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From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: a friend having a problem
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 07:15:15 -0700
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Hello,

                        MS-Kermit Trouble Report

Date:  December 21, 1994
From:  cboldt@execpc.com

Description:  Computer locks up solid if "set receive packet-length 2000"
              is a parameter when calling Kermit from a {Commo} macro.

Harware:      See msd report
Software:     MS-DOS Version 5.00
              Desqview 2.4
              kermit.exe  3.14
                228936    11-21-94  16:06    KERMIT.EXE
                103994    11-21-94  16:06    KERLITE.EXE

Details:      {Commo} is a telecommunications terminal that provides
              a way to execute external protocols.  Commo ver 6.41

              This is done with a macro command called {EXECute }

{exec kermit.exe set file type binary, set port com1, cd d:\co\dl, receive}

              The example command line works fine.

              However, if the set receive packet-length parameter is
              specified from this context, the result is a locked
              machine with the line "Bad Command or File" on line 1.
              A cold boot is required to reset.
  
What's been tried:   Varying the position of the "set receive" parm
                     This results in a lock-up

                     Attempt with kerlite.exe
                     Results in a lock-up

                     Use the "-s" parm in {Commo}'s {exec } command.
                     This swaps Commo out of RAM to make more room
                     for other programs.  Locks-up.

                     set receive packet-length 2000 in mskermit.ini
                     This works and is in use

                     Setting receive packet-length from Kermit>
                     prompt also works, no trouble at all.


       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page  1
    ========================================================================

    -------------------- --- Customer Information

                                 Name: Chuck Seyboldt

    ------------------- ---- Summary Information

                      Computer: American Megatrend, 486DX
                        Memory: 621K, 7424K Ext, 7136K EMS, 736K XMS
                         Video: VGA, Video Seven, V-RAM
                       Network: No Network
                    OS Version: MS-DOS Version 5.00
                         Mouse: Logitech Serial Mouse
                Other Adapters:
                   Disk Drives: A: B: C: D: E: F: G: H:
                     LPT Ports: 1
                     COM Ports: 2
           Windows Information: 3.10, Not Active

    -------- --------------------- Computer

                        Computer Name: American Megatrends
                    BIOS Manufacturer: American Megatrends
                         BIOS Version: RDV 1.20
                        BIOS Category: IBM PC/AT
                        BIOS ID Bytes: FC 01 00
                            BIOS Date: 07/07/91
                            Processor: 486DX
                     Math Coprocessor: Internal
                             Keyboard: Enhanced
                             Bus Type: ISA/AT/Classic Bus
                       DMA Controller: Yes
                        Cascaded IRQ2: Yes
                    BIOS Data Segment: None


       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page  2
    ========================================================================

    ------ ------------------------ Memory

     Legend:  Available "  "  RAM "##"  ROM "RR"  Possibly Available ".."
       EMS Page Frame "PP"  Used UMBs "UU"  Free UMBs "FF"
     1024K FC00 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR FFFF  Conventional Memory
           F800 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR FBFF                 Total: 621K
           F400 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR F7FF             Available: 443K
      960K F000 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR F3FF                        454352 bytes
           EC00 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP EFFF
           E800 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP EBFF  Extended Memory
           E400 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP E7FF                 Total: 7424K
      896K E000 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP E3FF
           DC00 ################ DFFF  Expanded Memory (EMS)
           D800 ################ DBFF           LIM Version: 4.00
           D400 ################ D7FF    Page Frame Address: E000H
      832K D000 ################ D3FF                 Total: 7136K
           CC00 ################ CFFF             Available: 736K
           C800 ################ CBFF
           C400 RRRRRRRR........ C7FF  XMS Information
      768K C000 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR C3FF           XMS Version: 3.00
           BC00 ################ BFFF        Driver Version: 6.00
           B800 ################ BBFF      A20 Address Line: Enabled
           B400                  B7FF      High Memory Area: In use
      704K B000                  B3FF             Available: 736K
           AC00                  AFFF    Largest Free Block: 736K
           A800                  ABFF        Available SXMS: 736K
           A400                  A7FF     Largest Free SXMS: 736K
      640K A000                  A3FF
                                       VCPI Information
                                              VCPI Detected: Yes
                                                    Version: 1.00
                                           Available Memory: 748K

    ----- ------------------------- Video

              Video Adapter Type: VGA
                    Manufacturer: Video Seven
                           Model: V-RAM
                    Display Type: VGA Color
                      Video Mode: 3
               Number of Columns: 80
                  Number of Rows: 25
              Video BIOS Version: Video Seven BIOS Code, Version 1.10
                 Video BIOS Date: 01/24/89
          VESA Support Installed: No
               Secondary Adapter: None

    ------- ---------------------- Network

                             Network Detected: No


       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page  3
    ========================================================================

    ---------- ------------------ OS Version

                       Operating System: MS-DOS 5.00
                      Internal Revision: 00
                      OEM Serial Number: FFH
                     User Serial Number: 000000H
                     OEM Version String: MS-DOS Version 5.00
                         DOS Located in: HMA
                             Boot Drive: C:
                        TopView Version: 1.10
                        Path to Program: D:\CO\dl\MSD.EXE
         
                              Environment Strings
         -------------------------------------------------------------
         TEMP=h:\scratch
         DSZLOG=d:\co\sav\commo.log
         FF=cdefh
         COMSPEC=i:\command.com
         EXTRA2=second_long_variable_to_sacrifice_if_required_later_on
         PATH=I:\;D:\UUPC\BIN;..;C:\UTIL;C:\DOS;C:\;G:\DV
         MJOG=FILE:d:\co\sav\calendar
         PROMPT=$e[1;31m[CO]$e[0m $p$g

    ----- ------------------------- Mouse

                         Mouse Hardware: Logitech Serial Mouse
                    Driver Manufacturer: No Mouse Driver

    -------------- ------------ Other Adapters

                          Game Adapter: Not Detected


       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page  4
    ========================================================================

    ----------- ---------------- Disk Drives

      Drive  Type                                  Free Space  Total Size
      -----  ------------------------------------  ----------  ----------
        A:   Floppy Drive, 5.25" 1.2M
               80 Cylinders, 2 Heads
               512 Bytes/Sector, 15 Sectors/Track
        B:   Floppy Drive, 3.5" 1.44M
               80 Cylinders, 2 Heads
               512 Bytes/Sector, 18 Sectors/Track
        C:   Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 47                    276K       5140K
               37 Cylinders, 8 Heads
               512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track
             CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters
               872 Cylinders, 8 Heads
               35 Sectors/Track
        D:   Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0                     506K         20M
               147 Cylinders, 8 Heads
               512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track
             CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters
               306 Cylinders, 4 Heads
               17 Sectors/Track
        E:   Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0                      15M         29M
               220 Cylinders, 8 Heads
               512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track
             CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters
               306 Cylinders, 4 Heads
               17 Sectors/Track
        F:   Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0                      15M         20M
               147 Cylinders, 8 Heads
               512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track
             CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters
               306 Cylinders, 4 Heads
               17 Sectors/Track
        G:   Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0                    1030K         20M
               147 Cylinders, 8 Heads
               512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track
             CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters
               306 Cylinders, 4 Heads
               17 Sectors/Track
        H:   Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0                    5352K         23M
               173 Cylinders, 8 Heads
               512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track
             CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters
               306 Cylinders, 4 Heads
               17 Sectors/Track
        I:   RAM Disk                                   1313K       1529K
               512 Bytes/Sector
        J:   CD-ROM Drive
      MSCDEX Version 2.21 Installed
      LASTDRIVE=J:


       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page  5
    ========================================================================

    --------- ------------------- LPT Ports

                  Port     On     Paper    I/O    Time
         Port   Address   Line     Out    Error    Out    Busy     ACK
         -----  -------   ----    -----   -----   ----    ----     ---
         LPT1:   0378H     Yes     Yes     No      No      Yes     No
         LPT2:     -        -       -       -       -       -       -
         LPT3:     -        -       -       -       -       -       -

    --------- ------------------- COM Ports

                                  COM1:      COM2:      COM3:      COM4:
                                  -----      -----      -----      -----
       Port Address               03F8H      02F8H        N/A        N/A
       Baud Rate                  19200       1200
       Parity                      None       None
       Data Bits                      8          8
       Stop Bits                      1          1
       Carrier Detect (CD)           No         No
       Ring Indicator (RI)           No         No
       Data Set Ready (DSR)         Yes        Yes
       Clear To Send (CTS)          Yes        Yes
       UART Chip Used              8250       8250

    ------------------- ---- Windows Information

                      Windows version: 3.10
                         Windows mode: Not Active
                    Windows Directory: G:\WIN31
                     System Directory: G:\WIN31\SYSTEM
        
          Filename                          Size         Date     Time
        ----------------------------  ---------------  --------  -----
        VPASD.386                          18784        5/05/92  14:31
        MSCVMD.386                          9327        3/10/92   3:10
        LANMAN10.386                        8786        3/10/92   3:10
        V7VDD.386                          40385        3/10/92   3:10
        VTDAPI.386                          5245        3/10/92   3:10


       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page  6
    ========================================================================

    ---------- ------------------ IRQ Status

    IRQ  Address    Description       Detected            Handled By
    ---  ---------  ----------------  ------------------  ----------------
      0  0861:F437  Timer Click       Yes                 XDV.COM
      1  0861:7114  Keyboard          Yes                 XDV.COM
      2  F000:EA97  Second 8259A      Yes                 BIOS
      3  F000:EA97  COM2: COM4:       COM2:               BIOS
      4  2A06:1427  COM1: COM3:       COM1:               COMMO.EXE
      5  F000:EA97  LPT2:             No                  BIOS
      6  F000:EF57  Floppy Disk       Yes                 BIOS
      7  0070:06F4  LPT1:             Yes                 System Area
      8  F000:EA42  Real-Time Clock   Yes                 BIOS
      9  F000:EECF  Redirected IRQ2   Yes                 BIOS
     10  F000:EA97  (Reserved)                            BIOS
     11  F000:EA97  (Reserved)                            BIOS
     12  F000:EA97  (Reserved)                            BIOS
     13  F000:EED8  Math Coprocessor  Yes                 BIOS
     14  F000:E845  Fixed Disk        Yes                 BIOS
     15  F000:FF53  (Reserved)                            BIOS


       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page  7
    ========================================================================

    ------------ --------------- TSR Programs

     Program Name        Address   Size   Command Line Parameters
     ------------------  -------  ------  --------------------------------
     System Data           027C    20368
       QEMM386             027E     3072  EMMXXXX0
       LOADHI              033F      304  Block Device
       LOADHI              0353      256  SMARTAAR
       LOADHI              0364      256  CDROM
       MVSOUND             0375     9136  MVPROAS
       File Handles        05B1     5552
       FCBS                070D      256
       BUFFERS             071E      512
       Directories         073F      880
     System Code           0776       64
     COMMAND.COM           077B     2368   /hw:0e:L
     COMMAND.COM           0810       64   /hw:0e:L
     COMMAND.COM           0815      256   /hw:0e:L
     XDV.COM               0826      272   /hw:0e:L
     XDV.COM               0838      592   /hw:0e:L
     XDV.COM               085E   120752   /hw:0e:L
     ???                   25DA      304   /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm
     COMMAND.COM           25EE     2368   /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm
     ???                   2683      272   /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm
     ???                   2695       80   /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm
     CED.COM               269B      288   -b512,128,2048,128,128,128 -fg
     DNANSI                26AE     1744
     CED.COM               271C    11360   -b512,128,2048,128,128,128 -fg
     COMMO.EXE             29E3      272   /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm
     COMMO.EXE             29F5     6432   /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm
     ???                   2B88      272
     COMMAND.COM           2B9A     2368
     ???                   2C2F      256
     MSD.EXE               2C40      272
     MSD.EXE               2C52   345120
     MSD.EXE               8095     8192
     MSD.EXE               8296    10032
     MSD.EXE               850A     4048
     Free Memory           8608    87568


       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page  8
    ========================================================================

    -------------- ------------ Device Drivers

          Device        Filename  Units    Header      Attributes
          ------------  --------  -----  ---------  ----------------
          NUL                            0135:0048  1............1..
          MVPROAS       MVSOUND          0375:0000  1...............
          CDROM         LOADHI           0364:0000  11..1...........
          SMARTAAR      LOADHI           0353:0000  11..1...........
          Block Device  LOADHI      1    033F:0000  ....1...........
          QEMM386$                       027E:003F  11..............
          EMMXXXX0      QEMM386          027E:0000  11..............
          CON                            0070:0023  1..........1..11
          AUX                            0070:0035  1...............
          PRN                            0070:0047  1.1.....11......
          CLOCK$                         0070:0059  1...........1...
          Block Device              8    0070:006B  ....1...11....1.
          COM1                           0070:007B  1...............
          LPT1                           0070:008D  1.1.....11......
          LPT2                           0070:009F  1.1.....11......
          LPT3                           0070:00B8  1.1.....11......
          COM2                           0070:00CA  1...............
          COM3                           0070:00DC  1...............
          COM4                           0070:00EE  1...............

    ---------------- ROM BIOS              F000    65536

    F000:CE59 System Configuration (C) Copyright 1985-1991, American Megatre
              nds Inc.,
    F000:0000 0123AAAAMMMMIIII07/07/91(C)1990 American Megatrends Inc., All
              Rights Reserved
    F000:0050 (C)1990 American Megatrends Inc.,
    F000:0100 ROM BIOS (C)1990 American Megatrends Inc.,
    F000:8000 XXXX88886666----0123AAAAMMMMIIII Date:-07/07/91 (C)1985-1991,
              American Megatrends Inc. All Rights Reserved.
    F000:E0CA R(C)1985-1991,American Megatrends Inc.,All Rights Reserved.,13
              46 Oakbrook Dr.,#120,GA-30093,USA.(404)-263-8181.
    F000:6CC0 :DLTdD
    F000:E00E IBM COMPATIBLE IBM IS A TRADEMARK OF INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MA
              CHINES CORP.
    F000:160E If BIOS shadow RAM is disabled,
    F000:2220 AUTO CONFIGURATION WITH BIOS DEFAULTS
    F000:2396 Load BIOS Setup Default Values for Advanced CMOS and Advanced
              CHIPSET Setup
    F000:24ED !AMI BIOS SETUP UTILITIES
    F000:2633 (ii)  Load BIOS Setup Defaults
    F000:26A0 BIOS SETUP PROGRAM -
    F000:26F8 F5:Old Values  F6:BIOS Setup Defaults   F7:Power-On Defaults
    F000:423D Load BIOS Setup Default Values from ROM Table (Y/N) ?
    F000:CF70 ROM-BIOS Date      :
    F000:FF59 (C)1990AMI,404-263-8181


       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page  9
    ========================================================================

    ---------------- Video ROM BIOS        C000    24576

      C000:002A Video Seven BIOS Code, Version 1.10
      C000:00A2 (C) Copyright 1987 Video Seven Inc., All Rights Reserved.

    --------------- ---------- C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT

    @echo off
    ctty nul
    ::cd \dos
    ::g:\dv\loadhi /r:1 ced -b1024,128,2048,128,128,128 -fsynon.fil
    ::mouse /C2/E
    ::loadhi setver.exe
    ::loadhi xeq colon

    ::g:\dv\loadhi c:\dos\mouse1 /2

    cd \util
    g:\dv\loadhi /r:2 pr256.exe
    g:\dv\loadhi /r:1 stackey
    ::stackey

    g:\dv\loadhi /r:1 c:\cd-rom\mscdex /d:CDROM /m:8 /e /l:j
    ::\cd-rom\mscdex /d:cdrom /m:8 /e

    md i:\hold
    copy \command.com i:\
    for %%x in (q.exe l.com \dc.*) do copy %%x i:
    ctty con
    set temp=h:\scratch
    set dszlog=d:\co\sav\commo.log
    set ff=cdefh
    set comspec=i:\command.com
    set extra=one_long_variable_to_sacrifice_if_required_later_on
    set extra2=second_long_variable_to_sacrifice_if_required_later_on
    prompt $p$g
    cls

    path i:\;d:\uupc\bin;..;c:\util;c:\dos;c:\
    ::path ..;c:\util;c:\dos;c:\

    ask&wait "Spacebar for DV or wait $s seconds" ! 10 [
    if errorlevel 37 goto dv
    goto end

    :dv
    g:
    cd \dv
    xdv /hw:0e:L

    ::Setting                       Default     Allowable               Swit
    ches
    ::
    ::Mouse Type                    none        SerialPort1,2,3,4       /Cn

       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 10
    ========================================================================
    ::                                          PS/2                    /Z
    ::                                          InPort1,2,3,4           /In
    ::                                          Bus                     /B
    ::                                          MSX                     /X
    ::
    ::Language                      English     English                 /L
    ::                                          German                  /LD
    ::                                          Spanish                 /LE
    ::                                          French                  /LF
    ::                                          Italian                 /LI
    ::                                          Dutch                   /LNL

    ::                                          Portuguese              /LP
    ::                                          Swedish                 /LS
    ::                                          Finnish                 /LSF

    ::
    ::Memory
    :: Low Memory                   LowMem      LowMem                  -
    :: High Memory                              HiMem                   /U
    :: Extended Memory                          EMM                     /E
    ::
    ::Interrupt Rate                1           0,1,2,3,4               /Rn
    ::
    ::Sensitivity
    :: Horizontal Only              50          5-100                   /Hn
    :: Vertical Only                50          5-100                   /Vn
    :: Horizontal & Vertical        50          5-100                   /Vn
    ::
    ::Active Acceleration Profile   2           1,2,3,4                 /Pn
    ::
    ::Cursor Display
    :: CursorDisplayDelay           0           0-10                    /Nn
    :: ForceDefaultCursor           off         on/off                  /M
    ::
    ::Hardware Cursor Support       true        true/false              /Y
    ::
    ::Button Selection
    :: Primary                      1           1,2,3,4                 /KPn
    Sm
    :: Secondary                    3           1,2,3,4                 /KPn
    Sm
    ::set mouse=C:\DOS
    ::C:\DOS\mouse/c2/u/y

    :end

    ------------- ------------- C:\CONFIG.SYS

    DEVICE=g:\dv\QEMM386.SYS RAM X=B000-BFFF DMA=32
    dos=high

    rem DEVICE=c:\dos\ramdrive.sys 1536 /a
    DEVICE=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:2 c:\dos\ramdrive.sys 1536 /a


       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 11
    ========================================================================
    rem DEVICE=c:\dos\smartdrv.sys 1920
    DEVICE=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\dos\smartdrv.sys 1920

    lastdrive=j

    rem DEVICE=c:\cd-rom\chinon03.sys /D:cdrom /N:1 /A:300
    rem DEVICE=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\chinon03.sys /D:cdrom /N:1 /A
    :300

    rem device=c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:CDROM /R
    device=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:CDROM /R
    rem device=c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:CDROM /L:j /N:1 /E
    rem device=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:cdrom /L:j /N:1
     /E

    device=c:\cd-rom\mvsound.sys D:3 Q:7
    rem device=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\mvsound.sys D:3 Q:5

    files=99
    buffers=15
    STACKS=0,0

    ------------------- ---- G:\WIN31\SYSTEM.INI

    [boot]           
    mouse.drv=mscmouse.drv
    shell=progman.exe
    network.drv=
    language.dll=
    sound.drv=mmsound.drv
    comm.drv=comm.drv
    keyboard.drv=keyboard.drv
    system.drv=system.drv
    386grabber=V7VGA.3GR
    oemfonts.fon=vgaoem.fon
    286grabber=VGACOLOR.2GR
    fixedfon.fon=vgafix.fon
    fonts.fon=vgasys.fon
    display.drv=V7VGA.DRV
    drivers=mmsystem.dll
    SCRNSAVE.EXE=G:\WIN31\SSMYST.SCR

    [keyboard]
    subtype=
    type=4
    keyboard.dll=
    oemansi.bin=

    [boot.description]
    mouse.drv=Mouse Systems serial or bus mouse
    keyboard.typ=Enhanced 101 or 102 key US and Non US keyboards
    network.drv=No Network Installed
    language.dll=English (American)
    system.drv=MS-DOS System
    codepage=437

       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 12
    ========================================================================
    woafont.fon=English (437)
    aspect=100,96,96
    display.drv=Video 7 512K, 720x512 256 colors

    [386Enh]
    device=vpasd.386
    SystemROMBreakPoint=false
    mouse=mscvmd.386
    32BitDiskAccess=on
    device=*int13
    device=*wdctrl
    device=lanman10.386
    network=*dosnet,*vnetbios
    ebios=*ebios
    woafont=dosapp.fon
    display=V7VDD.386
    EGA80WOA.FON=EGA80WOA.FON
    EGA40WOA.FON=EGA40WOA.FON
    CGA80WOA.FON=CGA80WOA.FON
    CGA40WOA.FON=CGA40WOA.FON
    keyboard=*vkd
    device=vtdapi.386
    device=*vpicd
    device=*vtd
    device=*reboot
    device=*vdmad
    device=*vsd
    device=*v86mmgr
    device=*pageswap
    device=*dosmgr
    device=*vmpoll
    device=*wshell
    device=*BLOCKDEV
    device=*PAGEFILE
    device=*vfd
    device=*parity
    device=*biosxlat
    device=*vcd
    device=*vmcpd
    device=*combuff
    device=*cdpscsi
    local=CON
    FileSysChange=off
    PagingFile=G:\WIN386.SWP
    MaxPagingFileSize=2998
    MinTimeslice=20
    WinTimeslice=100,50
    WinExclusive=0
    Com1AutoAssign=2
    Com2AutoAssign=2

    [standard]

    [NonWindowsApp]
    localtsrs=dosedit,ced

       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 13
    ========================================================================

    [mci]
    WaveAudio=mciwave.drv 4
    Sequencer=mciseq.drv
    Mixer=mcimixer.drv
    CDAudio=mcicda.drv

    [drivers]
    timer=timer.drv
    midimapper=midimap.drv
    MIDI=opl3.drv
    MIDI1=mvproaud.drv
    Wave=mvproaud.drv
    Aux=mvproaud.drv
    Mixer=mvmixer.drv

    [v7vga.drv]
    WidthXHeight=720x512
    FontSize=small

    [Multimedia.Setup]
    audio=mvproaud.drv,0,0,0

    [mvproaud.drv]
    dma=3
    irq=7

    [mciseq.drv]
    disablewarning=false

    ---------------- --------- G:\WIN31\WIN.INI

    [windows]
    spooler=yes
    load=
    run=
    Beep=yes
    NullPort=None
    BorderWidth=3
    CursorBlinkRate=710
    DoubleClickSpeed=493
    Programs=com exe bat pif
    Documents=
    DeviceNotSelectedTimeout=15
    TransmissionRetryTimeout=45
    KeyboardDelay=1
    KeyboardSpeed=26
    ScreenSaveActive=1
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       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 14
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    og
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    le.
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       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 15
    ========================================================================
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       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 16
    ========================================================================

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       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 17
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    [devices]
    Epson LQ-500=EPSON24,LPT1:

    [Hop]
    UsageCount=1

    [Media Vision Pocket Mixer]
    ;a=; Mixer patching support:
    ;b=;    Set <fixed|unfixed> mixer control to <input|output>, line <n>.
    ;c=; The profile entries are generated as comments (remove semi-colons t
    o use).
    ;Monitor=fixed,input,1
    ;Synthesizer=unfixed,input,0
    ;Microphone=unfixed,input,4
    ;PCMWave=unfixed,input,5
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    [Media Vision Device Specification]
    ;MixerDevice=Media Vision Mixer
    ;MixerDevMID=3
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    ;InputDevice=Media Vision Waveform Input
    ;InputDevMID=3
    ;InputDevPID=21
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    ;OutputDevMID=3

       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 18
    ========================================================================
    ;OutputDevPID=20

    [Media Vision Pocket Recorder]
    ;a=; Current user interface support allows for:
    ;b=;    one or two channels.
    ;c=;    variable sample rates between specified minimum and maximum.
    ;d=;    eight and/or sixteen bits per sample (commas between multiple va
    lues).
    ;e=;    file compaction by two and/or four (currently not supported).
    ;f=; Buffer Management:
    ;g=;    buffer size should be a power of two (default 32768).
    ;h=;    number of buffers for playback and record ahead (default 5, max 
    16).
    ;i=; Pitch/speed effect related parameters:
    ;j=;    shift fraction is the wave decimation size (default: 125th of a 
    second).
    ;k=;    fade divide is the shift portion to cross fade (default: 2, one 
    half).
    ;l=; The profile entries are generated as comments (remove semi-colons t
    o use).
    ;NumChannels=2
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    Bass= 50
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    [WinJack]
    Trial=2026

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    SystemHand=chord.wav,Critical Stop
    SystemDefault=ding.wav,Default Beep
    SystemExclamation=G:\WIN31\DING.WAV,Exclamation

       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 19
    ========================================================================
    SystemQuestion=chord.wav,Question
    SystemExit=G:\WIN31\CHIMES.WAV,Windows Exit
    SystemStart=tada.wav,Windows Start



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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: a friend having a problem
Message-Id: <1994Dec21.102006.35857@cc.usu.edu>
Date: 21 Dec 94 10:20:06 MDT
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In article <pX3-kuqcZBFF075yn@primenet.com>, jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes:
> Hello,
> 
>                         MS-Kermit Trouble Report
> 
> Date:  December 21, 1994
> From:  cboldt@execpc.com
> 
> Description:  Computer locks up solid if "set receive packet-length 2000"
>               is a parameter when calling Kermit from a {Commo} macro.
> 
> Harware:      See msd report
> Software:     MS-DOS Version 5.00
>               Desqview 2.4
>               kermit.exe  3.14
>                 228936    11-21-94  16:06    KERMIT.EXE
>                 103994    11-21-94  16:06    KERLITE.EXE
> 
> Details:      {Commo} is a telecommunications terminal that provides
>               a way to execute external protocols.  Commo ver 6.41
> 
>               This is done with a macro command called {EXECute }
> 
> {exec kermit.exe set file type binary, set port com1, cd d:\co\dl, receive}
> 
>               The example command line works fine.
> 
>               However, if the set receive packet-length parameter is
>               specified from this context, the result is a locked
>               machine with the line "Bad Command or File" on line 1.
>               A cold boot is required to reset.
>   
> What's been tried:   Varying the position of the "set receive" parm
>                      This results in a lock-up
> 
>                      Attempt with kerlite.exe
>                      Results in a lock-up
> 
>                      Use the "-s" parm in {Commo}'s {exec } command.
>                      This swaps Commo out of RAM to make more room
>                      for other programs.  Locks-up.
> 
>                      set receive packet-length 2000 in mskermit.ini
>                      This works and is in use
> 
>                      Setting receive packet-length from Kermit>
>                      prompt also works, no trouble at all.
	<lengthy MSD listings omitted>
---------------
	Those omitted details show that program COMMO is attached to the
serial port hardware. That will be fatal if Kermit also uses the same
hardware. Thus I recommend you try without COMMO. I've never encountered
COMMO so I won't guess about it.
	Also please do watch out for Smartdrive eating up cpu cycles like
crazy when it flushes to real disk.
        Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT)
Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:18:49 GMT
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In article <CHANG.94Dec16183135@theta.math.wsu.edu>,
Ching Mo Chang <chang@theta.math.wsu.edu> wrote:
>Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off?
>
>To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can
>use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in
>MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just
>got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on).
>
MS-DOS Kermit does not explicitly support Chinese characters, but it does
support Japanese Kanji.  Depending on the PC and host encodings for Chinese,
maybe the Japanese Kanji support might work for Chinese too.  The Japanese
Kanji support in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 assumes Code Page 982 ("Shift-JIS") on
the PC, and different variations of JIS X 0208 on the host.  JIS X 0208 is
similar to Chinese CAS GB 2312-80.

Your other alternative, if you are running CC-DOS (Chinese DOS) is a special
Chinese edition of an old version of MS-DOS Kermit, 2.32A, by Quanfang Zhang
of Zhejiang University in Hangzhou (see "Kermit in China", Kermit News #5,
July 1993).  You can find it on kermit.columbia.edu.  The text files are in
kermit/c/cc*.*, and binaries are in kermit/bin/cc*.exe.

Naturally, we would like to see true Chinese support integrated into the
new version MS-DOS Kermit; it should be fairly easy given the existing Kanji
support.  But it would require a DOS programmer with a knowledge of Chinese
writing and character sets, and access to Chinese-model PCs.

- Frank

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In article <1994Dec21.102006.35857@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>In article <pX3-kuqcZBFF075yn@primenet.com>,
>jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes:
>> 
>> Description:  Computer locks up solid if "set receive packet-length 2000"
>>               is a parameter when calling Kermit from a {Commo} macro.
>> ...
>Those omitted details show that program COMMO is attached to the
>serial port hardware.  That will be fatal if Kermit also uses the same
>hardware.  Thus I recommend you try without COMMO.
>
On the other hand, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is specifically designed to be used
as an external protocol by other software, so if Commo leaves the port
alone while Kermit is using it, hopefully there will be no interference.

Two other possibilities spring to mind.  When you add this command, you
are doing two things: making the command line longer, and causing Kermit
to dynamically allocate memory for packet buffers.

If the command line is longer than DOS's buffer for command lines (if I
recall correctly), terrible things can happen.  It is better to use a
shorter command line which points Kermit at a file to execute additional
commands from.

If that's not the explanation, then look at your memory management setup
very carefully -- maybe more than one process is contending for the same
memory, or QEMM is misconfigured, or Commo is not respecting Kermit's
"space", or some other application, driver, or TSR is misbehaving.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: APC Initiation
Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:41:28 GMT
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In article <Tim_Helmstetter.7.2EF1BC4F@radian.com>,
 <Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com> wrote:
>I am using KERMIT 3.13 to connect to a program called MAPPERC on a
>HP9000.  Everything works great except I cannot initiate APC. ESC Z
>works, the old TERMINALR escape code works, so I know the software is
>outputting the escape sequence properly. I know APC is turned on because
>I can start APC from a UNIX script, just not from this MAPPERC
>software. Has anyone else had problems with APC?
>
Your problem report does not make sense.

APC is supported by the terminal emulator in MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and
later, but TERMINALR/TERMINALS is not.

So if your software is sending the TERMINALR/TERMINALS escape sequences
and they work, you must not be running version 3.13, which would explain
why APC sequences do not work for you.

If you are running 3.13, then please read the update notes in the
KERMIT.UPD file that comes on the diskette, which explain in great detail
how to use the APC feature.

I don't know what your MAPPERC software does, but maybe it is not sending
the APC sequences correctly.  Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "set debug session"
so you can watch what MAPPERC is sending.  You should see:

  ^[_xxxxx^[\

where xxxxx is the text inside the APC sequence.  If you see that and it
still doesn't work, then please make sure you don't have "set terminal
apc off", etc.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MAC Kermit?
Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:43:00 GMT
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In article <3csuok$9h0@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com>,
Chuck Stickelman <chuck@cmhcsys.com> wrote:
>
>I'm sure this is a FAQ (or at least asked/answered 1K times!)
>but I'm not able to get onto rtfm.mit.edu.
>What is the status of Kermit on the Macintosh's?
>Where is the latest version located, and old is it?
>
CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT

As of: Sat Nov 12 11:00:53 1994

*** BULLETIN ***
Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with
downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x).  Now files can be downloaded
on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS
7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects.  It should also fix certain
binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when
downloading in binary mode.
*****************

The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988.  Unfortunately, it
does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems.  However, newer
versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on
these old models.

A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result
(so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most
purposes.

The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is
0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190).  It is available via anonymous FTP
from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f.

A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is
complete.  Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will
be.  Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for
further announcements.  You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending
email to LISTSERV@CUVMA.BITNET (or LISTSERV@CUVMA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) containing
the text:

  SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here

Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the
kermit/f directory:

  ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format
  ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988)
  ckmker.ps  -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40)
  ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc
  ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font

and in the kermit/charsets directory:

  maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself

Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details.

(End of ckmaaa.hlp)

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [Q] Mac Kermit or C-Kermit for Mac?
Date: 21 Dec 1994 23:00:56 GMT
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In article <3d3mve$g71@adam.cc.sunysb.edu>,
Eugene Tyurin <gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu> wrote:
>I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but what is the difference
>between Mac Kermit 0.991 (190) and C-Kermit 0.99 (190)? For me,
>the only difference is that I cannot make 0.991 run by clicking on
>it's saved settings file. :^(
>
Macintosh Kermit is not one of our top Kermit programs.  It is basically
a combination of C-Kermit 5A with a Macintosh user and system interface.
C-Kermit 5A is mine, the Mac-specific part is nobody's.  Ten (yes, ten)
years ago, the original Mac Kermit was written by my group, but those
people are long gone.  I am not funded to replace them.  For some years,
we had some excellent volunteer Mac programmers who made terrific
progress, but they are now also long gone.

What is the difference between 0.991(190) and 0.99(190)?  It is that I
tracked down and fixed the problem that was causing 0.99(190) -- and all
earlier versions -- to crash when downloading files on Mac System 7.1
and later (the problem being that a system call that had worked for ten
years had suddenly stopped working).

I also fixed the READ command not to crash.  I also fixed the various LOG
commands, which never worked before.  I fixed the file transfer display,
which previously often did not know whether a file was being sent or
received, and added some additional info, like the current directory.  I
fixed some of the dialog boxes to show the current file-related settings
correctly, in case they had been set from the command window.

I removed the stupid alert boxes that kept coming up saying "Writing to
console not allowed".  I added a DIRECTORY command, and fixed various
other file-related commands.  etc etc.

And I guess I must also have broken something.  Sorry.  I'm not a
Macintosh programmer, and I am beginning to wonder if anybody is.

I am surprised that so many people use this program, and apparently so
many universities depend on it, but nobody is willing or able to
contribute to its development or support.  I would do it myself, but there
are simply not enough hours in a day.  If you are a skilled Macintosh
programmer, preferably in MPW C, and are interested in helping out, please
read the ckmker.bwr file, and then if you are still interested, contact me.

Thanks.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 Ready for Testing
Date: 22 Dec 1994 21:53:18 GMT
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of Thu Dec 22, 1994, 16:47:31 Eastern USA time:

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes since Beta-15 include:

 . The SEND command now accepts an "indirect filename", starting with "@";
   the named file contains a list of files to be sent (see KERMIT.UPD).
 . TCP and IP now use less packets, good for SLIP.
 . Doomsday Kermit (DDK) protocol fixed, really this time.
 . SET TELNET TERM <name> no longer uppercases the name.
 . MAIL command fixed.
 . A bug with ESC completion fixed in command parser.
 . REMOTE ASG added as "special abbreviation" for REMOTE ASSIGN.
 . \v(inpath) now also works when file found in current directory.

Thanks to Joe Doupnik for all the above, and much else too!

Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee)
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Subject: HANGUP problem on FreeBSD
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Issuing the HANGUP command on my FreeBSD system drops the
DTR line forever, instead of just 0.5 second, as explained
in the C-Kermit book (page 45). I use the modem setting 'direct'.

On my Linux system, the command works according to the book.
It is a problem for me, because I try to connect both systems
with a direct line and SLIP, and the HANGUP command should
cause the other machine to logout. However, I found no way
to get the DTR on the FreeBSD box back to ON! (except SET LINE).

Can anyone tell me if this is supposed to depend on the OS?
If it may be a bug? How to turn DTR to ON?

In general, is there a way with Kermit to set ANY of the
handshake lines to arbitrary values? Would be neat for testing
all kinds of things.

Thanks for any info,

--Roland Kwee     email: rolandkwee@acm.org

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From: handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America)
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Subject: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers?
Date: 23 Dec 1994 06:52:15 GMT
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C-Kermit on the university end.  PC (old Compaq 386/16) running ProComm 
Plus, which includes something called "Super Kermit," on my off-campus 
end.  The modem is a Best Data Products "Smart One" 1442F internal Hayes 
clone faxmodem.

Both ends are set for 19200 baud, and that lie makes the theoretical
throughput at 14400 baud about 73% efficient.  I'm transferring compressed
binary files (*.exe, *.zip, &c.) from my campus home directory on a
lightly loaded machine to my PC hard disk, over a quiet phone line (0
packets resent).

Why am I getting only between 20% (with my modem compression enabled) and
30% (disabled) efficiency.  I do understand why my efficiency improves
when I don't try to compress a compressed file -- I don't understand why
it is so low overall. 

The STATISTICS command shows that I'm passing back a 90-byte packet for 
each one I receive.  Is this the fastest way to do Kermit?

Given the primativeness of the "Super Kermit" on my end, what can anyone 
suggest to increase efficiency?

TIA.
--
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From: Tom Bowden <isgtmb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu>
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Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers?
Date: 23 Dec 1994 14:06:43 GMT
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handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) wrote:
>
> C-Kermit on the university end.  PC (old Compaq 386/16) running ProComm 
> Plus, which includes something called "Super Kermit," on my off-campus 
> end.  The modem is a Best Data Products "Smart One" 1442F internal Hayes 
> clone faxmodem.
> 
[stuff deleted] 
> 
> The STATISTICS command shows that I'm passing back a 90-byte packet for 
> each one I receive.  Is this the fastest way to do Kermit?
> 
> Given the primativeness of the "Super Kermit" on my end, what can anyone 
> suggest to increase efficiency?
> 
Use longer packets.  In PCPLUS, go into setup (alt-s), then Protocols,
then Kermit (this may vary depending on which version you have).
The default packet length is 94.  Change it to 1024.

At the unversity end, edit your .kermrc (or ckermit.ini) file so that
it includes the lines:
  set send packet-length 1024
  set receive packet-length 1024
  set window 3

Hope this helps.

Tom in Atlanta

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3ddrrl$hc@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>,
Roland Kwee <rkwee@ee.pdx.edu> wrote:
>Issuing the HANGUP command on my FreeBSD system drops the
>DTR line forever, instead of just 0.5 second, as explained
>in the C-Kermit book (page 45). I use the modem setting 'direct'.
>
>On my Linux system, the command works according to the book.
>It is a problem for me, because I try to connect both systems
>with a direct line and SLIP, and the HANGUP command should
>cause the other machine to logout. However, I found no way
>to get the DTR on the FreeBSD box back to ON! (except SET LINE).
>
>Can anyone tell me if this is supposed to depend on the OS?
>If it may be a bug? How to turn DTR to ON?
>
It is supposed to work as described in the book.

During (and after) the development of C-Kermit 5A(190), FreeBSD kept
changing out from under me.  I received numerous "patches" from all over
the world, most of them mutually contradictory.

As you have probably seen by inspecting the tthang() routine in ckutio.c,
the simple act of dropping DTR for half a second is one of the hardest
things to do in non-vendor-specific UNIX communications software, since
there are so many different ways to do it -- each system has its own way.
tthang() presently takes up 405 lines of code, and still fails to work in
some cases, like yours.

The POSIX method is used In the FreeBSD case -- relatively straightforward
(get current speed, save it, set speed to 0, sleep half a second(*),
restore speed), so if it doesn't work, there is probably something wrong
underneath -- i.e. in FreeBSD or your serial port driver.

All I can say is, you are free to make changes to tthang() and send them
to me, but don't have any confidence that your changes will work for any
length of time, given FreeBSD's track record on stability so far (speaking
as an outsider, no offense intended).  I don't have access to any FreeBSD
systems to do this work myself.  Also, in my correspondence with other
FreeBSD users, nobody has reported a problem like this, so it's very
likely peculiar to a specific configuration (kernel edit, driver edit,
whatever).

>In general, is there a way with Kermit to set ANY of the handshake lines
>to arbitrary values? Would be neat for testing all kinds of things.
>
This would be a great feature, but no, there is no standard or portable
way (not even several standard ways) to set arbitrary modem signals.
C-Kermit does have a "show modem" command, which works on the (few) UNIX
variations that allow modem signals to be tested.  HP-UX probably has the
best serial i/o interface I've seen; very few others even approach it.

UNIX "standards bodies" have vigorously avoided the area of serial
communications, which, even in this age of low-cost, high-speed modems and
the worldwide public stampede to the "on-ramp" of the "information
superhighway" -- a time when serial communications is becoming more
important than ever before.

POSIX made some progress, but it's only one of many APIs, and even the
POSIX.1 API is inadequate.  It does not address questions of exclusive
access (which leaves us, still, with the "UUCP lockfile" -- one of the
most atrocious ideas in software engineering ever to gain "de facto
standard" status, ranking right up there with cooperative multitasking,
with which it has more than a little in common), hardware flow control,
modem signals, nondestructive input-buffer peeking, or fine-grained (under
one second) sleeps, all of which are essential for serial communications.

(*) But since there is no way to sleep for half a second in POSIX,
    we have to use some kind of non-POSIX-compliant method, i.e.
    an "extension", and this might be a good place to start
    looking for the problem.  See the msleep() routine in ckutio.c.

- Frank

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In article <AB1B18AE@mozart.cc.iup.edu>, manutter@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mark Nutter) writes:
> I am providing Macintosh support for a fair-sized university (14,000 
> students), and am trying to get people set up with a good, free terminal 
> program.  All our DOS people are using the DOS version of C-Kermit, with a 
					  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	There isn't such a thing. I believe you must mean MS-DOS Kermit,
no relation to C Kermit other than from the same project.
	Joe D.

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From: miller@sun.lclark.edu (John Miller)
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Awhile back Chuck Forsberg announced such a showdown, and I saw a followup
article in the Oregonian.  The Oregonian's article was more entertaining
than informative, and Forsberg did not seem to publish any hard results
on the net.

Anyone have any comparative results between latest versions of these packages?
We are running the latest kermit on a DEC Alpha, but have the older versions
of sz, etc.

Thanks,

John Miller
-- 
"What's ahead?"


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Hi --
I've got Unix C-Kermits and MS-Kermit dialing up to MVS/ESA mainframes through
a Renex TMS-4 protocol converter. I put on SC9131X as a local update to Kermit-
370 to get rid of the "IKT....Screen erasure caused by..." message, setting
&CONOPTS to 'STCNOS1' to force graphics controller (as recommended by the
beware file and ik0aaa). I still get the message (yeah, I checked the PROCLIB
and everything). Can anyone help me out? Many thanks...Nick G.
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From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee)
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According to John Miller <miller@sun.lclark.edu>:
|Awhile back Chuck Forsberg announced such a showdown, and I saw a followup
|article in the Oregonian.  The Oregonian's article was more entertaining
|than informative, and Forsberg did not seem to publish any hard results
|on the net.

In my particular setup (dialup to Unix server at Columbia University),
even with long packets enabled, etc., DSZ has a speed edge over
MS-Kermit.

However, Kermit is totally free.  Moreover, Frank's crew writes
documentation 1000% better than Mr. Forsberg--the DSZ docs (and command
parameter interface) is as obscure and unintentionally hilarious as can
get.
--   _____________________________________________________________________
     Yeechang Lee  (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94
     Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell
     Still working on my juggling-while-I-play-the-harmonica routine . . .

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In article <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu>,
Hand Made in America <handmade@cs.unca.edu> wrote:
>C-Kermit on the university end.  PC (old Compaq 386/16) running ProComm 
>Plus, which includes something called "Super Kermit," on my off-campus 
>end.  The modem is a Best Data Products "Smart One" 1442F internal Hayes 
>clone faxmodem.
>
>Both ends are set for 19200 baud, and that lie makes the theoretical
>throughput at 14400 baud about 73% efficient.  I'm transferring compressed
>binary files (*.exe, *.zip, &c.) from my campus home directory on a
>lightly loaded machine to my PC hard disk, over a quiet phone line (0
>packets resent).
>
>Why am I getting only between 20% (with my modem compression enabled) and
>30% (disabled) efficiency.  I do understand why my efficiency improves
>when I don't try to compress a compressed file -- I don't understand why
>it is so low overall. 
>
>The STATISTICS command shows that I'm passing back a 90-byte packet for 
>each one I receive.  Is this the fastest way to do Kermit?
>
>Given the primativeness of the "Super Kermit" on my end, what can anyone 
>suggest to increase efficiency?
>
(a) Use MS-DOS Kermit instead of Procomm;

(b) Adjust the window size, packet size, and other parameters to achieve
    maximum efficiency.

This kind of question is posted every couple days, and rather than repost
the detailed answer each time, I've stored it on kermit.columbia.edu,
directory kermit/e, text mode, faq.txt.  Please read it.

I have seen certain newsgroups that seem to have a permanent greeting
message.  If I knew how to accomplish this, I could post pointers to FAQs,
etc, so everybody would see them when first accessing this group.

- Frank
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Tom Bowden (isgtmb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu) wrote:
==> handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) wrote:
==> [stuff deleted (by both of us!)] 
==> Use longer packets.  [ . . . ]
==> The default packet length is 94.  Change it to 1024.

My PC+ *max* length settable from the menu is 94!!!  I have to hexedit 
the file PCPLUS.PRM to get it to 255.  I can edit a two-byte value (1024 
= 0400h), but PC+ only looks at the low byte (apparently) when actually 
negotiating the link.

==> At the university end, edit your .kermrc file so that
==> it includes the lines:
==>   set send packet-length 1024 ..... I set 255
==>   set receive packet-length 1024 .. 255
==>   set window 3 .................... 31 -- too much?

C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site!  Does anyone know
about such strangeness? 

Now my efficiency is up to 71% which is close to the theoretical ratio of 
14400/19200 = 75%.

==> Hope this helps.

It *sure*does*!!!  Sent me in the right direction.  Thanks, Tom and all.

--
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                     vox: 704.252.0121           67 N. Market St. (NC 28801)
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 Ready for Testing
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In article <3dcsge$num@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> 
> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 is available for anonymous ftp from
> kermit.columbia.edu as of Thu Dec 22, 1994, 16:47:31 Eastern USA time:
----------
	Just to forstall questions, this beta has one known problem:
saying  Kermit -f <filename in the current directory>  may fail if the
filename lacks a full path. It's fixed at my place already, but rather
than issuing a new beta after a day we felt it better to use these few
remaining days to discover any last bugs. Please, if you find them report
them immediately so we can make the formal release ASAP. Don't depend on
NEWS to be speedy; try my personal address, jrd@cc.usu.edu.
	Joe D.

24 ..... I set 255
> ==>   set receive packet-length 1024 .. 255
> ==>   set window 3 .................... 31 -- too much?
> 
> C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site!  Does anyone know
> about such strangeness? 
	Oh, that's a signature of running over many PPP and some SLIP
links, but nothing to do with C Kermit itself. You can SET SEND (or RECEIVE)
PACKET <length of your choosing> at the C Kermit prompt if necessary to
overcome any system defaults the guys have created.
	The suggestion to at least try MS-DOS Kermit on the PC end is a
good one. About four window slots of 1-2KB packets is plenty on a local
link. No binary editing hackery required.
	Joe D.


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I run OS/2 ckermit(190) in a 33x80 window.  When I connect to VMS, I
execute the following command to get VMS to recognize the larger window:
 
$ set term/pag=32/wid=80
 
I include the width since the width is sometimes improperly set to 132 when
I access VMS from a Unix box via telnet rather than dialing directly.  This
works fine when entered manually, so I decided to write a simple script to
automate it.  In the script I have the following two lines:
 
output set term/pag=32/wid=80\13
in 5 $
 
Whenever I execute these two lines, the OS/2 window is resized to 25x80
with VMS now believing I have a 32x80 screen.  I can reproduce the problem
by executing those two lines directly from the command line.  I can fix the
window by adding a "!mode 80,33" command, but it is annoying to have to do
so.
 
Interestingly, if I omit the "/wid=80" in the output command, no resizing
occurs.
 
Is it supposed to work this way?
 
Cliff@shell.poratl.com
 
--
I said it in Hebrew--I said it in Dutch--       | Clifford L. Pelletier
I said it in Latin and Greek:                   | cliff@shell.portal.com
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Subject: Re: Window resizes in OS/2
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In article <3dhn29$b2u@news1.shell>, Seeker <cliff@shell.portal.com> wrote:
>I run OS/2 ckermit(190) in a 33x80 window.  When I connect to VMS, I
>execute the following command to get VMS to recognize the larger window:
> 
>$ set term/pag=32/wid=80
> 
>I include the width since the width is sometimes improperly set to 132
>when I access VMS from a Unix box via telnet rather than dialing
>directly.  This works fine when entered manually, so I decided to write a
>simple script to automate it.  In the script I have the following two
>lines:
> 
>output set term/pag=32/wid=80\13
>in 5 $
> 

>Whenever I execute these two lines, the OS/2 window is resized to 25x80
>with VMS now believing I have a 32x80 screen.  I can reproduce the
>problem by executing those two lines directly from the command line.  I
>can fix the window by adding a "!mode 80,33" command, but it is annoying
>to have to do so.  Interestingly, if I omit the "/wid=80" in the output
>command, no resizing occurs.  Is it supposed to work this way?
> 
I am not totally sure this is the answer, but...

In version 5A(190) and earlier, the same screen size is used by both the
C-Kermit command parser and the terminal emulation window (in future
releases, the sizes will be independent).  When the command parser is
active, so is the ANSI console driver.

I suspect that when you tell VMS to:

  set term/pag=32/wid=80

this causes VMS to send an escape sequence to the terminal.  You can
confirm this via LOG SESSION or by putting C-Kermit's terminal emulator in
debug mode (with Alt-d).

If you have SET INPUT ECHO ON in C-Kermit, then your INPUT command:

  in 5 $

will read characters sent by the host and echo them to the screen, i.e. to
the ANSI console driver.  This means that any escape sequences sent by the
host are likely to have unexpected effects since ANSI != VTxxx.  In this
case, the console driver evidently recognized what it though was a video-
mode change command, and so changed its video mode, which affects both
the command screen and the terminal screen.

Solution:  Tell C-Kermit to SET INPUT ECHO OFF.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: DEC LAT multisession capabilities?
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In article <3d8t4l$osb@sun4.bham.ac.uk>, gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Giovanni Ciampa) writes:
> Subject sums it up really...
> 
> Is this currently possible with (MS-DOS) Kermit or if not, does
> anyone know if it is likely to become a part of the package?
----------
	MS-DOS Kermit supports only one LAT session at a time. It's a bunch 
of work and memory to support multiple LAT sessions, and so far there has
been no demand for that capability. Only the internal Telnet stack supports 
multiple sessions at this time, and later we hope to add some other comms
channels to the session manager.
	Joe D.

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Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) and I wrote:

==> > My PC+ *max* length settable from the menu is 94!!!  I have to hexedit 

i.e., my ProComm+ menu says "type a value between 20 and 94"

==> > C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site!

i.e., if I put a larger value in .kermrc, transfer a file, STAT reports 
286 byte packet-length.  Do I talk to my local admin?

==> 	The suggestion to at least try MS-DOS Kermit on the PC end . . .

so maybe I can get a PCKermit to set up as an EXTERNal protocol with the 
hooks provided with ProComm+ ?

Thanks for all the hints!

--
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                     vox: 704.252.0121           67 N. Market St. (NC 28801)
  opinions: mine!    fax: 704.252.0388           Post Office Box 2089
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From: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease)
Subject: Re: Help adding zmodem to MSKermit.
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In a previous article, degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu (Brian Degregorio) says:

>I'm trying to add gsz to kermit running on a direct connection (null modem), 
>but when I try to recieve something gsz doesn't accept the null modem signal.
>Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
>
>					Thanks in advance,
>					Brian Degregorio
>					
>
>*****************************************************************************
>** 			    Brian Degregorio  			           **
>**		         3504 11th ave N apt #16			   **
>**		         Grand Forks, ND  58203				   **
>**		Email:  degregor@aero.cas.und.nodak.edu			   **
>**              Phone:  701-772-7856 or if busy 701-795-8620               **
>Captain Penny's Law:
>	You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of
>	the people all of the time, but you Can't Fool Mom. 
>*****************************************************************************
>
I use DSZ, but GSZ should work the same way. Just make the appropriate
name change to the following macros.

I've forgotten which one of the DOCUMENTATION files I found this in, but
by adding the following macros to my MSCUSTOM.INI file I can call DSZ
as an external protocol from MSKermit.

 > ; Macros for transferring files via DSZ (Zmodem) ...
 > ;
 > define rz run dsz est 0 9600 F ha on port 1 G rz -r
 > define sz run dsz est 0 9600 F ha on port 1 G sz \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5
 > define t run dsz est 0 9600 F ha on port 1 G t -r

DSZ is installed in a directory in my path. I use Kermit's terminal emulation
for everything up to the point where I issue the:

   sz [filespec]

command on the remote system command line. I then use [Alt + X] to return to
the local Kermit command line, where I use:

   do rz

to initiate the Kermit "rz" macro defined above. This starts DSZ in the 
receive mode, which initiates the file transfer via Zmodem. When the transfer
is complete, DSZ exits and returns to the Kermit command line. I can then
"connect" again to get back to the remote command line. The:

   est 0 9600

passed to DSZ is supposed to cause the estimated transfer time to reflect
the correct 9600 baud rate of my V.32 modem, even though I use a DCE/DTE
rate of 19,200. This doesn't seem to work right, but I haven't yet tried to
determine why not. Also the "G" is supposed to be necessary to enable the
serial port, since when you run an external command, kermit is supposed to
shut off the serial port. It seems to work, so I haven't investigated if it
is really needed. Using "rz" on the remote system and "do sz" from the local
kermit command line initiates Zmodem "up-loads" in place of downloads. The
"t" macro is a special version of the download protocol, which I haven't
used yet. It is supposed to allow more automatic downloads to be performed.

I'm sure more automation could be included in the macros, but these work
quite well manually. Maybe someone else had improved on these macro's. With
MSKermit as the main comm. program and DSZ as an external protocol, I have
two of the most popular and reliable protocols available in an inexpensive
package.

-- 
cdl [ac388@lafn.org] ...

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In article <3dj72v$b1e@balsam.unca.edu>,
Hand Made in America <handmade@cs.unca.edu> wrote:
>Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) and I wrote:
>==> > My PC+ *max* length settable from the menu is 94!!!  I have to hexedit 
>...
>i.e., my ProComm+ menu says "type a value between 20 and 94"
>
We can't be responsible for the restrictions of Procomm.  MS-DOS Kermit
lets you choose any packet length up to the theoritical maximum of 9024.

>==> > C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site!
>...
>i.e., if I put a larger value in .kermrc, transfer a file, STAT reports 
>286 byte packet-length.  Do I talk to my local admin?
>
The packet length is determined by the file receiver.  In other words,
the receiver gives the sender permission to send packets UP TO the given
length; the sender can choose to send less, but not more.  A real Kermit
program will normally use the length that you tell it.  If you were using
MS-DOS Kermit, the command would be:

  SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000

or whatever.  Evidently your version of Procomm does not want to receive
long packets, no matter how you "hexedit" your Procomm configuration.
Maybe that's why it does not have a "command" or setting for this.

Give the same command to C-Kermit when uploading.  The current version of
C-Kermit is 5A(190) and, like MS-DOS Kermit 3.xx, it is a full
implementation of the protocol: long packets, sliding windows,
compression, locking shifts, etc etc.

- Frank

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From: chang@theta.math.wsu.edu (Ching Mo Chang)
Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT)
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Thanks for the Joe and Frank's replies to
	my previous posting: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT).

After the hints, I find out that using the following terminal setting, I can
view Chinese in Big5 code when runing MSKERMIT in a Chinese DOS system.

set parity none
set term bytesize 8
set terminal character transparent  

Ching-Mo

>>>>> "Joe" == Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> writes:

    Joe> ---------------- In terminal emulation mode the MS-DOS Kermit
    Joe> command to change the high bit of bytes displayed by 8-bit
    Joe> terminals (assuming a parity of NONE) is SET TERM DISPLAY
    Joe> {7-BIT, 8-BIT}, or alternatively SET TERM BYTESIZE {same as
    Joe> above}, or alternatively SET DISPLAY {same as above, plus
    Joe> file transfer screen options} These are aliases of the same
    Joe> command. Use SHOW TERMINAL to see the active setting.  Joe D.

>>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> writes:

    Frank> MS-DOS Kermit does not explicitly support Chinese
    Frank> characters, but it does support Japanese Kanji.  Depending
    Frank> on the PC and host encodings for Chinese, maybe the
    Frank> Japanese Kanji support might work for Chinese too.  The
    Frank> Japanese Kanji support in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 assumes Code
    Frank> Page 982 ("Shift-JIS") on the PC, and different variations
    Frank> of JIS X 0208 on the host.  JIS X 0208 is similar to
    Frank> Chinese CAS GB 2312-80.


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From: somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin)
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Subject: Help needed in slip setup!
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	Hello everyone after various attempts to setup config files for using 
slip especially with dns I have given up and decide to ask assistance. 
Thus can someone be so kind as to mail be a sample config files for using 
kermit with slip for dos. I currently and doing with a work around which is 
using ncsa telnet which was easy to setup. 
	On a side note I have beta 13 of kermit what new since then?
						Thank you in advance

						Carlos
ps.  happy new year!

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This is a test

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In article <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes:
> 	Hello everyone after various attempts to setup config files for using 
> slip especially with dns I have given up and decide to ask assistance. 
> Thus can someone be so kind as to mail be a sample config files for using 
> kermit with slip for dos. I currently and doing with a work around which is 
> using ncsa telnet which was easy to setup. 
> 	On a side note I have beta 13 of kermit what new since then?
> 						Thank you in advance
--------------
	De-scoping the question: what did you do, and what happened?
Something to keep in mind with SLIP is there is only one "other end"
of the wire and that remote end's IP number is the gateway off the
wire, and consequently your PC and that other end are on the same
IP network number (host parts differ but not the network parts of
the IP addresses). I suggest you do a quick double check with your 
local IP responsible people about IP numbers and subnet masks etc to 
verify that you are using the correct values for your environment.
	Joe D.

