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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: what's the current version of Kermit
Date: 30 Nov 1995 17:51:00 GMT
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In article <49jl38$b85@spectator.cris.com>,
Dwight Hugget <jamaican@cris.com> wrote:
>I am running an older version, what's the most current version of
>Kermit for DOS and OS2 available...?
>
From our FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

2 WHAT IS THE CURRENT VERSION OF KERMIT?

Kermit 95 Windows 95 and NT:        1.1.1         Nov 14 95
MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows:  3.14          May 21 95  PL9
C-Kermit for UNIX, VMS, VOS, etc:   5A(190)       Oct  4 94
C-Kermit for OS/2:                  5A(191)       Apr 24 95
Mac Kermit (NOT A REAL RELEASE):    0.991(190)    Aug 94
IBM Mainframe Kermit:               4.3.1         Feb 95

- Frank

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From: mrizquie@eos.ncsu.edu (Mike Izquierdo)
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Can I run kermit over TCP/IP remotely using Trumpet Winsock 2.1 F?

Mike
*----------------------------------------------------*
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In article <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>,
Mike Izquierdo <mrizquie@eos.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>Can I run kermit over TCP/IP remotely using Trumpet Winsock 2.1 F?
>
Kermit 95 will work over the new 32-bit Trumpet Winsock as soon as the
next patch (1.1.2) is issued, hopefully this coming week.

- Frank

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From: Jeff Heim <jheim@mitre.org>
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Subject: set speed 57600
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I'm trying to live dangerously and transfer
a file at 57600 over a Microcom 28.8 modem.
I'm using c-kermit 5a(190) on an Alpha running
VMS but when I do the kermit set speed command
I get: ?No keywords match - 57600.  

I've set the local terminal speed to 57600
and can get connected to the remote computer
at the higher baud rate outside of kermit.

Is there anything I can do to try the higher
baud rate?

A side note.  Kermit works fine at 38400 and
I get decent performance (~2300 CPS, 59% efficiency)
using 1 window and 3000 byte packet length transfering
a large (900,000 byte) binary file.  However, when I use
more than 1 window performance gets really bad (13% efficiency,
480 CPS)

I'm happy with the 38400 performance, but wouldn't mind
trying the higher speed...  BTW - I think Kermit is wonderful
and I did BUY THE BOOK.  I also checked the FAQ.

Jeff Heim
The Mitre Corporation



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In article <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, mrizquie@eos.ncsu.edu (Mike Izquierdo) writes:
> Can I run kermit over TCP/IP remotely using Trumpet Winsock 2.1 F?
> 
> Mike
> *----------------------------------------------------*
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> | NC State University        (919) 515-5348          |
> | Center for Advanced Computing and Communication    |
> *----------------------------------------------------*
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Michael,
	I thought the job location would have given the answer.
MS-DOS Kermit is a DOS program, not a pure Windows program. Only
pure Windows programs can directly couple to winsock TCP/IP stacks.
MSK has its own internal TCP/IP stack which, as explained at length
in the MSK docs, can be used within Windows, but one may not have
two or more such stacks at one time. Just unload the winsock guy
and go for it.
	Joe D.

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I am new to this list.  This question might have been asked before.
  But How can I start downloading automatically, something like:

Right now I have to do it this way:

1. C-Kermit> send file
2. Alt-x
3. MS-Kermit> receive

Is it possible that I can simply do step 1 and Kermit will do the
receiving for me?  I am using Kermit 3.14 for DOS.  Thanks.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <49i3ru$37t@linus.mitre.org>, Jeff Heim  <jheim@mitre.org> wrote:
: I'm trying to live dangerously and transfer
: a file at 57600 over a Microcom 28.8 modem.
: I'm using c-kermit 5a(190) on an Alpha running
: VMS but when I do the kermit set speed command
: I get: ?No keywords match - 57600.  
: 
Are you dialing out from VMS or dialing into it?
If you are dialing into it, this should not be an
issue.

: I've set the local terminal speed to 57600
: and can get connected to the remote computer
: at the higher baud rate outside of kermit.
: 
: Is there anything I can do to try the higher
: baud rate?
: 
Let's assume you are dialing out from VMS.  In that
case, the problem is that C-Kermit does not believe
that VMS supports 57600 bps as a valid speed.  In fact,
until recently, VMS did not support any speeds above
19200.  Nor did it support RTS/CTS flow control.

What happens if you do this? --

Before starting Kermit, tell VMS to:

  set term txa2 /speed=57600 /perm

Then start Kermit, type "show comm" and see what it says
about the speed.

: A side note.  Kermit works fine at 38400 and
: I get decent performance (~2300 CPS, 59% efficiency)
: using 1 window and 3000 byte packet length transfering
: a large (900,000 byte) binary file.  However, when I use
: more than 1 window performance gets really bad (13% efficiency,
: 480 CPS)
: 
That's no doubt because of buffering and flow control deficiencies
in your setup -- the terminal server and/or VMS itself.  Buffering
can be improved in SYSGEN or AUTOGEN.  See the CKVINS.DOC file for
lots of information about this.

Until you beef up the VMS and/or terminal server configuration,
you're not going to get better performance no matter what your
communication speed is.

: I'm happy with the 38400 performance, but wouldn't mind
: trying the higher speed...  BTW - I think Kermit is wonderful
: and I did BUY THE BOOK.  I also checked the FAQ.
: 
Thanks * 2.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <BZHANG.95Nov30080403@uhunix2.its.Hawaii.Edu>,
Bin Zhang <bzhang@uhunix2.its.Hawaii.Edu> wrote:
: I am new to this list.  This question might have been asked before.
:   But How can I start downloading automatically, something like:
: 
: Right now I have to do it this way:
: 
: 1. C-Kermit> send file
: 2. Alt-x
: 3. MS-Kermit> receive
: 
: Is it possible that I can simply do step 1 and Kermit will do the
: receiving for me?  I am using Kermit 3.14 for DOS.  Thanks.
: 
Look in your Kermit directory at the file KERMIT.UPD and read 
section 10, "The APC Escape Sequence".

By the way, Kermit 95 (for Windows 95 and NT) also detects incoming
Kermit or Zmodem packets during terminal emulation and switches into
receive mode (using the appropriate protocol) automatically, and back
to connect mode when the transfer is done.

- Frank

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From: Eric Deutsch <deutsch@astro.washington.edu>
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Subject: Ymodem receive through kermit
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Hello all, I'm trying to write a script which automatically downloads
files from a machine on a terminal server.  Due to bad luck, the machine is
only capable of using the Ymodem protocol, so I'm trying to get kermit to
download with Ymodem protocol.  First of all, I am using:

C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD)

Now, with the kermit distribution came a file called ckurzsz.ini which
supposedly will do what I want.  It allows XYZmodem transfers with the
following caveat:

; It is assumed that sx, rx, sb, rb, sz, and rz are in your UNIX PATH, and
; that they are the pre-1989 versions that allow their standard input and
; output to be redirected.

I do have rb in my $PATH, but it appears to be vintage:

rb 3.17 10-30-91 for V7/BSD by Chuck Forsberg, Omen Technology INC

Needless to say, the transfers are not working for me, and I suspect this
is the reason (but I'm certainly not sure!).  When the run rb, I get:

C-Kermit>rb
rb ready. Type "sb file ..." to your modem program
?Command exit status: 1

So finally for the questions: has anyone used these XYZmodem macros and
programs through kermit successfully?  or does anyone have some
"pre-1989 version" of `rb` for a Sun4 that I might use (or know how to
get it)?  or does anyone have a suggestions of how I can write a script
which allows me to telnet someplace and receive a Ymodem transfer, or
any other wisdom about what might be going wrong?  kermit seems to have
solved all other problems but this one...  any ideas?

thanks,
Eric

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Dear Kermit folks...

I have a blurb about screen scrapers that will manipulate vt100 accounts
on a vax using something called HLL API, High Level Language API.

Will Kermit use it?  Or, is there something that Kermit can use to put
menus, etc onto a vt100 interface a la screen scraper?

The goal is to let Ingres data entry screens look like windows. Sigh...
point and click, etc.

Jim

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stuart@psd.com.au (Stuart Park) wrote:

>Paul Fahn (fahn@arcata.stanford.edu) wrote:
>: I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem
>: with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. 
>(etc...)

>Actually this is related to a question I was going to ask..
>And that is.. is there a win95-specific version of Kermit either
>available or being developed?  (or even a windows-specific version..
>rather than just a msdos version that happens to run under windows)

Actually there is a Win95 version. It's called Kermit'95 (K'95). Have
a look at Kermit's homepage (http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html).
Unfortunately it's the first Kermit version,that's no longer available
for free (~57$).

Greetings

Ingo
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Screenscrapers, HLL API, ???
Date: 2 Dec 1995 00:24:03 GMT
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In article <1995Nov29.123706.1802@gems.vcu.edu>,
Brainwave Surfer <agnew@gems.vcu.edu> wrote:
: I have a blurb about screen scrapers that will manipulate vt100 accounts
: on a vax using something called HLL API, High Level Language API.
: 
: Will Kermit use it?  Or, is there something that Kermit can use to put
: menus, etc onto a vt100 interface a la screen scraper?
: 
: The goal is to let Ingres data entry screens look like windows. Sigh...
: point and click, etc.
: 
Long question, short answer: no.  You'll need to buy one of those high-
priced commercial screen scrapers -- they are kind of a specialty item
and don't come cheap.  Alternatively, you could point out to your users
that it really isn't so very hard to use Ingres menus -- especially
after finding out what the screen scraper would cost, and the horrible
consequences that always ensue from using this approach when, later,
after the ones who put it together are long gone, the underlying (scraped)
screens change format and nobody's once "seamless" applications work any
more and nobody knows why...  Well maybe the answer wasn't so short...

- Frank

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From: deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng)
Subject: K95 installation
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Hi everybody, I just received a K95 package and had some trouble to install
it properly. On one PC which has a floppy disk upgraded W95, I used add/remove
to install K95 but when K95 is running, all W95 windows and task bar disappeared
and It looks like a DOS kermit. I tried to get the patch from BBS but can
not find it in download area. I do not know how to start another ftp session
because I can not use W95 in K95. I think there must be a file K95 uses but
was not installed in W95. Please help me.

Another problem is that K95 can not initialize the internal modem and bounce
me to the manual mode every time (I tried heyes 2400 and usr). PCANYWHERE
dislays the working initialization commands but I need some help to find a 
proper place to put them in for K95.

I also tried K95 on anothe PC with preinstalled W95 and it worked fine. But 
when I tried to use ftp or telnet in K95 through a ppp connection established
by Trumpet (16 bit), it always brings up the Dial-Up networking window if
DialUp binds to TCP/IP or simplly fail if Dial Up is unbound to TCP/IP. 
Trumpet is used because I hope I can set the PC to answer the
calls rather than dialup. 

Thank you for your help.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <BZHANG.95Nov30080403@uhunix2.its.Hawaii.Edu>, bzhang@uhunix2.its.Hawaii.Edu (Bin Zhang) writes:
> I am new to this list.  This question might have been asked before.
>   But How can I start downloading automatically, something like:
> 
> Right now I have to do it this way:
> 
> 1. C-Kermit> send file
> 2. Alt-x
> 3. MS-Kermit> receive
> 
> Is it possible that I can simply do step 1 and Kermit will do the
> receiving for me?  I am using Kermit 3.14 for DOS.  Thanks.
---------
	The easiest approach is this way:
	1. C-Kermit> server
	2. Alt-x
	3. MS-Kermit> get filename  or  send filename

	That gives you more flexibility. "filename" can contain wild cards
to deal with a group of files. These commands are explained well in the user's
manuals, the books "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C-Kermit." Try typing HELP
at the MSK command prompt and see the book reference.
	There are more advanced techniques but I think they are best left
alone until you feel comfortable with standard ones.
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <DIx0vn.7wJ@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>,
Hua Deng <deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> wrote:
: Hi everybody, I just received a K95 package and had some trouble to
: install it properly. On one PC which has a floppy disk upgraded W95, I
: used add/remove to install K95 but when K95 is running, all W95 windows
: and task bar disappeared and It looks like a DOS kermit.
:
Instead of using add/remove to install it, please just run the setup
program direct from the diskette.

The Kermit 95 terminal/command screen runs in a Windows 95 console window.
Do you have your console windows configured for full screen?

Directions for obtaining the 1.1.1 patch were posted to this list a while
back; they are reproduced below.

: Another problem is that K95 can not initialize the internal modem and
: bounce me to the manual mode every time (I tried heyes 2400 and
: usr). PCANYWHERE dislays the working initialization commands but I need
: some help to find a proper place to put them in for K95.
: 
What kind of modem do you have?  What kind of modem did you tell Kermit
that you have?  Did you read the file DOCS\MODEMS.DOC?  It explains how to
alter modem configurations and add new modems.

: I also tried K95 on anothe PC with preinstalled W95 and it worked
: fine. But when I tried to use ftp or telnet in K95 through a ppp
: connection established by Trumpet (16 bit), it always brings up the
: Dial-Up networking window if DialUp binds to TCP/IP or simplly fail if
: Dial Up is unbound to TCP/IP.  Trumpet is used because I hope I can set
: the PC to answer the calls rather than dialup.
: 
Kermit 95 presently does not work with Trumpet Winsock.  Version 1.1.2,
which will be announced shortly (as a patch) should address this problem
but only for the new 32-bit Winsock.  Kermit 95 does not interface with
any 16-bit Winsock package.

Patch 1:

Version 1.1.1 of Kermit 95, available to current users of Kermit 95 as a
patch: You may download the patch from our BBS or you can ftp in binary
mode from the Internet Kermit archive:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/*

To apply Patch Number 1:

 . Make a backup copy of your Kermit 95 directory.  This is not only a
   safety precaution in case something goes wrong (it shouldn't), but also
   because future patches might have to be applied to the 1.1 base version.

 . Ftp the following files to your PC's Kermit 95 directory in
   binary mode:

     w110-111.rtp
     w110-111.rtd
     patch.exe

 . While cd'd to your Kermit 95 directory, type the following command:

     patch w110-111.rtp

 . Check afterwards that your K95DIAL.EXE and K95.EXE files operate correctly,
   that the bugs mentioned above are fixed, and that none of the files that
   you might have customized (such as K95CUSTOM.INI or DIALUSR.DAT) have been
   altered.

After applying the patch, read the BUGS.DOC file for details about the bugs
that were fixed by this patch, and known problems that are still outstanding,
as well as some frequently asked questions (and answers).

- Frank

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In article <49l9kc$t6f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

   In article <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>,
   Mike Izquierdo <mrizquie@eos.ncsu.edu> wrote:
   >Can I run kermit over TCP/IP remotely using Trumpet Winsock 2.1 F?
   >
   Kermit 95 will work over the new 32-bit Trumpet Winsock as soon as the
   next patch (1.1.2) is issued, hopefully this coming week.

You mean the next patch to K95, right?  Just clarifying.
-- 
Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan                               huggins@umich.edu
"You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is."
(PGP key available upon request)                             W. Bingham Hunter

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In article <HUGGINS.95Dec1101548@tarski.eecs.umich.edu>,
James K. Huggins <huggins@tarski.eecs.umich.edu> wrote:
:In article <49l9kc$t6f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
:
: In article <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>,
: Mike Izquierdo <mrizquie@eos.ncsu.edu> wrote:
: > Can I run kermit over TCP/IP remotely using Trumpet Winsock 2.1 F?
: >
: Kermit 95 will work over the new 32-bit Trumpet Winsock as soon as the
: next patch (1.1.2) is issued, hopefully this coming week.
:
:You mean the next patch to K95, right?  Just clarifying.
:
Right.

- Frank

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In yesterday's message, I described the two pairs of DEC VT control sequences
for sending screen output to a slave printer. I thought at the time that one is
a text- or "cooked-" mode, the other a binary- or "raw-" mode. Well, this is
incorrect; at least for authentic DEC dumb terminals it is. How do I know? Like
this: I read DEC's "VT 220 Programmer Pocket Guide", first, 1983. In there I
found out that "Auto print" (the ESC [ ? 5 i ; ESC [ ? 4 i pair) prints a line
and a CR AFTER it has echoed on the screen. The "Printer controller mode" (the
ESC [ 5 i ; ESC [ 4 i pair) prints characters WITHOUT displaying them on the
screen. But it is not a binary mode. NUL, XON, XOFF and CSI 5 i ; CSI 4 i (the
eight-bit version of the seven-bit pair just quoted) don't get sent! Therefore
I can't use it to download binary files.
        It appears to me that the terminal, not the host, is responsible for
this. And when I run Kermit 3.0, its imitation of a VT causes nulls (ASCII 0)
to get lost; indeed it alters the data more than a real DEC VT does, according
to a comparison of its behaviour with the specs quoted on p. 28 of the Guide.
        But the KERMIT.BWR file that accompanies Kermit 3.14 claims that the
"controller" mode prints transparently: ALL characters go the printer so long
as Parity is set to NONE. If this be true, then Kermit 3.14 and 3.0 are not
alike in this respect! (And this file got the purpose of the on/off sequences
backwards...)
        Is there a newer control pair, perhaps introduced with VT340 & up, that
sends all characters unchanged to the slave printer? Please note that VT ser-
vices "Print cursor line, Print screen" are useless to me here.
        Or do you know for a fact that Kermit 3.14 doesn't mess up its print-
only input by changing nulls etc?
        If the answer to both these questions is "no", then somehow telling
VTWWW to download its current file with the CKermit "SEND" command is the only
way to capture it to local disk. Either that or using a term type acceptable to
the host, WYSE maybe, that can actually do transparent printing. Because the
"LOG SESSION" option, which IS transparent, will be stymied by the fact that the
binary file will be scrolled to, and stuck on, the screen. Any suggestions?

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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By the very definition of VTxxx Controller-Print and Auto-Print modes
they are not transparent.  Controller-Print sends most data to the printer
but not all.  Auto-Print copies the current terminal line to the printer
after a LF or VT.

The notion of using the print mechanisms as a way of performing Binary file
transfers is not well thought out.  It might work assuming that you have
a perfectly clean line.  But then you would not be going through any terminal
servers, telnet sessions, ....

Even in that case you still have to worry about flow control, and hope that
no data is lost along the way.  A straight print dump gives you no way to 
verify that the data is complete.

---

If you want to perform file transfers, use a file transfer protocol.

If you can convince your Web-Browser to auto-print a downloaded file, then
it should be trivial to convince it to auto-transfer a file using Kermit's
APC mechanisms.


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
               * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 11025 * (212) 854-1344
  C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html
  Kermit 95 for Windows 95 :   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

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In article <3DEC95.04190434@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, vogt12@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:
> A few years ago I bought MS-Kermit 3.0 complete with the book "Using MS-DOS
> Kermit", first edition, 1990. I use it to connect with DEC & IBM mainframes and
> I only run DOS 3.3; so that after I created some "take" files with ample defi-
> nitions for DEC VT & IBM 3270 special keys (I still don't know all of 'em!),
> this version of Kermit has always met all my needs. Until now:
>         One of two VT-type Web-browsers on the VMS-running VAX here goes by the
> name of "VTWWW". This is its name as defined in a DCL global symbol. Its real
> name may be something else. Any guesses? That symbol disappeared yesterday, and
> I might find this Web-browser's directory if I know its real name. Unlike Lynx,
> it uses typed numbers instead of the right-arrow key to follow a link. Anyway,
> it has a very convenient feature provided your Kermit is new enough to exploit
> it. (Mine isn't.) It gives you the option of printing via CKermit the current
> file on your PC's printer. You don't have to do anything to make this happen!
> It just happens, and the screen continues to display the host session. Further-
> more, if you escape and issue "SET PRINTER file.nam" to the local Kermit, the
> Web-browser's file will go to a DOS file instead of to PRN.
>         But my 3.0 Kermit lacks the SET PRINTER feature. To get around this, I
> installed a TSR, "VPRINT.COM", that hooks Print BIOS Int 17h to redirect print
> jobs to a disk file. Then with Kermit going, I asked VTWWW to "print" an .html
> to my PC. It worked; the .html appeared on my DOS disk as a text file, spaced
> like the original but with no mark-up stuff in it. So far fine. But when I went
> back and tried to bring down a *binary* .ZIP file this way, the job was termi-
> nated after a few (dozen) characters. The incomplete file that turned up on my
> PC when typed looked as it did when it was displayed by the Web-browser on the
> host.
>         I eliminated VPRINT.COM as the cause of the problem. It definitely can
> handle binary files without modifying them in the smallest way if so requested.
> I also compared the short corrupted binary file received with an intact copy.
> The damage is extensive, but I noticed one thing: the printing Kermits change
> nulls (ASCII 0) into CR/LF's (etc). So I tried an experiment: I set the VAX's
> term to "/DEV=UNKNOWN /NOANSI" and the PC's term type to "NONE". The attempt
> failed exactly as before.
>         Reading a newer version of KERMIT.HLP, I think I know how VTWWW initi-
> ates the output to PRN: by issuing the sequence ESC [ ? i 5 to start printing
> and ESC [ ? i 4 to stop. But these are for line-by-line or text-mode printing.
> For binary-mode printing of all characters, the sequences are ESC [ i 5 and
> ESC i 4. Note the absence of the the "?"
>         Do you agree with me that the VTWWW program on the VAX was not set up
> to issue the second control pair and was not even able perhaps to tell a binary
> file from a text one? Or does the problem lie elsewhere, like in a Kermit quirk
> that can only be solved by upgrading from version 3.0 to 3.14?
>         And what is the real name for the VMS Web-browser whose alias is apt to
> be "VTWWW"? Your answers to these questions will be highly appreciated, and
> when I succeed in solving this problem I'll tell you how I did it with your help
>                                                 Yours truly,    Warren
---------------
	CSI ? i 4/5 is definitely the wrong way of printing binary information.
That is DEC's "controller" printing described below. The proper way is 
"transparent" printing CSI i 4/5, also described below. Controller printing
outputs only what you see on the screen, minus all cursor steering and
other material on the comms line, and thus it is text-only. Transparent
printing is suitable for binary information.
	MSK v3.00 is very long in the tooth and I recommend you upgrade to
the current MSK v3.14. It's available by anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
cd kermit/msdos, binary file msvibm.zip is the quick-start kit. Many more
features are present in 3.14.
	Here's the printing detail, from file msvibm.vt.

 CSI Pn i	MC		Printer controls (Media Copy)
			Pn	
			0	Print whole Screen
			4	Exit printer controller (transparent print)
			5	Enter printer controller (transparent print)

Transparent printing sends all output, except the CSI 4 i termination string,
to the printer and not the screen, uses an 8-bit channel if no parity so NUL
and DEL will be seen by the printer and by the termination recognizer code,
and all translation and character set selections are bypassed.

 CSI ? Pn i	MC		DEC Printer controls (Media Copy)
			Pn
			1	Print line containing cursor
			4	Exit autoprint (stop echoing to printer)
			5	Enter autoprint (echo screen chars to printer)

Autoprint prints a final display line only when the cursor is moved off the
line by an autowrap or LF, FF,	or VT (otherwise do not print the line).

	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: RE: Downloading a file directly from the host's Web-browser
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In article <3DEC95.19280521@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, vogt12@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:
> In yesterday's message, I described the two pairs of DEC VT control sequences
> for sending screen output to a slave printer. I thought at the time that one is
> a text- or "cooked-" mode, the other a binary- or "raw-" mode. Well, this is
> incorrect; at least for authentic DEC dumb terminals it is. How do I know? Like
> this: I read DEC's "VT 220 Programmer Pocket Guide", first, 1983. In there I
> found out that "Auto print" (the ESC [ ? 5 i ; ESC [ ? 4 i pair) prints a line
> and a CR AFTER it has echoed on the screen. The "Printer controller mode" (the
> ESC [ 5 i ; ESC [ 4 i pair) prints characters WITHOUT displaying them on the
> screen. But it is not a binary mode. NUL, XON, XOFF and CSI 5 i ; CSI 4 i (the
> eight-bit version of the seven-bit pair just quoted) don't get sent! Therefore
> I can't use it to download binary files.
	<omissions>

	You can do yourself a favor by following my suggestion to pickup the
current issue of MSK v3.14 and putting it to the test. Speculating on what
MSK 3.00 does is of academic interest in this epoch.
	Joe D.

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From: vogt12@meena.cc.uregina.ca
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A few years ago I bought MS-Kermit 3.0 complete with the book "Using MS-DOS
Kermit", first edition, 1990. I use it to connect with DEC & IBM mainframes and
I only run DOS 3.3; so that after I created some "take" files with ample defi-
nitions for DEC VT & IBM 3270 special keys (I still don't know all of 'em!),
this version of Kermit has always met all my needs. Until now:
        One of two VT-type Web-browsers on the VMS-running VAX here goes by the
name of "VTWWW". This is its name as defined in a DCL global symbol. Its real
name may be something else. Any guesses? That symbol disappeared yesterday, and
I might find this Web-browser's directory if I know its real name. Unlike Lynx,
it uses typed numbers instead of the right-arrow key to follow a link. Anyway,
it has a very convenient feature provided your Kermit is new enough to exploit
it. (Mine isn't.) It gives you the option of printing via CKermit the current
file on your PC's printer. You don't have to do anything to make this happen!
It just happens, and the screen continues to display the host session. Further-
more, if you escape and issue "SET PRINTER file.nam" to the local Kermit, the
Web-browser's file will go to a DOS file instead of to PRN.
        But my 3.0 Kermit lacks the SET PRINTER feature. To get around this, I
installed a TSR, "VPRINT.COM", that hooks Print BIOS Int 17h to redirect print
jobs to a disk file. Then with Kermit going, I asked VTWWW to "print" an .html
to my PC. It worked; the .html appeared on my DOS disk as a text file, spaced
like the original but with no mark-up stuff in it. So far fine. But when I went
back and tried to bring down a *binary* .ZIP file this way, the job was termi-
nated after a few (dozen) characters. The incomplete file that turned up on my
PC when typed looked as it did when it was displayed by the Web-browser on the
host.
        I eliminated VPRINT.COM as the cause of the problem. It definitely can
handle binary files without modifying them in the smallest way if so requested.
I also compared the short corrupted binary file received with an intact copy.
The damage is extensive, but I noticed one thing: the printing Kermits change
nulls (ASCII 0) into CR/LF's (etc). So I tried an experiment: I set the VAX's
term to "/DEV=UNKNOWN /NOANSI" and the PC's term type to "NONE". The attempt
failed exactly as before.
        Reading a newer version of KERMIT.HLP, I think I know how VTWWW initi-
ates the output to PRN: by issuing the sequence ESC [ ? i 5 to start printing
and ESC [ ? i 4 to stop. But these are for line-by-line or text-mode printing.
For binary-mode printing of all characters, the sequences are ESC [ i 5 and
ESC i 4. Note the absence of the the "?"
        Do you agree with me that the VTWWW program on the VAX was not set up
to issue the second control pair and was not even able perhaps to tell a binary
file from a text one? Or does the problem lie elsewhere, like in a Kermit quirk
that can only be solved by upgrading from version 3.0 to 3.14?
        And what is the real name for the VMS Web-browser whose alias is apt to
be "VTWWW"? Your answers to these questions will be highly appreciated, and
when I succeed in solving this problem I'll tell you how I did it with your help
                                                Yours truly,    Warren

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From: jjf@inri.com (Josh J Fielek)
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Subject: Kermit libs?
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Are there any production, shareware, whatever, kermit libraries? We
have a need for kermit functionality, but due to process monitoring
needs would prefer to put the functionality into one of our own spec'd
processes. 

J. Fielek
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From: Emmanuel Koku <ekoku@epas.utoronto.ca>
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Subject: Initializing Modem from Kermit Prompt
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Hallo Fellows,  I will be very grateful if someone could help me with 
some stuff on modems.  First, how could I initialize the modem from the 
kermit command prompt?. Any ideas are welcome.  Thanks.

Sincerely, Emmanuel.

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From: John Grimes <jgrimes@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>
Subject: [Q] How to get kermit to dial out via Novell Netware (NAVIS) ?
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Greetings,



bia.edu

Greetings

     The subject says it all.  Novell is version 4.x and 
kermit is version 3.14.  Thanks in advance.

                             John
                             jgrimes@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us

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Subject: Lose connection when going to DOS?
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Hello. 

We have been using Kermit (DOS) for many years.  We use the feature of
exiting back to DOS without losing the connection.  I have an old Compaq
notebook with a Hayes 2400 SmartModem and whenever I exit back to DOS I
can hear the modem hanging up.  Any ideas?

Thanks,

Jamie Ryan
Ottawa

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From: KeithM <kmhouse@halcyon.com>
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Subject: Write-file produces continuous record
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Hello all:
I'm using MS-DOS Kermit, version 3.14 on an IBM PC/AT 486/dx66 clone.
I've written a batch file that executes a kermit script that writes several
messages to a DOS file. These vary depending on what happens within the 
script. After the kermit script is finished and control is returned to 
the batch file, the DOS file is then written to screen.  The kermit verbs
I'm using are OPEN WRITE filename, WRITE FILE some message, WRITE FILE 
another message, CLOSE WRITE-FILE.  

When the file is displayed on the screen, all the lines are run together.  
Does anyone know how to write to a DOS file so that each WRITE FILE 
produces a separate line?

Thanks in advance for any and all help.


'


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <Pine.ULT.3.91.951204131848.1986A-100000@chinook.halcyon.com>,
KeithM  <kmhouse@halcyon.com> wrote:
: I'm using MS-DOS Kermit, version 3.14 on an IBM PC/AT 486/dx66 clone.
: I've written a batch file that executes a kermit script that writes several
: messages to a DOS file. These vary depending on what happens within the 
: script. After the kermit script is finished and control is returned to 
: the batch file, the DOS file is then written to screen.  The kermit verbs
: I'm using are OPEN WRITE filename, WRITE FILE some message, WRITE FILE 
: another message, CLOSE WRITE-FILE.  
: 
: When the file is displayed on the screen, all the lines are run together.  
: Does anyone know how to write to a DOS file so that each WRITE FILE 
: produces a separate line?
: 
Include \13\10 at the end of the string, as explained in "Using MS-DOS
Kermit", page 169.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <Pine.PMDF.3.91.951204165833.541201483B-100000@cnsvax.albany.edu>,
Jon Sykes  <js3150@cnsvax.albany.edu> wrote:
: Does anyone have any experience with writing scripts?
: I would like to write one that connects me up to my VAX account, selects 
: a number from the menu, logs me in, then either a) downloads my email to 
: a text file on my PC and/or b) ftp me a file and download to my pc.
: 
: Another script that would download certain files from a temp directory on my 
: VAX account at certain times of the night, then log out, would be great too.
: 
: Am I just dreaming, or is this possible?
: 
Totally possible.  The Kermit script language, like any other programming
language, is best used in combination with a reference manual, at least until
you become fluent in it.  You'll find tons of examples like the ones you
cite in the manuals "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C-Kermit" as well as in
the script programs that are supplied with MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit.

More about the manuals and the software on our Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

- Frank

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From: VOGTPATR@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA (Warren Vogt)
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Subject: Local printing of Web-browser links. Here's how:
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My experiment with using VT200 codes to send a Web-browser's selected document
to the PC's printer instead of to the screen has yielded the following results,
including a solution of how to force VMS to send those codes when the applica-
tion isn't set up to.
 
Kermit's echo and write screen don't work; they display to the local not the
connect session.
Assigning these codes to a key fails in or out of connect. Using the "output"
statement also fails, because what is Output from Kermit is Input to the host!
VMS "DEFINE /KEY" always fails. In fact it inexplicably cannot be made to do
anything, even though VMS /LOG messages claim otherwise. To replicate its ef-
fect, use Kermit's set key nnn output {VMS command} . And if I'm not mistaken,
the \KudkFn is no help here because its effect is defined for the Kermit, not
the host, prompt. It performs services to Kermit or DOS, not to VMS, I think.
 
No. In order for Kermit to respond to these codes, the host must OUTPUT them
itself! But how do we make it happen? Not all host applications are aware of
this option. VTWWW was one that is. It is gone now and Lynx remains. Fortun-
ately I have taught it how to perform this trick. That is explained in the DCL
program at the end of the letter.
 
If the application, refuses to emit CSI 5 i , CSI 4 i (the eight-bit forms of
on/off), you can assign these values to symbols and have the host output them
with WRITE SYS$OUTPUT symb or TYPE SYS$INPUT <stream> . The procedure at the
end uses the first method. With set key output {WRITE etc.} \13 , it can be as-
signed to a key as if DEC's DEFINE /KEY had done it.
 
By modifying an application's config. file, the procedure can be invoked from
inside it. When that's not possible, do SPAWN WRITE SYS$OUTPUT symb . If it
doesn't permit so short an interruption, you still have a recourse: Type your
modem's escape series & type the codes manually. Here's how it's done with the
seven-bit ones:
     +++
     OK              (says your modem)
     Ctrl-[ [ 5 i    (no spaces. 5 starts 4 stops controlled printing)
     AT O1           (go back to the host. Type commands without seeing them)
 
This method is unreliable. It can put junk in the way of the DCL commands you
enter without your seeing. CLEAR the input buffer first. Then maybe...
 
Here is a procedure for Typing a VMS file and making it appear on your printer
or on your micro's disk if Kermit's SET PRINTER was asked for. Some applica-
tions will use it at your request. How is explained inside.
 
My thanks to John, Frank and Joe for supplementing the information in Christine
Gianone's 1990 (first edition) book with more current advice.
 
------------------------------------CUT HERE-----------------------------------
 
$ ! This program tells the LYNX Web-browser, VMS version, how to send a plain
$ ! or formatted text file that it is referencing to the DEC VT's or PC's
$ ! attached printer instead of to the screen. The VT200 "Printer controller"
$ ! function is 99% transparent to all byte values, but it should not be used
$ ! for binary (executable) files. Download them with Kermit's Send File , Type
$ ! Binary function. -- Written by Warren Vogt on Dec. 4, 1995. Anyone may use.
$ ! To avoid conflict with a program called "lpansi" that can do what this one
$ ! does, this procedure has been given the name PANSY.COM and the following
$ ! enabling line inserted into my copy of the LYNX.CFG file :
$ ! PRINTER:To the printer of a DEC VT or a PC running Kermit:@PANSY %s :TRUE
$ !
$ SET SYMBOL /GENERAL /SCOPE=NOGLOBAL
$ PRNON = "P[5i"
$ PRNON[0,8] = %D27
$ PRNOFF = "P[4i"
$ PRNOFF[0,8] = %D27
$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "The current link, if a text-file, will go to the PC's
printer."
$ INQUIRE DECIDE "Type Y <RET> if your printer or Kermit's SET PRINTER is ready"
$ IF .NOT. DECIDE THEN $ EXIT
$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Printing begins..."
$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$STRING(PRNON)
$ TYPE /NOPAGE 'P1
$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$STRING(PRNOFF)
$ SUMMON = " The document has been printed!BBBB"
$ SUMMON[248,16] = %O3407
$ SUMMON[264,16] = %O3407
$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$STRING(SUMMON)
$ ! WAIT 00:00:13 ! 13 seconds chosen because less is ignored, more is tedious.
$ EXIT

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Write-file produces continuous record
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In article <Pine.ULT.3.91.951204131848.1986A-100000@chinook.halcyon.com>, 
KeithM <kmhouse@halcyon.com> writes:
> Hello all:
> I'm using MS-DOS Kermit, version 3.14 on an IBM PC/AT 486/dx66 clone.
> I've written a batch file that executes a kermit script that writes several
> messages to a DOS file. These vary depending on what happens within the 
> script. After the kermit script is finished and control is returned to 
> the batch file, the DOS file is then written to screen.  The kermit verbs
> I'm using are OPEN WRITE filename, WRITE FILE some message, WRITE FILE 
> another message, CLOSE WRITE-FILE.  
> 
> When the file is displayed on the screen, all the lines are run together.  
> Does anyone know how to write to a DOS file so that each WRITE FILE 
> produces a separate line?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any and all help.
--------
	You add your own CR and LF's. That's \13 and \10, respectively.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [Q] How to get kermit to dial out via Novell Netware (NAVIS) , sorry
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In article <DJ3Ey7.M59@abs.net>, John Grimes <jgrimes@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us> writes:
> Greetings
> 
>      The subject says it all.  Novell is version 4.x and 
> kermit is version 3.14.  Thanks in advance.
> 
>                              John
>                              jgrimes@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us
-----------
	No, Novell is the name of the company. You must mean NetWare v4.what.
This question is well outside the range of the Kermit project. You need to
talk with vendors about remote dialout programs running on NetWare 4.what.
NetWare Connect is one, from Novell.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Initializing Modem from Kermit Prompt
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In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.951204212019.28066A-100000-100000@blues.epas.utoronto.ca>, Emmanuel Koku <ekoku@epas.utoronto.ca> writes:
> Hallo Fellows,  I will be very grateful if someone could help me with 
> some stuff on modems.  First, how could I initialize the modem from the 
> kermit command prompt?. Any ideas are welcome.  Thanks.
> 
> Sincerely, Emmanuel.
------------
	For what kind of machine? A regular DOS PC? If so then please do
have a look at the documentation which comes with MS-DOS Kermit, because
it includes a dialer script to do the work for you. Otherwise, type CONNECT
to enter terminal emulation mode and then type the ATfoobar commands of
choice to your modem. Those AT commands are specific to your modem and
are in its manual. The dialer script issues them too, so have a look at
those Kermit script files (they are text files).
	Joe D.

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From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Server download file status
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Under Windows environment, we are using Kermit's Server to 
receive files from a remote site. Concurrently with executing the 
Kermit server (using a *.pif), another (Windows) application is 
running and is looking to process these downloaded files as soon 
as each file is done downloading.
while Kermit is active which waits until the kermit file is 
received to process the new data.  This application determines 
when kermit is done with receiving the file by trying to open the 
file using exclusive mode, i.e., deny write and read access to 
other applications.  

This data processing application runs fine on two of our three 
PCs but on the third PC the data processing application can open 
the file and even 
delete the file while kermit is still receiving the file.

Is it possible to tell kermit that the file being received can 
not be 
accessed by any other application?  Note, MS Word does this when 
editing 
a file contary to Windows NotePad which allows others to access 
and 
delete a file while being edited.

Thanks in advance,

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Lose connection when going to DOS?
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In article <DJ49M4.7Ir@freenet.carleton.ca>, ad525@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jamie Ryan) writes:
> Hello. 
> 
> We have been using Kermit (DOS) for many years.  We use the feature of
> exiting back to DOS without losing the connection.  I have an old Compaq
> notebook with a Hayes 2400 SmartModem and whenever I exit back to DOS I
> can hear the modem hanging up.  Any ideas?
-----------
	None. Notebooks, especially older notebooks, are strange indeed
and there is no general advice which seems to apply to more than one at
a time. Undoubtedly some part of the machine is monitoring the serial port,
or even being presumptious enough to turn off the modem whenever the primary
Command.com is in charge again. There isn't anything we can do about that, alas.
	Joe D.

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From: kan@blues.epas.utoronto.ca (Raymond Kan)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Using MS-Kermit 3.14 with PPP under WIN 3/95 Possible?
Date: 6 Dec 1995 03:48:57 -0500
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Hi,

	I connect to my mainframe using PPP, and I am not happy with
the Telnet client that comes with Windows 95 and would like to use
Kermit instead (for keyboard mapping and downloading).  However, I
have not been able to this.

	I had made appropriate changes in mscustom.ini and typing
check TCP gives response of TCP/IP is available.  However after typing

	set port tcp/ip hostname
	connect

	and I get an error message of

	Cannot attacj to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver.
	Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting.
	?Cannot start the connection.

	and my PPP connection went dead as well.

	I am wondering what I need to do to get MS-Kermit 3.14 to work
as my Telnet client.  I read the FAQ but that was no discussion of PPP.
Some discussion on SLIP seems to suggest that MS-Kermit is not
supposed to work easily to get TCP/IP under Windows environment.  But
Kermit is my favorite communication program, so any suggestions as to
how I can get it to work would be greatly appreciated.  BTW, OS/2
Kermit works flawlessly under PPP so I think it should also be
possible for MS-Kermit to work under PPP.

	Thanks ahead for all the help.


Raymond Kan
kan@epas.utoronto.ca


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From: Don Hayward <don@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: kermit and rx under linux
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:47:03 -0500
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I am trying to download data from a remote datalogger using a combination of 
c-kermit and rx.  I have only two choices for data transfer protocol, ascii 
dump (no error checking) and xmodem due to software constraints on the data 
logger.  The connection is made and the menu system on the datalogger is 
negotiated reliably.  The menu selection to start the xmodem download gets the 
appropriate response and then I issues this command in the kermit script:

!rx -uvy /weather/weather_log.951206 </dev/cur0 >/dev/cur0 
	2>>/weather/weather_log.log  

(all on one line)

At that point what I see in the log file is:

Receiving: 

rx: ready to receive /root/weather/weather_log.951206
Retry 0: Got 040 sector header

and everything stops.  I have to kill the rx process to get things to continue.

I've tried it without the rx -options -- no difference.
I tried having kermit release the line before the call -- the shell complains 
that the device isn't available and aborts.
I'm running Linux 1.2.11.  Any suggestions will be appreciated.  Thanks.

don

Don Hayward, JAPH
Mote Marine Laboratory		don@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us
1600 Ken Thompson Parkway	Voice: 941.388.4441
Sarasota, FL 34236		Fax: 941.388.4312
We are an independent, non-profit, marine and estuarine 
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From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: Kermit Server File Protection
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We are using Kermit's Server to receive files from a remote 
location via modem. After each file is received another 
application processes the file.  This other application 
determines when to process the file in the Windows 3.11 
environment by trying to open the file with a OF_SHARE_EXCLUSIVE 
style.  So far this method of testing to determine when the file 
being received by kermit is completed has worked on two out of 
three PCs.  

How can one set file protection on a file being received in 
kermit so that no other application can open or delete the file? 
 Note, MS Word does this with the files it opens for editing.

Thanks in Advance,
Rich Godlewsky

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From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty)
Subject: C-Kermit for OS/2 hangs when I hit ^C
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Greetings.  I've asked about this problem before, and was told that
the problem was my serial port driver.  Since then I've decided that
this simply can't be true.  I've tried the newest version of Ray
Gwinn's drivers, and the newest version of the OS/2's own COM.SYS.

The problem is this:  every now and then, when I hit CTRL-C more than
a couple of times in succession while in command mode, C-Kermit
freezes completely.  Nothing can kill it--not even Watchcat.  I've
tried resetting/disconnecting the modem--still nothing.  The only way
to get my serial port back is to reboot.

My roommate has the same problem.  We're both using Warp for Windows 
(red box).

Please help.  I can find no mention of this type of problem in
_Using C-Kermit_.

Andy
--
Andrew J. Korty
Systems Programmer
Physics Computer Network
Purdue University

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Initializing Modem from Kermit Prompt
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Emmanuel Koku (ekoku@epas.utoronto.ca) wrote:

: Hallo Fellows,  I will be very grateful if someone could help me with 
: some stuff on modems.  First, how could I initialize the modem from the 
: kermit command prompt?. Any ideas are welcome.  Thanks.

In my mskermit.ini, I have this line.

define modprog  output AT&F L2 \G1 S7=90 S11=50 S21=56 &W \13

The actual programming valuse were derived over a period of usage, for my
particular modem.
Of course, once you get it set up, there is probably no need to do this on a
regular basis.
-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: kermit for win95 - single byte only?
Date: 6 Dec 1995 22:53:58 GMT
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Does kermit for Win95 support all language versions of Win95 or
is it restricted to English and/or single-byte character set
languages?

Win95 Japanese is my primary concern....

--
Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield,
Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk

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Subject: KERMIT 95: Where to buy?
Date: 6 Dec 1995 20:20:48 GMT
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A question for the world (or anyone on the K95 team): what retail
outlets are supposed to be carrying the new Kermit for Windows?

The announcement of its release posted to the newsgroup indicated 
that the new package ("payware" if you will) would be sold through
normal software distribution channels; this is also indicated by the
KERMIT web page at www.columbia.edu .  It's now been a couple
of months since it was released, and today I was chasing some other
stuff in the local outlets and started asking around.  The results:

 - CompUSA: asked two clerks and the store manager: none of them would
   admit to even knowing what "KERMIT" was, much less having a copy 
   of the new kit.

 - Egghead: recognized the name "Kermit" and even knew that it came
   from Columbia ... but Egghead carries only the book with the
   MS-KERMIT disk.  Calling 1-800-EGGHEAD got the same response

 - Computer City: long hold with unusually lousy Christmas music; just
   before I was ready to hang up they finally answered, but kept 
   trying to believe that I was looking for BBS software.  No Kermit
   titles.

 - PC Connection: never heard of KERMIT, don't carry it.

The web page suggests that Egghead and CompUSA (misspelled, btw) would
be the first to have the kit.

Suggestions?

Joe Morris / MITRE

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Subject: CKermit 5A(186) BETA-8, 7 NOV 92: a question about...
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The VAX/VMS is running this version 5A(186) of C-Kermit. I want to use it to
download a file to my micro. I am at the MS-Kermit prompt of my PC and type
the commands:
                set receive packet 2000
                set send packet 2000
                set set window 3
                set block 2
                set file type binary
I am now ready to receive or get the file from the host. But first, do I have
to go back to the host and issue any of the same "set" commands just shown to
it? Or is it sufficient that my PC know about these settings for them to work?
(It goes without saying that the extra "set" window is a typo!) Thanx, Warren

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Local printing of Web-browser links. Here's how:
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In article <1746BF3E7.VOGTPATR@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA>, VOGTPATR@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA (Warren Vogt) writes:
> My experiment with using VT200 codes to send a Web-browser's selected document
> to the PC's printer instead of to the screen has yielded the following results,
> including a solution of how to force VMS to send those codes when the applica-
> tion isn't set up to.
	To make a long story short, the host must send printer control codes
to the terminal emulator to engage printing. Given the lack of that ability
in your VMS based web browser suggests that you cause it to print to a file
on the VAX/Alpha, and then later use Kermits to send those files to local
PC destination PRN (or LPTx).
	Note that a formal Kermit protocol file transfer is vastly superior
to the approach of "transparent printing" (aka, send and hope it gets there
without overruns/losses/whatnot). SET DESTINATION PRN is the command to direct
files to the local printer rather than to disk.
        Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Using MS-Kermit 3.14 with PPP under WIN 3/95 Possible?
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In article <4a3ldp$aad@blues.epas.utoronto.ca>, kan@blues.epas.utoronto.ca (Raymond Kan) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> 	I connect to my mainframe using PPP, and I am not happy with
> the Telnet client that comes with Windows 95 and would like to use
> Kermit instead (for keyboard mapping and downloading).  However, I
> have not been able to this.
> 
> 	I had made appropriate changes in mscustom.ini and typing
> check TCP gives response of TCP/IP is available.  However after typing
> 
> 	set port tcp/ip hostname
> 	connect
> 
> 	and I get an error message of
> 
> 	Cannot attacj to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver.
> 	Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting.
> 	?Cannot start the connection.
> 
> 	and my PPP connection went dead as well.
> 
> 	I am wondering what I need to do to get MS-Kermit 3.14 to work
> as my Telnet client.  I read the FAQ but that was no discussion of PPP.
> Some discussion on SLIP seems to suggest that MS-Kermit is not
> supposed to work easily to get TCP/IP under Windows environment.  But
> Kermit is my favorite communication program, so any suggestions as to
> how I can get it to work would be greatly appreciated.  BTW, OS/2
> Kermit works flawlessly under PPP so I think it should also be
> possible for MS-Kermit to work under PPP.
--------------
	The message above is accurate: no Ethernet Packet Driver nor an
ODI driver. It could have added a SLIP Packet Driver too.
	PPP is a mess, both within the PPP modules on the market and most
importantly in there being no common API (top layer where programs such
as Kermit can access them). Kermit supports PPP drivers from Novell and
Telebit. That's all I have that work. MERIT's driver has never worked here.
	MS-DOS Kermit has no common ground with Microsoft's "32-bit" networking
material so please save yourself some trouble by not combining them. MSK
works fine with Novell's 16-bit ODI material. Kermit-95 (commercial) works
with Microsoft's TCP/IP stack.
	To use MSK with Win95, and my site does so on a large scale, then
use Novell's VLM style ODI material for lan access, or use a SLIP driver
or use one of the two PPP drivers noted above. Please keep in mind that
only one TCP/IP stack can access a comms channel, so duplicate stacks mean
you are out of luck.
	Finally, your last sentence needs to take into account that those
situations involve using that vendor's native TCP/IP stack. MSK is not a
Windows program (else you would not be able to use it at DOS level) and
thus it does not couple to the Windows-only MS TCP/IP stack.
        Joe D.

