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From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: C-KERMIT with ALL-IN-1 on ALPHA AXP
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I wrote:
>
>We are attempting to use C-KERMIT through ALL-IN-1 V3.1 on ALPHA AXP
>(VMS is 6.2).  This is (190) and we tried the approach specified in
>the CKVKER.BWR file, attributed to Dr. David Kelly.  I suspect that
>based on a VAX version of ALL-IN-1. 

I also tried to E-mail directly to Dr. Kelly, but the E-mail address
given in the file is no longer usable.

==================================================================
Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology Manager
                                                 Computer Services
piccard@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu                      Ohio University



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From: mbaucom@vnet.net (Milton Baucom)
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I'm using version 1.21 of rz and 1.31 of sz with Kermit 190.  Where
can I find later versions that will still work with Kermit?

Thanks
MAB
---------------------------------------------------------------
Milton A. Baucom                           | Hot Doughnuts Now!
mbaucom@vnet.net                           |    -- Krispy Kreme


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Hi,

Our environment:  

     a) Netware 4.1, Lanworkgroup, Windows
     b) Before running Windows, we run WGTCPIP & TELAPI

In the DOS environment, we do not load WGTCPIP & TELAPI. Kermit talks to
our Vax and Dec Alpha via TCP/IP protocols - works like a charm.

In the Windows environment, we load WGTCPIP & TELAPI and the connection
works fine. One problem that our users find very unnerving is the message

    ?Warning: unknown hardware for port: Using the Bios as BIOS1.

I read the docs, and the FAQ (section 22 I think). I did the definition
of PORT etc, but no luck, I now get PORT as an error message.

Our MSKERMIT.INI is called from WIN-ALPHA.INI In the MSKERMIT.INI file,
we have:

       Define PORT -
          <snip>
          <snip>       {following the FAQ}

       PORT 1
       SET SPEED 9600
       etc

Even when I put the definition of PORT after PORT 1, I still get the
warning about an undefined port. 

Any ideas?

Thanks

Robert

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From: Gary Gladney <gladney@columbia.edu>
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Subject: Who do I contact about getting a Site License
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Can someone tell who at Columbia.edu I would contact about getting a site 
license for Kermit (Windows 95) product.  I saw a news posting sometime ago
but I did not write down the information.

thanks 
gary gladney	gladney@stsci.edu


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <44pfhu$p9a@marvel.stsci.edu>, Gary Gladney  <gladney> wrote:
>Can someone tell who at Columbia.edu I would contact about getting a site 
>license for Kermit (Windows 95) product.  I saw a news posting sometime ago
>but I did not write down the information.
>
Site licensing information is in the Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/95.html

The email address for the Kermit project is kermit@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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From: Jose Kirkland <jose@bernard.pitzer.edu>
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Is it possible to place an if-then in the mscustom.ini, 
which would check a dos environmental variable, for ex, and 
perform a specific group of functions or not based upon 
that?

(purpose is mixed lanwp/non-lanwp env, want it to see if 
c:\net\bin dir exists on machine, if so connect one way, if 
not then normally... does this make sense?)

Thanks for any help,
Josefa Kirkland
Novell/PC spec
Pitzer College



ps-- alternatively, can kermit be told upon execution to 
use a specific .ini file... ie can I make separate .ini's 
for each environment and let the batch which runs kermit 
determine which to select?




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In article <44pgi6$por@jaws.cs.hmc.edu>,
Jose Kirkland  <jose@bernard.pitzer.edu> wrote:
: Is it possible to place an if-then in the mscustom.ini, 
: which would check a dos environmental variable, for ex, and 
: perform a specific group of functions or not based upon 
: that?
: 
Yes.  For example:

  if equal "\$(VARIABLENAME)" "blah" command...

: (purpose is mixed lanwp/non-lanwp env, want it to see if 
: c:\net\bin dir exists on machine, if so connect one way, if 
: not then normally... does this make sense?)
: 
  if directory c:\net\bin command...

: ps-- alternatively, can kermit be told upon execution to 
: use a specific .ini file... ie can I make separate .ini's 
: for each environment and let the batch which runs kermit 
: determine which to select?
: 
kermit -f name-of-init-file

or alternatively, within MSCUSTOM.INI, put IF's and GOTO's
based on the value of an environment variable.

- Frank

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From: fuzz@intex.dfw.net (Walt Buehring)
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I am considering the purchase of Kermit95 iff it is capable of
treating the PC's Alt key as a "meta" key (set the eight bit) for
Emacs.  That is, in the kermit window "Alt-a" sends 0xE1 down the
line, "Ctl-Alt-a" sends "0x81", and so forth.  And of course no
Alt-key would invoke menubar mnemonics.

The kermit web pages do not provide an answer - does anyone here know
if this is possible?

Thanks.

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From: murphy@panix.com (Roy Murphy)
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I have an unusual problem with Kermit on Linux. I recently moved my
Linux installation to another hard drive. I used tar to do the copying
to maintain the file permissions and links. Obviously I have messed
something up becuase Kermit will not work for any users. (It will work
under the root ID). I have checked that kermit is installed guid uucp
and /usr/spool/uucp is writable by group uucp. I even sued to uucp to
check that uucp can write the lock file.

The error messages are as follows:

/home/roy$ kermit
Error opening /dev/tty
congm: Permission denied
/usr/spool/uucp: permission denied
Sorry, access to lock denied: /dev/cua1
?Sorry, you must SET LINE first
C-Kermit 5a(188), 23 Nov 92, POSIX

TIA for any assistance.

--
Roy Murphy      \ "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence
murphy@panix.com \ over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled"
                  \ R.P. Feynman

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I am looking for the source code for DOS based kermit, any version.

Any help would be appreciated.

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From: Gary Gladney <gladney@columbia.edu>
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Can someone tell who at Columbia.edu I would contact about getting a site 
license for Kermit (Windows 95) product.  I saw a news posting sometime ago
but I did not write down the information.

thanks 
gary gladney	gladney@stsci.edu


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In article <44pfhu$p9a@marvel.stsci.edu>, Gary Gladney  <gladney> wrote:
>Can someone tell who at Columbia.edu I would contact about getting a site 
>license for Kermit (Windows 95) product.  I saw a news posting sometime ago
>but I did not write down the information.
>
The information is available on the Web at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

or you can send email to:

  kermit@columbia.edu

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <yyf91n25hx3.fsf@intex.dfw.net>,
Walt Buehring <fuzz@intex.dfw.net> wrote:
: I am considering the purchase of Kermit95 iff it is capable of
: treating the PC's Alt key as a "meta" key (set the eight bit) for
: Emacs.  That is, in the kermit window "Alt-a" sends 0xE1 down the
: line, "Ctl-Alt-a" sends "0x81", and so forth.  And of course no
: Alt-key would invoke menubar mnemonics.
: 
Kermit 95 comes with an EMACS.INI file that sets up all of the Meta
and Ctrl-Meta functions.

- Frank



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In article <44st03$l79@panix2.panix.com>, Roy Murphy <murphy@panix.com> wrote:
: I have an unusual problem with Kermit on Linux. I recently moved my
: Linux installation to another hard drive. I used tar to do the copying
: to maintain the file permissions and links. Obviously I have messed
: something up becuase Kermit will not work for any users. (It will work
: under the root ID). I have checked that kermit is installed guid uucp
: and /usr/spool/uucp is writable by group uucp. I even sued to uucp to
: check that uucp can write the lock file.
: 
: The error messages are as follows:
: 
: /home/roy$ kermit
: Error opening /dev/tty
: congm: Permission denied
:
Here you have to make sure /dev/tty is readable/writeable.

: /usr/spool/uucp: permission denied
: Sorry, access to lock denied: /dev/cua1
: ?Sorry, you must SET LINE first
: C-Kermit 5a(188), 23 Nov 92, POSIX
:
The current release of C-Kermit is 5A(190).  It includes a lot of
Linux-specific material that is not in 5A(188).  I'd suggest you obtain
it and start over.  You can use the standard, portable installation
method ("make linux" and then copy the various files to the desired
places) or you can also try the Debian Linux installation.  You can find
the Debian Linux C-Kermit package in kermit/linux on kermit.columbia.edu.

If you still have problems with the current release, send email about it
to kermit-support@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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Hi,

   I have built C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun Sparc-20 Solaris 2.4 machine. 
It runs fine but if I use it for dial-out it messes up the port monitor 
(Solaris getty-like process). Looking through the '.bwr' files  I saw 
this problem mentioned with a fix that didn't appeal to me too much. The 
fix involves killing off the port monitor and starting a new one every 
time you run Kermit. Aliasing kermit to a script that runs setuid root to 
reset the port...

	Does anyone have a fix for whatever Kermit is doing to the port 
monitor? The symptom is this: After completing a dial-out call with 
kermit the port monitor will not respond to incoming calls. The modem 
will still answer but the port monitor will not prompt for a login. 

This does not happen when you use tip for dialout. But tip is a little 
too hard core for some of our users :-) so I'm hoping for a kermit 
solution...

	Thanks, 

	Bjorn Eng
	Jet Propulsion Laboratory


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris?
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In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.951002143400.5139A-100000@toucan>,
Bjorn Eng  <Bjorn.T.Eng@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
: I have built C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun Sparc-20 Solaris 2.4 machine. 
: It runs fine but if I use it for dial-out it messes up the port monitor 
: (Solaris getty-like process). Looking through the '.bwr' files  I saw 
: this problem mentioned with a fix that didn't appeal to me too much. The 
: fix involves killing off the port monitor and starting a new one every 
: time you run Kermit. Aliasing kermit to a script that runs setuid root to 
: reset the port...
: 
: Does anyone have a fix for whatever Kermit is doing to the port 
: monitor?  
:
Kermit isn't doing anything to the port monitor.  Kermit is using the same
technique that it has used successfully for over a decade to access dialout
devices on more than 400 different UNIX platforms.  If Sun changes the rules
and requires some proprietary scheme for obtaining indulgences from their
"Port Monitor", then we'll be glad to include the code for this if it is not
proprietary and need not be licensed and can be redistributed and somebody
tells us what it is.

: This does not happen when you use tip for dialout.
:
Of course it doesn't -- Solaris Tip is specially coded by Sun for Solaris,
and you don't get source code to see how they handle the port monitor.

Kermit is coded to be portable.  It's not easy being portable, especially
now that every company has its own unique "open standard" for doing each
thing :-)

- Frank

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In article <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg>, onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes:

>> In the Windows environment, we load WGTCPIP & TELAPI and the connection
>> works fine. One problem that our users find very unnerving is the message
>> 
>>     ?Warning: unknown hardware for port: Using the Bios as BIOS1.
>> 

[. . .]
> port/IRQ at the same time. Do you have a real-mode TSR grabbing the
> port? SLIP_PPP will do so, so will some mouse drivers. I am no expert
> on Win 3.1x serial port mumbo jumbo in system.ini, but if yours is slightly
> tangled then a trip to the Windows Resource Kit is a good suggestion.
>         Joe D.

In one sense the following info doesn't help at all; in another sense it
may be some help to know this is a hard-to-track-down-problem that
exists in very simple/standard setups.

I routinely run Kermit on port 2 in one of several DOS VM's
under Windows 3.1.  I've seen the "unknown hardware" msg sporadically
and unrepeatably, most recently about 60 seconds ago.  All my attempts
to track this down have failed.  Kermit is the only comm software I
run.  The dos mouse driver is always loaded before windows and is
configured for COM1.  When so configured, it does not touch
COM2 (I tested this using a protected-mode utility which protects
the i/o port addresses and watches for attempts to access them).

I've seen the problem with two different I/O boards, everything standard
about them, standard irq's, standard port addresses, except that my
current card has 2 16550's instead of 2 8250's.

There's nothing "tangled" about my serial port set up.  The .ini
entries are just as they came off the windows installation disks.

My resolution of the problem is always the same--I exit Kermit and
reinvoke it.  Problem is always gone, and I may not see it again
for days.

No TCP/IP drivers or network drivers of any sort are loaded.  This
is a straight serial port to modem connection on my standard, clone
home machine.

The only memory-resident software loaded is standard DOS/WINDOWS
stuff:  HIMEM, EMM386, etc.

My latest example of this symptom is typical in its nonrepeatability:

I turned on the machine, intended to use Kermit for a couple of minutes,
and did so from DOS without bothering with windows.  I was then online
longer than expected and decided to exit Kermit, start windows, then
reinvoke Kermit (I can always do this without losing my connection).

I'd just read msgs in this news group.  I exited Kermit, started Windows,
created 3 dos vm's, entered the first created and invoked Kermit.
I got the unknown-hardware error.  I exited Kermit, but not the DOS VM,
reinvoked kermit, and everything was back to normal--I was still on line.

I can hear some readers thinking "Aha! I know what happened to him."
Yes, if this sort of thing routinely produced the error I could
guess what's causing the error, too.  But my point is that I don't
ordinarily get the error in that situation.  (And, I sometimes get
it when I've invoked Kermit only under windows, not from straight dos.)


To test whether I could repeat the error tonight, I did this:
I logged off the remote system, turned off my system, and repeated
the earlier series of events.  This time the error did not appear.
(FWIW: I have enough physical RAM that I don't need virtual memory;
so the problem isn't being caused by some specific sequence of page
faults that may vary when the user thinks nothing has changed.)

This has been my consistent experience with this problem over a period
of a couple of years.  I simply cannot repeat the error reliabily,
and I've had lots of experience tracking down bugs.

I've seen this same thing on systems at work, where the environment
is more complex than on my home machine (network connections are
involved at work).

None of this puts the fault at Kermit's feet.  I suspect there's
something flaky going on with Windows.  Kermit is the best thing
I've run under Windows.  I especially like it's ability to do fast
background transfers while I'm working in other DOS VM's.
Kermit is very well designed software.

Regards,
Larry Mayhew
mayhew@wkuvx1.wku.edu

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From: kjr@panix.com (Kurt Rosenhagen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: C-Kermit init-string?
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I'm using C-kermit version 5A on a Sparc 10/50 running SunOS4.1.3. In using
autodialing, I want to change the init string. In .kermrc file, I add:
"set dial init-string atq0m1".
When I do "dial system", "atq0m1" is echoed, followed shortly after on same
line by "No response from modem".  Without specifying init string, kermit's
default init string is issued and modem responds "OK".

When uploading or downloading, kermit displays "."'s as it's transferring
data. Is there anyway to interpret these as the percentage or amount of
data being transferred, or better yet an actual display of these values?




-- 
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From: rusty%@columbia.edu  (Rusty Haddock)
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Maybe I've missed something but there appears to be a "misfeature" about
the way the keycode in the 'set key' command is parsed in CKermit
5A(191) for at least the OS/2 version.   Under OS/2 I wanted to use the
Shift-PageUp and Shift-PageDn keys for scrolling through the screen
buffer.  Normally, I use the PageUp and PageDn keys but they're assigned
in the "Emacskey.ini" file, thusly I went with the Shifted keys.  To get
the keycodes I did:

	show key  <Return>
    Press key:
	[Press <S-PageUp>]
    Key code \841 => Undefined

So I tried:

	set key \841 

Bang!  As soon as I hit the <SPACE> after the \841 CKermit comes back
and says

	?Invalid: set key \841

Errr???   It just gave me that keycode.   Hmmm... at first I thought,
Oh, that's s'pose to be octal but on second thought realized that this
was Kermit and that number was really decimal.

Luckily there is a work around!  Convert the keycode to Hex and the
command is accepted.   hex(841) --> 0x349, so:

	set key \x349 \Kupscn

Same thing goes for the Shift-PageDown keycode (\849).  Converting
it to hex \x351 also works while the \849 doesn't.  <sigh>

While I'm in here I may as well ask for at least a quick explanation
and listing of the available \K functions (like \Kupscn) in the "Using
C-Kermit" book in the next edition.  Please?   Thanks for reading.

	-Rusty-
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Are there plans to add TCP connectivity to the Mac Kermit implementation?

Thanks,
    Pete.

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In article <44v0hp$djq@dsk92.itg.ti.com>, Rusty Haddock <rusty@ti.com> wrote:
>	?Invalid: set key \841

Clearly this is a bug, I'm not sure it is in the current build on 
kermit.columbia.edu.  But in the version you have it is a bug.


>While I'm in here I may as well ask for at least a quick explanation
>and listing of the available \K functions (like \Kupscn) in the "Using
>C-Kermit" book in the next edition.  Please?   Thanks for reading.

\Kupscn and \Kdnscn are used to manipulate the scrollback buffers.

See CKERMIT.INF.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): 
   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip 
   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

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Subject: Re: ?Warning:unknown hardware for port
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In article <1995Oct3.232036.1@netnews.wku.edu>, mayhew@wkuvx1.wku.edu writes:
> In article <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>> In article <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg>, onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes:
> 
>>> In the Windows environment, we load WGTCPIP & TELAPI and the connection
>>> works fine. One problem that our users find very unnerving is the message
>>> 
>>>     ?Warning: unknown hardware for port: Using the Bios as BIOS1.
>>> 
> 
> [. . .]
>> port/IRQ at the same time. Do you have a real-mode TSR grabbing the
>> port? SLIP_PPP will do so, so will some mouse drivers. I am no expert
>> on Win 3.1x serial port mumbo jumbo in system.ini, but if yours is slightly
>> tangled then a trip to the Windows Resource Kit is a good suggestion.
>>         Joe D.
> 
> In one sense the following info doesn't help at all; in another sense it
> may be some help to know this is a hard-to-track-down-problem that
> exists in very simple/standard setups.
> 
> I routinely run Kermit on port 2 in one of several DOS VM's
> under Windows 3.1.  I've seen the "unknown hardware" msg sporadically
> and unrepeatably, most recently about 60 seconds ago.  All my attempts
> to track this down have failed.  Kermit is the only comm software I
> run.  The dos mouse driver is always loaded before windows and is
> configured for COM1.  When so configured, it does not touch
> COM2 (I tested this using a protected-mode utility which protects
> the i/o port addresses and watches for attempts to access them).
> 
> I've seen the problem with two different I/O boards, everything standard
> about them, standard irq's, standard port addresses, except that my
> current card has 2 16550's instead of 2 8250's.
> 
> There's nothing "tangled" about my serial port set up.  The .ini
> entries are just as they came off the windows installation disks.
> 
> My resolution of the problem is always the same--I exit Kermit and
> reinvoke it.  Problem is always gone, and I may not see it again
> for days.
> 
> No TCP/IP drivers or network drivers of any sort are loaded.  This
> is a straight serial port to modem connection on my standard, clone
> home machine.
> 
> The only memory-resident software loaded is standard DOS/WINDOWS
> stuff:  HIMEM, EMM386, etc.
> 
> My latest example of this symptom is typical in its nonrepeatability:
> 
> I turned on the machine, intended to use Kermit for a couple of minutes,
> and did so from DOS without bothering with windows.  I was then online
> longer than expected and decided to exit Kermit, start windows, then
> reinvoke Kermit (I can always do this without losing my connection).
> 
> I'd just read msgs in this news group.  I exited Kermit, started Windows,
> created 3 dos vm's, entered the first created and invoked Kermit.
> I got the unknown-hardware error.  I exited Kermit, but not the DOS VM,
> reinvoked kermit, and everything was back to normal--I was still on line.
> 
> I can hear some readers thinking "Aha! I know what happened to him."
> Yes, if this sort of thing routinely produced the error I could
> guess what's causing the error, too.  But my point is that I don't
> ordinarily get the error in that situation.  (And, I sometimes get
> it when I've invoked Kermit only under windows, not from straight dos.)
> 
> 
> To test whether I could repeat the error tonight, I did this:
> I logged off the remote system, turned off my system, and repeated
> the earlier series of events.  This time the error did not appear.
> (FWIW: I have enough physical RAM that I don't need virtual memory;
> so the problem isn't being caused by some specific sequence of page
> faults that may vary when the user thinks nothing has changed.)
> 
> This has been my consistent experience with this problem over a period
> of a couple of years.  I simply cannot repeat the error reliabily,
> and I've had lots of experience tracking down bugs.
> 
> I've seen this same thing on systems at work, where the environment
> is more complex than on my home machine (network connections are
> involved at work).
> 
> None of this puts the fault at Kermit's feet.  I suspect there's
> something flaky going on with Windows.  Kermit is the best thing
> I've run under Windows.  I especially like it's ability to do fast
> background transfers while I'm working in other DOS VM's.
> Kermit is very well designed software.
> 
> Regards,
> Larry Mayhew
> mayhew@wkuvx1.wku.edu
----------
	There is another item in this discussion which can cause the effect.
Your mouse is on COM1. If the Kermit startup script(s) has(ve) a command
which causes a serial port to be opened for inspection, such as SET SPEED
or similar, then it could well be the default port at that time is COM1
rather than the port you will use later. Moving the mouse to COM2 may be
an easy permanent cure for use with Kermit and other programs, else edit
the script(s) to set the desired serial port before other commands get a
chance to probe the port.
	And yet more. Windows itself. Kermit looks at the status bits of
the presumed UART to see if they are rational for a UART. If Windows has
those messed up then we get the message. If Windows provides an incorrect
port address, the \03f8 thing, then clearly matters will fail too. There
is a final test for interrupts, the IRQ value, and it's there that matters
are sticky. If Windows messes up simple interrupt handling for the serial
port MSK will declare the port invalid. Handing of the interrupt controller
chip by Windows (it is simulated to apps such as Kermit) has improved over 
time in Windows so an older driver might produce flakey results. That's the
device=*vpicd line in system.ini, file windows\system\vpicda.386.
	Enough grasping at straws this morning.
	Joe D.

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From: rick@helix.nih.gov (Rick Troxel)
Subject: Re: ?Warning: unknown hardware for port
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   In article <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe
   Doupnik) writes:

   >>     ?Warning: unknown hardware for port: Using the Bios as BIOS1.

   > port/IRQ at the same time. Do you have a real-mode TSR grabbing the
   > port? SLIP_PPP will do so, so will some mouse drivers. I am no
   > expert on Win 3.1x serial port mumbo jumbo in system.ini, but if
   > yours is slightly tangled then a trip to the Windows Resource Kit
   > is a good suggestion.

I too have observed these symptoms, just as sporadically as reported
below, but in a straight DOS dialup context.

   I routinely run Kermit on port 2 in one of several DOS VM's
   under Windows 3.1.  I've seen the "unknown hardware" msg sporadically
   and unrepeatably, most recently about 60 seconds ago.  All my attempts
   to track this down have failed.  Kermit is the only comm software I
   run.  The dos mouse driver is always loaded before windows and is
   configured for COM1.  When so configured, it does not touch
   COM2 (I tested this using a protected-mode utility which protects
   the i/o port addresses and watches for attempts to access them).

I use a PS/2 mouse with Microsoft driver, often don't invoke win at all,
othewise similar.

   I've seen the problem with two different I/O boards, everything standard
   about them, standard irq's, standard port addresses, except that my
   current card has 2 16550's instead of 2 8250's.

For me it's persisted across 3 different PCs and at least a couple of
modems (probably all AT&T 9600 bps or faster).

   My resolution of the problem is always the same--I exit Kermit and
   reinvoke it.  Problem is always gone, and I may not see it again
   for days.

Here I have a suggestion for an easier workaround: For me it suffices
simply to escape back to the MS-Kermit prompt and issue

set port 1		(or 2 as appropriate),

then connect again and procede with my login.

   No TCP/IP drivers or network drivers of any sort are loaded.  This
   is a straight serial port to modem connection on my standard, clone
   home machine.

Same, except mine is a real PS/2.

   The only memory-resident software loaded is standard DOS/WINDOWS
   stuff:  HIMEM, EMM386, etc.

I use QEMM.

   My latest example of this symptom is typical in its nonrepeatability:
[snip]
   (FWIW: I have enough physical RAM that I don't need virtual memory;
   so the problem isn't being caused by some specific sequence of page
   faults that may vary when the user thinks nothing has changed.)

Same here (I think).

   This has been my consistent experience with this problem over a period
   of a couple of years.  I simply cannot repeat the error reliabily,
   and I've had lots of experience tracking down bugs.

Same here.  Another data point...

Regards,
--
Rick Troxel     Rick_Troxel@nih.gov     rick@helix.nih.gov     301/496-4823
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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     heart is worship, if it  is prompted  by the  highest motives and
     the will to do service to humanity.                 --Abdu'l-Baha

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: TCP for Mac Kermit?
Date: 5 Oct 1995 13:33:22 GMT
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In article <petej-0210952102400001@petej.charm.net>,
Peter M. Jansson <petej@clickvision.com> wrote:
>Are there plans to add TCP connectivity to the Mac Kermit implementation?
>
As you can see in the ckmker.bwr file, there are numerous plans for 
Mac Kermit.  Unfortunately, there is nobody to implement them.  For the
past five or six years, we have not had a programmer with both the time and
ability to "take charge" of Mac Kermit.  Several programmers have made
valuable contributions as one-shot deals.  Last month, a university actually
assigned one of its programmers to add Mac TCP support to Mac Kermit, but
before the work could be completed, the programmer took a new job.

If we had the funds to hire a Macintosh programmer, we would do it.  But
unfortunately, we don't, and perhaps even more unfortunately, hiring a
full-time employee to do this type of work is the only way it will ever get
done.  That's a change from the "old days".

- Frank

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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit init-string?
Date: 5 Oct 1995 09:46:58 -0400
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In article <44umns$pt4@panix2.panix.com>,
Kurt Rosenhagen <kjr@panix.com> wrote:
: I'm using C-kermit version 5A on a Sparc 10/50 running SunOS4.1.3. In using
: autodialing, I want to change the init string. In .kermrc file, I add:
: "set dial init-string atq0m1".
: When I do "dial system", "atq0m1" is echoed, followed shortly after on same
: line by "No response from modem".  Without specifying init string, kermit's
: default init string is issued and modem responds "OK".
: 
Try:

  set dial init-string atq0m1\13

: When uploading or downloading, kermit displays "."'s as it's transferring
: data. Is there anyway to interpret these as the percentage or amount of
: data being transferred, or better yet an actual display of these values?
: 
The current version is 5A(190).  In 5A(190), each dot signifies one K.
You also have two other file-transfer-display options.  One of them is a full-
screen curses affair, with all sorts of information continuously updated
including "percent done", "estimated time remaining", "characters per second",
and so on.

The complete UNIX C-Kermit package, including source code, initialization
files, installation instructions, documentation updates, hints and tips files,
etc, but NOT binary executables is available as follows:

anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives,
binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).  Uncompress,
untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then
give the appropriate "make" command, for example:

  make linux
  make solaris2x
  make hpux90

which should produce an executable called "wermit".  Try it out
and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location,
such as /usr/local/bin.  Read the ckuins.doc file for additional
installation instructions.

Binary executables for selected UNIX configurations are available
via anonymous from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin,
files ckuker.* (there are many of these) -- get the READ.ME file
from the same directory and read it first.  Examples:

  ckuker.rs6aix32c.3.2.4       - IBM RS/6000 AIX 3.2.4
  ckuker.rs6aix41c             - IBM RS/6000 AIX 4.1.x
  ckuker.irix60                - SGI IRIX 6.x
  ckuker.sco*                  - Various SCO UNIX / Xenix versions
  ckuker.solaris2xg.2.3        - Solaris 2.3 SPARC
  ckuker.solaris2xg.2.4-Intel  - Solaris 2.4 Intel
  ckuker.unixwarenetc          - UnixWare 

Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how
to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of
the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work.

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0.

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025-7721
    USA
    Voice: +1 212 854-3703
    Fax:   +1 212 663-8202
    Email: kermit@columbia.edu
    Web:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
  a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.
  Inquire about quantity discounts.

  You can also order direct from the publisher:

    +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada,
		       Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time)
    +1 617 928 2613   (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info)
    +44 1933 414000   (Rushden, England distribution centre for
		       UK & Europe)
    +44 1865 310366   (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept)
    +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ)
    +65 356-1968      (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore,
		       Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand)
    +27 (31) 2683111  (Durban office for South Africa)

- Frank

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Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris?
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Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>Bjorn Eng  <Bjorn.T.Eng@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>: I have built C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun Sparc-20 Solaris 2.4 machine. 
>: It runs fine but if I use it for dial-out it messes up the port monitor 

How does it mess it up? What are the symptoms?

>: (Solaris getty-like process). Looking through the '.bwr' files  I saw 
>: 
>: Does anyone have a fix for whatever Kermit is doing to the port 
>: monitor?  
>
>Kermit isn't doing anything to the port monitor.  Kermit is using the same
>technique that it has used successfully for over a decade to access dialout
>devices on more than 400 different UNIX platforms.  [...]

Kermit used, and is using, the same technique on more than 400 different
UNIX platforms? The same one? On all of them? Magic! :-) Pray tell, what
is that technique?

>If Sun changes the rules
>and requires some proprietary scheme for obtaining indulgences from their
>"Port Monitor", then we'll be glad to include the code for this if it is not
>proprietary and need not be licensed and can be redistributed and somebody
>tells us what it is.

I would expect that Sun is using the "normal" SVR4 thang for Solaris.
If the port is properly configured (with sacadm/pmadm/ttymon-specific or
whatever; use admintool if you can!), an appropriate lock in
/var/spool/locks should do the trick.

>: This does not happen when you use tip for dialout.
>:
>Of course it doesn't -- Solaris Tip is specially coded by Sun for Solaris,
>and you don't get source code to see how they handle the port monitor.

The command "truss" can do wonders in cases you don't have source code,
and are wondering what magic some command is doing. Many, if not most,
unknown interactions can be, eh, reverse-engineered using truss.

>Kermit is coded to be portable.  It's not easy being portable, especially
>now that every company has its own unique "open standard" for doing each
>thing :-)

Amen to that :-|


comp.unix.solaris added to newsgroups, and followups adjusted.

Paul Slootman
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paul@ahwau.ahold.nl (Paul Slootman) writes:

>Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>Bjorn Eng  <Bjorn.T.Eng@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>: I have built C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun Sparc-20 Solaris 2.4 machine. 
>>: It runs fine but if I use it for dial-out it messes up the port monitor 

>How does it mess it up? What are the symptoms?

The protmonitor listens for incoming calls.  For bidirectional ports,
the portmonitor will start failing to open the dial-in side of the port
when the dialout is started and will conclude that the port is broken
after a short period of time.

Bug id 1191317, this shoul dbe fixed with patch 101720-02 (2.3)
There seems to be no matching 2.4 patch.

There is no magic with the portmonitor involved when dialing out.
But sun does have split personality serial lines:

These two lines point to the same device:

crw-------   1 uucp     uucp      29,131072 Apr  3  1995 /dev/cua/a
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     sys       29,  0 Sep 11 13:45 /dev/term/a

On dialin, open on /dev/term/a will succeed.  For dialout
use /dev/cua/a (much like in SunOS 4).

This split personality only works if you configure your line for
hardware carrier detect.

Casper
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to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems.

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From: omer@actcom.co.il (Omer Joel)
Subject: Kermit scripts - How does it work ?
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I'm only a novice with kermit and I don't know how to use scripts .
can anyone help me ???

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I'm only a novice with kermit and I don't know how to use scripts .
can anyone help me ???
please answer me by e-mail :
omer@actcom.co.il

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Please advise - I need to run a copy concatenate in Ms-Kermit 3.14
and C-Kermit 5a(190) for OS/2. My script line for both looks like:

run copy file1 + file2 + file3 target

I have to shell to the OS to do it because I found that internal kermit
copy wouldn't work. The problem i get (but not on ALL the machines i
try) is that "file3" is not always concatenated, so the application that 
receives "target" fails. I have kludged round it by:

run copy file1 + file2 + file3 + file4 target

where target is a 0 byte file created by 
open write file4 / close write file. Messy, but i'd
like a fix for my problem..

Thanks in advance!
+-----------------------------------------------------+
+ Peter Garner AKA mildewh@easynet.co.uk
+ Mildew Hall BBS [os2] .. Alton's one and only BBS
+ running Warp


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Hello,

My manager is replacing my display pager with an alphanumeric one.
I've been using KERMIT to send numeric codes but I thought I 
remember seeing an example of an alphanumeric pager script.  Does 
anyone have it or know where an example would be?

Thanks in advance,

Joe Gill
GMIS, Inc.
E-mail: gilljb@gmis.com
WWW   : http://www.gmis.com/~gilljb


ning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1
> Unimplemented speed
> ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts
> 
> 	This is on a 486. On a Pentium box, I get this message only 
> *part* of the time. Huh?!? If I run Kermit in a DOS box, I get the error 
> message, leave Kermit for DOS, then run Kermit *again*, it correctly 
> detects the port. But not on the 486.
> 
> 	What's going on here? How can it be fixed?
> 
> 	-- John

	This happens to me too, however I just kill the DOS window and try
	again and it always works.

	Hope this helps.

	/Russ

-- 
Russ Forster, BC Systems, 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8
RForster@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA       Office: (604) 389-3186    Fax: (604) 389-3412

Disclaimer: The opinions and statements contained in this posting are the sole
responsibility of the author and have not in any way been reviewed or approved
by my employer or any network service.

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"Joseph B. Gill" <gilljb@gmis.com> wrote:
>Hello,

>My manager is replacing my display pager with an alphanumeric one.
>I've been using KERMIT to send numeric codes but I thought I 
>remember seeing an example of an alphanumeric pager script.  Does 
>anyone have it or know where an example would be?

I guess it would have been nice if I included the platform!

  OpenVMS
 

Thanks in advance,

Joe Gill
GMIS, Inc.
E-mail: gilljb@gmis.com
WWW   : http://www.gmis.com/~gilljb
>



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From: schoffstall@earth.medcolpa.edu
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Subject: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem
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	I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut 
down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a 
Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it 
executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message:

?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1
Unimplemented speed
?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts

	This is on a 486. On a Pentium box, I get this message only 
*part* of the time. Huh?!? If I run Kermit in a DOS box, I get the error 
message, leave Kermit for DOS, then run Kermit *again*, it correctly 
detects the port. But not on the 486.

	What's going on here? How can it be fixed?

	-- John

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In article <44sljg$5ot@uwm.edu>,
Dave Rasmussen <dave@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
: In one of our inservice labs we have mackermit (version unknown at
: the time of my writing this) on mac powerpc machines. They teach pine/pico
: on a unix host in this lab, and pico uses CTRL ^ to mark a region. But
: according to our mac expert they can't get mac kermit to transmit that
: character. Can anyone on this list recommend how to do this? Basically
: it'd be a CTRL SHIFT 6 to transmit a CTRL caret.
: 
I don't have a Mac handy at the moment, but in case Mac Kermit does not
send Ctrl-^ when you press the desired key combo, just go into the key
settings dialog and assign the appropriate octal code (\36) to the key
combo.

- Frank

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In article <4510a5$f9c@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM>,
Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer <Casper.Dik@Holland.Sun.COM> wrote:
: paul@ahwau.ahold.nl (Paul Slootman) writes:
: >Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: >>Bjorn Eng  <Bjorn.T.Eng@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
: >>: I have built C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun Sparc-20 Solaris 2.4 machine. 
: >>: It runs fine but if I use it for dial-out it messes up the port monitor 
: 
: >How does it mess it up? What are the symptoms?
: 
: The protmonitor listens for incoming calls.  For bidirectional ports,
: the portmonitor will start failing to open the dial-in side of the port
: when the dialout is started and will conclude that the port is broken
: after a short period of time.
: 
: Bug id 1191317, this shoul dbe fixed with patch 101720-02 (2.3)
: There seems to be no matching 2.4 patch.
: 
So you are saying there is a bug in Solaris 2.3 that causes the above
symptom, and that when this patch is applied, the problem goes away?
But that there is no way to fix it in Solaris 2.4?

Yet others are saying that this does not happen in tip or cu or whatever.
So evidently there is a way to code around the problem, but we do not
know what it is, because the sources for tip and cu are not open.

I do not have access to a Solaris system that has a dialout modem, so I
will need some assistance with this one.  I'm perfectly willing to include
any disgusting code that might be necessary to get this to work, even
different code for each version and each patch level of Solaris, but I
can't do it myself because I don't have a testbed available to me.

Remember, folks, UNIX is a fairly portable and standard development
environment except in certain areas.  The most notorious trouble spot,
from Kermit's point of view, is the handling of dialout devices:
what are they called, what are the permissions on them, what directory are
the lockfiles in, what are the permissions on that directory, what are the
lockfiles called, what is in the lockfiles, what are the permissions on
the lockfiles, and, worst of all, how to handle bidirectional lines.
As far as I know, no two vendors do it the same way.  If you are having
trouble in this area on your system, send me thorough and complete
documentation of the programming interface and techniques specified by
the vendor for doing this, and be prepared to test the results.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem
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In article <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu>,
 <schoffstall@earth.medcolpa.edu> wrote:
>I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut 
>down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a 
>Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it 
>executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message:
>
>?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1
>Unimplemented speed
>?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts
>
As Joe Doupnik never tires of explaining, Windows does not let Kermit at
the real port, but only at a poor simulation of it.

See the Kermit FAQ for hints on how to hammer Windows into submission.
Basically, just keep repeating yourself: "set port 1... I said SET PORT 1!
I SAID... SET PORT 1!!!"

Also, you should have better luck with Kermit 95, which is written
specifically for Windows 95.  It uses the Windows drivers and follows
Windows rules, thus keeping Windows happy.  It also makes TCP/IP connections
over Windows' built-in Winsock stack, which also makes Windows happy.
More info about Kermit 95 at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Looking for Alphanumeric script file on OpenVMS
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In article <44v9fq$b0b@wanda.pond.com>,
Joseph B. Gill <gilljb@gmis.com> wrote:
>"Joseph B. Gill" <gilljb@gmis.com> wrote:
>>My manager is replacing my display pager with an alphanumeric one.
>>I've been using KERMIT to send numeric codes but I thought I 
>>remember seeing an example of an alphanumeric pager script.  Does 
>>anyone have it or know where an example would be?
>
>I guess it would have been nice if I included the platform!
>
>  OpenVMS
> 
In the magazine, DEC Professional, columnist Kevin G. Barkes printed
a C-Kermit script for OpenVMS to dial an alphanumeric pager.  It was
in the February 1995 issue, pages 43-46.  You can make it as fancy as you
want, but basically there's nothing to it:

 1. Set up the call.

 2. Make sure that DIAL succeeds (Alpha pagers, unlike numeric pagers,
    will send carrier back).

 3. Send the text.  Use OUTPUT or TRANSMIT for this.

 4. Hang up.

Some alpha pagers use a protocol with framing, checksums, message numbers,
etc.  One such protocol is called TAP.  You can do this sort of thing in
Kermit script language too, using INPUT and OUTPUT together with Kermit's
built-in string, logical, and arithmetic functions.  Just obtain the protocol
specification from your pager service provider and start coding.  Post
examples here for others to see.

For calling numeric pagers, see the item in the Kermit FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit scripts - How does it work ?
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In article <DFyJ3q.1B2@actcom.co.il>, Omer Joel <omer@actcom.co.il> wrote:
>I'm only a novice with kermit and I don't know how to use scripts .
>can anyone help me ???
>
The Kermit script language is a programming language, similar to C or
BASIC.  As with other programming languages, you'll need a manual.  For
MS-DOS Kermit (for DOS and Windows 3.x), the manual is:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn
  on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada,
		       Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time)
    +1 617 928 2613   (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info)
    +44 1933 414000   (Rushden, England distribution centre for
		       UK & Europe)
    +44 1865 310366   (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept)
    +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ)
    +65 356-1968      (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore,
		       Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand)
    +27 031-294247    (Durban office for South Africa)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany
    (1991), 414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for
    the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including
    German-language help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price:
    DM 69,00.  ISBN 3-88229-006-4.  Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG,
    Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.  Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0,
    Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29.

  And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer
    & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.  Packaged with version 3.11 of
    MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch
    diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.
    Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles.
    Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71.

The French version is also available from Columbia University: $36.95.

For C-Kermit (OS/2, UNIX, VMS, etc) the manual is:

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025-7721
    USA
    Telephone: +1 (212) 854-3703
    Fax:       +1 (212) 663-8202

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada,
  and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or
  Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add US $35 bank fee for checks
  not drawn on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales
  tax.  Inquire about quantity discounts.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada,
		       Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time)
    +1 617 928 2613   (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info)
    +44 1933 414000   (Rushden, England distribution centre for
		       UK & Europe)
    +44 1865 310366   (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept)
    +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ)
    +65 356-1968      (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore,
		       Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand)
    +27 031-294247    (Durban office for South Africa)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und
    Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).
    ISBN 3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price: DM 88,00.  
    Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.
    Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem
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In article <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu>, schoffstall@earth.medcolpa.edu writes:
> 	I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut 
> down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a 
> Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it 
> executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message:
> 
> ?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1
> Unimplemented speed
> ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts
> 
> 	This is on a 486. On a Pentium box, I get this message only 
> *part* of the time. Huh?!? If I run Kermit in a DOS box, I get the error 
> message, leave Kermit for DOS, then run Kermit *again*, it correctly 
> detects the port. But not on the 486.
> 
> 	What's going on here? How can it be fixed?
---------------
	We don't know.
	Call Microsoft Tech Support and/or dig deeply into the Resource
Kit.

	That said, let me add a couple of comments. You may want to tell
Windows to not devote the serial port to its own apps, get its address
stated correctly, but leave it free. If you have other comms gear looking
for that port, say a FAX program or MS' RAS material, then expect trouble.
	You might also want to run DEBUG.COM within a DOS box and display
what's in segment 40h, just as we explain in the MSK release notes. If the 
first two bytes of 40:0h are empty (zeros) then Windows has usurped the port
and that's that; try Control Panel variations. If not then they should be the
same value as used elsewhere, such as \03f8 (two bytes together).
	Remember that Windows virtualizes (fancy for takes over the real
and provides a fake substitute) serial port hardware, and failures to
behave normally are results of the emulation by Windows.
        Joe D.

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From: kjr@panix.com (Kurt Rosenhagen)
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Thanks for the  help regarding terminating init string and file-transfer
display options. (And thanks to other replies by email).

I'll definitely take your suggestion to order the manual. The last time I'd
looked at kermit, there was no FAQ, and I didn't know anyone who was
familiar with the package; so we stopped using it. This time around, I'm
very happy with the results. Help from the FAQ and this newsgroup made the
difference.

One minor point that bothers me. When I'm transferring files, issuing send
and receive on both the local and remote system seems redundant; both are
unix sytems, always. Is it possible to eliminate maybe with macros or
scripts? If it's covered in the manual, I'll look it up when I receive it.

Thanks again.

-- 
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| Name:  Kurt Rosenhagen         Email: kjr@panix.com              |
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From: Casper.Dik@holland.sun.com (Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer)
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>So you are saying there is a bug in Solaris 2.3 that causes the above
>symptom, and that when this patch is applied, the problem goes away?
>But that there is no way to fix it in Solaris 2.4?

Well, there is: use patch T102562-01, but that patch hasn't been released
yet.  Patches aren't usually released to the general public
until there's enough demand.

>Yet others are saying that this does not happen in tip or cu or whatever.
>So evidently there is a way to code around the problem, but we do not
>know what it is, because the sources for tip and cu are not open.

The bug report 1191317 says that this does happen with tip.

I've checked tip source and it doesn't do anything special.
It opens the port, does a ioctl setflags with XCLUDE and HUPCL and
that's all (and it uucp locks the port).

Casper
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Expressed in this posting are my opinions.  They are in no way related
to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems.

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From: eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Real Fix for Kermit on Solaris?
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It's not just kermit: the ttymon problem also breaks some other software,
some from Sun, some from other vendors.  The simplest workaround is to
not allow bidirectional connections, and use the modem only for dialout.
I don't know of any way to change kermit to work around the problem.

While we're on the subject of Solaris and Kermit, when I upgraded to a
host from SunOS 4.1.3U1 (aka Solaris 1.1.1) to SunOS 4.1.4 (aka Solaris
1.1.2), outgoing kermit stopped working.  This is C-Kermit 5A(190), 4
Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD).  kermit dials out OK, but the instant the
modems finish handshaking, kermit reports `Communications disconnect
(Back at twin)' and the modem hangs up.  Rebuilding kermit from scratch
didn't help.  I haven't had time to look into it; we use tty Kermit
only in emergencies these days.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem
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In article <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu>,
>  <schoffstall@earth.medcolpa.edu> wrote:
>>I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut 
>>down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a 
>>Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it 
>>executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message:
>>
>>?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1
>>Unimplemented speed
>>?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts
-----------
	I have a suggestion for those afflicted with the above message.
Open the Windows Control Panel, choose Ports, tell Windows the IRQ and
port address of your COMx ports, restart Windows. Brave souls may wish
to further configure Windows to cope with 16550A UARTs, according to
whatever MS Windows instructions you happen to have.
	I ran quick tests of MSK under WFW 3.11 here, and using serial
ports was clean every time. I had done the above.
	The thought it Windows doesn't look at the hardware until forced,
and then on the first try it gets matters messed up. Thus repeated tries
with MSK to finally yield success is another way of telling Windows to do
the job properly. Configuring Windows should remove this forcing step.
	Joe D.

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From: David Maw <maw@gaul.csd.uwo.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: tech info on kermit?
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:00:32 -0400 (EDT)
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I am looking for techical papers/docco on how kermit works.

I have to write a paper on how Kermit handles errors, and have had little 
luck finding information on WWW and Gopher.

If you can point me in the general direction please post to this group or 
email me at: maw@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca

Thank you,
----
David Maw


-----------------
	"Errors" cover many sins and the responses vary depending on the
particular transgression involved. The formal statement of the Kermit
protocol is the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, 
paperbound for under US$40, ISBN 09-32276-88-6. Within that framework each 
implementation has room to select whether to respond to some conditions or 
be patient, and how strongly to complain (sliding windows heurstics).
	A general soft rule in networking is damaged packets are not packets
and are disregarded entirely as if they never occurred. Timers then step in
to recover from outages. Thus damaged packets become empty time on the wire.
Kermit is an ACK/NAK protocol and the intelligent and selective use of NAKs
can shorten waiting times (NAKs are timeout preventers). Another soft rule
of protocol stacks is there is room for local inventiveness on each end as
that end selects what to do when things are not in good shape. These are
heuristics that obey the formal rules and keep state machines sane, but
generally try to shorten recovery sequences. A last soft rule of stacks is
never try to outguess or even "help" the other side, because this side does
not have all the information and thus may well make matters worse for a while.
I implement this last soft rule as barbarian style actions in MS-DOS Kermit:
do it successfully or everything fails and we could care less why it failed.
	Joe D.

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From: Bobbie R.  <70751.3204@CompuServe.COM>
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I have windows 3.1 and old kermit release from Texas Womens 
University and no working knowledge. When I get back from logoff LO 
--- how do I terminate the session within windows to return to 
windows menu?  Or how and where can I find a copy of the user's 
manual online form CIM. Thanks for the help in advance.

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When starting file transfer using kermit 5A(190), kermit sometimes selects
EVEN parity.  This cannot be overidden by specifying a parity of NONE and the
transfer obviously fails because the other end is not running EVEN parity.

I can overcome this by setting parity to EVEN at both ends and everything works
fine - but I would rather not.

The problem only occurs when communicating to a particular OS
 -  ICL DRS NX running on an Intel machine.

The kermit manual states that automatic parity detection will occur but in this
case it is detecting incorrectly.


Any ideas ?


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode
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In article <1995Oct5.224941.9334@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>, jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) writes:
> Sob story and plea for guidance from gurus:
> 
> A few months ago, I replaced a 2400 baud modem in my 386 PC with a
> 14.4K Zoom fax modem.  The old reliable version of MSDOS Kermit (2.30)
> I used to run didn't seem to know how to talk to it at COM4 (more on
> that in a second), so I grabbed a recent version (3.14 dated 1/95) off
> the net.  That worked fine, and I setup a script to automatically dial
> up a UNIX machine, send a file, logout, and hangup.
> 
> Now, with no (intentional, anyway) changes to the PC, Kermit no longer
> works properly: it takes eons (well, 30-45 seconds) to start up, and
> generally runs veerrrrrryyyy slllloowwwwwwlllly. Even with the default
> .INI files.  Kerlite also runs at OJTrial speed (i.e. takes forever).
> 
> Another comm program that came with the new modem ("Comit") runs at
> normal speed, but it doesn't support scripting, it's VT100 emulator is
> buggy, and when you transmit a file it converts CR/LF into two newlines :P
> 
> I thought perhaps a kermit file got corrupted, so I grabbed a fresh
> copy, and got v3.14 dated 5/95. It has the same slowness problem right
> out of the box.
> 
> I reinstalled Kermit v2.30, R'dTFM and figured out how to get it to use
> COM4. It runs at full speed. The scripting features are limited
> compared to v3.14, but I converted my dialup/mailing script. It gets as
> far as establishing the modem connection to the remote site, then
> aborts to DOS (with the phone connection still active) with "Divide
> error".  (At this point, the script is doing an "INPUT" command waiting
> for the "login:" prompt).
> 
> (excuse me one second...)
> 
>    aaaAAAAAAAAARGRRRGRGRGRGGRGRGRHHHHH!!&*&^&*&@#$@#$!!!!
> 
> (okay, I'm back)

	Sorry, that's copyrighted by Mr. Schultz, on behalf of Charlie Brown.
Look & feel, you know.
 
> If you're still with me, 
> - anyone have a clue what this slowness problem is?

	How about clueing us in on what you mean by COM4 and whether any
other device shares the IRQ and/or port address (in which case you'd deceased).
Still have a FAX driver hanging onto the modem???
	MSK runs very happily at nice high speeds, so the signs are that 
something is NOT configured sensibly on your machine, but we can't begin to 
guess what with the information at hand.
	Then, you might help us some by indicating whether you ran the
install material for the current Kermit. The reason for asking is mainly
to know if you are using a modem script and the script does not match
your modem. Got flow control set properly on the PC and in the modem?

> - how about why v2.30 fails with "divide error"?

	Don't bother asking. Stay with the code written for high speed
machines.
	Joe D.

> - or a recommendation for a simple comm program that will let
> 	me script a login session?
> 
> Thanks for any technical advice or moral support.
> ---
> "How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782"               jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov
> Jack Morrison/Jet Propulsion Lab/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109


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    I'm not sure if the problems you're having with Kermit running on
    your system are a result of this, but I think I can tell you with
    nearly 100% assurance that you got stuck with an RPI modem.  What's
    RPI?  A complete answer is to be found in the Kermit FAQ, but
    briefly it means that your modem does not have data compression or
    error correction built in, but instead depends on having those
    features supplied by the software through a proprietary interface
    that must be licensed from Rockwell.  If the box said it has those
    features (usually says "in software"), that's the Comit that came
    with it.  Zoom may now offer 14.4 modems with EC and compression in
    hardware, but they were known for selling cheap RPI modems not long
    ago.  You can know for sure-- ATI3 or I4 should return "Rockwell
    RPI" if it is one.  Return it for refund or exchange if you can.

                                        Jeff

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From: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison)
Subject: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode
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Sob story and plea for guidance from gurus:

A few months ago, I replaced a 2400 baud modem in my 386 PC with a
14.4K Zoom fax modem.  The old reliable version of MSDOS Kermit (2.30)
I used to run didn't seem to know how to talk to it at COM4 (more on
that in a second), so I grabbed a recent version (3.14 dated 1/95) off
the net.  That worked fine, and I setup a script to automatically dial
up a UNIX machine, send a file, logout, and hangup.

Now, with no (intentional, anyway) changes to the PC, Kermit no longer
works properly: it takes eons (well, 30-45 seconds) to start up, and
generally runs veerrrrrryyyy slllloowwwwwwlllly. Even with the default
.INI files.  Kerlite also runs at OJTrial speed (i.e. takes forever).

Another comm program that came with the new modem ("Comit") runs at
normal speed, but it doesn't support scripting, it's VT100 emulator is
buggy, and when you transmit a file it converts CR/LF into two newlines :P

I thought perhaps a kermit file got corrupted, so I grabbed a fresh
copy, and got v3.14 dated 5/95. It has the same slowness problem right
out of the box.

I reinstalled Kermit v2.30, R'dTFM and figured out how to get it to use
COM4. It runs at full speed. The scripting features are limited
compared to v3.14, but I converted my dialup/mailing script. It gets as
far as establishing the modem connection to the remote site, then
aborts to DOS (with the phone connection still active) with "Divide
error".  (At this point, the script is doing an "INPUT" command waiting
for the "login:" prompt).

(excuse me one second...)

   aaaAAAAAAAAARGRRRGRGRGRGGRGRGRHHHHH!!&*&^&*&@#$@#$!!!!

(okay, I'm back)

If you're still with me, 
- anyone have a clue what this slowness problem is?
- how about why v2.30 fails with "divide error"?
- or a recommendation for a simple comm program that will let
	me script a login session?

Thanks for any technical advice or moral support.
---
"How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782"               jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov
Jack Morrison/Jet Propulsion Lab/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109



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In article <1995Oct7.144551.63053@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
|> In article <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
|> > In article <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu>,
|> >  <schoffstall@earth.medcolpa.edu> wrote:
|> >>I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut 
|> >>down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a 
|> >>Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it 
|> >>executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message:
|> >>
|> >>?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1
|> >>Unimplemented speed
|> >>?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts
|> -----------
|> 	I have a suggestion for those afflicted with the above message.
|> Open the Windows Control Panel, choose Ports, tell Windows the IRQ and
|> port address of your COMx ports, restart Windows. Brave souls may wish
|> to further configure Windows to cope with 16550A UARTs, according to
|> whatever MS Windows instructions you happen to have.
|> 	I ran quick tests of MSK under WFW 3.11 here, and using serial
|> ports was clean every time. I had done the above.
... snip ...

Joe may be on to something here.  I use Windows for Workgroups 3.11 and
I have an external modem on COM2.  I find that I can consistently force
the unknown hardware warning when I:
  - turn the modem off
  - start Windows
  - turn the modem on
  - start Kermit
There may be other scenarios that cause the error.  I don't know because
I put a macro in my mscustom.ini file that tests for the failure and
sleeps 2 seconds and reissues the set port command.  On my PC this always
clears the error so I've stopped wondering about it.

However, I followed Joe's suggestion and used the Windows Control Panel
Ports item to explicitly set the COM1 and COM2 values in my system.ini.
Before doing this, the file had no values for these two ports but did
have entries for COM3 and COM4 (which do not in fact exist).  After
exiting and restarting Windows I still got the unknown hardware warning.
I then exited Windows and edited system.ini to delete the bogus entries
for COM3 and COM4.  Rerunning the test described above I did not get the
warning.

I'm not ready to claim I'll never see the error again but others may
find my experiment useful.  I don't know how the COM3/COM4 entries got
into my system.ini file.  It is possible I inadvertantly created them
demonstrating the Control Panel to someone.

As a final test, I exited Windows, deleted the COM1/COM2 lines in
system.ini, and reran the power modem off, start Windows, power modem
on, start Kermit experiment.  This again produced the unknown hardware
warning.  So for my PC and WfW 3.11 it looks like Joe is right.  When
my system.ini file accurately describes my real COM ports I do not get
the unknown hardware warning.
-- 
 
 Mike Smith                                  mike@ccs.queensu.ca
 Queen's University                          Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA
 Computing and Communications Services       (613) 545-2024

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From: huntercr@cs.purdue.edu (Charles Randolph Hunter)
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I have Ckermit 1.91 for OS/2 and after more than a month of trying to 
configure it properly, it still is a terrible hog of system time when 
downloading I have a 486dx2-80 with 16MB of RAM so I know it's not my 
motherboard.

I was thinking that it might be because my com ports are not 16550's
and I am connecting to an external DOV unit at 19200.
I have been experimenting with my system settings and get peak performance at
about 1835 CPS on a ZIP file.I have set priority to normal,  I have 
"set rec pause n " to some number n and 
it seems to help about %10 or so, but I still have almost my entire system
taken down by C-kermit. I notice that the system is not lagged at first
when the CPS rates are low ( 1200-1500 ), but even if I lower the buad rate, 
system is still brought to its knees.

Something a little peculiar is that anything that is in memory before I
start the download  will operate fine, as long as it does not access the disk!

Does anyone have any ideas, tips,.. anything?

	Please email responses and/or post for others if you like.
			Thanks!

			-- Charles Hunter


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From: md@goodnet.com (Mike Denton)
Subject: How to Get Free Cable Premium TV .. LEGIT
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      First I want to say I am sorry that this has nothing
to do with the topic of this group. You may see this
message in other newsgroups, the reason is I am subscribed
to those too so please don't flame me. I have been posting
and reading to this group for a while. I just wanted to
let you people out know there is a way to get Cable TV for
FREE. I recieve this letter in the mail from a friend
that had told me it works. I gave this to one of my friends
and he had free cable in his house within 20 mins. I have not
tried this method yet but may soon try if my cable goes up in
price. If anyone would like a copy send the following to the 
address below.

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Suite 102-289
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Enclose in the envelope:

Send...

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 inside a sheet of carbon paper or construction paper, 
 and send a *self-addressed*,*stamped* envelope to the
 address above.


Thanxs,
Just think if you pay 30$ + a month. 1$ will save
you 359 + dollars a year.

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From: stefank@panix.com (Stefan Kozlowski)
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Subject: Kermit 3.14 (TYelnet) with Win95
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Has anyone managed to get Kermit 3.14 to run with the built in TCP/IP 
stack on Win95? I want to use Kermit as my telnet client....I need my 
emacs kbd mappings. 

When I have tried, my mscustom.ini loads mormally, the system pauses and 
then I get a message claiming that Kermit could not talk to my default 
gateway.

Any help or pointers to help would be greatly appreciated. (I already 
know about Kermit95 and may go this way if I have to.)

Thanks in advance.

--Stefan


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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode
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In article 63072@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>[I wrote:]
>> Now, with no (intentional, anyway) changes to the PC, Kermit no longer
>> works properly: it takes eons (well, 30-45 seconds) to start up, and
>> generally runs veerrrrrryyyy slllloowwwwwwlllly.
>> ...
>> - anyone have a clue what this slowness problem is?

>	How about clueing us in on what you mean by COM4 and whether any
>other device shares the IRQ and/or port address (in which case you'd deceased).
>Still have a FAX driver hanging onto the modem???

COM4 being 0x2E0/IRQ 3, if memory serves. No FAX or other drivers loaded.

>	MSK runs very happily at nice high speeds, so the signs are that 
>something is NOT configured sensibly on your machine, but we can't begin to 
>guess what with the information at hand.

Reasonable, except that no other programs show this problem. And an
absolute bare-bones DOS boot (floppy with MSDOS 5.0, no config.sys and
no autoexec.bat) made no difference.

>	Then, you might help us some by indicating whether you ran the
>install material for the current Kermit. The reason for asking is mainly
>to know if you are using a modem script and the script does not match
>your modem.

It's slow even before I start talking to the modem - heck, before I even tell
it which com port to use. I can do a "DIR" command from the Kermit prompt
and watch one line come out every few seconds.

>> - or a recommendation for a simple comm program that will let
>> 	me script a login session?

I found one - dug out a copy of Procomm that came with my old 2400 modem.
It runs at full speed, talks to the modem at COM4 without arm-twisting,
and has a straightforward scripting language. I feel better now.

But thanks for your suggestions. If I happen to figure out what stupid
thing I was doing wrong, I'll post a confession.
---
"How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782"               jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov
Jack Morrison/Jet Propulsion Lab/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109



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From: gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord)
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Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated
when a particular string is received and ended when another string
is received.  In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal
gets routed directly to the printer.  Can Kermit (esp either MSK or
OS/2) do this?  And if so, what is the command/initialization string?

Many thanks.
Clark

--
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cgaylord@vt.edu
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Subject: Control chars to prefix for rlogin?
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Forgive me if the following is not too clear.  I'm having trouble
figuring out how to ask.

I'm using rlogin to connect from my Unix shell account to a shell
account on another ISP (I recall reading in this group that rlogin is
better for Kermit file transfers than telnet).  I have MS-Kermit 3.14
(latest patch level) on my PC, and C-Kermit 5A(190) on both my account
and the remote host I'm rlogging into.  My account runs on SunOS
4.1.3U, the remote one on MIPS-DEC-Ultrix 4.3.

For file transfers between my PC and my account, I only need to prefix
0 1 3 26 28 sending from my PC to the host, and 1 3 26 28 255 host -->
PC.  When I use these settings to transfer files between my PC <--> the
(rlogin-connected) remote host, host --> PC transfers work fine, but PC
--> host transfers fail, and often cause the session to freeze (no
response to any key), requiring me to hang up and call back in.  If I
prefix *all* control chars PC --> remote host, the transfer works fine.

My question:  Can anyone suggest control chars to try prefixing for PC
--> remote host transfers in addition to 0 1 3 26 28, so that I don't
have to try them all?  Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

                                    Jeff


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print?
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In article <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu>,
Clark Gaylord <gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu> wrote:
>Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated
>when a particular string is received and ended when another string
>is received.  In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal
>gets routed directly to the printer.  

Can Kermit (esp either MSK or OS/2) do this?  

Both.  MS-DOS and OS/2 Kermit's (as well as the upcoming K-95)
support both Controller and Auto-Print modes of the VT320 terminals.

>And if so, what is the command/initialization string?

These are listed in the "Using MS-DOS Kermit", the "Using C-Kermit" 
and VT terminal manuals.  In addition, they are also in the documentation
files which come with the software.

