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From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: vax/mac
Date: 31 Oct 1994 14:32:27 GMT
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In article <391b4j$o3h@rebecca.albany.edu> baciewj@albnyvms.bitnet writes:
> I have two problems:
> I have set parity,handshake,flow and duplex at both ends as follows:
> parity space
> duplex full
> flow xon/xoff
> handshake none
> but I cannot upload! Downloads are great! but I get massive retries until
> it dies. I have 0.991(190) on the mac and they are running 5A(188) on
> the vax.Any thoughts?
> 
It could be any number of things, most likely a flow control problem.  We
have discussed this numerous times.  Make sure that the most effective
means of flow control is enabled at every point along the communication path.

Evidently you are using end-to-end Xon/Xoff (software) flow control, which
is often the best you can do when VMS is on the other end.  But if you are
entering VMS through a terminal server, you might do better with hardware
flow control (RTS/CTS) if your modem supports, and if the remote modem does
too, and so does the terminal server, AND it is enabled in all those places
and in Mac Kermit too.  Read ckmker.bwr for instructions.

Also, be sure to tell VMS to SET TERM /TTSYNC /HOSTSYNC.  Also, have the
VMS system manager read the CKVINS.DOC file, which includes instructions
regarding VMS SYSGEN parameters, buffer allocation, privileges and quotas,
etc.

> Also what doe one name the init file on the mac? Ckermit.ini? and does
> mackermit pick it up like mskermit does?
> 
You should be able to Open the initialization file from Kermit and then
Save it, which will make it into a Kermit document.  After that, clicking
on it should start Kermit and have it execute the commands.

- Frank

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Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:

> > Also what doe one name the init file on the mac? Ckermit.ini? and does
> > mackermit pick it up like mskermit does?
> > 
> You should be able to Open the initialization file from Kermit and then
> Save it, which will make it into a Kermit document.  After that, clicking
> on it should start Kermit and have it execute the commands.

is there any way to have the terminal settings _and_ the initialization 
commands load at the same time? it seems you can start up mackermit by
clicking on either the commands or settings files, but then have to load
the other from in the program itself. is there perhaps a command that can be
included in the init file that will automatically load the settings?

B*B,
-Smoke.

-- bye!  :) -- pgp2 key available - just ask. or finger cdl0@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu

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From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse)
Subject: Re: ANSI (Was: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready)
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In <392u8h$hvr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Frank da Cruz writes:

> In article <CyID9G.HFK@echelon.nl> kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) writes:
>> (...) would it be very hard to also implements the 'SCO console' emulation,
>> a.k.a. SCO-ANSI?

> I believe this is basically the current ANSI screen handling, but with the
> keyboard handled differently -- instead of transmitting the characters
> associated with the keys, the scan codes are transmitted.

Scan codes are optional (settable with stty for scan-code terminals). In 
Ascii-mode the function keys send escape sequences. F1 sends ESC[M, 
shift-F1 sends ESC[Y etc. Screen handling is PC-Ansi/vt100-like, except for
scrolling, coloring, special things like 'send-screen-to-host'. 

> To the best of my knowledge, this is used only for communicating with the
> SCO console driver.  True?

SCO ansi can be used via the serial driver as well, by using the 'ansi' 
termcap/terminfo entries. Quite a few terminal-emulation packages have a
sco-ansi option now (James River's Ice-ten, for example), which makes it
the emulation of choice with these programs.

-- 
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                                              |
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PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands  | fax:   +31 (0)53 337 415

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I am looking for a windows versoin of Kermit.  Does such a thing even exist?  A
nd if it does, does anyone know where I can find it?
 
 
 

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From: robert@gar.no (Robert Andersson)
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Subject: 7-bit access to BBS'es.  Was: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready
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In <392um9$ik7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>I am confident that BBSs are completely unconcerned with both 7-bit access
>and with character sets.  The entire premise of the BBS world is that you
>have a totally transparent 8-bit communications link, and there is only
>one character set in the world: code page 437.
>Can anybody prove me wrong?  Is there a BBS anywhere in the world that is
>designed to allow 7-bit access, or that supports different character sets,
>but still expects the "ANSI" terminal type?  I would like to think so, but
>I am not hopeful.

You're being overly pessimistic.  Below is a screen snapshot from the
character set configuration in the BBS system we run here.  This BBS is also
programmed to support both 8bit-none and 7bit-even parity, with detection
being done automatically at logon time.  All while running in "ANSI" BBS
emulation mode.  The same BBS software runs at a few hundred sites around
the world, with most installations in Norway and Finland.

Which character set are you using (type ? for help): ?

Character sets: look at these characters...
      1:[   2:]   3:   4:A   5:#   6:^   7:{

1) If 1 is a left square bracket then
   1a) If 3 is a japanese Yen sign (capital Y) you have     IBM
   1b) If 3 is a norwegian OE then you are using            IBN
   1c) If 3 is a small u with an accent you are an Apple    MAC
   1d) If 4 is a capital A with an accent then you have     ISO
   1e) If 5 is a number sign (double cross) you have        US7
   1f) If 5 is a pounds sign then you are in                UK7
2) If 1 is a capital A with two dots on it then
   2a) If 2 is a U with two dots on it then you have        GE7
   2b) If 2 is a A with a ring over it then you are using   SF7
3) If 1 is a capital AE sign then
   3a) If 6 is a U with two dots on it then you are using   DE7
   3b) If 6 is a caret (hat, circumflex accent) then it's   NO7
4) If 1 is a degree sign then
   4a) If 7 is a small e with an accent then you have       FR7
   4b) If 7 is a small a with an accent then you have       IT7
5) If 1 is an upside exclamation mark then you have         SP7

Regards, Robert.
-- 
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From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <17060C991S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu>
MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes:
> I am looking for a windows versoin of Kermit.  Does such a thing even
> exist?  And if it does, does anyone know where I can find it?
>  
The only recommended and supported Kermit program for Windows is MS-DOS
Kermit; current version 3.13, with 3.14 in Beta test.  It is not a native
Windows program, but it works fine in an Enhanced-mode window.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary
mode, file mstibm.zip for 3.14-Beta.

- Frank

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From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <CyJr9y.3CA@echelon.nl> kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) writes:
> Scan codes are optional (settable with stty for scan-code terminals). In 
> Ascii-mode the function keys send escape sequences. F1 sends ESC[M, 
> shift-F1 sends ESC[Y etc. Screen handling is PC-Ansi/vt100-like, except for
> scrolling, coloring, special things like 'send-screen-to-host'. 
> 
You can make MS-DOS Kermit send anything you want with SET KEY, so at least
the keyboard part is user programmable.  I don't know what you mean by
scrolling and coloring -- Kermit already does those things.  Send-screen-to-
host is an unacceptable security risk.

I don't think adding this kind of emulation would serve any particularly
pressing need, since SCO has lots of termcaps -- just use a different one,
like VT100, VT320, etc.

- Frank

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From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD  
DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) writes:
> Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
> is there any way to have the terminal settings _and_ the initialization 
> commands load at the same time? it seems you can start up mackermit by
> clicking on either the commands or settings files, but then have to load
> the other from in the program itself. is there perhaps a command that can
> be included in the init file that will automatically load the settings?
> 
Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing.

Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it, and unless
we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a new volunteer comes
forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh communications programming, there
will not be much movement in this area.  Prospects in both areas, at present,
are dim.

Sorry, I wish I had better news.

- Frank

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From: drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
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Subject: Receiving files "automatically"
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I'd like to know if there's any way that I can get (MS-)Kermit to
receive a file "automatically" when the remote end runs a Kermit that
is attempting to send a file.  As far as I can tell, right now once I
start the remote Kermit sending, I have to get out of CONNECT, and
then manually issue a RECEIVE command, then reconnect.  This seems
quite pointless, so probably there is a way to make it all happen
automatically.  But I haven't been able to find it in the
documentation.

Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command?
So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing
ATDT to the modem.

And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation?  Or is
the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books?

Dale

Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu
--
Does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell?

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From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically"
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In article <DRW.94Nov1095927@runge.mit.edu> drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R.  
Worley) writes:
> I'd like to know if there's any way that I can get (MS-)Kermit to
> receive a file "automatically" when the remote end runs a Kermit that
> is attempting to send a file.  As far as I can tell, right now once I
> start the remote Kermit sending, I have to get out of CONNECT, and
> then manually issue a RECEIVE command, then reconnect.  This seems
> quite pointless, so probably there is a way to make it all happen
> automatically.  But I haven't been able to find it in the
> documentation.
> 
Yes, there is a way.  Please read about the APC command in the KERMIT.UPD
file.

> Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command?
> So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing
> ATDT to the modem.
> 
Use the DIAL macros and dialing directory that come with MS-DOS Kermit.
Read about them in the same KERMIT.UPD file.

The DIAL macro does not CONNECT automatically.  This is so it can be
imbedded in other macros.  If you want to DIAL and CONNECT in a single
operation, define a macro to do this:

  define online dial \%1, connect

> And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation?  Or is
> the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books?
> 
Somebody else please respond to this one.

> 
> Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu
> --
> Does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell?

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Dear Netbeings,
  I have a wonderful relationship with MS-dos kermit.  apart from dos,
the package is fine.  I'd like to figure out how to set the video such
that I can use one of the other modes, like 50 lines per screen, etc.
Everything else is ok, but i'm lusting for more of the page like I can
get on my Decterms in Motif.

Jim

         /^^^\   \ /   Jim Agnew         | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU  (Internet)
        /      >  ||   Neurosurgery,     | AGNEW@VCUVAX        (Bitnet)
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From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu> agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave  
Surfer) writes:
> Dear Netbeings,
>   I have a wonderful relationship with MS-dos kermit.  apart from dos,
> the package is fine.  I'd like to figure out how to set the video such
> that I can use one of the other modes, like 50 lines per screen, etc.
> Everything else is ok, but i'm lusting for more of the page like I can
> get on my Decterms in Motif.
> 
Just put the video adapter in the desired mode before starting Kermit.
Kermit should automatically sense the number of screen lines -- not
foolproof, but it usually works (video adapter details vary).

This is usually done with a MODE command, like MODE CO80,55 or whatever.

- Frank
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From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Henrik Graversen <hsgraver@inet.uni-c.dk> wrote:
> Is there a way to control the speed of the REPLAY command
> in MS Kermit 3.12?  Or maybe even a way to use pagedown, pageup, etc.?
> 
> When I have logged a session to session.log and and want to take a look
> at the log-file it is far from easy to read it as it scrolls by at 100
> mph.
> 
There are some tricks.

The best trick is to get a more up-to-date version of Kermit (3.13 or 3.14
Beta), which allows *huge* rollback buffers if you put them in Expanded
Memory (EMS) via the new command SET TERMINAL EXPANDED-MEMORY ON.  Then
you can use SET TERM ROLLBACK <number> to allocate as many as 8000
rollback screens.  NOTE: This requires that you have a big physical memory
(more than 2MB or more) and that you use an expanded memory manager to
configure a lot of EMS.  See the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with version
3.13 or 3.14.

Then you can REPLAY the log file and it will fly past at 100 miles per
hour.  But after that you can use Home, PgUp, PgDn, Ctrl-PgUp, Ctrl-PgDn,
and End to view it at your leisure.  (You can also use new keyboard verbs
to scroll right and left, in case the virtual screen is wider than the
physical screen).

The second trick would be to transfer the log file to the host and then
either run it through something like "more" (not great, since it
interferes with the display), or write a little utility program that looks
for special "signs" in the log (which you would insert with an editor), at
which it should pause until you press a key.

For MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory
kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip.

- Frank

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I'm searching for Kermit on Stratus VOS.
I cannot find any mention of it at kermit.columbia.edu.

Can someone tell me where to find it if it exists?

Thanks a lot.


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In article <mpomey.1.0012AAB0@primenet.com> mpomey@primenet.com (Morris  
Pomey) writes:
> I'm searching for Kermit on Stratus VOS.
> I cannot find any mention of it at kermit.columbia.edu.
> 
C-Kermit 5A(190) is a full-featured version of C-Kermit for Stratus
VOS.  The files are in the kermit/test/text and kermit/test/bin
directories.  The VOS-specific files have names that start with "ckl".

This is a brand-new addition; prior to this, we did not have a Kermit
program for Stratus VOS.

- Frank

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From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler)
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Kermit-370 version 4.3.1 is now in beta testing for all the major variants
(CMS, TSO, MUSIC, and CICS).  4.3.1 supports the same new protocol features
(RESEND and communication of TEXT/BIN types) being introduced with the
test versions of MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, as well as some system-
specific updates, such as using the transmitted time tag for files uploaded
to CMS or CICS, and support for the new expanded file system in MUSIC.
People who are interested in trying out the test version can find the
updates in files ik*.nup in kermit/b.  Please drop me a line if you plan
to do some testing, so that I'll know who's doing what.  Thanks.

			John Chandler <jchbn@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu>

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From: long@vax.ox.ac.uk (NEIL J LONG)
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I have just been playing with a Hayes ACCURA 14.4 and Ms-Kermit 3.13 and
3.14Beta-10.

Could someone explain how to get the best out of it. I have been able to
connect with speeds set to 14400 to a v32bis dial in service.

Why does ver 3.14 get in to the situation where it sends AT commands at the
rate of 1 per 8 seconds for each A...........T......... 
if I send them with RTS/CTS set but not if flow is none or XON/XOFF.

I tried the ultra144 script and that a) took forever and b) gave me a bizarre
screen. Most of the codes seemed reasonable. 

3.13 doesn't behave this way (not using the scripts and rts/cts doesn't have
this effect).

Could someone email me a suitable mod to any of the scripts which they know
will work with it - I can fool around forever at this rate as the scripts all
tend to set rts/cts before sending the codes.

I am assuming that the hardware is fine since it works for 3.13 and the
'bundled' smartcom LE for Windows (euggh). Hate Windows.

Thanks
Neil

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From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos)
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In article <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu>,
Brainwave Surfer <agnew@gems.vcu.edu> wrote:
:Dear Netbeings,
:  I have a wonderful relationship with MS-dos kermit.  apart from dos,
:the package is fine.  I'd like to figure out how to set the video such
:that I can use one of the other modes, like 50 lines per screen, etc.
:Everything else is ok, but i'm lusting for more of the page like I can
:get on my Decterms in Motif.
:
:Jim

[sig deleted]

Okay, here's what you need to do on both ends of the connection.

PC--make sure you've got either an EGA card (for 43 line mode) or a VGA
    card (for 50 line mode).  Some cards support some funky things like
    60 lines under some Super-VGA setting or another.
    make sure you load an ANSI driver like ansi.sys or nnansi.sys
    issue the following mode command `mode con: lines=50'.
    start kermit.

UNIX-connect to host.
     issue an eval `tset -sQI <your-term-emulation>` command to set the
     TERM and TERMCAP environment variables.  For example eval `tset
     -sQI vt220` evaluates and sets the variables for vt220 term.  Make
     sure that you put in the ``I'' argument.  If you don't, then
     you'll see your screen cut in half and only the first 25 lines
     being drawn on.  If this happens, then you'll have to go to the
     kermit command line and do a `ru mode con: lines=50' command to
     reset your local terminal.
     Issue the `stty rows 49' command to set the number of rows (or
     `stty rows 50' if you don't use the status line at the bottom of
     the screen), followed by a `reset' command.

That should do it.  I don't know how to do this if you're connecting to
other types of host.  I think that for IBM's it doesn't make a
difference if they're in fullscreen mode, then they'll use all of the
available lines.  As for other types of hosts, your mileage may vary.

        --Jerry

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Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:

: > And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation?  Or is
: > the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books?
: > 
: Somebody else please respond to this one.

;-)

My humble opinion is that the book is great and that the online documentation
(the files KERMIT.HLP, KERMIT.UPD and KERMIT.BWR) are very usefull and better
than the 'online documentation' found with some other 'free/share/other-ware'
programs.

The mentioned files have kept me from sending in many questions and
bug-reports to the kermit people because the answer to my questions were
there. So even without the book the documentation is there and answers most
questions you might have.

--
Xander.

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From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut)
Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically"
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In article <DRW.94Nov1095927@runge.mit.edu> drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes:
>I'd like to know if there's any way that I can get (MS-)Kermit to
>receive a file "automatically" when the remote end runs a Kermit that
>is attempting to send a file.  As far as I can tell, right now once I
>start the remote Kermit sending, I have to get out of CONNECT, and
>then manually issue a RECEIVE command, then reconnect.  This seems
>quite pointless, so probably there is a way to make it all happen
>automatically.  But I haven't been able to find it in the
>documentation.

What version of Kermit are you running?  Latest beta test is 3.14, revision
10, available at kermit.columbia.edu under the directory:
/kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip

To automatically send/receive files via Kermit, please check out the
KERMIT.UPD file that comes with the beta.  It explains how to engage
autoupload/download with Kermit.  

NOTE: MS-Kermit must be version 3.14, and C-Kermit (assuming that is
what is on the host side) must be version 190.  

>Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command?
>So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing
>ATDT to the modem.

To dial, type "dial xxx-xxxx" or edit the DIALUPS.TXT file and add
the phone number you wish to dial in the format specified in that file.

If I'm not mistaken, if you use the "dial" macro, it will connect
you.  Otherwise, if you are a purist and want to do ATDT before the
phone numbers, then put a CONNECT at the bottom of your MSCUSTOM.INI.

>And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation?  

It comes with a *lot* of documentation.  The KERMIT.BWR and KERMIT.UPD
file are both sets of documentation.  If you issue a HELP at the Kermit
prompt, you get more information.  While you are typing in a comment,
but you are not sure what to type in next, press a ?, and you will
magically get help for that command.

Indeed, you can learn almost everything there is to know about MS-Kermit,
programming scripts, macros, etc. (which aren't really all that hard!)
simply by using the information provided with the Kermit distribution.

>Or is the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books?

Indeed - it is a rumour.  Is it true?  No.


Ken
kudut@ritz.mordor.com
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In order to make my modem connect properly to one site, I have to set
an internal register in my modem.  I would like this to be done
automatically in my .kermrc. Is there a way to send commands to my
modem? I didn't see a command listed in the docs which would do this.
The way I do it now is to manually type `c' to connect to the modem
and then type "ATS28=255" which sets the necessary register.

Thanks for any suggestions,

Barry
tolnas@utk.edu

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <TOLNAS.94Nov1135606@microsys3.engr.utk.edu>,
Barry Tolnas <tolnas@microsys3.engr.utk.edu> wrote:
>
>In order to make my modem connect properly to one site, I have to set
>an internal register in my modem.  I would like this to be done
>automatically in my .kermrc. Is there a way to send commands to my
>modem? I didn't see a command listed in the docs which would do this.
>The way I do it now is to manually type `c' to connect to the modem
>and then type "ATS28=255" which sets the necessary register.
>

The best way to handle this is to use the built in dial commands:

you can either use "set dial init \13ATS28=255\13" or
"set dial dial-command \13ATS28=255DT%s\13"

move info about the dial commands in "Using C-Kermit"

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip 

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From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX)
Date: 1 Nov 1994 18:04:44 -0500
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In article <TOLNAS.94Nov1135606@microsys3.engr.utk.edu>,
Barry Tolnas <tolnas@microsys3.engr.utk.edu> wrote:
:
:In order to make my modem connect properly to one site, I have to set
:an internal register in my modem.  I would like this to be done
:automatically in my .kermrc. Is there a way to send commands to my
:modem? I didn't see a command listed in the docs which would do this.
:The way I do it now is to manually type `c' to connect to the modem
:and then type "ATS28=255" which sets the necessary register.
:
:Thanks for any suggestions,
:
:Barry
:tolnas@utk.edu

[.sig deleted]

Yeah, just put the line `output ats28=255' in your .mykermit file. 
This is documented in the book and and you can see examples of it in
any of the dialing scripts...

        --Jerry

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From: am856@YFN.YSU.EDU (Michael DeCosta III)
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This is not a prod.

I am just curious on how to keep up on the latest Beta releases
for MSKERMIT 3.14 for non-PC clones?

Basically I stumbled across the one for the Z100 by posting here
and getting responses that told me one was available.

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From: vb1890@cs.nyu.edu (Victor Boyko)
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Hello!

There seems to be a problem with cyrillic in Kermit (invoked by
command cyrillic). The Russian letters for 's' and 'e' produce the
same character 'c'. This is quite inconvenient. Also, if I use both
emacsker.scr and koi8.ini it complains that there is not enough memory
for key definitions and discards my emacs key bindings.

Victor


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Hi,

Im looking for a way to perform file transfer via the Zmodem utilities
while working in kermit.

Examples will be appreciates.

          Thanks in advance,

               Itamar


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From: fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier)
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Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever"
you are using upon startup?

Fast Cart
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
> You should be able to Open the initialization file from Kermit and then
> Save it, which will make it into a Kermit document.  After that, clicking
> on it should start Kermit and have it execute the commands.

hmm.... i have another question. i tried this myself and everything seemed to 
work ok until i opened up mackermit by clicking on the kermit document (which
didn't have an icon...). i got a warning saying that this document had _not_
been created by mackermit (it had! it said KR09 in the Get Info window...) 
and i had to choose to open it with mackermit manually. then, as soon as it
had opened i got an error message - something to the effect of "application 
'mackermit' has unexpectedly quit due to unknown error number 28". what am i 
doing wrong?

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From: tolnas@sun1.engr.utk.edu (Barry Tolnas)
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In article <FASTCART.94Nov2020153@marinara.MIT.EDU> fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) writes:

>   Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever"
>   you are using upon startup?
>   
>   Fast Cart

set line /dev/whatever


Barry

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From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu ()
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Can anyone tell me the source of information on writing scripts for
kermit.  I would like to automaticly upload and download Mail from my
pc to my Unix server.  It would be nice if the script could be set to
run on startup.
Kermit is the only modem transfer program and protical on my
university server.  It is not the program I normaly use, but appears
to havefeatures that others do not. I would like to learn more about
it. 
 Is it possible to make the kermit transfer rate faster.  I have a
14.4 modem.  My university runs a 9600 line. My other software will
transfer around 1500 using zmodem.  If I get Kermit to run at 260, I
am lucky.  What can I do to make my faster.  Thank you to all who may
respond
ATZ



 

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From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura)
Subject: Echoing modem responses
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How does one echo modem responses from a kermit script?

-- 
jzero@netcom.com

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From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <jzeroCynAvC.IB8@netcom.com> jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura)  
writes:
> How does one echo modem responses from a kermit script?
> 
Depending on which Kermit version you have, the command is:

  SET TAKE ECHO ON
  SET TAKE-ECHO ON

etc.  If you are using C-Kermit 5A, the command you really want is:

  SET DIAL DISPLAY ON

MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts already display all the interactions with
the modem.

Please read the appropriate manuals, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using
C-Kermit" for complete details.

- Frank

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In article <398773$5am@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>  
br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () writes:
> Can anyone tell me the source of information on writing scripts for
> kermit.  I would like to automaticly upload and download Mail from my
> pc to my Unix server.  It would be nice if the script could be set to
> run on startup.
> Kermit is the only modem transfer program and protical on my
> university server.  It is not the program I normaly use, but appears
> to havefeatures that others do not. I would like to learn more about
> it. 
>
Information on manuals enclosed below.

>  Is it possible to make the kermit transfer rate faster.  I have a
> 14.4 modem.  My university runs a 9600 line. My other software will
> transfer around 1500 using zmodem.  If I get Kermit to run at 260, I
> am lucky.  What can I do to make my faster.  Thank you to all who may
> respond
>  
Yes, Kermit will do 1500, 1600 or higher if you use long packets, sliding
windows, and control-character unprefixing.  Also enable compression and
error correction in the modem, and use hardware flow control (our dialing
scripts do this for you automatically).  For details about long packets and
sliding windows, read the manual(s).  Control-character unprefixing is a
relatively recent addition, documented in the appropriate "update" file,
KERMIT.UPD (MS-DOS Kermit) or ckcker.upd (C-Kermit).

                           KERMIT BOOK LIST

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MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and
compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in:

    Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital
    Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
    1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
    IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.  In computer
    and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from
    Digital Press.

A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany
    (1991), 414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for
    the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette,
    including German- language help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W.
    Selke.  ISBN 3-88229-006-4.

And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme
    edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.
    Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2,
    and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean
    Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.

There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the
NEC PC9801:

    Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today
    Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages.
    ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E.

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C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2,
AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is
documented in:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital
    Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN
    1-55558-108-0.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
    Columbia University or from Digital Press.

A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und
    Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).  ISBN
    3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.

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The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book,
which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data
communications, and using Kermit:

    Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press /
    Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN
    0-932376-88-6.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
    Columbia University or from Digital Press.

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Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating
systems is available from Columbia University.  Contact Columbia for a
free Kermit software catalog.


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                                 HOW TO ORDER

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ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS:

   1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from the publisher,
      Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann with MasterCard, Visa, or
      American Express:

          +1 800 366-2665     (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada)
          +44 993 58521       (Rushden, England office for Europe)
          +61 2 372-5511      (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ)
          +65 220-3684        (Singapore office for Asia)

   2. From Columbia University:

          Kermit Development and Distribution
          Columbia University Academic Information Systems
          612 West 115th Street
          New York, NY  10025  USA
          Tel.  +1 212 854-3703
          Fax.  +1 212 663-8202
          E-Mail: kermit@columbia.edu

      Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Add $5 US for shipping
      outside of North America.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or
      Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for
      checks not drawn on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not
      include sales tax.  Quantity discounts are available.
      Single-copy US prices (in US dollars):

          Using MS-DOS Kermit  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95
          Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95
          Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . .$ 29.95
          All three  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 79.95

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GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS:

        MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: DM 69,00
        C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . DM 90,00

        Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG
        Helstorfer Strasse 7
        D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY
        Tel.  +49 (05 11) 53 52-0
        Fax.  +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29

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FRENCH:  Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi:  . . . . . . . . . . .  FF 495,00

        Heinz Schiefer & Cie.
        45 rue Henri de Regnier
        F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE
        Tel.  +33 39 53 95 26
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We use Kermit 3.13 with a VAX-ALPHA HOST application on a Banyan Network (TCP/IP
protocol). The application can control the network printer by means of the 'printer controller'
sequences (CSI 5 i to turn the hardcopy printer on and CSI 4 i to turn it off again). Of course
Kermit will do the trick, however we would like to have the ability of printing in compressed
mode (or better: to select a printer driver like HP, IBM etc) because most of the files we print
are 132 columns width and we like to print it on a network printer. By the way it is of course
not possible to change the printer setting by the well-known printer switchboard.
Can anybody give me a suggestion on how to tackle this problem?

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From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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We have added the following words to the KERMIT.UPD file, but we do
not have any verification that these items actually work with MS-DOS
Kermit 3.14.  Could somebody -- most likely in Germany or Austria --
with an ISDN interface and a CAPI driver and an ISDN phone please check
and report and/or clarify?  Thanks!

Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN) boards serve ISDN digital
telephones, which provide (among other things) 64Kbps data transmission.
ISDN boards are not serial boards, and therefore require special drivers.
There is a Common Application Programming Interface (CAPI) for ISDN
boards, defined by German Telecom and German ISDN manufacturers.  CAPI
drivers are supplied by ISDN board manufacturers.  MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 does
not support CAPI directly, but shims exist that allow Kermit to be used
with ISDN anyway, by disguising CAPI as the Fossil, Int 14, or Packet
Driver interface, all of which are supported by Kermit.  Examples:

 . cFos is a shareware fossil driver for CAPI, written by Martin Winkler &
   Christoph Lueders of Bonn, Germany.  It is available via anonymous ftp
   from ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/network/isdn/cfos, or by dialup to the
   Zaphods BBS in Bonn: +49 228 9111041.  It supports both the Fossil and
   Int 14 interfaces, and presents ISDN controls in the form of Hayes-like
   AT commands.

 . PAPI is free software, GNU Public License, providing a SLIP-class
   packet driver interface to a CAPI driver, written by Dietmar Friede,
   Friede Consulting, Munich (Muenchen), German <capi@friede.de>.
   Available via ftpmail to ftp.germany.eu.net (send email to
   archive-server@germany.eu.net containing the word "help"), or by ftp
   directly from ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de.

- Frank

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In article <FASTCART.94Nov2020153@marinara.mit.edu>,
Arcell B. Frazier <fastcart@MIT.EDU> wrote:
>Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever"
>you are using upon startup?

I'm not sure I'm clear on your requirements -- does /dev/tty do what you want?

		--Ken Pizzini

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Note the \v(ttyfd)  variable.  Is that what you are talking about?

Or are you just talking about "set line /dev/ttyp01" type commands?
If so, just dump it into your .kermrc

--------------------------- my .kermrc --------------------------------
set local off 
set flow rts
set buffer 50000 50000
set win 0
set send pac 4096
set rec pac 4096
set window 3 
set block 1
set file type bi
define rz !rz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sz !sz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sb !sb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define rb !rb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sx !sx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define rx !rx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)

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With Kermit 3.14 does terminal emulation get turned off when
running a script with TAKE?  I would like to use a script to
connect me to a VAX server that handles TCP/IP connections,
but I can't find a way to have Kermit respond back with the
proper primary DA response.  It just hangs with a "c" on the
screen.  (Primary DA request is CSI [ c).

I would appreciate help with this.

Thanks.

-Tom





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In article <3996di$4je@eng106.PSF.GE.COM> tcmayo@eng106.PSF.GE.COM (Tom Mayo)  
writes:
> With Kermit 3.14 does terminal emulation get turned off when
> running a script with TAKE? 
>
As the lawyers say, "asked and answered".  About once per day on this
newsgroup.  Again:

  If the terminal emulator is active, the command parser is not active.
  If the command parser is active, the terminal emulator is not active.

You would not want it any other way, at least not if you cared about
speed in the terminal emulator.

> I would like to use a script to
> connect me to a VAX server that handles TCP/IP connections,
> but I can't find a way to have Kermit respond back with the
> proper primary DA response.  It just hangs with a "c" on the
> screen.  (Primary DA request is CSI [ c).
> 
Just read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, section
18, Script Programming.

- Frank

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4th Dimension (4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il) wrote:
: Hi,

: Im looking for a way to perform file transfer via the Zmodem utilities
: while working in kermit.

: Examples For UNIX platforms will be appreciates.

:           Thanks in advance,

:                Itamar


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4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes:
>Im looking for a way to perform file transfer via the Zmodem utilities
>while working in kermit.
>
>Examples will be appreciates.

;
;Thanks to Jason Merrill <jmerrill@jarthur.claremont.edu> for this
;define to add zmodem protocol transfers. Add it to your mskermit.ini.
define rz run dsz F ha cts est 0 14400 rz \%1 \%2,
define sz run dsz F ha both est 0 14400 pB4096 sz \%1 \%2,
define t run dsz F ha cts est 0 14400 t \%1 \%2,

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My friend and I just discovered the world of 132-column mode, and we
have a few questions for all who are familiar with its numerous
wonders.

1.  My friend wants to define a key to switch between the modes while
in terminal emulation mode, but we couldn't find a verb that does
this.  Is using verbs the only way?  Also, we'd like to know if
there's a way to define a key to escape back to command mode and
execute a Kermit command (of any kind).

2.  I'm running DOS Kermit under OS/2 in a full-screen DOS session.
When I use 132-column mode, everything works fine until I switch back
to the desktop, at which time the video proceeds to get completely
screwed up.  The only way to save things is to go back to Kermit and
do an Alt-X (which puts the screen back in 80 column-mode) and then go
back to the desktop (which is still screwed up) and activate a screen
saver or something to refresh the screen.

3.  Also, Kermit's documentation claims that it can auto-detect the
screen width requested by the host, but doesn't seem to.

Thanks,
Andy

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: 132-column Mode and MS-Kermit Verbs
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In article <CypL0A.1L1@physics.purdue.edu>, korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) writes:
> My friend and I just discovered the world of 132-column mode, and we
> have a few questions for all who are familiar with its numerous
> wonders.
> 
> 1.  My friend wants to define a key to switch between the modes while
> in terminal emulation mode, but we couldn't find a verb that does
> this.  Is using verbs the only way?  Also, we'd like to know if
> there's a way to define a key to escape back to command mode and
> execute a Kermit command (of any kind).

	Check the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" whose
details are given on the Kermit HELP screen and the *.UPD files issued
since then. You can assign a Kermit macro as the definition of a key. 
The macro can do anything you could say at the Kermit prompt, including 
issue SET TERM commands. Syntax is   SET KEY keycode {\Kmacroname}
and the \K must be inside the curly braces.
 
> 2.  I'm running DOS Kermit under OS/2 in a full-screen DOS session.
> When I use 132-column mode, everything works fine until I switch back
> to the desktop, at which time the video proceeds to get completely
> screwed up.  The only way to save things is to go back to Kermit and
> do an Alt-X (which puts the screen back in 80 column-mode) and then go
> back to the desktop (which is still screwed up) and activate a screen
> saver or something to refresh the screen.

	It's between OS/2 and your video driver and your monitor.
Please remember that there is no standard on 132 column video modes so
that OS/2 has no idea of what state the display is in and hence little
idea of what to do about it. Better video drivers could help more,
however.
 
> 3.  Also, Kermit's documentation claims that it can auto-detect the
> screen width requested by the host, but doesn't seem to.

	Maybe you mean the opposite here. Hosts can request 80 or 132
columns from VTxxx terminals, nothing more. Kermit obeys those requests.
Perhaps you mean that Kermit can tell the host its current screen size
upon request, which is true. There is no "auto-detect" in this arrangement,
by either host or terminal emulator. Kermit can also report screen size
in Telnet Options packets, if the host agrees to do so.
	Joe D.

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From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith)
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Subject: Kermit and PCMCIA Cards
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Can anyone offer any general advice on getting Kermit to work with
PCMCIA cards?  They are not explicitly mentioned in the beware file
but they seem to be trouble.  Is it just that the people I've met
don't have their card installed properly?  Is there something about
these beasts that make them nastier to support than an internal modem?

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From: uclyjjd@ucl.ac.uk (Julian Daley)
Subject: Connection timer is MS-Kermit ?
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Qmodem has a clock on the status line which shows time of day if
off-line and the connection time when on-line.  

Is there any way to get a similar feature with MS-Kermit 3.13 ?  Any
sort of timer would do, for instance the 'dial' command could be 
pathched to reset the timer.

This feature is very useful for those of us who have to pay our
'phone bills !

Julian.
--
        _____________________________________________________
       | Julian Daley,                     j.daley@ucl.ac.uk |
       | Department Clinical Physics, Guys Hospital, London. |
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: jason@idiom.com (Jason Venner)
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Subject: C Kermit and meta keys
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I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts.

Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key.
Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through
to the remote side?

Thanks -- Jason

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From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini)
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In article <JASON.94Nov3134526@idiom.com>,
Jason Venner <jason@idiom.com> wrote:
>I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts.
>
>Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key.
>Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through
>to the remote side?

set term byte 8

		--Ken Pizzini

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <39c0c0$g3a@knot.queensu.ca>, mike@ccs.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) writes:
> Can anyone offer any general advice on getting Kermit to work with
> PCMCIA cards?  They are not explicitly mentioned in the beware file
> but they seem to be trouble.  Is it just that the people I've met
> don't have their card installed properly?  Is there something about
> these beasts that make them nastier to support than an internal modem?
----------
	No, those little guys aren't specifically mentioned because we
lack any useful information to offer (translation: I have no laptop. $$$)
Folks will have to struggle to load the proper mysterious drivers to handle 
the plug-in card and hope for the best.
        I can imagine anything requiring user intervention will cause
difficulties to tech support persons, but the proper channel for help with 
such cards is probably the card mfr or the laptop maker. The task is to
make the card look like a proper serial port (or Ethernet adapter, etc)
and that's the purpose of those drivers. Only afterward does Kermit come 
into the picture.
	Joe D.

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In article <JASON.94Nov3134526@idiom.com>, jason@idiom.com (Jason Venner) writes:
> 
> I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts.
> 
> Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key.
> Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through
> to the remote side?
> 
> Thanks -- Jason
---------
	There isn't such a key. Perhaps you are still thinking of how
Emacs chooses to interpret the local keyboard. Hint: ALT sends nothing,
it only modifies other keypresses, and the modification has nothing at
all to do with adding a high bit. Ditto Control and Shift. Emacs is
wierd this way.
	Joe D.

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In article <1994Nov4.133259.43506@ucl.ac.uk>, uclyjjd@ucl.ac.uk (Julian Daley) writes:
> Qmodem has a clock on the status line which shows time of day if
> off-line and the connection time when on-line.  
> 
> Is there any way to get a similar feature with MS-Kermit 3.13 ?  Any
> sort of timer would do, for instance the 'dial' command could be 
> pathched to reset the timer.
> 
> This feature is very useful for those of us who have to pay our
> 'phone bills !
-------
	No timer, thanks. Suggest you use the portable, low maintainence,
compact, arm mounted (or even the table top model) time mechanism.
        Joe D.

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Help! We have several dozen users now familiar with ProComm Plus on PCs,
and they routinely transfer ASCII and binary files with a PRIME computer.
Our TMS-3 Renex communication controller will only recognize M71, but our 
internal kermit protocol only works with N81. We would like to be able to
set our ProComm Pluses to enable this transfer. Email responses would be
perfectly welcome, in preference to Usenet.


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From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura)
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fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

| In article <jzeroCynAvC.IB8@netcom.com> jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura)  
| writes:
| > How does one echo modem responses from a kermit script?
| > 
| Depending on which Kermit version you have, the command is:

|   SET TAKE ECHO ON
|   SET TAKE-ECHO ON

| etc.  If you are using C-Kermit 5A, the command you really want is:

|   SET DIAL DISPLAY ON

| MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts already display all the interactions with
| the modem.

| Please read the appropriate manuals, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using
| C-Kermit" for complete details.

| - Frank

	Thanks.

	I have C-Kermit 5A.  I also have your book "Using C-Kermit".
	(Very good book.)

	Jim.

	
-- 
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From: stickler@tequesta.gate.net (Patrick Stickler)
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Subject: UNIX C-Kermit and 14.4 modem, Help!
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I'm trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit 5A(162) ALPHA, 3 Nov 90, SUNOS 4.0, BSD)
with a 14.4 V42.bis/MNP5 modem, but the SET SPEED command does not specify
a 14400 baud rate, and the speed between the host and modem should in any
case be at least 57600 bps or faster to fully allow maximum V42.bis 
throughput.

Could someone suggest a possible solution, or perhaps some other UNIX
terminal emulator that supports kermit at fast speeds?

Any help will be greately appreciated.

Thanks,

===============================================================================
  Patrick Stickler                             Information Group
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  stickler@.gate.net                           Orlando, Florida 32825 U.S.A.
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To: ravn@imada.ou.dk (Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen)
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	I've cobbled together a termcap entry for mskermit 3.13.  I'd
welcome any improvements to it.

--- cut here ---
K7|mskermit313|vt300|vt320|Kermit 3.13 emulation of vt320:\
        :am:da:db:es:hs:mi:ms:xn:xo:bs:pt:\
        :co#80:li#24:kn#3:\
        :AL=\E[%dL:DC=\E[%dP:DL=\E[%dM:DO=\E[%dB:IC=\E[%d@:\
        :LE=\E[%dD:RI=\E[%dC:UP=\E[%dA:ae=^O:al=\E[L:as=^N:\
        :cd=\E[J:ce=\E[K:cl=\E[;H\E[2J:cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:\
        :cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:ct=\E[3g:dc=\E[P:dl=\E[M:\
        :ds=\E[2$~\r\E[1$}\E[K\E[0$}\E[1$~:ei=\E[4l:fs=\E[0$}:\
        :ho=\E[H:im=\E[4h:\
        :is=\E[?1;3;5l\E[20l\E[?7h\E[12h\E[r\E[24;1H:k1=\EOP:\
        :k2=\EOQ:k3=\EOR:k4=\EOS:k6=\E[17~:k7=\E[18~:\
        :k8=\E[19~:k9=\E[20~:kb=\b:kd=\EOB:ke=\E[?1l\E>:\
        :kh=\E[H:kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:ks=\E[?1h\E=:ku=\EOA:l1=pf1:\
        :l2=pf2:l3=pf3:l4=pf4:nd=\E[C:r1=\E[?3l:\
        :r2=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h:rc=\E8:\
        :rf=/usr/lib/tabset/vt100:sc=\E7:se=\E[27m:so=\E[7m:\
        :sr=\EM:st=\EH:ts=\E[2$~\E[1$}\E[1;%dH:ue=\E[24m:\
        :up=\E[A:us=\E[4m:vb=\E[?5h\E[?5l:ve=\E[?25h:\
        :vi=\E[?25l:vs=\E[?25h:ko=dl,ho,al:
--- cut here ---

	I hope this helps.
--

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In article <DRW.94Nov1095927@runge.mit.edu>,
Dale R. Worley <drw@runge.mit.edu> wrote:
>Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command?
>So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing
>ATDT to the modem.

Yes, the "DIAL" macro, quite extensively documented in the text
files in the MSKERMIT .zip file.

>And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation?  Or is
>the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books?

They quite freely admit that the books help finance the KERMIT project.
And there's nothing wrong with that -- it's a wonderful free program,
which you can learn more about (and help support) by buying their books.

marshall

>Dale
>
>Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu
>--
>Does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell?


-- 
[Marshall G. Flax -- 718-256-3482 -- 8776 16th Ave #2, Brooklyn, NY 11214-5802]

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    I am trying to get kermit running on a DEC Alpha/OSF-1. I got a
kermit distribution from cc.watsun.columbia.edu, but it seems
like an old one, since the makefile doesn't mention Alphas anywhere,
and when I put it together by hand it doesn't seem to be able to connect
to my workstation's kermit (Ultrix on a Decstation). Does anyone have
kermit running on a DEC alpha, and if so, can you either email me a
compressed, uuencoded executable, or tell me where you got the source
distribution?  Please email me at mlevin@husc7.harvard.edu. Thanks.

Mike Levin

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Michael Levin (mlevin@scws4.harvard.edu) wrote:

:     I am trying to get kermit running on a DEC Alpha/OSF-1. I got a
: kermit distribution from cc.watsun.columbia.edu, but it seems
: like an old one, since the makefile doesn't mention Alphas anywhere,
: and when I put it together by hand it doesn't seem to be able to connect
: to my workstation's kermit (Ultrix on a Decstation). Does anyone have
: kermit running on a DEC alpha, and if so, can you either email me a
: compressed, uuencoded executable, or tell me where you got the source
: distribution?  Please email me at mlevin@husc7.harvard.edu. Thanks.

You can get the latest (still test) version of kermit from the following
URL:

ftp://kermit.columbia.edu:/kermit/test/cku190.tar.gz
ftp://kermit.columbia/edu:/kermit/test/cku190.tar.Z

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>In article <CypL0A.1L1@physics.purdue.edu>, korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) writes:
>> My friend and I just discovered the world of 132-column mode, and we
>> have a few questions for all who are familiar with its numerous
>> wonders.
>> 
>> 2.  I'm running DOS Kermit under OS/2 in a full-screen DOS session.
>> When I use 132-column mode, everything works fine until I switch back
>> to the desktop, at which time the video proceeds to get completely
>> screwed up.  The only way to save things is to go back to Kermit and
>> do an Alt-X (which puts the screen back in 80 column-mode) and then go
>> back to the desktop (which is still screwed up) and activate a screen
>> saver or something to refresh the screen.
>
>	It's between OS/2 and your video driver and your monitor.
>Please remember that there is no standard on 132 column video modes so
>that OS/2 has no idea of what state the display is in and hence little
>idea of what to do about it. Better video drivers could help more,
>however.


The problem is that by using 132 column mode you have put the display
hardware into a state which OS/2 does not understand.  Try the following:
Start a full screen DOS session.  Then execute the command "SVGA ON".
If the SVGA command cannot be found, change to the \OS2 directory of your
boot drive.  This command builds a table of each video mode so that OS/2
can safely restore switch back and forth when full screen programs directly
manipulate the screen size.

x
x
x
x
x
x


x
x
x
x
x

x

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip 

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From: isgtmb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Tom Bowden)
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fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>The only recommended and supported Kermit program for Windows is MS-DOS
>Kermit; current version 3.13, with 3.14 in Beta test.  It is not a native
>Windows program, but it works fine in an Enhanced-mode window.

>Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary
>mode, file mstibm.zip for 3.14-Beta.

PFMJI, but there is something I've wondered about MS-Kermit and Windows:  
Since you include a kermit.pif in the MS-Kermit package, why don't you 
include a kermit.ico?  The one in /kermit/a/wkkico.boo would do very nicely.

-- 
Tom Bowden in Atlanta
isgtmb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu


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In article <395stv$7f9@panix2.panix.com> mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) writes:
   Yes, the "DIAL" macro, quite extensively documented in the text
   files in the MSKERMIT .zip file.

It would have been more useful if you'd mentioned what the command is
("DO DIAL number") and what file it is documented in (KERMIT.UPD).
Saying that the documentation is somewhere in the Kermit directory is
almost useless -- MS-DOS doesn't come with a grep that can handle
wildcards.

Dale

Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu
--
He was the sort of guy who would lie awake at night wondering whether
"anal retentive" was hyphenated.

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From: johnp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (John Pezzano)
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Subject: Re: UNIX C-Kermit and 14.4 modem, Help!
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Patrick Stickler (stickler@news.gate.net) wrote:
: I'm trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit 5A(162) ALPHA, 3 Nov 90, SUNOS 4.0, BSD)
: with a 14.4 V42.bis/MNP5 modem, but the SET SPEED command does not specify
: a 14400 baud rate, and the speed between the host and modem should in any
: case be at least 57600 bps or faster to fully allow maximum V42.bis 
: throughput.

READ YOUR MODEM MANUAL. There is no such thing as a 14.4 speed between a
modem and the computer. Valid speeds are ... 9600, 19200, 38400, 57600 ...

The 14.4 is modem to modem only. The modem, if its DTE speed is fixed,
will handle the translation speeds between its effective modem to modem
connection speed and the speed you use to communicate to the computer.

You will probably get the same answer from your SUN tech support. And
they will know the fastest speed you can set the computer port to.
--
johnP
                                 John  Pezzano, HP NARC
				 Email: johnp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com


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From: phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions.
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In article <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM>, jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe
Smith) wrote:

>   >Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing.
>   >
>   >Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it, and unless
>   >we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a new volunteer comes
>   >forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh communications
programming, there
>   >will not be much movement in this area.  Prospects in both areas, at
present,
>   >are dim.
>   >

Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in cyberspace for a couple
years?  Why would anybody want to use kermit?  It's slow and error prone
plus a pain to use.

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From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <395qp6$167h@inca.gate.net> stickler@news.gate.net (Patrick  
Stickler) writes:
> I'm trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit 5A(162) ALPHA, 3 Nov 90, SUNOS 4.0,  
BSD)
> with a 14.4 V42.bis/MNP5 modem, but the SET SPEED command does not specify
> a 14400 baud rate, and the speed between the host and modem should in any
> case be at least 57600 bps or faster to fully allow maximum V42.bis 
> throughput.
> 
The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(189), with 5A(190) to be released
any day now.

C-Kermit should let you SET SPEED to any speed that is supported by the
underlying tty driver.  In the case of SunOS, 14400 is not one of the
supported speeds.  But you can use 19200 or 38400.  You can't use 57600.
Solaris supports a wider range of speeds.

- Frank

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From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-11 Ready for Testing
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-10 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of 11:15am EST, Monday, 7 November 1994:

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes since Beta-10 include:

 . Correction of RTS/CTS flow control problems that were introduced in
   Beta-10.

 . Addition of full Japanese character-ser support in terminal emulation:

   a) Additional character sets:
	JIS-Katanaka	(JIS X 201, ISO(ECMA)#13)
	JIS-Roman	(JIS X 201, ISO(ECMA)#14)

   b) Additional choices in SET TERMINAL OUTPUT-SHIFT (for keyboarding
      of different Kanji character sets):
   
	JIS7-Kanji, EUC-Kanji, and DEC-Kanji.
   
        JIS7-Kanji can take the following modifers:
	  JIS83-US (default)
	  JIS83-Roman
	  JIS83-75Roman
	  JIS78-US
	  JIS78-Roman
	  JIS78-75Roman

   NOTE: This item still needs a bit more work, and should be fully
   operational in the next Beta edit.

 . Correction of some subtle bugs in screen management which were evident
   on Japanese DOS machines.

 . Pointer safety check added in the BOOTP client routine to ensure
   trouble does not occur if a BOOTP server fails to send a terminal token
   (255) in the response packet.

 . One more quick-action routine in file transfer code to react to loss of
   modem CD as soon as possible, primarily for BBS operators.

 . Two bugs corrected in the Wyse-50 terminal emulation, relating to
   setting of bold/dim/reverse visual attributes and to using a full 132
   column screen.

 . Begin packing the executable files to save space on distribution
   media.  This is the /EXEPACK option in LINK, not PKZIP or similar.

Thanks, as always, to Joe Doupnik of Utah State University for this work,
and also to Hirofumi Fujii of the Japan National Laboratory of High Energy
Physics for the Kanji work, and for noticing and fixing some subtle bugs
in the general screen management area.

Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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In article <phinely-0611941748190001@nts224.dialup.hawaii.edu>, phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu writes:
|> 
|> Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in cyberspace for a couple
|> years?  Why would anybody want to use kermit?  It's slow and error prone
|> plus a pain to use.

I can't offer an opinion on the Mac version.  But as a general statement
you are wrong.  We use Kermit as the recommended communications software
at Queen's for our PC users.  It is not slow, it certainly isn't error
prone, and as for being a pain to use, wrong again.  Kermit has a very
complete scripting language that made it possible for us to develop
homegrown login scripts for our University's dial-in services.  This
lets us conceal a myriad of idiosyncracies related to our mainframe,
PACX, telnet servers, etc.

Why would anybody want to use Kermit?  Because it does the job, works
on all of our systems, is well-documented and supported, and incredibly,
is free.

-- 
 
 Mike Smith                                  mike@ccs.queensu.ca
 Queen's University                          Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA
 Computing and Communications Services       (613) 545-2024

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From: drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
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In article <CyLouB.6Lu@ritz.mordor.com> kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes:
   >And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation?  

   It comes with a *lot* of documentation.  The KERMIT.BWR and KERMIT.UPD
   file are both sets of documentation.  If you issue a HELP at the Kermit
   prompt, you get more information.  While you are typing in a comment,
   but you are not sure what to type in next, press a ?, and you will
   magically get help for that command.

Well, it comes with a lot of documentation files, but they're
hellishly organized.  The DIAL command, the second most important
feature (the first is terminal emulation), isn't in KERMIT.HLP, the
obvious documentation file, but is banished to the "Release notes"
file for some incomprehensible reason.  Since one expects DIAL to have
been is version 1.0000, one does not naturally think of looking in the
release notes for it.

And what is "KERMIT.BWR"?  Last I heard, "BWR" stands for Boiling
Water Reactor.  Put the documentation in one place, fer crying out
loud, don't scatter it among a half-dozen files.

The HELP command will give you pages of details about "SET BIT-MANGLE
FROG-MODE", but there is no simple menu of the half-dozen commands
that everybody needs.  (Unlike every other terminal emulator I've ever
seen.)

And if you make the mistake of starting Kermit when the current
directory is not the installation directory, then Kermit can't find
its initization files, and voila! DIAL simply disappears.  (I don't
know about the PC world, but as a general thing, Unix software is
bright enough to be able to find its initialization files on its own.)

Dale

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Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my 
scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be
nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg
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In article <DRW.94Nov7142624@runge.mit.edu> drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R.  
Worley) writes:
> In article <CyLouB.6Lu@ritz.mordor.com> kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut)
> writes:
> >And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation?  
> 
>    It comes with a *lot* of documentation.  The KERMIT.BWR and KERMIT.UPD
>    file are both sets of documentation.  If you issue a HELP at the Kermit
>    prompt, you get more information.  While you are typing in a comment,
>    but you are not sure what to type in next, press a ?, and you will
>    magically get help for that command.
> 
> Well, it comes with a lot of documentation files, but they're
> hellishly organized.  The DIAL command, the second most important
> feature (the first is terminal emulation), isn't in KERMIT.HLP, the
> obvious documentation file, but is banished to the "Release notes"
> file for some incomprehensible reason.  Since one expects DIAL to have
> been is version 1.0000, one does not naturally think of looking in the
> release notes for it.
> 
But if one looks up the DIAL command in KERMIT.HLP, one sees "See
KERMIT.UPD".  So it should not be that hard to figure out.

> And what is "KERMIT.BWR"?  Last I heard, "BWR" stands for Boiling
> Water Reactor.  Put the documentation in one place, fer crying out
> loud, don't scatter it among a half-dozen files.
> 
For the historical-minded, Kermit was first developed in the early 80s when
DEC was in its heyday, and every university had a DEC-10 or DEC-20 or a
VAX.  DEC software releases always included a "beware file", with file
type .BWR.  The idea was to get peoples' attention when something went
wrong, and everybody knew to "look in the BWR file" before reporting bugs,
etc.  Those days are over, of course, and perhaps it would it be more
intuitive (at least to newsgroup readers) to call them .FAQ files, but
then we'd have to recast them all in question-and-answer form, like in
Jeopardy, to avoid the inevitable rash of complaints.  But, given limited
resources and time, and an infinite amount of demand, this settles to a 
rather low rung on the priority ladder.

The simple fact is that Kermit, like a great deal of other software, comes
with a manual, and then some other files to supplement the manual, either
in the form of updates, or technical hints and tips.  Unlike a lot of this
other software, however, it also comes with a brief help file listing all
the commands.  I don't think this is something to complain about.

> And if you make the mistake of starting Kermit when the current
> directory is not the installation directory, then Kermit can't find
> its initization files, and voila! DIAL simply disappears.  (I don't
> know about the PC world, but as a general thing, Unix software is
> bright enough to be able to find its initialization files on its own.)
> 
Like most other DOS programs, Kermit needs to know where its ancilliary
files are so it can behave in a consistent way no matter what directory
you start it from.  What would you have it do -- a "find file" over all of
your disks?  The installation instructions are excruciatingly simple:
Make a directory for the Kermit files, and then add that directory to your
DOS PATH.  See the READ.ME file in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 ZIP file.

The preceeding, of course, is for the benefit of those who want to use the
software but don't want to consult the manual.  We don't get a lot of
complaints from Kermit users who *do* have the manual.

- Frank

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In article <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H.  
Lewenberg) writes:
> 
> Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my 
> scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be
> nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg
>
It is kind of late in the Beta cycle to consider adding this.  However,
you might be able to make do by defining an MINPUT macro, something like
this (courtesy of James Sturdevant):

define minput set alarm \%1,-
:top,-
if alarm end 1,-
input 1 \%2,if success asg mynput 1,if success end 0,-
if not def \%3 goto top,reinp 0 \%3,if succ asg mynput 2,if succ end 0,-
if not def \%4 goto top,reinp 0 \%4,if succ asg mynput 3,if succ end 0,-
if not def \%5 goto top,reinp 0 \%5,if succ asg mynput 4,if succ end 0,-
if not def \%6 goto top,reinp 0 \%6,if succ asg mynput 5,if succ end 0,-
if not def \%7 goto top,reinp 0 \%7,if succ asg mynput 6,if succ end 0,-
if not def \%8 goto top,reinp 0 \%8,if succ asg mynput 7,if succ end 0,-
if not def \%9 goto top,reinp 0 \%9,if succ asg mynput 8,if succ end 0,-
goto top

and then use it like this:


    minput 60 CONNECT ERROR {NO CARRIER} BUSY RING
    if fail errfail {No response from the modem}
    if eq \v(program) C-Kermit asg mynput \v(minput)
    goto CASE_\m(mynput)

- Frank

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Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the 
C-Kermit source files?

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In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.941106143639.22421D-100000@blue> "Archimedes L.  
Trajano" <cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca> writes:
> Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the 
> C-Kermit source files?
> 
Maybe, but why bother?  It would be bigger, slower, and do less, except
for some of the script programming features.  With some care, it is quite
possible to write script programs that are portable between MS-DOS
Kermit and C-Kermit.  I'm not denigrating C-Kermit at all, but really,
when you consider how much functionality is packed into the 200K-or-so
MS-DOS Kermit executable, it's astounding.

For comparison, look at OS/2 C-Kermit, the closest C-Kermit counterpart
to MS-DOS Kermit.  The 16-bit executable is 500K, and the 32-bit one is
680K.  Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite
a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and
addressability are at a premium.

