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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <kwOFww8Z7GDV084yn@netcom.com>,
Jeffrey Hurwit <jhurwit@netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <DC7oIH.6IA@omen.com>, caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) wrote:
>>The complexity of the Kermit protocol with its window management and
>>other features exacts a penalty in CPU resources.  
>    To be perfectly honest, I'm not familiar with zmodem.  However,
>    there was quite a bit of discussion in one of our ISP-local news
>    groups about disconnects at 10 minutes during transfers using sz. 
>    It was reasoned that 10 minutes indicated the idle daemon kicking
>    in and logging out sessions, and the solution was found to be to
>    use an sz option to enable windows.  Why does sz offer this
>    feature, if it's known to be detrimental in some way?
>
Different philosophies regarding windowing and, for that matter, basic
tuning defaults.  Sometimes you need windows (small "w" :-).  In the case
you cite, it's because you need *some* reverse-channel activity to tickle
your idle daemon.

I think everybody understands by now, and Chuck will agree it is a fair
statement, that ZMODEM is tuned, by default, for maximum speed, whereas
C-Kermit is tuned, by default, for safety (robustness).  Kermit, however,
does not totally give up its robustness features when you tune it for
speed, so it is not exactly accurate to say (not that anyone has, but I
know you're all thinking it :-) that Kermit, thus tuned, is the same
ZMODEM, any more than it is to say that ZMODEM, forced to use a window
size and escape all control characters, is the same as Kermit.

One of the big differences is in the windowing strategy.  ZMODEM's is
"go-back-to-n", Kermit's is "selective repeat".  Go-back-to-n means, "if
there is an error, go back to the spot where the error was detected and
start over again from there".  Selective repeat means, "if there is an
error, retransmit only the piece that had the error".

Go-back-to-n is more efficient as long as there are no errors, because, as
Chuck implies, there is less bookkeeping involved.  However, go-back-to-n
is less efficient if it must recover from errors, especially when there is
a long round-trip delay, because a lot more stuff is already in the pipe
by the time the error is detected, and all of it must be sent again.

However, both protocols work.  I would say it is simply a matter of
preference on the part of a well-informed user.  Do you care more about
getting the best speed on good connections, or getting good speed on ALL
connections?  (This is not to say that ZMODEM is necessarily faster than
Kermit on good connections, but I think it can be demonstrated that
ZMODEM's speed goes down much faster as the connection deteriorates than
Kermit's does, and moreso if the connection has long round-trip delays.)

>>time kermit -s b17mh.gif
>    tells Kermit to do newline and charset translations, which might
>    account for some CPU power.  At the least, you'd have a corrupted
>    gif file on the other end.
>
Actually, I think Chuck is pretty competent Kermit user :-)  I'm sure he
has binary mode and the various other performance options set in his
initialization file.

If you look at the elapsed times, they are not that different; I would
classify them as neglible and not worth quibbling over.  Kermit's CPU
times are indeed higher, but who knows what Chuck's init file is doing.
Maybe it's calculating Pi to a million digits (you can do that with
Kermit's command language :-)  (JUST KIDDING!)

Chuck has made the point that Kermit has all this startup overhead that
Professional-YAM(tm) doesn't have.  What can I say, he's right.  It's
setting up dialing and services directories, defining all kinds of
macros, and so on.  These are convenience features that a lot of people
need and depend on.  It's nice to have them there.  The "power user",
of course, can bypass all that and go for the speed.

Even then, I don't doubt that Chuck's code eats less CPU, even after we
enter packet mode.  That's because it doesn't do as much.  Even when
Kermit is not translating character sets, prefixing control characters,
handling 8-bit characters on 7-bit links via single or locking shifts,
etc, it still has to make those tests, and it still manages its window.

Yes, I could put in some time on micro-optimizing the code to avoid these
tests (generally at the penalty of increased code size), but the only case
I heard of where the CPU utilization posed a problem was on a 10+-year-old
MicroVAX that had a single-character-interrupt serial port and a very
small memory, and in that case optimizing Kermit's "inner loop" would not
have helped a bit.

Anyway, if we were all so concerned about conserving scarce CPU cycles, we
would not all be rushing install the latest graphical operating system on
our PCs :-)   Hmmm... wait, now I think I'm beginning to see Chuck's subtle
point...

- Frank

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From: wa1hoz@a3bbak.nai.net (Gerry Belanger)
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Ray Pendergast (rayp@pacifier.com) wrote:
: I received a program through email that I downloaded to my PC using 
: Eudora.  It was broken into 12 parts and requires Bin Hex decoding or 
: something.  What is that and how do I do it?  I checked out all of the 
: pull-down menus and couldn't find anything to help me.  I usually don't 
: use Eudora, I prefer Pine.  This is one of the reasons...
The home of BINHEX is boombox.micro.umn.edu.
Gopher access is preferred, but ftp works.
Version 4.0 is for Macs,
Version 1.3 is for DOS.

--
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Newtown, CT                                 g.belanger@ieee.org


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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Subject: Re: Kermit uploads from DOS to Unix
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In article <3v16jk$o8f@gold.tc.umn.edu> you wrote:

: I just got the latest version of Kermit from the ftp site and I can't get 
: long-packet transfers to work.  Needless to say, this is very 
: aggravating for me.  I've read the .bwr file, but I can't get any of the 
: suggestions there to work.  Please help!

To go from DOS <-> UNIX, you very likely need a customized file,
mscustom.ini, copied to your UNIX directory as .kermrc

With some care, the same file can be used on both systems.
The UNIX version also has to be 188 or higher.
Lacking a .kermrc on the UNIX side, you will be stuck with non-optimal, but
reliable, settings.

A copy of mine follows by email...

-- 
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                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: shoppa@almach.krl.caltech.edu (Timothy D. Shoppa)
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Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 columns.
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In article <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca>, claude@nickel.laurentian.ca writes...
> 
>   We have many users who log into our main system using Kermit and all seems
>to work ok but for a few who need to have the full 132 column on their screen.
> 
>   We have tried several diffecrent options and the most we can get is 128. Does
>anyone have a solution for this ?
> 
>   Thanks in advance for the info.
> 
>   Claude.
> 

I'm a bit confused by your post.  Did you perhaps leave out the vital
phrase "MS-DOS"?  If so, the code which does the switching to 132 columns
is dependent on the video hardware.  The hardware (graphics adapter
*and* monitor) need to support 132 column modes, first of all.  Then
you need to put your "custom" hook
to switch to 132 columns in the file COLS132.BAT.  At one time, most
video cards came with documentation and a floppy disk containing a utility
that would let you change modes.  Unfortunately, in the currently
enlightened age of generic hardware that often doesn't come with a manual or
any documentation (much less a brand name!), you may just be left out 
in the cold.  If this was the case, go back to the people who sold you
the card and if you're lucky they might know how to switch video modes.

Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu)

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In article <3v1c3a$4d7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <DC8M08.K32@hillae.com>, Tan Bronson <tan@hillae.com> wrote:
>>I'd like to connect to a given port of a terminal server.
>>I see how to specific the address (set host xxx),
>>but how do I specify the port-number?
>>
> [...]
> 2. Type "help".  This would have led you to "help set host".
	I tried, but you'll see that the port_number is not mentioned:
		C-Kermit>help set host

		Syntax:  SET HOST hostname-or-number

		Select a network host.  Use this command instead of SET LINE.
		After SET HOST give the host name or number.  TCP/IP Examples:

		SET HOST watsun.cc.columbia.edu
		SET HOST 128.59.39.2

> 3. Use the "?" feature of the command parser:
>
>    C-Kermit>set host ? IP host name or number
>    C-Kermit>set host foo.bar.baz.edu ? Port number
>    C-Kermit>set host foo.bar.baz.edu 2000
>
>Hey, the syntax is just like Telnet :-)
	Thanks for the response!

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit uploads from DOS to Unix
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In article <3v3c9v$ga3@hustle.rahul.net>,
Clarence Dold  <dold@rahul.net> wrote:
>In article <3v16jk$o8f@gold.tc.umn.edu> you wrote:
>
>: I just got the latest version of Kermit from the ftp site and I can't get 
>: long-packet transfers to work.  Needless to say, this is very 
>: aggravating for me.  I've read the .bwr file, but I can't get any of the 
>: suggestions there to work.  Please help!
>
>To go from DOS <-> UNIX, you very likely need a customized file,
>mscustom.ini, copied to your UNIX directory as .kermrc
>
>With some care, the same file can be used on both systems.
>The UNIX version also has to be 188 or higher.
>Lacking a .kermrc on the UNIX side, you will be stuck with non-optimal, but
>reliable, settings.
>
Thanks, Clarence.  But I don't want people to be left with the mistaken
impression that the only way to configure Kermit is with a mysterious
external file (like WIN.INI, etc, for Windows).

Kermit initialization files contain ordinary Kermit commands that can be
typed by anybody at any time.  The ones that we distribute contain
reasonable values, i.e. values that should work for everybody "out of the
box".

Here are a couple rules of thumb we have developed over the years:

 1. You should not change your MSKERMIT.INI or CKERMIT.INI or .kermrc
    file from the standard, distributed one unless you REALLY know what
    you are doing.  Otherwise it's impossible to answer your questions,
    address your problems, etc.

 2. Make all your desired customizations in the MSCUSTOM.INI or CKERMOD.INI
    or .mykermrc file.

Customizations relating to protocol parameters (packet lengths, window
sizes, and particularly control-character unprefixing) should not be made
without some understanding of what you are doing.  If these speedups were
safe for everybody, believe me, we'd make them standard defaults and avoid
the "Kermit is too slow" discussions.  Nothing would be easier than for us
to make:

  SET WINDOW 30
  SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 5000
  SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL

the defaults for everybody.  Unfortunately, many of our computers and
connections are not up to handling protocol defaults beyond the ones that
we already have, and transfers would fail for lots of people.

But don't worry, you don't have to stay up all night cramming in order to
make Kermit go fast.  Try this instead: at the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or
C-Kermit 5A(190) prompt, simply type:

  FAST

Do this on both ends, assuming you have one of these programs on each end
(these are the current versions).

Now try to transfer a file.  If it works, and it works without lots of
errors (retransmissions), then you're done.  Otherwise, you'll have to do
a little studying -- but in that case, would also have had to do a little
studying with any other protocol too, because it probably would not have
worked on this connection either.

- Frank

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From: fnyman@nova.umuc.edu (Fredrik Nyman)
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When running MS-Kermit (3.14 pl 0) in vt300 mode, displaying the text
in the subject line below *will* cause the emulator to lock up.  

In vt100 mode, it's fine.

Does anyone have an explanation?

Thanks,

Fredrik

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From: gdead@Glue.umd.edu (Alan Neustadtl)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Help with input statement in a script file
Date: 27 Jul 1995 09:39:55 -0400
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        *** Somewhat long post because session log is included ***

        Okay kermit gurus.....I am using ckermit for os/2 and attempting
to automate a login to our university annex server.  I am trying to
use the input statement to "look" for the typical Username:, Password:
strings.

        Here is the problem.  Our annex server blasts out so much of
a message, I think, that the input buffer becomes overloaded.  I have
done a few things:  1) logged in with debug to look for hidden characters,
2) checked \v(input), \v(inchar), and \(incount).

        The input statement I use is:

                         input 30 Username:

        Here is what my server is blasting out after the modem
connects (prefaced with > for clarity):

>Annex Command Line Interpreter   *   Copyright 1991 Xylogics, Inc.
>
>Checking authorization, Please wait...
>Attached to annex8/29
>
>A WAM username and password are required for access to this modem pool.
>Use xxx-xxxx for non authenticated access.  Contact the CSC Consulting Lab
>in the CSS Bldg, room 3326 or call 405-1500 for more information.
>
>WAM/Annex Username:

        And, here are the contents of various memory variables:

>[D:\DESKTOP1] C-Kermit>echo \v(input)
>326 or call 405-1500 for more information.
>
>WAM/Annex Username:ed to annex8/19
>
>A WAM username and password are required for access to this modem pool.
>Use 403-4333 for non authenticated access.  Contact the CSC Consulting Lab
>in the CSS Bldg, room 3
>[D:\DESKTOP1] C-Kermit>echo \v(inchar)
>
>[D:\DESKTOP1] C-Kermit>echo \v(incount)
>1
>[D:\DESKTOP1] C-Kermit>

        The \v(inchar) appears to be a null or blank.

        Any suggestions about how to further debug this problem or
any solutions to try?

Best,
Alan

Alan Neustadtl
Department of Sociology
University of Maryland
College Park, MD  20742

ALAN@BSS1.UMD.EDU

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One of the possibilities is that kermit is set to 7 bit chars.
Try make kermit transparent to 8 bit chars with set file type binary,
set char-set transparent and similar commands.


berg m. van den (mvdberg@nlr.nl) wrote:
> Hello I'm using ckermit5A(190) on a unix system. This system also
> has rz  for zmodem protocol. According to file ckurzsz.ini it is 
> possible to use that program. So I "take" this ini file before 
> connecting to the BBS. On the BBS I give the command to download
> a file with the ZMODEM protocol (this BBS doesn't support kermit).
> After starting the transfer I return to the local kermit and enter
> the rz command. This is what happens:

> C-Kermit>rz
> rz ready. To begin transfer, type "sz file ..." to your modem program
> Incoming: flora.zip 88599 5377444470 100400
> Receiving flora.zip BIN w
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Data subpacket too long
> Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded
> Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded
> Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Data subpacket too long
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Data subpacket too long
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Data subpacket too long
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Data subpacket too long
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Data subpacket too long
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Data subpacket too long
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Data subpacket too long
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Data subpacket too long
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Data subpacket too long
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Data subpacket too long
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Data subpacket too long
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Data subpacket too long
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Bad CRC
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Data subpacket too long
> Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Data subpacket too long
>       0 ZMODEM CRC-32    Retry 0: Data subpacket too long
> C-Kermit>

> You see nothing is to be transferred. What is wrong ?
> What kind of configuration should I use?
> BTW. I connect to this BBS via telnet to an outcall modem 
> connected at a cisco 500-cs.

> Greetings,
> 	Meindert van den Berg.

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From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle)
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Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 columns.
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In article <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca>,
 <claude@nickel.laurentian.ca> wrote:
>We have many users who log into our main system using Kermit and all seems
>to work ok but for a few who need to have the full 132 column on their screen.

>We have tried several diffecrent options and the most we can get is 128. 
>Does anyone have a solution for this ?

Well, assuming you've modified the cols80.bat and cols132.bat files 
according to the instructions (this requires device-dependent programs.  
probably not something you want to impliment unless your users have 
identical video cards), the command:

set terminal compressed-text text

will force kermit to use the batch files to switch text mode to 132 
columns.  If this is not used, Kermit assumes that you want the graphics 
monitor to emulate 132 column text.  The emulation only allows for 128 
columns, though, so you'll lose the last 4 cols.

-willie

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okay, i dont know a whole lot about kermit at all. At my school, they run
vax/vms and it has ckermit.  I wrote a .ini file to run while entering
ckermit to make it supposedly run better, but its still really slow.  
ive got set file type image
set packet length 80 i think
something about recieve packet lenght and the set bytesize 8

what sort of configuration would give me the most efficent downloading?
any help would be great. thanks. if you oculd email me that  would be great!
chris

--
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========================>>>   ThE GaMbLeR!! <<============================


Sorry to rain on the parade, but I'm getting a little sick of your 
self-absorbed postings.  Is there a problem here?  I know all about sz 
(and ZMODEM), etc., but what I need is a reliable telnet (or telecom) 
access to a file server, with an easy way to get the file server data 
back to my machine.  Kermit 3.14 does that for me and more!  Why are you 
so engrossed with nano-second differences between Kermit and ZMODEM; 
don't you see that they're both useful additions to the General 
Let's-Get-It of Life?

Oh, well, feel free to flame me, but I'm just not that interested in 
ways to keep yourself alive via the i-net.

Come on, let's see how we can *co-operate*, shall we?

Best,

Jay

Jay Daly                           jay@bih.harvard.edu
QuickDOC
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <DCD1An.A6F@freenet.carleton.ca>,
Chris Benjamin <bb324@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
: 
: okay, i dont know a whole lot about kermit at all. At my school, they run
: vax/vms and it has ckermit.  I wrote a .ini file to run while entering
: ckermit to make it supposedly run better, but its still really slow.  
: ive got set file type image
: set packet length 80 i think
: something about recieve packet lenght and the set bytesize 8
: 
: what sort of configuration would give me the most efficent downloading?
: any help would be great. thanks. if you oculd email me that  would be great!
: chris
: 
Since this is such a frequently asked question, it is featured prominently
in our FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

- Frank

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From: Mike Kreykenbohm <krey@columbia.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit between Linux and wood working equipment
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I am working at establishing a server on Linux that is capable to handle
a Multi bore Wood Panel Drilling equipment as a Kermit client. The equipment
interfaces to MS-DOS Kermit without problems, but I am unable to get it
to read or write files to the Kermit Server on Linux correctly.

2 problems:
1) the drilling machine executes the command /bin/ls .\*.ATR when it
   is in unix mode (Yes the slash is backwards) and linux can not find any
   appropriate files. The machine works fine in Dos mode with a Dos server.

2) Files sent by the drill to the Linux server have the correct name, but
   the file contains many character zeros, some correct data.

The manuacturer of the drill equipment says I should be using a DOS 
compatible version of kermit version 3.1 . 

Does anyone know the settings that would make the server work the same
as a DOS server.


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From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup??
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In article <kwOFww8Z7GDV084yn@netcom.com>,
Jeffrey Hurwit <jhurwit@netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <DC7oIH.6IA@omen.com>, caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) wrote:
>
>>The complexity of the Kermit protocol with its window management and
>>other features exacts a penalty in CPU resources.  
>
>    To be perfectly honest, I'm not familiar with zmodem.  However,
>    there was quite a bit of discussion in one of our ISP-local news
>    groups about disconnects at 10 minutes during transfers using sz. 
>    It was reasoned that 10 minutes indicated the idle daemon kicking
>    in and logging out sessions, and the solution was found to be to
>    use an sz option to enable windows.  Why does sz offer this
>    feature, if it's known to be detrimental in some way?

This question isn't relevant to the question of CPU loading.
Controlling the ZMODEM window with the sz -w option is exactly
that!  An option.  It can be used to enforce a high level flow
control when lower levels of flow control are not set properly.
It cal also be used to generate activity on the reverse channel
to prevent idleout programs from fragging the transfer.  It is
not the default because it can reduce throughput in some
situations.

>
>>                                                   Let's compare sz
>>(a link to Unix Professional-YAM) and CKermit 5a 190:
>>
>>(38kb direct connect)
>>
>>ls -l *gif
>>-rw-r--r--   1 caf      omen      352650 Feb  8  1992 b17mh.gif
>
>    Um, perhaps Frank may comment on the validity of the rest of your
>    test, but
>
>>time kermit -s b17mh.gif
>
>    tells Kermit to do newline and charset translations, which might
>    account for some CPU power.  At the least, you'd have a corrupted
>    gif file on the other end.
>
>    I think the command you wanted was 'kermit -s b17mh.gif -i'.
>
>    Also, did you have control character unprefixing set up for
>    C-Kermit?  Excessive prefixing may also account for some CPU time.

I used the same very aggressively optimized .kermrc file I used
for the Protocol Shootout.  It is more aggressive (when sending
to ZCOMM or Professional-YAM) than MSKermit allows.  It also
disables Kermit's default file corruption transfer mode.

>
>>The files were received by a 32 bit beta test version of Professional-YAM
>
>    Does this software not tell the user whether the file transfer is
>    taking place in BINARY or TEXT mode?  (If it does Kermit transfers,
>    does it not process file attributes packets?)  MS-Kermit puts the
>    transfer mode right up there on the screen, so if the transfer is
>    accidently started in the wrong mode, the user may observe that and
>    restart.

The default for Professional-YAM and ZCOMM is to transfer files without
translation.  Professional-YAM and ZCOMM Kermit transfers feature
automatic Kermit downloads.  In fact these programs are so quick they
often beat MSKermit on downloads from Unix CKermit.

Despite Frank and Joe's expressed enthusiasm for quality Kermit
implmentations, I rather doubt that ZCOMM and Professional-YAM will appear
in any Columbia University list of efficient Kermit programs.

-- 
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Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit between Linux and wood working equipment
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In article <3v676i$5jp@mmddvan.mdd.comm.mot.com>,
Mike Kreykenbohm  <krey> wrote:
: I am working at establishing a server on Linux that is capable to handle
: a Multi bore Wood Panel Drilling equipment as a Kermit client. The equipment
: interfaces to MS-DOS Kermit without problems, but I am unable to get it
: to read or write files to the Kermit Server on Linux correctly.
: 
: 2 problems:
: 1) the drilling machine executes the command /bin/ls .\*.ATR when it
:    is in unix mode (Yes the slash is backwards) and linux can not find any
:    appropriate files. The machine works fine in Dos mode with a Dos server.
: 
Backslash (\) is a special character to C-Kermit.  Try:

  /bin/ls .\\*.ATR

or

  /bin/ls .\{92}*.ATR

: 2) Files sent by the drill to the Linux server have the correct name, but
:    the file contains many character zeros, some correct data.
: 
Either your Multi bore Wood Panel Drilling Kermit client is faulty, or
the original file does not contain what you think it contains, or you are
transferring the file in binary mode instead of text more or vice versa.

: The manuacturer of the drill equipment says I should be using a DOS 
: compatible version of kermit version 3.1 . 
: 
: Does anyone know the settings that would make the server work the same
: as a DOS server.
: 
You will have to provide more details: settings, packet logs, etc.
Send them to kermit@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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In article <DCCKKL.K63@omen.com>, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX <caf@omen.com> wrote:
>I used the same very aggressively optimized .kermrc file I used
>for the Protocol Shootout.  It is more aggressive (when sending
>to ZCOMM or Professional-YAM) than MSKermit allows.
>
Just as I said in my response to the same posting.

>It also disables Kermit's default file corruption transfer mode.
>
My goodness, what a terrible thing to say.  Everybody knows that, because
of differences in text-file format among different computers, that when
transferring files between unlike systems (or, more precisely, systems
that have different text-file formats), one must choose between text and
binary mode.  In other words, binary mode (= "No Presentation Layer")
works for all files only when:

 (a) The two systems have the same text-file format (e.g. stream LF,
     stream CRLF, stream CR), and then (usually) only when the files
     are stream, rather than record oriented, and:

 (b) Character-set conversion is not required.

Therefore, when conditions (a) and (b) are not met, one must pick text or
binary mode for each file transfer in order to avoid corruption.  And that
implies that, for convenience, one must also have a default mode to be
used in the absence of a specific directive from the user.  The rub, of
course, is that any given default will not fit every file transfer.

For X/Y/ZMODEM, the default is binary, which can corrupt text files.  For
Kermit and FTP the default is text, which can corrupt binary files.  It is
a sad fact that ordinary users must know about matters such as these, but
it is nevertheless a fact.

Kermit's default dates back to the old days when most file transfers did, 
indeed, involve moving text between unlike systems.  This is not the kind
of default that one changes lightly, as we can see from FTP, which has
been using the same default for over 20 years.

However, any Kermit user can change Kermit's default mode by putting the
command, SET FILE TYPE BINARY, in their Kermit initialization file.

Nevertheless, perhaps it is now appropriate for me to put the question:

  WHEREAS the computing landscape has changed dramatically in the past
  15 years, from a rich and diverse mixture of systems to the almost
  uniform dominance of PCs with DOS and Windows to the exlusion of all
  else, and...

  WHEREAS nobody, not even the most inexperienced user, transfers any type
  of file except ZIP and GIF and JPEG any more, and...

  WHEREAS it is still, to this day, impossible in most cases for software
  to determine by examining a file's characteristics whether it is a text
  or binary file (a notable exception being VMS), and therefore to switch
  into the appropriate mode automatically, ...

  WHEREAS, as Chuck correctly points out, it is possible (though often
  difficult) to correct the format of a text file transferred in binary
  mode but it is impossible to fix a binary file transferred in text
  mode, therefore:

  BE IT RESOLVED THAT future release of Kermit software will use binary
  file-transfer mode by default.

Is this the consensus of opinion among Kermit users?  If so, we'll make
this change.  It's not hard -- all we have to do is change a "0" to a "1"
and recompile :-)

My thanks to Chuck for bringing this issue to the fore at this very
appropriate time.

>The default for Professional-YAM and ZCOMM is to transfer files without
>translation.  Professional-YAM and ZCOMM Kermit transfers feature
>automatic Kermit downloads.  In fact these programs are so quick they
>often beat MSKermit on downloads from Unix CKermit.
>
>Despite Frank and Joe's expressed enthusiasm for quality Kermit
>implmentations, I rather doubt that ZCOMM and Professional-YAM will
>appear in any Columbia University list of efficient Kermit programs.
>
I'm perfectly willing to believe that you have produced excellent Kermit
implementations, Chuck.  You are one of the few remaining members of a
dying breed that is dedicated to producing high-quality work rather than
glossy, slick, superficial trash.  You can quote me on that :-)

- Frank

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In article <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>However, any Kermit user can change Kermit's default mode by putting the
>command, SET FILE TYPE BINARY, in their Kermit initialization file.

I think that covers it.

>Nevertheless, perhaps it is now appropriate for me to put the question:
>
>  WHEREAS the computing landscape has changed dramatically in the past
>  15 years, from a rich and diverse mixture of systems to the almost
>  uniform dominance of PCs with DOS and Windows to the exlusion of all
>  else, and...

Well, not quite.

>  WHEREAS nobody, not even the most inexperienced user, transfers any type
>  of file except ZIP and GIF and JPEG any more, and...

Oh, I get it.  This was intended as tongue-in-cheek?

>  BE IT RESOLVED THAT future release of Kermit software will use binary
>  file-transfer mode by default.

I think you can predict my vote on such a resolution.  Defaults need to
be stable.  The diverse mix of computers is still out there.  Let's not
get carried away.
					John Chandler
					author of Kermit-370
					user of a diverse mix of computers

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I am running FreeBSD 2.0 with C-Kermit.  I am having trouble with
running the zmodem and am trying to use the define command to use it
like

defile sz /usr/local/bin/sz %1 < /dev/cua00 > /dev/cua00

but it will not run.
--
Brendan John Francis Scallon    When it comes to the net, I'm
scallon@students.uiuc.edu    similar to the thrilla in Manila
Race: Other__Celtic__   http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~scallon

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <DCBqtq.G7q@omen.com>, caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
> In article <1995Jul23.093017.56880@cc.usu.edu>,
> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>> ...
>>	As Frank explained, the external protocol specification (the Kermit 
>>protocol) remains consistent over time and internal implementation stragegies
>>remain internal. Enhancements to the Kermit protocol are backward compatible 
>>with the oldest Kermits.
> 
> Apparently there are things about Kermit Frank does not
> understand besides how to do valid benchmarks.

	Chuck: it's about time you stopped slamming people in public.
It's disgusting, wastes bandwidth. Your posts continue to be destructive. 
	Stop and reread my paragraph above more carefully.
	What you did, according to your paragraph below, was swipe 
code from C Kermit having that ancient Source stuff. You could have 
done what I did, implement the protocol fresh and cleanly. The spec is
the same.
        If you still have trouble implementing the Kermit protocol then
we are happy to clarify details, but we don't write the code for
other vendors.
	Joe D.

> Except for some very early versions, the Kermit support in Omen
> Technology's Professional-YAM and ZCOMM comms programs has been
> based on the "The Source" code, the last Columbia Kermit source
> code made available to developers.  Needless to say this code
> has been extensively revised since then to fix bugs, enhance
> performance and support various host systems.  Newer Kermit
> programs break Kermit spoofing in Telebit modems.  They also
> required modification to Yam's Kermit support which depended on
> the 198x Kermit protocol.
> 
> -- 
> Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
>    Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
> Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
> TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit killer text
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In article <3v5lvv$30m@nova.umuc.edu>, fnyman@nova.umuc.edu (Fredrik Nyman) writes:
> When running MS-Kermit (3.14 pl 0) in vt300 mode, displaying the text
> in the subject line below *will* cause the emulator to lock up.  
> 
> In vt100 mode, it's fine.
> 
> Does anyone have an explanation?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Fredrik
> 
> Subject: Re: Space<gibberish omitted>
-------
	Under what conditions did it occur? We cannot see the binary values
because Mail/News often does not preserve them (is not 8-bit clean). However,
taking a guess, the string probably containts 8-bit control codes which 
require no action at the "terminal" until an ST control code is received
to terminate them. Those would be standards defined control codes. It's 
in the Kermit manual. The quick cure is to press ALT = to perform a terminal
reset.
	Joe D.

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In article <1995Jul23.093017.56880@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
> ...
>	As Frank explained, the external protocol specification (the Kermit 
>protocol) remains consistent over time and internal implementation stragegies
>remain internal. Enhancements to the Kermit protocol are backward compatible 
>with the oldest Kermits.

Apparently there are things about Kermit Frank does not
understand besides how to do valid benchmarks.

Except for some very early versions, the Kermit support in Omen
Technology's Professional-YAM and ZCOMM comms programs has been
based on the "The Source" code, the last Columbia Kermit source
code made available to developers.  Needless to say this code
has been extensively revised since then to fix bugs, enhance
performance and support various host systems.  Newer Kermit
programs break Kermit spoofing in Telebit modems.  They also
required modification to Yam's Kermit support which depended on
the 198x Kermit protocol.

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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In <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

<snip>

>Nevertheless, perhaps it is now appropriate for me to put the question:
>
>  WHEREAS the computing landscape has changed dramatically in the past
>  15 years, from a rich and diverse mixture of systems to the almost
>  uniform dominance of PCs with DOS and Windows to the exlusion of all
>  else, and...
>
>  WHEREAS nobody, not even the most inexperienced user, transfers any type
>  of file except ZIP and GIF and JPEG any more, and...
>
>  WHEREAS it is still, to this day, impossible in most cases for software
>  to determine by examining a file's characteristics whether it is a text
>  or binary file (a notable exception being VMS), and therefore to switch
>  into the appropriate mode automatically, ...
>
>  WHEREAS, as Chuck correctly points out, it is possible (though often
>  difficult) to correct the format of a text file transferred in binary
>  mode but it is impossible to fix a binary file transferred in text
>  mode, therefore:
>
>  BE IT RESOLVED THAT future release of Kermit software will use binary
>  file-transfer mode by default.
>
>Is this the consensus of opinion among Kermit users?  If so, we'll make
>this change.  It's not hard -- all we have to do is change a "0" to a "1"
>and recompile :-)
>
>My thanks to Chuck for bringing this issue to the fore at this very
>appropriate time.
>
>>The default for Professional-YAM and ZCOMM is to transfer files without
>>translation.  Professional-YAM and ZCOMM Kermit transfers feature
>>automatic Kermit downloads.  In fact these programs are so quick they
>>often beat MSKermit on downloads from Unix CKermit.
>>
>>Despite Frank and Joe's expressed enthusiasm for quality Kermit
>>implmentations, I rather doubt that ZCOMM and Professional-YAM will
>>appear in any Columbia University list of efficient Kermit programs.
>>
>I'm perfectly willing to believe that you have produced excellent Kermit
>implementations, Chuck.  You are one of the few remaining members of a
>dying breed that is dedicated to producing high-quality work rather than
>glossy, slick, superficial trash.  You can quote me on that :-)
>
>- Frank

Would not matter to me as long as the change is noted in the docs. Keep up the
great work!

Jack







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From: Jharrell@uvsg.com (Jeff Harrell)
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Subject: Looking for Kermit for MPE xi
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Does anyone know where I can find kermit, zmodem or xmodem for MPE xi ?

Regards,
Jeff W. Harrell
jharrell@uvsg.com

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Hello to all!
 
I've a question which I've no answer nor explanation of, and
would like to ask some of you for an opinion!
 
Here it is: I've a 28,800 bps V.34 modem, and I tried to connect
to my account at UTCVM with supports up to 9600 bps. The thing
is, I can connect to it fine with 2400 bps connection, however,
every time I try to connect through a higher baud rate (4800, 9600, etc)
my modem just spits a "CONNECT 9600" message, and Kermit just
freezes! It's very frustrating, and I hope some of you can give
me a word of enlightening! Thanx!!
 
Kuan Chen
kchen@utcvm.utc.edu

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Does kermit work with IBM DOS.  I keep droppeing carrier 
when dialing through a modem.  I connect and get a # sign, 
then some randowm Hiroglyphics and then drop carrier.  
Other terminal emulations software connects ok.  What up?


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Hi Folks:

	This may be a naive quesiton, but, is there a way to establish
SLIP or PPP sessions using Kermit on a SUN Solaris 2.3 (SPARC 5) system?
If so, does it allow one to interface with SecurID prompts?
I've poked around an FAQ and recent Kermit literature, but ...

Thanks,
Wayne
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	wws@cc.bellcore.com
I'm just a soul whose intentions are good,
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood.

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From: Jim Clark <clark@uwinnipeg.ca>
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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:38:32 -0500
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Hi

Is it possible to make multiple connects to the same port (logging in to 
different accounts on same machine) without going through the 

set port tcp address

repeating address each time and picking the N(ew) option when prompted by 
Kermit?  I was looking/experimenting for something whereby one could just 
indicate that the current and/or next connect would be a new one.

Related question is whether one can select specified connection once 
multiple connects have been made or must cycle through the connections 
with the <Alt>n method?

Best wishes
Jim

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Multiple Connects to Same Port
Message-Id: <1995Jul29.161817.57488@cc.usu.edu>
Date: 29 Jul 95 16:18:17 MDT
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In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.950728143344.16379A-100000@io.UWinnipeg.ca>, Jim Clark <clark@UWinnipeg.ca> writes:
> Hi
> 
> Is it possible to make multiple connects to the same port (logging in to 
> different accounts on same machine) without going through the 
> 
> set port tcp address
> 
> repeating address each time and picking the N(ew) option when prompted by 
> Kermit?  I was looking/experimenting for something whereby one could just 
> indicate that the current and/or next connect would be a new one.
> 
> Related question is whether one can select specified connection once 
> multiple connects have been made or must cycle through the connections 
> with the <Alt>n method?
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	SET PORT TCP   is often encapsulated in macro TELNET as
	def telnet set port tcp \%1 \%2

	The second argument is for a port number (default 23, Telnet)
and can also be N for New session. Telnet thatplace n.
	SHOW SESSION will show active and remembered sessions, then
telnet <digit>  or  set port tcp <digit>  works when the digit picks
the session number from Show Session. It's in the release docs.
	Otherwise there is no syntax to say start a new session to the
same place (as there may be several "same places" active on the session
list).
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Int 14 (Please, Please help us out)
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In article <3vbmhr$uap@insosf1.netins.net>, RLUHMAN@netins.net (Rick Luhman) writes:
> We have obtained some software/hardware that will allow us to share a
> modem hooked to an X.25 protocol line.  Does anybody know how to tell
> kermit 3.14 to use the int14 protocol (Set port? Set host?).  Any help
> would be appreciated.
-----------
	There isn't an Int 14h protocol, to use the words precisely. There
are a number of interfaces which use Int 14h and different command sets.
MSK supports several and the two of interest to you are probably SET PORT 
BIOS<digit> for IBM PC Bios serial cmds, SET PORT 3COM(BAPI) for BAPI. It's
in the manual.
	Joe D.

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From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup??
Organization: Omen Technology INC
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 00:09:05 GMT
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In article <1995Jul28.154724.57417@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>In article <DCBqtq.G7q@omen.com>, caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>> In article <1995Jul23.093017.56880@cc.usu.edu>,
>> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>	As Frank explained, the external protocol specification (the Kermit 
>>>protocol) remains consistent over time and internal implementation stragegies
>>>remain internal. Enhancements to the Kermit protocol are backward compatible 
>>>with the oldest Kermits.
>> 
>> Apparently there are things about Kermit Frank does not
>> understand besides how to do valid benchmarks.
>
>	Chuck: it's about time you stopped slamming people in public.
>It's disgusting, wastes bandwidth. Your posts continue to be destructive. 
>	Stop and reread my paragraph above more carefully.
>	What you did, according to your paragraph below, was swipe 
>code from C Kermit having that ancient Source stuff. You could have 
>done what I did, implement the protocol fresh and cleanly. The spec is
>the same.

Talk about slamming people in public!

Doupnik's claim that I *SWIPED* (as in stole) code from C Kermit
is an unfounded, scurrilous libel on my honesty and business
ethics.  I demand an immediate public retraction and apology.

The Kermit support in Professional-YAM and ZCOMM is based on the
SuperKermit "The Source" code which, in fact, I helped develop.
Despite Frank's attempted revision of historical fact, this code
was offered royalty-free to developers of general purpose comms
programs to entice them to add SuperKermit to their products.

>        If you still have trouble implementing the Kermit protocol then
>we are happy to clarify details, but we don't write the code for
>other vendors.
>	Joe D.

As Doupnik conveniently forgets, it was a problem with Columbia
Kermit, not Professional-YAM, that started this thread.

And, yes Joe, there was a change in the Kermit spec.  The
original Kermit spec called for quoting of *all* control
characters.  Professional-YAM customers were having problems
downloading from certain systems that were inserting control
characters into Kermit packets.  So I modified the Kermit code
in Professional-YAM to ignore out of spec control characters
within Kermit packets, and the customers were able to use Kermit
in their environment.  It shouldn't take a protocol wizard to
realize how Franks' recent changes to Kermit would break code
that was written to the older Kermit spec.

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: chrisj@tufted.puffin.com (Chris Jewell)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: MacKermit throughput
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Someone has recommended that my employer and a customer use MacKermit
to transfer files between a pair of distant Macs via modem.  I recall
that early implementations of Kermit suffered from performance
problems due to packet-size restrictions and the like.  From time to
time, I have seen Frank da Cruz assert (without contradiction except
perhaps from Chuck Forsberg <grin>) that complaints about Kermit
performance result from using commercial commware that contains old,
out-of-date implementations of the protocol, or from failure to adjust
the setup to take advantage of 8-bit channels, large packets, etc.,
and that anyone using the current production releases of the Columbia
U. programs C-Kermit and MS-KERMIT should be able to obtain something
close to the bandwidth limit on Kermit transfers, provided they pay
attention to tuning.

Can anyone tell me whether the currently available MacKermit has an
up-to-date protocol engine in it, and thus is tunable to near-optimum
throughput, or whether it contains one of those old, inescapably slow
implementations?  I'm perfectly happy to drum up a couple of
registration payments for ZTerm or whatever and use Zmodem protocol if
MacKermit is slow, but if MacKermit performs well I'm also perfectly
happy to recommend that we use it: all I need is a little information.

Email and I'll summarize to save bandwidth.  For those whose R keys
don't work (or who don't like to use them), I'll also watch netnews
for followups.

Thank you.
-- 
Chris Jewell	chrisj@puffin.com

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From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup??
Organization: Omen Technology INC
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In article <3vea9l$b7n@Venus.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell <les@MCS.COM> wrote:
> ...
>>  WHEREAS nobody, not even the most inexperienced user, transfers any type
>>  of file except ZIP and GIF and JPEG any more, and...
>
>Unfortunately, GIF and JPEG files are more portable than text these days.

That's because so many "text" files are not quite ANSI files
with formats of their own.  Perhaps we should not call a file a text file
unless it only contains printable characters, with a maximum 80 or 132 line
width, and no control characters other than CR/LF (or NL) and TAB.

The more one objects to this definition the more one proves the point.

Perhaps the future lines in programs that accept either text format,
including most C compilers, less, and the Stevie editor for DOS.
(Oh yes, and the Professional-YAM script interpreter!)

Do people have problems with FTP's file corruption mode default?
In many situations it's not the default.  When it was, as when
FTP-ing new Chicago builds from Microsoft's NT server, it caused
its share of grief.

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: RLUHMAN@netins.net (Rick Luhman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Int 14 (Please, Please help us out)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 21:51:10 GMT
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We have obtained some software/hardware that will allow us to share a
modem hooked to an X.25 protocol line.  Does anybody know how to tell
kermit 3.14 to use the int14 protocol (Set port? Set host?).  Any help
would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Rick Luhman


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From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Mirror sites of Columbia's archive?
Date: 30 Jul 95 13:05:49 GMT
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Is there a (legal) mirror site of kermit.columbia.edu?
I am trying to get kermit source, but the site is unreachable from me.

Thanks.

-- budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
#include <std-disclaimer.h>
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help with modem setup in Kermit!
Date: 30 Jul 1995 14:47:23 GMT
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In article <173E7B6C2S86.KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu>,  <KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu> wrote:
: I've a question which I've no answer nor explanation of, and
: would like to ask some of you for an opinion!
:  
: Here it is: I've a 28,800 bps V.34 modem, and I tried to connect
: to my account at UTCVM with supports up to 9600 bps. The thing
: is, I can connect to it fine with 2400 bps connection, however,
: every time I try to connect through a higher baud rate (4800, 9600, etc)
: my modem just spits a "CONNECT 9600" message, and Kermit just
: freezes! It's very frustrating, and I hope some of you can give
: me a word of enlightening! Thanx!!
:  
You should approach your own tech support people at UTCVM first.
They know the setup, the people on the net don't.  If they are
providing you with Kermit software, then they definitely should also
provide the support.  Then, if they have questions, they can come to
the central Kermit help desk.  Everybody's time is used much more
efficiently that way.

Also, you did not provide any information about what kind of computer
you are using, which operating system, or which Kermit program and
version.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit while using IBM DOS/drop carrier problem
Date: 30 Jul 1995 14:49:54 GMT
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In article <1995Jul28.154921.15312@news.rlcn.rl.af.mil>,
Mark S Reichman  <reichmanm@rl.af.mil> wrote:
: Does kermit work with IBM DOS.  I keep droppeing carrier 
: when dialing through a modem.  I connect and get a # sign, 
: then some randowm Hiroglyphics and then drop carrier.  
: Other terminal emulations software connects ok.  What up?
:
Kermit works fine with PC DOS.  The current version is 3.14.
If you install it properly and read the directions, you should
not have any problems.  If, after doing so, then get back with
some specifics.  MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is available as follows:

  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
  directory kermit/archives,
  binary mode,
  file msvibm.zip.

If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you
want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of
your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other
file you might have modified.

Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to
preserve the directory structure.  Then read the top-level READ.ME
file for further installation instructions.

For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please
purchase the manual:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York NY  10025-7721
    USA
    Voice: +1 212 854-3703
    Fax:   +1 212 663-8202
    Email: kermit@columbia.edu
    Web:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn
  on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada,
		       Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time)
    +1 617 928 2613   (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info)
    +44 1933 414000   (Rushden, England distribution centre for
		       UK & Europe)
    +44 1865 310366   (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept)
    +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ)
    +65 356-1968      (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore,
		       Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand)
    +27 031-294247    (Durban office for South Africa)

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for Kermit for MPE xi
Date: 30 Jul 1995 14:52:47 GMT
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In article <3vb1m3$n68@ds9.spacecom.com>,
Jeff Harrell <jharrell@uvsg.com> wrote:
>Does anyone know where I can find kermit, zmodem or xmodem for MPE xi ?
>
I don't know about Zmodem, but Kermit software is available for the
HP-3000 series with MPE via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
directory kermit/d, text mode, files hp3*.*.  I don't know what MPE xi
is, but if it is only a new version of MPE, then, hopefully, these
versions (which are less than two years old) whould work OK.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3vbvee$q7g@garlic.com>, Chris Jewell <chrisj@puffin.com> wrote:
: Someone has recommended that my employer and a customer use MacKermit
: to transfer files between a pair of distant Macs via modem.  I recall
: that early implementations of Kermit suffered from performance
: problems due to packet-size restrictions and the like.  From time to
: time, I have seen Frank da Cruz assert (without contradiction except
: perhaps from Chuck Forsberg <grin>) that complaints about Kermit
: performance result from using commercial commware that contains old,
: out-of-date implementations of the protocol, or from failure to adjust
: the setup to take advantage of 8-bit channels, large packets, etc.,
: and that anyone using the current production releases of the Columbia
: U. programs C-Kermit and MS-KERMIT should be able to obtain something
: close to the bandwidth limit on Kermit transfers, provided they pay
: attention to tuning.
: 
: Can anyone tell me whether the currently available MacKermit has an
: up-to-date protocol engine in it...
:
Yes, it does.

: ... and thus is tunable to near-optimum
: throughput, or whether it contains one of those old, inescapably slow
: implementations?
:
No, it doesn't.

: I'm perfectly happy to drum up a couple of
: registration payments for ZTerm or whatever and use Zmodem protocol if
: MacKermit is slow, but if MacKermit performs well I'm also perfectly
: happy to recommend that we use it: all I need is a little information.
: 
: Email and I'll summarize to save bandwidth.
:
No need for that, this is the definitive answer.

While Mac Kermit might not be among our premiere implementations, it is
at least up to date with respect to the protocol engine.  It lags behind
in the Mac-specific aspects, due to a chronic shortage of capable
volunteer Macintosh programmers and the ever-changing nature of the
Macintosh platform and OS themselves.  Thus, if you can get it to work
at all on your Mac (it does on most), and if you can make it transfer
files at all (the latest "non-releases" do), then you should be able to
tune it optimally.

Here is the current canned blurb describing Mac Kermit:

CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT

Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with
downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x).  Now files can be downloaded
on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS
7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects.  It should also fix certain
binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when
downloading in binary mode.

As of June 3, 1995, there is also a version modified to use the Communications
Toolbox if available, which hopefully should eliminate a lot of the problems
people have been reporting concerning "Problem closing RAM serial driver",
etc, as well as problems finding and using some of the more unusual types of
communication ports on newer Mac models.

The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988.  Unfortunately, it
does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems.  However, newer
versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on
these old models.

A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result
(so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most
purposes.

The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is
0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190).  It is available via anonymous FTP
from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f.

A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is
complete.  Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will
be.  Mac Kermit files: ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the
kermit/f directory:

  ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format
  ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988)
  ckmker.ps  -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40)
  ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc
  ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font

and in the kermit/charsets directory:

  maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself

The June 3 Communications Toolbox Test version is in:

  kermit/mac/mackermit.hqx.  UnBinHex it and then you have a self-extracting
  archive (SEA), which you can click on to unpack into the Kermit app.

Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details.

(End of ckmaaa.hlp)



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Subject: Re: Mirror sites of Columbia's archive?
Date: 30 Jul 1995 15:13:17 GMT
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In article <rahardj.807109549@arrakis>,
Budi Rahardjo <rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca> wrote:
>Is there a (legal) mirror site of kermit.columbia.edu?
>I am trying to get kermit source, but the site is unreachable from me.
>
There are no illegal mirror sites, at least not presently.

What is illegal is when a CDROM manufacturer / distributor makes a CDROM
from an ftp site that has Kermit software on it and sells it or
distributes it in any other way without the permission of the Kermit
software copyright holder.

We don't have the resources to police ftp mirror sites, so you're on your
own as to finding one that will provide you with up-to-date, complete
versions of the software.  If you have problems with Kermit software that
you obtain from a mirror site, don't ask us about it because we don't know
what you got and we don't have the time to research it.

There is no reason why you should not be able to reach
kermit.columbia.edu; we play host to thousands of ftps every day.  There
are no session limits or any other artificial restrictions.  Ask your
local network administration what the problem is.

- Frank

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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
> I am running FreeBSD 2.0 with C-Kermit.  I am having trouble with
> running the zmodem and am trying to use the define command to use it
> like
> 
> defile sz /usr/local/bin/sz %1 < /dev/cua00 > /dev/cua00
> 
> but it will not run.

define sz !sz \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9 < \v(line)>\v(line)
define rz !rz \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9 < \v(line)>\v(line)

Bye,
Knarf
-- 
    Frank Bartels    |    UUCP/ZModem/Fax: + 49 89 5469593     | MiNT is
knarf@nasim.cube.net | Login: nuucp Index: /pub/ls-lR.nasim.gz | Now TOS!

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From: dkanagy@twics.com (Dan Kanagy)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help with input statement in a script file
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 09:23:00 +0900
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In article <3v84vb$t3r@cwmills.umd.edu>,
gdead@Glue.umd.edu (Alan Neustadtl) wrote:

|         Okay kermit gurus.....I am using ckermit for os/2 and attempting
| to automate a login to our university annex server.  I am trying to
| use the input statement to "look" for the typical Username:, Password:
| strings.

[...snip...]

As far as I can tell, I seem to be experiencing the same problem.  I'm
trying to create a script to log in to a VMS system from a OS/2 PC.  I
can't use VMSLOGIN since the remote host has added an extra step to
the login process.  The remote host also sends about 300 bytes of text
before it gets to what I'm trying to match in the input statement. 
I've logged my session and the text I want to match is there but input
isn't finding it.  I've also logged in with debug and there are no
unusual hidden characters to cause problems--just the occasional ^M
and ^J.  No doubt the solution is trivial--once I know what it is.

FWIW, the relevant portion of the script is

  input 10 (1-2,q)
  if failure -
    end 1 No prompt

and my logged session is:

[27 ^Js followed by]
Please choose one of the following, then press RETURN.  If you have any
difficulty connecting, use our alternate access number, (03) 3351-8244.

                       1. Information (Username: Guest)
                       2. Access Twics Host Computer
                          Enter Selection (1-2,q) 

Yes, I've bought *Using C-Kermit* and I'm glad I did.  There's no
other way to get the most out of kermit, in my opinion.

____________________________________________________________________________
Dan Kanagy         Work: wordwise@netcom.com        Play: dkanagy@twics.com
Tokyo, Japan                                              dkanagy@netcom.com

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Has anyone ever written a script for max
baud/bps connection, etc., for this modem??

Using MS-Kermit 3.14r9 and/or NetManage Chameleon.
---
Christopher M Milton  cmilton@access.digex.net
BA, linguistics, Macalester College, 1989
Arlington (VA) Central Library  (703) 358-5945
http://www.access.digex.net/~cmilton


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 jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>	Chuck: it's about time you stopped slamming people in public.
>It's disgusting, wastes bandwidth. Your posts continue to be destructive. 

AMEN!!!

Chuck's posts wreak of blatant self-promotion.  He's apparently afraid
that the kermit protocol is going to cut into his profits, so he sees
the need to attack kermit at every opportunity. It's sickening...

-- 
Joe Huber
jhuber@metronet.com
817-557-3186

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Help with input statement in a script file
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In article <EZAHw07+wp8G084yn@twics.com>, Dan Kanagy <dkanagy@twics.com> wrote:
: 
: As far as I can tell, I seem to be experiencing the same problem.  I'm
: trying to create a script to log in to a VMS system from a OS/2 PC.  I
: can't use VMSLOGIN since the remote host has added an extra step to
: the login process.  ...
: No doubt the solution is trivial--once I know what it is.
: 
Take another look at the VMSLOGIN script.  Notice how it handles VMS's
"What Are You?" query to the terminal.  At present (though not necessarily
in the future), it is a cardinal principle that Kermit's terminal emulator
is not active except when executing the CONNECT command.  Thus, anything
the terminal emulator would have had to do during an interactive login must
be done by your script.  Here is the relevant fragment from the current
version of VMSLOGIN:

    minput 20 \27Z \27[c,-
    xif success { -
      out \27[\?1c,-
      in 2 [6n,-
      if succ out \27[24;80R -
    } else { out \13},-

(By the way, this version has hardwired values for terminal ID and
screen size, which could be fixed to reflect the actual terminal
ID and screen size.)

If you have further trouble with VMSLOGIN'ing, send details by email to
kermit@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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From: Jim Revkin <revco@revco.med.yale.edu>
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When I try to dialout using C-Kermit under solaris 2.4, as a regular
user, I get an error message telling me I don't have permission to
access the dialout device /dev/cu/a.  When I do a % ls -la /dev/cu/a
it indicates root ownership, and everyone has rwx permissions turned on.

If I login as superuser from my user account, I CAN dialout.

Also, as a regular user, I can dialout using tip.

What I cannot figure out is how I can dialout using tip, but cannot using 
kermit (unless I've left the login shell and gone into su), knowing that 
both applications use the same device identifier.

Please respond to:

james.revkin@yale.edu

thanks

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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
...
: There is no reason why you should not be able to reach
: kermit.columbia.edu; we play host to thousands of ftps every day.  There
: are no session limits or any other artificial restrictions.  Ask your
: local network administration what the problem is.

The connections from us to there is flakey. Actually I got connected
a few minutes ago, and got disconnected during an ftp session.
I tried to connect again but got error message that there is no
route to that host. Traceroute indicated that somewhere (hmm...
was it mci.net or sprintlink) the connection was broken.

Going back to my question, so there is no official mirror sites
(ie the one that talked to you before doing so) for kermit.

PS: I've been patient and trying to do this for a week :-(
    I'll try again. 

Thanks for your response.

-- budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
#include <std-disclaimer.h>
Unix Support/Administrator - Computer Services - University of Manitoba

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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.950731080135.3342A-100000@revco.med.yale.edu>,
Jim Revkin  <revco@revco.med.yale.edu> wrote:
: When I try to dialout using C-Kermit under solaris 2.4, as a regular
: user, I get an error message telling me I don't have permission to
: access the dialout device /dev/cu/a.  When I do a % ls -la /dev/cu/a
: it indicates root ownership, and everyone has rwx permissions turned on.
: 
: If I login as superuser from my user account, I CAN dialout.
: 
: Also, as a regular user, I can dialout using tip.
: 
: What I cannot figure out is how I can dialout using tip, but cannot using 
: kermit (unless I've left the login shell and gone into su), knowing that 
: both applications use the same device identifier.
: 
If the lock directory or the dialout device is protected against "world",
then either their protections must be changed or Kermit must be installed
setuid or setgid.  This is thoroughly documented in the UNIX appendix of
the manual, "Using C-Kermit", and in the installation notes, ckuins.doc,
that come with the software.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Mirror sites of Columbia's archive?
Date: 1 Aug 1995 00:19:43 GMT
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In article <rahardj.807207459@arrakis>,
Budi Rahardjo <rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca> wrote:
: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
: ...
: : There is no reason why you should not be able to reach
: : kermit.columbia.edu; we play host to thousands of ftps every day.  There
: : are no session limits or any other artificial restrictions.  Ask your
: : local network administration what the problem is.
: 
: The connections from us to there is flakey. Actually I got connected
: a few minutes ago, and got disconnected during an ftp session.
: I tried to connect again but got error message that there is no
: route to that host. Traceroute indicated that somewhere (hmm...
: was it mci.net or sprintlink) the connection was broken.
: 
Not our fault!  The Internet has problems from time to time -- you lucky
folks in Canada might not realize it, but most of the USA has been
engulfed in a terrible heat wave for the past three weeks, which is causing
even worse problems than occasional Internet disruptions :-)

: Going back to my question, so there is no official mirror sites
: (ie the one that talked to you before doing so) for kermit.
: 
No, there is presently no official mirror site.  We have no control over
what other sites do, so you take your chances with them.  That is not to
say that none of them does a good job, only that we simply do not know
and don't have the time to research it, nor to keep up with it on a daily
basis, which is what would be required.

- Frank

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From: mahsu@news.uta.edu.uta.edu (Mr. C. P. Hsu)
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Subject: Help! install Kermit on linux
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Hi, everybody, 

I had a problem of installing the Kermit5A(190) on my newly installed
linux(486DX33).   I have no idea about how to fix it.  I'll appreciate 
if someone could tell me how to solve this problem.

Here is the error message I got. I was using gcc 2.6.3 to make Kermit5A:
 
Making C-Kermit "5A(190)" for Linux...
For FSSTND-recommended UUCP lockfiles, use:
  make linux "KFLAGS=-DLINUXFSSTND
Use "make linuxtcp" to add TCP/IP support.
Read comments in makefile for additional options.
make wermit "CC = gcc" "CC2 = gcc" \
"CFLAGS = -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG \
" "LNKFLAGS = " "LIBS = -lncurses -ltermcap" 

...

make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kermit'
gcc  -o wermit ckcmai.o ckutio.o \
        ckufio.o ckcfns.o ckcfn2.o ckcfn3.o \
        ckuxla.o ckcpro.o ckucmd.o ckuus2.o \
        ckuus3.o ckuus4.o ckuus5.o ckuus6.o \
        ckuus7.o ckuusx.o ckuusy.o ckuusr.o \
        ckucon.o ckudia.o ckuscr.o ckcnet.o -lncurses -ltermcap
lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto'
lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here
make[1]: *** [wermit] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kermit'
make: *** [linux] Error 2

Thanks.

C. P. Hsu
Math Dept. U. of Texas @ Arlington
mahsu@utacnvx.uta.edu




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From: Scott <75324.1301@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: Need Help With PaPer
Date: 31 Jul 1995 21:05:46 GMT
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High School student needs help with finding info on kermit for 
paper..Please send any info.

Thanks
scott

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Help! install Kermit on linux
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In article <3vjqfv$j46@utaipx02.uta.edu>,
Mr. C. P. Hsu <mahsu@news.uta.edu.uta.edu> wrote:
: I had a problem of installing the Kermit5A(190) on my newly installed
: linux(486DX33).   I have no idea about how to fix it.  I'll appreciate 
: if someone could tell me how to solve this problem.
: 
: Here is the error message I got. I was using gcc 2.6.3 to make Kermit5A:
: ...
: " "LNKFLAGS = " "LIBS = -lncurses -ltermcap" 
: ...
: lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto'
: lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here
: 
Evidently you have to be real careful about which curses library is used.
I think it depends on your Linux distribution -- different packagers use
different curses libraries.  The general rule is:  if -lncurses doesn't work,
try -lcurses, and vice versa.  Maybe also remove -ltermcap.  If all else
fails, remove both, and also remove -DCK_CURSES from CFLAGS.

If anybody understands what is going on better than I do, please report
back to me so I can update the installation instructions.

Thanks!

- Frank

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From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: One-Way File Transfer Protocol?
Date: 31 Jul 1995 21:43:08 -0400
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In article <3vjs4e$nip@elaine30.Stanford.EDU>,
Dylan Mackay <opel@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>I am looking for information on one-way file transfer protocols.  What
>I mean by this is a protocol that will support file transmissions in
>which the receiving side has no transmission capability at all.  It
>cannot send flow control, error-checcking responses, or anything else
>it might do in traditional ftp-style protocols.  Ideally, some type of
>error-checking information could be send with the file, so that the
>receiving end could interpret what it has received, and establish
>whether the transmission was corrupted or not.

I believe you are trying to describe error-correcting codes rather than
communication protocols.

marshall
-- 
                  [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com]

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From: opel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dylan Mackay)
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Summary: Looking for a File transfer protocol
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I am looking for information on one-way file transfer protocols.  What
I mean by this is a protocol that will support file transmissions in
which the receiving side has no transmission capability at all.  It
cannot send flow control, error-checcking responses, or anything else
it might do in traditional ftp-style protocols.  Ideally, some type of
error-checking information could be send with the file, so that the
receiving end could interpret what it has received, and establish
whether the transmission was corrupted or not.

I imagine that one could simply add up all of the bytes transmitted,
and then transmit that sum as a checksum byte.  Unfortunately, this
would only allow the receiver to discard erroneous files, not correct
them in any way.  If there is a more sophisticated type of one-way
transmission, I'd like to hear about it.

Does such a protocol exist?  Is there some kind of a standard?  Where
can I find out about it?

Please mail any responses to opel@leland.stanford.edu.

Also please understand that I am a bit of a novice on the issues
surrounding file transfers (if it's not obvious from the questions
that I'm asking...).

Thanks in advance, 
Dylan Mackay
opel@leland.stanford.edu









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Thanks.  I *REALLY* wanted to have my terminal lock up.  Why 
didn't you quote it or something?  Frank, Joe, Jeff, &c. are 
perfectly capable of testing strings like this.  You didn't 
need to give all of us a real-world test, especially since 
many of us here have NO CLUE as to how to fix this.  Besides, 
where did you find such a f****d up string in the first place?

If anybody else follows up on this, please delete the offending 
string.

Back to vt320 mode,

Troy Smith

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From: perez@oldcolo.com (Carlos Perez)
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Subject: C-KERMIT for Dell UNIX Sys V rel 4, ver 4?
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I compiled c-kermit 5A(190) for a system running Dell UNIX System V,
release 4, version 4.0 (I don't know if this is really a Dell
since I normally dial-up to this machine from home).  I ran
"make dellsys5r4c" and it compiled without errors and starts up
fine.  I planned to use it to send/receive files thru the shell
account.

My problem:  I can't get MS Kermit 3.14 to receive or send files
using C-Kermit, not does server mode accept commands (FINISH, REMOTE HELP,
GET, etc.).  It appears as if C-Kermit can't talk to a client 
thru the terminal server.  I know the problem is not with MS Kermit
because I can use it just fine using another dial-up machine running
Unix.