			Start  		Stop
	Auto-Print	ESC [?5i	ESC [?4i
	Controller	ESC [5i		ESC [4i

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): 
   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip 
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In article <453k7p$jl7@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM>,
Casper H.S. Dik - Network Security Engineer <Casper.Dik@Holland.Sun.COM> wrote:
>
>I've checked tip source and it doesn't do anything special.
>It opens the port, does a ioctl setflags with XCLUDE and HUPCL and
>that's all (and it uucp locks the port).

Actually, that is somewhat special. I did a grep on /usr/share/man/* and
XCLUDE is not documented. Another grep revealed that kermit doesn't use
it [version 5A(188)].

It does turn up in sys/termios.h, as one of the bits in termios.c_cflag,
and I'm not entirely happy about this comment ...
#define XCLUDE  0100000     /* *V7* exclusive use coming fron XENIX */

As with other posters here, we've found at work that the safest option for
Solaris 2.3 is to dedicate one port to dial-in. We can not only hang the
port, but very often watchdog the machine by kermiting out on that port.
This does not happen with 'tip', and I recall seeing a rather detailed
report of this at Columbia University (FTP or Web, my memory fails me)
over a year ago.

-- 
Yusef Badri              <yb@greybox.demon.co.uk>
   ... My Other Signature's In Postscript ...

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode
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In article <1995Oct9.162125.9414@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>, jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) writes:
> In article 63072@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> 
>>[I wrote:]
>>> Now, with no (intentional, anyway) changes to the PC, Kermit no longer
>>> works properly: it takes eons (well, 30-45 seconds) to start up, and
>>> generally runs veerrrrrryyyy slllloowwwwwwlllly.
>>> ...
>>> - anyone have a clue what this slowness problem is?
> 
>>	How about clueing us in on what you mean by COM4 and whether any
>>other device shares the IRQ and/or port address (in which case you'd deceased).
>>Still have a FAX driver hanging onto the modem???
> 
> COM4 being 0x2E0/IRQ 3, if memory serves. No FAX or other drivers loaded.

	Whoa! Please read the release docs which are packaged with MSK.
It appears that you have an IRQ conflict with COM2.
 
>>	MSK runs very happily at nice high speeds, so the signs are that 
>>something is NOT configured sensibly on your machine, but we can't begin to 
>>guess what with the information at hand.
> 
> Reasonable, except that no other programs show this problem. And an
> absolute bare-bones DOS boot (floppy with MSDOS 5.0, no config.sys and
> no autoexec.bat) made no difference.
> 
>>	Then, you might help us some by indicating whether you ran the
>>install material for the current Kermit. The reason for asking is mainly
>>to know if you are using a modem script and the script does not match
>>your modem.
> 
> It's slow even before I start talking to the modem - heck, before I even tell
> it which com port to use. I can do a "DIR" command from the Kermit prompt
> and watch one line come out every few seconds.

	That's DOS doing the DIR command for Kermit. That means your machine
is in trouble from causes which we can't see from here.
        Joe D.

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rlogin uses (by default) an escape character of a '~'. I don't think that 
ms-kermit or C-Kermit will allow you to escape this char, as it is a 
printable character. I have found, however, that transfers from 
pc-->unix->unix, where the pc->unix link is via ms-kermit and the unix->unix 
link is via rlogin that the transfers failed when ms-kermit did its 
'compression' by replacing repeating chars with a run-length encoded string 
(the normal 'compression' char is '~' and the run-length was such that it 
was represented by another '~', that the two '~' chars together were changed 
by rlogin to a single '~', causing check-sum failures. 

Bottom line: tell rlogin to use a different escape character by using the 
'-ec' flag (see man rlogin(1)). In my case, I've got a terminal server in 
the path that uses control-x as an escape char, so I have to tell ms-kermit 
to escape control-x anyway, so I tell rlogin to use control-x as the escape 
character. This has given me full upload/download capabilities. In your 
case, you seem to be escaping control-z for some reason, so you could 
probably safely tell rlogin to use this as the escape. 

Hope this helps.

Steve Layten
-- 
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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print?
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In article <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>In article <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) writes:
>> Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated
>> when a particular string is received and ended when another string
>> is received.  In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal
>> gets routed directly to the printer.  Can Kermit (esp either MSK or
>> OS/2) do this?  And if so, what is the command/initialization string?
>-----------
>	Yes, they do. You need to read the documentation with Kermit
>(of either flavor). For MSK, see file MSVIBM.VT for a cryptic description,
>and the User's Manual (the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit") for a more wordy
>rendition.

I really wish there were a way to glue Ken Yapp's 'pprd' program
that turns a pc into a dedicated print spooler (lpd or jetdirect
protocol) into kermit or one of the other DOS telnet programs.
I have lots of old PC's that could be used to drive printers from
network connections but I'd like to also have a telnet session from
the same location to log into the host and control the spooler.
Does such a thing already exist?  I might try it myself but I
don't have the right compiler to build kermit or NCSA telnet.
Cutcp might work, though.  Is anyone maintaining it?

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <45biao$dlq@life.ai.mit.edu>,
Stefan Kozlowski <stefank@panix.com> wrote:
: Has anyone managed to get Kermit 3.14 to run with the built in TCP/IP 
: stack on Win95? I want to use Kermit as my telnet client....I need my 
: emacs kbd mappings. 
:
Kermit 95 is what you need.  It is a native Windows 95 Telnet client and
comes with EMACS keyboard mappings.  More info:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) writes:
> Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated
> when a particular string is received and ended when another string
> is received.  In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal
> gets routed directly to the printer.  Can Kermit (esp either MSK or
> OS/2) do this?  And if so, what is the command/initialization string?
-----------
	Yes, they do. You need to read the documentation with Kermit
(of either flavor). For MSK, see file MSVIBM.VT for a cryptic description,
and the User's Manual (the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit") for a more wordy
rendition.
	Joe D.

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In article <4549b2$70n@panix2.panix.com>,
Kurt Rosenhagen <kjr@panix.com> wrote:
: Thanks for the  help regarding terminating init string and file-transfer
: display options. (And thanks to other replies by email).
: 
: I'll definitely take your suggestion to order the manual. The last time I'd
: looked at kermit, there was no FAQ, and I didn't know anyone who was
: familiar with the package; so we stopped using it. This time around, I'm
: very happy with the results. Help from the FAQ and this newsgroup made the
: difference.
: 
: One minor point that bothers me. When I'm transferring files, issuing send
: and receive on both the local and remote system seems redundant; both are
: unix sytems, always. Is it possible to eliminate maybe with macros or
: scripts? If it's covered in the manual, I'll look it up when I receive it.
: 
It is -- it's called "server mode".  Put one Kermit program in server mode,
then it does whatever the other, "client", Kermit asks it to.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <813068410snz@wbgl.demon.co.uk>,
Infomation  <info@wbgl.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: When starting file transfer using kermit 5A(190), kermit sometimes
: selects EVEN parity.  This cannot be overidden by specifying a parity
: of NONE and the transfer obviously fails because the other end is not
: running EVEN parity.
: 
: I can overcome this by setting parity to EVEN at both ends and
: everything works fine - but I would rather not.
: 
: The problem only occurs when communicating to a particular OS
:  -  ICL DRS NX running on an Intel machine.
: 
: The kermit manual states that automatic parity detection will occur
: but in this case it is detecting incorrectly.
: 
I doubt it.  If there parity were not there, Kermit would not detect it.
Something, somewhere, is adding the even parity bits without your knowledge.
A packet log would show this.  Thus, Kermit is doing exactly the right
thing.  Of course, if you can track down and eliminate the source of the
parity bits, all the better.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <45e89v$2bf@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu>,
> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>>In article <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) writes:
>>> Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated
>>> when a particular string is received and ended when another string
>>> is received.  In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal
>>> gets routed directly to the printer.  Can Kermit (esp either MSK or
>>> OS/2) do this?  And if so, what is the command/initialization string?
>>-----------
>>	Yes, they do. You need to read the documentation with Kermit
>>(of either flavor). For MSK, see file MSVIBM.VT for a cryptic description,
>>and the User's Manual (the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit") for a more wordy
>>rendition.
> 
> I really wish there were a way to glue Ken Yapp's 'pprd' program
> that turns a pc into a dedicated print spooler (lpd or jetdirect
> protocol) into kermit or one of the other DOS telnet programs.

	But why bother when there are reasonably priced "tiny boxes"
which do network printing for a variety of protocols? Those are much
more reliable than an old PC sitting in the corner.

> I have lots of old PC's that could be used to drive printers from
> network connections but I'd like to also have a telnet session from
> the same location to log into the host and control the spooler.
> Does such a thing already exist?  I might try it myself but I
> don't have the right compiler to build kermit or NCSA telnet.
> Cutcp might work, though.  Is anyone maintaining it?

	No maintenance that I know of for years now.
	Joe D.
 
> Les Mikesell
>   les@mcs.com

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In article <45ecn3$ifr@sloth.swcp.com>, helios@swcp.com (Thomas David Nichols) writes:
> I, too, get frequent "unknown hardware for port" errors when running
> MS-Kermit in a DOS window.  It is nearly 100% repeatable when I use the
> CompuServe Information Manager for Windows first, but it sometimes happens
> when the DOS window is my first operation.  Here is the workaround I found
> when we hashed it out on this newsgroup a few months ago: 
> 
> set com4 \x2e8 3
> set port 4              ; Change if desired.  If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR.
> if equal \v(port) Bios4 -
>   echo {Trying "set port 4" again}
> if equal \v(port) Bios4 -
>   sleep 2, set port 4
> if equal \v(port) Bios4 -
>   fatal {Try repeating TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI}
> 
> This has gotten MSK off and limping every time so far.  I use a special
> script that sets the speed at 19,200 bps, and I have optimized the DOS
> window (full-screen, etc.), so that I draw only a few errors per
> download.  When I want reliable operation at 57,600 bps, I run MSK
> from the "real" DOS.  Then, it's a dream!
> 
> (I have a 486/66, Windows 3.1, mouse on COM1, 8 megs RAM, generous swap 
> file, no expanded memory, no exotic TSR's.)

	Has it ocurred to you that there is a glaring conflict over IRQ 3
in your setup? IRQ 3 also belongs to normally COM2 so if any device has
IRQ 3 engaged via jumper or soft setup is conflicting with your wanted
serial port.
	Joe D.

> --
> Thomas David Nichols    Heliotrope Quality Systems, 1-505-298-4657
> Quality Auditing, Quality Manuals, Statistics, ISO-9000 Consulting

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From: John Collins <jcollins@helium.ucr.edu>
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Subject: macintosh telnet kermit
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I'm looking for a macintosh application that allows
telnet connections and supports kermit.  Kermit for
unix and for pc can do this, but Kermit for mac can not.
Procom Plus for Windows allows telnet connections.  Is there
an analogous communications package for Mac that allows
telnet connections.



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From: kjr@panix.com (Kurt Rosenhagen)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit init-string?
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In article <45es0p$2uf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <4549b2$70n@panix2.panix.com>,
>Kurt Rosenhagen <kjr@panix.com> wrote:
>: One minor point that bothers me. When I'm transferring files, issuing send
>: and receive on both the local and remote system seems redundant; both are
>: unix sytems, always. Is it possible to eliminate maybe with macros or
>: scripts? If it's covered in the manual, I'll look it up when I receive it.
>: 
>It is -- it's called "server mode".  Put one Kermit program in server mode,
>then it does whatever the other, "client", Kermit asks it to.

Found it - although I'm still looking for more info. But it works well
enough. The manual's on back order, so when it comes in I'll look for more
on this. Thanks again for your help, and for the program.

-- 
 __________________________________________________________________
|                                                                  |
| Name:  Kurt Rosenhagen         Email: kjr@panix.com              |
|__________________________________________________________________|

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From: anton@sophie.asd.co.za (Anton Bouwer)
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Subject: What is Super Kermit?
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In a press release by BananaCom dated 1995/09/08 in comp.bbs.misc they
mention :
>Another new development is the implementation of auto Super Kermit, which is
>known to be a good protocol for file transfers across a telnet session.

Can anyone tell me how Super Kermit differs from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, or
where I can get more information about Super Kermit?

Thanks in advance

Anton
Email: anton@sophie.asd.co.za

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: What is Super Kermit?
Date: 11 Oct 1995 19:17:36 GMT
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In article <45gn0l$4ng@sophie.asd.co.za>,
Anton Bouwer <anton@sophie.asd.co.za> wrote:
>In a press release by BananaCom dated 1995/09/08 in comp.bbs.misc they
>mention :
>>Another new development is the implementation of auto Super Kermit, which is
>>known to be a good protocol for file transfers across a telnet session.
>
>Can anyone tell me how Super Kermit differs from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, or
>where I can get more information about Super Kermit?
>
"Super Kermit" is a term coined elsewhere, and generally seems to refer to a
Kermit implementation that includes sliding windows or long packets, but
usually not both.  The term "Super Kermit" is not used by the Kermit project.

It is extremely unlikely that you will find a Kermit implementation that is
done elsewhere that is as fast, flexible, or robust as real Kermit software.

To convince yourself of this, compare Kermit transfers done by MS-DOS Kermit
3.14 with those done by BananaCom.  Use settings such as those described in
our FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html

for maximum speed, assuming BananaCom supports those settings, which is
doubtful.  Feel free to post the results here.

- Frank

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From: ratzan@umdnj.edu (Lee Ratzan)
Subject: kermit for apple II gs
Message-Id: <DG8EpL.B2A@umdnj.edu>
Summary: kermit for apple II gs
Keywords: apple II
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Can anyone inform me where one may obtain a copy of Kermit suitable
for an Apple II GS? A colleague has this old machine but wishes to
provide Internet access for their child and cannot afford a contemporary
machine. Any help is appreciated.

PLEASE RESPOND DIRECTLY TO: RATZAN@UMDNJ.EDU


Kermit in a DOS window.  It is nearly 100% repeatable when I use the
CompuServe Information Manager for Windows first, but it sometimes happens
when the DOS window is my first operation.  Here is the workaround I found
when we hashed it out on this newsgroup a few months ago: 

set com4 \x2e8 3
set port 4              ; Change if desired.  If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR.
if equal \v(port) Bios4 -
  echo {Trying "set port 4" again}
if equal \v(port) Bios4 -
  sleep 2, set port 4
if equal \v(port) Bios4 -
  fatal {Try repeating TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI}

This has gotten MSK off and limping every time so far.  I use a special
script that sets the speed at 19,200 bps, and I have optimized the DOS
window (full-screen, etc.), so that I draw only a few errors per
download.  When I want reliable operation at 57,600 bps, I run MSK
from the "real" DOS.  Then, it's a dream!

(I have a 486/66, Windows 3.1, mouse on COM1, 8 megs RAM, generous swap 
file, no expanded memory, no exotic TSR's.)

--
Thomas David Nichols    Heliotrope Quality Systems, 1-505-298-4657
Quality Auditing, Quality Manuals, Statistics, ISO-9000 Consulting

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From: dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca (Doug Dau)
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Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Win95 problem
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Mike Smith (mike@post.queensu.ca) wrote:

:>In article <1995Oct7.144551.63053@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
:>|> In article <453dpf$cie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
:>|> > In article <1995Oct4.102543@earth.medcolpa.edu>,
:>|> >  <schoffstall@earth.medcolpa.edu> wrote:
:>|> >>I'm running Kermit 3.14 under Win95. It runs fine when you shut 
:>|> >>down Win95 and run a DOS session, but it won't run in a DOS box as a 
:>|> >>Win95 process, apparently because it can't detect the port. After it 
:>|> >>executes MSCUSTOM.INI, I get the message:
:>|> >>
:>|> >>?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1
:>|> >>Unimplemented speed
:>|> >>?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART parts
:>|> -----------
:>|> 	I have a suggestion for those afflicted with the above message.
:>|> Open the Windows Control Panel, choose Ports, tell Windows the IRQ and
:>|> port address of your COMx ports, restart Windows. Brave souls may wish
:>|> to further configure Windows to cope with 16550A UARTs, according to
:>|> whatever MS Windows instructions you happen to have.
:>|> 	I ran quick tests of MSK under WFW 3.11 here, and using serial
:>|> ports was clean every time. I had done the above.
:>... snip ...

:>Joe may be on to something here.  I use Windows for Workgroups 3.11 and
:>I have an external modem on COM2.  I find that I can consistently force
:>the unknown hardware warning when I:
:>  - turn the modem off
:>  - start Windows
:>  - turn the modem on
:>  - start Kermit
:>There may be other scenarios that cause the error.  I don't know because
:>I put a macro in my mscustom.ini file that tests for the failure and
:>sleeps 2 seconds and reissues the set port command.  On my PC this always
:>clears the error so I've stopped wondering about it.

That's consistent with my experience under Win 3.1/3.11. The other thing 
I found under my configuration (external USR Sportster 14.4K) is that if 
the modem is switched on BEFORE I power up the PC or switched on AFTER I 
launch MSK then the port (com2 in my case) does seem to be consistently 
recognized.


:>However, I followed Joe's suggestion and used the Windows Control Panel
:>Ports item to explicitly set the COM1 and COM2 values in my system.ini.
:>Before doing this, the file had no values for these two ports but did
:>have entries for COM3 and COM4 (which do not in fact exist).  After
:>exiting and restarting Windows I still got the unknown hardware warning.
:>I then exited Windows and edited system.ini to delete the bogus entries
:>for COM3 and COM4.  Rerunning the test described above I did not get the
:>warning.

I'd done this a long while ago when I originally had the problem but
"training" the control pannel really didn't affect behavior for me
(although I've left things set up there properly since the "tidyness" 
makes me feel better).
--
 Doug Dau                                      Internet: dddau@acs.ucalgary.ca
 University Computing Services                 Phone:    403-220-6217
 University of Calgary                         Fax:      403-282-9199



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From: JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu (Jason Stephenson)
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Is anyone out there working on a port of Kermit to BeBox?  If not, then I
may just have to volunteer for that one.

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From: rburgess@physiology.uwo.ca (Ron Burgess)
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I need to capture  the clean text from several screens using Kermit.  If I 
connect to our VAX/VMS host  and log the session to a redirected printer 
file, everything works.  If I connect to a Unix host I get all the ANSI escape 
codes embedded in the file NO MATTER WHAT I DO.
      If I connect to the Unix host with the terminal type set  to none, the 
screen displays all the codes that end up in the file. I know absolutely 
nothing about Unix,  but it seems to me that the Unix host is defaulting to 
one particular terminal type and sending the codes for it .  Is there anything 
I can do to remedy this ???

 Thanks for all the help.

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print?
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In article <1995Oct10.170828.63367@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:

>> I really wish there were a way to glue Ken Yapp's 'pprd' program
>> that turns a pc into a dedicated print spooler (lpd or jetdirect
>> protocol) into kermit or one of the other DOS telnet programs.
>
>	But why bother when there are reasonably priced "tiny boxes"
>which do network printing for a variety of protocols? Those are much
>more reliable than an old PC sitting in the corner.

I have a couple of extenuating circumstances.  First, the PC's in
question have run for years with no problems, so reliability isn't
much of an issue.  Also, they have old 1M Starlan cards we have
a 10-1 bridge which makes them transparently accessable using wiring
that is already in place where the little boxes would take more
ports off the 10BaseT hubs.  But, aside from that, I run a custom
print spooler with a curses-based interface that makes it easy to
feed single sheets and control different forms on the same
printer, so I like having a terminal near the printers.  Making one
free box do it all just seems like a good idea.  Pprd over a packet
driver works fine for the printers, kermit over a packet driver
makes a nice terminal, and neither is much of a load even for
an old 8086. 

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print?
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In article <45e89v$2bf@mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>In article <1995Oct9.202742.63269@cc.usu.edu>,
>Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>>In article <45c0dg$vf@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) writes:
>>> Many real terminals have a parallel port on them, which is initiated
>>> when a particular string is received and ended when another string
>>> is received.  In between these strings, what is sent to the terminal
>>> gets routed directly to the printer.  Can Kermit (esp either MSK or
>>> OS/2) do this?  And if so, what is the command/initialization string?
>>-----------
>>	Yes, they do. You need to read the documentation with Kermit
>>(of either flavor). For MSK, see file MSVIBM.VT for a cryptic description,
>>and the User's Manual (the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit") for a more wordy
>>rendition.

Could you give the location for setting OS/2 to do this. I really have a
need for this option. I do have the CKERMIT book but cannot find a
reference to printing under OS/2 through the vt terminal.

Thanks a million.

Helen

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From: hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi)
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Subject: is there any effect of ANDing a byte with 0377 (octal)?
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Hi,

In one communcation software I work with, I see that  before transmiting
some chars., they are ANDed with '0377' (octal 377) which  is 011 111 111.
It seems that it will just leave the 8-bit byte as is.
Am I missing something ?

Atiq

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In article <rburgess.87.307C1695@physiology.uwo.ca>,
Ron Burgess <rburgess@physiology.uwo.ca> wrote:
: I need to capture the clean text from several screens using Kermit.  If
: I connect to our VAX/VMS host and log the session to a redirected
: printer file, everything works.  If I connect to a Unix host I get all
: the ANSI escape codes embedded in the file NO MATTER WHAT I DO.  If I
: connect to the Unix host with the terminal type set to none, the screen
: displays all the codes that end up in the file. I know absolutely
: nothing about Unix, but it seems to me that the Unix host is defaulting
: to one particular terminal type and sending the codes for it .  Is there
: anything I can do to remedy this ???
: 
Lots of things.  Start by consulting the Kermit FAQ at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

This question is discussed in item 19.

- Frank

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    [Cc to poster.]

    Thank you for your helpful response.

In article <1995Oct10.115354.29235@chemabs.uucp>,
"Steven W. Layten" <slayten@cas.org> wrote:

>rlogin uses (by default) an escape character of a '~'. I don't think that 
>ms-kermit or C-Kermit will allow you to escape this char, as it is a 
>printable character. I have found, however, that transfers from 
>pc-->unix->unix, where the pc->unix link is via ms-kermit and the unix->unix 
>link is via rlogin that the transfers failed when ms-kermit did its 
>'compression' by replacing repeating chars with a run-length encoded string 
>(the normal 'compression' char is '~' and the run-length was such that it 
>was represented by another '~', that the two '~' chars together were changed 
>by rlogin to a single '~', causing check-sum failures. 

    Sorry, I neglected to mention in my previous post that I'm
    transferring (pkzip) compressed binary files.  I seriously doubt
    that Kermit will find many repeating chars.  However, my test file
    is well seasoned with ~ chars, and this may indeed be causing
    transfers to fail.  Makes sense, when they work host --> PC.

>Bottom line: tell rlogin to use a different escape character by using the 
>'-ec' flag (see man rlogin(1)). In my case, I've got a terminal server in 
>the path that uses control-x as an escape char, so I have to tell ms-kermit 
>to escape control-x anyway, so I tell rlogin to use control-x as the escape 
>character. 

    I wasn't able to get my shell (tcsh) to accept a control char for
    -e on the command line, however I was able to sneak it in the back
    door by aliasing a command.  However, this strategy didn't work--
    the PC --> my host --> rlogin'd host transfer still failed: I wound
    up back at the shell prompt, and C-Kermit turned up as a suspended
    job. (Note: ^Z is in my list of chars to prefix because that is the
    suspend char on both my account and the one I'm rlogging into. 
    Transfers will fail if it's not prefixed.) I also tried ^X, and the
    results were exactly the same.  Suggestions would be *very*
    welcome!

    BTW, I don't know if this is significant, but after a failed
    transfer, I always wind up with a 0-byte file on the remote host
    named }}.sfm#Wxn.  

                                        Jeff

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Q1. Does IBM SYSTEM/370 MVS/TSO KERMIT ver 4.3.1 support sliding windows?

Q2. Has anyone got kermit to transfer files in non-fullscreen mode over 
    SprintNet (formerly Telenet) lines?

Q3. What are the most effecient settings for such a transfer with 
    IBM system/370 kermit ver 4.3.1 and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14?

Any ideas and information are appreciated.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
			Srinivas Krishnamurthy
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print?
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In article <45i04i$1s2@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <1995Oct10.170828.63367@cc.usu.edu>,
> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
> 
>>> I really wish there were a way to glue Ken Yapp's 'pprd' program
>>> that turns a pc into a dedicated print spooler (lpd or jetdirect
>>> protocol) into kermit or one of the other DOS telnet programs.
>>
>>	But why bother when there are reasonably priced "tiny boxes"
>>which do network printing for a variety of protocols? Those are much
>>more reliable than an old PC sitting in the corner.
> 
> I have a couple of extenuating circumstances.  First, the PC's in
> question have run for years with no problems, so reliability isn't
> much of an issue.  Also, they have old 1M Starlan cards we have
> a 10-1 bridge which makes them transparently accessable using wiring
> that is already in place where the little boxes would take more
> ports off the 10BaseT hubs.  But, aside from that, I run a custom
> print spooler with a curses-based interface that makes it easy to
> feed single sheets and control different forms on the same
> printer, so I like having a terminal near the printers.  Making one
> free box do it all just seems like a good idea.  Pprd over a packet
> driver works fine for the printers, kermit over a packet driver
> makes a nice terminal, and neither is much of a load even for
> an old 8086. 
> 
> Les Mikesell
>   les@mcs.com
-------------
	Sigh. Les, you imply that the Kermit project should spend development
time and effort to be a print server. And the reason seems to be you have
this rather unique combination of old gear and tailored techniques. Might
I be so bold as to suggest spending your money to modernize your system
for the long run, rather than us spending our money for your niche situation?
	Joe D.

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In article <rburgess.87.307C1695@physiology.uwo.ca>, rburgess@physiology.uwo.ca (Ron Burgess) writes:
> I need to capture  the clean text from several screens using Kermit.  If I 
> connect to our VAX/VMS host  and log the session to a redirected printer 
> file, everything works.  If I connect to a Unix host I get all the ANSI escape 
> codes embedded in the file NO MATTER WHAT I DO.
>       If I connect to the Unix host with the terminal type set  to none, the 
> screen displays all the codes that end up in the file. I know absolutely 
> nothing about Unix,  but it seems to me that the Unix host is defaulting to 
> one particular terminal type and sending the codes for it .  Is there anything 
> I can do to remedy this ???
> 
>  Thanks for all the help.
--------------

	There are two ways of printing during VTxxx terminal emulation,
as described briefly below from distribution file MSVIBM.VT. The codes
are those received by the terminal emulator.

 CSI Pn i	MC		Printer controls (Media Copy)
			Pn	
			0	Print whole Screen
			4	Exit printer controller (transparent print)
			5	Enter printer controller (transparent print)

Transparent printing sends all output, except the CSI 4 i termination string,
to the printer and not the screen, uses an 8-bit channel if no parity so NUL
and DEL will be seen by the printer and by the termination recognizer code,
and all translation and character set selections are bypassed.

 CSI ? Pn i	MC		DEC Printer controls (Media Copy)
			Pn
			1	Print line containing cursor
			4	Exit autoprint (stop echoing to printer)
			5	Enter autoprint (echo screen chars to printer)

Autoprint prints a final display line only when the cursor is moved off the
line by an autowrap or LF, FF,	or VT (otherwise do not print the line).



	The keyboard verb \Kprtscn (defaults to Control-PrintScrn key combo)
also invokes controller printing (the line by line flavor). It's a toggle.
You can redirect printing by Kermit command SET PRINTER <new device or file
name>.
	LOG SESSION is NOT a printing method. It is a total capture of the 
incoming data stream.
        For your Unix system I strongly recommend talking with its system
manager. Be sure the terminal type matches that being emulated by Kermit.
	Joe D.

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In article <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net>,
Atiqullah Hashmi <hashmi@cnj.digex.net> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>In one communcation software I work with, I see that  before transmiting
>some chars., they are ANDed with '0377' (octal 377) which  is 011 111 111.
                                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^
                                                                01 111 111
>It seems that it will just leave the 8-bit byte as is.
>Am I missing something ?

Now do you see it?

>Atiq


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   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip 
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In article <45jru0$ekc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net>,
>Atiqullah Hashmi <hashmi@cnj.digex.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>In one communcation software I work with, I see that  before transmiting
>>some chars., they are ANDed with '0377' (octal 377) which  is 011 111 111.
>>It seems that it will just leave the 8-bit byte as is.
>>Am I missing something ?
>

The characters being sent are probably being stored in something larger 
than a byte.  Perhaps a 16bit or 32bit int.  In which case the value might
not be an 8-bit char.  So 377 will strip it down to size.

Another possibility is that the 377 is assigned to a variable which is used
as a mask.  Sometimes to allow 8-bit data, other times to allow 7-bit data.

PS Ignore my previous post.  It was very wrong.  I must be really burned out.
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <45gn0l$4ng@sophie.asd.co.za>, anton@sophie.asd.co.za (Anton Bouwer) writes:
> In a press release by BananaCom dated 1995/09/08 in comp.bbs.misc they
> mention :
>>Another new development is the implementation of auto Super Kermit, which is
>>known to be a good protocol for file transfers across a telnet session.
> 
> Can anyone tell me how Super Kermit differs from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, or
> where I can get more information about Super Kermit?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Anton
> Email: anton@sophie.asd.co.za
-------------
	We can't but maybe that vendor would like to say something.
I've had one experience with a thing by that name some years ago and
it was a disaster. It violated the Kermit protocol (and common sense).
Consequently it can't be said to use the Kermit protocol. Note that Columbia
Kermits have been transfering files with the Kermit protocol over many kinds
of networks for years. 
	Joe D.

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In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.951011165155.1001C-100000@mp>,
Srinivas Krishnamurthy  <t90kxs1@mp.cs.niu.edu> wrote:
>Q1. Does IBM SYSTEM/370 MVS/TSO KERMIT ver 4.3.1 support sliding windows?
>
No.  That's because the underlying operating system does not support
full-duplex communication, which is a prerequisite for sliding windows.

>Q2. Has anyone got kermit to transfer files in non-fullscreen mode over 
>    SprintNet (formerly Telenet) lines?
>
I believe so, but it's always best to get a direct answer from someone who
has actually done it.  It might be as simple as telling the Kermit program
on your end to "do ibm-linemode", which is a built-in macro in C-Kermit and
MS-DOS Kermit, whose definition is:

  set parity mark
  set flow none
  set handshake xon ; or set local-echo on
  set duplex half

If mark parity doesn't do it, try even.

>Q3. What are the most effecient settings for such a transfer with 
>    IBM system/370 kermit ver 4.3.1 and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14?
>
The answer to questions like this always depends on the particulars of the
connection, including all the devices, drivers, boxes, converters, front
ends, and so forth from one end to the other, and probably also the load
on the TSO system and its front end, not to mention the PC's speed, TSR
population, and myriad other configuration items (disk caching, etc) that
Kermit must work under.

If we knew ideal AND foolproof settings, they would be the ones used by
default.  We do know "foolproof", and they *are* the default (provided you
get the communications basics like parity, etc, right), but "ideal" always
requires some experimentation.  It's the old tradeoff -- speed versus
dependability.

- Frank

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In article 63193@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>>>	How about clueing us in on what you mean by COM4 and whether any
>>>other device shares the IRQ and/or port address (in which case you'd deceased).
>>>Still have a FAX driver hanging onto the modem???
>> 
>> COM4 being 0x2E0/IRQ 3, if memory serves. No FAX or other drivers loaded.
>
>	Whoa! Please read the release docs which are packaged with MSK.
>It appears that you have an IRQ conflict with COM2.

If that's true, why don't other comm programs have any difficulty? And why
does MSK have a problem before I ever get around to telling it about COM4?

>> It's slow even before I start talking to the modem - heck, before I even tell
>> it which com port to use. I can do a "DIR" command from the Kermit prompt
>> and watch one line come out every few seconds.
>
>	That's DOS doing the DIR command for Kermit. That means your machine
>is in trouble from causes which we can't see from here.

My mistake. The DIR output comes out at normal speed, but when it finishes,
it takes about 30 seconds before the Kermit prompt appears.

Jeffrey Altman plausibly suggested that something broken in my system/setup
might be confusing MSK's efforts to run well-behaved under various 
multitasking and/or protected mode environments, even though I'm not using one.

Perhaps another clue - I just noticed that the short beep (end of POST?)
during bootup is lower pitched than it used to be - most, but not every,
time the system is booted. Maybe the PC is just plain, uh, croaking...
---
"How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782"               jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov
Jack Morrison/Jet Propulsion Lab/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109



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In article <1995Oct12.144015.22894@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>, jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) writes:
> In article 63383@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>> I dunno, it's your box. 
> 
> I'm pretty sure you're right - I ran some diagnostics (ASQ that came with
> 386MAX that came with MS C 7.0) to see what it had to say about my serial
> ports and IRQs, and buried in the output I found:
> 
> 	CPU Speed = 0.9 MHz
----------
	Oh my. At this point half the Internet would pounce and say: running
Win95 by any chance? But I wouldn't do that. Yup, somethings broken. At the
price of motherboards these days it's probably economically realistic to
replace it without much further thought.
        Joe D.

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From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong)
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Subject: Problems With "DISABLE CD" On VMS Server
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Hi,

We are using C-Kermit 5A(190) on our Vax VMS System. I wrote a script 
to prompt the user when I press CTL-ALT-F3 to download files from
SYS$LOGIN ie VMS C-Kermit in 'server' mode, PC 'gets' file.

Our system administrator (VMS) entered the following commands in the
global .INI file (CKERMIT.INI):

	disable cd
	disable host
	disable passwd
	disable help
	<a few more disables>

Apparantly, he could do a CTL-ATL-F3 and get the file, but our users
are not able to do so.  When the DISABLE CD is removed, all is fine.
Does one need special privileges to get files even with DISABLE CD on?

One more question: Can I put all the DISABLES in one line?

Thanks

Robert

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode
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In article <1995Oct10.192339.7210@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>, jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison) writes:
> In article 63193@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>>>>	How about clueing us in on what you mean by COM4 and whether any
>>>>other device shares the IRQ and/or port address (in which case you'd deceased).
>>>>Still have a FAX driver hanging onto the modem???
>>> 
>>> COM4 being 0x2E0/IRQ 3, if memory serves. No FAX or other drivers loaded.
>>
>>	Whoa! Please read the release docs which are packaged with MSK.
>>It appears that you have an IRQ conflict with COM2.
> 
> If that's true, why don't other comm programs have any difficulty? And why
> does MSK have a problem before I ever get around to telling it about COM4?

	Trying to put this into historical perspective without remembering
the history... The other programs very likely do NO CHECKING. You are the
beneficiary, so to speak.
	Once again, if your startup script has any command which requires
going to the comms channel to answer then the serial port may be opened.
The default port is COM1. 
 
>>> It's slow even before I start talking to the modem - heck, before I even tell
>>> it which com port to use. I can do a "DIR" command from the Kermit prompt
>>> and watch one line come out every few seconds.
>>
>>	That's DOS doing the DIR command for Kermit. That means your machine
>>is in trouble from causes which we can't see from here.
> 
> My mistake. The DIR output comes out at normal speed, but when it finishes,
> it takes about 30 seconds before the Kermit prompt appears.

	That's not Kermit. That's your system. I can't begin to guess on
this one.
 
> Jeffrey Altman plausibly suggested that something broken in my system/setup
> might be confusing MSK's efforts to run well-behaved under various 
> multitasking and/or protected mode environments, even though I'm not using 
>one.
	Wait a sec. Are you now saying that you are not running DOS, but
are using OS/2 or some unusual DOS setup?
	Maybe you have a MODE command with a serial port and a /P switch
on it? That's discussed in the Kermit release material.

> 
> Perhaps another clue - I just noticed that the short beep (end of POST?)
> during bootup is lower pitched than it used to be - most, but not every,
> time the system is booted. Maybe the PC is just plain, uh, croaking...

	Or maybe past tense croaking. I dunno, it's your box. Get together
the required three humans to threaten the machine into cooperation, and
please don't forget the sacrifical chickens. On the other hand, read the
tiny manual for your machine and discover the cpu speed fast/slow controls.
	Joe D.

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From: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison)
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Molasses Mode
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In article 63383@cc.usu.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> I dunno, it's your box. 

I'm pretty sure you're right - I ran some diagnostics (ASQ that came with
386MAX that came with MS C 7.0) to see what it had to say about my serial
ports and IRQs, and buried in the output I found:

	CPU Speed = 0.9 MHz
	
I had a snapshot of the same diagnostic from 4/95 showing the correct
speed of 25MHZ, so something has indeed failed. The system doesn't run
any slower than it used to in general, and the DOS time-of-day is
updating normally, but some timing or interrupt circuit must have gone
south.

>> Jeffrey Altman plausibly suggested that something broken in my system/setup
>> might be confusing MSK's efforts to run well-behaved under various 
>> multitasking and/or protected mode environments, even though I'm not using one.
>	Wait a sec. Are you now saying that you are not running DOS, but
>	are using OS/2 or some unusual DOS setup?

Nope. I said I'm not using a PM setup, but vanilla MSDOS. I still like the
hypothesis that Kermit is stumbling over broken hardware that older and
less clever software is simply ignoring.

>	Maybe you have a MODE command with a serial port and a /P switch on it? 

Nope.

>On the other hand, read the
>tiny manual for your machine and discover the cpu speed fast/slow controls.

"Turbo" mode has no effect on this problem, if that's what you mean.


Anyway, sorry to rile you guys up for nothing. And thanks for the suggestions.
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John Collins <jcollins@helium.ucr.edu> wrote:
>I'm looking for a macintosh application that allows
>telnet connections and supports kermit.  Kermit for
>unix and for pc can do this, but Kermit for mac can not.
>Procom Plus for Windows allows telnet connections.  Is there
>an analogous communications package for Mac that allows
>telnet connections.
>
>

VersaTerm comes with a TELNET tool and support both BINARY and TEXT
KERMIT file transfer.

The only wierdness we have seen is a miserable throughput when using
LAT tool instead of TELNET.  This is with a several-years-old LAT 
tool, so we are not yet prepared to point fingers. 

VersaTerm Pro costs about twice as much as VersaTerm.  The only
difference I know of is that the Pro version emulates more and fancier
Tektronix graphics terminals, so don't buy it unless you need those.

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                                                 Computer Services
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: remote directory and such
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In article <45k2jv$8f1@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov>, ute@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov (Ute R. Willmore) writes:
> I posted a few weeks ago with some Questions about MS-Kermit and C-Kermit
> and our server went down right after I posted. I don't know if anybody
> replied, since I never saw any replies. Thanks to all who replied anyway.
> I just wanted you to know I am not the ungrateful kind, who takes answers 
> and never says thanks, I just never got a chance to see the answers.
> 
> Anyway, on to my new questions.
> 
> Here is what I am doing:
> 
> I have a DOS box that is hoooked to a UNIX 4.2 box via a serial cable. I use
> MS-Kermit to log on the UNIX system and then use C-kermit to put the DOS
> box into server mode. This allows me to do a number of things, first and
> for most, it allows me to get a directory listing from the DOS side. I need
> that directory listing on the UNIX side. 
> 
> Problems is that I can only get listings of the current directory and its
> sub-directory, but not of any other directories. So, if c:\mskermit is
> the current directory on the DOS machine, a remote dir command will give
> me a listing of c:\mskermit. Remote dir subdir1 will list the files in
> c:\mskermit\subdir1. But, remote dir c:\subdir will also give a listing of
> c:\mskermit.
> 
> Any ideas? Am I missing something very basic here, or is the a bug in Kermit 
> 3.13 I don't know about?
---------------
	As I recall, that's a bug in MSK v3.13 having to do with ensuring
a "\" path separator is always present. Alas, it could be inserted twice
and confuse DOS. The industry standard advice applies here "Please upgrade
to the latest version."
	Joe D.

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Subject: Can Kermit send bianry as uuencode to my mail address?
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I have a local e-mail address and a Unizx account in another state.  
Ascii text is easy to mail to myself but getting files is darn near 
impossible.

I've tried FTP by mai..but I think servers keep changing and I've lost 
interest as it has continually not worked...plus the delay of cueing mean 
I try and wait , etc.

So I looked at Kermit which will run from the Unix server.  I log on to 
the Unix through gopher/telnet and then can start Kermit.  If I could get 
Kermit to encode and then send the uuencoded file to my mail that would 
really  help!


Or any other method might be nice :)!

Thank you
Andre

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can Kermit send bianry as uuencode to my mail address?
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In article <45koqk$ld0@news.ios.com>, ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) writes:
> I have a local e-mail address and a Unizx account in another state.  
> Ascii text is easy to mail to myself but getting files is darn near 
> impossible.
> 
> I've tried FTP by mai..but I think servers keep changing and I've lost 
> interest as it has continually not worked...plus the delay of cueing mean 
> I try and wait , etc.
> 
> So I looked at Kermit which will run from the Unix server.  I log on to 
> the Unix through gopher/telnet and then can start Kermit.  If I could get 
> Kermit to encode and then send the uuencoded file to my mail that would 
> really  help!
> 
> 
> Or any other method might be nice :)!
> Thank you
> Andre
--------------
	Have you considered the straight forward method of Kermit to Kermit
file transfers? They work, text and binary, 7 or 8-bit channels, no uuencode
necessary. I don't know the kind of local machine you are using, but there's
a Columbia Kermit for it. Please see kermit.columiba.edu for the master
archive.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: is there any effect of ANDing a byte with 0377 (octal)?
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In article <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net>, hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> In one communcation software I work with, I see that  before transmiting
> some chars., they are ANDed with '0377' (octal 377) which  is 011 111 111.
> It seems that it will just leave the 8-bit byte as is.
> Am I missing something ?
> 
> Atiq
----------
	I don't understand what your question is. If it's not about Kermit
then perhaps one of the other News groups is a better place to inquire.
	Joe D.

at I am doing:

I have a DOS box that is hoooked to a UNIX 4.2 box via a serial cable. I use
MS-Kermit to log on the UNIX system and then use C-kermit to put the DOS
box into server mode. This allows me to do a number of things, first and
for most, it allows me to get a directory listing from the DOS side. I need
that directory listing on the UNIX side. 

Problems is that I can only get listings of the current directory and its
sub-directory, but not of any other directories. So, if c:\mskermit is
the current directory on the DOS machine, a remote dir command will give
me a listing of c:\mskermit. Remote dir subdir1 will list the files in
c:\mskermit\subdir1. But, remote dir c:\subdir will also give a listing of
c:\mskermit.

Any ideas? Am I missing something very basic here, or is the a bug in Kermit 
3.13 I don't know about?

Thanks for any replies to here or by e-mail.

I will post the specific commands I use, if necessary.


Ute
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Auto-TCP/IP addresses
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In article <45jkf0$5i3@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net> writes:
> I have been using bootp from a Unixware 1.1.3 server to set the TCP address
> on MSKermit 3.14.  This is a little tedious when adding new PC, but it's
> okay.  
> Now I have a PC that has been in use for Novell, with IPXODI, just like all 
> the others, but had not been used for Kermit.
> It doesn't want to play with bootp...
> 
> The sequence I had been following was to manually set tcp addr to an unused
> address, login to UNIX, run arp-a to find the hardware address, and edit my
> bootptab.
> 
> Following that scenario with this machine leaves me with an in.bootpd
> running, but MSKermit times out.
> 
> Is there debugging for bootp, like there is for the telnet session?
> 
> I recall seeing a script to assign TCP addresses for MSKermit, but I can't
> locate that now.  I thought I had saved it, but used bootp instead.
> If I could find the script, I'd just use it.  We don't care about the
> addresses used, and only have two UNIX boxes on the net.
> 
> -- 
> ---
> Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
>                 - Pope Valley & Napa CA.
------------
	I don't follow you. To use bootp with MSK say SET TCP ADDRESS BOOTP.
To use Kermit over ODI please see the release docs for example NET.CFG files.
IPXODI is Novell-only; it is not part of ODI though it uses ODI the same as
Kermit does. A NetWare server or any other IP router carrying bootp requests
off the local wire requires a bootp helper to route the request and the
response; see netlab2.usu.edu, cd misc.
	Joe D.

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Subject: Auto-TCP/IP addresses
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I have been using bootp from a Unixware 1.1.3 server to set the TCP address
on MSKermit 3.14.  This is a little tedious when adding new PC, but it's
okay.  
Now I have a PC that has been in use for Novell, with IPXODI, just like all 
the others, but had not been used for Kermit.
It doesn't want to play with bootp...

The sequence I had been following was to manually set tcp addr to an unused
address, login to UNIX, run arp-a to find the hardware address, and edit my
bootptab.

Following that scenario with this machine leaves me with an in.bootpd
running, but MSKermit times out.

Is there debugging for bootp, like there is for the telnet session?

I recall seeing a script to assign TCP addresses for MSKermit, but I can't
locate that now.  I thought I had saved it, but used bootp instead.
If I could find the script, I'd just use it.  We don't care about the
addresses used, and only have two UNIX boxes on the net.

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org (Christoph Badura)
Subject: Re: is there any effect of ANDing a byte with 0377 (octal)?
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Why "Distribution: usa?"  Do you think we Europeans can't answer that
question?

In <45ja2n$mqq@cnj.digex.net> hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) writes:
>In one communcation software I work with, I see that  before transmiting
>some chars., they are ANDed with '0377' (octal 377) which  is 011 111 111.
>It seems that it will just leave the 8-bit byte as is.

Assuming that your communications software is written in C I can think
of two possible reasons.

1) Assuring that it is indeed an 8 bit character.  The C language
doesn't specify the number of bits in a char. (Ansi C provides the
CHAR_BIT (sp?) #defined constant, though.)  I believe some machines
had 9 bit characters.

2) KNR C parameter passing.  In KNR C there's no way to pass a char
parameter to a function.  It gets automatically promoted to int.
Further, chars might be signed or unsigned quantities.  If a "signed"
char has the high bit set it is sign-extended when passed to function
or assigned to an int.

-- 
Christoph Badura	bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org		+49 721 606137

Es genuegt nicht, keine Gedanken zu haben;
man muss auch unfaehig sein, sie auszudruecken.  - Karl Kraus

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From: Gerry Jensen <gerry@blue.intele.net>
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Subject: how to make kermit answer?
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I want to transfer files between 2 PCs using Kermit over the 
phone. What do I need to do to make one of the Kermits answer 
the phone?

Thanks,
Gerry
gerry@blue.intele.net

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <45m28r$pft@ns1.nba.TRW.COM>, Karen Hunter <karen.hunter@qmail4.sp.trw.com> writes:
> I would like to know where I can get
> Kermit for a VAX VMS system.  We have a
> product on our system called VMS Kermit-32, with
> no documentation, just the executable file.
> 
> I would like to up/download files from my
> Macintosh using White Knight s/w and Kermit
> on the Vax.  
> 
> Can anyone help me?  
> Thanks,
> Karen Hunter
----------------
	Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/ckermit. There
are ready-built versions of CKermit (which is what you want) for VMS
variations. Choose one that fits. Please do discard that ancient Bliss
Kermit-32 item; it is far outclassed by the current C Kermit 5A(190).
	Joe D.

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Who can help me for getting dos kermit c source code?
I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code 
via archie or net serach.

Thanks!



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	I have been trying to get mskermit 3.14 to work with an old 
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Same as above message. :)

Need to encode (I think) some bianary files and send to mail only local 
servcer.

Thanks!

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From: Karen Hunter <karen.hunter@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM>
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I would like to know where I can get
Kermit for a VAX VMS system.  We have a
product on our system called VMS Kermit-32, with
no documentation, just the executable file.

I would like to up/download files from my
Macintosh using White Knight s/w and Kermit
on the Vax.  

Can anyone help me?  
Thanks,
Karen Hunter



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Subject: Two problems with OS/2 ckermit.
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I have two problems with OS/2 ckermit, and I have looked into the ckermit
manual.

We are connected to a vax main frame and I use vt220 emulation. The program
that I use on the mainframe has an option to print to a device. One of the
devices is to printer attached to the pc. WHen you using this option I get
nothing but garbage in ckermit for os2, but it works like a charm with the
terminal program that comes with windoze. Any ideals.

Also when trying to capture data, I get all the vt control characters. How
can you get a clean screen or data caputre. 

Thanks,

Helen


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From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman)
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Subject: Kermit Mail Command Question
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Does Kermit's "Mail" command allow multiple addressees? Is there a way to 
influence any of the RFC-822 message headers?

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Mike Freeman            |       Internet: mikef@pacifier.com
GEnie: M.FREEMAN11      |       Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ
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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:

: 	I don't follow you. To use bootp with MSK say SET TCP ADDRESS BOOTP.

I do "set tcp address bootp" in all of my PCs.
The latest one doesn't want to play, though.

Since I don't particularly care which PC gets which address, I thought I
would use the script that was posted here to "assign" TCP addresses on the
fly.  I don't recall the logic involved with that script.

I think I will just put a "set tcp addr ..." appropriately in each PC
in individual mscustom.ini files.

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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In article <1995Oct13.132845.22184@mercury.ncat.edu>,
 <hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu> wrote:
>I have two problems with OS/2 ckermit, and I have looked into the ckermit
>manual.
>
What version of OS/2 C-Kermit?  The current version is 5A(191):

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip

>We are connected to a vax main frame and I use vt220 emulation. The program
>that I use on the mainframe has an option to print to a device. One of the
>devices is to printer attached to the pc. WHen you using this option I get
>nothing but garbage in ckermit for os2, but it works like a charm with the
>terminal program that comes with windoze. Any ideals.
>
First make sure you have the current version.  Then if there is still a
problem, collect a session log, uuencode it, and mail it to:

  kermit-support@columbia.edu

>Also when trying to capture data, I get all the vt control characters. How
>can you get a clean screen or data caputre. 
>
Use SET PRINTER to redirect your printer to a file, and then use screen
capture or controller print (documented in the CKERMIT.INF file, which you
can view using C-Kermit's built-in UPDATES command).

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <45md0i$ek4@pacifier.com>, Mike Freeman <mikef@pacifier.com> wrote:
>Does Kermit's "Mail" command allow multiple addressees?
>
Yes.  Just separate them by commas.

>Is there a way to influence any of the RFC-822 message headers?
>
No.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3080422B.2574@blue.intele.net>,
Gerry Jensen  <gerry@blue.intele.net> wrote:
>I want to transfer files between 2 PCs using Kermit over the 
>phone. What do I need to do to make one of the Kermits answer 
>the phone?
>
This is covered in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Chapter 11,
pages 113-118.

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn
  on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada,
		       Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time)
    +1 617 928 2613   (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info)
    +44 1933 414000   (Rushden, England distribution centre for
		       UK & Europe)
    +44 1865 310366   (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept)
    +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ)
    +65 356-1968      (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore,
		       Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand)
    +27 031-294247    (Durban office for South Africa)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany
    (1991), 414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for
    the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including
    German-language help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price:
    DM 69,00.  ISBN 3-88229-006-4.  Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG,
    Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.  Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0,
    Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29.

  And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer
    & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.  Packaged with version 3.11 of
    MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch
    diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.
    Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles.
    Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71.

The French version is also available from Columbia University: $36.95.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: how to get  DOS kermit c source code?
Date: 15 Oct 1995 17:06:15 GMT
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In article <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn>,  <ymgao@sun.ihep.ac.cn> wrote:
>Who can help me for getting dos kermit c source code?
>I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code 
>via archie or net serach.
>
Believe it or not, MS-DOS Kermit is not written in C.  It is written
primarily in 8086 assembly language.

I wonder why you want the source code.  Would it have anything to do
with Chinese language support?  If so, you should read the article in
Kermit News #6 called "Circumnavigating the Web with MS-DOS Kermit".
Among other things, it tells how to do Chinese terminal emulation with
MS-DOS Kermit.

Also, you might be interested that an older version of MS-DOS Kermit,
2.32, was completely converted to Chinese language to run under CC-DOS
at Zhezhiang University.  You can read about this in Kermit News #5.

Kermit News issues are available as follows:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/news.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/news*.txt (and .ps)

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can Kermit uuencode and send to mail
Date: 15 Oct 1995 17:08:50 GMT
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In article <45po9p$qpn@news.ios.com>, Andre Ferchau <ferchaa@ios.com> wrote:
>Same as above message. :)
>Need to encode (I think) some bianary files and send to mail only local 
>servcer.
>
No, Kermit cannot uuencode.  But yes, it can send files as mail, using
the MAIL command, with a Kermit program in SERVER or RECEIVE mode on the
other end.

Unfortunately, most mail clients cannot deal directly with binary files.
So you will have to uuencode binary files first before you mail them.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: how to get  DOS kermit c source code?
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In article <45pk9f$so3@info.bta.net.cn>, ymgao@sun.ihep.ac.cn writes:
> Who can help me for getting dos kermit c source code?
> I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code 
> via archie or net serach.
-----------
	The only Columbia Univ DOS Kermit is MS-DOS Kermit. It is mostly
assembler plus the TCP/IP part is in C. It is fully copyrighted and thus
one can't steal the source code without legal agreement.
        Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can Kermit send bianry as uuencode to my mail address?
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In article <45pcjc$jd9@news.ios.com>, ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) writes:
> I wasn't clear enough.. I have only EMAIL or the local machine...no 
> kermit.  Hence the problem.
> 
> I've tried Kermit through Gopher, but I don't think the 8 bits get 
> through and when I've started a Telnet connection with 'Binary' it chokes.
> 
> Simply said There I have a Unix account, here I have E-mail only.
------------
	Please tell me what Kermit has to do with the situation. You
have Email only, and Kermit is not an Email program. Email is not an
interactive situation (so do you really mean Email?) You should consider
finding an FTPMAIL site which will mail you binary files in uuencoded
form or use just ftp. Otherwise, I suggest you contact the system manager
of the Unix machine about giving you interactive access.
        Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: how to make kermit answer?
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In article <3080422B.2574@blue.intele.net>, Gerry Jensen <gerry@blue.intele.net> writes:
> I want to transfer files between 2 PCs using Kermit over the 
> phone. What do I need to do to make one of the Kermits answer 
> the phone?
> 
> Thanks,
> Gerry
> gerry@blue.intele.net
-----------
	Your modem has to answer the call. Please read the release
documentation shipped with Kermit, and the manual for your modem. See
the modem's ATS0=digit command. See Kermit's SERVER command.
	Joe D.

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From: bmorg@hooked.net  (Byron Morgan)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: How can I do "Screen scraping" with C-Kermit?
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I would like to convert a Procomm program I wrote to C-Kermit. An essential 
part of the script checks several specific screen addresses for content, looking
for updates. Procomm has a function (termgets) for this, but I am unable to 
locate any such in "Using C-Kermit". Any hints would be greatly appreciated.

TIA,

Byron Morgan, San Francisco

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From: herrera@canaima.ME.Berkeley.EDU (Ramon F Herrera)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: kermit: please don't drop DTR
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Is there any way to tell kermit NOT to drop DTR when the user quits?

I am using kermit just to dial to an Internet Service Provider,
and therefore after quitting, the phone call should not be dropped.

After kermit ends, I grab the IP address from the kermit log and
start the SLIP daemon.

Later, when all Internet exchange is done, I need to tell the
serial port to drop DTR so the modems hangs up.

I guess that if the port is set up with the HUPCL parameter,
what I really need is to ask kermit not to close the file (port).

Should I look for this line, comment it out, and recompile kermit?:

close("/dev/tty0");

Or should I set the port to -HUPCL, run kermit, quit, and then change
the setting to +HUPCL?

Any other suggestions or comments?

Regards,

-Ramon Herrera


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Subject: Re: kermit: please don't drop DTR
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In article <45pc8d$r0i@agate.berkeley.edu>,
Ramon F Herrera <herrera@canaima.ME.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
: Is there any way to tell kermit NOT to drop DTR when the user quits?
: 
: I am using kermit just to dial to an Internet Service Provider,
: and therefore after quitting, the phone call should not be dropped.
: 
: After kermit ends, I grab the IP address from the kermit log and
: start the SLIP daemon.
: 
: Later, when all Internet exchange is done, I need to tell the
: serial port to drop DTR so the modems hangs up.
: 
: I guess that if the port is set up with the HUPCL parameter,
: what I really need is to ask kermit not to close the file (port).
: 
: Should I look for this line, comment it out, and recompile kermit?:
: 
: close("/dev/tty0");
: 
: Or should I set the port to -HUPCL, run kermit, quit, and then change
: the setting to +HUPCL?
: 
: Any other suggestions or comments?
: 
Long question, short answer:

It is a fundamental property of UNIX that when a program exits, either
explicitly (_exit()) or implicitly, all of the files that is opened are
closed.  UNIX does this even if the program doesn't.

One way to accomplish what you want to do is to have a superior process
open the port, pass its file descriptor to Kermit (see the documentation),
and then when Kermit exits the superior process still has it open.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How can I do "Screen scraping" with C-Kermit?
Date: 16 Oct 1995 15:12:36 GMT
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In article <45rqj4$ghm@its.hooked.net>, Byron Morgan <bmorg@hooked.net> wrote:
: I would like to convert a Procomm program I wrote to C-Kermit. An
: essential part of the script checks several specific screen addresses
: for content, looking for updates. Procomm has a function (termgets) for
: this, but I am unable to locate any such in "Using C-Kermit". Any hints
: would be greatly appreciated.
: 
None of the Kermit programs presently implements this feature in precisely
that form.  However, if you can be more specific about which Kermit
program you are talking about, and exactly what the effect is you are
trying to achieve, maybe we can be more helpful.

- Frank

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: testing
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Testing, please ignore.
Local post


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): 
   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip 
   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

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From: ute@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov (Ute R. Willmore)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: remote directory and such
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Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
: 	As I recall, that's a bug in MSK v3.13 having to do with ensuring
: a "\" path separator is always present. Alas, it could be inserted twice
: and confuse DOS. The industry standard advice applies here "Please upgrade
: to the latest version."

Thanks, Joe. Seems you were right on the money. I've been fiddleing around
with it and found that using \\ does the trick. I will try to convince people to
upgrade to 3.14, but that may take a while. 


Ute
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From: ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can Kermit send bianry as uuencode to my mail address?
Date: 14 Oct 1995 22:11:56 GMT
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I wasn't clear enough.. I have only EMAIL or the local machine...no 
kermit.  Hence the problem.

I've tried Kermit through Gopher, but I don't think the 8 bits get 
through and when I've started a Telnet connection with 'Binary' it chokes.

Simply said There I have a Unix account, here I have E-mail only.

Thanks!




Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
: In article <45koqk$ld0@news.ios.com>, ferchaa@ios.com (Andre Ferchau) writes:
: > I have a local e-mail address and a Unizx account in another state.  
: > Ascii text is easy to mail to myself but getting files is darn near 
: > impossible.
: > 
: > I've tried FTP by mai..but I think servers keep changing and I've lost 
: > interest as it has continually not worked...plus the delay of cueing mean 
: > I try and wait , etc.
: > 
: > So I looked at Kermit which will run from the Unix server.  I log on to 
: > the Unix through gopher/telnet and then can start Kermit.  If I could get 
: > Kermit to encode and then send the uuencoded file to my mail that would 
: > really  help!
: > 
: > 
: > Or any other method might be nice :)!
: > Thank you
: > Andre
: --------------
: 	Have you considered the straight forward method of Kermit to Kermit
: file transfers? They work, text and binary, 7 or 8-bit channels, no uuencode
: necessary. I don't know the kind of local machine you are using, but there's
: a Columbia Kermit for it. Please see kermit.columiba.edu for the master
: archive.
: 	Joe D.

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From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith)
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Subject: MSK 3.14: set printer lpt1:
Date: 16 Oct 1995 11:52:04 -0400
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If I give the command

   set printer lpt1:

to MSK 3.14 it dumps a bunch of gibberish to my screen.  I get this effect
even if I start kermit with no initialization file

   kermit -f nul

or with an initialization file that installs the patches for 21 May 1994
(patch level 9) and does nothing else.

The gibberish appears to be an attempt to print an error message that isn't
there so MSK dumps whatever is there up to the first null.  If I omit the
colon MSK responds as expected.
-- 
 
 Mike Smith                                  mike@ccs.queensu.ca
 Queen's University                          Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA
 Computing and Communications Services       (613) 545-2024

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From: mbguest@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us (Matthew B. Guest)
Subject: MSKERMIT3.14 and CGA 
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	I have bought a B200 laptop. This is a 80C88 processor with a CGA 
LCD screen.  MSKERMIT can talk to the modem and dial out. But, I get no 
characters echoed to the screen. If I set local echo on, I can see the 
characters I type. But, nothing the modem should echo comes thru. I have 
set the modem to echo. What can I do?. Do I need an earlier version of 
MSKERMIT?


