From news@columbia.edu Sun May 28 12:43:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 30 May 1995 03:24:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 30 May 1995 03:24:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!news.dell.com!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Message-Id: <1995May28.184313.52593@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 May 95 18:43:13 MDT References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> <1995May25.195311.52307@cc.usu.edu> <3qau77$d4g@amhux3.amherst.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qau77$d4g@amhux3.amherst.edu>, jwmanly@unix.amherst.edu (John W. Manly) writes: > What we have diagnosed in this "unable to find hardware, using BIOS" > situation is that it's a timing related thing. If we try to access the port > via a SET PORT command or a CONNECT right after Kermit starts up, it fails > fairly reliably. But if we wait two or three seconds after Kermit starts, > the connection works just fine. It looks for all the world as if Windows > is just taking to long to "let go" of the serial port (or initialize its > emulation). > > The really frustrating thing is that you can't just put a PAUSE or WAIT > command in the MSKERMIT.INI file to cause the necessary delay -- those > commands don't work either -- Kermit just zips by them as if they weren't > there during this period before the serial interface is enabled. > > So what we finally did, for those machines where this happens (and it happens > by no means to all of them) is insert a "Press RETURN to continue" message > at the beginning of the MSKERMIT.INI file, which seems to provide enough time > for Windows to do whatever it needs to do for Kermit's SET PORT command to > work. I thought about just writing a counting loop, but decided it wasn't > worth the hassle since I would have to worry about the relative speed of > the machine to make sure it didn't take too long on slow machines, but didn't > complete too quickly (before SET PORT would work) for fast ones. > > - John W. Manly Amherst College ----------- I repeated the exercise here too. I happen to use a Hayes ESP serial board with its Windows drivers. Two observations. First, indeed Windows declines to cooperate in sampling the serial port for IBM-PC-UART-ness during the first attempt. My system says MSK can't validate the IRQ for COM1. Secondly, PAUSE opens the serial port because the command was designed to work with modem scripts and thus keep echoed material showing on the screen. SLEEP does the same waiting without touching the comms channel. Then, both PAUSE and SLEEP do work fine in a Kermit startup file. What you stated as zipping right through was really Windows starting Kermit from some gosh awful place, such as \Windows, and MSK never saw it's initialization file(s). Verify by SHOW MACRO or SHOW VARIABLE to see only the built-ins, or stick in a ECHO HELLO in a startup file. The way I force Windows to let MSK startup normally is in the MSK PIF file I add the phrase -f drive\path\mskermit.ini (choose your favorite file) in the "startup options" box. That is the command line passed to MSK and then MSK knows how to find the file(s) at startup time. Thus, there are at least two things happening here. One is the mysterious startup directory available to Kermit, solved by stating the fully qualified name of the startup file on the line which invokes Kermit. The other is Windows appears to be sitting on the serial port until bumped hard twice. You may want to experiment with serial port settings in win.ini to see if Windows can be told to stay away from the port. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 13:08:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 30 May 1995 09:09:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 30 May 1995 09:08:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit cron job Date: 30 May 1995 13:08:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3qf5d8$544@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Dr Keith Howells wrote: : : I have written a command file to automate connection to a remote : computer for a specific period in order to allow collection of : mail. The command file works fine if I run it thus: : : kermit kermit_command_file : : from the command line, hanging up at the end and exiting : kermit, but will not run as cron job. The error: : ------ : Your "cron" job : : kermit blah > /home/me/junk : : produced the following output: : : sh: 25421 Memory fault - core dumped : -------- : is mailed to me. : I have tried running the command from a shell script with all the : environmental variables - still no luck. Redirecting the : standard output as above does not help either. : ... : I'm using C-Kermit 5A for SunOs 4.1. : C-Kermit is supposed to run correctly in cron jobs without any special handling other than redirecting stdout. It does here, and under the same operating system as you are using (but possibly at a different revision and/or patch level). Please send email directly to kermit.columbia.edu stating the exact C-Kermit version number, the last hundred lines or so of the debug.log file (include "-d" on the command line), and, if possible, a traceback from the core file. By the way, the current release of C-Kermit is 5A(190). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 13:55:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 30 May 1995 09:55:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 30 May 1995 09:55:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? Date: 30 May 1995 13:55:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3qf84e$abg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : I would like to upgrade Kermit on my VAX. At the moment I have a stone- : aged version of Kermit-32 (1984 or something like that). With MS-Kermit : 3.14 I tried to upload some programms to the VAX with settings like: : - packetlength 94 : - no linking shift (or something simular) : - set block 1-bit (also tried 2-bit) : - file type binary (of course) : : The uploads went fine. I reached a 23% troughput at a 9600 bps line (VT220), : found no particular errors (only at the end Kermit-32 complained about bad : packets). : : When I run the program, I get: "error activating image zip.exe" and : "image header description length is invalid" (in this example I uploaded : unzip.exe for VAX/VMS, 54k). : : Anybody any idea? : Yes, please run the version of Kermit that is current and supported for VMS, C-Kermit 5A(190). Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f, get the file ckvaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. About ZIP files and VMS -- because they are created with a text-type record format (Stream_LF), even though they are binary files, you have to tell C-Kermit to "set file type image" when transferring them. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 04:43:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 30 May 1995 09:58:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 30 May 1995 09:58:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!usenet From: drizzt@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Lachlan O'Dea) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Transfer rate? Date: 30 May 1995 04:43:04 GMT Organization: Monash University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3qe7oo$40q@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Reply-To: drizzt@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Lachlan O'Dea) Nntp-Posting-Host: mts04-modem08.cc.monash.edu.au X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I've just started using Kermit recently, and I was wondering what a typical transfer rate would be. I'm using a SLIP link over a 14.4k modem at 19200 DTE speed. Here's what I'm getting: > Current Directory: D:\tmp >Network Host: ccds.cc.monash.edu.au:23 >Network Type: TCP/IP >Parity: none > > Receiving: IDE-B14.ZIP => ide-b14.zip >File Type: BINARY >File Size: 209103 >Percent Done: 100 >Elapsed Time: 00:04:00 >Transfer Rate, CPS: 871 >Window Slots: 1 of 4 >Packet Type: B >Packet Count: 139 >Packet Length: 6 >Error Count: 0 >Last Error: >Last Message: Files: 1, Total Bytes: 209103 My ftp client usually reports about 1.5 k/s, and I was wondering if there were any handy tips for increasing the transfer rate of Kermit. TIA. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Lachlan O'Dea | OS/2 Warp. Make it so. Internet: drizzt@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au | Member of Team OS/2 --------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 14:07:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 30 May 1995 10:07:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 30 May 1995 10:07:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transfer rate? Date: 30 May 1995 14:07:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3qf8r0$bet@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qe7oo$40q@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qe7oo$40q@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>, Lachlan O'Dea wrote: : Hi, I've just started using Kermit recently, and I was wondering what a : typical transfer rate would be. I'm using a SLIP link over a 14.4k : modem at 19200 DTE speed. Here's what I'm getting: : : Transfer Rate, CPS: 871 : Window Slots: 1 of 4 : : My ftp client usually reports about 1.5 k/s, and I was wondering if : there were any handy tips for increasing the transfer rate of Kermit. : Sure. Start by reading the Kermit FAQ at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 21:05:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 30 May 1995 17:05:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 30 May 1995 17:05:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Fixes for Kermit-CMS Date: 30 May 1995 21:05:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3qg1a4$1ko@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Four new updates have been released for Kermit-CMS, one an optional "work-around" and three unconditional. Although SimWare's software protocol-conversion products known as SIM3270 have included "full" 7171 compatibililty for several years, it seems that a change in Kermit-370 around level 4.2.2 "broke" that compatibility for at least some of the SIM3270 products. Update SC95130 (found in IKCKER BWR) can be applied to solve this problem for sites running SimWare products. The other updates apply to some rather obscure bugs: (1) the new features of RESEND and using the transmitted time tag in CMS interfered with each other, (2) turning DEBUG on interfered with RESEND when the user's A-disk was SFS, and (3) any kind of file transfer would stop execution of a TAKE file when TAKE ERROR-ACTION was HALT. To affected users, these bugs are a problem, but most users aren't affected. Thus, the updates have been placed in IKCKER NUP for public availability, but no new official release has been made. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 18:58:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 30 May 1995 21:54:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00474 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 30 May 1995 21:54:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!sundog.tiac.net!usenet From: John Costello Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 'Get' Command Date: 30 May 1995 18:58:43 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3qfpt4$937@sundog.tiac.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.89.176.210 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to write an application that dials a kermit server and downloads a file. I purchase a VBX that handles the dialing and the basic kermit protocol. I am having problems figuring out how to send the 'GET FILENAME' to the server. Can anyone help me figure out what the command is at the packet level? Thanks, John Costello jpc@unix.restrac.com From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 15:40:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 00:14:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 00:14:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Patches for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Date: 30 May 1995 11:40:43 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3qfe9r$bb0@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3q0fmk$63t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Patches Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3q0fmk$63t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : :Some minor corrections have been made to MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 in the :form of patches, new executables, and documentation. Thanks, as always, [stuff deleted] :Patches apply to both the 18 January and the 21 May executables: [more stuff deleted] Could you please point me to where these new versions are located? I just checked kermit.columbia.edu and they still that the 1-18-95 executable and archive and the 1-23-95 patches. Thanks. --Jerry -- 8) Jerry Alexandratos % "Nothing inhabits my (8 8) darkstar@strauss.udel.edu % thoughts, and oblivion (8 8) darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu % drives my desires." (8 From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 23:43:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 03:32:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 03:32:21 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!EU.net!sun4nl!!avdpeijl From: avdpeijl@.inter.NL.net (Arthur_van_der_Peijl) Subject: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: asp98-4.amsterdam.nl.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Sender: news@inter.nl.net (News at news) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: NLnet X-Newsreader: GoldED/2 2.50.A0517+ References: <3qf84e$abg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 23:43:31 GMT Lines: 31 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >: Anybody any idea? FC> Yes, please run the version of Kermit that is current and supported FC> for VMS, C-Kermit 5A(190). Sorry I didn't state that right: I would like to upgrade, but I have to get my files on the VMS system. To try it, I tried zip.exe (54k large) as a try-out. Didn't succeed. FC> Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f, get the FC> file ckvaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. In that file I found this: VAX AXP Network CKVVKER.XXX CKVAKER.XXX No network support, VMS 5.x and later ^^^^^^ I think this must be CKVKER.EXE. I couldn't find any other file in kermit/bin. But as I already stated: I can't upgrade at the moment because I can't upload any file to the system. FC> About ZIP files and VMS -- because they are created with a text-type FC> record format (Stream_LF), even though they are binary files, you have FC> to tell C-Kermit to "set file type image" when transferring them. Hmmm, thanks for the tip, I hope to use it in future..... Regards, Arthur van der Peijl From news@columbia.edu Mon May 29 12:14:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 05:04:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 05:04:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? Message-Id: <1995May29.181428.52632@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 May 95 18:14:28 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , avdpeijl@inter.NL.net writes: > Hello everybody, > > I would like to upgrade Kermit on my VAX. At the moment I have a stone-aged > version of Kermit-32 (1984 or something like that). With MS-Kermit 3.14 I tried > to upload some programms to the VAX with settings like: > - packetlength 94 > - no linking shift (or something simular) > - set block 1-bit (also tried 2-bit) > - file type binary (of course) > > The uploads went fine. I reached a 23% troughput at a 9600 bps line (VT220), > found no particular errors (only at the end Kermit-32 complained about bad > packets). > > When I run the program, I get: > "error activating image zip.exe" and "image header description length is invalid" > (in this example I uploaded unzip.exe for VAX/VMS, 54k). ------- Kermit-32 is indeed from the paleolithic era. It does not understand how to pick up the file transfer mode from modern clients. Thus you sent the file and Kermit-32 stored it as text or similar, and that's why the results won't run. By all means, upgrade to C Kermit 5A(190) for VMS. Visit kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/c-kermit; a version is ready to go from there. In the meanwhile explicitly control Kermit-32 before sending more files at it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 20:06:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16439 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 06:42:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 06:42:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? Message-Id: <1995May31.010617.7767@ais.com> Date: 31 May 95 01:06:17 EST References: Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , avdpeijl@inter.NL.net writes: > Hello everybody, > > I would like to upgrade Kermit on my VAX. At the moment I have a stone-aged > version of Kermit-32 (1984 or something like that). With MS-Kermit 3.14 I > tried to upload some programms to the VAX with settings like: > - packetlength 94 > - no linking shift (or something simular) > - set block 1-bit (also tried 2-bit) > - file type binary (of course) > > The uploads went fine. I reached a 23% troughput at a 9600 bps line (VT220), > found no particular errors (only at the end Kermit-32 complained about bad > packets). > > When I run the program, I get: > "error activating image zip.exe" and "image header description length is > invalid" (in this example I uploaded unzip.exe for VAX/VMS, 54k). Try doing a SET FILE TYPE FIXED in Kermit-32 before you upload the zip.exe file. The default file type has varying-length records which are not allowed for executable images. Most likely the other settings had nothing to do with your problem; you will however get more reliable transfers if you set BLOCK to 2 or 3 (this is the block check algorithm, and 1 is very minimal but usually adequate for short packets. You would still be advised to use one of the more advanced block check methods that are less subject to letting bad data through). Locking shifts are purely a transfer speed issue; I don't know if such an old version of Kermit-32 would support them (in fact I'm unsure offhand if _any_ version of Kermit-32 supported them), but they are certainly not your problem. Note that you need to have been very careful about transferring the zip.exe file to the PC in the first place. It needs to be an exact binary copy of the file on the VAX (without the implied record boundaries every 512 bytes, of course). Many methods of transferring the file will cause it to be corrupted: for example, if its path included being copied as a text file by Kermit or FTP, then it may have extra CR/LF pairs added or existing CRs or LFs in the file modified into CR/LF pairs. This will make the file unuseable as an executable file under VMS. C-Kermit for VMS is an enormous improvement over Kermit-32 - you should try to get hold of it as soon as possible. Good luck, Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 09:15:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 09:42:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 09:42:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uknet!doc.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: beep kills kermit Date: 30 May 1995 09:15:02 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3qenmm$654@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Yesterday I spend nearly four hours tracking down the reason modem dialing scripts were freezing. I eventually found that if I commented out the "echo \7" command in the dialer (sport.scr, ultra144.scr), the script would work! I've not been able to replicate this problem with other take files. This makes me think that the "echo \7" is trigger a fault that has been created earlier on. Any suggestions on how to proceed? The dialers are working correctly at the moment; I logged in with one to post this. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 18:28:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 14:28:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 14:28:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Patches for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Date: 31 May 1995 18:28:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3qicg7$5vh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3q0fmk$63t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3qfe9r$bb0@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Patches Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qfe9r$bb0@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos wrote: >... >Could you please point me to where these new versions are located? I >just checked kermit.columbia.edu and they still that the 1-18-95 >executable and archive and the 1-23-95 patches. > The original posting gave the location. Quoting: ... The new files are available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/msdos. The binary files are: kermit.exe - New full-featured Kermit program with ARP correction. kermit_p.exe - Ditto, but with Portuguese file-transfer screen legends. The text files are: READ.ME - Reproduced below, so you don't have to ftp it. ms*.pch - The various patch files. ... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 16:17:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 17:58:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24775 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 17:58:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!sun4nl!!avdpeijl From: avdpeijl@.inter.NL.net ("Arthur van der Peijl") Subject: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: asp98-4.amsterdam.nl.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: To: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Sender: news@inter.nl.net (News at news) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: NLnet X-Newsreader: GoldED/2 2.50.A0517+ References: <1995May29.181428.52632@cc.usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 16:17:55 GMT Lines: 29 jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: JD> Kermit-32 is indeed from the paleolithic era. It does not understand JD> how to pick up the file transfer mode from modern clients. Thus you JD> sent the file and Kermit-32 stored it as text or similar, and that's JD> why the results won't run. I sent it as a binary file (set file type binary), and the stored size seems to be the same as on my dos-system. JD> By all means, upgrade to C Kermit 5A(190) for VMS. That's my problems :-(. I would like to upload C-kermit to the VMS system. I need to use Kermit-32 one last time. JD> Visit kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/c-kermit; a version is JD> ready to go from there. Yep: I got ckvker.exe. That's NOT the one described in ckvaaa.hlp (which described ckvvker.exe). JD> In the meanwhile explicitly control Kermit-32 before sending more JD> files at it. Hmm. How? I wouldn't know what I could do else: set file type binary, set block 1-bit and set locking-shift off are the only command I can imagine. Regards, Arthur van der Peijl From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 01:03:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18309 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 18:17:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 18:17:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!mickey.acs.wmich.edu!tucker From: "John D. Tucker" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Piping output from "rem host" command Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 16:03:54 -0900 Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 27 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: moggie.acs.wmich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: tucker@gumby.cc.wmich.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to send a command to a remote computer and capture a brief (one line of characters) response from that computer for processing within a script. Reading the "Using MS-DOS Kermit" manual, I found that rem host [command] > d:\log\remote.out would capture the output from "[command]" in the file "d:\log\remote.out". However, when using the pipe symbol (instead of the redirection symbol), the symbol gets sent to the remote host rather than piping the output to some program. Any suggestions how I could get the response from the remote computer into a Kermit script variable, piped to a DOS command/executable, or otherwise made available WITHOUT the intermediate step of writing to a file? Even dumping the entire contents of the communications buffer would work as I could probably filter out what I want. Thank you. John D. Tucker Phone: (616) 387-5448 Systems Programmer Internet: john.tucker@wmich.edu University Computing Services Ham Radio: WB8ZVV/AA Western Michigan University ICBM Addr.: 42 17 30 N 85 35 14 W Kalamazoo, Michigan USA 49008 Audio Addr.: "Hey Tucker!" From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 23:05:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20810 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 19:05:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29107 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 19:05:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? Date: 31 May 1995 23:05:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3qiso7$sdf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995May29.181428.52632@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Arthur van der Peijl wrote: > JD> By all means, upgrade to C Kermit 5A(190) for VMS. > >That's my problems :-(. I would like to upload C-kermit to the VMS system. I >need to use Kermit-32 one last time. > > JD> Visit kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/c-kermit; a version is > JD> ready to go from there. > >Yep: I got ckvker.exe. That's NOT the one described in ckvaaa.hlp (which >described ckvvker.exe). > Sorry, my fault. It is the one you want; i.e. ckvker.exe == ckvvker.exe. Again, we don't support Kermit-32 any more, but you should be able to tell the file sender to "set file type binary", and then also tell Kermit-32 to "set file type binary" or (if that doesn't work) "set file type block" (the latter being a secret option), you should get a working C-Kermit. If all else fails, of course, you could order it from us on 9-track tape or TK50, and that way you would get a manual too :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 23:35:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 31 May 1995 19:35:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 31 May 1995 19:35:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Piping output from "rem host" command Date: 31 May 1995 23:35:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-Id: <3qiufk$16r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , John D. Tucker wrote: : I would like to send a command to a remote computer and capture a brief : (one line of characters) response from that computer for processing : within a script. Reading the "Using MS-DOS Kermit" manual, I found that : rem host [command] > d:\log\remote.out : would capture the output from "[command]" in the file "d:\log\remote.out". : However, when using the pipe symbol (instead of the redirection symbol), : the symbol gets sent to the remote host rather than piping the output to : some program. : : Any suggestions how I could get the response from the remote computer : into a Kermit script variable, piped to a DOS command/executable, or : otherwise made available WITHOUT the intermediate step of writing to a file? : Even dumping the entire contents of the communications buffer would work : as I could probably filter out what I want. : This is a tough one. Obviously, you COULD redirect to a DOS file and then read the file into an MS-DOS Kermit variable with OPEN READ, READ, CLOSE READ. But there is no general mechanism for getting arbitrary text from the server into a variable on the client. However, there is something close: the REMOTE QUERY command. If the text on the server side can be obtained from a built-in Kermit variable, a user-defined variable, or an environment variable, then REMOTE QUERY can get it. But there is no way, currently, of getting arbitrary text (the standard output of a program or command) into one of these variables. You would like to be able to do something like this (assuming the host was UNIX): remote assign \%a `command arg arg ...` remote query user \%a but this presently can't be done. Similarly: remote host FOO=`command arg arg ...` remote query system FOO can't be done because the environment variable disappears as soon as it is set (rules about manipulating superior processes). This is an idea for a future release of Kermit. Perhaps something like: \fsystem(text) runs the system command "text" and returns its standard output. But this will be a bit tricky, since the standard output could be any length at all, even gigabytes... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 20:43:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01852 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:01:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:01:56 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: very basic question Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 20:43:35 GMT Lines: 10 Sender: helios@netcom14.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Karen McEneaney (karenm@netcom.com) wrote: : How do I tell kermit that my file is a binary file? : If I just use "send" and "get", I get a bad packet : error over and over. The command corresponding to send is receive. You'd better start by reading the help files and "man" pages. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 20:46:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:02:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18375 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 00:02:10 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: MSK 3.14 and Windows - Success! Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 20:46:15 GMT Lines: 25 Sender: helios@netcom14.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The problem was this: After a Windows program (CompuServe Information Manager for Windows in my case) uses a COM port, Windows does not allow MS-Kermit 3.14 to test the port for UART characteristics on the first attempt. A second attempt succeeds if enough time has passed. I had found a way to test for the error in my MSCUSTOM.INI script, but I had not been able to correct the error under script control. Here is the MSCUSTOM.INI segment that finally succeeded. Among the errors in my previous attempts, I had tried to continue the "echo" line, which resulted in the next command's being ignored. I have not yet tried shorter sleep periods, but two seconds is not bad if it works! set com4 \x2e8 3 set port 4 ; Change if desired. If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR. if equal \v(port) Bios4 - echo {Trying "set port 4" again} if equal \v(port) Bios4 - sleep 2, set port 4 if equal \v(port) Bios4 - fatal {Try repeating TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI} -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 20:22:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10542 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 03:58:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 03:58:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!boulder!spot.Colorado.EDU!grubin From: grubin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rick Grubin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Automating kermit session in a shell script Date: 30 May 1995 20:22:49 GMT Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 21 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3qfuqp$l9f@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to automate a kermit session between two hosts in a shell script (or DOS batch file, either way is acceptable). The two computers in question are connected directly via a serial connection (null modem cable) or via a local network. The goal is to have one computer (either a DOS or Unix host) connect to a Unix computer, establish a remote kermit server, jump back to the connect-initiating computer, send files, and then finish the remote server on the Unix computer. I can do this manually, with no difficulty. I am struggling with getting past the "login/password" sequence on the remote Unix computer, as well as the "escape back to initiating computer" character sequence, in both Unix shell script and DOS batch files. Any help with automating this procedure from DOS batch files or Unix shell scripts would be most appreciated. Thank you in advance. -- Rick Grubin grubin@spot.colorado.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 08:47:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 05:47:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 05:47:03 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: How to setup a tn3270 connection by using kermit 3.13 Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3qabld$1c2c@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <1995May28.123813.52580@cc.usu.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:47:41 GMT Lines: 140 Sender: jhurwit@netcom22.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995May28.123813.52580@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: >In article <3qabld$1c2c@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, Yao-Chiang Kan writes: >> Hi, there: >> I use the kermit 3.13 and packet driver to connect my office >> pc to campus hosts. There is no problem to connect to a Sun >> machine. However, I cannot connect to IBM mainframe. It might >> because I don't use the correct 3270 mapping. >> Please help me if you know how to set it up. >----------- > 3270's are vastly different animals than VTxxx's. Don't even >try it. See if your IBM mainframe has a VT100 class entry point and >go from there. If you can access your IBM through a 7171 protocol converter (through a dial-up connection or otherwise) that is set up to do VT100, you can use the following to map your keyboard to emulate 3270 keys (assuming that the 7171 is set up to recognize these escape sequences): ; Function keys ; PC KEY 3270 KEY set key \315 \{27}1 ; F1 PFK1 set key \316 \{27}2 ; F2 PFK2 set key \317 \{27}3 ; F3 PFK3 set key \318 \{27}4 ; F4 PFK4 set key \319 \{27}5 ; F5 PFK5 set key \320 \{27}6 ; F6 PFK6 set key \321 \{27}7 ; F7 PFK7 set key \322 \{27}8 ; F8 PFK8 set key \323 \{27}9 ; F9 PFK9 set key \324 \{27}0 ; F10 PFK10 set key \389 \{27}- ; F11 PFK11 set key \390 \{27}= ; F12 PFK12 ; ; Shift-Function keys ; PC KEY 3270 KEY set key \852 \{27}q ; Shift-F1 PFK13 set key \853 \{27}w ; Shift-F2 PFK14 set key \854 \{27}e ; Shift-F3 PFK15 set key \855 \{27}r ; Shift-F4 PFK16 set key \856 \{27}t ; Shift-F5 PFK17 set key \857 \{27}y ; Shift-F6 PFK18 set key \858 \{27}u ; Shift-F7 PFK19 set key \859 \{27}i ; Shift-F8 PFK20 set key \860 \{27}o ; Shift-F9 PFK21 set key \861 \{27}p ; Shift-F10 PFK22 set key \903 \{27}[ ; Shift-F11 PFK23 set key \904 \{27}] ; Shift-F12 PFK24 ; ; Ctrl-Function keys ; PC KEY 3270 KEY set key \1374 \{27}, ; Ctrl-F1 PA1 set key \1375 \{27}OM ; Ctrl-F2 Clear set key \1376 \{27}` ; Ctrl-F3 IBM 7171 setup functs set key \1377 \{27}`\{27}OM ; Ctrl-F4 clear tabs home margin set key \1378 \{27}\{27}OA ; Ctrl-F5 indent margin set key \1379 \{27}\{127} ; Ctrl-F6 erase EOF set key \1380 \{27}\{27}OB ; Ctrl-F7 undent margin set key \1381 \7 ; Ctrl-F8 7171 master reset set key \1382 \{27}`c ; Ctrl-F9 activate column tabs set key \1383 \{27}`C ; Ctrl-F10 restore field tabs set key \1417 \{27}`\9 ; Ctrl-F11 set tab stop set key \1418 \{27}`\{127} ; Ctrl-F12 delete tab stop ; ; Alt-Function keys ; PC KEY ? ;et key \2408 ? ; Alt-F1 ? ;et key \2409 ? ; Alt-F2 ? ;et key \2410 ? ; Alt-F3 ? ;et key \2411 ? ; Alt-F4 ? ;et key \2412 ? ; Alt-F5 ? ;et key \2413 ? ; Alt-F6 ? ;et key \2414 ? ; Alt-F7 ? ;et key \2415 ? ; Alt-F8 ? ;et key \2416 ? ; Alt-F9 ? ;et key \2417 ? ; Alt-F10 ? ;et key \2443 ? ; Alt-F11 ? ;et key \2444 ? ; Alt-F12 ? ; ; Numeric Keypad ; PC KEY 3270 KEY set key \339 \{127} ; Del (kp.) delete character set key \338 \{27}On ; Ins (kp0) insert mode toggle set key \335 \10 ; End (kp1) newline set key \336 \{27}OB ; down arrow (kp2) cursor down set key \337 \KterminalR ; PgDn (kp3) download pc receive set key \331 \{27}OD ; left arrow (kp4) cursor left set key \332 \kmodeline ; blank (kp5) kermit mode-line toggle set key \333 \{27}OC ; right arrow (kp6) cursor right set key \327 \8 ; Home (kp7) cursor home set key \328 \{27}OA ; up arrow (kp8) cursor up set key \329 \KterminalS ; PgUp (kp9) upload pc send ; set key \330 \{27}, ; keypad - PA1 set key \334 \{27}OM ; keypad + Clear set key \311 * ; keypad * * set key \4399 / ; keypad / / set key \4365 \13 ; keypad Enter Enter ; ; Shift-Numeric Keypad (NumLock) ; PC KEY 3270 KEY set key \851 . ; keypad . . set key \850 0 ; keypad 0 0 set key \847 1 ; keypad 1 1 set key \848 2 ; keypad 2 2 set key \849 3 ; keypad 3 3 set key \843 4 ; keypad 4 4 set key \844 5 ; keypad 5 5 set key \845 6 ; keypad 6 6 set key \839 7 ; keypad 7 7 set key \840 8 ; keypad 8 8 set key \841 9 ; keypad 9 9 ; ; Grey Keypad ; PC KEY 3270 KEY set key \4435 \{127} ; grey Delete delete character set key \4434 \{27}On ; grey Insert insert mode toggle set key \4431 \10 ; grey End newline set key \4432 \{27}OB ; grey down arrow cursor down set key \4433 \{27}8 ; grey Page Down PFK8 set key \4427 \{27}OD ; grey left arrow cursor left set key \4429 \{27}OC ; grey right arrow cursor right set key \4423 \8 ; grey Home cursor Home set key \4424 \{27}OA ; grey up arrow cursor up set key \4425 \{27}7 ; grey Page Up PFK7 ; ; Backspace, tabs ; PC KEY 3270 KEY set key \270 \{27}OD ; Backspace <--- non-destructive backsp set key \127 \{127}\{27}OD ; Ctrl-Backspace destructive backspace ;et key \782 ? ; Shift-Backspace ? ;et key \2318 ? ; Alt-Backspace ? ; set key \9 \9 ; Tab -->| tab set key \783 \{27}\9 ; Shift-Tab |<-- backtab ;et key \1428 ? ; Ctrl-Tab ? ;et key \2469 ? ; Alt-Tab ? From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 19:55:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:00:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:00:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!pacbell.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news3.near.net!noc.near.net!ileaf!nes.iddis.com!news.iddis.com!iddptm From: iddptm@jaeger.iddis.com (Paul T. Marquis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Windows specific version of kermit. Date: 31 May 1995 19:55:03 GMT Organization: IDD Information Services Lines: 6 Message-Id: Reply-To: pmarquis@iddis.com Nntp-Posting-Host: jaeger.iddis.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I downloaded verion 0.80a of the MS-Windows verson of Kermit some time ago but have forgotten where I got it. Can anyone tell me where I might find it as well as the Windows-NT version? Thanks very much. -- Paul, the Edge, Marquis pmarquis@iddis.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 12:56:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22953 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:56:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:56:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Automating kermit session in a shell script Date: 1 Jun 1995 12:56:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3qkde6$quu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qfuqp$l9f@cuboulder.colorado.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qfuqp$l9f@cuboulder.colorado.edu>, Rick Grubin wrote: : I would like to automate a kermit session between two hosts : in a shell script (or DOS batch file, either way is acceptable). : The two computers in question are connected directly via a serial : connection (null modem cable) or via a local network. The goal : is to have one computer (either a DOS or Unix host) connect to : a Unix computer, establish a remote kermit server, jump back to : the connect-initiating computer, send files, and then finish the : remote server on the Unix computer. : : I can do this manually, with no difficulty. I am struggling : with getting past the "login/password" sequence on the remote : Unix computer, as well as the "escape back to initiating computer" : character sequence, in both Unix shell script and DOS batch files. : Any help with automating this procedure from DOS batch files or : Unix shell scripts would be most appreciated. Thank you in advance. : This is the most common use of Kermit scripts, and it is quite straightforward. It is explained in complete detail in either one of the manuals, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using C-Kermit", and illustrated with numerous examples. UNIX C-Kermit even comes with scripts that log in to various kinds of systems for you. Please purchase one of these manuals and read about script programming. It will make you into a self-sufficient script programmer, and you will be contributing to the health of the Kermit project. Also make sure you have up to date versions of the software: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14; C-Kermit 5A(190) (for OS/2 it's 5A(191)). About your question. Here is a hint. In a script program, you do not CONNECT or escape back. Instead, you use INPUT and OUTPUT commands to "read" and "type" what you would read and type by hand. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 13:05:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:05:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:05:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Windows specific version of kermit. Date: 1 Jun 1995 13:05:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 78 Message-Id: <3qkdv4$rlj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Paul T. Marquis wrote: >I downloaded verion 0.80a of the MS-Windows verson of Kermit some time ago >but have forgotten where I got it. Can anyone tell me where I might find >it as well as the Windows-NT version? Thanks very much. > This is a Frequently Asked Question, which is answered in our FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt Information about Kermit is easily accessible on the Web at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ To answer your question: The only version of Kermit we recommend and support for Windows, including Windows NT, is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Even though it is a DOS program, it runs fine in Windows and works better than most Windows-specific communications software programs. Although it lacks the pleasant graphical user interface that so many people want, it still gets the job done. And since when using communications software, you are usually in text mode anyway (in a terminal emulation window), the GUI aspects are not as important as in other types of applications. The other problem with MS-DOS Kermit in Windows is that it can not coexist with nor use Winsock when making TCP/IP connections. We are sensitive to this issue and hope to do something about it as soon as we can. MS-DOS DOS Kermit 3.14 is available via: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please purchase the manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 1993 414414 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) French and German language editions are also available. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 13:12:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:13:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:13:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to setup a tn3270 connection by using kermit 3.13 Date: 1 Jun 1995 13:12:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3qkecn$s8j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qabld$1c2c@msunews.cl.msu.edu> <1995May28.123813.52580@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: >>In article <3qabld$1c2c@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, >>Yao-Chiang Kan writes: >>> I use the kermit 3.13 and packet driver to connect my office >>> pc to campus hosts. There is no problem to connect to a Sun >>> machine. However, I cannot connect to IBM mainframe. It might >>> because I don't use the correct 3270 mapping. >>> Please help me if you know how to set it up. > > If you can access your IBM through a 7171 protocol converter > (through a dial-up connection or otherwise) that is set up to do > VT100, you can use the following to map your keyboard to emulate > 3270 keys (assuming that the 7171 is set up to recognize these > escape sequences): > This question is addressed in our FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt It actually doesn't do much good to post a 3270 key mapping because, as the FAQ points out, no two sites are likely to use the same one. The only 3270 key mapping that will work at a particular site is the one which is configured in the protocol converter, and that can be absolutely anything at all. For example, at one site, the cursor-up function -- which you would probably want to assign to the up-arrow key -- would need to send the DEC VT terminal sequence ESC O A or ESC [ A or ESC A (depend on the VT model and cursor keypad mode). But at another site, which likes to use EMACS-style mappings, the cursor-up function might be Ctrl-P. There is no way to know what your 3270 protocol converter expects from the terminal other than to ask your site administrators, who configured the device. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 08:29:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:22:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 14:22:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!martha.utk.edu!utcvm.utc.edu!KCHEN From: KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Japanese Character Set for MS-Kermit 3.14 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 95 12:29:27 EDT Organization: The University of Tennessee, Chattanooga Lines: 7 Message-Id: <173B0AFA7S86.KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: utcvm.utc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello to all! Does any one know where to get the necessary character sets for MS-Kermit 3.14 so it'll display Japanese Kanji characters on my PC terminal?? Any help will be appreciated!! Kuan Chen From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 17:17:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:00:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:00:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 1 Jun 1995 17:17:17 GMT From: swong@pobox.com (Sylvia Wong) Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3qk3mm$c91@news.asiaonline.net> Control: cancel <3qk3mm$c91@news.asiaonline.net> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 20:49:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22056 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:50:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:50:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Japanese Character Set for MS-Kermit 3.14 Date: 1 Jun 1995 20:49:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ql95n$81r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <173B0AFA7S86.KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <173B0AFA7S86.KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu>, wrote: >Does any one know where to get the necessary character sets for >MS-Kermit 3.14 so it'll display Japanese Kanji characters on my >PC terminal?? Any help will be appreciated!! > You must run DOS/V (Japanese DOS for IBM and compatible PCs). Then in Kermit, just give the appropriate character-set commands. For a full description of Kanji terminal emulation, read the KERMIT.UPD file in your KERMIT directory, and/or read the articles in Kermit News #6, which is available on the Web as: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html Note: there is also a special Kanji version of Kermit available for the NEC PC9801. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 06:03:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07124 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:19:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:19:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!bcsystems!bcsystems!nntp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: mode: remote in OS/2 via IP Message-Id: <1995Jun1.130312.6666@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca> From: rkogelheide@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ryan Kogelheide) Date: 1 Jun 95 13:03:11 PDT Reply-To: rkogelheide@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ryan Kogelheide) Distribution: world Organization: Province of BC, Attorney General, Court Services Branch Keywords: TCP/IP, OS/2, Remote Server, TELNETD Summary: How do I get a remote server running under OS/2 TCP/IP? Nntp-Posting-Host: csbreq01.ag.gov.bc.ca X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running 5A(191) for OS/2 2.30 32-bit Numeric: 501191 under WARP FP with IBM TCP/IP 2.0 (UN64092) with the LS 4.0 - MPTS stack. I can't get the SET LINE to clear from COM1:. The updates manual has the following line: "However, at present you cannot transfer files between your local Kermit program and OS/2 C-Kermit when TELNET'd to OS/2 due to restrictions in the OS/2 TELNET server." Does this mean that I can't get a remote OS/2 server to work? Does anybody know a workaround? Does anybody know when a solution's coming? From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 2 03:56:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:56:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:56:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mode: remote in OS/2 via IP Date: 2 Jun 1995 03:56:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3qm24g$4hb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jun1.130312.6666@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: TCP/IP, OS/2, Remote Server, TELNETD Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun1.130312.6666@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca>, Ryan Kogelheide wrote: >I'm running 5A(191) for OS/2 2.30 32-bit Numeric: 501191 under >WARP FP with IBM TCP/IP 2.0 (UN64092) with the LS 4.0 - MPTS >stack. I can't get the SET LINE to clear from COM1:. > >The updates manual has the following line: > >"However, at present you cannot transfer files between your local >Kermit program and OS/2 C-Kermit when TELNET'd to OS/2 due to >restrictions in the OS/2 TELNET server." > >Does this mean that I can't get a remote OS/2 server to work? Does >anybody know a workaround? Does anybody know when a solution's >coming? IBM Telnetd does not provide a clean data path since they have to translate all input from keyboard scancodes to the Dec Multinational character set and all incoming characters are mapped from Dec multinational to code page 850. Therefore, a remote mode Kermit operation as on Unix is not possible. However, remote connections are possible when using the SET HOST *:port command. Read the Updates TCP/IP section. Be sure to use a port number not listed in the ETC/SERVICES file. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 13:52:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:46:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07817 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:46:03 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!karenm From: karenm@netcom.com (Karen McEneaney) Subject: very basic question Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 13:52:03 GMT Lines: 8 Sender: karenm@netcom13.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How do I tell kermit that my file is a binary file? If I just use "send" and "get", I get a bad packet error over and over. Thanks, Karen From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 04:03:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16619 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 03:15:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 03:14:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? Message-Id: <1995May30.100307.52690@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 May 95 10:03:07 MDT References: <1995May29.181428.52632@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , avdpeijl@.inter.NL.net ("Arthur van der Peijl") writes: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > > JD> Kermit-32 is indeed from the paleolithic era. It does not understand > JD> how to pick up the file transfer mode from modern clients. Thus you > JD> sent the file and Kermit-32 stored it as text or similar, and that's > JD> why the results won't run. > > I sent it as a binary file (set file type binary), and the stored size seems to > be the same as on my dos-system. When transferring executables with Kermit-32, you need to set file type fixed. > That's my problems :-(. I would like to upload C-kermit to the VMS system. I > need to use Kermit-32 one last time. Another alternative is to upload the hexified version of kermit and the dehex program. This can be done in text mode. I recently had to bootstrap a system by uploading the hexified version of KERMIT-32 with MS-DOS Kermit's TRANSMIT command (C-Kermit is too large for this to work reliably; I did try) and then use KERMIT-32 to upload the hexified version of C-Kermit. FWIW, although KERMIT-32 is old, it is also a lot lighter on the system than C-Kermit; that's the primary reason I still keep it hanging around on my systems (ranging from VAX 2000s to 4000/90s). -- ----------------+------------------------------------------------------ Roger Ivie | "Did you know the AIDS spore can live in sweaters?" ivie@cc.usu.edu | -- Overheard at Hansen Planetarium From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 15:47:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 03:35:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 03:35:35 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!news1.fonorola.net!fonorola!torn!nott!cunews!boris!rmallett From: rmallett@boris.ccs.carleton.ca (Rick Mallett) Subject: Kermit scripting problems X-Nntp-Posting-Host: boris.carleton.ca Message-Id: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:47:17 GMT Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've written some scripts to automate upload using kermit for users of a text based menu interface to Unix. I prompt the users for a list of files to upload and I would like to allow responses such as the following: Enter list of files to upload: c:\autoexec.bat c:\temp\*.* I've run into a couple of problems and I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice. I'm using expect/tcl to automatically generate sequences of instructions such as the following: apc server set command quoting off remote cd c:\ get autoexec.bat remote cd c:\temp get *.* set command quoting on fin apc connect which will be executed by Unix kermit-5A-190 on the assumption that the remote machine is running MS-Kermit 3.14. One problem is that if the directory `c:\temp' does not exist the `get *.*' will upload all of the files in the current directory. I tried adding `if success get*.*' immediately after the command `remote cd c:\temp' but that doesn't work, presumably because the status on the remote machine is not available for checking. Is there any way for me to detect in a script if the `remote cd' worked or not, and if not, is there a better way to do this? I also found that `remote cd c:' was not the same as `remote cd c:\', so I appended `\' to the string but then `remote cd c:\temp\' seemed to fail. Is this a bug? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Mallett Carleton University Email address: rmallett@ccs.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue May 30 11:16:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19599 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 04:49:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 04:49:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Automating kermit session in a shell script Message-Id: <1995May30.171628.52777@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 May 95 17:16:28 MDT References: <3qfuqp$l9f@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> Distribution: na Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qfuqp$l9f@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU>, grubin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rick Grubin) writes: > > I would like to automate a kermit session between two hosts > in a shell script (or DOS batch file, either way is acceptable). > The two computers in question are connected directly via a serial > connection (null modem cable) or via a local network. The goal > is to have one computer (either a DOS or Unix host) connect to > a Unix computer, establish a remote kermit server, jump back to > the connect-initiating computer, send files, and then finish the > remote server on the Unix computer. > > I can do this manually, with no difficulty. I am struggling > with getting past the "login/password" sequence on the remote > Unix computer, as well as the "escape back to initiating computer" > character sequence, in both Unix shell script and DOS batch files. > Any help with automating this procedure from DOS batch files or > Unix shell scripts would be most appreciated. Thank you in advance. -------- Have you considered the best way might be to use the scripting language (sic) provided by Kermits? One end starts and does the login chatter, invokes the other Kermit, then swap files and other tall stories, then the script does the goodbyes. Have a look at the full documentation and explanation in the user's manuals, the "Using MS-DOS / C Kermit" books. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 17:45:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20995 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 05:38:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 05:38:12 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!cunews!boris!rmallett From: rmallett@boris.ccs.carleton.ca (Rick Mallett) Subject: Re: Kermit scripting problems X-Nntp-Posting-Host: boris.carleton.ca Message-Id: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 17:45:46 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is a followup to my own post about some kermit scripting problems I have encountered. I just realized that the question can be more preciously stated as follows: In writing a script to interact with a remote kermit server is there any way to determine the status of operations performed against that server. For example if I issue the command `remote cd c:\temp' is there any way to determine if it succeeded or failed. I would like to follow this with a statement such as `if success goto whereever' but this doesn't seem to work, presumably because `remote' is never considered to fail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Mallett Carleton University Email address: rmallett@ccs.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 06:39:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 05:51:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 05:51:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit scripting problems Message-Id: <1995May31.123930.52861@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 May 95 12:39:30 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , rmallett@boris.carleton.ca (Rick Mallett) writes: > I've written some scripts to automate upload using kermit for > users of a text based menu interface to Unix. I prompt the users for a > list of files to upload and I would like to allow responses such as > the following: > > Enter list of files to upload: c:\autoexec.bat c:\temp\*.* > > I've run into a couple of problems and I was wondering if anyone > could give me some advice. I'm using expect/tcl to automatically > generate sequences of instructions such as the following: > > apc server > set command quoting off > remote cd c:\ > get autoexec.bat > remote cd c:\temp > get *.* > set command quoting on > fin > apc connect > > which will be executed by Unix kermit-5A-190 on the assumption that > the remote machine is running MS-Kermit 3.14. > > One problem is that if the directory `c:\temp' does not exist the > `get *.*' will upload all of the files in the current directory. > I tried adding `if success get*.*' immediately after the command > `remote cd c:\temp' but that doesn't work, presumably because the > status on the remot machine is not available for checking. Is > there any way for me to detect in a script if the `remote cd' > worked or not, and if not, is there a better way to do this? > I also found that `remote cd c:' was not the same as `remote cd c:\', > so I appended `\' to the string but then `remote cd c:\temp\' > seemed to fail. Is this a bug? ---------- No, it's not a bug. It's DOS syntax. cd c: means to the current directory on drive C (which DOS remembers), cd c:\ is to the root of drive C, etc. Only the root path ends on a backslash. Rather than issuing cd's just include the path with the wildcards, as in get c:\temp\*.*. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 2 13:23:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01628 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:24:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16068 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:23:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? Date: 2 Jun 1995 13:23:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3qn3d4$flg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995May29.181428.52632@cc.usu.edu> <1995May30.100307.52690@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995May30.100307.52690@cc.usu.edu>, Roger Ivie wrote: >... >FWIW, although KERMIT-32 is old, it is also a lot lighter on the system than >C-Kermit; that's the primary reason I still keep it hanging around on my >systems (ranging from VAX 2000s to 4000/90s). > Kermit-32 is smaller than C-Kermit because it does less. But it's old and no longer supported. I don't know anybody that can even compile it. And if it works on Alphas, it's a miracle. If people want a "C-Kermit Lite" for VMS -- no frills, no outgoing connections, no script programming language, no character sets, etc -- i.e. a C-Kermit equivalent of Kermit-32, but with the advanced file-transfer protocol features, it could be arranged. Would that be enough to make you finally all put away your copies of Kermit-32? Well, in all candor, there is some other low-level i/o work that needs to be done in VMS C-Kermit that could reduce the CPU load a bit, but this requires an expert VMS systems programmer (which I'm not). Any volunteers? Don't be shy :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 2 07:29:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:38:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:38:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!dmalin From: dmalin@interlog.com (David R Butler-Malin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit MAC?? Date: Fri, 02 Jun 95 07:29:25 GMT Organization: Interlog Internet Services -Voice (416) 975-2655 -Data 515-1414 Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: dmalin.interlog.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My background is in IBM-PC systems. I currently support kermit on numerous systems within our company. I have just been handed the few MAC's we have in the building and asked to bring them up on our current environment. Does Kermit exist in a MAC format? If you can help, it would be most appreciated. Thanks Dave R Butler-Malin dmalin@interlog.com Toronto, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 09:30:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:51:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26830 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:51:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!xlink100!ka.sub.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!news.uni-ulm.de!news.belwue.de!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!w254zrz.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!jenabeee From: jenabeee@w254zrz.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE (Joachim von Jena) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: rz script with non-standard COM port under MSkermit 3.14 Date: 1 Jun 1995 09:30:40 GMT Organization: Technical University Berlin, Germany Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3qk1c0$32c@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE> Nntp-Posting-Host: w254zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please compare the kermit defintions for RZ download: define rz run D:\COMM1\DSZ\dsz F ha on port 2 G rz -rr define rz run D:\COMM1\DSZ\dsz F ha on portx 2f8,3 G rz -r they should be equivalent but aren't! If I use the second definition for rz an error message of dsz appears. Of course I don't really need the second line but I want to configure a COM3 port with port address 2e8 on IRQ5. Any comments highly appreciated. -Joachim von Jena email jenabeee@sp.zrz.tu-berlin.de d From news@columbia.edu Wed May 31 15:29:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07150 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:36:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:36:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!emf.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: beep kills kermit Message-Id: <1995May31.212913.52915@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 May 95 21:29:13 MDT References: <3qenmm$654@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qenmm$654@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes: > Yesterday I spend nearly four hours tracking down the reason > modem dialing scripts were freezing. I eventually found that if > I commented out the "echo \7" command in the dialer (sport.scr, > ultra144.scr), the script would work! > > I've not been able to replicate this problem with other take > files. This makes me think that the "echo \7" is trigger a fault > that has been created earlier on. > > Any suggestions on how to proceed? > > The dialers are working correctly at the moment; I logged in with > one to post this. ----------- Earl, Honestly, I suspect there is more to the story than has been revealed thus far. The beep you hear during scripts is generated by passing DOS a \7 code, and that uses one section of the system timer chip to make the noise. It's very common, alas. If you have some TSR loaded that mistakenly thinks it owns the community timer chip then strange things can happen. We can't guess what is in your machine, but perhaps you can poke around some to see if there is a sneaky item waiting to gobble sound effects. Might you also have a soundblaster board installed? Joe D. P.S. Username kusogari is rebuffed by the shef.ac.uk mailer. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 2 12:41:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09223 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:37:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:37:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!news.daimi.aau.dk!biobase!ali From: ali@biobase.dk (Ali Karami) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How can i transfer files to: Date: 2 Jun 1995 12:41:37 GMT Organization: The Danish BioBase Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3qn0u1$p7u@biovax.biobase.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: biobase.dk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Netters: I have a simple question please send me your info: I am able to transfer files from network to my harddisk on pc by kermit and by send command but when i want to send my file on my hard disk to network i think i have to use get command but it does not work. I would like to know how can i do this + is ther any faq aboout kermit. I want to send my file it is in window ( microsoft words v 2.1 ) by iam connecting to network via dos . So could you help me. I have to say i am using Modem to transfer files from remot site to my pc and it's O.K but in when i want to transfer my own file to network .... i have problem. Thank you Ali@biobase.dk Ali From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 14:23:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09230 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:38:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:37:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Piping output from "rem host" command Message-Id: <1995Jun1.202326.53054@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Jun 95 20:23:26 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , "John D. Tucker" writes: > > > I would like to send a command to a remote computer and capture a brief > (one line of characters) response from that computer for processing > within a script. Reading the "Using MS-DOS Kermit" manual, I found that > rem host [command] > d:\log\remote.out > would capture the output from "[command]" in the file "d:\log\remote.out". > However, when using the pipe symbol (instead of the redirection symbol), > the symbol gets sent to the remote host rather than piping the output to > some program. ------------ Piping will never work because it presumes that programs are under control of the current Command.com and use stdin/stdout to read and write. DOS uses a file to represent the pipe. In addition, MS-DOS Kermit server (the receiving end of the initial command) performs remote host commands by invoking command.com #2 with the command line supplied by the client, and the output is redirected to a temporary file. The temp file is necessary so Kermit can read the results, if any, and send them back to the client. That means there is already a redirection supplied by Kermit, and it means Command.com #2 is not in charge of Kermit. If you supply a redirection then that is sent to the remote host (Kermit server) and the file to which you write is on that host too. MSK does not know you have supplied redirection so MSK reads only it's own temp file. The material comes back as a file, and we can't stuff a file into a Kermit variable. You can "get filename" and obtain a local file copy to which you may apply Kermit script string operations (read, string ops, etc). Be aware that most DOS programs do not use stdin/stdout to work. They go straight to hardware and below the Bios, so you won't capture much in that redirection, and you can lock up the server machine while the target program waits on the real keyboard, etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 2 16:27:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:38:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 20:38:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!recepsen.aa.msen.com!conch.aa.msen.com!jschneid From: jschneid@conch.aa.msen.com (Jeff Schneider ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit 3.13 question Date: 2 Jun 1995 16:27:22 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3qne5b$iep@recepsen.aa.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: conch.aa.msen.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I currently am using kermit 3.13 for dos for terminal emulation to allow my users to talk to a RISC 6000 running AIX3.2.5 We have set Kermit up to the point that the user doesn't really know that he is using a terminal emulator. Unfortunatly this means that most do not know how to use kermit to its fullest ( such as "dial foobar" ). We are now migrating to laptops and this adds the dimension of dialing in from home or hotel. My problem: 1. how can I invoke kemrit with a batch file so that it will either: a. connect directly trough a com port b. dial the modem - area code optional, prefix optional c. connect directly through a network card. I need to work this miracle with as litter user intervention as possible. We are using Word Perfect 5.1 for Unix, so all of the keys have been reassigned. Any help would be greatly appreciated. jschneid@msen.com All opinions/misspellings are my own. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 2 19:52:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:39:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 21:39:56 -0400 Control: cancel Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:52:13 GMT Lines: 1 Sender: jhurwit@netcom16.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL1] From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 14:09:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:04:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 22:04:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!btco!newsadm From: hari@btco.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Support Date: 1 Jun 1995 14:09:03 GMT Organization: Bankers Trust Company Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3qkhlv$pbd@NYCSEX0001.btco.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: nycsew0078.btco.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi folks, Had a quick question about kermit or other file transfer support. We need a reliable way to do file transfer from VAXes to PCs within a terminal emulation environment. The two main options are Kermit and Z-modem. Is there any sort of formal support channel for products in each category. I am attracted to C-Kermit because it looks like it has quite a following and a lot of discussion groups associated with it but is there any type of support channel for it ? Thanks Hari From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 1 11:56:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14679 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:29:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:29:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit scripting problems Date: 1 Jun 1995 07:56:04 -0400 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3qk9sk$5nm@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm developing an ftp mimic for C-Kermit->MS-Kermit transfers and had the same problem. The following macros will let you confirm that cd worked on MSK. (I expect the technique generalizes to any apc initiated command but I have only tested cd.) def cd - apc cd \Fcontents(\%1), - apcstat, - if eq 0 \v(query) echo {250 CWD command successful.}, - else echo {550 \Fcontents(\%1): No such file or directory} def apcstat - apc server, - msleep 500, - remote query kermit status, - finish The careful reader might wonder why I use apc cd rather than remote cd as in the following: def cd1 - apc server, - msleep 500, - remote cd \Fcontents(\%1), - remote query kermit status, - finish, - if eq 0 \v(query) echo {250 CWD command successful.}, - else echo {550 \Fcontents(\%1): No such file or directory} The answer is it doesn't work. I'm beginning to think this is a bug which I'll document and submit via e-mail with some test details to Columbia. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 3 03:22:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:51:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27971 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:51:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!treasure.coastalnet.com!usenet Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Disabled minus on keypad? Message-Id: <3qoki9$k8b@treasure.coastalnet.com> From: cn1491@coastalnet.com (Shannon Adams) Date: 3 Jun 1995 03:22:49 GMT Reply-To: shannona@htc8500.com Organization: CoastalNet Nntp-Posting-Host: pm-mhc2-210.coastalnet.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Using Kermit 3.14, the minus sign on the keypad is used to toggle the status line in terminal mode. I want to use the minus sign as a minus and not the toggle. How do I diable it as being used for the toggle? == Shannon Adams shannona@htc8500.com ers on my : PC terminal?? Any help will be appreciated!! : : Kuan Chen There are two alternatives. 1) Get a bilingual version of DOS such as MS-DOS 6.22V or IBM PC-DOS 6.3V. 2) Use a programme wrapper such as kdplus (shareware) found at kuso.shef.ac.uk and other ftp sources. I use 1) with consistent sucess. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 3 17:46:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:46:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:46:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Support Date: 3 Jun 1995 17:46:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3qq75m$734@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qkhlv$pbd@nycsex0001.btco.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qkhlv$pbd@nycsex0001.btco.com>, wrote: >Had a quick question about kermit or other file transfer support. We need >a reliable way to do file transfer from VAXes to PCs within a terminal >emulation environment. The two main options are Kermit and Z-modem. Is >there any sort of formal support channel for products in each category. I >am attracted to C-Kermit because it looks like it has quite a following >and a lot of discussion groups associated with it but is there any type >of support channel for it ? > Yes. That's one of Kermit's strongest points. There are many support channels: this newsgroup; e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu; telephone support, and so on. We only ask that you purchase the relevant published manuals (and consult them :-), and also look through the online HLP, UPD, and BWR files that are supplied with the software, before requesting tech support. If you want a formal support contract, or training, etc, that can be arranged too. Send email to kermit@columbia.edu for details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 3 17:51:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:51:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 13:51:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can i transfer files to: Date: 3 Jun 1995 17:51:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 161 Message-Id: <3qq7fp$7b7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qn0u1$p7u@biovax.biobase.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qn0u1$p7u@biovax.biobase.dk>, Ali Karami wrote: > I am able to transfer files from network to my harddisk on pc by kermit > and by send command but when i want to send my file on my hard disk to > network i think i have to use get command but it does not work. I would > like to know how can i do this + is ther any faq aboout kermit. > Not only is there an FAQ, there are manuals available, published in many languages, that answer questions like this. FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Manuals: KERMIT BOOK LIST ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in: Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German- language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC PC9801: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is documented in: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book, which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data communications, and using Kermit: Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating systems is available from Columbia University. Contact Columbia for a free Kermit software catalog. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO ORDER ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: 1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada) +44 1993 414414 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) 2. From Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Tel. +1 212 854-3703 Fax. +1 212 663-8202 E-Mail: kermit@columbia.edu Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Add $5 US for shipping outside of North America. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Quantity discounts are available. Single-copy US prices (in US dollars): Using MS-DOS Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 36.95 Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 36.95 Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . .$ 32.95 All three . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 85.00 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: DM 79,00 C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . DM 88,00 Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG Helstorfer Strasse 7 D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0 Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FRENCH: Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi: . . . . . . . . . . . FF 495,00 Heinz Schiefer & Cie. 45 rue Henri de Regnier F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE Tel. +33 39 53 95 26 Fax. +33 39 02 39 71 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- JAPANESE: MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,800 Y Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd. Abe-toku Building 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 101, JAPAN Tel. +81-3-3256-1091 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 3 18:02:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:02:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08135 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:02:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit 3.13 question Date: 3 Jun 1995 18:02:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3qq847$7u4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qne5b$iep@recepsen.aa.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qne5b$iep@recepsen.aa.msen.com>, Jeff Schneider wrote: >I currently am using kermit 3.13 for dos for terminal emulation to allow >my users to talk to a RISC 6000 running AIX3.2.5 We have set Kermit up >to the point that the user doesn't really know that he is using a terminal >emulator. Unfortunatly this means that most do not know how to use kermit >to its fullest ( such as "dial foobar" ). We are now migrating to laptops >and this adds the dimension of dialing in from home or hotel. My problem: > 1. how can I invoke kemrit with a batch file so that it will either: > a. connect directly trough a com port > b. dial the modem - area code optional, > prefix optional > c. connect directly through a network card. > >I need to work this miracle with as litter user intervention as possible. > The answer is: it can be done, but you will have to write the appropriate script program(s) to do it. Script programming is documented in "Using MS-DOS Kermit", supplemented by the KERMIT.UPD file on the Kermit diskette. Note that the current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14, not 3.13. Still, your script program can't be a mind reader. It doesn't know if the laptop it is running on is in the owner's house, in a hotel, on an airplane, or plugged in to a network (or if it is, whether the network should be used instead of the serial port or internal modem). So there will still need to be some hints from the user. That is, the user will still have to know something. Like whether s/he is in a hotel room or at home. And what the dialing prefix is, and whether an area code is needed, etc. In our frenzy to make things easy -- "seamless" -- for users, we make them so dependent on the tools we develop for them that they become helpless without them. I'm in favor of a somewhat more minimalist approach -- make things easy, sure, but don't hide information from them unnecessarily. For example, I never cease to be amazed at the number of people who are astounded to learn, when (say) Kermit's DIAL command doesn't work for some reason, that they can actually CONNECT to the modem and type ATDT. Yes, the don't have to be helpless in the face of complicated technology. What is the 90's word for that... empowerment? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 3 18:05:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:06:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:06:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Disabled minus on keypad? Date: 3 Jun 1995 18:05:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3qq8a6$81l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qoki9$k8b@treasure.coastalnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qoki9$k8b@treasure.coastalnet.com>, Shannon Adams wrote: >Using Kermit 3.14, the minus sign on the keypad is used to toggle the >status line in terminal mode. I want to use the minus sign as a minus >and not the toggle. How do I diable it as being used for the toggle? > Please read the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". It will explain to you how ALL the keys on the keyboard can be reassigned to do whatever you want them to. Here is the answer to your question, but you will undoubtedly have more questions, so please consult the manual in the future. set key \330 \45 Put this command in your MSCUSTOM.INI file and it will take effect whenever you start Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 3 18:07:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17302 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:07:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Jun 1995 14:07:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Settings? Date: 3 Jun 1995 18:07:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3qq8do$89r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qpbbe$cdv@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qpbbe$cdv@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, Jeff Kurbatzky wrote: >Im using kermit 3.13 on my 14.4 modem without a slip connection. I still >find kermit transfers to be very slow compared to all others. Can someone >please reccommend some settings for me that would optimize my transfer >speeds?? If so, please email me. > Please refer to our FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt By the way, if you upgrade to version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit, you will note that it comes with a FAST macro. Just type "fast" at the prompt, and it configures itself for speed. Additional fine tuning is, of course, possible. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 2 20:37:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 01:53:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13478 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 01:53:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!newsfeed.rice.edu!uw-beaver!uw-coco!nwfocus.wa.com!krel.iea.com!comtch!andersr From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Support Date: 2 Jun 1995 20:37:13 GMT Organization: CompuTech, Spokane WA Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3qnspp$a8b@krel.iea.com> References: <3qkhlv$pbd@NYCSEX0001.btco.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: comtch.iea.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hari@btco.com wrote: : Hi folks, : Had a quick question about kermit or other file transfer support. We need a reliable way to do file transfer from VAXes to PCs within a terminal emulation environment. Support is pretty simple. Buy, at least, the two books Using MS-Kermit and Using C-Kermit. Read them, or at least browse them. Install C-Kermit on the VAXens and MS-Kermit on your PCs. Try them, fiddle with them, ask questions here. We were able to upgrade from a VERY old version of Kermit for Data General AOS/VS to 5A(188,189,190) with a minimum of pain. Mostly getting all the players together at once: Me the so-called Kermit expert, our SysOp, and the software support specialist. That it even took all three of us is because we were trying to upgrade the support we supply as more users discovered MS-Kermit and found it a better deal than the commercial terminal emulators for Data General systems. Not to mention as they discovered outside systems, Internet, BBS' etc. they have all they need. Though the BBS support for Kermit file transfer protocol is pretty weak most of the time. Again; buy the two books (makes Frank, Christine, and Joe easier to talk to.) and `try it, you'll like it'. Rod Anderson From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 4 14:11:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28798 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:25:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:25:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ub!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!bubba!shrim From: shrim@bubba.ocis.temple.edu (The Shriminator) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 4 Jun 1995 14:11:54 GMT Organization: http://monroe.temple.edu Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3qseva$ed7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: bubba.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu David R Butler-Malin writes in comp.protocols.kermit.misc: + My background is in IBM-PC systems. I currently support kermit on + numerous systems within our company. + I have just been handed the few MAC's we have in the building + and asked to bring them up on our current environment. + Does Kermit exist in a MAC format? + If you can help, it would be most appreciated. Thanks Yes. MacKermit 0.99(190) is avail. at Columbia's ftp site. If you have access to the Web, then follow this link for an easy download: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mac.html BTW to the Kermit Gods, I read in a Kermit related book that the protocol is much improved in MacKermit 1.0. Where would such a beast exist, if it does ? Any comments (e-mail please) on this 1.0 release would be most appreciated. -- |~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/|\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~| | N. Sriram | Shrim@astro.ocis.temple.edu | http://monroe.temple.edu | | Unixmenu Developer, Macintosh Archivist, WWW Builder, User-Support | | 'course my views don't reflect my Employers, neither mine at times. | |_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\|/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_/~\_| From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 4 15:45:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 11:45:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 11:45:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 4 Jun 1995 15:45:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3qske8$lmo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qseva$ed7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qseva$ed7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, The Shriminator wrote: > BTW to the Kermit Gods, I read in a Kermit related book that the > protocol is much improved in MacKermit 1.0. Where would such a beast > exist, if it does ? > I wish it did exist. We started work on Mac Kermit in 1984 and made a lot of progress. Then our programming staff was, well, reassigned. Then we had a series of volunteer Mac programmers from elsewhere who made terrific contributions, but the last of them succumbed to the pressures of real life several years ago. We don't have the funds to hire a Mac programmer (let alone someone who could merely keep track of the ever-changing Macintosh landscape) and the few of us who spend most of our time in the Kermit project are not Mac programmers and have overfull plates already. So, in short, Mac Kermit is still not at 1.0 level. You can find a list of its faults, and our plans for the future should someone willing and able to implement them step forward at any time, in the ckmker.bwr file. Nevertheless, every so often somebody does a few small things to it to make it better. Last August, by brute force and dumb luck, I was able to track down and fix the bug that was making it crash on downloads under System 7.1. Of course, since that time, Apple has released numerous new Systems and models, and broke Kermit yet again. Reportedly, in System 7.5, Mac Kermit once again has all sorts of trouble finding the communication port. An anonymous donor has sent in a probably fix for this problem (i.e. addition of Communications Tool Box support), which everybody is encouraged to try. You can find it in: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/mac/makermit.hqx Transfer it in text mode, unBinHex it, and try it out. If you have been seeing error boxes containing codes like "-98", this might fix it. There is also another possible improvement on the horizon, namely the addition of MacTCP support by someone who is interested in that, and probably only that. There is no formal commitment, just a glimmer of hope. If all the universities and corporations that were interested in a production-quality Mac Kermit were to chip in to endow a Macintosh Kermit programmer position for a few years, they would get a good return on their investment. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 4 17:22:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 13:56:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 13:56:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!f181-107.net.wisc.edu!grhowes From: Glenn R. Howes Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 4 Jun 1995 17:22:37 GMT Organization: UW-Chemistry Lines: 55 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3qsq4t$rgm@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: f181-107.net.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_PPC X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 18:23:26 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> David R Butler-Malin, dmalin@interlog.com writes: >My background is in IBM-PC systems. I currently support kermit on >numerous systems within our company. >I have just been handed the few MAC's we have in the building >and asked to bring them up on our current environment. > >Does Kermit exist in a MAC format? > >If you can help, it would be most appreciated. Thanks If all you are interested in is a free solution which incorporates the Kermit file transfer, it is possible to cobble together a free Communications Toolbox solution off of parts available off the net.: Kermit Tool GH 1.3 - unsupported, as it has gone commercial. Does not support windowing, shift locking, selective control quoting, but still very nice. (I do not know if the new copyright owners, Aladdin Systems--makers of SITcomm and Stuffit--have done anything to restrict its distribution). Termy - freeware CTB shell application Apple CTB Tools - VT102 or TTY terminal emulation, serial tool, modem tool, ADSP connection, XMODEM transfers. TGE/TCP Tool - allows connections over TCP/IP connections (I've never been able to get this to work, but many people do). Additional File Transfer Tools - ZMODEM tool demos (download only or limited evaluation periods). Of course, there are plenty of commercial applications which support the Kermit file transfer protocol (SITcomm, Versaterm, ClarisWorks, etc.) Even the shareware program ZTerm now has a basic Kermit implementation. Oh, and by the way, it really enrages Mac owners to have there computers refered to as MAC. It isn't an acronym. --glenn From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 4 20:10:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 16:10:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06037 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 16:10:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 4 Jun 1995 20:10:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3qt3vq$5sj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qsq4t$rgm@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qsq4t$rgm@news.doit.wisc.edu>, Glenn R. Howes wrote: >In article <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> David R Butler-Malin, >dmalin@interlog.com writes: >>Does Kermit exist in a MAC format? > >If all you are interested in is a free solution which incorporates >the Kermit file transfer, it is possible to cobble together a >free Communications Toolbox solution off of parts available >off the net... > Yes, but this will not get you certain features that are hallmarks of real Kermit software: . Fast, high quality emulation of higher-model VT terminals, like VT220 or 320. . Character-set conversion during terminal emulation. . Character-set conversion during file transfer. . Most of the file-transfer performance features, i.e. fast file transfers instead of slow ones. . Most or all of the client/server features. . A scripting language that is compatible with other Kermit programs. Most of this is already in Mac Kermit. It's just a question of getting it up to release quality. I think we'd all be better served by a release- quality Mac Kermit than by a cobbled-together patchwork assembled from pieces of dubious origin. See my previous posting about why we don't have a release-quality Mac Kermit yet. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 4 22:26:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 18:57:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 18:57:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!f180-068.net.wisc.edu!grhowes From: Glenn R. Howes Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 4 Jun 1995 22:26:58 GMT Organization: UW-Chemistry Lines: 45 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3qtbvi$a4o@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qsq4t$rgm@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qt3vq$5sj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: f180-068.net.