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From: Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com>
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Subject: Receive File Protection with Server
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We are currently using Kermit's Server to receive files from a remote 
site.  We also have another application running while Kermit is active 
which waits until the kermit file is received to process the new data.  
This application determines when kermit is down with receiving the file 
by trying to open the file with OF_SHARE_EXCLUSIVE.  

This data processing application runs fine on two of our three PCs but on 
the third PC the data processing application can open the file and even 
delete the file while kermit is still receiving the file.

Is it possible to tell kermit that the file being received can not be 
accessed by any other application?  Note, MS Word does this when editing 
a file contary to Windows NotePad which allows others to access and 
delete a file while being edited.

Thanks in advance,
Rich GOdlewsky
Sparta Systems, Inc.


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Using MS-Kermit 3.14 with PPP under WIN 3/95 Possible?
Date: 7 Dec 1995 13:41:50 GMT
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In article <4a3ldp$aad@blues.epas.utoronto.ca>,
Raymond Kan <kan@blues.epas.utoronto.ca> wrote:
:
: 	I connect to my mainframe using PPP, and I am not happy with
: the Telnet client that comes with Windows 95 and would like to use
: Kermit instead (for keyboard mapping and downloading).  However, I
: have not been able to this.
: 
: 	I had made appropriate changes in mscustom.ini and typing
: check TCP gives response of TCP/IP is available.  However after typing
: 
: 	set port tcp/ip hostname
: 	connect
: 
: 	and I get an error message of
: 
: 	Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver.
:       ....
:
You can't use MS-DOS Kermit over Winsock.

Kermit 95 is the Kermit software for Windows 95 and Windows NT, especially
if you need to use it as a Telnet client.  Further information at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: kermit for win95 - single byte only?
Date: 7 Dec 1995 13:49:52 GMT
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In article <4a56u6$5pa@hippo.shef.ac.uk>,
Earl H. Kinmonth <cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk> wrote:
>Does kermit for Win95 support all language versions of Win95 or
>is it restricted to English and/or single-byte character set
>languages?
>
>Win95 Japanese is my primary concern....
>
Kermit 95 is presently an English-only application -- as far as the
user interface goes.  But...

 . It supports conversion of a wide variety of character sets,
   including Japanese, as part of the text-mode file-transfer process.

 . It supports terminal emulation in a wide variety of single-byte
   character sets.  There is, at present, no specific provision for
   CJK character sets in terminal emulation, but that's on the list of
   future enhancements.
   
Note, however, that if your PC has a Japanese code page (Shift JIS) loaded
and usable in console windows, Kermit 95 might just work with it anyway --
like MS-DOS Kermit works with the GB and Big5 Chinese character sets, even
though it contains no specific code for doing so -- if you "set term byte
8" and "set term character-set transparent".  Of course, in this case, you
don't get translation during terminal emulation, but if the remote
computer or service uses Shift-JIS, then you have legible Japanese text
on your screen.

We don't have access to any Japanese Windows 95 systems, so we can't do
more than speculate.  So my best advice would be for somebody that does to
try it and report back.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: CKermit 5A(186) BETA-8, 7 NOV 92: a question about...
Date: 7 Dec 1995 13:52:40 GMT
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In article <7DEC95.10103608@meena.cc.uregina.ca>,
 <vogt12@meena.cc.uregina.ca> wrote:
>The VAX/VMS is running this version 5A(186) of C-Kermit. I want to use it to
>download a file to my micro. I am at the MS-Kermit prompt of my PC and type
>the commands:
>...
>
Please use a real release of C-Kermit, not a three-year old prerelease.

Information about current releases of all Kermit software programs is
available at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

If, after installing the current version and reading the documentation, you
still have problems, let us know.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: KERMIT 95: Where to buy?
Date: 7 Dec 1995 14:05:42 GMT
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In article <4a4tv0$aiu@reuters2.mitre.org>,
Joe Morris <jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org> wrote:
: A question for the world (or anyone on the K95 team): what retail
: outlets are supposed to be carrying the new Kermit for Windows?
: 
: The announcement of its release posted to the newsgroup indicated 
: that the new package ("payware" if you will) would be sold through
: normal software distribution channels; this is also indicated by the
: KERMIT web page at www.columbia.edu .  It's now been a couple
: of months since it was released, and today I was chasing some other
: stuff in the local outlets and started asking around.  The results:
: 
:  - CompUSA: asked two clerks and the store manager: none of them would
:    admit to even knowing what "KERMIT" was, much less having a copy 
:    of the new kit.
: 
:  - Egghead: recognized the name "Kermit" and even knew that it came
:    from Columbia ... but Egghead carries only the book with the
:    MS-KERMIT disk.  Calling 1-800-EGGHEAD got the same response
: 
:  - Computer City: long hold with unusually lousy Christmas music; just
:    before I was ready to hang up they finally answered, but kept 
:    trying to believe that I was looking for BBS software.  No Kermit
:    titles.
: 
:  - PC Connection: never heard of KERMIT, don't carry it.
: 
: The web page suggests that Egghead and CompUSA (misspelled, btw) would
: be the first to have the kit.
: 
: Suggestions?
:
If a store does not have Kermit 95 in stock and claims never to have heard
of it, you (the customer) can ask them (the store) to order it from the
distributor:

    Micro Central Inc.
    PO Box 1009
    8998 Route 18 North
    Old Bridge NJ  08857

    Fax:   +1 (908) 360-0303
    Voice: +1 (908) 360-0300

Note: only stores can order from Micro Central.  Stores AND customers can
also order it from direct from the publisher:

    Manning Publications
    3 Lewis Street
    Greenwich CT  06830  USA

    Fax:   +1 (203) 661 9018
    Voice: +1 (203) 629 2078
    Email: 73150.1431@Compuserve.com
    Web:   http://www.BrowseBooks.Com/BBC/kermit/Kermit.html

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Server download file status
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In article <4a4b17$76n$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes:
> Under Windows environment, we are using Kermit's Server to 
> receive files from a remote site. Concurrently with executing the 
> Kermit server (using a *.pif), another (Windows) application is 
> running and is looking to process these downloaded files as soon 
> as each file is done downloading.
> while Kermit is active which waits until the kermit file is 
> received to process the new data.  This application determines 
> when kermit is done with receiving the file by trying to open the 
> file using exclusive mode, i.e., deny write and read access to 
> other applications.  
> 
> This data processing application runs fine on two of our three 
> PCs but on the third PC the data processing application can open 
> the file and even 
> delete the file while kermit is still receiving the file.
> 
> Is it possible to tell kermit that the file being received can 
> not be 
> accessed by any other application?  Note, MS Word does this when 
> editing 
> a file contary to Windows NotePad which allows others to access 
> and 
> delete a file while being edited.
-----------
	You may recall that MS Word and friends require loading the DOS
SHARE program (or Windows equivalent). MS-DOS Kermit opens files in the
most permissive mode, write and do not deny reading, since that is the
most flexible. Your applications environment is dependent on a file locking
senario, and hence on SHARE etc, and clearly Kermit isn't going to provide
that. I would suggest your data apps depend on something else rather than
a brute force file open, but off-hand I don't have a clever idea to offer.
	Joe D.

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From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell)
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Subject: Kermit 95 problem
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I'm running K95 (1.1.1) on a DX2/66 with a direct connection to a
serial network on com2. Every so often the K95 vt100 terminal
session will just stop accepting keyboard input. If I hit alt-x
it will fall back to the kermit prompt (sometimes after a pause
of up to 20 seconds) where I can enter 'c' and carry on. There
dosn't seem to be any pattern to it although it generally happens
in waves. That is it will happen a dozen times in quick succession
and then go away for a while. I can leave the terminal open for
several hours and it will be working fine when I return though.
This is starting to get a bit annoying. Anyone else experienced
this?

-- 
Clive Mitchell                                      Oz Air Warrior
cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au               PID 5029 "Mad Dog"


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From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell)
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Clive Mitchell (cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au) wrote:
: I'm running K95 (1.1.1) on a DX2/66 with a direct connection to a
: serial network on com2. Every so often the K95 vt100 terminal
: session will just stop accepting keyboard input. If I hit alt-x
: it will fall back to the kermit prompt (sometimes after a pause
: of up to 20 seconds) where I can enter 'c' and carry on.

Just to add some more, the delay between hitting alt-x and actually
getting the kermit prompt back seems to be proportional to how many
characters I hit before I notice it's no longer sending them.


-- 
Clive Mitchell                                      Oz Air Warrior
cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au               PID 5029 "Mad Dog"


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Date: 7 Dec 1995 18:44:30 GMT
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In article <4a5n37$255@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au>,
Clive Mitchell <cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> wrote:
: I'm running K95 (1.1.1) on a DX2/66 with a direct connection to a
: serial network on com2. Every so often the K95 vt100 terminal
: session will just stop accepting keyboard input. If I hit alt-x
: it will fall back to the kermit prompt (sometimes after a pause
: of up to 20 seconds) where I can enter 'c' and carry on. There
: dosn't seem to be any pattern to it although it generally happens
: in waves. That is it will happen a dozen times in quick succession
: and then go away for a while. I can leave the terminal open for
: several hours and it will be working fine when I return though.
: This is starting to get a bit annoying. Anyone else experienced
: this?
: 
It sounds like a flow control deadlock.  What kind of flow control
are you using?  Do you have a null-modem cable with RTS and CTS
crossed over?  Has Kermit 95 been told to SET FLOW RTS/CTS?  What
about the thing on the other end of the cable?

When you get into this situation, does Kermit 95's status line
say TRANSMISSION BLOCKED?

- Frank

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From: bruce@nevyn.realize.com.au (Bruce Cook)
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Is there a FAQ that deals with MSkermit3.14 networks, and
windoze ?.

My setup is

	NDIS
  ------------------
DIS_PKT9	MSTCP32
WINPKT
  ------------------
	Windoze 3.11

I want to be able to run kermit telnet in a Windoze shell
but whenever I connect I get:

	connection refused by host

on the host I get:

Dec  7 00:32:44 nevyn in.telnetd[2854]:
  error: can't get client address: Connection reset by peer

As kermit is happy to run without windoze, it leads me to
beleive that the M$ TCP stack is interfering.

Anyone solved this ?

-- 
.BRU

Bruce Cook
84 kintail Rd, Applecross	AUSstep Consultants
6153, W.A. Australia		3 Ord St West Perth,
EMail:zcookbruc@curtin.edu.au	6005 W.A. Australia 
-- 
.BRU

Bruce Cook
84 kintail Rd, Applecross	AUSstep Consultants

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From: WanJohn@hkstar.com (J. Wan)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: How to run multiple session in Windows DOS box with packet driver?
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 10:03:15 GMT
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I am using Kermit on ODI modules with packet driver.  I load the
network drivers as following:

===================================================================
[STARTNET.BAT]
@ECHO OFF
C:
CD \NWCLIENT
SET NWLANGUAGE=ENGLISH
C:\WINDOWS\net start
LH LSL
LH NE2000.COM
LH C:\WINDOWS\odihlp.exe
LH IPXODI
LH ODIPKT.COM 1 96
LH WINPKT 0X60
LH VLM 
CD \
==================================================================

===================================================================
[NET.CFG]:-

Link Support
	Max Boards 4
	Max Stacks 8
	Buffers 4 1514

Link Driver NE2000
	Frame Ethernet_802.3
	Frame Ethernet_II
	Frame Ethernet_802.2
	Frame Ethernet_SNAP
	INT 2
	PORT 320
	protocol IPX    0       Ethernet_802.3
	protocol IP     0800    Ethernet_II
	Protocol ARP    0806    Ethernet_II
	Protocol RARP   8035    Ethernet_II

	;MEM D0000
	Protocol IPX 0 Ethernet_802.3

NetWare DOS Requester
	   FIRST NETWORK DRIVE = F
	   USE DEFAULTS = OFF
	   VLM = CONN.VLM
	   VLM = IPXNCP.VLM
	   VLM = TRAN.VLM
	   VLM = SECURITY.VLM
	;  VLM = NDS.VLM
	   VLM = BIND.VLM
	   VLM = NWP.VLM
	   VLM = FIO.VLM
	   VLM = GENERAL.VLM
	   VLM = REDIR.VLM
	   VLM = PRINT.VLM
	   VLM = NETX.VLM

	Message Timeout=        90
	Average Name Length=    6
	Cache Buffer Size=      1500
	Show Dots=              ON
======================================================
Running Kermit in both DOS and Windows's DOS box is okay.  But can I
open 2 Windows's DOS prompt boxes and run 2 Kermit's sessions in the
same time?  

Please help.

Thanks,

John Wan

- John Wan (Chun)
  E-mail: wanjohn@hkstar.com


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I'm using C-Kermit on a Silicon Graphics Indigo2. Does anyone know how to get 
hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) turned on? Kermit won't let me set it and the 
man page just says that RTS/CTS can be selected if the computer and its 
operating system support it (and mine does). But there is no SET FLOW RTS/CTS 
option in my Kermit. I have to get this working ASAP and don't have time to 
order the official documentation, but if anyone has the docs on C-Kermit, I 
believe the answer is in chapter 8 if you could look it up for me. Much 
thanks.

-------
Rob Ripley
Veda, Inc.
rripley@digital.net

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From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
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KeithM <kmhouse@halcyon.com> wrote:

>When the file is displayed on the screen, all the lines are run together.  
>Does anyone know how to write to a DOS file so that each WRITE FILE 
>produces a separate line?

You need tell Kermit to put CR-LF (\13\10) where you want them, as in:

	write file stuff\13\10

This necessity is actually a feature, since it allows writing a single line
in several parts, as in:

	write file people:
	(later)
	write file Tom
	write file Dick
	write file Harry\13\10

 - Vince
*************************************
   Vincent Fatica
   Syracuse University Mathematics
   vefatica@syr.edu
*************************************

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <m2u43dsbz9.fsf@nevyn.realize.com.au>,
Bruce Cook <zcookbruc@curtin.edu.au> wrote:
>Is there a FAQ that deals with MSkermit3.14 networks, and
>windoze ?.
>
Look on your diskette.  Directory NETWORKS, file SETUP.DOC.

>As kermit is happy to run without windoze, it leads me to
>beleive that the M$ TCP stack is interfering.
>
If you have the MS TCP stack loaded, you have to unload it
before you can use Kermit's built-in TCP/IP.  The rule is:
only one TCP/IP stack can be active per network board.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to run multiple session in Windows DOS box with packet driver?
Date: 8 Dec 1995 15:10:32 GMT
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In article <4a6dm1$msm@bull.hkstar.net>, J. Wan <WanJohn@hkstar.com> wrote:
: I am using Kermit on ODI modules with packet driver.  I load the
: network drivers as following:
: ...
: Running Kermit in both DOS and Windows's DOS box is okay.  But can I
: open 2 Windows's DOS prompt boxes and run 2 Kermit's sessions in the
: same time?  
: 
No -- only one TCP/IP stack can be active at a time on a particular network
board.   But you can have up to six simultaneous sessions going within one
window and switch among them with Alt-n.  See:

(24) MULTIPLE TCP/IP SESSIONS -- KERMIT'S TCP/IP SESSION MANAGER

in your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 KERMIT.UPD file.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <4a7ond$cf9@ddi2.digital.net>,  <rripley@digital.net> wrote:
: I'm using C-Kermit on a Silicon Graphics Indigo2. Does anyone know how to
: get hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) turned on? Kermit won't let me set it
: and the man page just says that RTS/CTS can be selected if the computer and
: its operating system support it (and mine does). But there is no SET FLOW
: RTS/CTS option in my Kermit. I have to get this working ASAP and don't have
: time to order the official documentation, but if anyone has the docs on
: C-Kermit, I believe the answer is in chapter 8 if you could look it up for
: me. Much thanks.
: 
What version of IRIX do you have?  What version of Kermit?  The current
version of C-Kermit is 5A(190).

In any case, it appears that the IRIX versions do not presently have
hardware flow control compiled in.  If you want to try adding it, you need
to be able to recompile the program from source code.  Begin by reading
the section "Hardware Flow Control" in the UNIX C-Kermit Installation
Instructions file (ckuins.doc).  I don't seem to have access to any SGI
systems any more so I can't do this myself.

By the way, according to the aforementioned file, IRIX does not provide an
API for turning RTS/CTS on and off, so the way to get it is by using a
special driver -- that is, a special serial device name.  Unfortunately, I
don't know what the special device name would be.

Send email directly to me with the results.  I'll be glad to help, and once
we get it working, we'll incorporate it into the next release and/or release
notes.

- Frank

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From: jsr@dexter.mi.org (Jay S. Rouman)
Subject: Re: KERMIT 95: Where to buy?
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In article <4a4tv0$aiu@reuters2.mitre.org>,
Joe Morris <jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org> wrote:
> - Computer City: long hold with unusually lousy Christmas music; just
> [...]
>Suggestions?

Yes.  Obviously Computer City needs to get better Christmas music.
-- 
Jay Rouman  (jsr@dexter.mi.org  jsr@umcc.umich.edu  NIC Handle: JSR)
System Administrator, Education Central (jsr@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu)

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From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Receive File Protection with Server
Date: 8 Dec 1995 11:46:12 -0500
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In article <4a33vl$2cu@dub-news-svc-2.compuserve.com>,
Rich Godlewsky  <76412.156@compuserve.com> wrote:
>Is it possible to tell kermit that the file being received can not be 
>accessed by any other application?  Note, MS Word does this when editing 
>a file contary to Windows NotePad which allows others to access and 
>delete a file while being edited.

The most reliable way of doing this is to change the client's operation
from:
   put filename
to:
   put filename tempfile
   remote kermit rename tempfile filename

marshall

-- 
                  [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com]

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From: sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (Sven Hennig)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: ---Please Read This---
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 12:22:26 GMT
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Hi, 
I just wanted to give you the chance to earn some money in a very easy
way.A friend of mine turned me on a company called Intercall
Marketing, which
offers a nice, uncomplicated way to get some more cash, just by
callingthem and advertising a bit.
The number of the company is 
011-24-831-831 
(if you're calling from the USA, in other countries it's (i think)
++248-313131).

The call has a fee of $1.50, so I think (hope) this isn't to expensive
for the possibility to get some more money.

Now I'll try to explain how it works:

After calling the number a recording gives you deatiled informationon
what to to next. After a brief description you will be asked to enter
a six digit account number of the person  that gave you this number,
and this should be my account number.
It is -3 8 0 4 9 9- (this one is mine)
and then you can start to earn big money for nearly doing nothing. To
explain a little how it works, when you type in my account number, the
computer will give you you're own account number and a personal PIN
Number for your use only. Then it will record name and address for
future accounting needs, i.e. payments.

Here is where the money comes from:
For every call made to this number, intercall receives $1.50. 50 Cents
go to the account number you first typed in. But of course, now as
you've got you're own account, you'll want people to call and type in
your account number right away ! And I think, with the help of all the
networking systems around, it won't be a problem to reach many people.

Up to now its nothing special,
BUT IT GETS EVEN BETTER. You not only make 50 cents from the first
people who call using your number but also when they get people to
call using their number you get another 25 Cents from them, plus
another 25 cents from the people they get to call. So that means you
get paid 3 Levels deep, which could amount to some serious $$$.

An example:
If you get 100 people to call (by advertising in the net, or in the
local news papers), then you get 50$. If these people, let's say get
another 50 people to call, it's already $1,250. But the third  Level
is the most important one(so you should perhaps hurry a bit), because
if these people get 25 people each, that means that you'll get exactly
$31,250 (just imagine, if every Level would get 100 people, you would
get $ 250.000). Some good cash for nearly doing nothing, isn't it ?

If you're wondering why Intercall does this, realize that they get 50
Cents for every call. 1st Level=$0.50, 2nd Level=$0.25, 3rd
Level=$0.25 => $1.00. Remember that they'll get $1.50 for each call,
so that leaves 50 cents per call.

I normally dont try this things out. But it's (IMHO) not possible to
loose much money, and just paying $1.50 for calling, and then perhaps
getting much more cash, it's not too bad ?

But now I stop trying to convince you. You have to decide if this
possibility of earning cash is worth $1.50. Thank you very much for
reading, i hope it didn'T bother you.


C ya

Sven H.


----------------Sven Hennig----------------
------------Zum Kohlwaldfeld 2a------------
-------------D-65817  Eppstein-------------
------------Tel. ++49-6198-9218------------
------------Data ++49-6198-9208------------
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Hardware flow control
Date: 8 Dec 1995 22:56:54 GMT
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In article <4a7ond$cf9@ddi2.digital.net>,  <rripley@digital.net> wrote:
: I'm using C-Kermit on a Silicon Graphics Indigo2. Does anyone know how
: to get hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) turned on? Kermit won't let me
: set it and the man page just says that RTS/CTS can be selected if the
: computer and its operating system support it (and mine does). But there
: is no SET FLOW RTS/CTS option in my Kermit.
: 
I verified the following:

At least as of IRIX 5.2, there is no API for RTS/CTS, so you can't SET
FLOW RTS/CTS in the IRIX version of Kermit (maybe in IRIX 6.0 the
situation is different, but I have no way of knowing).

Instead, tell C-Kermit to "set line /dev/ttyf00" or whatever the port
number is.  The "f" signifies a device driver that uses RTS/CTS flow
control.

But then, according to "man serial", you still need serial port hardware
that can support this.  Evidently, SGI computers have all sorts of bizarre
Macintosh-like serial ports that don't support the full range of EIA
RS-232 (V.24) signals needed for asynchronous modem communication.  So if
the port doesn't have RTS and CTS wires, then the hardware flow control
driver isn't going to have much to work with...

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 & Net/windoze setup
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In article <m2u43dsbz9.fsf@nevyn.realize.com.au>, bruce@nevyn.realize.com.au (Bruce Cook) writes:
> Is there a FAQ that deals with MSkermit3.14 networks, and
> windoze ?.
> 
> My setup is
> 
> 	NDIS
>   ------------------
> DIS_PKT9	MSTCP32
> WINPKT
>   ------------------
> 	Windoze 3.11
> 
> I want to be able to run kermit telnet in a Windoze shell
> but whenever I connect I get:
> 
> 	connection refused by host
> 
> on the host I get:
> 
> Dec  7 00:32:44 nevyn in.telnetd[2854]:
>   error: can't get client address: Connection reset by peer
> 
> As kermit is happy to run without windoze, it leads me to
> beleive that the M$ TCP stack is interfering.
----------
	If you review the documentation in the MSK release we say clearly
that one may not run two or more protocol stacks of the same kind over the
same board at the same time. I think that resolves the difficulty.
	Joe D.

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From: andy@wbgl.demon.co.uk (Andrew Porter)
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Subject: Re: ---Please Read This---
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sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (Sven Hennig) wrote:
>A load of rubbish completely unrelated to anything sensible
 I normally wouldn't even entertain following this up but I
have just got my news poster working.

How many varieties of chain letters is technology going
to inflict on us ?
Only idiots such as sven will take this seriously.


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From: do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello)
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit and FASTCOM8 card
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Hello from France.

I apologize for my wrong English.

I try to use, on a PC with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, a com card with 8 16550
ports. The card is nammed FASTCOM8. this card is configured with
address 280 and IRQ 5
I use : set com3 \x280 5
        set port 3
        set speed 38400
        and so on

The lines are connected to host VME using Motorola Versados.
When I use standard PC COM1 or COM2 with the same mskermit.ini file but
set port 1 or set port 2 in place of set com3 \x280 5  set port 3,
all things works fine.

When I want to use the Fastcom8 card, things seem to works well, but I have
no echo on PC screen in all case : connect mode or with set input echo on
but the PC login on the host is correct.

May I have any answer about this problem because the only difference is :

        COM1 or COM2                   FASTCOM8
        set port 1       in place of    set com3 \x280 5
    or  set port 2                      set port 3

Is there any problem with IRQ I choose or DMA channel or anything else
in the setup of the PC.
I connect a RS232 spy box on the line and there is activity on the Receive 
line but nothing on the PC screen

Thank you for your attention.

     -+- Dominique -+-


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From: zed@lynx.WPI.EDU (Jesse D Zbikowski)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: [Q] MS-Kermit not displaying characters from remote host
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I don't think this is the same as the "I-can-talk-but-I-can't-listen"
syndrome described in KERMIT.BWR; I would really appreciate it if
someone could help me figure out my problem.

When I connect to a modem server with MS-Kermit, I don't see any of the
characters being sent to me.  The cursor moves appropriately, the way
it would if the login prompt were being displayed; I just don't see
it.  In fact, I can log in normally and run commands, just without
seeing the output.  If I do an "ls", for example, the cursor moves
around and the screen scrolls up, but that's it.

I think Kermit is getting the characters from the modem, it's just
not showing them.  I have the modem on COM2 IRQ3, which Kermit detects
just fine (it's at address \x2f8).  I don't have any TSRs or other
programs loaded.  The only other peripheral on the machine is a
built-in serial port, COM1 at IRQ 4.  I tried the other IRQs (2 and 5)
because the KERMIT.BWR file said that this was normally caused by
Kermit not looking at the right IRQ; this did not help, though.  

The computer is an AT&T 8086 and the modem is a Hayes-compatible 14.4k
internal fax-modem.  I used the same modem with Kermit on an 8088 and
it worked great; only difference was that it was on COM1.  I can't use
COM1 on this machine.  

Do you think that Kermit is getting the characters from the modem?  If
so, I don't know where the problem could be; with termianal emulation, 
maybe.  I have a copy of the MS-Kermit user's guide, but there doesn't
seem to be that much "trouble-shooting" stuff; the KERMIT.BWR was
helpful, but I'm basically stuck now.  Any advice would be greatly
appreciated; thanks much in advance.

PS --   hats off to the Kermit people for making this software
	available; it's always worked really well for me.

-- 
  Jesse Zbikowski                            Worcester Polytechnic Institute
zed@hilbert.wpi.edu                               Computer Science, '97

GCS C++(---) UUO+++ P+++>++++ E+++ PGP+ G-- PS+++ PE-- tv--- D--- h---(++) r+++

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From: hi961@cleveland.freenet.edu (Val Hite)
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Subject: Kermit Help with Amiga
Date: 8 Dec 1995 20:19:56 GMT
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I have a 28.8K modem. I get 200 CPS with Kermit from my provider in 
Akron Ohio. I have an Amiga. I use Terminus. Can someone tell me
how to INIT Kermit to get a better CPS rate. Using Zmodem I get 2500 CPS
on downloads but the protocols are bugged for uploading and I need to use
Kermit to upload. I have posted different places and NO ONE wants to help.
So I thought I would try here. I dont read this group and have to 
Telnet to get it. If you can help send email to aa126@freenet.akron.oh.us.
I would be really appreciative of any help. Thanks.
-- 

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From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
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Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 & Net/windoze setup
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In <1995Dec7.173422.69080@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:

#         If you review the documentation in the MSK release we
#   say clearly that one may not run two or more protocol stacks
#   of the same kind over the same board at the same time. I think
#   that resolves the difficulty.

Those docs also mention pktmux -- a packet driver substitute that
allows exactly what you're talking about -- although you don't
"recommend or support" it.

For the record, I've been using pktmux for a couple of months now,
with various programs running through winsock plus MSKermit, CUTCP
FTP, and a specialized DOS program to access an educational database
all on their own TCP stacks.  I haven't had any problems attributable
to this setup yet.

I believe the secret of success with using multiple stacks over pktmux
is assigning each stack its own interrupt address, so that no program
has to search for the packet driver.  Every program I've tried so far
has allowed this except for DOSLynx, which doesn't have much to
recommend it in any case.  But I allow DOSLynx to have interrupt 60,
and just assign higher numbers to all the other programs, including
Trumpet Winsock.

Trumpet, by the way, will only work with pktmux version 1.2h, which
Simtel has.  Some sites, including CICA, carry 1.2c, which will not
work.

In any case, this setup has allowed me to telnet with Kermit, a much
more sophisticated program than any Windows program I've found, and
still have FTP and Netscape available.

David Johns

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [Q] MS-Kermit not displaying characters from remote host
Date: 9 Dec 1995 15:03:58 GMT
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In article <4aaipn$8t1@bigboote.WPI.EDU>,
Jesse D Zbikowski <zed@lynx.WPI.EDU> wrote:
: I don't think this is the same as the "I-can-talk-but-I-can't-listen"
: syndrome described in KERMIT.BWR; I would really appreciate it if
: someone could help me figure out my problem.
: 
: When I connect to a modem server with MS-Kermit, I don't see any of the
: characters being sent to me.  The cursor moves appropriately, the way
: it would if the login prompt were being displayed; I just don't see
: it.  In fact, I can log in normally and run commands, just without
: seeing the output.  If I do an "ls", for example, the cursor moves
: around and the screen scrolls up, but that's it.
:
Let me take a wild guess -- your foreground color is the same as your
background color?  What kind of video adapter and monitor do you have?
Try "set terminal color 0" and see if it makes the characters reappear.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit and FASTCOM8 card
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In article <4a7eca$3i9@midgard.calvacom.fr>, do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) writes:
> Hello from France.
> 
> I apologize for my wrong English.
> 
> I try to use, on a PC with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, a com card with 8 16550
> ports. The card is nammed FASTCOM8. this card is configured with
> address 280 and IRQ 5
> I use : set com3 \x280 5
>         set port 3
>         set speed 38400
>         and so on
> 
> The lines are connected to host VME using Motorola Versados.
> When I use standard PC COM1 or COM2 with the same mskermit.ini file but
> set port 1 or set port 2 in place of set com3 \x280 5  set port 3,
> all things works fine.
> 
> When I want to use the Fastcom8 card, things seem to works well, but I have
> no echo on PC screen in all case : connect mode or with set input echo on
> but the PC login on the host is correct.
> 
> May I have any answer about this problem because the only difference is :
> 
>         COM1 or COM2                   FASTCOM8
>         set port 1       in place of    set com3 \x280 5
>     or  set port 2                      set port 3
> 
> Is there any problem with IRQ I choose or DMA channel or anything else
> in the setup of the PC.
> I connect a RS232 spy box on the line and there is activity on the Receive 
> line but nothing on the PC screen
-----------
	Your nice multiple port board does not look like a standard serial
port on the PC side, thus MS-DOS Kermit can't access it. The board requires
special software from the maker.
	Joe D.

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Thanks Frank!

John

>fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:

>In article <4a6dm1$msm@bull.hkstar.net>, J. Wan <WanJohn@hkstar.com> wrote:
>: I am using Kermit on ODI modules with packet driver.  I load the
>: network drivers as following:
>: ...
>: Running Kermit in both DOS and Windows's DOS box is okay.  But can I
>: open 2 Windows's DOS prompt boxes and run 2 Kermit's sessions in the
>: same time?  
>: 
>No -- only one TCP/IP stack can be active at a time on a particular network
>board.   But you can have up to six simultaneous sessions going within one
>window and switch among them with Alt-n.  See:

>(24) MULTIPLE TCP/IP SESSIONS -- KERMIT'S TCP/IP SESSION MANAGER

>in your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 KERMIT.UPD file.

>- Frank

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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rripley@digital.net wrote:
: I'm using C-Kermit on a Silicon Graphics Indigo2. Does anyone know how to get 
: hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) turned on? Kermit won't let me set it and the 
: man page just says that RTS/CTS can be selected if the computer and its 
: operating system support it (and mine does). But there is no SET FLOW RTS/CTS 
: option in my Kermit. I have to get this working ASAP and don't have time to 
: order the official documentation, but if anyone has the docs on C-Kermit, I 
: believe the answer is in chapter 8 if you could look it up for me. Much 
: thanks.

First, I suggest you do a "show features" and see if Hardware flow control 
is available to you. From what you write I suspect it was not selected when
your C-Kermit was compiled. If that is true, you need to recompile with
the appropiate -D option set at compile time. See the install doc from
Columbia University.

Ute

PS: It just took me a week to compile C-Kermit for AT&T Sys V r 3.2 with
	all the options I wanted, so I don;t think your solution will be
    quick. It may take a little time to fix all the problems.


: -------
: Rob Ripley
: Veda, Inc.
: rripley@digital.net

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From: suziecar@starnet.gov.sg (Suzie Caroline)
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Subject: Unable to download file from server to terminal
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Can any kind souls out here help me?
For the past few days, I have been trying to download a file from the 
server to my terminal PC but it has always been unsuccessful. After 
getting into the kermit prompt, I typed: send [filename]. Then this 
happens on the screen..........

Return to your local kermit and give a receive command.

Kermit ready to send......

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX___DP
(X stands for a gibberish non textual character)

C-Kermit>many retries.OP






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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Unable to download file from server to terminal
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In article <4ab0uh$6k5@mercury.starnet.gov.sg>,
Suzie Caroline <suziecar@starnet.gov.sg> wrote:
>Can any kind souls out here help me?
>For the past few days, I have been trying to download a file from the 
>server to my terminal PC but it has always been unsuccessful. After 
>getting into the kermit prompt, I typed: send [filename]. Then this 
>happens on the screen..........
>
>Return to your local kermit and give a receive command.
>
>Kermit ready to send......
>
>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX___DP
>(X stands for a gibberish non textual character)
>
>C-Kermit>many retries.OP
>
Evidently you did not "Return to your local kermit and give a receive
command."  The method for doing this depends on what software you are
running on your PC.  If it is MS-DOS Kermit, you would type Alt-x and
then at the MS-Kermit> prompt, you would type "receive" and then press
the Enter key.  Complete instructions are found in the manual:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn
  on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada,
		       Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time)

- Frank

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From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman)
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And it came to pass that on 09 Dec 95 01:54,
Andy@Wbgl.Demon.Co.Uk spake these words unto All::

 An> How many varieties of chain letters is technology going
 An> to inflict on us ?

I don't know. However, I think I must have seen at least five in 
the past two months. They are invariably extremely widely 
distributed and almost all carry a notice that they are really 
legal -- which is about as good as the paper they're not written 
on <grin>.

I dare say that chain letters were not anticipated by the sci fi 
writers of years past who anticipated world-wide computer networks 
<grin>. I certainly didn't anticipate them and didn't even see 
them (with the notorious Dave Rhodes exception) in profusuion 
until this spring. Wonder what happened? Do you suppose it has to 
do with the ozon hole?

MIke Freeman < K 7 U I J >
Internet: mikef@pacifier.com
---
 * PCRR QWK 1.60 *
                                                           

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From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell)
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Subject: Re: Kermit 95 problem
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In article <4a5n37$255@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au>,
: Clive Mitchell <cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> wrote:
: : I'm running K95 (1.1.1) on a DX2/66 with a direct connection to a
: : serial network on com2. Every so often the K95 vt100 terminal
: : session will just stop accepting keyboard input. If I hit alt-x
: : it will fall back to the kermit prompt (sometimes after a pause
: : of up to 20 seconds) where I can enter 'c' and carry on.
: : 
: It sounds like a flow control deadlock.  What kind of flow control
: are you using?  Do you have a null-modem cable with RTS and CTS
: crossed over?  Has Kermit 95 been told to SET FLOW RTS/CTS?  What
: about the thing on the other end of the cable?

: When you get into this situation, does Kermit 95's status line
: say TRANSMISSION BLOCKED?

I'm connected to a DCE device which is using XON/XOFF flow control.
I've tried setting Kermit for XON/XOFF and NONE to no effect. Using
a protocol analyser I can see that my PC does indeed stop sending
with no change to any of the control signals. The status line does
not say TRANSMISSION BLOCKED. Another thing I noticed is that when
I get back to the Kermit prompt, if I do a SHOW COMM it says that
RTS and DTR are OFF when in fact they are both asserted.

I am not having any problem with the TCP/IP connections with Kermit95.
They are working perfectly.

-- 
Clive Mitchell                                      Oz Air Warrior
cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au               PID 5029 "Mad Dog"


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From: Jeff Van Syckle <vansyckl@dolphin.upenn.edu>
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I am having a problem using the kermit protocol in Win95. I can connect to my server 
fine, and can start the Kermit protocl on that end ok, but when I try to get Win95 to 
receive a file, I'm having a problem. Can't seem to get it to "know" the file I'm 
trying to download. I'm not certain if it has something to do with escaping to my 
local server, or what.

I can't really afford to buy the Win95 version of kermit. Do I need this to make 
Kermit work under Windows 95?

If someone could walk me through this I would appreciate it. Thanks.


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: [Q] MS-Kermit not displaying characters from remote host
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In article <4aaipn$8t1@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, zed@lynx.WPI.EDU (Jesse D Zbikowski) writes:
> I don't think this is the same as the "I-can-talk-but-I-can't-listen"
> syndrome described in KERMIT.BWR; I would really appreciate it if
> someone could help me figure out my problem.
> 
> When I connect to a modem server with MS-Kermit, I don't see any of the
> characters being sent to me.  The cursor moves appropriately, the way
> it would if the login prompt were being displayed; I just don't see
> it.  In fact, I can log in normally and run commands, just without
> seeing the output.  If I do an "ls", for example, the cursor moves
> around and the screen scrolls up, but that's it.

	To see what is being sent to you tell MSK  SET DEBUG ON. That
will show each byte, ^control-code, ~high-bit-set, without interpreting
cursor steering commands and so on.
	It is possible that your remote host is set to not echo. Please
check with the system manager about that aspect.
	Joe D.

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From: jwinett@tulsa.com (Joe Winett)
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Subject: Caps-Lock Problem with K95
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Has anyone had weird problems with Upper and Lower case in K95?



Sometimes it's like Kermit is in CapsLock, but all keys are really
shifted -- 'a' sends 'A' and '7' sends '&', etc...


Joe

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <30cc57f7.3760203@news.sccsi.com>,
Joe Winett <jwinett@tulsa.com> wrote:
> Has anyone had weird problems with Upper and Lower case in K95?
> Sometimes it's like Kermit is in CapsLock, but all keys are really
> shifted -- 'a' sends 'A' and '7' sends '&', etc...
>
This is a bug in the Windows 95 console driver.  Caps Lock acts like Shift
Lock for 32-bit console applications that read scan codes (not just
characters).  Hopefully Microsoft will fix it.  There is no way to fix it
in Kermit, as it stands, because the characters you see are the ones that
Windows is reporting.  We are working to convert Kermit 95 to a full GUI,
non-console application, and that will avoid the problem by not using
Microsoft's console driver any more.  Watch this space for announcements.

- Frank

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From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair)
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p7003cv@sun1.lrz-muenchen.de (Matthias Noethe) writes:

>Hi everyone,
>
>I'm trying to send large text files, sometimes binaries from a linux
>machine to a vms host. I try to use sliding windows but when I transmit 
>larger packets than 94 bytes I only get naks from the vms-host.
>So far I use 31 windows.
>Buffers are big enough 100000 !
>
>Any suggestions ...
>
What level of C-Kermit are your running on the vax?
Does it accept your 
	set receive packet-length 2000
command without error?
-- 

Bob Shair                          Open Systems Consultant
1018 W. Springfield Avenue         rmshair@uiuc.edu
Champaign, IL 61821		   217/356-2684

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From: Kung YiJi  <93302179@comet.np.ac.sg>
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        I have written a "PhoneList Manager v.01a" for MSkermit 3.14. It 
runs with the Hayes AT command set and is handy for those planning on 
using MSKermit for more than just internetting (for BBSing as well). 
	Its written entirely with the built-in macros and script commands, 
just to show what MSkermit 3.14 can do! Those looking for such a script 
can get it from [http://arbornet.org/~edwinder], web-space courtesy of 
Edwinder Singh (a fellow mate). 

	Functions/Features include: 

	o Autodialing with counter, terminates with key-press
	o Dialing-Directory-Format compatible
	o F/B Paging, Reload to Top and selection by alphabet
	o Terminal-emulation selection (Ansi-BBS,VT320 etc)
	o Dialing Speed/Parity settings from Menu

        Any comments/bugs/support, please e-mail to the address below.

        Thank you,
          kung.
   93302179@np.ac.sg
---

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When I'm at my unix shell prompt the backspace doesn't work, although it 
works fine when I'm in my mail reader, etc...

Any Ideas, thanks.

Jeff

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Hi everyone,

I'm trying to send large text files, sometimes binaries from a linux
machine to a vms host. I try to use sliding windows but when I transmit 
larger packets than 94 bytes I only get naks from the vms-host.
So far I use 31 windows.
Buffers are big enough 100000 !

Any suggestions ...

Thanx 

 Matthias

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In article <4a6rj8$c8j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>In article <7DEC95.10103608@meena.cc.uregina.ca>,
> <vogt12@meena.cc.uregina.ca> wrote:
>>The VAX/VMS is running this version 5A(186) of C-Kermit. I want to use it to
>>
>Please use a real release of C-Kermit, not a three-year old prerelease.
>
>- Frank

Well, I FTPed the latest SUN 4.1 binaries, and got version
C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD)
Is this the latest?  It seems Not much newer than his.  

I also could not find a file containing only the docs.  
(I don't want to bring the source accross my 14k modem.

Gadi

PS.  This kermit is MUCH better than the "C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89"
I'd been using until last month.

Keep up the good work.


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From: andyc@andyc.carenet.org (Andy Carlson)
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I have just started using CKermit with OS/2 and really like it, 
especially for it's scripting capabilities.  I have run in to one slight
problem so far (I bought the book by the way and have had no luck 
finding what I need to know).  The book says that keys can be remapped. 
My problem is with the using pageup/pagedown for the scrollback 
commands.  I am used to using pageup/pagedown in my applications. 
Ckermit has the key redefinition, and I would not mind using ctrl-pgup 
and ctrl-pgdown for the scrollback, but I do not know what to change the
key setting to so that my application will see the pageup/pagedown.  If 
anyone else has had this problem and a suggested fix, I would 
appreciate it.  Thanks.


 Andy Carlson           email: andyc@andyc.carenet.org
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From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair)
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Subject: Re: How to get BACKSPACE to work?
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jtomich@IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich) writes:

>When I'm at my shell prompt or at the ftp prompt the backspace doesn't 
>work. How do I set key to make the backspace work.

The DEC VMS and Unix worlds have never quite agreed on what the backspace character should be.  

Assuming that you're talking to a Unix box, 
perhaps the easiest thing to do is to tell Kermit to use a Unix backspace.
   In C-Kermit for OS/2 I do that with 
set key \127 \8
in my ckermod.ini file, where 127 is the scancode of the PC backspace key,
and 8 is the ASCII backspace character, also called ^H.

I know this can be done in MS-Kermit for DOS.  Don't know about others.

Alternatively you can tell Unix to use the VMS backspace character, DEL, with
the Unix command 
stty erase "<---press the backspace key instead of the "
-- 

Bob Shair                          Open Systems Consultant
1018 W. Springfield Avenue         rmshair@uiuc.edu
Champaign, IL 61821		   217/356-2684

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <4an0pn$qm4@news-1.starnet.net>,
Andy Carlson <andyc@andyc.carenet.org> wrote:
>I have just started using CKermit with OS/2 and really like it, 
>especially for it's scripting capabilities.  I have run in to one slight
>problem so far (I bought the book by the way and have had no luck 
>finding what I need to know).  The book says that keys can be remapped. 
>My problem is with the using pageup/pagedown for the scrollback 
>commands.  I am used to using pageup/pagedown in my applications. 
>Ckermit has the key redefinition, and I would not mind using ctrl-pgup 
>and ctrl-pgdown for the scrollback, but I do not know what to change the
>key setting to so that my application will see the pageup/pagedown.  If 
>anyone else has had this problem and a suggested fix, I would 
>appreciate it.  Thanks.


You change the key definitions with the SET KEY command.

If your application is a DEC VMS app or understands the DEC UpScreen 
and DownScreen keys try assigning \Kupscn and \Kdnscn to the appropriate
keys.

If you application is something like emacs with its own Command 
sequences, assign the command sequence as the SET KEY definition.

Read the CKERMIT.INF file by typing UPDATES at the C-kermit prompt
to find a huge amount of information regarding C-Kermit for OS/2
which is not in the Big Yellow Book.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
               * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
  C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html
  Kermit 95 for Windows 95 :   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

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From: Tom Bowden <tbowden@gsu.edu>
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Barry J Mccabe wrote:
> 
> I used to have a copy of this, but seem to have misplaced the diskette.
> Anyone know where I could ftp a copy?

ftp delta.com

Tom in Atlanta

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From: jtomich@IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich)
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Subject: How to get BACKSPACE to work?
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When I'm at my shell prompt or at the ftp prompt the backspace doesn't 
work. How do I set key to make the backspace work.

thanks, Jeff


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Backspace don't work?
Date: 14 Dec 1995 16:00:21 GMT
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In article <4aeic5$pf1@mercury.IntNet.net>,
Jeff Tomich <jtomich@news.IntNet.net> wrote:
>When I'm at my unix shell prompt the backspace doesn't work, although it 
>works fine when I'm in my mail reader, etc...
>
From the Kermit FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

5 MY BACKSPACE KEY DOESN'T WORK!

From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: [?] Backspace key says, "^?"
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In article <D201pG.DMB@indirect.com>,
Jim Monty <monty@indirect.com> wrote:
> DISCLAIMER: I've looked for the answer to the following question in
> _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included with MS-DOS
> Kermit 3.13.  I either couldn't find the answer or didn't understand
> it if I did.
>

Thank you for consulting the documentation.