-- 
Matt- Linux help by e-mail
Advocating Linux and OS/2 for the Indian Wells Valley


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UPDATEE

Wll, I got uuencode to work and ended up with a 8.uue file.
It would be simple..:) to mail it but my mail receiver won't accept
big mail.  ~ 100K +.  So I tried to split it.  and then the mail went
somewhere but not to the mail address.  And no failed mail post to Pine..
*hit :)
It could better...:)
 


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MSKERMIT3.14 and CGA 
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In article <1995Oct15.163725.3281@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us>, mbguest@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us (Matthew B. Guest) writes:
> 	I have bought a B200 laptop. This is a 80C88 processor with a CGA 
> LCD screen.  MSKERMIT can talk to the modem and dial out. But, I get no 
> characters echoed to the screen. If I set local echo on, I can see the 
> characters I type. But, nothing the modem should echo comes thru. I have 
> set the modem to echo. What can I do?. Do I need an earlier version of 
> MSKERMIT?
---------
Matt,
	Your machine has contracted a classical case of "talk but can't
listen." It is discussed in the release notes accompanying MS-DOS Kermit.
Please review them and apply the recommended medicines. The most common
problem is an IRQ line being used by two or more devices; only one may
be connected to each IRQ wire.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <45tv34$pq5@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>, mike@post.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) writes:
> If I give the command
> 
>    set printer lpt1:
> 
> to MSK 3.14 it dumps a bunch of gibberish to my screen.  I get this effect
> even if I start kermit with no initialization file
> 
>    kermit -f nul
> 
> or with an initialization file that installs the patches for 21 May 1994
> (patch level 9) and does nothing else.
> 
> The gibberish appears to be an attempt to print an error message that isn't
> there so MSK dumps whatever is there up to the first null.  If I omit the
> colon MSK responds as expected.
------------
	Uh oh. Yes, a message that lives in a different data segment than
expected, hence gibberish. Sorry about that.
	Thanks,
	Joe D.

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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
> In article <45pc8d$r0i@agate.berkeley.edu>,
> Ramon F Herrera <herrera@canaima.ME.Berkeley.EDU> wrote:
> : Is there any way to tell kermit NOT to drop DTR when the user quits?
> : Any other suggestions or comments?

> One way to accomplish what you want to do is to have a superior process
> open the port, pass its file descriptor to Kermit (see the documentation),
> and then when Kermit exits the superior process still has it open.

    I use Kermit under Linux to dial, and then I PUSH instead of EXITing from
    Kermit to start up ppp.

Steve

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Lehigh University Computing Center
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From: bmorg@hooked.net  (Byron Morgan)
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Subject: Re: How can I do "Screen scraping" with C-Kermit?
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In <45tsp4$26k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>None of the Kermit programs presently implements this feature in precisely
>that form.  However, if you can be more specific about which Kermit
>program you are talking about, and exactly what the effect is you are
>trying to achieve, maybe we can be more helpful.
>
>- Frank

Frank,
I am using OS2 CKO191(A). Using a direct RS232 connection to an old DEC
machine. The system posts subway train destination information to a monitor
screen. Each of 20 subway station platforms is represented by a specific screen
area. The application I would like to use C-Kermit for would check the 
appropriate screen addresses for train information, store the information in
variables, then periodically (every 5 seconds, for example) check each screen
location for changed information. If this can not be done with C-Kermit, I 
suppose it could be done with REXX, which I have never used.

Byron Morgan

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In article <45vfo6$8ik@its.hooked.net>,
Byron Morgan <bmorg@hooked.net> wrote:
: In <45tsp4$26k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
: > None of the Kermit programs presently implements this feature in
: > precisely that form.  However, if you can be more specific about which
: > Kermit program you are talking about, and exactly what the effect is
: > you are trying to achieve, maybe we can be more helpful.
: 
: I am using OS2 CKO191(A). Using a direct RS232 connection to an old DEC
: machine. The system posts subway train destination information to a
: monitor screen. Each of 20 subway station platforms is represented by a
: specific screen area. The application I would like to use C-Kermit for
: would check the appropriate screen addresses for train information,
: store the information in variables, then periodically (every 5 seconds,
: for example) check each screen location for changed information. If this
: can not be done with C-Kermit, I suppose it could be done with REXX,
: which I have never used.
: 
Now that's a challenge.  And I take it that there is nothing in the actual
text that identifies which platform the train is on -- that would make it
too easy :-)  Of course, if that is true, then it is also hard to see how
a textual "trigger" would have helped.  Thus you have to know the screen
position of each piece of text.

OK, let's assume that the screen is updated in random fashion, but with
the constraint that each platform is done all at once, as follows:

  <cursor-position-sequence><text><some-other-escape-sequence>

There are 20 positions on the screen, so you need to be able to identify
twenty <cursor-position-sequence>'s.  Let's use the brute force method:

  define \%a \27[y1;x1H
  define \%b \27[y2;x2H
  define \%c \27[y3;x3H
  ...
  define \%t \27[y20;x20H

where the xn's and yn's are the column and row for each entry.  For
example, if the Platform 1 text appears in column 1, row 2:

  define \%a \27[2;1H

Suppose updates occur at least every 60 seconds.  So wait for one of these
sequences:

  minput 60 \%a \%b \%c ... \%t
  if fail stop 1 Something bad

If updates occur at irregular intervals, then you need not be so strict:



  minput 60 \%a \%b \%c ... \%t
  while FAILURE {
    echo Nothing happening at \v(time)...,-
    minput 60 \%a \%b \%c ... \%t -
  }

(or just increase the INPUT timeout to some big number).

Once you get this far, the \v(minput) variable contains the number, 1-20,
of item that was matched.  If the train platforms are numbered 1 through
20, you can arrange these variables correspondingly in the MINPUT command,
so the \v(minput) value will be the same as the platform number.  If not,
you can have a conversion function or lookup table (array).

Next, get the text:

  clear input   ; Clear out everything up to and including the escape sequence
  input 10 \27  ; Wait for the next ESC
  if fail stop 1 Something else bad ; Insert appropriate error handling
  assign \%z \v(input) ; Get a copy of the text
  assign \%z \fsubstring(\%z,\feval(\flength(\%z) - 1)) ; Discard the ESC

Now, hopefully, you have all the information you need:

 - \v(minput) contains a number 1 through 20 that tells which screen
   position the text came from, from which you can deduce the platform
   numbers.

 - \%z contains the corresponding text.
  
Let's say you also want to record the date and time that each entry was
picked up.

  declare \&d[20] ; Date/time array

and then:

  assign \%d[\v(minput)] \v(date) \v(time)

Put the whole thing in a big loop, and off you go.

This is all totally untested, so you'll need to do the debugging and
refinement.  Be sure to post the result!

- Frank

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Testing, please ignore...,.

- Max


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Lanwp - and using ip names (as opposed to numbers)
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In article <1995Oct18.092359.1@hujicc>, naomir1@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
> Hello Kermit users,
> We use kermit with lan workplace, and therefore connect with
> the command
> set po tel xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
> 
> Where the x's are the ip number.  Our  network adminstrator has requested
> that we rely on the nameserver to supply ip addresses, however I have not
> found a way to use the set po tel command and supply the name as opposed
> to the number.  (For those not needing lanwp, there is no problem
> set po tcp allows for ip name addresses)
> 
> Any suggestions.
> 
> We have just started switching people from 3.13 to 3.14 and answer
> to both versions would be appreciated.
---------------
	I think we covered this in the MSK release documenation. The
answer is yes. Novell's Domain Name Server procedures live separately
from their TCP/IP stack, alas. To engage DNS lookups start a connection
with TELAPI loaded and transitory helper program TSU available.
	Then use the Kermit macro "telapi" (could have chosen another
name) below to start a connection by IP name:

define telapi run tsu -o \%1 -p \%2 k1,run tsu -a k1 1,set port nov

Run it as   telapi that.host.domain optional-port-number
such as	    telapi vms.huji.ac.il
	Other sessions can be started to other fake-serial ports (k1, 1
idents above), if you read the docs on Novell TSU's command line interface.
	Joe D. 

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Subject: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8
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I love MS-DOS Kermit 3.14!  I prefer it to all other telecommunications
programs.  Its VT-series terminal emulation is unrivaled.  I tell everyone
I know that Kermit is faster than Zmodem.  I own the book.  And I don't do
Windows. 

I've been using MS-DOS Kermit's built-in TCP/IP in tandem with the
SLIP8250 packet driver for about a year.  Unfortunately, my Internet
service provider perodically "breaks" my SLIP account, and getting them to
fix it has become extruciating.  They say they only support "modern" 
serial IP drivers.  Whenever I call to ask them to restore my SLIP
account, the first words out of their mouths are invariably always, "Ok,
go into File/Setup in Trumpet Winsock."  They have no patience for my
wanting plain, vanilla SLIP (not compressed) with a static IP address.  
You get the picture.

Can I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 with its built-in TCP/IP in conjunction with
a PPP driver and an ISP that insists on doling out IP addresses
dynamically?  If so, how? 

By the way, I'm curious:  Am I the only schlemiel still trying to run
TCP/IP over a serial line under MS-DOS (not Windows) on a 20 Mhz 80386SX
PC with a 40 MB hard drive who can't find an Internet service provider
that can cope with anything besides Trumpet Winsock or Windows 95? 


---
Jim Monty
monty@indirect.com
Tempe, Arizona USA

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Hello Kermit users,
We use kermit with lan workplace, and therefore connect with
the command
set po tel xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

Where the x's are the ip number.  Our  network adminstrator has requested
that we rely on the nameserver to supply ip addresses, however I have not
found a way to use the set po tel command and supply the name as opposed
to the number.  (For those not needing lanwp, there is no problem
set po tcp allows for ip name addresses)

Any suggestions.

We have just started switching people from 3.13 to 3.14 and answer
to both versions would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance for your help

Naomi


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On a sort of related note--is there a way to script a print-through 
session?  I have just started trying to do this (and yes, I have ordered 
the manual, but I have no idea when it'll get here) and it seems that I 
cannot use script commands and a terminal emulation at the same 
time--thus I can't just activate the print-through with my script and 
have it captured with "set printer".  Or can I?

This spawns two general questions:
1.  Is  there script archive anywhere?
2.  Is there a way to send commands to a terminal session (as opposed to 
a "raw data" session)?  Must my script detect the escape codes and 
toggle capturing itself?

I apologize if this is indeed a stupid question.  I'd love to RTFM, but 
I'm under pressure to get this done and I don't know when the FM will be 
here :).  Thanks for any help.


-- 
George H. Payne
Law Information Technology and Communications
UVa Law School


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Problems using Kermit with PCMCIA Modems
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In article <462ql7$pb6@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> writes:
> We are unable to connect to a remote site calling in to kermit when we 
> are using a PCMCIA modem on a laptop (e.g., Hayes OPTIMA 144 +FAX for 
> PCMCIA).  Although we are able to use the same modem to connect to 
> CompuServe and even use Kermit to call a remote site and transfer a file. 
>  The problem we have is that we see the word RING but never see CONNECT 

	So the modem hasn't answered the phone yet. ATS0=<non-zero digit>
is the way to tell it to answer incoming calls, naturally.

> 9600.  We are using Kermit Version 3.14 and have the same version 
> installed on a desktop PC with a Hayes External Optima 144 + fax modem 
> which has no problems connecting to the remote site.
> 
> Another strange item is that when we go into connect mode on the laptop 
> and try to evaluate registers on the modem (e.g., ATS0 or ATS86) or 
> execute any command we get "+++ ATH0" back and not the contents of the 
> register.

	Sure looks as if you have other software banging on the modem
at the same time (Fax??). Have a look for competing software.
 
> We also converted MSKERMIT.INI and MSCUSTOM.INI to be all upper case.

	No need for Kermit. But your modem may be one which is less than
clever and require AT commands in upper case only.
 
> Any ideas on how to resolve this problem? Does Kermit have known problems 
> with PCMCIA Modems?

	PCMCIA anythings have trouble with computers is the proper description
of such difficulties. It's not Kermit, it's the total confusion and muddle of
the sundry PCMCIA components. Kermit is unaware of PCMCIA and has no need to
be aware of that stuff.
	Joe D.

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Joe,

Thanks for the response.  We will try setting ATSO to a non zero number.

Rich


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8
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In article <464hki$e3c@globe.indirect.com>, monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes:
> On 18 Oct 95 07:58:11 MDT, Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
>> 	Yes, but. Yes if it is a Telebit PPP driver. Yes but not dynamic
>> IP if it is Novell's SLIP_PPP driver. Else probably not.
> 
> Telebit?  Isn't that the name of a modem manufacturer?  How might I lay 
> my hands on the Telebit PPP driver?  Do I need to have a Telebit modem 
> and/or some other proprietary network software to use this driver?

	Yes, the modem maker. You will have to ask Telebit about their
sales policies. We use a bunch in our campus modem pool, and I have a
personal unit too.
 
>> and there is how to grab the given IP number and feed it into Kermit.
> 
> Is this something that can be done "manually"?  I mean, could I simply 
> look at the IP address that is assigned and reported when I log into my 
> SLIP account, then escape to the Kermit command prompt and type
> 
>         SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 165.247.1.123
> 
> for example?  Is it that simple?

	Could be. I have not the slightest idea of what your service
provider is doing to supply the IP number and thus I won't guess here.
	Joe D. 

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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Text-mode net access (was: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8)
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In article <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com>,
Jim Monty <monty@indirect.com> wrote:
: I love MS-DOS Kermit 3.14!  I prefer it to all other telecommunications
: programs.  Its VT-series terminal emulation is unrivaled.  I tell
: everyone I know that Kermit is faster than Zmodem.  I own the book.  And
: I don't do Windows.
: 
Thanks!  But...  :-)

: I've been using MS-DOS Kermit's built-in TCP/IP in tandem with the
: SLIP8250 packet driver for about a year.  Unfortunately, my Internet
: service provider perodically "breaks" my SLIP account, and getting them
: to fix it has become extruciating.  They say they only support "modern"
: serial IP drivers.  Whenever I call to ask them to restore my SLIP
: account, the first words out of their mouths are invariably always, "Ok,
: go into File/Setup in Trumpet Winsock."  They have no patience for my
: wanting plain, vanilla SLIP (not compressed) with a static IP address.
: You get the picture.
: 
: Can I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 with its built-in TCP/IP in conjunction
: with a PPP driver and an ISP that insists on doling out IP addresses
: dynamically?  If so, how?
: 
This is an FAQ, but unfortunately, one to which we don't have a good
answer.  I hope somebody out there will pipe up with a PPP configuration
that works.  Meanwhile, we have had good reports about the CSLIP driver,
I think it's called CSLIPPER -- maybe that will help?

: By the way, I'm curious:  Am I the only schlemiel still trying to run
: TCP/IP over a serial line under MS-DOS (not Windows) on a 20 Mhz 80386SX
: PC with a 40 MB hard drive who can't find an Internet service provider
: that can cope with anything besides Trumpet Winsock or Windows 95? 
: 
I hope not, but I'd be interested to hear responses from others on this
topic.  It has far-reaching implications, not only for us Kermit
aficionados, but for the world at large.  Here is one slightly pessimistic
way of looking at it:

Over its first twenty years, the net (first the ARPAnet, then the
Internet) was an incredibly valuable tool for cooperation, collaboration,
mutual help, research and development, standards generation, and
innovation.  "Content" was constantly being added to it -- software, all
kinds of information, discussions of new ideas, etc.  Most of this content
came in the form of text: source code, prose, bibliographic information,
messages, email, conferences, etc.

Then, at some point in the recent past, the net became the Information
Superhighway -- an object of commerce and mass consumerism.  Which is not
a bad thing: it's a kind of public recognition of all the hard work and
deep thought that went into building the net and building up its vast
resources of content.

But at the same, the net became "easy to use".  To grossly simplify what
this means: one no longer actively accesses the net in "read/write" mode;
rather, one passively points and clicks on things.  Most of the modern net
access software is designed to extract things from the net, rather than
add things to it.  It's as if the content had become frozen in time,
except, of course, for all the commercial offerings.  It's like a museum,
in which everybody looks at the items on display and then stops at the
gift shop on the way out and spends a pile of money.  Soon, even the items
on display will lose their attraction, and we will be left with nothing
but an electronic shopping mall.

There has been a lot of discussion in various fora (sorry, forums) to the
effect that "text is dead".  I, for one, would like to think calmer heads
will prevail.  NOTHING can replace text, because anything that you can
think of depends on some particular interpreter that runs only on some
specific operating-system/hardware-platform, and all of these items become
obsolete with amazing speed in today's fast-paced marketplace.

Take e-mail as an example.  Why are we still stuck with a primitive 7-bit
ASCII form of exchange?  Because nothing else works.  Everything else, at
best, depends on viewers and interpreters that the recipient probably does
not have because they are platform-dependent (MIME or no MIME), and at
worst, doesn't even get delivered because of transparency problems.

200 years from now, if anybody happens to have carried this message
forward across the many changes that will have occurred in storage media,
nobody will have any trouble reading it.  I don't think you can say the
same for any other form of electronically stored information.

Which brings us back to the original posting.  Internet Service Providers
should not be quite so quick to lock out people who wish to access the net
text mode, because those are the very people who are most likely to keep
adding content and value to the net (unless your definition of "value"
happens to include surreptitiously scanned-in centerfold pictures :-)

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can Kermit Print?  Another question.
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In article <DGnuA2.ECB@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ghp5h@virginia.edu (George H. Payne) writes:
> On a sort of related note--is there a way to script a print-through 
> session?  I have just started trying to do this (and yes, I have ordered 
> the manual, but I have no idea when it'll get here) and it seems that I 
> cannot use script commands and a terminal emulation at the same 
> time--thus I can't just activate the print-through with my script and 
> have it captured with "set printer".  Or can I?
> 
> This spawns two general questions:
> 1.  Is  there script archive anywhere?
> 2.  Is there a way to send commands to a terminal session (as opposed to 
> a "raw data" session)?  Must my script detect the escape codes and 
> toggle capturing itself?
> 
> I apologize if this is indeed a stupid question.  I'd love to RTFM, but 
> I'm under pressure to get this done and I don't know when the FM will be 
> here :).  Thanks for any help.
> -- 
> George H. Payne
> Law Information Technology and Communications
> UVa Law School
--------------
	Scripts run at Kermit prompt level, not within terminal emulation.
However, you may define a Kermit macro to do just about anything (holds
any Kermit commands) and tie it to a Connect mode key. But please be aware
that Connect mode is not operating while at the Kermit prompt level and
hence there will be no transparent printing activity there.
	It's better to turn all this around and tell the remote host to
do the transparent printing work. That is, have a command file of some
kind on the host and run it. In turn that cmd file brackets the file to be
printed with the ESC [ 4/5 i transparent printing control sequences. If
that command file were named  tprint.com  then invoke it as say 
"tprint filename." Kermit would be in Connect mode the whole time.
	Another alternative is to just transfer the file from the host to
the printer using the Kermit file transfer protocol. The file destination
would be PRN or other suitable name. This approach is robust.
	Joe D.

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: how to get  DOS kermit c source code?
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In article <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>> I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code 
>> via archie or net serach.
>-----------
>	The only Columbia Univ DOS Kermit is MS-DOS Kermit. It is mostly
>assembler plus the TCP/IP part is in C. It is fully copyrighted and thus
>one can't steal the source code without legal agreement.
>        Joe D.

No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as
I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was
chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and
always will be".  (Or is my memory at fault here?)  I have nothing
against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the
name when the philosophy changed?

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [Q] Upload and Downdoad Files Via Kermit
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In article <465p1i$157@crcnis3.unl.edu>, chwu@unlgrad1.unl.edu (McGyver) writes:
> I just get a new kermit in my PC.  But I have no idea about it.  First of all
> I want to download and upload my file via Kermit.  Any help will be 
> appreciate.
-------------
	Homework assignment for you:
	1. Read the release documentation shipped with MS-DOS Kermit (presuming
that's what you have) or CKermit (presuming that's what you have).
	2. Obtain a copy of the book "Using MS-DOS (or C) Kermit", as detailed
in the release notes and in the Help screens. Read it.
	3. Practice a tiny bit and enjoy.

	It won't happen unless you do it.
	Joe D.

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From: chwu@unlgrad1.unl.edu (McGyver)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: [Q] Upload and Downdoad Files Via Kermit
Date: 19 Oct 1995 14:57:54 GMT
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I just get a new kermit in my PC.  But I have no idea about it.  First of all
I want to download and upload my file via Kermit.  Any help will be 
appreciate.

Thanks.


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit-"scripts"?
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In article <4643shF9md@uni-erlangen.de>, fp131@fim.uni-erlangen.de (Alexander Kochinka) writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> I use MS-DOS "kermit" (V 3.11) as terminal program and I wonder,
> if you can write a kind of "scipts" within it, which automates
> the login-process, or even automates a whole mail
> download/upload session. Some first attempts using the heavy
> manual failed due to my ignorance.
> Is anyone out there who can give my some hints? If anyone has
> written something similar, he or she could mail it to me (don't
> forget to erase your passwords ;).
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> and I apologize if that isn't the right usenet-group for my
> question,
> 
> Alexander
> -- 
------------
	The current release is version 3.14, which you may obtain across
the Internet from directory kermit/msdos on kermit.columbia.edu, file
msvibm.zip.
	Yes, you can do all of those things, and a great deal more. The
current version of MS-DOS Kermit has many more and more powerful script
commands as well. There is a good guide to these commands: the user's
manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit." Lots of examples and explanation.
You will find complete references to the book and publisher in the above
quick-start kit and on screen two of the Help command of MSK v3.14.
	Joe D.

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From: ute@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov (Ute R. Willmore)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: More C-kermit questions
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Okay so I figured out how to put my DOS box into server mode from my UNIX
box using C-kermit and the get a directory listing from the DOS box send over
to the UNIX box. I use something like this

echo "\033_server\033" ; kermit my_file > list

where my_file looks like this

remote dir <some directory name.
finish 
quit

I get the file transfer status display and after a few moments the system
beeps and presto my directory listing is in a file called list on my UNIX 
system.

BUT, and you knew there had to be a but, how do I turn of that display?
The manual says to type 

set file display quiet

and that works fine from the MS-Kermit prompt, but I need to do it from
C-kermit! I tried putting the line

remote set file display quiet 

in my_file, but get 'No keywords match display'.

I tried adding the command to the echo string, but that had no effect and
gave no message.

Can someone help, please?

Oh, and while we are at it, how do I turn the display back on once I got it
turned off?


Thanks a bunch for any replies, either here or via e-mail

Ute

PS: Yes, I know I should read Using C-Kermit and my Project Manager is trying
    to get me one.
--
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Life is a game that must be played.
The rules of the games are known to us as the Laws of Nature.


e-mail:  uwillmore@ftc.nrcs.usda.gov

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Autodial in Kermit 3.xx
Date: 20 Oct 1995 16:03:45 GMT
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In article <46719g$rpt@news-e1a.megaweb.com>,
Brett R. Bradshaw <bbradshaw@megaweb.com> wrote:
>I use kermit to dial only 1 number. Is it possible to make it 
>dial automatically when kermit is loaded. I have the connect 
>command initiated by the ini file then type ATDT8,xxxxxxx to 
>dial the number. There must be a way to automate this. Any 
>help is appreciated.
>
(a) It's always best when posting questions to mention what kind
    of computer you have, which operating system, and what version
    of Kermit software you are talking about.

(b) Assuming you are talking about MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit, most
    questions like this are answered explicitly or implicitly in the
    published documentation, which you should purchase.  Info below.

Briefly: just put "dial xxxxx" in your initialization file.

                               KERMIT BOOK LIST

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs
with DOS or Windows, is documented in:

    Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital
    Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
    1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM
    PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.  In computer and book
    stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press.

A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991),
    414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC,
    PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-
    language help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  ISBN
    3-88229-006-4.

And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition,
    Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.  Packaged with
    version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on
    a 5.25-inch diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre.  ISBN
    2-901143-20-2.

There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC
PC9801:

    Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today
    Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages.  ISBN
    4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS,
OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is documented in:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press
    / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN
    1-55558-108-0.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
    Columbia University or from Digital Press.

A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und
    Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).  ISBN
    3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book, which
also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data communications, and
using Kermit:

    Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press /
    Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN
    0-932376-88-6.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
    Columbia University or from Digital Press.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating systems is
available from Columbia University.  Contact Columbia for a free Kermit
software catalog.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                 HOW TO ORDER

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS:

   1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University:

          Kermit Development and Distribution
          Columbia University Academic Information Systems
          612 West 115th Street
          New York NY  10025-7721  USA
          Tel.  +1 212 854-3703, Fax   +1 212 663-8202
          E-Mail: kermit@columbia.edu

      Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Add $10 US PER BOOK for shipping
      outside of North America.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
      prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
      a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.  Quantity
      discounts are available.  Single-copy US prices (in US dollars):

          Using MS-DOS Kermit  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 36.95
          Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 36.95
          Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 32.95
          All three  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 85.00

      Or order direct from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann
      / Reed-Elsevier with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

  +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM)
  +1 617 928 2613   (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info)
  +44 1933 414000   (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe)
  +44 1865 310366   (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept)
  +65 356-1968      (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, ...)
  +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ)
  +27 (31) 2683111  (Durban office for South Africa)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS:

        MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: . . . . DM 79,00
        C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DM 88,00

        Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG
        Helstorfer Strasse 7
        D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY
        Tel.  +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax  +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

FRENCH:  Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi:  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  FF 495,00

        Heinz Schiefer & Cie.               Also available from
        45 rue Henri de Regnier             Columbia University,
        F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE          same price as English edition.
        Tel.  +33 39 53 95 26, Fax   +33 39 02 39 71

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

JAPANESE:  MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  1,800 Y

        Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd.
        Abe-toku Building
        2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku
        Tokyo 101, JAPAN
        Tel.  +81-3-3256-1091

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From: markb@dircon.co.uk (Mark Bolton)
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Subject: Info required
Date: 19 Oct 1995 22:49:14 GMT
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I'm not sure if this the right group to post this to, but I need some
technical info on how file transfers using Kermit, Xmodem and XON/XOFF
(ASCII) work. I know there must be lots of books out there but I need
the info rather quickly so I'm looking for WWW or FTP sites with this
information.

Yours hopefully,

Mark

-- 
Mark Bolton  - email: markb@dircon.co.uk   
-------------- janet: bm350@greenwich.ac.uk


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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: More C-kermit questions
Date: 20 Oct 1995 12:06:30 -0400
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In article <466k1v$94@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov>,
Ute R. Willmore <ute@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov> wrote:
: I get the file transfer status display and after a few moments the system
: beeps and presto my directory listing is in a file called list on my UNIX 
: system.
: 
: BUT, and you knew there had to be a but, how do I turn of that display?
: The manual says to type 
: 
set display display none

: Oh, and while we are at it, how do I turn the display back on once I got it
: turned off?
: 
set file display fullscreen (or whatever other kind you prefer).

- Frank

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From: Hannington Musinguzi <hanning@texel.com>
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I am trying to download files from a unix box running SCO and 
set to XModem. However, I am not able to run kermit and I get
a nasty error when I attempt to call rx from my box.

Someone help....

Han

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8
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In article <4622ht$fik@globe.indirect.com>, monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes:
> I love MS-DOS Kermit 3.14!  I prefer it to all other telecommunications
> programs.  Its VT-series terminal emulation is unrivaled.  I tell everyone
> I know that Kermit is faster than Zmodem.  I own the book.  And I don't do
> Windows. 
> 
> I've been using MS-DOS Kermit's built-in TCP/IP in tandem with the
> SLIP8250 packet driver for about a year.  Unfortunately, my Internet
> service provider perodically "breaks" my SLIP account, and getting them to
> fix it has become extruciating.  They say they only support "modern" 
> serial IP drivers.  Whenever I call to ask them to restore my SLIP
> account, the first words out of their mouths are invariably always, "Ok,
> go into File/Setup in Trumpet Winsock."  They have no patience for my
> wanting plain, vanilla SLIP (not compressed) with a static IP address.  
> You get the picture.
> 
> Can I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 with its built-in TCP/IP in conjunction with
> a PPP driver and an ISP that insists on doling out IP addresses
> dynamically?  If so, how? 

	Yes, but. Yes if it is a Telebit PPP driver. Yes but not dynamic
IP if it is Novell's SLIP_PPP driver. Else probably not.
	The reasons are twofold. The top end of the PPP driver must be
something that Kermit can deal with, such as a Ethernet/SLIP Packet Driver
interface or ODI. Then secondly, the dynamically assigned IP number
information has to be communicated to Kermit somehow, and there isn't
any standard on the matter. MSK knows how to work with Telebit's ODIPPP
driver for passing back the IP number, but that's all the information
I have.
	If your vendor supports bootp then that should take care of the
IP number problem.
	So, there is the PPP driver top level interface standard item,
and there is how to grab the given IP number and feed it into Kermit.
Luckily I don't have to use serial comms at my site and thus I do not
have a collection of PPP drivers to look at.
        Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: how to get  DOS kermit c source code?
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In article <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <1995Oct19.144139.64259@cc.usu.edu>,
> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
> 
>>> No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as
>>> I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was
>>> chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and
>>> always will be".  (Or is my memory at fault here?)  I have nothing
>>> against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the
>>> name when the philosophy changed?
> 
>>	With all due respect Les, you are wildly off base with that remark.
>>Columbia Kermits have never been "Public Domain"; the code is fully copyright.
>>The products are available to you free. The Kermit protocol is open and free
>>to everyone to use. The protocol does not mean the code and programs. Any 
>>trouble understanding that?
> 
> No, I don't have trouble understanding it, they just aren't free if
> you want to modify them and restribute them to do something useful,
> or to use them as part of a service.  In other words they are only
> free if you don't need them.

	No. Your statement can be read as "I want Kermit to be free
in the sense I can make money from it or use it to sell something
else which makes money for me, etc."  We have covered this ground
in detail over the past year or so. 
 
> Think back 10 years ago and consider which of "kermit" or "a full
> tcp/ip implementation" you would have expected to find included
> at no extra cost in small computer operating systems, which would
> be used more for dial-up communications, which would be available
> in source code with modifications for special purposes from
> many sources.

	See above since it's basically the same situation.

>  I guessed wrong.  And the difference is not in whether
> the code is copyrighted or not.  It has to do with which university
> owns the copyright and what the fine print says.  But I wish I could
> dig up those copies from the early eighties where the code was
> contributed from many sources and I thought the emphasis was on keeping
> it free so I could see if my memory is just getting hazy.
	Les, this is so vague as to be meaningless.
	Joe D.
 
> Les Mikesell
>   les@mcs.com

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From: Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Problems using Kermit with PCMCIA Modems
Date: 18 Oct 1995 12:07:02 GMT
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We are unable to connect to a remote site calling in to kermit when we 
are using a PCMCIA modem on a laptop (e.g., Hayes OPTIMA 144 +FAX for 
PCMCIA).  Although we are able to use the same modem to connect to 
CompuServe and even use Kermit to call a remote site and transfer a file. 
 The problem we have is that we see the word RING but never see CONNECT 
9600.  We are using Kermit Version 3.14 and have the same version 
installed on a desktop PC with a Hayes External Optima 144 + fax modem 
which has no problems connecting to the remote site.

Another strange item is that when we go into connect mode on the laptop 
and try to evaluate registers on the modem (e.g., ATS0 or ATS86) or 
execute any command we get "+++ ATH0" back and not the contents of the 
register.

We also converted MSKERMIT.INI and MSCUSTOM.INI to be all upper case.

Any ideas on how to resolve this problem? Does Kermit have known problems 
with PCMCIA Modems?

Thanks for any help in advance,
Rich Godlewsky  (76412.156@compuserve.com)
Sparta Systems


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Hi all,

I use MS-DOS "kermit" (V 3.11) as terminal program and I wonder,
if you can write a kind of "scipts" within it, which automates
the login-process, or even automates a whole mail
download/upload session. Some first attempts using the heavy
manual failed due to my ignorance.
Is anyone out there who can give my some hints? If anyone has
written something similar, he or she could mail it to me (don't
forget to erase your passwords ;).

Thanks in advance,
and I apologize if that isn't the right usenet-group for my
question,

Alexander
-- 

this problem? Does Kermit have known problems 
with PCMCIA Modems?

Thanks for any help in advance,
Rich Godlewsky  (76412.156@compuserve.com)
Sparta Systems


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: how to get  DOS kermit c source code?
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In article <465u7q$kpu@Mars.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu>,
> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>>> I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code 
>>> via archie or net serach.
>>-----------
>>	The only Columbia Univ DOS Kermit is MS-DOS Kermit. It is mostly
>>assembler plus the TCP/IP part is in C. It is fully copyrighted and thus
>>one can't steal the source code without legal agreement.
>>        Joe D.
> 
> No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as
> I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was
> chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and
> always will be".  (Or is my memory at fault here?)  I have nothing
> against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the
> name when the philosophy changed?
> 
> Les Mikesell
>   les@mcs.com
-----------
	With all due respect Les, you are wildly off base with that remark.
Columbia Kermits have never been "Public Domain"; the code is fully copyright.
The products are available to you free. The Kermit protocol is open and free
to everyone to use. The protocol does not mean the code and programs. Any 
trouble understanding that?
	Joe D.

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From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty)
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On 18 Oct 95 07:58:11 MDT, Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
> 	Yes, but. Yes if it is a Telebit PPP driver. Yes but not dynamic
> IP if it is Novell's SLIP_PPP driver. Else probably not.

Telebit?  Isn't that the name of a modem manufacturer?  How might I lay 
my hands on the Telebit PPP driver?  Do I need to have a Telebit modem 
and/or some other proprietary network software to use this driver?

> and there is how to grab the given IP number and feed it into Kermit.

Is this something that can be done "manually"?  I mean, could I simply 
look at the IP address that is assigned and reported when I log into my 
SLIP account, then escape to the Kermit command prompt and type

        SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 165.247.1.123

for example?  Is it that simple?


---
Jim Monty
monty@indirect.com
Tempe, Arizona USA

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Can somebody tell me how I can use Kermit for overnight dialling. I need 
to dial a large number of PC's from one central PC (All MS-DOS machines)


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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: how to get  DOS kermit c source code?
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In article <1995Oct19.144139.64259@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:

>> No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as
>> I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was
>> chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and
>> always will be".  (Or is my memory at fault here?)  I have nothing
>> against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the
>> name when the philosophy changed?

>	With all due respect Les, you are wildly off base with that remark.
>Columbia Kermits have never been "Public Domain"; the code is fully copyright.
>The products are available to you free. The Kermit protocol is open and free
>to everyone to use. The protocol does not mean the code and programs. Any 
>trouble understanding that?

No, I don't have trouble understanding it, they just aren't free if
you want to modify them and restribute them to do something useful,
or to use them as part of a service.  In other words they are only
free if you don't need them.

Think back 10 years ago and consider which of "kermit" or "a full
tcp/ip implementation" you would have expected to find included
at no extra cost in small computer operating systems, which would
be used more for dial-up communications, which would be available
in source code with modifications for special purposes from
many sources.  I guessed wrong.  And the difference is not in whether
the code is copyrighted or not.  It has to do with which university
owns the copyright and what the fine print says.  But I wish I could
dig up those copies from the early eighties where the code was
contributed from many sources and I thought the emphasis was on keeping
it free so I could see if my memory is just getting hazy.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos)
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In article <465u7q$kpu@mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell <les@MCS.COM> wrote:
:In article <1995Oct15.111935.63789@cc.usu.edu>,
:Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
:>> I only can get unix or vax kermit c source code 
:>> via archie or net serach.
:>-----------
:>	The only Columbia Univ DOS Kermit is MS-DOS Kermit. It is mostly
:>assembler plus the TCP/IP part is in C. It is fully copyrighted and thus
:>one can't steal the source code without legal agreement.
:>        Joe D.
:
:No matter how many times I see this it still grates on my nerves as
:I recall the old kermit documents that described how the name was
:chosen and said something to the effect that "kermit is free and
:always will be".  (Or is my memory at fault here?)  I have nothing
:against proprietary products, but couldn't you have changed the
:name when the philosophy changed?
:
:Les Mikesell
:  les@mcs.com

Kermit is free.  But that doesn't mean that the source code can't be
copyrighted.  Just because Kermit is available to everyone doesn't mean
that the source code is there to be butchered by everyone (at least not
without the author's consent).

The philosophy didn't change, just the times.

        --Jerry


-- 
8) Jerry Alexandratos                %  "Nothing inhabits my    (8 
8) darkstar@strauss.udel.edu         %   thoughts, and oblivion (8
8) darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu  %   drives my desires."    (8

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From: do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello)
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Subject: Is there a bug in fonction \Fcode(Char)
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Hello from France.

I think there is a bug into Kermit MS-DOS Version 3.14
The fonction \Fcode(Char) return the value 150 for a space as for u-circomflex

I try this :

define line ==   SERIAL NUMBER : D00536      ==
;
; Search for position of (:) into Line
assign Begin \Findex(:,\m(Ligne),1)
increment Begin
;
; Extract substring beginning after (:) to the end of Line into SN2End
assign SN2End \Fsubstr(\m(Line),\m(Begin),)
;
define \%n 1
:Bcl
assign Tmp \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1)
;
assign Ascii \Fcode(\m(Tmp))
echo {Char=\m(Tmp) Code=\m(Ascii)}
;
; Test if the character is a Space
if = \m(Ascii) 32 goto LenOK
increment \%n
goto Bcl
;
:LenOK
decrement \%n
assign SN \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),1,\%n)
echo Line=\M(Line)
echo {SN extracted from Line=\m(SN)}

There are spaces after D00536 into variable Line,
but the fonction \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) always return 150 when Tmp is a space.
So, I am not able to test where ends the serial number.

Is there a patch to correct this problem ?
Or is there any possibility to do this test another way ?

Best Regards

Dominique Ottello
do11@calvacom.fr


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From: jaypee@netcom.com (John Peterson)
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   I'm trying to issue a "remote host ..." command from a UNIX SVR4 system
[under release C-Kermit 5A(190)] to an OS/2 system [running C-Kermit 5A(191)
in server mode]. The remote process on the OS/2 system takes a non-trivial
period of time to execute. (Specifically a ghostscript process, that takes
about 4-5 minutes).  The UNIX kermit seems to send NAKs too often, and
eventually I get the message:

      ?Sent too many NAKs

I was under the impression that issuing a "set server timeout 0" would
disble the NAKs to the server, but it doesn't seem to help at all. I tried
huge values like 1000000000 too, and the results are no different. What am
I missing here?

Best Regards, John

-- 
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From: Jay Daly <jay@bih.harvard.edu>
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Subject: Help w/PATHWORKS TCP/IP Setup
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I'm posting for a friend without newsgroup access, and I'll try to 
describe the setup as completely as possible (which may be a problem, 
given my ignorance of the Pathworks system).  She is using MSK 3.14, with 
a Pathworks 5.11 client, and has loaded the DIS_PKT9 shim in config.sys, 
and has included the specified [pktdrv] info in protocol.ini.

After some tweaking, the packet driver seems to be recognized, and the 
session proceeds toward the gateway, but seems to stop there.

I'm not familiar with the network, itself, but they're using the default 
BROADCAST value, with both the gateway and machine on the same network.  
Nevertheless, the session seems to be unable to identify the gateway 
machine.  Here's a snippet of the session:
------
 IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995
Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1995.

; They installed the 5/95 3.14 update after this, but with no change.

MS-DOS Kermit 314 initialization file...

; These are responses from the startup script:

TCP/IP Status is 0. (0 = Ok)
No. of Active Sessions: 0

; This is the IP Address for the U.S. National Library of Medicine:

 Resolving address of host 130.14.10.200 ...

 Unable to ARP resolve gateway 198.161.10.2
 Unable to contact the host.
 The host may be down or a gateway may be needed.
Host Unreachable..
-------

Sounds to me like a problem with the gateway, but they have no trouble 
getting out through the Pathworks TCPIP program.  I forgot to ask whether 
the Pathworks TCPIP program was still loaded when Kermit was run, but I 
guess I assumed that it would have taken over the TCP/IP stack if it 
were, and no packet driver would have been found.  Perhaps a rash assumption.

Would the Pathworks TCPIP program prevent ARP on the gateway?  Any other 
hints on the Pathworks setup?

I know the host (NLM) was up, since I used Kermit to telnet down from 
here in Boston at the same time they were getting this error up in 
Alberta.  So it's got to be a local Pathworks configuration problem, is 
it not?  (Of course, I'm using MSK on NetWare 3.12, not Pathworks.)

All help greatly appreciated.  Any Pathworks insight would be sunshine 
into the darkness of my ignorance.  And I'll pass it along to my Canadian 
friend.

Jay Daly                           jay@bih.harvard.edu
QuickDOC
45A Mason Terrace                  Phone: (617) 734-0918
Brookline, MA  02146               Fax:   (617) 734-3154






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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit Auto-dialling
Date: 21 Oct 1995 14:05:28 GMT
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In article <4655ob$e3@newsgate.dircon.co.uk>, PK  <pk-comp@dircon.co.uk> wrote:
>Can somebody tell me how I can use Kermit for overnight dialling. I need 
>to dial a large number of PC's from one central PC (All MS-DOS machines)
>
You have to write a Kermit script program.  Script programming
is thoroughly documented in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", which also
includes numerous examples such as the one you are asking about.  The manual
is:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn
  on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada,
		       Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time)
    +1 617 928 2613   (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info)
    +44 1933 414000   (Rushden, England distribution centre for
		       UK & Europe)
    +44 1865 310366   (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept)
    +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ)
    +65 356-1968      (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore,
		       Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand)
    +27 031-294247    (Durban office for South Africa)

- Frank

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In article <4672ol$pak@Venus.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell <les@MCS.COM> wrote:
>...
>No, I don't have trouble understanding it, they just aren't free if
>you want to modify them and restribute them to do something useful,
>or to use them as part of a service.  In other words they are only
>free if you don't need them.
>
>Think back 10 years ago and consider which of "kermit" or "a full
>tcp/ip implementation" you would have expected to find included
>at no extra cost in small computer operating systems, which would
>be used more for dial-up communications, which would be available
>in source code with modifications for special purposes from
>many sources.  I guessed wrong.  And the difference is not in whether
>the code is copyrighted or not.  It has to do with which university
>owns the copyright and what the fine print says.  But I wish I could
>dig up those copies from the early eighties where the code was
>contributed from many sources and I thought the emphasis was on keeping
>it free so I could see if my memory is just getting hazy.
>
This topic comes up over and over again, and those who are interested in
it can read the archives of this newsgroup, as well as comp.dcom.modems,
comp.os.vms, and others to see the many viewpoints and arguments that have
been expressed, over and over again.

Yes, the original spirit has changed.  So have the times.  So has the
net.  So has everything.  This is not the same world as the one we
started out in back in 1981.  To summarize, once again, very briefly:

Originally, the Kermit project was funded to develop Kermit protocol and
(yes, copyrighted) communications software, and we gladly gave it away to
everybody.

Now the project is no longer funded.  From the period 1990-1994 or
thereabouts we were able to fund our own work through book sales and
software distribution fees.  Then, about a year ago, people stopped
purchasing books and ordering software from us.  Not because demand for
and use of the software is diminishing -- quite the contrary -- but
because they can get it more easily by ftp (easier now than ever with Web
browsers) or on somebody's CDROM where it was put without permission, in
violation of the copyright.

Without revenues, the Kermit project will disappear.  Now, as Joe pointed
out, all the Kermit software (except Kermit 95) is free to the end user,
BUT NOT TO THE RESELLER.  The only people who complain about this policy
are the ones who want to take our work, sell it (or bundle it with a
product, or put it on a CDROM which they sell), and contribute nothing
back to us in return.  There is no better way to kill the Kermit project,
and we have a responsibility to our millions (yes, millions) of users not
to let that happen.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a bug in fonction \Fcode(Char)
Date: 21 Oct 1995 15:12:07 GMT
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In article <468l5o$sai@midgard.calvacom.fr>,
Dominique Ottello <do11@calvacom.fr> wrote:
: I think there is a bug into Kermit MS-DOS Version 3.14
: The fonction \Fcode(Char) return the value 150 for a space as for 
: u-circomflex.  I try this :
: 
: define line ==   SERIAL NUMBER : D00536      ==
: ;
: ; Search for position of (:) into Line
: assign Begin \Findex(:,\m(Ligne),1)
: increment Begin
: ;
: ; Extract substring beginning after (:) to the end of Line into SN2End
: assign SN2End \Fsubstr(\m(Line),\m(Begin),)
: ;
: define \%n 1
: :Bcl
: assign Tmp \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1)
: ;
: assign Ascii \Fcode(\m(Tmp))
: echo {Char=\m(Tmp) Code=\m(Ascii)}
: ;
: ; Test if the character is a Space
: if = \m(Ascii) 32 goto LenOK
: increment \%n
: goto Bcl
: ;
: :LenOK
: decrement \%n
: assign SN \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),1,\%n)
: echo Line=\M(Line)
: echo {SN extracted from Line=\m(SN)}
: 
: There are spaces after D00536 into variable Line,
: but the fonction \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) always return 150 when Tmp is a space.
: So, I am not able to test where ends the serial number.
: 
: Is there a patch to correct this problem ?
: Or is there any possibility to do this test another way ?
: 
It is indeed a problem.  It seems that in MS-DOS Kermit, when a variable
has a value of SPACE (ASCII 32), it just disappears, so in your script
program, \Fcode(\m(tmp)) is taking the value of a random memory byte.  You
can work around this problem as follows:

---(cut)---
define line ==   SERIAL NUMBER : D00536      ==
;
echo LINE="\m(line)"

; Search for position of (:) into Line
assign Begin \Findex(:,\m(Line),1)      ;; <--- "Line", not "Ligne"
increment Begin
;
; Extract substring beginning after (:) to the end of Line into SN2End
assign SN2End \Fsubstr({\m(Line)},\m(Begin),)

define \%n 1
assign length \flength(\m(SN2End))            ; Get length of substring

:Bcl
assign Tmp _\Fsubstr({\fdef(SN2End)},\%n,1)_  ; Put _ before and after char
assign Ascii \Fcode(\Fsubstr(\m(TMP),2,1))    ; Get code of char between _'s

; Test if the character is a Space
if = \m(Ascii) 32 goto LenOK
increment \%n
if > \%n \m(length) stop 1 END OF STRING...   ; Avoid infinite loop

goto Bcl
;
:LenOK
decrement \%n
assign SN \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),1,\%n)
echo Line=\M(Line)
echo {SN extracted from Line="\m(SN)"}
---(cut)---

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with remote host command
Date: 21 Oct 1995 15:20:22 GMT
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In article <jaypeeDGsB4x.87y@netcom.com>,
John Peterson <jaypee@netcom.com> wrote:
>   I'm trying to issue a "remote host ..." command from a UNIX SVR4 system
>[under release C-Kermit 5A(190)] to an OS/2 system [running C-Kermit 5A(191)
>in server mode]. The remote process on the OS/2 system takes a non-trivial
>period of time to execute. (Specifically a ghostscript process, that takes
>about 4-5 minutes).  The UNIX kermit seems to send NAKs too often, and
>eventually I get the message:
>
>      ?Sent too many NAKs
>
>I was under the impression that issuing a "set server timeout 0" would
>disble the NAKs to the server, but it doesn't seem to help at all. I tried
>huge values like 1000000000 too, and the results are no different. What am
>I missing here?
>
No, it's not SET SERVER TIMEOUT.  That governs the behavior of the server
when it is waiting for a command from the client.

In this case, the server *has* received a command from the client and has
started an inferior process, and is blocked waiting for the process to
complete (or to send output, which ghostscript is evidently not doing,
since it is busy painting the OS/2 screen).  Meanwhile, the *client* is
waiting for a reply and none is coming.  Of course the server has no idea
how long the "host" command will take, so it has no way of telling the
client.

So in this case you have to adjust the client, using "set send/receive
timeout" and/or "set retry".

It would not be unreasonable to expect the server to send some kind of
periodic "hold on, I'm working" type of message to avoid this type of
situation; perhaps this can be added in some future release.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Problems using Kermit with PCMCIA Modems
Date: 21 Oct 1995 16:37:35 GMT
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In article <462ql7$pb6@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com>,
Rich Godlewsky  <76412.156@compuserve.com> wrote:
: We are unable to connect to a remote site calling in to kermit when we 
: are using a PCMCIA modem on a laptop (e.g., Hayes OPTIMA 144 +FAX for 
: PCMCIA).  Although we are able to use the same modem to connect to 
: CompuServe and even use Kermit to call a remote site and transfer a file. 
:
I don't understand.  You're saying that you can use Kermit to call a remote
site and transfer a file, but in the previous sentence you say you can't
connect to a remote site.  Maybe you could be a little more specific about
the two scenarios -- the one where Kermit works and the one where it doesn't.

: The problem we have is that we see the word RING but never see CONNECT 
: 9600.  We are using Kermit Version 3.14 and have the same version 
: installed on a desktop PC with a Hayes External Optima 144 + fax modem 
: which has no problems connecting to the remote site.
: 
How are you dialing?  Are you using the DIAL command (macro) together with
a modem script such as ULTRA144.SCR?  (If not, maybe you should be.)

If you are saying that the exact same setup (PC OS, Kermit version, modem)
works on a desktop with external modem but does not work on the laptop with
the PCMCIA card, then you probably have PCMCIA / laptop "peculiarities".
Laptops tend to have power-saver and similar features not found in desktop
systems, so that's the first thing to look for.  Second would be interrupt
conflicts on your laptop.  And so on -- all the stuff that is described in
the KERMIT.BWR file on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette.

One thing to try would be to simply CONNECT to the modem and type the AT
commands yourself, including the dialing (ATDT) command.  After it says RING,
RING, ..., what does it say?  NO CARRIER?  It should give you a message about
why it failed to make the connection.  In fact, if you look in S86, it should
tell exactly why the call failed (look up the code in your Hayes manual).

: Another strange item is that when we go into connect mode on the laptop 
: and try to evaluate registers on the modem (e.g., ATS0 or ATS86) or 
: execute any command we get "+++ ATH0" back and not the contents of the 
: register.
: 
Kermit is not sending that string (unless you have invoked the ATHANGUP
macro), and you are not typing it.  Therefore, I can only speculate that there
is some other software on your laptop that is trying to use the modem at the
same time as Kermit.

: We also converted MSKERMIT.INI and MSCUSTOM.INI to be all upper case.
: 
This should have no effect at all.

- Frank

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From: krondor@indirect.com (Chris Lawrence)
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Subject: Latest version of kermit?
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Hi,

I was wondering what the latest version of kermit is and where I can
find it. 

Thanks for any help.

Chris
krondor@indirect.com



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <46addl$g2d@globe.indirect.com>,
Chris Lawrence <krondor@indirect.com> wrote:
>I was wondering what the latest version of kermit is and where I can
>find it. 
>
Kermit software is available in different versions for hundreds of different
hardware and operating-system platforms.  The best way to find out all about
it is through our Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

- Frank

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Subject: Re: Is there a bug in fonction \Fcode(Char)
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In article <468l5o$sai@midgard.calvacom.fr>, do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) writes:
> Hello from France.
> 
> I think there is a bug into Kermit MS-DOS Version 3.14
> The fonction \Fcode(Char) return the value 150 for a space as for u-circomflex
> 
> I try this :
> 
> define line ==   SERIAL NUMBER : D00536      ==
> ;
> ; Search for position of (:) into Line
> assign Begin \Findex(:,\m(Ligne),1) 		<<< TYPO, \m(line)
> increment Begin
> ;
> ; Extract substring beginning after (:) to the end of Line into SN2End
> assign SN2End \Fsubstr(\m(Line),\m(Begin),)
> ;
> define \%n 1
> :Bcl
> assign Tmp \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1)
> ;
> assign Ascii \Fcode(\m(Tmp))
> echo {Char=\m(Tmp) Code=\m(Ascii)}
> ;
> ; Test if the character is a Space
> if = \m(Ascii) 32 goto LenOK
> increment \%n
> goto Bcl
> ;
> :LenOK
> decrement \%n
> assign SN \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),1,\%n)
> echo Line=\M(Line)
> echo {SN extracted from Line=\m(SN)}
> 
> There are spaces after D00536 into variable Line,
> but the fonction \Fcode(\m(Tmp)) always return 150 when Tmp is a space.
> So, I am not able to test where ends the serial number.
> 
> Is there a patch to correct this problem ?
> Or is there any possibility to do this test another way ?
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Dominique Ottello
> do11@calvacom.fr
---------
	The problem is straight forward to discover and to solve. It is
a \fsubstr() operation can result in a space, and if that is the only
definition for an ASSIGN command then the definition appears to be empty
and the variable is undefined/removed.
	Aside from the typo noted above here is a version of your script
which works. Note that you have a possible infinite loop, which should
be avoided by   set count \flength(string), ... if count  to terminate
after examining all string bytes. I removed some of your lines by ;;;
comment indicators and slipped in the count saftey net.

define line ==   SERIAL NUMBER : D00536      ==
;
; Search for position of (:) into Line
assign Begin \Findex(:,\m(Line),1)
increment Begin
;
; Extract substring beginning after (:) to the end of Line into SN2End
assign SN2End \Fsubstr(\m(Line),\m(Begin),)
;
define \%n 1
;; optional safety net by jrd
set count \flength(SN2End)

:Bcl
;;;assign Tmp \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1)
;
;;;assign Ascii \Fcode(\m(Tmp))
assign Ascii \Fcode(\Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1))
;;;echo Char=\m(Tmp) Code=\m(Ascii)
echo Char=\Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),\%n,1) Code=\m(Ascii)
;
; Test if the character is a Space
if = \m(Ascii) 32 goto LenOK
increment \%n
;; optional safety net by jrd
if count -
goto Bcl
;
:LenOK
decrement \%n
assign SN \Fsubstr(\m(SN2End),1,\%n)
echo Line=\M(Line)
echo {SN extracted from Line=\m(SN)}

	Joe D.

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From: "John K. Peterson" <John_Peterson@byu.edu>
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O.K., I give up!  How do you get kermit to exit with a non-zero status from a
command file?

(please reply by e-mail)

Thanks

John Peterson -- University Networking Services -- Brigham Young University
Internet: John_Peterson@byu.edu                       Phone: (801) 378-5007



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: exit code in c-kermit
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In article <1995Oct21.161053.15912@yvax.byu.edu>,
John K. Peterson <John_Peterson@byu.edu> wrote:
>O.K., I give up!  How do you get kermit to exit with a non-zero status
>from a command file?
>
Like it says in the manual, "Using C-Kermit" (command summary, p. 331),
just follow EXIT by whatever number you want C-Kermit to return as its
status code.

- Frank

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From: tick@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu (Leo J. Tick)
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Subject: c-kermit on os2
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This may be more of an os/2 question than a kermit question.
But what does one need to set to invoke c-kermit from 
partition /and or file other than the one in which it is.
The failure is that some piece or it cant be found. How does
one tell kermit where the rest of itself is.
An invocation from an icon is ok but then one is in the
kermit directory. If this is a dumb-dumb or an RTFM may I
beg indulgence for an OS2 starter.

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: c-kermit on os2
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In article <46dphs$4vg@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu>,
Leo J. Tick <tick@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu> wrote:
>This may be more of an os/2 question than a kermit question.
>But what does one need to set to invoke c-kermit from 
>partition /and or file other than the one in which it is.
>The failure is that some piece or it cant be found. How does
>one tell kermit where the rest of itself is.
>An invocation from an icon is ok but then one is in the
>kermit directory. If this is a dumb-dumb or an RTFM may I
>beg indulgence for an OS2 starter.

Install with the provided INSTALL.CMD file and all will be well.
There are various entries that must be placed in the CONFIG.SYS
file.  And the Kermit DLLs must be in the same directory as the
executable.


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): 
   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip 
   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

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From: higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk
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Subject: PC hotkeys using kermit
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Hello out there,
I hope this is the right newsgroup for my question.

mov by I am connecting a PC to a VAX VMS which uses VT200 
keyboard type.  At present I'm using kermit to map the 
PC's keyboard to emulate the VAX's VT200 keyboard terminal.
This was done using an .INI file to set up the keyboard mapping.

The question is how could I bind a command to a key while connected
to the vax?  I want this key to go bact to the DOS environment and
and execute a 'take' command loads a different .INI file and then
goes back into the emulation mode. 


*** Tony ***
higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk
London,  England


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: PC hotkeys using kermit
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In article <1995Oct23.115907.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>,
<higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk> wrote:
: I am connecting a PC to a VAX VMS which uses VT200 
: keyboard type.  At present I'm using kermit to map the 
: PC's keyboard to emulate the VAX's VT200 keyboard terminal.
: This was done using an .INI file to set up the keyboard mapping.
: 
: The question is how could I bind a command to a key while connected
: to the vax?  I want this key to go bact to the DOS environment and
: and execute a 'take' command loads a different .INI file and then
: goes back into the emulation mode. 
: 
This is explained in the manual, in the section "macros on keys".
Define a macro to do anything you want (such as TAKE'ing a file)
and then assign it to the desired key.  There are also ways of having
the host do this (read about the PRODUCT macro).  The manual is:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn
  on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada,
		       Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time)
    +1 617 928 2613   (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info)
    +44 1933 414000   (Rushden, England distribution centre for
		       UK & Europe)
    +44 1865 310366   (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept)
    +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ)
    +65 356-1968      (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore,
		       Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand)
    +27 031-294247    (Durban office for South Africa)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany
    (1991), 414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for
    the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including
    German-language help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price:
    DM 69,00.  ISBN 3-88229-006-4.  Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG,
    Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.  Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0,
    Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29.

  And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer
    & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.  Packaged with version 3.11 of
    MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch
    diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.
    Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles.
    Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71.

The French version is also available from Columbia University: $36.95.

More info at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: New Kermit Tech Support Policies
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This is to announce new technical support policies for Kermit software.
Effective immediately, but with a grace period extending through
November 30, 1995:

 . Phone support may be obtained by calling +1 (900) 555-5595.
   Presently, this number is available only to those calling from
   within the USA.  Calls to this number cost $2.50 per minute.

 . Phone support may be also be obtained by calling +1 (212) 854-5126.
   This number may be called from anywhere in the world.  The cost of
   each call is $25.00, chargeable to your MasterCard or Visa account.

 . Phone support is available at no charge to tech-support liaisons at
   sites that have purchased site licenses or bulk right-to-copy licenses.
   The number is +1 (212) 854-5126; a bulk or site license serial number
   is required.  (Note: this category presently applies only to Kermit 95)

Technical support is also available at no direct charge as follows:

 . On the Web.  Point your Web browser at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
   and look through the Kermit FAQ and other topic areas.

 . By netnews.  Read and post questions to comp.protocols.kermit.misc.
   Members of the Kermit team will respond to questions on a best-effort
   basis.  Others may also respond.

 . By email to kermit-support@columbia.edu.  Members of the Kermit team
   will respond to questions on a best-effort basis.

Why the new policy?  Simple: One-on-one telephone support is costly and
inefficient, and the demand for it has been skyrocketing in recent years.
Charging for this service will allow us to expand it to keep pace with
demand.

You may begin using the 900 number right away.  Callers to 854-5126 will
be informed that this service will no longer be free after November 30.

Thank you for helping us to serve you better!

Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone
Managers, the Kermit Project
Columbia University

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From: rchishol@iiic.ethz.ch (Rory Alexander Chisholm)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Problems with Ckermit over local network.
Date: 23 Oct 1995 15:25:58 GMT
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I'm having problems using ckermit over out local network. My setup is this:
I have ckermit running on my sparcstation at home which I use to connect at
19200 to my USR dual HST modem. I then set up a V32 connection to our 
university dial-in (with data compression). The dial-in is to an annex, from
which I use "telnet" to connect to a local machine, I then log in and start
ckermit on the remote machine to start a file transfer. My problems now include:

On connect Ckermit switches the speed back from 19200 to 9600, how can I prevent
this (my modem reports a connect at 9600 yes, but this is NOT what I want).

More seriously, while transfer over ckermit works fine over the default 
settings (default packet length, window size etc). I seem to be able to 
increase the send (receive) packet length only to 256 bytes without problems.
More accurately if I am down loading files then I chose  send packet length of
256 for the remote and the same for the local end receive packet length. The
window size I set to 8 and leave the rest alone. This appears to work, any
packet length higher than 256 (512, 1024 etc) seems to give me major problems
with NAK/timeout (yes I did set the block check to 3). So my questions are

1) any bright ideas about what could be causing this ? I don't think its 
line noise (since this is a v32/v42 connection)
2) What would be a better set of parameters (currently I achieve something
like 30% throughput)

Last but not least I use ckermit as my primary communications software is
there any way to get the local ckermit it use an alternate protocol 
(x-modem, y-modem, z-modem) providing thats available as a program that 
reads from stdin for the local machine ? Sometimes this is all that is 
available on the remote and it would be nice not to have to remember to use
tip, cu, seyon or a similar abomination when I have to down load to such a 
destination.

Thanks for any help in advance, regards Rory Chisholm

email: rchishol@math.ethz.ch


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From: adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack )
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Extracting path name of kermit take or init file
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I need to extract the path name from the name of the currently
executing script file. 

C-kermit command files, kept in users current directory, are invoked
with 'take filname.ext'. The same scripts work on both the DEC VMS
and
unix (aix, osf) platforms. With multiple users and machines, I want to
keep all take files on a machine in the same directory as the init file
so that i can get the path name into a macro and invoke them with the
form 'take \m(pname)flename.tak'. 

I can use \v(cmdfile) to get the currently executing file name but how
can i get the pathname without first pulling the platform type and
parseing the filename string to get it. I am using 5A-190.

Also:
How compatible are C-kermit scripts with intel platform kermit. Is
anything documented on script compatibility with kermit on DOS, Windows
NT, and OS/2

Thank you

Sol Gongola 
ADL Data Systems Inc.
adldata@ix.netcom.com

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Extracting path name of kermit take or init file
Date: 23 Oct 1995 21:23:19 GMT
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In article <46ekdf$bsv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
David Pollack  <adldata@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: C-kermit command files, kept in users current directory, are invoked
: with 'take filname.ext'. The same scripts work on both the DEC VMS and
: unix (aix, osf) platforms. With multiple users and machines, I want to
: keep all take files on a machine in the same directory as the init file
: so that i can get the path name into a macro and invoke them with the
: form 'take \m(pname)flename.tak'. 
: 
How about this:

  take \v(inidir)filename.tak

\v(inidir) is a built-in variable that holds the pathname of the directory
from which the initialization was (or should have been) executed, framed
suitably for concatenation with a filename, subdirectory name, etc.