Anyone have any thoughts as to what could be wrong?

-- Carlos (perez@oldcolo.com)


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From: Varun Mehta <varun@columbia.edu>
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Subject: setting up kermit to auto-answer?
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I guess what I want is similar to BBS functionality.  I'd like to be able
to dial a remote PC and pick up one or more files from it.  I want to know
how I should configure the remote PC?  I assume I have to set up it's modem
to auto-answer and I have to have a copy of kermit running and listening
on the appropriate com port.  Can I do this using kermit alone or do I
need BBS software?

Are there any scripts or pointers available to do this?


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: C-KERMIT for Dell UNIX Sys V rel 4, ver 4?
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In article <3vi0fj$jhg@news-2.csn.net>, Carlos Perez <perez@oldcolo.com> wrote:
: I compiled c-kermit 5A(190) for a system running Dell UNIX System V,
: release 4, version 4.0 (I don't know if this is really a Dell
: since I normally dial-up to this machine from home).  I ran
: "make dellsys5r4c" and it compiled without errors and starts up
: fine.  I planned to use it to send/receive files thru the shell
: account.
: 
: My problem:  I can't get MS Kermit 3.14 to receive or send files
: using C-Kermit, not does server mode accept commands (FINISH, REMOTE HELP,
: GET, etc.).  It appears as if C-Kermit can't talk to a client 
: thru the terminal server.  I know the problem is not with MS Kermit
: because I can use it just fine using another dial-up machine running
: Unix.
: 
There is not enough information here to supply an answer.  However, the
Dell version has been well tested and works fine.  Try "set parity space"
on both ends.  If that doesn't do it, read the manual, the "beware file",
etc.  If that doesn't help, send email to kermit@columbia.edu with
details.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: One-Way File Transfer Protocol?
Date: 1 Aug 1995 12:29:13 GMT
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In article <3vjs4e$nip@elaine30.Stanford.EDU>,
Dylan Mackay <opel@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
: I am looking for information on one-way file transfer protocols.  What
: I mean by this is a protocol that will support file transmissions in
: which the receiving side has no transmission capability at all.  It
: cannot send flow control, error-checcking responses, or anything else
: it might do in traditional ftp-style protocols.  Ideally, some type of
: error-checking information could be send with the file, so that the
: receiving end could interpret what it has received, and establish
: whether the transmission was corrupted or not.
: 
: I imagine that one could simply add up all of the bytes transmitted,
: and then transmit that sum as a checksum byte.  Unfortunately, this
: would only allow the receiver to discard erroneous files, not correct
: them in any way.  If there is a more sophisticated type of one-way
: transmission, I'd like to hear about it.
: 
: Does such a protocol exist?  Is there some kind of a standard?  Where
: can I find out about it?
: 
It's called "forward error correction".  The problem has been considered
in some depth by scientists in the space program:

(a) Obtain an advanced degree in mathematics.

(b) Learn about Hamming codes.

(c) Learn about Bose-Chaudhouri-Hocquengham codes.

(d) Find papers on the fifty or so more advanced techniques developed
    since then.

Not for the faint of heart.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: setting up kermit to auto-answer?
Date: 1 Aug 1995 12:33:43 GMT
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In article <3vkoba$e7a@netapp.netapp.com>, Varun Mehta  <varun> wrote:
: I guess what I want is similar to BBS functionality.  I'd like to be able
: to dial a remote PC and pick up one or more files from it.  I want to know
: how I should configure the remote PC?  I assume I have to set up it's modem
: to auto-answer and I have to have a copy of kermit running and listening
: on the appropriate com port.  Can I do this using kermit alone or do I
: need BBS software?
: 
You can do it using Kermit alone, but this does not give you a DOS session
or menu on the remote side, in case that's what you were looking for.

It gives you a Kermit server, to which the client can send file management
(DIR, CD, etc) and transfer commands.  It includes security features.  Of
course, this can be menued to death on the client end.  See Chapters 10
and 11 of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit".

- Frank

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From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: personal note to Chuck Forsberg [was Re: Kermit download...]
Organization: Omen Technology INC
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In article <bhuberDCLE75.9p@netcom.com>, Bud Huber <bhuber@netcom.com> wrote:
>In article <DCL5z6.F7H@omen.com>, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX <caf@omen.com> wrote:
>>In article <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com>,
>>>Joseph Huber <jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com> wrote:
>>>> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>[snip, snip...]
>>and demand a fair
>[snip to end.]
>
>Dear Chuck,

Dear Bud,

Your observations about discussing the merits of ZMODEM and Kermit
are duly noted.  When Frank da Cruz at al. cease to unjustly and
incorrectly attack ZMODEM, directly or by reference, it will no
longer be necessary for me and others to respond.

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <DCnFFL.4q3@omen.com>, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX <caf@omen.com> wrote:
>In article <bhuberDCLE75.9p@netcom.com>, Bud Huber <bhuber@netcom.com> wrote:
>>Dear Chuck,
>[snip snip]
>
>Dear Bud,
>
>Your observations about discussing the merits of ZMODEM and Kermit
>are duly noted.  When Frank da Cruz at al. cease to unjustly and
>incorrectly attack ZMODEM, directly or by reference, it will no
>longer be necessary for me and others to respond.
>
This is a vicious circle, and it's an enormous waste of time for both
Chuck and me.  I could rephrase the above sentence, switching names
around, and it applies equally to Kermit.  Perhaps the real question is
"what constitutes an attack"?

Chuck and some other people believe the Kermit News article from 1993 to
be an unfair attack because it didn't compare Kermit with some things they
thought it should have compared it with.  We could go on and on about this
forever (and it feels as if we have :-), but at bottom the article was
published to counter "unjust and incorrect attacks" against Kermit over
the years that had the cumulative effect of making everybody believe it
was intrinsically slow.  I think the article achieved its purpose, and I
do not believe this was done at Chuck's or Omen Technology's expense.  If
it was done at anybody's expense, it was the companies that make the
software with which Kermit was compared.  The article is very explicit
about this.

In any case, it's been two years.  Let's bury the hatchet.  I think we can
all live in a world in which there are two major competing file transfer
protocols (not counting FTP :-), each one with its own strengths and
weaknesses, each with its own preferred (default) tuning and set of
assumptions behind that tuning, each with its own appeal to different
segments of the world's people.  I don't want to destroy ZMODEM -- I want
everybody to realize that the two protocols are pretty much on a par with
one another when examined objectively, rather than one (ZMODEM) being so
far superior to Kermit that one would only turn to Kermit as a "last
resort".

If we can all agree on that, then there is room for gentlepersonly
disagreement about details: what are the most appropriate default tunings
for various audiences and why, and on a more theoretical level about
windowing strategies, error recovery characteristics, and so forth (as if
anybody cares), but there should be no need for acrimony or fighting over
table scraps.  In any case, I think that both Chuck and I have
demonstrated our respective abilities to hold our ground - there will
never be a clear victor or vanquished, so why bother?

And truth be told, there are far greater threats to Omen and ZMODEM than
Kermit, and vice versa.

- Frank

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Kermit Nubea here,

I'm trying to setup Kermit to automatically dial into a Galacticom BBS. I have 
already modified the MCCUSTOM to dial the number but, when it connects to the 
BBS the prompt just sits and does not take any of my Output commands. 

I also tried doing a C to go into terminal mode within the .TAK file but the 
results were similar. I'm able to see the BBS main screen but the system still 
does not take any of my script commands until I do a CTRL-X. 

Any suggestions?



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From: bjorndahl@augustana.ab.ca (Sterling Bjorndahl)
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Subject: MSK 3.14 and Vax/CMU 6.6-5a don't work together
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Using a tcp/ip connection between MS-Kermit 3.14 (packet drivers) and a
Vax with CMU-TEK tcp/ip 6.6-5a, the connection freezes after about two
minutes of usage (terminal emulation) without error message. Attempting
to Hangup results in a computer lockup.
 
MS-Kermit 3.13 works just fine, and MS-K 3.14 connects to Vaxes with
other vms tcp/ip's just fine. No other software that I have tried has
failed to connect to the CMU machine.
 
We are running IPX as well as IP, in case that makes a difference.
 
I don't know how to go about tracking this down, so advice or
suggestions would be appreciated. I would even be glad to offer to any
volunteer debugger a guest account on our Vax to try it out.

Here's an extract from a typical autoexec.bat entry:
 
> LH /L:2,11136 c:\exp16 0x60
> LH /L:1,4144 c:\winpkt 0x60 (not in all configurations that fail)
> LH /L:2,27024 c:\pdipx
> c:\netx /ps=lab_server_1
 
As I say, this continues to work just fine with 3.13.
 
-- 
Sterling G. Bjorndahl, bjorndahl@Augustana.AB.CA 
Augustana University College, Camrose, Alberta, Canada (403) 679-1516
   When dealing with computers, a little paranoia is usually appropriate.

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I lost my kermit! Help me find him! Please!

You know who you are? You  better not hurt him?


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In article <DCL5z6.F7H@omen.com>, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX <caf@omen.com> wrote:
>In article <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com>,
>>Joseph Huber <jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com> wrote:
>>> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
[snip, snip...]
>and demand a fair
[snip to end.]

Dear Chuck,

Your tirades, be they justified or not, are of no interest to me. I
continue to read this particular bulletin board so that I can keep current
and learn how better to utilize Kermit. You seem to be of the opinion that
the topic is of the ilk <comp.protocols.kermit-vs-zmodem> or perhaps
<comp.protocols.kermit.sucks>. To my way of thinking, the topic is quite
clear and of interest to me; your comments are off-focus, negative, and
not worthy of my time. You can "demand" what you wish, but don't look for
support from me. 

While it is your prerogative to post whatever you wish, I have to tell you
that anytime I see either your name or Xmodem or Ymodem or Zmodem or ... ,
I think bad thoughts. Whether or not that is your intended goal, that is
the end result of your mindset and writing style. People generally get
recognized for what they have accomplished, not what/who they tear down
(unless you are a politician running for office, a lawyer, or some such
cretin!).  You may have done great things in your life, but I'm not
willing to give you any of my time to help me understand what those
accomplishments may be -- unless and until you come from a more
constructive viewpoint. 

Best wishes,
Bud Huber

P.S., I am in no way related to the Joseph Huber who has also responded 
to your postings.
-- 
--------------------
Bud Huber <72130.1217@compuserve.com> or <bhuber@netcom.com>.
PGP 2.7.1 public key available on request.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Scipts and auto Logon to a BBS
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In article <fgug.8.000F0188@interaccess.com>,
Frank Gugliuzza <fgug@interaccess.com> wrote:

>I'm trying to setup Kermit to automatically dial into a Galacticom BBS. I
>have already modified the MCCUSTOM to dial the number but, when it
>connects to the BBS the prompt just sits and does not take any of my
>Output commands.
>
>I also tried doing a C to go into terminal mode within the .TAK file but
>the results were similar. I'm able to see the BBS main screen but the
>system still does not take any of my script commands until I do a CTRL-X.
>
It sounds to me like you need to read the script programming chapter of
the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit".  Although Kermit script programs are
easier to write than, say, C or Fortran programs, when writing programs in
any language you need a reference until you are proficient enough to work
without it.

To summarize very briefly, first make sure sure that you can do everything
manually.  Then write down what you did in the form of a script program.
Replace the CONNECT command by a series of:

  OUTPUT blah   ; what I type
  INPUT n blah  ; how the computer is supposed to respond within n secs
  IF FAIL blah  ; what to do if it doesn't

Use SET TAKE ECHO ON and SET INPUT ECHO ON to debug.  Please consult the
manual for details.

The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14, the manual is:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3.
  Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and
  compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a
  US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada,
		       Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time)
    +1 617 928 2613   (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info)
    +44 1933 414000   (Rushden, England distribution centre for
		       UK & Europe)
    +44 1865 310366   (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept)
    +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ)
    +65 356-1968      (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore,
		       Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand)
    +27 031-294247    (Durban office for South Africa)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991),
    414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC,
    PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language
    help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price: DM 69,00.  ISBN
    3-88229-006-4.  Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7,
    D-30625 Hannover.  Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29.

  And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie.,
    Versailles (1993), 406 pages.  Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit
    for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette.  Adaption
    francaise: Jean Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.  Heinz Schiefer & Cie.,
    45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles.  Tel. +33 39 53 95 26,
    Fax. +33 39 02 39 71.

  The French version is also available from Columbia University: $36.95.

  There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit:

    Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, "MS-Kermit Nyumon", Computer
    Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages.
    Publisher's address: Abe-toku Building, 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku,
    Tokyo 101, Japan.  Tel. +81-3-3256-1091.  Price 1,800 Yen + tax.
    ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E.

- Frank

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From: RLUHMAN@netins.net (Rick Luhman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Int 14 (Please, Please help us out)
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RLUHMAN@netins.net (Rick Luhman) wrote:

>We have obtained some software/hardware that will allow us to share a
>modem hooked to an X.25 protocol line.  Does anybody know how to tell
>kermit 3.14 to use the int14 protocol (Set port? Set host?).  Any help
>would be appreciated.

>Thanks in advance,
>Rick Luhman

Well, I think that I have answered part of my own question.  This
morning, I downloaded the latest Kermit 3.14 build, loaded that onto
my PC and at the kermit prompt I typed in Set Port Bios3.  This gave
me a connection in which I was presented a choice of connecting to the
console (the unit that has a connection to a supervisor PC, an
ethernet connection to the LAN, and a connection to our modem) or
connecting to the X.25 line.  I selected the X.25 line and pressed
enter.  This gave me a description of my current settings and told me
to press enter if these were OK.  However, pressing enter gave no
results.  Presumably what should have happened is that after pressing
enter I should have been able to type in the X.121 address of our host
and make a connection to the host.  Does anybody have any suggestions?




Rick Luhman


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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup??
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In article <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In other words, binary mode (= "No Presentation Layer")
>works for all files only when:
>
> (a) The two systems have the same text-file format (e.g. stream LF,
>     stream CRLF, stream CR), and then (usually) only when the files
>     are stream, rather than record oriented, and:
>
> (b) Character-set conversion is not required.
>
>Therefore, when conditions (a) and (b) are not met, one must pick text or
>binary mode for each file transfer in order to avoid corruption.  And that
>implies that, for convenience, one must also have a default mode to be
>used in the absence of a specific directive from the user.  The rub, of
>course, is that any given default will not fit every file transfer.

But, since kermits exchange some initialization information before
the transfer, it would be quite possible for them to know when
case (a) applies.  All you would have to to is assign a code for
each of the types of conversions that kermit does when going
from local to canonical text (probably 4 common ones...) and send
this as part of the initialization codes.  If the remote and local
codes are identical, skip the text transformations and do everything
in binary mode unless you have been told to do character-set conversion.
This would take care of the most common case these days where you
are transferring among like systems, and the fall-back for kermits
that don't send a code or send an unknown code would be to use the
current behaviour with a warning the BINARY/TEXT should be set explicitly.
How many calls do you get about this problem?  How many people give up
on kermit because their files end up corrupted?  It would also make
sense to give a warning when one end has binary mode set and the
other has text mode.

It's really too bad that no one has established a standard for binary
storage of text so it could be labeled by the originating system as
to the character set and line/record ending conventions so files
could be moved around without the transport having to do the conversions
(i.e. by network file services, diskettes, tape, etc.).  MIME comes
close and gets character sets right, but it doesn't really address the 
local storage conventions for text, so you still can't arbitrarily
move files around without twiddling at the transport layer. 

>  WHEREAS nobody, not even the most inexperienced user, transfers any type
>  of file except ZIP and GIF and JPEG any more, and...

Unfortunately, GIF and JPEG files are more portable than text these
days.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle)
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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
> I am running FreeBSD 2.0 with C-Kermit.  I am having trouble with
> running the zmodem and am trying to use the define command to use it
> like

> defile sz /usr/local/bin/sz %1 < /dev/cua00 > /dev/cua00 

Now there's your problem.  Once you've defiled the sz program, it's not 
gonna work until you've undone your wrongs.  Delete the old rz/sz, hose 
down the machine with industrial solvent (disconnect the power first, 
we practice safe computing around here), have the hardware blessed by 
Chuck (you never can be too careful), spend a day in meditation, 
contemplating the cruelty of defiling software, then attempt a fresh 
build of the zmodem software.

If that doesn't work, you may want to look at your command syntax.

-willie
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From: PYUEN@UVSG.COM (PETER YUEN)
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Subject: How to install kermit on HP-3000
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I need help on installing kermit on HP3000. I get a copy of HP3000 kermit 
from Columbia University in my PC. How do I installing it to HP and which
one is the prog? Can this kermit allow the HP to dail a modem through a 
modem port and connect to a remote PC and do file transfer from the HP to 
the PC.

Peter


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From: uctljcw@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Jevon C White)
Subject: Problems with a Kermit script
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Hello,

I seem to be having problems with a Kermit script and wondered if anybody out
there could help me.  I am using tcp/ip access to reach to telnet.ja.net.  My
problem comes on exiting.  I would like the script to do error checking but I
can't seem to get it to look for the right stuff so that it quits properly.
Could anybody willing to spend a little time to help please e-mail directly so
that I do not waste everybody else's bandwidth sending a copy of the script to
the newsgroup?  AdvTHANKSance.

Jevon White
Computing Support Officer
Faculty of Laws, U.C.L.
E-Mail:  j.white@ucl.ac.uk

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Red Barchetta (paradox@pegasus.rutgers.edu) wrote:
>The problem I'm having is that, after typing "connect" to make contact with
>my modem (a Hayes Accura 14400 external fax modem), I get a blank screen.   The
...
>blank.  I can issues commands to the modem (it will dial and even make contact
>with remote systems) but I cannot see them!  Does anyone here know what the

It sounds like the computer is not receiving any data from the modem,
which may be because the irq isn't working, or perhaps the data just
isn't getting from the modem to the serial port (if external a cable
may be bad, internal then it is bad).

Does the modem work properly with other software?
Double check that the irq is set properly for the modem/serial port.
Double check that the irq doesn't conflict with anything else.

sdb
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From: 9531reic@ucsbvm.ucsb.edu (Julianne Reich)
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Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 columns.
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In article <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca>,
claude@nickel.laurentian.ca wrote:





128. Does






Yes I have had this problem on the macintosh how do set it to 132 char?


Julianne Reich
9531reic@ucsbvm.ucsb.edu.

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From: cswu@unlv.edu (Changshi  Wu)
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Subject: HELP:auto download file using KERMIT
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hi, all.  i am new to use c-kermit, could somebody here tell me how to
write a simple script to dial up a remote machine, login and get a
file and logout?  since our project need to transfer the same file
every 15 minutes, that is why i need a script to do that.  we need to
get this thing done a.s.a.p, and the c-kermit manual hasn't arrived
yet :<.  thanks ahead for your help.


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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: There is not enough information here to supply an answer... 
: - Frank

Thanks for your help, but that is all the information I have.
Ckermit compiles fine, starts up fine, but file transfers simply
hang.  No error messages, no anything at all.  set parity space
doesn't seem to have any affect.

FWIW, this system has an old version of kermit that does work.
The version information for this old versions is 5A(179) BETA
for AT&T System V/386 R4.

I'll keep poking around, again thanks.

-- Carlos

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From: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com  (Daniel Huber)
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So, filtered out the flaming about several protocols and how some
providers do use or not use them....

The answer to my original question about the best kermit (190) setup for 
downloading files from CIS is:

- Don't try it?
- You are out of luck.
- better not try it.

If kermit does not work well, could somebody give me a pointer to a datacom
program which would allow FAST downloads from my CIS account over the
Internet. 

It should run on a HP (HP-UX 9.x)

Thanks

Daniel


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From: paradox@pegasus.rutgers.edu (Red Barchetta)
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Subject: Problem with echo after connecting to modem
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I've tried asking everyone around here who has used Kermit this question, and
consulted two different manuals, and I still haven't been able to come up
with an answer.  Maybe someone here can help me out.

The problem I'm having is that, after typing "connect" to make contact with
my modem (a Hayes Accura 14400 external fax modem), I get a blank screen.   The
blue bar appears on the bottom, but the rest of the screen is blank.  The 
cursor just sits in the upper left hand corner of the screen.  If I type 
something, the send/receive lights flash on the modem, but the screen remains
blank.  I can issues commands to the modem (it will dial and even make contact
with remote systems) but I cannot see them!  Does anyone here know what the
problem could be?  This is the first time I have used any type of comm. 
software, but I followed the directions I was given.  I am probably just
missing something really stupid... Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks...

								Red

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In article <3vob7l$1ck@pegasus.rutgers.edu>,
Red Barchetta <paradox@pegasus.rutgers.edu> wrote:

: I've tried asking everyone around here who has used Kermit this question,
: and consulted two different manuals, and I still haven't been able to
: come up with an answer.  Maybe someone here can help me out.
: 
: The problem I'm having is that, after typing "connect" to make contact
: with my modem (a Hayes Accura 14400 external fax modem), I get a blank
: screen.  The blue bar appears on the bottom, but the rest of the screen
: is blank.
: 
So you are using MS-DOS Kermit?

Please read section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file.  "Can Talk But Not Listen
Syndrome".

- Frank

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From: pelletie@pcnet.com (enCycLoPedic)
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Subject: OS/2 Labeled File Transfer
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INTRO:  I am having a problem with labeled file transfer in OS/2.  (I
have read the material on VMS labeled transfer from the book and the
section Transferring OS/2 File with Attributes from the updates.)
 
WHAT I DID: transferred an entire directory tree from a FAT volume on one
OS/2 system over a LAN TCP/IP connection to a FAT volume on another OS/2
system.  SET FILE TYPE LABEL on both systems.  No change to defaults for
SET FILE LABEL.  I used CKermit 191 for OS/2, ftp'd yesterday from the
archives directory at Columbia.
 
WHAT I EXPECTED:  EAs would be transferred and would end up in an EA
DATA.SF file on the receiving end, the normal way OS/2 stores extended
attributes on a FAT volume.
 
WHAT I GOT: each transferred file has a KERMIT LABELED FILE header on it,
as if the files had been sent to a system that could not handle EAs.
 
QUESTIONS:  I am not sure if the problem is with my understanding of how
labeled transfer is supposed to work or in what I did.  I would
appreciate clarification.  Also, the VMS material makes reference to the
CKVCVT program to remove headers of this kind on VMS.  Does an
equivalent exist for OS/2?  It does not appear to be in the
distribution.
 
 
-- 
I said it in Hebrew--I said it in Dutch--	| Clifford L. Pelletier
I said it in Latin and Greek:			| pelletie@pcnet.com
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 Labeled File Transfer
Date: 5 Aug 1995 06:24:44 GMT
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In article <3vtaor$84n@pcnet1.pcnet.com>,
enCycLoPedic <pelletie@pcnet.com> wrote:
>INTRO:  I am having a problem with labeled file transfer in OS/2.  (I
>have read the material on VMS labeled transfer from the book and the
>section Transferring OS/2 File with Attributes from the updates.)
> 
>WHAT I DID: transferred an entire directory tree from a FAT volume on one
>OS/2 system over a LAN TCP/IP connection to a FAT volume on another OS/2
>system.  SET FILE TYPE LABEL on both systems.  No change to defaults for
>SET FILE LABEL.  I used CKermit 191 for OS/2, ftp'd yesterday from the
>archives directory at Columbia.

That is exactly what you are supposed to do, and what I just tested
using two machines connected via a serial connection.

>WHAT I EXPECTED:  EAs would be transferred and would end up in an EA
>DATA.SF file on the receiving end, the normal way OS/2 stores extended
>attributes on a FAT volume.

Correct.  This is what you should expect.

>WHAT I GOT: each transferred file has a KERMIT LABELED FILE header on it,
>as if the files had been sent to a system that could not handle EAs.

The receiver was definitely not in LABELED mode.  The receiver was probably
in BINARY mode.  This is how a LABELED file would be stored in that 
situation.

>QUESTIONS:  I am not sure if the problem is with my understanding of how
>labeled transfer is supposed to work or in what I did.  I would
>appreciate clarification.  Also, the VMS material makes reference to the
>CKVCVT program to remove headers of this kind on VMS.  Does an
>equivalent exist for OS/2?  It does not appear to be in the
>distribution.

Do us both a favor and try a simple test.  Perform the file transfer again
this time transfering a single file and let me know what happens.

Again, I just tested this by sending about a dozen files with EAs from
one HPFS system to a FAT system with no problems.  

As far as a CKOCVT program goes, no there isn't one.  However, on a single 
machine you can use two C-Kermits connected via NAmed Pipes to perform
the translation for you.


See the CKERMIT.INF file for more info on LABELED mode and Named Pipes.
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): 
   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip 
   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

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From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup??
Organization: Omen Technology INC
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:06:42 GMT
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In article <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com>,
Joseph Huber <jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com> wrote:
> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>>	Chuck: it's about time you stopped slamming people in public.
>>It's disgusting, wastes bandwidth. Your posts continue to be destructive. 
>
>AMEN!!!
>
>Chuck's posts wreak of blatant self-promotion.  He's apparently afraid
>that the kermit protocol is going to cut into his profits, so he sees
>the need to attack kermit at every opportunity. It's sickening...

I don't attack Kermit at every opportunity.  But I do respond in
self defense to incorrect attacks on ZMODEM.  As long as
Columbia University et al insist on attacking ZMODEM, either
directly or by referring readers to their alleged "True-Life
Benchmarks" article I shall continue to provide a second opinion
and demand a fair, supervised, public rerun of Columbia's tests.

Please refer to knews*.zip at ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem for details.

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: langlois@alex.ecs.umass.edu (Philip M. Langlois)
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Subject: OUTPUT and numbers
Date: 3 Aug 1995 13:13:03 GMT
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    I'm writing a dialing script, and cannot seem to OUTPUT a 
number (as opposed to text) when the terminal server needs
it. Is there a backslash character for this?

--
Phil
___________________________________________________________
Philip M. Langlois           (langlois@alex.ecs.umass.edu)
Research Engineer     

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Red Barchetta (paradox@pegasus.rutgers.edu) wrote:
: I've tried asking everyone around here who has used Kermit this question, and
: consulted two different manuals, and I still haven't been able to come up
: with an answer.  Maybe someone here can help me out.

: The problem I'm having is that, after typing "connect" to make contact with
: my modem (a Hayes Accura 14400 external fax modem), I get a blank screen.   The
: blue bar appears on the bottom, but the rest of the screen is blank.  The 
: cursor just sits in the upper left hand corner of the screen.  If I type 
: something, the send/receive lights flash on the modem, but the screen remains
: blank.  I can issues commands to the modem (it will dial and even make contact
: with remote systems) but I cannot see them!  Does anyone here know what the
: problem could be?  This is the first time I have used any type of comm. 
: software, but I followed the directions I was given.  I am probably just
: missing something really stupid... Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Have you issued:
ATE0 - echo commands on
ATQ0 - enable result codes
ATV1 - Display results as words

Then issued AT&W to write that out to non-volatile memory?
--
johnP
                                 John  Pezzano, HP NAET
				 Email: johnp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com


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In article <3vmh57$6ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <DCnFFL.4q3@omen.com>, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX <caf@omen.com> wrote:
>>In article <bhuberDCLE75.9p@netcom.com>, Bud Huber <bhuber@netcom.com> wrote:
>>>Dear Chuck,
>>[snip snip]
>>
>>Dear Bud,
>>
>>Your observations about discussing the merits of ZMODEM and Kermit
>>are duly noted.  When Frank da Cruz at al. cease to unjustly and
>>incorrectly attack ZMODEM, directly or by reference, it will no
>>longer be necessary for me and others to respond.
>>
>This is a vicious circle, and it's an enormous waste of time for both
>Chuck and me.  I could rephrase the above sentence, switching names
>around, and it applies equally to Kermit.  Perhaps the real question is
>"what constitutes an attack"?
>
>Chuck and some other people believe the Kermit News article from 1993 to
>be an unfair attack because it didn't compare Kermit with some things they
>thought it should have compared it with.  We could go on and on about this
>forever (and it feels as if we have :-), but at bottom the article was
>published to counter "unjust and incorrect attacks" against Kermit over
>the years that had the cumulative effect of making everybody believe it
>was intrinsically slow.  I think the article achieved its purpose, and I
>do not believe this was done at Chuck's or Omen Technology's expense.  If
>it was done at anybody's expense, it was the companies that make the
>software with which Kermit was compared.  The article is very explicit
>about this.

Yes, the article achieved its intended purpose, to increase the
movement of Columbia University's Kermit product at the expense
of ZMODEM solutions.

When I first complained to Mr. da Cruz about the Kermit News
hit piece on ZMODEM, I only raised the issue of fairness.  The
article made sweeping generalizations about Kermit and ZMODEM by
comparing the latest and greatest Kermit with inferior third
party ZMODEM implementations.

As discussion on these points heated up, technical flaws in the
"True-Life Benchmarks" became apparent.  The "True-Life
Benchmarks" were disproven in the public Protocol Shootout.
Since then I have repeatedly challenged Frank to allow a fair,
public repeat of the so-called "True-Life Benchmarks".

>
>In any case, it's been two years.  Let's bury the hatchet.  I think we can

If Frank agrees to remove the discredited "True-Life Benchmarks"
from Columbia's FTP site, or agrees to a fair public rerun of
those benchmarks, we can bury the hatchet.

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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Hello,

	 There is a text which shows the login title in our school.

         **************************************************************
         *                                                            *
         *        Welcome to TANET dialup service at Hsin-Chu         *
         *                                                            *
         **************************************************************



                   0:   Telnet 
                   1:   alumni   (140.126.237.200) 
                   2:   educator (140.126.237.201) 
                   3:   csiebbs  (140.113.17.154) 
                   4:   cisbbs   (140.113.23.3) 
                   5:   eebbs    (140.113.218.1) 
                   6:   PPP 
                   7:   SLIP 
                   8:   Exit 



                   Enter your choice:

If I enter '7', I got the following two lines.

Switching to SLIP.
Annex address is 140.126.237.3.  Your address is 140.126.237.109.

The addresses are dynamical assigned. How can I get the addresses by using
kermit script ?

Thanks in advance.

--Jou


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From: pelletie@pcnet.com (enCycLoPedic)
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Subject: Re: OS/2 Labeled File Transfer
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In article <3vv2rc$bqj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:

>Do us both a favor and try a simple test.  Perform the file transfer again
>this time transfering a single file and let me know what happens.

OK.  I did as you suggested.  I tried sending a single file and got a
failure.  Below I include screen dumps of each copy of CKermit, post
transfer, showing that both were in Labeled mode. I also include the
original file and the human readable parts of what arrived at the other
end. 
 
The original problem occurred at work on a TCP/IP LAN connection between
FAT file systems on two machines, one running Warp Connect, the other
running Warp with WINOS2.  I was able to recreate the problem at home on
a single machine using a Named Pipe connection on HPFS.  So the problem
is not unique to machine, connection type, or file system.
 
Dump of sender screen:
C-Kermit 5A(191), 24 Apr 95
 
   Current Directory: K:\CKERMIT
        Network Host: \\.\pipe\kermit
        Network Type: Named Pipes
              Parity: none
 
             Sending: ckermit.cmd => CKERMIT.CMD => ckermit.cmd
           File Type: LABELED
           File Size: 455
        Percent Done: 100 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????
                          ...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100
        Elapsed Time: 00:00:01
  Transfer Rate, CPS: 1123
        Window Slots: 1 of 4
         Packet Type: B
        Packet Count: 5
       Packet Length: 8
         Error Count: 0
          Last Error:
        Last Message: Files: 1, Total Bytes: 1123
 
Dump of receiver screen:
C-Kermit 5A(191), 24 Apr 95
 
   Current Directory: K:\labeltest
        Network Host: \pipe\kermit
        Network Type: Named Pipes
              Parity: none
 
           Receiving: CKERMIT.CMD => ckermit.cmd
           File Type: LABELED
           File Size: 455
        Percent Done: 100 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????
                          ...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100
 Estimated Time Left:
  Transfer Rate, CPS: 0
        Window Slots: 1 of 4
         Packet Type: B
        Packet Count: 6
       Packet Length: 8
         Error Count: 0
          Last Error:
        Last Message: Transfer OK
 
File sent:
 
/* Sample OS/2 C-Kermit startup file - Doublequotes are for REXX */
"@echo off"                        /* Don't echo these commands */
"echo Executing CKERMIT.CMD..."    /* Inform user */
"chcp 850"                         /* Use Code Page 850 */
"mode co80,33"                   /* Screen size 80 by 33 lines */
/*"MODE com1,38400,n,8,1,rts=hs,idsr=off,octs=off,odsr=off,dtr=off,to=off"*/
"ckermit.exe" arg(1)               /* Start C-Kermit, pass all arguments */
 
File received (run through "strings" program to extract only printable
ASCII strings).  I can uuencode the binary version, if needed. 
 
KERMIT LABELED FILE:02UO04VERS01520.3005KVERS020650119108FILENAME0211ckermit.cmd
04ATTR04
09EABUFSIZE035600
.TYPE
OS/2 Command File
REXX.METACONTROL
OS/2     REXXSAA 4.00 08 Jul 1992
REXX.LITERALPOOL
.@echo offecho Executing CKERMIT.CMD...chcp 850mode co80,33ckermit.exearg1BH
REXX.VARIABLEBU
 
 


-- 
I said it in Hebrew--I said it in Dutch--	| Clifford L. Pelletier
I said it in Latin and Greek:			| pelletie@pcnet.com
But I wholly forgot (and it vexes me much)	| 
that English is what you speak!	   --L. Carroll	|	

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Jim Scott (scott048@gold.tc.umn.edu) wrote:

: I just got the latest version of Kermit from the ftp site and I can't get 
: long-packet transfers to work.  Needless to say, this is very 
: aggravating for me.  I've read the .bwr file, but I can't get any of the 
: suggestions there to work.  Please help!

: Thanks for your response,

: Jim

Just in case nobody else told you ...

You also have to pay attention to *how* you're gettin in to the box. We 
have a unix box here at temple (several, actually :), but the only way to 
get in from the outiside is through a cisco router, and this particular 
router limits the packet size for some dumb reason so we're stuck with 
small packet length...

John

--
Just in case you mistake me for someone official, having an official opinion: 
I'm not, and I don't.

---           ---            ---               ---
Ten years ago, kids would pick up the phone, dial a random number, yell
"poo poo" to whoever answered, hang up quick and laugh their little butts
off.

Now, they have computers.

Vinnie


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In article <3vnvn2$dbn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>It sounds to me like you need to read the script programming chapter of
>the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit".  
...
>
>The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14, the manual is:
>
>  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press /
>  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3.
>  Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and
>  compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.
...

>  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
>  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:
...
>    +44 1933 414000   (Rushden, England distribution centre for

Frank,

Sorry to disappoint you, but I have been trying to order the book from
Butterworth-Heinnemann for the past 2 months.  All I get back for that
edition of the book is "Out of Print".  They offer the 1st ed. as an
alternative, summat wot I already got.

Do you want a cheques with orders, US dollars, or can you invoice to the UK?

Cheers, Bertil.
-- 
Bertil Schou, Computing Services, Loughborough University of Technology,
Loughborough, Leicestershire, LE11 3TU, GB.  +44 1509 222-313.
    "What instrument of the devil created the jet skis?  May his toenails
      grow inward" (Sailing into the Sunset - Bill and Laurel Cooper)

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In article <DCsIw8.Iyw@lut.ac.uk> O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk (Bertil Schou) writes:
...
>
>Do you want a cheques with orders, US dollars, or can you invoice to the UK?
>

Erm, ektuelly, Frank said in his previous posting that its CWO....

Bertil.  Bernard sometimes, when I drop my head elsewhere.
-- 
Bertil Schou, Computing Services, Loughborough University of Technology,
Loughborough, Leicestershire, LE11 3TU, GB.  +44 1509 222-313.
    "What instrument of the devil created the jet skis?  May his toenails
      grow inward" (Sailing into the Sunset - Bill and Laurel Cooper)

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From: ssrossi@ucsd.edu (S. S. Rossi)
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Subject: Kermit/UUencoding corruption
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Summary: UUencode Mac files corrupt after Kermit transfer to VAX server
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Can anyone tell me whether running a more recent ver. of C-Kermit on a VAX 
will eliminate corruption of uuencoded files that are transferred via Kermit 
from Mac clients ? C-Kermit, 4E (072) is presently on the VAX server. The 
VAX is running VMS 5.0. Only Mac uuencoded files show corruption - DOS/Windows 
uuencoded and "Kermitted" files do not ? ? ? Two different Mac communication 
programs (containing Kermit) result in the same corruption: Mac 320 and 
VersaTerm Pro. The corruption consists of  truncation every 7-th line 
- where full justification is required; indicating a buffer or packet size 
limit when receiving from Mac-Kermits ? Thanks, any and all !

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From: jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw (Wei-Jou Chen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: HELP: dynamicaly assigned address
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Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
: In article <3vvuv0$mh7@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw>, jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw (Wei-Jou Chen) writes:
: > Hello,
: > 
: > Switching to SLIP.
: > Annex address is 140.126.237.3.  Your address is 140.126.237.109.
: > 
: > The addresses are dynamical assigned. How can I get the addresses by using
: > kermit script ?
: -------------
: 	You should write a Kermit script which uses the INPUT command to
: look for the string of interest (say Your address is) and then manipulate
: the \v(input) line (should have the whole line above). String commands
 	No, v\(input) is not whole line, if I use 'input 10 Your address
is'. \v(line) is 'Annex address is 140.126.237.3.  Your address is'
	Well, I solve this problem by using 'input 10 ., input 10., input
10., input 10.' Thanks.

: command. These items are discussed in the user's manual, the book 
: "Using MS-DOS Kermit."
: 	The next MSK release will have a specific screen scraper command
: to locate IP address numbers.
	I am using C-Kermit 5A(190) on FreeBSD. Is it a new version ?
	Thanks.

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From: acoustic@netcom.com (Yee On Lo)
Subject: making kermit run silently
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Is there some variable i can set or some other way to configure
kermit so that it makes no sound (i.e., doesn't beep)?

Basically what i want to do is have completely silent operation,
so that kermit does not beep when i make a connection, and any
beeps the remote system sends my way are intercepted and thrown out
before they reach my hardware.  (Thus i don't want to hear any
beep when a file transfer is complete, when i make an error in
a remote program, when there's any trouble with the line, or
under any other circumstances whatsoever.)

I'd appreciate any info anyone can offer.

My version of kermit is:
   IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.13 8 July 1993 patch level 17

yeeOn
acoustic@netcom.com




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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: HELP: dynamicaly assigned address
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In article <3vvuv0$mh7@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw>, jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw (Wei-Jou Chen) writes:
> Hello,
> 
> 	 There is a text which shows the login title in our school.
> 
>          **************************************************************
>          *                                                            *
>          *        Welcome to TANET dialup service at Hsin-Chu         *
>          *                                                            *
>          **************************************************************
> 
> 
> 
>                    0:   Telnet 
>                    1:   alumni   (140.126.237.200) 
>                    2:   educator (140.126.237.201) 
>                    3:   csiebbs  (140.113.17.154) 
>                    4:   cisbbs   (140.113.23.3) 
>                    5:   eebbs    (140.113.218.1) 
>                    6:   PPP 
>                    7:   SLIP 
>                    8:   Exit 
> 
> 
> 
>                    Enter your choice:
> 
> If I enter '7', I got the following two lines.
> 
> Switching to SLIP.
> Annex address is 140.126.237.3.  Your address is 140.126.237.109.
> 
> The addresses are dynamical assigned. How can I get the addresses by using
> kermit script ?
-------------
	You should write a Kermit script which uses the INPUT command to
look for the string of interest (say Your address is) and then manipulate
the \v(input) line (should have the whole line above). String commands
can then strip the unwanted parts. Put the result into the SET TCP ADDRESS
command. These items are discussed in the user's manual, the book 
"Using MS-DOS Kermit."
	The next MSK release will have a specific screen scraper command
to locate IP address numbers.
        Joe D.

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From: jfw@technix.mn.org (Jerry Wallace)
Subject: Re: personal note to Chuck Forsberg [was Re: Kermit download...]
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Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX <caf@omen.com> wrote:

> [ ... snip ... ]
>
>If Frank agrees to remove the discredited "True-Life Benchmarks"
>from Columbia's FTP site, or agrees to a fair public rerun of
>those benchmarks, we can bury the hatchet.

Nevertheless, you are losing business because of your attitude in
this group.  Your constant snippy remarks have alienated me from
using and recommending your products.  This is unfortunate because
you may very well have a superior gadget, but I have a bad taste
in my mouth about your way of dealing with the competition.  Mind
you, I don't feel that kermit is the best protocol/term emulator
out there, it has strengths and limitations that I recognize and
use kermit where it is better suited than anything else and other
products if it is not.  Chuck, understand that Omen Technologies
products are not on the short list I present to my customers.
Lighten up your attitude and that will change.

The reports from both sides have been published, both are known to
the free world.  Leave this _kermit_ group alone, Chuck.  I read it
for _kermit_ information, not _zmodem_.  Create a _zmodem_ group
and carry on your quest for justice (and sales) there.  If you want
to post *relevant* (I don't consider constant chatter about the perf
benchmarks to be relevant any longer - relative to the industry they
are both too old to be of any use) technical information in this
_kermit_ group, go ahead but get the kermit bashing away from here.
-- 
Jerry Wallace                    jfw@technix.mn.org

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From: scott048@gold.tc.umn.edu (Jim Scott)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Packet length and file transfers
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I've finally managed to get kermit to transfer files reliably and have 
moved on to the next stage -- improving transfer performance.  I download 
lots of .zip files and have played with buffer sizes, packet lengths and 
window slots.

I've got my window slots set to 31, CTS flow control, 57600 speed with a 
14.4 modem using compression and error correction.  My control prefixing 
is limited to three characters.

I average about 1,550 file characters/second when I use packet lengths 
beteween 200-300 characters.  When I increase that to 1000+, my transfer 
rates fall to 1,200 characters/second or worse.  Should I be happy with 
my 1.5, or is there a way to improve this even more using longer-packets?

-- 

Jim Scott

"I had taught myself that a human being might as well look for diamond 
tiaras in the gutter as for rewards and punishments that were fair."

Kurt Vonnegut, from "Mother Night."

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From: jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: HELP: xferring(displaying) 8bit char.set thru kermit
Date: 7 Aug 1995 02:06:15 GMT
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subject says it all..
i'm trying to display 8bit char.set thru c-kermit.
what do i need to set for proper display?

- jae


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Packet length and file transfers
Date: 7 Aug 1995 12:52:35 GMT
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In article <3vrtpa$p0r@gold.tc.umn.edu>,
Jim Scott <scott048@gold.tc.umn.edu> wrote:
: I've finally managed to get kermit to transfer files reliably and have 
: moved on to the next stage -- improving transfer performance.  I download 
: lots of .zip files and have played with buffer sizes, packet lengths and 
: window slots.
: 
: I've got my window slots set to 31, CTS flow control, 57600 speed with a 
: 14.4 modem using compression and error correction.  My control prefixing 
: is limited to three characters.
: 
: I average about 1,550 file characters/second when I use packet lengths 
: beteween 200-300 characters.  When I increase that to 1000+, my transfer 
: rates fall to 1,200 characters/second or worse.  Should I be happy with 
: my 1.5, or is there a way to improve this even more using longer-packets?
: 
When transferring precompressed files, you might be able to squeeze out
a few more percent by turning off Kermit's compression ("set repeat counts
off").  Turning off the modem's compression is usually not worth it.

Then you can experiment to find the optimal combination of window size and
packet length.  Every connection has its own, and the curves are not
necessarily predictable.

However, for transferring ZIP files on a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection,
you aren't going to get much better than 1600 cps no matter what you do,
so you'll have to decide if the experimentation is worth it -- the gain
would be about 4 percent.

Also be aware of other limiting factors, such as terminal server capacity,
buffer size, and speed.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit/UUencoding corruption
Date: 7 Aug 1995 12:55:36 GMT
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In article <ssrossi.3.05BEEDA5@ucsd.edu>, S. S. Rossi <ssrossi@ucsd.edu> wrote:

: Can anyone tell me whether running a more recent ver. of C-Kermit on a VAX
: will eliminate corruption of uuencoded files that are transferred via Kermit
: from Mac clients ? C-Kermit, 4E (072) is presently on the VAX server. The
: VAX is running VMS 5.0. Only Mac uuencoded files show corruption -
: DOS/Windows uuencoded and "Kermitted" files do not ? ? ? Two different Mac
: communication programs (containing Kermit) result in the same corruption:
: Mac 320 and VersaTerm Pro. The corruption consists of truncation every 7-th
: line - where full justification is required; indicating a buffer or packet
: size limit when receiving from Mac-Kermits?
:
Your Mac software is a little too smart for its own good.  Uuencode format
has the unfortunate property that records can include trailing blanks.
Evidently your software thinks it is doing you a favor by stripping them.

Real Kermit software does not do this.  Whatever its other faults, Mac Kermit
will leave trailing blanks alone.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: HELP: xferring(displaying) 8bit char.set thru kermit
Date: 7 Aug 1995 13:01:23 GMT
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In article <403sen$d9q@news.ccit.arizona.edu>,
Jae H Shin <jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu> wrote:
>subject says it all..
>i'm trying to display 8bit char.set thru c-kermit.
>what do i need to set for proper display?
>
SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8
SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8
SET PARITY NONE

- Frank

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Subject: "Our" IP address
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I am running MSKermit 3.14 over Novell IPXODI to a couple of UNIX boxes,
using the builtin TCP/IP.
I have one of the UNIX boxes set up as a bootp server, with the hardware
addresses of each PC interface identified.

All was well last week...
Today, I cannot make a TCP connection from any of the previously working
PCs.  If I try, I get a message saying "Our IP address is in use by some
other station".  I look at show net, and the proper address has been plugged
in by the bootp server, so some net com is working.
I manually "set tcp addr 89.0.0.222", which is how I attach a PC initially,
before I plug it into bootp, and I get the same message.

Caveat:
I recently attached a remote bridge, which doesn't work, either ;-(
As soon as the remote dialup to the bridge occurs, the Netware console
starts complaining "LAN loopback error detected
Driver for network 00000001 received its own send packet"


Is kermit seeing an echo on initial attempt to use the address I've
assigned?  I have a "Using C-Kermit" book, but I never have problems with
the UNIX side.  I should have purchased the MSKermit book instead.
Should I retrieve MSDOS source code to look for messages like this?

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: "Our" IP address
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In article <405n1o$n6k@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net> writes:
> I am running MSKermit 3.14 over Novell IPXODI to a couple of UNIX boxes,
> using the builtin TCP/IP.
> I have one of the UNIX boxes set up as a bootp server, with the hardware
> addresses of each PC interface identified.
> 
> All was well last week...
> Today, I cannot make a TCP connection from any of the previously working
> PCs.  If I try, I get a message saying "Our IP address is in use by some
> other station".  I look at show net, and the proper address has been plugged
> in by the bootp server, so some net com is working.
> I manually "set tcp addr 89.0.0.222", which is how I attach a PC initially,
> before I plug it into bootp, and I get the same message.
> 
> Caveat:
> I recently attached a remote bridge, which doesn't work, either ;-(
> As soon as the remote dialup to the bridge occurs, the Netware console
> starts complaining "LAN loopback error detected
> Driver for network 00000001 received its own send packet"

	That will be fatal for the ARP masquerade-test too. That remote
link is in bad shape. 
> 
> Is kermit seeing an echo on initial attempt to use the address I've
> assigned?  I have a "Using C-Kermit" book, but I never have problems with

	Affirmative.

> the UNIX side.  I should have purchased the MSKermit book instead.
> Should I retrieve MSDOS source code to look for messages like this?

	If you like, but that's not going to solve problems occurring
on the wire and in remote boxes. A better tool is a wire monitor.
To save you reading the code here is the essential piece:
	if (imposter == 0 && arp_resolve(my_ip_addr, NULL))/* imposter check */
		{
		outs("\r\n WARNING: our IP address is used by");
		outs(" another station! Quitting.");
		return(0);			/* fail back to user */
		}
	imposter++;				/* say have done the check */

	Joe D.

> -- 
> ---
> Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
>                 - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: creider@taptet.sscl.uwo.ca (Chet Creider)
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Subject: kermit + Xenix + 14,400 modem problem
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Cc: 

This problem probably requires some knowledge of both kermit and Xenix
to solve: I've used a 2400 baud modem for years with Xenix (now 2.3.4g) to
dial up from home to a Sun in my lab.  As I have to go through an additional
level of logging in to get onto the network my machine is on, I use a script.
I'm trying out a Practical Peripherals 14,400 V.32bis modem now and find that
my script is won't work.  Worse than that, although I can send a single modem
command to the modem from kermit (such as +++ or ATZ), there is no reply "OK".
Despite this, I can use the kermit's dial command to dial the network and
then reach my own machine by hand.  Downloads and uploads work fine.  I've
tried setting the speed to 2400 and 9600 without changing this behaviour.
Strangely, the script works perfectly well under MSDOS (same machine but
using MS-Kermit (3.11) instead of C-Kermit (5A(189)).

The only other thing I can think of that might be relevant is that rts/cts
flow control doesn't seem to be available on the C-Kermit.  I did try
the xenix command "stty ctsflow rtsflow", but that didn't help.

Here is the .kermrc file:

set modem hayes
	set line /dev/tty2A
	;set speed 2400
	;set speed 9600
	set file type binary
	;set file names literal
	; M0 below turns the speaker off; S0 would set it to low
	set dial init-string ATM0Q0S2=43\{13}
	set send timeout 60
	set receive timeout 60
	;take getme2.ccs

Any suggestions will be much appreciated.  I have the C-Kermit book, but
little expertise in these matters.

Many thanks,

Chet Creider
<creider@csd.uwo.ca>

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Hello,

Is it possible to remap the function keys to something different? The problem
here is that my system (C-Kermit under VMS) doesn't send a single byte but
several bytes for one function key. E.g. F10 sends <ESC>[21~ . And now I would
like C-Kermit to transmit something different for F10. Is it possible? And
if so, how do I do it?

Regards,
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>  BE IT RESOLVED THAT future release of Kermit software will use binary
>  file-transfer mode by default.
>
>Is this the consensus of opinion among Kermit users?  If so, we'll make
>this change.  It's not hard -- all we have to do is change a "0" to a "1"
>and recompile :-)

Certainly the very first thing I *always* do with any new kermit setup
is stick a "set file type binary" command in my .kermrc file (or whatever
the equivalent startup file is). I don't think I have ever done a text
mode transfer (come to think of it, ftp has the same problem - does
anyone know why ftp doesn't default to binary mode?).
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From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER)
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	Since switching to the 21 May release of KERMIT.EXE with
patch level 9, I have been unable to telnet to remote hosts. The
error message: "Unable to ARP resolve gateway www.xxx.yyy.zzz."
	Details...
	My end: Kermit running over either CSLIPPER or EtherPPP,
using an old DOS box with 640K.
	Server: A Cisco running IOS (tm) 3000 Software, version
10.2(1). I don't know the model of the box itself.
	IP addresses: There are two servers, 131.252.129.2{5,6}.
The gateway is 131.252.129.10. Name resolution doesn't seem to be
a problem. The netmask used is 255.255.254.0.
	The problem does not occur with this Kermit release if I
connect to another server (entirely separate from the above) -- a
Netblazer running SLIP. Furthermore, the 18 January patch level 3
Kermit has _no_ problems with the Cisco boxes. (Happily that
version is still available at Columbia's FTP...)
	This is by no means an emergency, but I thought the
Kermit folks might want to know. If need to change my setup, or
if I should talk with the people running the Cisco boxes, I would
appreciate hearing about it. Thanks.
___________________________________________________________________
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP
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In article <406ud5$am0@harbour.awod.com>, chilton@awod.com (Carl Hilton) writes:
> I am having a heck of a time getting KERMIT to find my TCP/IP stack.
> 
> On one machine I have FTP's PCTCP v2.1 running on a NOVELL network.  The 
>ODIPKE and ETHDRV are loaded by the network startup batch file.
> 
> Now I want to run KERMIT.  If I just run Kermit I get an 'unable to connect
> find TCP/IP stack or ODI packets'.  I've tried loading the different 

 That's not a Kermit error message. Kermit error message
	"Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver."
results when it can't find a packet delivery mechanism. If another stack is
running then that will yield this message from Kermit; see below on this
case.

(Carl, your mailer creates infinite length lines which don't match 80 column 
equipment elsewhere; please press Enter before approaching the right edge, tnx.)

>ODIPKT.COM's that come with Kermit 3.14 but that does not help.  In the 
>NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC they talk about running through FTP's TNGLASS (tnglass 
><host> <port> -c0 -e KERMIT.EXE)  I've tried this and get dumped to the 
>KERMIT prompt.  Please help.
>
	The Kermit documentation clearly says one can't run two protocol
stacks of the same kind together over the same board. That's the underlying
principle here. FTP Inc's stack counts as one, Kermit's internal stack
counts as one too.
	MSK does run over TNGLASS. SET PORT BIOS<n> is the Kermit command
to use to find the Int 14h support provided by TNGLASS; don't use SET PORT
1 or COM1 because that tells Kermit to go to the serial port hardware. I
suspect there is a command in your setup to go to the hardware, and if so 
then Kermit.exe command line phrase "-f NUL" is the way to avoid loading 
mskermit.ini and other startup files. Reading the .ini files will reveal
if SET PORT x is present.
 
> On machine 2.  I am running WFW3.11 with MS's TCPIP stack for WFW.  I've 
>tried shelling out to DOS and running WINPKT and even running WINPKT before 
>I launch WFW but I keep getting the same error.

	MS' TCP/IP stack isn't for DOS programs.
 
> Can someone plesase help.

	What we do on my campus. Use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. Load
up ODIPKT + WINPKT before entering Windows. Use Kermit in a window of
Windows (that's Win 3.x and Win95). The one-stack-at-a-time rule still
applies.
        Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MSKermit over IP connection
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In article <4073r0$ijs@linda.teleport.com>, sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) writes:
> 	Since switching to the 21 May release of KERMIT.EXE with
> patch level 9, I have been unable to telnet to remote hosts. The
> error message: "Unable to ARP resolve gateway www.xxx.yyy.zzz."
> 	Details...
> 	My end: Kermit running over either CSLIPPER or EtherPPP,
> using an old DOS box with 640K.
> 	Server: A Cisco running IOS (tm) 3000 Software, version
> 10.2(1). I don't know the model of the box itself.
> 	IP addresses: There are two servers, 131.252.129.2{5,6}.
> The gateway is 131.252.129.10. Name resolution doesn't seem to be
> a problem. The netmask used is 255.255.254.0.
> 	The problem does not occur with this Kermit release if I
> connect to another server (entirely separate from the above) -- a
> Netblazer running SLIP. Furthermore, the 18 January patch level 3
> Kermit has _no_ problems with the Cisco boxes. (Happily that
> version is still available at Columbia's FTP...)
> 	This is by no means an emergency, but I thought the
> Kermit folks might want to know. If need to change my setup, or
> if I should talk with the people running the Cisco boxes, I would
> appreciate hearing about it. Thanks.
---------
	I'm not sure I follow all the details above, but let me take a
stab at matters.
	SLIP is a point to point transport mechanism with only two stations
on the wire: this end and "the other end". There is no ARP-ing involved
since ARP is a way of finding one of many stations on the same broadcast
medium (and a serial link isn't a broadcast medium). CSLIPPER is a SLIP
Packet Driver.
	Given a point to point architecture "the other end" is responsible
for transporting packets to far away places, and hence it is both a host
and the gateway. Figuring out what to do with packets not addressed to it
is a problem that other end has to deal with. I have no idea of how you
have the Cisco boxes configured. In any case, SLIP has no notion of routing, 
gateway, or ARP. Any routing which does occur is a pleasant side effect
of "the other end."

	EtherPPP is the MERIT item, I presume. Honestly, I have never been
able to get that program to work in any way; it always hangs my machine as
it starts up. Thus I have nothing useful to suggest for it.

	Adding to my confusion on your report is "name resolution doesn't
seem to be a problem." If the nameserver is far away, in the SLIP sense,
then that is no different than trying to reach another machine far away. 

        Joe D.

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From: chilton@awod.com (Carl Hilton)
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Subject: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP
Date: 8 Aug 1995 05:57:57 GMT
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I am having a heck of a time getting KERMIT to find my TCP/IP stack.

On one machine I have FTP's PCTCP v2.1 running on a NOVELL network.  The ODIPKE and ETHDRV are loaded by the network startup batch file.

Now I want to run KERMIT.  If I just run Kermit I get an 'unable to connect find TCP/IP stack or ODI packets'.  I've tried loading the different ODIPKT.COM's that come with Kermit 3.14 but that does not help.  In the NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC they talk about running through FTP's TNGLASS (tnglass <host> <port> -c0 -e KERMIT.EXE)  I've tried this and get dumped to the KERMIT prompt.  Please help.

On machine 2.  I am running WFW3.11 with MS's TCPIP stack for WFW.  I've tried shelling out to DOS and running WINPKT and even running WINPKT before I launch WFW but I keep getting the same error.

Can someone plesase help.

Thanks
Carl Hilton
chilton@awod.com

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From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 and EVE
Date: 8 Aug 1995 08:34:33 -0700
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Hello, all.

A coworker is trying to use MS-Kermit 3.14 (latest version) to 
communicate with our Vax/VMS mainframes from home via dial-up connection. 
The modem is connected to our systems thru a terminal server. I believe 
he is using Ms-Kermit as a VT-320 emulator.

The problem: he says that, when running EVE (sp), the text-editor, he 
gets all sorts of stray characters on his screen, rendering the system 
useless. Any ideas about the cause (asside from the possibility of a 
noisy telephone line)? Dunno whether he's done a "do vms" or not.

Thanks in advance.
-- 
Mike Freeman            |       Internet: mikef@pacifier.com
GEnie: M.FREEMAN11      |       Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ
/* PGP2.6.2 PUBLIC KEY available via finger or PGP key server */
... Intelligent software is an oxymoron.

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Clarence Dold (dold@rahul.net) wrote:

: Caveat:
: I recently attached a remote bridge, which doesn't work, either ;-(

Kermit is so annoying when it points out errors ;-)
The remote bridge was causing the unhappiness.  With the link down, kermit
runs fine, as before.

I have gotten quite used to using MSKermit as an RS232 debugging tool.  I
might have to expand that to networks, as well.

(The real problem is that the modems for the remote bridge will work dialing
via outside lines, but Centrex-extension-to-extension doesn't work; perhaps
too high a carrier level, or lack of some echo cancellation.)

---
Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.
-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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In article <3vsmvh$4v8@hpber004.swiss.hp.com>,
Daniel Huber <danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com> wrote:
>
>So, filtered out the flaming about several protocols and how some
>providers do use or not use them....
>
>The answer to my original question about the best kermit (190) setup for 
>downloading files from CIS is:
>
>- Don't try it?
>- You are out of luck.
>- better not try it.
>
>If kermit does not work well, could somebody give me a pointer to a datacom
>program which would allow FAST downloads from my CIS account over the
>Internet. 
>
>It should run on a HP (HP-UX 9.x)
>
>Thanks
>
>Daniel

Uh, i use kermit (MS) on CIS all the time.

The only lines of significance are "set receive packet 512" and
"set send packet 512" (i'm quoting from memory here).

I could probably up the packet size, those lines date from when
i was having a little line noise problem.

--
	-john

net address:	72330.501@compuserve.com
		jgamble@ripco.com

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <408069$q05@pacifier.com>, Mike Freeman <mikef@pacifier.com> wrote:
: A coworker is trying to use MS-Kermit 3.14 (latest version) to 
: communicate with our Vax/VMS mainframes from home via dial-up connection. 
: The modem is connected to our systems thru a terminal server. I believe 
: he is using Ms-Kermit as a VT-320 emulator.
: 
: The problem: he says that, when running EVE (sp), the text-editor, he 
: gets all sorts of stray characters on his screen, rendering the system 
: useless. Any ideas about the cause (asside from the possibility of a 
: noisy telephone line)? Dunno whether he's done a "do vms" or not.
: 
If he did not, that would explain it.  The VMS macro puts the terminal
emulator into 8-bit mode, which VMS expects if the terminal identifies
itself as VT220 or above.  The command is "set terminal bytesize 8".