If somebody should really want to adapt C-Kermit to DOS, however, it should
be a mere matter of filling in some communications and file access primitives
and writing a terminal emulator.  And hooking in to the various networking
APIs, if you can find them.  Etc etc.

- Frank

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In article <TOLNAS.94Nov2094608@sun1.engr.utk.edu> tolnas@sun1.engr.utk.edu (Barry Tolnas) writes:
> In article <FASTCART.94Nov2020153@marinara.MIT.EDU> fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) writes:
> 
> >   Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever"
> >   you are using upon startup?
> >   
> >   Fast Cart
> 
> set line /dev/whatever
> 
> 
> Barry

But, "whatever" changes whenever I log in.  Understand?  I want something that
will know what line I'm using...

Fast Cart
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You wrote:
In article <398rgf$3q9@news.halcyon.com> ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) writes:
> Arcell B. Frazier <fastcart@MIT.EDU> wrote:
> >Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever"
> >you are using upon startup?
> 
> I'm not sure I'm clear on your requirements -- does /dev/tty do what you want?
> 
> 		--Ken Pizzini

I found that on the C-kermit protocol we use, (from '89) /dev/tty is always
default at 1200 bps.  I want to be able to "set line /dev/whatever" whenever I
start C-kermit because I'm not always using the same tty.

Fast Cart
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You wrote:
In article <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> 	There isn't such a key. Perhaps you are still thinking of how
> Emacs chooses to interpret the local keyboard. Hint: ALT sends nothing,
> it only modifies other keypresses, and the modification has nothing at
> all to do with adding a high bit. Ditto Control and Shift. Emacs is
> wierd this way.
> 	Joe D.

He is right.  I had this problem.  What I did was to set key for just about
all of the Alt keys.  You can email me and I'll send you what I have...

Fast Cart
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In article <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, 
Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:

>Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite
>a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and
>addressability are at a premium.

    Oh, I wouldn't say that (unfashionable, that is).  Shareware
    authors often advertise the fact if they wrote their programs in
    assembly, and sometimes go on to point out the advantages:  A
    program that's small and fast.  There's no compiler in the world
    that can optimize like a knowledgeable programmer.  IMHO, well-
    written assembly is definitely a feature that savvy users look for.

    					Jeff

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MS-DOS Kermit respons to query
	CSI ? Ps $ p
with response
	CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y

According of my another docomentation response of this should be
	CSI ? Ps; Ps1 $ y

(MS-Kermit's  documentation gives that response is CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y
 but I think that this is incorrect for VT -series emulation.)

Comments?
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From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit)
Subject: Re: Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have MINPUT?
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In article <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, 
Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:

>In article <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H.  
>Lewenberg) writes:
>> 
>> Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my 
>> scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be
>> nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg

    Yes, this was the command I was thinking of, that time I posted to
    ask if the next release of MS-Kermit would have more of the script
    commands that C-Kermit has.  I stumbled across it in the C-Kerm
    docs, and thought "What a valuable tool for login scripts!"  Then I
    couldn't find it again.  This command does me no good in C-Kerm,
    which I use only as a remote, but would be seriously valuable in
    MSK!

>It is kind of late in the Beta cycle to consider adding this.  

    :(  :(  :(  :(  :(  :(  :(

>                                                               However,
>you might be able to make do by defining an MINPUT macro, something like
>this (courtesy of James Sturdevant):

    [macro and example of how to use it deleted]

    Yes, this would work, but it's a little big, and memory is at a
    premium for some of us.  I tend to use take files more, and save
    memory for key settings and screen rollback.

    Anyway, if you can't, you can't.  But I'd be interested in this
    feature, too.

    					Jeff

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From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford)
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Subject: Re: Incorrect response to request of terminal mode status (DEC modes)
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Summary: there are 2 cases, according to VT330/340 documentation
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In article <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi>,
   hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes:
>
>MS-DOS Kermit responds to query
>	CSI ? Ps $ p
>with response
>	CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y
>According of my another docomentation response of this should be
>	CSI ? Ps; Ps1 $ y
>
>(MS-Kermit's  documentation gives that response is CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y
> but I think that this is incorrect for VT -series emulation.)
>
>- Kari E. Hurtta
>  Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI
>  {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi

I think that you are referring to the VT300-mode request/response pair
DECRQM and DECRPM.

In the Digital documentation "VT330/VT340 Programmer Reference Manual,
Volume 1: Text Programming" (EK-VT3XX-TP-001) on page 238 we find

    MODE SETTINGS (VT300 mode only)

    Request Mode          DECRQM      CSI Pa $ p
                                      Pa = ANSI mode (see table 12-2)

                                      CSI ? Pd $ p
                                      Pa =  DEC private mode (see table 12-3)

    Report Mode           DECRPM      CSI Pa;Ps $ y
                                      Pa = ANSI mode (see table 12-2)

                                      Ps = mode state
                                       0 = unknown mode
                                       1 = set
                                       2 = reset
                                       3 = permanently set
                                       4 = permanently reset


    Set Mode              SM          CSI Pa; ...Pa h
                                      Pa = ANSI mode(s)

                                      CSI ? Pd; ...Pd h
                                      Pd =  DEC private mode(s)

    Reset Mode            RM          CSI Pa; ...Pa l
                                      Pa = ANSI mode(s)

                                      CSI ? Pd; ...Pd l
                                      Pd =  DEC private mode(s)


(Notes:  the CSI is hexadecimal 9B in 8-bit communication, or
         the sequence <Escape> [   in 7-bit communication.

         Pa, Ps, and Pd are variable parameters.

         The "l" in the above RM command is a lowercase "L".

         Spaces in the description are for clarity and are not transmitted.)

So one form of the response is appropriate for ANSI/ISO standardized
modes, and the other form for DEC proprietary modes.

Are you saying that MS-Kermit is generating the ANSI/ISO-mode response
to the DEC-mode query?

-- 
 ...Richard S. Shuford  | "When the righteous triumph, there is great elation;
 ...shuford@cs.utk.edu  |  but when the wicked rise to power, men go into
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In article <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
   But if one looks up the DIAL command in KERMIT.HLP, one sees "See
   KERMIT.UPD".  So it should not be that hard to figure out.

Hmmm...  Just checked my KERMIT.HLP (version 3.13, gotten from
watsun.cc.columbia.edu, I think, but I can't check right now, its FTP
server is hosed), and it doesn't say that, although it does mention
the DIAL command in passing at one point.

   Like most other DOS programs, Kermit needs to know where its ancilliary
   files are so it can behave in a consistent way no matter what directory
   you start it from.  What would you have it do -- a "find file" over all of
   your disks?

Have KERMIT.EXE know where to look, as is universal in Unix software.
You wouldn't even have to make it configurable, since everything
assumes that Kermit will be in C:\KERMIT.

   The installation instructions are excruciatingly simple:
   Make a directory for the Kermit files, and then add that directory to your
   DOS PATH.  See the READ.ME file in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 ZIP file.

Yes, but I have Kermit 3.13, and the READ.ME doesn't warn you that you
have to modify your PATH.  I will grant that it does tell you to read
KERMIT.HLP, but that is a little long for installation instructions.

   The preceeding, of course, is for the benefit of those who want to use the
   software but don't want to consult the manual.  We don't get a lot of
   complaints from Kermit users who *do* have the manual.

If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my
local software store and buy Procomm.

Dale

Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu
--
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walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about
robbery.  Then [I] look around and see someone white and feel relieved.
-- Jesse Jackson, as quoted by Mike Royko

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In article <DRW.94Nov8110735@runge.mit.edu> drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R.  
Worley) writes:
> Hmmm...  Just checked my KERMIT.HLP (version 3.13, gotten from
> watsun.cc.columbia.edu, I think, but I can't check right now, its FTP
> server is hosed), and it doesn't say that, although it does mention
> the DIAL command in passing at one point.
> 
My comments were in reference to version 3.14.  I think you will find a
lot of improvements in version 3.14 over 3.13.

> If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my
> local software store and buy Procomm.
> 
A noble attitude.  In other words, since you don't want to buy a manual,
you expect real human people to work for you, for free.  To develop
software for you AND document it, AND answer your questions, all for
free, and listen to your complaints about how they did it.  Please, go
buy Procomm.

- Frank

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Subject: Kermit for ALPHA VMS ?
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Does anybody know where I can get a copy of Kermit for ALPHA VMS ?

Gaz.

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In article <39o5aqINN164@cetus2e.cs.utk.edu>, shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford) writes:
> In article <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi>,
>    hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes:
>>
>>MS-DOS Kermit responds to query
>>	CSI ? Ps $ p
>>with response
>>	CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y
>>According of my another docomentation response of this should be
>>	CSI ? Ps; Ps1 $ y
>>
>>(MS-Kermit's  documentation gives that response is CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y
>> but I think that this is incorrect for VT -series emulation.)
>>
>>- Kari E. Hurtta
>>  Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI
>>  {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi
> 
> I think that you are referring to the VT300-mode request/response pair
> DECRQM and DECRPM.
----------
	Kari is correct. A question mark was omitted from the DEC-specific
report. I've corrected that (and in msvibm.vt) here this morning and the
results will appear in the next beta of MSK.
	Thanks,
	Joe D.

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In article <DRW.94Nov8110735@runge.mit.edu>, drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes:
> In article <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>    But if one looks up the DIAL command in KERMIT.HLP, one sees "See
>    KERMIT.UPD".  So it should not be that hard to figure out.
> 
> Hmmm...  Just checked my KERMIT.HLP (version 3.13, gotten from
> watsun.cc.columbia.edu, I think, but I can't check right now, its FTP
> server is hosed), and it doesn't say that, although it does mention
> the DIAL command in passing at one point.
> 
>    Like most other DOS programs, Kermit needs to know where its ancilliary
>    files are so it can behave in a consistent way no matter what directory
>    you start it from.  What would you have it do -- a "find file" over all of
>    your disks?
> 
> Have KERMIT.EXE know where to look, as is universal in Unix software.
> You wouldn't even have to make it configurable, since everything
> assumes that Kermit will be in C:\KERMIT.
> If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my
> local software store and buy Procomm.

	But then you'd have to read it all by yourself with no way to
talk to the developers.

	DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix
won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the
program is built to look in its startup directory. The latter "feature"
can be implemented under current versions of DOS but only with trepedition
from a non-tree directory system (all those letters, SUBST, network drive
mappings, all the things which make it nearly impossible to know a 
directory as a real directory).
 	Joe D.
 
> Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu

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Kermit for OpenVMS/AXP can be found on kermit.columbia.edu,
directory kermit/test/ and its subdirectories.  Begin by
getting the file kermit/test/ckvaaa.hlp and reading it.

- Frank

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(Sorry for continuing this thread in cpkm...)

In article <jhurwitCyxuD9.FGy@netcom.com>,
Jeffrey Hurwit <jhurwit@netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, 
>Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
>
>>Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite
>>a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and
>>addressability are at a premium.
>
>    Oh, I wouldn't say that (unfashionable, that is).  Shareware
>    authors often advertise the fact if they wrote their programs in
>    assembly, and sometimes go on to point out the advantages:  A
>    program that's small and fast.  There's no compiler in the world
>    that can optimize like a knowledgeable programmer.  IMHO, well-
>    written assembly is definitely a feature that savvy users look for.

The problem with assembly is that complicated-but-faster algorithms
are less likely to be used, and it is much more likely that arbritrary
limits on data sizes will be introduced in order to simplify programming.
Also modern compilers will do a better job of optimizing than a
mediocre programmer, in most cases.  In the optimize-for-speed relm it
is much more fruitful to program in a high-level-language, profile the
resulting program, and hand-code only the routines thus determined to
be critical.

Then again, modern compilers are usually built to optimize for speed,
not space.  If memory is tight hand-coded assembly still has an edge.
If nothing else it will encourage the programmer to leave out some
unnecessary bells and whistles.

		--Ken Pizzini

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>>>>> "phinely" == phinely  <phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu> babbles:
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phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu writes:


    phinely> In article <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM>,
    phinely> jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) wrote:

    >> >Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing.  >
    >> >Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it,
    >> and unless >we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a
    >> new volunteer comes >forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh
    >> communications
    phinely> programming, there
    >> >will not be much movement in this area.  Prospects in both
    >> areas, at
    phinely> present,
    >> >are dim.  >

    phinely> Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in
    phinely> cyberspace for a couple years?  Why would anybody want to
    phinely> use kermit?  It's slow and error prone plus a pain to
    phinely> use.

Glad you asked

Me for one, this is the only thing I can use to connect to some remote
site. Yes it is slow, Yes it is error prone, why  do you think the guy
is asking for improvement?




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>>>>> "phinely" == phinely  <phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu> babbles:
In article <phinely-0611941748190001@nts224.dialup.hawaii.edu>
phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu writes:


    phinely> In article <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM>,
    phinely> jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) wrote:

    >> >Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing.  >
    >> >Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it,
    >> and unless >we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a
    >> new volunteer comes >forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh
    >> communications
    phinely> programming, there
    >> >will not be much movement in this area.  Prospects in both
    >> areas, at
    phinely> present,
    >> >are dim.  >

    phinely> Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in
    phinely> cyberspace for a couple years?  Why would anybody want to
    phinely> use kermit?  It's slow and error prone plus a pain to
    phinely> use.

Glad you asked

Me for one, this is the only thing I can use to connect to some remote
site. Yes it is slow, Yes it is error prone, why do you think the guys
is asking for improvment?




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In article <39omj0$ocs@news.halcyon.com>, ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) writes:
> (Sorry for continuing this thread in cpkm...)
> 
> In article <jhurwitCyxuD9.FGy@netcom.com>,
> Jeffrey Hurwit <jhurwit@netcom.com> wrote:
>>In article <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, 
>>Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
>>
>>>Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite
>>>a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and
>>>addressability are at a premium.
>>
>>    Oh, I wouldn't say that (unfashionable, that is).  Shareware
>>    authors often advertise the fact if they wrote their programs in
>>    assembly, and sometimes go on to point out the advantages:  A
>>    program that's small and fast.  There's no compiler in the world
>>    that can optimize like a knowledgeable programmer.  IMHO, well-
>>    written assembly is definitely a feature that savvy users look for.
> 
> The problem with assembly is that complicated-but-faster algorithms
> are less likely to be used, and it is much more likely that arbritrary
> limits on data sizes will be introduced in order to simplify programming.
> Also modern compilers will do a better job of optimizing than a
> mediocre programmer, in most cases.  In the optimize-for-speed relm it
> is much more fruitful to program in a high-level-language, profile the
> resulting program, and hand-code only the routines thus determined to
> be critical.
> 
> Then again, modern compilers are usually built to optimize for speed,
> not space.  If memory is tight hand-coded assembly still has an edge.
> If nothing else it will encourage the programmer to leave out some
> unnecessary bells and whistles.
------------
	May I end this thread as a person with some experience in both
assembler and C?
	There is no way C can beat decent assembler. All those push/pops
and stack references (that's touching real memory folks) kill performance.
Programs beyond the hobbyist level aren't designed and written by undoing
C code to assembler; far from it. They are designed differently from the 
ground up.
	I doubt many readers here have any idea of what is involved using
C without all the helpful crutches provided by the compiler vendor. Remove
the startup routines, and the run time libraries, and mix in near and far
code and data, add interrupt routines. That will do for openers. It's not
at all like programming "Hello World\n". Yet this occurs in MS-DOS Kermit
which is 80% assembler and which uses C for the TCP/IP stack, and that's
run partly at interrupt level and never as a "main" program. There is 
no main() nor any vendor libraries etc. And I wish your last phrase were
true, sigh.
	Joe D.

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Dale R. Worley (drw@runge.mit.edu) wrote:
% Well, it comes with a lot of documentation files, but they're
% hellishly organized.  The DIAL command, the second most important
% feature (the first is terminal emulation), isn't in KERMIT.HLP, the
% obvious documentation file, but is banished to the "Release notes"
% file for some incomprehensible reason.  Since one expects DIAL to have
% been is version 1.0000, one does not naturally think of looking in the
% release notes for it.

I know it's frustrating when you can't get software to work, but I
really do think you should modify your tone when asking for help. I'm
astonished at how patient people have been in replying to your 
queries given the way that you phrase them.

Leila
-- 
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In article <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
   > If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my
   > local software store and buy Procomm.

   But then you'd have to read it all by yourself with no way to
   talk to the developers.

So far, the developers haven't been stunningly useful.  I've made one
request, "The DIAL command is the single most important command in a
terminal emulator, so you should make it *easy* to find out how to use
it." and the developers have replied "We don't care."

And for most commercial software, you *can* talk to tech support.  And
the developers do listen to what customers complain about.

   DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix
   won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the
   program is built to look in its startup directory.

You just compile the correct directory into the executable.  It works
quite reliably.

Dale

Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu
--
We have ways to make you scream.
-- Intel advertisement, in the June 1989 Doctor Dobbs Journal
(Yeah, like having to write 80x86 assembler code!)

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In article <39oaco$5us@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>In article <DRW.94Nov8110735@runge.mit.edu> drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R.  
>Worley) writes:
>> If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my
>> local software store and buy Procomm.
>> 
>A noble attitude.  In other words, since you don't want to buy a manual,
>you expect real human people to work for you, for free.  To develop
>software for you AND document it, AND answer your questions, all for
>free, and listen to your complaints about how they did it.  Please, go
>buy Procomm.
>
>- Frank

Well said, Frank!

--Mike Ciaraldi
  University of Rochester


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In article <DRW.94Nov9085840@runge.mit.edu>,
Dale R. Worley <drw@runge.mit.edu> wrote:
>In article <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>So far, the developers haven't been stunningly useful.  I've made one
>request, "The DIAL command is the single most important command in a
>terminal emulator, so you should make it *easy* to find out how to use
>it." and the developers have replied "We don't care."


The "we don't care." are your words not Frank's, not Joe's, and not mine.
We do care.  However, we also do have limited time.  3.14 is still in Beta.
There is a ways to go yet.  Be patient.  

Frank and Joe commented in previous messages about your claim that DIAL was
not documented anywhere.  They correctly pointed out that you were wrong.
Granted, with a several hundred page book, and several update files there is
 a lot to read.  But this is *free* software (until you buy the manual.)

>And for most commercial software, you *can* talk to tech support.  And
>the developers do listen to what customers complain about.

Hate to tell you.  Tech support is a far cry from talking to the developers.
Sure Tech Support may be able to tell you where to find the DIAL command
in the docs, but in most cases they can't help you with the real world of
non-PC to PC based communication.

>
>   DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix
>   won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the
>   program is built to look in its startup directory.
>
>You just compile the correct directory into the executable.  It works
>quite reliably.

Are you saying hard code a specific directory name into an executable?
This is nuts.  Where do you keep your MS-DOS Kermit?

C:\KERMIT
D:\KERMIT
F:\MSK
C:\BIN\COMM\MSK

how are we supposed to know where you keep your files?

Then there is the second case, I know where the exe files are but
where are the initialization files.  Many people use separate directories
of init files in order to preserve separate configurations.  Maybe for
a laptop on the LAN vs. a laptop connected to the LAN via a remote dialup.

You can't hard code directory names.  Sorry.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip 

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The answer to this question is:

set command bytesize 8

Thanks to Ken Pizzini <ken@halcyon.com> for the answer.

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Hi all; can anybody point me to the kermit protocol spec?  It
would be ever so much easier than reading source code.

ADVthanxANCE,
-- 
		-ed falk, sun microsystems
		 falk@sun.com
	"Towards the end, the smell of their air began to change"

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In article <39eco1$h7k@news.halcyon.com>,
Ken Pizzini <ken@chinook.halcyon.com> wrote:
>In article <JASON.94Nov3134526@idiom.com>,
>Jason Venner <jason@idiom.com> wrote:
>>I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts.
>>
>>Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key.
>>Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through
>>to the remote side?
>
>set term byte 8

This was only a partial answer.  He also needed to
  set command bytesize 8

		--Ken Pizzini

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In <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik writes:
>In article <JASON.94Nov3134526@idiom.com>, jason@idiom.com (Jason Venner) writes:
>> Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key.
>> Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through
>> to the remote side?
>> 
>	There isn't such a key. Perhaps you are still thinking of how
>Emacs chooses to interpret the local keyboard. Hint: ALT sends nothing,
>it only modifies other keypresses, and the modification has nothing at
>all to do with adding a high bit. Ditto Control and Shift. Emacs is
>wierd this way.
>	Joe D.

well, in days long past, in RMS land, there were systems with 
"meta" key as well as a "hyper" key.  if I remember correctly, 
"meta" did add 0x80 to each char.

--- eric
-- 
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From: watson@madvax.maths.uwa.edu.au (David Watson)
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I run Linux on my 486 and so I have XView and the openwin screens
which I have become quite accustomed to.  But Kermit doesn't understand
them and I have to use the vt100 terminal screen when I use Kermit.  

How can I tell Kermit that I have sun-cmd screens?

Many thanks for any help.
-- 
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Department of Mathematics                          watson@DIALix.oz.au
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From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit)
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In article <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>, 
br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu wrote:

>Hi, 
>Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from
>kermit.columbia.edu.
>These do not seem to be executables. 

    Are you sure you're getting the right file-- kermit/test/bin/
    mstibm.zip?  Your executables are right after the readme:

Archive:  mstibm.zip
 Length  Method   Size  Ratio   Date    Time   CRC-32     Name ("^" ==> case
 ------  ------   ----  -----   ----    ----   ------     ----   conversion)
  10577  Implode   4473  58%  10-30-94  15:59  b99272a2  ^read.me
 228152  Implode 146491  36%  11-07-94  10:40  cbf6f11f  ^kermit.exe <===
 158290  Implode 102723  35%  11-07-94  10:40  533ef169  ^kermite.exe <===
 103274  Implode  66358  36%  11-07-94  10:40  f94fd286  ^kerlite.exe <===

>                                    Am I supposed to compile the
>binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where
>mskermit 3.13 is now.

    Neither.  There's nothing to compile-- the executables are ready to
    run.  You may want to work over the INItialization and script
    files, depending on how you use Kermit.

    Since this is a beta, it would probably be better if you were to
    create a separate directory for 3.14, rather than just dumping the
    files in (and overwriting files already in) the directory where you
    have 3.13.

>                       Also before I bother upgrading,  if the server
>I conncet to, my University,  does not upgrade its version of Kermit
>on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you

    That all depends on what features you want the most.  If the Kermit
    on your host is so old that it doesn't support sliding windows,
    long packets, control character unprefixing, or uses the old
    terminalR/terminalS instead of the newer APC, the new Kermit won't
    help all that much.  However, if you want the new script commands,
    character sets, etc., then get 3.14.

    I can't speak for other platforms, but if your account is on a Unix
    host and you have the space in your quota, it's not too hard to get
    the sources for C-Kermit 190 and build your own copy.  (If space
    *is* a problem, gzexe compresses the executable very nicely to
    about 1/2 original size.)  IMO the new crash recovery feature alone
    is worth the effort, and if your host's Kermit doesn't have the
    other features previously mentioned, so much more the reason.

    					Jeff

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From: gillespi@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (gillespie)
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So I've figured out how to ftp files to my account @ sdsu's ucssun1
and can even look and see that they are there.  I found a handout
at the university computer operations office that gave some insight into
using kermit, but I'm still missing some pieces of the puzzle.  Here I 
sit at home connected to the sun server, but I can't quite figure out
how to send files to my PC.  I tried the send command with one of the
files that I ftp'd to my acct. and kept getting told that the file
I was asking for didn't exist.  However, after using the "ls" command
at the c kermit prompt the file I wanted to send was listed.  Where am
I going wrong.  If anyone could email me a procedure for downloading 
files please do!

Wally Gillespie

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: re msdos kermit 3.14 ...
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In article <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>, br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () writes:
> Hi, 
> Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from
> kermit.columbia.edu.
> These do not seem to be executables. Am I supposed to compile the
> binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where
> mskermit 3.13 is now.  Also before I bother upgrading,  if the server
> I conncet to, my University,  does not upgrade its version of Kermit
> on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you
----------
	Don't touch them! MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 is in beta testing; it is
not release level material yet. Please wait for the formal announcement
then follow instructions in that message.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit
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In article <39r47t$pil@burgundy.csn.net>, oberg@teal.csn.org (Craig Oberg)
 writes:
> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> 
>>In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.941106143639.22421D-100000@blue> "Archimedes L.  
>>Trajano" <cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca> writes:
>>> Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the 
>>> C-Kermit source files?
>>> 
>>Maybe, but why bother?  It would be bigger, slower, and do less, except
>>for some of the script programming features.  With some care, it is quite
>>possible to write script programs that are portable between MS-DOS
>>Kermit and C-Kermit.  I'm not denigrating C-Kermit at all, but really,
>>when you consider how much functionality is packed into the 200K-or-so
>>MS-DOS Kermit executable, it's astounding.
> 
> For my use, the script programming is one of the MOST important 
> features of MS-kermit and C-Kermit. I would love to have the the 
> C-kermit and MS-Kermit scripting interfaces be 100% compatible
> (except for those limited by the OS). Perhaps there could be a 
> way to  link the C-kermit scripting source in to the MS-kermit 
> version with out increasing the size dramaticly. If this is not 
> possible or wise, then I would request to enhance the MS-kermit's
> scripting features to be compatible with C-kermit. For me, I
> would trade a lot of the size to get compatibility and readability
> of MS-kermit  scripts.
----------
	I'm sorry, but MSK and CK are not code compatible at all.
The command parsers which you like so much are extremely complicated
sets of code in each program, and they are very different. There will
be operations in one which are either awkward to implement in the
other or just can't be because of internal design considerations.
We try to make the two behave similarly, but there are limits on
program effects as well as person time involved (and I want to
emphasize that this means a *lot* of concentrated effort).
	I don't understand your last sentence. I can say that we won't
trade lots of program space (memory) for seldom used features. But then 
we don't have any idea of what's important to you.
	Joe D. 

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From: jwarner@prairienet.org (Jack E. Warner)
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My .kermrc file looks something like this (from memory):

    set line /dev/ph1
    set speed 9600
    set <something else>
    log session
    dial 0000000
    connect

How do I tell C-Kermit for UNIX "if you get a busy signal, hangup and redial
until you get success, then connect"? I have no documentation for this
program and would like to customize it just a bit and get tired of typing
red, ^c, red ^c, red, ^c, red, ^c, red, ... connect.

Please send response to jwarner@prairienet.org
Thanks, 
Jack.


-- 


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In article <39rtnn$spo@gondor.sdsu.edu>, 
gillespie (gillespi@ucssun1.sdsu.edu) wrote:

>So I've figured out how to ftp files to my account @ sdsu's ucssun1
>and can even look and see that they are there.  I found a handout
>at the university computer operations office that gave some insight into
>using kermit, but I'm still missing some pieces of the puzzle.  Here I 
>sit at home connected to the sun server, but I can't quite figure out
>how to send files to my PC.  I tried the send command with one of the
>files that I ftp'd to my acct. and kept getting told that the file
>I was asking for didn't exist.  However, after using the "ls" command
>at the c kermit prompt the file I wanted to send was listed.  Where am
>I going wrong.  If anyone could email me a procedure for downloading 
>files please do!

    I can think of only one remote possibility (even more remote,
    considering that you got ftp to work): You are aware, aren't you,
    that the Unix system on which you have your account is case
    sensitive?  Because it is, so is the Kermit running on it.  You
    have to type in the file name *exactly* as it appears in the "ls"
    listing, after the send command.  Unlike with DOS, filename,
    Filename, and FILENAME are different names for different files.

    Other than this guess, I haven't a clue, and I'm sorry if I've told
    you something so basic as to sound insulting.

    					Jeff

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From: s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong)
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We have been using Kermit's telnet (over either packet driver or Novell's
ODI, i.e. Da Lancinni's ODIPKT) for quite some time now. Recently some
PCTCP's apps have to be run and we want to keep the user Kermit telnet.
So it'll be handy if Kermit can run on top of PCTCP's ODIPKT
(I don't want to go for the tnglass option as batch files have been
written that use kermit's telnet all along)
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: pointer to kermit protocol spec?
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In article <39p7r5$fo1@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM>, falk@peregrine.eng.sun.com (Ed Falk) writes:
> Hi all; can anybody point me to the kermit protocol spec?  It
> would be ever so much easier than reading source code.
-----------
	Sure, no problem. Purchase the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol"
by Frank da Cruz, ISBN 0-932376-88-6, Digital Press (or used to be, Frank?),
about $35. It's the formal spec doc to that time. Further extensions are
on kermit.columbia.edu in the kermit directory heirarchy.
	I have two large grad classes using this book as one of two books.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can Kermit 3.14 run on PCTCP's ODIPKT
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In article <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk>, s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) writes:
> We have been using Kermit's telnet (over either packet driver or Novell's
> ODI, i.e. Da Lancinni's ODIPKT) for quite some time now. Recently some
> PCTCP's apps have to be run and we want to keep the user Kermit telnet.
> So it'll be handy if Kermit can run on top of PCTCP's ODIPKT
> (I don't want to go for the tnglass option as batch files have been
> written that use kermit's telnet all along)
----------
	I replied to this privately but here is a summary.
	FTP Inc's ODIPKT has a license detection feature in ARP which
prevents Kermit or other non-FTP program from accessing ARP packets
over their ODIPKT. Both FTP's stack and Kermit will run over Harvard's
ODIPKT, but never together.
	Joe D.

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From: zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S. Zinzow)
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jwarner@prairienet.org (Jack E. Warner) writes:
>My .kermrc file looks something like this (from memory):

>    set line /dev/ph1
>    set speed 9600
>    set <something else>
>    log session
>    dial 0000000
>    connect

>How do I tell C-Kermit for UNIX "if you get a busy signal, hangup and redial
>until you get success, then connect"? I have no documentation for this
>program and would like to customize it just a bit and get tired of typing
>red, ^c, red ^c, red, ^c, red, ^c, red, ... connect.

>Please send response to jwarner@prairienet.org
>Thanks, 
>Jack.

RTFM.  Kermit has a powerful script language.  Look at the CCSO Kermit doc
in gopher for a full page of references, or ftp to watsun.cc.columbia.edu.
Many sample scripts are disctributed with MS-DOS kermit that will do what you
want.  A trivial one would be:
:dial-loop
out ATDT xxx-xxxx\13
in 45 BUSY
if suc goto dial-loop
echo Not Busy, so I assume we're connected!

You can define this as a macro, or a take-file.

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From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos)
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Subject: Re: Can Kermit 3.14 run on PCTCP's ODIPKT
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In article <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk>, PM Wong <s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk> wrote:
:We have been using Kermit's telnet (over either packet driver or Novell's
:ODI, i.e. Da Lancinni's ODIPKT) for quite some time now. Recently some
:PCTCP's apps have to be run and we want to keep the user Kermit telnet.
:So it'll be handy if Kermit can run on top of PCTCP's ODIPKT
:(I don't want to go for the tnglass option as batch files have been
:written that use kermit's telnet all along)


It'll work, but I don't understand why you would want to do this. 
Kermit can directly interface with odi packets (has been able to since
v3.12 or was that 3.11?)  Anyway, just do a set tcp packet odi instead
of using the packet driver intrupt.

However, if you're still hell bent on using PCTCP's odipkt, then yes,
it will run over that too...

        --Jerry

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phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu wrote:
: Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in cyberspace for a couple
: years?  Why would anybody want to use kermit?  

Unequalled emulation, built-in Tektronix support (in the DOS version),
and free.

> It's slow

My own tests indicate very close to the theoretical maximum.  Transfer
rates are typically 97% to 106% of Zmodem.  Have you found something
much faster than Zmodem?

: and error prone

I go weeks at a time without an error.  Please elaborate.

: plus a pain to use.

Ah, no GUI.

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Isn't kermit available on the Alpha Freeware CD?



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jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

;>   DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix
;>   won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the
;>   program is built to look in its startup directory.
;>
;>You just compile the correct directory into the executable.  It works
;>quite reliably.

;Are you saying hard code a specific directory name into an executable?
;This is nuts.  Where do you keep your MS-DOS Kermit?

;C:\KERMIT
;D:\KERMIT
;F:\MSK
;C:\BIN\COMM\MSK

;how are we supposed to know where you keep your files?

I have impression, that in MS-DOS 3 (or was it 3.2?) or newer full path from
where program was started is accessible to program.

;Then there is the second case, I know where the exe files are but
;where are the initialization files.  Many people use separate directories

Yes. This is another case, perhaps some environment variable is good
in this case.

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From: rdavis4@umbc.edu (davis robert)
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Subject: S...l...o...w C-Kermit File Transfers.  What's wrong?
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This afternoon, I hooked up a 14,400 baud modem to my UNIX box, set
the line being used to 19,200 bps (the modem's manual suggests setting
the speed between the modem and computer to 19,200 bps) in inittab and
set C-Kermit's speed to 19,200 bps.  Although everything else, such as
viewing files on the screen, reading news, etc., is faster, when I
attempt to transfer any files, the file transfer is about as slow as
it was as 1,200 bps!  Am I doing someting wrong, or is kermit supposed
to transfer files this slowly?  It took almost 4 minutes to
transfer a 25K uncompressed text file.

Thanks very much for any information that anyone can provide about
what, if anything, is wrong here.


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In article <AFSYPNG.94Nov9072913@cmcws75.cmc.aes.doe.ca>, afsypng@cmcws75.cmc.aes.doe.ca (Jacques Marcoux) writes:
>>>>>> "phinely" == phinely  <phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu> babbles:
> In article <phinely-0611941748190001@nts224.dialup.hawaii.edu>
> phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu writes:
> 
> 
>     phinely> In article <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM>,
>     phinely> jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) wrote:
> 
[snip]
> 
> Me for one, this is the only thing I can use to connect to some remote
> site. Yes it is slow, Yes it is error prone, why do you think the guys
> is asking for improvment?
> 

Slow?  I'm getting about 2300cps w/ a 14.4k modem using compression--if 
this is slow (I upgraded from a 2400), somebody please tell me what I 
need to do to increase the speed.  As for errors, the only time I get 
*any* errors is if I forget to set filetype binary on both ends before 
a non-text transfer.

For those of you who might know how to make my transfer speed increase,
but need particulars, my *.ini reads:

set send pack 4096
ser receive pack 4096
set block 3
set window 2
set retry 63

The terminal server that I connect to suports transfer rates as high 
as 38400, but no higher (KU is planning on upgrading its servers.)

Note that I've never seen kermit use more than one window, though.
Also, I use a high retry number because my link will sometimes hang 
for an extended period (not kermit's fault) and start kermit's retry 
sequence (which has timed out before.)

Thanks for any help, and good luck to the poster on getting improved 
performance.

Troy Smith

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Hi, all.

	I'm trying to set up a new OS (TSX-Lite) on my 486.  It will run 
DOS executables, but so far I have been unsuccessful in getting MS-Kermit
to see the com port (TSX controlls the hardware.)  There is a native 
version of Kermit available for this OS, but I'd rather not tie myself to 
a proprietary implementation of the standard.  Will one of the VMS 
versions of C-Kermit work with this OS?  If so, which one, and how 
difficult will it be to set up?

Thanks for any answers, even negative ones.

Troy Smith

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From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos)
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Is it just me or am I missing something plainly obvious?  Here's what's
going on:

I have MS-Kermit (v3.13) on a 386 over an ethernet connection.  On the
host side, I'm running C-Kermit (5A(189)) on a Sun 4.  With the
following settings I get a average CPS of about 8500 (or at least
that's what the status bar on MSK says).

MS-Kermit               C-Kermit
set flow none           set flow none
set windows 3           set windows 3
set send pack 5000      set send pack 5000
set rec pack 5000       set rec pack 5000
                        set file display none
                        set file names literal
                        
However, when I run C-Kermit from my Linux box I don't get anywhere
near the same performance.  FYI, the two machines are right next to
each other, and have the same hardware (actually, they may have
different ethernet cards).  I connect to the same host.  The .mykermit
file on the local machine looks the same as the above C-Kermit one
except that the file display line reads ``set file display crt''.  I
found that fullscreen did indeed slow it down a lot, and that there
wasn't much difference between crt and serial, and that the improvement
over none wasn't so significant that I wanted to give up knowing how
the file transfer was going.  (Yes, I got all of this from the C-Kermit
book--a must get!).

So, am I doing something wrong?  Is the report generated by MSK wrong,
and I should really look at the host's `stat' report?  Is there
something that I should be setting since I'm going from C-Kermit to
C-Kermit?  Am I so illiterate that I totally missed something in the
book?

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

        --Jerry

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Jeffrey Hurwit (jhurwit@netcom.com) wrote:
: In article <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, 
: Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:

: >In article <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H.  
: >Lewenberg) writes:
: >> 
: >> Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my 
: >> scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be
: >> nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg

:     [macro and example of how to use it deleted]

:     Yes, this would work, but it's a little big, and memory is at a
:     premium for some of us.  I tend to use take files more, and save
:     memory for key settings and screen rollback.
Well, there is no reason that you can't put the text into a take file and
then define minput to take the take file.  Macros are no more than memory
resident take files.

JamesS

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Can anyone tell me where I should go to get the latest version of Kermit
for MS-DOS? What server, filename, etc. is it?

Also, is the source code available?  Is it in 'C'?  Will it run on my ICL
DRS6000 and my Siemens Nixdorf RM400 at work?  (Nearing in mind I have
minimal skills in 'C' so I couldn't modify the code if I had to).

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From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee)
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I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 beta 11, and it's been nice being able to help
Kermit's progression in any way.  However, I have a problem that's been
around since at least beta-4.  Sometimes when I'm online to here at
Columbia things freeze up.  By accident I discovered that when I go into
command mode and type 'show modem' or run a DOS program or whatever, the
RD light on my modem snaps on again, and all's well with the world.  For
a while this was happening a lot; I thought it went away, but it happened
again a couple times today.

Any ideas?  I haven't been able to reproduce the problem myself, but when
it happens the 'show modem' method works every time.
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I should also point out that I'm running MS-Kermit on an old Tandy XT
clone and an Intel 144/144e external 14.4k modem.  Nothing's changed at
all configurationwise since when I was using 3.13, and I don't think this
happened then.


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We are trying to run kermit.exe (v3.12) on PCTCP (v. 2.3) tnglass 
via Int 14.
Now when we logout of the unix host, it will not come back to the
DOS prompt straight-away (though we have put the keyword EXIT or
PUSH at the end of the called kermit's .ini script)
We have to manually press ^] and then type c to come out.
Is there any method to automate this exit to DOS function at logout
of the unix host ? 

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fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.941106143639.22421D-100000@blue> "Archimedes L.  
>Trajano" <cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca> writes:
>> Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the 
>> C-Kermit source files?
>> 
>Maybe, but why bother?  It would be bigger, slower, and do less, except
>for some of the script programming features.  With some care, it is quite
>possible to write script programs that are portable between MS-DOS
>Kermit and C-Kermit.  I'm not denigrating C-Kermit at all, but really,
>when you consider how much functionality is packed into the 200K-or-so
>MS-DOS Kermit executable, it's astounding.

For my use, the script programming is one of the MOST important 
features of MS-kermit and C-Kermit. I would love to have the the 
C-kermit and MS-Kermit scripting interfaces be 100% compatible
(except for those limited by the OS). Perhaps there could be a 
way to  link the C-kermit scripting source in to the MS-kermit 
version with out increasing the size dramaticly. If this is not 
possible or wise, then I would request to enhance the MS-kermit's
scripting features to be compatible with C-kermit. For me, I
would trade a lot of the size to get compatibility and readability
of MS-kermit  scripts.

Craig Oberg
oberg@hexagon.com


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Hi, 
Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from
kermit.columbia.edu.
These do not seem to be executables. Am I supposed to compile the
binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where
mskermit 3.13 is now.  Also before I bother upgrading,  if the server
I conncet to, my University,  does not upgrade its version of Kermit
on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you


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In article <1994Nov9.195221.32422@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>	I don't understand your last sentence. I can say that we won't
>trade lots of program space (memory) for seldom used features. But then 
>we don't have any idea of what's important to you.
One of the things I liked with the CKermit source codes is that someone 
can compile them with or without the extra nifty features that it has to 
offer.  In effect we can get a smaller binary by removing all the 
unneeded features.  The MSKermit distribution contains two other versions 
that are "not complete" but I prefer to have the ability to just make my 
own decisions as to what should be included or not.

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>We have to manually press ^] and then type c to ... exit to DOS...

I don't know if there's a way to "automate" an exit to DOS, but alt-x
should work.

reflib@enh.nist.gov

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Ok.  I'm confused then.  Thanks.

Fast Cart
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Hi,
	Well, as you may guess, I managed to find the DOS version of Lynx.
I expected to find a program capable of supplying text retrieval from ANY
DOS machine, but instead, discovered that it requires an Ethernet card or its
substitutes.
	I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication? 
Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit?


 				Ran

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TNGLASS does not tell Kermit when the connection is broken, so Kermit
can't pop back to the prompt automatically.  In fact, Kermit does not
even know it's a TELNET connection.  Kermit's internal TCP/IP TELNET
implementation does exactly what you want, and goes faster and does
more things, but you can't run it at the same time as PC/TCP.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>,
 <br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu> wrote:
>Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from
>kermit.columbia.edu.
>These do not seem to be executables. Am I supposed to compile the
>binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where
>mskermit 3.13 is now.  Also before I bother upgrading,  if the server
>I conncet to, my University,  does not upgrade its version of Kermit
>on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you
>
It sounds like what you are really asking is, where can I get a newer
version of MS-DOS Kermit?

MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is in Beta test.  The "draft" distribution diskette
image is in a ZIP file, including the executables:

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin,
binary mode, file mstibm.zip.  Unzip with "-d" switch to preserve the
directory structure, read the top-level READ.ME file for installation
instructions.

- Frank


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Dale R. Worley (drw@runge.mit.edu) wrote:
: You just compile the correct directory into the executable.  It works
: quite reliably.

I *hate* programs with the directory compiled into the executable.

	1.   The "correct directory" is inevitably under the root 
	     directory, so the root directory listing is huge.  I
	     prefer to group applications by type.
        2.   Ever try to share an application across a network that
             demands to run from "C:\EGOTIST" and to find all of its
             configuration files there?  We have rejected several
	     software packages for this very reason.  

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In article <784644294snz@musicman.demon.co.uk>,
Scott Mordecai <scott@musicman.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Can anyone tell me where I should go to get the latest version of Kermit
>for MS-DOS? What server, filename, etc. is it?
>
kermit.columbia.edu.

The latest version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14 Beta, directory kermit/test/bin,
binary mode, file mstibm.zip.  Unzip with "-d" switch.

>Also, is the source code available?  Is it in 'C'?  Will it run on my ICL
>DRS6000 and my Siemens Nixdorf RM400 at work?  (Nearing in mind I have
>minimal skills in 'C' so I couldn't modify the code if I had to).
>
Aren't those UNIX machines?  Then just run C-Kermit on them.  I sounds like
you would be surprised to find out that Kermit programs are already written
to run on most kinds of computers and operating systems.

C-Kermit 5A(190) is on the same host, directory kermit/f.  Get the file
ckaaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there.

- Frank

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From: somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin)
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	I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and 
it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am 
search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt
1) startup kermit and dial a phone number
2) keep redialing if busy
3) once connected enter a username that I will provide.
4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide.
5) enter the line "slip default"
6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use 
NCSA's telnet

Ok second thing I am looking for is some some .ini files for a slip 
connection.

	I am would appreciate and help what so ever thank you
						Carlos


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From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)
Date: 13 Nov 1994 19:38:59 GMT
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As of 13 November 1994, C-Kermit 5A(190) is installed for real on
kermit.columbia.edu, replacing the previous version, 5A(189) of 30 June
1993.  This is the Kermit software for UNIX (all varieties), VMS, OS/2,
Stratus VOS, AOS/VS, OS-9, the Macintosh, the Commodore Amiga, and the
Atari ST.  Highlights of the new version are:

 . File transfer recovery from point of failure (binary-mode transfers
   only): UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, VOS, Amiga.

 . Massive improvements in the OS/2 version.

 . Totally new and full-featured implementations for QNX and Stratus VOS.

 . Support for many new OS releases: Solaris 2.3, AIX 4.1, Unixware 1.1,
   new releases of Linux, {Free,Net,etc}BSD, OpenVMS 6.x, etc etc...

 . Auto-upload/download/configuration/anything-else via APC mechanism:
   UNIX, VMS, OS/2.

 . Numerous improvements in performance, script programming, client/server
   protocol, character sets, file transfer display, dialing, etc.

C-Kermit 5A(190) is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu,
directory kermit/f (NOT kermit/b), also known as kermit/c-kermit, and
several other directories, as follows:

  kermit/f (= kermit/c-kermit) - FTP all files in text mode:
    Source code;
    Documentation files (.hlp, .nr, .upd, .bwr, .doc, etc);
    Initialization and script files (.ini, .kdd, .ksd, etc);
    ASCII-binaries except for VMS, UNIX, and OS/2:
      ckd190.uue - DG AOS/VS
      ckiker.boo - Amiga
      cklker.h68 - VOS 680x0
      cklker.h86 - VOS i860
      ckm190.hqx - Macintosh
      cksker.boo - Atari ST
      cksncp.boo - Atari ST (small version)

  kermit/bin - FTP all files in binary mode (except READ.ME):
    True binaries for UNIX, VMS, etc.  See the READ.ME for details.

  kermit/vmshex - FTP in text mode:
    VMS C-Kermit binaries in hex format, together with the decoding
    program, ckvdeh.mar.  See the READ.ME file for details.

  kermit/archives - FTP in binary mode unless otherwise indicated:
    cku190.tar.Z  - Compressed tar of C-Kermit source code & other files.
    cku190.tar.gz - Gzip'd tar of C-Kermit source code & other files.
    ckvsrc.hex    - (TEXT mode) VMS C-Kermit source BACKUP saveset.
    cko190.zip    - OS/2 C-Kermit distribution diskette image.

See kermit/f/ckc190.ann for a detailed list of changes in 5A(190).
See kermit/f/cko190.ann for new features of the OS/2 version.
For overviews of specific versions, see:

  kermit/f/ckaaaa.hlp - General C-Kermit overview
  kermit/f/ckdaaa.hlp - AOS/VS
  kermit/f/ckiaaa.hlp - Amiga
  kermit/f/cklaaa.hlp - Stratus VOS
  kermit/f/ckoaaa.hlp - OS/2
  kermit/f/ckuaaa.hlp - UNIX
  kermit/f/ckvaaa.hlp - VMS

The user manual, "Using C-Kermit", is recommended for everybody who wants
to make serious use of C-Kermit and to get the most out of it; remember
that manual sales are the primary source of support for the Kermit effort.
Call +1 212-3703 to order, or send email to kermit@columbia.edu for
further info.  A German-language edition is also available.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help With Transfer Rate
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In article <3a1q67$53m@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
> 
> Is it just me or am I missing something plainly obvious?  Here's what's
> going on:
> 
> I have MS-Kermit (v3.13) on a 386 over an ethernet connection.  On the
> host side, I'm running C-Kermit (5A(189)) on a Sun 4.  With the
> following settings I get a average CPS of about 8500 (or at least
> that's what the status bar on MSK says).
> 
> MS-Kermit               C-Kermit
> set flow none           set flow none
> set windows 3           set windows 3
> set send pack 5000      set send pack 5000
> set rec pack 5000       set rec pack 5000
>                         set file display none
>                         set file names literal
--------
	Something is not what it should be Jerry. 8.5K cps over Telnet is
far below what I see under similar circumstances. Between MSK and C Kermit
on a DEC Alpha I get around 85K cps, MSK to CK on a 386-33 Unix machine I 
get around 28K cps. 486-66 DX/2 machine for the MSK part.
	Suggestions are to upgrade the C Kermit side to 5A (190) where
significant speed improvments have occurred, and to have a careful look
at your Ethernet system to see if packets are being dropped. Note that
MSK has a 4KB TCP buffer so Kermit packets smaller than this are a more
natural fit (only a minor effect). I use 2KB packets and 4 window slots.
        Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: kermit on tnglass logout problem
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In article <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk>, s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) writes:
> We are trying to run kermit.exe (v3.12) on PCTCP (v. 2.3) tnglass 
> via Int 14.
> Now when we logout of the unix host, it will not come back to the
> DOS prompt straight-away (though we have put the keyword EXIT or
> PUSH at the end of the called kermit's .ini script)
> We have to manually press ^] and then type c to come out.
> Is there any method to automate this exit to DOS function at logout
> of the unix host ? 
---------------
	The interface provided by tnglass is the standard Bios Int 14h
for serial ports, and that lacks the notion of session status. Hence
Kermit does not know the Telnet session has ended. If you use Kermit's
own TCP/IP stack then it knows all about session status; the same is
true with FTP's utilities which are built to work with their stack.
	The simple keypress to exit Kermit connect mode is ALT-x, which
is easier to type than ESC ] c (though both work).
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit
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In article <Cz6GsK.wy@ariel.cs.yorku.ca>, cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) writes:
> In article <1994Nov9.195221.32422@cc.usu.edu>,
> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>>	I don't understand your last sentence. I can say that we won't
>>trade lots of program space (memory) for seldom used features. But then 
>>we don't have any idea of what's important to you.
> One of the things I liked with the CKermit source codes is that someone 
> can compile them with or without the extra nifty features that it has to 
> offer.  In effect we can get a smaller binary by removing all the 
> unneeded features.  The MSKermit distribution contains two other versions 
> that are "not complete" but I prefer to have the ability to just make my 
> own decisions as to what should be included or not.
> 
> -- 
> Archimedes L. Trajano        _/_/_/ _/   _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
> cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca  _/  _/ _/     _/  York University
> (IRC: Overdrive)           _/_/_/ _/     _/  Department of Computer Science
> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/  _/ _/_/_/ _/  North York, Ontario, Canada

------------
	We publlish the source code so you then have all the items at your
disposal for tailoring. Be aware that the patch file works only on the 
executables issued from Columbia.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts
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In article <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes:
> 	I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and 
> it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am 
> search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt
> 1) startup kermit and dial a phone number
> 2) keep redialing if busy
> 3) once connected enter a username that I will provide.
> 4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide.
> 5) enter the line "slip default"
> 6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use 
> NCSA's telnet
> 
> Ok second thing I am looking for is some some .ini files for a slip 
> connection.
> 
> 	I am would appreciate and help what so ever thank you
> 						Carlos
> 
---------
	Hmmm. Maybe we should tell you to complain to NCSA about the
lack of scripting etc in their product rather than us jumping through
hoops with ours to help you run theirs. 
	May I make two serious suggestions?
	1. Read the user's manual. It's there to help you generate your
own scripts.
	2. Use MS-DOS Kermit for Telnet. It's better, amongst other things.
	Joe D.

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Subject: Re: Pseudo-VMS C-Kermit?
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In article <1994Nov11.184506.77436@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> 	I'm trying to set up a new OS (TSX-Lite) on my 486.  It will run 
> DOS executables, but so far I have been unsuccessful in getting MS-Kermit
> to see the com port (TSX controlls the hardware.)

Hmm. I haven't had any trouble with MS-Kermit under TSX-Lite. However, I am
using an antique version MS-Kermit: 3.11. (Hi, Joe!)

>  Will one of the VMS 
> versions of C-Kermit work with this OS?  If so, which one, and how 
> difficult will it be to set up?

I don't think you'll have much luck with the VMS version of C-Kermit.
Although the OSes are conceptually similar, they are also quite different.

Your best bet for now would be to try to figure out why MS-Kermit won't work
on your system. I can ship you a copy of the 3.11 executable that I have been
using under TSX-Lite. I suppose I could also download the newer version so
that more people are working on the problem...
-- 
----------------+------------------------------------------------------
Roger Ivie      | Don't think of it as a 'new' computer, think of it as
ivie@cc.usu.edu |     'obsolete-ready'

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts
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In article <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin <somebody@prairienet.org> wrote:
>6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use 
>NCSA's telnet

This is the third time in a month that I have seen someone ask:

"How can I use Kermit so that I can use NCSA's telnet?"

Question:  Could someone please explain to me what it is that NCSA Telnet 
provides that MS-DOS Kermit and/or C-Kermit do not provide?

Much appreciated.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip 

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd
like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that
looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the
winsock interface.  I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver
below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the
same way over the dial-up versions of winsock.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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In article <Cz23H2.AJ6@discus.technion.ac.il>,
Chermesh Ran <chermesh@techunix.technion.ac.il> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>	Well, as you may guess, I managed to find the DOS version of Lynx.
>I expected to find a program capable of supplying text retrieval from ANY
>DOS machine, but instead, discovered that it requires an Ethernet card or its
>substitutes.
>	I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication? 
>Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit?
>
>
> 				Ran
>
>--
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From: cnordin@charm.net (Craig Nordin)
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Heres my .kermrc file, this should make C-Kermit happy.  You'll
do even better if you tune your local kermit accordingly.

With a little tuning you can get almost the same throughput as zmodem.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
set local off 
set flow rts
set buffer 50000 50000
set win 0
set send pac 4096
set rec pac 4096
set window 3 
set block 1
set file type bi
define rz !rz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sz !sz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sb !sb \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define rb !rb \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sx !sx \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define rx !rx \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------



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From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee)
Newsgroups: comp.os.lynx,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: FAQ: Lynx and Dialup
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chermesh@techunix.technion.ac.il (Chermesh Ran) writes:

>	I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication? 
>Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit?

I expect that lynx needs TCP/IP, not necessarily ethernet. Therefore,
on a dialup link, you should use SLIP or PPP after you log in with Kermit.
Once the SLIP or PPP link is established, lynx will work.

Roland Kwee   <rolandkwee@acm.org>

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From: somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin)
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Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts
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Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
: In article <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes:
: > 	I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and 
: > it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am 
: > search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt
: > 1) startup kermit and dial a phone number
: > 2) keep redialing if busy
: > 3) once connected enter a username that I will provide.
: > 4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide.
: > 5) enter the line "slip default"
: > 6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use 
: > NCSA's telnet
: > 
: > Ok second thing I am looking for is some some .ini files for a slip 
: > connection.
: > 
: > 	I am would appreciate and help what so ever thank you
: > 						Carlos
: > 
: ---------
: 	Hmmm. Maybe we should tell you to complain to NCSA about the
: lack of scripting etc in their product rather than us jumping through
: hoops with ours to help you run theirs. 
	Not really many hopes but the in general I didn't seem to find 
much insight on using kermit for slip. Yes I did see the article with the 
docs.
	I wanted to complain I would do so. BTW this wasn't a complaint 
if your ego is too fragile to handle it sorry. But it was a request for 
information.
	
: 	May I make two serious suggestions?
: 	1. Read the user's manual. It's there to help you generate your
: own scripts.
I have read the manual and have gotten a small feel for kermit scripting 
but I would not consider myself a pro at this and I am sure there many 
people out there who are very good at this.Ergo instead of trying a hack 
at it myself I figure I wouldn't post a to a news groups that would 
know better. If you don't proclaim to know better keep you comments to 
yourself!: 	
	2. Use MS-DOS Kermit for Telnet. It's better, amongst other things. 
: 	Joe D.

To this all I can say is I use what works. First I want to get a 
something working that works and I know. The tinker with something new. I 
am sure you would agree it's better to have a old car in working order 
than a new Cadillac (or what have you) sitting in the garage requiring 
you to figure the firing order for it. Regardless I do plan to 
evidentually move to ms-dos kermit. 
	"It's better, amongst other things." Lacks any evidence or 
support if you care to support you claims please do so. I am eager to 
hear about it's better benefits afterall being new to Kermit some insight 
you be beneficial.
	LAST OF ALL. What the point of this news group if not to answer 
the questions and queries of the less knowledgable. 

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-12 Ready
Date: 15 Nov 1994 00:03:56 GMT
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-12 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of about 5pm EST, 14 November 1994.

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes since Beta-11 include:

- Additional RTS/CTS and SET CARRIER ON fixes and enforcement.  Heavy
  testing needed (more of it...)

- Kanji terminal emulation completed.  Use MS-DOS Kermit on regular IBM PCs
  with EGA or VGA or higher and DOS/V to read Kanji (fj.*) newsgroups, access
  the Nikkei Telecom database, use other host-based Kanji applications like
  e-mail, etc.  Transfer Kanji text files between PC and host without garbling
  the characters (Shift-JIS to JIS conversion), etc.  Many thanks to Hirofumi
  Fujii for this work.