: How compatible are C-kermit scripts with intel platform kermit. Is
: anything documented on script compatibility with kermit on DOS, Windows
: NT, and OS/2
: 
They are very compatible, despite some differences.  I don't know exactly
how to quantify the degree of compatibility, but we are doing our best to
reconcile the differences -- the later releases of C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit
you have, the fewer incompatibilities.  If you have questions about specific
features, feel free to post them.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Problems with Ckermit over local network.
Date: 23 Oct 1995 21:33:15 GMT
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In article <46gc66$bij@neptune.ethz.ch>,
Rory Alexander Chisholm <rchishol@iiic.ethz.ch> wrote:
: I'm having problems using ckermit over out local network. My setup is
: this: I have ckermit running on my sparcstation at home which I use to
: connect at 19200 to my USR dual HST modem. I then set up a V32
: connection to our university dial-in (with data compression). The
: dial-in is to an annex, from which I use "telnet" to connect to a local
: machine, I then log in and start ckermit on the remote machine to start
: a file transfer. My problems now include:
: 
: On connect Ckermit switches the speed back from 19200 to 9600, how can I
: prevent this (my modem reports a connect at 9600 yes, but this is NOT
: what I want).
: 
Like it says in the manual: "set dial speed-matching off".

: More seriously, while transfer over ckermit works fine over the default
: settings (default packet length, window size etc). I seem to be able to
: increase the send (receive) packet length only to 256 bytes without
: problems.  More accurately if I am down loading files then I chose send
: packet length of 256 for the remote and the same for the local end
: receive packet length.
:
As an aside (and as explained in the manual), the packet length is
determined by the receiver.  Nobody ever needs to give a "set send
packet-length" command, except under very unusual circumstances.

: The window size I set to 8 and leave the rest
: alone. This appears to work, any packet length higher than 256 (512,
: 1024 etc) seems to give me major problems with NAK/timeout (yes I did
: set the block check to 3). So my questions are
: 
: 1) any bright ideas about what could be causing this ? I don't think its 
: line noise (since this is a v32/v42 connection)
:
Lack of a fast and effective means of flow control.  Try enabling RTS/CTS
in C-Kermit and in your modem.  Of course, you also need good
(bidirectional) flow control between the remote modem and the Annex, but
there's not much you can do about that.

: 2) What would be a better set of parameters (currently I achieve something
: like 30% throughput)
: 
Nobody can answer that for you.  The optimal combination of parameters
depends entirely on the characteristics of every single component in your
connection, and nobody else has the same connection you have.  The only
way to achieve optimal performance is to understand what the variables
are and what are the consequences of changing them, and then experimenting
with various combinations until you hit your peak.  For some hints to get
you started, see our FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html

: Last but not least I use ckermit as my primary communications software is
: there any way to get the local ckermit it use an alternate protocol 
: (x-modem, y-modem, z-modem) providing thats available as a program that 
: reads from stdin for the local machine ?
:
Yes.  The current version of C-Kermit for UNIX is 5A(190).  It comes with
a file, ckurzsz.ini, that defines macros for using rz/sz/etc as external
protocols.  Read the comments in that file for further information.

: Sometimes this is all that is 
: available on the remote and it would be nice not to have to remember to use
: tip, cu, seyon or a similar abomination when I have to down load to such a 
: destination.

- Frank

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I've written a script (heavily plagurized from the MS-DOS 
for Kermit manual) to log into a remote Unix box and transfer
a file. The problem is that I would like to keep the Unix and
Kermit commands from displaying while this is going on.  
I've tried set local-echo off and set display quiet, but neither
of these do what I need.  

Does anyone know of a command to turn off the display of machine 
generated commands?  Any help is greatly appreaciated.

My machine is a 486DX using MS DOS/Windows.

Kathleen House
kmhouse@halcyon.com


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if I write a mail using elm, it generates two files in /var/spool/mqueque. Both
of them have crzptic names, the one contains the body of the mail, the other
the header. 
What I want is to send my mail using kermit (for kermit sets up the most stable
serial connection on my computer).
One idea might be to awk the address from the header file and then to use the
kermit MAIL command to send the body. Maybe someone can offer me a little
program to do this.
There might be better solutions, all hints are welcome.

bye zg
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In article <46dphs$4vg@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu> tick@dizzy.cs.nyu.edu (Leo J. Tick) writes:
>This may be more of an os/2 question than a kermit question.
>But what does one need to set to invoke c-kermit from 
>partition /and or file other than the one in which it is.
>The failure is that some piece or it cant be found. How does
>one tell kermit where the rest of itself is.
>An invocation from an icon is ok but then one is in the
>kermit directory. If this is a dumb-dumb or an RTFM may I
>beg indulgence for an OS2 starter.

    From the information you have given, I'm still guessing, but it sounds
like C-Kermit can't find the dynamic link libraries (.DLL files) located
in the directory where you installed C-Kermit. Did you install using the
install script? If you didn't, or did and answered no to "Is it OK to
modify your CONFIG.SYS?" then you probably need to add the C-Kermit
directory to LIBPATH=.... in your CONFIG.SYS by hand, and re-boot.

Best Regards, John

-- 
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I thank you very much for your answers.

Now my procedures work well.

Thanks.

   -+- Dominique -+-
   do11@calvacom.fr


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <46hbdc$ej5@news1.halcyon.com>,
Kathleen M. House <kmhouse@chinook.halcyon.com> wrote:
: I've written a script (heavily plagurized from the MS-DOS 
: for Kermit manual) ...
:
That's what it's for :-)

:  ... to log into a remote Unix box and transfer
: a file. The problem is that I would like to keep the Unix and
: Kermit commands from displaying while this is going on.  
: I've tried set local-echo off and set display quiet, but neither
: of these do what I need.  
: 
"set local-echo off" is not relevant, but "set display quiet" does
indeed disable the file transfer display.

: Does anyone know of a command to turn off the display of machine 
: generated commands?
:
What, exactly, are you seeing that you don't want to see?

In any case, one way of doing this is to run Kermit from within another
program (in the simplest case, a batch program) that redirects its
standard output away from the screen.  For example:

  kermit -f command-file > nul

You can also make that same program put whatever you want on the screen.

- Frank

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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In article <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>> No, I don't have trouble understanding it, they just aren't free if
>> you want to modify them and restribute them to do something useful,
>> or to use them as part of a service.  In other words they are only
>> free if you don't need them.
>
>	No. Your statement can be read as "I want Kermit to be free
>in the sense I can make money from it or use it to sell something
>else which makes money for me, etc."  We have covered this ground
>in detail over the past year or so. 

But you keep missing the fact that not only can't someone improve
kermit and sell it, they also can't improve it and give it away
as has happened with lots of other software.  And it still isn't
quite clear what is wrong with someone else getting some value
from the program. In the case of the DOS version, you are the primary
author so I respect your wishes about how it should be handled,
but I think the stuff going back to the old days should have
been split cleanly between free versions that someone else could
improve and distribute and the versions done by the current team
with its restrictions.  Then maybe there could be *some* version
of kermit included with unix distributions, including the free ones.
What good does it do to have kermit at one end only?

>> Think back 10 years ago and consider which of "kermit" or "a full
>> tcp/ip implementation" you would have expected to find included
>> at no extra cost in small computer operating systems, which would
>> be used more for dial-up communications, which would be available
>> in source code with modifications for special purposes from
>> many sources.
>
>	See above since it's basically the same situation.
>
>>  I guessed wrong.  And the difference is not in whether
>> the code is copyrighted or not.  It has to do with which university
>> owns the copyright and what the fine print says.  But I wish I could
>> dig up those copies from the early eighties where the code was
>> contributed from many sources and I thought the emphasis was on keeping
>> it free so I could see if my memory is just getting hazy.
>	Les, this is so vague as to be meaningless.

What I'm saying is that Berkeley copyrighted code has found it's way
into almost everything, and has helped a lot of people.  There is
room for freeBSD, BSDI, and things like 'slirp', a slip/ppp emulation
that is basically a full tcp/ip implementation running in user
space that would never have happened if the base code had been
restricted.  Once upon a time I thought that was the philosopy
behind kermit too.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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In article <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell <les@MCS.COM> wrote:
>...
>What I'm saying is that Berkeley copyrighted code has found it's way
>into almost everything, and has helped a lot of people.  There is
>room for freeBSD, BSDI, and things like 'slirp', a slip/ppp emulation
>that is basically a full tcp/ip implementation running in user
>space that would never have happened if the base code had been
>restricted.  Once upon a time I thought that was the philosopy
>behind kermit too.
>
It was, but times changed.  I think you are missing the difference between
the Kermit project and various other projects on the net that you
associate with "free software".  The difference is: we are working on this
full time, and with some of us, it is our real job -- even our career.  We
are here for the long haul, as long as there is a demand, to develop and
support Kermit protocol and software.  You can't say that about most of
the other software that you cite.  The BSD project is shut down, the
people scattered to the wind.  Many of the other examples are one-shot
deals -- the people who created them moved on to something else -- you
can't get good, dependable support for that type of software.  You can for
Kermit.

By the way, if you or anybody else wants to contribute code, make
improvements, etc, nothing is stopping you.  But you have to leave
administration of our copyright up to us, because long after you have
moved on to something else, we will still need to be here.

- Frank

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Christoph Zengerling <Christoph.Zengerling@uni-konstanz.de> writes:
>if I write a mail using elm, it generates two files in /var/spool/mqueque.
>Both of them have crzptic names, the one contains the body of the mail,
>the other the header. 

Huh?  Which version of ELM is that?

>What I want is to send my mail using kermit...

"kermit" isn't for sending mails.  MTAs are.
Check out smail or sendmail - whatever your system uses.

Anyway, if ELM doesn't work - use "mail(1)".

Sven

Cc: Christoph Zengerling <Christoph.Zengerling@uni-konstanz.de>

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: PC hotkeys using kermit
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In article <1995Oct23.115907.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>, higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk writes:
> Hello out there,
> I hope this is the right newsgroup for my question.
> 
> mov by I am connecting a PC to a VAX VMS which uses VT200 
> keyboard type.  At present I'm using kermit to map the 
> PC's keyboard to emulate the VAX's VT200 keyboard terminal.
> This was done using an .INI file to set up the keyboard mapping.
> 
> The question is how could I bind a command to a key while connected
> to the vax?  I want this key to go bact to the DOS environment and
> and execute a 'take' command loads a different .INI file and then
> goes back into the emulation mode. 
> 
> 
> *** Tony ***
> higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk
> London,  England
-------------
	Command SET KEY, as all Kermit commands, is executed at the 
Kermit prompt, not while talking in Connect mode (because keystrokes
go to the remote host at that stage). You would do well to read both
the user's manual (see the book title on screen two of the MSK Help
command) and the current release notes. They explain how to assign
a macro name to a Connect mode key and what happens when that key is
pressed (it can do what you want).
	Hint: set key \keyident {\kmacro-name}
	Joe D.

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The company that I work for just recently outsourced our asynchronous
dial-in network to CompuServe. Our customers dial into a CompuServe
node, which then connects them to a Renex ASCII (VT102) to IBM 3270
protocol converter. The Renex box is Token-Ring connected to our
VTAM network via a TIC attached 3745. The mainframe Kermit is running
on our VM systems. We are using version 4.3.0 in XA mode.

When we had our own dial-in network, our people dialed directly into
an old Lee Data 8030 protocol converter. Now that they are coming in
through CompuServe, they no longer can upload files to VM. They can
download, just not upload. Most of our people are using Procomm Plus
(DOS or the Windows version), but I've also been able to duplicate
the problem using CKermit for OS/2 and HyperAccess/5 for OS/2.

When I use the SET DEBUG option, I see that initial Kermit parameters
are exchanged, but once the PC starts to send the file, VM Kermit never
receives anything. I suspect that the problem might be with the Renex
protocol converter, but I'm hoping that it might just be some easy
parameter change that needs to be set.

Thanks.

=====================================================================
Mark T. Regan                        Internet: reganm@coil.com
Network Specialist                   City:  Reynoldsburg
CTO1    USNR-R (1969-1991)           State: Ohio


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From: jmcbray@rs5.tcs.tulane.edu (Jason F Mcbrayer)
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>>>>> "KMH" == Kathleen M House <kmhouse@chinook.halcyon.com> writes:

KMH> Does anyone know of a command to turn off the display of machine 
KMH> generated commands?  Any help is greatly appreaciated.

Try "set input echo off" and "set script echo off".  I'm not sure if
both of these are really necessary, but I think so.

KMH> My machine is a 486DX using MS DOS/Windows.

The commands I gave are for C-Kermit; I imagine they're ok for newish
versions of MS-DOS Kermit, as well.

-- 
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I'm almost embarrassed to be posting this, but here goes: I'm trying
to transfer binary files from a 386 PC with Optical WORM disk to an HP
series 700 machine.  The PC is running MS-Kermit 3.14 and the HP is
running C-Kermit 5A(190).  The WORM disk is fairly slow, so I don't
expect miracles, but what I'm actually seeing is transfer speeds with
Kermit which top out at 12 Kb/s, as compared to 35 Kb/s using NCSA
FTP.  SET WIN 4, SET BLOCK 3, SET FIL TYP BIN, SET REC PACK 2000, SET
FLOW NONE, SET CONT UNP ALL, SET CONT PRE 0 1 11 13 17 19 are done at
both ends of the Kermit transfer.

I really need this to work better, otherwise I'm going to have to hack
up MSIXSE.C to spit out commands for NCSA FTP.  At the current speed
of Kermit, it would take an entire 8-hour day to transfer one WORM
disk side to the HP, and we have 35 disks.
-- 
Stephen Walton, California State University, Northridge
"Be careful what you wish for;  you might get it."	swalton@csun.edu

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed
Date: 25 Oct 1995 22:12:59 GMT
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In article <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu>,
Stephen Walton <swalton@galileo.csun.edu> wrote:
>I'm almost embarrassed to be posting this, but here goes: I'm trying
>to transfer binary files from a 386 PC with Optical WORM disk to an HP
>series 700 machine.  The PC is running MS-Kermit 3.14 and the HP is
>running C-Kermit 5A(190).  The WORM disk is fairly slow, so I don't
>expect miracles, but what I'm actually seeing is transfer speeds with
>Kermit which top out at 12 Kb/s, as compared to 35 Kb/s using NCSA
>FTP.  SET WIN 4, SET BLOCK 3, SET FIL TYP BIN, SET REC PACK 2000, SET
>FLOW NONE, SET CONT UNP ALL, SET CONT PRE 0 1 11 13 17 19 are done at
>both ends of the Kermit transfer.
>
There are several potential bottlenecks.  First, of course, is the
hardware -- the PC and the WORM disk -- which explains why FTP is so slow.

Second would be the Kermit protocol settings.  What happens if you crank
up the window size and packet length?  Does it make a difference?

Third is flow control.  Tell both Kermit programs to "set flow none".
Let TCP and IP take care of it.

Fourth is the TELNET overhead.  When you TELNET from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14
into the HP, you are going through the HP's TELNET server, not to mention
pty drivers and who knows what else.  It might be an interesting experiment
to eliminate the TELNET overhead.  You can do this as follows:

 1. Start MS-DOS Kermit first.  Tell it to "set tcp host *" and then
    "server".

 2. Make a connection from C-Kermit on the HP to the PC: "set host xxx"
    where xxx is the IP name or address of the PC.

Then initiate all the file transfers from the HP end.  If you use big window
size and packet length and the maximum possible control-character unprefixing:

  SET CONT PRE 0 1 13 255

(note the elimination of 17 and 19 because now you aren't doing Xon/Xoff
any more.)

I'm sure all of our readers would be interested in further reports on how
this goes.

- Frank

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From: mario.r@ix.netcom.com (Mario Rivera)
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Subject: KdecF11 problems
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I recently purchased KERMIT 3.14 and am having a difficulty getting the
F1 key (and more actually) on my PC to emulate a KdecF11 key.  I'm
primarily interested in getting the F1 key to work and beleive that the
rest will follow once F1 is figured out.

I have Kermit 3.00 on my PC and the F1-F4 keys are set to emulate 
KdecF11-KdecF14 respectively.  This works great and I would like to do
the same using 3.14.  All the rest of the keys seem to work just fine
on 3.14 and if I get this fixed I'll be in business.

I began by setting the parameters of 3.14 to the parameters used on
3.00.  When I couldn't get the F keys to work, I tried to toggle the
TERMINAL CONTROL to 7-bit and 8-bit to try to get one of those to work.
I also tried to start fresh by FTPing MSVIBM.ZIP via the internet. When
I  set the F1 key (manually or in VT300.INI) to KdecF11,  the SHOW KEY
shows that it's set but the it still doesn't work.  I've played around
with other parameters but still haven't gotten it to work.  I'm
stumped.

The F1 key does respond to it being pressed because there is cursor
movement but it doesn't do what it should, (in this particular VAX
application, it should do an exit, i.e. exit to main menu).

If anyone has any information for me, I would really appreciate it. 
It's so close yet so far...

Thanks in advance.  : )  

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From: kagan@pegasus.ece.utexas.edu (Kagan Tumer)
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Subject: Local Echo Options (inquiry)
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I recently purchased a used Intel Modem. It works fine except for a 
quirk: when I connect with kermit, the AT commands are invidible to me.
If I use "set terminal echo local" on kermit, then I get double letters
when I do connect.

I dont' have the manual to check for this, but a single sheet accompanying
the software says that the WINFAX software turns the echo off when it 
exits. However, Since I'm not using this software, I can't fix the problem
this way.

does anyone know how to enable the echo of the AT commands without doubling
the echo after the connection is made. (I'm using kermit).

Thanks,

--

kagan

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: KdecF11 problems
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In article <46jlce$jki@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>,
Mario Rivera <mario.r@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: I recently purchased KERMIT 3.14 and am having a difficulty getting the
: F1 key (and more actually) on my PC to emulate a KdecF11 key.  I'm
: primarily interested in getting the F1 key to work and beleive that the
: rest will follow once F1 is figured out.
: 
: I have Kermit 3.00 on my PC and the F1-F4 keys are set to emulate 
: KdecF11-KdecF14 respectively.  This works great and I would like to do
: the same using 3.14.  All the rest of the keys seem to work just fine
: on 3.14 and if I get this fixed I'll be in business.
: 
: I began by setting the parameters of 3.14 to the parameters used on
: 3.00.  When I couldn't get the F keys to work, I tried to toggle the
: TERMINAL CONTROL to 7-bit and 8-bit to try to get one of those to work.
: I also tried to start fresh by FTPing MSVIBM.ZIP via the internet. When
: I  set the F1 key (manually or in VT300.INI) to KdecF11,  the SHOW KEY
: shows that it's set but the it still doesn't work.  I've played around
: with other parameters but still haven't gotten it to work.  I'm
: stumped.
: 
: The F1 key does respond to it being pressed because there is cursor
: movement but it doesn't do what it should, (in this particular VAX
: application, it should do an exit, i.e. exit to main menu).
: 
Let's try to pin this down.  According to the VT220 manual, the DEC F11
key is supposed to send:

  <CSI>23~

where CSI is "<ESC>[" in 7-bit mode, or character 155 (decimal) in
8-bit mode.

Experimentation shows that if you:

  set key \315 \KdecF11

and then you press the F1 key, then Kermit sends exactly the right
characters.  So the problem would seem to be elsewhere.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Local Echo Options (inquiry)
Date: 26 Oct 1995 01:17:52 GMT
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In article <46louc$sfu@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
Kagan Tumer <kagan@pegasus.ece.utexas.edu> wrote:
: I recently purchased a used Intel Modem. It works fine except for a 
: quirk: when I connect with kermit, the AT commands are invidible to me.
: If I use "set terminal echo local" on kermit, then I get double letters
: when I do connect.
: 
: I dont' have the manual to check for this, but a single sheet accompanying
: the software says that the WINFAX software turns the echo off when it 
: exits. However, Since I'm not using this software, I can't fix the problem
: this way.
: 
: does anyone know how to enable the echo of the AT commands without doubling
: the echo after the connection is made. (I'm using kermit).
: 
You don't even need the modem manual for this one.  Just look in Table
I-2, "Selected Hayes Smartmodem 2400 Commands", page 270 of "Using MS-DOS
Kermit".

The command is ATE1.

- Frank

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From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: VM/CMS Kermit w/Renex Protocol Converter
Date: 26 Oct 1995 02:07:13 GMT
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.951024210341.16495E-100000@bronze.coil.com>,
Mark T. Regan <reganm@coil.com> wrote:

>When we had our own dial-in network, our people dialed directly into
>an old Lee Data 8030 protocol converter. Now that they are coming in
>through CompuServe, they no longer can upload files to VM. They can
>download, just not upload.

This is characteristic of a very simple problem, but a problem that may
not have a completely satisfactory solution.  The fact that downloads
work fine suggests that you are exceeding some inbound buffer limit
when you try to upload.  The fix is to issue SET REC PACKET subcommands
to the mainframe Kermit with smaller and smaller values until you get
a value that allows transfers to work.  This results in less efficient
transfers than you had before, but at least you get the files across!

				John Chandler

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From: 9531reic@ucsbvm.ucsb.edu (Julianne Reich)
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Subject: why 2 VT100 fonts for mackermit
Date: 25 Oct 1995 20:06:26 GMT
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Why does it show two vt100 fonts in kermit? This font also puts spaces in
some of the screens I use, where the monaco works great??? any input
helpful!!!!

Julianne Reich


MacOs: It's not just for breakfast anymore.
Julianne Reich
9531reic@ucsbvm.ucsb.edu.

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From: adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack )
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In <46jo55$jn9@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> adldata@ix.netcom.com (David
Pollack ) writes: 
>
>In <46h147$nkn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu
>(Frank da Cruz) writes: 
>>
>>In article <46ekdf$bsv@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
>>David Pollack  <adldata@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>: C-kermit command files, kept in users current directory, are
invoked
>>: with 'take filname.ext'. The same scripts work on both the DEC VMS
>and
>>: unix (aix, osf) platforms. With multiple users and machines, I want
>to
>>: keep all take files on a machine in the same directory as the init
>file
>>: so that i can get the path name into a macro and invoke them with
>the
>>: form 'take \m(pname)flename.tak'. 
>>: 
>>How about this:
>>
>>  take \v(inidir)filename.tak
>>
>>\v(inidir) is a built-in variable that holds the pathname of the
>directory
>>from which the initialization was (or should have been) executed,
>framed
>>suitably for concatenation with a filename, subdirectory name, etc.
>>
>>: How compatible are C-kermit scripts with intel platform kermit. Is
>>: anything documented on script compatibility with kermit on DOS,
>Windows
>>: NT, and OS/2
>>: 
>>They are very compatible, despite some differences.  I don't know
>exactly
>>how to quantify the degree of compatibility, but we are doing our
best
>to
>>reconcile the differences -- the later releases of C-Kermit and
MS-DOS
>Kermit
>>you have, the fewer incompatibilities.  If you have questions about
>specific
>>features, feel free to post them.
>>
>>- Frank
>
>
>I can't find \v(inidir) using sho var (version 5A(190)). Not in vms
>version, not in aix version. I found no refs to it in the yellow
>C-Kermit book or in ckcker.upd. Do I need to compile kermit with an
>additional option to get it?
>
>Sol Gongola 

woops: I found it, MS DOS kermit does have \v(inidir). But what about
C-kermit.

Sol

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <9531reic-2510951319090001@128.111.124.34>,
Julianne Reich <9531reic@ucsbvm.ucsb.edu.> wrote:
: Why does it show two vt100 fonts in kermit? This font also puts spaces in
: some of the screens I use, where the monaco works great??? any input
: helpful!!!!
:
The Mac Kermit font situation is explained in total detail in the file
ckmker.fon in the kermit/f area on kermit.columbia.edu.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Extracting path name of kermit take or init file
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In article <46mirl$onh@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
David Pollack  <adldata@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: >>How about this:
: >>
: >>  take \v(inidir)filename.tak
: >
: >I can't find \v(inidir) using sho var (version 5A(190)). Not in vms
: >version, not in aix version. I found no refs to it in the yellow
: >C-Kermit book or in ckcker.upd. Do I need to compile kermit with an
: >additional option to get it?
: 
: woops: I found it, MS DOS kermit does have \v(inidir). But what about
: C-kermit.
: 
Right -- It's not in C-Kermit after all.  Delusions of compatibility.
We'll try to have it in the next release.

In the meantime, there are a couple other variables that might come in
handy:

  \v(directory)  - The current directory
  \v(home)       - Your home directory

- Frank

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Stephen Walton (swalton@galileo.csun.edu) wrote:

: series 700 machine.  The PC is running MS-Kermit 3.14 and the HP is
: running C-Kermit 5A(190).  The WORM disk is fairly slow, so I don't
: expect miracles, but what I'm actually seeing is transfer speeds with
: Kermit which top out at 12 Kb/s, as compared to 35 Kb/s using NCSA
: FTP.  SET WIN 4, SET BLOCK 3, SET FIL TYP BIN, SET REC PACK 2000, SET
: FLOW NONE, SET CONT UNP ALL, SET CONT PRE 0 1 11 13 17 19 are done at
: both ends of the Kermit transfer.

Don't you need "set send packet 2000", as well?
After a short session, use "statistics", or "show statistics" to see how
many windows were used, and what packet size was used.  You might need more
than four windows, but probably not.

What I found a while back is that my UNIX box had an 8-bit 3C503 card, and
kermit transfers were very poor, although FTP was good (Novell LAN FTP).

With my current mix of 16 and 32 bit ether cards, the Windows-for-Workgroups
FTP, the Zmodem/Kermit/FTP in ProcommPlus, and MSKermit 3.14 all transer at
good rates.  FTP is the fastest of the bunch, but Kermit is not off by much.

You should turn off the display if you are transferring large amounts of
data.  "set file display fullscreen", which normally is so informative on
a modem connection, wastes a lot of time at high transfer speeds.



And if all else fails, try XSEND, a utility available on columbia, intended
for use with Kermit, that will also spit out ftp command sets, to transfer
an entire hierarchy.

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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In article <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>But you keep missing the fact that not only can't someone improve
>kermit and sell it, they also can't improve it and give it away
>as has happened with lots of other software. 

That isn't true.  In the past few years, I have added a number of features to 
MS-Kermit.  I sent them back to Columbia and they are now included for all to 
use.  I have also looked through the code for C-Kermit when I have had 
problems and identified bugs or coded better solutions.  The bugs have been 
corrected and some of the suggestions have been accepted; others haven't.

The point is that if you have an idea to improve Kermit, suggest it, or code 
it yourself and send it in.  If it is a good idea, the chances of it being 
selected are good.  If it's not, the Kermit team will explain why they cannot 
use it.

One of the things that has kept Kermit strong and improving over the years is 
that there is a single point for Kermit distribution, keeping it consistant.  
If you read the notes from Frank on how difficult it is to code things for the 
various versions of UNIX (or is it Unix or unix...) you can see that see that 
having multiple distributions, each with their own idiosyncrasies, is not a 
good thing.

JamesS

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In article <46o01e$1nh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <46mirl$onh@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
>David Pollack  <adldata@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>: woops: I found it, MS DOS kermit does have \v(inidir). But what about
>: C-kermit.
>: 
>Right -- It's not in C-Kermit after all.  Delusions of compatibility.
>We'll try to have it in the next release.

In C-Kermit the way to do this is to use:

asg _inifile \v(cmdfile)        ; Get directory where this file is kept...
asg _inidirlen \feval(\flength(\m(_inifile))-11)
asg _inidir \fsubstr(\m(_inifile),1,\m(_inidirlen))

Then you can reference \m(_inidir) wherever you need \v(inidir)





Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): 
   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip 
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Sven Guckes <guckes@math.fu-berlin.de> wrote:

>Christoph Zengerling <Christoph.Zengerling@uni-konstanz.de> writes:
>>if I write a mail using elm, it generates two files in /var/spool/mqueque.
>>Both of them have crzptic names, the one contains the body of the mail,
>>the other the header. 

>Huh?  Which version of ELM is that?

It's not elm at all.. elm is a mail reader - it does not handle the mail
transport at all..
/var/spool/mqueue is the queue directory used by sendmail & the files that
you have described are the standard files that sendmail creates.

One assumes that what is happening is that you are originating the mail in
elm & handing it off to sendmail


>>What I want is to send my mail using kermit...

>"kermit" isn't for sending mails.  MTAs are.

In fact, kermit is a transport protocol (I think..)

Phil.

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I've been successfully using C-Kermit on an HP 710 workstation running
HP/UX version 8.x to receive both text and binary files from PC's using a
wide range of communications packages for approx. 5 years with no
significant problems. When I recently upgraded to HP/UX version 9.03 I
began having constant problems with transfers from all my PC users.
Typically a file will be partially received and then fail on repeated
timeout errors. I've had litterally every piece of hardware in the
workstation replaced to no avail. and had the phone lines checked . HP has
not been able to over any help and am getting very desperate. Any
assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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: You don't even need the modem manual for this one.  Just look in Table
: I-2, "Selected Hayes Smartmodem 2400 Commands", page 270 of "Using MS-DOS
: Kermit".

: The command is ATE1.

tried it. doesn't work... thanks for the suggestion though.

--

kagan

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <46m2ts$qd@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
PGassman <pgassman@aol.com> wrote:
: I've been successfully using C-Kermit on an HP 710 workstation running
: HP/UX version 8.x to receive both text and binary files from PC's using
: a wide range of communications packages for approx. 5 years with no
: significant problems. When I recently upgraded to HP/UX version 9.03 I
: began having constant problems with transfers from all my PC users.
: Typically a file will be partially received and then fail on repeated
: timeout errors. I've had litterally every piece of hardware in the
: workstation replaced to no avail. and had the phone lines checked . HP
: has not been able to over any help and am getting very desperate. Any
: assistance would be greatly appreciated.
:
For lack of any indication to the contrary, I assume you are using the
very old 4E(072) version of C-Kermit because that is what most users of
HP-UX versions prior to 10.0 have.  The current version of C-Kermit,
5A(190), should work just fine on HP-UX 9.03 (and all other HP-UX
versions), since it was explicitly developed for the various HP-UX
platforms.  For further information, point your Web browser at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

- Frank

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In article <46or5d$59m@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
Kagan Tumer <kagan@pegasus.ece.utexas.edu> wrote:
:: You don't even need the modem manual for this one.  Just look in Table
:: I-2, "Selected Hayes Smartmodem 2400 Commands", page 270 of "Using MS-DOS
:: Kermit".
:
:: The command is ATE1.
:
:tried it. doesn't work... thanks for the suggestion though.
:
Then:

 a. You have a VERY STRANGE modem, or:

 b. Your PC is suffering from "can talk but not listen" syndrome,
    which is described at length in the KERMIT.BWR file on your
    MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette, section 6.

- Frank

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From: Obie Oberholster <obie@elan.sfri.ac.za>
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Subject: Kermit and Remote Printing
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I am quite new to this field and don't know kermit at all.
I have a question that I hope one of the kermit boffins can
help me solve.
We have a UNIX box running IMPACT software under XENIX at one site, and
a 486 DOS PC at a remote site.  A printer is connected to the remote
"DOS" site.  The two sites are connected via modem.  The "DOS" site has 
kermit installed on it.  

Now for the problem.  We would like to do remote printing from the XENIX
site on the DOS site's printer.  Is there a way with kermit to do this, and
if so, how do you do it.  Even a reference to a site with kermit FAQ's will
help.  The DOS site is at a warehouse and usually "unattended".  The XENIX site
would like to print orders at the warehouse "automatically", so that the
workers can just pick up the printout, and ship the order.

Any ideas will be welcome.
Please e-mail replies to
obie@elan.sfri.ac.za

Thank you for your time
Obie Oberholster


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Phil  Launchbury (phil.launchbury@galint.com) wrote:
> Sven Guckes <guckes@math.fu-berlin.de> wrote:

> >Christoph Zengerling <Christoph.Zengerling@uni-konstanz.de> writes:

> >>What I want is to send my mail using kermit...

> >"kermit" isn't for sending mails.  MTAs are.

> In fact, kermit is a transport protocol (I think..)

Program Kermit does have a command MAIL, but
I don't understand why anyone would want to use
this facility. It does not even have an option to put in
a Subject line.
What I understand is that you have a Kermit on host A, 
in command mode, talking to a Kermit on host B in server mode.
Then from host A, you can give a command MAIL <file> <recipient>,
and the file will be sent from A to B using the kermit
protocol, and subsequently e-mailed from host B to recipient,
presumably by calling 'mail' or 'sendmail'.
--
Peter

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit and Remote Printing
Date: 27 Oct 1995 18:11:39 GMT
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In article <46l4gb$1th@ucthpx.uct.ac.za>,
Obie Oberholster  <obie@elan.sfri.ac.za> wrote:
: I am quite new to this field and don't know kermit at all.  I have a
: question that I hope one of the kermit boffins can help me solve.  We
: have a UNIX box running IMPACT software under XENIX at one site, and a
: 486 DOS PC at a remote site.  A printer is connected to the remote "DOS"
: site.  The two sites are connected via modem.  The "DOS" site has kermit
: installed on it.
: 
: Now for the problem.  We would like to do remote printing from the XENIX
: site on the DOS site's printer.  Is there a way with kermit to do this,
: and if so, how do you do it.  Even a reference to a site with kermit
: FAQ's will help.  The DOS site is at a warehouse and usually
: "unattended".  The XENIX site would like to print orders at the
: warehouse "automatically", so that the workers can just pick up the
: printout, and ship the order.
: 
Follow the directions in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", for making
the PC the remote computer, and put it server mode.  You can protect it
with a password, etc, if you want to.

Now C-Kermit on the Xenix computer can place a call to the PC's modem
and then simply:

  send <filename> prn

More info about Kermit manuals and Kermit itself at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

- Frank

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From: evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies
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In article <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
	Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:

>This is to announce new technical support policies for Kermit software.
>Effective immediately, but with a grace period extending through
>November 30, 1995:

> . Phone support may be obtained by calling +1 (900) 555-5595.
>   Calls to this number cost $2.50 per minute.

> . Phone support may be also be obtained by calling +1 (212) 854-5126.
>   The cost of each call is $25.00

> . Phone support is available at no charge to tech-support liaisons at
>   sites that have purchased site licenses or bulk right-to-copy licenses.

>Technical support is also available at no direct charge as follows:
> . On the Web.
> . By netnews.
> . By email to kermit-support@columbia.edu.

Excellent. This is a fine way to provide support, and much in line with
what other software organizations have done to keep support overhead to
a minimum. It provides significant incentive for people to RTFM, while
providing adequate no-cost channels to report genuine (suspected) bugs.

Now that the "it costs too much to support" excuse is gone, will this
new support policy allow the Keepers of Kermit to liberate themselves
from their silly anti-CDROM-distribution position?

-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
     SCO & Novell Unix Master Reseller / evan@telly.org / (905) 452-0504
    There are two types of people: those who divide people into two types,
                            and those who don't.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed
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In article <46n0ce$2e4@galileo.csun.edu>, swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) writes:
> In article <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold  <dold@rahul.net> wrote:
>>Stephen Walton (swalton@galileo.csun.edu) wrote:
>>
>>: [I'm seeing slow Kermit transfer speeds over a network.  My
>>:  SET parameters deleted, but they are all for high-speed.]
>>Don't you need "set send packet 2000", as well?
> 
> It's in there; I left it off the list.
> 
>>After a short session, use "statistics", or "show statistics" to see how
>>many windows were used, and what packet size was used.
> 
> The full screen display never goes above 2 out of 4 windows in use,
> and 2000-byte packets are also being used.
> 
>>You should turn off the display if you are transferring large amounts of
>>data. 
> 
> Ah.  I remember reading that but had forgotten.  It is significant for
> C Kermit because of its use of termcap/terminfo, but is it significant
> for the direct screen writes of MS-Kermit?  Even so, it is hard to
> believe it will make a factor-of-3 difference, but I'll give it
> a try.  Thanks.
---------------
	Formatted (file transfer) screens do cost a little with MSK too,
but very little unless very high speeds (or an unusually slow video system)
are used. As a guide on inherent speed as seen at my site, MSK on a 486-66
gets about 80+KB/sec for file transfers to our campus DEC Alpha cluster,
upon which CKermit is running. This is over Telnet (Ethernet topology) and 
no unprefixing done and the display left drawing its bar across the screen.
Sort of out of the box MSK but with 1KB packets and 4 window slots. CKermit
was running in server mode on the Alphas, and it had no separate screen.
	Joe D.

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From: swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton)
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In article <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold  <dold@rahul.net> wrote:
>Stephen Walton (swalton@galileo.csun.edu) wrote:
>
>: [I'm seeing slow Kermit transfer speeds over a network.  My
>:  SET parameters deleted, but they are all for high-speed.]
>Don't you need "set send packet 2000", as well?

It's in there; I left it off the list.

>After a short session, use "statistics", or "show statistics" to see how
>many windows were used, and what packet size was used.

The full screen display never goes above 2 out of 4 windows in use,
and 2000-byte packets are also being used.

>You should turn off the display if you are transferring large amounts of
>data. 

Ah.  I remember reading that but had forgotten.  It is significant for
C Kermit because of its use of termcap/terminfo, but is it significant
for the direct screen writes of MS-Kermit?  Even so, it is hard to
believe it will make a factor-of-3 difference, but I'll give it
a try.  Thanks.
-- 
Stephen Walton, California State University, Northridge
"Be careful what you wish for;  you might get it."	swalton@csun.edu

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In article <46n0ce$2e4@galileo.csun.edu>, swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) writes:
> In article <46lmt9$q71@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold  <dold@rahul.net> wrote:
>>Don't you need "set send packet 2000", as well?
> 
> It's in there; I left it off the list.

No, you *don't* need to change the SEND packet size.  That is controlled by
the receiving Kermit.  The only purpose for setting the SEND packet size
is to reduce it below what the receiver asks for (or to specify the size
if the receiving Kermit is so primitive that it doesn't ask).

				John Chandler

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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In article <46628c$qdn@chopin.udel.edu>,
Jerry Alexandratos <darkstar@chopin.udel.edu> wrote:

>Kermit is free.  But that doesn't mean that the source code can't be
>copyrighted.  Just because Kermit is available to everyone doesn't mean
>that the source code is there to be butchered by everyone (at least not
>without the author's consent).

Kermit is only free if you go get it yourself.  I suppose if you are
a university you can get away with telling the students they have
to do it themselves.  The rest of the world can't so people end
up using something else and you can't count on finding kermit
on the other end of a file transfer anymore.  

>The philosophy didn't change, just the times.

It just doesn't seem like the old days when each release would have
contributions from at least dozens of sources.  I don't think there
has been a general decline in free software.  The other contributors
have just moved to items with less restricted distribution.  Why
give something away if the people who need it can't use it?

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard)
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Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies
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evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) wrote:

>In article <46gt4j$jpl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
>	Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:

>>This is to announce new technical support policies for Kermit software.
>>Effective immediately, but with a grace period extending through
>>November 30, 1995:

>> . Phone support may be obtained by calling +1 (900) 555-5595.
>>   Calls to this number cost $2.50 per minute.

>> . Phone support may be also be obtained by calling +1 (212) 854-5126.
>>   The cost of each call is $25.00

>> . Phone support is available at no charge to tech-support liaisons at
>>   sites that have purchased site licenses or bulk right-to-copy licenses.

>>Technical support is also available at no direct charge as follows:
>> . On the Web.
>> . By netnews.
>> . By email to kermit-support@columbia.edu.

>Excellent. This is a fine way to provide support, and much in line with
>what other software organizations have done to keep support overhead to
>a minimum. It provides significant incentive for people to RTFM, while
>providing adequate no-cost channels to report genuine (suspected) bugs.

I agree.  I have the manual and work out as much as I can, and use the
USENET group when my internal brain death takes over ;-)

>Now that the "it costs too much to support" excuse is gone, will this
>new support policy allow the Keepers of Kermit to liberate themselves
>from their silly anti-CDROM-distribution position?

I've heard of biting the hand that feeds you before, but now have an
excellent example of such.

gb
Greg Bernard                     gbernard@dbc.com
1900 South Norfolk Street        All opinions, if I had any, are my own.
San Mateo CA 94403


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I had somewhat similar problems with a Renex protocol converter and
communications between a Unix-based C-Kermit and MVS/TSO Kermit at
my last client. As for you, the difficulties emerged when moving to the
Renex from another brand (which name I forget). In any case, I discovered
the following things when asked to help out:
    1) Renex doesn't recommend use of XON/XOFF flow-control at speeds
       above 9600 baud, and told me that they were going to remove it as
       a configuration option for higher-speed ports in the future.
       I think that 9600 is a general cutoff for software flow-control
       use in most environments, at least informally. So use RTS/CTS
       flow-control if at all possible. It's also faster.
    2) Remember that flow-control is without meaning on the IBM mainframe
       side of the protocol converter. RS232 flow-control, that is.
       Communications are SNA/SDLC from that point to MVS/TSO Kermit,
       which communicates with tput, and has therefore no control over
       flow.
    3) As a corollary to (2), if your modems have an option to pass
       flow-control thru the phone or WAN connection so as to achieve
       application-to-application flow-control, DISABLE it, at least if
       you are using a reasonably recent mode such as V.42. All that
       matters is that the Renex control flow to its local modem, and that
       the host on the other end of the line do the same to its local
       modem. The modems will take care of the rest. The modems in my
       situation were Motorola Codex's (if memory serves...), they had this
       option, and disabling it was one of the keys to the solution.
    4) Renex had some internal port monitoring software which we made a
       little use of (as does Kermit, of course). I found Renex tech
       support to be quite capable and helpful, once I got their
       attention. Unlike some vendors, they took Kermit seriously and
       were interested in catering to Kermit users.

Hope this helps....Nick G.
+------------------------------+----------------------------------------+
| Just another roller-bearing  | Nick Geovanis     U54294@uicvm.uic.edu |
| ...in the Data Warehouse     |     Unix software and sysadmin         |
+------------------------------+----------------------------------------+

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: how to get  DOS kermit c source code?
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In article <jamess.39.002D9FB7@winternet.com>,
JamesSturdevant <jamess@winternet.com> wrote:
>In article <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>>But you keep missing the fact that not only can't someone improve
>>kermit and sell it, they also can't improve it and give it away
>>as has happened with lots of other software. 
>
>That isn't true.  In the past few years, I have added a number of features to 
>MS-Kermit.  I sent them back to Columbia and they are now included for all to 
>use. 

Yes, you can give it back to Columbia.  You can't give the modified copies
to your friends.

>The point is that if you have an idea to improve Kermit, suggest it, or code 
>it yourself and send it in.  If it is a good idea, the chances of it being 
>selected are good.  If it's not, the Kermit team will explain why they cannot 
>use it.

I've done that. You'll find my name among the large list of contributors
to the unix version. I still can't give copies to the people who need
it. I can't count on kermit being available on other systems I call
because it can't be included in distributions.  I probably won't do
it again.

>One of the things that has kept Kermit strong and improving over the years is 
>that there is a single point for Kermit distribution, keeping it consistant.  
>If you read the notes from Frank on how difficult it is to code things for the 
>various versions of UNIX (or is it Unix or unix...) you can see that see that 
>having multiple distributions, each with their own idiosyncrasies, is not a 
>good thing.

I agree in terms of having a single point of control, but I don't see
how allowing free distribution hurts any of the GNU or BSD code.  Yes,
it is a massive job and I don't object to having commercial versions.
I just wish some version could be turned over to the GNU project or
some other group that could maintain it in a form that is freely
available, even if it just did the basic file transfers without all
the new bells and whistles.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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Hello!

I have a couple of problems with MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation:

1) If I execute VT300.INI to emulate the LK200 keyboard I can no
longer use the rollback feature, at least by whole screens, because
PageUp is tied to the Previous Screen key. I can only use Ctrl/PageUp
to move one line at a time. Do you know any way to move a screenful at
a time?

2) How can I stop the screen? I know that Ctrl/S works, but I'd prefer
a single key to act like a Hold/Release button. Can I have that?

Thank you
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From: chau0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Sothamith Chau)
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I am having a problem getting C-Kermit to interact properly on a Sun 1000
with a telebit modem. C-Kermit functions properly, but after HANGUP and
leaving the program, users attempting to dial into the machine will
receieve a connection to the modem, but will never get the login prompt.

We have isolated Kermit as the program affecting a change in the config of
the modem and port. I can reset the modem/port to allow logins again by
using 'tip cuab' and sending "ATL7\n", then subsequently issuing
'sacadm -x -p zsmon' as superuser. However, I would prefer to address the
reason why Kermit is changing this configuration, and how, via either some
commands that I am overlooking, or via a code modification, I can change
this.

I have searched desperately though my Using C-Kermit book by da Cruz and 
Gianone-- to no avail. If anyone has any suggestions I sure would 
appreciate an email, or a reply to this posting.

Thanks

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: VT300 terminal emulation
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In article <1995Oct27.154634.911@cesi>, meregalli@cesi.it (Alberto Meregalli (DIF)) writes:
> Hello!
> 
> I have a couple of problems with MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation:
> 
> 1) If I execute VT300.INI to emulate the LK200 keyboard I can no
> longer use the rollback feature, at least by whole screens, because
> PageUp is tied to the Previous Screen key. I can only use Ctrl/PageUp
> to move one line at a time. Do you know any way to move a screenful at
> a time?
> 
> 2) How can I stop the screen? I know that Ctrl/S works, but I'd prefer
> a single key to act like a Hold/Release button. Can I have that?
> 
---------
	Don't bother with vt300.ini. The bare MSK does a very nice job
of all this. You can review vt300.ini and see if there are parts you
wish to keep or modify.
	Please have a look at the documentation on keyboard verbs. You
will find \kholdscrn. That shows too if you say SET KEY, press any key,
then press ? for the definition (see choices).
	Joe D.

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In article <46tule$p9n@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk>, etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk writes:
> It takes a few minutes for me to get a 1.5 megabyte binary file from
> somewhere in the USA to my host in London; it then took 3.75 HOURS
> to download this to my computer via modem (a local call) using C-Kermit!
> What can I do about that? Explanations gratefully received.
> --Ivan-- etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk
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	None offered on such skimpy evidence. I presume you have
considered the file size and the speed of your modem connection
and made the appropriate calculations about how long it takes.
The release documentation offers many helpful words of advice
on performance selections.
	Joe D.

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In article <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <1995Oct20.092232.64321@cc.usu.edu>,
> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:

SNIP....

> 
> What I'm saying is that Berkeley copyrighted code has found it's way
> into almost everything, and has helped a lot of people.  There is
> Les Mikesell

Les, so has the sendmail program, the major loophole into unix that people
are STILL exploiting 10 years after the Morris internet worm... if the
send mail program had been single-sourced like kermit maybe it would
have been fixed...  i'm glad i run another type system looking at
stuff like that.

no flames please, just my humble opinion that may and probably is wrong.

Jim

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In article <46tksi$qeq@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <jamess.39.002D9FB7@winternet.com>,
> JamesSturdevant <jamess@winternet.com> wrote:
>>In article <46hf3j$li3@Mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>>>But you keep missing the fact that not only can't someone improve
>>>kermit and sell it, they also can't improve it and give it away
>>>as has happened with lots of other software. 
>>
>>That isn't true.  In the past few years, I have added a number of features to 
>>MS-Kermit.  I sent them back to Columbia and they are now included for all to 
>>use. 
> 
> Yes, you can give it back to Columbia.  You can't give the modified copies
> to your friends.
> 
>>The point is that if you have an ideaFrom news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 28 19:01:02 1995
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It takes a few minutes for me to get a 1.5 megabyte binary file from
somewhere in the USA to my host in London; it then took 3.75 HOURS
to download this to my computer via modem (a local call) using C-Kermit!
What can I do about that? Explanations gratefully received.
--Ivan-- etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk

rsions.
> I just wish some version could be turned over to the GNU project or
> some other group that could maintain it in a form that is freely
> available, even if it just did the basic file transfers without all
> the new bells and whistles.
----------
	Being practical here rather than arguing over moralistic issues,
users are far better off getting the latest Kermits from Columbia rather
than using ancient versions found on distribution media. Look at how old
that stuff is. Getting them is very easy. Supporting them is not cheap, as 
you know and seemingly wish to avoid.
	Joe D.

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This may have asked numerous times but I need the info pretty bad.

I'm trying to download Big Files from a HP server. The Y-modem-G was not 
robust enough, and Z-modem has some problem working out. Basically the 
I'm logging into the HP server as a dumb terminal. Both the HP-UX kermit 
and the OS/2 kermit (on my end) are 5A(191). But for some reason, I 
cannot break through the 1041cps barrier. Using the Y-modem-G, the 
maximum transfer is at 1681cps. The modems (a Hayes Accura 14.4 and a 
Cardinal 14.4) operate at 14.4bps. On the average, I get one transfer 
error every 10 minutes (that's mathmatical average -- the real stuff is 
quite random but the phone noise is there).

On the HP-UX end, the only thing I do is "kermit -i -x." On the OS/2 end, 
I have set packet size to 2048, window slots to 24, and everything else 
is as-is. 

Is there any other things I can/should do? I tried to use MS-Kermit 
(MS-DOS version). On that one, I couldn't even raise the packet length 
beyond 371! Oh well...

If anyone has suggestions or insights, please e-mail me. I'm not really 
familiar with kermit so pleae bear with me.

TIA

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From: JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu (Jason Stephenson)
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Here's one that's got me stumped:
 
I just recently got a new machine with a faster (Global Village Teleport Gold
II) modem and am now having problems downloading with Kermit.  It seems when
I try to download a file on my Performa 6116CD at 9600 bps my modem hangs up.
I didn't have this problem at 2400 bps on the internal modem in my PowerBook
145, but of course I'd rather not have to go back to using the slower modem.
I've read the FAQ and Using C-Kermit and tried everything that I can think
of: setting speed matching off as well as on, tried all possible parity
settings, etc.  Is there something I'm not doing.  This problem occurs
with Mac-Kermit 0.991(190) and 0.992(192).  I have edit 188, but haven't
tried it, since I'm fairly certain that it will happen there as well.  Oh,
and you'd probably also like to know that this is happening while trying to
download from VM/CMS on an IBM 3090 mainframe through a series 1 protocol
converter.  Anyone have any suggestions?
 
And I'm supposed to be fixing MacKermit! :-)
 
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|   jjstep00@ukcc.uky.edu    |        said Alice.          |
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed
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In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.951029001618.14977A-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>, Psychos 'R Us <honge@creighton.edu> writes:
> This may have asked numerous times but I need the info pretty bad.
> 
> I'm trying to download Big Files from a HP server. The Y-modem-G was not 
> robust enough, and Z-modem has some problem working out. Basically the 
> I'm logging into the HP server as a dumb terminal. Both the HP-UX kermit 
> and the OS/2 kermit (on my end) are 5A(191). But for some reason, I 
> cannot break through the 1041cps barrier. Using the Y-modem-G, the 
> maximum transfer is at 1681cps. The modems (a Hayes Accura 14.4 and a 
> Cardinal 14.4) operate at 14.4bps. On the average, I get one transfer 
> error every 10 minutes (that's mathmatical average -- the real stuff is 
> quite random but the phone noise is there).
> 
> On the HP-UX end, the only thing I do is "kermit -i -x." On the OS/2 end, 
> I have set packet size to 2048, window slots to 24, and everything else 
> is as-is. 
> 
> Is there any other things I can/should do? I tried to use MS-Kermit 
> (MS-DOS version). On that one, I couldn't even raise the packet length 
> beyond 371! Oh well...
------------
	Your last paragraph contains a useful piece of information. A
packet length of 371 bytes is not the kind of number we normally choose
for packets, but it is the kind of number which arises when a packet is
dinged and the sending side shrinks them upon retries. That's the "rubber
packet" heuristic.
	In most cases of this kind our first response is "flow control,
flow control!" For best flow control use hardware RTS/CTS between your
machine and the modem, expect the modems to do their modem to modem
flow control under V.everything, and cross your fingers that your remote
host does snappy flow control with its modem too. Flow control must be
carried through from end to end, else traffic jams yield lost bytes.
	The second response is, maybe there is a terminal server or other
comms box between you and the host and it is unable to handle fast traffic
without dropping bytes. Terminal servers are often quite wierd boxes.
	The third and usually last blind suggestion is ensure your OS/2
end has a decent serial port, typically a 16550A UART, so it does not 
drop bytes under load.
        Hopefully in this list will be something which applies.
	Joe D.

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From: shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu (Tim Shoppa)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit, Compuserve and VMS
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In article <46s20o$mjh@flood.xnet.com>,
Peter Mikalajunas <kd9fb@flood.xnet.com> wrote:
>
>We use Compuserve's network to provide access to our VMS system.
>
>When users login, they have a menu that allows them to send PC files
>to other users via C-Kermit.  Unfortunately the files are being 
>trashed.
>
>On the VMS side, I have:
>SET FILE TYPE BINARY
               ^^^^^^
>SET BUFFERS 32000 32000
>SET REC PACK 4096
>SET SEND PACK 4096
>SET PARITY SPACE
>SET FILE BYTE 7
>...
>The files are mainly zipped archives.   The files upload and download
                      ^^^
>ok.  But zip reports an error when unzipping.  The file size is ok, but
>the 32 bit CRC is changed in the upload/download process.  I have checked
>and once the file is uploaded, Zip on the VMS also reports a trashed 
>archive.

Ack!  You didn't read the .BWR file that came with VMS C-Kermit, did you?
Quoting from the file...

----begin quote

FILE TRANSFER

File transfer modes (TEXT vs BINARY) are set automatically for each file when
sending.  The SET FILE TYPE BINARY and SET FILE TYPE TEXT commands are ignored
when sending files.  To force binary-mode transmission, use SET FILE TYPE
IMAGE.  See the VMS appendix of "Using C-Kermit".

----end quote

ZIP files on VMS are Stream-LF type files, which C-Kermit will interpret
as text type files.  You want SET FILE TYPE IMAGE.

Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu)

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Hello
I have set kermit 3.14 up in such a way that students at our university will be
able to press an "F" key and switch to a given language.  I have set up kermit
to decode much more than the standard LATIN1, LATIN2, CYRILLIC, and HEBREW that
comes as is.  For F10 I have kermit load "DANSI" which is a Korean "hangul"
language interpreter TSR.  To activate or deactivate it one must press
<ctrl>-<shift>-<space bar>.  I have implemented a slick ".ini" file that
unloads any TSRs before loading another.  There is a bug however.  If DANSI is
activated and I press another "F" key for another language, by unloading it
while it is active, it messes the screen up and there seems to be no recovering
from this once it happens.  What I would like to do is with all other "F" key
kermit scripts, have kermit "type" <ctrl>-<shift>-<space bar> to first
deactivate DANSI, and then proceed to unload any TSRs.  This would eliminate
the screen mess.

--
-Jeff
feeley@astro.ocis.temple.edu


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Subject: Re: Can kermit output key combos?
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In article <46uq3f$ggm@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, feeley@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Jeff Feeley) writes:
> Hello
> I have set kermit 3.14 up in such a way that students at our university will be
> able to press an "F" key and switch to a given language.  I have set up kermit
> to decode much more than the standard LATIN1, LATIN2, CYRILLIC, and HEBREW that
> comes as is.  For F10 I have kermit load "DANSI" which is a Korean "hangul"
> language interpreter TSR.  To activate or deactivate it one must press
> <ctrl>-<shift>-<space bar>.  I have implemented a slick ".ini" file that
> unloads any TSRs before loading another.  There is a bug however.  If DANSI is
> activated and I press another "F" key for another language, by unloading it
> while it is active, it messes the screen up and there seems to be no recovering
> from this once it happens.  What I would like to do is with all other "F" key
> kermit scripts, have kermit "type" <ctrl>-<shift>-<space bar> to first
> deactivate DANSI, and then proceed to unload any TSRs.  This would eliminate
> the screen mess.
--------------
	As I interpret your message the DANSI TSR uses hot key combo
<control><shift><space bar> and that would be the TSR trapping keyboard
information beneath the BIOS. Kermit does not bypass the keyboard BIOS,
and it never "feeds" information down there to percolate upward. So the
answer to the question is no, Kermit can't do what you want.
	Joe D.

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We use Compuserve's network to provide access to our VMS system.

When users login, they have a menu that allows them to send PC files
to other users via C-Kermit.  Unfortunately the files are being 
trashed.

On the VMS side, I have:
SET FILE TYPE BINARY
SET BUFFERS 32000 32000
SET REC PACK 4096
SET SEND PACK 4096
SET PARITY SPACE
SET FILE BYTE 7


On the PC side, using MS-Kermit, I have:
SET PARITY SPACE
SET FILE TYPE BINARY
SET REC PACK 4096
SET SEND PACK 4096


The files are mainly zipped archives.   The files upload and download
ok.  But zip reports an error when unzipping.  The file size is ok, but
the 32 bit CRC is changed in the upload/download process.  I have checked
and once the file is uploaded, Zip on the VMS also reports a trashed 
archive.


Any help would be appreciated.


Pete Mikalajunas
kdf9b@xnet.com
http://www.xnet.com/~kd9fb




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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Problems with C-Kermit & the modem device
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In article <46ok86$f16@maroon.tc.umn.edu>,
Sothamith Chau <chau0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu> wrote:
: I am having a problem getting C-Kermit to interact properly on a Sun 1000
: with a telebit modem. C-Kermit functions properly, but after HANGUP and
: leaving the program, users attempting to dial into the machine will
: receieve a connection to the modem, but will never get the login prompt.
: 
: We have isolated Kermit as the program affecting a change in the config of
: the modem and port. I can reset the modem/port to allow logins again by
: using 'tip cuab' and sending "ATL7\n", then subsequently issuing
: 'sacadm -x -p zsmon' as superuser. However, I would prefer to address the
: reason why Kermit is changing this configuration, and how, via either some
: commands that I am overlooking, or via a code modification, I can change
: this.
: 
This is an open problem.  I don't think it's Kermit's "fault".  There has
been no end of trouble with ports on Solaris, particularly those that are
set up for bidirectional use, when the same code (more or less) works on
hundreds of other UNIX versions.

According to one informant, there is a bug in Solaris 2.3 that causes this;
bug ID 1191317, and a corresponding patch 101720-02, but there is no
corresponding patch for Solaris 2.4.  It's not clear to me whether Sun
acknowledges a bug in Solaris 2.4.

Many people point out that the problem does not happen with TIP, CU, etc.
But that, I believe, is because these are Sun products, which are either
engineered to work around the problem, or are coded to use some API that
we don't know about.  Another informant supplies this hint (regarding
TIP): "it opens the port, does an ioctl setflags with XCLUDE and
HUPCL...".  Evidently XCLUDE is not documented anywhere, except in the
header file <sys/termios.h> that defines it:

  #define XCLUDE 0100000  /* *V7* Exclusive use coming from XENIX */

That's all I know.  Further info would be appreciated, especially from
anybody who has a Solaris 2.3 or 2.4 system and a bidirectional port who
can try adding this flag and seeing what difference it makes.  In the
meantime, it seems the safest course is (as always) to avoid bidirectional
port setups in Solaris (and most other UNIX variants) whenever possible.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Modem file for MS-Kermit 3.14 and Compaq
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In article <HUGGINS.95Oct28142026@tarski.eecs.umich.edu>,
James K. Huggins <huggins@tarski.eecs.umich.edu> wrote:
>I just recently picked up a nice new Compaq Presario machine with
>a Compaq proprietary 14.4 fax/modem.  Any ideas out there as to
>which of the standard modem files with MS-Kermit is the "best" to
>use with it?
>
>I seem to have reasonable success with the Practical Peripherals
>script (PPI.SCR), though I needed to add a new option (S35=0) to get
>my modem to stop sending some goofy tone across the line.  Just
>wondering if anyone was familiar with the Compaq modems enough to
>know if there's a better choice.
>

I suppose it would be too much to hope for that the modem came with a
manual or even a reference card.  We hear stories all too often of
prepackaged internal modems that not only come with no documentation at
all, but not even a brand name.  So the poor user has no idea what to do
with it, other than to use the prebundled software, which, of course, only
runs under the prebundled operating system -- i.e. Windows.  The problem
is often compounded by PC makers who go for cheap RPI modems rather than
full-function ones...