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In article <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
 somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes:
> Hello everyone after various attempts to setup config files for using 
> slip especially with dns I have given up and decide to ask assistance. 
> Thus can someone be so kind as to mail be a sample config files for using 
> kermit with slip for dos.
>
Did you read the instructions?  This is from the file NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC
in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta ZIP file:

MAKING SLIP CONNECTIONS

To make a SLIP (Serial Line IP) connection, follow these steps:

1. SET PORT 1
   (or whichever serial port you will be using for the SLIP connection).

2. SET SPEED 19200
   (or whatever speed you will be using)

3. SET FLOW RTS/CTS (or NONE)
   Don't use Xon/Xoff flow control on a SLIP connection!  SLIP and Xon/Xoff
   are incompatible with each other.

4. Establish a connection to the terminal server or other device that will be
   providing SLIP service.  Determine the IP address and other information
   (e.g. gateway address) that it has assigned to you.	Normally, these are
   displayed on your screen before the terminal server enters SLIP mode.

5. Escape back to the MS-Kermit prompt and EXIT from MS-DOS Kermit.  The
   connection is left open.

6. Start the SLIP8250 driver, telling it to use the same port (hex address and
   IRQ number must be supplied) and speed (decimal) used in (1) and (2) above,
   and to use hardware flow control (-h), for example:

      slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 19200

7. Start MS-DOS Kermit again.  Do NOT give it a SET PORT command for the
   serial port where SLIP is running.  Instead, give the SET TCP ADDRESS,
   SET TCP GATEWAY, and other necessary SET TCP commands.  Then, to make
   a connection, use SET PORT TCP <address>, where <address> is the IP
   hostname or address of the IP host you want to connect to.

Note: Even though you might think it's silly to exit from Kermit and then start
it again, when you could simply start the SLIP driver from the Kermit prompt,
there is a reason: starting a driver from inside an application results in
memory fragmentation.

Note 2: In version 3.13 and later, it is also possible to obtain BOOTP service
on a SLIP connection if your SLIP server is configured to provide it (for
example, Cisco terminal servers can do this).  Also, MS-DOS Kermit's SHOW
COMMUNICATIONS command will display the IP address of the BOOTP server.

> On a side note I have beta 13 of kermit what new since then?
>
Of interest to you would be an improvement in the efficiency of SLIP service,
which came in Beta 16 (the current Beta).

- Frank

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Hi,

I'm trying to halt or suspend OS/2 ckermit, like you can do unix to run
another program to access the com port. I tried the run command but my
program says that the port is in use.

If I quite ckermit it drops the connection and this is not what I want. I
want the connection to remain open.

Anyway to tell ckermit to give up the port. Note I'm trying to make a slip
connection to local server with TIA, after logging in with ckermit. Slip
says the comm port is still in use if I use the run command. Exiting
ckermit just kills the connection.

Any ideals. I did look in the ckermit book and no tips there. It discussed
running external programs that access the port with the run command but it
appears that the program has to be written to work with ckermit.

Thanks,

Helen


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In article <1994Dec26.181828.13664@mercury.ncat.edu>,
 <hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm trying to halt or suspend OS/2 ckermit, like you can do unix to run
>another program to access the com port. I tried the run command but my
>program says that the port is in use.

OS/2 C-Kermit locks the port when it is in use so that other applications
cannot interfere with it.

>If I quite ckermit it drops the connection and this is not what I want. I
>want the connection to remain open.

Correct.  OS/2 doesn't allow files to remain open past the end of an 
application.  It automatically closes all open files.

>Anyway to tell ckermit to give up the port. Note I'm trying to make a slip
>connection to local server with TIA, after logging in with ckermit. Slip
>says the comm port is still in use if I use the run command. Exiting
>ckermit just kills the connection.

In the next version of C-Kermit for OS/2 [5A(191)], there is now SLIPTERM
support which allows C-Kermit to grab control of the COM port from the 
SLIP driver.  This way you can start a slip session, and use C-Kermit 
as your terminal emulation and scripting package.

>Any ideals. I did look in the ckermit book and no tips there. It discussed
>running external programs that access the port with the run command but it
>appears that the program has to be written to work with ckermit.

The program needs to be written so that it can accept a file handle instead
of a port name.  This way the program can be started as a child process of
C-Kermit and inherit the open comm port.

>Thanks,
>
>Helen
>

If you are interested in joining the test group for OS/2 C-Kermit, send
me mail directly.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip 

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In article <3d4olb$hju@sun.lclark.edu>,
John Miller <miller@sun.lclark.edu> wrote:
>Awhile back Chuck Forsberg announced such a showdown, and I saw a followup
>article in the Oregonian.  The Oregonian's article was more entertaining
>than informative, and Forsberg did not seem to publish any hard results
>on the net.
        Chuck does have a gift for generating publicity, doesn't he?
;-) Unfortunately, I've never seen a `showdown' that produced any
really useful information.  As Mark Twain said: there's lies, damned
lies, and statistics.

        If you read between the lines of the glossy graphs and charts
used to support the `my protocol is better than yours' wars, you can
get some real laughs.  For example, one chart I saw proclaimed one
protocol `best' due to an advantage over a competitor of only .3%!
Another chose a very particular file that had certain properties that
caused it to transfer unusually quickly under one particular protocol
(but not a competitor's, of course).  Both of these comparisons were
done by generally well-respected individuals.

>Anyone have any comparative results between latest versions of these packages?
>We are running the latest kermit on a DEC Alpha, but have the older versions
>of sz, etc.

        Latest versions of which packages?  I've seen 10-20 percent
variations in speed between different implementations of the same
protocol on the same equipment transferring the same file.  (In one
case, a data scope was used to verify that the implementations were
functioning identically.  Apparently, one was just 10% less efficient
at managing the serial and disk I/O on that hardware.)  If that kind
of difference is important to you, then simply specifying which
_protocol_ to compare is pointless.

        My two cents: Kermit and ZModem are sufficiently close in
speed (given good implementations of each) that ease of use and
reliability are THE most important issues.  Speed is no longer a major
consideration.  If you want faster transfers, buy a faster modem and
a faster computer.  Still not fast enough?  Rent a T1 line.

        In fact, I regularly use a protocol that's much slower than
either Kermit or ZModem simply because I have an implementation that's
extremely easy to use.  The minutes I save not having to remember
which settings to fiddle more than make up for the seconds of extra
transfer time.

                                - Tim Kientzle

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I'm trying to use Kermit in TCP/IP mode on a PC running WindowsNT.
I got MSVIBM.ZIP (MS-Kermit 3.13) and unpacked it, and it runs.
I did "set tcp host" (followed by remote host address), "set
port tcp", then "connect", and I got:

   Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver.
   Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting.
   ?Cannot start the connection.

Just to eliminate obvious problems, I then tried setting appropriate
values for "address", "domain", "gateway", and "primary-nameserver".
"Packet-driver-interrupt" is set to 0 (meaning "search for it")
by default.  Anyway, I get the same error message no matter what.

I was hoping this would work, since NT comes with TCP/IP built in.
Anyone know of a tweak that can make Kermit run using TCP on NT?

Hans Lachman  <lachman@netcom.com>
"You are lost in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike."

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I'd like to write a script to login from a remote unix box without
net access via a phone line to an account with internet access all
with the script. The end result would be to download mail, files, etc
all with a one or two line command, and let it run for the desired time,
however, the problem Ihave is, all the documentation says kermit
scripts can be run, but nowhere have I seen any examples, documentation
on scripting in kermit, etc. Would people either be able to let me
have a copy of a similar script, or point me in the proper direction
when I can pick up some FREE information on how to write kermit scripts?

Chris
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit on WindowsNT (using TCP)?
Date: 28 Dec 1994 15:44:32 GMT
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In article <lachmanD1IB92.A9F@netcom.com>,
Hans Lachman <lachman@netcom.com> wrote:
>I'm trying to use Kermit in TCP/IP mode on a PC running WindowsNT.
>I got MSVIBM.ZIP (MS-Kermit 3.13) and unpacked it, and it runs.
>I did "set tcp host" (followed by remote host address), "set
>port tcp", then "connect", and I got:
>
>   Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver.
>   Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting.
>   ?Cannot start the connection.
>
>Just to eliminate obvious problems, I then tried setting appropriate
>values for "address", "domain", "gateway", and "primary-nameserver".
>"Packet-driver-interrupt" is set to 0 (meaning "search for it")
>by default.  Anyway, I get the same error message no matter what.
>
>I was hoping this would work, since NT comes with TCP/IP built in.
>Anyone know of a tweak that can make Kermit run using TCP on NT?
>
No.  MS-DOS Kermit is not a native NT application and can't use NT's
TCP/IP protocol.  Kermit executes its own built-in TCP/IP protocol
code, which runs on top of either a packet driver or an ODI driver.

I don't know enough about NT to say whether it is possible to run
a "DOS virtual machine" under NT which includes a packet driver or ODI
driver for your network board (this is possible under OS/2), but if so,
then you make TCP/IP connections with MS-DOS Kermit this way, but it
would probably require shutting down TCP/IP on NT.

In the future, we hope to have a native TCP/IP-capable Kermit version
for NT, but I can't give an estimate yet as to when it might be ready.

- Frank
x
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: scripting in kermit
Date: 28 Dec 1994 15:52:19 GMT
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In article <3ds0jn$pnl@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>,
Chris Christian <cjdc@extra.cc.purdue.edu> wrote:
>I'd like to write a script to login from a remote unix box without
>net access via a phone line to an account with internet access all
>with the script. The end result would be to download mail, files, etc
>all with a one or two line command, and let it run for the desired time,
>
All of this is quite possible.

>however, the problem Ihave is, all the documentation says kermit
>scripts can be run, but nowhere have I seen any examples, documentation
>on scripting in kermit, etc. Would people either be able to let me
>have a copy of a similar script, or point me in the proper direction
>when I can pick up some FREE information on how to write kermit scripts?
>
Why does it have to be free?

The Kermit effort is entirely self supporting, depending on income
from software distribution fees (dwindling in this era of burgeoning
Internet access) and book sales for its continued existence.

Since we have gone to the trouble of writing and publishing manuals that
document the script programming language clearly and with numerous examples,
why not simply "hit the books"?

- Frank

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-> As Mark Twain said: there's lies, damned
-> lies, and statistics.


Actually, Benjamin Disraeli said that.

Regards,

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  I cannot upload binary files through a Penril communications server using 4E 
C-Kermit.  The same  file can be uploaded when I use a port on the back of my 
SUN (SUN OS 4.1.3) machine directly -- but when I try to go through the comm 
server it does not work. Does anybody have any clues???? (file type is set for 
binary).

                                                                                
          Martin B. Isaksen
misaksen@asc.dtic.dla.mil



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In article <3dsife$ekq@dgis.dtic.dla.mil>, <Martin B. Isaksen> wrote:
>I cannot upload binary files through a Penril communications server using 4E 
>C-Kermit.  The same  file can be uploaded when I use a port on the back of my 
>SUN (SUN OS 4.1.3) machine directly -- but when I try to go through the comm 
>server it does not work. Does anybody have any clues???? (file type is set
>for binary).
>
It probably does not affect this problem, but the current version of C-Kermit
is 5A(190).

The most common reason for failed uploads is inadequate buffer capacity on the
receiving end, probably the Penril device in this case, coupled with the lack
of an effective means of flow control.

Solution: reconfigure the communications server to have big buffers in the
receiving direction as well as in the sending direction, and enable the
most effective possible means of flow control (preferably RTS/CTS) between
this device and the one it is most immediately connected to (presumably a
modem).  Same deal on the calling end.

If the Penril and/or modem are unfixable, then use end-to-end Xon/Xoff flow
control, which is less satisfactory as it is subject to latency and loss,
and reduce Kermit's packet size until transfers start to work.

If that's not it, then maybe we have a transparency problem, but let's try
this approach first.

- Frank

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I've been looking for an easy way to use my PC's ALT key as a Unix META key,
and I haven't found it.  I own, and have looked through, the MSDOS Kermit book,
as well as the documentation that I got from Columbia when I downloaded
MSKermit 3.13, but I haven't seen an easy way to accomplish what I want to do.

A META key is a shift key which sets the 8th bit of a character.  My fingers
are so trained by this time that trying to use Emacs without one is
frustrating.  I know how to tell Unix that my terminal has the capability, and
I can get Kermit to send 8 bit characters, but it looks like I'm going to have
to do 128 "set key"s to teach Kermit what I mean when I type ALT-anything.
Have I missed something, or is this the prescribed solution?



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Hi fellow Kermitters,

I have a situation where both people are running kermit 3.14 beta 16. One
persion starts the transfer on his/her side and the other decides not to
transfer the file. A series of control-c's are sent with no prevail of
working at all <GRIN>. The person has to enter kermit and start receiving,
then cancel using C, why? Are we doing something wrong?

Now, ckermit 190 does cancel with a series of control-c's. Why is msdos
acting different, or should it not be???

Jeff


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Hi,
	Transfering uncompressed text I get about 2800cps over my 14.4
modem.  Transferring zipped files I get about 1200cps. This seems to be
roughly the same for window sizes above 1000. At one point I thought
that there was some optimum window size and number. Now I'm not
sure. Why wouldn't 31 windows of 9024 bytes each be way over kill but
optimum in all cases? Is there a formula or a procedure for
determining this other than trial and error? Also is there a way to
take better advantage of V42 in my modem. Better in the sense of
increasing throughput of correct data. I'm basicly content but just
thought I'd ask. My computer is a 486-33 and I dial into a rather
speedy Sun4m architecture machine.

thanks
--

Kendall Shaw                        "!"
(415)364-1343						 -- me
kshaw@shell.portal.com              

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <CLJ.94Dec28161403@unicorn.bbn.com>,
Chris Jones <clj@bbn.com> wrote:

>I've been looking for an easy way to use my PC's ALT key as a Unix META key,
>and I haven't found it.  I own, and have looked through, the MSDOS Kermit
>book, as well as the documentation that I got from Columbia when I downloaded
>MSKermit 3.13, but I haven't seen an easy way to accomplish what I want to do.
>
>A META key is a shift key which sets the 8th bit of a character.  My fingers
>are so trained by this time that trying to use Emacs without one is
>frustrating.  I know how to tell Unix that my terminal has the capability, and
>I can get Kermit to send 8 bit characters, but it looks like I'm going to have
>to do 128 "set key"s to teach Kermit what I mean when I type ALT-anything.
>Have I missed something, or is this the prescribed solution?
>
I agree it would be nice to be able to assign arbitrary modifier functions
(like Meta) to arbitrary keys (like Alt), but MS-DOS Kermit presently lacks
this capability.

But no, you don't have to write 128 SET KEYs because we've already done it
for you in the EMACS.INI file that comes with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit,
currently in Beta.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode,
file mstibm.zip.  Unzip with "-d" switch.  Look in KEYBOARD subdirectory.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <y$T0luqcZZCS075yn@primenet.com>,
Jeff Bishop <jbishop@primenet.com> wrote:
>I have a situation where both people are running kermit 3.14 beta 16. One
>persion starts the transfer on his/her side and the other decides not to
>transfer the file. A series of control-c's are sent with no prevail of
>working at all <GRIN>. The person has to enter kermit and start receiving,
>then cancel using C, why? Are we doing something wrong?
>
No.

>Now, ckermit 190 does cancel with a series of control-c's. Why is msdos
>acting different, or should it not be???
>
It isn't acting different.

A Kermit program can be in either "remote mode" or "local mode".  The Local
Kermit is the one that initiated the connection, and the remote one is
the "called" one.  The distinction is important because of what happens
with the keyboard and the screen during file transfer.  When in local mode,
a Kermit program has access to the keyboard and screen IN ADDITION TO the
communication channel, whereis in remote mode, the "keyboard and screen"
IS the communication channel.

When the remote Kermit is in packet mode, there needs to be a way for the
local user to get it back to command mode "by hand".  C-Kermit lets you
do this by typing three consecutive Ctrl-C characters, but only when it is
in remote mode.  If it is in local mode, then it has thrown a file transfer
display up on the screen and is sampling the keyboard for special commands.

Well, you get the idea.  In the case you describe, BOTH Kermit programs are
in local mode.  Neither one is in remote mode, and so neither one is
sensitive to "bare" Control-C characters.  Which is as it should be, since
oversensitivity in this area could cause unwanted transfer failures when
there was a lot of noise on the line, etc.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Increasing file transfer through put
Date: 29 Dec 1994 00:26:37 GMT
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In article <KSHAW.94Dec28221703@jobe.shell.portal.com>,
kendall thomason shaw <kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com> wrote:
>Transfering uncompressed text I get about 2800cps over my 14.4
>modem.  Transferring zipped files I get about 1200cps. This seems to be
>roughly the same for window sizes above 1000. At one point I thought
>that there was some optimum window size and number.
>
If there was, we would make it the default for everybody.

>Now I'm not sure. Why wouldn't 31 windows of 9024 bytes each be way
>over kill but optimum in all cases?
>
Because this can cause buffer overflows, network packet loss, etc.

  EVERY CONNECTION IS DIFFERENT!

Even the same connection can be different from one moment to the next.

>Is there a formula or a procedure for determining this other than trial
>and error?
>
There is no formula.  Each connection, each kind of box, each piece of
wire, each kind of computer, each kind of modem, each operating system,
each version of each of the preceding, etc etc, has its own peculiar
characteristics.  Bigger is not always better -- the curve tends to be
bell-shaped, but on each connection the bell is a different shape.

The best way to get your throughput up is probably to crank the window
and packet sizes back down to conservative levels, say 4x1000 or so, and
then read about control-character unprefixing in the documentation for
the recent Kermit releases.  That should get your ZIP file transfers
over V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connections up to about 1600 cps.

>Also is there a way to take better advantage of V42 in my modem. Better
>in the sense of increasing throughput of correct data.
>
V.42 is an error-correction protocol.  It has little direct bearing on
throughput -- you sort of have to view it as a block box.  Whatever
comes in one end is more-or-less-sort-of guaranteed to come out the
other end, but it might take longer than you expect (due to
retransmissions, retaining, etc, between the two modems).

You probably mean V.42bis, which is a data compression protocol that
rides over V.42 (or other reliable link layer).  You are wondering: If
my data file is already compressed, then aren't I making my modem work
harder -- and therefore slowing it down -- if I ask it to compress the
uncompressible?  The answer is yes, but probably not very much --
probably less than 1%.  Not enough to make it worth the time it takes
for you to turn the feature off and on.  Ditto for Kermit's own
compression.  Measurements show no significant difference in throughput
with these features turned on and turned off.

>I'm basicly content but just thought I'd ask. My computer is a 486-33
>and I dial into a rather speedy Sun4m architecture machine.
>
How?  Through a terminal server?  You also might need to take a look at
the terminal server's configuration.  Make sure it has bidirectional
RTS/CTS flow control enabled between itself and the modem.  Turn off its
Xon/Xoff flow control and all other kinds of per-character processing;
some terminal servers have a command for this, such as Cisco's "terminal
download".

By the same token, make sure you have RTS/CTS flow control enabled
between your PC and the modem is directly connected to.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem
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In article <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
> A Kermit program can be in either "remote mode" or "local mode".  The Local
> Kermit is the one that initiated the connection, and the remote one is
> the "called" one.

So let us assume you were on a bbs and initiated a kermit transfer. Which
would be the remote then?

>  The distinction is important because of what happens
> with the keyboard and the screen during file transfer.  When in local mode,
> a Kermit program has access to the keyboard and screen IN ADDITION TO the
> communication channel, whereis in remote mode, the "keyboard and screen"
> IS the communication channel.

OK, sounds fine. I can see how that would make much since, but then the user
can not cancel unless sitting at the hostterminal, right???

> When the remote Kermit is in packet mode, there needs to be a way for the
> local user to get it back to command mode "by hand".  C-Kermit lets you
> do this by typing three consecutive Ctrl-C characters, but only when it is
> in remote mode.  If it is in local mode, then it has thrown a file transfer
> display up on the screen and is sampling the keyboard for special commands.

Ok, how do you insure that the control-c's will work like c-kermit (remote
mode)?

> Well, you get the idea.  In the case you describe, BOTH Kermit programs are
> in local mode.  Neither one is in remote mode, and so neither one is
> sensitive to "bare" Control-C characters.  Which is as it should be, since
> oversensitivity in this area could cause unwanted transfer failures when
> there was a lot of noise on the line, etc.
> 

Let us assume I was on a BBS and initiaed a download of a file using kermit
(all running msdos kermit, not ckermit). I just relized that I have the file
already and do not need to download the file. Now, how do I cancel the
sending end without loading kermit since kerlite is being used?

Sorry if this is not clear, just trying to understand so I can communicate
this to another person.

> - Frank

Jeff Bishop

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem
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In article <Q-X0luqcZpAQ075yn@primenet.com>, jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes:
> In article <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
>> A Kermit program can be in either "remote mode" or "local mode".  The Local
>> Kermit is the one that initiated the connection, and the remote one is
>> the "called" one.
> 
> So let us assume you were on a bbs and initiated a kermit transfer. Which
> would be the remote then?
	Your PC is in local mode. The BBS owner very definitely does NOT
want you to break protocol mode and change states to something unknown.
 
>>  The distinction is important because of what happens
>> with the keyboard and the screen during file transfer.  When in local mode,
>> a Kermit program has access to the keyboard and screen IN ADDITION TO the
>> communication channel, whereis in remote mode, the "keyboard and screen"
>> IS the communication channel 
	<uncluttering...>
> Let us assume I was on a BBS and initiaed a download of a file using kermit
> (all running msdos kermit, not ckermit). I just relized that I have the file
> already and do not need to download the file. Now, how do I cancel the
> sending end without loading kermit since kerlite is being used?
> 
> Sorry if this is not clear, just trying to understand so I can communicate
> this to another person.

	Sure. READ THE SCREEN, if you are visually able to do so. Or get
a friend to speak it. On the status line of the MS-DOS Kermit file transfer
display screen, and discussed in the user's manual, is a legend explaining
which keys to press to do a formal (nice, clean) protocol termination of
just this file (X) or all files in this operation (Z) or stop the world
abruptly (C) or more gently (E). Try it. 
	Joe D. 

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From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Commodore C128 and Kermit
Date: 29 Dec 1994 07:35:17 GMT
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I am interested in recommendations from C128 users as to which
version of Kermit they find best.

1. CP/M Z80 Kermit
2. C64 Kermit
3. C128 Kermit
4. CKermit (Yes there is UNIX for the C128)

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From: cspgrgr@brunel.ac.uk (R Ghosh-Roy)
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Subject: Kermit / SLIP / PPP
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May be its a naive question but I would like to know which of the following three
is best for my PCs talking to a SUN?

1. Kermit (whatever the latest version is)
2. SLIP
3. PPP
4. other

Thanks,
Rana

PS: In future, I would also like to run X applications on my PC.


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From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell)
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Subject: COM3/COM4
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I want to end 1994 by complimenting Frank da Cruze and Joe Doupnik
for the section on COM3/COM4 support in the MS-Kermit kermit.bwr
file.  It is the clearest, most cogent statement about an incredibly
difficult subject that I have yet encountered.  When I had the
occasion to add COM3/COM4 support to some software I freely distribute
(a blood glucose testing meter interface) I included kermit.bwr and
recommended that prospective COM3/COM4 users of my software read it.

Thanks, guys!

Vic Abell

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-17 Ready for Testing
Date: 30 Dec 1994 19:16:03 GMT
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-17 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of Fri Dec 30, 1994, 16:20 Eastern USA time:

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes since Beta-16 include:

 . Fix command-line "-f filename" and related items.

 . More refinements to TCP/IP internals to better balance performance
   against impact on network, and to improve performance of SLIP and
   long-haul TCP/IP connections.

 . Allow passing of null strings to macros as {}.

 . Add Microcom QX/4232hs dialing script from Kevin Brott.

 . Fix \v(cps) to be usable as a variable in commands.

 . Add CPxxx.F08 fonts for use with longer screens.

 . Fix Hankaku-Katakana input (needed for Nikkei Telecom database).

 . Add documentation for Chinese to KERMIT.UPD.

Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem
Date: 30 Dec 1994 13:33:19 -0800
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In article <Q-X0luqcZpAQ075yn@primenet.com>,
Jeff Bishop <jbishop@primenet.com> wrote:
>
>sending end without loading kermit since kerlite is being used?
>


Uh, what's "Kerlite"?




-- 
Mike Freeman            |       Internet: mikef@pacifier.com
GEnie: M.FREEMAN11      |       Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ
... Virtue is its own punishment.

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From: mfoley@infinet.com (Mark Foley)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2
Date: 31 Dec 1994 04:30:47 GMT
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I have been using KERMIT for years and years and am a fan.  I have
bought the book and everything (I don't have it now though).  Anyway the
minor problem I have is this: I have been using c-kermit 5A(189) for
OS/2 for quite awhile now.  Appearently, the modem I was using raised
the carrier signal because it worked just fine.  I just bought a new US
Robotics 14400 external modem today and hooked it up to my OS/2 machine. 
Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or
something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem.  I have
done 'set ?' and various other commands looking for a fix - 'set carrier
on' doesn't do it. 

I know I can just flip the modem dip switch to make carrier always on,
but this seems wrong. I have extensive experience in RS-232
communications and carrier is, in fact, suppose to be related to the
actual carrier signal between the connected modems. Why is kermit
looking for carrier before I've even dialed? Doesn't make sense! If
kermit wants to look for the presence of a DCE device, it should look at
Data Set Ready (DSR), not a signal which shouldn't be present until
connection. Any comments from anyone?

BTW - I am sending this message by flipping to a DOS window and dialing
out using MSKERMIT 3.01. This kermit doesn't get hung up on carrier :-)
(excuse the pun).


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From: oconnort@acf2.nyu.edu (Tim O'Connor)
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Subject: Re: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2
Date: 31 Dec 1994 13:47:59 GMT
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Mark Foley (mfoley@infinet.com) wrote:

> Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or
> something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem.  

Try "set carrier off" in your ckermod.ini file, in the OS/2 section.
Worked great for me!

--tim o'connor


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From: dan@pasteur.fr (Daniel Azuelos)
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Subject: Where's the last version ?
Date: 31 Dec 1994 15:26:58 +0100
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Please, where's the last working version of Kermit for Mac ?
I gave a look at a lot of README files on columbia.edu and they
are all talking of Mac version but apparently none is anymore
available there.

Thank you for your help.
-- 
dan                 ``Et pourtant ga tourne....''

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After installing the mstibm.zip file to a DOS subdirectory (and children
subdirectories), changing to that subdirectory, and issuing: KERMIT
the following displays (questionable message underlined below; this happens
                                             ----------
for all three MS-Kermit .exe files, and the MSR314 PATCH files, while having
only comments in them, do not seem to have a "version mismatch"):

IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14/Beta-17 29 Dec 1994
Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1994.
Type ? or HELP for help
Executing D:\NEWKERM\MSKERMIT.INI...
Installing patches...

Ignoring patch file. Version number mismatch.
---------------------------------------------

This is a dummy patch file for use only with the beta test
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File...
Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, D:\NEWKERM\MSCUSTOM.INI...
...

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta 15 thru 17
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In article <94365.134606HDK@psuvm.psu.edu>, H. D. Knoble <HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> After installing the mstibm.zip file to a DOS subdirectory (and children
> subdirectories), changing to that subdirectory, and issuing: KERMIT
> the following displays (questionable message underlined below; this happens
>                                              ----------
> for all three MS-Kermit .exe files, and the MSR314 PATCH files, while having
> only comments in them, do not seem to have a "version mismatch"):
> 
> IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14/Beta-17 29 Dec 1994
> Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1994.
> Type ? or HELP for help
> Executing D:\NEWKERM\MSKERMIT.INI...
> Installing patches...
> 
> Ignoring patch file. Version number mismatch.
> ---------------------------------------------
> 
> This is a dummy patch file for use only with the beta test
> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File...
> Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, D:\NEWKERM\MSCUSTOM.INI...
-------------
	Just ignore the message. Betas change, preparing a legit Patch file
is a lot of work, specific to that particular .exe file, and I'd rather
spend time on other matters until we release the product.
	Joe D.

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From: taylorj@ecs.ecs.csus.edu (Jon M. Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: File transfers are too slow
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	I know this is a FAQ, but I've already read the FAQ, all the help 
files, and played around a lot and I still have speed problems. Soooo....

	Situation:  I am connecting from my home computer (486/33, 
v.32bis modem, latest beta DOS kermit 3.14) to the university computer 
(HP 9000/715, OS 9.x)  Via a Xyplex terminal server that is set to 
swallow XON/XOFF chars and cannot |-< be changed (idiot admins...).  
This, BTW, is why I *HAVE* to use Kermit.  I used to be able to change 
the XON/XOFF passthru, but I now cannot and as a result Zmodem just 
refuses to work at all.  Yaaay Kermit!  I switched out of desperation, 
but I am now a convert.
	Anyway, I have compiled 5A(190) for HPUX, and it seems to work
correctly (so far, anyway).  I get maximal throughput with packet length
set to 2000 (more works OK, but doesn't seem to make a difference in
throughtput), all the control characters from the FAST macro enabled, and
windows set to 1.  My modem DTR is locked at 38400, compression and error
correction enabled, and it connects to the Xyplex at 14.4k with
compression and EC on.  With this setup, I get ~1150 CPS. 
	Here's the rub:  Things start breaking down with any other window
setting than 1.  The symptoms are: About 5 or so (it varies a bit) blocks
will transfer OK, during which the window setting stays at "1 of
[maxwin]".  Then, the transfer will halt temporarily (but no retries
occur), and then the next block will transfer at half the original cps and
one more window.  Halt, transfer one more block at half the cps and one
more window, and repeat until max windows are reached, at which point the
number of windows returns to 1, the cps maxes out again, and we repeat the
whole cycle.  With max windows set to 2, this cycles often, with 32 the
cps drops to about 16(!!!) at about 10 windows and stays there until 32,
when it cycles back to one again.

	Some other misc. info:

- stty shows 9600; I changed it to 19200 with indeterminate results.  The 
Xyplex DTR is set to 19200, I think.

- c-kermit on the HP initially uses XON/XOFF.  I'm not sure whether to 
change this or not - would the Xyplex need it?  I *think* the xyplex uses 
XON/XOFF to talk to the HP and DSR/DTR to talk to my modem....

- I use doublespace with a large disk cache.

	Also, while I'm here, I want to say thanks to Joe Doupnik (I used
to go to school at USU!) and Frank da Cruz for MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. 
NOTHING but Kermit will work over this damn Xyplex, and I'm really glad
it's out there.  A couple suggestions:  Have the percentage efficiency and
CPS rating be updated in realtime during the transfer, like most other
common protocols do.  I currently have to stop the transfer to see these. 
Given that most folx need to play with the settings, this would be a nice
touch.  Also, since you seem to be aiming for maximum configurablility, 
how about an option to completely turn off ALL error checking in the 
protocol (like Ymodem-G)?  It would add another little speed boost to 
those who have EC modems.
	I'll live with ~1150 cps if I *have* to, but I see no reason why 
I couldn't come close to 1600, *if* Windows worked.  Any help is appreciated.

	-Jon
	


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From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor)
Subject: Kermit & the strange DOS machine
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I have a single board 8 mhz 8088 MSDOS computer which is an expansion 
board to a unix based computer.  COM1 is irrevocably tied to a 
non-standard on-board-modem.  COM2 is said to be a standard PC serial 
port, which *was* driven by an NS 8250.   COM2 is *now* driven by an NS 
16550.   \|^)

After starting Kermit (3.13 patch 20) in the usual fashion, if I 'set port 2'
Kermit finds and acknowleges the existance of the 16550 in response to
either 'sho comm' or 'sho mod'.  If I start Kermit with 'set port 2' in
the command line, it does *not* acknowlege the existance of the 16550.  I 
don't know if Kermit finds the 16550 under that circumstance (I have 
commented out 'set port 1' in mscustom.ini).

If I 'dial nnnnnnn', Kermit initializes the modem (Dataport 14400) at
57600, dials the number and connects at 14400.  With very little tuning, I
transferred a text file at 2600~2700cps apparently error free from the
remote Kermit 5A(189) putting out allegedly at 38400. 

So why am I using this bandwidth?

1. Kermit takes 13 minutes from pressing <return> following the dial 
command to actually dialing the number.  It frequently takes so long to 
return to the prompt after connection is made that the connection drops 
before I can get the remote's attention.  "output atdtnnnnnnn\13' is a 
crude work-around.

2. Escaping from connect to local is prompt, but connecting back to 
remote takes a *long* time.

3. In interactive operation as a vt100 and with 'set flo rts/cts' a 
very few characters are dropped, not enough to cause problems - but - The 
screen is written only a few lines at a time with long pauses in 
between.  I suspect the remote gets bored with the constant hardware halts & 
looses interest.  If I 'set flo none' the screen is uninteligible.  

I suspect that this behavior is caused by Kermit's finding the 
non-standard modem at COM1 and using BIOS thereafter.  Can anyone verify 
my suspicions?  Is there a way to fool Kermit or to cause it to find COM2 
only?  Do any other non-standard hardware features cause Kermit to slow 
down in this fashion?

Thanks for your help.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: File transfers are too slow
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In article <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu>, taylorj@ecs.ecs.csus.edu (Jon M. Taylor) writes:
> 
> 	I know this is a FAQ, but I've already read the FAQ, all the help 
> files, and played around a lot and I still have speed problems. Soooo....
> 
> 	Situation:  I am connecting from my home computer (486/33, 
> v.32bis modem, latest beta DOS kermit 3.14) to the university computer 
> (HP 9000/715, OS 9.x)  Via a Xyplex terminal server that is set to 
> swallow XON/XOFF chars and cannot |-< be changed (idiot admins...).  
> This, BTW, is why I *HAVE* to use Kermit.  I used to be able to change 
> the XON/XOFF passthru, but I now cannot and as a result Zmodem just 
> refuses to work at all.  Yaaay Kermit!  I switched out of desperation, 
> but I am now a convert.
> 	Anyway, I have compiled 5A(190) for HPUX, and it seems to work
> correctly (so far, anyway).  I get maximal throughput with packet length
> set to 2000 (more works OK, but doesn't seem to make a difference in
> throughtput), all the control characters from the FAST macro enabled, and
> windows set to 1.  My modem DTR is locked at 38400, compression and error
> correction enabled, and it connects to the Xyplex at 14.4k with
> compression and EC on.  With this setup, I get ~1150 CPS. 
> 	Here's the rub:  Things start breaking down with any other window
> setting than 1.  The symptoms are: About 5 or so (it varies a bit) blocks
> will transfer OK, during which the window setting stays at "1 of
> [maxwin]".  Then, the transfer will halt temporarily (but no retries
> occur), and then the next block will transfer at half the original cps and
> one more window.  Halt, transfer one more block at half the cps and one
> more window, and repeat until max windows are reached, at which point the
> number of windows returns to 1, the cps maxes out again, and we repeat the
> whole cycle.  With max windows set to 2, this cycles often, with 32 the
> cps drops to about 16(!!!) at about 10 windows and stays there until 32,
> when it cycles back to one again.
> 
> 	Some other misc. info:
> 
> - stty shows 9600; I changed it to 19200 with indeterminate results.  The 
> Xyplex DTR is set to 19200, I think.
> 
> - c-kermit on the HP initially uses XON/XOFF.  I'm not sure whether to 
> change this or not - would the Xyplex need it?  I *think* the xyplex uses 
> XON/XOFF to talk to the HP and DSR/DTR to talk to my modem....
> 
> - I use doublespace with a large disk cache.
> 
> 	Also, while I'm here, I want to say thanks to Joe Doupnik (I used
> to go to school at USU!) and Frank da Cruz for MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. 
> NOTHING but Kermit will work over this damn Xyplex, and I'm really glad
> it's out there.  A couple suggestions:  Have the percentage efficiency and
> CPS rating be updated in realtime during the transfer, like most other
> common protocols do.  I currently have to stop the transfer to see these. 
> Given that most folx need to play with the settings, this would be a nice
> touch.  Also, since you seem to be aiming for maximum configurablility, 
> how about an option to completely turn off ALL error checking in the 
> protocol (like Ymodem-G)?  It would add another little speed boost to 
> those who have EC modems.
> 	I'll live with ~1150 cps if I *have* to, but I see no reason why 
> I couldn't come close to 1600, *if* Windows worked.  Any help is appreciated.
> 
> 	-Jon
-----------------
	You have two knobs to twist: "how much/packet length" and "time/window
slots". Window slots cover up for delays of transmission and analysis time,
by allowing the transmitter to continue sending before the receiver's ACKs 
arrive. Simply lengthening packets tries to cover up trasmission delays and
analysis time by having fewer intervals between packets, and of course fewer 
header bytes to be exchanged too. But longer packets mean real buffering 
problems along the route, as you seem to have discovered.
	I suggest backing down some. Use smaller packets and at least two
window slots. The product can be a few K bytes or less, depending on your
particular site. Then that nasty flow control problem needs some probing,
if possible.

	Your suggestions. Per packet window decorations cost performance,
and "efficiency" figures apply only to serial port comms (and not very
well to them these days with higher speeds on the DTE-DCE path than on the
telco wires). We won't even consider turning off error detection: not only
are modems not always error correcting, and never perfectly so even then,
but there are a host of other causes of trouble, and you are assuming that
checking is a serious performance penalty. Y-modem is hardly a protocol at 
all: it's a send & pray scheme. 
	Speaking in harsh terms it is my feeling that secure file transfers 
are more important by far than either visual entertainment or games about the
last bit/second; after all, within reason what is being transfered ought to be
more important than the act of transferral.

	I hope you can sort out that horrid Xyplex terminal server problem.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit & the strange DOS machine
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In article <wpfulmorD1pIp4.Aon@netcom.com>, wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) writes:
> I have a single board 8 mhz 8088 MSDOS computer which is an expansion 
> board to a unix based computer.  COM1 is irrevocably tied to a 
> non-standard on-board-modem.  COM2 is said to be a standard PC serial 
> port, which *was* driven by an NS 8250.   COM2 is *now* driven by an NS 
> 16550.   \|^)
> 
> After starting Kermit (3.13 patch 20) in the usual fashion, if I 'set port 2'
> Kermit finds and acknowleges the existance of the 16550 in response to
> either 'sho comm' or 'sho mod'.  If I start Kermit with 'set port 2' in
> the command line, it does *not* acknowlege the existance of the 16550.  I 
> don't know if Kermit finds the 16550 under that circumstance (I have 
> commented out 'set port 1' in mscustom.ini).
> 
> If I 'dial nnnnnnn', Kermit initializes the modem (Dataport 14400) at
> 57600, dials the number and connects at 14400.  With very little tuning, I
> transferred a text file at 2600~2700cps apparently error free from the
> remote Kermit 5A(189) putting out allegedly at 38400. 
> 
> So why am I using this bandwidth?

	I don't quite understand this last question. Your telco line is 
limited to 14,400 bps plus whatever compression can do (in Kermit, in the
modem). 2600 cps is about 26,000 bps equivalent and that implies a
compression of 2:1 (rather better than average).
 
> 1. Kermit takes 13 minutes from pressing <return> following the dial 
> command to actually dialing the number.  It frequently takes so long to 
> return to the prompt after connection is made that the connection drops 
> before I can get the remote's attention.  "output atdtnnnnnnn\13' is a 
> crude work-around.

	That's a sure sign of hardware troubles (interrupts are lost, 
horribly for example).
 
> 2. Escaping from connect to local is prompt, but connecting back to 
> remote takes a *long* time.
	Ditto.
 
> 3. In interactive operation as a vt100 and with 'set flo rts/cts' a 
> very few characters are dropped, not enough to cause problems - but - The 
> screen is written only a few lines at a time with long pauses in 
> between.  I suspect the remote gets bored with the constant hardware halts & 
> looses interest.  If I 'set flo none' the screen is uninteligible.  

	Flow control is the likely suspect and the other end thinks
you have stopped the flow. Again, serious hardware problems can mess up
serial port handshaking.
 
> I suspect that this behavior is caused by Kermit's finding the 
> non-standard modem at COM1 and using BIOS thereafter.  Can anyone verify 
> my suspicions?  Is there a way to fool Kermit or to cause it to find COM2 
> only?  Do any other non-standard hardware features cause Kermit to slow 
> down in this fashion?

	Kermit will tell your about BIOSn. Just use SHOW COM to see it.
SET PORT COM2 tells Kermit to use that port, and be sure there are no
port-sensing commands before it (SHOW COM is a sensing command) so that
the default COM1 is not touched by them. Try placing SET PORT COM2 near
the top of file mskermit.ini to ensure that's the default port when the
scripts run.
	"Non-standard hardware features" covers rather much territory and I
hesitate to begin speculating what your computer really looks like at the
hardware level.
	Joe D.

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Subject: smartcomm script! wanted
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Hi can you help me eith getting a hayes smartcom 14400 card to work under
kermit?
I tried a few scripts from the beta 17 but could not get the card to
acknowledge kermit 
Thanks in advance.


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Subject: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz*
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The University does not support sz So I ahve switched to Kermit, bu I am 
having major problems with binary files (zip,jpg,gif....) I have no 
problems with .hqx or text files.  I am new to kermit and I have read the 
help a number of times but it seems to be to no avail, my speed is fine 
but all binaries are thrashed after the transfer. If you need more infor 
from me please write and I'll tell you what I can.

Thanx,

Dave


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3e1ub0$92h@pacifier.com>, Mike Freeman <mikef@pacifier.com> wrote:
>Uh, what's "Kerlite"?
>
KERLITE.EXE is a small-size edition of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.  It has no
CONNECT command and no network support.  It is designed to be used as an
external Kermit protocol and/or script execution engine in BBS and other
embedded applications.

There is also a medium-sized edition called KERMITE.EXE, which includes
text terminal emulation, but lacks graphics terminal emulation and network
support.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Where's the last version ?
Date: 2 Jan 1995 16:37:53 GMT
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In article <3e3pniINNped@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr>,
Daniel Azuelos <dan@pasteur.fr> wrote:
>Please, where's the last working version of Kermit for Mac ?
>
CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT

As of: Sat Nov 12 11:00:53 1994

*** BULLETIN ***
Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with
downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x).  Now files can be downloaded
on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS
7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects.  It should also fix certain
binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when
downloading in binary mode.
*****************

The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988.  Unfortunately, it
does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems.  However, newer
versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on
these old models.

A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result
(so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most
purposes.

The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is
0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190).  It is available via anonymous FTP
from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f.

A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is
complete.  Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will
be.  Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for
further announcements.  You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending
email to LISTSERV@CUVMA.BITNET (or LISTSERV@CUVMA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) containing
the text:

  SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here

Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the
kermit/f directory:

  ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format
  ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988)
  ckmker.ps  -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40)
  ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc
  ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font

and in the kermit/charsets directory:

  maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself

Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details.

(End of ckmaaa.hlp)




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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: smartcomm script! wanted
Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:08:45 GMT
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In article <D1rHC0.Gs8@freenet.carleton.ca>,
Simon C.Hall <be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>Hi can you help me eith getting a hayes smartcom 14400 card to work under
>kermit?
>I tried a few scripts from the beta 17 but could not get the card to
>acknowledge kermit 
>
Did you try ULTRA144.SCR?  That one is for Hayes Ultra 14400 bps modems,
tested successfully on external models.  Evidently you have an internal
modem.  First you have to give a SET PORT command to tell Kermit which
port it's on, in case it is not on COM1.  If you did that and it still
doesn't work, then all the cautions about address and interrupt conflicts
apply.

Please read Section 6, "Troubleshooting MS-DOS Kermit Serial Port and Modem
Problems", in the KERMIT.BWR file.

By the way, an easy way to debug dialing troubles is to simply CONNECT to
the port and type AT commands to the modem yourself.  You don't *have* to
use dialing scripts to dial.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz*
Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:12:19 GMT
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In article <glaserd.789043606@ucsub.colorado.edu>,
Endo the river rat <glaserd@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> wrote:
>The University does not support sz So I ahve switched to Kermit, bu I am 
>having major problems with binary files (zip,jpg,gif....) I have no 
>problems with .hqx or text files.  I am new to kermit and I have read the 
>help a number of times but it seems to be to no avail, my speed is fine 
>but all binaries are thrashed after the transfer. If you need more infor 
>from me please write and I'll tell you what I can.
>
Which Kermit programs are you using, and which version of each one?  On
what kind of computer?  Using what connection method?  etc etc.  It's
always a good idea to include a few relevant facts in trouble reports --
remember, there are hundreds of different Kermit programs running on
probably thousands of different machine/OS/OS-version combinations.

Anyway, the most likely explanation of the problem is that you failed to
tell Kermit to transfer the files in binary mode.  Kermit (unlike sz)
uses text mode by default.  Just tell (at least) the file sender to:

  SET FILE TYPE BINARY

For safety (since you did not say what Kermit software you are using),
give this command to both Kermit programs before starting the transfer.

- Frank

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In <glaserd.789043606@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> glaserd@ucsub.Colorado.EDU (Endo the river rat) writes:

>The University does not support sz So I ahve switched to Kermit, bu I am 
>having major problems with binary files (zip,jpg,gif....) I have no 
>problems with .hqx or text files.  I am new to kermit and I have read the 
>help a number of times but it seems to be to no avail, my speed is fine 
>but all binaries are thrashed after the transfer. If you need more infor 
>from me please write and I'll tell you what I can.

You have to tell both sides that the file is binary.  On the unix side, add
a -i flag to your kermit command line (or if you're talking to the C-Kermit>
prompt, tell it "set file type binary" before "send" or "server"); on the
Mac side (obviously what you're using) look under one of the menus for file
transfer options and set the binary mode.  (It's been a LONG time since I've
used MacKermit...)  (for those who use DOS, SET FILE TYPE BINARY at the
MS-Kermit> prompt.... and for those as have the beta release, doing it on
the DOS side automagically does it on the Unix side, too... I don't know if
this requires 5A(190) or not...) 

Kermit won't eat your binaries if you tell it not to... GIGO, however..

warp eight bot, little froggy type dude
Kermit.  It's not just a file transfer anymore.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2
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In article <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com>,
Mark Foley <mfoley@infinet.com> wrote:
>I have been using KERMIT for years and years and am a fan.  I have
>bought the book and everything (I don't have it now though).  Anyway the
>minor problem I have is this: I have been using c-kermit 5A(189) for
>OS/2 for quite awhile now.  Appearently, the modem I was using raised
>the carrier signal because it worked just fine.  I just bought a new US
>Robotics 14400 external modem today and hooked it up to my OS/2 machine. 
>Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or
>something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem.  I have
>done 'set ?' and various other commands looking for a fix - 'set carrier
>on' doesn't do it. 
>
Please read about the SET CARRIER command.  It lets you adjust Kermit to
the behavior of your modem.  The default is SET CARRIER AUTO, which means
to NOT require carrier during DIAL operation, but to require it during
CONNECT mode.  SET CARRIER ON means to require it at all times, so of
course that doesn't work if your modem is following RS-232.  SET CARRIER
OFF means to ignore carrier.

>I know I can just flip the modem dip switch to make carrier always on,
>but this seems wrong. I have extensive experience in RS-232
>communications and carrier is, in fact, suppose to be related to the
>actual carrier signal between the connected modems. Why is kermit
>looking for carrier before I've even dialed? Doesn't make sense!
>
It won't do that unless you told it to.  Look in your CKERMIT.INI or
CKERMOD.INI file for "set carrier on".  You probably put this command
in there a while back and forgot about it.

Also, I'd recommend you upgrade to version 5A(190), which is light-years
ahead of 5A(189) in its capabilities.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: File transfers are too slow
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In article <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu>,
Jon M. Taylor <taylorj@ecs.ecs.csus.edu> wrote:
>Situation:  I am connecting from my home computer (486/33, 
>v.32bis modem, latest beta DOS kermit 3.14) to the university computer 
>(HP 9000/715, OS 9.x)  Via a Xyplex terminal server ...
>	Anyway, I have compiled 5A(190) for HPUX, and it seems to work
>correctly (so far, anyway).  I get maximal throughput with packet length
>set to 2000 (more works OK, but doesn't seem to make a difference in
>throughtput), all the control characters from the FAST macro enabled, and
>windows set to 1.  My modem DTR is locked at 38400, compression and error
>correction enabled, and it connects to the Xyplex at 14.4k with
>compression and EC on.  With this setup, I get ~1150 CPS. 
>	Here's the rub:  Things start breaking down with any other window
>setting than 1.
>...
>- c-kermit on the HP initially uses XON/XOFF.  I'm not sure whether to 
>change this or not - would the Xyplex need it?  I *think* the xyplex uses 
>XON/XOFF to talk to the HP and DSR/DTR to talk to my modem....
>
Like it says in the documentation...  tell C-Kermit on the host to
"set flow none".  It has a TCP/IP connection (TELNET or RLOGIN) to the
terminal server, and the network protocol itself provides the flow control.
Disabling Xon/Xoff in this situation should perk things up quite a bit.

Second, make sure you have RTS/CTS enabled in MS-DOS Kermit on your PC
*and* on your modem.  Most of our high-speed dialing scripts take care
of this automatically.

I don't know a huge amount about Annexes, but I'll speculate that you
are uploading.  Many kinds of terminal servers were designed to have
big buffers in the host-to-terminal direction and small ones in the
opposite direction.  This is bad for uploading files.  At the very least,
the system/network administrators must ensure an extremely effective
and responsive method of flow control between the terminal server and the
answering modem (preferably RTS/CTS).  Better still, perhaps they can
reconfigure the terminal servers to allocate buffer space more equitably.

Or maybe the Annex has some kind of command that you can give at its
prompt that will condition it for file transfers, similar to the Cisco
terminal server's "terminal download" command.

Finally, about the window size -- please read in the documentation about
sliding windows.  The file receiver will never use a window size greater
than 1, even if a larger size has been SET and successfully negotiated,
unless packets are lost or damaged.  That's because normally packets
arrive in their correct order and therefore each one is disposed of
promptly as it arrives.

>	Also, while I'm here, I want to say thanks to Joe Doupnik (I used
>to go to school at USU!) and Frank da Cruz for MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. 
>NOTHING but Kermit will work over this damn Xyplex, and I'm really glad
>it's out there.
>
Thanks.

>A couple suggestions:  Have the percentage efficiency and
>CPS rating be updated in realtime during the transfer, like most other
>common protocols do.
>
C-Kermit does this (when you use SET FILE DISPLAY FULLSCREEN), but
generally speaking, size and efficiency are a bigger issue for MS-DOS
Kermit, which must still run on 4.77MHz 8088s.  Maybe some day this could
be added as an option, but not in version 3.14.

>Also, since you seem to be aiming for maximum configurablility, 
>how about an option to completely turn off ALL error checking in the 
>protocol (like Ymodem-G)?  It would add another little speed boost to 
>those who have EC modems.
>
As Joe says, and has been explained repeatedly on many newsgroups,
most recently on comp.dcom.modems, this would be a false economy.  Even
if modem connections could be regarded as 100% reliable and error-free,
there are end-to-end issues of flow and error control, not to mention
presentation issues, etc, that are beyond the modems' sphere of
influence.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit & the strange DOS machine
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In article <wpfulmorD1pIp4.Aon@netcom.com>,
william p fulmor <wpfulmor@netcom.com> wrote:
>I have a single board 8 mhz 8088 MSDOS computer which is an expansion 
>board to a unix based computer.  COM1 is irrevocably tied to a 
>non-standard on-board-modem.  COM2 is said to be a standard PC serial 
>port, which *was* driven by an NS 8250.   COM2 is *now* driven by an NS 
>16550.   \|^)
>
>After starting Kermit (3.13 patch 20) in the usual fashion, ...
>
Please try 3.14 Beta.  There have been many improvements in the RS-232
(dealing with modem signals) area, which might affect your situation.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary
mode, file mstibm.zip.  Unzip with "-d" switch.  Read top-level READ.ME
to get started.

>...
>1. Kermit takes 13 minutes from pressing <return> following the dial 
>command to actually dialing the number.
>
This sounds like repeated flow-control failures and long timeout waits
(about 15 seconds each).  This probably means that Kermit has been told
to SET FLOW RTS/CTS prior to dialing, but that the modem has not been
configured for RTS/CTS, or does not use it properly while in command mode.

Try SET FLOW NONE during dialing, and then (if it works) change to SET
FLOW RTS/CTS after dialing is complete.

>2. Escaping from connect to local is prompt, but connecting back to 
>remote takes a *long* time.
>
Again, it sounds like your modem is not asserting CTS at the time when
CONNECT.  Make sure Kermit and the modem are *both* set for RTS/CTS
flow control.  If that doesn't help, I'd say the modem is probably not
working right -- or your cable does not connect the RTS and CTS terminals
on each side to their counterparts on the other.

>3. In interactive operation as a vt100 and with 'set flo rts/cts' a 
>very few characters are dropped, not enough to cause problems - but - The 
>screen is written only a few lines at a time with long pauses in 
>between.
>
Same deal, again.

- Frank

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From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop)
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Subject: APC on kermit for oS/2 help needed???
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I have been trying to get apc to work on ckermit 190 for OS/2. I am running
ckermit 190 for os/2 using its network features, which are fantastic (thanks
a lot for that). Here are the two unix scripts I use to try and do this:

echo '<ESC>_set file type binary, receive <ESC>\'
$HOME/bin/kermit -y $HOME/bin/kermit.ini -i -s $1

and

echo '<ESC>_set file type text, receive <ESC>\'
$HOME/bin/kermit -y $HOME/bin/kermit.ini -i -s $1

Now, the kermit.ini is like this:

set delay 1
set window 4
set block 3
set receive packet-length 9024
SET RECEIVE PATH OFF
set send packet-length 9024
set terminal apc on
SET FILE COLL OVERWRITE
SET FILE DISPLAY QUIET

OK, ckermit 190 for OS/2 is in VT220 mode with APC turned on. If I run the
script for the first time it simply returns me to the ckermit> prompt. I
then have to connect and control-c out of ckermit on the unix box. I can
then re-run the script the exact same way, and it works <GRIN>. Now, why is
this? Keep in mind, both kermits are 190 level. I compiled the unix one just
recently from the source on kermit.columbia.edu.

Jeff

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Hi,

Could someone tell me where I can locate the KERMIT FAQ?  Also any suggestions
for some books on KERMIT?

I have some things I would liek to fix.  I got a new pc  with a built in modem
on COM 3.  Kermit doesn't seem to reconize it.  I have a basic understanding of
computers and use them a lot at work, but am not to familiar with kermit other
then the basic aspect of transferring files and using it to make my a pc a
dummy terminal for work (its a NEC pentium 66 mhz connecting to a VAX/VMS
system at work).  

I wanted to know how to change packet size's and window sizes to speed up
transfers (at the moment I am using my older pc for kermiting on COM2, but
would like to use my bulit in one if I can figure out how to get it to work!)

Any tips/ideas/suggestions would be mucho apprecieated,
Thanks
Jonathan  jf_adams@unhf.unh.edu

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <lk32luqcZ$jG075yn@primenet.com>, jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes:
> After examining kermit packets closely a friend has determined two strings
> that can be used to start kermit transfers automatically from {COMMO} (any
> other term program for that matter). This is not using the APC logic described
> in kermit.upd though.
> 
> The two strings are:
> 
> For upload I am using   "^a# N3" download              "^a5 S~".
> 
> I have tested this and it works using msdos kermit on both sides.
-----------
	Only if
	a) Control-A is used as the start of packet character, and
	   the checksum is correct
	b) this pattern can never exist in real data
	c) the other end is willing to send idle NAKs
	The S packet material is vital, is not nearly so short as you
have describe, and must not be broken into pieces.
	Unfortunately, none of a..c is a requirement. Maybe your friend should 
also examine the protocol specs carefully to see the variations. In general, 
there is no safe pattern.
        Joe D.

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From: tick@cs.nyu.edu (Leo J. Tick)
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Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz*
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I was getting ready to raise theis point. v 190 macch unix-pc. I set
the file type binary on local. The transfer screen says text. As
F. de C. says you have to tell both sides. However this was not the case
in 189. Is this a global change or is it a bad build in the unic-pc.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: where find FAQ, com3, packet size
Date: 3 Jan 1995 00:52:24 GMT
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In article <2JAN199514111085@unhf.unh.edu>,
<jf_adams@unhf.unh.edu> wrote:
>Could someone tell me where I can locate the KERMIT FAQ?
>
Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file faq.txt.

>Also any suggestions for some books on KERMIT?
>
Listed below.

>I have some things I would liek to fix.  I got a new pc with a built in modem
>on COM 3.  Kermit doesn't seem to reconize it.
>
Please read the KERMIT.BWR that comes on your MS-DOS Kermit diskette,
the section about PC serial ports and internal modems.  It will tell what
you need to know.

>I wanted to know how to change packet size's and window sizes to speed up
>transfers (at the moment I am using my older pc for kermiting on COM2, but
>would like to use my bulit in one if I can figure out how to get it to work!)
>
If it doesn't use a nonstandard address or IRQ, and if there is no IRQ
conflict, just tell Kermit to "set port com3".  If that doesn't do it, then
please read the aforementioned file.

For increasing packet sizes and other methods of making file transfers go
faster, please read the aforementioned FAQ.

                           KERMIT BOOK LIST

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and
compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in:

    Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital
    Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
    1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
    IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.  In computer
    and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from
    Digital Press.

A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany
    (1991), 414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for
    the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette,
    including German- language help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W.
    Selke.  ISBN 3-88229-006-4.

And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme
    edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.
    Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2,
    and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean
    Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.

There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the
NEC PC9801:

    Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today
    Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages.
    ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2,
AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is
documented in:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital
    Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN
    1-55558-108-0.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
    Columbia University or from Digital Press.

A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und
    Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).  ISBN
    3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book,
which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data
communications, and using Kermit:

    Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press /
    Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN
    0-932376-88-6.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
    Columbia University or from Digital Press.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating
systems is available from Columbia University.  Contact Columbia for a
free Kermit software catalog.