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3vlgqu$chj@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>,
Christoph Gartmann <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de> wrote:
: 
: Is it possible to remap the function keys to something different? The
: problem here is that my system (C-Kermit under VMS) doesn't send a
: single byte but several bytes for one function key. E.g. F10 sends
: <ESC>[21~ . And now I would like C-Kermit to transmit something
: different for F10. Is it possible? And if so, how do I do it?
: 
From the Kermit FAQ (http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html):

24 HOW DO I USE 'SET KEY' WITH PC F-KEYS, ETC, IN UNIX OR VMS C-KERMIT?

C-Kermit comes in basically two varieties:

   - The version for OS/2 that had direct access to the keyboard and
     screen, and therefore can see keyboard scan codes and so on, and can
     do true terminal emulation.  Here you have comprehensive key mapping
     ability.

   - The versions for UNIX, VMS, and so on, that do not have direct access
     to the keyboard and screen, and rely on your console driver, terminal
     window, external terminal emulator (such as MS-DOS Kermit), or actual
     terminal to perform the terminal functions.

UNIX is an interesting case.  Traditionally, UNIX was accessed through a
terminal that was plugged into a terminal port on a timesharing system.
Thus, there is no keyboard and screen -- just a communication port.  In
recent years, this type of access has been largely replaced by terminal
servers, but there is still no keyboard and screen.  However, now that we
have a plethora of PC-based UNIX varieties that run on workstations (PCs)
that actually do have a keyboard and screen, it would seem to make sense
that Kermit should be able to see all the keys.

Unfortunately, this is not the case.  Most varieties of UNIX do not let
the application see the keyboard.  There is no kernel function called "get
keyboard scan code".  There is only read(), and read() reads a character,
not a multibyte scan code.  Thus, even if your console driver has
programmed (say) your F1 key to send (say) ESC O P, Kermit will read three
characters in succession, as if they were three keystrokes, not one.  It
has no way of knowing that you pressed the F1 key.  As far Kermit knows,
you pressed the Esc key, then the O key, then the P key.

Now perhaps Linux *does* have a system call to let an application at the
keyboard.  But...

   - In what contexts does it work?  Only on the raw console?  In an xterm
     window?  etc etc.

   - Does it require special privilege to execute?

   - What about all the other versions of UNIX that run on PCs -- FreeBSD,
     SCO, Solaris/Intel, etc etc?

   - What about all the other versions of UNIX that run on non-PC
     workstations -- SunOS, Solaris/Sparc, HP-UX, AIX, SGI, etc?

So the answer is, for now at least -- and as the documentation states --
C-Kermit's SET KEY command in UNIX (and VMS, AOS/VS, VOS, etc) works only
for keys that generate a single 8-bit value, 0..255.  Other types of
mappings will have to be accomplished outside of Kermit by configuring
your console driver, your xterm (e.g. with Xmodmap), and so on.

- Frank

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From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)
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In article <408069$q05@pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes:

>A coworker is trying to use MS-Kermit 3.14 (latest version) to 
>communicate with our Vax/VMS mainframes from home via dial-up connection. 
>The modem is connected to our systems thru a terminal server. I believe 
>he is using Ms-Kermit as a VT-320 emulator.
>
>The problem: he says that, when running EVE (sp), the text-editor, he 
>gets all sorts of stray characters on his screen, rendering the system 
>useless. Any ideas about the cause (asside from the possibility of a 
>noisy telephone line)? Dunno whether he's done a "do vms" or not.

Looks like a wrong terminal type, e.g. the VAX assumes it is a VT320 where
Kermit behaves as a VT100.

Regards,
   Christoph Gartmann

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From: BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan)
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   Ok, I was going to include the whole script ... then realized it's just
  about everything you need for a Q&D password stealing routine.  While it
  doesn't take too much of a brain to write a password trojan, I would much
  rather *not* go down in flames for posting one to Usenet.

   Thus, I'll post the offending bits (mind you, not the naughty bits) and
  hope someone can dredge up what is wrong:

	;
	output \13
	input 20 Username:
	if fail error {Unable to connect}
	output \%n\13
	input 20 Password:
	if fail error {Unable to connect}
	output \%p\13
	output \13
	input 5 Username:
	if failure goto gooduser 
	echo must have a bad password
	goto eof       ; got the username prompt, must be a bad password
	:gooduser
	echo \10\10made it to gooduser\10\10
	connect
	;    quit, return to login procedure.
	quit
	;

   On a Unix box, this bit will do what we want.  We pull in the username
  and password, check it against the "permitted users" list and pass it to
  the login routine via a telnet connection.  Good password - pass through 
  and the user is online.  Bad password - they get dumped.

   VMS (CKVVTGV.EXE 5A(190) 4 Oct 1994) unfortunately doesn't work this way
  exactly.  The routine passes the username & password, looks for anything
  to indicate that the password was bad (an extra return would force a new
  'Username:' prompt on the first login attempt) and *not finding it* would
  allow the user to login ... at which point C-Kermit blows up:

 %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=05, virtual address=63207427,
	PC=00066A0E, PSL=03C00000
 %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows
 module name     routine name                     line       rel PC    abs PC

 CKVCON          ckcgetc                          6053      000000C6  00066A0E
 CKVCON          conect                           6301      000005DA  0006708E
 CKUUS4          doconect                         8625      00000049  0006D24D
 CKUUSR          docmd                            7163      000003B2  00067F72
 CKUUS5          parser                           7013      0000066A  0004EDFA
 CKCMAI          main                             6657      00000302  0004D702

   Looks like it's not happy about not finding that it shouldn't let the
  user login (not enough negatives in that sentence, no??)

   Anyone run into this one yet?

   andrew.  (brennan@hal.hahnemann.edu)


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <409uom$apq@kelly.teleport.com>, sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) writes:
> 	I'll _try_ to recast this coherently... :-)
> 
> 	Joe D. wrote:
> 
> #	I'm not sure I follow all the details above, but let me take a
> #stab at matters.
> #	SLIP is a point to point transport mechanism with only two stations
> #on the wire: this end and "the other end". There is no ARP-ing involved
> #since ARP is a way of finding one of many stations on the same broadcast
> #medium (and a serial link isn't a broadcast medium). CSLIPPER is a SLIP
> #Packet Driver.
> 
> 	Right... I'm thinking of the connection as running
> something like this:
> 
> 	[My DOS app] -> [SLIP or PPP client] -> [Serial card] ->
> [My modem] -> [Telephone network] -> [Server's modem] ->
> [Server's port] -> [SLIP or PPP server] -> [Server's LAN] ->
> [LAN's TCP/IP gateway] -> Internet stuff...
> 
> #	Given a point to point architecture "the other end" is responsible
> #for transporting packets to far away places, and hence it is both a host
> #and the gateway. Figuring out what to do with packets not addressed to it
> #is a problem that other end has to deal with. I have no idea of how you
> #have the Cisco boxes configured. In any case, SLIP has no notion of routing, 
> 
> 	I don't know about the Ciscos' configurations either,
> although I can get some information from the server prompt using
> the 'show' command with various extensions. I have asked the
> support office here re the manuals... which they couldn't locate!
> 
> #gateway, or ARP. Any routing which does occur is a pleasant side effect
> #of "the other end."
> #
> 	I'm thinking that the server, attempting to link me to
> the Net, can't resolve the gateway's IP address into a valid
> Ethernet address, and sends some message to this effect back to
> the client. Since the client (DOS Kermit in this case) is
> attached to the server via SLIP/PPP, the message is passed over
> the link layer back to my SLIP/PPP driver, which complains to
> Kermit; the link layer has nothing to do with all this beyond
> hauling datagrams back and forth.
> 
> 	All this is based on my exceedingly limited knowledge of
> networking of course. I'm probably out to lunch on some of it.
> 
> #	EtherPPP is the MERIT item, I presume. Honestly, I have never been
> #able to get that program to work in any way; it always hangs my machine as
> #it starts up. Thus I have nothing useful to suggest for it.
> #
> 	Yup, configuring EtherPPP is a unique experience. It
> works great now that I've figured out the settings my machine
> likes. But that doesn't mean I've found a configuration which
> would work everywhere. To return to the topic, the ARP problem
> appears to occur independent of the driver (I have tried two
> EtherPPP releases as well as the {,C}Slipper drivers). With the
> earlier Kermit no problem. With the recent Kermit, the ARP error
> is returned.
> 
> #	Adding to my confusion on your report is "name resolution doesn't
> #seem to be a problem." If the nameserver is far away, in the SLIP sense,
> #then that is no different than trying to reach another machine far away. 
> #
> 	Right. An inadvertent red herring on my part...
> 
> 	I don't know if what I have added is helpful in
> diagnosing the problem. I would be more than happy to mail in
> session transcripts, config files &c. if this would help. I
> suppose I've used enough bandwidth on this question at any rate.
> 
> 	Thanks...
-------------
	I fired up CSLIPPER with no command line arguments so it behaved
as a straight SLIP Packet Driver. I ran MS-DOS Kermit over it to our modem
pool (Telebit Netblazers) and used both domain name servers and far away
machine addresses, all with no difficulty. I set the MSK TCP/IP IP address
from the text line the modem pool gave me upon starting SLIP there.
	I notice that CSLIPPER has an ARP/IP Ethernet faker option. Without 
knowing in detail what it does I would recommend not activating that faker 
with Kermit.
	From this I am tempted to conclude that the IP environment outside
of Kermit is causing the difficulties you note.
	Joe D.

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In article <DCwGu7.FC7@technix.mn.org>,
Jerry Wallace <jfw@technix.mn.org> wrote:
>Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX <caf@omen.com> wrote:
>
>> [ ... snip ... ]
>>
>>If Frank agrees to remove the discredited "True-Life Benchmarks"
>>from Columbia's FTP site, or agrees to a fair public rerun of
>>those benchmarks, we can bury the hatchet.
>
>Nevertheless, you are losing business because of your attitude in
>this group.  Your constant snippy remarks have alienated me from

I am sorry if my responses to the attacks on ZMODEM offend you.

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX    caf@omen.COM        http://www.omen.com
    Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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I'm looking for a specification of the Z-modem protocol.
If anyone has or knows of a text on Z-modom or any spec which details
the protocol could you please let me know. 

Thanks
Jeff Sinclair
MicroCell Systems



PS  since this is a company account could you place "Jeff" somewhere in
    the subject line of any direct replies. Thanks.




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I am using C-Kermit for OS/2 2.30, and have 2 questions.

1.  Is is possible to display the hexadecimal values of all incoming bytes?  The closest thing
I have found is SET TERMINAL DEBUG ON which at least displays something for each byte,
but I would rather see the values.

2.  Is it possible to configure Kermit to use 8 bits with odd parity?  Right now if I am set for
8 bits and try to change parity to odd, it automatically switches to 7 data bits.  

Thanks in advance,
Jordan Cookman






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In article <40b9vt$25q@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com>,
 <jccookma@koadh001.delcoelect.com> wrote:
>I am using C-Kermit for OS/2 2.30, and have 2 questions.
>
>1.  Is is possible to display the hexadecimal values of all incoming bytes?  The closest thing
>I have found is SET TERMINAL DEBUG ON which at least displays something for each byte,
>but I would rather see the values.

No.  You could LOG SESSION and then view the received data with a Hex viewer.


>2.  Is it possible to configure Kermit to use 8 bits with odd parity?  Right now if I am set for
>8 bits and try to change parity to odd, it automatically switches to 7 data bits.  

No again.  There are 8 bits in a BYTE.  Now if you use one of those bits 
for parity you have only 7 bits left for data.  Having 8 data bits and odd
parity would require 9 bits.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): 
   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip 
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From: blaikie@phys.ocean.dal.ca (Luke Blaikie)
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Don't know if the subject line is quite right, but here it goes.

My problem is I want to automate a login to a remote machine (that
doesn't have kermit).  After connecting to this machine I type 'LIST'
and it prints out data to the screen for about a minute.  Then I want
to simply hang up.  

Is it possible to capture (into a file) the information using a shell
script (UNIX machine) using kermit??  If not, any suggestions for a
simple solution??

--
	Luke Blaikie
	============
	blaikie@Phys.Ocean.dal.ca



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In article <408mms$e47@cmi.hahnemann.edu>, BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan) writes:

>	;
>	output \13
>	input 20 Username:
>	if fail error {Unable to connect}
>	output \%n\13
>	input 20 Password:
>	if fail error {Unable to connect}
>	output \%p\13
>	output \13
>	input 5 Username:
>	if failure goto gooduser 
>	echo must have a bad password
>	goto eof       ; got the username prompt, must be a bad password
>	:gooduser
>	echo \10\10made it to gooduser\10\10
>	connect
>	;    quit, return to login procedure.
>	quit
>	;
>
>   On a Unix box, this bit will do what we want.  We pull in the username
>  and password, check it against the "permitted users" list and pass it to
>  the login routine via a telnet connection.  Good password - pass through 
>  and the user is online.  Bad password - they get dumped.
>
>   VMS (CKVVTGV.EXE 5A(190) 4 Oct 1994) unfortunately doesn't work this way
>  exactly.  The routine passes the username & password, looks for anything
>  to indicate that the password was bad (an extra return would force a new
>  'Username:' prompt on the first login attempt) and *not finding it* would
>  allow the user to login ... at which point C-Kermit blows up:
>
> %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=05, virtual address=63207427,
>	PC=00066A0E, PSL=03C00000
> %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows
> module name     routine name                     line       rel PC    abs PC
>
> CKVCON          ckcgetc                          6053      000000C6  00066A0E
> CKVCON          conect                           6301      000005DA  0006708E
> CKUUS4          doconect                         8625      00000049  0006D24D
> CKUUSR          docmd                            7163      000003B2  00067F72
> CKUUS5          parser                           7013      0000066A  0004EDFA
> CKCMAI          main                             6657      00000302  0004D702
>
>   Looks like it's not happy about not finding that it shouldn't let the
>  user login (not enough negatives in that sentence, no??)
>
>   Anyone run into this one yet?

I experienced similar problems under the following circumstances:
 C-Kermit waits for some input to occur, the input arrives, it is recognized
 and C-Kermit outputs some bytes but just at this time there are still some
 bytes arriving (a single byte is enough) => stack dump.
This may well be the case in your script. After a successfull login your
script issues a second CR and at the same time some intro text from the
VMS-machine is arriving => crash. To check for a successfull login try to
wait for something like "User authorization failure" and issue the CR only
if this string doesn't arrive.

Regards,
   Christoph Gartmann

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I'm trying to use MS-DOS Kermit to make telnet connections
from Microsoft Windows for Workgroups 3.11.  I have examined
the MSKWFW.DOC file and found that our situation seems to be
covered by text #3, situation 3: WFW uses NDIS version 3 handler
and its own TCP/IP stack.  The text states:
    
    An alternative for those owning the Microsoft TCP/IP 
    protocol stack is to run Kermit over that stack.  The
    Kermit command to do this is SET PORT 3COM(BAPI), and
    that talks to WFW protected-mode agent VBAPI.386.  
    Host selection occurs while talking to the BAPI handler
    itself.  Shims are not needed in this case.
   
This seems like an ideal solution, but I'm unable to find the
VBAPI.386 handler in Microsoft's WFWT32.EXE archive.  It does
exist in the older WFWTCP.EXE archive, but that version does
not support the 32-bit protected mode tcp stack that we want
to run.  The notes with the WFWT32 archive indicate that it 
is a complete refresh of WFWTCP.  Did Microsoft drop support
of BAPI?

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: non-interactive screen capture
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In article <DD25vA.tr@cs.dal.ca>,
Luke Blaikie <blaikie@phys.ocean.dal.ca> wrote:
>My problem is I want to automate a login to a remote machine (that
>doesn't have kermit).  After connecting to this machine I type 'LIST'
>and it prints out data to the screen for about a minute.  Then I want
>to simply hang up.  
>
>Is it possible to capture (into a file) the information using a shell
>script (UNIX machine) using kermit??  If not, any suggestions for a
>simple solution??
>
Here is a simple solution that might work:

 1. Write the script that logs in and gets to the system prompt.

 2. OUTPUT LIST blah     ; where blah is the filename

 3. LOG SESSION blah.log ; Record in file blah.log

 4. OUTPUT \13           ; Start the LIST command

 4. INPUT 200 xxx        ; where xxx is the system prompt

 5. CLOSE SESSION

This should work if the listing doesn't take more than 200 seconds
(if it does, use a bigger number) and if the system prompt does not
occur in the file text (if it does, the active imagination can conjure
up additional tricks to have the host display a unique string after
the file is listed).

- Frank

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From: mkercher@netcom.com (Matthew Kercher)
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>In article <3vrtpa$p0r@gold.tc.umn.edu>,
>Jim Scott <scott048@gold.tc.umn.edu> wrote:
>: I've finally managed to get kermit to transfer files reliably and have 
>: moved on to the next stage -- improving transfer performance.  I download 
>: I've got my window slots set to 31, CTS flow control, 57600 speed with a 
>: 
>: 14.4 modem using compression and error correction.  My control prefixing 
>: is limited to three characters.
>: 

If I infer correctly that you are using MS-Kermit on a PC, you limitation may
be hardware, not protocol strategy.  A lame 8250 or 16450 UART on a serial
board or internal modem will loose characters on such high-speed, long packet
receive transfers because it lacks adequate data buffering.  This causes
multiple retries.  The longer your packet length, the more data that has
to be resent in a bad packet, thus killing the throughput.  Keep an eye
on the number of retries during file transfer to get a feel for the size of
the bad packet/lost data problem.  Or go buy a good serial board with
a 16550 UART.

-- 
 Matt Kercher
 San Francisco, Ca.
 mkercher@netcom.com
-- 
 Matt Kercher
 San Francisco, Ca.
 mkercher@netcom.com

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From: Varun Mehta <varun@columbia.edu>
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Subject: transferring directory hierarchies?
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Is there a way to transfer directory hierarchies without having to
restore to tar/zip etc?

I'm sure this is one of those common questions that pops up every few weeks.
I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of my Kermit book which hopefully will
explain all.


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From: tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens)
Subject: Escape ??
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	Help, I'm trying to escape C-Kermit using CTRL-] (control rightbracket)
and CTRL \ (control backslash) with no luck. Any help appreciated.

Ted
-- 
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<<<<<     OO Analysis & Design, Enterprise Modeling, Training   >>>>>
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From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: transferring directory hierarchies?
Organization: Omen Technology INC
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In article <40chdg$h9k@netapp.netapp.com>, Varun Mehta  <varun> wrote:
>Is there a way to transfer directory hierarchies without having to
>restore to tar/zip etc?
>
>I'm sure this is one of those common questions that pops up every few weeks.
>I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of my Kermit book which hopefully will
>explain all.

Professional-YAM can transfer a directory tree with the command:

	kermit sb -fR *.*

Pro-YAM creates directories as needed when receiving files.
Not all programs do.

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX    caf@omen.COM        http://www.omen.com
    Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: transferring directory hierarchies?
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In article <DD3zI7.1Dn@omen.com>, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX <caf@omen.com> wrote:
>In article <40chdg$h9k@netapp.netapp.com>, Varun Mehta  <varun> wrote:
>>Is there a way to transfer directory hierarchies without having to
>>restore to tar/zip etc?
>>
>>I'm sure this is one of those common questions that pops up every few weeks.
>>I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of my Kermit book which hopefully will
>>explain all.
>
>Professional-YAM can transfer a directory tree with the command:
>
>	kermit sb -fR *.*
>
>Pro-YAM creates directories as needed when receiving files.
>
Neat.

>Not all programs do.
>
C-Kermit creates directories too, on selected operating systems (UNIX, VMS,
OS/2, Stratus VOS, and OS-9), if you enable this feature on the receiver
with SET RECEIVE PATHNAMES ON and on the sender with SET SEND PATHNAMES ON.
It even creates intermediate directories if they don't exist.

However, at present, no Kermit program has the built-in ability to send
directory trees on the fly.  That's coming.  In the meantime:

 . MS-DOS Kermit and OS/2 C-Kermit come with XSEND utilities that let 
   you do this. 

 . In UNIX, you can pipe transfers through tar, or just make tar files and
   transfer them.

 . In VMS you can transfer BACKUP savesets.

Instructions are in the manuals and update (.UPD) files.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Escape ??
Date: 10 Aug 1995 20:51:56 GMT
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In article <tstevensDD3v68.1y2@netcom.com>,
Edward Stevens <tstevens@netcom.com> wrote:
>Help, I'm trying to escape C-Kermit using CTRL-] (control rightbracket)
>and CTRL \ (control backslash) with no luck. Any help appreciated.
>
It's always a good idea to say which version of Kermit you are using
on which platform.  But probably the answer is: just follow the escape
character (Ctrl-\ or Ctrl-], or whatever it is) by the letter "c".

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS KERMIT, telnet, and WFW
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In article <40cf50$9p6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cn125@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry L. Brod) writes:
> I'm trying to use MS-DOS Kermit to make telnet connections
> from Microsoft Windows for Workgroups 3.11.  I have examined
> the MSKWFW.DOC file and found that our situation seems to be
> covered by text #3, situation 3: WFW uses NDIS version 3 handler
> and its own TCP/IP stack.  The text states:
>     
>     An alternative for those owning the Microsoft TCP/IP 
>     protocol stack is to run Kermit over that stack.  The
>     Kermit command to do this is SET PORT 3COM(BAPI), and
>     that talks to WFW protected-mode agent VBAPI.386.  
>     Host selection occurs while talking to the BAPI handler
>     itself.  Shims are not needed in this case.
>    
> This seems like an ideal solution, but I'm unable to find the
> VBAPI.386 handler in Microsoft's WFWT32.EXE archive.  It does
> exist in the older WFWTCP.EXE archive, but that version does
> not support the 32-bit protected mode tcp stack that we want
> to run.  The notes with the WFWT32 archive indicate that it 
> is a complete refresh of WFWTCP.  Did Microsoft drop support
> of BAPI?
----------
	The answer seems to be yes to your last (BAPI) question.
Dan Lanciani at Harvard has been working on a shim for this situation,
the archive file is named ndis3pkt.zip, so please contact him at
ddl@harvard.edu. An older version is in directory drivers on netlab2.usu.edu,
but please be aware that the rules on MS' TCPIP32 have been very fluid
and this older version is probably inappropriate.
	A cheap solution is to add a second Ethernet board, as silly
as that first appears.
	Joe D.

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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I had been having intermittent problems making dialout connections on a
Unixware 1.1.3 machine, running 5a-189 C-Kermit.  Occasionally, a
connection wouldn't echo any keystrokes, although I could see TX data going
out.

I discovered that Unixware is rather untidy about the handling of RTS.
If RTS isn't asserted, my modem won't send any data to the system, which is
correct, but annoying.

I am using the "hardware" port /dev/term/01h.
If I use the "soft" port, /dev/term/01s, then the connection is okay, but
without hardware flow control.

If I run my macro "mmodem" a few times, each of the commands toggles DTR,
and magically, on one of the toggles, RTS is asserted.

I assume that Kermit is doing the correct thing, as usual, so I am looking
for some way to kick Unixware in the right spot.

	define mmodem set modem hayes,set line /dev/term/01h,set speed 38400

I think for now I will set a macro "start", that will call mmodem three
times, which always seems to work.

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup??
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In article <3vsmvh$4v8@hpber004.swiss.hp.com>,
Daniel Huber <danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com> wrote:
>
>So, filtered out the flaming about several protocols and how some
>providers do use or not use them....
>
>The answer to my original question about the best kermit (190) setup for 
>downloading files from CIS is:
>
>- Don't try it?
>- You are out of luck.
>- better not try it.

BTW I tried CKermit 190 on SCO Open Server 5 downloading some .jpg files
today, both via modem and via telnet, and it downloaded the files without
errors.  You might check with Columbia University, HP, or your internet
provider to find out why your mileage is worse.

>
>If kermit does not work well, could somebody give me a pointer to a datacom
>program which would allow FAST downloads from my CIS account over the
>Internet. 

Professional-YAM has B+ protocol and the ability to use telnet for outgoing
calls.  But, we don't have binaries for Hp-Ux.  We do have source code license
for $400, but please beware that TCP/IP interfacing is not well standardized
among different Unix systems.

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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In article <DCwGu7.FC7@technix.mn.org>,
Jerry Wallace <jfw@technix.mn.org> wrote:

>you, I don't feel that kermit is the best protocol/term emulator
>out there, it has strengths and limitations that I recognize and

	bit out from the subject line...BUT,
	kermit emulates tek graphics the best..by far from the others.
	(although, it's really hard to find other products that emulates
	tek graphics..and also, you may not need tek emulation though..)

- jae


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From: crossman@dc-next.ucs.ualberta.ca (Ken Crossman)
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Subject: Breaking out of a auto-redial script?
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We have a Mskermit 3.13 script which will auto-redial our modem pool
until it gets a free modem.

This can be a time consuming  process, 100s of attempts, so we would
like to have the option of breaking out of the script loop.

So far no key-strokes seem capable of doing this ie it dials until it
gets a free modem  and nothing stops it .

Any ideas out there?


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From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin  (Mr.))
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: HELP: xferring(displaying) 8bit char.set thru kermit
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jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) wrote:

>subject says it all..
>i'm trying to display 8bit char.set thru c-kermit.
>what do i need to set for proper display?
Try to set the file type to binary in both ends. If the problem still
exist, check your host. Some system/OS only support 7bit. For example
old version of UNIX.

BTW if you want to display ideographics char. such as: Chinese,
Japanese, etc. on a host which only support 7bit there some altenative
coding formation to work around this kind of limitation. In these case
you better rewrite you question and post it alt.chinese.computing.
c-kermit can't help you.

---- SAM

>- jae


===================================================================
SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.) at Hermes Electronics Technology Co. in MACAU
Tel: +(853) 963609   Fax: +(853) 511456
e-mail: cksam@macau.ctm.net  AT&Tmail: !hermestech
===================================================================


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From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin  (Mr.))
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup??
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 19:39:22 GMT
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danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com  (Daniel Huber) wrote:


>So, filtered out the flaming about several protocols and how some
>providers do use or not use them....

>The answer to my original question about the best kermit (190) setup for 
>downloading files from CIS is:

>- Don't try it?
>- You are out of luck.
>- better not try it.

I would suguest you to modify the set up, the set up is supposed to
provide for you to modify. There is no the best setup because speed of
your PC, the setup of your modem, and the host that you cannect to,
and the delay on the signal reach your PC from the Host all these
factory will affect your the best set up for your own configuration,
no one else can do it for you.

The default setup is aimed for very bad quality of line, thus the
overall transfer speed is very low. if you modify the packet lenght
for a biger value the transfer speed will be faster, sometime it can
reach the transfer speed of Zmodem, which Zmodem 's default is aimed
for the line quality far better than Kermit 's default.

So if your line quality is quite good, then if you do not modify the
setup, you will end up with a very robust, but extremely slow
connection.

I am using C-Kermit (190) on a Sun System.
I set the file type to binary.
No. of  Window to 5
Tx Pac length to 500
Rx Pac length to 500
3-byte CRC
on both end (PC and Host)
The is not the best seup for me, but I already have big improvement on
speed when compare with default setup.
(Note my service provider just upgrade the Host, before upgrade there
is a small SUN station, at that time the best pac length for me is
arround 1000)

your can try to download the same file for many time and change the
pac length each time to find the length best to you.

>If kermit does not work well, could somebody give me a pointer to a datacom
>program which would allow FAST downloads from my CIS account over the
>Internet. 

If you have trouble to handle or loss confidence on Kermit . You need
to post that your CIS account accept which protocal: Zmodem, Ymodem,
Xmodem, etc. than the people in this newsgroup can tell you the name
of the communication program support the protocal you require. 

Since your are in Swiss then if you download big file from US, please
be condiser that even your link between your Local Host or Router is
extremely fast, speed of the link betwen Swiss to US might be very
slow, in this situation any improvement on the speed at your own would
not have much result, unless you rent a private high speed lease line
for youself.

>It should run on a HP (HP-UX 9.x)

I should run on a HP. If it is available from U. of Columbia. Since
Kermit was invented for so many year. If is almost impossible for the
people at U. of Columbia to port a version of Kermit to HP versions of
Unix.

---- SAM

>Thanks

>Daniel


>--
>Daniel Huber, OSC, Hewlett Packard Switzerland, Niederwangen, HP8702
>SMTP: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (or Daniel_Huber@hp8700.desk.hp.com)
>X.400: /G=Daniel/S=Huber/OU=HP8700/O=HP/P=HP/A=ArCom/C=CH/
>If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation?
>--- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Owns ---



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup??
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In article <40g83f$q78@vassun0.macau.ctm.net>,
SAM, Chi-Kin  (Mr.) <cksam@macau.ctm.net> wrote:
>danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com  (Daniel Huber) wrote:
>>It should run on a HP (HP-UX 9.x)
>
>I should run on a HP. If it is available from U. of Columbia. Since
>Kermit was invented for so many year. If is almost impossible for the
>people at U. of Columbia to port a version of Kermit to HP versions of
>Unix.
>
C-Kermit for HP-UX, all versions from 5.21 through the latest 10.x,
is most definitely available from Columbia University.

In fact, HP-UX 10.0 (and later) is delivered with C-Kermit installed in
the /bin directory, by contract with Columbia University, along with all
the supporting initialization files, etc.

Other UNIX vendors should feel free to contact us to make similar
arrangements.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: HELP: xferring(displaying) 8bit char.set thru kermit
Date: 13 Aug 1995 01:28:30 GMT
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In article <40gj6s$rb0@vassun0.macau.ctm.net>,
SAM, Chi-Kin  (Mr.) <cksam@macau.ctm.net> wrote:
>jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) wrote:
>>i'm trying to display 8bit char.set thru c-kermit.
>>what do i need to set for proper display?
>Try to set the file type to binary in both ends. If the problem still
>exist, check your host. Some system/OS only support 7bit. For example
>old version of UNIX.
>
First of all, for 8-bit display, "simply" make sure that your terminal or
window (e.g. cxterm) supports the same Chinese character set as the remote
host: usually either Guo Biao (GB) or Big5.  Then tell C-Kermit to:

  set parity none
  set command bytesize 8
  set terminal bytesize 8
  set terminal character-set transparent

and off you go.  Also make sure the remote host does not strip the 8th
bit; e.g. use a command like "stty pass8" or "stty cs8 -istrip" on a
remote UNIX system, or "set terminal /eightbit" on VMS, etc.

>BTW if you want to display ideographics char. such as: Chinese,
>Japanese, etc. on a host which only support 7bit there some altenative
>coding formation to work around this kind of limitation. In these case
>you better rewrite you question and post it alt.chinese.computing.
>c-kermit can't help you.
>
That's not necessarily true.  The same idea applies here too.  If your
terminal or display window supports the 7-bit representation for Chinese
such as HZ/B5E3 or ZW (as do some chinese DOS versions, like ZWDOS), then
C-Kermit certainly will not stand in the way.

- Frank

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From: JoeM@hiwaay.net(JoeM)
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Subject: Looking for XMODEM Information
Date: 13 Aug 1995 02:48:13 GMT
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I realize that this is really not the proper place to post this, but I can't find an appropriate news group.  

Does anyone know where I can find source code for  XMODEM?

Thanks,

Joe McClain

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I am using the latest version of C-Kermit.
How do I start a kermit script and read a variable set in the UNIX 
shell or how do I read a variable declared in a UNIX shell from within 
a kermit session.


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From: gweisz@csn.net (Gideon Weisz)
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i recently read a russian posting in a usenet group. it was
in (old) KOI-8, and i saw it just fine, thanks to msk 3.14's
standard equipment. is there any way, using the programs that
come with kermit, to get a regular CP866 coded file out of that?
or, must one hunt in the great ftp forest for such a thing?
thanks, gideon

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: variable in script
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In article <406v45$1ua@grovel.iafrica.com>,
 <groenea@qtts-nfs-2303.telkom.co.za> wrote:
>I am using the latest version of C-Kermit.
>How do I start a kermit script and read a variable set in the UNIX 
>shell or how do I read a variable declared in a UNIX shell from within 
>a kermit session.
>
As explained in the manual (info below), environment variables are
accessible within Kermit as \$(xxx), where xxx is the name of the
environment variable.

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025-7721
    USA
    Telephone: +1 212 854-3703
    Fax:       +2 212 663-8202

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada,
  and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or
  Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add US $35 bank fee for checks
  not drawn on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales
  tax.  Inquire about quantity discounts.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada,
		       Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time)
    +1 617 928 2613   (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info)
    +44 1933 414000   (Rushden, England distribution centre for
		       UK & Europe)
    +44 1865 310366   (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept)
    +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ)
    +65 356-1968      (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore,
		       Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand)
    +27 031-294247    (Durban office for South Africa)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und
    Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).
    ISBN 3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price: DM 88,00.  
    Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.
    Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: cyrillic and msk3.14: character set problem
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In article <40jquo$2f3@news-2.csn.net>, Gideon Weisz <gweisz@csn.net> wrote:
>
>i recently read a russian posting in a usenet group. it was
>in (old) KOI-8, and i saw it just fine, thanks to msk 3.14's
>standard equipment. is there any way, using the programs that
>come with kermit, to get a regular CP866 coded file out of that?
>or, must one hunt in the great ftp forest for such a thing?
>
By the time you see it on your screen, it has already been
translated to CP866.  So the trick is to copy the screen to a
file.

Dump screen (Ctrl-numeric-keypad-End or ^]f) to file KERMIT.SCN
(or other current SET DUMP file), or any kind of print-screen
operation (except transparent print), with SET PRINTER xxx, where
xxx is the desired filename.

- Frank

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I'm running the IAK in OS/2 WARP (blue) and just obtained the subject comm 
protocol package to use in accessing the OS/2 Shareware BBS. I connect just fine,
but can't figure out how to start a DL. I select the file(s) I want and it tells me to 
start my DL. The screen shows the B00000, etc. I hit ALT-X to get a command 
prompt and enter RECEIVE F:\DL (F:\DL being the directory where I would like to 
receive the file(s). It seems to start to DL, but doesn't, quitting after a minute or 
so. I'm used to ZMODEM in other comm packages which starts DL's and UL's 
automatically. Obviously, I'm doing something wrong and/or not doing something I
should be doing. Would appreciate any help/clues.
FWIW, I am able to DL from this host using VMODEM (from the SIO comm package)
but it's VERY slow...about 700cps though I'm using a USR Courier V34, as is my
Internet provider and the host. This is not a line problem as I get consistant 26.4k 
connections and around 3000cps DL's in non-Internet connects. FTP Dl's are "fast"
though I don't have a number.
Thanks for any help.

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From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Breaking out of a auto-redial script?
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 01:12:29 GMT
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crossman@dc-next.ucs.ualberta.ca (Ken Crossman) wrote:

>We have a Mskermit 3.13 script which will auto-redial our modem pool
>until it gets a free modem.

>This can be a time consuming  process, 100s of attempts, so we would
>like to have the option of breaking out of the script loop.

>So far no key-strokes seem capable of doing this ie it dials until it
>gets a free modem  and nothing stops it .

Ken,

I seem to recall having to deal with the same problem. If I remember
correctly, I inserted something like

	set alarm 2
	if not alarm end 1

in the redial loop. It did not make my redialing slower since it replaced a
"pause 2" which gave the modem time to regroup before redialing. If a key is
pressed during these 2 seconds, the "set alarm 2" command is interrupted;
the alarm does not expire, "not alarm" is TRUE, and the script exits, the
return code of 1 indicating failure. It's still a little hard to hit a key
at just the right time. Prefixing the two lines above with

	echo Keystroke NOW to abort!!!

helps a bit.

I hope it helps.

 - Vince

>Any ideas out there?


*************************************
   Vincent Fatica
   Syracuse University Mathematics
   vefatica@syr.edu
*************************************


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From: Sanjeev Motwani <motwani@Geko.COM.AU>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Problem Downloading Files Using Kermit
Date: 14 Aug 1995 13:09:13 GMT
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A friend of mine is trying to download files from a BBS but is unable to do so despite being able to connect. 

More specifically, on being prompted to commence download the following is typed in but does not work:

~?kermit -r

The problem is apparently due to being unable to connect the Unix stdin of kermit to the communication line.  Any pointers or suggestions will be appreciated. 

Thanks in advance.

Sanjeev 

E-mail: motwani@geko.com.au

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From: goldberg@intac.com
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Subject: Hebrew in Kermit for OS/2
Date: 14 Aug 1995 15:21:47 GMT
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I am using C-Kermit 5A(191), Beta.13 (5 April 95) and would like to use the
Hebrew font for accessing the ALEPH library system in Israel.  However when I
enter "set term font cp862" either in ckermod.ini or at the kermit prompt I
receive the message "?PCFONTS.DLL is not available in CKERMIT executable
directory." The file pcfonts.dll is located in D:\ckermit on my system, which is the
directory from which I am running ckermit. The .inf file contains no information
regarding the location of pcfonts.dll and my ckermit directory is in my path,
libpath, and dpath settings. Can anyone suggest why kermit doesn't find the file,
and how I might remedy this problem? I very much would like to be able to use
Kermit's Hebrew capability.

Thank you in advance for any help,
Yechiel Goldberg
New York University
goldberg@intac.com

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Problem Downloading Files Using Kermit
Date: 14 Aug 1995 20:39:46 GMT
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In article <40nhtp$q3s@metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU>,
Sanjeev Motwani  <motwani@Geko.COM.AU> wrote:
: A friend of mine is trying to download files from a BBS but is unable to
: do so despite being able to connect.
: 
: More specifically, on being prompted to commence download the following
: is typed in but does not work:
: 
: ~?kermit -r
: 
: The problem is apparently due to being unable to connect the Unix stdin
: of kermit to the communication line.  Any pointers or suggestions will
: be appreciated.
: 
Perhaps we should take this offline.  Send e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu
explaining exactly which platforms and which programs are being used on
each end of the connection, and which end the "~?kermit -r" is being
typed, etc etc.

- Frank

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From: dbrownd@phoenix.phoenix.net (Damon Brownd)
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Subject: Re: Kermit for MS-DOS
Date: 14 Aug 1995 22:08:53 GMT
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In article <40m49o$3ou@utaipx02.uta.edu>,
SCOTT R TAYLOR <srt1204@utagraph.uta.edu> wrote:
>Dear reader,
>
>I recently purchased a HP 48 and am in need of kermit for dos to
>exchange files between the calculator and my PC.  If anyone knows an ftp
>site from which i can download a current version of kermit i would
>greatly appreciate it.
>

The official kermit ftp site is kermit.columbia.edu.

-- 
Damon Brownd
dbrownd@phoenix.net
I am the worlds foremost expert.....  on my own opinions.

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Hebrew in Kermit for OS/2
Date: 15 Aug 1995 04:52:02 GMT
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In article <40npmb$s4o@uucp.intac.com>,  <goldberg@intac.com> wrote:
>I am using C-Kermit 5A(191), Beta.13 (5 April 95) and would like to use the
>Hebrew font for accessing the ALEPH library system in Israel.  However when I
>enter "set term font cp862" either in ckermod.ini or at the kermit prompt I
>receive the message "?PCFONTS.DLL is not available in CKERMIT executable
>directory." The file pcfonts.dll is located in D:\ckermit on my system, which is the
>directory from which I am running ckermit. The .inf file contains no information
>regarding the location of pcfonts.dll and my ckermit directory is in my path,
>libpath, and dpath settings. Can anyone suggest why kermit doesn't find the file,
>and how I might remedy this problem? I very much would like to be able to use
>Kermit's Hebrew capability.


Please do not post queries regarding unsupported Beta versions.
Please update your software to the current release version which is 
available either:

via ftp  kermit.columbia.edu  /kermit/archives/cko191.zip
via www  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

If you still have a problem with the official release, then send bug 
reports to the kermit @columbia.edu.

Thanks.
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): 
   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip 
   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

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SCOTT R TAYLOR (srt1204@utagraph.uta.edu) wrote:
: Dear reader,

: I recently purchased a HP 48 and am in need of kermit for dos to
: exchange files between the calculator and my PC.  If anyone knows an ftp
: site from which i can download a current version of kermit i would
: greatly appreciate it.

I thought I'd let you know that you'll have to set your packet length 
to 90 on send and receive to get kermit transfers to work with your 
HP.  The HP's serial line buffer is too small to accept packets any 
larger than that.  The ftp site for kermit is kermit.columbia.edu.

If you have an SX and enough free RAM, you'll want to get the file 
browser utility to ease transfers.  Pop into comp.sys.hp48 for more 
information.

Troy Smith

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 and EVE
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In article <408069$q05@pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes:
> Hello, all.
> 
> A coworker is trying to use MS-Kermit 3.14 (latest version) to 
> communicate with our Vax/VMS mainframes from home via dial-up connection. 
> The modem is connected to our systems thru a terminal server. I believe 
> he is using Ms-Kermit as a VT-320 emulator.
> 
> The problem: he says that, when running EVE (sp), the text-editor, he 
> gets all sorts of stray characters on his screen, rendering the system 
> useless. Any ideas about the cause (asside from the possibility of a 
> noisy telephone line)? Dunno whether he's done a "do vms" or not.
-----------
	SET DISPLAY 8, for sure. Get the right terminal type negotiated
via VMS command   SET TERM/INQ  (put it in your login.com). Recommend
VT320. 
	Joe D. (typed in Eve)

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From: riegera@rider.wharton.upenn.edu (Andrew Rieger)
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Hi,

  I don't really know kermit, but I need to support a developer who
knows even less than I do. :)  He is using a kermit script to dial
into a modem pool.  The problem is that the modems are sometimes
in a upset state and need to be reset before dialing out.  I assumed
that just doing an atz before dialing would be best.  The c-kermit
manual seemed to suggest that I should modify the dial init-string.
I have tried to do this, but I cannot seem to see what it is before
I initialize it, so I do not know how to just add an atz at the
beginning.  The modem type is V42-telebit.  Any suggestions as to
how to solve this problem, or a better MTFR would be appreciated.

  Thanks.

  Andrew Rieger
  arieger@lehman.com

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Need init string help
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In article <40r1jv$ltn@netnews.upenn.edu>,
Andrew Rieger <riegera@rider.wharton.upenn.edu> wrote:
>I don't really know kermit, but I need to support a developer who
>knows even less than I do. :)  He is using a kermit script to dial
>into a modem pool.  The problem is that the modems are sometimes
>in a upset state and need to be reset before dialing out.  I assumed
>that just doing an atz before dialing would be best.  The c-kermit
>manual seemed to suggest that I should modify the dial init-string.
>I have tried to do this, but I cannot seem to see what it is before
>I initialize it, so I do not know how to just add an atz at the
>beginning.  The modem type is V42-telebit.  Any suggestions as to
>how to solve this problem, or a better MTFR would be appreciated.
>
To paraphrase Lyndon Johnson, "Son, you've got the only manual there
is".  There is some additional info about Telebits in the ckcker.bwr.
Well, a lot...

But really, I think all you need to do is:

C-Kermit>set modem v42-telebit 
C-Kermit>sho dial
 Modem: v42-telebit, speed: 38400
 Dial directory: (none)
 Dial hangup: on, dial modem-hangup: on
 Dial kermit-spoof: off, dial display: off
 Dial speed-matching: on, dial mnp-enable: off
 Dial init-string: \{17}AAAAATQ0X1S12=50 S2=43 I\{13}  <---
 Dial dial-command: ATD%s\{13}
 Dial prefix: (none)
 Dial timeout: 0 (auto), Redial number: (none)
 Carrier: auto
C-Kermit>exit

There it is.  But really, it turns out that C-Kermit 5A(190) and
earlier support Telebits in a rather unnecessarily convoluted way,
the upshot of which is that if you change the init string, you
also wind up preventing some other important stuff from happening.

In the forthcoming release, 5A(192), matters will be a lot
simpler.  But in the meantime, why not just do this:

  set carrier off
  output ATZ\13
  set carrier auto

and then DIAL.

- Frank

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We are using MSKERMIT 3.14 with the LATIN1-char-set. Everything work o.k., except the mapping of
 the '-sign! Kermit will send the '-sign to the host as \21, which is
ok, because this is the place, where you can find it in the CODE-PAGE 437 we are using.
 But instead, it should be mapped to \167, its place in Latin1 !

Do you know this problem? I constructed a work-around like this:
>;
>set key \21 \172               ; --->  " , "
>set translation input on       ; Uebersetzungsmechanismus einschalten
>set translation input \172 \21 ; Zeichen Nr. 172 ---> Nr. 21 uebersetzen
>
This works for the display, but it does not work for documents, that will be printed,
because now there is a strange character instead of ' !!!!

PS: Of course, I did check the book and any related documents

Thanks in advance HJR

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From: Bill Masters <bmasters@execpc.com>
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Subject: Any experience with international file transfer over noisy lines?
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Howdy out there in Kermit land ...

Our company is experimenting with file transfer (specifically CAD drawings) to a location in 
India. Unfortunately the lines over there seem to be pretty noisy. We either have the line dropped 
during the call or, more frequently (always, so far) we have nad no luck getting , for instance, 
Zmodem to actually successfully transfer, always seems to time out, bad CRCs. I figure the noise 
at that distance is causing this.

Does anyone have any experience with this? Are there better methods/protocols (Kermit?) that can 
be used?

BTW: I've looked for but can't find any other newsgroups on modems and file transfer protocols. 
Any better place to post?

Thanks in advance.

In great humbleness,

Bill Masters
(bmasters@execpc.com)




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From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER)
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Subject: Re: MSKermit over IP connection
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	I'll _try_ to recast this coherently... :-)

	Joe D. wrote:

#	I'm not sure I follow all the details above, but let me take a
#stab at matters.
#	SLIP is a point to point transport mechanism with only two stations
#on the wire: this end and "the other end". There is no ARP-ing involved
#since ARP is a way of finding one of many stations on the same broadcast
#medium (and a serial link isn't a broadcast medium). CSLIPPER is a SLIP
#Packet Driver.

	Right... I'm thinking of the connection as running
something like this:

	[My DOS app] -> [SLIP or PPP client] -> [Serial card] ->
[My modem] -> [Telephone network] -> [Server's modem] ->
[Server's port] -> [SLIP or PPP server] -> [Server's LAN] ->
[LAN's TCP/IP gateway] -> Internet stuff...

#	Given a point to point architecture "the other end" is responsible
#for transporting packets to far away places, and hence it is both a host
#and the gateway. Figuring out what to do with packets not addressed to it
#is a problem that other end has to deal with. I have no idea of how you
#have the Cisco boxes configured. In any case, SLIP has no notion of routing, 

	I don't know about the Ciscos' configurations either,
although I can get some information from the server prompt using
the 'show' command with various extensions. I have asked the
support office here re the manuals... which they couldn't locate!

#gateway, or ARP. Any routing which does occur is a pleasant side effect
#of "the other end."
#
	I'm thinking that the server, attempting to link me to
the Net, can't resolve the gateway's IP address into a valid
Ethernet address, and sends some message to this effect back to
the client. Since the client (DOS Kermit in this case) is
attached to the server via SLIP/PPP, the message is passed over
the link layer back to my SLIP/PPP driver, which complains to
Kermit; the link layer has nothing to do with all this beyond
hauling datagrams back and forth.

	All this is based on my exceedingly limited knowledge of
networking of course. I'm probably out to lunch on some of it.

#	EtherPPP is the MERIT item, I presume. Honestly, I have never been
#able to get that program to work in any way; it always hangs my machine as
#it starts up. Thus I have nothing useful to suggest for it.
#
	Yup, configuring EtherPPP is a unique experience. It
works great now that I've figured out the settings my machine
likes. But that doesn't mean I've found a configuration which
would work everywhere. To return to the topic, the ARP problem
appears to occur independent of the driver (I have tried two
EtherPPP releases as well as the {,C}Slipper drivers). With the
earlier Kermit no problem. With the recent Kermit, the ARP error
is returned.

#	Adding to my confusion on your report is "name resolution doesn't
#seem to be a problem." If the nameserver is far away, in the SLIP sense,
#then that is no different than trying to reach another machine far away. 
#
	Right. An inadvertent red herring on my part...

	I don't know if what I have added is helpful in
diagnosing the problem. I would be more than happy to mail in
session transcripts, config files &c. if this would help. I
suppose I've used enough bandwidth on this question at any rate.

	Thanks...
___________________________________________________________________
	I know that I am man; in the day to come
	My portion will be as yours, no more, no less.
		- Sophocles, _Oedipus at Colonus_, 401 B.C
Tr. E.F Watling, 1946, after "mainly... Jebb (Cambridge; 1889)."
Never a Windoze user and proud of it.
Mail: <sysone@teleport.com>  URL: <http://www.teleport.com/~sysone>

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Subject: Re: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP
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>  	MSK does run over TNGLASS. SET PORT BIOS<n> is the Kermit command
>  to use to find the Int 14h support provided by TNGLASS; don't use SET PORT
>  1 or COM1 because that tells Kermit to go to the serial port hardware. I
>  suspect there is a command in your setup to go to the hardware, and if so 
>  then Kermit.exe command line phrase "-f NUL" is the way to avoid loading 
>  mskermit.ini and other startup files. Reading the .ini files will reveal
>  if SET PORT x is present.

Thanks,  SET PORT BIOS<n> is something I haven't tried.


>   
>  > On machine 2.  I am running WFW3.11 with MS's TCPIP stack for WFW.  I've 
>  >tried shelling out to DOS and running WINPKT and even running WINPKT before 
>  >I launch WFW but I keep getting the same error.
>  
>  	MS' TCP/IP stack isn't for DOS programs.
>   

So there is NO way to run kermit from this configuration?


>  > Can someone plesase help.
>  
>  	What we do on my campus. Use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. Load
>  up ODIPKT + WINPKT before entering Windows. Use Kermit in a window of
>  Windows (that's Win 3.x and Win95). The one-stack-at-a-time rule still
>  applies.

This will then prevent use of FTP's TCPIP stack?  So the ONLY TCPIP program that can
be used is KERMIT?





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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Help: how to get PARAGRAPH character on German keyboard ????
Date: 16 Aug 1995 15:00:45 GMT
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In article <409rmi$pmm@rzcom.stadt-mh.de>,
h.-j. rosenberger <rosenb@stadt-mh.de> wrote:

(Dear readers: Be sure to use 8-bit display and Latin-1 character set
 when reading this message or it will make no sense...)

: We are using MSKERMIT 3.14 with the LATIN1-char-set. Everything work
: o.k., except the mapping of the '-sign! Kermit will send the '-sign to
: the host as \21, which is ok, because this is the place, where you can
: find it in the CODE-PAGE 437 we are using.  But instead, it should be
: mapped to \167, its place in Latin1 !
: 
First, we should all be aware of the confusion surrounding the name
"paragraph sign".  Americans think it is the glyph that looks like a
backwards uppercase "P" with two vertical strokes (6), whereas Europeans
give this name to the one that looks a bit like an uppercase "S" with a
circle in the middle (').  The real name for the "P" sign (6) is Pilcrow
sign.  In this text, "paragraph sign" refers to the true Paragraph sign
(').

PC Code page 437 does not contain a Paragraph sign OR a Pilcrow sign.
If you want to use Latin-1 as your terminal character set, then you
should also set your PC code page to 850, because CP850 contains all the
graphics characacters of Latin-1 (but, of course, using different codes):

  CHCP 850
  SET TERMINAL CODE-PAGE CP850
  SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET LATIN1 
  SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8
  SET PARITY NONE

Then you can view and enter all Latin-1 characters.  Below you can see how
I used MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 to enter them into this message:

              Par  Pil
  Compose      '    6    ; Using Compose Key: Alt-c SO and Alt-c PP
  Alt-nnn      '    6    ; Using Alt-nnn method: Alt-245 and Alt-244

Neither of these methods is necessary if you have such keys directly on
your national keyboard.

The Alt-nnn method is documented in "Using MS-DOS Kermit".  The Compose
key is documented in the KERMIT.UPD file.

- Frank

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: > > On machine 2.  I am running WFW3.11 with MS's TCPIP stack for WFW.
: > >I've tried shelling out to DOS and running WINPKT and even running
: > >WINPKT before I launch WFW but I keep getting the same error.
: >  
: >  	MS' TCP/IP stack isn't for DOS programs.
: 
: So there is NO way to run kermit from this configuration?
:  ...
: This will then prevent use of FTP's TCPIP stack?  So the ONLY TCPIP
: program that can be used is KERMIT?
: 
Again, the general rule is:

  Only one protocol stack of a given kind per network adapter.

The situation is explained as clearly as we can possible contrive to
explain it in NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14,
which also contains a looooong writeup on WfW.

The quickest, easiest, and cheapest solution to this problem is to
lay out the $70 or so needed for a second Ethernet board.  Then you can
run two TCP/IP stacks simultaneously.

If, however, you want to waste about $1000 worth of your time, you can
try to chase down a software solution.  Look in our FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

at item (6) for some possible starting points.  If you achieve success
with any of these methods, please don't hesitate to report back to this
newsgroup, since, to my knowledge, nobody else has done so.  Good luck.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Any experience with international file transfer over noisy lines?
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In article <40q4ct$keh@homer.alpha.net>,
Bill Masters  <bmasters@execpc.com> wrote:
: Our company is experimenting with file transfer (specifically CAD
: drawings) to a location in India. Unfortunately the lines over there
: seem to be pretty noisy. We either have the line dropped during the call
: or, more frequently (always, so far) we have nad no luck getting , for
: instance, Zmodem to actually successfully transfer, always seems to time
: out, bad CRCs. I figure the noise at that distance is causing this.
: 
: Does anyone have any experience with this? Are there better
: methods/protocols (Kermit?) that can be used?
: 
Try Kermit.  It is designed to work on connections like this.
I'd suggest settings like the following (give these commands to both
Kermit programs): 

  set file type binary
  set receive packet-length 80
  set window 20

In other words, binary-mode transfer using very short packets and a
large window size.  This should minimize not only the number of
retransmissions caused by noise, but also result in reasonably fast
performance and error-recovery time over a link that has a long
round-trip delay.

If this works satisfactorily, gradually increase the packet-length until
the performance begins to take a nosedive.

To learn all about Kermit software and documentation, visit our Web
site:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

- Frank

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Greetings everyone,

I use unix c-kermit 190 to 'connect' via tcp/ip to a dial-out
server (modem pool), and from there to dial out ( 'atdt #')
to a remote terminal server. The problem is I get a "^@" garbage
char on my terminal for every line received, plus warnings like 
"ignoring null characters" from the "mail" program...

Any ideas, hints, etc  about where is the problem in my
connection will be appreciated. Email preffered.

My .kermrc :
----------------------------
set host xx.xx.xx.xx port
set telnet newline-mode off
set flow-control none
set parity none
----------------------------

Cheers,
  Chris

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Cristian Cocosco                                esn: 852-8826
                                               phone: 514-761-8826
 Bell-Northern Research, Montreal              email: cocosco@bnr.ca

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: What are you using Kermit for?
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It is a time-worn truism that the maker of a product (like Kermit)
never hears back from its users unless something is wrong.

I would like to get a different kind of feedback at this point, of
a rather specific nature:

In this world that is rapidly changing from text-based online access to
graphical browsers and such, where, specifically, is a text-based
communications program still useful?  When I say "text based", I'm
speaking not about the user interface, but the intrinsically text-based
nature of the terminal emulator ( Tektronix graphics aside :-).  In other
words, when the world is divided up between Web browsers and terminal
emulators, what is the place of the terminal emulator (either serial or
telnet based)?  I would guess in at least the following areas and
applications:

 . Organizations that have any kind of central computing facility --
   timesharing systems, text-based online library catalogs, etc.
   Especially when telecommuting is a possibility.

 . For accessing BBS's.

 . For accessing text-based Internet service providers, where the customer
   basically gets a UNIX prompt (can people provide me with specific
   examples -- company names and locations, etc?)

 . For accessing commercial data services that are text based.  I believe
   the following fall into this category.  Please correct me if I am
   wrong, and please let me know about others I might have forgotten:
   
     Dow Jones News Retrieval
     MCI Mail
     Genie
     Delphi
     Discipline-specific services like Lexis, Nexis, Westlaw, Medline

 . Text-based information services on the Internet like:
   
     Library of Congress (dra.com)
     Weather (madlab.sprl.umich.edu:3000)
     Geography (martini.eecs.umich.edu:3000)
     Others... ???

 . What else???

The Web is a wonderful thing, but everybody can't run a Web browser, at
least not today, and Web browsers do have certain limitations (e.g.
regarding character sets).  AOL and MSN are wonderful things too, but they
lock you in to a proprietary world.  I like to think that products like
Kermit stand for freedom of choice.  What do you think?

Please, if you will, just reply to kermit@columbia.edu by email rather
than posting, so as to keep the newsgroup free for its primary purpose,
which is (I think) tech support.

Thanks!

- Frank

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Subject: Re: [^@] garbage in terminal session??
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In article <40r0kp$l92@bmtlh10.bnr.ca>,
Cristian Cocosco <cocosco@bnr.ca> wrote:
: I use unix c-kermit 190 to 'connect' via tcp/ip to a dial-out
: server (modem pool), and from there to dial out ( 'atdt #')
: to a remote terminal server. The problem is I get a "^@" garbage
: char on my terminal for every line received, plus warnings like 
: "ignoring null characters" from the "mail" program...
: 
Has nothing to do with Kermit.

Probably the host you are connecting to, or your terminal server,
is inserting the NUL characters because it thinks you have an
ASR-33 model Teletype or something, and is sending NULs as
carriage-return padding to give the print head time to return
to the left margin.

Tell the host you have a modern terminal.

- Frank

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From: smurman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Michael Murman)
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I have a problem with kermit on Unix boxes.  I can download from work
or school to my home computer without any problems, but going the
other way causes a timeout failure *after* the entire file has been
sent.  The transfer appears to complete, but whatever the final data
that needs to be sent gets a timeout error.  This problem is
reproducible, but only occurs on larger ascii files, or any binary
file.  Small text files (10k) will go through fine.  I have kermit 190
at home, and have tried versions 188-190 on the receiving end to no
avail.  It also doesn't seem to matter what the flavor of Unix on the
receiving end is.  I guess I must have something set up wrong on my
home computer, but I use the same initialization files on both sides.
Thanks in advance for any help. 

Scott <smurman@leland.stanford.edu>

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP
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>>  	What we do on my campus. Use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. Load
>>  up ODIPKT + WINPKT before entering Windows. Use Kermit in a window of
>>  Windows (that's Win 3.x and Win95). The one-stack-at-a-time rule still
>>  applies.
> 
> This will then prevent use of FTP's TCPIP stack?  So the ONLY TCPIP program that can
> be used is KERMIT?
-------------
	We've said this in the release docs and on the radio (here) many
times: Only ONE protocol stack of a given kind over a lan adapter at one
time. We have offered support for running over several other vendor's TCP/IP
stacks. We cannot solve the world's TCP/IP problems in one program. It's your
choice of what to run, and how, for your clients. Letting a TCP/IP stack
sit eating memory while not in use is not a swift idea in these times of
vastly bloated applications, so apply thought to unloading what's not used.
Batch files still work with Windows, so give them a try.
	Joe D.

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Subject: Re: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP
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In article <40f1kp$mor@harbour.awod.com>, Carl Hilton writes:

[... attribution level lost ...]
| >   
| >  > On machine 2.  I am running WFW3.11 with MS's TCPIP stack for WFW.  I've 
| >  >tried shelling out to DOS and running WINPKT and even running WINPKT before 
| >  >I launch WFW but I keep getting the same error.
| >  
| >  	MS' TCP/IP stack isn't for DOS programs.
| >   
| 
| So there is NO way to run kermit from this configuration?

Some people have been able to run kermit & MSTCP32 w/WfWG 3.11 together
using my ndis3pkt.386 driver.  The trick is to use different IP addresses
for MSTCP32 and kermit.  More generally, you need one IP address for
MSTCP32 and one IP address for all your other packet-driver applications.
This is because, although ndis3pkt includes a tcp session multiplexor
that allows multiple packet-driver-based tcp/ip stacks to share the same
IP address on one machine, ndis3pkt has no control over the MSTCP32
stack.  If you try to use the same address for both, MSTCP32 will reset
kermit's connections and such.

Some people have been unable to get the MSTCP32+kermit+ndis3pkt combination
to work in configurations that appear superficially identical to those
which work elsewhere.  I suspect there is some minor detail of interest
to be found here, but I don't know what it is. :)

				Dan Lanciani
				ddl@harvard.*

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From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle)
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Subject: Re: Any experience with international file transfer over noisy lines?
Date: 17 Aug 1995 14:29:08 GMT
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In article <40t26o$n4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
[to someone who wanted to send files over VERY noisy lines]

>I'd suggest settings like the following (give these commands to both
>Kermit programs): 

>  set file type binary
>  set receive packet-length 80
>  set window 20

You might also want to 
set block 3

to enable more advanced error correction.  If the lines are as bad as you 
say, a simple checksum might be insufficient.