Anyway, in case you do have the command list, you can always send it
in to us so we can at least add it to our pile of new kinds of modems
to support.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed
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In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.951029001618.14977A-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>,
Psychos 'R Us  <honge@creighton.edu> wrote:
>This may have asked numerous times but I need the info pretty bad.
>
>I'm trying to download Big Files from a HP server. The Y-modem-G was not 
>robust enough, and Z-modem has some problem working out. Basically the 
>I'm logging into the HP server as a dumb terminal. Both the HP-UX kermit 
>and the OS/2 kermit (on my end) are 5A(191). But for some reason, I 
>cannot break through the 1041cps barrier. Using the Y-modem-G, the 
>maximum transfer is at 1681cps. The modems (a Hayes Accura 14.4 and a 
>Cardinal 14.4) operate at 14.4bps. On the average, I get one transfer 
>error every 10 minutes (that's mathmatical average -- the real stuff is 
>quite random but the phone noise is there).
>
>On the HP-UX end, the only thing I do is "kermit -i -x." On the OS/2 end, 
>I have set packet size to 2048, window slots to 24, and everything else 
>is as-is. 
>
>Is there any other things I can/should do? I tried to use MS-Kermit 
>(MS-DOS version). On that one, I couldn't even raise the packet length 
>beyond 371! Oh well...
>
There is no such limit in MS-DOS Kermit -- probably this was an artifact
of C-Kermit's buffer size divided by its window size.  Just increase the
buffer size appropriately before selecting the window and packet sizes.
You can read all about this in the documentation.

In general, any speed that can be achieved with Zmodem can also be
achieved with Kermit on the same connection.  Zmodem defaults are tuned
for maximum speed; Kermit's are tuned for robustness.  If Zmodem fails,
you can change its defaults to add robustness features -- escaping,
windowing, etc -- and if Kermit is too slow you can crank up its packet
length and window size, and you can tell it not to escape any set of
control characters.  ZIP-file transfer speeds well in excess of 1600 bps
are routinely achieved on the exact type of connection you have, using
C-Kermit 5A(191) on OS/2 and C-Kermit 5A(190) on HP-UX -- if you have an
older version on HP-UX then you should install the current one.

Lots more info on this subject in our FAQ:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt
  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html

- Frank

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From: patf@supernet.net (Pat Fogarty)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Text-mode net access (was: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8)
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Frank,

May I repost an excerpt from your recent post on the implications of 
abandoning text as our primary form of communication? 

With proper attribution of course.


Thanks,

Pat


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From: patf@supernet.net (Pat Fogarty)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Text-mode net access (was: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL 8)
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@news.columbia.edu) wrote:

: Over its first twenty years, the net (first the ARPAnet, then the
: Internet) was an incredibly valuable tool for cooperation, collaboration,
: mutual help, research and development, standards generation, and
: innovation.  "Content" was constantly being added to it -- software, all
: kinds of information, discussions of new ideas, etc.  Most of this content
: came in the form of text: source code, prose, bibliographic information,
: messages, email, conferences, etc.

: Then, at some point in the recent past, the net became the Information
: Superhighway -- an object of commerce and mass consumerism.  Which is not
: a bad thing: it's a kind of public recognition of all the hard work and
: deep thought that went into building the net and building up its vast
: resources of content.

: But at the same, the net became "easy to use".  To grossly simplify what
: this means: one no longer actively accesses the net in "read/write" mode;
: rather, one passively points and clicks on things.  Most of the modern net
: access software is designed to extract things from the net, rather than
: add things to it.  It's as if the content had become frozen in time,
: except, of course, for all the commercial offerings.  It's like a museum,
: in which everybody looks at the items on display and then stops at the
: gift shop on the way out and spends a pile of money.  Soon, even the items
: on display will lose their attraction, and we will be left with nothing
: but an electronic shopping mall.

: There has been a lot of discussion in various fora (sorry, forums) to the
: effect that "text is dead".  I, for one, would like to think calmer heads
: will prevail.  NOTHING can replace text, because anything that you can
: think of depends on some particular interpreter that runs only on some
: specific operating-system/hardware-platform, and all of these items become
: obsolete with amazing speed in today's fast-paced marketplace.

: Take e-mail as an example.  Why are we still stuck with a primitive 7-bit
: ASCII form of exchange?  Because nothing else works.  Everything else, at
: best, depends on viewers and interpreters that the recipient probably does
: not have because they are platform-dependent (MIME or no MIME), and at
: worst, doesn't even get delivered because of transparency problems.

: 200 years from now, if anybody happens to have carried this message
: forward across the many changes that will have occurred in storage media,
: nobody will have any trouble reading it.  I don't think you can say the
: same for any other form of electronically stored information.

: Which brings us back to the original posting.  Internet Service Providers
: should not be quite so quick to lock out people who wish to access the net
: text mode, because those are the very people who are most likely to keep
: adding content and value to the net (unless your definition of "value"
: happens to include surreptitiously scanned-in centerfold pictures :-)

: - Frank

Well said! May I upload this elsewhere as rebuttal to the mouseaholics?

With proper attribution, of course.

Thanks,


Pat

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Arrrrggggghhhhhhhhh.........sorry for the multiple posts (and email). Our
news server has been a bit weird the last few days.  Oh, well.

Pat
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: C-Kermit Linux binary needed
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Can anybody help with this?  I find the idea of a Linux system with
no compiler a little strange, but maybe that's the new way...  (If
you have a binary that fits these requirements, you can upload it to
kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/incoming -- in binary mode, of
course).  Thanks!

- Frank

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:45:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: alissa fill <aafill@falcon.cc.ukans.edu>
Subject: Kermit

I need a linux binary for kermit, but the versions that are on the site 
kermit.columbia.edu are compiled for an older library than I have and I 
am unable to use it.

I have libc.so.5.0.9 for Linux (slackware) and libc.so.5 is linked to it. 
Your compilation requires libc.so.4, but as I do not have that older 
version it gives me an error. I even tried making a link called libc.so.4 
to my library file but it did not work.

If you could please compile a version that would work on my linux system 
it would be much appreciated. I do not have any linux compilers so I am 
unable to do it myself.

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From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit freezes when inactive
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Has anyone seen anything like this?

I'm operating MS-Kermit 3.14 over a network running TCP/IP.  It 
communicates through an ethernet card with a packet driver and 
winpkt.com.  Sometimes I call it up from DOS and sometimes in a DOS 
window under Windows 3.1.

Fairly regularly if I'm logged into a remote host, if I let the 
connection sit idle for a while, when I try to use it, it's frozen. 
Kermit itself is not frozen, since I can escape to the command line and 
even use other sessions.  If I give the hangup command, however, the 
cursor will move back to the beginning of the command line and Kermit will 
lock up solid.  If I'm in DOS, I have to reboot.  If I'm in Windows, I 
can ctrl-alt-del back to Program Manager, but no program will be able to 
access the network until I reboot the computer (if I restart Kermit, it 
will not connect, and Trumpet winsock will not start up).

I also use MSKermit to connect to these same hosts from home over a phone 
line, and this lockup never happens.  It is not being caused by an 
inactivity time-out at the other end.  It only happens with MSKermit; I 
also use various winsock-based telnet clients, and have never had this 
happen.

Does anyone have a clue?  I don't, and I'd sure appreciate one.

David Johns

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From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C-Kermit, Compuserve and VMS
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In article <47079q$1ju@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,
Tim Shoppa <shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu> wrote:
>
>Ack!  You didn't read the .BWR file that came with VMS C-Kermit, did you?
>Quoting from the file...
>
>----begin quote
>
>FILE TRANSFER
>
>File transfer modes (TEXT vs BINARY) are set automatically for each file when
>sending.  The SET FILE TYPE BINARY and SET FILE TYPE TEXT commands are ignored
>when sending files.  To force binary-mode transmission, use SET FILE TYPE
>IMAGE.  See the VMS appendix of "Using C-Kermit".
>
>----end quote
>
True enough. However, this holds for files being send *from* the VMS 
system. I believe in this case the files are being send *to* the VMS system.
>
>ZIP files on VMS are Stream-LF type files, which C-Kermit will interpret
>as text type files.  You want SET FILE TYPE IMAGE.
>
Not necessarily. ZIP2.01 produces zipfiles which have fixed 
512-byte-length records which is the same as C-Kermit's default binary 
mode on a VMS system. Some earlier versions of ZIP *did* use STREAM_LF 
mode, however. But, as I averred above, isn't all thie irrelevant since 
the original poster is sending files *to* the VMS system, in which case 
they should come out fixed, 512-byte record-length files and the versions 
of Info-zip's UNZIP currently available should be able to handle this 
just fine.



















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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit freezes when inactive
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In article <470nsi$c7e@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes:
> Has anyone seen anything like this?
> 
> I'm operating MS-Kermit 3.14 over a network running TCP/IP.  It 
> communicates through an ethernet card with a packet driver and 
> winpkt.com.  Sometimes I call it up from DOS and sometimes in a DOS 
> window under Windows 3.1.
> 
> Fairly regularly if I'm logged into a remote host, if I let the 
> connection sit idle for a while, when I try to use it, it's frozen. 
> Kermit itself is not frozen, since I can escape to the command line and 
> even use other sessions.  If I give the hangup command, however, the 
> cursor will move back to the beginning of the command line and Kermit will 
> lock up solid.  If I'm in DOS, I have to reboot.  If I'm in Windows, I 
> can ctrl-alt-del back to Program Manager, but no program will be able to 
> access the network until I reboot the computer (if I restart Kermit, it 
> will not connect, and Trumpet winsock will not start up).
> 
> I also use MSKermit to connect to these same hosts from home over a phone 
> line, and this lockup never happens.  It is not being caused by an 
> inactivity time-out at the other end.  It only happens with MSKermit; I 
> also use various winsock-based telnet clients, and have never had this 
> happen.
> 
> Does anyone have a clue?  I don't, and I'd sure appreciate one.
------------
	The clue resides in the other half of the connection story: the
remote host. If that host happens to be a Linux system then please be
aware that some such lose their ARP cache and fail to communicate after
the timeout. You should also get 21 May 95 edition of MSK if you don't
have it (kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, binary file msvibm.zip).
	The "lockup" is waiting for the other end to respond to a proper
TCP segment, and the timeout can be a couple of minutes.
	Joe D.

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In <1995Oct29.143451.65294@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:

#          The clue resides in the other half of the connection
#   story: the remote host. If that host happens to be a Linux
#   system then please be aware that some such lose their ARP
#   cache and fail to communicate after the timeout. You should
#   also get 21 May 95 edition of MSK if you don't have it
#   (kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, binary file
#   msvibm.zip).
#
#          The "lockup" is waiting for the other end to respond to
#   a proper TCP segment, and the timeout can be a couple of
#   minutes.

My first move was to get the May 21 kermit.exe, and that seems to have
solved the problem on its own.

Thanks for the quick response.

David Johns

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Subject: Re: can kermit change LF's to CRLF's?
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David Stow (dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca) wrote:
: I posted this question and I'd like to thank everyone who answered and to 
: share some of the answers in case others are having the same problem.


Hiya David,

Might I add another possibility to the list? (posting was down the other
day when I first read the thread)

I had a similar problem with another freenet. Actually a worse problem.
Their unchangeable default was text mode. It was either uuencode (they
did provide it) or find a workaround.

I did find, however, that I was able to install a .kermrc (and elmrc) 
by mailing them to myself so as to be able (somewhat) to control my 
environment. I was able to use elm to move files around, edit them, 
and do a lot of other maintenance tasks without having to fiddle with
their menuing system.

The only downside is having to edit the file (or swap out the file) 
when needing to change transfer parameters.

Like Clarence said, Elvis the vi clone for clones will do the conversion.
It's a pretty good editor.


Pat

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In article <472n83$lt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

   [I wrote:]

   >I just recently picked up a nice new Compaq Presario machine with
   >a Compaq proprietary 14.4 fax/modem.  Any ideas out there as to
   >which of the standard modem files with MS-Kermit is the "best" to
   >use with it?

   >I seem to have reasonable success with the Practical Peripherals
   >script (PPI.SCR), though I needed to add a new option (S35=0) to get
   >my modem to stop sending some goofy tone across the line.  Just
   >wondering if anyone was familiar with the Compaq modems enough to
   >know if there's a better choice.

   I suppose it would be too much to hope for that the modem came with a
   manual or even a reference card.     We hear stories all too often of
   prepackaged internal modems that not only come with no documentation at
   all, but not even a brand name.  So the poor user has no idea what to do
   with it, other than to use the prebundled software, which, of course, only
   runs under the prebundled operating system -- i.e. Windows.  The problem
   is often compounded by PC makers who go for cheap RPI modems rather than
   full-function ones...

Sounds like my experience exactly.  I did manage to get a reference
manual from Compaq by writing and requesting one, which they sent for
free.  But the bloody manual assumes you know far more about the magic
of modems than I do.  

(Sheesh.  Every manual I have for this machine is either written for a
novice who's never used a computer before or for a guru who knows
everything there is to know about these systems.  Is there no room for
something in-between?  Happily, I'd classify Kermit's documentation as
one of those few in-between areas.)

Besides, the option which "fixed" my problem (ATS35=0) isn't even
*listed* in the manual I did get ... I found it in a bug report on
Compaq's Web site.  Gotta love them undocumented features.

   Anyway, in case you do have the command list, you can always send it
   in to us so we can at least add it to our pile of new kinds of modems
   to support.

Well ... I'd send it to you, but it'd most likely be wrong, since the
bloody documentation didn't list the feature I used.

But to get back to the story: the default HAYES.SCR works fine,
and tweaking PPI.SCR also seemed to work pretty well.  

-- 
Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan                               huggins@umich.edu
"You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is."
(PGP key available upon request)                             W. Bingham Hunter

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From: Psychos 'R Us <honge@creighton.edu>
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: > On the HP-UX end, the only thing I do is "kermit -i -x." On the OS/2 
: > end, I have set packet size to 2048, window slots to 24, and 
: > everything else is as-is. 
: > 
: > Is there any other things I can/should do? I tried to use MS-Kermit 
: > (MS-DOS version). On that one, I couldn't even raise the packet length 
: > beyond 371! Oh well...
: ------------
: 	Your last paragraph contains a useful piece of information. A
: packet length of 371 bytes is not the kind of number we normally choose
: for packets, but it is the kind of number which arises when a packet is
: dinged and the sending side shrinks them upon retries. That's the "rubber
: packet" heuristic.
: 	In most cases of this kind our first response is "flow control,
: flow control!" For best flow control use hardware RTS/CTS between your
: machine and the modem, expect the modems to do their modem to modem
: flow control under V.everything, and cross your fingers that your remote
: host does snappy flow control with its modem too. Flow control must be
: carried through from end to end, else traffic jams yield lost bytes.

Per someone else's suggestion, I typed these on the HP-UX kermit before 
giving it the command "server" and begin downloading:

set file type binary
set warning on
set buffer 65536 65536
set window 24
set send packet 2048
set block-check 2
set flow none
set flow rts

With OS/2 c-kermit, the transfer rate is around 1350cps. With MS-kermit, 
the transfer rate is around 880cps. The effeciency is around 18%. There 
are almost no retries. FYI, Y-modem G under same situation will do around 
1681cps with Hayes Smartcom (MS-DOS app) or halite that came with OS/2.
I have set both OS/2 ck and MS-DOS kermit to rts/cts.

: 	The second response is, maybe there is a terminal server or other
: comms box between you and the host and it is unable to handle fast traffic
: without dropping bytes. Terminal servers are often quite wierd boxes.

Yes, I did notice these are quite a weird beast. I can turn off the flow 
control but then everything will go to hell (lotza retries under kermit 
or z-modem -- y-modem g won't even work).

: 	The third and usually last blind suggestion is ensure your OS/2
: end has a decent serial port, typically a 16550A UART, so it does not 
: drop bytes under load.

The machine has Hayes ESP, which is kinda like 16550A with extended 
buffer size. The modem is Hayes Accura 14.4, which I think is also a 
decent modem...

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Is it possible to execute a macro by pressing a hotkey
in C-kermit, as it is in MS-Kermit. What I want to do
is, that by pressing a hotkey I select a file on the
remote system, escape to local system and begin to receive
the file I selected. I know this can be done on the MS-DOS
version, but I can't find anything on that subject in
the "Using C-Kermit" book.
(We are running C-Kermit 5A(190) on IBM AIX 4.1)


Thanks for any help

Henrik Mathorne
ISC A/S

ischm@inet.uni-c.dk




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Subject: Re: Macro-keys in C-Kermit ?
Date: 31 Oct 1995 14:16:58 GMT
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In article <474ue0$s8g@news.uni-c.dk>,
Henrik Mathorne <ischm@inet.uni-c.dk> wrote:
: 
: Is it possible to execute a macro by pressing a hotkey
: in C-kermit, as it is in MS-Kermit. What I want to do
: is, that by pressing a hotkey I select a file on the
: remote system, escape to local system and begin to receive
: the file I selected. I know this can be done on the MS-DOS
: version, but I can't find anything on that subject in
: the "Using C-Kermit" book.
: (We are running C-Kermit 5A(190) on IBM AIX 4.1)
: 
Long question, short answer: no.  The basic reason for this
limitation is that UNIX versions of C-Kermit do not have
direct access to the keyboard, and so they cannot "see" special
keys (like F-keys, Alt-key combinations, arrow keys, editing
keys, etc).  Only "ASCII" keys are visible, and in general you
need all of them to stand in for themselves.  A bit more about
this in item 24 of our FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

An interesting project would be to add direct keyboard access
capability to UNIX C-Kermit, so it could see keyboard scan codes
rather than just ASCII values.  However, the method for getting
at scan codes would be:

  (a) Totally dependent on exactly which kind of computer
      and keyboard you have;

  (b) Totally dependent on the particular operating system and
      version (and UNIX C-Kermit supports about 400 different
      UNIX platforms);

  (c) Dependent on whether the OS even offers an API for getting
      at the keyboard (most don't).

And even when these three conditions held, the result would still
be inconsistent even on a particular computer, depending on whether
you were at its console, logged in through a tty device, telnetted,
rlogin'd, in an xterm window, or any of various other GUI-du-jour
windows.  Bringing this capability to all the variants of C-Kermit
and keeping it up to date with new OS releases and hardware would be
a full-time job.  Still, it might be interesting to try it for a
couple of high-profile workstations -- Sun, HP, RS/6000, Linux, ...
But quite honestly, I have never seen documentation anywhere showing
how to do this.  If anybody wants to send hints, I'll be glad to add
them to my pile.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed
Date: 31 Oct 1995 14:33:16 GMT
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In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.951030000148.24557B-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>,
Psychos 'R Us  <honge@creighton.edu> wrote:
: ...
: Per someone else's suggestion, I typed these on the HP-UX kermit before 
: giving it the command "server" and begin downloading:
: 
: set file type binary
: set warning on
: set buffer 65536 65536
: set window 24
: set send packet 2048
: set block-check 2
: set flow none
: set flow rts
: 
: With OS/2 c-kermit, the transfer rate is around 1350cps.
:
Which can probably be pushed up towards 1600 bps by unprefixing
control-characters.

: With MS-kermit... 
:
Which version?

: ... the transfer rate is around 880cps. The effeciency is around 18%.
:
The percent efficiency is based on the interface speed, not the
modulation speed.  Since ZIP files can't be further compressed by
the modem, the upward bound on transferring them is approximately
1.11 times the modulation speed = 1600 cps (derivation of this figure
is left as an exercise for the reader :-).  880 cps is therefore more
like 55%, not 18%.

: There are almost no retries. FYI, Y-modem G under same situation
: will do around 1681cps with Hayes Smartcom (MS-DOS app) or halite that
: came with OS/2.  I have set both OS/2 ck and MS-DOS kermit to rts/cts.
: ...
: The machine has Hayes ESP, which is kinda like 16550A with extended 
: buffer size. The modem is Hayes Accura 14.4, which I think is also a 
: decent modem...
: 
The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board.  It can be used
at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode,
16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with
1K buffer, DMA, etc), which is quite different from anything else on the
planet and requires special drivers.  Now obviously Hayes Smartcom knows
how to drive the ESP board to full advantage, hence the higher transfer
rates with Hayes software.  I expect that the OS/2 serial driver knows
enough about the ESP to put it into 16550A mode, but beyond that, does not
bother with the Hayes-specific features.

I might be mistaken, but I believe that some special magic is required to
put the ESP in 16550A mode, and this magic first appeared in MS-DOS Kermit
version 3.14.  If that is true, then previous releases probably use it in
character-at-a-time 8250 mode, which would explain the symptoms you
report.  We did look at adding a Hayes ESP driver to MS-DOS Kermit, but it
turned out to be a huge amount of work for a relatively small audience,
and so it wound up in a rather low position on our priority list.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: HELP Control-codes missing
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In article <1995Oct31.113811.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>, higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk writes:
> Is it psooible the Control-code value sent via kermit to the
> VAX.  I am connecting to a VAX version 5.5 running on HP 9000,
> the PC side is a standard IBM compatible : 486  100MHz.
> 
> The problem is that when I using my VAX application via the PC
> (under Kermit version 3.14) and I send for example: ALT-T which
> is a control sequence for the application, all that is displayed
> is the 'T'.  But what should happen is the title references  should 
> be displayed within the application.  Therefore I would like to make
> sure that the 'Alt' part of the Control-code is getting through to 
> the application on the VAX and not being filtered out, or lost in
> the transmission.
--------------
	ALT-anything is not a control code and has no printable nor
transmission code. It is strictly a keyboard indication peculiar to
the IBM PC machine. I think you need to ask what the application wants
to hear and then use Kermit's SET KEY command to assign that sequence
to the ALT-T combination.
	Joe D.

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From: "Gary A. Foley" <gfoley@org.tec.sc.us>
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Subject: 132 column support
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I'm trying to get PCs running kermit to display 132 column screens that 
are coming from VMS.  I can't find any commands from DOS to put in 
cols132.bat file to do it, and kermit doesn't seem to do it 
automatically.  Is there some trick to this I don't know about?
(gfoley@org.tec.sc.us)


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Maximum transfer speed
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In article <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.951030000148.24557B-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>,
> Psychos 'R Us  <honge@creighton.edu> wrote:
> : ...
> : Per someone else's suggestion, I typed these on the HP-UX kermit before 
> : giving it the command "server" and begin downloading:
> : 
> : set file type binary
> : set warning on
> : set buffer 65536 65536
> : set window 24
> : set send packet 2048
> : set block-check 2
> : set flow none
> : set flow rts
> : 
> : With OS/2 c-kermit, the transfer rate is around 1350cps.
> :
> Which can probably be pushed up towards 1600 bps by unprefixing
> control-characters.
> 
> : With MS-kermit... 
> :
> Which version?
> 
> : ... the transfer rate is around 880cps. The effeciency is around 18%.
> :
> The percent efficiency is based on the interface speed, not the
> modulation speed.  Since ZIP files can't be further compressed by
> the modem, the upward bound on transferring them is approximately
> 1.11 times the modulation speed = 1600 cps (derivation of this figure
> is left as an exercise for the reader :-).  880 cps is therefore more
> like 55%, not 18%.
> 
> : There are almost no retries. FYI, Y-modem G under same situation
> : will do around 1681cps with Hayes Smartcom (MS-DOS app) or halite that
> : came with OS/2.  I have set both OS/2 ck and MS-DOS kermit to rts/cts.
> : ...
> : The machine has Hayes ESP, which is kinda like 16550A with extended 
> : buffer size. The modem is Hayes Accura 14.4, which I think is also a 
> : decent modem...
> : 
> The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board.  It can be used
> at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode,
> 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with
> 1K buffer, DMA, etc), which is quite different from anything else on the
> planet and requires special drivers.  Now obviously Hayes Smartcom knows
> how to drive the ESP board to full advantage, hence the higher transfer
> rates with Hayes software.  I expect that the OS/2 serial driver knows
> enough about the ESP to put it into 16550A mode, but beyond that, does not
> bother with the Hayes-specific features.
> 
> I might be mistaken, but I believe that some special magic is required to
> put the ESP in 16550A mode, and this magic first appeared in MS-DOS Kermit
> version 3.14.  If that is true, then previous releases probably use it in
> character-at-a-time 8250 mode, which would explain the symptoms you
> report.  We did look at adding a Hayes ESP driver to MS-DOS Kermit, but it
> turned out to be a huge amount of work for a relatively small audience,
> and so it wound up in a rather low position on our priority list.
> 
> - Frank
---------
	On the Hayes ESP board. MSK does not have special code for it.
As things turned out none was needed if the board is configured by the
ESP configuration program. It looks like a 16550A UART. The fancy DMA
transfer capability of the board is, um, not exactly what a communications
program would use and details are best left between Hayes and the programmer.
There is a Windows driver for the board, from Hayes (with that DMA stuff),
but it also runs without it.
	So the obvious suggestion here is to re-run the ESP configuration
program to be sure it's capabilities have not faded from static memory.
	Joe D.

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Subject: Re: 132 column support
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In article <475k1c$63f@news1.sunbelt.net>,
Gary A. Foley <gfoley@org.tec.sc.us> wrote:
>I'm trying to get PCs running kermit to display 132 column screens that 
>are coming from VMS.  I can't find any commands from DOS to put in 
>cols132.bat file to do it, and kermit doesn't seem to do it 
>automatically.  Is there some trick to this I don't know about?
>
When posting questions like this, you should include enough information
to allow us to answer them.  At minimum, in this case, the version of
Kermit you have (the current version is 3.14) and the type of video adapter.

There are appoximately four cases:

 1. There is no way to put your video adapter into 132-column mode.

 2. Kermit switches between 80 and 132 column mode automatically based
    on its identification of the video adapter (evidently not the case
    on your PC).

 3. Your video adapter supports 132 column mode but Kermit does not know
    the magic incantation for switching it, and so you you have set up
    the COLS132.BAT and COLS80.BAT files to do it.

 4. 132 column mode can be simulated using graphics.

This is all explained in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", as supplemented
by the KERMIT.UPD and KERMIT.BWR files on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette.

- Frank

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: how to assign output of command to variable
Date: 31 Oct 1995 04:50:22 GMT
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I am trying to write a Kermit script file for ckermit on a Unix system. 
I wish to assign the output from a Unix command to a variable similar 
to the following sh-style command:

   SomeVar=`ls`

Is it possible to do something like this in a Kermit script? Something 
like:
  
   define \%a run ls ; (i know this doesn't work)

i.e. assign the output from the ls command to the variable \%a ?

Thanks,

Gerry
gerry@blue.intele.net


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From: higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk
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Subject: HELP Control-codes missing
Date: 31 Oct 95 11:38:11 GMT
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Is it psooible the Control-code value sent via kermit to the
VAX.  I am connecting to a VAX version 5.5 running on HP 9000,
the PC side is a standard IBM compatible : 486  100MHz.

The problem is that when I using my VAX application via the PC
(under Kermit version 3.14) and I send for example: ALT-T which
is a control sequence for the application, all that is displayed
is the 'T'.  But what should happen is the title references  should 
be displayed within the application.  Therefore I would like to make
sure that the 'Alt' part of the Control-code is getting through to 
the application on the VAX and not being filtered out, or lost in
the transmission.

 Any help greatly appreacieated

       -  Tony -

Howard Higgins
higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk
South Bank University
London, England
  

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: how to assign output of command to variable
Date: 1 Nov 1995 16:05:39 GMT
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In article <4749uf$cr4@vodka.intele.net>,
Gerry Jensen <gerry@blue.intele.net> wrote:
: I am trying to write a Kermit script file for ckermit on a Unix system. 
: I wish to assign the output from a Unix command to a variable similar 
: to the following sh-style command:
: 
:    SomeVar=`ls`
: 
: Is it possible to do something like this in a Kermit script? Something 
: like:
:   
:    define \%a run ls ; (i know this doesn't work)
: 
: i.e. assign the output from the ls command to the variable \%a ?
: 
Yes:

  open !read <command>
  :LOOP
  read \%a             ; Reads a line from output of the command
  if fail goto done    ; This happens when the <command> exits

  ; Here do whatever you want to do with the line

  goto loop
  :DONE

In the example above, replace <command> by whatever command you want
to execute.  See pages 269-272 of "Using C-Kermit" for details.

- Frank

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From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair)
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Subject: Re: 132 column support
Date: 31 Oct 1995 23:35:13 GMT
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"Gary A. Foley" <gfoley@org.tec.sc.us> writes:

>I'm trying to get PCs running kermit to display 132 column screens that 
>are coming from VMS.  I can't find any commands from DOS to put in 
>cols132.bat file to do it, and kermit doesn't seem to do it 
>automatically.  Is there some trick to this I don't know about?
>(gfoley@org.tec.sc.us)

There's no standard way to put a DOS display into 132-column mode.
(On OS/2 with SVGA, you can say "mode co132,28")

MSKermit expects (requires) you to insert the appropriate commands to put
your particular display adapter into 132-column mode into the COLS132.BAT
file to have 132-column support on DOS.

If your PC is capable of running OS/2, C-Kermit for OS/2 supports 132-column.
If your PC is capable of running Win95, I suspect you'd find Kermit95 does, too.
-- 

Bob Shair                          Open Systems Consultant
1018 W. Springfield Avenue         rmshair@uiuc.edu
Champaign, IL 61821		   217/356-2684

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From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit 95 keymap vs DOS keymap?
Date: 01 Nov 1995 13:45:13 GMT
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Well, I just got my kermit 95 last night, installed it on Windows NT, and it
seems to work fine. Now I need to get it configured so everything works the
same way it did in the MS-DOS kermit I was using before.

The only major thing I have configured away from the defaults in DOS is my
key bindings. I have gazillions of them defined to make using emacs easier.
I was just wondering if anyone could tell me what the chances are that the
scan codes I use to set key bindings in DOS are the same as the scan codes
k95 accepts. (I know I could sit around running show key commands in both
versions and build a translation table, but I thought someone might already
have done this :-).
--
--
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit 95 keymap vs DOS keymap?
Date: 1 Nov 1995 22:04:13 GMT
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In article <TOM.95Nov1084513@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com>,
Tom Horsley <Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com> wrote:
: Well, I just got my kermit 95 last night, installed it on Windows NT, and it
: seems to work fine. Now I need to get it configured so everything works the
: same way it did in the MS-DOS kermit I was using before.
: 
: The only major thing I have configured away from the defaults in DOS is my
: key bindings. I have gazillions of them defined to make using emacs easier.
: I was just wondering if anyone could tell me what the chances are that the
: scan codes I use to set key bindings in DOS are the same as the scan codes
: k95 accepts. (I know I could sit around running show key commands in both
: versions and build a translation table, but I thought someone might already
: have done this :-).
: 
Well, the Kermit 95 and MS-DOS Kermit scan codes are different.  After a
lot of head-scratching, we decided the better course was to stick with the
codes that are returned by the system, rather than mapping them to the
MS-DOS Kermit equivalents.  This allows a lot more flexibility and, perhaps
more important, independence from differing keyboards (e.g. national ones)
and keyboard drivers.

However, if you look in the KEYMAPS subdirectory, you'll find most of what
you are after:

  VT220.INI, which sets up a complete VT200/300 (LK201) key map.
  EMACS.INI, which sets up EMACS bindings including Alt=Meta.

- Frank

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From: swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton)
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Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed
Date: 1 Nov 1995 15:08:51 -0800
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In article <46mcpb$i9l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu>,
>Stephen Walton <swalton@galileo.csun.edu> wrote:
>>I'm almost embarrassed to be posting this, but here goes: I'm trying
>>to transfer binary files from a 386 PC with Optical WORM disk to an HP
>>series 700 machine.
>>...
>>transfer speeds with
>>Kermit which top out at 12 Kb/s, as compared to 35 Kb/s using FTP.

>There are several potential bottlenecks.  First, of course, is the
>hardware -- the PC and the WORM disk -- which explains why FTP is so slow.

Both FTP and Kermit are quite slow on this particular machine. Since I
wrote last, I tried both on another machine (a 486/33 EISA machine) and
see transfer speeds measured in the hundreds of KB/s.  In addition to
everything else, the WORM disk goes through the ASPI driver because it
has changeable platters, which adds another layer of overhead.  However,
copying the file to transfer to the hard disk didn't speed things up.
That hard disk is also a SCSI disk with the ASPI driver between it and
MS/DOS, though, so if that is the culprit it would affect both drives.

>Second would be the Kermit protocol settings.  What happens if you crank
>up the window size and packet length?  Does it make a difference?

No.

>Third is flow control.  Tell both Kermit programs to "set flow none".
>Let TCP and IP take care of it.

Oddly enough, this seems to break the transfer.  Whenever I do 'set
flow none' the transfer hangs up as if packets are being lost.  The
specific hard/software I'm using is an NE-1000 Ethernet board with the
latest NCSA packet driver, MS/DOS 5.00, MS-Kermit 3.14, C Kermit
5A(190), HP/UX 9.05.

>Fourth is the TELNET overhead.  When you TELNET from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14
>into the HP, you are going through the HP's TELNET server, not to mention
>pty drivers and who knows what else.  It might be an interesting experiment
>to eliminate the TELNET overhead.

I followed your instructions on how to do this, and got the same slow
transfers of 12 KB/s.

>I'm sure all of our readers would be interested in further reports on how
>this goes.

I hope so :-) .
-- 
Stephen Walton, California State University, Northridge
"Be careful what you wish for;  you might get it."	swalton@csun.edu

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Hello, all,
I have a need for a batch program to simulate pressing a PF key.

I've gotten Kermit to generate the binary code for "ringing" the bell, and
piped that to a file that I can now include in any batch program.  The code
executes as soon as it is typed to the screen, and I've got a nice little 
bell-ringer whenever I want it.

Now I need an F-key presser. I've tried using show-key to display the 
decimal code, and then echoing that code.  For some reason, although the 
regular keys show up fine when their decimal code is echoed, the F and 
other function keys do not. The echo merely shows the graphic (not the key 
name) for that decimal code.  For example, echoing the code for F2 
produces <<.  When this is piped to a file, and that file typed to the 
screen, the code does not execute.

Does anyone know why the function keys behave differently and how to get 
one to execute in a batch program?

Any help would be, as always, greatly appreciated.  

Kathleen House

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: how to get  DOS kermit c source code?
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In article <1995Oct28.172619.65234@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>	Being practical here rather than arguing over moralistic issues,
>users are far better off getting the latest Kermits from Columbia rather
>than using ancient versions found on distribution media. Look at how old
>that stuff is. Getting them is very easy. Supporting them is not cheap, as 
>you know and seemingly wish to avoid.

Perhaps we agree that the world would be a better place if every
machine that communicates had a copy of the latest version of kermit
on it.  But we certainly disagree on the way to make that happen.
Count the number of programs in a typical Linux or freeBSD
distribution.  You could say that the best way to maintain a system
is to ftp each of those programs separately from it's home site
tracking all the changes, but that isn't going to make it happen
no matter how easy you claim it is for any single one.  And, if
you don't have ftp access it turns out not to be easy at all.
People want/need packaged distributions, whether by ftp or cdrom
or locally maintained archives where someone has tested the components
with each other.  Programs that can't be included just won't be
put on a lot of systems.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov
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Subject: Re: HELP Control-codes missing
Date: 31 Oct 1995 16:09:23 GMT
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In article <1995Oct31.113811.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>, higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk writes:
>Is it psooible the Control-code value sent via kermit to the
>VAX.  I am connecting to a VAX version 5.5 running on HP 9000,
>the PC side is a standard IBM compatible : 486  100MHz.

You're kidding, right?  "VAX version 5.5 running on HP 9000" doesn't mean a
thing.  Of course, it IS Halloween.  I will assume you mean VMS 5.5 running
on a VAX 9000.

 >The problem is that when I using my VAX application via the PC
 >(under Kermit version 3.14) and I send for example: ALT-T which
 >is a control sequence for the application, all that is displayed
 >is the 'T'.  But what should happen is the title references  should 
 >be displayed within the application.  Therefore I would like to make
 >sure that the 'Alt' part of the Control-code is getting through to 
 >the application on the VAX and not being filtered out, or lost in
 >the transmission.

I think you're confused.  First, "ALT" doesn't mean a thing to VMS.  You either
mean control/T or your Kermit has been programmed by someone to send some
special sequence when alt/T is entered.  

If you mean control/T, this sequence is intercepted by the operating system if
you have enabled control/T status display (it shows your CPU usage, memory,
etc).  SET NOCONTROL=T will stop this.

If someone has programmed the alt/T sequence in Kermit (I'm not sure alt
sequences can be defined, but if so it would be using the SET KEY command) it
should show in your .INI file.

Hope this helps a little.


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Hi-

I'm having troubles with changing colors in Kermit:

I can successfully change the foreground, background and underscore colors
using the set terminal color xx command.  What I can't figure out is how to
change other colors.  In particular, when connected to a VM host using Kermite
for DOS, the VM menu displays the background as black (this is OK), PF option
keys and command prompt as white (this is OK), text that is input at the
command prompt		is red (this is also OK).  

However, the text next to the PF keys which describes what you're supposed to
do with the menu displays in dark blue, and is very hard to see.  I need to
change it to a lighter blue.  I'm not sure what this text "name" is to change
it.  Changing the underscore color didn't help.

Any ideas??? --Shirley


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In article <47al3b$gr3@news-owego.endicott.ibm.com>,
Shirley Kupst  <shirley@lfs.loral.com> wrote:
: I'm having troubles with changing colors in Kermit: I can successfully
: change the foreground, background and underscore colors using the set
: terminal color xx command.  What I can't figure out is how to change other
: colors.  In particular, when connected to a VM host using Kermite for DOS,
: the VM menu displays the background as black (this is OK), PF option keys
: and command prompt as white (this is OK), text that is input at the command
: prompt is red (this is also OK).
: 
: However, the text next to the PF keys which describes what you're supposed
: to do with the menu displays in dark blue, and is very hard to see.  I need
: to change it to a lighter blue.  I'm not sure what this text "name" is to
: change it.  Changing the underscore color didn't help.
: 
Kermit lets you set your normal foreground and background (and underscore
simulation) colors that apply to ordinary text.  Other effects are
accomplished by the host application.  In your case, it sounds like the
application is sending explicit coloration escape sequences.  If the host
says "color this field blue", it'll be blue, no matter what your fore- and
background colors are.

You do have some slight degree of control, however, in that you can choose
whether the foreground color is to be bright (bold) or normal:

  SET TERMINAL COLOR 3x 4x    ; Normal
  SET TERMINAL COLOR 1 3x 4x  ; Bright

Maybe specifying (or not specifying) "bright" will make the difference.

- Frank

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Subject: Fix for TSO Kermit
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Kermit-TSO has been unable to set the working "directory" to a PDS ever
since support was added for GDG's (almost three years).  No one seems to
have noticed until just recently.  The fix is simple, at any rate.

The fix:
 
./ * SC95283 - Fix PDS "prefix" (TSO)
./ R 01415600          $ 1415600 200                  10/10/95 12:29:03
&KDATE   SETC  '95/10/10'                                      @SC95283
./ I 05085000          $ 5085100 100                  10/10/95 15:37:19
         LA    5,FSPTAB      Use table for normal DSNAMEs      @SC95283

With this update installed, it should once again be possible to CWD to
a PDS (as in "CWD 'SYS1.MACLIB()'") and then send and receive members
without having to give the DSN.

					John Chandler

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Subject: Re: Can Kermit generate key-presses?
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In article <Pine.ULT.3.91.951101184311.28875B-100000@chinook.halcyon.com>, "Kathleen M. House" <kmhouse@halcyon.com> writes:
> Hello, all,
> I have a need for a batch program to simulate pressing a PF key.

	Are you sure you really mean BATCH, as in DOS' .BAT files?
If so then that has nothing to do with Kermit; it's entirely a DOS matter.
Maybe you mean a Kermit Take file. Take files execute at the Kermit prompt
level, not during terminal emulation (Connect mode). There is no keyboard
fancy stuff at the Kermit prompt level.
 
> I've gotten Kermit to generate the binary code for "ringing" the bell, and

	That's control code Control-g, binary 7. 

> piped that to a file that I can now include in any batch program.  The code
> executes as soon as it is typed to the screen, and I've got a nice little 
> bell-ringer whenever I want it.
> 
> Now I need an F-key presser. I've tried using show-key to display the 

	That is purely a terminal emulation matter. There is no association
with Kermit prompt level nor DOS etc.

> decimal code, and then echoing that code.  For some reason, although the 
> regular keys show up fine when their decimal code is echoed, the F and 

	Look at those values. They are ASCII printable characters. Special
keys are not printable. VTxxx function keys do not send simple fixed codes;
they are terminal emulation state dependent items. Please do have a very
careful look at file msvibm.vt in the Kermit distribution kit.

> other function keys do not. The echo merely shows the graphic (not the key 
> name) for that decimal code.  For example, echoing the code for F2 
> produces <<.  When this is piped to a file, and that file typed to the 
> screen, the code does not execute.
> 
> Does anyone know why the function keys behave differently and how to get 
> one to execute in a batch program?

	Honestly, I have a big problem trying to understand what you are
trying to accomplish. As mentioned above, DOS BATCH has nothing at all to
do with Kermit.
	Joe D.

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Hello,

I'm having trouble with some macros concerning autodial-up
with kermit.

I'm just trying to have c-kermit automatically dial a number
when a given file is called. However, although I can hear the
modem dial, it ends up, out of the command mode and never makes
a connection. 

Are there some sample macros on the net, and if so where?

Thanks,


kagan

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Where can I find the source for Kermit?
		Chris




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Subject: Problem with \v(ttyfd)
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I'm trying to invoke another kermit on top of an already running
kermit. This is actually described in the documentation, but it
doesn't seem to work for me. 

Below I show that I connect via kermit to a terminal server with a
modem connected to it. I then startup another kermit and again want to
connect to the modem, but this time, it fails (sometimes it even dumps
core):

C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD)
 Copyright (C) 1985, 1994,
  Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
Type ? or HELP for help.
[/dev/tty@schilling]>set host pm-rouble 2501
 Trying 193.72.83.74...
[pm-rouble:2501@schilling]>c
Connecting to host pm-rouble:2501.
The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS)
Type the escape character followed by C to get back,
or followed by ? to see other options.
at
OK

(Back at schilling)
[pm-rouble:2501@schilling]>run kermit -l \v(ttyfd)
C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD)
 Copyright (C) 1985, 1994,
  Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
Type ? or HELP for help.
[3@schilling]>c
Connecting to 3.
The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS)
Type the escape character followed by C to get back,
or followed by ? to see other options.

Communications disconnect 
Can't read character: Bad file number
                                     (Back at schilling)
[3@schilling]>


Many thanks if you could point me to a solution!

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<lichtin@olsen.ch>                    Research Institute for Applied Economics
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit vs. FTP speed
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In article <478um3$jsk@galileo.csun.edu>, swalton@galileo.csun.edu (Stephen Walton) writes:
> In article <46mcpb$i9l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
> Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>In article <46jq0k$gol@galileo.csun.edu>,
>>Stephen Walton <swalton@galileo.csun.edu> wrote:
>>>I'm almost embarrassed to be posting this, but here goes: I'm trying
>>>to transfer binary files from a 386 PC with Optical WORM disk to an HP
>>>series 700 machine.
>>>...
>>>transfer speeds with
>>>Kermit which top out at 12 Kb/s, as compared to 35 Kb/s using FTP.
> 
>>There are several potential bottlenecks.  First, of course, is the
>>hardware -- the PC and the WORM disk -- which explains why FTP is so slow.
> 
> Both FTP and Kermit are quite slow on this particular machine. Since I
> wrote last, I tried both on another machine (a 486/33 EISA machine) and
> see transfer speeds measured in the hundreds of KB/s.  In addition to
> everything else, the WORM disk goes through the ASPI driver because it
> has changeable platters, which adds another layer of overhead.  However,
> copying the f
le to transfer to the hard disk didn't speed things up.
> That hard disk is also a SCSI disk with the ASPI driver between it and
> MS/DOS, though, so if that is the culprit it would affect both drives.
> 
>>Second would be the Kermit protocol settings.  What happens if you crank
>>up the window size and packet length?  Does it make a difference?
> 
> No.
> 
>>Third is flow control.  Tell both Kermit programs to "set flow none".
>>Let TCP and IP take care of it.
> 
> Oddly enough, this seems to break the transfer.  Whenever I do 'set
> flow none' the transfer hangs up as if packets are being lost.  The
> specific hard/software I'm using is an NE-1000 Ethernet board with the
> latest NCSA packet driver, MS/DOS 5.00, MS-Kermit 3.14, C Kermit
> 5A(190), HP/UX 9.05.

	NE-1000's are 8-bit Ethernet boards and are hardly suitable for
today's swift traffic. Are you really on an 8088 machine? If not please
try an NE-2000 16-bit board.
	NCSA doesn't make Packet Drivers. Perhaps you mean Crynwr Collection
Packet Drivers.
	The indication of loss of comms when XON/XOFF flow control is turned
off is a dead giveaway for the Ethernet board (the NE-1000) being clobbered
by fast traffic.
        Joe D.

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I am still having some problems getting MS-Kermit to do what I want it
to do. Last time I posted, I couldn't turn of the file display on the DOS side
from the UNIX side. I got that figured out now. Sorry, Frank, but your answer 
to my question was incorrect, but I appreciate the help anyway. I decided to 
give a very detailed account of what I am doing this time, to avoid misunder-
standings. 

Anyway, now I am trying to determine if a file exists on the my DOS system,
and if so send that file to the UNIX system, otherwise, I want to give some 
indication of the error to UNIX, to prevent C-Kermit from getting started.
Remember I am doing all of this kind of backwards. I start MS-Kermit on
my DOS system which is hooked to my UNIX system via a serial connection. Then
I run some program on my UNIX system that needs to tranfer files back and
forth to the DOS system. So I have to do system calls that look something like
this:

echo "\033_send c:\mydir\myfile\033\\"; kermit -r -a /tmp/myfile

This works just fine IF c:\mydir\myfile exists, otherwise, C-Kermit starts
and puts up a "ready to receive " message and then waits for the user to issue
a send command on the DOS side. Of course, that user input would never happen.

As a work around, I create script file that I send to DOS, and then tell
MS-Kermit to take that script. ie.

echo "\033_receive my_script\033\\" ; kermit -s my_script
echo "\033_take my_script\033\\" ; kermit -r receive

where my_script looks something like this:

if exists c:\mydir\my_file send c:\my_dir\my_file
if not exists c:\my_dir\my_file send my_script

This works okay. Since I send something for sure, C-Kermit doesn't hang, and
once I have the file on my UNIX system I can figure out if it is data or my 
script. It's ugly and but there are some problems.

1) I can't delete my_script, i.e. putting 'run del my_script' inside the 
   script has no effect. How come?

2) I would prefer to just send some error return (rather than my_script)
   if the data file doesn't exist. I tried using 'output ERROR' in the second 
   if but it doesn't arrive on my UNIX system. Am I missing something?

3) If this ugly way is the only way, I need to reset file collision before I
   send my_script to the DOS system. That's easy enough to do with 

   echo "\033_set file collision overwrite\033\\" 

   and my_script would include the command to set file collision to what ever
   it was before. But, here is the problem: How can I determine what file
   callision was set to, save that information, and then use it to reset 
   file collision when my_script is done?

4) Is there a GOOD source on using APC codes and MS-Kermit? I have read most
   of Using MS-Kermit and Using C-Kermit, but neither one mentions them. The
   .bwr files mention them but not in detail. 

Okay that should do it for today. BTW, I am running MS-Kermit 3.13 Patch 
level 0 dated July 8 1993 under DOS 6.2 and C-Kermit 5A(190) for UnixWare 
dated Oct/4/94 under UnixWare (thats Unix 4.2 I think).


Thanks for reading this and thanks for any help.

Ute

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Speaking of which, has anybody actually seen the rumored
shrink-wrap Kermit 95 distribution? I'd buy it if I could
find it. But it appears CompUSA, Computer City, and Egghead
have none of them heard of this (at least in the Detroit
area). At this rate, I'll have to break down and go mail
order instead. Sigh.

Craving instant gratification, and decent terminal emulation,

  Scott

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Where is kermit?
Date: 3 Nov 1995 16:33:05 GMT
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In article <476698$kj1@terminator.NCTS.NAVY.MIL>,
Chris Williams <cwilliam@ncts.navy.mil> wrote:
> Where can I find the source for Kermit?
>
  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/

FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: How are Kermit95 shipments going?
Date: 3 Nov 1995 16:44:18 GMT
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In article <30994451.37E6@dsddi.eds.com>,
R. Scott Bailey <sbailey@dsddi.eds.com> wrote:
>
> Speaking of which, has anybody actually seen the rumored 
> shrink-wrap Kermit 95 distribution? I'd buy it if I could
> find it. But it appears CompUSA, Computer City, and Egghead
> have none of them heard of this (at least in the Detroit
> area). At this rate, I'll have to break down and go mail
> order instead. Sigh.
>
>Craving instant gratification, and decent terminal emulation,
>
Kermit 95 will definitely provide the latter :-)

Getting a new product into the stores requires pressure from
both ends -- the producers and the consumers.  If your local
Egghead / CompUSA / Computer City have not heard of the product,
but you want to buy it from them, then presumably they would be
glad to sell it to you if they knew how, especially given the
dearth of Windows 95 products on the shelves so far.

We are doing our best to get the word out to them from our end,
but it also can't hurt for customers to instigate orders from
their end too.  If your computer store does not carry Kermit 95
but you would like them too, you can refer them to the
distributor:

    Micro Central Inc.
    PO Box 1009
    8998 Route 18 North
    Old Bridge NJ  08857

    Fax:   +1 (908) 360-0303
    Voice: +1 (908) 360-0300

or the publisher:

    Manning Publications
    3 Lewis Street
    Greenwich CT  06830  USA

    Fax:   +1 (203) 661 9018
    Voice: +1 (203) 629 2078
    Email: 73150.1431@Compuserve.com
    Web:   http://www.BrowseBooks.Com/BBC/kermit/Kermit.html

Thanks.

- Frank

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From: adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack )
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Subject: C-kermit dial command on vax vms crashes after 'set dial dir'
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With C-Kermit 5A(190) on VAX VMS 5.5-2 I did a 'set dial dir' to
eliminate the display line that looked to the user like an error
message when issuing a dial command with an actual phone number. The
sho dial showed (none) for the dialing directory name. when I did a
dial command with a number I got the following dump abort. Version
information is also shown afterwards:

 ------------------------------------------------------------------
 ADLVAX::system> kermit
Executing SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]CKERMIT.INI;2 for VMS...
 Dial directory is sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMIT.KDD
 Services directory is sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMIT.KSD
Executing CKERMIT_INI:CKERMIT.SYS
Executing sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMOD.INI...
Good Afternoon!
C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX
 Copyright (C) 1985, 1994,
  Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
Type ? or HELP for help.
SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] C-Kermit>set dial dir
SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] C-Kermit>dial 4444444
%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual
address=00000000, PC=00092158, PSL=0BC00000
%TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows
module name   routine name        line      rel PC    abs PC
                                           00092158  00092158
                                           0008AC89  0008AC89
CKUUS6        ludial              8041     000000B4  0006F340
CKUUS6        dodial              8118     000000D2  0006F57E
CKUUSR        docmd               8801     00000571  00075765
CKUUS5        parser              8580     000005A0  0006A4B8
CKCMAI        main                8387     0000047D  00056F61
 ADLVAX::system>
 ADLVAX::system> kermit
Executing SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]CKERMIT.INI;2 for VMS...
 Dial directory is sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMIT.KDD
 Services directory is sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMIT.KSD
Executing CKERMIT_INI:CKERMIT.SYS
Executing sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]CKERMOD.INI...
Good Afternoon!
C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX
 Copyright (C) 1985, 1994,
  Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
Type ? or HELP for help.
SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] C-Kermit>sho ver

Versions:
 C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94
 Numeric: 501190
 Communications I/O 2.0(077), 22 Sep 94 for OpenVMS VAX
 File support, 2.0(116), 4 Oct 94 for OpenVMS VAX
 C-Kermit Protocol Module 5A(072), 18 Sep 94
 C-Kermit functions, 5A(120) 18 Sep 94
 Command package 5A(067), 2 Oct 94
 User Interface 5A(156), 4 Oct 94
 Character Set Translation 5A(022), 24 Jan 94
 Connect Command 5A(036) 15 Sep 94
 Dial Command, 5A(063) 4 Oct 94
 Script Command, 5A(023) 4 Oct 94
 Network support, 5A(039) 30 Sep 94

SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] C-Kermit>q
Returning you to VMS now.
----------------------------------------------------

The problem did not occur with the AXP VMS version of C-Kermit. Both
the VAX and the working VMS C-Kermit came from the hexified code
supplied with the kermit distribution tape.

Please help, Thank you
Sol Gongola
ADL Data Systems Inc
White Plains, New York

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies
Date: 31 Oct 1995 20:54:48 -0600
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In article <46oh55$n82@ccnet2.ccnet.com>,
Greg Bernard <gbernard@dbc.com> wrote:

>>Now that the "it costs too much to support" excuse is gone, will this
>>new support policy allow the Keepers of Kermit to liberate themselves
>>from their silly anti-CDROM-distribution position?
>
>I've heard of biting the hand that feeds you before, but now have an
>excellent example of such.

Just remember the next time you are connected to a machine that
doesn't have kermit available for file transfers that you think
it is a good thing for kermit to be difficult to obtain. 

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Problem with \v(ttyfd)
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In article <DHB9AA.JGE@olsen.ch>, Martin Lichtin <lichtin@olsen.ch> wrote:
>I'm trying to invoke another kermit on top of an already running
>kermit. This is actually described in the documentation, but it
>doesn't seem to work for me. 
>
Aha - a bug.  The problem is that the second Kermit, when given the
file descriptor of a Telnet connection, does not know it is a Telnet
connection, and so does not engage in Telnet protocol with the Telnet
server on the other end.  To compound the situation, the first Kermit
might have negotiated certain key parameters (like echoing) that the
second Kermit doesn't find out about.

The same scenario works fine for serial connections.

We'll have to address this one in the next release.

Thanks for the report!

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MS-kermit and APC codes (LONG)
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In article <478v23$1s8@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov>,
Ute R. Willmore <ute@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov> wrote:
>...
>Anyway, now I am trying to determine if a file exists on the my DOS system,
>and if so send that file to the UNIX system, otherwise, I want to give some 
>indication of the error to UNIX, to prevent C-Kermit from getting started.
>
Wouldn't it be easier to just have C-Kermit try to GET the file from an
MS-DOS Kermit server, and if it fails, that means it wasn't there?

[...as opposed to transferring a script file, then executing it...]

>This works okay. Since I send something for sure, C-Kermit doesn't hang, and
>once I have the file on my UNIX system I can figure out if it is data or my 
>script. It's ugly and but there are some problems.
>
>1) I can't delete my_script, i.e. putting 'run del my_script' inside the 
>   script has no effect. How come?
>
Because it's open?

>2) I would prefer to just send some error return (rather than my_script)
>   if the data file doesn't exist. I tried using 'output ERROR' in the second 
>   if but it doesn't arrive on my UNIX system. Am I missing something?
>
If you used the method suggested at the top, the GET command would return
an error code.  In your "output" command, you probably need to stick \13
onto the end.
...
>4) Is there a GOOD source on using APC codes and MS-Kermit? I have read most
>   of Using MS-Kermit and Using C-Kermit, but neither one mentions them. The
>   .bwr files mention them but not in detail. 
>
The KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and the ckcker.upd
file that comes with C-Kermit 5A(190).

Hope this helps.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: C-kermit dial command on vax vms crashes after 'set dial dir'
Date: 3 Nov 1995 18:46:24 GMT
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In article <476mjf$5vu@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>,
David Pollack  <adldata@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: With C-Kermit 5A(190) on VAX VMS 5.5-2 I did a 'set dial dir' to
: eliminate the display line that looked to the user like an error
: message when issuing a dial command with an actual phone number. The
: sho dial showed (none) for the dialing directory name. when I did a
: dial command with a number I got the following dump abort. Version
: information is also shown afterwards:
: ...
: C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX
: ...
: The problem did not occur with the AXP VMS version of C-Kermit. Both
: the VAX and the working VMS C-Kermit came from the hexified code
: supplied with the kermit distribution tape.
:
Obviously some kind of bug.  The obvious workaround is (as the doctor
says) "don't do that".  We'll have a fix the next release.

- Frank

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From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit 95 keymap vs DOS keymap?
Date: 03 Nov 1995 12:38:38 GMT
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>However, if you look in the KEYMAPS subdirectory, you'll find most of what
>you are after:
>
>  VT220.INI, which sets up a complete VT200/300 (LK201) key map.
>  EMACS.INI, which sets up EMACS bindings including Alt=Meta.

Yep, I saw those, but my keyboard has become pretty heavily customized over
the years :-). An intensive session of "show key" commands in both the old
kermit and new kermit got everything translated for me last night and it all
works wonderfully now. The next step is to play around with tweaking file
transfers and see how fast I can get it now that I can talk to the comm port
over the native win32 interface without the dos virtual machine
overhead. I'm sure I'm going to love it once I get everything configured
just exactly right...

P.S. When I made my own keymap file, I put it in the KEYMAPS directory,
and then used the keyboard config menu to tell kermit to use that file (just
giving it the basename of the file, not a full path name), the k95 program
apparently looked for the file in the SCRIPTS directory, not the KEYMAPS
directory, so I moved it to SCRIPTS and everything worked fine.
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: 132 column support
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In article <475k1c$63f@news1.sunbelt.net>, "Gary A. Foley" <gfoley@org.tec.sc.us> writes:
> I'm trying to get PCs running kermit to display 132 column screens that 
> are coming from VMS.  I can't find any commands from DOS to put in 
> cols132.bat file to do it, and kermit doesn't seem to do it 
> automatically.  Is there some trick to this I don't know about?
> (gfoley@org.tec.sc.us)
-----------
	If you read our documentation I'm sure you will discover that 132
column video is a feature specific to individual boards, and every one is
different. That means your board vendor knows how to do it and probably
supplied a utility for the purpose. Check the board box for such a floppy.
	Kermit knows about some boards but will never be able to know about
all that are on the market this month. That's why we provide the COLS132.BAT
escape, as well as horizontal scrolling.
	Joe D.

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In article <TOM.95Nov3073838@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com>,
Tom Horsley <Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com> wrote:
>>However, if you look in the KEYMAPS subdirectory, you'll find most of what
>>you are after:
>>
>>  VT220.INI, which sets up a complete VT200/300 (LK201) key map.
>>  EMACS.INI, which sets up EMACS bindings including Alt=Meta.
>
>Yep, I saw those, but my keyboard has become pretty heavily customized over
>the years :-).
>
You mean, physically?  Hmmm...  One thing I really would like to be able to
do in Windows 95 is exchange the Caps Lock and Ctrl keys (and the Esc and `
keys).  Our old DOS-level CAPSCTRL program, a couple simple lines of assembly
code, did this just fine in DOS, but obviously doesn't cut the mustard in
Windows.

>An intensive session of "show key" commands in both the old
>kermit and new kermit got everything translated for me last night and it all
>works wonderfully now.  The next step is to play around with tweaking file
>transfers and see how fast I can get it now that I can talk to the comm port
>over the native win32 interface without the dos virtual machine
>overhead. I'm sure I'm going to love it once I get everything configured
>just exactly right...
>
An excerpt from a posting from this morning's news:

From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc
Subject: Kermit95: 32-bit telnet with file transfer
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 15:45:34 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University

...

I've been friends with Kermit for about 4 years and have used it on DOS,
Win3.1, Win95, OS/2, Linux, and remotely on Solaris, Sun, and Next. The
first thing I did when I got Kermit95 was to verify that I could achieve the
fast file transfer on a dialed connection that I was used to ... did it ...
3240 cps @28800 BAUD for uncompressible data (I don't often get that out of
zmodem). Having done that, I got rid of hyper-terminal. Then I verified that
it would telnet using the Win95 Winsock and SLIP or PPP ... did it
(excellent terminal emulation) ... then I got rid of QVT.

So I had to check out the file transfer during telnet ... not bad ... 2950
cps @28800 BAUD/SLIP for uncompressible data; FTP is a little faster, but
then, that's FTP, not telnet.

Last, I set up a Kermit95 client/server via null modem cable between my two
Win95 machines (486DX33 and P5-90). That was a lot easier to do than Win95's
direct cable connection and the file transfer was nice and fast (@115200
BAUD) in both directions.

 - Vince

*************************************
   Vincent Fatica
   Syracuse University Mathematics
   vefatica@syr.edu
*************************************

>P.S. When I made my own keymap file, I put it in the KEYMAPS directory,
>and then used the keyboard config menu to tell kermit to use that file (just
>giving it the basename of the file, not a full path name), the k95 program
>apparently looked for the file in the SCRIPTS directory, not the KEYMAPS
>directory, so I moved it to SCRIPTS and everything worked fine.
>
Right.  Actually, the best way to do this is to put:

  KEYMAPS\blah.INI

in the "Read from file" box in the Keyboard configuration page.  Because
really, all command files (scripts, ini files, etc) are executed with the
TAKE command.  And in Kermit 95, the TAKE command looks in the SCRIPTS
subdirectory of the Kermit 95 installation directory if you only give the
file's basename.

- Frank

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Manuel Morales (MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu) wrote:
: I have been having trouble w/ missing/funny characters when running kermit
: 3.13 through Win95.  Can anyone tell me the appropriate settings to fix this
: problem (i.e. in the properties section).

I am running MSKermit 3.14 under Win95, using a PracPeriph 28.8 modem.
I see no troubles with this setup.  I can't recall doing anything in the
properties section, other than making it full screen, and not allowing the
screensaver to work.


(Looking for a retail Kermit95 in Napa (snicker))

-- 
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                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
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Subject: Re: Hangup on receive
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Jason Stephenson (JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu) wrote:
: Here's one that's got me stumped:
:  
: I just recently got a new machine with a faster (Global Village Teleport Gold
: II) modem and am now having problems downloading with Kermit.  It seems when
: I try to download a file on my Performa 6116CD at 9600 bps my modem hangs up.