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_PPC X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 23:27:47 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qt3vq$5sj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Frank da Cruz, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu writes: >In article <3qsq4t$rgm@news.doit.wisc.edu>, >Glenn R. Howes wrote: >>In article <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> David R Butler-Malin, >>dmalin@interlog.com writes: >>>Does Kermit exist in a MAC format? >> >>If all you are interested in is a free solution which incorporates >>the Kermit file transfer, it is possible to cobble together a >>free Communications Toolbox solution off of parts available >>off the net... >> >Yes, but this will not get you certain features that are hallmarks >of real Kermit software: [feature set deleted] >Most of this is already in Mac Kermit. It's just a question of getting >it up to release quality. I think we'd all be better served by a release- >quality Mac Kermit than by a cobbled-together patchwork assembled from >pieces of dubious origin. See my previous posting about why we don't have >a release-quality Mac Kermit yet. Well, if we are going to talk about things in the future, then maintaining a monolithic MacKermit is a waste of time. The future of Mac programming is increasingly modular. The CTB was just a first start: OpenDoc is just a year away and with it (I hope) the end of the do everything application. Advantages of modularity: 1) People can pick and choose there favorite tools. 2) Easy to add a new feature: ZMODEM, TCP/IP, etc. 3) A single hobbyist can write and maintain a tool in spare time. 4) Buy only the commercial parts you want. Right now, people would be better served by someone making a high quality freeware VT220 tool, writing an AppleScriptable character converter helper app,and writing a Kermit tool with a more modern feature set. As for scripting, the last thing the Mac world needs is another application specific scripting implementation: use AppleScript (or more precisely, make it OSA compliant). --glenn From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 4 23:31:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15829 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 19:31:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 19:31:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 4 Jun 1995 23:31:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 76 Message-Id: <3qtfnp$gca@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qsq4t$rgm@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qt3vq$5sj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3qtbvi$a4o@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qtbvi$a4o@news.doit.wisc.edu>, Glenn R. Howes wrote: >Well, if we are going to talk about things in the future, then >maintaining a monolithic MacKermit is a waste of time. The future >of Mac programming is increasingly modular. The CTB was just a >first start: OpenDoc is just a year away and with it (I hope) >the end of the do everything application. > >Advantages of modularity: >1) People can pick and choose there favorite tools. >2) Easy to add a new feature: ZMODEM, TCP/IP, etc. >3) A single hobbyist can write and maintain a tool in spare time. >4) Buy only the commercial parts you want. > >Right now, people would be better served by someone making a >high quality freeware VT220 tool... > Of course they would. Be my guest. >... writing an AppleScriptable >character converter helper app,and writing a Kermit tool with >a more modern feature set. > So why isn't anybody doing this work? >As for scripting, the last thing the >Mac world needs is another application specific scripting >implementation: use AppleScript (or more precisely, make it >OSA compliant). > Oh boy, another three-letter-acronym to be compliant with. Everything you say is no doubt true, but recall that what we (in the Kermit project) try hard to do is write portable code with a portable interface that runs consistently on a wide variety of platforms over a variety of communication methods. All that while providing some of the best terminal emulators and file transfer software around. Somebody who lives in the Macintosh world could no doubt make a terrific Macintosh application, much more terrific and modular and TLA-compliant than we could, but that's exactly what it would be: a Macintosh app for the Macintosh world. So far, however, it seems that nobody has done that. A distinct advantage of Kermit software to some people -- those who live and work in a diverse computing and communications environment, as opposed to those who only see / feel / touch / know about one specific type of computer -- is that it is portable and familiar across many types of systems. That's one reason why we do not go out of our way to make applications like the one you describe above. Because then we would have to do the same thing for DOS, OS/2, Windows 3.x, Windows NT, Windows 9x, Motif, NeXTSTEP, DECwindows, HP Vue, and on and on and on, and then our software would be just like any other software that you bought in a store -- i.e. aimed at an individual mass-market user, with little or no commonality across platforms. Not that anything is wrong with that, it's only that we don't have huge "campuses" full of energetic full-time programmers rolling products out for the market share. In fact, when you think about it, it's pretty amazing what so few people have have produced for so many. There's no point complaining about Mac Kermit. We've got countless thousands of people who want it to be on a par with MS-DOS Kermit or OS/2 C-Kermit in terms of functionality, performance, support, and robustness (believe me about the countless thousands -- I get the mail), but nobody in the past few years who has had the time, inclination, and ability to do the work, nor anyone who has the cash to hire such a person. What do you want for free? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 03:19:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 23:44:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 23:44:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!f180-090.net.wisc.edu!grhowes From: Glenn R. Howes Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 5 Jun 1995 03:19:01 GMT Organization: UW-Chemistry Lines: 147 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3qtt35$gji@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qt3vq$5sj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3qtbvi$a4o@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qtfnp$gca@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: f180-090.net.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_PPC X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 04:19:46 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I should preface this by with the disclaimer that I wrote Kermit Tool GH and therefore am involved with a competing commercial product, SITcomm. So take what I say with a grain of salt. Also, I don't want anything I say to be construed as an attack on Frank da Cruz who has been extremely helpful to me and is a credit to the net community. What I say is in the spirit of a constructive debate. In article <3qtfnp$gca@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Frank da Cruz, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu writes: >Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? >From: Frank da Cruz, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Date: 4 Jun 1995 23:31:05 GMT >>Right now, people would be better served by someone making a >>high quality freeware VT220 tool... >> >Of course they would. Be my guest. Unfortunately, I'm under a non-competition contract until next year or I might think about doing so, heck I am thinking about doing so. I, however, do not have any VT220 engine code; you do. >>... writing an AppleScriptable >>character converter helper app,and writing a Kermit tool with >>a more modern feature set. >> >So why isn't anybody doing this work? I regret having to say this but it doesn't appear that anybody is doing any work on MacKermit either so this is sort of a mute point. Writing such a converter should be easy enough (I assume), trivial if the translation engine code is available in readable form. With such an engine I could probably write a little drag & drop/scriptable translator over a weekend with the most time being spent figuring out the best scripting interface. As for a more fully featured Kermit tool, a) there are at least 4 commercial tools of varying functionality, b) the freely available one is good enough for most people, c) most freeware communications programmers seem to be concentrating on TCP/IP applications. If any young programmer is reading, writing one will take about 3 months of weekends, buy Frank's book "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol", get the current specs from their ftp site at Columbia, invest in "Inside the Macintosh Communication Toolbox" and get the specs on CTB 1.1 which should be on the apple ftp site. Also, don't write it by cutting and pasting, write it from scratch using the protocol specs, you'll be happy you did later. >>As for scripting, the last thing the >>Mac world needs is another application specific scripting >>implementation: use AppleScript (or more precisely, make it >>OSA compliant). >> >Oh boy, another three-letter-acronym to be compliant with. OSA allows the user to choose what scripting implementation he wants to use, examples: AppleScript, QuickKeys, Frontier. I didn't want to be AppleScript centric. >Everything you say is no doubt true, but recall that what we >(in the Kermit project) try hard to do is write portable code >with a portable interface that runs consistently on a wide >variety of platforms over a variety of communication methods. >All that while providing some of the best terminal emulators >and file transfer software around. Then base it around OpenDoc which is extremely cross platform and will protect us from the code bloat of Microsoft and OLE. I've been playing around with the 2nd OD beta and it is really very cool. Right now I'm thinking about writing a spectra plotting part, but communication parts are a very real possibility. Otherwise, look at NetScape, which seems to be perfectly at home whether it is in Windows, MacOS, or X. >Somebody who lives in the Macintosh world could no doubt make a >terrific Macintosh application, much more terrific and modular >and TLA-compliant than we could, but that's exactly what it >would be: a Macintosh app for the Macintosh world. So far, >however, it seems that nobody has done that. Maybe that is your problem, no Mac programmer worth his bits wants to write a program that looks like it would be at home in DOS land. The Mac has a lot of services which should be used: CTB connections, system wide scripting, helper apps like Stuffit Expander, Open Transport, preemptive multi-threading for 68K machines (and next year all Macs) and proven & tested interface guidlines. It isn't perfect for serial communications: the current lack of preemptive multitasking being the most glaring problem, but it gives you a lot if you just go to the trouble of calling it. >A distinct advantage of Kermit software to some people -- those >who live and work in a diverse computing and communications >environment, as opposed to those who only see / feel / touch / >know about one specific type of computer -- is that it is >portable and familiar across many types of systems. That's one >reason why we do not go out of our way to make applications >like the one you describe above. Because then we would have to >do the same thing for DOS, OS/2, Windows 3.x, Windows NT, >Windows 9x, Motif, NeXTSTEP, DECwindows, HP Vue, and on and on >and on, and then our software would be just like any other >software that you bought in a store -- i.e. aimed at an >individual mass-market user, with little or no commonality >across platforms. Unfortunately, a lot of the software I unwittingly buy is built with just this mentality. I'm thinking of games that MacPlay puts out like Star Trek the 25th Anniversary game or Scrabble whose interfaces and bit resolutions seem to have been coded to the lowest common denominator of an 8-bit Nintendo. Absolute garbage which I loathe using when a month of programmer's time and somebody at MacPlay reading "Tog on Interface" could have made them a joy. >Not that anything is wrong with that, it's only that we don't >have huge "campuses" full of energetic full-time programmers >rolling products out for the market share. In fact, when you >think about it, it's pretty amazing what so few people have >have produced for so many. > >There's no point complaining about Mac Kermit. We've got >countless thousands of people who want it to be on a par with >MS-DOS Kermit or OS/2 C-Kermit in terms of functionality, >performance, support, and robustness (believe me about the >countless thousands -- I get the mail), but nobody in the past >few years who has had the time, inclination, and ability to do >the work, nor anyone who has the cash to hire such a person. > >What do you want for free? I expect a program whose authors can say "This is my baby, I'm proud of it." Why else would anyone release freeware? Example Free Mac Programs whose authors can say this: Stuffit Expander, Disenfectant, JPEGView, Eudora, BBEdit Lite, Nuntius, Fetch, NewsWatcher, Audio Strip GH (this is cripple ware, but I'm proud of the free parts too). --glenn From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 06:05:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02321 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 03:17:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 03:16:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: Re: Automating kermit session in a shell script Distribution: na Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Internet Direct Admin) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 06:05:24 GMT References: <3qfuqp$l9f@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> <1995May30.171628.52777@cc.usu.edu> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 30 May 95 17:16:28 MDT, Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > Have you considered the best way might be to use the scripting > language (sic) provided by Kermits? Why "sic"? Is it not a _scripting_ language? Or is it not a _language_? Just curious. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 08:30:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 04:35:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09784 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 04:35:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!demon!roentgen.demon.co.uk!keith From: Dr Keith Howells Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit cron job Date: 5 Jun 1995 09:30:29 +0100 Organization: Wansbeck Radiology Department Lines: 13 Sender: news@newnews.demon.co.uk Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 X-Posting-Host: roentgen.demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks to Frank da Cruz for his help with this problem. It turned out that the cron job ran alright after I had obtained the latest 5A(190) source and used that instead of the old 5A(188) one that I had. Perhaps there's a lesson there somewhere. Keith. -- Keith Howells email: keith@roentgen.demon.co.uk Department of Diagnostic Radiology, Wansbeck General Hospital Ashington, Northumberland, UK From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 13:18:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 09:19:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07043 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 09:19:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 5 Jun 1995 13:18:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 105 Message-Id: <3qv083$6r1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qtbvi$a4o@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qtfnp$gca@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3qtt35$gji@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qtt35$gji@news.doit.wisc.edu>, Glenn R. Howes wrote: >As for a more fully featured Kermit tool, a) there are >at least 4 commercial tools of varying functionality, b) the >freely available one is good enough for most people, c) most >freeware communications programmers seem to be concentrating >on TCP/IP applications. If any young programmer is reading, >writing one will take about 3 months of weekends, buy >Frank's book "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol", get the >current specs from their ftp site at Columbia, invest >in "Inside the Macintosh Communication Toolbox" and get the >specs on CTB 1.1 which should be on the apple ftp site. Also, >don't write it by cutting and pasting, write it from scratch >using the protocol specs, you'll be happy you did later. > Perhaps. But the real Kermit protocol engine is already inside Mac Kermit. 80% of a real VT320 emulator is there too. 90% of the Kermit script language is there too. The character-set translation is there too. I can see why people who live in the Macintosh universe would want something less monolithic and more modular, but that is putting a rather fine point on it. We already have something that almost works, and that shares code with literally hundreds of other Kermit implementations and an incredibly diverse range of platforms. The point being that if separate Kermit tools, translation tools, VTxxx tools, etc, were constructed, they would immediately become orphans. There is one and only one shared nucleus of common code. We simply can't afford to maintain lots of code bases. Anybody in the Macintosh programming community who would like to see Macintosh Kermit reach fruition, by whatever means, is encouraged to take up where our last generation of volunteers left off. >Then base it around OpenDoc which is extremely cross platform >and will protect us from the code bloat of Microsoft and OLE. > More "standards"... I have to admit I have not even looked at OpenDoc. Why should I? Without even knowing what it is, let me take a guess: it is some new "standard" put forward by yet another "consortium" of "major players" which is so complex that the only way anyone could incorporate "compliance" with it into one's applications would be by licensing proprietary libraries and bloated development environments, and which, no matter how portable it is said to be, will not come close to covering the 400+ platforms covered by C-Kermit, the code base for Macintosh Kermit. And which probably requires megabytes of memory and disk, etc etc. Maybe I'm jaded, but don't these "standards" pop up and then fall by the wayside on a yearly basis? Am I the only one who sees the entire software industry grinding to a halt as it chases the holy grail of the latest self-proclaimed "standard" from Microsoft, Apple, IBM, or various consortia that fill the trade publications with glorious proclamations of future cooperation and openness, only to melt away before anybody has noticed? >Otherwise, look at NetScape, which seems to be perfectly at >home whether it is in Windows, MacOS, or X. > Of course, we are looking very carefully at the successful cross-platform apps. >Maybe that is your problem, no Mac programmer worth his bits >wants to write a program that looks like it would be at home >in DOS land. > Mac Kermit might have a somewhat crude user interface, but from the very beginning it has always been a true Macintosh point- and-click interface. Recently we added on C-Kermit's command-line interface in an optional "command window". Why? Primarily for scripting and dialing. Not only can script programs now be run in Mac Kermit, but they are the very same script programs that run in UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, VOS, OS-9, and on the Amiga and the Atari ST, and to a large extent also DOS and Windows. Thousands of sites have a huge investment in their installed base of Kermit scripts, and Mac Kermit's command-line interface "leverages" (as they say) that investment to the large installed base of Macs. That's not to say that Mac Kermit's graphical interface can or should not be improved. It needs a LOT of work. Most of the work that is needed could be done by a competent Mac programmer in a weekend. But we have not had a competent Mac programmer working on the project in several years. There is also a handful of show-stopper bugs in Mac Kermit, of the sort that could only be found and fixed by a good Mac programmer, one who is familiar with the quirks of the many Mac OS releases, hardware platforms, and ROMs. So the situation seems to be: countless thousands of people at thousands of sites WANT Mac Kermit to reach release level, but no Macintosh programmer will to touch it because it is not "pure". >Unfortunately, a lot of the software I unwittingly buy is >built with just this mentality. [coding to the lowest common >denominator] > Portability is not a "mentality" -- it's the way we provide code that works on more platforms than, probably, any other nontrivial program on earth. A good Mac programmer, such as yourself, who took on Mac Kermit would no doubt do a bang-up job, using all the available tools and features in such a way as not to compromise the quality for Mac users, but still maintaining the portability of the protocol and other common modules to the other platforms. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 19:06:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:21:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:21:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu!jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu!support From: support@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Support Net Help Des) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.1 - Losing bytes during transfer Date: 5 Jun 1995 19:06:29 GMT Organization: HCF - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Maryland, USA Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3qvkjl$4cm@jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.220.2.5 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a user on a 486 PC clone using Kermit v3.1 to a UNIX machine running 4E(027) (Jan 24, 1989). They are transferring (using Binary) a Lotus spreadsheet file to the UNIX machine. After the transfer is complete, they notice that the size of the transferred version of the file is smaller than the orginal. What's more, if they take the transferred version and transfer it back down to the PC, the size further decreases. It is my understanding that Kermit was to protect against this sort of "byte loss". Is this a bug, or is there something the user forgot to set? -Thanks, Gina M. Bates SupportNet Technician The Johns Hopkins University support@jhu.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 18:54:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:25:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:25:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!boulder!spot.Colorado.EDU!grubin From: grubin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rick Grubin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using C-Kermit thru a tty port to a PC Date: 5 Jun 1995 18:54:02 GMT Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 25 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3qvjsa$5qs@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> References: <3qvbm1$av4@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apologies for following-up to my own post... I wrote: >Having followed the advice in "Using MS-DOS Kermit" to get >two PCs to talk via a null modem cable, I'm being asked to >do a similar task using an SGI and a PC. I have the book >"Using C-Kermit" and have been successful in using kermit >from the PC to talk to the SGI; now I'd like to go the other >way, using C-kermit on the SGI to talk to the PC via a null >modem cable. The SGI is an Indy running IRIX v5.3. I believe I have the SGI tty ports configured correctly now; am currently struggling with talking to the PC. With C-Kermit running on the SGI, parity=none speed=9600 carrier=auto, I want to have (as the book "Using C-Kermit" says, "...port on a PC controlled by a Kermit server." My goal is to somehow "connect" to the PC, and run the MS-Kermit there in a server mode. Am I able to do this or must MS-Kermit already be running on the PC? This is all new to me and I'm confused, if I'm not explaining myself well, I apologise. Thanks for any pointers. -- Rick Grubin grubin@spot.colorado.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 20:32:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:32:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:32:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using C-Kermit thru a tty port to a PC Date: 5 Jun 1995 20:32:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3qvplf$dvq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qvbm1$av4@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> <3qvjsa$5qs@cuboulder.colorado.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qvjsa$5qs@cuboulder.colorado.edu>, Rick Grubin wrote: >... With C-Kermit >running on the SGI, parity=none speed=9600 carrier=auto, I >want to have (as the book "Using C-Kermit" says, "...port on a >PC controlled by a Kermit server." My goal is to somehow "connect" >to the PC, and run the MS-Kermit there in a server mode. Am I >able to do this or must MS-Kermit already be running on the PC? > I hope that "Using MS-DOS Kermit" is fairly clear on this. Chapter 11 describes two ways of accessing MS-DOS Kermit from another computer. (1) Point it at the desired communications device and then put it in server mode, or (2) use the CTTY COM1 trick. Unlike UNIX, you can't "log in" to an MS-DOS serial port. CTTY COMx is almost what you want, but it is fraught with peril, as explained in the book (i.e. not everything is redirected). So in every case, you have to set things up from the PC's real keyboard -- either a Kermit server or CTTY -- before expecting to find anything there when coming in from the SGI. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 19:17:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:47:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21027 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:47:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!purdue!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!yorick.umd.edu!rclayton From: rclayton@yorick.umd.edu (Rodney Clayton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for CICS/VSE question. Date: 5 Jun 1995 19:17:19 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3qvl7v$qm9@hecate.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: yorick.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How does Kermit for CICS/VSE read and write files to VSE? Does it dynamically create SD files? Does it create VSAM files? I have been looking thru the documentation I downloaded and I can't find the answer to this question. Thank's in advance Rod From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 16:34:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 18:53:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 18:52:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!boulder!spot.Colorado.EDU!grubin From: grubin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rick Grubin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.sgi.admin Subject: Using C-Kermit thru a tty port to a PC Date: 5 Jun 1995 16:34:09 GMT Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 20 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3qvbm1$av4@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2908 comp.sys.sgi.admin:20387 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Having followed the advice in "Using MS-DOS Kermit" to get two PCs to talk via a null modem cable, I'm being asked to do a similar task using an SGI and a PC. I have the book "Using C-Kermit" and have been successful in using kermit from the PC to talk to the SGI; now I'd like to go the other way, using C-kermit on the SGI to talk to the PC via a null modem cable. The SGI is an Indy running IRIX v5.3. I fear that the tty ports on the SGI are not configured correctly, and do not know what is necessary to set up to do this task. Any pointers/recommendations/examples (!) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. This task is not related to the Univ of Colorado; I don't work there, it's not for them, I'm graciously allowed access to newsgroups only. Help/advice from CU isn't an option. -- Rick Grubin grubin@spot.colorado.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 02:49:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:23:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:23:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!almach.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@almach.krl.caltech.edu (Timothy D. Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? Date: 5 Jun 1995 10:49 PST Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 40 Distribution: world Message-Id: <5JUN199510490297@almach.caltech.edu> References: <1995May29.181428.52632@cc.usu.edu> <1995May30.100307.52690@cc.usu.edu> <3qn3d4$flg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: almach.krl.caltech.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qn3d4$flg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes... >In article <1995May30.100307.52690@cc.usu.edu>, >Roger Ivie wrote: >>... >>FWIW, although KERMIT-32 is old, it is also a lot lighter on the system than >>C-Kermit; that's the primary reason I still keep it hanging around on my >>systems (ranging from VAX 2000s to 4000/90s). >> >Kermit-32 is smaller than C-Kermit because it does less. But it's old and >no longer supported. I don't know anybody that can even compile it. Well, then you don't know anybody with a VAX running VMS. I just recompiled both the MACRO32 and BLISS-32 versions on two of my systems; one running VMS 5.5-1, the other running 6.2. There is one (minor) glitch in the command procedures supplied: There is a procudure called 'VMSREN.COM' which renames a bunch of files beginning with VMS to KER. But it renames too many of them; some of them should still begin with VMS. The very quick and dirty fix for this is to change all the RENAMEs to COPYs in 'VMSREN.COM'. Just recently, DEC's BLISS-32 compiler became freeware. It's on the latest DECUS Freeware CD, and is also available via anonymous ftp from flash.dmc.com, in the directory FREEWARET62:[BLISS], as well as from ftp.wku.edu, in the directory [VMS.FREEWARE_CD.BLISS]. > And if it works on Alphas, it's a miracle. I haven't tried it, but there is a tool called VEST which is supposed to be quite good at converting VAX/VMS executables into Alpha executables. The BLISS compiler for VMS on an Alpha is also available at the above ftp sites, and just might be able to compile a working Kermit-32. I've never tried it, and I can't see why anybody with an Alpha would be trying to use Kermit-32. As you and Roger have pointed out, the only reason to run Kermit-32 instead of the more full-featured C-Kermit you cannot afford the performance ineffeciencies or memory requirements of C-Kermit. (I still use Kermit-32 on my VAX-11/730, for example.) Tim. (shoppa@krl.caltech.edu) Kellogg Radiation Lab, Caltech. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 5 23:24:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05096 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 23:47:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 23:47:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!d2.tufts.edu!emerald.tufts.edu!not-for-mail From: balarie@emerald.tufts.edu (Barbara Alarie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: very basic question Date: 5 Jun 1995 19:24:15 -0400 Organization: Tufts University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3r03mv$85e@emerald.tufts.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: emerald.tufts.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thomas David Nichols (helios@netcom.com) wrote: : Karen McEneaney (karenm@netcom.com) wrote: : : How do I tell kermit that my file is a binary file? : : If I just use "send" and "get", I get a bad packet : : error over and over. The kermit command is: set file type binary -- Barbara Alarie Academic Computer Services From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 02:39:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 03:33:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 03:33:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!hamer.ibd.nrc.ca!roberson From: roberson@hamer.ibd.nrc.ca (Walter Roberson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.sgi.admin Subject: Re: Using C-Kermit thru a tty port to a PC Date: 6 Jun 1995 02:39:10 GMT Organization: National Research Council of Canada Lines: 46 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3r0f4e$qt7@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <3qvbm1$av4@cuboulder.colorado.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hamer.ibd.nrc.ca Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2911 comp.sys.sgi.admin:20399 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qvbm1$av4@cuboulder.colorado.edu>, Rick Grubin wrote: :Having followed the advice in "Using MS-DOS Kermit" to get :two PCs to talk via a null modem cable, I'm being asked to :do a similar task using an SGI and a PC. I have the book :"Using C-Kermit" and have been successful in using kermit :from the PC to talk to the SGI; now I'd like to go the other :way, using C-kermit on the SGI to talk to the PC via a null :modem cable. The SGI is an Indy running IRIX v5.3. :I fear that the tty ports on the SGI are not configured :correctly, and do not know what is necessary to set up to :do this task. Any pointers/recommendations/examples (!) :would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. There is very little to it. Just make sure that the port has been turned 'off' in /etc/inittab. When you get into kermit, 'set line' to whichever port you want (eg, set line /dev/ttyd2 ) and 'set speed' to whatever rate you want (eg, set speed 38400 ). Kermit does the rest of the configuring itself. You mention in one of your other postings that you do not have the manuals for your system. As such, you might not be aware that the serial port pin-out on the SGI is different than that on the PC. The DB-9 type connectors on an SGI are configured practically the same way as you would a DB25 connector, with the exception that what would be on pin 20 of the DB25 is carried on pin 9 of the DB9. Mini-DIN-8 connectors on the SGI are fairly different, and follow the MAC pin-outs: | 1 | DTR | Data Terminal Ready | | 2 | CTS | Clear To Send | | 3 | TD | Transmit Data | | 4 | SG | Signal Ground | | 5 | RD | Receive Data | | 6 | RTS | Request To Send | | 7 | DCD | Data Carrier Detect | |__8____|_SG______|_Signal_Ground__________| If you are using rates above 9600 bps, you should definitely use hardware flow control by wiring the appropriate pins and using /dev/ttyf* instead of /dev/ttyd* . Hardware flow control is a superset of modem control (/dev/ttym*), so you would need to cross-wire the CD (carrier detect) line to hold it high for your application. Walter Roberson roberson@ibd.nrc.ca From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 09:06:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 05:44:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27986 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 05:44:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!news.nyc.pipeline.com!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!nntp.hk.super.net!tst.hk.super.net!jcarroll From: jcarroll@hk.super.net (Mr John Michael Carroll) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Chinese input Date: 6 Jun 1995 09:06:56 GMT Organization: Hong Kong Supernet Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3r15rg$non@tst.hk.super.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: is1.hk.super.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone tried using Kermit 3.14's terminal emulator with the ETEN Chinese system in Big 5. I can display the characters fine, but the input fails badly with some characters being truncated to one byte. Other times, Kermit appears to try to interpret the first half of a character as an instruction (to which the host curtly replies "invalid command"). I guess it's a comparatively simple keyboard mapping problem. But any good ideas will be gratefully received. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 12:49:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:49:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:49:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: very basic question Date: 6 Jun 1995 12:49:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3r1is1$iul@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r03mv$85e@emerald.tufts.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r03mv$85e@emerald.tufts.edu>, Barbara Alarie wrote: >Thomas David Nichols (helios@netcom.com) wrote: >: Karen McEneaney (karenm@netcom.com) wrote: > >: : How do I tell kermit that my file is a binary file? >: : If I just use "send" and "get", I get a bad packet >: : error over and over. > >The kermit command is: set file type binary > Actually, "set file type binary", although it is needed for transferring binary files, affects only the format of the file after transfer. If there are errors during the transfer -- "bad packets", retransmissions, etc -- that is a different issue. The most common cause of failure to transfer files, especially binary files, is that the communication path does not pass through the 8th bit. The cure is to tell one or both Kermit programs to: SET PARITY SPACE (or other value, other than NONE). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 03:37:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 12:39:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10483 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 12:39:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!vtc.tacom.army.mil!news1.oakland.edu!detroit.freenet.org!detroit.freenet.org!ak434 From: ak434@detroit.freenet.org (Marc Zuckman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: command line parameters and C-Kermit Date: 6 Jun 1995 03:37:55 GMT Organization: Greater Detroit Free-Net, Detroit, MI Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3r0iij$ffc@detroit.freenet.org> Reply-To: ak434@detroit.freenet.org (Marc Zuckman) Nntp-Posting-Host: detroit.freenet.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a command line switch that will prevent C-kermit from hanging up the line after a file transfer operation is performed. I am using another communications program (minicom 1.71) on a Linux system. minicom calls kermit with a command line that looks like this for an upload: kermit -i -l /dev/ttyS0 -b 9600 -s uploadfilename AS soon as the file transfer completes, kermit hangs up the line, and exits back to minicom. -- Marc Zuckman ak434@detroit.freenet.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 17:16:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:17:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:16:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: command line parameters and C-Kermit Date: 6 Jun 1995 17:16:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3r22i7$d6j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r0iij$ffc@detroit.freenet.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r0iij$ffc@detroit.freenet.org>, Marc Zuckman wrote: >Is there a command line switch that will prevent C-kermit >from hanging up the line after a file transfer operation >is performed. > >I am using another communications program (minicom 1.71) >on a Linux system. minicom calls kermit with a command >line that looks like this for an upload: > >kermit -i -l /dev/ttyS0 -b 9600 -s uploadfilename > >As soon as the file transfer completes, kermit hangs up the >line, and exits back to minicom. > Right. When any UNIX program exits, all of the files that it opened are closed automatically. That's a feature of UNIX. The command-line option "-l /dev/ttyS0" tells Kermit to open /dev/ttyS0, and so it will be closed, and therefore also hung up when Kermit exits. In fact, I am surprised that Kermit will even open the device, since, presumably, minicom already has it open and therefore, also presumably, has it "locked", which is supposed to prevent any other program from opening it at the same time. The solution to both of these problems is to give Kermit the file descriptor for the already-open device, instead of a device name. I don't know anything about minicom, but I expect that it must have a way of passing this information to external protocols, otherwise how could it possibly run them? The file descriptor is a small integer. When Kermit gets an integer as the argument to the "-l" option, it simply uses it as a file descriptor, and does not make any effort to close it upon exit. Example: kermit -i -l 4 -b 9600 -s uploadfilename - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 15:59:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18113 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 14:31:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19785 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 14:31:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca!dddau From: dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca (Doug Dau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 6 Jun 1995 15:59:11 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3r1u0f$tnu@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qtbvi$a4o@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qtfnp$gca@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3qtt35$gji@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qv083$6r1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: :>In article <3qtt35$gji@news.doit.wisc.edu>, :>Glenn R. Howes wrote: :>>Then base it around OpenDoc which is extremely cross platform :>>and will protect us from the code bloat of Microsoft and OLE. :>> :>More "standards"... I have to admit I have not even looked at :>OpenDoc. Why should I? Without even knowing what it is, let me :>take a guess: it is some new "standard" put forward by yet another :>"consortium" of "major players" which is so complex that the only :>way anyone could incorporate "compliance" with it into one's :>applications would be by licensing proprietary libraries and :>bloated development environments, and which, no matter how :>portable it is said to be, will not come close to covering the :>400+ platforms covered by C-Kermit, the code base for Macintosh :>Kermit. And which probably requires megabytes of memory and disk, :>etc etc. Maybe I'm jaded, but don't these "standards" pop up and :>then fall by the wayside on a yearly basis? Am I the only one who :>sees the entire software industry grinding to a halt as it chases :>the holy grail of the latest self-proclaimed "standard" from :>Microsoft, Apple, IBM, or various consortia that fill the trade :>publications with glorious proclamations of future cooperation and :>openness, only to melt away before anybody has noticed? Whoa. I think we're talking OpenTransport here rather than OpenDoc here. OpenDoc is an object-oriented document system which has nothing to do with data communications and is a consortium project between Apple, IBM, Novell, etc. OpenTransport is Apple's upcoming low-level data communications/networking infrastructure with which Apple intends to replace the existing Mac communications/networking infrastructure in a couple of years and, as far as I'm aware, is an Apple-only project. -- Doug Dau Internet: dddau@acs.ucalgary.ca University Computing Services Phone: 403-220-6217 University of Calgary Fax: 403-282-9199 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 20:19:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:19:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:19:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.1 - Losing bytes during transfer Date: 6 Jun 1995 20:19:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3r2d8a$son@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qvkjl$4cm@jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qvkjl$4cm@jhunix1.hcf.jhu.edu>, Support Net Help Des wrote: : I have a user on a 486 PC clone using Kermit v3.1 to a UNIX machine : running 4E(027) (Jan 24, 1989). They are transferring (using Binary) : a Lotus spreadsheet file to the UNIX machine. After the transfer : is complete, they notice that the size of the transferred version : of the file is smaller than the orginal. What's more, if they : take the transferred version and transfer it back down to the PC, : the size further decreases. : : It is my understanding that Kermit was to protect against this sort : of "byte loss". Is this a bug, or is there something the user : forgot to set? : It's likely to be a bug in the very old version of C-Kermit that you are using. Or maybe in the old version of MS-DOS Kermit. The best thing to do is install the current versions, 5A(190) and 3.14 respectively, and see if the problem persists. If so, send mail to kermit.columbia.edu and we'll figure out what's wrong. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 19:40:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 20:45:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18079 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 20:45:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com!chuck From: chuck@cmhcsys.com (Chuck Stickelman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit as data-entry clerk Date: 6 Jun 1995 19:40:33 GMT Organization: CMHC Systems, Dublin, Ohio Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3r2avh$cdm@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cmhcsys.com Summary: Using kermit to eliminate data-entry redundancy Keywords: kermit variables X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950515BETA PL0] X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Howdy all, I'll start w/ a little background: We have a customer how needs to get information from our proprietary database into a county-wide system. Unfortunately, the county-wide system does not allow batch transfers of any kind. Therefore, the customer has been paying a full-time employee to run a couple of reports on our system and then re-key the data into the other database. Needless to say, this is less than ideal. I proposed that we output the data to a DOS file in a format Kermit would like: {field data }{more field data }{even more...} etc. No problem. Then I thought we could use Kermit's 'read', 'assign' and 'output' commands to fake the remote system into thinking a real -live human was on the other end. Something like: define parse assign \%a \%1, assign \%b \%2, assign \%c \%3, ... open somefile.dat read \%z parse \%z output \%a output \%b output \%c ... However, the records in somefile.dat have too many fields (>35 in one instance) and I'm running out of both temporary and permanent variables. I've read the relevant pages in "Using MS-KERMIT" and understand that there are 10 temporary variables (0-9) and 26 permanent variables (a-z), but wonder if there's anyway I can "easily" change that or get around those limitations!? I'm open to ideas, comments or what-ever. I don't expect anyone else to code this for me, just looking for different perspectives. FWIW, I've considered breaking the records into multiple lines for the read command, but I think this will make the whole process much more fragile than it already is... Thanks Chuck -- Charles A. Stickelman PC Sales Engineer CMHC Systems, Inc. Work: (614) 764-0143 570 Metro Place North Sales: (800) 528-9025 Dublin, OH 43017 USA FAX: (614) 764-0439 -- -- Charles A. Stickelman PC Sales Engineer CMHC Systems, Inc. Work: (614) 764-0143 570 Metro Place North Sales: (800) 528-9025 Dublin, OH 43017 USA FAX: (614) 764-0439 -- From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 20:06:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:03:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:03:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!chaos.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be!idefix.CS.kuleuven.ac.be!infoserv.rug.ac.be!eduserv!rsamanya From: rsamanya@eduserv.rug.ac.be (ranan samanya) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: semaphore Date: 6 Jun 1995 20:06:16 GMT Organization: University of Ghent, Belgium Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3r2cfo$e16@infoserv.rug.ac.be> Nntp-Posting-Host: eduserv.rug.ac.be X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In one of the features, it is said that C-Kermit has fast semaphores. What does it mean? the Indonesian Cita Ceria, under OS/2 <\> ranan samanya ranan.samanya@rug.ac.be FIDONet 2:292/880.5 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 6 21:12:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:03:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:03:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!dakota.chem.wisc.edu!grhowes From: Glenn R. Howes Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 6 Jun 1995 21:12:01 GMT Organization: UW-Chemistry Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3r2gb1$o6a@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qtt35$gji@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qv083$6r1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3r1u0f$tnu@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: dakota.chem.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.3_68K X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:13:03 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r1u0f$tnu@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> Doug Dau, dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca writes: >Whoa. I think we're talking OpenTransport here rather than >OpenDoc here. > >OpenDoc is an object-oriented document system which has nothing >to do with data communications and is a consortium project >between Apple, IBM, Novell, etc. > >OpenTransport is Apple's upcoming low-level data >communications/networking infrastructure with which Apple intends >to replace the existing Mac communications/networking >infrastructure in a couple of years and, as far as I'm aware, is >an Apple-only project. Perhaps your right, however, I'm thinking of a future where the document centered paradigm of OpenDoc encompasses all aspects of what is now handled by the application centered paradigm. While I haven't seen it, Apple has demonstrated an OpenDoc container called CyberDog whose parts are things like ftp clients, WWW Browsers, JPEG Viewers, Sound Players. Third party developers can add things like a Kermit VT220 Telnet part for instance. If you are interested in this sort of thing, check out: http://www.ziff.com:8006/~macweek/mw_051595/news3.html --glenn From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 7 15:20:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:20:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:20:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit as data-entry clerk Date: 7 Jun 1995 15:20:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 87 Message-Id: <3r4g3v$cdr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r2avh$cdm@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: kermit variables Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r2avh$cdm@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com>, Chuck Stickelman wrote: : We have a customer how needs to get information from our proprietary : database into a county-wide system. Unfortunately, the county-wide : system does not allow batch transfers of any kind. Therefore, the : customer has been paying a full-time employee to run a couple of : reports on our system and then re-key the data into the other database. : Needless to say, this is less than ideal. : : I proposed that we output the data to a DOS file in a format Kermit : would like: {field data }{more field data }{even more...} etc. : No problem. Then I thought we could use Kermit's 'read', 'assign' : and 'output' commands to fake the remote system into thinking a real : -live human was on the other end. Something like: : : define parse assign \%a \%1, assign \%b \%2, assign \%c \%3, ... : open somefile.dat : read \%z : parse \%z : output \%a : output \%b : output \%c : ... : : However, the records in somefile.dat have too many fields (>35 in one : instance) and I'm running out of both temporary and permanent variables. : I've read the relevant pages in "Using MS-KERMIT" and understand that : there are 10 temporary variables (0-9) and 26 permanent variables (a-z), : but wonder if there's anyway I can "easily" change that or get around : those limitations!? : Yes, there are many ways to do this. First, two observations: 1. If you are providing Kermit software to your customers, you have to obtain written permission from the Office of Kermit Development and Distribution at Columbia University. Email to kermit@columbia.edu for further information. 2. You'll need version 3.14. So you are saying that you can't do the obvious thing, namely: open somefile.dat :loop read \%z if fail goto done output \%z ; or "output \%z\13", etc, ... goto loop :done In other words, you have to send one "word" at a time? One solution that suggests itself immediately is to create the original file in a different format, e.g. one field per line. You just have to think up some convention for distinguishing between a field boundary and a record boundary. (It's not clear to me from your description how you were doing this in the first place -- I don't see any kind of field or record delimiters in your example.) MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 includes a full complement of string manipulation functions -- index, substring, replace, etc, that you should be able to use creatively to solve your problem. For example (assuming fields are delimited by a single space): :RECORDS read \%a ; read a record if fail goto done ; no more, we're finished :FIELDS assign \%j \flength(\%a) ; length of record if > \%j 0 goto gotfield ; no (more) fields, get another output ??? ; send your record delimiter here goto records ; go get next record :GOTFIELD assign \%i \findex({ },\%a,1) ; got record, find first space decrement \%i if < \%i 1 asg \%i \%j ; no spaces, must be last field assign \%f \fsubstr(\%a,1,\%i) ; get the field output \%f ; send it (and add field delimiter) increment \%i 2 ; point past it assign \%a \fsubstr(\%a,\%i) ; and go get next field goto fields :DONE See KERMIT.UPD for more info about string functions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 7 23:07:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 7 Jun 1995 19:07:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21998 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 7 Jun 1995 19:07:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for CICS/VSE question. Date: 7 Jun 1995 23:07:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3r5bg0$lf9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3qvl7v$qm9@hecate.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qvl7v$qm9@hecate.umd.edu>, Rodney Clayton wrote: >How does Kermit for CICS/VSE read and write files to VSE? >Does it dynamically create SD files? >Does it create VSAM files? I answered this privately by e-mail, but here's a quick note in case anyone else was wondering... Kermit-CICS doesn't create files dynamically, except within the Kermit- maintained directory stored on a VSAM file. Kermit can write TD and TS queues, and the latter are indeed created dynamically, but are only temporary. This is all described in the user's guide. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 7 03:29:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20986 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 7 Jun 1995 22:29:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 7 Jun 1995 22:29:38 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!mkercher From: mkercher@netcom.com (Matthew Kercher) Subject: Re: Kermit as data-entry clerk Message-Id: Keywords: kermit variables Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3r2avh$cdm@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 03:29:27 GMT Lines: 36 Sender: mkercher@netcom16.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu chuck@cmhcsys.com (Chuck Stickelman) writes: >I proposed that we output the data to a DOS file in a format Kermit >would like: {field data }{more field data }{even more...} etc. > define parse assign \%a \%1, assign \%b \%2, assign \%c \%3, ... > open somefile.dat > read \%z > parse \%z > output \%a > output \%b > output \%c >However, the records in somefile.dat have too many fields (>35 in one >instance) and I'm running out of both temporary and permanent variables. >Charles A. Stickelman I have a bunch of macros that I'll mail to you (too big to post here) which take a line of text and parse it into named variables ($1 - $9). I'll also send you some shift-left and shift-right macros which make manipulating these variables easy. The problems that I've worked around are: . MSK's \%1 - \%9 variables work great for most things, but the command parser doesn't like to expand them at the end of definitions or assignments (e.g., _assign $\m(x) works great, but _assign $\%1 doesn't work for some reason having to do with the way the line is parsed). . You only have 9 command line variables and no way to shift them down easily. Read puts the entire line (record) into the variable \%z, but getting at the fields past 9 has proven difficult (but solvable by parsing, shifting, etc.) -Matt (mkercher@netcom.com) -- /-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-\ | Matt Kercher kercher@netcom.com | + Naval Aviation Depot (0413) (510) 263-6502 + | Alameda, CA 94501-5008 | + Standard disclaimer-these thoughts are mine, thank you. + \-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 7 20:38:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 06:33:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 06:33:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 7 Jun 1995 20:38:55 GMT From: ts4@piis10.joanneum.ac.at Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 16:22:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 17:52:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 17:52:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!cobra.uni.edu!cobra.uni.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: LPT Output to File Message-Id: <1995Jun8.112242.44384@cobra.uni.edu> From: marty.mark@uni.edu Date: 8 Jun 95 11:22:42 -0500 Reply-To: marty.mark@uni.edu Organization: University of Northern Iowa Nntp-Posting-Host: mark.iscs.uni.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Using Kermit for DOS v3.13 is it possible to redirect printer output to an ascii file? Thank you! Marty Mark, University of Northern Iowa marty.mark@uni.edu 319-273-6258 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 15:47:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01663 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 19:06:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 19:06:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Xon-Xoff and modem buffers help Message-Id: <1995Jun8.114735.1048@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 8 Jun 95 11:47:35 -0400 Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Net people and Kermit hackers ( in the old sense of the word, please! ), I am in a quandary... If i set my pratical periperals modems to factory defualts, and then use x-on xoff flow control as demanded by VMS's hacker ( ok, new sense ! ) evasion, then all is very nice, no errors, but if I xoff and try to stop the flow of data to the screen, there is a humongous buffer in the modems somewhere of data already in the pipeline that will not respond to the xoff.. On the other hand, if i take all error corrections off and make the modem try to be a direct wire, i can xoff and xon nicely, but errors abound as in Psalm 19:12 "Who can discern his errors? ... " 8-) So, after downloading a 200 page paper from Practical Periperials, I'm throughtly confused... Should I enable all error corrections, and then enable pass-thru xon xoff via the Q commands??? Or am I still talking moonshine? My Old setup was 19.2 Kbaud ports on the DECserver, 1.44 pp modems, and generic whatever to dial in, testing with pp modems.. I'm open to change/ideas. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 07:36:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 21:06:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 21:06:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!demon!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!swrinde!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WinKermit v2.x Message-Id: <1995Jun8.123617.7833@ais.com> Date: 8 Jun 95 12:36:17 EST References: <009918A6.E21F4FBD@vms.csd.mu.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <009918A6.E21F4FBD@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 3rx7donetss@vms.csd.mu.edu (SIMCHA) writes: > Hey, > I pulled off a fantastic kermit program that runs in Windows 3.1 and > allows for the convenience of multitasking. I'm fairly certain that > this is the latest version of this software (ftp: > Oak.oakland.edu/SimTel/win3/internet/wnkerm23.zip). However, there is > one very annoying aspect--it transfers a max of 94 bytes per packet!! > Although you can work on other things during downloads, it is 30 times > slower than ms-kermit. > > If anyone has a solution, I would be extremely grateful. > > Thanks in advance, > > Si WinKermit, as you note, does do a pretty good job of doing basic terminal emulation under Windows. Its file transfer capabilities are, however, minimal. If the terminal emulation aspect is sufficient for your purposes, then go for it; otherwise, you will have to stick with MS-DOS Kermit or use something like the Zmodem protocol in WinQVT (its Kermit protocol support is also rather minimal) or some similar program. Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 06:59:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 21:34:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23229 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 21:34:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: LPT Output to File Message-Id: <1995Jun8.125931.53658@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Jun 95 12:59:31 MDT References: <1995Jun8.112242.44384@cobra.uni.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun8.112242.44384@cobra.uni.edu>, marty.mark@uni.edu writes: > Using Kermit for DOS v3.13 is it possible to redirect printer output to an ascii file? > > Thank you! > Marty Mark, University of Northern Iowa > marty.mark@uni.edu > 319-273-6258 ------------ The manual, command SET PRINTER . Defaults to device PRN. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 7 21:58:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 22:20:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 22:20:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit script and macro libraries. Date: 7 Jun 1995 21:58:24 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3r57e0$obt@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a FAQ listing where various, sundry and useful Kermit Macros & and Scripts can be found on the net? From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 07:09:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 22:27:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 22:27:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Xon-Xoff and modem buffers help Message-Id: <1995Jun8.130932.53660@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Jun 95 13:09:32 MDT References: <1995Jun8.114735.1048@gems.vcu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun8.114735.1048@gems.vcu.edu>, agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: > Dear Net people and Kermit hackers ( in the old sense of the word, > please! ), > > I am in a quandary... > > If i set my pratical periperals modems to factory defualts, and then > use x-on xoff flow control as demanded by VMS's hacker ( ok, new sense > ! ) evasion, then all is very nice, no errors, but if I xoff and try > to stop the flow of data to the screen, there is a humongous buffer in > the modems somewhere of data already in the pipeline that will not > respond to the xoff.. > > On the other hand, if i take all error corrections off and make the > modem try to be a direct wire, i can xoff and xon nicely, but errors > abound as in Psalm 19:12 "Who can discern his errors? ... " 8-) > > So, after downloading a 200 page paper from Practical Periperials, > I'm throughtly confused... Should I enable all error corrections, and > then enable pass-thru xon xoff via the Q commands??? Or am I still > talking moonshine? > > My Old setup was 19.2 Kbaud ports on the DECserver, 1.44 pp modems, > and generic whatever to dial in, testing with pp modems.. I'm open > to change/ideas. --------------- You can bypass much of the problem by defining a convenient key as keyboard verb \Kholdscrn and then relying upon point to point flow control of hardware or software kinds to handle the comms link. The holdscreen operation blocks reading of the comms buffer which drives the terminal emulator; it does not touch the comms link itself but rather lets the receive buffer fill to the high water mark. Since VAXen are not normally RTS/CTS flow control devices you are better off using specific flow control at each point in the link, to minimize propagation/buffer queue delays inherent in sending a bare XON/XOFF end to end to the remote VAX host to act upon. Please do ask someone to look carefully at the DECserver box to ascertain how it wishes to be treated. If you try only end to end flow control then parts in the middle are highly vunerable to being overrun. Generally RTS/CTS between your PC and your modem is the most desirable configuration, and let your modem deal with the other modem, et seq. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 20:08:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 23:12:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Jun 1995 23:12:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!brit From: brit@metronet.com (Brit Systems) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: String manipulations Date: 8 Jun 1995 20:08:53 GMT Organization: BRIT Systems Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3r7lcl$956@feenix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What calls are there to parse a string? Like I need to get the filename out of a fully qualified filename. getfilename C:/SOME/DUMB.FIL will provide DUMB.FIL It's gotta be easy, but I can't find it. Robbie Barton -- BRIT Systems, Medical Imaging 3626 N. Hall Street, Suite 616, Dallas, TX 75219 (214) 528-4446 fax: (214) 528-4916 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 20:58:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 01:11:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05954 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 01:11:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!lamarck.sura.net!gozer.inri.com!gozer.inri.com!not-for-mail From: jjf@inri.com (Josh J Fielek) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Subject: CONNECT question... Date: 8 Jun 1995 16:58:20 -0400 Organization: Inter-National Research Institute Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3r7o9c$ohb@gozer.inri.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer.inri.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay, folks, I have an oddball question. I am fairly new to kermit scripts, and I am in the process of porting from one machine to another a series of kermit scripts. I've come across a minor bugaboo -- When issuing a connect over a TCP/IP connection, either through TELNET or CONNECT, the login sequence from the target machine grabs command of the terminal window and will control it until I force an escape back to kermit. This mungs up the automatic nature of the login, and essentially makes the script useless. The version of C-kermit is : C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for HP-UX 9.0 Numeric: 501190 Any suggestions? J. Fielek -- Joshua J. Fielek DoD#385 AMA#517381 WERA#968 Teej Idolator #00001 Inter-National Research Institute, Inc. 1981 R80G/S-PD* 1990 906 Paso* jjf@inri.com 1975 RD350 1990 EX500(cold backup) What can I say... I'm a moto-slut. 1988 EX500* 198X Aero 80(Turbo)* From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 21:07:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17349 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 01:28:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 01:28:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!dbikle.a2i!dbikle From: Dan Bikle Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How I kermit files over tcp/ip? Date: 8 Jun 1995 21:07:04 GMT Organization: Caltech Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dbikle Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi there, Normally, I transfer files (between unixes) over tcp/ip using ftp. But, I'm at a site where I have 2 problems -the initial ftp login is very slow (5 minutes!) -the connection closes after 900 seconds of inactivity Also, I can't connect directly to other sites. I need to ftp a gateway machine which asks me where I want to establish an ftp connection. So I tell it and then I get to wait. So, I'm thinking... how about if I telnet to the site (initial login takes about 30sec), and then use kermit to transfer files back and forth? Have you got this to work (between 2 unixes)? -Dan --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel B. Bikle/Independent Oracle Consultant dbikle@alumni.caltech.edu | 415/941-6276 | P.O. BOX 70 LOS ALTOS CA 94023 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 01:05:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 04:12:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11712 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 04:12:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.netins.net!usenet From: RLUHMAN@netins.net (Rick Luhman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: pegasus to Unix conversion Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 01:05:45 GMT Organization: INS Information Services, Des Moines, Iowa, USA Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3r5bnu$52j@insosf1.netins.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: s3212.netins.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu At my place of employment we have two mail systems. The first is pegasus on our Local Network. The second is Pine mail (UNIX) on a Sun computer. We do not have access to a SLIP or a PPP connection. We have about 15 hookups to the Sun through a pad. Is it possible to compose a message in pegasus, queue that message, convert it to a Unix format, upload the message to the Sun computer via kermit, and than send the message through internet mail? I know that this may be complicated procedure and may not be possible, but if I can somehow automate a procedure through a kermit script file we will have the ability to do all of our mail with one mail system. Rick Luhman From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 15:17:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:17:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22988 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:17:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: pegasus to Unix conversion Date: 9 Jun 1995 15:17:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3r9omj$me6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r5bnu$52j@insosf1.netins.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3r5bnu$52j@insosf1.netins.net>, Rick Luhman wrote: : At my place of employment we have two mail systems. The first is : pegasus on our Local Network. The second is Pine mail (UNIX) on a Sun : computer. We do not have access to a SLIP or a PPP connection. We : have about 15 hookups to the Sun through a pad. Is it possible to : compose a message in pegasus, queue that message, convert it to a Unix : format, upload the message to the Sun computer via kermit, and than : send the message through internet mail? : Yes. : I know that this may be complicated procedure and may not be : possible, but if I can somehow automate a procedure through a : kermit script file we will have the ability to do all of our mail : with one mail system. : Many sites do this sort of thing. The Kermit script language is perfect for it. See the appropriate "Using..." book for complete instructions on writing script programs, with numerous examples and illustrations, etc. For more info about the manuals, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 15:35:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:35:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:35:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: String manipulations Date: 9 Jun 1995 15:35:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3r9pob$nr8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r7lcl$956@feenix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r7lcl$956@feenix.metronet.com>, Brit Systems wrote: >What calls are there to parse a string? >Like I need to get the filename out of a fully qualified filename. > >getfilename C:/SOME/DUMB.FIL >will provide DUMB.FIL > >It's gotta be easy, but I can't find it. > When posting questions like this to (as Pnews would say) "the entire civilized world", it's always a good idea to make your posting as useful as possible -- in this case by specifying which software and version you are talking about. Let's assume you are using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (not earlier) or C-Kermit 5A(190). In that case, the answer is yes. Read about the string functions in the KERMIT.UPD file that comes on the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette, or in the book "Using C-Kermit". Here, for example, is a (perhaps not totally straightforward) trick for getting the "basename" from a DOS file specification, which is in the variable \%f: asg \%f \\\%f ; Prepend a backslash asg \%9 \freverse(\%f) ; Reverse the string asg \%8 \findex(\,\%9,1) ; Find first backslash decrement \%8 ; Length of string before backslash asg \%9 \fsubstr(\%9,1,\%8) ; Extract it asg \%9 \freverse(\%9) ; Unreverse it - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 15:40:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15104 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:41:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:41:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Subject: Re: CONNECT question... Date: 9 Jun 1995 15:40:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 67 Message-Id: <3r9q23$o5a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r7o9c$ohb@gozer.inri.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r7o9c$ohb@gozer.inri.com>, Josh J Fielek wrote: >Okay, folks, I have an oddball question. I am fairly new to kermit >scripts, and I am in the process of porting from one machine to >another a series of kermit scripts. I've come across a minor bugaboo. > No you haven't, you just haven't read the manual, which explains how script programming works. >When issuing a connect over a TCP/IP connection, either through TELNET >or CONNECT, the login sequence from the target machine grabs command >of the terminal window and will control it until I force an escape >back to kermit. This mungs up the automatic nature of the login, and >essentially makes the script useless. > Because you are using the wrong commands. If you had read the manual, you would know that the CONNECT command *connects* your keyboard and screen to the remote host, suspending executing of any script (command file or macro) until the CONNECT command terminates, i.e. until you escape back or the remote host breaks the connection. Don't use CONNECT in a script program unless that's what you want. If you want your script program to interact with the remote host or service, omit the CONNECT command and use INPUT and OUTPUT commands instead. Please read the manual before posting more questions like this. Thanks. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Telephone: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +2 212 663-8202 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add US $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. 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Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 15:44:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:45:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25176 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:45:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How I kermit files over tcp/ip? Date: 9 Jun 1995 15:44:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3r9q9n$ohh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net>, Dan Bikle wrote: : Normally, I transfer files (between unixes) over tcp/ip using ftp. : But, I'm at a site where I have 2 problems : : -the initial ftp login is very slow (5 minutes!) : -the connection closes after 900 seconds of inactivity : : Also, I can't connect directly to other sites. I need : to ftp a gateway machine which asks me where I want to : establish an ftp connection. So I tell it and then I : get to wait. So, I'm thinking... : how about if I telnet to the site (initial login takes about 30sec), : and then use kermit to transfer files back and forth? : : Have you got this to work (between 2 unixes)? : Of course. UNIX C-Kermit is a full telnet client, which (unlike telnet itself) is also capable of transferring files, and (also unlike telnet itself) can be programmed to do everything automatically, using its script language. Thus, if you connection take a long time, you don't have sit there impatiently waiting for the login process to complete -- just write a script program to do it, start it up, and go out to lunch while it runs. For further information, see our Web site at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 07:37:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 15:58:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 15:58:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How I kermit files over tcp/ip? Message-Id: <1995Jun9.123757.94813@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: tdsmith@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (SMITH TROY D) Date: 9 Jun 95 12:37:57 CDT References: <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net> <1995Jun8.180241.53692@cc.usu.edu> Distribution: world Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 54 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net>, Dan Bikle writes: [snip] : > : > So, I'm thinking... : > how about if I telnet to the site (initial login takes about 30sec), : > and then use kermit to transfer files back and forth? : > : > Have you got this to work (between 2 unixes)? : --------- : Yes, of course it works. I'm puzzled about why you asked rather : than just trying it. Go try it, please. : Joe D. I tried it between VMS and OSF/1 and couldn't escape back to OSF/1. The only escape sequence that worked was the one that dumped me back to the MS-DOS Kermit prompt. Situation: Dial into terminal server with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, telnet to OSF/1 box, start C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, DEC OSF/1 1.0 telnet (from within C-Kermit) to the VMS box, start C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, OpenVMS AXP put it in server mode, then get stuck. I couldn't escape back to OSF/1's C-Kermit, only to MS-DOS Kermit. The only way out was to hang up. Note: I'm using WinQVT/Net today, so I was able to try it without worrying about confusing MS-DOS Kermit. I have a terminal window that is stuck at KERMIT READY TO SERVE... I can't seem to escape out of VMS's Kermit back to the OSF/1's Kermit. I'm in another window right now that is also connected to the OSF/1 box, so I guess I'll go back out to the shell and issue a kill -9 pid to kill the stuck session. If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. I tried every control key to get out of this. The only one that responded was ^esc, which popped up the task list in Windows. Thanks, Troy Smith P.S. I know that the versions of C-Kermit that we're running are a bit outdated, but I'm not the sysadmin on either machine and am not in a position to make the upgrade--thanks for the suggestion, though. Also, the OSF/1's Kermit is fibbing--we're running OSF/1 3.0, to be upgraded to 3.2 this weekend. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 02:34:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:13:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:13:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!vms.csd.mu.edu!3RX7DONETSS From: 3rx7donetss@vmsa.csd.mu.edu (SIMCHA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WinKermit v2.x Date: 8 Jun 1995 02:34:07 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 8 Message-Id: <009918A6.E21F4FBD@vms.csd.mu.edu> Reply-To: 3rx7donetss@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: vmsb.csd.mu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hey, I pulled off a fantastic kermit program that runs in Windows 3.1 and allows for the convenience of multitasking. I'm fairly certain that this is the latest version of this software (ftp: Oak.oakland.edu/SimTel/win3/internet/wnkerm23.zip). However, there is one very annoying aspect--it transfers a max of 94 bytes per packet!! Although you can work on other things during downloads, it is 30 times slower than ms-kermit. If anyone has a solution, I would be extremely grateful. Thanks in advance, Si From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 23:15:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:15:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:15:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How I kermit files over tcp/ip? Date: 9 Jun 1995 23:15:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3rakn5$q7i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net> <1995Jun8.180241.53692@cc.usu.edu> <1995Jun9.123757.94813@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun9.123757.94813@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, SMITH TROY D wrote: :Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: ::In article <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net>, :: Dan Bikle writes: :: > So, I'm thinking... :: > how about if I telnet to the site (initial login takes about 30sec), :: > and then use kermit to transfer files back and forth? :: > Have you got this to work (between 2 unixes)? :: --------- :: Yes, of course it works. I'm puzzled about why you asked rather :: than just trying it. Go try it, please. :: Joe D. : :I tried it between VMS and OSF/1 and couldn't escape back to OSF/1. The :only escape sequence that worked was the one that dumped me back to the :MS-DOS Kermit prompt. : Kermit, like telnet, has the notion of an "escape character" followed by a single character-argument. If you have a series of Kermit and/or telnet programs in CONNECT mode, then typing C brings you immediately back to the closest one whose escape character is Ctrl-\. In general, suppose you are running C-Kermit on host A, connected to intermediate host H1, and from there to intermediate host H2, etc, up to intermediate host Hn, and from there to host B, like so: A---H1---H2---H3- ... -Hn---B Then Ctrl-\C brings you back immediately to host A. Why? Because that is exactly what it is supposed to do. Remember, the copy of C-Kermit running on host A is the one that is reading your keyboard. Whenever it sees the escape character, it looks at the single character that follows, and this character tells it what to do. If the next character is C, then it returns to its prompt. But if the next character is a second copy of the escape character, then it sends *one* copy of the escape character out the communication channel, where it is received, in this case, by host H1. So if you want to escape back to host H1, what do you type? Answer: Ctrl-\Ctrl-\C Quiz: what do you type in order to escape back to host H2? H3? Hn? Hint: You can work around conundrums like this by assigning a different escape character to the Kermit (or telnet) running on each host. Use the SET ESCAPE command for this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 09:36:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17112 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 00:03:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 00:03:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How I kermit files over tcp/ip? Message-Id: <1995Jun9.153653.53748@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Jun 95 15:36:53 MDT References: <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net> <1995Jun8.180241.53692@cc.usu.edu> <1995Jun9.123757.94813@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 64 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun9.123757.94813@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (SMITH TROY D) writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > : In article <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net>, Dan Bikle writes: > [snip] > : > > : > So, I'm thinking... > : > how about if I telnet to the site (initial login takes about 30sec), > : > and then use kermit to transfer files back and forth? > : > > : > Have you got this to work (between 2 unixes)? > : --------- > : Yes, of course it works. I'm puzzled about why you asked rather > : than just trying it. Go try it, please. > : Joe D. > > I tried it between VMS and OSF/1 and couldn't escape back to OSF/1. The > only escape sequence that worked was the one that dumped me back to the > MS-DOS Kermit prompt. > > Situation: > > Dial into terminal server with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, telnet to OSF/1 box, > start > > C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, DEC OSF/1 1.0 > > telnet (from within C-Kermit) to the VMS box, start > > C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, OpenVMS AXP > > put it in server mode, then get stuck. I couldn't escape back to OSF/1's > C-Kermit, only to MS-DOS Kermit. The only way out was to hang up. > > Note: I'm using WinQVT/Net today, so I was able to try it without > worrying about confusing MS-DOS Kermit. I have a terminal window > that is stuck at KERMIT READY TO SERVE... > > I can't seem to escape out of VMS's Kermit back to the OSF/1's Kermit. > I'm in another window right now that is also connected to the OSF/1 > box, so I guess I'll go back out to the shell and issue a kill -9 pid > to kill the stuck session. > > If you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. I tried every > control key to get out of this. The only one that responded was ^esc, > which popped up the task list in Windows. > > Thanks, > > Troy Smith > > P.S. I know that the versions of C-Kermit that we're running are a > bit outdated, but I'm not the sysadmin on either machine and am not > in a position to make the upgrade--thanks for the suggestion, though. > Also, the OSF/1's Kermit is fibbing--we're running OSF/1 3.0, to be > upgraded to 3.2 this weekend. --------- Yup to the P.S. Please do, and recommend the remote VAX sysadmin do the same. To end Kermit packet mode (protocol mode, if you like) issue a FINISH or BYE command from the client. FIN leaves the other end running, BYE shut down the far end and logs out the comms connection. That's in the manual. To escape back to a "local (one hop away)" C Kermit prompt issue the C Kermit escape character, Control-\, from MS-DOS Kermit. Works fine for me. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 10 01:36:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 00:19:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12628 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 00:19:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!demon!btnet!news.easynet.co.uk!carphone From: carphone@easynet.co.uk (carphone warehouse) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sending NULL's to a printer Date: Sat, 10 Jun 95 01:36:40 GMT Organization: the carphone warehouse Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3rafdj$dn2@news.easynet.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: carphone.easynet.co.uk Keywords: KERMIT, VT320, NULL, PRINTER X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone help me ? We are looking to drive a printer via kermit and the command we need to send is p Unfortunately, KERMIT keeps stripping out the character. Can this be stopped ? Please could you answer either by posting to this group or by e-mailing me at the address below. Thanks Leon Russell - Carphone Warehouse IT Dept From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 05:38:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 01:21:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 01:21:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!chan1372 From: chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk (Miriam Chan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Chinese input Date: 8 Jun 1995 05:38:22 GMT Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3r62ce$2fr@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> References: <3r15rg$non@tst.hk.super.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: @dec41.cs.cuhk.hk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mr John Michael Carroll (jcarroll@hk.super.net) wrote: :-) Has anyone tried using Kermit 3.14's terminal emulator with the ETEN :-) Chinese system in Big 5. I can display the characters fine, but the input :-) fails badly with some characters being truncated to one byte. Although I don't know what your problem is, but I have no problem in getting Kermit work with my Chinese system (Eten also.) By the way, did you set your UNIX terminal to pass 8-bits ? If you didn't, you can do that by type 'stty pass8' in the prompt. :-) Other :-) times, Kermit appears to try to interpret the first half of a character :-) as an instruction (to which the host curtly replies "invalid command"). I :-) guess it's a comparatively simple keyboard mapping problem. But any good :-) ideas will be gratefully received. I think it is the 'terminal control' setting which cause this, but I haven't experienced it. In my Kermit, I set this to 7-bit. Chan Wai Ming. -- ******************************************************************************* * 9q6l&a'} / E-mail address ::= chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk * * | s917635@mailserv.cuhk.hk (15/G$$$e) * * "W"`"Q$F&W / IRC nick ::= WMChan * ******************************************************************************* * 3/06)z \ _____________ / Chan Wai Ming, Miriam * * -;4d$$$e$j>G = | | = The Chinese University of Hong Kong * * 9q$l-p:b(t = | /-\|/-\|/.. | = Computer Science * * %|&~/Z / |_____________| \ Year 4 (Undergraduate) * * ^^^^^ Intelligent * * Chinese-English Translator ;) * ******************************************************************************* From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 06:31:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 03:45:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 03:45:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!trane.uninett.no!nac.no!Norway.EU.net!telepost.no!oslonett.no!oslonett.no!not-for-mail From: perlange@oslonett.no (Per H Lange) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and AIX X.25 Date: 8 Jun 1995 08:31:43 +0200 Organization: Oslonett public access Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3r65gf$b4d@hasle.oslonett.no> Nntp-Posting-Host: hasle.oslonett.no X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone adapted the Sun X.25 sources to the IBM AIX version of X.25 ? Thanks Steinthor -- Per H. Lange | CBA A/S | perlange@oslonett.no | | From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 11:43:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 05:45:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 05:45:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sending NULL's to a printer Message-Id: <1995Jun9.174309.53757@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Jun 95 17:43:09 MDT References: <3rafdj$dn2@news.easynet.co.uk> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3rafdj$dn2@news.easynet.co.uk>, carphone@easynet.co.uk (carphone warehouse) writes: > Can anyone help me ? > > We are looking to drive a printer via kermit and the command > we need to send is p > > Unfortunately, KERMIT keeps stripping out the character. > > Can this be stopped ? > > Please could you answer either by posting to this group or > by e-mailing me at the address below. > > Thanks > > Leon Russell - Carphone Warehouse IT Dept ------------- Should work just fine with transparent printing. Which Kermit (MS-DOS Kermit I presume), which version, and just how is the printing arranged (what did the host send to turn on printing)? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 10 21:57:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26625 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 17:57:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 17:57:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and AIX X.25 Date: 10 Jun 1995 21:57:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3rd4gi$de6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r65gf$b4d@hasle.oslonett.no> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3r65gf$b4d@hasle.oslonett.no>, Per H Lange wrote: >Has anyone adapted the Sun X.25 sources to the IBM AIX version of X.25 ? > No. It would be a good thing to expand C-Kermit's X.25 support, but unfortunately there is no standard API for X.25 as there is for TCP/IP. So what is really needed is for someone (not me -- I don't even have access to an X.25 network) to develop a standardized interface between C-Kermit and an X.25 network, and then write the necessary interfaces between it and SunLink X.25 (both old and new versions), AIX X.25, H-P X.25, DEC VAX PSI, etc. This would be a rather big job... If anybody is interested in doing this work, please let me know. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 10 15:34:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 18:12:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Jun 1995 18:12:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca!clark From: clark@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca (Jim Clark) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with ASK in adapting script to ethernet. Date: 10 JUN 95 15:34:17 GMT Organization: University of Winnipeg Lines: 73 Message-Id: <10JUN95.15341792@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi I am revising a Kermit script that worked fine with a serial line for use on ethernet network. The program, shown below, offers menu of choices and then performs initial login operations. Problem is that the ASK command used to get input from user now seems to hang up the program. Has anyone else had this problem and found a solution? I tried various things, including moving the TAKE that retrieves the internet addresses after the ASK, but nothing seems to work. Things seem to work OK if I remark out the problematic line and use ASSIGN to set the variable (\%v) for the selection. Any suggestions appreciated (even if I've overlooked something amazingly simple ... which has never happened before, of course). Best Wishes Jim James M. Clark CLARK@UWPG02.BITNET (note ZERO-TWO) Department of Psychology CLARK@UWPG02.UWINNIPEG.CA University of Winnipeg (204) 786-9313 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (204) 786-1824 FAX R3B 2E9 take c:\net\ipset.ini ; menu echo ************************************ echo B - Bridge (UofM and UofW libraries) echo M - Manitoba IBM Mainframe (UofM) echo U - Unix (UofW IO) echo V - Vax (UofW) echo ************************************ echo ;script hangs up at following ASK ;input accepted and assigned to variable but then nothing ;on , cursor moves to beginning of input prompt ;any additional characters typed overtype prompt ;next return ends up at Kermit prompt ;everything works OK if ASSIGN used for fixed value of \%v ask \%v Type letter of choice, then ?\32 ; choose subroutine if equal \%v b goto bridge if equal \%v m goto uman if equal \%v u goto io if equal \%v v goto vax stop ; end script if no match :bridge ; Bridge / UofM Library logon SET PORT TCP umopac.umanitoba.ca connect input UML=> output set lib uow\13 goto end :uman ; UofM Mainframe logon SET PORT TCP ccm.umanitoba.ca connect goto end :io ; IO Unix option SET PORT TCP io.uwinnipeg.ca connect goto end :vax ; Vax option SET PORT TCP uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca connect goto end :end From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 10:03:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 01:17:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 01:17:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: String manipulations Message-Id: <1995Jun8.160322.53682@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Jun 95 16:03:22 MDT References: <3r7lcl$956@feenix.metronet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r7lcl$956@feenix.metronet.com>, brit@metronet.com (Brit Systems) writes: > What calls are there to parse a string? > Like I need to get the filename out of a fully qualified filename. > > getfilename C:/SOME/DUMB.FIL > will provide DUMB.FIL > > It's gotta be easy, but I can't find it. ------------- For what operating system, please? Version of Kermit too. Take a look at the \f...