-willie

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From: 93202832@comet.np.ac.sg (Edwinder Singh S/o Gurmukh S)
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Subject: Kermit Script needed.
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Can anyone provide me with a simple Ms-Kermit redial script?
Please email.
Thank you in advance.
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: srt1204@utagraph.uta.edu (SCOTT R TAYLOR)
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Subject: Kermit for MS-DOS
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Dear reader,

I recently purchased a HP 48 and am in need of kermit for dos to
exchange files between the calculator and my PC.  If anyone knows an ftp
site from which i can download a current version of kermit i would
greatly appreciate it.

Your sincerely
Scott Taylor
E-mail : srt1204@omega.uta.edu


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From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith)
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Subject: VT220 vs VT320 Terminal Type on Unix
Date: 18 Aug 1995 10:05:38 -0400
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The default terminal type for MS-Kermit is vt320.  Locally we
pessimized this to vt102 because our Unix hosts don't have vt320
termcap or terminfo definitions.

Now that I know a little bit more about MSK I'd like to change the
local default terminal type, in part because some people want to use
the Compose key to enter accented characters.  vt220 supports Compose
and our Unix hosts have vt220 terminal definitions.

Questions: Is there any particular advantage to vt320 over vt220?
If so, where can I get termcap and terminfo definitions for vt320?
What do people connecting to SunOS and Solaris systems normally do?
I don't like the thought of having to add a vt320 terminal definition
to every Unix box on campus.
-- 
 
 Mike Smith                                  mike@ccs.queensu.ca
 Queen's University                          Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA
 Computing and Communications Services       (613) 545-2024

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From: rac@digital.net (Roger Cornelius)
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Subject: wy50 stdout mode in mskermit
Date: 18 Aug 1995 17:02:42 GMT
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I'm using mskermit 3.14 on an IBM clone with set term type wyse50 to
connect to a UNIX system.  Kermit's wy50 emulation doesn't appear
to include stdout mode, or at least I can't figure out how to get
it working.  This makes it very difficult to work in applications
which rely on highlighting.

Is there some way to get stdout mode to work in wyse50 mode, either
via reverse video or underline?

Thanks.

--
Roger Cornelius        rac@ddi.digital.net        sherpa!rac@uunet.uu.net

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From: Mike Anderson <andersonmb@delphi.com>
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I have access to Internet by means of a 7 bit line only.  I understand
that it is possible to use Kermit to transmit binary files
even using 7 bits.  Can anyone help me set up my Kermit parameters to do
this.  Thanks Mike Anderson.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <41316u$mul@jaws.cs.hmc.edu>, Jose Kirkland <jose_kirkland@email.pitzer.edu> writes:
> Hello, People!
> 
> I have a problem (no!) in that we are running a group of Netware servers, 
> and are slowly switching most of our folk onto Lan Workplace for the 
> tcpip....  Many of them are fairly kermit dependent, though, and whenever 
> they have the lanwp tcpip loaded, kermit fritzes out looking for a 
> bootpd.
> 
> I have the batch which kermit runs from set up to do a tcpip -u whenever 
> kermit is trying to start, so that its own stack can play, which 
> sometimes works, but if a user has done much since the lanwp stack was 
> loaded, say, entered and exited windows, then it can't restore the int 
> handler and the tcpip sticks and kermit bails, so an insufficient fix 
> ultimately.
> 
> So I downloaded the most recent Kermit, which is built to deal with the 
> lanwp tcpip, and does so nicely, but the problem is that I have both 
> users with and without lanwp, and can't determine how (or whether) I can 
> configure kermit to operate with either. I need to make all of this as 
> automated as possible, as my users tend to balk at things as complex as 
> "cd ..".
> 
> Any hints, or anyone who has had to get things set up for a fairly motley 
> environment?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Josefa Kirkland
> pc/Novell spec
> jose@bernard.pitzer.edu
--------------
	Sympathy but not much useful advice from our end. If users have
various programs loaded that require treatment before MS-DOS Kermit is
run then you will have to develop a strategy for discovering the individual
flavors. Recall that MSK also runs over TELAPI (Novell's Telnet layer to
apps) so at least you can continue to run MSK with LWP/DOS. And, Kermit
is able to read the DOS Environment so you can write scripts/macros which
react to information there; use \$(Environment variable name) to get the
variable's defining string. The NetWare login script can write to the
DOS master Environment; thus Kermit can respond to NW login scripts too.
	My tuppence worth on users. They are a sly bunch, and they can do
marvelous things when enticed. Just watch what happens on 24 Aug no matter
what you advise. Full backups on 23 Aug is recommended.
	Joe D.

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From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Any experience with international file transfer over noisy lines?
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 20:46:50 GMT
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In article <40q4ct$keh@homer.alpha.net>,
   Bill Masters <bmasters@execpc.com> wrote:
>
>Howdy out there in Kermit land ...
>
>Our company is experimenting with file transfer (specifically CAD drawings) 
to a location in 
>India. Unfortunately the lines over there seem to be pretty noisy. We either 
have the line dropped 
>during the call or, more frequently (always, so far) we have nad no luck 
getting , for instance, 
>Zmodem to actually successfully transfer, always seems to time out, bad CRCs. 
I figure the noise 
>at that distance is causing this.
>
>Does anyone have any experience with this? Are there better methods/protocols 
(Kermit?) that can 
>be used?
>
>BTW: I've looked for but can't find any other newsgroups on modems and file 
transfer protocols. 
>Any better place to post?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>In great humbleness,
>
>Bill Masters
>(bmasters@execpc.com)
>
>
I have this kind of experience. Few years ago. I once download files for more 
the 20Mins from USA to here in South Asia.

First you need a first a pair of top quality modem at both ends, so that your 
line would not be dropped. Then try to use Kermit as the start point, I prefer 
version from U of columbia than other kermit protocal bundled with comm. 
program, as those bundled sometime lack of the facilities to aloow fine tune 
the performace. First start with short packet (96), windows as 1, then try to 
increse the packet lengh. After determine the best packet length, try to find 
the best windows size. Than I would come back to try to modify the 
packet-length to increase the though put. Windows size play a important factor 
on trought put of long haul international link. I would use Zmodem on 
connection(s) known with good quality of line.

---SAM


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: wy50 stdout mode in mskermit
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In article <412h3i$8u3@ddi2.digital.net>, rac@digital.net (Roger Cornelius) writes:
> I'm using mskermit 3.14 on an IBM clone with set term type wyse50 to
> connect to a UNIX system.  Kermit's wy50 emulation doesn't appear
> to include stdout mode, or at least I can't figure out how to get
> it working.  This makes it very difficult to work in applications
> which rely on highlighting.
> 
> Is there some way to get stdout mode to work in wyse50 mode, either
> via reverse video or underline?
--------

	I can't speak for your termcap/terminfo material. However, here
is the section of Kermit's Wyse50 doc on the matter:

WYSE ESCAPE SEQUENCE           DESCRIPTION OF ACTION (* = Not Supported)

ESC <space>                    report terminal ident, send 3 bytes "50<c/r>"
ESC ! attrib                   writes all unprotected cells with attribute
			       code attrib (Blank attribute is ignored)
	      attrib		action
		 0		normal video
		 1	       *blank
		 2		blink
		 3	       *blank
		 4		reverse video
		 8		underscore
		40h		dim
			(attrib is a byte with these bits as components,
			 using a bias of ASCII "0", 30h)


	Joe D.

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From: SREEDHAR.RAMANAN@mhs-pfg1.attmail.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit thru Windows over Token-Ring
Date: 18 Aug 1995 20:15:15 GMT
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HELLO:

I am trying to get Kermit 3.14 to run Windows 3.1 loaded from a Novell Token-Ring Server. I am 
loading both ODIPKT and WINPKT in my "startnet.bat" and have a second frame, Token-Ring_Snap 
for my IP, ARP and RARP protocols in my "net.cfg" file. My files are as follows:

STARTNET.BAT
----------------------------

LSL
TOKEN
ODIPKT 1 99
WINPKT 0x63
IPXODI
VLM



and  NET.CFG
        ---------------

protocol KERMIT
        bind Token

Link Driver TOKEN
        Frame TOKEN-RING
        Frame TOKEN-RING_SNAP
        Protocol IPX	  E0	TOKEN-RING
        Protocol IP	  0800	TOKEN-RING_SNAP
        Protocol ARP	  0806	TOKEN-RING_SNAP
        Protocol RARP  8035	TOKEN-RING_SNAP

Now, when I try to connect to an UNIX Server on the ring using TCP/IP, Kermit comes up with the 
following error message:

Unable to ARP resolve gateway <gateway-address>
Unable to connect to the host
?Cannot start connection

The "show network" command of MSKERMIT shows that TCP/IP port is #23 and using the 
Packet-Driver-interrupt: \0x63. Also, the "check tcp" command comes back as TCP/IP Available.

Kermit is not able to make a connection to the UNIX Server, both from DOS prompt and going through 
 Windows 3.1

However, if the ODIPKT and WINPKT drivers are not loaded through "startnet.bat", then Kermit is 
able to make a successful connection, from DOS prompt, to the UNIX Server. Kermit then is using the 
ODI packet driver.

Any help I can get to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Sreedhar Ramanan
RAMANAN.SREEDHAR@MHS-PFG1.attmail.com

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From: RAMANAN.SREEDHAR@mhs-pfg1.attmail.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit thru Windows over Token-Ring
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HELLO:

I am trying to get Kermit 3.14 to run Windows 3.1 loaded from a Novell Token-Ring Server. I am 
loading both ODIPKT and WINPKT in my "startnet.bat" and have a second frame, Token-Ring_Snap 
for my IP, ARP and RARP protocols in my "net.cfg" file. My files are as follows:

STARTNET.BAT
----------------------------

LSL
TOKEN
ODIPKT 1 99
WINPKT 0x63
IPXODI
VLM



and  NET.CFG
        ---------------

protocol KERMIT
        bind Token

Link Driver TOKEN
        Frame TOKEN-RING
        Frame TOKEN-RING_SNAP
        Protocol IPX	  E0	TOKEN-RING
        Protocol IP	  0800	TOKEN-RING_SNAP
        Protocol ARP	  0806	TOKEN-RING_SNAP
        Protocol RARP  8035	TOKEN-RING_SNAP

Now, when I try to connect to an UNIX Server on the ring using TCP/IP, Kermit comes up with the 
following error message:

Unable to ARP resolve gateway <gateway-address>
Unable to connect to the host
?Cannot start connection

The "show network" command of MSKERMIT shows that TCP/IP port is #23 and using the 
Packet-Driver-interrupt: \0x63. Also, the "check tcp" command comes back as TCP/IP Available.

Kermit is not able to make a connection to the UNIX Server, both from DOS prompt and going through 
 Windows 3.1

However, if the ODIPKT and WINPKT drivers are not loaded through "startnet.bat", then Kermit is 
able to make a successful connection, from DOS prompt, to the UNIX Server. Kermit then is using the 
ODI packet driver.

Any help I can get to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Sreedhar Ramanan
RAMANAN.SREEDHAR@MHS-PFG1.attmail.com

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From: sclaass@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Stephen N. Claassen)
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Subject: Re: 7bit transfer of binary files
Date: 18 Aug 1995 21:14:39 -0700
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Mike Anderson (andersonmb@delphi.com) wrote:
: I have access to Internet by means of a 7 bit line only.  I understand
: that it is possible to use Kermit to transmit binary files using 
: 7 bits.  Can anyone help me set up my Kermit parameters to do this.
--
Kermit on the pc that originates the failed transfers is probably trying
to send the files as binaries.  Make sure your files are truly 7-bit 
ascii files.  Uuencode the files if you can't determine this directly 
because binary files will not transfer over over a 7-bit connection 
without some kind of translation.
Don't worry about changing your data byte size.  If you can maintain a
connection at all, your 7/8 bit setting is fine.  Depending on what kermit
flavor you're running, set the default file type to ascii or text.  That 
option may be in your startup script, on a pull-down menu, or...8:) 
--
steve claassen
-------------------------------
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represent the views of my employer (or anyone else for that matter).


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From: Jose Kirkland <jose_kirkland@email.pitzer.edu>
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Hello, People!

I have a problem (no!) in that we are running a group of Netware servers, 
and are slowly switching most of our folk onto Lan Workplace for the 
tcpip....  Many of them are fairly kermit dependent, though, and whenever 
they have the lanwp tcpip loaded, kermit fritzes out looking for a 
bootpd.

I have the batch which kermit runs from set up to do a tcpip -u whenever 
kermit is trying to start, so that its own stack can play, which 
sometimes works, but if a user has done much since the lanwp stack was 
loaded, say, entered and exited windows, then it can't restore the int 
handler and the tcpip sticks and kermit bails, so an insufficient fix 
ultimately.

So I downloaded the most recent Kermit, which is built to deal with the 
lanwp tcpip, and does so nicely, but the problem is that I have both 
users with and without lanwp, and can't determine how (or whether) I can 
configure kermit to operate with either. I need to make all of this as 
automated as possible, as my users tend to balk at things as complex as 
"cd ..".

Any hints, or anyone who has had to get things set up for a fairly motley 
environment?

Thanks in advance,
Josefa Kirkland
pc/Novell spec
jose@bernard.pitzer.edu



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Date: 19 Aug 1995 13:21:04 GMT
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In article <BpCgDQn.andersonmb@delphi.com>,
Mike Anderson  <andersonmb@delphi.com> wrote:
>I have access to Internet by means of a 7 bit line only.  I understand
>that it is possible to use Kermit to transmit binary files even using 7
>bits.  Can anyone help me set up my Kermit parameters to do this.
>
Yes, it's very simple.  Tell Kermit to "set parity space".  Then you
can transfer binary files.  That's it, period.

For additional information about Kermit, visit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

- Frank



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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit thru Windows over Token-Ring
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In article <412rv1$1fd@legba.synergy.net>, RAMANAN.SREEDHAR@MHS-PFG1.ATTMAIL.COM writes:
> HELLO:
> 
> I am trying to get Kermit 3.14 to run Windows 3.1 loaded from a Novell 
>Token-Ring Server. I am 
> loading both ODIPKT and WINPKT in my "startnet.bat" and have a second frame,
> Token-Ring_Snap 
> for my IP, ARP and RARP protocols in my "net.cfg" file. My files are as 
>follows:
	I have unwrapped your lines; please press the Enter key before
approaching column 80, thanks.

> 
> STARTNET.BAT
> ----------------------------
> 
> LSL
> TOKEN
> ODIPKT 1 99
> WINPKT 0x63
> IPXODI
> VLM
> 
> 
> 
> and  NET.CFG
>         ---------------
> 
> protocol KERMIT
>         bind Token

	There are no alternatives to choose amongst, so you may omit the
two lines above.
 
> Link Driver TOKEN
>         Frame TOKEN-RING
>         Frame TOKEN-RING_SNAP
>         Protocol IPX	  E0	TOKEN-RING
>         Protocol IP	  0800	TOKEN-RING_SNAP
>         Protocol ARP	  0806	TOKEN-RING_SNAP
>         Protocol RARP  8035	TOKEN-RING_SNAP
> 
> Now, when I try to connect to an UNIX Server on the ring using TCP/IP, 
>Kermit comes up with the 
> following error message:
> 
> Unable to ARP resolve gateway <gateway-address>
> Unable to connect to the host
> ?Cannot start connection
> 
> The "show network" command of MSKERMIT shows that TCP/IP port is #23 and 
>using the 
> Packet-Driver-interrupt: \0x63. Also, the "check tcp" command comes back 
>as TCP/IP Available.

	Dan Lanciani may wish to amplify matters here. Basically ODIPKT is
relaying Token-Ring_SNAP frames to the application (Kermit). ODIPKT should
say this on its startup banner. Kermit understands Ethernet and SLIP frames 
but not Token Ring. However, you may run Kermit *directly* over ODI with 
Token-Ring_SNAP frames, but that makes life difficult without winpkt if 
Windows is active (don't do it, or check the "lock application in memory" 
box in Kermit's PIF).
	If ODIPKT reports "class 1" (aka Ethernet II frames) then the problem
is probably in your TCP/IP setup. Class 3 is Token-Ring_SNAP.

        Joe D.

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Folks, I have been using Ckermit on our VAX VMS and transfering files to and
from Telix Kermit.  I have had little trouble except that the transfer is at
200cps.  (I would use MSKermit if I could make it work because Zmodem has 
such a wierd author!)  

But recently Kermit has said "Can't create file" or something like that when it
is told to download.  (Uploads are still the same -- slow but sure) I have done
nothing to the kermit.ini file not to Telix -- indeed I can think of nothing I
have done to the system EXCEPT change from NW7 to MS622.

What does the group think might have happened?  Where do you think I should
look????

Please help poor ol' Jim Green . . . jmgreen@cc.snow.edu 
 

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In article <950820170813.202045ec@cc.snow.edu>,  <JMGREEN@cc.snow.edu> wrote:

: Folks, I have been using Ckermit on our VAX VMS and transfering files to
: and from Telix Kermit.  I have had little trouble except that the
: transfer is at 200cps.  (I would use MSKermit if I could make it work...)
:
I think this is the real question to be answered.  What version of MS-DOS
Kermit do you have and in what way doesn't it work?  It is hard to imagine
a situation in which Telix would work and MS-DOS Kermit would not.
Perhaps if you described your configration, connection, and the nature of
the problem?

- Frank

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I know this doesnt belong in here, but does anyone know where i could get
giflink on the net? i didnt know what group to post in. thanx
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Hello,

I was wondering if anyone could help me with a problem using
the serial port on a compaq aero laptop.

I was trying to hook up the computer with a UPS unit in this
fashion:

UPS--signal converter (home-made)--laptop serial port (DB9)

The computer uses a 16550AF UART chip. 
We use the UPS s/w to talk to the UPS.  The problem is the computer frozed
when I started using the s/w.

My believe is that the converter is sending RS-232C signals
(voltage levels) that might be slightly off the tolerance level
of the UART.

I also noticed when I used kermit (instead of the mfr prog) to
talk to the UPS, I got a msg saying "This port operates through
the BIOS".  I didn't get the msg if I am talking to a modem (external).  
And if I use the Terminal prog under Windows-Apps, the initialization can
fix the prob, and make subsequent progs (like kermit or the mfr prog)
works as it suppose to.  Can someone tell me what sort of initialization
does the Terminal prog use that makes things go right?

I believe it might have something to do with setting the right IRQ,
but I am not sure.

If anyone has a solution, please send me email.

Thanks,

Carrson Fung

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Hi...

I have problems with Ckermit (5A191) for OS/2 on IBM-pentium machines, running 
Warp (danish) and IBM TC/PIP 2.0.

Sometimes (often) kermit freezes, and the only thing to do, is to kill the
session.

The dokumentation mentiones this problem, but I think that I have checked for the
errors mentioned herein.

Is there any minimum CSD-level for both Warp and TCP/IP ???
Would it help to change some buffers somewhere ?? 

Can anyone help ???

Thanks in advance
/hans

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In <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk>, guldager@daimi.aau.dk (Hans Guldager Knudsen) writes:
>Hi...
>
>I have problems with Ckermit (5A191) for OS/2 on IBM-pentium machines, running 
>Warp (danish) and IBM TC/PIP 2.0.
>
>Sometimes (often) kermit freezes, and the only thing to do, is to kill the
>session.
>
>The dokumentation mentiones this problem, but I think that I have checked for the
>errors mentioned herein.
>
>Is there any minimum CSD-level for both Warp and TCP/IP ???
>Would it help to change some buffers somewhere ?? 
>
>Can anyone help ???
>
>Thanks in advance
>/hans
>
>--
>Hans Guldager Knudsen               |  Finsensgade 51, 4 mf

I have this problem too. When I telnet over to the unix machines using kermit,
kermit occaisonally freezes and I have to kill kermit. I have not been able to 
reproduce it at will which is why I haven't reported it. Note that this is distinct
from having my whole machine freeze which happens reasonably often when I have
my modem set to autoanswer!

Jayant Murthy
murthy@pha.jhu.edu


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Subject: OS/2 C-Kermit, SLiRP, and telnet
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Since I've moved on campus, I've been using a DOV unit on the Xyplex
server.  I've been trying to get SLiRP to work, and most things work
fine (I'm able to read news, browse the web, etc.), but perhaps the
most important thing, telnet, does not work.  It doesn't matter if I
use C-Kermit's telnet, OS/2 telnet, or whatever.

Over the summer, when I was dialing in to the Physics Computer
Network's Annex server, everything worked fine, so it seems to point
to the Xyplex server.

I've tried "set session passall."  Actually, I've tried everything in
the Xyplex's manual.  I've also tried every configuration of flow
control, prefixing, etc. (including the most holy 255).

Please help.  SLIP is great, but it won't be complete without telnet.

Thanks,
Andy

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <41ce7c$ae9@news.jhu.edu>,  <murthy@pha.jhu.edu> wrote:
: In <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk>, guldager@daimi.aau.dk (Hans Guldager Knudsen) writes:
: >I have problems with Ckermit (5A191) for OS/2 on IBM-pentium machines,
: >running Warp (danish) and IBM TC/PIP 2.0.
: >
: >Sometimes (often) kermit freezes, and the only thing to do, is to kill the
: >session.
: 
: I have this problem too. When I telnet over to the unix machines using
: kermit, kermit occaisonally freezes and I have to kill kermit. I have not
: been able to reproduce it at will which is why I haven't reported it. Note
: that this is distinct from having my whole machine freeze which happens
: reasonably often when I have my modem set to autoanswer!
: 
If this happens when Kermit is in terminal (CONNECT) mode,
the first thing to try is Alt-r (RESET).

Explanation: perhaps Kermit has received an APC, DCS, or other escape
sequence which introduces a string of arbitrary length, which must be
terminated by another escape sequence called ST (String Terminator).
Now if an APC, DCS, etc, shows up by accident -- e.g. as garbage, or
because of a terminal-type or character-set mismatch, then Kermit will
wait forever for the ST that isn't coming, and will therefore appear to
be hung.  Solution: RESET the terminal emulator with ST.

This is not, by the way, a shortcoming of Kermit -- it's exactly how VT220
and VT320 terminals work.  And, unlike the real terminals, Kermit *does*
give you a reset button :-)

- Frank

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From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
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tan@hillae.com (Tan Bronson) wrote:


>	We've started trying to talk to some modems on a terminal server
>using kermit. We can telnet to the modem, but when we send a dial string 
>it would appear that we're getting more than just a CR when we type a CR.

Tan,

CKermit has the command: set terminal newline-mode [on, off] (convert CR to
CRLF)

I quote from "Using CKermit" ... "Normally OFF. Don't use this one unless
your CONNECT-mode screens look loke they need it. The normal indications are
that the remote host does not respond to your commands, or that your
commands over-write one another."

And MSKermit has: set terminal newline [on, off]

From "Using MS-DOS Kermit" ... "Normally when you press the Enter Key,
Kermit sends a carriage return only. SET TERMINAL NEWLINE ON makes it send
both a carriage return and linefeed, which is useful in PC-to-PC
communications.

Perhaps you've got it turned on. If this is not the case, please supply more
information about the undesired effects.

 - Vince

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   Syracuse University Mathematics
   vefatica@syr.edu
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I can think of two things to try:

If you're using a version of SLiRP older than 0.9o, upgrade to 0.95e.
If you're using SLiRP 0.95e, try using 0.9o instead.

If neither of these work you might want to ask over on alt.dcom.slip-emulators.

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When using the standard .kermrc file (ckermit.ini) I find that the
built in Macro UNIXLOGIN is not being set. If I do a show macros
I get the following output:

Macros:

_dialdir = /home/tapir/broezell/.kdd

_forx = _assign _for\v(cmdlevel) { _getargs,-
 define \\\%1 \%2,-
 :top,-
 if \%5 \\\%1 \%3 goto bot,-
 \%6,-
 :inc,-
 incr \\\%1 \%4,-
 goto top,-
 :bot,-
 _putargs},-
 def break goto bot,-
 def continue goto inc,-
 do _for\v(cmdlevel) \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 { \%5 },-
 _assign _for\v(cmdlevel)

_myinit = /home/tapir/broezell/.mykermrc

_send = asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),-
if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},-
 if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,-
 else send \%1

_servicedir = /home/tapir/broezell/.ksd

_while = _assign _whi\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,-
 :inc,-
 \%1,-
 \%2,-
 goto inc,-
 :bot,-
 _putargs},-
 _def break goto bot,-
 _def continue goto inc,-
 do _whi\v(cmdlevel),-
 _assign _whi\v(cmdlevel)

_xif = _assign _if\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,-
 \%1,-
 _putargs},-
 do _if\v(cmdlevel),-
_assign _if\v(cmdlevel)

access = echo { Services directory not available.}

bget = remote set file type binary,-
 if success get \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8

binary = set file type binary

bsend = binary,-
 _send \%1 \%2

edit = if = \v(argc) 2 assign myfile \%1,-
 if not def myfile echo Edit what?,-
 else run \m(myeditor) \m(myfile)

fast = ech FAST file transfer settings - use at your own risk...,-
 set win 5,-
 set rec packet 5000,-
 set contr u all,-
 set con p 0 1 3 13 17 19 129 141 145 147

fatal = if def \%1 echo \%1,-
if not = \v(local) 0 hangup,-
 stop 1

ibm-linemode = set parity mark,-
 set dupl half,-
 set handsh xon,-
 set flow none

list = echo { Services directory not available.}

myeditor = vi

myfile = .kermrc

pcget = apc server,-
 msleep 200,-
 if not eq "\v(ftype)" "" remote set file type \v(ftype),-
 xif def \%2 {     get,-
 \%1,-
 \%2,-
 asg _tmp \v(status)   } else {     get \%1,-
 asg _tmp \v(status)   },-
fin,-  
 end \m(_tmp)

pcsend = asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),-
 if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},-
 set delay 1,-
 apc receive,-
 if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,-
 else send \%1

robust = set win 1,-
 set rec packet 90,-
 set con p all

text = set file type text

tget = remote set file type text,-
 if success get \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8

tsend = text,-
 _send \%1 \%2

vtprint = echo \27[5i,-
type \%1,-
 echo \27[4i





Entering UNIXLOGIN gives the following:

?No keywords match - unixlogin

Am I doing something wrong here?

Thanks

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I'm trying to transfer files from one PC to another.  I set up PC A as a
server as described in "Using MS-DOS Kermit."  When I dial in from PC B,
as soon as the two modems connect, PC A drops out of server mode and
goes back to command line mode.  This makes it impossible to transfer files.

Perhaps there's a control character that PC B is sending to PC A that's
causing the latter to drop out of server mode?  This doesn't happen when
I use PC B as a server and dial in from PC A.

PC A has a Best Data 14.4 Smart One modem and PC B has a US Robotics
Sportster 14.4 modem and I'm using the appropriate .scr files for both.
I guess I should check if ctl-C or alt-X are escaped?  Or could it be
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I have a HP200LX and a C-Kermit 5A(190) running on a NeXT

Can anybody tell me how I deal with CR/LF translation? 

ie. I want LF to translate to CR/LF.

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Roger Cornelius (rac@digital.net) wrote:
: I'm using mskermit 3.14 on an IBM clone with set term type wyse50 to
: connect to a UNIX system.  Kermit's wy50 emulation doesn't appear
: to include stdout mode, or at least I can't figure out how to get

I don't use the wy50 mode personally, but it is in use in my office.  The
people who use it are quite impressed with the highlighting and colors that
appear, in what ProcommPlus for Windows treated as a monochrome adventure.

Perhaps your wy50 terminfo needs some tuning.
I think I have a stock ESIX SVR4.0.4 system, but someone might have made
changes.

	Send email for some followup.
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robertn@seahawk.nwest.mccaw.com (Robert Nicholson) writes:

>I have a HP200LX and a C-Kermit 5A(190) running on a NeXT

>Can anybody tell me how I deal with CR/LF translation? 

>ie. I want LF to translate to CR/LF.

Don't quote me on this, but you may want to check out the SET TERMINAL
CR-DISPLAY and/or SET TERMINAL NEWLINE-MODE commands.  As the help
says, "Type SHOW TERMINAL to see current terminal settings."
-- 
font@mcs.net                              Wishes are like dishes.

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From: eco891950@ecostat.aau.dk (CHRISTIAN WOUNLUND)
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Subject: MS-Kermit ?
Date: 23 Aug 95 10:01:13 GMT
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Where can I download MS-kermit ? (FTP)

And what is the latest version?

Thanks

Chr. Wounlund

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From: bp469@freenet.buffalo.edu (Nathan G. Finstuen)
Subject: Where can I find individual Kermit files??
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Where can I find MSKERMIT.INI and MSCUSTOM.INI without having to download 
the whole file again.  As you can probably figure out, I screwed them up 
trying to tweak them out! :(

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From: murthy@pha.jhu.edu
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In <41cq17$qei@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>In article <41ce7c$ae9@news.jhu.edu>,  <murthy@pha.jhu.edu> wrote:
>: In <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk>, guldager@daimi.aau.dk (Hans Guldager Knudsen) writes:
>: >I have problems with Ckermit (5A191) for OS/2 on IBM-pentium machines,
>: >running Warp (danish) and IBM TC/PIP 2.0.
>: >
>: >Sometimes (often) kermit freezes, and the only thing to do, is to kill the
>: >session.
>: 
>: I have this problem too. When I telnet over to the unix machines using
>: kermit, kermit occaisonally freezes and I have to kill kermit. I have not
>: been able to reproduce it at will which is why I haven't reported it. Note
>: that this is distinct from having my whole machine freeze which happens
>: reasonably often when I have my modem set to autoanswer!
>: 
>If this happens when Kermit is in terminal (CONNECT) mode,
>the first thing to try is Alt-r (RESET).
>
>- Frank

Again, this works sometimes but not always.


Jayant Murthy
murthy@pha.jhu.edu


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From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)
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In article <DDprzs.95q@hillae.com>, tan@hillae.com (Tan Bronson) writes:
>	We've started trying to talk to some modems on a terminal server
>using kermit. We can telnet to the modem, but when we send a dial string 
>it would appear that we're getting more than just a CR when we type a CR.
>
>	Can this be controled from kermit?
>	Is this a telnet parameter?

Try
   SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE RAW

Regards,
   Christoph Gartmann

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From: win@incom.rhein-main.de (Winfried Koenig)
Subject: Help, can't use 'kermit -l file_descriptor'
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I use C-Kermit cku190 compiled with "make unixwarenetc" and want to
start kermit with an open file descriptor. If I use

    kermit -l 6 -m unknown -Y -g xxx
    or
    kermit -b 19200 -l 6 -m unknown -Y -g xxx

kermit response is "Sorry, you must 'set speed' first". If I use

    kermit -l 6 -b 19200 -m unknown -Y -g xxx

the response is "unsupported transmission rate". I also tryed to use
some different init files (with -y option) but had no success.

I call kermit with the open descriptor, from a perl script which has to
handle login, menu, lookup for files, renaming ... on the remote host.
The remote host does not run Unix has an very limited version of kermit.

Any help would be useful.

Winfried

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From: kwstreet@io.org (Kevin W Street)
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Subject: telnet arrow keys and vi
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I'm using the OS/2 version of C-Kermit 5A(191).  I'm having trouble with
the way that the arrow keys are being interpreted by vi when telneted to
a UNIX session via a slip link.  I'm using VT220 (VT100 and 102 do the
same).  If I 'set key \584 \KupArr' then vi is seeing the <esc>OA stream
as <esc> - go to command mode
    O - open a line
    A - insert the letter A

If I do 'set key \584 \{27}OA' I get the same thing.  

However if I do:
    define UpArrNew out \{27}OA, connect
    set key \584 \KUpArrNew
then vi works correctly but the screen flashes back to kermit command mode
momentarily.

I take it that there is a delay between characters with \KupArr that I'm avoiding
with the macro.  Any suggestions how to get the normal terminal emulation
to work properly?   (or how to make the sceen not flash if I have to use the 
macro).
--
kwstreet@io.org
Kevin W Street


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit ?
Date: 24 Aug 1995 13:26:11 GMT
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In article <1995Aug23.100113@ecostat>,
CHRISTIAN WOUNLUND <eco891950@ecostat.aau.dk> wrote:
>Where can I download MS-kermit ? (FTP)
>
>And what is the latest version?
>
The best place to find out answers to questions like this is our
Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

The latest version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14:

  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
  directory kermit/archives,
  binary mode,
  file msvibm.zip.

If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you
want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of
your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other
file you might have modified.

Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to
preserve the directory structure.  Then read the top-level READ.ME
file for further installation instructions.

For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please
purchase the manual:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York NY  10025-7721
    USA
    Voice: +1 212 854-3703
    Fax:   +1 212 663-8202
    Email: kermit@columbia.edu
    Web:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn
  on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada,
		       Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time)
    +1 617 928 2613   (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info)
    +44 1933 414000   (Rushden, England distribution centre for
		       UK & Europe)
    +44 1865 310366   (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept)
    +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ)
    +65 356-1968      (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore,
		       Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand)
    +27 (31) 2683111  (Durban office for South Africa)

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Help, can't use 'kermit -l file_descriptor'
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In article <DDsBoM.KrJ@in.rhein-main.de>,
Winfried Koenig <win@in.rhein-main.de> wrote:
: I use C-Kermit cku190 compiled with "make unixwarenetc" and want to
: start kermit with an open file descriptor. If I use
: 
:     kermit -l 6 -m unknown -Y -g xxx
:     or
:     kermit -b 19200 -l 6 -m unknown -Y -g xxx
: 
: kermit response is "Sorry, you must 'set speed' first". If I use
: 
:     kermit -l 6 -b 19200 -m unknown -Y -g xxx
: 
: the response is "unsupported transmission rate". I also tryed to use
: some different init files (with -y option) but had no success.
: 
: I call kermit with the open descriptor, from a perl script which has to
: handle login, menu, lookup for files, renaming ... on the remote host.
: The remote host does not run Unix has an very limited version of kermit.
: 
Kermit's own script language could handle all this, too, probably easier
and better than Perl script, but, to answer your question, Kermit assumes
that when you invoke it with an open file descriptor, that the device
(which could be anything, not just a tty port) has already been set up
as desired and the connection has already been made.

Thus there is no need to include the "-m modem-type" option.  Try leaving
it out.

- Frank

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I'm looking to batch download files from our mainframe.  We have
kermit for the mainframe and I know there's an ftp site at
columbia, but what kermit files do I need to start.  The machine
will be a pc running windows or dos if need be.

Thanks,
Tom


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From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong)
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Subject: Kermit + TCP/IP
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Hi,

Thanks to all who replied to my earlier message regarding connecting
PCs to a Vax computer via TCP/IP.

One of your suppliers is supplying us a NE2000 compatible NIC. Apparently
we are unable to connect the PC to the Vax when using this card. The error
message we get is:
  
  Cannot access IP type packets
  Unable to initialise TCP/IP system, quitting.
  ?Cannot start the connection.

When we replaced the card with the 3COM Etherlink II/TPs, no problem.
The NET.CFG looks something like this:

	Link Support
		Buffers 8 1500
		MemPool 4096
		Max Boards 4
		Max Stacks 4

	Link Driver 3c503
		Port 300
		INT 5
		FRAME ETHERNET_II
		FRAME ETHERNET_802.2
		PROTOCOL IPX    E0 ETHERNET_802.2
		PROTOCOL IP    800 ETHERNET_II
		PROTOCOL ARP   806 ETHERNET_II
		PROTOCOL RARP 8035 ETHERNET_II

	Link Driver NE2000
		Port 300
		INT 3
		FRAME ETHERNET_II
		FRAME ETHERNET_802.2
		PROTOCOL IPX 8137 ETHERNET_II
		PROTOCOL IP 800 ETHERNET_II
		PROTOCOL ARP 806 ETHERNET_II
		PROTOCOL RARP 8035 ETHERNET_II

	Netware DOS Requester
		Preferred Server="HQFS1"
		Name Context=".CSD.SMRT"
		First Network Drive=F
		Netware Protocol=NDS BIND

Thanks in advance.

Robert
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From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong)
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Further to my previous post, the NIC is the Mitron LX2000/T series.

Thanks

Robert

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From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong)
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Subject: Re: Kermit + TCP/IP
Date: 23 Aug 1995 08:29:42 GMT
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Aaarrgghhh!   It's me again!   We also have a few DEC EtherWORKS Turbo
TP cards. We get the same problem.

Regards

Robert

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From: palexiou@silas.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr P Alexiou)
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Subject saids it all.

An NT port with the identical functionality of the feature-packed OS/2
version would be great.

Is any port being planned ?


Thanks.




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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit + TCP/IP
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In article <41encq$1pl@raffles.technet.sg>, onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks to all who replied to my earlier message regarding connecting
> PCs to a Vax computer via TCP/IP.
> 
> One of your suppliers is supplying us a NE2000 compatible NIC. Apparently
> we are unable to connect the PC to the Vax when using this card. The error
> message we get is:
>   
>   Cannot access IP type packets
>   Unable to initialise TCP/IP system, quitting.
>   ?Cannot start the connection.
> 
> When we replaced the card with the 3COM Etherlink II/TPs, no problem.
> The NET.CFG looks something like this:

	Your NET.CFG file looks ok to me. However, in case no one has
pointed out a soft spot let me indicate that IRQ 3 is used by COM2 and
hence cannot coexist with the network board. Please check for hardware
conflicts.
	In addition, not all NE-2000 clones are created equal, and as they 
say, some are more equal than others.
	The overall point is the lan driver may not load properly because
of hardware conflicts or the board does not match the driver. In such
cases Kermit (and IPXODI for that matter) will be unable to find a board
and declare errors such as you cite. Hints on loading are often displayed
as the MLID (board driver) is loading; they can be redirected to a log
file by   > filename  appended to the loading command. Here is an example
of what I mean:

@echo off
set nwlanguage=ENGLISH
c:\qemm\loadhi /r:2 c:\nwclient\lsl.com  >startup.log
c:\qemm\loadhi /r:2 c:\nwclient\ne3200.com >>startup.log
c:\qemm\loadhi /r:2 c:\nwclient\ipxodi /d  >>startup.log
c:\nwclient\vlm /mX /v4 /c=c:\nwclient\net.cfg >>startup.log
@echo on

	Further, the MLID itself can report on its state by reinvoking
it with a  /S  argument, such as  ne3200 /s   shown below:

Novell NE3200 Ethernet MLID  v2.04 (950405)
(C) Copyright 1991 - 1995 Novell, Inc.  All Rights Reserved.

The following LAN drivers are loaded in memory:

Novell NE3200 Ethernet  v2.04 is loaded at Segment D7F9h.
Slot 6, IRQ 5, Port 6000, Node Address 1B16A7D4 L
Max Frame 1514 bytes, Line Speed 10 Mbps, Bus ID 2
Board 1, Frame ETHERNET_II, LSB Mode
Board 2, Frame ETHERNET_802.3, LSB Mode
Board 3, Frame ETHERNET_802.2, LSB Mode
Board 4, Frame ETHERNET_SNAP, LSB Mode

(I have four frame kinds loaded for experimental purposes; only one,
Ethernet_II, is needed and recommended for general use.) Reinvokation
this way does not install a second instance of the driver, so this is
a safe test.
	Finally, if you have another TCP/IP stack operating over the
same board then the same error message will be produced. The rule is
only one protocol stack of the same kind over one board.
	Joe D.
  
> 	Link Support
> 		Buffers 8 1500
> 		MemPool 4096
> 		Max Boards 4
> 		Max Stacks 4
> 
> 	Link Driver 3c503
> 		Port 300
> 		INT 5
> 		FRAME ETHERNET_II
> 		FRAME ETHERNET_802.2
> 		PROTOCOL IPX    E0 ETHERNET_802.2
> 		PROTOCOL IP    800 ETHERNET_II
> 		PROTOCOL ARP   806 ETHERNET_II
> 		PROTOCOL RARP 8035 ETHERNET_II
> 
> 	Link Driver NE2000
> 		Port 300
> 		INT 3
> 		FRAME ETHERNET_II
> 		FRAME ETHERNET_802.2
> 		PROTOCOL IPX 8137 ETHERNET_II
> 		PROTOCOL IP 800 ETHERNET_II
> 		PROTOCOL ARP 806 ETHERNET_II
> 		PROTOCOL RARP 8035 ETHERNET_II
> 
> 	Netware DOS Requester
> 		Preferred Server="HQFS1"
> 		Name Context=".CSD.SMRT"
> 		First Network Drive=F
> 		Netware Protocol=NDS BIND
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Robert
> --
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> |  Computer Services Department         onglc@technet.sg         |
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Date: 25 Aug 1995 12:31:53 GMT
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In article <41j92f$9pe@silas.cc.monash.edu.au>,
Mr P Alexiou <palexiou@silas.cc.monash.edu.au> wrote:
: An NT port with the identical functionality of the feature-packed
: OS/2 version would be great.
:
Yes.  Watch this space for announcements.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: PC dropping out of server mode on connect
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In article <41dj6o$8kg@netapp.netapp.com>, Varun Mehta <varun@netapp.com> writes:
> I'm trying to transfer files from one PC to another.  I set up PC A as a
> server as described in "Using MS-DOS Kermit."  When I dial in from PC B,
> as soon as the two modems connect, PC A drops out of server mode and
> goes back to command line mode.  This makes it impossible to transfer files.
> 
> Perhaps there's a control character that PC B is sending to PC A that's
> causing the latter to drop out of server mode?  This doesn't happen when
> I use PC B as a server and dial in from PC A.
> 
> PC A has a Best Data 14.4 Smart One modem and PC B has a US Robotics
> Sportster 14.4 modem and I'm using the appropriate .scr files for both.
> I guess I should check if ctl-C or alt-X are escaped?  Or could it be

	Alt-x is not a control code and has no ASCII representation.
	Try SET DEBUG ON and/or LOG PACKETS to see what the answering
modem is sending to Kermit.
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <41gokc$g6p@ionews.io.org>, Kevin W Street <kwstreet@io.org> wrote:
: I'm using the OS/2 version of C-Kermit 5A(191).  I'm having trouble with
: the way that the arrow keys are being interpreted by vi when telneted to
: a UNIX session via a slip link.  I'm using VT220 (VT100 and 102 do the
: same).  If I 'set key \584 \KupArr' then vi is seeing the <esc>OA stream
: as <esc> - go to command mode
:     O - open a line
:     A - insert the letter A
: 
: If I do 'set key \584 \{27}OA' I get the same thing.  
: 
: However if I do:
:     define UpArrNew out \{27}OA, connect
:     set key \584 \KUpArrNew
: then vi works correctly but the screen flashes back to kermit command mode
: momentarily.
: 
: I take it that there is a delay between characters with \KupArr that I'm
: avoiding with the macro.  Any suggestions how to get the normal terminal
: emulation to work properly?  (or how to make the sceen not flash if I
: have to use the macro).  -- kwstreet@io.org Kevin W Street
: 
This would be a bug.  Evidently you have discovered the workaround :-)

It will be fixed in the next release.

- Frank

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Keywords: Kermit bye finish




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From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
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CHRISTIAN WOUNLUND (eco891950@ecostat.aau.dk) wrote:
: Where can I download MS-kermit ? (FTP)

: And what is the latest version?

: Chr. Wounlund

   Filename: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/msvibm.zip

   Version: 3.14, 21 May 1995.

-- 
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From: bobd@omni.voicenet.com (Bob Dougherty)
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I use MS-Kermit on a PC to dial into "Host A", where I have a shell account.
From there, I telnet to "Host B".  Is it possible to transfer files 
between the PC and Host B, in one apparent hop?  Host B has kermit
but when I try putting it in server mode I can't transfer files.

TIA,


-- 
Bob Dougherty                                     I speaks fer meselfk
bobd@omni.voicenet.com                            And not no one elsek.

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In article <41otv0$or4@omni.voicenet.com>,
Bob Dougherty <bobd@omni.voicenet.com> wrote:
>I use MS-Kermit on a PC to dial into "Host A", where I have a shell account.
>From there, I telnet to "Host B".  Is it possible to transfer files 
>between the PC and Host B, in one apparent hop?  Host B has kermit
>but when I try putting it in server mode I can't transfer files.
>
Yes.  Just tell Kermit to "set parity space".  Use short packets, small
windows, don't unprefix control characters; if that works, then work up until
you achieve peak performance.

Or use "rlogin -8" rather than TELNET.

- Frank

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I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 on an IBM-Clone to give me a console on a Unix
mainframe. The theory is that if the mainframe dies, pre-death messages
will still be stored in the PC's session log.

So what I need is a way to make the session log wrap around (or swap logfiles)
when it reaches (say) 5000 lines.  Does anyone have a way of doing this on
the fly?

I am aware that some of what I need is covered through screen rollback - but
the PC is a VERY ancient 286 (!) with limited memory - and if I retain more
than about 16 pages, I don't have enough memory to do 'run' commands from
within kermit (actually kermite). Besides, if the power dies, rollback gets
lost.

Any suggestions welcome!  Thanks ..

Graham Jenkins   TABCORP   Melbourne, Australia   grahamj@gkja.melbpc.org.au


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Where's the best place to get the latest C-Kermit for OS/2? The copy at 
ftp.cdrom.com is build 190, and at hobbes they totally took it off the 
archive...

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In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.950826180221.12072A-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>,
Roadside Attraction  <honge@creighton.edu> wrote:
: Where's the best place to get the latest C-Kermit for OS/2? The copy at 
: ftp.cdrom.com is build 190, and at hobbes they totally took it off the 
: archive...
:
The one and only official ftp site for Kermit software is
kermit.columbia.edu.  The OS/2 version is in kermit/archives, binary
mode, file cko190.zip.  Unzip, install, go from there.

- Frank

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From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith)
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Subject: "set carrier"
Date: 24 Aug 1995 13:23:01 -0700
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In article <40r8bq$bmo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>  set carrier off
>  output ATZ\13
>  set carrier auto

I recommend that the keyword be changed in the next release, from "carrier"
to "carrier-watch".  This would make it a little more obvious that the
"set carrier-watch on" command does not turn CD on or off; it tells KERMIT
whether or not to pay attention to the Carrier Detect signal that comes from
the modem.

	-Joe
-- 
Joe Smith        MCI Data Services Div, Product Tech Support (TYMNET Code Gen)
<jms@tymnet.com> 2560 N 1st St, MS-5046/746, San Jose, CA 95131 (408)922-6220
CA license plate: "POPJ P," 36-bits forever! (4 Tymshare PDP-10s still going!)
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From: Roadside Attraction <honge@creighton.edu>
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Subject: Screen mode on C-Kermit OS/2 help
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I used build 190 for about a week before I installed build 191 (which I 
got yesterday). I was enjoying 132x43 screen with build 190, which I set 
at ur... the command mode (whatever that mode is -- the initial mode -- 
whatever)? And when I type CONNECT after DIALing -- there it is.

But after I installed build 191, I found that this trick doesn't work 
anymore. Does build 191 support anything other than 80x25 or has the 
support/bug been taken out?

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From: Roadside Attraction <honge@creighton.edu>
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Subject: C-Kermit transfer speed
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 22:35:25 -0500
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Is there any reason that the kermit transfer at 14.4 is about the same as 
Z-modem transfer at 9600?

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Screen mode on C-Kermit OS/2 help
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In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.950827204355.24891A-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>,
Roadside Attraction  <honge@creighton.edu> wrote:
>I used build 190 for about a week before I installed build 191 (which I 
>got yesterday). I was enjoying 132x43 screen with build 190, which I set 
>at ur... the command mode (whatever that mode is -- the initial mode -- 
>whatever)? And when I type CONNECT after DIALing -- there it is.
>
>But after I installed build 191, I found that this trick doesn't work 
>anymore. Does build 191 support anything other than 80x25 or has the 
>support/bug been taken out?


Please read the CKERMIT.INF file that comes with 191 and you will find
that as of 191, C-Kermit has built-in support for a wide variety of 
screen widths and heights.  By building this into the program we are 
able to respond to host initiated screen mode changes and report user
initiated changes to the host via Telnet NAWS.

SET TERMINAL { WIDTH, HEIGHT } 



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): 
   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip 
   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit transfer speed
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In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.950827223308.7671A-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>,
Roadside Attraction  <honge@creighton.edu> wrote:
>Is there any reason that the kermit transfer at 14.4 is about the same as 
>Z-modem transfer at 9600?
>
Depends on the Kermit implementation and how it's tuned.

Please read the Kermit FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: File transfer through shell account?
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In article <41otv0$or4@omni.voicenet.com>, bobd@omni.voicenet.com (Bob Dougherty) writes:
> I use MS-Kermit on a PC to dial into "Host A", where I have a shell account.
> From there, I telnet to "Host B".  Is it possible to transfer files 
> between the PC and Host B, in one apparent hop?  Host B has kermit
> but when I try putting it in server mode I can't transfer files.
--------
	Think of matters this way. Host A is running an interactive
shell for your PC to Host A communications link, and bytes going to
or from that shell move along the wire to your PC. If you run a program
(say telnet) on Host A bytes still move the same way. Now, after logging
into Host B you put Kermit in server mode on it. You should be able
to "escape back" (that means on the PC, ALT-x to get the MSK prompt)
and issue get/send etc commands to that server Kermit. The gotcha may
be the Host A part is not transparent to material having control
codes such as Control-A (start of packet) and Control-M (carriage
return, end of packet) which are Kermit packet delimiters.
	Basically this ought to work IF the Kermit on Host B can
talk down the telnet connection. So check the Host B part and maybe
you will be in luck.
	Joe D.

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From: bobd@omni.voicenet.com (Bob Dougherty)
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Subject: Re: File transfer through shell account?
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In article <1995Aug27.200953.59876@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
(snip...)
>and issue get/send etc commands to that server Kermit. The gotcha may
>be the Host A part is not transparent to material having control
>codes such as Control-A (start of packet) and Control-M (carriage

Joe:  Thanks for your reply (you too, Frank!).  I followed your advice and
managed to do some xfers through not one but 2 intermediate hosts!

The problem was Joe's 'gotcha':  I was originally using the 'screen' 
program on one of the in-the-middle hosts.  Control-A is screen's escape
character! Once I eliminated 'screen', I was able to transfer via Kermit.

Trouble is, I'd like to keep using 'screen'.  Next time, I'll use its
command-line option to change its escape character.
-- 
Bob Dougherty                                     I speaks fer meselfk
bobd@omni.voicenet.com                            And not no one elsek.

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From: schenke@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Richard Schenke)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: telnet arrow keys and vi
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In article <41gokc$g6p@ionews.io.org>, Kevin W Street <kwstreet@io.org> wrote:
>I'm using the OS/2 version of C-Kermit 5A(191).  I'm having trouble with
>the way that the arrow keys are being interpreted by vi when telneted to
>a UNIX session via a slip link.  I'm using VT220 (VT100 and 102 do the
>same).  If I 'set key \584 \KupArr' then vi is seeing the <esc>OA stream
>as <esc> - go to command mode
>    O - open a line
>    A - insert the letter A
>
I had the same problem with true dumb terminals, not emulations.
I don't remember the details, but we found several workarounds:
1) try to use h, j, k and l for cursor movement instead of the
  arrow keys,
2) See if the Unix administrator can provide for a time delay after
receiving ESC.  I don't remember if this was a system-level setting or
a user option for vi.  It causes the host to wait for more
incoming characters before acting on an escape.
3) change your terminal emulation setting to send ESC [ A instead
of ESC O A.  Better yet, use 8-bit control if you can, so the
emulation will send #8F=SS3 instead of ESC O, and #9B=CSI instead
of ESC [.

>If I do 'set key \584 \{27}OA' I get the same thing.  
>
>However if I do:
>    define UpArrNew out \{27}OA, connect
>    set key \584 \KUpArrNew
>then vi works correctly but the screen flashes back to kermit command mode
>momentarily.
>
>I take it that there is a delay between characters with \KupArr that I'm avoiding
>with the macro.  Any suggestions how to get the normal terminal emulation
>to work properly?   (or how to make the sceen not flash if I have to use the 
>macro).

  No matter how fast Kermit sends the characters, if you go through
protocol translations on the way to your host, the ESC may get
split into a different block from the rest of the command, and the
arrival times may exceed the host's delay time.  If you set the delay
time really long, it will take a long time for the 'naked' ESC for ending
input mode to be acted on.  You may include your edit keystrokes as text.

(We were first using Televideo 955 terminals, and the arrow keys sent
control characters.  Then we got Beehive vt100 clones and started seeing
this problem.  Our resident Unix guru worked the details.)
===
Richard Schenke

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From: lgreene@omnifest.uwm.edu (Laura Greene)
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Subject: accessing a serial device on UNIX -- HELP!
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Here's hoping a kermit/serial device guru can help.

I have been trying to access a serial device via unix.  (HP-UX, actually).

I need to send a "connect" string, and then go into an infinite loop,
receiving and processing, a char at a time.  (this device sends me
a packet of about 64 bits/minute.

my problem is that when I have sent the string, my next read fails.
I have tried forking, and having one device read and one write, but
the read either hangs completely, or GIVES ME THE STRING THAT I SENT IN,
and nothing else.  However, when I reset the modem, while the program
continues to run, everything is cool, and I can do all my reads (though
of course, I had not sent my connect string).

I have enabled CREAD via ioctl(),  and I have what I think is a fairly
raw device.  so what do I need to do to get the read to work following
a write?

I have the C-Kermit source, and hacked that down to 1000 lines, and
can't see that it is doing anything besides non-blocking IO.

I thought that I might have to flash DTR or something, but that wasn't it,
nor was putting forks in various places.


Anybody got any ideas?  I suppose its possible that my fork is not in
the right place, forking before or after I actually open the device....


help!  I'm confused!  it can't be that hard to do what I want to do!
thanks!

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From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
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Subject: INT14 drivers under MS-Windows?
Date: 28 Aug 1995 19:12:16 +0930
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This isn't specifically an MS-Kermit question, but does
MS-Windows 3.1 need to be told anything about COM1 when
using a 3rd party INT14h driver that appears to be BIOS
port 1?

-- 
Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 
              arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au
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From: ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead)
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Subject: Kermit Waiting ...
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I've a Kermit .ini file on a PC (3.14) which automatically LOGS IN to a VAX,
kicks of a (fairly) long job, and then GETs the job's output through a SERVER
command on the VAX.

The VAX job can take 1 minute (optimal) or 10 minutes (backup running)

VAX KERMIT is kicked off in SERVER mode as soon as it finishes.

My .INI commands are
output \64LONGJOB\13     ; @LONGJOB
input 9999 machine.      ; get the "machine." prompts 
input   10 machine.      ; from VAX KERMIT
get OUTPUTFL.DAT         ; get the VAX output

what happens is that I get the File Transfer screen showing WHILE THE VAX JOB
IS STILL RUNNING, and the File Transfer process falls over for retries.

Am I doing something wrong.

LONGJOB.COM finishes up with
$ KERMIT SERVER ! KERMIT is a symbol - $SYS$SYSTEM:KERMIT

thanks
Eoin Bairead
Dublin
Ireland



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit Waiting ...
Date: 29 Aug 1995 12:53:37 GMT
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In article <41ur8a$4ns@news.Ieunet.ie>,
Eoin Bairead <ebairead@login.ieunet.ie> wrote:
: I've a Kermit .ini file on a PC (3.14) which automatically LOGS IN to a
: VAX, kicks of a (fairly) long job, and then GETs the job's output
: through a SERVER command on the VAX.
: 
: The VAX job can take 1 minute (optimal) or 10 minutes (backup running)
: 
: VAX KERMIT is kicked off in SERVER mode as soon as it finishes.
: 
: My .INI commands are
: output \64LONGJOB\13     ; @LONGJOB
: input 9999 machine.      ; get the "machine." prompts 
: input   10 machine.      ; from VAX KERMIT
: get OUTPUTFL.DAT         ; get the VAX output
: 
: what happens is that I get the File Transfer screen showing WHILE THE
: VAX JOB IS STILL RUNNING, and the File Transfer process falls over for
: retries.
: 
: Am I doing something wrong.
: 
You need to handle failures after each INPUT statement, for example:

  INPUT 9999 machine
  IF FAIL STOP 1 Failed - No Kermit server within 9999 seconds.

9999 seconds is 166 minutes, which should be more than ample time.
On the off-chance that some counter is overflowing, maybe you could get
by with a smaller number, like 1000, which would be 16 minutes.

More likely, however, something interfered with Kermit during the long
INPUT wait.  Maybe you touched the keyboard, or maybe something is
messing with your PC's timer chip.  You can add all sorts of debugging
capacity to your script to narrow down what is happening, for example:

  ECHO Long INPUT begins at \v(time)
  INPUT 1000 machine
  IF FAIL STOP 1 Failed - No Kermit server at \v(time)

: LONGJOB.COM finishes up with
: $ KERMIT SERVER ! KERMIT is a symbol - $SYS$SYSTEM:KERMIT
: 
I'd also recommend you convert from Kermit-32 to C-Kermit 5A(190).
Not only does it work better and faster, but it has a much more meaningful
message that you can look for:

KERMIT READY TO SERVE...

More info about current Kermit versions at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

- Frank

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In article <41ur8a$4ns@news.Ieunet.ie>, ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) writes:
> I've a Kermit .ini file on a PC (3.14) which automatically LOGS IN to a VAX,
> kicks of a (fairly) long job, and then GETs the job's output through a SERVER
> command on the VAX.
> 
> The VAX job can take 1 minute (optimal) or 10 minutes (backup running)
> 
> VAX KERMIT is kicked off in SERVER mode as soon as it finishes.
> 
> My .INI commands are
> output \64LONGJOB\13     ; @LONGJOB
> input 9999 machine.      ; get the "machine." prompts 
> input   10 machine.      ; from VAX KERMIT
> get OUTPUTFL.DAT         ; get the VAX output
> 
> what happens is that I get the File Transfer screen showing WHILE THE VAX JOB
> IS STILL RUNNING, and the File Transfer process falls over for retries.
> 
> Am I doing something wrong.
> 
> LONGJOB.COM finishes up with
> $ KERMIT SERVER ! KERMIT is a symbol - $SYS$SYSTEM:KERMIT
> 
> thanks
> Eoin Bairead
> Dublin
> Ireland
----------
	SET INPUT ECHO ON to watch what the VAX sends to the PC. Also look
at CLEAR INPUT-BUFFER to ensure old text is not stumbled over. IF SUCCESS
commands are useful to separate cases of success and timeout failures.
	Joe D.

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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit and Virtual Modems
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Hello.
 
A friend just purchased an AT&T Globalist Pentium 75 machine which has 
a virtual modem (DSP chip); that is, no physical UART is present.  It 
recognizes Windows-based telecommunications programs, but not 
DOS-based ones, such as MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.  AT&T Technical Support 
suggests that he buy an external modem.  Is there a way around this, 
such as a DOS driver or something that would make his virtual modem 
recognize Kermit addressing?
 
Thanks for all help.
 
Craig Werner <werner@world.std.com>

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In article <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> Paolo Franzi <multimedia@iol.it> writes:
>When can I see a kermit version for Windows 95 ?
>
>

Does  this mean the dos version does not work under Win95?



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From: Graham Jenkins <grahamj@gkja.melbpc.org.au>
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Does anyone have one, or know where one can be got?

Graham Jenkins   TABCORP   Melbourne, Australia   grahamj@gkja.melbpc.org.au


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From: dastow@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow)
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I use kermit to transfer files from a unix computer to my ms-dos computer 
over the phone line.  The unix system is preset to send files as binary 
and only gives me access to a menu that starts the transfer, not to the 
kermit prompt itself.
Text files arrive at my computer with a line feed at the end of every 
line instead of a carriage return and line feed.  I've tried giving my 
own kermit program the command SET FILE TYPE TEXT but this doesn't change 
anything.  Does anyone know a simple way to change the LF's to CRLF's?
The version of kermit I use is mskermit 3.0.  I can use e-mail, gopher, 
and www but my system's ftp is disabled.  Is there a way to get the 
latest mskermit using these other methods?
Thanks,
David Stow


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I just downloaded the new version of ms kermit and have been trying to 
set up a script as to automatically log into a unix machine (ie, standard
login:, password:) and I cannot get it to work.  It's like it does not
even see the incoming charcters.  I have set up scripts like this before
for 5A(190) under AIX and SCO, but this is my first attempt at an ms-dos
machine.  Any helpfull insights for migrating scripts from unix to dos?

thanks in advance

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When can I see a kermit version for Windows 95 ?



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Robert Nicholson (robertn@seahawk.nwest.mccaw.com) wrote:

: Can anybody tell me how I deal with CR/LF translation? 

On the Unix system from within C-Kermit:

	set file type text

Usually this is the default, but I don't know the NeXT set uo that
well.  This will ensure that the translation is done properly.