Have you tried getting your modem to ignore DTR (&D0), and consulted with Mac
modem experts on settings, hardware-handshaking cables and the like?

-- 
Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 
              arthur@dircsa.org.au
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <47de00$q7a@gateway.dircsa.org.au>,
Arthur Marsh <arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au> wrote:
>Jason Stephenson (JJSTEP00@ukcc.uky.edu) wrote:
>: I just recently got a new machine with a faster (Global Village Teleport
>: Gold II) modem and am now having problems downloading with Kermit.  It
>: seems when I try to download a file on my Performa 6116CD at 9600 bps my
>: modem hangs up.
>
>Have you tried getting your modem to ignore DTR (&D0), and consulted with Mac
>modem experts on settings, hardware-handshaking cables and the like?
>
The ckmker.bwr file goes into some detail about this.  Quoting:

USING MAC KERMIT WITH MODEMS

The Macintosh serial port is not an RS-232 device and does not support the
full repertoire of modem signals needed for normal operation with modems.
Communication with modems is accomplished using various "fakeouts", each of
which sacrifices some feature in order to accomplish some other feature,
since the Mac has only one modem signal to send to the modem, and reads only
one modem signal from the modem.  Thus, for example, the Mac can't hang up
the phone by dropping DTR and use hardware flow control at the same time.

To have the ability to hang up the phone by dropping DTR, you need a regular
Macintosh modem cable that connects the Mac's "Handshake Out" signal
(Mini-Din-8 Pin 1) to the modem's DTR signal (DB25 pin 20), and the modem
should be configured to hang up when DTR goes down.  In Mac Kermit, you should
NOT check "DTR input flow control" or "CTS output flow control".

To use hardware flow control with high-speed modems, you need:

 1. A special Macintosh hardware-flow-control-modem cable that connects the
    modem's CTS signal (DB25 pin 5) to the Macintosh's "Handshake In" signal
    (Mini-Din-8 Pin 2) and the Mac's "Handshake Out" signal (Mini-Din-8 Pin 1)
    to the modem's RTS signal (DB25 pin 4).  This cable *might be* available
    from stores or suppliers as a "Macintosh Hardware Handshake Modem Cable"
    (buy at your own risk).

 2. You MUST configure your modem to ignore DTR ("&D0" on most Hayes and
    compatible modems) and to use RTS/CTS flow control.  NOTE: This means
    you can't hang up the phone by "dropping DTR".  Normally, it will hang
    up automatically when you log out from the remote computer or service.
    If it doesn't, use the escape sequence (such as +++) to get back to the
    modem's command processor, and then type the modem command for hanging
    up (usually ATH0).

 3. In Mac Kermit's Communications Settings menu, uncheck Xon/Xoff flow
    control, and check DTR input flow control and CTS output flow control.

- Frank

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From: MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu (Manuel Morales)
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I have been having trouble w/ missing/funny characters when running kermit
3.13 through Win95.  Can anyone tell me the appropriate settings to fix this
problem (i.e. in the properties section).
 
Thanks Very Much,
Manuel
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I tried the following under SunOS, in /etc/inetd.conf, and it really
seems to work!

kermit	stream	tcp	nowait	nobody	<path>/kermit	kermit -x -l 1

However, I was (sort of) guessing the open stdin file handle. Is this
the proper ways of doing it or is there a cleaner way? 

However, there's a real serious problem that when I'm not explicitly
shutdown the kermit server with a BYE or FINISH command, the server
goes into a (endless?) loop complaining "TCP/IP: Broken pipe" trying
to send "\1# N3". Any hint on how to avoid this behaviour? I can't
count on clients to properly shutdown the connection...

Thanks,
Martin

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies
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In article <47amve$jqn@ccnet2.ccnet.com>,
Greg Bernard <gbernard@dbc.com> wrote:
>>Just remember the next time you are connected to a machine that
>>doesn't have kermit available for file transfers that you think
>>it is a good thing for kermit to be difficult to obtain. 

>I *don't* think it is difficult to obtain - you do.  I think what
>Frank et al request is entirely reasonable and justifiable.

It doesn't matter whether it is difficult for me, I'll do what
I have to, and until recently that meant finding an ftpmailer
that would mail through uunet to a uucp site.  What matters is
whether the *other* site that I don't control has a copy available
when I want to transfer something.  And in my experience, unless
they are in some sort of communications business, they won't.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit 95 keymap vs DOS keymap?
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Tom,

Did you notice that K95 has an emacs keymap file? I can't say how well it
works, but it's there, in \k95\keymaps.

tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) wrote:

>Well, I just got my kermit 95 last night, installed it on Windows NT, and it
>seems to work fine. Now I need to get it configured so everything works the
>same way it did in the MS-DOS kermit I was using before.

>The only major thing I have configured away from the defaults in DOS is my
>key bindings. I have gazillions of them defined to make using emacs easier.
>I was just wondering if anyone could tell me what the chances are that the
>scan codes I use to set key bindings in DOS are the same as the scan codes
>k95 accepts. (I know I could sit around running show key commands in both
>versions and build a translation table, but I thought someone might already
>have done this :-).
>--
>--
>Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com
>Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL  33444
>Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL  33309
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   vefatica@syr.edu
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From: hungridg@rci.rutgers.edu (Wayne Hungridge)
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I upgraded from version (5A)190 to (5A)191 using packaged INSTALL program.
Allowed CONFIG.SYS update.  Now I'm getting the following message:

       "A non-recoverable error occurred.  The process ended."

I have no IRQ conflicts.  I'm using COM2 as before.  Problem occurs whether
I use COM.SYS or SIO.SYS.  As far as I know, there are no concurrent
applications sharing the COM2 device.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks, Wayne Hungridge

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Subject: How does one get Kermit 95?
Organization: Motorola, Inc. - Chandler, AZ
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The subject says it all. Any info appreciated.

Thanks,

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Mark Foley (mfoley@infinet.com) wrote:

: I am running C-Kermit 5A(189) on my Linux system. Whenever I 'log
: session', the contents of my session.log file get overwritten. I have
: searched through the various 'help set ?', 'show ...' and 'set ?'
: commands to find some setting to control this, but I can't. The default
: behavior on my MS-Kermit is to append. This is what I want on C-Kermit.
: How?
Use 'log session append'
Use 'help log' or 'man kermit' to get help
--Jou
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The hangup command will occasionally fail to function when a script 
temninates abnormally.  When I use CTRL/C to termintate the script, and 
then go back into Kermit to use the hangup command, the modem will 
sometimes stay connected through any number of hangup commands.  Once 
this situation occurs, even piping an ATH to com2 in DOS will not work, 
whereas it usually does.  The only way I've been able to disconnect the 
modem in this situation is to go into Windows and hangup using Terminal.  

Any ideas on why this is happening?

K. House
kmhouse@halcyon.com

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In article <46jurh$c8l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>> Once upon a time I thought that was the philosopy
>>behind kermit too.

>It was, but times changed.  I think you are missing the difference between
>the Kermit project and various other projects on the net that you
>associate with "free software".  The difference is: we are working on this
>full time, and with some of us, it is our real job -- even our career.

I don't have any objection to commercial versions especially for
the flashy interactive stuff.  I just miss the old standby file
transfer and script driven communications utility that you could
count on everyone having.  In fact I'd like it better if terminal
emulations had never been added.   If you watch the other newsgroups
you'll see questions about how to script telnet sessions show up
every few weeks.  I haven't seen anyone but myself point out that
kermit does this naturally and on several platforms, and any of
them can drive just about any program on the same or a different
platform.  The usual answer is to get 'expect' which only runs on
unix and then you have to learn tcl to use it.  Kermit can do a
loopback telnet through a script to run things that need a pty
or controlling terminal and do anything expect could do.  I guess
everyone else just thinks of kermit as a terminal emulator these
days.

>We
>are here for the long haul, as long as there is a demand, to develop and
>support Kermit protocol and software.  You can't say that about most of
>the other software that you cite.  The BSD project is shut down, the
>people scattered to the wind.

But BSDI, freeBSD and netBSD seem to be going strong.

>Many of the other examples are one-shot
>deals -- the people who created them moved on to something else -- you
>can't get good, dependable support for that type of software.  You can for
>Kermit.

Some are, some aren't.  Most GNU utilities are updated periodically and
you can get commercial support.  Sometimes you see a dramatic improvement
when someone new takes over a project that someone else consided
finished.

>By the way, if you or anybody else wants to contribute code, make
>improvements, etc, nothing is stopping you.  But you have to leave
>administration of our copyright up to us, because long after you have
>moved on to something else, we will still need to be here.

I don't mean to imply that you aren't doing a good job, but other
people/groups are managing to keep packages updated while allowing
the code to be freely distributed.  The problem is that the value
of kermit as a file transfer/scripting utility depends largely
on it already being available at the other end of your connection
and the distribution policy makes this unlikely, especially in
the places you need kermit (i.e. no ftp...).  Besides, at the moment
the most popular communications platform is probably Windows 3.x
running a dial-up or network winsock which seems to be a gaping
hole in the kermit product line. There are lots of other terminal
emulators to run over winsock so I don't care about that part but
I'd like to be able to run the same scripts that the unix/dos versions
can.  If it weren't for the distribution restrictions, someone else might
have done a quick and dirty compile of the script and file tranfer
code to run over winsock by now. 

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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Subject: Re: Proper way to run kermit in server mode under inetd?
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In article <DHBAtt.JqC@olsen.ch>, Martin Lichtin <lichtin@olsen.ch> wrote:
: 
: I tried the following under SunOS, in /etc/inetd.conf, and it really
: seems to work!
: 
: kermit	stream	tcp	nowait	nobody	<path>/kermit	kermit -x -l 1
: 
: However, I was (sort of) guessing the open stdin file handle. Is this
: the proper ways of doing it or is there a cleaner way? 
: 
: However, there's a real serious problem that when I'm not explicitly
: shutdown the kermit server with a BYE or FINISH command, the server
: goes into a (endless?) loop complaining "TCP/IP: Broken pipe" trying
: to send "\1# N3". Any hint on how to avoid this behaviour? I can't
: count on clients to properly shutdown the connection...
: 
Exactly which version of C-Kermit?  5A(190) is current, 5A(192) is in
development.

A packet log might show why the server is trying to send a NAK.  The
default is for it not to do that in between "transactions".  Maybe all
you need to do is tell it "set server timeout 0".

One of the many items on our list is to make C-Kermit capable of running on
its own socket, just like (say) an FTP server, but we have not done this
yet for UNIX.  However, we do have a socket assigned by IANA for this purpose:
1649, as yet unused.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: How does one get Kermit 95?
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In article <o89hh0merxk.fsf@smeagol.sat.mot.com>,
 <rankin@smeagol.sat.mot.com> wrote:
>The subject says it all. Any info appreciated.
>
All the information is in the Kermit 95 Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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Subject: Re: Hangup sometimes doesn't work
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In article <Pine.ULT.3.91.951103190101.3874A-100000@chinook.halcyon.com>,
Kathleen M. House <kmhouse@halcyon.com> wrote:
: The hangup command will occasionally fail to function when a script 
: temninates abnormally.  When I use CTRL/C to termintate the script, and 
: then go back into Kermit to use the hangup command, the modem will 
: sometimes stay connected through any number of hangup commands.  Once 
: this situation occurs, even piping an ATH to com2 in DOS will not work, 
: whereas it usually does.  The only way I've been able to disconnect the 
: modem in this situation is to go into Windows and hangup using Terminal.  
: 
So you're talking about MS-DOS Kermit, right?  Which version?

From our FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

13 WHY DOESN'T THE HANGUP COMMAND WORK FOR ME?

On network connections, Kermit's HANGUP command executes the appropriate
network protocol for closing the connection, and this should always work.

On serial connections, the HANGUP commands turns off the computer's DTR (Data
Terminal Ready) signal for a period of time.  According to the standard that
governs modem signals, this action is supposed to make a modem hang up the
phone call.  If it doesn't:

   1. Your modem has been configured to "Ignore DTR".  This setting is
      available on most Hayes-compatible modems, either on a physical
      switch (such as Configuration Switch 1 on the Hayes 1200) or as a
      command (&Dx on Hayes 2400 and later, and compatibles).  In many
      cases, "Ignore DTR" is the factory setting.  If you want your modem
      to obey the DTR signal, then you should set the switch
      appropriately, or give the command AT&D2.  The actual syntax of the
      command might vary among different brands and models of modems, so
      consult your modem manual for details.

   2. Your cable or connector has DTR "hotwired high", meaning that the
      DTR wire is jumpered to some other signal that is always high (on).
      If this is not what you desire, you should replace your cable with a
      standard modem cable.

   3. You are using a Macintosh with a "hardware handshaking cable".  This
      is actually the same situation as (2), except there is no way to
      "fix" the cable - please read the ckmker.bwr file for an
      explanation.

To work around these problems in Kermit, without actually fixing the underlying
cause, you can use a macro that escapes back to the modem's command processor
and gives it the command to hang up.  Such a macro is predefined for you in the
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 initialization file, MSKERMIT.INI:

  ; ATHANGUP macro.  Use this if regular HANGUP command doesn't do the trick.
  def ATHANGUP sleep 1,out +++,sleep 1,out ath0\13

(Note: C-Kermit uses this technique anyway.)

In MS-DOS Kermit, you can assign execution of this macro to the "hot key" of
your choice, for example:

  set key \315 {\Kathangup}  ; Assign ATHANGUP macro to the F1 key

In Mac Kermit, you can just go to the terminal screen and do it by hand:

   - Pause at least one second

   - Type +++

   - Pause at least one second

   - Type ATH0 (letters A, T, H, digit zero)

   - Press the return key.

The modem should hang up and say NO CARRIER.

(End quote)

- Frank

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In article <47em7j$3bj@Mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell <les@MCS.COM> wrote:
: In article <47amve$jqn@ccnet2.ccnet.com>,
: Greg Bernard <gbernard@dbc.com> wrote:
: >>Just remember the next time you are connected to a machine that
: >>doesn't have kermit available for file transfers that you think
: >>it is a good thing for kermit to be difficult to obtain. 
: 
: >I *don't* think it is difficult to obtain - you do.  I think what
: >Frank et al request is entirely reasonable and justifiable.
: 
: It doesn't matter whether it is difficult for me, I'll do what
: I have to, and until recently that meant finding an ftpmailer
: that would mail through uunet to a uucp site.  What matters is
: whether the *other* site that I don't control has a copy available
: when I want to transfer something.  And in my experience, unless
: they are in some sort of communications business, they won't.
: 
Anybody who wants to obtain Kermit software (other than Kermit 95) for
their own use can just ftp it from Columbia or, if they are not on the
net, they can order it from us.  Or they can go to a store and buy it
(MS-DOS Kermit or Kermit 95).  Our problem is with companies that expect
to be able to SELL our software to their customers, or to bundle it with
products that they sell the their customers, without giving us anything
back for it.  Because when we allow that:

 . We lose income that we otherwise would have received.
 . We get additional work because of tech-support calls.

That is: we do the work, the company gets the money, and in return we get
even more work.  Does that strike you as a good model for a
self-supporting software development project?

If you have a company that wants to benefit financially from distributing
our software to your customers, you very simply license the right to do so
from us.  If you think that is unreasonable, that's your privilege.

On the other hand, if you are saying that you need to dial up or telnet to
a host or service that refuses to even FTP Kermit software, I think that
service has a serious problem in the way it treats its customers, and you
should be talking to them, not us -- especially if you are paying them
money.

- Frank

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In article <47etn2$eq7@Mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell <les@MCS.COM> wrote:
: In article <46jurh$c8l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
: I don't have any objection to commercial versions especially for
: the flashy interactive stuff.  I just miss the old standby file
: transfer and script driven communications utility that you could
: count on everyone having.  In fact I'd like it better if terminal
: emulations had never been added.   If you watch the other newsgroups
: you'll see questions about how to script telnet sessions show up
: every few weeks.  I haven't seen anyone but myself point out that
: kermit does this naturally and on several platforms, and any of
: them can drive just about any program on the same or a different
: platform.  The usual answer is to get 'expect' which only runs on
: unix and then you have to learn tcl to use it.  Kermit can do a
: loopback telnet through a script to run things that need a pty
: or controlling terminal and do anything expect could do.  I guess
: everyone else just thinks of kermit as a terminal emulator these days.
: 
Good points!  But I still don't understand your insistence that the
software (aside from Kermit 95) is not freely available.  See my other
posting of today.

: But BSDI, freeBSD and netBSD seem to be going strong.
: 
And each off in its own direction.  Look at how each of these needs
separate code in Kermit to support.  Wouldn't it be nice if the world
were more consistent.  There is something to be said for centralized
coordination and management, and that's what we aim to provide.

: I don't mean to imply that you aren't doing a good job, but other
: people/groups are managing to keep packages updated while allowing
: the code to be freely distributed.
: 
Our code is freely distributed too.  The question is how can it be
REdistributed?  The reasonable restrictions we have placed on
commercial redistribution arose out of necessity to preserve the
Kermit Project, because without them we were being devoured by
profiteers.  Perhaps it is a matter of opinion whether we have
chosen the right way, but in the final analysis we have to make
the decision.

: Besides, at the moment the most popular communications platform
: is probably Windows 3.x running a dial-up or network winsock
: which seems to be a gaping hole in the kermit product line.
: 
Granted.  At least two projects were started to fill this gap, but
were not completed.  That's one of the pitfalls of free software
-- with very few exceptions, you can't count on people completing
projects when you aren't paying them anything (for an even more
graphic illustration of this point, look at the history of Mac
Kermit).  Would anybody like to volunteer to take on the Windows
3.1 Winsock / MS-DOS Kermit project?  Five or ten years ago there
would have been plenty of takers.

- Frank

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From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis)
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Subject: Re: 132 column support
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Gary A. Foley (gfoley@org.tec.sc.us) wrote:
% I'm trying to get PCs running kermit to display 132 column screens that 
% are coming from VMS.  I can't find any commands from DOS to put in 
% cols132.bat file to do it, and kermit doesn't seem to do it 
% automatically.  Is there some trick to this I don't know about?
% (gfoley@org.tec.sc.us)

I have found that the escape sequence <ESC>[=85h works with quite a
number of video adapters if you use either of the NANSI.SYS or
NNANSI.COM screen drivers (available from simtel and mirrors). Doesn't
work in Windows, of course.

(<ESC> means the escape character, ascii 27. You can echo the sequence
to the screen in COLS132.BAT)

Leila
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How should a SEND.BAT file look to use Kermit Lite as an external 
protocol with say QmodemTD?
Can some kind soul e-mail an example or perhaps the real thing.
This of course to run on a PC under DOS.
Thanks in advance, Nathan Gutman


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit in Win95
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In article <1744BA0AES86.MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>, MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu (Manuel Morales) writes:
> I have been having trouble w/ missing/funny characters when running kermit
> 3.13 through Win95.  Can anyone tell me the appropriate settings to fix this
> problem (i.e. in the properties section).
--------  
Manuel, 
	I think we need some help describing what you saw, what you expected
to see, and how your system is setup. The most common "error" is to use no
parity on your PC but the remote system (typically Unix) is using parity on
each byte. The cure is to select a matching parity on the PC, a band-aid is
to say SET DISPLAY 7 to chop the high (parity) bit from each INCOMING byte.
Another possibility is you had a DOS Code Page active yet it was not chosen
in Windows. 
	Joe D.

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Subject: C-Kermit - How to append to session.log?
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I am running C-Kermit 5A(189) on my Linux system. Whenever I 'log
session', the contents of my session.log file get overwritten. I have
searched through the various 'help set ?', 'show ...' and 'set ?'
commands to find some setting to control this, but I can't. The default
behavior on my MS-Kermit is to append. This is what I want on C-Kermit.
How?

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From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
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One buys it.

Visit http://www.columbia.edu/kermit for details.

 - Vince

*************************************
   Vincent Fatica
   Syracuse University Mathematics
   vefatica@syr.edu
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My binary files will not decode. I am using Mac.LC, Netcom, Kermit, & 
JPG.  The steps I take are:
-Go to menu, Settings and set Mode for Binary
-Go to newsgroup and mail file to my E-mail address
-Go to Pine and Export file to Home Directory
-Go to Kermit, Set File Type Binary, Send file
-Go to menu, file-transfer, and click Recieve
When the downloading is finished I attempt to decode with JPG and nothing 
happens.  Any suggestions?


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In article <47d23m$rii@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu writes:
> In <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>>In article <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>>> In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.951030000148.24557B-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>,
>>> Psychos 'R Us  <honge@creighton.edu> wrote:
>>> : ...
> [snip]
>>> : 
>>> The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board.  It can be used
>>> at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode,
>>> 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with
	<omitting much>
> One further data point:  if you use OS/2, the shareware SIO serial port
> drivers know how to use the ESP board (single interrupt for both ports,
> very high port rates, ...).  Last time I checked the current version of
> SIO was 1.53.
> 
> Stuart Biggar
--------
	Good comment. Could you point me to the current archive for SIO
so we can keep it handy for OS/2 customers? 
	Joe D.

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Subject: Re: C-Kermit (5A)191 for OS/2 -- Non-recoverable error.
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In article <47ee4q$p39@niflheim.rutgers.edu>,
Wayne Hungridge <hungridg@rci.rutgers.edu> wrote:
>I upgraded from version (5A)190 to (5A)191 using packaged INSTALL program.
>Allowed CONFIG.SYS update.  Now I'm getting the following message:
>
>       "A non-recoverable error occurred.  The process ended."
>
>I have no IRQ conflicts.  I'm using COM2 as before.  Problem occurs whether
>I use COM.SYS or SIO.SYS.  As far as I know, there are no concurrent
>applications sharing the COM2 device.
>

When does that message occur?  Before or after C-Kermit starts?

Have you tampered with the value of THREADS in your CONFIG.SYS file?

Try using the '-d' switch on the command line to generate a debug.log file
of the startup process.  This should show where it is dying if C-Kermit
is even starting.







Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): 
   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip 
   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

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From: mango@ryu.communique.net (Raul Zighelboim)
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Hello;

	I run C-Kermit to conenct to another system over a serial port.  I would
	like to be able to transfer a file over the kermit connection using xmodem
i	(as it is the only protocol supportted by the other box).

	In general, I set the other machine into receive and then jump back to my
	fisrst server to start the doneload.

	Is thiss something possible from C-kermit/Unox/Xmodem ?  I can do it from
	OS/2 using p.exe, but I cannot figure out if thesame is true for Unix ...

	Thanks for any reply in the right direction.

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From: puff@mercury.interpath.com (Pat Fogarty)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit - How to append to session.log?
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In article <47c2ns$e7r@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw>,
Wei-Jou Chen <jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw> wrote:
>Mark Foley (mfoley@infinet.com) wrote:
>
>: I am running C-Kermit 5A(189) on my Linux system. Whenever I 'log
>: session', the contents of my session.log file get overwritten. I have
>: searched through the various 'help set ?', 'show ...' and 'set ?'
>: commands to find some setting to control this, but I can't. The default
>: behavior on my MS-Kermit is to append. This is what I want on C-Kermit.
>: How?
>Use 'log session append'



I was setting up ckermit for OverlySlow/2  the other day and tried
this. CKermit kept munging the filename when I put a full path to
the file in the statement. 

C:\dn\ckerlog.txt became  c\dckerlog.txt or something like that.

Same with the transaction file.


Pat

>Use 'help log' or 'man kermit' to get help
>--Jou


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit - How to append to session.log?
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In article <47j74a$qp3@mercury.interpath.com>,
Pat Fogarty <puff@mercury.interpath.com> wrote:
:In article <47c2ns$e7r@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw>,
:Wei-Jou Chen <jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw> wrote:
: > Mark Foley (mfoley@infinet.com) wrote:
: > ... "log session blah append" ...
:
: I was setting up ckermit for OverlySlow/2  the other day and tried
: this.  CKermit kept munging the filename when I put a full path to
: the file in the statement. 
:
: C:\dn\ckerlog.txt became  c\dckerlog.txt or something like that.
:
That shouldn't happen in the current OS/2 version, 5A(191), which was
battered into allowing backslashes in filenames even though backslash
is also a special character in all C-Kermit commands:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html

In OS/2 and other C-Kermit versions that run on operating systems that
use backslash as the directory separator, you can also use / instead of \
in any local filename.

- Frank

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: how to get  DOS kermit c source code?
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In article <47g716$s75@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:

>Good points!  But I still don't understand your insistence that the
>software (aside from Kermit 95) is not freely available.  See my other
>posting of today.

Availability isn't the only issue.  If kermit isn't *already* at the
other end you have a problem.  What is your estimate of this being
the case the first time someone wants to communicate?

>: But BSDI, freeBSD and netBSD seem to be going strong.
>: 
>And each off in its own direction.  Look at how each of these needs
>separate code in Kermit to support.  Wouldn't it be nice if the world
>were more consistent.  There is something to be said for centralized
>coordination and management, and that's what we aim to provide.

That would be pretty much irrelevant if you allowed those distributions
to include a working kermit binary.  Someone else would do it.  Especially
if you would move the code that deals with tty lines into a separate
module so it could simply be replaced for each major variation instead
of being a nightmare of #ifdef's.

>Our code is freely distributed too.  The question is how can it be
>REdistributed?  The reasonable restrictions we have placed on
>commercial redistribution arose out of necessity to preserve the
>Kermit Project, because without them we were being devoured by
>profiteers.  Perhaps it is a matter of opinion whether we have
>chosen the right way, but in the final analysis we have to make
>the decision.

It is freely distributed to people who have ftp access.  Why do
those people need kermit other than for terminal emulation?  The
people who need it for file transfers don't have it and can get
other products easier.  If that is the way you wanted things, then
I guess you made the right decision, but it sure doesn't follow the
spirit of the old kermit documents.

>: Besides, at the moment the most popular communications platform
>: is probably Windows 3.x running a dial-up or network winsock
>: which seems to be a gaping hole in the kermit product line.
>: 
>Granted.  At least two projects were started to fill this gap, but
>were not completed.  That's one of the pitfalls of free software
>-- with very few exceptions, you can't count on people completing
>projects when you aren't paying them anything (for an even more
>graphic illustration of this point, look at the history of Mac
>Kermit).  Would anybody like to volunteer to take on the Windows
>3.1 Winsock / MS-DOS Kermit project?  Five or ten years ago there
>would have been plenty of takers.

I suspect that there would still be takers if the resulting product
could be used by the person/company that did the port.  Free software
generally comes from someone who needs something for their own work
and realizes that it doesn't cost anything to let others use it.
With kermit, you can't redistribute the modified product even for
your own benifit so it is not at all surprising that no one is
interested in doing it.  You probably won't find many people contributing
code to commercial vendors so they can sell it back to them either.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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In article <47jejo$lkh@Mercury.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell <les@MCS.COM> wrote:
: >Good points!  But I still don't understand your insistence that the
: >software (aside from Kermit 95) is not freely available.  See my other
: >posting of today.
: 
: In article <47g716$s75@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: Availability isn't the only issue.  If kermit isn't *already* at the
: other end you have a problem.  What is your estimate of this being
: the case the first time someone wants to communicate?
: 
That's a good question.  I don't think anybody knows the answer.  But in
each particular case, you will find (a) no Kermit at all, (b) a Kermit
implementation that doesn't even work, (c) a minimalistic Kermit that barely
works but is slow as molasses, or (d) a modern up-to-date Kermit.

Cases (b) and (c) result from a lack of control in the early days -- just
the kind of "freedom" you are advocating now.  Of course (d) would be our
preference, but using 20-20 hindsight, I think I'd prefer (a) to (b) and (c),
since all the crummy implementations out there are what have given many
people the mistaken idea that Kermit protocol and software themselves are
intrinsically crummy -- including people who should know better, such as major
modem manufacturers (read any modem manuals lately?).

: >: But BSDI, freeBSD and netBSD seem to be going strong.
: >: 
: >And each off in its own direction.  Look at how each of these needs
: >separate code in Kermit to support.  Wouldn't it be nice if the world
: >were more consistent.  There is something to be said for centralized
: >coordination and management, and that's what we aim to provide.
: 
: That would be pretty much irrelevant if you allowed those distributions
: to include a working kermit binary.  Someone else would do it.  Especially
: if you would move the code that deals with tty lines into a separate
: module so it could simply be replaced for each major variation instead
: of being a nightmare of #ifdef's.
: 
I challenge you to do a better job.  Do you have 10 spare years?  Seriously,
it is the age-old tradeoff between modularity and code sharing.  If we
split the ckutio.c module off into 400-500 different copies, then any
functional improvement we make in one place might well need to be made in
hundreds of others.

That's not to say there couldn't be any improvements, of course.  Only that
the scope and complexity of this project are way beyond anything anybody
ever expected at the beginning, and so some of the various modules have grown
in, shall we say, unexpected ways.  And at each step along the way, it has
almost always been not only easier, but SAFER, to add some new arcane UNIX
system-dependency within #ifdefs than to rewrite 50,000 lines of code.
By safer, I mean satisfying somebody's need for the new thing without
breaking support for hundreds of other platforms in the process.

If we had it all to do over again, maybe we'd also design C and UNIX
themselves to make just a wee bit more sense.

: >Our code is freely distributed too.  The question is how can it be
: >REdistributed?  The reasonable restrictions we have placed on
: >commercial redistribution arose out of necessity to preserve the
: >Kermit Project, because without them we were being devoured by
: >profiteers.  Perhaps it is a matter of opinion whether we have
: >chosen the right way, but in the final analysis we have to make
: >the decision.
: 
: It is freely distributed to people who have ftp access.  Why do
: those people need kermit other than for terminal emulation?  The
: people who need it for file transfers don't have it and can get
: other products easier.  If that is the way you wanted things, then
: I guess you made the right decision, but it sure doesn't follow the
: spirit of the old kermit documents.
: 
Well, we're beginning (again) to go in circles here.  I freely and openly
confess that the spirit in which the original Kermit documents were
written no longer totally applies.  The world is a meaner place now -- to
us and to everybody.  It would be easy for us to say (as you want us to),
"OK, it's free again, anybody can do whatever they want to with it", and
then walk away and get new jobs and "let the hundred flowers bloom."
Before you knew it, you'd have 1000 incompatible divergent strains with no
way on earth to make improvements to all of them, and not long after that
you'd begin to see failures to interoperate, as clever programmers
improved the protocol.

: >: Besides, at the moment the most popular communications platform
: >: is probably Windows 3.x running a dial-up or network winsock
: >: which seems to be a gaping hole in the kermit product line.
: >: 
: >Granted.  At least two projects were started to fill this gap, but
: >were not completed.  That's one of the pitfalls of free software
: >-- with very few exceptions, you can't count on people completing
: >projects when you aren't paying them anything (for an even more
: >graphic illustration of this point, look at the history of Mac
: >Kermit).  Would anybody like to volunteer to take on the Windows
: >3.1 Winsock / MS-DOS Kermit project?  Five or ten years ago there
: >would have been plenty of takers.
: 
: I suspect that there would still be takers if the resulting product
: could be used by the person/company that did the port.
:
Who said it couldn't?  If somebody wants to do this work and also be
able to profit from it, all they need to do is talk to us.  We are
reasonable people.

- Frank

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In <1995Nov4.152700.65920@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>In article <47d23m$rii@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu writes:
>> In <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>>>In article <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>>>> In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.951030000148.24557B-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>,
>>>> Psychos 'R Us  <honge@creighton.edu> wrote:
>>>> : ...
>> [snip]
>>>> : 
>>>> The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board.  It can be used
>>>> at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode,
>>>> 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with
>	<omitting much>
>> One further data point:  if you use OS/2, the shareware SIO serial port
>> drivers know how to use the ESP board (single interrupt for both ports,
>> very high port rates, ...).  Last time I checked the current version of
>> SIO was 1.53.
>> 
>> Stuart Biggar
>--------
>	Good comment. Could you point me to the current archive for SIO
>so we can keep it handy for OS/2 customers? 
>	Joe D.

I have a FTP-PM object set up:

ftp site:  vmbbs.gwinn.com
directory:  /H/BBS/FTP/DL02
current filename:  SIO153.ZIP

There is also a BBS phone number:
1 304 255-7903 (from 1.53 readme)

Hope this helps,

Stuart Biggar

By the way, I really LIKE ckermit for OS/2 - good job.  I'm a bit of a
novice but it work quite well to telnet to the Suns at work over the
OS/2 IAK (or Connect) PPP.

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From: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu
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Subject: Help with OS/2 C-Kermit and IBM NR/2 problem
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I have a problem running C-Kermit for OS/2 and NR/2 at the same
time over an IAK PPP connection (to a Sun SPARC Solaris 2.4 PPP
server at the office).

Specifics:  IBM 755CX, 40 MB RAM, 810 MB drive, OS/2 Warp as
delivered in the dual boot with DOS 7.0/Win 3.11 setup.  I have
added Mwave 2.0 drivers, the PPP and other IAK fixes, and the updated
ThinkPad utilities/drivers/PCMCIA/IR stuff from the IBM web sites.
I use SIO 1.53 serial port drivers with the built in MWave modem on
COM2.  A 14.4 error-corrected PPP link is negotiated with VJ header
compression (speed limited by the Sun modem).

The IAK PPP connection seems to work fine - I can run C-Kermit and telnet
to work, run IBM's Web Browser, use FTP, NewsReader/2, and such.

However, if NR/2 is running I have problems with C-Kermit 5A(191) with
date of 6-06-95 and file size of 719566.  If I start C-Kermit, it looks OK.
At the prompt I type:  telnet cobra
and I promptly get the following (writing over text in the 1st and 2nd line
of the C-Kermit window):

Sorry, can't create threadit.ini for OS/2...
[C:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>_

I probably have something misconfigured (easy to do as OS/2 is so
configurable!) but I don't have a clue at this point.  This same sequence
works if NR/2 is not running (cobra is the name of the Sun PPP host and
DNS knows its name and IP address and DNS is working).  The obvious
solution is to not run c-kermit when NR/2 is up but I would like to be
able to.

Any tips, pointers, guesses, or solutions welcome.

Thanks,

Stuart Biggar
Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu
Remote Sensing Group, Optical Sciences Center, University of Arizona

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In article <47hcm8$jso@news.ccit.arizona.edu>,
 <Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu> wrote:
>
>However, if NR/2 is running I have problems with C-Kermit 5A(191) with
>date of 6-06-95 and file size of 719566.  If I start C-Kermit, it looks OK.
>At the prompt I type:  telnet cobra
>and I promptly get the following (writing over text in the 1st and 2nd line
>of the C-Kermit window):
>
>Sorry, can't create thread

Please check your CONFIG.SYS file for the THREADS line.
You have probably edited the file and set this value too low.

Please read the CKERMIT.INF file section on OS/2 tuning.






Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): 
   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip 
   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

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> So you're talking about MS-DOS Kermit, right?  Which version?

Whoops - MS-DOS, right, ver. 3.14 - sorry about that!

>   set key \315 {\Kathangup}  ; Assign ATHANGUP macro to the F1 key
> 

Does the key need to be remapped after Kermit is closed? (I know how to 
do this, if its necessary)

> - Frank

Thanks for the FAQs and the prompt and *polite* response.

Kathleen

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From: shirley@lfs.loral.com
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Hi-

I've sucessfully dialed out with Kermit-CMS by telnetting from the Kermit-CMS prompt to	
a port on the terminal server setup for dialout.  How do you actually send and receive files	
though?  I tried SHOW ESCAPE to see what the escape character is so I can hotkey to	
local mode, but no luck.  What is the escape character?  Can this be done?

I'm using version Kermit-CMS Version 4.3.1 XA (95/02/02)

Thanks, Shirley

eys and command prompt as white (this is OK), text that is input at the
> command prompt		is red (this is also OK).  
> 
> However, the text next to the PF keys which describes what you're supposed to
> do with the menu displays in dark blue, and is very hard to see.  I need to
> change it to a lighter blue.  I'm not sure what this text "name" is to change
> it.  Changing the underscore color didn't help.
------------
	The remote host is sending the color commands. These are the foreground
color and intensity and the background color. You need to contact the owners 
of that machine and have them modify what the application sends to your client. 
        Joe D.

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From: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu
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In <1995Oct31.121502.65498@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>In article <475c3c$ac7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>> In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.951030000148.24557B-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>,
>> Psychos 'R Us  <honge@creighton.edu> wrote:
>> : ...
[snip]
>> : 
>> The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board.  It can be used
>> at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode,
>> 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with
>> 1K buffer, DMA, etc), which is quite different from anything else on the
>> planet and requires special drivers.  Now obviously Hayes Smartcom knows
>> how to drive the ESP board to full advantage, hence the higher transfer
>> rates with Hayes software.  I expect that the OS/2 serial driver knows
>> enough about the ESP to put it into 16550A mode, but beyond that, does not
>> bother with the Hayes-specific features.
>> 
>> I might be mistaken, but I believe that some special magic is required to
>> put the ESP in 16550A mode, and this magic first appeared in MS-DOS Kermit
>> version 3.14.  If that is true, then previous releases probably use it in
>> character-at-a-time 8250 mode, which would explain the symptoms you
>> report.  We did look at adding a Hayes ESP driver to MS-DOS Kermit, but it
>> turned out to be a huge amount of work for a relatively small audience,
>> and so it wound up in a rather low position on our priority list.
>> 
>> - Frank
>---------
>	On the Hayes ESP board. MSK does not have special code for it.
>As things turned out none was needed if the board is configured by the
>ESP configuration program. It looks like a 16550A UART. The fancy DMA
>transfer capability of the board is, um, not exactly what a communications
>program would use and details are best left between Hayes and the programmer.
>There is a Windows driver for the board, from Hayes (with that DMA stuff),
>but it also runs without it.
>	So the obvious suggestion here is to re-run the ESP configuration
>program to be sure it's capabilities have not faded from static memory.
>	Joe D.

One further data point:  if you use OS/2, the shareware SIO serial port
drivers know how to use the ESP board (single interrupt for both ports,
very high port rates, ...).  Last time I checked the current version of
SIO was 1.53.

Stuart Biggar

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From: patrickt@tst.hk.super.net (Mr Patrick ShuPui Tam)
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Is there any means to have Kermit to recognize a control string that sent 
from the host and then execute a dos batch ?  In particular, the host run 
a cash receipt program, then send out a control string.  After kermit 
capture this control string, it execute a small DOS batch program which 
open the cash drawer.

Please email me if you know the answer.

Patrick Tam.
patrickt@hk.super.net


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: : set file type binary
: : set warning on
: : set buffer 65536 65536
: : set window 24
: : set send packet 2048
: : set block-check 2
: : set flow none
: : set flow rts
: : 
: : With MS-kermit... 
: :
: Which version?

3.14 patch 0 (21 May 1995)

: : ... the transfer rate is around 880cps. The effeciency is around 18%.
: :
: The percent efficiency is based on the interface speed, not the
: modulation speed.  Since ZIP files can't be further compressed by
: the modem, the upward bound on transferring them is approximately
: 1.11 times the modulation speed = 1600 cps (derivation of this figure
: is left as an exercise for the reader :-).  880 cps is therefore more
: like 55%, not 18%.

Right now, with all the control characters unprefixed, the transfer is 
exactly 1187cps at 14.4k -- which, in my opinion, little bit low. (: But 
it was an improvement from 880cps.

: : There are almost no retries. FYI, Y-modem G under same situation
: : will do around 1681cps with Hayes Smartcom (MS-DOS app) or halite that
: : came with OS/2.  I have set both OS/2 ck and MS-DOS kermit to rts/cts.
: : ...
: : The machine has Hayes ESP, which is kinda like 16550A with extended 
: : buffer size. The modem is Hayes Accura 14.4, which I think is also a 
: : decent modem...
: : 
: The most likely explanation involves the Hayes ESP board.  It can be used
: at three different levels: nonbuffered 8250 UART compatibility mode,
: 16-byte FIFO 16550A UART compatibility mode, and "native" ESP mode (with
: 1K buffer, DMA, etc), which is quite different from anything else on the
: ...
: version 3.14.  If that is true, then previous releases probably use it in
: character-at-a-time 8250 mode, which would explain the symptoms you
: report.  We did look at adding a Hayes ESP driver to MS-DOS Kermit, but it
: turned out to be a huge amount of work for a relatively small audience,
: and so it wound up in a rather low position on our priority list.

For more FYI, I strictly do ZIPped download -- as such, I always try to 
turn off the hardware compression. With the Hayes Smartcom, I found it 
makes no difference in downloading speed whether the modem is going 
through Hayes ESP or a plain 8250-equipped built-in serial port.

So from that fact, there are some heavy-duty overhead works going on with 
kermit which I cannot put my finger on. I found the unprefix all does not 
always work. With 50-50 chance, the transfer will be aborted after 1st 
packet received with "unprefix all".

Right now I still use Z-modem and Y-modem G to download, but eventually I 
would like to change everything to kermit. I welcome any further comments 
and suggestions to get kermit working...

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For some friends of mine, I got them the new version of Kermit for DOS, version 3.14.  The server we connect to is running Solaris 2.4, and whenever they 
hit backspace, ^? appears on the screen.  I tried to use the same fix for them
as I used on my OS/2 C-Kermit, but for some reason it didn't work.  My fix was
putting   set key \127 \8  in my .ini file.  

Any help on this is greatly appreciated, as I can't seem to figure the problem
out.

Regards

Jeff


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In article <47j0tj$2ah@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, jroesner@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Jeffery Roesner) writes:
> For some friends of mine, I got them the new version of Kermit for DOS, version 3.14.  The server we connect to is running Solaris 2.4, and whenever they 
> hit backspace, ^? appears on the screen.  I tried to use the same fix for them
> as I used on my OS/2 C-Kermit, but for some reason it didn't work.  My fix was
> putting   set key \127 \8  in my .ini file.  
> 
> Any help on this is greatly appreciated, as I can't seem to figure the problem
> out.
----------
	It helps to read the manual. Use command SET KEY, press the key
of interest, type the new definition. The BackSpace key is not code \127;
that's the DEL key. Note that Unix can be setup to use a variety of possible
codes for backspace (move cursor left), destructive backspace (erase char),
and process kill; see its stty command.
	Joe D.

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On 5 Nov 1995, Leslie Mikesell wrote:
> In article <47g68a$rj2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
> Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
> >Anybody who wants to obtain Kermit software (other than Kermit 95) for
> >their own use can just ftp it from Columbia or, if they are not on the
> >net, they can order it from us. 
> OK, assume that someone out in the country has ...
> (case 1) that they have only DOS (no windows)
Give (not sell) them a diskette.  That's how many of us got started.
> (case 2) they have an "unbundled" unix distribution which doesn't
> include a compiler and can't include kermit
Give them a disk/tape/etc. with compiled kermit.  Columbia has
many binaries available (I got mine for SCO there).
> case 3) they have a full unix distribution but no ftp access.
Same as 2.

> >Or they can go to a store and buy it
> >(MS-DOS Kermit or Kermit 95). 
> Where would I look in Coshocton, Ohio?
In a BOOK store.  The Kermit software is with the book.
 
> >Our problem is with companies that expectto be able to SELL... 
> > . We lose income that we otherwise would have received.
> You lose that anyway, since anyone in their right mind will just throw
> a shareware program on a disk and mail it out.  And just what is
> it that you lose, when you insist that everyone can ftp it for
> free anyway?
Some of us think Kermit is MUCH better than any other terminal program.
 
> >service has a serious problem in the way it treats its customers, and you
> >should be talking to them, not us -- especially if you are paying them
> >money.
> I'm saying that I can provide kermit at my end but I can't give it out
> to the people who call my machines.  The result is that everyone finds
> their own software and so far I am unaware of anyone actually using
> a Columbia kermit even though it would work fine and might be free to
> them if the phase of the moon happened to be right.  I just don't
> quite understand how this is a good thing for any of us.
I've been using Columbia Kermit for years.  We give it to all
our users.  I have the UNIX version on all my hosts.  All UNIX
hosts I dial into have it.  It's beyond good to be able to transfer
files among all these machines, all the way up to the mainframes
and down to my Apple //e.

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In article
 <Pine.HPP.3.91.951104220341.18624A-100000-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>,
Psychos 'R Us  <honge@creighton.edu> wrote:
: : : ...
: : : With MS-kermit... 3.14 patch 0 (21 May 1995)
: 
You might want to try installing the patches - it might make a difference.

: : : ... the transfer rate is around 880cps... 
: 
: Right now, with all the control characters unprefixed, the transfer is 
: exactly 1187cps at 14.4k -- which, in my opinion, little bit low. (: But 
: it was an improvement from 880cps.
: 
Right on both counts.  Kermit can do much better than 1187 cps.

: For more FYI, I strictly do ZIPped download -- as such, I always try to 
: turn off the hardware compression. With the Hayes Smartcom, I found it 
: makes no difference in downloading speed whether the modem is going 
: through Hayes ESP or a plain 8250-equipped built-in serial port.
: 
: So from that fact, there are some heavy-duty overhead going on with 
: kermit which I cannot put my finger on.
: 
No, that's not it, because the same program can transfer data at much
higher rates.  Most people consistently get 1600+ bps downloading ZIP files
on exactly the same type of connection, even using relatively low-end PCs,
and MUCH higher rates than that on uncompressed files.  There is something
peculiar about your setup, and the most likely culprit is the ESP board.
A second suspect would be the modem.  Measurements done here indicate that
turning off compression buys you next to nothing, but -- given the variation
in modem quality -- probably introduces some risks.  So if I were in your
position I'd try a couple quick experiments:

 1. Put the modem back to its default configuration (RTS/CTS, V.32bis,
    V.42, V.42bis) and see what difference that makes.  Obviously, make
    sure Kermit is also set for RTS/CTS.

 2. Hook your modem up to a regular serial port -- preferably a 16550A if
    you have one, and take the ESP board out of the loop.  Most modern
    PCs have one or two serial ports on the motherboard and you probably
    had to go into SETUP to disable them in order to install your ESP.

: I found the unprefix all does not 
: always work. With 50-50 chance, the transfer will be aborted after 1st 
: packet received with "unprefix all".
: 
That means that there is at least one control character on your connection
that is not safe to unprefix.  Control-character unprefixing is
intrinsically a tricky business.  If it were safe to do it always, we'd
set Kermit up to do it by default.  You have to hunt down the offending
control character(s) and prefix it/them.  There are lots of hints about
this in the KERMIT.UPD file on the MS-DOS Kermit diskette.

- Frank

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In article <Pine.ULT.3.91.951104161129.24517G-100000@chinook.halcyon.com>,
Kathleen M. House <kmhouse@halcyon.com> wrote:
: 
: ... set key \315 {\Kathangup}  ; Assign ATHANGUP macro to the F1 key
: 
: Does the key need to be remapped after Kermit is closed? (I know how to 
: do this, if its necessary)
: 
No.  Kermit's key mappings are strictly local to Kermit itself and have
no effect outside Kermit, or after Kermit exits.  They also have no effect
at the Kermit prompt.  They only are effective when Kermit is in CONNECT
mode, i.e. when the terminal screen is active.

: Thanks for the FAQs and the prompt and *polite* response.
: 
You're welcome.  And thank you for saying thanks :-)

- Frank

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In article <47h6mb$pg8@tst.hk.super.net>,
Mr Patrick ShuPui Tam <patrickt@news.hk.super.net> wrote:
>Is there any means to have Kermit to recognize a control string that sent 
>from the host and then execute a dos batch ?  In particular, the host run 
>a cash receipt program, then send out a control string.  After kermit 
>capture this control string, it execute a small DOS batch program which 
>open the cash drawer.
>
Yes, there are numerous ways to do this.  If Kermit is in CONNECT mode you
can use the APC mechanism, documented in the KERMIT.UPD file on your
MS-DOS Kermit diskette, or you can use the PRODUCT macro, which is documented
in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit".

But since automated procedures like this are rarely in CONNECT mode, the
real way to do it with a script program.  The method for writing script
programs is documented in detail in the manual.

- Frank

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In article <47j0tj$2ah@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>,
Jeffery Roesner <jroesner@expert.cc.purdue.edu> wrote:
: For some friends of mine, I got them the new version of Kermit for DOS,
: version 3.14.  The server we connect to is running Solaris 2.4, and
: whenever they hit backspace, ^? appears on the screen.  I tried to use
: the same fix for them as I used on my OS/2 C-Kermit, but for some reason
: it didn't work.  My fix was putting set key \127 \8 in my .ini file.
: 
The scan code for the Backspace key in MS-DOS Kermit, as revealed by SHOW
KEY and as listed in the manual, is \270, not \127.

- Frank

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In article <1995Oct26.180344.1683@gems.vcu.edu>,
Brainwave Surfer <agnew@gems.vcu.edu> wrote:

>> What I'm saying is that Berkeley copyrighted code has found it's way
>> into almost everything, and has helped a lot of people.
>
>Les, so has the sendmail program, the major loophole into unix that people
>are STILL exploiting 10 years after the Morris internet worm... if the
>send mail program had been single-sourced like kermit maybe it would
>have been fixed... 

Beg your pardon?  Every sendmail I've seen has had a single author,
although the commercial vendors have twiddled their versions in
ways that make it difficult to keep up to date. Sendmail almost
certainly connects more sites with fewer problems than any other
single program.  Yes, it has had problems.  They have been fixed
quickly as they became known.

>i'm glad i run another type system looking at
>stuff like that.

This is like riding a bicycle because plane crashes get all the publicity. 
You might do well to look at the miles/accident ratio.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

t giving us anything
>back for it.  Because when we allow that:

> . We lose income that we otherwise would have received.

You lose that anyway, since anyone in their right mind will just throw
a shareware program on a disk and mail it out.  And just what is
it that you lose, when you insist that everyone can ftp it for
free anyway?

> . We get additional work because of tech-support calls.

Tech support is unrelated to allowing redistribution.

>That is: we do the work, the company gets the money, and in return we get
>even more work.  Does that strike you as a good model for a
>self-supporting software development project?

Yes - just charge for the support.  The work to create the code doesn't
increase just because more people use it.  If someone else redistributes
the code they will become the most likey contact for support anyway.
Programs that are available to everyone become self-supporting since
many people will know the answers to the common problems.

>If you have a company that wants to benefit financially from distributing
>our software to your customers, you very simply license the right to do so
>from us.  If you think that is unreasonable, that's your privilege.

It is not unreasonable, but then there is nothing to distinguish your
product from dozens of other commercial products, many of which can
be distributed freely on a shareware basis.

>On the other hand, if you are saying that you need to dial up or telnet to
>a host or service that refuses to even FTP Kermit software, I think that
>service has a serious problem in the way it treats its customers, and you
>should be talking to them, not us -- especially if you are paying them
>money.

I'm saying that I can provide kermit at my end but I can't give it out
to the people who call my machines.  The result is that everyone finds
their own software and so far I am unaware of anyone actually using
a Columbia kermit even though it would work fine and might be free to
them if the phase of the moon happened to be right.  I just don't
quite understand how this is a good thing for any of us.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: New Kermit Tech Support Policies
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In article <47jgl6$msl@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <47g68a$rj2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
> Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
> 
>>Anybody who wants to obtain Kermit software (other than Kermit 95) for
>>their own use can just ftp it from Columbia or, if they are not on the
>>net, they can order it from us. 
	<large omission>
> 
> I'm saying that I can provide kermit at my end but I can't give it out
> to the people who call my machines.  The result is that everyone finds
> their own software and so far I am unaware of anyone actually using
> a Columbia kermit even though it would work fine and might be free to
> them if the phase of the moon happened to be right.  I just don't
> quite understand how this is a good thing for any of us.
-----------
	Here we go again. Les, I think I understand part of your position.
To exagerate some it says not only should the software be free but it
should be delivered on a silver platter. That's an overstatement, but
not by a great deal. The part where you discuss not being able to give
it to your paying customers is not quite correct, but close. You can
give it to them if you arrange with Columbia financially. Because it
(the Columbia Kermits) are being used by you to increase your revenues 
and not those of the creators (except when you are one of the creators).
	How do folks arrange commercial products? Delivery isn't 
automatic, the product isn't free, redistribution is often controlled
by the originator, and it can't be obtained over the nets.
        If all Columbia Kermit material were, magically and hypothetically,
to one day be available only at a price from standard distributors then
would this discussion be occuring? Would folks be complaining bitterly about 
lack of free delivery? Nope. They'd say that was expected because that is
what everyone else is doing. Yet when there is the least element of non-
charge then it's camels nose time and the gimme complaints continue. 
	As Frank has commented about once per month, we are experiencing
a collision of galaxies: the old free mutual exchange and the new make
money fast. Current customers expect commercial quality (and get more than 
that from us) and service (and we know that costs big bucks), no matter if 
the product is produced by volunteers or by paid programmers. Well, the
money has to come from somewhere.
	Joe D.

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Answering my question,
In article <47de00$q7a@gateway.dircsa.org.au>
arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes:
>
>Have you tried getting your modem to ignore DTR (&D0), and consulted with Mac
>modem experts on settings, hardware-handshaking cables and the like?
 
I solved this problem over the weekend.  It involves turning off the
"Teleport" INIT that came with my modem.  Seems it does some strange things
when the serial port opens.  I still have other problems with downloading
but have narrowed that down to bad phone lines and crappy modems on the
other end of the connection.  Seems the University has some 9600 baud modems
on the verge of expiration.  Z-Modem doesn't like downloading from other
servers when I dial in to the same modem pool.  Kermit doesn't work, either,
for file transfers if I get a bad modem.  Works great in terminal emulation,
though.
 
I do have one other comment to add concerning the internals of Mac-Kermit:
I was downloading a 4 Meg file the other day (actually got a decent connection)
and when I had about ten minutes of transfer left, my machine locked up.  I
diagnosed the problem to be memory related (stack running into the heap).
This kind of thing happens when to many static variables collide with too
many calls to malloc.  The short term solution is to give MacKermit a huge
(over 1 Meg) partition when you plan to download large files.  The long term
soution is to change the memory allocation scheme in the ckc*.c file[s]
(don't remember which one) to work with the idiosyncracies of Macintosh
memory management.  But that would mean "more #ifdefs galore," to borrow a
line from our fearless leader, FDC.

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In article <47lsd3$4j6@Mars.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:

   In article <1995Nov5.202002.66006@cc.usu.edu>,
   Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:

   >	Here we go again. Les, I think I understand part of your position.
   >To exagerate some it says not only should the software be free but it
   >should be delivered on a silver platter. That's an overstatement, but
   >not by a great deal.

   Try it this way: if software is going to claim to be free, distribution
   should not be restricted.  The concept is bizarre.  

Nonsense.  The price you pay for the product need not have anything
to do with how you obtain it.  

   >Would folks be complaining bitterly about 
   >lack of free delivery? Nope. They'd say that was expected because that is
   >what everyone else is doing.

   Who else is taking contributed code and limiting acess to it?

GNU (in an odd sort of way).  As I understand the standard GNU
copyleft, if you make a GNU product available for re-distribution,
you must make all the source code available as well --- not just
those portions you find interesting or helpful.  This is an odd
form of limiting access, but it is a limit: if you want to make it
available, you must follow GNU's rules.  Similarly with Kermit: if
you want to make Kermit available, you must follow Kermit's rules.

   Why not split the products to follow your argument: allow free
   distribution of the original versions with contributed code and
   release new commercial versions to recoup the development cost
   of the flashy new stuff.  Then you could treat everyone the same.
   But, I still think the non-free kermits should change their name
   unless I am wrong about the history of how the name was obtained.

Frank da Cruz writes in "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" (if I
recall correctly) that Kermit was named after the Muppet of the same
name, chiefly because of his friendly and unassuming nature.  
At one time in history I believe the "official" story was that Kermit
is translated "free" in Celtic, but that was in part an attempt to
avoid the association with Henson Associates' rights to (the other)
Kermit.  Eventually the Henson people were asked for permission
to acknowledge the true origins of the name, and they graciously
agreed.

Again, this is an old argument, which will probably not satisfy
anyone here. 
-- 
Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan                               huggins@umich.edu
"You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is."
(PGP key available upon request)                             W. Bingham Hunter

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From: MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu (Manuel Morales)
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Subject: Help 3.13 => 3.14 (MS-DOS Ver. & Keymapping)
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The following gives a partial file for key mappings I used in 3.13.  However,
since switching to 3.14, I have not been able to get my keys PF11 and above
to work.  Could someone please explain what the problem is.
Thanks,
Manuel
; Set PF1-PF12 as F1-F12
echo UCSETKEY.INI tailoring keyboard for UConn mainframe 3270 emulation ...
SET KEY \315  \27\49    ; PF1   PF1
SET KEY \316  \27\50    ; PF2   PF2
SET KEY \317  \27\51    ; PF3   PF3
SET KEY \318  \27\52    ; PF4   PF4
SET KEY \319  \27\53    ; PF5   PF5
SET KEY \320  \27\54    ; PF6   PF6
SET KEY \321  \27\55    ; PF7   PF7
SET KEY \322  \27\56    ; PF8   PF8
SET KEY \323  \27\57    ; PF9   PF9
SET KEY \324  \27\48    ; PF10  PF10
SET KEY \1374 \27\45    ; PF11  Ctrl-F1
SET KEY \1375 \27\61    ; PF12  Ctrl-F2
SET KEY \389  \{27}-    ; PF11  PF11        (Enhanced Keyboard)
SET KEY \390  \{27}=    ; PF12  PF12        (Enhanced Keyboard)
;
; Set PF13-PF24 as Shifted PF1-12
SET KEY \852  \27q      ; PF13   Shift F1
SET KEY \853  \27w      ; PF14   Shift F2
SET KEY \854  \27e      ; PF15   Shift F3
SET KEY \855  \27r      ; PF16   Shift F4
SET KEY \856  \27t      ; PF17   Shift F5
SET KEY \857  \27y      ; PF18   Shift F6
SET KEY \858  \27u      ; PF19   Shift F7
SET KEY \859  \27i      ; PF20   Shift F9
SET KEY \860  \27o      ; PF21   Shift F9
SET KEY \861  \27p      ; PF22   Shift F10
SET KEY \1376 \{27}_    ; PF23   Ctrl-F3
SET KEY \1377 \{27}]    ; PF24   Ctrl-F4
SET KEY \903  \{27}_    ; PF23   Shift F11  (Enhanced Keyboard)
SET KEY \904  \{27}]    ; PF24   Shift F12  (Enhanced Keyboard)

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: What is Error #47-8?????
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In article <47lssr$ite@news.onramp.net>, kerber@idx.com writes:
> Can someone tell me what would cause the error
> "Error #47-8 Transfer cancelled by host."
> 
> It occurs only in large files, not small ones.
----------
	A little more context would help, such as which Kermits (operating
system and version of the Kermits on each end) and an idea of under what
circumstances it occurs.
	Picking up on your last sentence, perhaps the user does not have
enough disk space available on the remote host. Sort of looks like an IBM
mainframe situation.
	Joe D.

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From: kerber@onramp.net (Jeff Kerber)
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In article <1995Nov7.082033.66185@cc.usu.edu>,
   jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:
-->In article <47lssr$ite@news.onramp.net>, kerber@idx.com writes:
-->> Can someone tell me what would cause the error
-->> "Error #47-8 Transfer cancelled by host."
-->> 
-->> It occurs only in large files, not small ones.
-->----------
-->	A little more context would help, such as which Kermits (operating
-->system and version of the Kermits on each end) and an idea of under what
-->circumstances it occurs.
-->	Picking up on your last sentence, perhaps the user does not have
-->enough disk space available on the remote host. Sort of looks like an IBM
-->mainframe situation.
-->	Joe D.

This transfer is going from a VAX (host) to a PC. There is no disk space 
problem on the PC... Thanks for any help you can give!

Jeff Kerber
Software Engineer I - IDX Systems Corp. (Dallas ESD) - kerber@idx.com
OnRamp Technologies - Technical Support - kerber@onramp.net
***** RUNNING WINDOWS 95 *****

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From: jbarrm@panix.com (Barry Masterson)
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Subject: Kermit, Lynx & jumbled display
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Hi all,

I'm running FreeBSD on a 486, kermit is my communication program to
the outside world. When I connect to another unix system, everything
works fine, except for lynx - the text based hypertext browser.

The screen gets jumbled and is basically not very readable. I'm
setting the TERM as vt100 on my dialup account.  Does anyone here
have any suggestions for using kermit to access lynx?

Thanks
Barry Masterson
jbarrm@panix.com

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From: andyr@rainbow.rmii.com (Andy Rabagliati)
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Folks,

I have the latest version of kermit on Linux 1.3.37.

I have used the binary distribution, and recompiled the
source - which report C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Linux.

When I run kermit from X, in an xterm session, and
'set line /dev/cua1', it works fine, but also grabs /dev/cua0, the
mouse port, freezing my mouse. Quitting out of kermit restores
everything. /dev/cua0 is not grabbed until I do the 'set line'.

Worryingly, I can do 'set line /dev/cua0' with ease, and it
talks mouse-speak. Why does X not set a lock in either
/var/lock or /usr/spool/uucp (which kermit uses) to
indicate its use of the mouse port ?

If I create a binary lockfile pointing to process 1 (init)
in /usr/spool/uucp, kermit reports (correctly) an error
when attempting 'set line /dev/cua0'. However, the mouse
still freezes when 'set line /dev/cua1'.