> I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS
> 6.0, using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem.  Kermit is set for
> VT220 terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and
> code page CP437.  I've not mucked with much in the initialization
> files, so you may assume that any other parameters are still set to
> the "factory" defaults.
>
> Alas, the question: In some online environments, my backspace key
> behaves as one would expect it to.  In others, hitting the backspace
> key results in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters
> "^?"  appearing on the screen.  I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these
> situations.  In these exact same online environments (e.g., vi
> insert mode when connected to my dial-up UNIX shell account) under
> analagous circumstances, the other terminal emulator that I use,
> Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this way.  The backspace key
> functions as a destructive backspace.
>
> I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit
> configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out.  And I've
> never really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to
> figure it out myself.  (I want the magic straight from the wizards'
> minds.)  Thanks, in advance, for taking the time to help me.
>
> Jim Monty, Kermit Cheerleader at Arthur Andersen LLP
>

Well, Jim, I think it's finally time to classify this as a Frequently Asked
Question and add it to the FAQ (kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/FAQ.TXT).

As you have discovered, different hosts and applications use different
characters (or sequences) for destructive backspace.  The terminal emulator,
Kermit or otherwise (including Telemate -- if its backspace key works for you
in all circumstances, I think that's just a stroke of luck), has no way of
knowing what host or application you are using, and therefore no way of knowing
what to send when you press the Backspace key.

Of course, Kermit's Backspace key must send *something* "out of the box", so it
uses one of the several most likely destructive backspace values, and in fact
the one that is defined in ASCII to be destructive backspace, namely Rubout,
also known as Delete or DEL, character number 127, which sometimes is displayed
as "^?".  Lest anyone believe this is a frivolous choice, I quote from American
National Standard X3.4-1977, Section 5.1, Control Characters:

    0/8 BS (Backspace).  A one-active-position format effector that moves
    the position backward on the same line.

    7/15 (DEL). A character used primarily to erase or obliterate an
    erroneous or unwanted character...

In cases where the default does not work, Kermit lets you redefine the
Backspace key (or any other key) to send whatever you want it to send (or to
take any other actions) with the SET KEY command.

The SET KEY command has two operands: a unique identifier for a key or key
combination, called a scan code, and the value or action to be assigned to the
key.  Scan codes are written with a preceding backslash (\).  The scan code for
the Backspace key is \270.  The default definition for this key is \127,
meaning the character whose numeric value is 127, i.e. DEL.

You can find out a key's scan code by consulting Table I-9 in the manual (pages
285-288), or by giving the SHOW KEY command to Kermit and then pressing the
desired key or key combination.

Now, as you have discovered, some applications use Ctrl-H -- ASCII BS
(Backspace) -- for destructive backspace.  Consulting the ASCII table on page
275, you see that the ASCII code for BS is 8.  So to make PC's Backspace key
send BS instead of DEL, give this command:

  SET KEY \270 \8

If you use Kermit only to connect to hosts and services that use BS for
destructive backspace, then you can put this command in your MSCUSTOM.INI file,
and it will take effect automatically every time you start Kermit.

But some people (like yourself) switch between different hosts and/or services
that expect different characters or sequences for destructive backspace.  You
can, of course, give Kermit the appropriate command every time you switch from
one to another:

  SET KEY \270 \8    ; Backspace sends BS

or:

  SET KEY \270 \127  ; Backspace sends DEL

or you can use the macros that are already defined in MSKERMIT.INI for this.
In version 3.14, for example, we have macros with names like VAX and IBM.  The
VAX macro sets things up (including the Backspace key) for communicating with
VAXes and VAX-like systems, and that means, among other things, setting the
Backspace key to send DEL.  The IBM macro, on the other hand, is used for
communicating with IBM mainframes in linemode, where BS is used.

You can use these macros as they are, or you can write your own macros based
upon them and add them to your MSCUSTOM.INI file.  To use a macro, just type
its name at the MS-Kermit> prompt.

Suppose, for example, you normally access two different systems: a BBS (which
uses 8-bit characters, ANSI terminal emulation, and BS) and a UNIX system
(which uses 7-bit characters, VT220 emulation, and DEL), and these items need
to be changed when you switch between the two.  You could write two macros such
as these:

  define bbs set term byte 8, set term type ANSI, set key \270 \8
  define unix set term byte 7, set term type vt220, set key \270 \127

And then each time you want to use the BBS, you just type "bbs" at the
MS-Kermit> prompt, and each time you want to access the UNIX system, you type
"unix".

Of course, you could take this process even further, and turn the BBS and UNIX
macros into complete connection-establishment and login scripts, following the
directions in Chapter 14 of the manual, on script programming.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Zmodem who to help?
Date: 14 Dec 1995 16:01:58 GMT
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In article <4aemon$qkq@mercury.IntNet.net>,
Jeff Tomich <jtomich@news.IntNet.net> wrote:
>Would like to use zmodem externally. How do I do that?
>
Before anyone could answer your question, they would need to know
which version of which Kermit program you are running on which
kind of computer and operating system, over which kind of
connection.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: problems with packets bigger than 94 bytes
Date: 14 Dec 1995 16:13:41 GMT
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In article <4ahd39$6vj@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de>,
Matthias Noethe <p7003cv@sun1.lrz-muenchen.de> wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>I'm trying to send large text files, sometimes binaries from a linux
>machine to a vms host. I try to use sliding windows but when I transmit 
>larger packets than 94 bytes I only get naks from the vms-host.
>So far I use 31 windows.
>Buffers are big enough 100000 !
>
>Any suggestions ...
>
You should read the "Using C-Kermit" chapter that explains the relationship
of packet length and window size to performance.  By the way, "Using
C-Kermit" is available in German too:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und
    Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).
    ISBN 3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price: DM 88,00.  
    Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.
    Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29.

Also, pay particular attention to flow control.  It is all explained in the
manual.

I would also ask you to read the CKVINS.DOC file that comes with VMS C-Kermit.
As you will see, C-Kermit's buffers are not the only ones you need to be
concerned with.  VMS itself has some buffering limitations that can only be
changed by the system manager, either through privileged commands or by
reconfiguring the system.

In the meantime, I would suggest that you reduce the window size to something
reasonable, like 2 or 4, and then you should be able to increase the packet
length.

Here, for reference is an earlier discussion of Kermit file transfer
performance on VMS:

In article <3en6v1$eer@nyx10.cs.du.edu>,
Michael Donohue <mdonohue@nyx10.cs.du.edu> wrote:
>AN earlier post said that Kermit was not entirely bad for transfering 
>files.  I tried and tried, but the max cps I could get was 157 or so on a 
>9600 bps line.
>
>Could someone please tell me ... the settings for kermit?
>
I have posted the following message to this group several times -- if
there is an FAQ, I hope this can be added to it.  But first, a word from
our sponsor.  The current version of Kermit for VMS is C-Kermit 5A(190).
It supersedes all previous VMS Kermit releases and programs, including all
versions of Kermit-32, which is no longer supported.  You can get C-Kermit
5A(190) by mail order from Columbia University, or by anonymous ftp to
kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f, file ckvaaaa.hlp, read it, go
from there.  You can also access the Kermit repository via the Web at URL:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

The Kermit software effort is funded primarily by mail order and book
sales.  Users of C-Kermit (and MS-DOS Kermit) are encouraged to purchase
the appropriate manual -- it will show you how to use the software and how
to get the most out of it (e.g. answering questions like the one above, so
they need not be posted to dozens of newsgroups over and over and over
again).

If you type "help" at the C-Kermit> or MS-Kermit> prompt, you should get
(among other things) a complete reference to the appropriate manual.  If
you want more information, access the Web site listed above or send e-mail
to kermit.columbia.edu.

The following message is almost a year old and discusses the previous
release of C-Kermit, but aside from that, it still applies.

In article <s5$Oj86y-nB0055yn@faraday.clas.virginia.edu>
gap5u@faraday.clas.virginia.edu (Gregory Perron) writes:
> 
> I'm downloading from a vax 4000-90 thru a terminal server of some sort
> to my PC.  14.4's at both ends: I have a cardinal internal; they have
> us robotics.  I get messages of 14.4, lapm, v.42bis, etc.  But,
> downloads have been hideous.
> 
> I've given up on sz, because of too many aborted transfers.  I
> *think* the problem is w/ the vax, but I'm not sure.  [I get flawless
> 1600-1650 cps dl's on zipped files from a local bbs] Yes, I tried all
> the -ebrw permutations I could think of.
> 
> On to kermit: I use procomm plus/dos 2.01 on my PC.  On the vax,
> ckermit pops up and says:
> Ckermit 5a(188) 23 NOV 92, OpenVMS Vax.
>
You'll get better results with C-Kermit 5A(189) or later, which has two
new features described below.  C-Kermit 5A(189) is available via
anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, get the file
ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there.

> My ckermit.ini file has:
> set send pack 1000
>
This command is not needed; see the documentation.

> set receive pack 1000
> set buff 20000 20000
> set file type bin
> set windows 10
> set block 3
> 
> Symptoms: max dl cps has been around 1100 for a zipped/jpg/gif file.
> And that's unusual: 950-1050 is more normal. It's almost like I'm
> only at 9600, modem report aside.
> 
I can't speak for Procomm, but I ran some tests using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13
(the current version) on a 486/66 over a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis dialup
connection to a Cisco terminal server, and from there to a VAXstation
3100 running VMS 5.x and C-Kermit 5A. The calling modem is a Telebit
T3000, the answering modem is a USR Courier.

MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
directory kermit/bin, binary mode, file msvibm.zip.

In these tests, I downloaded a 330K ZIP file (MSVIBM.ZIP -- the MS-DOS
Kermit 3.13 distribution).  My serial interface speed was 57600 bps, and
I used RTS/CTS flow control between my PC and the modem, and RTS/CTS was
also active between the answering modem and the terminal server.

In the first test (10 window slots x 1000-byte packets, same settings as
yours), I achieved an effective throughput of 1091 cps, like you got.

Since the connection between the terminal server and VMS is via TCP/IP
TELNET, and we know that TCP and IP will handle the flow control between
the VAX and the terminal server, I told C-Kermit to SET FLOW NONE (its
default setting is XON/XOFF) and ran the test again: 1136 cps.

Now that we've got the basics taken care of, we can work on tuning.
Next I tell C-Kermit to:

  SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL
  SET CONTROL PREFIX 1 129 255

(version 5A(189) or later is required for this; see the CKCKER.UPD file
for explanation) -- This removes control-character prefixing overhead
for all but 3 characters (4 really: NUL, Ctrl-A, Ctrl-A plus parity, and
the TELNET IAC character).  Now I get 1549 cps.  Note: control-character
unprefixing is of benefit primarily for precompressed files, secondarily
for uncompressed binaries, and has very little effect at all on text
files.

Well, the PC I was using is one of the new "high-speed, low-cost"
models, and so lacks a buffered UART.  All of the above transfers
suffered various amounts of retransmissions due to UART buffer overruns.
Switching to a much slower PC (a PS/2-70, 15MHz I think) that has a
16550A buffered UART, same transfer, same parameters, the throughput
goes up to 1601 cps.

Now, since I don't have to worry about buffer overruns any more, I
increase Kermit's packet length to 5000 (SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH
5000).  Throughput: 1608 cps.

And now, since this is a precompressed file, I note that neither
Kermit's run-length compression, nor the modem's V.42bis compression
will do any good -- and some would say that they slow things down
a lot.  Let's see.  I turn both off:

  Kermit: SET REPEAT COUNTS OFF (C-Kermit 5A(189) or later required).
  Modem:  ATS190=0 (Telebit T3000)

and download the file again.  Result: 1616 cps.  Not a big difference.

Lessons (which apply mainly to this particular type of connection):

 1. Buffered UARTs are better than nonbuffered UARTs.
 2. Be sure to get the flow control at both ends.
 3. Use long packets (1K - 5K, whatever works) and sliding windows
    (4 or more).
 4. Once you've got all that working optimally, you can squeeze out
    another 20-30% efficiency with control-character unprefixing.
 5. After that, don't bother too much with fine tuning, particularly
    with disabling modem or software compression - it makes very little
    difference.

Please, before we have another flurry of postings from people asking
for the "optimal" list of control characters to be unprefixed, THERE IS
NONE.  Every connection is different, with its own unique characteristics.
Read the documentation.  Ditto for all the other variables we have looked
at here: window size, packet length, flow control, etc.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: CKermit 5A(186) BETA-8, 7 NOV 92: a question about...
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In article <DJGxIt.5wM@hynet.co.il>, Gadi Friedman <gadi@hynet.co.il> wrote:
>Well, I FTPed the latest SUN 4.1 binaries, and got version
>C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD)
>Is this the latest?  It seems Not much newer than his.  
>
Yes, that is the current release for SunOS.

>I also could not find a file containing only the docs.  
>(I don't want to bring the source accross my 14k modem.
>
The manual is a book, printed on paper:

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025-7721
    USA
    Telephone: +1 (212) 854-3703
    Fax:       +1 (212) 663-8202

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada,
  and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or
  Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add US $35 bank fee for checks
  not drawn on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales
  tax.  Inquire about quantity discounts.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    +1 800 366-2665   (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada,
		       Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time)
    +1 617 928 2613   (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info)
    +44 1933 414000   (Rushden, England distribution centre for
		       UK & Europe)
    +44 1865 310366   (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept)
    +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ)
    +65 356-1968      (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore,
		       Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand)
    +27 031-294247    (Durban office for South Africa)

>PS.  This kermit is MUCH better than the "C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89"
>I'd been using until last month.
>
Glad you like it.

- Frank

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I sometimes use a VT100 emulation in a communications program called 
Symphony which displays regular text as white letters on black background,
bold text as green letters on black, reverse as black on cyan, and 
reverse bold as white on cyan.  I like the effect, and I'd like to know 
if it's possible to set the VT320 emulation of MSKermit 3.14 to use 
different color combinations for bold and reverse like this.

Thanks,
David Stow


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Barry J Mccabe (bmccabe@tech.iupui.edu) wrote:
: I used to have a copy of this, but seem to have misplaced the diskette.
: Anyone know where I could ftp a copy?

Sorry, just answered my own question.  I found it on a university
FTP site, just couldn't find it throught the typical web search tools.

--
Barry J. McCabe
bmccabe@tech.iupui.edu
http://webster.cadcam.iupui.edu:80/~bmccabe/

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In <4ahd39$6vj@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de>, p7003cv@sun1.lrz-muenchen.de
(Matthias Noethe) wrote:

#   I'm trying to send large text files, sometimes binaries from a
#   linux machine to a vms host. I try to use sliding windows but
#   when I transmit larger packets than 94 bytes I only get naks
#   from the vms-host. So far I use 31 windows. Buffers are big
#   enough 100000 !
#
#   Any suggestions ...

I've run into the problem on several hosts that I can download with
large packets, but can't upload with anything over the standard 94.
I've assumed that this is a flow-control problem on the host's end,
which I have no control over.  Could this be it?

David Johns

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Hi,

We are using C-Kermit (version 5A 190) for OpenVMS, both
on the AXP and VAX platforms to automate file transfers
with several systems all running the same setup.

All file transmissions work fine except for .zip files.
All files are being transmitted using the "labeled" format.

.zip file transmissions completely "hang" the modems on
both ends with no system activity showing on either end
and it never times out or fails (causing some large phone bills!).

We are in the process of double checking all recommendations in
the C-Kermit documentation and CKVINS.DOC to see if there is
a system parameter that is causing our troubles, but wanted
to post to the Internet community to see if anyone has any
ideas or suggestions for us concerning this.

If this is not solved soon we will be investigating a more failproof
way to transmit files automatically.

All command procedures, etc have been taken out of the loop and a
straight log-on, initiate C-Kermit "server", drop back to the local
machine and do a C-Kermit "send" causes the "hang".  And every once
in a while, but not often, the problem file actually makes it to
where it is supposed to go (could be system activity related).

Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
	Erik Hatcher
--
		Erik Hatcher
     http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h

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In article <DJJnDs.Dpy@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) writes:
> We are using C-Kermit (version 5A 190) for OpenVMS, both
> on the AXP and VAX platforms to automate file transfers
> with several systems all running the same setup.
> 
> All file transmissions work fine except for .zip files.
> All files are being transmitted using the "labeled" format.
> 
> .zip file transmissions completely "hang" the modems on
> both ends with no system activity showing on either end
> and it never times out or fails (causing some large phone bills!).

  I'm the developer that put labeled mode support (and some other stuff) into
VMS C-Kermit. You need to do a SET DEBUG ON on both the sending and receiving
systems. That will log a great deal of status info. Then email me the debug
logs as well as the output from SHOW VERSION and I'll look at them and see
what's going on.

  [Note for others: I don't do much work with Kermit any more - this isn't a
blanket invitation for people to send me questions or bug reports - they should
go to the regular Kermit support address at Columbia.]

	Terry Kennedy		  Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	  St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
        +1 201 915 9381 (voice)   +1 201 435-3662 (FAX)

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From: SWHN62A@prodigy.com (Joseph Beasley iii)
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I am trying to connect a dos machine to a linux box via ethernet.  I have 
the packet drivers installed, but I get a message, "can't arp resolve the 
address". I can connect fine in windows using trumpet, but using the 
latest version of PC Kermit gives this error message.


JOSEPH BEASLEY III  SWHN62A@prodigy.com
http://pages.prodigy.com/TX/eagle


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And how to set "8th bit quote character " in Ckermit?
How to set "maximum packet size" in Ckermit?

I have looked at that book named 'Using Ckermit',
 and can not find the answer.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <4ap9b9$10oo@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>, SWHN62A@prodigy.com (Joseph Beasley iii) writes:
> I am trying to connect a dos machine to a linux box via ethernet.  I have 
> the packet drivers installed, but I get a message, "can't arp resolve the 
> address". I can connect fine in windows using trumpet, but using the 
> latest version of PC Kermit gives this error message.
-----------
	There are a couple of things which might cause this: Linux itself
and a bug in the MSK code if both network adapters are from the same vendor
(for gosh sakes). Some versions of Linux (I don't run it so please don't
ask me which versions etc) have broken ARP code. Much trouble over it.
	The MSK bug is an addition to deal with NDIS drivers which echo
packets being sent. Yes, that's right. To detect and discard them I compare
source MAC address with the machine's own MAC address and discard if they
match. Alas, the quick-compare code (it sees every incoming packet so it
must be really fast) stepped through three rather than six bytes of MAC
address by mistake, and the first three Ethernet bytes are the vendor code.
I meant well, I really did, scout's honor. It's not patchable I'm sorry to
say.
	If you will contact me personally, jrd@cc.usu.edu, let's see if we
can sort out the problem. Test question #1, while I grade final exams here,
is can you converse with a non-Linux machine? If so then that's a step in
the right direction. Extra credit is what happens if you change board vendor
in either machine.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <4apd4l$2og@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) writes:
> I sometimes use a VT100 emulation in a communications program called 
> Symphony which displays regular text as white letters on black background,
> bold text as green letters on black, reverse as black on cyan, and 
> reverse bold as white on cyan.  I like the effect, and I'd like to know 
> if it's possible to set the VT320 emulation of MSKermit 3.14 to use 
> different color combinations for bold and reverse like this.
----------
	The best we can offer is different coloring for
underlining/underscoring. That's command SET TERM COLOR UNDERSCORE digits
just like SET TERM COLOR digits. Bold is the opposite of "normal" and is
strictly an intensity affair in MSK as it is on real DEC terminals. Reverse
is reverse.
	Joe D.

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In article <4aqri6$1am@news.jhu.edu>,
Yuehong Zheng <yuehong@psi.ece.jhu.edu> wrote:
>And how to set "8th bit quote character " in Ckermit?
>
You only need to use 8th-bit quoting if you have a 7-bit
connection.  The way you tell C-Kermit about this is:

  SET PARITY EVEN

(or SET PARITY SPACE, etc -- any parity value other than NONE).
There is no command to choose what the 8th-bit prefix is.
The character '&' is always used for this.

>How to set "maximum packet size" in Ckermit?
>
Tell the file receiver to SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH <number>.

> I have looked at that book named 'Using Ckermit',
> and can not find the answer.
>
Try Chapters 6 and 8.

- Frank

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From: Jeff Heim <jheim@mitre.org>
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Subject: Problem with unixlogin
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I have a problem with the unixlogin
script.  I'm trying to invoke it from
a script, and sometimes it works, but
sometime it fails with: 

 No password prompt

If I leave off the password, and I'm
prompted for it, it always seems to work.

I'm using the Standard C-Kermit initialization
file for C-Kermit Version: 5A(190).  I'm trying
to login to a Sun from a DEC Alpha running VMS
through a Microcom modem at 38400.  I believe it
works better at slower speeds, but who wants to
run at slower speeds?

I'm sure it's me, but I tried checking the configuration
as much as I can and I'm at a loss.  The fact that it
sometimes works seems odd.

Thanks for any hints.

Jeff Heim
The Mitre Corporation




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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <4as689$dvv@linus.mitre.org>, Jeff Heim  <jheim@mitre.org> wrote:
>I have a problem with the unixlogin
>script.  I'm trying to invoke it from
>a script, and sometimes it works, but
>sometime it fails with: 
>
> No password prompt
>

The unixlogin macro definition waits 5 secs for the password prompt.
Try increasing that timeout period to 15 or 30 if needed.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
               * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
  C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html
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I have ckermit running on SCO3.2v4.2. And on the other end, I have a OS-9 
system running a communication program named DATAMAX, I am suppose to see a
a input screen as soon as I connected. I used a direct connection.

however, as soon as I issue a "connect", I saw a input screen , but quickly,
I was kicked out. And strangely enough, I saw the login screen 
of my own system!

Any idea?

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From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns)
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Subject: Uploading into EDT editor
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Can anyone tell me why I should be having trouble doing an ascii
upload into the EDT editor on a VAX/VMS system (using MS-Kermit 
3.14)?

Here's what happens.  With a normal DOS text file (end of line =
CR/LF), when I TRANSMIT the file, each line shows the character "M"
at the end, but the next line continues on the same line -- i.e.,
neither a CR nor an LF registers on the screen.  After the first few
lines, the transmission stops at each "M" and I have to hit enter
for the transmission to continue.  When the transmission is finished,
I can return to CONNECT mode and hit ^R (screen refresh) and the message
is there, all formatted properly, with no difference between the lines
at the beginning, where I didn't have to hit enter, and those further
down, where I did.

This is all with the stock SET TRANSMIT settings.  I've also played 
with those.  I've tried sending LF, with no visible effect.  Once 
I set the pause to 1000 milliseconds, and apparently froze Kermit
(I never got the command line prompt back).  

If I TRANSMIT into the standard VMS mail editor (send/noedit), the
message displays properly and I don't have to hit enter on each line.
The VMS terminal is set to VT100 (and I've tried VT100, VT102, VT220,
and VT320 in Kermit with no differences).  But using the standard
editor isn't an option because it allows only very short messages
(512 bytes?).

Also, I haven't had this problem with any of several other programs
I've used to contact this system over the years.

Any ideas?

David Johns
afn10375@afn.org

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From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons)
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Hi all,

  We dial in to a VMS account and there's no chance of getting anything
  set up on that end except kermit.  Is it possible to use our Linux box
  at home with cron and kermit to automatically send and receive the
  internet mail to and from our VMS account.   Thanks!  I'll summarize if
  response warrants.
--
Bake Timmons, III

-- "...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life
than some good memory..." -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky)

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor
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In article <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes:
> Can anyone tell me why I should be having trouble doing an ascii
> upload into the EDT editor on a VAX/VMS system (using MS-Kermit 
> 3.14)?
> 
> Here's what happens.  With a normal DOS text file (end of line =
> CR/LF), when I TRANSMIT the file, each line shows the character "M"
> at the end, but the next line continues on the same line -- i.e.,
> neither a CR nor an LF registers on the screen.  After the first few
> lines, the transmission stops at each "M" and I have to hit enter
> for the transmission to continue.  When the transmission is finished,
> I can return to CONNECT mode and hit ^R (screen refresh) and the message
> is there, all formatted properly, with no difference between the lines
> at the beginning, where I didn't have to hit enter, and those further
> down, where I did.
> 
> This is all with the stock SET TRANSMIT settings.  I've also played 
> with those.  I've tried sending LF, with no visible effect.  Once 
> I set the pause to 1000 milliseconds, and apparently froze Kermit
> (I never got the command line prompt back).  
> 
> If I TRANSMIT into the standard VMS mail editor (send/noedit), the
> message displays properly and I don't have to hit enter on each line.
> The VMS terminal is set to VT100 (and I've tried VT100, VT102, VT220,
> and VT320 in Kermit with no differences).  But using the standard
> editor isn't an option because it allows only very short messages
> (512 bytes?).
> 
> Also, I haven't had this problem with any of several other programs
> I've used to contact this system over the years.
> 
> Any ideas?
----------
	Your are placing new text into a full screen editor. EDT wants to
move the cursor around as a result, rather than simply echoing CR back
to MSK. Consequently, what EDT does echo comes out as one line overlapping
the next on your MSK screen, but the text is actually inserted properly.
This is typical of full screen editors when inserting material in the
middle (and sometimes even at the end) of a document. Just ignore the
false echoing and do that screen refresh after reentering Connect mode.
	Joe D.

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From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews)
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Subject: Re: Backspace don't work?
Date: 12 Dec 1995 16:37:23 GMT
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Jeff Tomich (jtomich@news.IntNet.net) wrote:
: When I'm at my unix shell prompt the backspace doesn't work, although it 
: works fine when I'm in my mail reader, etc...
: 

In your startup script (.cshrc, .login, .profile, as the case may be)
try
	stty erase ^H

or

	stty erase ^"?"

One will probably work.  Initially try it from the command line.

-- 
Rick Matthews                     matthews@wfu.edu            Ham radio:
Wake Forest University            910-759-5340   (Voice)      WA4GSP
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From: billiotte@cgi.ensmp.fr (J. Billiotte)
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Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 & Net/windoze setup
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In article <m2u43dsbz9.fsf@nevyn.realize.com.au>, bruce@nevyn.realize.com.auN 
says...
>
>
>Is there a FAQ that deals with MSkermit3.14 networks, and
>windoze ?.
>
>My setup is
>
>        NDIS
>  ------------------
>DIS_PKT9        MSTCP32
>WINPKT
>  ------------------
>        Windoze 3.11
>

I use the following configuration and I am very happy of it:


MS kermit 3.14       Any Windows'
or telnet NCSA       Applications

NDISPKT3             MSTCP32
---------------------------------
    Adaptateur NDIS3

The only disagrement is to use of different IP numbers for NDISPKT3 and 
MSTCP32. I forget the ftp address of NDISPKT3 package. But I have the address 
of the creator: ddl@harvard.edu

Best regards
_____________________________________________________________
Joel Billiotte                        billiotte@cgi.ensmp.fr
Centre de Geologie de l'Inginieur - Ecole des Mines de Paris
tel : (33) 1 40 51 91 67             fax: (33) 1 43 26 36 56
_____________________________________________________________
Ce message est emis a titre personnel et n'engage pas l'Ecole
des Mines de Paris// This message reflects my own opinion and
does not engage the Ecole des Mines de Paris.


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From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
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Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor
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In <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:

#         Your are placing new text into a full screen editor. EDT
#   wants to move the cursor around as a result, rather than
#   simply echoing CR back to MSK. Consequently, what EDT does
#   echo comes out as one line overlapping the next on your MSK
#   screen, but the text is actually inserted properly. This is
#   typical of full screen editors when inserting material in the
#   middle (and sometimes even at the end) of a document. Just
#   ignore the false echoing and do that screen refresh after
#   reentering Connect mode.

OK, but what about having to keep hitting <enter> to keep the upload
going?  Does that ring any bells?

David Johns

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From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu
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Subject: Two Quick questions
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1. The Dos version I am using is  3.14 beta 18.  Is there any reason to 
get a later version? If yes please point me to the correct directory at 
columbia

2.  I am helping someone who has a Sinclair QL computer connect to the 
Net.  I would prefer to teach them to use kermit.  The last time I looked 
a very old version of kermit had been compiled for the QL.  Has a newer 
version been made for the Sinclair QL?  (One that has similair ablities to 
my MSkermit and Ckermit)  Again, please point me to the directory

Thanks guys for all your help.

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From: Alan Wilder <SarGov@ix.netcom.com>
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Hi.  Thank you for taking the time to look at my question.

Would there be any reason why I couldn't use KERMIT on a 28.8 modem?
Are there any speacial parameters I would need to set?

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From: randyd@crl.com (Randy Ding)
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Thanks Frank and Joe for K95!  Its terrific!

I have two small questions..

I am running Windows NT 3.51 patch 2, using RAS to a PPP server,
Zoom V.34 modem on com3 (int 5), 
K95 v1.1.1

(a) how do you keep telnet from auto connecting, example...

define TELCRL,-
  telnet crl.com,-     ; this requires an alt-X to continue?
  input 15 {ogin:},-
  if success goto telcrl1,-
  output \13,-
  input 10 {ogin:},-
  if fail goto telcrl2,-
  :TELCRL1,-
  output randyd\13,-
  input 10 {assword:},-
  if fail goto telcrl2,-
  output mypasswd\13,-
  :TELCRL2,-
  connect

(b) I first used Kermit 3.14 under NT.  When the modem is on com3
    it will not echo any characters to the screen, however it
    communicates just fine, ex: atz resets the modem and atdt dials.
    Moving the modem to com2 fixes the problem.

    I used msdos Kermit for many years on com3 with the non-standard
    interrupt (under dos) and think this is an NT Command-Shell problem.
    Is this what you believe?

Thank you very much..

Randy.
randyd@crl.com





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In article <4aua85$f52@huron.eel.ufl.edu>,
David A. Johns <afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu> wrote:
: In <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:
: 
: #   You are placing new text into a full screen editor. EDT
: #   wants to move the cursor around as a result, rather than
: #   simply echoing CR back to MSK. Consequently, what EDT does
: #   echo comes out as one line overlapping the next on your MSK
: #   screen, but the text is actually inserted properly. This is
: #   typical of full screen editors when inserting material in the
: #   middle (and sometimes even at the end) of a document. Just
: #   ignore the false echoing and do that screen refresh after
: #   reentering Connect mode.
: 
: OK, but what about having to keep hitting <enter> to keep the upload
: going?  Does that ring any bells?
: 
Unless you use the SET TRANSMIT command to change things, the TRANSMIT
command works by reading a line of text from the source file, stripping
the line terminator(s) from it, then sending the line of text, then
sending a carriage return, and then waiting for a linefeed to echo back.
This simulates exactly what would happen if you were typing the lines
of text yourself.

Kermit waits a pretty long long time (not sure exactly how long in the
case of MS-DOS Kermit) for the linefeed to echo, so if the host does not
always echo a linefeed, as evidently EDT does not, there will be a lot of
inactivity.  MS-DOS Kermit lets you wake up a stuck TRANSMIT by hitting
the enter key.

Let's see what's really happening.  Log into VMS, start EDT, then escape
back to MS-DOS Kermit and put it into debugging mode with SET DEBUG
SESSION.  Then start typing lines into EDT's buffer.  What do we see?
The first 20 lines or so are echoed as:

  <text><CR><LF><ESC>[L

(<ESC>[L is "insert line", which moves the "[EOB]" indicator down.)  Old
lines stand still, new lines "go down".  Kermit sees the linefeed and
immediately sends the next line.

But then, when the bottom of the screen is reached, EDT's screen updating
method changes.  From now it sends explicit screen-formatting codes and
no more linefeeds.  Old lines "go up", and the new line is always at the
bottom, just above the "[EOB]".  This explains the symptoms you have seen.

Thus there is no single character that can be used by Kermit to serve as
an indicator that the line just transmitted has been received.  Linefeed
only works for the first screen.  You could try ESC, but after the first
screen there are several ESC characters per line.  So first just try:

  set transmit prompt \0

which means, don't wait for any character -- just keep sending the lines
(make sure you've got good flow control).  I tried it here on a file that
has several hundred lines and EDT accepted it without loss or complaint.

But in case this overruns EDT, then you can also "set transmit pause n"
to have Kermit pause n milliseconds after sending each line.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: k95 telnet, msk3.14/com3 on NT
Date: 16 Dec 1995 22:47:38 GMT
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In article <4at2gh$e75@crl.crl.com>, Randy Ding <randyd@crl.com> wrote:
>I am running Windows NT 3.51 patch 2, using RAS to a PPP server,
>Zoom V.34 modem on com3 (int 5), K95 v1.1.1
>
>(a) how do you keep telnet from auto connecting, example...
>
>define TELCRL,-
>  telnet crl.com,-     ; this requires an alt-X to continue?
>
Don't say "telnet", say "set host".  "telnet blah" is equivalent
to "set host blah" followed by "if success connect".

>(b) I first used Kermit 3.14 under NT.  When the modem is on com3
>    it will not echo any characters to the screen, however it
>    communicates just fine, ex: atz resets the modem and atdt dials.
>    Moving the modem to com2 fixes the problem.
>
>    I used msdos Kermit for many years on com3 with the non-standard
>    interrupt (under dos) and think this is an NT Command-Shell problem.
>    Is this what you believe?
>
I think the standard advice about "can talk but not listen syndrome"
from the KERMIT.BWR file applies here -- the most likely cause is that
Kermit is listening on one interrupt and the port (or in this case, the
"port simulator" that the NT driver presents to Kermit) is using another.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.951215222933.9372A-100000@bingsun2-gw>,
 <br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu> wrote:
>1. The Dos version I am using is  3.14 beta 18.  Is there any reason to 
>get a later version? If yes please point me to the correct directory at 
>columbia
>
You can always get current information from our Web site:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

Yes, the current version is 3.14, not Beta -- it's always better to go
with a real release than a beta.

>2.  I am helping someone who has a Sinclair QL computer connect to the 
>Net.  I would prefer to teach them to use kermit.  The last time I looked 
>a very old version of kermit had been compiled for the QL.  Has a newer 
>version been made for the Sinclair QL?  (One that has similair ablities to 
>my MSkermit and Ckermit)  Again, please point me to the directory
>
No, sorry.  There are two versions of Kermit for the Sinclair QL.  Both
date from May 1987.  They are in the kermit/c/ area in our archive.
Just get all the files in that directory whose names start with "ql" and
you'll have both versions.  It is highly unlikely that they have the same
level of functionality as MS-DOS Kermit.

- Frank

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In article <30D314BB.38F2@ix.netcom.com>,
Alan Wilder  <SarGov@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Would there be any reason why I couldn't use KERMIT on a 28.8 modem?
>
None whatsoever.

>Are there any speacial parameters I would need to set?
>
See our FAQ for greater details:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

Very briefly:

 . Set 57600 bps or 115200 bps as the interface speed on your PC
   and on your modem and "fix" it.

 . Use RTS/CTS flow control.

 . Enable error correction and compression in the modem.

For fast Kermit file transfers, use a fairly big window size and packet
size.  Full details in the FAQ.

- Frank

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From: rdd@access1.digex.net (R. D. Davis)
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Subject: Help needed with using scripts to send escape character
Date: 16 Dec 1995 17:03:59 -0500
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While setting up a utility to automate file transfers, using c-kermit
(UNIX version) I ran into a problem: I couldn't figure how to automate
the sending of an escape sequence.  More specifically, after puting
the remote kermit into server mode, I can't figure out how to avoid
manually entering an escape sequence ( ctrl-\ c ) so that the script
running from the other kermit could begin sending commands to the
server.

Also, I noticed that help shows that there's a "remote kermit command"
command, but I got an error message indicating that this wasn't
implemented.  

Thanks in advance for any information that anyone can provide about
any of the above questions!

-- 
R. D. Davis  *  http://www.access.digex.net/~rdd    \Computer preservationist. 
Home: +1 410 744-7964 * Eccentrics have more fun! :-)\Unwanted systems gladly
Unconventional Computer Consulting & PERQ Software,   \disassembled, removed 
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I am trying to use C-Kermit beetween two HP unix systems.  I can use my 
"sz/rz" zmodem programs OK if I am communicating over modem, but not if I 
telnet beetween the hosts.  I get errors, and I have never gotten it to 
work.  Are there any parameters to set when using telnet.

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In article <1995Dec6.152006.68951@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote:

>	Note that a formal Kermit protocol file transfer is vastly superior
>to the approach of "transparent printing" (aka, send and hope it gets there
>without overruns/losses/whatnot). 

    Without a doubt!  I was never able to get ANSI printing to work
    properly-- even though I had flow control working properly (far as
    I knew), chunks of material were lost in the transmission.  Finally
    I set up Pine and Tin (when I was using those) to pipe the article/
    mail into (C-Kermit 190) 'kermit -s - -a prn'.  Works like a charm.

                                        Jeff

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Subject: Re: Help needed with using scripts to send escape character
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In article <4avfof$cv3@access1.digex.net>,
R. D. Davis <rdd@access1.digex.net> wrote:
: While setting up a utility to automate file transfers, using c-kermit
: (UNIX version) I ran into a problem: I couldn't figure how to automate
: the sending of an escape sequence.  More specifically, after puting
: the remote kermit into server mode, I can't figure out how to avoid
: manually entering an escape sequence ( ctrl-\ c ) so that the script
: running from the other kermit could begin sending commands to the
: server.
: 

I'd be tempted to add this question and answer to our FAQ if it were not
clearly explained in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", chapters 11-13 on
script programming, particularly pages 276-277.  Here's a hint -- if
you're writing an automated procedure that runs by itself, don't put the
CONNECT command in it.  Use the OUTPUT and INPUT commands instead.  (And
if it's a TCP/IP connection, use the SET HOST command instead of the
TELNET command.)

  Time out for a commercial message (not aimed personally at the
  poster or any other individual).  The Kermit Project is funded ONLY
  by the income it generates, primarily from sales of the printed
  manuals.  Kermit's script language is like any other programming
  language -- C, Fortran, Pascal, PL/I, Visual Basic, etc; you
  wouldn't think of learning how to program in any of those languages
  without a manual.

Thanks to the phenomenal growth of the Internet and the easy accessibility
of Kermit software to everyone in the world, more people are using our
software than ever before, and fewer than ever are doing their part to
support the Kermit Project -- and to help themselves get the most out of
the software -- by purchasing the manuals.  Our help-desk workload is
skyrocketing while our income takes a nosedive.  We'd like to continue our
work, but this trend is ominous.

For information about the Kermit software manuals and how to get them,
see our Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

and more specifically:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html

And if you don't have a Web browser:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/booklist.doc

: Also, I noticed that help shows that there's a "remote kermit command"
: command, but I got an error message indicating that this wasn't
: implemented.  
: 
It's implemented in the C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit clients, but it also
needs to be implemented in the Kermit server on the other end.  To date,
the only Kermit program that implements the server end of "remote kermit"
is IBM Mainframe Kermit.  You can generally accomplish the same things
using other commands, like REMOTE SET and other client/server-oriented
commands, also documented in the manual.

- Frank

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Subject: Re: Kermit on 28.8 modem
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Alan Wilder (SarGov@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Hi.  Thank you for taking the time to look at my question.

: Would there be any reason why I couldn't use KERMIT on a 28.8 modem?
: Are there any speacial parameters I would need to set?

As compared to what?
If you were using Kermit on a 14.4 modem, and doing well, then the only
thing you should investigate is the _fixed_ baud rate to the modem.
I find that since most of my transfers are .zip files, a speed over 57600
doesn't improve anything.

If you've never used kermit, make sure you read the reference material
regarding improved performance.

Remember that Kermit works quite well on XT-8088, at 1200 baud.
It can be made to work better than the default parameters, if you have the
hardware to support higher throughput.

My 28.8 Practical Peripherals is quite happy under Win95, MSKermit 3.14.

(I saw my Kermit-95 show up on my credit card, so I suppose I'll be
receiving it soon ;-)

-- 
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                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:

#   Thus there is no single character that can be used by Kermit
#   to serve as an indicator that the line just transmitted has
#   been received.  Linefeed only works for the first screen.  You
#   could try ESC, but after the first screen there are several
#   ESC characters per line.  So first just try:
#
#     set transmit prompt \0
#
#   which means, don't wait for any character -- just keep sending
#   the lines (make sure you've got good flow control).  I tried
#   it here on a file that has several hundred lines and EDT
#   accepted it without loss or complaint.
#
#   But in case this overruns EDT, then you can also "set transmit
#   pause n" to have Kermit pause n milliseconds after sending
#   each line.

Zowie!  It works!

Thanks a million.

David Johns


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Problem has been solved.  And I'm embarrased to
say all I needed to do was...

	set flow none

on the sending end.

	Erik

In article <DJJnDs.Dpy@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
Erik Hatcher <esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>We are using C-Kermit (version 5A 190) for OpenVMS, both
>on the AXP and VAX platforms to automate file transfers
>with several systems all running the same setup.
>
>All file transmissions work fine except for .zip files.
>All files are being transmitted using the "labeled" format.
>
>.zip file transmissions completely "hang" the modems on
>both ends with no system activity showing on either end
>and it never times out or fails (causing some large phone bills!).
>
>We are in the process of double checking all recommendations in
>the C-Kermit documentation and CKVINS.DOC to see if there is
>a system parameter that is causing our troubles, but wanted
>to post to the Internet community to see if anyone has any
>ideas or suggestions for us concerning this.
>
>If this is not solved soon we will be investigating a more failproof
>way to transmit files automatically.
>
>All command procedures, etc have been taken out of the loop and a
>straight log-on, initiate C-Kermit "server", drop back to the local
>machine and do a C-Kermit "send" causes the "hang".  And every once
>in a while, but not often, the problem file actually makes it to
>where it is supposed to go (could be system activity related).
>
>Any and all help is greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>	Erik Hatcher
>--
>		Erik Hatcher
>     http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h


--
		Erik Hatcher
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In comp.protocols.kermit.misc on 15 Dec 95 16:50:02 MDT,
jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>In article <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes:
[...]
>> If I TRANSMIT into the standard VMS mail editor (send/noedit), the
>> message displays properly and I don't have to hit enter on each line.
>> The VMS terminal is set to VT100 (and I've tried VT100, VT102, VT220,
>> and VT320 in Kermit with no differences).  But using the standard
>> editor isn't an option because it allows only very short messages
>> (512 bytes?).

If I remember right, in the standard VMS mail editor, you
need to press <Enter> at the end of each line.  Then your
messages can be as long as you like.

If you *don't* hit enter at the end of each line, then there
is a line-limit of 512 characters.



Ken
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-- 
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Robust than any other protocol that is available for 
hundreds of incompatible platforms!  [works on nearly ALL computers!]
FTP: kermit.columbia.edu  WWW: www.columbia.edu

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>>>>> "JA" == Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> writes:

JA> If your application is a DEC VMS app or understands the DEC UpScreen 
JA> and DownScreen keys try assigning \Kupscn and \Kdnscn to the appropriate
JA> keys.

JA> If you application is something like emacs with its own Command 
JA> sequences, assign the command sequence as the SET KEY definition.

N.B.:  Emacs understands the DEC UpScreen and DownScreen keys if your
termcap entry is for a DEC-type terminal (vtxxx).  That's true for GNU
emacs 19.xx, at least; probably not for emacs 18.
-- 
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Hi all--
   Following the instructions in KERMIT.BWR got my WordPerfect 5.1 on
SCO SV386 3.2v4.1 running smoothly. BUT...can someone tell me why
removing the VT320 reset from WordPerfect's terminal initialization
string should keep MS-Kermit 3.14 from switching character-writing
direction? (This was my symptom, anyway).
Also, what changed across 3.13-3.14 to cause this to be
necessary? Incidentally, for the umpteenth time, thanks to da Cruz,
Gianone, Doupnik and the cast of thousands who made Kermit.
+------------------------------+----------------------------------------+
| Just another roller-bearing  | Nick Geovanis     U54294@uicvm.uic.edu |
| ...in the Data Warehouse     |     Unix software and sysadmin         |
+------------------------------+----------------------------------------+

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I am running c-kermit on a SPARC 2, SunOS 4.1.  
It is echoing back all of the characters that 
are typed (vveerryy hhaarrdd ttoo rreeaadd).  
I've tried setting echo off using stty -echo, 
and setting echo to local.  Neither worked.  
Has anyone had this problem, and if so, how do 
I fix it? Thanks,
Terry



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Unix WordPerfect and MSKerm3.14
Date: 19 Dec 1995 14:52:05 GMT
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In article <95352.095758U54294@uicvm.uic.edu>,
<U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> wrote:
> Following the instructions in KERMIT.BWR got my WordPerfect 5.1 on
> SCO SV386 3.2v4.1 running smoothly. BUT...can someone tell me why
> removing the VT320 reset from WordPerfect's terminal initialization
> string should keep MS-Kermit 3.14 from switching character-writing
> direction? (This was my symptom, anyway).
>
Our first attempt, circa 1990, at implementing a mechanism by which the
host could control the terminal emulator was the "TERMINALR/TERMINALS"
macros, which could be invoked by a high-numbered escape sequence we
thought would be safe:

 ESC [ 34 h / l

Before choosing this sequence we not only researched the DEC technical
manuals, but also made numerous frustrating attempts to contact the
authority within DEC that was in charge of assigning new escape sequences
to ensure that DEC did not have any plans for this one, and request that
they reserve it for us.  We were never able to locate the right people.
So, perhaps unwisely, we went forward with this feature, and the UNIX and
VMS WordPerfect used this feature heavily to dynamically switch key maps.

As luck (or Murphy's Law) would have it, DEC subsequently picked this same
sequence to control screen-writing direction in its Hebrew-model
terminals, and later this sequence found its way into many applications
that had nothing to do with Hebrew, as a standard part of the terminal
initialization.  Soon, users of diverse VMS applications such as DECnotes,
All-In-1, etc, began to report that whenever they started up these
applications, strange things would happen: a file would begin to transfer,
their key map would change, etc.  In fact, these were the actions defined
in their TERMINALR macros.

So we had to give up on the TERMINALS/TERMINALR mechanism in version 3.14
and adopted the far more flexible APC mechanism, and changed Kermit to
treat the former TERMINALS/R escape sequence as a screen-writing direction
changer.  So now users of the "old" WordPerfect and the new Kermit were
in for a new surprise -- their screens would come out backwards!

In short, both Kermit and WordPerfect had to be changed to get around the
conflict between the two uses for the same escape sequence.

The tale is told in the KERMIT.BWR file for version 3.14, in the
Incompatibilities section, and the new APC mechanism is documented in the
KERMIT.UPD file, Section 10.

> Incidentally, for the umpteenth time, thanks to da Cruz,
> Gianone, Doupnik and the cast of thousands who made Kermit.
>
On behalf of all of us, you're very welcome!

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <NEWTNews.819335323.13920.tfirmin@ghand.smart.net>,
 <tfirmin@ghand.smart.net> wrote:
: I am running c-kermit on a SPARC 2, SunOS 4.1.  
: It is echoing back all of the characters that 
: are typed (vveerryy hhaarrdd ttoo rreeaadd).  
: I've tried setting echo off using stty -echo, 
: and setting echo to local.  Neither worked.  
: Has anyone had this problem, and if so, how do 
: I fix it?
: 
Does the double echoing occur in command mode
or CONNECT mode?  Or both?  Does it happen only
in C-Kermit, or does it also happen at the
shell prompt?  Does it occur on the Sun's own
workstation screen, or are you coming in to the
Sun from some other terminal or emulator?