-----------------------------------------------------------------------

                                 HOW TO ORDER

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS:

   1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from the publisher,
      Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann with MasterCard, Visa, or
      American Express:

          +1 800 366-2665     (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada)
          +44 993 58521       (Rushden, England office for Europe)
          +61 2 372-5511      (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ)
          +65 220-3684        (Singapore office for Asia)

   2. From Columbia University:

          Kermit Development and Distribution
          Columbia University Academic Information Systems
          612 West 115th Street
          New York, NY  10025  USA
          Tel.  +1 212 854-3703
          Fax.  +1 212 663-8202
          E-Mail: kermit@columbia.edu

      Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Add $5 US for shipping
      outside of North America.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or
      Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for
      checks not drawn on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not
      include sales tax.  Quantity discounts are available.
      Single-copy US prices (in US dollars):

          Using MS-DOS Kermit  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95
          Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95
          Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . .$ 29.95
          All three  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 79.95

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS:

        MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: DM 69,00
        C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . DM 90,00

        Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG
        Helstorfer Strasse 7
        D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY
        Tel.  +49 (05 11) 53 52-0
        Fax.  +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

FRENCH:  Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi:  . . . . . . . . . . .  FF 495,00

        Heinz Schiefer & Cie.
        45 rue Henri de Regnier
        F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE
        Tel.  +33 39 53 95 26
        Fax.  +33 39 02 39 71

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

JAPANESE:  MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  1,800 Y

        Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd.
        Abe-toku Building
        2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku
        Tokyo 101, JAPAN
        Tel.  +81-3-3256-1091

-----------------------------------------------------------------------


- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz*
Date: 3 Jan 1995 00:56:44 GMT
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In article <3e9ovm$9e0@murray.cs.nyu.edu>, Leo J. Tick <tick@cs.nyu.edu> wrote:
>I was getting ready to raise theis point. v 190 macch unix-pc. I set
>the file type binary on local. The transfer screen says text. As
>F. de C. says you have to tell both sides. However this was not the case
>in 189. Is this a global change or is it a bad build in the unic-pc.
>
Prior to C-Kermit 5A(190), MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and IBM Mainframe Kermit
4.3.1, the file transfer mode, text or binary, was ALWAYS governed by the
file sender (as long as both Kermits supported and had successfully
negotiated the use of File Attribute packets and the "file type"
attribute).  The file sender tells the file receiver the transfer mode,
and the file receiver switches accordingly, automatically.

In the new versions, but only when the two Kermit programs have a
client/server relationship, it is the *client* that determines the
transfer mode, no matter whether it is sending or receiving.  This change
was made by popular demand, to address the following scenario:

 1. User starts remote Kermit, puts it in server mode.

 2. User escapes back to local Kermit and tells it to:

      SET FILE TYPE BINARY
      GET OOFA.ZIP

Previously, OOFA.ZIP would arrive in text mode.  Now it arrives in
binary mode.

Please read the KERMIT.UPD (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14) or ckcker.upd (C-Kermit
5A(190)) for a fuller explanation.

- Frank

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From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman)
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Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz*
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In article <taliesinD1sF91.633@netcom.com>,
Glenn R. Stone <taliesin@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>used MacKermit...)  (for those who use DOS, SET FILE TYPE BINARY at the
>MS-Kermit> prompt.... and for those as have the beta release, doing it on
>the DOS side automagically does it on the Unix side, too... I don't know if
>this requires 5A(190) or not...) 
>
It does.





-- 
Mike Freeman            |       Internet: mikef@pacifier.com
GEnie: M.FREEMAN11      |       Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ
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From: dhiltz@whsun1.whoi.edu (David Hiltz)
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Subject: Re: Simple Unix Menu Driven Interface
Date: 4 Jan 1995 00:30:51 GMT
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David A. Berk (dab@cnj.digex.net) wrote:

: I'm looking for a menu driven interface that I could set up on a Unix account
: and specify an incoming and outgoing directory that Procomm users could
: upload and download to.  Any help appreciated.

  MenuPerl gives you simple menuing capability.  You are going to have your
  Procomm users log onto a Unix host and run a menu program?  If so,
  menuperl will do the job.

   -----------
   David Hiltz
   dhiltz@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu
   Network System Administrator
   Northeast Fisheries Science Center
   ######&@&######


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From: mfoley@infinet.com (Mark Foley)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In article <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com>,
: Mark Foley <mfoley@infinet.com> wrote:
: > (stuff deleted)
: >Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or
: >something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem.  I have
: >done 'set ?' and various other commands looking for a fix - 'set carrier
: >on' doesn't do it. 
: >
: Please read about the SET CARRIER command.  It lets you adjust Kermit to
: the behavior of your modem.  The default is SET CARRIER AUTO, which means
: to NOT require carrier during DIAL operation, but to require it during
: CONNECT mode.  SET CARRIER ON means to require it at all times, so of
: course that doesn't work if your modem is following RS-232.  SET CARRIER
: OFF means to ignore carrier.

: It won't do that unless you told it to.  Look in your CKERMIT.INI or
: CKERMOD.INI file for "set carrier on".  You probably put this command
: in there a while back and forgot about it.

: Also, I'd recommend you upgrade to version 5A(190), which is light-years
: ahead of 5A(189) in its capabilities.

: - Frank

Thanks for the tips. I was confused about the ON/OFF meaning in SET
CARRIER. I though SET CARRIER ON meant SET the CARRIER ON (or act like
is set on, anyway). There is no SET CARRIER ... in either CKERMIT.INI
or CKERMOD.INI. SET CARRIER AUTO still gave me the same problem.
However, SET CARRIER OFF works just fine. I am writing this via OS/2
Kermit. I will get version 5A(190) ASAP.

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From: Gianluca Attura <mc8114@mclink.it>
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Subject: new kermit docs
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I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new 
Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities.

Regargs


Luca




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I'm looking for a menu driven interface that I could set up on a Unix account
and specify an incoming and outgoing directory that Procomm users could
upload and download to.  Any help appreciated.

thanks;
-- 

David Barak
dab@cnj.digex.com

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Please bear with my ignorance...

I want to download files from my UNIX account to DOS.  I have been using
a dated modem program (CrossTalk).  I know a little ProComm too.

When I invoke Kermit once in my UNIX shell it comes up C-Kermit>.  I
enter 'receive <file name>'.  After a long delay I get a 'too many 
retries' message.

Can someone help or recommend a *brief* guide to Kermit (I ftp'ed an
enormous MSKermit.doc and the faq file wasn't terribly helpful).

Thanks for your time and patience

private e-mail preferred

Jim Leftwich
leftwich@cloud9.net
"I'm on Cloud9!" :)




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To handle repetitive tasks I've resorted to the public domain package
known as kermit. Even though I'm on a full blown TCPIP network
with telnet and rsh available everywhere Kermit is convenient
to "automate" tasks.

Works rather well, 
Commands that complete quickly work great.
Commands that take a long time, timeout , prematuring terminating the process.
I've discovered that
REMOTE SET SERVER TIMEOUT 0
will make the timeout value infinite, but
I still timeout with:
"Sent too many NAKs"

Its especially attrocious when I want to mix a workload of
quick executing commands and long executing commands.

All my scripts are short, and are basically single script commands
with lots of continuation. This is probably why I can't mix.

small sample of a test script:

; SET NETWORK TCP/IP
LOG SESSION output.out
SET HOST node
script gin:--gin:--gin: root word: passwd ]> who ]> date ]> \
who~sam~si~s& ]> \
jobs~s~-l ]> \
who~sam~si ]> quit
; SET HOST

Anybody got any bright ideas?

David Shapiro
shapiro@minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com

PPS
IBM Corp
(914) 432-8018

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From: ss5@irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (Steffen Schwigon)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: How to continue a broken `get'?  &&  Where is the FAQ?
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Hi!

I'm using C-Kermit under Linux and Ultrix to get files from the 
Ultrix machine to my Linux box over a modem connection. Sometimes 
the connection goes down. Is there any chance to continue the 
`get' command on a file?

(Actually I split the file into a lot of small parts and use
`set file collision discard'. But I still have to delete the last 
broken file.)

Maybe this is a FAQ, so please write where I can find the FAQ.

(Greeti+Tha)nX
Steffen
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: How to continue a broken `get'?  &&  Where is the FAQ?
Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:09:59 GMT
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In article <3ebsd9$3k6@irz404.inf.tu-dresden.de>,
Steffen Schwigon <schwigon@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de> wrote:
>I'm using C-Kermit under Linux and Ultrix to get files from the 
>Ultrix machine to my Linux box over a modem connection. Sometimes 
>the connection goes down. Is there any chance to continue the 
>`get' command on a file?
>
Yes.

The new releases of Kermit software (some of them still in Beta) --
C-Kermit 5A(190), MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (Beta), and IBM Mainframe Kermit
4.3.1 (Beta) -- allow a binary-mode file transfer to be resumed from the
point of failure.  Simply RESEND the file.

See the appropriate update notices for details: KERMIT.UPD for MS-DOS
Kermit 3.14, ckcker.upd for C-Kermit, etc.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3ec7fo$9ol@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com>,
 <shapiro@minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com> wrote:
>To handle repetitive tasks I've resorted to the public domain package
>known as kermit.
>
It's not public domain.  Read the copyright notice.

>Even though I'm on a full blown TCPIP network
>with telnet and rsh available everywhere Kermit is convenient
>to "automate" tasks.
>
>Works rather well, 
>Commands that complete quickly work great.
>Commands that take a long time, timeout , prematuring terminating the 
>process.  I've discovered that
>REMOTE SET SERVER TIMEOUT 0
>will make the timeout value infinite, but I still timeout with:
>"Sent too many NAKs"
>
This type of message appears when a file transfer fails.  A NAK (Negative
Acknowledgement) occurs when an expected packet does not arrive within the
specified (or default) timeout interval, or when it arrives in damaged
condition (e.g. back checksum).

The only "commands" that time out are file transfers and other protocol-
driven operations (client/server stuff) and script programming commands
that expect certain inputs within a specified or default amount of time.

You can control protocol-related timeouts with the SET { SEND, RECEIVE }
TIMEOUT command.  { REMOTE } SET SERVER TIMEOUT controls only one thing:
whether Kermit, when in server mode, sends periodic NAKs while waiting
for commands, i.e. when it is doing nothing.  These NAKs are normally not
needed, but if the Kermit program on the other end is not capable of
timing out (e.g. early versions, circa 1981, of CP/M Kermit), then this
would be the only way to break the deadlock that would occur if a
server command packet sent by a non-timing-out client were to be lost
in transit.

>Its especially attrocious when I want to mix a workload of
>quick executing commands and long executing commands.
>All my scripts are short, and are basically single script commands
>with lots of continuation. This is probably why I can't mix.
>
All you have to do is read the manual.

>small sample of a test script:
>
>; SET NETWORK TCP/IP
>LOG SESSION output.out
>SET HOST node
>script gin:--gin:--gin: root word: passwd ]> who ]> date ]> \
>who~sam~si~s& ]> \
>jobs~s~-l ]> \
>who~sam~si ]> quit
>
In this example, you are using the old uucp-style SCRIPT command,
which is not the best way to write scripts because it is cryptic,
limited, and inflexible.  There is a much more readable, powerful,
and flexible script programming language that is documented in
chapters 11-13 of the manual (see below).  It lets you (for example)
specify an explicit timeout on each item.  Your example above might
be recoded as something like this:

  LOG SESSION output.out
  SET HOST node
  SET INPUT ECHO ON ; (or OFF, as you wish)
  INPUT 20 gin:
  IF FAIL STOP 1 {Failure to get Login prompt}
  OUTPUT root\13
  INPUT 5 word:
  IF FAIL STOP 1 {Failure to get password prompt}
  SET INPUT TIMEOUT QUIT
  INPUT 30 ]>
  OUTPUT who\13
  INPUT 10 ]>
  OUTPUT date\13
  INPUT 10 ]>
  OUTPUT who am i\13
  INPUT 10 ]>
  OUTPUT jobs -l\13

>Anybody got any bright ideas?
>
Read the manual?

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $45 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
  a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.
  Inquire about quantity discounts.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada)
    +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada)
    +44 993 58521   (Rushden, England office for Europe)
    +61 2 372-5511  (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand)
    +65 220-3684    (Singapore office for Asia)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und
    Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).
    ISBN 3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price: DM 90,00.  
    Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.
    Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29.

- Frank

P.S. I sympathize with people who don't like the SCRIPT command.  Once the
INPUT/OUTPUT/IF/GOTO/FOR/WHILE/etc style of script programming was added to
C-Kermit in version 5A, I was tempted to yank it out, but of course I could
not because many people depended on it.  People who want to write new
scripts, however, are encouraged to use the new features rather than the
old SCRIPT command unless they are totally comfortable with the SCRIPT
command and its limitations.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: new kermit docs
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In article <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it>,
Gianluca Attura  <mc8114@mclink.it> wrote:
>I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new 
>Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities.
>
Long packets are not new.  They are documented in the Kermit protocol
specification:

  Frank da Cruz, "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", Digital Press,
  Bedford, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6.

The *use* of long packets is documented in the user manuals for each
Kermit program, such as "Using MS-DOS Kermit", "Using C-Kermit".

APC capabilities are relatively recent.  They are documented in the
update notes that come with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 or later (KERMIT.UPD),
C-Kermit 5A(190) or later (CKERMIT.INF for OS/2, ckcker.upd for UNIX,
VMS, etc).

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit newbie
Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:39:32 GMT
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950103233928.7771A-100000@cloud9.net>,
James Leftwich  <leftwich@cloud9.net> wrote:
>I want to download files from my UNIX account to DOS.  I have been using
>a dated modem program (CrossTalk).  I know a little ProComm too.
>
>When I invoke Kermit once in my UNIX shell it comes up C-Kermit>.  I
>enter 'receive <file name>'.  After a long delay I get a 'too many 
>retries' message.
>
>Can someone help or recommend a *brief* guide to Kermit (I ftp'ed an
>enormous MSKermit.doc and the faq file wasn't terribly helpful).
>
When the "UNIX shell comes up C-Kermit>", that's called a prompt.
Just above the prompt it said:

  Type ? or HELP for help

Did you try that?

In any case, if you think about it for a second, if you want to download
a file, you have to tell the software the name of the file to be downloaded.
So, for example, if the file's name was "oofa.txt", you would type, in
response to the C-Kermit> prompt:

  send oofa.txt

Then you would instruct your terminal program to receive the file.
Obviously (I hope), you must also instruct your terminal program to use
Kermit protocol.

For further information, please read the pertinent manuals.

- Frank

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I have been using mskermit (version 3.13 and 3.14) to connect to the
UNIX account through a modem from my PC at home. The Xyplex terminal
server for the UNIX account supports SLIP, CSLIP, PPP. Using the
packet drivers slipper.exe, cslipper.exe, I have succesfully made the
connection though the internel TCP/IP support of mskermit. It works
great.

However, it seems that mskermit does not work with PPP. I am using the
Merit packet driver ppp.exe (from EtherPPP.zip). The parameters that I
set for the TCP connection must be right, since the same parameters 
(IP addresses, gateway, nameservers, etc) work well with NCSA telnet,
CUTCP, WATTCP. Going through the documents of kermit, I only find that
mskermit supports Telbits(spelling?) PPP. Am I still doing something
wrong? 

BTW, using my 1.44k (V.32bis) modem (with V.42 error correction,
V.42bis data compression enabled), I can still only get ~1.2kbytes/s
for down loading (in CSLIP) for pre-compressed files (zip files). I
have tried everything: (a) set the modem right (b) set receive
packet-length, window, (c) control unprefixed (except for 0, 1, 155).
On the same line, with ftp from NCSA or CUTCP, 1.7kb/s can be achived.



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From: BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan)
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Subject: ESC[0m ???
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   Ok, I've not played with ANSI sequences much - but dug out the trusty 
   "Using MS-DOS Kermit" text (both for the sequences and the ASCII tables) 
   to tackle today's problem.

   I'm adding a "diskquota display" to our menu system and would like to 
   have the "you're over your quota, delete files now" message come up in
   red.  No problem - "ESC[0;31m DELETE FILES ESC[0m", right?  Now, on the
   DECterm I use it's a RED DELETE and back to normal colors.  Kermit (in
   both 3.13 and 3.14) doesn't reset to the original colors with that ANSI
   sequence, although the text appears to indicate that it will.

   Any idea on this one?  Is it a Kermit problem or simply my own bit of
   ANSI newbie-dom showing (in which case there's a better sequence for 
   resetting colors, right?  :^)

   andrew.  (brennan@hal.hahnemann.edu)


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In article <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu>,
A. Andrew Brennan <BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU> wrote:
>   I'm adding a "diskquota display" to our menu system and would like to 
>   have the "you're over your quota, delete files now" message come up in
>   red.  No problem - "ESC[0;31m DELETE FILES ESC[0m", right?  Now, on the
>   DECterm I use it's a RED DELETE and back to normal colors.  Kermit (in
>   both 3.13 and 3.14) doesn't reset to the original colors with that ANSI
>   sequence, although the text appears to indicate that it will.
>
>   Any idea on this one?  Is it a Kermit problem or simply my own bit of
>   ANSI newbie-dom showing (in which case there's a better sequence for 
>   resetting colors, right?  :^)
>
From the KERMIT.UPD for version 3.14:

SET TERMINAL COLOR 20
  If Kermit receives a "reset visual attributes" escape sequence (CSI 0 m)
  from the host, this does not affect the screen coloration.  However, some
  applications expect it to restore the default fore- and background colors.
  SET TERMINAL COLOR 20 tells Kermit to do this.  v3.14.

By the way, if you have any official DEC documentation that says this should
be the default behavior, we'd like to see it.  Our DEC VT manuals list the
actions to be taken on CSI 0 m very explicitly, and none of them affect the
coloration.

- Frank

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From: burns@eisner.decus.org (Scott Burns)
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Subject: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT V3.5
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While awaiting C-Kermit for Win-NT someone said to try the 16bit
C-Kermit for OS/2. In trying to run the CKOKER16.EXE file I get the error:

Error ordinal not found CKOKER16->OS2SM.10

Anyone know if this will work or what this error means ? I tried copying all
DLL's to the Os2LibPath directory but this did not work either and I think
those are only for TCP/IP anyway ?

scott
burns@eisner.decus.org

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Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT V3.5
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In article <1995Jan4.182524.8447@eisner>,
Scott Burns <burns@eisner.decus.org> wrote:
>While awaiting C-Kermit for Win-NT someone said to try the 16bit
>C-Kermit for OS/2. In trying to run the CKOKER16.EXE file I get the error:
>
>Error ordinal not found CKOKER16->OS2SM.10
>
>Anyone know if this will work or what this error means ? I tried copying all
>DLL's to the Os2LibPath directory but this did not work either and I think
>those are only for TCP/IP anyway ?
>
>scott
>burns@eisner.decus.org

OS2SM is a library that WinNT 3.5 does not provide.  Therefore, C-Kermit 
will not work on Windows NT.

Unfortunately, you will have to wait for an NT specific version.
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
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I have been using the regular MSDOS kermit under Windows NT, and if you don't
try to push it too hard it works fine (I notice a tendency of it to drop
characters if I try any speed faster than 19.2K). Presumably a native version
for NT would have less emulation overhead and could run at much higher speeds,
but the DOS version is fine for me.
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From: jl0h@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (JOHN DONALD LAESSIG)
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Subject: File transfer between two+ PCs using TCP/IP?
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Can Kermit be used simply to transfer files between two or more PCs with
ethernet boards using TCP/IP?  What is the simplest method, and what is
needed?

Thanks for any help.
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hoi !

i have problems with running a script with MacKermit.

the script looks like this :
	open read foo.bar
	read \%a
	echo \%a

the file exists and contains 2 lines, like this

	this is test
	end of test

MacKermit 0.99(190) 11/26/93 16:12 behaves like this :

when running the script :
	Unknown IO error : -51
	zclose(): i dont know what kind of file this is : 9


MacKermit 0.991(190) 08/19/94 10:01 behaves like this :

when running the script :
	i'm transfered to MacBugs : mberto+00A2

	(by the way : this happens everytime i try to run a script, even
	the script contains only a comment ...)

on the command line everything works fine with this version of
kermit (0.991(190)).

any ideas or help out there ?

thank you very much !!
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From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher)
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In article <3eherk$c32@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>,
Bernd Seitter <brs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> wrote:
>hoi !
>
>i have problems with running a script with MacKermit.
>
>the script looks like this :
>	open read foo.bar
>	read \%a
>	echo \%a
>
>the file exists and contains 2 lines, like this
>
>	this is test
>	end of test
>

I had similar problems with OpenVMS Kermit and the
problem was resolved by doing a...

set file type text

before opening the file.  It may or may not be
the same problem.

	Erik
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: File transfer between two+ PCs using TCP/IP?
Date: 5 Jan 1995 23:29:31 GMT
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In article <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>,
JOHN DONALD LAESSIG <jl0h@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> wrote:
>Can Kermit be used simply to transfer files between two or more PCs with
>ethernet boards using TCP/IP?  What is the simplest method, and what is
>needed?
>
Configure each PC's Kermit program for TCP/IP according to the instructions
in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Chapter 17.

On one PC, tell Kermit to "set port tcp *", which means wait for an
incoming TCP/IP connection, and then "server" to put it in Kermit
server mode.

Then on the other PC, tell Kermit to "set port tcp xxxx", where xxxx is the
IP address of the first PC, and then just give it SEND, GET, REMOTE
DIRECTORY, and similar commands.

You can even transfer entire directory trees from one PC to another in
this way.  Use the XSEND utility that is supplied with MS-DOS Kermit
(or at least it will be supplied with version 3.14 -- in earlier versions
it was on a separate "utilities" diskette).  You can ftp the XSEND
utility from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a, files msixse.*.
The binary is in kermit/bin/msixse.exe.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: File transfer between two+ PCs using TCP/IP?
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In article <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, jl0h@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (JOHN DONALD LAESSIG) writes:
> Can Kermit be used simply to transfer files between two or more PCs with
> ethernet boards using TCP/IP?  What is the simplest method, and what is
> needed?
------------
	Yes, and not only using TCP/IP but also NetBIOS and some other
networking channels. One is placed in Telnet listen mode, SET PORT TCP *,
the other is a regular client. For file transfer put the listener in
Kermit SERVER mode. It's in the manuals and release notes. Try the 3.14
beta; it's really fast between PCs this way (I clock about 70KB/sec between
486's).
	Joe D.


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu>, BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan) writes:
>    Ok, I've not played with ANSI sequences much - but dug out the trusty 
>    "Using MS-DOS Kermit" text (both for the sequences and the ASCII tables) 
>    to tackle today's problem.
> 
>    I'm adding a "diskquota display" to our menu system and would like to 
>    have the "you're over your quota, delete files now" message come up in
>    red.  No problem - "ESC[0;31m DELETE FILES ESC[0m", right?  Now, on the
>    DECterm I use it's a RED DELETE and back to normal colors.  Kermit (in
>    both 3.13 and 3.14) doesn't reset to the original colors with that ANSI
>    sequence, although the text appears to indicate that it will.
> 
>    Any idea on this one?  Is it a Kermit problem or simply my own bit of
>    ANSI newbie-dom showing (in which case there's a better sequence for 
>    resetting colors, right?  :^)
-----------
	Display attributes, the CSI Pn; Pn..; Pn m command, lacks color
information. Read what attributes are being controlled and the matter
should be clearer. The ANSI.SYS TSR for DOS has little relationship with
the comms world. But many of us have used it for color information in lieu
of an acceptable substitute. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 beta has a command to zap
colors to defaults upon a CSI m; use SET TERM COLOR ? to see, or read the
docs in the beta archive file.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: PPP support?
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In article <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu>, luy@cayley.math.rpi.edu (Ya Yan Lu ~{B=QEQT~}) writes:
> I have been using mskermit (version 3.13 and 3.14) to connect to the
> UNIX account through a modem from my PC at home. The Xyplex terminal
> server for the UNIX account supports SLIP, CSLIP, PPP. Using the
> packet drivers slipper.exe, cslipper.exe, I have succesfully made the
> connection though the internel TCP/IP support of mskermit. It works
> great.
> 
> However, it seems that mskermit does not work with PPP. I am using the
> Merit packet driver ppp.exe (from EtherPPP.zip). The parameters that I
> set for the TCP connection must be right, since the same parameters 
> (IP addresses, gateway, nameservers, etc) work well with NCSA telnet,
> CUTCP, WATTCP. Going through the documents of kermit, I only find that
> mskermit supports Telbits(spelling?) PPP. Am I still doing something
> wrong? 
> 
> BTW, using my 1.44k (V.32bis) modem (with V.42 error correction,
> V.42bis data compression enabled), I can still only get ~1.2kbytes/s
> for down loading (in CSLIP) for pre-compressed files (zip files). I
> have tried everything: (a) set the modem right (b) set receive
> packet-length, window, (c) control unprefixed (except for 0, 1, 155).
> On the same line, with ftp from NCSA or CUTCP, 1.7kb/s can be achived.
--------------
	As we've mentioned a number of times here and in the docs, MS-DOS
Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack works with
	a) Packet Drivers which present either an Ethernet (DIX flavor) or
	   SLIP interface,
	b) Novell ODI drivers, including SLIP_PPP,
	c) Telebit's PPP drivers (Packet Driver flavor and ODI flavor).

	There is no such thing as a standardized top level interface for
PPP drivers. Every one is vastly different, and almost completely undoc'd.
	I wish I could say something nice about Merit's Etherppp package,
but to be honest it has never ever run here. It hangs my PC every time as
it initializes, well before Kermit enters the picture, and I do know what 
I'm about in PCs.
	I think you will find the next beta has better SLIP performance,
but it's rather awkward for me to explore this locally. A lot, and that
does mean a lot, of work has been done to minimize the number of packets
appearing on the wires so that SLIP and PPP may work well. There is a
tradeoff between fewest packets and greatest throughput in the face of
packet losses, yet SLIP/PPP wants both. There are no canned cures for these 
conflicting requirements. And that means I won't entertain any silly bits/sec
contest such as we see with straight serial comms; it's just not that simple.
	Joe D.

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Subject: Re: new kermit docs
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In article <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it>, Gianluca Attura <mc8114@mclink.it> writes:
> I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new 
> Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities.
---------------
	APC is fully documented in the release notes accompanying MSK.
Long packets aren't new at all unless if one counts a decade ago as
new. The protocol details are spelled out in the definitive rule book:
the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz. Referenced
in the official User's Manuals, amongst other places.
	Joe D.

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Subject: Help With Server & Con Redirection
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Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server
mode.  Now, I want to do the unthinkable 8) and redirect the console. 
However, I'm not sure if this is possible with the setup that I have. 
Here's the lowdown:  one 386 running Linux, one running MS-DOS v5.0. 
On the dos machine I have it setup in server mode.  I'm coming in from
the Linux box.  The connection is being made over a tcpip connection. 
Here's where my problem is.  Since I have set port tcp *, it's not
really going through any serial port.  Thus, I can't use ctty to
redirct the output since this only works for serial ports.

Am I missing something?  Is there a way to do this?  Do I need a ctty
clone or something?  Does such a beast exist?  Am I the only one who's
ever thought of doing this?  Am I boring you with all of these
questions?

As always, all help is appreciated and thanks in advance...

        --Jerry

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Subject: 50 rows x 132 cols problem
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Dear Fellow Kermitalolics,

I use 

RUN MODE 80,50

to make kermit give me 80 cols by 50 rows.  then I use set terminal/page=49
to preserve the 50 status line.

when the kermit goes to 132 cols, i go to 25 rows.  then it goes back
to 80 cols.  it stays 25 rows.  is there a way to force it back to 
50 rows?

Jim

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DISCLAIMER:  I've looked for the answer to the following question in
             _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included
             with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13.  I either couldn't find the
             answer or didn't understand it if I did.

I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS 6.0, 
using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem.  Kermit is set for VT220 
terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and code page 
CP437.  I've not mucked with much in the initialization files, so you may 
assume that any other parameters are still set to the "factory" defaults.

Alas, the question:  In some online environments, my backspace key behaves
as one would expect it to.  In others, hitting the backspace key results
in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters "^?"  appearing on
the screen.  I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these situations.  In these
exact same online environments (e.g., vi insert mode when connected to my
dial-up UNIX shell account) under analagous circumstances, the other
terminal emulator that I use, Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this
way.  The backspace key functions as a destructive backspace. 

I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit 
configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out.  And I've never 
really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out 
myself.  (I want the magic straight from the wizards' minds.)  Thanks, in 
advance, for taking the time to help me.


---
Jim Monty, Kermit Cheerleader at Arthur Andersen LLP
monty@indirect.com
James_T.._Monty.ANDERSEN_WO@notes.compuserve.com

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Hi,

I have just acquired a Gateway2000 colorbook and I am trying run ms-kermit
on it. I am unable to see what is being typed once I issue a connect
command. Still the modem is able to recognize the commands that follow
(just no echo). I have used the same setting with a ps/2 and kermit works
fine. Any help on that would be appreciated. Please contact me (if
possible) via e-mail.

Thank you,

Pierre Jean-Laurent
jeanlaur@mailbox.syr.edu

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <D201pG.DMB@indirect.com>, Jim Monty <monty@indirect.com> wrote:
>DISCLAIMER:  I've looked for the answer to the following question in
>             _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included
>             with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13.  I either couldn't find the
>             answer or didn't understand it if I did.
>
Thank you for consulting the documentation.

>I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS 6.0, 
>using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem.  Kermit is set for VT220 
>terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and code page 
>CP437.  I've not mucked with much in the initialization files, so you may 
>assume that any other parameters are still set to the "factory" defaults.
>
>Alas, the question:  In some online environments, my backspace key behaves
>as one would expect it to.  In others, hitting the backspace key results
>in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters "^?"  appearing on
>the screen.  I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these situations.  In these
>exact same online environments (e.g., vi insert mode when connected to my
>dial-up UNIX shell account) under analagous circumstances, the other
>terminal emulator that I use, Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this
>way.  The backspace key functions as a destructive backspace. 
>
>I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit 
>configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out.  And I've never 
>really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out 
>myself.  (I want the magic straight from the wizards' minds.)  Thanks, in 
>advance, for taking the time to help me.
>
>Jim Monty, Kermit Cheerleader at Arthur Andersen LLP
>
Well, Jim, I think it's finally time to classify this as a Frequently
Asked Question and add it to the FAQ (kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/FAQ.TXT).

As you have discovered, different hosts and applications use different
characters (or sequences) for destructive backspace.  The terminal
emulator, Kermit or otherwise (including Telemate -- if its backspace key
works for you in all circumstances, I think that's just a stroke of luck),
has no way of knowing what host or application you are using, and
therefore no way of knowing what to send when you press the Backspace key.

Of course, Kermit's Backspace key must send *something* "out of the box",
so it uses one of the several most likely destructive backspace values,
and in fact the one that is defined in ASCII to be destructive backspace,
namely Rubout, also known as Delete or DEL, character number 127, which
sometimes is displayed as "^?".  Lest anyone believe this is a frivolous
choice, I quote from American National Standard X3.4-1977, Section 5.1,
Control Characters:

  0/8 BS (Backspace).  A one-active-position format effector that moves
  the position backward on the same line.

  7/15 (DEL). A character used primarily to erase or obliterate an
  erroneous or unwanted character...

In cases where the default does not work, Kermit lets you redefine the
Backspace key (or any other key) to send whatever you want it to send (or
to take any other actions) with the SET KEY command.

The SET KEY command has two operands: a unique identifier for a key or key
combination, called a scan code, and the value or action to be assigned to
the key.  Scan codes are written with a preceding backslash (\).  The scan
code for the Backspace key is \270.  The default definition for this key
is \127, meaning the character whose numeric value is 127, i.e. DEL.

You can find out a key's scan code by consulting Table I-9 in the manual
(pages 285-288), or by giving the SHOW KEY command to Kermit and then
pressing the desired key or key combination.

Now, as you have discovered, some applications use Ctrl-H -- ASCII BS
(Backspace) -- for destructive backspace.  Consulting the ASCII table on
page 275, you see that the ASCII code for BS is 8.  So to make PC's
Backspace key send BS instead of DEL, give this command:

  SET KEY \270 \8

If you use Kermit only to connect to hosts and services that use BS for
destructive backspace, then you can put this command in your MSCUSTOM.INI
file, and it will take effect automatically every time you start Kermit.

But some people (like yourself) switch between different hosts and/or
services that expect different characters or sequences for destructive
backspace.  You can, of course, give Kermit the appropriate command
every time you switch from one to another:

  SET KEY \270 \8    ; Backspace sends BS

or:

  SET KEY \270 \127  ; Backspace sends DEL

or you can use the macros that are already defined in MSKERMIT.INI for
this.  In version 3.14, for example, we have macros with names like
VAX and IBM.  The VAX macro sets things up (including the Backspace key)
for communicating with VAXes and VAX-like systems, and that means, among
other things, setting the Backspace key to send DEL.  The IBM macro, on
the other hand, is used for communicating with IBM mainframes in linemode,
where BS is used.

You can use these macros as they are, or you can write your own macros
based upon them and add them to your MSCUSTOM.INI file.  To use a macro,
just type its name at the MS-Kermit> prompt.

Suppose, for example, you normally access two different systems: a BBS
(which uses 8-bit characters, ANSI terminal emulation, and BS) and a UNIX
system (which uses 7-bit characters, VT220 emulation, and DEL), and these
items need to be changed when you switch between the two.  You could write
two macros such as these:

  define bbs set term byte 8, set term type ANSI, set key \270 \8
  define unix set term byte 7, set term type vt220, set key \270 \127

And then each time you want to use the BBS, you just type "bbs" at the
MS-Kermit> prompt, and each time you want to access the UNIX system,
you type "unix".

Of course, you could take this process even further, and turn the BBS and
UNIX macros into complete connection-establishment and login scripts,
following the directions in Chapter 14 of the manual, on script
programming.

- Frank

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In article <JEANLAUR.95Jan6173805@lynx.cat.syr.edu>,
Pierre Jean-Laurent <jeanlaur@lynx.cat.syr.edu> wrote:
>I have just acquired a Gateway2000 colorbook and I am trying run ms-kermit
>on it. I am unable to see what is being typed once I issue a connect
>command. Still the modem is able to recognize the commands that follow
>(just no echo). I have used the same setting with a ps/2 and kermit works
>fine. Any help on that would be appreciated. Please contact me (if
>possible) via e-mail.
>
Please read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit, version
3.13 or later.  There is a big section on this.  You have to make sure
you are telling Kermit to use the right COM port, and that, if it is not
COM1 or COM2, what its address and interrupt are, and that there are no
interrupt conflicts.

- Frank

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jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>In article <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it>, Gianluca Attura <mc8114@mclink.it> writes:
>> I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new 
>> Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities.
>---------------
>	APC is fully documented in the release notes accompanying MSK.
>Long packets aren't new at all unless if one counts a decade ago as
>new. The protocol details are spelled out in the definitive rule book:
>the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz. Referenced
>in the official User's Manuals, amongst other places.
>	Joe D.

Are the protocol extensions related to resuming partial transfers and the 
'RESEND' command documented anywhere.  If not, will they be?

Jeff Berntsen
jeffb@world.std.com

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In article <1995Jan7.121109.82047@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> In article <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>> In article <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu>, alexandr@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
>>> 
>>> Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server
>>> mode.
>   
> [snip]
> 
>> 	It's not quite clear exactly what you want where, and what you
>> hope to get from it, but I'll try to decode.
>> 	I presume you want to make the DOS prompt visible across the
>> net to the Linux machine, by something along the lines of CTTY <network>.
>> If so then it won't work. And if so what you are trying to do is run
>> DOS remotely via Kermit, as a Telnet daemon. That won't work either.
>> CTTY is less than inadequate.
>> 	Put simply, DOS is not designed to be run from a terminal. There
>> are some remote screen capture/keyboard stuffing programs around, such
>> as Carbon Copy, PC Anywhere, etc which do that job reasonably well. Running
>> in their cases means running on the DOS PC and the comms programs dig deeply
>> into the machine to capture/stuff changes to the machine. MS-DOS Kermit is
>> not such a program and we don't want to enter that nitch.
>> 	If I'm off base please give us some additional hints.
>>         Joe D.
> 
> I'm not going to be of any help here.  In fact, I have a similar question.
> All I want to do is transfer files between two PCs over a modem.  Is there 
> any way to do this using kermit?  There are people available on both ends, 
> so if a command needs to be entered on each end it is no problem.  I 
> suppose I can purchase a commercial app if that's what it takes, but I 
> would like to get kermit to do this if it can.  
> 
> I'm curious: my calculator (HP48 GX) can get an image of my DOS directory 
> and put/get files by using kermit (kermit in server mode on the PC).  Is 
> there something special in the version of kermit in my calculator's ROM 
> that allows this, or does it have something to do with using a direct 
> serial link instead of a modem?
-----------------
	It's called SERVER mode, a standard feature of Columbia Kermits
since day one. Rather than go though a long explaination of this may
I recommend reading about it in the user's manual, the "Using MS-DOS
Kermit" book. It is very simple to use: Kermit command SERVER, at the
minimum. Protection features are available too, via ENABLE/DISABLE,
and even a SET SERVER command to add a little more control.
	Joe D.

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I have a few questions.  checked the tiny FAQ with no luck...
SYSTEM:  I type Wermit to run kermit, so I guess that is the specific
                kermit program on SCO Unix.
         I use Crosstalk for Windows over a 14.4 modem.

1)  What are blocks?  As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it 
reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3.  Can someone tell me what block 
check is?

2)  My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC.  
My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting.  What's the deal?

3)  Ever since I started playing with my settings to get *useable* 
results, my transfer quits after 1 error.  Is this because of the long 
packet lengths?

Thanks!


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jawarric@ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Warrick) writes:

>I have a few questions.  checked the tiny FAQ with no luck...
>SYSTEM:  I type Wermit to run kermit, so I guess that is the specific
>                kermit program on SCO Unix.
The provided makefile compiles Kermit source to "wermit", to give a test
version which won't overwrite the production "kermit".  The System Admin
is supposed to rename it to "kermit" when satisfied with it.
>         I use Crosstalk for Windows over a 14.4 modem.
>
>1)  What are blocks?  As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it 
>reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3.  Can someone tell me what block 
>check is?
>
>2)  My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC.  
>My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting.  What's the deal?
Block check is the same as Checksum. 
Kermit		Crosstalk
set block 1	checksum single
set block 2	checksum double
set block 3	checksum CRC

If they don't match, you'll get:
>3)  Ever since I started playing with my settings to get *useable* 
>results, my transfer quits after 1 error.  Is this because of the long 
>packet lengths?

It could be, but non-matching Checksum parameters will cause it.  I don't
know what parts of the Kermit protocol Crosstalk implements.  When I used
to run Windows on my PC, I used MS-Kermit in a DOS Full-Screen session
as my terminal emulator.  It was very compatible with the C-Kermit on
the Unix boxes, and was free!  (Now running OS/2 so have C-Kermit at both
ends).

You'll have to check your Crosstalk documentation to see what it supports.
-- 

Bob Shair                          Open Systems Consultant
1018 W. Springfield Avenue         shair@uiuc.edu
Champaign, IL 61821		   217/356-2684

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Subject: Re: BLOCKS & Error Checking?
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In article <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
Jeff Warrick <jawarric@ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>1)  What are blocks?  As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it 
>reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3.  Can someone tell me what block 
>check is?
>
>2)  My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC.  
>My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting.  What's the deal?
   `Block' and `packet' are synonyms.  They're interchangable.
The `checksum' setting in your modem software is the same as the
`block check' setting in the Kermit program.  Here's the correspondence:
        single checksum  -> block check 1
        double checksum  -> block check 2
        CRC              -> block check 3
Generally, if you're playing with long packets, you should always
use CRC/block check 3.


>3)  Ever since I started playing with my settings to get *useable* 
>results, my transfer quits after 1 error.  Is this because of the long 
>packet lengths?
     If your software supports it (many don't), setting a window size
of 8 or 16 with 1k or 2k packets is typically faster than trying to
use very long packets.  Dunno why your transfer would quit after 1 error.
If you want good Kermit performance, you might consider getting a copy
of MS-Kermit for your PC.
                                - Tim Kientzle


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From: getman@wanda.pond.com (Paul Getman)
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Subject: File Transfer Problem?
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Hello:

I am new to this so please forgive my ignorance.

I have MSDOS Kermit (3.13) and a Hayes 2400 baud modem. I successfully
connect and login but cannot download files.  I am trying to download a 
file from a Sun 1000 running Solaris 2.1 via a 9600 baud modem using
C-Kermit (5A(189)) in server mode.  The transfer fails after several 
retries.  My local Kermit settings are as follows: parity none, 
flow Xon/Xoff, speed 2400, handshake none, duplex full. I have tried
changing some or all of these parameters (i.e. altering the flow control
to RTS/CTS and none) but to no avail.  I have read MS-DOS Kermit DOC
regarding trouble with file transfers and have tried those suggestions: 
parity, duplex, handshake etc.

What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thank You.

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From: jey@ACM.ORG (Justin E. York (ANT))
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Hi,

I know that this is a kermit newsgroup, however I'm hoping that
some of the readers of this group will know where I can find
a commercial (or freebie) zmodem package.  

We run a DEC AXP with Open VMS 6.1.  Any tips or information
would be greatly appreciated.   

Please e-mail responses to "JEY@ACM.ORG".

Thanks in advance,
Justin York
__
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In article <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
Jeff Warrick <jawarric@ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>1)  What are blocks?  As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it 
>reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3.  Can someone tell me what block 
>check is?
>
>2)  My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC.  
>My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting.  What's the deal?

These two items correspond to one another.  Your Crosstalk comm. software
refers to as "checksum" what kermit refers to as "block-check".

   Kermit                Crosstalk
   ------                -----
   set block-check 1     checksum single
   set block-check 2     checksum double
   set block-check 3     checksum CRC

		--Ken Pizzini

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: File Transfer Problem?
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In article <3ejvr6$hqs@wanda.pond.com>, getman@wanda.pond.com (Paul Getman) writes:
> Hello:
> 
> I am new to this so please forgive my ignorance.
> 
> I have MSDOS Kermit (3.13) and a Hayes 2400 baud modem. I successfully
> connect and login but cannot download files.  I am trying to download a 
> file from a Sun 1000 running Solaris 2.1 via a 9600 baud modem using
> C-Kermit (5A(189)) in server mode.  The transfer fails after several 
> retries.  My local Kermit settings are as follows: parity none, 
> flow Xon/Xoff, speed 2400, handshake none, duplex full. I have tried
> changing some or all of these parameters (i.e. altering the flow control
> to RTS/CTS and none) but to no avail.  I have read MS-DOS Kermit DOC
> regarding trouble with file transfers and have tried those suggestions: 
> parity, duplex, handshake etc.
> 
> What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have any suggestions?
-------------
	Maybe the above isn't the problem. Could you relate what message
is displayed when MSK gives up, and more importantly what commands you
issued on both ends to accomplish the file transfer (which is where the
problem resides according to my crystal ball). Finally, the Sun end
needs adequate flow control too, or it can/will overrun it's attached
modem.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: 50 rows x 132 cols problem
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In article <1995Jan6.142436.175@gems.vcu.edu>, agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes:
> Dear Fellow Kermitalolics,
> 
> I use 
> 
> RUN MODE 80,50
> 
> to make kermit give me 80 cols by 50 rows.  then I use set terminal/page=49
> to preserve the 50 status line.
> 
> when the kermit goes to 132 cols, i go to 25 rows.  then it goes back
> to 80 cols.  it stays 25 rows.  is there a way to force it back to 
> 50 rows?
---------------------
	Because that's not a real video mode but rather a combination of
actions: change the fonts to 8x8 yet retain a video mode of 3 (normal
color 0x25) for video sync, change the Bios work area to say 50 lines. 
It's a hack. I don't know how your adapter got into such a state and 
thus I (MSK) can't return it to that state. 
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: [?] Backspace key says, "^?"
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In article <D201pG.DMB@indirect.com>, monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes:
> DISCLAIMER:  I've looked for the answer to the following question in
>              _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included
>              with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13.  I either couldn't find the
>              answer or didn't understand it if I did.
> 
> I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS 6.0, 
> using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem.  Kermit is set for VT220 
> terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and code page 
> CP437.  I've not mucked with much in the initialization files, so you may 
> assume that any other parameters are still set to the "factory" defaults.
> 
> Alas, the question:  In some online environments, my backspace key behaves
> as one would expect it to.  In others, hitting the backspace key results
> in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters "^?"  appearing on
> the screen.  I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these situations.  In these
> exact same online environments (e.g., vi insert mode when connected to my
> dial-up UNIX shell account) under analagous circumstances, the other
> terminal emulator that I use, Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this
> way.  The backspace key functions as a destructive backspace. 
> 
> I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit 
> configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out.  And I've never 
> really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out 
> myself.  (I want the magic straight from the wizards' minds.)  Thanks, in 
> advance, for taking the time to help me.
-----------
	SET KEY. Reread the manual on the matter. Define the Backspace
key to send whatever is needed by the remote host. Control-H is Backspace,
BS, decimal 8. DEL, Delete, is decimal 127.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help With Server & Con Redirection
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In article <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu>, alexandr@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
> 
> Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server
> mode.  Now, I want to do the unthinkable 8) and redirect the console. 
> However, I'm not sure if this is possible with the setup that I have. 
> Here's the lowdown:  one 386 running Linux, one running MS-DOS v5.0. 
> On the dos machine I have it setup in server mode.  I'm coming in from
> the Linux box.  The connection is being made over a tcpip connection. 
> Here's where my problem is.  Since I have set port tcp *, it's not
> really going through any serial port.  Thus, I can't use ctty to
> redirct the output since this only works for serial ports.
> 
> Am I missing something?  Is there a way to do this?  Do I need a ctty
> clone or something?  Does such a beast exist?  Am I the only one who's
> ever thought of doing this?  Am I boring you with all of these
> questions?
-------------
	It's not quite clear exactly what you want where, and what you
hope to get from it, but I'll try to decode.
	I presume you want to make the DOS prompt visible across the
net to the Linux machine, by something along the lines of CTTY <network>.
If so then it won't work. And if so what you are trying to do is run
DOS remotely via Kermit, as a Telnet daemon. That won't work either.
CTTY is less than inadequate.
	Put simply, DOS is not designed to be run from a terminal. There
are some remote screen capture/keyboard stuffing programs around, such
as Carbon Copy, PC Anywhere, etc which do that job reasonably well. Running
in their cases means running on the DOS PC and the comms programs dig deeply
into the machine to capture/stuff changes to the machine. MS-DOS Kermit is
not such a program and we don't want to enter that nitch.
	If I'm off base please give us some additional hints.
        Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: !!! Help Kermit vs Gateway 2000 !!!
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Date: 6 Jan 95 23:25:17 MDT
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In article <JEANLAUR.95Jan6173805@lynx.cat.syr.edu>, jeanlaur@lynx.cat.syr.edu (Pierre Jean-Laurent) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have just acquired a Gateway2000 colorbook and I am trying run ms-kermit
> on it. I am unable to see what is being typed once I issue a connect
> command. Still the modem is able to recognize the commands that follow
> (just no echo). I have used the same setting with a ps/2 and kermit works
> fine. Any help on that would be appreciated. Please contact me (if
> possible) via e-mail.
---------------
	It's a "talk but not listen" situation, which is described at length
in the release notes. In short, your machine's configuration is in need of
adjustment. Please get the MS*.BWR and MS*.UPD text files from dir kermit/a
on kermit.columbia.edu. Don't let the machine win the war just because it's
won this particular battle.
	Joe D.

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In article <D1yzJr.LL7@world.std.com>,
Jeffrey T Berntsen <jeffb@world.std.com> wrote:
>Are the protocol extensions related to resuming partial transfers and the 
>'RESEND' command documented anywhere.  If not, will they be?
>
Eventually.  Along with 50,000 other things, this is on our list.  Between
designing, writing, and documenting the software, handling untold numbers
of tech-support requests each day, trying to keep this newsgroup going as
a useful and informative forum, RAISING FUNDS (hint hint), and generally
doing our best to keep the ship afloat and on course, a lot of things take
more time than we'd like them to.  There are only a few of us doing all
this work.  Right now we're trying to get the new releases of MS-DOS
Kermit, OS/2 C-Kermit, and IBM Mainframe Kermit finished.  We try to focus
on those items that benefit the most people, and simultaneously promote
the continued health of the Kermit effort itself.

- Frank

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How can I run a communications application after having used kermit to
open and prepare the device?  Is there a way to pass the UNIX file
handle on? Can the RUN command be used for this?

Thanks for more information. I'm running C-Kermit 5A(188) under UNIX.

Martin

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From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: Grabbing text from a remote session
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I want to have C-Kermit on a VAX dial up a remote computer
and enter in a Support call for processing by our company.
The process of entering the support call generates a sequence
number for that call that needs to be given back to
our client for future reference.  This sequence number just appears
on the screen when the information is being entered.

Is there a way that I can grab this ever-changing value off the
screen some how?  I was thinking that I could possibly log the
session to a file and then read it back from that file, but
I won't be in "connect" mode so "log session" would not grab
it.  Is there an appropriate "log" command that I could use
to file away the remotes responses??

Are there any other suggestions on how this could be accomplished?

Thanks,
	Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves." 
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT
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Unfortunately I require C-Kermit. Does anyone know who has dibs on trying to get
C-Kermit working under NT ? Last I heard someone had reserved the ck? letter
for NT.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Grabbing text from a remote session
Date: 8 Jan 1995 19:16:08 GMT
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In article <D21Htq.161@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu>,
Erik Hatcher <esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:
>I want to have C-Kermit on a VAX dial up a remote computer
>and enter in a Support call for processing by our company.
>The process of entering the support call generates a sequence
>number for that call that needs to be given back to
>our client for future reference.  This sequence number just appears
>on the screen when the information is being entered.
>
>Is there a way that I can grab this ever-changing value off the
>screen some how?  I was thinking that I could possibly log the
>session to a file and then read it back from that file, but
>I won't be in "connect" mode so "log session" would not grab
>it.  Is there an appropriate "log" command that I could use
>to file away the remotes responses??
>
There are numerous approaches, none of them pretty.  You are deeply
into the area we know as "screen scraping".

First of all, LOG SESSION should, indeed, work during script
execution, as well as in CONNECT mode.  So the brute-force approach
is to LOG SESSION and then grovel through the session-log file
afterwards to find the sacred number, either by hand or by program.

Well, if it can be done by program, that means there is some pattern
that allows you to locate the number.  If that is true, then you can
also use INPUT or MINPUT commands in your Kermit script to locate
(say) the thing that comes just before or just after the number, and
then you can pull the number out of the \v(input) buffer by using
string functions such as \findex(), \fsubstring(), etc, in a Kermit
script program.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Can spawn'ed programs access the open connection?
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In article <D23K9H.Ext@olsen.ch>, Martin Lichtin <lichtin@olsen.ch> wrote:
>How can I run a communications application after having used kermit to
>open and prepare the device?  Is there a way to pass the UNIX file
>handle on? Can the RUN command be used for this?
>Thanks for more information. I'm running C-Kermit 5A(188) under UNIX.
>
As described in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", page 232, the variable
\v(ttyfd) contains the open file descriptor of the communication channel,
which can be either a serial device or a TCP/IP connection (or, in the
case of SunLink X.25, an X.25 connection).

If your communication application accepts an arbitrary file descriptor,
then you can pass it via this variable.  Otherwise, you can use the
redirection capabilities of certain shells, notably ksh, to redirect the
fd to your communication program's stdin/stdout.

Version 5A(190), the current release of C-Kermit, includes a new REDIRECT
command that starts a given program with its stdin/stdout redirected to
C-Kermit's open communications channel.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: Help With Server & Con Redirection
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In article <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu>, alexandr@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
>> 
>> Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server
>> mode.
  
[snip]

> 	It's not quite clear exactly what you want where, and what you
> hope to get from it, but I'll try to decode.
> 	I presume you want to make the DOS prompt visible across the
> net to the Linux machine, by something along the lines of CTTY <network>.
> If so then it won't work. And if so what you are trying to do is run
> DOS remotely via Kermit, as a Telnet daemon. That won't work either.
> CTTY is less than inadequate.
> 	Put simply, DOS is not designed to be run from a terminal. There
> are some remote screen capture/keyboard stuffing programs around, such
> as Carbon Copy, PC Anywhere, etc which do that job reasonably well. Running
> in their cases means running on the DOS PC and the comms programs dig deeply
> into the machine to capture/stuff changes to the machine. MS-DOS Kermit is
> not such a program and we don't want to enter that nitch.
> 	If I'm off base please give us some additional hints.
>         Joe D.

I'm not going to be of any help here.  In fact, I have a similar question.
All I want to do is transfer files between two PCs over a modem.  Is there 
any way to do this using kermit?  There are people available on both ends, 
so if a command needs to be entered on each end it is no problem.  I 
suppose I can purchase a commercial app if that's what it takes, but I 
would like to get kermit to do this if it can.  

I'm curious: my calculator (HP48 GX) can get an image of my DOS directory 
and put/get files by using kermit (kermit in server mode on the PC).  Is 
there something special in the version of kermit in my calculator's ROM 
that allows this, or does it have something to do with using a direct 
serial link instead of a modem?

Thanks for any replies,

Troy Smith

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From: Chris Milton <cmilton@access4.digex.net>
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Subject: Q: Avatex 2400E modem info
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My library received an Avatex 2400E modem as a gift
with no documentation.

We haven't found an address or phone number
for Avatex.  We need at least some idea what
the dialing codes are for this thing.
Any help would be appreciated.

All the info I have:
uses RJ11C outlet and DB-25 RS-232-C female port
indicator lights Power TR SD RD HS CD OH AA
Communications Canada # 875 3075 A
Ringer Equiv 0.7B  DOC load # 6
Serial Number 1310065
Made in Thailand

---
Christopher M Milton  cmilton@access.digex.net
Arlington (VA) Central Library  (703) 358-5945


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Dear Friends,
Is there anyone who can tell me how to get a Kermit script to exit Kermit
when NO CARRIER. 

I have a script that automatically dials selected numbers
and connect with password and everything, but when the connection is
over I have to press ALT-X.

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From: pi92mti@jupiter.pt.hk-r.se (Magnus Timmerby)
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Subject: long block protocol
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What is "Kermit Long Block Protocol"?
Where can I get information on it?

--
Magnus Timmerby  pi92mti@pt.hk-r.se

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In article <PI92MTI.95Jan9000103@jupiter.pt.hk-r.se>, pi92mti@jupiter.pt.hk-r.se (Magnus Timmerby) writes:
> What is "Kermit Long Block Protocol"?
> Where can I get information on it?
> 
> --
> Magnus Timmerby  pi92mti@pt.hk-r.se
-----------
	I think you mean long packets, since in Kermit-speak "block"
refers to the kind of checksum. Long packets are a standard part of
the Kermit protocol, have been since goodness knows when (going on
a decade, +/- 5%). It's not a protocol b
t a feature of the Kermit
protocol. For the rules on the matter please see the official reference:
the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, 1987,
ISBN 0-932376-88-6.
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-18 Ready for Testing
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-18 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of Sunday, Jan 8, 1995, 9:50pm Eastern USA time:

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes since Beta-17 include:

 . A macro which is invoked with no arguments now (once again)
   sees its argc value as 1, rather than 10.

 . SET STOP-BITS { 1, 2 } added to accommodate devices that really
   do need 2 stop bits.  Yes, there really is at least one (it's a lathe).

 . SET FOSSIL DISABLE-ON-CLOSE { OFF, ON } allows control of whether
   fossil driver is "deinitialized" by Kermit upon close or exit.  See
   KERMIT.UPD for details.

 . Dialing script added for MegaHertz/Telepath PCMCIA V.32bis data/fax modem.

 . More TCP/IP performance tweaks.

 . A Telnet options negotiation bug that was introduced in Beta-17 is fixed.

 . A problem with the TAKE command finding files when full path not given,
   fixed.

 . Minor bug with TAKE files whose last line is not properly terminated,
   fixed.

Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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Subject: 2 questions
Date: 9 Jan 1995 06:05:57 GMT
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I use ms Kermit to connect via telephone modem to my university Suns.
  The suns uses
c-kermit (about 2 versions back I think).
1.  Every time I do file transfers I must reset several variables in
c-kermit; flow control, windows, blocks etc..  Is it possible for me
to have these commands as a script or macro in my home directory. How
would I tell c-kermit to use that script.?

2.  It has been suggested in the past that the telnet capabilites of
kermit are superior to the normal telnet.  Is it possible to use those
telnet capabilties with my modem connection. I mean can I put c-kermit
into Server mode and use its telnet.   Is there any possible benifit
to gained by doing this over the normal telnet capabilites that are on
the Unix system?

Sorry if I have not used the right tech terms

By the way, thankyou for fixing the mail command in mskermit.  I think
that I one of the few people on earth who uses that function. 

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3eqjo6$p9k@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>,
 <br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu> wrote:
>I use ms Kermit to connect via telephone modem to my university Suns.
>  The suns uses
>c-kermit (about 2 versions back I think).
>1.  Every time I do file transfers I must reset several variables in
>c-kermit; flow control, windows, blocks etc..  Is it possible for me
>to have these commands as a script or macro in my home directory.
>
Yes, all of the above, as explained in the manual, "Using C-Kermit".
The recommended method is to install the standard C-Kermit initialization
file, .kermrc, in your home directory, and then create a .mykermrc
file, also in your home directory, containing the desired customization
commands.  For those who don't like the standard .kermrc file (which
sets up such items as your services directory, dialing directory, etc),
just make a .kermrc file.

>How would I tell c-kermit to use that script.?
>
See above.  You can also tell C-Kermit to use any file at all as its
initialization file, using the -y command-line option:

  kermit -y filename

And at any time C-Kermit is showing its prompt, you can tell it to execute
commands from a file:

  C-Kermit> take filename

And you can define macros and execute them like so:

  C-Kermit> define fast set rec packet-length 2000, set window 4
  C-Kermit> fast
  
And you can put the macro definitions in your initialization file or
any other file that you can "take".

All of this is explained in the manual.