Has anyone else seen this ?

I use a Tport Twin co-processed serial card, but with the
standard serial drivers, at the standard addresses and interrupts.
I use kermit all the time ..

Cheers,      Andy!

--
andyr@wizzy.com

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I am using kermit on our HP-UX system to transfer files on a PC with a 
28k8 modem. The filetransfer still stays at ca. 230 chars/second which is 
the same as with a 2400 baud modem. The modem connects at 28k8 with 
compression, so this is not the problem.
What could be the problem ?  On the PC I use TELIX .
Wim Glas  (whg@ihe.nl)   IHE-Delft.


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From: higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk
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Subject: Dectecting winsock - How?
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Hi out there in the info-pool

Just a quickie here:
  I'm using kermit under windows and would like to detect
whether Trumpet winsock is loaded, if it is, display some
error message then exit Kermit.  If it is not then Kermit
can continues and makes its connection to the remote host.
Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.     - Tony -


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit and Carriage returns
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In article <47taeg$jsu@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca>, colwell@news (Lee Colwell) writes:
> When I try to use MS-Kermit on a PC to log on to the UNIX
> server at work, the enter key is always displayed as a ^M.
> How do I correct this to get it to make enter behave normaly?
----------
	Because the Enter key defaults to sending Carriage Control,
Control-M. You can either fix the Unix machine to match or use 
Kermit command SET KEY to redefine the Enter key.
	Joe D.

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In article <1995Nov10.075715.66492@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <47taeg$jsu@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca>, colwell@news (Lee Colwell) writes:
>> When I try to use MS-Kermit on a PC to log on to the UNIX
>> server at work, the enter key is always displayed as a ^M.
>> How do I correct this to get it to make enter behave normaly?
> ----------
> 	Because the Enter key defaults to sending Carriage Control,
> Control-M. You can either fix the Unix machine to match or use 
> Kermit command SET KEY to redefine the Enter key.
> 	Joe D.
----
	Make that Carriage Return rather than Carriage Control. I should
not attempt typing before the sun rises in the morning.
	Joe D.

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From: robohen@cs.pitt.edu (Henry Robertson)
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Hi, I just got kermit 3.1.4.  When I try to connect to a certain number,
I get a bunch of garbage characters because either the baud rate or the
parity bit or byte size is incorrect.  So when I try to change this and
reconnect, kermit keeps saying I should turn the modem on.  It is on and
disconnected.  Any suggestions?

E-mail replies appreciated since I don't read this newsgroup.

Henry

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From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair)
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deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng) writes:

>I am trying to add a callback feature through a modem on a sgi
>(running irix5.3) and need a program which has the option not to
>disconnect the establish serial port connection when exit from the
>program.  

When I had to do this under AIX, I couldn't find a way to keep the
operating system from cleaning up the port when the process ended.
Instead I put Kermit into the background and removed the lock file.
This worked, as long as I didn't reactivate Kermit while the other
program was using the port.
-- 

Bob Shair                          Open Systems Consultant
1018 W. Springfield Avenue         rmshair@uiuc.edu
Champaign, IL 61821		   217/356-2684

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From: higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk
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Subject: How to disable kermit's key-strokes?
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Hi out there is net-land,

Simple quietion: is it possible to disable kermit's alt-h etc...
key-strokes whilst in connect mode, as these key-strokes are
part of kermit's software.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

 - Tony -


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From: mike@mbrg.com (Mike Berg)
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Subject: K95: Setting terminal character-set in dialer?
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I'd like to use latin1-iso. I'm able to set it OK from the command interface, 
and it seems to work just fine.

However, I'd like to be able to set the terminal character-set from the dialer   
GUI interface.  There's a Character set list-box on the Terminal tab in the 
dialer Edit dialog, but if I set it to  latin1-iso, it is not saved, and it 
always seems to revert to transparent.  Is there something else I need to do 
to get it to save and use this information?  It seems to remember and use the 
other information on the Terminal tab OK.

Mike


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From: mip@mphd1.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Martin Plumb)
Subject: Kermit script crashing
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I have written a Kermit script which runs on a PC and automatically enters 
data into a database running on an IBM RS6000 computer.

Everything works as I would expect until the end when the script tries to 
send the appropriate sequences to log off from the RS6000.  At that point it 
puts ^O on the screen and apparently crashes. 

Further investigation revealed that it doesn't crash - instead, it comes out 
of the script and into connect mode where I seem to have to type CTRL N 
and <Return> before it will talk again.

The root cause of the problem appears to be the sequence:-
ESC [ 63 ; 1 " p
which is sent by the RS6000.  As far as we can establish, that is supposed to 
select a VT mode and perform a soft reset.

I tried setting TERM to a non-Ansi type (eg VT52) just before the 
sequence was due to arrive but it didn't solve the problem.

Incidentally, if I go through the whole procedure in connect mode, Kermit is 
quite happy!

Does anyone have any ideas?

Martin Plumb

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From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith)
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Subject: Re: Dectecting winsock - How?
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In article <1995Nov9.171003.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>, higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk writes:
|> Hi out there in the info-pool
|> 
|> Just a quickie here:
|>   I'm using kermit under windows and would like to detect
|> whether Trumpet winsock is loaded, if it is, display some
|> error message then exit Kermit.  If it is not then Kermit
|> can continues and makes its connection to the remote host.
|> Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
|> 
|> Thanks in advance.     - Tony -
|> 

I don't believe there is any way to detect that Winsock is running.
However, if you *know* you are on an ethernet connection you can test
for failure after your script executes "connect" and then issue a warning
message asking if Winsock is implicated.  That, at least, was how I
did it here.  Below are a couple macros defined in our local customizations.
\m(qcon) is a local macro indicating the type of connection: ethernet, dial-in,
or pacx.  You'd have to replace that test with something of your own.
The login script does a set port tcp <whatever> and then

   connect
   if failure wswarn

; Emsg reports an error message with a beep and then sleeps 10 seconds
; to let Windows users read the message before exiting.
def emsg -
   echo {\7\%1}, -
   if > argc 1 echo {}, -
   echo {...MS-Kermit will exit in 10 seconds or sooner if you press any key...}, -
   sleep 10, -
   exit
; wswarn warns that Kermit cannot be used on an ethernet connection if
; Winsock is running.  On other connections wswarn is a no-op.
def wswarn -
   if not eq \m(qcon) ethernet end, -
   echo {}, -
   echo {Warning: MS-Kermit could not establish a network connection.  If you are in}, -
   emsg {Windows, make sure that Trumpet Winsock is *closed*, not just minimized.}, -
   end 1
-- 
 
 Mike Smith                                  mike@ccs.queensu.ca
 Queen's University                          Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA
 Computing and Communications Services       (613) 545-2024

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From: davidsen@glacial.tmr.com (Bill Davidsen)
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In article <47olha$e6o@rainbow.rmii.com>,
Andy Rabagliati <andyr@wizzy.com> wrote:

| When I run kermit from X, in an xterm session, and
| 'set line /dev/cua1', it works fine, but also grabs /dev/cua0, the
| mouse port, freezing my mouse. Quitting out of kermit restores
| everything. /dev/cua0 is not grabbed until I do the 'set line'.

I think you may have a Linux problem. I run Kermit 190 on a number of
Linux and SCO machines, and other than having /dev/modem be an slink to
the port so I can share scripts, I do the same thing. All my Linux
machines are 1.2.13, the latest production release.

There is always the possibility that you have a config error in Kermit,
but it's unlikely, since Kermit just doesn't work with multiple lines. I
don't suppose you've looked at the major and minor numbers with ls, and
the port config with setserial? Are the com ports configured wrong?

| Worryingly, I can do 'set line /dev/cua0' with ease, and it
| talks mouse-speak. Why does X not set a lock in either
| /var/lock or /usr/spool/uucp (which kermit uses) to
| indicate its use of the mouse port ?

That's not an error, it's a design decision. You could add the lock to
your Xinitrc file if you find it needed.

| If I create a binary lockfile pointing to process 1 (init)
| in /usr/spool/uucp, kermit reports (correctly) an error
| when attempting 'set line /dev/cua0'. However, the mouse
| still freezes when 'set line /dev/cua1'.
| 
| Has anyone else seen this ?

Thankfully not!

| I use a Tport Twin co-processed serial card, but with the
| standard serial drivers, at the standard addresses and interrupts.
| I use kermit all the time ..

It's my comm program of choice, too. I really suspect either the driver
or the hardware is configured wrong. Check the ports and ints with
setserial. 
-- 
Stupidity, like virtue, is its own reward.
	Bill Davidsen (davidsen@tmr.com) consultant/director
TMR does UNIX and other systems stuff, some real time, network and
system admin, security, C and other good stuff.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit script crashing
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In article <mip.11.00150CA8@mphd1.novell.leeds.ac.uk>, mip@mphd1.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Martin Plumb) writes:
> I have written a Kermit script which runs on a PC and automatically enters 
> data into a database running on an IBM RS6000 computer.
> 
> Everything works as I would expect until the end when the script tries to 
> send the appropriate sequences to log off from the RS6000.  At that point it 
> puts ^O on the screen and apparently crashes. 
> 
> Further investigation revealed that it doesn't crash - instead, it comes out 
> of the script and into connect mode where I seem to have to type CTRL N 
> and <Return> before it will talk again.
> 
> The root cause of the problem appears to be the sequence:-
> ESC [ 63 ; 1 " p
> which is sent by the RS6000.  As far as we can establish, that is supposed to 
> select a VT mode and perform a soft reset.

	Scripts do NOT run in Connect mode, the terminal emulator runs only
in Connect mode. The above control sequence is passed to DOS by scripts
and that is the agent becoming confused by it. ANSI.SYS does not qualify
as even a poor VT100 emulator let alone a sophisticated VT320.
	Joe D.
 
> I tried setting TERM to a non-Ansi type (eg VT52) just before the 
> sequence was due to arrive but it didn't solve the problem.
> 
> Incidentally, if I go through the whole procedure in connect mode, Kermit is 
> quite happy!
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas?
> 
> Martin Plumb

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Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:

> In article <47lsd3$4j6@Mars.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:

> > In article <1995Nov5.202002.66006@cc.usu.edu>,
> > Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
> >>You can
> >>give it to them if you arrange with Columbia financially. Because it
> >>(the Columbia Kermits) are being used by you to increase your revenues 
> >>and not those of the creators (except when you are one of the creators).
> > 
> > It is pretty much irrelevant to my revenues what product they use on
> > the other end.  I'd just like to be helpful.  And it is annoying that
> > I can't help them get kermit unless they don't need it.  If financial
> > arrangements are necessary they might as well use another product. The
> > only real reason I have for wanting kermit on the other end is that
> > I could give out scripts to do what people normally want to do.

Given the intention to supply scripts etc, and given that one of the
arguments against free re-distribution is the support cost bourne by
Columbia, would a reasonable approach be for Les to agree to support
the people to whom he supplies kermit rather than have them call
columbia?

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Hi there out there in Net-Info-land

I would like to use kermit under windows v3.1, I also have
Trumpet winsock installed.  Is there any way to get the two 
to work together or, another way to use Kermit under the
windows environment.

Also, I know kermit can set and check the status of the COM ports
(COM1 to COM4 is UART or not) using the SET BIOS COM2 command for
example.  But is there a way of checking that the com port kermit
will use is not in use by any other device or application before 
kermit is invoked? 

Please email me any suggertions or examples of how to overcome
these obsticles.

Thanks in advance...

  - Tony -


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I am trying to add a callback feature through a modem on a sgi
(running irix5.3) and need a program which has the option not to
disconnect the establish serial port connection when exit from the
program.  
On a HP workstaion, the command "ct" has the following option which
does the trick:

           -h             Prevent ct from disconnecting ("hanging up") the
                          current tty line.  This option is necessary if the
                          user is using a different tty line than the one
                          used by ct to spawn the getty.

Howerver, that command is not available on sgi and "cu" will disconnect
the line when exit, so does "kermit" under default settings.
Is there an option in kermit similar to the -h option for ct?

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Help 3.13 => 3.14 (MS-DOS Ver. & Keymapping)
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In article <17451CB54S86.MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>, MAM94006@UConnVM.UConn.Edu (Manuel Morales) writes:
> The following gives a partial file for key mappings I used in 3.13.  However,
> since switching to 3.14, I have not been able to get my keys PF11 and above
> to work.  Could someone please explain what the problem is.
	What might you mean by "not work?" The key definitions are
syntactically correct. You can see them by Kermit command SHOW KEY.
	Joe D.

> Thanks,
> Manuel
> ; Set PF1-PF12 as F1-F12
> echo UCSETKEY.INI tailoring keyboard for UConn mainframe 3270 emulation ...
> SET KEY \315  \27\49    ; PF1   PF1
> SET KEY \316  \27\50    ; PF2   PF2
> SET KEY \317  \27\51    ; PF3   PF3
> SET KEY \318  \27\52    ; PF4   PF4
> SET KEY \319  \27\53    ; PF5   PF5
> SET KEY \320  \27\54    ; PF6   PF6
> SET KEY \321  \27\55    ; PF7   PF7
> SET KEY \322  \27\56    ; PF8   PF8
> SET KEY \323  \27\57    ; PF9   PF9
> SET KEY \324  \27\48    ; PF10  PF10
> SET KEY \1374 \27\45    ; PF11  Ctrl-F1
> SET KEY \1375 \27\61    ; PF12  Ctrl-F2
> SET KEY \389  \{27}-    ; PF11  PF11        (Enhanced Keyboard)
> SET KEY \390  \{27}=    ; PF12  PF12        (Enhanced Keyboard)
> ;
> ; Set PF13-PF24 as Shifted PF1-12
> SET KEY \852  \27q      ; PF13   Shift F1
> SET KEY \853  \27w      ; PF14   Shift F2
> SET KEY \854  \27e      ; PF15   Shift F3
> SET KEY \855  \27r      ; PF16   Shift F4
> SET KEY \856  \27t      ; PF17   Shift F5
> SET KEY \857  \27y      ; PF18   Shift F6
> SET KEY \858  \27u      ; PF19   Shift F7
> SET KEY \859  \27i      ; PF20   Shift F9
> SET KEY \860  \27o      ; PF21   Shift F9
> SET KEY \861  \27p      ; PF22   Shift F10
> SET KEY \1376 \{27}_    ; PF23   Ctrl-F3
> SET KEY \1377 \{27}]    ; PF24   Ctrl-F4
> SET KEY \903  \{27}_    ; PF23   Shift F11  (Enhanced Keyboard)
> SET KEY \904  \{27}]    ; PF24   Shift F12  (Enhanced Keyboard)

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In article <47o8eu$8gh@toads.pgh.pa.us>,
Henry Robertson <robohen@cs.pitt.edu> wrote:
>Hi, I just got kermit 3.1.4.  When I try to connect to a certain number,
>
You mean it only happens with this number but not with others?

>I get a bunch of garbage characters because either the baud rate or the
>parity bit or byte size is incorrect.  So when I try to change this and
>reconnect, kermit keeps saying I should turn the modem on.  It is on and
>disconnected.  Any suggestions?
>
So it sounds like you are using one of the MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts.
Which one?

If you are using a relatively modern high-speed modem, for example a
USR Sportster, then if you choose the appropriate script (for example, by
giving the command "set modem sport" or putting this command in your
MSCUSTOM.INI file), then it will lock your modem's interface speed and
Kermit's speed to match, and that way you shouldn't get any speed mismatches.

Some of our older scripts used to look and see if the modem was asserting
the Data Set Reader (DSR) and/or Clear To Send (CTS) signal(s) prior to
dialing, and if not, would assume that you had forgotten to turn on your
modem.  However, since some modems do not assert these signals (despite
well-known standards that say they should) even when they ARE turned on,
this would result in the aforementioned message.  I'm pretty sure we removed
all of these checks from the 3.14 scripts, but if the script you are using
has this check and message in it, you can simply edit it out.

Much more about this topic in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", in the
online files KERMIT.BWR, KERMIT.UPD, etc, and in our FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit slow on fast modem ?
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In article <DHq72F.K2A@inter.NL.net>, Wim Glas <wglas@inter.NL.net> wrote:
>I am using kermit on our HP-UX system to transfer files on a PC with a 
>28k8 modem. The filetransfer still stays at ca. 230 chars/second which is 
>the same as with a 2400 baud modem. The modem connects at 28k8 with 
>compression, so this is not the problem.
>What could be the problem ?  On the PC I use TELIX .
>
HP-UX versions prior to 10.00 generally have a very old version of Kermit
that lacks most of the modern performance improvements.  Telix has a very
poor implementation of Kermit.  If you use C-Kermit 5A(190) on HP-UX and
MS-DOS Kermit instead of Telix on the PC, you achieve the high transfer
rates you expect.  More information at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

and, in particular (about Telix):

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn5.html#perf

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: How to disable kermit's key-strokes?
Date: 13 Nov 1995 19:33:04 GMT
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In article <1995Nov8.130939.1@vax.sbu.ac.uk>,  <higginha@vax.sbu.ac.uk> wrote:
>Simple question: is it possible to disable kermit's alt-h etc...
>key-strokes whilst in connect mode, as these key-strokes are
>part of kermit's software.
>
Yes.  As explained in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", you can map any
keys to send any character, any string, or to perform any "keyboard
verb", or to execute any user-defined macro, or any combination of
these, or to do nothing at all.  If, for example, you want Alt-h to do
nothing at all:

  set key \2339 \Kignore

\2339 is the scan code of Alt-h, as shown by SHOW KEY and as listed in
the Scan Code table in the manual.  \Kignore is the keyboard verb whose
action is "ignore this keystroke".  Same deal for all other keys and key
combinations.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: K95: Setting terminal character-set in dialer?
Date: 13 Nov 1995 19:40:55 GMT
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In article <47t879$46e@hoho.quake.net>, Mike Berg <mike@mbrg.com> wrote:
: I'd like to use latin1-iso. I'm able to set it OK from the command
: interface, and it seems to work just fine.
: 
: However, I'd like to be able to set the terminal character-set from the
: dialer GUI interface.  There's a Character set list-box on the Terminal
: tab in the dialer Edit dialog, but if I set it to latin1-iso, it is not
: saved, and it always seems to revert to transparent.  Is there something
: else I need to do to get it to save and use this information?  It seems
: to remember and use the other information on the Terminal tab OK.
: 
This seems to be a bug, having to do with whether the character-set name
has a dash in it.  It should be fixed in the second patch, which will be
available soon.  The workaround, in the meantime, is to put "set terminal
character-set latin1" in your K95CUSTOM.INI file (assuming you want to use
Latin-1 all the time).  If you only want to use it when connecting to
certain hosts, but not others, there are other tricks you can do.  Send
email to kermit-support@columbia.edu if you want to go into that.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: disable "disconnect" when exit from kermit
Date: 13 Nov 1995 20:10:36 GMT
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In article <DHu494.9p5@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>,
Hua Deng <deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> wrote:
: I am trying to add a callback feature through a modem on a sgi
: (running irix5.3) and need a program which has the option not to
: disconnect the establish serial port connection when exit from the
: program.  
:
: On a HP workstaion, the command "ct" has the following option which
: does the trick:
: 
:            -h             Prevent ct from disconnecting ("hanging up") the
:                           current tty line.  This option is necessary if the
:                           user is using a different tty line than the one
:                           used by ct to spawn the getty.
: 
: Howerver, that command is not available on sgi and "cu" will disconnect
: the line when exit, so does "kermit" under default settings.
: Is there an option in kermit similar to the -h option for ct?
:
This is a specific instance of a Frequently Asked Question, namely
"How Can I Exit from C-Kermit without Hanging up?"  This is just been added
to our faq:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

Here's the text:

Many people want to be able to make a dialout connection with UNIX
C-Kermit, but then use some other software on the connection that C-Kermit
made.  They quickly find that when they exit from C-Kermit, that the
connection is gone before they can start the other application.

It is a fundamental property of UNIX that when a process exits, then every
file that was opened by that process is automatically closed by UNIX.
Closing a terminal device (such as a dialout tty device) hangs it up.
There is nothing the process can do about it.

However, many workarounds are possible.  Here are just a few:

 . Read about the REDIRECT command in the ckcker.upd file.

 . Find out the file descriptor of the open device (it is given by
   C-Kermit's \v(ttyfd) variable) and then run ("!") your other program
   from the C-Kermit prompt, feeding it the file descriptor, e.g. through
   shell redirection or a command line option (the method depends on the
   other program, the capabilities of the shell, etc).

 . After Kermit makes the connection, type "show comm" to find out the
   filename of the lock file.  Then suspend Kermit, then delete the lock
   file, then start the other program and tell it to open the same tty
   device.
 
(End quote)

However, if all you want to do is dial up another computer that will dial
you back, there are easier ways to do it -- just write a Kermit script
that makes the call, performs the dialog with the callback system, and
then hangs up, and then waits to be called back.  The test version of
C-Kermit, 5A(192), which you can find on kermit.columbia.edu in the
kermit/test tree, has a new ANSWER command to make the second part easy.
Without it, however, it's still pretty easy -- after hanging up,
"output ats0=1\13" to the modem and then wait for CONNECT (assuming the
modem is Hayes compatible).

- Frank

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From: itz@rahul.net (Ian T Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: protect modem under C-Kermit?
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Hi. This may be a FAQ, but it isn't in the C-Kermit manual which I
read cover to cover. I am looking for a U*x communication program
which is both secure and flexible. This means:

secure - non-root users can't under any circumstances enter the modem
command mode.

flexible - all users can specify their own phone book files, line
setup options (baud, data/parity/stop, etc.) and scripts to execute
once online. But, they must _not_ be permitted to specify their own
modem initialization strings.

It seems to me that every modem comm program in existence is either
fascist - ie. secure and inflexible. Examples: cu, tip. Or
libertarian - ie. flexible and insecure. Examples: minicom, and,
unfortunately, C-kermit.
That's because 
1/ the "connect" command can be entered at any time, even before
the modem has a carrier. Then users can talk directly to the modem and
reprogram it to their hearts' content.
2/ Users can execute "set dial init-string", thus setting modem
options indirectly. A special case of this is that they can reenable
the modem escape sequence (`+++') if it has been disabled, then use it
to get back to command mode at an arbitrary time.

I would very much like to get around this problem in C-Kermit ,
because otherwise I like it a lot, for its flexibility and
simplicity. Anybody there knows how to do this (preferably without
hacking C code) ?

--
Ian T Zimmerman            +-------------------------------------------+
P.O. Box 13445             I    With so many executioners available,   I
Berkeley, California 94712 I suicide is a really foolish thing to do.  I
USA  <itz@rahul.net>       +-------------------------------------------+

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From: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk (Steve Fosdick)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Flow control xon/xoff <-> RTS/CTS?
Date: 13 Nov 1995 22:57:43 GMT
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We have a modem link, using modems with NMP5 which therefore implement
flow control between the modem and the computer.

At one end, the flow control mechanism is RTS/CTS and at the other end
the flow control mechanism is Xon/Xoff.

With this setup, file transfers sometimes get hung, and whenever this
occurs, if I ^C from the file transfer, connected to the other end,
and send an XON character I get a large number of queued packets in
response.

Never having had this problem when using Xon/Xoff at both ends I
assume that kermit includes sending an Xon to the modem as part of
it's timeout recovery mechanism in case the modem received an Xoff
which kermit didn't send it, but doesn't do that if flow is set to
RTS/CTS.

Question: is there any detrimental effect to be had from trying the
Xon heuristic in RTS/CTS mode?

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	I recently downloaded and compiled C-Kermit on my Sparc-5
	running Solaris 2.3 . I compiled version 5A(190) of C-kermit
	using the standard make solaris2xg with no errors. I was 
	running kermit interactively and it caused a kernel panic
	that brought my machine to its knees and eventually rebooted
	in single user mode.  I recovered from this incident but am
	a little wary of running kermit again. 

	Are there any know bugs or problems that I should be aware of?
	

	thanks in advance

	Peter Noone
	pknoone@cris.com

	

	

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From: "Mark T. Regan" <reganm@coil.com>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: OS/2 Kermit 5A(191) can I remap the right control key?
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 20:45:41 -0500 (EST)
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Is there a way to remap the right control key? I would like it to be Enter,
and the original Enter to be something else (3270 New Line), when I use
Kermit through a protocol converter. When I use SHOW KEY, the right control
key doesn't produce any scan code. My PC is an IBM P70 (8573-121), running
WARP CONNECT.

Thanks.

=====================================================================
Mark T. Regan                        Internet: reganm@coil.com
Network Specialist                   City:  Reynoldsburg
CTO1    USNR-R (1969-1991)           State: Ohio


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From: tcmayo%eng112@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Tom Mayo N1RMU)
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Hello-

I am trying to add a low-tech node to my home LAN.  My downstairs
neighbor and I already run two Linux boxes on our Ethernet with no
problems.  I want to add my 286 to the network.  It has a 3COM 3C503
and I have installed the Crynwr packet driver for this card with cmd
line 3c503 0x78.  It seems to work ok with TELNETD, but what I would
like is to run Kermit so I can connect to the other nodes.

Our little network is 10.0.0.0 with fang at 10.0.0.1 and tuning at
10.0.0.2.  Communication between fang and tuning is superfine.  The
286 is cheesebox at 10.0.0.3.  I am using the MSCUSTOM.INI file at the
end of the message on cheesebox.  The problem is that I get the following
message when I try to connect from cheesebox at the Kermit prompt:

resolving addres of host 10.0.0.1...
unable to ARP resolve 10.0.0.1
unable to contact the host
the host may be down or a gateway may be needed
?cannot start the connection

When I run pkttraf (came with Crynwr) I see the Ethernet addresses
of both fang and cheesebox as I do a ping or traceroute from fang,
but when I run Kermit, it just sits there not echoing the ping or acking
that it exists at all.

PLEASE HELP!

Here is my MSCUSTOM.INI:


GOTO GO ; FILE MSCUSTOM.INI
;
; SAMPLE individual customization file for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.
; Make any desired changes, and then store this file in the same directory
; as your MSKERMIT.INI initialization file.
;
; Author: Christine M. Gianone, Sep 1992
; Revised: Jun 1993 for version 3.13
; Revised: Jan 1995 for version 3.14
;
:GO
if < \v(version) 314 -
  stop 1 -
  This MSCUSTOM.INI file may be used only with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or later.

echo Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, \v(cmdfile)...
echo Please edit this file to suit your needs and preferences.

COMMENT - Autodownload and autoupload are disabled by default, see KERMIT.UPD.
;
check term
if fail forward XFER
ec
ec Auto-upload and -download disabled.
ec Use SET TERMINAL APC ON to enable.
ec
; set terminal apc on           ; Uncomment to enable this feature.

:XFER
COMMENT - Sample file transfer preferences.
;
set block 3                     ; 16-bit CRC for strong error checking.
set window 4                    ; 4 Window slots.
set receive packet-length 2000  ; Packet length is governed by receiver.
set control prefix all          ; Prefix all control characters.

; Macros for transferring files in text and binary mode...
;
define bsend binary, send \%1 \%2  ; SEND in binary mode
define tsend text,   send \%1 \%2  ; SEND in text mode
define bget  binary, get \%1  ; GET in binary mode
define tget  text,   get \%1  ; GET in text mode

COMMENT - TCP/IP network configuration.
;
check tcp
if fail forward notcp

; If your site has a BOOTP server and your PC is registered in it, the only
; command you need here is the following SET TCP/IP ADDRESS BOOTP command.
; You will also need the SET TCP/IP DOMAIN command if your BOOTP server is
; not at RFC1395 level and/or does not provide your PC's hostname (substitute
; your PC's real hostname for FOO.BAR.EDU).
;
; set tcp address BOOTP                 ; BOOTP will tell me my IP address
; SET TCP/IP DOMAIN MAYO.ORG       ; My network's domain name

; Otherwise, to use TCP/IP connections, replace the dummy values below with
; appropriate values for your network (DON'T MAKE THEM UP! - consult your
; network manager) and uncomment the SET TCP/IP commands.
;
SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 10.0.0.3  ; My PC's numeric IP address
SET TCP/IP SUBNETMASK 255.255.255.0 ; My physical network's subnet mask
SET TCP/IP DOMAIN MAYO.ORG       ; My PC's fully qualified domain name
; SET TCP/IP GATEWAY 123.123.123.1    ; My network gateway's IP address
; SET TCP/IP PRIMARY-NAMESERVER 123.123.123.2   ; Primary nameserver's address
; SET TCP/IP SECONDARY-NAMESERVER 123.123.123.3 ; fallback nameserver address
SET TCP/IP BROADCAST 255.255.255.255 ; My network's broadcast address

; Sample macro that shows how to use the session manager to access
; a particular host, called MYHOST.  Make one of these for each host you
; commonly access.  The first time you type "myhost" you'll get a new
; connection (and a session number), and subsequent times, the same session
; will be continued.  This allows for easy session-switching from the
; MS-Kermit> prompt.  You can also use Alt-n (\KnextSession) to toggle among
; sessions while in CONNECT mode. The TELNET macro is defined in MSKERMIT.INI.
;
define myhost -
 telnet myhost 23 vt320,-
 if success assign myhost telnet \v(session)

:NOTCP
;
; Add your own macro definitions, key settings, color selections, etc, here,
; for example:

; set modem hayes         ; Change this to your modem type, see MODEMS\READ.ME.
; set printer nul       ; Uncomment this if you do NOT have a printer.
set port 1              ; Change if desired.  If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR.
set speed 9600          ; Change if desired.
set flow xon/xoff       ; Change to RTS/CTS if modem is configured for this.
check term
if fail end 0
set term type vt100     ; Change this if desired.
set term bytesize 8     ; Change to 8 if desired.
;set term color 0 34 47  ; Terminal screen fore- and background colors.
;set term under 0 33 47  ; Underscore simulation colors.

; take \v(inidir)keyboard\vt300.ini ; Uncomment for full VT320 key mappings.

; (End of MSCUSTOM.INI)


Thank you for reading this.

--
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N1RMU     PACKET: N1RMU @ WA2UMX.#ENY.NY.US.NA  ..  ._.. .. _._ .  _._. .__
For PGP public key, e-mail me at work with subject send_pgp_key.

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From: andyr@rainbow.rmii.com (Andy Rabagliati)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: settings
Date: 14 Nov 1995 00:30:48 -0700
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In article <488pbm$13n@epsilon.qmw.ac.uk>,
Ivan Danicic <etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk> wrote:

>Hello, I'm terribly ignorant so here is a stupid question: to download
>a file from my local host to my home PC (which operation is terribly slow now)
>which Kermit settings should I try to change? Receiver or sender?

In the days before the transfer command was ftp, kermit was born.

You could, and can, set capabilities separately on each end.

It made sense then to set the required capabilities at the end you
were changing ..

However, I think the new kermits inform each other of such changes
now, and they do the Right Thing.

I hate text mode. It gets in the way. That's one of the reasons I like
ncftp - you know its binary by default.

Or, you could just try it ..

kermit informs you of the transfer mode.

Cheers,      Andy!

--
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   and now the last cloud drains away.			    W.Z.I. Consulting
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         FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
         =====================

         Contact:        Lee Fitzpatrick
                         Manning Software Inc.
                         +1 (203) 629 2078 (Voice)
                         +1 (203) 661 9018 (Fax)
                         lee@manning.com


         KERMIT 95
         Communications Software for Windows 95

     A new product by the team that developed the Kermit protocol and
     the world-renowned Kermit communications products.


Early users' praise:

        "The first thing I did was to verify that I could achieve the fast
file transfer on a dialed connection that I was used to ... did it ...
3240 cps @28800 BAUD for uncompressible data (I don't often get that out
of ZMODEM).  Having done that, I got rid of Hyperterminal.  Then I
verified that it would Telnet using the Win95 Winsock and SLIP or PPP
... it did (excellent terminal emulation) ... then I got rid of QVT."
                                        -- Vincent Fatica
                                           Syracuse University

        "I've used MS-DOS Kermit for years and now that I am running
Windows NT, I am overjoyed to have Kermit 95 running under it.  I am a
frequent user of EMACS over a dialup line and Kermit gives me far more
control over reprogramming individual keys than any other terminal
emulator I have seen, either freeware or commercial."
                                        -- Tom Horsley
                                           Harris Computers


         Greenwich, CT, November 13, 1995 -- Manning Software and Columbia
University's Kermit Project announced today the release of a new product:
the Kermit 95 communications package for Microsoft Windows 95.  Dubbed K-95,
it is a fast and friendly, fully native, 32-bit communications software
package for both serial and TCP/IP communication.  With a projected street
price of $54 and very little competition, K-95 is positioned for
aggressive market penetration.

        "The number of people needing communications software is growing
rapidly, and we expect K-95 to become a major player in the Windows 95
segment of the marketplace," said Marjan Bace, President of Manning
Software.  "The numbers of people working from their homes is growing
exponentially.  The estimates for those currently using BBSs range from 30
to 50 million.  A new trend is BBS access over the Internet--suddenly, BBSs
are turning themselves into global resources by joining the net," he
added.

        "The work-at-home crowd will use K-95 and its scriptable operation
to log onto their corporate network either by a direct call or by
connecting through a data network like SprintNet or Tymnet," Mr Bace said.
Because of the key role of online communications in today's world, the
entire Windows 95 marketplace is also the Kermit 95 marketplace.  K-95 is
the perfect Telnet client for Netscape, Internet Explorer, and other
popular Web browsers.  Used in this way K-95 "gives you important
benefits: you can transfer files while in your telnet session; you have
more and better terminal emulations to choose from; and you have colors,
scrollback, key mapping, and local printing," he added.

         The just-released version 1.1 comes in two parts: a full-GUI
Dialer and a console-mode Kermit engine.  For most common uses of the
system users will deal solely with the Dialer.  It is replete with menus,
pushbuttons, dialog boxes, notebooks, etc.  "Under the hood is the most
intensely tested and improved communications engine ever," Mr. Bace said.
The K-95 engine itself is accessed through a traditional non-GUI
command/terminal screen.  Fully GUI'ized access to K-95 is in development
and registered buyers of the current version 1.1 will receive a free
upgrade to the fully GUI version planned for early 1996.

         Announced in September on the Internet, K-95 has already logged
hundreds of orders and numerous bulk licenses are in negotiation.  "The
Columbia Kermit Web site had an average weekly hit-rate of 10,000.  This
has doubled to 20,000 per week in response to the announcement of Kermit
95," said Christine Gianone, Manager of the Kermit Project.  "In the
Windows 95 newsgroups on the net, people are clamoring for full-function,
native Windows 95 communications software that actually works," she added.

         Frank da Cruz, the leader of the Kermit development team and an
internationally known communications expert, has compared the operation of
K-95 to the alternatives that are currently available -- Microsoft's
built-in Hyperterminal and Telnet applets and Mustang Software's QModemPro
-- and has posted the results in tables on the Columbia University Kermit
Website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

         He concludes that Hyperterminal provides substantially lesser
capabilities, while there is great deal of operational overlap between
QModemPro and K-95.  The strengths of Kermit appear to be in providing
robust, reliable operation in diverse application situations, while
QModemPro's strengths are its support of fancier BBS features like RIP
scripts, doorway mode, and a 100% GUI interface.  Mr. da Cruz has invited
comparisons and postings on the Internet by others.  QModemPro is expected
to have a street price of approximately $99.

         According to Mr. Bace the "popularity of the traditional versions of
Kermit--known to be of high quality--will be the wedge we will use to open
the marketplace for this commercial product."  Previous versions of Kermit
software have been bundled with the products of major computer, networking,
and software vendors.  They are in use in thousands of companies the world
over, at practically every university in the world, and throughout the US
and other governments.  Kermit lies at the heart of many high-profile
mission-critical communication applications, from the recent Brazilian
national elections to the UN relief efforts in Bosnia.  And, the Kermit
support team has gained a reputation for excellent support -- voice,
e-mail, newsgroup, BBS, etc, and is known for its rapid response to trouble
reports.

         The following Sales Sheet details Kermit 95 features, operational
 capabilities, tech support, pricing, and ordering information.  To receive
 more information please contact Lee Fitzpatrick at Manning Software.

      KERMIT 95 SALES SHEET
      =====================

Features

K-95 features a graphical Dialer; a directory preloaded with hundreds of
dialup and network connections; fast screen updates; full color selection;
the same high-quality VT100/VT200/VT300 and ANSI terminal emulation that
the Kermit Project is famous for; virtually unlimited and instantaneous
screen rollback; flexible key mapping; full support for all VT100/200/300
keys; integrated mouse functions like copy-and-paste, cursor steering;
screen height and width selection; character-set conversion; versatile
printer control; pop-up context-sensitive help, debugging, etc.

Operation

K-95 operation supports: The leading file transfer protocols (X/Y/ZMODEM,
ASCII, and K-95's Kermit protocol is, of course, the fastest and most
advanced implementation of the Kermit protocol available anywhere),
incorporating: sliding windows; long packets; control-character
unprefixing; locking shifts; character-set translation; an update feature;
file transfer recovery; automatic file transfer initiation; and much more;
Windows 95 long filenames; background as well as foreground file transfers;
management of multiple sessions through the graphical Dialer; an
intelligent phone-list that understands the difference between
international, long-distance, local, toll-free, and internal PBX calls, and
adjusts itself according to your location and allows multiple phone numbers
for a single service, and can be told how many times and how frequently to
redial if the connection is not made; script programming (using the same
portable Kermit script language that is already in widespread use on
hundreds of other platforms) which, when used in combination with the
Windows 95 System Agent, allows for automatically scheduled unattended
communications tasks;

Support

The software comes with a 100-page user manual plus a 500-page technical
reference manual.  A dedicated newsgroup and a tech-support BBS are
available for discussion and patch distribution.  Voice support is
available at $2.50 per minute via a 900 hotline.  Kermit 95 will be
aggressively supported with patches, updates, information bulletins, and a
Kermit magazine all of which are free of charge to registered users.

Pricing

Unit price: $54.00 plus shipping.

Quantity discounts, academic site licenses, and bulk right-to-copy
licenses are available.  

For further information, see:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

To order, contact:    Lee Fitzpatrick
                      Manning Software Inc.
                      lee@manning.com

Marjan

________________________
Marjan Bace, Ph D
Publisher and Partner
Manning Publications Co.
203 629 2028
fax: 203 661 9018
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit 5A(191) can I remap the right control key?
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.951112204044.19851A-100000@bronze.coil.com>,
Mark T. Regan <reganm@coil.com> wrote:
: Is there a way to remap the right control key? I would like it to be Enter,
: and the original Enter to be something else (3270 New Line), when I use
: Kermit through a protocol converter. When I use SHOW KEY, the right control
: key doesn't produce any scan code.
: 
There is no way to map modifier keys (Ctrl, Alt, Shift, Caps Lock) by
themselves.  In general, if you can't get a scan code with SHOW KEY, you
can't map the key.

- Frank

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From: itz@rahul.net (Ian T Zimmerman)
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Subject: Re: disable "disconnect" when exit from kermit
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In article <DHu494.9p5@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng) writes:

> 
> I am trying to add a callback feature through a modem on a sgi
> (running irix5.3) and need a program which has the option not to
> disconnect the establish serial port connection when exit from the
> program.  
> On a HP workstaion, the command "ct" has the following option which
> does the trick:
> 
>            -h             Prevent ct from disconnecting ("hanging up") the
>                           current tty line.  This option is necessary if the
>                           user is using a different tty line than the one
>                           used by ct to spawn the getty.
> 
> Howerver, that command is not available on sgi and "cu" will disconnect
> the line when exit, so does "kermit" under default settings.
> Is there an option in kermit similar to the -h option for ct?

AFAIK there's no way to do that in software with Kermit; however, most
modems can do it in hardware: don't drop carrier when DTR is toggled,
that is. So just add the appropriate magic AT command into what you
specify after "set dial init-string". I think AT&D0 will work with
most Hayes type modems.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: protect modem under C-Kermit?
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In article <ITZ.95Nov12201537@kronstadt.rahul.net>,
Ian T Zimmerman <itz@rahul.net> wrote:
: Hi. This may be a FAQ...
:
No, this is a new one.

: ... but it isn't in the C-Kermit manual which I
: read cover to cover. I am looking for a U*x communication program
: which is both secure and flexible. This means:
: 
: secure - non-root users can't under any circumstances enter the modem
: command mode.
: 
: flexible - all users can specify their own phone book files, line
: setup options (baud, data/parity/stop, etc.) and scripts to execute
: once online. But, they must _not_ be permitted to specify their own
: modem initialization strings.
: 
: It seems to me that every modem comm program in existence is either
: fascist - ie. secure and inflexible. Examples: cu, tip. Or
: libertarian - ie. flexible and insecure. Examples: minicom, and,
: unfortunately, C-kermit.
: That's because 
: 1/ the "connect" command can be entered at any time, even before
: the modem has a carrier. Then users can talk directly to the modem and
: reprogram it to their hearts' content.
: 2/ Users can execute "set dial init-string", thus setting modem
: options indirectly. A special case of this is that they can reenable
: the modem escape sequence (`+++') if it has been disabled, then use it
: to get back to command mode at an arbitrary time.
: 
: I would very much like to get around this problem in C-Kermit ,
: because otherwise I like it a lot, for its flexibility and
: simplicity. Anybody there knows how to do this (preferably without
: hacking C code) ?
: 
I would not consider this a problem.  What you view as insecurity are
essential features for most people.

Sometimes it's better to state the problem you are actually trying to
solve, rather than to propose a solution in a vacuum.  Let me take a wild
guess -- you have some kind of dialout modem pool, and you don't want
users to be able to mess up a modem so that subsequent users can't use it
(or worse).

This is a common problem, but the place to solve it is not in the
software.  Even if it were solved in the software and you had a "secure"
version of Kermit, any user could simply ftp an "insecure" version and
defeat your security (this is an oversimplification in the interest of
brevity).  The place to solve the problem is the modem itself.  Most
modems can be programmed to reset themselves to a site-defined state when
the phone connection is hung up.  Rack-mount modems (like USR) come with a
management system (e.g. Total Control) that can control the modems
externally, reloading their configurations to undo anything even the most
devious user could do to them.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermint: Kernel Panic Sol 2.3!!
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In article <488dc7$j17@spectator.cris.com>,
Peter  Noone <Pknoone@cris.com> wrote:
>
>	I recently downloaded and compiled C-Kermit on my Sparc-5
>	running Solaris 2.3 . I compiled version 5A(190) of C-kermit
>	using the standard make solaris2xg with no errors. I was 
>	running kermit interactively and it caused a kernel panic
>	that brought my machine to its knees and eventually rebooted
>	in single user mode.  I recovered from this incident but am
>	a little wary of running kermit again. 
>
>	Are there any know bugs or problems that I should be aware of?
>	
Plenty of them.  They are documented as thoroughly as we know how in the
release note.  The pertinent file is ckuker.bwr (C-Kermit for UNIX "beware"
file).  I quote liberally from it below, but please note that if a user-mode
program can crash an UNIX operating system, the problem is not in the
user-mode program :-)

(3.7) C-KERMIT AND SOLARIS

C-Kermit can't be compiled successfully under Solaris 2.3 using SUNWspro cc
2.0.1 unless at least some of the following patches are applied to cc (it is
not known which one(s), if any, fix the problem):

  100935-01 SparcCompiler C 2.0.1: bad code generated when addresses
    of two double arguments are involved 
  100961-05 SPARCcompilers C 2.0.1: conditional expression with
    function returning strucure gives wrong value 
  100974-01 SparcWorks 2.0.1: dbx jumbo patch
  101424-01 SPARCworks 2.0.1 maketool SEGV's instantly on Solaris 2.3

With unpatched cc 2.0.1, the symptom is that certain modules generate
truncated object files, resulting in many unresolved references at link time.

Reportedly, "C-Kermit ... causes a SPARCstation running Solaris 2.3
to panic after the modem connects.  I have tried compiling C-Kermit with Sun's
unbundled C compiler, with GCC Versions 2.4.5 and 2.5.3, with make targets
'sunos51', 'sunos51tcp', 'sunos51gcc', and even 'sys5r4', and each time it
compiles and starts up cleanly, but without fail, as soon as I dial the number
and get a 'CONNECT' message from the modem, I get:

  BAD TRAP
  kermit: Data fault
  kernel read fault at addr=0x45c, pme=0x0
  Sync Error Reg 80 <INVALID>
  ...
  panic: Data Fault.
  ...
  Rebooting...

The same modem works fine for UUCP/tip calling."  Also (reportedly), this only
happens if the dialout port is configured as in/out via admintool.  If it is
configured as out-only, no problem.  This is the same dialing code that works
on hundreds of other System-V based UNIX OS's.  Since it should be impossible
for a user program to crash the operating system, this problem must be chalked
up to a Solaris bug.  Even if you SET CARRIER OFF, CONNECT, and dial manually
by typing ATDTnnnnnnn, the system panics as soon as the modem issues its
CONNECT message.  (Clearly, when you are dialing manually, C-Kermit does not
know a thing about the CONNECT message, and so the panic is almost certainly
caused by the transition of the Carrier Detect (CD) line from off to on.)
This problem was reported by many users, all of whom say that C-Kermit worked
fine on Solaris 2.1 and 2.2.  If the speculation about CD is true, then a
possible workaround might be to configure the modem to leave CD on (or off)
all the time.  Perhaps by the time you read this, a patch will have been
issued for Solaris 2.3.

The following is from Karl S. Marsh, Systems & Networks Administrator,
AMBIX Systems Corp, Rochester, NY (begin quote):

"Environment:
  Solaris 2.3 Patch 101318-45
  C-Kermit 5A(189) (and presumably this applies to 188 and 190 also)
  eeprom setting:
    ttya-rts-dtr-off=false
    ttya-ignore-cd=false
    ttya-mode=19200,8,n,8,-

"To use C-Kermit on a bidirectional port in this environment, do not use
admintool to configure the port.  Use admintool to delete any services running
on the port and then quit admintool and issue the following command:

  pmadm -a -p zsmon -s ttyb -i root -fu -v 1 -m "`ttyadm -b -d /dev/term/b \
  -l conttyH -m ldterm,ttcompat -s /usr/bin/login -S n`"

[NOTE: This was copied from a fax, so please check it carefully]  where:

  -a = Add service
  -p = pmtag (zsmon)
  -s = service tag (ttyb)
  -i = id to be associated with service tag (root)
  -fu = create utmp entry
  -v = version of ttyadm
  -m = port monitor-specific portion of the port monitor administrative file
       entry for the service
  -b = set up port for bidirectional use
  -d = full path name of device
  -l = which ttylabel in the /etc/ttydefs file to use
  -m = a list of pushable STREAMS modules
  -s = pathname of service to be invoked when connection request received
  -S = software carrier detect on or off (n = off)

"This is exactly how I was able to get Kermit to work on a bi-directional
port without crashing the system."  (End quote)

On the Solaris problem, also see SunSolve Bug ID 1150457 ("Using C-Kermit, get
Bad Trap on receiving prompt from remote system").  Another user reported "So,
I have communicated with the Sun tech support person that submitted this bug
report [1150457].  Apparently, this bug was fixed under one of the jumbo
kernel patches.  It would seem that the fix did not live on into 101318-45, as
this is EXACTLY the error that I see when I attempt to use kermit on my
system."

Later (Aug 94)...  C-Kermit dialout successfully tested on a Sun4m with a
heavily patched Solaris 2.3.  The patches most likely to have been relevant:

101318-50: SunOS 5.3: Jumbo patch for kernel (includes libc, lockd)
101720-01: SunOS 5.3: ttymon - prompt not always visible on a modem connection
101815-01: SunOS 5.3: Data fault in put() NULL queue passed from
                      ttycommon_qfull()
101328-01: SunOS 5.3: Automation script to properly setup tty ports prior to
                      PCTS execution

Still later (Nov 94): another user (Bo Kullmar in Sweden) reports that after
using C-Kermit to dial out on a bidirectional port, the port might not answer
subsequent incoming calls, and says "the problem is easy enough to to fix with
the Serial Port Manager; I just delete the service and and install it again
using the graphical interface, which underneath uses commands like sacadm and
pmadm."  Later Bo reports, "I have found that if I run Kermit with the
following script then it works.  This script is for /dev/cua/a, -s a is the
last a in /dev/cua/a

  #! /bin/sh
  kermit
  sleep 2
  surun pmadm -e -p zsmon -s a

(end quote)

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Flow control xon/xoff <-> RTS/CTS?
Date: 14 Nov 1995 14:07:57 GMT
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In article <488ih7$jsg@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk>,
Steve Fosdick <stevef@aom.bt.co.uk> wrote:
: We have a modem link, using modems with NMP5 which therefore implement
: flow control between the modem and the computer.
: 
: At one end, the flow control mechanism is RTS/CTS and at the other end
: the flow control mechanism is Xon/Xoff.
: 
: With this setup, file transfers sometimes get hung, and whenever this
: occurs, if I ^C from the file transfer, connected to the other end,
: and send an XON character I get a large number of queued packets in
: response.
: 
: Never having had this problem when using Xon/Xoff at both ends I
: assume that kermit includes sending an Xon to the modem as part of
: it's timeout recovery mechanism in case the modem received an Xoff
: which kermit didn't send it, but doesn't do that if flow is set to
: RTS/CTS.
: 
: Question: is there any detrimental effect to be had from trying the
: Xon heuristic in RTS/CTS mode?
: 
Obviously, yes.  Flow control should be operational locally between
each pair of devices that are capable of it.  So RTS/CTS between the
PC and the modem, MNP5 between the two modems, and RTS/CTS *or*
Xon/Xoff between the remote modem and the remote computer.

- Frank

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From: Pknoone@cris.com (Peter  Noone)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermint: Kernel Panic Sol 2.3!!
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Peter  Noone (Pknoone@cris.com) wrote:

: 	I recently downloaded and compiled C-Kermit on my Sparc-5
: 	running Solaris 2.3 . I compiled version 5A(190) of C-kermit
: 	using the standard make solaris2xg with no errors. I was 
: 	running kermit interactively and it caused a kernel panic
: 	that brought my machine to its knees and eventually rebooted
: 	in single user mode.  I recovered from this incident but am
: 	a little wary of running kermit again. 

: 	Are there any know bugs or problems that I should be aware of?
: 	

: 	thanks in advance

: 	Peter Noone
: 	pknoone@cris.com

: 	
	Just to follow up on my on post.........

	Well I fired up kermit and set my modem to hayes and my
	device to /dev/cua/a at speed 19200 then proceeded to
	dial out.  After timing out my system suffered a kernel
	panic and rebooted.  I am clueless as to what it could be.

	peter noone
	pknoone@cris.com 	

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Having read the FAQ answer to this question I would like to addone
thing, which is not to forget configuring the other end to accept the
DEL character which kermit normally sends.

On a UNIX system, I set the erase character to DEL if the terminal
type is a vt-series terminal (kermit included) and backspace otherwise
because this is what these terminals normally send.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Kermit 95 Update Available
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This is to announce version 1.1.1 of Kermit 95, which is available to
current registered users of Kermit 95 1.1 as a patch.  This patch applies
only to shrink-wrapped copies, not to site licensed copies, which are
already at 1.1.1 level.

You may download the patch from the Kermit BBS or you can ftp it in binary
mode from the Internet Kermit archive:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/*

Patch 1 corrects the following problems:

 . General improvement of accuracy and appearance of Dialer status line.
 . Attempting to <Remove> a preloaded Dialer entry no longer crashes the
   Dialer.
 . "Dial Prefix" no longer also becomes "Dial Suffix".
 . Alphabetization of Dialer entries is now case insensitive.
 . Range checking for numeric dial options fixed in Dialer.
 . Correction for Kermit BBS entry in Dialer.
 . Spurious "OK to close?" message when launching a connection from the
   Dialer, now removed.
 . Download directory specified in General page of entry notebook was ignored,
   now works.
 . ZMODEM downloads fixed to work with FILE COLLISION BACKUP and RENAME.
 . ZMODEM downloads fixed on Telnet connections where they didn't work before.
 . Under certain conditions, K95 would fail to find script or key mapping
   files if a full pathname was not given.
 . Changes made to modem configuration in K95CUSTOM.INI were ignored when
   starting a connection from the Dialer.
 . The version number is changed from 1.1 to 1.1.1.

To apply Patch 1:

 . Make a backup copy of your Kermit 95 directory.  This is not only a
   safety precaution in case something goes wrong (it shouldn't), but also
   because future patches might have to be applied to the 1.1 base version.

 . Ftp the following files to your PC's Kermit 95 directory in
   binary mode:

     w110-111.rtp
     w110-111.rtd
     patch.exe

 . While cd'd to your Kermit 95 directory, type the following command:

     patch w110-111.rtp

 . Check afterwards that your K95DIAL.EXE and K95.EXE files operate correctly,
   that the bugs mentioned above are fixed, and that none of the files that
   you might have customized (such as K95CUSTOM.INI or DIALUSR.DAT) have been
   altered.

After applying the patch, read the BUGS.DOC file for details about the bugs
that were fixed by this patch, and known problems that are still outstanding,
as well as some frequently asked questions (and answers).

Additional patches will be issued periodically to correct reported problems
and to add features.

Full information on Kermit 95 is available on the Web at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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From: etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk (Ivan Danicic)
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Hello, I'm terribly ignorant so here is a stupid question: to download
a file from my local host to my home PC (which operation is terribly slow now)
which Kermit settings should I try to change? Receiver or sender?
Thanks in advance for all polite replies!
Ivan - etx8piggotl@unl.ac.uk


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From: rosselot@cyclops.iucf.indiana.edu (Don Rosselot)
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Subject: ? KERMIT with embedded system, how?
Date: 14 Nov 1995 02:22:40 GMT
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I am trying to implement kermit on an embedded system.  Am188em microcont-
roller from AMD.  I need the source code to kermit, best without bios
or system calls.   Any Ideas?

Thanks, Don

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In article <4888ns$j8s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>
>It is a fundamental property of UNIX that when a process exits, then every
>file that was opened by that process is automatically closed by UNIX.
>Closing a terminal device (such as a dialout tty device) hangs it up.
>There is nothing the process can do about it.

On most modern (and many ancient) versions of UNIX (System V derived
or cloned), the process can clear the HUPCL flag (Hang UP on CLose)
before exiting, thus explicitly telling the terminal device not to
hang up the line when it is closed. I'd be surprised if equivalent
functionality isn't present in other flavours of UNIX.


		My opinions; I do not speak for my employer.

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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In article <488dc7$j17@spectator.cris.com>,
: Peter  Noone <Pknoone@cris.com> wrote:
: >
: >	I recently downloaded and compiled C-Kermit on my Sparc-5
: >	running Solaris 2.3 . I compiled version 5A(190) of C-kermit
: >	using the standard make solaris2xg with no errors. I was 
: >	running kermit interactively and it caused a kernel panic
: >	that brought my machine to its knees and eventually rebooted
: >	in single user mode.  I recovered from this incident but am
: >	a little wary of running kermit again. 
: >
: >	Are there any know bugs or problems that I should be aware of?
: >	
: Plenty of them.  They are documented as thoroughly as we know how in the
: release note.  The pertinent file is ckuker.bwr (C-Kermit for UNIX "beware"
: file).  I quote liberally from it below, but please note that if a user-mode
: program can crash an UNIX operating system, the problem is not in the
: user-mode program :-)

	<< Lots of helpful info deleted >>

	Thanks Frank.  I guess it's time for me to RTFM bigtime.
	I bought your book today, last copy at the Stanford Bookstore.
	Who needs a bidirectional modem port anyway :).


	Peter Noone
	pknoone@cris.com

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From: "Bruno W. Repetto" <br0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Subject: Help with VMS CKermit
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I need some help with CKermit.  Last year I copied a not-so-new version of
CKermit (C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, OpenVMS VAX; I know, I know, it's not
the latest...) to a DEC 3100 running VMS 5.5.  Never had a problem using it
during all this time.  Last week, I copied the same program to a similar
DEC 3100, also running VMS 5.5.  I use ckermit to connect from the first
computer to the second.  The problem occurs when I start ckermit on the
second computer to receive files (plain text files) from the first one.
The transfer of files time out.   I am at a loss as to what I should be
looking for to correct this problem.  Can anybody help?

Thanks!

B Repetto


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From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler)
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Subject: Re: Dial Out from Kermit CMS
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In article <47d55m$hgu@news-owego.endicott.ibm.com>,
 <shirley@lfs.loral.com> wrote:
>I've sucessfully dialed out with Kermit-CMS by telnetting from the Kermit-CMS prompt to	
>a port on the terminal server setup for dialout.  How do you actually send and receive files	
>though?  I tried SHOW ESCAPE to see what the escape character is so I can hotkey to	
>local mode, but no luck.

Kermit-CMS doesn't have a CONNECT mode.  Since terminals on IBM mainframes
(like other I/O devices there) talk in block mode, you simply cannot have a
transparent session passing through to a remote character-mode host.  Not
only that, but the terminal connection is inherently half-duplex, so that
even a partial implementation requiring the user to press an attention key
after every ordinary keystroke would still fail to simulate a transparent
session.  You can run Kermit-CMS in local mode, but only by dialing into
an alternate virtual terminal device.

					John Chandler

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: ? KERMIT with embedded system, how?
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In article <488uhg$iic@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, rosselot@cyclops.iucf.indiana.edu (Don Rosselot) writes:
> I am trying to implement kermit on an embedded system.  Am188em microcont-
> roller from AMD.  I need the source code to kermit, best without bios
> or system calls.   Any Ideas?
> 
> Thanks, Don
--------
	That's a tall order. We don't have source code for a microcontroller.
That means you will have to roll your own, oh joy, or contract with someone
do it. As encouragement Kermits have been written in silicon before, one
version a long time ago, and another version in HP 48 calculators (current).
Sources for both are not publically available, sigh. I have no idea of what
an Am188em has on the inside so advice on how tough the task will be is not
possible in this message. Finally, another encouragement is the Kermit 
protocol is designed such that the least feature-full implementations can work
with the fanciest.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Flow control xon/xoff <-> RTS/CTS?
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In article <488ih7$jsg@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk>, stevef@aom.bt.co.uk (Steve Fosdick) writes:
> We have a modem link, using modems with NMP5 which therefore implement
> flow control between the modem and the computer.
> 
> At one end, the flow control mechanism is RTS/CTS and at the other end
> the flow control mechanism is Xon/Xoff.
> 
> With this setup, file transfers sometimes get hung, and whenever this
> occurs, if I ^C from the file transfer, connected to the other end,
> and send an XON character I get a large number of queued packets in
> response.
> 
> Never having had this problem when using Xon/Xoff at both ends I
> assume that kermit includes sending an Xon to the modem as part of
> it's timeout recovery mechanism in case the modem received an Xoff
> which kermit didn't send it, but doesn't do that if flow is set to
> RTS/CTS.
> 
> Question: is there any detrimental effect to be had from trying the
> Xon heuristic in RTS/CTS mode?
> 
> --
> Steve Fosdick                  Internet: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk
> Voice: +44 1473 642987         BT WEB:   FOSDICK S J
> Fax:   +44 1473 644607         BOAT:     FOSDICSJ
> Snail: Room 210, B67, BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, IP5 7RE, England.
---------
	What's needed is for each leg of the comms pathway to flow control
between the boxes terminating that leg, or do only end to end flow control
with transparency along the link. The latter approach is simpler but suffers
from major worries of overrunning one of the intermediate boxes and of the
overall byte storage of the comms channel (and it can be large). So Plan A
is the desirable approach.
	Kermit won't do both XON/XOFF and RTS/CTS flow control at the same
time, nor should it. You will need to have a little talk with each modem
and the remote host about which kind of flow control is to be used where
(hopefully hardware RTS/CTS so the channel remains totally transparent).
	Joe D.

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From: rusty@iefm770.itg.ti.com (Rusty Haddock)
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Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit 5A(191) can I remap the right control key?
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Frank da Cruz writes:
  >In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.951112204044.19851A-100000@bronze.coil.com>,
  >Mark T. Regan <reganm@coil.com> wrote:
  >: Is there a way to remap the right control key? I would like it to be Enter,
  >: and the original Enter to be something else (3270 New Line), when I use
  >: Kermit through a protocol converter. When I use SHOW KEY, the right control
  >: key doesn't produce any scan code.
  >: 
  >There is no way to map modifier keys (Ctrl, Alt, Shift, Caps Lock) by
  >themselves.  In general, if you can't get a scan code with SHOW KEY, you
  >can't map the key.
  >- Frank

Even if you do get a scan code from SHOW KEY it won't necessarily be
accepted by SET KEY.  Case in point:

	[C:\] C-Kermit>show key<CR>
	 Press key: {Press Shift PageUp}
	 Key code \841 => Undefined
	[C:\] C-Kermit>set key \841 ?Invalid: set key \841
	[C:\] C-Kermit>set key _

After pressing the 1 in 841 the error message is displayed.

There are other key-combo/scan codes for which happens as well.  There is
a work around though.  I have found that by converting the scan code to
hexadecimal it will be accepted by SET KEY (e.g. SET KEY \x349 \Kscnup).
This is for C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 (I'm running version 3.0 on an IBM
PS/2 Model 77).