- Cyrillic font fixed; "e" is no longer displayed as "c" (thanks to Yossi Gil
  at the Technion for getting this fixed so promptly).  Russian keyboard
  drivers (thanks to Dimitri Vulis) and documentation added.  If you have an
  8-bit-clean host-based newsreader, simply type "cyrillic" at the MS-Kermit>
  prompt, and then browse the relcom.* newsgroups (assumes postings are in
  KOI8, but Kermit can also handle ISO 8859-5 and Short KOI).  See
  CYRILLIC\READ.ME for details.
  
- Compose u-circumflex fixed (required reading in Canada :-)

- SET KEY capacity increased to 269 key definitions, 256 string definitions,
  and 2000 bytes of string space.

- WPGGOLD.COM added, an alternative to GOLD.COM, allowing Num Lock to
  be used as a regular key with its own unique scan code (\325).  VT300.INI
  updated to account for this scan code.  Thanks to Novell's new WordPerfect
  Division for this contribution.

- EMACS.INI added: key mappings for EMACS users, primarily allowing the
  Alt key to be used as the EMACS Meta key.

Thanks, as ever, to Joe Doupnik for his skillful work and for integrating the
work of the others acknowledged above.

Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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From: soren@aztec.co.za (Soren Aalto)
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In article <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:

>Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd
>like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that
>looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the
>winsock interface.  I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver
>below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the
>same way over the dial-up versions of winsock.

Well, I've thought about this one, and I'd have to say that the
blunt answer is no.

I am working on some things like this--you'd have to go the route 
of running Winsock over a packet driver & then using a shim
like pktmux to split off virtual packet drivers.  I suppose you
could run slp16550 or etherppp packet drivers outside of Windows.
Otherwise you'd have to write an implementation of SLIP or PPP
that communicates with some kind of TSR stub in the System VM
that makes it look like the packets from the dial-up connection
are comming out of a packet driver.

In short, this is pretty yecchy.

Soren


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From: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk (Scott Mordecai)
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>        Don't touch them! MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 is in beta testing; it is
>not release level material yet. Please wait for the formal announcement
>then follow instructions in that message.

Any idea how far away this will be?

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3a6nmm$k5k@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>, rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) writes:
> chermesh@techunix.technion.ac.il (Chermesh Ran) writes:
> 
>>	I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication? 
>>Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit?
> 
> I expect that lynx needs TCP/IP, not necessarily ethernet. Therefore,
> on a dialup link, you should use SLIP or PPP after you log in with Kermit.
> Once the SLIP or PPP link is established, lynx will work.
> 
> Roland Kwee   <rolandkwee@acm.org>
------------
	Greg Seibert @ lynx.com points out that the "lynx" above refers to a
WWW browser. That's hardly the business Kermit programs are in.
        Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions.
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In article <1994Nov14.075525.33863@miavx1>, kacovert@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Kent Covert) writes:
> In article <1994Nov11.183525.77435@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>> Note that I've never seen kermit use more than one window, though.
> 
> Actually, I think that the Mac version of Kermit reports this incorrectly. 
> I've never seen the Mac version report anything higher than 1 also.  But,
> if you issue the STATUS command on the server after a transfer, you'll
> usually find that the server reports using more than 1.
> 
-----------
	You are both right, but maybe not for the reasons you think.
	With Columbia Kermits the receiver shows how many packets have
been recognized as packets and are being processed. If packets arrive
in order with none missing then one at a time is processed as bytes are 
read from the comms channel; we see one window slot in use. Other bytes
may still be in the comms channel (includes receiver's port buffer) but 
not yet parsed as a packet.
	If a packet is damaged or really missing then the out of
order packets are recognized and stashed away while the receiver still
tries to find the desired (but missing) packet. Then the number of
window slots in use grows. Kermit uses "selective repeat" sliding windows
so only the missing packet(s) needs to be retransmitted.
	The status command should show the number of window slots
available, rather than just the number used. But I have no Mac to see
what's what on it. MS-DOS Kermit shows the "active out of available"
number on the formatted file transfer display.
	The transmitter is given permission to send all window slots
worth of packets. It does so, but between each it takes a very quick
peek at the comms channel to see if enough bytes have arrived to
constitute a possible acknowledgment. If there are enough then it is
read and processed on the fly. Thus the transmitter may show many (two
or more) window slots in use even under ideal conditions as it waits for
ACKs from the other side.
	Quiz Friday. Homework: what might a receiver say about a missing
packet? Hint: as little as possible, but...
	Joe D.

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From: degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu (Brian Degregorio)
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Subject: Terminal Emulation
Date: 15 Nov 1994 12:25:25 GMT
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Does any one know where I can find .ini files to setup MSKermit for 
IBM3164 and FOX terminal emulations.  If they don't exist can any one help 
me with creating them. Thanks.

				Brian Degregorio
				degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu



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From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-12 breaks Int 14h redirection
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I have been using Int 14h redirection with MS-Kermit successfully
up to and including 3.14/Beta-11.  However, Beta-12 doesn't connect.
The redirectors I use are:
	FTP Software TNGLASS.EXE v2.3
	NCSA NET14.EXE

Thank you,
Daniel Lewart
d-lewart@uiuc.edu

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From: Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi)
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Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts
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In article <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>
           somebody@prairienet.org "Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin" writes:

>        I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and 
>it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am 
>search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt
>1) startup kermit and dial a phone number
>2) keep redialing if busy
The DIAL command already does this
>3) once connected enter a username that I will provide.
>4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide.
>5) enter the line "slip default"
I've altered the DIAL so that the last field is NOT a comment but the name
of the SCRIPT file which is run AFTER the DIAL has finished.
>6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use 
>NCSA's telnet
Since you are using MS-Kermit to dial up WHY do you need to use a different
telnet program? MS-Kermit has a very good one already!
Mike
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From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse)
Subject: Re: kermit on tnglass logout problem
Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:50:50 GMT
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In <1994Nov12.200425.32637@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:

> In article <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk>, s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) writes:
> > Now when we logout of the unix host, it will not come back to the
> > DOS prompt straight-away (though we have put the keyword EXIT or
> > PUSH at the end of the called kermit's .ini script)
(..)
> Kermit does not know the Telnet session has ended. If you use Kermit's
> own TCP/IP stack then it knows all about session status; the same is
> true with FTP's utilities which are built to work with their stack.
> 	The simple keypress to exit Kermit connect mode is ALT-x, which
> is easier to type than ESC ] c (though both work).

Putting 
	connect
	quit
in your ini-file, makes Alt-X behave like 'end session & quit'. If you
always use the same command to log out from your host, say 'exit' you
also can try a sequence like:
	connect
	output exit\13
	quit

very handy for 'canned' sessions.

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From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit)
Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)
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In article <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>, Ralphe Neill
(ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au) wrote:

>Re "C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)" in
>comp.protocols.kermit.announce - the makefile appears to be missing
>from the cku190.tar.gz archive.

    Huh???  I just grabbed that file a few days ago, and everything was
    in it, including the makefile.  Everything seemed to be fine--
    built a working Kermit with no problems.

    					Jeff

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From: dchou@ncoast.org (David Chou)
Subject: Kermit 3.14 beta 10 hangs
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I am experiencing periodic hangs with the latest version of MS-Kermit
with garbage.  I have seen this on two processors which have little in
common except that both have 16550 serial UARTS.  One board is a 386/33
AMI Mark II based system; the second is a 90MHz Pentium AMI board.  Both
have had the problem when junk is received.  The problem is cleared throug
the alt-= reset function in Kermit.

Dave Chou

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Terminal Emulation
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In article <3aa9bl$1bva@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu>, degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu (Brian Degregorio) writes:
> Does any one know where I can find .ini files to setup MSKermit for 
> IBM3164 and FOX terminal emulations.  If they don't exist can any one help 
> me with creating them. Thanks.
> 
> 				Brian Degregorio
> 				degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu
------------
	Terminal emulation doesn't work via .ini files, as you probably
know. There is no support for either of the terminals above, unless they
happen to emulate one of the text terminals already present in MS-DOS Kermit:
VT320/220/102/100/52, Heath-19, Data General D470/D463, Wyse-50, Honeywell 
VIP7809, Prime PT200. Adding a new terminal type is generally a fairly
serious undertaking, not to mention a memory consumer.
	Joe D.

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From: ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Ralphe Neill)
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Re "C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)" in comp.protocols.kermit.announce -
the makefile appears to be missing from the cku190.tar.gz archive.

Sorry for the posting but mail to Frank da Cruz is bouncing.

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From: ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Ralphe Neill)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)
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>jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes:

>>In article <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>, Ralphe Neill
>>(ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au) wrote:

>>>Re "C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)" in
>>>comp.protocols.kermit.announce - the makefile appears to be missing
>>>from the cku190.tar.gz archive.

>>    Huh???  I just grabbed that file a few days ago, and everything was
>>    in it, including the makefile.  Everything seemed to be fine--
>>    built a working Kermit with no problems.

I have re-FTP'd it and the archive is, indeed, complete. Don't ask me
what went wrong with the first copy because I have no idea! Apologies
if I have misled anybody ...

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-12 breaks Int 14h redirection
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In article <lewart.784934636@rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu>, d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes:
> I have been using Int 14h redirection with MS-Kermit successfully
> up to and including 3.14/Beta-11.  However, Beta-12 doesn't connect.
> The redirectors I use are:
> 	FTP Software TNGLASS.EXE v2.3
> 	NCSA NET14.EXE
> 
> Thank you,
> Daniel Lewart
> d-lewart@uiuc.edu
---------------
	Are you really sure? I ask that because it's worked fine before
and I just ran a check with the latest FTP stack and it's TNGLASS, using
MSK beta-12, and it worked perfectly.
	Recall that with these Int 14h guys Kermit does not TCP/IP work
at all. The underlying TCP/IP stack connects and such. Be sure that the
active port selection for Kermit is BIOS1 and that you do NOT have
SET CARRIER ON (make sure it's OFF).
	Joe D.

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From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-12 breaks Int 14h redirection
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jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>	Are you really sure? I ask that because it's worked fine before
> and I just ran a check with the latest FTP stack and it's TNGLASS, using
> MSK beta-12, and it worked perfectly.

Yes.  My redirectors are FTP 2.3 TNGLASS and NCSA 2.3.08 NET14.
MS-Kermit 3.13 and 3.14/Beta-N, where N <= 11, work with both of them.
3.14/Beta-12 connects, but the screen stays blank with both of them.

>	Recall that with these Int 14h guys Kermit does not TCP/IP work
> at all. The underlying TCP/IP stack connects and such. Be sure that the
> active port selection for Kermit is BIOS1 and that you do NOT have
> SET CARRIER ON (make sure it's OFF).

I have kermit.exe (3.14/Beta-12), mskermit.ini (below is a stripped-
down version), and msvibm.exe (3.13) all in the current directory.
My commands with the FTP stack are as follows:
	tnglass myhost -e msvibm
	tnglass myhost -e kermit

The first works; the second fails.

Thank you,
Daniel Lewart
d-lewart@uiuc.edu
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
set port bios1                          ; Int 14H redirection
if not < version 314 set carrier off    ; Default anyway
connect
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit Script for Creatix Modem
Date: 17 Nov 1994 08:41:03 GMT
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Has anybody made a script for the Creatix modem (Version SG144, maybe an 
earlier version might work as well)? This modem seems to be quite popular 
in Germany.
--
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85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY    

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From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
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I am using MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta-12, but this command-line completion bug
has been around for a while.  The following add extra stuff on the end:
	set parity e<Esc>
	set parity m<Esc>
	set parity n<Esc>
	set parity o<Esc>
	set parity s<Esc>
For example, "set parity n<Esc>" gives:
	set parity none (8-bit data)  _
This should be:
	set parity none_
where the underscore is the cursor.

Thank you,
Daniel Lewart
d-lewart@uiuc.edu

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Subject: Re: Backspace
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mtdesert@saturn.caps.maine.edu (MDIHS) writes:

>Now how do I get backspace key on my DOS machine to actually backpace 
>instead of printing ^D.  I'm on PC, MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12, VT320 
>emulation.  I've never been able to get backspace to work with previous 
>Kermits either, though I'm sure it's a very simple thing to do...
>It gets old ^Uing all of my command line mistakes.
>Thanks for any help.
>-mdi

The MSKERMIT.INI normally re-defines the backspace key (_bs) as \127, not as 
\4 = ^D as in your case. You can easily experiment with key definitions by 
entering "sh key" and "set key" from the MS-Kermit prompt. Maybe there 
are good reasons for your ^D configuration of the backspace key. If your 
remote computer runs UNIX, you can simply enter
  stty erase KEYSTROKE
with KEYSTROKE meaning, press your backspace key, and whatever its key 
definition, it will then work correctly at the command line (without 
changing the key's function in application programs).
--
Peter Schmolck                                p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de
Department of Education                       Phone :     +49-89-6004-2056
Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich      Fax   :     +49-89-6004-3968
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From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck)
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jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:


>Question:  Could someone please explain to me what it is that NCSA Telnet 
>provides that MS-DOS Kermit and/or C-Kermit do not provide?

>Much appreciated.

I'm interested in that question, too, since I'm going to change from 
serial-to-terminal-server to full TCP/IP connection shortly. At the 
moment I have nearly no practice with Kermit's telnet but some practice 
with NCSA telnet. 

The advantages of NCSA telnet I am aware of, are:

* Copy/Paste function implemented; in Kermit I need Windows to do that.
* ftp: This does not necessitate to start a server program at the remote 
       computer (if that is a PC it just needs to be in a NCSA telnet 
       session with ftp allowed). One cannot do anonymous ftp from the PC 
       with Kermit (right?)

There are *many* advantages of Kermit, of course, like superb terminal 
emulations, automatic character-translations, etc. And, compared to ftp, 
Kermit filetransfer has also advantages I specifically appreciate: It 
can transfer the time stamps, and with "file collision update" (new for 
MS-Kermit in Version 3.14) I can easily update backup copies of 
multiple files on different computers.

Further comments?

Regards,
Peter
--
Peter Schmolck                                p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de
Department of Education                       Phone :     +49-89-6004-2056
Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich      Fax   :     +49-89-6004-3968
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In article <Pine.A32.3.90a.941117093309.35094B-100000@arad.bgu.ac.il>, chermesh@bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh) writes:
> Hi,
> 	I tried to run kermit ver. 3.14 thru my win3.1 menu using the
> kermit.pif from the last release. Well, I failed. When I opened the pif,
> I saw that it was labelled as a ver. 3.13 pif and that it called a 
> MSTIBM.EXE file.
> 	My qestions:
> 1. Was there a change in pif specification between ver. 3.13 and ver. 3.14?
> 2. What is this MSTIBM.EXE? Should I replace it with KERMIT.EXE
------------
	First, I strongly suggest you go back to MSK v3.13 until v3.14
is released. The current beta period is for shaking out bugs, where
changes still occur, and the final bundle of distribution files is still
fluid. MSK 3.14 has not yet reached release (but will very soon).
	Second, the filename you reference is what Windows wants to run
when the icon is clicked. Choose a filename that's appropriate.
	Joe D.

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In article <3af6pi$1iq@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>,
Peter Schmolck <p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> wrote:
>jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
>
>
>>Question:  Could someone please explain to me what it is that NCSA Telnet 
>>provides that MS-DOS Kermit and/or C-Kermit do not provide?

>I'm interested in that question, too, since I'm going to change from 
>serial-to-terminal-server to full TCP/IP connection shortly. At the 
>moment I have nearly no practice with Kermit's telnet but some practice 
>with NCSA telnet. 
>
>The advantages of NCSA telnet I am aware of, are:
>
>* Copy/Paste function implemented; in Kermit I need Windows to do that.

Understood.  This functionality is available in C-Kermit for OS/2 but not 
MS-DOS Kermit.

>* ftp: This does not necessitate to start a server program at the remote 
>       computer (if that is a PC it just needs to be in a NCSA telnet 
>       session with ftp allowed). One cannot do anonymous ftp from the PC 
>       with Kermit (right?)

Well, of course a server is required.  You just don't have to start it.  
But if the server daemon (ftpd) is not running you won't be able to perform 
any file transfers at all.  But of course you can't perform an anonymous 
ftp with Kermit.  Most tcp/ip stacks come with an ftp program though.

However, for remote transfers from the PC, Kermit can always be placed in
Server mode.

>There are *many* advantages of Kermit, of course, like superb terminal 
>emulations, automatic character-translations, etc. And, compared to ftp, 
>Kermit filetransfer has also advantages I specifically appreciate: It 
>can transfer the time stamps, and with "file collision update" (new for 
>MS-Kermit in Version 3.14) I can easily update backup copies of 
>multiple files on different computers.

Correct.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip 

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From: chermesh@bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh)
Subject: Kermit 3.14, DOSLYNX and dialup
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
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Hi,
	Is it possible to run doslynx through kermit from a dialup connection?
Appreciate a reply.

			Ran

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From: chermesh@bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh)
Subject: MSTIBM.EXE and KERMIT.PIF
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
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Hi,
	I tried to run kermit ver. 3.14 thru my win3.1 menu using the
kermit.pif from the last release. Well, I failed. When I opened the pif,
I saw that it was labelled as a ver. 3.13 pif and that it called a 
MSTIBM.EXE file.
	My qestions:
1. Was there a change in pif specification between ver. 3.13 and ver. 3.14?
2. What is this MSTIBM.EXE? Should I replace it with KERMIT.EXE

			Ran

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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()==)         Beer-Sheva                     Israel                     (==()
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After checking $status after several C-Kermit sessions I realized
that the exit status ends up in ckermit_status.

I'm running 5A(190) BETA.17 for OpenVMS AXP (and also a similar
version on a VAX).

Is this the standard symbol for the result?  I couldn't find reference
to ckermit_status in the Using C-Kermit book anywhere.

	Erik
--
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Can anyone give me a clue about sending a *.zip file from unix host to pc?
I type kermit, at prompt send filename, shell to dos prompt and startup
kermit on pc. Binary 7 bit transfer is set in .kermrc and verified by
show command. Host uses 7 bit protocol so I'm forced to use kermit (if itwas
 8 bit I'd have my choice of software).

anyway receive works fine (from pc to host), but send gets aborted
too quick for me to see the error message. 

email or post would be appreciated. 

Joe


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I'm looking for the same thing... 
But right now I'd dettle for the NDIS/PktDrvr shim. Do you know where I 
can find it? 
Thanks!

On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote:

> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd
> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that
> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the
> winsock interface.  I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver
> below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the
> same way over the dial-up versions of winsock.
> 
> Les Mikesell
>   les@mcs.com
> 
> 

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>On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote:
>
>> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd
>> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that
>> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the
>> winsock interface.  I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver
>> below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the
>> same way over the dial-up versions of winsock.
>> 
>> Les Mikesell
>>   les@mcs.com

A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not 
protocol independent.  The best you could possibly hope for would be a 
Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through 
WinSock.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
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In article <1994Nov17.130348.1694@apgea.army.mil>,
Joseph E. Eisenmeier <jeeisenm> <jeeisenm> wrote:
>Can anyone give me a clue about sending a *.zip file from unix host to pc?
>I type kermit, at prompt send filename, shell to dos prompt and startup
>kermit on pc. Binary 7 bit transfer is set in .kermrc and verified by
>show command. Host uses 7 bit protocol so I'm forced to use kermit (if itwas
> 8 bit I'd have my choice of software).
>
>anyway receive works fine (from pc to host), but send gets aborted
>too quick for me to see the error message. 
>

What software are you using on the PC side of the connection?

If you are not using MS-DOS Kermit, I would suggest that you do.  Many other 
software packages that claim Kermit protocol support are very selective 
about which parts of the protocol definition they implement.

We need more info to help.


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
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In article <CzF5so.9qK@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu> ennisj@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jay Ennis) writes:

>Does anyone know where I might find a specification for Zmodem?  Is it even
>written down?

I don't believe there is one (Nothing like the Kermit Protocol Manual, for 
example). Most people implement it by porting the public domain code by 
Forsberg available on many FTP sites.  You will find some written stuff by 
Forsberg at those same sites, but it is not complete, you still need to read 
the code.  Thats all I found for my implementation (written from scratch for 
non-C environment).

Tim Kientzle (kientzle@netcom.com) is currently writing a book which should
be a complete ZModem spec.  Hopefully, that will be available soon.  (I 
reviewed an early version of his spec and it sure would have helped me if I 
had had it in the beginning of my implementation.)


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From: lkadams@acs.ucalgary.ca (Larson Keith Adams)
Subject: Help with flow rate
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I'm having real problems.  Transferring via a 14400, I cannot get
above 300cps.  Is the problem at the host (packet length set at
1000) or on my home system (WinComm Pro...doesn't seem to be much
in the way of settings).  If any Kermit wizards out there could
mail me and help me speed this thing up, I would be grateful.

Keith
lkadams@engg.ucalgary.ca

ps...our system administrator is no help at all

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.941118031532.9000A-100000@soleil>, Frank  O'Connor <oconnor@acomp.usf.edu> writes:
> I'm looking for the same thing... 
> But right now I'd dettle for the NDIS/PktDrvr shim. Do you know where I 
> can find it? 
> Thanks!
> 
> On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote:
> 
>> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd
>> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that
>> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the
>> winsock interface.  I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver
>> below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the
>> same way over the dial-up versions of winsock.
>> 
>> Les Mikesell
>>   les@mcs.com
------------
	The shim comes from me, Les. Dis_pkt9.zip in directory drivers
on netlab2.usu.edu, and this will also be in the MSK 3.14 distribution.
	Joe D.

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Anyone know where I could get a user's manual or possibly a FAQ for Kermit?
-- 
Gary S. Mortensen                                          GARYM@CC.USU.EDU
"You can't achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd." - Unknown
"If you know what you're doing, you're not learning anything." - Unknown

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Can anyone help?

I am trying to download a file from a DEC VAX using KERMIT-32
to my home Macintosh using the Kermit protocol supplied with
my Comms software, VICOM Connect. I can't seem to get the two
to connect. The direction of a FAQ for this and other elementary
problems would be greatly appreciatted.

Any replies or E-Mail on this subject gratefully recieved.

Thanks, Andrew

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From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman)
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Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads.
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In article <1994Nov17.125037@clstac>,
Kevin Anthony Stanchfield <kastanchfiel@csupomona.edu> wrote:
>
>I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through
>a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca.  The system at Cal Poly 
>is a VAX.  I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files.  Even 
>after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends.  My terminal is set to 
>9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on 
>port 2.  Can someone help?
>
>Thank You.
>
Since your terminal is set to 7N1, I assume that you do not have a full
8-bit path to your host.  I would surmise that neither of your Kermits
knows this.  Have you tried doing a

SET PARITY SPACE

on both ends before doing the binary transfers?  This has the effect
of telling the Kermits that the high-bit cannot be used for data and
that "8th-bit-quoting" must be used.  Hence, you'll get 8-bit data thru
your 7-bit data path.

Good luck!
-- 
Mike Freeman            |       Internet: mikef@pacifier.com
GEnie: M.FREEMAN11      |       Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ
... "Innovation is hard to schedule." -- Dan Fylstra

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <1994Nov17.125037@clstac>, kastanchfiel@csupomona.edu (Kevin Anthony Stanchfield) writes:
> I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through
> a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca.  The system at Cal Poly 
> is a VAX.  I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files.  Even 
> after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends.  My terminal is set to 
> 9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on 
> port 2.  Can someone help?
> 
> Thank You.
---------
	There was a bug in MSK 3.14 beta prior to 12, a side effect of
adding the "whatami" feature. The resulting transmission mode ended
up being text no matter what.
	May I suggest to testers that when you do find a bug please
try the current beta to see if it's been fixed.

	Items underway for the next beta:
	Certain operations with string substitution were confused when
\fname appears and the name isn't one of the \fxxx() functions. Fixed.
	Still questions on RTS/CTS, to be investigated this weekend.
	Set Parity blah<ESC> shows extra "(8 data bits)" tag. Yes, I
may change that.
	Joe D.

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:

: The user manual, "Using C-Kermit", is recommended for everybody who wants
: to make serious use of C-Kermit and to get the most out of it; remember
: that manual sales are the primary source of support for the Kermit effort.
: Call +1 212-3703 to order, or send email to kermit@columbia.edu for
: further info.  A German-language edition is also available.

But I can't dial that phone number from my location ;-)
Here I sit, AmEx in hand... 

Perhaps you meant to say:
          Tel.  +1 212 854-3703

Oh, bummer, VISA or MasterCard only.

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor)
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Hi-

Last night (11/19/94) I grabbed ckuker.att7300 (don't laugh, it's paid 
for & I've got 4 spares) from kermit.columbia.edu.  It's about 90K bigger 
than the 5A(189) which I have been using for ~~6 months, but when run, 
insists that it is 5A(189), not 5A(190) as expected.  

Is this some cruel hoax or just another example of the complete lack of 
respect granted to users of the much maligned UNIXPC.  Or did some 
overworked programmer overlook the need to change the banner.  Or, most 
likely have I once again put my foot in it? <G>

Bill

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3ajd80$2qv@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net> writes:
> Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
> 
> : The user manual, "Using C-Kermit", is recommended for everybody who wants
> : to make serious use of C-Kermit and to get the most out of it; remember
> : that manual sales are the primary source of support for the Kermit effort.
> : Call +1 212-3703 to order, or send email to kermit@columbia.edu for
> : further info.  A German-language edition is also available.
> 
> But I can't dial that phone number from my location ;-)
> Here I sit, AmEx in hand... 
> 
> Perhaps you meant to say:
>           Tel.  +1 212 854-3703
	    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^------ correct.
 
> Oh, bummer, VISA or MasterCard only.
	Rats. We can't win sometimes.
	Joe D. 
> -- 
> ---
> Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
>                 - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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In article <wpfulmorCzIxxy.6EH@netcom.com>, wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) writes:
> Hi-
> 
> Last night (11/19/94) I grabbed ckuker.att7300 (don't laugh, it's paid 
> for & I've got 4 spares) from kermit.columbia.edu.  It's about 90K bigger 
> than the 5A(189) which I have been using for ~~6 months, but when run, 
> insists that it is 5A(189), not 5A(190) as expected.  
> 
> Is this some cruel hoax or just another example of the complete lack of 
> respect granted to users of the much maligned UNIXPC.  Or did some 
> overworked programmer overlook the need to change the banner.  Or, most 
> likely have I once again put my foot in it? <G>
------------
	C Kermit builds to file "wermit" so you can rename it to a convenient
spelling later (without losing your older Kermit). "ls -l" tells all. This 
C Kermit works ok on my Unix PC.
	Joe D.

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I think CKERMIT_STATUS contains the values listed on page 324 in table I-1.

scott
burns@burns.decus.org


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From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: C-kermit -ix and binary transfers (not working)
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I am having some trouble sending binary files from the UNIX machine at
school  to my OS/2 system at home. Here is what happens: 

1. If I type kermit -ix, escape back to my OS/2 Ckermit, and then type
'get file.zip', my OS/2 C-kermit starts receiving the file but announces
that the FILE TYPE is "TEXT (no translation)". Huh?

2. If I start kermit with no command line options, type 
'set file type binary' at the C-kermit prompt, type 'send file.zip',
escape back to the OS/2 C-kermit and then type 'receive' my OS/2
C-kermit recieves the file and tells me the FILE TYPE is BINARY. 


Why does 2 work while 1 does not? Shouldn't the '-ix' force all file
transfers to be binary? I used to have NO trouble (before I installed
the current version of the Unix C-kermit). 

The Unix C-kermit is 

   C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x
    Copyright (C) 1985, 1994,
    
while the OS/2 kermit is

C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.23, 18 Sep 94, for OS/2 2.11 32-bit
 Numeric: 501190

                        Thanks, Adam H. Leweneberg
                                          adam@math.uiuc.edu
-- 
University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics
INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu   or    a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu


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In article <CzIvzo.Kqu@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) writes:
> Hello,
> 
>   I hope use MS-Kermit [3.14 beta-12 14 nov 1994] with telnet.
> 
>   Actually, I use Pathworks v5.0 and load TCPIP via file STARNET.BAT.
>   (DIS_PKT9 is included into file template CFG*.TPL)
> 
>   My problem is:
>   ----------------------------------------------------------------
>     MS-Kermit> telnet 131.195.1.28
>      Resolving address of host 131.195.1.28 ...
> 
>      Unable to ARP resolve 131.195.1.28
>      Unable to contact the host
>      The host may be down or a gateway may be needed
>   -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>   remark: I test
>           c:\> arp 131.195.1.28     o.k.
>           c:\> ping 131.195.1.28    o.k.
>           c:\> ftp 131.195.1.28     o.k.
>           c:\> SETHOST  ...         o.k.
> 
>    Do you have hint for my ARP problem with MS-Kermit ?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Gilles Ratel
> Email: ratel@toka.ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca
-------------
	I'll guess you still have Pathworks running over TCP/IP when
you used Kermit.

	One may have only one protocol stack of a given kind running over a 
board at one time. 

	Try again without the Pathworks TCP/IP stack going, or run Kermit over 
the top of Pathworks.
	Joe D.

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Hello,

  I hope use MS-Kermit [3.14 beta-12 14 nov 1994] with telnet.

  Actually, I use Pathworks v5.0 and load TCPIP via file STARNET.BAT.
  (DIS_PKT9 is included into file template CFG*.TPL)

  My problem is:
  ----------------------------------------------------------------
    MS-Kermit> telnet 131.195.1.28
     Resolving address of host 131.195.1.28 ...

     Unable to ARP resolve 131.195.1.28
     Unable to contact the host
     The host may be down or a gateway may be needed
  -----------------------------------------------------------------

  remark: I test
          c:\> arp 131.195.1.28     o.k.
          c:\> ping 131.195.1.28    o.k.
          c:\> ftp 131.195.1.28     o.k.
          c:\> SETHOST  ...         o.k.

   Do you have hint for my ARP problem with MS-Kermit ?


Thanks in advance,

Gilles Ratel
Email: ratel@toka.ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca

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Larson Keith Adams (lkadams@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
: I'm having real problems.  Transferring via a 14400, I cannot get
: above 300cps.  Is the problem at the host (packet length set at
: 1000) or on my home system (WinComm Pro...doesn't seem to be much
: in the way of settings). 

You may have problems in both . The immediate problem is your WinComm
Pro . It is using 64 bit packes and 1 at a time . I would suggest getting
MS-Kermit . If WinComm Pro supports external protocols , follow the 
instructions on how to do that . Otherwise use MS-Kermit as the 
term program also.
-- 
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: DEC VAX to home terminal problem
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In article <3akqj6$r8h@beta.qmw.ac.uk>, andrew27@vaxb.mdx.ac.uk writes:
> Can anyone help?
> 
> I am trying to download a file from a DEC VAX using KERMIT-32
> to my home Macintosh using the Kermit protocol supplied with
> my Comms software, VICOM Connect. I can't seem to get the two
> to connect. The direction of a FAQ for this and other elementary
> problems would be greatly appreciatted.
---------
	Common maladies:
	Wrong parity, so the sides don't match (they must match)
	Insufficient flow control
	Specifying the wrong kind (Binary, Text) of file mode

	Please inform your VAX administrator that everyone would be
much better off if Kermit-32 were deleted and C Kermit 5A were
installed. See kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin for ckv*.exe,
and cd kermit/b for all text files.
        I have no Macs, nor have I heard of "VICOM Connect."
	Joe D.

e NO trouble (before I installed
> the current version of the Unix C-kermit). 
> 
> The Unix C-kermit is 
> 
>    C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x
>     Copyright (C) 1985, 1994,
>     
> while the OS/2 kermit is
> 
> C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.23, 18 Sep 94, for OS/2 2.11 32-bit
>  Numeric: 501190
-----------
	I believe the release notes for C Kermit explain that the
client now controls file TYPE via the SET FILE TYPE command given
on the client. It's part of file attributes, named the "whatami"
component, where the client informs the server of its binary/text
state. It's a step forward, really.
	Joe D.

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Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop.
Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest
versions of Kermit have this already?
Dave.

-- 
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s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au

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In article <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU>, s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (David Anthony Sexton) writes:
> Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop.
> Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest
> versions of Kermit have this already?
> Dave.
---------
	Please wait for the formal release. No, no frogs in the icon. Maybe
you want to create your own.
	Joe D.

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In article <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 
says...

>A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not 
>protocol independent.  The best you could possibly hope for would be a 
>Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through 
>WinSock.

Actually, it could probably be done by filtering out the non TCP/IP
functionality, but it would be a very complicated bit of engineering.
You would likely have to write some nasty DOS interrupt redirection
code which would allow the DOS program to communicate directly to a native Windows 
WINSOCK application via the packet driver interrupt.  The WINSOCK application 
would act as a type of pass-through tunnel for the DOS application.  This may 
require the use of a custom VXD, I'm not sure.  I briefly looked into this but I 
have decided that my skill sets are not quite at a level required for this task.

Any takers.

Brian.

P.S. I was looking into this for Network DOOM.

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In article <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net>, bangus@hookup.net (Brian F. Angus) writes:
> 
> 
> In article <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 
> says...
> 
>>A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not 
>>protocol independent.  The best you could possibly hope for would be a 
>>Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through 
>>WinSock.
> 
> Actually, it could probably be done by filtering out the non TCP/IP
> functionality, but it would be a very complicated bit of engineering.
> You would likely have to write some nasty DOS interrupt redirection
> code which would allow the DOS program to communicate directly to a native Windows 
> WINSOCK application via the packet driver interrupt.  The WINSOCK application 
> would act as a type of pass-through tunnel for the DOS application.  This may 
> require the use of a custom VXD, I'm not sure.  I briefly looked into this but I 
> have decided that my skill sets are not quite at a level required for this task.
-------
	Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of
bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP
stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over
Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor 
realistic.
	Joe D.	

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-------
>        Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of
>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP
>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over
>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor 
>realistic.
>        Joe D.  

Actually acheiving the required functionality is pretty trivial, just run the 
winsock on top of a packet multiplexor on top of a packet driver instead. 
Using packet mux on top of the packet driver you can get packet drivers for 
DOS boxes plus a packet driver for Trumpet winsock. Pktmux can be found on 
biochemistry.cwru.edu. (and quite a few other sites).
The system has to be configured at the bottom (DOS) level to use packet 
drivers, but thats possible with nearly all configurations.

I'll admit that going from Winsock to packet driver is nightmarish, but 
actually acheiving whats wanted , which is KA9Q in a DOS box with Winsock 
running isn't. Thats basically how my system is configured now.

PeterW

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <p.waltenberg.1154.2ECFB2E0@irl.cri.nz>,
Peter Waltenberg <p.waltenberg@irl.cri.nz> wrote:
>-------
>>        Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of
>>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP
>>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over
>>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor 
>>realistic.
>>        Joe D.  
>
>Actually acheiving the required functionality is pretty trivial, just run the 
>winsock on top of a packet multiplexor on top of a packet driver instead. 
>Using packet mux on top of the packet driver you can get packet drivers for 
>DOS boxes plus a packet driver for Trumpet winsock. Pktmux can be found on 
>biochemistry.cwru.edu. (and quite a few other sites).
>The system has to be configured at the bottom (DOS) level to use packet 
>drivers, but thats possible with nearly all configurations.
>
>I'll admit that going from Winsock to packet driver is nightmarish, but 
>actually acheiving whats wanted , which is KA9Q in a DOS box with Winsock 
>running isn't. Thats basically how my system is configured now.
>

But this doesn't address the original need.

The original requirement was being able to run MS-DOS Kermit over a 
WinSock interface when WinSock is active over a serial line connection
made with Windows for Workgroups.

In this circumstance, you don't have the packet multiplexor nor the 
real packet driver for the mux to sit on.

In the setup you describe there is no need to interface a virtual packet 
driver with the WinSock API because the DOS session can talk with the 
real packet driver.

In any case, the desired functionality is not available nor is it worth
creating.  The only thing that makes sense is a telnet redirector.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip 

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From: teosongh@iscs.nus.sg (25 minutes late...)
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Subject: Can Kermit run on OS2 Warp?
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Just wondering if kermit can run on Warp or just only in DOS?

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From: nmiller@crl.com (Norman Miller)
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Subject: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit
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Has anyone successfully installed Hebrew Kermit?  I can get Hebrew
characters on screen but only left-to-right.  The documentation I got was
not very helpful.  It doesn't explain, for instance, the connection between
Kermit and HED (a nice little editor).  It doesn't explain _anything_ when
you get right down to it.

Any help appreciated.

Norman Miller


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg>, teosongh@iscs.nus.sg (25 minutes late...) writes:
> 
> Just wondering if kermit can run on Warp or just only in DOS?
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	MS-DOS Kermit is a DOS program, and it runs fine in an OS/2 DOS
box using communications facilities available to DOS programs. It works
with OS/2 to relinquish cpu time slices when nothing much is happening
and to economize on screen updating overhead.
	C Kermit for OS/2 is an OS/2 program which uses communications
facilities available to OS/2 programs.
	MSK 3.13 is the current formal release, with 3.14 being in the
last stages of beta testing. CK v5A(190) is the current C Kermit release.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit
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In article <3aoh8b$hhn@crl5.crl.com>, nmiller@crl.com (Norman Miller) writes:
> Has anyone successfully installed Hebrew Kermit?  I can get Hebrew
> characters on screen but only left-to-right.  The documentation I got was
> not very helpful.  It doesn't explain, for instance, the connection between
> Kermit and HED (a nice little editor).  It doesn't explain _anything_ when
> you get right down to it.
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	We need to understand precisely what you mean by "Hebrew Kermit."
MS-DOS Kermit is the vehicle delivering Kermit for Hebrew users of DOS
machines, and it works well that way. The user's manual, the book "Using
MS-DOS Kermit", discusses ways of using MSK with Hebrew hosts. The only
Kermit command which is specialized for this purpose is SET TERMINAL
DIRECTION (LEFT-TO-RIGHT, RIGHT-TO-LEFT); the rest is built upon regular
Kermit features.
	You did not mention which version of Kermit you are using, which
would have been helpful. May I suggest you look at the preliminary
documentation for the beta MSK 3.14, file mstibm.zip in directory kermit/test
on kermit.columbia.edu. See the Hebrew subdirectory after you unpack
the file. Btw, "beta" means things change before release.
	I'm afraid that we can't help with HED since that's outside of
Kermit. Perhaps the attachment below has enough information to help.
	For quick general reference I'm going to bloat News with file 
Hebrew.doc from the archive. Hopefully it will help others get started too.
	Joe D.
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USING MS-DOS KERMIT TO DISPLAY, ENTER, AND TRANSFER HEBREW TEXT

    Frank da Cruz
    Academic Information Systems
    Columbia University
    E-Mail: fdc@columbia.edu
    April-October, 1994

Beginning with version 3.13 (July 1993), MS-DOS Kermit includes full support
for Hebrew text, including Hebrew terminal emulation for mixing Hebrew and
Roman characters when using host-based Hebrew software, and translation of
Hebrew character sets during file transfer.  Earlier MS-DOS Kermit releases do
not include Hebrew features.

This document assumes some familiarity with DOS and with MS-DOS Kermit.
References are listed at the end.

    This document explains how to use MS-DOS Kermit in Hebrew mode for
    interacting with other computers.  It does not address questions
    of Hebrew text processing within the PC environment itself.

WARNING: As of this writing, I have not been able to find a way to make the
techniques described in this document work in a Microsoft Windows window.  Even
though Kermit itself works perfectly in a window, Windows does not allow the
Hebrew font to be loaded.  Reportedly, Windows 3.1 ML (Multi-Lingual) supports
Hebrew, but perhaps not in a way that can be used by Kermit.  Thus, to use
Kermit's Hebrew features, you must run Kermit in DOS, or in a Windows
fullscreen session, but not in a window.

BACKGROUND: HEBREW CHARACTER SETS

There are several coded character sets that contain the Hebrew alphabet.  Each
of these sets uses a different encoding, and therefore they are all mutually
incompatible.  To interchange Hebrew text between two computers that use
different encodings, conversions must be done.  Kermit software makes these
conversions for you.  The character sets are:

ASCII - The American National Standard Code for Information Interchange.
  This is a 7-bit character set, incorporating 128 characters, of which 95 are
  "graphic" (printable) characters, and 17 are control characters such as
  carriage return, linefeed, etc.  It contains no Hebrew, but it is the basis
  for all the other character sets discussed here, unless noted otherwise.  It
  includes uppercase and lowercase Roman letters A-Z, digits 0-9, space, and
  various punctuation marks.

ISO 8859-8 - The Latin/Hebrew Alphabet.
  The international standard character set for Hebrew, adopted by the
  International Organization for Standardization (ISO), of which Israel is a
  member body.  It is an 8-bit character set, incorporating 256 characters, of
  which 137 are graphic characters, 65 are control characters, and 22 are
  undefined.  It includes ASCII, some additional punctuation, math, and
  currency symbols, plus the 22 Hebrew letters and 5 final forms.

IBM PC Code Page 862.
  Similar to Latin/Hebrew, but including many additional characters (line and
  box drawing, accented Roman letters, etc), and using different encoding.
  Used only on PCs.

IBM Mainframe Code Page 424.
  An 8-bit mainframe code, totally incompatible with ASCII and everything
  else, which contains approximately the same repertoire as Latin/Hebrew.

DEC Hebrew (or "Hebrew-7").
  A 7-bit character set, equivalent to ASCII, but with the lowercase Roman
  letters replaced by Hebrew letters.  Used to trick 7-bit applications and
  communication methods into handling Hebrew characters.

ADDING HEBREW FEATURES TO KERMIT

To use MS-DOS Kermit's Hebrew terminal emulation features, you must first load
a Hebrew code page into your PC.  "Code page" is IBM's term for "font" or
"character set".  An EGA, VGA, or compatible video system that permits text
fonts to be loaded is required.

The Kermit diskette contains a public-domain Hebrew code page (and several
others) and public-domain utilities for loading and displaying code pages,
compiled and/or created by Professor Joseph (Yossi) Gil at the Technion, plus
additional material created at Columbia University: the Hebrew setups and key
mappings for Kermit, various character set tables, documentation, etc.

Here is a brief synopsis of the files in the Kermit HEBREW directory:

   HEBREW.DOC   - This file
   HEBREW.INI   - Hebrew initialization file for Kermit
   HEBREW.HLP   - Documentation for HEBREW.INI
   CP862.TBL    - IBM PC Hebrew code page table
   ISO88598.TBL - ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew alphabet table
   HEBREW-7.TBL - Hebrew-7 table   

And these are in the Kermit PCFONTS directory:

   LOADFONT.COM - Program for changing PC code page (font)
   LOADFONT.HLP - Help text for LOADFONT
   CHARSET.COM  - Program to display current code page (font)

   CP437.F16    - USA code page
   CP850.F16    - Multinational (i.e. Western Europe) code page
   CP852.F16    - Eastern Europe code page
   CP862.F16    - Hebrew code page
   CP866.F16    - Cyrillic code page

The CPxxx.F16 files are to be used with LOADFONT.  For example, to load
the Hebrew code page, type the following command at the DOS prompt:

  C:\> cd c:\kermit\pcfonts
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  C:\> loadfont cp862.f16
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The CP862.TBL file will look right when you have CP862 loaded (for example,
when you TYPE it, EDIT it, etc).  The other .TBL files are there for reference
and practice.

USING KERMIT'S HEBREW FEATURES

After you start Kermit, type the command:

  HEBREW

at the "MS-Kermit>" prompt.  "HEBREW" is a macro, defined in MSKERMIT.INI, that
executes the HEBREW.INI file from the KERMIT\HEBREW directory.  HEBREW.INI sets
everything up for you automatically.  If you always want to have the Hebrew
features available when you use Kermit, use a text editor to add the HEBREW
command to your MSCUSTOM.INI file, and then you won't have to type this command
at all.

The HEBREW.INI file:

  1. Activates ISO 8859-8 / CP862 character-set translations.
  2. Adds commands to let you change code pages easily.
  3. Loads the Hebrew code page.
  4. Defines the key maps for Hebrew and English keyboard modes.
  5. Sets up commands and hot keys for switching keyboard modes.
  6. Sets up hot keys for switching screen-writing direction.

The initial keyboard mode is English.

The Hebrew font remains loaded after you exit from Kermit, unless you load
another font yourself.

After Kermit has executed the HEBREW.INI command file, the following new
commands are available at at the "MS-Kermit>" prompt:

  HKEYS   Enter Hebrew keyboard mode upon next CONNECT command.
  EKEYS   Enter English keyboard mode upon next CONNECT command.
  HFONT   Load the Hebrew font (done automatically when you TAKE HEBREW.INI)
  EFONT   Load the US font (CP437)
  MFONT   Load the Multinational (West European) font (CP850) 
	
And the following function keys are available during terminal emulation
(CONNECT mode):

  F5      "Hot key" to enter Hebrew keyboard mode immediately.
  F6      Hot key to enter English keyboard mode immediately.
  F7      Equivalent to DEC VT terminal's F7 key (for use with JTSA catalog).
  F9      Select right-to-left screen writing.
  F10     Select left-to-right screen writing.

USING MS-DOS KERMIT FOR HEBREW TERMINAL EMULATION

The HEBREW.INI file sets Kermit up for an 8-bit connection to hosts and
applications that use the 8-bit ISO Latin/Hebrew character set.  This is the
the international standard Hebrew character set, and the one used by most
host-based applications, such as the ALEPH Hebrew library software.  But it is
not the same as the PC Hebrew code page, so Kermit must translate between the
two.

There are at least two other possibilities, which you must consider if you
access a Hebrew application through Kermit, but the characters look wrong:

 . On 7-bit connections, "Hebrew-7" -- a 7-bit character set in which the
   lowercase Roman letters are replaced by Hebrew letters -- is generally
   used.  Hebrew-7 codes are different from Latin/Hebrew and also from CP862.
   Hebrew-7 is commonly used in e-mail, in which it is difficult or impossible
   to transmit 8-bit text.  To use Hebrew-7:

     SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET HEBREW-7
     SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 7
  
 . It is possible that some Israeli BBSs use Code Page 862.  In this case,
   tell Kermit not to translate.

     SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT
     SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8
   
 . For completeness, here are the commands to use ISO Latin/Hebrew:

     SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET HEBREW-ISO
     SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8

Before accessing the host or service, you must also choose the appropriate type
of terminal emulation, one of the following (use the highest model that works):

  SET TERMINAL TYPE VT320  (this is the default)
  SET TERMINAL TYPE VT220
  SET TERMINAL TYPE VT102
  SET TERMINAL TYPE VT100

From this point, Hebrew-aware software on the remote host or service should be
able to produce correctly formatted screens containing any mixture of English
and Hebrew.

ENTERING HEBREW CHARACTERS ON THE KEYBOARD

MS-DOS Kermit acts like a Hebrew-model DEC VT terminal.  Like your PC, the VT
terminal has the normal number of keys; it does not have extra keys for Hebrew.
Thus, some keys are "shared" between Roman and Hebrew characters.  To send
Hebrew letters the keyboard must be in "Hebrew mode", and to send lowercase
Roman letters, the keyboard must be in "English mode".  The HEBREW.INI file
supplies you with commands and hot keys to switch modes:

                        Command    Hot-Key
   Enter Hebrew mode:    HKEYS       F5
   Enter English mode:   EKEYS       F6

Use the commands (HKEYS, EKEYS) when at the "MS-Kermit>" prompt; use the hot
keys (F5, F6) during terminal emulation.  MS-DOS Kermit also allows the host
application to change your keyboard mode automatically by sending escape
sequences (the JTSA catalog application does this); see the Appendix at the
end of this file.

When Hebrew key mappings are in effect and you press any key to which a Hebrew
code is assigned during terminal emulation, Kermit automatically translates
the PC Hebrew code into the appropriate code (HEBREW-ISO or HEBREW-7 or
TRANSPARENT) for the remote application, according to your TERMINAL
CHARACTER-SET setting.  In other words, you do NOT need different key mappings
for different host Hebrew character sets.

HEBREW FILE TRANSFER

Hebrew text-file transfer is supported only by MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit (UNIX,
VMS, OS/2, Stratus VOS, etc), and IBM Mainframe Kermit (VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS).

When transferring Hebrew text files between MS-DOS Kermit and a remote
computer or service, use the following commands to ensure that the Hebrew
characters are translated correctly:

On the PC:                         On the remote computer:

 SET FILE CHARACTER-SET CP862       SET FILE CHARACTER-SET xxx
 SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET HEBREW  SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET HEBREW

xxx is the name of the Hebrew character-set on the remote host, such as
HEBREW-ISO, HEBREW-7, or (only on IBM Mainframes) CP424.  Then send and
receive text files in the normal way.

PRINTING

All files created on your PC's disk by Kermit will record Hebrew letters in the
IBM PC Hebrew code page, CP862 (provided you have set up the appropriate
translation).  If you have a printer that is capable of printing this character
set, then all the normal printing facilities of DOS and of Kermit should work
as expected:

 . The DOS PRINT command.
 . The Print Screen key in DOS or Kermit.
 . etc etc.

NOTE: If you have an IBM printer that is capable of code-page switching, then
the Hebrew fonts supplied on the Hebrew disk will probably not print correctly.
In this case, you will need the real IBM Code Page 862, prepared and loaded
according to the instructions on pages 126-129 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit".
(Sorry, I do not know how to get it -- try IBM Israel :-)

If you do NOT have a printer with a Hebrew font built in, then you must use
higher-level software to do the printing.  Reportedly, for example, it is
possible to import a plain-text CP862 file (such as Kermit would create when
you save a screen) into Hebrew WordPerfect and then print it from there.

ACCESSING THE ALEPH LIBRARY CATALOG APPLICATION

The ALEPH system, in use throughout Israel and also at the Jewish Theological
Seminary of America, is designed for use by DEC VT terminals, such as those
emulated by MS-DOS Kermit, and it uses the 8-bit ISO Latin/Hebrew alphabet.
The HEBREW.INI file sets everything up for you.

If your PC is on a TCP/IP network and your MSCUSTOM.INI (MS-DOS Kermit
customization file) is correctly set up for TCP/IP, you can telnet directly
from your PC to an ALEPH host, e.g.:

  MS-Kermit> telnet aleph.huji.ac.il
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If your PC is not on the network, you can dial up with a modem.

No matter which way you came in, you should now see the host banner and
login prompt, e.g.:

  **********************************************************************
  *           The Jewish Theological Seminary of America               *
  *                         VAX/VMS v.5-4                              *
  **********************************************************************

  Username: ALEPH
            ^^^^^
Respond to the "Username:" prompt by typing the word "aleph" and then press
the Enter key.  You won't need a password.  Now you will see the following
greeting and menu:

        Welcome to VAX/VMS version V5.4 on node THEO
    Last interactive login on Tuesday, 8-FEB-1994 18:38
    Last non-interactive login on Sunday,  4-JUL-1993 18:44

			  Terminal selection  
  Standard (non soft font) terminals: 
   3.  VT102 (Latin only, unless accessed using Israeli ALEPH KERMIT)
   11. VT220 protocol (VT220,VT320,VT340,VT420,V603, etc.
	       Latin only, unless terminal has Hebrew chip installed)

  Full Latin and SOFT FONT (Hebrew, Arabic, Cyrillic) standard terminals:
   17. VT320 
   18. VT420 

  English/Hebrew and SOFT FONT (Arabic, Cyrillic) Israeli Hebrew chip
  terminals:
   27. VT320 
   28. VT420 

		   Select from menu : 11
                                      ^^
Choose 11 (VT220) from the terminal-type menu.  That's all there is to it.

Now you should see an English menu on your screen with Hebrew writing near
the top.  Here's a quick demo:

1. In the menu screen, type "?/HEB" (uppercase, without the quotes) and then
   press the Enter key to switch to Hebrew display mode.  The menu should
   change to all Hebrew, and your keyboard should switch automatically into
   Hebrew mode.

2. Now type "?/ENG" to switch back to English.  Beware: Since the keyboard is
   in Hebrew mode while you are typing this, the slash character (/) is now
   mapped to lowercase "q", so to enter "?/ENG", you must type "?qENG".
   Notice how these characters echo when you type them.  Now you should see a
   help screen whose left side is English and whose right side is Hebrew.

3. Now type "ENG" or "HEB" to select English or Hebrew screens.  The host
   application automatically switches your keyboard to the appropriate mode.
   If you select Hebrew, the Hebrew key mappings go into effect automatically;
   if you select English, the English mappings are made automatically.

4. In an English screen, search for (say) authors named Singer by typing:

      AU/Singer

   In a Hebrew screen type the Hebrew author-search command, Mem-Chet-slash
   (njq) and the author's name in Hebrew, for example "zhbdr" (= Zade Yod Nun
   Gimel Resh = Zinger):

      njqzhbdr

5. To capture a screen, hold down the Ctrl key and press the End key on the
   numeric keypad.  This copies text on the screen to a file on your disk
   called KERMIT.SCN.  If you do this more than once, it will keep adding new
   screens to the end of the KERMIT.SCN file, separating each one by a
   Formfeed.
   
To get back to the main menu at any time, press the PC's F7 key.

To leave ALEPH, type the word "STOP" (without the quotes) and then press the
Enter key.

Some Hebrew library catalogs that use the ALEPH software are:

  Central ALEPH Computer          Telnet RAM2.HUJI.AC.IL or 128.139.4.207
  Bar-Ilan University             Telnet ALEPH.BIU.AC.IL or 132.70.9.36
  Ben-Gurion University           Telnet BGULIB.BGU.AC.IL
  Haifa University                Telnet LIB.HAIFA.AC.IL or 132.74.1.100
  Hebrew University               Telnet ALEPH.HUJI.AC.IL or 128.139.4.207
  Jewish Theological Seminary     Telnet JTSA.EDU
  Technion                        Telnet LIB.TECHNION.AC.IL or 132.68.1.20
  Tel Aviv University             Telnet TAUVAX.TAU.AC.IL or 132.66.32.6
  Weizmann Institute of Science   Telnet WISLIB.WEIZMANN.AC.IL or 132.76.64.14

In all cases, the username to use is ALEPH and no password is required,
and in all cases you should choose "11" from the terminal-type menu.

Also, please note that references to Hebrew-University Kermit are obsolete, as
are the instructions for using it.  All the work done at Hebrew University was
incorporated into MS-DOS Kermit 3.13, and upgraded to a much higher level of
functionality.  Please ignore the instructions about special MSKERMIT.INI
files, VT102 emulation, Terminal Type 3, etc.

USING KERMIT'S HEBREW FEATURES IN NON-HEBREW APPLICATIONS

You can use Kermit's Hebrew features to create or view plain-text documents on
a CUNIX or other host computer written in Hebrew (or Yiddish?) (or Ladino?)  if
you keep the following points in mind:

 . Hebrew characters are restricted to the basic set of 22 letters and
   5 final forms.

 . Hebrew characters are stored and transmitted left to right, even though
   they should be displayed right to left.

 . You can't mix Roman and Hebrew text in a plain-text file unless you are
   willing to type the Hebrew letters in reverse order (or vice-versa,
   depending on how the text is to be displayed).  That's because
   non-Hebrew-aware software is not equipped to handle bidirectional text.

If you are using Kermit to create or read Hebrew text on a computer that does
not have Hebrew-aware software, you can tell Kermit to reverse its
screen-writing direction to force characters to be written right-to-left:

  SET TERMINAL DIRECTION RIGHT-TO-LEFT

And, of course, you can also undo this effect:

  SET TERMINAL DIRECTION LEFT-TO-RIGHT

The HEBREW.INI file assigns these functions to F9 and F10, respectively, so you
can conveniently switch direction during terminal emulation.

If your connection to the host application is "8-bit clean", AND the
application itself is also 8-bit clean, you can use the ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew
Alphabet, which contains full upper and lowercase Roman, plus Hebrew, plus a
variety of symbols.  Unfortunately, very few host applications are 8-bit clean
(except on VMS -- such as the JTSA Library System).

EXAMPLE: Creating a Hebrew text file with the VMS EVE (EDIT/TPU) editor:

  1. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to TAKE HEBREW.INI
  2. Log in to the VAX.
  3. EDIT/TPU <filename>.
  4. Push F5 to enter Hebrew keyboard mode.
  5. Push F9 to select right-to-left screen writing.
  6. Create/edit the file in the normal way.  All the English
     will be displayed backwards, but the Hebrew will look right.