>2.  It has been suggested in the past that the telnet capabilites of
>kermit are superior to the normal telnet.  Is it possible to use those
>telnet capabilties with my modem connection. I mean can I put c-kermit
>into Server mode and use its telnet.   Is there any possible benifit
>to gained by doing this over the normal telnet capabilites that are on
>the Unix system?
>
You mean, after dialing up to your Unix system, you want to know why you
might want to use C-Kermit instead of telnet to connect to another system
on the Internet?  The advantages include:

 . Kermit is more user-friendly ("help", "?", command and filename
   completion, etc).

 . The telnet implementation works in some cases where regular
   telnet does not.

 . Kermit has scripting (automation) capability; telnet does not.

 . Kermit has (in the UNIX version, a limited form of) key mapping;
   telnet doesn't.

 . Kermit can convert among many different character sets, telnet can't.

 . Kermit has session logging, telnet doesn't.

 . Kermit can make 8-bit telnet connections; some telnet clients can't.

 . Kermit can transfer files over a telnet connection, telnet can't.

The last point is important in the increasing number of cases where the
telnetted-to host or service does not provide ftp; e.g. Internet BBSs,
or Internet versions of commercial dialup services.

- Frank

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From: dan@pasteur.fr (Daniel Azuelos)
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When using Mac Kermit .991(190) I'd like to be able to type
8bits character, much the same way we (on this side of the planet)
are used to do it on any Mac.

As an example, 'Alt-e e' should give an 'e acute' both on the
screen and on the host computer to which I'm connected:
displayed as i, and sent to the computer as 0xe9.

Is this possible ? What should I do ? May I do (write, program) it ?

Thanx for any hint.
-- 
dan                 ``Et pourtant ga tourne....''

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From: billmaly@iastate.edu (WhoWantsTaKnow)
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I want to download files(quickly if possible) from my UNIX account to my
DOS PC at home. What is the best version of KERMIT for this and where
might I find it? Any help is appreciated.


-- 
Bill Maly
billmaly@iastate.edu







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WhoWantsTaKnow (billmaly@iastate.edu) wrote:
: I want to download files(quickly if possible) from my UNIX account to my
: DOS PC at home. What is the best version of KERMIT for this and where
: might I find it? Any help is appreciated.


: -- 
: Bill Maly
: billmaly@iastate.edu

 ftp to  kermit.columbia.edu
  in directory /kermit/test/bin
	get the file mstibm.zip   This is the latest beta version.  I
also suggest that you get the manual "Using Ms-Dos Kermit" 2nd edition
by Christine M. Gianone   Digital press $34.95 isbn 1-55558-082-3

You may also want the Manual for Unix it is "Kermit: a file transfer
protocol" by Frank da Cruz  $29.95

To order these directly from the publisher dial 1 800 344 4825





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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Mac Kermit .991(190) 8bits ?
Date: 10 Jan 1995 14:00:57 GMT
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In article <3esgd6INN4dm@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr>,
Daniel Azuelos <dan@pasteur.fr> wrote:
>When using Mac Kermit .991(190) I'd like to be able to type
>8bits character, much the same way we (on this side of the planet)
>are used to do it on any Mac.
>
>As an example, 'Alt-e e' should give an 'e acute' both on the
>screen and on the host computer to which I'm connected:
>displayed as i, and sent to the computer as 0xe9.
>
You should be able to do it.  Please read the ckmker.bwr
file that accompanies Mac Kermit 0.991(190).  You will see
there are many shortcomings in the international character-set
support, but it still can be done.

You have to tell Kermit (in the Terminal settings) to allow
8-bit characters, and you have to select Latin-1 as the
character-set.

The big problem is with entering 8-bit characters.  Since
Mac Kermit's font is not a regular system font, but rather
a built-in one, you can't use Keycaps in the normal way, which
is frustrating.

Nevertheless, you should be able to enter 8-bit characters in
the normal way, provided you have not done anything to the
Alt (Option?) key in the Modifiers dialog of the Key Settings
menu.

- Frank

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I log into my account using C-Kermit for VAX (the latest version)
over a 14.4 modem into a Cisco terminal server and connect
to my an RS/6000 running AIX.

When I use the WWW via Lynx, sometimes the screen becomes
complete garbage, i.e.  all the characters that were once
normal, switch to bizarre characters.  I know this is a C-Kermit
caused phenomenon, as I've dialed using DTEPAD many many times
in the past with no ill effects.

What kind of "set"'s can I do before I dial, at the Cisco prompt,
or on my AIX machine that might alleviate this problem???

It appears to happen mostly when I'm "arrowing" around in Lynx,
and I suspect would happen on any other full screen application
that I ran.

Thanks,
	Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves." 
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Strange characters
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In article <D27Dv4.DM1@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu>,
Erik Hatcher <esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:
>
>I log into my account using C-Kermit for VAX (the latest version)
>over a 14.4 modem into a Cisco terminal server and connect
>to my an RS/6000 running AIX.
>
Which version of AIX?

>When I use the WWW via Lynx, sometimes the screen becomes
>complete garbage, i.e.  all the characters that were once
>normal, switch to bizarre characters.  I know this is a C-Kermit
>caused phenomenon, as I've dialed using DTEPAD many many times
>in the past with no ill effects.
>
First you have to tell us what you are using for a terminal or
terminal emulator.  Then you would need to describe the garbage in
greater detail.  Is it a jumble of line- and box-drawing characters?
Or is it a lot of accented letters?

>What kind of "set"'s can I do before I dial, at the Cisco prompt,
>or on my AIX machine that might alleviate this problem???
>
>It appears to happen mostly when I'm "arrowing" around in Lynx,
>and I suspect would happen on any other full screen application
>that I ran.
>
First, carefully check your terminal type in AIX.  Be sure it is
not AIXTERM!  If it is, change it to vt-whatever (depending on your
terminal or emulator).

Next, be sure to tell C-Kermit to:

  set terminal bytesize 8
  set command bytesize 8

as described in the manual, for accessing an 8-bit application like Lynx
(or rn, or trn, etc).

Finally, depending on exactly what kind of text you are accessing with
Lynx, and what your terminal or emulator is, be sure to set either C-Kermit
or your terminal (emulator) for the proper character-set translations.

If this is not enough to get things working for you, send me e-mail with
the details and maybe a session log.

- Frank

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Hi,

I can't find the FAQ for this newsgroup. Is there one ? I'd like
to see it, as I've just installed kermit on a PC with a modem,
and was wondering if kermit could be left (in some mode) to answer
the phone as a server, and dish out files to whoever calls in.

Any help greatly appreciated!

Cheers,

Alastair Davies
University of Bristol
U.K.


alastair.davies@bristol.ac.uk

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From: sompop@morakot.nectec.or.th (Sompop Kumnoonsate)
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Subject: Status line is overwritten
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Is there a way to set kermit to display only 24 lines?
I use kermit 3.14 beta 8 to connect to DEC Alpha OSF 3.0.
The TERM environment is set to VT320.
DEC always sends <ESC>[25;1H when I use "more" and the next character
will display over status line.  If the screen is scrolled the first line
will show the last line of previous screen. But it will be disappeared
after redraw screen.

Thanks,
Sompop Kumnoonsate
sompop@morakot.nectec.or.th


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Subject: Re: Is there an FAQ ?
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In article <D28r3q.A00@info.bris.ac.uk>,
AL. Davies <glald@zeus.bris.ac.uk> wrote:
>I can't find the FAQ for this newsgroup. Is there one ?
>
Yes.  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit,
file FAQ.TXT.

>I'd like
>to see it, as I've just installed kermit on a PC with a modem,
>and was wondering if kermit could be left (in some mode) to answer
>the phone as a server, and dish out files to whoever calls in.
>
This is not covered in the FAQ because it is covered in the manual,
"Using MS-DOS Kermit", chapters 10 and 11:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $45 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn
  on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada)
    +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada)
    +44 993 58521   (Rushden, England office for Europe)
    +61 2 372-5511  (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand)
    +65 220-3684    (Singapore office for Asia)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany
    (1991), 414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for
    the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including
    German-language help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price:
    DM 69,00.  ISBN 3-88229-006-4.  Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG,
    Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.  Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0,
    Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29.

  And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer
    & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.  Packaged with version 3.11 of
    MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch
    diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.
    Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles.
    Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Status line is overwritten
Date: 11 Jan 1995 14:43:05 GMT
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In article <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th>,
Sompop Kumnoonsate <sompop@morakot.nectec.or.th> wrote:
>Is there a way to set kermit to display only 24 lines?
>
It is, by default.

>I use kermit 3.14 beta 8 to connect to DEC Alpha OSF 3.0.
>The TERM environment is set to VT320.
>DEC always sends <ESC>[25;1H when I use "more" and the next character
>will display over status line.  If the screen is scrolled the first
>line will show the last line of previous screen. But it will be
>disappeared after redraw screen.
>
The vt320 has 24 regular lines and one status line.  The status line
should not be addressed by regular cursor-positioning commands like
<ESC>[25;1H, but rather by:

 CSI Ps $ }	DECSASD		Select active status display
	Ps = 0 select main display
	Ps = 1 select status line
	Moves cursor to selected display area. This command will be
	ignored unless the status line has been enabled by CSI 2 $
	~. When the status line has been selected cursor remains there
	until the main display is reselected by CSI 0 $ }.

 CSI Ps $ ~	DECSSDT		Select Status Line Type
			Ps	meaning
			0 	no status line (empty)
			1	indicator line (locally owned, Kermit default)
			2	host-writable line

Check your vt320 termcap entry.  There are items such as "hs, "ds",
"es", "fs", "ts", and "ws" that are used to handle the status line.

Note that Kermit protects its status line from ordinary screen
operations.  It does not scroll, it does not disappear when the screen
is cleared, etc.  However, Kermit does allow the status line to be
addressed directly by the host via <ESC>[25;xH, because this is commonly
used by host applications like sysline, etc.

Some OTHER applications apparently rely on the fact that if you address
a line (row) number that is greater than the actual number of lines,
that the cursor will go to the last line.  (One program that absolutely
relies on this fact is "resize".)

The problem comes in when we address "last line plus one" -- the purpose
of this direct addressing is ambiguous.  So we have two classes of
applications whose use of <ESC>[25;xH are in direct conflict with each
other.

The solution, in UNIX at least, is to cook up separate termcap/terminfo
entries for the two variations.

- Frank

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Status line is overwritten
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In article <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th>, sompop@morakot.nectec.or.th (Sompop Kumnoonsate) writes:
> Is there a way to set kermit to display only 24 lines?
	It does.
> I use kermit 3.14 beta 8 to connect to DEC Alpha OSF 3.0.
> The TERM environment is set to VT320.
> DEC always sends <ESC>[25;1H when I use "more" and the next character
> will display over status line.  If the screen is scrolled the first line
> will show the last line of previous screen. But it will be disappeared
> after redraw screen.
	That's a mistake in OSF. Kermit has provided access to the status
line, for many many years, by allowing it to be targeted directly via 
such a cursor steering command. Real VT300's will put the cursor on line
24 rather than 25 (or whatever the status line is in Kermit, depending
on screen length).
	I suggest having a look at the termcap/terminfo material on
your system and change the item which mistakenly references line 25.
        Joe D.

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Subject: What is name of DOS initialization file?
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:40:28 -0500
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I have things to put in it, but I don't know what it's called.  And does
anyone know where I can download the manual for Kermit for DOS? 

__________________________________________________________________________
Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com


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I dialed into a BBS that uses Caucus (Echonyc).  Suddenly my backspace 
vanished -- it kept producing control-B characters.  Has anyone else had 
this problem in Caucus or elsewhere?  Any solutions?

__________________________________________________________________________
Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com


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I had a similar problem - whenever I got noise on the line the 
terminal would go to a graphics character set.  I circumvented
the problem by setting all the graphic character tables to the
same character set.  For example:
    set term char ascii g0 g1 g2 g3

I don't know if this is the same problem, but you might give it
a shot.  I'm sure Frank could give a more technical explanation.

Russ Forthofer

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: What is name of DOS initialization file?
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950111133859.15650A-100000@panix3.panix.com>,
Michael Pollak  <mpollak@panix.com> wrote:
>I have things to put in it, but I don't know what it's called.  And does
>anyone know where I can download the manual for Kermit for DOS? 
>
It's called MSKERMIT.INI.  You can download the manual from your local
bookstore:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Bug in Kermit/Caucus interface: no backspace
Date: 12 Jan 1995 13:55:57 GMT
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950111221330.12955A-100000@panix3.panix.com>,
Michael Pollak  <mpollak@panix.com> wrote:
>I dialed into a BBS that uses Caucus (Echonyc).  Suddenly my backspace 
>vanished -- it kept producing control-B characters.  Has anyone else had 
>this problem in Caucus or elsewhere?  Any solutions?
>
Please consult our new FAQ:

  anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit, file FAQ.TXT.

- Frank

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From: edge@dircon.co.uk (Spencer Clay)
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Subject: RESET MODEM HELP !!!
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Please can anyone help us to reset a modem,
By using a batch file for DOS,(possibly Kermit).
We know the AT commands to manually do this using Kermit,
they are:
AT&F8
AT&f0
AT&w0
ATZ
But we want to be able to send these commands directly
to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line.
Please help us we are stupid!!!!!!!!

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From: tem@scout.humboldt.edu (Tom Mendenhall)
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Does anyone know if the 3.14 version of Kermit will emulate a Wyse 60 
terminal?

Running Unixware with DOS Merge. A Wyse 60 terminal will send PC keyboard 
scancodes plus emulate a 25 line monochrome display. A vt100 terminal 
requires a bunch of set key definitions or the user must press esc 1 for 
F1, etc.

Thanks,
tom




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From: rockwell@nova.umd.edu (Raul Deluth Miller)
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Subject: Re: RESET MODEM HELP !!!
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Spencer Clay:
   AT&F8
   AT&f0
   AT&w0
   ATZ
   But we want to be able to send these commands directly to our modem
   with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line.

How about

kermit set port com2, set speed 9600, output AT&F8&f0&w0Z\13
   
?

[omit the set port if you're on com 1], omit the set speed if it's
already set right.  Include the path to kermit if it's not already in
your path.  call kermit kermit.exe if there's a kermit.bat that
conflicts..  Newer versions of kermit may have a different command
line syntax?]

-- 
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From: Steve Layten <slayten@cas.org>
Subject: ms-kermit and PCTCP
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I've just spent a frustrating few days trying to get ms-kermit set up on a
PC using FTP Software's PCTCP under Windows for Workgroups 3.11.  There
were several difficulties, but I now think I have a setup that works
(mostly).

I scoured the docs in the latest beta release of ms-kermit in the networks
directory.  I read the bwr file, the help file, etc., but still had
trouble.  Part of the trouble is a "user hostile" environment in my
organization -- We have a site license for FTP Software's PCTCP, and
limited copies of the documentation.  Our network folks are too busy
"solving real problems" to help internal users set up their machines in
any "non-standard" setup.  "Use what we give you -- it works for us." is
implicit, whether we like the setup or not.

First, I'd like to thank J. Doupnik for his good work.  I've been using
MS-Kermit for years to access my UNIX system at work from home.  What a
quality product!


Now, I'd like to correct an error in and expand upon Section 4.1 of the file
"setup.doc" in the networks directory.

---- Begin corrected/updated section 4.1 of file networks/setup.doc ------

(4.1) FTP Software Inc. PC/TCP.

Use the FTP Telnet interface TNGLASS and run Kermit from it.

  tnglass host.domain <optional port> -c 0 -i -e kermit.exe

  (The spaces between "-c" and "0" and "-e" and "kermit.exe" are required.)

This example uses communication port 1 (-c0) so tell Kermit SET PORT BIOS1,
and the -i option says to keep the TCP connection alive until the terminal
emulator (Kermit) has started using the Int 14h communications pathway.

The TNGLASS interface causes the "ENTER" key to send <CR><LF> pairs, as
specified in the Telnet protocol specification.  This may cause some
problems in connecting to UNIX machines.  I found that using "stty igncr"
helped, along with "set key \284 \10" to re-map the "ENTER" key to send a
newline.  (Using "set term newline off" and/or "set tcp newline off"
didn't seem to help.)

My configuration: Gateway 2000 P90 machine
		  3C5X9 network card? (I'm real fuzzy here.)
		  MS-DOS 6.22
		  Windows for Workgroups V3.11
		  FTP Software's PCTCP software, with \pctcp\3c5x9pd.com
		     and \pctcp\vxdinit.exe loaded in autoexec.bat  (I'm
		     not sure what version of PCTCP, but TNGLASS reports
		     V3.0.)
		  My tnglass.pif has "hostname -c 3 -i -e kermit.exe"
		     supplied as command-line arguments, and in my
		     mscustom.ini, I've specified "Set port BIOS4"

Here's output from "stty -a" on a SunOS 4.1.X Sparcstation 2:

   speed 38400 baud, 24 rows, 80 columns
   parenb -parodd cs7 -cstopb -hupcl cread -clocal -crtscts 
   -ignbrk brkint ignpar -parmrk -inpck istrip -inlcr igncr -icrnl -iuclc 
   ixon -ixany -ixoff imaxbel 
   isig -iexten icanon -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -tostop 
   echoctl -echoprt echoke 
   opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel 
   erase  kill   werase rprnt  flush  lnext  susp   intr   quit   stop   eof
   ^H     ^U     ^W     ^R     ^O     ^V     ^Z/^Y  ^?     ^\     ^S/^Q  ^D     

I hope this is helpful!

Steve Layten (slayten@cas.org)
---- END    corrected/updated section 4.1 of file networks/setup.doc ------

I now seem to have just one more problem.  When using 'vi' on my UNIX
host, at times I get "beeps" in ms-kermit like it has lost characters. I
see it when 'vi' is "wrapping" a fairly large word (set wm=6, type a word
near the right margin, and 'vi' moves the word to the next line).  I also
seem to see it when I use the '^w' key in input mode to erase a word.  The
word is not completely erased, and the cursor is not in the right place.
I'm not sure what to change to prevent ms-kermit from losing the
characters.  Any insights would be appreciated.

Thanks again especially to J. Doupnik and Frank da Cruz for their support,
and Thanks in advance to any of you that can help.

Steve Layten



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From: jawarric@ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Warrick)
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Subject: ** Kermit Quits after 1 Error: Why?
Date: 12 Jan 1995 06:59:22 GMT
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I have been playing around, and I still can't figure out why kermit quits 
after 1 error has occurred.  The error is usually a 'Bad Block'  (nothing 
important).  I would greatly appreciate any advice, since I can't even 
transfer big files because of this.  Here is the 'show' from my kermit:

C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SCO ODT 3.0
Communications Parameters:
 Line: /dev/tty, speed: 0, mode: remote, modem: direct
 Parity: none, duplex: full, flow: xon/xoff, handshake: none

Protocol Parameters:   Send    Receive
 Timeout (used= 7):      7       10        Server Timeout:   0
 Padding:                0        0        Block Check:      3
 Pad Character:          0        0        Delay:            2
 Packet Start:           1        1        Max Retries:     10
 Packet End:            13       13
 Packet Length:        900      900     
 Maximum Length:      9024     9024        Window Size:     10 set, 0 used
 Buffer Size:         9065     9065        Locking-Shift:    enabled, not used

File parameters:        Attributes:       on
 Names:   literal       Debugging Log:    none
 Type:    binary        Packet Log:       none  Longest filename: 512
 Collide: rename        Session Log:      none  Longest pathname: 255
 Display: serial        Transaction Log:  none

File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete Files: discard, Init file: .kermrc

The packet-length, window size, block check are all the same on my 
computer and I get great transfer rate.  I'm using a GW2000 computer, 
Crosstalk for Windows, and a 14.4 modem.  The only other settings I can 
play with on Crosstalk are prefixes, and I don't want to play with them.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks so much!





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From: jmurphy@uoguelph.ca (Janice Murphy)
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Subject: DOS Kermit and Novell NASI
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I have been trying to automate a dialing script with the latest Kermit beta
to connect to a NASI server (Netware Connect on our Novell 3.12 
Fileserver) and can do it manually fine but not script wise. Any pointers 
from this group. The following is what I would like to happen:

c:\kermit\kermit
...
....   initialize the setup,keys, etc
def modem take sport.scr
set speed 19200
set port novell
out connect dialout \13
modem T555-1212
connect

What happens after the out connect dialout \13 is OK, but when I say 
modem T555-1212 I am back at the NASI 1:1> prompt. GO FIGURE :)

Any clues as how to get my script working automatically with Netware 
Conenct and NASI.  Thanks.

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In article <ROCKWELL.95Jan12132844@nova.umd.edu>, rockwell@nova.umd.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) says:

>kermit set port com2, set speed 9600, output AT&F8&f0&w0Z\13

THANKS !!!!

This solution worked perfectly

Spencer.

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In article <3f2k0a$a8v@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
Jeff Warrick <jawarric@ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>I have been playing around, and I still can't figure out why kermit quits 
>after 1 error has occurred.  The error is usually a 'Bad Block'  (nothing 
>important).  I would greatly appreciate any advice, since I can't even 
>transfer big files because of this.  Here is the 'show' from my kermit:
>
>C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SCO ODT 3.0
>...
>The packet-length, window size, block check are all the same on my 
>computer and I get great transfer rate.  I'm using a GW2000 computer, 
>Crosstalk for Windows, and a 14.4 modem.  The only other settings I can 
>play with on Crosstalk are prefixes, and I don't want to play with them.
>
You'll have to ask the Crosstalk people about it.  C-Kermit 5A (current
version is 190) works fine with MS-DOS Kermit and gets terrific transfer
rates.

Try MS-DOS Kermit and see if the same thing happens to you.  If it does,
we'll be glad to help out by looking at packet logs, etc, but Crosstalk is
an unknown quantity to us, and is supported by the Crosstalk people.

MS-DOS Kermit: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory
kermit/bin, file mstibm.zip.  Unzip with "-d" switch.  Read top-level
READ.ME to get started.

- Frank

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In article <3f3q36$bri@nic-nac.csu.net>,
Tom Mendenhall <tem@scout.humboldt.edu> wrote:
>Does anyone know if the 3.14 version of Kermit will emulate a Wyse 60 
>terminal?
>
It emulates a Wyse 50.  To the best of our knowledge, a Wyse 60 is just
a Wyse 50 with some emulations for other terminal types added.

>Running Unixware with DOS Merge. A Wyse 60 terminal will send PC keyboard 
>scancodes plus emulate a 25 line monochrome display. A vt100 terminal 
>requires a bunch of set key definitions or the user must press esc 1 for 
>F1, etc.
>
No, Kermit does not send scan codes, and does not allow the status line
to be used as a regular screen line.

Yes, you can map keys to send anything you want using SET KEY, and you
can use Kermit in most common video modes: 80x25, 80x43, 80x60, etc, but
the bottom line is always special.

When using Kermit to access your UnixWare system, you have a number of
emulations to choose from, but they all work more or less like real
terminals, not like system consoles.

- Frank

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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows
was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995.  The Beta testing period
is over; thanks to all of you who participated!

For a more detailed announcement, see comp.protocols.kermit.announce.

- Frank

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kudut@ritz.mordor.com <Ken>
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                                                            12.Jan.1995

In article <3f3caf$4p4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
> In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950111133859.15650A-100000@panix3.panix.com>,
> Michael Pollak  <mpollak@panix.com> wrote:
> >I have things to put in it, but I don't know what it's called.  And does
> >anyone know where I can download the manual for Kermit for DOS? 
> >
> It's called MSKERMIT.INI.  You can download the manual from your local
> bookstore:
> 
>   Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
>   Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
>   1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
>   IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.
> 
> - Frank

ROFLMAO!!!  :-)  "You can download the manual from your local bookstore"
:->

Pardon my silliness, but I got a kick out of how you worded it, Frank :-)




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kudut@ritz.mordor.com <Ken>
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                                                            12.Jan.1995
                     [response e-mailed and posted]

In article <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk>,
edge@dircon.co.uk (Spencer Clay) wrote:
> Please can anyone help us to reset a modem,
> By using a batch file for DOS,(possibly Kermit).
> We know the AT commands to manually do this using Kermit,
> they are:
> AT&F8
> AT&f0
> AT&w0
> ATZ
> But we want to be able to send these commands directly
> to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line.
> Please help us we are stupid!!!!!!!!

It depends what communications port your modem uses.  Try the
following - one of which will probably work.

C:\> ECHO AT&F8 > COM1:
C:\> ECHO AT&f0 > COM1:
C:\> ECHO AT&w0 > COM1:
C:\> ECHO ATZ > COM1:

or

C:\> ECHO AT&F8 > COM2:
C:\> ECHO AT&f0 > COM2:
C:\> ECHO AT&w0 > COM2:
C:\> ECHO ATZ > COM2:


Most modems are set up at COM1: or COM2:.

From what I can gather with these commands, from this point onward, you
should be able to use your modem with programs like Kermit without
any further tinkering.

[but I don't remember my AT command set tonight, so I could be wrong -
I know AT&W generally writes the current settings of the modem
"permanently" in its NVRAM (non-volitile RAM - that means that it
doesn't disappear when you shut the modem off)

Hope this helps.  Perhaps others will give better suggestions.


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Hi all.

Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups
and TCP/IP 32?

In our company we have 3-400 users running Kermit over Lan manager and a 
Packet driver.  That works fine.  However some users need Windows for 
Workgroups, and then a packet driver will not work.

Could anyone please lead a novice to better understandig of Kermit??

Hope to hear from you.

sven@oslonett.no 
[Sven Andreassen]

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kudut@ritz.mordor.com <Ken>
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                                                            14.Jan.1995

In article <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
> 
> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows
> was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995.  The Beta testing period
> is over; thanks to all of you who participated!
> 
> For a more detailed announcement, see comp.protocols.kermit.announce.
> 
> - Frank

Wonderful!  :-)

I saved the announcement - when I get my first paycheck at this new job
next week, I'll be putting in my order for the manual.

[I know it's silly, but I waited to order the manual until version 3.14,
as I wanted an "official" 3.14 on diskette --- even though I'll be
downloading 3.14 from the ftp site now!]

Thanks for the great product, Frank and Joe and all folks who contributed
towards the Kermit effort!  This Kermit-fan isn't disappointed in
the least!

Ken
kudut@ritz.mordor.com

P.S. to Joe D. - what did you compile the source code for Kermit
under?  What directory is it available in - /kermit/a?

Ken


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Gotta figure this has come up before.  We are evaluating a terminal server
that supports tn3270.  No problem using MS-Kermit to connect to the terminal
server and connect via tn3270 to an IBM mainframe.  However, file
transfers (either invoking server on the mainframe or not) always fail.
Connecting through this same terminal server to the same mainframe
through a 7171 presents *no* problem with file transfer.  (BTW: I don't
have to be using tn3270 on a terminal server; file transfers with Kermit
using tn3270 on a Unix host fail the same way).
 
I am speculating that the mainframe Kermit must send a transparent mode
sequence, ordinarily processed by the protocol converter, that is causing the
problem.
 
Soooo, if anybody using tn3270 has successfully transferred files from
an IBM mainframe using Kermit, I would appreciate any information.
 
Thanks in advance ...

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How does one communicate at 28.8 ?  I just bought a US Robotics
28.8 Sportster.  I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there
is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes".  My line 
speed is set for 38400, the highest available.  What else need I do?  
-- 
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In article <r336lqo7I7uR075yn@ritz.mordor.com>, kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) writes:
> kudut@ritz.mordor.com <Ken>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>                                                             14.Jan.1995
> 
> In article <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
>> 
>> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows
>> was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995.  The Beta testing period
>> is over; thanks to all of you who participated!
	<omissions>
> P.S. to Joe D. - what did you compile the source code for Kermit
> under?  What directory is it available in - /kermit/a?
-----
	The makefile explains:
	MASM v6, Microsoft C v7. MSC v6 or MS Quick C will compile the C 
modules too. Sources are in directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu.
	Joe D.

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In article <jzeroD2GGCx.7LM@netcom.com>, Jim Nakamura <jzero@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>How does one communicate at 28.8 ?  I just bought a US Robotics
>28.8 Sportster.  I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there
>is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes".  My line 
>speed is set for 38400, the highest available.  What else need I do?  


You must turn off speed matching on both the modem and in C-Kermit.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
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Subject: Re: Communicating at 28.8 ?
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jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) writes:

>How does one communicate at 28.8 ?  I just bought a US Robotics
>28.8 Sportster.  I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there
>is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes".  My line 
>speed is set for 38400, the highest available.  What else need I do?  

Get a newer version of C-Kermit, which will support 
set speed 115200

You are using a 16550x UART, aren't you?
-- 

Bob Shair                          Open Systems Consultant
1018 W. Springfield Avenue         shair@uiuc.edu
Champaign, IL 61821		   217/356-2684

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kudut@ritz.mordor.com <Ken>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                            15.Jan.1995

> >> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows
> >> was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995.  The Beta testing period
> >> is over; thanks to all of you who participated!
> 	<omissions>
> > P.S. to Joe D. - what did you compile the source code for Kermit
> > under?  What directory is it available in - /kermit/a?
> -----
> 	The makefile explains:
> 	MASM v6, Microsoft C v7. MSC v6 or MS Quick C will compile the C 
> modules too. Sources are in directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu.
> 	Joe D.

Thanks Joe!

I'm in the process of learning C [after being a longtime BASIC and Pascal
person], and want to "play".  There's another IBM-PC environment that I
want to port Kermit to, but my knowledge of C and ASM (and of
the pertinant software developer's kit) is *very* limited at the
moment to simple things - so I'm months from being ready to talk
to Frank about it.

Ken

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Subject: Disable internal commands?
Reply-to: Clotscher@coh.fgg.eur.nl
Date:     Mon, 16 Jan 1995

Dear Kermit Users,

Is there a possibility to disable the (or some) internal Key-commands 
like Alt-X, Alt-=, Alt-Z, etc., while in connect mode (terminal 
emulation)? I could re-define the keys of course, but a command like 
'disable ...' would be nicer (?). Also the normal escape character ^] 
is on our wishlist for disabling.
The reason:
We want to use MS-kermit 3.13 for making an automated script-directed 
TCP/IP connection to a HP9000/720 unix host, login, run a program on 
the host (only screen-info as output), logout, and return to DOS after 
quitting the unix-application. During the session the user may not be 
able to return to the KERMIT> prompt (Alt-X, or ^]C), may not access 
the escape-menu (^].... for sending breaks, toggle capturing, etc., 
etc.). However, all other ctrl- and alt-keys, and cursor controls 
must remain intact.

The script is running fine and everything that we want is working 
O.K. (we love Kermit's scripting facilities!!). The only wish now is 
to secure the procedure for the users to prevent unwanted effects 
caused by accidentally used keys.

Second question: Is it possible to use a DOS-environment variable in 
a script-file in the output command? We have a DOS-variable 'GROUP' 
which content we want to pass to the unix-host. I think we must use 
someting like "$GROUP". Is this correct?

Thank you for your help!
Sincerely,





Pim Clotscher
Erasmus University Rotterdam - NL
I&A - Computer Support Hoboken
Tel. +31-104087420 / Fax +31-104362719
E-mail (Internet): clotscher@coh.fgg.eur.nl


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jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

| In article <jzeroD2GGCx.7LM@netcom.com>, Jim Nakamura <jzero@netcom.com> wrote:
| >
| >How does one communicate at 28.8 ?  I just bought a US Robotics
| >28.8 Sportster.  I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there
| >is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes".  My line 
| >speed is set for 38400, the highest available.  What else need I do?  


| You must turn off speed matching on both the modem and in C-Kermit.


	I'm afraid this answer went completely over my head.
	Could you give me an "idiot proof" response?  (-;


-- 
jzero@netcom.com

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32
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In article <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no>,
Sven Andreassen <sven@oslonett.no> wrote:
>Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups
>and TCP/IP 32?
>
Yes.

>In our company we have 3-400 users running Kermit over Lan manager and a 
>Packet driver.  That works fine.  However some users need Windows for 
>Workgroups, and then a packet driver will not work.
>
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file that includes an extensive
discussion of this problem.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary
mode, file msvibm.zip.  Unzip with "-d" switch.  Read top-level READ.ME
to get started.  Read the Windows for Workgroups of NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC
for the information you are asking for.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit File Transfer and tn3270
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In article <173276AEB.BDESIMON@uga.cc.uga.edu>,
Bert DeSimone <BDESIMON@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> wrote:
>Gotta figure this has come up before.  We are evaluating a terminal server
>that supports tn3270.  No problem using MS-Kermit to connect to the terminal
>server and connect via tn3270 to an IBM mainframe.  However, file
>transfers (either invoking server on the mainframe or not) always fail.
>Connecting through this same terminal server to the same mainframe
>through a 7171 presents *no* problem with file transfer.  (BTW: I don't
>have to be using tn3270 on a terminal server; file transfers with Kermit
>using tn3270 on a Unix host fail the same way).
> 
>I am speculating that the mainframe Kermit must send a transparent mode
>sequence, ordinarily processed by the protocol converter, that is causing 
>the problem.
> 
One of the major strengths of the Kermit protocol is its ability to
transfer files with IBM mainframes over a wide variety of connection
types, and there is an excellent Kermit software program for the IBM
mainframe, which is available for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO (and ROSCOE), CICS, and
MUSIC.  The current version is 4.3.0, with version 4.3.1 in beta test.

All of the Kermit books and manuals ("Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol",
"Using MS-DOS Kermit", "Using C-Kermit", and the IBM mainframe Kermit
online manuals) describe the process(es) in some detail.  Here is a brief
summary.

Half-duplex (local-echo), line-at-a-time connections are generally handled
by the "ibm" macro that is built in to MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, which
performs the following protocol-related settings:

  set local-echo on
  set parity mark
  set flow none
  set handshake xon

Full-screen sessions go through a 3270 terminal emulator.  This can reside
anywhere between the client software (such as MS-DOS Kermit) and the
mainframe.  For the past 10 or 20 years, the most common place to find the
3270 emulator was on a special purpose "protocol converter": a box that
has serial lines on one side and a connection to the mainframe on the
other.  This box generally works by tricking the mainframe into thinking
it is a "control unit" with multiple 3270 terminals attached, and at the
same time tricking the terminals into thinking they are communicating with
a "normal" ASCII character-at-a-time host.  The box converts between 3270
data streams and ASCII terminal (e.g. VT100) conventions.  This includes
ASCII/EBCDIC character-set conversion, cursor positioning and screen
painting, and keystroke interpretation.

As you can imagine, all of these conversions would normally have a
disastrous effect on Kermit protocol packets, and also upon any other type
of data that has to be transmitted "as is", without conversion, such as
graphics terminal directives.  Thus, many protocol converters support a
"transparent mode", that allows the mainframe host to command them to turn
off their conversion functions, and at a later time, turn them back on.

When everything works as planned, the only Kermit commands required for
going through the protocol converter are:

  set flow xon/xoff ; (usually)
  set parity even   ; (or other)

Everything else corresponds to the normal Kermit defaults (remote echo,
no "handshake", etc).

Unfortunately, the method for entering and leaving transparent mode
differs from one 3270 emulation product to another.  Ideally, there are
two components: (1) the identification phase, in which the mainframe
software issues a special instruction that causes the protcol converter to
respond in a unique (but harmless) way; and (2) the actual enter- and
exit-transparent-mode directives.

IBM Mainframe Kermit needs to know which kind of transparency, if any, is
used by the protocol converter so it can be put into transparent mode at
the beginning of packet protocol and taken out of it upon return to
interactive command mode.  There are several ways that mainframe Kermit
can go about this.  First, you can use the SET CONTROLLER command to tell
it which style of transparency is used by the protocol converter.  Second,
mainframe Kermit can be set up by the system administrator to always use a
particular style.  Third, it can attempt to "autodiscover" the controller
type by issuing various types of identification queries and checking the
results.  The third method is not very reliable, however, since many types
of protocol converters fail to respond to these queries even when they do
implement a particular style of transparency.

Nowadays, special-purpose protocol converters are giving way to general
purpose terminal and compute servers that include a "tn3270" function.
tn3270 is a special kind of TELNET program that also performs 3270
emulation, and requires that the mainframe be on TCP/IP network and have
a TN3270 server.  Here are two examples:

 1. UNIX tn3270.  Most UNIX systems come with a tn3270 program that lets
    you make a full-screen connection to an IBM mainframe.  Once you have
    made the connection, you should be able to start Kermit on the
    mainframe, give it a SEND, RECEIVE, or SERVER command, escape back to
    your terminal emulator (e.g. MS-DOS Kermit), and transfer files
    without any special settings.  If you have trouble with this, then:

     . Ask mainframe Kermit to "show controller".  If it doesn't say
       Series/1, then tell it to "set controller series1".

     . Try using shorter packets.  The maximum length that can pass
       through the protocol converter might be less than what you are
       trying to use.  A typical maximum value might be 1700.

     . Tell one or both Kermit programs to "set parity space".

 2. Cisco terminal server tn3270.  Current releases of Cisco terminal
    server software include a tn3270 feature that is supposed to permit
    Kermit transfers, but it has bugs.  Sometimes these bugs can be worked
    around by using the methods listed in (1) above and specifying VERY
    short packets, like 30 or 40 bytes.  Sometimes they can't be worked
    around at all.  A future release of Cisco software (probably 10.3)
    will include new tn3270 software that implements Series/1-style
    transparency correctly, and allows Kermit transfers of both text and
    binary files in both directions using packet lengths up to about 1900
    (or whatever the total screen size is).

If you try all of these workarounds with your terminal server and still
get failed transfers, make packet logs and/or debug logs in both Kermit
programs to find out what the terminal server is delivering to each Kermit
program, and report the misbehavior to your terminal server vendor.

For further information about specific protocol converters and how to
configure IBM Mainframe Kermit for them, please read the ik0aaa.hlp file
that comes with IBM Mainframe Kermit.

Finally, it is possible to transfer files through a 3270 fullscreen
connection even when 3270 emulator can't be put into transparent mode at
all.  You can read about this in the C-Kermit update notes file
(ckcker.upd) and the MS-DOS Kermit update notes files (KERMIT.UPD).
Quoting from the latter:

"Doomsday Kermit" (DDK) techniques allow file transfer with IBM mainframes
through 3270 protocol converters that do NOT support transparent mode, to be
used in conjunction with IBM Mainframe Kermit's SET CONTROLLER FULLSCREEN
command on VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, or CICS.  MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 or later and IBM
Mainframe Kermit 4.2.3 or later required.  Commands:
	
  SET PARITY EVEN	 ; Or whatever
  SET FLOW XON/XOFF	 ; Or whatever
  SET SEND START 62	 ; Greater-than sign
  SET RECEIVE START 62	 ; Ditto
  SET BLOCK BLANK-FREE-2 ; New block-check type
  SET HANDSHAKE NONE

BLANK-FREE-2 is a new block-check type, exactly like type 2, except encoded
to never contains blanks.  Give IBM Mainframe Kermit the following commands:

  SET CONTROLLER FULL
  SET SEND START 62
  SET RECEIVE START 62
  SET BLOCK BLANK-FREE-2
  SET HANDSHAKE 0

Doomsday Kermit file transfers are not as reliable as regular Kermit protocol
transfers, and they are much slower.  Use this method only as a last resort;
that is, only when you can't get a transparent-mode fullscreen connection or
a linemode connection to the mainframe.

(end quote)

And beyond finally: in the future, we expect to add 3270 emulation to the
Kermit software itself, so you will be able to make tn3270 connections
directly from Kermit to the mainframe without having to go through a
"black box" for the conversion.  Of course, Kermit software will handle
transparency correctly (and automatically).  (And no, I can't estimate
when built-in 3270 emulation will be available.)

- Frank

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In article <Clotsche.95.2F1A62AC@coh.fgg.eur.nl>,
P. CLOTSCHER @ COH <Clotsche@coh.fgg.eur.nl> wrote:
>Is there a possibility to disable the (or some) internal Key-commands 
>like Alt-X, Alt-=, Alt-Z, etc., while in connect mode (terminal 
>emulation)?
>
Yes: SET KEY <scan-code> \Kignore

>I could re-define the keys of course, but a command like 
>'disable ...' would be nicer.
>
Presently, there is no such command.

>Also the normal escape character ^] is on our wishlist for disabling.
>
You can change the escape character to any other (7-bit) control character,
but there is no way to disable it entirely.

>Second question: Is it possible to use a DOS-environment variable in 
>a script-file in the output command?
>
Yes, as explained in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit":

 \$(name)

where "name" is the name of the desired environment variable, e.g.

  \$(GROUP)

- Frank

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In article <jzeroD2I0DF.9Jn@netcom.com>, Jim Nakamura <jzero@netcom.com> wrote:
>jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
>
>| In article <jzeroD2GGCx.7LM@netcom.com>, Jim Nakamura <jzero@netcom.com> wrote:
>| >
>| >How does one communicate at 28.8 ?  I just bought a US Robotics
>| >28.8 Sportster.  I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there
>| >is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes".  My line 
>| >speed is set for 38400, the highest available.  What else need I do?  
>
>
>| You must turn off speed matching on both the modem and in C-Kermit.
>
>
>	I'm afraid this answer went completely over my head.
>	Could you give me an "idiot proof" response?  (-;

Sorry I was short on time when I replied.  For answers to questions such 
as these you should refer to both your modem manual and the appropriate 
Kermit book, in this case "Using C-Kermit" as it will contain the answers
you need and quite a bit of background info.

When you set the speed with which you are communicating to your modem, 
you are only specifying the interface speed.  Not the speed at which your
modem will connect to the remote modem.  When a connection is made the
modem reports back the actual connect speed.  And depending on how it is 
configured it will change the interface speed between the computer and modem
to match.

This is SPEED-MATCHING.  Now both C-Kermit and the modem must be told to
do the same thing.  Either they both speed-match or they both don't.  But
if they do not agree, once a connection occurs you will get garbage.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip 

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From: jong-min@cae.wisc.edu (Jong-Min Park)
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Subject: xyz-modem through tcp-ip
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Hello,

I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer
on tcp-ip. Here is my setup:
	kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host
	use sz/rz to send/receive files

The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem
transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip.

When using x/y/z-modem transfer, errors such as CHKSUM/packet size/
bad header occurs. I assume x/y/z-modem was mainly created for
modem transfer, so may have problems sending using tcp-ip packets.

Has anyone succeeded in x/y/z-modem transfer using tcp-ip? Otherwise,
what would be the cause for the error? Any solution or hints would be
greatly appreciated.

Please reply to jong-min@engr.wisc.edu if possible. Thank you.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: xyz-modem through tcp-ip
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In article <3feaq7$4aa@news.doit.wisc.edu>,
Jong-Min Park <jong-min@cae.wisc.edu> wrote:
>I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer
>on tcp-ip. Here is my setup:
>	kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host
>	use sz/rz to send/receive files
>
>The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem
>transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip.
>
You have observed that Kermit works, but it is slow, whereas x/y/z-modem
do not work.  You conclude that if x/y/z-modem could be somehow taught
to work, they would be fast, while Kermit would remain slow.  

Kermit can be as fast as or faster than any of the other protocols when
tuned for speed.  This is explained at length in the appropriate manuals
("Using MS-DOS Kermit", "Using C-Kermit", etc), and in our new FAQ, which
you can find at:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT

Kermit's defaults are deliberately conservative to maximize the chance
that it will work on any given connection, even if it works slowly, as you
have seen.

The defaults of X/Y/Z-modem, on the other hand, are set for speed at the
expense of robustness, as you have also seen.

I'd recommend you spend a couple minutes reading up on how to make Kermit
transfers go fast.

- Frank

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Sorry that I may have been a little unclear. Here is more info:

I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer
on tcp-ip. Here is my setup:

	kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host using telnet
	use sz/rz (v1.26 by Chuck Forsberg) to send/receive files

The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem
transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip. And
since there is no way to fiddle with kermit configuration on the
remote host, I'm not sure I can speed up kermit transfer.

When using x/y/z-modem, 'subpacket too long' and 'bad CRC checksum' occurs.

I've succeeded in transferring ascii files between local machines just
to test it: 'sz -a -L 80 filename' and 'rz -a'. If I omit -L, 'subpacket
too long' error occurs. Although 'bad CRC' still occurs, it is only
intermittent. Now binary transfer completely fails (bad CRC), but again
'subpacket long' disappears with -L option.

I think there are two problems: 8-bit control code is being translated
where it shouldn't be. And assembling of subpackets may be causing
problems with tcp-ip packet size limit.

I'm not too familiar with subpacket assembling or zmodem packets, nor
telnet negotiation.

Has anyone succeeded in x/y/z-modem transfer using tcp-ip? Otherwise,
what would be the cause for the error? Any solution or hints would be
greatly appreciated.

Please reply to jong-min@engr.wisc.edu if possible. Thank you.

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This bug manifests itself when using the X11R6 ``resize'' command for
automatically setting the terminal parameters.  After typing resize,
one finds that the `rows' parameter has been set to 231. This bug can
be reproduced with the following Unix Bourne shell commands (while
logged in via kermit):

$ echo -e "\0337\033[r\033[999;999H\033[6n" ; cat - > foo
<Ctrl-D>
<Ctrl-D>
$ cat -v foo
^[[231;80R

This was using kermit.exe from msvibm.zip downloaded from
watsun.cc.columbia.edu:/kermit/bin on Sunday, Jan 16, 1995.
--
Bill Reynolds bill@raptor.lanl.gov
_____________________________________________________________________________
"Our Yosemite turkeys live in the shade of beautiful oak trees"
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <BILL.95Jan16122824@yossarian.lanl.gov>,
Bill Reynolds <bill@goshawk.lanl.gov> wrote:
>This bug manifests itself when using the X11R6 ``resize'' command for
>automatically setting the terminal parameters.  After typing resize,
>one finds that the `rows' parameter has been set to 231. This bug can
>be reproduced with the following Unix Bourne shell commands (while
>logged in via kermit):
>
>$ echo -e "\0337\033[r\033[999;999H\033[6n" ; cat - > foo
><Ctrl-D>
><Ctrl-D>
>$ cat -v foo
>^[[231;80R
>
>This was using kermit.exe from msvibm.zip downloaded from
>watsun.cc.columbia.edu:/kermit/bin on Sunday, Jan 16, 1995.
>
You're right.  It's a bug.

We'll have to develop and issue a patch for it asap.

Thanks for pointing it out.

- Frank

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Thank you so much for all the feedback. I didn't have time to say thank
you to all who replied.

I have mustered enough hints and info to try out several configs and I
finally got some speed (500 to 1000 cps vs. original 49 or zero cps).
Sorry if this was an FAQ, but just so that someone could benefit from
this info, I'm posting my result.

Here is what I found when using kermit or zmodem transfer through
tcp-ip from my host to a remote site:

  In kermit, increasing the receiving packet size can speed up the
    transfer. But if the receiving end cannot be tweaked by the user,
    you are still out of luck (it still works, in contrast to zmodem).

  In zmodem, using a smaller packet size (about 100 bytes for me) and
    escaping control characters from the sending host will avoid
    'subpacket too long' error and 'CRC' error, respectively. Again,
    if you cannot change the configuration from the sending host,
    it just doesn't work.

In conclusion, I now do downloads through kermit transfer and uploads
through zmodem transfer, since the remote host doesn't allow changing
of configurations for both sending and receiving.

One strange thing I've noticed when using zmodem was that packet size
less than about 128 went okay, but anything above it somehow hangs at
the last 1024 bytes remaining (actually I can see that all data actually
were sent, but the remaining size to transfer suddenly rises from 0
to 1024, and then nothing happens).

Here is what I wrote:
> I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer
> on tcp-ip. Here is my setup:

> 	kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host using telnet
> 	use sz/rz (v1.26 by Chuck Forsberg) to send/receive files

> The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem
> transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip. And
> since there is no way to fiddle with kermit configuration on the
> remote host, I'm not sure I can speed up kermit transfer.

> When using x/y/z-modem, 'subpacket too long' and 'bad CRC checksum' occurs.

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I know there are a few different ways to do this, but I am curious about
what others have found is the best method of doing this.

I would like to run MS-DOS Kermit on a DOS workstation connected to a 
Novell Netware v3.12 network. Physically, the network cable is also 
connected to two IBM RS/6000 machines talking TCP/IP. What is the best way
to get MS-Kermit to talk to the RS/6000s while running a Netware client
shell? Should I look at a dual-stack solution? Or is there an easy way to 
encapsulate the TCP/IP packets in the IPX and then have the Netware server
break the TCP/IP packets out?

-Fozz

-- 
"This may seem a bit weird, but that's okay, because it is weird."
	-- The Perl v5.0 manual page.

Doran Barton / Fozziliny Moo (fozz@xmission.com or http://xmission.com/~fozz/ )

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I am also interested in using Kermit's telnet ablilty, but have NO CLUE how.

I'm running SunOS.  I've tried the man pages but without success.

Can anybody help?


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In article <3fgtqe$i0l@xmission.xmission.com>, fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes:
> I know there are a few different ways to do this, but I am curious about
> what others have found is the best method of doing this.
> 
> I would like to run MS-DOS Kermit on a DOS workstation connected to a 
> Novell Netware v3.12 network. Physically, the network cable is also 
> connected to two IBM RS/6000 machines talking TCP/IP. What is the best way
> to get MS-Kermit to talk to the RS/6000s while running a Netware client
> shell? Should I look at a dual-stack solution? Or is there an easy way to 
> encapsulate the TCP/IP packets in the IPX and then have the Netware server
> break the TCP/IP packets out?
--------------
	You don't have to do anything fancy at all. MS-DOS Kermit is
designed to run straight over ODI, as I thought you knew. The only time
shims (ODIPKT + WINPKT) are needed is when MSK runs in a Windows DOS box.
All NW 3 and 4 servers are shipped ready to route TCP/IP traffic at no
extra cost (just load the supplied TCPIP.NLM). Please see the docs in the
MSK 3.14 quick-start archive file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip on kermit.columbia.edu.
	Just as a historical reminder: MS-DOS Kermit was the first non-Novell
TCP/IP program to run over ODI native mode, and I made publically viewable my 
code to accomplish that task. Today a number of vendors offer native ODI 
capability, and that's a good thing. That's not a claim on those vendors, but
rather a longer term view of how these programs fit together.
        Joe D.

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I've been repeatedly trying to upload binary files via
Kermit using TCP/IP.  Text files upload without failure
but binary files are causing the error: 'TOO MANY RETRIES'

Packed length are set to 94 at both ends.
I've tried other lengths, but no success.

Am I doing something that Kermit 3.14 does not like?

This is quite urgent, so I will truly appreciate your help.

thanks.

sul@fiu.edu

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Sulaiman Paperwalla (sul@nomadd.fiu.edu) wrote:
: I've been repeatedly trying to upload binary files via
: Kermit using TCP/IP.  Text files upload without failure
: but binary files are causing the error: 'TOO MANY RETRIES'

: Packed length are set to 94 at both ends.
: I've tried other lengths, but no success.

: Am I doing something that Kermit 3.14 does not like?

: This is quite urgent, so I will truly appreciate your help.

: thanks.

: sul@fiu.edu


Never mind.... I was using 3.14 beta 17.  It works fine with the
new release.

Sorry for this post.

Sul.

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From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
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Tom Mendenhall (tem@scout.humboldt.edu) wrote:
: Does anyone know if the 3.14 version of Kermit will emulate a Wyse 60 
: terminal?

: Running Unixware with DOS Merge. A Wyse 60 terminal will send PC keyboard 
: scancodes plus emulate a 25 line monochrome display. A vt100 terminal 
: requires a bunch of set key definitions or the user must press esc 1 for 
: F1, etc.

I'd be interested in such a use also, but can only see WYSE50 in beta 17
of MS-Kermit 3.14. Joe Doupnik runs Unixware, so he may have some more 
information about this.

-- 
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From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
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Subject: Re: RESET MODEM HELP !!!
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Spencer Clay (edge@dircon.co.uk) wrote:
: Please can anyone help us to reset a modem,
: By using a batch file for DOS,(possibly Kermit).
: We know the AT commands to manually do this using Kermit,
: they are:
: AT&F8
: AT&f0
: AT&w0
: ATZ
: But we want to be able to send these commands directly
: to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line.
: Please help us we are stupid!!!!!!!!

I use the command:

kermit take atz.tak

MSKERMIT.INI:

set flow rts/cts
set block 3
set window 3
set send pack 4000
set receive pack 4000
set port 2
take vt300.ini
set term wrap on

ATZ.TAK:

set port 2
def \%a 0
:try
increment \%a
if > \%a 10 goto end
echo modem initialisation attempt \%a\13\10
output ATZ\13
input 4 OK
if success goto end
if > \%a 2 log session c:\ff\call.log
write session \v(date) \v(time) ATZ \%a FAILED\13\10
goto try
:end
quit

This is for "fixing" stubborn modems.

Does anyone do this kind of thing for modems on Unix machines?
-- 
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              arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au
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From: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain          )
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	Hello everyone.  I have nothing against Kermit, but it's just too
darn slow.  I have been told that I can use a program called sz.exe and use
zmodem from my vms account.  I have gotten this program but as have yet
been unable to get it to work.  Does anyone know of any instructions that I
can use with this particular program or prehaps a differrent utility that I
can use to make my dl's a little bit faster and more productive.  
	I have a 14.4 now but will soon be recieving a PPI 28.8 v.34 in the
mail (they are back-ordered now).  IS there anything that I can do that
will enable me to take full advantage of this increased speed?  BTW, I dial
in to a VAX and we do have a 28.8 modem pool.

Thanks a million!

McClain Watson
JW2998@conrad.appstate.edu
Appalachian State University
Boone, N.C. 28608


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From: kraeutle@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Rainer Kraeutle)
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Hi to All

I would like to know if there is any possibility to
connect two modems via phone line using kermit
protocoll.
I have no problems to connect to a unix host
but how can i manage file transfer to another pc

thanks in advance

--
Rainer Kraeutle,0761/203-(3056/3064) <kraeutle@psychologie.uni-freiburg.de>


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From: anaraven@dcc.uchile.cl (Andres Aravena)
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Hi

We have some problems with C-kermit 5.0 under solaris 2.3. After
choosing between -DSYSV and -DSUN it compiled, but only get
'Operation would block' at any read or write.

Did someone have success with it?
thank you

--
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                                  Univ:	  anaraven@dcc.uchile.cl

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From: sul@nomadd.fiu.edu (Sulaiman Paperwalla)
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Subject: Possible Problem in 3.14
Date: 18 Jan 1995 23:18:25 GMT
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Just got 3.14 and found out the the screen does not stop scrolling
when used with --more-- after 24 lines. (I'm using vt320).

Problem was not there in 3.14 Beta 17.

Has any one else encounter this?

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In article <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu>, sul@nomadd.fiu.edu (Sulaiman Paperwalla) writes:
> Just got 3.14 and found out the the screen does not stop scrolling
> when used with --more-- after 24 lines. (I'm using vt320).
> 
> Problem was not there in 3.14 Beta 17.
> 
> Has any one else encounter this?
------------
	We don't have enough information from you to begin an analysis,
but I can say that MSK 3.14 works fine to my UnixWare machine. Please
check the kind of terminal the host thinks it is talking to.
	Joe D.

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From: jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell)
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  Is there a way in MSkermit to set a machine's full name? I know there
is the command to SET TCP/IP DOMAIN <domain-name>   but I thought this
was not for the full name. Essentially is it possible to set the full
name to match the <Ip-address> set by SET TCP/IP ADDRESS <Ip-address>?
  Or is this done somewhere else (like in the nameserver(s)? (Outside
of kermit's control)
  Thanks,

--
--Larry Powell   jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu


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From: finton@homer.cs.wisc.edu (David Finton)
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I've built Kermit5a188 on my NeXTstation.  It seems to work okay,
but it seems to drop the connection often, after giving me the 
message

Can't read character: I/O error
                               Communications disconnect (Back at localhost)
C-Kermit>

What is the cause of this error?  Do I have some parameters set
wrong?  I've set flow to none, but was told that I should do this
because the NeXT does flow control with the port drivers, as long
as I'm using /dev/cufa, have flow control enabled on the modem, and
am using the NeXT modem cable (which I am).

What's wrong?  In case it's helpful, I'll include my settings below.
Thanks!

--David Finton

------------------------


(Back at localhost)
C-Kermit>show

C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, NeXT
Communications Parameters:
 Line: /dev/cufa, speed: 38400, mode: local, modem: hayes
 Terminal bits: 7, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: none, handshake: none
 Carrier: auto, lockfile: /usr/spool/uucp/LCK/LCK..cufa
 Escape character: 29 (^])

Protocol Parameters:   Send    Receive
 Timeout (used= 7):      7       10        Server Timeout:   0
 Padding:                0        0        Block Check:      1
 Pad Character:          0        0        Delay:            5
 Packet Start:           1        1        Max Retries:     10
 Packet End:            13       13
 Packet Length:         90       90     
 Maximum Length:      9024     9024        Window Size:      1 set, 0 used
 Buffer Size:         9065     9065        Locking-Shift:    enabled, not used

File parameters:        Attributes:       on
 Names:   converted     Debugging Log:    none
 Type:    text          Packet Log:       none  Longest filename: 255
 Collide: backup        Session Log:      none  Longest pathname: 1024
 Display: serial        Transaction Log:  none
 File Character-Set: NeXT Multinational (8-bit)
 Transfer Character-Set: Transparent
File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete Files: discard, Init file: .kermrc
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: modem-modem connection
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In article <3fj71g$m02@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>,
Rainer Kraeutle <kraeutle@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> wrote:
>I would like to know if there is any possibility to
>connect two modems via phone line using kermit
>protocoll.
>
This is the subject of Chapter 11 of the manual, "Using
MS-DOS Kermit" (also available in German).  Very briefly:
One PC must make the call, the other must receive it.
The receiving PC's modem must be placed into "answer mode".
A Kermit program should be started on the receiving PC and
placed in server mode.

For additional details, please read chapters 10 and 11 of
the manual.