() functions of the current C kermit and MS-DOS Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 23:16:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 02:50:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 02:50:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!interaccess!usenet From: maynard@interaccess.com (Maynard Riley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How I kermit files over tcp/ip? Date: 8 Jun 1995 23:16:13 GMT Organization: InterAccess, Chicago's best Internet Service Provider Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3r80bt$ado@nntp.interaccess.com> References: <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net> Reply-To: maynard@interaccess.com (Maynard Riley) Nntp-Posting-Host: d123.nnb.interaccess.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu should work if you telnet in and run kermit on the remote. I do it from OS/2 to a unix host From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 8 12:02:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19952 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 04:05:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 04:05:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How I kermit files over tcp/ip? Message-Id: <1995Jun8.180241.53692@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Jun 95 18:02:41 MDT References: <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net>, Dan Bikle writes: > Hi there, > > Normally, I transfer files (between unixes) over tcp/ip using ftp. > > But, I'm at a site where I have 2 problems > > -the initial ftp login is very slow (5 minutes!) > -the connection closes after 900 seconds of inactivity > > Also, I can't connect directly to other sites. I need > to ftp a gateway machine which asks me where I want to > establish an ftp connection. So I tell it and then I > get to wait. > > So, I'm thinking... > how about if I telnet to the site (initial login takes about 30sec), > and then use kermit to transfer files back and forth? > > Have you got this to work (between 2 unixes)? --------- Yes, of course it works. I'm puzzled about why you asked rather than just trying it. Go try it, please. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 10 12:55:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 04:20:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 04:20:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with ASK in adapting script to ethernet. Message-Id: <1995Jun10.185538.53818@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Jun 95 18:55:38 MDT References: <10JUN95.15341792@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 63 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <10JUN95.15341792@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca>, clark@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca (Jim Clark) writes: > Hi > > I am revising a Kermit script that worked fine with a serial line for use > on ethernet network. The program, shown below, offers menu of choices and then > performs initial login operations. Problem is that the ASK command used to get > input from user now seems to hang up the program. Has anyone else had this > problem and found a solution? I tried various things, including moving the > TAKE that retrieves the internet addresses after the ASK, but nothing seems to > work. Things seem to work OK if I remark out the problematic line and use > ASSIGN to set the variable (\%v) for the selection. Any suggestions > appreciated (even if I've overlooked something amazingly simple ... which has > never happened before, of course). > > Best Wishes > Jim > > James M. Clark CLARK@UWPG02.BITNET (note ZERO-TWO) > Department of Psychology CLARK@UWPG02.UWINNIPEG.CA > University of Winnipeg (204) 786-9313 > Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (204) 786-1824 FAX > R3B 2E9 > > > take c:\net\ipset.ini > > ; menu > echo ************************************ > echo B - Bridge (UofM and UofW libraries) > echo M - Manitoba IBM Mainframe (UofM) > echo U - Unix (UofW IO) > echo V - Vax (UofW) > echo ************************************ > echo > > ;script hangs up at following ASK > ;input accepted and assigned to variable but then nothing > ;on , cursor moves to beginning of input prompt > ;any additional characters typed overtype prompt > ;next return ends up at Kermit prompt > ;everything works OK if ASSIGN used for fixed value of \%v > > ask \%v Type letter of choice, then ?\32 > > ; choose subroutine > if equal \%v b goto bridge > if equal \%v m goto uman > if equal \%v u goto io > if equal \%v v goto vax > stop ; end script if no match > > :bridge ; Bridge / UofM Library logon > SET PORT TCP umopac.umanitoba.ca > connect > input UML=> > output set lib uow\13 > goto end --------- I don't think you want CONNECT before the script login particulars. Recall that CONNECT is a mode and won't be left until the user decides to do so. Scripts do NOT run in Connect mode. INPUT/OUTPUT do an automatic comms channel startup so they can perform their jobs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 16:53:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 05:29:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 05:28:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!nms.etri.re.kr!usenet From: kjcheon@tolley.etri.re.kr (Kyeong Jae Cheon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help, X, Y, Z and Kermit Protocol Specifications & Source Code Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 16:53:34 GMT Organization: ETRI Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3r86hq$h28@nms.etri.re.kr> Nntp-Posting-Host: p_kjcheon.etri.re.kr X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, everyone I would like to know basic communication protocols(X, Y, Z, Kermit). If you know ftp site or text book about them, please inform to me. Thank you. (Korean Language : Gam Sa Hap Ni Da.) From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 02:57:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22655 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 05:43:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 05:43:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!garybarr From: garybarr@netcom.com (Gary Barrentine) Subject: Kermit and 10baseT Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 02:57:32 GMT Lines: 17 Sender: garybarr@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A client has a Novell Netware 3.12 system based on a 10baseT network. I have added a Unixware machine to the network. I tested the Unixware system using BNC network connection and it worked fine. Now with the same set up with the exception of the connection type, none of the clients with kermit can find the Unixware box. Does anyone have a DOS based Netware 3.12 network with a unix box attached to it. Please help. GB -- ============================================================================ = The truth is out there! = D E F E A T = ====================================== is worse than death, for defeat = = garybarr@netcom.com = you must live with! = = Atlanta, GA = GET INTO THE ZONE!!! = = Gary Barrentine = BRUNZWICK ZONE! = ============================================================================ From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 11 14:46:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:46:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:46:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help, X, Y, Z and Kermit Protocol Specifications & Source Code Date: 11 Jun 1995 14:46:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3revkq$9ci@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r86hq$h28@nms.etri.re.kr> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r86hq$h28@nms.etri.re.kr>, Kyeong Jae Cheon wrote: >Hello, everyone >I would like to know basic communication protocols(X, Y, Z, Kermit). >If you know ftp site or text book about them, please inform to me. >Thank you. (Korean Language : Gam Sa Hap Ni Da.) > Frank da Cruz, "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", Digital Press / Butterworth Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. US single-copy price: $32.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $32.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $38 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +441 1933 414414 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) And... Tim Kienzle, "The Working Programmer's Guide to Serial Protocols", Coriolis Group Books, Scottsdale AZ (1995), ISBN 1-883577-20-9, Distributed by IDG Books Worldwide. Web: http://www.coriolis.com/coriolis/orders/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 11 02:40:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 11:26:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 11:26:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca!nsze From: nsze@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Newman Sze) Subject: Looking for a kermit program Message-Id: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 02:40:50 GMT Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2955 comp.protocols.misc:4702 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am looking for a MS-kermit, Please mail me if you know where I can obtain a copy. Thanks in advance Newman -- ........................................................................... -- -- ------ - -- - -- -- -- -- -- // \ // // \\ //\\ // //\\ //\\ //\\ //\ // From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 01:13:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:17:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21337 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:17:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and 10baseT Message-Id: <1995Jun9.071303.53720@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Jun 95 07:13:03 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , garybarr@netcom.com (Gary Barrentine) writes: > A client has a Novell Netware 3.12 system based on a 10baseT network. I have > added a Unixware machine to the network. I tested the Unixware system using > BNC network connection and it worked fine. Now with the same set up with > the exception of the connection type, none of the clients with kermit > can find the Unixware box. > > Does anyone have a DOS based Netware 3.12 network with a unix box attached > to it. Please help. -------------- It's not Kermit. Probably you've changed the wiring to go through another router and hence be on a different IP network with a new subnet mask, etc. In any case that's a matter you should bring up in TCP/IP News groups. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 13:49:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:30:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 14:30:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!lamarck.sura.net!gozer.inri.com!gozer.inri.com!not-for-mail From: jjf@inri.com (Josh J Fielek) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Subject: The manual... Date: 9 Jun 1995 09:49:17 -0400 Organization: Inter-National Research Institute Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3r9jgt$i7o@gozer.inri.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer.inri.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Could some kind soul post specifics about good C-Kermit books? J. Fielek K-newbie -- Joshua J. Fielek DoD#385 AMA#517381 WERA#968 Teej Idolator #00001 Inter-National Research Institute, Inc. 1981 R80G/S-PD* 1990 906 Paso* jjf@inri.com 1975 RD350 1990 EX500(cold backup) What can I say... I'm a moto-slut. 1988 EX500* 198X Aero 80(Turbo)* From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 11 19:13:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12850 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:13:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 15:13:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Subject: Re: The manual... Date: 11 Jun 1995 19:13:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3rff8f$nfl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3r9jgt$i7o@gozer.inri.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3r9jgt$i7o@gozer.inri.com>, Josh J Fielek wrote: >Could some kind soul post specifics about good C-Kermit books? > Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Telephone: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +2 212 663-8202 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add US $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 1933 414414 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) +27 031 294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 88,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 15:30:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 16:05:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 16:04:58 -0400 Date: 9 Jun 1995 15:30:10 GMT Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: KS Services <71264.2436@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: Control: cancel <3qtvc5$cu9$14@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <3qtvc5$cu9$14@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Excessive multi-posting (aka spam) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 9 12:33:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 18:31:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04679 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Jun 1995 18:31:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!labtam!news.mel.aone.net.au!OzEmail!usenet From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ms-Dos Kermit 3.13 versus 3.14 Date: 9 Jun 1995 12:33:49 GMT Organization: OzEmail Pty Ltd - Australia Lines: 2 Message-Id: <3r9f3d$7lc@oznet06.ozemail.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: slsyd2p03.ozemail.com.au Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 0 X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 3.10.06.07 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 13:05:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:15:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:15:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!syrinx.isotro.ca!user From: mark@isotro.ca (Mark M.) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit to Kermit Problem Date: 12 Jun 1995 10:05:39 -0300 Organization: Nova Scotia Technology Network Lines: 28 Sender: news@nstn.ns.ca Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: owl.nstn.ns.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to upload to a BBS (Wildcat S/W V3) using KEAterm V4.1. The two Kermits do not work, I get an error message: error: unable to open or write file I have tried many different settings for kermit - no luck. Downloading works fine. Procomm's kermit works fine with the Wildcat BBS S/W. Zmodem works fine. I have no problems connecting to Compuserve's kermit or others. Does anyone have any experience with these products. KEAterm supports CKERMIT v5a (188) or Kermit 32 V3.3.117 or better. Wildcat is not forthcoming in its level of Kermit support. The only diff I see is that KEAterm has a max packet size 1013 - procomm works fine at a packet size of 1024. Can it be that the packet size on the BBS s/w must see a size of 1024? Your experience and expertise is greatly appreciated. Please email me direct - I will summarize and repost. Thanks, -- Mark M. Ottawa, Canada mark@isotro.ca www.isotro.ca From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 04:42:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:01:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:01:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Kermit 3.1.4 makes my Windows 3.1 apps crash! Message-Id: <1995Jun12.104248.53890@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jun 95 10:42:48 MDT References: <3rhk95$l5@elna.ethz.ch> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3rhk95$l5@elna.ethz.ch>, FUTTERBAU@cumuli.vmsmail.ethz.ch (Frehner Marco) writes: > Hello > > I've been using Kermit for a while and with version 3.1.3 thing normally worked > quite well. Except for occasional crashes of otherwise well-behaved programs > (MS-Winword 2.0, MS-Excel 5.0) when Kermit was doing a file-transfer in the > background. > However, after upgrading to Kermit 3.1.4 (and using 2000 character packets), > things got a lot worse. > I cannot work anymore during a file transfer as there will be random GPF's in > Winword and errors similar to "Cannot load ANYDLL.DLL" in Excel. > My Computer is an IBM PS/VP 433DX (33 MHz, 20 MB Ram) running MS-Dos 5.02 and > MS-Windows 3.1. I am running Kermit over a direct link (using a T-box and > broadband communications) to a VAX server. > > Has anyone experienced similar problems? I would greatly appreciate any hints. ------------ Welcome to Windows, a hostile land for any communications process. It's not Kermit itself, but rather some combination of ingredients in your PC. Lovely. We can't diagnose the many ills that involve Windows, of course, but the best that I can suggest is a) review your memory management with a very careful eye to detail, and b) don't expect the stock Windows comm driver to work much above 9600 bits/sec. If you've fallen victim to using Smartdrive then remove it since it turns off cpu recognition of interrupts when it does buffer flushes. Screen savers are another gotcha waiting to strike. Finally, please do take note of Kermit's use of EXPANDED memory for screen rollback buffers. We discuss that in the release documentation. Good luck with the investigation, and you have plenty of company with Windows GPF's from any cause. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 16:08:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 16:08:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05523 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 16:08:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.hklink.net!news.asiaonline.net!usenet From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Sylvia Wong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Lonely Lily - Still Alive! Date: 12 Jun 95 17:48:55 HKT Organization: Asia On-Line Limited, Wanchai, Hong Kong. Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3rhp18$c3c@news.asiaonline.net> Reply-To: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Sylvia Wong) Nntp-Posting-Host: ip113.asiaonline.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Rumors of Lily's demise are greatly exagerated. As I said before, my friend Lily lives in Hong Kong, like me. She loves to receive phone calls from foreign men. She does not have computer, so I am sending this message for her. If you want to call her and you are in the United States the number is 011 852 1747 3094. Callers from other countries need to put the international code then 852 1747 3094. No e-mail please. Sylvia Wong PS. Lily sends her love to all the boys at new@pobox.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 14:51:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:00:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 18:00:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!elna.ethz.ch!usenet From: FUTTERBAU@cumuli.vmsmail.ethz.ch (Frehner Marco) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help! Kermit 3.1.4 makes my Windows 3.1 apps crash! Date: 12 Jun 1995 14:51:17 GMT Organization: ETH ZUERICH Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3rhk95$l5@elna.ethz.ch> Nntp-Posting-Host: cumuli.ethz.ch X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello I've been using Kermit for a while and with version 3.1.3 thing normally worked quite well. Except for occasional crashes of otherwise well-behaved programs (MS-Winword 2.0, MS-Excel 5.0) when Kermit was doing a file-transfer in the background. However, after upgrading to Kermit 3.1.4 (and using 2000 character packets), things got a lot worse. I cannot work anymore during a file transfer as there will be random GPF's in Winword and errors similar to "Cannot load ANYDLL.DLL" in Excel. My Computer is an IBM PS/VP 433DX (33 MHz, 20 MB Ram) running MS-Dos 5.02 and MS-Windows 3.1. I am running Kermit over a direct link (using a T-box and broadband communications) to a VAX server. Has anyone experienced similar problems? I would greatly appreciate any hints. Thanks a lot for your help! Bernt ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bernt Fischer Inst. Plant Sci.; Fed. Inst. Tech. ETH-Zentrum; 8092-Zuerich, Switzerland Tel. ++41/1/632 38 88 Fax. ++41/1/632 11 53 e-mail: futterbau@ipw.agrl.ethz.ch private: bernt@ezinfo.vmsmail.ethz.ch ----------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 13 02:06:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13418 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:40:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02179 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 22:40:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: Re: Looking for a kermit program Date: 12 Jun 1995 22:06:33 -0400 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3rirr9$rrs@panix.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2964 comp.protocols.misc:4708 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Newman Sze wrote: >I am looking for a MS-kermit, Please mail me if you know where >I can obtain a copy. ftp://kermit.columbia.edu -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 15:04:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:33:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14349 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:33:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with kermit and/or modem Message-Id: <1995Jun12.210415.53924@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jun 95 21:04:15 MDT References: <3rikv7$8e7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Distribution: na Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3rikv7$8e7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, mpc+@pitt.edu (Mike Contento) writes: > I gave an old 8086 PC to my nephew who apparently deleted some > system files. He apparently also deleted all kermit-related files that > I had on it before I gave it to him. > > My problem is now that I have put kermit back on the PC I cannot get the > modem to respond at all. I am 99.9% sure the file MSCUSTOM.INI is correct, > but when I try to run kermit I get no response after giving the atz > command (should get an OK). > > I used the kermit command 'sho communication' on both his and my PC and > the only difference I see (other than using different COM ports) is that > his "carrier detect" is off. Would this have anything to do with it? If > so, what command would I use to enable carrier detect? ---------- First, Carrier Detect is a signal from the modem to the PC, not the other way around. Second, the serial hardware isn't what it seems to be or you have chosen ports 3/4 without specifying the proper IRQ for them. This is discussed at length in the documentation accompanying MSK and I recommend you have a look at it as well as at the serial board in the machine. Remember, there can be no conflicts about IRQ or port addresses; else things simply do not work. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 13 12:41:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:16:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09564 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:16:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.ge.com!news.vf.mmc.com!cnn.motown.ge.com!unilab!rfullert From: rfullert%unilab@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Robert Keith Fullerton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: Re: Looking for a kermit program Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 13 Jun 1995 12:41:59 GMT Organization: Martin Marietta, Moorestown NJ Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3rk12n$36f@cnn.MOTOWN.GE.COM> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: unilab.motown.ge.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2966 comp.protocols.misc:4709 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Newman Sze (nsze@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca) wrote: : Hi, : I am looking for a MS-kermit, Please mail me if you know where : I can obtain a copy. : Thanks in advance : Newman : -- : ........................................................................... : -- -- ------ - -- - -- -- -- -- -- : // \ // // \\ //\\ // //\\ //\\ //\\ //\ // If you can get a copy of the book _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ by Cristine M. Gianone it comes with a version of the program for PCs. You can also write to : Kermit Distribution Columbia University Center for Computing Activities 612 Weat 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA for distribution infromation and information about other platforms. I'm sure there is a web site as well but I don't know the UDL. Sorry. _________________________________________________________________________ Keith "If you fall in love with someone with low self esteem, they think you're crazy" rkf _________________________________________________________________________ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 13 16:41:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 16:09:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 16:09:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!hearye.mlb.semi.harris.com!hawk.hcsc.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Date: 13 Jun 1995 16:41:29 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 19 Message-Id: References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> <3qtbvi$a4o@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qtfnp$gca@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3qtt35$gji@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3qv083$6r1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@hawk.hcsc.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 5 Jun 1995 13:18:58 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >The point being that if separate Kermit tools, translation tools, VTxxx >tools, etc, were constructed, they would immediately become orphans. There >is one and only one shared nucleus of common code. We simply can't afford >to maintain lots of code bases. Maybe most of this stuff is common, but I'm not so sure about the common nucleus of VTxxx code. MS kermit seems to have one terminal emulator state machine, OS/2 kermit another, it sounds like MAC has yet another. On the other hand, it would be really nice if there were a common VTxxx module... Is there a "common" emulator that I just can't find in the maze of six character file names out there? :-). -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! (email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, gopher://chaos.dac.neu.edu:1112/00/pvs.txt) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 06:13:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:08:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 19:08:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.netins.net!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit to Kermit Problem Message-Id: <1995Jun12.121332.53898@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jun 95 12:13:32 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , mark@isotro.ca (Mark M.) writes: > I am trying to upload to a BBS (Wildcat S/W V3) using KEAterm V4.1. > The two Kermits do not work, I get an error message: > error: unable to open or write file > I have tried many different settings for kermit - no luck. > Downloading works fine. > Procomm's kermit works fine with the Wildcat BBS S/W. > Zmodem works fine. > I have no problems connecting to Compuserve's kermit or others. > Does anyone have any experience with these products. > > KEAterm supports CKERMIT v5a (188) or Kermit 32 V3.3.117 or better. > Wildcat is not forthcoming in its level of Kermit support. > > The only diff I see is that KEAterm has a max packet size 1013 - procomm works > fine at a packet size of 1024. Can it be that the packet size on the BBS > s/w must > see a size of 1024? > > Your experience and expertise is greatly appreciated. > Please email me direct - I will summarize and repost. ----------------- How curious. The Kermit protocol is designed to be upward compatible, so these version number things and packet length things are peculiar indeed. The two sides negotiate packet lengths, unless the authors did not do the negotiations properly. You are probably prepared for this, so here it is again. The Columbia Kermit Project has a nifty MS-DOS Kermit suitable for use on BBS', it's MS-DOS Kermit Lite. It's within the quick-start kit, binary file msvibm.zip in directory kermit/bin on kermit.columbia.edu. The Kermit implementation found on most BBS' is best described as dreadful, hence our creation of "the real thing" Lite edition. There are some rules to be followed by BBS operators, but they are simple to comply with. The places to take your KEAterm and Wildcat BBS concerns are to those vendors. Before you do, a hint is maybe you have no write access on that BBS. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 20:15:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27441 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:02:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Jun 1995 23:02:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 12 Jun 1995 20:15:51 GMT From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Sylvia Wong) Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3rhp18$c3c@news.asiaonline.net> Control: cancel <3rhp18$c3c@news.asiaonline.net> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 21:44:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 02:14:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23410 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 02:14:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!hermes.louisville.edu!homer.louisville.edu!arwill01 From: arwill01@homer.louisville.edu (Amy R. Willard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: nonfunctional function keys Date: 12 Jun 1995 21:44:16 GMT Organization: University of Louisville, Louisville KY USA Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3ricfg$itr@hermes.louisville.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: homer.louisville.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 11 11:13:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 04:39:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29411 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 04:39:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca!clark From: clark@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca (Jim Clark) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RE: Problem with ASK in adapting script to ethernet. Date: 11 JUN 95 11:13:19 GMT Organization: University of Winnipeg Lines: 15 Message-Id: <11JUN95.11131924@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca> References: <10JUN95.15341792@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi The problem with ASK not functioning properly appears to have been with the version or copy of Kermit that was distributed with the network software. ASK worked fine with an older version of Kermit, so I got the latest version of Kermit from watsun.cc.columbia.edu and everything is fine now. Best Wishes Jim James M. Clark CLARK@UWPG02.BITNET (note ZERO-TWO) Department of Psychology CLARK@UWPG02.UWINNIPEG.CA University of Winnipeg (204) 786-9313 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (204) 786-1824 FAX R3B 2E9 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 13 00:09:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 04:57:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 04:57:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!salliemae!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!mpc From: mpc+@pitt.edu (Mike Contento) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with kermit and/or modem Date: 13 Jun 1995 00:09:11 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 19 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3rikv7$8e7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unixs5.cis.pitt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I gave an old 8086 PC to my nephew who apparently deleted some system files. He apparently also deleted all kermit-related files that I had on it before I gave it to him. My problem is now that I have put kermit back on the PC I cannot get the modem to respond at all. I am 99.9% sure the file MSCUSTOM.INI is correct, but when I try to run kermit I get no response after giving the atz command (should get an OK). I used the kermit command 'sho communication' on both his and my PC and the only difference I see (other than using different COM ports) is that his "carrier detect" is off. Would this have anything to do with it? If so, what command would I use to enable carrier detect? -- mike contento || mpc+@pitt.edu || http://www.pitt.edu/~mpc/mpc.html wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww My mama always told me - internet newsgroups are like a box of choc'lits - you just never know which ones got the nuts in it. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 12 22:05:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21790 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:37:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:36:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How I kermit files over tcp/ip? Message-Id: <1995Jun13.030508.95068@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: tdsmith@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (SMITH TROY D) Date: 13 Jun 95 03:05:08 CDT References: <3r7opo$ng8@hustle.rahul.net> <1995Jun8.180241.53692@cc.usu.edu> <3rakn5$q7i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <1995Jun9.123757.94813@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, : SMITH TROY D wrote: : :I tried it between VMS and OSF/1 and couldn't escape back to OSF/1. The : :only escape sequence that worked was the one that dumped me back to the : :MS-DOS Kermit prompt. : : : Kermit, like telnet, has the notion of an "escape character" followed by : a single character-argument. If you have a series of Kermit and/or telnet ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is what I didn't know. It now works fine. Thanks to all who responded. [snipped essay on escape characters] Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 13 16:09:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:41:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:41:01 -0400 Date: 13 Jun 1995 16:09:36 GMT Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: CFLR63C@prodigy.com (Jo-anne Jones) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: Control: cancel <3rk9jl$11qi@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <3rk9jl$11qi@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Excessive multi-posting (aka spam) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 13 18:08:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 04:38:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12937 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 04:38:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!mojo.eng.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!yorick.umd.edu!rclayton From: rclayton@yorick.umd.edu (Rodney Clayton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: getting kermit os/2 working with kermit at&t Date: 13 Jun 1995 18:08:58 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3rkk7q$ct8@hecate.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: yorick.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a copy of ckermit 5A for os/2 which works fine with ckermit 5A on ultrix. I am tring to get my os/2 ckermit to talk to ckermit 4E at&t running on an rs6000. when I try to rec files from the at&t version the os/2 version doesn't seem to recognize the packets the at&t version is sending. How cam I trouble shoot this problem. Is there a way to use the settings on the ultrix version to get the at&t version working? Thank's Rod KA3BHY From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 14 05:34:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:06:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 06:05:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Kermit as a Line Analyser Message-Id: <1995Jun14.113435.53985@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Jun 95 11:34:35 MDT References: <3rmm98$89r@starlight.datlog.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3rmm98$89r@starlight.datlog.co.uk>, dcoles@datlog.co.uk (Dave Coles) writes: > I occasionally need to monitor traffic on RS-232 lines connecting > computers to terminals, modems, computers and other equipment capable of > providing an RS-232 connection. The frequency is such that buying a > line/protocol analyser is not a justifiable expense. > > I would like to use Kermit on a PC to provide the capability to > display/log the traffic up and down the line. The line characteristics > baud rate, stop/data bits and parity will always be known. Connection > will be via a three plug ribbon cable connecting both endpoints and the COM1: > port on the PC. > > Has anyone tried this? What cabling/Kermit problems will occur when I try > to connect everything together? -------- The problems are electrical in the first instance. RS-232 receivers draw current and paralleling them is not a swift idea. Kermit runs only one serial port at a time, and thus cannot have UARTs snooping on two wires at once. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 15 12:59:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02979 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:59:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:59:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: getting kermit os/2 working with kermit at&t Date: 15 Jun 1995 12:59:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3rpas4$9v5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3rkk7q$ct8@hecate.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3rkk7q$ct8@hecate.umd.edu>, Rodney Clayton wrote: >I have a copy of ckermit 5A for os/2 which works fine with ckermit 5A >on ultrix. I am tring to get my os/2 ckermit to talk to ckermit 4E >at&t running on an rs6000. > Is there any reason why you don't use C-Kermit 5A(190) -- the current version -- on the RS/6000? Also, "ckermit 4E at&t" doesn't sound quite right. The RS/6000 is made by IBM, not AT&T. It sounds to me like you are running not only an ancient, but also totally misconfigured and inappropriate, version of C-Kermit on the RS/6000. >when I try to rec files from the at&t >version the os/2 version doesn't seem to recognize the packets the >at&t version is sending. How cam I trouble shoot this problem. >Is there a way to use the settings on the ultrix version to get the >at&t version working? > Let's install a version of C-Kermit on the RS/6000 that dates from the modern era and that is configured for the appropriate version of AIX: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make rs6aix32c for AIX 3.2, which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Type "help" at the prompt for more info. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 13 10:29:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:54:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:54:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MAC?? Message-Id: <1995Jun13.162929.53960@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Jun 95 16:29:29 MDT References: <3qnon9$asf@steel.interlog.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) writes: >>The point being that if separate Kermit tools, translation tools, VTxxx >>tools, etc, were constructed, they would immediately become orphans. There >>is one and only one shared nucleus of common code. We simply can't afford >>to maintain lots of code bases. > > Maybe most of this stuff is common, but I'm not so sure about the common > nucleus of VTxxx code. MS kermit seems to have one terminal emulator state > machine, OS/2 kermit another, it sounds like MAC has yet another. On the > other hand, it would be really nice if there were a common VTxxx module... > > Is there a "common" emulator that I just can't find in the maze of six > character file names out there? :-). -------------- As convenient as that might seem to you it is not a reasonable request. Terminal emulation is a *lot* more than just a state machine, and those other parts are extremely system dependent. In the case of MS-DOS Kermit one does not get the present features in the present size and speed by converting to generic/API-based C code. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 15 18:25:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:39:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:39:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!brit From: brit@metronet.com (Brit Systems) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: set carrier on, server ## Date: 15 Jun 1995 18:25:07 GMT Organization: BRIT Systems Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3rptu3$nhr@feenix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-Kermit 3.14. I'm running through some scenarios with "set carrier on, server" and what happens when you loose the carrier. Here is what I get. 1) set carrier on, server, break connection, server exits 2) set carrier on, server, start getting file, break connection, file transfer terminates, server waits forever (at least as long as I wanted to wait). 3) set carrier on, server 120, start getting file, break connection, file transfer terminates, server waits until timeout then exits. 4) set carrier on, server 120, start getting very big file, file transfer completes, server exits since it it past timeout. Specifically on scenario 2 and 3, is this just me? And on a related issue. 1) dial someone, set carrier on, start sending file, break connection, file transfer terminates. 2) don't call anyone, set carrier on, start sending file, file transfer eventually times out. It seems that only connect checks if CD before it starts. Send, receive, remote and server don't seem to check CD when they start. Is this right? So if I want to check CD myself, what's the best way. "wait 0 cd" seems to work but it prints and ugly "?Timeout message". \v(carrier) only says what you set carrier to. Is there a \v(cd)? I seem to have seen \CD written but don't know how to use it. Thanks again, for the many times ya'll have helped, Robbie Barton -- BRIT Systems, Medical Imaging 3626 N. Hall Street, Suite 616, Dallas, TX 75219 (214) 528-4446 fax: (214) 528-4916 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 14 12:55:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:53:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Jun 1995 08:53:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!starlight.datlog.co.uk!dns2!dcoles From: dcoles@datlog.co.uk (Dave Coles) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using Kermit as a Line Analyser Date: 14 Jun 1995 12:55:54 GMT Organization: Data Logic Limited (A Raytheon Company). Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3rmm98$89r@starlight.datlog.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: dns2.datlog.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I occasionally need to monitor traffic on RS-232 lines connecting computers to terminals, modems, computers and other equipment capable of providing an RS-232 connection. The frequency is such that buying a line/protocol analyser is not a justifiable expense. I would like to use Kermit on a PC to provide the capability to display/log the traffic up and down the line. The line characteristics baud rate, stop/data bits and parity will always be known. Connection will be via a three plug ribbon cable connecting both endpoints and the COM1: port on the PC. Has anyone tried this? What cabling/Kermit problems will occur when I try to connect everything together? -- Regards, ************************************************************************** * David Coles * EMail: dcoles@datlog.co.uk * * Data Logic Limited, CI Tower, *-------------------------------------* * St George's Square, High Street, * Phone: +44 (0)81 715 9696 Extn 405 * * New Malden, Surrey, KT3 4HH * Fax : +44 (0)81 715 1771 * ************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 16 22:30:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:30:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Jun 1995 18:30:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,aus.kermit Subject: Difficulty obtaining Kermit manuals Date: 16 Jun 1995 22:30:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 71 Message-Id: <3rt0lb$c7r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2979 aus.kermit:42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It seems that some of the phone numbers that were published for Digital Press / Butterworth Heinemann / Reed Elsevier (the publisher of the three English-language Kermit books) were wrong. We have verified with the publisher that the following list is true and accurate and up to date: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada) * +1 416 598-0045 (Toronto, ON office for Canada) * +44 1933 414414 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ) * +65 356-1925 (Singapore office for Asia etc) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) +91 3282580 (New Delhi office for India) +852 5 539289 (Hong Kong) +55 011 492-4496 (Brazil office for South America) The ones marked with * are new or changed. We have attempted to update all our online files and Web pages, etc, to show the right numbers. In the meantime, anybody outside the USA who has had difficulty locating these books is encouraged to try (or have their bookstores try) the new numbers. Readers in Australia and New Zealand: please note that the Chatswood NSW office will be moving soon and the number will change. So now is a good time to call :-) Of course, people in all countries can also order direct from Columbia University. We have all three books in English, and we also have the French edition of "Using MS-DOS Kermit", so French Canadians need not order it all the way from France. See our Web page for further information: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html or send email to kermit@columbia.edu. Meanwhile, there have also been reports that the German editions are hard to find. The first reason for this is that we published the wrong fax number for the publisher, Verlag Heinz Heise in Hannover. The correct fax number is: +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29 (not 53 23-1 29). The voice number (which was published correctly) was, and still is: +49 (05 11) 53 52-0 The rest of the story will be narrated by our excellent friend and German translator, Gisbert W. Selke: The situation is thus: Heise has run out of pre-packaged book+disk combos. There are still books galore lying around, but they want to package MS-Kermit 3.14 with it -- a sensible thing to do, I think, for all the new feechures! In order that people may make use of all the new goodies, they want to put translated versions of the update, beware and help files on disk. This is currently being prepared; so, yes, in a sense, it *is* sold out, but then again, it is *not*. I'd reckon it'll take the new books four weeks to appear in the stores. If that's fast enough for you, fine -- you'll have it right up to date! Otherwise, if you're pressed for time and would be content to receive the updated on-disk manuals at a later time, I imagine they'd be willing to supply you with what they have right away. (end quote) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 15 03:59:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25773 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:42:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 01:42:10 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Ckermit for Unix and VTKeys Message-Id: <1995Jun15.035925.13393@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 03:59:25 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I using Ckermit with Linux, and CKermit is not sending the correct key strings for PF1 and PF2. I looked in the manual it just said make sure that the correct emulation is in effect, and the have the key assignments correct for VT300 emulation in the X-Term session. Of intereset when using "show key" the only the first part of the key string is shown in the case of PF1 only \27 the other part is on the next line with the Ckermit prompt. Is it possible to use VT key emulation in a connect session with Ckermit for Unix (I'm using Linux). Thanks, Helen hkennedy@ncat.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 17 15:55:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17812 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:56:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 11:56:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ckermit for Unix and VTKeys Date: 17 Jun 1995 15:55:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 68 Message-Id: <3rutue$cum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jun15.035925.13393@mercury.ncat.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun15.035925.13393@mercury.ncat.edu>, wrote: >I using Ckermit with Linux, and CKermit is not sending the correct key >strings for PF1 and PF2. I looked in the manual it just said make sure that >the correct emulation is in effect, and the have the key assignments >correct for VT300 emulation in the X-Term session. > >Of intereset when using "show key" the only the first part of the key >string is shown in the case of PF1 only \27 the other part is on the next >line with the Ckermit prompt. > >Is it possible to use VT key emulation in a connect session with Ckermit >for Unix (I'm using Linux). > Time to add this one to the FAQ. C-Kermit comes in basically two varieties: . The version for OS/2 that had direct access to the keyboard and screen, and therefore can see keyboard scan codes and so on, and can do true terminal emulation. Here you have comprehensive key mapping ability. . The versions for UNIX, VMS, and so on, that do not have direct access to the keyboard and screen, and rely on your console driver, terminal window, external terminal emulator (such as MS-DOS Kermit), or actual terminal to perform the terminal functions. UNIX is an interesting case. Traditionally, UNIX was accessed through a terminal that was plugged into a terminal port on a timesharing system. Thus, there *is* no keyboard and screen -- just a communication port. In recent years, this type of access has been largely replaced by terminal servers, but there is still no keyboard and screen. However, now that we have a plethora of PC-based UNIX varieties that run on workstations (PCs) that actually *do* have a keyboard and screen, it would seem to make sense that Kermit should be able to see all the keys. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Most varieties of UNIX do not let the application see the keyboard. There is no kernel function called "get keyboard scan code". There is only read(), and read() reads a character, not a multibyte scan code. Thus, even if your console driver has programmed (say) your F1 key to send (say) ESC O P, Kermit will read three characters in succession, as if they were three keystrokes, not one. It has no way of knowing that you pressed the F1 key. As far Kermit knows, you pressed the Esc key, then the O key, then the P key. Now perhaps Linux *does* have a system call to let an application at the keyboard. But... (a) In what contexts does it work? Only on the raw console? In an xterm window? etc etc. (b) Does it require special privilege to execute? (c) What about all the other versions of UNIX that run on PCs -- FreeBSD, SCO, Solaris/Intel, etc etc? (d) What about all the other versions of UNIX that run on non-PC workstations -- SunOS, Solaris/Sparc, HP-UX, AIX, SGI, etc? So the answer is, for now at least -- and as the documentation states -- C-Kermit's SET KEY command in UNIX (and VMS, AOS/VS, VOS, etc) works only for keys that generate a single 8-bit value, 0..255. Other types of mappings will have to be accomplished outside of Kermit by configuring your console driver, your xterm (e.g. with Xmodmap), and so on. I'll add this to FAQ. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 17 18:41:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 22:14:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Jun 1995 22:14:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!not-for-mail From: Edward Doolittle Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Robust kermit dialing scripts (was Re: kermit 3.13 question) Date: 17 Jun 1995 19:41:46 +0100 Organization: Demon Internet News Service Lines: 94 Sender: news@newnews.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <9506171827.AA13971@brauer.math.toronto.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Posting-Host: brauer.math.toronto.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Expires: References: <3qne5b$iep@recepsen.aa.msen.com> <3qq847$7u4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto Subject: Re: kermit 3.13 question Summary: Keywords: [Apologies for this late response... news posting has been out at our site for several weeks, and it took me some time to find an alternate site from which to post.] > In article <3qne5b$iep@recepsen.aa.msen.com>, > Jeff Schneider wrote: >> 1. how can I invoke kemrit with a batch file so that it will either: >> a. connect directly trough a com port >> b. dial the modem - area code optional, >> prefix optional >> c. connect directly through a network card. In article <3qq847$7u4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > Still, your script program can't be a mind reader. It doesn't know if the > laptop it is running on is in the owner's house, in a hotel, on an airplane, > or plugged in to a network (or if it is, whether the network should be used > instead of the serial port or internal modem). So there will still need > to be some hints from the user. That is, the user will still have to know > something. Like whether s/he is in a hotel room or at home. And what > the dialing prefix is, and whether an area code is needed, etc. The script could try to connect over the network. If failure, it could try the serial port, sending CR or LF or BREAK and waiting for the ogin: sequence. If that doesn't occur, then the script could try the modem. Probably the most reliable way to dial the number is to have the user dial the number on an attached telephone and have the local modem take over once the remote modem answers. That would probably require a modem with both line and phone jacks, but it is a robust method for making the call, permitting the user to deal with any human telephone operators encountered, and with any complicated local instructions for making a call (e.g., "dial 9 then the long distance carrier identifier,", etc.). That the user has to know something beyond the number to which they want to connect is a bug, not in kermit but in the phone systems that we have constructed. If I am on the Interenet and want to connect to a remote site, all I need to know is the IP address of the site. Why should the phone system be any different? For example, if I want to dial a local number, I can't use the 1- long distance prefix. What kind of design decision is that? That means that I must know my current area code as well as the destination area code (and in some cases, even the distance from source to destination!) in order to call anyone. Or I have to use trial and error. That's easy enough for most humans most of the time, but what about machines? A similar example appeared in the Risks Digest (comp.risks) recently. An empty pop machine kept calling an office desk phone number. It turned out that the pop machine had been moved from one area code to another, so that the number that originally belonged to the supplier's computer became the number of a human being in an office. If the area code could have been included in the phone number, that would not have occurred. Problems like these could be solved if we pressured the phone companies enough to do something about them. In a time of increased competition from the Internet and cable companies, I'm sure they'd be delighted with suggestions for improving the utility of their systems. > Yes, the don't > have to be helpless in the face of complicated technology. What is the 90's > word for that... empowerment? Doing it once is empowerment. Doing it 100 times is just slavery once again. Yes, I could talk directly to my modem or figure out the required dialing prefix by consulting all of the provided reference tomes, but once I know what to say to it I want to give the job to a script. Real empowerment is creating a machine to do the job for you. The real problem here is that we assume too much of users, not too little. The hugeness of our assumptions only becomes apparent when we try to replace some of the functions performed by users with functions performed by machines. Complexity in itself is not a virtue. While successfully handling complexity may make us feel good, unsuccessfully handling it, or handling it over and over again, may cause quite the opposite effect, and may in fact lead to unanticipated dangers. Ed From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 15 10:56:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 06:40:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18283 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 06:40:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set carrier on, server ## Message-Id: <1995Jun15.165614.54075@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Jun 95 16:56:14 MDT References: <3rptu3$nhr@feenix.metronet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 95 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3rptu3$nhr@feenix.metronet.com>, brit@metronet.com (Brit Systems) writes: > I am using MS-Kermit 3.14. > > I'm running through some scenarios with > "set carrier on, server" and what happens when you loose the carrier. > > Here is what I get. > > 1) set carrier on, server, break connection, server exits Yup. The way it ought to be. > 2) set carrier on, server, start getting file, break connection, > file transfer terminates, server waits forever > (at least as long as I wanted to wait). Correct. The current session terminated. Server mode was perpetual. > 3) set carrier on, server 120, start getting file, break connection, > file transfer terminates, server waits until timeout then exits. The very last part needs improvment but basically it's ok. > 4) set carrier on, server 120, start getting very big file, > file transfer completes, server exits since it it past timeout. Yes, that's what the 120 says, be a server for that long. > Specifically on scenario 2 and 3, is this just me? > > And on a related issue. > > 1) dial someone, set carrier on, start sending file, break connection, > file transfer terminates. Yup. Correct. > 2) don't call anyone, set carrier on, start sending file, > file transfer eventually times out. Never a carrier then no CD drop state, and hence "no problem." Head scratching goes here. > It seems that only connect checks if CD before it starts. > Send, receive, remote and server don't seem to check CD when they start. > Is this right? They don't. They have no idea of the state of the comms channel so they work so long as bytes can be sent or they run out of retries. See below for more on this part. Again, modems aren't the only way of talking. > So if I want to check CD myself, what's the best way. > "wait 0 cd" seems to work but it prints and ugly "?Timeout message". > > \v(carrier) only says what you set carrier to. > > Is there a \v(cd)? I seem to have seen \CD written but don't know > how to use it. No, there isn't. Maybe there should be, but then modem comms are only one of many comms channels. In addition, testing for CD involves firing up the serial port and we may not want that to happen. > Thanks again, for the many times ya'll have helped, > Robbie Barton ---------- Let me be candid on this topic. From the beginning of MS-DOS Kermit steps were taken to ensure the program would not fail because some modem wire wasn't high or low. That philosophy has carried (sic) forward to the present. Kermit is not dependent on a modem being present and healthy. Near the release time of MSK v3.14 we had a very reasonable request to drop connections when CD vanished, and I added code to accomplish that task. We got there but just barely. For CD dropping to be a failure one must first have CD asserted, which explains your "don't call anyone" case. There's room to quibble here. From your report we see that matters are slightly muddled regarding what to do when CD drops. The principal reason for the muddle is CD is a data link item and ought not penetrate into the higher level software such as protocol stacks etc. There are many other communications pathways which do not involve CD. In addition, the Kermit file transfer stack has automatic retries on failures (from any cause, reasons for failures are normally worthless: failed is failed) and they don't know about the comms link troubles. So retries occur, and server mode is basically a loop with retries (with CD off most of the time, of course), and so on. What can we do about this? Not much right now. I'll have to do the doing in the next release and try to add CD sensitivity where possible without making a hash of the code. It won't be perfect in the sense that CD dropping kills the program in a flash, as happens to programs totally dependent on modems, but it will be better than at present. And we need to explain a little more carefully what terminating a session means versus exiting server mode completely. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 16 05:28:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:13:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 09:13:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!gw2.att.com!ucbeh!fernanrc From: fernanrc@ucbeh.san.uc.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: tek4014 or tek4105 emulation Message-Id: <1995Jun16.102816.7972@ucbeh> Date: 16 Jun 95 10:28:16 EST Keywords: tek4014 or tek4105 Distribution: world Organization: University of Cincinnati Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Forgive me if this is part of an FAQ, but can Kermit emulate Tek4014 or Tek4105? Thanks, Rachel Fernandez (fernanrc@uc.edu) From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 16 04:49:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:49:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 10:49:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!enterprise!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: tek4014 or tek4105 emulation Message-Id: <1995Jun16.104934.54110@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Jun 95 10:49:33 MDT References: <1995Jun16.102816.7972@ucbeh> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun16.102816.7972@ucbeh>, fernanrc@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes: > Forgive me if this is part of an FAQ, but can Kermit emulate Tek4014 or Tek4105? > > Thanks, > Rachel Fernandez > (fernanrc@uc.edu) --------- 4014 yes, 41xx and 42xx no. The 41xx and above are fancy graphics workstations with more memory and specialized hardware than PCs, so emulation is not realistic in MS-DOS Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 18 17:42:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 14:00:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 14:00:57 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!emory!metro.atlanta.com!news.sprintlink.net!nntp.sunbelt.net!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Re: Ckermit for Unix and VTKeys Message-Id: <1995Jun18.174208.8863@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University References: <1995Jun15.035925.13393@mercury.ncat.edu> <3rutue$cum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 17:42:08 GMT Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >So the answer is, for now at least -- and as the documentation states -- >C-Kermit's SET KEY command in UNIX (and VMS, AOS/VS, VOS, etc) works only >for keys that generate a single 8-bit value, 0..255. Other types of >mappings will have to be accomplished outside of Kermit by configuring >your console driver, your xterm (e.g. with Xmodmap), and so on. > >I'll add this to FAQ. > >- Frank Thanks for the information. I configured the Xmodmap for xterm and Ckermit would read each key as a single key. However, that was for F1. I will try with another key and see what happens. Thanks, Has anyone done this before and if so could you post or e-mail examples please. Thanks, Helen hkennedy@ncat.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 18 21:13:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17907 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 18:25:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Jun 1995 18:25:24 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uucp3.netcom.com!torii!ibm.mtsac.edu!1CMC3466 From: 1cmc3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) Subject: connection hangup when called from another program X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ibm.mtsac.edu Message-Id: <173C1C7F5.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Sender: usenet@triple-i.com Organization: Mt. San Antonio College X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 21:13:09 GMT Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Calling C-Kermit (190) from another comm program in order to download always triggers kermit to execute a hangup, thereby not being able to d/l and losing the connection. Is there a way to keep kermit from doing that? From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 19 13:03:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:03:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 09:03:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: connection hangup when called from another program Date: 19 Jun 1995 13:03:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3s3sif$jtd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <173C1C7F5.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <173C1C7F5.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu>, Curtiss Cicco <1cmc3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> wrote: : Calling C-Kermit (190) from another comm program in order : to download always triggers kermit to execute a hangup, thereby : not being able to d/l and losing the connection. Is there a way to : keep kermit from doing that? : Are you talking about the UNIX version? If so, please read section 11.1 of the ckuker.bwr file, "C-Kermit as an External Protocol". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 19 14:34:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26698 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:45:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:45:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!aaladm26.lib.unc.edu!user From: romani@email.unc.edu (David Romani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cursor Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:34:24 -0400 Organization: Academic Affairs Library Lines: 16 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: aaladm26.lib.unc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Folks, Does any one know of any way to turn the terminal cursor blink off, or even just off (as opposed to set terminal cursor block or underline). It is a setup feature on VT420 terminals and I have a user who is _very_ interested in doing it in MS-Kermit 3.14. So far the I have found DOS level utils that let me control the cursor in DOS and will supress the cursor at the MS-Kermit prompt, but not once I connect. TIA -- David Romani Manager of Desktop Systems Library Systems CB 3900, Davis Library University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, NC 27514-8890 david_romani@unc.edu 919.962.1288 (Voice) / 919.962.0484 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 19 16:06:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:52:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:52:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!balsam!mikeh From: honeycutt@unca.edu (Mike Honeycutt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ordering Books - Editions / versions covered Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 16:06:59 GMT Organization: UNC Asheville University Computing Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3s47co$ud@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mikeh.cc.unca.edu X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm about to place an order for Using MS-DOS Kermit and Using C-Kermit and wanted to make sure the books cover MS Kermit 3.14 and C-Kermit 5A. I would also appreciate knowing about any discount book sellers that carry the books. Finally, I already own the second edition of Using MS-DOS Kermit (1991). Is this the latest edition? Thanks Mike Honeycutt UNC Asheville University Computing honeycutt@unca.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 19 04:05:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:29:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20693 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:29:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: cursor Message-Id: <1995Jun19.100536.54278@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Jun 95 10:05:36 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , romani@email.unc.edu (David Romani) writes: > Folks, > > Does any one know of any way to turn the terminal cursor blink off, or > even just off (as opposed to set terminal cursor block or underline). It > is a setup feature on VT420 terminals and I have a user who is _very_ > interested in doing it in MS-Kermit 3.14. So far the I have found DOS > level utils that let me control the cursor in DOS and will supress the > cursor at the MS-Kermit prompt, but not once I connect. ---------- The IBM PC display adapter hardware controls cursor blinking, and there are no blinking controls available in the hardware. The DOS utils to which you refer are trying to play games with character sets and hooking the timer tick interrupt to include and then make invisible the cursor and so on; they can't control the real cursor blinking because there isn't any control. Sorry to report this, but the question comes up every few months and there isn't a satisfactory solution. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 01:17:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:23:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21283 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:23:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.swt.edu!newsmaster From: mb21@academia.swt.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help! Kermit locks up with a direct connection via novell network Date: 20 Jun 1995 01:17:43 GMT Organization: Southwest Texas State University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3s57jn$8q0@central.server.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: port3.modem1.cc.swt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc@columbia.edu Can anyone help me solve a problem? I am using Kermit over my network to connect to our VMS system. I load all of my network drivers and then odipkt and winpkt and it intermitently locks up without warning. This problem doesn't happen. Thanks, Michael... From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 01:17:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:23:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:23:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.swt.edu!newsmaster From: mb21@academia.swt.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help! Kermit locks up with a direct connection via novell network Date: 20 Jun 1995 01:17:59 GMT Organization: Southwest Texas State University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3s57k7$8q0@central.server.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: port3.modem1.cc.swt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone help me solve a problem? I am using Kermit over my network to connect to our VMS system. I load all of my network drivers and then odipkt and winpkt and it intermitently locks up without warning. This problem doesn't happen. Thanks, Michael... From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 05:07:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16199 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 01:37:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 01:37:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!canaima.ME.Berkeley.EDU!herrera From: herrera@canaima.ME.Berkeley.EDU (Ramon F Herrera) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Looking for a good dialer (kermit script) Date: 20 Jun 1995 05:07:46 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3s5l32$dj4@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: canaima.me.berkeley.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2994 comp.dcom.modems:98532 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can somebody send me -or point me in the right direction- a good, solid, kermit script that performs dialing into an Internet Service Provider? Thanks, -Ramon Herrera From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 06:19:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 03:31:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 03:31:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uucp3.netcom.com!torii!ibm.mtsac.edu!1CMC3466 From: 1cmc3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) Subject: Re: connection hangup when called from another program X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ibm.mtsac.edu Message-Id: <173C2147EF.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Sender: usenet@triple-i.com Organization: Mt. San Antonio College X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 References: <173C1C7F5.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> <3s3sif$jtd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 06:19:07 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Oops, yeah forgot to mention I compiled it on my own for the Linux version. Thanks for the pointer, that's what I was looking for. In article <3s3sif$jtd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >In article <173C1C7F5.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu>, >Curtiss Cicco <1cmc3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> wrote: >: Calling C-Kermit (190) from another comm program in order >: to download always triggers kermit to execute a hangup, thereby >: not being able to d/l and losing the connection. Is there a way to >: keep kermit from doing that? >: >Are you talking about the UNIX version? If so, please read section >11.1 of the ckuker.bwr file, "C-Kermit as an External Protocol". > >- Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 18 18:08:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 05:05:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11687 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 05:05:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!george.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: free-agent-spam@spam.com (Spammer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Free Agent Spam Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 18:08:12 GMT Organization: Spam Inc. Lines: 3 Message-Id: <3s1bkq$n5b@dub-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> Reply-To: Spam@free-agent.spam.com Nntp-Posting-Host: dd14-031.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.56 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Free Agent, Spam Ware Without Compare From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 09:05:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23176 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 05:19:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 05:19:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!brtph500.bnr.ca!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 20 Jun 1995 09:05:26 GMT From: free-agent-spam@spam.com (Spammer) Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3s1bkq$n5b@dub-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> Control: cancel <3s1bkq$n5b@dub-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 12:34:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:34:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07165 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:34:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Looking for a good dialer (kermit script) Date: 20 Jun 1995 12:34:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University, New York City Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3s6f85$6vq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3s5l32$dj4@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2997 comp.dcom.modems:98551 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3s5l32$dj4@agate.berkeley.edu>, Ramon F Herrera wrote: >Can somebody send me -or point me in the right direction- a good, >solid, kermit script that performs dialing into an Internet Service >Provider? > There are many different Kermit programs on many different platforms. Which one are you talking about? What kind of modem are you dialing? And you also want it to log you in automatically? Your best bet is to look through the documentation. These are very basic functions of Kermit software, and are covered in the manuals. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 01:52:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:16:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:16:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Kermit locks up with a direct connection via novell network Message-Id: <1995Jun20.075225.54353@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Jun 95 07:52:25 MDT References: <3s57k7$8q0@central.server.swt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3s57k7$8q0@central.server.swt.edu>, mb21@academia.swt.edu writes: > Can anyone help me solve a problem? I am using Kermit over my network to > connect to our VMS system. I load all of my network drivers and then > odipkt and winpkt and it intermitently locks up without warning. This > problem doesn't happen. ---------- Trying to recover your message from the above... Most likely your machine has serious configuration problems, with memory above 640KB (UMB) being the most commonly affected place. I suggest you have another person assist you going over the machine in detail looking for suspicious things which you may have overlooked. Don't forget about the lan adapter shared memory and IRQ being vulnerable to clobbering. That's as much helpful advice we can give based on the information provided. Good luck with the search. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 14:44:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16636 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:30:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:30:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!agate!canaima.ME.Berkeley.EDU!herrera From: herrera@canaima.ME.Berkeley.EDU (Ramon F Herrera) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Looking for a good dialer (kermit script) Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Date: 20 Jun 1995 14:44:33 GMT Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3s6msh$rng@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <3s5l32$dj4@agate.berkeley.edu> <3s6f85$6vq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: canaima.me.berkeley.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2999 comp.dcom.modems:98575 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3s5l32$dj4@agate.berkeley.edu>, : Ramon F Herrera wrote: : >Can somebody send me -or point me in the right direction- a good, : >solid, kermit script that performs dialing into an Internet Service : >Provider? : > : There are many different Kermit programs on many different platforms. : Which one are you talking about? What kind of modem are you dialing? : And you also want it to log you in automatically? I am using C-Kermit on an IBM RS/6000 running AIX 3.2.4 The modem is a Motorola FasTalk (14.4, Hayes compatible) but it will probably be changed by Telebit TeleBlazer V.34. The answering node is a cisco router that supports SLIP and assigns IP addresses dynamically, and it would be nice if I can get a script that will log me in automatically and grab the assigned IP address. Best regards, -Ramon Herrera From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 10:05:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:08:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:08:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca!clark From: clark@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca (Jim Clark) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Push returns to DOS prompt rather than WPerfect Shell Date: 20 JUN 95 10:05:37 GMT Organization: University of Winnipeg Lines: 17 Message-Id: <20JUN95.10053797@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi I am using Kermit to access a Dec alpha over a Novell network. Kermit and the script are run from the WPerfect Office shell. When I use Push to temporarily exit Kermit, I end up at the Dos prompt, rather than at the Office menu. I want the shell menu, of course, to access other programs. Is there something special at the Kermit end to return to the shell instead of Dos? Best Wishes Jim James M. Clark CLARK@UWPG02.BITNET (note ZERO-TWO) Department of Psychology CLARK@UWPG02.UWINNIPEG.CA University of Winnipeg (204) 786-9313 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada (204) 786-1824 FAX R3B 2E9 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 19:04:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:04:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:04:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Looking for a good dialer (kermit script) Date: 20 Jun 1995 19:04:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3s763i$9om@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3s5l32$dj4@agate.berkeley.edu> <3s6f85$6vq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3s6msh$rng@agate.berkeley.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3001 comp.dcom.modems:98593 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3s6msh$rng@agate.berkeley.edu>, Ramon F Herrera wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : In article <3s5l32$dj4@agate.berkeley.edu>, : : Ramon F Herrera wrote: : : >Can somebody send me -or point me in the right direction- a good, : : >solid, kermit script that performs dialing into an Internet Service : : >Provider? : : > : : There are many different Kermit programs on many different platforms. : : Which one are you talking about? What kind of modem are you dialing? : : And you also want it to log you in automatically? : : I am using C-Kermit on an IBM RS/6000 running AIX 3.2.4 : The modem is a Motorola FasTalk (14.4, Hayes compatible) but : it will probably be changed by Telebit TeleBlazer V.34. : The answering node is a cisco router that supports SLIP and : assigns IP addresses dynamically, and it would be nice if I : can get a script that will log me in automatically and grab : the assigned IP address. : Let's go into greater detail offline. But for mass consumption: there is no standard for the messages that come from terminal servers when you make SLIP or PPP connections to them, so there is no single Kermit script that can be used in all situations. You have to figure out how to capture the IP address from the terminal server's message, using the techniques described in the manual (OUTPUT, INPUT, string functions, etc). Presumably all you want to do at this point is hand the connection off to your system's SLIP driver and then use your regular TCP/IP programs (including Kermit, of course, but this time with its TELNET command, rather than SET LINE) over the SLIP connection. I'm not sure what the procedure for this "handing off" would be in AIX, but in general it's a bit tricky in UNIX getting two processes to share the same tty device. In any case, another hint is to see if you can get your network administrators to install BOOTP service in the terminal server. In that case you don't need to parse the IP address from the terminal server's message and then install it on your system -- you just make the SLIP connection and then tell you system to issue a BOOTP request for its IP address and related parameters. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 19:57:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28259 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:45:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:45:00 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!news3.near.net!news.conknet.com!not-for-mail From: STB@mctel.com (Steve Bond) Subject: C-KERMIT FOR OS/2 - Terminal Emulation - vt220 - 132ch Message-Id: <6147cb$e398.f4@news.conknet.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:57:07 GMT Organization: MCT Telecom Inc. X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using C-kermit for terminal emulation of vt220 on OS/2 2.1 w/warp. It works great connecting to a VAX with a network of decnet( running as a window). My question is this. When I run an application that changes the screen width from 80ch to 132ch the font size doesn't change. I have to manually change the font size as the application changes the screen width from 80 to 132 and back. Is that the way it should work? Is there a way to automatically change the font size. Any help is appreciated. Regards, Steve Bond MCT Telecom Inc. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 19:22:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:26:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17051 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:26:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: Greg Bernard Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KEA keyboards Date: 20 Jun 1995 19:22:22 GMT Organization: Data Broadcasting Corporation Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3s775e$a1q@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anybody have, or has anybody worked on a keyboard initialization file for the KEA keyboards? We use the PowerStation keyboards here at work to do terminal emulation to our VAX, and they work really well, so I wanted to map the keys in the Kermit emulator. (The KEA keyboards come with a driver to work under MS/Windows.) However, I have not been able to figure out all the key codes, especiall the PF1-PF4/F17-F20 keys. TIA. Greg Bernard Data Broadcasting Corporation 1900 South Norfolk Street San Mateo CA 94403 gbernard@dbc.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 21:58:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:58:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:58:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-KERMIT FOR OS/2 - Terminal Emulation - vt220 - 132ch Date: 20 Jun 1995 21:58:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3s7g9q$neh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6147cb$e398.f4@news.conknet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <6147cb$e398.f4@news.conknet.com>, Steve Bond wrote: >I am using C-kermit for terminal emulation of vt220 on OS/2 2.1 w/warp. It works great connecting to a VAX >with a network of decnet( running as a window). My question is this. When I run an application that changes >the screen width from 80ch to 132ch the font size doesn't change. I have to manually change the font size as >the application changes the screen width from 80 to 132 and back. Is that the way it should work? Is there a >way to automatically change the font size. > sorry, but yes this is how it works. OS/2 does not provide to VIO applications any method for controlling the font size. Remember, a VIO application does not know that it is running in a window. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 05:53:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:17:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25490 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:17:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Push returns to DOS prompt rather than WPerfect Shell Message-Id: <1995Jun20.115335.54372@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Jun 95 11:53:35 MDT References: <20JUN95.10053797@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <20JUN95.10053797@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca>, clark@uwpg02.uwinnipeg.ca (Jim Clark) writes: > Hi > > I am using Kermit to access a Dec alpha over a Novell network. Kermit and > the script are run from the WPerfect Office shell. When I use Push to > temporarily exit Kermit, I end up at the Dos prompt, rather than at the Office > menu. I want the shell menu, of course, to access other programs. Is there > something special at the Kermit end to return to the shell instead of Dos? ------- You don't want to think about WP Shell. It's a total task switcher and that's fatal for comms programs. I believe we say this in the release docs. When "shelled to DOS" from within Kermit MSK uses the program given by the Environment COMSPEC= variable. Normally that's c:\command.com. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 11:39:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:26:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:26:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KEA keyboards Message-Id: <1995Jun20.173956.54405@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Jun 95 17:39:56 MDT References: <3s775e$a1q@ccnet.ccnet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3s775e$a1q@ccnet.ccnet.com>, Greg Bernard writes: > Does anybody have, or has anybody worked on a keyboard initialization file for the KEA > keyboards? We use the PowerStation keyboards here at work to do terminal emulation to our VAX, > and they work really well, so I wanted to map the keys in the Kermit emulator. (The > KEA keyboards come with a driver to work under MS/Windows.) However, I have not been able to > figure out all the key codes, especiall the PF1-PF4/F17-F20 keys. ---------------- I haven't used such a keyboard but the key definition process should be straight forward and quick. Use Kermit command SET KEY and press ENTER at that point. The command then prompts for the key to be define (asks you to press it). The key code is shown together with any current definition. The second prompt is for a new definition, if any, and you would then type \KdecF18 or whatever. Make a note of the key code and your definition. To automate this first do the by-hand approach above. Then edit a convenient Kermit TAKE file and write the definitions each on one line, such as set key \4425 \kdecPrev ; Enhanced kbd grey Page Up set key \4433 \kdecNext ; Enhanced kbd grey Page Down set key \4434 \kdecInsert ; Enhanced kbd grey Insert set key \4435 \kdecRemove ; Enhanced kbd grey Delete To see which keyboard verb definitions are available either read the manual or/and press the "?" key in response to the definition prompt. To undefine a key enter an empty definition: set key \4425 The key then represents itself (um, sends ASCII if it generates an ASCII character, else sends nothing and beeps at you when touched). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 20 16:53:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:50:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:50:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.thepoint.net!news.thepoint.net!not-for-mail From: alan@dg.thepoint.net (Alan B. Canon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for Winsock-compliant Kermit: Does it exist? Date: 20 Jun 1995 12:53:02 -0400 Organization: ThePoint - Kentuckiana's Internet Connection Lines: 3 Message-Id: <3s6ude$87u@dg.thepoint.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: dg.thepoint.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need a kermit program for windows 3.1x that runs through Winsock. Does such an animal exist? From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 21 14:34:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:35:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:35:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for Winsock-compliant Kermit: Does it exist? Date: 21 Jun 1995 14:34:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3s9amb$7e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3s6ude$87u@dg.thepoint.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3s6ude$87u@dg.thepoint.net>, Alan B. Canon wrote: >I need a kermit program for windows 3.1x that runs through Winsock. Does >such an animal exist? > No. Maybe there will be one, but there isn't one yet. In the meantime, you might try one of the tricks listed in our FAQ for multiplexing TCP/IP stacks. They are not recommended, but one of them might work for you. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 21 14:52:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:58:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:58:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: Greg Bernard Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT LISTSERV Date: 21 Jun 1995 14:52:12 GMT Organization: Data Broadcasting Corporation Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3s9bms$ofv@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know of a LISTSERV for this group? If so, what is it? I have to go to a different computer to read this newsgroup and if I found a LISTSERV then I could (theoretically) subscribe to it via our VAX, which would make my life much, much simpler. TIA. Greg Bernard Data Broadcasting Corporation 1900 South Norfolk Street San Mateo, CA 94403 gbernard@dbc.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 21 17:01:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:57:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:57:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!NewsWatcher!user From: mike@mdg.com (Michael Ginsberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit RFC? Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:01:35 -0500 Organization: MDG Computer Services, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 204.137.245.81 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for a Kermit RFC, or something that will fully document the Kermit File Transfer, so that I can build one from scratch. Is there a Kermit FAQ or something that will point me in the right direction. I am not looking for C Source code, but rather a document explaining the Kermit Protocol. Thanks in advance. If you are posting a response, please respond via email as well. Michael Ginsberg MDG Computer Services, Inc mike@mdg.com =============================================================== Michael Ginsberg Internet: mike@mdg.com MDG Computer Services, Inc. Web: http://www.mdg.com =============================================================== From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 21 20:49:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 16:49:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01063 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 16:49:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT LISTSERV Date: 21 Jun 1995 20:49:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3sa0ku$112@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3s9bms$ofv@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3s9bms$ofv@ccnet.ccnet.com>, Greg Bernard wrote: >Does anyone know of a LISTSERV for this group? If so, what is it? I have to >go to a different computer to read this newsgroup and if I found a LISTSERV >then I could (theoretically) subscribe to it via our VAX, which would make my >life much, much simpler. > Simpler for you, maybe. Did you ever try to run a huge LISTSERV list? :-) We run a LISTSERV for announcements only -- I$KERMIT@CUVMA. Whenever an announcement goes out, we get back approximately 100MB of error, warning, and information messages. Obviously, one wants low traffic on such a list. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 22 08:33:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28535 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 05:14:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 05:14:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nexus.coast.net!news.sprintlink.