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Announcing Kermit 95 Version 1.1.2
Date: 20 Dec 1995 00:40:51 GMT
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This is to announce version 1.1.2 of Kermit 95, which is being issued as
a patch to the earlier releases.

Kermit 95 is full-featured 32-bit native communications software for
Windows 95 and Windows NT 3.51 (Intel platforms only).

Kermit 95 is:

 . A serial communications program
 . A Telnet client
 . (and now...) An Rlogin client

Offering:

 . VT320/220/102/100/52 and ANSI terminal emulation
 . Screen rollback, key mapping, colors, printer & mouse functions
 . Kermit, ZMODEM, YMODEM, YMODEM-G, and XMODEM file transfer
 . A powerful script programming language
 . Character set translation for many character sets
 . Long filenames, multithreading, Winsock compatibility, etc
 . Comprehensive manuals

For features and performance, Kermit 95 surpasses all the other Windows 95
and NT communications software we've looked at: QmodemPro, WinQVT,
NetTerm, CRT, HyperTerminal, EWAN, SimpTerm, and Microsoft Telnet.  A
feature-by- feature comparison chart of all these packages is included at
the end of this message.

Kermit 95 version 1.1.2 is available now.  It includes the following new
features:

 . RLOGIN connections
 . Meridian Technology SuperLAT connections
 . 32-bit ("thunking") Trumpet Winsock connections now supported
 . 32-bit FTP Software OnNet-32 connections now supported

Plus numerous minor new features as well as bug fixes including:

 . Vertical scrolling problem in Dialer fixed
 . ANSWER command (for answering modem calls) fixed
 . Compose key (Alt-C) fixed
 . SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT fixed to display characters 0x80-0x9F
 . Various other VT emulation fixes resulting in a perfect(*) VTTEST score
 . Various printer-related fixes
 . Various XYZMODEM-related fixes
 . Ctrl-C can now interrupt stuck file transfers, server mode, etc
 . Setting title bar from "kermit -j host" fixed

The new READ.ME and BUGS.DOC file that come with version 1.1.2 explain all
the changes and fixes in detail.

If you already have Kermit 95 1.1 or 1.1.1 installed, you may download and
apply the patches to upgrade to version 1.1.2:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/k95/patches/
  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html

The relevant files are:

  patch.doc      Brief explanation of the patching procedure
  patch.exe      The program to apply the patches
  w110-112.rtp   The patch from version 1.1 to 1.1.2
  w110-112.rtd   Additional info for the 1.1-to-1.1.2 patch
  w111-112.rtp   The patch from version 1.1.1 to 1.1.2
  w111-112.rtd   Additional info for the 1.1.1-to-1.1.2 patch

If you have an UNZIP program the patches for each upgrade patch are
available as ZIP files:

  w110-112.zip   From 1.1   to 1.1.2
  w111-112.zip   From 1.1.1 to 1.1.2

Or call our BBS to get the patch files.  Registered users have the phone
number and a login ID.

If you don't have Kermit 95 and would like to order it or find out more
about it, just visit our Web site:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

And now here is the feature and performance comparison chart.  This chart
is also available at our Web site, with hot links from each VTTEST score to
the corresponding detailed score sheet:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95compare.html.

For evaluating VT100/102 terminal emulators, a new scoring system was
developed for the VTTEST program.  Kermit 95 passes every single test(*),
compared to some surprisingly low scores for other VT emulators.

(*) Except the host-controlled keyboard autorepeat test, which no PC
    software supports, and with some noted problems in 132-column mode in
    Windows 95 only (not Windows NT) due to a bug in the Windows 95 console
    driver that cannot be worked around.

Host:         Sun Sparcserver 10, SunOS 4.1.3.
Client:       IBM PC 750 P90, Windows 95.
Connection:   Telnet via 10MB Ethernet, client and server on same net.

Ripple test:  Seconds to scroll 1000 80-character lines on an 80x24 screen.
VTTEST score: 1 point for each of 100 tests, plus up to 10 extra-credit points.

PROGRAM:           K-95   QMPro   CRT SimpTerm EWAN  NetTerm WinQVT MSTelnet1.0
VERSION:           1.1.2   2.0   1.0B7  0.9.4  1.052   2.7   4.0    Win95 WinNT

VTTEST score        105[a] 46     71     61     33     25[b]  59    28[c] 25[c]
Ripple test, sec    4      3      11     13     4      21     16     13     8

CHARACTERISTICS
                    K95   QMPro   CRT SimpTerm EWAN  NetTerm WinQVT  MS Telnet
32-bit              yes    yes    yes    yes    no     yes    yes    yes    yes
Long file names     yes    yes    yes    yes    no     yes    yes    n/a    n/a
Multithread         yes    yes    no     no     no     no     no     no     no
Scripting           yes    yes    no     no     no     no     [d]    no     no
Preloaded sites     200+   6      0      0      0      400+   0      0      0

CONNECTION
                    K95   QMPro   CRT SimpTerm EWAN  NetTerm WinQVT  MS Telnet
Serial connections  yes    yes    no     no     no     [b]    yes    no     no
TAPI supported      no     yes    n/a    n/a    n/a    ?      no     n/a    n/a
Works without TAPI  yes    no     n/a    n/a    n/a    ?      n/a    n/a    n/a
Telnet              yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    yes
Incoming Telnet     yes    no     no     no     no     no     ?      no     no
Rlogin              yes    no     yes    yes    no     no     yes    no     no
SOCKS               no     no     yes    no     no     no     ?      no     no
Runs in Win 95      yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    -
Runs in Win NT      yes    no     yes    yes    yes    ?      yes    -      yes

TERMINAL EMULATION
                    K95   QMPro   CRT SimpTerm EWAN  NetTerm WinQVT  MS Telnet
VT52                yes    yes    no     yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    yes
VT100               yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    yes
VT102               yes    yes    yes    no     no     no     yes    no     no
VT220               yes    yes    no     no     no     [e]    yes    no     no
VT320               yes    yes    no     no     no     no     no     no     no
ANSI                yes    yes    no     yes    yes    yes    yes    [e]    [e]
Scrollback lines    2000K  32K    10K    32K    32K    32K    75?    0      0
132 column mode     yes    [f]    yes    yes    no     yes    yes    no     no
Double h/w chars    [g]    no     yes    no     no     no     yes    no     no
Resize              yes    [f]    yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    ?      yes
NAWS                yes    [f]    yes    yes    yes    ?      yes    no     no
Colors              yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    yes    [h]    [h]
Transparent print   yes    [i]    no     no     yes    yes    yes    no     no
Autoprint           yes    no     no     no     no     yes    yes    no     no
Key mapping         yes    yes    [j]    [j]    yes    yes    yes    no     no
Compose key         yes    no     no     no     no     no     no     no     no
Latin-1             yes    [k]    no     no     yes    no     [L]    yes    yes
Other Roman         yes    [k]    no     no     no     no     [L]    no     no
Cyrillic            yes    [k]    no     no     no     no     no     no     no
Hebrew              yes    [k]    no     no     no     no     no     no     no
Chinese/Japanese    no     [k]    no     yes    no     no     no     no     no

FILE TRANSFER
                    K95   QMPro   CRT SimpTerm EWAN  NetTerm WinQVT  MS Telnet
Text/binary choice  yes    no     no     no     n/a    no     yes    n/a    n/a
Kermit protocol     yes    [m]    no     [n]    no     [o]    yes    no     no
Kermit autodownload yes    no     no     yes    n/a    no     no     n/a    n/a
ZMODEM protocol     yes    yes    [n]    [n]    no     yes    no     no     no
ZMODEM autodownload yes    yes    yes    yes    n/a    no     n/a    n/a    n/a
YMODEM protocol     yes    yes    no     no     no     no     no     no     no
YMODEM-G protocol   yes    yes    no     no     no     no     no     no     no
XMODEM protocol     yes    yes    no     no     no     no     no     no     no
Max Kermit packet   9024   [m]    n/a    2048   n/a    n/a    1024   n/a    n/a
Max Kermit window   32     [m]    n/a    1      n/a    n/a    1      n/a    n/a
Latin1              yes    [m]    n/a    no     n/a    no     no     n/a    n/a
Other Roman         yes    [m]    n/a    no     n/a    no     no     n/a    n/a
Cyrillic            yes    [m]    n/a    no     n/a    no     no     n/a    n/a
Hebrew              yes    [m]    n/a    no     n/a    no     no     n/a    n/a
Japanese            yes    [m]    n/a    no     n/a    no     no     n/a    n/a

PRICING
                    K95   QMPro   CRT SimpTerm EWAN  NetTerm WinQVT  MS Telnet
Single-copy price   $54    $99    $30    [p]    [q]    $20+10 $40+5  [r]    [r]
Academic license    yes    no     [s]    n/a    [q]    ?      [s]    [r]    [r]
Bulk license        yes    [s]    [s]    n/a    [q]    ?      [s]    [r]    [r]
Printed manual      yes    yes    no     no     no     yes    ?      no     no

NOTES:

[a] In Windows NT 3.51.  In Windows 95, a Microsoft console driver bug
    prevents proper writing of attributes to 132-column windows; this lowers
    the score by 17 points because although 132-column windows are handled
    correctly, the attributes are wrong.  When Microsoft fixes the bug, Kermit
    95 will display attributes correctly in 132-column windows as it does now
    in Windows NT.
[b] Crashes
[c] Character-set test puts it into graphics mode, can't be reset,
    must be restarted to finish other tests.
[d] Minimal, only two operations.
[e] Claims to support this emulation but does not.
[f] Not host selectable.
    132-column mode, once entered, can never go back to 80-column mode.
    Responses to resize requests are incorrect when in 132-column mode.
[g] Simulated with correct spacing
[h] Foreground or background color selectable, but not both.
[i] It's an option, but nothing comes out of the printer.
[j] Only function ( F ) keys can be mapped
[k] All character translations must be supplied by user
[L] DEC MCS is the default terminal character set; Latin-1 and ISO 646 German
    fonts are available to registered users on request.
[m] Kermit protocol doesn't work
[n] Download only, upload not available
[o] Hangs Windows 95, requires reboot
[p] Freeware with contributions encouraged.
[q] Freeware with support contract available at $495 per year.
[r] Bundled with Windows.
[s] Additional licensing terms available only on request.

Maximum scrollback lines are what the program permits, but the actual usable
amount depends on the PC's available physical memory and swap space.

Feel free to run your own comparisons.  If you find errors in this report,
please report them by email to kermit@columbia.edu.

Frank da Cruz and Christine Gianone
Managers, the Kermit Project
Columbia University, New York City

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In Article<4b6jt9$6ql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> 
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> From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
> Subject: Re: kermit echo problem
> Date: 19 Dec 1995 14:57:45 GMT
> Organization: Columbia University
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> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu
> 
> In article <NEWTNews.819335323.13920.tfirmin@ghand.smart.net>,
>  <tfirmin@ghand.smart.net> wrote:
> : I am running c-kermit on a SPARC 2, SunOS 4.1.  
> : It is echoing back all of the characters that 
> : are typed (vveerryy hhaarrdd ttoo rreeaadd).  
> : I've tried setting echo off using stty -echo, 
> : and setting echo to local.  Neither worked.  
> : Has anyone had this problem, and if so, how do 
> : I fix it?
> : 
> Does the double echoing occur in command mode
> or CONNECT mode?  Or both?  

connect only

> Does it happen only
> in C-Kermit, or does it also happen at the
> shell prompt?  

only in c-kermit

> Does it occur on the Sun's own
> workstation screen, or are you coming in to the
> Sun from some other terminal or emulator?
> 

I am using xterm on a Sparc 2 to connect to another sun
running Solaris

> - Frank

Terry



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Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor
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In article <4avhuo$f6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> But in case this overruns EDT, then you can also "set transmit pause n"
> to have Kermit pause n milliseconds after sending each line.
> 

Another trick, on the VMS side, is to hit ctrl-z and put EDT in line
mode (or leave it in line mode, if you're already there) and type 
INSERT at the * prompt.  The cursor will appear to indent, and you can
do a transmit.  When you're done, hit ctrl-z and you are returned to the
*.

EDT seems to be far less likely to overrun in insert mode than when 
running in full screen mode.  Actually, this also works better than
just doing $ CREATE filename and doing a transmit -- from work, with a
network connection, I get overruns trying that (works from home with
a slower connection, though).

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From: Gunnar.Magnusson@data.slu.se (Gunnar Magnusson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit and Trumpet Winsock together
Date: 19 Dec 1995 18:29:58 GMT
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It seems to me that it is works running Kermit and Trumpet Winsock (tested ver 2.0B), both using a packet driver.
When running Kermit in a DOS-window you must have Winsock programs inactive (for example not fetching mail with Eudora or having Netscape inactive) and vice versa.
Have other people the same experience?
Can anybody explain more exactly when and why things go wrong?



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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor
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In article <4aua85$f52@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
> In <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:
> 
> #         Your are placing new text into a full screen editor. EDT
> #   wants to move the cursor around as a result, rather than
> #   simply echoing CR back to MSK. Consequently, what EDT does
> #   echo comes out as one line overlapping the next on your MSK
> #   screen, but the text is actually inserted properly. This is
> #   typical of full screen editors when inserting material in the
> #   middle (and sometimes even at the end) of a document. Just
> #   ignore the false echoing and do that screen refresh after
> #   reentering Connect mode.
> 
> OK, but what about having to keep hitting <enter> to keep the upload
> going?  Does that ring any bells?
-----------
	I'm not sure where this is leading us. To see what EDT responds
please turn on logging (LOG SESSION). Its responses vary depending on
where one is in the screen (middle, bottom) and whether material follows
the insertion point, full screen or line editing mode, etc.
	I use EVE (super EDT) a lot, and I put material into it from the
Kermit TRANSMIT command several times per day. I press ENTER to keep it
going if the editor is being cute with cursor work. That is hardly a bother
to me. To avoid all such problems use a line-mode editing system, for which
the TRANSMIT command was designed. Yeah, I can hear the groans, so press
the ENTER key and let's get on with the job at hand.
	Joe D. 

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Subject: Resetting screen attributes
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Using Kermit 3.14, I connect to an IBM host thru a protocol converter.
I Kexit out of that session and start a second session to a UnixWare 
host.  Both sessions startup OK.  When I switch back to the Unixware 
host, I 'take wpunix.ini' to reset all key definitions.  When I switch 
between the 2, the screen attributes on the Unixware host are messed up. 
Instead of horizontal and vertical lines, I get garbage characters in 
their place.  How can I fix this?



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: kermit echo problem
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In article <NEWTNews.819416482.32170.tfirmin@ghand.smart.net>,
 <tfirmin@ghand.smart.net> wrote:
: In Article<4b6jt9$6ql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
: <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: > In article <NEWTNews.819335323.13920.tfirmin@ghand.smart.net>,
: >  <tfirmin@ghand.smart.net> wrote:
: > : I am running c-kermit on a SPARC 2, SunOS 4.1.  
: > : It is echoing back all of the characters that 
: > : are typed (vveerryy hhaarrdd ttoo rreeaadd).  
: > : I've tried setting echo off using stty -echo, 
: > : and setting echo to local.  Neither worked.  
: > : Has anyone had this problem, and if so, how do 
: > : I fix it?
: > : 
: > Does the double echoing occur in command mode
: > or CONNECT mode?  Or both?  
: 
: connect only
: 
: > Does it happen only
: > in C-Kermit, or does it also happen at the
: > shell prompt?  
: 
: only in c-kermit
: 
: > Does it occur on the Sun's own
: > workstation screen, or are you coming in to the
: > Sun from some other terminal or emulator?
: 
: I am using xterm on a Sparc 2 to connect to another sun
: running Solaris
: 
So you are engaging in terminal emulation through a series
of emulators (xterm and C-Kermit).  Only the computer at the
far end should be echoing.  None of the emulators should be
echoing.  C-Kermit, when in CONNECT mode, does not echo
unless you tell it to with "set duplex half" or "set
terminal echo on" (same thing), or unless you are using
C-Kermit to make a TELNET connection and the TELNET server
on the other end has asked C-Kermit to do the echoing, but
then goes ahead and echoes itself anyway.  Another
possibility would be that you are using a modem or terminal
server that has been configured to do its own echoing.

So I'll still need more information.  Is the connection
between the two SPARCs a serial connection or a TELNET
connection?  If it is a TELNET connection, are you using
the standard TELNET TCP port (23) or some other port?
Did you issue any "set telnet" commands to C-Kermit prior
to making the connection?

You can find out what TELNET negotiations took place as
follows:

 1. Tell C-Kermit to "log debug".
 2. Make the connection to the other computer.
 3. Observe the double echoing.
 4. Log out from the other computer.
 5. Exit from C-Kermit.
 6. grep ^TELNET debug.log > file

The "file" contains all the TELNET negotiations.  If the
results are not clear, send the file by email to
kermit@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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From: volckaer@vixa.voyager.net ()
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Subject: Kermit w/ SMC8000 :-(
Date: 20 Dec 1995 20:05:49 GMT
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I have been attempting to get kermit working over my ethernet lan.  I 
have SCO Unix w/ tcp/ip 1.2.0, Netware 3.11, and about 70 PCs.  I use SMC 
network cards (SMC Ultra some new some old (1992)).  I can connect to my 
Novell server just fine.  I can connect to my unix server using Lan 
Workplace tcp/ip just fine.  If I attempt to use kermit I can't get it to 
work.  It could be something really simple and I am just overlooking it.  
I have tried clean booting, using the smc packet driver, and then 
kermit.  No go, unable to connect to host.  I have tried ODI drivers, no go.

Can anyone add some direction here?  A friend of mine has kermit running 
at his site and suggested checking the frame type on the Unix server.  I 
have been unable to find this.  Help...please...thank you....

Jeff Volckaert

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit w/ SMC8000 :-(
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In article <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net>,  <volckaer@vixa.voyager.net> wrote:
: I have been attempting to get kermit working over my ethernet lan.  I 
: have SCO Unix w/ tcp/ip 1.2.0, Netware 3.11, and about 70 PCs.  I use SMC 
: network cards (SMC Ultra some new some old (1992)).  I can connect to my 
: Novell server just fine.  I can connect to my unix server using Lan 
: Workplace tcp/ip just fine.  If I attempt to use kermit I can't get it to 
: work.  It could be something really simple and I am just overlooking it.  
: I have tried clean booting, using the smc packet driver, and then 
: kermit.  No go, unable to connect to host.  I have tried ODI drivers, no go.
: 
: Can anyone add some direction here?  A friend of mine has kermit running 
: at his site and suggested checking the frame type on the Unix server.  I 
: have been unable to find this.  Help...please...thank you....
: 
Are you talking about MS-DOS Kermit?  Version 3.14?  Did you read the
NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC file?

Very briefly: you can't have two TCP/IP stacks active at the same time on
the same network adapter.  So either (a) unload LWP whenever you want to
make TELNET connections with Kermit, or (b) use Kermit's "set port telapi"
communications path.

- Frank

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From: gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard)
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Subject: modem ats0
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:36:31 GMT
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Hi,

I am not sure if this is the right place for this post or not, but I
shall try.

I have PC Kermit 3.18 on a Pentium, with a US Robotics 14.4 or 28.8
modem (one at work, one at home).  I have a macro in my MSCUSTOM.INI
file named goserver that I actually got some help with from this group
a few months ago.  Ignoring the error handling, it goes something like
this:

define goserver -
	set com3 \x3e8 5, -
	set port 3, -
	set carrier on, -
	set server login gbernard gbernard, -
	set server timeout 0, -
	server

Before I run the macro, I manually issue the command to the modem
ats0=3 to tell it to pick on (after?) the third ring.  However, if I
add the lines:

	out +++,
	sleep 1,
	ats0=3,
	sleep 1,

after the macro definition and the set com3 line, then the modem will
*never* pick up - it just rings and rings and rings.

So, my brain dead question is, is this a US Robotics modem bug, am I
doing something stupid (always a strong possibility), or ???

TIA - any help would be greatly appreciated.


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: modem ats0
Date: 21 Dec 1995 00:35:27 GMT
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In article <4b7pe9$cs5@ccnet2.ccnet.com>,
Greg Bernard <gbernard@dbc.com> wrote:
: I have PC Kermit 3.18 on a Pentium, with a US Robotics 14.4 or 28.8
:
3.14, right?

: modem (one at work, one at home).  I have a macro in my MSCUSTOM.INI
: file named goserver that I actually got some help with from this group
: a few months ago.  Ignoring the error handling, it goes something like
: this:
: 
: define goserver -
: 	set com3 \x3e8 5, -
: 	set port 3, -
: 	set carrier on, -
: 	set server login gbernard gbernard, -
: 	set server timeout 0, -
: 	server
: 
Now that the world knows your authentication info, be sure to change it :-)

: Before I run the macro, I manually issue the command to the modem
: ats0=3 to tell it to pick on (after?) the third ring.  However, if I
: add the lines:
: 
: 	out +++,
: 	sleep 1,
: 	ats0=3,
: 	sleep 1,
: 
: after the macro definition and the set com3 line, then the modem will
: *never* pick up - it just rings and rings and rings.
: 
Change the lines above to:

	sleep 1,-
	out +++,-
	sleep 1,-
	out ats0=3\13,-
	input 2 OK,-

- Frank

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From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
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Subject: Re: modem ats0
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gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) wrote:

>Before I run the macro, I manually issue the command to the modem
>ats0=3 to tell it to pick on (after?) the third ring.  However, if I
>add the lines:
>
>	out +++,
>	sleep 1,
>	ats0=3,
>	sleep 1,
>
>after the macro definition and the set com3 line, then the modem will
>*never* pick up - it just rings and rings and rings.

Greg,

"output ats0=3".  :-)

 - Vince
___
   Vincent Fatica
   Syracuse University Mathematics
   vefatica@syr.edu
   http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/vince.html

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From: afn10375@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
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In <1995Dec19.103913.133876@forest>, pcoen@forest.drew.edu (Paul Coen) wrote:

#   Another trick, on the VMS side, is to hit ctrl-z and put EDT
#   in line mode (or leave it in line mode, if you're already
#   there) and type INSERT at the * prompt.  The cursor will
#   appear to indent, and you can do a transmit.  When you're
#   done, hit ctrl-z and you are returned to the *.
#
#   EDT seems to be far less likely to overrun in insert mode than
#   when running in full screen mode.  Actually, this also works
#   better than just doing $ CREATE filename and doing a transmit
#   -- from work, with a network connection, I get overruns trying
#   that (works from home with a slower connection, though).

And I never thought I'd actually have a use for insert mode!  Thanks
for a great tip.

David Johns

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From: afn10375@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
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Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor
Date: 20 Dec 1995 09:31:30 GMT
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In <1995Dec19.125645.69832@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:

#         I'm not sure where this is leading us. To see what EDT
#   responds please turn on logging (LOG SESSION). Its responses
#   vary depending on where one is in the screen (middle, bottom)
#   and whether material follows the insertion point, full screen
#   or line editing mode, etc.

Yes, as Frank pointed out, using SET TERM PROMPT \0 solves that
problem.

#         I use EVE (super EDT) a lot, and I put material into it
#   from the Kermit TRANSMIT command several times per day. I
#   press ENTER to keep it going if the editor is being cute with
#   cursor work. That is hardly a bother to me. To avoid all such
#   problems use a line-mode editing system, for which the
#   TRANSMIT command was designed. Yeah, I can hear the groans, so
#   press the ENTER key and let's get on with the job at hand.

I can use EVE from the command prompt, but for some reason I've never
been able to get MAIL to call it up, and that's all I use the VAX for.
But a combination of not looking for a prompt and using insert mode
seems like the best answer.

Thanks for your help.

David Johns

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From: gweisz@nilenet.com (Gideon Weisz)
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For those who wish to do hebrew e-mail, and already have a dos PC
and a UNIX internet node, things are now pretty easy, particularly
if you have mskermit 3.14. we are even hoping that there will be
a hebrew mailing list soon. and with mskermit you can even compose
hebrew messages in the recent English PINE easily, with the help of 
some scripts: kermit enables you to write in hebrew characters and
see them on your screen going the right way, while the scripts enable
you to reverse their actual direction and right justify afterwards.

some helpful files have been posted and are available on jerusalem1.
e-brew.txt is a cookbook style info file
e-brew.zip and its complementary ebrewadd.zip are a quickstart program
package that can also serve as a convenient toolkit, and a later
program and script package that improves it.

the e-brew files are at
ftp://ftp.jer1.co.il/pub/software/msdos/communication/e-brew.txt
ftp://ftp.jer1.co.il/pub/software/msdos/communication/e-brew.zip
ftp://ftp.jer1.co.il/pub/support/offline_mail/ebrewadd.zip

the locations might change, but that's where the files are now.
i don't want to use up bandwidth here, so anyone interested should
contact me for a copy of the full announcement or anything else
that i might be able to help with.

gideon
--
gideon weisz                                            ïåòãâ
[boulder, colorado]

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From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
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Subject: Re: Dial out with Kermit
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 04:12:43 GMT
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achim.winkler@rz.hu-berlin.de wrote:

>Hello !
>
>Does anyone know how to locate a modemserver and a available
>communcation Devices under UNIX to make a dial out ?
>I am connected to a Network and work with UNIX. When I dial in the
>Network a Modemserver is logging me in a Mainserver !
>From there I can use Kermit but i cannot dial out !

In most situations, regular folks, like you and me, aren't allowed to dial
out after logging in on someone else's UNIX system, even if the system has
the capability (which it probably doesn't).

If you were on a UNIX host with dial out capability, and you had permission
to do so, the procedure would be pretty straightforward (as on my PC running
Linux)... start kermit ... set port /dev/cua0 (whatever UNIX device the
modem's on) ... set speed xxx ... set flow xxx ... set everything else that
needs to be set ... dial ...

 - Vince
___
   Vincent Fatica
   Syracuse University Mathematics
   vefatica@syr.edu
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From: achim.winkler@rz.hu-berlin.de
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Subject: Dial out with Kermit
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Hello !

Does anyone know how to locate a modemserver and a available
communcation Devices under UNIX to make a dial out ?
I am connected to a Network and work with UNIX. When I dial in the
Network a Modemserver is logging me in a Mainserver !
>From there I can use Kermit but i cannot dial out !

Two things I donnot know:

1. Where and wich name is the Modemserver !
2. Wich 'Communication Device' can I use !

Are there some Unix-Commands i can use for ?

It would be really nice when answering , cu Chris.

PS: I guess a modemserver, but when i set host <modemserver> and try
to dial out kermit says 'Call failed "<Welcom to ... ... please
login:"> ! Know anyone this Problem ?



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From: tuber@crl.com (Mark Tubesing)
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I apologize for posting these off-topic questions here, but I could find 
no other groups dealing with async protocols. 

I am looking for technical information regarding a protocol called X.PC 
which was developed by Tymnet and released into public domain. More 
specifically, I'm wanting to contrast its file transfer method with that 
of ZMODEM, so technical info on ZMODEM is needed as well. If someone 
could point me in the right direction, that would be great.

I appreciate your assistance!

--tuber--
tuber@crl.com


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From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Making info from K95 Dialer Default
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:41:36 GMT
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I have spent some time creating a good default configuration for my
telnet sessions (the right background colours, terminal emulation,
etc.) within the K95 dialer and would now like to take this and make
it the default configuration that is used when I execute "telnet" or
"k95" from the command line.

How can I achieve this without having to manually enter all the gory
details in to my k95.ini?

Evan



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From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion)
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Subject: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times
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Feature request: please change the Kermit dialer to allow you to open
multiple connections to the same site when connecting via telnet.  It
is very frustrating only being able to have 1 connection active to
each site in the list.

Evan


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Making info from K95 Dialer Default
Date: 22 Dec 1995 13:52:31 GMT
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In article <4bcrbu$lvh@piano.synapse.net>,
Evan Champion <evanc@synapse.net> wrote:
: I have spent some time creating a good default configuration for my
: telnet sessions (the right background colours, terminal emulation,
: etc.) within the K95 dialer and would now like to take this and make
: it the default configuration that is used when I execute "telnet" or
: "k95" from the command line.
: 
: How can I achieve this without having to manually enter all the gory
: details in to my k95.ini?
: 
In your k95.ini file, temporarily add the following command:

  set startup-file keep

Then start your favorite connection from the Dialer.  You will find a text
file in the Kermit 95 TMP subdirectory with the same name as the connection
you just started.  It contains all the commands relevant to that connection,
mostly the settings from the notebooks, but also "set host" and "connect"
commands at the end.  Move all but these final action commands to your
K95CUSTOM.INI file.

Then remove the "set startup-file keep" command from your K95.INI file.

In a forthcoming release, there will be an easier way to save, copy, and
propogate collections of settings.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times
Date: 22 Dec 1995 14:08:34 GMT
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In article <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net>,
Evan Champion <evanc@synapse.net> wrote:
: Feature request: please change the Kermit dialer to allow you to open
: multiple connections to the same site when connecting via telnet.  It
: is very frustrating only being able to have 1 connection active to
: each site in the list.
: 
OK.  Although the Dialer can open multiple Telnet connections, the reason it
can only open one connection per host is because the connections are keyed by
entry name.  So until the requested feature is added, you can work around this
restriction by making additional entries in the Dialer for the same host, but
with different names.  Just use the Clone button: "host", "host2", "host3",
and so on.

You can also use the Quick button to make a second connection, and of course
you can also start K95.EXE directly and make connections to any host you
with from the prompt, but in these cases you don't get all the settings
from the Dialer's notebook pages.  But you can get around this by following
the hint in the thread, "Connecting to the same host multiple times".

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <1995Dec19.132448.19494@guvax>, John Fisher <fisherj@gunet.georgetown.edu> writes:
> Using Kermit 3.14, I connect to an IBM host thru a protocol converter.
> I Kexit out of that session and start a second session to a UnixWare 
> host.  Both sessions startup OK.  When I switch back to the Unixware 
> host, I 'take wpunix.ini' to reset all key definitions.  When I switch 
> between the 2, the screen attributes on the Unixware host are messed up. 
> Instead of horizontal and vertical lines, I get garbage characters in 
> their place.  How can I fix this?
-----------
	Keyboards are inherited between sessions, in the sense that
unless instructed otherwise the current keyboard configuration is
used for the next NEW session. Once a session has begun then it 
retains its own keyboard definitions, as it also does for terminal
emulation and screen. So you don't need to keep saying "take wpunix.ini"
when toggling amongst Telnet sessions. Sort of neat actually.
	What I don't understand is the meaning of "horizontal and
vertical lines." Are they text mode line drawing characters, such as
for boxes etc, or are they real graphics mode items? If the former then
character sets should move been sessions along with everything else,
but your take wpunix.ini may have remodified what the host setup. Perhaps
you could elaborate for us.
	Sorry for the delayed response, but the local NEWS reader was
broken for many days and this is as far as it has caught up tonight.
	Joe D. 

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From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Making info from K95 Dialer Default
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:09:18 GMT
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
>In your k95.ini file, temporarily add the following command:

>  set startup-file keep

>Then start your favorite connection from the Dialer.  You will find a text
>file in the Kermit 95 TMP subdirectory with the same name as the connection
>you just started.  It contains all the commands relevant to that connection,
>mostly the settings from the notebooks, but also "set host" and "connect"
>commands at the end.  Move all but these final action commands to your
>K95CUSTOM.INI file.

>Then remove the "set startup-file keep" command from your K95.INI file.

Works great!  Thank you.

Evan



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In article <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net>, volckaer@vixa.voyager.net () writes:
> I have been attempting to get kermit working over my ethernet lan.  I 
> have SCO Unix w/ tcp/ip 1.2.0, Netware 3.11, and about 70 PCs.  I use SMC 
> network cards (SMC Ultra some new some old (1992)).  I can connect to my 
> Novell server just fine.  I can connect to my unix server using Lan 
> Workplace tcp/ip just fine.  If I attempt to use kermit I can't get it to 
> work.  It could be something really simple and I am just overlooking it.  
> I have tried clean booting, using the smc packet driver, and then 
> kermit.  No go, unable to connect to host.  I have tried ODI drivers, no go.
> 
> Can anyone add some direction here?  A friend of mine has kermit running 
> at his site and suggested checking the frame type on the Unix server.  I 
> have been unable to find this.  Help...please...thank you....
> 
> Jeff Volckaert
---------
	Did you review the networking notes in the MS-DOS Kermit distribution
kit? I'm presuming that you are using MSK on the client that is having trouble.
If you haven't then this is a good time to do so, and in particular get file
NET.CFG into proper shape (as per the examples in the notes). Recall, use
frame kind Ethernet_II with ODI.
	Joe D.

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Subject: Where's the mouse pointer? (K95)
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I just installed K-95.
Aside from the rather silly DOS batch file use for setup, everything moved
cleanly.
After warning me that I should make sure that the Windows modem setup was
correct, this batch file prompts me individually for each item that I just
finished checking in the Windows setup, and then asks me to confirm each 
line with another carriage return...

My Practical Peripherals modem is item 14 on the list.
Or is it item 15?  They both read the same.
Ah, 14 is really some modem that starts with "M", alphabetically just before
"P", which really is item 15.

The users' guide has enough typos to be distracting.  Didn't anyone read it?

The default for the backspace is still DEL.  True, that is pure VT100, but
nobody else has a default like that on a PC emulation program.

600+ entries in the supplied dialer directory?  Is that really a feature?
A small DOS box as the default connection screen?  
It's a 32-bit Win95 Console, not DOS?  Then why can't I close it with a
click on the close button, without getting a DOS-like warning?

I really thought I wouldn't mention any of the above, since it does _work_,
but if I weren't a Kermit user of 12+ years, I would have taken it back, and
used PCPlus 2.1 instead.  The ZModem, Kermit, and FTP transfers are each
faster than the K-95 versions, in spite of the fact that PCPlus is a 16 bit
program.


anyway...  The real reason for this call is that I can't find my mousie ;-)
Marking and pasting seems to work (although the wisdom of reinventing cut
and paste in a program that can only be run under windows escapes me).
The little yellow highlighting appears when I mark something, and I can
easily paste it into another window.  I only read the book once, so I can't
remember how to paste into the Kermit window.

But there is no mouse pointer.  I have to guess where it is.  Actually, I
just start marking wherever I am, and drag the highlight to where I want to
start, then let go, and begin a mark again.  Tacky as hell, but then this is
K95, and I truly believe I must get used to it.

I just discovered that a K95 telnet connection, via PPP under Win95, doesn't
count as "activity" to Winsock.  I got a box indicating that my line had
been idle for 20 minutes, did I want to disconnect?
This happens with PCPlus, but that isn't a 32 bit program, so it doesn't
interface properly with Winsock.  Usage does seem to update the count of
characters in the little modem box in the task bar.

Probably to be dismissed as a Win95 bug.  Certainly not the fault of Kermit.

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: apardoe@u.washington.edu
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Subject: Failure to initialize
Date: 24 Dec 1995 10:36:22 EDT
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I'm having a rather odd problem with CKermit 191 for OS/2. I'll admit 
right off that I don't have the book--I'd like to see Kermit run once 
before I decide whether or not I want to "buy" it. 

CKermit will initialize my modem with the ATQ0H0 which generates "OK" (I
assume from the modem) and then Modem Hangup OK. Then the initialization
string is sent ATwhateverwhatever and there is no response from the 
modem. My question is this: What is causing CKermit to "find" the modem 
on the first string and preventing it from "finding" the modem on the 
second? 

I'm running a Zoom V.34i 28.8 modem on COM 4 (2e8, IRQ3) with SIO 1.53 
and OS/2 Warp fullpack no fixpacks. No other comm program has had a 
problem finding my modem. 

For reference, this is the stuff that looked relevant from CKERMOD.INI:

set port 4
(putting in port 4 or port com4 changes nothing)

   set modem hayes
   set speed 57600
   if fail set speed 38400
   if fail set speed 19200
   if fail set speed 9600
   set dial speed-matching off

set dial init ATE1Q0V1N1W2X4Y0
(I tried a variety of initialization strings both of my own devices and 
from other communications packages. The one above just sets all the 
options. It does set full messages ON.) 

(There's some code that I believe tells CKermit to skip to the OS/2 
section and so here's the OS/2 section...) 

:OS/2                           ; OS/2 customizations...
set modem hayes
set port com4
set speed 57600
set flow rts/cts                ; It uses hardware flow control
set terminal apc off            ; Change to ON if desired
set server display on           ; Show file display in server mode too

Thanks, I'd appreciate knowing what's up. There seem to be no good comm 
packages for OS/2 but Kermit looks unassuming and powerful...a rare 
combination in '95. 

apardoe@u.washington.edu

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From: jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin)
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hi, netters,
i'm using c-kermit(190) on ultrix for dial up connection to school.
is anybody willing to send me their sample script files to log in?
TIA

- jae

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From: volckaer@vixa.voyager.net ()
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Subject: Re: Kermit w/ SMC8000 :-(
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In article <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net>,  <volckaer@vixa.voyager.net> wrote:
: : I have been attempting to get kermit working over my ethernet lan.  I 
: : have SCO Unix w/ tcp/ip 1.2.0, Netware 3.11, and about 70 PCs.  I use SMC 
: : network cards (SMC Ultra some new some old (1992)).  I can connect to my 
: : Novell server just fine.  I can connect to my unix server using Lan 
: : Workplace tcp/ip just fine.  If I attempt to use kermit I can't get it to 
: : work.  It could be something really simple and I am just overlooking it.  
: : I have tried clean booting, using the smc packet driver, and then 
: : kermit.  No go, unable to connect to host.  I have tried ODI drivers, no go.
: : 
: : Can anyone add some direction here?  A friend of mine has kermit running 
: : at his site and suggested checking the frame type on the Unix server.  I 
: : have been unable to find this.  Help...please...thank you....
: : 
: Are you talking about MS-DOS Kermit?  Version 3.14?  Did you read the
: NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC file?

: Very briefly: you can't have two TCP/IP stacks active at the same time on
: the same network adapter.  So either (a) unload LWP whenever you want to
: make TELNET connections with Kermit, or (b) use Kermit's "set port telapi"
: communications path.

: - Frank
Yes, I am attempting to use MS-DOS 3.14.  I've read over the setup.doc 
numerous times.  When I try to use Kermit I use a different net.cfg so 
LWP isn't in the picture.  I have tried a clean boot with the F5 key, 
then loading the pkt8000 packet utility, then running kermit.  This 
doesn't work either. :-(

What is the "set port telapi" function?  I take it this will use the LWP 
tcp/ip stack.  Can kermit 3.14 use Windows 95 tcp/ip stack?

Thanks,
Jeff Volckaert

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From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair)
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Subject: Re: Failure to initialize
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apardoe@u.washington.edu writes:

>I'm having a rather odd problem with CKermit 191 for OS/2. I'll admit 
>right off that I don't have the book--I'd like to see Kermit run once 
>before I decide whether or not I want to "buy" it. 
>
>I'm running a Zoom V.34i 28.8 modem on COM 4 (2e8, IRQ3) with SIO 1.53 
>and OS/2 Warp fullpack no fixpacks. No other comm program has had a 
>problem finding my modem. 

I have a similar setup, with a Boca 28.8 internal on COM 3 (3E8, IRQ5)
>
>For reference, this is the stuff that looked relevant from CKERMOD.INI:
>
>set port 4
>(putting in port 4 or port com4 changes nothing)
 
You're not also using COM2 at the same time are you?  IRQ3 is usually claimed
by COM2
>
>   set modem hayes
>   set speed 57600
>   if fail set speed 38400
>   if fail set speed 19200
>   if fail set speed 9600
>   set dial speed-matching off

Don't think you want to mess with that.  You should connect at a fixed rate
and let your modem do the speed management.

>
>set dial init ATE1Q0V1N1W2X4Y0
>(I tried a variety of initialization strings both of my own devices and 
>from other communications packages. The one above just sets all the 
>options. It does set full messages ON.) 
>
>(There's some code that I believe tells CKermit to skip to the OS/2 
>section and so here's the OS/2 section...) 
>
>:OS/2                           ; OS/2 customizations...
>set modem hayes
>set port com4
>set speed 57600
>set flow rts/cts                ; It uses hardware flow control
>set terminal apc off            ; Change to ON if desired
>set server display on           ; Show file display in server mode too
>
My CKERMOD.INI
set port 3
set modem hayes
set speed 115200
set carrier off
set flow rts/cts 

There are a few extraneous statements like:
   define cso dial 5552020, while failure {dial L}, echo \7Made it!\7, connect
which I use do dial a busy system, and ring the bell when it finally makes it,
but that's all that I use for line control.

-- 

Bob Shair                          Open Systems Consultant
1018 W. Springfield Avenue         rmshair@uiuc.edu
Champaign, IL 61821		   217/356-2684

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From: lclarke@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Lee Clarke)
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Subject: Question about NT and kermit 95 telnet.
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I run a Windows NT Server and need to telnet into it.
I want to know how Kermit95 supports this. Does it
set itself up as a service? Is it graphical to
the client? thanks.
-- 
_________________________________________________________________
Lee Clarke, Sociology, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ 08903 
lclarke@rci.rutgers.edu, 908/445-5741 fax:908/445-0974
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <4beb49$68v@vixa.voyager.net>,  <volckaer@vixa.voyager.net> wrote:
>Yes, I am attempting to use MS-DOS 3.14.  I've read over the setup.doc 
>numerous times.  When I try to use Kermit I use a different net.cfg so 
>LWP isn't in the picture.  I have tried a clean boot with the F5 key, 
>then loading the pkt8000 packet utility, then running kermit.  This 
>doesn't work either. :-(
>
I don't know what pkt8000 is.  But if you are running Kermit directly over
the appropriate packet driver for the SMC network board, and the packet
driver and the board agree about which interrupt is used for communication,
and you aren't doing this under Windows, then it should work.  If you are
doing it under Windows 3.x, then you'll also need to insert the WINPKT
shim, as documented in NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC.

>What is the "set port telapi" function?  I take it this will use the LWP 
>tcp/ip stack.
>
Yes.  It is documented in section 4.2 of NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC.

> Can kermit 3.14 use Windows 95 tcp/ip stack?
>
No.  For this you need Kermit 95:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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From: Wayne Buttles <buttles@champlain.edu>
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Subject: Kermit95 help - turning off status/mode line
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 1995 16:02:42 -0800
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I got Kermit 95 for the express reason that it could do full screen 
telnet sessions under Win95.  I can't for the life of me, however, 
figure out how to turn off the status bar at the bottom of the 
screen.  I really need a 25 char high window since I am running 
remote dos sessions via telnet.

Also, can I turn off scrollback, or just remap the keys so that page 
up/down send the proper commands?  I think I can figure out how to 
remap this, but if there is an easy answer then that would be great.

I really need a full keyboard mapping for dos including f1-12 with 
shift, ctrl, and alt too so if anyone has tricks on dooing this that 
would be great, but the first question is # 1 -- the rest I can work 
around.

Thanks in advance.

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Jae H Shin (jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu) wrote:
: i'm using c-kermit(190) on ultrix for dial up connection to school.
: is anybody willing to send me their sample script files to log in?

Piles of scripts on columbia.edu.  Most of them are more complicated than
they need to be. Some are included in the ckermit .zip files.

Have a look at the modem dialer scripts and improvise.  It's not difficult
at all for a simple connection.
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Clarence Dold (dold@rahul.net) wrote:

: anyway...  The real reason for this call is that I can't find my mousie ;-)
: Marking and pasting seems to work (although the wisdom of reinventing cut
: and paste in a program that can only be run under windows escapes me).

Hey!  Now I have a mouse pointer.
It appears that changing the mouse pointer color from black to black  in the
K-95 dialer "terrminal" options caused a black cursor-block to appear.
I didn't change anything, I just clicked on the down-arrow to see what was
available, then "saved" the edit session.

One problem down.


In my first attempt to register for the Kermit support BBS, I "entered" past
the serial number prompt.  Now it doesn't think I am a registered user, and
I don't see any place to plug in my serial number.

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In article <4birjt$cl@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold  <dold@rahul.net> wrote:
>
> I just installed K-95.
> Aside from the rather silly DOS batch file use for setup,
>
It's not a DOS batch file -- it's a program, SETUP.EXE.  It does what it
needs to do.  Nevertheless, we will have a GUI installation program (that
does exactly the same thing, more or less, but looks prettier :-) soon,
since first impressions do indeed seem to count for much.

> ... everything moved cleanly.  After warning me that I should make sure
> that the Windows modem setup was correct, this batch file prompts me
> individually for each item that I just finished checking in the Windows
> setup, and then asks me to confirm each line with another carriage
> return...
>
We *could* say that because the accuracy of this information is so
important to the correct functioning of the program, that we make you go
through it again for safety.

But the fact is, as you have probably learned by now (by reading the
BUGS.DOS file), the Microsoft Telephony (TAPI) capability is not yet
active, and so Kermit 95 is presently unable to get this information from
Windows, as it should be able to do.  TAPI is an advertised and essential
feature of Kermit 95, and as soon as we can get it working, it will be
available to you as a patch, and the SETUP program will no longer have to
for this information.

> My Practical Peripherals modem is item 14 on the list.
> Or is it item 15?  They both read the same.
> Ah, 14 is really some modem that starts with "M", alphabetically just 
> before "P", which really is item 15.
>
Oops!  Nobody reported this before -- you're right, it's a bug in the setup
program.  Item 14 is really Multitech; Item 15 is Practical Peripherals.
Thanks for noticing & reporting this one!

> The users' guide has enough typos to be distracting.  Didn't anyone
> read it?
>
We'd be happy to receive a list of the ones you've noticed.

> The default for the backspace is still DEL.  True, that is pure VT100,
> but nobody else has a default like that on a PC emulation program.
>
Well, that's arguable.  This one falls into the "you can't please
everybody" category.  As many readers know, some hosts and services want
you to send DEL (Rubout, ASCII 127) to erase a character, others want you
to send Backspace (ASCII 8).  You can read the long story about this in
our FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

In any case, which default are you talking about?  Each Dialer entry has
its own setting for this.  If any of them are wrong, we'd like to know.

If you run K95.EXE without the Dialer, or you create a new Dialer entry
without cloning an existing one, then in that case we might say the
"default default" is DEL.  It has to be something.  You can change it on
a per-connection basis in the Dialer entry's keyboard page.  To change the
default for new entries, change it in the DEFAULT entry.  To change the
default when running K95.EXE without the Dailer, put:

  set key \264 \8

in your K95CUSTOM.INI file.  There is very little in Kermit 95 that you
cannot change to suit your preferences.

> 600+ entries in the supplied dialer directory?  Is that really a feature?
>
A lot of people think so.  You don't have to use them or keep them if you
don't want to (see notes in BUGS.DOC and in our FAQ).  But even then, many
of them make good models that people use for creating their own entries
quickly.  It's easier than issuing sixty SET commands, no?