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3.
  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and
  compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a
  US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada)
    +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada)
    +44 993 58521   (Rushden, England office for Europe)
    +61 2 372-5511  (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand)
    +65 220-3684    (Singapore office for Asia)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991),
    414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC,
    PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language
    help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price: DM 69,00.  ISBN
    3-88229-006-4.  Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7,
    D-30625 Hannover.  Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29.

  And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie.,
    Versailles (1993), 406 pages.  Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit
    for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette.  Adaption
    francaise: Jean Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.  Heinz Schiefer & Cie.,
    45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles.  Tel. +33 39 53 95 26,
    Fax. +33 39 02 39 71.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Possible Problem in 3.14
Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:15:13 GMT
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In article <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu>,
Sulaiman Paperwalla <sul@nomadd.fiu.edu> wrote:
>Just got 3.14 and found out the the screen does not stop scrolling
>when used with --more-- after 24 lines. (I'm using vt320).
>
>Problem was not there in 3.14 Beta 17.
>
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (not Beta), released 12 January 1995 had a bug
in this area.  It was replaced yesterday, 18 January 1995, by a
version that contained a minor change to fix this bug.  I'll post
a more detailed announcement shortly.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: problems in Solaris 2.3
Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:20:15 GMT
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In article <D2MLwC.21D@dcc.uchile.cl>,
Andres Aravena <anaraven@dcc.uchile.cl> wrote:
>We have some problems with C-kermit 5.0 under solaris 2.3. After
>choosing between -DSYSV and -DSUN it compiled, but only get
>'Operation would block' at any read or write.
>
Just follow the instructions.  There are specific makefile
entries for each machine / operating system / OS version
combination.  Just pick out the most appropriate of the
entries whose names start with "solaris":

  solaris2x    - Solaris 2.x, Sun compiler
  solaris2xg   - Solaris 2.x, GNU cc
  solaris2x25  - Solaris 2.x, Sun compiler and SunLink X.25

For additional details, read the instructions at the top of the
makefile, and in the file ckuins.doc (C-Kermit installation
instructions).

If you can't succeed in compiling the program, you can ftp a
precompiled Solaris 2.3 binary from kermit.columbia.edu.

- Frank

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Rainer Kraeutle (kraeutle@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de) wrote:
: I would like to know if there is any possibility to
: connect two modems via phone line using kermit
: protocoll.

There should be no problem so long as you can tell the called modem to 
answer, either automatically or manually.  The manual command is probably 
ATA.

(If someone has actually done this, please jump in!)

-- 
David Nichols  <helios@netcom.com>

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: "Can't read character: I/O error"
Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:36:12 GMT
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In article <3fkupt$3t6@spool.cs.wisc.edu>,
David Finton <finton@homer.cs.wisc.edu> wrote:
>I've built Kermit5a188 on my NeXTstation.  It seems to work okay,
>but it seems to drop the connection often, after giving me the 
>message
>
>Can't read character: I/O error
>                     Communications disconnect (Back at localhost)
>C-Kermit>
>
>What is the cause of this error?  Do I have some parameters set
>wrong?  I've set flow to none, but was told that I should do this
>because the NeXT does flow control with the port drivers, as long
>as I'm using /dev/cufa, have flow control enabled on the modem, and
>am using the NeXT modem cable (which I am).
>
The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190), but that will not
necessarily affect this problem.  However, the release notes for
version 5A(190) contain more information and are organized better
than in previous releases.  In particular, the ckuker.bwr file
(C-Kermit, Unix version "beware" file) contains sections for each
platform.  Here are the pertinent excerpts from the section on the
NeXT:

(3.4) C-KERMIT AND NEXTSTEP

The SET CARRIER command has no effect on the NeXT -- this is a
limitation of the tty device drivers.

Hardware flow control on the NeXT is selected not by "set flow
rts/cts" in Kermit (since NeXTSTEP offers no API for this), but
rather, by using a specially-named driver for the serial device:
/dev/cufa instead /dev/cua; /dev/cufb instead of /dev/cub.  This is
available only on 68040-based NeXT models (the situation for Intel
NeXTSTEP implementations is unknown).

NeXT-built 68030 and 68040 models have different kinds of serial
interfaces; the 68030 has a Macintosh-like RS-422 interface, which
lacks RTS and CTS signals; the 68040 has an RS-423 (RS-232
compatible) interface, which supports the commonly-used modem
signals.  WARNING: the connectors look exactly the same, but the
pins are used in completely DIFFERENT ways -- different cables are
required for the two kinds of interfaces.

  IF YOU GET LOTS OF RETRANSMISSIONS during file transfer, even when
  using a /dev/cuf* device and the modem is correctly configured for
  RTS/CTS flow control, YOU PROBABLY HAVE THE WRONG KIND OF CABLE.

Does this help?

By the way, until it died recently, I had a NeXTstation on my desk,
so I can personally veryify that Kermit works fine on it with the
right kind of cable.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: tcpip machine name
Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:48:28 GMT
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In article <3fl9pa$quj@cello.gina.calstate.edu>,
Larry Powell <jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu> wrote:
>Is there a way in MSkermit to set a machine's full name? I know there
>is the command to SET TCP/IP DOMAIN <domain-name> but I thought this
>was not for the full name.  Essentially is it possible to set the full
>name to match the <Ip-address> set by SET TCP/IP ADDRESS <Ip-address>?
>
Yes.  You can use SET TCP/IP DOMAIN to set your PC's full name.
But the value of this setting is known only to Kermit itself, and it
is used for only one purpose: to turn "nicknames" into fully qualified
domain names (FQDN).  For example, if your network is called foo.bar.baz
and your PC is called oofa, then its FQDN is oofa.foo.bar.baz.

If you say "set port tcp blah", Kermit sends a query to your name server
for "blah".  If it doesn't get a satisfactory response, then it uses
your SET TCP DOMAIN value to try to make an FQDN.  Normally you would
have your TCP DOMAIN set to your network name rather than your PC's FQDN,
so Kermit would try:

  blah                  (no match)
  blah.foo.bar.baz      (works)

If you set your TCP DOMAIN to your PC's own FQDN, then Kermit tries:

  blah                  (no match)
  blah.oofa.foo.bar.baz (no match)
  blah.foo.bar.baz      (works)

Both ways work, but the second way takes a bit longer.

The best way to set your TCP/IP parameters is from an organizational
BOOTP server.  Then the only command that you (or anybody else) needs
for Kermit TCP/IP setup is SET TCP ADDRESS BOOTP.  The advantages of
this approach are so overwhelming that every site should read about
them and set up a centralized bootp database.  Maybe your site has one
already and you only need to be registered in it.

MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and later support BOOTP at RFC 1395, which allows
the domain name to be downloaded to the PC from the BOOTP database.
The original BOOTP specification (and BOOTP servers and databases based
on it) did not include the domain name.

- Frank

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I am using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 and have a script which connects two TCP/IP 
sessions. My problem is when I do the second SET PORT TCP command to connect 
the second session, a menu appears asking the user if they want to R - 
reconnect to current session, # - enter a specific session number, or N - 
connect a new session. I want to connect to a new session but I don't want the 
user to have to do anything. I have tried INPUT XX Choice>, OUTPUT N\13, but 
this doesn't work I have to physically hit the enter key on the keyboard. Is 
there a way I can turn this menu option off or am I doing something wrong in 
my OUTPUT command.


Thanks for yer help!


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From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair)
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Subject: Can C-Kermit server answer the phone?
Date: 19 Jan 1995 15:13:51 GMT
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Can I use C-Kermit (OS2) to give me remote access to my PC via a
dial-up line?  I'm thinking of putting Kermit in server mode (as 
described in chapter 7 of Using C-Kermit) to give me remote access
from a laptop.  

There's a security issue here, too.
-- 

Bob Shair                          Open Systems Consultant
1018 W. Springfield Avenue         shair@uiuc.edu
Champaign, IL 61821		   217/356-2684

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Bug Fix and Replacement
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, as announced on January 12th, had a pair of bugs
that required a quick replacement.  Very briefly, the bugs were:

 1. Incorrect response to the cursor position report request escape
    sequence, such as the one issued by UNIX `eval resize`, or by
    the login procedure of VMS 6.x, or by recent releases of Pine,
    to determine the size of your physical screen.

 2. Memory corruption if the cursor was positioned off the physical
    screen.

Unfortunately, (2) was very likely to happen because of (1).  For
example, Pine might send the escape sequence from (1), Kermit might
mistakenly report that its screen had 231 lines, and then Pine would
try to write text to bottom of the screen, causing the memory corruption.
The memory corruption manifested itself in various ways: switching to
Tektronix mode, the disappearance of macro definitions, and/or the
inability to EXIT from Kermit.

These bugs are now fixed, thanks to the quick action of Joe Doupnik, and
a new replacement ZIP file is now available.  The Kermit program still
identifies itself as version 3.14, but the date is January 18, 1995,
rather than January 12, 1995.

The corrected version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as follows:

 DIRECTORY                    MODE     DESCRIPTION

  kermit/archives/msvibm.zip   binary   Distribution diskette ZIP file
  kermit/a/msvibmzip.boo       text     Ditto, BOO-encoded
  kermit/a/msvibmzip.uue       text     Ditto, uuencoded

The text-encoded ZIP files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV@CUVMA
as MSVIBMZI.BOO and MSVIBMZI.UUE.

Please replace the January 12th version with the January 18th one.
Apologies for the inconvenience.  All further corrections will be issued
in the form of patches.

- Frank

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Can C-Kermit server answer the phone?
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In article <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair <shair@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Can I use C-Kermit (OS2) to give me remote access to my PC via a
>dial-up line?  I'm thinking of putting Kermit in server mode (as 
>described in chapter 7 of Using C-Kermit) to give me remote access
>from a laptop.  
>

Yes.  set port to  your modem and place it in auto answer mode.
Usually accomplished with ATS0=2\13.  Then just start the server.
it will wait for a connection.

>There's a security issue here, too.

There is no remote login capabilities at present.  However, you can limit
the ability to access directories other than the current and limit what
remote commands are enabled.  So the security breach is not too great.


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip 

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Can C-Kermit server answer the phone?
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In article <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair <shair@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Can I use C-Kermit (OS2) to give me remote access to my PC via a
>dial-up line?  I'm thinking of putting Kermit in server mode (as 
>described in chapter 7 of Using C-Kermit) to give me remote access
>from a laptop.  

Yes.  set port to  your modem and place it in auto answer mode.
Usually accomplished with ATS0=2\13.  Then just start the server.
it will wait for a connection.

>There's a security issue here, too.

There is no remote login capabilities at present.  However, you can limit 
the ability to access directories other than the current and limit what
remote commands are enabled.  So the security breach is not too great.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip 

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I'm using 5A(190) to help test a 38k4 driver for the 3b1.  I sometimes 
get the subject message, with or without the line dropping.  It's not 
from the driver.  Is it from th' frog?  

Thank you.

Bill

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From: fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo)
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Subject: Re: Multiple TCP/IP Sessions in MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13
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Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes:

>I am using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 and have a script which connects two TCP/IP 
>sessions. My problem is when I do the second SET PORT TCP command to connect 
>the second session, a menu appears asking the user if they want to R - 
>reconnect to current session, # - enter a specific session number, or N - 
>connect a new session. I want to connect to a new session but I don't want the 
>user to have to do anything. I have tried INPUT XX Choice>, OUTPUT N\13, but 
>this doesn't work I have to physically hit the enter key on the keyboard. Is 
>there a way I can turn this menu option off or am I doing something wrong in 
>my OUTPUT command.

I just learned how to to this this morning actually. I've been using MSK for
years and never really bothered to figure this goody out until now. Try:

SET PORT TCP/IP <host> NEW
CONNECT

This will automatically start a new Telnet session with the indicated 
host.

If you haven't gotten hold of v3.14 yet, do. The KERMIT.UPD file has a 
comprehensive explanation of these features and any others that have
been added in version 3.12, 3.13, and 3.14.

-Fozz

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Whoops-no RX!?!
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In article <wpfulmorD2nts6.91L@netcom.com>,
william p fulmor <wpfulmor@netcom.com> wrote:
>I'm using 5A(190) to help test a 38k4 driver for the 3b1.  I sometimes 
>get the subject message, with or without the line dropping.  It's not 
>from the driver.  Is it from th' frog?  
>
It is not from the C-Kermit source code (grep -i Whoops ck[cu]*.[ch]).
Maybe it's from some library that it is linked to on the 3b1.  Try:

  strings kermit | grep Whoops

If this comes up empty, then it ain't from the Kermit executable.

- Frank

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From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta)
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Subject: Kermit 3.14 and resize
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I just notized that resize reports incorrect size with kermit 3.14:

set noglob;
setenv COLUMNS '80';
setenv LINES '231';
unset noglob;

Resize reports correct size with kermit 3.10:

set noglob;
setenv COLUMNS '80';
setenv LINES '24';
unset noglob;

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From: cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott)
Subject: COM3 available in 3.14?
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Hi!

	I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could
address COM3 and above. 

	If not, is this a planned feature addition?

					Regards,

					-Cal
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From: awhite@unlinfo.unl.edu (anne white)
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MS-Kermit 3.14 Won't Work Properly
 
1. I recently upgraded to MS-Kermit V3.14 from V3.13, which I have used
   for months.  Although my hardware and operating system remain the 
   same, I cannot complete a dial up successfully.  The computer I am 
   using is an IBM PS/2 77 running OS/2 2.1.  I am also connected to a 
   local area network, just as before. 
    
2. I devised the following test script, just to get to the bare bones
   of the symptoms. 
   ; Test Script
   set modem hayes
   ; dial compuserve
   dial T94749005
    
3. I take this script file from the MS-Kermit prompt and this is what I
   get: 
     3.1. Dialing ...
     3.2. Connect 9600
     3.3. and then nothing, until the connection times out.  I can do
          absolutely nothing.  The cursor is frozen, Control-Break and
          Control-C do not work, nothing.  There is no MS-Kermit
          prompt, nothing.  When the prompt does appear, if you enter
          another command, it is executed with glacial slowness.  I
          even tried "set terminal timeslice-release disable", to no
          effect.

4. I have C-Kermit 5A(190), and it executes just fine.
    
5. Puzzled, and frustrated, in Lincoln, Nebraska, USA.
--
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <3fm855$hri@crcnis3.unl.edu>,
anne white <awhite@unlinfo.unl.edu> wrote:
>MS-Kermit 3.14 Won't Work Properly
> 
>1. I recently upgraded to MS-Kermit V3.14 from V3.13, which I have used
>   for months.  Although my hardware and operating system remain the 
>   same, I cannot complete a dial up successfully.  The computer I am 
>   using is an IBM PS/2 77 running OS/2 2.1.  I am also connected to a 
>   local area network, just as before. 

I am glad to hear that you use C-Kermit.

However, when you do use MS-DOS Kermit under OS/2 I would suggest that
you also use Ray Gwinn's SIO replacement comm drivers.  Ray has implemented
the Fossil standard as a Virtual Driver in OS/2's DOS Sessions.  

By using the Fossil support in 3.14 with Ray's VX00.SYS and SIO.SYS drivers
you will get performance under OS/2 that is as close as you can possibly
get to just having MS-DOS Kermit sitting on top of the actual hardware.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip 

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From: kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Keiko Iwayama)
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My University's zmodem protcol doesn't seem to work at all for uploads, so
I was wondering if anyone knows how to make a Kermit upload "nearly" as
fast as zmodem.  Right now, I can get zmodem to download .zip files at
about 1400 cps, while good-old Kermit does it at 500 cps (U/L and D/L). 
Please email me any help, and thanks in advance. 

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>>>>> "W" == Watson, John McClain <JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU> writes:

    W> 	Hello everyone.  I have nothing against Kermit, but it's just
    W> too darn slow.

You have been mis-informed.  I get transfer rates of 1,600+ cps
on a regular basis with kermit with my 14.4 Kbps modem, and it
only required some minor tweaking on my part.  Look through the
help files for the section on control prefixes, and set your
packet sizes to be at least 1000.  These transfer rates are at
least as good as the rates zmodem will get you.

-- James

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From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta)
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hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes:

;I just notized that resize reports incorrect size with kermit 3.14:
<...>
;Resize reports correct size with kermit 3.10:
<...>

I forgot to say that these are MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and 3.10.

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In kermit.bwr it is said:
   Commands in command files can be continued by including "-" as the last
   character on the line, but NOT if the line ends with a trailing
   comment.  In other words, you can't have a trailing comment on a
   continued line.
Well, I did not know this, and I had the following macro within my
mscustom.ini:

define kommsrv -
  dial rz1,-
  input 30 Benutzernummer:,-                       ; Warte auf die Ausgabe.
  output p41bsmk\44PASSWD\13,-                      ; Account,Passwort
  input 10 >,-                                     ; Warte auf Prompt.
  output c\44komm\13,-                               ; Rufe kommsrv.
  connect

This macro worked alright on my laptop at home until I upgraded from
kermite.exe 3.14 beta 14 to the final version. Then, parts of that macro
got displayed at the MS-Kermit prompt when loading mscustom.ini.

This "error" had not occurred when I first tested the new (final 3.14)
Kermit release on my office PC. Trying out this and that (on the office
PC, again), I noticed that minor variations in the macro let it either
work or not work.

Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment
single commands in macro definitions. Any leads?



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Hi Guys,

We're having a problem sending files from Pathworks kermit Windows VT320 
terminal emulator to VAX VMS 5.5-2 kermit server. 
Sending files from Vax to PC works fine.

The process we're using is :

We login to  VAX 7000 using Pathworks V5.0 Windows 3.1 VT320 terminal 
emulator version 5.0.093. We start kermit on VMS 5.5-2, kermit version
3.3.118 and put it in server mode. We then select kermit send file menu
on terminal emulator, select a file and start send process.

The send process starts fine and seems to go smoothly with no retries
until suddenly it stops with the following VT320 emulator error message :
  COULD NOT GET KERMIT STATUS INFORMATION,
  (NOT RUNNING KERMIT IN SERVER MODE ON REMOTE HOST?) 
This doesn't result in a connection loss to the vax, but the kermit transfer
stops. For a given file it will fail at the same place every time, but
different amounts of data are transferred before failure for different files.
Some small files will transfer OK and some won't. If the file is bigger than
approx 30k it will almost certainly fail. Failure doesn't seem dependent
on file type.

We've tried changing between LAT & CTERM connection with no change and I've
tried changing kermit protocol retry limit to maximum (though no retrys are
indicated) and I've changed TIMEOUT setting to maximum, all with no effect.
This process is consistent across all PCs we have and we have the same problem
with different model VAX servers. There are other kermit protocol and packet
settings in the terminal emulator I could try changing which are :
Block check sum currently set to 1 other option is 2
Send delay for first packet, currently set to 0,maximum is 63 seconds. 
Start of packet currently CTL-A
Padding count, currently set to 0 maximum is 60
Padding character currently CTL-@
Endof line character currently CTL-M
Quote character currently #
Packet size currently 94 other choice is 80

I haven't tried changing these as I have no idea what effect they will have.

Kermit transfer both ways to Pathworks VT320 DOS emulator (sethost) works
fine.

This problem has been reported to DIGITAL with no resolve as yet.

Anyone have any ideas ?
Any help greatly appreciated, this is causing us serious problems and is
urgent.

David Kelly,
Systems Specialist
Environment Protection Authority. 

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: COM3 available in 3.14?
Date: 20 Jan 1995 15:48:20 GMT
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In article <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu>,
Cal Lott <cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could
>address COM3 and above. 
>
A frequently asked question.  The short answer: Yes.

The medium answer: COM3 and above have no standard address or IRQ,
hence communications software (Kermit or anything else) can't always
find them, in which case you have to specify the address and IRQ,
using a sequence like:

  SET COM3 \x3e8 5
  SET PORT COM3

The long answer: Read section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file on your MS-DOS
Kermit 3.14 diskette.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Pathworks Kermit Problem
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In article <D2oF1I.B6G@ucc.su.oz.au>,
David Kelly <dave@alf.chem.su.oz.au> wrote:
>We're having a problem sending files from Pathworks kermit Windows VT320 
>terminal emulator to VAX VMS 5.5-2 kermit server. 
>Sending files from Vax to PC works fine.
>
>We login to  VAX 7000 using Pathworks V5.0 Windows 3.1 VT320 terminal 
>emulator version 5.0.093. We start kermit on VMS 5.5-2, kermit version
>3.3.118 and put it in server mode. We then select kermit send file menu
>on terminal emulator, select a file and start send process.
>
Can't help with this; your PC software is a DEC product, so you'll have
to get help from DEC.

However, you are more than welcome to use real Kermit software,
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, on your PC in place of the DEC software.  It supports
PATHWORKS connections too, as well as VT320 emulation and (of course)
Kermit transfers.  If you have trouble with it, we can help.

You are also encouraged to install C-Kermit 5A(190) on your VAX.
Kermit-32 is no longer supported.

To learn more about Columbia University's Kermit software, point your
Web browser at URL:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

Or use anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu and follow the signs.

Direct further questions to kermit@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Need help with Kermit D/L!
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In article <3fn6v7$1ffj@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>,
Keiko Iwayama <kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>My University's zmodem protcol doesn't seem to work at all for uploads, so
>I was wondering if anyone knows how to make a Kermit upload "nearly" as
>fast as zmodem.  Right now, I can get zmodem to download .zip files at
>about 1400 cps, while good-old Kermit does it at 500 cps (U/L and D/L). 
>
Kermit can go just as fast, often faster.  Please read the FAQ:

  anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu

  text mode

  file kermit/FAQ.TXT

- Frank


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cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott) writes:

>Hi!

>	I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could
>address COM3 and above. 

Yes. MS-DOS Kermit has had support for COM3 and COM4 for quite a while now.
If you have non-standard I/O addresses and/or IRQs for those ports you can
override the standard (if there really is one) settings with the MS-Kermit
command:

SET COM3 \x02f8 \4

This specifies that COM3 is IRQ 4 at 0x2f8.

-Fozz

-- 
================fozz@xmission.com==http://xmission.com/~fozz/==================
==     ``Today could be a dream of tomorrow that you had last night. ''      ==
======================Doran L. Barton | Fozziliny G. Moo=======================

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and resize
Date: 20 Jan 1995 16:28:15 GMT
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In article <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi>,
Kari E. Hurtta <hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi> wrote:
>I just notized that resize reports incorrect size with kermit 3.14:
>
>set noglob;
>setenv COLUMNS '80';
>setenv LINES '231';
>unset noglob;
>
As announced in yesterday's posting, this was indeed a serious bug
in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 dated 12 January 1995.  That version has been
replaced by a new one dated 18 January 1995, which fixes this bug.

  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
  directory kermit/archives,
  binary mode,
  file msvibm.zip.

If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you
want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of
your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other
file you might have modified.

Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to
preserve the directory structure.  Then read the top-level READ.ME
file for further instructions.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: Trailing comments
Date: 20 Jan 1995 16:39:12 GMT
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In article <3fo2ib$c19@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>,
Peter Schmolck <p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> wrote:
>In kermit.bwr it is said:
>   Commands in command files can be continued by including "-" as the last
>   character on the line, but NOT if the line ends with a trailing
>   comment.  In other words, you can't have a trailing comment on a
>   continued line.
>...
>Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment
>single commands in macro definitions. Any leads?
>
The ability to put trailing comments on the ends of continued lines is
not documented or supported in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.

As you have observed, experimentation shows that it might work sometimes,
but you should not depend on it.

And speaking of trailing comments, lest anyone be prompted by this
posting to ask again:

There was a change in v3.14 from previous versions, in which a semicolon
(;), must be followed by at least one space or tab -- or else be the
first character on a line -- to be recognized as a comment introducer.
This is to allow semicolons to be used within commands like:

  get dua0:[.temp]oofa.txt;3

or:

  output \27[?62;1;2;4;8;9;15c\13

without any quoting.  Previously the first semicolon in each of these
commands would have started a comment.

- Frank

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From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Multiple TCP/IP Sessions in MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13
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In article <Tim_Helmstetter.9.2F1E7FF0@radian.com>,
 <Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com> wrote:
>I am using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 and have a script which connects two TCP/IP 
>sessions. My problem is when I do the second SET PORT TCP command to connect 
>the second session, a menu appears asking the user if they want to R - 
>reconnect to current session, # - enter a specific session number, or N - 
>connect a new session. I want to connect to a new session but I don't want the 
>user to have to do anything. I have tried INPUT XX Choice>, OUTPUT N\13, but 
>this doesn't work I have to physically hit the enter key on the keyboard. Is 
>there a way I can turn this menu option off or am I doing something wrong in 
>my OUTPUT command.
---------------
	Please see the release docs again, as well as using "?" context
sensitive help in the SET PORT TCP command. This command accepts arguments
of  host <port> <N or R>   to start a New or Resume a current session.
SET PORT TCP also accepts a digit representing a session number (see SHOW
SESSION for a list of which are which).
	Joe D.







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From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: COM3 available in 3.14?
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In article <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu>,
Cal Lott <cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>Hi!
>
>	I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could
>address COM3 and above. 
>
>	If not, is this a planned feature addition?
----------
	May I recommend reading the user's manual and the release notes
for MS-DOS Kermit which will explain in detail the handling of COM3/4.
MSK has used all four COM ports for a great many years.
	Joe D.



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From: 93202707@np.ac.sg (Loke Teng Yan)
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Hello,

I've just started using CKermit for OS/2, and have some stuff to ask about
it. 

For dialling, is there a command whereby I can see my phonebook entries? 
What is the command for making CKermit stay at 14400bps even if the line is
only 2400bps? What should I do to make the connection automated, that is,
when a connection is established, the "connect" command should be automated?
How do I set up the program to redial the number after a timeout?

For file transfers, I get a much better performance, compared to the MS-DOS
version that I used. The number of packets is about 999, and the cps rate
for binary files can go to 500+. Is it possible to further speed up the
transfer? What does the "Number of Windows" (or something like that) mean?

Thank you for answers and comments.

--
Teng Yan, Loke aka Cow      | Electronic & Computer Engineering Polytechnic
93202707@np.ac.sg | yan%cyrus%linuxpub@csah.com | Singapore  |          
http://www-bprc.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/hpp?yan_page.html |    void
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: CKermit Transfers
Date: 22 Jan 1995 02:28:39 GMT
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In article <3fphj0$tm@nova.np.ac.sg>, Loke Teng Yan <93202707@np.ac.sg> wrote:
>I've just started using CKermit for OS/2, and have some stuff to ask about
>it. For dialling, is there a command whereby I can see my phonebook entries? 
>
Hmmm, I guess not, other than:

  type c:\ckermit\ckermit.kdd

or (more generally):

  type \m(_dialdir) ; This variable holds the name of the dialing directory.

You could add a macro definition for this to your CKERMOD.INI file,
something like:

  define numbers type \m(_dialdir)

or something fancier, e.g. to list all entries that match a particular
string.  But see below about the services directory.

>What is the command for making CKermit stay at 14400bps even if the line is
>only 2400bps?
>
SET DIAL SEPEED-MATCHING OFF.

>What should I do to make the connection automated, that is,
>when a connection is established, the "connect" command should be automated?
>
You can write script programs to do whatever you want.  Script programming
can't be explained in a short message - you should read the manual; three
chapters of it cover script programming.

>How do I set up the program to redial the number after a timeout?
>
There is a kind of "higher level" dialing directory, called the services
directory, that does this for you automatically.  The mechanics are explained
in complete detail in the manual, and from a user standpoint also in the
CKERMIT.INF file.

>For file transfers, I get a much better performance, compared to the MS-DOS
>version that I used. The number of packets is about 999, and the cps rate
>for binary files can go to 500+. Is it possible to further speed up the
>transfer? What does the "Number of Windows" (or something like that) mean?
>
Again, all explained in the manual.  About performance, you should also
look at the FAQ:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.txt

Manual:

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
  a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.
  Inquire about quantity discounts.

- Frank

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I have been using Word Perfect 5.0 on a SCO Unix Machine.  I use kermit to
connect a PC to the Unix machine.

On the Unix side, I set my terminal type to vt102 and my WP terminal type to
kermit.  On the Pc-kermit side, I set my terminal type to vt102.

WP included a file wp231.ini which mapped all the function key for using WP.
WP5.0 works fine with the wp231.ini key mapping.


I have just upgraded to WP5.1 which does not have many changes from WP5.0.
However, none of the Function keys are working.  Some of the keys are mapped 
to different keys,such as the "F7" key which is mapped to "F3".

I've used both the wp231.ini file from WP5.0 and the wp232.ini file included
with WP5.1 to try to map the keys.  These two files are virtually identical, 
except for two key mappings.

Has anyone experienced the same problem?

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I haven't been on this newsgroup for a while so I'm out of touch. Is Kermit 
3.14 out of BETA and ready for prime time?

Thanks for any help.
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From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
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Subject: A report on 8-bit Finnish characters and Kermit
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) has kindly been helping
me with the following configuration problem. He asked me to write a
report to the Usenet news of this configuration. I am happy to do it
in return with thanks. This case demonstrates well the flexibility
of Kermit terminal emulator for various countries. These scripts are
for Kermit version 3.14 and I use them in my modem connections from
home to our BSD Unix main computer at the University of Vaasa.

When the included definition scripts have become more tested in my
own use, I'll probably update my

 47099 Feb 12 1994 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm25.zip
 tskerm25.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit.

In my Kermit initialization file I define among other things the
following three commands
 define FINNISH take finnish.cmd  ;Use classic 7-bit Finnish characters
 define LATIN1 take latin1.cmd    ;Use standard 8-bit characters
 define MIXED take mixed.cmd      ;Use new 8-bit Finnish characters

I normally use LATIN1. If I read Finnish email or Finnish Usenet
newsgroups written with the new 8-bit Finnish definitions, then I
set MIXED. If I write Finnish text I still usually keep to FINNISH,
but if for some reason I need to write new 8-bit Finnish text then
it is again MIXED. There I have a small remaining hitch, since the
following to definitions will not send the \30 and \31 characters.

 set key \142 \30                  ; Key A" sends
 set key \143 \31                  ; Key A' sends

--------------------------------------------------------------------
;FINNISH.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 22-Jan-95 08:10:34

; Set on the classic Finnish 7-bit terminal emulation
set terminal bytesize 7-bit
set terminal character-set Finnish

set translation input on

;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet
set translation input \154 \94    ; Show U" as caret (^)
set translation input \129 \126   ; Show u" as tilde (~)

;Turn off the 8-bit Finnish definitions of MIXED.CMD
set translation input \235 \235   ; a"
set translation input \159 \159   ; o"
set translation input \238 \238   ; a'
set translation input  \30  \30   ; A"
set translation input \251 \251   ; O"
set translation input  \31  \31   ; A'

set key \132                      ; Key a" sends itself
set key \148                      ; Key o" sends itself
set key \134                      ; Key a' sends itself
set key \142                      ; Key A" sends itself
set key \153                      ; Key O" sends itself
set key \143                      ; Key A' sends itself

; --------------------  End of FINNISH.CMD -------------------------

;LATIN1.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 22-Jan-95 08:10:17

; Set on the standard 8-bit terminal emulation
set terminal bytesize 8-bit
set terminal character-set latin1

set translation input on

;Turn off the 8-bit Finnish definitions of MIXED.CMD
set translation input \154 \154   ; U"
set translation input \129 \129   ; u"

set translation input \235 \235   ; a"
set translation input \159 \159   ; o"
set translation input \238 \238   ; a'
set translation input  \30  \30   ; A"
set translation input \251 \251   ; O"
set translation input  \31  \31   ; A'

set key \132                      ; Key a" sends itself
set key \148                      ; Key o" sends itself
set key \134                      ; Key a' sends itself
set key \142                      ; Key A" sends itself
set key \153                      ; Key O" sends itself
set key \143                      ; Key A' sends itself

; --------------------  End of LATIN1.CMD --------------------------

;MIXED.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 22-Jan-95 08:33:13

; Set on the new Finnish 8-bit terminal emulation
set terminal bytesize 8-bit
set terminal character-set latin1

set translation input on

;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet
set translation input \154 \94    ; Show U" as ^
set translation input \129 \126   ; Show u" as ~

; Alter what is shown
set translation input \235 \132   ; Show ascii 235 as a"
set translation input \159 \148   ; Show ascii 159 as o"
set translation input \238 \134   ; Show ascii 238 as a'
set translation input  \30 \142   ; Show ascii  30 as A"
set translation input \251 \153   ; Show ascii 251 as O"
set translation input  \31 \143   ; Show ascii  31 as A'

; Keyboard redefinitions for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters
set key \132 \235                 ; Key a" sends
set key \148 \159                 ; Key o" sends
set key \134 \238                 ; Key a' sends
set key \142 \30                  ; Key A" sends
set key \153 \251                 ; Key O" sends
set key \143 \31                  ; Key A' sends

; --------------------  End of MIXED.CMD ---------------------------

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

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From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare?
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In article <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
	Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:

>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 communications software for DOS and Windows was
>released on January 12, 1995.

>Version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu

And then...

>BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their
>BBSs for downloading by their users,

Wonderful.

It's OK to download Kermit from an ftp site, but not a BBS.

I'm sorry, but the policies of Columbia's Kermit projects are
degenerating into what can only be described as total illogic.
This policy is bigoted against those who can least afford to
pay for Kermit (BBS use is cheaper than Internet access). It
exhibits an ivory tower snobbery that doesn't pressure "research"
users to buy the book, but does so to others whose only sin is
not to be Internet-savvy.

I'm sorry, but as one who contributed to the Kermit effort from back in
the days when the only distribution was nine-inch tapes and the only
docs were ten-pound boxes of printed sheets, I resent this policy and
the attitude it represents. (I neither run nor use a BBS.)

This has nothing to do with the technical excellence of the product and
my lasting gratitude to all to have contributed. But IMO this policy
transcends FreeWare and ShareWare, and can best be described as
"BegWare".

First no CD-ROMs and now this. Please reconsider.

-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
       Novell Unix Master Reseller / evan@telly.on.ca / (905) 452-0504
                A happy traveller on the information sidewalk

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From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan)
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Subject: SET PRINTER & 0-byte files
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A problem when you SET PRINTER filename and then \Kprtscn to start 
logging to "printer".  If there's no such file, Kermit creates it.
If the file exists and has something in it, Kermit appends to it, but 
if it's a 0-byte file, Kermit balks with an error message that the 
printer isn't ready.
 
This happened in MS-Kermit 3.13, but I waited for 3.14.  3.14 does it, 
too.  Surely this isn't intended?  

Is there a fix for this?  I work around it by embedding the call to 
Kermit in an alias that checks for and deletes 0-byte files in the logs 
directory, but that takes time, and it shouldn't be necessary.

-- 
R. N. (Dick) Wisan  - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu
                    - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A.
                    - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax.

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From: finton@homer.cs.wisc.edu (David Finton)
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Subject: Re: "Can't read character: I/O error" -- second round
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In a previous message I wrote about a problem with kermit dropping
the connection and giving me this error message.  For example:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
?{w{;~{{m

Can't read character: I/O error
                               Communications disconnect (Back at localhost)
NeXT kermit> 
-----------------------------------------------------------------

I'd like to thank those who advised me to build kermit5a190 and 
increase the number of windows and the receive packet-length.  This
made kermit much faster, and file transfer seems great.  I'm running
kermit on a NeXTstation with NEXTSTEP 3.2, /dev/cufa, hardware handshaking
cable and modem (Supra 14.4LC).

But I still get this irritating I/O error which throws me off the 
remote machine.  I suspected my new computer's port, or the modem
cable, except that most of the time the connection is great.  The
error usually occurs when I've been idle for a minute or so, and 
never in a file transfer.  I'm editing this over the kermit connection
now, and it's been working for about 20 minutes, I think.  It almost
seems like a line noise problem, although I didn't have this problem
with kermit on my previous machine.  Maybe my settings aren't quite
right yet.  I'll attach those below.

Anyone have suggestions for things to try?

Thanks, 

David Finton

----------------------------

(Back at localhost)
NeXT kermit> show

C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, NeXTSTEP
Communications Parameters:
 Line: /dev/cufa, speed: 57600, mode: local, modem: hayes
 Terminal bits: 7, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: none, handshake: none
 Carrier: auto, lockfile: /usr/spool/uucp/LCK/LCK..cufa
 Escape character: 29 (^])

Protocol Parameters:   Send    Receive
 Timeout (used= 7):      7       10        Server Timeout:   0
 Padding:                0        0        Block Check:      1
 Pad Character:          0        0        Delay:            5
 Packet Start:           1        1        Max Retries:     10
 Packet End:            13       13
 Packet Length:         90     4526     
 Maximum Length:      9024     9024        Window Size:      2 set, 0 used
 Buffer Size:        90515    90515        Locking-Shift:    enabled, not used

File parameters:        Attributes:       on
 Names:   literal     
 Type:    binary        Packet Log:       none  Longest filename: 255
 Collide: backup        Session Log:      none  Longest pathname: 1024
 Send Pathnames:  on    Receive Pathnames: on
 Display: fullscreen    Transaction Log:  none

Byte Size: 8, Incomplete: keep, Init file: .kermrc
NeXT kermit> 


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In article <D2pqyL.HFL@telly.on.ca>, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.on.ca> wrote:
>In article <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
>Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>
>>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 communications software for DOS and Windows was
>>released on January 12, 1995.
>...
>>Version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu
>...
>And then...
>...
>>BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their
>>BBSs for downloading by their users,
>
>Wonderful.
>It's OK to download Kermit from an ftp site, but not a BBS.
>
Evan, you didn't reproduce the entire statement, which said:

 . BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their
   BBSs for downloading by their users, as this adversely affects the
   Kermit effort, but rather to refer their users to Columbia University
   to obtain a proper copy of the software with manual (contact info is
   given below).

 . BBS operators who disagree with the previous condition are invited to
   contact us directly at <kermit@columbia.edu> to discuss the matter.

Thus, rather than posting an inflammatory message to the whole world, you
were invited to discuss it with us offline, to spare the planet another
month of acrimony and aggravation.

We are not running a democracy here, in which everybody gets to vote on
how we do our jobs.  We have to generate income to pay our salaries (and
for computers, supplies, etc), or we go away.  Thus, rousing the public to
yell at us accomplishes nothing.

>I'm sorry, but the policies of Columbia's Kermit projects are
>degenerating into what can only be described as total illogic.
>This policy is bigoted against those who can least afford to
>pay for Kermit (BBS use is cheaper than Internet access). It
>exhibits an ivory tower snobbery that doesn't pressure "research"
>users to buy the book, but does so to others whose only sin is
>not to be Internet-savvy.
>
Quite the opposite.  On the Internet, we are able to communicate with our
users.  We can get our message across to them: via announcements, ftp site
greeting messages, our Web page, newsgroups, etc, in an efficient way,
i.e. many people see one message.

But when software is distributed on BBSs, users who get it that way often
have no easy way to get in touch with us; furthermore, we have no control
over how the software is presented on the BBS -- what messages accompany
it, etc.  When contact does come from these users, e.g. because they have
technical questions because they did not get a manual, it is one-on-one;
an extremely inefficient use of our most precious and limited resource:
time.

>I'm sorry, but as one who contributed to the Kermit effort from back in
>the days when the only distribution was nine-inch tapes and the only
>docs were ten-pound boxes of printed sheets, I resent this policy and
>the attitude it represents. (I neither run nor use a BBS.)
>
I think you misunderstand the attitude.  Back in the old days, the Kermit
effort was paid for by a budget, and we didn't have to generate income.
We actually packed up and mailed out those boxes for free -- free! --
for quite a few years.  Then the budget went away and we had to pay for
ourselves.  Years passed, demands for new features and versions increased,
the user base increased, the technical support burden increased, and so
income has to increase.  We don't enjoy nagging everyone all the time
to "buy the book" (especially since it only makes sense and the nagging
should not be necessary), but if you want us to stop, then pay our
salaries :-)

The sad fact is that the good old days of subsidized development of free
software are over.  You might find a few people who still do it, but you
won't find it on an organizational level.  Look, for example, at the Free
Software Foundation.  Have you read their literature lately?  The rule of
the 90s is: if you want people to work for you, you have to pay them.  The
Kermit effort, and the FSF (if I may speak for them), are relics from the
good old days who want to keep a certain non-commercial, open, and
generous spirit alive, and make some contribution to humanity, but are
forced by economic circumstances to raise money to cover expenses.  If
millions of people did not use and benefit from our software, we might
think that we were irrelevant anachronisms who deserved to disappear and
give way to the voracious market forces of the 90s, but that does not seem
to be the case.  But what is disturbing is the growing attitude that "we"
(organizations like the Kermit group and the FSF) should work for "you"
with no compensation.

The Internet and the BBSs are not big bags of free goodies.  All of the
things you find there represent human labor.  If you make use of the
products of that labor, you should respect the wishes of the people who
did the work.

>First no CD-ROMs and now this. Please reconsider.
>
A careful reading of the two paragraphs in the original posting shows that
(a) it is a request, not a policy, and (b) we are open to ideas in this
area.  But, as discussed ad nauseum in the early days of this forum, we
have to operate within certain constraints and are not necessarily free to
do absolutely anything we (or you) can think of.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: SET PRINTER & 0-byte files
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In article <1995Jan21.212536.1776@hartwick.edu>,
Dick Wisan <wisanr@hartwick.edu> wrote:
>A problem when you SET PRINTER filename and then \Kprtscn to start 
>logging to "printer".  If there's no such file, Kermit creates it.
>If the file exists and has something in it, Kermit appends to it, but 
>if it's a 0-byte file, Kermit balks with an error message that the 
>printer isn't ready.
>This happened in MS-Kermit 3.13, but I waited for 3.14.  3.14 does it,
>too.  Surely this isn't intended?  
>
Surely not.  Version 3.14 was in Beta test for three months; did you
report this problem?  If so, the report must have been lost in the
shuffle, or we would have addressed it.

The best way to report problems like this is by email to:

  kermit@columbia.edu

The more promptly you report them, the better.

- Frank

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Hi there !


The  idea  is  to  use  three or more old 286 as "terminals". They all have 
network  adapters  and  dos 3.x plus drivers for adapters (I don't know the 
type  of  these adapters yet). Since the version of SCO we're buying is for 
16  users it's possible to expand the network if needed. I was advised by a 
Finnish  SCO "guru" to use MS-Kermit software since it includes support for 
scandinavian  alphabet, terminal-emulations up to VT320 and built in TCP/IP 
(and  it's free). I've also FTPed this software from kermit.cc.columbia.edu 
both  for  DOS and SCO UNIX. The DOS side is very well documented (at least 
200-300  pages  of  documentation).  There were several kermit programs for 
SCO UNIX as follows: 

	ckuker.sco32v4		ckuker.sco32v4gcc 
	ckuker.sco32v4net	ckuker.sco32v4netc 
	ckuker.sco32v4netgcc	ckuker.sco386netc 	
	ckuker.sco3r2laic	ckuker.sco3r2netnd 
	ckuker.sco_odt30	ckuker._xenix_2.3 

About  this kermit program. I'm wondering how it actually works. Especially 
in  the  UNIX  end.  I  want to make .BAT files in these "terminal AT's" so 
that  when  you run this .BAT file the next thing that appears in screen is 
SCO  UNIX asking "login:" and "password:". I know that there must be kermit 
running  in  SCO  UNIX but how can it handle multiple users and how can the 
software  be  run via kermit connection?



Many thanks if you can help. 

 	Jarno Ahokas 
	(Jarno.Ahokas@cc.tut.fi) 




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From: cyncam@toto.plymouth.edu (Cynthia Campbell)
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Subject: beginner macuser can't download
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HELP. Using powerbook 100 with Kermit 3.0 (or is it 0.98?). Whenever I go
Get File (in server), I get a message that says "bad input clear -28".
Any ideas. Thanks, cynthia. 

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From: mberg@netcom.com (Mike Berg)
Subject: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1
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I've been running 3.13 in Windows NT and liked it a lot. So I updated 
to the new 3.14 version thinking things would get even better (while
I wait for a native NT version).

(After wrestling with 231 screen lines for a while, I downloaded a new
version that fixed that problem.)

But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to
display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1
and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850).  I've never had much luck
mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal with
it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's different now,
and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead of as IBM PC-type
junk.

Thanks,
Mike

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From: ts@brando.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
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In article <3ft31u$79m@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes:
> define MIXED take mixed.cmd     
;Use new 8-bit Finnish characters

>it is again MIXED. There I have a small remaining hitch, since the
>following to definitions will not send the \30 and \31 characters.
>
> set key \142 \30                  ; Key A" sends
> set key \143 \31                  ; Key A' sends

I found at least a temporary solution to this problem. The A" and A'
keys are needed in editing.  I use MicroEMACS so I added the
following definitions to my .emacsrc and voila.

bind-to-key    execute-macro-3     ^X.
bind-to-key    execute-macro-4     ^X:

3 store-macro
  insert-string A"    <-- \30
!endm

4 store-macro
  insert-string A'    <-- \31
!endm

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
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From: bruce@ais.com
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In article <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <D2pqyL.HFL@telly.on.ca>, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.on.ca> wrote:
>>In article <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
>>Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 communications software for DOS and Windows was
>>>released on January 12, 1995.
>>...
>>>Version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu
>>...
>>And then...
>>...
>>>BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their
>>>BBSs for downloading by their users,
>>
>>Wonderful.
>>It's OK to download Kermit from an ftp site, but not a BBS.
>>
> Evan, you didn't reproduce the entire statement, which said:
> 
>  . BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their
>    BBSs for downloading by their users, as this adversely affects the
>    Kermit effort, but rather to refer their users to Columbia University
>    to obtain a proper copy of the software with manual (contact info is
>    given below).
> 
>  . BBS operators who disagree with the previous condition are invited to
>    contact us directly at <kermit@columbia.edu> to discuss the matter.

Frank,

Please consider this as a suggestion rather than a flame.  I fully under-
stand your need to find funding -- after all, I run a business, so it's
not as if I'm against commercial software or the needs of maintaining an
adequate balance sheet.

I'm not sure what the proper approach is, but I think that the current
policy will prove counter-productive.  Kermit is already a rather
marginal product in the BBS world (for reasons that are mostly cultural
rather than technical;  we can debate the exact reasons, but the basic
facts are really not in dispute), and this will probably be the last
straw for it in that marketplace.

I will say that you could put more information on how to buy the books
into the standard documentation files, and/or convert Kermit to a share-
ware product;  I think both of these could generate some additional
revenue.  You have little or no obligation to support users who have down-
loaded Kermit from BBSes;  it's been your decision to spend the time to
support such people.  But the new policy may well result in a situation
where you have few support demands ... because there are few people using
the product (and consequently few book and tape sales, so therefore little
revenue;  possibly too little revenue to survive).  This may or may not
be a good thing, but it's not what you claim to want, so I fear that
this issue may not have been thought through very well.  (I'm tempted to
say that perhaps someone more familiar with the business world should
be consulted;  in my experience, people from University environments --
even from the business offices in Universities -- often have few relevant
skills to bring to the table when dealing with such problems).

To put it bluntly, I think this approach will reduce your income (from
book sales etc) without sufficiently reducing your support costs to make
up the difference.  I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see how you can expect
any other result.  In that case, I would suggest that you (and Columbia)
need to consider seriously whether the Kermit mission is one that is still
worth working on.

Bruce C. Wright

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From: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT
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In article <1995Jan5.152611.8468@eisner>, burns@eisner.decus.org says...
>
>Does anyone know who has dibs on trying to get
>C-Kermit working under NT ? 

A while ago the Windows Online BBS at (510)736-8343
had a file KMN077.ZIP:

"Kermit for Microsoft Windows v0.77: fairly complete implementation of 
the Kermit file  transfer protocol for MS-Win NT (32-bit) that includes 
most of the extensions (long packets windowing, server mode, attribute 
packets and enhanced error checking); includes a full  featured terminal 
emulation capability and  modem dialer; cooperative multitasking is  
fully supported; 01/27/94; Wayne Warthen."

Dunno whether this was C-Kermit; probably not.   /mrr



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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1
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In article <mbergD2ty3n.9qz@netcom.com>, mberg@netcom.com (Mike Berg) writes:
> I've been running 3.13 in Windows NT and liked it a lot. So I updated 
> to the new 3.14 version thinking things would get even better (while
> I wait for a native NT version).
> 
> (After wrestling with 231 screen lines for a while, I downloaded a new
> version that fixed that problem.)
> 
> But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to
> display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1
> and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850).  I've never had much luck
> mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal with
> it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's different now,
> and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead of as IBM PC-type
> junk.
-------------
	This can be a confusing area. One needs to be sensitive to what
the byte values are when saying they do/don't display correctly. That is,
the text may be for another character set without us being aware of it.
In a communications environment both sides get to play this game, and we
don't know what the other side is doing. In the present case we don't know
if there is another side, and if there is then what it's like, etc. Perhaps
you can fill in the blanks for us.
	Joe D.

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   Helo.

   Where can I find a FAQ about Kermit?

   Thanks in advance.

	Rafa

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I realize I'm way out of my league here in this newsgroup but bear with 
me.  I have succesfully figured out how to transfer text files but every 
time I try to transfer a binary file( having set file type binary), when I 
try to execute it, I get a 'File too Big' error.

1)  Can someone help me with this problem

and

2)  Can someone recommend an abridged version of a Kermit Doc (I have one 
but its huge and technical.

Thanks (private email preferred)

Jim Leftwich
leftwich@cloud9.net
"I'm on cloud9!" :)


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From: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk (Steve Fosdick)
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Is there a way that a remote system can get C-Kermit to drop out of
connect mode, for example by sending a particular escape sequence?

Thanks.

-- 
Steve Fosdick                  Internet: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk
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How can I make MS-Kermit to act in a similar (or even better) way than an 
ftp daemon like NCSA telnet? When I start the folloing macro at my office 
PC before going home

define servemode -
  set flow none,-
  set port tcp *,-
  set server login ID PASSWORD,-
  server

I can, after dialing in from home to my campus net via modem, telnet to 
my office pc, do some up/downloads, and even remotely run certain DOS 
commands (e.g. zip files before downloading). However, I can do this only 
once. After closing the MS-Kermit server session there is no possibility 
to remotely start another one.

Is there any tricky way to keep kermit alive, and in server mode, after 
sending "bye", "finish" or "remote logout"?



--
Peter Schmolck                                p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de
Department of Education                       Phone :     +49-89-6004-2056
Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich      Fax   :     +49-89-6004-3968
85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY    

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit as an ftp-daemon equivalent?
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In article <3fvvqe$aam@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes:
> How can I make MS-Kermit to act in a similar (or even better) way than an 
> ftp daemon like NCSA telnet? When I start the folloing macro at my office 
> PC before going home
> 
> define servemode -
>   set flow none,-
>   set port tcp *,-
>   set server login ID PASSWORD,-
>   server
> 
> I can, after dialing in from home to my campus net via modem, telnet to 
> my office pc, do some up/downloads, and even remotely run certain DOS 
> commands (e.g. zip files before downloading). However, I can do this only 
> once. After closing the MS-Kermit server session there is no possibility 
> to remotely start another one.
> 
> Is there any tricky way to keep kermit alive, and in server mode, after 
> sending "bye", "finish" or "remote logout"?
----------------
	Yes, you can control this behavior, and more, with the DISABLE
and ENABLE commands. To be a perpetual server say DISABLE FINISH which
will disable FINISH, BYE, LOGOUT from clients. You can also restrict
access to changing directories, etc.
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: beginner macuser can't download
Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:42:57 GMT
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In article <3fr6oh$jln@toto.plymouth.edu>,
Cynthia Campbell <cyncam@toto.plymouth.edu> wrote:
>HELP. Using powerbook 100 with Kermit 3.0 (or is it 0.98?). Whenever I go
>Get File (in server), I get a message that says "bad input clear -28".
>Any ideas. Thanks, cynthia. 
>
Please try the current (non-)release of Mac Kermit:

CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT

As of: Sat Nov 12 11:00:53 1994

*** BULLETIN ***
Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with
downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x).  Now files can be downloaded
on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS
7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects.  It should also fix certain
binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when
downloading in binary mode.
*****************

The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988.  Unfortunately, it
does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems.  However, newer
versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on
these old models.

A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result
(so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most
purposes.

The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is
0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190).  It is available via anonymous FTP
from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f.

A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is
complete.  Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will
be.  Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for
further announcements.  You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending
email to LISTSERV@CUVMA.BITNET (or LISTSERV@CUVMA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) containing
the text:

  SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here

Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the
kermit/f directory:

  ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format
  ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988)
  ckmker.ps  -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40)
  ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc
  ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font

and in the kermit/charsets directory:

  maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself

Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details.

(End of ckmaaa.hlp)



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Looking for Kermit FAQ
Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:46:09 GMT
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In article <3fttdh$sd1@maia.cc.upv.es>,
Francisco Chinesta Soria <fchinest@pleiades.upv.es> wrote:
>   Where can I find a FAQ about Kermit?
>
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit, Choose "Further Information", then "FAQ".

Or anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, kermit/FAQ.TXT.

- Frank

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT
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In article <3frjp5$12tm@msunews.cl.msu.edu>,
Mark Riordan <mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu> wrote:
>had a file KMN077.ZIP:
>
>"Kermit for Microsoft Windows v0.77: fairly complete implementation of 
>the Kermit file  transfer protocol for MS-Win NT (32-bit) that includes 
>most of the extensions (long packets windowing, server mode, attribute 
>packets and enhanced error checking); includes a full  featured terminal 
>emulation capability and  modem dialer; cooperative multitasking is  
>fully supported; 01/27/94; Wayne Warthen."
>
>Dunno whether this was C-Kermit; probably not.   /mrr
>

Actually, the latest versions are KM[WN]080.ZIP.  W is Win 3.1 and N is NT.

This is an original work not supported by Columbia but based on Frank's 
Kermit Protocol book.  The interface is pretty and it supports Async 
and WINSOCK connections.  BUT...

it does not have any Script language and the VT emulators fail many of the 
vttest program's tests.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip 

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: novice help
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950122234525.29423A-100000@cloud9.net>,
James Leftwich  <leftwich@cloud9.net> wrote:
>I realize I'm way out of my league here in this newsgroup but bear with 
>me.  I have succesfully figured out how to transfer text files but every 
>time I try to transfer a binary file( having set file type binary), when I 
>try to execute it, I get a 'File too Big' error.
>
>1)  Can someone help me with this problem
>
First you have to say what kind of computer you have, what operating
system, which Kermit program, and which version.  But in general, the
safest bet is to tell BOTH Kermit programs to "set file type binary".
Yes, there are shortcuts, but you can learn them later.

>and
>
>2)  Can someone recommend an abridged version of a Kermit Doc (I have one 
>but its huge and technical.
>
Which documentation are you referring to?  The two most popular Kermit
programs, MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, each have excellent, professionally
published manuals that are no more technical than you need them to be.
They start out in tutorial fashion geared to novices, and work up to
advanced stuff for those who need it.  You can find out about the manuals
by pointing your Web browser at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/, or by
sending an email inquiry to kermit@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Any way for remote end to finish connect mode
Date: 23 Jan 1995 18:03:31 GMT
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In article <3fvvml$198@icarus.aom.bt.co.uk>,
Steve Fosdick <stevef@aom.bt.co.uk> wrote:
>Is there a way that a remote system can get C-Kermit to drop out of
>connect mode, for example by sending a particular escape sequence?
>
C-Kermit 5A(190) for UNIX, VMS, and OS/2 supports this feature.
Read about it in section 3.1 of the ckcker.upd (C-Kermit update notes)
file that comes with it.

- Frank

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From: mike@mbrg.com (Mike Berg)
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Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1
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Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>
>In article <mbergD2ty3n.9qz@netcom.com>, mberg@netcom.com (Mike Berg) 
writes:
[...]
>> But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to
>> display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1
>> and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850).  I've never had much luck
>> mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal 
with
>> it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's different 
now,
>> and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead of as IBM 
PC-type
>> junk.
>-------------
>        This can be a confusing area. One needs to be sensitive to what
>the byte values are when saying they do/don't display correctly. That is,
>the text may be for another character set without us being aware of it.
>In a communications environment both sides get to play this game, and we
>don't know what the other side is doing. In the present case we don't know
>if there is another side, and if there is then what it's like, etc. Perhaps
>you can fill in the blanks for us.
>        Joe D.

OK.  I can see the difference when reading the usenet group can.francais. 
For example, the article "FAQ - les accents francais et Usenet", the 
following paragraph:

+ Oy qu'il riside, ` Nnmes ou mjme Capharna|m, tout Frangais inscrit au rtle
rhglera son d{ avant Nokl, qu'il soit naof ou rbleur. ;

Reading this (that is -- the original - hopefully properly copied here) from 
netcom.com using MS Kermit 3.13 displays this ISO-8859-1 text correctly, but 
not MS Kermit 3.14 with the nearly out-of-the-box configuration. 

Sorry for not being too clear about this in my previous posting. I haven't 
deleted 3.13 from my system yet, so I'm doing a side-by-side comparison. I 
assume I'm having some obvious configuration problem that I can't locate in 
the help - but that can be easily fixed.

Mike



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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!)
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In article <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes:
> In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt
> to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server.  With version 
> 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required.  I assume this is because 
> the forward command has been added.  Would it be a major violation of style
> if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish?
---------
	It would not be a swift idea. We already have too many "nicname"
commands as it is. Surely FIN is not to cumbersome to type. But if your
preferences are strong then DEFINE F FINISH. Self help.
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1
Date: 23 Jan 1995 23:17:48 GMT
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In article <mbergD2ty3n.9qz@netcom.com>, Mike Berg <mike@mbrg.com> wrote:
>I've been running 3.13 in Windows NT and liked it a lot. So I updated 
>to the new 3.14 version thinking things would get even better (while
>I wait for a native NT version).
>
>But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to
>display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1
>and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850).  I've never had much luck
>mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal
>with it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's
>different now, and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead
>of as IBM PC-type junk.
>
I don't have Windows NT here, but I can verify that in Windows 3.1, Kermit
displays Latin-1 characters correctly in CONNECT mode as long as you have
CP850 loaded.  If NT is anything like Windows itself, then it won't allow
fonts to be loaded or code pages switched in a window, so if your code
page was not CP850 to start with (type "chcp" at the MS-Kermit> prompt to
find out), then you won't see the right stuff.  CP437 should be "mostly"
OK, but it lacks some of the Latin-1 characters (notably the Icelandic
ones).