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit RFC? Date: 22 Jun 1995 08:33:34 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 14 Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: mike@mdg.com's message of Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:01:35 -0500 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article mike@mdg.com (Michael Ginsberg) writes: >I am looking for a Kermit RFC, or something that will fully document >the Kermit File Transfer Get the kermit protcol manual. In terse form from the kermit FTP site or in a fleshed-out from any good bookstore (under the name "Kermit a file transfer protocol"). See FAQ for ISBN. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 22 01:57:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:28:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:28:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit with tcp/ip Message-Id: <1995Jun22.075758.54480@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Jun 95 07:57:57 MDT References: <3s97mm$p0i@socrate> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3s97mm$p0i@socrate>, jean cote writes: > Hi, > > I am trying to use Tcp/Ip with Kermit ... > > It is working fine but ... when i try to use a name server i get tis message > > Icmp port unreachable > > Resolving address of host sld01 ... > Trying name sld01 > Icmp: Port unreachable > cannot reach name server 205.151.189.3 > cannot resolve address of host sld01 > ? cannot start the connection. > > Is there someone who can help me ? ------------ Yes, the person at your site who maintains the nameserver. The above message says what it means, that the remote machine (the nameserver) does not support name service on well known UDP port 53, or an intermediate machine is rejecting the traffic. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 22 14:39:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:39:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00321 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:39:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!interaccess!d42.net.interaccess.com!dmg From: dmg@interaccess.com (Brian K. Willard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Wyse 50 function keys Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:54:58 Organization: InterAccess,Chicagoland's Full Service Internet Provider Lines: 23 Distribution: NA Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: d42.net.interaccess.com Keywords: Wyse50 function keys X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using kermit 3.14 for dos, connected to an rs6000. When using a vt320 emulation and the wpunix.ini I can use my function keys in WP for AIX. When I switch to Wyse50 emulation none of my function keys work. I need this because our office supports many hardware platforms, and we have clients on ADDS machines that need to use Wyse50. Any help is greatly appreciated. Brian K. Willard dmg@dmgil.com Integrations Support Analyst D.M.G. Brian K. Willard Integration Support Analyst Data Management Group Phone: 708-953-0037 Fax: 708-953-1697 E-mail: dmg@dmgil.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 22 05:41:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:49:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05817 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:49:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wyse 50 function keys Message-Id: <1995Jun22.114156.54488@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Jun 95 11:41:56 MDT References: Distribution: na Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , dmg@interaccess.com (Brian K. Willard) writes: > I am using kermit 3.14 for dos, connected to an rs6000. When using a vt320 > emulation and the wpunix.ini I can use my function keys in WP for AIX. When I > switch to Wyse50 emulation none of my function keys work. I need this because > our office supports many hardware platforms, and we have clients on ADDS > machines that need to use Wyse50. ------------ They are present, but not preassigned to keys. Use SET KEY and the Wyse 50 function keys are keyboard verbs \KwyseF1..\KwyseF16 plus \KwyseSF1..\KwyseSF16 (shifted Wyse function keys). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 23 00:58:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:50:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 23:50:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!usenet From: hendri1@ibm.net (Stan Hendrix) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Scrambled Characters in Telnet Session Date: 23 Jun 1995 00:58:10 GMT Lines: 3 Message-Id: <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: hendri1@ibm.net (Stan Hendrix) Nntp-Posting-Host: slip5-92.fl.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I get scrambled characters after hitting return key whenever I telnet to coin.missouri.edu. I have tried several different terminal types - vt100, vt220, ansi - as well as various NEWLINE-MODE settings. Nothing works. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 21 13:43:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:00:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:00:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!mcrcim.mcgill.edu!news.mcgill.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.net!socrate.riq.qc.ca!news From: jean cote Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit with tcp/ip Date: 21 Jun 1995 13:43:50 GMT Organization: Reseau Internet Quebec Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3s97mm$p0i@socrate> Nntp-Posting-Host: riq1087.riq.qc.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am trying to use Tcp/Ip with Kermit ... It is working fine but ... when i try to use a name server i get tis message Icmp port unreachable Resolving address of host sld01 ... Trying name sld01 Icmp: Port unreachable cannot reach name server 205.151.189.3 cannot resolve address of host sld01 ? cannot start the connection. Is there someone who can help me ? Jean Cote La Solidarite jeancote@riq.qc.ca From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 22 15:23:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:18:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 01:18:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news4.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scrambled Characters in Telnet Session Message-Id: <1995Jun22.212304.54526@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Jun 95 21:23:04 MDT References: <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, hendri1@ibm.net (Stan Hendrix) writes: > I get scrambled characters after hitting return key whenever I telnet to coin.missouri.edu. > I have tried several different terminal types - vt100, vt220, ansi - as well as > various NEWLINE-MODE settings. Nothing works. --------- Haven't the vaguest. Coin.missouri.edu isn't in a nameserver that I tried. Perhaps you can describe: a) What Kermit and version number b) What terminal type the host is using c) What those scrambled characters look like (because I can't reproduce a connection from my place) d) Whether you said SET DISPLAY 8-BIT or similar e) Whether coin is an ASCII or EBCDIC machine (and what kind of machine would be useful to know as well) Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 23 14:55:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:55:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21302 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:55:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Reissued Date: 23 Jun 1995 14:55:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Message-Id: <3sekke$kp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is to announce a minor reissue of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows. The three EXE files (full, medium, "Lite") are identical to the original January 18th version, except that a problem with TCP/IP Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) is fixed (this fix could not be accomplished as a patch) and the internal date (visible from the VERSION command) is changed to May 21. There is a new ZIP-format image of the distribution diskette. It contains the three new executables, updated patch files, and minor updates to some of the documentation files (HLP, BWR, UPD). The new patch files contain the following patches: 1. Optional Orchid Designer Professional VGA board video-mode patch. Allows patching in the appropriate video mode, since different models use different modes, but identify themselves the same way to Kermit. 2. Fix for file names given on the command line in the -F option (alternate initialization file) not always being parsed correctly. 3. VT220/320 terminal emulator patch for correctly recognizing OSC and PM sequences. Without this patch, such sequences (which are rarely used) could cause Kermit to hang until reset. 4. Patch to prevent MS-DOS Kermit from improperly encoding its response to the A packet. The most notable symptom was failure to properly receive RESENDs. 5. Patch to the READ command to prevent it from improperly treating "-" at the end of a line as a continuation character. 6. Patch for TES networking: preserve TES LAT ID around restarts. 7. Optional patch for Hebrew-model VT100 terminal emulation. 8. Patch to make the MAIL command once again work properly when sending multiple files. Without this patch, the MAIL command only works for one file; e.g. "mail foo.*" would send all foo.* files, but only the first one would be mailed; the rest would disappear. Also included are some new dialing scripts (e.g. BESTDATA.SCR) and improvements to preexisting dialing scripts. Note in particular that PP14400.SCR has had its name changed to PPI.SCR to reflect the fact that it now adapts itself automatically to the full PPI (Practical Peripherals Inc) line, from V.22bis to V.34 models. Finally, an additional font utility is included in the PCFONTS directory, called WITHFONT.COM. This utility (which, like the rest of the material in the PCFONTS directory, is from Yossi Gil at the Technion in Haifa, Israel) loads a font (such as Cyrillic, Hebrew, or Latin-2) and then reloads it automatically whenever the video mode changes, e.g. between 80 and 132 columns. Without WITHFONT, the font would revert to CP437 whenever the video mode changed. The space needed for the new material was obtained by removing six .TBL files for character sets that are already listed in the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit". The version 3.14 reissue is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/msdos, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If no serious problems are reported within a week or so, we'll make this the standard distributed version. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 23 17:47:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:47:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 13:47:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 23 Jun 1995 17:47:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 140 Message-Id: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99072 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3020 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. I'm the principle author of C-Kermit communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, etc etc. In preparation for a future release, I'm spiffing up the modem and dialing features, with the following goals: . Better and more natural support for modern high-speed modems. . Explicit support for most of the popular makes and models. . Easy and consistent control over specific modem features such as flow control, error-correction, and compression. . Consolidation of multiple modem models into one whenever possible. . Easy addition of new modem types by the user. C-Kermit runs on a wide variety of hardware and operating system platforms in countries all over the world, and so cannot follow the simplicistic "send me your coolest init string" model of modem support. In particular: . We can't assume that the computer can do hardware flow control. . We can't assume any particular value for the computer's maximum interface speed. . We can't assume that any particular dialing method (e.g. Tone) is available. . We can't assume the Hayes AT command and response interface (for example, did you know that there there is an international standard for modem commands and responses, ITU-T (CCITT) V.25bis, that bears no resemblence whatsoever to the Hayes scheme? -- Those of you who think this standard is not used should visit Brazil some time :-) . We can't assume that we have access to modem signals, either to read them or to manipulate them explicitly, e.g. dropping DTR to hang up. . Our modem handling can't be based on the facilities of a particular operating system, like UNIX versions that have an "acucap", or DLLs that might come with OS/2 or Windows, etc. Any information I can gather about as many modem models as possible that would allow support for them to be added to C-Kermit would be much appreciated. If you can furnish this information, please drop me a note by email. Items of particular interest include: . Hayes command set or other? . What is the maximum interface speed at which its command processor autobauds? What is its absolute maximum interface speed (on some modems, e.g. certain Telebit models, these two numbers are different). If a special command (e.g. S-register setting) must be issued to change the speed, what is it? . How do we tell the modem to start off with its highest modulation method (e.g. V.34) and then negotiate down from there? Is there a way to do this that is portable among different models (e.g. N1 S37=0 for different PPI models)? . How do we tell the modem to pass through Break signals transparently? . Can it do speed buffering? If so, what are the commands to enable and disable speed buffering? . Can it do hardware flow control (RTS/CTS)? If so, what is the command to enable it? . Can it do *local* software flow control (Xon/Xoff)? If so, what is the command to enable it? . What, if any, is the command to disable local flow control? . Can it do error correction? If so, what are the commands to enable and disable it? The command to enable would be the one that starts out with the highest form (e.g. V.42) and negotiates down (e.g. to various MNP levels). The command to disable would disable all forms. . If it is an RPI model of a modem that also comes in a non-RPI model, what happens when the command to enable error-correction is given directly to the modem? (The ones I know about so far say "ERROR" -- is this true for all of them?) . Can it do compression? If so, what are the commands to enable and disable it? The command to enable would be the one that starts out with the highest form (e.g. V.42bis) and negotiates down (e.g. to MNP5). The command to disable would disable all forms. . What is the command to set the dialing method to Pulse? To Tone? Can this command be issued as an independent command, or only as part of the dialing command? (The answer to this one is well-known for Hayes-like modems, but no so obvious with others, e.g. Microcoms or Vadics in native mode.) . What is the method of escaping back to the modem's command processor? Is a guard time required? If so, how much? Is there a way to make the modem transparent to all data patterns and still permit escaping back (e.g. with Long Break but not regular Break) and if so, what is it? . For differentiating among various models from the same manufacturer, what is the method for determining what model we have (e.g. ATI, ATI3, ATI6, etc), and what are the responses for each model? In general, when a modem offers more than one command to do the same thing, the preferred command would be the one that is most portable across all models from the same manufacturer. One puzzler, for me at least, is the array of recent Hayes modems. I have access to an Ultra 144, but not to an Accura or an Optima, nor to other Ultra models (2400, 9600). Are all of these Hayes models compatible in every way except for maximum interface and modulation speeds? That is, can I use the same commands to control all the features listed above in each of the Hayes models? In particular: . Do they all autobaud at interface speeds up to 57600? (What is the maximum interface speed for each model, including Ultra 2400 and 9600?) . Will setting "N1 S37=0" ensure that each model starts off at its highest modulation technique and negotiate down? Is this the recommended way to do this? . Is S82=128 (BREAK transparency) available on all high-speed models? . Do all models support RTS/CTS via &K3? (So then what is &K1?) . Do all models support local Xon/Xoff via &K4? (What is &K2?) . How should &Rn be set if we are using RTS/CTS? Or is it ignored? Anybody who would like to help out with this by providing information, manual or command-summary copies, sample modems, whatever, or who would like to Alpha-test the resulting software, please contact me directly by e-mail. Thanks! Frank da Cruz Manager Communication Software Development Columbia University, New York City e-mail: fdc@columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 23 18:43:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:54:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Jun 1995 21:54:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!boulder!ucsu!not-for-mail From: morozovv@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MOROZOV VALENTIN VALENTINOVITCH) Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Subject: Need kermit and pkunzip/zip for IBM RS6000 Date: 23 Jun 1995 12:43:28 -0600 Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3sf20g$r6u@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:75590 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3021 news.newusers.questions:69474 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi ! Could you please advise me where I can ftp the pkzip/unzip and kermit for RS6000 ? Please reply to morozovv@ucsu.colorado.edu Thanx a lot for your help. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 24 02:29:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 03:28:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 03:27:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 23 Jun 1995 21:29:12 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99160 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3022 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > >Hi. I'm the principle author of C-Kermit communication software for >UNIX, VMS, OS/2, etc etc. In preparation for a future release, I'm >spiffing up the modem and dialing features, with the following goals: [...] > . Easy addition of new modem types by the user. Why not teach it to read uucp Devices and Dialers files on the unix version at least? Everyone has to set these up anyway and it's annoying to have to do it all over again for kermit and add a start up script that knows how to find a free modem line. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 23 22:33:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 06:17:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 06:17:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!fox!yzalkow From: yzalkow@fox.ee.vt.edu (Yuval Zalkow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit has SOCKS for OS/2, where is source Date: 23 Jun 1995 22:33:34 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3sfffu$rug@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fox.ee.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I have Kermit, 5A(191), which has a SOCKS 4.2 compliant tcp layer in it. I was wondering where I might find the source code for this SOCKS. Is it a port of the UNIX SOCKS library code? I'm hoping for something a little cleaner. I'm hoping to possibly adapt this code further, possibly create a FTP SOCKSified client for OS/2. Thanks, Chris Inacio ---------------- cinacio@vt.edu Please respond to email, I don't frequent this list, but I will try for the next couple of days. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 22 10:37:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:51:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 07:51:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!nova.np.ac.sg!nova.np.ac.sg!news From: 93202319@comet.np.ac.sg (Lau Leck Keong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help... Date: 22 Jun 1995 18:37:27 +0800 Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3sbh57$5pf@comet.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: comet.np.ac.sg Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Anybody know where i can ftp the latest version of ckermit for OS/2 ? Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ JOE LAU LECK KEONG. Local email: NGEE ANN POLYTECHNIC,SINGAPORE. 93202319@sys4 Internet email: JJJJJJJ OOOOOO EEEEEE :) 93202319@np.ac.sg J O O E :( joelau@cyberspace.org J O O EEEEEE ;) joelau@arbornet.org J J O O E :# joelau@grfn.org JJJJ OOOOOO EEEEEE :P ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 23 14:09:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:21:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:21:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Strategic shift to Windows for Ker.?? Message-Id: <1995Jun23.100955.1135@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 23 Jun 95 10:09:55 -0400 Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Kermit World, I'm raising this issue because of my University's actions. We are dropping Kermit in favor of a "Windows compliant" competitor that they have to PAY a site license for. (altho it's a good rate). I think that the time has come to embark on the next generation Kermit that will be win3.1, win95, and maybe even X compliant? I have a mail on the vms groups about some suite of interfaces that enable the same menus to be used across all of these... I'd hate to see the demise of the most stable dog-gone emulator just to lose it to the "Mouseaholics". Kermit is my bread and butter emulator... The mouseaholics complain they can't cut-and-paste from dos kermit, of the fact that it's not windows based, etc, etc, etc til I'm sick of hearing it. I use others for the DEC graphics, but keep returning to Kermit for the daily grind. However, I feel that within a few years, Kermit will be left behind except for us die-hards and all the other non-pc and non-mac systems... Thoughts anyone? Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 24 15:38:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 11:38:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 11:38:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!fox!yzalkow From: yzalkow@fox.ee.vt.edu (Yuval Zalkow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help... Date: 24 Jun 1995 15:38:29 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3shbhl$4hi@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3sbh57$5pf@comet.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: fox.ee.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Lau Leck Keong (93202319@comet.np.ac.sg) wrote: : Anybody know where i can ftp the latest version of ckermit for OS/2 ? The same place everybody else can get every version of Kermit, ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, its in there! Chris Inacio ------------------ cinacio@vt.edu : Regards, : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ : JOE LAU LECK KEONG. Local email: : NGEE ANN POLYTECHNIC,SINGAPORE. 93202319@sys4 : Internet email: : JJJJJJJ OOOOOO EEEEEE :) 93202319@np.ac.sg : J O O E :( joelau@cyberspace.org : J O O EEEEEE ;) joelau@arbornet.org : J J O O E :# joelau@grfn.org : JJJJ OOOOOO EEEEEE :P : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 24 03:44:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27655 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:03:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:03:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Strategic shift to Windows for Ker.?? Message-Id: <1995Jun24.094442.54615@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Jun 95 09:44:42 MDT References: <1995Jun23.100955.1135@gems.vcu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun23.100955.1135@gems.vcu.edu>, agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: > Dear Kermit World, > > I'm raising this issue because of my University's actions. We > are dropping Kermit in favor of a "Windows compliant" competitor > that they have to PAY a site license for. (altho it's a good > rate). I think that the time has come to embark on the next > generation Kermit that will be win3.1, win95, and maybe even X > compliant? I have a mail on the vms groups about some suite of > interfaces that enable the same menus to be used across all of > these... Clearly we have plans for Win Kermit too, but as explained time after time, such projects take personnel, money, time. Here we have the cynicism of many Universities: they want free things, if they are not statisfied they are willing to pay market rates for commercial products but nary a dime for supporting another Univ (or even their own) to continue improving what they now have and know. Why? Probably because it's administratively easier to sign a PO rather than write a letter agreement, not because it is intellectually better. Guess who gives (or not) the technical context for such decisions? > I'd hate to see the demise of the most stable dog-gone emulator > just to lose it to the "Mouseaholics". Kermit is my bread and > butter emulator... > > The mouseaholics complain they can't cut-and-paste from dos > kermit, of the fact that it's not windows based, etc, etc, etc > til I'm sick of hearing it. They can cut and paste. It'a a Windows "feature." Etc may mean it does not entertain them the way some programs do. At some point the people in this country are going to realize that computers at work are not entertainment devices and the continued trend to treat them as such is extremely expensive. You see, each of us has at least one hobby horse. Those same complainers may well grumble that they can't do a number of things with the commercial product you've purchased, and there will be very little that can be done about it. > I use others for the DEC graphics, but keep returning to Kermit > for the daily grind. > > However, I feel that within a few years, Kermit will be left > behind except for us die-hards and all the other non-pc and > non-mac systems... Such optimism is clearly going to assist us as we continue to improve Columbia Kermit offerings. Perhaps your brain too is addled by the trade press; I know mine is totally boggled by vapors and floods of printed emotion passing as established fact. We may apply your phrase "within a few years X will be left behind" to EVERY product now on the market; do you see the intellectual vacuum of such statements? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 24 16:44:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:44:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 12:44:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!fox!yzalkow From: yzalkow@fox.ee.vt.edu (Yuval Zalkow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Strategic shift to Windows for Ker.?? Date: 24 Jun 1995 16:44:29 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3shfdd$6u9@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <1995Jun23.100955.1135@gems.vcu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fox.ee.vt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Brainwave Surfer (agnew@gems.vcu.edu) wrote: : Dear Kermit World, : I'm raising this issue because of my University's actions. We : are dropping Kermit in favor of a "Windows compliant" competitor : that they have to PAY a site license for. (altho it's a good : rate). I think that the time has come to embark on the next : generation Kermit that will be win3.1, win95, and maybe even X : compliant? I have a mail on the vms groups about some suite of : interfaces that enable the same menus to be used across all of : these... : Jim I think that even without these things Kermit is a very useful program. Although I have to admit, my Kermit does have these things. The OS/2 version does have mouse support and the ability to cut and paste to and from the OS/2 clipboard, although right now I don't have it enabled. However, it is still a character mode app, under a very typically GUI OS. I don't think this is a problem though. Maybe Kermit should have some mor features like these, but I think the developers, (Frank Da Cruz,) is doing the right thing, and upgrading things like the modem support before we get the glitz. Just my 2 cents. Chris Inacio -------------------- cinacio@vt.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 24 17:28:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:28:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Jun 1995 13:28:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 24 Jun 1995 17:28:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99215 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3029 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >In article <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >> . Easy addition of new modem types by the user. > >Why not teach it to read uucp Devices and Dialers files on the unix >version at least? Everyone has to set these up anyway and it's >annoying to have to do it all over again for kermit and add a >start up script that knows how to find a free modem line. > Completely ignoring the difficulties among different UNIX versions as to the names, locations, formats, contents, and very existence of these files... It is because C-Kermit is not "just" a UNIX program. If I did this for UNIX, I would still have to do it some other way for VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, VOS, the Amiga, and so on. OK, fine, I'm lazy. But that's not the only reason. The other reason is at the heart of the "Kermit philosophy" (if I may be so pompous). Our goal is to provide a suite of communication software programs that work consistently across hundreds and hundreds of platforms. I know that we have not totally succeeded in achieving the goal, but we are working towards it, and we are definitely opposed to working against it. There are only so many hours in a day, and when we (Kermit developers) can grab a few spare ones to work on software development, those hours are better spent creating features that can be used on many systems, rather than just one. Then, when we document how to set up support for a new modem, we document it one way, not forty-three ways. If we did not feel this way, we would be just like every other software developer -- working on the ONE platform that pays off big-time, and that ain't UNIX !-) So when somebody posts a query on this newsgroup asking for the commands to set up an XYZcommFaxBlasterPro V.34+++++ for C-Kermit, it should not matter what OS they have. The answer should be, and will be, the same for all OS's where C-Kermit runs. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 25 09:07:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 05:28:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19282 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 05:28:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!fauern!lrz-muenchen.de!usenet From: Peter Schmolck Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to re-initialize MS-Kermit? Date: 25 Jun 1995 09:07:18 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3sj906$her@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: peacockv.paed.unibw-muenchen.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a number of Kermit ini-files I am experimenting with to adjust to the requirements regarding terminal emulation and key definitions of some specific sites. To restart trials beginning with my original mskermit.ini + mscustoms.ini configuration I have to close and re-load Kermit again. That is, it seems to me (things are so complicated, hard to control everything) that just entering "take mskermit.ini" does not produce exactly the same that was present after loading Kermit "from scratch". If this observation is true, which command(s) should I place into mscustom.ini (or maybe, if really necessary, into mskermit.ini) to secure "from scratch" initialization without exitting Kermit (which also closes the connection in case of tcp/ip). TIA, Peter -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 25 02:33:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:03:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 11:03:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to re-initialize MS-Kermit? Message-Id: <1995Jun25.083310.54658@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Jun 95 08:33:09 MDT References: <3sj906$her@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sj906$her@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de>, Peter Schmolck writes: > I have a number of Kermit ini-files I am experimenting with to adjust to the > requirements regarding terminal emulation and key definitions of some > specific sites. To restart trials beginning with my original mskermit.ini + > mscustoms.ini configuration I have to close and re-load Kermit again. That is, > it seems to me (things are so complicated, hard to control everything) that > just entering "take mskermit.ini" does not produce exactly the same that was > present after loading Kermit "from scratch". > > If this observation is true, which command(s) should I place into mscustom.ini > (or maybe, if really necessary, into mskermit.ini) to secure "from scratch" > initialization without exitting Kermit (which also closes the connection in case > of tcp/ip). ------------- Most SET commands remain unchanged when you say TAKE MSKERMIT.INI. Keyboard definitions also remain unchanged, but you can say SET KEY CLEAR to restore built-in definitions. Macros remain intact. Thus there is a lot of information retained around TAKE files. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 25 19:34:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:50:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00739 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 15:50:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Testing external errorlevel in MSK 3.14 scripts? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950520BETA PL0] Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 19:34:20 GMT Lines: 11 Sender: jhurwit@netcom23.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to test the errorlevel of a program launched from a MSK 3.14 script with the "run" command, so that the script can respond to the outcome? I want to have a script run PKUNZIP -t to check the integrity of a downloaded archive, and signal the sending kermit to resend if it fails. I saw some mention of a \v(errorlevel) variable and a few IF ERRORLEVEL commands in the help file, but it was not clear if these refer to the exit status of externally run programs. Thanks in advance for any help, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 25 20:25:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:25:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 16:25:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!ieunet!login.Ieunet.ie!ebairead From: ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit & decnet Date: 25 Jun 1995 20:25:12 GMT Organization: Ieunet Limited Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3skgn8$813@news.Ieunet.ie> Nntp-Posting-Host: login.ieunet.ie X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hi I've a site which uses ethernet/decnet & their communication engine is a program called WIZZ , and I haven't come across it before. It seems a fine product, and there is no problem with it. It's just that it's in WINDOWS, and they need something in DOS. So I recommend KERMIT, and they get it from their central DP people , and it's 3.14, and everything seems ok. But it doesn't work - nuttin happens. I tell them - SET PORT DECNET VAX1 (vax1 is the name of their VAX) press return a few times nuttin. Theiir central DP people use it all the time, but won't recommend it to their own client sites - I think because of licensing. Any suggestions ? Eoin From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 25 22:26:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29763 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:31:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:31:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!ellis!roe2 From: roe2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Cave Newt) Subject: Re: Need kermit and pkunzip/zip for IBM RS6000 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: midway.uchicago.edu Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.unix.questions Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Reply-To: roe2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago References: <3sf20g$r6u@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 22:26:38 GMT Lines: 14 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:75648 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3034 news.newusers.questions:69865 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MOROZOV VALENTIN VALENTINOVITCH wrote: > Could you please advise me where I can ftp the pkzip/unzip ... for RS6000 ? You can't. You can, however, grab Info-ZIP's free versions. See http://quest.jpl.nasa.gov/Info-ZIP/ or ftp://ftp.uu.net/pub/archiving/zip/ for details. -- Greg Roelofs "Name an animal that's small and fuzzy." "Mold." newt@uchicago.edu or http://quest.jpl.nasa.gov/Info-ZIP/people/greg/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 00:00:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:01:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:01:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!news.mathworks.com!udel!hopi.dtcc.edu!outland.dtcc.edu!cjudd From: Concepcion Judd Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Subject: Extension on file of .g Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:00:06 -0400 Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College Lines: 6 Message-Id: References: <3sf20g$r6u@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: outland.dtcc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: cjudd@outland In-Reply-To: Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:75649 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3035 news.newusers.questions:69882 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have downloaded some files which have the extension of ".gz" however, I don't have a program which will allow me to expand these compressed files...... Can anyone help me to find such a program?? Thanks in advance..... From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 00:09:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:10:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:10:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!news.Direct.CA!usenet From: dominicp@Direct.CA Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: c-kermit for OS/2 - support remote login? Date: 26 Jun 1995 00:09:45 GMT Organization: Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3skts9$o08@stud.Direct.CA> Reply-To: dominicp%p@Direct.CA Nntp-Posting-Host: dyn-74.direct.ca X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've read that c-kermit for OS/2 supports remote telnet login to you machine. Does anyone know how to set this up? I can't seem to configure it with my PPP connection, it finds TCP/IP dll's fine but I don't know the command to enable telnet login. Thanks in advance -Dom From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 00:37:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:44:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15599 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 20:44:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!rainrgnews0!hevanet.com!usenet From: hb Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Subject: Re: Extension on file of .g Date: 26 Jun 1995 00:37:56 GMT Organization: Hevanet Communications Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3skvh5$n0i@vista.hevanet.com> References: <3sf20g$r6u@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: st-ppp00.hevanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2b1 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: cjudd@outland.dtcc.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:75650 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3037 news.newusers.questions:69884 Concepcion Judd wrote: >I have downloaded some files which have the extension of ".gz" Get thee to this link: http://www.winzip.com/winzip/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 02:40:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07585 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 22:40:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 22:40:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit for OS/2 - support remote login? Date: 26 Jun 1995 02:40:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3sl6n3$l3a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3skts9$o08@stud.direct.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3skts9$o08@stud.direct.ca>, wrote: >I've read that c-kermit for OS/2 supports remote telnet login to you >machine. Does anyone know how to set this up? I can't seem to >configure it with my PPP connection, it finds TCP/IP dll's fine but >I don't know the command to enable telnet login. > Please read the INF file that comes with C0-Kermit. The command is "Telnet" Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 26 03:20:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:23:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:23:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!hookup!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 25 Jun 1995 22:20:33 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99382 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3039 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >>Why not teach it to read uucp Devices and Dialers files on the unix >>version at least? Everyone has to set these up anyway and it's >>annoying to have to do it all over again for kermit and add a >>start up script that knows how to find a free modem line. >> >Completely ignoring the difficulties among different UNIX versions >as to the names, locations, formats, contents, and very existence of >these files... This is indeed a problem, but kermit is now quite capable of implimenting modem selection and dialing in a script which would allow the local setup to be tweaked to read your existing files. >It is because C-Kermit is not "just" a UNIX program. If I did this for >UNIX, I would still have to do it some other way for VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, >VOS, the Amiga, and so on. OK, fine, I'm lazy. In my opinion you would be better off dropping hard-coded dialing support completely. >But that's not the only reason. The other reason is at the heart of >the "Kermit philosophy" (if I may be so pompous). Our goal is to >provide a suite of communication software programs that work consistently >across hundreds and hundreds of platforms. I know that we have not >totally succeeded in achieving the goal, but we are working towards it, >and we are definitely opposed to working against it. I disagree with this philisophy when it applies to the user interface level since it will almost certainly confuse users when they encounter differences from their normal programs. However at a script command level I have to agree. >So when somebody posts a query on this newsgroup asking for the commands to >set up an XYZcommFaxBlasterPro V.34+++++ for C-Kermit, it should not matter >what OS they have. The answer should be, and will be, the same for all OS's >where C-Kermit runs. My questions are more general: How do I make kermit automatically select a suitable free modem from those available on the machine? (Preferably without having to keep a user base aware of changes or modify scripts every time a modem is replaced or moved). How do I add the ability to connect over a new modem or device type that you didn't anticipate (for example an X.25 PAD or a satellite link that uses similar commands)? The Devices and Dialers files in HDB uucp provide a general solution to these questions. Rather than re-invent that solution or provide less general hard-coded knowledge of specific devices that most people don't have imbedded in every binary, why not duplicate it with some macros in kermit and simply create the files for systems where they don't already exist? You do need some concepts that didn't exist in pre-HDB versions, like modem 'classes' rather than speeds in the Devices file to get it right, though. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 09:13:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 05:20:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07913 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 05:20:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!csus.edu!sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu!psalzman From: psalzman@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (sliver) Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Subject: Re: Extension on file of .g Followup-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Date: 26 Jun 1995 09:13:48 GMT Organization: California State University Sacramento Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3sltoc$665@news.csus.edu> References: <3sf20g$r6u@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: psalzman%@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:75664 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3040 news.newusers.questions:69972 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu it appears that outland is a sun. you are probably running sunos or solaris. this means you almost definitely have gzip. If the files with the gz extention are on outland, gzip -d filename.gz If the files with the gz extention are on your pc, upload them to outland, perform the step above and download them back to your pc. -- ############################################################################ FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS JOIN AOL sliver@stars.sfsu.edu psalzman@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu sliver@quark.sfsu.edu ############################################################################ I BOYCOTT ANY COMPANY THAT USES MASS ADVERTISING TACTICS ON THE INTERNET From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 09:29:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 05:30:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 05:30:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!news.Austria.EU.net!tony From: tony@austria.eu.net (Tony Curtis) Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Subject: Re: Extension on file of .g Followup-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Date: 26 Jun 1995 09:29:47 GMT Organization: EUnet EDV-Dienstleistungs GmbH (Austria) Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: References: <3sf20g$r6u@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> <3sltoc$665@news.csus.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: relay1.austria.eu.net In-Reply-To: psalzman@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu's message of 26 Jun 1995 09:13:48 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:75665 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3041 news.newusers.questions:69973 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sliver> If the files with the gz extention are on outland, sliver> gzip -d filename.gz sliver> If the files with the gz extention are on your pc, sliver> upload them to outland, perform the step above and sliver> download them back to your pc. Or get gzip.exe for DOS which is probably easier in this case... tony From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 10:04:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:37:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 06:37:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!nntp.gmd.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news From: KRUECKEL@reze-1.rz.rwth-aachen.de (KRUECKEL) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Macintosh: Need Applescriptable Kermit app. Date: 26 Jun 1995 10:04:29 GMT Organization: Rechenzentrum, RWTH Aachen Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3sm0nd$9fv@news.rwth-aachen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: cip07.rz.rwth-aachen.de X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there any applescriptable Kermit application for Macintosh? Please email me or send me a copy if it is PD. Philipp From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 12:46:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:46:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:46:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 26 Jun 1995 12:46:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 75 Message-Id: <3sma6k$srb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99424 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3043 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >In article <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >In my opinion you would be better off dropping hard-coded dialing >support completely. > I'd like to do that too, but when you begin to support non-Hayes compatibles, that you lose the ability to be totally table driven. It's not only the commands that are different, it's also the very procedures themselves. Nevertheless, C-Kermit's new features make it more table-driven, not less. >>But that's not the only reason. The other reason is at the heart of >>the "Kermit philosophy" (if I may be so pompous). Our goal is to >>provide a suite of communication software programs that work consistently >>across hundreds and hundreds of platforms. I know that we have not >>totally succeeded in achieving the goal, but we are working towards it, >>and we are definitely opposed to working against it. > >I disagree with this philisophy when it applies to the user interface >level since it will almost certainly confuse users when they >encounter differences from their normal programs. > Granted, but (again) we are not talking about Microsoft or Lotus here, with giant warehouses full of eager-faced programmers to crank out the user interface ju jour, on a "jourly" basis, as corporations and amorphous consortia thereof invent new three-letter acronyms with which we all must comply or perish -- no, we have to stretch the work of a very small group of people to cover a very large number of platforms and a huge number of users. (And if we were talking about Microsoft or Lotus, we would not be having this conversation :-) >How do I make kermit automatically select a suitable free modem from >those available on the machine? (Preferably without having to keep >a user base aware of changes or modify scripts every time a modem >is replaced or moved). > That would be highly dependent not only on the underlying platform, but also on its specific configuration, and therefore is best done with a Kermit script program, as you go on to suggest... >How do I add the ability to connect over a new modem or device type >that you didn't anticipate (for example an X.25 PAD or a satellite >link that uses similar commands)? > Hopefully you will be able to use C-Kermit's new "set modem type user-defined" feature for this. That's what it's for. I'd appreciate specific constructive feedback on how / whether it can be used to handle oddball situations, and detailed examples thereof. >The Devices and Dialers files in HDB uucp provide a general solution >to these questions. Rather than re-invent that solution or provide >less general hard-coded knowledge of specific devices that most people >don't have imbedded in every binary, why not duplicate it with some >macros in kermit and simply create the files for systems where they >don't already exist? You do need some concepts that didn't exist >in pre-HDB versions, like modem 'classes' rather than speeds in the >Devices file to get it right, though. > But aren't we moving away from the timesharing world, where a bunch of users on the same machine are competing for the same pool of dialout ports. An increasing proportion of C-Kermit users has total control of the computer they are using. And when dialout ports are pooled, they are more likely to be on some kind of communication server that already handles this problem without the communications software needing to know a thing about it, e.g. reverse terminal servers where telnet'ing to port 2000 gives you the first free dialout port. But still, a scripted approach to finding a free dialout port and picking up its essential characteristics, is obviously a good idea in environments where it is needed. Would anybody like to take a shot at it? There is an example of this kind of thing in kermit/f/ckeracu.ini on kermit.columbia.edu, very close to what you are talking about. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 15:02:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:46:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:46:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!sdd.comsat.com!ctd.comsat.com!usenet From: Rod Ragland Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom.tech,alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WANTED: Information on PC HDLC Software Date: 26 Jun 1995 15:02:19 GMT Organization: COMSAT Labs Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3smi5r$8tn@peppy.ctd.comsat.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: bugs.ctd.comsat.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1b3 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.05 9000/710) To: rod@columbia.edu X-Url: news:comp.dcom.telecom.tech#199506242019.QAA16023@deathstar.cris.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.telecom.tech:16171 alt.dcom.telecom:17915 comp.protocols.ibm:4477 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3044 We are looking for software which runs on PC-based computers which implements an HDLC like HDLC communication protocol for basic data file transfers. The communications software should be flexible enough to allow the user to vary both the packet message length and message window size (or modulus M) to optimize the throughput efficency to a given channel. In addition, the software should support the Hayes modem AT command set. Any information on software such as I have described would be greatly appreciated. Thanks In Advance. ==================================================================== Roderick J. Ragland, Scientist E-mail: rod@ctd.comsat.com COMSAT Laboratories tel: (301)428.4492 Communications Technology Division fax: (301)428.4534 From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 17:37:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21824 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:46:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:46:03 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!soap.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!tron!usenet From: hendri1@ibm.net (Stan Hendrix) Subject: Re: Scrambled Characters in Telnet Session Message-Id: <1995Jun26.173752.6036@tron.bwi.wec.com> Sender: usenet@tron.bwi.wec.com (Usenet_news poster) Reply-To: hendri1@ibm.net Organization: Westinghouse Electronic Systems X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ References: <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <1995Jun22.212304.54526@cc.usu.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:37:52 GMT Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun22.212304.54526@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: > >In article <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, hendri1@ibm.net (Stan Hendrix) writes: >> I get scrambled characters after hitting return key whenever I telnet to coin.missouri.edu. >> I have tried several different terminal types - vt100, vt220, ansi - as well as >> various NEWLINE-MODE settings. Nothing works. >--------- > Haven't the vaguest. Coin.missouri.edu isn't in a nameserver that >I tried. It is also known as bigcat.missouri.edu > a) What Kermit and version number MS-DOS, v3.14 > b) What terminal type the host is using Not sure. When you get to the government access center the default terminal is VT100 > c) What those scrambled characters look like (because I can't >reproduce a connection from my place) When I hit the enter key I get strings of characters that look like this: ][^235[]. I have to delete them with the backspace key to get back to the cursor. > d) Whether you said SET DISPLAY 8-BIT or similar I am using the Kermit defaults. > e) Whether coin is an ASCII or EBCDIC machine (and what kind of >machine would be useful to know as well) I don't know but the first thing you see is "SUN UNIX OS" then a login prompt. You login as GUEST without a password. > > Joe D. As I said I use C-Kermit for OS/2 on my home machine and login to COIN as a VT220 terminal using the C-Kermit defaults and I don't have this problem. I am using the MS-DOS Kermit at work over a LANMAN/WFWG Winsock TCP/IP network. Thank for your help. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 18:00:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:37:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:37:26 -0400 Control: newgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc y Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!bbnews!rsvl_ns!ernie!bert From: bert@rsvl.unisys.com (Bert Hyman) Subject: newgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc y Message-Id: Approved: news@unisys.com Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:00:48 GMT Distribution: unisys Organization: Unisys Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -- Bert Hyman | Unisys - Roseville MN bert@rsvl.unisys.com | (612) 635-7791 | net2: 524-7791 From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 21:20:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06259 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:58:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:58:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!udel!rochester!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: Britestar@columbia.edu (Britestar, Inc.) 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From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 15:49:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:00:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:00:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: Greg Bernard Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KEA keyboards Date: 26 Jun 1995 15:49:42 GMT Organization: Data Broadcasting Corporation Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3smkum$ma0@ccnet.ccnet.com> References: <3s775e$a1q@ccnet.ccnet.com> <1995Jun20.173956.54405@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: jrd@cc.usu.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > I haven't used such a keyboard but the key definition process >should be straight forward and quick. Use Kermit command SET KEY and >press ENTER at that point. The command then prompts for the key to >be define (asks you to press it). The key code is shown together with >any current definition. The second prompt is for a new definition, if >any, and you would then type \KdecF18 or whatever. Make a note of >the key code and your definition. Joe, This is exactly what I did for the keys that I did define. The problem is that when I press some of the 'extended' (I suppose DEC only) keys, no key code is generated - the 'SET KEY' simply waits until I hit another key that it does recognize. The keyboards work like a charm under Windoze where it has it's own DLL, but for the life of me I can't get a response under DOS. Thanks for the suggestion though. Any other ideas? Greg Bernard gbernard@dbc.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 22:04:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:03:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:03:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.ICSI.Net!news.ICSI.Net!not-for-mail From: jakem@ICSI.Net (Jake Messinger) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Multiple Windows under Kermit Date: 26 Jun 1995 17:04:33 -0500 Organization: Internet Connect Services, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3snath$ghf@degas.ICSI.Net> Nntp-Posting-Host: degas.icsi.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hey Im having lockup probs under kermit 3.14. I thought it was my arcnet driver emulating ethernet and odi, but I just put in ethernet and ran a packet driver and it does the same thing. It seems to be okay, but when I open a second window to the same host, it gets real slow and doesnt respond in one window until I don something in another window. Then it sometimes locks up. What is the correct procedure for running multi windows to the same host? Why is it so slow? and why the lockups? Are there some buffer pr block size settings I have to change? -- ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Jake Messinger 713-772-6690 jake@ams.com Advanced Medical Systems 800-324-8594 jakem@icsi.net Houston, Texas jake@crl.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 22:19:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08179 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:45:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:45:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!newshost.gu.edu.au!usenet From: Tony Nugent Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Subject: Re: Extension on file of .g Date: 26 Jun 1995 22:19:47 GMT Organization: Griffith University Brisbane Queensland Australia Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3snbq3$c6j@ngriffin.itc.gu.edu.au> References: <3sf20g$r6u@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Reply-To: T.Nugent@sct.gu.edu.au Nntp-Posting-Host: kraken.itc.gu.edu.au Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:75690 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3049 news.newusers.questions:70080 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Concepcion Judd writes: >I have downloaded some files which have the extension of ".gz" >however, I don't have a program which will allow me to expand these >compressed files...... Can anyone help me to find such a program?? % gzip -d file.gz OR % gunzip file.gz It should already be on your system. But if not it can be obtained from: prep.ai.mit.edu :: /pub/gnu/ Cheers Tony /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~~\ | . Tony Nugent |____) | _--_|\ Griffith University | | / *\ Brisbane, Queensland, Australia | | \_.--._/ tnugent@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au | | v T.Nugent@sct.gu.edu.au | | | /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/ | \__________________________________________\__/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 20:34:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:40:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:40:10 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!woodlawn!ses3 From: ses3@woodlawn.uchicago.edu (Steven Schwartz) Subject: SLIP dialing and connecting X-Nntp-Posting-Host: midway.uchicago.edu Message-Id: Summary: How to get it to work Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) Reply-To: ses3@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Information Technologies Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:34:24 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm tearing my hair out here. ;-) I've been trying to configure MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, the version before this most recent update, to connect and support SLIP on our current system. I'm using a USRobotics 28.8 modem, and getting some very strange results. First of all, a description of what needs to be done: It connects, then generates a "Username:" prompt. After the user has entered it, they then need to enter a password at the "Password:" prompt. A third prompt requires them to enter "slip-default", after which they can, in theory, use bootp or simply be given an IP number by the server. Now, it would seem reasonable that one should be able to make this work. But I've been having problems with dropped characters, and simply getting the consarned script to connect correctly, as "output" commands fail to output correctly, giving the full text rather than, say, a $(environment) variable substitution, and seem incapable of sending a carriage return. Given this, the entire scripting situation is a right royal mess. Any tips, suggestions, script samples would be greatly appreciated, as I've been over the .BWR, .HLP, and .UPD files, along with Network.doc, so often that I'm seeing them in my dreams. ;-) I've probably missed something blatantly obvious, but I for the life of me can't find it. Thank you very much. Steven Schwartz ses3@midway.uchicago.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 23:12:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:56:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:56:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 26 Jun 1995 18:12:10 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3snesa$6eo@Mars.mcs.com> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com> <3sma6k$srb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99476 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3051 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sma6k$srb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >>In my opinion you would be better off dropping hard-coded dialing >>support completely. >> >I'd like to do that too, but when you begin to support non-Hayes >compatibles, that you lose the ability to be totally table driven. It's >not only the commands that are different, it's also the very procedures >themselves. Nevertheless, C-Kermit's new features make it more >table-driven, not less. If you need features beyond expect-send sequences to dial, chances are that someone will that feature outside the context of dialing too. It should be included in the script command language, which in turn makes dialing as a macro possible. >>The Devices and Dialers files in HDB uucp provide a general solution >>to these questions. Rather than re-invent that solution or provide >>less general hard-coded knowledge of specific devices that most people >>don't have imbedded in every binary, why not duplicate it with some >>macros in kermit and simply create the files for systems where they >>don't already exist? >But aren't we moving away from the timesharing world, where a bunch of >users on the same machine are competing for the same pool of dialout >ports? Not entirely. Many places have just put a PC on the desktop with LAN connections to various resources. In my case one of these is a unix host with a bunch of modems doing dial in/out fax and data. >An increasing proportion of C-Kermit users has total control of >the computer they are using. It is still moderately expensive to put an extra analog phone line in everyone's office along with their digital multi-line sets that don't work with modems, plus buying everyone their own modem. >And when dialout ports are pooled, they are >more likely to be on some kind of communication server that already >handles this problem without the communications software needing to know a >thing about it, e.g. reverse terminal servers where telnet'ing to port >2000 gives you the first free dialout port. That is probably the way to go, but the organizations that use kermit aren't likely to be able to afford them. In fact, I'd like to use kermit to emulate one of them such that a PC kermit user would connect to the unix host via telnet and the unix kermit would pick a modem line and provide the connection as transparently as possible. My real problem in pursuing this at the moment is that I am replacing my AT&T servers with an OSI transport that allowed MSDOS kermit to do a scripted login to the unix hosts with a TCP/IP transport on the unix side and WFW/winsock on the PC side and I haven't found a way to use kermit with this setup. Given that you can do this with a free server (samba) and a cheap client (WFW w/TCP), I think this might be a popular arrangement for people who would be likely to want to use kermit so it is unfortunate that it doesn't work. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 23:28:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:57:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:57:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.insinc.net!news.Direct.CA!usenet From: dominicp@Direct.CA Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit for OS/2 - support remote login? Date: 26 Jun 1995 23:28:11 GMT Organization: Internet Direct, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3snfqb$766@stud.Direct.CA> References: <3skts9$o08@stud.direct.ca> <3sl6n3$l3a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dominicp@Direct.CA Nntp-Posting-Host: dyn-234.direct.ca X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3sl6n3$l3a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >Please read the INF file that comes with C0-Kermit. > >The command is "Telnet" > >Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 >NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Thanks for the tip Jeffrey. I am able to open telnet connections to other sites as I've read in the INF file using the "telnet" command. What I really wanted to know is if kermit can accept incoming telnet connections, ie. act as a simple telnet deamon for my PPP connection. The OS/2 C-Kermit web page says: "Incoming TCP/IP connections are now accepted -- you can TELNET to OS/2 C-Kermit on a pre-arranged socket and have a 'chat' session or execute Kermit server functions." Does this function require an existing telnet daemon? How does it handle login id, passwords, and security? How do I set up the socket to accept incoming connections and what IP address will it have? I hope I've clarified what I'm trying to setup. Any help on the commands required to set this up would be greatly appreciated. -Dom From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 03:46:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:46:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:46:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit for OS/2 - support remote login? Date: 27 Jun 1995 03:46:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3snuui$ipf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3skts9$o08@stud.direct.ca> <3sl6n3$l3a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3snfqb$766@stud.direct.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3snfqb$766@stud.direct.ca>, wrote: >In <3sl6n3$l3a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >> >What I really wanted to know is if kermit can accept incoming telnet >connections, ie. act as a simple telnet deamon for my PPP connection. >The OS/2 C-Kermit web page says: > > "Incoming TCP/IP connections are now accepted -- you can TELNET to OS/2 > C-Kermit on a pre-arranged socket and have a 'chat' session or execute > Kermit server functions." > >Does this function require an existing telnet daemon? How does it handle >login id, passwords, and security? How do I set up the socket to accept >incoming connections and what IP address will it have? The documentation for providing incoming connections is in the INF file. However, C-Kermit is not a telnet daemon. The incoming connections can only be used to provide peer-to-peer chat or kermit server operations. The reason this support is required under OS/2 is that telnet daemon's on OS/2 do not provide clean connections which can be used for Kermit file transfer. If you want incoming telnet services then you will need a telnet daemon such as is provided in OS/2 Warp Connect. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 00:55:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 00:16:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21153 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 00:16:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cm.net!cyberspam!not-for-mail Control: cancel <3sn7ve$8jm@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: alt.spam,comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Britestar@columbia.edu (Britestar, Inc.) Subject: cmsg cancel <3sn7ve$8jm@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Date: 27 Jun 1995 00:55:36 GMT Message-Id: Organization: Imminent Death of Net Predicted. Film at 11. 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From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 18:55:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 01:55:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 01:55:00 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!swissbank!root From: rmichael@il.us.swissbank.com (Bob Michael) Subject: telnet script Message-Id: <1995Jun26.185556.3753@il.us.swissbank.com> Sender: root@il.us.swissbank.com (Operator) Nntp-Posting-Host: nwk19_ocachi Reply-To: rmichael@swissbank.com Organization: Swiss Bank Corporation CM&T Division Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:55:56 GMT Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to write a script that will telnet to a remote machine that has a modem pool and then dial a bbs. After I send the telnet command, none of the subsequent commands execute. Can I use output and input with telnet? Is there a way to script commands when using telnet? I'm kind of new to kermit and I'm not having much success. Thanks, Bob rmichael@swissbank.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 02:15:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 02:32:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 02:32:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!cpccux0.cityu.edu.hk!94907642 From: 94907642%$MAILHOST@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Super Sailormoon) Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Subject: Re: Extension on file of .g Followup-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.newusers.questions Date: 27 Jun 1995 02:15:13 GMT Organization: City University of Hong Kong Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3snpjh$if2@cpccux0.cityu.edu.hk> References: <3sf20g$r6u@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: cpccux1.cityu.edu.hk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:75709 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3055 news.newusers.questions:70149 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Concepcion Judd (cjudd@outland.dtcc.edu) wrote: : I have downloaded some files which have the extension of ".gz" : however, I don't have a program which will allow me to expand these : compressed files...... Can anyone help me to find such a program?? Hi, As your mentioned, the extension with gz file is a compression file Which is compressed by Unix compressional utility "gzip". You would uncompress it by "gunzip". This uncompressional utility would always be supported in most of Unix shell. Just try to type "gunzip" in your prompt. It should be post you most of the usages about that.` -- __ __ __ __ __/\_\ Planet de Pluto / // /_/ GSI/GSR - Computational Neutronics /\_\__ /\_\/_/ Power Make Up /_//_ /_/ Department of Cybernetic Engineering \/_/\_\ \/_/\_\ Sys Engin. - Advanced Neuron Engineering Computing Laboratory /\_\/_/ \/_/ Elect-Mail: 94907642@cpccux0.cityu.edu.hk (Super Sailormoon) \/_/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 13:10:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:10:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:10:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet script Date: 27 Jun 1995 13:10:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3sp00b$qi5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jun26.185556.3753@il.us.swissbank.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun26.185556.3753@il.us.swissbank.com>, Bob Michael wrote: >I'm trying to write a script that will telnet to a remote machine that has >a modem pool and then dial a bbs. After I send the telnet command, none >of the subsequent commands execute. Can I use output and input with >telnet? Is there a way to script commands when using telnet? I'm kind of >new to kermit and I'm not having much success. > Which Kermit program are you talking about, which version, on which platform? Probably C-Kermit. The current version is 5A(190). Do you have the manual? Probably not, judging from your question. Here's the answer: replace the "telnet " command in your script with "set host ". "telnet" puts Kermit in CONNECT mode, "set host" starts a connection without putting Kermit in CONNECT mode (similar to DIAL). The manual is available in English and German: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Telephone: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +2 212 663-8202 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add US $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +1 416 598-0045 (Toronto, ON office for Canada) +44 1933 414414 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 356-1925 (Singapore office for Asia) +27 031 294247 (Durban office for South Africa) And German: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 88,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 13:22:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:22:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:22:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 27 Jun 1995 13:22:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3sp0m6$rl6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com> <3sma6k$srb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3snesa$6eo@Mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99533 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3057 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3snesa$6eo@Mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: : If you need features beyond expect-send sequences to dial, chances are : that someone will that feature outside the context of dialing too. : It should be included in the script command language, which in turn : makes dialing as a macro possible. : It has always been possible to write dialing scripts for C-Kermit, exactly as we do for MS-DOS Kermit. C-Kermit also has a built-in dialer. If you don't like it and would rather use scripts, you can even remove the built-in dialer by building C-Kermit with -DNODIAL. : It is still moderately expensive to put an extra analog phone line : in everyone's office along with their digital multi-line sets that : don't work with modems, plus buying everyone their own modem. : True, but those digital phone sets, and the PBXs behind them, cost truckloads of money already. I know, we have one here :-). Organizations that buy them are *supposed* to include provisions for dialin, dialout, fax, and answering machine service (ha ha). : ... I'd like to use : kermit to emulate one of them such that a PC kermit user would connect to : the unix host via telnet and the unix kermit would pick a modem line and : provide the connection as transparently as possible. My real problem in : pursuing this at the moment is that I am replacing my AT&T servers : with an OSI transport that allowed MSDOS kermit to do a scripted login : to the unix hosts with a TCP/IP transport on the unix side and : WFW/winsock on the PC side and I haven't found a way to use kermit : with this setup. : Sigh, it's always something. Well, we are well aware of the need for "Winsock compliance", and I hope we will have an interesting announcement in this area some time soon (weeks or months, not years). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 14:41:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:41:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05355 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:41:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SLIP dialing and connecting Date: 27 Jun 1995 14:41:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3sp5b9$578@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Steven Schwartz wrote: : I've been trying to configure MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, the version before : this most recent update, to connect and support SLIP on our current system. : I'm using a USRobotics 28.8 modem, and getting some very strange results. : ... But I've been having problems with dropped characters... : Do you have RTS/CTS enabled in Kermit *and* in the modem? Did you use the SPORT.SCR dialing script that comes with MS-DOS Kermit? Lack of adequate flow control is the most likely explanation for dropped characters. If you are using RTS/CTS correctly (i.e. it is enabled in both Kermit and modem, and the cable, if any, actually has end-to-end wires for these signals :-), then either you have an interrupt conflict, an unbuffered UART, or both. : ... and simply : getting the consarned script to connect correctly, as "output" commands fail : to output correctly, giving the full text rather than, say, a $(environment) : variable substitution ... : Did you put a backslash in front of the $ sign? : ... and seem incapable of sending a carriage return. : output foo\13 sends "foo" followed by a carriage return. 13 is the ASCII code for carriage return. : Given this, the entire scripting situation is a right royal mess. : Any tips, suggestions, script samples would be greatly appreciated, as : I've been over the .BWR, .HLP, and .UPD files, along with Network.doc, so : often that I'm seeing them in my dreams. ;-) : Do you see the "Using MS-DOS Kermit" chapters on script programming there too ?-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 03:39:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17170 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:21:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:21:18 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!fonorola!infoshare!whome!gts!bokonon!stephen From: stephen@bokonon.UUCP (Stephen M. Dunn) Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Organization: United System Solutions Inc. Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 03:39:40 GMT Message-Id: References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> Lines: 38 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99608 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3059 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: $Why not teach it to read uucp Devices and Dialers files on the unix $version at least? Everyone has to set these up anyway and it's $annoying to have to do it all over again for kermit and add a $start up script that knows how to find a free modem line. You'd be surprised, actually, at how many people _don't_ set these up, and go through life expecting that the modem will just work optimally without any setup if it's used only for dial-in. I've seen more than one >9600 bps modem used as a 9600-only modem because someone didn't know that you could set up the OS to do better, noticed in the manual that the modem defaults to 9600 bps DTE rate when powered on, and just left it like that. I've also seen a 9600 bps modem configured to use a hayes2400 dialer, again due to lack of knowledge on the part of the person who set it up. As for dial-out, I think C-Kermit probably needs more information than just "how UUCP or cu dials out" and "how to reset the modem for dialin". For example, of all the stuff it finds, how does it know which bits enable or disable error control, data compression, how flow control is set, etc.? Throw in the fact that there isn't just one standard format for these (I believe pre-HDB UUCP used a different format; I've never used Taylor UUCP so I can't say if it does or not) and it gets more difficult to fish this stuff out. And some UUCP packages allow for an undialer to reset the modem after a call; others assume the modem can do this on its own. In some cases, even if a system allows an undialer, it may not be used (for example, this system doesn't use one, as it places all calls and never accepts any), so if there was something you needed in that entry, you might never be able to find it. -- stephen@bokonon.UUCP ...!{xrtll,gts.org}!bokonon!stephen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stephen M. Dunn, CNE, ACE, Sr. Systems Analyst, United System Solutions Inc. 104 Carnforth Road, Toronto, ON, Canada M4A 2K7 (416) 750-7946 x251 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 21:26:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:27:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:27:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Configurable APC checking in next MSK release? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950520BETA PL0] Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:26:53 GMT Lines: 23 Sender: jhurwit@netcom13.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've written a script to automate an exchange of files between my Unix account (running C-Kermit 5A(190)) and my PC (running Kermite 3.14 PL 6). It seemed best to run it on the Unix side (since it will be launched along with C-Kermit from a shell script), and control the PC Kermit with APC commands. To make the script work, I also needed to write a small macro for the PC side (to be launched with an APC command) that would check for a file, and tell the C-Kermit script whether it exists or not. This would not work until I set APC unchecked on the PC Kermit, because apparently the output command is not considered safe to use in a script or macro that is invoked with an APC command. I don't really like running Kermit on my PC with APC unchecked, but I don't know of any other way this little macro can tell the C-Kermit script whether or not the file exists without use of output commands. For the next release of MS-Kermit, would it be feasible to make it possible for the user to define a list of safe (or unsafe) commands for APC checking, perhaps to work in a way similar to setting control character prefixing? Thanks in advance for your consideration, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 21:20:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:31:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24377 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:31:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!interaccess!flowbee!dmg From: dmg@flowbee.interaccess.com (Data Management Group) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: LRC error checking Date: 27 Jun 1995 21:20:10 GMT Organization: InterAccess, Chicago's best Internet service provider. Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3spsma$d3c@nntp.interaccess.com> Reply-To: dmg@interaccess.com Nntp-Posting-Host: flowbee.interaccess.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to apply LRC error checking to a string of data to be sent to remote host. I am looking for a script/program that can be applied to the data and give the LRC character. I am using the latest release of Kermit on an RS6k running 3.2.5 and I can use any language or script .It should use the XOR function across the data stream which will be alpha, numeric and character based upto 150 chars in length. If anybody knows of anything that will do this or has knowledge of how to go about this any help would be appreciated. Cheers, Ian ============================================================================== Data Management Group E-Mail: dmg@dmgil.com Oak Brook, IL Please Reply with; Subject:ATTN:IAN Ian Barraclough Tel # 708-953-0037 "Any opinions expressed.......blah,blah,blah......." ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 08:51:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 03:19:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 03:19:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Testing external errorlevel in MSK 3.14 scripts? Message-Id: <1995Jun27.145112.54791@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Jun 95 14:51:12 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > Is it possible to test the errorlevel of a program launched from a MSK > 3.14 script with the "run" command, so that the script can respond to > the outcome? I want to have a script run PKUNZIP -t to check the > integrity of a downloaded archive, and signal the sending kermit to > resend if it fails. I saw some mention of a \v(errorlevel) variable > and a few IF ERRORLEVEL commands in the help file, but it was not clear > if these refer to the exit status of externally run programs. ----------- Alas, no. Errorlevel is a private integer kept deep within DOS (undoc'd) and it is not visible outside of Command.com. Kermit uses Command.com to perform the RUN command. .BAT files are handled by Command.com, hence can see Errorlevel. You can't even write to the DOS Environment within a BAT file and have the results available to Kermit (even though MSK knows how to read the Environment) because the BAT file is using only a local copy of the Env which vanishes with Command.com #2 exits back to Kermit. About the only thing I can suggest is to write a file somewhere and let MSK act on file present/absent, or similar paleolithic o/s technique. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 17:28:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 03:46:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 03:46:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: SLIP dialing and connecting Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:28:58 GMT Lines: 24 Sender: helios@netcom5.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Steven Schwartz (ses3@woodlawn.uchicago.edu) wrote: : I've been trying to configure MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, the version before : this most recent update, to connect and support SLIP on our current system. : I'm using a USRobotics 28.8 modem, and getting some very strange results. Perhaps you should show us what script is not working. The following script works between MS-DOS and SunOS to log into a shell account. if not def netpass askq netpass password: do unix ; in case params were changed set term color 0 37 44 ; white on blue set term char latin1 ; restore default after etrib set term type vt102 set flow rts dial netcom if fail dial netcom2 if fail end 1 input 5 ogin: if success output helios\13 input 5 sword: if success output \m(netpass)\13 connect -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 28 08:01:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 04:14:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 04:14:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!soap.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!news From: t130313@130.230.102.14 (Pasi Tolonen) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 28 Jun 1995 08:01:59 GMT Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 38 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3sr29n$hcu@cc.tut.fi> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com> Reply-To: Pasi.Tolonen@cs.tut.fi Nntp-Posting-Host: kummis21.cc.tut.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99709 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3064 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM says... >My questions are more general: > >How do I make kermit automatically select a suitable free modem from >those available on the machine? (Preferably without having to keep >a user base aware of changes or modify scripts every time a modem >is replaced or moved). Leslie, In our Unix-environments, we handle the situation you described earlier: ... def POR_SEL IF EXIST /usr/spool/uucp/LCK..tty1a goto NEXT, set line /dev/tty1a, echo Port tty1a selected, goto PORT_OK, :NEXT, IF EXIST /usr/spool/uucp/LCK..ttya01 goto NEXT2, set line /dev/ttya01, echo Port ttya01 selected, goto PORT_OK, :NEXT2, IF EXIST /usr/spool/uucp/LCK..tty2a goto PORT_FAIL, set line /dev/tty2A, echo Port tty2A selected, :PORT_OK, pause 3, GOTO AWAY, :PORT_FAIL, echo All modems are in use, pause 3, :AWAY ... I quickly translated this from finnish to english, so please allow any typing mistakes and test it before use (Hmm... actually from script/finnish to script/english ;-)). Quick and very very dirty, but it works! Regards, Pasi -- Pasi Tolonen Systems Manager Analyste Oy tel: +358-31-2133544 fax: +358-31-2227701 email:Pasi.Tolonen@cs.tut.fi From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 19:06:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 07:31:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 07:31:35 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!in1.uu.net!tron!usenet From: hendrix.m@smtpgty.bwi.wec.com (Stan Hendrix) Subject: Re: Scrambled Characters in Telnet Session Message-Id: <1995Jun26.190613.10255@tron.bwi.wec.com> Sender: usenet@tron.bwi.wec.com (Usenet_news poster) Reply-To: hendri1@ibm.net Organization: Westinghouse Electronic Systems X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ References: <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <1995Jun22.212304.54526@cc.usu.edu> <1995Jun26.173752.6036@tron.bwi.wec.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:06:13 GMT Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun26.173752.6036@tron.bwi.wec.com>, hendri1@ibm.net (Stan Hendrix) says: > >In article <1995Jun22.212304.54526@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >> > >> c) What those scrambled characters look like (because I can't >>reproduce a connection from my place) >When I hit the enter key I get strings of characters that look like this: ][^235[]. Correction: The scrambled characters are "^[[?62;1;2;4;6;8;9;15c". From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 28 15:29:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26337 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:29:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:29:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Configurable APC checking in next MSK release? Date: 28 Jun 1995 15:29:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3srsg1$i1l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: : I've written a script to automate an exchange of files between my Unix : account (running C-Kermit 5A(190)) and my PC (running Kermite 3.14 PL : 6). It seemed best to run it on the Unix side (since it will be : launched along with C-Kermit from a shell script), and control the PC : Kermit with APC commands. To make the script work, I also needed to : write a small macro for the PC side (to be launched with an APC : command) that would check for a file, and tell the C-Kermit script : whether it exists or not. This would not work until I set APC : unchecked on the PC Kermit, because apparently the output command is : not considered safe to use in a script or macro that is invoked with an : APC command. I don't really like running Kermit on my PC with APC : unchecked, but I don't know of any other way this little macro can tell : the C-Kermit script whether or not the file exists without use of : output commands. : : For the next release of MS-Kermit, would it be feasible to make it : possible for the user to define a list of safe (or unsafe) commands for : APC checking, perhaps to work in a way similar to setting control : character prefixing? : This is an excellent topic for discussion. We have two conflicting goals here, and it is not easy to imagine any way to reconcile them. One is (obviously) security, the other is (for want of a better word) power. Let me begin by asking, how can the OUTPUT command ever be considered safe? The instant you enable it, you are totally vulnerable to attacks of the sort that should not be too hard to imagine, which can come as screen messages, text in email or a file (or a news posting, or a Web page...) that you are reading, or any other way that a "friend" could make something appear on your screen. If you can guarantee that your host environment is safe, then it should be safe to "set term apc unchecked". If you can't, then it isn't. Right? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 25 18:08:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:19:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:19:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!dove.nist.gov!enh.nist.gov!reflib From: reflib@enh.nist.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: What is lowest form of DOS for Kermit 3.12 Date: 25 JUN 95 18:08:16 GMT Organization: NIST Lines: 11 Message-Id: <25JUN95.18081619@enh.nist.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: enh.nist.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anybody know what is the lowest form of DOS which is compatible with MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 [Sept 1992 Patch level 0, if that matters]? Do later Kermit releases require correspondingly higher levels of DOS? I'd like to find an answer before I give a one-hour introduction to Internet tomorrow afternoon (EDT Monday 26 June) if possible. Thanks. reflib@enh.nist.gov From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 28 04:13:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 02:33:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 02:33:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 27 Jun 1995 23:13:15 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 58 Message-Id: <3sqksr$g8l@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99823 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3068 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Stephen M. Dunn wrote: >In article <3sft9o$8ul@Mars.