IN THE 7-BIT ENVIRONMENT, you'll have to use the Hebrew-7 character set,
in which lowercase Roman letters are replaced by Hebrew letters; thus
only uppercase Roman letters are available.  For example, to send a Hebrew
e-mail message with (English) Pine:

  1. Access and log in to CUNIX (don't put Kermit into Hebrew mode yet).
  2. Start Pine and select COMPOSE MESSAGE.
  3. Fill out the To: and Subject: fields of the message using Roman letters.
  4. Move to the message body using the down-arrow or Enter key.
  5. Press the F5 key to enter Hebrew keyboard mode.
  6. Use Alt-x to return to the MS-Kermit> prompt and enter the following
     commands:
     
       take hebrew.ini
       set terminal character-set hebrew-7
       set terminal bytesize 7
       connect

     Remember: you can abbreviate Kermit commands and keywords (but not
     filenames) to their minimum unique length.  So the above commands could
     also be entered as:

       ta hebrew.ini
       set ter ch hebrew-7
       set ter by 7
       c

  7. Push F9 to select right-to-left screen writing.
  8. Type Ctrl-L (hold down Ctrl and press the L key) to refresh the screen.
  9. Enter Hebrew text into the message body, referring to the keyboard map.
     If you must type numbers, enter the digits in reverse order.  If you must
     type English text, enter the letters in UPPER CASE and in reverse order.
 10. To send the message, type Ctrl-X (hold down Ctrl, press X).
 11. To return to English mode, press F6 and F10, then Ctrl-L to refresh
     the screen.
 12. Enter Q to quit from Pine.

The person who receives your message must, of course, also be set up for the
Hebrew-7 character set and right-to-left display.  Remember that when the
keyboard is in Hebrew mode, all Roman letters must be entered in UPPER CASE.
This includes (of course) Pine commands.

OTHER HOST-BASED HEBREW APPLICATIONS   

There is a version of the text editor EMACS, developed in Japan, called MULE
(MUltiLingual EMACS), which is capable of handling Hebrew (as well as almost
any other script in the world), fully accomodating mixed Hebrew and Roman (or
other) scripts, and (reportedly) handling bidirectionality correctly.  It
works best with X terminals, but might also work in Hebrew mode with PCs
running Kermit.

There is a Hebrew version of the UNIX VI text editor, called vi.iv, from
the Technion.

There is reportedly a Hebrew version of the Pine e-mail software.

EPILOG

Because Hebrew text is intrinsically bidirectional (since, for example, numbers
are written left-to-right, and Roman or other types of left-to-right text are
often mixed in), no "plain-text" standard for Hebrew has ever emerged.  Hebrew
text can only be handled on a "higher" level, e.g. by applications such as the
JTSA catalog, Hebrew WordPerfect, and so on.

Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, these higher-level applications are
incompatible with each other, using different character sets and different
methods for indicating and controlling directionality, not to mention other
rendering and representation issues (Macintosh vs PC, font selection and style,
boldface, italic, etc etc).  Thus, widespread system- and application-
independent interchange of Hebrew text has never been achieved.  Informants in
Israel tell me, for example, that Hebrew simply is not used in e-mail;
everybody gets by with English.

The situation with Arabic is similar, but not identical.

The situation with other non-Roman alphabetic scripts, such as Cyrillic and
Greek, is far better.  These scripts can be handled very easily by a simple
font change, and mixtures of Cyrillic and Roman or Greek and Roman letters in a
plain text file poses no problems at all.  Similar comments apply to other
left-to-right alphabetic scripts such as Armenian, Georgian, etc.

In the future, there will be a universal coded character set, ISO 10646,
capable of representing all of the world's scripts in a single coding system,
including both modern and ancient scripts.  Presently, ISO 10646 includes only
the basic Hebrew repertoire of 22 letters plus 5 final forms.  An extension to
this standard, proposed by the Israel Institute for Standards, will add vowel
points, cantillation marks, and possibly also unique Hebrew forms of
punctuation as well as Yiddish digraphs.  ISO 10646 (and its precursor,
Unicode, which is in most part a compatible subset of ISO 10646) will allow
text to contain any mixture of scripts.  But massive changes in software, data,
as well as in display, printing, and data entry devices will be required, so
only time will tell if ISO 10646 will achieve widespread use.

APPENDIX I - EDITING FILES ON THE PC

Your AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS are "plain text" files.  The same is true of
all Kermit command and initialization files.  You can modify such files using
the DOS EDLIN or EDIT programs.  EDLIN and EDIT are documented in your DOS
manual.  The recommended method for editing these files is to use the DOS EDIT
program.  Let's suppose you want to modify your AUTOEXEC.BAT file.  First, make
a backup copy in case something goes wrong:

  cd c:\
  copy autoexec.bat autoexec.bak

And then start the editor:

  edit autoexec.bat

This brings up a screen showing the file.  You can move through the file with
the arrow keys until you find the line you want to change, in our case the line
that starts with "PATH=".  Use the End key to position the cursor at the end of
the "PATH=" line, then type the text you want to add, such as ";C:\KERMIT".

To save the file, press Alt-f (hold down Alt, press f) to activate the File
menu.  Then use the down-arrow key to highlight the Save item, and then press
the Enter key.

To exit from EDIT, press Alt-f again, use the arrow key to highlight Exit, and
press Enter.

If you are using a word processing program to create or modify a DOS or Kermit
command file, do not include any special effects (bold, underline, italics),
and be sure to save the file in text mode.  The method for doing this depends
on the word processor.

In Microsoft Word 5.0, for example, press the Esc key to get to the menu, press
T to choose Transfer, press S to choose Save, type the filename, use the arrow
keys to get to the "format" line, choose Text-Only, press Enter to save the
file, and then leave the program by pressing the Esc key and then Q.

In WordPerfect 5.1, use Ctrl-F5 (hold down the Ctrl key and press the F5 key)
to save the file, press T to select DOS Text, 1 to Save, type the filename and
press Enter, and quit from WordPerfect by pressing the F7 key.

APPENDIX II - THE HEBREW KEY MAP

(Note: Names of Hebrew letters are from the ISO 8859-8 Standard.)

Hebrew Order             Roman Order              QWERTY Keyboard Order        

  q = Slash                , = Taw 		    q = Slash 
  w = Apostrophe           . = Terminal Zade        w = Apostrophe 
  ' = Comma                ' = Comma                e = Qoph 
  / = Period               / = Period               r = Resh 
  t = Aleph                ; = Terminal Pe          t = Aleph 
  c = Bet                  a = Shin                 y = Tet 
  d = Gimel                b = Nun                  u = Waw 
  s = Dalet                c = Bet                  i = Terminal Nun 
  v = He                   d = Gimel                o = Terminal Mem 
  u = Waw                  e = Qoph                 p = Pe 
  z = Zain                 f = Kaph                 a = Shin 
  j = Chet                 g = Ayin                 s = Dalet 
  y = Tet                  h = Yod                  d = Gimel 
  h = Yod                  i = Terminal Nun         f = Kaph 
  l = Terminal Kaph        j = Chet                 g = Ayin 
  f = Kaph                 k = Lamed                h = Yod 
  k = Lamed                l = Terminal Kaph        j = Chet 
  o = Terminal Mem         m = Zade                 k = Lamed 
  n = Mem                  n = Mem                  l = Terminal Kaph 
  i = Terminal Nun         o = Terminal Mem         ; = Terminal Pe 
  b = Nun                  p = Pe                   ' = Comma 
  x = Samech               q = Slash                z = Zain 
  g = Ayin                 r = Resh                 x = Samech 
  ; = Terminal Pe          s = Dalet                c = Bet 
  p = Pe                   t = Aleph                v = He 
  . = Terminal Zade        u = Waw                  b = Nun 
  m = Zade                 v = He                   n = Mem 
  e = Qoph                 w = Apostrophe           m = Zade 
  r = Resh                 x = Samech               , = Taw 
  a = Shin                 y = Tet                  . = Terminal Zade 
  , = Taw                  z = Zain                 / = Period 

If you have a PostScript printer, you can get a picture of the key map
by printing the KEYMAP.PS file from the KERMIT\HEBREW directory.

APPENDIX III - Technical Summary

Hebrew terminal emulation and file transfer (version 3.13).  Commands:

  SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET HEBREW
  SET FILE CHARACTER-SET CP862
  SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET { HEBREW-ISO, HEBREW-7 }
  SET TERMINAL DIRECTION { RIGHT-TO-LEFT, LEFT-TO-RIGHT }
  SET TERMINAL CODE-PAGE CP862

Terminal direction is controlled in two different ways: (1) by host- generated
escape sequences (automatic, see below) and (2) by the SET TERMINAL DIRECTION
command.  When the writing direction is changed by escape sequences from the
host, the cursor-positioning coordinate system is not changed.  For example, if
Kermit was in left-to-right mode and the host send ESC [ ? 34 h, position (1,1)
would still be in the upper left.  This is how a real Hebrew-model VT terminal
works.  If, however, you command Kermit into RIGHT-TO-LEFT mode, the coordinate
system flips right to left so the origin (1,1) is at the upper right corner,
which is useful for viewing and composing some right to left text. The host can
override the user setting, and the user can later override the host setting.

Hebrew character sets:

 . CP862 is the PC Hebrew code page, available from IBM as EGAHE.COM, or
   perhaps as a hardware code page on Hebrew-model PCs.  Distributed on the
   the Kermit diskette in a public-domain form as CP862.F16, to be used with
   the (also public-domain) LOADFONT program.

 . HEBREW-ISO is the 8-bit standard ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew alphabet.

 . HEBREW-7 is the 7-bit Hebrew "National Replacement Character Set" (NRC),
   ASCII with the lowercase Roman letters replaced by Hebrew letters,
   often used in e-mail.

MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 supports:

 . Automatic selection of writing direction by host escape sequence.
 . ISO 2022-compliant terminal character-set designation and invocation.
 . Hebrew keyboard mode.

Hebrew-specific escape sequences recognized by the VT220 and 320 terminal
emulators: 

  ESC ) H		Designates right half of Latin/Hebrew to G1   
  ESC * H		Designates right half of Latin/Hebrew to G2   
  ESC + H		Designates right half of Latin/Hebrew to G3   
  ESC ( % =		Designates 7-bit Hebrew NRC to G0-G3	      
  ESC ) " 4		Designates DEC supplement Hebrew letters to G1
  ESC * " 4		Designates DEC supplement Hebrew letters to G2
  ESC + " 4		Designates DEC supplement Hebrew letters to G3
  DCS 0 ! u " 4 ST	Assigns DEC supplement Hebrew as UPSS
  DCS 0 ! u H ST	Assigns Latin/Hebrew as UPSS
  CSI ? 34 h		Sets right-to-left screen-writing mode
  CSI ? 34 l		Sets left-to-right screen-writing mode
  CSI ? 35 h		Sets Hebrew keyboard mapping via Kermit macros
  CSI ? 35 l		Sets Roman (North American) keyboard mapping, ditto
  CSI ? 36 h		Hebrew encoding mode is 7-bit Hebrew-7 "National mode"
  CSI ? 36 l		Hebrew encoding mode is 8-bit ISO Latin/Hebrew

Hebrew keyboard mapping:

 . CSI ? 35 h invokes the macro KEYBOARDS, which you must define to set up
   your keyboard for entering Hebrew characters.  If this macro is not
   defined, nothing happens.

 . CSI ? 35 l invokes the macro KEYBOARDR, which you must define to set up
   your keyboard for entering Roman (North American) characters.  If this
   macro is not defined, nothing happens.

     NOTE: do not define KEYBOARDS without also defining KEYBOARDR
     to undo its effects!

The various reports furnished by MS-DOS Kermit also include Hebrew-specific
information, and the following host-initiated operations work in both left-
to-right and right-to-left mode: Insert/Replace Mode, Autowrap, Backspace,
Carriage Return, Linefeed, Formfeed, Vertical Tab, Horizontal Tab.

The keyboard mapping sequences invoke the user-defined macros KEYBOARDS (h) and
KEYBOARDR (l).  Users should define these macros to accomplish the desired
keyboard mappings with SET KEY commands.  Sample mappings (those used with
Hebrew WordPerfect, etc) are supplied in the HEBREW.INI file.

In VT100 and VT102 mode, the following functions are supported:

  ESC ) 1		Enter Hebrew mode
  ESC ) B		Exit Hebrew mode

FURTHER READING 

1. Your MS-DOS manual, the sections on code pages.  For example, Microsoft 
   MS-DOS Operating System Version 5.0 User's Guide and Reference (1992), 
   Chapter 13 and the Appendix, "Keyboard Layouts and Code Pages". 

2. Gianone, Christine M., "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Digital Press (1992), 
   Chapter 13, "International Character Sets".  Also, for TCP/IP setup, 
   Chapter 16, "Kermit on Local Area Networks". 

3. The files KERMIT.UPD and HEBREW\HEBREW.HLP on the MS-DOS 3.13 diskette.

4. The Hebrew character-set tables in the HEBREW directory, and the PC
   font material in the PCFONTS directory.

5. The Unicode Standard, Worldwide Character Encoding, Version 1.0, Volume 1, 
   The Unicode Consortium.  Addison-Wesley (1991). 

(End of HEBREW.DOC) 


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg>,
25 minutes late... <teosongh@iscs.nus.sg> wrote:
>
>Just wondering if kermit can run on Warp or just only in DOS?
>

There are two versions of Kermit from Columbia U. that work with OS/2 WARP.

First there is C-Kermit 5A(190) for OS/2.

C-Kermit is certified by IBM as "Ready for OS/2" and "Ready for LAN Systems"

C-Kermit provides vt220, vt102, vt52, and ANSI BBS terminal emulations
over either serial or network connections (TCP/IP [WARP IAK], NETBIOS,
NAMED PIPES, DEC LAT).

Full scripting (Kermit and REXX)
> 1 million line scrollback buffer
Mouse cursor positioning and PM clipboard copy/paste
File tranfer supporting OS/2 Extended Attributes
OS/2 Long file names supported on FAT file systems

and much more.

----

If you must use a VT320 or Tektronics emulation you can still use 
MS-DOS Kermit in a DOS Window or Full screen session.

I would recommend using Ray Gwinn's Serail Fossil Drivers if you
are going to use MS-DOS Kermit.  MS-DOS Kermit's network capabilities
do not work in a DOS session unless you can dedicate a separate 
network card to that session.

If you need more info, post again.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip 

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Hello:

I have a question about ASK.  I am writing an MS-Kermit 
script which prompts
the user to enter a filename, so I "ASK" for it.  No problem
there.  But I would like to be able to detect if the user merely
hits the ENTER key without typing anything else in first.

There is probably an obvious answer.  I have looked all over &
experimented with no success.  I am a new user of Kermit, hence I
am working from .HLP, .UPD, and .BWR while waiting for my copy
of "the book" to arrive.

Can someone please help? (Examples appreciated)

Thank you very much,
Maurice Baker
AT&T Bell Labs, Homdel
mrbaker  at  hodcs.att.com  (email preferred, but followups OK too)


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In article <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu says...
>
>        Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of
>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP
>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over
>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor 
>realistic.
>        Joe D.  


Many interesting projects arise from rather pointless objectives, and in
this case, I believe we have the perfect example of a truly pointless
objective.  But, to continue this one step further (yes I know this isn't
really attempting to solve the original problem), instead of trying to tie
into the Winsock API, would it be feasible or even possible tie a DOS packet
driver into the Windows based NDIS3 drivers (I believe MicroSoft's PPP
driver is only supplied as an NDIS3 Windows based driver).  It seems to me
there would still be the problem of multiplexing multiple IP stacks (very
undesireable).

Brian A.

P.S.  Just trying to promote some more interesting and irrelevant discussion.

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In article <CzLEG2.3Er@nntpa.cb.att.com>, mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) writes:
> Hello:
> 
> I have a question about ASK.  I am writing an MS-Kermit 
> script which prompts
> the user to enter a filename, so I "ASK" for it.  No problem
> there.  But I would like to be able to detect if the user merely
> hits the ENTER key without typing anything else in first.
> 
> There is probably an obvious answer.  I have looked all over &
> experimented with no success.  I am a new user of Kermit, hence I
> am working from .HLP, .UPD, and .BWR while waiting for my copy
> of "the book" to arrive.
> 
> Can someone please help? (Examples appreciated)
-----------
	ask \%a prompt>
	prompt> <user presses Enter so \%a is empty and therefore undefined>
	if equ "\%a" "" echo The user did not provide text
or	if defined \%a  echo The user did provide text
and so on. Don't use {\%a} {} because they will parse out to empty, leaving
 if equ echo The ... which is not what is wanted.
	Joe D.

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I am running kermit on ultrix 4.3 and I want to be able to call up with 
kermit and then quit kermit, but NOT hangup the modem - so I can then run 
slattach and start a slip connection. The reason I want to do this is 
because I cannot get the chat script for the slip.hosts to work and 
figured that if I can just call up with kermit and then get out of kermit 
but leave the tty attached but accessable via slattach I could then start 
slip going...

Thanks for any help!
Please if you can respond via email (micah@u.washington.edu)

Micah


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I cannot figure out what to set up kermit to use as flow control. I have 
a 14.4 ZyXEL modem with a hardware handshaking cable and I've always set 
flow control to be Hardware Handshaking... Now that I am running kermit I 
am not sure what to set it at and because of this I get characters 
dropped and redrawing screens really is messy... Any ideas from 
experienced folks?

Thanks!

Micah


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Subject: Telnet Data Mark displays as "r" on MSK 3.13.
Keywords: SCO 3.2V4.2, MS-Kermit 3.13, Telnet, Interrupt, Data Mark
Summary: SCO Unix sends Data Mark on interrupt.  MSK 3.13 P13 displays as r.
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When an interrupt signal is generated on our SCO machines
(3.2V4.2), MS-Kermit (3.13, patch about 13, but there are no
obvious fixes listed up to patch 20**) displays an "r".  NCSA
Telnet handles this correctly, and examining the event trace
shows that a Telnet Data Mark signal is being sent.

This happens for both Telnet interrupts, and interrupts generated
by sending the stty interrupt character.

This is really only a cosmetic problem, and normally results from
being too lazy to change the interrupt character or remap the
backspace key before talking to the machine in question.  It
doesn't happen for SunOS 4.1.1.

** the patch level 20 file is at home, not in the office.
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In article <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>>>A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not 
>>>protocol independent.  The best you could possibly hope for would be a 
>>>Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through 
>>>WinSock.
>> 
>> Actually, it could probably be done by filtering out the non TCP/IP
>> functionality, but it would be a very complicated bit of engineering.
>> You would likely have to write some nasty DOS interrupt redirection
>> code which would allow the DOS program to communicate directly to a native Windows 
>> WINSOCK application via the packet driver interrupt.  The WINSOCK application 
>> would act as a type of pass-through tunnel for the DOS application.  This may 
>> require the use of a custom VXD, I'm not sure.  I briefly looked into this but I 
>> have decided that my skill sets are not quite at a level required for this task.
>-------
>        Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of
>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP
>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over
>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor 
>realistic.

...but is similar to what is done inside TIA, if I am not mistaken.


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In article <3aoc2h$bit@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

>>>        Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of
>>>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP
>>>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over
>>>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor 
>>>realistic.
>>>        Joe D.  
>>
>>Actually acheiving the required functionality is pretty trivial, just run the 
>>winsock on top of a packet multiplexor on top of a packet driver instead. 
>>Using packet mux on top of the packet driver you can get packet drivers for 
>>DOS boxes plus a packet driver for Trumpet winsock. Pktmux can be found on 
>>biochemistry.cwru.edu. (and quite a few other sites).
>>The system has to be configured at the bottom (DOS) level to use packet 
>>drivers, but thats possible with nearly all configurations.
>>
>>I'll admit that going from Winsock to packet driver is nightmarish, but 
>>actually acheiving whats wanted , which is KA9Q in a DOS box with Winsock 
>>running isn't. Thats basically how my system is configured now.
>>

>But this doesn't address the original need.

>The original requirement was being able to run MS-DOS Kermit over a 
>WinSock interface when WinSock is active over a serial line connection
>made with Windows for Workgroups.

>In this circumstance, you don't have the packet multiplexor nor the 
>real packet driver for the mux to sit on.

And _that_ is the real problem.  I have wondered at times if the
TCP/IP stack functionality and the Comms/SLIP/PPP functionality
shouldn't be separated into two programs--you could have a
packet driver that "reflects" stuff & attach the comms driver
for SLIP/PPP/whatever to one side and Winsock to the other.




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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Droped characters - flow control problem?
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In article <Pine.OSF.3.91a.941120224428.15730B-100000@saul1.u.washington.edu>, Micah Anderson <micah@u.washington.edu> writes:
> 
> I cannot figure out what to set up kermit to use as flow control. I have 
> a 14.4 ZyXEL modem with a hardware handshaking cable and I've always set 
> flow control to be Hardware Handshaking... Now that I am running kermit I 
> am not sure what to set it at and because of this I get characters 
> dropped and redrawing screens really is messy... Any ideas from 
> experienced folks?
---------
	SET FLOW RTS/CTS in Kermit.
	Joe D.

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In article <1994Nov21.064642.33428@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
|	SET FLOW RTS/CTS in Kermit.
|	Joe D.

Also be sure to lower the DTE rate appropriately if you're running a
relatively slow computer.  On my Tandy XT clone, I can't run my Intel
144/144e 14.4k external modem faster than 19200, even with hardware
handshaking.
--   _____________________________________________________________________
     Yeechang Lee  (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94
     Columbia University/New York City|The Celestial Kingdom has Taco Bell

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I use MSKermit 3.13 for the communication between my PC and University
Unix system. When I use it to transfer files, it is ok to download
files to my PC in a reasonable speed. However, if I try to send files
to the remote system, the speed becomes very very slow and often do 
not work at all.

Could any expert out there tell me why. I use most default parameters
for file transfer.

WJ

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190)
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In article <wpfulmorCzIxxy.6EH@netcom.com>,
william p fulmor <wpfulmor@netcom.com> wrote:
>Last night (11/19/94) I grabbed ckuker.att7300 (don't laugh, it's paid 
>for & I've got 4 spares) from kermit.columbia.edu.  It's about 90K bigger 
>than the 5A(189) which I have been using for ~~6 months, but when run, 
>insists that it is 5A(189), not 5A(190) as expected.  
>
We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300.
Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all.

If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit
makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see
where else I can get one made.  (No, we do not have an example of every
computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness
of others"...

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Is there anyway to quit kermit without hanging up?
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In article <Pine.OSF.3.91a.941120223713.15730A-100000@saul1.u.washington.edu>,
Micah Anderson  <micah@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>I am running kermit on ultrix 4.3 and I want to be able to call up with 
>kermit and then quit kermit, but NOT hangup the modem - so I can then run 
>slattach and start a slip connection. The reason I want to do this is 
>because I cannot get the chat script for the slip.hosts to work and 
>figured that if I can just call up with kermit and then get out of kermit 
>but leave the tty attached but accessable via slattach I could then start 
>slip going...
>
Since UNIX is a "real operating system" -- unlike, say, DOS -- processes
close all open file handles when they exit.  So no, you can't use C-Kermit
on UNIX to open a connection and then exit and expect for it to be left
open, at least not unless you configure the modem to ignore DTR, and take
a few other esoteric steps, none of which are recommended as they pose
distinct security risks.

But there are several ways for C-Kermit to give access to its connection to
other processes, which are covered mostly in section 11 of the file
ckuker.bwr, which comes with C-Kermit 5A(190).  These include PUSHing from
C-Kermit, suspending C-Kermit, and forking (via ! or REDIRECT) other processes
from C-Kermit.  So read this material, and also read about the new (to edit
190) REDIRECT command in the 5A(190) ckcker.upd file.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: winsock, ndis, sundry
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	Maybe the last of the winsock discussion here.
	Just so we are clear on things. Winsock is for pure Windows
programs, not for DOS programs. We say again, pure Windows programs.
And, I am unaware of any winsock implementation yet smart enough
to get the heck off the hardware when the last close occurs. They
all want to sit and occupy space and attachments whether used or not
(not to mention complaining bitterly if one of their friends isn't
ready when Windows starts). That puts these things in the category
of TSRs rather than upon-demand programs. I think the industry has
a step to go yet to clean up this act.
	NDIS 3 shims. Be my guest. First you need to decode NDIS 2,
and then the tangle constituting NDIS 3.
	Splitting MS-DOS Kermit into pieces. Won't happen, please forget
about the concept.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Telnet Data Mark displays as "r" on MSK 3.13.
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In article <785307785snx@djwhome.demon.co.uk>, david@djwhome.demon.co.uk (David Woolley) writes:
> When an interrupt signal is generated on our SCO machines
> (3.2V4.2), MS-Kermit (3.13, patch about 13, but there are no
> obvious fixes listed up to patch 20**) displays an "r".  NCSA
> Telnet handles this correctly, and examining the event trace
> shows that a Telnet Data Mark signal is being sent.
> 
> This happens for both Telnet interrupts, and interrupts generated
> by sending the stty interrupt character.
> 
> This is really only a cosmetic problem, and normally results from
> being too lazy to change the interrupt character or remap the
> backspace key before talking to the machine in question.  It
> doesn't happen for SunOS 4.1.1.
> 
> ** the patch level 20 file is at home, not in the office.
--------
	Data Marks are rather rare events, but you ought not have seen
an "r" as a consequence. DMARK is 242 decimal, which after chopping the
high bit yields 114 decimal "r". But the DMARK should have been sent as
IAC DMARK (255 242), and the Kermit Telnet code would (quotes) have absorbed
both bytes.
	If you are still reading along, the way I understand this situation 
is the SCO machine was trying to flush bytes sent to the MSK client, by 
sending IAC DMARK in a TCP segment with the TCP URGENT bit set. The recepient
is supposed to discard all data up to and including the IAC DMARK. Folks have 
commented upon this less than clear or desirable "feature" of Telnet, and 
Kermit does not play that game. Just how much discarding should occur is 
ambiguous, and I chose not to chase down internal buffers to do the flush. 
In any case, the commands are really intended to be sent to servers where a 
job may be blocked unable to read the data stream for the Interrupt Process 
command pair IAC IP or similar; they ought not be sent to clients.
	If you still have the trace I'd appreciate receiving a copy.
	Thanks,
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Droped characters - flow control problem?
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In article <Pine.OSF.3.91a.941120224428.15730B-100000@saul1.u.washington.edu>,
Micah Anderson  <micah@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
>I cannot figure out what to set up kermit to use as flow control. I have 
>a 14.4 ZyXEL modem with a hardware handshaking cable and I've always set 
>flow control to be Hardware Handshaking... Now that I am running kermit I 
>am not sure what to set it at and because of this I get characters 
>dropped and redrawing screens really is messy... Any ideas from 
>experienced folks?
>
Modem configuration is always a pain, especially with the newer modems.

If you are using MS-DOS Kermit, you can get a Zyxel dialing script for it
that sets up the modem and Kermit for optimal performance.  This script
comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta, available via anonymous ftp to host
kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip.
Unzip with "-d" switch.  Install according to directions in the top-level
READ.ME file.  Then just tell Kermit to "set modem zyxel" and DIAL.

Remember this is still a beta version; report any problems via e-mail to
kermit@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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In article <CzMLA2.K01@liverpool.ac.uk>,
Prof X. Chen <xchen@liverpool.ac.uk> wrote:
>I use MSKermit 3.13 for the communication between my PC and University
>Unix system. When I use it to transfer files, it is ok to download
>files to my PC in a reasonable speed. However, if I try to send files
>to the remote system, the speed becomes very very slow and often do 
>not work at all.
>
This type of question is answered clearly and at length in the documentation.
Very briefly:  There are five major items to be considered:

 1. Interface speed -- use the highest possible speed, lock your modem
    at that speed, and also enable its error-correction and data compression
    features.

 2. Flow control -- use the most effective possible means thereof, such as
    RTS/CTS.

 3. Use long packets.  Tell the Kermit program which is *receiving* the file
    to "set receive packet-length 2000" (or whatever other number works best).

 4. Use sliding windows.  Tell *both* Kermit programs to "set window 4"
    (or other number).

 5. Read about control-character unprefixing in the update notes files that
    come with the current releases of C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit.

Items 1 and 2 are handled automatically by the dialing scripts for high-speed
modems that come with MS-DOS Kermit.  Items 3-5 require some experimentation
to obtain the maximum transfer rate possible on any given connection.

- Frank

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s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (David Anthony Sexton) writes:
>Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop.
>Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest
>versions of Kermit have this already?

There are a lot of nifty frog pictures on the World Wide Web.
A good source is Sandra Loosemore's Froggy Page
http://www.cs.yale.edu/HTML/YALE/CS/HyPlans/loosemore-sandra/froggy.html
I've converted one of her drawings to a decent Kermit icon which you
can access from my (under construction)	kermit page:
http://ux1.cso.uiuc.edu/~zinzow/kermit.html

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In VMS you can "exit" C-Kermit and keep the modem allocated.

I use the VMS ALLOCATE command and then go into Kermit and exit,
then go into Kermit again and when I'm done I DEALLOCATE.

Works like a charm and is extremely useful for my particular
application (queuing files to send to various "nodes" but
keeping the connection up in case the next file queued is
for the same node!).

	Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves." 
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta 14 ready for testing
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-14 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of Monday, 21 November 1994, 5:00pm EST:

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes since Beta-12 ( there was no Beta-13 :-) include:
   
1. Final touches added to SET CARRIER detection for rapid reaction.

2. Found and fixed the recent slowdown for real serial ports (too long a
   delay when waiting for the UART transmitter to become free).  ZIP-file
   throughput dropped to 600-700 file characters per second, rather than
   the usual 1600 or so with a 14,400 bps modem (when Kermit protocol is
   tuned for peak performance and you have a buffered UART, etc).

3. Added new built-in DIAL command.  This looks for a macro of the same
   name (such as the one defined in the standard MSKERMIT.INI file), and
   executes it with the given phone number as its argument(s).  If no DIAL
   macro is defined then a simple internal macro named __DIAL is run
   instead.  This allows at least some form of dialing to be done under
   program control even when KERMIT.EXE is run "bare" with no macros
   defined.  The only assumption made by the built-in DIAL macro is that
   ATD<phone-number><CR> is the dialing command.  See (the new) section
   1.2 of the KERMIT.UPD file for details.

4. Cured a bug when "\FOOBAR" or other word beginning with \F (upper or
   lower case), but not one of the \function()s, occurs in certain
   commands, especially in SET PROMPT.

5. Fixed a bug in sending packets over a seven bit channel with locking
   shifts active. A packet could be one byte longer than a "regular" one
   and be sent in long packet format by mistake.
   
6. Fixed a bug in packet capabilities fields which could prevent a client
   from requesting file type Binary automatically.
   
7. Minor fixes to Cyrillic .INI files, addition of a SHORTKOI.TBL file.

Still more thanks to Joe Doupnik for his continuing work on this project
and his responsiveness to beta testing reports.

Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu.  Let's
give this one a good workout in hopes that it might be the final Beta!

- Frank

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In article <soren.223.000F87E0@aztec.co.za>, soren@aztec.co.za (Soren Aalto) writes:
> In article <3aoc2h$bit@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
> 
>>>>        Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of
>>>>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP
>>>>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over
>>>>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor 
>>>>realistic.
>>>>        Joe D.  
	<huge amount of repeated material omitted>
> And _that_ is the real problem.  I have wondered at times if the
> TCP/IP stack functionality and the Comms/SLIP/PPP functionality
> shouldn't be separated into two programs--you could have a
> packet driver that "reflects" stuff & attach the comms driver
> for SLIP/PPP/whatever to one side and Winsock to the other.
-----------
	Nice idea but not practical here. There are a great many
coupling threads (variables, calls) between the high level and comms
level material in Kermit so that control may be exercised and speed
retained. And there is much more to comms than serial or the internal
TCP/IP stack; SET PORT exhibits the list (and some choices transparently
encompass two or three variations from the same vendor).
	Winsock is for pure Windows programs, not for DOS programs.
	MS-DOS Kermit removes itself from comms channels when done with
them. Few commercial TCP/IP stacks do so (none that I know of). Were
winsock guys to get off the pot when done the problem would be smaller.
So please consider hounding your winsock vendor to go un-TSR upon last
close and to not be present until an application makes a demand.
	Joe D. 

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Hi all,
   I am using MS-DOS kermit on my PC and try to find out how to re-dial a
phone number at a certain time interval, like 5-seconds.
   Could someone please give me some hints?
   Thanks in advance.

V. Kwan
vkwan@dorsai.org

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From: kdesai@black.clarku.edu (Kamalkumar R. Desai)
Subject: Help with autodial in MSKERMIT - V3.11 DOS
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Hi,
I am using DOS 6.22 and MSKERMIT V3.11 (Yes I will get 3.14 soon),
I have written a small script to call my school using my modem and once
connects types my username and password and logs me in. It works fine but
I would like to start it from DOS prompt, i.e. 
type "LOGMEIN.BAT" and this file should have one line.

KERMIT SCHOOL.TAK

That does works too i.e. I can start it from C:>/ prompt and would put me
to my school $ prompt on vax. However whenever I hit Alt-X (Escape 
sequence) it puts me to DOS prompt rather then MS-KERMIT> prompt. I normally
start KERMIT again and now I am at MS-KERMIT> prompt and can do file transfers.

I am sure there is a way to do it so that it won't kick me out to DOS. I looked
into Manual (Using Kermit.. F. Da'Cruz book) and README files but no avail.
Any help is welcome.

Kamal Desai
Clark Univ.
Worcester, MA 01610.


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In article <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
[...]
>We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300.
>Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all.
>
>If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit
>makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see
>where else I can get one made.  (No, we do not have an example of every
>computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness
>of others"...

If whoever provides one would be kind enough to post when it's available,
I'd appreciate it.  I'd rebuild it myself, having gcc and most other goodies,
but the one goody I don't have right now is enough disk space :-(

-- 
                      I compute, therefore I am.
My opinions are strictly by own, and should not be construed to represent
anyone else.

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In article <1994Nov19.201531.33339@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>Subject: Re: kermit icon
>From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
>Date: 19 Nov 94 20:15:30 MDT

>In article <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU>, s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU
>(David Anthony Sexton) writes:
>> Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop.
>> Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest
>> versions of Kermit have this already?
>> Dave.
>---------
>        Please wait for the formal release. No, no frogs in the icon. Maybe
>you want to create your own.
>        Joe D.

For what it's worth, here's my own icon ...
__
Jonathan B. Marder                 '
Department of Agricultural Botany  |     Internet: MARDER@agri.huji.ac.il
The Hebrew University of Jerusalem | /\/ Bitnet:   MARDER@HUJIAGRI
Faculty of Agriculture             |/  \ Phone:    (08 or +9728) 481918
P.O.Box 12, Rehovot 76100, ISRAEL  /     Fax:      (08 or +9728) 467763
UUENCODED by Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4]

BEGIN--cut here--cut here----
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In <3aoqi2$1m6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Jeffrey Altman writes:

>                             MS-DOS Kermit's network capabilities
> do not work in a DOS session unless you can dedicate a separate 
> network card to that session.

Not entirely true, there are ways to use MS-Kermit's network capabilities.
For example, I run multiple MS-Kermit sessions with NVT (Netware Virtual
Terminal) over a global IPX/ODI stack on OS/2, talking to a SCO Unix host
that's running an SPX/IPX stack. :-)

-- 
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                                              |
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>>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> writes:

    Frank> In article <CzMLA2.K01@liverpool.ac.uk>, Prof X. Chen
    Frank> <xchen@liverpool.ac.uk> wrote:
	    >> I use MSKermit 3.13 for the communication between my PC and
	    >> University Unix system. When I use it to transfer files, it is
	    >> ok to download files to my PC in a reasonable speed. However,
	    >> if I try to send files to the remote system, the speed becomes
	    >> very very slow and often do not work at all.
	    >> 
    Frank> This type of question is answered clearly and at length in
    Frank> the documentation.  Very briefly: There are five major
    Frank> items to be considered:

    Frank>  1. Interface speed -- use the highest possible speed,.......
    Frank>  2. Flow control -- use the most effective possible means......
    Frank>  3. Use long packets.  Tell the Kermit program which is......
    Frank>  4. Use sliding windows.  Tell *both* Kermit programs to........
    Frank>  5. Read about control-character unprefixing in the update
    Frank>     notes files that come with the current releases of C-Kermit
    Frank>     and MS-DOS Kermit.


I also have the file upload problem with MS-Kermit (Also C-Kermit in OS/2),
I can download file with packets length at 5012, but when I use the same
setting to upload file I got lots of timeout and eventually end up too many
retries error and fail to upload file. If I really need to upload file, I
need to increase the retry limit and set the packets length to 92, let the
file crawl from my PC to the host or I will just paste the file into an editor
in my host side (only work in ASCII file).

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In article <1994Nov17.125037@clstac>,
Kevin Anthony Stanchfield <kastanchfiel@csupomona.edu> wrote:
>I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through
>a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca.  The system at Cal Poly 
>is a VAX.  I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files.  Even 
>after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends.  My terminal is set to 
>9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on 
>port 2.  Can someone help?
>
>Thank You.
>


I have the same identical problem.  I can download from 8 bit systems
using 3 different commercial packages.  But everybody says kermit
is the only solution for 7 bit systems.  When I d'l a zip file,
pkunzip can read the zipped file directory, but it fails a crc check.
Why can't these people make life simple and switch to 8 bit?

any ideas?


Joe

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In article <1994Nov21.194523.4841@apgea.army.mil>,
Joseph E. Eisenmeier <jeeisenm> <jeeisenm> wrote:
>...
>I have the same identical problem.  I can download from 8 bit systems
>using 3 different commercial packages.  But everybody says kermit
>is the only solution for 7 bit systems.  When I d'l a zip file,
>pkunzip can read the zipped file directory, but it fails a crc check.
>Why can't these people make life simple and switch to 8 bit?
>
Because of billions of dollars of investment in the installed base of
communications equipment, and even in some cases, operating systems.

Let's be specific about exactly which Kermit software and which versions
of it we are talking about.  Released versions of Kermit software *do*
*work* in both the 7-bit and 8-bit environments.  There was a problem
with a couple of the Beta edits of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, but that's Beta
software, not released software.  The current Beta (14) should not have
any problems.

Leaving Betas aside for a moment, the standard method for transferring
files -- any kind of files -- over a 7-bit connection with Kermit is to
tell *both* Kermit programs to:

  SET PARITY EVEN

(or ODD, or MARK, or SPACE).  When Kermit's parity is set to anything
other than NONE, this enables -- in fact, forces -- 7-bit transfers,
meaning that 8-bit data gets encoded in a special 7-bit form that can
pass through the 7-bit connection.  This should always work.

In practice, it is usually only necessary to tell the file *sender*
to "set parity <whatever>", because then it will tell the receiver.
Newer Kermit versions (1990's vintage) will also detect even, odd, or
mark parity automatically, even if you don't give a "set parity"
command.  But they can't detect "space" parity, which is indistinguishable
from no parity at all, and which is increasingly common on terminal-server
connections, etc.

So to be safe, give a "set parity" command to both Kermit programs.

Finally, don't expect this to work with non-Columbia Kermit implementations.
In my experience, few of the shareware or commercial packages get this
stuff right.

- Frank

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In article <CHANG.94Nov21182356@theta.math.wsu.edu>,
Ching Mo Chang <chang@theta.math.wsu.edu> wrote:
>I also have the file upload problem with MS-Kermit (Also C-Kermit in OS/2),
>I can download file with packets length at 5012, but when I use the same
>setting to upload file I got lots of timeout and eventually end up too many
>retries error and fail to upload file. If I really need to upload file, I
>need to increase the retry limit and set the packets length to 92, let the
>file crawl from my PC to the host or I will just paste the file into an editor
>in my host side (only work in ASCII file).
>
This is not Kermit's fault.  You should be thankful that Kermit lets you
adjust these parameters to make the file transfer work at all.  Why is this
happening?  It's hard to say without more information, but the most likely
culprit is a lack of buffer capacity in the "upstream" direction, coupled
with a lack of effective flow control -- a fatal combination, and a common
one.

Many communications processors (terminal servers, front ends, host console
drivers) are designed on the assumption that traffic *to* the host consists
of nothing but keystrokes -- which hardly anybody can produce at more than
about ten per second (= 100 bps) -- whereas traffic in the downstream
direction is voluminous -- file listings, etc.  So they have big output
buffers and tiny input buffers.

To compound the problem, some communications processors take this assumption
one step further and do not even provide flow control in the upstream
direction, because they figure they will never need it.  A well-known example
is the Cisco ASM series of terminal servers.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Help with autodial in MSKERMIT - V3.11 DOS
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In article <kdesai.785471803@black.clarku.edu>,
Kamalkumar R. Desai <kdesai@black.clarku.edu> wrote:
>I am using DOS 6.22 and MSKERMIT V3.11 (Yes I will get 3.14 soon), I have
>written a small script to call my school using my modem and once connects
>types my username and password and logs me in. It works fine but I would
>like to start it from DOS prompt, i.e.  type "LOGMEIN.BAT" and this file
>should have one line.
>
>KERMIT SCHOOL.TAK
>
>That does works too i.e. I can start it from C:>/ prompt and would put me
>to my school $ prompt on vax. However whenever I hit Alt-X (Escape
>sequence) it puts me to DOS prompt rather then MS-KERMIT> prompt.  I am
>sure there is a way to do it so that it won't kick me out to DOS. I
>looked into Manual (Using Kermit.. F. Da'Cruz book) and README files but
>no avail.
>
Actually, the manual is:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.

Look on page 202, section Command Line Invocation:

  Several commands may be given on the command line, separated by commas.
  ...  MS-DOS Kermit will exit back to DOS after completing the specified
  commands unless you include the STAY commaand on the command line:

    C> kermit connect, stay

(end quote).

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <CznG7G.1ty@dorsai.org>, Vito Kwan <vkwan@dorsai.org> wrote:
>I am using MS-DOS kermit on my PC and try to find out how to re-dial a
>phone number at a certain time interval, like 5-seconds.
>Could someone please give me some hints?
>
Read the chapter on script programming in the manual?

Use any of the standard dialing scripts, which already do this?

Once again, the manual is:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: +1 212 854-3703

- Frank

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Kevin Anthony Stanchfield (kastanchfiel@csupomona.edu) wrote:
: I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through
: a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca.  The system at Cal Poly 
: is a VAX.  I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files.  Even 
: after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends.  My terminal is set to 
: 9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on 
: port 2.  Can someone help?

: Thank You.

VMS C-Kermit ignores the binary request for certain file types.  To force
it to transfer the file as binary, use

    SET FILE TYPE IMAGE

JamesS

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In article <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300.
>Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all.
>
>If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit
>makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see
>where else I can get one made.  (No, we do not have an example of every
>computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness
>of others"...
>

I will be more than happy to biuld 5A(190) for the 7300. I have the
stock compilers, and will leave most of the options in.

How would I go about submitting this to the archive?

-Craig
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From: lacko@enh.nist.gov (Tom Lacko)
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Anyone know of a screen dump utility (freeware, shareware, etc.) that I
can use with Kermit 3.12?  Thank you!


Tom Lacko
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We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy
facility that we have not had with 3.1.1. We would like to use this
version because of the new features and added network support. However,
the numerous problems prevent us from doing so. Specificly, the problmes
are thus:

	1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on
when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off.

	2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network.

	3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1.

	4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals
and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again,
it works in 3.11 version.

	5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem
4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not
getting to the PC.

WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers
to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. If the 
answer is to install version 3.1.4 to fix the problems, then we will do so
iff it addresses the problems we have encountered.

-Darren G. Pifer
Code 431 - NAVMASSO
Phone: (804) 523-8098
E-mail: pifer@cais.com

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From: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk (Scott Mordecai)
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I'm trying to get the latest version of C-Kermit going on a couple of Unix
boxes at work.  One is an ICL DRS6000 - I have compiled on there without a
problem (using make iclsys5r4).

The other box is a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, but I'm not completely sure what
unix version it is.  On loggin in it reports "UNIX(r) System V Release
4.0". After loggin in, it reports "SINIX Version 5.41".

Unfortunately there is no Siemens Nixdorf, or SINIX entry in the makefile.
I've tried compiling with "make sys5r4", but I just get a bunch of warnings
and finally and fails completely.  I was going to include all the messages
here, but thought better to save bandwidth and get some suggestions first.

Any ideas?

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Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems
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In article <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com>,  <pifer@cais.cais.com> wrote:
:We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy
:facility that we have not had with 3.1.1. We would like to use this
:version because of the new features and added network support. However,
:the numerous problems prevent us from doing so. Specificly, the problmes
:are thus:
:
:	1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on
:when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off.
:
:	2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network.
:
:	3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1.
:
:	4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals
:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again,
:it works in 3.11 version.
:
:	5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem
:4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not
:getting to the PC.
:
:WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers
:to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. If the 
:answer is to install version 3.1.4 to fix the problems, then we will do so
:iff it addresses the problems we have encountered.

Hmm, well, here's what I would take a crack at...

1) See if there isn't a macro that connects you to a machine and
   changes something around.  Do you connect by hand (set port tcp ...) or
   do you have a macro handle all of this?

2) Need more information for this one.  What type of network, etc...

3) What was the original functionality that doesn't work now.  Are you
   sure that you didn't change some local setting somewhere in your
   mscustom.ini after upgrading?
   
4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore.  Check the *.upd and
   *.bwr files.  Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command
   codes.  If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch
   of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do
   ``one-sided'' file transfers.

5) Hmmm...  I don't know what to say for this one.

Hope this helped a little.

        --Jerry

-- 
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Subject: Alternate character set
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I am using MS-Kermit to dial in to an IBM 3090 mainframe, through a protocol
converter.  Periodically, I will get line noise which causes Kermit to switch
character sets on me.  (I can recreate the problem by picking up the phone 
and setting it down quickly.) The character set appears to by Cyrillic or 
some graphical character set - I'm not sure.  I can use Kreset (alt-=) to 
restore the character set, but I would like to prevent the switch from 
ever happening. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to tell Kermit not to
make this switch?  By the way, I am using VT102 emulation in Kermit.  I'm 
willing to try other emulations if that would help, but VT102 works well with
our protocol converter, in that it provides printer support.  Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated.


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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
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Subject: Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled?
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Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled?

I want to add some modifications to kermit so when it sets up the tty 
it does the equivalent of stty -ignbrk -brkint parmrk, have kermit 
detect an incoming break (255 0 0) and send a break out the 
communications port then.

I know how to do the ioctl's and the break checking, but it is hard to 
find exactly what file and function I need to add my code to.
Just going by the file names and grepping for ioctl isn't as useful as I 
had hoped.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Alternate character set
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In article <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax>, rjfortho@indyunix.iupui.edu () writes:
> I am using MS-Kermit to dial in to an IBM 3090 mainframe, through a protocol
> converter.  Periodically, I will get line noise which causes Kermit to switch
> character sets on me.  (I can recreate the problem by picking up the phone 
> and setting it down quickly.) The character set appears to by Cyrillic or 
> some graphical character set - I
m not sure.  I can use Kreset (alt-=) to 
> restore the character set, but I would like to prevent the switch from 
> ever happening. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to tell Kermit not to
> make this switch?  By the way, I am using VT102 emulation in Kermit.  I'm 
> willing to try other emulations if that would help, but VT102 works well with
> our protocol converter, in that it provides printer support.  Any suggestions
> would be greatly appreciated.
---------
	Those would be control codes SI and SO which change character
sets on you. A real VT100 will do exactly the same. Use VT320 where
these two codes switch amongst the same character sets most of the
item, or get your phone line fixed. I can't assist with your mainframe
terminal facilties vis VT320's so I wish you luck with that end.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems
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In article <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com>, pifer@cais.cais.com () writes:
> We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy
> facility that we have not had with 3.1.1. We would like to use this
> version because of the new features and added network support. However,
> the numerous problems prevent us from doing so. Specificly, the problmes
> are thus:
	<details omitted>
> WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers
> to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. If the 
> answer is to install version 3.1.4 to fix the problems, then we will do so
> iff it addresses the problems we have encountered.
> 
> -Darren G. Pifer
> Code 431 - NAVMASSO
> Phone: (804) 523-8098
> E-mail: pifer@cais.com
---------------
	I very seriously doubt that Columbia turned a deaf ear. Maybe a
little personality clash or things just got lost in the shuffle?
	As the author of MSK please send me more details directly and I
will see if we can understand some of them. jrd@cc.usu.edu.
	Joe D.

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From: ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Ralphe Neill)
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I have just compiled C-Kermit 5A(190) under SunOS 4.0.2 and have
noted what seems to be the re-appearance of an old "feature" -
entering "stat" after "fin" gives the results for the "finish"
instead of the last file(s). I remember this being noted as a bug
years ago but it was then fixed in, I think, (179).

It's not the most serious of problems but, if I haven't missed
something, I thought that it was worth pointing out.

Ralphe Neill

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Subject: Re: winsock/MS-Kermit hack possible? (Was: winsock/pkt drv hack...)
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In article <1994Nov21.105430.33454@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> 	Nice idea but not practical here. There are a great many
> coupling threads (variables, calls) between the high level and comms
> level material in Kermit so that control may be exercised and speed
> retained. And there is much more to comms than serial or the internal
> TCP/IP stack; SET PORT exhibits the list (and some choices transparently
> encompass two or three variations from the same vendor).
> 	Winsock is for pure Windows programs, not for DOS programs.
> 	MS-DOS Kermit removes itself from comms channels when done with
> them. Few commercial TCP/IP stacks do so (none that I know of). Were
> winsock guys to get off the pot when done the problem would be smaller.
> So please consider hounding your winsock vendor to go un-TSR upon last
> close and to not be present until an application makes a demand.
> 	Joe D. 

I can use Trumpet Winsock (version 1, beta 6) and MS-Kermit, but not at
the same time, and I can switch back and forth using either one, one at
a time. I use WINPKT+ODITRPKT+ODI drivers.

A guy from New Zealand says that he is able to use Winsock and KA9Q at
the same time without stopping the other one. He is even using the same
IP address for both of them! He uses PKTMUX.

I think that XFS is a hack which allows you to have NFS and Winsock
simultaneously.

Is it possible to use MS-Kermit and Winsock simultaneously with PKTMUX,
and both stacks having the same IP number?

I see the following problems:

Who answers to ICMP echo (ping, that is)? How about other ICMP messages?

How does one avoid using the same port numbers in both stacks? Could Joe
add a client port range parameter to MS-Kermit, and is the same possible
on the Winsock side, so that the two ranges would not overlap? Of
course, for Winsock this would be stack brand dependent. Peter Tattam,
do you hear?

When MS-Kermit 3.14 sends RARP for its own address (the duplicate
check), will the Winsock answer it and thus trigger a false alarm?

Can these problems be circumvented?
--
Juhani Jaakola, jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled?
Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:09:07 GMT
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In article <3audd2$dk0@homesick.cs.unlv.edu>,
Frank Lofaro <ftlofaro@unlv.edu> wrote:
>Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled?
>
>I want to add some modifications to kermit so when it sets up the tty 
>it does the equivalent of stty -ignbrk -brkint parmrk, have kermit 
>detect an incoming break (255 0 0) and send a break out the 
>communications port then.
>
Although you did not say so, I assume you are talking about C-Kermit.

C-Kermit is a software program that runs on literally hundreds of
different platforms, and I am responsible for it, so you should
probably contact me directly.  Locally hacked versions of C-Kermit
are discouraged, as a matter of self-preservation.

- Frank



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Trouble compiling C-Kermit
Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:16:51 GMT
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In article <785528659snz@musicman.demon.co.uk>,
Scott Mordecai <scott@musicman.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>I'm trying to get the latest version of C-Kermit going on a couple of Unix
>boxes at work.  One is an ICL DRS6000 - I have compiled on there without a
>problem (using make iclsys5r4).
>
Running which version of UNIX?  (I'd like to confirm that it works on
DRS/NX System V R4.2.)

>The other box is a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, but I'm not completely sure what
>unix version it is.  On loggin in it reports "UNIX(r) System V Release
>4.0". After loggin in, it reports "SINIX Version 5.41".
>
This is a new one on me.  Maybe you could send me the compilation log
directory (don't post it to the newsgroup).  There is a makefile entry for
Nixdorf Targon/31 with an operating system called TOS, which is based on
System V R3, but that is probably not the same thing.  But it is a pretty
generic SVR3 version so it might be worth a try.

In any case, please let's continue this offline.  If anybody else has
some feedback about the ICL and/or Nixdorf C-Kermit versions, please come
forward.

Thanks!

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems
Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:31:08 GMT
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In article <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com>,  <pifer@cais.cais.com> wrote:
>We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy
>facility...
>WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers
>to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear.
>
We get about 500 tech support requests per day by phone, email, and postal
mail.  We try to handle all of them.  We do not deliberately ignore any
queries or requests for help.  We do not turn a deaf ear, but (as Joe said)
items sometimes do get lost in the shuffle, because sometimes we are 
overwhelmed by the sheer volume.

If features are broken, we want to fix them.  If features are poorly
documented, we want to improve the documentation.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Alternate character set
Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:46:59 GMT
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In article <1994Nov22.222550.33619@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>In article <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax>,
>rjfortho@indyunix.iupui.edu () writes: 
>> I am using MS-Kermit to dial in to an IBM 3090 mainframe, through a protocol
>> converter.  Periodically, I will get line noise which causes Kermit to
>> switch character sets on me.
>Those would be control codes SI and SO which change character
>sets on you. A real VT100 will do exactly the same. Use VT320 where
>these two codes switch amongst the same character sets most of the time...
>
It is a fundamental limitation of terminal/host communication that noise
can be generated on the communication channel that looks to the terminal
exactly like a legitimate control function.  Control functions can do
anything at all -- not just switch character sets.  You can avoid this
situation by setting up an error-corrected terminal session via SLIP, or
making a network connection instead of a serial connection, etc.  You can
minimize (but no eliminate) the risks of this on a dialup connection by
using an error-correcting modem and hardware flow control.

When you can't avoid a noisy connection, and you only care about ASCII
characters (i.e. you don't ever want to see accented letters, etc), then
you can designate ASCII to all four of Kermit's terminal character-set
tables as follows:

  SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET ASCII G0 G1 G2 G3

Consult "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Appendix II, "Terminal Character Set
Terminology and Mechanics", pp.289-290, for details.  For further details,
read ISO standards 4873 and 2022, or a VT220 or VT320 Programmer Reference
Manual.

- Frank

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jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi wrote:
% Is it possible to use MS-Kermit and Winsock simultaneously with PKTMUX,
% and both stacks having the same IP number?

Yes. We do that here. We run MS-Kermit and Trumpet Winsock
simultaneously and it works. (The IP no. and other IP info is
supplied by a bootp server.) I constantly marvel at how clever it is! 

% I see the following problems:

% Who answers to ICMP echo (ping, that is)? How about other ICMP messages?

% How does one avoid using the same port numbers in both stacks? Could Joe
% add a client port range parameter to MS-Kermit, and is the same possible
% on the Winsock side, so that the two ranges would not overlap? Of
% course, for Winsock this would be stack brand dependent. Peter Tattam,
% do you hear?

% When MS-Kermit 3.14 sends RARP for its own address (the duplicate
% check), will the Winsock answer it and thus trigger a false alarm?

% Can these problems be circumvented?

I am not competent to answer these questions, but we don't have any
problems of this kind.

Leila
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>On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote:
>
>> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd
>> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that
>> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the
>> winsock interface. 

Hello,
 there4s a program called COMt around, that redirects MS-Windows
calls to COM-Ports to the internet.
Microsoft4s  tcpip32 winsockets for Windows for Workgroups come with
DOS-programs like ping, that are redirected to the tcpip32 winsockets.
Could any programmer put these things together to build the above
mentioned shim?
  
  Johannes


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From: pifer@cais2.cais.com ()
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Subject: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems
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>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos)
>
>:	1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on
>:when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off.
>:
>:	2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network.
>:
>:	3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1.
>:
>:	4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals
>:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again,
>:it works in 3.11 version.
>:
>:	5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem
>:4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not
>:getting to the PC.
>:
>Hmm, well, here's what I would take a crack at...
>
>1) See if there isn't a macro that connects you to a machine and
>   changes something around.  Do you connect by hand (set port tcp ...) or
>   do you have a macro handle all of this? 

I have removed all macros out of the `take` file. The problem appears
to be the way the UNIX system is initializing the terminal type, 

ie. tput init

That command seems to reset the terminal which includes adding kermits'
status line back. This worked in V3.13.

>2) Need more information for this one.  What type of network, etc...

I am not sure the real problem behind this -- it could be that our LAN
is just experiencing some traffic problems causing the drop in connection.
I will try to find out more on this as the other problems are ironed out.

>3) What was the original functionality that doesn't work now.  Are you
>   sure that you didn't change some local setting somewhere in your
>   mscustom.ini after upgrading?