> A small DOS box as the default connection screen?  
> It's a 32-bit Win95 Console, not DOS?
>
It is a 32-bit Windows 95 console window.  There is nothing DOS about this
program.  It is indeed unfortunate that it *looks* like DOS (and that
Windows insists on inserting the DOS icon into the Title bar, even though
K95.EXE has its own built-in icon), but that's how Windows 95 consoles look.

> Then why can't I close it with a click on the close button, without
> getting a DOS-like warning?
>
Windows 95 does not pass the Close message to console applications.

Clearly, there are many disadvantages to console mode.  In our FAQ we
discuss our reasons for releasing Kermit 95 initially as a console
application.  Now we are working on converting it to a full GUI
application, which registered users will receive at no additional cost.

In the meantime, let's not forget what the program actually *does*, as
compared with how it looks.  See the comparisons of Kermit 95 with other
Windows 95 and NT communication applications on the Kermit 95 Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

> I really thought I wouldn't mention any of the above, since it does
> _work_, but if I weren't a Kermit user of 12+ years, I would have taken
> it back, and used PCPlus 2.1 instead.  The ZModem, Kermit, and FTP
> transfers are each faster than the K-95 versions, in spite of the fact
> that PCPlus is a 16 bit program.
>
We benchmarked Procomm Plus 2.0 against Kermit a couple years ago and did
not find this to be true.  We have not yet had the opportunity to run
benchmarks against version 2.1.  But we did perform benchmarks against
HyperTerminal 1.0 using a V.34 modem connection with the following
results (see http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95hyper.html for details):

                        HyperTerminal     Kermit 95

  Kermit Text file:         557 cps       5573 cps
  Kermit ZIP file:          453 cps       3206 cps
  Zmodem Text file:        5148 cps       5461 cps
  Zmodem ZIP file:         3241 cps       3263 cps

What did you get with Procomm?

> Anyway...  The real reason for this call is that I can't find my 
> mousie ;-)  Marking and pasting seems to work (although the wisdom
> of reinventing cut and paste in a program that can only be run under
> windows escapes me).
>
Kermit 95 includes its own mouse handler that lets you do things faster
than Windows would (such as select-and-paste in one movement) and that
lets you do things that Windows does not let you do (such as steer the
terminal cursor as if you were punching arrow keys lots of times).  These
things are documented on pages 55-58 of "Kermit 95".  If you do not like
Kermit 95's mouse features, you can bypass them by using the Windows
editing buttons on the Toolbar.

> The little yellow highlighting appears when I mark
> something, and I can easily paste it into another window.  I only read
> the book once, so I can't remember how to paste into the Kermit window.
>
It's in there.  Granted it might not be totally intuitive, but once you
learn it, it becomes very handy: Hold down the Ctrl key, use mouse button
1 to select the desired text, release button 1.  The selected text is
transmitted.

If you select without holding down the Ctrl key, the text goes to the
Windows Clipboard.  Then you can still paste the selected text with
Shift-Insert, as in other Windows apps.

If you don't happen to like these particular physical mechanisms, you can
change them.  Kermit 95's mouse actions are fully remappable to any mouse
buttons -- or keys! -- and any combination of mouse buttons or keys with
Ctrl, Alt, or Shift.

> But there is no mouse pointer.  I have to guess where it is.  Actually,
> I just start marking wherever I am, and drag the highlight to where I
> want to start, then let go, and begin a mark again.  Tacky as hell, but
> then this is K95, and I truly believe I must get used to it.
>
I'm not sure what you mean here -- The Windows mouse pointer is fully
operative and in evidence.  The only difference between Kermit marking and
Windows marking is the shape and coloration of the selected text: Kermit
95's built-in selection mechanism strips trailing blanks, rather than the
Windows style "select a rectangle and fill empty spaces with blanks".  The
Kermit way turns out to be more useful in a communications setting, but
you don't have to use it if you don't want to -- just use the Mark, Copy,
and Paste buttons on the toolbar.

> I just discovered that a K95 telnet connection, via PPP under Win95,
> doesn't count as "activity" to Winsock.  I got a box indicating that my
> line had been idle for 20 minutes, did I want to disconnect?  This
> happens with PCPlus, but that isn't a 32 bit program, so it doesn't
> interface properly with Winsock.  Usage does seem to update the count of
> characters in the little modem box in the task bar.
>
> Probably to be dismissed as a Win95 bug.  Certainly not the fault 
> of Kermit.
>
Not necessarily a bug in Windows 95 or anywhere.  TCP/IP in general, and
Winsock in particular, do not have any special low-level "keep alive"
mechanism.  The only way to tell if a connection is alive is for the
application itself to send or read data.  But it's not necessarily the
place of a terminal program to do this automatically on your behalf.

Perhaps there is some setting in the Windows 95 Registry you can change to
eliminate the warning box, or adjust the trigger to a time interval that
you like better.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: Failure to initialize
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In article <299721600038710apardoe@u.washington.edu>,
 <apardoe@u.washington.edu> wrote:
: I'm having a rather odd problem with CKermit 191 for OS/2. I'll admit 
: right off that I don't have the book--I'd like to see Kermit run once 
: before I decide whether or not I want to "buy" it. 
: 
: C-Kermit will initialize my modem with the ATQ0H0 which generates "OK"
: (I assume from the modem) and then Modem Hangup OK. Then the initialization
: string is sent ATwhateverwhatever and there is no response from the 
: modem. My question is this: What is causing CKermit to "find" the modem 
: on the first string and preventing it from "finding" the modem on the 
: second? 
: 
It sounds as if the modem, upon being hung up, is reverting to some
different state.  Many types of modems have options to do this, which are
often governed by a command such as &Cx.

When dialing, Kermit hangs up the modem for you automatically prior to
dialing to ensure that (a) it can dial, and (b) that the modem is in
command mode.  But practically everything that one does in data
communications is risky.  Thus, Kermit has dozens and dozens of commands
that let you tailor it to nearly every conceivable set of circumstances.
Hence the big thick manual -- to explain all these commands and why they
are needed.

Try the following:

  SET MODEM HAYES
  SET DIAL INIT ATQ0W1&D2S95=47X4S37=11&K3S82=128&Q5S36=7S46=138S38=1\13
  SET PORT COM4
  SET SPEED 57600
  SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING OFF
  SET FLOW RTS/CTS
  SET DIAL DISPLAY ON  ; <-- watch the modem dialog
  SET DIAL HANGUP OFF  ; <-- don't hang up as part of the dialing process

and then DIAL a number.

If that works, fine.  If not, get back to us with specifics about what 
happens in the modem dialog and we can take it from there.

: Thanks, I'd appreciate knowing what's up. There seem to be no good comm 
: packages for OS/2 but Kermit looks unassuming and powerful...a rare 
: combination in '95. 
: 
Thanks.

- Frank

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In article <4beb49$68v@vixa.voyager.net>, volckaer@vixa.voyager.net () writes:
> Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
> : In article <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net>,  <volckaer@vixa.voyager.net> wrote:
> : : I have been attempting to get kermit working over my ethernet lan.  I 
> : : have SCO Unix w/ tcp/ip 1.2.0, Netware 3.11, and about 70 PCs.  I use SMC 
> : : network cards (SMC Ultra some new some old (1992)).  I can connect to my 
> : : Novell server just fine.  I can connect to my unix server using Lan 
> : : Workplace tcp/ip just fine.  If I attempt to use kermit I can't get it to 
> : : work.  It could be something really simple and I am just overlooking it.  
> : : I have tried clean booting, using the smc packet driver, and then 
> : : kermit.  No go, unable to connect to host.  I have tried ODI drivers, no go.
> : : 
> : : Can anyone add some direction here?  A friend of mine has kermit running 
> : : at his site and suggested checking the frame type on the Unix server.  I 
> : : have been unable to find this.  Help...please...thank you....
> : : 
> : Are you talking about MS-DOS Kermit?  Version 3.14?  Did you read the
> : NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC file?
> 
> : Very briefly: you can't have two TCP/IP stacks active at the same time on
> : the same network adapter.  So either (a) unload LWP whenever you want to
> : make TELNET connections with Kermit, or (b) use Kermit's "set port telapi"
> : communications path.
> 
> : - Frank
> Yes, I am attempting to use MS-DOS 3.14.  I've read over the setup.doc 
> numerous times.  When I try to use Kermit I use a different net.cfg so 
> LWP isn't in the picture.  I have tried a clean boot with the F5 key, 
> then loading the pkt8000 packet utility, then running kermit.  This 
> doesn't work either. :-(
> 
> What is the "set port telapi" function?  I take it this will use the LWP 
> tcp/ip stack.  Can kermit 3.14 use Windows 95 tcp/ip stack?
---------
	First, to avoid endless exchanges how about publishing your net.cfg
file and the commands you use to load the components? I will guess you have
not properly filled in the Protocol IP etc phrases in the link driver section.
	Second, Telapi.exe is a Novell program providing Telnet access on
top of their LWP/DOS TCP/IP stack. It is an item shipped with (and priced
as part of) LWP/DOS. Thus it is not available from third parties.
	Third, for the Nth time (readers please do take note) Windows TCP/IP
stacks are for only that: pure Windows programs. That's the winsock part
of things. No pure Windows comms program then no comms that way. Kind of
restrictive if you don't run Windows all the time. In addition, no two
or more protocol stacks of the same kind over the same comms board, please.
        Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Question about NT and kermit 95 telnet.
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In article <4bmnmc$gka@gandalf.rutgers.edu>,
Lee Clarke <lclarke@gandalf.rutgers.edu> wrote:
>I run a Windows NT Server and need to telnet into it.
>I want to know how Kermit95 supports this. Does it
>set itself up as a service? Is it graphical to
>the client? thanks.
>
Kermit 95 is a Telnet client, not a Telnet server.
There are numerous postings on the Windows NT newsgroups
about where to get Telnet servers for NT -- and also
asking where to get them for Windows 95.

A Telnet server is strictly Text mode -- as is a Telnet
client.  If you want a graphical image of the Windows NT
GUI screen, and you want to be able to use your mouse
and local keyboard to affect the remote NT system as if
you were using the built-in ones, that is not a job for
Telnet, which is a platform-independent protocol for
establishing interactive TERMINAL connections.

Rather, it's a job for specialized platform-and-hardware
dependent "screen scraping" software.  I personally do
not keep up with this market and cannot recommend anything,
so you're best off posting a query to the appropriate
Windows NT newsgroups if that is what you need.

However, this does not mean that Kermit 95 is not without
its uses in this situation.  A Kermit 95 server can be
set up on a Windows NT or Windows 95 system to listen for
incoming connections on any desired socket from a Kermit
Telnet client (such as Kermit 95, MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit,
etc).  Once the connection is made, all the client/server
features of the Kermit protocol can be used: uploading,
downloading, directory listings, exchange of variables,
file management, etc etc, with various degrees of
security built in.  The same type of arrangement can be
made to accept incoming modem calls.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit95 help - turning off status/mode line
Date: 26 Dec 1995 00:08:58 GMT
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In article <30DF3BA2.5978@champlain.edu>,
Wayne Buttles  <buttles@champlain.edu> wrote:
: I got Kermit 95 for the express reason that it could do full screen 
: telnet sessions under Win95.  I can't for the life of me, however, 
: figure out how to turn off the status bar at the bottom of the 
: screen.  I really need a 25 char high window since I am running 
: remote dos sessions via telnet.
: 
Alas, that is one thing you can't do.  Theoretically, you should be able
to choose any number of lines at all, within reason.  If you could choose
26 lines, then you'd have a 25-line terminal screen plus the status line.

The Windows-32 API includes a feature to let a console application (such
as Kermit 95, for the present) choose the screen dimensions.  In Windows
NT it works just fine -- any reasonable combination of screen rows and
columns is supported, and switching proceeds smoothly.  In Windows 95,
however, this only works for a very short list of screen lengths, and only
for one screen width (80).

The Windows 95 bug is documented in the BUGS.DOC file.  The symptom is
that if you attempt to set a non-kosher screen height or width, such as
(in your case, 26x80), then the instant Kermit tries to set any of the
character-cell attributes (color, brightness, etc) within such a window, a
General Protection Fault results.  To work around this bug, Kermit 95 (in
Windows 95 only, not in Windows NT) does not set any attributes in such
screens.  Hence (for example) the odd appearance of 132-column screens in
Windows 95 (but not in Windows NT).  So, for example, you can (and I just
did):

  set terminal height 25 ; Note: this does not include the status line
  connect

and get a 25-line screen (plus a status line).  But (in my case at least)
the screen is all black and white.

The other problem is that, having set an "odd" screen size, you can't
run the application in full screen mode.  Alt-Enter causes an alert box
to pop up.

And finally (to answer your question), there is presently no way to
disable the status line.

When the full GUI version of Kermit 95 is released, we will be freed from
the limitations and bugs of console mode and you will be able to select
any screen dimensions (and font size, etc) you want.

Which brings us back to your opening sentence:
:
: I got Kermit 95 for the express reason that it could do full screen 
: telnet sessions under Win95.
:
When you say "full screen telnet session", are you specifically referring
to console-mode sessions such as the one Kermit 95 gives you now?  If
Kermit 95 were a GUI application, rather than a console application, would
that adversely affect your requirement for a full-screen telnet session,
assuming (of course) that the GUI terminal window could be maximized?

: Also, can I turn off scrollback, or just remap the keys so that page 
: up/down send the proper commands?  I think I can figure out how to 
: remap this, but if there is an easy answer then that would be great.
: 
You can do either one or both.  It's all in the manual.  But when you say
"page up/down send the proper commands", what do you think the proper
commands are?  I'm beginning to think that what you are really looking
for is "PCTERM" emulation.  Kermit 95 does not include that, and is not
advertised as including it.  It's on our list -- along with many other
things -- for future enhancements.

: I really need a full keyboard mapping for dos including f1-12 with 
: shift, ctrl, and alt too so if anyone has tricks on dooing this that 
: would be great, but the first question is # 1 -- the rest I can work 
: around.
: 
As noted, you can map any key or key combination to send anything you want
it to send.  But if you are looking for keys to send "make-break" (up/down)
codes, that's another story.

- Frank

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From: cabal@citadel.umd.edu (Arcadio A. Sincero)
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In article <4as15o$p6t@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, Bake Timmons wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>  We dial in to a VMS account and there's no chance of getting anything
>  set up on that end except kermit.  Is it possible to use our Linux box
>  at home with cron and kermit to automatically send and receive the
>  internet mail to and from our VMS account.   Thanks!  I'll summarize if
>  response warrants.


	Sorry for not emailing 'ya instead.  I still haven't figure out how
to get email working on my Linux box yet.  Anyhow ...

	This is just an idea.  You might wanna try runnin' SLiRP on your VMS
account.  SLiRP is a TCP/IP emulator ... it'll letcha set up a SLIP/PPP link
from a UNIX shell!  Real handy.  There are some limitations, but I haven't
run into any major ones yet.  Might be worth a try.  You can obtain a copy
from sunsite.


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From: jtomich@IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich)
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If I'm running OS/2 Warp Connect on my Home box and my office box, both 
have installed TCP/IP can I use Kermit to connect via TCP/IP to either 
machine? If so, any help would be appreciated.

thanks, Jeff




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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: TCP/IP with OS/2 Help?
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In article <4bna0o$120@mercury.IntNet.net>,
Jeff Tomich <jtomich@IntNet.net> wrote:
> If I'm running OS/2 Warp Connect on my Home box and my office box, both 
> have installed TCP/IP can I use Kermit to connect via TCP/IP to either 
> machine? If so, any help would be appreciated.
>
Yes.  Assuming you are using OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) (the current version
of C-Kermit for OS/2), you can tell it to wait for a connection and then
go into server mode.  Then you can Telnet to it from any other Kermit
program (such as C-Kermit on your other OS/2 system) and give SEND, GET,
REMOTE xxx, BYE, and FINISH commands to transfer and manage files.

To tell OS/2 C-Kermit to wait for an incoming TCP/IP connection, do
something like this:

  C-Kermit> define listen set host * 3000, if success server
  C-Kermit> listen

"3000" is the TCP port to listen on.  If you leave this out, the default
Telnet port (23) is used.

If you want to allow multiple consecutive server sessions, do it like this:

  C-Kermit> define listen :xx, set host * 3000, if success server, goto xx
  C-Kermit> listen

Then the client Kermit program would make the connection like this:

  C-Kermit> set host foo.bar.net 3000

(where "foo.bar.net" is the IP hostname of the PC where the Kermit server is
running) and then it would send file-transfer and management commands to the
server, as described in Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit", which also describes
various security-related settings you can establish on the server prior to
listening for incoming connections.

More information about OS/2 C-Kermit at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html

- Frank

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From: csi <csi@csiworld.com>
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We are looking for a product which enables file transfers from the 
Microvax VMS to PC format. We heard that Kermit allows this. Where can 
we get the appropriate version of Kermit? Any help on how it works would 
be greatly appreciated.

Rich Marcia

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <30E1B014.1B1B@csiworld.com>, csi  <csi@csiworld.com> wrote:
>We are looking for a product which enables file transfers from the
>Microvax VMS to PC format. We heard that Kermit allows this.
>
It does indeed.

>Where can we get the appropriate version of Kermit? Any help on how it
>works would be greatly appreciated.
>
The best place to start is the Kermit Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

or send an inquiry by e-mail to kermit-orders@columbia.edu if you don't
have Web access.  Or write to:

  Kermit Distribution
  Columbia University Academic Information Systems
  612 West 115th Street
  New York, NY  10025
  USA

Or fax +1 (212) 663-8202

- Frank

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I use TELIX for batch processing on some of my workstations, and it
works fairly well .  One mainframe computer must be dialed up on a
regular basis, and data transmission is rather slow .  Scripts in
TELIX seem to offer more control than PROCOMM, but TELIX uses the
original KERMIT protocol .  The people running the mainframe said to
increase the KERMIT block size to one or two thousand, but TELIX, nor
the original KERMIT protocol, allow a size of over 94 bytes .  The
people at TELIX said to find MS-KERM 3.0, and use it as an external
protocol .  I am not able to find this however .  Has anyone seen it,
or does anyone have suggestions ?  If anyone knows where I might call
or E-mail to get information, please advise me .
Thanks


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I use TELIX for batch processing on some of my workstations, and it
works fairly well .  One mainframe computer must be dialed up on a
regular basis, and data transmission is rather slow .  Scripts in
TELIX seem to offer more control than PROCOMM, but TELIX uses the
original KERMIT protocol .  The people running the mainframe said to
increase the KERMIT block size to one or two thousand, but TELIX, nor
the original KERMIT protocol, allow a size of over 94 bytes .  The
people at TELIX said to find MS-KERM 3.0, and use it as an external
protocol .  I am not able to find this however .  Has anyone seen it,
or does anyone have suggestions ?  If anyone knows where I might call
or E-mail to get information, please advise me .
Thanks


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From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher)
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Subject: [Q] Clear key mapping for IBM 3270 sessions ?
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Hallo,
  i'd rather ask here first before I bother the authors of ckermit: I was
wondering whether someone knows how to map the Clear key needed for 3270
sessions to IBM mainframes (running VM/CMS), or, which key it defaults to?
The handbook does offer an automated login script which can b used to login
to this kind of host, and, no surprise, it works, but once in I have to wait
for a minute whenever I get the More ... message at the end of the full
screen, since I haven't found the Clear Key (yet). I'd like to map it to the
numeric key pad Enter, but to do so I need to know the proper keyboard verb.
Any help is greatly appreciated!   Stefan

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On a, as I assume, similar note: Would it be possible to allow ckermit to
open more than one connection in general? I am using the OS/2 version, also
on top of the os/2 telnet (via tcp/ip in the os/2 connect package), and
I know I can open a load of telnet sessions and do what I want. However,
sometimes I'd rather open another session *in the same* ckermit window, much
like it is possible with the NCSA telnet, where one has hot keys to open a
new session and to switch between the acitve ones.
Is that (going to be) possible?     Cheers, and Happy New Year!

Stefan


Evan Champion (evanc@synapse.net) wrote:
: Feature request: please change the Kermit dialer to allow you to open
: multiple connections to the same site when connecting via telnet.  It
: is very frustrating only being able to have 1 connection active to
: each site in the list.

: Evan


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In article <4bstdf$f4h@ns3.iamerica.net>, mcdivitt@iamerica.net (David G. McDivitt) writes:
> I use TELIX for batch processing on some of my workstations, and it
> works fairly well .  One mainframe computer must be dialed up on a
> regular basis, and data transmission is rather slow .  Scripts in
> TELIX seem to offer more control than PROCOMM, but TELIX uses the
> original KERMIT protocol .  The people running the mainframe said to
> increase the KERMIT block size to one or two thousand, but TELIX, nor
> the original KERMIT protocol, allow a size of over 94 bytes .  The
> people at TELIX said to find MS-KERM 3.0, and use it as an external
> protocol .  I am not able to find this however .  Has anyone seen it,
> or does anyone have suggestions ?  If anyone knows where I might call
> or E-mail to get information, please advise me .
> Thanks
-----------
	MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 is what you want. Please use anonymous ftp
to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, obtain binary file msvibm.zip.
That's the quick-start kit. Instructions are included.
	Joe D.

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From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair)
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Subject: key mapping for IBM 3270 sessions !
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sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) writes:

>  i'd rather ask here first before I bother the authors of ckermit: I was
>wondering whether someone knows how to map the Clear key needed for 3270
>sessions to IBM mainframes (running VM/CMS), or, which key it defaults to?
>The handbook does offer an automated login script which can b used to login

Stefan:
Kermit doesn't directly emluate 3270s, so there are no kverbs corresponding
to 3270-specific actions.  As the handbook states on p292, the connection 
goes through a "protocol converter" which maps actions you do on your
(emulated) ASCII terminal to the appropriate 3270 data stream, and vice 
versa.

I usually emulate a vt220, and use a protocol converter named HCON,
which expects ESC for Clear.  Other popular choices are ^L, ^Z, ^C
and even BS (!).  You will need to get documentation for your protocol
converter, see what it expects, and develop a script which maps them
to the keys you with to press.

This is sufficiently complicated that some companies pay me substantial
sums to do it for them.

As an example, I'm including my vt3270.ini file, which works for MY
protocol converter.  It won't work for yours, but may give you ideas.

; File: vt3270.220
; 
; The following are the default anyway, corresponding to the startup states
; of the DEC cursor and auxilliary keypads.

set terminal arrow-keys cursor   ; Arrow keys are in cursor mode by default
set terminal keypad-mode numeric ; DEC keypad in numeric mode by default

;       Scan Definition   IBM PC Key                         IBM Key Group
;
set key \315 \Kgold       ; PF1                              Top Rank F keys
set key \316 \Kpf2        ; PF2                              Top Rank F keys
set key \317 \Kpf3        ; PF3                              Top Rank F keys
set key \318 \Kpf4        ; PF4                              Top Rank F keys

; DEC Cursor keys
;
set key \584 \KupArr      ; Up Arrow           Up Arrow         Cursor keypad
set key \592 \KdnArr      ; Down Arrow         Down Arrow       Cursor keypad
set key \589 \KrtArr      ; Right Arrow        Right Arrow      Cursor keypad
set key \587 \KlfArr      ; Left Arrow         Left Arrow       Cursor keypad

; Make F Keys what hcon expects for vt220 
;
set key \319 \027Ou      ; PF5                               Top Rank F keys
set key \320 \027[17~    ; PF6                               Top Rank F keys
set key \321 \027[18~    ; PF7                               Top Rank F keys
set key \322 \027[19~    ; PF8                               Top Rank F keys
set key \323 \027[20~    ; PF9                               Top Rank F keys
set key \324 \027[21~    ; PF10                              Top Rank F keys
set key \389 \027[23~    ; PF11                              Top Rank F keys
set key \390 \027[24~    ; PF12                              Top Rank F keys

; Make ALT-F Keys PA Keys
;
set key \360 \KdecRemove  ; PA1                         ALT  Top Rank F keys
set key \361 \KdecNext    ; PA2                         ALT  Top Rank F keys

; Set up the gray ins-pgdn keys
;
set key \594 \KdecFind    ; Ins                         gray insert key
set key \585 \027[18~     ; PF7                         gray PgUp key
set key \644 \kupscn      ; upscan                      ctl PgUp key
set key \593 \027[19~     ; PF8                         gray PgDn key
set key \630 \kdnscn      ; downscan                    ctl PgDn key
set key \591 \kdecPrev    ; erase EOF                   gray End key
set key \629 \kendscn     ; endscan                     ctl End key
set key \583 \KdecInsert  ; Home                        gray Home key
set key \631 \khomscn     ; Homescan                    ctl Home key

;Set keypad enter to new line

set key \525 \014


It's hacked from ckovtk2.ini.  It doesn't mention Clear, because Kermit
by default sends ESC for ESC, so that doesn't need changing.
-- 

Bob Shair                          Open Systems Consultant
1018 W. Springfield Avenue         rmshair@uiuc.edu
Champaign, IL 61821		   217/356-2684

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: [Q] Clear key mapping for IBM 3270 sessions ?
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In article <4bt2gv$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu>,
Deutscher <sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> wrote:
: I was wondering whether someone knows how to map the Clear key needed
: for 3270 sessions to IBM mainframes (running VM/CMS), or, which key it
: defaults to?  The handbook does offer an automated login script which
: can b used to login to this kind of host, and, no surprise, it works,
: but once in I have to wait for a minute whenever I get the More
: ... message at the end of the full screen, since I haven't found the
: Clear Key (yet). I'd like to map it to the numeric key pad Enter, but to
: do so I need to know the proper keyboard verb.
: 
A good place to look for this kind of information is in our FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

This question is covered in item 8.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times
Date: 28 Dec 1995 17:04:21 GMT
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In article <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu>,
Deutscher <sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> wrote:
> Would it be possible to allow ckermit to open more than one connection
> in general? I am using the OS/2 version, also on top of the os/2 telnet
> ...
Actually it's not on top of OS/2 Telnet.  C-Kermit *is* Telnet.  The
Telnet implementation is entirely within C-Kermit, which interfaces to
OS/2 TCP/IP.

> (via tcp/ip in the os/2 connect package), and I know I can open a load
> of telnet sessions and do what I want. However, sometimes I'd rather
> open another session *in the same* ckermit window, much like it is
> possible with the NCSA telnet, where one has hot keys to open a new
> session and to switch between the acitve ones.  Is that (going to be)
> possible?
>
Long question, short answer: no.  This would be a substantial amount of
work for almost imperceptible gain.  If you want to hot-key around amongst
sessions, you can do that with the OS/2 equivalent of Windows' Alt-Tab or
Alt-Esc, whatever that happens to be (I don't have OS/2 handy at the
moment).  And of course you can also "hot mouse" among sessions.

In the future, perhaps we will move in this direction, but there are quite
a few priorities that are considerably higher.

- Frank

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In article <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu>,
> Deutscher <sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> wrote:
>> Would it be possible to allow ckermit to open more than one connection
>> in general? I am using the OS/2 version, also on top of the os/2 telnet
>> ...
> Actually it's not on top of OS/2 Telnet.  C-Kermit *is* Telnet.  The
> Telnet implementation is entirely within C-Kermit, which interfaces to
> OS/2 TCP/IP.
> 
>> (via tcp/ip in the os/2 connect package), and I know I can open a load
>> of telnet sessions and do what I want. However, sometimes I'd rather
>> open another session *in the same* ckermit window, much like it is
>> possible with the NCSA telnet, where one has hot keys to open a new
>> session and to switch between the acitve ones.  Is that (going to be)
>> possible?
>>
> Long question, short answer: no.  This would be a substantial amount of
> work for almost imperceptible gain.  If you want to hot-key around amongst
> sessions, you can do that with the OS/2 equivalent of Windows' Alt-Tab or
> Alt-Esc, whatever that happens to be (I don't have OS/2 handy at the
> moment).  And of course you can also "hot mouse" among sessions.
> 
> In the future, perhaps we will move in this direction, but there are quite
> a few priorities that are considerably higher.
> 
> - Frank
----------
	Adding another comment on this often asked question. If Kermit were
to provide multiple Telnet sessions within itself then it would need to keep
a rather large amount of state and buffer information for each session. I do 
just that in MS-DOS Kermit; the mechanism itself is neither small nor simple.
But MSK has no choice, being a DOS program. As Frank says, "it could be done 
but why bother" when an existing OS/2 systems level mechanism (ALT-ESC, 
warm furries) does much the same job. 
	Also, as soon as that mechanism exists then someone pops up and wants
to panel their screen with sessions. Do you see the problem here with multiple
Kermit internal Telnet sessions?
	Joe D.

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In article <30E1B014.1B1B@csiworld.com>, csi  <csi@csiworld.com> wrote:
>We are looking for a product which enables file transfers from the
>Microvax VMS to PC format. We heard that Kermit allows this.
>
It does indeed.

>Where can we get the appropriate version of Kermit? Any help on how it
>works would be greatly appreciated.
>
The best place to start is the Kermit Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

or send an inquiry by e-mail to kermit-orders@columbia.edu if you don't
have Web access.  Or write to:

  Kermit Distribution
  Columbia University Academic Information Systems
  612 West 115th Street
  New York, NY  10025
  USA

Or fax +1 (212) 663-8202

- Frank

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In <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da
Cruz) wrote:

#   In the future, perhaps we will move in this direction, but
#   there are quite a few priorities that are considerably higher.

Out of curiosity, do any of these priorities involve MSDOS-Kermit, or
has development on that platform essentially stopped?

David Johns

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From: "Ralf Konrad (R. Ziegler)" <konrad@columbia.edu>
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Hello,
i am looking for the specification of the Z-Modem Protocol.

Please mail me any information if you have.

	Thanks
					Ralf Konrad
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re:MSkermit 3.14 P 9

I need to capture many characters (~~2k) using INPUT n text, and then 
extract and act on the contents.  The INPUT command yields a STATUS of 
SUCCESS, implying that the unique characters at the end of the 
transmission have been received, but all attempts to manipulate, extract, 
or even view input buffer contents beyond the first cr fail.  echo 
\v(input) displays only the fist line of text.  \fsubstr, \flength etc 
etc work on only the first line.

I do not see any limitations specified in _Using_MSK_ or *.upd, so I 
conclude the problem must be due to operator error.  What am I doing 
wrong?  Thanks.

Bill




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In article <wpfulmorDKCtpz.9Hz@netcom.com>, wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) writes:
> re:MSkermit 3.14 P 9
> 
> I need to capture many characters (~~2k) using INPUT n text, and then 
> extract and act on the contents.  The INPUT command yields a STATUS of 
> SUCCESS, implying that the unique characters at the end of the 
> transmission have been received, but all attempts to manipulate, extract, 
> or even view input buffer contents beyond the first cr fail.  echo 
> \v(input) displays only the fist line of text.  \fsubstr, \flength etc 
> etc work on only the first line.
> 
> I do not see any limitations specified in _Using_MSK_ or *.upd, so I 
> conclude the problem must be due to operator error.  What am I doing 
> wrong?  Thanks.
-------------
	It's not supported is the proper answer. I would recommend you
deal with small pieces of the incoming stream by a succsssion of INPUT
statements, and retain each line of interest to a variable as you go.
	Joe D.

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> Cruz) wrote:
> 
> #   In the future, perhaps we will move in this direction, but
> #   there are quite a few priorities that are considerably higher.
> 
> Out of curiosity, do any of these priorities involve MSDOS-Kermit, or
> has development on that platform essentially stopped?
-----------
	I hope you favor dogs rather than cats, given what curiosity does.
Just what is it that you need? 
	Joe D.

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From: KMays@msn.com (Kenneth Mays)
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The best way is to contact Columbia University's
Kermit distribution system. The current MSKermit I
know of is MSKermit V3.14. I have it for the IBM
PC. Any notes can be sent to lafreezer@aol.com.

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From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns)
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Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:

#   > Out of curiosity, do any of these priorities involve                  
#   > MSDOS-Kermit, or has development on that platform essentially         
#   > stopped?                                                              
#   -----------
#           I hope you favor dogs rather than cats, given what 
#   curiosity does. Just what is it that you need?
 
Well, I think my vote would go for more functionality in the 
scrollback buffers (mark and save, search, buffer input while viewing 
the buffer, etc.) and a real plain-text session log (and yes, I have 
read the .bwr).  
 
I'd also like to see a way to preserve the scrollback buffer when 
logging out of a TCP session.
 
A nice addition to the script language would be a handful of 
user-defined string triggers, like the string that starts automatic 
ZModem downloads in programs that have that (I think NetTerm, a 
winsock program, also watches for the KERMIT READY TO SEND signal and 
starts a download hands-off).  
 
Someone else has just mentioned having full access to the input 
buffer.  I managed to use \v(input) to get the IP address on a SLIP 
line (thus fully automating the process you outline in the network 
docs), but I can imagine it would be nice to be able to work with more 
than one line.
 
It would be nice to have input that comes in while at the command 
prompt (like when a macro is running or during a transmit) piped back 
into the emulator so that they end up in the log and the buffer.
 
Right now if you call MSK from another program it can read the port 
speed, but not the parity.  I have one system I call that uses 7o1 
(yes, odd parity), so in order to write general transfer scripts (in 
Commo's macro language), I have to parse out the parity and send it to 
Kermit.  Since DOS reports the parity (with MODE and MSD, at least), 
it seems that Kermit should be able to read it.  
 
By the way, I use Commo, calling Kermit for special purposes rather 
than using Kermit for everything primarily because of the first three 
suggestions above.
 
I could probably think of more if you're interested.
 
David Johns


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In article <4c1kem$j5r@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes:
> Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
> 
> #   > Out of curiosity, do any of these priorities involve                  
> #   > MSDOS-Kermit, or has development on that platform essentially         
> #   > stopped?                                                              
> #   -----------
> #           I hope you favor dogs rather than cats, given what 
> #   curiosity does. Just what is it that you need?

	That's quite a wish-list David, and a couple days after the
official due-date! But let me add a few comments on the items as we
talk here on News.
  
> Well, I think my vote would go for more functionality in the 
> scrollback buffers (mark and save, search, buffer input while viewing 
> the buffer, etc.) and a real plain-text session log (and yes, I have 
> read the .bwr).  

	I guess you mean full editing, and hence a reasonably competant
full screen editor to match. That's quite a bit of code, and any editor
would have to work by shutting off comms so that screen and keys remain
strictly local. Also the scroll back buffer normally lives above 1MB, in 
expanded memory. That means the editor needs spill buffers up there too
to handle the large rollback buffers permitted by MSK. I think its easy
to see that this can get out of hand.
	The session log is plain-text if that's all the host sends to us.
Which means it sends a line of text followed by CR/LF, and no cursor 
steering, screen embellishments (bold, reverse video, etc), whatnot that
make up full screen work rather than glass-tty work. Otherwise our screen
is likely decorated semi-randomly as the cursor is moved here and there,
and thus what we see isn't the way things arrive or logged.
  
> I'd also like to see a way to preserve the scrollback buffer when 
> logging out of a TCP session.

	It is preserved, actually. But to see it we must be in terminal
emulation mode where the character sets and visual attributes are available.
It is available when a new session is started, or when we rollback during
another session.
  
> A nice addition to the script language would be a handful of 
> user-defined string triggers, like the string that starts automatic 
> ZModem downloads in programs that have that (I think NetTerm, a 
> winsock program, also watches for the KERMIT READY TO SEND signal and 
> starts a download hands-off).
  
	We've thought about these too. It might help to understand how
matters work. Triggers require that MSK buffer bytes entering the terminal
emulator, do not act on them, and do parsing of the accumulated stream as
each byte arrives. MSK does this for host-triggered printing, and for the
APC command. Those commands are well structured, short, and unambiguous
(not overlapping any other acceptable commands). So, accumulation/constant
reparsing without display and hence bursty screen updates (if any sometimes)
turns out to be not what people would accept, nor would I for that matter.
	We put a lot of thought into the security side too. Whatever happens
must be safe and under control of the user; no launch and forget strategy.
That means we don't launch external programs based on arbitrary strings
arriving. Not only do such strings happen in other circumstances (rather
like the Hayes triple + syndrome) but the consequences may not be what the
user can live with.
  
> Someone else has just mentioned having full access to the input 
> buffer.  I managed to use \v(input) to get the IP address on a SLIP 
> line (thus fully automating the process you outline in the network 
> docs), but I can imagine it would be nice to be able to work with more 
> than one line.

	As mentioned previously, a succession of INPUT statements can
gather a succession of "lines", so that facility exists now.
  
> It would be nice to have input that comes in while at the command 
> prompt (like when a macro is running or during a transmit) piped back 
> into the emulator so that they end up in the log and the buffer.

	You have a point. It's not possible presently. I should caution
that INPUT is not always running and hence there are gaps in the INPUT
buffer stream, and that stream wraps in its circular buffer. INPUT material
does go into the session log.
 
> Right now if you call MSK from another program it can read the port 
> speed, but not the parity.  I have one system I call that uses 7o1 
> (yes, odd parity), so in order to write general transfer scripts (in 
> Commo's macro language), I have to parse out the parity and send it to 
> Kermit.  Since DOS reports the parity (with MODE and MSD, at least), 
> it seems that Kermit should be able to read it.  

	? MSK does not run UART chips with hardware parity. Hardware
parity is a nice way of not communicating due to differences at each
end. MSK uses parity in software and it is highly forgiving during terminal
emulation (SET DISPLAY 7/8 etc). Furthermore, during file transfers MSK
automatically determines parity as much as is possible, and switches to
it with a message. I can add code to probe the UART for existing parity,
if that would really do a lot of good.
  
> By the way, I use Commo, calling Kermit for special purposes rather 
> than using Kermit for everything primarily because of the first three 
> suggestions above.
>  
> I could probably think of more if you're interested.

	Wishlists are always welcomed, even though only portions are
possible to include in the programs.
 
> David Johns

	Thanks David,
	Joe D.

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In reply to the responses by Frank and Joe: Okay, I am convinced it is NOT A
GOOD THING (tm). I agree completely that the priorities ought to be on more
important things, and when you say it wouldn't be an easy one to implement,
then I know and happily accept that. The argument with different terminal
sizes for different hotkeyed sessions is quite convincing, too. So -- never
mind. Happy New Year, and thanks for having taken the time to reply!

Stefan

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Deutscher (sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu) wrote:
: In reply to the responses by Frank and Joe: Okay, I am convinced it is NOT A
: GOOD THING (tm). I agree completely that the priorities ought to be on more

The original query had to do with multiple connections from K-95.
I only have one host where I would like multiple connections, and the
"clone" button in the K-95 dialer allowed very quick work of making the
multiples, even if I were only going to use it one time.

I found K-95 difficult to install up to a moderately working state, but it is
so incredibly flexible.  As I'm hacking scripts to automate some work at my
telephone company, and I realize the disparate systems that I am using,
ranging from a 286-running MSDOS 3.3/MSK-3.14, acting as a 1/2" tape 
reader/kermit server, through Win-95,/K-95; UnixWare, ESIX, an Octel Voice
Mail system, DEX-600 and Stromberg Telephone switches.

I have tried other comm programs, but!!!

I can prototype and "program" scripts anywhere.  I run awk against data sets
on the UNIX boxes to create .tak files that can then be run from either of
the UNIX platforms, or one of the techs can run them from home under
MSKermit without modification.

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Subject: HELP, Kermit keeps sending ZIP files as text
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	Sometimes when I transfer .ZIP files with Kermit (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 &
C-Kermit 5A(190) OpenVMS VAX) it send them as "Text, Transparent to CP437"
instead of as "Binary".  I've set both sides to binary but it still goes back 
to text.  Is their any way to force Kermit to send then as binary?

Krista Haught
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In article <1995Dec25.030355.1@muvms6>,  <haught5@muvms6.wvnet.edu> wrote:

>Sometimes when I transfer .ZIP files with Kermit (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 &
>C-Kermit 5A(190) OpenVMS VAX) it send them as "Text, Transparent to
>CP437" instead of as "Binary".  I've set both sides to binary but it
>still goes back to text.  Is their any way to force Kermit to send then
>as binary?
>
You didn't say which direction you are sending the ZIP files, but let me
guess: it's from the VAX to the PC.  To answer your question: yes.  Tell
VMS C-Kermit to "set file type image".

I'd be tempted to add this question and answer (and the explanation for it)
to our FAQ if it were not already documented clearly and prominently in
the VMS Appendix of the C-Kermit manual, "Using C-Kermit", most notably on
page 412 (just look up "ZIP" in the index).

- Frank

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In <4c6c2e$q34@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da
Cruz) wrote:

[RE: VAX/VMS and ZIP files]

#   I'd be tempted to add this question and answer (and the
#   explanation for it) to our FAQ if it were not already
#   documented clearly and prominently in the VMS Appendix of the
#   C-Kermit manual, "Using C-Kermit", most notably on page 412
#   (just look up "ZIP" in the index).

Ummm, Frank, it *is* in the MS-DOS Kermit FAQ (item 10).  And I hope
you'll continue to put C-Kermit problems in the MS-Kermit docs, since
most of us can't find an intelligent life form at the other end of the
dial-ups we use.

David Johns

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cabal@citadel.umd.edu (Arcadio A. Sincero) wrote:

>In article <4as15o$p6t@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, Bake Timmons wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>  We dial in to a VMS account and there's no chance of getting anything
>>  set up on that end except kermit.  Is it possible to use our Linux box
>>  at home with cron and kermit to automatically send and receive the
>>  internet mail to and from our VMS account.   Thanks!  I'll summarize if
>>  response warrants.


>	Sorry for not emailing 'ya instead.  I still haven't figure out how
>to get email working on my Linux box yet.  Anyhow ...

>	This is just an idea.  You might wanna try runnin' SLiRP on your VMS
>account.  SLiRP is a TCP/IP emulator ... it'll letcha set up a SLIP/PPP link
>from a UNIX shell!  Real handy.  There are some limitations, but I haven't
>run into any major ones yet.  Might be worth a try.  You can obtain a copy
>from sunsite.

I have used a program called NUpop.  It can use SLIP, direct network,
or serial dialup to access a POP server.  If you have a POP server,
you may want to try NUpop at ftp://ftp.acns.nwu.edu/pub/nupop/

Anthony E. Greene <agreene@northnet.org>
Webmaster, Americal Division Veterans Association
http://www3.servtech.com/americal/


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Subject: Re: Specification of the Z-Modem Protocol
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Hello, 

i am looking for the specification of the Z-Modem Protocol.

Please mail me any information if you have.

	Thanks
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In <1995Dec29.173301.70177@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:

#   > Well, I think my vote would go for more functionality in the
#   > scrollback buffers (mark and save, search, buffer input while
#   > viewing the buffer, etc.) and a real plain-text session log
#   > (and yes, I have read the .bwr).
#
#         I guess you mean full editing, and hence a reasonably
#   competant full screen editor to match.

Heavens, no.  I say what I mean and mean what I say.  I've never heard
of an editable scrollback buffer, but I do find searching and blocking
for copy very useful.

#   The session log is plain-text if that's all the host sends to
#   us. Which means it sends a line of text followed by CR/LF, and
#   no cursor steering, screen embellishments (bold, reverse
#   video, etc), whatnot that make up full screen work rather than
#   glass-tty work. Otherwise our screen is likely decorated
#   semi-randomly as the cursor is moved here and there, and thus
#   what we see isn't the way things arrive or logged.

But most other comm programs I've seen save the buffer as plain text,
even if it came through as vtxxx.  I can see some value to being able
to replay the original, especially when there was a lot of screen
manipulation.  But if I can't have both, I'd rather have the plain
text log.

> A nice addition to the script language would be a handful of
> user-defined string triggers, like the string that starts automatic
> ZModem downloads in programs that have that (I think NetTerm, a
> winsock program, also watches for the KERMIT READY TO SEND signal and
> starts a download hands-off).

#         We've thought about these too. It might help to
#   understand how matters work. Triggers require that MSK buffer
#   bytes entering the terminal emulator, do not act on them, and
#   do parsing of the accumulated stream as each byte arrives. MSK
#   does this for host-triggered printing, and for the APC
#   command. Those commands are well structured, short, and
#   unambiguous (not overlapping any other acceptable commands).
#   So, accumulation/constant reparsing without display and hence
#   bursty screen updates (if any sometimes) turns out to be not
#   what people would accept, nor would I for that matter.

Well, Commo has them, and I've never noticed any burstiness.

#         We put a lot of thought into the security side too.
#   Whatever happens must be safe and under control of the user;
#   no launch and forget strategy. That means we don't launch
#   external programs based on arbitrary strings arriving. Not
#   only do such strings happen in other circumstances (rather
#   like the Hayes triple + syndrome) but the consequences may not
#   be what the user can live with.

A moment of levity is due.  I didn't think of that when I wrote that I
have Commo set to recognize KERMIT*READY*TO*SEND, and as a
consequence, when I tried to read your answer, which quoted the above
line (without the *'s, of course),  I'd find myself in Kermit with
errors accumulating.  I'd exit and Commo would apparently rewrite the
screen, throwing me into Kermit again, and again, and again.  And
Commo had called KERLITE.EXE, so I couldn't just continue the session
in the Kermit emulator.

But still, I say let the user beware.  If the strings are
user-selectable, then he doesn't have to turn them on in situations
where there might be danger.

#         As mentioned previously, a succession of INPUT
#   statements can gather a succession of "lines", so that
#   facility [access to the input buffer] exists now.

Yes, I understand now.

> It would be nice to have input that comes in while at the command
> prompt (like when a macro is running or during a transmit) piped back
> into the emulator so that they end up in the log and the buffer.

      You have a point. It's not possible presently. I should caution
that INPUT is not always running and hence there are gaps in the INPUT
buffer stream, and that stream wraps in its circular buffer. INPUT material
does go into the session log.

#         ? MSK does not run UART chips with hardware parity.
#   Hardware parity is a nice way of not communicating due to
#   differences at each end. MSK uses parity in software and it is
#   highly forgiving during terminal emulation (SET DISPLAY 7/8
#   etc). Furthermore, during file transfers MSK automatically
#   determines parity as much as is possible, and switches to it
#   with a message. I can add code to probe the UART for existing
#   parity, if that would really do a lot of good.

Well, I can't imagine that there are many systems out there like the
one I have to deal with.  It was apparently installed and abandoned
under some Texas Instruments contract, and whether the dial-up line
was set at 7o1 by perverse design or by accident, I don't know.  But
while the file transfer mechanism will indeed notice the problem, the
emulator won't.  Most people who tried this system had given up
because they either couldn't log in or their input was mangled, until
I stumbled upon the problem.  No, it's probably not worth changing
now.  I just though that since you do notice some characteristics of
the comm port, why not all of them?

#         Wishlists are always welcomed, even though only portions
#   are possible to include in the programs.

Glad to hear it.  What's the best place to deliver them?