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >$Why not teach it to read uucp Devices and Dialers files on the unix >$version at least? Everyone has to set these up anyway and it's >$annoying to have to do it all over again for kermit and add a >$start up script that knows how to find a free modem line. > > You'd be surprised, actually, at how many people _don't_ set >these up, and go through life expecting that the modem will just >work optimally without any setup if it's used only for dial-in. >I've seen more than one >9600 bps modem used as a 9600-only >modem because someone didn't know that you could set up the OS >to do better, noticed in the manual that the modem defaults to >9600 bps DTE rate when powered on, and just left it like that. >I've also seen a 9600 bps modem configured to use a hayes2400 >dialer, again due to lack of knowledge on the part of the person >who set it up. Actually most modern modems can use a hayes2400 dialer, *if* you manually configure its settings and store the correct defaults. This, by the way, is a very good reason to keep a copy of kermit around on every unix machine. It is generally difficult to impossible to chat with modems that don't have carrier detect up using the stock unix programs. I keep scripts around to initialize all my modems for bidirectional use (no echo, no result codes, actual carrier detect, reset on DTR drop, etc.) so I can run them easily whenever I swap a modem or suspect it isn't set right. > As for dial-out, I think C-Kermit probably needs more information >than just "how UUCP or cu dials out" and "how to reset the modem >for dialin". For example, of all the stuff it finds, how does it >know which bits enable or disable error control, data compression, >how flow control is set, etc.? Unless your unix ports can't handle hardware flow control you are almost always better off locking the computer<->modem speed at the highest they can handle well and letting the modem negotiate the details of how to deal with the other end. But, the HDB files allow you to specify 'classes' of modems instead of just speeds. For example you might list a port as being an X38400 class as well as another entry that specified N38400, and the different entries could link to different dialer scripts regardless of whether you had two different devices or not, so by selecting a particular class you can initialize the modem as needed for the connection. > Throw in the fact that there isn't just one standard format >for these (I believe pre-HDB UUCP used a different format; I've >never used Taylor UUCP so I can't say if it does or not) and it >gets more difficult to fish this stuff out. HDB is the only version that provides enough information to be usable for anything but the simplest situations (and Taylor is able to use the HDB files as well as its own variation). Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 28 01:38:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 02:52:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19896 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 02:52:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scrambled Characters in Telnet Session Message-Id: <1995Jun28.073803.54848@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Jun 95 07:38:03 MDT References: <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <1995Jun22.212304.54526@cc.usu.edu> <1995Jun26.173752.6036@tron.bwi.wec.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 87 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun26.173752.6036@tron.bwi.wec.com>, hendri1@ibm.net (Stan Hendrix) writes: > In article <1995Jun22.212304.54526@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >> >>In article <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, hendri1@ibm.net (Stan Hendrix) writes: >>> I get scrambled characters after hitting return key whenever I telnet to coin.missouri.edu. >>> I have tried several different terminal types - vt100, vt220, ansi - as well as >>> various NEWLINE-MODE settings. Nothing works. >>--------- >> Haven't the vaguest. Coin.missouri.edu isn't in a nameserver that >>I tried. > It is also known as bigcat.missouri.edu > >> a) What Kermit and version number > MS-DOS, v3.14 >> b) What terminal type the host is using > Not sure. When you get to the government access center the default terminal is VT100 > >> c) What those scrambled characters look like (because I can't >>reproduce a connection from my place) > When I hit the enter key I get strings of characters that look like this: > ][^235[]. Or perhaps like this? <<< Main Menu >>> 1 About COIN, Registration, and Help Desk 2 Post Office (E-mail and File Management) 3 School House 4 Library Center 5 Government Center 6 College, University, and Extension Center 7 Community and Social Services Center 8 Public Square 9 News Stand 10 Reference and Information Center 11 Internet Services 12 COIN will be down for one week of maintenance starting July 10 --------------------------------------------------------------- p = Previous Menu x = Exit COIN "go help" = extended help m = Main Menu h = Help Your Choice ==> ^[[?63;1;2;4;6;8;9;15;22c The ^[[?63 etc text above is exactly as shown, that's a caret and so on. The string is from Kermit, and it is the response to a "CSI c" (aka ESC [ c) terminal identification request from the host. The remote software is mistakenly echoing the response, and while so doing it is translating the response ESC into printable pair ^[. Now let's look a step deeper. I've omitted some escape sequences preceeding the text above. ESC HESC J ESC K <<< Main Menu >>> ESC K ESC K 1 About COIN, Registration, and Help Desk ESC K 2 Post Office (E-mail and File Management) etc ESC K m = Main Menu h = Help ESC K ESC KESC Y6 ESC KYour Choice ==> ^[[?63;1;2;4;6;8;9;15;22c Here I've replaced literal Escape (\27) with "ESC " for visibility in mail. These are VT52 commands, not VT100 level or above. The host also echoes lots of control codes etc. The appearance is some VT52 style BBS menu grafted onto a Sun Unix system. All told, it's a bit peculiar. If you say SET TERM VT52 to MS-DOS Kermit then the results should be nicer. Joe D. > I have to delete them with the backspace key to get back to the cursor. >> d) Whether you said SET DISPLAY 8-BIT or similar > I am using the Kermit defaults. > >> e) Whether coin is an ASCII or EBCDIC machine (and what kind of >>machine would be useful to know as well) > I don't know but the first thing you see is "SUN UNIX OS" then a login prompt. > You login as GUEST without a password. >> >> Joe D. > As I said I use C-Kermit for OS/2 on my home machine and login to COIN as a > VT220 terminal > using the C-Kermit defaults and I don't have this problem. I am using the MS-DOS Kermit at > work over a LANMAN/WFWG Winsock TCP/IP network. > > Thank for your help. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 26 13:53:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14099 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 04:55:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 04:55:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen.com!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Ckermit for Unix and VTKeys Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:53:09 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995Jun15.035925.13393@mercury.ncat.edu> <3rutue$cum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3rutue$cum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >that actually *do* have a keyboard and screen, it would seem to make sense >that Kermit should be able to see all the keys. > >Unfortunately, this is not the case. Most varieties of UNIX do not let >the application see the keyboard. There is no kernel function called "get >keyboard scan code". There is only read(), and read() reads a character, There is more available. Try "man curses" and take it from there. BTW I'm still waiting for a response to my repeated challenges for an honest, public rerun of the Columbia Unversity Kermit News "True-Life Benchmarks". Why keep stonewalling? -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 27 19:12:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:57:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14441 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:57:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Steve Harville <76163.3553@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: set line failing - O/S error? Date: 27 Jun 1995 19:12:59 GMT Organization: Stemco Inc. Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3spl7r$a9m$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using c-kermit 5a (189) on DGUX 5.4r3.10. I have two modems connected. I use the set line command and check for failure. If one of the modems is turned off, everything works ok. The script checks for failure and tries the other line. But if someone else has dialed in on that line, I get this : C-Kermit>set line /dev/tty13 /dev/tty13: Permission denied Sorry, access to device denied: /dev/tty13. Kermit does not see this as a failure and the script will not check the other line. How can I get a script to see this error? -- Steve Harville Stemco Inc. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 28 04:38:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:16:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:16:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!metro.atlanta.com!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 27 Jun 1995 23:38:27 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3sqmc3$j76@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sma6k$srb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3snesa$6eo@Mars.mcs.com> <3sp0m6$rl6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:99885 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3073 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sp0m6$rl6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >It has always been possible to write dialing scripts for C-Kermit, >exactly as we do for MS-DOS Kermit. C-Kermit also has a built-in >dialer. If you don't like it and would rather use scripts, you can even >remove the built-in dialer by building C-Kermit with -DNODIAL. Yes, I've always done it that way, partly because my modems usually didn't quite work with the built-in's and partly because I like to see what's happening when things go wrong. Before you added the minput script command there might have been some reason to use the built in version because it can bail out early on BUSY or NO CARRIER responses instead of timing out, but now that is fixed. The main reason for bringing up the issue in addition to wanting a table form for the devices/dialer descriptions is that my experience indicates that the effort of improving the script language is more valuable than imbedded dialers. >: It is still moderately expensive to put an extra analog phone line >: in everyone's office along with their digital multi-line sets that >: don't work with modems, plus buying everyone their own modem. >: >True, but those digital phone sets, and the PBXs behind them, cost >truckloads of money already. I know, we have one here :-). Organizations >that buy them are *supposed* to include provisions for dialin, dialout, fax, >and answering machine service (ha ha). Well there are even fewer people who understand phone systems and how they should be set up than computer systems. When the PBX salespeople take someone from your organization out to dinner is it the person who knows this stuff or the person who signs the checks? In our case we have a nice rack of pooled modems built right into the PBX and accessable from the digital side. The trouble is, it has never been possible to upgrade them to go faster than 1200 baud so they are never used... >Sigh, it's always something. Well, we are well aware of the need for >"Winsock compliance", and I hope we will have an interesting announcement >in this area some time soon (weeks or months, not years). Great! Like it or not, winsock seems to be the transport of choice these days. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 13:02:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:02:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:02:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ckermit for Unix and VTKeys Date: 29 Jun 1995 13:02:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3su89j$im5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jun15.035925.13393@mercury.ncat.edu> <3rutue$cum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >In article <3rutue$cum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >>that actually *do* have a keyboard and screen, it would seem to make sense >>that Kermit should be able to see all the keys. >> >>Unfortunately, this is not the case. Most varieties of UNIX do not let >>the application see the keyboard. There is no kernel function called "get >>keyboard scan code". There is only read(), and read() reads a character, > >There is more available. Try "man curses" and take it from there. > No, that's not it. Users want to map, say, Ctrl-Alt-Shift-F7 to something. Curses isn't going to tell you that the user pressed Ctrl-Alt-Shift-F7. It doesn't even know what kind of keyboard you have. >BTW I'm still waiting for a response to my repeated challenges >for an honest, public rerun of the Columbia Unversity Kermit >News "True-Life Benchmarks". Why keep stonewalling? > We had this discussion and fully aired our respective views a year ago in comp.dcom.modems, at such great length and detail that when there was finally nothing more to say and the discussion died down, a great sigh of relief went up from the entire network. Nobody stonewalled. It's all in writing, and neither one of us needs to waste another year rehashing it all over over again, nor do our gentle readers need to suffer through it. By the way, a new perspective on the Zmodem-vs-Kermit controversy can be found in Tim Kienzle's new book, "The Working Programmer's Guide to Serial Protocols". In it, he compares various aspects of the Kermit and Zmodem protocols in a fair and impartial way. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 13:05:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:05:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:05:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set line failing - O/S error? Date: 29 Jun 1995 13:05:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3su8ef$j0f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3spl7r$a9m$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3spl7r$a9m$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>, Steve Harville <76163.3553@CompuServe.COM> wrote: : I am using c-kermit 5a (189) on DGUX 5.4r3.10. : I have two modems connected. I use the set line command and check : for failure. If one of the modems is turned off, everything works : ok. The script checks for failure and tries the other line. : But if someone else has dialed in on that line, I get this : : : C-Kermit>set line /dev/tty13 : /dev/tty13: Permission denied : Sorry, access to device denied: /dev/tty13. : : Kermit does not see this as a failure and the script will not : check the other line. How can I get a script to see this error? : Try C-Kermit 5A(190). It's always better to use current versions than old versions. One of the reasons for new releases of software is to fix bugs in previous releases. If you continue to have trouble with 5A(190), send email directly to kermit@columbia.edu with the details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 01:11:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:17:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00968 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:17:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Configurable APC checking in next MSK release? Message-Id: <1995Jun29.071144.54932@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Jun 95 07:11:44 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > I've written a script to automate an exchange of files between my Unix > account (running C-Kermit 5A(190)) and my PC (running Kermite 3.14 PL > 6). It seemed best to run it on the Unix side (since it will be > launched along with C-Kermit from a shell script), and control the PC > Kermit with APC commands. To make the script work, I also needed to > write a small macro for the PC side (to be launched with an APC > command) that would check for a file, and tell the C-Kermit script > whether it exists or not. This would not work until I set APC > unchecked on the PC Kermit, because apparently the output command is > not considered safe to use in a script or macro that is invoked with an > APC command. I don't really like running Kermit on my PC with APC > unchecked, but I don't know of any other way this little macro can tell > the C-Kermit script whether or not the file exists without use of > output commands. > > For the next release of MS-Kermit, would it be feasible to make it > possible for the user to define a list of safe (or unsafe) commands for > APC checking, perhaps to work in a way similar to setting control > character prefixing? > > Thanks in advance for your consideration, > > Jeff ------------- The reason OUTPUT is on the dangerous list is this. Something on the host sends APC OUTPUT \26DEL *.* ST to your desktop machine. That's includes a form of nasty mail trouble (^Z to suspend currrent process, start removing files). I'm not sure we want to itemize commands which are dangerous because it is a bulky operation in the program and it adds to the doc complexity (must now explain how each candidate can be abused remotely etc). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 14:09:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:59:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:59:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!columba.udac.uu.se!news.mdh.se!news.seinf.abb.se!eua.ericsson.se!usenet From: etoel@eto_syfilix.etobi.eua.ericsson.se (Erik Larsen 42648) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Filename translation Date: 29 Jun 1995 14:09:35 GMT Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-Id: Reply-To: etoel@etobi.eua.ericsson.se Nntp-Posting-Host: eto_syfilix.etobi.eua.ericsson.se Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How can I convince C-Kermit that the name emacs-19.12.tar.gz is OK and should not be translated into emacs-19c12ctarxgz? This is a unix-unix transfer (I know that ms-dos needs 8.3 names). Thanks /Erik -- (__) (oo) /---------\/ Regards / | x=a(b)|| * ||------|| Erik Larsen ^^ ^^ Mathematical Cow (developer of cow-culus) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik Larsen Ericsson AS E-Mail: etoel@etobi.eua.ericsson.se ETO/X/DB Tel: +47 66 842648 Olav Brunborgs vei 6 Fax: +47 66 842606 P.O. Box 34 Memo: etoel N-1361 BILLINGSTAD, NORWAY ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 19:00:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:00:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:00:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Filename translation Date: 29 Jun 1995 19:00:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3sut89$i75@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Larsen 42648 wrote: >How can I convince C-Kermit that the name emacs-19.12.tar.gz is OK and >should not be translated into emacs-19c12ctarxgz? SET FILE NAMES LITERAL also see SET {SEND,RECIEVE} PATHNAMES. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 16:41:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:16:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:16:12 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Configurable APC checking in next MSK release? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950520BETA PL0] References: <1995Jun29.071144.54932@cc.usu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 16:41:56 GMT Lines: 54 Sender: jhurwit@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks to both Frank and Joe for your comments. In article <1995Jun29.071144.54932@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > The reason OUTPUT is on the dangerous list is this. Something >on the host sends APC OUTPUT \26DEL *.* ST to your desktop machine. That's >includes a form of nasty mail trouble (^Z to suspend currrent process, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >start removing files). Hmmm, I see your point. I can see some visciousness on the part of someone (similar to ANSI bombs, right? Someone would have to know that I'm using Kermit), but I'm not familiar with the kinds of system vagarities that would accidently trigger an unwanted APC command that would in turn cause damage on the host account. I'll take your word for it! > I'm not sure we want to itemize commands which are dangerous >because it is a bulky operation in the program and it adds to the doc >complexity (must now explain how each candidate can be abused remotely >etc). I didn't know it would bloat the program that much. Having only recently stepped up from an 8088 portable with no hard drive, I really appreciate your continuing to support antiquated equipment with minimal resources! Ok, then let me try this suggestion: Currently, MSK will ignore a 'set apc unchecked' command in a script or macro if it was invoked with an APC command. How about reversing this so that MSK will recognize and act on that command? What I envision is placing a 'set apc unchecked' just before a dangerous command, and 'set apc on' just after. This way, the window of opportunity for a system burp setting off an unwanted command would be small, and an "APC bomb" in an e-mail message could do nothing at all without knowing the name of the script or macro. In fact, better yet, how about an "unchecked' command, to be used only in scripts or macros? Placed just before the dangerous command (eg. 'uncheked output xxxx'), it could disable APC checking just for the duration of that command, and reestablish it immediately afterward. For the docs, you could simply list out the commands which are checked, following a brief and general discussion of the reasons for checking them. More than that would not be necessary if the user has the option of an 'unchecked' command. How does this sound? Would it add too much to the size and complexity of MSK? I think it could provide a good balance between safety and flexibility if properly used. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 02:38:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:25:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:25:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is lowest form of DOS for Kermit 3.12 Message-Id: <1995Jun29.083809.54934@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Jun 95 08:38:09 MDT References: <25JUN95.18081619@enh.nist.gov> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <25JUN95.18081619@enh.nist.gov>, reflib@enh.nist.gov writes: > Does anybody know what is the lowest form of DOS which is compatible > with MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 [Sept 1992 Patch level 0, if that matters]? > > Do later Kermit releases require correspondingly higher levels of DOS? > > I'd like to find an answer before I give a one-hour introduction to > Internet tomorrow afternoon (EDT Monday 26 June) if possible. > > Thanks. > > reflib@enh.nist.gov ------------ Normally DOS 2.0. DOS 3.30 has fancier file information. But why bother with the ancient DOS'? Btw, the current release of MSK is version 3.14. Please do refer to that issue rather than material three years old. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 12:48:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 20:32:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Jun 1995 20:32:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!lamarck.sura.net!gozer.inri.com!gozer.inri.com!not-for-mail From: mrp@inri.com (Marion R. Proctor III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Doing connect in a script Date: 29 Jun 1995 08:48:12 -0400 Organization: Inter-National Research Institute Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3su7ec$nmh@gozer.inri.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer.inri.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I can't seem to connect to a remote site (network) using a script. Whenever I issue the CONNECT command, I just lose focus to telnet or whatever is getting called. How do I keep focus so I can give it the login, password, and start kermit? Here's what I have: set network tcp/ip set host [host] connect output [login] output [password] output kermit BTW, this is C-Kermit. Thanks for any help. -Randy -- *--------------------------*--------------------------------------* | Randy Proctor | Misspellers of the world, UNTIE! | | INRI (rproctor@inri.com) | http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~mrp3j | *--------------------------*--------------------------------------* From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 15:40:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 00:01:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 00:01:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Reissued Date: 29 Jun 1995 15:40:28 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3suhhc$786@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <3sekke$kp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: % This is to announce a minor reissue of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM % PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows. % The three EXE files (full, medium, "Lite") are identical to the original % January 18th version, except that a problem with TCP/IP Address Resolution % Protocol (ARP) is fixed (this fix could not be accomplished as a patch) % and the internal date (visible from the VERSION command) is changed to % May 21. Fingers crossed, this may have fixed a problem some users here (me included) have been having with telnet sessions apparently hanging up or disconnecting. Thanks for the fix, Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk For PGP Public Key: finger leilabd@solx1.central.susx.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 06:37:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 04:57:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02375 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 04:57:02 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!cs932070 From: cs932070@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) Subject: OS/2 Kermit and Japanese Message-Id: Sender: trajano@otter.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 06:37:06 GMT Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was wondering what I have to do to make Kermit for OS/2 support ISO-2022-JP -- Archimedes Luy Tan Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ http://yucc.yorku.ca/home/trajano _/ _/ _/ _/ York University cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/_/_/ _/ _/ Dept. of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 29 22:52:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 09:03:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 09:03:43 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!bhuber From: bhuber@netcom.com (Bud Huber) Subject: network connectivity Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 22:52:48 GMT Lines: 18 Sender: bhuber@netcom6.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been using Kermit (current version now is 3.14) for many years to access various hosts around the country using dial-up modems. No problems there. Recently at work I've been faced with needing access to network hosts, doing Telnet and TN3270 type stuff. After reading the book (yes, Frank and Joe, I have tried to do this the "right" way), and all of the on-line documentation that comes packed in the software, I cannot figure out how to have Kermit use the network card in my PC (its an Intel ethernet card) to connect to a host. I've printed out every file in the \KERMIT and all subordinate directories that contains ASCII printable text -- lots of info and details, but no big picture discussion. HELP! Bud -- -------------------- Bud Huber <72130.1217@compuserve.com> or . PGP 2.7.1 public key available on request. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 30 18:53:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:54:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25402 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:54:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,fj.kermit Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit and Japanese Date: 30 Jun 1995 18:53:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3t1h83$op7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3085 comp.os.os2.apps:88718 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO wrote: >I was wondering what I have to do to make Kermit for OS/2 support >ISO-2022-JP. > Write the supporting code? OS/2 C-Kermit does not yet support Japanese Kanji. Although we know how to translate among the various Kanji character sets, and do so in the file transfer process -- and, in MS-DOS Kermit, also during terminal emulation -- we do not have sufficient information or expertise to do this for OS/2. Anybody who would like to help out is most welcome to send e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 30 18:59:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09508 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:00:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:00:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: network connectivity Date: 30 Jun 1995 18:59:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3t1hj9$p8o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bud Huber wrote: : I've been using Kermit (current version now is 3.14) for many years to : access various hosts around the country using dial-up modems. No problems : there. Recently at work I've been faced with needing access to network : hosts, doing Telnet and TN3270 type stuff. After reading the book (yes, : Frank and Joe, I have tried to do this the "right" way), and all of the : on-line documentation that comes packed in the software, I cannot figure : out how to have Kermit use the network card in my PC (its an Intel : ethernet card) to connect to a host. I've printed out every file in the : \KERMIT and all subordinate directories that contains ASCII printable text : -- lots of info and details, but no big picture discussion. : Hi Bud. Very quick answers: 1. Kermit does not do tn3270 itself. Hopefully this will change, but for now you need to go through an external 3270 emulator or protocol converter or tn3270 program, e.g. telnet from Kermit to UNIX or a Cisco, tn3270 from there. 2. I really, really hope that network setup would be fairly clear from the NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC file on the V3.14 diskette / ZIP file. If it isn't, please send specific questions / problems to kermit@columbia.edu. It really tries to start with the big picture first, and then devolves into the details and different scenarios. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 30 14:44:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 18:34:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Jun 1995 18:34:19 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!wolf!trajano From: "Archimedes L. Trajano" Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit and Japanese In-Reply-To: <199506301425.AA21571@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> X-Sender: trajano@wolf Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Department of Computer Science References: <199506301425.AA21571@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:44:18 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > First you would need a copy of OS/2 Japanese edition. > Then we would need to rewrite C-Kermit to support DBCS. > In other words, sorry, but you can't. Even if I have OS/2 (Japanese Edition)? ==== __ /= /==__ _________________________________________________________/ === /= /= /==== /=== Archimedes Luy Tan Trajano = York University == == __ /= /==== /=== (trajano@cs.yorku.ca) = Dept. Of Comp. Sci. === =__/=__/=_____/=__/=== http://yucc.yorku.ca/~trajano = North York, Ontario ==== From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 30 11:53:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 05:57:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08293 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 05:57:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:53:12 EDT From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <95181.155312HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: network connectivity References: <3t1hj9$p8o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu An example of using MS-Kermit 3.14 to telnet using an NE2000 compatible ethernet card with it's own (on diskette that comes with most every ethernet card) packet driver (FTP Packet Driver specification) follows: @Echo off REM Begin KERMTCP.BAT REM DOS Batch file to use to show use of MS-Kermit 3.14 with TCP/IP REM running over 'class 1' device using a (e.g.,CRYNWR) packet driver. Rem Invoke your Packet Driver here; your card needs to be configured Rem for an "card interrupt number" and "I/O Address". Rem (usually by a software program that comes on the diskette that Rem came with the card). Read docs on ethernet card diskette. Rem Following is CRYNWR (free) packet driver specifications. Rem usage: ne2000 packet_int_no [int_no [io_addr]] ne2000 0x61 0x10 0x300 Rem Hostname is argumen to this .BAT file. set host=%1 if "%1" == "" set host=LIBRARY.PSU.EDU kermit -f kermtcp.ini, Do telnet %host%, stay set host= REM End KERMTCP.BAT ; KERMTCP.INI ; Note: TCP/IP support began with MSKERMIT 3.11. So code here works ; for MSK 3.11 thru 3.14. ; HDK - 3/3/90 patch ; install patch file, MSR314.PCH, in this case. ; You may wish to run a script here which maps keyboard. E.g. take vt300.ini def telnet SET TCP/IP HOST \%1, SET PORT TCP/IP, connect, stay SET TERM VT220 ; This normally wouldn't be needed as VT320 usually works well. SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 128.118.50.xx ; This is your PC's IP address. SET TCP/IP GATEWAY 128.118.50.1 ; This is the companion Router/Gateway SET TCP/IP PRIMARY-NAMESERVER 128.118.58.11 ; Wilbur.cac.psu.edu SET TCP/IP SECONDARY-NAMESERVER 128.118.25.3 ; OTC.psu.edu SET TCP/IP DOMAIN PSU.EDU ; We Are PSU SET TCP/IP SUBNETMASK 255.255.255.0 ; 8-bit addresses. ; NOTE: Kermit does Telnet but not TN3270. SET DISPLAY 8 ; SET TERMINAL COLOR 0, 37, 44 ; This is ok even if you don't have color. Rem Some apps on some hosts mess up the screen something fierce. This Rem allows Alt-G to reset everything connected with that. DEF RSet RUN MODE CO80, c ; Alt-G resets: Kermit VTxxx Emulator (Kreset), DOS screen Mode, SET KEY \2338 {\{Kreset}\{KRSet}} ; Alt-G resets it all. SET KEY \5493 \Kdump ; Ctrl-Gray End is (also) screen image dump. DEF DISC hangup, run cls, q ; Hangup for TCP/IP prevents exit prompt. SET KEY \2327 {\KDisc} ; Alt-I=Immediate disconnect(hangup) & MS-Kermit exit. ; End of KERMTCP.INI From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 1 12:54:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:01:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:01:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,fj.kermit Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit and Japanese Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,fj.kermit Date: 1 Jul 1995 12:54:31 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3t3gi7$8k@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <3t1h83$op7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3089 comp.os.os2.apps:88799 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article , : ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO wrote: : >I was wondering what I have to do to make Kermit for OS/2 support : >ISO-2022-JP. : Write the supporting code? : OS/2 C-Kermit does not yet support Japanese Kanji. Although we : know how to translate among the various Kanji character sets, and : do so in the file transfer process -- and, in MS-DOS Kermit, also : during terminal emulation -- we do not have sufficient information : or expertise to do this for OS/2. : Anybody who would like to help out is most welcome to send e-mail : to kermit@columbia.edu. Perhaps I'm naive, but putting Japanese on the screen should be no more than a question of making the proper system call for a screen write.... As an interim measure, you can do what I do: make a "DOS/V" boot disk and use the OS/2 "dos from drive a" option to start a Japanese session. Then, run kermit 3.14 in this dos session. I do this regularly to access the Nikkei telecom data base (bastardized old jis). The only problem I've noticed is that OS/2 has a bit of trouble handling 38,400 baud with Japanese. The specific "DOS/V" that I use is IBM PC-DOS/V 6.3 but most other variants should work. I'll be off to Japan sometime in late July (I hope). I'll try to pick up the appropriate docs then. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 1 13:09:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:11:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:11:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ckermit for Unix and VTKeys Date: 1 Jul 1995 13:09:25 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 48 Message-Id: <3t3he5$8k@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <1995Jun15.035925.13393@mercury.ncat.edu> <3rutue$cum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3su89j$im5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: : >In article <3rutue$cum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : >Frank da Cruz wrote: : >>that actually *do* have a keyboard and screen, it would seem to make sense : >>that Kermit should be able to see all the keys. : >>Unfortunately, this is not the case. Most varieties of UNIX do not let : >>the application see the keyboard. There is no kernel function called "get : >>keyboard scan code". There is only read(), and read() reads a character, : > : >There is more available. Try "man curses" and take it from there. : No, that's not it. Users want to map, say, Ctrl-Alt-Shift-F7 to something. : Curses isn't going to tell you that the user pressed Ctrl-Alt-Shift-F7. : It doesn't even know what kind of keyboard you have. I missed the beginning of this, so if I'm answering a question that was not asked.... With SCO UNIX, you can remap the keyboard both through system calls and various utility programmes, and you do have access to the scan codes if you want to mess around this way. Although I've not done it, I would imagine that you could write a kermit macro that would invoke the appropriate SCO utility to remap the keyboard much as mskermit does. SCO UNIX may have more of these capabilities because it was built as a UNIX for PeeCee (Intel) platforms.... SCO UNIX has explicit support for scancode terminals. : >BTW I'm still waiting for a response to my repeated challenges : >for an honest, public rerun of the Columbia Unversity Kermit : >News "True-Life Benchmarks". Why keep stonewalling? : > : We had this discussion and fully aired our respective views a year ago : in comp.dcom.modems, at such great length and detail that when there was : finally nothing more to say and the discussion died down, a great sigh : of relief went up from the entire network. Nobody stonewalled. It's all : in writing, and neither one of us needs to waste another year rehashing it : all over over again, nor do our gentle readers need to suffer through it. Amen (not Omen). -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 1 18:20:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 14:20:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 14:20:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,fj.kermit Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit and Japanese Date: 1 Jul 1995 18:20:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3t43m6$ft5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3t1h83$op7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3t3gi7$8k@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3091 comp.os.os2.apps:88846 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3t3gi7$8k@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, Earl H. Kinmonth wrote: :Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: :: In article , :: ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO wrote: :: >I was wondering what I have to do to make Kermit for OS/2 support :: >ISO-2022-JP. : :: Write the supporting code? : :: OS/2 C-Kermit does not yet support Japanese Kanji. Although we :: know how to translate among the various Kanji character sets, and :: do so in the file transfer process -- and, in MS-DOS Kermit, also :: during terminal emulation -- we do not have sufficient information :: or expertise to do this for OS/2. : :: Anybody who would like to help out is most welcome to send e-mail :: to kermit@columbia.edu. : :Perhaps I'm naive, but putting Japanese on the screen should be :no more than a question of making the proper system call for a :screen write.... : And installing all the hooks for translation among Shift JIS, JIS X 0208, EUC, DEC Kanji, Kanji-7, etc. But yes, this requires source code changes and testing. Currently we do not have the required tools nor a testbed. Ideally we would like to find an OS/2 C programmer who speaks and writes Japanese (and English :-). :As an interim measure, you can do what I do: make a "DOS/V" boot disk :and use the OS/2 "dos from drive a" option to start a Japanese session. :Then, run kermit 3.14 in this dos session. I do this regularly to :access the Nikkei telecom data base (bastardized old jis). The only :problem I've noticed is that OS/2 has a bit of trouble handling 38,400 :baud with Japanese. : Right - like I said, and as is explained in the latest Kermit News issue, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is fully Kanji capable. :The specific "DOS/V" that I use is IBM PC-DOS/V 6.3 but most :other variants should work. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 30 10:46:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17160 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 16:07:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Jul 1995 16:07:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!sangam!rdc.ernet.in!shuvam From: shuvam@rdc.ernet.in (Shuvam Misra) Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Message-Id: Organization: Ravi Database Consultants Private Limited, Bombay, India Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 10:46:31 GMT References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com> <3sma6k$srb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Followup-To: comp.dcom.modems Lines: 67 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:100264 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3092 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3sma6k$srb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <3sl921$29m@Mercury.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >>In article <3shhv6$6r9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >>Frank da Cruz wrote: > >>The Devices and Dialers files in HDB uucp provide a general solution >>to these questions. Rather than re-invent that solution or provide >>less general hard-coded knowledge of specific devices ... [deleted] > >But aren't we moving away from the timesharing world, where a bunch of >users on the same machine are competing for the same pool of dialout >ports. An increasing proportion of C-Kermit users has total control of >the computer they are using. Quite true, but the other class of users is still quite large. There must be -- thousands? tens of thousands? -- of shared modems out there in educational institutions and small organizations? In my company of less than ten people, we have two modems which all of us access. I guess this is not yet very uncommon. Moreover, the issue doesn't stop there, as I'll explain in the next few paras.. Since we cannot use the table-driven approach, it is impossible to use a common configuration file, e.g. a sort of /etc/modemcap. Even if there are only ten thousand sysadms managing shared modems all over the world, it's not easy for them to use each other's work, unless they can just add to a growing config file which can be exchanged and refined freely. To do this, of course, we need to finalise on the file format first. I was going through the config info required by FlexFax. The kind of details it needs is enormous. If all that could be put into a globally standardized file format, all modem-related programs could use it. Basically, I look at the modem config problem in a more generalised way. You were talking about the problem of one sysadmin managing a pool of shared modems on one machine. Such a person will have to inform only her own set of users. This problem disappears in the single-user world where each person configures his or her own modem. But the overall problem remains; why can't all my modem programs and all your modem programs on all your operating systems use a common /etc/modemcap? Ideally, I'd like to configure my ZyXEL modem after a lot of trouble, and just write the config info in a sort of globally understood syntax, and everyone else could use it. I think this could even be OS-independent. An ASCII file, together with its access library in C, can be ported to any OS. I am sure there are serial-port-related issues which are OS-dependent, but I suspect even a lot of that could be parameterized. There is nothing very original about my idea; I believe that if /etc/termcap can work, why not /etc/modemcap? In such a file, there would be one entry for a modem type called "_DEFAULT_" or some such. All modem definitions would need to specify only the departure from this default. This _DEFAULT_ would define a simple Hayes-compatible modem. And modem definitions would be organized in heirarchies, like in /etc/termcap. Sort of "base class" and "derived classes". I guess more than 90% of config info for ZyXEL models will be in one "base class" for ZyXEL modems, with small derivatives for each specific model... And in my ideal world, modem manufacturers will supply /etc/modemcap entries to customers... Hope to have the (gaping?) holes in my scheme shot down.. :) Shuvam -- -- shuvam misra ------------------------------- shuvam@rdc.ernet.in -- -- systems administrator -------------------------- +91 22 284 4904 -- ----------------------------------------------- fax +91 22 282 8969 -- ----------- "Linux: the choice of a GNU generation" ------------------ From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 30 11:18:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13355 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 06:01:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27239 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 06:01:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Configurable APC checking in next MSK release? Message-Id: <1995Jun30.171856.55074@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Jun 95 17:18:56 MDT References: <1995Jun29.071144.54932@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 63 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > Thanks to both Frank and Joe for your comments. > > In article <1995Jun29.071144.54932@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > >> The reason OUTPUT is on the dangerous list is this. Something >>on the host sends APC OUTPUT \26DEL *.* ST to your desktop machine. That's >>includes a form of nasty mail trouble (^Z to suspend currrent process, > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>start removing files). > > Hmmm, I see your point. I can see some visciousness on the part of > someone (similar to ANSI bombs, right? Someone would have to know > that I'm using Kermit), but I'm not familiar with the kinds of > system vagarities that would accidently trigger an unwanted APC > command that would in turn cause damage on the host account. I'll > take your word for it! > >> I'm not sure we want to itemize commands which are dangerous >>because it is a bulky operation in the program and it adds to the doc >>complexity (must now explain how each candidate can be abused remotely >>etc). > > I didn't know it would bloat the program that much. Having only > recently stepped up from an 8088 portable with no hard drive, I > really appreciate your continuing to support antiquated equipment > with minimal resources! > > Ok, then let me try this suggestion: Currently, MSK will ignore a > 'set apc unchecked' command in a script or macro if it was invoked > with an APC command. How about reversing this so that MSK will > recognize and act on that command? What I envision is placing a > 'set apc unchecked' just before a dangerous command, and 'set apc > on' just after. This way, the window of opportunity for a system > burp setting off an unwanted command would be small, and an "APC > bomb" in an e-mail message could do nothing at all without knowing > the name of the script or macro. > > In fact, better yet, how about an "unchecked' command, to be used > only in scripts or macros? Placed just before the dangerous > command (eg. 'uncheked output xxxx'), it could disable APC checking > just for the duration of that command, and reestablish it > immediately afterward. > > For the docs, you could simply list out the commands which are > checked, following a brief and general discussion of the reasons > for checking them. More than that would not be necessary if the > user has the option of an 'unchecked' command. > > How does this sound? Would it add too much to the size and > complexity of MSK? I think it could provide a good balance between > safety and flexibility if properly used. > > Jeff --------- Well, er, a little confusing today, but I think I have your point. That point is let the APC command text contain a SET APC UNCHECKED string. Is that right? If so then there is no point to having checking at all; someone can do whatever they wish to your machine just by sticking such APC command material (with the APC ST control codes too) in anything you display via Connect mode. Mail will do nicely. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 30 16:24:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 07:24:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 07:24:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: network connectivity Message-Id: <1995Jun30.222454.55092@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Jun 95 22:24:54 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , bhuber@netcom.com (Bud Huber) writes: > I've been using Kermit (current version now is 3.14) for many years to > access various hosts around the country using dial-up modems. No problems > there. Recently at work I've been faced with needing access to network > hosts, doing Telnet and TN3270 type stuff. After reading the book (yes, > Frank and Joe, I have tried to do this the "right" way), and all of the Much appreciated. > on-line documentation that comes packed in the software, I cannot figure > out how to have Kermit use the network card in my PC (its an Intel > ethernet card) to connect to a host. I've printed out every file in the > \KERMIT and all subordinate directories that contains ASCII printable text > -- lots of info and details, but no big picture discussion. ----------------- Try the networks subdirectory of the Kermit distribution material, file SETUP.DOC, which starts off like this: File NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC January 1995 SETTING UP YOUR PC FOR MS-DOS KERMIT NETWORKING Applies to: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Authors: Joe R. Doupnik, Utah State University Frank da Cruz, Columbia University Last updated: Wed May 31 09:45:25 1995 ABSTRACT Applying mainly to TCP/IP, but with some discussion of STARLAN, etc, this file concentrates on the low-level network configuration of your PC, network board interface standards, drivers and shims, Windows, memory management, TCP/IP configuration, and how to get MS-DOS Kermit working on your network. CHAPTER 0. GENERAL PRINCIPLES Current release material is in kermit/msdos on kermit.columbia.edu, look for package deal binary file msvibm.zip. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 2 15:42:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 11:50:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 11:50:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU!s9203257 From: s9203257@bf.rmit.edu.au (Ming CHEW) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: H: Dlding binary files with kermit Date: 2 Jul 1995 15:42:38 GMT Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3t6epe$e39@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: otto.bf.rmit.edu.au Nntp-Posting-User: s9203257 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hi, please do not flame, i would like to know how to download files - binary using kermit ver 5a (189) -30 june 1994 for the sun os (BSD) i have tried looking for the man files and comp. answers newsgroup for the faq but cannot locate please help... reply bia email pls : s9203257@otto.bf.rmit.edu.au ming include std. disclaimer From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 2 16:56:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15563 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 23:13:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Jul 1995 23:13:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!janus.cqu.edu.au!topaz.cqu.edu.au!naderr From: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ckermit script question. Date: 3 Jul 95 02:56:09 +1000 Organization: Central Queensland University, Australia Lines: 24 Message-Id: <1995Jul3.025609@topaz> Nntp-Posting-Host: topaz.cqu.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, there's a couple of things i'd like to know how to do in a kermit script file ( if possible ): (1) the notation \%g LABEL jumps to a label defined _below_ in the script; is it possible to jump above like: \%G LOOP so that it loops? (2) is there a way to call the '^\c' ctrl-\C from winthin a script? TIA, -- Cheers, Rob. /*------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Anthony Nader naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au rob@fantale.cbr.fidonet.org roberto@tecma1.ctima.uma.es --------------------------------------------------------------------*/ From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 2 01:39:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 00:07:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 00:07:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Santiago Albanese <75030.2743@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ascii file transfers Date: 2 Jul 1995 01:39:26 GMT Organization: via CompuServe Information Service Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3t4tce$oa1$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello : Does anyone know where I can find a reliable kermit program ( macro ) to do unattended ascii file captures ? Be that a program that dials another comp. , login and capture some text then hang up . I bougth the C-kermit book but it leaves this endeavor as an exercise . Thanks in advance , Chago From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 3 07:37:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25544 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 03:42:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07826 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 03:42:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!janus.cqu.edu.au!topaz.cqu.edu.au!naderr From: naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: help with lockup/hangup when scrolling Date: 3 Jul 95 17:37:05 +1000 Organization: Central Queensland University, Australia Lines: 51 Message-Id: <1995Jul3.173705@topaz> Nntp-Posting-Host: topaz.cqu.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have the following problem when using kermit as my dial in comms program: when I ftp somewhere ( from the remote host ) and I do a 'dir' or 'ls -s' on a directry that has many files it scrolls about a page or so and then locks up and hangs up. Any ideas, suggestions? TIA, here is the output of my local 'show': Terminal bits: 7, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: xon/xoff, handshake: none Carrier: auto, lockfile: /usr/spool/uucp/LCK..cua3 Escape character: 28 (^\) Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout (used= 7): 7 10 Server Timeout: 0 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 1 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 5 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 90 90 Maximum Length: 9024 9024 Window Size: 1 set, 0 used Buffer Size: 9065 9065 Locking-Shift: enabled, not used File parameters: Attributes: on Names: converted Type: text Packet Log: none Longest filename: 255 Collide: backup Session Log: none Longest pathname: 1024 Send Pathnames: on Receive Pathnames: on Display: fullscreen Transaction Log: none File Character-Set: US ASCII (7-bit) Byte Size: 8, Incomplete: keep, Init file: .kermrc [/root/@linuxbox//root/download] C-Kermit> -- Cheers, Rob. /*------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Anthony Nader naderr@topaz.cqu.edu.au rob@fantale.cbr.fidonet.org roberto@tecma1.ctima.uma.es --------------------------------------------------------------------*/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 3 15:14:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 11:14:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 11:14:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ascii file transfers Date: 3 Jul 1995 15:14:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3t91g0$dv2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3t4tce$oa1$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3t4tce$oa1$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Santiago Albanese <75030.2743@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Does anyone know where I can find a reliable kermit >program ( macro ) to do unattended ascii file captures ? Be that >a program that dials another comp. , login and capture some text >then hang up . I bougth the C-kermit book but it leaves this >endeavor as an exercise . > Then you have to buy the Answer Booklet :-) Seriously, it shouldn't be that hard to figure out. Run a connection-establishment and login script, such as the ones that *are* shown in the book, and also are included with C-Kermit in your services directory macros in the C-Kermit initialization file, and then: 1. Start a session log: "log session capture.txt". 2. OUTPUT the host command to display the desired file, e.g. "output type foo.txt\13". 3. INPUT the next system prompt, e.g. "input 60 \13\10$\32". 4. Close the session log: "close session". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 3 15:20:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 11:20:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 11:20:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help with lockup/hangup when scrolling Date: 3 Jul 1995 15:20:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3t91ra$ei9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jul3.173705@topaz> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul3.173705@topaz>, wrote: >when I ftp somewhere ( from the remote host ) and I do a 'dir' or 'ls -s' >on a directry that has many files it scrolls about a page or so and then >locks up and hangs up. > >here is the output of my local 'show': > > Terminal bits: 7, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: xon/xoff, handshake: none > Carrier: auto, lockfile: /usr/spool/uucp/LCK..cua3 > Escape character: 28 (^\) > >[/root/@linuxbox//root/download] C-Kermit> > You left out the most important info -- what kind of computer, what OS (evidently Linux on a PC?), what version of C-Kermit? Could it be that your host's FTP client has some kind of pager built in, similar to Unix "more"? I could list about 100 possible reasons for the behavior you are seeing, but that would be silly. Why don't you just: (a) Make sure you have an up-to-date version of C-Kermit, namely 5A(190). (b) Set it up correctly for your type of connection. For example, if you are using a high-speed error-correcting modem, then set Kermit and the modem for RTS/CTS flow control. (c) Consult the manual, "Using C-Kermit", which contains countless pages of info about serial communication and troubleshooting hints. (d) If the problem persists, send email to kermit@columbia.edu listing the details of the software version, connection type and parameters, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 3 18:25:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:54:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28113 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:54:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!demon!not-for-mail From: drf@spruce.demon.co.uk (Duncan Frazer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC Dos kermit - how can i log my calls? Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 18:25:58 GMT Lines: 16 Message-Id: <804795967.28297@imp.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: drf@spruce.demon.co.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: spruce.demon.co.uk X-Nntp-Posting-Host: spruce.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. Sorry if this a silly question, or if this is the wrong place to have posted this ..! I use 3.14 of kermit for dos as a simple comms package. Id like to be able to log all of my calls that i make using it. All i really need is a log showing each call with a date, start time, and duration (or all the information regarding hangups). If you can directly help me, or point me in the direction of document(s) which can explain how to do this (useful if you could include site/url names, path names, and file names), id me most grateful. Cheers Dunk PS. Please reply via email. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 3 19:56:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 15:56:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 15:56:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC Dos kermit - how can i log my calls? Date: 3 Jul 1995 19:56:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3t9i0p$22a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <804795967.28297@imp.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <804795967.28297@imp.demon.co.uk>, Duncan Frazer wrote: : Hi. Sorry if this a silly question, or if this is the wrong place to : have posted this ..! I use 3.14 of kermit for dos as a simple comms : package. Id like to be able to log all of my calls that i make using : it. All i really need is a log showing each call with a date, start : time, and duration (or all the information regarding hangups). If you : can directly help me, or point me in the direction of document(s) : which can explain how to do this (useful if you could include site/url : names, path names, and file names), id me most grateful. : MS-DOS Kermit doesn't do this on its own, and I don't know of anybody who has set it up to do this. Here is how I would do it, assuming I wanted one big log file. Modify the DIAL macro to "open append" your log file. If the file did not exist, this would create it. At the place where the DIAL macro decides that dialing was successful, write a record (using WRITE FILE) stating the phone number, date, and time and any other desired information. This can formatted nicely using the built-in string functions (like \frpad(), flpad(), etc) in version 3.14. In the event that you hang up the call a long time before you exit from Kermit, you should also define another macro, which you would have to run explicitly, to record the time of hangup in the log file, and then close the log file. For example: define myhangup - hangup, - write file Hangup at \v(time) \vdate()\13\10, - close write See "Using MS-DOS Kermit" for details about writing macros. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 3 10:29:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 18:48:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11987 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Jul 1995 18:48:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC Dos kermit - how can i log my calls? Message-Id: <1995Jul3.162925.55282@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Jul 95 16:29:25 MDT References: <804795967.28297@imp.demon.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <804795967.28297@imp.demon.co.uk>, drf@spruce.demon.co.uk (Duncan Frazer) writes: > Hi. Sorry if this a silly question, or if this is the wrong place to > have posted this ..! I use 3.14 of kermit for dos as a simple comms > package. Id like to be able to log all of my calls that i make using > it. All i really need is a log showing each call with a date, start > time, and duration (or all the information regarding hangups). If you > can directly help me, or point me in the direction of document(s) > which can explain how to do this (useful if you could include site/url > names, path names, and file names), id me most grateful. ------------- All this is very do-able with the Kermit scripting tools. To use them please do read the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (or, for C Kermit users, "Using C Kermit"). Book details are available in the HELP command. Look at the WRITE command and variables of the form \v(item). We provide the tools for users to create their own scripts to fit local needs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 04:09:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19808 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 00:10:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 00:10:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.bu.edu!cgl!cao From: cao@cgl.bu.edu (Chan Cao) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with Flow Control? Date: 4 Jul 1995 04:09:45 GMT Organization: Boston University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3taeu9$lh0@news.bu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cgl.bu.edu Summary: Sporter 14.4k with Flow Control Problems Keywords: Sporter, 14.4K, RTS/CTS, XON/XOFF, software, hardware, stty X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I hope someone would help me solve a little problem: My recently acquired USR Sporter 14.4k doesn't work properly with both a version of kermit I've been using and the latest one from Columbia. In both cases, I applied the script for Sporter modem as instructed. I've also tried different settings: rts/cts, xon/xoff, different speeds...etc-all without much luck. When I'm using the newsreader 'tin,' the arrow pointer would shows up many places at once on the same column. Keyboard scan codes for the arrow keys (^[[H, ^[[G) would also show up when I try to move the curror though different articles fast. Thank you for your help. CC From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 21:10:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 10:01:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 10:01:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!edi.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!yama.mcc.ac.uk!news.york.ac.uk!news From: cje2@york.ac.uk (chris elliott) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Reissued Date: Tue, 04 Jul 1995 21:10:37 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3tbek3$r5u@mailer.york.ac.uk> References: <3sekke$kp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3suhhc$786@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: biolpc68.york.ac.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I looked at the Hensa mirror of the kermit distribution: how can I tell if the new version is there without having to get the file, unpack it and look at the version date? chris >Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >% This is to announce a minor reissue of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM >% PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows. >% The three EXE files (full, medium, "Lite") are identical to the original >% January 18th version, except that a problem with TCP/IP Address Resolution >% Protocol (ARP) is fixed (this fix could not be accomplished as a patch) >% and the internal date (visible from the VERSION command) is changed to >% May 21. >Fingers crossed, this may have fixed a problem some users here (me >included) have been having with telnet sessions apparently hanging up >or disconnecting. I have certainly been losing telnet connections on 3.14 here with the packet drivers From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 14:07:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 11:01:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 11:01:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!cam.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!yama.mcc.ac.uk!news.york.ac.uk!biolpc68 From: cje2@york.ac.uk (chris elliott) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Reissued Date: Tue, 04 Jul 95 14:07:37 GMT Organization: Univ of York Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3tbhuv$t7p@mailer.york.ac.uk> References: <3sekke$kp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3suhhc$786@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: biolpc68.york.ac.uk X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have now looked in ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/msvibm.zip and the version command still says 18 jan Is this the correct place to look? chris In article <3suhhc$786@infa.central.susx.ac.uk>, leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) wrote: >Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > >% This is to announce a minor reissue of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM >% PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows. > >% The three EXE files (full, medium, "Lite") are identical to the original >% January 18th version, except that a problem with TCP/IP Address Resolution >% Protocol (ARP) is fixed (this fix could not be accomplished as a patch) >% and the internal date (visible from the VERSION command) is changed to >% May 21. > >Fingers crossed, this may have fixed a problem some users here (me >included) have been having with telnet sessions apparently hanging up >or disconnecting. > >Thanks for the fix, > >Leila From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 02:00:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18947 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 13:05:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 13:05:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Flow Control? Message-Id: <1995Jul4.080000.55331@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Jul 95 08:00:00 MDT References: <3taeu9$lh0@news.bu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3taeu9$lh0@news.bu.edu>, cao@cgl.bu.edu (Chan Cao) writes: > I hope someone would help me solve a little problem: > > My recently acquired USR Sporter 14.4k doesn't work > properly with both a version of kermit I've been using > and the latest one from Columbia. In both cases, > I applied the script for Sporter modem as instructed. > I've also tried different settings: rts/cts, xon/xoff, > different speeds...etc-all without much luck. > > When I'm using the newsreader 'tin,' the arrow pointer > would shows up many places at once on the same column. > Keyboard scan codes for the arrow keys (^[[H, ^[[G) > would also show up when I try to move the curror > though different articles fast. ------------ Those aren't "scan codes" for keys but rather the control sequences sent by the terminal emulator to the host to represent keys. If you see several characters starting with a caret (^) then that's generated by the remote host and echoed back to the local machine. It's not flow control, it's most likely a parity problem. You will have to match parity with what the remote side requires. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 18:17:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21626 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 14:17:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 14:17:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Flow Control? Date: 4 Jul 1995 18:17:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3tc0kg$k7d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3taeu9$lh0@news.bu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Sporter, 14.4K, RTS/CTS, XON/XOFF, software, hardware, stty Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3taeu9$lh0@news.bu.edu>, Chan Cao wrote: >My recently acquired USR Sporter 14.4k doesn't work >properly with both a version of kermit I've been using >and the latest one from Columbia. In both cases, >I applied the script for Sporter modem as instructed. >I've also tried different settings: rts/cts, xon/xoff, >different speeds...etc-all without much luck. > Maybe the new Sportster is an RPI (Rockwell Protocol Interface) model, which requires special software to be used properly. Without this software, you don't get error correction, data compression, local flow control, or speed buffering. Read the box carefully and make sure it doesn't say anything about RPI or "special software". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 17:20:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:25:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:25:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!io.org!torfree!freenet.toronto.on.ca!aw191 From: aw191@freenet.toronto.on.ca (Mick Reid) Subject: screen capture Message-Id: Sender: aw191@torfree.net (Mick Reid) Reply-To: aw191@freenet.toronto.on.ca (Mick Reid) Organization: Toronto Free-Net Inc., Toronto, Ontario, Canada Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:20:35 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I need some help using kermit. I am in a dos environment and I need to use a screen capture. Is it possible to do this using kermit? I would be grateful for any help Thanx Mike From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 21:18:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28376 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:26:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00439 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:26:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!library.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!kurtk From: kurtk@ee.ualberta.ca (Kurt Klingbeil) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Improved modem dialing for C-Kermit Date: 4 Jul 1995 21:18:05 GMT Organization: Computing and Network Services, U of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3tcb6d$if4@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <3seuml$4s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sma6k$srb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3snesa$6eo@Mars.mcs.com> <3sp0m6$rl6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3sqmc3$j76@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyquist.ee.ualberta.ca Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:100729 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3110 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >In article <3sp0m6$rl6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >>It has always been possible to write dialing scripts for C-Kermit, >Yes, I've always done it that way, partly because my modems usually >... >fixed. The main reason for bringing up the issue in addition to >wanting a table form for the devices/dialer descriptions is that >my experience indicates that the effort of improving the script >language is more valuable than imbedded dialers. Quite Agree. kk From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 21:40:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:44:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:44:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!iafrica.com!ticsa.com!cstatd.cstat.co.za!aztec.co.za!not-for-mail From: kuyper@aztec.co.za (Kuyper Hoffman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit WAN Probs Date: 4 Jul 1995 23:40:59 +0200 Organization: Aztec Public Access Internet Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3tcchb$t7l@aztec.co.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: aztec.co.za X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sorry if this is a repost, but it hasn't left my regular machine yet and time is short.... :-( I have not yet seen this problem (I'm driving out there tomorrow) but someone's told me of a problem with MSKermit (3.14) when running over a Wide Area Network (telnet sessions into a UNIXWare Box) -- the session simply hangs after around 5-10 minutes. At this point it seems unlikely that the routers are at fault (other Terminal emulators don't seem to hang) and it's not an obvious compatability problem between Kermit and UNIXWare as the Local PCs don't hang. DOS is likely to be the latest(ish) 6.2? and I know that it's a raw Packet Driver interface (either NE2000 or DE220 - Dlink drivers) WAN consists of Motorola (Vanguard??) Routers running IP over 64K lines. LANs are plain (coax?) ethernet. I cannot reproduce the problem here on my PC over a WAN to a Solaris box. Any ideas would be REALLY Appreciated (please respond by mail as well as any newpostings as I'll be out in the bundu with a cell-phone modem [pretty dodgy :-( ]) Thanks Kuyper -- Kuyper@aztec.co.za - Guest login on Aztec From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 21:58:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:58:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:58:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: screen capture Date: 4 Jul 1995 21:58:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3tcdia$1qh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mick Reid wrote: >Hi, I need some help using kermit. I am in a dos environment and I need >to use a screen capture. Is it possible to do this using kermit? I >would be grateful for any help > As explained on pages 77-78 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit", which you should purchase (the book, not the pages :-) if you are going to use the software, there are several methods: . LOG SESSION captures the raw bytes as they come in the communication port. . Screen-dump via Ctrl-End (on the numeric keypad) records the current screen to the SET DUMP file. . And the various host-directed printing methods can be redirected to a file via SET PRINTER. For more information about Kermit manuals and software: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 21:27:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01113 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 18:46:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 18:46:20 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!iafrica.com!ticsa.com!cstatd.cstat.co.za!cthru!kuyper From: kuyper@cthru.iplan.co.za (Kuyper Hoffman) Subject: MSKermit WAN Probs Message-Id: <1995Jul4.212713.29586@cthru.iplan.co.za> Organization: Denel Informatics, Cape Regional Office X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 21:27:13 GMT Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have not yet seen this problem (I'm driving out there tomorrow) but someone's told me of a problem with MSKermit (3.14) when running over a Wide Area Network (telnet sessions into a UNIXWare Box) -- the session simply hangs after around 5-10 minutes. At this point it seems unlikely that the routers are at fault (other Terminal emulators don't seem to hang) and it's not an obvious compatability problem between Kermit and UNIXWare as the Local PCs don't hang. DOS is likely to be the latest(ish) 6.2? and I know that it's a raw Packet Driver interface (either NE2000 or DE220 - Dlink drivers) WAN consists of Motorola (Vanguard??) Routers running IP over 64K lines. LANs are plain (coax?) ethernet. I cannot reproduce the problem here on my PC over a WAN to a Solaris box. Any ideas would be REALLY Appreciated (please respond by mail as well as any newpostings as I'll be out in the bundu with a cell-phone modem [pretty dodgy :-( ]) Thanks Kuyper -- | Kuyper Hoffman | This signature contains: | | kuyper@iplan.co.za | carbonated water, citric acid, | | + = + = + = + = + = + = \-------------\ calcium cyclamate, | | | acesulfame K.... | | | cont. on next sig. | \----------------------------------------------------/ \-------------------/ ****************************************** * Opinions are those of the individuals. * ****************************************** From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 5 01:11:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 21:18:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 21:18:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!exodus.yonsei.ac.kr!mosaic From: mosaic@yiscgw.yonsei.ac.kr (Nas Mosaic) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.iso,comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ,comp.protocols.iso.x400,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.ppp Subject: ICCC'95 2nd Call for Participation. Date: 5 Jul 1995 01:11:40 GMT Organization: Nas Lab of EE Dept. in Yonsei Univ. Lines: 1166 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3tcosc$8dn@exodus.yonsei.ac.kr> Nntp-Posting-Host: namu.yonsei.ac.kr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.ibm:4504 comp.protocols.iso:6410 comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ:1592 comp.protocols.iso.x400:4057 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3114 comp.protocols.kerberos:4890 comp.protocols.nfs:13354 comp.protocols.ppp:11287 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Information about ICCC'95 is now available on the World Wide Web at the following address : * http://most.etri.re.kr/iccc/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Following is the second announcement of Call For Participation of ICCC'95 which will be held from 21-24 of August 1995, in Seoul, Korea. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ICCC'95 CALL FOR PARTICIPATION *********************************************************** * 12th International Conference On Computer Communication * *********************************************************** ******************************************* * August 21-24, 1995 * * Hotel Intercontinental, Seoul, Korea * ******************************************* Sponsored by ICCC - International Council for Computer Communication Hosted by ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute KISS - Korea Information Science Society Under the patronage of Ministry of Information and Communication, Republic of Korea Conference Site Hotel Intercontinental 135-650 P.O.Box 87 Trade Center Seoul Tel:+82-2-555-5656, Telex:K33970 ,Fax:+82-2-559-7990 ADVANCE PROGRAM --------------------- Conference Governor Honorary Conference Chairman ------------------- ---------------------------- Dr. Ronald P. Uhlig Dr. Sanghyon Kyong Northern Telecom,USA Minister, MIC, Korea Conference Chairman Conference Co-chairman --------------------- ----------------------- Prof. Chongsun Hwang Dr. Seungtaik Yang President,KISS,Korea President,ETRI,Korea Technical Program ----------------------- Chair:Dr. Seonjong Chung ETRI,Korea Co-chairs:Dr.Roger Needam Dr. Otto Spaniol Univ. of Cambridge, UK Achen Tech. Univ. Prof. Sergio Fdida Dr. Nicolas Georganas MASI, France Univ. of Ottawa, Canada Dr. Pramode Verma Dr. Hideyoshi Tominaga AT&T,USA Waseda Univ. Japan Publication ------------- Mr. Keosang Lee DACOM,Korea Publicity ----------- Prof. Jaiyong Lee Yonsei Univ.,Korea Registration -------------- Dr. Samyoung Seuh N.C.A.,Korea Treasurer ---------- Dr. Seungkyu Park Ajou Univ.,Korea Social Program ---------------- Dr.Noshik Kim Korea Telecom,Korea Secretary Co-Secretary ----------- -------------- Prof. Yangheei Choi Dr. Younghee Lee Seoul National Univ.,Korea ETRI, Korea Tutorial ---------- Prof. Sunshin An Korea Univ.,Korea Local Arrangements ------------------ Prof. Dongho Lee Kwangwon Univ.,Korea ******************* Keynote Addresses ******************* Monday, August 22 10:55 - 12:20 =============================== 1. "Network Intelligence for Information Superhighway" Dr. Louis Pouzin, THESEUS, France 2. "Information & Communication Policy in Korea" Mr. Hongshik Jung Ministry of Information and Communication(MIC), Korea 3. "The Telecommunications Policy Debate in the US - Where is it headed and what will be the effects on NII and GII development." Mr. Tomas J. Sugrue National Telecommunications and Information Administration(NTIA), USA *********** TUTORIALS *********** Monday, August 21, 1995 ======================= T1. "Multimedia Networking: Applications Requirements, Network Infrastructures, Protocols and Servers" Instructor: Fouad A. Tobagi, Stanford University; tobagi@bodega.stanford.edu T2. "Physical and MAC Layers in Cellular Wireless Communication Networks (With Special Emphasis on CDMA Standards)" Instructor: Arogyaswami Paulraj, Stanford University; chris@rascals.stanford.edu T3. "Distributed Multimedia Systems and Applications" Instructor: Borko Furht, Florida Atalantic University; borko@cse.fau.edu T4. "Broadband Networking with ATM" Instructor: Anujan Varma, University of California; varma@cse.ucsc.edu ******************** Technical Sessions ******************** Tuesday, August 22 14:00 - 15:30 ================================= Session 1A Information Superhighway ------------------------ 1A.1 R&D Strategy for Technologies for an Integrated Ultra-high Speed Network and Computer System Masahiro Taka, Ultra-high Speed Network and Computer Technology Laboratories(UNCL), Japan 1A.2 A Comprehensive Plan for the Korea Information Infrastructure Joun Cheon, MIC, Korea 1A.3 Information Highways and Competitiveness of Telecommunication Services Firms in Brazil Renata Lebre La Rovere, Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro, Jorge Fagundes, Faculdades Integradas Candido Mendes, Brazil Invited Paper: NII Project in R.O.C. - Deployment and Applications of Broadband Trial Network Dr. Jin-Tuu Wang, Telecommunication Laboratories(TL), Taiwan Session 1B Multimedia Communication 1 -------------------------- 1B.1 Statistical Real-Time Channels on Multiaccess Networks Chih-Che Chou, Kang G.Shin, University of Michigan, USA 1B.2 A Multimedia-on-Demand System with End-to-End Quality of Service Guarantees Lek Heng Ngoh, Huanxu Pan, National University of Singapore, Singapore, Aurel Lazar, Columbia University, USA 1B.3 Controlling Agent Interactions in a Tightly Coupled Multiagent Framework Joongmin Choi, Sangkyu Park, Myeongwuk Jang, Sooncheol Baeg, Gwanglo Lee, Younghwan Lim, ETRI, Korea 1B.4 Interactive Multimedia - Services, Success Factors and End-to-End Network Solutions Manfred Gand, Siemens AG, Germany Session 1C ATM Switching 1 --------------- 1C.1 Performance Analysis for ATM Switching of Mixed Continuous-Bit-Rate and Bursty Traffic with Smoothing Function Liao Jianxin, Li Lemin, Lai Guangming, University of Electronic Science and Technology of China, China 1C.2 Design of Network of ATM Switch with Simple Fault Detection Method Jongin Jung, Sungchun Kim, Seogang University, Korea 1C.3 A Novel Architecture for Priority Handling in an ATM Multicast Switch Young C.Oh, Suresh Rai, Lousiana State University, U.S.A 1C.4 Cut Through Routing in Shared Buffered Banyan Networks Seong Leong Ng, Bill Dewar, University of New South Wales, Australia Session 1D High-speed Protocols 1 ---------------------- 1D.1 Modeling of Function-Based Communication Protocol Entities for Performance Assessment, Application to XTP Atika Cohen, Radouane Mrabet, Universite Libre de Bruxelles, Belgium 1D.2 Performance Analysis of a k-Reliable Multicast ARQ Protocol Bongtae Kim, Harry G Perros, Arne A Nilsson, North Carolina State University, USA 1D.3 A Fair and Efficient Access Control Method for High Speed Multimedia LAN and MAN Tadao Saito, Hitoshi Aida, Onur Altintas, Byungsuk Kim,Terumasa Aoki, University of Tokyo, Japan 1D.4 A New Ring Protocol for ATM-MAN Cheul Shim, Keehyun Park, Junho Lee, Jaiyong Lee, Sangbae Lee, Yonsei University, Korea Tuesday, August 22 15:50 - 17:20 ================================= Session 2A Network Architecture -------------------- 2A.1 Design of a Modular and Efficient Communication Subsystem Torsten Braun, Jochen Schiller, Claudia Schmidt, Martina Zitterbart, University of Karlsruhe, Germany 2A.2 Open Platform for Group-working in ODP Environments Changwook Lee, Yongjin Park, Hanyang University, Korea 2A.3 The Design of A Fault-Tolerant ATM Network Chi-Chun Lo, Chen-Yu Chiou, National Chiao-Tung University, Taiwan 2A.4 Architecture of a European-wide Backbone Network A.Hyron, P.Louazel, P.Puges, France Telecom, France Session 2B Multimedia Communication 2 -------------------------- 2B.1 How Smart Valley, Inc. is Creating an Electronic Community in the San Francisco Bay Area Harry J. Saal, Smart Valley. Inc., USA 2B.2 Multi-Carrier Modulation for Multimedia Communications: Symbol Timing and Carrier Phase Synchronization Issues Thierry Pollet, Marc Moeneclaey, University of Ghent, Belgium 2B.3 Performance Analysis of Leaky Bucket Algorithm with Bursty Traffic Input in ATM Networks Sun Hairong, Li Lemin, University of Electronic Science & Technology of China, China 2B.4 Proposal of Architecture for Video on Demand System over ATM Network Keigo Ihara, Yasuhiko Yasuda, Waseda University, Kinji Ono, NCSIS, Japan Session 2C Computer Communication 1 ------------------------ 2C.1 Sojourn Time Analysis of Prioritized DQDB (IEEE802.6) MAN with Bursty Traffic Input Sun Hairong, Li Lemin, University of Electronic Science & Technology of China, China 2C.2 FADM : A New Access Control Method for Distributed Access Subscriber Network Tadao Saito, Hitoshi Aida, Byungsuk Kim, University of Tokyo, Japan 2C.3 Providing Internet Email to the Campus Community at the Lahore University of Management Sciences, Lahore, Pakistan Sohail Aslam, Lahore University of Management Sciences, Pakistan 2C.4 Distributed Mutual Exclusion on Hypercubes Mohamed Naimi, Laboratoire d'Informatique de Besancon, France Session 2D Intelligent Network 1 --------------------- 2D.1 An Object-based Model of the Service Control Function Boris Makarevitch, Helsinki University of Technology, Finland 2D.2 Intelligent Networking-from Narrowband to Broadband Richard B. Robrock II, Bell Communications Research Inc., USA 2D.3 Performance Evaluation of Intelligent Networks Accommodating Various IN Services as well as Basic ISDN Services Minyoung Chung, Dankeun Sung, KAIST, Korea Invited Paper: Evolution of Intelligent Networks Dr. Ronald P. Uhlig, President, ICCC Wednesday, August 23 9:00 - 10:30 ================================== Session 3A Network Management 1 -------------------- 3A.1 Tempo's Quality of Service Model Stefan Bocking, Siemens AG, Rainer Schatzmayr, TU Berlin, Germany 3A.2 Priority Management to Improve the QOS for Shared Memory ATM Switch Sohail Ahmed, Universiti Pertanian Malaysia, Malaysia 3A.3 Modeling and Management of Distributed Applications and Services Using the OSI Management Framework James W.Hong, Michael J. Katchabaw, Michael A. Bauer, Hanan Lutfiyya, University of Western Ontario, Canada 3A.4 A Delegation Approach on an Application Gateway for Heterogeneous Network Managements Taeyeon Kim, Youngkyun Kim, Bongnam Noh, Chonnam National University, Korea Session 3B Mutimedia Communication 3 ------------------------- 3B.1 Multicast Scheduling for VOD Services Heekyoung Woo, Jichul Park, Chongkwon Kim, Seoul National University, Korea 3B.2 An Efficient Backward Compatible Video Coding Method for MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 Standards Kijin Kim, Soonkak Kwon, Jaekyoon Kim, KAIST, Korea 3B.3 Error Control Schemes for Improving the Performance of MPEG-based Video Communications over ATM Networks Taeseop Han, Luis Orozco-Barbosa, University of Ottawa, Canada 3B.4 An Object Oriented Network Simulation Testbed for Real Time Multimedia Applications Sandeep Kumar, P.Venkataram, Indian Institute of Science, India Session 3C ATM Switching 2 --------------- 3C.1 On the Performance Evaluation of an ATM Switch with Bursty Traffic and Nonindependant Routing Sabine Wittevrongel, Herwig Bruneel, University of Ghent, Belgium 3C.2 Analysis of ATM Switch with Feedback Input Queuing and Output Queuing under Bursty Traffic Ghassan Kbar, William J. Dewar University of New South Wales, Australia 3C.3 Design of a Cost-Effective Modular Architecture for Very Large ATM Switches K. H. Cho, J. H. Park, B. S. Kwon, S. Eun, H. Yoon, KAIST, Korea 3C.4 Analysis of Priority Control Mechanism with Two Thresholds in ATM Switch Network Wongi Park, Youngsun Kim, Chimoon Han, ETRI, Hyoungjin Choi, Sungkyunkwan University, Korea Session 3D Wireless Communication 1 ------------------------ 3D.1 An Improved Leader Election Protocol in Multi-hop Radio Networks Chungki Lee, NCA, Korea, Mostafa H. Ammar, Georgia Institute of Technology, James E. Burns, Bellcore, USA 3D.2 Scheduling Algorithms for Packet Radio Networks Mark L. Huson, Arunabha Sen, Arizona State University, USA 3D.3 HF Radio Prediction Services for PC Communication Kyujin Wee, Seokhee Bae, Radio Research Lab, MIC, Daejoong Kim, Seongkyeong Park, Changeon Kang, Yonsei University, Korea 3D.4 Voice and Packet Data Integration over GSM Networks Giuseppe Bianchi, Antonio Capone, Luigi Fratta, Luigi Musumeci, Politecnico di Milano, Italy Wednesday, August 23 10:50 - 12:20 =================================== Session 4A Network Planning ---------------- 4A.1 Modular Network Planning of Peruvian University Eduardo Gorritti Castro, Aurora Ruiz Rosado, Antenor Orrego University, Peru 4A.2 Communication by Computer : A Proposal of Development to Peru Esteban Rafael Estrada Hora, Cesar Angusto Ramires Luna Victoria, Antenor Orrego University, Peru 4A.3 Differences in Network Planning for Wireless Local Loop and Mobile Wireless Systems Bracha Epstein, Moshe Levin, Tadiran Telecommunications, Israel 4A.4 Use of Conjoint Measurements for an Optimal Design of International Telephone Services Christian Eggenberger, Christof Hauser, University of St. Gallen, Switzerland Session 4B Broadband Communication 1 ------------------------- 4B.1 A Modular Transport Network Node Gerald Lebizay, IBM Lab., France 4B.2 Design Method for Virtual Path Based ATM Networks with Multiple Traffic Classes Byunghan Ryu, Hiroyuki Ohsaki, Masayuki Murata, Hideo Miyahara, Osaka University, Japan 4B.3 A Compatible ATM-DQDB Interconnection in a Broadband Multi-Internetworking Unit Xavier Hesselbach, Sebasti Sallent, Politechnic University of Catalonia, Spain 4B.4 Dynamic Virtual Path Bandwidth Control over Multiple Transmission Links in an ATM Network Eunjoo Ha, Jaehyuk Do, Jongtae Park, Kyungbuk National University, Chimoon Han, ETRI, Korea Session 4C Computer Communication 2 ------------------------ 4C.1 Performance Evaluation of A Deferred Write Technique as a Recovery Technique in Client-Server DBMS Y. Jeon, F.Lombardi, Texas A & M University, USA 4C.2 ATM Switches in Computer Networks, A Proposal for the LAN Environment Hendrik Visage, University of Pretoria, South Africa 4C.3 An Application Configuration for Information Delivery Systems in a Distributed Processing Environment Junichi Kikuchi, Takeya Mukaigaito, Hiroshi Masamoto, Manabu Tsukuda, NTT, Japan 4C.4 Practical Performance Analysis of UDP/IP and TCP/IP over ATM with Special Regard to Protocol-, Operating System- and ATM Layer Limitations Andree Zehl, Thomas P.Kusch Technical University of Berlin, Germany Session 4D Performance Analysis -------------------- 4D.1 MMBP[X]/G/1 Queues and Their Application to the Approximation of the Performance of ATM Switches Mowcheng Lee, ITRI, Taiwan, C. Y. Roger Chen, Syracuse University, USA 4D.2 On the Prediction of the Stochastic Behavior of Time Series by Use of Neural Networks - an Application to Source Modelling Markus D. EbersplAher, University of Stuttgart, Germany 4D.3 Analysis of Optimal Scheduling in Distributed Parallel Queueing Systems Mark S. Squillante, IBM, Konstantinos P. Tsoukatos, University of Maryland, USA 4D.4 Modeling of SONET Links for Per-Session Study of an ATM Multiplexer Rajesh I. Balay, Arne A. Nilsson, North Carolina State University, USA Wednesday, August 23 14:00 - 15:30 =================================== Session 5A Security and Privacy 1 ---------------------- 5A.1 Intrusion Detection : A Survey Mansour Esmaili, Reihaneh Safavi-Naini, Josef Pieprzyk, University of Wollongong, Australia 5A.2 Fast Software Encryption Systems for Secure & Private Communication Moldovyan A. A., Institute of Modeling and Intellectualization of Complex Systems, Moldovyan N. A., Academy of Sciences of Moldova Republic, Russia, Moldova 5A.3 A Secure Communication Scheme Using Chaotic Signals Chungyong Lee, Jaejin Lee, Douglas B. Williams, Georgia Institute of Technology, U.S.A 5A.4 A Secure Multiway Election Scheme Sungjun Park, Dongho Won, Sungkyunkwan University, Korea Session 5B Protocol Engineering 1 ---------------------- 5B.1 Automated Verification in an Integrated Protocol Development Environment Ajin Jirachiefpattana, Richard Lai, La Trobe University, Australia 5B.2 High Performance ASN.1/BER Decoder Sunwan Choi, ETRI, Korea 5B.3 Test Generation from SDL Specifications and Input/Output Finite State Machines Byungmoon Chin, ETRI, Korea, Anna R.Cavalli, Toma Macavei, Institut National des Telecommunications, France 5B.4 Designing Tests for Time Dependant Systems Ousamane Konmh Universit Bordeaux I, France Session 5C ATM Traffic 1 ------------- 5C.1 Flow Control of ABR Traffic in ATM Networks Using a Two-level Scheme Wales Kin Fai Wong, Danny H.K.Tsang, Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, Hong Kong 5C.2 Effective Bandwidth Techniques in Bufferless and Buffered ATM Multiplexers B. G. Kim, I. G. Niemegeers, University of Twente, The Netherlands 5C.3 On an Extension of Leaky Bucket Algorithm: Leaky Bucket Algorithm with Multiple Token Rates Dirceu Cavendish, Yuji Oie, Kyushu Institute of Technology, Tetsuya Takine, Osaka University, Japan 5C.4 On GA-based Optimal Dimensioning of Three-Level Traffic Shaper for Statistical Multiplexing in ATM Networks Kyeongsoo Kim, Byeonggi Lee, Seoul National University, Korea Session 5D High-speed Protocols 2 ---------------------- 5D.1 An Integrated Packet Scheduling Algorithm for Highspeed Packet-Switched Wide-Area Networks Jaechang Kwak, Seokyeong University, Korea 5D.2 Robust Communication Protocols for Run-Time Fault Detection G.Noubir, K.Vijayananda, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Switzerland 5D.3 A New Presentation Layer Protocol for Partitioned Syntax Transformation Model Guy Berthet, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Switzerland 5D.4 Improving End-to-End Throughput for Bulk Data Transfers Tadao Saito, Hitoshi Aida, Onur Altintas, Terumasa Aoki, University of Tokyo, Japan Panels ====== Wednesday, August 23 15:50 - 17:20 =================================== Panel 1 : What does Information Superhighway stand for in your mind? What is its impact on our society? Panel 2 : What are the real issues in current multimedia communications, QOS, Standardization or Services? Panel 3 : Security / Privacy vs. Accessibility in Information Networks. Panel 4 : Will personal/wireless communications dominate over the wire communications? Thursday, August 24 9:00 - 10:30 ================================= Session 6A Network Management 2 6A.1 Multimedia Communication Management Architecture for Information Highways Wonkyu Hong, Eunho Choi, Korea Telecom, Korea 6A.2 A Model for a Time Reference Network Management System Theodore K. Apostolopoulos, Victoria Daskalou, Athens University of Economics and Business, Greece 6A.3 A Group Communication Protocol for Distributed Network Management Systems Kwanghui Lee, Changwon National University, Korea 6A.4 Using BAN logic for the proof of Network Address Integrity Yuko Murayama, Hiroshima City University, Japan Session 6B Protocol Engineering 2 ---------------------- 6B.1 An Integrated Tool for LOTOS Development Ana Cavalli, Patrick Maigron, INT, Hacene Fouchal, Universite de Reims Champagne-Ardennes, France, Sungun Kim, Korea Telecom, Korea 6B.2 Design and Implementation of CFG generator for Estelle Specification Jaehong Park, Cheeha Kim, Jaiyong Lee, POSTECH, Yonsei Univsersity, Korea 6B.3 Specification and Verification, a Unified Approach Anthony Wiles, Anders Ekman, Telia Research AB, Sweden 6B.4 DQDB Networks with a Fast Global Information Scheme Hasein I. Sigiuk, B. H. Pardoe, University of Salford, United Kingdom Session 6C Computer Communication 3 ------------------------ 6C.1 Integrated Multilevel Secure System for Information Retrieval in Distributed Computer Systems Haklin Kimm, University of Tennessee, USA, Jaeyoung Rhi, Samsung Data Systems, Korea 6C.2 On the Use of a Stochastic Estimator Learning Algorithm to the ATM Routing Problem : A Methodology Athanasios V. Vasilakos, Hellenic Air Force Academy, Greece 6C.3 Design of High Performance OSI Software over ATM Network Toshihiko Kato, Toru Hasegawa, Akira Idoue, Kenji Suzuki, Yoshiyori Urano, KDD R&D Lab., Japan 6C.4 Modeling Optimal Overload Control in Distributed Control Systems Ulf Ahlfors, Christian Nyberg, Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden Session 6D Intelligent Network 2 --------------------- 6D.1 A New Traffic Regulation Scheme for SCP Jyhi-Kong Wey, Lir-Fang Sun, Ministry of Transportation and Communications, Wei-Pang Yang, National Chiao Tung University, Taiwan 6D.2 A Petri-Nets Based Approach for Detecting Feature Interactions in Telecommunications Services Junghun Choi, ETRI, Hyeonsoo Kim, Woojin Lee, Yongrae Kwon, KAIST, Korea 6D.3 Transient and Stationary Investigations of Overload Control in Intelligent Networks Maria Kihl, Christian Nyberg, Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden 6D.4 An Implementation of VPN Service on the TDX-10 SSP Hyungik Kim, Seokhun Kim, Jeyseung Lee, Minyong Ahn, Korea Telecom, Korea Thursday, August 24 10:50 - 12:20 ================================== Session 7A Security and Privacy 2 ---------------------- 7A.1 Security for Local Area and Wide Area Networked Computer Communications Vijay Varadharajan, University of Western Sydney, Australia 7A.2 A Key Distribution and Authentication Method on the Q.931 Calling Sequence of ISDN Taekyoung Kwon, Jooseok Song, Yonsei University, Korea 7A.3 Reconfiguration for Service Growth and Self-healing in ATM Networks Based on Virtual Paths Tai H. Noh, AT&T Bell Lab.Dhadesugoor R. Vaman, Xuedao Gu, Stevens Institute of Technology, USA 7A.4 The Extended LFSRs and their Applications to the High Speed Data Protections Seungcheol Goh, Sangjin Lee, Seoungtaek Chee, Sangwoo Park, ETRI, Korea Session 7B Broadband Communication 2 ------------------------- 7B.1 Optimal Sequential Decoding Algorithm in the Land Mobile Fading Channel Jaechoong Han, Goldstar Co. Central Research Lab., Korea, Costas N. Georghiades, Texas A&M University, USA 7B.2 A Pre-negotiation Dynamic Bandwidth Management Algorithm for ATM Connectionless Service Hyunchul Cha, Kijun Han, Kyungpook National University, Korea 7B.3 QOS based Routing for High Speed Environment L. Franck, B. Sales, Brussels Universities, Belgium 7B.4 Service Multiplexing in an ATM Environment Paulo Monteiro, Augusto Casaca, Serafim Nunes, INESC, Portugal Session 7C Optical Communication & Forward Error Correction ------------------------------------------------ 7C.1 Architecture and Performance Evaluation of Future Photonic Networks Jan Spath, Ulrich Gremmelmaier, Uwe Briem, University of Stuttgart, Manfred N. Huber, Simens AG, Germany 7C.2 Limits to Optical Switch Matrices Set by Phase Noise from Semiconductor Optical Amplifiers Joao J. O. Pires, Instituto Superior Tecnico, Portugal 7C.3 Improved Algorithm of the Trace Computation on Trinomial Irreducible Polynomial for RS Code Changho Seo, Jongin Lim, Injeong Chung, Korea University, Korea 7C.4 Performance Analysis of DT-WDMA Protocol Hyun K. Kahng, Jooyoung Park, Korea University, Korea Session 7D Wireless Communication 2 ------------------------ 7D.1 A Design of a MAC Layer Protocol for CBR and VBR Data Transmission on a Single Channel in Wireless LANs P. Venkataram, S. R. Pawamana, Indian Institute of Science, India 7D.2 Performance Evaluation of Priority Packet Reservation Multiple Access and Adaptive Packet Reservation Multiple Access Wu Xiaowen, Huang Shunji, Li Lemin, University of Electronic Science and Technology of China, China 7D.3 Performance of Code Tracking Loop for a Direct-Sequence Spread-Spectrum System in a Mobile Fading Channel Jinyoung Kim, Jaehong Lee, Seoul Natioanl University, Korea Invited Paper: Modern Digital Solutions for Wireless Local Loop Using CDMA Technology Dr. Peter E. Jackson, QUALCOMM, USA Thursday, August 24 14:00 - 15:30 ================================== Session 8A Highspeed Networks ------------------ 8A.1 On Merging and Splitting of Self-Similar Traffic in High Speed Networks Yanhe Fan, Nicolas D.Georganas, University of Ottawa, Canada 8A.2 Effective Priority Control and Addressing Scheme for High Speed Ring Network Sunmoo Kang, Byungchun Jeon, ETRI, Daeyoung Kim, Chungnam National University, Korea 8A.3 CapNet-Shared Memory Distributed Computing over Wide Area High Speed Networks Ming-Chit Tam, David J.Farber, University of Pennsylvania, U.S.A Invited Paper: Dr. Roger Needham, University of Cambridge United Kingdom Session 8B Broadband Communication 3 ------------------------- 8B.1 Fault-Tolerant ATM LAN/LAN Interworking Inter-LAN Connectionless Data Services E. T. Powner, A. Odeh, Y. Wang, University of Sussex, United Kingdom 8B.2 Simulation Study of CAP in High Bit Rate Asymmetrical Digital Subscriber Line (ADSL) Envirnment Ajit Reddy, Syed V. Ahamed, CUNY, U.S.A 8B.3 Towards Scalable Error Control for Reliable Multipoint Services in ATM Networks Georg Carle, University of Karlsruhe, Germany 8B.4 Relationships among Inter-Dependant Real-Time Streams Luca Delgrossi, Sibylle Schaller, Lars Wolf, IBM European Networking Center, Germany Session 8C ATM Traffic 2 ------------- 8C.1 The Use of Learning Algorithms in ATM Networks Call Admission Control Problem : A Methodology Athanasios V.Vasilakos, Hellenic Air Force Academy, Greece 8C.2 Characterizing Variation of Traffic Parameters in ATM Networks Using Neural Networks Ibrahim Khalil, Borhanuddin Mohd Ali, M.R.Mukerjee, Universiti Pertanian Malaysia, Malaysia 8C.3 A Simple Dynamic Bandwidth Allocation Scheme for ATM Networks Han Zhou, C. H. Chang, Tufts University, USA, D. T. Han, Beijing Steel College, China 8C.4 Interoperability Study between EFCI & ER Switch Mechanisms for ABR Traffic in an ATM Network Yoon Chang, Nada Golmie, David Su, NIST, USA Session 8D Satellite Communication ----------------------- 8D.1 Object-Oriented B-ISDN Service Modeling Juhyun Ryu, Cheong Youn, Chungnam National University, Jaeil Jung, Jiyoung Kim,Korea Telecom Korea 8D.2 A Comparison of Satellite and Terrestrial Implementaions of the National Research and Education Network Junghwan Kim, R. M. Buehrer, Mark Keaton, Subash C. Kwatra, William Curry, University of Toledo, USA 8D.3 Multibeam-Switched Demand-Assigned Multiple Access for On Board the Satellite with Data Buffer Doug N. Kim, ETRI, Korea Invited Paper: Thursday, August 24 15:50 - 16:50 ================================== Session 9A Evolution toward the Highspeed Networks --------------------------------------- 9A.1 A Network Architecture for Multimedia Multiparty Services and the Impact on B-ISDN Control Evolution Luigi Ronchetti, Luca Cipriani, Stefano Salsano Ericsson Telecomunicazioni SpA, Italy 9A.2 Transition to High Speed Network-Super JANET Experience Kicheon Kim, Steven Simpson, David Hutchison Lancaster University, United Kingdom 9A.3 The Evolution of Packet Data Networks : The ATM Opportunity F. Perardi, F.Ferrero, CSELT, R. Pietroiusti, F. Cataldi, Telecom Italia, Italy Session 9B Distance Learning ----------------- 9B.1 An Internet Based Collaborative Distance Learning System : CODILESS Kazuo Watabe, University of Shizuoka, Japan, Matti Hamalainen, Espoo-Vantaa Institute of Technology, Finland, Andrew B. Whinston, University of Texas at Austin, USA 9B.2 Designing Mulitmedia Learning Environments for Anesthetic Methods in Medical Practice JuPn Nilsson, Lund University, Sweden 9B.3 Frame Rate Control in a Multimedia Distance Learning System Lj. Josifovski, S. Gievska, D. Davcev, St. Kiril & Metodij University, Skopje R. of Macedonia Session 9C Computer Communication 4 ------------------------ 9C.1 A Framework on the Design of Communication Gateways Zhong Ping Tao, University of Montreal, Canada 9C.2 A Delay Constrained Distributed Multicast Routing Algorithm Sunjoo Wi, Yanghee Choi, Seoul National University, Korea 9C.3 A Ring Network with Two Tokens Rashid Al-Naami, Doha, Qutar Session 9D Personal Communication Systems ------------------------------ 9D.1 Dynamic Channel Assignment Using Channel Interleaving in the One Dimensional Reuse Partitioning System Kwangmoon Cho, Taiyun Kim, Korea University, Korea 9D.2 SCAI: Integration of Computer and Telecommunications Switches in North American Intelligent Networks for Universal Personal Communications and Multimedia Communications Hazem El-Gendy, EPEC Inc., Canada 9D.3 Performance Analysis of Cellular Mobile Communications under Multipath Interference Jyh-Horng Wen, National Chung Cheng University, Taiwan *************** Social Events *************** Welcome Reception(Cocktail) ----------------------------- A welcome Cocktail Party will be held at p.m. 7 Monday evening, August 21 at Hotel Intercontinental. 