Note, by the way, that MS-DOS Kermit's "set terminal code-page" does not
actually do anything as far as loading code pages is concerned.  It is
simply a way to inform Kermit what the current code page actually is, so
it can set up the correct translations.  This is necessary because the DOS
call that asks what the current code page is tends to lie, especially if
it is not CP437 or CP850.

MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a CHARSET macro that displays all the
characters of the current code page.  What do you see when you type
"charset" at the MS-Kermit> prompt?

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 patches
Date: 24 Jan 1995 00:28:47 GMT
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John W. Manly <JWMANLY@amherst.edu> wrote...
  
  I just noticed what appears to be some nasty behavior in Kermit.  (I've
  tried this on both Kermit 3.13 and the Jan 12th 3.14).  I have some code
  in a LOGIN.COM to try to set the label of the window and icon in a
  DECwindows session using <OSC> and <ST> operations, and it appears that
  Kermit is choking on these sequences rather than ignoring them.
>
  For example, if I send the either of the sequences, <OSC>21;FOOBAR<ST>
  or <OSC>2L;FOOBAR<ST> to the Kermit emulator, it freezes up and requires
  an ALT-= to reset it.  These sequences are used by DECwindows for
  changeing the label of a window or icon (I forget which is which), and
  while I wouldn't expect Kermit to do anything upon reception, I wouldn't
  expect it to lock up either.

And mrichmon@paz.gsfc.nasa.gov (Michael Richmond) wrote:
  
  I discovered a possible bug in MS-DOS Kermit version 3.14 dated 12 Jan
  1995.  Kermit will find the initialization file when it is started with
  the command:
  
  kermit -f c:\not_my_default_directory\mskermit.ini
  
  But it will not find the initialization file when it is started with the
  command:
  
  kermit -f \not_my_default_directory\mskermit.ini
  
  That is, the drive letter must be supplied on the command line when the
  initialization file is not in the default directory.  This restriction
  does not exist in version 3.14/Beta-14 dated 20 Nov 1994.

These are both bugs.

They are fixed by patches.  The patch files are available via anonymous
ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in directory kermit/a.  Transfer them in
text mode:

  For KERMIT.EXE:  msr314.pch
  For KERMITE.EXE: msrm314.pch
  For KERLITE.EXE: msrl314.pch

Put them in your top-level KERMIT directory and, if you are using the
standard MSKERMIT.INI file, they will be applied automatically.  If you
are not using the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, then put a PATCH command
at the top of your startup file.  You can tell that they have taken effect
when Kermit's version herald reports:

  IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 3

Thanks to Joe Doupnik for the quick fixes!

- Frank

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From: jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: finish (no, not finnish!)
Date: 23 Jan 95 11:37:10 -0500
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In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt
to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server.  With version 
3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required.  I assume this is because 
the forward command has been added.  Would it be a major violation of style
if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish?

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--
I am wondering about a possible connection between the heartburn 
difficulties and amitrypline or Elavil. For me the symptoms of heartburn 
flared around the same time I was increasing the dosage of Amit. Just 
wondering if anyone else has had this experience or if anyone knows if 
Elavil can aggravate heartburn or reflux problems? I am taking 150 mg 
Zantac daily , doesn't seem to be helping really. I am considering 
trying to go on a low carb diet or cutting out milk altogether. Any 
ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Lisa Overton, Guelph, ON 
Canada...That's 'gwelf'



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From: kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Keiko Iwayama)
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Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to upload 
via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more?  Right now it is set to 80 
and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!).  If Telemate 
doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or 
Qmodem which can be configured like this?

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From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
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In article <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
:In article <D2pqyL.HFL@telly.on.ca>, Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.on.ca> wrote:
:>First no CD-ROMs and now this. Please reconsider.

:A careful reading of the two paragraphs in the original posting shows that
:(a) it is a request, not a policy, and (b) we are open to ideas in this
:area.  But, as discussed ad nauseum in the early days of this forum, we

Way back then I think we about covered and analyzed every possible
angle. I respect Frank's views and I know he appreciated mine. I see
no reason for going over exactly the same arguments and
counter-arguments again after just a few months.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
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From: mike@mbrg.com (Mike Berg)
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Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and Latin-1 (problem solved)
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Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>

>I don't have Windows NT here, but I can verify that in Windows 3.1, Kermit
>displays Latin-1 characters correctly in CONNECT mode as long as you have
>CP850 loaded.  If NT is anything like Windows itself, then it won't allow
>fonts to be loaded or code pages switched in a window, so if your code
>page was not CP850 to start with (type "chcp" at the MS-Kermit> prompt to
>find out), then you won't see the right stuff.  CP437 should be "mostly"
>OK, but it lacks some of the Latin-1 characters (notably the Icelandic
>ones).
>

I figured out how to get most of Latin-1 to display OK.  I just had to set 
the terminal to VT220 or VT320.  When I had set the terminal to VT100, 
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 was displaying the characters as CP437 - i.e., without 
translation.  This is a change from 3.13.

(I booted up WFW 3.11 and observed the same behavior).

Mike


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC
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In article <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
> 
> I don't know what I'm missing here.  I want to create a pcget and
> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to
> automatically send and receive files from another computers.
> 
> I can't get this to work right.  If I do "apc <string>" when connected
> to my host, I get the string placed and executed.
> 
> However if I do this when the host is using C-Kermit, I get an error
> complaining that it doesn't recognize the command or string.
> 
> For example, `apc r' prints r on the command line.  If I'm in C-Kermit on
> the host (remember MSK locally) and I do `apc r' I see _r?no keywords
> match _r \ found on the C-Kermit> prompt.
> 
> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. 
> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc...
> 
> Am I missing something so obvious that it's silly.  I get the
> impression from the documentation that this should work.
----------
	Maybe I can clarify the matter for you. APC commands are recognized
(the stuff coming at a machine from outside) only by the VT200/300 terminal
emulators. It's a terminal-like command sequence, and to be recognized and
acted upon it must be received by an appropriate terminal emulator.
	Terminal emulation is NOT active when transferring files or sending
file-like commands from the Kermit prompt. It is active only when you say
CONNECT. The command interpreters (Kermit command line stuff) are not 
terminal emulators, the host o/s shell isn't a terminal emulator either.
        Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <1995Jan24.132937@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes:
> In article <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu>, galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes:
>> 
>> Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name?  
>> 
> 
> In 3.14 I was able to define f but not h.  h is help no matter what I do to it.
-----------
	I'm moving this thread into my net.trivia queue. Macros don't overlay
hard coded command names. They may conflict with some abbreviations of hard
coded command names. If a one or two letter macro name does this for you
then please choose another combination. It's hardly something to create
a lot of traffic about. The general rule to apply is avoid macro names
which are the same as a command or an abbreviation of a command; that will
be a safe rule under all circumstances.
	Joe D.

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From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos)
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Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC
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In article <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
:In article <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
:> 
:> I don't know what I'm missing here.  I want to create a pcget and
:> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to
:> automatically send and receive files from another computers.
:> 
:> I can't get this to work right.  If I do "apc <string>" when connected
:> to my host, I get the string placed and executed.
:> 
:> However if I do this when the host is using C-Kermit, I get an error
:> complaining that it doesn't recognize the command or string.
:> 
:> For example, `apc r' prints r on the command line.  If I'm in C-Kermit on
:> the host (remember MSK locally) and I do `apc r' I see _r?no keywords
:> match _r \ found on the C-Kermit> prompt.
:> 
:> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. 
:> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc...
:> 
:> Am I missing something so obvious that it's silly.  I get the
:> impression from the documentation that this should work.
:----------
:	Maybe I can clarify the matter for you. APC commands are recognized
:(the stuff coming at a machine from outside) only by the VT200/300 terminal
:emulators. It's a terminal-like command sequence, and to be recognized and
:acted upon it must be received by an appropriate terminal emulator.
:	Terminal emulation is NOT active when transferring files or sending
:file-like commands from the Kermit prompt. It is active only when you say
:CONNECT. The command interpreters (Kermit command line stuff) are not 
:terminal emulators, the host o/s shell isn't a terminal emulator either.
:        Joe D.

So I guess this means that macros like pcget and pcsend will only work
with with C-Kermit.  Dang!  And I was hoping to emulate similar
functionality from the pc end of a MSK to C-Kermit connection.  Oh
well, c'est la vie!

        --Jerry

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|>  Jerry Alexandratos                **  "vengo de la tierra del    <|
|>  darkstar@strauss.udel.edu         **   fuego ten cuidado cuando  <|
|>  darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu  **   llamas mi nombre..."      <|

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC
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In article <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu>,
Jerry Alexandratos <darkstar@chopin.udel.edu> wrote:
>In article <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu>,
>Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>:In article <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
>:> 
>:> I don't know what I'm missing here.  I want to create a pcget and
>:> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to
>:> automatically send and receive files from another computers.
>
Maybe you could be more specific about exactly which two kinds of computers
you are trying to do this for, and what the "other" version of Kermit is.

>:> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. 
>:> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc...
>
You're not being clear about which Kermit program is sending the APC,
which one is supposed to be receiving it, etc.

>So I guess this means that macros like pcget and pcsend will only work
>with with C-Kermit.  Dang!  And I was hoping to emulate similar
>functionality from the pc end of a MSK to C-Kermit connection.
>
Of course it works.  Just read the documentation and follow the instructions.

For C-Kermit 5A(190), which I assume in your case is the "APC sender", read
section 3.1 of ckcker.upd.

For MS-DOS Kermit as the "APC receiver", there are certain slight variations
that depend on the program version.  Version 3.12 and earlier did not have
this feature.  Version 3.13 was the first to support APC, and by default it
was "ON".  However, during 3.13's lifetime we received a number of comments
stating that there were certain risks to having it on by default, and
therefore it was better to have it OFF by default in hopes that users would
do some reading to figure out how to turn it ON and hopefully see the
accompanying material on the risks.  This was done in version 3.14.  Read
about it in section 10 of the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with this version.

Basically, all you have to do is tell MS-DOS Kermit to "set term apc on".

And on the subject of APC, note that C-Kermit 5A(190) (in the UNIX, VMS,
and OS/2 versions) now can itself be an APC receiver, and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14
can be an APC sender.

If you have any further problems after reading the documentation, report them
by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura)
Subject: Can't connect at 28.8  :(
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Whenever I connect to internet service provider, I get the message

	CONNECT 14400/V32/NONE
	Can't change speed to 14400

I am using Kermit(190) for Linux from a 486 PC Clone, together with
a 28.8 USR Sportster.

My .mykermrc file has the following relevant lines:

set delay 1                     ; I escape back quickly
set dial display on             ; I like to watch C-Kermit dial
set window 2                    ; Use 2 window slots
set block 3                     ; Use 16-bit CRC error checking        
set receive packet-length 1000  ; Use 1000-character Kermit packets 
set modem sportster
set line /dev/ttyS1
set speed 115200
set file type text
set file name lit
set dial init-string AT&F&A3&B1&H1&R2&D2&C1M0X4S0=0S7=90\{13}


I copied my init string from the comm program which came with my
modem, thinking these people knew more than I.

Can anyone suggest why I am not connecting at better rates?

P.S., I noticed the above init string includes an &R2 which apparently
means "RX to DTE/RTS high".  Could someone please explain this
jibberish?  (-;

Thanks,
Jim.


-- 
jzero@netcom.com

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In <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>In article <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes:
>> In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt
>> to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server.  With version 
>> 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required.  I assume this is because 
>> the forward command has been added.  Would it be a major violation of style
>> if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish?
>---------
>	It would not be a swift idea. We already have too many "nicname"
>commands as it is. Surely FIN is not to cumbersome to type. But if your
>preferences are strong then DEFINE F FINISH. Self help.
>	Joe D.

I agree about the "nickname" commands - one person's nifty abbreviation
is another's non-mnemonic mystery - but I tried applying Joe's solution
to re-name an existing command (or its nickname) and failed:

    MS-Kermit>ver
    IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.13 8 July 1993 patch level 17
    MS-Kermit>show macro x
     No macro(s)
     Free space (bytes) for names: 612

    MS-Kermit>x
    ?Transmit file not found
    ?Timeout
    MS-Kermit>define x push
    MS-Kermit>show macro x
     X = push
     Free space (bytes) for names: 607

    MS-Kermit>x
    ?Transmit file not found
    ?Timeout
    MS-Kermit> 

Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name?  


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In article <jzeroD2x187.J3p@netcom.com>, Jim Nakamura <jzero@netcom.com> wrote:
>Whenever I connect to internet service provider, I get the message
>
>	CONNECT 14400/V32/NONE
>	Can't change speed to 14400
>
>I am using Kermit(190) for Linux from a 486 PC Clone, together with
>a 28.8 USR Sportster.
>
>My .mykermrc file has the following relevant lines:
>
>set delay 1                     ; I escape back quickly
>set dial display on             ; I like to watch C-Kermit dial
>set window 2                    ; Use 2 window slots
>set block 3                     ; Use 16-bit CRC error checking        
>set receive packet-length 1000  ; Use 1000-character Kermit packets 
>set modem sportster
>set line /dev/ttyS1
>set speed 115200
>set file type text
>set file name lit
>set dial init-string AT&F&A3&B1&H1&R2&D2&C1M0X4S0=0S7=90\{13}
>
>I copied my init string from the comm program which came with my
>modem, thinking these people knew more than I.
>
>Can anyone suggest why I am not connecting at better rates?
>
As explained in the manual (just type "help" at the C-Kermit prompt
to find out more about the manual), there are numerous ways in which
you have to get the software (Kermit in this case) and the modem to
agree.  Perhaps chief among them is the treatment of the interface speed.

Modems can be configured to make their interface speed follow the
connection speed, or to keep their interface speed fixed no matter what
the connection speed turns out to be.

Modern high-speed, error-correcting, data-compressing modems should
generally be configured in the latter way: with interface speed fixed,
or locked.

You have set your modem this way (&B1), but you did not set Kermit this
way, so Kermit tried to change its interface speed to 14400 when it got
the "CONNECT 14400" message from the modem.  Luckily, it could not do
this, since evidently 14400 is not a supported speed on your computer.

The trick is to tell Kermit to use the highest reliable interface speed it
and your computer and your modem all have in common, and to use RTS/CTS
"hardware" flow control if available, and then before dialing, tell Kermit
to "set dial speed-matching off".  See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for
a longer explanation.

>P.S., I noticed the above init string includes an &R2 which apparently
>means "RX to DTE/RTS high".  Could someone please explain this
>jibberish?  (-;
>
It probably means "don't let the modem send data to the computer unless
the computer is asserting the Request To Send (RTS) signal".  That's one
half (one direction) of the bidirectional RTS/CTS flow-control regime.

- Frank

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From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos)
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Subject: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC
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I don't know what I'm missing here.  I want to create a pcget and
pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to
automatically send and receive files from another computers.

I can't get this to work right.  If I do "apc <string>" when connected
to my host, I get the string placed and executed.

However if I do this when the host is using C-Kermit, I get an error
complaining that it doesn't recognize the command or string.

For example, `apc r' prints r on the command line.  If I'm in C-Kermit on
the host (remember MSK locally) and I do `apc r' I see _r?no keywords
match _r \ found on the C-Kermit> prompt.

My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. 
I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc...

Am I missing something so obvious that it's silly.  I get the
impression from the documentation that this should work.

Thanks in advance...

        --Jerry

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Hi:
    I need to find out for my networks class how Kermit allows all bytes
to be displayed in 7-bit ASCII format. Is there a FAQ for Kermit, or a
www page? Or if anyone has a short explanation, it would be appreciated.

Thanks
_/ason


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In article <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu>, galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes:
> 
> Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name?  
> 

In 3.14 I was able to define f but not h.  h is help no matter what I do to it.

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Peter Schmolck (p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de) wrote:
: Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment
: single commands in macro definitions. Any leads?

Would it work to put full-line comments between the macro lines?  You 
could use spaces to place the comments on the right side of your screen.

-- 
David

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!)
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In article <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu>, galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes:
> [article both posted and mailed]
> 
> In <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu>,
> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>>In article <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes:
>>> In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt
>>> to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server.  With version 
>>> 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required.  I assume this is because 
>>> the forward command has been added.  Would it be a major violation of style
>>> if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish?
>>---------
>>	It would not be a swift idea. We already have too many "nicname"
>>commands as it is. Surely FIN is not to cumbersome to type. But if your
>>preferences are strong then DEFINE F FINISH. Self help.
>>	Joe D.
> 
> I agree about the "nickname" commands - one person's nifty abbreviation
> is another's non-mnemonic mystery - but I tried applying Joe's solution
> to re-name an existing command (or its nickname) and failed:
> 
>     MS-Kermit>ver
>     IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.13 8 July 1993 patch level 17
>     MS-Kermit>show macro x
>      No macro(s)
>      Free space (bytes) for names: 612
> 
>     MS-Kermit>x
>     ?Transmit file not found
>     ?Timeout
>     MS-Kermit>define x push
>     MS-Kermit>show macro x
>      X = push
>      Free space (bytes) for names: 607
> 
>     MS-Kermit>x
>     ?Transmit file not found
>     ?Timeout
>     MS-Kermit> 
> 
> Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name?  
--------
	Yes, use "F" as in my example above. Not all macro names in
conflict with exiting names will be accepted. 
	Joe D. 

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From: cyncam@toto.plymouth.edu (Cynthia Campbell)
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HI. I left a message some time ago but later realized that kermit is
mostly not used by macs so I'd appreciate it if someone could leave a 
message as to whether this news group is geared to non-mac users? Thanks. cc.

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From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty)
Subject: File Transfers Fail Uploading but not Downloading!
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The problem is this: I can download beautifully (9K packets at 1850
CPS on a 19200 device with no harware compression), but when I try to
upload, I can only send a few packets.  When the file is small (under
about 3 packets), I get amazing transfer rates, as high as 7500 CPS!!!

I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 on my PC and C-Kermit on the remote host
also.  I've tried this with MS-Kermit on this end under both DOS and
OS/2 (with MS-Kermit the problem is even worse; can send absolutely no
more than one packet), and I've tried uploading to different remote
machines with different C-Kermit edits.  Therefore, I think the
problem must be my DOV (data-over-voice) unit.  If you're not familiar
with these, they are Hayes compatible modems that allow you to connect
and talk on the phone at the same time.  It's a direct connection to
the remote dialup server.

This is my last resort; I've spoken with system administrators and
they have never even heard of such problems.  I've tried everything I
can think of; switching COM drivers, changing the flow control and
speed, changing the packet size ... everything,

Thanks in advance ...
Andy

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Hi,

Can anybody tell me how to set the "8-bit-quote" to "off" with
C-Kermit 5A(188) 23 Nov 1992?

I tried "set ?" but I could not find a command that could be used to
turn the 8th-bit-quoting off.

Thanks....Bernie.

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In article <3g5ogv$glp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
:In article <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu>,
:Jerry Alexandratos <darkstar@chopin.udel.edu> wrote:
:>In article <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu>,
:>Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
:>:In article <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
:>:> 
:>:> I don't know what I'm missing here.  I want to create a pcget and
:>:> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to
:>:> automatically send and receive files from another computers.
:>
:Maybe you could be more specific about exactly which two kinds of computers
:you are trying to do this for, and what the "other" version of Kermit is.
:
:>:> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. 
:>:> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc...
:>
:You're not being clear about which Kermit program is sending the APC,
:which one is supposed to be receiving it, etc.
:
:>So I guess this means that macros like pcget and pcsend will only work
:>with with C-Kermit.  Dang!  And I was hoping to emulate similar
:>functionality from the pc end of a MSK to C-Kermit connection.
:>
:Of course it works.  Just read the documentation and follow the instructions.
:
:For C-Kermit 5A(190), which I assume in your case is the "APC sender", read
:section 3.1 of ckcker.upd.
:
:For MS-DOS Kermit as the "APC receiver", there are certain slight variations
:that depend on the program version.  Version 3.12 and earlier did not have
:this feature.  Version 3.13 was the first to support APC, and by default it
:was "ON".  However, during 3.13's lifetime we received a number of comments
:stating that there were certain risks to having it on by default, and
:therefore it was better to have it OFF by default in hopes that users would
:do some reading to figure out how to turn it ON and hopefully see the
:accompanying material on the risks.  This was done in version 3.14.  Read
:about it in section 10 of the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with this version.
:
:Basically, all you have to do is tell MS-DOS Kermit to "set term apc on".
:
:And on the subject of APC, note that C-Kermit 5A(190) (in the UNIX, VMS,
:and OS/2 versions) now can itself be an APC receiver, and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14
:can be an APC sender.
:
:If you have any further problems after reading the documentation, report them
:by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu.
:
:- Frank

Sorry, I apoligize I guess I wasn't clear enough, or maybe I should've
quoted the original post a little more than what I did.

The ignorance is mine in this matter.  I didn't think that I would have
to be in terminal mode to make these macros work from the MSK side when
I was using MSK locally and CK on the host.

However, Joe's explanation that you need to be in terminal mode for the
APC commands to be received straightened everything out for me.

I didn't mean that the pcsend/get macros don't work at all.  They do. 
I should know, I use them almost everyday!  What I meant was that there
was no way to do the same functionality using APC with MSK on the local
machine and CK on the host because there was no terminal emulation
present (since I would have to escape back to the command line to
execute them).

Damn!  Improper pronount/subject reference.  Maybe I should've listened
to my elementary school grammar teacher with a little more fervor?  8)

Thanks for all the input though.

        --Jerry

-- 
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|>  darkstar@strauss.udel.edu         **   fuego ten cuidado cuando  <|
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Need help.
Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:01:22 GMT
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In article <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu>,
Mark Kuang Luo  <luo+@CMU.EDU> wrote:
>I need to find out for my networks class how Kermit allows all bytes
>to be displayed in 7-bit ASCII format.  Or if anyone has a short
>explanation, it would be appreciated.
>
I think you are asking: how can Kermit transfer 8-bit data over 7-bit
communication links?  You can find the answer in the Kermit protocol
specification:

  Frank da Cruz, "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", Digital Press /
  Butterworth Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6.

Your school library probably has a copy.

>Is there a FAQ for Kermit, or a www page
>
Yes to both.  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/.  You'll find the FAQ in
"Further Information".  Also by ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, kermit/FAQ.TXT.

- Frank

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From: jlg@fundp.ac.be (Jean-Luc GOFFIN)
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Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32
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>>Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups
>>and TCP/IP 32?

>Yes.

>> ..... However some users need Windows for Workgroups, and then a 
>>packet driver will not work.
>>

>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file that includes an extensive
>discussion of this problem.

>Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary
>mode, file msvibm.zip.  Unzip with "-d" switch.  Read top-level READ.ME
>to get started.  Read the Windows for Workgroups of NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC
>for the information you are asking for.
>
>- Frank

I use ethernet adapters 3com Etherlink Family.  I have make modifications 
in files system.ini and protocol.ini.  
I have a error PRO0008E "invalid decimal digit in protocol.ini file" 
"error loading protman.ini" when I execute "net start" in autoexec.bat 
file.

Does anybody have experience (samples files.ini) installing kermit 3.14 
under Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with 3c509 or 3c503 Etherlink card, 
netbeui, ipx/spx compatible with netbios, MS-TCP/IP 3.11a.  


Thanks for any info,

Jean-Luc


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In article <heliosD2xHwy.8L@netcom.com>,
Thomas David Nichols <helios@netcom.com> wrote:
>Peter Schmolck (p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de) wrote:
>: Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment
>: single commands in macro definitions. Any leads?
>
>Would it work to put full-line comments between the macro lines?  You 
>could use spaces to place the comments on the right side of your screen.
>
No, it would not work.  There is presently no reliable way to imbed
comments within an MS-DOS Kermit command, and a macro definition is a
command.  You can have full-line comments and trailing comments, but not
imbedded comments.

Yes, this is a desirable feature, and maybe it will appear in a future
release.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: HELP: 8-bit-quote and C-Kermit 5A(188)
Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:07:54 GMT
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In article <25JAN95.00282939.0029@unbvm1.csd.unb.ca>,
Bernie Connors, UNB, New Brunswick, CANADA, eh! <Q56X@UNB.CA> wrote:
>Can anybody tell me how to set the "8-bit-quote" to "off" with
>C-Kermit 5A(188) 23 Nov 1992?
>I tried "set ?" but I could not find a command that could be used to
>turn the 8th-bit-quoting off.
>
This is explained, clearly I hope, in the manual, "Using C-Kermit".

There is no explicit command to turn this feature off and on.  It is
used if PARITY is not NONE, i.e. if it is EVEN, ODD, MARK, or SPACE.

If PARITY is NONE, it is not used.

Note that Kermit will detect EVEN, ODD, or MARK parity automatically,
and will use 8th-bit prefixing (and/or locking shifts) if it is
detected, as it must do in order to transmit 8-bit data through a
7-bit channel.

Also note that the current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190).

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Is this newsgroup for mac users of kermit as well?
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In article <3g5sje$fl@toto.plymouth.edu>,
Cynthia Campbell <cyncam@toto.plymouth.edu> wrote:
>HI. I left a message some time ago but later realized that kermit is
>mostly not used by macs so I'd appreciate it if someone could leave a 
>message as to whether this news group is geared to non-mac users?
>
It doesn't have to be.  There is a Macintosh version of Kermit and
everybody is free to use it and discuss it, but it's only fair to warn
you that it is not supported as well as MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit, or
IBM Mainframe Kermit, due to lack of Macintosh programmers available
to work on the project.

Mac Kermit was originally written here at Columbia University in the
days when we still had a staff of professional programmers for Kermit
software development.  Those days are long gone, and since then we
have relied on a succession of volunteer programmers elsewhere.  The
last of these succumbed to the exigencies of Real Life some years
ago, and since then the Macintosh-specific aspects of Mac Kermit have
remained relatively static, which would not be such a bad thing if
it were not for the fact that Macintosh hardware and OSs have been
changing out from under it at a rapid pace.  For example, Mac Kermit
suddenly lost its ability to download (receive) files when Mac OS 7.1
was released, because a particular system call started working
differently (I fixed this problem myself, but that should not be taken
as an indication that I know anything about Macintosh programming!).

The current version of Mac Kermit is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit
5A(190).  It has some problems and limitations, which are listed in the
accompanying "beware" file, but it is quite usable for many purposes and
has a good VT320 emulator.

Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the
kermit/f directory:

  ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format
  ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988)
  ckmker.ps  -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40)
  ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc
  ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font

and in the kermit/charsets directory:

  maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself

Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details.

Macintosh programmers with an MPW C 3.2 (or later) development system are
more than welcome to pitch in.  Nothing would please me more than to be
able to bring Mac Kermit back to life.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3g5uor$j8f@chopin.udel.edu>,
Jerry Alexandratos <darkstar@chopin.udel.edu> wrote:
>...
>I didn't mean that the pcsend/get macros don't work at all.  They do. 
>I should know, I use them almost everyday!  What I meant was that there
>was no way to do the same functionality using APC with MSK on the local
>machine and CK on the host because there was no terminal emulation
>present (since I would have to escape back to the command line to
>execute them).
>
Maybe this will help.

There are different approaches to automating things.  If you want the
client (the "local" Kermit, the Kermit that is running on the PC on your
desk, or whatever) to control things, then you do this with a script
program using INPUT and OUTPUT and related commands to send commands to
the host and read and act on its responses.

If you want the host to control things, then your local Kermit must be
in terminal mode, and the host sends commands to it embedded in APC
sequences.

A third configuration has the host Kermit program in server mode, and
the local Kermit controlling it with SEND, GET, REMOTE, and FINISH
commands.  A fourth has the local Kermit in server mode and the remote
one controlling it in the same way.

Other combinations can be imagined, e.g. both Kermit programs running
scripts at the same time that interact with each other, but the main trick
is in appreciating that we don't have a "modeless" situation here, so when
automating things, the controlling script must be conscious of what mode
the controlled entity is in.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: File Transfers Fail Uploading but not Downloading!
Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:38:51 GMT
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In article <D31EGK.Mo3@physics.purdue.edu>,
Andrew J. Korty <korty@london.physics.purdue.edu> wrote:
>The problem is this: I can download beautifully (9K packets at 1850
>CPS on a 19200 device with no harware compression), but when I try to
>upload, I can only send a few packets.  When the file is small (under
>about 3 packets), I get amazing transfer rates, as high as 7500 CPS!!!
>
>I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 on my PC and C-Kermit on the remote host
>also.  I've tried this with MS-Kermit on this end under both DOS and
>OS/2 (with MS-Kermit the problem is even worse; can send absolutely no
>more than one packet), and I've tried uploading to different remote
>machines with different C-Kermit edits.  Therefore, I think the
>problem must be my DOV (data-over-voice) unit.  If you're not familiar
>with these, they are Hayes compatible modems that allow you to connect
>and talk on the phone at the same time.  It's a direct connection to
>the remote dialup server.
>
Data connections are rarely symmetrical.  The fact that something works
in one direction is not a good predictor of success in the other
direction.

Yours are the classic symptoms of big buffers in the downstream direction,
tiny buffers in the upstream direction.  A common configuration, based on
the assumption that when one makes a dialup connection, the only upstream
traffic will be keystrokes (at most, 10 per second), but the downstream
traffic will be voluminous (the responses to your commands).

Where are these "buffers"?  Probably in the terminal server.  And in your
case maybe we also have something going on with the modems.  Maybe your
DOV modems allocate higher bandwidth upstream than down.

To cope with this situation, you can sometimes reconfigure the
communications equipment to be more symmetrical.  This requires digging
through the technical manuals for the devices involved.

But in any case, it is ESSENTIAL to institute the most effective possible
means of flow control at EVERY juncture along the communication path:
between your PC and the modem, between the answering modem and the
terminal server, and so on.  This should be "hardware" (RTS/CTS) flow
control if it is available.  In-band "software" flow control methods such
as Xon/Xoff do not work nearly as well.  Unfortunately RTS/CTS is not
always available.  For example, one popular terminal server model supports
RTS/CTS only in one direction (the downloading one, on the aforementioned
assumption) so uploads through these devices often run into trouble.

- Frank

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Are you looking of native mode or scan code mode???

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From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
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Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) writes:

> Is there any chance that the KERMIT.EXE on it's own could be made available?
> I'm on a dialup connection and if the only thing that has changed is
> KERMIT.EXE then I'm actually duplicating my download.

The probability is 1:
	ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/msvibm.exe

Daniel Lewart
d-lewart@uiuc.edu

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From: g_rober@pavo.concordia.ca (ROBERT, GABRIEL)
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Subject: Any way to do VT100 emulation in C-Kermit under FreeBSD ? HELP!
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Hello,

I need to emulate a VT100 terminal from FreeBSD version 1.  I am currently
using Kermit 5A(190).

A friend told me there was no way to do such a thing!

I hope somebody out ther would have a better answer: I am looking for:
	1) a way to do it from Kermit
	OR
	2) a VT-100 terminal emulation that I could use from FreeBSD 
	   to contact the host.

(I am using a 386)

Thank you in advance: any help will be greatly appreciated

Gabriel ROBERT
Computer Science, 2nd year
Concordia University, CANADA


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In article <3gb0hr$ki@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:

>Yours are the classic symptoms of big buffers in the downstream direction,
>tiny buffers in the upstream direction.  A common configuration, based on
>the assumption that when one makes a dialup connection, the only upstream
>traffic will be keystrokes (at most, 10 per second), but the downstream
>traffic will be voluminous (the responses to your commands).
>
>Where are these "buffers"?  Probably in the terminal server.  And in your
>case maybe we also have something going on with the modems.  Maybe your
>DOV modems allocate higher bandwidth upstream than down.
>
>To cope with this situation, you can sometimes reconfigure the
>communications equipment to be more symmetrical.  This requires digging
>through the technical manuals for the devices involved.

... and having access to that communications equipment.  I doubt PUCC
would be to keen on such an extended level of customer service.

>But in any case, it is ESSENTIAL to institute the most effective possible
>means of flow control at EVERY juncture along the communication path:
>between your PC and the modem, between the answering modem and the
>terminal server, and so on.  This should be "hardware" (RTS/CTS) flow
>control if it is available.  In-band "software" flow control methods such
>as Xon/Xoff do not work nearly as well.  Unfortunately RTS/CTS is not
>always available.  For example, one popular terminal server model supports
>RTS/CTS only in one direction (the downloading one, on the aforementioned
>assumption) so uploads through these devices often run into trouble.

Well, I was using RTS/CTS between my PC and the modem, and no flow
control between the machine and the terminal server.  I've tried
changing these with no success.  I can't figure out what the modem
pool uses to communicate with the terminal server, and I don't think I
could change it if I needed to.

So, I guess I'm just hosed, unless other people start complaining
about this as well ...

Andy

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Subject: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and Dynamic IP Addresses
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My Internet service provider recently "upgraded" its terminal servers and
now only supports dynamic IP addressing.  I've not yet been able to make
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 work with any packet driver other than SLIP8250.COM,
and I can no longer use it because it requires static IP addresses. 

Has anyone out there found a way to use MS-DOS Kermit in a situation like
mine?  Should I try CSLIP?  Are there DOS-based PPP drivers that, unlike
Merit's ETHERPPP, will work with Kermit?

	I can't (won't!) run Windows.

	I _must_ run MS-DOS Kermit.  (Because I love it!)

	I can't communicate with my ISP.  (They're way too arrogant!)

	I'm desparate.

Please help.

---
Jim Monty
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I need to know how to maintain global variables after I pass in and out of
the user interface.  I checked the program logic manual, but it only made
a passing reference to the fact the variables are not normally kept when
calling group 2 fuctions.  

Please help me this is the last thing I need to get my custom version into
beta:)
thanks in advance,
Paul
DrakePR@aol.com

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In article <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>
>The sad fact is that the good old days of subsidized development of free
>software are over.  You might find a few people who still do it, but you
>won't find it on an organizational level.  Look, for example, at the Free
>Software Foundation.  Have you read their literature lately?  The rule of
>the 90s is: if you want people to work for you, you have to pay them.  The
>Kermit effort, and the FSF (if I may speak for them), are relics from the
>good old days who want to keep a certain non-commercial, open, and
>generous spirit alive, and make some contribution to humanity, but are
>forced by economic circumstances to raise money to cover expenses.  If
>millions of people did not use and benefit from our software, we might
>think that we were irrelevant anachronisms who deserved to disappear and
>give way to the voracious market forces of the 90s, but that does not seem
>to be the case.  But what is disturbing is the growing attitude that "we"
>(organizations like the Kermit group and the FSF) should work for "you"
>with no compensation.

Eloquent, sad and true.  We have to support Kermit by buying its books 
just as we have to support PBS with our contributions.   

Norman Miller

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I am working on an internal version of c-kermit.....I need to know where I
can 
declare a couple of vars (3 ints and a char array) such that they will be 
global to all modules.

thanks in advance
paul
DrakePR@aol.com

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Need help.
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In article <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu>, Mark Kuang Luo <luo+@CMU.EDU> writes:
> Hi:
>     I need to find out for my networks class how Kermit allows all bytes
> to be displayed in 7-bit ASCII format. Is there a FAQ for Kermit, or a
> www page? Or if anyone has a short explanation, it would be appreciated.
-------------
	Far be it from me to do your homework (I'm a Prof too, and my grad 
networks class is slaving away on my IP packet fragment reassembly techniques
without many hints from me).
	Your question is a little mysterious. Kermit does not display all
bytes as ASCII because not all byte values (code points in the jargon)
are displayable (printable in the jargon). Control codes aren't, for example.
Only one character set is ASCII, ASCII itself. Yet Kermit deals with many
different character sets.
	In general, there isn't a way of answering adequately in a News
message, but I'll indicate the tip of the iceberg in a few sentences.
Display devices have one or two display "pages", named Graphics Left
(GLeft) and Graphics Right (GRight). GLeft is without a high bit set
in its code points and is often ASCII; GRight is for code points with
the high bit set and is a variety of character sets. VT100 terminals
have only GLeft and use control codes SO and SI to change to/from (Shift
Out / In, respectively) a replacement character set. VT200 and above
have GLeft and GRight, and they support ISO 2022 control sequences to
map character sets to either GR or GL. ISO 2022 says behind the GR/GL
display pair exists four pages named G0..G3 ready to move into GR/GL
upon command. Commands exist to load G0..G3 with character sets of
choice drawn from a secondary storage of many possible sets.
	If you review cryptic doc msvibm.vt located on kermit.columbia.edu
in directory kermit/a you will see the command sequences to load GR/GL
from G0..G3, to shift in/out, and so on. That's hard to understand without
also reading the ISO 2022 doc, but we can't reproduce the latter item
(copyright, etc). A cutout of some interesting pieces of msvibm.vt are
appended below. If you have access to DEC VT200/300/400 technical manuals
then they have good pictures and discussion of the ISO 2022 mechanisms.
	Joe D.
---------------
 ESC ( <ident>	SCS		Designates 94 byte character set <ident> to G0
 ESC ) <ident>	SCS		Designates 94 byte character set <ident> to G1
 ESC * <ident>	SCS		Designates 94 byte character set <ident> to G2
 ESC + <ident>	SCS		Designates 94 byte character set <ident> to G3
 ESC - <ident>	SCS		Designates 96 byte character set <ident> to G1
 ESC . <ident>	SCS		Designates 96 byte character set <ident> to G2
 ESC / <ident>	SCS		Designates 96 byte character set <ident> to G3
	     <ident>    size	character set
		A	 94	UK-ASCII (ASCII, sharp sign 2/3 replaced by
				 Sterling sign), strictly only when a VT102
				 but permitted by Kermit also for VT220/VT320
		A	 96	ISO Latin-1 (default in G2, G3)
		B	 94	ASCII (default in G0, G1)
		0	 94	DEC Special Graphics (line drawing)
		1	 94/96	Kermit, ALT-ROM
		2	 94	DEC Special Graphics (line drawing)
		%5	 94	DEC Supplemental Graphics
		<	 94/96	User Preferred Supplemental Set*
		>	 94	DEC Technical set (from VT340's)
		H	 96	Hebrew-ISO (ISO 8859-8)
		"4	 94	Hebrew-7
 * VT300 terminals give choice of ISO Latin-1 (96) or DEC Supplemental

Graphics (94) determined by a Setup menu selection or host command.  VT420
Hebrew terminals add choices of Hebrew-ISO and Hebrew-7.  MS-DOS Kermit has
DEC Supplemental Graphics as the startup UPSS character set.

If the size of the character set does not match the <ident> nothing happens.
Startup defaults are ASCII in G0 and G1, ISO Latin-1 in G2 and G3, GL points
to G0, GR points to G2.  Activating DEC National Replacement Characters maps
the NRC set selected by SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET <country> into G0..G3.
Single and Locking shifts, SS2, SS3, LS0 (SI), LS1 (SO), LS1R, LS2, LS2R, LS3,
LS3R determine which set is mapped to the GLeft or GRight area.


 ESC n		LS2		Map character set in G2 to GL, locking shift
 ESC o		LS3		Map character set in G3 to GL, locking shift
 ESC |		LS3R		Map character set in G3 to GR, locking shift
 ESC }		LS2R		Map character set in G2 to GR, locking shift
 ESC ~		LS1R		Map character set in G1 to GR, locking shift

Control Codes in C0 (no high bit) Area:

 Name	ASCII    value
 	chart  	hex keyboard			operation
 SO/LS1	0/14	0eh   ^N	Map character set in G1 to GL, locking shift
 SI/LS0	0/15	0fh   ^O	Map character set in G0 to GL, locking shift

Control codes in C1 (high bit set) Area:

 Name	ASCII    value
 	chart   8-bit 7-bit		operation
 SS2	8/14  	8eh   ESC N	Map G2 to GL for next char only, single shift
 SS3	8/15  	8fh   ESC O	Map G3 to GL for next char only, single shift


 Character sets:

 VT320		Character set storage areas
		G0			G1, G2, and G3
 -------------------------------	--------------------------------
 Any 94 char set			Any 94 or 96 char set
 ASCII ("B"/94) default 		G1 default is ASCII ("B"/94),
					G2 and G3 defaults are
						 ISO Latin-1 ("A"/96)
 Special Graphics ("0"/94, "2"/94)	
 Alt-Rom ("1"/94) (MS-DOS Kermit only)
 Supplementary Graphics ("%5"/94)
 Technical (">"/94) (from VT340)
 User Preferred, UPSS, if Suppl Gr.	UPSS if ISO Latin-1 or Suppl Gr.
 					DEC-Hebrew or Hebrew-ISO

 National Replacement Characters are forced into all sets when activated
  by CSI ? 42 h but only if a <country> has been previously selected by
  SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET <country>

 VT102		Character set storage areas
	G0 and G1			G2 and G3
 --------------------------------	----------------------------------
 ASCII ("B"/94) Default			ASCII ("B"/94) Default
 Special Graphics ("0"/94, "2"/94)
 Alt-Rom ("1"/94) (MS Kermit only)
 Supplementary Graphics ("%5"/94)
 Technical (">"/94) (from VT340)
 National Replacement Characters	Always ASCII ("B"/94)
  are selected and activated by
  SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET <country>
  and affect only G0 and G1.


 Request  CSI ? 26 n		keyboard dialect
 Response CSI ? 27; Ps n	in MS Kermit this is controlled by
				command SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET <country>
		Ps	Country			Ps	Country
		1	North American/ASCII	9	Italian
		2	British			13	Norwegian/Danish
		8	Dutch			16	Portugese
		6	Finnish			15	Spanish
		14	French			12	Swedish
		4	French Canadian		11	Swiss (German)
		7	German			14      Hebrew

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From: davidm@texas.net (David J. Moczygemba)
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Subject: kermit for IBM AS/400s???
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Hello,

  My realm is the DEC VAX/AXP world.  Recently, a need has arisen to xmit
data to an IBM AS/400.  I would like to use kermit for this purpose. I
have reviewed the material I have available locally; my impression is 
kermit for AS/400 doesn't exist.  Is this true? If so, can anyone 
suggest an alternate method to explore? 

  Any help offered is greatly appreciated.

David


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s???
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In article <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net>,
David J. Moczygemba <davidm@texas.net> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>  My realm is the DEC VAX/AXP world.  Recently, a need has arisen to xmit
>data to an IBM AS/400.  I would like to use kermit for this purpose. I
>have reviewed the material I have available locally; my impression is 
>kermit for AS/400 doesn't exist.  Is this true? If so, can anyone 
>suggest an alternate method to explore? 


No, currently there is no Kermit for the AS/400 series.  Might I ask
what operating system is running on the AS/400?  Is it AIX/400 or OS/400?

Additional info might be useful in attempting to assist you in your
dilemma.


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip 

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32
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In article <3garmn$ilq@hermes.fundp.ac.be>, jlg@fundp.ac.be (Jean-Luc GOFFIN) writes:
>>>Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups
>>>and TCP/IP 32?
> 
>>Yes.
> 
>>> ..... However some users need Windows for Workgroups, and then a 
>>>packet driver will not work.
>>>
> 
>>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file that includes an extensive
>>discussion of this problem.
> 
>>Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary
>>mode, file msvibm.zip.  Unzip with "-d" switch.  Read top-level READ.ME
>>to get started.  Read the Windows for Workgroups of NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC
>>for the information you are asking for.
>>
>>- Frank
> 
> I use ethernet adapters 3com Etherlink Family.  I have make modifications 
> in files system.ini and protocol.ini.  
> I have a error PRO0008E "invalid decimal digit in protocol.ini file" 
> "error loading protman.ini" when I execute "net start" in autoexec.bat 
> file.
> 
> Does anybody have experience (samples files.ini) installing kermit 3.14 
> under Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with 3c509 or 3c503 Etherlink card, 
> netbeui, ipx/spx compatible with netbios, MS-TCP/IP 3.11a.  
-------------
	Syntax errors you will have to work out slowly at your end, but
I can say that Kermit will not run over Microsoft's TCP/IP 32 bit stack
nor can you use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack with that second stack
loaded.
	Joe D.

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From: Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi)
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In article <3fooav$a95@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>
           fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Frank da Cruz" writes:
>As announced in yesterday's posting, this was indeed a serious bug
>in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 dated 12 January 1995.  That version has been
>replaced by a new one dated 18 January 1995, which fixes this bug.
>
>If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you
>want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of
>your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other
>file you might have modified.
Is there any chance that the KERMIT.EXE on it's own could be made available?
I'm on a dialup connection and if the only thing that has changed is
KERMIT.EXE then I'm actually duplicating my download.
Mike
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From: tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Several problems with 01/18 release.
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Hi, all.  I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 (yes, it's the 18 Jan. release) 
and I'm still having problems with the status line being overwritten 
when I'm logged into my Unix account.  Is anyone else having this 
problem?  I had hoped that the new release would fix this.  I'm having 
another problem as well.  Kermit no longer hangs up the phone properly
--I have to break into command mode and issue ath in order to break the
connection.  I'm using my old DATAPORT.SCR and MSCUSTOM.INI files from 
3.13, so that shouldn't be a problem.  If you give a text reference, 
I'll be able to look it up when my book finally arrives (should be in a 
couple of days).  Oh, yeah.  3.14 barfs in Windows now, too.  It floods 
the screen with what looks like 8-bit characters whenever I connect to 
our terminal server, but doesn't do it in DOS.  Finally, the dialer will 
sometimes die immediately after making a connection with the server 
(then I have to wait for the timeout and restart the dial, busy, dial, 
busy, etc. routine that is all too familiar to those of us at KU).  This 
may be attributed to my somewhat aggressive timing on the redial sequence
(13 seconds).

The reason for using my old DATAPORT.SCR is that the new one dies when it 
tries to enable modulation fallback.  I've reverted to the old script 
that I modified that doesn't try to set anything and hard-coded my 
preferences in the modem itself.

Help on any or all of these problems would be greatly appreciated.  If 
you need more information, I'll be more than happy to provide it.

Thanks for your help,

Troy Smith

P.S.  Sorry if the formatting is weird, but I'm using an unfamiliar 
editor to post this. 

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From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR)
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Subject: Re: Any way to do VT100
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What kind of terminal are you using??

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From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: RE: C-Kermit Development (global vars)
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>Just like in any C program, any variable that you declare outside of
>a function is global to the entire program unless you declare it >static.
>
>However, I would recommend that you declare the vars in the module 
>closest in association with the use of the vars.

>Might I ask what modifications you are making to the ck code?

Thanks for the reply - 

I have plowed my way through the code and now have the new version in
test.  (I ended up declaring the vars outside main in ckcmai 
and then declairing them as external in the other mods)

My only remaining problem is one that I need my vars to live on after the
user passes in uses the command mode (user interface.....
ie When I drop to the C-kermit> prompt then move back to connect mode all
my vars are reinitiated.

This is refered to in the Program Logic manual only they refer to them 
as group 1 and group 2 fuctions.

At Last to my question:
Using the nomenclature of the Program Logic Manual I need to maintain my
vars when moving from group 1 fuctions to group 2 fuctions.  How I do
this?? :)

This version keeps a copy of the current terminal screen in memory, and a
tool or two to use that screen.

thanks,
paul

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Subject: Re: C-kermit Unix
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A little more background:

1) The vars are currently defined in ckcmai
2) 2 small fuctions live in ckutio
3) another fuction lives in one of the ckuusr modules 
4) All seems to work fine while I remain in connect mode.  However if I
exit to the prompt and
   return my vars are redefined. :(

Again, thanks in advance.
paul
DrakePR@aol.com

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and Dynamic IP Addresses
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In article <D340HB.3yy@indirect.com>, monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes:
> My Internet service provider recently "upgraded" its terminal servers and
> now only supports dynamic IP addressing.  I've not yet been able to make
> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 work with any packet driver other than SLIP8250.COM,
> and I can no longer use it because it requires static IP addresses. 
> 
> Has anyone out there found a way to use MS-DOS Kermit in a situation like
> mine?  Should I try CSLIP?  Are there DOS-based PPP drivers that, unlike
> Merit's ETHERPPP, will work with Kermit?
> 
> 	I can't (won't!) run Windows.
> 
> 	I _must_ run MS-DOS Kermit.  (Because I love it!)
> 
> 	I can't communicate with my ISP.  (They're way too arrogant!)
> 
> 	I'm desparate.
---------
	Well, just how does your service provider indicate the IP number
to be used for a particular connection? If it's sent as part of a logon
message then what you need is to write a tiny script to do the logon chatter
and pick out the IP number. Note that MSK v3.14 supports \v(input) to
make the INPUT command's buffer available to the sundry \f...() string
manipulation operators.
	Might your provider support Bootp over SLIP? If so that's the end
of the problem.
        Joe D.

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Subject: Telemate & Kermit help ne
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KI> From: kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Keiko Iwayama)
KI> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc

KI> Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to uploa
KI> via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more?  Right now it is set to 8
KI> and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!).  If Telemate
KI> doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or
KI> Qmodem which can be configured like this?


I posted a similar question re: Telix and Kermit in another news group. I 
heard nothing so I'll try here. I seem to only be able to set packet 
lengths to 99 in Telix. Also slooww CPS rate. Any ideas on how to 
circumvent this?

Appreciate any advice.


<<Paul>>




 * RM 1.3 02295 * ... Navy pilot's worst nightmare...NO CARRIER!


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From: davidm@texas.net (David J. Moczygemba)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s???
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In article <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) says:

>No, currently there is no Kermit for the AS/400 series.  Might I ask
>what operating system is running on the AS/400?  Is it AIX/400 or OS/400?
>
>Additional info might be useful in attempting to assist you in your
>dilemma.
>
Thank you for the confirmation.  The AS/400 is running OS/400.  


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From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura)
Subject: Kermit is leaking
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Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the
screen. Kermit (190) is leaking.  This problem does not show up
on other comm programs.

-- 
jzero@netcom.com

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Several problems with 01/18 release.
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In article <1995Jan25.180630.83691@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> Hi, all.  I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 (yes, it's the 18 Jan. release) 
> and I'm still having problems with the status line being overwritten 
> when I'm logged into my Unix account.  Is anyone else having this 
> problem?

	A blind guess is your host is addressing the status line specifically,
such as ESC [ 25 ; column H. LOG SESSION to obtain material for analysis,
wrap in uuencoding to protect binary information, mail to me, jrd@cc.usu.edu,
with commentary.

	  I had hoped that the new release would fix this.  I'm having 
> another problem as well.  Kermit no longer hangs up the phone properly
> --I have to break into command mode and issue ath in order to break the
> connection.  I'm using my old DATAPORT.SCR and MSCUSTOM.INI files from 
> 3.13, so that shouldn't be a problem.  If you give a text reference, 

	But it can be. Please use the one shipped with MSK 3.14 and add
your changes. 

> I'll be able to look it up when my book finally arrives (should be in a 
> couple of days).  Oh, yeah.  3.14 barfs in Windows now, too.  It floods 
> the screen with what looks like 8-bit characters whenever I connect to 
> our terminal server, but doesn't do it in DOS.  Finally, the dialer will 

	Something at your end, such as providing expanded memory but
forgetting to pin down where the 64KB expanded memory frame goes (that's
a frame=segment kind of construction). Please review the release notes
in v3.14 about memory management.

> sometimes die immediately after making a connection with the server 
> (then I have to wait for the timeout and restart the dial, busy, dial, 
> busy, etc. routine that is all too familiar to those of us at KU).  This 
> may be attributed to my somewhat aggressive timing on the redial sequence
> (13 seconds).
> 
> The reason for using my old DATAPORT.SCR is that the new one dies when it 
> tries to enable modulation fallback.  I've reverted to the old script 
> that I modified that doesn't try to set anything and hard-coded my 
> preferences in the modem itself.
	Joe D.

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From: CMSFJK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (F.J.Kelley)
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Hi Net,
Apologies if this is going to the wrong group, or is already answered
elsewhere, but ....
I am using OS/2 2.11 and IBMs TCP 2.0 ... both are working fine.  The
problem comes in communicating with a CDC Cyber 960 mainframe running
NOS.  NOS can provide a full screen environment, and has an editor
(FSE) that really likes such an environment.  When I used DOS, I
could use both MSKermit and CUTCP to connect to our Cyber with no
problems (we wrote an xlate table for the Cyber)...but I have not
been successful in setting up similiar tables for either C-Kermit
for OS/2 or the Telnet package that comes with IBMs TCP.  So I though
I'd see whether I could use MSKermit to make the telnet connection, but
no luck.  Is anyone using such a combination with success?  I would
appreciate any information you might have, thanks,
-- Joe Kelley            jkelley@uga.cc.uga.edu
 
 

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In article <3g5um7$isk@crl4.crl.com>
nmiller@crl.com (Norman Miller) writes:
 
[re: software costs, etc.]
 
>Eloquent, sad and true.  We have to support Kermit by buying its books
>just as we have to support PBS with our contributions.
 
I think this is a great way to do it. I recently bought Lamport's book
on LaTeX.
 
Anytime you can get the quality of software in Kermit or LaTeX, etc.
for the price of a <$40 book it's a bargain! I hope it's a trend.
 
WAKELEY PURPLE
JWPURPZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU
WAKEP@IGLOU.COM

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In article <17332DA68.CMSFJK@uga.cc.uga.edu>,
F.J.Kelley <CMSFJK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> wrote:
>Hi Net,
>Apologies if this is going to the wrong group, or is already answered
>elsewhere, but ....
>I am using OS/2 2.11 and IBMs TCP 2.0 ... both are working fine.  The
>problem comes in communicating with a CDC Cyber 960 mainframe running
>NOS.  NOS can provide a full screen environment, and has an editor
>(FSE) that really likes such an environment.  When I used DOS, I
>could use both MSKermit and CUTCP to connect to our Cyber with no
>problems (we wrote an xlate table for the Cyber)...but I have not
>been successful in setting up similiar tables for either C-Kermit
>for OS/2 or the Telnet package that comes with IBMs TCP.  So I though
>I'd see whether I could use MSKermit to make the telnet connection, but
>no luck.  Is anyone using such a combination with success?  I would
>appreciate any information you might have, thanks,
>-- Joe Kelley            jkelley@uga.cc.uga.edu

You cannot use MS-DOS Kermit in OS/2 for Telnet without being able to 
dedicate a separate Network card to its DOS session.

However, the xlate table you create for the Cyber should work for C-Kermit.
The question is where is the xlate table installed.  I assume that it is
a table that defines a terminal emulation and keyboard setup.  Correct?

If so, then what you need to do is create a keyboard map file that 
sets the keys up so that they match those that you are using in MS-DOS
Kermit.

Take a look at CKOVTK2.INI for an example of a complete VT220 keyboard
layout.

Be sure to be using C-Kermit for OS/2 5A(190), not 5A(189).

ftp from kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/cko190.zip




Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip 

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From: bangus@hookup.net (Brian F. Angus)
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Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32
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>I can say that Kermit will not run over Microsoft's TCP/IP 32 bit stack
>nor can you use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack with that second stack
>loaded.
>        Joe D.


Hi Joe,

I have not yet downloaded the final version of Kermit 3.14 and have not
read the SETUP.DOC for NETWORKS, but there may be a solution.  Dan
Lanciani has written a NDIS3 to real mode packet driver VXD which is
supposed to handle this sort of thing.  It multiplexes the WIN32 IP stack
with the DOS packet driver based IP stack.  This should allow Kermit's
internal TCP/IP stack to function.  I have not tested this with Kermit,
but it is similar to PKTMUX in function.  It's worth examining.  There is
a reference to this driver and a location in the comp.os.tcpip.ibmpc FAQ.

Brian Angus
bangus@hookup.net
bangus@trooa.enet.dec.com


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s???
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In article <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net>,
David J. Moczygemba <davidm@texas.net> wrote:
>In article <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) says:
>
>Thank you for the confirmation.  The AS/400 is running OS/400.  

Well, then the only thing I can recommend is that you use IND$FILE as 
the file transfer protocol.  Use it to move the file to some intermediary
machine which can support both Kermit and IND$FILE.  An OS/2 box with 
Communication Manager/2 and C-Kermit for OS/2 would do.  

You should then be able to send a request to a C-Kermit Server on the OS/2 
machine to get a file from the AS/400.  This would be in the form of a
REXX command.  After the download to OS/2, you would then perform a GET 
on the intermediary file.

You can talk to me in private for more details if you want to pursue 
this avenue.

Of course, if there was a programmer available who had access to a AS/400
that was willing to help us in the port of C-Kermit to that platform, 
well we would be very appreciative. :-)


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip 

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking
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In article <jzeroD35p9C.CAH@netcom.com>, Jim Nakamura <jzero@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the
>screen. Kermit (190) is leaking.  This problem does not show up
>on other comm programs.
>


Sorry, can you be a little more specific?

Random characters at the current cursor position?

Random characters at some other position?

Is it reproducible?  Do these random characters occur often enough that 
you could capture them in a session log which could be sent to me?

Could you please define "leaking"?

Are you using hardware flow control?

Thanks for taking the time to elaborate.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip 

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From: teoh@cs.utk.edu (JONATHAN ENG-SENG TEOH)
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Subject: Kermit uploading problem
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I cannot upload binary files using  Kermit. Can anyone help?

Symptoms:

1. No problem downloading files, whether text or binary.
2. NO problem uploading text files.
3. Cannot upload binary files. Error message: too many retries.

I have tried issuing "set file type binary" on both the host and my pc. 
I have also tried the server mode. No luck. How can this be?

Hardware:
Modem: USRobotics Courier HST dual standard v.32bis    
PC: IBM PS/2 model 55
Host: either VAX Ultrix or VAX VMS. 

Any help would be highly appreciated.