There might just be a misunderstood idea of how it works; most people here
think by setting rollback to 0 that there will be unlimited amount of
screens to be saved. I will have to clarify this everyone involved here so
that this one can be resolved without any testing involved. 
   
>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore.  Check the *.upd and
>   *.bwr files.  Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command
>   codes.  If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch
>   of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do
>   ``one-sided'' file transfers.

I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to
set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on
the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files
where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such?

>5) Hmmm...  I don't know what to say for this one.

I am not sure either but will get to this one when the others are resolved.

>Hope this helped a little.
>

Thanks for the suggestions and for any other ideas.

Darren G. Pifer
NAVMASSO - Code 431
Phone: (804) 523-8098
E-mail: pifer@cais.com

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, pifer@cais2.cais.com () writes:
>>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos)
	<much omitted>    
>>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore.  Check the *.upd and
>>   *.bwr files.  Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command
>>   codes.  If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch
>>   of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do
>>   ``one-sided'' file transfers.
> 
> I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to
> set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on
> the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files
> where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such?

	SET TERMINAL APC ? to see the only thing one can do on the clients.
It's that simple this time. The host's APC command has the text strings
(client Kermit commands) to be executed on the client. Creative folks may
wish to invoke macros on the client, and have those macros defined on the
client rather than sending long strings from the host. 
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems
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In article <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
> In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>,  <pifer@cais2.cais.com> wrote:
> :>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos)
> :>:	3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1.
> :>:
> :>:	4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals
> :>:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again,
> :>:it works in 3.11 version.
	<big chunks omitted>
> :There might just be a misunderstood idea of how it works; most people here
> :think by setting rollback to 0 that there will be unlimited amount of
> :screens to be saved. I will have to clarify this everyone involved here so
> :that this one can be resolved without any testing involved. 

	Rollback 0 has always meant, and continues to mean, no rollback
screens.
 
> Well, I would chalk it up to a misunderstanding.  For as long as I can
> remember, rollback 0 meant to turn off rollback.  In fact, give me a
> sec...  Yep, double-checking in my Using MS-Kermit v3.11 (didn't want
> to use the latest, just in case something may have changed), it says
> the same thing.
> 
> :>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore.  Check the *.upd and
> :>   *.bwr files.  Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command
> :>   codes.  If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch
> :>   of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do
> :>   ``one-sided'' file transfers.
> :
> :I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to
> :set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on
> :the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files
> :where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such?
> 
> Okay, here are the macros from C-Kermit:
> 
> define pcget apc {send \%1 \%2}, receive
> define pcsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),-
>   if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},-
>   set delay 1, apc receive,-
>   if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,-  ; Single file with as-name
>   else send \%1              ; or wildcard with no as-name
> 
> Make sure you do ``set term apc on'' to enable this feature.  I think
> that MS-Kermit only accepts and understand APC signals, but doesn't
> send and out.
-------------
	Both. MSK 3.14 has command APC to send to a host, in addition to
VTxxx reception of them.
	Thanks Jerry,
	Joe D.

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In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, pifer@cais2.cais.com wrote:

>I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how
>to set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that
>same on the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not
>have .ini files where they are defined. Do you have any examples of
>such?

    I can help with this one (since I've used both apc and terminalR/
    terminalS).  There's nothing to set up on the PC side with apc, no
    terminalR or terminalS macros.  That's the idea-- apc is more
    flexible.  You just have the host Kermit execute 'apc comma,
    separated,list,of,commands', and this list will be sent to the PC,
    which will execute them as though they were a comma separated list
    of commands in a macro definition.  The PC Kermit automatically
    goes to command mode when it recieves an apc, and automatically
    returns to terminal mode after it finishes executing the commands.

    The only thing that you may want to set on your PC is the 'terminal
    apc' variable.  Default is 'on', which enables "safe" commands.  If
    you want your apc to include delete, run (shell to DOS), or other
    "unsafe" commands, you need to 'set terminal apc unchecked' first. 
    This itself can be done from the host, with a separate apc command. 
    Note that terminal apc should be reset back to 'on' as soon as
    possible.  The apc from the host can also instruct your PC to
    execute a macro or take file you want something.

    One last little note:  If you want a backslash sent in an apc
    command (eg. directory specifications) from a Unix host, it seems
    to be necessary to escape it with a second one, or it isn't sent.

    Hope that helps.

    					Jeff

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In article <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos
(darkstar@chopin.udel.edu) wrote:

>Make sure you do ``set term apc on'' to enable this feature.  I think
>that MS-Kermit only accepts and understand APC signals, but doesn't
>send and out.

    Quickly checking kermit.hlp for 3.13, this seems to be the case. 
    This is probably because if you want to control the host Kermit
    from the PC end, you put the host Kermit in server mode.

    					Jeff

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From: kastanchfiel@csupomona.edu (Kevin Anthony Stanchfield)
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First of all, I would like to thank you all for your help in gitting
my machine to download binary al well as text files... The "SET PARITY
SPACE" worked!!  No I got a new prob., the transfers are soooo slow!
And, they never finish, the always fail.  I'm using a 14.4 to call up a 
9600 baud telnet site to connect to my university.  Hardware flow control,
7s1, set parity space, windows 4, port speed is 57.6K, I'm using MS-Kermit
3.14,...  What else it there?

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From: alun@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alun Jenkins)
Subject: DPS 6 kermit !
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Hello!,

I have the doubtful honour of trying to get DPS 6 kermit working
Unfortunatly i dont have a C compiler can any one help
Im running GCOS V2.0

Alun Jenkins

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From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
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In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>,  <pifer@cais2.cais.com> wrote:
:>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos)
:>
:>:	1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on
:>:when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off.
:>:
:>:	2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network.
:>:
:>:	3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1.
:>:
:>:	4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals
:>:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again,
:>:it works in 3.11 version.
:>:
:>:	5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem
:>:4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not
:>:getting to the PC.
:>:
:>Hmm, well, here's what I would take a crack at...
:>
:>1) See if there isn't a macro that connects you to a machine and
:>   changes something around.  Do you connect by hand (set port tcp ...) or
:>   do you have a macro handle all of this? 
:
:I have removed all macros out of the `take` file. The problem appears
:to be the way the UNIX system is initializing the terminal type, 
:
:ie. tput init
:
:That command seems to reset the terminal which includes adding kermits'
:status line back. This worked in V3.13.

Okay, what's probably happening is that tput is trying to (and
succeeding at reinitializing your screen).  What you want to do is tell
tput to set the information for the host and just reset the terminal
(thus you're assuming everything on the terminal is fine--which it
should be).  So, just use the ``tput reset'' command in your .login. 
The ``reset'' argument tells it to just reset the terminal instead of
reinitializing it...

:>2) Need more information for this one.  What type of network, etc...
:
:I am not sure the real problem behind this -- it could be that our LAN
:is just experiencing some traffic problems causing the drop in connection.
:I will try to find out more on this as the other problems are ironed out.
:
:>3) What was the original functionality that doesn't work now.  Are you
:>   sure that you didn't change some local setting somewhere in your
:>   mscustom.ini after upgrading?
:
:There might just be a misunderstood idea of how it works; most people here
:think by setting rollback to 0 that there will be unlimited amount of
:screens to be saved. I will have to clarify this everyone involved here so
:that this one can be resolved without any testing involved. 

Well, I would chalk it up to a misunderstanding.  For as long as I can
remember, rollback 0 meant to turn off rollback.  In fact, give me a
sec...  Yep, double-checking in my Using MS-Kermit v3.11 (didn't want
to use the latest, just in case something may have changed), it says
the same thing.

:>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore.  Check the *.upd and
:>   *.bwr files.  Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command
:>   codes.  If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch
:>   of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do
:>   ``one-sided'' file transfers.
:
:I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to
:set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on
:the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files
:where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such?

Okay, here are the macros from C-Kermit:

define pcget apc {send \%1 \%2}, receive
define pcsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),-
  if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},-
  set delay 1, apc receive,-
  if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,-  ; Single file with as-name
  else send \%1              ; or wildcard with no as-name

Make sure you do ``set term apc on'' to enable this feature.  I think
that MS-Kermit only accepts and understand APC signals, but doesn't
send and out.

:>5) Hmmm...  I don't know what to say for this one.
:
:I am not sure either but will get to this one when the others are resolved.
:
:>Hope this helped a little.
:>
:Thanks for the suggestions and for any other ideas.

Glad to be of help.

        --Jerry

-- 
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download?
Date: 24 Nov 1994 16:30:32 GMT
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In article <1994Nov23.225128@clstac>,
Kevin Anthony Stanchfield <kastanchfiel@csupomona.edu> wrote:
>First of all, I would like to thank you all for your help in gitting
>my machine to download binary al well as text files... The "SET PARITY
>SPACE" worked!!  No I got a new prob., the transfers are soooo slow!
>And, they never finish, the always fail.  I'm using a 14.4 to call up a 
>9600 baud telnet site to connect to my university.  Hardware flow control,
>7s1, set parity space, windows 4, port speed is 57.6K, I'm using MS-Kermit
>3.14,...  What else it there?
>
Long packets.  Tell the file receiver to "set receive packet-length 1000"
or thereabouts.

Control-character unprefixing.  Read about this in the KERMIT.UPD file.

The real question remains: why are your transfers failing?  Let's figure
this one out, and then we can make them as fast as possible.

Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "log packet", then try to transfer a file.  Then
tell MS-DOS Kermit to "close packet", and send the resulting PACKET.LOG
file by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu for analysis.

- Frank

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Sorry if this is a trivial question but...

I want to download a file from Unix to a BBS using Xmodem. I
don't have control over the protocol/software used by the BBS
machine. Here is what I did (and it didn't work...)

------- Kermit session ------

set modem hayes
set line /dev/cua1		
set file type binary
set speed 9600
dial BBS_NUMBER
connect

% 	Here I placed the BBS software in the recieve mode
%

% I tried

run xmodem -sbk my_file

% And

!xmodem -sbk my_file


------- End of Kermit session ------

What am I doing wrong? If someone know how to do it using tip, I'll
appreciate too.

Thank you


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From: nmiller@trincoll.edu (Norman Miller)
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Subject: Re: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit
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Thanks to Joe Doupnik for his reply.  Version 3.14 is up and running
and all is well.  There were some problems with the instructions in
hebrew.doc (getting back to English) but not serious.

The one problem I haven't solved may be with 3.14 itself.  I have no trouble
using zmodem when running under 4dos.com.  The same command processor,
however, isn't recognized when I run Kermit under Desqview.  Other than that,
MS-Kermit continues to be the best I've seen.

Norman Miller

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From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis)
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I (leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk) wrote:
% Yes. We do that here. We run MS-Kermit and Trumpet Winsock
% simultaneously and it works. (The IP no. and other IP info is
% supplied by a bootp server.) I constantly marvel at how clever it is! 

And I was asked by email for details of the setup we use. In case
anyone else is interested:

If running over packet drivers I load the following before starting
Windows. I use 3 pktdrv's (I had some problems with only 2, though
that should have been enough, 1 for Kermit & 1 for Winsock)

	rmftpat2 0x78  [ packet driver for my ethernet card ]
	pktmux /i 3
	pktdrv
	pktdrv
	pktdrv

This is the odi solution we use when we also want to connect to a
NetWare server:

	lsl
	rmodiat2       [ this is odi driver for my ethernet card ]
	odipkt 1 0x78 
	pktmux 3  
	pktdrv  
	pktdrv  
	pktdrv  
[then NetWare stuff]
	ipxodi
	netx
	login

And in my net.cfg I have:

Link Support
	Max Stacks 8
	buffers 8 1600
	MemPool 4096

Link Driver rmodiat2
	Frame Ethernet_802.3
	Frame Ethernet_II
	Protocol IPX 0 Ethernet_802.3

; I have no idea if I need this next chunk but it works so I leave it in
Protocol TCPIP
	tcp_sockets     8
	udp_sockets     8
	raw_sockets     1
	nb_sessions     4
	nb_commands     8
	nb_adapter      0
	nb_domain       

show dots = on
long machine type = RM_PC
file handles = 80
get local target stacks = 10
spx = 20
preferred server = CS06

Then I run Windows. Both Kermit and Winsock are in my path. Both get
their IP configuration info from a bootp server running on a unix box.

Hope this helps,

Leila
-- 
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From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin)
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I have a kermit script which reads a line at a time from a text file and
outputs it to the active com port.  The problem I have is that some of the
text in the file consists of the \ character followed by numbers.  When
the line is output to the com port it will sometimes transmit translated
characters rather than the original text from the file.  For example, an
'output aaa\97128bbb' will generate 'aaa\97128bbb' while 'output
aaa\47122bbb' generates two strange characters sandwiched between 'aaa'
and 'bbb'.  Is there any way of disabling the \ translation feature
temporarily in a script? 

--
Antonio Querubin  
tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <Czpo7K.3Jx@news.hawaii.edu>,
Antonio Querubin <tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu> wrote:
>I have a kermit script which reads a line at a time from a text file and
>outputs it to the active com port.
>
Using which Kermit program, and what version?

When commenting on the behavior of a software program, it is always a
good idea to say which program it is, and which version of it.

>The problem I have is that some of the text in the file consists of the \
>character followed by numbers.  When the line is output to the com port
>it will sometimes transmit translated characters rather than the original
>text from the file.  ...  Is there any way of disabling the \ translation
>feature temporarily in a script?
>
Yes.  In C-Kermit 5A(190), there is "set command quoting off".  Also, in
both C-Kermit 5A (188-190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (but not earlier), you
should be able to do something like this:

  read \%a
  output \fcontents(\%a)

By the way, a similar kind of problem occurs whenever you need to refer
to DOS-like pathnames in a Kermit script.  The solutions are the same.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit
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In article <3b2e0r$99g@yar.trincoll.edu>, nmiller@trincoll.edu (Norman Miller) writes:
> Thanks to Joe Doupnik for his reply.  Version 3.14 is up and running
> and all is well.  There were some problems with the instructions in
> hebrew.doc (getting back to English) but not serious.
> 
> The one problem I haven't solved may be with 3.14 itself.  I have no trouble
> using zmodem when running under 4dos.com.  The same command processor,

	Look at COMSPEC= in your Environment and see  "...\4dos.com" which 
means binary four to Kermit. Had 4dos.com been named fourdos.com there would 
have been no problem.
	Joe D.

> however, isn't recognized when I run Kermit under Desqview.  Other than that,
> MS-Kermit continues to be the best I've seen.


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For Infobahn surfers, a first cut at a home page for Kermit.  The URL is:

  http://www.columbia.edu/~kermit/

Comments welcome, via email to kermit@columbia.edu -- please let's not
clog the newsgroup with discussions about home-page and HTML trivia.

I'd appreciate having pointers to this new home page added to home pages
in other locations.

And yes, I know there are no pictures of frogs.  That is on purpose;
please don't bother sending frog pictures.  Thanks.

- Frank

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download?
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In article <3b2f39$5pq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <1994Nov23.225128@clstac>,
> Kevin Anthony Stanchfield <kastanchfiel@csupomona.edu> wrote:
>>First of all, I would like to thank you all for your help in gitting
>>my machine to download binary al well as text files... The "SET PARITY
>>SPACE" worked!!  No I got a new prob., the transfers are soooo slow!
>>And, they never finish, the always fail.  I'm using a 14.4 to call up a 
>>9600 baud telnet site to connect to my university.  Hardware flow control,
>>7s1, set parity space, windows 4, port speed is 57.6K, I'm using MS-Kermit
>>3.14,...  What else it there?
>>
> Long packets.  Tell the file receiver to "set receive packet-length 1000"
> or thereabouts.
> 
> Control-character unprefixing.  Read about this in the KERMIT.UPD file.
> 
> The real question remains: why are your transfers failing?  Let's figure
> this one out, and then we can make them as fast as possible.
> 
> Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "log packet", then try to transfer a file.  Then
> tell MS-DOS Kermit to "close packet", and send the resulting PACKET.LOG
> file by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu for analysis.
> 
> - Frank

Just to add a data point: with a high load on the computer that I'm 
posting from (a DEC 7000), transfers will hang sometimes.  MS-Kermit 
will then go into its retry cycle.  I've had it time out, even with 
retries set to 63.  Fortunately, it's a rare occurrence.

Good luck.

Troy Smith

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In article <1994Nov24.151213.78500@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>,
<tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wrote:
>Just to add a data point: with a high load on the computer that I'm 
>posting from (a DEC 7000), transfers will hang sometimes.  MS-Kermit 
>will then go into its retry cycle.  I've had it time out, even with 
>retries set to 63.  Fortunately, it's a rare occurrence.
>
Right.  Of course, if the load on one or both systems is hideously
high, or the network is horribly congested, then Kermit can time out
before the expected packet comes, even though it would have come
eventually.  Here again, the user has control.  The solution is to
increase the timeout interval, rather than the retry limit.  The
trick is to avoid unnecessary retransmissions, not to increase the
number of them.  The command is "set receive timeout", which should
be given to both Kermit programs in advance of the transfer, for
example:

  set receive timeout 20

to increase the timeout interval from the default 5 seconds to
20 seconds.  If you know the connection is good, but very slow,
you can use "set receive timeout 0", meaning wait forever for
each packet, and don't time out.  For greater detail, see the
Command Summary section of "Using MS-DOS Kermit".

- Frank

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Subject: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and PPP
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I've been told by my Internet service provider that, for my SLIP account,
I need to use "dynamic" IP addressing in lieu of "static" IP addressing.  
I've also been told that, if I switch from SLIP to PPP, I won't need to 
worry about dynamic versus static IP addressing because PPP does what I 
need it to do.  I'm confused.

I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and its built-in TCP/IP support in tandem with
the SLIP8250 packet driver.  Sometimes I can initiate a TCP/IP connection 
to a remote host, sometimes I can't.  Apparently, the reason for this 
intermittent success is that my service provider uses different terminal 
servers, some of which only support dynamic IP addressing.

1.  Does MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 support dynamic IP addressing?  If so, what 
_is_ "dynamic" IP addressing?  And how do I implement it?

2.  If MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 does not support dynamic IP addressing, then it 
seems I need to switch from SLIP to PPP.  Correct?  Is there a PPP driver 
for MS-DOS (and not Windows 3.1)?  If so, where can I find this driver?

If none of this inquiry makes any sense, it's because I don't really 
understand what I'm asking.  I only understand that my service provider 
can't help me--they only know and support Winsock applications.  They 
only pretend to listen to me after I've uttered the word "Kermit".

Thanks for your help.


---
Jim Monty
monty@indirect.com (Internet Direct, Inc. in Phoenix, Arizona)

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From: david@djwhome.demon.co.uk (David Woolley)
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Subject: Re: Telnet Data Mark displays as "r" on MSK 3.13.
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Summary: Problem seems to be DM sequence split across segments.
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In article <1994Nov21.074313.33432@cc.usu.edu>
   jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>	Data Marks are rather rare events, but you ought not have seen
>an "r" as a consequence. DMARK is 242 decimal, which after chopping the
>high bit yields 114 decimal "r". But the DMARK should have been sent as
>IAC DMARK (255 242), and the Kermit Telnet code would (quotes) have absorbed
>both bytes.
.....
>	If you still have the trace I'd appreciate receiving a copy.

The original log I had was just the ALT Z screen from NCSA
telnet.  However, I have now done a trace with KA9Q (I couldn't
get the packet driver trace to log anything, although it has
worked before - possibly something to do with using ODIPKT now?).
There is no kermit involvement in the tracing process.

It appears that the data mark is being split between two
segments, which appears to me to be a legitimate, although
perverse, interpretation of RFC 854.

In the following, one delete, the default interrupt character, is
entered at the login prompt.  I have the kermit option
negotiation trace, and the full KA9Q trace, but it seems to me
that the options are irrelevant.  I've pruned the data from ACKs.
Using the login sequence as an example was to reduce the length
of the trace.  The symptom is easily repeatable.  (It's even
repeatable on new versions of KEATERM, but not older ones!!!)

[ A fuller trace has been sent to JRD ]



Thu Nov 24 12:51:30 1994 - et0 recv:
Ether: len 63 00:80:0f:66:bd:8c->00:00:c0:2d:5f:81 type IP
IP: len 47 193.130.6.37->193.130.6.73 ihl 20 ttl 59 tos 16 prot TCP
TCP: 23->1024 Seq xa4559a5f Ack x2163e01f ACK PSH Wnd 4096 Data 7
0030  10 00 69 f0 00 00 6c 6f 67 69 6e 3a 20 00 4e     ..ip..login: .N

>>>>> ACK

Backspace and echo sent by mistake.
Thu Nov 24 12:51:38 1994 - et0 rec
>>>>> ACK

Thu Nov 24 12:51:39 1994 - et0 sent:
Ether: len 55 00:00:c0:2d:5f:81->00:80:0f:66:bd:8c type IP
IP: len 41 193.130.6.73->193.130.6.37 ihl 20 ttl 63 prot TCP
TCP: 1024->23 Seq x2163e020 Ack xa4559a67 ACK PSH Wnd 11680 Data 1
0030  2d a0 2f 60 00 00 7f                             - /`...
========================^^=============================================DEL

Thu Nov 24 12:51:39 1994 - et0 recv:
Ether: len 61 00:80:0f:66:bd:8c->00:00:c0:2d:5f:81 type IP
IP: len 41 193.130.6.37->193.130.6.73 ihl 20 ttl 59 tos 16 prot TCP
TCP: 23->1024 Seq xa4559a67 Ack x2163e021 URG ACK PSH Wnd 4096 UP x1 Data 1
==========================================^^^
0030  10 00 cc dd 00 01 ff 00 20 20 20 20 20           ..L]....     
========================^^=============================================IAC

<<<<< ACK

>>>>> ACK

Thu Nov 24 12:51:39 1994 - et0 recv:
Ether: len 61 00:80:0f:66:bd:8c->00:00:c0:2d:5f:81 type IP
IP: len 41 193.130.6.37->193.130.6.73 ihl 20 ttl 59 tos 16 prot TCP
TCP: 23->1024 Seq xa4559a68 Ack x2163e021 ACK PSH Wnd 4096 Data 1
0030  10 00 d9 fd 00 00 f2 00 20 20 20 20 20           ..Y}..r.     
========================^^===============================================DM

>>>>> ACK

-- 
David Woolley, London, England                     david@djwhome.demon.co.uk
Demon supplies me with IP/SMTP/NNTP.  *.demon hosts are independently managed.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and PPP
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In article <Czsuwq.LL1@indirect.com>, monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes:
> I've been told by my Internet service provider that, for my SLIP account,
> I need to use "dynamic" IP addressing in lieu of "static" IP addressing.  
> I've also been told that, if I switch from SLIP to PPP, I won't need to 
> worry about dynamic versus static IP addressing because PPP does what I 
> need it to do.  I'm confused.
> 
> I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and its built-in TCP/IP support in tandem with
> the SLIP8250 packet driver.  Sometimes I can initiate a TCP/IP connection 
> to a remote host, sometimes I can't.  Apparently, the reason for this 
> intermittent success is that my service provider uses different terminal 
> servers, some of which only support dynamic IP addressing.
> 
> 1.  Does MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 support dynamic IP addressing?  If so, what 
> _is_ "dynamic" IP addressing?  And how do I implement it?

	It is not a client option. It is how the other side may choose
to hand out IP addresses to clients. SLIP has no provision to supply
this via a protocol transfer so you may need to read it off the screen or
similar. Dynamic in this case means drawn from a pool of IP addresses on
some server machine.
	Cicso terminal servers support bootp over SLIP and that will provide
the information. I have no idea about other host connections.
 
> 2.  If MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 does not support dynamic IP addressing, then it 
> seems I need to switch from SLIP to PPP.  Correct?  Is there a PPP driver 
> for MS-DOS (and not Windows 3.1)?  If so, where can I find this driver?

	See above. PPP can do the same. However, there is no formal way
of transferring that information to the overlying TCP/IP protocol stack.
Each vendor has different methods (if any). MS-DOS Kermit can obtain that
information from the DOS Environment and from Novell's NET.CFG file for
the case of Telebit PPP drivers.
	Bootp may or may not work in your environment.
 
> If none of this inquiry makes any sense, it's because I don't really 
> understand what I'm asking.  I only understand that my service provider 
> can't help me--they only know and support Winsock applications.  They 
> only pretend to listen to me after I've uttered the word "Kermit".
	Then you need a better service provider. Winsock means TCP/IP
stack, Windows or not, and thus the problem is exactly the same for DOS
and Windows.
	Joe D. 

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Subject: Icon contest
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Needed: The perfect Windows 3.x icon for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.  Should
have a professional look, and should suggest Kermit's use as a
communications program (with perhaps a hint at its networking, graphics,
and/or international character-set capabilities, and/or speed and
flexibility, etc).

No frogs of any kind will be considered, nor (but not necessarily) any
other kind of animal, puppet, or cartoon character, although graphical
puns (not too obscure) on "3.14" might not be ruled out(*).  Judging and
selection will be arbitrary and capricious.  The winner will get full
credit in the KERMIT\WINDOWS\READ.ME file.

- Frank

(*) There is no truth to the rumor that future releases of MS-DOS Kermit
    will be be 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, 3.14159263...

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For Kermit News #6, due out soon(er or later), we'd like to collect some
stories, testimonials, quotes, and/or evidence of the usefulness of the
character-set conversion capabilities found in MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit,
and IBM Mainframe Kermit.

If you are using these capabilities in terminal connection / emulation
(i.e. CONNECT mode) or in text-mode file transfer, please drop a note via
email to kermit@columbia.edu and let us know.  We'd like to hear from
everybody, but we'd especially like to hear from people in Eastern Europe and
the former Soviet Union about the Latin-2 and Cyrillic capabilities, since we
have received, until now, so little feedback on these: how do people in the
Czech Republic or Poland or Hungary deal with the incompatibility of Code
Page 852 and ISO Latin-2 in their data communications if not with Kermit?
How do Russians, Bielorussians, Ukranians, and Bulgarians convert among the
KOI8, Short KOI, ISO Latin/Cyrillic, DKOI, etc, encodings for Cyrillic text
if not with Kermit?

We know, for example, that Russian newsgroups are in KOI8, but Russian PCs
use "Alternative Cyrillic" a.k.a. CP866 -- MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit handle
this fine, although the complete package -- fonts, keyboard drivers, complete
mappings, etc -- was not included in the basic package until version 3.14.

What about Poland -- I see there are some pl.* Polish newsgroups, but I can't
get access to them from here.  What character sets are used, etc?

But like I said, more commonplace stories are welcome too, from Western
Europe, Latin America, Canada -- anywhere.  Japan and Israel are pretty well
covered, but if are using Kermit's Hebrew and Kanji capabilities and we
haven't heard from you, feel free to jump in!

And if you have any other Amazing Stories involving Kermit software, send
them in too -- get published!

Thanks.

- Frank

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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In article <Czpo7K.3Jx@news.hawaii.edu>,
: Antonio Querubin <tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu> wrote:
: >I have a kermit script which reads a line at a time from a text file and
: >outputs it to the active com port.
: >
: Using which Kermit program, and what version?

Kermit 3.14, latest beta downloaded today.

: >The problem I have is that some of the text in the file consists of the \
: >character followed by numbers.  When the line is output to the com port
: >it will sometimes transmit translated characters rather than the original
: >text from the file.  ...  Is there any way of disabling the \ translation
: >feature temporarily in a script?
: >
: Yes.  In C-Kermit 5A(190), there is "set command quoting off".  Also, in
: both C-Kermit 5A (188-190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (but not earlier), you
: should be able to do something like this:

:   read \%a
:   output \fcontents(\%a)

Actually I have something like this in a loop:

read \%l
output \Fcontents(\%l)\13

and the file contains:
94BQ011XXX UAR\47122  OSAN AB
94BQ011XXX UAR\47142  TAEGU

The \47122 and \47142 get sent as two control characters.



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Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I have been using
MSKermit 3.13 on a 486/DX33 and often connect to my computer at the
university to run graphics programs which support the tektronics
graphics terminal.  If I set Kermit (before entering terminal mode)
to emulate the tektronics terminal, then the graphics are displayed
without problem. 

However, if I set my terminal to VT320 (which I
prefer since I also use the Unix system extensively besides my
graphics needs) and then enter terminal mode with the "c" command, the
tektronics mode is *not* automatically invoked when the Unix box (an
IBM RS/6000 system) starts sending the tektronics graphics commands.
It *does* seem to try (i.e., I get the little square cursor), but
immediately begins echoing the ascii text, itself, of the graphics
commands.  Once I return to VT320 emulation mode, I no longer get
anything readable, but rather my color monitor displays solid
multi-colored gibberish (though I can tell that the keystrokes I type
are still getting through to the Unix box).  I end up having to type
"exit" as normal (even though the echo to my screen is the gibberish as
indicated above) and redial the Unix box in VT320 mode.

I've looked over the on-line documentation, and believe that I
understand correctly the fact that the tektronics emulation is
seemless when using the VT320 emulation mode.  But everything I've
tried has been unsuccessful.

Is it at all possible that the problem sits on my end (e.g., my video
card which is a Trident SVGA)?  I'm not Kermit-proficient so any
pointers, however basic, would be helpful.  Please e-mail me personally
as well as posting to the newsgroup as I don't get to read the news as
often as I'd like).

--John Miles
jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu

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I'm trying to get the latest version of C-Kermit going on a couple of Unix
boxes at work.  One is an ICL DRS6000 - I have compiled on there without a
problem (using make iclsys5r4).

The other box is a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, but I'm not completely sure what
unix version it is.  On loggin in it reports "UNIX(r) System V Release
4.0". After loggin in, it reports "SINIX Version 5.41".

Unfortunately there is no Siemens Nixdorf, or SINIX entry in the makefile.
I've tried compiling with "make sys5r4", but I just get a bunch of warnings
and finally and fails completely.  I was going to include all the messages
here, but thought better to save bandwidth and get some suggestions first.

Any ideas?

--
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In article <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
:
:Needed: The perfect Windows 3.x icon for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.  Should

[stuff deleted]

:No frogs of any kind will be considered, nor (but not necessarily) any

[stuff deleted]

So the no frog rule, is this because we want kermit to appears more
``professional'' or is it to avoid and form of lawsuit (or both)?

:(*) There is no truth to the rumor that future releases of MS-DOS Kermit
:    will be be 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, 3.14159263...

Isn't this the naming scheme that all of us TeX/LaTeX users have grown
to love when it comes to Knuth's TeX engine.  Hey, couldn't hurt here
too!  8)

        --Jerry

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From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty)
Subject: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13
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I am able load the PPP packet driver from Merit Network, Inc.
(etherppp.exe, version 1.9.37 beta) and successfully make a connection to
my Internet service provider.  Once connected, I start MS-DOS Kermit 
3.13, patch level 17, and do this:

MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip 165.247.1.10
MS-Kermit>connect
 Resolving address of host 165.247.1.10 ...

 Unable to contact the host.
 The host may be down or a gateway may be needed.
?Cannot start the connection.
MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com
MS-Kermit>connect
 Resolving address of host indirect.com ...
  trying name indirect.com
  Cannot read name server 165.247.1.3
 Cannot resolve address of host indirect.com
?Cannot start the connection
MS-Kermit>

I _can_ successfully connect using the SLIP driver SLIP8250.  Is it not 
possible to use PPP instead of SLIP with MS-DOS Kermit?  If it is 
possible, how can I determine what is causing the problem?

Any suggestions or assistance will be greatly appreciated.


---
Jim Monty
monty@indirect.com


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From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13
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In article <Czw5Ds.HDH@indirect.com>, Jim Monty <monty@indirect.com> wrote:
>I am able load the PPP packet driver from Merit Network, Inc.
>(etherppp.exe, version 1.9.37 beta) and successfully make a connection to
>my Internet service provider.  Once connected, I start MS-DOS Kermit 
>3.13, patch level 17, and do this:
>
>MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip 165.247.1.10
>MS-Kermit>connect
> Resolving address of host 165.247.1.10 ...
>
> Unable to contact the host.
> The host may be down or a gateway may be needed.
>?Cannot start the connection.
>MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com
>MS-Kermit>connect
> Resolving address of host indirect.com ...
>  trying name indirect.com
>  Cannot read name server 165.247.1.3
> Cannot resolve address of host indirect.com
>?Cannot start the connection
>MS-Kermit>
>
>I _can_ successfully connect using the SLIP driver SLIP8250.  Is it not 
>possible to use PPP instead of SLIP with MS-DOS Kermit?  If it is 
>possible, how can I determine what is causing the problem?
>
>Any suggestions or assistance will be greatly appreciated.
------------------
	PPP is, um, a Point to Point protocol. Only two stations on such
links, this one and the other one. Thus the only way off the wire is 
through the "other one." This in turn implies two important things:
	1. ARP doesn't work or even apply because that's a physical layer
broadcast to obtain the physical address of other stations on the wire
(having the same IP "network" number but different IP "host" numbers).
	2. All, and that means ALL, stations are reached via the "other
one", and hence the "other one" is the IP Gateway for all outbound traffic.
	2 corollary. The IP network is confined to two stations, us and the
"other end." Thus the wire can hold 165.247.1.us and 165.247.1.them and that's
it. All other stations must be on a different IP network number and reached 
via the "other end" as a gateway. This includes name servers etc.
	The "other end" must be prepared as an IP router, or else you will
need to log into the other end and create a Telnet session there which goes 
onward.
	I'm happy to hear that you got the Merit PPP driver to work at all.
It hangs my machine during its startup every time I'm tried it, well before
Kermit is started. I have no idea of what's inside that serial driver or
how it really represents itself to programs (it hangs my machine...).
	So, I suggest you talk with your service provider about IP numbers
of your link and tell Kermit about the gateway IP number and proper subnet
mask. Nameservers can be anywhere in the world.
	Joe D.





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From: ycl6@aloha.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee)
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Subject: Re: HELP: HP95 Kermit
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In article <3babi9$3j0@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>,
Hajo Brunne <brunne@ira.uka.de> wrote:
|i want to use kermit for filetransfer from HP to unix (ckermit)
|
|I run ckermit on unix in server mode, but i can not send multiple
|files (c:\_dat\*.txt or something like that), the send command
|in the HP built in option will not allow me to select more than one
|file.
|
|The other way starting HP95LX kermit in server mode and trying to
|get more than one file by a get command from ckermit fails also
|
|i.e get c:\123\*.wk1 results in an error:
|
|File does not exist!
|
|Transfering one file only or using wildcards in c:\
|(i.e. get c:\*.*) works fine! Is HP's Software buggy?

Seeing as how the HP95 is essentially an XT-compatible computer, I would
download MS-Kermit 3.13 from ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit.  Lean,
fast program; rock-solid terminal emulation and (more importantly) the
definitive implementation of the Kermit protocol.  I've crossposted this
to comp.protocols.kermit.misc for more info.

--   _____________________________________________________________________
     Yeechang Lee  (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94
     Columbia University/New York City|The Celestial Kingdom has Taco Bell

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I cant seem to delete in vt100 emulation. When I hook up, I can delete 
letters, but after the link is established I cannot delete. Can anyone help me?
--
			 -Eli Selkin C/O 
	Carl Selkin Acting Dean of the School of Arts and Letters
	 Please Respond to me   (e-MAIL ADDRESS ):
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From: vdk%rulxho@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Peter - INL)
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Subject: Problems with Kermit VT220 emulation
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Hello Kermit people,

I use Kermit to connect to my Internet service provider (a SUN machine). The
terminal type is set to VT220. When I use programs as Pine, NN and Lynx, my
screen becomes a mess. I think because they use reverse video codes. With
'normal' screens everything is fine. Another guy on this group had the same
kind of problem and he was advised to set flow control to rts/cts. I tried
this too, but it didn't help. I tried a lot of other things like
reliable link with compression, reliable link without compression, flow control
none, flow control xon/xoff, flow control rts/cts, display 8-bit, set terminal
to VT 100, but the problem still exists.
The host sends sequences like <ESC>[7m, <ESC>[m and <ESC>[27m. Is there a
way to let Kermit interpret these sequences correctly? What must be the
settings of my modem and Kermit to let it talk to a Sun machine?

FYI:
MS-Kermit 3.13, patch level 12
Modem: Victory 14400E (14K4)
Parity: none, databits: 8, one stopbit
MS-DOS 6.0
Computer: Compaq Contura 4/25

Hope someone can put a light on this problem.
Thanks!

Peter van der Kamp
vdk@rulxho.leidenuniv.nl

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From: Helmut Stoecklin <100303.1604@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: Kermit AS400 implementation ???
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Help ...
Is there a Kermit implementation for a IBM AS400 out in the filed 
?? Any comment is appreciated.
Thanks's in advance,
Hans Rehfeld

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From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews)
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Subject: Re: MSK 3.13 tektronics terminal emulation w/ vt320 mode.A
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John G. Miles (jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu) wrote:
: Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I have been using
: MSKermit 3.13 on a 486/DX33 and often connect to my computer at the
: university to run graphics programs which support the tektronics
: graphics terminal.  If I set Kermit (before entering terminal mode)
: to emulate the tektronics terminal, then the graphics are displayed
: without problem. 

: However, if I set my terminal to VT320 (which I
: prefer since I also use the Unix system extensively besides my
: graphics needs) and then enter terminal mode with the "c" command, the
: tektronics mode is *not* automatically invoked when the Unix box (an
: IBM RS/6000 system) starts sending the tektronics graphics commands.


You application may not generate the necessary codes to invoke the
Tektronix mode.  Here is the sequence of codes I have my applications
send to invoke Tek emulation on a variety of emulators.  It is a bit
more than MS-Kermit needs, but will work with MS-Kermit, NCSA Telnet,
and Xterm (on an X server).  All codes in decimal:

	27,91,63,51,56,104,27,12

Try launching your application from a script file that first sends the
above codes.

If you need any help in generating the above codes, let me know.

--
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit VT220 emulation
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In article <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.leidenuniv.nl>,
Peter - INL <VDK@RULXHO.LeidenUniv.NL> wrote:
> I use Kermit to connect to my Internet service provider (a SUN
> machine). The terminal type is set to VT220. When I use programs as
> Pine, NN and Lynx, my screen becomes a mess. I think because they use
> reverse video codes. With 'normal' screens everything is fine. Another
> guy on this group had the same kind of problem and he was advised to set
> flow control to rts/cts. I tried this too, but it didn't help. I tried a
> lot of other things like reliable link with compression, reliable link
> without compression, flow control none, flow control xon/xoff, flow
> control rts/cts, display 8-bit, set terminal to VT 100, but the problem
> still exists.  The host sends sequences like <ESC>[7m, <ESC>[m and
> <ESC>[27m. Is there a way to let Kermit interpret these sequences
> correctly?
> 
Kermit does interpret these sequences correctly, as all of its users will
testify.  I, for one, use it every day in exactly the same environment as
you (dialup thru high-speed modem to a Sun, running applications like trn,
Lynx, MM, and EMACS) and it works perfectly.  So something else must be
wrong.

Are you sure that Kermit and the Sun are both set to the same terminal
type (vt220)?

Does your PC have a buffered UART?  If not, then you probably should not
try to use interface speeds above a certain level, depending on (a) how
fast your CPU is, and (b) whether your PC is running DOS or Windows.
If you are running Kermit under Windows, you REALLY need a buffered UART.

> What must be the settings of my modem and Kermit to let it talk to a Sun
> machine?
> 
Flow control is probably the correct answer.  Remember, flow control is
a game that needs two players.  Telling Kermit to "set flow rts/cts" is
not enough -- you have to tell your modem to do it too.

> Modem: Victory 14400E (14K4)
>
I never heard of this kind of modem, so I can't tell you how to operate
it.  My best advice is:

 1. Get MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta.  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
    directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip, unzip
    with "-d" switch.  Install according to directions in the top-level
    READ.ME file.

 2. Look at one of our high-speed modem dialing scripts in the MODEMS
    subdirectory; say, ZYXEL.SCR.  Sit down with your Victory modem manual
    and adapt the script to use Victory modem commands.

Assuming your modem works right, this will ensure that Kermit and the
modem have optimal settings for each other.  If you wind up with a good
dialing script, you might want to post it for the benefit of other Victory
modem users.

Also, be sure to read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes on the diskette --
it contains troubleshooting instructions for just about every imagineable
problem.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit AS400 implementation ???
Date: 28 Nov 1994 14:02:12 GMT
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In article <3bcfii$mgq$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>,
Helmut Stoecklin  <100303.1604@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
> Is there a Kermit implementation for a IBM AS400 out in the field?
>
Of all the computers and operating systems in the world, there are only
a couple for which nobody has ever written any Kermit software, and the
AS/400 (and its predecessors, the Systems /34, /36, and /38) is one of
them.  Evidently this line of computers must be very hard to program;
from what little I know about them, everything is "different" -- the
text character set (it's not ASCII), the file system (probably record-
oriented), the communication methods (some kind of bizarre proprietary
"twinax" block-mode affair).  But we have hurdled such obstacles before
in the IBM mainframe world, thus we have the experience and know what is
required.

We get this question frequently, so there is definitely a big demand.
But we do not have an AS/400 ourselves for development, and even if we
did, we don't have a programmer to do the work.  Back in the early days
of the Kermit project, there were dozens of sites developing Kermit
software for every imagineable platform.  Maybe it's time to revive
that early spirit.

Anybody who is seriously interested in developing a Kermit program for
the AS/400 (or porting an existing program, such as C-Kermit) should
contact me.

- Frank

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From: SIMEONE@calvin.cc.duq.edu (Simeone Stephen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Super Kermit
Date: 28 Nov 1994 16:10:03 GMT
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Could anyone please give me any information on Super Kermit.  I'm not 
familiar with it - but if it's superior to regular Kermit, I'd like to 
use it instead.

Thanks !

--


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Super Kermit
Date: 28 Nov 1994 19:43:14 GMT
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In article <3bcvcr$beg@godot.cc.duq.edu>,
Simeone Stephen <SIMEONE@calvin.cc.duq.edu> wrote:
>Could anyone please give me any information on Super Kermit.  I'm not 
>familiar with it - but if it's superior to regular Kermit, I'd like to 
>use it instead.

Sorry, but SuperKermit is just a non-Columbia University implementation 
of sliding windows protocol.  The best Kermit protocols are those included
within MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, C-Kermit 5A(190), and VM/CMS Kermit (version ?).

These packages implement sliding windows, extended length packets, WHATAMI
negotiation, and RESEND for binary files.

- Jeff

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip 

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From: pifer@cais.cais.com ()
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Subject: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems
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In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, pifer@cais2.cais.com () writes:
>>>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos)
>>>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore.  Check the *.upd and
>>>   *.bwr files.  Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command
>>>   codes.  If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch
>>>   of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do
>>>   ``one-sided'' file transfers.
>> 
>> I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to
>> set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on
>> the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini 
>> files where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such?

>	SET TERMINAL APC ? to see the only thing one can do on the clients.
> It's that simple this time. The host's APC command has the text strings
> (client Kermit commands) to be executed on the client. Creative folks may
> wish to invoke macros on the client, and have those macros defined on the
> client rather than sending long strings from the host. 
>	Joe D.

When we used V 3.11 we set up two macros for two purposes: 1) to download
a file using the terminalr define and 2) to download a file and execute a 
local PC application. The following two lines are out of the mskermit.ini 
file:

define terminalr RECEIVE, CONNECT
define terminals RECEIVE graph.dat, RUN type graph.dat | grafdraw.exe, 
FINISH, CONNECT

The first define, it appears, can be easily be done by the new built-in
command. However, I do not see how the second would be done.

Also, does C-Kermit V 188 contain the APC command set or will we
have to get V 189?

Darren Pifer
Code 431 - NAVMASSO
Phone: (804) 523-8098
E-mail: pifer@cais.com




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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.941126031931.13703A-100000@atmos.met.utah.edu>, "John G. Miles" <jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu> writes:
> Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I have been using
> MSKermit 3.13 on a 486/DX33 and often connect to my computer at the
> university to run graphics programs which support the tektronics
> graphics terminal.  If I set Kermit (before entering terminal mode)
> to emulate the tektronics terminal, then the graphics are displayed
> without problem. 
> 
> However, if I set my terminal to VT320 (which I
> prefer since I also use the Unix system extensively besides my
> graphics needs) and then enter terminal mode with the "c" command, the
> tektronics mode is *not* automatically invoked when the Unix box (an
> IBM RS/6000 system) starts sending the tektronics graphics commands.
> It *does* seem to try (i.e., I get the little square cursor), but
> immediately begins echoing the ascii text, itself, of the graphics
> commands.  Once I return to VT320 emulation mode, I no longer get
> anything readable, but rather my color monitor displays solid
> multi-colored gibberish (though I can tell that the keystrokes I type
> are still getting through to the Unix box).  I end up having to type
> "exit" as normal (even though the echo to my screen is the gibberish as
> indicated above) and redial the Unix box in VT320 mode.
> 
> I've looked over the on-line documentation, and believe that I
> understand correctly the fact that the tektronics emulation is
> seemless when using the VT320 emulation mode.  But everything I've
> tried has been unsuccessful.
> 
> Is it at all possible that the problem sits on my end (e.g., my video
> card which is a Trident SVGA)?  I'm not Kermit-proficient so any
> pointers, however basic, would be helpful.  Please e-mail me personally
> as well as posting to the newsgroup as I don't get to read the news as
> often as I'd like).
> 
> --John Miles
> jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu
----------
	I recall replying to you privately John.
	I can't help from the above description alone. The Kermit
documentation explains which commands in VT320 mode will trigger a
change to Tek mode, and it's a necessarily restrictive set. ESC Control-L
(ESCape Form Feed) is the most common mode, meaning Tek screen clear.
ESC [ ? 38 h  will too, as will starting a DEC Sixel graphics command.
	My suggestion is to capture a sample session to a log file via
LOG SESSION filename. Then send me the uuencoded file with commentary
on what should have happened when so I can dig into the bits.
	I will also repeat a warning which results from seeing those
funny colored blobs in VT320 mode. It is to never let anything use 
video memory, A000-BFFF, because it's video territory. I will guess
that you may have let a memory manager sneak down there by mistake.
	Joe D.

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From: rgc@jujube.cs.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler)
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Subject: How do you redial in kermit?
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Anyone know how to redial until you get a connect in kermit?
Is there a script that does this?  Thanks.

--
Ross Cutler
University of Maryland, College Park
Internet: rgc@cs.umd.edu

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    I have a pair of scripts (one on the host, one on my PC) for
    downloading a compressed backup archive.  I usually keep terminal
    apc set to on, but need it to be set to unchecked for this one
    script.  I was able to do this automatically with MS-Kermit 3.13,
    because it would accept a 'set term apc unchecked' command sent as
    an apc from the host.  With 3.14, trying to do this produces a
    '?Word "unchecked" not usable here' error.  Isn't this a little bit
    too much security?  Can someone suggest a workaround (besides
    manually changing the settings, which defeats the point of having a
    script to do it all automatically)?  TIA for your help,

    					Jeff

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From: wirt@u.washington.edu (Brian Wirt)
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Subject: Optimizing speed using C-Kermit
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Hello all,

It's been quite a long time since I've had to use kermit to transfer 
files from a remote Unix machine to my home PC and vice-versa, but alas, 
the time is here yet again.

My problem is that I can't remember exactly what options I used to 
optimize download speed.  I seem to recall setting the packet length or 
something.  If anyone can help me out I would appreciate it.  I remember 
two or three things I used to type that would boost the speed from about 
200 CPS to 900 CPS on a 14.4k modem.  Can anyone tell me how to obtain 
this speed or even better?

Please respond via email, and thanks for any replies!
-- 
Brian Wirt             
wirt@u.washington.edu  
Seattle, Washington    

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems
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In article <3bdfu2$qe6@news.cais.com>,  <pifer@cais.cais.com> wrote:
> When we used V 3.11 we set up two macros for two purposes: 1) to
> download a file using the terminalr define and 2) to download a file
> and execute a local PC application. The following two lines are out of
> the mskermit.ini file:
>
>  define terminalr RECEIVE, CONNECT
>  define terminals RECEIVE graph.dat, RUN type graph.dat | grafdraw.exe, 
>  FINISH, CONNECT
>
> The first define, it appears, can be easily be done by the new 
> built-in command. However, I do not see how the second would be done.
>
You can do absolutely anything with APC, but there are always risks when
computer A lets applications on computer B issue commands to it.  That's
why we have three levels of security on APCs.  By default, they are not
allowed at all, for paranoia's sake, since almost any command, when
issued maliciously, might be harmful.  So the MS-DOS Kermit user must
issue "set terminal apc on" to enable the APC mechanism at all.

This is a change from version 3.13, where TERMINAL APC was ON by
default, due to user feedback.  However, TERMINAL APC ON only allows
what are deemed "safe" commands (such as file transfer commands), and
disallows commands that are by their very nature unsafe (such as DELETE
and RUN).  That's why your second example doesn't work.  To allow RUN
commands in APCs, the MS-DOS Kermit user must SET TERMINAL APC
UNCHECKED, which is obviously risky.

There is, however, still a TERMINALR/TERMINALS-like mechanism in MS-DOS
Kermit, namely the PRODUCT macro, which allows the host application to
invoke a user-defined macro, and even pass arguments to it.  See pages
181-182 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit".

>Also, does C-Kermit V 188 contain the APC command set or will we
>have to get V 189?
>
Any application can issue an APC command.  It just sends ESC,
underscore, text, ESC, backslash.  In C-Kermit 5A(188) you can
easily define a macro to do this:

  define apc echo \27_\%1\27\92

which you can use like this:

  apc { first command, second command, etc }

Of course it's always better to run an up-to-date version of C-Kermit.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: How do you redial in kermit?
Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:05:29 GMT
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In article <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu>,
Ross Garrett Cutler <rgc@jujube.cs.umd.edu> wrote:
>Anyone know how to redial until you get a connect in kermit?
>Is there a script that does this?  Thanks.
>
If you are talking about MS-DOS Kermit, all you need to do is
install it according to instructions.  The DIAL macro that is
supplied in the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, together with the
appropriate dialing script, does redial automatically.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MSKerm 3.14 BETA 14- APC security too strong?
Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:16:25 GMT
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In article <jhurwitD00M19.MnM@netcom.com>,
Jeffrey Hurwit <jhurwit@netcom.com> wrote:
>    I have a pair of scripts (one on the host, one on my PC) for
>    downloading a compressed backup archive.  I usually keep terminal
>    apc set to on, but need it to be set to unchecked for this one
>    script.  I was able to do this automatically with MS-Kermit 3.13,
>    because it would accept a 'set term apc unchecked' command sent as
>    an apc from the host.  With 3.14, trying to do this produces a
>    '?Word "unchecked" not usable here' error.  Isn't this a little bit
>    too much security?  Can someone suggest a workaround (besides
>    manually changing the settings, which defeats the point of having a
>    script to do it all automatically)?  TIA for your help,
>
We get this complaint a lot, but there is no easy solution.  There is a
basic conflict between the need for host-directed operations such as
your script and the need to protect all MS-DOS Kermit users from
malicious attacks.

If SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED could be issued by the host application,
then there would *be* no security.

On balance, I think most would agree that inconvenience weighs less
than disaster.

You should think of SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED the same way you think
about passwords.  You don't put passwords in scripts because the risk
far outweighs the convenience.  Thus whenever you run your login script,
you have it prompt you for your password.  Similarly, you shoul SET TERM
APC UNCHECKED before running your script and then put it back to ON
afterwards.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Optimizing speed using C-Kermit
Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:21:12 GMT
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In article <3belo7$aqc@nntp1.u.washington.edu>,
Brian Wirt <wirt@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>It's been quite a long time since I've had to use kermit to transfer 
>files from a remote Unix machine to my home PC and vice-versa, but alas, 
>the time is here yet again.
>
>My problem is that I can't remember exactly what options I used to 
>optimize download speed.  I seem to recall setting the packet length or 
>something.  If anyone can help me out I would appreciate it.  I remember 
>two or three things I used to type that would boost the speed from about 
>200 CPS to 900 CPS on a 14.4k modem.  Can anyone tell me how to obtain 
>this speed or even better?
>
Reposting (and slightly updating):

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Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?!
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In article <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au>
anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes:
> I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found
> that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow!
> I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to
> Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ?
> 
Yes.

But first, welcome to comp.protocols.kermit.misc.  This is the first
day of operation of this unmoderated newsgroup.  I hope it will prove
beneficial to all Kermit users.

To answer your question, somewhat longwindedly, since this Question is
Asked so Frequently :-) ...

Zmodem is optimized for speed on the assumption that it has a clear 8-bit
transparent channel with no blockages (small buffers, etc), and so, out of
the box, when it works it goes fast.  The tradeoff is that it often does
not work at all, in which case you have to configure it in various ways --
escaping of control characters, changing window size, etc.  In some cases
it can't be made to work at all, either because of the nature of the
connection, or because of one or both of the computers on the two ends.

Kermit, on the other hand, is configured to work -- i.e. transfer files --
out of the box, even under hostile conditions.  By default, it does not 
assume that control characters pass through transparently, nor that large
buffers are available.  It does not even assume a full-duplex connection.
The tradeoff is speed.

In a perfect world, there would be no tradeoffs, but the world is far from
perfect.  7-bit transmission is still extremely common, small buffers are
very common, even in modern terminal servers and other communications
processors, flow control is rarely implemented correctly and effectively,
telephone lines are still noisy, and we still have a bewildering array
of communication methods needed for accessing different kinds of hosts and
services.  Most PCs are still shipped with non-buffered UARTs; many PCs
have interrupt conflicts, noisy buses, etc; many modern modems are buggy.
The list goes on.  This is by way of demonstrating that Kermit's default
tuning is not crazy, and goes a long way towards explaining its justified
reputation for dependability.

Unfortunately, because of the tradeoffs necessary to achieve its
reliability, Kermit has a reputation for slowness:

  Yes, Kermit transfers are slow if you use the default tuning.

However, you can make Kermit go as fast the communication path will permit
by changing a few parameters.  But first, here are some general principles
that apply to all communications software:

 1. Ensure that you have an effective means of flow control enabled at
    every juncture along the communication path (this applies to any file
    transfer protocol).  For example, when using high-speed,
    error-correcting modems, you should use some form of hardware flow
    control, most commonly RTS/CTS.  You have to tell the software to use
    it, AND you have to tell the modem to use it too -- if the flow
    control methods of the PC and the modem do not agree, then data will
    be lost.

 2. If your modem is capable of data compression, use it.  Fix the
    interface speed of the software to four times the connection speed if
    possible -- e.g. for a V.32bis 14400 bps connection, use an interface
    speed of 57600, or else the modem's compression capacity is likely to
    be wasted.

 3. On network connections (e.g. TCP/IP), it is usually best to turn off
    flow control entirely, because the underlying networking method
    supplies fully effective flow control.

Now, to make Kermit go fast, follow these steps:

 1. Use real Kermit software, not the many shareware and commercial
    packages, most of whose Kermit protocol implementations lack the
    performance features listed below and/or the means for the user to
    control them.

 2. Use long packets.  Kermit's default packet length is 94.  You can
    increase it to a theoretical maximum of 9024.  Give the following
    command to the file receiver:

      SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000  ; (or other length)

    The longer you make the packets, the more efficient the file transfer
    will be... IF IT WORKS.  If you make packets longer than some buffer
    somewhere along the line, and effective flow control is lacking, the
    transfer might not work.  Also, the longer the packet, the greater
    the chance it will be hit by noise, and the longer it takes to
    retransmit.

 3. On full duplex connections, use sliding windows.  Sliding windows
    allow packets to be transmitted in a continuous stream, rather than
    "stop and wait" style.  The command is:

      SET WINDOW 4 ; (or other number)

    The maximum is 32 (or less, depending on the implementation).  Give
    this command to *both* Kermit programs.

For text files and uncompressed binary files, this should give you very
good performance -- efficiencies in the 85%-100% range.  For compressed
files, and certain other types of binary files, you can squeeze out
another 20-25% efficiency by telling Kermit not to prefix a given list of
control characters.  A typical sequence might be:

  SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL  ;  Unprefix all control characters.
  SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 129 141 ...  ; Add back prefixes for these.

This requires a lot of trial and error because there is no way that a
communication software program can know what characters are safe and
which ones are not on a particular connection.  For example, you might be
going through an X.25 PAD where Ctrl-P will pop you back to the PAD
prompt.  Or you might be going through a TELNET terminal server where
Ctrl-] or Ctrl-^ will pop you back to the terminal server prompt.  Or the
connection might be using Xon/Xoff flow control, and sending Ctrl-S as a
data character might freeze the connection.