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From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 21:52:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 21:52:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Jul 1995 21:52:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!nntp.gmd.de!nntp.darmstadt.gmd.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!uni-regensburg.de!pc1034.physik.uni-regensburg.de!Gerd.Boehm From: Gerd.Boehm@physik.uni-regensburg.de (Gerd Boehm (2017)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Reissued Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:24:52 Organization: Universitaet Regensburg Lines: 20 Message-Id: References: <3sekke$kp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3suhhc$786@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> <3tbhuv$t7p@mailer.york.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: pc1034.physik.uni-regensburg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu chris elliott writes: >I have now looked in ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/msvibm.zip and >the version command still says 18 jan >Is this the correct place to look? For now not quite: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/msdos/msvibm.zip HTH, Gerd -- Gerd B"ohm | gerd.boehm@physik.uni-regensburg.de Inst. f. Theor. Physik |_____ Uni Regensburg; Germany | _|__) ========================|__|__) ============================== From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 5 11:37:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Jul 1995 15:57:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21375 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Jul 1995 15:57:05 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hp-cv!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!news From: chang@theta.math.wsu.edu (Ching-Mo Chang) Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit and Japanese Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: "Archimedes L. Trajano"'s message of Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:44:18 GMT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 11:37:03 GMT Lines: 15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII References: <199506301425.AA21571@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Washington State University X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.91.1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "Archimedes" == Archimedes L Trajano writes: Archimedes> On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >> First you would need a copy of OS/2 Japanese edition. >> Then we would need to rewrite C-Kermit to support DBCS. In >> other words, sorry, but you can't. Archimedes> Even if I have OS/2 (Japanese Edition)? I am runing C-Kermit for OS/2 (191) in the WARP T3.0 (Chinesse version) with no problems so far. Oh, you need to set term character transparent. -- Ching-Mo Chang From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 5 22:28:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:30:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:29:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition Date: 5 Jul 1995 22:28:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3tf3n7$2tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu As announced a few weeks ago, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 has been slightly updated in several ways: . A new KERMIT.EXE fixes a problem with TCP/IP ARP resolution. . New patch files have been issued. . A new font utility is now included. The ZIP file containing these updates was placed in kermit/msdos for a period of testing, and seems to have checked out OK, so it has now become the official version. Effective today (July 5), the new ZIP, EXE, and PCH files have been installed in all the regular places: kermit/archives/msvibm.zip The complete distribution, ZIP'd. kermit/a/msvibmzip.{uue,boo} Ditto, ZIP'd and {uuencoded,BOO'd} kermit/bin/msvibm.exe The IBM PC full-sized executable kermit/a/msr*.pch The patch files The new KERMIT.EXE is dated May 21 rather than January 18. The new patch level is 8 for the full version, 6 for the medium version, and 4 for Kermit Lite. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 4 21:45:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Jul 1995 02:34:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Jul 1995 02:33:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!demon!djwhome.demon.co.uk!david From: David Woolley Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scrambled Characters in Telnet Session Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 21:45:57 GMT Organization: Demon Subscriber at Home Lines: 17 Message-Id: References: <3sd3j2$2fr1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <1995Jun22.212304.54526@cc.usu.edu> <1995Jun26.173752.6036@tron.bwi.wec.com> <1995Jun28.073803.54848@cc.usu.edu> Summary: Probably timeout. X-Nntp-Posting-Host: djwhome.demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jun28.073803.54848@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > Your Choice ==> ^[[?63;1;2;4;6;8;9;15;22c > > The ^[[?63 etc text above is exactly as shown, that's a caret >(aka ESC [ c) terminal identification request from the host. The remote >software is mistakenly echoing the response More likely it timed out the response, because it wasn't written with long delay telnet connections in mind, and defaulted to VT 52. VT100 would be a better default these days. (I've never found terminal type sensing code very reliable.) -- David Woolley, London, England david@djwhome.demon.co.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 30 21:54:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03914 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Jul 1995 00:01:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Jul 1995 00:01:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!uw-beaver!tera.com!tera.com!not-for-mail From: burton@Tera.COM (Burton Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Late lockup in terminal emulation Date: 30 Jun 1995 14:54:34 -0700 Organization: Tera Computer Company, Seattle, WA Lines: 24 Sender: Burton.Smith@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3t1rqq$1lj@tera.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: tera.com Keywords: Compaq Aero 4/25, Megahertz XJ2288, Kermit 3.14, MS-DOS 6.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In moving Kermit to my new traveling machine and modem (see keywords above) I ran into a problem that didn't improve when I upgraded to Kermit 3.14. Screen output hangs up pretty unpredictably -- sometimes just after the CONNECT message from the modem but occasionally after I have supplied my user name and we are partway into the "Password:" prompt. What little text I see is perfect. Changing terminal emulation to VT102, ANSI, etc. doesn't help; neither does slower DTE speeds. There are probably a few flow control options I haven't yet tried :). The modem does not complain. Procomm (the old one) works fine, and so does Bitcom. The configuration looks OK except MSD shows 5 data bits for COMM2. IRQ, etc are vanilla. The PCMCIA tools give expected answers. If anyone is interested in helping me out, send me mail. I really need Kermit because it cleanly solves my "inverse telephone directory problem". I wrote macros that help me pulse dial out of a Paris hotel, then give AT&T USA Direct a tone phone number, and finally supply the appropriate credit card number tones at the bong. I nearly always call the same phone number -- it's the prefixes and suffixes that vary a lot. I expect to use Kermit under Linux also, once I lick this MS-DOS problem. Burton From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 7 04:34:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Jul 1995 03:46:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03297 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Jul 1995 03:46:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!hptemp1.cc.umr.edu!nexus From: mcastle@umr.edu (Mike Castle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Flow Control? Date: 7 Jul 1995 04:34:59 GMT Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3tidhj$6kl@hptemp1.cc.umr.edu> References: <3taeu9$lh0@news.bu.edu> <1995Jul4.080000.55331@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-pkr-6-5.network.umr.edu Originator: nexus@ylum.mrc.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul4.080000.55331@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >local machine. It's not flow control, it's most likely a parity >problem. You will have to match parity with what the remote side >requires. If that's true, he may have a problem; certain 14.4 Sportsters have a problem connecting at 7E1 (need a chip upgrade). Of course, that's only an issue if you're trying to connect at 7E1. mrc -- Mike Castle .-=NEXUS=-. Life is like a clock: You can work constantly mcastle@cs.umr.edu and be right all the time, or not work at all mcastle@umr.edu and be right at least twice a day. -- mrc We are all of us living in the shadow of Manhattan. -- Watchmen From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 8 16:08:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Jul 1995 12:08:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26454 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Jul 1995 12:08:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Late lockup in terminal emulation Date: 8 Jul 1995 16:08:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3tmahn$pon@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3t1rqq$1lj@tera.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Compaq Aero 4/25, Megahertz XJ2288, Kermit 3.14, MS-DOS 6.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3t1rqq$1lj@tera.com>, Burton Smith wrote: : In moving Kermit to my new traveling machine and modem (see keywords : above) I ran into a problem that didn't improve when I upgraded to : Kermit 3.14. Screen output hangs up pretty unpredictably -- sometimes : just after the CONNECT message from the modem but occasionally after I : have supplied my user name and we are partway into the "Password:" : prompt. : What little text I see is perfect. Changing terminal emulation : to VT102, ANSI, etc. doesn't help; neither does slower DTE speeds. : There are probably a few flow control options I haven't yet tried :). : That this would happen so early in a session probably means it is not a flow control problem, but you still might want to try telling Kermit to "set flow none" just to rule out flow-control deadlocks. Or, conversely, you might want to try using (if this is not what you are already doing) the TELEPCMC.SCR dialing script to set up Kermit *and* your modem optimally for flow control and all other pertinent parameters. This script should work for the Megahertz / Telepath Xjack PCMCIA modems. : The modem does not complain. Procomm (the old one) works fine, and : so does Bitcom. The configuration looks OK except MSD shows 5 data bits : for COMM2. IRQ, etc are vanilla. The PCMCIA tools give expected answers. : If using the aforementioned dialing script doesn't clear matters up for you, then all of this taken together would tend to point towards your system configuration; either an IRQ conflict (despite your sleuthing) or a memory management problem: . If you have told Kermit to "set terminal expanded-memory on" to make it use expanded memory for rollback buffers, and there are any problems with your memory layout, there is no end of bad things that can happen as a consequence. Try telling Kermit to "set term expanded off" and see if the problem goes away. . If you have an IRQ conflict, it would affect Kermit, but not other communications software that operates via polling rather than being interrupt-driven. If these suggestions don't help, send email direct to kermit@columbia.edu with additional details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 8 01:49:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 03:05:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 03:05:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!nntp!lobo From: lobo@konishiki.Stanford.EDU (Donald Lobo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.networking Subject: Reading data from a serial port Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 08 Jul 1995 01:49:19 GMT Organization: Stanford University Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-Id: Reply-To: lobo@yahoo.com Nntp-Posting-Host: konishiki.stanford.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3122 comp.os.linux.networking:12882 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi!! I'm getting data fed into a serial port (com2, cua1) from a satellite news feed receiver. The data is pretty much ascii text with a few control character to indicate various newsfeed specific features (urgency, distribution, etc), and also start and stop control characters etc. Rather than sit and write a program to do this, I was wondering whether I could use a communications program avalaible in the public domain. 1. Could I use kermit in receive mode to read the data from the serial port using the receive command, though the protocol is not kermit? Is there any way I could get kermit to take care of the data receiving part. 2. If not, are there any programs out there that I could use?? A quick reply is appreciated Thanx Lobo From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 9 16:55:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 12:55:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 12:55:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Reading data from a serial port Date: 9 Jul 1995 16:55:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3tp1lu$an6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Donald Lobo wrote: >I'm getting data fed into a serial port (com2, cua1) from a satellite news >feed receiver. The data is pretty much ascii text with a few control >character to indicate various newsfeed specific features (urgency, >distribution, etc), and also start and stop control characters etc. > >Rather than sit and write a program to do this, I was wondering >whether I could use a communications program avalaible in the public >domain. > Perhaps, or you could use Kermit, which is copyrighted and not in the public domain. >1. Could I use kermit in receive mode to read the data from the serial >port using the receive command, though the protocol is not kermit? Is >there any way I could get kermit to take care of the data receiving >part. > You did not say what operating system -- COM1 implies DOS, cua1 implies UNIX. It doesn't make much difference. MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows and C-Kermit for UNIX have approximately the same capabilities in this area. There are lots of ways to accomplish what you need to do. The simplest is simply "log session" while in CONNECT mode. This writes all the incoming bytes to the session log file. To stop it, you would have to "escape back" from CONNECT mode to the prompt and "close session". Thus, starting and stopping the capture is manual. You could also automate it by writing a script program in Kermit's script programming language to look for article delimiters and then direct each article to the desired file, opening and closing files automatically based on the data stream. If the "protocol" used by the news feed includes other types of information, like sequencing, checksums, etc, you can even use Kermit's string-processing and arithmetic functions to handle this. For details about Kermit software and documentation (you'll have to read the manual to learn how to write script programs), visit our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 9 18:03:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 14:03:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14199 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 14:03:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Portable Dialing Directory Design Date: 9 Jul 1995 18:03:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 237 Message-Id: <3tp5ma$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3124 comp.dcom.modems:101472 [Note: I posted this before, but it did not seem to "take". Apologies in advance if it appears twice.] Hi everybody. I'm posting this message to some lists I don't usually inhabit, as well as to some familiar ones, so let me begin by explaining that I'm the principle author of C-Kermit communications software; I am working on improving its modem and dialing support and need some guidance and opinions from people who know more about telephony than I do. For a dialing directory to be "portable", it should work no matter where you are calling from: the local calling area (a local call), a different calling area (a long-distance call), another country (an international call), etc, and from a phone that is directly on the telephone system as well as from a hotel room or office where you must dial a special code to get an "outside line", and also irrespective of your long-distance carrier (in countries like the USA, where you have a choice), and also whether or not you are billing the call to the calling phone or to a calling-card or credit-card number, all this independently of any particular features or limitations of the modem (e.g. maximum command or phone-number length) or the telephone system (e.g. availability of Touch Tone (tm) dialing). It seems to me that given the diverse formats for telephone numbers all over the world, the diversity of calling procedures (e.g. when using different long-distance dialing methods in the USA, such as "1" vs "10-xxx" vs "1-800-xxx-yyyy" and then answering a bunch of questions), that there is no way to have a dialing directory feature that is simple enough for most people to understand, at least not without building a gigantic knowledge base into the software that is guaranteed to be obsolete the moment the software is released due to the constantly changing telephony landscape, or else without launching a lengthy inquisition of the user each time a number is to be dialed. Here is what we have so far in the working copy of C-Kermit: 1. The DIAL command, e.g. "dial foo". If "foo" is found in the dialing directory, it is replaced by the associated number; otherwise it is dialed literally (a feature that allows the user to totally bypass the dialing directory). 2. The DIAL METHOD, Tone, pulse, or unspecified. Kermit uses its knowledge of the particular modem to dial using the specified method. Perfectly straightforward. 3. The DIAL PREFIX. This is used for specifying a code to be dialed in order to get an outside line, e.g. when dialing from a PBX or hotel room. In other words, this is a prefix to be ADDED to the beginning of the phone number that is extracted from the dialing directory. 4. The DIAL LOCAL-AREA-CODE. This is a prefix to be REMOVED from the beginning of a phone number from the dialing directory, if the number begins with this prefix. This lets you include area codes in all numbers and have them stripped automatically when it is a local call, but kept on when you are travelling and it is a long-distance call. (The DIAL PREFIX is added after this step, unconditionally.) Rationale: In the USA, at least, one normally may not dial a local call as if it were a long-distance call (doing so results in an error tone or message). Thus, the "country" and area codes (e.g. "1-212") must be stripped before dialing a number in the same area code, but must be included when dialing the same number from a different area code. But... In some area codes, such as Westchester Country in New York State, one may (must) use a short number (no "1" or area code) for calls in one's own town, but a long-distance form (1 914 xxx-xxxx) for calls in the same area code but outside of one's own town. Another difficulty we face is that to dial a long-distance number in the USA, we start with "1", but to dial the same number from outside the USA, we might have to dial (say) "001". Similarly, area codes in countries like Germany and England might start with "0", but when dialing them from the USA, leading zeroes must be omitted. (Perhaps this is just a different way of saying that the long-distance dialing prefix in Germany or England is "0"). Now, without redesigning Kermit's dialing directory to be some kind of WIN.INI- or NET.CFG-style monstrosity, or invent a programming language for writing dialing directories (since dialing is no longer simply the entry of a number, but a procedure that varies with the context), and without imbedding within the Kermit code any knowledge about any particular dialing system or telephone-number format (which, if it were done, would wind up favoring some countries or carriers over others), the question is: how much can we accomplish using Kermit's current dialing-directory format and dialing facilities? If a person always dials from the same place, then each number can be entered in the dialing directory in exactly the way the person dials it: local, long-distance, tie-line, internal PBX number, etc. That is what we had before, and it works for most people. But to meet the needs of those who travel around with their dialing directories, or for that matter to construct dialing directories which themselves are portable, e.g. to be shipped to people in diverse locations throughout the world, what is the least amount of complexity and "knowledge" we can get away with? Let's assume (and, in fact, recommend) that all entries in a portable dialing directory be in a uniform format: 1. Numbers within the country where one normally dials from are entered in the long-distance-dialing format for one's own country, and this applies also to numbers that are normally dialed locally, for example 1-212-765-4321 for a USA number dialed from within the USA. 2. Numbers outside the country from which one normally dials are entered prefixed by the code for international dialing, e.g. 011 in the USA, and then the country code, e.g. 49 for Germany. Now let's assume (this is entirely fictitious): 1. I work in Manhattan, New York City (USA), area "212". 2. I live in White Plains, New York State (USA), area "914". 3. I sometimes travel to Hannover, Germany, bringing a laptop. The object of the game is to have only one dialing directory that works in all situations. Let's assume my dialing directory is as follows. Please bear in mind that I don't understand non-North-American phone numbers very well, since as far as I can tell, and unlike North American phone numbers, most of them seem to have variable-length fields -- for example, in Germany, the area code for Frankfurt seems to be 69, for Hannover 511, and for Marburg 6421, and then length of the part after the area code seems to vary also. So here is the text of a short sample dialing directory (ignoring the other items a dialing directory might contain, because we are concentrating only on the phone numbers, and bearing in mind that a real dialing directory might be much longer, and might contain entries from many countries and areas within countries): OFFICE 1-212-765-4321 INTERNET 1-212-555-1234 HOME 1-914-987-6543 NYACK 1-914-876-5432 HANNOVER 011-49-511-54-32-1 HANNOVER2 011-49-511-65-43-2 MARBUG 011-49-6431-76-54-3 FRANKFURT 011-49-69-87-65-4 Given all this, then: 1. At work I "set dial local-area-code 1-212". This will strip "1-212" from any numbers in my dialing directory before dialing the phone. All other numbers are dialed exactly as they are recorded. Thus if I "dial internet" from my office, it is dialed as "555-1234", but if I "dial nyack", it is dialed as "1-914-876-5432", and if I "dial hannover" it is dialed as "011-49-511-54-32-1". 2. At home I "set dial local-area-code 1-914". This will strip "1-914" from any numbers in my dialing directory before dialing the phone. Thus if I "dial nyack", it is dialed as "876-5432", which, unfortunately, won't work, because Nyack is outside of the White Plains local calling area, EVEN THOUGH IT IS IN THE SAME AREA CODE ( which means we need to incorporate the notion of a "local-area-code-stripping-override mechanism" of some sort on a per-call basis )-: 3. When in Hannover with my laptop, I "set dial local-area-code 011-49-511". This allows me to make local calls in Hannover; for example, to HANNOVER2. But now if I want to make a long-distance call within Germany, I must change to "set dial local-area-code 011-49" and I must also (I think) "set dial prefix 0", because when dialing long distance WITHIN Germany, the area code needs a single "0" on the front (right?). Now I can "dial marburg" or "dial frankfurt". But, if I want to "dial office" from Germany, then I must "set dial prefix 00" so that "1 212" will become "001 212" (assuming that is the way one dials the USA from Germany). 4. Paragraph (3) assumes I am in the branch office in Hannover, which is connected directly to the Bundesfernsprechersystem (???). But in the evening I go to my hotel, and from there I must dial "77" to get an outside line. In this case, all of paragraph (3) applies, except I must also "set dial prefix 77" for local calls, "set dial prefix 770" for long-distance calls within Germany, and "set dial prefix 7700" for international calls. Now all of this is quite complex already. Is there a chance in the world that anybody will remember these points or use these features? Is there any way to make them simpler? If so, it is not obvious to me. One idea that suggests itself is to separate the notions of: 1. Prefix for long distance calls within the country I am in. 2. Prefix for calling outside the country I am in. 3. The area code of the area I am in. 4. Country code of the country I am in. 5. Country code for dialing in to each country from outside. 6. Area codes within any given country. Each entry in a portable dialing directory would contain items 5 and 6, whereas the user would have to "set" items 1 through 4 in order to dial at all. Which does not strike me as a simplification. Now let's add to all this the complication arising when one has a choice among several long-distance carriers and/or billing methods. It seems to me that the entire notion of a dialing directory begins to break down, since there is no longer a standard format for a telephone number, nor a standard procedure for dialing it. In some cases, the procedure strains the capabilities of most modems and software -- for example, by engaging in a voice dialog in which one waits for a spoken question and then, only after the question has been asked, one enter a DTMF or other response. Unless I am mistaken (which is quite possible) there is no simple and portable abstraction for a complete calling sequence, which may consist of: . prefix to get an outside line (maybe) . dialing prefix (local, long-distance, international, tie-line, etc) . long-distance-carrier access code (or not) . credit- or calling-card account number (or not) . country code (or not) . area code (or not) . the phone number itself . who knows what else -- an extension, a call-processing dialog, etc. The order of these items might vary, the procedure for making the transition from one to the next might vary, and so on. And, obviously, sensitive items such as calling-card numbers must NOT be entered in the dialing directory, but must be indicated by placeholders to substituted (or not!) at dial-time. So... given all the above, what can reasonably be expected of a dialing directory, and what kinds of simplifying assumptions or techniques can we use not only to implement it, but to make it easy to understand and therefore to use? I'm looking for ideas, opinions, and detailed information about dialing methods used in all parts of the world. Any information you send will be much appreciated and, hopefully, will end up making life easier (or harder) for modem users everywhere (or nowhere). Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 10 01:13:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 21:24:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Jul 1995 21:24:14 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Portable Dialing Directory Design Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 01:13:18 GMT Message-Id: References: <3tp5ma$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 19 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3125 comp.dcom.modems:101522 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tp5ma$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > >[Note: I posted this before, but it did not seem to "take". Apologies >in advance if it appears twice.] > >Hi everybody. I'm posting this message to some lists I don't usually >inhabit, as well as to some familiar ones, so let me begin by explaining >that I'm the principle author of C-Kermit communications software; I am >working on improving its modem and dialing support and need some guidance >and opinions from people who know more about telephony than I do. Rather than reinvent the wheel, why not do a PD subset of Microsoft TAPI? -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 10 12:26:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:26:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 08:26:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Portable Dialing Directory Design Date: 10 Jul 1995 12:26:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3tr6a6$c9q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tp5ma$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3126 comp.dcom.modems:101598 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >In article <3tp5ma$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : Frank da Cruz wrote: : >Hi everybody. I'm posting this message to some lists I don't usually : >inhabit, as well as to some familiar ones, so let me begin by explaining : >that I'm the principle author of C-Kermit communications software; I am : >working on improving its modem and dialing support and need some guidance : >and opinions from people who know more about telephony than I do. : : Rather than reinvent the wheel, why not do a PD subset of Microsoft TAPI? : Thanks, Chuck, that's one of the things we'll be looking at. I don't know that much about it yet, but "subset" seems to be the operative word since as far as I can tell, TAPI covers a lot more than making data calls with modems. It seems the hot item nowadays, and the one that is mentioned most often in connection with TAPI (and SOHO, whatever that is) is setting up of Windows-based "call centers" for voice calls. There's even a whole magazine devoted to this, called Computer Telephony. Also, I don't know yet whether TAPI addresses the questions I had about telephone-number formats in many countries, and I also don't know whether it allows for non-AT-command-set modems. But I'll do the research. Does anybody know if a TAPI description or specification is public and online somewhere, or must we send money to Uncle Bill? Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 7 22:26:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 16:59:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 16:59:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!dns.crocker.com!usenet From: mlucia@crocker.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 ckermit PM version????? Date: 7 Jul 1995 22:26:57 GMT Organization: Crocker Communciations (crocker.com) Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3tkcbh$pj1@dns.crocker.com> Reply-To: mlucia@crocker.com (Mark Lucia) Nntp-Posting-Host: iplink102.crocker.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I thought I read 'somewhere' that a future release of ckermit to OS/2 would be a PM version of the product and would include 'cool' stuff like scroll bars etc. True or my imagination??? Thankx From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 10 21:04:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 18:34:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 18:34:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!usenet From: caetta@biollante.jpl.nasa.gov (Jennifer Caetta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit, SunOS 4.1.4, direct connection Date: 10 Jul 1995 14:04:06 -0700 Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA Lines: 89 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3ts4k6$2cg@biollante.jpl.nasa.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: biollante.jpl.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to get two Sun Sparcstations to talk to each other over a direct serial line/null modem connection; I'm writing software which will use Kermit to talk to a piece of hardware which the second sun is imitating. My only problem is that I've done everything (I think *wry grin*) that the C-Kermit manual says (yes, I bought it), and I can't find a similar problem in the FAQ (If I just missed it, I apologize, but I *did* look...). Here's the settings of *both* sides of the sun: biollante:/home//caetta/mgs/kermit/biollante <38 > stty -a speed 9600 baud, 48 rows, 80 columns parenb -parodd cs7 -cstopb -hupcl cread -clocal crtscts -ignbrk brkint ignpar -parmrk -inpck istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl -iuclc -ixon ixany -ixoff imaxbel isig iexten icanon -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -tostop echoctl -echoprt echoke opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel erase kill werase rprnt flush lnext susp intr quit stop eof ^H ^U ^W ^R ^O ^V ^Z/^Y ^C ^\ ^S/^Q ^D And here's the kermit settings on *both* sides: C-Kermit>show comm Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/ttya, speed: 9600, mode: local, modem: none Terminal bits: 7, parity: even, duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake: none Carrier: off, lockfile: /var/spool/locks/LCK..ttya Escape character: 28 (^\) Dial directory: (none) Dial hangup: on, dial modem-hangup: on Dial kermit-spoof: off, dial display: off Dial speed-matching: on, dial mnp-enable: off Dial init-string: (none) Dial dial-command: (none) Dial prefix: (none) Dial timeout: 0 (auto), Redial number: (none) Carrier Detect (CD): Off Dataset Ready (DSR): Off Clear To Send (CTS): Off Ring Indicator (RI): Off Data Terminal Ready (DTR): On Request to Send (RTS): On I think I've done everything to tell the Sun (and C-Kermit) that this is a direct connection, with rts/cts flow control. I also actually *did* realize I had to switch the jumper inside the pizza box to make the sparcs use RS-232. However, this is the sending side: C-Kermit>send test.file ST%T%T%T%T%T%T%T%T%T%T%TE ?Too many retries. C-Kermit> And the receiving side (simultaneously): C-Kermit>receive TNTNTNTNTNTNTNTNTNTNTNTE ?Sent too many NAKs. I'm perfectly willing to admit I know very little about using the direct serial/null modems between Suns (gee, I tend to use tcp/ip..*Grin*), so if it's an obvious answer, go ahead and tell me because it's not so obvious to me *smile*. Please send responses directly to me (caetta@biollante.jpl.nasa.gov). Thanks a bunch in advance for all your help!! -Jennifer Caetta -- --feeling like the Swedish Chef w/ a hangover.... From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 10 21:47:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:04:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:04:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!usenet From: shell@mcs.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Lost vt220 functions in C-Kermit OS/2 Date: 10 Jul 1995 21:47:30 GMT Organization: MCSNet Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ts75i$op4@News1.mcs.net> Reply-To: knewman@mcs.com Nntp-Posting-Host: knewman.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu O.K. cKermit Gurus, I'm in big trouble. I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 to telnet to a HP-9000/720 system in vt220 mode. I must use vt TE or hp TE for the particular application that I use on the HP9000. Everything was working just fine (using 5A(191)) until I upgraded the application on the 9000. Now everytime I try to use the function keys I get OP when I press F1,OS when I press F2,etc. How do I fix this problem?? What do I need to set (or reset) to make F1=PF1, etc.? Thanks, Kevin Newman knewman@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 10 23:11:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26051 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:11:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:11:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 ckermit PM version????? Date: 10 Jul 1995 23:11:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3tsc36$2d1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tkcbh$pj1@dns.crocker.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tkcbh$pj1@dns.crocker.com>, wrote: : I thought I read 'somewhere' that a future release of ckermit to OS/2 : would be a PM version of the product and would include 'cool' stuff like : scroll bars etc. True or my imagination??? : True, but still in the future. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 10 23:20:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:20:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:20:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lost vt220 functions in C-Kermit OS/2 Date: 10 Jul 1995 23:20:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3tscjg$328@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ts75i$op4@News1.mcs.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ts75i$op4@News1.mcs.net>, wrote: >I'm in big trouble. I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 to telnet to a >HP-9000/720 system in vt220 mode. I must use vt TE or hp TE for the >particular application that I use on the HP9000. Everything was working >just fine (using 5A(191)) until I upgraded the application on the 9000. >Now everytime I try to use the function keys I get OP when I press F1,OS >when I press F2,etc. How do I fix this problem?? What do I need to set >(or reset) to make F1=PF1, etc.? > It sounds like you need to reset your application. Since you didn't change anything in Kermit, it is sending what it was sending before, right? The DEC PF1 key is supposed to send ESC O P when the (DEC) numeric keypad in application mode. Your application is (a) swallowing the escape, or (b) expecting the keypad to be in numeric mode but not putting it that way, or (c) expecting 8-bit key codes but OS/2 C-Kermit has not been told to "set terminal bytesize 8", or (d) under the impression that it is talking to an HP terminal and not a VT terminal. VIEW the CKERMIT.INF file for details about the numeric keypad. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 10 23:39:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:39:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 19:39:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit, SunOS 4.1.4, direct connection Date: 10 Jul 1995 23:39:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3tsdo3$41r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ts4k6$2cg@biollante.jpl.nasa.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ts4k6$2cg@biollante.jpl.nasa.gov>, Jennifer Caetta wrote: >I'm trying to get two Sun Sparcstations to talk to each other >over a direct serial line/null modem connection; I'm writing >software which will use Kermit to talk to a piece of hardware which >the second sun is imitating. > >My only problem is that I've done everything (I think *wry grin*) >that the C-Kermit manual says (yes, I bought it), and I can't find >a similar problem in the FAQ (If I just missed it, I apologize, but >I *did* look...). > Before proceeding... There are SO MANY things to rule out, that it's better to just start from scratch. . Are you really using a true null modem cable? . Did you tell BOTH C-Kermits to "set line /dev/ttya"? . Did you tell BOTH C-Kermits to "set speed 9600" and "set flow rts/cts"? . Are you sure? . Might there be a getty running on any of the ports involved? The best way to debug this type of connection is to put both Kermit programs in CONNECT mode and type stuff. Whatever you type on computer A should show up on computer B's screen, and vice versa. If not, then the most likely problems are listed above. RTS/CTS is not necessarily well implemented in all version of SunOS. Does "set flow none" make a difference? Once you get CONNECT mode working, file transfer should also work. If you have any more problems, send details to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 10 20:21:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 20:01:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 20:01:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Portable Dialing Directory Design Date: 10 Jul 1995 15:21:46 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 84 Message-Id: <3ts24q$t76@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3tp5ma$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3133 comp.dcom.modems:101675 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tp5ma$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >For a dialing directory to be "portable", it should work no matter where >you are calling from: The free unix Hylafax software (sgi.com:/sgi/fax/) handles this with a "dialrules" file that consists of lists of regexp substitutions that are applied in order along with some simple variable expansions. Three separate sets are used to determine the actual number dialed by the modem, the "visible" representation as might be used on a cover page, and a canonical form used for logfile names. This is a bit cumbersome to set up, but it's the only thing I've seen that actually works. >3. The DIAL PREFIX. This is used for specifying a code to be dialed in > order to get an outside line, e.g. when dialing from a PBX or hotel room. > In other words, this is a prefix to be ADDED to the beginning of the > phone number that is extracted from the dialing directory. What if you are behind a PBX and send to another extension? The hylafax system can be tuned to recognize local extensions and dial them without adding the prefix, and still use the same logfile as it would if you dialed the number through an outside line. >If a person always dials from the same place, then each number can be >entered in the dialing directory in exactly the way the person dials it: >local, long-distance, tie-line, internal PBX number, etc. That is what we >had before, and it works for most people. If you define a standard PREFIX and AREA CODE to be assumed within the dialing directory, then you can recognize them and allow them to be used or omitted so people can use the number they would commonly dial from their office phone or not. >But to meet the needs of those who travel around with their dialing >directories, or for that matter to construct dialing directories which >themselves are portable, e.g. to be shipped to people in diverse locations >throughout the world, what is the least amount of complexity and >"knowledge" we can get away with? Then instead of changing the PREFIX and AREA CODE you have different on-the-road versions. You can undo the assumptions made at the office to construct a canonical form, then re-do the dialing procedure needed for the current location. Hylafax doesn't have a handy way to add variables without editing the dialrules file, but the processing could be done with the mechanism provided. >Now all of this is quite complex already. Is there a chance in the world >that anybody will remember these points or use these features? Is there any >way to make them simpler? If so, it is not obvious to me. It gets worse. We can prefix calls out of the PBX with #7nnn (where nnn is another extension) to internally bill the call to a different number which is extremely handy for shared modems on a computer. The regexp based substitutions let me recognize this as a special case and move it out of the way while performing the other steps. I'm not sure if anyone else is perverse enough to actually use rules like this, though. >One idea that suggests itself is to separate the notions of: > > 1. Prefix for long distance calls within the country I am in. > 2. Prefix for calling outside the country I am in. > 3. The area code of the area I am in. > 4. Country code of the country I am in. > 5. Country code for dialing in to each country from outside. > 6. Area codes within any given country. If you have to build any concepts in, it should cover how to build a canonical form out of any likely local representation, then how to dial the canonical form from any likely locality. That will ensure that you can use a canonical form (+country...) in the directories without any new problems. That means you need to recognize numbers with/without any combination of pbx-prefix, ld-prefix, country-code, and area code, removing the local versions, then putting back what you need for the canonical number. And this still leaves the problem of calling another extension on your PBX. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 02:28:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 22:56:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Jul 1995 22:56:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.mcgill.ca!gibbs!ronis From: ronis@gibbs.chem.mcgill.ca (David Ronis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Tektronics Emulation & Flow Control Date: 11 Jul 1995 02:28:15 GMT Organization: McGill University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3tsnjv$cdj@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.chem.mcgill.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use kermit (MS-DOS version 3.14 Patch level 0) to connect to our Sun's at work through a 14.4 Sportster Modem. It works flawlessly for file transfers, and ascii (VT100, etc.) termial sessions. However, I have a program that switches kermit to Tektronics emulation and then tries to plot a graph. If the graph is small, all works as expected, but if the graph is complicated, then what invariably happens is that the first part comes out correctly, while the latter is all messed up. What appears to happen that part of the input stream is lost or corrupted. The line I use is clean, and file transfers usually happen with no retries. Is there something strange in the way kermit handles Xon/Xoff in Tektronics mode? Alternately is there something special I should be doing the stty on the Unix end? Any help would be appreciated. David Ronis From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 04:23:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 00:29:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 00:29:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!usenet From: shell@mcs.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lost vt220 functions in C-Kermit OS/2 Date: 11 Jul 1995 04:23:32 GMT Organization: MCSNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3tsuc4$bsq@News1.mcs.net> References: <3ts75i$op4@News1.mcs.net> <3tscjg$328@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: shell@mcs.net Nntp-Posting-Host: knewman.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >It sounds like you need to reset your application. Since you didn't >change anything in Kermit, it is sending what it was sending before, >right? > >The DEC PF1 key is supposed to send ESC O P when the (DEC) numeric keypad >in application mode. Your application is (a) swallowing the escape, or >(b) expecting the keypad to be in numeric mode but not putting it that >way, or (c) expecting 8-bit key codes but OS/2 C-Kermit has not been told >to "set terminal bytesize 8", or (d) under the impression that it is >talking to an HP terminal and not a VT terminal. > >VIEW the CKERMIT.INF file for details about the numeric keypad. a) Probably! b) How can I find out if it expects the keypad to be in numberic mode? When I do a show terminal at the kermit prompt the Keypad-mode is numeric. c) I set both the terminal and command bytesize to 8 bits. d) Not likely because this app turns the screen into a scrable game when when its confused about the terminal type. (I've done this by setting the term value to hp with a vt emulator.) Since kermit is sending the same codes before (working) and after (non working) the application update, I need to do something to overide the behavior of the app. Is there any way to modify the ckovtk2.ini file to send two escapes (instead of one) to temporarily fix my problem? Thanks, Kevin Newman knewman@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 04:54:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15160 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 01:24:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 01:24:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca!dddau From: dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca (Doug Dau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3.13 Expression Eval Fails In 3.14 Date: 11 Jul 1995 04:54:36 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3tt06c$3do@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The following MSK 3.13 macro which iterates through a list of phone numbers, dialing each one in turn until it either gets a connection or fails to connect to any of the numbers, is failing when I try to run it under the May 21/95 patch level 8 version of MSK 3.14. COM MACRO TO MANAGE DIALING A LIST OF PHONE NUMBERS. def TRY set count \v(argc),if count,- :NXT,clear both,hangup,assign _dialnum \%\v(count),dial,if succ end 0,if count go :NXT,- def \%z f where the macro would be invoked as try phoneno1 phoneno2 phoneno3 ... phoneno9 The problem seems to trace down to how the expression assign _dialnum \%\v(count) is evaluated. Formerly it would evaluate to the phone number associated with the argument being pointed to by "count" (don't believe the syntax was quite kosher according to the manual but it worked). Under 3.14 the best I can do is get the expression to evaluate to the symbolic arguments (\%9, \%8, etc) if I code the fragment as assign _dialnum \\\{37}\v(count) so it looks like 3.13 rescans and reduces the expression until there is nothing left to substitute while 3.14 just scans the expression once and quits. Can anyone tell me if the above expression is being evaluated properly for MSK 3.14, and if so, is there another way to rewrite the expression to produce the desired result? -- Doug Dau Internet: dddau@acs.ucalgary.ca University Computing Services Phone: 403-220-6217 University of Calgary Fax: 403-282-9199 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 12:34:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 08:34:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 08:34:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lost vt220 functions in C-Kermit OS/2 Date: 11 Jul 1995 12:34:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3ttr3t$fkt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ts75i$op4@News1.mcs.net> <3tscjg$328@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3tsuc4$bsq@News1.mcs.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tsuc4$bsq@News1.mcs.net>, wrote: : >The DEC PF1 key is supposed to send ESC O P when the (DEC) numeric keypad : >in application mode. Your application is (a) swallowing the escape, or : >(b) expecting the keypad to be in numeric mode but not putting it that : >way, or (c) expecting 8-bit key codes but OS/2 C-Kermit has not been told : >to "set terminal bytesize 8", or (d) under the impression that it is : >talking to an HP terminal and not a VT terminal. : : a) Probably! : b) How can I find out if it expects the keypad to be in numberic mode? : When I do a show terminal at the kermit prompt the Keypad-mode : is numeric. : You can't tell by looking. Tell Kermit to "set term keypad application" and see if the PF keys suddenly start to work. : c) I set both the terminal and command bytesize to 8 bits. : d) Not likely because this app turns the screen into a scrable game when : when its confused about the terminal type. (I've done this by : setting the term value to hp with a vt emulator.) : : Since kermit is sending the same codes before (working) and after (non : working) the application update, I need to do something to overide the : behavior of the app. Is there any way to modify the ckovtk2.ini file to : send two escapes (instead of one) to temporarily fix my problem? : I would be surprised if this fixed it, but it's worth a try: set key \315 \27\KPF1 This assigns to the PC's F1 key (\315) the sequence Escape (\27) and then the \KPF1 verb, whose action depends on the terminal keypad mode. You might want to check other apps on your system. Do the same function keys still work with them? (Maybe when installing the new HP app, the termcap/terminfo database was changed.) Also be sure to use SHOW KEY in Kermit to make sure that you have not inadvertantly changed your key definitions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 12:36:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 09:15:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 09:15:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!news.nlr.nl!mvdberg From: mvdberg@nlr.nl (berg m. van den) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: using ZMODEM protocol with kermit Date: 11 Jul 1995 12:36:47 GMT Organization: The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3ttr8v$aci@nlrgup.nlr.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: uxmain_fddi.nlr.nl X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello I'm using ckermit5A(190) on a unix system. This system also has rz for zmodem protocol. According to file ckurzsz.ini it is possible to use that program. So I "take" this ini file before connecting to the BBS. On the BBS I give the command to download a file with the ZMODEM protocol (this BBS doesn't support kermit). After starting the transfer I return to the local kermit and enter the rz command. This is what happens: C-Kermit>rz rz ready. To begin transfer, type "sz file ..." to your modem program Incoming: flora.zip 88599 5377444470 100400 Receiving flora.zip BIN w 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Bad CRC 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long C-Kermit> You see nothing is to be transferred. What is wrong ? What kind of configuration should I use? BTW. I connect to this BBS via telnet to an outcall modem connected at a cisco 500-cs. Greetings, Meindert van den Berg. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 01:17:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08355 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 09:56:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 09:56:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tektronics Emulation & Flow Control Message-Id: <1995Jul11.071715.55790@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jul 95 07:17:15 MDT References: <3tsnjv$cdj@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tsnjv$cdj@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>, ronis@gibbs.chem.mcgill.ca (David Ronis) writes: > I use kermit (MS-DOS version 3.14 Patch level 0) to connect to > our Sun's at work through a 14.4 Sportster Modem. It works > flawlessly for file transfers, and ascii (VT100, etc.) termial sessions. > > However, I have a program that switches kermit to Tektronics emulation > and then tries to plot a graph. If the graph is small, all works as > expected, but if the graph is complicated, then what invariably > happens is that the first part comes out correctly, while the latter > is all messed up. What appears to happen that part of the input stream > is lost or corrupted. The line I use is clean, and file transfers > usually happen with no retries. > > Is there something strange in the way kermit handles Xon/Xoff in Tektronics > mode? Alternately is there something special I should be doing the stty > on the Unix end? ------------ Flow control in Kermit is independent of Tek mode. It may well be that your host echos received XON/XOFF flow control bytes and that would certainly mess up the works. In addition, if you use only end to end flow control the comms line equipment can drain its buffer capacity without being blocked, and that's not good. Please use point to point flow control, and the best of these is RTS/CTS hardware flow control between your PC and modem. Recall that the remote host must be flow controlled too, somehow. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 01:26:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 09:57:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 09:57:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.13 Expression Eval Fails In 3.14 Message-Id: <1995Jul11.072608.55791@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jul 95 07:26:08 MDT References: <3tt06c$3do@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tt06c$3do@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca>, dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca (Doug Dau) writes: > The following MSK 3.13 macro which iterates through a list of > phone numbers, dialing each one in turn until it either gets a > connection or fails to connect to any of the numbers, is failing > when I try to run it under the May 21/95 patch level 8 version of > MSK 3.14. > > COM MACRO TO MANAGE DIALING A LIST OF PHONE NUMBERS. > def TRY set count \v(argc),if count,- > :NXT,clear both,hangup,assign _dialnum \%\v(count),dial,if succ end 0,if count go :NXT,- ^^^^---------- Nope. The name of the label is NXT, not :NXT. > def \%z f > > where the macro would be invoked as > > try phoneno1 phoneno2 phoneno3 ... phoneno9 > > The problem seems to trace down to how the expression > > assign _dialnum \%\v(count) > > is evaluated. Formerly it would evaluate to the phone number > associated with the argument being pointed to by "count" (don't > believe the syntax was quite kosher according to the manual but > it worked). Under 3.14 the best I can do is get the expression > to evaluate to the symbolic arguments (\%9, \%8, etc) if I code > the fragment as > > assign _dialnum \\\{37}\v(count) > > so it looks like 3.13 rescans and reduces the expression until > there is nothing left to substitute while 3.14 just scans the > expression once and quits. There is different parser logic in MSK 3.14. As you have noted, it does depth first recursion but it no longer backs up to reparse the whole command line every time. I suggest you deal with explicit strings if possible, rather than \% substitution variables. Amongst other aspects \% become command line arguments when invoking other macros. Then use string concatenation to form the target phone number string. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 14:00:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 10:38:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 10:38:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!cais2.cais.com!duffy From: duffy@cais2.cais.com (Duffy Men) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP!! kermit not work with TCP/IP .. Date: 11 Jul 1995 14:00:08 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3tu058$hlf@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais2.cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just download the Kermit 3.14 DOS version. I tried to use "telnet host" and has error message "cannot access IP type packets" and 'Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quiting". I modify the "mscustom.ini" file to fit my IP address and domain address. It still the same. Can anyone tell me why? From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 14:55:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 10:59:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 10:59:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!wcbst4 From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit in ODI Date: 11 Jul 1995 14:55:58 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3tu3du$a16@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unixs2.cis.pitt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu After spending an absurd amount of time trying to figure out why I couldn't get MSKermit working with LAN Workplace, I came to a realization: The Instructions in the /NETWORKS directory need help. All I had to do was modify my NET.CFG file. The setup.doc file talks about using different frames, but I was already using Ethernet_II. I ignored the other differences in the file because I expected differences between the sample file and my own. I got everything to work when I added the Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II lines to the NET.CFG file. The setup file talks about not mixing up IP and IPX, but I took this as a general warning to pay attention, not a notice to add the protocol lines from the sample. -- -- Finger wcbst4+@pitt.edu for my PGP public key. Home - http://www.pitt.edu/~wcbst4 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 02:40:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12769 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:07:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26857 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:07:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS TCP/IP to Linux Message-Id: <1995Jul11.084001.55801@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jul 95 08:40:01 MDT References: <3ttrct$q4e@Pulsar.Tach.Net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 76 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ttrct$q4e@Pulsar.Tach.Net>, "Corey A. Johnson" writes: > Okay, I am about to lose my mind... I am not very experienced with > TCP/IP (as you are about to determine) and I seem to be having problems > doing the simplest things... Sympathy. I'm very experienced in some things and still have trouble with the simple parts now and then. Something about being too obvious to see. > My goal is to be able to telnet from my DOS PC to my Linux system via > an ethernet LAN using 3COM 509 NICs. I configured TCP/IP on Linux and it > *seems* to be working correct... (how can I be sure?) I don't get any > errors at boot... The IP addresses I used should be fine, because it is > only the two systems on the net... I am not 100% sure about the hosts > files and such... but I went through them all and they *seem* correct... > But when I try to telnet from MS-Kermit on my DOS PC, I get the messages > about Host must be down, and unable to resolve host name... Maybe > MS-Kermit isn't configured correctly... Guess: you are refering to hosts by NAME rather than IP NUMBER, and you have no Domain Name Server facility on the net to translate between them. MS-DOS Kermit uses no "hosts" file; it does use DNS facilities. If you are totally isolated from the IP world then you can run "named" on the Linux box to perform DNS. Otherwise use the nameservers provided by your Internet connection agency. Finally, recall that MS-DOS Kermit (and C Kermit) have nifty string stubsititution variables and macros so that you can say FOO at the command prompt and have macro FOO hold Set Port TCP 111.222.123.212, Connect or whatever. That does the IP stuff by number yet saves you typing. It's in the manual. > I am using ODI drivers, is this the best method? I am not using any > other protocol, just IP, ARP and RARP... to start the protocols I have a > batch file: > > lsl.com > 3C5X9.com > ipxodi.com > > My net.cfg file is: > The two lines below are unnecessary. BIND is an abiguity resolver and there are no alternatives below to choose amongst. > protocol KERMIT > bind 3C5X9 > > Link Support > Buffers 6 1600 > > Link Driver 3C5X9 > INT 10 > PORT 300 > FRAME Ethernet_II > Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II > Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II > Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II Looks fine. > I do not IPX/SPX, just the above protocols... but when ipxodi is > executed, it says that protocol 8137 (ipx/spx) is bound to the NIC... > shouldn't that be IP (0800) instead? What am I doing wrong? Am i going > about this the wrong way? Should I use some other method instead of ODI? IPXODI is Novell's IPX protocol stack. It uses IPX packets (how could we tell?) and not IP. Thus the protocol number of 8137 is proper. IPXODI isn't needed unless you wish to use IPX packets. And yes, ODI is a good choice for a board handler. Keep in mind that some builds of Linux have reported ARP cache problems. I don't run Linux so I cannot provide details. But keep an eye peeled. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 12:38:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:15:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:15:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!Pulsar.Tach.Net!news From: "Corey A. Johnson" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS TCP/IP to Linux Date: 11 Jul 1995 12:38:53 GMT Organization: Mercedes Homes, INC. Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3ttrct$q4e@Pulsar.Tach.Net> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercedes.surf.tach.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay, I am about to lose my mind... I am not very experienced with TCP/IP (as you are about to determine) and I seem to be having problems doing the simplest things... My goal is to be able to telnet from my DOS PC to my Linux system via an ethernet LAN using 3COM 509 NICs. I configured TCP/IP on Linux and it *seems* to be working correct... (how can I be sure?) I don't get any errors at boot... The IP addresses I used should be fine, because it is only the two systems on the net... I am not 100% sure about the hosts files and such... but I went through them all and they *seem* correct... But when I try to telnet from MS-Kermit on my DOS PC, I get the messages about Host must be down, and unable to resolve host name... Maybe MS-Kermit isn't configured correctly... I am using ODI drivers, is this the best method? I am not using any other protocol, just IP, ARP and RARP... to start the protocols I have a batch file: lsl.com 3C5X9.com ipxodi.com My net.cfg file is: protocol KERMIT bind 3C5X9 Link Support Buffers 6 1600 Link Driver 3C5X9 INT 10 PORT 300 FRAME Ethernet_II Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II I do not IPX/SPX, just the above protocols... but when ipxodi is executed, it says that protocol 8137 (ipx/spx) is bound to the NIC... shouldn't that be IP (0800) instead? What am I doing wrong? Am i going about this the wrong way? Should I use some other method instead of ODI? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated... Dazed and Confused Corey From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 15:24:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:45:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00864 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:45:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!usenet From: zollner@iastate.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKERMIT 3.14 and TCP/IP stacks from IBM Date: 11 Jul 1995 15:24:29 GMT Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3tu53d$jf6@news.iastate.edu> Reply-To: zollner@iastate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zollner.ssp.ameslab.gov X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have read all the documentation files in mskermit.zip. It seems that MSKERMIT 3.14 should be able to use an existing TCP/IP stack, but there are no specific instructions how to find the stack. (I don't know which interrupt is used by my stack.) Particularly, I am interested in telling MSKERMIT to use the IBM TCP/IP stack. Specifically, I am interested in the following: 1) Can MSKERMIT run over the IBM TCP/IP for DOS stack ? 2) Can MSKERMIT run over the stack provided by the TCP/IP DOS/Windows access kit 2.0, together with the TCP/IP for OS/2 2.0, and OS/2 2.1. 3) Can MSKERMIT run over the stack provided by the TCP/IP DOS access kit included in WARP CONNECT ? Obviously, 3) would be the best solution for me and 1) the worst. But I am willing to settle for anything. If you would like to know some reasons why I am running MSKERMIT on OS/2 (and not C-Kermit), I suggest you take a look at the OS/2 section in KERMIT.BWR. I tried 3), but had the following errors: -- unknown address for port, assuming \x03F8 -- unknown packet driver, assuming BIOS1. What do these messages mean ? If 1-3 all fail, there is another possibility: 4) Can I run MSKERMIT using the INT 14h interceptor included in the IBM TCP/IP 2.0 DOS access kit together with the TCP/IP 2.0 base for OS/2 and OS/2 2.1. 5) Is such an INT 14h interceptor included with WARP CONNECT ? Part of the reason I can't figure this out is the fact the manuals that come with WARP really suck. TCP/IP 2.0 had very good documentation (in book manager format), but there is hardly any documentation with WARP CONNECT (in hardcopy or softcopy format). Do I have to buy the softdocs for WARP CONNECT separately ? ************************************************************************ * Stefan Zollner, Assistant Professor and Associate Physicist * * Iowa State University/Ames Laboratory, A205 Physics, Ames, IA 50011 * * zollner@iastate.edu Phone: (515) 294-7327 FAX: (515) 294-0689 * ************************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 15:54:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:54:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01848 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:54:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP!! kermit not work with TCP/IP .. Date: 11 Jul 1995 15:54:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3tu6s1$1pf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tu058$hlf@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tu058$hlf@news.cais.com>, Duffy Men wrote: : I just download the Kermit 3.14 DOS version. I tried to use "telnet : host" and has error message "cannot access IP type packets" and 'Unable : to initialize TCP/IP system, quiting". I modify the "mscustom.ini" file : to fit my IP address and domain address. It still the same. Can anyone : tell me why? : Please read the network setup instructions in NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC. If you have done that and still have problems, then ask again with more specifics as to whether you are running in DOS or Windows, which kind of network board driver you are running and how it was invoked, what kind of network you are on, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 16:38:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 12:55:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06474 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 12:54:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.lth.se!neptunus-1!d93ak From: d93ak@efd.lth.se (Anders Karlsson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: What is FOOBAR Date: 11 Jul 1995 16:38:41 GMT Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden Lines: 3 Sender: d93ak%neptunus-1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Anders Karlsson) Message-Id: <3tu9eh$a1m@nic.lth.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: neptunus-1.efd.lth.se Nntp-Posting-User: d93ak Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anybody know what FOOBAR error means? Thanks Anders Karlsson From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 18:11:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:49:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:49:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!usenet From: zollner@iastate.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP!! kermit not work with TCP/IP .. Date: 11 Jul 1995 18:11:34 GMT Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3tuesm$o4d@news.iastate.edu> References: <3tu058$hlf@news.cais.com> <1995Jul11.093633.55816@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: zollner@iastate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zollner.ssp.ameslab.gov X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Jul11.093633.55816@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Yes, you don't have the lan adapter handler (ODI, Packet Driver) >stuff configured properly. Please review the networking notes distributed >with MSK and follow the examples carefully. If you are using ODI then >pay very careful attention to syntax because there is no originality >permitted in net.cfg. > Joe D. Is there an example for how to use a third-party TCP/IP stack (for example from IBM)? The only third-party stack mentioned is from FTP Inc, and that needs an extra switch. Is there an (undocumented) switch for the IBM TCP/IP stack? ************************************************************************ * Stefan Zollner, Assistant Professor and Associate Physicist * * Iowa State University/Ames Laboratory, A205 Physics, Ames, IA 50011 * * zollner@iastate.edu Phone: (515) 294-7327 FAX: (515) 294-0689 * ************************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 18:58:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:58:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:58:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is FOOBAR Date: 11 Jul 1995 18:58:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3tuhku$g8f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tu9eh$a1m@nic.lth.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tu9eh$a1m@nic.lth.se>, Anders Karlsson wrote: >Does anybody know what FOOBAR error means? > I don't think this is an error message from a Kermit program (is it?). It means Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition (or worse :-). The "U" was changed to "OO" for some reason that is, no doubt, explained someplace like The Hackers Dictionary. Its origins are, I believe, among World War II American or British soldiers. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 03:36:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:57:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21533 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:57:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP!! kermit not work with TCP/IP .. Message-Id: <1995Jul11.093633.55816@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jul 95 09:36:33 MDT References: <3tu058$hlf@news.cais.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tu058$hlf@news.cais.com>, duffy@cais2.cais.com (Duffy Men) writes: > I just download the Kermit 3.14 DOS version. I tried to use "telnet > host" and has error message "cannot access IP type packets" and 'Unable > to initialize TCP/IP system, quiting". I modify the "mscustom.ini" file > to fit my IP address and domain address. It still the same. Can anyone > tell me why? ------------ Yes, you don't have the lan adapter handler (ODI, Packet Driver) stuff configured properly. Please review the networking notes distributed with MSK and follow the examples carefully. If you are using ODI then pay very careful attention to syntax because there is no originality permitted in net.cfg. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 20:43:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 16:43:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 16:43:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 11 Jul 1995 20:43:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36098 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3151 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu>, wrote: >I have read all the documentation files in mskermit.zip. It seems >that MSKERMIT 3.14 should be able to use an existing TCP/IP stack, but >there are no specific instructions how to find the stack. (I >don't know which interrupt is used by my stack.) Particularly, >I am interested in telling MSKERMIT to use the IBM TCP/IP stack. > >Specifically, I am interested in the following: > >1) Can MSKERMIT run over the IBM TCP/IP for DOS stack ? > Only if it provides an Int 14 or BAPI style redirector. >2) Can MSKERMIT run over the stack provided by the TCP/IP DOS/Windows > access kit 2.0, together with the TCP/IP for OS/2 2.0, and OS/2 2.1. > Maybe if you boot DOS from a floppy in a DOS window of OS/2. Otherwise probably not. And it would only work through a redirector. >3) Can MSKERMIT run over the stack provided by the TCP/IP DOS access kit > included in WARP CONNECT ? > Like (2). >Obviously, 3) would be the best solution for me and 1) the worst. But I >am willing to settle for anything. If you would like to know some reasons >why I am running MSKERMIT on OS/2 (and not C-Kermit), I suggest you take >a look at the OS/2 section in KERMIT.BWR. > So I take it you need Tek emulation, or else Chinese DOS. There have been mixed reports, by the way, about OS/2 C-Kermit and DBCS. If that's your requirement, you might be able to get by with "set term bytesize 8" and "set term char transparent", assuming you have a Chinese code page loaded. Tek emulation will come to C-Kermit eventually. >4) Can I run MSKERMIT using the INT 14h interceptor included in the > IBM TCP/IP 2.0 DOS access kit together with the TCP/IP 2.0 base for OS/2 > and OS/2 2.1. > Maybe. Give it a try. >5) Is such an INT 14h interceptor included with WARP CONNECT ? > >Part of the reason I can't figure this out is the fact the manuals that >come with WARP really suck. TCP/IP 2.0 had very good documentation (in >book manager format), but there is hardly any documentation with WARP >CONNECT (in hardcopy or softcopy format). Do I have to buy the softdocs for >WARP CONNECT separately ? > Dunno. The only report I have had of making TELNET connections from OS/2 using MS-DOS Kermit involve using the DOS window as if it really were DOS -- running the packet driver, and then Kermit over it. This almost certainly means that you would have to shut down IBM TCP/IP and all other OS/2 networking. But I can't swear to it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 04:56:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06306 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 17:36:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 17:36:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKERMIT 3.14 and TCP/IP stacks from IBM Message-Id: <1995Jul11.105643.55821@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jul 95 10:56:43 MDT References: <3tu53d$jf6@news.iastate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 59 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tu53d$jf6@news.iastate.edu>, zollner@iastate.edu writes: > I have read all the documentation files in mskermit.zip. It seems > that MSKERMIT 3.14 should be able to use an existing TCP/IP stack, but > there are no specific instructions how to find the stack. (I > don't know which interrupt is used by my stack.) Particularly, > I am interested in telling MSKERMIT to use the IBM TCP/IP stack. > > Specifically, I am interested in the following: > > 1) Can MSKERMIT run over the IBM TCP/IP for DOS stack ? Not directly, for two reasons. 1. IBM's stack is for OS/2 protected mode programs only (we presume that's the stack you are using), and that has nothing to do with real mode DOS work. 2. One does not "just use" an external protocol stack because such items require (by their design) proprietary interfacing procedures to be built into the application. MS-DOS Kermit can't use such methods. > 2) Can MSKERMIT run over the stack provided by the TCP/IP DOS/Windows > access kit 2.0, together with the TCP/IP for OS/2 2.0, and OS/2 2.1. MS-DOS Kermit has its own internal TCP/IP stack which works rather well. But that is for a real mode environment, not within another o/s. The answer is no. > 3) Can MSKERMIT run over the stack provided by the TCP/IP DOS access kit > included in WARP CONNECT ? See above. No. > Obviously, 3) would be the best solution for me and 1) the worst. But I > am willing to settle for anything. If you would like to know some reasons > why I am running MSKERMIT on OS/2 (and not C-Kermit), I suggest you take > a look at the OS/2 section in KERMIT.BWR. > > I tried 3), but had the following errors: > -- unknown address for port, assuming \x03F8 > -- unknown packet driver, assuming BIOS1. > What do these messages mean ? It means you tried to access the serial port and OS/2 denied access to the port. Please see your OS/2 documentation about revealing serial ports to DOS applications. > If 1-3 all fail, there is another possibility: > > 4) Can I run MSKERMIT using the INT 14h interceptor included in the > IBM TCP/IP 2.0 DOS access kit together with the TCP/IP 2.0 base for OS/2 > and OS/2 2.1. Worth a try. Since you have the material you get to find the answer. SET PORT BIOS1 is the command to give to MSK. > 5) Is such an INT 14h interceptor included with WARP CONNECT ? Dunno. I don't have Warp; I have only v2.1. If you have Warp then you also have the answer. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 04:47:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 18:14:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 17:36:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in ODI Message-Id: <1995Jul11.104756.55820@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jul 95 10:47:55 MDT References: <3tu3du$a16@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tu3du$a16@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle) writes: > After spending an absurd amount of time trying to figure out why I > couldn't get MSKermit working with LAN Workplace, I came to a realization: > The Instructions in the /NETWORKS directory need help. All I had to do > was modify my NET.CFG file. The setup.doc file talks about using > different frames, but I was already using Ethernet_II. I ignored the > other differences in the file because I expected differences between the > sample file and my own. I got everything to work when I added the > Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II > Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II > Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II > lines to the NET.CFG file. The setup file talks about not mixing up IP > and IPX, but I took this as a general warning to pay attention, not a > notice to add the protocol lines from the sample. ------------ How many ways does one need to say "pay attention, follow the rules, don't be creative here"? The examples are there for very good reasons and are usable. Glad you succeeded, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 18:09:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19430 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 23:13:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08223 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 23:13:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!usenet From: zollner@iastate.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP!! kermit not work with TCP/IP .. Date: 11 Jul 1995 18:09:24 GMT Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3tueok$o4d@news.iastate.edu> References: <3tu058$hlf@news.cais.com> <3tu6s1$1pf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: zollner@iastate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zollner.ssp.ameslab.gov X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3tu6s1$1pf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >Please read the network setup instructions in NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC. > >If you have done that and still have problems, then ask again with more >specifics as to whether you are running in DOS or Windows, which kind of >network board driver you are running and how it was invoked, what kind of >network you are on, etc. > >- Frank I am not the original poster, but I HAVE read SETUP.DOC carefully. Unfortunately, I could not find any information how to use some of the third-party TCP/IP stacks (such as the one from IBM). I I am not using ODI. Instead, I want to use the IBM stack. Can I do this ? If so, where is this documented? The online docs for KERMIT only talk about how to communicate with IBM mainframes. They don't seem to say anything about IBM TCP/IP stacks. ************************************************************************ * Stefan Zollner, Assistant Professor and Associate Physicist * * Iowa State University/Ames Laboratory, A205 Physics, Ames, IA 50011 * * zollner@iastate.edu Phone: (515) 294-7327 FAX: (515) 294-0689 * ************************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 12 03:24:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 23:54:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Jul 1995 23:54:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!ccnet.com!ccnet.com!not-for-mail From: davidm@ccnet.com (David MacMahon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit - remote query bug? Date: 11 Jul 1995 20:24:55 -0700 Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3tvfa7$oej@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccnet X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-DOS Kermit (v3.14 patch level 8) to dial into a Sun (running Solaris 2.3) where I run C-Kermit 5A(190). Once connected I put the remote kermit (i.e. on the Sun) into server mode then escape back (Alt-X) to my local kermit prompt. I then proceed with the following dialog... [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>remote assign \%a foo [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>remote query user \%a Message: foo [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>echo \v(query) foo [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>set display quiet [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>remote query user \%a [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>echo \v(query) [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>set display regular [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>echo \v(query) [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit> It seems that remote query doesn't work if set display quiet is in effect. Has anybody else seen this? Is this a feature or a bug or have I been working too long on this? Any and all help on this matter greatly appreciated! Dave David MacMahon davidm@ccnet.