David Johns

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times)
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In article <4ccmsk$1pe@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
> In <1995Dec29.173301.70177@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:
> 
> #   > Well, I think my vote would go for more functionality in the
> #   > scrollback buffers (mark and save, search, buffer input while
> #   > viewing the buffer, etc.) and a real plain-text session log
> #   > (and yes, I have read the .bwr).
> #
> #         I guess you mean full editing, and hence a reasonably
> #   competant full screen editor to match.
> 
> Heavens, no.  I say what I mean and mean what I say.  I've never heard
> of an editable scrollback buffer, but I do find searching and blocking
> for copy very useful.

	Yes, I understand. But that's only one side of the operation. The
other is where to put the cut material and what happens to material into
whose midst the information goes. And undoing actions, and spiffing up
items, plus the inevitable search part of things, and... This is a camel
sniffing the canvas apparatus.
	I'm not stonewalling, really, but I've been along paths of this
kind many times.
 
> #   The session log is plain-text if that's all the host sends to
> #   us. Which means it sends a line of text followed by CR/LF, and
> #   no cursor steering, screen embellishments (bold, reverse
> #   video, etc), whatnot that make up full screen work rather than
> #   glass-tty work. Otherwise our screen is likely decorated
> #   semi-randomly as the cursor is moved here and there, and thus
> #   what we see isn't the way things arrive or logged.
> 
> But most other comm programs I've seen save the buffer as plain text,
> even if it came through as vtxxx.  I can see some value to being able
> to replay the original, especially when there was a lot of screen
> manipulation.  But if I can't have both, I'd rather have the plain
> text log.

	Have you considered this approach (which is a designed-in capability):
SET PRINTER filename, Connect, when wishing to capture material press 
CONTROL-PRINTSCRN, see PRN on the status line meaning printing is active, 
press again to toggle off. This is DEC controller printing (not transparent 
printing). And that means (quoting from MSK distribution file msvibm.vt):

 Control-PrtSc   PRTSCN        Toggle  on/off copying of received text to
                               printer, "PRN" shows on far right of mode
                               line when activated.
 


 CSI Pn i	MC		Printer controls (Media Copy)
			Pn	
			0	Print whole Screen
			4	Exit printer controller (transparent print)
			5	Enter printer controller (transparent print)

Transparent printing sends all output, except the CSI 4 i termination string,
to the printer and not the screen, uses an 8-bit channel if no parity so NUL
and DEL will be seen by the printer and by the termination recognizer code,
and all translation and character set selections are bypassed.

 CSI ? Pn i	MC		DEC Printer controls (Media Copy)
			Pn
			1	Print line containing cursor
			4	Exit autoprint (stop echoing to printer)
			5	Enter autoprint (echo screen chars to printer)

Autoprint prints a final display line only when the cursor is moved off the
line by an autowrap or LF, FF,	or VT (otherwise do not print the line).


> #         ? MSK does not run UART chips with hardware parity.
> #   Hardware parity is a nice way of not communicating due to
> #   differences at each end. MSK uses parity in software and it is
> #   highly forgiving during terminal emulation (SET DISPLAY 7/8
> #   etc). Furthermore, during file transfers MSK automatically
> #   determines parity as much as is possible, and switches to it
> #   with a message. I can add code to probe the UART for existing
> #   parity, if that would really do a lot of good.
> 
> Well, I can't imagine that there are many systems out there like the
> one I have to deal with.  It was apparently installed and abandoned
> under some Texas Instruments contract, and whether the dial-up line
> was set at 7o1 by perverse design or by accident, I don't know.  But
> while the file transfer mechanism will indeed notice the problem, the
> emulator won't.  Most people who tried this system had given up
> because they either couldn't log in or their input was mangled, until
> I stumbled upon the problem.  No, it's probably not worth changing
> now.  I just though that since you do notice some characteristics of
> the comm port, why not all of them?

	Because parity on serial ports is worthless, in my opinon, and
it is often the source of user confusion as you have just indicated.
 
> #         Wishlists are always welcomed, even though only portions
> #   are possible to include in the programs.
> 
> Glad to hear it.  What's the best place to deliver them?

	You can try right here, where other readers can comment too. 
Alternatives include to Columbia and to me directly. But let's not make a 
large production over each item because there are already too few hours in 
each day.
	Joe D.
 
> David Johns

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From: thalmann@ruf.uni-freiburg.de (I. Thalmann)
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Subject: K95 - Dialer crashes after update to version 1.1.2
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Hi,

having updated K95 from version 1.1.1 to 1.1.2 using the patch
w111-112.rtp my dialer won't work any longer. Whenever I try to add a
new entry or edit an existing one the K95-dialer crashes.

BTW, with version 1.1.1 there was no problem apart from the documented
bugs.

Any help will be appreciated

TIA

Ingo

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From: rmcmanus@simba2 (Russ McManus)
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I am using c-kermit from linux 1.2.13 to dial in 
to my isp to access a shell account, but I am reading 
lots of spurious data from the modem.

I connect successfully, but the login menu is interspersed
with gibberish, and the modem continues to read gibberish.

I have called my isp to check the connection parameters,
which are 8bits, 19200 speed, no parity, hardware (rts/cts)
flow control.

I use these same connection parameters to dial into another
account I have at work, with no difficulties.

I have read the section in "Using C Kermit" on debugging
connections, and have tried 'set debug session', so
now I can see lots of printable gibberish.

What should I try next?  Do the two modems not agree about
the speed of the connection?  Should I try sending a 'break'?
How does one debug such a problem?

thanks for any suggestions,

russ


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In <1996Jan2.200956.70335@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:

#         Yes, I understand. But that's only one side of the
#   operation.

I must be missing something here, since it seems to me that you're
making things much more complicated than they are.

#   The other is where to put the cut material

You put it in a file, like a screen dump.  It's more functional than a
screen dump, though, because you copy only what you want to and don't
have duplicated lines if you don't get the screen aligned properly.

#   and what happens to material into whose midst the information
#   goes.

It's appended.

#   And undoing actions, and spiffing up items, plus the
#   inevitable search part of things, and... This is a camel
#   sniffing the canvas apparatus. I'm not stonewalling, really,
#   but I've been along paths of this kind many times.

I don't know why you'd want all this stuff.  Once it's copied to a
file, it's no longer Kermit's responsibility.  The buffer is never
changed.

#         Have you considered this approach (which is a
#   designed-in capability): SET PRINTER filename, Connect, when
#   wishing to capture material press CONTROL-PRINTSCRN, see PRN
#   on the status line meaning printing is active, press again to
#   toggle off. This is DEC controller printing (not transparent
#   printing). And that means (quoting from MSK distribution file
#   msvibm.vt):

I don't completely follow this, but I don't want the printing (to
file) controlled from the host.  I think I did stumble on this
solution once before, but gave up on it because I couldn't automate it
-- there seemed to be no way to give the ctrl-printscreen command from
a script.  This led me to conclude (rightly or wrongly -- and long
before I discovered this group) that you could always assign macros to
keys, but there were built-in key verbs that couldn't be used as
script commands.  If I'm right, that's another item for my wish list
:-).

#         You can try right here, where other readers can comment
#   too. Alternatives include to Columbia and to me directly. But
#   let's not make a large production over each item because there
#   are already too few hours in each day.

Feel free to ignore my suggestions -- most people do :-).  On the
other hand, I think it's obvious to most software users that the
designers are far too remote from the everyday application of their
product, and I'm amazed and impressed that you and Frank monitor a
group like this on a daily basis.

David Johns

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: K95 - Dialer crashes after update to version 1.1.2
Date: 3 Jan 1996 17:00:47 GMT
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In article <4cdo7q$r7l@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>,
I. Thalmann <thalmann@ruf.uni-freiburg.de> wrote:
>having updated K95 from version 1.1.1 to 1.1.2 using the patch
>w111-112.rtp my dialer won't work any longer. Whenever I try to add a
>new entry or edit an existing one the K95-dialer crashes.
>
>BTW, with version 1.1.1 there was no problem apart from the documented
>bugs.
>
This is a puzzler.  Evidently some (but not all) people had some
trouble after patching from 1.1.1 to 1.1.2, for reasons as yet unknown.

Try reinstalling from the original diskettes and then applying to
1.1.0-to-1.1.2 patch.  If that doesn't work, send email straight to
kermit-support@columbia.edu and we'll get it fixed for you.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: debugging a serial connection
Date: 3 Jan 1996 17:07:23 GMT
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In article <yg520ph1iln.fsf@simba2>,
Russ McManus <rmcmanus@jpmorgan.com> wrote:
: I am using c-kermit from linux 1.2.13 to dial in 
: to my isp to access a shell account, but I am reading 
: lots of spurious data from the modem.
: 
: I connect successfully, but the login menu is interspersed
: with gibberish, and the modem continues to read gibberish.
: 
: I have called my isp to check the connection parameters,
: which are 8bits, 19200 speed, no parity, hardware (rts/cts)
: flow control.
: 
What about error correction?

: I use these same connection parameters to dial into another
: account I have at work, with no difficulties.
: 
: I have read the section in "Using C Kermit" on debugging
: connections, and have tried 'set debug session', so
: now I can see lots of printable gibberish.
: 
: What should I try next?  Do the two modems not agree about
: the speed of the connection?  Should I try sending a 'break'?
: How does one debug such a problem?
: 
Gibberish is generally caused by one or more of the following:

 1. Line noise
 2. A lack of effective flow control
 3. Parity mismatch

Line noise would appear if your particular connection is noisy
(e.g. telephone company problem) and if the two modems have not
negotiated an error correction protocol.

Effective flow control requires the cooperation of:

 1. The Kermit software on your PC (set flow rts/cts).
 2. The underlying Linux comm port driver.
 3. Your modem (did you give it the command to enable RTS/CTS?).
 4. The modem on the other end.
 5. The thing that the modem on the other end is connected to.

To check for a parity mismatch, try telling Kermit to "set parity space"
and see if the garbage goes away.

- Frank

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From: Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu>
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>>>>> "RM" == Russ McManus <rmcmanus@simba2> writes:

RM> I have called my isp to check the connection parameters, which are
RM> 8bits, 19200 speed, no parity, hardware (rts/cts) flow control.

Do you have a 16550 UART, or an older chip like the 8250?  If you have
an 8250 then anything higher than a 9600 baud base connect speed will be
problematical at best and unusable at worst.  MSD (in your DOS or
Windows directories if you have them) will tell you what you have for a
serial controller.  If you have an 8250 you should look into upgrading
the chip itself or the serial boad (they're cheap).

BTW, you need to fix this:
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"simba2" is not a fully qualified domain name, which is what should
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From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns)
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Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:

#   > I'd also like to see a way to preserve the scrollback buffer
#   > when logging out of a TCP session.
#
#           It is preserved, actually. But to see it we must be in
#   terminal emulation mode where the character sets and visual
#   attributes are available. It is available when a new session
#   is started, or when we rollback during another session.

I just ran a little test.  I started up a TCP session on host A and
then started up another on host B.  While on host B the screen data
from host A were still visible.  I then went back to host A, but found
that nothing in the B session was in the scrollback buffer.  I then
created a new screen on A and switched back to B.  Nothing of the new
A material was visible on B.

So it looks like rather than having one continuous buffer, when you
start a new buffer, old material "seeds" it, but nothing new gets
added.

Also, when you log off of simultaneous sessions, each buffer is lost
except for the last one.  If you try to look at that one by entering
C, Kermit will also reconnect, so you have to deal with the login
prompt.

All this doesn't seem like a system that anyone would actually design
intentionally.

David Johns
#   > I'd also like to see a way to preserve the scrollback buffer
#   > when logging out of a TCP session.
#
#           It is preserved, actually. But to see it we must be in
#   terminal emulation mode where the character sets and visual
#   attributes are available. It is available when a new session
#   is started, or when we rollback during another session.

I just ran a little test.  I started up a TCP session on host A and
then started up another on host B.  While on host B the screen data
from host A were still visible.  I then went back to host A, but found
that nothing in the B session was in the scrollback buffer.  I then
created a new screen on A and switched back to B.  Nothing of the new
A material was visible on B.

So it looks like rather than having one continuous buffer, when you
start a new buffer, old material "seeds" it, but nothing new gets
added.

Also, when you log off of simultaneous sessions, each buffer is lost
except for the last one.  If you try to look at that one by entering
C, Kermit will also reconnect, so you have to deal with the login
prompt.

All this doesn't seem like a system that anyone would actually design
intentionally.

David Johns


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From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
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Subject: Windows95/Kermit95 tidbits
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 20:55:12 GMT
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Here's a couple of tidbits I'd like to share with other Kermit95 users. They
are:

	A. Gaining greater control over terminal window appearance
	B. Getting things to happen automatically

A. You can gain considerable control over the appearance of K95's terminal
window (as much as you have over a DOS box) and not sacrifice a bit of
Kermit's excellent terminal emulation.

1. Copy c:\windows\dosprmpt.pif to c:\k95\k95.pif.

2. Set k95.pif's "properties" so that it:

	(i) runs the program k95.exe
	(ii) has enough environment, 2048 bytes should be sufficient ("Auto"

	won't work since K95 is a Windows program not a DOS one)


Someone suggested also turning off EMS; it's not clear to me that this is
necessary (since I don't have EMS).

3. Wherever you would start k95.exe, start k95.pif instead. Unfortunately,
the dialer will always start k95.exe, but if you use tidbit B, you can make
connections as easily as with the dialer, but without it. 

The PIF allows you to set things like font, window size, behavior at exit,
and so on, as you well know. Also, started in this way, Windows95 will
remember the location of the window ... in case you don't like it always
starting in the upper-right corner of the desktop.

FREEBIE: Starting K95 in this way also cures an unfortunate situation (not
Kermit's fault) wherein if an app (say, Netscape, for telnetting) starts
K95.exe, Windows does not hand over the keyboard to K95, making for a very
uninteresting telnet session. Just start k95.pif instead ... the problem
goes away. The appropriate telnet command for Netscape is:

	k95.pif -c -j

Netscape supplies the hostname.


B. Making things happen automatically. This is best illustrated by example:

I have an oft-used entry called "Telnet gamera" in the K95 dialer. When I
use the dialer to get to gamera, the dialer writes the script
k95\tmp\telnet_gamera.scr then starts the "engine" (k95.exe) telling it to
"take" the script. This is how the dialer starts all connections.

1. I told the dialer to save this script by putting "set startup-file keep"
in k95.ini

2. I copied k95\tmp\telnet_gamera.scr to k95\scripts\gamera.ksc (use any
extension here which has no W95 associations; don't use "scr" since W95
thinks they're screensaver files)

3. In Explorer/View/Options/FileTypes, I created the file type "Kermit
script", assigned it the extension ".ksc" and associated with "Open" 
the action:

 		c:\k95\k95.exe -SC "take %1"

	[Or use "pif" instead of "exe" if you use tidbit A.]

(This is literal; S means "stay" [don't exit upon return to the K95 prompt];
C means execute the Kermit command that follows.)

Voila! double-click "gamera.ksc" (or a shortcut to it) and a few moments
later, I'm sitting at gamera's prompt. I've done this for all my frequent
connections (telnet, dialed, and a direct connect via null modem to Linux
too) and put shortcuts to each in a folder on my start menu. Now, a few
clicks gets me there without messing with the dialer ... convenient!

And I discovered that the ksc file did not have to be anywhere special, 
since Windows95 passes a fully qualified drive:\path\name (%1) to K95.exe.

And, of course, when Explorer shows me one of these ksc files in a folder 
(with details) it identified as being of the type "Kermit script".

Enjoy!

 - Vince
___
   Vincent Fatica
   Syracuse University Mathematics
   vefatica@syr.edu
   http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/

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From: Gary Gladney <gladney@columbia.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit 95 & wsock
Date: 3 Jan 1996 19:29:58 GMT
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I am trying to use Kermit 95 while using a SLIP connection.  I get this error
mesage when I try and telnet using Kermit 95 "Cannot connect to socket" .  I
am using the trumpet winsock 2.0 and I noticed that windows 95 comes with 
somting called wsock.exe (I think that what it is) and Trumpet uses Winsock.exe
  There was also a Winsock.exe for Windows 95 but the Trumpet software would 
not work using that so I save the old Winsock.exe and copied the one from the
Trumpet distribution and that seems to work.  All the comm aplications that was
written for windows 3.1 and 3.11 seem to run fine but I cannot get the windows
95 comm aplications to work.  Does anyone know if Trumpet has a Windows 95 
version of thier Winsock ?

thanks for the help
gary gladney  gladney@stsci.edu


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Kermit 95 & wsock
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In article <4celfm$a0j@marvel.stsci.edu>, Gary Gladney  <gladney> wrote:
>I am trying to use Kermit 95 while using a SLIP connection.  I get this error
>mesage when I try and telnet using Kermit 95 "Cannot connect to socket" .  I
>am using the trumpet winsock 2.0 and I noticed that windows 95 comes with 
>somting called wsock.exe (I think that what it is) and Trumpet uses Winsock.exe
>  There was also a Winsock.exe for Windows 95 but the Trumpet software would 
>not work using that so I save the old Winsock.exe and copied the one from the
>Trumpet distribution and that seems to work.  All the comm aplications that was
>written for windows 3.1 and 3.11 seem to run fine but I cannot get the windows
>95 comm aplications to work.  Does anyone know if Trumpet has a Windows 95 
>version of thier Winsock ?


Kermit-95 is a 32-bit WinSock application and requires the 32-bit DLL.
The 32-bit DLL is not part of the current Trumpet distribution and so 
Windows 95 TCP/IP applications will not work with it.

There is a 32-bit Trumpet current in Beta test.  But it is not ready for
release and is not free for the taking.

Kermit-95 from release 1.1.2 on up will work with the upcoming 32-bit
Trumpet TCP/IP WinSock stack.


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               * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
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From: Jeff Heim <jheim@mitre.org>
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Subject: ISDN?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 15:00:16 -0800
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This may be a really dumb question, it's
definitely naive.  But does Kermit work
with ISDN and is it something that one would
want to do?

I'm currently using Kermit and some 28.8 modems.
The files that I'm transferring may get a lot
bigger and I need to come up with some alternatives.
I haven't seen any discussion of ISDN in the faq, 
the book, or this newsgroup.

If anyone can shed some light I'd appreciate
it, just don't make the flame too hot.

Thanks,

Jeff Heim
The Mitre Corporation

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <30EB0A80.B86@mitre.org>, Jeff Heim  <jheim@mitre.org> wrote:
>This may be a really dumb question, it's
>definitely naive.  But does Kermit work
>with ISDN and is it something that one would
>want to do?

It depends on how you have your ISDN connection set up.
In most cases you will use ISDN as a wire for a TCP/IP connection.
In which case Kermit software will work just as it always does
over the IP network.

The other way to use ISDN is as a digital telephone.  In this case
you would need to be calling another number that is also an ISDN
number.  When used in this manner the ISDN drivers will provide a
virtual COM port driver.  Kermit (or any other communications 
software) would then talk to the ISDN modem via this virtual COM 
port.

So the answer is 'yes' whichever way you want to do it.  Kermit
does indeed work with ISDN.

Whether you want to do it depends on how much money you have to 
spend and whether or not it is available in your area.



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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <4cekcm$jos@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes:
> Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
> 
> #   > I'd also like to see a way to preserve the scrollback buffer
> #   > when logging out of a TCP session.
> #
> #           It is preserved, actually. But to see it we must be in
> #   terminal emulation mode where the character sets and visual
> #   attributes are available. It is available when a new session
> #   is started, or when we rollback during another session.
> 
> I just ran a little test.  I started up a TCP session on host A and
> then started up another on host B.  While on host B the screen data
> from host A were still visible.  I then went back to host A, but found
> that nothing in the B session was in the scrollback buffer.  I then
> created a new screen on A and switched back to B.  Nothing of the new
> A material was visible on B.

	Something isn't right at your place. This does not happen here.
Each fresh Telnet session gets a fresh startup screen, a clean one.
Which version of MSK please, and is the scrollback buffer in expanded
memory (and is that memory given a safe place for its frame buffer?).
SHOW TERM will tell if the buffer is in expanded memory (Term: expanded-memory
on or off).
 
> So it looks like rather than having one continuous buffer, when you
> start a new buffer, old material "seeds" it, but nothing new gets
> added.

	There's no seeding per se. There is only one scrollback buffer,
which can be gigantic. What is added are lines scrolled off the top
of the screen. If no scroll off the top then no scrollback information.
 
> Also, when you log off of simultaneous sessions, each buffer is lost
> except for the last one.  If you try to look at that one by entering
> C, Kermit will also reconnect, so you have to deal with the login
> prompt.

	No, the scrollback buffer persists. The active screen vanishes
however because it is not in the scrollback buffer.
 
> All this doesn't seem like a system that anyone would actually design
> intentionally.

	But I did, and I find it to be productive yet use only reasonable
resources. It could be better, but that will cost.
	Thanks,
        Joe D.

> David Johns

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From: richa@cartermill.com (Mr. Atkinson)
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Subject: Kermit for Solaris
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Hi there,

Does anyone know where I could get a copy of kermit for Solaris 2.3 ??
Thanks in advance.

R.Atkinson

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i am using kermit to transmit files from a PC to a PDT-3300 portable terminal.  earlier in the summer when 
performing some initial testing i found that when transmitting a file that already existed on the portable 
that the new file was renamed...which is what i expected.  presently, when i transmit a file that already
exists it is just overwriting the file.  i have checked the MSKERMIT.INI file and i do have SET WARNING
ON.  i did a SHOW FILE command and it confirmed that files that already existed would be renamed to
a new file.  but...this is not occurring.  can anyone give me suggestions of what is going wrong?

thanks in advance...

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From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns)
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Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:

#           Something isn't right at your place. This does not
#   happen here. Each fresh Telnet session gets a fresh startup
#   screen, a clean one. Which version of MSK please, and is the
#   scrollback buffer in expanded memory (and is that memory given
#   a safe place for its frame buffer?). SHOW TERM will tell if
#   the buffer is in expanded memory (Term: expanded-memory on or
#   off).
#
#   [...]
#
#           There's no seeding per se. There is only one
#   scrollback buffer, which can be gigantic. What is added are
#   lines scrolled off the top of the screen. If no scroll off the
#   top then no scrollback information.
#
#   [...]
#
#           No, the scrollback buffer persists. The active screen
#   vanishes however because it is not in the scrollback buffer.
 
Oops!  It never occurred to me that the current screen isn't part of
the buffer, since you never have the buffer without the current screen
in a serial connection.  When I generated data beyond the first
screen, it worked right.

I think I'll admit to wishing for the moon here.  The only "logical"
design is for each session to have its own buffer, including the
current screen -- and also its own emulator, key assignments, etc.
And of course that's what happens with winsock programs, because each
session is a separate process.  But I can see that multiple sessions
under DOS just can't be done to the same completeness, at least
without all sorts of virtual memory arrangements.

Never mind! :-)

David Johns

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Does Kermit keep track of how many bytes have been sent/received
on the current connection ?
 
The reason why I am asking this is that the we will be connecting to
our customer via X.25.  Kermit is used to telnet to a Cisco box which
automatically opens a X.25 connection to the customers machine.  
We then charge the customers based on the connection cost (+ the
work involved).  The problem is that X.25 connection cost is not only
based on how long the connection was open but also on how much data
was sent/received.  If it would be possible to get that information
from kermit, then it would make it easy to store that information in
a log file.  

 
Thanks
  Steinthor Bjarnason
  CBA A/S
  Oslo, Norway
-- 
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perlange@oslonett.no   |                       |

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Hello. I am trying to upload some files using kermit and
comit. On my Unix account I type "kermit" and then "r"
at the kermit prompt. Then I go to comit's menu and choose
"Send", "xmodem" options. However, the file does not get 
transferred. I have also tried doing the procedure in reverse,
i.e., running comit's menu options and then entering kermit.

I would greatly appreciate any suggestions via email.
Thank you for your time.

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From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax)
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In article <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no>, Per H Lange <perlange@sn.no> wrote:
>Does Kermit keep track of how many bytes have been sent/received
>on the current connection ?
 
You could log the entire session to a log file and then check the
size of the log file.

marshall
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                  [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com]

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <4ch6v1$e55@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes:
> Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
> 
> #           Something isn't right at your place. This does not
> #   happen here. Each fresh Telnet session gets a fresh startup
> #   screen, a clean one. Which version of MSK please, and is the
> #   scrollback buffer in expanded memory (and is that memory given
> #   a safe place for its frame buffer?). SHOW TERM will tell if
> #   the buffer is in expanded memory (Term: expanded-memory on or
> #   off).
> #
> #   [...]
> #
> #           There's no seeding per se. There is only one
> #   scrollback buffer, which can be gigantic. What is added are
> #   lines scrolled off the top of the screen. If no scroll off the
> #   top then no scrollback information.
> #
> #   [...]
> #
> #           No, the scrollback buffer persists. The active screen
> #   vanishes however because it is not in the scrollback buffer.
>  
> Oops!  It never occurred to me that the current screen isn't part of
> the buffer, since you never have the buffer without the current screen
> in a serial connection.  When I generated data beyond the first
> screen, it worked right.
> 
> I think I'll admit to wishing for the moon here.  The only "logical"
> design is for each session to have its own buffer, including the
> current screen -- and also its own emulator, key assignments, etc.
> And of course that's what happens with winsock programs, because each
> session is a separate process.  But I can see that multiple sessions
> under DOS just can't be done to the same completeness, at least
> without all sorts of virtual memory arrangements.
> 
> Never mind! :-)
> 
> David Johns
---------
	MSK's Telnet sessions are completely separate up to the point of
using one scrollback buffer, and that buffer is in expanded memory if you
let it be there. Each session has its own terminal emulation characteristics
including keyboard layout. It's in the release docs. Scrollback buffers
get to be just plain too large to keep in physical memory, and as you say
we get involved with swapping systems (ugh). I can offer my own reaction to
all this because I very often run with several simultaneous Telnet sessions
to keep slightly ahead of the deluge: the current method works out ok, could
be a tad better but it's effective as-is.
	Joe D.

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <4chkv8$n1v@newslink.runet.edu>, Ilya <ibelooze@runet.edu> wrote:
>
>Hello. I am trying to upload some files using kermit and
>comit. On my Unix account I type "kermit" and then "r"
>at the kermit prompt. Then I go to comit's menu and choose
>"Send", "xmodem" options. However, the file does not get 
>transferred. I have also tried doing the procedure in reverse,
>i.e., running comit's menu options and then entering kermit.

Your problem is that you are trying to send with "xmodem" 
and receive with "kermit".  These are two completely different
and incompatible file transfer protocols.

Try using a communications program like MS-DOS Kermit which supports
Kermit file transfer protocol on your PC.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
               * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
  C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html
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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Ilya (ibelooze@runet.edu) wrote:

: Hello. I am trying to upload some files using kermit and
: comit. On my Unix account I type "kermit" and then "r"

The kermit command, entered this way, expects kermit protocol for the
transfer.

: at the kermit prompt. Then I go to comit's menu and choose
: "Send", "xmodem" options. However, the file does not get 

You are sending in an XModem protocol, which Kermit doesn't understand.

Rather than using COMIT, which probably came free with your modem because no
one would ever pay for it, why not try MSKermit, since you already have
kermit on the Unix machine.

Details via email.

-- 
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                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth)
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Is it possible to direct connect network cards on two machines
and running a minimal tcp/ip "network" using kermit?  What ip
addresses would one use?  Would it be necessary to have a name
server configure?

>From an ethernet faq, I know that you can connect two (and only)
two cards using 10-BaseT wiring with a cross over to get
something similar to an ethernet "null modem" but I've not found
any discussion of software setup for such a configuration.  The
connections I am thinking of would be

OS2 Connect -> MsDos Kermit
SCO UNIX ODT -> MsDos Kermit
MsDos Kermit -> MsDos Kermit

--
Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield,
Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk

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From: Ken Banks <banks@columbia.edu>
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Subject: Kermit code for Intel 8051 family ?
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I'm looking for kermit code for the Intel 8031 8-bit microcontroller.

Any sources? Couldn't find it at columbia.edu.

Thanks


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In article <4cg6pd$h1r@bsdi002.britain.eu.net>,
Mr. Atkinson <richa@cartermill.com> wrote:
: Does anyone know where I could get a copy of kermit for Solaris 2.3 ??
: Thanks in advance.
:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/unix.html

- Frank




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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: using kermit w/ vertex software and PDT-3300 terminal
Date: 5 Jan 1996 15:18:13 GMT
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In article <4cgtd3$m5h@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com>,
 <73172.1615@compuserve.com> wrote:
: i am using kermit to transmit files from a PC to a PDT-3300 portable
: terminal.  earlier in the summer when performing some initial testing i
: found that when transmitting a file that already existed on the portable
: that the new file was renamed...which is what i expected.  presently,
: when i transmit a file that already exists it is just overwriting the
: file.  i have checked the MSKERMIT.INI file and i do have SET WARNING
: ON.  i did a SHOW FILE command and it confirmed that files that already
: existed would be renamed to a new file.  but...this is not occurring.
: can anyone give me suggestions of what is going wrong?
: 
Let's assume that you are using the current version of MS-DOS Kermit,
which is 3.14. In this version, by default, the OLD file is renamed,
rather than the incoming (new) file.  The command that governs this is SET
FILE COLLISION, with the following options:

   APPEND
     Append the incoming file to the existing file.
   BACKUP (default)
     Rename the EXISTING (old) file.
   RENAME
     Rename the incoming (new) file.
   OVERWRITE
     Overwrite the existing file.
   DISCARD
     Refuse to accept the incoming file.
   UPDATE
     Refuse to accept the incoming file if its creation date is earlier
     than that of the existing file -- works only if the other Kermit
     supplies this information.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: ISDN?
Date: 5 Jan 1996 15:47:20 GMT
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In article <30EB0A80.B86@mitre.org>, Jeff Heim  <jheim@mitre.org> wrote:

: This may be a really dumb question, it's definitely naive.  But does
: Kermit work with ISDN and is it something that one would want to do?
: 
: I'm currently using Kermit and some 28.8 modems.  The files that I'm
: transferring may get a lot bigger and I need to come up with some
: alternatives.  I haven't seen any discussion of ISDN in the faq, the
: book, or this newsgroup.
: 
You will always get more informative answers to questions like this if you
state which Kermit program you are talking about, on which type of
computer and operating system.

As other posters pointed out, ISDN is often a lower layer to other
protocols, such as TCP/IP, in which case applications designed for the
higher protocols should work transparently.  In other cases, ISDN drivers
make the ISDN connection mimic some familiar type of serial device, 
like a Hayes modem.

Here is some specific information about using MS-DOS Kermit with ISDN,
reproduced from section 2.2 of the KERMIT.UPD file:

Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN) boards serve ISDN digital
telephones, which provide (among other things) 64Kbps data transmission.
ISDN boards are not serial boards, and therefore require special drivers.
There is a Common Application Programming Interface (CAPI) for ISDN
boards, defined by German Telecom and German ISDN manufacturers.  CAPI
drivers are supplied by ISDN board manufacturers.  MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 does
not support CAPI directly, but shims exist that allow Kermit to be used
with ISDN anyway, by disguising CAPI as the Fossil, Int 14, or Packet
Driver interface, all of which are supported by Kermit.  Examples:

 . cFos is a shareware fossil driver for CAPI, written by Martin Winkler &
   Christoph Lueders of Bonn, Germany.  It is available via anonymous ftp
   from ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/network/isdn/cfos, or by dialup to the
   Zaphods BBS in Bonn: +49 228 9111041.  It supports both the Fossil and
   Int 14 interfaces, and presents ISDN controls in the form of Hayes-like
   AT commands.

 . PAPI is free software, GNU Public License, providing a SLIP-class
   packet driver interface to a CAPI driver, written by Dietmar Friede,
   Friede Consulting, Munich (Muenchen), German <capi@friede.de>.
   Available via ftpmail to ftp.germany.eu.net (send email to
   archive-server@germany.eu.net containing the word "help"), or by ftp
   directly from ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Counting bytes sent/received
Date: 5 Jan 1996 15:53:45 GMT
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In article <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no>, Per H Lange <perlange@sn.no> wrote:
: Does Kermit keep track of how many bytes have been sent/received
: on the current connection ?
:  
: The reason why I am asking this is that the we will be connecting to
: our customer via X.25.  Kermit is used to telnet to a Cisco box which
: automatically opens a X.25 connection to the customers machine.  
: We then charge the customers based on the connection cost (+ the
: work involved).  The problem is that X.25 connection cost is not only
: based on how long the connection was open but also on how much data
: was sent/received.  If it would be possible to get that information
: from kermit, then it would make it easy to store that information in
: a log file.  
: 
It always helps to provide better answers if you state which Kermit program
you are talking about, on which type of computer and operating system.

Back in the old days, when people still used to look at source code, make
modifications, and recompile, it was a great benefit that Kermit source
code was available to everybody.  While this world has largely disappeared,
there are still some vestiges of it clinging to their obscure little niches.
For example, odd though it may seem, some UNIX variants still include C
compilers.  If you are using C-Kermit in some type of UNIX, you could find
the one or two places where C-Kermit actually outputs bytes to the
communication device and install a simple counter there.  The question of
how to display or use this information is another matter.

- Frank

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From: perlange@sn.no (Per H Lange)
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Marshall G. Flax (mgflax@panix.com) wrote:
: In article <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no>, Per H Lange <perlange@sn.no> wrote:
: >Does Kermit keep track of how many bytes have been sent/received
: >on the current connection ?
:  
: You could log the entire session to a log file and then check the
: size of the log file.
:
Yes, put that helps me only to keep track of how many bytes sent and
recieved in interactive mode.  All data sent/received when transferring 
files is not written to the session log file.
I know about the transact.log file but it contains only the size
of the file(s) being sent/received, not the actual byte count.

Steinthor
-- 
Per H. Lange           | CBA A/S               |
perlange@oslonett.no   |                       |

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From: shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu (Tim Shoppa)
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In article <4cjhi9$lbt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:

>For example, odd though it may seem, some UNIX variants still include C
>compilers.  If you are using C-Kermit in some type of UNIX, you could find
>the one or two places where C-Kermit actually outputs bytes to the
>communication device and install a simple counter there.  The question of
>how to display or use this information is another matter.

Some implementations of Unix also allow you to do iostat on individual
ports/terminals.  See the man page for iostat(1) on a particular
machine for details.

Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu)

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip
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In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes:
> Is it possible to direct connect network cards on two machines
> and running a minimal tcp/ip "network" using kermit?  What ip
> addresses would one use?  Would it be necessary to have a name
> server configure?
> 
> From an ethernet faq, I know that you can connect two (and only)
> two cards using 10-BaseT wiring with a cross over to get
> something similar to an ethernet "null modem" but I've not found
> any discussion of software setup for such a configuration.  The
> connections I am thinking of would be
> 
> OS2 Connect -> MsDos Kermit
> SCO UNIX ODT -> MsDos Kermit
> MsDos Kermit -> MsDos Kermit
> 
> --
> Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield,
> Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk
------------
	Yes, of course it is. It's up to you to select IP addresses
and subnet masks and all that jazz. For a completely (and I do mean
completely) isolated hookup you can use IP of 10.0.0.x which is a 
Class A private network (please read RFC1597.TXT). Never have this
hooked to another net.
	We don't get into how you can create a home network with sundry
equipment. Other NEWS groups are flooded with such discussions and you
are better off with them. You may also benefit from talking with your
local Computer Center about such matters (it's been awhile since I was at
your University so I can't provide pointers to whom).
        Joe D.

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       I use kermit to download files from my school's VAX computer,
 and I was wondering if it's possible to get a faster CPS rate with
 this protocol. I connect to the VAX at 14400 baud using a Zoom internal
 14400 fax/modem and I use Telix as my terminal program. When transferring
 GIF's or other binary files, the maximum CPS is about 370. When 
 transferring a text file, it increases to around 420 CPS. 
     Is this the maximum Kermit can do, or is there some parameter
 I can change? I also tried Kermit with my father's US Robotics
 Sportster 28800 fax/modem, and the CPS rate slowed down even more.
 I know from experience that Zmodem can do about 1500 cps at 14400
 easily.
     Any help would be appreciated, since I'm not that familiar with
 the Kermit protocol.

       -Craig
  5leitgeb_c@spcvxa.spc.edu
  Saint Peter's College


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From: gweisz@ra (Gideon Weisz)
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Subject: screen fonts for old laptops?
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hi. the reason i'm posting this in the kermit group is that kermit
is so international that some folks here might have run across this
problem (and see also re kermit, in the following).
i'm corresponding with someone who has a zenith laptop from about
1988. the manual says that there are up to 12 video modes possible,
though zenith says this is cga (perhaps they're counting what one could
get with a hercules?). we can't get hebrew screen fonts to work, and this
would certainly affect mskermit 3.14, as it is using a vga type font
(which we have also tried and in fact doesn't work there). ie,
3.14 would not give hebrew screen fonts in this situation, without
modification. 
any help would be very much appreciated. we've gone through a lot of
frustration already. i'm not sure whether any answers should be posted
here, or just a solution that definitely works, perhaps (?)
thanks,  gideon
--
gideon weisz                                            ïåòãâ
[boulder, colorado]

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In <1996Jan5.201356.1@spcvxb.spc.edu>, 5leitgeb_c@spcvxb.spc.edu wrote:

#         I use kermit to download files from my school's VAX
#   computer, and I was wondering if it's possible to get a faster
#   CPS rate with this protocol. I connect to the VAX at 14400
#   baud using a Zoom internal 14400 fax/modem and I use Telix as
#   my terminal program. When transferring GIF's or other binary
#   files, the maximum CPS is about 370. When transferring a text
#   file, it increases to around 420 CPS.
#
#       Is this the maximum Kermit can do, or is there some
#   parameter I can change? I also tried Kermit with my father's
#   US Robotics Sportster 28800 fax/modem, and the CPS rate slowed
#   down even more. I know from experience that Zmodem can do
#   about 1500 cps at 14400 easily.

I have used a certain VAX host for about nine years now.  At first
they had 2400 bps modems and I had a 1200, and Kermit downloads were
around 70 cps.  Finally they and I got 9600 modems, and someone
installed ZModem on the VAX, and ZModem transfers went up to 850-900
cps, but the Kermit transfers only went up to about 150 cps.
Apparently there was some problem in the way Kermit was implemented or
installed on that machine.

I don't know if they've upgraded Kermit at all since they went to 9600
at least 5 years ago, but I just looked and found that their Kermit is
VMS Kermit-32 3.3.117.  I don't know how old it is, but it doesn't
have sliding windows or command-line switches, and the range of
acceptable receive packet lengths is 10-90!

My experience in general in dealing with hosts on the net is that they
assume that people will only be using Kermit if they are coming in
through some sort of connection that requires maximum robustness
rather than maximum speed, so they make no attempt to optimize for the
same conditions that make ZModem usable.  And maybe they have a point.
I use a couple of hosts that I can call directly, but they're long
distance, or access through a series of links from a local call.  When
I do it that way, Kermit is the only transfer protocol I can use.  If
they optimized for the direct dial-ups, I would have no way to
transfer files through my series of telnet and local connections.

David Johns

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit with Cardinal 144i?
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In article <4cn48h$1f3a@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Kevin.Dorma@ualberta.ca@ravana.srv.ualberta.ca (Kevin Dorma) writes:
>  Kermites!
> 
>     I am upgrading from Kermit 3.10 to 3.14.  3.14 is not recognizing
>   my modem:[
> 
>   Modem: Cardinal MVP 144DSP-C (firmware upgrade to 196)
>   Port : com3 (Set Port bios3)
>   Init : at&f
> 
>     I tried the Digicom 144p setup, heard digicom developed the Cardinal
>   firmware.  Failure:(
>     By the way my initialization must be wro1cng for 3.10   2400 baud
>   connections are clean, but at real speeds the modem acts like a manual
>   line buffer.
>     Read the manual you say?
>         Been there
>         Done that
>         Got nowhere.
----------
	Try again. Don't use BIOS3 unless you want zilch performance. See
command SET COM3 in the docs. You'll have to read the manual on your modem
to see what commands it wants, and you can try them by hand to see if they
work on your paticular unit. Then modify the dialer entry of choice to match.
	Joe D.

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 Kermites!

    I am upgrading from Kermit 3.10 to 3.14.  3.14 is not recognizing
  my modem:[

  Modem: Cardinal MVP 144DSP-C (firmware upgrade to 196)
  Port : com3 (Set Port bios3)
  Init : at&f

    I tried the Digicom 144p setup, heard digicom developed the Cardinal
  firmware.  Failure:(
    By the way my initialization must be wro1cng for 3.10   2400 baud
  connections are clean, but at real speeds the modem acts like a manual
  line buffer.
    Read the manual you say?
        Been there
        Done that
        Got nowhere.

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David A. Johns (afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu) wrote:
: I have used a certain VAX host for about nine years now.  At first
: they had 2400 bps modems and I had a 1200, and Kermit downloads were
: around 70 cps.  Finally they and I got 9600 modems, and someone
: installed ZModem on the VAX, and ZModem transfers went up to 850-900
: cps, but the Kermit transfers only went up to about 150 cps.
: Apparently there was some problem in the way Kermit was implemented or
: installed on that machine.

: I don't know if they've upgraded Kermit at all since they went to 9600
: at least 5 years ago, but I just looked and found that their Kermit is
: VMS Kermit-32 3.3.117.  I don't know how old it is, but it doesn't
: have sliding windows or command-line switches, and the range of
: acceptable receive packet lengths is 10-90!

VMS Kermit-32 is pretty primitive. But recent versions of C-Kermit
are available for VAX/VMS, supporting long packets, sliding windows,
and the usual command line arguments.  C-Kermit was installed on the
VMS system I use a while back and delivers the same kind of excellent
performance, both over direct dial and network connections, that I've
come to expect of it on other platforms.

					- John -
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Environment: ISC 2.2 - 3.0 with networking/job control and gcc
Version: 5A(190)

	The MDINF stanza for USRobotics HST-class modems
turns both MNP and ARQ off when mnp-enable is off.  I don't
use MNP but I do use ARQ, so I applied this to ckudia.c to
have "mnp-enable off" do only what it says that it will do:

2230c2230
< 	  ttslow("AT&M0&K0\015",pmdminf->wake_rate);
---
> 	  ttslow("AT&M4&K3\015",pmdminf->wake_rate);

	Is "mnp-enable" supposed to turn off all error
correction?

Bob
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From: GG <p007138b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>
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Does anyone know, how do you initialize a remote kermit system to answer 
automatically?


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <4cq2pp$bd@news.flinet.com>,
GG  <p007138b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us> wrote:
>Does anyone know, how do you initialize a remote kermit system to answer 
>automatically?
>

Which Keermit are you using?

On which Operating Sysetem are you using it?

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
               * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
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From: randyd@crl.com (Randy Ding)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: setting up system to answer so one can use server commands
Date: 7 Jan 1996 20:11:53 -0800
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In article <4cq2pp$bd@news.flinet.com>,
GG  <p007138b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us> wrote:
>Does anyone know, how do you initialize a remote kermit system to answer 
>automatically?
>
I am including a scrap of my mscustom.ini from 3.14, this has never
been tested on k95, probably won't work there but I have no idea
what you are running either.

Randy.
randyd@crl.com
www.crl.com/~randyd

; *******************************************************************
; macros for chat and auto-answer
; important: must do NOANSWER after you are done with ANSWER session
;            so that modem does not answer any following voice calls!
define nochat -
  set terminal newline off,-
  set local-echo off,-
  echo Chat Dissabled.

define chat -
  set terminal newline on,-
  set local-echo on,-
  connect

; 'dial =' inits the modem and makes it ready for communications
; and will hang up modem if connected
; enable auto-answer, takes one parameter for number of rings

define answer -
  if = \v(argc) 1 fatal {How many rings?},-
  if not numeric \%1 fatal {Argument must be number!},-
  if > \%1 9 fatal {Range error!},-
  if < \%1 1 fatal {Range error!},-
  echo Auto-answer mode...,-
  echo Will answer on \%1 rings.,-
  dial =,-
  if failure forward ansbad1,-
  set input timeout proceed,-
  set input echo off,-
  output ATQ0V1\13,-
  input 2 OK,-
  if failure forward ansbad,-
  output ats0=\%1\13,-
  input 2 OK,-
  if failure forward ansbad,-
  set input echo on,-
  echo Auto-Answer Enabled.  Remember to enter NOANSWER when done!,-
  end 0,-
:ansbad,-
  echo Turn on or connect your modem!,-
:ansbad1,-
  set input echo on,-
  end 1


; disable auto-answer

define noanswer -
  set input timeout proceed,-
  set input echo off,-
  output ATQ0V1\13,-
  input 2 OK,-
  if success forward noansok,-
  echo Wait 1 moment\44 your modem appears to be still connected.,-
  output +++,-
  input 2 OK,-
  if failure forward noansbad,-
  output ATQ0V1\13,-
  input 2 OK,-
  if failure forward noansbad,-
  output ats0=0\13,-
  input 2 OK,-
  if failure forward noansbad,-
  output ato\13,-
  forward noansok1,-
:noansok,-
  output ats0=0\13,-
  input 2 OK,-
  if failure forward noansbad,-
:noansok1,-
  set input echo on,-
  echo Auto-Answer Disabled.,-
  end 0,-
:noansbad,-
  set input echo on,-
  echo Turn on or connect your modem!,-
  end 1


; dials a phone number, not intended to be used for calling another modem

define pcdial -
  if < \v(argc) 2 forward pcbad1,-
  set input timeout proceed,-
  set input echo off,-
  output ATQ0V1\13,-
  input 2 OK,-
  if failure forward pcbad2,-
  echo Dialing \%1,-
  assign \%2 \v(carrier),-
  set carrier off,-
  output ATDT\%1;\13,-
  input 8 OK,-
  if failure forward pcbad3,-
  pause 8,-
  output ATH0\13,-
  set carrier \%2,-
  end 0,-
:pcbad1,-
  echo Not enough parameters.,-
  end 0,-
:pcbad2,-
  echo Turn on or connect your modem!,-
  end 0,-
:pcbad3,-
  echo Turn on or connect your modem!,-
  athangup,-
  set carrier \%2,-
  end 0



; goto server mode, answer on %1 rings, exit at time %2 or after %2 seconds

define myserver -
  do answer \%1,-
  set server login randyd yourpasswordhere,-
  server \%2,-
  noanswer,-
  quit







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From: chip@pixi.com (William K. Marshall)
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Here's one for you all...

I am trying to set up a way to transfer from the unclassified LAN at my 
workplace to the classified LAN.  I am using a batch file, Procomm Plus with a 
direct connection to the serial port,and two fiber optic modems with only the 
transmit side on the unclass connected to the recieve side of the class.  The 
only way I have been able to accomplish this is to zip the files, uuencode the 
zip file and transfer usin plain ASCII.  This is fine, it works very well, but 
It takes about 4 hours to transmit 10 Meg.  

The problem with using something like Kermit or Zmodem is that the software 
wants to see some handshaking.  Is there someone out there who knows of a 
binary protocol that does not require handshaking, or is there a way to turn 
it off on any others?

Any and all assistance is appreciated.