If you take all of these steps, using optimal packet lengths, window
sizes, and unprefixing, you should achieve transfer rates comparable to,
and often better than, the Zmodem implementations that you find in Telix,
Procomm, and similar shareware and commercial packages; for example, on a
V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600
bps interface speed:

  Typical text files:        3500 cps (characters per second)
  Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE)
  Compressed files:          1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files)

These figures come from Kermit News #5, June 1993, which is available via
anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file
newsn5.txt (ASCII) or newsn5.ps (PostScript).  Also see newsn4.txt (.ps)
for a detailed discussion of long packets and sliding windows.

Kermit software is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu
[128.59.39.2], directory kermit and its subdirectories.  There are
literally hundreds of different Kermit programs for *almost* every machine
and operating system imaginable.  The most widely used Kermit programs
are:

 . MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 for DOS and Windows.
   No, this is not a native Windows application, but yes, this
   is the Kermit software we recommend for Windows.
   File: kermit/archives/msvib.zip.
   MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip.
   Unzip with "-d" switch.

 . C-Kermit 5A(190) for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, the Commodore Amiga, etc.
   UNIX: kermit/archives/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz)
   VMS: Get kermit/f/ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there.
   OS/2: kermit/archives/cko190.zip.
   Others: Get kermit/f/ckaaaa.hlp, read it, go from there.

 . IBM Mainframe Kermit-370 for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS, and MUSIC.
   kermit/b/ik*.*.

- Frank

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Here is a weird MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-14 command-line editing bug:
	MS-Kermit>set duplex f<Esc>
	MS-Kermit>set duplex f<Esc>
The first time "f<Esc>" properly expands to "full ", but the second time
it expands to "full\13".  How's that for an esoteric one?

By the way, do others fail or succeed when running 3.14/Beta-14 over
NET14.EXE or TNGLASS.EXE?

Thank you,
Daniel Lewart
d-lewart@uiuc.edu

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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:

: We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300.
: Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all.

: If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit
: makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see
: where else I can get one made.  (No, we do not have an example of every
: computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness
: of others"...

: - Frank

To the unknown (to me) person who placed the 3B1 Kermit binaries for 
5A(190) in kermit/bin:

             THANK YOU

Enjoy.

Bill

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In article <lewart.786140027@rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu>,
>...
>By the way, do others fail or succeed when running 3.14/Beta-14 over
>NET14.EXE or TNGLASS.EXE?
>
Yes.

This will be fixed in Beta-15.

- Frank

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Hi, 

I run kermit on my UNIX system as a replacement for tip. I typically start 
up kermit "from the keyboard", the .kermrc points it at my modem attached 
to one of my machine's serial ports, I type "c" to connect to the modem 
and it's straightforward terminal interaction from their. When I log 
out of my remote host and my modem disconnects, I am bounced back to the 
the local Kermit> prompt. Fine for many years. 

But now I would like to use that same line and modem for uucp dial-outs and 
dial-ins as well. I could quit Kermit, and kermit would remove its lock files 
and give up the line and I'd be all set. But I've been doing that for months 
now, and seem to forget to exit Kermit explicitely all too often. It would 
be nice if Kermit automatically exited gracefully on loss of carrier detect: 
nicer still (I think?) if it relinquished the tty line and removed its 
lock but did not exit upon loss of carrier. 

Can I configure kermit to behave this way? If not "out of the box", 
any pointers toward hacking a solution? I'd bet there's a one-line solution. 

Thanks in advance! 

-Jeff

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I am looking for informatioin on implementation of Kermit long packets.
Where should I look at? Thanks.

-- Marco Papa


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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In article <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu>,
: Ross Garrett Cutler <rgc@jujube.cs.umd.edu> wrote:
: >Anyone know how to redial until you get a connect in kermit?
: >Is there a script that does this?  Thanks.
: >
: If you are talking about MS-DOS Kermit, all you need to do is
: install it according to instructions.  The DIAL macro that is
: supplied in the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, together with the
: appropriate dialing script, does redial automatically.

Actually, I use c-kermit.  Any scripts for that?  Thanks.

--
Ross Cutler
University of Maryland, College Park
Internet: rgc@cs.umd.edu

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On Tue, 29 Nov 1994 gt7611a@prism.gatech.edu wrote:
> The only complaint I have, is
> that you cannot scroll back like you can with some other packages. (Or can
> you?  I don't know how.)  

First, make sure you're running the latest version (3.13 is the latest
production version; 3.14 is in solid beta.  Both are available at
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit, or http://kermit.columbia.edu/)

To turn screen rollback on, put

SET TERM ROLLBACK ON

in your mscustom.ini file.  Then put

SET ROLLBACK xxxx (where xxxx=# between 1 and 8000)

to govern how many screens will be remembered.  By default, the grey PageUp
and PageDown keys will be used to scroll up and down--if you don't like
this, you can redefine the keys.

> I use GSZ, a Zmodem implementation, to download files -- I find it faster
> than Kermit.  On the other hand, I have frequently had difficulty
> downloading using Zmodem, and then I download the same file effortlessly,
> although more slowly, using Kermit.  Why is it more robust?

Kermit is a very cautious protocol.  It "escapes" or sort of specially-marks
all unusual control characters so they'll cross any link, whether a dialup
to a BBS, dialup to a university Unix system through a terminal server, or
whatever.  (This is one of the reasons for Kermit's slower performance
compared to Zmodem.) By contrast, ZModem was originally designed for 8-bit
clean lines (e.g., the kind of connection you get calling a BBS over the
phone).  It escapes no control characters at all (though this can be
changed--see your ZModem docs).  You can experiment with only escaping the
control characters on Kermit that cause problems for your system; this will
help your throughput a lot.  Get the Kermit 3.14 beta--it has a document,
PERFORM.DOC, that details all this and more.

> *  I have heard, and you mention the same, that Kermit is only marginally
> slower than Zmodem "if the settings are right".  I have tweaked the packet
> sizes, but I'm really only shooting in the dark.  I have seen faster
> transfers with longer packets, and my Unix machine, from which I sometimes
> down / upload, prompts me to change BLOCKS.  What are all these
> parameters, and what do I set them to? (And how do I know that is what I
> need to set them to?)

Blocks, for Kermit, refer to checksum schemes.  Type SET BLOCK 3 on both
your side and on the university's side; it'll help accuracy.

The 3.14 beta makes big improvements on all these fronts--not only is there
the PERFORM.DOC, plus more discussion of this "Most Frequently Asked
Question" in the main documentation (KERMIT.HLP, KERMIT.BWR), but there are
also some basic macros that will set things to go a lot faster than normal
automatically.

> *  I currently PUSH out of Kermit, and then run a batch file to download
> using Zmodem.  It works fine, but is cumbersome.  I have had many problems
> uploading, though, and I have a feeling it may be due to the PUSHing.  Is
> there a way to use Zmodem straight out of Kermit's bowels?  What Zmodem
> protocol implementation do you use?  Is there a freeware version? (Where
> do I find it?)

Yes.  I have these lines in my mscustom.ini file;

define rz run c:\kermit\dsz\dsz.exe F ha on port 1 G rz -mrr
define sz run c:\kermit\dsz\dsz.exe F ha both port 1 G sz -Q^ -m \%1 \%2,

Type the above lines _exactly_, including the case; just substitute in the
filepath of your ZModem program (I'd recommend you find and use dsz.exe;
it's quicker than gsz.com or dsz.com.).  The '-Q^' is required on my system
to escape a control code that causes problems for my server; it tells ZModem
to escape ASCII code 30, '^^'.  It probably won't be the same with your
system; take that part out and see how things work out.  Talk to your
sysadmins about what control characters need to be escaped on uploads and
downloads.  Anyways, with these commands you can just type 'sz xyz.txt' and
'rz' to up/download right from the MS-Kermit command line.

> I look forward to hearing from you soon. 

Hope this helps.  I'll also crosspost this to comp.protocols.kermit.misc,
Kermit HQ on Usenet.

--   _____________________________________________________________________
     Yeechang Lee  (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94
     Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell


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In article <3bfd3p$fkg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz
(fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:

>We get this complaint a lot, but there is no easy solution.  There is
>a basic conflict between the need for host-directed operations such
>as your script and the need to protect all MS-DOS Kermit users from
>malicious attacks.

>If SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED could be issued by the host application,
>then there would *be* no security.

>On balance, I think most would agree that inconvenience weighs less
>than disaster.

>You should think of SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED the same way you think
>about passwords.  You don't put passwords in scripts because the risk
>far outweighs the convenience.  Thus whenever you run your login
>script, you have it prompt you for your password.  Similarly, you shoul
>SET TERM APC UNCHECKED before running your script and then put it back
>to ON afterwards.

    Um, ok, I can accept this argument as far as it goes.  But, problem
    is, if a macro or take file is invoked with an apc command, any
    "unsafe" operations called for in those are also disabled.  So,
    while I can understand wanting to protect some innocent user from a
    malicious script or some such, what about having apc commands invoke
    scripts that others are unlikely to know about?  Example:  The
    script on my host account sends a compressed backup file,
    backup.tgz, as backup.tmp.  The script on my PC receives the
    transfer and, *if the transfer succeeds*, deletes the already
    existing backup.tgz and renames backup.tmp to backup.tgz.  Would an
    option to set apc unchecked for scripts only make any sense?  If
    not, I guess I could always put the command in a macro and then bind
    it to a key...

    					Jeff

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From: timur@vnet.ibm.com (Timur Tabi)
Subject: can't get this script to work
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I'm using ckermit for OS/2 as a telnet substitute so I can use the scripting 
feature to automate logins.  Unfortunately, it's not working.  The "telnet" 
line is executed, but the "input" line doesn't see the "login:" text that 
comes in.

Here's the script:

telnet tollbooth2.cwp.ibm.com
input 10 login:
output timur\13

--
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Speaking as a member of Team OS/2, not as an IBM'er
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In article <D03Ltx.nt7@bocanews.bocaraton.ibm.com>,
Timur Tabi <timur@vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>I'm using ckermit for OS/2 as a telnet substitute so I can use the scripting 
>feature to automate logins.  Unfortunately, it's not working.  The "telnet" 
>line is executed, but the "input" line doesn't see the "login:" text that 
>comes in.
>
>Here's the script:
>
>telnet tollbooth2.cwp.ibm.com
>input 10 login:
>output timur\13
>

Use:

set host tollbooth2.cwp.ibm.com
input 10 login:
output timur\13
connect
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip 

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Subject: Speeding up file transfer with kermit
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I am trying to speed up kermit. I changed the packet length and that improved
things greatly.  I don't have a benchmark though.  I was on a 9600baud line,
and a packet length of 1000, I was getting a speed of around 620cps (15kB file
in 28 seconds).  Is that fast?

What is the interaction between kermit and inline compression, the modem was
supposedly running at 38kbaud with compression.

thanks
--
Peter Cheimets
Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory             ,__o-
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From: lla@med.unc.edu (Lance Arnder)
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Subject: Autodialing Script?
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Does anyone know where I might find a simple autodialing script for 
C-Kermit?  I've written one myself that works using MS-DOS Kermit
but doesn't work using C-Kermit on an RS6000.  The input command
intercepts messages from the computer I'm dialing to but it 
doesn't seem to intercept messages from the modem (like "call
failed 'line BUSY'") - therefore I can't test to see if the line
I'm dialing is busy.  I realize that this is a solved problem but
it is frustrating me beyond its importance.

Thanks a priori,

Lance Arnder
Imaging Physics Laboratory, Duke University
Dept. of Radiology, UNC-CH



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From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: C-Kermit weirdness
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I wrote a C-Kermit script for someone here at work to log onto
a machine via modem and send a mail and then log back off to
minimize the time on the modem.  A command procedure (DCL)
builds the commands that get executed by C-Kermit.

To make a long story short, he is trying to put things like
":-(" in the subject and it is causing problems.  Below is
a test I performed that gives me the same error.

C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX
 Copyright (C) 1985, 1994,
  Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
Type ? or HELP for help.
C-Kermit>def arglist echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3)
C-Kermit>xif success {arglist {123},show macro arglist}
1=(123) 2=() 3=()

arglist = echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3)
C-Kermit>xif success {arglist {(},show macro arglist}
?No keywords match - glist

-----------------------------
I realize that the "(" is potentially bad and that is exactly
what is causing the problem.  What can I do to alleviate
this weirdness?

Also I noticed that my version of C-Kermit doesn't
perform a LF when it does its first output (the above
was slightly edited).  It really would have looked
like this on my screen.

C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX
 Copyright (C) 1985, 1994,
  Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
Type ? or HELP for help.
C-Kermit>def arglist echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3)
1=(123) 2=() 3=()ess {arglist {123},show macro arglist}

------------------------
Where after the "def arglist..." I did the same "xif" as
shown above.  I imagine this is a small bug and not big
deal to fix.  Just wanted to point it out.

Thanks for your help in advance.

	Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves." 
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

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Subject: Discard Date Question.
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I am using Kermit to transfer files between from an MS-DOS machine to a VMS 
VAX. I am using version 5A(189) on both ends.

When files are transferred, the date attached to the file on the PC is brought 
over to the VAX. I would like the date/time of transfer to be kept on the 
files (IE creation time on the VAX). Is there any way to do that? 

Thanks in advance....
Brad.

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From: bruce@mail.uams.edu (Bruce Hulsey)
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Greetings!

We're currently running C-Kermit 5a(189) under OpenVMS 1.5.  We have a 
number of users who are using older versions of Persoft's comm programs 
SmarTerm 220 and SmarTerm 240 on their pc's.  Unfortunately, these 
programs' implementations of kermit don't work properly when trying to 
GET a file from C-Kermit when it is in server mode.  Every other kermit 
file transfer appears to work ok between SmarTerm and C-Kermit, i.e., 
interactive (non-server mode) send/receive operations work fine in both 
directions.  SEND transfers with C-Kermit in server mode seems to work ok 
as well.  Only GETs from C-Kermit fail.

I understand from a post that I received from Frank da Cruz regarding 
this that many comm packages simply don't follow the kermit protocol the 
way they should, but I'd still like to try to get it to work if possible.
I do have packet logs from attempted GET transfers using SmarTerm 240 
(which doesn't work) and SmarTerm 340 (which does work), and SmarTerm 240 
does send a strange packet up front which SmarTerm 340 does not (the 
strange packet is <SOH>#N3<CR> ).  Quite a few users are a little 
concerned about this since everything worked fine before we moved from 
Kermit-32 version 3.3.111 on a VAX to C-Kermit on an Alpha processor.

If anyone has found a workaround for this problem, please let me know.  
At this point, I don't want to tell everyone they have to upgrade their 
comm software or switch them over to something else, but I suppose that I 
will if I have to...

Also, I can't find any mention of Kermit-32 in the listing of Kermit 
software versions in the "Using C-Kermit" book.  Is Kermit-32 a 
'legitimate' member of the Kermit family?

All help is greatly appreciated...thanks!

Bruce Hulsey
Univ. of Arkansas for Medical Sciences
bruce@mail.uams.edu
bbhulsey@life.uams.edu

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Peter Cheimets (cheimets@cfa.harvard.edu) wrote:
: I am trying to speed up kermit. I changed the packet length and that improved
: things greatly.  I don't have a benchmark though.  I was on a 9600baud line,
: and a packet length of 1000, I was getting a speed of around 620cps (15kB file
: in 28 seconds).  Is that fast?

: What is the interaction between kermit and inline compression, the modem was
: supposedly running at 38kbaud with compression.

: thanks

I have Kermit set to a packet size of 1024 with sliding windows set to 
4.  Running on a 9600 line, I regularly get transfer rates of about 1150 
cps.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Autodialing Script?
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In article <3bgknu$1n3l@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>,
Lance Arnder <lla@med.unc.edu> wrote:
>Does anyone know where I might find a simple autodialing script for 
>C-Kermit?  I've written one myself that works using MS-DOS Kermit
>but doesn't work using C-Kermit on an RS6000.  The input command
>intercepts messages from the computer I'm dialing to but it 
>doesn't seem to intercept messages from the modem (like "call
>failed 'line BUSY'")
>
Here is a very simple one:

  define keep_on_dialing dial \%1, while fail { sleep 30, redial }

You should also be able to adapt MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts very
easily.  If the INPUT command is not reading messages from the modem,
then maybe the modem is not issuing the messages.  For example, it
might be in "silent mode" or numeric-response mode.  Or maybe you
need to add the following command to your script program before
attempting to do i/o with the modem's command processor:

  SET CARRIER OFF

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Discard Date Question.
Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:34:07 GMT
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In article <brad.5.001BC1B5@vaxxine.com>, Brad Bell <brad@vaxxine.com> wrote:
>I am using Kermit to transfer files between from an MS-DOS machine to a VMS 
>VAX. I am using version 5A(189) on both ends.
>
The current version is 5A(190).

>When files are transferred, the date attached to the file on the PC is
>brought over to the VAX. I would like the date/time of transfer to be kept on
>the files (IE creation time on the VAX). Is there any way to do that?
>
If you don't want this to happen, then tell either one of the two Kermit
programs to:

  SET ATTRIBUTE DATE OFF

It's in the manuals (both of them).

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Help with SmarTerm 2xx and C-Kermit
Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:40:11 GMT
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In article <3bie1h$1dp@alvin.ach.uams.edu>,
Bruce Hulsey <bruce@mail.uams.edu> wrote:
>... I can't find any mention of Kermit-32 in the listing of Kermit 
>software versions in the "Using C-Kermit" book.  Is Kermit-32 a 
>'legitimate' member of the Kermit family?
>
It used to be, but the people who wrote and maintained it -- Bob
McQueen and Nick Bush of Stevens Institutue of Technology -- disappeared
about eight years ago.  The program is not supported, it's written in
a language (Bliss-32) that nobody has and that even DEC has dropped
support for, etc.  So I'd say no, it is no longer recommended or
encouraged.  There is hardly anything it can do that C-Kermit for VMS
can't do, and C-Kermit can do thousands of things that Kermit-32 can't.
And C-Kermit is fully supported.  If you have some old commercial
software that does not implement the Kermit protocol correctly, you
probably won't get any sympathy from that quarter either -- they will
tell you, just like I will, to use the up-to-date versions that fix
older bugs and that are supported.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit weirdness
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In article <D03rM7.37t@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu>,
Erik Hatcher <esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:
>To make a long story short, he is trying to put things like
>":-(" in the subject and it is causing problems.  Below is
>a test I performed that gives me the same error.
>...
>arglist = echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3)
>C-Kermit>xif success {arglist {(},show macro arglist}
>?No keywords match - glist
>
>I realize that the "(" is potentially bad and that is exactly
>what is causing the problem.  What can I do to alleviate
>this weirdness?
>
Quote the parentheses by giving the ASCII character value:

  xif success {arglist {\40},show macro arglist}

- Frank

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From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher)
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I'm working on an application that is sending from
VMS to VMS (either VAX or Alpha) C-Kermit (running
version 190).

I need to have the server side rename a file when
it receives it, but I want to be sure that this
operation is secure (meaning that a malicious
user could NOT send a SYSUAF.DAT and rename it
to the system one, etc).  I.e.  rename the file
in the same directory to which it was sent.

So I assume that enabling host is out.  Can
I disable "cd" and do a "remote kermit rename x y"?
Can I use APC from VMS to VMS? (I've only seen
it mentioned that APC is for MS-DOS Kermit).
What are some other options or things to consider
in this application?

Thanks for any and all help.

	Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves." 
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

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rgc@jujube.cs.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) writes:
>
>Actually, I use c-kermit.  Any scripts for that?  Thanks.
>
dial mary; while failure {dial mary}
-- 

Bob Shair                          Open Systems Consultant
1018 W. Springfield Avenue         shair@uiuc.edu
Champaign, IL 61821		   217/356-2684

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From: vefatica@cockpit.syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
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Those who are really serious about getting the very fastest file transfer
should have some standard by which to measure their own Kermit's performance
and compare it to others. By this I mean an utterly uncompressible file
of significant length. It's easy to make one: using your favorite language,
write characters in the range 0 to 255 AT RANDOM to a file. When you're
done, try zip or gzip on it ... it'll get bigger ... it's really
uncompressible. I keep a 100,000 byte such file (called "tight") around
for testing purposes.

I routinely achieve 1635 cps on a 14400 dialed connection and 1090 cps on
a 9600 dialed connection. I believe this is pretty darned close to optimum
for uncompressible data. How do you do it?

As has been said, long packets and sliding windows do a great deal in
speeding up file transfer, but you won't approach the speeds above with
long packets and sliding windows alone; the key to squeezing out that last
20-25% of speed is CONTROL CHARACTER UNPREFIXING.

By default, Kermit "prefixes" (adds a byte to) a fairly large number of
characters; this is so intervening hardware and software won't misinterpret
them and do something undesirable. For example, if there is xon/xoff flow-
control in effect (anywhere along the way), an unprefixed ^S will be
interpreted as a "stop" (probably not as desired). In addition, the
characters which Kermit prefixes are among those which appear frequently
in compressed data. So by default, Kermit does it as safely as possible.

But in any given situation there's probably only a few characters which need
to be prefixed; so in general you want to tell the sending Kermit to:

	set control unprefixed all
	set control prefixed [only the necessary ones]

As Frank da Cruz has pointed out, precisely which ones are necessary is very
much connection-dependent, and so experimentation is the only way to find
out what you need. On a dialed connection where there's no xon/xoff
(anywhere) and where I know the dial-up server is in transparent mode, I
need only "set control prefixed 0 1 3". If there were xon/xoff in effect,
I'd add to the list 17 19 145 147 (^Q, ^S, and their 8-bit counterparts).
When I use Kermit to make a network connection, I add 13 141 255.
So ... experiment.

Upon first connecting to my dial-up server (a Cisco, I think) I have the
opportunity to issue commands (only a few) to it. I can say, for example,
"terminal download" which puts it in transparent mode, or
"terminal flow hardware in out" which I imagine does just what it says.
I don't pretend to be knowledgeable about such server issues, so if anyone
would care to elaborate, I would appreciate it.

Also by default, Kermit tries to do a little compressing of it's own by
simply replacing strings of repeated characters with something shorter.
This is probably futile for data that's already compressed. Even though
it's not clear that Kermit's actually wasting time trying to do this, I tell 
the sending Kermit to "set repeat count off" whenever I know the data is 
already compressed.

Respectfully,

Vincent Fatica


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    For whatever this is worth to anyone...  It'll probably work on
    other host systems, bus since Unix is what I'm familiar with...
    
    I got the idea while reading through some of the documentation for
    MS-Kermit 3.14 BETA that ansi printing does no packet checking, but
    simply switches output from your screen to your printer.  If you
    have a modern error-correcting modem, this is probably fine, but if
    your modem is old (like mine) and lacks that feature, there is the
    potential for characters to be lost, bursts of line noise showing
    up in your printout, etc.  If you're using MS-Kermit 3.13 or later
    as your comm program, you can use it with C-Kermit (preferably
    5A(190)) to print with full error correction.  Pipe whatever you
    want printed into this:

/usr/5bin/echo '\033_rec\033\\\c'; kermit -s - -a PRN

    The echo command simulates an apc command to MS-Kermit (kermit -C
    "apc rec" doesn't work; check your man page for echo to make sure
    it supports the special functions), which puts MSK into receive
    mode (be sure you have apc on-- SET TERM APC ON).  The options for
    C-Kermit tell it to send from the standard input (from a pipe), and
    send it as PRN.  MS-Kermit will accept PRN as a valid name; MS-DOS
    will send it to your printer.

    					Jeff

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From: cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT)
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when i download using kermit, i set receive packet to 4096 for a faster 
transfer. i then get a message on the screen saying something like "remember 
to set BLOCKS 2 or 3 for longer packets". so i set them to 3. i have no idea 
what they are, though. should i use 2 or 3? does it really make a difference?
what are they blocks of?

any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated :)

B*B,
-Smoke.

-- bye!  :) -- pgp2 key available - just ask. or finger cdl0@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu

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How I may take kermit's files from kermit server ?


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You are girl!


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From: eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert)
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>  SET ATTRIBUTE DATE OFF

This is an excellent command to put in your .kermrc if you transfer
data across time zone boundaries.  The current Kermit protocol does not
understand time zones, and it can munge dates by several hours when
transferring data from one time zone to another.  I've had this
problem, for example, when copying files between Unix hosts and then
using `make' -- the bogus timestamps screw up the build, sometimes in
subtle ways.

Perhaps a future Kermit protocol extension can address this issue,
so that time stamps are handled properly when both hosts know about
time zones (as is the case with Unix or, for that matter, any
Posix-compliant OS).

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In article <3bl10h$kdc@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu>,
CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT <cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> wrote:
>when i download using kermit, i set receive packet to 4096 for a faster 
>transfer. i then get a message on the screen saying something like "remember 
>to set BLOCKS 2 or 3 for longer packets". so i set them to 3. i have no idea 
>what they are, though. should i use 2 or 3? does it really make a difference?
>what are they blocks of?
>
>any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated :)

SET BLOCKS 1,2,or3 determine what kind of checking is used to determine that
packet that was received contains proper data.  On today's fast machines
Block Check 3 (16-bit CRC) should always be used.

Just place it in your INI file.  Also, it must be issued on both sides for it 
to be used.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip 

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In article <D028qE.M3@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu>,
Erik Hatcher <esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:
>I'm working on an application that is sending from
>VMS to VMS (either VAX or Alpha) C-Kermit (running
>version 190).
>I need to have the server side rename a file when
>it receives it, but I want to be sure that this
>operation is secure (meaning that a malicious
>user could NOT send a SYSUAF.DAT and rename it
>to the system one, etc).  I.e.  rename the file
>in the same directory to which it was sent.
>
>So I assume that enabling host is out.  Can
>I disable "cd" and do a "remote kermit rename x y"?
>
DISABLE CD and DISABLE HOST to the Kermit server
program, before putting it in server more, then the
client can REMOTE RENAME X Y (not REMOTE KERMIT...)

Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit".
It's all in there.

>Can I use APC from VMS to VMS? (I've only seen
>it mentioned that APC is for MS-DOS Kermit).
>
MS-DOS Kermit as well as C-Kermit 5A(190) for VMS,
UNIX, and OS/2 all support APC, but this only is
effective during CONNECT mode.

- Frank
x
x
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x
x
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From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz):
: But they can't detect "space" parity, which is indistinguishable
: from no parity at all, and which is increasingly common on terminal-server
: connections, etc.

Huh???  You mean "mark", no?  "Space" means that the word looks like an
eight-bit word with the highest bit alwais 0.
       -*-**-*-**-**-*-**-*-**-**-*-**-**-*-**-*-**-**-*-**-*-
Everything is controlled by a small evil group to which,
unfortunately, no one whom we know belongs

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HELP!

I'm having a problem with kermit on a Sparcstation 2 with Solaris 2.3.  I have
a serial line set up with the admintool's serial port manager for a
bidirectional modem.  It works fine with dial ins.  By the way, the modem is a
Telebit T2500.)  Problems arise when I go to dial out.  Usually, it will not
let me set line.  SET LINE gives a "permission denied" or "access to device
denied" error with /dev/term/b, /dev/tty/b
, /dev/cua/b whether I am in as root or an ordinary user, with all the
permissions on the /device file and /dev links set to 777, it does it no matter
what.  Now tip does fine with dial outs.  But kermit won't do it.  This seems
so strange.  A user can call in and start a kermit server on the same line.
but no dice with the dial out.  It is maddening.

Has anyone else had similar problems?  Any suggestions, ideas, snyde remarks?
Any help will be most appreciated.

Byron.Chandler@microserve.com






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From: BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan)
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   Perhaps this is crazy, but has anyone setup a contrib directory for 
   scripts, front-ends, etc?  We have the Kermit books here and I'll 
   admit I've only used them as reference resources, but I was curious
   if anyone had an archive of .INI scripts, interface programs, etc??

   If not ... I suppose I could offer to create one?  Unless I'm the
   only one in the world too lazy to sit down and write my own scripts
   from scratch?  :^)  I do like indexing archives - maybe it's the 
   librarian in me trying to creep out.

   andrew.  (brennan@hal.hahnemann.edu)

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In article <3bnotf$c4p@caip.rutgers.edu>,  <halasz> wrote:
>From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz):
>: But they can't detect "space" parity, which is indistinguishable
>: from no parity at all, and which is increasingly common on terminal-server
>: connections, etc.
>
>Huh???  You mean "mark", no?  "Space" means that the word looks like an
>eight-bit word with the highest bit alwais 0.


Frank means what he says.  Kermit can auto-detect mark, even and odd parity.  
But it is unable to detect space parity.




Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
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"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
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In <D03Eqq.DJ5@cfanews.harvard.edu> cheimets@cfa.harvard.edu (Peter Cheimets) writes:

>I am trying to speed up kermit. I changed the packet length and that improved
>things greatly.  I don't have a benchmark though.  I was on a 9600baud line,
>and a packet length of 1000, I was getting a speed of around 620cps (15kB file
>in 28 seconds).  Is that fast?

You could probably tune it a bit... I usually end up with 720-730cps for
9600 baud and a decent line... if you're getting retries, cut the
packetsize, otherwise up it a bit... I get good results with 1200 byte
packets on a clean line.... 

-- warp eight bot, kermit kinda guy

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>How I may take kermit's files from kermit server ?
>






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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, vdk@rulxho (Peter - INL) writes:
> Hello Kermit people,
> 
> I use Kermit to connect to my Internet service provider (a SUN machine). The
> terminal type is set to VT220. When I use programs as Pine, NN and Lynx, my
> screen becomes a mess. I think because they use reverse video codes. With
	What might you mean by "mess"?

> 'normal' screens everything is fine. Another guy on this group had the same
> kind of problem and he was advised to set flow control to rts/cts. I tried
> this too, but it didn't help. I tried a lot of other things like
> reliable link with compression, reliable link without compression, flow control
> none, flow control xon/xoff, flow control rts/cts, display 8-bit, set terminal
> to VT 100, but the problem still exists.
> The host sends sequences like <ESC>[7m, <ESC>[m and <ESC>[27m. Is there a
> way to let Kermit interpret these sequences correctly? What must be the
> settings of my modem and Kermit to let it talk to a Sun machine?
	These are fine. MSK supports all of them and far more.
	May I suggest you look at the Sun machine to understand what
terminal type it thinks it is using. Try a man page to see the visual
effects too (though most man pages make a hash of the visual part).
	Then I will repeat the often stated Requirement that flow control
be effective all the way through the comms chain. That means the host end
must support an effective flow control which its modem understands...
all the way to your desktop PC.
	Joe D.

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Norman Miller (nmiller@trincoll.edu) wrote:
: When I ran ms-kermit 3.13 under 4dos I had no trouble with zmodem.  Nor
: when under desqview with 4dos.com in charge.

: When I run ms-kermit 3.14 under 4dos I have no trouble with zmodem.  Only
: when I run under Desqview do I get an error message to the effect that
: the command processor is unavailable.

: That it's a 3.14 Desqview problem becomes more likely when one considers this:
: I can run ms-kermit 3.14 under Windows3 (still with 4dos) and zmodem works.

Which version of 3.14 do you use (the 'full' version or one of the
'lite' versions) ? With my plain old MSDOS3.3 PC with various TSR's
loaded (and thus not much free memory) I cannot PUSH or RUN commands
from within the full version of kermit (KERMIT.EXE) giving more or
less the same error message you have. The medium one (KERMITE.EXE)
let's me go to whatever command processor I'm running (including 4dos). 

If you don't need the graphic or network capabilities of MSK you might
wanna try the medium version (KERMITE.EXE). If that works Desqview
probably doesn't leave enough free memory for your Kermit session to
run both the full version AND a spawned command processor.

Note that memory usage of 3.14 (full version) is a bit more than that of
3.13.

--
Xander.

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In article <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:

...
>(*) There is no truth to the rumor that future releases of MS-DOS Kermit
>    will be be 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, 3.14159263...

  Careful, I think that last one is one of the values that triggers the
Pentium bug.... ;-))


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In article <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:

>>
>>So I assume that enabling host is out.  Can
>>I disable "cd" and do a "remote kermit rename x y"?
>>
>DISABLE CD and DISABLE HOST to the Kermit server
>program, before putting it in server more, then the
>client can REMOTE RENAME X Y (not REMOTE KERMIT...)
>
>Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit".
>It's all in there.

There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME
in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version
of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME.

I'm running both an Alpha...
C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.17, 8 Aug 94, for OpenVMS AXP
Type ? or HELP for help
C-Kermit>remote rename ?No keywords match - rename

And a VAX machine...
C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX
 Copyright (C) 1985, 1994,
  Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
Type ? or HELP for help.
C-Kermit>remote rename ?No keywords match - rename

And neither allow REMOTE RENAME!

Will REMOTE KERMIT allow server side file renames
without allowing renames across directories, or
is there something missing in my version of
C-Kermit?!  What do I ENABLE to get REMOTE KERMIT
to work?  I want to enable as little as possible.

Thanks,
	Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves." 
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
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From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: "OPEN READ file" Problems
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Frank et al, I apologize that everything
I post to this newsgroup are problems I'm
experiencing with C-Kermit.  I truly love
the product and have little complaints!

Now to the problem...

I'm running...
C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX

And created a text file called param.dat
containing three small lines of text.

Then went into C-Kermit and did this...

C-Kermit>open read sys$login:param.dat
C-Kermit>read \%a
C-Kermit>echo \%a

C-Kermit>read \%a
?Read file not open
C-Kermit>type sys$login:param.dat
username
password
e-mail@address
---------------------------

I checked all the docs I have (THE book, the
beware file for VMS, etc).  I didn't find any
exceptions for READ for VMS.  The !READ works
fine when I do this...

C-Kermit>open !read type sys$login:param.dat
C-Kermit>read \%a
C-Kermit>echo \%a
username
C-Kermit>read \%a
C-Kermit>echo \%a
password
C-Kermit>read \%a
C-Kermit>echo \%a
e-mail@address
C-Kermit>read \%a
C-Kermit>echo \%a

C-Kermit>read \%a
?Read file not open

-----------------------

So why won't READ work in this case?  Is it possible my
file attributes are what it needs to be for it to read
the file correctly?  They are...
MV80:[]$ dir /full sys$login:param.dat

Directory SYS$USERS:[HATCHER]

PARAM.DAT;1                   File ID:  (8847,19,0)
Size:            1/3          Owner:    [HATCHER]
Created:   3-DEC-1994 17:49:44.15
Revised:   3-DEC-1994 18:46:26.02 (2)
Expires:   <None specified>
Backup:    <No backup recorded>
File organization:  Sequential
File attributes:    Allocation: 3, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0, No version limit
Record format:      Variable length, maximum 14 bytes
Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control
RMS attributes:     None
Journaling enabled: None
File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World:RWED
Access Cntrl List:  None

Total of 1 file, 1/3 blocks.

Thanks for the help.

	Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves." 
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
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Hi ---

I believe that I am having a problem with file transfer between my PC
and our UNIX system.  Here are the particulars:

PC running MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12 (14 Nov 94)
UNIX running C-Kermit 5A(190) for Solaris 2.x (4 Oct 94)

When I use pcsend to download files from UNIX to the PC, everything works
fine (Text xfers are text, and binary xfers are binary).

But when I use pcget to upload files from PC to UNIX, every file gets
transferred as "Binary" even if I want "Text" type transfer.

Here is the troubleshooting I tried to narrow it down....

Looked at "show file" on both sides...it says "Text"
Get the above result when I pcget from UNIX.
Tried set file type text explicitly on both ends before pcget.
Still get same result.
Wrote a little script to rule out error in pcget macro:

apc server
pause 2
remote set file type text
set file type text
get dosfile.txt
finish

Ran the script from UNIX side, and still the file was xferred as Binary
not Text! 

What am I missing here ?    

I would appreciate any suggestions, insights, criticism, etc.
As far as RTFB goes :-), I'm still working from .HLP/.UPD/.BWR
as my copy of the book hasn't arrived yet :-(

Thanks very much,
Maurice Baker
AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel
mrbaker  at  hodcs.att.com
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From: jxh@pride.cs.wustl.edu (James C. Hu)
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Subject: TCP/IP, NE2000 and Kermit
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I have been attempting to use Kermit 3.14 on my PC with an NE2000
network card.  I run the Crynwr packet driver, and the parameters
shown after execution are:

        packet-intr: 0x7e
        hardware intr: 9
        i/o address: 0x300

I configured the parameters correctly in mscustom.ini, and then
attempted to connect to a host.  Kermit claims it cannot reach the
gateway.

I had my network admin snoop the subnet for me, and I saw that my
requests to the gateway were reaching it, and that the gateway was
responding.  After a while, my PC would request a again, and the
gateway would again respond.  For whatever reason, my PC does not
seem to acknowledge the responses from the gateway.

Any hints, pointers to the porblem?  I had a theory that perhaps
Kermit was responding the hardware interrupt delivered by the network
card, but I think it more likely that the network card may not be
recognizing packets that are meant for itself.

-- James

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From: gfritz@csn.net (Gary Fritz)
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Subject: Lockup problem
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I just downloaded the latest/greatest Kermit (binaries for HP-UX/700)
from kermit.columbia.edu, but it still has the same problem my old
kermit did:  it locks up.

I recently tried to get Kermit running on my system.  At first it worked,
though not at all well, and it caused some strange problems with accessing
the modem line (sorry, though, I can't remember the specifics).  Then
it started locking up as soon as it tried to access the modem.  If I
started it with "kermit -l /dev/cul01" it would lock; if I started it
with "kermit" it would give me a prompt until  I said "set line /dev/cul01".
It never unhangs until I hit ^C.

I cleared the /usr/lib/uucp locks on the line, but that's not the problem.
What else would cause Kermit to lock?

Please **EMAIL** replies, as I will be offline for most of the next week.

Thanks!
Gary

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From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg)
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Subject: OS/2 Warp: Can Ckermit and TCPIP work together?
Date: 4 Dec 1994 16:48:31 GMT
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I am trying to get CKermit for OS/2 to work with the TCPIP stuff
that comes in the OS/2 Warp Bonus Pack, but I have not been
successful. Is this at all possible? If anyone has done this, please
let me know how they did it. 
-- 
University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics
INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu   or    a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu


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From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken)
Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Desqview and 4DOS
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In article <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl>,
jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander Jansen) wrote:
> Norman Miller (nmiller@trincoll.edu) wrote:
> : When I ran ms-kermit 3.13 under 4dos I had no trouble with zmodem.  Nor
> : when under desqview with 4dos.com in charge.
> 
> : When I run ms-kermit 3.14 under 4dos I have no trouble with zmodem.  Only
> : when I run under Desqview do I get an error message to the effect that
> : the command processor is unavailable.
> 
> : That it's a 3.14 Desqview problem becomes more likely when one considers this:
> : I can run ms-kermit 3.14 under Windows3 (still with 4dos) and zmodem works.
> 
> Which version of 3.14 do you use (the 'full' version or one of the
> 'lite' versions) ? With my plain old MSDOS3.3 PC with various TSR's
> loaded (and thus not much free memory) I cannot PUSH or RUN commands
> from within the full version of kermit (KERMIT.EXE) giving more or
> less the same error message you have. The medium one (KERMITE.EXE)
> let's me go to whatever command processor I'm running (including 4dos). 
> 
> If you don't need the graphic or network capabilities of MSK you might
> wanna try the medium version (KERMITE.EXE). If that works Desqview
> probably doesn't leave enough free memory for your Kermit session to
> run both the full version AND a spawned command processor.
> 
> Note that memory usage of 3.14 (full version) is a bit more than that of
> 3.13.
> 
> --
> Xander.

To get more memory when shelling to MS-DOS, use a program called
"Shroom" - Short for "Shell Room".

Waffle BBS folks swear by it.

It shells the program you are using out to disk or memory, and gives
you the greatest possible memory in that situation.

Ask on comp.bbs.waffle for the place to find it.

(It also works great with programs like Deskmate, compilers, and
every other program that shells to DOS).



-- 
Kenneth Udut                                          kudut@ritz.mordor.com
Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens

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From: blaak@infomatch.com (Ray Blaak)
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I need a kermit which points to a telnet session for its remote ``line''
instead of a serial device.

Does such a things exist? I seem remember some threads about it before.
Could someone tell me where such a kermit is available?

Cheers,
Ray Blaak
blaak@infomatch.com

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <94120257161@microserve.com>,
Byron Chandler <Byron.Chandler@Microserve.com> wrote:

>I'm having a problem with kermit on a Sparcstation 2 with Solaris 2.3.  I
>have a serial line set up with the admintool's serial port manager for a
>bidirectional modem.  It works fine with dial ins.  By the way, the modem is
>a Telebit T2500.)  Problems arise when I go to dial out.
>
UNIX bidirectional ttys are a big problem for C-Kermit.  That's because
every version of UNIX, and every release of every version, handles this issue
differently.  It's no surprise that tip and/or cu on a particular UNIX
version, such as Solaris 2.3, handle bidirectional ttys OK, because these
are vendor-provided utilities.  They are probably also installed suid to
root or somesuch.

There is no way C-Kermit, which runs on over 400 different UNIX variations,
can account for bidirectional ttys on all of them (or for that matter, any
of them!) without introducing thousands of lines of code, security risks, and
insurmountable maintenance headaches.

The standard advice (found in all the relevant documentation) is: before
using C-Kermit to dial out on a bidirectional tty, use your system utilities
to make it non-bidirectional.  For example, make a shell script wrapper that
kills the getty and restarts init, or that runs admintool, or whatever, then
runs Kermit, and then when Kermit exits, puts the line back the way it was.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Problem with File Xfer (Binary vs Text) ??
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In article <D06y9C.8p9@nntpa.cb.att.com>,
-M.BAKER <mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com> wrote:
>I believe that I am having a problem with file transfer between my PC
>and our UNIX system.  Here are the particulars:
>
>PC running MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12 (14 Nov 94)
>UNIX running C-Kermit 5A(190) for Solaris 2.x (4 Oct 94)
>
>When I use pcsend to download files from UNIX to the PC, everything works
>fine... But when I use pcget to upload files from PC to UNIX, every file 
>gets transferred as "Binary" even if I want "Text" type transfer.
>
This was a bug in Beta-12, which should be fixed in the current beta
release, Beta-14.

- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <D099wG.Kru@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu>,
Erik Hatcher <esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:
>In article <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
>Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>DISABLE CD and DISABLE HOST to the Kermit server
>>program, before putting it in server more, then the
>>client can REMOTE RENAME X Y (not REMOTE KERMIT...)
>>
>>Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit".
>>It's all in there.
>
>There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME
>in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version
>of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME.
>
Oops, sorry.  I should have looked before I leapt.
I really thought it was there!  Oh well, it will be
in the next release.

>Will REMOTE KERMIT allow server side file renames
>without allowing renames across directories...
>
The only Kermit server that supports REMOTE KERMIT
commands is Kermit-370 on IBM mainframes.  There are
no plans to add REMOTE KERMIT server-end support to
C-Kermit, even though the C-Kermit client can send
REMOTE KERMIT commands.  So for now the only way to
get a C-Kermit server to rename a file is to send it
a REMOTE HOST RENAME (or REMOTE HOST MV, or whatever,
depending on the operating system) command.

>What do I ENABLE to get REMOTE KERMIT
>to work?  I want to enable as little as possible.
>
Unfortunately, this requires that you ENABLE HOST,
which is what you were trying to avoid.  Of course,
there are other solutions, such as sending the file
with the desired name in the first place.  But if this
is to include a directory part, then you have to
ENABLE CD.

- Frank

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In article <D09Fs9.1n0@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu>,
Erik Hatcher <esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:
>I'm running...
>C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX
>
>And created a text file called param.dat
>containing three small lines of text.
>
>Then went into C-Kermit and did this...
>
>C-Kermit>open read sys$login:param.dat
>C-Kermit>read \%a
>C-Kermit>echo \%a
>
>C-Kermit>read \%a
>?Read file not open
>
I dunno.  I tried this locally and it works fine, assuming
the file really exists and really has three lines in it,
and OPEN READ was given the correct file name.

The typescript above makes it look like your PARAM.DAT file
consisted of one empty line, and the second READ command
got an end-of-file.

- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3bsjb2$1e1@news-2.csn.net>, Gary Fritz <gfritz@csn.net> wrote:
>I just downloaded the latest/greatest Kermit (binaries for HP-UX/700)
>from kermit.columbia.edu, but it still has the same problem my old
>kermit did:  it locks up.
>
>I recently tried to get Kermit running on my system.  At first it worked,
>though not at all well, and it caused some strange problems with accessing
>the modem line (sorry, though, I can't remember the specifics).  Then
>it started locking up as soon as it tried to access the modem.  If I
>started it with "kermit -l /dev/cul01" it would lock; if I started it
>with "kermit" it would give me a prompt until  I said "set line /dev/cul01".
>It never unhangs until I hit ^C.
>
>I cleared the /usr/lib/uucp locks on the line, but that's not the problem.
>What else would cause Kermit to lock?
>
Did you read the HP-UX section of ckuker.bwr?  Quoting:

Before you can use serial ports on the HP-9000, you must configure them as
either "terminals" or "modems" with SAM ("peripheral devices"..."terminals and
modems"), as described in the HP manual, "Configuring HP-UX for Peripherals:
HP 9000".  If you attempt to use a serial device before it has been configured
this way, it will not work properly; typical symptoms are (a) no communication
at all; (b) nonfunctional modem signals; and/or (c) massive amounts of
character loss in both directions.

(end quote)

Other things to watch out for: bidirectional ttys (see earlier posting about
this), improperly configured modem (DSR or CTS signals missing, for example),
or perhaps commands in your .kermrc that might cause the open() to hang:
"set carrier on nnn", "set flow rts/cts" (when CTS is not being asserted),
etc.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit
Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:47:25 GMT
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In article <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com>, Ray Blaak <blaak@infomatch.com> wrote:
>I need a kermit which points to a telnet session for its remote ``line''
>instead of a serial device.
>
The following Kermit programs can make TELNET connections:

  MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows
  UNIX C-Kermit for most UNIX variations
  VMS C-Kermit
  OS/2 C-Kermit
  AOS/VS C-Kermit
  Stratus VOS C-Kermit

- Frank

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From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman)
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Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames
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In article <D099wG.Kru@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu>,
Erik Hatcher <esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:
>
>There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME
>in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version
>of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME.
>
C-Kermit hasn't implemented Remote Rename yet.  I called attention to
this many moons ago in a message to, I think, Terry Kennedy.
Here is one instance wherein old Bliss Kermit outshines C-Kermit;
Bliss Kermit implements Remote Rename.  Whether one can rename
across directories is a function of the privs allotted to the
account wherein the remote Kermit is run.

What Frank was saying, I think, was that you could rename the file(s)
locally before you sent them via Kermit.

Ciao!
-- 
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... Virtue is its own punishment.

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From: ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin)
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Subject: Kermit 3.14-beta 14 and vt220 non-erasable characters
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There is a problem with the vt220 emulation of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.
I downloaded the beta 14 version, specifically to test the feature
which DEC refers to as "non-erasable characters".

I prepared a small unix shell script to send the escape-sequences
and tested the response in Kermit and in Crosstalk mk4.

---snip---
#!/usr/bin/ksh
fg="\033[2\"q"
bk="\033[1\"q"
cf="\033[?2J"
echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}"
---snip---

The expected result, which Crosstalk did provide, is a blank screen
with the shell prompt toward the top, and the word "background" 
twice on some line of the screen.

Kermit however, responds with a blank screen with the shell prompt
towards the top.  The "background" words are erased as well, which
should not happen.

Kermit did respond correctly to a couple other small tests.

I hope this can be fixed for this version, it's the only
vt220 feature I need which Kermit does not support.  Yet :-).
--
Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@panix.com)

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In article <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl>,
Xander Jansen (jansen@surfnet.nl) wrote:

>If you don't need the graphic or network capabilities of MSK you might
>wanna try the medium version (KERMITE.EXE). If that works Desqview
>probably doesn't leave enough free memory for your Kermit session to
>run both the full version AND a spawned command processor.

    If memory's a problem, another option is setting the screen
    rollback buffer smaller.  Setting it to 5 instead of the default 10
    would (according to the docs) save about 20K or more.

                                        Jeff

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From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
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Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit
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Ray Blaak (blaak@infomatch.com) wrote:
: I need a kermit which points to a telnet session for its remote ``line''
: instead of a serial device.

: Does such a things exist? I seem remember some threads about it before.
: Could someone tell me where such a kermit is available?

Yes. kermit.columbia.edu. I have used the telnet built into MS-Kermit,
C-Kermit for AIX, and C-Kermit for Unixware.

On newer kermits with TCP/IP, one can telnet from the kermit prompt or
a kermit script file.

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From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: Server side renames - still not solved!
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I still haven't found a way to do server side
renames of a file.  I send the file as one
name and want to rename it on the server side.

REMOTE RENAME was suggested but I have yet to
find this command in the book and it doesn't
work on my version.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
	Erik
--
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From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk
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Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames
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In article <D099wG.Kru@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) writes:
>In article <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
>Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>
>>Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit".
>>It's all in there.
>
>There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME
>in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version
>of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME.

This is really strange. I too have never seen REMOTE RENAME in any
kermit manuals or implemnataions and yet the "Kermit Protocol Manual
6" (1986!) includes the underlying protocol support for this command.

What gives?
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Server side renames - still not solved!
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In article <D0CyFn.4sv@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu>,
Erik Hatcher <esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:
>I still haven't found a way to do server side
>renames of a file.  I send the file as one
>name and want to rename it on the server side.
>
>REMOTE RENAME was suggested but I have yet to
>find this command in the book and it doesn't
>work on my version.
>

Erik:

The answer appears to be that at this time server side RENAME
is not possible unless you lower the security barriers a bit
which you do not want to do.

The only suggestion that I have for you is to perform the rename
on the client before you send the file.  Or just send the file
with the name is it supposed to the saved under from the very 
start.

SEND oldname newname

has exactly the same result as 

SEND oldname
REMOTE RENAME oldname newname

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip 

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit
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In article <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:

>The following Kermit programs can make TELNET connections:
>
>  MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows
>  UNIX C-Kermit for most UNIX variations
>  VMS C-Kermit
>  OS/2 C-Kermit
>  AOS/VS C-Kermit
>  Stratus VOS C-Kermit

Is it possible to use unix kermit to telnet into an OS/2 machine, start
up kermit there and transfer files over the connection?  I know you
can do the reverse, and you can do it to DOS machines if you leave
a kermit running in server mode.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <3c26rv$8jv@mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell <les@MCS.COM> wrote:
>In article <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,

>Is it possible to use unix kermit to telnet into an OS/2 machine, start
>up kermit there and transfer files over the connection?  I know you
>can do the reverse, and you can do it to DOS machines if you leave
>a kermit running in server mode.
>

Not at the current time.  Its not a limitation of Kermit but of the telnet 
server software on OS/2.  I am attempting to work with IBM to address the 
issue.  It does require some significant code changes (and optimizations) 
to enable it to work.


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
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"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14-beta 14 and vt220 non-erasable characters
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In article <V9zukSng1OX5073yn@panix.com>, ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) writes:
> There is a problem with the vt220 emulation of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.
> I downloaded the beta 14 version, specifically to test the feature
> which DEC refers to as "non-erasable characters".
> 
> I prepared a small unix shell script to send the escape-sequences
> and tested the response in Kermit and in Crosstalk mk4.
> 
> ---snip---
> #!/usr/bin/ksh
> fg="\033[2\"q"
> bk="\033[1\"q"
> cf="\033[?2J"
> echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}"
----------
	Correct. And it's fixed in beta-15. That beta is accumulating last
minute bug reports and will be issued shortly.
	Thanks,
	Joe D.

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From: ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi)
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Subject: Flow Control in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14
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Could I get an explanation of how flow control works in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14?
I've read the MS-DOS Kermit book and the KERMIT.UPD file, but they
only tell you that you can set flow control to NONE, XON/XOFF, and RTS/CTS,
and that the XON/XOFF can be set separately for ingoing and outgoing data.
The documentation does not give any detail beyond that.

I'm especially interested in XON/XOFF.
Here are my questions:

1) Does "ingoing" mean from the host into the serial port of the PC
and then into Kermit, and does "outgoing" mean from Kermit out
the serial port to the host?

2) Is flow control in Kermit supposed to  work the same during
terminal emulation as during Kermit file transfer?
And is it the same during TRANSMIT?

3) What is the correct setting to have Kermit pass any ^S and ^Q
characters on to the host, without further processing?
This would emulate a terminal that implements no flow control at all.

4) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when
the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q,
but not send the ^S and ^Q to the host?

5) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when
the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q,
but also send the ^S and ^Q to the host?
This would emulate a real VT-100, I think.

6) What is the correct setting to have Kermit send a ^S to the host
if the host is sending data faster than Kermit can process it,
then send a ^Q when Kermit can again process new data?
This is also the way a real VT-100 works.
In this mode, what is the maximum number of characters the
host can send after Kermit sends the ^S, without Kermit losing any?

7) What is the correct setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S sent from
the host, then not send any data to the host until the host 
sends a ~Q? In this mode, how many characters can the user
type without Kermit losing any?

8) Suppose Kermit is doing a TRANSMIT without PROMPT, so that it is
just sending the contents of a file out the serial port.
What is the setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S from the host
as a signal to not send any more data, then resume sending
when the host sends a ^Q?

9) Is all this documented somewhere? If so, I will certainly feel foolish
for having missed it.

10) If I want to see how this is implemented, where is it handled
in the source code?

Thanks for your help in this matter.

--Mike Ciaraldi




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From: 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco)
Subject: Kermit unable to work with COM4
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Kermit is unable to work with my new 14.4 modem, I have tracedthe
problemto the port my modem runs on. I changed the settings to re
flectthe com port I need to use, yet kermit still won't recognize
com4, I know the modem works properly because I was able to downl
oad using a different protocol. I download from a mainframe, so I
need to use kermit, currently I'm using 3.14 patch level 6, which
was working with my other modem at com1. Any ideas on how to fix
it to work with com4?
 
-CmC

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit unable to work with COM4
Date: 7 Dec 1994 15:02:12 GMT
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In article <17084115D3.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu>,
Curtiss Cicco <1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> wrote:
>Kermit is unable to work with my new 14.4 modem, I have tracedthe
>problemto the port my modem runs on. I changed the settings to re
>flectthe com port I need to use, yet kermit still won't recognize
>com4 ...
>
See the section "Nonstandard Communication Ports" in the user manual,
"Using MS-DOS Kermit", page 207.

For greater detail, read section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file that comes
in the top-level directory of the ZIP file.

- Frank

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From: eks@vki68.aar-vki.dk (Eigil Krogh Sorensen)
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Subject: [Q] X/Y/Z modem from kermit - Possible ?
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Here in Denmark BBSs very often don't have kermit comm. facility.
Normally they have the X/Y/Z modem "thing" only.

Is it possible to initiate a X/Y/Z modem transfer from within a
kermit "session" ? If so is there some special programmes I need
to install on the system ?

The system(s) we are using kermit on are:

SCO ODT 3.0, Motorola sys/V r36 (and dos/Windows).

Thanks in advance


 -- Eigil Krogh Sorensen
 
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In article <3c5ea0$7fo@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>, mike@post.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) writes:
> 
> The February 1994 edition of mskerm.bwr includes some comments about 
> a divide overflow error when running under Windows.  These comments are
> omitted from the beware file in the Beta-14 distribution.  Is this
> because MSK3.14 is no longer susceptible to this problem?  I ask because
> I'm getting reports of the problem from a 3.13 user and it would be nice
> to give him the good news that the problem is fixed in the next release.
--------
	It's not a problem in MSK 3.14. But MSK 3.14 is not available for
general distribution yet; it is still in beta.
	Joe D.

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Subject: Re: Communication libraries for MS-Windows development?
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t130313@cs.tut.fi (Tolonen Pasi) writes:


>Dear Sirs,

>I am looking for communications library for MS-Windows development.
>The Must for me is Kermit - the package I'm searching should fully
>(or as fully as possible) implement Kermit. So far I have found 
>Greenleaf Comm++ that implements only Kermit file transfer protocol.
>I am going to use Visual C++ for coding, so it should be supported
>by the package.

>If you have any suggestions, ideas, tests or anything concerning the
>following matters, please share them with me!

>- Kermit under MS-Windows
>- communication libraries for MS-Windows

Greenleaf is definately an option. CommLib (and Comm++) supports Kermit 
with compression and eigth bit prefixing. One of our developers have have 
been using CommLib for several version (since 4.0) and have had great 
success and good support. Other Comm libs that support Kermit that I know 
of are CrystalCOMM for Windows by Crystal Software and possibly MagnaCOMM 
by SofDesign. Sorry, no shareware.