Hope this helps,

    Mark Simms

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: can kermit change LF's to CRLF's?
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In article <41v5q6$mvk@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>,
David Stow <dastow@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> wrote:
: I use kermit to transfer files from a unix computer to my ms-dos computer 
: over the phone line.  The unix system is preset to send files as binary 
: and only gives me access to a menu that starts the transfer, not to the 
: kermit prompt itself.
:
Need I say that's a dumb idea?  Why don't you just ask the system
administrators to change the menu to include "Kermit binary" and
"Kermit text"?

: Text files arrive at my computer with a line feed at the end of every 
: line instead of a carriage return and line feed.  I've tried giving my 
: own kermit program the command SET FILE TYPE TEXT but this doesn't change 
: anything.  Does anyone know a simple way to change the LF's to CRLF's?
: The version of kermit I use is mskermit 3.0.
:
That is five years old.  The current version is 3.14.

Both Kermit programs are perfectly able to handle text-format conversion.
Just tell the system administrators to let you use this program to do
what it is supposed to do.

: I can use e-mail, gopher, 
: and www but my system's ftp is disabled.  Is there a way to get the 
: latest mskermit using these other methods?
: 
Why don't you order it from us by post?  That way we get some money to
help pay for our continuing work, and you get a manual.  I'll send you
a catalog under separate cover.

- Frank

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In article <DE3EDL.s5@world.std.com>,
Craig Werner <werner@world.std.com> wrote:
: A friend just purchased an AT&T Globalist Pentium 75 machine which has 
: a virtual modem (DSP chip); that is, no physical UART is present.  It 
: recognizes Windows-based telecommunications programs, but not 
: DOS-based ones, such as MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.  AT&T Technical Support 
: suggests that he buy an external modem.
:
They are right.  AT&T "Controllerless modems", like RPI modems, are not
real modems at all.  They depend on OS-specific drivers to work.  There
is "no market" for such drivers for any OS except Windows, so don't
expect these modems ever to work outside Windows, and don't expect them
to work very well *in* Windows either.  See the Kermit FAQ for a fuller
discussion:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt

- Frank

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From: gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Andrew G McMullins)
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Subject says it all really - I downloaded this recently, as I occasionally
have to work from home - the systems at work tend to assume that you're using
MS-DOS Kermit, but as I've only got an ST, I thought this would be my best
option.

Unfortunately all I got was a mangled heap of escape sequences and screen
output, so I need to know what terminal type is being emulated and, if it is
at all possible, to change the terminal type - I've tried variations on the
'SET TERMINAL' command set, but nothing seems to work. My guess is that it's
a vt52, as this is built into the ST, but I can't verify this.

Can anyone help? If I downloaded the latest sources, would I be able to get
vt320 emulation? That, I have to admit, is an ideal scenario, as emulating a
vt100 would suffice. On the plus side, the up/downloading side of things
worked perfectly - I just had to make do with a different emulator for the
actual screen handling, which is a pity.

Thanks in advance...

Be seeing you...

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From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis)
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Subject: Re: Atari ST C-Kermit - Terminal type?
Date: 30 Aug 1995 17:30:53 GMT
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Andrew G McMullins (gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk) wrote:
% Subject says it all really - I downloaded this recently, as I occasionally
% have to work from home - the systems at work tend to assume that you're using
% MS-DOS Kermit, but as I've only got an ST, I thought this would be my best
% option.

% Unfortunately all I got was a mangled heap of escape sequences and screen
% output, so I need to know what terminal type is being emulated and, if it is
% at all possible, to change the terminal type - I've tried variations on the
% 'SET TERMINAL' command set, but nothing seems to work. My guess is that it's
% a vt52, as this is built into the ST, but I can't verify this.

As I recall it was vt52 emulation. However, we abandoned that rather
elderly version of Kermit and used Simon Poole's excellent GEM-based
freeware terminal emulator UniTerm when we had STs. It includes
various file transfer protocols (including Kermit) and does extremely
good vt200 emulation (on a par with MS-Kermit and even does proper
double-height and width characters). I can probably dig out a copy if
required, though I dare say you will find it still in the Atari section
of micros.hensa.ac.uk.

Leila
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Windows 95 version
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In article <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu>, hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu writes:
> In article <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> Paolo Franzi <multimedia@iol.it> writes:
>>When can I see a kermit version for Windows 95 ?
>>
>>
> 
> Does  this mean the dos version does not work under Win95?
--------
	It could not mean that because MS-DOS Kermit runs fine in Win95.
MSK also properly reports the version of DOS as 7.00 rather than as
Windows 4.00.
	Joe D.

hing that would make his virtual modem 
> recognize Kermit addressing?
>  
> Thanks for all help.
>  
> Craig Werner <werner@world.std.com>
--------
	Your friend purchased what is, I believe, a "controller-less" modem,
not a regular one. That takes a special proprietary software driver to do
much work which is normally in the modem, and apparently it is available only
for Windows 3.1. We have no information on such modems, and given the strongly 
negative reaction to them by knowlegable people their lifetime is expected to
be short. Given the circumstances there is nothing that we Kermit folks can do
to help, other than repeat the advice of AT&T Tech Support above: purchase a 
regular modem, an external one at that.
        Joe D.

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In article <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>In article <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu>, hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu writes:
>> In article <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> Paolo Franzi <multimedia@iol.it> writes:
>>>When can I see a kermit version for Windows 95 ?
>>>
>>>
>> 
>> Does  this mean the dos version does not work under Win95?
>--------
>	It could not mean that because MS-DOS Kermit runs fine in Win95.
>MSK also properly reports the version of DOS as 7.00 rather than as
>Windows 4.00.
>	Joe D.

Thanks for the information. DOS 7 ??? That's very interesting.

Later,

Helen


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From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson)
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Subject: Re: can kermit change LF's to CRLF's?
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David Stow (dastow@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca) wrote:
: I use kermit to transfer files from a unix computer to my ms-dos computer 
: over the phone line.  The unix system is preset to send files as binary 
: and only gives me access to a menu that starts the transfer, not to the 
: kermit prompt itself.
: Text files arrive at my computer with a line feed at the end of every 
: line instead of a carriage return and line feed.  I've tried giving my 
: own kermit program the command SET FILE TYPE TEXT but this doesn't change 
: anything.  Does anyone know a simple way to change the LF's to CRLF's?
: The version of kermit I use is mskermit 3.0.  I can use e-mail, gopher, 
: and www but my system's ftp is disabled.  Is there a way to get the 
: latest mskermit using these other methods?
: Thanks,
: David Stow

From the MS-Kermit prompt,

   remote set file type text

then do a get or tget.

Rod

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On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, Melvin Klassen wrote:

> In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.950827223308.7671A-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu> you write:
> >Is there any reason that the kermit transfer at 14.4 is about the same as 
> >Z-modem transfer at 9600?
> 
> Out of the box, KERMIT is "pessimistic" -- 
> it assumes that the communication-line is "noisy", and adapts itself
> to ensuring that the file is transmitted correctly, if slowly.
> KERMIT can be "tuned" to be "optimistic".

Thanks for the info. It turns out the problem is at the HP-UX sever which 
I download from. The version of the HP-UX was 4E(077), circa 1989 -- 
little bit early to have sliding window scheme implemented.

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From: hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell)
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In article <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.eduB says...
>
>In article <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu>, 
hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu 
>writes:
>> In article <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> Paolo Franzi <multimedia@iol.it> 
writes:
>>>When can I see a kermit version for Windows 95 ?
>>>
>>>
>> 
>> Does  this mean the dos version does not work under Win95?
>--------
>        It could not mean that because MS-DOS Kermit runs fine in Win95.
>MSK also properly reports the version of DOS as 7.00 rather than as
>Windows 4.00.
>        Joe D.


	No What the user and a number of other people are looking for
is a GUI version of kermit. The kermit telnet is one of the best I 
have seen and it would be great if it was a true Windows program.

	I asked about this over a year ago and got a basic "we don't
do Windows". In five years from now, if you believe the press, 
Microsoft will have everybody using Windows NT 5.0. Windows 95 is
a transition OS to give people time to replace their DOS programs
over the next 4 - 5 years.

	I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a
true GUI version of kermit that could be ported to Windows.

	Later
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MS-Kermit vers. 3.14      C-Kermit vers. 5A(179) BETA        Unix SVR4

Can anyone help me, I'm trying to do File Transfers from Unix to 
IBM-PC. My problem is that I don't want the operator to have to use 
kermit command level.
I can set my Unix kermit in SERVER mode but then I have to break down 
to local kermit command line to issue my GET command.
I've tried to use the TERMINALS/TERMINALR macros, as described in 
MS-KERMIT vers 2.32, and then SETting KEYs for those verbs 
eg SET KEY \2415 \Kterminals etc but kermit tells me that the verbs 
don't exist.

Any help or suggestions.

				Thanks
_______________________________________________________________________
Brenda Robb           City of Dundee District Council Dundee Scotland
Email  brenda@cddc.demon.co.uk      Tel:   +44 (0)382 434168 (direct line)
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From: halldorg@ismennt.is (Halldor Gudmundssson)
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crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) wrote:

>I just downloaded the new version of ms kermit and have been trying to 
>set up a script as to automatically log into a unix machine (ie, standard
>login:, password:) and I cannot get it to work.  It's like it does not
>even see the incoming charcters.  I have set up scripts like this before
>for 5A(190) under AIX and SCO, but this is my first attempt at an ms-dos
>machine.  Any helpfull insights for migrating scripts from unix to dos?

>thanks in advance

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this is a script and you should run kermit from batchfile like

@echo off
kermit def passwd <yourpassw> ,def userid <youruid>, take k1.scr, stay


define getout out \13,-
 inp 3 >,-
 if succ out exit\13,-
 inp 10 >,-
 if succ hangup,out +++ATH\13, pause 5, out ath\13,pause 2,-
 exit
set key \2320 {\Kgetout}                ; Assign GETOUT macro to
Alt-Q. 
set com3 \x3E8 11
Set PORT 3
SET BAUD 19200
SET FLOW rts
SET DISP 8
SET TERM BELL NONE
SET RECEIVE PACKET 2000
SET TRANSLATE INPUT ON
SET WINDOWS 4
set transfer char latin1
set input timeout proceed       ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE
set input echo on                ; Don't echo the modem test

; Define ERRSTOP macro to issue an error message and stop.
;
define errstop echo \%1, hangup, stop
; FILE MT1432.SCR (MSMT1432.SCR)
;
; An MS-DOS Kermit script program for dialing the Multitech MT1432
series 
; modems, to be used with MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later.  The modem is
set 
; for compression, error correction, all types of fallback, RTS/CTS 
; flow control, and a fixed interface speed of 57600 or 38400.
;
; Authors: Christine M. Gianone, Frank da Cruz, Max Evarts; 
; Columbia University, June 1993
; Modified May 1994 to remove DSR check (Peter Mossel)
;
def errfail echo \%1, hangup, goto fail ; Macro to handle failures.
if < VERSION 312 errfail {MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later required.}
if eq "\v(system)" "UNIX" if = \v(local) 0 stop 1 You must SET LINE
first

define chkerr if fail stop 1 \%1
define chkok input 3 OK, if fail stop 1 \%1

set input echo on               ; So we can watch what happens.
set input timeout proceed       ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE.
set input case ignore           ; Use caseless string comparisons

set parity none                 ; Avoid parity foulups
set flow none                   ; Avoid flow control deadlocks
hangup                          ; Begin by dropping DTR
pause 1                         ; for one second

; Speed.  Don't worry about modem, it autobauds up to 57600.

set speed 19200                 ; If computer can be set to 57600 bps,
use it.
if fail set speed 9600         ; If not, use 19200.

echo Configuring MultiTech MT1432 on \v(line).

:INIT
output ATQ0V1\13                ; Enable word result codes
chkok {Can't get modem's attention}

output AT E1 &Q1 X4\13          ; Echoing, result codes, etc.
chkok {Can't initialize modem}

echo Enabling modulation negotiation...
output AT $SB\v(speed) $MB19200\13      ; Start modulation speed
negotiation
					; at V32bis, set interface speed
chkok {Can't enable modulation speed negotiation}
echo Enabling hardware flow control...
output AT &E4\13                ; RTS/CTS hardware flow control
chkok {Can't enable RTS/CTS}    ; On modem
wait 5 cts
if fail errfail {Modem is not asserting CTS!}
set flow rts/cts                ; And in Kermit too, but only now
echo Configuring modem to ignore BREAK...
output AT %E1\13                ; Make modem ignore BREAK
chkok {Can't become transparent to BREAK}
echo Enabling error correction and data compression...
output AT &E1 &E15 $BA0\13      ; Enable error correction &
compression
				; with automatic speed buffering 
chkok {Can't enable compression EC and fallback}

:BEGIN                          ; Now DIAL.
clear                           ; Clear INPUT buffer.
set count 5                     ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries
allowed.
echo Dialing 5811100 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait...
echo
pause 1
goto dial                       ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing
message

:REDIAL
set alarm 30
pause 30                        ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing.
if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.}
echo Redialing...               ; Message for redialing.
pause 1

:DIAL
output ATDT5811100\13                ; Dial the number.
set alarm 90                    ; (For detecting keyboard
interruptions.)
if > VERSION 312 clear input    ; Clear echo from INPUT buffer.
if < VERSION 313 clear
input 30 \10                    ; Wait for the linefeeds...

:GETMSG
input 60 \10                    ; ...that surround the response
message.
if success goto gotmsg          ; Got a message.
if alarm errfail {No response from modem.} ; No response in 90
seconds.
hangup                          ; User interrupted from keyboard,
output \13                      ; cancel dialing by sending carriage
return,
goto again                      ; and go try again right away.

:GOTMSG
reinput 1 CONNECT               ; Got a message, was it CONNECT?
if success goto done            ; If so, we're done.
reinput 1 BUSY                  ; Line is busy.
if success goto busy            ; Go wait a while and then dial again.
reinput 1 ERROR                 ; Command syntax error.
if success errfail {Dialing command error}
reinput 1 NO CARRIER            ; Phone didn't answer or no carrier.
if success errfail {No answer or no carrier}
reinput 1 NO DIALTONE           ; No dialtone when phone taken off
hook.
if success errfail {No dialtone - Is your modem connected to the phone
line\63}
goto getmsg                     ; None of the above, get another
message.

:BUSY
if < \v(count) 2 goto quit      ; Don't wait 30 seconds if tries are
used up.
echo Line is busy, will dial again in 30 seconds.
echo Press any key to cancel...
output \13                      ; CR cancels dialing
hangup                          ; Hang up.
:AGAIN
if count goto redial            ; Then go redial.
:QUIT
errfail {It never answers!  I give up.} ; Too many tries.

:DONE                           ; Connected.
echo \7                         ; Celebrate with a beep.
input 20 ):
output 1\13
goto login
define errfail                  ; Erase local macro definitions...
end 0                           ; Finished, return success code.

:FAIL                           ; Dialing failed, no beep.
define errfail                  ; Erase local macro definitions...
end 1                           ; Return failure code.

; End of MT1432.SCR

; Action starts here
; If they typed their password on the DOS command line,
; clear the screen now.
;
if def passwd cls                       ; for security...
def \%9                                 ; "Thank you" flag.
if def userid goto askpw

:XUID
;
; User ID wasn't specified on command line, so prompt for it.
;
ask \%8 {Enter your userid   Enter: }
if not def \%8 goto XUID
assign userid \%8
def \%9 Thank you.

:ASKPW
if def passwd goto thanks
:XPWD
;
; Password wasn't specified on command line, so prompt for it.
;
askq \%8 -
  {Enter Password (it will not echo) and press   ENTER: }
if not def \%8 goto XPWD
assign passwd \%8
def \%9 Thank you.

:THANKS
def \%8                         ; Erase password from memory
if def \%9 echo \%9             ; Be polite
def \%9
echo
set input case ignore           ; Don't care about alphabetic case.
hangup                          ; Hang up any current data connection.

set input timeout proceed       ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE
set input echo on                ; Don't echo the modem test
output ATQ0V1X1\13              ; Send AT, use word result codes.
input 5 OK                      ; Modem should say "OK"
Output \13

Set count 4
:LOOP       
output \13AT\13                 ; Give the Hayes modem AT command
input 5 OK                      ; Look for Hayes OK response.
if failure goto RETRY           ; Not found, try again.
echo Hringi ! menntaneti ...           ; It's 244PC, tell the user.
output ATDT5683370\13           ; Make a data call to "[CUNIX]".
input 30 CONNECT          ; Look for modem's confirmation.
if success goto GOOD

:RETRY
if count goto LOOP
set count 4
:L2
output ATDT5811100\13
input 30 CONNECT
if success goto GOOD2
if count goto L2
; Get here when there is no communication after 3 tries.
;
echo
echo {  Modem not answering.}
echo {  You are using port \v(port),  and speed  is  \v(speed).}
echo {  if this is not correct   use SET PORT in  Kermit}
echo {  and   SET SPEED and try again.}
echo {  Check if modem is connected and }
echo {   that it is powered on}
echo
hangup
stop

:GOOD
; We got through, one way or the other.
; Send carriage returns for speed recognition.
; Try up to 5 times to get Info terminal server prompt, "blah>".
;
set count 5                     ; Loop counter.

:AGAIN
output \13                      ; Send CR for speed recognition.
input 20 >                      ; Look for prompt.
if success goto INFO            ; If found, proceed with login
process,
if count goto again             ; otherwise continue the loop.
errstp {Failed to connect to main computer - try again}

:INFO
goto UNA
set count 5
:GOOD2
input 20 ):
if success goto RVIK 
out +++ATH\13
pause 5
out ath\13
pause 2 
if count goto RETRY
errstp {No answere from machinhe.}
:RVIK
output 1\13
input 20 login:
if fail errstop {Did not get login }

GOTO LOGIN
;
; Got terminal server prompt, select cunix and wait for login prompt.
;
:UNA
output una\13
input 20 login:
if fail errstop {did not get login prompt - try again}

:LOGIN
;
; Got "login:" prompt, send user ID and look for "Password:" prompt.
;
output \m(userid)\13            ; Send user ID, followed by CR.
input 20 Password:              ; Wait up to 5 seconds for "Password:"
prompt.
if fail errstop {did not get password prompt}

; Send user's password, then wait for shell prompt.
; Here we must figure out whether it is "$ " or "% ".
; If it is anything else, such as "cunixa:", that must be
; predefined (see top of this file).
;
output \m(passwd)\13            ; Send password.
define passwd                   ; Erase from memory.

; Now try to get the shell prompt.
;
CONNECT

Halldor Gudmundsson
halldorg@ismennt.is
http://rvik.ismennt.is/~halldorg


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In article <702050560wnr@cddc.demon.co.uk>, Brenda Robb <Brenda@cddc.demon.co.uk> writes:
> MS-Kermit vers. 3.14      C-Kermit vers. 5A(179) BETA        Unix SVR4
> 
> Can anyone help me, I'm trying to do File Transfers from Unix to 
> IBM-PC. My problem is that I don't want the operator to have to use 
> kermit command level.
> I can set my Unix kermit in SERVER mode but then I have to break down 
> to local kermit command line to issue my GET command.
> I've tried to use the TERMINALS/TERMINALR macros, as described in 
> MS-KERMIT vers 2.32, and then SETting KEYs for those verbs 
> eg SET KEY \2415 \Kterminals etc but kermit tells me that the verbs 
> don't exist.
----------------
	If you read the release notes accompanying MSK v3.14 you will
discover that TerminalR/S macros had to be abandoned because DEC used
the communication codes for other purposes, sigh. In their places is the 
much more general APC command, details of which are in the notes. I think
you will like the APC command better.
	While you are rummaging around, may I recommend upgrading C Kermit
to the modern era. It is version 5A(190) these days. Please visit 
kermit.columbia.edu for the latest Kermits.
	Joe D.

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Hi all

I am trying to use a kermit script to back up PC-Data files to an AIX box
so that they will go to tape nightly. I am using my script to trigger
dos's Dir command and  am writing the results to a file. (I am doing this
so that I can include files in all sub-directories under my parent
directory.) 

How can I tell kermit to send the files in this list? (it's a clean list)
I seem to remember something in the manual about a file-list however; I
have been pageing through it for an hour and cannot find it. Something
like !(filename.XXX) or @(filename.XXX) or something....

Thanks
                       Fallacy Somewhere! - One Bad Baronet Of Ruddygore
                                  DanielWest@aol.com (Daniel Weston)
                                    "A line is a terrible thing to waste"

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In article <4252hd$kiv@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
DanielWest <danielwest@aol.com> wrote:
: I am trying to use a kermit script to back up PC-Data files to an AIX box
: so that they will go to tape nightly. I am using my script to trigger
: dos's Dir command and  am writing the results to a file. (I am doing this
: so that I can include files in all sub-directories under my parent
: directory.) 
: 
: How can I tell kermit to send the files in this list? (it's a clean list)
: I seem to remember something in the manual about a file-list however; I
: have been pageing through it for an hour and cannot find it. Something
: like !(filename.XXX) or @(filename.XXX) or something....
: 
In MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, the current version, but not in earlier versions,
you can:

  send @filename

where "filename" is the name of a file that contains a list of files.

The list of filenames can contain one filename per line, or it can contain a
comma-separated list of names, or any mixture of the two.  Filenames can
contain disk letters, directory names, and DOS-format wildcards.

- Frank


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From: moorebj@cle.ab.com (Bruce J. Moore)
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Andrew,

	I did the port, although I've since gotten out of the Kermit
business.  My ST is currently collecting dust.  On to your questions:
	

Andrew G McMullins (gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk) wrote:
: Subject says it all really - I downloaded this recently, as I occasionally
: have to work from home - the systems at work tend to assume that you're using
: MS-DOS Kermit, but as I've only got an ST, I thought this would be my best
: option.
: 
: Unfortunately all I got was a mangled heap of escape sequences and screen
: output, so I need to know what terminal type is being emulated and, if it is
: at all possible, to change the terminal type - I've tried variations on the
: 'SET TERMINAL' command set, but nothing seems to work. My guess is that it's
: a vt52, as this is built into the ST, but I can't verify this.

	It's definitely a VT52.  I presume you're using VMS from the above,
so the correct command is:

	$ SET TERM/DEVICE_TYPE=VT52

	It should be noted that many DEC utilities simply assume a VT100/VT200
and behave accordingly.

: 
: Can anyone help? If I downloaded the latest sources, would I be able to get
: vt320 emulation? That, I have to admit, is an ideal scenario, as emulating a
: vt100 would suffice. On the plus side, the up/downloading side of things
: worked perfectly - I just had to make do with a different emulator for the
: actual screen handling, which is a pity.

	Another poster mentioned Uniterm.  This is a very nice package.
If doing simple stuff, I used kermit, but fell back to Uniterm for long
remote editing sessions, and so forth.  If memory serves, TPU/EVE was one
of the programs that refused to act as a VT52.  In this case, I was unable
to use kermit.  For unix hosts I was always able to use kermit.

: 
: Thanks in advance...

	You're welcome.  Hope the information above helps.
: 
: Be seeing you...
: 
: /----o-------------------------\
: | /~\|/~\ | Giovanni Ciampa    |
: | \O/\\O/ | gio@wcl.bham.ac.uk |
: |   / \   |--------------------|
: |   \_/   | I am but a figment |
: |  \___/  | of my own deranged |
: |   \_/   | imagination        |
: \---------+--------------------/

Bruce

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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PRE-ANNOUNCING KERMIT FOR WINDOWS 95

Planning bulletin!

Kermit software for Windows 95 is on the way.  This is a full-featured,
fully native, 32-bit communications software package for Windows 95 from
the Kermit Team at Columbia University for both serial and TCP/IP
communication.

K-95 can be both icon/menu operated for newcomers or command-line executed
for veterans (or any combination of the two for those who want it all).

LICENSING

Unlike other Kermit software, K-95 is not "free".  It is not available for
downloading; it cannot be freely shared and given away.  Instead, it must be
purchased and licensed.  It will be quite inexpensive.  It will be available
in software retail chains and directly from Columbia University.  Aggressive
quantity- and site-based licensing terms will also be available from Columbia,
including special academic/nonprofit licenses.  Exact terms are still being
worked out.

Why isn't it free? --

 1. The Kermit Project operates entirely on the income it generates.

 2. Because of the rapid growth and commercialization of the Internet and
    proliferation of "free software" CDROMs made from Internet ftp sites,
    Kermit software is in wider use than ever before, but nobody is
    ordering it from us.  Thus our income is down while our tech-support
    workload is up.

 3. We could not have brought this software to you without making a
    significant investment.

The status of other Kermit software (MS-DOS, UNIX, VMS, IBM Mainframe,
etc) remains as it always has been.

FEATURES

K-95 comes with a graphical Dialer (menus, buttons, dialog boxes,
notebooks, and all) to help you manage all your connections and all the
settings for each one, without complicated initialization files, macro
definitions, or SET commands.  The Kermit engine itself is launched from
the Dialer pushbutton-style to make the desired connection automatically
with all the appropriate settings.  Kermit veterans need not worry: It can
also be run on its own like other Kermit programs.

K-95 is a multithreaded multitasking NATIVE 32-bit Windows 95
communication software application that is easy on your CPU.  It is fully
integrated with Microsoft Telephony (TAPI) and Winsock, and can be used
uniformly for both serial and network connections.

K-95 offers:

 . A directory PRELOADED with hundreds of dialup and network connections:
    - Commercial networks and data services
    - Public data networks like SprintNet and TYMNET
    - Internet service providers by dialup
    - Internet resources via TELNET
    - BBSs and much more

 . VT320, VT220, VT102, VT100, VT52, ANSI, and TTY terminal emulation with:
    - Amazingly fast screen updates
    - Full color selection
    - Virtually unlimited and instantaneous screen rollback
    - Flexible key mapping
    - Integrated mouse functions: copy-and-paste, cursor steering
    - Screen height and width selection
    - Character-set conversion
    - Versatile printer control
    - Pop-up context-sensitive help, debugging, much more

 . Kermit as well as X/Y/ZMODEM file transfer:
    - The fastest and most advanced Kermit protocol available anywhere:
        Sliding windows, long packets, control-character unprefixing,
        locking shifts, character-set translation, an update feature,
        recovery, automatic file transfer initiation, and much more.
    - X/Y/ZMODEM licensed from Online Solutions Oy, Jyvaskyla, Finland
    - Windows 95 long filenames
    - Background as well as foreground file transfers

 . Management of multiple sessions through the graphical Dialer.

 . An intelligent phone-list that understands the difference between
   international, long-distance, local, toll-free, and internal PBX calls,
   and adjusts itself according to your location; that allows multiple
   phone numbers for a single service; and that can be told how many times
   and how frequently to redial if the connection is not made.

 . Script programming using the same portable Kermit script language that
   is already in widespread use on hundreds of other platforms.  When used
   in combination with the Windows 95 System Agent, this allows for
   automatically scheduled unattended communications tasks.

 . A brand-new user manual plus a technical reference manual.

 . A tech-support hot line (900 number, as so many of you suggested)
   and a tech support BBS.

AVAILABILITY

The publication date is October 5th, 1995.

The USA list price is $79.00 US.
The USA street price is $54.00 US.

For orders prior prior October 5th, 1995,
the USA introductory price is $49.00.

The shrink-wrapped package, published by Manning Publications of Greenwich
CT includes the software and manuals plus a discount upgrade coupon for
the next planned version.

The package will be available in computer software stores and you can
order it now from Columbia University or the publisher (store orders
should go to the publisher):

 1. Kermit
    Columbia University
    612 West 115th Street
    New York NY  10025-7221  USA
   
    Fax:   +1 (212) 662 6442  or  +1 (212) 663 8202
    Voice: +1 (212) 854 3703
    Email: kermit-orders@columbia.edu
    Web:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

 2. Manning Publications
    3 Lewis Street
    Greenwich CT  06830  USA

    Fax:   +1 (203) 661 9018
    Voice: +1 (203) 629 2078
    Email: 73150.1431@Compuserve.com
    Web:   http://www.sirius.com/~freedom/BBC/NetworkingNookPage.html

In recognition of the beginning of the academic year on campuses far and
wide, and students arriving by the truckload with PCs and Windows 95, we
encourage campus software administrators to contact us via e-mail to
kermit@columbia.edu to discuss academic bulk or site licenses.

Further announcements will appear on the comp.protocols.kermit newsgroups
and in the LISTSERV Kermit Digest.  If you want to receive announcements
directly by e-mail, please send a request by e-mail to:

  kermit@columbia.edu

Also watch our World Wide Web site for updates:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

THE FUTURE

We plan to develop this product actively to meet your needs.  Numerous new
features are on tap; our priorities will be driven by the success of this
product and preferences of its users.  Items under consideration include
Tektronix terminal emulation, 3270 terminal emulation, 5250 terminal
emulation, RIP graphics for BBS's, ALA character-set support, UNICODE
support, a character-set-aware form of HTML viewing, and further
GUIfication.

Frank da Cruz                         Christine M. Gianone
Manager                               Manager
Communications Software Development   Kermit Development and Distribution

                            Columbia University
                               New York City

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MS-DOS has changed a lot since I have used it last.  Now it has network
connections over many protocols.  However, now that many PCs have
bidirectional parallel ports, is there a way of using Kermit to connect
two PCs through their parallel ports and transfer files between them?

In networking terms, Kermit would still be the application, but down at
the data link and physical levels, a parallel port would be used instead
of a serial port.  It seems like this should be simple and maybe even
possible in a way that's not obvious to me.

So, can it be done now?  Is it possible that it might be implemented
soon?

David S. Cargo (escargo@network.com)

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jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes:

>hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) writes:

>>	I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a
>>true GUI version of kermit that could be ported to Windows.

>See today's KERMIT news from Frank da Cruz: Kermit 95 will be out later
>this year.  That's the good news; the bad news is that it won't be freeware
>like the older KERMIT packages from Columbia.  Frank estimated the street
>price to be US$54; bulk, site, and academic pricing is being worked out.

>I don't really like having to pay for it (or anything else, for that
>matter) but it's difficult to argue with Frank's quite valid point that
>everybody seems to be using KERMIT and few people are paying Columbia
>anything for it.  Idealism is fine, but somehow you've got to get enough
>money to pay the bills.  I spent twenty years in academia and I'm too
>painfully aware of funding problems.

All true, and I can see your and Frank's point.  I still don't have to like
it though.  I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of its
media (such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its documentation
is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great deal of ill will in
the user community.

Jeff Berntsen
jeffb@world.std.com


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In article <DE93Gn.75H@world.std.com>,
Jeffrey T Berntsen <jeffb@world.std.com> wrote:
>> ...
>All true, and I can see your and Frank's point.  I still don't have to
>like it though.  I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of
>its media (such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its
>documentation is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great
>deal of ill will in the user community.
>
Well, we had a choice.  We can be here and be the brunt of some people's
ill will, or we can be gone.  Without making this move, I assure you we
would be gone.  Usage has never been higher, tech support demands have
never been higher, ftp accesses have never been higher, Web page accesses
go up every week.  But our income has never been lower.  And still we get
hundreds of requests for Windows Kermit software every day.  

Charging media costs for disks and tapes doesn't work any more -- nobody
is ordering them.  They just grab the software off the net or from a CDROM
they bought from somebody else, and then call us to ask how it works.

We are adapting to this new world in order to survive and keep serving you.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Kermit for Windows 95 Academic Site Licensing
Date: 2 Sep 1995 12:56:14 GMT
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Here is the preliminary information regarding academic site licensing
of Kermit for Windows 95.  This information also appears on our Web
page, which is updated frequently.  Check the Web page for information
that might be more current:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

To discuss site licensing, send e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu.

PRELIMINARY KERMIT 95 ACADEMIC SITE LICENSE INFORMATION

Kermit 95 academic site licenses are available at the rates listed below.
An academic site license entitles all students, faculty, and staff at a
licensed institution to individual, non-transferable use of Kermit 95 at
school and at home, with no copy counting required, as long as they are
students at or employed by the institution.  The site license must be
administered from a single administrative point of contact within the
institution.  Technical support must be provided by the institution, which
provides a single technical point of contact with the development and
support team at Columbia University.

For any single college or university:

  First year:       $  2,000
  Subsequent years: $  1,000

For a large (e.g. statewide) university system:

  First year:       $ 10,000
  Subsequent years: $  5,000

An active license entitles the institution to continuing technical support
and to software upgrades.

The year is counted as July 1 through June 30; however, the entire
first-year fee must be paid for 1995-96.

An academic site license includes a single copy of the shrink-wrapped
software package, to be registered, duplicated, and distributed by the
institution, plus 100 user manuals and 5 technical reference manuals, with
additional manuals available in bulk at a discount.  Manuals may be resold
through institutional channels such as book stores or otherwise
distributed internally.

Outside of the USA, Canada, and Mexico, shipping costs must be added for
the manual set.

The institution must assume responsibility of preventing all manner of
external access to the software, including, but not limited to, placing of
the software on file servers, ftp servers, or Web home pages accessible
from outside the institution.

(End)

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From: Yeechang Lee <ylee@columbia.edu>
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Subject: Re: Windows 95 version
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Jeffrey T Berntsen <jeffb@world.std.com> says:
|I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of its media
|(such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its
|documentation is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great
|deal of ill will in the user community.

Anyone who feels that way is IMHO out of line.  Since when did having
Kermit become some kind of right?

http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/

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From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris)
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hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) writes:

>	I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a
>true GUI version of kermit that could be ported to Windows.

See today's KERMIT news from Frank da Cruz: Kermit 95 will be out later
this year.  That's the good news; the bad news is that it won't be freeware
like the older KERMIT packages from Columbia.  Frank estimated the street
price to be US$54; bulk, site, and academic pricing is being worked out.

I don't really like having to pay for it (or anything else, for that
matter) but it's difficult to argue with Frank's quite valid point that
everybody seems to be using KERMIT and few people are paying Columbia
anything for it.  Idealism is fine, but somehow you've got to get enough
money to pay the bills.  I spent twenty years in academia and I'm too
painfully aware of funding problems.

The code should be hitting the retail store shelves in the near future;
the official release date he posted is 5 October.

Most of us have been quietly freeloading on the Columbia people for years.
Between this and the way that some users seem to think that they have
the right to berate the KERMIT developers for not having released a
native Windows KERMIT I'm amazed that Columbia has been so supportive
of the KERMIT effort.  (BTW: a note saying "I really wish the developers
would re-consider about doing a true GUI version" isn't berating anyone;
it's a polite expression of interest.  It's the flamers who SCREAM ABOUT
HOW THEY DEMAND ALL SORTS OF COMPLEX FEATURES that give USENET its
bad reputation and irritate providers of freeware.)

Anyway...to KERMIT: welcome to the GUI world!  And to the developers of
the new package, congratulations.

Joe Morris / MITRE

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From: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey)
Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95
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I suppose it's obvious but I assume that source will not be available
for Kermit for Windows 95?

I realize you must be doing this to survive but how can you expect to
compete with communications programs that have twice the features for
half the price?

Let's say you really do come through on all of the features and the
price comes down to 20 bucks.  Let's say you do survive.  Is is really
worth it to give up the very thing that it is to be Kermit: free
software with source?

It seems better to me to throw in the towel and say it was an
experiment that didn't work than to compromise in the name of
survival.  Or better yet, can't you just charge for support and see
how far that gets you?  It doesn't seem to me you've investigated that
avenue yet.

I am happy for you if the decision you have made makes you successful.
Every one needs a job or funding.  But I think it is a sad turn of
events.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95
Date: 3 Sep 1995 14:55:50 GMT
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In article <JRS.95Sep3025353@world.std.com>,
Rick Sladkey <jrs@world.std.com> wrote:
> I suppose it's obvious but I assume that source will not be available
> for Kermit for Windows 95?
>
Some parts will, some parts won't.  The parts that won't were all done
here, at our own expense -- and that's money that must be recouped.

This is not from a desire to be secretive, but rather because historically
code from our software has been incorporated into hundreds of commercial
and shareware programs, most often without permission.  If the new Windows
95 code is of any value, and we believe it is, the same thing would happen
if we made it public.  Our project was not established for that purpose.

> I realize you must be doing this to survive but how can you expect to
> compete with communications programs that have twice the features for
> half the price?
>
None of the communications software that has been announced for Windows 95
is less expensive than Kermit 95.  Most of it is in the $129 range.  For
universities, our academic site licensing plan should allay all fears
about cost.  This was posted yesterday.

> Let's say you really do come through on all of the features and the
> price comes down to 20 bucks.  Let's say you do survive.  Is is really
> worth it to give up the very thing that it is to be Kermit: free
> software with source?
>
The world has changed since 1981.  The Internet (then, the ARPAnet) was a
forum for sharing and cooperation and mutual help.  Now it's a hotbed of
entrepreneurs who are principally concerned with how to profit from the
work of others.  The question is: despite all that, do people still want
Kermit software?  I think that millions of them do.  It is up to us to
figure out how to be in a position to furnish to them in the long run.

> It seems better to me to throw in the towel and say it was an
> experiment that didn't work than to compromise in the name of survival.
>
We decided not to do that.  As you can see, the other Kermit software
versions (MS-DOS, UNIX, VMS, IBM Mainframe, and hundreds of others) are
still there.  Should we shut those down too?  If not, then how shall we
pay for their upkeep?

> Or better yet, can't you just charge for support and see how far that
> gets you?  It doesn't seem to me you've investigated that avenue yet.
>
Believe me, over the past 3 or 4 years we've investigated every option,
including that one.

> I am happy for you if the decision you have made makes you successful.
> Every one needs a job or funding.  But I think it is a sad turn of
> events.
>
Sure it is.  So is the rampant commercialization of the Internet.  But
that is an unstoppable force, and one which was devouring our project.
Whether it is good or bad remains to be seen, but it is real, and it will
change "our little world" forever in ways we can scarcely even begin to
imagine.

Those of you who are interested in this type of discussion are invited to
read through the archives of comp.procotols.kermit.misc, comp.os.vms,
comp.dcom.modems, and many other forums in which it has taken place at
great length over the past two or three years.

- Frank

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From: rforster@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca (Russ Forster)
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Subject: Re: Windows 95 version
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In article <429ju5$lv6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <DE93Gn.75H@world.std.com>,
> Jeffrey T Berntsen <jeffb@world.std.com> wrote:
>>> ...
>>All true, and I can see your and Frank's point.  I still don't have to
>>like it though.  I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of
>>its media (such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its
>>documentation is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great
>>deal of ill will in the user community.
>>
> Well, we had a choice.  We can be here and be the brunt of some people's
> ill will, or we can be gone.  Without making this move, I assure you we
> would be gone.  Usage has never been higher, tech support demands have
> never been higher, ftp accesses have never been higher, Web page accesses
> go up every week.  But our income has never been lower.  And still we get
> hundreds of requests for Windows Kermit software every day.  
> 
> Charging media costs for disks and tapes doesn't work any more -- nobody
> is ordering them.  They just grab the software off the net or from a CDROM
> they bought from somebody else, and then call us to ask how it works.
> 
> We are adapting to this new world in order to survive and keep serving you.
> 
> - Frank

Frank,

	I understand your need for money, however you are targeting a very
	specific audience.  Perhaps I should move to a MAC and get the software
	free.  The other more promising alternative, it to have you charge for
	all versions of Kermit not just the media it's on.

	/Russ

-- 
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From: chaiklin@columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection?
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PROBLEM #1:  If I leave MS-DOS machine running Kermit idle for
(let us say) 15 minutes, then the terminal stops showing
input and output.  

PROBLEM #2:  After reaching the state described in Problem #1, it
is no longer possible to start other TCP/IP sessions.

PROBLEM #3:  Upon exiting kermit, the PC machine freezes up,
requiring a Control-Alt-Del, and sometimes a power-down.  In general,
it seems that the problem reappears if one does NOT use a power-down.

I have read the kermit.hlp and kermit.bwr but remain unenlightened.

BACKGROUND: 

1.  I have been using MS-KERMIT 3.14pl9 to connect from MS-DOS
machines (486 w/ MS-DOS 6.22 and a XT w/MS-DOS 5.0 and ANSI.SYS) to a
Linux machine.  All the involved machines have 3Com ethernet cards,
and all three are located on a TCP/IP ethernet with about one meter
distance between them.

2.  I am positive that the problem is not the Kermit has dropped the
connection.  Because the machines are setting next to each other, I
can look at the Linux machine and see what program is being run on the
"hung" machine running Kermit.  I can also "logout", etc.

3.  I have tried SET TERM RESET, Alt-=, set term none, and anything
else I could find in kermit.hlp that seemed relevant, but this
did not help.

4.  As mentioned above, when exiting, the PC freezes.  As suggested
in KERMIT.BWR, it is possible to push to DOS, etc., while the
session is still running, but hangup and exit result in the PC crash.

I can provide more information if the preceding was not sufficient.

Thanks for any advice/help/suggestions.

Cheers,
  Seth Chaiklin





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Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection?
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In article <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes:
> PROBLEM #1:  If I leave MS-DOS machine running Kermit idle for
> (let us say) 15 minutes, then the terminal stops showing
> input and output.  
> 
> PROBLEM #2:  After reaching the state described in Problem #1, it
> is no longer possible to start other TCP/IP sessions.
> 
> PROBLEM #3:  Upon exiting kermit, the PC machine freezes up,
> requiring a Control-Alt-Del, and sometimes a power-down.  In general,
> it seems that the problem reappears if one does NOT use a power-down.
> 
> I have read the kermit.hlp and kermit.bwr but remain unenlightened.
> 
> BACKGROUND: 
> 
> 1.  I have been using MS-KERMIT 3.14pl9 to connect from MS-DOS
> machines (486 w/ MS-DOS 6.22 and a XT w/MS-DOS 5.0 and ANSI.SYS) to a
> Linux machine.  All the involved machines have 3Com ethernet cards,
> and all three are located on a TCP/IP ethernet with about one meter
> distance between them.
> 
> 2.  I am positive that the problem is not the Kermit has dropped the
> connection.  Because the machines are setting next to each other, I
> can look at the Linux machine and see what program is being run on the
> "hung" machine running Kermit.  I can also "logout", etc.
> 
> 3.  I have tried SET TERM RESET, Alt-=, set term none, and anything
> else I could find in kermit.hlp that seemed relevant, but this
> did not help.
> 
> 4.  As mentioned above, when exiting, the PC freezes.  As suggested
> in KERMIT.BWR, it is possible to push to DOS, etc., while the
> session is still running, but hangup and exit result in the PC crash.
> 
> I can provide more information if the preceding was not sufficient.
> 
> Thanks for any advice/help/suggestions.
> 
> Cheers,
>   Seth Chaiklin
---------------
	Did you have a chance to look at the ARP cache on the Linux machine?
I've heard rumors (I don't use Linux) that it times out and can yield just
the effects noted. You might try pinging MSK from the Linux end as one way
of correcting its ARP cache.
	The situation seems to be Kermit is getting no response to its IP
transmissions and it is doing backed off retries (as per TCP specs). Control
should return when the retries are successful or exhausted.
	You should also double check memory management on the PC to avoid
clobbering the Ethernet adapter (presumed, you didn't say), and also to
seek out and destroy IRQ & port conflicts. Remember to leave video memory,
segments A000-BFFF, to the video system. These matters are discussed in
the release notes. Do worry about PC screen savers and green machine
power-downs too. 
	Joe D.

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Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>	Did you have a chance to look at the ARP cache on the Linux machine?
>I've heard rumors (I don't use Linux) that it times out and can yield just
>the effects noted. You might try pinging MSK from the Linux end as one way
>of correcting its ARP cache.

You are definitely on the right track (and thanks for the fast response!).

I tried an experiment.  I let the MSK machine sit idle while
connected to the Linux machine, and after 10 minutes (while true;
do date; arp -a; sleep 60; done), I discovered that the Linux arp
cache loses the HW address of the ethernet card, at which point,
of course, the MSK machine appears to be frozen.

I tried pinging the MSK machine from the Linux machine, but it
does not respond.  However, if I hand-entered the HW address for
the MSK machine, then deleted this entry from the arp cache, and
then added it again, I could reestablish input/output being shown
on the MSK machine, and everything seems to work as it should.

>	You should also double check memory management on the PC to avoid
>clobbering the Ethernet adapter (presumed, you didn't say), and also to
>seek out and destroy IRQ & port conflicts. Remember to leave video memory,
>segments A000-BFFF, to the video system. These matters are discussed in
>the release notes. Do worry about PC screen savers and green machine
>power-downs too. 

Thanks for these additional suggestions.  Good to know for the future,
but the machine where I was having the problems is:

An elder XT with 640K.  There is no memory to manage, and
definitely not green!  There are no screen savers.  There are
keyboard and codepage drivers installed, as well as a Cyrnwr packet
driver, otherwise no other TSRs. The monochrome monitor has a
hercules-compatible card.  There is a single serial port IRQ4, and
the ethernet adapter is IRQ3.  The ethernet adaptor is a 3c501.

However, I tried the same experiment (with the same results) with
a 486 VGA monitor machine and a 3c509 ethernet card, so I
suspect the problem is not with MSK nor with the PC-hardware.

However, there is still one part that bothers me:  Why would MSK crash
the PC in the process of exiting from MSK?  This happens even if I
logout from the Linux machine (because it is still possible to
issue commands, even if the arp cache has lost the ethernet address,
and if it they are not shown on the monitor).  That doesn't seem
right. (It doesn't crash if I reload the arp cache.)

Meanwhile, thanks very much for the insightful suggestion. 

Cheers,
  Seth Chaiklin














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From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
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Subject: Re: File Transfer
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Brenda Robb <Brenda@cddc.demon.co.uk> wrote:


>MS-Kermit vers. 3.14      C-Kermit vers. 5A(179) BETA        Unix SVR4

>Can anyone help me, I'm trying to do File Transfers from Unix to 
>IBM-PC. My problem is that I don't want the operator to have to use 
>kermit command level.
>I can set my Unix kermit in SERVER mode but then I have to break down 
>to local kermit command line to issue my GET command.
>I've tried to use the TERMINALS/TERMINALR macros, as described in 
>MS-KERMIT vers 2.32, and then SETting KEYs for those verbs 
>eg SET KEY \2415 \Kterminals etc but kermit tells me that the verbs 
>don't exist.

Brenda,

You might do well to get the latest MSKermit, v3.14, (tell you where later)
and use the newer APC command (provided the remote host's Kermit is new
enough). The APC command allows either Kermit to issue commands to the
other. A download, for example, can be accomplished without escaping to the
local Kermit. As an example, here's my bsend macro which I keep on the
remote host; notice the APC command ... it tells the local Kermit to receive
... no moving around between Kermits.

define bsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),-
  if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},-
  set file type binary, set delay 1, apc receive,-
  if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,-
  else send \%1

For example, I would tell the remote (UNIX) Kermit to:

	bsend file1 file2 file3

That's it!

Entire Kermit package: ftp kermit.columbia.edu:/kermit/archives/msvibm.zip
kermit.exe only: ftp kermit.columbia.edu:/kermit/bin/msvibm.exe

 - Vince

*************************************
   Vincent Fatica
   Syracuse University Mathematics
   vefatica@syr.edu
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vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) wrote:

>define bsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),-
>  if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},-
>  set file type binary, set delay 1, apc receive,-
>  if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,-
>  else send \%1

>For example, I would tell the remote (UNIX) Kermit to:

>	bsend file1 file2 file3

And in so writing, goofed! The macro allows for the use of wildcards. When
no wildcards are used, the second argument (not required) allows you to
specify a name for the lone received file. Examples:

bsend report.*
bsend report.may
bsend report.may may-95.rpt

 - Vince

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   Vincent Fatica
   Syracuse University Mathematics
   vefatica@syr.edu
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	Hello 

	Frank, I guess you are the person to answer this. What is the
upgrade policy for win95 kermit? In the future after I buy the program 
will I then have to pay extra for the updates as they become available?
Also I assume the license is with the user not the machine, is this
right? And finially will this run on win nt 3.51+ system?

	TIA
	PAul

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In comp.protocols.kermit.misc on Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:48:23 GMT,
jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) writes:
> jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes:
> 
> >hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) writes:
> 
> >>	I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a
> >>true GUI version of kermit that could be ported to Windows.
> 
> >See today's KERMIT news from Frank da Cruz: Kermit 95 will be out later
> >this year.  That's the good news; the bad news is that it won't be freeware
> >like the older KERMIT packages from Columbia.  Frank estimated the street
> >price to be US$54; bulk, site, and academic pricing is being worked out.
> 
> >I don't really like having to pay for it (or anything else, for that
> >matter) but it's difficult to argue with Frank's quite valid point that
> >everybody seems to be using KERMIT and few people are paying Columbia
> >anything for it.  Idealism is fine, but somehow you've got to get enough
> >money to pay the bills.  I spent twenty years in academia and I'm too
> >painfully aware of funding problems.
> 
> All true, and I can see your and Frank's point.  I still don't have to like
> it though.  I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of its
> media (such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its documentation
> is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great deal of ill will in
> the user community.
> 
> Jeff Berntsen
> jeffb@world.std.com

I disagree.

Windows 95 is going to be (is?) a popular operating system.  
I don't have the capability to use it, but from what I've 
seen, it's much nicer than I had expected it to be.

I have no qualms whatsoever with Frank.  If I were the type 
to bow down to a living person, Frank would be near the top 
of my list of idols.  

Frank, anyone who can take the heat like you do, who 
continues to support and promote dispite occasional 
negativity, has earned more than regular ol' respect from 
me.

Congratulations, Frank, for making the decision to charge 
for Windows 95 Kermit.  The people buying Windows 95 Kermit 
will probably entice their lower-end computer friends to get 
regular Kermit, especially if they get into script 
programming.

It's time that Kermit gets on the shelf, and while I won't 
be running even regular Windows for a long long time to 
come, I'll suggest to everyone I know with Windows 95 to 
purchase Kermit from the shelf, for it seems to be what 
Kermit has needed for a very long time now.

Thank goodness you Kermit folks at Columbia had the 
foresight *NOT* to write a Windows 3.x version, optimize 
MS-DOS Kermit to work fantastically under Windows 3.x, and 
wait for the next true operating system to get bundled with 
every computer under the sun.

Ken
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From: Luc Bollen <lb@brussels.logica.com>
Subject: Transfering files with upper case filenames
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I'm using kermit (mskermit V3.14) to transfer files from MS-DOS to UNIX, 
and due to a constraint of the Unix application that is processing the 
received files, the filenames must be created on the Unix machine in 
UPPER CASE.

Using a command like 'send FILE.DAT FILE.DAT' results in the filename 
created on the Unix machine to be in lower case (i.e. 'file.dat') in 
place of upper case (i.e. 'FILE.DAT').

Could anybody let me know if it is possible to get filenames created on 
the Unix machine in uppercase?  If yes, using which command ?


Thanks for your help.

Luc Bollen
Logica SA/NV




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From: sven@aftenposten.no (Sven Andreassen)
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:


>PRE-ANNOUNCING KERMIT FOR WINDOWS 95

>Kermit software for Windows 95 is on the way.  This is a full-featured,
>fully native, 32-bit communications software package for Windows 95 from
>the Kermit Team at Columbia University for both serial and TCP/IP
>communication.
----clip, clip
>The publication date is October 5th, 1995.
-----clip, clip

Will beta versions be available before the release date??  Our company
is very interested in this SW and would gladly pay the price if the SW
suits our needs.

Regards,
Sven Andreassen
Aftenposten, Norway
----> Sven Andreassen
----> sven@aftenposten.no


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In article <DEDq5F.8tz@carmen.logica.co.uk>,
Luc Bollen  <lb@brussels.logica.com> wrote:
: I'm using kermit (mskermit V3.14) to transfer files from MS-DOS to UNIX, 
: and due to a constraint of the Unix application that is processing the 
: received files, the filenames must be created on the Unix machine in 
: UPPER CASE.
: 
: Using a command like 'send FILE.DAT FILE.DAT' results in the filename 
: created on the Unix machine to be in lower case (i.e. 'file.dat') in 
: place of upper case (i.e. 'FILE.DAT').
: 
Nothing could be easier.  Just tell C-Kermit on UNIX to SET FILE NAMES
LITERAL.  Then send the files from the PC in the normal way; no need to
specify an "as-name".

- Frank

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In article <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes:
> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>>	Did you have a chance to look at the ARP cache on the Linux machine?
>>I've heard rumors (I don't use Linux) that it times out and can yield just
>>the effects noted. You might try pinging MSK from the Linux end as one way
>>of correcting its ARP cache.
> 
> You are definitely on the right track (and thanks for the fast response!).
> 
> I tried an experiment.  I let the MSK machine sit idle while
> connected to the Linux machine, and after 10 minutes (while true;
> do date; arp -a; sleep 60; done), I discovered that the Linux arp
> cache loses the HW address of the ethernet card, at which point,
> of course, the MSK machine appears to be frozen.
> 
> I tried pinging the MSK machine from the Linux machine, but it
> does not respond.  However, if I hand-entered the HW address for
> the MSK machine, then deleted this entry from the arp cache, and
> then added it again, I could reestablish input/output being shown
> on the MSK machine, and everything seems to work as it should.
>
	Looks as if you need to talk with the Linux folks about fixing
the mis-designed TCP/IP stack.
 
>>	You should also double check memory management on the PC to avoid
>>clobbering the Ethernet adapter (presumed, you didn't say), and also to
>>seek out and destroy IRQ & port conflicts. Remember to leave video memory,
>>segments A000-BFFF, to the video system. These matters are discussed in
>>the release notes. Do worry about PC screen savers and green machine
>>power-downs too. 
> 
> Thanks for these additional suggestions.  Good to know for the future,
> but the machine where I was having the problems is:
> 
> An elder XT with 640K.  There is no memory to manage, and
> definitely not green!  There are no screen savers.  There are
> keyboard and codepage drivers installed, as well as a Cyrnwr packet
> driver, otherwise no other TSRs. The monochrome monitor has a
> hercules-compatible card.  There is a single serial port IRQ4, and
> the ethernet adapter is IRQ3.  The ethernet adaptor is a 3c501.

	3C501? Yikes, that's a very poor board on any network these
days. NE-2000 clones cost very little and I recommend putting the 3C501
in the museum drawer (please).
 
> However, I tried the same experiment (with the same results) with
> a 486 VGA monitor machine and a 3c509 ethernet card, so I
> suspect the problem is not with MSK nor with the PC-hardware.
> 
> However, there is still one part that bothers me:  Why would MSK crash
> the PC in the process of exiting from MSK?  This happens even if I
> logout from the Linux machine (because it is still possible to
> issue commands, even if the arp cache has lost the ethernet address,
> and if it they are not shown on the monitor).  That doesn't seem
> right. (It doesn't crash if I reload the arp cache.)

	I have no idea, to tell the truth. MSK doesn't crash here when
the other end goes away. It takes awhile to time out but that's all.
I'm typically using ODI rather than a Packet Driver.
	Joe D. 

> Meanwhile, thanks very much for the insightful suggestion. 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Seth Chaiklin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Transfering files with upper case filenames
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In article <DEDq5F.8tz@carmen.logica.co.uk>, Luc Bollen <lb@brussels.logica.com> writes:
> I'm using kermit (mskermit V3.14) to transfer files from MS-DOS to UNIX, 
> and due to a constraint of the Unix application that is processing the 
> received files, the filenames must be created on the Unix machine in 
> UPPER CASE.
> 
> Using a command like 'send FILE.DAT FILE.DAT' results in the filename 
> created on the Unix machine to be in lower case (i.e. 'file.dat') in 
> place of upper case (i.e. 'FILE.DAT').
> 
> Could anybody let me know if it is possible to get filenames created on 
> the Unix machine in uppercase?  If yes, using which command ?
----------------
	If you read the C Kermit user's manual this is explained. The
command is SET FILE NAMES LITERAL. Try it; it works.
	Joe D.

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From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection?
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In article <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes:
| 
| Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
| >	Did you have a chance to look at the ARP cache on the Linux machine?
| >I've heard rumors (I don't use Linux) that it times out and can yield just
| >the effects noted. You might try pinging MSK from the Linux end as one way
| >of correcting its ARP cache.
| 
| You are definitely on the right track (and thanks for the fast response!).
| 
| I tried an experiment.  I let the MSK machine sit idle while
| connected to the Linux machine, and after 10 minutes (while true;
| do date; arp -a; sleep 60; done), I discovered that the Linux arp
| cache loses the HW address of the ethernet card, at which point,
| of course, the MSK machine appears to be frozen.

Note that most implementations intentionally time out ARP entries; this
is a feature.  I doubt that the entry is lost as such, though timeouts
are usually a bit longer.  You may be looking at an ARP bug in Linux
or kermit involving bad behavior when one side already knows the address.
These kinds of bugs come up more often than you might imagine since
the ARP process for mainly-client programs is usually one way and the
reverse process may be only lightly tested.  Keep in mind that the answerer
of an ARP request also retains the address of the caller to avoid sending
an ARP itself.  Starting with both machines ignorant of the hardware
addresses, the process might go like this:

kermit -> ARP-REQUEST -> Linux (saves kermit's hardware address)
Linux -> ARP-RESPONSE -> kermit

Since this is the most common sequence, kermit probably doesn't have to
answer ARP requests at all most of the time.

| I tried pinging the MSK machine from the Linux machine, but it
| does not respond.  However, if I hand-entered the HW address for
| the MSK machine, then deleted this entry from the arp cache, and
| then added it again, I could reestablish input/output being shown
| on the MSK machine, and everything seems to work as it should.

You'd need a network trace to be sure, but this suggests that kermit
isn't responding to ARPs in its current state.  (It could also be that
Linux isn't sending them at all, but that would be such a devastating
error that it would have been noticed long ago.  I hope.)  I think there
are at least two additional experiments that might shed light on the situation.
First, while in the bad state, try to ping it from another machine that
has never been involved with the connection at all.  This should tell
you whether kermit is willing to respond to anybody's ARP at this point.
If it doesn't respond then it has somehow been corrupted (or doesn't
respond to ARPs in general).  If it does respond then it may be that kermit
has a problem answering ARPs when it already knows the peer's hardware
address.  If it does not respond, move on to the next test:

Start kermit fresh and don't connect to anything (I assume you can do this
and still have the tcp running?).  Now try to ping kermit from a machine
which has no ARP entry for kermit.  If this works and the first test failed
then it is likely the program is becoming corrupted somehow.  If the second
test fails then kermit doesn't respond to ARPs at all (seems unlikely) or
you have some obscure problem with broadcasts and/or frame types that is
blocking ARPs in one direction.  (Don't laugh; I've seen it.)

The general idea is that things can work remarkably well with ARPs functioning
in only one direction and it takes something like a short cache timeout to
bring the problem to light.  Consider that one end could be totally incapable
of receiving broadcasts (bad NIC, bad driver, etc.) and it would still appear
to function normally as long as it always ARP'ed first and the peer had a long
timeout.

				Dan Lanciani
				ddl@harvard.*

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection?
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	Supplementing Dan's decent advice...

In article <2979@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM>, ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) writes:
> In article <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes:
> | 
> | Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
> | >	Did you have a chance to look at the ARP cache on the Linux machine?
> | >I've heard rumors (I don't use Linux) that it times out and can yield just
> | >the effects noted. You might try pinging MSK from the Linux end as one way
> | >of correcting its ARP cache.
> | 
> | You are definitely on the right track (and thanks for the fast response!).
> | 
> | I tried an experiment.  I let the MSK machine sit idle while
> | connected to the Linux machine, and after 10 minutes (while true;
> | do date; arp -a; sleep 60; done), I discovered that the Linux arp
> | cache loses the HW address of the ethernet card, at which point,
> | of course, the MSK machine appears to be frozen.
> 
> Note that most implementations intentionally time out ARP entries; this
> is a feature.  I doubt that the entry is lost as such, though timeouts
> are usually a bit longer.  You may be looking at an ARP bug in Linux
> or kermit involving bad behavior when one side already knows the address.
> These kinds of bugs come up more often than you might imagine since
> the ARP process for mainly-client programs is usually one way and the
> reverse process may be only lightly tested.  Keep in mind that the answerer
> of an ARP request also retains the address of the caller to avoid sending
> an ARP itself.  Starting with both machines ignorant of the hardware
> addresses, the process might go like this:
> 
> kermit -> ARP-REQUEST -> Linux (saves kermit's hardware address)
> Linux -> ARP-RESPONSE -> kermit
> 
> Since this is the most common sequence, kermit probably doesn't have to
> answer ARP requests at all most of the time.

	True, but MSK does answer ARPs all the time the TCP stack is
active (while there is a session going). MSK does regular ARP caching
too, but it does not timeout the entries for the currently used remote
hosts. The bug seems to be in Linux.