William K. Marshall
chip@pixi.com

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From: bruce@ais.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip
Message-ID: <1996Jan8.032053.8679@ais>
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In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes:
> Is it possible to direct connect network cards on two machines
> and running a minimal tcp/ip "network" using kermit?  What ip
> addresses would one use?  Would it be necessary to have a name
> server configure?
> 
> From an ethernet faq, I know that you can connect two (and only)
> two cards using 10-BaseT wiring with a cross over to get
> something similar to an ethernet "null modem" but I've not found
> any discussion of software setup for such a configuration.  The
> connections I am thinking of would be
> 
> OS2 Connect -> MsDos Kermit
> SCO UNIX ODT -> MsDos Kermit
> MsDos Kermit -> MsDos Kermit

For a small network, you are probably better off running 10-Base2
(ThinWire):  this does not limit you to 2 nodes and does not require
a hub.  As always, you will need to be careful in your selection of
equipment to make sure that the interfaces all support 10-Base2 or
else you will end up buying (relatively) expensive transceivers in
order to connect to the backbone.

The simplest implementation would not have a name server but would
give each node the static address of every other node.  You would
use a network submask of 255.255.255.0 and all of the nodes would
have addresses of 10.0.0.x, where x is unique for each machine.
Configuring this isn't very hard, but you may have to experiment
around a bit to find a packet driver that works with your network
card on the DOS machine -- a lot of software is rather picky about
what cards it will support, to the extent that different revision
levels of the same card may or may not work with different revision
levels of the software.  Try to get the most recent editions of both
and you will probably be OK;  also, if possible bring up the DOS
machine last since the software on it seems to be the most problematic
and you can test the other machines first to make sure that you have
a working network.  Or, alternatively, use the TCP/IP stack in
Windows 95 and use Kermit 95 -- the TCP/IP stack there seems to be
less problematic than many of the packet drivers for native DOS.

Good luck,

Bruce C. Wright

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: No handshake xfers
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In article <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com>, chip@pixi.com (William K. Marshall) writes:
> Here's one for you all...
> 
> I am trying to set up a way to transfer from the unclassified LAN at my 
> workplace to the classified LAN.  I am using a batch file, Procomm Plus with a 
> direct connection to the serial port,and two fiber optic modems with only the 
> transmit side on the unclass connected to the recieve side of the class.  The 
> only way I have been able to accomplish this is to zip the files, uuencode the 
> zip file and transfer usin plain ASCII.  This is fine, it works very well, but 
> It takes about 4 hours to transmit 10 Meg.  
> 
> The problem with using something like Kermit or Zmodem is that the software 
> wants to see some handshaking.  Is there someone out there who knows of a 
> binary protocol that does not require handshaking, or is there a way to turn 
> it off on any others?
> 
> Any and all assistance is appreciated.
> 
> William K. Marshall
> chip@pixi.com
---------------
	Dream on. No ACKs mean no protocol level flow control (and really
no flow control at all for the truely paranoid situations), no feedback
to the transmitter that information has become lost or damaged, no breaking
deadlocks from lost information. A straight ASCII send and hope that it gets
there also provides no error checking, no redundancy checking, no hole
checking. In short, it's *The Worst Way* of transferring information.
	I would suggest you get together with your security people and
discover that normal ACKs do not convey sensitive information and are
required for robust transfers. Put a packet snoop on the wire and see this
for yourself, particularly with Kermit file protocol transfers.
	Joe D.

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In article <1996Jan8.125039.70773@cc.usu.edu>,
   jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:
>In article <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com>, chip@pixi.com (William K. Marshall) 
writes:
>> Here's one for you all...
>> 
>> I am trying to set up a way to transfer from the unclassified LAN at my 
>> workplace to the classified LAN.  I am using a batch file, Procomm Plus 
with a 
>> direct connection to the serial port,and two fiber optic modems with only 
the 
>> transmit side on the unclass connected to the recieve side of the class.  
The 
>> only way I have been able to accomplish this is to zip the files, uuencode 
the 
>> zip file and transfer usin plain ASCII.  This is fine, it works very well, 
but 
>> It takes about 4 hours to transmit 10 Meg.  
>> 
>> The problem with using something like Kermit or Zmodem is that the software 
>> wants to see some handshaking.  Is there someone out there who knows of a 
>> binary protocol that does not require handshaking, or is there a way to 
turn 
>> it off on any others?
>> 
>> Any and all assistance is appreciated.
>> 
>> William K. Marshall
>> chip@pixi.com
>---------------
>	Dream on. No ACKs mean no protocol level flow control (and really
>no flow control at all for the truely paranoid situations), no feedback
>to the transmitter that information has become lost or damaged, no breaking
>deadlocks from lost information. A straight ASCII send and hope that it gets
>there also provides no error checking, no redundancy checking, no hole
>checking. In short, it's *The Worst Way* of transferring information.
>	I would suggest you get together with your security people and
>discover that normal ACKs do not convey sensitive information and are
>required for robust transfers. Put a packet snoop on the wire and see this
>for yourself, particularly with Kermit file protocol transfers.
>	Joe D.


The thing is that I am only using a 4 foot lenght of fiber between two 486's. 
The possibility for packet loss is remote.  It is not a big deal if once in a 
while the users have to re-send the data.

As for the security people... I am in the military.  Just getting the 
permission to connect two computers in the way I have described took over a 
year, and the requirement for this is now.

If I connect the transmit side from the classified side to the unclass side, 
there is a possibility of transferring data that way.  Even if there is a way 
to turn the transfer off with the software, if someone knew how, they could 
turn it on and transfer the data.  

It is a little different if there is no hardware to do this with.  It takes 
out the possibility of someone hacking or fat fingering thier way to an 
unapproved transfer.

Thanks,
Chip

William K. Marshall
chip@pixi.com

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ibelooze@runet.edu (Ilya) wrote:

>Hello. I am trying to upload some files using kermit and
>comit. On my Unix account I type "kermit" and then "r"
>at the kermit prompt. Then I go to comit's menu and choose
>"Send", "xmodem" options. However, the file does not get 
>transferred. I have also tried doing the procedure in reverse,
>i.e., running comit's menu options and then entering kermit.

You can't use XModem; not surprisingly, the only transfer protocol
Kermit supports is kermit.  If Comit doesn't support the kermit
transfer protocol you'll need to use a different comm program that
does.  Another alternative is to use XModem-compatible utilities at
the Unix end.  The usual such utilities are rx and sx; check their
respective man pages for more information.


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From: fgoldstein@bbn.com (Fred R. Goldstein)
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Subject: No cursor in OS/2 CKermit 191
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I just upgraded from "190 beta" to the official 191 build.  It is faster,
which is nice, but it never displays the cursor!  I tried changing the
cursor settings but they all worked as if they were "none" and "none". :-(
This is with Warp 3.0 on a 486-DX2/66 clone, typically with Telnet.
Any clues or patches?  Thanks.
-- 
Fred R. Goldstein   k1io   fgoldstein@bbn.com   +1 617 873 3850
Opinions are mine alone; sharing requires permission.


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From: Peter Disdale <Pete@pdlmail.demon.co.uk>
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In article <4ct372$l8i@rigel.pixi.com>
	   chip@pixi.com "William K. Marshall" writes:

> In article <1996Jan8.125039.70773@cc.usu.edu>,
>    jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:
> > In article <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com>, chip@pixi.com
> > (William K. Marshall) writes:
> >
> > > Here's one for you all...
> > > [original article, all good stuff, snipped]
> >
> >	  Dream on. No ACKs mean no protocol level flow control (and really
> > no flow control at all for the truely paranoid situations), no feedback
> > to the transmitter that information has become lost or damaged, no breaking
> > deadlocks from lost information. A straight ASCII send and hope that it gets
> > there also provides no error checking, no redundancy checking, no hole
> > checking. In short, it's *The Worst Way* of transferring information.
> > [..]
>
> The thing is that I am only using a 4 foot lenght of fiber between two 486's.
> The possibility for packet loss is remote.  It is not a big deal if once in a
> while the users have to re-send the data.
>
> [..]
Sounds to me as though what you are currently doing is the best you
can hope for, but consider the following:
1. you mentioned in the original post 'modems'. Can these be eliminated
   and a direct connection be used instead?
2. why are you uuencoding the file? Are you limited to 7 bit characters
   by the 'modems'?  If not, why not use 8 bit chars and send the ZIP
   directly - this would reduce the size (and hence time) by a quarter.
3. you said that a 10 Mb file takes around 4 hours to transfer.  I might
   have done my sums wrong, but that means arounds 7000 bps.  Is there
   any way you can run the com ports faster than this, say at 57600 bps?
   (Given of course that the 486s have 16550 UARTs.)

As Joe said, you have no way of knowing that the data arrived OK.
However, using a compressor (like PKZIP) maintains its own CRC data
in the file, so at least you could be fairly certain that if it was
unZIPped OK, then the data would be good.

So, if you could increase the transfer rate to say, 8 times the present
value, and reduce the file size by a quarter, your 10 Mb file would
only be around 7.5 Mb, whose transfer time would be around 25 minutes.
You might, however, need to save the file out to a RAM disk (or very
fast hard disk) to avoid losing data through overruns...

Good luck!
--
Pete

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In article <4cu1o5$e3p@mercury.near.net>, fgoldstein@bbn.com (Fred R. Goldstein)
says:

>I just upgraded from "190 beta" to the official 191 build.  It is faster,
>which is nice, but it never displays the cursor!  I tried changing the
>cursor settings but they all worked as if they were "none" and "none". :-(
>This is with Warp 3.0 on a 486-DX2/66 clone, typically with Telnet.
>Any clues or patches?  Thanks.
>--
>Fred R. Goldstein   k1io   fgoldstein@bbn.com   +1 617 873 3850
>Opinions are mine alone; sharing requires permission.

Running Warp with Windows (with Fixpack 10) I cannot reproduce the no-cursor
problem you describe with C-Kermit for OS/2 1.91. Make sure install C-Kermit
with the install.cmd file included in the Columbia cko191.zip file.

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From: adam@orion.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg)
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I have recently been having some trouble with the REMOTE CD
command. It seems that sometimes when I try to do a REMOTE CD it
doen;t take and files that I am transferring from home end up in the
wrong directory. I am using OS/2 Ckermit version 190 on my home
machine connected to C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x at school. 

I wanted to try and detect this by doing a REMOTE PWD but I see no way
to capture the output of REMOTE PWD to a kermit variable and then test
that the REMOTE CD actually worked. 

Does anyone have any suggestions on how I might do REMOTE changes of
directory more reliably or at least detect when it does not work. 

Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg    adam@math.uiuc.edu
-- 
University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics
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In article <4cva5s$9gs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
Adam H. Lewenberg <adam@orion.math.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>I have recently been having some trouble with the REMOTE CD
>command. It seems that sometimes when I try to do a REMOTE CD it
>doen;t take and files that I am transferring from home end up in the
>wrong directory. I am using OS/2 Ckermit version 190 on my home
>machine connected to C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x at school. 
>
>I wanted to try and detect this by doing a REMOTE PWD but I see no way
>to capture the output of REMOTE PWD to a kermit variable and then test
>that the REMOTE CD actually worked. 
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions on how I might do REMOTE changes of
>directory more reliably or at least detect when it does not work. 

Try using the REMOTE QUERY KERMIT directory command to query the
value of the current directory on the remote system.

The value of the variable will be placed in the \v(query) variable.


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    I'm trying to use Kermit on my laptop through a PCMCIA modem.

    Kermit talks to the modem okay, but when I connect to a remote
    machine, I have to send a character to get a character.  Pretty
    odd since this works on my old PC/AT.

    Does Kermit have problems with PCMCIA devices (MS-Kermit 3.11)?

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      Hello:
            I used .pif file in win v3.11, but the dos kermit will not transfer
file in window. it only can transfer file in dos...Please help me out
                                               Najai

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Frank,
I recently upgraded to version 5A(189) running on an HP-UX 712 workstation
and have discovered that when I  use a script to call out the software
adjusts the line speed to whatever the connection speed is. Since my
actual serial port speed has not changed this causes a loss of
communication with my modem until I manual change the line speed back. Can
this feature be disabled?
Forgive the first name basis but I wanted to be sure to get your
attention.
Thanks for your help.

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In article <4d0v1u$4hg@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
PGassman <pgassman@aol.com> wrote:
> I recently upgraded to version 5A(189) running on an HP-UX 712
> workstation and have discovered that when I use a script to call out
> the software adjusts the line speed to whatever the connection speed
> is. Since my actual serial port speed has not changed this causes a
> loss of communication with my modem until I manual change the line
> speed back. Can this feature be disabled?
>
The current version is 5A(190).  It has considerable improvements for
HP-UX over 5A(189).

As explained in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", on page 61, use the command
SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING to control whether Kermit changes speed according
to the modem's CONNECT message.

- Frank

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Subject: File transfert between 2 servers
Date: 10 Jan 1996 20:23:48 GMT
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Hi.
 
Is it possible to use kermit to transfer files between two servers
via a modem connection?
 
Thanks.
 
Serge Lacombe
Universite de Montreal
E-mail: lacs@DAA.umontreal.ca

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From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
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pgassman@aol.com (PGassman) wrote:

>Frank,
>I recently upgraded to version 5A(189) running on an HP-UX 712 workstation
>and have discovered that when I  use a script to call out the software
>adjusts the line speed to whatever the connection speed is. Since my
>actual serial port speed has not changed this causes a loss of
>communication with my modem until I manual change the line speed back. Can
>this feature be disabled?
>Forgive the first name basis but I wanted to be sure to get your
>attention.
>Thanks for your help.

Even though I'm not Frank, you might try "set dial speed-matching off".

And if you're reading, Frank, "set dial ?" doesn't show "speed-matching"
although it's apparently there.

 - Vince

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In article <30f43ea9.53632014@128.230.1.4>,
Vincent Fatica <vefatica@syr.edu> wrote:
>...
>And if you're reading, Frank, "set dial ?" doesn't show "speed-matching"
>although it's apparently there.
>
Well...  That's because in later editions of C-Kermit, which have not been
released yet, the "set dial" and "set modem" mishmash was entirely reworked
to separate the concepts that are related to dialing (telephone numbers and
so on) from concepts releated to the modem.  Thus the new command is (will
be) "set modem speed-matching", but the old form is still accepted but, as
you noticed, not listed in the help.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <Pine.A32.3.91.960110100447.9648B-100000@happy.cincom.com>, Dave Monroe <monroeds@happy.cincom.com> writes:
>     I'm trying to use Kermit on my laptop through a PCMCIA modem.
> 
>     Kermit talks to the modem okay, but when I connect to a remote
>     machine, I have to send a character to get a character.  Pretty
>     odd since this works on my old PC/AT.
> 
>     Does Kermit have problems with PCMCIA devices (MS-Kermit 3.11)?
-----------
	Kermit doesn't have the problems, but PCMCIA devices are really loaded
with problems. There is no way that we can begin to diagnose the difficulties
of your particular PCMCIA device and its particular drivers on that machine.
The best we can suggest is triple check for IRQ and port conflicts, and have
a nice long chat with the PCMCIA drivers. 
	MS-DOS Kermit is at release 3.14 so you may want to pick up a copy
from kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, binary file msvibm.zip.
	Joe D.

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: File transfert between 2 servers
Date: 11 Jan 1996 06:33:48 GMT
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In article <4d178k$me@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA>,
Lacombe Serge <lacs@ERE.UMontreal.CA> wrote:
>Hi.
> 
>Is it possible to use kermit to transfer files between two servers
>via a modem connection?
> 
Sure.  What kind of computers?  Which operating systems?

Kermit is available on almost everything but the AS/400.


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
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  C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html
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From: fgoldstein@bbn.com (Fred R. Goldstein)
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Subject: Re: No cursor in OS/2 CKermit 191
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In article <96009.114330HDK@psuvm.psu.edu>, HDK@psuvm.psu.edu says...

>Running Warp with Windows (with Fixpack 10) I cannot reproduce the no-cursor
>problem you describe with C-Kermit for OS/2 1.91. Make sure install C-Kermit
>with the install.cmd file included in the Columbia cko191.zip file.

Turns out Jeff Altman had the answer.  Thanks, Jeff!

I upgraded the S3 video drivers.  The ones in the Warp box are buggy;
the new edition on ftp.pcco.ibm.com is better, and produces a cursor.
I guess the two versions of Kermit invoke the cursor-in-a-window just
differently enough to hit upon a buggy driver.

Oh yeah, slight program note.  Upgrading the driver failed with the
SETUP.CMD on the driver disk when I used 4OS2 as the shell, but running
CMD as the shell fixed that problem.
-- 
Fred R. Goldstein   k1io   fgoldstein@bbn.com   +1 617 873 3850
Opinions are mine alone; sharing requires permission.


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From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)
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Hello,

I have an old PC running MS-DOS V3.3 and a new one running V6.22 . The old
PC has a 5.25' disk drive, the new one uses 3.5' . Now I would like to 
transfer a bunch of files from the old one to the new one and thought I
could use Kermit. Is this possible? If so, is a simple modem cable between
the two PCs sufficient? Does C-Kermit run under MS-DOS 3.3?

Regards,
   Christoph Gartmann
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>,
Christoph Gartmann <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de> wrote:
>I have an old PC running MS-DOS V3.3 and a new one running V6.22 . The old
>PC has a 5.25' disk drive, the new one uses 3.5' . Now I would like to 
>transfer a bunch of files from the old one to the new one and thought I
>could use Kermit. Is this possible? If so, is a simple modem cable between
>the two PCs sufficient? Does C-Kermit run under MS-DOS 3.3?
>
You'll want MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.  See our Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

You'll need either a *null* modem cable, or else *two* modem cables and
a "modem eliminator" (null-modem adaptor).  Make sure that the RTS and
CTS wires are crossed over.  Use "set flow rts/cts".

Put Kermit on the new PC in server mode, send files from the old PC.

You can send entire directory trees if you want to, preserving the directory
structure and creating directories on the fly, using the XSEND program, which
you will find in the UTILS subdirectory of the MS-DOS Kermit diskette.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes:
> Hello,
> 
> I have an old PC running MS-DOS V3.3 and a new one running V6.22 . The old
> PC has a 5.25' disk drive, the new one uses 3.5' . Now I would like to 
> transfer a bunch of files from the old one to the new one and thought I
> could use Kermit. Is this possible? If so, is a simple modem cable between
> the two PCs sufficient? Does C-Kermit run under MS-DOS 3.3?
-------
	A simple Null-Modem block will do nicely. Such items are cheap and
widely available in computer stores and elsewhere.
	Only MS-DOS Kermit runs under DOS.
	Joe D.

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In <4d4bgc$59o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da
Cruz) wrote:

#   You'll want MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.  See our Web page:
#
#     http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
#
#   You'll need either a *null* modem cable, or else *two* modem
#   cables and a "modem eliminator" (null-modem adaptor).  Make
#   sure that the RTS and CTS wires are crossed over.  Use "set
#   flow rts/cts".
#
#   Put Kermit on the new PC in server mode, send files from the
#   old PC.
#
#   You can send entire directory trees if you want to, preserving
#   the directory structure and creating directories on the fly,
#   using the XSEND program, which you will find in the UTILS
#   subdirectory of the MS-DOS Kermit diskette.

I know Kermit can do almost anything, but this seems like overkill to
me.  If the machines are close enough to use a null modem, the obvious
answer isn't a terminal program, but the Interlink program that comes
with DOS.  With that program you can not only send directory
structures (with xcopy), but you can also zip files from one machine
into an archive on the other, use the DOS replace program to update or
freshen files, etc., etc.  The DOS help file under intersvr.exe even
describes how to transfer the server files from one machine to the
other without needing disks.

David Johns

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In article <4d5fj6$jfk@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, djohns@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:

|> I know Kermit can do almost anything, but this seems like overkill to
|> me.  If the machines are close enough to use a null modem, the obvious
|> answer isn't a terminal program, but the Interlink program that comes
|> with DOS.  With that program you can not only send directory
|> structures (with xcopy), but you can also zip files from one machine
|> into an archive on the other, use the DOS replace program to update or
|> freshen files, etc., etc.  The DOS help file under intersvr.exe even
|> describes how to transfer the server files from one machine to the
|> other without needing disks.
|> 
|> David Johns

Maybe.  Maybe not.  I tried to set up Interlink for a friend who wanted to
move stuff from his laptop to his desktop.  He lives in another city and
didn't forewarn me I would be consulting during my visit. :-)  Anyhow,
whether it was ignorance on my part or something odd about Interlink
running bwtween his two particular machines, the file transfers were
unbearably slow.  Fortunately we had access to the net and pulled down
a copy of MSK.  It worked beautifully.  And I discovered something that
surprised me--there was a dramatic improvement in file transfer speed
when the server was the old laptop rather than the new desktop.  This
is contrary to Frank's advice so perhaps my memory is wrong.  However,
it is definitely worth testing both possibilities on your equipment.
In our case, the change improved file transfer speed from 3,700 to 10,000 cps.
Which is kind of "Wow!" when you see it happen.
-- 
 
 Mike Smith                                  mike@ccs.queensu.ca
 Queen's University                          Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA
 Computing and Communications Services       (613) 545-2024

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In article <4d5fj6$jfk@huron.eel.ufl.edu>,
David A. Johns <djohns@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu> wrote:

>I know Kermit can do almost anything, but this seems like overkill to
>me.  If the machines are close enough to use a null modem, the obvious
>answer isn't a terminal program, but the Interlink program that comes
>with DOS.  With that program you can not only send directory
>structures (with xcopy), but you can also zip files from one machine
>into an archive on the other, use the DOS replace program to update or
>freshen files, etc., etc.  The DOS help file under intersvr.exe even
>describes how to transfer the server files from one machine to the
>other without needing disks.

The original poster can't use InterLink because he doesn't have it.
He is using DOS 3.x on at least one of the two machines.








Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
               * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
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From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
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gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I have an old PC running MS-DOS V3.3 and a new one running V6.22 . The old
>PC has a 5.25' disk drive, the new one uses 3.5' . Now I would like to 
>transfer a bunch of files from the old one to the new one and thought I
>could use Kermit. Is this possible? If so, is a simple modem cable between
>the two PCs sufficient? Does C-Kermit run under MS-DOS 3.3?

Christoph,

This is very possible; I do it all the time between two Windows95 machines
and between a Windows95 machine and a Linux machine. I don't know if the old
DOS version will cause any problems.

A modem cable will not work. You need a NULL MODEM CABLE (same price as a
modem cable) or you can use a NULL MODEM ADAPTER (about $3 U.S.) with a
regular modem cable. In a null modem cable or adapter, the SEND pin on each
end is connected to the RECEIVE pin on the other end.

Once the null modem is in place, tell each Kermit to

	set port comN	(whatever COM ports you're using)
	set speed ...	(the same on both ends)
	set flow rts
	connect

Or, you can give one of the Kermits the "server" command; then, from the
other Kermit, in "connect" mode, give commands to the server like "send",
"get", "remote cd", "remote dir", et cetera.

 - Vince
___
   Vincent Fatica
   Syracuse University Mathematics
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From: sulis@unm.edu
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Hello, I am using a C-64 and can not figure out how to dial with
Kermit.  I can get to the Kermit prompt, but the only option that
looks like it would half-way dial is CONNECT.  unfortunately, it
doesnt dial the number.  If someone has the documentation to the c-64
kermit program, that would be more than enough help.  I am assuming I
need to enter a phone number somewhere, maybe in the kermit.ini file,
but I simply do not know.  Thanks very much!

Please email any responses.  Thanks again!
sulis@unm.edu



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Date: 13 Jan 1996 00:07:40 GMT
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In article <4d6h05$6ai@lynx.unm.edu>,  <sulis@unm.edu> wrote:
: Hello, I am using a C-64 and can not figure out how to dial with
: Kermit.  I can get to the Kermit prompt, but the only option that
: looks like it would half-way dial is CONNECT.  unfortunately, it
: doesnt dial the number.  If someone has the documentation to the c-64
: kermit program, that would be more than enough help.
:
The Commodore 64/128 Kermit manual is:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/c/c64ker.doc

It is quite comprehensive and tells you all about how to dial.

: I am assuming I need to enter a phone number somewhere, maybe 
: in the kermit.ini file, but I simply do not know.
: 
It's easier than that.  Just enter CONNECT mode and type a dialing
command to the modem, such as:

  atdt7654321

and then carriage return.  Wait for the response from the modem,
such as CONNECT.  See the manual for details.

- Frank

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Quick question, answer not found in FAQ

Can C-kermit talk or specifically , upload files to a system which runs only
X, Y , or zmodem ??

If yes, whats needed to do this ?

If no, can anyone recommend a shareware unix based program similar to kermit
or procomm, et al, that will ?

Thanks for your help !

Blombard@nosc.mil


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <1996Jan12.211826.20752@nosc.mil>,
Bob Lombard  <blombard@nosc.mil> wrote:
>Quick question, answer not found in FAQ
>
> Can C-kermit talk or specifically , upload files to a system which runs
> only X, Y , or zmodem ??
>
Assuming you are asking about UNIX C-Kermit, you need:

 1. A copy of sz/rz/sb/rb/sx/rx that allows its standard i/o to be
    redirected.  These date from the mid-to-late 1980s.

 2. C-Kermit 5A(190) - the current version.

 3. The macros defined in the ckurzsz.ini.

Your other choice would be to purchase up-to-date XYZMODEM software from
Omen Technology and use it instead of C-Kermit.

- Frank

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    I am currently using Kermit 3.10, but am unable to get a useful connection
  with anything besides a 2400 baud modem.  At real speeds, I connect and
  receive the title page for the particular BBS  with no problems. After login
  though all received data seems to be buffered.  Use of the space bar is
  needed to bring responce charcters to the screen.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

    Why use Kermit?  Get some real software you say.
        Send me some.

  I've tried Telix, Qmodem, procom+ and Winpro.  At least Kermit knows
  I have a modem connected.

       Read the manual you say?
        Been there
        Done that
        Got nowhere.

  Modem: Cardinal MVP 144DSP (firmware upgrade to 196)
  Port : com3 (Set Port bios3)
  Init : at&f

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                                   RAG
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From: Raging Bull <sulis@unm.edu>
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On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Randy Ding wrote:

> In article <4d6h05$6ai@lynx.unm.edu> you write:
> >Hello, I am using a C-64 and can not figure out how to dial with
> >Kermit.  I can get to the Kermit prompt, but the only option that
> >looks like it would half-way dial is CONNECT.  unfortunately, it
> >doesnt dial the number.  If someone has the documentation to the c-64
> >kermit program, that would be more than enough help.  I am assuming I
> >need to enter a phone number somewhere, maybe in the kermit.ini file,
> >but I simply do not know.  Thanks very much!
> >
> >Please email any responses.  Thanks again!
> >sulis@unm.edu
> >
> >
> 
> Wow, c64, reminds me of kermit on my old apple2.
> Kermit does have a dial command, but it just sends modem strings
> to the modem.  You can do that yourself.
> First use the connect command.
> type atz and hit enter to see if the modem is working, should say OK.
> then if your phone number is 123-4567 type
> atdt1234567 and hit enter.
> That should do it.

None of the keys work after I type connect.  Could this mean that I need 
to tell Kermit what type of modem I am using?  Also, are you sure my 
commodore non-hayes compatible modem accepts at commands?  Just curious, 
I know little about commodores.  Thanks for the reply, I really 
appreciate it!

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From: jwallace@technix.mn.org (Jerry Wallace)
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Dave Monroe  <monroeds@happy.cincom.com> wrote:

>    I'm trying to use Kermit on my laptop through a PCMCIA modem.
>
>    Kermit talks to the modem okay, but when I connect to a remote
>    machine, I have to send a character to get a character.  Pretty
>    odd since this works on my old PC/AT.
>
>    Does Kermit have problems with PCMCIA devices (MS-Kermit 3.11)?

Kermit 3.14 works well with my notebook and Multi-Tech PCMCIA 28.8
modem.  Card and Socket Services are from Phoenix, otherwise DOS 6.22
and WfWG 3.11.
-- 
Jerry Wallace                    jfw@technix.mn.org

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>,
Earl H. Kinmonth <cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk> wrote:
>Is it possible to direct connect network cards on two machines
>and running a minimal tcp/ip "network" using kermit? 

Yes, but these days other software is handier and not expensive.

>What ip addresses would one use?

Anything you want, as long as you don't connect to the internet.
To keep it simple, use a class 'C' address range with a netmask
of 255.255.255.0. Only the last number should be different among
the machine addresses.

>Would it be necessary to have a name server configure?

Not if you don't mind entering the number instead of a host name.

>From an ethernet faq, I know that you can connect two (and only)
>two cards using 10-BaseT wiring with a cross over to get
>something similar to an ethernet "null modem" but I've not found
>any discussion of software setup for such a configuration.  The
>connections I am thinking of would be
>
>OS2 Connect -> MsDos Kermit
>SCO UNIX ODT -> MsDos Kermit
>MsDos Kermit -> MsDos Kermit

That should all work.
The 'handier' software gives you transparent disk/print sharing.

Any combination of these should work:
 OS/2 Warp Connect 
 Windows for WorkGroups plus the tcp stack from ftp.microsoft.com
 Windows95
 Windows NT
 Unix with the 'samba' server from nimbus.anu.edu.au:/pub/tridge/samba
 DOS LanMan Client from ftp.microsoft.com
 WFW Dos add-on 

Warp connect/WFW/Win95/NT are peer-to-peer.  The downloadable DOS
packages are client-only, although I think a server version is
available. The real-mode DOS TCP stack is large.  If you can run
windows the 32-bit stack for WFW is much nicer, and Win95 even better.
Unix/samba is a server-only except for an ftp-like client, except for
Linux which can be configured to mount the lanman/windows shared
directories transparently.

You can run kermit over the stock tcp on unix, OS/2 and win95. On DOS
you might be able to kludge up packet driver hook to the NDIS driver
plus pktmux, but it still might not work.  With WFW, I don't think
there is any way to run kermit with the native tcp, but it doesn't
matter much since there are lots of telnet programs that run over
the winsock interface and you can use 'copy' instead of a file
transfer program.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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    I am currently using Kermit 3.10, but am unable to get a useful connection
  with anything besides a 2400 baud modem.  At real speeds, I connect and
  receive the title page for the particular BBS  with no problems. After login
  though all received data seems to be buffered.  Use of the space bar is
  needed to bring responce charcters to the screen.

    Why use Kermit?  Get some real software you say.
        Send me some.

  I've tried Telix, Qmodem, procom+ and Winpro.  At least Kermit knows
  I have a modem connected.

       Read the manual you say?
        Been there
        Done that
        Got nowhere.

  Modem: Cardinal MVP 144DSP (firmware upgrade to 196)
  Port : com3 (Set Port bios3)
  Init : at&f

ragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragman
                                   RAG
   You speak not to a mouth-piece   !
   of THE SUITS, but a Man,         !   Don't rag on Me man
   Fearless in a croud,             !   If this hangover weren't so bad
   Vocal in anonymity,              !   I'd be worried about making the grade
   Responsible for nothing.         !
                                   MAN
manragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanrag
     



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From: giguere@magmacom.com (stephen giguere)
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Subject: Can C-kermit answer a auto answer a modem?
Date: 17 Jan 1996 05:28:10 GMT
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I'm not too familiar with kermit but I have C-kermit on a unix based machine 
and I need something that will answer an incoming call on the modem and offer 
the unix prompt to the caller for the purpose of transfering files. Is this 
possible with kermit?

Please respond with any help to mdsaero@fox.nstn.ca or to 
sgiguere@vpdesign.com


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Can C-kermit answer a auto answer a modem?
Date: 17 Jan 1996 15:11:16 GMT
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In article <4di1da$17b@mag2.magmacom.com>,
stephen giguere <giguere@magmacom.com> wrote:
>I'm not too familiar with kermit but I have C-kermit on a unix based machine 
>and I need something that will answer an incoming call on the modem and offer 
>the unix prompt to the caller for the purpose of transfering files. Is this 
>possible with kermit?
>
If you really want to offer callers a UNIX prompt, then you need to make
IDs for them, put a getty on the communication device that is attached to
the modem, and have them log in normally and then run C-Kermit in the regular
way.  This is the standard and most straightforward mode of operation.
There are also more esoteric approaches, which have security implications.

- Frank



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Subject: Downloading from one computer to another
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	Hello folks.  Please help me out here.  I have a database 
program in one computer with all the *.dbf files in it.  What I
want to do is dial up that computer and download all of the .dbf files
into my machine.  I would also like it to be password protected so
that only I can access the files.  Is there a way to do this?
Thanks in advance.


Cheers
Mike


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From: njstanbr@dcbarry.demon.co.uk (Nik Stanbridge)
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I am trying to get the remote host to not echo what I type at the
keyboard.  

Now, this in itself is not difficult, and I use the commands:

set term echo off
or
set term echo remote 

ok when already logged on.  However, if I put them in a script file,
again, they work, but, I lose the visible nature of the backspace key
deleting characters.  The backspace key does delete chars but I cannot
see it doing it...  

If I simply use these commands from the command line when logged on,
everything works OK.

Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

Thanks,

Nik Stanbridge.


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From: rocky@apollo.umuc.edu (Rocky Giannini)
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Hi,

I'm having a problem with zmodem downloads in Kermit 95 (Version 1.1.2).  
Zmodem downloads don't seem to honor the download directory variable, and 
always end up in the "current" directory.  The download directory in the 
dialer entry is correct, and Kermit downloads go to the right place.  I've
also tried specifying the download directory in kcustom95.ini, but that 
doesn't work for me either.

I've RTFM and files in the doc directory, but have been unable to find any
mention of this being a bug.  Any help is appreciated!

Thanks in advance!
-Rocky
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <rocky.821901609@apollo>,
Rocky Giannini <rocky@apollo.umuc.edu> wrote:
: I'm having a problem with zmodem downloads in Kermit 95 (Version 1.1.2).  
: Zmodem downloads don't seem to honor the download directory variable, and 
: always end up in the "current" directory.  The download directory in the 
: dialer entry is correct, and Kermit downloads go to the right place.  I've
: also tried specifying the download directory in kcustom95.ini, but that 
: doesn't work for me either.
: 
It's a (recently discovered) bug.  It will be fixed in version 1.1.3, to be
announced shortly.

- Frank

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what is the best way to assign input variables to a kermit script from a calling script (such as the pager id and the message!)

please reply directly to my email... kendall@chenoweth.ultranet.com

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From: David Rice <drice@service1.uky.edu>
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Subject: Transparent Printing Not Working
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I'm not able to get the transparent printing to work. I do have the 
MS-DOS Kermit Manual and have tried the attached test program. I'm using 
a PC running KERMIT 3.14 to call into a SUN Server running Solaris 2.4. 
The communications run through an Annex Terminal Server. I've been able 
to get other key codes translated and working fine. Help! What am I doing 
wrong. Thanks in advance.

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#include <stdio.h>

main()
{
	printf("/27/5i");
	printf("Hello - should print\n");
;	printf("\1554i");
	printf("Hello - shouldn't print\n");
	return(0);
}

---------------------------------169852698721079--

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Transparent Printing Not Working
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In article <4dmb5d$mk0@t3.mscf.uky.edu>, David Rice  <drice@pop.uky.edu> wrote:


>	printf("/27/5i");

Here is the problem.  Try:

	printf("%c5i",27);
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From: deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng)
Subject: File transfer through a third machine.
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I have some problem to transfer files from a PC (running K95) through
a modem connected to a VAX(VMS), which in turn is telneted to a unix 
running C-kermit 5A(190). The transfer from unix to PC is OK (with 1.3kcps
rate on a 14.4 connection) but the transfer from PC to unix is very poor
with low packet-length (60 cps with lots of errors)and does not work at
all with large (~500) packet length.Is there anything I can do to 
speed up the transfer? sz does not work in either direction in k95 or other
program such as hyperterminal.



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I'm not able to get the transparent printing to work. I do have the 
MS-DOS Kermit Manual and have tried the attached test program. I'm using 
a PC running KERMIT 3.14 to call into a SUN Server running Solaris 2.4. 
The communications run through an Annex Terminal Server. I've been able 
to get other key codes translated and working fine. Help! What am I doing 
wrong. Thanks in advance.

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#include <stdio.h>

main()
{
	printf("/27/5i");
	printf("Hello - should print\n");
;	printf("\1554i");
	printf("Hello - shouldn't print\n");
	return(0);
}

---------------------------------23881071820974--

From news@columbia.edu  Fri Jan 19 10:00:38 1996
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <DLD12n.27p@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>,
Hua Deng <deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> wrote:
: I have some problem to transfer files from a PC (running K95) through a
: modem connected to a VAX(VMS), which in turn is telneted to a unix
: running C-kermit 5A(190). The transfer from unix to PC is OK (with
: 1.3kcps rate on a 14.4 connection) but the transfer from PC to unix is
: very poor with low packet-length (60 cps with lots of errors)and does
: not work at all with large (~500) packet length.Is there anything I can
: do to speed up the transfer? sz does not work in either direction in k95
: or other program such as hyperterminal.
: 
Because Telnet on VMS is filtering out certain characters, perhaps even
all 8-bit characters.  This is exactly the kind of cranky connection that
Kermit protocol is good at pushing its way through, so the problem is how
to make it go faster.

At first glance, this looks like a flow-control problem.  Is the modem on
the VAX end plugged directly into a VAX serial port?  A terminal server?
In any case, you have to examine the flow-control setup between the modem
and the thing it is directly attached to, and also the buffering
configuration of the "thing" (terminal server, LAT box, or VMS itself).

You might have better luck using Kermit Telnet on VMS than VMS Telnet
itself (UCX, TGV, Wollongong, or whatever you have).  Tell it to "set
command byte 8" and "set term byte 8" and "set flow xon/xoff".  The latter
is not really Xon/Xoff, but results in the equivalent of VMS SET TERM
/HOSTSYNC /TTSYNC, which, on a TCP/IP connection simply means "don't drop
TCP packets on the floor" :-)   VMS C-Kermit -- current version 5A(190) --
also selects the terminal's Alt-Typeahead buffers, which are bigger than
the regular ones.

Having said all that, there is still the limiting factor of pumping
massive amounts of data into any VMS Telnet program, Kermit or otherwise.
Experiments here show approximately the same results as yours, no matter
whether I use Kermit Telnet or regular (UCX) Telnet on VMS, or even
rlogin -- which doesn't work at all unless I say RLOGIN /ESCAPE="" <host>.
(This paragraph applies if you have a TELNET connection from, say, a
terminal server into VMS.)

If I substitute UNIX for VMS as the intermediate system I get better
results, by about 400%, not that this is of any help to you.

So yes, you can upload files through this type of connection using Kermit,
but if it's something that you need to do all the time and none of the
above hints help, it would be better if you could make a less roundabout
connection.  Another alternative to consider would be to transfer the file
in two stages.  If you write a script to automate this, it would probably
take a lot less elapsed time to upload the file in two stages than it is
taking now to upload it in one.

- Frank

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From: ehat@halcyon.com (Edward Hatfield)
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Subject: Kermitting through OS Layers Trouble
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 05:01:21 GMT
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Howdy All,
	I could really use a hand just now (distant applause...)

	I'm running cKermit 1.90 on a DG/UX AViiON Box and it seems quite
happy there.  With it I'm trying to reach out to a copy of the same
cKermit compiled on a Motorola 88k, which I created for file transfer.

	When I invoke Kermit on my local AViiON box and call the remote
system, I'm dropped into a PICK environment that lives on top of unix
(with unix being the core of their box).  From there I 'sh' down into
unix and invoke kermit as a server.

	Everything seems happy enough, but when I try to do 'remote' commands
or transfer files, nothing happens.

	I've tried:	a) Various (if not all) parity settings.
			b) Changing the character control used in file transfer.
			c) Changing 'stty' settings
			d) Changing flow-control and handshaking.

	The tool thats given me the most information has been loggin packets.
By doing this I've verified that the remote command receives the
inital packet from me and returns an reply packet, but... My Local
machine Never Gets it, it times out.

	I try to be clever... (lord knows)... but I'm at the end of my
resources.  Any help at this point would be appreciated.  Kermit is
the best!

Thanks in advance.   Edward Hatfield.

--> Insert cute trailer here, since I don't have one (yet!) <--



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From: jwehner@ball.com (John Wehner)
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In article <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM says...
>
>In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>,
>Earl H. Kinmonth <cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> . . .  With WFW, I don't think
>there is any way to run kermit with the native tcp, but it doesn't
>matter much since . . . . 
>
>Les Mikesell
>  les@mcs.com

Does this mean I can't run kermit if I am useing WFW?

I am on a network at work running WFW.

I want to be able to transfer files from other systems I telnet to.

Thank you,
JOhn


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From: rem@helios.ucolick.org (Remington Stone)
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Subject: DOS directory tree transfer?
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Hi,

I have a direct serial connection between a PC running WFWG3.11 and
Kermit 3.14 patch 9, and a Sparc5 with SunOS4.1.3 and C-Kermit 5A(190).
File transfer between the two is fine.

I have not been able to figure out a way to transfer an entire 
directory tree with all associated files between the two machines.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Rem




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From: Joe DeNicola <joe@colsys.com>
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I have compiled C-Kermit 5A(189) under AIX 3.2 and have it working properly on 
our AIX 3.2.5 systems.  However, I put the same binary on an AIX 4.1 system 
(we don't have the C compiler for AIX 4.1) and when I start ckermit in server 
mode while connected on a serial port with the command:

ckermit -ix -y kermit.ini

I get the error:


? Can't condition line


Does anyone know why?  From looking at the source, it seems to be getting this 
when trying to set some tty parameters.

Thanks.


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <NEWTNews.822093141.31247.joe@joe.colsys.com>,
Joe DeNicola  <joe@colsys.com> wrote:
>
>I have compiled C-Kermit 5A(189) under AIX 3.2 and have it working properly on 
>our AIX 3.2.5 systems.  However, I put the same binary on an AIX 4.1 system 
>(we don't have the C compiler for AIX 4.1) and when I start ckermit in server 
>mode while connected on a serial port with the command:

AIX 3.2 and 4.1 require separate builds.  The 4.1 build is available
via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckuker.rs6aix41c

The latest release of C-Kermit for Unix is 5a(190).

see http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/unix.html for further info.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
               * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
  C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html
  Kermit 95 for Windows 95 :   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

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I just installed K95  (v1.1.2) today. The dialer doesn't work with my Microm DeskPort Fast  EP 28.8. 

Modem is configured as "microcom-at".
Dialer fails when it tries to initialize the modem. I set "require carrier" to "off" for an entry, tried again, still no 
luck. I can manually dial with no problem, so baud rate, flow control, etc. are ok.

Since the dialer takes control after K95.INI and K95CUSTOM.INI, I can't see a way of creating a custom 
modem configuration.

Any help would be appreciated.

JJ


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <821958840.19913@dcbarry.demon.co.uk>, njstanbr@dcbarry.demon.co.uk (Nik Stanbridge) writes:
> I am trying to get the remote host to not echo what I type at the
> keyboard.  

	Oh, please don't.
 
> Now, this in itself is not difficult, and I use the commands:
> 
> set term echo off
> or
> set term echo remote 
> 
> ok when already logged on.  However, if I put them in a script file,
> again, they work, but, I lose the visible nature of the backspace key
> deleting characters.  The backspace key does delete chars but I cannot
> see it doing it...  
> 
> If I simply use these commands from the command line when logged on,
> everything works OK.
> 
> Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

	Nothing much. "Erasing" characters is not a one-byte command
situation, though that may be all you send to the remote host. The host
maniuplates the cursor and writes over old bytes with spaces etc, depending
on the host and terminal emulation and all that jazz. Kermit isn't that
remote host operating system. May I suggest leaving matters alone and
letting the host control your screen as it was intended to?
	Joe D.

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From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: Transparent Printing Not Working
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David Rice <drice@pop.uky.edu> writes:
>I'm not able to get the transparent printing to work. I'm using 
>a PC running KERMIT 3.14 to call into a SUN Server running Solaris 2.4. 
>The communications run through an Annex Terminal Server. I've been able to 
>get other key codes translated and working fine. Help! What am I doing wrong. 
>#include <stdio.h>
>main()
>{
>	printf("/27/5i");
>	printf("Hello - should print\n");
>;	printf("\1554i");
>	printf("Hello - shouldn't print\n");
>	return(0);
>}
>---------------------------------23881071820974--

As we discovered, what's "wrong" is the Annex Terminal Server.

What happens is that your application sends a "transparent-mode" packet,
the A.T.S. sends a "set cursor to row=x/column=y" command, to the printer,
your application sends another packet,
the A.T.S. sends a "set cursor to row=x/column=y" command, to the printer,
etc., which totally fouls-up any attempt to make a "clean" data-path
between the host and the printer.

When we run the application through an IBM 7171 Protocol Converter,
rather than through the A.T.S., everything works correctly.

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From: hadi@bnr.ca (Jamal Hadi Salim)
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Subject: The Transmit command
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i have hooked up a local device thru a serial port and i am trying
to talk to it via kermit. No problem there; 
however, when i use the transmit command to send it a text file only the first 
line is sent!
i looked up the kermit book page 170-1 and it suggested that i change
the prompt on the local device since kermit waits for this
prompt ... i have no idea how the device receives th lines and how it processes
them. I changed the prompt on the device but only the first line got received

I can load the device using crosstalk but would prefer to use kermit
since it runs on unix.

help will be appreciated.

cheers
jamal

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From: ad151@freenet.unbc.edu (Jack Bowling)
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Nice to see the good Kermit press in the latest Dr. Dobb's Journal. My 
assumption is that the techniques described by the author therein are his 
own alterations to the Kermit source code? Or are they already contained 
in one of the many flavors of Kermit?

 - Jack

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From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair)
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Subject: Re: The Transmit command
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hadi@bnr.ca (Jamal Hadi Salim) writes:


>i have hooked up a local device thru a serial port and i am trying
>to talk to it via kermit. No problem there; 
>however, when i use the transmit command to send it a text file only the first 
>line is sent!
>i looked up the kermit book page 170-1 and it suggested that i change
>the prompt on the local device since kermit waits for this
>prompt ... i have no idea how the device receives th lines and how it processes
>them. I changed the prompt on the device but only the first line got received
 
We must be working from different editions...  Transmit is discussed on
pp 202-207 of my Using C-Kermit (1993).

It would really be helpful to know whether the device sends anything
in response to a line.  If not, try:
set transmit prompt 0
set transmit pause <biggish number>  (maybe 100...)