-sk

>Sincerely,

>Pasi





>-- 
> Pasi Tolonen           Partolantie as.308   Tel: +358-(9)31-660003  
> t130313@cs.tut.fi      33950  PIRKKALA      Tel: +358-(9)49-675474  
> Tampere Un. of Tech.   FINLAND / EUROPE     Fax: +358-(9)31-660003  

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In article <3bvb54$jmd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>In article <D06y9C.8p9@nntpa.cb.att.com>,
>-M.BAKER <mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com> wrote:
>>I believe that I am having a problem with file transfer between my PC
>>and our UNIX system.  Here are the particulars:
>>
>>PC running MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12 (14 Nov 94)
>>UNIX running C-Kermit 5A(190) for Solaris 2.x (4 Oct 94)
>>
>>When I use pcsend to download files from UNIX to the PC, everything works
>>fine... But when I use pcget to upload files from PC to UNIX, every file 
>>gets transferred as "Binary" even if I want "Text" type transfer.
>>
>This was a bug in Beta-12, which should be fixed in the current beta
>release, Beta-14.
>
>- Frank
Well, unfortunately, I seem to be having a similar problem
downloading zip files from a bbs, specifically a Wildcat bbs.  I
had set file type binary on the pc before starting the download. 
The transfer seemed to take place ok, no error messages etc. 
When I tried to unzip the files, I was told that the files were
damaged.  This is the same procedure I've used several times with
KERMIT 3.13.  I'm currently using beta 14 of 3.14.  Any
suggestions?  Thanks.

Gene Collins (collins@iastate.edu)


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3c7r76$bn9@news.iastate.edu>,
Gene Collins <collins@iastate.edu> wrote:
>...I seem to be having a ... problem downloading zip files from a
>bbs, specifically a Wildcat bbs.  I had set file type binary on
>the pc before starting the download.  The transfer seemed to take
>place ok, no error messages etc.  When I tried to unzip the
>files, I was told that the files were damaged.  This is the same
>procedure I've used several times with KERMIT 3.13.  I'm
>currently using beta 14 of 3.14.  Any suggestions?  Thanks.
>
Only to make sure that the BBS Kermit software, whatever it is, has
also been told to send the file in binary mode.  In general, it is
the *file sender* that determines the transfer mode.  It sounds as
if, in this case, the BBS was sending the ZIP file in text mode.  A
good tipoff would be if the transferred file was bigger than the
original file, and every carriage return in the transferred file
was followed by a linefeed.

- Frank



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sorry about an article apparently posted 3 times - we've had a news 
problem here

Andrew Dunstan
Mayne Nickless


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From: tomg@agora.rdrop.com (Tom Glover)
Subject: Scripts via Telnet
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I realize that this has probably been answered before but I am a novice with
kermit.

Is it possible to script via telnet (e.g. login, transfer file, logout). I have
had good success doing this via serial comm. lines but can get nowhere trying
to do it with a telnet session.

Using C-Kermit 5A for SunOS 4.1

Thanks in advance for any help


Email - tomg@boiled.egg.com



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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Scripts via Telnet
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In article <D0JwoF.LHL@agora.rdrop.com>,
Tom Glover <tomg@agora.rdrop.com> wrote:
>I realize that this has probably been answered before but I am a novice with
>kermit.
>
>Is it possible to script via telnet (e.g. login, transfer file, logout). I have
>had good success doing this via serial comm. lines but can get nowhere trying
>to do it with a telnet session.


Of course it is.  Instead of using TELNET <host> in your script, use

	SET NETWORK TCP/IP
	SET HOST <host>
	whatever your login requires
	transfer files
	logout
	SET HOST

As long as you don't enter CONNECT mode, you can run scripts.
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip 

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu>, jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) writes:
>    Does MSkermit support the use of Arcnet packet drivers? 
>    The reason I ask is that the docs with the packet drivers say that
> to use arcnet, the client software must support it (arcnet) specifically.
> They make mention of KA9Q being the only known client to support it.
>    I use arcnet with Novell which works fine. I also tested kermit with
> the Netbios that comes with Novell (Lite) and it works also. I tried a
> brief test of the packet drivers ARCNET and ARCETHER and they both failed
> to initialize and/or self test.
>    Thanks,
> --Larry Powell   jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu, lpowell@eis.calstate.edu
---------------
	As the documentation says, MSK supports Ethernet (DIX/Ethernet_II/
BlueBook) and SLIP Packet Drivers, as well as working directly over ODI
for these and other lan topologies. Be sure to use MSK 3.14 beta or later
(when there is a later) for TCP/IP over Arcnet ODI drivers due to an ODI
ambiguitity problem.
	Joe D.

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Tolonen Pasi (t130313@cs.tut.fi) wrote:

> Dear Sirs,

> I am looking for communications library for MS-Windows development.
> The Must for me is Kermit - the package I'm searching should fully
> (or as fully as possible) implement Kermit. So far I have found 
> Greenleaf Comm++ that implements only Kermit file transfer protocol.
> I am going to use Visual C++ for coding, so it should be supported
> by the package.

> If you have any suggestions, ideas, tests or anything concerning the
> following matters, please share them with me!

> - Kermit under MS-Windows
> - communication libraries for MS-Windows


Check ftp://rainbow.rmii.com/pub2/turbopower

--
Best regards,
John  <JNavas@Netcom.com>

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I've got a user who complains that he gets the error

   ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports

when running Kermit under Windows.  The confusing thing is that when this
happens he typically quits Kermit and tries again with success.  Can anyone
suggest what it is I should be looking for in his Windows configuration?
Also, there are apparently times when the initial attempt succeeds if that
is important.

 Mike Smith                                  mike@ccs.queensu.ca
 Queen's University                          Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA
 Computing and Communications Services       (613) 545-2024




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I've had exactly the same problem. What I've noticed is that when
the modem is on BEFORE I start Windows, Kermit loads ok, but when 
I turn on the modem only AFTER Windows has already started, I need
to quit Kermit and restart it.

In any event, the problem is merely a nuisance, as Kermit functions
perfectly well after it is restarted.


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In article <3c7enb$atf@sundog.tiac.net>, ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) writes:
> Dear Joe,
> These (4 and 5) are two different cases, and they are different from 3.
> Each may be appropriate in certain situations, and I wanted to find
> out if Kermit supported them.
> 
> Consider a VAX with a serial card that has large output buffers, as many do.
> If a terminal (or Kermit emulating one) just passes through
> ^S and ^Q characters (case 3), what happens when the user hits a ^S (XOFF)?
> It gets sent to the host. The host CPU detects it and stops sending data.
> However, there may be several thousand characters still in the 
> output buffer of the serial card, and there is no mechanism for the
> host CPU to notify the card to stop sending. So, even though
> the user has hit ^S, several more pages of data appear on the screen
> and scroll off the top of the screen. I've seen this happen many times.
> Fortunately, MS-DOS Kermit has a screen scrollback buffer,
> but this is still a problem for most users
> (those who are not using Kermit, of course).
> 
> In case 4 and 5, when the user hits ^S, Kermit would stop sending
> updates to the screen. It would just accumulate any incoming
> data from the host into a buffer, then send it to the screen later
> when the user hits ^Q.  The difference between 4 and 5 is that
> in 5 the host also gets notified, so there is a chance that the buffer 
> will not overflow.

	In the user's manual is the keyboard verb \kholdscrn. That is
equivalent to DEC's HoldScreen key.
	Accumulating into a buffer is what triggers almost all flow
control activity: it reaches a high or low water mark. For snappy
flow control response reduce the capacity of the comms channel. Too
much storage capacity will result in lost bytes, with no way to prevent
that from occuring (except buy a faster PC). 
	 

> 
> On case 8, I asked because I was doing some tests on Kermit
> last week and found what I thought was funny behavior.
> I wired my PC to a Unix machine's serial port and used
> another comm program on the Unix machine to talk to that port.
> The Unix machine was set for no flow control.
> I gave the command SET FLOW XON to the PC Kermit,
> then did a TRANSMIT. The contents of the file started
> appearing in the window on my Unix machine.
> Then I hit a ^S on the Unix machine. The PC kept sending the file.
> Shouldn't Kermit have stopped sending the file until
> it received a ^Q?
	I have no idea what the Unix machine actually sent, if anything.
Tell MS-DOS Kermit SET DEBUG ON and enter Connect mode to debug the
Unix side. MSK should respond to the XOFF, and when it has something
to send while blocked it will wait about 8-10 seconds before breaking
through and sending (a deadlock prevention mechanism).
	Joe D. 

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In article <3c2240$5uh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>Erik:
>
>The answer appears to be that at this time server side RENAME
>is not possible unless you lower the security barriers a bit
>which you do not want to do.

No I'm not willing to compromise our system security to
rename a file!  :)

>The only suggestion that I have for you is to perform the rename
>on the client before you send the file.  Or just send the file
>with the name is it supposed to the saved under from the very 
>start.
>
>SEND oldname newname
>
>has exactly the same result as 
>
>SEND oldname
>REMOTE RENAME oldname newname

But it is not "exactly" the same result, is it?

One creates a file called "newname" from the start.
The other only creates "newname" after the entire
file is successfully sent (assuming that REMOTE RENAME
isn't done "if failure").

The reason I want/need REMOTE RENAME is so that my
automatic process to pick up received files on the
remote end, doesn't try to pick up a file being sent
or not successfully sent.  It only picks up files
with the name REC_*.* and they are sent as SENDING_*.*.

Frank mentioned that he'll put it in the next version,
so I'm fine with that!  Thanks a million Frank!

BTW, not being pushy, but how often do new versions
get released?

	Erik
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http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves." 
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
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Hi All,
     Does anybody know from where I could download the latest version of
kermit for
1) MS-Dos
2) Windows
3) Vax/Vms
Thanks in advance
-Chandru


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So, are Kermit and Miss Piggy still going out or what?  Just curious....


Jim Kirk


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From: evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Evelyn Albrecht)
Subject: pc freezing at end of file transfer
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  Users' pc's are freezing at the end of file downloads.  When the p.c.'s are
rebooted the transfered files are indeed there.  The pc's are recently 
acquired Micron 486VL Magnum series JX30G computers.  The remote server 
is C-Kermit 5A(189), the client is Kermit 3.12.  The only difference between 
the previous era of successful downloads and the present one is the new 
p.c.'s.  
  Have others with these pc's encountered this problem?  Would it be solved
if we went to 5A(190) for the server or MS-Kermit 3.13?  Is more information
needed to answer the question, or where can I look for an answer.  


  Thank you,
             Evelyn
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|Academic Computing Services          Internet: evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu  |
|Western Washington Univ.                                                 |
|Bellingham, WA  98225-9094                                               |

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In article <D0G1s8.CBo@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu>,
Erik Hatcher <esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:
>The reason I want/need REMOTE RENAME is so that my
>automatic process to pick up received files on the
>remote end, doesn't try to pick up a file being sent
>or not successfully sent.  It only picks up files
>with the name REC_*.* and they are sent as SENDING_*.*.

Not to be obnoxious, but its about time you explained 
why you needed this.

>Frank mentioned that he'll put it in the next version,
>so I'm fine with that!  Thanks a million Frank!

>BTW, not being pushy, but how often do new versions
>get released?

It depends on how much time we have to program.
And how many additional features need to be added.
It was about 1.5 years between 5A(189) and 5A(190).
Its really hard to say.  

In the meantime, I suggest that you use the SEND oldname newname
mechanism with delete on failure.  And then, code your other task
to never copy a file unless it can open it with exclusive write 
access which should fail while the file transfer is occuring.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip 

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In article <1994Dec10.045958.2111@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Evelyn Albrecht) writes:
>   Users' pc's are freezing at the end of file downloads.  When the p.c.'s are
> rebooted the transfered files are indeed there.  The pc's are recently 
> acquired Micron 486VL Magnum series JX30G computers.  The remote server 
> is C-Kermit 5A(189), the client is Kermit 3.12.  The only difference between 
> the previous era of successful downloads and the present one is the new 
> p.c.'s.  
>   Have others with these pc's encountered this problem?  Would it be solved
> if we went to 5A(190) for the server or MS-Kermit 3.13?  Is more information
> needed to answer the question, or where can I look for an answer.  
-----------------
	Which communications pathway? Did you revise DOS memory management
for the new hardware? Patch level of MSK? Disk caching program really ok? 
	You might try logging the packets on both sides (LOG PACKET command
to see who said what to whom).
	Any other reasonble details.
        Joe D.

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Dear Sirs,

I am looking for communications library for MS-Windows development.
The Must for me is Kermit - the package I'm searching should fully
(or as fully as possible) implement Kermit. So far I have found 
Greenleaf Comm++ that implements only Kermit file transfer protocol.
I am going to use Visual C++ for coding, so it should be supported
by the package.

If you have any suggestions, ideas, tests or anything concerning the
following matters, please share them with me!

- Kermit under MS-Windows
- communication libraries for MS-Windows


Sincerely,

Pasi





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From: michaell@solix.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin)
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	I am trying out kermits new ansi support and am having a problem with 
it dropping characters, (the same ones each time) (usually spaces) I was 
wondering if anyone else has had this problem and fixed it or if anyone knows
if it will be corrected in the release version.   


Also, I am trying to get kermit to work with M. Dudley's Doorway program, thus
far I have been able to redefine the keys so those work, the only problem
i have now is the remote printing. Is there a way to get kermit to work with
it? I know that kermit does work with the VT102 transparernt printing, im 
wondering if a) Kermit can be setup to work with the doorway method :
	ie ( ESC[r;nnnP<String> )  

	where r is the Local LPT port (ie 0=LPT1, 1=LPT2, 2=LPT3)
	where nnn (or nn, or n) is the Length of <string> 
		(nnn must be between 1 and 255)
	where <String> is the text to be printed

If anyone has an answer or even a direction to look in please either reply or
email me at:
		mike@panther.fiu.edu
I would GREATLY GREATLY GREATLY appreciate it!!!! :)

Thanks


mike@panther.fiu.edu
Mike Langevin


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: 3.14 beta 14 and PC/TCP
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In article <D0n8CD.Gn8@adasoft.ch>, jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes:
> 
> I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what...
> 
> I am trying to use 3.14 Beta-14 with FTP Software PC/TCP 3.0 to connect
> from my laptop to my Unix system.  The laptop is a Toshiba 1950CS, with
> a Xircom PCMCIA ethernet adapter.  The Unix system is a DECsystem 5000/50,
> running Ultrix 4.4.
> 
> When I first start the system, I can reach the Ultrix system with all of
> the normal PC/TCP utilities (ping, tn, rlogin, etc).  I then start kermit,
> and give it what I think are the minimum configuration commands to get it
> working over TCP/IP:
> 
>     set tcp addr 193.72.200.10
>     set tcp host 193.72.200.7
>     con
> 
> It connects, and everything seems just fine.  But after I log out, and
> terminate kermit, none of the PC/TCP utilities work any more!  If I try
> to ping the Unix system, I get "ARP failed", and nothing I have tried can
> get this working again, short of rebooting the laptop.  But if I start
> kermit again, I can still connect to the Unix system!  I'm really very
> confused...
--------------
	The situation is easy to clarify. SET PORT TCP in Kermit means
to use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. That stack requires either a suitable
Packet Driver or ODI to talk to the lan adapter. FTP Inc's stack does more
or less the same thing. You loaded FTP Inc's stack and then told Kermit to
go to the same board and grab it; you are not running "over FTP Inc's stack."
I'm surprized that you we able to run Kermit over the board with FTP still
using all the TCP/IP material. 
	If you want FTP Inc's stack to remain resident and run Kermit
over the top of it you must use FTP's TNGLASS program, and tell Kermit
SET PORT BIOS1.
	Joe D.

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From: hchau@landau.ucdavis.edu (Hung Chau)
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Subject: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed
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I was wondering what is the best setup that I can have to make
my kermit transfer between the Sun and the PC.  I have heard
using using long packet (9024) and setting RTS/CTS control,
but is there any other tricks that I can use to speed up
my transfer.

I have also heard about sliding windows and Control Character
unprefixing but so far sliding windows does nothing for me
and Control Character unprefixing only make thing worse. If someone
can explain to me what I am doing wrong or better what exactly
am I changing when I set sliding windows or Control Character
unprefixing.

						Thank You

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From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty)
Subject: [?] Merit PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 PL17
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Preface
-------

I've read comp.protocols.kermit.misc, comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, and
comp.protocols.ppp for months.  I've read _Using MS-DOS Kermit:  
Connecting Your PC to the Electronic World_, 2nd Edition, by Christine M. 
Gianone.  I've read README files.  I've read "beware" files.  I've read 
'til I've felt like I never wanted to turn on my PC again.

I've spoken to people who don't know what PPP is, but who, despite their
ignorance, have installed it, "configured" it, and run Mosaic, Netscape,
Trumpet, Eudora, POPMail, and numerous other TCP/IP applications for
Microsoft Windows with it.  I've been told, "I downloaded a file from
[name of Internet service provider deleted] and typed `INSTALL' at the Run
menu, then just started using it."  ("It" is a program that reads mail and
USENET news, allows you to connect to remote sites, provides a means of
transferring files from remote archives, browses the World Wide Web,
graphically and sonorously, tunnels through Gopher space, fingers other
people, pings other places, and does the dishes.)

I own a 20MHz, i80386SX PC with 2MB of RAM and a 40MB hard drive.  I
deleted Microsoft Windows 3.0 from my machine long ago. 

I've been present on the Internet for several years.  I was Assistant
Manager of the Internet SIG on DELPHI during its earliest days.  My
employer thinks I'm a computer programmer.  I got good grades in school. 
Most of the time, I don't _feel_ stupid. 

I admire the teachings of Joe Doupnik and marvel at his prolific 
contributions to these news groups.  I admit I've never understood 
anything he's written.

I don't know why, but I want to run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP
connection instead of using Telemate 4.12 to dial up my UNIX shell
account.  I guess I just don't want to feel left out. 


Question
--------

Can I run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP (specifically, Merit PPP) 
connection?  If so, how?  Exactly.


Acknowledgments
---------------

Thank you all, in advance, for spending many hours of your valuable time 
helping to make my dream of a better life on the 'Net come true.


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 beta-15 available
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-15 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of Sunday, 11 December 1994, 7:36pm Eastern USA time:

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes since Beta-14 include:
   
 . Fixed BIOS Int 14 redirection, which was broken a couple edits back.
 . Fixed VT220/320 Protected Fields again
 . 132-column scroll vs SET TERM VIDEO BIOS bug fixed.
 . Correct handling of TELNET Data Mark (IAC DM).
 . Fixed problem with SET TRANSLATION KEY {ON, OFF}.
 . Kanji bug with SET TERM VIDEO BIOS fixed.
 . New mappings for special keys of the Japanese DOS/V Kanji 106 keyboard.
 . Changed ? help message for internal DIAL command.
 . \freplace(...) function added (see KERMIT.UPD)
 . SET TERM GRAPHICS VESA (800x600) added (ditto)
 . Graphics-screen dump to TIFF lost some color info - shades of
   gray, etc -- now fixed.

As yet unresolved is a problem with apparent premature timeouts reading
packets under DDK conditions (regular length packets, printable start of
packet character, heavy echoing of what's sent, interspersal of cursor
commands and packets, etc).

Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu.


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed
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In article <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu>, hchau@landau.ucdavis.edu (Hung Chau) writes:
> I was wondering what is the best setup that I can have to make
> my kermit transfer between the Sun and the PC.  I have heard
> using using long packet (9024) and setting RTS/CTS control,
> but is there any other tricks that I can use to speed up
> my transfer.
> 
> I have also heard about sliding windows and Control Character
> unprefixing but so far sliding windows does nothing for me
> and Control Character unprefixing only make thing worse. If someone
> can explain to me what I am doing wrong or better what exactly
> am I changing when I set sliding windows or Control Character
> unprefixing.
----------------
	It's a good question, and one asked (and answered) so frequently
that we really do need an FAQ.
	Here are two suggestions. First, read more about it in the MS-DOS
Kermit v3.14 beta docs, binary file mstibm.zip in directory kermit/test/bin
on kermit.columbia.edu.
	Second, long packets, plus a few sliding windows slots, brings you
very good performance. Be sure to use adequate flow control everywhere,
preferrably hardware RTS/CTS on the PC+modem. Not all hosts or comms 
channels can take lots of bytes in a row so back off if things fail.
For the utmost performance at high risk you may start unprefixing control
codes via the SET CONTROL UNPREFIX command; use only at your own risk.
	Remember that the other end has to play along. It may well be that
other end has neither long packet nor sliding windows capabilities. If
so this is an excellent time to upgrade the most likely ancient C Kermit
on the Sun to the modern C Kermit v5A(190). That has all the bells and
whistles. Ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd c-kermit, explore, raid&plunder.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows
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In article <3cbbtd$iqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jt50@jambo.cc.columbia.edu (Jess  Ting) writes:
> 
> I've had exactly the same problem. What I've noticed is that when
> the modem is on BEFORE I start Windows, Kermit loads ok, but when 
> I turn on the modem only AFTER Windows has already started, I need
> to quit Kermit and restart it.
> 
> In any event, the problem is merely a nuisance, as Kermit functions
> perfectly well after it is restarted.
----------
	Mr. Gate's outfit needs to address that one. Windows fakes the
real hardware to the DOS box, so Kermit sees what Windows wants it to
see and Windows itself deals with the actual hardware. That's what these
.386 VxD's are about (faking the machine, in lieu of a real kernel).
	Joe D.

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From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
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In article <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) writes:

      I use arcnet with Novell which works fine. I also tested kermit with
   the Netbios that comes with Novell (Lite) and it works also. I tried a
   brief test of the packet drivers ARCNET and ARCETHER and they both failed
   to initialize and/or self test.

ARCNET won't work with Kermit.  ARCETHER should.  If it doesn't
initialize, perhaps you used an incorrect command line?  What version
of ARCETHER and command line did you use?

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In article <1994Dec7.113212.25023@wmichgw> x93aroor@wmich.edu writes:
>     Does anybody know from where I could download the latest version of
>kermit for
>1) MS-Dos
>2) Windows
>3) Vax/Vms

The best source for Kermit files is the "official" source,
kermit.columbia.edu.  It permits anonymous ftp access and
has copious README files to guide your journey through its
many files and directories.

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From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: term type in telnet-macro (Kermit 3.14)
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I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta-14. My UNIX-hosts do not know what to do 
with "vt320", and when trying to adjust my mscustom.ini definitions I 
noted an inconsistency (or bug?).

The telnet macro in mskermit.ini:

define TELNET -
  set flow none,-
  set port tcp \%1 \%2,-
  pause 0, if fail end 1,-
  if def \%3 set term type \%3,-
  if succ c  

and accordingly the myhost define in mscustom.ini:

 define myhost -
   telnet myhost 23 vt320,-
   if success assign myhost telnet \v(session)

set the terminal type, and not only the TELNET-negotiated "telnet
term-type" (which I rather preferred the macro to do). When I changed the
myhost define from vt320 to vt220 the result was, that -- expectedly --
the status line entry changed to VT220, but --unexpectedly-- the remote
TELNET server still received a "VT320". (??)

BTW, mskermit.bwr says: "... to create an override string with command 
 SET TCP/IP TELNET-TERM-TYPE."
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Instead this should read either "set tcp/ip term-type" or "set telnet 
term-type".
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: term type in telnet-macro (Kermit 3.14)
Date: 12 Dec 1994 14:08:33 GMT
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In article <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>,
Peter Schmolck <p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> wrote:
>I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta-14. My UNIX-hosts do not know what to do 
>with "vt320", and when trying to adjust my mscustom.ini definitions I 
>noted an inconsistency (or bug?). ... the myhost define in mscustom.ini:
>
> define myhost -
>   telnet myhost 23 vt320,-
>   if success assign myhost telnet \v(session)
>
>set the terminal type, and not only the TELNET-negotiated "telnet
>term-type" (which I rather preferred the macro to do).
>
Well, as the accompanying comment says, it's only a sample, which you should
adjust for the host(s) you are actually using, e.g.:

  set telnet term-type vt220,-
  telnet myhost,-
  if success assign myhost telnet \v(session)

Kermit sends its actual terminal type during TELNET negotiations UNLESS you
have given a SET TELNET TERM command, which overrides the actual terminal
type, but only for the purposes of telling the TELNET server what kind of
terminal type you have.  This is useful, for example, if Kermit's terminal
type is VT320, but the host knows the same terminal by a different name, such
as VT300, and does not recognize Kermit's terminal name.

>When I changed the myhost define from vt320 to vt220 the result was, that --
>expectedly -- the status line entry changed to VT220, but --unexpectedly--
>the remote TELNET server still received a "VT320". (??)
>
I checked this just now and it didn't happen to me.  Probably you just
continued the same session, and the terminal type was not renegotiated?

>BTW, mskermit.bwr says: "... to create an override string with command 
> SET TCP/IP TELNET-TERM-TYPE."
>Instead this should read either "set tcp/ip term-type" or "set telnet 
>term-type".
>
You're right, we'll fix it.  Thanks!

- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <D0L9oo.J6I@indirect.com>, Jim Monty <monty@indirect.com> wrote:
>Can I run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP (specifically, Merit PPP) 
>connection?  If so, how?  Exactly.
>
This question is asked a lot, and we don't yet have an answer.

I hope you get a definitive response, because until now all attempts
that I have heard about to do this have resulted in failure or
hung PCs.  

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed
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In article <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu>,
Hung Chau <hchau@landau.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>I was wondering what is the best setup that I can have to make
>my kermit transfer between the Sun and the PC.  ...
>
Rather than repost the long tutorial on this subject (again), I have
put it as the first entry in a new Frequently Asked Questions file:

anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, text mode,
file faq.txt.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Flow Control in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14
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In article <3c2me7$d29@sundog.tiac.net>, ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) writes:
> Could I get an explanation of how flow control works in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14?
> I've read the MS-DOS Kermit book and the KERMIT.UPD file, but they
> only tell you that you can set flow control to NONE, XON/XOFF, and RTS/CTS,
> and that the XON/XOFF can be set separately for ingoing and outgoing data.
> The documentation does not give any detail beyond that.
> 
> I'm especially interested in XON/XOFF.
> Here are my questions:
> 
> 1) Does "ingoing" mean from the host into the serial port of the PC
> and then into Kermit, and does "outgoing" mean from Kermit out
> the serial port to the host?
	Yes. INCOMING means flow control bytes to/incoming Kermit on the PC,
OUTGOING means from/outgoing from the PC to the remote host, and XON/XOFF 
means in both directions.
 
> 2) Is flow control in Kermit supposed to  work the same during
> terminal emulation as during Kermit file transfer?
> And is it the same during TRANSMIT?
	Transport channels service all higher layers the same way.
Recall that flow control is a datalink affair, not high level operation.
 
> 3) What is the correct setting to have Kermit pass any ^S and ^Q
> characters on to the host, without further processing?
> This would emulate a terminal that implements no flow control at all.
	That's a host problem, yes?
 
> 4) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when
> the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q,
> but not send the ^S and ^Q to the host?
	The host must stop sending, then the screen will have nothing
new to display.
 
> 5) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when
> the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q,
> but also send the ^S and ^Q to the host?
> This would emulate a real VT-100, I think.
	See 4.
 
> 6) What is the correct setting to have Kermit send a ^S to the host
> if the host is sending data faster than Kermit can process it,
> then send a ^Q when Kermit can again process new data?
> This is also the way a real VT-100 works.
> In this mode, what is the maximum number of characters the
> host can send after Kermit sends the ^S, without Kermit losing any?
	That's the essence of flow control. OUTGOING or XON/XOFF does
exactly this. Kermit has a several hundred byte cushion, but modems and
host buffers and other comms storage may exceed that. Kermit does not
stop working when it sends and XOFF to the host, so overrun is a gradual
effect. A real VT100 is much slower than MSK and has only a few bytes of 
cushion.
 
> 7) What is the correct setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S sent from
> the host, then not send any data to the host until the host 
> sends a ~Q? In this mode, how many characters can the user
> type without Kermit losing any?
> 
> 8) Suppose Kermit is doing a TRANSMIT without PROMPT, so that it is
> just sending the contents of a file out the serial port.
> What is the setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S from the host
> as a signal to not send any more data, then resume sending
> when the host sends a ^Q?
	Again, basic flow control. The host is sending the XON/XOFF
flow control bytes. Deduction: use SET FLOW INCOMING or XON/XOFF.

> 9) Is all this documented somewhere? If so, I will certainly feel foolish
> for having missed it.
	We don't offer a tutorial in basic datacomms so all these details
are not explained in the user's manual. The actions are, but not the way
you ask the questions.
 
> 10) If I want to see how this is implemented, where is it handled
> in the source code?
	Serial comms are in file msxibm.asm.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows
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In article <94340.130308SMITHM@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, Mike Smith <SMITHM@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
> I've got a user who complains that he gets the error
> 
>    ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports
> 
> when running Kermit under Windows.  The confusing thing is that when this
> happens he typically quits Kermit and tries again with success.  Can anyone
> suggest what it is I should be looking for in his Windows configuration?
> Also, there are apparently times when the initial attempt succeeds if that
> is important.
----------------
	SET FLOW RTS/CTS is rational only for the hardware serial ports,
COM1..4. If Windows messes up and Kermit can't verify the IRQ then Kermit
uses the Bios pathway, and that's not hardware.
	I wish there were one piece of advice we could offer on using any
serial comms program in Windows, but (aside from "please don't") there
isn't. Windows provides ample facilities to fail, both by overdriving
the lesser UART chips (8250 class) and by inadequate Windows serial drivers
as well as not giving enough service time to the real serial hardware.
I guess as close as we will come is if the port fails then slow down.
	Joe D.

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From: mnits@adam.com.au (Mayne Nickless)
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We have come across a problem using C-Kermit(190) (and previous 
releases) 
running on Sunos 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. We run a c-kermit server using 
the "set incomplete discard" parameter. We send a file via our Cray 
network from MSdos kermit 3.13. When this file transfer is interupted for 
any reason (eg:hangup). The incomplete file is not discarded. We have 
traced the server process and it seem to die on receiving the hangup 
(HUP) signal.

Thanks,
Dave Pearse
Mayne Nickless ITS

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From: mnits@adam.com.au (Mayne Nickless)
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We are having some problems with kermit 5a(190) running on both SunOs 
4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. Our users connect to a modem which is hanging on 
some DCX network equipment, and from there connecting to a Sun box, where 
kermit is run up in server mode, with "set file incomplete discard" set 
in the .kermrc. If the user disconnects (e.g. a modem hangup), an 
incompletely transferred file is _not_ discarded.

We have had the same problem with previous versions of c-kermit - it is 
not new in version 190.

When we traced the kermit server process, it appeared that it got the 
hangup and then just died.

Any help would be appreciated.

cheers

Andrew Dunstan
Systems Administrator
Mayne Nickless ITS


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From: mnits@adam.com.au (Mayne Nickless)
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We are having some problems with kermit 5a(190) running on both SunOs
4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. Our users connect to a modem which is hanging on
some DCX network equipment, and from there connecting to a Sun box, where    
kermit is run up in server mode, with "set file incomplete discard" set   
in the .kermrc. If the user disconnects (e.g. a modem hangup), an
incompletely transferred file is _not_ discarded.
 
We have had the same problem with previous versions of c-kermit - it is    
not new in version 190.
 
When we traced the kermit server process, it appeared that it got the
hangup and then just died.
 
Any help would be appreciated.
 
cheers
 
Andrew Dunstan
Systems Administrator
Mayne Nickless ITS


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <3c0fpi$126@adam.com.au>, Mayne Nickless <mnits@adam.com.au> wrote:
>We have come across a problem using C-Kermit(190) (and previous 
>releases) 
>running on Sunos 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. We run a c-kermit server using 
>the "set incomplete discard" parameter. We send a file via our Cray 
>network from MSdos kermit 3.13. When this file transfer is interupted for 
>any reason (eg:hangup). The incomplete file is not discarded. We have 
>traced the server process and it seem to die on receiving the hangup 
>(HUP) signal.
>

This is probably because most Unix systems automatically kill the shell
when the HUP signal is received.  Killing the shell kills all child
processing (ie, kermit).  


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip 

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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: Did you read the HP-UX section of ckuker.bwr?  Quoting:

No, I didn't (blush) but:

: Before you can use serial ports on the HP-9000, you must configure them as
: either "terminals" or "modems" with SAM ("peripheral devices"..."terminals and
: modems"), 

The line is configured as such, and works for cu and for dialin.

: Other things to watch out for: bidirectional ttys (see earlier posting about
: this), improperly configured modem (DSR or CTS signals missing, for example),
: or perhaps commands in your .kermrc that might cause the open() to hang:
: "set carrier on nnn", "set flow rts/cts" (when CTS is not being asserted),
: etc.

I don't have a .kermrc.  Can you give me a hint what would cause DSR and
CTS signals to be missing?

I'll look for the bidirectional discussion.  I have used this line
bidirectionally, so that may be a good lead.

What confuses me is that it *was* working (although VERY slowly) at one time,
and then *something* changed and now it doesn't.  I don't know what the
*something* is, but the fact that it used to work would seem to indicate
that it's not a version problem, or anything that hasn't changed in the
meantime.  I don't *think* it's the modem, because I've switched modems
since then and it didn't change anything.

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From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith)
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The February 1994 edition of mskerm.bwr includes some comments about 
a divide overflow error when running under Windows.  These comments are
omitted from the beware file in the Beta-14 distribution.  Is this
because MSK3.14 is no longer susceptible to this problem?  I ask because
I'm getting reports of the problem from a 3.13 user and it would be nice
to give him the good news that the problem is fixed in the next release.
 
 Mike Smith                                  mike@ccs.queensu.ca
 Queen's University                          Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA
 Computing and Communications Services       (613) 545-2024
-- 
 
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In article <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>	The situation is easy to clarify. SET PORT TCP in Kermit means
>to use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. That stack requires either a suitable
>Packet Driver or ODI to talk to the lan adapter. FTP Inc's stack does more
>or less the same thing. You loaded FTP Inc's stack and then told Kermit to
>go to the same board and grab it; you are not running "over FTP Inc's stack."
>I'm surprized that you we able to run Kermit over the board with FTP still
>using all the TCP/IP material. 

Sigh.  I'm really sorry for having asked such a bonehead question.  I read
about this restriction in several different places, but I am obviously
not knowledgeable enough about DOS and networking to have understood what
it really meant.  I had assumed that it meant that I couldn't run kermit
and one of the PC/TCP utilities at the same time, but now that I stop to
think about that, it's a pretty silly idea under DOS; I guess it just
shows that my mind has frozen into Unix-based thought patterns.  Anyway,
I just tried unloading the PC/TCP stack (inet unload) before starting
kermit, and then reloading it (ethdrv) after terminating kermit, and it
works just fine.  Thanks for the help.

>	If you want FTP Inc's stack to remain resident and run Kermit
>over the top of it you must use FTP's TNGLASS program, and tell Kermit
>SET PORT BIOS1.

This still doesn't work for me, even with Beta-15 installed.  I first
tried just "tnglass pan", and it connects just fine.  I then tried the
command specified in networks/setup.doc, and found that I had to change
the argument format somewhat to even get it to accept the command, but
it still doesn't work.  The command I gave was:

    tnglass pan -c 0 -i -e kermit.exe set port bios1 , connect

This starts the tnglass program, and then starts kermit, but it immediately
says "Connection closed".  I have tried just starting kermit without the
commands on the command line, then given the bios1 and conect to kermit
myself, but I got the same result.  Am I still doing something wrong?  By
the way, I am using PC/TCP version 3.0, so that might explain at least the
difference in command line parsing; I assume that the setup.doc file was
written based on PC/TCP version 2.3 or earlier.

jw

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From: hart@convex.com (Wesley Hart)
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In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes:

>	This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the
>	words in the subject when they are highlighted.  Is there a
>	way to turn it off?
>				Thanks a lot.

I'd be very interested in seeing this as well.  Right now it looks like
kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible
to read.
-- 
Wesley Hart                     "Optimism -- The belief that everything
Software Product Engineer        will work out well.  Irrational;
hart@bach.convex.com             bordering on insane"
Phone: (214)497-4501                                -- The Armageddon Factor

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From: ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin)
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Subject: Protected fields in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 beta-15
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I tested protected fields in beta-15 and they still don't work.
I used the same unix shell script I showed in my previous post
(dated 5 Dec 1994):

---snip---
#!/usr/bin/ksh
fg="\033[2\"q"
bk="\033[1\"q"
cf="\033[?2J"
echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}"
---snip---

As before Kermit responds with a blank screen with the shell prompt
towards the top.  Both "foreground" and "background" words are
erased, which should not happen - the "background" words should not
be erased.
--
Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@panix.com)

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From: stamandp@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU (Paul St. Amand)
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Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) log session file type?
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Hello,

I've noticed that when I "log session this.txt" under edit 190 that the file
record format type under VMS has changed from

These are the file attributes from 5A(189)

OLD_FILE.PRN;1                            File ID:  (17226,34,0)       
Record format:      Stream_LF, maximum 82 bytes
Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control


These are the file attributes from 5A(190)

NEW_FILE.PRN;1                            File ID:  (17500,18,0)       
Record format:      Stream, maximum 82 bytes
Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control


All the log files have a <cr> at the start of the lines and the stream record
format causes and extra linefeed on the printed output.

What changed the record format from stream_lf to Stream and why?

Any easy way around this?

Thanks,
-Paul St. Amand
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Subject: Script question
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I want to add a line in my macro definition that would go like this...


do
  <statements>
until input = string


Archimedes L. Trajano        _/_/_/ _/   _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca  _/  _/ _/     _/  York University
(IRC: Overdrive)           _/_/_/ _/     _/  Department of Computer Science
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/  _/ _/_/_/ _/  North York, Ontario, Canada


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From: laird@coastal.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
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I need to send a BREAK signal as part of my login and
the only way I know of to do this is with Kermit.
The problem I'm running into now is that I can't call
ckermit as my slip.exe -connect option, nor can I
execute slip.exe from ckermit.  Each time, I run into
a problem with both programs wanting complete control
of the port.

Is there a way to get either program to share the
port?  Ideally, I would get slip to look like an
external protocol, but at this point I'd be happy
with kermit acting as a slip dialer.

Thanks!

--kyler

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <D0L9oo.J6I@indirect.com>, monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes:
> Can I run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP (specifically, Merit PPP) 
> connection?  If so, how?  Exactly.
-----------
	The indications are that "etherppp" provides an Ethernet Packet
Driver interface to applications. I phrase this as indications because
I've never been able to get etherppp to avoid hanging my PC as it installs
itself in memory. If you get it to install cleanly then treat it as an
Ethernet (which kind???, hopefully DIX/Ethernet_II/regular) Packet Driver.
By default Kermit will look for a Packet Driver when its internal TCP/IP
stack begins.
	Joe D.

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In article <1994Dec9.201750.35072@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>In article <3c7enb$atf@sundog.tiac.net>, ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) writes:

>	In the user's manual is the keyboard verb \kholdscrn. That is
>equivalent to DEC's HoldScreen key.

Great. This may be just what I need. I'll try binding it to
the appropriate key.

>> On case 8, I asked because I was doing some tests on Kermit
>> last week and found what I thought was funny behavior.
>> I wired my PC to a Unix machine's serial port and used
>> another comm program on the Unix machine to talk to that port.
>> The Unix machine was set for no flow control.
>> I gave the command SET FLOW XON to the PC Kermit,
>> then did a TRANSMIT. The contents of the file started
>> appearing in the window on my Unix machine.
>> Then I hit a ^S on the Unix machine. The PC kept sending the file.
>> Shouldn't Kermit have stopped sending the file until
>> it received a ^Q?
>	I have no idea what the Unix machine actually sent, if anything.
>Tell MS-DOS Kermit SET DEBUG ON and enter Connect mode to debug the
>Unix side. MSK should respond to the XOFF, and when it has something
>to send while blocked it will wait about 8-10 seconds before breaking
>through and sending (a deadlock prevention mechanism).

I'll try this and report back if there is a problem.
I have a tester on the serial line so I can tell if a character
got sent out the serial port or not.

Thanks for the details, Joe!

--Mike Ciaraldi
  (now an even-more-satisfied Kermit user)

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Hello.

I'm using C-Kermit 5A.
But there some problem in transfering binary files.
When I transfer binary file from another internet site,
the size of the file becomes larger!
even if I set the parameters right.

> set file type binary

I don't know the version of the remote kermit.

please tell me what is the problem.


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From: jos@xos.nl (Jos Vos)
Subject: VT220 DEC User Defined Keys supported in MS-Kermit?
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One of my customers wants to use a MS-DOS or MS-Windows emulator
which is able to support the DECUDK (DEC User Defined Keys) feature
of VT220 terminals.

Does Kermit (either the MS-DOS or MS-Windows version) support this
feature?

-- 
--    Jos Vos <jos@xos.nl>
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <1994Dec9.100656.12550@news.snu.ac.kr>,
 <u3311007@power3.snu.ac.kr> wrote:
>I'm using C-Kermit 5A.
>But there some problem in transfering binary files.
>When I transfer binary file from another internet site,
>the size of the file becomes larger!
>even if I set the parameters right.
>
>> set file type binary
>
>I don't know the version of the remote kermit.
>
>please tell me what is the problem.
>
It is hard to say without knowing which software is on
the other end.

The general rule for modern Kermit software is: give the
command SET FILE TYPE BINARY to the file sender and it
will automatically tell the file receiver that the transfer
mode is binary.

But since you do not know which software is on the other end,
it is possible that this software does not support the
transfer-mode notification feature.

Therefore, when in doubt, tell BOTH Kermit programs to
SET FILE TYPE BINARY.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Script question
Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:39:21 GMT
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.941210044443.15336A-100000@blue>,
Archimedes L. Trajano <cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca> wrote:
>I want to add a line in my macro definition that would go like this...
>
>do
>  <statements>
>until input = string
>
It is relatively easy to "compile" constructions like this "by hand".

:LOOP
  <statements>
  INPUT <timeout> <string>
  IF FAIL GOTO LOOP

- Frank

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Subject: Re: Can CKermit for OS/2 and SLIP share?
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In article <3cciee$luj@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>,
Kyler Laird <laird@coastal.ecn.purdue.edu> wrote:
>I need to send a BREAK signal as part of my login and
>the only way I know of to do this is with Kermit.
>The problem I'm running into now is that I can't call
>ckermit as my slip.exe -connect option, nor can I
>execute slip.exe from ckermit.  Each time, I run into
>a problem with both programs wanting complete control
>of the port.
>
This will be possible in version 5A(191) of OS/2
C-Kermit, which should be available for testing fairly
soon.

Version 5A(191) is expected to contain only OS/2-specific
enhancements, and therefore will probably be released only
for OS/2.

Watch this newsgroup for announcements.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: VT220 DEC User Defined Keys supported in MS-Kermit?
Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:46:16 GMT
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In article <D0M53v.2Gq@inter.nl.net>, Jos Vos <josv@inter.NL.net> wrote:
>One of my customers wants to use a MS-DOS or MS-Windows emulator
>which is able to support the DECUDK (DEC User Defined Keys) feature
>of VT220 terminals.  Does Kermit (either the MS-DOS or MS-Windows version)
>support this feature?
>
MS-DOS Kermit, which is also the only Kermit program that we recommend
or support for Windows, does support this feature.  You should try
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta, since version 3.14 supports it better than did
previous releases, by addition of \Kverbs (\KudkF6..F20) specifically
for the UDKs, which you can assign to the keys or key-combos of your
choice.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary
mode, file mstibm.zip, unzip with "-d" switch, read top-level READ.ME
file to get started.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com>, Wesley Hart <hart@convex.com> wrote:
>In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes:
>>	This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the
>>	words in the subject when they are highlighted.  Is there a
>>	way to turn it off?
>
>I'd be very interested in seeing this as well.  Right now it looks like
>kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible
>to read.
>
If your newsreader is like mine, it displays the subject not as
"highlighted" text, but rather as "underlined" text.

But color PC video adapters do not support an underlined attribute, so
MS-DOS Kermit displays underlined text in a distinct fore/background
color combination.  In version 3.13, it chose these colors automatically,
based on the regular fore/background colors.

In version 3.14 (still in Beta), we have a new command, SET TERMINAL
UNDERSCORE, to let you choose the underscore-simulation colors yourself.
The syntax is the same as with SET TERMINAL COLOR.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary
mode, file mstibm.zip, unzip with "-d" switch, read top-level READ.ME
to get started.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Protected fields in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 beta-15
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In article <D6LxkSng1Cy5075yn@panix.com>, ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) writes:
> I tested protected fields in beta-15 and they still don't work.
> I used the same unix shell script I showed in my previous post
> (dated 5 Dec 1994):
> 
> ---snip---
> #!/usr/bin/ksh
> fg="\033[2\"q"
> bk="\033[1\"q"
> cf="\033[?2J"
> echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}"
> ---snip---
> 
> As before Kermit responds with a blank screen with the shell prompt
> towards the top.  Both "foreground" and "background" words are
> erased, which should not happen - the "background" words should not
> be erased.
------------
	That's odd, because this sequence works properly here using Beta-15.
The screen shows only the words "background" after erasure. Maybe you should
turn on debugging (SET DEBUG ON) to see what the host is actually sending.
Or make a short test file and REPLAY it locally.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows
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In article <3ckqjv$v74@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Ken.Crossman@ualberta.ca (ken crossman) writes:
> 
> Hello Joe:
> 
> Another window-ish question:
> 
> Most of our Windows/TCPIP customers are using a Winsock stack, usually
> Novells.
> 
> We have not been able to locate a Winsock Telnet client which
> can match the features provided by Mskermit. (diacritics, session logging).
> 
> Do you know of any way to get Mskermit like quality from Telnet sessions 
> when using Winsock? 
--------------
	I'd like to say "there's only one" but that would not be entirely
fair. While at DOS level outside of Windows (not the DOS box) load Novell's
TELAPI after starting their TCP/IP stack. MS-DOS Kermit can use that while
in Windows, via SET PORT BIOSn, or SET PORT 3COM(BAPI), or SET PORT
NOVELL(NASI), or with a simple assistance of macro "telapi" such as

def telapi run tsu -o \%1 -p \%2 k1,run tsu -a k1 1,set port nov

(run as Kermit command telapi host.domain). 
	I think I need to remind readers that many "winsock" interfaces
are but a thin layer which reaches down to a TCP/IP stack loaded as a DOS
TSR. Not all, but many. So the attraction is more glitter (memory hogging,
more software to pass through for every byte) than one might suspect.
	Joe D.


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From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
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Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 beta-15 command-line editing bug
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jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>  . Fixed BIOS Int 14 redirection, which was broken a couple edits back.

Thanks!  Just like Int 14 redirection, the following bug really does occur.
Typing any of the following four couplets at the MS-Kermit command line
will generate an unexpected CRLF the second time:
	set duplex f<Esc><Enter>
	set duplex f<Esc>

	set duplex f<Esc><Enter>
	set duplex h<Esc>

	set duplex h<Esc><Enter>
	set duplex f<Esc>

	set duplex h<Esc><Enter>
	set duplex h<Esc>
where <Esc> means the Escape key and <Enter> means the Enter key.  Really.

Thanks again,
Daniel Lewart
d-lewart@uiuc.edu

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From: ycl6@inibara.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee)
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Subject: Any way to get Commo-like screen updating speeds with MS-Kermit?
Date: 14 Dec 1994 19:27:43 GMT
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I'm a big fan of Joe and Frank's work with MS-Kermit.  However, I am
typing this using Commo 6.0, because its screen updating speed is
magnitudes better than MS-Kermit 3.14 on my puny XT clone.  (I'm on a
14.4k dialup connection to Columbia U.)  Previously I've written on how
Telix's screen updating is better than Kermit's as well, but Commo blows
them both out of the water!

I know Kermit's written with assembly, and I presume Commo is as well. 
Any hopes of speeding up the screen updates under Kermit in the future? 
And yes, I have SET TERM VIDEO-WRITING DIRECT (the default) on--it's
pretty painful if set to BIOS.

Pleaes note this is not a complaint in any way--Kermit's rock-solid
emulation and other features is a big, big plus.  Consider it more of a
wish for the future.

Thanks!
--   _____________________________________________________________________
     Yeechang Lee  (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94
     Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell
     Still working on that juggling-while-I-play-the-harmonica trick . . .

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From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: SEND sending 0 byte file!
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I reported this problem earlier, but got no replies.
I'm running ...

C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX
 Copyright (C) 1985, 1994,


And have a macro to send a file like this...

        send \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) \%a

There are some other commands in the macro besides
this, but the file pointed to by the logical SENDFILE_LOCAL
is about 700 blocks and this send is exiting in a split
second and saying that it worked fine!

I can follow the exact steps manually and the send works
fine.  Any advice?  What would cause the send to say
it finished successfully when in fact it didn't transmit
anything??

Thanks,
	Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves." 
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

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Subject: Re: SEND sending 0 byte file!
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In article <D0ppuE.L0u@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu>,
Erik Hatcher <esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:

>I can follow the exact steps manually and the send works
>fine.  Any advice?  What would cause the send to say
>it finished successfully when in fact it didn't transmit
>anything??

Sounds like a possible bug.   I would need more info, 
such as a DEBUG LOG file to be able to see what is 
happening.  

Create two log files:  

1) done manually.

2) done with the macro

and send them to me or kermit@columbia.edu

for examination.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip 

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How do I remove the dial progress dialog in C-Kermit?  SET DIAL DISPLAY OFF
removes the modem responses, but I want it so that nothing appears on the 
screen when I dial.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: VT220 DEC User Defined Keys supported in MS-Kermit?
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In article <D0M53v.2Gq@inter.NL.net>, jos@xos.nl (Jos Vos) writes:
> One of my customers wants to use a MS-DOS or MS-Windows emulator
> which is able to support the DECUDK (DEC User Defined Keys) feature
> of VT220 terminals.
> 
> Does Kermit (either the MS-DOS or MS-Windows version) support this
> feature?
---------------
	For a rather complete list of features and their explainations
may I direct you to the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit."
In there you will find that MS-DOS Kermit has supported DEC UDK's for
years. Full details of the book ident are given on screen two of the
Kermit HELP command. MS-DOS Kermit is a DOS program which runs fine
also in DOS boxes of Windows, NT and OS/2.
	Joe D.

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We are telling users to use the DECVT241 terminal emulator to connect to 
our system when using kermit 3.13. We have run into the problem of not 
having a destructive delete key and can't figure out how to map one onto 
the delete key itself. We have tried the SET KEY option with many 
different designations and nothing seems to work properly. All 
suggestions are welcome.
                              Thanks,
                                PAUL 

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Any way to get Commo-like screen updating speeds with MS-Kermit?
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In article <3cngvf$7qn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Yeechang Lee <ycl6@columbia.edu> wrote:
>I know Kermit's written with assembly, and I presume Commo is as well. 
>Any hopes of speeding up the screen updates under Kermit in the future? 
>
I'll have to take your word that Commo updates your screen faster than
Kermit does, but on my own PC (on which I usually run MS-DOS Kermit
under plain DOS over an Ethernet connection), it's hard to imagine how
the screen updates could possibly be any faster.  If I (for example)
refresh the EMACS screen that I'm in right now by typing Ctrl-L, the
entire screen is painted instantaneously).  So I would say that the
screen-updating method is not a bottleneck.

On slow PCs, the CPU is a likely bottleneck.  In that case, you are
looking at tradeoffs.  Kermit's emulator does a lot more (I'm willing to
bet) than Commo's emulator.  A VT320 is an astoundingly complex terminal
compared to ANSI or VT100.

Also, I wonder if Commo runs in an MS-Windows window?  Kermit does, and
must take additional steps in order to do so.

Back in the old days, when XTs were current, MS-DOS Kermit was a lot
smaller and did less.  Like PCs and all the other software that runs on
them, it has grown with the times.

But at least it still runs on XTs, which is something you probably can't
say about most other popular PC software.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: HELP! creating a delete key
Date: 15 Dec 1994 01:02:07 GMT
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In article <3cno5a$3ihv@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu>,
Paul Velardo <itspaul@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu> wrote:
>We are telling users to use the DECVT241 terminal emulator...
>
You mean VT220?

>to connect to our system when using kermit 3.13.
>We have run into the problem of not having a destructive delete
>key and can't figure out how to map one onto the delete key itself.
>
The Delete key sends the Delete character (\127) unless you tell it
otherwise.  The other common choice is Backspace (\8).  If neither
of these work for you, then you are probably facing a host or
application that wants something else.  Kermit does not know what
your application wants -- it is up to you to make them agree.

The trick is to either:

 (a) Find out what the application wants and then use SET KEY to
     assign the desired sequence to the desired key, or:

 (b) Reconfigure the application to accept a different character
     as a destructive backspace.

Some applications actually want you to send the following sequence
in order to do a destructive backspace: \8\32\8 - try that.  Or try
the arrow-key equivalent, \27OD\32\27OD, or \27[D\32\27[D.

- Frank

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From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee)
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In article <3co3vj$id9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
|Kermit's emulator does a lot more (I'm willing to
|bet) than Commo's emulator.

No disagreements here, though Commo's VT102 emulation is better than
most.

|A VT320 is an astoundingly complex terminal
|compared to ANSI or VT100.

I've tried SET TERM VT102, but it doesn't seem any faster than in VT320
mode . . .

--   _____________________________________________________________________
     Yeechang Lee  (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94
     Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell
     Still working on that juggling-while-I-play-the-harmonica trick . . .

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From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Ckermit OS/2 (190) and Ctrl-C
Date: 9 Dec 1994 23:00:51 GMT
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It seems that with the new version of OS/2 CKermit (190), almost anytime I
type Ctrl-C the entire program terminates. I don't think I ever had
this happen in the old version. For example, if I start CKermit from
the Presentation Manager and type Ctrl-C at the CKermit prompt, the
program promptly exits. Is this _supposed_ to happen? 

  Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg    adam@math.uiuc.edu

P.S. To confuse matters, at the same time I switched to version 190 I
also replaced OS/2 2.11 with OS/2 Warp. 
-- 
University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics
INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu   or    a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu


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From: eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore )
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Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news
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In article <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>In article <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com>, hart@convex.com (Wesley Hart) writes:
>> In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes:
>> 
>>>	This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the
>>>	words in the subject when they are highlighted.  Is there a
>>>	way to turn it off?
>>>				Thanks a lot.
>> 
>> I'd be very interested in seeing this as well.  Right now it looks like
>> kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible
>> to read.
>---------
>	So use the SET TERMINAL COLOR command and choose colors which you
>prefer. Did I miss a point here?
>	Joe D.

	Maybe *I* missed something here.  I tried typing SET TERMINAL
	COLOR while in Kermit, and it didn't recognize it.

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <3canj3$4rb@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
Adam H. Lewenberg <adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>It seems that with the new version of OS/2 CKermit (190), almost anytime I
>type Ctrl-C the entire program terminates. I don't think I ever had
>this happen in the old version. For example, if I start CKermit from
>the Presentation Manager and type Ctrl-C at the CKermit prompt, the
>program promptly exits. Is this _supposed_ to happen? 
>
>  Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg    adam@math.uiuc.edu
>
>P.S. To confuse matters, at the same time I switched to version 190 I
>also replaced OS/2 2.11 with OS/2 Warp. 


No, of course, it isn't supposed to happen.  But you are the first person
whom I am hearing it from.  I am running 190 on WARP without problems.
What are you doing when you type Ctrl-C?

And contact me off line about this because newsfeeds are just too slow.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip 

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In article <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.wpi.edu>, Eeyore  <eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU> wrote:
>In article <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>>In article <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com>, hart@convex.com (Wesley Hart) writes:
>>> In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes:
>>>>	This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the
>>>>	words in the subject when they are highlighted.  Is there a
>>>>	way to turn it off?
>>> I'd be very interested in seeing this as well.  Right now it looks like
>>> kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible
>>> to read.
>>So use the SET TERMINAL COLOR command and choose colors which you
>>prefer. Did I miss a point here?
>
>	Maybe *I* missed something here.  I tried typing SET TERMINAL
>	COLOR while in Kermit, and it didn't recognize it.
>
This kind of confusion comes up because of the delays inherent in news.
This question was already asked and answered, but you evidently did not see
the answer before posting the question, but by now you probably have seen
the answer, so I don't think I need to post it again.  Please wait a couple
days and if you still haven't seen it, send email to kermit@columbia.edu.