> | I tried pinging the MSK machine from the Linux machine, but it
> | does not respond.  However, if I hand-entered the HW address for
> | the MSK machine, then deleted this entry from the arp cache, and
> | then added it again, I could reestablish input/output being shown
> | on the MSK machine, and everything seems to work as it should.
> 
> You'd need a network trace to be sure, but this suggests that kermit
> isn't responding to ARPs in its current state.  (It could also be that
> Linux isn't sending them at all, but that would be such a devastating
> error that it would have been noticed long ago.  I hope.)  I think there
> are at least two additional experiments that might shed light on the situation.
> First, while in the bad state, try to ping it from another machine that
> has never been involved with the connection at all.  This should tell
> you whether kermit is willing to respond to anybody's ARP at this point.
> If it doesn't respond then it has somehow been corrupted (or doesn't
> respond to ARPs in general).  If it does respond then it may be that kermit
> has a problem answering ARPs when it already knows the peer's hardware
> address.  If it does not respond, move on to the next test:
> 
> Start kermit fresh and don't connect to anything (I assume you can do this
> and still have the tcp running?).  Now try to ping kermit from a machine
> which has no ARP entry for kermit.  If this works and the first test failed

	This won't work as intended because MSK does not run its TCP/IP stack
until a session has started (or is starting). After all, why run a TCP/IP 
stack if it's not being used?
	Probing MSK and the Linux box from a third uninvolved machine is
a good thing to do, however. Ping and traceroute both work with MSK.
	Something else to keep in mind is another station coming on the
air with MSK's IP number. That clobbers ARP caches. MSK 3.14 checks for
another station using it's IP address when the TCP/IP stack is started.
(It ARPs for its own IP number and declares any response an imposter. I
had to insert an special case to work around echoing by NDIS drivers.)

> then it is likely the program is becoming corrupted somehow.  If the second
> test fails then kermit doesn't respond to ARPs at all (seems unlikely) or
> you have some obscure problem with broadcasts and/or frame types that is
> blocking ARPs in one direction.  (Don't laugh; I've seen it.)

	I'm not laughing either. I've encountered worse.
 
> The general idea is that things can work remarkably well with ARPs functioning
> in only one direction and it takes something like a short cache timeout to
> bring the problem to light.  Consider that one end could be totally incapable
> of receiving broadcasts (bad NIC, bad driver, etc.) and it would still appear
> to function normally as long as it always ARP'ed first and the peer had a long
> timeout.

	There are still some rather unusual (eg, wierd) situations where ARP
responses simply don't get through. I don't know why, but they don't. One
always suspects one piece of code or another and probably one does have a
problem, but the saying "it does not happen here" applies to make diagnosis
difficult.
	Joe D. 
> 				Dan Lanciani
> 				ddl@harvard.*

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In article: <1995Aug31.092748.60213@cc.usu.edu>  jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe 
Doupnik) writes:
> 	If you read the release notes accompanying MSK v3.14 you will
> discover that TerminalR/S macros had to be abandoned because DEC used
> the communication codes for other purposes, sigh. In their places is the 
> much more general APC command, details of which are in the notes. I think
> you will like the APC command better.
> 	While you are rummaging around, may I recommend upgrading C Kermit
> to the modern era. It is version 5A(190) these days. Please visit 
> kermit.columbia.edu for the latest Kermits.
> 	Joe D.
> 
	Thanks Joe
	We are now up and running using the APC command, and I've also 
upgraded my C Kermit as suggested. The original didn't quite work with 
APC 
		Thanks again 

_______________________________________________________________________
Brenda Robb           City of Dundee District Council Dundee Scotland
Email  brenda@cddc.demon.co.uk      Tel:   +44 (0)382 434168 (direct line)
All views expressed are my own not my employers


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In article <DE93Gn.75H@world.std.com>, jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) writes:
> jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes:
>>hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) writes:
> 
>>>	I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a
>>>true GUI version of kermit that could be ported to Windows.
> 
>>See today's KERMIT news from Frank da Cruz: Kermit 95 will be out later
>>this year.  That's the good news; the bad news is that it won't be freeware
>>like the older KERMIT packages from Columbia.  Frank estimated the street
>>price to be US$54; bulk, site, and academic pricing is being worked out.
> 
>>I don't really like having to pay for it (or anything else, for that
>>matter) but it's difficult to argue with Frank's quite valid point that
>>everybody seems to be using KERMIT and few people are paying Columbia
>>anything for it.  Idealism is fine, but somehow you've got to get enough
>>money to pay the bills.  I spent twenty years in academia and I'm too
>>painfully aware of funding problems.
> 
> All true, and I can see your and Frank's point.  I still don't have to like
> it though.  I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of its
> media (such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its documentation
> is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great deal of ill will in
> the user community.

I disagree.  I think most people realize that you don't usually get
anything for free, and that the network community was very fortunate
to have people as dedicated as Frank and others who put out what
amounted to free software.

The alternatives to this were probably either to shut down the Kermit
effort entirely, or to convert it to some kind of groupware effort
like the Linux project.  In either case Columbia University would be
out of the picture as far as any kind of support goes;  and Frank
would not be available for user support at anywhere near the level
he has been, if he would be available at all.  Is this what everyone
wants?  Is anyone being forced to upgrade?  (Kermit 3.14 works perfectly
well under Windows 95 except that you can't have both the Windows 95
TCP/IP stack and the Kermit TCP/IP stack active at once).

Personally I think this is a much better approach to providing funding
for the Kermit project than what I think was the rather ill-advised
effort to have Kermit 3.* removed from BBSes and CD-ROMs.  _That_
generated considerable ill will because it all seemed so peculiar:
`You can use this software for free as long as you get it from our
FTP site, but you can't put it on a CD or a BBS.'  The only effects I
could see were that this might reduce the total number of Kermit users
and make those who still used it put even more load on the Columbia
FTP sites (therefore requiring more support hardware...).  At the time
I suggested that perhaps Kermit 3.* should be converted to shareware (I
bought the book, but how many others did?  Apparently not enough), but
I know there are some legal questions about whether that's possible;
and whether for that reason or for other reasons, Columbia did not think
it in their interest to do so.

I hope this solves Kermit's funding problems;  maybe they'll even be
able to provide more enhancements with the additional revenue.  I wish
Frank and Columbia University good luck with their venture;  I know I'll
be getting a copy of it.

Bruce C. Wright

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From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani)
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Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection?
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In article <1995Sep4.170019.60531@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
| 
| 	Supplementing Dan's decent advice...
| 
| In article <2979@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM>, ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) writes:
| > In article <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes:

| 	True, but MSK does answer ARPs all the time the TCP stack is
| active (while there is a session going). MSK does regular ARP caching
| too, but it does not timeout the entries for the currently used remote
| hosts. The bug seems to be in Linux.

I'd say that the limited information so far provided points to hardware/
drivers or kermit more than Linux, but at this point anything is possible.
(This is based on no internal knowledge of kermit or Linux but on the general
understanding that some kinds of ARP bugs are much more likely to be noticed
than others.)

| > Start kermit fresh and don't connect to anything (I assume you can do this
| > and still have the tcp running?).  Now try to ping kermit from a machine
| > which has no ARP entry for kermit.  If this works and the first test failed
| 
| 	This won't work as intended because MSK does not run its TCP/IP stack
| until a session has started (or is starting). After all, why run a TCP/IP 
| stack if it's not being used?

Well, I think we just demonstrated one reason. :)

I suggest then that you modify the test to start kermit fresh with one
connection to a random machine and do the ping as soon as possible
from another machine.  Of course, this is only interersting if the
first test failed, so maybe you don't need to do it at all.  The idea
was just to try to determine whether the hardware (or kermit image)
was becoming corrupt over time.

| 	Something else to keep in mind is another station coming on the
| air with MSK's IP number. That clobbers ARP caches.

This can't be happening in the case in question since it would result
in an incorrect ARP entry on the Linux machine (as opposed to the lack
of any entry as observed).

|MSK 3.14 checks for
| another station using it's IP address when the TCP/IP stack is started.
| (It ARPs for its own IP number and declares any response an imposter. I
| had to insert an special case to work around echoing by NDIS drivers.)

Wouldn't it be funny if that special case was somehow accidentally filtering
out the ARP request from Linux?  I wonder if there is anything unusual (but
legal) about Linux ARP requests?  A network trace of this problem would
make diagnosis _so_ much easier...

| 	There are still some rather unusual (eg, wierd) situations where ARP
| responses simply don't get through. I don't know why, but they don't. One

Is this in general or something specific to kermit?

| always suspects one piece of code or another and probably one does have a
| problem, but the saying "it does not happen here" applies to make diagnosis
| difficult.

				Dan Lanciani
				ddl@harvard.*

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I'm very excited to hear about the newly available Kermit for Windows 95.
I've got my order in.

My question is how does Kermit interact with TAPI (or Telephony API)?

Will it co-exist with my MSN connection and Internet connection as
well as TAPI compliant FAX programs?

Is there a way to dial into my machine and have the new connection
forwarded to a Kermit script?


Just trying to plan ahead.
Thanks,
Robbie Barton

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3626 N. Hall Street, Suite 616, Dallas, TX 75219
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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection?
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In article <2980@sun3.ipswitch.com>, Dan Lanciani <ddl@harvard.edu> wrote:

>Wouldn't it be funny if that special case was somehow accidentally filtering
>out the ARP request from Linux?  I wonder if there is anything unusual (but
>legal) about Linux ARP requests?  A network trace of this problem would
>make diagnosis _so_ much easier...

I noticed some time ago that 3.14 would time out and lose it's connection
to AT&T Svr4 machines but not to Dell Svr4.  But, I mostly have
winsock stacks these days so I went back to 3.12 on the dos machines
and it doesn't have the problem.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection?
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In article <42ie3r$cfo@Mars.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <2980@sun3.ipswitch.com>, Dan Lanciani <ddl@harvard.edu> wrote:
> 
>>Wouldn't it be funny if that special case was somehow accidentally filtering
>>out the ARP request from Linux?  I wonder if there is anything unusual (but
>>legal) about Linux ARP requests?  A network trace of this problem would
>>make diagnosis _so_ much easier...
> 
> I noticed some time ago that 3.14 would time out and lose it's connection
> to AT&T Svr4 machines but not to Dell Svr4.  But, I mostly have
> winsock stacks these days so I went back to 3.12 on the dos machines
> and it doesn't have the problem.
> 
> Les Mikesell
>   les@mcs.com
--------
	As always, I remain attentive to these problems, even if I can't
nail down the effect at my place. MSK sits for hours to my SVR4 machine
and finally the latter decides that I've gone home and logs me out. It's
a UnixWare 2.02 box.
	The comment that Linux loses its ARP cache entry and can't communicate
until it's filled in by subtrafuge leads one to believe there is a Linux
problem.
	For tracking ARP requests arriving at an MSK machine I have available
privately a special version which displays each such incoming request. Please
contact me directly (jrd@cc.usu.edu) for the test tool; it is NOT for general
distribution, please, so don't ask without a really good story plus a note
from your Mom.
	To record who said what to whom on a very short time scale basis
we have the Crynwr Collection Trace and Dump programs. Trace has only a
55KB (approx) buffer in which to write packets and that does not last long
on a network. Netwatch can show things visually, if desired. Both are free.
See netlab1.usu.edu pub/mirror/pktdrvr and pub/netwatch, resp.
	Finally, on Dan's thread, MSK can be made Internet active without
a remote host (and hence respond to Pings etc) by putting it into TN server
mode: SET PORT TCP *  and then  CONNECT. The star means be a Telnet server.
        Joe D.

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> From: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey)
> Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95
> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 06:53:53 GMT

> I suppose it's obvious but I assume that source will not be available
> for Kermit for Windows 95?

> From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
> Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95
> Date: 3 Sep 1995 14:55:50 GMT

> Some parts will, some parts won't.  The parts that won't were all done
> here, at our own expense -- and that's money that must be recouped.

Partial source is just a token unless the user can recompile and/or
relink the product themselves.  Please, if you want to make your
offering of source more than a pretense then please provide linkable
objects or libraries for the rest of the system.

Best of wishes on your commercial venture.  Thanks again for all your
support over the years.  I will regret the missed opportunity of
assisting in the process by finding bugs or porting to new operating
systems.  I will try to continue to support you in spite of your
change in status.  Remember to treat other platforms consistently and
to begin charging for C-Kermit and MS-Kermit.  Good luck.

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From: holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes)
Subject: change c-kermit lockfile?
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Is it possible to change the format & location of the c-kermit lockfile?  
I am running linux and want the lock to be ascii, not binary, and other than
in /usr/spool/uucp.  Right now I have altered all the other serial port
apps to use binary locks and have put a symbolic link to /var/lock, where
I want the locks to be.  

Can I change it so that the locks are ascii and in /var/lock?

Thanks for any insight into this.


Tim Holmes
holmes@gorilla.nbn.com

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From: unikh@inet.uni-c.dk (Klaus Hessellund)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Cancel File transfer
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Hi All,


How do I cancel a filetransfer with the kermit and zmodem protocol?

I think zmodem is canceled by pressing <ctrl>-x several times, but I'm 
not sure.

Regards 
Klaus Hessellund


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From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95
Organization: Omen Technology INC
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 07:10:45 GMT
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In article <42cflm$15a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <JRS.95Sep3025353@world.std.com>,
>Rick Sladkey <jrs@world.std.com> wrote:
>> I suppose it's obvious but I assume that source will not be available
>> for Kermit for Windows 95?
>>
>Some parts will, some parts won't.  The parts that won't were all done
>here, at our own expense -- and that's money that must be recouped.
>
>This is not from a desire to be secretive, but rather because historically
>code from our software has been incorporated into hundreds of commercial
>and shareware programs, most often without permission.  If the new Windows
>95 code is of any value, and we believe it is, the same thing would happen
>if we made it public.  Our project was not established for that purpose.

Frank, which of these hundreds of commercial and shareware
programs have incorporated your Kermit source code in violation
of Columbia's Copyright?  According to your Kermit News #5 none of
the other comms programs had a decent Kermit implementation.
Have hundreds of authors filched your code since then???

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX    caf@omen.COM             www.omen.com
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
 Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746    FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95
Organization: Omen Technology INC
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In article <42cflm$15a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>None of the communications software that has been announced for Windows 95
>is less expensive than Kermit 95.  Most of it is in the $129 range.  For
>universities, our academic site licensing plan should allay all fears
>about cost.  This was posted yesterday.

I haven't spammed the net with pre-announcements of the
Windows-95 flavor of ZCOMM, so perhaps not everyone is familiar
with ZCOMM.  A beta test version of ZCOMM for Win95/NT has been
up on the FTP site and TeleGodzilla.

ZCOMM has a very favorable academic use provision, much better
than the announcements I've seen for Kermit.  Students may use
unregistered copies of ZCOMM in the discharge of assigned
coursework for the duration of the course without obligation to
register.  As always, unmodified ZCOMM archive files may be
freely redistributed on BBS systems, information utilities,
"shareware collection CDROMS", etc..

Check the web page www.omen.com

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX    caf@omen.COM             www.omen.com
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
 Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746    FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: unikh@inet.uni-c.dk (Klaus Hessellund)
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Subject: Cancel File transfer
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Hi All,

How do I cancel a file tranfer with the kermit and zmodem protocol?

I think zmodem is canceled with <ctrl>-x several times, but I'm not sure.
 
Regards

Klaus Hessellund

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: K-95 and TAPI
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In article <42iatk$bi5@feenix.metronet.com>,
Brit Systems <brit@metronet.com> wrote:
: I'm very excited to hear about the newly available Kermit for Windows 95.
: I've got my order in.
: 
: My question is how does Kermit interact with TAPI (or Telephony API)?
: 
As much as it can if you want it to.  If you choose a TAPI port, Kermit
uses the TAPI driver, obtains your location info from TAPI for purposes of
interpreting phone numbers, lets TAPI control and dial the modem, etc.
Kermit 95 also lets you choose a "bare" COM port, in which case Kermit 95
does the dialing and serial i/o itself.

: Will it co-exist with my MSN connection and Internet connection as
: well as TAPI compliant FAX programs?
: 
By using the TAPI Line Device, the port it is associated with is not
locked by the application until a call is attempted.  As long as your
application uses TAPI, and you use a TAPI device instead of directly
specifying a COM port, you can share the device.

: Is there a way to dial into my machine and have the new connection
: forwarded to a Kermit script?
: 
A Kermit script can be written to configure any TAPI or Modem device for
autoanswer mode.  Kermit's INPUT, MINPUT, and SERVER commands can be used
to process data after the call comes in.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: change c-kermit lockfile?
Date: 6 Sep 1995 12:45:30 GMT
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In article <DEGtrJ.45p@gorilla.nbn.com>,
Tim Holmes <holmes@gorilla.nbn.com> wrote:
: Is it possible to change the format & location of the c-kermit lockfile?  
: 
Of course.  You've got the source code, change it to whatever you like,
at your own risk.  As you will note, there are already two (2) different
and incompatible lock file conventions for Linux, and dozens of them for
other UNIX variations and releases thereof.  Read the UNIX appendix of
"Using C-Kermit" and/or the file ckuins.doc for details.

: I am running linux and want the lock to be ascii, not binary, and other
: than in /usr/spool/uucp.  Right now I have altered all the other serial
: port apps to use binary locks and have put a symbolic link to /var/lock,
: where I want the locks to be.
: 
The purpose of the lock file is to be where all applications can find it,
so all of these applications will interoperate.  Changing it is probably
a bad idea.  Eventually you will install another application, and another,
and you'll have to go through this over and over again.

: Can I change it so that the locks are ascii and in /var/lock?
: 
You can change it any way you like if that's what you really want.
Read the aforementioned references.

In fact, maybe all you need to do is build Linux C-Kermit for the "other"
lockfile standard, known as FSSTND:

  make linux KFLAGS=-DLINUXFSSTND

This selects /var/lock as the lockfile directory and write the pid in ascii.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Cancel File transfer
Date: 6 Sep 1995 12:49:17 GMT
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In article <42jl49$t7b@news.uni-c.dk>,
Klaus Hessellund <unikh@inet.uni-c.dk> wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>
>How do I cancel a filetransfer with the kermit and zmodem protocol?
>
>I think zmodem is canceled by pressing <ctrl>-x several times
>
Usually 5 times.  With Kermit, as explained in all of the documentation,
you have many options for cancellation:

 . 2 or consecutive 3 control C's (to a remote Kermit in packet mode)
 . To local Kermit:

   X = cancel current file, continue with group
   Z = cancel current file and return to prompt
   E = cancel with a fatal error (in case X or Z are not supported
       by the remote)

In fact, when you start up a Kermit transfer, this legend is printed on
your screen, at least if you are using real Kermit software.

- Frank

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From: randy.witlicki@hanover.valley.net (Randy Witlicki)
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Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection?
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 17:06:29 GMT
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   I have another data point to add and perhaps confuse things:

   I recently helped a library convert from a DOS based library
automation package to a UNIX based system (Innopac from
Innovative Interfaces).  Most of the PCs are of the diskless
286 and 386 variety on a Novell Netware network.  The
protocol stack was monolithic IPX/NETX which I updated
to  current NETX with the odipkt shim so kermit could talk TCP/IP.
The existing frame type was 802.3 so I added Ethernet_II to
the Net.CFG files.  (to be updated to Ethernet_II only at some
future date).  This is a single segment network with
bridges, routers, or other outside connections.
The Unix box is a Dec Alpha 3000.
The PCs have DANET (Direct Access - Network) as their
menu front end.

   So, to finally get to the problem:  After about 10 minutes of
sitting idle, the Kermit TCP/IP connection to the UNIX box
times out and the PC drops back to the menu program - it
doesn't hang, no reboot needed, it just drops the connection
after about 10 minutes....

- Randy



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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: PC SERVER QUESTION
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In article <42kq7k$fb8@ccnet2.ccnet.com>, gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> I need some help with the Kermit server setup.  I have the book
> (excellent - good job guys) and have read the FAQ, but obviously not
> all three synapses are not firing correctly ;-)!
> 
> Here is what I am trying to do.  At work, on this PC, I want to call
> my PC at home and transfer files back and forth when the need arises.
> Both PCs are running the latest version of CKermit, so the software is
> OK.  My script at home is:
> 
> DEFINE GOSERVER -
> 	SET CARRIER ON,-
> 	SET PORT COM3:,-
> 	SET SPEED 57600,-
> 	SET FILE TYPE BINARY,-
> 	SET RECEIVE-PACKET 9024,-
> 	SET WINDOW 32,-
> 	SET SERVER LOGIN x x,-
> 	SET SERVER TIMEOUT 0
> 
> then at the Kermit prompt I type GOSERVER and then I am presented with
> the server screen, all OK.
> 
> At work, I call my home PC and the number rings, and rings, and rings
> until finally it times out.
-----------
	All is fine above, but I'll be you forgot to program your modem
to answer the phone. That's normally ATS0=<number of rings, 0 for don't
answer>. See your modem's instruction booklet. Try it from another phone.
	You can save memory by reducing the number of sliding window
slots to say 4. More won't be used on such a link. Save time by shortening
packets to say 2KB so that a glitch will have fewer bytes to repeat. Little
is gained abouve 1KB packet lengths (the packet header overhead is small
to begin with).
	The server will follow text/binary from MSK 3.14 client, so just
use SET FILE TYPE Binary/Text on the client and the server will obey too.
	Joe D.

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From: gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard)
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Subject: PC SERVER QUESTION
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Hi all,

I need some help with the Kermit server setup.  I have the book
(excellent - good job guys) and have read the FAQ, but obviously not
all three synapses are not firing correctly ;-)!

Here is what I am trying to do.  At work, on this PC, I want to call
my PC at home and transfer files back and forth when the need arises.
Both PCs are running the latest version of CKermit, so the software is
OK.  My script at home is:

DEFINE GOSERVER -
	SET CARRIER ON,-
	SET PORT COM3:,-
	SET SPEED 57600,-
	SET FILE TYPE BINARY,-
	SET RECEIVE-PACKET 9024,-
	SET WINDOW 32,-
	SET SERVER LOGIN x x,-
	SET SERVER TIMEOUT 0

then at the Kermit prompt I type GOSERVER and then I am presented with
the server screen, all OK.

At work, I call my home PC and the number rings, and rings, and rings
until finally it times out.

Any ideas/thoughts/suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
Greg Bernard                     gbernard@dbc.com
1900 South Norfolk Street        All opinions, if I had any, are my own.
San Mateo CA 94403


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Kermit 95 and Windows NT
Date: 7 Sep 1995 00:35:52 GMT
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Frequently asked questions about Kermit 95:

Q: Does Kermit 95 work in Windows 3.x or Windows for Workgroups 3.11?

A: No.  Kermit 95 is a strictly 32-bit application.  MS-DOS Kermit is the
   Kermit software for Windows 3.0 and 3.1 and WfW 3.11.

Q: Does Kermit 95 work in Windows NT Workstation 3.5x?

A: Yes, beginning with NT version 3.51.  Although all our development has
   been concentrated on Windows 95, we have done some extra work to allow it
   also to operate under Windows NT 3.51.  It can run, for example, without
   the presence of the Windows Telephony (TAPI) DLL, which is not yet
   available for NT, and it can make serial connections using its own
   built-in serial-port handler.  However, since Kermit 95 is primarily
   targeted at Windows 95, there might be some inconsistencies in the
   messages, banners, and so forth.

This will be added to our Web page and will be expanded as more questions
are frequently asked.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: What is the upgrade policy of kermit for win 95?
Date: 7 Sep 1995 00:40:45 GMT
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In article <42e4pn$qa3@cc.joensuu.fi>,
Paul Hounsell <hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi> wrote:
>Frank, I guess you are the person to answer this. What is the
>upgrade policy for win95 kermit? In the future after I buy the program 
>will I then have to pay extra for the updates as they become available?
>
This upgrade and licensing of individual copies is still being worked out.
We'll publish the details when we have have them.  Also, note that site
licenses include upgrades as long as the annual fee is paid.

>And finially will this run on win nt 3.51+ system?
>
Yes.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection?
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In article <42kk5c$afd@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, randy.witlicki@pop.valley.net (Randy Witlicki) writes:
>    I have another data point to add and perhaps confuse things:
> 
>    I recently helped a library convert from a DOS based library
> automation package to a UNIX based system (Innopac from
> Innovative Interfaces).  Most of the PCs are of the diskless
> 286 and 386 variety on a Novell Netware network.  The
> protocol stack was monolithic IPX/NETX which I updated
> to  current NETX with the odipkt shim so kermit could talk TCP/IP.
> The existing frame type was 802.3 so I added Ethernet_II to
> the Net.CFG files.  (to be updated to Ethernet_II only at some
> future date).  This is a single segment network with
> bridges, routers, or other outside connections.
> The Unix box is a Dec Alpha 3000.
> The PCs have DANET (Direct Access - Network) as their
> menu front end.
> 
>    So, to finally get to the problem:  After about 10 minutes of
> sitting idle, the Kermit TCP/IP connection to the UNIX box
> times out and the PC drops back to the menu program - it
> doesn't hang, no reboot needed, it just drops the connection
> after about 10 minutes....
----------
	Hmmmm, as they say. I have an idea, one needing a little assistance
from your side. The idea is the other end is using one method of TCP
session keepalives and Kermit is expecting another. The assistance is
to record packets around the ten minute mark and send me the ASCII packet
dumps. That takes a packet monitor, and ones doing nifty recording/dumps are 
not free.
	Anyone else able to duplicate this experimental setup?
	Thanks,
	Joe D.

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Thank you, that is exactly what I wanted to hear.

Robbie Barton

--
BRIT Systems, Medical Imaging
3626 N. Hall Street, Suite 616, Dallas, TX 75219
(214) 528-4446 fax: (214) 528-4916

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit file transfer between VMS and Windows.
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In article <42ntdk$6jn@t500.vol.it>, mrcznc@mbox.vol.it (Marco Zanchi) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to write a win 16 software to transfer file from a VMS server and a
> PC. I bought the saxsoft's saxcomm libs to get kermit protocol and the file
> transfer seems to work correctly. The problem is that i have no idea on how can
> i send commands to the VMS running kermit in server mode. Is it enough to send a
> simple string with the proper command (eg. get file) or is there a real protocol
> behind the command you send with mskermit?
----------
	There is a full protocol behind those commands, not simple text
strings. I have not encountered saxcomm so I'll pass by comments on its
Kermit protocol implementation. The rules to the game are contained in
a book, "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, and supplemented
by more recent protocol additions described in files on kermit.columbia.edu.
	Joe D.

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From: honeycutt@unca.edu (Mike Honeycutt)
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Let me begin by saying I have the highest
respect for Frank, Joe and everyone who
contributed to the Kermit effort over the
years.  At the very least, these people
deserve our thanks and praise.

The two main attractions of Kermit to us are
it is basically free and it is basically
free.  If the Windows 95 version is commercial,
I would have very serious doubts about how
well it could compete with the dozens of other
Windows' communication programs already available.
As for tech support, I handle almost all of it
for our campus and post questions to this
newsgroup two or three times a year.  I figure
you do your part and I do mine.  I applaud your
academic pricing and your feature list for 
Kermit 95 but unfortunately, it *always* comes 
down to which product offers the most bang for the
least bucks for us.

I've used Kermit since the mid-80's and it 
is like an old friend (and still has the 
best VT220, VT320 emulation I've found).  
The interface was never super friendly
but it was free after all.  I don't mean for this
message to sound like the death of Kermit but in
the beginning, Kermit seemed to be a labor 
of love - I regret things have to change
with the Windows' version.

How about some reasonably small sum of money - maybe
$500 - paid to Columbia each year for unlimited site
license.  We agree to provide tech support for the
product and have only one person per site who can call
Columbia for support.  I suggest trying the honor system
and to (politely) refuse help to sites that don't pay.
I don't know what kind of expenses you currently incur but
this scheme quickly produces a lot of money 
(1000 sites * $500 = $500,000 a year).

Let me close by saying I truly hope the
new Windows' version succeeds.  The Kermit
team deserves much more recognition - include
financial - than it has ever received.

Good Luck
Mike Honeycutt  UNC Asheville University Computing  honeycutt@unca.edu

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From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley)
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Subject: Re: What is the upgrade policy of kermit for win 95?
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>And finially will this run on win nt 3.51+ system?

I second that question, and raise with another: Will the Windows version
have the ability to fully control exactly what each and every keystroke
generates in terminal emulation mode? (Like I can do in DOS).

(I keep seeing all sorts of people saying kermit isn't as fully featured
as this or that other program, but the one feature I use most in kermit
is the ability to remap keys with different strings being generated for
different Alt/Ctrl/Shift combinations, and most, if not all, other
terminal emulators I have looked at are really pitiful when it comes to
letting you program the keyboard, so from my point of view, kermit is
much more fully featured than all those other products...)
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: What is the upgrade policy of kermit for win 95?
Date: 8 Sep 1995 15:10:40 GMT
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In article <TOM.95Sep7110437@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com>,
Tom Horsley <Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com> wrote:
: >And finially will this run on win nt 3.51+ system?
: 
: I second that question...
: 
The answer is:  Yes, it will run on Windows NT Workstation 3.51 on Intel
platforms only.

Later there will be an NT-specific release whose major difference from
the Windows 95 version will be the ability to run on non-Intel platforms.

Just out of curiosity...  How many client NT systems are out there?
We had been under the impression that only a few NT systems were running
at each site, in a kind of experimental or evaluation mode.  Not that
it makes a difference, but we have been surprised by the amount of feedback
of this nature, and the more we know about the user base, the better we
can apportion our efforts.

: ... and raise with another: Will the Windows version
: have the ability to fully control exactly what each and every keystroke
: generates in terminal emulation mode? (Like I can do in DOS).
: 
: (I keep seeing all sorts of people saying kermit isn't as fully featured
: as this or that other program, but the one feature I use most in kermit
: is the ability to remap keys with different strings being generated for
: different Alt/Ctrl/Shift combinations, and most, if not all, other
: terminal emulators I have looked at are really pitiful when it comes to
: letting you program the keyboard, so from my point of view, kermit is
: much more fully featured than all those other products...)
:
From ours too :-)

Kermit 95 will have at least as much flexibility on the keyboard as
MS-DOS Kermit.  We will absolutely positively differentiate each key
combo, rather than lumping certain combinations together.

- Frank

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In article <42o3jh$2qk_001@balsam.unca.edu>,
Mike Honeycutt <honeycutt@unca.edu> wrote:
: Let me begin by saying I have the highest
: respect for Frank, Joe and everyone who
: contributed to the Kermit effort over the
: years.  At the very least, these people
: deserve our thanks and praise.
: 
Thanks!

: The two main attractions of Kermit to us are
: it is basically free and it is basically
: free.
:
I can understand that.  Everybody would prefer
to get stuff for free than to pay for it.

: If the Windows 95 version is commercial,
: I would have very serious doubts about how
: well it could compete with the dozens of other
: Windows' communication programs already available.
:
Let's hope it holds its own.  Otherwise, we're
outa here.  Simple as that.  Developing and supporting
Kermit software on the scale that its present usage
demands is a full-time job for a certain number of
people.  People need food, shelter, etc, and therefore
need salaries.  The reality is, we need more people
than we have now, not less, in order to support even
the present level of usage.  Because of the "new
spirit" of the Internet and the proliferation of
"free software" CDROMS, the demands on our time are
higher than ever and income is lower than ever.  The
old model does not work any more.

: How about some reasonably small sum of money ...
: paid to Columbia each year for unlimited site
: license.
:
That is exactly what our academic site license is.
The dollar amount might differ from the one you propose,
but not by much.  It won't break anybody's budget.

: Let me close by saying I truly hope the
: new Windows' version succeeds.  The Kermit
: team deserves much more recognition - include
: financial - than it has ever received.
: 
Thanks!

- Frank

P.S. The Kermit 95 Web page is updated about once
a day.  Now we have academic site licensing info,
screen shots, an FAQ, and more:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

Drop by any time!

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Is there anything special that would have to be specified from c-kermit
in order to run an upload (rather large) in the background (specifically
timed in the evening).  I've tried running it in the background and it 
crashes on me and fills up my /tmp filesystem with some junk file.

anyone else ever tried this?

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From: Rick Owens <rowens@cyberport.net>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 21:30:11 GMT
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:

>As announced a few weeks ago, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 has been slightly updated
>in several ways:

> . A new KERMIT.EXE fixes a problem with TCP/IP ARP resolution.
> . New patch files have been issued.
> . A new font utility is now included.

>The ZIP file containing these updates was placed in kermit/msdos for a
>period of testing, and seems to have checked out OK, so it has now become
>the official version.  Effective today (July 5), the new ZIP, EXE, and PCH
>files have been installed in all the regular places:

Um, there may still be a problem with TCP/IP ARP resolution.  First, some
background:  Our campus network is composed of an Ethernet backbone and an
Arcnet backbone.  The two are connected through our primary Novell file
server (3.11, FWIW).  We've been using Kermit with ODI drivers to connect
to the Unix hosts on our network (all such hosts are connected to the
Ethernet backbone) for about two years now.  We're planning to make some
major changes in the next few months, and in preparation I've been updating
our set of Kermit scripts for MS-Kermit 3.14 and to take advantage of other
changes to available software, servers, etc.

Several days ago I downloaded the updated 3.14 mentioned above and today I
put kermit.exe and the patch files on the file server for everyone to
access.  I found, though, that our users on Arcnet machines could no longer
access our Unix hosts; Kermit would complain that it could not find the
address of the gateway using ARP.  (Ethernet connected machines work just
fine with the same set of files.)  I suspected that there might be a
problem with the patch file so I renamed it; same result.  I tried tweaking
various settings without any luck; finally I thought to try the earlier
version of 3.14.  That fixed the problem!

The machines in question are running MS-DOS 6, 5, and 3.3.  The ODI driver
is called TRXNET; the boards are mostly Compex brand.  The only difference
between a working setup and a non-working setup is which version of the
executable and patch file is in place.

I said 'may' in the first line above because I'm not very familiar with
TCP/IP internals and how they're interacting with ODI and the Arcnet driver
and card, and I don't have the resources here to do comparison testing.  I
would not be surprised to find that there's something peculiar in the
TRXNET board driver which is responsible for the error message from
MS-Kermit re. ARP.  It could also be something strange with the NLM which
forwards IP and ARP packets between media.  However, in case it is a Kermit
problem, I figured I should let everyone know about it.  If anyone needs
more information about our setup (e.g. file dates, or whatever) please ask.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <DELqA9.I24@utnetw.utoledo.edu>,
craig szczublewski <crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu> wrote:
>Is there anything special that would have to be specified from c-kermit
>in order to run an upload (rather large) in the background (specifically
>timed in the evening).  I've tried running it in the background and it 
>crashes on me and fills up my /tmp filesystem with some junk file.
>
>anyone else ever tried this?
>
Lots of people, including me, do it all the time.  Kermit does not write
into /tmp unless you tell it to -- it's probably cron or something related
to it.

Unfortunately, your question is much to vague to result in a useful
answer.  What operating system and version?  Which version of Kermit?
Exactly how are you starting it and where is it getting its commands from
and what are the commands?  etc etc.

In general, the best method is to tell Kermit to read its commands from
a file, and to redirect its standard output to some other file, for
example (a cron job that runs every four hours):

 0 0,4,8,12,16,20 * * * (cd /usr/olaf; kermit -y /oofa.scr > oofa.log)

where oofa.scr is a file containing all the commands you want C-Kermit 
to execute.

- Frank

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I'm using C-Kermit 5 on a Sparc 10 running Solaris 2.4 with a Hayes
Smartmodem 1200. 

When I dial and the number is busy, kermit simply waits until the dial
timeout interval has expired, then reports that error (dial timeout
expired). Is there a set command I should use to make Kermit respond
with an error message to a busy signal ?

Also, if the modem is not connected to the phone line, Kermit will
still dial the number and wait util the timeout has expired. Should
it be looking for a dialtone? How about recognizing a ring? 

All of the internal switches on the modem are set correctly for
returning error codes, etc. , and kermit works fine with the modem
if everything's connected correctly and the number is not busy.

Any ideas?


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From: mrcznc@mbox.vol.it (Marco Zanchi)
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Hi,

I'm trying to write a win 16 software to transfer file from a VMS server and a
PC. I bought the saxsoft's saxcomm libs to get kermit protocol and the file
transfer seems to work correctly. The problem is that i have no idea on how can
i send commands to the VMS running kermit in server mode. Is it enough to send a
simple string with the proper command (eg. get file) or is there a real protocol
behind the command you send with mskermit?

Thank you very much for your help.


P.S.  Please, send e-mail to me too.


mrcznc@mbox.vol.it




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jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:

>	There is a full protocol behind those commands, not simple text
>strings. I have not encountered saxcomm so I'll pass by comments on its
>Kermit protocol implementation. The rules to the game are contained in
>a book, "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, and supplemented
>by more recent protocol additions described in files on kermit.columbia.edu.
>	Joe D.


Thank you for your answer. The problem now is that here in Italy it is not easy
to find that book soon and i need it now. Also, I only need to know only a few
information about the problem i told you about. Is there any place around the
Net where I can find such documentation ?

Bye

mrcznc@mbox.vol.it



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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: C-Kemir from a cron job
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In article <42qj0l$43o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <DELqA9.I24@utnetw.utoledo.edu>,
>craig szczublewski <crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu> wrote:
>>Is there anything special that would have to be specified from c-kermit
>>in order to run an upload (rather large) in the background (specifically
>>timed in the evening).  I've tried running it in the background and it 
>>crashes on me and fills up my /tmp filesystem with some junk file.
>>
>>anyone else ever tried this?
>>
>Lots of people, including me, do it all the time.  Kermit does not write
>into /tmp unless you tell it to -- it's probably cron or something related
>to it.

Cron normally collects stdout and mails it to the owner of the cron
job, so the problem is likely kermit sending lots of stuff to
stdout.

>In general, the best method is to tell Kermit to read its commands from
>a file, and to redirect its standard output to some other file, for
>example (a cron job that runs every four hours):
>
> 0 0,4,8,12,16,20 * * * (cd /usr/olaf; kermit -y /oofa.scr > oofa.log)
>
>where oofa.scr is a file containing all the commands you want C-Kermit 
>to execute.

I usually write a shell wrapper that will do some retries and report
complete failures, although you could do that in the kermit script
as well.  Keep in mind that you don't ever want to go to 'connect'
mode in a script - do everything with 'input' and 'output', and
unless you are manually debugging, be sure 'take echo' and 'input echo'
are turned off.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition
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In article <42qciv$c6k@cpmt.cyberport.net>, Rick Owens <rowens@cyberport.net> writes:
> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
> 
>>As announced a few weeks ago, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 has been slightly updated
>>in several ways:
> 
>> . A new KERMIT.EXE fixes a problem with TCP/IP ARP resolution.
>> . New patch files have been issued.
>> . A new font utility is now included.
> 
>>The ZIP file containing these updates was placed in kermit/msdos for a
>>period of testing, and seems to have checked out OK, so it has now become
>>the official version.  Effective today (July 5), the new ZIP, EXE, and PCH
>>files have been installed in all the regular places:
> 
> Um, there may still be a problem with TCP/IP ARP resolution.  First, some
> background:  Our campus network is composed of an Ethernet backbone and an
> Arcnet backbone.  The two are connected through our primary Novell file
> server (3.11, FWIW).  We've been using Kermit with ODI drivers to connect
> to the Unix hosts on our network (all such hosts are connected to the
> Ethernet backbone) for about two years now.  We're planning to make some
> major changes in the next few months, and in preparation I've been updating
> our set of Kermit scripts for MS-Kermit 3.14 and to take advantage of other
> changes to available software, servers, etc.
> 
> Several days ago I downloaded the updated 3.14 mentioned above and today I
> put kermit.exe and the patch files on the file server for everyone to
> access.  I found, though, that our users on Arcnet machines could no longer
> access our Unix hosts; Kermit would complain that it could not find the
> address of the gateway using ARP.  (Ethernet connected machines work just
> fine with the same set of files.)  I suspected that there might be a
> problem with the patch file so I renamed it; same result.  I tried tweaking
> various settings without any luck; finally I thought to try the earlier
> version of 3.14.  That fixed the problem!
> 
> The machines in question are running MS-DOS 6, 5, and 3.3.  The ODI driver
> is called TRXNET; the boards are mostly Compex brand.  The only difference
> between a working setup and a non-working setup is which version of the
> executable and patch file is in place.
> 
> I said 'may' in the first line above because I'm not very familiar with
> TCP/IP internals and how they're interacting with ODI and the Arcnet driver
> and card, and I don't have the resources here to do comparison testing.  I
> would not be surprised to find that there's something peculiar in the
> TRXNET board driver which is responsible for the error message from
> MS-Kermit re. ARP.  It could also be something strange with the NLM which
> forwards IP and ARP packets between media.  However, in case it is a Kermit
> problem, I figured I should let everyone know about it.  If anyone needs
> more information about our setup (e.g. file dates, or whatever) please ask.
----------
	Ugh(tm). Arcnet with ODI has its share of problems when it comes
to ARP. An ARCnet MAC address is one byte long, yet ODI provides six byte
MAC addresses. Which end of that string will the byte appear? Undocumented.
The medium ident appearing in an ARP packet reflects the kind of wiring,
6 for Ethernet and presumably 7 for ARCnet. I did make some changes in the
MAC address extraction procedure in MSK mark II, and maybe something got
broken.
	I tested earlier MSK's with ARCnet, and honestly I found that
arrangment to be flakey at best. It's not MSK but rather whatever IP
routing a NW server does in that case. I found that connections would
cease operating after a while or be reluctant to progress. 
	I'll see if I can resolve the situation. It's a little awkward because
I have to take apart machines and move them to construct an ARCnet environment
and then route IP to Ethernet. This may take several days because I'm eyeballs
deep in swamp creatures already and students are about to descend upon my
place en masse.
	Joe D.

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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition
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In article <1995Sep9.114915.60947@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:

[...]
| 	Ugh(tm). Arcnet with ODI has its share of problems when it comes
| to ARP.

ODI makes your application completely media-independent... :) As long
as your medium looks like Ethernet/802.3/802.5... :(

|An ARCnet MAC address is one byte long, yet ODI provides six byte
| MAC addresses. Which end of that string will the byte appear? Undocumented.

I seem to recall that the answer here is that there isn't a simple answer.
There is certainly an end where the node id appears (check the ODIPKT sources;
I forget which end it is), but there are other cases where all six bytes are
significant.  For example, I think you get into trouble unless you set all
six bytes to ff for a broadcast, at least on some drivers.

| The medium ident appearing in an ARP packet reflects the kind of wiring,
| 6 for Ethernet and presumably 7 for ARCnet. I did make some changes in the
| MAC address extraction procedure in MSK mark II, and maybe something got
| broken.

The poster with the ARCNet problem might want to try running over ODIPKT.
It understands all these details and presents a fake Ethernet driver
interface to the client (kermit in this case).  I did all the original
development with [T]RXNET so it should work with that if anything. :)

| 	I tested earlier MSK's with ARCnet, and honestly I found that
| arrangment to be flakey at best. It's not MSK but rather whatever IP
| routing a NW server does in that case.

Funny, I've found most users of the server's IP routing features to have
no trouble.  It does (did?) enforce some subnetting restrictions a little
too enthusiastically, but I guess one can't blame them for following
the RFCs...

|I found that connections would
| cease operating after a while or be reluctant to progress. 

I wonder if this is related to the Linux ARP problem described earlier?
Like Linux, the NW server does time out ARP entries.  Perhaps something
similar is happeneing?

				Dan Lanciani
				ddl@harvard.*

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In article <2989@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM>, ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) writes:
> In article <1995Sep9.114915.60947@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> 
> [...]
> | 	Ugh(tm). Arcnet with ODI has its share of problems when it comes
> | to ARP.
> 
> ODI makes your application completely media-independent... :) As long
> as your medium looks like Ethernet/802.3/802.5... :(
	Right, sure. I understand ODI rather well, but the picky hardware
dependent things, say the other guy's MAC address, requires special 
handling outside the otherwise CS-clean ODI material. ARP is the dirtiest
of the hardware parts.
 
> |An ARCnet MAC address is one byte long, yet ODI provides six byte
> | MAC addresses. Which end of that string will the byte appear? Undocumented.
> 
> I seem to recall that the answer here is that there isn't a simple answer.
> There is certainly an end where the node id appears (check the ODIPKT sources;
> I forget which end it is), but there are other cases where all six bytes are
> significant.  For example, I think you get into trouble unless you set all
> six bytes to ff for a broadcast, at least on some drivers.
	You are beginning to see what the muddle is.
 
> | The medium ident appearing in an ARP packet reflects the kind of wiring,
> | 6 for Ethernet and presumably 7 for ARCnet. I did make some changes in the
> | MAC address extraction procedure in MSK mark II, and maybe something got
> | broken.
> 
> The poster with the ARCNet problem might want to try running over ODIPKT.
> It understands all these details and presents a fake Ethernet driver
> interface to the client (kermit in this case).  I did all the original
> development with [T]RXNET so it should work with that if anything. :)
	Good suggestion Dan. Tnx.
 
> | 	I tested earlier MSK's with ARCnet, and honestly I found that
> | arrangment to be flakey at best. It's not MSK but rather whatever IP
> | routing a NW server does in that case.
> 
> Funny, I've found most users of the server's IP routing features to have
> no trouble.  It does (did?) enforce some subnetting restrictions a little
> too enthusiastically, but I guess one can't blame them for following
> the RFCs...
	It's not straight IP routing that's the problem; it's the media
conversion involved (all that grubby hardware-specific stuff on the ARCnet
side).
	Thanks for the comments,
	Joe D.

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I use c-kermit to talk with a BBS. Kermit connects with the telnet command to
the modem. How can I configure kermit to receive a file using 'rz'?
Is this possible?

Thanks in advance,

Robert

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From: rickr@compassnet.com (Rick Russell)
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:

> The reality is, we need more people
> than we have now, not less, in order to support even
> the present level of usage.  Because of the "new
> spirit" of the Internet and the proliferation of
> "free software" CDROMS, the demands on our time are
> higher than ever and income is lower than ever.  The
> old model does not work any more.

Maybe I'm just a dumb guy, but couldn't you provide a freeware version
and a commercial version, and  just (politely) refuse support for people
who don't buy the program? Perhaps a card in each commercial package
with a printed checksum that can be checked against a formula?

I mean, geez, I was the point-main for MS-Kermit at a university for a
couple of years, and it never even occurred to me to bother Columbia
with my problems. That's what "free" means -- no pay, no tech support.

And, yes, my university library bought several copies of the MS-Kermit
book.

I really like MS-Kermit though -- even in the world of SLIP/PPP and
Netscape, I still use it. I hope the W95 version enjoys similar success.

Rick R.


Rick Russell // rickr@compassnet.com // IRCnick: Cobalt


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From: wirt@u.washington.edu (Brian Wirt)
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Subject: Speeding up Kermit
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Hello all,

I'm still a novice to the whole Kermit thing and I was wondering if 
someone could help me out.

My problem is that transfer of compressed files from a host to my home PC 
runs only around 600cps (i.e. zip files) on a 14.4 modem.  Uncompressed 
files seem to transfer quite well.  Here are the parameters I'm using:

set file type binary
set receive packet 1024
set window 4
set send packet-length 1024
set block 2

Can anyone spot if I'm missing something?

Thanks for any replies!  E-mail would be preferable.


-- 
Brian Wirt             
wirt@u.washington.edu  
Seattle, Washington    

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In article <43004r$hkp@nntp5.u.washington.edu>,
Brian Wirt <wirt@u.washington.edu> wrote:
: My problem is that transfer of compressed files from a host to my home PC 
: runs only around 600cps (i.e. zip files) on a 14.4 modem.  Uncompressed 
: files seem to transfer quite well.  Here are the parameters I'm using:
: 
: set file type binary
: set receive packet 1024
: set window 4
: set send packet-length 1024
: set block 2
: 
That's a good start.  A few things to note:

 1. The packet length is governed by the file receiver.  Thus, when
    uploading you have to give the "set receive packet-length" command to
    the *other* Kermit program.  The "set send packet-length" command
    doesn't do anything except override (and only downwards, never
    upwards) the *other* Kermit's packet-length request.

 2. "set block 3" is recommended.  It's generally a false economy to use
    less powerful block checks.

Now, why is the transfer still so slow?

 1. Check your flow control.  Use hardware flow control if possible;
    otherwise you are likely to get buffer overruns, and therefore
    retransmissions.

 2. Try a bigger window size.  In general, the bigger the window size,
    the better, provided flow control is effective.

 3. Try a bigger packet length if your connection is relatively noise
    free (and well-flow controlled).

Finally, assuming you are running MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or C-Kermit 5A(189)
or later, read in the update notes (KERMIT.UPD or ckcker.upd) about
control-character "unprefixing", which will add another 25% to your
throughput right away when transferring ZIP files.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <430b3g$gtf@saratoga.compassnet.com>,
Rick Russell <rickr@compassnet.com> wrote:
>Maybe I'm just a dumb guy, but couldn't you provide a freeware version
>and a commercial version, and  just (politely) refuse support for people
>who don't buy the program? Perhaps a card in each commercial package
>with a printed checksum that can be checked against a formula?
>
That does not solve the entire problem.  Tech support is only one of our
burdens.  There is also development, documentation, ftp site management,
business management, and on and on.  In any case, the world has proven
to us that when it has a choice of getting something free or paying
for it, "free" wins every time.

>I really like MS-Kermit though -- even in the world of SLIP/PPP and
>Netscape, I still use it. I hope the W95 version enjoys similar success.
>
Thanks.  I think the price to universities is so close to free that it
makes little difference to each university.  But it makes a lot of
difference to us.  And ultimately to them too -- if so many universities
depend on our software, I think they want us to continue to be here,
developing it and supporting it.  The problem with our stance on MS-DOS
Kermit, C-Kermit for UNIX, VMS, etc ("please buy books") was that it was
impossible for purchasing agents and budgeteers to understand.  The policy
on Kermit 95 could not be simpler, and everyone will benefit from it.

- Frank

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From: shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu (Tim Shoppa)
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In article <431ght$fp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>
>That does not solve the entire problem.  Tech support is only one of our
>burdens.  There is also development, documentation, ftp site management,
>business management, and on and on.  In any case, the world has proven
>to us that when it has a choice of getting something free or paying
>for it, "free" wins every time.

Not necessarily.  I've done some work at some sites that
have an explicit policy: only fully licensed software can be run
on their PC's.  A license for *every* piece of software on each PC
must be in the legal office.  Freeware, shareware, or anything
that isn't purchased isn't allowed.  

There are at least two reasons for this policy:

1.  The lawyers wanted it.  This makes perfect sense, in light of
the lawsuit that Microsoft, etc. would launch against a large company
if it was found running dozens of unlicensed copies of Word, Excel, etc.

2.  System administration likes it.  They only have to support
(or pretend to support) a small number of packages.  And they don't
have their users installing all sorts of widgets and hacks that
wreak havoc with keeping hundreds of PC's running.

But as a result of this policy, I wasn't allowed to use MS-DOS
Kermit at several sites.  And let me tell you - the sorry excuse
for a terminal emulator I had to run made my life miserable.  How the
f**k do these people get away with calling these things terminal
emulators?  I swear the writers of these crummy emulators must've never
seen a real VT100.

So I have one suggestion for Frank, or whoever actually packages up
Windows-95 Kermit: please include a version of MS-DOS kermit which
(by default) gets installed along with the Windows-95 version.  Then
it will at least be possible to buy Windows-95 Kermit as a way of getting
MS-DOS Kermit to sites which have extremely restrictive software
policies.

Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu)

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I recently switched from MS-Kermit 2.32 to 3.14, which resulted in a 
previously unseen problem...

Occasionally, immediately after my modem reports a connect, Ms-Kermit 
will show the message, 

	?warning: unknown hardware for port.  Using Bios as BIOS2. 

A "set port 2" entered from the keyboard puts matters right.  Of course 
there is also a "set port 2" in my mscustom.ini, and in my log-in 
script.

What's going on?  Suggestions for correcting this?	

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Subject: Re: ?warning: unknown hardware for port
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In article <Pine.PMDF.3.91.950911164308.13418A-100000@axe>, Larry Levine <ll1@axe> writes:
> I recently switched from MS-Kermit 2.32 to 3.14, which resulted in a 
> previously unseen problem...
> 
> Occasionally, immediately after my modem reports a connect, Ms-Kermit 
> will show the message, 
> 
> 	?warning: unknown hardware for port.  Using Bios as BIOS2. 
> 
> A "set port 2" entered from the keyboard puts matters right.  Of course 
> there is also a "set port 2" in my mscustom.ini, and in my log-in 
> script.
> 
> What's going on?  Suggestions for correcting this?	
-----------
	I dunno. The most suspicious culprit is a hardware conflict over
the port. Do you have anything else attacking that port? A mouse driver,
a MODE blah,P, hardware stepping on the IRQ wire or i/o port numbers?
There is quite a bit of discussion of serial ports in the distribution
docs so I suggest reading the material and see if any points apply to
your machine.
	Joe D.

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ok, first off what OS... Linux

Okay, I have a telnet program that allows me to redirect the i/o for the
session to sz rz or whatever I want...

Is it possible for kermit to recieve redirected i/o like sz and rz WITHOUT
modifing C-Kermit?!


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From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson)
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Linux from the Dec 1994 InfoMagic 4 CD-ROM set.  I've finally got my 
modem working but I now get a permission error when I start kermit.  
Seyon doesn't complain at all.
   I'm sure it's a head slapper but I can't figure out what the heck is 
going on.

Here is the grab from my xterm:

gryphon:~$ kermit
/var/lock: Permission denied
Sorry, access to lock denied: /dev/modem
?Sorry, you must SET LINE first
C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, POSIX
Type ? or HELP for help
Linux Kermit>

and here is the listing for kermit:

   -rwxr-xr-x   1 root     root       373764 Jul 21  1994 /usr/bin/kermit

and the /var/lock directory

   drwxr-xr-x   4 root     root         1024 Sep 10 19:43 lock

and subdir

   drwxrwxrwt   2 root     root         1024 Sep 11 12:20 emacs


Yeah I know I should get the latest version but I'd like to see this one 
working first.

Thanks for any help,
   Rod


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Rod Anderson (andersr@comtch.iea.com) wrote:
: gryphon:~$ kermit
: /var/lock: Permission denied
[..]
: and the /var/lock directory
:    drwxr-xr-x   4 root     root         1024 Sep 10 19:43 lock

If you want start kermit not as root you have to set the permissions
chmod a+w /var/lock 
because kermit wants to create an lockfile in this dir.
 
	Juergen

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In article <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net>, root <root> wrote:

>ok, first off what OS... Linux
>
>Okay, I have a telnet program that allows me to redirect the i/o for the
>session to sz rz or whatever I want...
>
>Is it possible for kermit to recieve redirected i/o like sz and rz WITHOUT
>modifing C-Kermit?!

    C-Kermit will read from the standard input (instead of a file), if
    that's what you mean.  'kermit -s -' at your prompt or, if you want
    a file name sent with it, 'kermit -s - -a filename'.

                                        Jeff

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In article <2979@sun3.ipswitch.com>, Dan Lanciani <ddl@harvard.edu> wrote:

[stuff deleted about how a MSK machine would lose control of the
 terminal output after about 10 minutes and the ARP cache on a Linux
(1.2.8) machine would lose the hardware address of the MSK machine.  ]

>You'd need a network trace to be sure, but this suggests that kermit
>isn't responding to ARPs in its current state.

I have traceroute and netstat (and maybe some others) on the Linux box.
It was mentioned that this could be helpful, but I do not know what I should
do or what I should look for.

>There are at least two additional experiments that might shed light on
>the situation.
>First, while in the bad state, try to ping it from another machine that
>has never been involved with the connection at all.  This should tell
>you whether kermit is willing to respond to anybody's ARP at this point.

I did try this, and the MSK machine responded to the ping, so there was no
need to try the second test.  

I also tried to ping from the Linux box, but there was no response.
However, if I handloaded the Hardware address of the ethernet
card on the MSK machine, then I could get a ping response.

However, this handloading technique does not always result in control being
returned to the MSK machine, as I once reported.

Meanwhile, some more information.  After the MSK machine would not
respond (this again means, no output on the screen.  It is still possible
to shell out to DOS, issue commands to the Linux box (as confirmed with a
'w' command from the console) etc., etc.), I tried to telnet to the same 
Linux machine as well as other machines.  I got the error message:  
Unable to ARP resolve gateway

This was when I tried to ping from the Linux machine (with no response).

I tried another experiment.  I logged in from the MSK machine, then immediately
deleted the entry from the Linux ARP cache.  The output stopped, as other
times.  It was still possible to telnet to other machines, but now it was 
impossible to telnet to the Linux machine, no error message or anything, just 
a return to the Kermit prompt.

Finally, I hand-entered the hw address for the MSK machine, and now I have 
tried two or three times to let the MSK machine sit for for 30-60 minutes,
and I have not been able to reproduce the problem.  It sounds like I 
should just try to load the addresses for these cards, maybe even as a
cron job...but I would still like to try to understand what is going wrong.
  
I noticed in a recent message that there was an updated version of Kermit.
I use a version from 18 Jan 95.  Could this also be a possible source of the
problem?

So I put a copy of 21 May 1995 onto the MSK machine.  Tried to connect to 
the Linux box and got:  Unable to ARP resolve xxx.yyy.xxx.zzz
However, I was able to telnet to other machines.

Aaarrgh!  I am really interested in solving this problem because we 
would like to use 8-bit characters, and other telnet programs do not 
behave as well as Kermit about this.

Also, when these "freeze-ups" do happen, it does not seem proper that
MS-Kermit should lockup on "exit" or "hangup" requiring a power-down
to restart the machine.   I just wanted to re-emphasize that point.

Thanks for your patience with this jumbled and unclear information.

Cheers,
  Seth Chaiklin


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I have just installed C-Kermit on our IBM/RS6000 and MS-DOS kermit on
a PC.  What I want to do is transfer files, by modem, to the RISC machine.
I have found that the file xfer is very slow.  Is there any way I can
speed it up?  I've tried adjusting the packet-length with no success.

Also, has anyone seen any help files for writing scripts for kermit?

Thanks!
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net>, root  <root> wrote:
: ok, first off what OS... Linux
: 
: Okay, I have a telnet program that allows me to redirect the i/o for the
: session to sz rz or whatever I want...
: 
: Is it possible for kermit to recieve redirected i/o like sz and rz WITHOUT
: modifing C-Kermit?!
: 
Yes.  The command is REDIRECT.  It is available in version 5A(190).
See section 8.1 of the ckcker.upd file for details.

- Frank

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In article <4322gb$sr8@horus.infinet.com>,
Jaime Fuhr <jaimef@infinet.com> wrote:
>I have just installed C-Kermit on our IBM/RS6000 and MS-DOS kermit on
>a PC.  What I want to do is transfer files, by modem, to the RISC machine.
>I have found that the file xfer is very slow.  Is there any way I can
>speed it up?
>
Yes.  Please refer to the manual, info below, or the FAQ at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

>Also, has anyone seen any help files for writing scripts for kermit?
>
The information is in the manual:

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025-7721
    USA
    Telephone: +1 212 854-3703
    Fax:       +2 212 663-8202

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada,
  and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or
  Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add US $35 bank fee for checks
  not drawn on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales
  tax.  Inquire about quantity discounts.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada,
		       Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time)
    +1 617 928 2613   (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info)
    +44 1933 414000   (Rushden, England distribution centre for
		       UK & Europe)
    +44 1865 310366   (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept)
    +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ)
    +65 356-1968      (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore,
		       Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand)
    +27 031-294247    (Durban office for South Africa)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und
    Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).
    ISBN 3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price: DM 88,00.  
    Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.
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- Frank

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In article <432tmn$eua@krel.iea.com>,
Rod Anderson <andersr@comtch.iea.com> wrote:
>Linux from the Dec 1994 InfoMagic 4 CD-ROM set.  I've finally got my 
>modem working but I now get a permission error when I start kermit.  
>Seyon doesn't complain at all.
>
It's always nice to hear when somebody buys our copyrighted 
software from a third party who has never bothered to ask our permission
to sell it.

I suggest that you obtain technical support from the company that sold
it to you.  They have your money.