	-Rusty-
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Help with VMS CKermit
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In article <okeBYfu00YWm81o0wH@andrew.cmu.edu>,
Bruno W. Repetto <br0w+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
: I need some help with CKermit.  Last year I copied a not-so-new version of
: CKermit (C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, OpenVMS VAX; I know, I know, it's not
: the latest...) to a DEC 3100 running VMS 5.5.  Never had a problem using it
: during all this time.  Last week, I copied the same program to a similar
: DEC 3100, also running VMS 5.5.  I use ckermit to connect from the first
: computer to the second.  The problem occurs when I start ckermit on the
: second computer to receive files (plain text files) from the first one.
: The transfer of files time out.   I am at a loss as to what I should be
: looking for to correct this problem.  Can anybody help?
: 
The manual, "Using C-Kermit", has an entire chapter (Chapter 6) devoted
to this topic, plus additional material in the VMS Appendix.  In other
words, any number of things can go wrong -- there is no short answer.
However, since most common cause for file transfer failure on VMS is buffer
overruns, you might begin by looking at flow control and buffer sizes.
See, in particular, the CKVINS.DOC file that contains installation
instructions.

- Frank

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In article <488ntu$or1@morgan.vf.mmc.com>, tcmayo@eng112 (Tom Mayo N1RMU) writes:
> Hello-
> 
> I am trying to add a low-tech node to my home LAN.  My downstairs
> neighbor and I already run two Linux boxes on our Ethernet with no
> problems.  I want to add my 286 to the network.  It has a 3COM 3C503
> and I have installed the Crynwr packet driver for this card with cmd
> line 3c503 0x78.  It seems to work ok with TELNETD, but what I would
> like is to run Kermit so I can connect to the other nodes.
> 
> Our little network is 10.0.0.0 with fang at 10.0.0.1 and tuning at
> 10.0.0.2.  Communication between fang and tuning is superfine.  The
> 286 is cheesebox at 10.0.0.3.  I am using the MSCUSTOM.INI file at the
> end of the message on cheesebox.  The problem is that I get the following
> message when I try to connect from cheesebox at the Kermit prompt:
> 
> resolving addres of host 10.0.0.1...
> unable to ARP resolve 10.0.0.1
> unable to contact the host
> the host may be down or a gateway may be needed
> ?cannot start the connection

	Some Linux systems have terrible problems with ARP caches.
I suggest you use the re-issue edition of MSK v3.14 (fetch from 
kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, binary file msvibm.zip) which
cures one bug in MSK's ARP code.
	Joe D.

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From: itz@rahul.net (Ian T Zimmerman)
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In article <48a7df$ro3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

> : It seems to me that every modem comm program in existence is either
> : fascist - ie. secure and inflexible. Examples: cu, tip. Or
> : libertarian - ie. flexible and insecure. Examples: minicom, and,
> : unfortunately, C-kermit.
> : That's because 
> : 1/ the "connect" command can be entered at any time, even before
> : the modem has a carrier. Then users can talk directly to the modem and
> : reprogram it to their hearts' content.
> : 2/ Users can execute "set dial init-string", thus setting modem
> : options indirectly. A special case of this is that they can reenable
> : the modem escape sequence (`+++') if it has been disabled, then use it
> : to get back to command mode at an arbitrary time.
> : 
> 
> Sometimes it's better to state the problem you are actually trying to
> solve, rather than to propose a solution in a vacuum.  Let me take a wild
> guess -- you have some kind of dialout modem pool, and you don't want
> users to be able to mess up a modem so that subsequent users can't use it
> (or worse).
> 

Right on.

> This is a common problem, but the place to solve it is not in the
> software.  Even if it were solved in the software and you had a "secure"
> version of Kermit, any user could simply ftp an "insecure" version and
> defeat your security (this is an oversimplification in the interest of
> brevity). 

No, not if access to the device is restricted and kermit (or whatever)
runs setuid/setgid.

> The place to solve the problem is the modem itself.  Most
> modems can be programmed to reset themselves to a site-defined state when
> the phone connection is hung up.  Rack-mount modems (like USR) come with a
> management system (e.g. Total Control) that can control the modems
> externally, reloading their configurations to undo anything even the most
> devious user could do to them.
> 

OK, I will look at that.
--
Ian T Zimmerman            +-------------------------------------------+
P.O. Box 13445             I    With so many executioners available,   I
Berkeley, California 94712 I suicide is a really foolish thing to do.  I
USA  <itz@rahul.net>       +-------------------------------------------+

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From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
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Well, it's not actually a trick, rather a convenient use of the capabilities
of Windows95 and Kermit95.

I have an oft-used entry called "Telnet gamera" in the K95 dialer. When I
use the dialer to get to gamera, the dialer writes the script
k95\tmp\telnet_gamera.scr then starts the "engine" (k95.exe) telling it to
"take" the script. This is how the dialer starts all connections.

1. I told the dialer to save this script by putting "set startup-file keep"
	in k95.ini

2. I copied tmp\telnet_gamera.scr to scripts\gamera.ksc (use any extension
	here which has no W95 associations; don't use "scr" since W95
	thinks they're screensaver files)

3. In Explorer/View/Options/FileTypes, I created the file type "Kermit
	script", assigned it the extension ".ksc" and associated it 
	with the action:

 		c:\k95\k95.exe -SC "take %1"

(This is literal; S means "stay" [don't exit upon return to the K95 prompt];

C means execute the Kermit command that follows)

Voila! double-click "gamera.ksc" (or a shortcut to it) and a few moments
later, I'm sitting at gamera's prompt. I put a shortcut to "gamera.ksc" in
my start menu, and now a single click gets me there without messing with the
dialer ... convenient!

And I discovered that the ksc file did not have to be anywhere special, 
since Windows95 passes a fully qualified drive:\path\name (%1) to K95.exe.

And, of course, when Explorer shows me one of these ksc files in a folder 
(with details) it identified as being of the type "Kermit script".

Enjoy!

 - Vince



 - Vince

*************************************
   Vincent Fatica
   Syracuse University Mathematics
   vefatica@syr.edu
*************************************


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Could anyone tell me how to make the termainal emulator display 
characters 128-256 of the ISO Latin 1 set?  I've set the display to 8-bit 
and terminal character-set to Latin-1 but I still see only the ASCII 
characters that correspond to (number of the character I expect) - 128 on 
my screen.  (For example, I get "i" where I would expect "e" with an 
acute accent.)  When I look at files I've transfered with the type 
command, I see the IBM graphics character for the character number I 
expected (in the 128-256 range).  I'm using the VT102 emulation on an XT 
computer.
Thanks,
David Stow


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <48fjt3$3ct@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>,
David Stow <dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> wrote:
: Could anyone tell me how to make the termainal emulator display 
: characters 128-256 of the ISO Latin 1 set?  I've set the display to 8-bit 
: and terminal character-set to Latin-1 but I still see only the ASCII 
: characters that correspond to (number of the character I expect) - 128 on 
: my screen.  (For example, I get "i" where I would expect "e" with an 
: acute accent.)
: 
So then this must be MS-DOS Kermit, right?  What version?  The current
version is 3.14.

Proper display of many different character sets is an integral feature of
MS-DOS Kermit.  The mechanics are explained in detail in Chapter 13 of
the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit".

Is Kermit's PARITY set to NONE?

Assuming it is, then it sounds like you have set up Kermit correctly
(check with SHOW TERMINAL), so I expect that the host is simply not
sending all 8 bits.  It is likely that you need to give a command at the
host to make it stop chopping off the 8th bit.  The exact format of the
command would depend on the host.  In SunOS it would be "stty pass8".  In
VMS, "set terminal/eight", and so on.  If you are going through a terminal
server, it too might need some command for 8-bit transparency.

: When I look at files I've transfered with the type command, I see the
: IBM graphics character for the character number I expected (in the
: 128-256 range).  I'm using the VT102 emulation on an XT computer.
:
How do you mean "transfered with the type command"?  You mean you used
LOG SESSION on the PC to capture a file that you typed on the host?
This raises two questions:

 1. Why not use Kermit protocol to transfer the file?  This will handle
    the character-set conversion for you.

 2. Why do you get 8-bit characters in your log file if you don't see them
    on your screen?  This one is a puzzle, and I can't offer any hints
    without a more detailed report.

- Frank

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Hi. I was wondering if anyone has experienced either of the following
messages:

  "?No room for Take file buffer or Macro Definition"

  - when downloading a file using a macro.

  "?Word "^@^@^@^@" is not usable here"

  - I get when disconnecting (alt-x) from a tcp/ip connection with
    a unix host. When I try to quit, I get the following message:

  "Memory Allocation Error"
  "Cannot Load Command"
  "System Halted"

I am running Dos kermit 3.13. Is there a newer version? Is there
a faq that discusses these issues?

Thanks.


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From: Emmanuel Koku <ekoku@epas.utoronto.ca>
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Hallo, I'd be very grateful if I could get help on how to turn off the 
speaker/ or minimize the noice that comes from the speakers when 
connecting to a server by modem.  I've looked at the modem software and 
turned the speakers off.  Yes, the speaker doesn't work when I'm using 
the software's terminal and dialing out.  All these is done under 
windows.  However, when I switch to dos and dial through the kermit 
software, the noice just wakes my family up.  Any help?.  Sincerely, 
Emmanuel.

 a plot of sin(x) to my local machine, I was thrilled to
watch the graph appear on my VGA color monitor like magic.
	
	I would love to know how to use the Tek4010 mode for other
purposes.  However, my University computing services help desk
suggested that 
	1.  Tektronix terminal are a deadend technology. (I'm probably
paraphrasing grossly.)
	2.  Tek emulators do not display useful graphical formats
likes gif , jpg, postscript, etc.
	3.  I should set up a PPP connection with the University servers.

	Can anyone suggest their favorite uses for the tek emulator
(which are not acheivable with the vt100 emulator)? 

	I just read "Using MS-DOS Kermit" by C. Gianone, 1st edition,
which I found to be a beautiful book, but it does not cover this point
too deeply.


		Thanks,
			Alexander Ng



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Is it in any way possible to log and reuse previously given commands at
the MS-Kermit>-prompt? What I would like is something like the doskey
usage in DOS: Just press up-arrow until the old command is there, and
edit and press Enter.
Thanks in advance,
Lars Vangsgaard <lav@ko.hhs.dk>


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This is with MSK 3.14 patch level 9.

I have a login script that prompts for a password with ask and
later uses output to send the password at the appropriate time.
Pretty standard stuff.  My problem is that occasionally the password
has a character that is somehow special to MSK.  The trouble first
came to light with a leading @ character.  If, say, \%p is @blah,
the statement

   output \%p\13

looks for an indirect file named blah.  My solution to this was
to translate @ characters in \%p as follows:

   asg \%p \Freplace(\%p,@,\{64})

This solves the leading @ problem.  Then I got a report from somebody
with a leading ) in their password.  I tried many permutations on curly
bracket quoting and \F functions like \Fcontents but could not come up
with a combination that MSK liked.  I'm willing to admit that I do not
understand MSK's parsing rules but I'm fairly convinced that many of the
combinations I tried were reasonable and produced unreasonable results.
Regardless, I eventually gave up beating my head on the \Freplace function
and looked again at the output function.  To solve the leading @ and )
characters I omitted the \Freplace altogether and changed the output to:

   output {\%p\13}

If you're still reading, you've probably predicted that the above fails
when \%p begins with }.

I'm hoping that someone can tell me I'm being doltish and the solution is
to simply <fill in the blank>.
-- 
 
 Mike Smith                                  mike@ccs.queensu.ca
 Queen's University                          Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA
 Computing and Communications Services       (613) 545-2024

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In article <1995Nov16.161110@kopc.hhs.dk>,
Lars Vangsgaard <lav@ko.hhs.dk> wrote:
: Is it in any way possible to log and reuse previously given commands at
: the MS-Kermit>-prompt? What I would like is something like the doskey
: usage in DOS: Just press up-arrow until the old command is there, and
: edit and press Enter.
: 
C-Kermit and Kermit 95 have this feature, but as yet MS-DOS Kermit does
not.  If you are running it in a window, you should be able to copy and
paste commands that are still visible.  And of course, you can also gather
commonly used commands together into command files or macros for reuse.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Turning Off Dialing Signals.
Date: 17 Nov 1995 14:47:28 GMT
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In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.951116192004.6868A-100000@blues.epas.utoronto.ca>,
Emmanuel Koku  <ekoku@epas.utoronto.ca> wrote:
: Hallo, I'd be very grateful if I could get help on how to turn off the 
: speaker/ or minimize the noice that comes from the speakers when 
: connecting to a server by modem.  I've looked at the modem software and 
: turned the speakers off.  Yes, the speaker doesn't work when I'm using 
: the software's terminal and dialing out.  All these is done under 
: windows.  However, when I switch to dos and dial through the kermit 
: software, the noice just wakes my family up.  Any help?.
:
Follow these steps:

 1. Look in your modem manual to find out the command to turn off the
    speaker.  It is usually something like ATM0.

 2. Give this command to your modem prior to dialing.

If you want the speaker always to be off, then you can add the ATM0
command to your Kermit dialing script, or (if you modem allows this), you
can save the modem's configuration after turning off the speaker -- the
method for this depends on your modem (again, look in your modem manual).

- Frank

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In article <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu>,
Alexander Ng <ang@math.rutgers.edu> wrote:
: How can I profitably use Tektronix emulation mode on MS-DOS Kermit?  I
: got a copy of the program at my university and use it on my 386SX with
: 6MB RAM.  My modem is 9600bps. I found the VT100 emulation incredibly
: robust.  In reading through the documentation, I discovered that
: graphics terminal emulation is available with Tek4010 mode.
: 
It's actually a bit higher than that -- Tek4014, augmented by VT340 Sixel
graphics capability plus ANSI coloration, all three of which may be freely
intermixed.

: After running Gnuplot remotely on my UNIX server, and sending the output
: of a plot of sin(x) to my local machine, I was thrilled to watch the
: graph appear on my VGA color monitor like magic.
: 	
: I would love to know how to use the Tek4010 mode for other purposes.
: However, my University computing services help desk suggested that:
:
: 1. Tektronix terminal are a deadend technology. (I'm probably
:    paraphrasing grossly.)
: 
That's probably exactly what they said.  This is merely an extension of
the trendy and short-sighted view of many system administrators, Internet
service providers, etc, that text is dead and all the world needs from now
on is a Web browser.

: 2. Tek emulators do not display useful graphical formats
:    likes gif, jpg, postscript, etc.
: 
Tektronix is a compact line-drawing language.  Sixel is a compact bitmap
transmission language.  These languages were designed long ago when
transmission bandwidth was at a premium.  The assumption nowadays is that
bandwidth, CPU power, memory, and disk space are unlimited and no clever
algorithms are needed to conserve them.

: 3. I should set up a PPP connection with the University servers.
: 
: Can anyone suggest their favorite uses for the tek emulator (which are
: not acheivable with the vt100 emulator)?
: 
: I just read "Using MS-DOS Kermit" by C. Gianone, 1st edition, which I
: found to be a beautiful book, but it does not cover this point too
: deeply.
: 
Terminal-oriented graphics languages like Tektronix and Sixel, just like
text-terminal-oriented communications (like Telnet), still have their
place, and I (for one) hope they always will.

Web communication is predominantly one-way.  It's like being spoon-fed
whatever information the Web "content provider" wants you to see.
Terminal-oriented communication is intrinsically interactive -- you
participate actively, you contribute.

While GIF, JPEG, etc, are hot buzzwords today, they are just another way
of showing pictures to you.  Tektronix / Sixel can do that too.  For an
idea of the power of this type of emulation, look at the MS-DOS Kermit
graphics screen shots at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/shots.html

But Tektronix graphics terminals (and emulators) like MS-DOS Kermit are
more than just picture viewers -- they let you engage in interactive
graphics modelling sessions.  I trust that scientists and engineers who
use Kermit in this way will pipe up with concrete examples.  See, for
example, the story about how Kermit's Tektronix emulation was used in the
fight against AIDS in Kermit News #5:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn5.html#england

The idea is that information can flow both ways.  For example, the
application can show a picture and then put up a crosshair cursor, which
you can move about with the mouse or arrow keys, and then send back
coordinates that can be processed by the application, which can then
modify the picture, and so one.

Major serious host-based applications like SAS/Graph come with full
support not only for Tektronix graphics, but for Kermit's specific mix of
Tektronix 4014, Sixel, and ANSI, to produce stunning full-color graphics
like the ones shown in the screen shots.

Using MS-DOS Kermit, you can access these applications in a uniform way
over direct or dialed serial connections, TELNET connections, DECnet CTERM
or LAT connections, and in numerous other ways.  On slow modem
connections, the compact encoding results in surprisingly good
performance.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: How to use TEK4010 emulation profitably
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Alexander Ng (ang@math.rutgers.edu) wrote:
: 	I would love to know how to use the Tek4010 mode for other
: purposes.  However, my University computing services help desk
: suggested that 
: 	1.  Tektronix terminal are a deadend technology. (I'm probably
: paraphrasing grossly.)

X is better, certainly.

: 	2.  Tek emulators do not display useful graphical formats
: likes gif , jpg, postscript, etc.

True.

: 	3.  I should set up a PPP connection with the University servers.

Not a bad idea if your have a capable Windows system.

: 	Can anyone suggest their favorite uses for the tek emulator
: (which are not acheivable with the vt100 emulator)? 

Tektronix remains a very bandwidth efficient means of generating
line graphs, and Kermit can do so promptly even with 8088's over
a 2400 baud modem, and at low cost.

VT100, of course, doesn't generate graphics at all.

X-server software is powerful, but is most often quite sluggish
over modem connections.  Further, most good packages cost
several hunderd dollars.

If you have a 486 with 8 megs of RAM, as your computer center to
supply you with a license for X-server software for your PC.  Get the
PPP software from them while you are at it; you will need it to run
the X.  Don't be surprised if they are unable to meet your request, or
if they try to charge you four hundred dollars.  Don't be disappointed
with poor X server performance running over a modem.

-- 
Rick Matthews                     matthews@wfu.edu            Ham radio:
Wake Forest University            910-759-5340   (Voice)      WA4GSP
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit 5A(191) can I remap the right control key?
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.951112204044.19851A-100000@bronze.coil.com>, "Mark T. Regan" <reganm@coil.com> writes:
> Is there a way to remap the right control key? I would like it to be Enter,
> and the original Enter to be something else (3270 New Line), when I use
> Kermit through a protocol converter. When I use SHOW KEY, the right control
> key doesn't produce any scan code. My PC is an IBM P70 (8573-121), running
> WARP CONNECT.
---------
	There seems to be a spate of questions similar to this and perhaps
one answer will help others.
	The special keys ALT, SHIFT, CONTROL produce nothing by themselves.
They only modify what another key produces. The system Bios reports only
a final result, not the individual key make/break sequences. Thus A/S/C
can change what a reportable key does report, but that's all.
	Yes, the term "scan code" is misleading when referring to what
Kermit terms a raw key code. It's not the make/break stuff but rather a
composite code representing the Bios result plus a look-aside at the
Bios's idea of what special keys were pressed *at the same time*. Nothing
is reported until a reportable key is pressed. (Overloading that reportable
word here, sorry). Maybe I should have used the term "key code" way back
when this material was first being designed.
	You might notice that the Enter key can produce two different codes:
Carriage Return when pressed alone, and Line Feed when used as Control-Enter.
That's built into the Bios. Kermit's SET KEY facility lets one change these
results to be whatever, much as we flip the BackSpace key between sending BS
and DEL for different operating systems.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <48fjt3$3ct@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) writes:
> Could anyone tell me how to make the termainal emulator display 
> characters 128-256 of the ISO Latin 1 set?  I've set the display to 8-bit 
> and terminal character-set to Latin-1 but I still see only the ASCII 
> characters that correspond to (number of the character I expect) - 128 on 
> my screen.  (For example, I get "i" where I would expect "e" with an 
> acute accent.)  When I look at files I've transfered with the type 
> command, I see the IBM graphics character for the character number I 
> expected (in the 128-256 range).  I'm using the VT102 emulation on an XT 
> computer.
> Thanks,
> David Stow
-------------
	A VT102 terminal does not have Latin-1 capabilities, and it is
a 7-bit device. May I suggest you use the VT320 emulation which has it
all. Be sure to say SET DISPLAY 8-BIT to enable reception of all 8 bits.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <1995Nov16.161110@kopc.hhs.dk>, lav@kopc.hhs.dk (Lars Vangsgaard) writes:
> Is it in any way possible to log and reuse previously given commands at
> the MS-Kermit>-prompt? What I would like is something like the doskey
> usage in DOS: Just press up-arrow until the old command is there, and
> edit and press Enter.
> Thanks in advance,
> Lars Vangsgaard <lav@ko.hhs.dk>
---------
	No. A MSK command line can be a long object (1KB) by the time all
string substitutions are finished and thus storing older command lines uses
too much memory.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: How to use TEK4010 emulation profitably
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In article <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu>, ang@math.rutgers.edu (Alexander Ng) writes:
> 	My question is relatively naive, but here goes.
> 
> 	How can I profitably use Tektronix emulation mode on MS-DOS
> Kermit?  I got a copy of the program at my university and use it on my
> 386SX with 6MB RAM.  My modem is 9600bps. I found the VT100 emulation
> incredibly robust.  In reading through the documentation, I discovered
> that graphics terminal emulation is available with Tek4010 mode.
> 	After running Gnuplot remotely on my UNIX server, and sending
> the output of a plot of sin(x) to my local machine, I was thrilled to
> watch the graph appear on my VGA color monitor like magic.
> 	
> 	I would love to know how to use the Tek4010 mode for other
> purposes.  However, my University computing services help desk
> suggested that 
> 	1.  Tektronix terminal are a deadend technology. (I'm probably
> paraphrasing grossly.)

	Well, the terminal hardware is certainly ancient, but the emulation
marches on.

> 	2.  Tek emulators do not display useful graphical formats
> likes gif , jpg, postscript, etc.

	"Useful" is a relative term, and the list above is a PC-trained
person's view of current toys. Ask the scientific establishment, or ask
your Comp Center if they run SAS on the main machinery, or if WordPerfect
is running on one of the Unix or VMS machines.

> 	3.  I should set up a PPP connection with the University servers.
	I don't understand what this has to do with your question to them.
 
> 	Can anyone suggest their favorite uses for the tek emulator
> (which are not acheivable with the vt100 emulator)? 

	Joe D.


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From: "Mark T. Regan" <reganm@coil.com>
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Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit 5A(191) can I remap the right control key?
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On 16 Nov 1995, Joe Doupnik wrote:

> In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.951112204044.19851A-100000@bronze.coil.com>, "Mark T. Regan" <reganm@coil.com> writes:
> > Is there a way to remap the right control key? I would like it to be Enter,
> > and the original Enter to be something else (3270 New Line), when I use
> > Kermit through a protocol converter. When I use SHOW KEY, the right control
> > key doesn't produce any scan code. My PC is an IBM P70 (8573-121), running
> > WARP CONNECT.
> ---------
> 	There seems to be a spate of questions similar to this and perhaps
> one answer will help others.
> 	The special keys ALT, SHIFT, CONTROL produce nothing by themselves.
> They only modify what another key produces. The system Bios reports only
> a final result, not the individual key make/break sequences. Thus A/S/C
> can change what a reportable key does report, but that's all.
> 	Yes, the term "scan code" is misleading when referring to what
> Kermit terms a raw key code. It's not the make/break stuff but rather a
> composite code representing the Bios result plus a look-aside at the
> Bios's idea of what special keys were pressed *at the same time*. Nothing
> is reported until a reportable key is pressed. (Overloading that reportable
> word here, sorry). Maybe I should have used the term "key code" way back
> when this material was first being designed.
> 	You might notice that the Enter key can produce two different codes:
> Carriage Return when pressed alone, and Line Feed when used as Control-Enter.
> That's built into the Bios. Kermit's SET KEY facility lets one change these
> results to be whatever, much as we flip the BackSpace key between sending BS
> and DEL for different operating systems.
> 	Joe D.
> 
Thanks. But are there any utility programs that can force a scan code
to be produced by one of these keys? Since IBM's CM/2 and other 3270
packages allow you to set right control key to enter, I would think that a
utility program could be devised to do the same thing and allow Kermit to
think that it (right control) has a code too.  

=====================================================================
Mark T. Regan                        Internet: reganm@coil.com
Network Specialist                   City:  Reynoldsburg
CTO1    USNR-R (1969-1991)           State: Ohio


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I have a problem!

What is the trick to kermit using polygon files from
a pathworks server to my hard drive. It mlooks like it is
loosing characters - the file is smaller on the C drive.
Lotus doesn't like the file (invalid file type). I think
it has to do with control characters or something??

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks


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I need to telnet to a BBS and upload/download from a SunOS system.  I 
noticed that "kermit" had the capibility to open telnet sessions.  I need 
to use ZModem or YModem-G though.  Somebody told me that there are 
versions of kermit with sz/rz support....is this true? If so, could 
somebody point me in the direction of getting it?  :)

Or, if somebody knows of anyother program (which will run on SunOS) and 
provide the function I need, I would also be very greatfull....

Thanks

ndata@netcom.com

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit problems
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In article <DI5GHF.H3o@mv.mv.com>, lakewood@mv.mv.com (Lakewood Corporation) writes:
> Hi. I was wondering if anyone has experienced either of the following
> messages:
> 
>   "?No room for Take file buffer or Macro Definition"
> 
>   - when downloading a file using a macro.
> 
>   "?Word "^@^@^@^@" is not usable here"
> 
>   - I get when disconnecting (alt-x) from a tcp/ip connection with
>     a unix host. When I try to quit, I get the following message:
> 
>   "Memory Allocation Error"
>   "Cannot Load Command"
>   "System Halted"
> 
> I am running Dos kermit 3.13. Is there a newer version? Is there
> a faq that discusses these issues?
----------
	It does appear that your machine ran out of memory and it has 
memory managment difficulties. We discuss some of the common pitfalls
of memory management in the MSK release notes, but obviously we cannot
cover everything which can happen in this area.
	There is a newer edition of MSK, version 3.14, which you may find
on the permanent Kermit distribution point of kermit.columbia.edu. Once
there cd to kermit/msdos, get the binary file msvibm.zip which is the 
quick-start kit.
	Please try that first, and if the problem persists then tell us
what you did when the error occurred. As much context as possible is useful.
	Joe D.

ading @ and )
> characters I omitted the \Freplace altogether and changed the output to:
> 
>    output {\%p\13}
> 
> If you're still reading, you've probably predicted that the above fails
> when \%p begins with }.
> 
> I'm hoping that someone can tell me I'm being doltish and the solution is
> to simply <fill in the blank>.
> -- 
>  
>  Mike Smith                                  mike@ccs.queensu.ca
>  Queen's University                          Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA
>  Computing and Communications Services       (613) 545-2024
----------
	Mike, I'm embarassed. This kind of problem is inherent when text
substitution occurs. The strings we see above are processed and reprocessed
with substitution material and each time the parser sees the results. Thus
"overloading" characters does cause difficulties as you have demonstrated.
The way around them is typically to use the \number rendition of characters
which are special to Kermit's command line syntax. \number material is
converted by the OUTPUT command and normally is left intact during command
parsing before that.
	The reason for embarassement is mainly that we haven't explained
the subtleties of Kermit command syntax in ways that are easily understood.
A supplementary reason is we ought to do a better job in the parser avoiding
some, not all but some, of these situations. Believe me, substitution in the
command parser is sophisticated to the point where the author (me) has to
take time out to study up on how it works under some conditions. But in
any case MSK's command syntax is stil far easier to deal with than Perl pgms.
	In the cases at hand, the leading @name item is documented and has
been present for years. The example of  out {\%p\13}  is easily cured by
omitting the curly braces shown above, and then the closing curly brace in 
\%p is treated as ordinary text (because there is no opening curly brace
to trigger a search for a closing one).
	Joe D.


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From: Kung YiJi  <93302179@comet.np.ac.sg>
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	Hello, I would like to know if there are any menu-driven 
"phonebook manger" type of kermit script/software/shareware/freeware 
on the net/market? If there are, could anyone please direct me to where I 
can find them.

	Thank you,
	  kung.
    93302179@np.ac.sg
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isons 
on the different protocols.

Thanks,
David Maw
maw@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca


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Hi.

I need a kermit binary / package that will run on a pdp11-23 running
rt11 .  Can anyone in this small world help ???

Thanks in advance.

Please let me know via mail -- <pkelly@ets.net>

Peter Kelly
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Menu-Driven PhoneBook-Manager for Kermit?
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In article <Pine.SV4.3.91.951119220920.20758A-100000-100000-100000-100000-100000@comet.np.ac.sg>,
Kung YiJi   <93302179@comet.np.ac.sg> wrote:
>	Hello, I would like to know if there are any menu-driven 
>"phonebook manger" type of kermit script/software/shareware/freeware 
>on the net/market? If there are, could anyone please direct me to where I 
>can find them.
>
Kermit 95 for Windows 95 and Windows NT comes equipped with a graphical
Dialer that manages a database of all your connections, including all the
relevant settings for each one, and makes your Telnet and dialup connections
for you.  Further information at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <DIDo7y.EAu@ETS.net>, Peter Kelly <pkelly@ETS.net> wrote:
>I need a kermit binary / package that will run on a pdp11-23 running
>rt11 .  Can anyone in this small world help ???
>
Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, files
krt*.* (text).  There are also binaries in kermit/bin/krt*.*.

- Frank

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From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie)
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In article <48eu8a$6u5@math.rutgers.edu>, ang@math.rutgers.edu (Alexander Ng) writes:
> 	My question is relatively naive, but here goes.
> 
> 	How can I profitably use Tektronix emulation mode on MS-DOS
> Kermit?  I got a copy of the program at my university and use it on my
> 386SX with 6MB RAM.  My modem is 9600bps. I found the VT100 emulation
> incredibly robust.  In reading through the documentation, I discovered
> that graphics terminal emulation is available with Tek4010 mode.

FWIW, the reason I like Tek mode is that the protocol is so simple I can
easily keep it in my head. On those rare occasions I need a graph, I can
whip out a Tek graph quickly and easily. I've used it for things like
displaying the interrupt latency of a machine and finding where a
particular trace on a PCB I'm trying to debug goes. In addition to
Kermit's Tek mode, I also use xterm's Tek mode (it can generate a 
postscript plot from a Tek screen) and a couple of real Tek terminals I've
pcked up from the local university's surplus equipment disposal programs
(I have a Tek 4006 and a Tek 4105, but I don't know how to do anything with
the 4105 beyond 4010 mode; I don't have a 4105 manual).
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In article <1995Nov20.104603.67333@cc.usu.edu>,
Roger Ivie <ivie@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
: FWIW, the reason I like Tek mode is that the protocol is so simple I can
: easily keep it in my head. On those rare occasions I need a graph, I can
: whip out a Tek graph quickly and easily. I've used it for things like
: displaying the interrupt latency of a machine and finding where a
: particular trace on a PCB I'm trying to debug goes. In addition to
: Kermit's Tek mode, I also use xterm's Tek mode (it can generate a 
: postscript plot from a Tek screen) ...
:
And with MS-DOS Kermit, you can dump Tek screens in TIFF format, suitable
for import into your favorite graphics package or converter.

- Frank

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From: jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant)
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Hi all,

I am trying to set up Kermit to use TCP on a machine running Windows for 
Workgroups.  W4Wg does _not_ have the TCP stack installed so I am not 
violating Doupnik's Law.  :-)  I am using ODI drivers, ODIPKT and WINPKT.

When Kermit is invoked, it does a bootp request and fails.  The system works 
fine if I leave Windows and do a "net stop".  This is a end user machine, so 
this is not a viable solution.

Also,  it is theoretically possible to run W4Wg TCP and Kermit TCP along side 
of each other by using different IP addresses.  If someone could give me full 
details on this, I would appreciate it.  I am somewhat familiar with ODI 
setups but have never dealt with NDIS.

Thanks,
JamesS

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Hi Melvin, Thanks for your advice. Cheers, Emmanuel

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From: kcambra@netvoyage.net (Keith J. Cambra)
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this is a stupid question but i don't use dos much.
when i go to what i gather is a dos-shell from kermit
i am not able to switch to another directory.
how can i fix this.  has someone set some sort of security?

keith

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From: dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow)
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I posted the question below and I want to thank everyone who replied and 
share the answer in case anyone else has the same problem.

> Could anyone tell me how to make the termainal emulator display 
> characters 128-256 of the ISO Latin 1 set?  I've set the display to 8-bit
> and terminal character-set to Latin-1 but I still see only the ASCII 
> characters that correspond to (number of the character I expect) - 128 on
> my screen.  (For example, I get "i" where I would expect "e" with an 
> acute accent.) When I use the TYPE <filename> command to look at files
> I've transfered with Kermit, I see the IBM graphics character for the
> character number I  expected (in the 128-256 range).  I'm using the VT102
> emulation.
-------------
> 	A VT102 terminal does not have Latin-1 capabilities, and it is
> a 7-bit device. May I suggest you use the VT320 emulation which has it
> all. Be sure to say SET DISPLAY 8-BIT to enable reception of all 8 bits.
>	Joe D.

When I used the VT320 emulation I got the display I wanted.  There is one 
trick I had to use which I'll mention even though it might be specific to 
my computer (Zenith-158) or programs (MS-DOS 3.1 and Kermit 3.0).  If I 
set Kermit to VT320 before I put it into terminal mode for the first time 
(that is, before I have given a CONNECT or REPLAY command), I see the 
8-bit characters when I do put it in terminal mode even if I later change 
the emulation setting to VT102.  If Kermit is set to VT102 the first time 
I use CONNECT or REPLAY, I see only 7-bit characters even if I later change 
the emulation setting to VT320.

David Stow


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From: ibelooze@runet.edu (Ilya)
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Hello.

I am running kermit - I try to transfer files from my account to my personal
machine. Kermit is installed on both machines but I am not sure about
versions.

The problem is that wnen I try to receive a file I get an error I can not
decipher. This is the procedure I go through:

kermit     #on my machine
C-prompt>  set line /dev/tty00  #(I wonder if I have to do this everytime I ran
                                # the program)
C-prompt>  set speed 19200
C-prompt>  connect
atmds=0                         # dial the number

$ kermit -r                     #from my account

  CTRL-/ CTRL-c                 #suspend the kermit session

     At this point I try to run get and receive commands but get errors:

C-Kermit>get na.2
IRE
?Unexpected packet type         #?????
C-Kermit>receive na.2
TNTNTNTN                        #??????

    So what I am doing wrong and what should I be doing instead of these
    commands? I would appreciate any comments via email. Thank you for your 
    time.

==============================================================================
Ilya Beloozerov
email:          ibelooze@runet.edu
talk, finger:   ibelooze@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu
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From: bayers@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (Jim)
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Subject: K95: xmit uuencoded file
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I'm enjoying my copy of K95, but I'm having trouble transmitting
a uuencoded file.

Much of the uuencoded file is translated into different characters.

I've read the manual and have tried setting both the command and 
terminal bytesize to 8.  The parity is off and the character-set is
set to transparent.

The other communications programs I use can do this without any 
trouble.  They use an 8-N-1 connection.

Thanks in advance
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Keith J. Cambra (kcambra@netvoyage.net) wrote:

: when i go to what i gather is a dos-shell from kermit
: i am not able to switch to another directory.

In MS-Kermit 3.14, you get to the dos-shell by typing "push" at
the Kermit command prompt.  You can then change directories.
Type "exit" to return to Kermit.  Kermit passes a few dos commands
such as "dir" to dos without requiring you to switch to the shell -
maybe that made you think you had the full shell capabilities.

--
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Quality Auditing, Quality Manuals, Statistics, ISO-9000 Consulting
helios@swcp.com                        http://www.swcp.com/~helios

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <494u5i$sue@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com>,
Jim <bayers@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> wrote:
>I'm enjoying my copy of K95, but I'm having trouble transmitting
>a uuencoded file.
>
>Much of the uuencoded file is translated into different characters.
>
>I've read the manual and have tried setting both the command and 
>terminal bytesize to 8.  The parity is off and the character-set is
>set to transparent.
>
>The other communications programs I use can do this without any 
>trouble.  They use an 8-N-1 connection.
>
Kermit 95 also uses an 8-N-1 connection by default.  The terminal bytesize
is 8 by default, but that has no bearing on file transfer.

Kermit 95's default file transmission mode is BINARY.  A uuencoded file is
a text file composed of only 7-bit ASCII characters.  When TRANSMIT'ing or
SEND'ing a text file, you should first SET FILE TYPE TEXT.

Also, since TRANSMIT is not an error-checked form of file transfer, make
sure you have an adequate means of flow control.  Buffer overruns could
account for the garbled characters.

- Frank

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In message <48ib1p$1b8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, 
fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:

>Major serious host-based applications like SAS/Graph come with full
>support not only for Tektronix graphics, but for Kermit's specific mix of
>Tektronix 4014, Sixel, and ANSI, to produce stunning full-color graphics
>like the ones shown in the screen shots.

Although you can use SAS/GRAPH with Kermit, you can't use SAS/INSIGHT or
other interactive procedures.  I think this is unfortunate, given the 
cost and speed (or lack thereof) of X emulators, but SAS Tech Support 
told me earlier this year that there are no plans to support interactive
graphics with Kermit. 

---------------------------
Jack Hamilton   jfh@acm.org

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From: gweisz@nilenet.com (Gideon Weisz)
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in the modem initialization script i got with mskermit 3.14,
one item was explained in the accompanying comment by
"modem passes break transparently". the same setting is described
elsewhere as nondestructive/unexpedited (signalling?).

what is this?
and what does it do in kermit/communications processes?

i couldn't find it in the index of Using MS-DOS Kermit
i wonder if i should include it in the init strings for all comm programs
in the future?
thanks,
gideon

gideon weisz                                            oercb
[boulder, colorado]

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: "modem passes break transparently"--function?
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In article <495vh0$lhq@thoth.nilenet.com>, gweisz@nilenet.com (Gideon Weisz) writes:
> in the modem initialization script i got with mskermit 3.14,
> one item was explained in the accompanying comment by
> "modem passes break transparently". the same setting is described
> elsewhere as nondestructive/unexpedited (signalling?).
> 
> what is this?
> and what does it do in kermit/communications processes?
> 
> i couldn't find it in the index of Using MS-DOS Kermit
> i wonder if i should include it in the init strings for all comm programs
> in the future?
> thanks,
> gideon
> 
> gideon weisz                                            oercb
> [boulder, colorado]
---------
	BREAK is a serial communications line term meaning an illegal
character of a particular kind, used to signal the other end that attention
is needed. A stylized BREAK is also provided in Telnet. BREAK can be used
with some remote hosts, but not all, and not all communications equipment
senses it. In short, it's normally not needed.
	Joe D.

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From: pth61267@violet.egr.uh.edu (Phu T Hoang)
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How can i use option Dump Screen on my ms-kermit(3.14) ???
The option Ctrl-End never work for me, don't know why.
Thanks guys. 

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In article <497p8d$nlk@masala.cc.uh.edu>, pth61267@violet.egr.uh.edu (Phu T Hoang) writes:
> How can i use option Dump Screen on my ms-kermit(3.14) ???
> The option Ctrl-End never work for me, don't know why.
> Thanks guys. 
---------
	It works fine. Recall that "End" means the white key on the
numeric keypad, not the grey key on the special cursor area which
is absent on 88-key keyboards.
	You can also use SHOW KEY to see if you have modified the
default key definition.
	Joe D.

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From: gweisz@nilenet.com (Gideon Weisz)
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Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
THE ORIGINAL QUESTION DELETED
: ---------
: 	BREAK is a serial communications line term meaning an illegal
: character of a particular kind, used to signal the other end that attention
: is needed. A stylized BREAK is also provided in Telnet. BREAK can be used
: with some remote hosts, but not all, and not all communications equipment
: senses it. In short, it's normally not needed.
: 	Joe D.


But, Joe, in that case the question is still unanswered: why,
in the modem script that i have, that came with msk3.14,
is the choice made, that instead of the factory default,
one should ask for "nondestructive/unexpedited"
and the comment in the script was
"modem passes break transparently".
why is this preferable here, and would it not be preferable
in other settings?
The fact that "break" is normally not needed doesn't explain
why the mskermit package prefers a setting that is not the default
(in a Sportster, in this case, by the way, but that doesn't seem relevant)
I believe that my entire question remains unanswered, and I would really
like to understand it.
(eg, what's expedited, what's unexpedited, what's the advantage of
transparency versus nontransparency?, and in view of those answers,
why prefer the particular non-default setting?)

I hope this doesn't come across as too sticky. It seems like an interesting
question, and I sure would like to know a little about what I'm doing
in making a particular choice. I assume the original recommendation
in the kermit package had some important rationale, and I would like
to understand it.

Thanks, and sorry to be so windy,
Gideon


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From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax)
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Other than SAS, are there any applications out there (say, in the Unix world)
which use Kermit's Sixel graphics features?

marshall
-- 
                  [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com]

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In article <49a6er$lr5@panix.com>, mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) writes:
> Other than SAS, are there any applications out there (say, in the Unix world)
> which use Kermit's Sixel graphics features?
> 
> marshall
> -- 
>                   [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com]
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Subject: kermit telnet on WFWG??
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I need some help.

What I am trying to accomplish is : use kermit 'telnet' with vt320 over
an existing TCP/IP network.

The configuration is this : I have WFWG 3.11 installed on a machine and
I am running TCP/IP as the protocol.  The network interface is a NE2000
from artisoft.  All works fine there.

What I need to do though is telnet to a UNIX server that has a dedicated
serial connection to a VAX.  So, I figure, all I need to do is telnet in
and 'cu' to the serial port and wamo - I am at the VAX prompt.  Well all
this does work - BUT I need proper keymapping for the VAX.  I have tried
remapping keys with other telnet programs - all failed to work right.  Every
one says kermit will work properly for this - but I need to keep the
existing TCP/IP stack in place too - so that is how I found you.

Can anyone help with this config?? 

Anything would be appreciated - I am despirate!

Thanks, Peter Kelly

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In article <Pine.A32.3.91.951121163445.47443A-100000@ctsc.hkbc.hk>
 (a too-widely-cross-posted article, many groups removed for this followup),
 Fred Leung "Hong Kong Society for the Blind" <hksbfred@ctsc.hkbc.hk> writes:
| 
| Hi everyone,
| 
| I find it difficult for me to upload binary files from my PC to the IBM 
| RISC6000 using Zmodem.  It is perfectly ok doing it another way round.  
| It is also ok to upload ASCII files.  My next option in such a case has 
| been to use Kermit instead of Zmodem; however, the baud rate would be 
| unreasonably slow - 100+ BPS.  My modem is 14.4k and that of the RISC6000 
| is 9.6k.  How to increase the speed, or better still, how to use Zmodem 
| to achieve the transfer, please?
| 
| Fred
| fleung@hkbu.edu.hk

In the world of serial communications, this is one of the all-time
most Frequently Asked Questions.

Alas, this question has received many poor answers.  Most novice
computer users don't understand how many factors make a difference in
successful communication.  A full discussion of the problem is too
large for this space.

For the official Columbia University Kermit advice, point your 
World Wide Web browser at this URL:

   http://www.cc.columbia.edu/kermit/faq-c-zmo.html#faq-c-zmo

-- 
 ...Richard S. Shuford  | "The first to present his case seems right,
 ...shuford@cs.utk.edu  |  till another comes forward and questions him."
 ...Info-Stratus contact|  Proverbs 18:17 NIV

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit telnet on WFWG??
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In article <DInouK.CE3@ETS.net>, pkelly@ETS.net (Peter Kelly) writes:
> I need some help.
> 
> What I am trying to accomplish is : use kermit 'telnet' with vt320 over
> an existing TCP/IP network.
> 
> The configuration is this : I have WFWG 3.11 installed on a machine and
> I am running TCP/IP as the protocol.  The network interface is a NE2000
> from artisoft.  All works fine there.
> 
> What I need to do though is telnet to a UNIX server that has a dedicated
> serial connection to a VAX.  So, I figure, all I need to do is telnet in
> and 'cu' to the serial port and wamo - I am at the VAX prompt.  Well all
> this does work - BUT I need proper keymapping for the VAX.  I have tried
> remapping keys with other telnet programs - all failed to work right.  Every
> one says kermit will work properly for this - but I need to keep the
> existing TCP/IP stack in place too - so that is how I found you.
-----------
	We discuss these situations in the Kermit release notes. To give
only the bottom line here: one may not run two or more TCP/IP stacks over
the same board at the same time. Let's assume that you have avoided this
pit-fall and Kermit successfully connects to your Unix machine.
	CU is a pretty horrid piece of software and it is unrelated to
Kermit. May I recommend using CKermit on the Unix machine and then matters
will progress better. The reason is you need data transparency on the Unix
machine.
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: "modem passes break transparently"--function?
Date: 27 Nov 1995 14:10:30 GMT
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In article <498i21$8eb@thoth.nilenet.com>,
Gideon Weisz <gweisz@nilenet.com> wrote:
: why, in the modem script that i have, that came with msk3.14, is the
: choice made, that instead of the factory default, one should ask for
: "nondestructive/unexpedited" and the comment in the script was "modem
: passes break transparently".  why is this preferable here, and would it
: not be preferable in other settings?
:
Many computers and services do, in fact, need the terminal or terminal
emulator to send the Break signal in order to get their attention.  If
the modem is not configured in this way, it will absorb or act on the
the Break itself, rather than passing it on to the host.

One example of such a host is the IBM mainframe, with which communication
is half-duplex (two-way alternate).  The only way to get its attention
when you do not have permission to transmit is to cause an error -- this
is done by sending a Break.  The error causes an interrupt on the
mainframe side, allowing the application to be interrupted, turn the line
around, or similar action.  Another example is the time-honored
"baud-rate" recognition method used by UNIX.

These and other uses of the Break signal are described in detail in the
Kermit books.

The reason modems have settings concerning how to handle Break is mostly
a consequence of the Hayes patent on the "guard time" around the modem's
escape sequence.  When modem manufacturers stopped incorporating guard
time, they needed to provide a "safe" way of escaping back to the modem's
command processor without dropping the connection, and most of them made
Break (or Long Break) a way to do this -- but of course, that would
prevent you from sending Break to the host.  Thus the setting.

The nice thing about Kermit's dialing scripts is that anybody can change
them if they don't do exactly what you want them to.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Sixel graphics
Date: 27 Nov 1995 14:13:41 GMT
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In article <49a6er$lr5@panix.com>, Marshall G. Flax <mgflax@panix.com> wrote:

> Other than SAS, are there any applications out there (say, in the Unix
> world) which use Kermit's Sixel graphics features?
>
In addition to SAS and host-based WordPerfect, you can also use Kermit's
Sixel display with any other application that has a Sixel driver.  One
example would be the Ghostscript PostScript viewer.

- Frank

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From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit 95 and Caps Lock
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When I have the Caps Lock turned on (standard 101 keyboard) Kermit
95 seems to shift the entire keyboard. Even doing a show key at
the Kermit prompt and pressing '1' results in a '!'. Is this an
oversight on Kermit's part or am I missing something?

-- 
Clive Mitchell                                      Oz Air Warrior
cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au               PID 5029 "Mad Dog"


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit 95 and Caps Lock
Date: 28 Nov 1995 13:43:10 GMT
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In article <49e9kg$39@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au>,
Clive Mitchell <cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> wrote:
>When I have the Caps Lock turned on (standard 101 keyboard) Kermit
>95 seems to shift the entire keyboard. Even doing a show key at
>the Kermit prompt and pressing '1' results in a '!'. Is this an
>oversight on Kermit's part or am I missing something?
>
Neither.  It's a bug in Windows 95.  The Windows APIs that read the
keyboard at the level at which Kermit reads it (in order to get
scan codes) actually return these values.  The same EXE file, when
run on Windows NT, gets proper key values -- that is, Caps Lock is
Caps Lock, not Shift Lock, in NT.

The only way to fix this in Kermit is to change it from a Console
application to full GUI application, which allows us to use a
different set of APIs, which are better supported by Microsoft.  We
are working on that now, for this and other reasons.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95
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In article <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, fahn@arcata.stanford.edu (Paul Fahn) writes:
> I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem
> with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. 
> Then I quit kermit. Then I try to use Kermit again and it doesn't 
> work -- it doesn't communicate with the modem. In fact, after I use
> kermit once, I cannot use *any* modem software at all. The computer
> does not communicate with the modem properly after the first use 
> of kermit. 
-----------
	It could be the modem is peculiar (lots are these days) or more 
likely that another object in Win95 thinks it owns that serial port. Some
work with the Control Panel and Win95 in general is suggested. Don't forget
to check for IRQ and i/o port conflicts, despite what Plug and Play blurbs
say. Kermit is going through the Win95 serial port handler and the symptoms
you report suggest the problem is somewhere in the Win95 material.
        Joe D.

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From: fahn@arcata.stanford.edu (Paul Fahn)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95
Date: 28 Nov 1995 00:56:10 GMT
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I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem
with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. 
Then I quit kermit. Then I try to use Kermit again and it doesn't 
work -- it doesn't communicate with the modem. In fact, after I use
kermit once, I cannot use *any* modem software at all. The computer
does not communicate with the modem properly after the first use 
of kermit. 

Any ideas?

Paul

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In article <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, fahn@arcata.stanford.edu (Paul Fahn)
says:

>I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem
>with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine.
>Then I quit kermit. Then I try to use Kermit again and it doesn't
>work -- it doesn't communicate with the modem. In fact, after I use
>kermit once, I cannot use *any* modem software at all. The computer
>does not communicate with the modem properly after the first use
>of kermit.

>Any ideas?
This may not have anything to do with Windows 95. When MS-Kermit exits
it does not drop the phone connection (a very nice feature which allows
MS-Kermit to be used as a dialer for TCP/IP services). That is, are
you sure the modem is hung up? Using only the MS-Kermit hangup subcommand
is dependent on the modem's DTR setting. Suggest you make certain the modem
is hung up by: 1) Logging off your host computer normally.
                  This may or may not render a modem NO CARRIER message.
                  If it does, you're done. If not, go to Step 2.
               2) While still at the MS-Kermit host screen, issue the
                  modem escape sequence (default is +++, ASCII 43 in
                  modem register 2). After typing this 3-character
                  escape sequence from the host screen, you should see
                  the response OK; now issue ATH (modem hangup).
Then try using COM port again.

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From: stuart@psd.com.au (Stuart Park)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95
Date: 29 Nov 1995 02:36:58 GMT
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Paul Fahn (fahn@arcata.stanford.edu) wrote:
: I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem
: with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. 
(etc...)

Actually this is related to a question I was going to ask..
And that is.. is there a win95-specific version of Kermit either
available or being developed?  (or even a windows-specific version..
rather than just a msdos version that happens to run under windows)


--
Stuart Park                             Melbourne, Australia
Senior Analyst/Programmer               E-mail: stuart@psd.com.au
Prometheus Software

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95
Date: 29 Nov 1995 14:01:26 GMT
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In article <49gh0a$1gt@psdcomms.psd.com.au>,
Stuart Park <stuart@psd.com.au> wrote:
: Paul Fahn (fahn@arcata.stanford.edu) wrote:
: : I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem
: : with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. 
: (etc...)
: 
: Actually this is related to a question I was going to ask..
: And that is.. is there a win95-specific version of Kermit either
: available or being developed?  (or even a windows-specific version..
: rather than just a msdos version that happens to run under windows)
: 
Indeed there is a Windows 95 version -- Kermit 95.  Developed specifically
for Windows 95, it is a fully native, 32-bit, multithread serial
communications program and Winsock Telnet client with VT320/220/102/100/52
and ANSI terminal emulation and all the features you would expect in
Kermit software, plus more than a few you would not expect.  Full info at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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Subject: Problems with K95
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I have several problems with the brand new Kermit 95.

I bought Kermit 95 from the Kermit Distribution and have updated to
ver. 1.1.1. 

I use Kermit 95 on a system with Windows NT 3.51 SP2:

Hardware:
Mainbord:             ASUS PVI-486SP3 BIOS 0207, 486DX, 32MB RAM,
Hostadapter:          Adaptec 2940
SCSI harddisks:       IBM DPES 31080S and Quantum LP270S
Graphic card:         Mach 64 Turbo VLB
Serial communication: On-board SMC37C665GT Multi-I/O chip on COM2
Modem:                ATT DATAport 2001.

My K95CUSTOM.INI contains the lines:

set modem type att-dataport
set port com2
set speed 57600
set dial method Tone
set dial country-code 49
set dial area-code 30
set dial ld-prefix 0
set dial intl-prefix 00
set dial init-string AAATQ0E1X6L0&Q0S78=1S84=0\13
set dial timeout 30
set priority regular
set protocol zmodem
set file download-directory D:\DATA\JVJ\DOWN
set key \1379 \3
set key \2402 \124
set key \2404 \60
set key \2406 \62
define dialin -
  :loop, dial \%1, -
  xif fail { echo Pausing ..., sleep 10, goto loop }, -
  connect

I have problems with my ISP (TU Berlin) in times of heavy load of their
network. I get interruptions at downloading with ZModem with errors as
CRC32 error and subpacket-length error. Often I have to interrupt myself
the download by a hang-up (see below) I assume it is a problem of
flow-control. 

The documentation for Windows Nt says (README.WRI):
 
"25.5 Running Serial Communications Applications:

 For reliable data transfer at the highest baud rate, use communications
 protocols that support end-to-end flow control.

 Serial flow control protocol	Flow control 
 ...
 ZMODEM *)			No 

 *) Some applications allow flow control with ZMODEM. For example,
    you can enable flow control with Procomm Plus 2 by setting the
    Transmit Method to 4K WINDOW." 

Is there a way to set a packet-length/window size in Kermit 95?

Is there a way to resume a download of a file at the point it was
interupted with ZModem? 

Is this done automatically or by a special command?

I have followed the advice to remap the Ctrl-C key code (see my
K95CUSTOM.INI) but Ctrl-C doesn't work as well on a remapped key (but
the remapped <, >,| keys work). 

(Perhaps you wonder why to remap <,>,|. I use a MF101 keyboard with
german key mapping. These characters are on the lacking 102th key of a
german standard MF102 keyboard between the left Shift-key and the Z-key.
So I normally have no <,>,| keys at all) . 

So I have to hang-up if a download with ZModem is impossible! 


What about an error that I get on every dial timeout:

The message I get from Dr. Watson for Windows NT :

An application error has occurred and an application error is being
generated: 

  K95.exe
  Exception: access violation
             (0xc0000005), Address 0x00026a3f

Kermit 95 gives the message:

Dial Failure: No Carrier
Dial Failure:



Your reactions are highly appreciated.

Joachim von Jena

email jvjena@cs.tu-berlin.de

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In article <49hg05$c6s@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>,
Joachim von-Jena <jvjena@cs.tu-berlin.de> wrote:
: I have several problems with the brand new Kermit 95 [1.1.1].
: ...
: My K95CUSTOM.INI contains the lines:
: 
: set modem type att-dataport
: set port com2
: set speed 57600
: set dial method Tone
: set dial country-code 49
: set dial area-code 30
: set dial ld-prefix 0
: set dial intl-prefix 00
: set dial init-string AAATQ0E1X6L0&Q0S78=1S84=0\13
: set dial timeout 30
: set priority regular
: set protocol zmodem
: set file download-directory D:\DATA\JVJ\DOWN
: set key \1379 \3
: set key \2402 \124
: set key \2404 \60
: set key \2406 \62
: define dialin -
:   :loop, dial \%1, -
:   xif fail { echo Pausing ..., sleep 10, goto loop }, -
:   connect
: 
You don't need a macro for this -- you can just SET DIAL RETRIES and
DIAL INTERVAL -- providing Deutsche Telekom does not object :-)

: I have problems with my ISP (TU Berlin) in times of heavy load of their
: network. I get interruptions at downloading with ZModem with errors as
: CRC32 error and subpacket-length error. Often I have to interrupt myself
: the download by a hang-up (see below) I assume it is a problem of
: flow-control. 
: 
And how is your connection with TU-Berlin?  Do you dial into a terminal server
and then make a telnet connection to a UNIX (or other) server?  Or do you
start PPP or SLIP service on the terminal server and then make a Telnet
connection from K-95?  In any case, these problems might be caused by either
a buffer overrun (most likely when uploading) or a timeout (most likely
when downloading).  Maybe even by a malfunctioning terminal server that loses
or scrambles data under conditions of extremely heavy load.

Buffer overruns should be cured by local flow control between each modem
and the device it is directly connected to -- in general this should be
hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control.

:  For reliable data transfer at the highest baud rate, use communications
:  protocols that support end-to-end flow control.
: 
ZMODEM and Kermit both do that.  At the K-95> prompt just do this:

  set protocol zmodem     - or -    set protocol kermit
  set window 1024                   set window 20

Note: In ZMODEM, "window size" is more like "packet length", expressed as
the number of bytes.  In Kermit, "window size" is expressed as the number
of packets.  Another note: The Zmodem window size presently can not be set
in the Dialer.

: Is there a way to resume a download of a file at the point it was
: interupted with ZModem? 
:
Yes (but see below).

: Is this done automatically or by a special command?
: 
You must tell the file sender to resume.  Depending on which ZMODEM software
you are using, this might be a command-line option like "-r".  The file
receiver (Kermit 95) understands this and appends to the partial file rather
than starting a new file.

: I have followed the advice to remap the Ctrl-C key code (see my
: K95CUSTOM.INI) but Ctrl-C doesn't work as well on a remapped key (but
: the remapped <, >,| keys work). 
: 
Whose advice was that?  Note that key mapping is effective only in the
terminal screen, not the command screen.

: So I have to hang-up if a download with ZModem is impossible! 
: 
You can interrupt a Zmodem transfer with Ctrl-C -- at least on a US keyboard.
Kermit 95 returns to its prompt.  The partially received file is kept, so the
file transfer can be resumed.

We don't have access to a German keyboard or driver here, so maybe you can
help us by explaining why you felt that you had to remap Ctrl-C.

In trying to reproduce the problems you are reporting, however, we discovered
that the Zmodem recovery feature failed when a recovery was attempted in the
same session where the original failure occurred.  Thus, as you observed, if
you leave Kermit 95 and start it up again, you can recover the download.

This problem will be fixed in the second patch, which will be available soon,
most likely within a week.

: What about an error that I get on every dial timeout:
: 
: The message I get from Dr. Watson for Windows NT :
: An application error has occurred and an application error is being
: generated: 
:   Exception: access violation
: 
This is very interesting.  We can't reproduce it here on NT 3.50 using Kermit
95 1.1.1.  Dial timeouts work perfectly here, even short ones like yours.
Perhaps you could collect a debug log ("log debug" prior to dialing, which
produces a file called debug.log) and then send it by email it to
kermit-support@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty)
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Is it possible to run C-Kermit on a socket in server mode to
circumvent the overhead introduced by a login shell?  I'm guessing
this would increase file transfer performance.

Andy
--
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Systems Programmer
Physics Computer Network
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From: szgyula@tarkus.pha.jhu.edu (Gyula Szokoly)
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In article <49hp3m$9sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:

>Indeed there is a Windows 95 version -- Kermit 95.  Developed specifically
>for Windows 95, it is a fully native, 32-bit, multithread serial
>communications program and Winsock Telnet client with VT320/220/102/100/52
>and ANSI terminal emulation and all the features you would expect in
>Kermit software, plus more than a few you would not expect.  Full info at:

  Well, all the features I would expect, but not all that I want: what about
Tektronics graphics? Is there anything new on this topic (it's quite important
for us).
  Has anybody seen Kermit-95 in retail stores?

My 2cents,
  Gyula
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From: jamaican@cris.com (Dwight Hugget)
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I am running an older version, what's the most current version of
Kermit for DOS and OS2 available...?

thanks


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In article <49htmf$bsp@news.jhu.edu>,
Gyula Szokoly <szgyula@tarkus.pha.jhu.edu> wrote:
>In article <49hp3m$9sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
>Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:

: >Indeed there is a Windows 95 version -- Kermit 95.  Developed
: >specifically for Windows 95, it is a fully native, 32-bit, multithread
: >serial communications program and Winsock Telnet client with
: >VT320/220/102/100/52 and ANSI terminal emulation and all the features
: >you would expect in Kermit software, plus more than a few you would not
: >expect.  Full info at:
: 
: Well, all the features I would expect, but not all that I want: what
: about Tektronics graphics? Is there anything new on this topic (it's
: quite important for us).
: 
Kermit 95 does not do Tektronix emulation, but that is a high priority for
us.  Oddly enough, there was a recent posting to this group asking "what
good is Tektronix emulation?" (in this age of Web browsers and GIF files).
We'd be interested in hearing why Tek emulation is important at JHU, when
the common wisdom seems to be that it is "obsolete".

: Has anybody seen Kermit-95 in retail stores?
: 
It has not made it into the chains yet.  There is evidently a chicken-
and-egg situation in which the stores must first be convinced there is
a demand for it.  Anybody who wants to help out with this is welcome to
look at our Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

for the contact info of the distributor, and then ask their local software
retailer to contact the distributor for stock.

- Frank

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In article <DItJy2.5M0@physics.purdue.edu>,
Andrew J. Korty <korty@london.physics.purdue.edu> wrote:
>Is it possible to run C-Kermit on a socket in server mode to
>circumvent the overhead introduced by a login shell?  I'm guessing
>this would increase file transfer performance.
>
Windows 95, Windows NT, OS/2: Yes.

Other operating systems (UNIX, VMS, etc): Not yet.

It's more difficult to implement this on multiuser operating
systems, because of authentication and security issues.  

- Frank