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit uploading problem
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In article <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu>, teoh@cs.utk.edu (JONATHAN ENG-SENG TEOH) writes:
> I cannot upload binary files using  Kermit. Can anyone help?
> 
> Symptoms:
> 
> 1. No problem downloading files, whether text or binary.
> 2. NO problem uploading text files.
> 3. Cannot upload binary files. Error message: too many retries.
> 
> I have tried issuing "set file type binary" on both the host and my pc. 
> I have also tried the server mode. No luck. How can this be?
> 
> Hardware:
> Modem: USRobotics Courier HST dual standard v.32bis    
> PC: IBM PS/2 model 55
> Host: either VAX Ultrix or VAX VMS. 
> 
> Any help would be highly appreciated.
-------------
	More information is needed, I'm afraid to say. Which versions of
Kermits are being used? The VERSION command and the startup herald will
show that. Flow control *must* be used, particularly going to the VAXen.
Since hardware flow control is difficult to achieve on VAXen you are stuck
with XON/XOFF, so be sure the VAX side can send it (see your VAX system
manager). Then do not unprotect XON/XOFF control codes in Kermit packets
because that will let data mistakenly act as flow control bytes.
	Finally, examine the PARITY situation. If parity is in use be
sure to tell both Kermits about it, else you will lose the high bit of
bytes and the transfer will fail.
	Joe D.

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From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair)
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Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s???
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jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

>In article <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net>,
>David J. Moczygemba <davidm@texas.net> wrote:
>>In article <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) says:
>>
>>Thank you for the confirmation.  The AS/400 is running OS/400.  
>
>Well, then the only thing I can recommend is that you use IND$FILE as 
>the file transfer protocol.  Use it to move the file to some intermediary
>machine which can support both Kermit and IND$FILE.  An OS/2 box with 
>Communication Manager/2 and C-Kermit for OS/2 would do.  
>
>You should then be able to send a request to a C-Kermit Server on the OS/2 
>machine to get a file from the AS/400.  This would be in the form of a
>REXX command.  After the download to OS/2, you would then perform a GET 
>on the intermediary file.

That sounds like a workable solution to the problem.  I'd be inclined to
recommend using ftp (of TCP/IP) rather than IND$FILE for the OS/2 to AS/400
link if performance is an issue.
-- 

Bob Shair                          Open Systems Consultant
1018 W. Springfield Avenue         shair@uiuc.edu
Champaign, IL 61821		   217/356-2684

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In article <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au>
paul.garcia@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (PAUL GARCIA) writes:
 
>KI> Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to uploa
>KI> via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more?  Right now it is set to 8
>KI> and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!).  If Telemate
>KI> doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or
>KI> Qmodem which can be configured like this?
>
>I posted a similar question re: Telix and Kermit in another news group. I
>heard nothing so I'll try here. I seem to only be able to set packet
>lengths to 99 in Telix. Also slooww CPS rate. Any ideas on how to
>circumvent this?
>
>Appreciate any advice.
>
>
 
I'll answer to both, although I know Telix better than Terminate.  There's
a couple of threads about Telix and MS-Kermit in Fidonet.  Basically, you
can install MS-Kermit as an external protocol in Telix.  What you need is
a simple batch file that has one line: (Pick based on which version of Kermit
you have)
c:\msker314\kerlite.exe   (MS-Kermit 3.14)
c:\msker313\kermit.exe    (MS-Kermit 3.13) -- adjust based on your path.
 
Save the batch file as KERMIT.BAT and call it from the External protocols
menu.  You do not have to pass file names.  The download and upload batch
file is the same (KERMIT.BAT).  You do need to have Kermit either in your
PATH statement or in the same directory as Telix/Terminate.
 
You then configure the long packets in the MSCUSTOM.INI files.  I have
packets set to 2000, and it works fine for me.
 
That serves as the basics--you will want to check out the book as well as
the Kermit FAQ--that will tell you how to optimize your performance even more.
I have a poor server connection here, and can get 675 cps on text transfers
at 9600 bps, and about 400 cps on binarys.  The FAQ explains how to optimize
still more.  The FAQ is available by FTP to kermit.columbia.edu
 
Telix does *NOT* have the full Kermit implementation--it's only a subset that
has a max of 94 cps.  That is explained in the Telix 3.2x documentation.
I don't believe Telemate does either.  That's why Frank and others urge us
to use Columbia's Kermit.
Hope this helps!
 
Michael Dreher
Dept. of Speech Communication
Louisiana State University
Baton Rouge, LA  70803-3923
spdreh@lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu (Internet)

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit uploading problem
Date: 30 Jan 1995 14:42:24 GMT
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In article <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu>,
JONATHAN ENG-SENG TEOH <teoh@cs.utk.edu> wrote:
>I cannot upload binary files using  Kermit. Can anyone help?
>
>1. No problem downloading files, whether text or binary.
>2. NO problem uploading text files.
>3. Cannot upload binary files. Error message: too many retries.
>
>I have tried issuing "set file type binary" on both the host and my pc. 
>I have also tried the server mode. No luck. How can this be?
>
Something in the upstream path is sensitive to the contents of the
Kermit packets.

If you are using the SET CONTROL UNPREFIX feature, then stop using it.

If that is not the answer, then use SET PARITY SPACE.

One or both of these should do the trick.

- Frank

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In article <3gi4kf$a72@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair <shair@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
>
>>In article <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net>,
>>David J. Moczygemba <davidm@texas.net> wrote:
>>>In article <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) says:
>>>
>>You should then be able to send a request to a C-Kermit Server on the OS/2 
>>machine to get a file from the AS/400.  This would be in the form of a
>>REXX command.  After the download to OS/2, you would then perform a GET 
>>on the intermediary file.
>
>That sounds like a workable solution to the problem.  I'd be inclined to
>recommend using ftp (of TCP/IP) rather than IND$FILE for the OS/2 to AS/400
>link if performance is an issue.

The difference is that IND$FILE can be executed on OS/2 via a batch process.
I do not believe that there is an automated ftp for OS/2 yet.

Also, it is unclear whether TCP/IP services are available on this OS/400 
system.

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Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip 

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From: smsummer@acs.ucalgary.ca (Stephan Martin Summerer)
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Subject: C-Kermit and Warp
Date: 30 Jan 1995 08:27:24 -0700
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Can somebody help me here? When I was running C-Kermit 5A (190
and 189, either one) I used to be able to download in the
background no problem. Now that I upgraded to Warp whenever I
switch away to another task, even just to the desktop (I am
running full screen C-Kermit) the transfer is aborted. C-kermit
for OS/2 says that the other end stopped tranmitting and it timed
out, but when I switch back to terminal mode everyting is still
coming out at the screen. Is there some default setting that was
changed in Warp compared to 2.11? How about a mode setting for
the com port? It is frustrating to sit there and watch the
transfer take place, I might as well be running DOS (uhnn!)
	Stephan



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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit and Warp
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In article <3gj0gs$1b3r@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>,
Stephan Martin Summerer <smsummer@acs.ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>Can somebody help me here? When I was running C-Kermit 5A (190
>and 189, either one) I used to be able to download in the
>background no problem. Now that I upgraded to Warp whenever I
>switch away to another task, even just to the desktop (I am
>running full screen C-Kermit) the transfer is aborted. C-kermit
>for OS/2 says that the other end stopped tranmitting and it timed
>out, but when I switch back to terminal mode everyting is still
>coming out at the screen. Is there some default setting that was
>changed in Warp compared to 2.11? How about a mode setting for
>the com port? It is frustrating to sit there and watch the
>transfer take place, I might as well be running DOS (uhnn!)
>	Stephan

WARP provides no changes to the API for the system or its defaults.
When using WARP you should only use 5A(190) as 5A(189) is not
compatible with WARP's IAK.  Of course, 5A(190) also has many
additional features.

Things that did change in WARP were the COM drivers.  Many people
have complained about the drivers when they don't have a buffered 
UART.

You also don't mention what speed you are transmitting at.

Make sure you are using hardware flow control.

And what else are you running in the background?  Are you using the
Windows quick-load option by chance?




Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip 

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From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler)
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Clearly, Kermit should take into account the fact that you are attempting
to resume an interrupted transfer.  You can get around the refusal, though.
Just SET ATTR LEN OFF.
					John Chandler



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Subject: Re: Telemate & Kermit help ne
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kudut@ritz.mordor.com <Ken>
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                                                            30.Jan.1995

In article <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au>,
paul.garcia@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (PAUL GARCIA) wrote:
> KI> From: kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Keiko Iwayama)
> KI> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
> 
> KI> Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to uploa
> KI> via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more?  Right now it is set to 8
> KI> and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!).  If Telemate
> KI> doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or
> KI> Qmodem which can be configured like this?
> 
> 
> I posted a similar question re: Telix and Kermit in another news group. I 
> heard nothing so I'll try here. I seem to only be able to set packet 
> lengths to 99 in Telix. Also slooww CPS rate. Any ideas on how to 
> circumvent this?
> 
> Appreciate any advice.

Set Kermit up as an external protocol, and call on KERLITE.EXE [3.14] when
transferring files.

Examples a-plenty are given in the documentation that comes with
Kermit.  It's the only guarenteed way to get fast transfer rates
and a guarentee to be able to connect to all modern Kermits.

Get Kermit from ftp - kermit.columbia.edu under /kermit/bin/msv314.zip

--
Kenneth Udut                                          kudut@ritz.mordor.com
Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens

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From: Sven%OSLONETT@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Sven Andreassen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: How to make TCPIP32 & DIS_PKT9 coexist
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Dear all.

Have any of you gentlemen managed to make TCP/IP-32a and a 
Packet-driver exist in harmony at the same time??

I have managed to install both drivers on my computer, (thanks to
the ones in this conference who helped me out), and the drivers
actually works pretty well.  My problem is that I can't have two
different programs up at the same time if one is using the packet-
driver and the other one is using the TCP/IP stack. (ex. 
Microsofts TELNET and MS-KERMIT 3.13).

Has any of you gentlemen dealed with this problem before?

Hope to hear from you.

Sven Andreassen
[sven@oslonett.no]

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From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura)
Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking
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jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

| In article <jzeroD35p9C.CAH@netcom.com>, Jim Nakamura <jzero@netcom.com> wrote:
| >
| >Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the
| >screen. Kermit (190) is leaking.  This problem does not show up
| >on other comm programs.


> Sorry, can you be a little more specific?

	My apologies.  I've been busy and haven't had
	much time to check my mail.
 
> Random characters at the current cursor position?

	Yes.  About a character or two every half minute.
 
> Random characters at some other position?

	No.
 
> Is it reproducible?  Do these random characters occur often enough that 
> you could capture them in a session log which could be sent to me?

	Seems to happen only while in my newsreader "nn".

> Could you please define "leaking"?

	"O{pPd^Dd" - these characters (one at a time appearing at
	random intervals at the cursor screen).
 
> Are you using hardware flow control?

	Yes.


-- 
jzero@netcom.com

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From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols)
Subject: Re: MSKermit Login Problem
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Mr. Calvin Rome (dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil) wrote:
: I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform
: running SUNOS 4.1.

I'm having no trouble with Netcom's SUNOS, with this in my script
input 5 ogin:
if success output helios\13

Maybe you should show us your script (with any passwords deleted)

-- 
David Nichols  <helios@netcom.com>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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From: dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil (Mr. Calvin Rome)
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I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform
running SUNOS 4.1.

Here is the situation:

I am currently using MSKermit v3.14 dated 18 Jan 95, patch level 3.
I had been using MSKermit v3.13 to login to a UNIX platform running
SCO and to the NOW troubled SUN connection without any problems. In
the meantime I began using the MSKermit betas as they were being
released and making minor modifications in the *.ini files.  The Sys
Admin on the Sun box made some changes in the login scripts which
broke the ability of MSKermit to login.  I went back to my original
MSK v3.13 program and tried (I had left everything intact during beta
testing) and it would not login either.  HOWEVER, I have also been
using both Procomm Plus for DOS and Procomm Plus for Win, both of
which login to the SUN box with no problems.  My userid is dtd-lo3.
When attempting to login with MSK this is what appears at the login:

   login: t-lo3      then it locks up

Just to see what happens I used Caps and this was the result:

   login: DD-3       then it locks up

With Procomm I get normal results and am then prompted for the
password:

   login: dtd-lo3
   Password:

My Sys Admin's solution is to use Procomm!  But I like MSK much better
for connecting to the UNIX boxes and then on to Internet.  Any
suggestions?

**********************************************************************
Calvin Rome, GS-11     | SOF Language Office
Computer Specialist    | US Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center
dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil | and School
***********************************************************************


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Subject: kermit for DG AOS???
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Does anyone know of a version of kermit that runs on a Data General 
MV7800XP AOS operating system?

Lauren Kauffman


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From: dee@wldelft.nl (Dick Dee)
Subject: Kermit and PCMCIA
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I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or
MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message
"unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications
programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on?

Dick Dee
dee@wldelft.nl

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers?
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In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes:
> 
> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14.
> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send).
> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in
> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix.
> 
> I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem
> transfers.
> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers?
> 
> If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc.
---------
	No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We
think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as
fast as the others and much better in many respects.
	Joe D.

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You can set up Kermit to run PDZ or DSZ (the former Public Domain and the 
latter Shareware).  They do ZModem transfer.

If you would like info. on how to use or get PDZ, send me E-Mail.  

David G. Risner
dgrisner@crl.com

ps:  That's what I am using for connecting to my Unix shell account.


Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
: In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes:
: > 
: > I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14.
: > On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send).
: > On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in
: > the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix.
: > 
: > I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem
: > transfers.
: > Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers?
: > 
: > If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc.
: ---------
: 	No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We
: think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as
: fast as the others and much better in many respects.
: 	Joe D.

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In article <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs>, dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil (Mr. Calvin Rome) writes:
> I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform
> running SUNOS 4.1.
> 
> Here is the situation:
> 
> I am currently using MSKermit v3.14 dated 18 Jan 95, patch level 3.
> I had been using MSKermit v3.13 to login to a UNIX platform running
> SCO and to the NOW troubled SUN connection without any problems. In
> the meantime I began using the MSKermit betas as they were being
> released and making minor modifications in the *.ini files.  The Sys
> Admin on the Sun box made some changes in the login scripts which
> broke the ability of MSKermit to login.  I went back to my original
> MSK v3.13 program and tried (I had left everything intact during beta
> testing) and it would not login either.  HOWEVER, I have also been
> using both Procomm Plus for DOS and Procomm Plus for Win, both of
> which login to the SUN box with no problems.  My userid is dtd-lo3.
> When attempting to login with MSK this is what appears at the login:
> 
>    login: t-lo3      then it locks up
> 
> Just to see what happens I used Caps and this was the result:
> 
>    login: DD-3       then it locks up
> 
> With Procomm I get normal results and am then prompted for the
> password:
> 
>    login: dtd-lo3
>    Password:
> 
> My Sys Admin's solution is to use Procomm!  But I like MSK much better
> for connecting to the UNIX boxes and then on to Internet.  Any
> suggestions?
> 
> **********************************************************************
> Calvin Rome, GS-11     | SOF Language Office
> Computer Specialist    | US Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center
> dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil | and School
> ***********************************************************************
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	SET TCP DEBUG ON to see Telnet Options negotiations blow by blow.
The above has the indications of an Option your host wants but is not
supported by MSK. LOG SESSION if you want us to have a look at it too
(or give me a host name to try from my place).
	Another, related, thought it your host may require LF as a terminator
rather than CR during the login process. Try ending lines in Control-J to
see.
	Last thought is your host may not understand terminal type VT320
and it keeps asking for something different. This will show in the Options
negotiations chatter. SET TCP TERM-TYPE is the way to say one thing and
be another.
	Joe D.

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I am using ckermit for linux as an external protocol in minicom (the linux comm program). Everytime I transfer a file or group of files the files turn out fine but it drops carrier after completion. This is very annoying and if anyone knows a solution to this problem please email me at awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu or post an answer here.  Thnx.

A. Webb


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Since my last message didn't come out...I have to repost.
I run kermit externally through minicom (a comm program for
linux). Everytime after a transfer it hangs up. If anyone
knows how to fix this either email me at
awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu or post it here. Thnx.


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Hi,

I'm asking in advance of buying the Kermit manual and proceeding with a solution:

Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS box
may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a modem
to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete?

Where the file transfer may occur without interupting the forground use of the
DOS console??

If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH.  I need to provide a remote unattended
file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution.

Thanks..

 


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: kermit for DG AOS???
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In article <kauf0019.791493785@gold.tc.umn.edu>,
Lauren P Kauffman <kauf0019@gold.tc.umn.edu> wrote:
>Does anyone know of a version of kermit that runs on a Data General 
>MV7800XP AOS operating system?
>
Yes, C-Kermit 5A(190).

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f,
file ckd190.uue.  This is a UUencoded AOS DUMPFILE.  UUdecode it
if you can ("uudecode" is not a standard part of AOS/VS, but there
is an AOS/VS uudecode program included in the Kermit distribution
as kermit/f/ckdeco.c).

Get the resulting ckdker.pr file to your AOS/VS system and "undump"
it; this gives you the AOS/VS kermit.pr executable plus all the
various supporting files: ckermit.ini, ckcker.upd, etc etc.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <D39oIw.MGM@wldelft.nl>, Dick Dee <dee@wldelft.nl> wrote:
>I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or
>MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message
>"unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications
>programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on?
>
The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14.  Assuming you have
version 3.13 or 3.14, please consult the KERMIT.BWR file that comes
with it.  There is a section called:

  TROUBLESHOOTING MS-DOS KERMIT SERIAL PORT AND MODEM PROBLEMS

which contains all the information you need to get this working.

- Frank

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In article <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com>, Paul Smith <cgi@crl.com> wrote:
>Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS
>box may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a
>modem to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete?
>
No, MS-DOS Kermit does not have a "simple TSR" mode.  If you want to transfer
files with Kermit on your PC and at the same use your PC for other things,
then you need a multitasking environment (or what passes for one) like
OS/2, Windows, NT, DesqView, etc.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MSKermit Login Problem
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In article <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs>,
Mr. Calvin Rome <dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil> wrote:
>I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform
>running SUNOS 4.1.
>
(Long description omitted...)

Forget about script programming for a moment.  Can you log in
BY HAND?  If not, given evidence like the following:

> login: t-lo3      then it locks up
> login: DD-3       then it locks up
> login: dtd-lo3
>
I would say that your host had suddenly been programmed to require
a certain type of parity for incoming characters, most likely "even".
Try telling MS-DOS Kermit to:

  set parity even

(or "odd", "mark", or "space" if "even" doesn't do it) and most likely
it will work.

By the way, this is one of the most fundamental problems we encounter
in data communications, and you could not have missed it if you had
read the manual.

- Frank

P.S. There is no earthly reason why a host should *require* parity on
incoming characters, so another approach would be to ask the system
administrators to put it back the way it was before.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM
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In article <1995Jan30.175822.84185@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>,
WEBB ADAM W <awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> wrote:
>I am using ckermit for linux as an external protocol in minicom (the
>linux comm program). Everytime I transfer a file or group of files the
>files turn out fine but it drops carrier after completion. This is very
>annoying...
>
Quoting from section 11.1 of the ckuker.bwr file that comes with C-Kermit
5A(190), "C-Kermit as an External Protocol", which applies to "pmcomm" but
probably is also relevant to this question (I'd appreciate feedback on
this so I can update the documentation):

"pcomm" is a general-purpose terminal program that provides file transfer
capabilities itself (X- and YMODEM variations) and the ability to call on
external programs to do file transfers (ZMODEM and Kermit, for example).
You can tell pcomm the command to send or receive a file with an external
protocol:
			send				receive
	ZMODEM		sz <filename>			rz
	Kermit		kermit -s <filename>		kermit -r

pcomm runs external programs for file transfer by making stdin and stdout
point to the modem port, and then exec-ing "/bin/sh -c xxx" (where xxx is
the appropriate command).  However, C-Kermit does not treat stdin and
stdout as the communication device unless you instruct it:

			send				receive
	Kermit		kermit -l 0 -s <filename>	kermit -l 0 -r

The "-l 0" option means to use file descriptor 0 for the communication device.

In general, any program can pass any open file descriptor to C-Kermit for the
communication device in the "-l" command-line option.

(End quote)

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I have a user with a CompuAdd 325TFX notebook computer.  It is running DOS 5,
Windows 3.1 and has PhoenixBIOS A386 Version 1.01.

I am trying to install MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on it for dial-in use.  I have
encountered a strange problem while trying to get the keyboard mappings correct
however and am looking for enlightenment from the net.

I want the arrow keys to function as arrow keys, \Kuparr, \Kdnarr, etc. but they
don't always.  I am using the VT320 emulation.  The initialization file maps
many of the other "typical" VT keys.

Kermit senses the notebook as having an 88-key keyboard.  If I do a SHOW KEY
on the up arrow key as the first command, it will report the following:

	scan code \328
	Verb: KP8 \KKP8

If I then do another SHOW KEY immediately afterwards, doing nothing else
in-between, I get the following:

	scan code \4424
	Verb: uparr \Kuparr

Similar things will happen if I show the key definition for down arrow, left or
right.  This happens even if I put the proper SET KEY commands in the
initialization file.  It seems that kermit ignores them until I do a SHOW KEY.
This is causing problems since once our users connect, they need the use of the
arrow keys.  I finally just mapped ALT- some other keys to the arrow functions
but I really would like to solve the arrow key problems.

The keyboard on the notebook is, naturally, smaller.  But, it has 12 function
keys and does have the 6 keys: Insert, Delete, Home, End, Page Up and Page Down.

The other really weird thing is if I use the DOS commands TYPE file|MORE or EDIT
file before I run kermit, kermit thinks the keyboard is a 101-key keyboard and
then the arrow keys work fine!  But, the user of this notebook won't be doing
those commands so this isn't a real good solution for him...

If this is some standard PC-type keyboard thing, please forgive me.  I'm not a
pc person.

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Marlys A. Nelson			System Manager, Systems Programmer,
Academic Computing			Network Manager, etc., etc.
Univ. of WI - River Falls
Internet: Marlys.A.Nelson@uwrf.edu

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Hi,

I have the job of figuring out a solution for 40,000 DOS boxes, that all have
varying and unknow HW or SW (windows or not) configuration for:

1) remote file xfer, in and out and delete.

2) Support preferably a central Unix box to on-demand dial any of the remote
DOS boxes and send fetch files then hang-up.

3) prefably have a simple passwd on the DOS box to filter out teh un-wanted.

Solutions could be:

a) TSR based SLIP+ ftpd

b) TSR based kermit in server mode.  This one sounds the most plausable given
a need for a small RAM foot print...  

The kermit folks have any ideas?

c) Any of the old LAN manager stuff help here as a TSR remote tool?

Thanks..



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From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura)
Subject: Re: Can't connect at 28.8 :(
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

| In article Jim Nakamura <jzero@netcom.com> wrote:

| >Whenever I connect to internet service provider, I get the message
| >
| >	CONNECT 14400/V32/NONE
| >	Can't change speed to 14400

| As explained in the manual (just type "help" at the C-Kermit prompt
| to find out more about the manual), there are numerous ways in which
| you have to get the software (Kermit in this case) and the modem to
| agree.  Perhaps chief among them is the treatment of the interface speed.

| Modems can be configured to make their interface speed follow the
| connection speed, or to keep their interface speed fixed no matter what
| the connection speed turns out to be.

| Modern high-speed, error-correcting, data-compressing modems should
| generally be configured in the latter way: with interface speed fixed,
| or locked.

| You have set your modem this way (&B1), but you did not set Kermit this
| way, so Kermit tried to change its interface speed to 14400 when it got
| the "CONNECT 14400" message from the modem.  Luckily, it could not do
| this, since evidently 14400 is not a supported speed on your computer.

| The trick is to tell Kermit to use the highest reliable interface speed it
| and your computer and your modem all have in common, and to use RTS/CTS
| "hardware" flow control if available, and then before dialing, tell Kermit
| to "set dial speed-matching off".  See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for
| a longer explanation.

	Frank, many thanks.

	The error message went away after I followed your suggestion.
	I also took this opportunity to read pp. 60-61 of your fine
	manual which spends most of its time just sitting on my 
	bookshelf (like all my books (-; ).  

	By the way, any particular reason you renamed the binary
	to wermit?

	Also, whenever I invoke wermit, I get the message "Executing
	SAMPLE C-Kermit customization file /home/jzero/.mykermrc".
	Then "Please edit this file to reflect your needs and
	preferences."  Then *nothing*.

	If I hit Ctrl-C, kermit springs into action and I then
	get the C-Kermit prompt.

	Do you know what's going on?
-- 
jzero@netcom.com

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From: Boyd Fjeldsted <bebrblf@business.utah.edu>
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After using Kermit to telnet to a remote host, is it possible to
download files from the remote host by means of the host's file 
download menu? If so, what Kermit settings are required? If not,
is there any other way of downloading files from the remote host
(which does not provide FTP services)?  An example of such a host
is cenbbs.census.gov -- which which was set up as a bbs server, but
now also provides telnet services on port 23.


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <ALdBlmjXlSu5076yn@OSLONETT>, Sven@OSLONETT (Sven Andreassen) writes:
> Dear all.
> 
> Have any of you gentlemen managed to make TCP/IP-32a and a 
> Packet-driver exist in harmony at the same time??
> 
> I have managed to install both drivers on my computer, (thanks to
> the ones in this conference who helped me out), and the drivers
> actually works pretty well.  My problem is that I can't have two
> different programs up at the same time if one is using the packet-
> driver and the other one is using the TCP/IP stack. (ex. 
> Microsofts TELNET and MS-KERMIT 3.13).
> 
> Has any of you gentlemen dealed with this problem before?
> 
> Hope to hear from you.
> 
> Sven Andreassen
> [sven@oslonett.no]
-------
	It's not the method of reaching the board so much as having
two or more protocol stacks of the same kind operating at once. Packets
are delivered once, and hopefully (randomly...) to the right stack else
trouble. We have repeatedly stressed in the Kermit documentation to use
only one stack of a given kind over a board, with Kermit or any program.
If you wish to try the multiplexers then it is at your risk and we can't 
lend a hand.
	Finally, I presume that "TCP/IP-32a" means Microsoft's stack,
right? If so that is for Windows programs, not for DOS level programs.
        Joe D.

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From: tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma)
Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers?
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jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes:
>> 
>> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14.
>> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send).
>> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in
>> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix.
>> 
>> I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem
>> transfers.
>> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers?
>> 
>> If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc.
>---------
>	No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We
>think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as
>fast as the others and much better in many respects.

In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ?
Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ?
(I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else)

Any benchmarks ?

Thanks,

Thanh Ma
tma@encore.com

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After obtaining the:

   > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995

msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the
msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up
message generated when MSKermit is initialized:

   > IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995
   > Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1995.

   > Type ? or HELP for help

   > Executing D:\COMM\KRMT\MSKERMIT.INI...
   > Installing patches...
   >  MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0
   > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File...
   > Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, D:\COMM\KRMT\MSCUSTOM.INI...
   > Please edit this file to suit your needs and preferences.

   > Auto-upload and -download disabled.
   > Use SET TERMINAL APC ON to enable.

   > Setting DOS Terminal modes
   > Smile!
   > CDL-AST>

still indicated "patch level 0".

Is the "patch level 0" an indication of the patch level of the base

   kermit.exe

file I am running, or should it be an indication of the patch level 
following the installation of the patches contained in msr314.pch? I
notice that if I use the:

   ver<CR>

command, I still see "patch level 0", rather than "patch level 3" which
I would expect.

I realize that the kermit.exe file on disk will not change, but I would
expect that after patches are installed, the version of kermit in memory
would reflect the installed patches. Am I doing something wrong?

Just curious ...
TIA for any light that can be shed on this subject.

-- 
cdl [ac388@lafn.org] ...

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers?
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In article <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com>, cgi@crl.com (Paul Smith) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm asking in advance of buying the Kermit manual and proceeding with a solution:
> 
> Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS box
> may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a modem
> to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete?
> 
> Where the file transfer may occur without interupting the forground use of the
> DOS console??
> 
> If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH.  I need to provide a remote unattended
> file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution.
-------------------
	Let's look at this case. Basically you want MSK to become a TSR Kermit
file server. Of course, it's not designed that way now; file server yes,
TSR no. Doing file i/o as a TSR has a substantial collection of technical
problems because DOS itself is not reentrant and provides no multitasking
capabilities. Experiences with DOS' PRINT TSR should be enough to persuade
folks that these background transfer guys can be bad news. In addition,
a program even the size of Kermit-Lite use substantial amounts of 
conventional memory, making multiple tasking awkward for the user.
	There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them.
The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a
familiar and managable form.
	We could make a Kermit-Lite which went TSR and tried to cope with
the horrid problems of doing DOS i/o from interrupt level. It's not easy
so this would have to become a fully funded project rather than a to-do
item on our wish list. If you are still interested then I suggest you contact
Frank da Cruz and myself and we can discuss the technical and financial
details off-line: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu.
	Joe D.

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OK, I got a few requests for this so:

PDZMODEM can be found at:

ftp://vinny.csd.mu.edu/pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem/pdzmodem.zip

i.e.,

Anonymous ftp site: vinny.csd.mu.edu
Directory: /pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem
Filename: pdzmodem.zip


I run the program by adding the following two lines to my MSCUSTOM.INI file:

define rz cd \telecom\download,run d:\telecom\pdz\zm rz -c4
set key \315 rz

This starts a ZModem recieve when I hit the F1 key.

the d:\telecom\pdz is the directory where I have PDZMODEM.

The -c4 means use com port 4.

The cd \telecom\download causes the file received to be put in my 
download directory.

If you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me.

And to repeat, the PDZMODEM is public domain.

David G. Risner
dgrisner@crl.com
Anaheim, CA

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From: barrett@scr.slb.com (Mike Barrett)
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Hi.
Is there a version of Kermit that runs under Windows? I am looking for good 
file transfer and if possible Tek graphics. If there is one can someone either 
give me the file name (so I can search for it with Archie) or tell me where to 
get it.

Thanks
Mike Barrett
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In article <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu>,
Boyd Fjeldsted  <bebrblf@business.utah.edu> wrote:
>After using Kermit to telnet to a remote host, is it possible to
>download files from the remote host by means of the host's file 
>download menu?
>
If the remote host (service, BBS, etc) includes Kermit file transfer
capability, then: in theory, yes.  In practice, it depends on its
Kermit implementation.  Most BBS's either lack Kermit file transfer
capability, or offer a nonfunctional or barely-functional one.

>If so, what Kermit settings are required?
>
Try "set parity space".

>An example of such a host
>is cenbbs.census.gov -- which which was set up as a bbs server, but
>now also provides telnet services on port 23.
>
Such services are becoming increasingly common.  Users of such
services are encouraged to contact the administrators and urge them
to install real Kermit software to execute the Kermit protocol.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows?
Date: 2 Feb 1995 14:02:19 GMT
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In article <barrett.79.0430D6AB@scr.slb.com>,
Mike Barrett <barrett@scr.slb.com> wrote:
>Is there a version of Kermit that runs under Windows? I am looking for
>good file transfer and if possible Tek graphics. If there is one can
>someone either give me the file name (so I can search for it with Archie)
>or tell me where to get it.
>
A Frequently Asked Question, and one which is answered in our FAQ.

The answer is Yes.

It is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.  It runs under Windows, in either full-screen
mode or in a Window, it has good file transfer, and it does Tek graphics.

  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
  directory kermit/archives,
  binary mode,
  file msvibm.zip.

If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you
want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of
your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other
file you might have modified.

Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to
preserve the directory structure.  Then read the top-level READ.ME
file for further instructions.

- Frank

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Mike Barrett (barrett@scr.slb.com) wrote:
: Hi.
: Is there a version of Kermit that runs under Windows? I am looking for good 
: file transfer and if possible Tek graphics. If there is one can someone either 
: give me the file name (so I can search for it with Archie) or tell me where to 
: get it.

The standard distribution of MS-Kermit includes a PIF file to run under 
Windows, but it runs very slowly.  You can speed it up by running in a 
full-screen DOS window with text-only display instead of graphics, but my 
486/66 system can't quite keep up with compressed text at 14.4 kbps.  The 
text-only display probably won't do Tek graphics, though I haven't tried 
that.  Also, the first time through my MSCUSTOM.INI file, the system 
can't find COM4, but a manual TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI works.  I suppose this is 
a timing problem in Windows.
-- 
David Nichols  <helios@netcom.com>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers?
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In article <D3CrCn.A9u@encore.com>, tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) writes:
> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> 
>>In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes:
>>> 
>>> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14.
>>> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send).
>>> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in
>>> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix.
>>> 
>>> I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem
>>> transfers.
>>> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers?
>>> 
>>> If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc.
>>---------
>>	No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We
>>think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as
>>fast as the others and much better in many respects.
> 
> In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ?
> Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ?
> (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else)
> 
> Any benchmarks ?
---------------
	Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection?
If not please do.
	Btw, Columbia Kermits are not shareware.
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <jzeroD39xyr.Hxv@netcom.com>, Jim Nakamura <jzero@netcom.com> wrote:
>By the way, any particular reason you renamed the binary to wermit?
>
Just so it does not have the same name as "kermit".  That way when
build a new binary, it does not automatically overwrite a previous
one, provided you had renamed the previous one to "kermit".

>Also, whenever I invoke wermit, I get the message "Executing SAMPLE
>C-Kermit customization file /home/jzero/.mykermrc".  Then "Please edit
>this file to reflect your needs and preferences."  Then *nothing*.  If I
>hit Ctrl-C, kermit springs into action and I then get the C-Kermit prompt.
>
Please send me your .mykermrc file, and let me know exactly how you
are invoking Kermit, and also remind me exactly which kind of UNIX
this is on, which version, etc.

- Frank

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From: kan@blues.epas.utoronto.ca (Raymond Kan)
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Subject: Kermit for OS/2 problem with 28.8
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Hi,

	I am using CKermit 5A(190) for OS/2 with a Sportster internal
fax/modem.  However, every time that I try to set the speed to 115200,
the program would say can not set speed and falls back to 1200!  However,
I can set the speed to 57600 but then I can never connect at full speed
of the modem.

	Does anyone know how to get rid of this problem or does OS/2
kermit actually support 28,800 modem.  Thank you for all the help.

	BTW, does anyone know which ftp site can we get m2zmodem?


Raymond Kan
U of Toronto


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <3gr574$h6r@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca>,
Raymond Kan <kan@blues.epas.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>	I am using CKermit 5A(190) for OS/2 with a Sportster internal
>fax/modem.  However, every time that I try to set the speed to 115200,
>the program would say can not set speed and falls back to 1200!  However,
>I can set the speed to 57600 but then I can never connect at full speed
>of the modem.

>	Does anyone know how to get rid of this problem or does OS/2
>kermit actually support 28,800 modem.  Thank you for all the help.

I use CK 5A(190) at 115200 every day.  So thoughts are that it is either a
problem with your modem, or the com drivers you are using.  Can you talk
to the modem at 115200 with other packages?

What version of OS/2 are you using?

What Comm drivers are you using?

>	BTW, does anyone know which ftp site can we get m2zmodem?

I recommend P over m2zmodem.  p205.zip is available from ftp.cdrom.com.
P is free whereas m2zmodem costs money.

P also works over networks whereas m2zmodem does not.


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip 

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [ help ] how to set the parameters for terminal Tek4010 ?
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In article <3gkfv4$4bv@kyu-cs.csce.kyushu-u.ac.jp>, MoYun <MoYun@apex.chem-eng.kyushu-u.ac.jp> writes:
> In article <H79055A.95Jan27163932@kyu-cc.cc.kyushu-u.ac.jp> h79055a@kyu-cc.c
> c.kyushu-u.ac.jp wrote at Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:39:32 GMT:
> 
>> Hi:
>> 
>>    I tried to use Tek4010 mode to draw graphs, but the graphs could not be
>> drawn completely on the display. About four small windows appearred on the 
>> display and in each window, only three or four lines were displayed. 
>> I tried to switch off the small windows to a large window but failed.
>> 
>>    How can I set the terminal parameters which let the graphs written in
>> Tek4010 be shown completely in Kermit?
>> 
> 
> 
> However, after starting the Ms-windows, the tek4010 terminal can draw 
> graphs normally. Therefore, some graphic initializing are needed.
> What kinds of process should be done before the MS-kermit is set up?
> 
> Many 286 machines are still used in our lab, so a special treatmet 
> similar to Ms-windows should be done. 
-----------------
	This appears to be possibly a machine configuration problem, not
a Kermit one. One must be sure to protect video memory, segments A000-BFFF,
so that nothing else uses that space. The display adapter must be able
to do graphics work in using standard EGA, Herc mono, CGA modes as a default, 
or if you choose VGA or VESA then those higher resolution modes too. There
is no special preparation needed outside of Kermit other than rational
machine setup for normal use. 
	To help further we need more information, such as the machine
configuration and a sample LOG SESSION file (uuencoded for Mailing) to 
play back locally. 
	Joe D.

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In article <D39oIw.MGM@wldelft.nl>, dee@wldelft.nl (Dick Dee) writes:
> I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or
> MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message
> "unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications
> programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on?
-------------
	No, we don't. PCMCIA seems to be a very loose spec so the matchup
between hardware and drivers is very questionable at best. If the modem and 
driver don't behave as a real UART to clients such as Kermit then it's not
behaving properly. There is nothing much I can do about it, lacking that
particular PCMCIA card, the laptop in which it is inserted, and the drivers 
for it. Kermit does work fine on at least one IBM Thinkpad because I setup
that machine for a colleague. However, I have no laptop myself so please
don't ask me questions about PCMCIA and its drivers.
	Joe D.

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Subject: Re: [ help ] how to set the parameters for terminal Tek4010 ?
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In article <H79055A.95Jan27163932@kyu-cc.cc.kyushu-u.ac.jp> h79055a@kyu-cc.c
c.kyushu-u.ac.jp wrote at Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:39:32 GMT:

> Hi:
> 
>    I tried to use Tek4010 mode to draw graphs, but the graphs could not be
> drawn completely on the display. About four small windows appearred on the 
> display and in each window, only three or four lines were displayed. 
> I tried to switch off the small windows to a large window but failed.
> 
>    How can I set the terminal parameters which let the graphs written in
> Tek4010 be shown completely in Kermit?
> 


However, after starting the Ms-windows, the tek4010 terminal can draw 
graphs normally. Therefore, some graphic initializing are needed.
What kinds of process should be done before the MS-kermit is set up?

Many 286 machines are still used in our lab, so a special treatmet 
similar to Ms-windows should be done. 

Thank you in advance.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Tel. 092-641-1101(Ex.5579) |~~~~~~~~~~~ 
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From: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain          )
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Subject: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8?
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	Hello everyone!  I just got a PPI v.34 28.8 modem but when I try to
use Kermit to connect to our school vax I get disconnected right after it
says carrier 28.8  Does anyone know what the problem might be?  Thanks!

McClain Watson
JW2998@conrad.appstate.edu


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In article <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org>,
Charles Lease <ac388@lafn.org> wrote:
>
>After obtaining the:
>   > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995
>msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the
>msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up
>message generated when MSKermit is initialized:
>   > Installing patches...
>   >  MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0
>
The following has been added to our FAQ, since it seems to keep
coming up:

Since the release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, there have been persistent reports
that patches don't seem to "stick".  That is, after giving a PATCH command,
the patch level is still reported as 0.  This can happen if the patch file is
transferred to the PC from a UNIX system in binary mode, so the lines end
with LF rather than CRLF -- DOS does not recognize the line boundaries and
therefore Kermit does not see valid patches.  Cure: make sure each line ends
with CRLF.  Fix it in an editor, or re-transfer the file in text mode.

Also, remember there is no longer a need to rename the patch file to
MSKERMIT.PCH.  Since there are now three different Kermit executables, there
must be three corresponding patch files.  For version 3.14, these are:

  MSR314.PCH  -- For full-featured KERMIT.EXE
  MSRM314.PCH -- For "medium-size" KERMITE.EXE
  MSRL314.PCH -- For "Kermit Lite" KERLITE.EXE

Notice that each patch file includes the version number as part of its
name.  This allows you to run different versions of Kermit without confusion
about patching.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8?
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In article <3gmdvi$hqh@lester.appstate.edu>,
Watson, John McClain <JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU> wrote:
>Hello everyone!  I just got a PPI v.34 28.8 modem but when I try to
>use Kermit to connect to our school vax I get disconnected right after it
>says carrier 28.8  Does anyone know what the problem might be?  Thanks!
>
What version of MS-DOS Kermit?  Are you dialing manually or using a
dialing script?  Which dialing script?

Note that we do not have a dialing script for the PPI V.34 modem, but
we do have one for the PPI V.32bis model.  The changes (if any are needed)
should be straightforward.  If anybody wants to send me a copy of the
PPI V.34 command reference, I'll be glad to do any necessary adaptation.

The same goes for all the other modem brands that recently came out with
V.34 models, or, for that matter, any modem brands at all.  The more manuals
we have, the better support we can give.

To attempt to answer the question:  If you can use Kermit to dial the modem,
but the modem does not make a successful connection, this is usually
explained by the modem's configuration as to modulation, error correction,
data compression, and the fallback procedures for each.  In general, you
want to configure your modem to start at the type and work its way down,
so you get the best possible type of connection with the answering modem.

It sounds like your modem is configured to refuse to connect if it does not
negotiate a particular modulation or protocol.  Or the same could be true
of the modem on the answering end.  Many other explanations are possible too.

- Frank

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dee@wldelft.nl (Dick Dee) writes:

>I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or
>MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message
>"unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications
>programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on?

>Dick Dee
>dee@wldelft.nl

I'm using an a TDK PCMCIA modem in a ZEOS colornote and I don't have any 
trouble with it.  If you've got the full distribution, you should have a 
KERMIT.BWR file that outlines known bugs and workarounds.
-- 
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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This sounds more like the version of Kermit being used does not know
how to parse the CONNECT 28800 message.



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From: 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco)
Subject: CMS Kermit
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         Are there any hardware or software limitations that would
cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set
at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14
 
-Curtiss

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3grodl$pkr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>Watson, John McClain <JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU> wrote:
>>Hello everyone!  I just got a PPI v.34 28.8 modem but when I try to
>>use Kermit to connect to our school vax I get disconnected right after it
>>says carrier 28.8  Does anyone know what the problem might be?  Thanks!
>
>This sounds more like the version of Kermit being used does not know
>how to parse the CONNECT 28800 message.
>
CARRIER <number> is a "call progress" message, not a call completion
message.  MS-DOS Kermit scripts such as PP14400.SCR ignore them (but
print them on the screen so the user can see what's going on).  They do
no harm at all, and in fact Kermit enables them on purpose (ATW1).

The call completion message would be CONNECT <number>.  The high-speed
MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts look for "CONNECT" and ignore the <number>,
thus keeping the interface speed fixed.

And by the way, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (the current version, released just
a couple weeks ago) supports 28800 as an interface speed, even though it
should rarely be necessary to use it (remember: when using high-speed,
error-correcting, data-compressing modems, your interface speed should
be higher than the connection speed to allow compression to do its stuff).

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu>,
Curtiss Cicco <1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> wrote:
>Are there any hardware or software limitations that would
>cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set
>at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14
> 
Yes.

The packet length is determined as follows:

 1. The file receiver tells the file sender the longest packet it
    is prepared to receive.  There is a default, and then there is
    a command to let the user change the default.  The default is
    normally 94, and the command is normally "set receive
    packet-length".

 2. The file sender has a maximum size that it can send.  The size
    that is actually used by the sender is the smaller of its own
    maximum and the declared maximum of the receiver.

In the case of IBM mainframe Kermit, the maximum length it can send
generally depends on the communication method.  If it is going through
a 3270 protocol converter such as a Series/1 or 7171, the maximum length
packet is somewhere around the 3270 screen size, e.g. 24 x 80 = 1920,
give or take a few bytes.  This is a limitation of the 3270 emulation
box and/or software, and has nothing to do with Kermit.
    
- Frank

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I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14.
On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send).
On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in
the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix.

I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem
transfers.
Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers?

If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc.

Thanks,
--
/* Amir J. Katz         email:   winter@datasrv.co.il               */
/* 4th Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, ISRAEL                   */

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Hi, everyone

Is there any kermit script lang manual available in internet.
I am learning kermit script lang through kermit comm. sofwtare
currently.  

Hope to hear from everone soon !
thank you.






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How can I access earlier articles of this news group?
Thanks. 

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In article <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu>, 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) writes:
>          Are there any hardware or software limitations that would
> cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set
> at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14
>  
> -Curtiss
---------
	Maximum packet size is a negotiated property, negotiated to the
largest common value. 1915 bytes is a magic limit on CMS Kermit, and it's
also more than adequate to overcome packet header overhead.
	Joe D.

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From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini)
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In article <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes:
>> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14.
>> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send).
>> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in
>> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix.
[...]
>> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers?
>	No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We
>think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as
>fast as the others and much better in many respects.

Although I don't see why one would want to use [XYZ]modem transfers
when both ends have a proper Kermit, it possible to have rzsz.exe
perform your file transfers for you.  Its been a long while since
I did such a thing, but I used to connect to a host that only supported
Zmodem transfers with an older version of MS-Kermit, so it is possible,
although I don't recall using anything so nice and packaged as the
"rz" macro of C-Kermit (what I did was more like: start remote
Zmodem transfer, suspend MS-Kermit, fire-up rzsz, resume MS-Kermit).

I don't run MS-DOS any more, so it would be painful for me to try and
figure out a good way to do this with MS-Kermit 3.14.

		--Ken Pizzini

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kudut@ritz.mordor.com <Ken>
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                                                            02.Feb.1995

> Select from the following transfer protocols:
> 
> T - TYPE file to your screen
> C - ASCII with DC2/DC4 Capture
> A - ASCII only, no Control Codes
> X - XMODEM
> O - XMODEM-1k
> Y - YMODEM (Batch)
> G - YMODEM-g (Batch)
> S - SEAlink
> K - KERMIT
> W - SuperKERMIT (Sliding Windows)
> Z - ZMODEM-90(Tm)
> 
> Choose one (Q to Quit):
> ---------
> 	That looks like a familiar list, doesn't it. So I tried W first
> and the protocol failed at the end. I then tried K and that failed at
> the end too. But the failures were in signaling no more files follow so
> the one transferred file looked ok. Neither dealt with long packets, despite
> the names. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 at my end, running across the Internet
> with no modems involved.

This list looks like the venerable TBBS, which is a pretty darned
sturdy BBS, and has one of the fastest internal Kermit transfers of
internal Kermits in BBS's.  (I give TBBS great credit for keeping
various transfer protocols like ASCII with DC2/DC4 capture, variant
with no control codes, two variants of Kermit, and a sharp version
of Zmodem which is also speedy).

But I agree - the Kermit-Lite would provide *much much* better performance
than their internal variaties.   The Kermit's internal to TBBS are,
unfortunately, single-file transfer protocols, which is why multiple
file transfers failed.  I'm surprised the TBBS authors haven't
upgraded, but perhaps they never got the "nudge".  Now that more TBBS'
are getting on the Internet, at least in small doses, the authors might
consider implimenting this.  I would suggest that TBBS users/sysops
mention this to the TBBS people.

When I start calling local BBS's again (if I do :-> ) I will start
attempting to get Kermit-Lite installed on their systems, if for no
other reason but for myself :-)  It's not difficult to bring a new
product into your local BBS community (I brought BlueWave down from
college, convinced local sysops that it was a good thing) - you just
have to be persistant and truly believe in the product that you're
promoting.
 
> 	I would suggest to the BBS sysops that they have a careful look
> at MS-DOS Kermit Lite, designed to be run as an external protocol on BBS'.
> It does "the whole thing."

Agreed :-)

> 	Moral of the story: Carry On Regardless.
> 	Joe D.

--
Kenneth Udut                                          kudut@ritz.mordor.com
Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Arrow key problems
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In article <1995Feb1.155717@taz>, mn01@taz.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
> I have a user with a CompuAdd 325TFX notebook computer.  It is running DOS 5,
> Windows 3.1 and has PhoenixBIOS A386 Version 1.01.
> 
> I am trying to install MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on it for dial-in use.  I have
> encountered a strange problem while trying to get the keyboard mappings correct
> however and am looking for enlightenment from the net.
> 
> I want the arrow keys to function as arrow keys, \Kuparr, \Kdnarr, etc. but they
> don't always.  I am using the VT320 emulation.  The initialization file maps
> many of the other "typical" VT keys.
> 
> Kermit senses the notebook as having an 88-key keyboard.  If I do a SHOW KEY
> on the up arrow key as the first command, it will report the following:
> 
> 	scan code \328
> 	Verb: KP8 \KKP8
> 
> If I then do another SHOW KEY immediately afterwards, doing nothing else
> in-between, I get the following:
> 
> 	scan code \4424
> 	Verb: uparr \Kuparr
> 
> Similar things will happen if I show the key definition for down arrow, left or
> right.  This happens even if I put the proper SET KEY commands in the
> initialization file.  It seems that kermit ignores them until I do a SHOW KEY.
> This is causing problems since once our users connect, they need the use of the
> arrow keys.  I finally just mapped ALT- some other keys to the arrow functions
> but I really would like to solve the arrow key problems.
> 
> The keyboard on the notebook is, naturally, smaller.  But, it has 12 function
> keys and does have the 6 keys: Insert, Delete, Home, End, Page Up and Page Down.
> 
> The other really weird thing is if I use the DOS commands TYPE file|MORE 
>or EDIT
> file before I run kermit, kermit thinks the keyboard is a 101-key keyboard and
> then the arrow keys work fine!  But, the user of this notebook won't be doing
> those commands so this isn't a real good solution for him...
----------------
	I'm sure it's not Kermit doing this to you but rather the Bios and
possible TSR helpers in the notebook trying to fake a conventional keyboard
from an unconventional one, and not doing very well at it. About all I can
suggest (until someone has better ideas, hint hint) is try again with the
very least number of drivers and TSRs going, then put them back one by one.
You can also try SET KEY OFF to use DOS rather than the BIOS, but some
key mappings won't come through that extra layer of software. At worst you
could in fact do that TYPE | MORE item on something tiny to fix the machine.
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Access of previous articles
Date: 3 Feb 1995 15:52:39 GMT
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In article <1995Jan31.215339@hal.hahnemann.edu>,
 <mcneal@hal.hahnemann.edu> wrote:
>How can I access earlier articles of this news group?
>
We haven't settled on a permanent archiving scheme yet, and we're not
sure that we ever will, since the amount of material will only keep
growing.  However, for the moment, and with no guarantee that it will
be there forever, or that it will not change location, or that it won't
be busted up into smaller pieces, etc, you can find the archive at:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/misc.txt

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Learning kermit script lang - kl.txt [1/1]
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In article <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg>,
Maverick Ong <kheesoon@technet.sg> wrote:
>Is there any kermit script lang manual available in internet.
>I am learning kermit script lang through kermit comm. sofwtare
>currently.  
>
Then you should read the appropriate manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit"
or "Using C-Kermit".  Entire chapters are devoted to teaching you
how to use the script programming language.  You can order these
books in Singapore by calling +65 220-3684.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: File Transfer Using Telnet Host Menu?
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In article <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu>, Boyd Fjeldsted <bebrblf@business.utah.edu> writes:
> After using Kermit to telnet to a remote host, is it possible to
> download files from the remote host by means of the host's file 
> download menu? If so, what Kermit settings are required? If not,
> is there any other way of downloading files from the remote host
> (which does not provide FTP services)?  An example of such a host
> is cenbbs.census.gov -- which which was set up as a bbs server, but
> now also provides telnet services on port 23.
----------------

	Looks rather like a run of the mill telco style BBS but hooked
to the Internet, sigh. Here is what their blurbs say on the matter:
--------
August 30, 1994

    A full internet connection with this BBS is not yet available.
    There will be a message in this area when the approriate hardware has
    been installed and tested.

    To download files from this BBS it is necessary to either call via modem
    or to access the files through the annonymous ftp, or the annonymous ftp
    sections of gopher or mosaic (graphical gopher).  For gopher or mosaic,
    the annonymous ftp line appears together with the BBS under "5. Access
    Our Other Information Services"  Directories similar to the BBS ones
    appear for ftp. For example the ftp /economy contains the same files as
    the BBS Directory containing Monthly Retail Trade, Monthly Wholesale
    Trade Sales & Inventories, and Monthly Manufacturers & Trade Inventories
-More-
--------

	But if we keep going, we see the following:
--------
Select from the following transfer protocols:

T - TYPE file to your screen
C - ASCII with DC2/DC4 Capture
A - ASCII only, no Control Codes
X - XMODEM
O - XMODEM-1k
Y - YMODEM (Batch)
G - YMODEM-g (Batch)
S - SEAlink
K - KERMIT
W - SuperKERMIT (Sliding Windows)
Z - ZMODEM-90(Tm)

Choose one (Q to Quit):
---------
	That looks like a familiar list, doesn't it. So I tried W first
and the protocol failed at the end. I then tried K and that failed at
the end too. But the failures were in signaling no more files follow so
the one transferred file looked ok. Neither dealt with long packets, despite
the names. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 at my end, running across the Internet
with no modems involved. 
	I would suggest to the BBS sysops that they have a careful look
at MS-DOS Kermit Lite, designed to be run as an external protocol on BBS'.
It does "the whole thing."
	Moral of the story: Carry On Regardless.
	Joe D.

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Note that the hardware limits on buffer size depend upon the type of
connection.  Kermit recognizes those limits, but imposes them only
when it comes time to do a transfer.  Thus, you can set the packet
size to any number you want, up to 9K, but Kermit-370 negotiates the
actual packet size according to its understanding of the hardware.  In
fact, its understanding is not complete, since it is possible to set
up a 7171 terminal type with a large screen size, but Kermit doesn't
know that and isn't equipped to tell when the screen buffer would be
bigger than 1920 anyhow.  In any case, 1920 is plenty big enough for
most purposes.
					John Chandler

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Kermit News #6, our printed-on-paper newsletter / journal, will be going
to press any day now.  Printing and mailing should take some weeks.  In
the meantime, if you would like to be added to the subscriber list (it's
free), please send your name and complete postal address to:

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If you received previous issues, you are already subscribed.  If you
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your old address and new address so we can update our mailing list.

To minimize work and expense at our end, please try to make your postal
address conform to standard formats.  For example, USA addresses should
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  City XX  nnnnn

where XX is the uppercase 2-letter abbreviation of your state or
territory, such as NY for New York, or GU for Guam, and nnnnn is your 5-
or 9-digit ZIP code (9-digit preferred, 5-digit required).  According to
this year's USPS ZIP code directory, there should be no comma between the
city and the state.

Addresses in Canada should end with:

  City XX  lnl nln
  CANADA

where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for
Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the
six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code.

Addresses in other countries should include the (English) country name
on the last line, and the postal code (if any) including country prefix
(if any) on the line preceding, e.g.

  D-33100 Paderborn
  GERMANY

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  NORWAY

  I-20090 Assago (MI)
  ITALY

  NL-1081 HV Amsterdam
  NETHERLANDS

  New Delhi  110 017
  INDIA

  Rechovot 76300
  ISRAEL

and so on.

- Frank

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From: Hans Rehfeld <100125.3631@CompuServe.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit and bad line conditions 1/2
Date: 3 Feb 1995 16:13:44 GMT
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" Sorry, I have to split it up in two entries, the editor can 
only accept 25 lines. I'm using CI$ !!!

We are using an IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit V 3.12 (client) and a VAX 
VMS Kermit
[C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92] OpenVMS VAX (server)
Performing a transmission to a receiving Kermit via Modem with 
bad line quality
results in the following error
Packet log of sending Kermit:
*****************************************************************
************************
Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M
Rpack:
<Crunched packet>
Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M
Rpack: ^A
<Timeout>
Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M
Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M
Spack: ^A6 GI'REHFELD(WOGAPIYU '^M
Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M
----------> the received packet obove is not an ACK to the login 
packet, but is an ACK .................
Please see entry "Kermit and bad line conditions 2/2" ( Sorry!!)

-- 
Hans Rehfeld

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From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
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Subject: tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit
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Sat 28-Jan-95: Two events made it necessary to revisit my collection
of MSKermit material. The introduction of the new MSKermit version
3.14 from the Columbia University in the City of New York, and the
decision of the Finnish computer centres to impose an 8-bit Unix
standard with upper ascii Finnish characters. I have consequently
released
 :
 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip
 tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit.
 :
The following material as been added.
 FINNCHAR.TXT  Info about 8-bit Finnish charset
 KERM8BIT.INI  VT102 for mskermit 3.14+ 8-bits
 FINNISH.CMD   Use 7-bit Finnish characters
 LATIN1.CMD    Use 8-bit international chars
 MIXED.CMD     Use new 8-bit Finnish characters
I have also updated the following scripts which were no longer up to
date with the MSKermit program upgrades.
 GETBIN.CMD    Automatic file transfer to PC
 GETTEXT.CMD   Automatic file transfer to PC
 PUTBIN.CMD    Automatic file transfer from PC
 PUTTEXT.CMD   Automatic file transfer from PC
If you need the actual MSKermit program, due to distribution
policies the place to go for it is kermit.columbia.edu. Look for
/kermit/archives/msvibm.zip.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: ts@uwasa.fi   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


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From: Hans Rehfeld <100125.3631@CompuServe.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit and bad line conditions 2/2
Date: 3 Feb 1995 16:18:25 GMT
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" This is the second half of the message " Kermit and bad line 
conditions "

----------> the received packet obove is not an ACK to the login 
packet, but is an ACK
to the previously sent Init packet)
Nevertheless the Kermit sends out the Send  packet
Spack: ^A0 S~* @-#Y1~F'"*^^M
Rpack: ^A; EKUA-W-104, Login failure4^M
Spack: ^A$ GL:^M
Rpack: ^A# Y>^M

The login failure is forced by receiving Kermit, because the 
login packet was not received
by the receivers side
The Remote login packet is supported by both Kermits, the login 
Username and password is
correct
Behaviour of sending Kermit is not correct

Please is there any solution or explanation of this ??

And, once again, sorry for any inconvenience for splitting up in 
two messages, but it is very hard to type in all the control 
characters and other stuff with the keybord. 