- Frank

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I get a similar error on a Thinkpad 350 under ms-windows after using
the 'suspend' feature and resuming.  thereafter windows is messed up 
as far as that port is concerned. 

wayne

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection?
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In article <433mrn$49i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes:
> In article <2979@sun3.ipswitch.com>, Dan Lanciani <ddl@harvard.edu> wrote:
> 
> [stuff deleted about how a MSK machine would lose control of the
>  terminal output after about 10 minutes and the ARP cache on a Linux
> (1.2.8) machine would lose the hardware address of the MSK machine.  ]
> 
>>You'd need a network trace to be sure, but this suggests that kermit
>>isn't responding to ARPs in its current state.
> 
> I have traceroute and netstat (and maybe some others) on the Linux box.
> It was mentioned that this could be helpful, but I do not know what I should
> do or what I should look for.
> 
>>There are at least two additional experiments that might shed light on
>>the situation.
>>First, while in the bad state, try to ping it from another machine that
>>has never been involved with the connection at all.  This should tell
>>you whether kermit is willing to respond to anybody's ARP at this point.
> 
> I did try this, and the MSK machine responded to the ping, so there was no
> need to try the second test.  
> 
> I also tried to ping from the Linux box, but there was no response.
> However, if I handloaded the Hardware address of the ethernet
> card on the MSK machine, then I could get a ping response.
> 
> However, this handloading technique does not always result in control being
> returned to the MSK machine, as I once reported.
> 
> Meanwhile, some more information.  After the MSK machine would not
> respond (this again means, no output on the screen.  It is still possible
> to shell out to DOS, issue commands to the Linux box (as confirmed with a
> 'w' command from the console) etc., etc.), I tried to telnet to the same 
> Linux machine as well as other machines.  I got the error message:  
> Unable to ARP resolve gateway
> 
> This was when I tried to ping from the Linux machine (with no response).

	This rather clearly indicates that the Linux TCP/IP stack has real
problems with its ARP cache and destination MAC address handling.
 
> I tried another experiment.  I logged in from the MSK machine, then immediately
> deleted the entry from the Linux ARP cache.  The output stopped, as other
> times.  It was still possible to telnet to other machines, but now it was 
> impossible to telnet to the Linux machine, no error message or anything, just 
> a return to the Kermit prompt.

	Ditto.
 
> Finally, I hand-entered the hw address for the MSK machine, and now I have 
> tried two or three times to let the MSK machine sit for for 30-60 minutes,
> and I have not been able to reproduce the problem.  It sounds like I 
> should just try to load the addresses for these cards, maybe even as a
> cron job...but I would still like to try to understand what is going wrong.
>   
> I noticed in a recent message that there was an updated version of Kermit.
> I use a version from 18 Jan 95.  Could this also be a possible source of the
> problem?

	Not that I can deduce.
 
> So I put a copy of 21 May 1995 onto the MSK machine.  Tried to connect to 
> the Linux box and got:  Unable to ARP resolve xxx.yyy.xxx.zzz
> However, I was able to telnet to other machines.
> 
> Aaarrgh!  I am really interested in solving this problem because we 
> would like to use 8-bit characters, and other telnet programs do not 
> behave as well as Kermit about this.

	How about talking to the Linux News groups for hints. You are not
the only person to report such problems.
 
> Also, when these "freeze-ups" do happen, it does not seem proper that
> MS-Kermit should lockup on "exit" or "hangup" requiring a power-down
> to restart the machine.   I just wanted to re-emphasize that point.

	If MSK sends a TCP segment which requires an acknowledgment from
the other end then it must wait and wait for it, and finally give up after
a long interval. The process of tearing down a connection does the same
(tries a proper FIN close, then if necessary sends an RST and bails out,
but the FIN close has time delays. Unack'd data requires waiting, and
FIN, and waiting...).
	Joe D.

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From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection?
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In article <433mrn$49i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes:
| 
| In article <2979@sun3.ipswitch.com>, Dan Lanciani <ddl@harvard.edu> wrote:
| 
| [stuff deleted about how a MSK machine would lose control of the
|  terminal output after about 10 minutes and the ARP cache on a Linux
| (1.2.8) machine would lose the hardware address of the MSK machine.  ]
| 
| >You'd need a network trace to be sure, but this suggests that kermit
| >isn't responding to ARPs in its current state.
| 
| I have traceroute and netstat (and maybe some others) on the Linux box.
| It was mentioned that this could be helpful, but I do not know what I should
| do or what I should look for.
| 
| >There are at least two additional experiments that might shed light on
| >the situation.
| >First, while in the bad state, try to ping it from another machine that
| >has never been involved with the connection at all.  This should tell
| >you whether kermit is willing to respond to anybody's ARP at this point.
| 
| I did try this, and the MSK machine responded to the ping, so there was no
| need to try the second test.  

I forgot to ask whether this is another Linux box or something else.  If
something else, then it would still be good to try the ping-from-clean-
Linux-system test to see if such ARPs *ever* work.

| I also tried to ping from the Linux box, but there was no response.
| However, if I handloaded the Hardware address of the ethernet
| card on the MSK machine, then I could get a ping response.

In the absence of a trace (which would probably make everything completely
clear at this point), I can suggest one more drastic test.  Rather than adding
the ARP entry at this point, reboot the Linux machine.  This would (I hope)
determine whether something stateful on the Linux box prevented the ARP from
working.

| This was when I tried to ping from the Linux machine (with no response).
| 
|I tried another experiment.  I logged in from the MSK machine, then immediately
| deleted the entry from the Linux ARP cache.  The output stopped, as other
| times.

Well, that's nice in a sense.  At least you can reproduce the problem on
demand without waiting for it to show up.

|It was still possible to telnet to other machines, but now it was 
| impossible to telnet to the Linux machine, no error message or anything, just 
| a return to the Kermit prompt.

Does it return immediately or take a while to time out?

| Finally, I hand-entered the hw address for the MSK machine, and now I have 
| tried two or three times to let the MSK machine sit for for 30-60 minutes,
| and I have not been able to reproduce the problem.  It sounds like I 
| should just try to load the addresses for these cards, maybe even as a
| cron job...but I would still like to try to understand what is going wrong.

I believe that a hand-entered address is not timed out (if Linux ARP is
typical).  That would explain why it didn't fail thereafter.

If you can point me at the version of kermit in question I can do some
tests myself...

				Dan Lanciani
				ddl@harvard.*

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From: Rick Owens <rowens@cyberport.net>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition
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jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:

[text omitted]

>	Ugh(tm). Arcnet with ODI has its share of problems when it comes
>to ARP. An ARCnet MAC address is one byte long, yet ODI provides six byte
>MAC addresses. Which end of that string will the byte appear? Undocumented.
>The medium ident appearing in an ARP packet reflects the kind of wiring,
>6 for Ethernet and presumably 7 for ARCnet. I did make some changes in the
>MAC address extraction procedure in MSK mark II, and maybe something got
>broken.

FWLIW, Novell's user list shows it on the right (least significant byte).

>	I tested earlier MSK's with ARCnet, and honestly I found that
>arrangment to be flakey at best. It's not MSK but rather whatever IP
>routing a NW server does in that case. I found that connections would
>cease operating after a while or be reluctant to progress. 

Well, we've been lucky; MSK 3.13 and early 3.14 have both been working for
us, and should (hopefully) see us through 'till we can junk the ARCnet
wiring and NICs.  (I will be _so_ glad when we can afford to switch all
that--stuff--to Ethernet.  ARCnet is a royal pain in more ways than one.)

>	I'll see if I can resolve the situation. It's a little awkward because
>I have to take apart machines and move them to construct an ARCnet environment
>and then route IP to Ethernet. This may take several days because I'm eyeballs
>deep in swamp creatures already and students are about to descend upon my
>place en masse.
>	Joe D.

Thanks!  If there's anything I can do to give you more info, please ask.
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From: Rick Owens <rowens@cyberport.net>
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition
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ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) wrote:


[text omitted]

>The poster with the ARCNet problem might want to try running over ODIPKT.
>It understands all these details and presents a fake Ethernet driver
>interface to the client (kermit in this case).  I did all the original
>development with [T]RXNET so it should work with that if anything. :)

So far, the early MSK 3.14 has done the trick.  Thanks for the suggestion
though.  (And with a bit of luck, we'll make it through long enough to
remove the last vestiges of ARCnet from our campus... on which day we'll
probably have an ARC-NIC toss.... :) )

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From: suttip@mozart.inet.co.th (Suttinun Pa-khanghung)
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Where can I find and get Ms-kermit for PC source code
suttip

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: kermit through telnet
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In article <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net>, root  <root> wrote:
>ok, first off what OS... Linux
>
>Okay, I have a telnet program that allows me to redirect the i/o for the
>session to sz rz or whatever I want...
>
>Is it possible for kermit to recieve redirected i/o like sz and rz WITHOUT
>modifing C-Kermit?!

I think so, but why bother since kermit is perfectly capable of making
the telnet connection itself and you can run it with a script if
you like?

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: mrichich@forest.drew.edu (Mike Richichi, Systems Manager)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Netware/IP and packet driver Kermit coexistence
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Okay, here's the issue.  We have a LAN running Netware 4.1.  We are 
currently using ODIPKT and MS-Kermit 3.13 to telnet to on-campus machines 
in DOS.  We want to switch these machines over to Netware/IP 2.1, thus 
getting a Winsock to run Netscape, and then still be able to run MS-Kermit 
3.13 (ideally in Windows) and still have it access tcp/ip through a packet 
driver.


Now, the first thing to try is just run ODIPKT.  No go--when Novell's 
TCPIP.EXE loads, it prevents ODIPKT from working, even in DOS.  That's to 
be expected, though.

Well, after some careful thought, lots of fun, and a few hundred machine 
reboots, I've come up with the following solution:

1)  Run the packet driver for the network card (in this case, 3Com 3c509.)
2)  Run PKTMUX and then 2 PKTDRVs.
3)  Use PDETHER on one of the packet driver interrupts, and then load 
Novell's LSL, TCPIP, NWIP, and VLM (thus getting complete Netware 
connectivity to file servers and such.)
4)  Kermit then takes the other packet-driver interrupt for it's tcp/ip 
connections.
5)  Yes, this even works in Windows.  I'm doing it right now, I've got my 
Kermit window covering my Netscape window, and both work simultaneously. 
There are delays in one app when the other is transmitting data, but 
again, that's to be expected.


The big question is:  Am I flirting with disaster?  Is PDETHER not as good 
of a Netware solution as the native ODI driver for the card?  Are there 
any other unforseen problems that I should know about?  I'm going to hit 
it hard for a while to see if it crashes and burns.

--Mike


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Netware/IP and packet driver Kermit coexistence
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In article <1995Sep13.140223.124158@forest>, mrichich@forest.drew.edu (Mike Richichi, Systems Manager) writes:
> Okay, here's the issue.  We have a LAN running Netware 4.1.  We are 
> currently using ODIPKT and MS-Kermit 3.13 to telnet to on-campus machines 
> in DOS.  We want to switch these machines over to Netware/IP 2.1, thus 
> getting a Winsock to run Netscape, and then still be able to run MS-Kermit 
> 3.13 (ideally in Windows) and still have it access tcp/ip through a packet 
> driver.
> 
> Now, the first thing to try is just run ODIPKT.  No go--when Novell's 
> TCPIP.EXE loads, it prevents ODIPKT from working, even in DOS.  That's to 
> be expected, though.
> 
> Well, after some careful thought, lots of fun, and a few hundred machine 
> reboots, I've come up with the following solution:
> 
> 1)  Run the packet driver for the network card (in this case, 3Com 3c509.)
> 2)  Run PKTMUX and then 2 PKTDRVs.
> 3)  Use PDETHER on one of the packet driver interrupts, and then load 
> Novell's LSL, TCPIP, NWIP, and VLM (thus getting complete Netware 
> connectivity to file servers and such.)
> 4)  Kermit then takes the other packet-driver interrupt for it's tcp/ip 
> connections.
> 5)  Yes, this even works in Windows.  I'm doing it right now, I've got my 
> Kermit window covering my Netscape window, and both work simultaneously. 
> There are delays in one app when the other is transmitting data, but 
> again, that's to be expected.
> 
> 
> The big question is:  Am I flirting with disaster?  Is PDETHER not as good 
			Yes.				Not as good.

> of a Netware solution as the native ODI driver for the card?  Are there 
> any other unforseen problems that I should know about?  I'm going to hit 
> it hard for a while to see if it crashes and burns.

	If your site has a licensed copy of Lan WorkPlace/DOS from Novell
then component TELAPI placed on top of Novell's TCP/IP stack forms an
interface that Kermit can use, even in Windows. This is an "approved"
method to run the two products together; we think so and so does Novell.
	We basically say all risks become yours when pktmux is involved.
	Joe D.


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From: Graham Jenkins <grahamj@gkja.melbpc.org.au>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 - Problem with Wyse-50 Emulation
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One of our Applications suppliers is using sequences as shown in
the example below for marking screen-areas to stand out.
Unfortunately, the "revert-to-normal" bit doesn't work quite the
same under KERMITE (mid-95 3.14 release) with a Wyse50 emulation
as it does on a real Wyse50.  Is there perhaps a patch for this?

---
#!/bin/sh
# wy50test.sh	Tests screen feature escape codes for Wyse-50 with
#		MSKermit-3.14 (mid-'95 release, kermite).

# Sledgehammer reset
echo "\0033(\0033\`A\0033A00-NORMAL\c"
sleep 3

# Standout (Reverse character protect, write protect)
echo "\0033\`6\0033)-STANDOUT\c"
sleep 3

# Normal
echo "\0033(-NORMAL\c"
sleep 3

# Sledgehammer reset
echo "\0033(\0033\`A\0033A00-END"
exit 0
---



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From: air1ggp@airvax.air.ups.com (George Gary Perkins)
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Subject: MS-Kermit <-> C-Kermit file translate
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     I am attempting to use a PC --> C-Kermit --> PC upload/download to
translate a file with code page 437 characters to one with a Macintosh
character set. Two different C-Kermit(189) installations to which I have access
include macintosh-latin as a file character set [set file char ?], but when I
"set file char mac", "sho file" reports the character set as dg-international.
One machine is running DEC-VMS; the other DEC-OSF/1-Unix. The idea is to
translate the file on the upload to mac-speak, then download it with a
transparent transfer mode.
    The C-Kermit manual indicates that the dg-intl character set is quite
different from the macintosh set. Can anyone explain or provide a solution? 

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit <-> C-Kermit file translate
Date: 14 Sep 1995 22:04:52 GMT
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In article <1995Sep13.210403@airvax.air.ups.com>,
George Gary Perkins <air1ggp@airvax.air.ups.com> wrote:
: I am attempting to use a PC --> C-Kermit --> PC upload/download to
: translate a file with code page 437 characters to one with a
: Macintosh character set. Two different C-Kermit(189) installations
: to which I have access include macintosh-latin as a file character
: set [set file char ?], but when I "set file char mac", "sho file"
: reports the character set as dg-international.
:
Try the current version of C-Kermit, which is 5A(190).  It works
fine there.

You can even upload the file without translation and then tell
C-Kermit to "translate <filename> cp437 mac".

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 - Problem with Wyse-50 Emulation
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In article <811093642@gkja>, Graham Jenkins <grahamj@gkja.melbpc.org.au> writes:
> One of our Applications suppliers is using sequences as shown in
> the example below for marking screen-areas to stand out.
> Unfortunately, the "revert-to-normal" bit doesn't work quite the
> same under KERMITE (mid-95 3.14 release) with a Wyse50 emulation
> as it does on a real Wyse50.  Is there perhaps a patch for this?
> 
> ---
> #!/bin/sh
> # wy50test.sh	Tests screen feature escape codes for Wyse-50 with
> #		MSKermit-3.14 (mid-'95 release, kermite).
> 
> # Sledgehammer reset
> echo "\0033(\0033\`A\0033A00-NORMAL\c"
> sleep 3
> 
> # Standout (Reverse character protect, write protect)
> echo "\0033\`6\0033)-STANDOUT\c"
> sleep 3
> 
> # Normal
> echo "\0033(-NORMAL\c"
> sleep 3
> 
> # Sledgehammer reset
> echo "\0033(\0033\`A\0033A00-END"
> exit 0
-----------
	Yes, this is a genuine bug, sigh. It turns out that fixing it is
something of a chore deep in the code because of the way sundry video
attributes are munged (changed) by the ESC ` <write protected display
attribute code> sequence. I'll have this fixed in the next release, as
they say, because it is turning out to be too complicated to generate
as a Patch file item. I have a real Wyse-50 to help decode the affair.
	Thanks,
	Joe D.

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From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax)
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Subject: VOS Kermit (batched) and the INPUT command
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I have a script which works quite well when run interactively with 
Kermit 190(5A) on VOS 11.7.2.  But when it is run as a batched or start-
process, it hangs.  Using the -d option, it appears that it hangs on the first 
INPUT command it encounters -- which makes sense if it is trying to read from 
a nonexistent keyboard to see if the INJPUT has been interrupted.  Am
I doing anything wrong?

marshall
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Through the PROCOM (a PC communication software) document I learn that
Kermit uses 24 bit CRC for error detection/correction. Does anyone know 
what is the generating polynomial for this CRC-24? Any reference to 
a list of 24th order CRC generating polynomials will be much appreciated. 

 msscom.asm in MS-DOS Kermit:

; The CRC is based on the SDLC polynomial: x**16 + x**12 + x**5 + 1.
This is also known as CCITT-16.
	Joe D.

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From: ylee@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee)
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Subject: Problems with MS-Kermit 3.14 and (c)slipper.exe?
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I use Kermit 3.14 (24 May 1995 release, patchlevel 9) and slip8250.com
(10 Feb 1992, the one that comes with the Kermit .ZIP distribution)
quite successfully on my 386sx/16 to dial up to Columbia and run
multiple terminal sessions with SLIP.  However, running Kermit with
either slipper.exe or cslipper.exe (15 Jan 1994, part of slippr15.zip
file available everywhere--their documentation describe them as
drop-in replacements for slip8250.com) is not so successful--about
half my keystrokes get "bunched up" for several seconds at a time,
then get all spit out to the host at once.  Output to me seems
unaffected.

The funny thing is the trouble didn't exist with the 18 January Kermit
release; I used cslipper.exe and Kermit on an old 8-MHz Tandy clone
quite successfully.  Upgrading to 24 May caused similar symptons on
that machine (verified by returning to the older kermit.exe
executable).  Now same things happen on this 386sx/16.  Any ideas?

Here are the parameters I use to load slip8250.com:

c:\kermit\networks\slip8250 0x60 -h slip 3 0x2f8 38400

And slipper.exe and cslipper.exe:

c:\kermit\networks\slipper.exe com2 baud=38400 keepalive

I have tried loading slipper.exe and cslipper.exe in regular memory,
in upper memory, and with and without the keepalive switch, all with
no effect.

(Crossposted to comp.protocols.kermit.misc and comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc)
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From: chaiklin@columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin)
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Subject: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem
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This message is a continuation of my inquest into why I have
had problems with MSK 3.14 and Linux connections.

I have made some progress, I believe in delimiting the problem,
so I will start a fresh thread.

I posted a question about these problems to the Linux newgroups and 
after several days, I got the following reply which I send further 
without permission (because it was publically posted).  The main 
gist of the message is that it is believed that Linux ARP is OK.

Here it is:
------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc
From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: ARP cache problem in 1.2.*??
Organization: Institute For Industrial Information Technology
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:29:07 GMT

In article <433jha$k6m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes:
>I have also tried MS-Kermit Version 3.14, 24 May 1995, and that will
>simply not connect to the Linux box, complaining about Arp resolution
>problems.  I have communicated with the Kermit people aboout the
>problem and I am still trying to figure out what is going on, but
>one candidate is that the Linux ARP cache is not well-behaved yet.

Linux ARP is believed to work, and its a 'seen by nobody else' problem.
That given the userbase normally means its a user setup problem. The one
person here who persists in using kermit under DOS, his own custom mail
collect read/write scripts and other strange things hasn't moaned at me,
nor have other kermit + Linux users I know.

>I have tried to look in the kernel changes and could see that some
>work was done on Arp.  Can someone comment on whether it is likely
>that the problems with Kermit could be located in the Linux ARP cache?

The only ARP changes made recently have been in the 1.1.x kernels to clean
up code and add netmasks to proxy arp (for transparent routing) and some
recent 1.3.x fixes whereby ATF_PERM entries would previously be updated
by an ARP reply for that address.

---------------------------------------------

Meanwhile, this mention of apparent success by another person made
me wonder what will happen if I used another version of MSK.  So I
make the following experiment.

1.  Run MSK 3.14 on a 486 machine with ODIPKT and 3C509 card.
    (and no energy saving features)
    As usual, after 10 - 15 minutes, the ARP entry disappears,
    the screen output disappears, though it is still possible
    to enter commands.

2.  Powerdown machine.

3.  Run MSK 3.13pl5 on the same machine.

     a.  After 10 minutes, the entire IP number (as opposed to HW address)
         disappears from ARP table.

     b.   Press CR on MSK.  It works.

     c.   Let sit 45 minutes.  

     d.   Press CR.  It still works.

     e.   Logout, manually delete IP number from ARP cache with arp -d

     f.   Powerdown MSK machine.  Login again with MSK 3.13

     g.   Wait 45 minutes.  At this point the HW address has disappeared
          from the ARP cache (i.e., 00:00:00:00:00:00), even though the
          IP number is still there.  It still works!

     h.   Delete IP number (arp -d) while MSK 3.13 is connected.  It still
          works.

     i.   Login with MSK 3.14 (18 Jan 95) edition.

     j.   Delete IP number from ARP cache (arp -d).  It freezes!
 
     k.  If I add and delete the IP number by hand a few times, I can 
         "jumpstart" the MSK 3.14 machine back to monitor output.


I am willing to suggest that there is some change between MSK 3.13 and
MSK 3.14 (18 Jan 95) that is critical to this problem.  And there is
yet another change from MSK 3.14 (18 Jan 95) to MSK 3.14 (24 May 95) that
creates a new problem.

Well, I don't know much more now about why these problems occur than
I knew yesterday, but I am starting to get a better sense of how to
create them.

Cheers,
  Seth Chaiklin

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From: wsm0@Lehigh.EDU (Wayne S. Mery)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
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On 12 Sep 1995 07:29:03 -0400  Wayne S. Mery (wsm0@Lehigh.EDU) wrote:
> I get a similar error on a Thinkpad 350 under ms-windows after using
> the 'suspend' feature and resuming.  thereafter windows is messed up

My reporting was in error.  I get the problem after running kermit, shutting
it down, switching to another window (in my case WordPerfect) and then
trying kermit again.  I can't swear that there is nothing wrong with the
ms-windows setup, I'm not an expert there.

W.


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Problems with MS-Kermit 3.14 and (c)slipper.exe?
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In article <43btto$g66@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, ylee@manila.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) writes:
> I use Kermit 3.14 (24 May 1995 release, patchlevel 9) and slip8250.com
> (10 Feb 1992, the one that comes with the Kermit .ZIP distribution)
> quite successfully on my 386sx/16 to dial up to Columbia and run
> multiple terminal sessions with SLIP.  However, running Kermit with
> either slipper.exe or cslipper.exe (15 Jan 1994, part of slippr15.zip
> file available everywhere--their documentation describe them as
> drop-in replacements for slip8250.com) is not so successful--about
> half my keystrokes get "bunched up" for several seconds at a time,
> then get all spit out to the host at once.  Output to me seems
> unaffected.

	This looks rather like lost packets, going in either direction.
The 24 May edition of MSK has slight changes in the transmit section 
where Nagle's algorithm is involved (suspend further transmission until
an outstanding one has been ACK'd, that kind of thing).
 
> The funny thing is the trouble didn't exist with the 18 January Kermit
> release; I used cslipper.exe and Kermit on an old 8-MHz Tandy clone
> quite successfully.  Upgrading to 24 May caused similar symptons on
> that machine (verified by returning to the older kermit.exe
> executable).  Now same things happen on this 386sx/16.  Any ideas?

	The older MSK was more aggressive about sending, the newer one
is closer to industry standard practice on the Nagle matter. Differences
will arise when outgoing data or their ACKs are lost. The newer one is
preferable overall.

> Here are the parameters I use to load slip8250.com:
> 
> c:\kermit\networks\slip8250 0x60 -h slip 3 0x2f8 38400
> 
> And slipper.exe and cslipper.exe:
> 
> c:\kermit\networks\slipper.exe com2 baud=38400 keepalive
> 
> I have tried loading slipper.exe and cslipper.exe in regular memory,
> in upper memory, and with and without the keepalive switch, all with
> no effect.

	I have to guess that maybe flow control to the modems is not all
that it ought to be, or the modem is buffering material and sitting on it.
Doing VJ header compression yields shorter packets and hence the modem
buffer fills more slowly.
	Using slipper.exe here on a straight copper wire across the hall
way has performed ok.
	There is one more remote possibility, and that is maybe (c)slipper
tries to be cute and use TX empty interrupts from the UART to trigger more
sending. That can easily lead to loss of received-char-available interrupts
and hence lost incoming packets. That's the reason I rewrote slip8250 some
time ago. 
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Key map for VMS PF keys
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In article <43cu1s$4tl@hydra.cc.umb.edu>, 5067RZHAN@gemini.cc.umb.edu (Zhang,ray Y.) writes:
> Can someone tell me what's the keyboard mapping for VMS PF keys, you
> know Gold key, etc.
------------
	They aren't operating system keys but rather than are VTxxx terminal
keys. They are discussed fully in the user's manual for your Kermit and in 
the release supplementary documentation.
	Joe D. 

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From: hoh@lorelei.approve.se (Goran Larsson)
Subject: Problems with c-kermit-5A.190
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As someone who handles my communication needs over modems using UUCP,
I very seldom uses kermit. I have had c-kermit-5A-188 installed for
dialup users and to get new firmware from USRobotics BBS (WILDCAT!)
in France. C-kermit-5A-188 is old and as many people has recommended
(in this group) that everyone upgrade to c-kermit-5A-190 I did so a
while ago. The last night I tried to get the latest USRobotics firmware
but the received file was corrupt and I had to fall back to c-kermit-5A-188.

$ ls -l SDL*
-rw-r--r--  1 hoh        253974 Sep 16 01:42 SDLPALLA.EXE-188
-rw-r--r--  1 hoh        381140 Sep 16 00:56 SDLPALLA.EXE-190
$ hd SDLPALLA.EXE-188 | head -5
00000000    4d5a6400 04000000 02000010 fffff0ff    MZd.............
00000010    00010000 0001f0ff 1c000000 00000000    ................
00000020    eb792000 4c484127 73205346 5820322e    .y .LHA's SFX 2.
00000030    31335320 28632920 596f7368 692c2031    13S (c) Yoshi, 1
00000040    3939310d 0a005265 6e616d65 20746f20    991...Rename to
$ hd SDLPALLA.EXE-190 | head -5
00000000    4d5a6400 04000000 02000010 597f597f    MZd.........Y.Y.
00000010    5970597f 00010000 00015970 597f1c00    YpY.......YpY...
00000020    00000000 0000596b 7920004c 48412773    ......Yky .LHA's
00000030    20534658 20322e31 33532028 63292019     SFX 2.13S (c) .
00000040    6f736869 2c203139 39310d0a 0052656e    oshi, 1991...Ren
$ 

Note that the SDLPALLA.EXE-190 file contains some spurious Y characters.
About one third of the characters in SDLPALLA.EXE-190 are Y! This looks
to me as a quoting problem. Is this some incompatibility between the
"kermit" in WILDCAT! and c-kermit-5A-190, or a problem in c-kermit-5A-190?

-- 
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem
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In article <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes:
> This message is a continuation of my inquest into why I have
> had problems with MSK 3.14 and Linux connections.
> 
> I have made some progress, I believe in delimiting the problem,
> so I will start a fresh thread.
	<snipping off the details>
	I think the logic is still muddled here. A simple suggestion is
try a connection between MSK and a non-Linux machine, and observe the
behavior. It's a substitution test.
	Joe D.

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In article <1995Sep16.081720.22831@lorelei.approve.se>,
Goran Larsson <hoh@lorelei.approve.se> wrote:
>As someone who handles my communication needs over modems using UUCP,
>I very seldom uses kermit. I have had c-kermit-5A-188 installed for
>dialup users and to get new firmware from USRobotics BBS (WILDCAT!)
>in France. C-kermit-5A-188 is old and as many people has recommended
>(in this group) that everyone upgrade to c-kermit-5A-190 I did so a
>while ago. The last night I tried to get the latest USRobotics firmware
>but the received file was corrupt and I had to fall back to c-kermit-5A-188.
> ...
>Note that the SDLPALLA.EXE-190 file contains some spurious Y characters.
>About one third of the characters in SDLPALLA.EXE-190 are Y! This looks
>to me as a quoting problem. Is this some incompatibility between the
>"kermit" in WILDCAT! and c-kermit-5A-190, or a problem in c-kermit-5A-190?
>
The problem is with the Wildcat BBS, in its execution of the Kermit protocol
negotiation phase.  Here are the solutions to the problem in descending
order of desirability:

 1. Mustang Software should license a top-notch and correctly-functioning
    implementation of Kermit protocol from Columbia University.  Since you
    are their customer, you might suggest this to them.

 2. The proprietors of any Wildcat BBS's can install MS-DOS Kermit Lite
    on their own BBS's, bypassing the Wildcat Kermit implementation.
    See Kermit News #6 for details:

      http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html

 3. Work around the Wildcat bug by telling C-Kermit (or MS-DOS Kermit or
    any other Kermit program you might be using) to "set parity space"
    prior to transferring any files.  Of course, with your parity set to
    space (or anything other than none) you can't see those attractive BBS
    screens during terminal emulation, you should "set parity space" just
    before transfer and "set parity none" right after transfer, before
    going back to the BBS screen.

- Frank

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Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> says:
|	There is one more remote possibility, and that is maybe (c)slipper
|tries to be cute and use TX empty interrupts from the UART to trigger more
|sending. That can easily lead to loss of received-char-available interrupts
|and hence lost incoming packets. That's the reason I rewrote slip8250 some
|time ago. 

Interesting--thanks for your possible diagnoses.

Is the slip8250 you rewrote the one that's dated 10 February 1992, or
is there a newer one?
--
http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/

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In article <43evn0$62n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, ylee@manila.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) writes:
> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> says:
> |	There is one more remote possibility, and that is maybe (c)slipper
> |tries to be cute and use TX empty interrupts from the UART to trigger more
> |sending. That can easily lead to loss of received-char-available interrupts
> |and hence lost incoming packets. That's the reason I rewrote slip8250 some
> |time ago. 
> 
> Interesting--thanks for your possible diagnoses.
> 
> Is the slip8250 you rewrote the one that's dated 10 February 1992, or
> is there a newer one?
-----------------
	The current version is dated 11-22-93 and it is in the Crynwr
Collection of Packet Drivers, available widely.
	Joe D.

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On 11 Sep 1995, Joe Doupnik wrote:

> In article <Pine.PMDF.3.91.950911164308.13418A-100000@axe>, Larry Levine <ll1@axe> writes:
> > I recently switched from MS-Kermit 2.32 to 3.14, which resulted in a 
> > previously unseen problem...
> > 
> > Occasionally, immediately after my modem reports a connect, Ms-Kermit 
> > will show the message, 
> > 
> > 	?warning: unknown hardware for port.  Using Bios as BIOS2. 

> 	I dunno. The most suspicious culprit is a hardware conflict over
> the port. Do you have anything else attacking that port? A mouse driver,
> a MODE blah,P, hardware stepping on the IRQ wire or i/o port numbers?
> There is quite a bit of discussion of serial ports in the distribution
> docs so I suggest reading the material and see if any points apply to
> your machine.
> 	Joe D.
 
Much thanks, Joe. I re-read the material per your suggestion...no luck.  As
for the conflicts you mentioned, I couldn't find anything obvious, though
I suspect I lack the resources/knowledge to do a thorough check. 

FYI, I run MSKermit under the WordPerfect Shell 4.0 task swapper.

Anyway, I added a "set port 2" to the script just after the place where the
error message appears... and this seems to solve the problem completely. 

	Larry.

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My Internet service provider has just started offering PPP
connectivity (but not Usenet, hence the reflector).  I would like
to use Kermit TCP/IP features, but have been unable to grasp how
over a serial port.  I have used packet drivers for ethernet
cards, but don't know which driver may work serially.  I am using
MS-DOS but not Windows, so Winsock would not help.  Any advice? 
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In article <064310Z16091995@anon.penet.fi>,  <an369375@anon.penet.fi> wrote:
: My Internet service provider has just started offering PPP
: connectivity (but not Usenet, hence the reflector).  I would like
: to use Kermit TCP/IP features, but have been unable to grasp how
: over a serial port.  I have used packet drivers for ethernet
: cards, but don't know which driver may work serially.  I am using
: MS-DOS but not Windows, so Winsock would not help.  Any advice? 
: 
Note that the current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14.

PPP is, in most cases, problematic -- maybe somebody else who has gotten
this to work can pipe up.  But you can certainly use Kermit over SLIP
using the SLIP8250 driver that comes on the Kermit diskette, and following
the instructions in NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC, section "Making SLIP Connections".

- Frank

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In article <1995Sep15.113320.61386@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>In article <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes:
>> This message is a continuation of my inquest into why I have
>> had problems with MSK 3.14 and Linux connections.
>> 
>> I have made some progress, I believe in delimiting the problem,
>> so I will start a fresh thread.
>	<snipping off the details>

>	I think the logic is still muddled here. A simple suggestion is
>try a connection between MSK and a non-Linux machine, and observe the
>behavior. It's a substitution test.

If I understood correctly, I attempted this test.  I connected
between MSK and a SunOS 4.1.3 machine, let it sit for two hours and
there were no problems.

So what do you conclude?

Cheers,
  Seth




























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From: alan@clark.net (Alan McConnell)
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As a dedicated Linuxian, I am a big C-Kermit fan.  I'm getting my
mother - fairly new to computers - a Mac, and of course I downloaded
and installed the Mac version of Kermit.  Works great, except:  even though
fonts come with the package it really only likes the 9pt font, which
is hard for me and will be _very_ hard for my mother.  Can someone
reveal the trick to me whereby the Terminal Window(not so worried
about the Command Window) can have good-size(12-14pt) fonts which
look OK?  I should mention that the Mac is a performa, and I 
installed the fonts in what I am assured is the acceptable way:
dragging the icon over the System Folder and then answering Yes
to the question: should these be installed in Fonts?
Many thanks in advance for any help!
Best wishes,  Alan McConnell
-- 
Alan McConnell       For some strange reason, the United States, although
Pixel Analysis       inhabited by mostly rich people, is a very poor country.
(alan@clark.net)     ===>  Unless it can be abused, it's not freedom.  <===


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an369375@anon.penet.fi wrote:

: My Internet service provider has just started offering PPP
: connectivity (but not Usenet, hence the reflector).  I would like
: to use Kermit TCP/IP features, but have been unable to grasp how
: over a serial port.  I have used packet drivers for ethernet
: cards, but don't know which driver may work serially.  I am using
: MS-DOS but not Windows, so Winsock would not help.  Any advice? 

Try to get etherppp. It emulates a packetdriver interface and has a builtin
dialer. Works good with e.g. NCSA-Telnet. It needs 120 KB RAM so don't know
if it run with kermit.

Juergen

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From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:

: : If the Windows 95 version is commercial,
: : I would have very serious doubts about how
: : well it could compete with the dozens of other
: : Windows' communication programs already available.
: :
: Let's hope it holds its own.  Otherwise, we're
: outa here.  Simple as that.  Developing and supporting
: Kermit software on the scale that its present usage
: demands is a full-time job for a certain number of
: people. 

If K95 (sounding like the Australian Defence force exercise Kanagaroo '95)
can handle network protocols and INT 14H redirectors under Windows '95 it's
doing better than a large number of its competitors.

(Now if only I could persuade the folks at esoft.com to fund a built-in TIPX
client for MS-Kermit/K95...)

-- 
Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 
              arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au
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From: at@ierws3.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Alfred Trukenmueller)
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I have been using OS/2 C-Kermit 5A edit 191 for several months on
the German version of OS/2 Warp with WinOS without problems until
I tried to use the xsend macro. C-Kermit was stopped with SYS1808
and the return code of one of the programs (was it C-Kermit or REXX ?)
was reported to be 0005.

To isolate the problem, I edited a minimal REXX command file test.cmd.
  rexx call test.cmd
works fine as long as test.cmd contains REXX commands like
  say "hello"
but it results in the above error if test.cmd contains quoted Kermit
commands like
  'set parity none'.

I can't believe that I am the first to try the xsend macro under cko191
and OS/2 Warp, but I didn't find a description of this problem in the FAQ.

Thanks for any hints,

Alfred
-- 

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <43i9co$b3a@clark.net>, Alan McConnell <alan@clark.net> wrote:
>As a dedicated Linuxian, I am a big C-Kermit fan.  I'm getting my
>mother - fairly new to computers - a Mac, and of course I downloaded
>and installed the Mac version of Kermit.  Works great, except:  even though
>fonts come with the package it really only likes the 9pt font, which
>is hard for me and will be _very_ hard for my mother.  Can someone
>reveal the trick to me whereby the Terminal Window(not so worried
>about the Command Window) can have good-size(12-14pt) fonts which
>look OK?
>
As you might infer from reading the ckmker.bwr file, Mac Kermit has been
disinherited for quite some time, for lack of volunteer programmers and
funding for professional ones.  The font question is discussed at length
in the ckmker.bwr and accompanying ckmker.fon file.  The gist is that
this aspect of Mac Kermit (among many others) needs a complete overhaul.

We even have a new font created expressly for Mac Kermit, but the
program was never coded to use it.

The short answer to your question is that the only sizes for the built-in
font that are usable are 9 and 18.

- Frank

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Hi,

I'm trying to get ckermit to work on a minimal os2 system. The system runs
only a text mode session in full screen. I have removed all the pm and wps
components. It won't run. Anyway to get it to run?

Thanks,

Helen


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In article <1995Sep16.120306.12768@mercury.ncat.edu>,
 <hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm trying to get ckermit to work on a minimal os2 system. The system runs
>only a text mode session in full screen. I have removed all the pm and wps
>components. It won't run. Anyway to get it to run?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Helen
>

No.  C-Kermit is linked to the REXX and PM subsystems even though it is
a Vio application.  

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): 
   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip 
   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

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In article <43kd9m$lgb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
>In article <1995Sep16.120306.12768@mercury.ncat.edu>,
> <hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu> wrote:
>>I'm trying to get ckermit to work on a minimal os2 system. The system runs
>>only a text mode session in full screen. I have removed all the pm and wps
>>components. It won't run. Anyway to get it to run?
>
>No.  C-Kermit is linked to the REXX and PM subsystems even though it is
>a Vio application.  

Any chance a future version will load these DLL's dynamically rather than
statically?
-- 
Dave Gentzel
gentzel@telerama.lm.com

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From: crossman@dc-next.ucs.ualberta.ca (Ken Crossman)
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I would like to run Mskermit in VTXXX terminal emulation mode, capture
a session, then somehow remove the VTXXX control characters in the log
file.

I realize I can REPLAY the log file to see the session but I need it
in a fle.

Apologies if this is a FAQ.


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I have been using Kermit on an old IBM PC I had in my closet for a dumb
terminal for Linux.  Everything works great, except for some esthetics.
1.	Instead of a blank, black screen, I get underscores across each row.
It's very annoying and makes some work difficult.
2.	Their is a status line at the bottom of the screen which decreases my
screen size by one line and makes Emacs tutorial, among other things,
fail.

How do I rid myself of these two thorns?  Aside from these, Kermit is great and
I would like to commend the authors.  Thankyou.

Brian Hoort
Michigan State University
hoortbri@pilot.msu.edu

Just remember kids-
		All is moral in the name of god,
	and	Linux is religion with complete autonomy.


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In article <Pine.PMDF.3.91.950916154821.7262B-100000@axe>, Larry Levine <ll1@axe> writes:
> On 11 Sep 1995, Joe Doupnik wrote:
> 
>> In article <Pine.PMDF.3.91.950911164308.13418A-100000@axe>, Larry Levine <ll1@axe> writes:
>> > I recently switched from MS-Kermit 2.32 to 3.14, which resulted in a 
>> > previously unseen problem...
>> > 
>> > Occasionally, immediately after my modem reports a connect, Ms-Kermit 
>> > will show the message, 
>> > 
>> > 	?warning: unknown hardware for port.  Using Bios as BIOS2. 
> 
>> 	I dunno. The most suspicious culprit is a hardware conflict over
>> the port. Do you have anything else attacking that port? A mouse driver,
>> a MODE blah,P, hardware stepping on the IRQ wire or i/o port numbers?
>> There is quite a bit of discussion of serial ports in the distribution
>> docs so I suggest reading the material and see if any points apply to
>> your machine.
>> 	Joe D.
>  
> Much thanks, Joe. I re-read the material per your suggestion...no luck.  As
> for the conflicts you mentioned, I couldn't find anything obvious, though
> I suspect I lack the resources/knowledge to do a thorough check. 
> 
> FYI, I run MSKermit under the WordPerfect Shell 4.0 task swapper.
> 
> Anyway, I added a "set port 2" to the script just after the place where the
> error message appears... and this seems to solve the problem completely. 
> 
> 	Larry.
---------
	Oh. The WP task swapper. Well, all bets are off if you use that
item since it's not quite what we would call a multitasker in this day
and age. I don't know if it touches serial ports either. 
	I can say that some machines initialize their serial ports at
power on self test (POST) time better than others, and that internal
modems are often in an unstable state until beaten upon by software.
	Maybe you can try again with a bare machine (boot from floppy
to make life simpler), and without the WP task swapper. If the serial
port is recognized those ways then the finger swings to WP. Please keep
in mind that some TSRs consume lots of cpu time with interrupts turned
off, DOS' PRINT being near the head of that list, and they can interfere
with validating serial port hardware. So can using a 3C509 Ethernet
board for a lan adapter.
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters??
Date: 19 Sep 1995 08:58:49 -0400
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Cc: 

In article <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>,
Ken Crossman <Ken.Crossman@ualberta.ca> wrote:
: 
: I would like to run Mskermit in VTXXX terminal emulation mode, capture
: a session, then somehow remove the VTXXX control characters in the log
: file.
: 
: I realize I can REPLAY the log file to see the session but I need it
: in a fle.
: 
: Apologies if this is a FAQ.
: 
From the KERMIT.BWR file on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette:

You can use Kermit's controller-print feature to turn a session log into a
plain text file.  The session log contains escape sequences that can be
stripped as follows:

 1. Edit the session log file to insert ESC [ ? 5 i at the beginning
    (start controller print).

 2. Start Kermit and give it these commands:
      SET PORT BIOS1 ; Or some other port you will not actually be using.
      SET PRINTER FILE.TXT ; Send transparent print material to this file.
      REPLAY SESSION.LOG   ; Run session log through terminal emulator.

(Thanks to H.D. Knoble for this hint.)

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From: rak@vipunen.hut.fi (Risto A Karola)
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Hi,

I have succesfully used kermit with home desktop PC, but now I have a
problem with Toshiba T2110CS & Angia Fax/Modem 14.4 Kbps:

When (in the middle of a session) I exit from terminal emulator to
kermit (Alt-X) and give PUSH command to go to DOS shell, the speaker
begins to output the line 'noise' and when I EXIT back to kermit, the
connection is cut off.

Any ideas why this is happening? Fixes? I couldn't find anything to fix this.

Thanks,

RAK

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From: lauro@argo.ico.olivetti.com (Marco Lauro)
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Subject: REQUEST: KERMIT SPECS
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Excuse me for my poor english.
I must connect an HP portable programmable calculator to PC. The HP serial port uses the kermit protocol.
Can anyone send me a copy of the kermit specifications ????

Thank in advance..............

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: REQUEST: KERMIT SPECS
Date: 19 Sep 1995 17:30:55 GMT
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In article <43mqvf$gj7@fusaro.ICO.Olivetti.Com>,
Marco Lauro <lauro@argo.ico.olivetti.com> wrote:
>Excuse me for my poor english.
>I must connect an HP portable programmable calculator to PC. The HP serial
>port uses the kermit protocol. 
>Can anyone send me a copy of the kermit specifications ????
>
Just run communications software on your PC that uses the Kermit protocol,
such as MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.  Then you can transfer files with the HP
calculator:

  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
  directory kermit/archives,
  binary mode,
  file msvibm.zip.

Unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to
preserve the directory structure.  Then read the top-level READ.ME
file for further installation instructions.

For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please
purchase the manual:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York NY  10025-7721
    USA
    Voice: +1 212 854-3703
    Fax:   +1 212 663-8202
    Email: kermit@columbia.edu
    Web:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn
  on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada,
		       Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time)
    +1 617 928 2613   (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info)
    +44 1933 414000   (Rushden, England distribution centre for
		       UK & Europe)
    +44 1865 310366   (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept)
    +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ)
    +65 356-1968      (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore,
		       Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand)
    +27 (31) 2683111  (Durban office for South Africa)

- Frank

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From: at@ierws3.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Alfred Trukenmueller)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with OS/2 C-Kermit REXX interface
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In article <43jclu$2bao@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>,
at@ierws3.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Alfred Trukenmueller) writes:
|> 
|> I have been using OS/2 C-Kermit 5A edit 191 for several months on
|> the German version of OS/2 Warp with WinOS without problems until
|> I tried to use the xsend macro. C-Kermit was stopped with SYS1808
|> and the return code of one of the programs (was it C-Kermit or REXX ?)
|> was reported to be 0005.
|> 
|> To isolate the problem, I edited a minimal REXX command file test.cmd.
|>   rexx call test.cmd
|> works fine as long as test.cmd contains REXX commands like
|>   say "hello"
|> but it results in the above error if test.cmd contains quoted Kermit
|> commands like
|>   'set parity none'.

This problem is obsolete with the current version of OS/2 C-Kermit!!

Jeffrey Altman of Columbia University suggested to use the latest version,
and indeed everything works perfectly. (The problem is restricted to an older
version of ck0191, with ckoker32.exe dated 04-05-95.)
-- 

 .-------------------------------------------------------------------------.
 | Alfred Trukenmueller                             Universitaet Stuttgart |
 |                                                  IER                    |

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From: Raj Venkataraman <venkar%morgan@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>
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Subject: Kermit: invoking script
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Is there a way of automatically kicking off a script at the end of a file
transfer? More specifically, I have kermit running in server mode on my Sun
workstation. I have a user's PC connected to the serial port on my Sun w/s. I
would like to automatically kick off a script as soon as the file transfer is
done. The script takes the filename as the first (and only) argument.

Any pointers/tips much appreciated.

Raj
-- 
Raj Venkataraman
venkar@morgan.com


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From: dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow)
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Subject: hayes.tak for DIAL command
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What should be in the hayes.tak file to make the DIAL command work with a 
Hayes compatible modem?  The Kermit version I have is mskermit 3.0.
Thanks,
David Stow


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In article <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
>        So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems
>in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or
>not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there
>(current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake).
>        Anyone else have some ideas? Dan?
>        Joe D.

Just wondering if a related problem is MSK314's hanging when telneting to a 
VMS system using CMU/IP.  I no longer have CMU running, but I remember it as 
an unsolved issue.  It usually happened after about 30 seconds of inactivity.

JamesS

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Subject: Re: Q: How to get rid of all the horiz. lines?
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In article <43l0mt$18de@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, Brian Hoort <hoortbri@pilot.msu.edu> writes:
> I have been using Kermit on an old IBM PC I had in my closet for a dumb
> terminal for Linux.  Everything works great, except for some esthetics.
> 1.	Instead of a blank, black screen, I get underscores across each row.
> It's very annoying and makes some work difficult.
> 2.	Their is a status line at the bottom of the screen which decreases my
> screen size by one line and makes Emacs tutorial, among other things,
> fail.
> 
> How do I rid myself of these two thorns?  Aside from these, Kermit is great and
> I would like to commend the authors.  Thankyou.
--------------
	You have a monochrome board in the machine yet Linux thinks it is
a color unit. Color code dim blue on black means underlining to mono
display adapters. Kermit examines the display adapter to determine its
capabilities, but Linux simulates that to Kermit and thus MSK can't come
close to the real hardware.
	You are using a VTxxx emulation, not a PC emulation. VTxxx terminals
have 24 lines, not a PC display. Tell your machine the correct screen size
(say 80x24) and the display should be fine.
	Thanks for the complement and we hope you enjoy Kermits.
	Joe D.

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Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem
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In article <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:

| 	So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems
| in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or
| not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there
| (current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake).
| 	Anyone else have some ideas? Dan?

Ah, well, that certainly explains it (assuming the version that sends
0.0.0.0 is the one we were talking about).  Glancing at the Linux code
I see that it will drop any replies that aren't addressed (meaning that
target ip is one of its addresses) to it.  This action appears to be
intentional.  Of course, this doesn't explain why the fixed kermit fails
in a worse way...  Perhaps some other field is getting trashed?  The Linux
code seems to be quite picky and checks all the length and type fields.  If
anything is wrong, the ARP packet gets dropped.

				Dan Lanciani
				ddl@harvard.*

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters??
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In article <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, crossman@dc-next.ucs.ualberta.ca (Ken Crossman) writes:
> I would like to run Mskermit in VTXXX terminal emulation mode, capture
> a session, then somehow remove the VTXXX control characters in the log
> file.
> 
> I realize I can REPLAY the log file to see the session but I need it
> in a fle.
> 
> Apologies if this is a FAQ.
-----------
	SET PRINTER <filename or device name of choice>
	Then while in Connect mode press ALT-PrintScreen. See "PRN"
on the status line. That's a clean copy of just the TEXT appearing
on each line, after the cursor moves off by several standard ways.
ALT-Printscreen is a toggle, so press again to turn it off.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem
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In article <43idul$j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes:
> In article <1995Sep15.113320.61386@cc.usu.edu>,
> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>>In article <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes:
>>> This message is a continuation of my inquest into why I have
>>> had problems with MSK 3.14 and Linux connections.
>>> 
>>> I have made some progress, I believe in delimiting the problem,
>>> so I will start a fresh thread.
>>	<snipping off the details>
> 
>>	I think the logic is still muddled here. A simple suggestion is
>>try a connection between MSK and a non-Linux machine, and observe the
>>behavior. It's a substitution test.
> 
> If I understood correctly, I attempted this test.  I connected
> between MSK and a SunOS 4.1.3 machine, let it sit for two hours and
> there were no problems.
> 
> So what do you conclude?
------------
	So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems
in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or
not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there
(current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake).
	Anyone else have some ideas? Dan?
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: hayes.tak for DIAL command
Date: 20 Sep 1995 13:05:06 GMT
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In article <43n15s$frj@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>,
David Stow <dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> wrote:
>What should be in the hayes.tak file to make the DIAL command work with a 
>Hayes compatible modem?  The Kermit version I have is mskermit 3.0.
>
The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14 and it comes with dialing
scripts for many modems.  Just install it according to instructions,
tell it to "set modem hayes" (or other), and DIAL:

  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
  directory kermit/archives,
  binary mode,
  file msvibm.zip.

If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you
want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of
your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other
file you might have modified.

Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to
preserve the directory structure.  Then read the top-level READ.ME
file for further installation instructions.

For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please
purchase the manual:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York NY  10025-7721
    USA
    Voice: +1 212 854-3703
    Fax:   +1 212 663-8202
    Email: kermit@columbia.edu
    Web:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
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  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn
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  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada,
		       Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time)
    +1 617 928 2613   (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info)
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- Frank

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Subject: Request  Kermit dialup script examples
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I would kindly appreciate it if anyone having a couple of already written 
scripts that use kermit to dial up a remote connection, log on to a 
session without user assistance, and subsequently retrieve a number of 
files either using the kermit specification or an external protocol such 
as rz could please either email them to me at chau0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu 
as mime or text attachments -- or post them here if others would have 
interest in seeing them.

I have the unix version of Kermit.

Thanks ahead of time. I need some information in kinda of a hurry, 
otherwise I would be willing to wait for the books from Columba to arrive.

Thanks alot

Sothamith
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From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson)
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Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem
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Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
[snip]

: 	So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems
: in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or
: not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there
: (current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake).
: 	Anyone else have some ideas? Dan?
: 	Joe D.

Caveat: I don't have networking on my system at home.  The systems with 
networking I have experiences with are 1.0.9 on a network with an IBM 
RS/6000 Model 320(?).

We couldn't get a network connection (ping, telnet, ftp) between the IBM and 
the Linux machines unless someone was logged on to the Linux machine.
Strange but maybe applicable.

Rod

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: REQUEST: KERMIT SPECS
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In article <43mqvf$gj7@fusaro.ICO.Olivetti.Com>, lauro@argo.ico.olivetti.com (Marco Lauro) writes:
> Excuse me for my poor english.
> I must connect an HP portable programmable calculator to PC. The HP serial
 port uses the kermit protocol.
> Can anyone send me a copy of the kermit specifications ????
-----------
	First, if Kermit is built into the HP calculator then you can run
MS-DOS Kermit on the PC and move files back and forth naturally. HP48
calculators, in particular, work well this way. 
	On the other hand, if the calculator lacks a Kermit program, and it 
has the ability to be programmed enough to make a primative Kermit, then a 
good place to start is purchasing a copy of the rule book: "Kermit, a file 
transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, ISBN 0-932376-88-6, also available from 
Columbia University. In addition to presenting the Kermit protocol 
specifications the book has a BASIC program implementing a very simplified 
version of the Kermit protocol.
	Joe D.

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From: espiritu@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (Ed Espiritu)
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Subject: Re: ?warning: unknown hardware for port
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In article <Pine.PMDF.3.91.950916154821.7262B-100000@axe>,
Larry Levine  <ll1@axe> wrote:
>
>
>On 11 Sep 1995, Joe Doupnik wrote:
>
>> In article <Pine.PMDF.3.91.950911164308.13418A-100000@axe>, Larry Levine <ll1@axe> writes:
>> > I recently switched from MS-Kermit 2.32 to 3.14, which resulted in a 
>> > previously unseen problem...
>> > 
>> > Occasionally, immediately after my modem reports a connect, Ms-Kermit 
>> > will show the message, 
>> > 
>> > 	?warning: unknown hardware for port.  Using Bios as BIOS2. 
>
>> 	I dunno. The most suspicious culprit is a hardware conflict over
>> the port. Do you have anything else attacking that port? A mouse driver,
>> a MODE blah,P, hardware stepping on the IRQ wire or i/o port numbers?
>> There is quite a bit of discussion of serial ports in the distribution
>> docs so I suggest reading the material and see if any points apply to
>> your machine.
>> 	Joe D.
> 
>Much thanks, Joe. I re-read the material per your suggestion...no luck.  As
>for the conflicts you mentioned, I couldn't find anything obvious, though
>I suspect I lack the resources/knowledge to do a thorough check. 
>
>FYI, I run MSKermit under the WordPerfect Shell 4.0 task swapper.
>
>Anyway, I added a "set port 2" to the script just after the place where the
>error message appears... and this seems to solve the problem completely. 
>
>	Larry.

Clone 486DX2-66
Windows 3.1
PC Tools for Windows shell

my login script reads
set port 2
echo set port 2
set port 2
echo set port 2
set port 2
echo set port 2

Occasionally the first one generates the error, one in thirty
uses.  The second one never generates the error.  The third one
is there in case it does.

Sessions with and without the error message are indistinguishable.

--
Ed Espiritu
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem
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In article <2994@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM>, ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) writes:
> In article <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> 
> | 	So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems
> | in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or
> | not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there
> | (current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake).
> | 	Anyone else have some ideas? Dan?
> 
> Ah, well, that certainly explains it (assuming the version that sends
> 0.0.0.0 is the one we were talking about).  Glancing at the Linux code
> I see that it will drop any replies that aren't addressed (meaning that
> target ip is one of its addresses) to it.  This action appears to be
> intentional.  Of course, this doesn't explain why the fixed kermit fails
> in a worse way...  Perhaps some other field is getting trashed?  The Linux
> code seems to be quite picky and checks all the length and type fields.  If
> anything is wrong, the ARP packet gets dropped.
---------
	It doesn't explain it at this time since the data are missing. A
quick packet trace would be a good start on the data part.
	Joe D.

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Does anyone know whether there is a 16550-aware cslip driver extant?

 and when I EXIT back to kermit, the
> connection is cut off.
> 
> Any ideas why this is happening? Fixes? I couldn't find anything to fix this.
-----------
	Good grief. No, there is no obvious "fix" since the problem is not
directly a Kermit difficulty. When Kermit shells to DOS it detaches from the
serial port, and perhaps your Toshiba and/or the internal modem is doing a 
power-save operation that yields the strange behavior. Some internal modems 
are known to have bizarre side effects when their serial port is programmed,
and there is nothing much more that we can do to avoid such situations (they
depend on the precise model and so on). 
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <43pe7u$q4g@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov>,
Ute R. Willmore <ute@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov> wrote:
>I have just started using Kermit and really know very little about it.
>
The best way to learn is from the manuals, listed at the end of this
message.

>There
>are some things I need to do from a UNIX machine, but I don't know how. So,
>here are my questions. I would appreciate any help and/or the faq location.
>
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt

>I know how to initiate a file transfer using Kermit for Unix, but I need to
>suppress the progress screen Kermit puts up. Any idea how to do that?
>
Depending on which Kermit program you are talking about, it would be
SET FILE DISPLAY NONE or SET DISPLAY QUIET.

>Also, how do I initiate a dos command from the UNIX side via Kermit?
>
Read about APC in the .UPD file that comes with the current version of
MS-DOS Kermit (3.14) or C-Kermit (5A(190)).

>I have a c program running under UNIX 4.2 and need to get a listing of
>the files in a specified directory on a DOS machine (which is connected
>via a serial line to the UNIX system). That listing of files needs then
>to be transfered to the UNIX machine.
>
Here's one way:

MS-Kermit> set term apc unchecked
MS-Kermit> connect

C-Kermit> def xx apc dir *.* > x.tmp, apc server, get x.tmp, fin
C-Kermit> xx

- Frank
                               KERMIT BOOK LIST

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs
with DOS or Windows, is documented in:

    Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital
    Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
    1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM
    PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.  In computer and book
    stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press.

A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991),
    414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC,
    PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-
    language help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  ISBN
    3-88229-006-4.

And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition,
    Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.  Packaged with
    version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on
    a 5.25-inch diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre.  ISBN
    2-901143-20-2.

There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC
PC9801:

    Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today
    Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages.  ISBN
    4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E.

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C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS,
OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is documented in:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press
    / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN
    1-55558-108-0.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
    Columbia University or from Digital Press.

A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und
    Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).  ISBN
    3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.

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The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book, which
also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data communications, and
using Kermit:

    Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press /
    Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN
    0-932376-88-6.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
    Columbia University or from Digital Press.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating systems is
available from Columbia University.  Contact Columbia for a free Kermit
software catalog.


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                                 HOW TO ORDER

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ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS:

   1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University:

          Kermit Development and Distribution
          Columbia University Academic Information Systems
          612 West 115th Street
          New York NY  10025-7721  USA
          Tel.  +1 212 854-3703, Fax   +1 212 663-8202
          E-Mail: kermit@columbia.edu

      Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Add $10 US PER BOOK for shipping
      outside of North America.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
      prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
      a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.  Quantity
      discounts are available.  Single-copy US prices (in US dollars):

          Using MS-DOS Kermit  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 36.95
          Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 36.95
          Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 32.95
          All three  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 85.00

      Or order direct from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann
      / Reed-Elsevier with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

  +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM)
  +1 617 928 2613   (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info)
  +44 1933 414000   (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe)
  +44 1865 310366   (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept)
  +65 356-1968      (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, ...)
  +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ)
  +27 (31) 2683111  (Durban office for South Africa)

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GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS:

        MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: . . . . DM 79,00
        C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DM 88,00

        Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG
        Helstorfer Strasse 7
        D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY
        Tel.  +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax  +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29

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FRENCH:  Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi:  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  FF 495,00

        Heinz Schiefer & Cie.               Also available from
        45 rue Henri de Regnier             Columbia University,
        F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE          same price as English edition.
        Tel.  +33 39 53 95 26, Fax   +33 39 02 39 71

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JAPANESE:  MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  1,800 Y

        Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd.
        Abe-toku Building
        2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku
        Tokyo 101, JAPAN
        Tel.  +81-3-3256-1091

(End)

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From: hdelien@telerama.lm.com (knight)
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I am looking for kermit for an IBM AS400 running (of course) OS400.  
Please reply via E-mail and let me know if there is a version available.  
I checked columbia university and didn't see it, I may have missed it though.