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 09:08:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 06:16:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02704 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 06:16:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP!! kermit not work with TCP/IP .. Message-Id: <1995Jul11.150836.55845@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jul 95 15:08:36 MDT References: <3tu058$hlf@news.cais.com> <1995Jul11.093633.55816@cc.usu.edu> <3tuesm$o4d@news.iastate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 68 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tuesm$o4d@news.iastate.edu>, zollner@iastate.edu writes: > In <1995Jul11.093633.55816@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> Yes, you don't have the lan adapter handler (ODI, Packet Driver) >>stuff configured properly. Please review the networking notes distributed >>with MSK and follow the examples carefully. If you are using ODI then >>pay very careful attention to syntax because there is no originality >>permitted in net.cfg. >> Joe D. > > Is there an example for how to use a third-party TCP/IP stack (for example > from IBM)? The only third-party stack mentioned is from FTP Inc, and that > needs an extra switch. Is there an (undocumented) switch for the IBM > TCP/IP stack? -------------------- Ok, let's try this again. There are, I believe, two (2) IBM TCP/IP stacks: for OS/2 and for DOS, or in other words protected mode and real mode. Protected mode clients stand a chance of using the protected mode stack, if built right, but not the real mode one. And similarly, real mode clients stand a chance of using the real mode stack, if built right, but not the other one. End of part one. Begin part two, "if built right." These stacks, and similarly for almost all commerical stacks, do not provide an Int 14h interface or similar by themselves. They have a proprietary set of calls (and usually an interrupt) which joins them with matching library modules built into the client application. The library is also proprietary. The client/lib to/from stack transfer mechanism is proprietary. The top end of the library usually provides a BSD sockets interface for the client software. That software must be linked (.obj modules, Link command) with the library to be a functional executable. Now for the discussion and conclusions section, long. MS-DOS Kermit cannot be built holding commercial/proprietary libraries, and it cannot shield vendors from exposing all source code involved. MS-DOS Kermit is a real mode program, with Windows/DV/OS2 smarts but not dependent on them. It is not a protected mode program, to restate the obvious. MS-DOS Kermit works well with FTP Inc's DOS TCP/IP offerings, because we want it to be so. But that means we go through the FTP TNGLASS Int 14h module provided by FTP, even though I have their library material (complements of FTP Inc, with much thanks by the way). MSK works with Novell's LWP/DOS stack, by design, ditto. And with Beame and Whiteside's TCP/IP suite, by design, and ditto. These are all DOS/real mode stacks. Each involves a vendor provided interface module which is publically documented and requires no vendor modules within Kermit. B&W has a full function suite available via an interrupt which MSK uses. It's not that we (Kermit) are being picky, but we are dependent on contributions to make progress with commercial offerings (else out of my personal pocket). The above vendors have been most generous with assistance. We cannot make the Kermit code dependent on anyone's commercial material, both because folks need to be able to build or redistribute Kermit without third party copyright/license restrictions and their libraries, and because we (Kermit) cannot protect proprietary material from public view in the distribution products. That means we can't do some nifty things with these nice TCP suites, but that's the way it is right now. But we do work with them in other ways, and their customers are the beneficiaries (which is the whole idea). MS-DOS Kermit works with other protocol stacks via public interface mechanisms: DECnet's CTERM and LAT, Novell's NASI/NACS, Meridian Technology's SuperLAT, Interconnections TES, variations on NetBIOS, etc. If your (IBM or whatever) TCP/IP stack provides a real mode Int 14h or similar interface module then MSK should work with it out of the box. If it does not then sys$error:does_not_work. I hope this clarifies the situation a little. What do I use with OS/2? Good question. Answer: a second Ethernet adapter, ODI or Packet Driver (depending on what kind of testing I'm doing), and MSK in a DOS window. I also use C Kermit for OS/2, and IBM's own TCP/IP material (stack and applications taken as a whole). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 23:54:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:00:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:00:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntp.hk.super.net!tst.hk.super.net!slip94 From: jcarroll@hk.super.net (John Carroll) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Read function Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 23:54:15 GMT Organization: Hong Kong SuperNET Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3u0des$e0r@tst.hk.super.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: slip94.hk.super.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to use a Kermit script (under MSDOS) to read an incoming value and assign it to a variable, or even write it to a file. I've been using a script to login to my Internet Provider, and request SLIP access. The Provider then gives me my ip_address etc. But it would be nice if I could write these values to a local configuration file for use with FTP, etc. But I can't seem to get to Kermit to store an incoming value - I can only read it and test it (the modem's "OK" for instance). PS, does the latest MSDOS Kermit have FTP support? From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 10:40:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:40:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:40:02 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!jaring.my!news.dnv.po.my!not-for-mail From: cshoo@dnv.po.my (Hoo Chee Sian) Subject: Thrown out when running MS-Kermit 3.14 in WfWg 3.11 Message-Id: <7c7cb$122815.379@news.dnv.po.my> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:40:21 GMT Organization: DNV Industry Sdn Bhd X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to use MSK 3.14 to make TCP/IP connection from Windows for Workgroups 3.11. I've tried to follow the installation instruction given in the network setup documentation but when trying to make the TCP/IP connection, the PC hanged for a while before throwing me out straight to DOS. Any clue of what is happening? Thanks in advance for any help! From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 14:06:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:07:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:06:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Read function Date: 12 Jul 1995 14:06:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3u0ktg$ef5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3u0des$e0r@tst.hk.super.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u0des$e0r@tst.hk.super.net>, John Carroll wrote: > Is it possible to use a Kermit script (under MSDOS) to read an > incoming value and assign it to a variable, or even write it to a file. > Yes. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 has a set of string manipulation functions that, with some ingenuity, might be used for this: \findex(), \fsubstring(), etc. > I've been using a script to login to my Internet Provider, and request SLIP > access. The Provider then gives me my ip_address etc. But it would be nice > if I could write these values to a local configuration file for use with > FTP, etc. > All you need is the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", which shows you how to write script programs, supplemented by the KERMIT.UPD file, which explains the new string functions and related variables. You'll also find an explanation of the same string functions in "Using C-Kermit". Hints: After you tell the terminal server to enter SLIP mode, enter a loop in which you INPUT a line at a time: :LOOP clear input input 5 \10 At this point, you have a line of output in the \v(input) variable. Now you are ready to parse the IP address or other needed information. If you find it, exit the loop, otherwise go back and repeat. Programming 101. > PS, does the latest MSDOS Kermit have FTP support? > No. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 13:15:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:31:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:31:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.panix.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!Pulsar.Tach.Net!news From: "Corey A. Johnson" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS to Linux - TCP/IP problems... Date: 12 Jul 1995 13:15:03 GMT Organization: Mercedes Homes, INC. Lines: 67 Message-Id: <3u0hsn$882@Pulsar.Tach.Net> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercedes.surf.tach.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay... I give up... I am beat... (not really, or I wouldn't be posting, just real close )... Just a recap, in case of some new readers: I am trying to connect my DOS PC to a linux box via TCP/IP with MS-Kermit... My network card is a 3COM 509 UTP... I am loading just the following network drivers in my autoexec.bat: (i commented out my other network stuff to keep it simple, when I get this working I will try them both simultaneously) C:\MSKERMIT\3C5X9PD 0x61 0x10 0x300 pause C:\MSKERMIT\WINPKT 0x61 pause The drivers load without any errors... My mscustom.ini file has the following entries for tcp/ip: (the only systems I am interested in are my pc and the linux box. I am not concerned at this time with connecting to the internet or other pc on our LAN) SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 199.0.9.219 ; My PC's numeric IP address SET TCP/IP SUBNETMASK 255.255.255.0 ; My physical network's subnet mask ; SET TCP/IP DOMAIN my_pc ; My PC's fully qualified domain name ; SET TCP/IP GATEWAY 199.0.9.218 ; My network gateway's IP address ; SET TCP/IP PRIMARY-NAMESERVER 123.123.123.2 ; Primary nameserver's address ; SET TCP/IP SECONDARY-NAMESERVER 123.123.123.3 ; fallback nameserver address SET TCP/IP BROADCAST 199.0.9.255 ; My network's broadcast address SET TCP/IP PACKET-DRIVER \x61 SET PORT TCP/IP 199.0.9.218 ; The IP address of the Linux Box CONNECT When I start Kermit, i get the following errors: Resolving address of host 199.0.9.218 Unable to ARP resolve 199.0.9.218 Unable to connect to host The host may be down or a gateway may be needed With the above drivers loaded in my autoexec.bat, i can connect to the Linux box via Trumpet Winsock in Windows and Telnet into the host, so why can't I in DOS with MS-Kermit? I also tried the lsl/3c5x9/ipxodi approach, with this net.cfg file: Protocol KERMIT bind 3C5X9 Link Support Buffers 6 1600 Link Driver 3C5X9 INT 10 PORT 300 FRAME Ethernet_II Protocol IPX 8137 Ethernet_II Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II And I received the same messages in Kermit as annotated above. Please, any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance... Dazed and Confused, Corey... From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 11 20:08:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:35:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:35:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!stan From: stan@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Stan Horwitz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Binary files in Kerm CMS 4.3 Date: 11 Jul 1995 20:08:13 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3tulne$j02@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu There are 4 different choices when setting the file type under Kermit-CMS 4.3.0 XA. They're: text, binary, d-binary, and v-binary. I know what the text and the binary settings do, but what are the d-binary and v-binary settings for? The documentation doesn't explain this. What's the difference between the three different binary settings? Thanks -- My name is Stan Horwitz and my E-mail address is stan@astro.ocis.temple.edu My opinions are all mine. They do not reflect those of my employer. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 14:53:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:53:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:53:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Binary files in Kerm CMS 4.3 Date: 12 Jul 1995 14:53:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3u0nm0$ia5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tulne$j02@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tulne$j02@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, Stan Horwitz wrote: >There are 4 different choices when setting the file type under Kermit-CMS >4.3.0 XA. They're: text, binary, d-binary, and v-binary. I know what the >text and the binary settings do, but what are the d-binary and v-binary >settings for? The documentation doesn't explain this. What's the difference >between the three different binary settings? > From the manual, IKCKER.DOC: SET FILE TYPE Syntax: SET FILE TYPE type Specifies the type of data comprising files to be sent or received. This setting may be temporarily superseded by the Attribute packets for a file being received. (TEXT, BINARY, blah blah...) V-BINARY Specifies varying-length-record binary data. This type is like BINARY, except that a two-byte binary prefix is added to each outgoing record giving the number of data bytes, and incoming records are set off by (and stripped of) their prefixes on receipt. D-BINARY Is like V-BINARY except that the length prefixes are five-byte ASCII-encoded decimal (right-justified with leading zeroes). These types allow CMS variable-length records in binary files (e.g. program modules) to be preserved when sending to non-CMS systems and then back again. Otherwise the record boundaries would be lost. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 13:02:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:12:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:12:00 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.uh.edu!news.sccsi.com!nuchat!cadserv1!hoang1 From: hoang1@cadserv1.tedix.sccsi.com (Ted Hoang) Subject: AIX kermit:/etc/locks/LCK..tty? Organization: Tedix: A Linux fan Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:02:18 GMT Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have a problem with kermit (IBM/AIX 3.2.5), kermit never remove locked file: /etc/locks/LCK..tty? after exit. Do I miss anything when compile this software. Thanks in advance, Ted -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ted Hoang http://tedix.sccsi.com Email:hoang1@tedix.sccsi.com Tedix - Unix Consultants Tel:(713)686-8557 Email:thoang@simsci.com Simulation Sciences Inc. Tel:(713)683-1710 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 02:36:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25308 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:24:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21339 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:24:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit - remote query bug? Message-Id: <1995Jul12.083612.55906@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jul 95 08:36:12 MDT References: <3tvfa7$oej@ccnet.ccnet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tvfa7$oej@ccnet.ccnet.com>, davidm@ccnet.com (David MacMahon) writes: > I am using MS-DOS Kermit (v3.14 patch level 8) to dial into a Sun > (running Solaris 2.3) where I run C-Kermit 5A(190). Once connected I put > the remote kermit (i.e. on the Sun) into server mode then escape back > (Alt-X) to my local kermit prompt. I then proceed with the following > dialog... > > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>remote assign \%a foo > > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>remote query user \%a > Message: foo > > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>echo \v(query) > foo > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>set display quiet > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>remote query user \%a > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>echo \v(query) > Setting the display to quiet suppresses display of responses from the remote host. The command works, but Kermit has discarded the output (part of nothing to show). Hence \v(query) is also empty. Only another REM QUERY can fill up \v(query) again. The reasons for all this are rather technical in that retaining the response of a command to a server normally isn't done (memory consumption problems) so we have to play some games to see if a buffer is still valid and if so stuff it into \v(query). Display regular/quiet comes into the act half way through the Rem Query part and there isn't anything in a buffer to use as \v(query). Joe D. > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>set display regular > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>echo \v(query) > > [C:\KERMIT] MS-Kermit> > > It seems that remote query doesn't work if set display quiet is in > effect. Has anybody else seen this? Is this a feature or a bug or have > I been working too long on this? > > Any and all help on this matter greatly appreciated! > Dave > > David MacMahon > davidm@ccnet.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 02:39:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:25:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:24:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Read function Message-Id: <1995Jul12.083947.55907@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jul 95 08:39:47 MDT References: <3u0des$e0r@tst.hk.super.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u0des$e0r@tst.hk.super.net>, jcarroll@hk.super.net (John Carroll) writes: > Is it possible to use a Kermit script (under MSDOS) to read an > incoming value and assign it to a variable, or even write it to a file. > I've been using a script to login to my Internet Provider, and request > SLIP access. The Provider then gives me my ip_address etc. But it would be > nice if I could write these values to a local configuration file for use with > FTP, etc. > But I can't seem to get to Kermit to store an incoming value - I can > only read it and test it (the modem's "OK" for instance). > PS, does the latest MSDOS Kermit have FTP support? ----------- Please check the user's manual and distribution docs. Variable \v(input) holds the most recent "line" from the INPUT and REINPUT commands. We provide extensive parsing tools via the \f functions to chop and dice that line to fit your situation, but you have to write the instructions. Once you have picked out the interesting piece then it's easy to WRITE FILE. MSK does not provide FTP. FTP interfaces tend to run about 80KB in size and that's a rather large lump of material to put into the program. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 02:46:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25459 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:25:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:25:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: apc assign VS remote assign Message-Id: <1995Jul12.084623.55910@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jul 95 08:46:23 MDT References: <3tvedk$mi0@ccnet.ccnet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tvedk$mi0@ccnet.ccnet.com>, davidm@ccnet.com (David MacMahon) writes: > I am using MS-DOS Kermit (v3.14 patch level 8) to dial into a Sun > (running Solaris 2.3) where I run C-Kermit 5A(190). On the remote side > (i.e. the Sun) I "take" the following command file... > > open write kermit.log > apc assign \\%a \\fsize(kermit.exe) > apc server > remote query user \%a > write file {Size of kermit.exe is \v(query)\10} > remote assign \%b \\fsize(kermit.exe) > remote query user \%b > write file {Size of kermit.exe is \v(query)\10} > finish > close write > > It produces the following kermit.log file... > > Size of kermit.exe is 230400 > Size of kermit.exe is \fsize(kermit.exe) APC can execute commands via the MSK command line parser. It's a big deal to accomplish that. REM QUERY cannot. It can find the contents of a table entry, such as the \%b item above, but it cannot execute the command parser. Functions \fblah() are recognized only by the command parser. > The first line is the result from the apc assign and remote query. This > is the result I want to obtain. The only problem is that if I want to do > this for a number of files I have to go in and out of server mode a > number of times or do all of my apc assign's beforehand. Another > problem is that I would like to have the PC run KERLITE.EXE which has no > terminal emulator and therefore can't take apc commands at all! > > Is there a way to get remote assign to behave like apc assign? I have > tried 'remote kermit assign \\%c \\fsize(kermit.exe)', but that doesn't Nope. See above on the command parser (a very big deal actually). Have you considered a DIR filespec command? Joe D. > seem to work at all. In fact, I must misunderstand remote kermit > altogether because I can't figure out what it does or how it's used. I > have the C-Kermit manual (but not the MS-DOS manual), which briefly > explains the remote kermit command on page 146, but I still don't get > it. To top it off, when I put C-Kermit into server mode it doesn't > appear to support 'remote kermit' at all! > > Any and help on this matter greatly appreciated! > Dave > > David MacMahon > davidm@ccnet.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 17:56:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05092 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:56:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:56:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: apc assign VS remote assign Date: 12 Jul 1995 17:56:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3u12c0$2oh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tvedk$mi0@ccnet.ccnet.com> <1995Jul12.084623.55910@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul12.084623.55910@cc.usu.edu>, : In article <3tvedk$mi0@ccnet.ccnet.com>, : davidm@ccnet.com (David MacMahon) writes: : ... I must misunderstand remote kermit altogether because I can't figure : out what it does or how it's used. I have the C-Kermit manual (but not : the MS-DOS manual), which briefly explains the remote kermit command on : page 146, but I still don't get it. To top it off, when I put C-Kermit : into server mode it doesn't appear to support 'remote kermit' at all! : That's correct. C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit both include the client end of "remote kermit" but not the server end. Kermit-370 for IBM mainframes implements the server end. So, at present, this command is useful only when MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit is the client and Kermit-370 is the server. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 17:46:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:02:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03463 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:02:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!news3.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail From: hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: phone# for Columbia Kermit distribution; Online kermit protocol ?? Date: 12 Jul 1995 13:46:20 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, New Jersey, USA Lines: 10 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3u11pc$dgh@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: cnj.digex.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi All, Two quick questions: 1. Does any one know the phone# contact for Kermit distribution at Columbia Univ. I want to request tech. and user manual for Kermit protocols. 2. Is there any online Kermit protocol documentation and user guide ? Thanks much. Atiq From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 12 03:09:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:51:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:51:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!ccnet.com!ccnet.com!not-for-mail From: davidm@ccnet.com (David MacMahon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: apc assign VS remote assign Date: 11 Jul 1995 20:09:40 -0700 Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3tvedk$mi0@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccnet X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-DOS Kermit (v3.14 patch level 8) to dial into a Sun (running Solaris 2.3) where I run C-Kermit 5A(190). On the remote side (i.e. the Sun) I "take" the following command file... open write kermit.log apc assign \\%a \\fsize(kermit.exe) apc server remote query user \%a write file {Size of kermit.exe is \v(query)\10} remote assign \%b \\fsize(kermit.exe) remote query user \%b write file {Size of kermit.exe is \v(query)\10} finish close write It produces the following kermit.log file... Size of kermit.exe is 230400 Size of kermit.exe is \fsize(kermit.exe) The first line is the result from the apc assign and remote query. This is the result I want to obtain. The only problem is that if I want to do this for a number of files I have to go in and out of server mode a number of times or do all of my apc assign's beforehand. Another problem is that I would like to have the PC run KERLITE.EXE which has no terminal emulator and therefore can't take apc commands at all! Is there a way to get remote assign to behave like apc assign? I have tried 'remote kermit assign \\%c \\fsize(kermit.exe)', but that doesn't seem to work at all. In fact, I must misunderstand remote kermit altogether because I can't figure out what it does or how it's used. I have the C-Kermit manual (but not the MS-DOS manual), which briefly explains the remote kermit command on page 146, but I still don't get it. To top it off, when I put C-Kermit into server mode it doesn't appear to support 'remote kermit' at all! Any and help on this matter greatly appreciated! Dave David MacMahon davidm@ccnet.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 03:21:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16266 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:07:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:07:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!io.org!wink.io.org!jverne From: jverne@wink.io.org (J. D. Verne) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RPI modem scripts Date: 12 Jul 1995 03:21:44 GMT Organization: Internex Online, Toronto, Ontario, Canada (416 363 3783) Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3tvf48$bj@ionews.io.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: wink.io.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In the modem docs for MSKv3.14 it talks about 'RPI' Modems using the Rockwell chipset and how they will only work with bundled software, not kermit. Has anyone written a script for this type of modem using the S regs to get it to speed-buffer and compress? I am guessing this is the only way to do it, if it doesn't want hayes-type commands. If not, tell me so I can bury the modem and buy a 'name-brand' thanks. -- J. D. Verne From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 21:49:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 18:32:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 18:32:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!wcbst4 From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is FOOBAR Date: 12 Jul 1995 21:49:05 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3u1g0h$lb8@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <3tu9eh$a1m@nic.lth.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: unixs5.cis.pitt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tu9eh$a1m@nic.lth.se>, Anders Karlsson wrote: >Does anybody know what FOOBAR error means? If Kermit is giving you a FOOBAR error message, you may wish to take the following steps: 1-Download F-Prot 2.18a from any larger FTP site. One is ftp://oak.oakland.edu/simtel/msdos/virus/fp-218a.zip 2-Extract and run. 3-If nothing unusual is found, remove all TSRs, reboot your computer, reload Kermit, and try to reproduce the error. If you can, post here with details. Just an idea. -willie -- -- Finger wcbst4+@pitt.edu for my PGP public key. Home - http://www.pitt.edu/~wcbst4 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 21:58:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22120 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 18:55:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25688 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 18:55:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!wcbst4 From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in ODI Date: 12 Jul 1995 21:58:37 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3u1gid$lca@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <3tu3du$a16@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <1995Jul11.104756.55820@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unixs5.cis.pitt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul11.104756.55820@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: [in reply to an earlier post of my own RE: the MS-Kermit \NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC] > How many ways does one need to say "pay attention, follow the >rules, don't be creative here"? The examples are there for very good >reasons and are usable. Well, the file doesn't say to add any lines to your own NET.CFG file that are unique to the sample file. Heck, some of the lines in the sample NET.CFG might bring down the network connection on my machine. Advice is given on carefully modifying the NET.CFG, but there is little hint of what MUST be added. After reading the setup file the first time, I thought that the only change I might want to make would be the optional bind to a specific card, which was a moot issue since I only have one card. So, I made no changes to the NET.CFG, and nothing worked. Everything else that runs on that machine uses the IPX protocol for the Ethernet packets, and I had no reason to assume that Kermit was an exception. I assumed that the other Protocol lines were for different applications. -- -- Finger wcbst4+@pitt.edu for my PGP public key. Home - http://www.pitt.edu/~wcbst4 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 22:25:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:49:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:49:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!ccnet.com!ccnet.com!not-for-mail From: davidm@ccnet.com (David MacMahon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: apc assign VS remote assign Date: 12 Jul 1995 15:25:57 -0700 Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3u1i5l$pca@ccnet.ccnet.com> References: <3tvedk$mi0@ccnet.ccnet.com> <1995Jul12.084623.55910@cc.usu.edu> <3u12c0$2oh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccnet X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article <1995Jul12.084623.55910@cc.usu.edu>, >: In article <3tvedk$mi0@ccnet.ccnet.com>, >: davidm@ccnet.com (David MacMahon) writes: >: ... I must misunderstand remote kermit altogether because I can't figure >: out what it does or how it's used. I have the C-Kermit manual (but not >: the MS-DOS manual), which briefly explains the remote kermit command on >: page 146, but I still don't get it. To top it off, when I put C-Kermit >: into server mode it doesn't appear to support 'remote kermit' at all! >: >That's correct. C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit both include the client end >of "remote kermit" but not the server end. Kermit-370 for IBM mainframes >implements the server end. So, at present, this command is useful only >when MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit is the client and Kermit-370 is the server. On C-Kermit, "show server" does not show remote kermit at all (nor can I enable/disable it). On MS-DOS Kermit, "show server" shows KERMIT and I can enable/disable it. When it is disabled, the MS-DOS Kermit server gives a "command disabled" error when I attemp to perform a remote kermit command. When it is enabled, MS-DOS kermit "misbehaves". If I take the command file shown below on the remote C-Kermit with MSK's remote kermit disabled, I get a "command disabled" error and MSK returns to connect mode after the finish command. If I take the same command file with MSK's remote kermit enabled, I get no error message and MSK returns to the Kermit prompt (instead of connect mode) after the finish command. Is this simply because MS-DOS Kermit doesn't have remote kermit properly "stubbed out"? If so, should I put "disable kermit" in my mscustom.ini file to prevent this misbehaving? Commnd file... -------------------------------------------- apc server remote kermit set \%a \\fsize(kermit.exe) finish -------------------------------------------- Dave David MacMahon davidm@ccnet.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 23:52:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25042 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:09:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:09:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!usenet From: zollner@iastate.edu Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 12 Jul 1995 23:52:11 GMT Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 52 Message-Id: <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: zollner@iastate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zollner.ssp.ameslab.gov X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36207 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3175 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >Tek emulation will come to C-Kermit eventually. I have been waiting for almost 10 years to throw out the serial cables to my VAX. I would rather have a solution now than wait for eventually to happen. Besides, who knows how the Tek emulation will work in C-Kermit. Since there is no standard for switching between graphics and text, MS-KERMIT may behave differently than C-KERMIT. For both reasons, I would like to get MS-KERMIT working with IBM TCP/IP. >>4) Can I run MSKERMIT using the INT 14h interceptor included in the >> IBM TCP/IP 2.0 DOS access kit together with the TCP/IP 2.0 base for OS/2 >> and OS/2 2.1. >Maybe. Give it a try. OK. So I tried. Thanks to the guy who told me how. (It is not documented in WARP CONNECT): The INT 14h interceptor included in WARP and WARP CONNECT is called COMTCP.EXE and is located in the TCPIP/DOS/BIN directory. When I try to use it by typing COMTCP host kermit.exe with KERMIT set to (SET PORT BIOS1), then I get an exception in my DOS box. I have to close the DOS box. I tried a variety of different things, but without success. The location changes. The register contents are not reproducible. (If they were, I could post them here.) Reportedly, this functionality was working with MS-KERMIT 3.13 (more or less) and was broken with MS-KERMIT 3.14. I also heard that I am not supposed to use (or obtain) MS-KERMIT 3.13 anymore. Question: Is this something that can be fixed by changing KERMIT or does it require changes in the TCP/IP code from Raleigh. The whole reason I bought and installed WARP CONNECT was because the TCP/IP developers told me at a conference that KERMIT would run with the INT 14h interceptor of the DOS access kit included with IBM TCP/IP. I guess they meant ``should work in principle''. I am sure they will not do anything to fix their TCP/IP product, since they don't like VAXes. Therefore, I see no point in reporting this as a bug to IBM. Do you guys at Columbia have any flavor of OS/2 (>2.0) together with the DOS access kit from TCP/IP for OS/2 (version 2.0 or better). If so, can you give this a try and see what happens on your machines ? I realize this is a lot to ask from the developes of a free product. ************************************************************************ * Stefan Zollner, Assistant Professor and Associate Physicist * * Iowa State University/Ames Laboratory, A205 Physics, Ames, IA 50011 * * zollner@iastate.edu Phone: (515) 294-7327 FAX: (515) 294-0689 * ************************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 00:45:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:45:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:45:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: RPI modem scripts Date: 13 Jul 1995 00:45:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3u1qaq$2cf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tvf48$bj@ionews.io.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tvf48$bj@ionews.io.org>, J. D. Verne wrote: >In the modem docs for MSKv3.14 it talks about 'RPI' Modems using the >Rockwell chipset and how they will only work with bundled software, not >kermit. Has anyone written a script for this type of modem using the S >regs to get it to speed-buffer and compress? > >I am guessing this is the only way to do it, if it doesn't want >hayes-type commands. If not, tell me so I can bury the modem and buy a >'name-brand' thanks. > You're joking, right? To run an RPI modem with EC and DC, you need to implement -- i.e. write code for -- all of V.42 (LAPM) and V.42bis (LZW compression). It's not merely a matter of setting an S-register. There *is* NO error correction or data compression in the modem to enable. Return it, get your money back, and if you think the marketing or packaging was deceptive, let somebody know about it. Read the last month's worth of comp.dcom.modems postings -- everything with RPI in the subject -- for lots more info on the subject. Or -- only if you are using MS-DOS Kermit under Windows 3.1 -- you can TRY to get the (maybe) newly-released WINRPI COMM.DRV replacement from your modem vendor (not from Rockwell). Maybe it will work with Kermit, maybe it won't. We have not yet had any reports about this. Good luck. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 00:58:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:58:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03138 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:58:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 13 Jul 1995 00:58:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Message-Id: <3u1r48$31u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36215 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3177 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu>, wrote: : In <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : >Tek emulation will come to C-Kermit eventually. : I have been waiting for almost 10 years to throw out the serial cables to : my VAX. I would rather have a solution now than wait for eventually to : happen. : Of course. And we'd have it for you now if we had been able to find the time to do it. It's on the list. : Besides, who knows how the Tek emulation will work in C-Kermit. : Since there is no standard for switching between graphics and text, : MS-KERMIT may behave differently than C-KERMIT. : Since we control both programs, there is not much chance of that. : For both reasons, I would : like to get MS-KERMIT working with IBM TCP/IP. : Nobody said you shouldn't :-) : OK. So I tried [to run MSK thru IBM TCP/IP Int 14 redirector]. Thanks to the : guy who told me how. (It is not documented in WARP CONNECT): : : The INT 14h interceptor included in WARP and WARP CONNECT is called : COMTCP.EXE and is located in the TCPIP/DOS/BIN directory. When I try to use : it by typing : COMTCP host kermit.exe : with KERMIT set to (SET PORT BIOS1), then I get an exception in my DOS box. : This is a shot in the dark, but what happens if you do it like this: COMTCP host kermit.exe set port bios1, stay : Reportedly, this functionality was working with MS-KERMIT 3.13 (more or : less) and was broken with MS-KERMIT 3.14. I also heard that I am not : supposed to use (or obtain) MS-KERMIT 3.13 anymore. : If there is a case where 3.13 works and 3.14 doesn't, then by all means use 3.13 and let us know the details as best you can. We like people to use the current version because it's hard to support multiple versions. If there's something wrong with the current version, we'll fix it. : The whole reason I bought and installed WARP CONNECT was because the : TCP/IP developers told me at a conference that KERMIT would run with the : INT 14h interceptor of the DOS access kit included with IBM TCP/IP. : I guess they meant ``should work in principle''. I am sure they will not do : anything to fix their TCP/IP product, since they don't like VAXes. : Therefore, I see no point in reporting this as a bug to IBM. : : Do you guys at Columbia have any flavor of OS/2 (>2.0) together with the : DOS access kit from TCP/IP for OS/2 (version 2.0 or better). If so, can : you give this a try and see what happens on your machines ? : : I realize this is a lot to ask from the developes of a free product. : What can I say? We're all overworked and frazzled. This is kind of a "niche" request, and we try to spend our time where it will do the most good for the most people, but find it increasingly harder to please anyone. Thanks to the Internet (which used to be a kind of "developers exchange", but now has become a giant feeding trough) (sorry), the demands on our time are exploding and the income that we might have used to pay more hands is evaporating. If we find the time, we'll give it a shot and report back. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 01:47:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:45:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:45:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: RPI modem scripts Message-Id: <1995Jul12.074758.55903@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jul 95 07:47:58 MDT References: <3tvf48$bj@ionews.io.org> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3tvf48$bj@ionews.io.org>, jverne@wink.io.org (J. D. Verne) writes: > In the modem docs for MSKv3.14 it talks about 'RPI' Modems using the > Rockwell chipset and how they will only work with bundled software, not > kermit. Has anyone written a script for this type of modem using the S > regs to get it to speed-buffer and compress? > > I am guessing this is the only way to do it, if it doesn't want > hayes-type commands. If not, tell me so I can bury the modem and buy a > 'name-brand' thanks. ----------- Bury the poor thing. Kermit provides no RPI support. Such support is proprietary to Rockwell and they will not make public any details. Further, the only V.42/V.42 bis helper they have issued is software for Windows-only. The modem itself is incapable of error correction and of compression. You thus have a low grade modem, and at today's prices you would do far better for barely a few more dollars/lira/pounds. Shop carefully, and inform your colleagues when they purchase modems. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 03:53:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 23:53:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 23:53:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 13 Jul 1995 03:53:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3u25av$ce2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36238 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3179 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu>, wrote: >In <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >>Tek emulation will come to C-Kermit eventually. >I have been waiting for almost 10 years to throw out the serial cables to >my VAX. I would rather have a solution now than wait for eventually to >happen. Besides, who knows how the Tek emulation will work in C-Kermit. >Since there is no standard for switching between graphics and text, >MS-KERMIT may behave differently than C-KERMIT. For both reasons, I would >like to get MS-KERMIT working with IBM TCP/IP. Actually, there is a standard. Its the DEC VTxxx programmer's manuals. >The whole reason I bought and installed WARP CONNECT was because the >TCP/IP developers told me at a conference that KERMIT would run with the >INT 14h interceptor of the DOS access kit included with IBM TCP/IP. >I guess they meant ``should work in principle''. I am sure they will not do >anything to fix their TCP/IP product, since they don't like VAXes. >Therefore, I see no point in reporting this as a bug to IBM. > >Do you guys at Columbia have any flavor of OS/2 (>2.0) together with the >DOS access kit from TCP/IP for OS/2 (version 2.0 or better). If so, can >you give this a try and see what happens on your machines ? I can tell you that it does not work with 3.14 nor has it worked with any version of MS-DOS Kermit that I have had in the last two years. The only solution you have is to spend $45 and purchase Ray Gwinn's SIO Fossil Drivers and his VMODEM product. >I realize this is a lot to ask from the developes of a free product. You ask no more than anyone else, you just want software that works. All we ask is that you purchase the manual. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 02:50:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 23:58:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12937 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Jul 1995 23:58:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in ODI Date: 13 Jul 1995 02:50:30 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3u21lm$6ob@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3tu3du$a16@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu William C Beegle (wcbst4+@pitt.edu) wrote: : After spending an absurd amount of time trying to figure out why I : couldn't get MSKermit working with LAN Workplace, I came to a realization: : The Instructions in the /NETWORKS directory need help. All I had to do : was modify my NET.CFG file. The setup.doc file talks about using : different frames, but I was already using Ethernet_II. I ignored the Like you, I found myself unable to run MSKermit 3.14 without an odipkt.com, and not the one from the MSKermit package. After your note on the net, I went back and added a couple of lines to my net.cfg, and now it works. It is hard to know which pieces need to be added. The sample net.cfg certainly contains lines that don't apply to me. The lines below are the simplest form that works for me, running Netware 3.11, netx as delivered with my Xircom parallel port adapter, and Netware configured as some non-TCP administrator saw fit. The Xircom book explains that 802.2 is the default. Ours is 802.3, and the book suggests that the "Frame Ethernet_802.3" line is necessary, so my net.cfg used to just be the first two lines. JoeD suggested a line of Protocol IPX 8137 Ethernet_II, which should probably have been left out. The spec for IPX is a separate topic from Kermit and TCP, and in my case is contrary to the default. My system defaults to "ID 0" without the line, "ID 8137" with the line, and of course, in my case, I am running IPX on 802.3, not _II. With the "8137" line, I could no longer find a server for netx. Now, with multiple sessions, and Wyse (yech!) emulation that I need for one package, I can finally throw away the NVT/INT14/ProcommPlus for Windows junk that I've had to live with, and use MSKermit again, like I have for years. My initial tests show >25K per second transfer on my parallel port adapter. My last goal for today, as the sun sets outside my window, would be to use MSKermit as a "proxy" to transfer between two TCP hosts that are otherwise not on speaking terms, or directly from TCPhost to RS232host. Link Driver pe3odi FRAME Ethernet_802.3 FRAME Ethernet_II Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II JoeD: Back off from this newsgroup a bit. I couldn't believe it when you guys fired up this newsgroup, there is just so much volume out there (the feeding trough, as you call it). Left a post stew for a day or two. Someone will post an answer ;-) Almost all of us are friends of Kermit. I'd hate to see you burn out trying to sell someone who isn't. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 07:14:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 03:15:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 03:14:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!epicycle.lm.com!not-for-mail From: gentzel@telerama.lm.com (David Gentzel) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 13 Jul 1995 03:14:01 -0400 Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3u2h3p$pgr@epicycle.lm.com> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> <3u25av$ce2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: epicycle.lm.com In-Reply-To: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 13 Jul 1995 03:53:03 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36251 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3181 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u25av$ce2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >The only solution you have is to spend $45 and purchase Ray Gwinn's SIO >Fossil Drivers and his VMODEM product. Minor correction. The 4 port SIO (all that most folks should need) is $25. $45 is the price for the 6 port version. -- Dave Gentzel gentzel@telerama.lm.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 06:06:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 03:18:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 03:18:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:06:51 EDT From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <95193.100651HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Binary files in Kerm CMS 4.3 References: <3tulne$j02@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu V-binary and D-binary(decimal binary) do the same thing, namely allow CMS dependent varying length records ("undefined" length variable length records - e.g., * MODULE files) to be downloaded to DOS and later uploaded and recovered exactly. The actual CMS lrecls are written in the front of each record. For d-binary you can even edit the DOS file and "see" these record lengths. This recording of actual LRECL is necessary (for MODULEs for example) because these CMS files ARE varying length, but do not have block and segment control fields are part of the record like RECFM=V varying length data files do. That is, these are really RECFM=U (Undefined) records. Kermit-CMS reads such undefined length records from a CMS file and temporarily creates a length field in binary (v-binary) or decimal(d-binary) and prepends this to the records on download and strips it on upload while simultaneously re-writing undefined length records back to CMS exactly as they existed at download time. Neat isn't it:-) Thanks to Columbia U. and John Chandler, (co)author of Kermit-CMS. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 07:53:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:07:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 04:07:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!satisfied.apocalypse.org!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!BIX.com!agurski From: agurski@BIX.com (agurski on BIX) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is FOOBAR Date: 13 Jul 95 07:53:09 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 79 Message-Id: References: <3tu9eh$a1m@nic.lth.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: bix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu d93ak@efd.lth.se (Anders Karlsson) writes: >Does anybody know what FOOBAR error means? >Thanks Anders Karlsson ---------------------- The following is from the jargon file. It is also available in print as "The New Hacker's Dictionary", edited by Eric Raymond, ISBN 0-262-68069-6. :foo: /foo/ 1. interj. Term of disgust. 2. Used very generally as a sample name for absolutely anything, esp. programs and files (esp. scratch files). 3. First on the standard list of {metasyntactic variable}s used in syntax examples. See also {bar}, {baz}, {qux}, {quux}, {corge}, {grault}, {garply}, {waldo}, {fred}, {plugh}, {xyzzy}, {thud}. The etymology of hackish 'foo' is obscure. When used in connection with 'bar' it is generally traced to the WWII-era Army slang acronym FUBAR ('Fucked Up Beyond All Repair'), later bowdlerized to {foobar}. (See also {FUBAR}). However, the use of the word 'foo' itself has more complicated antecedents, including a long history in comic strips and cartoons. The old "Smokey Stover" comic strips by Bill Holman often included the word 'FOO', in particular on license plates of cars; allegedly, 'FOO' and 'BAR' also occurred in Walt Kelly's "Pogo" strips. In the 1938 cartoon "The Daffy Doc", a very early version of Daffy Duck holds up a sign saying "SILENCE IS FOO!"; oddly, this seems to refer to some approving or positive affirmative use of foo. It has been suggested that this might be related to the Chinese word 'fu' (sometimes transliterated 'foo'), which can mean "happiness" when spoken with the proper tone (the lion-dog guardians flanking the steps of many Chinese restaurants are properly called "fu dogs"). Paul Dickson's excellent book "Words" (Dell, 1982, ISBN 0-440-52260-7) traces "Foo" to an unspecified British naval magazine in 1946, quoting as follows: "Mr. Foo is a mysterious Second World War product, gifted with bitter omniscience and sarcasm." Earlier versions of this entry suggested the possibility that hacker usage actually sprang from "FOO, Lampoons and Parody", the title of a comic book first issued in September 1958, a joint project of Charles and Robert Crumb. Though Robert Crumb (then in his mid-teens) later became one of the most important and influential artists in underground comics, this venture was hardly a success; indeed, the brothers later burned most of the existing copies in disgust. The title FOO was featured in large letters on the front cover. However, very few copies of this comic actually circulated, and students of Crumb's 'oeuvre' have established that this title was a reference to the earlier Smokey Stover comics. An old-time member reports that in the 1959 "Dictionary of the TMRC Language", compiled at {TMRC} there was an entry that went something like this: FOO: The first syllable of the sacred chant phrase "FOO MANE PADME HUM." Our first obligation is to keep the foo counters turning. For more about the legendary foo counters, see {TMRC}. Almost the entire staff of what became the MIT AI LAB was involved with TMRC, and probably picked the word up there. Very probably, hackish 'foo' had no single origin and derives through all these channels from Yiddish 'feh' and/or English 'fooey'. :foobar: n. Another common {metasyntactic variable}; see {foo}. Hackers do *not* generally use this to mean {FUBAR} in either the slang or jargon sense. :FUBAR: n. The Failed UniBus Address Register in a VAX. A good example of how jargon can occasionally be snuck past the {suit}s; see {foobar}, and {foo} for a fuller etymology. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 10:13:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 06:25:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 06:25:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!sniff.shr.dec.com!usenet From: preilly@shr.dec.com (Paul Reilly) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Mapping keys with C-Kermit/xterm Date: 13 Jul 1995 10:13:41 GMT Organization: StorageWorks Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: rndsqr.shr.dec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way to use the Alt keys on an IBM PC-AT keyboard with the `set key' command to make life with Emacs over an async TTY connection bearable? I'm running C-Kermit 5A(190) on an alpha-dec-osf32 system. kermit is invoked from an xterm. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 12:30:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:30:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:30:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: AIX kermit:/etc/locks/LCK..tty? Date: 13 Jul 1995 12:30:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3u33kk$bbu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ted Hoang wrote: > I have a problem with kermit (IBM/AIX 3.2.5), kermit never remove locked > file: /etc/locks/LCK..tty? after exit. Do I miss anything when compile this > software. > It would help if you said how you compiled it? Which makefile entry did you use? Unfortunately, I don't have access to an AIX 3.2.5 (or any other version) system that has a dialout device, so I can't test or debug this. Please do this and send me the results: 1. Before starting Kermit: ls -l /etc/locks/ 2. Start Kermit, "set line /dev/ttyxxx" (replace xxx by the real tty designation) 3. At the Kermit prompt: "!ls -l /etc/locks/" 4. Exit from Kermit, repeat step 1. If you can do the same thing with cu or tip, that would be a big help. I have hard rumors that I can't confirm that AIX 3.x creates *two* lock files instead of one. If that is true, then performing the above steps with cu should reveal the truth, and then Kermit can be adjusted to do the same. I have no doubt that all of this changed completely in AIX 4.x. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 12:43:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:43:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:43:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mapping keys with C-Kermit/xterm Date: 13 Jul 1995 12:43:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3u34d5$bve@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Paul Reilly wrote: >Is there a way to use the Alt keys on an IBM PC-AT keyboard with the >`set key' command to make life with Emacs over an async TTY connection >bearable? I'm running C-Kermit 5A(190) on an alpha-dec-osf32 system. >kermit is invoked from an xterm. > And the Alpha has a PC/AT-style keyboard? Or you are logged in to the Alpha from an actual PC running MS-DOS Kermit? It's not clear from your message. In the former case, please visit this topic in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html In the latter, you can use the EMACS.INI file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 11:54:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28138 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:47:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 08:47:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!ukma!omega!marks From: marks%omega@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Mark A. Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: remote print esc seq? Date: 12 Jul 1995 11:54:41 GMT Organization: University of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3u0d61$72u@t2.mscf.uky.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: omega.kcr.uky.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Would anyone know what the escape sequence is that you can send to ms-kermit enabling and disabling remote printing? (not echoing to the screen). Thank you. Mark marks@delos.kcr.uky.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 14:16:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 10:32:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19560 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 10:32:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: remote print esc seq? Date: 13 Jul 1995 14:16:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 76 Message-Id: <3u39rv$hul@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3u0d61$72u@t2.mscf.uky.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u0d61$72u@t2.mscf.uky.edu>, Mark A. Schneider wrote: >Would anyone know what the escape sequence is that you >can send to ms-kermit enabling and disabling remote >printing? (not echoing to the screen). > The answer is in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", please purchase it: ESC [ 5 i - Start transparent print ESC [ 4 i - Stop transparent print ESC [ ? 1 i - Print line containing cursor ESC [ ? 5 i - Echo subsequent screen lines to printer ESC [ ? 4 i - Stop echoing screen lines to printer Look in the UTILS subdirectory of the MS-DOS Kermit diskette for UNIX and VMS utilities that can be used to send files to your PC's printer via transparent print. The manual is: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. The French version is also available from Columbia University: $35.95. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 12 09:51:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11459 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 12:01:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 12:01:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: phone# for Columbia Kermit distribution; Online kermit protocol ?? Message-Id: <1995Jul12.155135.55978@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jul 95 15:51:35 MDT References: <3u11pc$dgh@cnj.digex.net> Distribution: na Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u11pc$dgh@cnj.digex.net>, hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) writes: > Hi All, > > Two quick questions: > 1. Does any one know the phone# contact for Kermit distribution at Columbia > Univ. I want to request tech. and user manual for Kermit protocols. 1-212-854-3703 or 1-800-366-2665 It's in the HELP command display. > 2. Is there any online Kermit protocol documentation and user guide ? > Thanks much. The full protocol specification at the time of writing is the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, details from Columbia. Further enhancments are on kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit. User's manuals are the books "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C Kermit", details of which are also in the HELP command and from Columbia Univ. Frank will chime in with more details if you cannot reach him by phone. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 18:15:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:05:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:05:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!usenet From: zollner@iastate.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 dies with INT 14h interceptor, 3.13 works Date: 13 Jul 1995 18:15:55 GMT Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3u3nsr$rjq@news.iastate.edu> Reply-To: zollner@iastate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zollner.ssp.ameslab.gov X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is just a short note to confirm what I had said earlier: MS-Kermit 3.13 works with the COMTCP program included in WARP CONNECT. (COMTCP is a INT 14h interceptor). However, MS-KERMIT dies when I do a SHOW COMM. The location and register information occurring when the KERMIT dies seem to be random, but I can send some samples on request. MS-KERMIT 3.14, on the other hand, does not work with COMTCP. Has it been tested with other INT14h interceptors ? If the developers are interested, I will try to work with you, if this is a KERMIT problem that you intend to fix. (Of course, it could also be a bug/feature of the OS/2 COMTCP program which cannot be fixed without intervention by IBM.) ************************************************************************ * Stefan Zollner, Assistant Professor and Associate Physicist * * Iowa State University/Ames Laboratory, A205 Physics, Ames, IA 50011 * * zollner@iastate.edu Phone: (515) 294-7327 FAX: (515) 294-0689 * ************************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 17:41:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02222 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 18:24:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01861 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 18:24:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Send Packet too long? Date: 13 Jul 1995 17:41:16 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3u3lrs$eak@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've gotten an error that is really strange... I've got MS Kermit 3.14 sending to CMS on an IBM mainframe. When I set the Send Packet length to 64, I get "Send Packet too long" about half way thru the file. If i set the packet length to 2000, it uploads fine. Any ideas? John Price -- Just in case you mistake me for someone official, having an official opinion: I'm not, and I don't. --- --- --- --- Commodore Douglas C. Reynolds U.S.S. Atlantis NCC-1786 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 13:15:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:54:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:54:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!EU.net!ieunet!login.Ieunet.ie!ebairead From: ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VAX to DOS with sliding windows Date: 13 Jul 1995 13:15:49 GMT Organization: Ieunet Limited Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3u36a5$5f1@news.Ieunet.ie> Nntp-Posting-Host: login.ieunet.ie X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a problem going from DOS to VAX/VMS when using sliding windows? here's my .INI file set receive pack 2000 set send pack 2000 set block 3 set control unprefixed all set control prefixed 0 1 3 set wind 4 In server mode I can GET all I want, but SEND falls over for retries. My VMS Kermit is 5A(190) of C-Kermit for VAX/VMS PC is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 thanks Eoin From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 14 01:15:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10004 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:58:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:58:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP! Kermit file transfer has slowed! Date: 13 Jul 1995 20:15:40 -0500 Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3u4gfs$ptd@fohnix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running ckermit for OS/2 5A(191) on my PC under OS/2 WARP; my internet provider has HP9000's and is running ckermit 5A(190). I connect to my provider via com2 and a Practical Peripherals PM144MTII. For some reason that I have not been able to determine, my kermit file transfer rate has dropped from near 1600 cps to 1300 cps. I've noticed that I am frequently using sliding windows; when my kermit file transfer was working well, I rarely used more than one window. When using sz and rz (the p programs on OS/2) the file transfer rate still remains near 1600 cps. I've tried just about everything I can think of, packet size, control prefixes, window size, buffer size, but I can't resolve the problem. The only changes I've made recently were to upgrade to WARP and to ckermit OS/2 5A(191) (from 190). If anyone has any insight into this problem, I'd be very grateful. Thanks!! -- Joe Huber jhuber@metronet.com 817-557-3186 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 23:45:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13700 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 23:45:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21773 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Jul 1995 23:45:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!winternet.com!ppp-66-26.dialup.winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VAX to DOS with sliding windows Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 16:11:10 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 31 Message-Id: References: <3u36a5$5f1@news.Ieunet.ie> Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp-66-26.dialup.winternet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u36a5$5f1@news.Ieunet.ie> ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) writes: >Is there a problem going from DOS to VAX/VMS when using sliding windows? >here's my .INI file >set receive pack 2000 >set send pack 2000 >set block 3 >set control unprefixed all >set control prefixed 0 1 3 >set wind 4 >In server mode I can GET all I want, but SEND falls over for retries. >My VMS Kermit is 5A(190) of C-Kermit for VAX/VMS >PC is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 You don't mention the type of connection you are using (TCP, DECNet, Terminal Server, Direct connect, etc). There may be some problems on sending so many unprefixed characters. This is left as an exercise for the reader as every site is different. When sending to a VAX, I have to set my send packet size to 250 and windows to 4. Otherwise, the VMS input buffer overflows and the transfer fails. >thanks You're welcome. JamesS >Eoin From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 13 13:26:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 02:00:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 02:00:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!usenet From: zollner@iastate.edu Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 13 Jul 1995 13:26:49 GMT Organization: Iowa State University Lines: 52 Message-Id: <3u36up$iqq@news.iastate.edu> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> <3u25av$ce2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: zollner@iastate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zollner.ssp.ameslab.gov X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36350 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3195 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3u25av$ce2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >Actually, there is a standard. Its the DEC VTxxx programmer's manuals I am not sure I agree. Over the years, I have seen four different flavors of the Tektronix emulation: 1) The original VT100 graphics terminal with the Retrographics enhancement card. 2) The HIREZ graphics terminal (forgot the company, but we had tons of those). 3) The VT330 terminal. 4) An IBM PC with Kermit. All of these use a different method (escape sequence) to switch between graphics and text. Some of them (the VT330) clear the screen when switching and are therefore useless to me. Since all four are different, my VAX programs have an input parameter which tells the program the type of terminal. Therefore, I am not sure why say that there is a standard, if the VT100 and VT330 behave in a different way. Everytime we bought a new VAX terminal from DEC, we had to study the manuals and change our code. Graphics input (cursor position) is yet another story. We never got it to work with the VT330, only on (some, but not all of) the Retrographics. >I can tell you that it does not work with 3.14 nor has it worked with >any version of MS-DOS Kermit that I have had in the last two years. >The only solution you have is to spend $25 and purchase Ray Gwinn's SIO >Fossil Drivers and his VMODEM product. I don't mind spending $25 or less per machine, but I still have not figured out how to use KERMIT with Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers. The Kermit manuals mention Fossil generically, but not specifically. Therefore, I could not see how to set up SIO.SYS to invoke Kermit over the internet. I also looked at the SIO driver documentation. There is a note in the current version saying that the documentation in the current version (1.50) is incomplete. Maybe what I am looking for is not included in the current version. I loaded SIO.SYS, VSIO.SYS, and DX00.SYS in my CONFIG.STS file. The latter two take no parameters, therefore there is no problem. But what do I specify for SIO.SYS. COM1 and COM2 are standard and need no parameters. I know from reading the docs for VMODEM that there are some switches that reroute a virtual COM port through the internet, but these switches are not documented in SIOUSER.TXT or SIOREF.TXT. In summary: The Kermit docs do not explain the use of Ray Gwinn's drivers, and Ray Gwinn's docs don't explain how to use Kermit. Does anybody know how to mate the two and can explain what to put into my CONFIG.SYS and how to call KERMIT. I'd sure appreciate it. ************************************************************************ * Stefan Zollner, Assistant Professor and Associate Physicist * * Iowa State University/Ames Laboratory, A205 Physics, Ames, IA 50011 * * zollner@iastate.edu Phone: (515) 294-7327 FAX: (515) 294-0689 * ************************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 14 06:15:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20856 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 02:15:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 02:15:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 14 Jul 1995 06:15:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3u521j$s3d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> <3u25av$ce2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u36up$iqq@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36351 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3196 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u36up$iqq@news.iastate.edu>, wrote: >In <3u25av$ce2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >>Actually, there is a standard. Its the DEC VTxxx programmer's manuals > >I am not sure I agree. Over the years, I have seen four different flavors >of the Tektronix emulation: 1) The original VT100 graphics terminal with >the Retrographics enhancement card. 2) The HIREZ graphics terminal (forgot >the company, but we had tons of those). 3) The VT330 terminal. 4) An IBM >PC with Kermit. MS-dOS Kermit emulates a VT-320 terminal. Therefore, it uses the escape sequences defined for the Vt-320 when in Vt-320 mode. C-Kermit for OS/2 will also emulate a Vt-320 and will use the exact same escape sequences. >I don't mind spending $25 or less per machine, but I still have not figured >out how to use KERMIT with Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers. The Kermit manuals >mention Fossil generically, but not specifically. Therefore, I could not >see how to set up SIO.SYS to invoke Kermit over the internet. > >I also looked at the SIO driver documentation. There is a note in the >current version saying that the documentation in the current version (1.50) >is incomplete. Maybe what I am looking for is not included in the current >version. > >I loaded SIO.SYS, VSIO.SYS, and DX00.SYS in my CONFIG.STS file. The latter >two take no parameters, therefore there is no problem. But what do I >specify for SIO.SYS. COM1 and COM2 are standard and need no parameters. >I know from reading the docs for VMODEM that there are some switches that >reroute a virtual COM port through the internet, but these switches are >not documented in SIOUSER.TXT or SIOREF.TXT. You are looking for a file called VMODEM.DOC. This contains the info you need to setup a Virtual Comm Port which maps to a telnet connection. >In summary: The Kermit docs do not explain the use of Ray Gwinn's drivers, >and Ray Gwinn's docs don't explain how to use Kermit. Does anybody know how >to mate the two and can explain what to put into my CONFIG.SYS and how to >call KERMIT. I'd sure appreciate it. Its not Kermit's job to describe how to use a shareware utility on OS/2. Kermit docs describe how to use a fossil interface. By loading X00.SYS in your OS/2 config.sys file SIO provides a fossil interface to each defined COM port. Use SET PORT FOSSIL in Kermit. Here are my lines from my config.ys file: DEVICE=G:\SIO\SIO.SYS (COM1) (COM2) (COM3,INTERNET:2E8,NONE:3) DEVICE=G:\SIO\VSIO.SYS DEVICE=G:\SIO\VX00.SYS You also need to make sure that VMODEM.EXE is running. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 14 13:17:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09986 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 09:17:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 09:17:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VAX to DOS with sliding windows Date: 14 Jul 1995 13:17:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3u5qof$ar@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3u36a5$5f1@news.Ieunet.ie> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u36a5$5f1@news.Ieunet.ie>, Eoin Bairead wrote: : : Is there a problem going from DOS to VAX/VMS when using sliding windows? : : here's my .INI file : set receive pack 2000 : set send pack 2000 <--- (not needed, see the manual) : set block 3 : set control unprefixed all <--- *** : set control prefixed 0 1 3 <--- *** : set wind 4 : : In server mode I can GET all I want, but SEND falls over for retries. : My VMS Kermit is 5A(190) of C-Kermit for VAX/VMS : PC is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 : The obvious question is, what happens if you remove the commands marked by ***? If that makes it work, then clearly you have unprefixed too many control characters. Read the appropriate section of CKCKER.UPD or KERMIT.UPD about this. If that's not it, then worry about such things as flow control and the VMS configuration. For the former, see the manual; for the latter, read the CKVINS.DOC file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 14 13:22:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 09:22:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 09:22:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Send Packet too long? Date: 14 Jul 1995 13:22:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3u5r36$o4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3u3lrs$eak@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u3lrs$eak@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, John Price wrote: >I've gotten an error that is really strange... > >I've got MS Kermit 3.14 sending to CMS on an IBM mainframe. When I set >the Send Packet length to 64, I get "Send Packet too long" about half way >thru the file. If i set the packet length to 2000, it uploads fine. > Please read the manual. "set send packet-length" is almost certainly not the command you want. The packet length is governed by the receiver, which is given a "set receive packet-length" command. >Any ideas? > Patient: "It hurts when I do this." Doctor: "Don't do that". But if you're interested in pursuing the problem, you'll have to provide lots more details -- particularly the type of 3270 emulator that sits between the PC and CMS. Or is it a linemode session? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 14 13:29:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 09:29:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01195 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 09:29:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 dies with INT 14h interceptor, 3.13 works Date: 14 Jul 1995 13:29:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3u5rf7$159@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3u3nsr$rjq@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u3nsr$rjq@news.iastate.edu>, wrote: : MS-Kermit 3.13 works with the COMTCP program included in WARP CONNECT. : (COMTCP is a INT 14h interceptor). However, MS-KERMIT dies when I do a SHOW : COMM. The location and register information occurring when the KERMIT : dies seem to be random, but I can send some samples on request. : : MS-KERMIT 3.14, on the other hand, does not work with COMTCP. Has it been : tested with other INT14h interceptors ? : Of course it has. It works with numerous Int 14 interceptors, but obviously it has not been tested with every version of every Int 14 interceptor under every version of DOS with every type of network board with every external TCP/IP stack. Not to mention under DOS emulators or virtual DOS sessions under other operating systems. We're not Microsoft! Joe had an excellent suggestion: for about $70, you can buy a second Ethernet board for use in your DOS session. That should hold you over until such time as we have a native OS/2 Tek emulator. Then you can move the board to another PC, sell it, whatever. As I said, we'll keep an eye open for a solution to this problem, but we have numerous priorities that are higher. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 14 04:26:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 14:32:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Jul 1995 14:32:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!hookup!noc.tor.hookup.net!news From: bangus@hookup.net (Brian F. Angus) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 14 Jul 1995 04:26:18 GMT Organization: HookUp Communication Corporation, Oakville, Ontario, CANADA Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3u4rla$e2v@noc.tor.hookup.net> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> <3u25av$ce2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u36up$iqq@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bangus.tor.hookup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36405 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3200 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >In summary: The Kermit docs do not explain the use of Ray Gwinn's drivers, >and Ray Gwinn's docs don't explain how to use Kermit. Does anybody know how >to mate the two and can explain what to put into my CONFIG.SYS and how to >call KERMIT. I'd sure appreciate it. Treat the two independently. Set up SIO under OS2, making sure to load the vmodem driver (I believe the latest version can use the TELNET protocol). Then simply run kermit and send the following characters to the virtual modem: ATD internet_address (ie. "ATD ftp.microsoft.com") Brian From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 14 16:38:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 04:49:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 04:49:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Send Packet too long? Date: 14 Jul 1995 16:38:11 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 50 Message-Id: <3u66hj$kam@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> References: <3u3lrs$eak@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> <3u5r36$o4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3u3lrs$eak@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, : John Price wrote: : Please read the manual. "set send packet-length" is almost certainly not : the command you want. The packet length is governed by the receiver, : which is given a "set receive packet-length" command. : >Any ideas? : Patient: "It hurts when I do this." : Doctor: "Don't do that". : But if you're interested in pursuing the problem, you'll have to provide : lots more details -- particularly the type of 3270 emulator that sits : between the PC and CMS. Or is it a linemode session? : - Frank Well now, there's a question. We get to the VM through two different ways -- one is through a Cisco router with it's own internal 3270 emulator, the other is in 'linemode'. Same error both ways. The exact error is "Internal Error: Send packet too long". I've checked again, and what is happening is that MS Kermit 3.14 is trying to send a packet of length 65. (after I have set "send packet" to 64). That appears to be where it's getting hung up. I will try reseting the receive length on the VM side... The really interesting part is -- without doing *anything* to the VM, I can get this binary file to upload at 63 or at 65 (via "set send pack"), but not at 64.... I have a packet log available (two, actually) if it helps. Thanx for the help. John Price -- Just in case you mistake me for someone official, having an official opinion: I'm not, and I don't. --- --- --- --- Commodore Douglas C. Reynolds U.S.S. Atlantis NCC-1786 From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 14 16:54:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07950 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 05:37:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 05:37:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Send Packet too long? Date: 14 Jul 1995 16:54:06 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 67 Message-Id: <3u67ff$l8g@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> References: <3u3lrs$eak@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> <3u5r36$o4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u66hj$kam@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu John Price (jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu) wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : In article <3u3lrs$eak@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, : : John Price wrote: : : Please read the manual. "set send packet-length" is almost certainly not : : the command you want. The packet length is governed by the receiver, : : which is given a "set receive packet-length" command. : : >Any ideas? : : Patient: "It hurts when I do this." : : Doctor: "Don't do that". : : But if you're interested in pursuing the problem, you'll have to provide : : lots more details -- particularly the type of 3270 emulator that sits : : between the PC and CMS. Or is it a linemode session? : : - Frank : Well now, there's a question. We get to the VM through two different ways : -- one is through a Cisco router with it's own internal 3270 emulator, : the other is in 'linemode'. Same error both ways. : The exact error is "Internal Error: Send packet too long". I've checked : again, and what is happening is that MS Kermit 3.14 is trying to send a : packet of length 65. (after I have set "send packet" to 64). That appears : to be where it's getting hung up. : I will try reseting the receive length on the VM side... : The really interesting part is -- without doing *anything* to the VM, I : can get this binary file to upload at 63 or at 65 (via "set send pack"), : but not at 64.... : I have a packet log available (two, actually) if it helps. : Thanx for the help. : John Price Update: I just double checked it with the receive packet set to 64 on the VM side, and it makes no difference. The MS Kermit *still* tries to send a packet of length 65. Thanx John : -- : Just in case you mistake me for someone official, having an official opinion: : I'm not, and I don't. : --- --- --- --- : Commodore Douglas C. Reynolds : U.S.S. Atlantis : NCC-1786 -- Just in case you mistake me for someone official, having an official opinion: I'm not, and I don't. --- --- --- --- "Quick, Chandler, Say something funny! " -- Friends (the world's best *No Liner* goes to chandler) From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 15 16:02:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24850 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 12:02:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 12:02:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Send Packet too long? Date: 15 Jul 1995 16:02:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3u8oq2$1s4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3u3lrs$eak@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> <3u5r36$o4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u66hj$kam@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u66hj$kam@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, John Price wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : [ what kind of connection to IBM mainframe? ... ] : : Well now, there's a question. We get to the VM through two different ways : -- one is through a Cisco router with it's own internal 3270 emulator, : the other is in 'linemode'. Same error both ways. : You should be aware that Cisco's tn3270 versions prior to 10.3 do not allow Kermit file transfers in any straightforward way. In some cases, packets might have to be extremely short -- 40 characters or less. : The exact error is "Internal Error: Send packet too long". I've checked : again, and what is happening is that MS Kermit 3.14 is trying to send a : packet of length 65. (after I have set "send packet" to 64). That appears : to be where it's getting hung up. : : The really interesting part is -- without doing *anything* to the VM, I : can get this binary file to upload at 63 or at 65 (via "set send pack"), : but not at 64.... : So evidently we have some kind of off-by-one error when MS-DOS Kermit is supposed to be sending packets that are 64 bytes long. We'll look into this. : I have a packet log available (two, actually) if it helps. : By all means, email them to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 14 15:29:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 15:06:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 15:06:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.dell.com!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Message-Id: <1995Jul14.212957.56249@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Jul 95 21:29:56 MDT References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> <1995Jul12.211420.56017@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36487 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3204 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul12.211420.56017@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu>, zollner@iastate.edu writes: >> In <3tunpq$ou5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >>>Tek emulation will come to C-Kermit eventually. >> I have been waiting for almost 10 years to throw out the serial cables to >> my VAX. I would rather have a solution now than wait for eventually to >> happen. Besides, who knows how the Tek emulation will work in C-Kermit. >> Since there is no standard for switching between graphics and text, >> MS-KERMIT may behave differently than C-KERMIT. For both reasons, I would >> like to get MS-KERMIT working with IBM TCP/IP. >> >>>>4) Can I run MSKERMIT using the INT 14h interceptor included in the >>>> IBM TCP/IP 2.0 DOS access kit together with the TCP/IP 2.0 base for OS/2 >>>> and OS/2 2.1. >>>Maybe. Give it a try. >> >> OK. So I tried. Thanks to the guy who told me how. (It is not documented in >> WARP CONNECT): >> >> The INT 14h interceptor included in WARP and WARP CONNECT is called >> COMTCP.EXE and is located in the TCPIP/DOS/BIN directory. When I try to use >> it by typing >> COMTCP host kermit.exe >> with KERMIT set to (SET PORT BIOS1), then I get an exception in my DOS box. >> I have to close the DOS box. I tried a variety of different things, but >> without success. The location changes. The register contents are not >> reproducible. (If they were, I could post them here.) >> >> Reportedly, this functionality was working with MS-KERMIT 3.13 (more or >> less) and was broken with MS-KERMIT 3.14. I also heard that I am not >> supposed to use (or obtain) MS-KERMIT 3.13 anymore. >> >> Question: Is this something that can be fixed by changing KERMIT or does >> it require changes in the TCP/IP code from Raleigh. ------------------ This is a summary report on the above difficulty using MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 over OS/2 program COMTCP. The difficulty has been identified by the sharp eyes of Bob Babcock: COMTCP goes belly up if the COM port number in register DX has bits set in the high order byte (reg DH). The IBM PC Bios Int 14h services use only register DL, the lower byte, and ignore the high byte. Apparently COMTCP does not check the value, uses DH plus DL, and crashes if DH != 0 (and perhaps if DX > 4, but that's not been checked). MSK v3.14 clears reg DH in all places but one, and this has never been a problem until now. Adding a clearing operation lets the two programs work together, according to tests by Jeff Altman and Bob Babcock. Thanks to both gentlemen for quick testing. It seems that COMTCP needs adjustment to ignore DH and range check DL, just as the IBM PC Bios Int 14h services do. This weekend I will see if I can create a new Patch for MSK 3.14 to add the clearing operation. We will announce the patch when it's ready. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 15 19:20:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 15:20:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 15:20:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 and WARP CONNECT Date: 15 Jul 1995 19:20:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3u94ec$bmv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3tu54l$jf6@news.iastate.edu> <3u1n7b$4qr@news.iastate.edu> <1995Jul12.211420.56017@cc.usu.edu> <1995Jul14.212957.56249@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:36488 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3205 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul14.212957.56249@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > This is a summary report on the above difficulty using MS-DOS Kermit >v3.14 over OS/2 program COMTCP. > The difficulty has been identified by the sharp eyes of Bob Babcock: >COMTCP goes belly up if the COM port number in register DX has bits set in >the high order byte (reg DH). ... > This weekend I will see if I can create a new Patch for MSK 3.14 >to add the clearing operation. We will announce the patch when it's ready. > Joe D. > For those who might not have been following this discussion: this will allow the use of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 via the IBM TCP/IP COMTCP Int 14 redirector, by telling MS-DOS Kermit to "set port bios1". Another method, which already worked, was to use SIO.SYS, VSIO.SYS, VX00.SYS, and VMODEM.EXE (all from Ray Gwinn, shareware), and then use MS-DOS Kermit 3.14's "set port fossil 1" communication path. The latter method results in much better performance. A third method would have been to install a second Ethernet board and use it in the normal DOS way (e.g. with a packet driver) in a DOS window. The reason for wanting to use MS-DOS Kermit, rather than OS/2 C-Kermit, to make TCP/IP connections from Warp is for MS-DOS Kermit's Tektronix 4014 graphics terminal emulation, a feature that OS/2 C-Kermit does not yet have. Note that MS-DOS Kermit's graphics terminal emulation works only in a full screen session, not in a window. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 15 08:05:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04301 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 16:42:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 16:42:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit WAN Probs Date: 15 Jul 1995 17:35:19 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3u7srv$r5p@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3tcchb$t7l@aztec.co.za> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kuyper Hoffman (kuyper@aztec.co.za) wrote: : Sorry if this is a repost, but it hasn't left my regular machine yet : and time is short.... :-( : I have not yet seen this problem (I'm driving out there tomorrow) : but someone's told me of a problem with MSKermit (3.14) when running : over a Wide Area Network (telnet sessions into a UNIXWare Box) -- : the session simply hangs after around 5-10 minutes. ... : DOS is likely to be the latest(ish) 6.2? and I know that it's a raw : Packet Driver interface (either NE2000 or DE220 - Dlink drivers) ODI driver based telnet from MS-Kermit 3.14 to Unixware have worked fine here provided I didn't include any references to rarp (Reverse Address Resolution Protocol) in the NET.CFG. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 15 20:45:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 17:11:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17179 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 17:11:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: og01@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using Kermit as a server Date: 15 Jul 1995 16:45:33 -0400 Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3u99dd$4rds@ns3-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns3-1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using kermit with PC and modem. First time I type kermit and I used command for MS-kermit to type server. Then I dialed this computer and send some files to this computer from other computer. Everything worked. After that, I typed kermit and then type server for MS-kermit . It is okey, but either I couldn't connect this modem from another computer by dialing or I connected then I couldn't send files to this computer. --------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- The day shines for person who has eyes. OSMAN GUZIDE OG01@LEGIGH.EDU OG01@PL122C.EECS.CC.LEHIGH.EDU From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 16 01:00:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 21:03:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 21:02:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!interlog.com!io.org!twitch.io.org!jverne From: jverne@twitch.io.org (J. D. Verne) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: RPI modem scripts Date: 16 Jul 1995 01:00:48 GMT Organization: Internex Online, Toronto, Ontario, Canada (416 363 3783) Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3u9oc0$ajp@ionews.io.org> References: <3tvf48$bj@ionews.io.org> <3u1qaq$2cf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: twitch.io.