- Frank
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <KSHAW.94Dec15093136@jobe.shell.portal.com>, kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) writes:
> 
> Hello, I've attempted to write a script to dial my service provider:
> 
> def portal -
>   set flow rts/cts -
>   d {portal} -
>   if fail end 1 -
>   c -
>   pause 2 -
>   out \15 -
> etc.
> 
> However the if fail etc. get's taken as arguments to the dial script.
> 
> How do I delimit portal if that's my problem?
----------
	Commas denote "end of line" in macros. It's in the fine manual, etc.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Status line
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In article <KSHAW.94Dec15090759@jobe.shell.portal.com>, 
 kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) writes:
>>>>>> "b" == bruce  <bruce@ais.com> writes:
> 
>     b> In article <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu
>     b> (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>     b> This is very dependent on which exact VT terminal you're
>     b> talking about.  For the VT300 series, there is no way to
>     b> incorporate the status line as part of the main screen,
> 
> Okay, but I'm not trying to incorporate the status line as part of the
> main screen. For the last week or whatever I've been using kermit with
> terminfo and termcap entries for 80 columns and 49 lines, because this
> works and emacs, lynx, and everyone else puts a status line in the
> 49th line when they feel like it. My complaint is that removing
> kermit's status line (or rather the informative stuff about bps etc.)
> does not allow this line to be used by programs as an area in which to
> put a status line.

	Oh yes it does. See below for the DEC way of handling this.

>                    Programs will write there but it doesn't get erased
> or the screen then scrolls with 2 duplicate status lines left on the

	Huh? The status line does not scroll, as noted. Maybe your termcap/
terminfo structures need a little spiffing up.

> screen and lines getting written over by each other. If this status
> line is an integral part of vt-series terminals than it would be nice
> to have it used as such by programs expecting a vt-series terminal. If
> there's a way there's a will (mine). 
> 
>     b> The VT420, on the other hand, actually does allow you to
>     b> combine the status line with the main screen so that you get
>     b> true 25x80 screen addressing but no status line.
> 
> Um, any idea where I might find a terminal emulator which emulates
> vt420? 
> 
> Also, pointers to reading material about vt series terminals would be
> thoroughly enjoyed. I have some notes about escape sequences mainly
> for vt100, but I still have trouble getting a sense of what
> functionality programs typically can use with a real vt series
> terminal and what keys typically send what keystroke (and what a
> reasonable analogy for these keys might be on my pc keyboard).
--------------

	Some reading material for you, as two excerpts.

From MS-DOS Kermit documentation file MSVIBM.VT -

 CSI Ps $ }	DECSASD		Select active status display
	Ps = 0 select main display
	Ps = 1 select status line
	Moves cursor to selected display area. This command will be ignored
	unless the status line has been enabled by CSI 2 $ ~. When the status
	line has been selected cursor remains there until the main display is
	reselected by CSI 0 $ }.

 CSI Ps $ ~	DECSSDT		Select Status Line Type
			Ps	meaning
			0 	no status line (empty)
			1	indicator line (locally owned, Kermit default)
			2	host-writable line

 Other extensions:
 CSI 25; Pc f			VT320/VT102/H19 move cursor to 25th line.
 CSI 25; Pc H			VT320/VT102/H19 move cursor to 25th line.
				Leave the same way as you went in.
				(These will disable Kermit's own status line.)
------------
From the top of file MS-DOS Kermit source code file MSZIBM.ASM -

; References:
;  "PT200 Programmers Reference Guide", 1984, Prime Computer # DOC 8621-001P
;  "Video Terminal Model H19, Operation", 1979, Heath Company # 595-2284-05
;  "VT100 User's Guide", 2nd ed., Jan 1979, DEC # EK-VT100-UG
;  "Rainbow 100+/100B Terminal Emulation Manual", June 1984, DEC # QV069-GZ
;  "Installing and Using The VT320 Video Terminal", June 1987,
;	DEC # EK-VT320-UU-001
;  "VT320 Programmer Reference Manual", July 1987, DEC # EK-VT320-RM-001
;  "VT330/340 Programmer Ref Manual", 2nd ed, May 1988,
;    Vol 1: Text programming DEC # EK-VT3XX-TP-002
;    Vol 2: Graphics programming DEC # EK-VT3XX-GP-002
;  "Programming the Display Terminal: Models D217, D413, and D463", Data
;    General Corp, 014-00211-00, 1991.
;  "Installing and Operating Your D216E+, D217, D413, and D463 Display
;    Terminals", Data General Corp, 014-002057-01, 1991.
;  "Dasher D470C Color Display Terminal, Programmer's Reference Manual",
;    Data General Corp, 014-001015, 1984.
;  "WY-50 Display Terminal Quick-Reference Guide", Wyse Technology,
;    Wyse No. 88-021-01, 1983.

----------------------------------

	I don't have a VT420, nor the documentation on it ($$$); it takes
both to emulate successfully.
	Joe D.

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>>>>> "b" == bruce  <bruce@ais.com> writes:

    b> In article <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu
    b> (Joe Doupnik) writes:
    b> This is very dependent on which exact VT terminal you're
    b> talking about.  For the VT300 series, there is no way to
    b> incorporate the status line as part of the main screen,

Okay, but I'm not trying to incorporate the status line as part of the
main screen. For the last week or whatever I've been using kermit with
terminfo and termcap entries for 80 columns and 49 lines, because this
works and emacs, lynx, and everyone else puts a status line in the
49th line when they feel like it. My complaint is that removing
kermit's status line (or rather the informative stuff about bps etc.)
does not allow this line to be used by programs as an area in which to
put a status line. Programs will write there but it doesn't get erased
or the screen then scrolls with 2 duplicate status lines left on the
screen and lines getting written over by each other. If this status
line is an integral part of vt-series terminals than it would be nice
to have it used as such by programs expecting a vt-series terminal. If
there's a way there's a will (mine). 

    b> The VT420, on the other hand, actually does allow you to
    b> combine the status line with the main screen so that you get
    b> true 25x80 screen addressing but no status line.

Um, any idea where I might find a terminal emulator which emulates
vt420? 

Also, pointers to reading material about vt series terminals would be
thoroughly enjoyed. I have some notes about escape sequences mainly
for vt100, but I still have trouble getting a sense of what
functionality programs typically can use with a real vt series
terminal and what keys typically send what keystroke (and what a
reasonable analogy for these keys might be on my pc keyboard).

thanks
--

Kendall Shaw                        "Oops spoo."
(415)364-asdf						 
kshaw@shell.portal.com              

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From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw)
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Hi, I get mail from a listserv group which contains accented
characters (irish), and I see in emacs there are functions
standard-european-display, and iso-accent-mode. I've tried issuing set
transfer character-set latin1, but this does not change anything, I
still get escaped octal codes or whatever, e.g. \353. I'll read more,
but if someone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful.
--

Kendall Shaw                        "Oops spoo."
(415)364-asdf						 
kshaw@shell.portal.com              

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Subject: Re: Status line
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kendall thomason shaw (kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com) wrote:
: Hello,
: 	I've not figured out how to get rid of the status line in order to
: have all the lines writable by vi and what not. I can define a 80x49
: screen and toggle the status line, but I'd like to have an 80x50
: screen. If I define an 80x50 screen with vt320 emulation, lynx and vi
: will write to the status line but they don't then erase what they
: write there, and worse yet, lynx scrolls the screen up (down?) with
: the previous status line stuck in the 50th row, and puts a new status
: line in the 49th row. If someone could help me either with
: termcap/terminfo or getting kermit to skip the status line idea, I'd
: be pleased. Here's my termcap entry:

: de|vt320|vt320-am|dec vt320:\
     ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
I use a different term type for Kermit and VT320 since kermit
is just an emulation.  I did not want to break the real vt320.
: 	:co#80:li#50:\
                  ^^
Try 49 here.
: 	:le=^H:\
: 	:am:bs:\
: 	:ke=\E[?1l\E>:ks=\E[?1h\E=:\
: 	:kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:kd=\EOB:ku=\EOA:\
: 	:kb=^H:\
: 	:ho=\E[H:\
: 	:k4=\EOS:k3=\EOR:k2=\EOQ:k1=\EOP:\
Do you use the vt300.ini script?  You can define LOTS
of function keys that way.
: 	:xn:vt#3:pt:\
: 	:sc=\E7:\
: 	:rc=\E8:\
: 	:im=\E[4h:\
: 	:ei=\E[4l:\
: 	:mi:\
: 	:dc=\E[P:\
: 	:ed=:dm=:\
: 	:al=\E[L:\
: 	:dl=\E[M:\
: 	:cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:\
: 	:sf=\ED:\
: 	:sr=\EM:\
: 	:ce=\E[K:\
: 	:cl=\E[H\E[J:\
: 	:cd=\E[J:\
: 	:cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:\
: 	:nd=\E[C:\
: 	:up=\E[A:\
: 	:so=\E[7m:\
: 	:se=\E[27m:\
: 	:us=\E[4m:\
: 	:ue=\E[24m:\
: 	:md=\E[1m:\
: 	:mr=\E[7m:\
: 	:mb=\E[5m:\
: 	:me=\E[m:\	
: 	:is=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[1;24r\E[24;1H:\
                                                  ^^    ^^
try a scrolling region of 49 here.
: 	:rs=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h:\
: 	:ds=\E[1$}\E[;H\E[K\E[0$:\
: 	:fs=\E[0$}:\
: 	:ts=\E[1$}\E[;H\E[k:\
: 	:hs:es:\
: 	:do=^J:

Here is what I have for the mode line stuff:

	:hs:ts=\E7\E[50;1H:fs=\E[K\E[H\E8:

This lets "statline" and other apps
access the mode line,
display text, erase to end of line,
and go back to where it came from.

I did not use "es" because I seem to remember
that it did not like some escape sequences
(or maybe it was tabs) in the
mode line, but I might have just copied a different
termcap entry and did not test if "es" would work.
I also left out the "ds".  I don't remember if I
did not need a "ds" or if I was not able to
find a way to disable the status line.

There are probably lots of other ways 
to do this.  For instance, you can change
the color if that suits you.

--
Roger J. Allen                Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center
System Administrator                                   Chicago,  IL   USA 
Surgical Information Systems                       Voice:  (312)-942-4825
Internet: rja@sis.rpslmc.edu                         FAX:  (312)-942-3036


: --

: Kendall Shaw                        "!"
: (415)364-asdf
: kshaw@shell.portal.com              

--
Roger J. Allen                Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center
System Administrator                                   Chicago,  IL   USA 
Surgical Information Systems                       Voice:  (312)-942-4825
Internet: rja@sis.rpslmc.edu                         FAX:  (312)-942-3036

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From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw)
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Subject: naive script writing question
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Hello, I've attempted to write a script to dial my service provider:

def portal -
  set flow rts/cts -
  d {portal} -
  if fail end 1 -
  c -
  pause 2 -
  out \15 -
etc.

However the if fail etc. get's taken as arguments to the dial script.

How do I delimit portal if that's my problem?




--

Kendall Shaw                        "Oops spoo."
(415)364-asdf						 
kshaw@shell.portal.com              

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <KSHAW.94Dec15092623@jobe.shell.portal.com>, kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) writes:
> 
> Hi, I get mail from a listserv group which contains accented
> characters (irish), and I see in emacs there are functions
> standard-european-display, and iso-accent-mode. I've tried issuing set
> transfer character-set latin1, but this does not change anything, I
> still get escaped octal codes or whatever, e.g. \353. I'll read more,
> but if someone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful.
---------------
	Ah yes. The writer is using a different display character set than
you are, and the transmission software had not a clue about how to deal
with character sets. 
	At the risk of preaching to the choir, Kermits know how to deal with 
this cleanly and effectively, for terminal emulation and file transfer.
	You did not indicate which platform you were using to read the
traffic so advice is a little limited here. May I suggest trying MSK
on a DOS machine, and change your DOS Code Page to match the other end
(try CP850 first, versus the default CP437). The finer points of character
sets and Kermits are explained at length in the user's manuals: "Using
MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C Kermit." Worth reading more about it, as we
keep saying to people.
        Btw, the terms "standard-european-display" and "iso-accent-mode"
are extremely vague when referring to character sets. Please read our 
manuals to obtain a firmer grip than Emacs can exert.
        Joe D.

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From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk)
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i connect to the net by dial-up connection to a bsd machine, through
c-kermit 5A(190).

occasionally, i need to telnet to an SGI machine running irix4 (i
believe), and running as its newsreader nn. when i do so, if i invoke
the news reader, i am thrown into reverse video on my home machine.

is there any way, while in c-kermit, to issue a command that will
return me to reverse video, while still in nn remotely? or is is a
problem to be dealt with in the underlying machine softare, rather 
than thorugh c-kermit?
-- 
--
arthur wouk 
internet: wouk@cs.colorado.edu

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From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher)
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In article <rjmaley.41.0060FF08@mcs.com>,
Ryan J. Maley <rjmaley@mcs.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I've written a Kermit script that sends text to an alphanumeric pager. It 
>works great, but I can't seem to run C-Kermit in batch mode. Every time I 
>launch Kermit (with or without my script) in a batch program, my batch aborts 
>and I get an error %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! The batch program work 
>perfectly in interactive mode.
>
>I don't see a command line switch for batch operation. Basically, I'm stuck. 
>I'm using C-Ckermit 5A(190) (I've also experienced this under 189) and VMS for 
>AXP 6.1.
>
>Any suggestions?

I had this problem and I upgraded to the latest versions and it
went away.  I don't use the define/user sys$input sys$command and
it works fine.  I don't have the versions with me at this moment
but if you mail me I'll send them to you tomorrow.

I'm running on a VAX 3100 and an Alpha AXP.

	Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves." 
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
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In article <3cpkvm$e1v@blackice.winternet.com>,
James Sturdevant <jamess@winternet.com> wrote:
>Erik Hatcher (esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
>
>: ...
>: And have a macro to send a file like this...
>
>:         send \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) \%a
>
>Try this:
>          asg \%f \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL)
>          send \%f \%a
>
>There are smoe command which don't like to parse the long type variable
>names in C-Kermit 5A.  (At least, there used to be...)
>

Can't do the "asg".  I'm running in batch mode.  That's not
the problem anyway.

Frank and I have discussed it and it turns out that "send"
gets confused if you have a "open !read" (maybe even just
"read") open.  If it's closed send works fine.

	Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves." 
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <KSHAW.94Dec15092623@jobe.shell.portal.com>,
kendall thomason shaw <kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com> wrote:
>
>Hi, I get mail from a listserv group which contains accented
>characters (irish)...
>
You do?  I though LISTSERV was strictly 7-bit.  Maybe you have a mail
agent that encodes and decodes 8-bit characters?

>...and I see in emacs there are functions
>standard-european-display, and iso-accent-mode. I've tried issuing set
>transfer character-set latin1...
>
That's for file transfer, not terminal emulation.  Please read the manual
(info below).

>...but this does not change anything, I
>still get escaped octal codes or whatever, e.g. \353. I'll read more,
>but if someone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful.
>
In MS-DOS Kermit (3.00 or later):

  SET PARITY NONE
  SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8
  SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET NONE

In EMACS 19.xx (not 18.xx or earlier):

(require 'disp-table)
(standard-display-8bit 160 255)
(load "iso-syntax")
(load "iso-insert")
(set-input-mode (car (current-input-mode))
		(nth 1 (current-input-mode))
		0)


This assumes that the message really contains Latin-1 characters.

- Frank

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I am using KERMIT 3.13 to connect to a program called MAPPERC on a HP9000. 
Everything works great except I cannot initiate APC. ESC Z works, the old 
TERMINALR escape code works, so I know the software is outputting the escape 
sequence properly. I know APC is turned on because I can start APC from a UNIX 
script, just not from this MAPPERC software. Has anyone else had problems with 
APC?

Thanks


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In article <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com>, hart@convex.com (Wesley Hart) writes:
> In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes:
> 
>>	This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the
>>	words in the subject when they are highlighted.  Is there a
>>	way to turn it off?
>>				Thanks a lot.
> 
> I'd be very interested in seeing this as well.  Right now it looks like
> kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible
> to read.
---------
	So use the SET TERMINAL COLOR command and choose colors which you
prefer. Did I miss a point here?
	Joe D.

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anyone use kermit on an apple][+?
I'm looking for a new term pgm,let me know what you think of it.
thanks.


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From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop)
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Hello,

How does kermit no that the send-init packet is coming and what special
sequence starts it. I am wanting to use this string to stick in a term
program to call kerlite for automatic downloads. This allows me to not have
to rely on t he other end sending apc commands to my machine.

Jeff

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <D0wsAs.6vv@nntpa.cb.att.com>, mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) writes:
> Hi:
> 
> We are currently using MS-Kermit (Beta 14) to communicate with a UNIX
> system, both directly from the DOS prompt as well as run from Windows.
> I have packet driver 3C5X9PD and shim WINPKT doing the networking
> honors.
> 
> The problem is that when someone telnet's to the UNIX system from
> Windows (i.e., they have an icon for MS-KERMIT, using the .PIF
> distributed with MS-KERMIT) everything works fine until they minimize
> it and leave it alone for a while [still trying to measure exactly what
> "a while" is -- seems to be a half hour or hour or so].  Then when they
> return to MS-KERMIT, it is 'asleep'.  The TCP-IP connection no longer
> seems to be working (no response to the UNIX shell prompt, no response
> to the Telnet Are-You-There) yet the UNIX system still thinks the
> connection is up.  I've tried running with SET TELNET DEBUG-OPTIONS ON
> looking for clues, but no luck.
> 
> The only mentions I could find in the documentation is in the .BWR file.
> Section 4 (Microsoft Windows) suggests changing the .PIF to raise
> Kermit's priority, lock it in memory (even though the WINPKT docs
> say this shouldn't be necessary), and make sure some background time
> is allocated.  I've played with these the best I could with no apparent
> luck.  It does have the caveat that Kermit is at the mercy of other
> apps. anyhow.
> 
> When I run MS-Kermit right from DOS (no Windows), it works just fine
> even overnight so I'm pretty sure the indigestion is coming from Windows.
> 
> Would appreciate hearing from others who have run into this, have ideas,
> etc. worth trying in order to minimize (if not eliminate) this problem.
> Private email to mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com, or postings to this group
> would be most welcome.
--------------
	Ok. I tried your situation here over the past 45 minutes. MSK 3.14
beta-15 running in Windows as an icon, using ODIPKT+WINPKT over the current
Novell ODI material. I logged onto my Unix machine with Kermit, shrunk MSK
to an icon, and went away to speak with WordPerfect/Windows for the duration.
After that 45 minute interval I enlarged the icon to a window and the
connection was just fine.
	A couple of guesses to make here. First, is your lan adapter's
shared memory protected against all memory managers (DOS and again in
Windows)? If not then Windows could be using that memory for other purposes
and the lan adapter can become wedged or worse. An intermediate test, after
you've exclude='d both sides, is to start another Telnet session with Kermit.
If a new session starts ok then local comms are in working order.
	Second, the lan adpater part of things may not be especially strong
to begin with, and when it's not serviced often packets overwhelm it and it
wedges. If there is an IRQ conflict (lan adapter sitting on IRQ 3 along with
serial port COM2, for example) then the adapter can be squashed by the
competing hardware and/or Window's drivers.
	The option to "fix task in memory" is needed if you are not using
winpkt with a Packet Driver. Go get mine, the two argument variety, from
netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers, file winpkt.zip, and give it a try. I don't fix 
tasks in memory (absent minded Professor).
	Joe D.

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Hi:

We are currently using MS-Kermit (Beta 14) to communicate with a UNIX
system, both directly from the DOS prompt as well as run from Windows.
I have packet driver 3C5X9PD and shim WINPKT doing the networking
honors.

The problem is that when someone telnet's to the UNIX system from
Windows (i.e., they have an icon for MS-KERMIT, using the .PIF
distributed with MS-KERMIT) everything works fine until they minimize
it and leave it alone for a while [still trying to measure exactly what
"a while" is -- seems to be a half hour or hour or so].  Then when they
return to MS-KERMIT, it is 'asleep'.  The TCP-IP connection no longer
seems to be working (no response to the UNIX shell prompt, no response
to the Telnet Are-You-There) yet the UNIX system still thinks the
connection is up.  I've tried running with SET TELNET DEBUG-OPTIONS ON
looking for clues, but no luck.

The only mentions I could find in the documentation is in the .BWR file.
Section 4 (Microsoft Windows) suggests changing the .PIF to raise
Kermit's priority, lock it in memory (even though the WINPKT docs
say this shouldn't be necessary), and make sure some background time
is allocated.  I've played with these the best I could with no apparent
luck.  It does have the caveat that Kermit is at the mercy of other
apps. anyhow.

When I run MS-Kermit right from DOS (no Windows), it works just fine
even overnight so I'm pretty sure the indigestion is coming from Windows.

Would appreciate hearing from others who have run into this, have ideas,
etc. worth trying in order to minimize (if not eliminate) this problem.
Private email to mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com, or postings to this group
would be most welcome.

Thanks in advance & Happy Holidays!

Maurice Baker
AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel
mrbaker  @  hodcs.att.com



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In article <D0rs3v.L9K@adasoft.ch>, jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes:
> In article <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>>	The situation is easy to clarify. SET PORT TCP in Kermit means
>>to use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. That stack requires either a suitable
>>Packet Driver or ODI to talk to the lan adapter. FTP Inc's stack does more
>>or less the same thing. You loaded FTP Inc's stack and then told Kermit to
>>go to the same board and grab it; you are not running "over FTP Inc's stack."
>>I'm surprized that you we able to run Kermit over the board with FTP still
>>using all the TCP/IP material. 
> 
> Sigh.  I'm really sorry for having asked such a bonehead question.  I read
> about this restriction in several different places, but I am obviously
> not knowledgeable enough about DOS and networking to have understood what
> it really meant.  I had assumed that it meant that I couldn't run kermit
> and one of the PC/TCP utilities at the same time, but now that I stop to
> think about that, it's a pretty silly idea under DOS; I guess it just
> shows that my mind has frozen into Unix-based thought patterns.  Anyway,
> I just tried unloading the PC/TCP stack (inet unload) before starting
> kermit, and then reloading it (ethdrv) after terminating kermit, and it
> works just fine.  Thanks for the help.
> 
>>	If you want FTP Inc's stack to remain resident and run Kermit
>>over the top of it you must use FTP's TNGLASS program, and tell Kermit
>>SET PORT BIOS1.
> 
> This still doesn't work for me, even with Beta-15 installed.  I first
> tried just "tnglass pan", and it connects just fine.  I then tried the
> command specified in networks/setup.doc, and found that I had to change
> the argument format somewhat to even get it to accept the command, but
> it still doesn't work.  The command I gave was:
> 
>     tnglass pan -c 0 -i -e kermit.exe set port bios1 , connect
> 
> This starts the tnglass program, and then starts kermit, but it immediately
> says "Connection closed".  I have tried just starting kermit without the
> commands on the command line, then given the bios1 and conect to kermit
> myself, but I got the same result.  Am I still doing something wrong?  By
> the way, I am using PC/TCP version 3.0, so that might explain at least the
> difference in command line parsing; I assume that the setup.doc file was
> written based on PC/TCP version 2.3 or earlier.
---------------
	Works here, but without the "-i" option. That option is supposed
to keep the Telnet session open until the external terminal emulator loads
(which makes sense, but why would we need a option for something as necessary
as this?), and <something, antecedent unclear in the manual> sends an Int 14h
init command.
	If I include the -i option then the connection is closed by the
time the terminal emulation screen comes up, else it stays open. Go figure.
	The same thing happens with MSK 3.13.
	Please follow directions from the vendor of the product you are
using. For Tnglass follow those of FTP Software Inc for tnglass options
of the version you have.
	Joe D.

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I'm sure this is a FAQ (or at least asked/answered 1K times!)
but I'm not able to get onto rtfm.mit.edu.
What is the status of Kermit on the Macintosh's?
Where is the latest version located, and old is it?

Thanks
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Working with MS-KERMIT and logging a VT220 session to a file.

Problem:  The file contains ANSI escape sequences which are extraneous for
my purposes.  I would like to only deal with the text portion.

Is there a utility out there that can strip away the ANSI stuff?  Or is there
a setting in KERMIT I can set to?

Frank 


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In article <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org>, frank@news.wadsworth.org
(Franklin Hsia) says:

>Working with MS-KERMIT and logging a VT220 session to a file.

>Problem:  The file contains ANSI escape sequences which are extraneous for
>my purposes.  I would like to only deal with the text portion.

>Is there a utility out there that can strip away the ANSI stuff?  Or is there
>a setting in KERMIT I can set to?

Try using DOS and MS-Kermit as shown in the following .BAT file to
to convert the DOS capture file capfile.vt to capfile.txt:

@Echo off
REM Filename: FIXVT.BAT
REM Purpose: DOS Batch code to remove escape sequences from VTxxx capture
REM          files using MS-Kermit as the working tool.
REM By: Skip Knoble, Penn State Center for Academic Computing
REM Input file: capfile.vt
REM Output file: capfile.txt
REM Platform: any PC and DOS that will run MS-Kermit 3.13 or 3.14
REM -------------------------------------------------------------------------

REM The character string, Esc OpenBracket ? 5 i  when prepended to
REM the VTxxx capture file is the code to "turn on" the PC Printer.
REM Usage Note:
REM You must replace the phrase "ESC OpenBracket " in the next echo
REM statement with two contiguous characters: ASCII 27 ASCII 91
REM before running this .BAT REM file on your PC. This is only to
REM allow this DOS algorithm to appear as NON-DOS printable prose.
REM (With DOS 5.x 6.x "ESC" can be entered via DOS EDIT by pressing:
REM Ctrl-P,Ctrl-OpenBracket. Before DOS 5.0 occurrences of "echo." can be
REM replaced by "echo LineFeed" where LineFeed is the ASCII 10 character.)
echo ESC OpenBracket ?5i > temp.txt
copy temp.txt /b + capfile.vt /b > nul

REM Append some linefeeds to the end to set up a message to end user.
echo. >> temp.txt
Echo ------- Text from CAPFILE.VT appears above this line ------- >> temp.txt
FOR %%v IN (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 * 1 2 3 4 5 ) DO echo. >> temp.txt
REM Append that message and LF's to roll rest of replayed session off screen.
echo Please press Alt-X now to return to DOS >> temp.txt
FOR %%v IN (1 2 3 4 5) DO echo. >> temp.txt

REM Invoke Kermit to convert the file temp.txt to capfile.txt
REM Setting port BIOSn will allow MS-Kermit to do its thing, even while
REM something else (e.g., SLIP driver)may be using COMn, without disturbing
REM this COM port session.
kermit -f nul, set port bios1, set print capfile.txt, replay temp.txt

erase temp.txt
if exist capfile.txt Echo Output file is capfile.txt.
REM ---End FIXVT.BAT ---

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Hung Chau (hchau@landau.ucdavis.edu) wrote:

: I have also heard about sliding windows and Control Character
: unprefixing but so far sliding windows does nothing for me
: and Control Character unprefixing only make thing worse. If someone
: can explain to me what I am doing wrong or better what exactly
: am I changing when I set sliding windows or Control Character
: unprefixing.

: 						Thank You


Thank you to all those who send reply to me.   There was simply too many people for
me to write personal thank you note to.  I was very surprised and well pleased
that there were so many nice and wonderful people who went out of their way to
help me.  Again thank you very much everyone for you time and especially Frank
da Cruz for "inventing" Kermit and Joe R. Doupnik for making MS-Kermit
absolutely the best communication package in the PC world bar none.


						Hung Chau

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I need to view 8-bit Chinese Characters in a DOS Chinese system, so I hope
that I can switch to DOS com program when I want to see Chinese characters.
But when ckermit active, I can not open other com program and when I close
ckermit it will hang-up modem.

Any suggestion?

Ching-Mo

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From: chang@theta.math.wsu.edu (Ching Mo Chang)
Subject: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT)
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Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off?

To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can
use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in
MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just
got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on).

If someone can help, I'll be very appreciates.

Ching-Mo

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Arcnet Packet Driver?
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In article <NELSON.94Dec11235144@crynwr.crynwr.com>, nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes:
> In article <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) writes:
> 
>       I use arcnet with Novell which works fine. I also tested kermit with
>    the Netbios that comes with Novell (Lite) and it works also. I tried a
>    brief test of the packet drivers ARCNET and ARCETHER and they both failed
>    to initialize and/or self test.
> 
> ARCNET won't work with Kermit.  ARCETHER should.  If it doesn't
> initialize, perhaps you used an incorrect command line?  What version
> of ARCETHER and command line did you use?
---------------
	As Russ indicates, Kermit does not understand Arcnet per se. Thus
either run over an Arcnet to Ethernet Packet Driver, ARCETHER, or use
ODI. Since NetWare is involved you are probably better advised to use ODI
these days (and the VLMs etc of current shell technology).
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: term type in telnet-macro (Kermit 3.14)
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In article <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes:
> I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta-14. My UNIX-hosts do not know what to do 
> with "vt320", and when trying to adjust my mscustom.ini definitions I 
> noted an inconsistency (or bug?).
> 
> The telnet macro in mskermit.ini:
> 
> define TELNET -
>   set flow none,-
>   set port tcp \%1 \%2,-
>   pause 0, if fail end 1,-
>   if def \%3 set term type \%3,-
>   if succ c  
> 
> and accordingly the myhost define in mscustom.ini:
> 
>  define myhost -
>    telnet myhost 23 vt320,-
>    if success assign myhost telnet \v(session)
> 
> set the terminal type, and not only the TELNET-negotiated "telnet
> term-type" (which I rather preferred the macro to do). When I changed the
> myhost define from vt320 to vt220 the result was, that -- expectedly --
> the status line entry changed to VT220, but --unexpectedly-- the remote
> TELNET server still received a "VT320". (??)
> 
> BTW, mskermit.bwr says: "... to create an override string with command 
>  SET TCP/IP TELNET-TERM-TYPE."
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Instead this should read either "set tcp/ip term-type" or "set telnet 
> term-type".
-----------
	It's not your fault, it's ours.
	In reality the MSK command SET PORT TCP/IP acquires just two
arguments: host and port number. It doesn't look for a terminal type.
The way to use a different terminal type is SET TERMINAL TYPE kind
or just SET TERMINAL kind. This will pass along to the host, upon
request, the same terminal type spelling we see in commands. Here is 
the canned list, lifted from the code:
	"UNKNOWN","H-19","VT52","VT100","VT102","VT220","VT320",
	"TEK4014","VIP7809","PT200","D463","D470","wyse50","ANSI"

	As you point out, the program uses SET TCP/IP TERM-TYPE ident
as the way to tell the host a different identication string than the 
default method. 
	The docs will be modified to be clear and correct on both items.
	Thanks,
	Joe D.

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Hello Joe:

Another window-ish question:

Most of our Windows/TCPIP customers are using a Winsock stack, usually
Novells.

We have not been able to locate a Winsock Telnet client which
can match the features provided by Mskermit. (diacritics, session logging).

Do you know of any way to get Mskermit like quality from Telnet sessions 
when using Winsock? 

Thanks.

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In article <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <KSHAW.94Dec8032548@jobe.shell.portal.com>, kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) writes:
>> Hello,
>> 	I've not figured out how to get rid of the status line in order to
>> have all the lines writable by vi and what not. I can define a 80x49
>> screen and toggle the status line, but I'd like to have an 80x50
>> screen. If I define an 80x50 screen with vt320 emulation, lynx and vi
>> will write to the status line but they don't then erase what they
>> write there, and worse yet, lynx scrolls the screen up (down?) with
>> the previous status line stuck in the 50th row, and puts a new status
>> line in the 49th row. If someone could help me either with
>> termcap/terminfo or getting kermit to skip the status line idea, I'd
>> be pleased. Here's my termcap entry:
> ------------
> 	The last line, status, is an integral part of VT terminals. There
> is no way of making that part of the regular screen.
> 	Joe D.

This is very dependent on which exact VT terminal you're talking about.
For the VT300 series, there is no way to incorporate the status line
as part of the main screen, although some implementations (eg, DECterm,
a VT320-level implementation on DEC workstations) allow you to select
the status line or not, and also allow you to set the size of the main
screen (up to perhaps 72x132 or so being reasonable if you have a
1280x1024 screen), which gives you much the same capability that's being
asked for here.  However if the host software requests a status line, the
DECterm will helpfully create it for you (keeping your main window the
same size but possibly making the entire window too big to quite fit on
the screen if you've made it big).

The VT420, on the other hand, actually does allow you to combine the
status line with the main screen so that you get true 25x80 screen
addressing but no status line.  It also allows you to set the terminal
in 36 or 48-line modes, but I think those include a separate status
line.  I don't know offhand what the VT420 does with the "Select Status
Line" commands if it's in 25x80 mode;  the terminal I've usually
experimented with for such questions is on the other side of town, and
the documentation around here is vague on the subject.

The subject of compatibility with VT-series status lines is rather
subtle.  I have yet to see any terminal emulator, commercial or
otherwise (including Kermit and even DEC's Pathworks terminal
emulator, I might add) that quite gets it all right.

Bruce C. Wright

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From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher)
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In article <D0w2Mv.JnG@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
Erik Hatcher <esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:

>
>Can't do the "asg".  I'm running in batch mode.  That's not
>the problem anyway.

Oops!  :)  I spoke too quickly.  I misread the "asg" and
thought we were talking about an "askq"!  My apologies.
I most certainly could do that in batch mode.

But the below is still truth...

>
>Frank and I have discussed it and it turns out that "send"
>gets confused if you have a "open !read" (maybe even just
>"read") open.  If it's closed send works fine.
>
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves." 
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT)
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In article <CHANG.94Dec16183135@theta.math.wsu.edu>,
Ching Mo Chang <chang@theta.math.wsu.edu> wrote:
>Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off?
>
>To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can
>use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in
>MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just
>got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on).
>
>If someone can help, I'll be very appreciates.
>
>Ching-Mo

The other program must be called from with C-kermit, and then it must
the ports file handle as a parameter.  It cannot try to open the port 
directly.
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
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I has a Hayes optima 288 modem connection to my IBM RS6000 AIX 3.2.5 
computer.  I setup my modem &D0 to ignore the DTR when exit (no hang 
up).  I can dial-out no problem, but if I exit kermit, the modem will 
hang up.  It is not what I want.  Can anyone tell me how to set Kermit 
DTR ignore?  Thank you for help.


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I has a Hayes optima 288 modem connect to my IBM RS6000 AIX 3.2.5 
computer.  I setup my modem &D0 to ignore  DTR when exit (don't hnagup).  
In kermit, I have no problem to dial-out, if I exit from kermit.  My 
modem get hangup, that what I don't want (because I want use SLIP line).  
CAn anyone tell me how to do it?  Thank you.

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From: burns@eisner.decus.org (Scott Burns)
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Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode?
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It is a known problem with that release. Upgrade to 5A(190) from:

watsun.cc.columbia.edu

scott

burns@eisner.decus.org

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	This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the
	words in the subject when they are highlighted.  Is there a
	way to turn it off?
				Thanks a lot.

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From: ccksb@blaze.trentu.ca (Ken Brown)
Subject: MSK3.13 & MS TCP/IP-32 ?
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A preliminary inquiry...

Can MS Kermit 3.13 run from MS Windows for Workgroups 3.11 in a window when
MS TCP/IP-32 is also selected as a protocol?  I'd be wanting to use IPXODI
(an I gather ODIPKT together with WINPKT).  I see from the docs that MSK
will run in a window over odi when odipkt and winpkt are run on top...but
with only one physical board it looks like MS TCP/IP-32 and MSK's internal
TCP stack equate to two tcp's, which is a no-no.

Comments, suggestions and pointers welcomed.

Thank you.

-- 
Ken Brown                                internet: kbrown@trentu.ca
Trent University Computing & Telecommunications  tel: (705)748-1540
Peterborough, Ontario, Canada, K9J 7B8           fax: (705)748-1635

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT)
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In article <3cvkpa$i9d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
> In article <CHANG.94Dec16183135@theta.math.wsu.edu>,
> Ching Mo Chang <chang@theta.math.wsu.edu> wrote:
>>Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off?
>>
>>To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can
>>use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in
>>MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just
>>got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on).
>>
>>If someone can help, I'll be very appreciates.
>>
>>Ching-Mo
> 
> The other program must be called from with C-kermit, and then it must
> the ports file handle as a parameter.  It cannot try to open the port 
> directly.
----------------
	In terminal emulation mode the MS-DOS Kermit command to change
the high bit of bytes displayed by 8-bit terminals (assuming a parity
of NONE) is
	SET TERM DISPLAY {7-BIT, 8-BIT}, or alternatively
	SET TERM BYTESIZE {same as above}, or alternatively
	SET DISPLAY {same as above, plus file transfer screen options}
These are aliases of the same command. Use SHOW TERMINAL to see the
active setting.
	Joe D.

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From: ncostes@eng.clemson.edu (Nicolae P. Costescu)
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Subject: Where can I ftp mskermit?
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Would someone please direct me to where I can ftp mskermit? Also, does
mskermit support large blocks (eg 1024 bytes)? This is the best way I've found
for speeding kermit file transfers. Linux and other unix kermits have no
problem w/this, but all kermit implementations I've tried for dos/windows
use 90 byte blocks. I obviously haven't tried mskermit, and am hoping it'll
do big blocks.

Thanks

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In article <1994Dec16.194852.35622@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>In article <D0wsAs.6vv@nntpa.cb.att.com>, mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) writes:
>> Hi:
>> 
>> We are currently using MS-Kermit (Beta 14) to communicate with a UNIX
>> system, both directly from the DOS prompt as well as run from Windows.
>> I have packet driver 3C5X9PD and shim WINPKT doing the networking
>> honors.
>> 
>> The problem is that when someone telnet's to the UNIX system from
>> Windows (i.e., they have an icon for MS-KERMIT, using the .PIF
>> distributed with MS-KERMIT) everything works fine until they minimize
>> it and leave it alone for a while [still trying to measure exactly what
>> "a while" is -- seems to be a half hour or hour or so].  Then when they
>> return to MS-KERMIT, it is 'asleep'.  The TCP-IP connection no longer
>> seems to be working (no response to the UNIX shell prompt, no response
>> to the Telnet Are-You-There) yet the UNIX system still thinks the
>> connection is up.  I've tried running with SET TELNET DEBUG-OPTIONS ON
>> looking for clues, but no luck.
>> 
>> The only mentions I could find in the documentation is in the .BWR file.
>> Section 4 (Microsoft Windows) suggests changing the .PIF to raise
>> Kermit's priority, lock it in memory (even though the WINPKT docs
>> say this shouldn't be necessary), and make sure some background time
>> is allocated.  I've played with these the best I could with no apparent
>> luck.  It does have the caveat that Kermit is at the mercy of other
>> apps. anyhow.
>> 
>> When I run MS-Kermit right from DOS (no Windows), it works just fine
>> even overnight so I'm pretty sure the indigestion is coming from Windows.
>> 
>> Would appreciate hearing from others who have run into this, have ideas,
>> etc. worth trying in order to minimize (if not eliminate) this problem.
>> Private email to mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com, or postings to this group
>> would be most welcome.
>--------------
>	Ok. I tried your situation here over the past 45 minutes. MSK 3.14
>beta-15 running in Windows as an icon, using ODIPKT+WINPKT over the current
>Novell ODI material. I logged onto my Unix machine with Kermit, shrunk MSK
>to an icon, and went away to speak with WordPerfect/Windows for the duration.
>After that 45 minute interval I enlarged the icon to a window and the
>connection was just fine.
>	A couple of guesses to make here. First, is your lan adapter's
>shared memory protected against all memory managers (DOS and again in
>Windows)? If not then Windows could be using that memory for other purposes
>and the lan adapter can become wedged or worse. An intermediate test, after
>you've exclude='d both sides, is to start another Telnet session with Kermit.
>If a new session starts ok then local comms are in working order.
>	Second, the lan adpater part of things may not be especially strong
>to begin with, and when it's not serviced often packets overwhelm it and it
>wedges. If there is an IRQ conflict (lan adapter sitting on IRQ 3 along with
>serial port COM2, for example) then the adapter can be squashed by the
>competing hardware and/or Window's drivers.
>	The option to "fix task in memory" is needed if you are not using
>winpkt with a Packet Driver. Go get mine, the two argument variety, from
>netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers, file winpkt.zip, and give it a try. I don't fix 
>tasks in memory (absent minded Professor).
>	Joe D.

Hi Joe:

Many thanks for your quick & thorough reply(ies) to my question(s).  I'm
posting this in the hopes that it may be of interest to others.

I have not tried your 2-argument packet driver yet (I will this morning).
I'll report back on the results.

Meanwhile, I had a chance to repeat the experiment.....running Kermit under
MS-Windows, but using Lan WorkPlace's TELAPI in lieu of the 3c5x9pd/winpkt
combination.  I started it on Saturday afternoon and minimized it along
with a bunch of other Windows tasks.  When I came in, I remaximized it
and it was still logged into the UNIX system fine.  So to me, this suggests
that you are on target about the packet driver or thereabouts.

Once again, thanks!

M. Baker
AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel
mrbaker  @  hodcs.att.com


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Where can I ftp mskermit?
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In article <ncostes.1.001658FF@eng.clemson.edu>, ncostes@eng.clemson.edu (Nicolae P. Costescu) writes:
> Would someone please direct me to where I can ftp mskermit? Also, does
> mskermit support large blocks (eg 1024 bytes)? This is the best way I've found
> for speeding kermit file transfers. Linux and other unix kermits have no
> problem w/this, but all kermit implementations I've tried for dos/windows
> use 90 byte blocks. I obviously haven't tried mskermit, and am hoping it'll
> do big blocks.
--------------
	You've come to the right place.
	Ftp to kermit.columbia.edu for all Columbia Kermits. The release
level MSK is v3.13 and it's in both kermit/bin (binary archive msvibm.zip)
and the full sources + docs in kermit/a. Beta-15 of MSK v3.14 (pretty solid
and almost ready for release) is in kermit/test/bin, archive file mstibm.zip.
	MS-DOS Kermit does it all, and usually a good deal better than the
non-Columbia editions. Long packets? Of course, 9KB, and up to 32 window
slots of them if you have the memory (though that's really gross overkill).
Sliding Windows? Definitely, 32 slots, not a mere 2 or 4. Unprefix control
codes IF your link tolerates it and you are willing to risk it? You bet.
	Time to go raid&plunder.
	Joe D.

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From: manutter@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mark Nutter)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Help!  Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run
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I am providing Macintosh support for a fair-sized university (14,000 
students), and am trying to get people set up with a good, free terminal 
program.  All our DOS people are using the DOS version of C-Kermit, with a 
comprehensive set of macros written by our own Systems group, and it works 
quite well.

The Mac version, however, is a different story.  I had (189) running long 
enough to set up and test some basic log-in macros, but now suddenly I can 
no longer get either (189) or (190) to run (keeps crashing in an area that 
Macsbug identifies as "mberto+xxxx", where xxxx is some fairly large hex 
number).  Thinking that maybe this problem is local to my machine, I have 
given a number of people copies of (190), but now they are reporting that it 
crashes on their machine also.  Lots of PowerMac crashes, but I'm on a 
Quadra 660AV running System 7.1.

Is anyone else out there having problems like this with Mac Kermit?  Is 
anyone *NOT* having problems like this with Mac Kermit?  I'd like to compare 
notes with somebody before I file a formal bug report.  Or is there some 
known problems running Mac Kermit under System 7.1 and later?

Thanks.

Mark Nutter
Tech Support at Indiana Univ. of PA
manutter@grove.iup.edu


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From: degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu (Brian Degregorio)
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Subject: Help adding zmodem to MSKermit.
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I'm trying to add gsz to kermit running on a direct connection (null modem), 
but when I try to recieve something gsz doesn't accept the null modem signal.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

					Thanks in advance,
					Brian Degregorio
					

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From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw)
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I'm going to post this to comp.terminals for maximum annoyance potential:

Hello,
	Here I am trying to figure out how to write my termcap entry and
my terminal setup stuff for msdos kermit which I use to dial in to my
SunOS 4.1.3 shell account. I have a few questions. First, I'm not sure
that I am clear about how the dialogue takes place between kermit's
vt320 emulation, and my shell. My using msdos kermit book describes
terminal character sets:

C0 being 7 bit "ASCII" control characters, e.g. ^N, ^O, ^J etc.
C1 being 8 bit ISO-6249 control characters, e.g. \E[, \EH, etc.
G0 being a 94 character character set
G1 being a 94 (or 96?) character character set
G2 being a 94 or 96 character character set
G3 " 

And then there's GL and GR (Graphics Left and Right)

GL holds the selected character set for C0 from G0-3
GR holds the selected character set for C1 from G0-3

Actually it says GL indicates which set to use if a 7 bit graphic
character arrives, and GR for an 8 bit character.

A DECSCL (ESC[ Pl;Pc"p, or CSI Pl;Pc"p) can select the use of 8 or 7
bit controls.

Single shifts SS2 and SS3 (or ESC N and ESC O) shift a character set
into GL from G2 and G3 respectively for the following character.

Locking shifts ESC n and ESC o do the same until disabled.

Locking shifts ^N and ^O do the same from G1 and G0.

And locking shifts right 3, 2, and 1 (ESC |, ESC }, and ESC ~) modify
GR. 

SCS (various sequences) can be used to designate an identifed
character set to a umm character set e.g. ISO Latin-1 into G2.

The character set identifiers listed include those for various
languages, and some line drawing sets.

And kermit has a command SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT which
displays all 8 bit characters.

And then in my termcap manual there is a parameter ac in which to
specify pairs of characters to translate for line drawing. I assume
this is the same as for the terminfo parameter acsc, where various
"glyphs" are defined. So for example an upper left hand corner box
character is refered to by the letter l, so you put l with your
tranlation immediately after, all in a row.

There are also enacs and smacs (eA and 'as' in termcap), for
"enabling" and "starting" an alternate character set.

First of all, I am not sure what symbols the following glyphs refer
to: 

lantern symbol
board of squares
scan line 1, scan line 9, and horizontal line (top bottom and middle?)

Then, I'm confused. If I dial in with an 8 bit line, I can stick to 8
bit controls (as far as what I put in my termcap)? Can I put 8 bit
control sequences into my termcap files? And in the alternate
character set capabilites am I to put literally the graphic character
from the appropriate character set in the string? Ascii 4 is a diamond
shaped character (7 bits), where as the solid box character is 219 (8 bits)
in code page 850 and others. If there's only one capability string for
enabling an alternate character set does this mean that I can only
choose wether I want bullets and diamonds, or line drawing characters?

Also, the strings I put in the termcap are to tell the host what
strings to send, or are they what strings to expect? I guess they have
to be what to send, but does that mean that I can't send an escape
sequence, or is my typing an escape sequence only a dialogue between
my keyboard and my terminal emulator? I don't have clear categories in
my head.

And last, there's a capability string al1 (al in termcap), to add a
line below the current line, with scrolling. I don't see this in the
kermit manual if it is something other than CR. Does anyone know
differently?

thanks



-- 

Kendall Shaw                        "Grease 'n Seasonings!"
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kshaw@shell.portal.com              
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From: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin)
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I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but what is the difference
between Mac Kermit 0.991 (190) and C-Kermit 0.99 (190)? For me,
the only difference is that I cannot make 0.991 run by clicking on
it's saved settings file. :^(

-- 
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Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.

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In article <3chq4g$7bm@news.cais.com>, Duffy Men <duffy@cais2.cais.com> wrote:
>I has a Hayes optima 288 modem connect to my IBM RS6000 AIX 3.2.5 
>computer.  I setup my modem &D0 to ignore  DTR when exit (don't hnagup).  
>In kermit, I have no problem to dial-out, if I exit from kermit.  My 
>modem get hangup, that what I don't want (because I want use SLIP line).  
>CAn anyone tell me how to do it?  Thank you.
>
&D0 should indeed make the modem ignore DTR.  Maybe you also have to make
the modem ignore other signals too.

Maybe the line is "bidirectional", in which case some kind of getty or
init or login process takes it over when Kermit closes it, and maybe this
other process is hanging it up?

You can, by the way, suspend C-Kermit rather than exiting from it.  This
will leave the connection open for other processes to use, as long as they
aren't bothered by C-Kermit's lockfile.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: send-init packet
Date: 19 Dec 1994 22:58:21 GMT
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In article <DCbykuqcZtZH075yn@primenet.com>,
Jeff Bishop <jbishop@primenet.com> wrote:
>How does kermit no that the send-init packet is coming and what special
>sequence starts it. I am wanting to use this string to stick in a term
>program to call kerlite for automatic downloads. This allows me to not have
>to rely on t he other end sending apc commands to my machine.
>
If you look at the Kermit protocol specification, you can see that
the initial Kermit packet can contain almost any sequence of characters.
There is no way a terminal emulator can be expected to recognize a Kermit
packet.  You could say that Kermit packets start with Ctrl-A, but (a) they
do not necessarily start with Ctrl-A, and (b) Ctrl-A (or any other control
character) might be meaningful to the terminal emulator.  The only reliable
way to get a terminal emulator to switch into file transfer mode is to send
it an escape sequence that is meaningful to it, which is exactly what APC
is for.  

- Frank

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From: jsr@dexter.mi.org (Jay S. Rouman)
Subject: Re: Help!  Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run
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In article <AB1B18AE@mozart.cc.iup.edu>,
Mark Nutter <manutter@mozart.cc.iup.edu> wrote:
>Is anyone else out there having problems like this with Mac Kermit?  Is 
>anyone *NOT* having problems like this with Mac Kermit?  I'd like to compare 

We have quite a few copies of Mac Kermit 189 running on SLC's and
Powerbooks being operated by fairly novice users and I have not gotten
any reports of crashes.  According to Frank's notes, the state of the
Mac version of C-Kermit is far from what he would like, but I have
found it to be quite usable.
-- 
Jay Rouman  (jsr@dexter.mi.org  jsr@umcc.umich.edu  NIC Handle: JSR)

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From: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help!  Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run
Date: 20 Dec 1994 06:57:09 GMT
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Well, for me the problem with Mac Kermit 0.991(190) as opposed to
0.99(190) is simple (and I've posted it here several days ago): I
can create a settings file, but I cannot run 0.991 by clicking on
it. :^)

-- 
Eugene Tyurin, Inst. for Theoretical Physics  -  Stony Brook Univ.
            WWW: http://www.physics.sunysb.edu:80/~gene/plan.html
       Internet: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu
Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 beta-15 command-line editing bug
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In article <lewart.787431308@rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu>, d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes:
> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> 
>>  . Fixed BIOS Int 14 redirection, which was broken a couple edits back.
> 
> Thanks!  Just like Int 14 redirection, the following bug really does occur.
> Typing any of the following four couplets at the MS-Kermit command line
> will generate an unexpected CRLF the second time:
> 	set duplex f<Esc><Enter>
> 	set duplex f<Esc>
> 
> 	set duplex f<Esc><Enter>
> 	set duplex h<Esc>
> 
> 	set duplex h<Esc><Enter>
> 	set duplex f<Esc>
> 
> 	set duplex h<Esc><Enter>
> 	set duplex h<Esc>
> where <Esc> means the Escape key and <Enter> means the Enter key.  Really.
---------
	Yup. Fixed now (post beta-15) here.
	Thanks,
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Stripping ANSI escape sequence from log, how?
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In article <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org>, frank@news.wadsworth.org (Franklin Hsia) writes:
> Working with MS-KERMIT and logging a VT220 session to a file.
> 
> Problem:  The file contains ANSI escape sequences which are extraneous for
> my purposes.  I would like to only deal with the text portion.
> 
> Is there a utility out there that can strip away the ANSI stuff?  Or is there
> a setting in KERMIT I can set to?
-----------
	The next time "print to disk" and use the controller print option.
This means SET PRINTER filename, and rather than LOG SESSION press 
Control-Printscreen keys to start logging this way. Only completed lines
are logged, not how the lines are put together with cursor commands etc.
Control-Printscreen is a toggle, the ON state shows as "PRN" on the status
line.
	Joe D. 

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From: jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant)
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Erik Hatcher (esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU) wrote:

: ...
: And have a macro to send a file like this...

:         send \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) \%a

Try this:
          asg \%f \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL)
          send \%f \%a

There are smoe command which don't like to parse the long type variable
names in C-Kermit 5A.  (At least, there used to be...)

JamesS



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From: rjmaley@mcs.com (Ryan J. Maley)
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Hi,

I've written a Kermit script that sends text to an alphanumeric pager. It 
works great, but I can't seem to run C-Kermit in batch mode. Every time I 
launch Kermit (with or without my script) in a batch program, my batch aborts 
and I get an error %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! The batch program work 
perfectly in interactive mode.

I don't see a command line switch for batch operation. Basically, I'm stuck. 
I'm using C-Ckermit 5A(190) (I've also experienced this under 189) and VMS for 
AXP 6.1.

Any suggestions?

-
Ryan J. Maley
rjmaley@mcs.com

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From: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com
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In article <rjmaley.41.0060FF08@mcs.com>, rjmaley@mcs.com (Ryan J. Maley)
writes:
>Hi,
>
>I've written a Kermit script that sends text to an alphanumeric pager. It 
>works great, but I can't seem to run C-Kermit in batch mode. Every time I 
>launch Kermit (with or without my script) in a batch program, my batch aborts 
>and I get an error %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! The batch program work 
>perfectly in interactive mode.
>
>I don't see a command line switch for batch operation. Basically, I'm stuck. 
>I'm using C-Ckermit 5A(190) (I've also experienced this under 189) and VMS for 
>AXP 6.1.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>-
>Ryan J. Maley
>rjmaley@mcs.com

Try this command in your DCL program just before the run Kermit command:

$ define/user_mode sys$input sys$command


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From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: OS/2 Ckermit, Ctrl-C and command-line arguments
Date: 21 Dec 1994 04:57:27 GMT
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>It seems that with the new version of OS/2 CKermit (190), almost anytime I
>type Ctrl-C the entire program terminates. I don't think I ever had
>this happen in the old version. For example, if I start CKermit from
>the Presentation Manager and type Ctrl-C at the CKermit prompt, the
>program promptly exits. Is this _supposed_ to happen? 
>
>  Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg    adam@math.uiuc.edu

I am fairly sure this happens because now I start ckermit with a
command line argument, namely "-y modem.ini" which loads a different
initialization file than the default. (Previously I used no command
line arguments.) I can understand that a Ctrl-C should terminate
kermit when it is started as a server, but to arbitrarily terminate
just because one uses a command-line argument seems overly rigid. 
           Adam Lewenberg   adam@math.uiuc.edu
-- 
University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics
INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu   or    a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <3d8cjn$p42@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
Adam H. Lewenberg <adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu> wrote:

>I am fairly sure this happens because now I start ckermit with a
>command line argument, namely "-y modem.ini" which loads a different
>initialization file than the default. (Previously I used no command
>line arguments.) I can understand that a Ctrl-C should terminate
>kermit when it is started as a server, but to arbitrarily terminate
>just because one uses a command-line argument seems overly rigid. 
>           Adam Lewenberg   adam@math.uiuc.edu
>-- 

Adam:

I just tried this.  I copied my ckermod.ini file to a new name and then 
started ckermit with a -y parameter listing the new ini file.

Then typed ^C repeatedly.  Nothing happened.

the only place in the code where there is a problem handling ^C is
in the dial command.  If the dial command is interrupted with a ^C
from that point forward there can be problems.  (I'm working on it.)

Would you mind contacting me directly about this so that we can get
to the bottom of it quickly?  Net-news is so slow.

Send me a copy of your modem.ini file so that I can try to replicate 
the problem.


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip 

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From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse)
Subject: Re: kermit on a apple][+
Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands
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In <D0xGJM.MuE@freenet.carleton.ca> Simon C.Hall writes:

> anyone use kermit on an apple][+?
> I'm looking for a new term pgm,let me know what you think of it.

Until I retired my Apple II systems two years ago, I used the Apple-II
version of Kermit as terminal emulator on them. Good vt100 emulation,
acceptable speed (about 6000bps) and a very stable binary (especially
the ProDOS version). The Apple-II kermit distribution also containes
a Unix 6502 cross-assembler, which I used quite a lot. I believe the
most current release is 3.87.

-- 
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                                              |
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From: gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Giovanni Ciampa)
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Subject: DEC LAT multisession capabilities?
Date: 21 Dec 1994 09:39:33 GMT
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Subject sums it up really...

Is this currently possible with (MS-DOS) Kermit or if not, does
anyone know if it is likely to become a part of the package?

	Gio