Thanks, in advance.
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters??
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In article <43pcce$g83@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net> writes:
> Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
> 
> : 	SET PRINTER <filename or device name of choice>
> : 	Then while in Connect mode press ALT-PrintScreen. See "PRN"
> 
> Should this be CTRL-PrintScreen?  Works for me ;-)
> 
> -- 
> ---
> Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
>                 - Pope Valley & Napa CA.
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	Indeed, you are correct Clarence. I'll have to have a word with
the guy (me) who wrote the response above and the code.
        Thanks,
	Joe D.

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From: helios@swcp.com (Thomas David Nichols)
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Subject: Re: Kermit: invoking script
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Raj Venkataraman (venkar@morgan) wrote:
: Is there a way of automatically kicking off a script at the end of a file
: transfer? More specifically, I have kermit running in server mode on my Sun
: workstation. I have a user's PC connected to the serial port on my Sun w/s. I
: would like to automatically kick off a script as soon as the file transfer is
: done. The script takes the filename as the first (and only) argument.

The gurus may understand your question as it stands, but I am a bit
lost.  Which version(s) of Kermit are you using?  Which machine is
receiving the file?  Which machine do you want to run the script?
Is there already a script directing the file transfer?  If so, can
it simply continue to do what you want next?

--
Thomas David Nichols    Heliotrope Quality Systems, 1-505-298-4657
Quality Auditing, Quality Manuals, Statistics, ISO-9000 Consulting

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Subject: Re: PUSHing to DOS with MSK 3.14
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Risto A Karola (rak@vipunen.hut.fi) wrote:

: I have succesfully used kermit with home desktop PC, but now I have a
: problem with Toshiba T2110CS & Angia Fax/Modem 14.4 Kbps:

Disable power-saving options for the modem.
When you "push" to DOS, Kermit gives up the modem.  When the modem is not in
use, a power save option on a laptop might choose to turn off the modem.

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters??
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Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:

: 	SET PRINTER <filename or device name of choice>
: 	Then while in Connect mode press ALT-PrintScreen. See "PRN"

Should this be CTRL-PrintScreen?  Works for me ;-)

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From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer)
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Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters??
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In article <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, crossman@dc-next.ucs.ualberta.ca (Ken Crossman) writes:
> 
> I would like to run Mskermit in VTXXX terminal emulation mode, capture
> a session, then somehow remove the VTXXX control characters in the log
> file.
> 
> I realize I can REPLAY the log file to see the session but I need it
> in a fle.
> 
> Apologies if this is a FAQ.
> 
it sorta is, but it's not obvious... 

SET PRINTER FILENAME, where you say the filename, no, type it...

rather than log session, use:

CONTROL-PRINTSCREEN to start logging via the vt100 autoprint, thus
			autoprinting into the file, only completed
			lines are logged, thus stripping the ansi
			sequences..

thanks to Joe D for his help to me on this..

Jim

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Clarence Dold (dold@rahul.net) wrote:
: Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:

: : 	SET PRINTER <filename or device name of choice>
: : 	Then while in Connect mode press ALT-PrintScreen. See "PRN"

: Should this be CTRL-PrintScreen?  Works for me ;-)

I, too, found CTRL-PrintScreen works better.  The other method,
editing a "start printer" sequence into the session log and replaying
the log file, works better if you put a "stop printer" sequence
(change 5 to 4 in the code) at the end.  Otherwise, MSKermit complains
that the printer is not ready.

Unfortunately, neither method works with the gopher server I tried
it on, because it erases the screen before writing each page, and
nothing scrolls off the screen into the printer file.  I had to
resort to screen dumps and heavy editing :-(

--
Thomas David Nichols    Heliotrope Quality Systems, 1-505-298-4657
Quality Auditing, Quality Manuals, Statistics, ISO-9000 Consulting

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Tony Kimball <alk@news.cfa.org> says:
|Does anyone know whether there is a 16550-aware cslip driver extant?

The aforementioned cslipper.exe, part of the slippr15.zip found on all
the big archive sites, is 16550 aware as of v1.1.
--
http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/

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In article <43pa6f$gh3@epicycle.lm.com>,
knight <hdelien@telerama.lm.com> wrote:
: I am looking for kermit for an IBM AS400 running (of course) OS400.
: Please reply via E-mail and let me know if there is a version available.
: I checked columbia university and didn't see it, I may have missed it
: though.
:
I contend that the AS/400 is unprogrammable.  If it were not, surely
someone would have written a Kermit program for it by now.

Does anybody care to prove me wrong?  :-)

- Frank

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In C-Kermit, when I try "set speed 19200" (or any other value), I 
get an error message "you must SET LINE first". I still get this 
message *after* I "set line /dev/tty" (and I've checked that LINE
is properly set). Any ideas?

Thanks,

Paul

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <jamess.34.00881051@winternet.com>, jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) writes:
> In article <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>>From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
>>        So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems
>>in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or
>>not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there
>>(current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake).
>>        Anyone else have some ideas? Dan?
>>        Joe D.
> 
> Just wondering if a related problem is MSK314's hanging when telneting to a 
> VMS system using CMU/IP.  I no longer have CMU running, but I remember it as 
> an unsolved issue.  It usually happened after about 30 seconds of inactivity.
> 
> JamesS
---------
	I don't think we will know unless someone has CMU's TCP/IP running
and a TCP/IP packet capture facility handy. MSK does not hang here, which
includes VMS with TGV's Multinet on my MicroVax and on Alphas (not mine,
sigh), Unix boxes of various kinds (none Linux), and so on.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: hayes.tak for DIAL command
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In article <43n15s$frj@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) writes:
> What should be in the hayes.tak file to make the DIAL command work with a 
> Hayes compatible modem?  The Kermit version I have is mskermit 3.0.
> Thanks,
> David Stow
--------------
	The easiest solution is to "upgrade to the current release", which
is v3.14. Lots of dialing scripting has been done for you there. Please
see a nearby message from Frank da Cruz on ftp-ing to kermit.columbia.edu
for the quick start kit binary file msvibm.zip.
	Joe D.

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Subject: Re: cannot set speed
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In article <43sf8d$eu3@nntp.Stanford.EDU>,
Paul Fahn <fahn@arcata.stanford.edu> wrote:
>In C-Kermit, when I try "set speed 19200" (or any other value), I 
>get an error message "you must SET LINE first". I still get this 
>message *after* I "set line /dev/tty" (and I've checked that LINE
>is properly set). Any ideas?
>
As explained in the manual, you can only change the speed of an
external (e.g. dialout) line.  You can't change the speed of your
job's controlling terminal.  If you really want to do the latter,
issue the appropriate system command (stty, SET TERMINAL, etc)
prior to starting Kermit.

- Frank

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From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty)
Subject: Assorted Problems with C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2
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We've been having some problems with OS/2 C-Kermit when a file
transfer goes bad or a COM port gets hung.

If a file transfer fails (because the line goes down or some other
irregularity), it seems impossible to hang up the line without
physically disconnecting the phone line.  The "hangup" command doesn't
cut it.  This doesn't happen very often, but when it does, shouldn't I
be able to tell C-Kermit just to make the modem go on-hook?

As for the hung COM port problem, it makes it impossible to close
C-Kermit.  Not only does C-Kermit lock up so that I can't type "exit,"
but it won't even close when I double-click the icon box, or even when
I try to kill it with a utility like Watchcat.  The only way out of
this problem seems to be to reboot.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,
Andy
--
Andrew J. Korty
Systems Programmer
Physics Computer Network
Purdue University

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In article <DF9L2F.5tE@physics.purdue.edu>,
Andrew J. Korty <korty@london.physics.purdue.edu> wrote:
>We've been having some problems with OS/2 C-Kermit when a file
>transfer goes bad or a COM port gets hung.
>
>If a file transfer fails (because the line goes down or some other
>irregularity), it seems impossible to hang up the line without
>physically disconnecting the phone line.  The "hangup" command doesn't
>cut it.  This doesn't happen very often, but when it does, shouldn't I
>be able to tell C-Kermit just to make the modem go on-hook?

This is not a Kermit problem but a modem configuration issue.  Configure
your modem to drop hangup when DTR drops.

>As for the hung COM port problem, it makes it impossible to close
>C-Kermit.  Not only does C-Kermit lock up so that I can't type "exit,"
>but it won't even close when I double-click the icon box, or even when
>I try to kill it with a utility like Watchcat.  The only way out of
>this problem seems to be to reboot.

If an OS/2 program hangs because it has failed in a device driver call, i.e.
the device driver never returns, OS/2 will not terminate the program because 
doing so would destabalize the rest of the system.

The problem is in your Device Driver.  If you are using the one that shipped
with your version of OS/2 and have not applied service packs, do so.
If you are using an alternate driver, contact the author and make sure you
are using the latest version.

Most driver hangs on ISA machines are caused by interrupt conflicts.  Make 
sure that your Serial port IRQs are not also being used by Sound Boards,
network cards, scsi cards, etc.


>What am I doing wrong?
>
>Thanks,
>Andy
>--
>Andrew J. Korty
>Systems Programmer
>Physics Computer Network
>Purdue University


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In article <1995Sep20.170141.61741@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>	It doesn't explain it at this time since the data are missing. A
>quick packet trace would be a good start on the data part.

I am willing to attempt this packet trace, but I do not know what software 
to use, and whether it is easily accessbile (e.g., via anon ftp)

   Seth



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From: murthy@pha.jhu.edu
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I log in from home over a SLIP line directly to my office where I
also have SLIP running. I have ckermit-191 under Warp on both machines.
In the documentation it says that I can use kermit instead of a program like
Laplink but I can't seem to get the two to communicate. When I type "server"
I get a message like "trying 0.0.0.0" (I can't swear to the syntax and address)
and then ntohing further. What can I do?

Thanks,
Jayant

Jayant Murthy
murthy@pha.jhu.edu


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In article <446cfp$t1k@news.jhu.edu>,  <murthy@pha.jhu.edu> wrote:
>I log in from home over a SLIP line directly to my office where I
>also have SLIP running. I have ckermit-191 under Warp on both machines.
>In the documentation it says that I can use kermit instead of a program like
>Laplink but I can't seem to get the two to communicate. When I type "server"
>I get a message like "trying 0.0.0.0" (I can't swear to the syntax and address)
>and then ntohing further. What can I do?

The documentation says:

place one of the kermits in incoming mode:

	SET NETWORK TCP
	SET HOST *:<port>

Then you can issue the SERVER command

---

On the other Kermit, 

	SET NETWORK TCP
	SET HOST <other kermit IP name>:<port>
	
Then you can issue Kermit Server commands.




Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): 
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In article <445vr8$7u0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes:
> In article <1995Sep20.170141.61741@cc.usu.edu>,
> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>>	It doesn't explain it at this time since the data are missing. A
>>quick packet trace would be a good start on the data part.
> 
> I am willing to attempt this packet trace, but I do not know what software 
> to use, and whether it is easily accessbile (e.g., via anon ftp)
--------------
	A quick free tool is to use the Cyrnwr Collection of Packet Drivers
programs TRACE and DUMP. TRACE is a TSR with a 50+KB packet buffer and sits
on top of a Packet Driver. Run as  TRACE 0x60 50000 (or equiv), run Kermit,
exit Kermit, say EXIT to DOS to terminate TRACE. 50KB of buffer does not
last long at all. The binary output file is trace.out. DUMP reads that
file and sends the ASCII rendition to stdout, so redirect it to a file.
	These programs are widely available, such as on kermit.columbia.edu
and netlab2.usu.edu.
	Joe D.

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From: Lakehead.user@lakeheadu.ca
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Subject: Problems with Kermit 3.xx using VMS, vt100 emulation
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Greetings,

      I'm a newbie to the group, so please bear with me if this problem
has already been addressed.  I use Kermit to log onto our MicroVAX II,
and run a software package on VMS that does Payroll, General Ledger, etc.
When we upgraded the Kermit on my machine (from 2.xx to 3.xx, I'm not
exactly sure of the version numbers), I tried to mimic the commands from
the older version into the newer one.  It works okay.  However, while
running the software on VMS, it seems that I'm getting "echoes" of 
control characters and stuff.  Also, when I try to go from the bottom of
the screen back up, the screen becomes distorted with overprinting of the
template (entry screen) on top of what is currently there.  I know that
this is not a lot of information, but if someone could give me any sort
of help, I'd really appreciate it.  Thanks for your time,


Patrick Cholin
Programmer/Analyst
Lakehead University

e-mail occpat@rowdi.lakeheadu.ca


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit 3.xx using VMS, vt100 emulation
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In article <22237@storm.LakeheadU.Ca>, Lakehead.user@lakeheadu.ca writes:
> Greetings,
> 
>       I'm a newbie to the group, so please bear with me if this problem
> has already been addressed.  I use Kermit to log onto our MicroVAX II,
> and run a software package on VMS that does Payroll, General Ledger, etc.
> When we upgraded the Kermit on my machine (from 2.xx to 3.xx, I'm not
> exactly sure of the version numbers), I tried to mimic the commands from
> the older version into the newer one.  It works okay.  However, while
> running the software on VMS, it seems that I'm getting "echoes" of 
> control characters and stuff.  Also, when I try to go from the bottom of
> the screen back up, the screen becomes distorted with overprinting of the
> template (entry screen) on top of what is currently there.  I know that
> this is not a lot of information, but if someone could give me any sort
> of help, I'd really appreciate it.  Thanks for your time,
---------------
	How are you getting into your faithful MicroVAX? Serial connection
or Telnet or DECnet? Is the terminal type being set correctly by VMS, such
as doing a SET TERM/INQ in your login.com file?
	More likely than not you have a 7/8 bit display problem or someone
has manipulated the basic terminal driver (VMS) settings. Here is what my
MicroVAX shows for MSK v3.14 setup as VT100:

$ sh term
Terminal: _NTY1:      Device_Type: VT100         Owner: JRD
Remote Port Info: jrd.usu.edu

   Input:   9600      LFfill:  0      Width:  80      Parity: None
   Output:  9600      CRfill:  0      Page:   24

Terminal Characteristics:
   Interactive        Echo               Type_ahead         No Escape
   Hostsync           TTsync             Lowercase          Tab
   Wrap               Scope              Remote             No Eightbit
   Broadcast          No Readsync        No Form            Fulldup
   No Modem           No Local_echo      Autobaud           Hangup
   No Brdcstmbx       No DMA             No Altypeahd       No Set_speed
   Line Editing       Insert editing     No Fallback        No Dialup
   No Secure server   Disconnect         No Pasthru         No Syspassword
   No SIXEL Graphics  No Soft Characters No Printer Port    Numeric Keypad
   ANSI_CRT           No Regis           No Block_mode      No Advanced_video
   No Edit_mode       DEC_CRT            No DEC_CRT2        No DEC_CRT3
   No DEC_CRT4
$
	Notice that VMS properly understands that a VT100 is a 7-bit
device ("No Eightbit") and to echo for us ("Echo"). and it's a DEC_CRT
old device (a 100 level and below). This is an Ethernet connection (Telnet).
	The above is a good starting point for you to decode your environment.
To do more we would need to know more about your situation.
	Joe D.

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From: christmn@cyberport.net (Richard Christman)
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Subject: sending AT commands with Kermit...?
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hi all,

some time back i ask about how one would send AT commands to a modem
using kermit. i received the instructions:
set line /dev/tty<whatever> 
set carrier off
connect
then type AT commands to my hearts content :)

you know what, i get an immediate disconnect after connect...
C-Kermit>set line /dev/ttyA14
C-Kermit>set carrier off
C-Kermit>connect
Connecting to /dev/ttyA14, speed 19200.
The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS)
Type the escape character followed by C to get back,
or followed by ? to see other options.

Communications disconnect (Back at cpmt2.cyberport.net)
C-Kermit>

what am i doing wrong?

tia

richard


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In article <1995Sep25.232219.62039@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>In article <22237@storm.LakeheadU.Ca>, Lakehead.user@lakeheadu.ca writes:
>> Greetings,
>> 
>>       I'm a newbie to the group, so please bear with me if this problem
>> has already been addressed.  I use Kermit to log onto our MicroVAX II,
>> and run a software package on VMS that does Payroll, General Ledger, etc.
>> When we upgraded the Kermit on my machine (from 2.xx to 3.xx, I'm not
>> exactly sure of the version numbers), I tried to mimic the commands from
>> the older version into the newer one.  It works okay.  However, while
>> running the software on VMS, it seems that I'm getting "echoes" of 
>> control characters and stuff.  Also, when I try to go from the bottom of
>> the screen back up, the screen becomes distorted with overprinting of the
>> template (entry screen) on top of what is currently there.  I know that
>> this is not a lot of information, but if someone could give me any sort
>> of help, I'd really appreciate it.  Thanks for your time,
>---------------
>	How are you getting into your faithful MicroVAX? Serial connection
>or Telnet or DECnet? Is the terminal type being set correctly by VMS, such
>as doing a SET TERM/INQ in your login.com file?
>	More likely than not you have a 7/8 bit display problem or someone
>has manipulated the basic terminal driver (VMS) settings.

Good suggestion; but I'd also check the flow control if a serial
connection is being used.  In particular, if you didn't carry
over your old flow control settings into the new MSCUSTOM.INI 
when you upgraded then you lost
whatever flow control settings you had made there.

If you're directly connectedd to a multiplexer inside
the uVax, you almost certainly want to be sure that XON/XOFF is
chosen in MS-Kermit.  On a terminal server, check what sort
of flow control the server is expecting (a SHOW PORT works on
many Xyplex-like servers) and be sure that MS-Kermit matches
that.

Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu)

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From: gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord)
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Subject: Function keys w/ ANSI emulation and MSK
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This is the continuing saga of the problem reported yesterday with "ANSI"
graphics not displaying correctly.  I think this approach may solve the
problem better.

Using the ANSI terminal emulation allows me to see my screens on my
Xenix box ok.  But now I cannot for the life of me get the F-keys to
work.  It seems, for example, that ^[V (Esc-V, it would seem) is what
F10 should be (is this right?  I've only used VT100's, where it's Esc-0).
Scan code for F10 is \324, so I tried
   set key \324 \{27}V
and various other versions to get my Foxbase app on my Xenix box to
admit that this was F10.  No way; had to kill my Foxbase app from console
(F10 is Exit in this application!)  I tried the \K-verbs that looked at
all likely or plausible (PF10, decF10, etc ... I don't have MSK in front
of me right now, so bear with me).

Is there a "standard" keymapping problem with F keys?  This app also
uses F5, F6, ..., F10 and none of these work.

Thanks!
Clark

--
Clark K. Gaylord
Blacksburg, Virginia USA
cgaylord@vt.edu
http://gaylord.async.vt.edu/

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From: gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord)
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Subject: ANSI graphics not displaying right
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[ Article crossposted from comp.unix.xenix.sco ]
[ Author was Clark Gaylord ]
[ Posted on 25 Sep 1995 18:25:47 GMT ]

I have a PC running kermit connected via a terminal card to a Xenix
box (2.3.4).  The Xenix box's principal function in life is to run a
large foxbase application.  I cannot get the ansi screens to display
right and the function keys to work right at the same time.

The function keys seem to work best when kermit is emulating a Wyse50;
I get the screen *almost* right (cursor positioning is still flaky)
with Ansi.  But if I choose Wyse50, then the Ansi graphics characters
do not display correctly.  The wierd thing is that the graphics are
fine, e.g., in the vsh screen, under Wyse50, yet when I go into the
foxbase application it doesn't display right (I figure it's probably 
stripping the high bit).  I've tried various combinations of 7-bit vs
8-bit, code pages, character sets, etc.

Any tips would be appreciated.

P.S.  The Link terminal on another port works fine; I believe it is
doing Wyse emulation.



--
Clark K. Gaylord
Blacksburg, Virginia USA
cgaylord@vt.edu
http://gaylord.async.vt.edu/

--
Clark K. Gaylord
Blacksburg, Virginia USA
cgaylord@vt.edu
http://gaylord.async.vt.edu/

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: ANSI graphics not displaying right
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In article <446sft$3rb@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) writes:
> [ Article crossposted from comp.unix.xenix.sco ]
> [ Author was Clark Gaylord ]
> [ Posted on 25 Sep 1995 18:25:47 GMT ]
> 
> I have a PC running kermit connected via a terminal card to a Xenix
> box (2.3.4).  The Xenix box's principal function in life is to run a
> large foxbase application.  I cannot get the ansi screens to display
> right and the function keys to work right at the same time.
> 
> The function keys seem to work best when kermit is emulating a Wyse50;
> I get the screen *almost* right (cursor positioning is still flaky)
> with Ansi.  But if I choose Wyse50, then the Ansi graphics characters
> do not display correctly.  The wierd thing is that the graphics are
> fine, e.g., in the vsh screen, under Wyse50, yet when I go into the
> foxbase application it doesn't display right (I figure it's probably 
> stripping the high bit).  I've tried various combinations of 7-bit vs
> 8-bit, code pages, character sets, etc.
> 
> Any tips would be appreciated.
> 
> P.S.  The Link terminal on another port works fine; I believe it is
> doing Wyse emulation.
------------
	Well, I guess the obvious thing to say is the Xenix system is
using one kind of terminal emulation and Kermit is using another. It's
best to remember that Wyse terminals, taken as a group, tend to emulate
many previous terminals of times gone bye so the termcap entries tend
to be rather loose and varied. MSK emulates a native Wyse50 rather than
the many older variety.
	The other comment is "ANSI" graphics is almost a non-operative
word describing character sets. MSK matches up the native Wyse50 with
the inherent PC display adapter as best that it can so there will be
some differences. Something more specific than "ANSI" graphics might
help pin down the problem, as would a SESSION.LOG file (uuencoded for
mailing, thanks) for replaying here with your advice on what's wrong.
	Finally, you may want to have a word with the Xenix machine
and discover what it thinks it is doing. I don't have any Xenix facility
to test with, so we are reliant upon yours to dope out the situation.
	Joe D.

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From: clau@clark.net (David Clausen)
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Subject: Will MS-DOS Kermit act as server?
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Hello!  I am looking to perform automated file transfers between a 
UNIX host and an MS-DOS host using Kermit and a null-modem connection.

What I would like to do is have the Unix host act as the client,
sending files to the MS-DOS host unattended via cron.

My question is, can MS-DOS Kermit be set up as a remote server, 
sitting in the background and waiting for file transfer requests
from the UNIX host?

I know that C-Kermit has this functionality, but am not sure about
MS-DOS Kermit.

Thanks so much!
Dave Clausen
clau@clark.net

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Will MS-DOS Kermit act as server?
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In article <44c736$6on@clarknet.clark.net>, clau@clark.net (David Clausen) writes:
> Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
> : 	MS-DOS Kermit has had server mode for a very long time. It is
> : discussed in the documentation.
> : 	When you mix words "background" and "MS-DOS" then we have an
> : oxymoron. Perhaps you mean the MSK server patiently waits for requests,
> : and if so the answer is yes it does. But MSK is not a TSR item.
> : 	Joe D.
> 
> Joe, thanks for your response!
> 
> When I said "background", I meant that Kermit would be running as an
> MS-DOS session under WINDOWS 3.11.
> 
> Now, I need to make a decision between implementing MS-DOS Kermit, or
> UUPC.  UUPC's server (uucico) runs as a dedicated Windows session,
> which probably means it won't bog the system down as much as MSK
> will running as a DOS session.  However, from what I've read, it would
> seem that Kermit may be more reliable (although my connection is a
> direct null-modem cable).

	That's pretty much speculation, and I would recommend you put
matters to the test. Don't forget that you can tune cpu allocation for
a DOS box. Just as a matter of technical interest, MSK does not sit and
poll the serial port hardware for things to do, and it releases cpu time
slices when it's not busy. That makes MSK gentle on Windows, NT, OS/2,
DESQview. MSK continues to run happily when its Windows icon is the only
part showing.
	I'll skip listing features of interest in Kermit which are not in
most other comms programs.
	Joe D.
 
> If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions regarding UUPC vs. Kermit,
> I would love to hear them.
> 
> Dave Clausen
> clau@clark.net

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Does anyone know where to get the source code for the latest OS/2 version 
of C-Kermit?  CKO191.ZIP does not include the source.

TIA,
Vlad

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From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)
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Subject: Escape-Code Problem
Date: 26 Sep 1995 15:47:17 GMT
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Hello,

we use a software remotely via Kermit & TCP-IP. This software recognizes
the Escape-key (and character) and associates the function "one level back"
to it. On the other hand the terminal emulation (Kermit VT220) uses escape
sequences for cursors keys (e.g. <ESC>[B for cursord-down). Now this software
(yes, it does support a VT220) has to distinguish between a single escape
and an escape that is part of an escape sequence. Obviously this is done via
the delay between the bytes. And if the line is a bit slow you don't have
the cursor keys anymore :-( Thus, is there a way to tell Kermit that it will
send escape sequences in a single packet or something the like? I agree, this
is not a problem of Kermit but of the remote software (no way to disable the
escape key or remap it). But perhaps Kermit can offer a way to get around
this problem?

Regards,
   Christoph Gartmann

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From: feeney.chad@mhs-pfg1.attmail.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: "Send" command problems
Date: 28 Sep 1995 19:36:16 GMT
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"Send" command problems with a file transfer b/w a PC and a UNIX server...	

Q:  What I'm currenty experiencing with the "Send" command is that it will not transfer a file to 
      a capitialized UNIX subdirectory from a PC?  The send process works with non-capitialized 
      directories thou.  I have experimented with the "Get" command from the capitalized UNIX
      subdirectory to a PC and this process works correcty.  Any thoughts would be welcomed!

      Examples:

      (1)  send c:\chad\chad.doc /Test/level1/chad.doc  -->  This process fails...

      (2)  send c:\chad\chad.doc /test/level1/chad.doc   -->  This process works!!

      (3)  get /Test/level1/chad.doc c:\chad\chad.doc    -->  This process works!!


Side Notes:

What I also found is that Kermit will not read capital UNIX subdirectories and will try to recreate a 
that directory with the specified name given...

Example:	  send c:\chad\chad.doc /Test/level1/chad.doc --> This will try to create a directory on   
                  the UNIX system starting with /test/level1/chad.doc




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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Escape-Code Problem
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In article <4497a5$6sv@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes:
> Hello,
> 
> we use a software remotely via Kermit & TCP-IP. This software recognizes
> the Escape-key (and character) and associates the function "one level back"
> to it. On the other hand the terminal emulation (Kermit VT220) uses escape
> sequences for cursors keys (e.g. <ESC>[B for cursord-down). Now this software
> (yes, it does support a VT220) has to distinguish between a single escape
> and an escape that is part of an escape sequence. Obviously this is done via
> the delay between the bytes. And if the line is a bit slow you don't have
> the cursor keys anymore :-( Thus, is there a way to tell Kermit that it will
> send escape sequences in a single packet or something the like? I agree, this
> is not a problem of Kermit but of the remote software (no way to disable the
> escape key or remap it). But perhaps Kermit can offer a way to get around
> this problem?
----------
	Kermit for which operating system and machine??
	MS-DOS Kermit does group bytes corresponding to single key presses. 
Please do note that TCP/IP Telnet full duplex connections have no concept of 
records and unit delivery; it's a data stream. IP packets hold as much as the
protocol stack wants to send at that time and the time between packets is not
tied to the data. The Emacs-like ESC versus escape sequence timing gimmick
fails on long distance links because timing is not tightly controlled.
        Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Will MS-DOS Kermit act as server?
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In article <44al7o$q8l@clarknet.clark.net>, clau@clark.net (David Clausen) writes:
> Hello!  I am looking to perform automated file transfers between a 
> UNIX host and an MS-DOS host using Kermit and a null-modem connection.
> 
> What I would like to do is have the Unix host act as the client,
> sending files to the MS-DOS host unattended via cron.
> 
> My question is, can MS-DOS Kermit be set up as a remote server, 
> sitting in the background and waiting for file transfer requests
> from the UNIX host?

	MS-DOS Kermit has had server mode for a very long time. It is
discussed in the documentation.
	When you mix words "background" and "MS-DOS" then we have an
oxymoron. Perhaps you mean the MSK server patiently waits for requests,
and if so the answer is yes it does. But MSK is not a TSR item.
	Joe D.
	 
> I know that C-Kermit has this functionality, but am not sure about
> MS-DOS Kermit.
> 
> Thanks so much!
> Dave Clausen
> clau@clark.net

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Have recently had to step into the laptop user community using the above 
mentioned hardware. Windows based software seems to work okay with the 
PCMCIA card, but DOS based Kermit is a no go. Any ideas?

The IBM is a 755CD, the PCMCIA card is a 28.8K fax/modem by Megahertz.

Symptoms is system lockup.

-- 
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In article <44etfg$89@legba.synergy.net>,
 <feeney.chad@mhs-pfg1.attmail.com> wrote:
: "Send" command problems with a file transfer b/w a PC and a UNIX
: server...
: 
: Q: What I'm currenty experiencing with the "Send" command is that it will
: not transfer a file to a capitialized UNIX subdirectory from a PC?  The
: send process works with non-capitialized directories thou.  I have
: experimented with the "Get" command from the capitalized UNIX
: subdirectory to a PC and this process works correcty.  Any thoughts would
: be welcomed!
: 
:       Examples:
: 
:  (1)  send c:\chad\chad.doc /Test/level1/chad.doc  -->  This process fails...
: 
Tell C-Kermit to "set file names literal" and "set receive pathnames on".
(make sure you have C-Kermit 5A(190) or later)

:  (2)  send c:\chad\chad.doc /test/level1/chad.doc   -->  This process works!!
: 
:  (3)  get /Test/level1/chad.doc c:\chad\chad.doc    -->  This process works!!
: 
Good.

: Side Notes:
: 
: What I also found is that Kermit will not read capital UNIX
: subdirectories and will try to recreate a that directory with the
: specified name given...
: 
set filenames literal.

- Frank

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Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
: 	MS-DOS Kermit has had server mode for a very long time. It is
: discussed in the documentation.
: 	When you mix words "background" and "MS-DOS" then we have an
: oxymoron. Perhaps you mean the MSK server patiently waits for requests,
: and if so the answer is yes it does. But MSK is not a TSR item.
: 	Joe D.

Joe, thanks for your response!

When I said "background", I meant that Kermit would be running as an
MS-DOS session under WINDOWS 3.11.

Now, I need to make a decision between implementing MS-DOS Kermit, or
UUPC.  UUPC's server (uucico) runs as a dedicated Windows session,
which probably means it won't bog the system down as much as MSK
will running as a DOS session.  However, from what I've read, it would
seem that Kermit may be more reliable (although my connection is a
direct null-modem cable).

If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions regarding UUPC vs. Kermit,
I would love to hear them.

Dave Clausen
clau@clark.net

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Has anyone out there come across a comms program called BLAST?

It supports sliding windows,  large packet size and goes like the name 
suggests.

I am trying to get hold of a copy.

	A secondary question,  is there a public domain kermit 
	version out there which goes p.d.q ??

Thanks for your help for what no doubt is a FAQ.

_________________________________

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <122535485wnr@helikon.demon.co.uk>,
Kevin J. G. Pugh <Gwyn@helikon.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: Has anyone out there come across a comms program called BLAST?
: It supports sliding windows,  large packet size and goes like the name 
: suggests.
: 
It's a commercial product with a proprietary protocol.

: 	A secondary question,  is there a public domain kermit 
: 	version out there which goes p.d.q ??
: 
Most Kermit software is NOT in the public domain.  It's protected by
copyright against (for example) people ftp'ing it from Columbia and then
selling it.

: Thanks for your help for what no doubt is a FAQ.
: 
The speed of Kermit transfers is indeed addressed in our FAQ.

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - General information about Kermit
  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html - FAQ

- Frank

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When using MS-Kermit 3.14 as a Telnet client over Novell LAN WorkPlace 5, 
how does one set the Telnet terminal type?  My batch file essentially 
contains the following commands:

   telapi -sn1 -st1
   tsu -o 128.171.44.54 k1
   tsu -a k1 1
   kermit set port bios1, connect

I figure that I need to insert the command "tsu -f <telnet-parameter> VT100",
but what's the correct keyword for <telnet-parameter>?  I've guessed at 
TERM, TERMTYPE, TERM-TYPE, TERMINAL, and TT with no luck.  

Our workaround is to set the terminal type after logging in to the UNIX 
host by issuing a "setenv TERM" command.  Since this is running in a lab 
setting, though, it will save a lot of grief to just fix the TSU/Kermit 
startup commands rather than having hundreds of users adopt the setenv 
workaround.  And it should be easy -- everything works fine if I run TSU 
in interactive mode to open and configure the Telnet session before running 
Kermit; I just need to know the equivalent batch-mode TSU commands.

Thanks for any help!

Michael Tom
Academic Computing Coordinator
Windward Community College

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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In article <44c736$6on@clarknet.clark.net>,
David Clausen <clau@clark.net> wrote:

>When I said "background", I meant that Kermit would be running as an
>MS-DOS session under WINDOWS 3.11.
>
>Now, I need to make a decision between implementing MS-DOS Kermit, or
>UUPC.  UUPC's server (uucico) runs as a dedicated Windows session,
>which probably means it won't bog the system down as much as MSK
>will running as a DOS session.  However, from what I've read, it would
>seem that Kermit may be more reliable (although my connection is a
>direct null-modem cable).
>
>If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions regarding UUPC vs. Kermit,
>I would love to hear them.

It will work to use either but if you care about performance you
should consider an ethernet connection if the machines are in
the same building.  You can run the 'samba' file server on
the unix host and Windows-for-Workgroups as a client and simply
have the PC create the files transparently on the host's drive
in the first place, or share the WFW drive and copy from the
unix host with smbclient which is sort of like ftp.   Or use
any of the usual tcp/ip tools to move files.  If you really
have to use a serial connection you could still use one of
the slip/ppp winsock interfaces like trumpet and use the
tcp/ip tools.  You can't use WFW/samba over trumpet, but you
could do it with Win95 and its slip/ppp connection.  The
advantage of going this route is that you can switch to a
network connection with no change except speed.  And with either
the slip or network link you get access to all the other
machines on the network, not just the one at the end of
the serial line, and you can use it from the other windows
sessions as well.  I think you can run the Windows version
of UUPC over tcp/ip on the winsock link (along with other
things).  Unfortunately you can't do that with kermit so if
you start that way you'll have to change to go with a
networked Windows 3.11 system.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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In <44jj44$ah4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu
(Frank da Cruz) writes: 
>
>In article <122535485wnr@helikon.demon.co.uk>,
>Kevin J. G. Pugh <Gwyn@helikon.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>: Has anyone out there come across a comms program called BLAST?
>: It supports sliding windows,  large packet size and goes like the
name 
>: suggests.
>: 
>It's a commercial product with a proprietary protocol.
>
>: 	A secondary question,  is there a public domain kermit 
>: 	version out there which goes p.d.q ??
>: 
>Most Kermit software is NOT in the public domain.  It's protected by
>copyright against (for example) people ftp'ing it from Columbia and
then
>selling it.
>
>: Thanks for your help for what no doubt is a FAQ.
>: 
>The speed of Kermit transfers is indeed addressed in our FAQ.
>
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - General information about Kermit
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html - FAQ
>
>- Frank

We tried Blast a long while back, It has versions for VAX/VMS, Xenix,
SCO, interactive, System V and a DOS version. The box says its from US
Robotics (communications research div.). It does lot of things but 
costs more than real kermit.

-Sol

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From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: Have rz v1.21 and sz v1.31 - Where can I find newer ones?
Organization: Omen Technology INC
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In article <44i5fg$1k4@ralph.vnet.net>, Milton Baucom <mbaucom@vnet.net> wrote:
>I'm using version 1.21 of rz and 1.31 of sz with Kermit 190.  Where
>can I find later versions that will still work with Kermit?
>
>Thanks

The most recent rz/sz that can work with Kermit are available in the
ZMODEM Developer's Collection.  Check www.omen.com for more info.

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX    caf@omen.COM             www.omen.com
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
 Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746    FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: Jim Clark <clark@uwinnipeg.ca>
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Hi

Several months ago I asked about how to get Kermit to push back to the
shell from which Kermit was called, rather than pushing to Dos.  Shell was
Wordperfect Office and solutions I received were specific to that shell. 
Is there any more general solution on the Kermit side; that is, can I
control in anyway within Kermit or in calling Kermit whether Push starts a
new command process or returns to the calling process?  Seems to me that
most people would want to return to calling shell rather than start a new
process (e.g., to switch back and forth between Kermit and other
programs).  For example, that is what <Alt><F4> does in Procomm. 

Thanks
Jim

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Kermit Push Command
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In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.950930132944.29387A-100000-100000-100000@io.UWinnipeg.ca>,
Jim Clark  <clark@UWinnipeg.ca> wrote:
>Hi
>
>Several months ago I asked about how to get Kermit to push back to the
>shell from which Kermit was called, rather than pushing to Dos.  Shell was
>Wordperfect Office and solutions I received were specific to that shell. 
>Is there any more general solution on the Kermit side; that is, can I
>control in anyway within Kermit or in calling Kermit whether Push starts a
>new command process or returns to the calling process?  Seems to me that
>most people would want to return to calling shell rather than start a new
>process (e.g., to switch back and forth between Kermit and other
>programs).  For example, that is what <Alt><F4> does in Procomm. 


Jim, 

the solution is extremely easy.  Respecify the COMSPEC environment variable
to point to the program you wish to use as your SHELL.

Then MS-DOS Kermit or any other for that matter which supports the PUSH 
command will start that process instead of the standard COMMAND.COM shell.

- Jeff
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): 
   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip 
   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: IBM ThinkPad & PCMCIA card & Kermit
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In article <bhuberDFL6n2.8tz@netcom.com>, bhuber@netcom.com (Bud Huber) writes:
> Have recently had to step into the laptop user community using the above 
> mentioned hardware. Windows based software seems to work okay with the 
> PCMCIA card, but DOS based Kermit is a no go. Any ideas?
> 
> The IBM is a 755CD, the PCMCIA card is a 28.8K fax/modem by Megahertz.
> 
> Symptoms is system lockup.
---------
	Probable cause is mismatch between pcmcia hardware and the drivers
for same; it's endemic to the scheme. I've installed Kermit on a Thinkpad
a couple of years ago with no trouble, but that's a whole computer generation
in the past.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit Push Command
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In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.950930132944.29387A-100000-100000-100000@io.UWinnipeg.ca>, Jim Clark <clark@UWinnipeg.ca> writes:
> Hi
> 
> Several months ago I asked about how to get Kermit to push back to the
> shell from which Kermit was called, rather than pushing to Dos.  Shell was
> Wordperfect Office and solutions I received were specific to that shell. 
> Is there any more general solution on the Kermit side; that is, can I
> control in anyway within Kermit or in calling Kermit whether Push starts a
> new command process or returns to the calling process?  Seems to me that
> most people would want to return to calling shell rather than start a new
> process (e.g., to switch back and forth between Kermit and other
> programs).  For example, that is what <Alt><F4> does in Procomm. 

	When Kermit "shells to DOS" it invokes the currently identified
command processor, named in DOS Environment line SHELL=. If the line does 
not exist (as is the default on DOS machines) it uses the COMSPEC= 
Environment line. The latter is normally COMSPEC=c:\dos\command.com. 
	Please see release doc file kermit.bwr, and search on occurences of
keyword SHELL. 
	Kermit has no way of knowing how it got invoked. Since DOS is not a 
multitasking o/s, as we all know, Kermit's only choice is to invoke that 
command processor in such a way that Kermit regains control when the
processor and its successors complete. The SHELL= line gives the user
control of which command process will be invoked as Kermit "shells" to it.
	Joe D.

> 
> Thanks
> Jim
> 
> ****************************************************************************
> James M. Clark                       (204) 786-9313
> Department of Psychology             (204) 786-1824 Fax
> University of Winnipeg               clark@uwinnipeg.ca
> Winnipeg, Manitoba  R3B 2E9          4L02A
> CANADA
> ****************************************************************************
> 

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: ?Warning:unknown hardware for port
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In article <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg>, onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> Our environment:  
> 
>      a) Netware 4.1, Lanworkgroup, Windows
>      b) Before running Windows, we run WGTCPIP & TELAPI
> 
> In the DOS environment, we do not load WGTCPIP & TELAPI. Kermit talks to
> our Vax and Dec Alpha via TCP/IP protocols - works like a charm.
> 
> In the Windows environment, we load WGTCPIP & TELAPI and the connection
> works fine. One problem that our users find very unnerving is the message
> 
>     ?Warning: unknown hardware for port: Using the Bios as BIOS1.
> 
> I read the docs, and the FAQ (section 22 I think). I did the definition
> of PORT etc, but no luck, I now get PORT as an error message.
> 
> Our MSKERMIT.INI is called from WIN-ALPHA.INI In the MSKERMIT.INI file,
> we have:
> 
>        Define PORT -
>           <snip>
>           <snip>       {following the FAQ}

	One wonders why, under Windows, you have these present at all.
Presumably (and here others can lend helpful insight) Windows will simulate
COM1..4 if it knows they exist and their port/IRQ values. Also, please
have a look at the Kermit release notes, if you haven't done so recently,
on the discussion of what is meant by COM1. It is NOT a particular port/IRQ
value pair.

> 
>        PORT 1
>        SET SPEED 9600
>        etc
> 
> Even when I put the definition of PORT after PORT 1, I still get the
> warning about an undefined port. 
> 
> Any ideas?

	Simply put, Kermit can't verify the serial port. Under Windows,
which simulates that hardware, it can mean something else is using the
port/IRQ at the same time. Do you have a real-mode TSR grabbing the
port? SLIP_PPP will do so, so will some mouse drivers. I am no expert
on Win 3.1x serial port mumbo jumbo in system.ini, but if yours is slightly
tangled then a trip to the Windows Resource Kit is a good suggestion.
        Joe D.

> Thanks
> 
> Robert
> 
> --
> +----------------------------------------------------------------+
> |  Robert Ong                           Systems Analyst          |
> |  Computer Services Department         onglc@technet.sg         |
> |  Singapore MRT Ltd                    (065)-331-1347           |
> +----------------------------------------------------------------+

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From: shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu (Tim Shoppa)
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Subject: Re: I need help with Kermit.
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In article <44j0lo$4rn@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca>, Duc Le  <duchle@bnr.ca> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>   I am trying to connect my PC, and SUN SPARCstation 5 thru serial ports, and
>using kermit for file transfer. The kermit version on the SUN is C-Kermit 5A,
>and the PC version is MS-Kermit (very old version). With the proper parameters
>set, I can't get it connect, and send/receive file.
>
>   Here are what I set: 
>   SUN                           PC
>   ---                           --
>   set line /dev/ttya            set port com2
>   set parity none               set parity none
>   set terminal bytesize 8
>   set speed 9600                set baud 9600
>
>   Here are my questions:
>
>a) Where can I get the lastest version of Kermit run on PC.

Anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory /kermit/archives,
file msvibm.zip.

>b) What I am missing? I have the serial cable directly connect the 2 computers.
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If I assume that "direct" means "not a null modem cable", then this is your
problem.  You need a null modem cable.

Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu)

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: help, Kermit wont work
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In article <44mcec$3nt@uwm.edu>, peterk@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Peter J Kleczka) writes:
> Hello :)
> 
> 	I just bought a new-used computer...same as my old one....on the
> old one I used to run Kermit.....the new one came with a copy of Comit.
> I can't get Kermit to run on the new machine.  What happens is it works
> fine until i press 'c' to connect....then I get the connect screen
> but I can't type any commands (e.g. atdt).  I know the phone line is
> pluged in because Comit works.  I've tried setting to diffrent ports
> but the only port Kermit accepts is port 1.  I've included part of
> the Kermit.ini and some settings that appear on Comit in this letter.
> Any advice would be appricated.  Thanks.
> 
> Please email me @ peterk@csd.uwm.edu
> Thanks,
> Pete
-----------------
Pete,
	At the very end of your message, shown below, is the key to your
puzzle. The serial port hardware is at port 0x3e8 and IRQ 5. Please do
read the release notes which are packaged with MS-DOS Kermit and discover
how serial ports are identified. IRQ 5 is not a conventional value at all,
and COM2 does NOT, repeat not, mean a specific hardware port either.
	The solution is to tell Kermit the parameters of your non-standard
serial port, via command SET COMx port irq   where the "x" is a digit 1..4.
It's in the manual.
	Joe D.
 
> 
> 
> comment  **  1200 - No Parity - COM1 **
> comment  ** for use on CSD4 Unix BSD 4.3 GNU Emacs **
> comment Kermit.Ini for V2.30 for Emacs
> comment 10/20/88
> 
> set terminal vt102      ;DEC vt102 terminal wmulation
> set port com2              ;serial port
> set speed 1200          ;PACX
> set parity none         ;needed for C-Kermit transfers, change to
> set receive Packet-length 900 ;
> set Default-disk b:     ;
> set send Packet-length  900 ;
> space for
>                         ;Sperry 1100 transfers
> 
> set warning on          ;warn if files will be overwritten
> set mode-line on        ;turn on status line at bottom of screen
> 
> ****************************************************************
> Comit settings
> 
> Port COM3 IRQ5 03E8
> 
> Init ATS0 = 0Q0v1x4&C1&D2
> 

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: help, Kermit wont work
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In article <44mcec$3nt@uwm.edu>, peterk@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Peter J Kleczka) writes:
> Hello :)
> 
> 	I just bought a new-used computer...same as my old one....on the
> old one I used to run Kermit.....the new one came with a copy of Comit.
> I can't get Kermit to run on the new machine.  What happens is it works
> fine until i press 'c' to connect....then I get the connect screen
> but I can't type any commands (e.g. atdt).  I know the phone line is
------------

	Making a followup on the matter, in case others have not taken
the opporunity to read KERMIT.BWR in the MSK distribution material. Below
is a clipping from that interesting file:
	Joe D.
----------

(6.2) HOW A PHYSICAL COMMUNICATION PORT IS ASSOCIATED WITH A DOS COMn DEVICE

DOS PCs support only two communication ports, COM1 and COM2, but have
provisions for two more, COM3 and COM4.  COM3 and COM4 are not well supported
in most types of PCs, as are COM1 and COM2 which rarely (by themselves) cause
any problems (note: this last phrase is becoming increasingly less true as PCs
are loaded up with additional devices such as CDROM drives, sound boards, etc).
This discussion considers only COM1-COM4.

The digit in the port name (like the "2" in COM2) is an index into an area in
memory that contains the address of the serial port hardware.  The PC's Basic
Input/Ouput System (BIOS) has four words starting at segment 40 (hexadecimal),
word 0, for the addresses of the first four COM ports.	Word 0 is for COM1,
word 2 (two bytes per word) for COM2, word 4 COM3, and word 6 COM4.  To view:

  C:\> debug	(start the debug program)
  -d 40:0   	(display segment 40)
  -q		(quit the debug program)

("C:\>" is the DOS prompt, "-" is the debug prompt.)  Here are the results
on a PS/2 with 3 COM ports:

  0040:0000  F8 03 F8 02 20 32 00 00-BC 03 00 00 00 00 60 03  .... 2........`.
	     ^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^
	     COM1  COM2	 COM3  COM4

The first line contains the COM port information (ignore the other lines, as
well as the characters on the right).  "F8 03" is the 2-byte COM1 address,
expressed in hexadecimal (base 16) with the low byte first. Thus the actual
COM1 address is 03F8 hex, expressed in Kermit commands as \x3f8.  The COM2
address is 02F8, the COM3 address is 3220, and (since there is no COM4) the
COM4 address is 0000.  That is how both DOS and the BIOS understand which
ports are defined and where to find them.

When your PC is powered up, the BIOS startup code checks for serial port
hardware (that is, a Universal Asynchronous Receiver/Transmitter, or UART) at
the two port addresses 03F8 and 02F8.  If it finds a UART at the first address
then that address is placed in word 40:0 and declared to be COM1.  Then the
BIOS tries the second address and if successful this address goes into the
first available word at that time, typically 40:2 as the address of COM2.
Thus if you remove a COM1 device then a previously COM2 device will appear in
the COM1 BIOS storage area as COM1 to DOS and Kermit.  What happens to the
other two words depends on the PC model and BIOS.  The IBM PS/2 BIOS fills in
all four words on startup, but most others handle only the first two because
that's how original PCs worked.

  So... just setting switches or jumpers on a serial port board or internal
  modem does NOT necessarily define the board to be a particular COM port.

So why do some communication programs work with COM3 and COM4 without any
special fiddling?  These programs ASSUME certain COM3 and COM4 addresses, even
when there are no entries in the BIOS communication-port area. Some of these
programs show you their assumptions in a menu (and might allow you to change
them), others do not.  The assumed values are usually as follows:

  Port	 Assumed Address (hexadecimal)
  COM1	      03F8
  COM2	      02F8
  COM3	      03E8
  COM4	      02E8

PS/2s use different addresses for COM3 and COM4 -- 3220 and 3228,
respectively.  Well-behaved communication software (like Kermit) uses these
addresses rather than the defaults listed above.  Ill-behaved software ignores
the segment-40 addresses and erroneously uses its own values, right or wrong.

Unchecked use of an assumed port address is DANGEROUS if the device is not
really where the software expects, especially if some other kind of device,
say a network adapter, is at the given address.  It can also produce unwanted
conflicts under Windows, OS/2, and DesqView, whose drivers often set the
port's segment-40 word to 0 when they want to use the port exclusively and
without interference, and then restore the real address when done, and similar
unwanted interference with Int 14H redirectors that allow serial-port
communication software to be used on network connections.

Unlike most other PC communication software, Kermit does NOT attempt to use a
communications port unless:

  (a) It finds its address in the BIOS comm-port area, segment 40, or:
  (b) You specify the address yourself.
AND:
  The device at the given address passes certain tests, in which registers
  must contain certain values that are legitimate for a UART.

In other words, KERMIT IS MORE CAREFUL than most other communication software,
because does not want to risk disrupting normal operation of your PC.

(6.3) SPECIFYING THE PORT ADDRESS

If you tell MS-DOS Kermit to SET PORT COMn (where n is 1, 2, 3, or 4), and
Kermit responds:

  Warning, no hardware for this serial port.
  This port will be operated through the BIOS as BIOSn

it means that Kermit did not find an address for the port in the BIOS area or
it did find one but the hardware at that address did not look like a UART.  If
the cause of the message is a missing address, you can tell MS-DOS Kermit the
address of the port by issuing the following command:

  SET COMn \xhhhh

where n is 1, 2, 3, or 4, and hhhh are four hexadecimal digits (0-9, A-F)
representing the 16-bit address.  This command not only informs Kermit of the
address, but also inserts the address into the BIOS so other programs can find
the port (if they follow the rules), and so you don't have to give this
command to Kermit again until after the next time you reboot, unless another
program removes it again.

After giving the SET COMn command, give a SET PORT COMn command for the same
port, e.g.:

  set com3 \x3e8   ; FIRST specify the address of COM3 
  set port com3	   ; THEN select COM3

How do you know what addresses to give?  If have purchased an internal modem
or an add-on serial port, the installation instructions should tell you.  You
have to make sure that the address that you have chosen agrees with the
address that Kermit will use.

Although it is not recommended that you guess at address values, sometimes it
is the only way (as often with inherited equipment), for which occasions here
is a list of commonly used addresses:

  Port	 Likely Addresses (hexadecimal)
  COM1	     03F8
  COM2	     02F8
  COM3	     03E8, 3220 (PS/2)
  COM4	     02E8, 3228 (PS/2), 02E0

Now let's look at the other cause for "This port will be operated through the
BIOS", namely that an address was found in segment 40, but the device at that
address does not appear to be a genuine serial port.  Possible explanations:

 1. The device is at a different address.  Check your device's configuration
    again, or your SET COMn command.

 2. Your device is indeed at the given address, but its registers do not
    contain values expected of a true PC serial port.  In that case, BIOS
    operation is the only alternative.

 3. Your device is at the given address, but there is a conflict with another
    device at that address or the machine's bus speed (not CPU speed) is set 
    so high that the hardware test gave confusing results.

When Kermit operates a port through the BIOS, rather than directly, it will be
MUCH slower and might not work at all because the BIOS requires the CD, CTS,
and DSR modem signals to be asserted by the device connected to the port (and
the CD signal is normally NOT asserted by a modem before it has made a
connection to another modem).  In that case, you must configure the device
(e.g. modem) to assert DSR, CTS, and CD always, or wire your modem cable to
fake these signals (e.g. by connecting CD and DSR together).

Assuming you have found the right address for your COM3 or COM4 port (or
nonstandard address for COM1 or COM2), and you want these addresses to be set
correctly for Kermit at all times, even if it doesn't read its initialization
file, you can put a command like the following in your AUTOEXEC.BAT file:

  set kermit=com3 \x3e8; com4 \x2e8;

(6.4) INTERRUPTS AND IRQS

  "I can send characters to the modem, but I never see any on my screen."

This complaint, also known as "can-talk-but-not-listen syndrome", usually
means that the communication device was found at the expected address, but
Kermit's idea of its interrupt is wrong.  What's an interrupt?

To achieve high-speed communication without impacting other applications,
Kermit reads characters from a serial device using "interrupts".  Whenever a
character arrives at the serial device, the device sends a signal, called an
interrupt, that can be "caught" by applications like Kermit, leaving the
application free to do other work in the meantime without having to constantly
look at the serial port to see if any characters have arrived (an operation
called "polling", which is used by some other communications programs).
Polling programs are not sensitive to interrupts being set improperly and
might therefore work with improperly-configured machines where Kermit will not
(until you give it the required info), but they also tend to take over the
entire computer.

In contrast to polling programs, Kermit is normally waiting for input from the
keyboard, so it's idle if you are not typing and no characters are arriving at
the communication port.  In multitasking environments like Windows or OS/2,
this gives other applications the largest possible share of the CPU.

When a character arrives at the port, an interrupt signals Kermit to wake up
from its keyboard-wait state and read from the port.  But Kermit needs to know
which device the interrupt came from, so it will not read from the wrong one.
The device is identified by an Interrupt Request (IRQ) number, a small number
like 3 or 4. The BIOS does not record the IRQ number used by a serial port
because the BIOS uses polling rather than interrupts.  The communications
software has to know which IRQ to use.  By convention from the original IBM
PC, COM1 uses IRQ 4 and COM2 uses IRQ 3. There is no standard for COM3 and
above, but certain conventions are normally followed:

  Port	 PS/2  Others
  COM3	 IRQ3	IRQ4
  COM4	 IRQ3	IRQ3

Certain serial port cards and internal modems allow themselves to be
configured with different IRQ numbers (such as 9), even on COM1 or COM2.
Check your device's installation instructions.

Some types of PCs (PS/2s, for example) allow sharing of IRQ numbers.  Each
application has its own interrupt service routine and each such routine is
built to "chain" interrupts properly (pass them along to other applications if
they arrived at the wrong place).  This works, for example, with Kermit on a
PS/2; you can run two copies of Kermit under Windows, one using COM2/IRQ3 and
the other using COM3/IRQ3 (i.e. two ports, same IRQ), both doing input and
output simultaneously with no confusion.  But on most types of PCs, IRQs can
NOT be shared, so each device must have a unique IRQ number. This caution
applies especially when you have a serial mouse on IRQ 3 or 4.

Once Kermit knows the COM port's address, it tests to see which IRQ number, 3
or 4, the device uses. This is a safe test and doesn't cause any modem
signaling or communication to take place.  The PC architecture has a limited
range of IRQ numbers available, and so (usually) there can not be a unique IRQ
number for each serial port when there are more than two, so in most cases no
more than two serial ports can be active at once.  If the IRQ test fails, a
default value is used, as listed above.  No error message is given in this
case, but "can-talk-but-not-listen syndrome" is a likely result.

Some add-on communication boards or internal modems are set up to use IRQ
numbers other than 3 or 4 to avoid conflicts with COM1 or COM2 and/or to allow
more than two COM ports to be active at once.  But this can be dangerous --
for example, IRQ 5 (which is often used for this purpose) is also used by the
hard disk controller on the PC/XT. IRQ 7 is often used by network boards.  For
this reason, Kermit does not automatically test any IRQ numbers other than 3
or 4, and does not use any other IRQ number unless you tell it to.

But it is sometimes necessary, particularly on ISA (Industry Standard
Architecture) bus machines (PC/ATs and compatibles) and earlier (such as PCs
and XTs) to use an IRQ other than 3 or 4, for example when when an internal
modem is installed as COM3 on IRQ4, and then use of COM1 prevents COM3 from
working, and vice versa.  This problem can often be solved by reconfiguring
the board to use an otherwise unused unique IRQ number.  Ideally this would be
a normally free IRQ such as 10 or 11, but unfortunately most communication
boards are not configurable for IRQs higher than 7.  Here is a brief, and
definitely not comprehensive, guide to the low IRQ numbers (decimal):

     2	Normally available, but some video boards use it to obey an obsolete
	standard for indicating vertical refresh.  Adjust video board jumpers
	to not do this.	 On 286's and above, IRQ 2 is also known as IRQ 9:
	same IRQ, alternate number.  Windows 3.0 had difficulty with devices
	using IRQ 2, but Windows 3.1 is better.

     3	Normally COM2 and COM4.	 PS/2's use IRQ 3 for all serial ports above
	COM1.  IRQ3 is also a favorite "factory default" of many local area
	network (LAN) adapters.

     4	Normally COM1 and informally COM3 (except on PS/2s).

     5	Secondary parallel port.  Parallel ports are rarely interrupt-driven
	(except for Novell RPRINTER users) so this IRQ becomes free if you
	unjumper it on the parallel port board.  LAN adapters are often placed
	on IRQ 5.  PC/XTs use IRQ 5 for the hard disk.  Careful with this one.

     6	Floppy disk drives. Leave it alone!

     7	Primary parallel port.	Remove as described for IRQ 5.	Be careful,
	LAN adapters are frequently placed here.

IRQs higher than 7 are not available on original PCs or PC/XTs.

     9	Alias for IRQ 2 on PC/AT and above.  Don't try to use this one
	as if it were a unique IRQ.

    10	Usually free.

    11	Usually free.

    12	Used by the IBM bus mouse, otherwise usually free.

    13	Math coprocessor errors are trapped here, otherwise frequently free.

    14	Used by hard disk on 286 and above.  Leave alone!

    15	Some SCSI controllers use this.	 Usually free.
	
If your communication board uses an IRQ other than 3 or 4 and you experience
"can talk but not listen" syndrome when using Kermit, simply tell Kermit the
device's IRQ number.  This is done in the SET COMn command, after the address:

  SET COMn <address> <irq>

for example:

  SET COM3 \x03e8 5

When you include a number (like 3, 4, 5, 6, or 7) after the port address
(separated by a space), Kermit skips its IRQ test and uses the IRQ number you
specified the next time you give a SET PORT command for that port.

  AVOID address and IRQ conflicts; these items MUST NOT overlap existing
  equipment. SERIOUS DAMAGE can result if, for example, the IRQ number you
  give is the same as the one used by your disk controller or network
  adapter.  Incorrect operation can result if the interrupt is in use by a
  less critical device, such as a mouse.

It is necessary to specify the IRQ number in either of these two situations:

  1. The communication device uses an IRQ number other than 3 or 4.

  2. Kermit's IRQ test interferes with Windows or a similar environment.

Check your PC's configuration carefully before specifying an IRQ number.
Before starting Kermit, you can use public domain or commercial utilities like
MAPMEM, Northgate QAPLUS, Quarterdeck MFT, or the MSD utility shipped with
Windows 3.1 to get an idea of which IRQ numbers are already in use (these
utilities are, of course, not foolproof -- for example, they can't tell what
IRQs are used by programs that are not presently loaded).  (NOTE: Run these
programs under DOS, not Windows, if possible, since Windows hides things.)

If, even after establishing the device's interrupt, Kermit still fails to
operate correctly, check whether:

  1. Some other device (such as a mouse or LAN adapter) is generating the 
     same interrupt.

  2. Some other software (such as a mouse or video driver) is catching the 
     same interrupt.

If you find a conflict, you'll have to resolve it: remove the offending device
driver or TSR from your CONFIG.SYS or AUTOEXEC.BAT file or turn it off
temporarily (e.g. with the MOUSE OFF command for certain mouse drivers) or
reconfigure one of the conflicting devices to use a different IRQ.

Example: A PC (not PS/2) is delivered with a serial mouse on COM1 and with
COM2 as a free serial port.  COM2 can be used with an external modem, but you
can't put an internal modem on COM3 because its IRQ conflicts with the mouse
and the COM4 address clashes with an 8514/A video adapter (such as the ATI
Ultra+).  Neither the mouse interrupt nor the video board address can be
changed.  So to install an internal modem, you must remove the serial mouse
and driver and, if you need a mouse, replace it with a bus mouse.