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3tvf48$bj@ionews.io.org>, J. D. Verne wrote: : >In the modem docs for MSKv3.14 it talks about 'RPI' Modems using the : >Rockwell chipset and how they will only work with bundled software, not : >kermit. Has anyone written a script for this type of modem using the S : >regs to get it to speed-buffer and compress? : > : >I am guessing this is the only way to do it, if it doesn't want : >hayes-type commands. If not, tell me so I can bury the modem and buy a : >'name-brand' thanks. : > : You're joking, right? ALAS, no... : To run an RPI modem with EC and DC, you need to implement -- i.e. write : code for -- all of V.42 (LAPM) and V.42bis (LZW compression). : It's not merely a matter of setting an S-register. There *is* NO error : correction or data compression in the modem to enable. : Return it, get your money back, and if you think the marketing or packaging : was deceptive, let somebody know about it. I WAS thinking of informing my local consumer protection organization. These modems are sold quite plainly labelled with the magic words V.42 etc... Of course if I already HAD a modem, and had read this on the net, I wouldn't have bought it....? Live and learn. J. D. Verne Anyone want a modem...CHEAP? From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 15 20:05:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 21:14:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Jul 1995 21:14:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!senior.nectec.or.th!news.mahidol.ac.th!mucc!ccait From: ccait@mucc.mahidol.ac.th (Adithep Intamas - CC) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help ... MSKERMIT 3.14 problem when link modem Date: 15 Jul 1995 20:05:20 GMT Organization: Mahidol University, Thailand Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3u9720$3r7@mars.mahidol.ac.th> Nntp-Posting-Host: 202.14.162.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear sirs: I've used modem to connect the unix system using MS-KERMIT 3.14. After disconnect from unix and when modem no carrier, I press Alt-X ... it's still in kermit prompt. Could anyone tell me how to exit kermit immediately when I press Alt-X? In my MSKERMIT.INI file consisted of these phases . . . :RE_CONNECT connect set input timeout proceed clear wait 5 \cd if failure goto end_connection . . . :end_connection exit thanks. ccait From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 16 05:37:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Jul 1995 01:37:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10176 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Jul 1995 01:37:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP! Kermit file transfer has slowed! Date: 16 Jul 1995 05:37:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3ua8jh$9tu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3u4gfs$ptd@fohnix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u4gfs$ptd@fohnix.metronet.com>, Joseph Huber wrote: >I'm running ckermit for OS/2 5A(191) on my PC under OS/2 WARP; my >internet provider has HP9000's and is running ckermit 5A(190). I >connect to my provider via com2 and a Practical Peripherals PM144MTII. > >For some reason that I have not been able to determine, my kermit file >transfer rate has dropped from near 1600 cps to 1300 cps. I've noticed >that I am frequently using sliding windows; when my kermit file >transfer was working well, I rarely used more than one window. > >When using sz and rz (the p programs on OS/2) the file transfer rate >still remains near 1600 cps. I've tried just about everything I can >think of, packet size, control prefixes, window size, buffer size, but >I can't resolve the problem. The only changes I've made recently were >to upgrade to WARP and to ckermit OS/2 5A(191) (from 190). > >If anyone has any insight into this problem, I'd be very grateful. > >Thanks!! Sorry for taking so long to follow up on this one. But I have been unable to determine exactly what may be the problem. On my system 191 actually gets somewhat better performance than 190. The differences between the two have to do with the priority settings of various threads. Questions that come to mind are: how much RAM do you have? what is the DISK I/O Priority setting in CONFIG.SYS? What other processes are running and at what Priority levels? It could be that P runs at a higher priority (and requires less RAM) so it is therefore less affected by various system setups. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 17 10:47:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 06:56:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11533 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 06:56:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.azstarnet.com!sun.cais.com!news.iac.net!usenet From: esimonds@iac.net (Ed Simonds) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Attack dialing Date: 17 Jul 1995 10:47:46 GMT Organization: Internet Access Cincinnati 513-887-8877 Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3udf4j$h32@cheyenne.iac.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: simonds.iac.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am beginning to figure out how to script 3.14 for attack dialing a host that is often busy. Has anybody done this, and are there examples somewhere? Is this group archived somewhere? I am starting from scratch with the scripting. TIA for all responses. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 17 12:54:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01593 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 08:54:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 08:54:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help ... MSKERMIT 3.14 problem when link modem Date: 17 Jul 1995 12:54:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3udmhe$fkb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3u9720$3r7@mars.mahidol.ac.th> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3u9720$3r7@mars.mahidol.ac.th>, Adithep Intamas - CC wrote: : I've used modem to connect the unix system using MS-KERMIT 3.14. After : disconnect from unix and when modem no carrier, I press Alt-X ... it's : still in kermit prompt. Could anyone tell me how to exit kermit immediately : when I press Alt-X? In my MSKERMIT.INI file consisted of these phases : : :RE_CONNECT : connect <--- (1) : set input timeout proceed : clear : wait 5 \cd : if failure goto end_connection : . <--- (2) : :end_connection : exit : I do not understand the situation well enough to be certain what the problem is. If the CONNECT command marked with arrow (1) is the one you escaping back from with Alt-x, then your script will reach the END_CONNECTION label and EXIT if the CD signal is coming in to the serial port. If it is not, then the commands marked with arrow (2) are executed, but you did not show what those are. If you are executing this script and Kermit returns to the prompt when you press Alt-x, then I suspect the missing code (2) is responsible. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 17 17:19:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 14:53:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 14:53:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news3.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail From: hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: dialing program; modem receives dialstring but doesn't dial? Date: 17 Jul 1995 13:19:44 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, New Jersey, USA Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3ue63g$g3n@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: cnj.digex.net Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.programmer:32354 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3213 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have a simple program to dial out via a hayes modem. When run, the modem RD and TD lights blink showing that it receives the dial string from the program but doesn't really dial out. Here is the relevant piece of code. Any help is appreciated. Thanks Atiq ------------------------------------- void sttyModem(int fd) { struct termio tbuf; if (ioctl(fd, TCGETA, &tbuf) < 0 ) cerr << "ioctl(TCGETA) failed; errno = "<< errno << endl; tbuf.c_iflag = IXON | IXOFF | ISTRIP | IGNBRK | IGNPAR; tbuf.c_oflag = 0; tbuf.c_lflag = 0; tbuf.c_cflag = B300 | CS7 | CREAD | HUPCL | PARENB; tbuf.c_cc[4] = 1; // MIN tbuf.c_cc[5] = 0; // TIME if (ioctl(fd, TCSETAF, &tbuf)) cerr << "ioctl(TCSETAF) failed; errno = "<< errno << endl; } main() { int tty_fd; tty_fd=open(....) etc. sttyModem(tty_fd); char *str="ATDT91(800)222-3333\r"; //some number char ss[10]; write(tty_fd, str, strlen(str)); read(tty_fd, ss, 1); // other code.......... exit(0); } From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 17 19:03:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 18:04:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 18:04:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!cpmt.cyberport.net!usenet From: christmn@cyberport.net () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Issue modem commands C-Kermt Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 19:03:49 GMT Organization: Cyberport Montana. Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3uebmv$t56@cpmt.cyberport.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: cpmt2.cyberport.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! Well, I know, I'm missing something real basic here. my appologies for that. Using C-Kermit I want to issue various AT modem commands to our modems. For example, AT&V (show configuration profiles). I have several docs I've ftp'd regarding the use of C-Kermit, but I cannot find anything explaing how I do this :( TIA richard From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 17 22:13:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 18:13:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 18:13:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Issue modem commands C-Kermt Date: 17 Jul 1995 22:13:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3uenar$31j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uebmv$t56@cpmt.cyberport.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uebmv$t56@cpmt.cyberport.net>, wrote: : Using C-Kermit I want to issue various AT modem commands to our : modems. For example, AT&V (show configuration profiles). I have : several docs I've ftp'd regarding the use of C-Kermit, but I cannot : find anything explaing how I do this :( : As explained in the manual: set carrier off connect and then type AT commands to your heart's content. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 17 23:10:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07951 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 19:11:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 19:11:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps Subject: Patch 9 for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Date: 17 Jul 1995 23:10:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3ueqm1$6rb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Warp CONNECT, COMTCP Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3216 comp.os.os2.apps:90588 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In light of recent discussion regarding use of MS-DOS Kermit to make network connections from OS/2 via Warp CONNECT's COMTCP Interrupt 14 redirector, a new patch has been issued that prevents COMTCP from failing and allows MS-DOS Kermit to work with it via the SET PORT BIOSn communications path. This is Patch 9 to KERMIT.EXE (the full version). Thanks to Joe Doupnik for creating the patch, and to Bob Babcock for the crucial insight, to Jeff Altman and others who worked on the problem, and to Stefan Zollner for reporting the problem in the first place and testing the patch. The new patch file can be obtained via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a, text mode, file msr314.pch. The kermit/archives/msvibm.zip file has also been updated to include the new patch file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 17 20:42:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 20:41:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 20:41:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!solaria.sol.net!not-for-mail From: helix@solaria.sol.net (Rob Radvanovsky) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sending remote commands via KERMIT Date: 17 Jul 1995 15:42:06 -0500 Organization: SkyNet Communication Services Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3uehuu$r5m@solaria.mil.wi.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: solaria.mil.wi.us Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to be able to tie into a given system, initiate a log capture, then send commands once connected to a remote system. The target system does not have KERMIT, so I would like to find a (relatively) easy method for such a process. Any takers on this one? Any help would be useful. Thanks. -r From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 17 21:08:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15017 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 22:14:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Jul 1995 22:14:11 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: ************ Down Loading - which protocol ??!! ************ Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Sender: jhurwit@netcom7.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <3ue9uh$t5p@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 21:08:39 GMT Lines: 37 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:102841 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3218 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [Followup's to comp.protocols.kermit.misc] In article , puma@netcom.com (Gary Breuckman) wrote: >In article <3ue9uh$t5p@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>, >Mr NM Ng wrote: >>Hi I just got a modem (14.4k) and I was wondering if anyone could tell me >>if my KERMIT downloads are EXTREMELY slow for any particular reason, i.e. >>is it just that protocol, or are some of my settings likely to be "funny" ? >>I tried increasing window size but that didn;t allow much increment. > >Kermit is designed to work over any connection, but there are a number of >things that can be adjusted for better transfer rate. Window size is one >of them but even more important is > set send packet 1000 > set rec packet 1000 >so that kermit will use a larger packet size. You will likely have to do >this on BOTH ends of the connection, unless the defaults are already in >place on one end. Depending on the version of kermit, there are files >defined where you can put these commands so you don't have to enter them >each time, for DOS it's MSKERMIT.INI for UNIX try .kermrc That's two out of three: 1) Optimum number of windows, 2) larger packets, and 3) control character unprefixing (for binary files on 8-bit datapaths). Get the latest kermit software from Columbia U., read the docs carefully, and follow the discussions on comp.protocols.kermit.misc. Experiment with your settings to find the optimums. Optimums for packet size and unprefixed control characters will not necessarily be the same for both directions. The latest Kermit software for MS-DOS is (as I recall) ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/msvibm.zip. If your site doesn't have the latest "host" Kermit, you might investigate getting the sources and building your own. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 00:37:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 00:10:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 00:10:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cyberspace.com!usenet From: cbeard@cyberspace.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Extra Line Feeds\Car. Returns Date: 18 Jul 1995 00:37:07 GMT Organization: C y b e r S p a c e - (206) 505-5577 Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3uevnj$f88@armitage.cyberspace.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp52-121.cyberspace.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit Users, I am having problems while transferring a file from a VAX VMS system running CKermit 5A (188) to my PC. I use ProComm for windows, but I have also tried Kermit 3.14, Telix Kermit and HyperTerm Kermit to no avail. I am transferring a JPEG file. The file transfer seems fine, but the photo has almost 3 times to many line feed/carriage returns in it. I have a copy of the files I have been testing with and it has 125 lines - to the 380 lines in the Kermit version. There does not seem to be a pattern to the extra returns. The VAX also has VMS Kermit - 32, which works the same. I have also played with packet lengths and tried text and binary. The Show command on the VAX says the packet length is 1024 and the file type is text - which seems strange to as it's a JPEG file. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much. Curt From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 01:55:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25042 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 02:02:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 02:02:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU!minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU!s925047 From: s925047@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (David Geoffrey King) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit under Windows NAtive Date: 18 Jul 1995 01:55:27 GMT Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3uf4af$lj4@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au Nntp-Posting-User: s925047 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for a package that runs Kermit transfer under windows in native mode. the only one i've got shells kermit in a window and it runs into memory problems. any help would be greatly appriciated Dave. Email preferred. -- So What is it??? From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 12:44:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:45:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:45:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Extra Line Feeds\Car. Returns Date: 18 Jul 1995 12:44:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3ugac5$mo1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uevnj$f88@armitage.cyberspace.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uevnj$f88@armitage.cyberspace.com>, wrote: : I am having problems while transferring a file from a VAX VMS system : running CKermit 5A (188) to my PC. I use ProComm for windows, but I : have also tried Kermit 3.14, Telix Kermit and HyperTerm Kermit to no : avail. : : I am transferring a JPEG file. The file transfer seems fine, but the : photo has almost 3 times to many line feed/carriage returns in it. I : have a copy of the files I have been testing with and it has 125 lines - : to the 380 lines in the Kermit version. There does not seem to be a : pattern to the extra returns. : : The VAX also has VMS Kermit - 32, which works the same. I have also : played with packet lengths and tried text and binary. The Show command : on the VAX says the packet length is 1024 and the file type is text - : which seems strange to as it's a JPEG file. : On VMS, do a "dir/full" of the file. I'll bet it lists the record format as Stream_LF, which is a text type. If you read the VMS appendix of the C-Kermit manual, "Using C-Kermit", you'll see that the VMS version of C-Kermit automatically sets its transfer mode to text or binary on a per file basis when sending files, based on the record format of each file. In the same Appendix, you'll also find the command that lets you override this behavior: SET FILE TYPE IMAGE Please read the appendix for a fuller explanation. As to why your JPEG file has a text-style record format, that's another question. I suspect the software that created it was written in C, whose i/o libraries create files with this type by default, and the authors did not know how to give it a proper binary type, such as fixed. The same thing happens with ZIP files on VMS. If SET FILE TYPE FIXED does not fix the problem, then it is very likely that the copy of the file that you have on VMS is itself corrupted by having been uploaded in text mode (e.g. with FTP or Kermit) rather than binary mode. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 12:50:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:51:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:51:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under Windows NAtive Date: 18 Jul 1995 12:50:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3ugana$n3j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uf4af$lj4@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uf4af$lj4@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU>, David Geoffrey King wrote: >I'm looking for a package that runs Kermit transfer under windows in >native mode. the only one i've got shells kermit in a window and it runs >into memory problems. any help would be greatly appriciated > The one and only Kermit program that we (the Kermit project) produce, recommend, and support for Windows 3.x at this time is MS-DOS Kermit. If all you need it for is file transfer -- like an "external protocol", the new "Kermit Lite" is perfect for you. You can invoke it silently, it won't cause any memory problems (unless you already have problems with your memory configuration), it has the best Kermit transfers you'll find for Windows in any software, and we support it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 16:45:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 12:45:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 12:45:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sending remote commands via KERMIT Date: 18 Jul 1995 16:45:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3ugoff$bvl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uehuu$r5m@solaria.mil.wi.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uehuu$r5m@solaria.mil.wi.us>, Rob Radvanovsky wrote: >I would like to be able to tie into a given system, initiate a log >capture, then send commands once connected to a remote system. The target >system does not have KERMIT, so I would like to find a (relatively) easy >method for such a process. This all sounds very routine. I guess I don't understand the problem. You can issue the CONNECT command to your local Kermit after tying in, and you will be "talking" directly to the remote system. If you have LOG SESSION in effect, the traffic will be recorded. You can even automate the login process as well as the remote commands by writing an appropriate macro or two. It doesn't matter at all that the remote system has no Kermit, as long as you don't need to transfer any files. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 13:19:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:51:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 13:51:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!news3.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail From: hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: dialing program; modem receives dial string but doesn't dialout ? Date: 18 Jul 1995 09:19:38 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, New Jersey, USA Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3ugcda$6uk@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: cnj.digex.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have a simple program to dial out via a hayes modem. When run, the modem RD and TD lights blink showing that it receives the dial string from the program but doesn't really dial out. Here is the relevant piece of code. Any help is appreciated. Thanks Atiq ------------------------------------- void sttyModem(int fd) { struct termio tbuf; if (ioctl(fd, TCGETA, &tbuf) < 0 ) cerr << "ioctl(TCGETA) failed; errno = "<< errno << endl; tbuf.c_iflag = IXON | IXOFF | ISTRIP | IGNBRK | IGNPAR; tbuf.c_oflag = 0; tbuf.c_lflag = 0; tbuf.c_cflag = B300 | CS7 | CREAD | HUPCL | PARENB; tbuf.c_cc[4] = 1; // MIN tbuf.c_cc[5] = 0; // TIME if (ioctl(fd, TCSETAF, &tbuf)) cerr << "ioctl(TCSETAF) failed; errno = "<< errno << endl; } main() { int tty_fd; tty_fd=open(....) etc. sttyModem(tty_fd); char *str="ATDT91(800)222-3333\r"; //some number char ss[10]; write(tty_fd, str, strlen(str)); read(tty_fd, ss, 1); // other code.......... exit(0); } From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 08:06:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:43:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27533 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:43:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!sun4nl!news.iaf.nl!news.vcd.nl!news From: harry@vcd.nl (Harry Venema) Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: dialing program; modem receives dialstring but doesn't dial? Date: 18 Jul 1995 08:06:39 GMT Organization: VCD Automatisering B.V, Groningen, the Netherlands Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3ufq2f$1lh@vcd.nl> References: <3ue63g$g3n@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: viper.vcd.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.programmer:32383 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3225 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ue63g$g3n@cnj.digex.net>, hashmi@cnj.digex.net says... > > > >Hi, > >I have a simple program to dial out via a hayes modem. When run, the >modem RD and TD lights blink showing that it receives the dial string >from the program but doesn't really dial out. >Here is the relevant piece of code. Any help is appreciated. >Thanks > >Atiq >------------------------------------- [ source deleted ] >main() >{ > int tty_fd; > tty_fd=open(....) etc. > sttyModem(tty_fd); > > char *str="ATDT91(800)222-3333\r"; //some number > char ss[10]; > > write(tty_fd, str, strlen(str)); > read(tty_fd, ss, 1); > // other code.......... > exit(0); >} I had the same problem a few years ago. Some modems don't like receiving an AT command at full speed. I solved the problem bij sending each character seperate and waiting for the output to drain by using the ioctl command. Change your single write into a loop where each character is written seperately followed by ioctl(tty_fd,TCSBRK,1). Harry Venema -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Venema | VCD Services B.V email work: harry@vcd.nl | Osloweg 131 home: harry@pyrrus.iaf.nl | 9723 BK Groningen, the Netherlands #include | Voice +31 50 975500 Fax: +31 50 975597 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 14:22:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 18:22:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 18:22:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Issue modem commands C-Kermt Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:22:03 GMT Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3ugfso$bou@ccnet.ccnet.com> References: <3uebmv$t56@cpmt.cyberport.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu christmn@cyberport.net () wrote: >Hi! >Well, I know, I'm missing something real basic here. my appologies for >that. >Using C-Kermit I want to issue various AT modem commands to our >modems. For example, AT&V (show configuration profiles). I have >several docs I've ftp'd regarding the use of C-Kermit, but I cannot >find anything explaing how I do this :( >TIA >richard Try this: 1) Make sure you define the port, ie SET PORT COM3: 2) Make sure you define the speed, ie SET SPEED 9600 Then CONNECT. This should get you to a full page blank screen. At this point, I suggest the first thing you do is ATE1 so that whatever you type is echoed. Good luck! Greg Bernard 1900 South Norfolk Street San Mateo CA 94403 gbernard@dbc.com All opinions, if I had any, are my own. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 18:36:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 19:36:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 19:36:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!rockyd!cmcl2!cmcl2.nyu.edu!pintzuks From: pintzuks@acf2.nyu.edu (pintzuks) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS Compatibility Card & Kermit Date: 18 Jul 1995 18:36:29 GMT Organization: New York University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3uguvd$kmu@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: acf2.nyu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just bought a Power Macintosh 6100/66 with Geoport Telecom Adapter (14400 bps) and a DOS Compatibility Card, and I got the latest versions of MacKermit (0.991(190)) and MS-Kermit (3.13, simplified version) distributed by NYU's Academic Computing Facility. MacKermit works just fine, so I know that all the modem hardware is working. But I am having problems using MS-Kermit under DOS on the Compatibility Card. I set the port and the modem speed, and I can dial and make a connection (so I'm accessing the modem), but at various points in the introductory stages of getting to NYUMODEM (NYU's terminal server) and through to the computer on which I have an account, the connection drops and/or the modem makes strange noises (clicks and buzzes) and at times the phone that I'm dialing on rings in short bursts. Usually when this happens, the entire operating system freezes and I have to restart. Has anyone used Kermit in this way? Does anyone have any suggestions for things that I can try? Susan Pintzuk pintzuks@acf2.nyu.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 22:45:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24602 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 21:58:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 21:58:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!emf.emf.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!tesuque.cs.sandia.gov!lynx.unm.edu!bubba.NMSU.Edu!bmurphy From: bmurphy@nmsu.edu (Brian D. Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help needed with Kermit protocol specifications Date: 18 Jul 1995 22:45:25 GMT Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3uhdi5$jki@bubba.NMSU.Edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: verdi.nmsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for exact specification on the kermit file transfer protocol. I have been unable to locate a good source for kermit specs. Could someone please e-mail me the specs. or a place to ftp them. (or a faq or any information that might be helpful.) Thanks Brian Murphy bmurphy@nmsu.edu http://palpha.nmsu.edu:8001/~bmurphy/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 23:44:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 22:39:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Jul 1995 22:39:22 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Help needed with Kermit protocol specifications Message-Id: Sender: jhurwit@netcom11.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <3uhdi5$jki@bubba.NMSU.Edu> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 23:44:01 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uhdi5$jki@bubba.NMSU.Edu>, bmurphy@nmsu.edu (Brian D. Murphy) wrote: >I am looking for exact specification on the kermit file transfer >protocol. I have been unable to locate a good source for kermit specs. Have a look in _Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol_ by Frank da Cruz. Should be available in your university library. [Cc to poster.] Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 19 15:45:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27916 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:55:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:55:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!vms.csd.mu.edu!3RX7DONETSS From: 3rx7donetss@vmsa.csd.mu.edu (SIMCHA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Lite? Date: 19 Jul 1995 15:45:57 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 5 Message-Id: <0099394D.4B9D684B@vms.csd.mu.edu> Reply-To: 3rx7donetss@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: vmsc.csd.mu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can Kermit Lite be found? Thanks for any help Si From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 19 22:21:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:21:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:21:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Lite? Date: 19 Jul 1995 22:21:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3uk0gp$e3c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <0099394D.4B9D684B@vms.csd.mu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <0099394D.4B9D684B@vms.csd.mu.edu>, SIMCHA <3rx7donetss@vms.csd.mu.edu> wrote: >Where can Kermit Lite be found? > It's on the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette, along with the full and medium versions: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/msvibm.zip - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 19 05:56:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:05:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:05:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!emf.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS Compatibility Card & Kermit Message-Id: <1995Jul19.115658.56565@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Jul 95 11:56:58 MDT References: <3uguvd$kmu@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uguvd$kmu@cmcl2.NYU.EDU>, pintzuks@acf2.nyu.edu (pintzuks) writes: > I just bought a Power Macintosh 6100/66 with Geoport Telecom Adapter (14400 > bps) and a DOS Compatibility Card, and I got the latest versions of > MacKermit (0.991(190)) and MS-Kermit (3.13, simplified version) distributed > by NYU's Academic Computing Facility. MacKermit works just fine, so I know > that all the modem hardware is working. But I am having problems using > MS-Kermit under DOS on the Compatibility Card. I set the port and the > modem speed, and I can dial and make a connection (so I'm accessing the > modem), but at various points in the introductory stages of getting to > NYUMODEM (NYU's terminal server) and through to the computer on which I > have an account, the connection drops and/or the modem makes strange noises > (clicks and buzzes) and at times the phone that I'm dialing on rings in > short bursts. Usually when this happens, the entire operating system > freezes and I have to restart. > > Has anyone used Kermit in this way? Does anyone have any suggestions for > things that I can try? > > Susan Pintzuk > pintzuks@acf2.nyu.edu --------- Susan, The current release of MSK is v3.14. From your description of affairs the telco line is certainly in need of improvment, for one thing. And emulator boards are never 100% or even close to it. Thus I'm mildly surprized that you got it to work at all. My only suggestion is to transfer to Columbia Univ where the lines work and PCs abound, but you didn't want to hear that. In any case, it's not a Kermit problem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 18 03:08:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:40:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:40:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under Windows NAtive Message-Id: <1995Jul18.090800.56471@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Jul 95 09:08:00 MDT References: <3uf4af$lj4@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uf4af$lj4@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU>, s925047@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (David Geoffrey King) writes: > I'm looking for a package that runs Kermit transfer under windows in > native mode. > the only one i've got shells kermit in a window and it runs into memory > problems. > any help would be greatly appriciated ---------- If memory is your problem then best to attend to it. MS-DOS Kermit is the only Columbia Kermit for DOS and Windows at this time, and it runs well in a windows of Windows. There is no need to shell out to DOS to run Kermit; just create an icon and run it in a window. You did not mention which package you are using, but we support only Columbia Kermits. If it's not MS-DOS Kermit then please try it: grab quick start kit binary file msvibm.zip in directory kermit/ms-dos on kermit.columbia.edu. Instructions included. Joe D. s text - which seems strange to as it's a JPEG file. ---------- The file is binary, not text. Please use binary transfer to move it, as explained in the manuals. Also be aware that VMS supports a rich variety of file types, far beyond that of DOS and Unix, and for all we know the file is already in bad shape by being moved to the VAX by a text mode transfer. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 19 08:01:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:42:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04222 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:42:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!emf.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed with Kermit protocol specifications Message-Id: <1995Jul19.140105.56579@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Jul 95 14:01:05 MDT References: <3uhdi5$jki@bubba.NMSU.Edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uhdi5$jki@bubba.NMSU.Edu>, bmurphy@nmsu.edu (Brian D. Murphy) writes: > I am looking for exact specification on the kermit file transfer > protocol. I have been unable to locate a good source for kermit specs. > > Could someone please e-mail me the specs. or a place to ftp them. (or a > faq or any information that might be helpful.) ------------ The exact, formal, official specs are published: the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, Digital Press, 1987, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. Columbia Univ is a good contact point on supplies. The Kermit protocol is a rich one and not something one runs off on a few pages of dot matrix printing. There have been superset additions made to the protocol since publication and those are held as text files on kermit.columbia.edu. The list's FAQ is also there and worth reading. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 20 08:05:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 04:19:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14687 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 04:19:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:05:40 GMT Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: >Hi there, > >Running Kermit 190, I'd like to download software from CompuServe over >their Internet access. However, the filetransfer stops with synchronization >errors and others... > >Anybody could provide me a .kermrc with a tuned setup for these downloads? You should be able to do better. These are results I got downloading compressed files with SCO Unix Professional-YAM over the Internet using a 14.4 PPP connection. K DIGI0032.JPG 414227 672 615.94 0 0 0 2043 -1 T cis K DIGI0031.JPG 188152 681 275.95 0 0 0 2043 -1 T cis R digi0029.jpg 161999 1484 109.14 0 0 0 128 2 rb cis E digi0028.jpg 24576 962 25.53 0 10 0 1024 -1 rb cis C digi0028.jpg 182266 1447 125.93 0 0 0 128 1 B cis K DIGI0027.JPG 140818 612 229.81 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis C digi0025.jpg 111577 1471 75.80 0 0 0 128 17 B cis K DIGI0023.JPG 129055 709 181.82 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis C digi0022.jpg 110808 1454 76.18 0 0 0 128 0 B cis K DIGI0017.JPG 598644 647 924.06 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis K WZCOMM.ZIP 177603 1453 122.18 0 0 0 4085 -1 T psu K = Kermit R = ymodem-g C = CompuServe 32 bit B+ YMODEM-g is the fastest on CompuServe, but it won't be reliable over internet until CompuServe gets the flow control right. ZMODEM is not generally available on CompuServe, so the B+ must be used. The Kermit timings do not include the annoying pause at startup, so the real Kermit time is a bit worse than shown. These figures indicate CompuServe's Kermit is not very spiffy. This is the situation on most services. Unlike ZMODEM, freely usable Kermit code is not very efficient. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 19 02:01:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:13:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:13:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!news.psc.edu!news.radian.com.!news From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-KERMIT 3.14 Multiple TCP/IP sessions Date: 19 Jul 1995 02:01:13 GMT Organization: RADIAN Corporation Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3uhp19$ihj@zippy.radian.com> Reply-To: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Nntp-Posting-Host: tphelmst-65194.radian.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 with the latest patch that fixed my problem with multiple TCP/IP sessions disconnecting (Thank-you!) Now, however, if a session has a bell sent to it, the bell codes will queue up until the session becomes current. You then have to minutes, all the while the bell is chirping, before the queue is cleared. I could turn the bell off but then I would sit idle while the codes clear, but my users will think they are hung. I am connecting to a Unisys U6000 running SRV4. Has anyone else experienced this? From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 20 14:29:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12950 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:30:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:29:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 20 Jul 1995 14:29:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: : In article <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com>, : Daniel Huber wrote: : >Running Kermit 190, I'd like to download software from CompuServe over : >their Internet access. However, the filetransfer stops with synchronization : >errors and others... : > : >Anybody could provide me a .kermrc with a tuned setup for these downloads? : : You should be able to do better. These are results I got downloading : compressed files with SCO Unix Professional-YAM over the Internet using : a 14.4 PPP connection. : : K DIGI0032.JPG 414227 672 615.94 0 0 0 2043 -1 T cis : K DIGI0031.JPG 188152 681 275.95 0 0 0 2043 -1 T cis : R digi0029.jpg 161999 1484 109.14 0 0 0 128 2 rb cis : E digi0028.jpg 24576 962 25.53 0 10 0 1024 -1 rb cis : C digi0028.jpg 182266 1447 125.93 0 0 0 128 1 B cis : K DIGI0027.JPG 140818 612 229.81 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis : C digi0025.jpg 111577 1471 75.80 0 0 0 128 17 B cis : K DIGI0023.JPG 129055 709 181.82 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis : C digi0022.jpg 110808 1454 76.18 0 0 0 128 0 B cis : K DIGI0017.JPG 598644 647 924.06 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis : K WZCOMM.ZIP 177603 1453 122.18 0 0 0 4085 -1 T psu : What do the columns of numbers represent? : K = Kermit : R = ymodem-g : C = CompuServe 32 bit B+ : : YMODEM-g is the fastest on CompuServe, but it won't be reliable : over internet until CompuServe gets the flow control right. : : ZMODEM is not generally available on CompuServe, so the B+ must be used. : : The Kermit timings do not include the annoying pause at startup, : so the real Kermit time is a bit worse than shown. These : figures indicate CompuServe's Kermit is not very spiffy. This : is the situation on most services. Unlike ZMODEM, freely usable : Kermit code is not very efficient. : Amen. CompuServe could very easily have installed fully capable Kermit protocol, but it chose not to do so. Readers may draw their own conclusions as to the reason, bearing their connect-time charges in mind. I would encourage paying CompuServe users to complain to CompuServe about the lack of a decent Kermit (and for that matter, Zmodem) file transfer capability, and to contact us at Columbia (and the management at Omen) if they want to put things right. They are, after all, not exactly cash-starved. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 19 07:57:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21250 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 12:56:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 12:56:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.corp.hp.com!isonews.bbn.hp.com!wwwcrc.swiss.hp.com!danielh From: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 19 Jul 1995 07:57:50 GMT Organization: Swiss Response Center Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpber199.swiss.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi there, Running Kermit 190, I'd like to download software from CompuServe over their Internet access. However, the filetransfer stops with synchronization errors and others... Anybody could provide me a .kermrc with a tuned setup for these downloads? Thanks in advance Daniel -- Daniel Huber, OSC, Hewlett Packard Switzerland, Niederwangen, HP8702 SMTP: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (or Daniel_Huber@hp8700.desk.hp.com) X.400: /G=Daniel/S=Huber/OU=HP8700/O=HP/P=HP/A=ArCom/C=CH/ If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? --- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Owns --- From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 19 15:45:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24284 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:38:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:38:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 Multiple TCP/IP sessions Message-Id: <1995Jul19.214513.56615@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Jul 95 21:45:13 MDT References: <3uhp19$ihj@zippy.radian.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uhp19$ihj@zippy.radian.com>, Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: > I am running MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 with the latest patch that fixed my problem with multiple > TCP/IP sessions disconnecting (Thank-you!) Now, however, if a session has a bell sent to it, > the bell codes will queue up until the session becomes current. You then have to minutes, > all the while the bell is chirping, before the queue is cleared. I could turn the bell off > but then I would sit idle while the codes clear, but my users will think they are hung. > I am connecting to a Unisys U6000 running SRV4. Has anyone else experienced this? ------------ That's a normal artifact of running multiple sessions and letting some block. Bytes aren't lost, thank goodness. And there isn't a practical way of keeping all sessions active because terminal emulation is required of each (and some commands generate feedback too). You can revert to visual bells (SET BELL VISUAL) and watch the local lightning storm on your monitor. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 20 19:20:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 05:39:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24164 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 05:38:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!be946 From: be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Simon C.Hall) Subject: Kermit88 for the Z88 Message-Id: Sender: be946@freenet3.carleton.ca (Simon C.Hall) Reply-To: be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Simon C.Hall) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 19:20:00 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi and thats for taking the time to read this. Have you heard of or know of any info about kermit88 for the Cambridge Computers Z88.I have a copy of this program but there seems to be some parts missing, can you help me? reagards be946@freenet.carleton.ca jim aka simon regards From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 21 20:10:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 16:59:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 16:59:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!news-server.eecs.umich.edu!huggins From: huggins@tarski.eecs.umich.edu (James K. Huggins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Proof of Correctness Available Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 21 Jul 1995 20:10:18 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 38 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: tarski.eecs.umich.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In his preface to Frank da Cruz's book Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol, Don Knuth wrote: I hope that many readers of this book will be challenged to find high-level concepts and invariant relations by which various versions of the Kermit protocol can be proved correct in a mathematical sense. I'm pleased to announce that such a proof has recently been completed. The proof gives a complete specification of the core Kermit file transfer protocol, and shows that it is both safe (if you get a file, you can be sure it's the one that was sent) and live (if you send a file, and the network isn't too bad, it gets to the other end). The proof (written by myself) appears as part of a new book, "Specification and Validation Methods", edited by Egon Boerger and available through Oxford University Press (ISBN 0-19-853854-5, official publishing date 3 August 1995). Thanks to the good folks at Oxford University Press, as well as Frank da Cruz at Columbia, the Kermit proof has been made available as part of the Kermit repository at Columbia University. Those of you with WWW access can find the cover page for the proof, including more detailed information on the book containing the proof, at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/proof.html The proof itself (in PostScript) is available via anonymous FTP as ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/proof.ps As the author of the proof, I'd be happy to hear any comments or questions you might have about the proof. The proof uses a relatively new specification methodology known as "evolving algebras"; an introduction to the method is contained in the proof. I'd be happy to discuss the technique with anyone who might be interested. Jim Huggins (huggins@umich.edu) From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 22 00:39:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:39:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 20:39:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Proposed Change in Dialing Directory Format Date: 22 Jul 1995 00:39:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3uphbn$u1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Those of you who use MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit dialing directories know the dialing directory is a plain text file, one line per entry. Each line looks like this: name number speed parity comments For example: info 18005551212 2400 even Blah blah blah The first four fields have to be "words", in the Kermit sense, with no embedded spaces. Or, if they must contain embedded spaces, they have to be braced, e.g.: info {1 800 555 1212} 2400 even Blah blah blah The question is: Does anybody actually use the speed and parity fields? Or if you do, would you care a lot of they went away? If you think about it, the real purpose of a dialing directory is to let you use names in place of numbers, so it really should contain only a name and the associated phone number or, perhaps, a list of phone numbers to be tried until one answers. The speed is a property of your modem (or maybe of the other modem), but that is not necessarily tied to the phone number. For example, if you have a 2400 bps modem on one computer (or port) and a V.34 modem on another, that should not require you to have different dialing directories. Similarly, the parity is a property of the host or service or device you are calling (or calling from) and might well be independent of the phone number. Removing the speed and parity fields would let us write the phone number in a more readable, convenient, intuitive, and transportable fashion, e.g. for importing and exporting dialing directories from/to other applications. The place for the other items would be in a services directory (like C-Kermit's), which would provide complete service -- connection establishment and automatic logging in. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 22 13:13:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Jul 1995 11:11:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16246 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Jul 1995 11:11:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 13:13:49 GMT Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 93 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >: In article <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com>, >: Daniel Huber wrote: >: >Running Kermit 190, I'd like to download software from CompuServe over >: >their Internet access. However, the filetransfer stops with synchronization >: >errors and others... >: > >: >Anybody could provide me a .kermrc with a tuned setup for these downloads? >: >: You should be able to do better. These are results I got downloading >: compressed files with SCO Unix Professional-YAM over the Internet using >: a 14.4 PPP connection. >: >: K DIGI0032.JPG 414227 672 615.94 0 0 0 2043 -1 T cis >: K DIGI0031.JPG 188152 681 275.95 0 0 0 2043 -1 T cis >: R digi0029.jpg 161999 1484 109.14 0 0 0 128 2 rb cis >: E digi0028.jpg 24576 962 25.53 0 10 0 1024 -1 rb cis >: C digi0028.jpg 182266 1447 125.93 0 0 0 128 1 B cis >: K DIGI0027.JPG 140818 612 229.81 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis >: C digi0025.jpg 111577 1471 75.80 0 0 0 128 17 B cis >: K DIGI0023.JPG 129055 709 181.82 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis >: C digi0022.jpg 110808 1454 76.18 0 0 0 128 0 B cis >: K DIGI0017.JPG 598644 647 924.06 0 0 0 2043 -1 rb cis >: K WZCOMM.ZIP 177603 1453 122.18 0 0 0 4085 -1 T psu >: >What do the columns of numbers represent? For wzcomm.zip (beta test of a native 32 bit WIN32 version of ZCOMM shareware comms program for Win95 or NT): 177603 bytes transferred in file 1453 characters per second average throughput for file 122.18 seconds transfer time for file 4085 data bytes in last or largest packet > >: K = Kermit >: R = ymodem-g >: C = CompuServe 32 bit B+ >: >: YMODEM-g is the fastest on CompuServe, but it won't be reliable >: over internet until CompuServe gets the flow control right. >: >: ZMODEM is not generally available on CompuServe, so the B+ must be used. >: >: The Kermit timings do not include the annoying pause at startup, >: so the real Kermit time is a bit worse than shown. These >: figures indicate CompuServe's Kermit is not very spiffy. This >: is the situation on most services. Unlike ZMODEM, freely usable >: Kermit code is not very efficient. >: >Amen. CompuServe could very easily have installed fully capable Kermit >protocol, but it chose not to do so. Readers may draw their own conclusions >as to the reason, bearing their connect-time charges in mind. Developers such as Datastorm and CompuServe tend to make use of royalty-free code when implementing protocols. The most recent royalty-free Kermit code released with the blessing of Columbia University is "The Source" SuperKermit code published in the middle 1980s. As Frank himself has commented, this version of Kermit was not robust. Its poor performance prompted GTE Telenet to commission the creation of ZMODEM in 1985/1986. The rest is history. CompuServe claim they have not widely deployed ZMODEM because it consumes too many resources. I suspect CompuServe have made the same measurements of system resources consumed by sz and Ckermit and concluded that Ckermit is far more resource intensive than sz. >I would encourage paying CompuServe users to complain to CompuServe about >the lack of a decent Kermit (and for that matter, Zmodem) file transfer >capability, and to contact us at Columbia (and the management at Omen) if >they want to put things right. They are, after all, not exactly >cash-starved. CompuServe has enhanced their B protocol with 32 bit CRC and streaming data transfer to provide excellent throughput downloading the types of files users download from CompuServe. A number of programs have competent B+ implementations, including Omen Technology's ZCOMM and Professional-YAM. The only programs I know of that have high performance Kermit implementations are Omen Technology's ZCOMM and Professional-YAM, and Columbia University's product. Since ZCOMM and Pro-YAM have good 32 bit B+ download performance, only Columbia's product would benefit if CompuServe switch to the current Kermit protocol. CompuServe may not wish to make this change, which would increase system load and break some programs written to the 1985 Kermit spec. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 22 16:36:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Jul 1995 12:36:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20987 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Jul 1995 12:36:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 22 Jul 1995 16:36:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-Id: <3ur9ej$kfp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > > Developers such as Datastorm and CompuServe tend to make use of > royalty-free code when implementing protocols. The most recent > royalty-free Kermit code released with the blessing of Columbia > University is "The Source" SuperKermit code published in the middle > 1980s. As Frank himself has commented, this version of Kermit was not > robust. Its poor performance prompted GTE Telenet to commission the > creation of ZMODEM in 1985/1986. The rest is history. > I think you and I would both like it better if these companies, when marketing our respective protocols, would work out arrangements with us to license the most up-to-date versions. I have no doubt that ZMODEM-90 is superior in all ways to to 1986 ZMODEM, just as modern Kermit software is superior to the ten-year old version of Kermit from "The Source". It is appalling that companies like Datastorm and CompuServe do not elect to support the people who did all the R&D that went into key portions of their products and services, but rather, take whatever they can get for free no matter how junky it is. Their customers suffer for it, Chuck and I get the bad rap, and, in most cases, the tech-support fingers at these companies point back at us: "ZMODEM problem? Chuck's fault, blame him. Kermit problem? Frank's fault, blame him." Yet, with almost unfailing certainty, every such problem has already been addressed and fixed over the ensuing years by the original developers, a fact which could not concern these companies in the least. "We have your money, we don't care!" > CompuServe claim they have not widely deployed ZMODEM because it > consumes too many resources. I suspect CompuServe have made the > same measurements of system resources consumed by sz and Ckermit > and concluded that Ckermit is far more resource intensive than sz. > Which is, of course, a non-issue. If CompuServe were interested in a decent ZMODEM or Kermit implementation, they would talk to Chuck or me about it ( respectively :-) and we would work with them to ensure that they had a product that would meet or exceed their requirements. In fact, what they are interested in is being able to simply put the word "ZMODEM" or "Kermit" on their literature for lip service to "de facto standards" to attract customers. They don't want to do the right thing, they want to do the least amount of work and spend the least amount of money required to get YOUR money. > CompuServe has enhanced their B protocol with 32 bit CRC and streaming > data transfer to provide excellent throughput downloading the types of > files users download from CompuServe. > Well sure they do. But having one's own proprietary protocols turns out to bite one back in the end. How many telnet clients do we know of that support B+? > ... CompuServe may not wish to make this change, which would increase > system load and break some programs written to the 1985 Kermit spec. > The spec hasn't changed. Today's Kermit software is written to the 1987 (not 1985) spec, as given in the Kermit book (with extensions, but not with changes, and the extensions are in other areas entirely, such as character sets). The Source's implementation, which was a pioneering effort and, I'll even say, a landmark in the history of our little corner of the world, had, shall we say, implementation problems. That it should have found its way into so much junky commercial and shareware software is a strong argument against ever again turning such software loose without protection. When you're "nice" in this business, everybody takes advantage. So what is the lesson here? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 22 15:33:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Jul 1995 16:23:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Jul 1995 16:23:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Message-Id: Sender: jhurwit@netcom16.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 15:33:32 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) wrote: >CompuServe claim they have not widely deployed ZMODEM because it >consumes too many resources. I suspect CompuServe have made the >same measurements of system resources consumed by sz and Ckermit >and concluded that Ckermit is far more resource intensive than sz. I'm sure that a C-Kermit built with all the options is more resource intensive, but then, that's because it does more. However, C-Kermit comes with a rich set of defines that permit it to be installed without features that'll never be used. In extreme cases, it could be compiled with all but the protocol itself left out (though I couldn't imagine leaving out the script interpreter!). Jeff From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 21 13:05:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Jul 1995 21:41:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Jul 1995 21:41:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!nwfocus1.wa.com!news1.halcyon.com!prostar.com From: lee.hauser@prostar.com (Lee Hauser) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CP/M Kermit Date: 21 Jul 95 20:05:19 PDT Organization: ProStar Internet Gateway Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-Id: <00000EA10000003C@prostar.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: smtp.prostar.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Blast from the past time... I was recently on the ftp site looking for CP/M 4.11 for Kaypro (CP/M) and wondered which file was the one I'm looking for... and does it need to be translated somehow to become a .com file? Any help for this poor retro-computist would be greatly appreciated! Lee Hauser lee.hauser@prostar.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 23 15:19:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 11:32:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02636 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 11:32:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Proposed Change in Dialing Directory Format Date: 23 Jul 1995 11:19:56 -0400 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3utpas$rs@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3uphbn$u1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uphbn$u1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: |> |> Those of you who use MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit dialing directories |> know the dialing directory is a plain text file, one line per entry. |> |> [description deleted...] |> |> The question is: Does anybody actually use the speed and parity fields? |> Or if you do, would you care a lot of they went away? |> We use the speed and parity fields. Some of our services are through a PACX to an IBM mainframe. This path requires even parity and a maximum speed of 9600. The remaining services are through telnet servers: no parity and the fastest speed the PC<->modem can reliably maintain. Would we care if the format of the distributed dialing directory changed? Not terribly. MSK's scripting abilities would let us get by. As an aside, we also use the comment field. If it contains the word Queen's I add a dialing prefix. Your recent discussion on portable dialing directories has shown me some flaws in my approach here. But the moral is that when you change the format of the dialing directory some people will have to rework things. I don't consider that a big burden. This may be completely impractical, but is there any chance the new format could be defined in the next month? If so I could react to the changes in time for September which is when most students grab their copy of Kermit for the year. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 23 03:30:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 12:01:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 12:01:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.dell.com!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Message-Id: <1995Jul23.093017.56880@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Jul 95 09:30:17 MDT References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: > In article <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: >>In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >>: In article <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com>, >>: Daniel Huber wrote: >>: >Running Kermit 190, I'd like to download software from CompuServe over >>: >their Internet access. However, the filetransfer stops with synchronization >>: >errors and others... > CompuServe has enhanced their B protocol with 32 bit CRC and streaming > data transfer to provide excellent throughput downloading the types of > files users download from CompuServe. A number of programs have competent > B+ implementations, including Omen Technology's ZCOMM and Professional-YAM. > > The only programs I know of that have high performance Kermit > implementations are Omen Technology's ZCOMM and Professional-YAM, and > Columbia University's product. Since ZCOMM and Pro-YAM have good 32 bit > B+ download performance, only Columbia's product would benefit if > CompuServe switch to the current Kermit protocol. CompuServe may not wish > to make this change, which would increase system load and break some > programs written to the 1985 Kermit spec. It seems that Compuserve hasn't even run internal suitability tests on their software. The Columbia Kermits of today interoperate with the pretty embarassing "lurching" windows rendition of C Kermit written by "The Source" in 85. The current sliding windows implementation arose when I did a fresh design for MS-DOS Kermit many years ago, and that design was carried over to C Kermit. I logged into The Source and ran against it to ensure compatibility, and compatible it was. Heck, I still have test packet logs. One might also ask how many CIS customers are still using any comms program dated 1985? As Frank explained, the external protocol specification (the Kermit protocol) remains consistent over time and internal implementation stragegies remain internal. Enhancements to the Kermit protocol are backward compatible with the oldest Kermits. All this suggests that CIS will do whatever they want, and the way to change their thinking is for CIS customers to make constructive noise. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 23 17:36:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 13:36:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 13:36:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Proposed Change in Dialing Directory Format Date: 23 Jul 1995 17:36:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3uu1ak$88h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uphbn$u1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3utpas$rs@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3utpas$rs@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>, Mike Smith wrote: : We use the speed and parity fields. Some of our services are through a : PACX to an IBM mainframe. This path requires even parity and a maximum : speed of 9600. The remaining services are through telnet servers: no : parity and the fastest speed the PC<->modem can reliably maintain. : Would we care if the format of the distributed dialing directory : changed? Not terribly. MSK's scripting abilities would let us get by. : : As an aside, we also use the comment field. If it contains the word : Queen's I add a dialing prefix. Your recent discussion on portable : dialing directories has shown me some flaws in my approach here. : The new design should handle this nicely. : But the moral is that when you change the format of the dialing : directory some people will have to rework things. I don't consider that : a big burden. : Good -- I think the result will be worth it. : This may be completely impractical, but is there any chance the new format : could be defined in the next month? If so I could react to the changes in : time for September which is when most students grab their copy of Kermit : for the year. : Yes, there is a good chance it will be defined even sooner than that. I'll post it when it's ready for public comment. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 24 00:50:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:56:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:56:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 23 Jul 1995 19:50:32 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3uuqoo$5em@Mars.mcs.com> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ur9ej$kfp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ur9ej$kfp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >I think you and I would both like it better if these companies, when >marketing our respective protocols, would work out arrangements with us to >license the most up-to-date versions. [...] >If CompuServe were interested in a >decent ZMODEM or Kermit implementation, they would talk to Chuck or me >about it ( respectively :-) and we would work with them to ensure that >they had a product that would meet or exceed their requirements. [...] >> CompuServe has enhanced their B protocol with 32 bit CRC and streaming >> data transfer to provide excellent throughput downloading the types of >> files users download from CompuServe. >> >Well sure they do. But having one's own proprietary protocols turns out >to bite one back in the end. How many telnet clients do we know of that >support B+? Am I the only one who has trouble determining what is meant by "proprietary" here? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 06:27:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 03:22:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19439 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 03:22:38 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!newsroom.utas.edu.au!ml.csiro.au!news From: beattie@ml.csiro.au (Bob Beattie) Subject: gzip'ed files renamed on transfer. Why? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fdcs Message-Id: Keywords: gzip Sender: news@ml.csiro.au Reply-To: beattie@ml.csiro.au Organization: CSIRO Marine Labs, Hobart, Tas, Australia Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 06:27:59 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using Solaris kermit 190 to transfer files that have been compressed with the gzip utility. On the destination, the '.gz' exptension is changed to 'xgz'. ie 'file.gz' becomes 'filexgz'. Why is this so? Thanks Bob Beattie From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 07:47:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 05:33:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22593 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 05:33:05 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!newsroom.utas.edu.au!ml.csiro.au!news From: beattie@ml.csiro.au (Bob Beattie) Subject: Re: gzip'ed files renamed etc - Please ignore earlier post X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fdcs Message-Id: Sender: news@ml.csiro.au Reply-To: beattie@ml.csiro.au Organization: CSIRO Marine Labs, Hobart, Tas, Australia References: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 07:47:23 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , beattie@ml.csiro.au (Bob Beattie) writes: >I have been using Solaris kermit 190 to transfer files >that have been compressed with the gzip utility. > >On the destination, the '.gz' exptension is changed to 'xgz'. >ie 'file.gz' becomes 'filexgz'. Why is this so? > I have the answer thanks. ie RTFM: If there is more than one period in the file name, the 2nd & subsequent periods are translated to x's unless 'set file names literal' My apologies for cluttering up the group. Thanks Bob Beattie From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 12:38:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:38:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:38:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CP/M Kermit Date: 24 Jul 1995 12:38:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3v0480$a4p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <00000EA10000003C@prostar.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <00000EA10000003C@prostar.com>, Lee Hauser wrote: > I was recently on the ftp site looking for CP/M 4.11 for Kaypro (CP/M) ... > You mean CP/M *Kermit* 4.11 for the Kaypro :-) > ... and wondered which file was the one I'm looking for... and does it > need to be translated somehow to become a .com file? Any help for this > poor retro-computist would be greatly appreciated! > The directions are in the manual, cpkerm.{doc,ps}. Basically, you need two hex files: cpsker.hex (the system-independent part) and cpvkpr.hex (the Kaypro "overlay"). Then you follow the directions for merging them together with MLOAD. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 20:24:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 18:39:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 18:39:20 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pcnet.com!hillae!tan From: tan@hillae.com (Tan Bronson) Subject: how do I specify a port number to kermit? Message-Id: Organization: Hill Arts & Entertainment Systems, Inc. Guildford, Connecticut Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 20:24:08 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to connect to a given port of a terminal server. I see how to specific the address (set host xxx), but how do I specify the port-number? I see hooks in ckcnet.c, but can't figure out where the value is set from the command line. thanks in advance, tan -- tan@hillae.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 15:43:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19460 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:21:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02225 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:21:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!wcbst4 From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 24 Jul 1995 15:43:32 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3v0f34$2tk@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3ur9ej$kfp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3uuqoo$5em@Mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: unixs5.cis.pitt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3uuqoo$5em@Mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: [in response to a discussion on Compuserve's proprietary B+ protocol] >Am I the only one who has trouble determining what is meant by >"proprietary" here? Proprietary = ours and ours only. Nobody else is allowed to use the protocol. In the case of B+, anyone is allowed to incorporate code for downloading with B+, but ONLY Compuserve can send files w/ B+. -willie -- -- Finger wcbst4+@pitt.edu for my PGP public key. Home - http://www.pitt.edu/~wcbst4 From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 23:58:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:58:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:58:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how do I specify a port number to kermit? Date: 24 Jul 1995 23:58:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3v1c3a$4d7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tan Bronson wrote: >I'd like to connect to a given port of a terminal server. >I see how to specific the address (set host xxx), >but how do I specify the port-number? > >I see hooks in ckcnet.c, but can't figure out where the >value is set from the command line. > There are easier ways to figure out how to issue a command than reading the source code! Here are just two: 1. Look in the manual. 2. Type "help". This would have led you to "help set host". 2. Use the "?" feature of the command parser: C-Kermit>set host ? IP host name or number C-Kermit>set host foo.bar.baz.edu ? Port number C-Kermit>set host foo.bar.baz.edu 2000 Hey, the syntax is just like Telnet :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 22:24:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 21:54:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Jul 1995 21:54:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!newsstand.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: scott048@gold.tc.umn.edu (Jim Scott) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit uploads from DOS to Unix Date: 24 Jul 1995 17:24:52 -0500 Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 18 Distribution: USA Message-Id: <3v16jk$o8f@gold.tc.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gold.tc.umn.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just got the latest version of Kermit from the ftp site and I can't get long-packet transfers to work. Needless to say, this is very aggravating for me. I've read the .bwr file, but I can't get any of the suggestions there to work. Please help! Thanks for your response, Jim -- Jim Scott "I had taught myself that a human being might as well look for diamond tiaras in the gutter as for rewards and punishments that were fair." Kurt Vonnegut, from "Mother Night." From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 25 02:28:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 00:30:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 00:30:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 24 Jul 1995 21:28:32 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3v1ksg$1gs@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3ur9ej$kfp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3uuqoo$5em@Mars.mcs.com> <3v0f34$2tk@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3v0f34$2tk@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, William C Beegle wrote: >In article <3uuqoo$5em@Mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >[in response to a discussion on Compuserve's proprietary B+ protocol] >>Am I the only one who has trouble determining what is meant by >>"proprietary" here? >Proprietary = ours and ours only. Nobody else is allowed to use the >protocol. You mean unless they arrange to license the software... Which is precisely what was being suggested for kermit. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 25 02:13:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04828 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 01:13:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 01:13:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: NLTD@grove.iup.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit compiled for linux? Date: 24 Jul 1995 21:13:52 -0500 Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania Lines: 10 Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-Id: <01HT9INZNQOM8Y6NUU@grove.iup.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cs.utexas.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anybody got a copy of a linux executable version of kermit or instructions on compiling kermit for linux? The version I have supposedly supports various types of unix, but linux doesn't seem to be one of them (which is really suprising!). Please also send me the address of the source files you used to compile so that I may get them also. Thank you. Your help is greatly appreciated. NLTD@grove.iup.edu Cliff Friedel From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 02:20:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 03:40:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26828 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 03:40:54 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: How can one make C-Kermit relinquish a port? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 02:20:09 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using C-Kermit 5A (191) under OS/2 Warp, and I would like to be able to make C-Kermit "give up" the COM port at will. For example, suppose I'm on a regular dialup connection, but then I decide I want to hang up and re-connect via SLIP. Everything is fine is the SLIP driver is already running, but it complains when I start it up with C-Kermit already running because (I presume) C-Kermit has the port. I end up having to close C-Kermit, start the SLIP driver, and then re-open C-Kermit in order to "set port slipcom1" and dial. Is there any way around this? Thanks ... Andy -- Andrew J. Korty Systems Programmer Physics Computer Network Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 23:54:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 05:41:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 05:40:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!frost!barry From: barry@frost.bain.oz.au (Barry Allebone) Subject: Re: Portable Dialing Directory Design Message-Id: <1995Jul24.235427.2295@frost.bain.oz.au> Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Organization: Bain & Company X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3tp5ma$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 23:54:27 GMT Lines: 45 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3262 comp.dcom.modems:103961 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > [Note: I posted this before, but it did not seem to "take". Apologies > in advance if it appears twice.] > Hi everybody. I'm posting this message to some lists I don't usually > inhabit, as well as to some familiar ones, so let me begin by explaining > that I'm the principle author of C-Kermit communications software; I am > working on improving its modem and dialing support and need some guidance > and opinions from people who know more about telephony than I do. Q What is the directory for ? A To assist memory and fingers Given that there is no simple answer to your questions (is it a given ?) then I have a suggestion - provide a modifier to DIAL which can take a variety of values e.g. DIAL E - make the international number available for editing before dialing DIAL L - dial the local form of the number (possible default ?) DIAL S - dial the STD form of the number DIAL I - dial the ISD form of the number Then if synonyms were allowed in the dialing directory together with the corresponding modifiers all the user has to do is know where he is. In fact thinking about it, apart from the editing thing, nothing is actually required. Users can just adopt the above convention or similar and prefix their telephone number mnemonics with a one letter code, making multiple entries in the dialing directory. Maybe its just me but software seems to be coming extraordinarily complex without adding much value. Maybe this is one such case. Look at the rules based system discussed in another followup. Just my two cents worth and thanks for a great product Barry Allebone From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 12:48:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 08:48:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18597 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 08:48:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit compiled for linux? Date: 25 Jul 1995 12:48:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-Id: <3v2p79$i4u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01HT9INZNQOM8Y6NUU@grove.iup.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01HT9INZNQOM8Y6NUU@grove.iup.edu>, wrote: >Has anybody got a copy of a linux executable version of kermit or >instructions on compiling kermit for linux? The version I have supposedly >supports various types of unix, but linux doesn't seem to be one of them >(which is really suprising!). Please also send me the address of the >source files you used to compile so that I may get them also. Thank you. >Your help is greatly appreciated. > Where did you get the version that you have? Here is our standard blurb about the real way to get C-Kermit for UNIX (*including* Linux): anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make linux make solaris2x make hpux90 which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Email: kermit@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order direct from the publisher: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 14:30:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01889 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 10:30:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26233 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 10:30:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can one make C-Kermit relinquish a port? Date: 25 Jul 1995 14:30:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3v2v5p$pjd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andrew J. Korty wrote: >I'm using C-Kermit 5A (191) under OS/2 Warp, and I would like to be >able to make C-Kermit "give up" the COM port at will. For example, >suppose I'm on a regular dialup connection, but then I decide I want >to hang up and re-connect via SLIP. Everything is fine is the SLIP >driver is already running, but it complains when I start it up with >C-Kermit already running because (I presume) C-Kermit has the port. > >I end up having to close C-Kermit, start the SLIP driver, and then >re-open C-Kermit in order to "set port slipcom1" and dial. Is there >any way around this? No. YOu can't change the owner of a port in mid stream. When SLIP is running C-Kermit performs an extensive negotiation with the SLIP driver in order to share the port. There is no means for SLIP to start a negotiation with C-Kermit. Therefore, the port cannot be shared. If you think you might want to start a SLIP connection at some point, then always start the SLIP driver before you call. Then use the SLIP version of the port number. If you don't use SLIP, it doesn't hurt anything. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 07:26:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08560 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:08:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:08:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!pacifier!rayp From: rayp@pacifier.com (Ray Pendergast) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Bin Hex: what is it? Date: 25 Jul 1995 07:26:44 GMT Organization: Pacifier, a public access Internet site. (360-693-0325) Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3v26bk$kpv@news.pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I received a program through email that I downloaded to my PC using Eudora. It was broken into 12 parts and requires Bin Hex decoding or something. What is that and how do I do it? I checked out all of the pull-down menus and couldn't find anything to help me. I usually don't use Eudora, I prefer Pine. This is one of the reasons... -- ---- Ray Pendergast rayp@pacifier.com http://www.pacifier.com/~rayp From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 16:53:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:37:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10216 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:37:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!penage.cs.laurentian.ca!nickel.laurentian.ca!claude From: claude@nickel.laurentian.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and 132 columns. Date: 25 Jul 95 11:53:50 -0500 Organization: Laurentian University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: nickel.laurentian.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have many users who log into our main system using Kermit and all seems to work ok but for a few who need to have the full 132 column on their screen. We have tried several diffecrent options and the most we can get is 128. Does anyone have a solution for this ? Thanks in advance for the info. Claude. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 20:51:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:51:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13519 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:51:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 columns. Date: 25 Jul 1995 20:51:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3v3lgv$d6b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca>, wrote: > > We have many users who log into our main system using Kermit and all seems >to work ok but for a few who need to have the full 132 column on their screen. > > We have tried several diffecrent options and the most we can get is 128. Does >anyone have a solution for this ? > Which version of Kermit are you using? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 24 08:20:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28092 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:00:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:00:54 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!worm.inch.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:20:41 GMT Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: >In article , caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) wrote: > >>CompuServe claim they have not widely deployed ZMODEM because it >>consumes too many resources. I suspect CompuServe have made the >>same measurements of system resources consumed by sz and Ckermit >>and concluded that Ckermit is far more resource intensive than sz. > > I'm sure that a C-Kermit built with all the options is more > resource intensive, but then, that's because it does more. > However, C-Kermit comes with a rich set of defines that permit it > to be installed without features that'll never be used. In extreme > cases, it could be compiled with all but the protocol itself left > out (though I couldn't imagine leaving out the script interpreter!). The complexity of the Kermit protocol with its window management and other features exacts a penalty in CPU resources. Let's compare sz (a link to Unix Professional-YAM) and CKermit 5a 190: (38kb direct connect) ls -l *gif -rw-r--r-- 1 caf omen 352650 Feb 8 1992 b17mh.gif time kermit -s b17mh.gif real 1m38.97s user 0m1.74s sys 0m0.44s Kermit time sz -y b17mh.gif real 1m36.58s user 0m0.17s sys 0m0.18s ZMODEM time sz -ym b17mh.gif real 1m35.01s user 0m0.09s sys 0m0.13s ZMODEM-90(Tm) The Unix CPU utilization is much higher with CKermit than with Professional-YAM. This can be critical on a multisuer system. The files were received by a 32 bit beta test version of Professional-YAM for WIN32 running on a P75 and Windows 95 build 950-r6 ("gold"). -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 12:43:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:40:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:40:08 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.archived.msdos.d Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Bin Hex: what is it? Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.archives.msdos.d Sender: jhurwit@netcom6.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <3v26bk$kpv@news.pacifier.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:43:57 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [Followups to comp.archives.msdos.d] In article <3v26bk$kpv@news.pacifier.com>, rayp@pacifier.com (Ray Pendergast) wrote: >I received a program through email that I downloaded to my PC using >Eudora. It was broken into 12 parts and requires Bin Hex decoding or >something. What is that and how do I do it? I checked out all of the >pull-down menus and couldn't find anything to help me. I usually don't >use Eudora, I prefer Pine. This is one of the reasons... Your mailer has nothing to do with this (and neither does this group, which makes me wonder why you're asking here, unless you used Kermit for the download). Bin Hex is a binary to ascii encoding scheme for Macintosh, which is similar in principle to uuencoding. (If you're not familiar with any of that, the idea is to encode a binary file as printable ascii characters for e-mailing.) You might try ftp://oak.oakland.edu/simtel/msdos/mac/binhex13.zip, which should work if it's binhexed. I don't know what to suggest if it's "or something." Next week: "I have this *.SIT file..." :) Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 13:05:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:40:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:40:16 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!torn!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Message-Id: Sender: jhurwit@netcom6.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3ulp8c$ep5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 13:05:40 GMT Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) wrote: >The complexity of the Kermit protocol with its window management and >other features exacts a penalty in CPU resources. To be perfectly honest, I'm not familiar with zmodem. However, there was quite a bit of discussion in one of our ISP-local news groups about disconnects at 10 minutes during transfers using sz. It was reasoned that 10 minutes indicated the idle daemon kicking in and logging out sessions, and the solution was found to be to use an sz option to enable windows. Why does sz offer this feature, if it's known to be detrimental in some way? > Let's compare sz >(a link to Unix Professional-YAM) and CKermit 5a 190: > >(38kb direct connect) > >ls -l *gif >-rw-r--r-- 1 caf omen 352650 Feb 8 1992 b17mh.gif Um, perhaps Frank may comment on the validity of the rest of your test, but >time kermit -s b17mh.gif tells Kermit to do newline and charset translations, which might account for some CPU power. At the least, you'd have a corrupted gif file on the other end. I think the command you wanted was 'kermit -s b17mh.gif -i'. Also, did you have control character unprefixing set up for C-Kermit? Excessive prefixing may also account for some CPU time. >The files were received by a 32 bit beta test version of Professional-YAM Does this software not tell the user whether the file transfer is taking place in BINARY or TEXT mode? (If it does Kermit transfers, does it not process file attributes packets?) MS-Kermit puts the transfer mode right up there on the screen, so if the transfer is accidently started in the wrong mode, the user may observe that and restart. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 22:47:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03338 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:48:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18890 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:48:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 columns. Date: 25 Jul 1995 22:47:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3v3s9t$ia3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca>, wrote: > We have many users who log into our main system using Kermit and all > seems to work ok but for a few who need to have the full 132 column on > their screen. > > We have tried several diffecrent options and the most we can get is > 128. Does anyone have a solution for this ? > From the KERMIT.UPD file: (16) WIDE SCREENS AND HORIZONTAL SCROLLING Kermit changes between 80 and 132 column mode at host request (CSI ? 3 h / l) or when you give an explicit SET TERMINAL WIDTH { 80, 132 } command. Until version 3.13, 132-column screens were possible only on PCs with video adapters that have a 132-column text mode. Now MS-DOS Kermit also includes support for DEC VT 132-column mode and Data General compressed text on EGA and VGA video adapters that do not have a 132-column text mode, by entering graphics mode and writing the characters dot by dot. 128 columns are displayed rather than 132 due to the PC's screen geometry but you can use MS-DOS Kermit's horizontal scrolling feature to see the rightmost 4 columns. See the file itself, on your Kermit diskette, for additional details. - Frank