-- 
Hans Rehfeld

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From: ffisher@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Fisher)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Can't Kermit on new installation
Date: 2 Feb 1995 05:32:22 -0700
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Problem:  nCan't transfer binary files via Kermit ...yet I have no
trouble with ASCII transfers. Conditions: I call a new HP-UX from
my home dos-based pc. The modem is a Sportster v.34 at modem speeds
from 2400 thru 28800, set at N-8-1. Whether I start Kermit on the
new HP or telneted to the NYX freenet computer, the session stops
quickly after 12 'bad checksums.' 

One version of kermit is C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX
and the version on NYX is, I think, the current version. Either way
it is 12 bad checksums then halt. ASCII files transfer in the expected
way. Kermit is started with the -i switch for binary transfers. I use
the command 'send xxxyyy.exe' to initiate the process. H

My suspicion is that there is either some kind of v.34 compatibility
issue or a config thing at the input of the HP. But I don't know...

Thanks....Francis Fisher


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From: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us
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Subject: OS/2 C-Kermit & DigiBoard?
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One of my colleagues will shortly be attempting to get C-Kermit 5A(190)
for OS/2 running on an 8 port DigiBoard unit. I have been told that there
are two models in use, "MCXI" and "ESAXEM". The driver is called
something like "XSOL.SYS".

Is there anything that I'll need to do to get this to work? Thanks! Ron.


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit & DigiBoard?
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In article <3gv47s$1nc@news1.mcs.com>,  <heiby@falkor.chi.il.us> wrote:
>One of my colleagues will shortly be attempting to get C-Kermit 5A(190)
>for OS/2 running on an 8 port DigiBoard unit. I have been told that there
>are two models in use, "MCXI" and "ESAXEM". The driver is called
>something like "XSOL.SYS".
>

XALL.SYS

>Is there anything that I'll need to do to get this to work? Thanks! Ron.

No, C-Kermit 5A(190) works fine with 8 port Digiboards.  Some of the 
older drivers had problems.  So if you have a problem, connect to the 
digiboard bbs or ftp site and get the latest OS/2 drivers.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip 

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From: howe@usit.net (Herb Howe)
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Subject: Kermit sliding windows on Mac
Date: 2 Feb 1995 14:59:00 GMT
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According to the Kermit documentation, for Kermit to approach the 
transfer speed of ZModem, it is necessary to be able to set long 
packets and multiple sliding windows.  Does anyone know what comm 
programs or, particulary, Communications Toolbox Tools are 
available for the Mac that properly support sliding windows?

The terminal program MacKermit available from kermit.columbia.edu 
does not work on my Mac SE, System 7.  It bombs the Mac 
repeatedly.

The Claris Kermit CTB Tool 1.0 supports either long packets or 
sliding windows but not both simultaneously.

VersatermPro has an internal Kermit that does not do windows.  
Neither does the public-domain Kermit Tool GH 1.2 or the internal 
Kermit in ZTerm 1.0b3.

Are there better CTB Tools available, either public-domain or 
commercial?

Herb Howe
howe@usit.net


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From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers?
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In article <3gober$sc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com>, Paul Smith <cgi@crl.com> wrote:
>>Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS
>>box may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a
>>modem to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete?
>>
> No, MS-DOS Kermit does not have a "simple TSR" mode.  If you want to transfer
> files with Kermit on your PC and at the same use your PC for other things,
> then you need a multitasking environment (or what passes for one) like
> OS/2, Windows, NT, DesqView, etc.
> 
> - Frank

I've successfully used two Kermits running on two serial ports at once,
once dwnloading, and the other one interactively pretty heavily.  If you
have a decent 486/33mhz it should fly jerkily pretty well.  set the properties
to allow timeslicing or background execution.  Now, to say it's a server
will allow everyone to access your machine.  How about a WEB page?  Or a
BBS?  or a elcheapo 286 dedicated to handing out the stuff, a few hundered
bucks would suffice.

just my unasked for 2cents worth.

Jim

         /^^^\   \ /   Jim Agnew         | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU  (Internet)
        /      >  ||   Neurosurgery,     | AGNEW@VCUVAX        (Bitnet)
   /\_/     '   \  /   MCV-VCU           | This disc will self destruct in
 /________________>    Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds.  Good luck, Jim..."


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#1 I cannot upload anything. I can download fine. I have a 7E1 connect
and I've made sure to set both the remote and local kermit to that. The
file types are also set the same (to binary)...and all that happens is
it looks like its going to u/l but only "%%TN%%" and that crap shows up 
instead of "...." plz help me I need to u/l something very soon.

#2 After downloads which work great is drops carrier.  Same thing with
uploads except for the fact that I actually don't u/l the file...if the
non-upload isn't stopped it will eventually give an error message and 
drop carrier :(

Please help me.


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From: harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu (James Harvey)
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Subject: Getting back to C-Kermit command level when using a command file
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I have a question about C-Kermit 5A(190) on a VAX.  We use this to
provide dialout services under a menu system using a C-Kermit command file.
The command file is passed the number to dial on the command line like
this:

$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file -Y = number-to-call

Currently when the user types the sequence to escape back to C-Kermit
command level, the end of the command file is reached and C-Kermit exits.
I would like to add an option to allow the user to instead get the C-Kermit
prompt and be able to type in more C-Kermit commands (e.g., for file transfer
and to connect again), but I haven't been able to figure out how to do this
from the manual.
--
James Harvey   harvey@iupui.edu   IUPUI IT Networks and Systems
Disclaimer:  These are my own opinions.  I do not speak for Indiana University.

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From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication?
Date: 3 Feb 1995 03:17:22 GMT
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In article <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org>,
Charles Lease <ac388@lafn.org> wrote:
>
>After obtaining the:
>
>   > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995
>
>msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the
>msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up
>message generated when MSKermit is initialized:
>
[poster found that patch file didn't work]

The problem is that msr314.pch is stored on the distribution site
as Unix text (lines separated by \10) while the MS Kermit patch
command expects DOS text (lines separated by \13\10).  The
solution is to transfer the file from Unix to Dos in text mode.  
-- 
Armand Zakarian

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Subject: mode "host" for caller?
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  I don't understand how do you do connect two PC via modem line
  with MS-Kermit (3.14)


           ----------                        ------------
               PC    |__modem________modem__|  PC call SERVER
             SERVER  |                      |    via command DIAL
          -----------                        -------------------
          (MS-Kermit)                           (MS-Kermit)

  What is setup for PC SERVER for
  answering and execute "get" and
  "put" from caller?
    (or, how do
      you set this PC for "host"?)


 Thanks,

 Gilles Ratel

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can't Kermit on new installation
Date: 4 Feb 1995 16:53:59 GMT
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In article <3gqjcm$bos@nyx.cs.du.edu>,
Francis Fisher <ffisher@nyx.cs.du.edu> wrote:
>
>Problem:  Can't transfer binary files via Kermit ...yet I have no
>trouble with ASCII transfers. Conditions: I call a new HP-UX from
>my home dos-based pc. The modem is a Sportster v.34 at modem speeds
>from 2400 thru 28800, set at N-8-1. Whether I start Kermit on the
>new HP or telneted to the NYX freenet computer, the session stops
>quickly after 12 'bad checksums.' 
>
Try "set parity space".  Probably you are going through a terminal
server or somesuch that is not passing 8 bits through.

This question seems to come up at least once a week, so I'd better
add it to the FAQ:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/FAQ.TXT

>One version of kermit is C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX
>
The current version is 5A(190).  It might help too, since it knows a lot
more about HP-UX than the six-year-old version does that you are using.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit sliding windows on Mac
Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:02:32 GMT
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In article <3gqrvl$nj0@news.usit.net>, Herb Howe <howe@usit.net> wrote:
>According to the Kermit documentation, for Kermit to approach the 
>transfer speed of ZModem, it is necessary to be able to set long 
>packets and multiple sliding windows.  Does anyone know what comm 
>programs or, particulary, Communications Toolbox Tools are 
>available for the Mac that properly support sliding windows?
>
>The terminal program MacKermit available from kermit.columbia.edu 
>does not work on my Mac SE, System 7.  It bombs the Mac 
>repeatedly.
>
Mac Kermit is not well-maintained due to a persistent lack of
programmers who are both willing and able to do the job.  I hope
the situation will change in the future.  Meanwhile, if you are
not using version 0.991(190), then you might want to give it a try.
It cures the problem (bomb) with downloading that came up under
Mac OS 7.1.  But of course, it still has other problems.

The easiest way to get the files needed for the current Mac Kermit
incarnation is through the Web:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mac.html

Qualified Macintosh programmers are always welcome to look at
Mac Kermit and make any contributions they can, the most urgently
needed ones being bug fixes.  Contact me if you are interested.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication?
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In article <3gs782$4td@spool.cs.wisc.edu>,
Armand Zakarian <zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu> wrote:
>In article <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org>,
>Charles Lease <ac388@lafn.org> wrote:
>>After obtaining the:
>>msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the
>>msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up
>>message generated when MSKermit is initialized:
>[poster found that patch file didn't work]
>The problem is that msr314.pch is stored on the distribution site
>as Unix text (lines separated by \10) while the MS Kermit patch
>command expects DOS text (lines separated by \13\10).  The
>solution is to transfer the file from Unix to Dos in text mode.  
>
"Problem" is in the eye of the beholder.

It's a text file, and it is stored in the normal text format for
the UNIX system on which you found it.  But you should not be
concerned with what the format is; you only need to know it is a
text file, and therefore transfer it in text mode.  Then it will
arrive on your PC in the correct format and it will work as
advertised.

It's too bad all computers can't store files in the same format.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: mode "host" for caller?
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In article <D3GMHM.HLL@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>,
Gilles Ratel 8720 <ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca> wrote:
>  I don't understand how do you do connect two PC via modem line
>  with MS-Kermit (3.14)
>
>           ----------                        ------------
>               PC    |__modem________modem__|  PC call SERVER
>             SERVER  |                      |    via command DIAL
>          -----------                        -------------------
>          (MS-Kermit)                           (MS-Kermit)
>
>  What is setup for PC SERVER for
>  answering and execute "get" and
>  "put" from caller?
>    (or, how do you set this PC for "host"?)
>
This is thoroughly explained in two chapters, 10 and 11, of the manual,
"Using MS-DOS Kermit", also available in French:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer
  & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.  Packaged with version 3.11 of
  MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch
  diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.
  Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles.
  Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71.

Note: the French edition can also be ordered from Columbia University.
See our Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

for more information, or send email to kermit@columbia.edu.

Briefly, you have to put the answering modem in answer mode.
The PC that is connected to the answering modem is either running
Kermit in server mode, or, for a LIMITED "host mode" capability,
you can redirect its console to the COM port via CTTY COMx.

In the former case, you have to send Kermit packets (SEND, GET,
REMOTE DIRECTORY, etc).  In the latter case, you can type DOS
commands, but with caution -- the hazards of CTTY are explained
in the manual.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Getting back to C-Kermit command level when using a command file
Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:23:29 GMT
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In article <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax>,
James Harvey <harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu> wrote:
>I have a question about C-Kermit 5A(190) on a VAX.  We use this to
>provide dialout services under a menu system using a C-Kermit command file.
>The command file is passed the number to dial on the command line like
>this:
>
>$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file -Y = number-to-call
>
I think that should be:

$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call

VMS lowercases your command-line options unless you enclose them in
quotes.  If it worked for you without quotes, it's an accident :-)

>Currently when the user types the sequence to escape back to C-Kermit
>command level, the end of the command file is reached and C-Kermit exits.
>I would like to add an option to allow the user to instead get the C-Kermit
>prompt and be able to type in more C-Kermit commands (e.g., for file transfer
>and to connect again), but I haven't been able to figure out how to do this
>from the manual.
>
Pages 316 and 323.

It's the "-S" option (uppercase), for "Stay":

$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" "-S" = number-to-call

I don't think the "-S" should be necessary, though.  When you invoke a
command file by giving its name as the first command-line argument, this
should not cause an automatic exit.  (Of course, Kermit will exit if the
command file contains an EXIT or QUIT command.)  So any of the following
should work:

$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call

$ CKERMIT -y dialing-command-file = number-to-call

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM
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In article <1995Feb2.143659.84381@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>,
WEBB ADAM W <awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> wrote:
>#1 I cannot upload anything. I can download fine. I have a 7E1 connect
>and I've made sure to set both the remote and local kermit to that.
>
How?

>The file types are also set the same (to binary)...and all that happens is
>it looks like its going to u/l but only "%%TN%%" and that crap shows up 
>instead of "...." plz help me I need to u/l something very soon.
>
Could you please be more specific about exactly which versions of Kermit
you have on each end, and the exact nature of the connection?  What
kinds of modems, etc?

If, indeed, you told one (or both) Kermit(s) to SET PARITY EVEN, then
the most likely problem is a lack of effective flow control in the
uploading direction.  The current version of Kermit for Linux,
C-Kermit 5A(190), supports hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control, and that's
what you should tell Kermit to use, and you should also configure your
modem to use it to.  After that, you're at the mercy of whatever is on
the other end of the connection -- modem, terminal server, host, etc.
If any of these are misconfigured as to flow control, etc, you will
probably need to crank the packet length down to the largest size that
will squeeze through.

Also, you might try SET PARITY SPACE rather than SET PARITY EVEN, since
an actual requirement for even parity is increasingly rare these days,
and those parity bits might actually be causing trouble.

>#2 After downloads which work great is drops carrier.  Same thing with
>uploads except for the fact that I actually don't u/l the file...if the
>non-upload isn't stopped it will eventually give an error message and 
>drop carrier :(  Please help me.
>
I'll need more details about the connection and the software versions.

- Frank

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Ansi Emulation and Kermit =)
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I have a problem. When I start out in ANSI it says on the little bar line:
Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu	        7n1 echo:rem ANSI ....
Ok but it does vt320 emulation.
only when I change it to say this:
Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu         8n1 echo:rem ANSI ....
will it do ANSI emulation.
Is this a bug? Also the only way I have been able to change the 7n1 to 8n1 is
by doing this:
<alt-x>
MS-Kermit> set ter typ vt320
MS-Kermit> c
<hit  enter a few times>
<alt-x>
MS-Kermit> set ter typ ansi
MS-Kermit> c
and boom I have ansi emulation again.
So could someone tell me a way to set the 7n1 to 8n1 in my mskermit.ini file?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?

-Ken-
"You can't change the world
 But you can change the facts
 And when you change the facts
 You change points of view
 If you change points of view
 You may change a vote
 And when you change a vote
 You may change the world"
-Depeche Mode

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit and bad line conditions 2/2
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In article <3gtl0h$62h$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com>,
Hans Rehfeld  <100125.3631@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
> We are using an IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit V 3.12 (client) and a
> C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, OpenVMS VAX (server).
>
The current versions are 3.14 and 5A(190), respectively.

> Performing a transmission to a receiving Kermit via Modem 
> with bad line quality results in the following error.
> Packet log of sending Kermit:
> 
> Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M
> Rpack: <Crunched packet>
> Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M
> Rpack: ^A <Timeout>
> Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M
> Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M
> Spack: ^A6 GI'REHFELD(xxxxxx '^M
> Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M
> ----------> The received packet above is not an ACK to the login 
> packet, but is an ACK to the previously sent Init packet)
> Nevertheless the Kermit sends out the Send packet
> Spack: ^A0 S~* @-#Y1~F'"*^^M
>
Unfortunately, this can happen.  The packet sequence number resets to
zero after each "transaction".  The I-Y sequence is considered a
transaction, and the REMOTE LOGIN packet starts another transaction.
So in a case like yours, in which the ACK to the I packet is
transmitted more than once (due to timeouts or checksum failures) and
the second or subsequent ACK is delayed, and arrives after the G packet
is sent, it can indeed be misinterpreted as the ACK to the G packet.
But no harm is done, because any resulting "packet skew" will be
caught as the transaction proceeds.

> Rpack: ^A; EKUA-W-104, Login failure4^M
> Spack: ^A$ GL:^M
> Rpack: ^A# Y>^M
> 
The standard C-Kermit server does not support the REMOTE LOGIN feature.
That is, the server will not log you in to VMS, and it does not even
recognize the REMOTE LOGIN packet.  I must say I am somewhat mystified
at the "Login failure" message above, because the response should have
been:

  Unimplemented REMOTE command

So I think somebody must have made some local changes to your version
of C-Kermit.

- Frank

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In article <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu>, kennethb@cc.usu.edu (Ken Brush) writes:
> I have a problem. When I start out in ANSI it says on the little bar line:
> Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu	        7n1 echo:rem ANSI ....
> Ok but it does vt320 emulation.

	No, it is not. You are seeing MSK report VT100 mode, which is a 7-bit
device and which is as close as we can come to terminal types known to the 
world. VMS has no conception of the PC modem BBS "ANSI" item, nor should it.
I strongly recommend using VT320. VMS understands that very well.
	Joe D.

> only when I change it to say this:
> Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu         8n1 echo:rem ANSI ....
> will it do ANSI emulation.
> Is this a bug? Also the only way I have been able to change the 7n1 to 8n1 is
> by doing this:
> <alt-x>
> MS-Kermit> set ter typ vt320
> MS-Kermit> c
> <hit  enter a few times>
> <alt-x>
> MS-Kermit> set ter typ ansi
> MS-Kermit> c
> and boom I have ansi emulation again.
> So could someone tell me a way to set the 7n1 to 8n1 in my mskermit.ini file?
> Anyone? Anyone?
> Bueller?

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In article <D3GMHM.HLL@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) writes:
>   I don't understand how do you do connect two PC via modem line
>   with MS-Kermit (3.14)
> 
> 
>            ----------                        ------------
>                PC    |__modem________modem__|  PC call SERVER
>              SERVER  |                      |    via command DIAL
>           -----------                        -------------------
>           (MS-Kermit)                           (MS-Kermit)
> 
>   What is setup for PC SERVER for
>   answering and execute "get" and
>   "put" from caller?
>     (or, how do
>       you set this PC for "host"?)
-----------
	On the server side tell the modem to autoanswer. Set the port
to the proper COMx and speed etc within Kermit. Tell Kermit to be a
server. That's it. Read more about it in the documentation, particularly
the user's manual "Using MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK HELP screens.
	Joe D.

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From: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain          )
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	Hello all!  I just dl'ed Kermit 3.14 but am having trouble
configuring it for my PPI 28.8 v.34 modem.  It seems as if all of the modem
scripts that are provided come with speed locking constraints programmed
into them.  For example, when I set the pp14400 to max out at 28800 and try
to dial, I get this message.
			Locking Interface Speed at 28800...ATS87=28
			Unable to set speed at 28800

	Hence, I canot dial out.  Does anyone know how I could solve this
problem and get 28800 conections?  Thanks a million!

McClain Watson
JW2998@conrad.appstate.edu
Appalachian State University
Boone, N.C. 28608


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Subject: Re: [ help ] how to set the parameters for terminal Tek4010 ?
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The probelm has been solved by setting GDC CLOCK for the PC to 2.5.


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I realize this probably isn't the proper forum for my question but here 
goes...

Can someone tell me how to get started with zmodem (i.e., where to get it 
on the 'Net, documentation, how it's better than Kermit).

Or can someone make a good pitch for Kermit and tell me why to stick with it?

Thanks in advance

Jim Leftwich
leftwich@cloud9.net


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help with 28.8 connection!!  *Please Read*
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In article <3h0r27$bed@lester.appstate.edu>, JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain          ) writes:
> 	Hello all!  I just dl'ed Kermit 3.14 but am having trouble
> configuring it for my PPI 28.8 v.34 modem.  It seems as if all of the modem
> scripts that are provided come with speed locking constraints programmed
> into them.  For example, when I set the pp14400 to max out at 28800 and try
> to dial, I get this message.
> 			Locking Interface Speed at 28800...ATS87=28
> 			Unable to set speed at 28800
> 
> 	Hence, I canot dial out.  Does anyone know how I could solve this
> problem and get 28800 conections?  Thanks a million!
------------
	1. If you read the modem's manual again I think you will discover
that it recommends running the comms program to modem part at about 4 times
the telco signaling speed. So try SET SP 57600 or even 115200 and let the
modem lock the computer interface at that speed.
	2. Please do read the modem information provided in the MSK
distribution set so you can pick up as many useful hints as possible.
	Joe D.

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In article <3go7qe$ghi@news.halcyon.com> ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) writes: :In article <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu>,
:I don't run MS-DOS any more, so it would be painful for me to try and
:figure out a good way to do this with MS-Kermit 3.14.

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 tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit.

   All the best, Timo

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From: georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu (G. DIMITOGLOU)
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Hi! just a simple hint on what command to use in order to run a script I wrote.
Also, is there a degugging method to verify where my code crashes (in case it
does ?)

Thank you.
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From: tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma)
Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers?
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jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>In article <D3CrCn.A9u@encore.com>, tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) writes:
>> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>> 
>>>In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes:
>>>> 
>	Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection?
>If not please do.
>	Btw, Columbia Kermits are not shareware.

I would rather talk about lisencing here than through a 'formal' channel.
How much would it be if I ship a copy of kermit for every PC that I sell?
(a few guys in customer service deparment would like to have access
to every PC that we ship. They need to do file transfer from time to time. )

It looks like I will need to pay $20.00 per box if I go with zmodem.

Any better ideas ?
This is in Unixware (SVR4.2) enviromment.

Thanh Ma
tma@encore.com

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I'm running MSK 3.14 patch level 3 with the BNU 1.70 FOSSIL under
Novell DOS 7 (with update 10 applied).

When doing a transmit of a single line file to the Unixware machine here,
my machine (with a CGA video card) went into 40 column mode.

Doing a push then mode co80 fixed things.

Anyone else experienced this?

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: [Q] How do I run a script?
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In article <3h1n91$hu7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu (G. DIMITOGLOU) writes:
> 
> Hi! just a simple hint on what command to use in order to run a script I wrote.
> Also, is there a degugging method to verify where my code crashes (in case it
> does ?)
---------------
	MS-DOS Kermit (please do explain your context, thanks):
	TAKE filename 		to read commands from that file
	SET TAKE ECHO ON	to see commands executed

	HELP			to see name of the User's Manual

	Joe D.

-8-223-5082 
>               arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au
---------------
	The remote host echoed something like ESC [ m to you, and while
doing script commands video displaying is accomplished by DOS. ANSI.SYS
is crippled and puts you into 40 column mode (see the docs on ANSI.SYS
in your DOS books). Cure: SET INPUT ECHO OFF.
	Joe D.

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From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi)
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In article <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg> kheesoon@technet.sg writes:
:Is there any kermit script lang manual available in internet.

The best way is to learn by example together with the Kermit book. I
am confident that Frank will give you the pointer to the latter.
Here is one pointer to the former.

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   All the best, Timo

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950204211020.24961A-100000@cloud9.net>, James Leftwich <leftwich@cloud9.net> writes:
> I realize this probably isn't the proper forum for my question but here 
> goes...
	Correct, not the appropriate News group.
 
> Can someone tell me how to get started with zmodem (i.e., where to get it 
> on the 'Net, documentation, how it's better than Kermit).
> 
> Or can someone make a good pitch for Kermit and tell me why to stick with it?

	Lessee now. You want others to do your thinking and lead you by the
hand, and probably take the flak if you are unhappy. What a deal!
	May I make a humble suggestion of trying the items of interest to you
and forming opinions based on your particular circumstances. Pointers on how
to get started are sprinkled through the traffic in this group.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <1995Feb5.154814.40653@cc.usu.edu>, kennethb@cc.usu.edu (Ken Brush) writes:
> In article <1995Feb4.105354.40551@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>> In article <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu>, kennethb@cc.usu.edu (Ken Brush) writes:
>> 
>> 	No, it is not. You are seeing MSK report VT100 mode, which is a 7-bit
>> device and which is as close as we can come to terminal types known to the 
>> world. VMS has no conception of the PC modem BBS "ANSI" item, nor should it.
>> I strongly recommend using VT320. VMS understands that very well.
>> 	Joe D.
> 
> Ok then how do I change from a 7-bit to an 8-bit display?
> And how come you can type set term typ ansi and have it in 7-bit mode if it
> doesn't handle ANSI color?
-----------
	Let's separate these items.
	SET DISPLAY  or  SET TERM BYTESIZE 7 or 8
	Color has nothing to do with 7 or 8 
it comms channels. Color is set
by CSI 30's and/or 40's m, or in 7-bit form ESC [ 30's and/or 40's m.
	The above are in the user's manual and the distribution docs.
	If the remote host is sending material in 8-bit form to a client
which is not 8-bit compatible (and VT100's are 7-bit devices) then the high
bit is lost and confusion will result.
        I wish to emphasize that VMS knows nothing about "ANSI" terminal
kinds, so please use a kind it does recognize such as the handy VT320
which is an 8-bit terminal kind too.
        Joe D.

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In article <3h0c8j$o82@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
...
>
>It's too bad all computers can't store files in the same format.
>
>- Frank
That's one reason to use kermit for file transfer ... :-)

-- 
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In article <3grnfb$o5v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> Since the release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, there have been persistent reports
> that patches don't seem to "stick".  That is, after giving a PATCH command,
> the patch level is still reported as 0.  This can happen if the patch file is
> transferred to the PC from a UNIX system in binary mode, so the lines end
> with LF rather than CRLF -- DOS does not recognize the line boundaries and
> therefore Kermit does not see valid patches.  Cure: make sure each line ends
> with CRLF.  Fix it in an editor, or re-transfer the file in text mode.
> 

There's one other way for this to happen -- if you don't have the fixed release
of 3.14 from January 18th, but instead have the initial "final" release, 
the patch files won't work because it's the wrong version.  

I managed to ftp the new version, and then forgot to actually install
it, and later spent about ten minutes trying to figure out why the patch
files wouldn't work.

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers?
Date: 6 Feb 1995 11:34:32 -0600
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In article <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:

>> If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH.  I need to provide a remote unattended
>> file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution.
>-------------------
>	Let's look at this case. Basically you want MSK to become a TSR Kermit
>file server. Of course, it's not designed that way now; file server yes,
>TSR no. Doing file i/o as a TSR has a substantial collection of technical
>problems because DOS itself is not reentrant and provides no multitasking
>capabilities. Experiences with DOS' PRINT TSR should be enough to persuade
>folks that these background transfer guys can be bad news. In addition,
>a program even the size of Kermit-Lite use substantial amounts of 
>conventional memory, making multiple tasking awkward for the user.

I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used
with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls
in the background.  It is running on many machines without causing too
much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible.  It appears
to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size
is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and
login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of
this package.  I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME
attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication.

>	There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them.
>The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a
>familiar and managable form.

All of which require at least a 386 and a bunch of memory.  A 60K TSR
can find a cheaper home.

>	We could make a Kermit-Lite which went TSR and tried to cope with
>the horrid problems of doing DOS i/o from interrupt level. It's not easy
>so this would have to become a fully funded project rather than a to-do
>item on our wish list.

I don't have enough sites to justify this myself, but I think there is
a market for a generic solution to this problem, especially in the
form of a scriptable kermit TSR since it would allow just about any
host on the other end.  Especially if it could easily be set up to
transport messages for something like Pegasus, using only a kermit
server and a native mail system at the host side.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller)
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Thanh Ma:
   I would rather talk about lisencing here than through a 'formal'
   channel.  How much would it be if I ship a copy of kermit for every
   PC that I sell?  (a few guys in customer service deparment would
   like to have access to every PC that we ship. They need to do file
   transfer from time to time. )

Short answer: if you don't charge for kermit, you don't have to pay
for it.

Complicating factors: if you're in a position to pay them for it, it's
a good idea to buy what you want from Columbia University (this has to
do with the long-term viability of kermit).  And then there's
support...

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From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller)
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I'm trying to figure out how to get C-Kermit in connection mode to
distinguish between a control J and a control M when feeding it from a
pipe.

What I want is for a control J to pass through unaltered, and a
control M to pass through unaltered -- this works fine if kermit is
talking directly to the controlling tty, but if I try and filter the
input to kermit things don't work so well.  I'm preceeding the call to
the filter and kermit with `stty -echo raw`.

Thanks.

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From: Andrew Morrow <amorrow@dataradio.com>
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:

> Addresses in Canada should end with:
> 
>   City XX  lnl nln
>   CANADA
> 
> where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for
> Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the
> six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code.

PQ (Province of Quebec) was changed to QC (QuebeC) many years ago, leaving
DC (District of Columbia) as the only place I can think of that has a
classification name as part of the abbreviation.

If you get a subscription with QC will your software choke, or will you
just pass it on to the Canadian postal service which fortunately can
handle both abbreviations?

Andrew.
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From: newsham@hookomo.aloha.net (Timothy Newsham)
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Hi,

   This question is reguarding C-Kermit scripting not the kermit
protocol.  Is this the proper place?

   I have a script that waits for input on the serial line,
writes to a file, runs a program, then sends output.  The program
needs to wait for long periods of time sometimes.   What is
the maximum value I can use to wait with?  It seems that
the program breaks out of the wait after about a day or so
with the current values I'm using.  Since I quit if the wait
fails the script stops running.   (The reason I quit if the
wait fails is so that a ^C at the console will kill the script,
otherwise the only way I have of killing the script is sending
a shutdown command over the serial line).

Please cc: me a copy of any posted responses since I dont
follow this group.

                              Tim N.

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From: weisek@source.asset.com (Kevin Weise)
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Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking
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In article <jzeroD39uKJ.L63@netcom.com>, Jim Nakamura <jzero@netcom.com> wrote:
>jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
>
>| In article <jzeroD35p9C.CAH@netcom.com>, Jim Nakamura <jzero@netcom.com> wrote:
>| >
>| >Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the
>| >screen. Kermit (190) is leaking.  This problem does not show up
>| >on other comm programs.
>
>> Random characters at the current cursor position?
>	Yes.  About a character or two every half minute.
>> Random characters at some other position?
>	No.
>> Is it reproducible?  Do these random characters occur often enough that 
>> you could capture them in a session log which could be sent to me?
>	Seems to happen only while in my newsreader "nn".
>> Could you please define "leaking"?
>	"O{pPd^Dd" - these characters (one at a time appearing at
>	random intervals at the cursor screen).
>> Are you using hardware flow control?
>	Yes.
>-- 
>jzero@netcom.com

Sorry I didn't get in on the beginning of this thread, so I don't know
the execution environment.  However, what it sounds like to me is PON
over POTS (i.e., plain ol' noise over plain old telephone service).  Are
you using a modem and dialing over standard telephone lines?  If so, it
must be noise (esp. if the modem is more than a few years old), and
Kermit is *not* the problem.  More modern modems, esp. those with error-
correction, do a terrific job of cleaning that nasty noise up, but only 
if they are talking with an equivalent error-correcting modem.  If you 
are using a PC on an Ethernet link (with or without a terminal server), 
then I'm stumped as to what the problem could be.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers?
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In article <3h5mj8$kar@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu>,
> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
> 
>>> If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH.  I need to provide a remote unattended
>>> file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution.
>>-------------------
>>	Let's look at this case. Basically you want MSK to become a TSR Kermit
>>file server. Of course, it's not designed that way now; file server yes,
>>TSR no. Doing file i/o as a TSR has a substantial collection of technical
>>problems because DOS itself is not reentrant and provides no multitasking
>>capabilities. Experiences with DOS' PRINT TSR should be enough to persuade
>>folks that these background transfer guys can be bad news. In addition,
>>a program even the size of Kermit-Lite use substantial amounts of 
>>conventional memory, making multiple tasking awkward for the user.
> 
> I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used
> with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls
> in the background.  It is running on many machines without causing too
> much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible.  It appears
> to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size
> is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and
> login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of
> this package.  I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME
> attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication.

	Appears to be just one piece of a larger system, and a piece
which does not attract much attention by itself. 
 
>>	There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them.
>>The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a
>>familiar and managable form.
> 
> All of which require at least a 386 and a bunch of memory.  A 60K TSR
> can find a cheaper home.

	So, that's the norm these days, what with Windows and such.
 
>>	We could make a Kermit-Lite which went TSR and tried to cope with
>>the horrid problems of doing DOS i/o from interrupt level. It's not easy
>>so this would have to become a fully funded project rather than a to-do
>>item on our wish list.
> 
> I don't have enough sites to justify this myself, but I think there is
> a market for a generic solution to this problem, especially in the

	I disagree here. The market is for the big scale product, not
a tailor-made component. There is no interest at this end in becoming
a parts supplier for free.
        Joe D.

> form of a scriptable kermit TSR since it would allow just about any
> host on the other end.  Especially if it could easily be set up to
> transport messages for something like Pegasus, using only a kermit
> server and a native mail system at the host side.
> 
> Les Mikesell
>   les@mcs.com

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From: yxw11570@Bayou.UH.EDU (Y. Wang)
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Subject: Modem init. in OS/2 C-Kermit
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Hi,

I have problem with initializing the modem in OS/2 C-Kermit 5A. After I use
the command: set dial init ATXXXXX, where XXXXX denotes a string of legal AT 
command, I issued: dial xxxxxxx, where xxxxxxx is the phone number. I got 
the following message: ATXXXXX. Modem does not response, retry... (or something
like that) after C-Kermit tried three time, it hang up. What's wrong? I can
use the same AT command in other communication program, why I can't use it here?
How can I solve this problem? Please help. Thanks for any information.

Ye

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Subject: kermit for Nicolet Spectrophotometers
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 I am trying to transfer data from an old Nicolet FTIR to a PC in order to obtain the data 
n the data in ASCII. I need a version of Kermit which will talk to the Nicolet operating system 
perating system (a 20 word bit) . Does anyone have such a version available
Bob Cox   

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From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: interesting from OMEN
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 1995 20:29:20 -0700
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Well, I found a file called knewstru.zip on a BBS that discussed the kermit
news article that claims faster transfers than zmodem. It surely attacks this
claim and find it based with pretty interesting facts. If any of you are
interested in reading this article (complete with gif pictures) read on. You
can ftp to ftp.primenet.com and log in as anonymous. Once here, cd to
/users/j/jbishop and get the file knewstru.zip (in binary mode).

Jeff


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From: dhuguet@vt.edu (David Huguet)
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I have this script that runs when I log on that will look for a file called "mypass.ker"
which I suppose is supposed to contain my password.  I tried creating it 
with 
input "password", where "password" is my personal one, but it doesn't connect
right.  It looks like it reads the password correctly, but then when it submits
it to the password authentication server, I always get error messages.  I am 
thinking that perhaps it is typing it in all caps or something that would make
it unreadable to the server.  I would appreciate it if anyone out there who knows
how to do kermit scripts at all could look at this script and tell me what I need
to put in my "mypass.ker" script for it to work.  Thanks a lot.

here is the script that calls "mypass.ker":
:GETPSWD
    if INPATH mypass.ker goto PASSFILE
    echo
    echo {Please enter your password now (the one for Personal ID "\m(NWAPersonalID)"}
    askq Passwd {   and IP Address "\m(NWTIPAddr)"), or "quit" to give up: \7}
    if EQUAL x x\m(Passwd) goto GETPSWD
    if NOT EQUAL xquit x\m(Passwd) goto END
    ErrMsg {User entered "quit" in response to password prompt.}
    Open Write UserQuit.FLG
    Write File "User Canceled"
    Close Write

    set errorlevel 6
    goto END

:PASSFILE
    ProgMsg {Loading password with MYPASS.KER...}
    take mypass.ker

END

thank you in advance.

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From: nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung)
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I use PC kermit instead of telnet to access Interent because of the speed 
and the script.  One problem, however, I run into is the difficulty of 
using our online catalog residing in IBM mainframe.  I guess Kermit dose 
not support tn3270.  Is this true?  If it is, anybody who have made it work?
Or any plan to support tn3270 in the future?   
FYI, I use 'tn3270 uicmvsa.aiss.uiuc.edu' to access Illinet online. I 
will extremely appriciate it if you find a way to use Kermit instead of 
tn3270.  Thanx
Nackil

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From: rkutai@martha.utcc.utk.edu (Raymond Steven Kutai)
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When I run kermit, a warning showed up:
 $kermit
 Warning: Last line of TAKE file lacks Terminator.
 C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93 Solaris 2.x
 ...
I recently noticed the Warning line when I added
.kermrc to my home dir.  My .kermrc looks like this:

set send pac 9024
set blo 3
set win 31

I wrote the file using emacs.  So far I haven't experienced
anything bad yet but just to be on the safe side, I wonder if
the warning has anything to do with my adding .kermrc to
my home dir.  Is there anyway to correct the problem and still
keep my own .kermrc?

Thank you much.

---
rsk
02.06.95





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From: jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget)
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is there a redial macro to get more than 1 dial attempt for os/2 C-Kermit?
anyway to tweak what's there now to create some type of redial macro.

thanks
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: tn3270 and Kermit
Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:39:17 GMT
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In article <3h6jtu$bjk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
Nackil Sung <nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu> wrote:
>I use PC kermit instead of telnet to access Interent because of the speed 
>and the script.  One problem, however, I run into is the difficulty of 
>using our online catalog residing in IBM mainframe.  I guess Kermit dose 
>not support tn3270.  Is this true?
>
True.

>If it is, anybody who have made it work?
>Or any plan to support tn3270 in the future?   
>
Yes.

In the meantime, you can use a separate tn3270 program on your PC,
or you can access the mainframe through a 3270 emulator -- a special-
purpose box such as an IBM 7171, a terminal server that has 3270 emulation
built in, or by telnet'ing from Kermit to (say) a UNIX system and using
tn3270 from there to the mainframe.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Modem init. in OS/2 C-Kermit
Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:43:54 GMT
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In article <3h6ndd$8em@masala.cc.uh.edu>,
Y. Wang <yxw11570@Bayou.UH.EDU> wrote:
>I have problem with initializing the modem in OS/2 C-Kermit 5A. After I
>use the command: set dial init ATXXXXX, where XXXXX denotes a string of
>legal AT command, I issued: dial xxxxxxx, where xxxxxxx is the phone
>number. I got the following message: ATXXXXX. Modem does not response,
>retry... (or something like that) after C-Kermit tried three time, it
>hang up. What's wrong?
>
The default port is COM1.  If your modem is on a different port, then
you'll have to tell Kermit to "set port 2" (or whatever).  You also have
to tell Kermit to use a speed that the modem can understand.  For example,
if I have my speed set to 57600, my Hayes 2400 will not respond to AT
commands.

Please read the section on troubleshooting DIAL commands in the manual,
"Using C-Kermit".  There are a surprising number of things that can go
wrong.

If that doesn't help, send a more detailed description of the problem
(what kind of modem you have, what XXXXX is, etc) to kermit@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3h726u$of0@martha.utk.edu>,
Raymond Steven Kutai <rkutai@martha.utcc.utk.edu> wrote:
>When I run kermit, a warning showed up:
> $kermit
> Warning: Last line of TAKE file lacks Terminator.
> C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93 Solaris 2.x
> ...
>I recently noticed the Warning line when I added
>.kermrc to my home dir.  My .kermrc looks like this:
>
>set send pac 9024
>set blo 3
>set win 31
>
>I wrote the file using emacs.  So far I haven't experienced
>anything bad yet but just to be on the safe side, I wonder if
>the warning has anything to do with my adding .kermrc to
>my home dir.  Is there anyway to correct the problem and still
>keep my own .kermrc?
>
Each line in a UNIX text file, including the final line, is supposed
to be terminated by a linefeed character.  The message means that
the final line in your .kermrc file does not end with a linefeed.
Kermit still reads and executes the final line, however, at least if
it is a valid Kermit command.  Not all other programs will necessarily 
be so forgiving, so you should get the file back into EMACS and put
a linefeed at the end (ESC >, then press Enter or return, then save
the file).

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: redial macro for os/2C-Kermit
Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:51:13 GMT
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In article <3h727s$ql4$1@heifetz.msen.com>,
Dwight Hugget <jamaican@garnet.msen.com> wrote:
>is there a redial macro to get more than 1 dial attempt for os/2 C-Kermit?
>anyway to tweak what's there now to create some type of redial macro.
>
Some macros are left as "exercises for the reader".

Try this:

  define myredial redial, while fail { redial, sleep 30 }

Embellish as desired.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit for Nicolet Spectrophotometers
Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:56:05 GMT
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In article <3h74eo$i7h@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov>,  <cox@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov> wrote:
> I am trying to transfer data from an old Nicolet FTIR to a PC in order to
> obtain the data in ASCII. I need a version of Kermit which will talk to the
> Nicolet operating system (a 20 word bit) . Does anyone have such a version
> available?
>
From the Kermit Digest, V20 #1, 25 Aug 94.  I don't know if FTIR is the same
as any of the computers listed below, but if it is, you've got your Kermit
program:

Date: 2 July 1994
From: Peter McClintock <pya007@lancaster.ac.uk>
Subject: Nicolet NIC-80 Kermit

I have written a Kermit for Nicolet data-processors in the NIC-80 series
(LAB-80, NMR-80, MED-80, BNC-12).  Although it provides a relatively simple
implementation of the protocol, it will open up a new dimension to many
enthusiasts for these ancient machines.  The main usage in practice is
likely to be in transferring averaged spectra or other data to a mainframe,
workstation or PC for further analysis or for plotting with modern plotting
packages.  But the Kermit will, of course, also enable Nicolet users to
exchange programmes and data with each other on a world-wide basis.

To get started there is a choice of two options -

  (a) Obtain the sourcecode from Kermit Distribution, type it in, assemble
  it, and generate and de-bug the executable programme according to the
  instructions, all on the Nicolet.

(The source code is in kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/c/nic*.*.)

  (b) Ask me for a copy of the binary.  This can be supplied on paper tape;
  alternatively, send me a formatted 8-inch floppy, or front-loading 
  Diablo-30 cartridge, onto which the binary can be stored.

For option (b), there is a $100 handling charge (waived if the applicant
can offer new NIC-80 software of comparable utility in return).  Please make
cheques payable to "University of Lancaster".

Once the initial version of the Kermit is installed and running on a given
system, future updates can obviously be received by ftp or e-mail, using the
current Kermit to download them from the receiving machine to the NIC-80 on
which they are to be used.

Mailing address for disks:
  P V E McClintock,
  School of Physics and Materials,
  University of Lancaster,
  LANCASTER  LA1 4YB,  UK.




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From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith)
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Chuck Forsberg at Omen had some legitimate beefs, I think, but after
following the debate ad nauseum last year in comp.dcom.modems, I found
myself having less and less sympathy for his position.  Mr. Forsberg
ranted for months that there was a conspiracy at Columbia to besmirch
the good name of ZMODEM.  Eventually I read the Kermit News article and
didn't see it that way.  In the end, I concluded that the best ZMODEM
implementation is slightly faster than the best KERMIT implementation,
at least some of the time.  For me, the speed difference was insignificant
compared to the price difference and the support difference.  Granted, the
latter was speculation on my part.  I read Frank's books and compared his
c.d.m postings to Chuck's and decided it would be no contest.
-- 
 
 Mike Smith                                  mike@ccs.queensu.ca
 Queen's University                          Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA
 Computing and Communications Services       (613) 545-2024

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3h63lo$svd@nuhou.aloha.net>,
Timothy Newsham <newsham@hookomo.aloha.net> wrote:
>I have a script that waits for input on the serial line,
>writes to a file, runs a program, then sends output.  The program
>needs to wait for long periods of time sometimes.   What is
>the maximum value I can use to wait with?  It seems that
>the program breaks out of the wait after about a day or so
>with the current values I'm using.
>
It depends on "sizeof int" in the C compiler that generated your
version of C-Kermit.  The INPUT timeout is a signed integer, so
the maximum value would be two raised to the <number-of-bits-in-
an-integer>'th power, minus 1.  So for 16-bit integers, it would
be 65535 seconds, which is indeed only about 76% of a day.  For
32-bit integers, of course, the maximum timeout would be way bigger.

>Since I quit if the wait
>fails the script stops running.   (The reason I quit if the
>wait fails is so that a ^C at the console will kill the script,
>otherwise the only way I have of killing the script is sending
>a shutdown command over the serial line).
>
There's always a way.  For example, you could simply make a loop
that executes infinitely, and waits for an hour, or 12 hours, or
whatever, until the input arrives.

- Frank

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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In article <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:

>> I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used
>> with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls
>> in the background.  It is running on many machines without causing too
>> much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible.  It appears
>> to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size
>> is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and
>> login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of
>> this package.  I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME
>> attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication.
>
>	Appears to be just one piece of a larger system, and a piece
>which does not attract much attention by itself. 

Yes, but it is the piece that, at the moment, can't be replaced.  Worse,
it ties us to a peculiar piece of software at the unix host side since
we are running our own hub instead of using the attmail service.  This
in turn ties us to a particular version of unix.

>>>	There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them.
>>>The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a
>>>familiar and managable form.
>> 
>> All of which require at least a 386 and a bunch of memory.  A 60K TSR
>> can find a cheaper home.
>
>	So, that's the norm these days, what with Windows and such.

Yes, that's what people buy now, but they don't discard the older machines,
they just get passed down to someone else who still needs email access.

>> I don't have enough sites to justify this myself, but I think there is
>> a market for a generic solution to this problem, especially in the
>
>	I disagree here. The market is for the big scale product, not
>a tailor-made component. There is no interest at this end in becoming
>a parts supplier for free.

I don't mean to imply that you have any obligation to provide such
a thing for free, but I still think there is a need for it and it
fits into the kermit model of making everything talk to everything
else on the cheap.  The other components needed to put a workable
system together are available in various free or low-cost shareware
forms that could be glued together to build a custom system.  For
example you could use uqwk on a unix host and any of several qwk/soup
readers, or set up something similar as a custom gateway for Pegasus.
The critical points to making it usable are that the end points
appear as users on the host machine rather than remote machines,
and that the communications must take care of itself with scheduled
calls in the background as an option.

But maybe it's too late for simple serial communications.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit script to load password?
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In article <3h6hae$b1t@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, dhuguet@vt.edu (David Huguet) writes:
> I have this script that runs when I log on that will look for a file called "mypass.ker"
> which I suppose is supposed to contain my password.  I tried creating it 
> with 
> input "password", where "password" is my personal one, but it doesn't From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb  7 13:37:42 1995
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From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Multiple TCP/IP Sessions
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Help! I have updated to V3.14 and run multiple TCP/IP sessions connected to a 
UNIX system. V3.14 is disconnecting my sessions that I am not currently in 
after a period of time. Is there a parameter I am supposed to modify to 
prevent this? V3.13 does not do this.


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From: ylee@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee)
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Subject: Re: interesting from OMEN
Date: 8 Feb 1995 01:06:10 GMT
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Jeff Bishop <jbishop@primenet.com> says:
|Well, I found a file called knewstru.zip on a BBS that discussed the
|kermit news article that claims faster transfers than zmodem. It
|surely attacks this claim and find it based with pretty interesting
|facts. If any of you are interested in reading this article (complete
|with gif pictures) read on. You can ftp to ftp.primenet.com and log in
|as anonymous. Once here, cd to /users/j/jbishop and get the file
|knewstru.zip (in binary mode).

I haven't seen the article, but if it's anything like his documentation
I'm sure it'll be an interesting experience.  His writing style
is--um--bizzare, to say the least.
--   _____________________________________________________________________
     Yeechang Lee  (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94
     Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell
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From: brewer@us.net (Scott Carpenter)
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Subject: Kermit and NT
Date: 7 Feb 1995 18:14:44 GMT
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I have just been given the job of porting all of our 
applications from OS/2 to NT. One of the functions I 
need to replicate is OS/2 C-Kermit telneting to 
another computer with VT100 emulation. I ported over 
the key mapping all of our users are used to, but I 
can't get the telnet function to work. Any 
suggestions?


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From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos)
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Subject: Help With Sessions Under MSK
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I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my
desk.  I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that
the screen gets cleared.  Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being
sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one
switches back to the session.

So, my two questions.  1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the
screen whenever I switch sessions?  and 2) how can I have kermit not
send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on
whenever I switch a session?

Are these even possible?  Skimming through `The Book' I couldn't find
an answer.  Now, it's entirely possible that I missed something
(wouldn't be the first time).  So, if it is covered in the
documentation, could someone please tell me the relevant page numbers
at least.

Thanks in advance...

        --Jerry

-- 
|>  Jerry Alexandratos                **  "vengo de la tierra del    <|
|>  darkstar@strauss.udel.edu         **   fuego ten cuidado cuando  <|
|>  darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu  **   llamas mi nombre..."      <|

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Kermit and NT
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In article <3h8dak$3jm@doberman.cablew.com>,
Scott Carpenter <brewer@us.net> wrote:
>I have just been given the job of porting all of our 
>applications from OS/2 to NT. One of the functions I 
>need to replicate is OS/2 C-Kermit telneting to 
>another computer with VT100 emulation. I ported over 
>the key mapping all of our users are used to, but I 
>can't get the telnet function to work. Any 
>suggestions?
>

OS/2 C-Kermit does not work with NT 3.5 in any mode.

NEtwork connections ae absolutely out of the question since they
are not part of the base OS/2 functionality and were not
replicated by Microsoft.


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip 

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers?
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In article <3h8611$eif@Mars.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu>,
> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
> 
>>> I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used
>>> with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls
>>> in the background.  It is running on many machines without causing too
>>> much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible.  It appears
>>> to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size
>>> is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and
>>> login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of
>>> this package.  I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME
>>> attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication.
	<omitting much>
>>	I disagree here. The market is for the big scale product, not
>>a tailor-made component. There is no interest at this end in becoming
>>a parts supplier for free.
> 
> I don't mean to imply that you have any obligation to provide such
> a thing for free, but I still think there is a need for it and it
> fits into the kermit model of making everything talk to everything
> else on the cheap.  The other components needed to put a workable
> system together are available in various free or low-cost shareware
> forms that could be glued together to build a custom system.  For
> example you could use uqwk on a unix host and any of several qwk/soup
> readers, or set up something similar as a custom gateway for Pegasus.
> The critical points to making it usable are that the end points
> appear as users on the host machine rather than remote machines,
> and that the communications must take care of itself with scheduled
> calls in the background as an option.
> 
> But maybe it's too late for simple serial communications.
----------------
	I think the time passed in the early 70's when Unix grew up,
even though there is a modern resurgence this year as "service providers"
appear in every other garage to guide folks to the ISH.
	There is always a need for someone(s) to make working systems from
components. However, the Kermit designers may not be interested in spending
their own time and effort in such work (they too, like everyone, have plans
and goals). Hence a contractural arrangement would be needed to create the
group to do the special job.
        Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Multiple TCP/IP Sessions
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In article <Tim_Helmstetter.15.2F378AF1@radian.com>, Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes:
> Help! I have updated to V3.14 and run multiple TCP/IP sessions connected to a 
> UNIX system. V3.14 is disconnecting my sessions that I am not currently in 
> after a period of time. Is there a parameter I am supposed to modify to 
> prevent this? V3.13 does not do this.
----------------
	It's not MSK doing disconnects, it's your host(s). Maybe you could
elaborate on the environment and any other details of interest. The actual
useful piece of information is a packet trace, if you have the equipment
for that job (FTP Inc Lanwatch or Novell Lanalyzer formats would be fine here).
	Joe D.

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From: harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu (James Harvey)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Getting back to C-Kermit command level when using a command file
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In article <3h0d6h$pfo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax>,
> James Harvey <harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu> wrote:
>>I have a question about C-Kermit 5A(190) on a VAX.  We use this to
>>provide dialout services under a menu system using a C-Kermit command file.
>>The command file is passed the number to dial on the command line like
>>this:
>>
>>$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file -Y = number-to-call
>>
> I think that should be:
>
> $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call
>
> VMS lowercases your command-line options unless you enclose them in
> quotes.  If it worked for you without quotes, it's an accident :-)

You're right of course.  I had overlooked the doublequotes, which caused
the command to work as long as there was an exit command in the command
file.  When I tried to take it out, I would get a command syntax error
(correctly because of the missing filespec argument to the unquoted -Y
option which was now really a -y option).  I should have mentioned that,
but I thought it was unrelated (yes, I should know better :)

	[snip]
>
> I don't think the "-S" should be necessary, though.  When you invoke a
> command file by giving its name as the first command-line argument, this
> should not cause an automatic exit.  (Of course, Kermit will exit if the
> command file contains an EXIT or QUIT command.)  So any of the following
> should work:
>
> $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call
>
> $ CKERMIT -y dialing-command-file = number-to-call

Yes, this works perfectly.  Thanks!

P.S.: Nice work on 5A(190).  I like the bugfix for flow control on the
console (edit 061 to ckvtio.c).  Now I can toss my last patch! (well,
except for our wacky custom modem-dialer code)
--
James Harvey   harvey@iupui.edu   IUPUI IT Networks and Systems
Disclaimer:  These are my own opinions.  I do not speak for Indiana University.
I spilt spot remover on my dog and now he's gone.

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From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: Subscribe to Kermit News
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In article <3h5mpp$gpf@ns.rezonet.net>,
	Andrew Morrow  <amorrow@dataradio.com> wrote:

>> Addresses in Canada should end with:

>>   City XX  lnl nln
>>   CANADA
 
>> where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for
>> Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the
>> six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code.

Actually, it ain't. The 'n' spaces are numeric only, the 'l'  alpha only.

>PQ (Province of Quebec) was changed to QC (QuebeC) many years ago, leaving
>DC (District of Columbia) as the only place I can think of that has a
>classification name as part of the abbreviation.

PQ was (and still is) useful in many non-postal contexts, to
differetiate Quebec the province from Quebec the city (and the
province's capitol). Only Anglos refer to it as Quebec City, the
proper French usage is to refer to both as "Quebec", thus the reference
to PQ.

Both PQ and QC are acceptable to the Canadian post office, they'll
deliver the mail equally slowly no matter how you mark it.

-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
       Novell Unix Master Reseller / evan@telly.on.ca / (905) 452-0504
                A happy traveller on the information sidewalk

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From: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease)
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In a previous article, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) says:

>In article <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org>,
>Charles Lease <ac388@lafn.org> wrote:
>>
>>After obtaining the:
>>   > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995
>>msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the
>>msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up
>>message generated when MSKermit is initialized:
>>   > Installing patches...
>>   >  MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0
>>
>The following has been added to our FAQ, since it seems to keep
>coming up:
>
>Since the release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, there have been persistent reports
>that patches don't seem to "stick".  That is, after giving a PATCH command,
>the patch level is still reported as 0.  This can happen if the patch file is
>transferred to the PC from a UNIX system in binary mode, so the lines end
>with LF rather than CRLF -- DOS does not recognize the line boundaries and
>therefore Kermit does not see valid patches.  Cure: make sure each line ends
>with CRLF.  Fix it in an editor, or re-transfer the file in text mode.
>
>Also, remember there is no longer a need to rename the patch file to
>MSKERMIT.PCH.  Since there are now three different Kermit executables, there
>must be three corresponding patch files.  For version 3.14, these are:
>
>  MSR314.PCH  -- For full-featured KERMIT.EXE
>  MSRM314.PCH -- For "medium-size" KERMITE.EXE
>  MSRL314.PCH -- For "Kermit Lite" KERLITE.EXE
>
>Notice that each patch file includes the version number as part of its
>name.  This allows you to run different versions of Kermit without confusion
>about patching.
>
>- Frank
>

Thanks to you and Armand (in later posting concerning patch indication)
for your help with "Patch" installation. You were correct in
indicating that patch file was in "UNIX" format rather than "DOS".
I used a unix2dos utility to convert the <CR> to <CR><LF> and now
the patch file installs correctly, leaving me at:

   Installing patches...
    MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 3
   MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File...

I transferred the patch files in "binary" mode originally, since
I was concerned that it might need to be that way to perform the
patch process. I guessed wrong.

To help reduce this sort of problem in the future, I wonder if it
might be a good idea to post a .zip archive of patches only, in
addition to the unix format text files. The patches in the archive
could be in the proper DOS format, as they are in the original
distribution archive. I think if I had the choice to get one archive
or the individual files, I would probably go for the archive. Are
the .pch files used on any system other than DOS? C-Kermit is compiled,
so patches wouldn't seem to be needed there.

A FAQ file was mentioned. Is that a part of the "printed" documentation,
or is it available in on-line form? I haven't really seen a FAQ file for
Kermit, but I haven't really be searching for it either. Guess I need to
look for one.

Again thanks for the help. Kermit has always been a valuable resource to
me, even from the earliest v2.26 (DOS) that I used.

-- 
cdl [ac388@lafn.org] ...

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Can somebody help me with a basic question? (The help desk at my system
is not occupied at this hour, and the on-line documentation is not 
up-to-date.)

What are the basic commands needed for preparing Unix to send/receive 
files using zmodem? I know I'm supposed to start with sz, but 
thereafter?


Thanks!





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weisek@source.asset.com (Kevin Weise) writes:

| Sorry I didn't get in on the beginning of this thread, so I don't know
| the execution environment.  However, what it sounds like to me is PON
| over POTS (i.e., plain ol' noise over plain old telephone service).  Are
| you using a modem and dialing over standard telephone lines?  If so, it
| must be noise (esp. if the modem is more than a few years old), and
| Kermit is *not* the problem.  More modern modems, esp. those with error-
| correction, do a terrific job of cleaning that nasty noise up, but only 
| if they are talking with an equivalent error-correcting modem.  If you 
| are using a PC on an Ethernet link (with or without a terminal server), 
| then I'm stumped as to what the problem could be.

Well I switched back to kermit (188) and the problem went away.  The 
problem only manifested itself on the "nn" newsreader anyway, so
I thought maybe there was an incommpatibility.  :(  I am using the
new USR 28.8 internal modem.  Maybe that's the problem.  :(
Oh well.


-- 
jzero@netcom.com

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In article <1995Feb6.183614.24901@lafn.org>,
Charles Lease <ac388@lafn.org> wrote:
>A FAQ file was mentioned. Is that a part of the "printed" documentation,
>or is it available in on-line form? I haven't really seen a FAQ file for
>Kermit, but I haven't really be searching for it either. Guess I need to
>look for one.
>
It's online:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT

or:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/e/faq.txt

- Frank