You ought to be able to see what comes back with   
SET DEBUG
I think, but I've never tried it with TRANSMIT
-- 

Bob Shair                          Open Systems Consultant
1018 W. Springfield Avenue         rmshair@uiuc.edu
Champaign, IL 61821		   217/356-2684

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From: bsd@panix.com (Brian Downing)
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Subject: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta
Date: 21 Jan 1996 03:31:42 -0500
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My machine
Windows 95, IBM Thinkpad 755C, IBM PCMCIA 14.4 Modem
K-95 1.1.2(192) 17 Dec 95, for Windows 95 4.00(950)


I notice that when I take emacs.ini Alt doesn't map to Meta and also
Ctrl-Spacebar doesn't work for marking. These all work for me with
MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit 190 under AIX 4.1.
Thanks in advance,


-- 
[  Brian Downing  ][  If there is a hell       ]
[  bsd@panix.com  ][  its fires wait for them  ]
[   '95 VFR750F   ][  not us. -FZ              ]

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From: thalmann@ruf.uni-freiburg.de (I. Thalmann)
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Subject: K95 starts Trumpet Wsk on startup
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Hello out there,

does anybody know why K95 always starts Trumpet Winsock? This is also
happening when I try to initialize a dial up connection. Seems to me
that K95 checks if a winsock is running and tries to use it before
attempting to dial out. Unfortunately Trumpet Winsock interpretes this
call as a request to be loaded. Is there a way to prevent K95 from
calling the winsock on every start?

TIA

Ingo

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Thanks a lot. This did it for me.

In article <4ds53l$nig@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair <rmshair@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>hadi@bnr.ca (Jamal Hadi Salim) writes:
>
>
>>i have hooked up a local device thru a serial port and i am trying
>>to talk to it via kermit. No problem there; 
>>however, when i use the transmit command to send it a text file only the first 
>>line is sent!
>>i looked up the kermit book page 170-1 and it suggested that i change
>>the prompt on the local device since kermit waits for this
>>prompt ... i have no idea how the device receives th lines and how it processes
>>them. I changed the prompt on the device but only the first line got received
> 
>We must be working from different editions...  Transmit is discussed on
>pp 202-207 of my Using C-Kermit (1993).

You are right; the book i have is really old! I would need
to buy a new one; any pointers where i can get one? None of 
the bookstores around here carry it. Maybe the publisher?

>
>It would really be helpful to know whether the device sends anything
>in response to a line.  If not, try:
>set transmit prompt 0
>set transmit pause <biggish number>  (maybe 100...)
>

This is it. Thanks again.

>You ought to be able to see what comes back with   
>SET DEBUG
>I think, but I've never tried it with TRANSMIT

cheers
jamal

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: K95 starts Trumpet Wsk on startup
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In article <4dr92p$rmn@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>,
I. Thalmann <thalmann@ruf.uni-freiburg.de> wrote:
>does anybody know why K95 always starts Trumpet Winsock? This is also
>happening when I try to initialize a dial up connection. Seems to me
>that K95 checks if a winsock is running and tries to use it before
>attempting to dial out. Unfortunately Trumpet Winsock interpretes this
>call as a request to be loaded. Is there a way to prevent K95 from
>calling the winsock on every start?

Kermit 95 initializes the Winsock DLL upon startup as it should.
Otherwise, you could not use it to make a TCP/IP connection.

If Trumpet is interpretting a WSAStart() call as dial an ISP,
then that is a bug in Trumpet.  I believe there is a way to tell Trumpet 
not to auto dial.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <4drisb$bnb@freenet.unbc.edu>, ad151@freenet.unbc.edu (Jack Bowling) writes:
> Nice to see the good Kermit press in the latest Dr. Dobb's Journal. My 
> assumption is that the techniques described by the author therein are his 
> own alterations to the Kermit source code? Or are they already contained 
> in one of the many flavors of Kermit?
----------
	I just picked up a copy of that DDJ issue. The author is trying
an independent implementation of the Kermit protocol, and the Columbia
implemenations were done many years ago (more efficiently too). It is
nice to see Kermit protocol material discussed. 
	However, there is one fatal protocol mistake in his work, and 
misunderstandings follow from it. Kermit never ACKs a packet until it
has been completely processed. The DDJ author indicates packets are ACK'd
as they are received into a buffer but not yet processed, and that's fatal.
Heuristics dealing with his situation are different than we use in MS-DOS
Kermit and C Kermit. Also, I threw out "The Source" strategy as naive when,
a long time ago, I redid sliding windows from scratch (MSK). The MS-DOS Kermit
form went into C Kermit.
	So far as I can make out the DDJ author is not using our Columbia
source code as references.
	There is also a suspicious part near the end of the article where
he claims that his Kermit implemenation was a great deal (two times) faster 
than a Zmodem transfer, over a local link. They ought to be much closer, 
provided flow control was active. Failure of flow control is certainly a 
real-world possibility, but I separate its effects from protocol design.
        Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: DOS directory tree transfer?
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In article <4dp6i9$9vt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, rem@helios.ucolick.org (Remington Stone) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a direct serial connection between a PC running WFWG3.11 and
> Kermit 3.14 patch 9, and a Sparc5 with SunOS4.1.3 and C-Kermit 5A(190).
> File transfer between the two is fine.
> 
> I have not been able to figure out a way to transfer an entire 
> directory tree with all associated files between the two machines.
> 
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!
-----------------
	Well, as MSK and CK programs go, there isn't a built-in way of
transfering directory trees. The reason is file systems differ a great
deal between operating systems, so much that there isn't a neat algorithmic
way of representing one on the other. FTP has no such capability either;
at best a command parser (Unix shell, etc) gets the task of creating a
single file listing stuff. Kermits can produce the same listing file
via the command  REMOTE DIR <qualifiers of the other side>.
	Speaking as a person who does a lot of mirroring between systems,
the problem is to get a directory listing of one directory from the remote
machine, parse it locally knowing the kind of remote system, build a 
list of files to be moved, detect subdirectories in a dir listing and
stuff those into another list of to-be-explored, and so on. Finally the
dual list of files and remote directories to be visited is use to drive
a get-file script. Such a procedure is quite messy, uses lots of memory in
many cases (all those text strings), and requires that one end understand 
the syntax of directory listings of the other end.
	The better approach is to use a file archiving tool on the remote
end which fully understands that end and compose a single resultant file
for movement across the wire. Tools such as zip, zoo, arj, tar are common.
Yes, that involves extra storage on the sending end. When the remote end
is Unix one must deal with Unix-isms such as long filenames, symbolic links,
and mixed case sensitivity. As I said, it's a really messy problem.
	Joe D.

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From: "H. Young" <honge@creighton.edu>
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I'm having trouble with "NAK out of windows" -- it can happen few seconds 
immediately into the transfer to few minute into transfer. Is there 
anyway to overcome this? The two systems involved are 5A(190) under HP-UX 
and 5A(191) in OS/2.


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In article <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com>, jwehner@ball.com (John Wehner) writes:
> In article <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM says...
>>
>>In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>,
>>Earl H. Kinmonth <cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>> . . .  With WFW, I don't think
>>there is any way to run kermit with the native tcp, but it doesn't
>>matter much since . . . . 
>>
>>Les Mikesell
>>  les@mcs.com
> 
> Does this mean I can't run kermit if I am useing WFW?
> I am on a network at work running WFW.
> I want to be able to transfer files from other systems I telnet to.
----------
	It means you can't run two or more TCP/IP stacks at the same time
over the same board, no matter what o/s. If you use Kermit's internal
TCP/IP stack then that counts to the limit, ditto if you use MS' TCP/IP
stack in WFW. The limit is one, naturally.
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermitting through OS Layers Trouble
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In article <4dn8a7$sk9@news.halcyon.com>,
Edward Hatfield <ehat@halcyon.com> wrote:
: I'm running cKermit 1.90 on a DG/UX AViiON Box and it seems quite
: happy there.  With it I'm trying to reach out to a copy of the same
: cKermit compiled on a Motorola 88k, which I created for file transfer.
: 
: When I invoke Kermit on my local AViiON box and call the remote
: system, I'm dropped into a PICK environment that lives on top of unix
: (with unix being the core of their box).  From there I 'sh' down into
: unix and invoke kermit as a server.
: 
: Everything seems happy enough, but when I try to do 'remote' commands
: or transfer files, nothing happens.
: 
: I've tried:	a) Various (if not all) parity settings.
: 		b) Changing the character control used in file transfer.
: 		c) Changing 'stty' settings
: 		d) Changing flow-control and handshaking.
: 
: The tool thats given me the most information has been loggin packets.
: By doing this I've verified that the remote command receives the
: inital packet from me and returns an reply packet, but... My Local
: machine Never Gets it, it times out.
: 
On which side did you log the packets?

: I try to be clever... (lord knows)... but I'm at the end of my
: resources.  Any help at this point would be appreciated.  Kermit is
: the best!
: 
Without seeing the packet logs, I would guess that:

  b) Changing the character control used in file transfer.

is the most likely area of interest.  First, make sure that you are not
using the "control-character unprefixing" feature.  Then the only control
character you have to worry about is the start-of-packet character.  Perhaps
the regular one, Control-A (ASCII 1), has some special significance in the
PICK environment.

However, it seems from what you said that that the PICK side can *receive*
regular packets OK, but evidently can not send them -- at least not all the
way to the other end.  So you would need to change the start-of-packet
character in the PICK-to-AViiON direction.  Suppose you want to change it
to Control-G.  Tell C-Kermit on the PICK end to:

  set send start 7

and tell C-Kermit on the AViiON end to:

  set receive start 7

That is, the one Kermit has to be told to send it, and the other must be
told to expect it.

If that doesn't do the trick, try some other control characters.  If that
fails too, send me packet logs from both Kermits by email.

- Frank

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Date: 22 Jan 1996 19:47:21 GMT
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In article <4drisb$bnb@freenet.unbc.edu>,
Jack Bowling <ad151@freenet.unbc.edu> wrote:
> Nice to see the good Kermit press in the latest Dr. Dobb's Journal. My 
> assumption is that the techniques described by the author therein are his 
> own alterations to the Kermit source code? Or are they already contained 
> in one of the many flavors of Kermit?
>
Tim Kientzle wrote a book called "The Working Programmer's Guide to Serial
Protocols" and he wrote his own Kermit and XYZMODEM code from scratch.
The Dr Dobbs article is a followup.

The Kermit protocol was designed from the very beginning to (a) be
extensible, and (b) allow sliding windows with selective retransmission.

There is a difference between an abstract protocol specification and its
implementation in software.  The major performance issue in a sliding
window protocol with selective retransmission is error recovery.  There
are many sorts of errors, and many possible ways to recover from each.
"Which packet(s) should I retransmit?" and so on.  These are not protocol
issues, but implementation ones.

The techniques used in MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit have proven effective
and stable in the real world for some years.  As Tim points out, Kermit
sliding-window transfers degrade quite slowly under conditions of
increasing noise and/or delay.  This is by design, and we verified it
ourselves in the lab some years ago under controlled conditions.  This is
not to say that other strategies are not possible or that our own cannot
be improved.  But I think the important point is that the error recovery
methods used in MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit have been tested by millions
over a broad range of connections and platforms, and whenever a situation
arose that we did not handle well (or at all), we refined our techniques
accordingly, and this has resulted in a stable base of code that works
well in practically every situation.

As new bottlenecks become evident, we will continue to address them, but
by now I think most such advances in this area will qualify as "fine
tuning" rather than "great leaps forward".

In the meantime, thanks to Tim for publicizing some of the
little-understood benefits of the Kermit protocol.

- Frank

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From: "Mark T. Regan" <reganm@coil.com>
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Subject: HP3000 Kermit ?
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:10:25 -0500 (EST)
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Does the HP3000 version of Kermit allow you to make an outbound dial call
to another system?

Thanks.

=====================================================================
Mark T. Regan                        Internet: reganm@coil.com
Network Specialist                   City:  Reynoldsburg
CTO1    USNR-R (1969-1991)           State: Ohio


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From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin)
Subject: P rz stuck at end of download
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I'm using P (version 2.05) with OS/2 C-Kermit and have found that although
rz works ok using a serial connection, it hangs at the end of a file
transfer when using TCP/IP (telnet).  So far I've tried varying the
commbuf size and also tried specifying -escape control but always get the
same results - p.exe does not return to C-Kermit after the last byte is
transferred.  Has anyone ever gotten the rz macro to work in a network
environment with OS/2 C-Kermit?  Do I need to do anything else before 
starting the telnet session from C-Kermit for P to work properly? 

The sz macro DOES work on both a serial connection and via TCP/IP.

--
Antonio Querubin  
tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@hawaii.ampr.org
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From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: PC Connection Problems
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We are using kermit to transfer files between two PC's via modem. 
 However, sometimes we are unable to connect the PC's at the same 
baud rate (i.e., 9600).  In the mscustom.ini we have "set baud 
9600" and we also have "AT %B9600" to set the baud rate between 
the modem and the PC.  However, often when trying to connect we 
will see on the dailing PC CONNECT 9600 but on the answering PC 
we see CONNECT 7200.  Any ideas of what else needs to be set.

We are also trying to use the "SET PORT 2" command in 
mscustom.ini but receive a warning that have "unknown hardware 
for port2"  Any ideas of what is wrong (note, these are standard 
486 stand alone PCs).

Thanks in advance,
Rich GOdlewsky
Sparta Systems, Inc.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <4dp6i9$9vt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>,
Remington Stone <rem@helios.ucolick.org> wrote:
> I have a direct serial connection between a PC running WFWG3.11 and
> Kermit 3.14 patch 9, and a Sparc5 with SunOS4.1.3 and C-Kermit 5A(190).
> File transfer between the two is fine.  I have not been able to figure
> out a way to transfer an entire directory tree with all associated files
> between the two machines.
>
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a utility, XSEND, that will do this for you
in the PC-to-UNIX direction.  With some work, it could also be made to
work in the other direction too.  Look in the UTILS subdirectory, read the
XSEND.HLP file.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com>, John Wehner <jwehner@ball.com> wrote:
: In article <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM says...
: >
: >In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>,
: >Earl H. Kinmonth <cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk> wrote:
: > . . .  With WFW, I don't think
: >there is any way to run kermit with the native tcp, but it doesn't
: >matter much since . . . . 
: 
: Does this mean I can't run kermit if I am useing WFW?
: I am on a network at work running WFW.
: I want to be able to transfer files from other systems I telnet to.
: 
No, it does not mean you can't run Kermit if you are using WFW.
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file, NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC, that explains
how to do it.  Quoting from Chapter 8 of that file:

Steps to follow after installing network support in WFW v3.11.	This presumes
that WFW owns the network adapter (Situation 1 above).

1. Ensure that both PROTMAN.EXE and PROTMAN.DOS are in the WFW directory.
   You may have to uncompress them from the WFW distribution media.  Copy 
   files DIS_PKT9.DOS and WINPKT.COM there too.

2. Edit PROTOCOL.INI to insert the [pktdrv] section as shown below.
   Changes to the intvec= and novell= lines are permitted.  An NE2000 
   NDIS v2 board driver, MS$NE2000, is used in this example:

	[pktdrv]
	DriverName=PKTDRV$
	bindings=MS$NE2000
	intvec=0x63
	novell=no

3. Edit SYSTEM.INI [network drivers] section to add ",DIS_PKT9.DOS" to the 
   transport= line, and to ensure an NDIS v2 netcard= driver has been given. 
   Please do not confuse this transport= line with a similar one in the 
   [enhanced] section; the [enhanced] section refers to 32-bit protected 
   mode material.  An NE2000 board is used in this example.

	[network drivers]
	devdir=C:\WFW
	LoadRMDrivers=Yes
	transport=ndishlp.sys,*netbeui,dis_pkt9.dos
	netcard=ne2000.dos

4. Before starting Windows issue DOS commands (once only)

	NET START
	WINPKT \x060 0x63		(example interrupts)

   The first command energizes the NDIS V2 handlers, and the DIS_PKT9 banner
   should be displayed ending with the Ethernet address of your board.	NET.EXE
   is in the WFW directory; also see next paragraph.  The second command starts
   Windows helper shim WINPKT, and that needs the Packet Driver (DIS_PKT9)
   active beforehand.
   
   A comment on the line "LoadRMDrivers=Yes."  NET START reads file SYSTEM.INI
   to obtain loading information, and the answer "Yes" tells it to run
   PROTMAN.EXE that loads the drivers with PROTOCOL.INI supplying details.  If
   the answer were "No" then the Real Mode (RM) drivers would not be loaded or
   available.  However, if "No" were stated then we could give command NET
   START NETBIND to run PROTMAN.EXE and get the same results as the "Yes" case.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: K95 has problem with Microcom modem
Date: 23 Jan 1996 16:20:36 GMT
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In article <4dpf60$jh8@kirin.wwa.com>,  <jjacobus@wwa.com> wrote:
: I just installed K95 (v1.1.2) today. The dialer doesn't work with my
: Microm DeskPort Fast EP 28.8.
: 
: Modem is configured as "microcom-at".  Dialer fails when it tries to
: initialize the modem. I set "require carrier" to "off" for an entry,
: tried again, still no luck. I can manually dial with no problem, so baud
: rate, flow control, etc. are ok.
: 
Please do this:

 . Start K95.EXE (without the Dialer).

 . Give the following commands at the prompt:

     set modem type microcom-at
     set port <whatever>
     log debug
     dial <whatever>
     close debug

 . Send me the resulting debug.log file.

: Since the dialer takes control after K95.INI and K95CUSTOM.INI, I can't
: see a way of creating a custom modem configuration.
: 
See item 22 in the BUGS.DOC file.  Quoting:

22. SET MODEM commands in K95CUSTOM.INI have no effect (K)

Symptom         Modem customization commands added to K95CUSTOM.INI seem
                to have no effect when launching a connection from the Dialer,
                even though they do work correctly when when K95.EXE is
                started without the Dialer.

Diagnosis       The Dialer generates a SET MODEM TYPE <type> command that is
                executed by K95.EXE after the K95CUSTOM.INI file is executed.
                The SET MODEM TYPE command reinitializes all of the SET MODEM
                modem parameters from an internal table, thus overriding the
                customizations you made in the INI file.

Workaround      Bypass the Dialer if you need to use customized modem
                parameters or a user-defined modem type.

Cure            Fixed in version 1.1.1.

The fix was that the command list composed by the Dialer used to say:

  set modem type <whatever>

but in 1.1.1 and later it says:

  if not equal "\v(modem)" "<whatever>" set modem type <whatever>

Thus you should be able to give commands like this in your K95CUSTOM.INI:

  set modem type microcom-at
  set modem command xxx yyy
  set modem command xxx yyy
  set modem command xxx yyy
  ....

And then, when making a connection using the Dialer and with the
"microcom-at" modem type selected in the Dialer, the "set modem" command
should be skipped (since it was already set in K95CUSTOM.INI), and
therefore the built-in modem commands will not be reloaded and therefore
will not overwrite the ones you put in your K95CUSTOM.INI file.

You can check what the Dialer is doing by adding the following command
to your K95CUSTOM.INI file:

  set startup-file keep

The command list that the Dialer constructs is stored in the file:

  <K95-directory>\TMP\<Connection-name>.INI

In any case, we'll be able to handle this more expeditiously by direct
email, so please follow up with me.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: NAK out of windows
Date: 23 Jan 1996 17:08:10 GMT
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In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.960121135132.2199A-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>,
H. Young <honge@creighton.edu> wrote:
: I'm having trouble with "NAK out of windows" -- it can happen few seconds 
: immediately into the transfer to few minute into transfer. Is there 
: anyway to overcome this? The two systems involved are 5A(190) under HP-UX 
: and 5A(191) in OS/2.
:
Please send a description of the kind of connection you have, along with
packet logs from each end, to:

  kermit-support@columbia.edu

- Frank



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: HP3000 Kermit ?
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.960122090912.27568A-100000@bronze.coil.com>,
Mark T. Regan <reganm@coil.com> wrote:
: Does the HP3000 version of Kermit allow you to make an outbound dial 
: call to another system?
:
Yes.  See the HP3000.DOC file that comes with HP3000 Kermit.  There is
no built-in dial command or modem support, so presumabely you would
make a connection to the modem:

  set line <device-name>
  set speed <cps>
  connect

and then type the appropriate setup and dialing commands to the modem.

- Frank

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In article <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>,
Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com  <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
: We are using kermit to transfer files between two PC's via modem. 
: However, sometimes we are unable to connect the PC's at the same 
: baud rate (i.e., 9600).  In the mscustom.ini we have "set baud 
: 9600" and we also have "AT %B9600" to set the baud rate between 
: the modem and the PC.  However, often when trying to connect we 
: will see on the dailing PC CONNECT 9600 but on the answering PC 
: we see CONNECT 7200.  Any ideas of what else needs to be set.
: 
This usually means that conditions on the connection between the
two modems were not good enough to sustain 9600 bps, and so they
negotiated to a fallback speed.

You need to configure your modems to keep their interface speed
fixed at 9600 (or whatever), regardless of the connection speed.
And obviously, you also need effective and instantaneous flow
control between each modem and its computer, ideally RTS/CTS.
So both modems and both copies of Kermit should be configured for
RTS/CTS flow control.

: We are also trying to use the "SET PORT 2" command in 
: mscustom.ini but receive a warning that have "unknown hardware 
: for port2"  Any ideas of what is wrong (note, these are standard 
: 486 stand alone PCs).
: 
The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14.  It comes with a file
called KERMIT.BWR that should contain the answer to your question.
If you are not using version 3.14, please upgrade.

- Frank

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: P rz stuck at end of download
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In article <DLM2sy.C7I@news.hawaii.edu>,
Antonio Querubin <tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu> wrote:
>I'm using P (version 2.05) with OS/2 C-Kermit and have found that although
>rz works ok using a serial connection, it hangs at the end of a file
>transfer when using TCP/IP (telnet).  So far I've tried varying the
>commbuf size and also tried specifying -escape control but always get the
>same results - p.exe does not return to C-Kermit after the last byte is
>transferred.  Has anyone ever gotten the rz macro to work in a network
>environment with OS/2 C-Kermit?  Do I need to do anything else before 
>starting the telnet session from C-Kermit for P to work properly? 

There is a known bug in P 2.05 with regards to the timeout value
at the end of a transfer.  The transfer is complete.  It is safe to
Ctrl-C at this point.  If you wait for 60 seconds or so it should 
Terminate.







Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
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From: Bala Balakrishnan <balakrishnanb@cyanamid.com>
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Subject: Kermit - noninteractive mode usage.
Date: 23 Jan 1996 15:34:39 GMT
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I would like to see some script examples which uses kermit for 
non-interactive communication.

I am trying to use kermit to communicate between a hp9000 running hpux 
9.0 and a remote OS/2 PC. When I connect to the OS/2 PC, it will 
automatically invoke a 3rd party software which will connect to a IBM 
3090, collect a file and convert it from EBCIDIC to ASCII and place it on 
the OS/2. At that point, I will escape back to the local kermit and 
receive the file. I have been able to get this working after tweaking a 
lot of parameters. 

Now, I would like this process to be automated using a unix shell script 
or whatever. Unfortunately the hpux documentation that I have on kermit 
is very minimal and it does not have any examples at all.

I would appreciate if someone can send me some examples of using kermit 
in non-interactive mode. My email address is balakrishnanb@cyanamid.com
Also, is there a FAQ for this news group? If yes, where can I find it?

Thanks in advance,
Bala.


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit - noninteractive mode usage.
Date: 23 Jan 1996 22:42:55 GMT
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In article <4e2v6f$f17@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com>,
Bala Balakrishnan  <balakrishnanb@cyanamid.com> wrote:
: I am trying to use kermit to communicate between a hp9000 running hpux
: 9.0 and a remote OS/2 PC.  When I connect to the OS/2 PC, it will
: automatically invoke a 3rd party software which will connect to a IBM
: 3090, collect a file and convert it from EBCIDIC to ASCII and place it
: on the OS/2.  At that point, I will escape back to the local kermit and
: receive the file.  I have been able to get this working after tweaking a
: lot of parameters.
: 
: Now, I would like this process to be automated using a unix shell script 
: or whatever. Unfortunately the hpux documentation that I have on kermit 
: is very minimal and it does not have any examples at all.
: 
The current version of HP-UX is 10.x, and the current version of C-Kermit
for HP-UX is 5A(190).  In fact, C-Kermit 5A(190) is part of HP-UX 10.0, by
agreement between Columbia University and Hewlett Packard.  Earlier
releases of HP-UX included an ancient version of C-Kermit, 4E(072), which,
unlike the current version, does not have a script programming language.
So first you will need to install the current version of C-Kermit on your
HP-UX system.  See our Web page for details:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

Use one of the HP-UX 9.0-specific makefile entries.

: I would appreciate if someone can send me some examples of using kermit 
: in non-interactive mode.
:
Three chapters of the manual, "Using C-Kermit", are devoted to script
programming.  This applies to both the HP-UX version and the OS/2 version,
as well as to many others.  For information about the manual, see:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html

Also look at the ckermit.ini (.kermrc) file that comes with C-Kermit
5A(190) for some examples.

: Also, is there a FAQ for this news group? If yes, where can I find it?
: 
  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

- Frank

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In article <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes:
> We are using kermit to transfer files between two PC's via modem. 
>  However, sometimes we are unable to connect the PC's at the same 
> baud rate (i.e., 9600).  In the mscustom.ini we have "set baud 
> 9600" and we also have "AT %B9600" to set the baud rate between 
> the modem and the PC.  However, often when trying to connect we 
> will see on the dailing PC CONNECT 9600 but on the answering PC 
> we see CONNECT 7200.  Any ideas of what else needs to be set.

	No thoughts since it's a pure modem to modem effect. When the modems
 do connect it is at the same telco rate (and must be for them to converse). 
The PC bus side can operate at a different rate, and we suggest locking
the modems to a higher (say 38400) interface rate.
 
> We are also trying to use the "SET PORT 2" command in 
> mscustom.ini but receive a warning that have "unknown hardware 
> for port2"  Any ideas of what is wrong (note, these are standard 
> 486 stand alone PCs).

	It means what it says: there is something not quite right
with that port on your machine. The Kermit release documentation
has many hints on sorting out serial ports. Most often it's an
IRQ conflict.
        Joe D.

> Thanks in advance,
> Rich GOdlewsky
> Sparta Systems, Inc.

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From: Peter Schmolck <p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de>
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jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:
>In article <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes:

>> We are also trying to use the "SET PORT 2" command in 
>> mscustom.ini but receive a warning that have "unknown hardware 
>> for port2"  Any ideas of what is wrong (note, these are standard 
>> 486 stand alone PCs).
>
>	It means what it says: there is something not quite right
>with that port on your machine. The Kermit release documentation
>has many hints on sorting out serial ports. Most often it's an
>IRQ conflict.

This is a familiar error message to me also, and I believe there has been a 
discussion in this group a couple of months ago. Meanwhile, I do not care 
about the reasons but simply type "set port 2" from the MS-Kermit prompt 
again, and then everything would be OK, usually.


-- 
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Department of Education                       Phone :     +49-89-6004-2056
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85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY



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In article <4e2tku$44u@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Peter Schmolck <p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de> writes:
>From: Peter Schmolck <p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de>
>jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:
>>In article <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky
>76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes:
>>> We are also trying to use the "SET PORT 2" command in 
>>> mscustom.ini but receive a warning that have "unknown hardware 
>>> for port2"  Any ideas of what is wrong (note, these are standard 
>>> 486 stand alone PCs).
>>
>>       It means what it says: there is something not quite right
>>with that port on your machine. The Kermit release documentation
>>has many hints on sorting out serial ports. Most often it's an
>>IRQ conflict.

>This is a familiar error message to me also, and I believe there has been a 
>discussion in this group a couple of months ago. Meanwhile, I do not care 
>about the reasons but simply type "set port 2" from the MS-Kermit prompt 
>again, and then everything would be OK, usually.

If it works the second time the command is invoked, it means you are running 
under Windows.  Windows is mucking with the ports and thinks another program 
is using it.

JamesS

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From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
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Subject: Re: MS-kermit->Ckermit: howto force lowercase
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gerry@blue.intele.net (Gerry Jensen) wrote:

>I'm transferring files from MS-Kermit to Ckermit.  I want the transferred 
>files to be saved in lowercase letters instead of uppercase.  Is there a 
>command on either the MS-Kermit side or Ckermit side to force this?

I read in "Using CKermit ..." that telling UNIX CKermit to "set file names
converted" will cause it to convert the names to lower case upon receiving.

Also, the SEND command allows specifying a remote file name. Kermit's
\Flower() function allows you to change everything to lower case. You could:

	send filename.ext \Flower(filename.ext)

or, in macros where a file name is given as an argument,

	send \%1 \Flower(\%1)

 - Vince

___
   Vincent Fatica
   Syracuse University Mathematics
   vefatica@syr.edu
   http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/

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From: MichaelManning <mgm29@wavenet.com>
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Subject: Hangup modem within KERMIT
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I am posting this for a friend.  You may respond
to any of the following:
     rdk@hnc.com
     mgm@hnc.com
     mgm29@wavenet.com

My friend is using KERMIT to automatically dial
into a couple of different sites and retrieve
specific files.  For some reason, he is unable
to completely disconnect from the first site
before dialing into the second site.  The only
way he has been able to get this to work is to
cycle the power on the modem before logging 
into each site.

Does anyone know how he can tell KERMIT to hang
up the modem??

Here is a copy of the script he has been using:


set modem hayes
set line /dev/ttyb
dial 4679508
input 42 \10
output connect\13
output \13
input 5 Host Name:
output COMPUSERVE\13
input 5 User ID:
output <his user name>\13
input 5 Password:
output <his password>\13
input 40 Enter choice !
output exit\13
output Ctrl-\c
exit


Thanks for your help.



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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Gerry Jensen (gerry@blue.intele.net) wrote:
: I'm transferring files from MS-Kermit to Ckermit.  I want the transferred 
: files to be saved in lowercase letters instead of uppercase.  Is there a 
: command on either the MS-Kermit side or Ckermit side to force this?

set file names convert

should "normalize" names for you.
-- 
---
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                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: gerry@blue.intele.net (Gerry Jensen)
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Subject: MS-kermit->Ckermit: howto force lowercase
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I'm transferring files from MS-Kermit to Ckermit.  I want the transferred 
files to be saved in lowercase letters instead of uppercase.  Is there a 
command on either the MS-Kermit side or Ckermit side to force this?

Thanks,

Gerry
gerry@blue.intele.net


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <yrazqbiymmp.fsf@panix.com>, Brian Downing <bsd@panix.com> wrote:

>I notice that when I take emacs.ini Alt doesn't map to Meta and also
>Ctrl-Spacebar doesn't work for marking. These all work for me with
>MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit 190 under AIX 4.1.

There is a bug in K95 with regard to the default definition of Ctrl-Space.
It is currently defined as \32.  It should be defined as \KNull.
You can correct this by editing your K95CUSTOM.INI file and adding the
line:

SET KEY \1056 \Knull

--

As far as the Meta keys go.  I believe they do work.  Use the SHOW KEY
command to test the definitions for each key.  For instance, SHOW KEY
followed by Alt-x displays a definition of \{27}x after loading EMACS.INI.

This is the definition of M-x.  


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From: "Joseph B. Gill" <gilljb@gmis.com>
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Subject: Looking for Kermit pine downloading script
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Hello,

Does anyone have or know where there is a "generic" Kermit script
to log on to a UNIX box and download new e-mails from pine? 

Thanks,

Joe Gill
E-Mail gilljb@pond.com

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3106684A.1E34@gmis.com>, Joseph B. Gill <gilljb@gmis.com> wrote:
>Does anyone have or know where there is a "generic" Kermit script
>to log on to a UNIX box and download new e-mails from pine? 
>
>From our FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

18 HOW DO I USE KERMIT WITH PINE?

Here's a tip sheet we use at Columbia University - thanks to Joe Brennan.

SCREEN FORMATTING

Make sure that your UNIX terminal type agrees with Kermit's terminal emulation.
For example, if Kermit is emulating a VT320, tell UNIX:

  export TERM=vt320

or:

  setenv TERM vt320

If there is a complaint about "terminal type unknown" when starting Pine, then
try a lesser VT terminal model, such as VT220, VT102, VT100.

PRINTING

Pine's print command, letter Y, is known to work with MS-DOS Kermit and Mac
Kermit.  With MS-DOS Kermit, if the printer is directly attached, it should
make the printer print the selected email message.  With Mac Kermit, it should
send the selected email message into the printer buffer, which can be seen in
the Printer window, and which can be printed using the print command in the
pulldown File menu.

The command ''pcprint'' on UNIX (*), which prints any text file, does the same
thing as Pine's Print command.  It may be easier to debug problems by running a
command like ''pcprint .profile'' at the UNIX shell ($ prompt).

(*) pcprint is a UNIX shell script:

---(cut here)---
echo -n '<ESC>[5i'
if [ $# -eq 0 ]; then
  cat
else
  cat $*
fi
echo -n '<ESC>[4i'
---(cut here)---
(Replace <ESC> by a real Escape (ASCII 27) character.

DOWNLOADING FROM PINE TO THE PC

Use Pine's command letter E, Export, to copy a message into a file.  This file
will be created in your home directory on UNIX.  Then it can be downloaded to
your PC or Mac using Kermit.  After you finish, remember to remove the
now-unneeded file on UNIX, using the ''rm'' command at the $ prompt.

If you View a MIME-encoded message, Pine will ask whether to save it to a file
with a name of your choice.  Pine will decode the message and create the file
in your home directory on UNIX.  It can then be downloaded to your PC using
kermit.  MIME-encoded files are often binaries rather than plain text, so you
should set kermit to transfer a binary file.

UPLOADING FROM THE PC TO PINE

Send email in plain text if possible.  Save the document as plain ASCII text
with the PC application that created it.  Use Kermit to upload it to UNIX.  Run
Pine, choose letter C, Compose, and address your message as usual.  Move the
cursor to the Message Text area and choose control-R, Read File, and type the
name the file (the copy on UNIX) to insert.  You will see the file on screen,
as if you had typed it.  If it looks strange, it's not plain text, so start
over.  After you finish, remember to remove the now-unneeded file on UNIX,
using the ''rm'' command at the $ prompt.

If you want to send a PC document, use Kermit to upload it, setting Kermit to
transfer a binary file.  Run Pine, choose letter C, Compose, and at the
Attchmnt: header, type the name of the file (the copy on UNIX).  Pine will
encode it using MIME, and attach it to the end of any text you choose to type
in the message.  *Note*: with MIME or any form of encoding, you should
determine whether the recipient of your message will be able to decode it.
Plain text email (previous paragraph) can be read on any email system.

(End quote)

You can also use the printing method described above to save (append)
a message to a PC file, by using MS-DOS Kermit's SET PRINTER command to
redirect printer material to the desired file.

- Frank

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From: Andy Eskilsson <mpt95aes@pt.hk-r.se>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Swedish characters..
Date: 25 Jan 1996 17:33:06 +0100
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The net finally reached me, and I would like to send my thanx to the
people behind kermit, who gave me a cosy package for communicating
with my unix hosts from my 386sx16 with 1 meg memory :-) (I am at the
moment looking for the closest dealer for the kermit book..)

Well I have a small problem, as I am swedish, I would like to
read/write swedish texts, with our three special characters, a with ",
a with *, and an o with ".

When I press the keys on my keyboard emacs gets: ^[D, ^[F and ^[T, not
åäö (wow how did I do that :-)), and when I manage to find some swedish
texts, the åäö looks like down-arrow, left-arrow and rotated T.

Any hints how to fix this, what files to look into? Where to poke?

	/andy

-- 
 Don't walk in front of me, I might be unable to follow you.
 Don't walk after me, I might be unable to lead you.
 Just walk by my side and be my friend.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Swedish characters..
Date: 25 Jan 1996 22:49:38 GMT
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In article <lvka2gb5fh.fsf@ariel.pt.hk-r.se>,
Andy Eskilsson  <mpt95aes@pt.hk-r.se> wrote:
> The net finally reached me, and I would like to send my thanx to the
> people behind kermit, who gave me a cosy package for communicating
> with my unix hosts from my 386sx16 with 1 meg memory :-) (I am at the
> moment looking for the closest dealer for the kermit book..)
>
Do you have a Web browser?  You can find out all about Kermit books at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html

>Well I have a small problem, as I am swedish, I would like to
>read/write swedish texts, with our three special characters, a with ",
>a with *, and an o with ".
>
As it happens, Kermit knows all about Swedish and many other languages
too.

>When I press the keys on my keyboard emacs gets: ^[D, ^[F and ^[T, not
>åäö (wow how did I do that :-)), and when I manage to find some swedish
>texts, the åäö looks like down-arrow, left-arrow and rotated T.
>
That is because EMACS -- at least your copy of it -- is configured to
treat characters that have their 8th bit set to 1 to be "meta" characters,
i.e. commands.  Meta-A (M-A in EMACS jargon) means "A" with its 8th bit
set, which is the same as the EMACS command ESC-A.

>Any hints how to fix this, what files to look into? Where to poke?
>
When you receive your "Using MS-DOS Kermit" manual, it will explain all
about how to use character sets, but it doesn't tell you how to configure
EMACS.  First of all, you can't use 8-bit characters until EMACS 19 (or
MULE).  So if you want Swedish characters in EMACS 18.xx or earlier, you
will have to use 7-bit Swedish ISO 646 "{", "|", "}", which Kermit also
supports.

Leaving EMACS aside, for the moment, however, all you have to do in Kermit
is (assuming your PC code page is 850 or 437):

For 8-bit ISO Latin-1:
  SET TERMINAL BYTE 8
  SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET LATIN1

For 7-bit Swedish ISO 646:
  SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET SWEDISH

Your "special" Swedish keys should work correctly in both cases.

- Frank

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From: Robert Ong <onglc@po.pacific.net.sg>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit 3.14
Date: 18 Jan 1996 14:31:26 GMT
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We are all using Kermit 3.14 to connect to the Alpha Unix machines
at work.

We have a perculiar problem: When the Unix machine prompts 'Username:',
it expects to input to be in lower case. This is OK for all PCs except
one - this one seems to have a CapsLock freeze!  What ever I type in
I can only get it in upper case (a no-no for Unix logons).

I've tried copying a similar setup of Kermit from a different PC, but
no go!

I know it is not the software, but has anyone here encountered a similar
problem and can help me narrow down the fault?

TIA

Robert

PS: Would appreciate replies via email....thanks


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From: Richard McAllister <rfm@worldnet.att.net>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta
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jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote:
>In article <yrazqbiymmp.fsf@panix.com>, Brian Downing <bsd@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>I notice that when I take emacs.ini Alt doesn't map to Meta a
>As far as the Meta keys go.  I believe they do work.  

They do seem to work for me, *except* for the all important Meta-X.
Is it somehow fighting with the default setup of using Alt-X
to pop back to command mode?  I looked in the docs for a way
to turn that off but couldn't find it.  Now, after using
emacs.ini, Alt-X no longer takes me back to command mode,
but it doesn't seem to send ESC X either.  Instead, I get
a short beep.

Rich



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14
Date: 26 Jan 1996 16:05:05 GMT
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In article <4dllju$jrb@raffles.technet.sg>,
Robert Ong  <onglc@po.pacific.net.sg> wrote:
: We are all using Kermit 3.14 to connect to the Alpha Unix machines
: at work.
: 
: We have a perculiar problem: When the Unix machine prompts 'Username:',
: it expects to input to be in lower case. This is OK for all PCs except
: one - this one seems to have a CapsLock freeze!  What ever I type in
: I can only get it in upper case (a no-no for Unix logons).
: 
: I've tried copying a similar setup of Kermit from a different PC, but
: no go!
: 
: I know it is not the software, but has anyone here encountered a similar
: problem and can help me narrow down the fault?
: 
Right, it's not Kermit -- at least not unless somebody has played a
practical joke and inserted a key-setting file that maps all lowercase
letters to uppercase.

Perhaps, as you suggest, the Caps Lock key is stuck -- try swapping
keyboards to see if the problem moves with the keyboard.

Another possibility -- if this PC is coming in on a particular serial port
-- is that the UNIX console device has some peculiar lower- to uppercase
mapping in effect.  Use "man stty" on your UNIX system to see all the
possibilities here and how to undo them.

- Frank

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From: "Martin Ðberg" <t94ma@columbia.edu>
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Urgent!!
Does anyone have the source-code for Kermit or another protocol to be used with
the Motorola HC11? Preferably in C, C++ or assembler. I intend to use it point
to point between two HC11's.

Martin Aberg, University Karlskrona/Ronneby, Sweden
email: t94ma@kna.hk-r.se, t94ma@dme.hk-r.se


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In article <4e9u9k$t5i@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Richard McAllister  <rfm@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote:

>They do seem to work for me, *except* for the all important Meta-X.
>Is it somehow fighting with the default setup of using Alt-X
>to pop back to command mode?  I looked in the docs for a way
>to turn that off but couldn't find it.  Now, after using
>emacs.ini, Alt-X no longer takes me back to command mode,
>but it doesn't seem to send ESC X either.  Instead, I get
>a short beep.


When you redefine the meaning of the Alt-x key, it can't also be used
for the previous meaning.  Use the Ctrl-] c combination to return to command 
mode when \Kexit is not defined to any other key.

Then use the SHOW KEY command to see what the Alt-x and Alt-X keys are
defined as.  they should be \{27}x and \{27}X respectively.

If not, send mail to kermit-support@columbia.edu

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
               * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
  C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html
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In article <4dllju$jrb@raffles.technet.sg> Robert Ong <onglc@po.pacific.net.sg> writes:
>We have a perculiar problem: When the Unix machine prompts 'Username:',
>it expects to input to be in lower case. This is OK for all PCs except
>one - this one seems to have a CapsLock freeze!  What ever I type in
>I can only get it in upper case (a no-no for Unix logons).

>I've tried copying a similar setup of Kermit from a different PC, but
>no go!

>I know it is not the software, but has anyone here encountered a similar
>problem and can help me narrow down the fault?

Have you checked the machine for viruses?

JamesS

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From: Jozef Dodziuk <jozek@hodge.gc.cuny.edu>
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I am using kermit to connect an old AT via a direct serial line to a computer
running Linux.  Everything works fine except that I do not get reversed video
on the screen (monochrome monitor driven by a Hercules card).  I suspect that
SET TERMINAL COLOR with some parameters might do the trick, but I do not know 
what parameters to use.  Any help will be appreciated.
 
-- 
Jozef Dodziuk, Ph.D. Program in Mathematics
Graduate School and University Center (CUNY), New York, NY 10036
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Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> writes:

>          7      DECAWM         Autowrap       on             off

How about providing some means to lock this on (or off)?

Not that I don't have the same trouble with real DEC terminals
getting their wrap mode zapped by various Unix systems or
set terminal /inquire on DEC systems, but this would sure be
a handy addition to MSK.

Billy Y..

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Terminal emulation in Kermit
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In article <4eavbb$148b@news.cuny.edu>, Jozef Dodziuk <jozek@hodge.gc.cuny.edu> writes:
> I am using kermit to connect an old AT via a direct serial line to a computer
> running Linux.  Everything works fine except that I do not get reversed video
> on the screen (monochrome monitor driven by a Hercules card).  I suspect that
> SET TERMINAL COLOR with some parameters might do the trick, but I do not know 
> what parameters to use.  Any help will be appreciated.
-------
	I recommend leaving SET TERM COLOR strictly alone when employing
a mono display system. Recall that the host has to command reverse video,
or you can say SET TERM SCREEN NORMAL or REVERSE (rather drastic).
	I don't have Linux, but watching over shoulders of others I gain
the impression that it dearly loves to play with colors directly rather
than a "reverse video" command.
	You can experiment locally with commands from this clipping from file
msvibm.vt:

 CSI ? Ps;...;Ps h  SM		Set DEC mode, see table below
 CSI ? Ps;...;Ps l  RM		Reset DEC mode, see table below
         Ps     Mnemonic       Mode           Set (h)        Reset (l)
         0                     error (ignored)
         1      DECCKM         cursor keys    application    cursor/numeric
         2      DECANM         ANSI	      VT320/VT102    VT52
         3      DECCOLM        Columns        +132 col       80 col
         4      DECSCLM       *Scrolling      smooth         jump
         5      DECSCNM        Screen, whole  reverse video  normal
         6      DECOM          Origin         stay in margins ignore margins
         7      DECAWM         Autowrap       on             off
         8      DECARM        *Autorepeat     on             off
         9      DECINLM       *Interlace      on             off
         18     DECPFF         Printer term   Form Feed	     none
         19     DECPEX         Printer extent screen         scrolling region
	 25	DECTCEM	       Cursor	      visible	     invisible
         34     DECRLM         Writing        right to left  left to right
	 35	DECHEBM     +++Invoke macro:  KEYBOARDS      KEYBOARDR
	 36	DECHEM     ++++Hebrew encoding Multinational  Hebrew NRC
         38     n/a            Graphics (Tek) ++graphics     text
	 42	DECNRCM	       Nat Repl Char  enable	     disable
	 66	DECNKM	       Numeric keypad application    numeric
	 68	DECKBUM	      *Typewriter     data process   typewriter
                           + Horizontal scrolling. See comments on EGA boards.
                          ++ Ignored if DISABLE TEK has been given.
			 +++ VT320 DEC supplements for Hebrew systems adapted
			     from VT420-Hebrew terminals, invokes a new
			     keyboard map. Kermit invokes macros above.
			++++ Macros TerminalR/S have been removed in v3.13.
	(SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET <country> must be given to employ DEC
	National Replacement Characters. Enabling NRCs replaces	G0..G3 chars
	sets with the NRC set and disables 8-bit controls; disabling only
	re-enables 8-bit controls.)

	Joe D.

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Subject: Scheduling Jobs
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I'am after a piece of software running under DOS/Windows that will
allow me to transmit a series of files to different phone numbers at a
specified time.  Is such thing available ?

regards ,

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| Phil Daws, UK   E-mail : pdaws@nebulon.demon.co.uk |
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <31095855.8056354@news.demon.co.uk>,
Phil Daws <pdaws@nebulon.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: I'am after a piece of software running under DOS/Windows that will
: allow me to transmit a series of files to different phone numbers at a
: specified time.  Is such thing available ?
:
Yes - MS-DOS Kermit.  Obtain the software and the manual, read the
chapter on script programming that contains examples for doing just that.
Full product info on our Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

- Frank

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I just got Kermit 95, version 1.1.2.  I followed the installation
instructions, telling the 'setup' program that I had a US Robotics
modem on port 2.  I then ran k95.exe, and typed 'C' to talk directly
to the modem.  K95 told me to type 'set carrier off' first, so I did.
Then I typed 'C', and then 'ATZ', and the modem responded 'OK', as I
expected.  Then I typed 'ATDT9,382-2116', and instead of seeing all
those characters echo on the screen, as I expected, I saw only
'ATDT9,38'.  Nothing appeared after that.  Nothing else I typed seemed
to have any effect, until I hit Alt+X, which returned me to the K95
prompt.

Oddly, if I run MS-DOS kermit 3.14, and similarly connect with 'C' and
then type 'ATZ' and 'ATDT9,382-2116' as before, it works flawlessly.

What might I be doing wrong?

Please respond via email, as I don't regularly read this newsgroup.
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From: bsd@panix.com (Brian Downing)
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Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta
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In article <yraohrp92pw.fsf@panix.com> bsd@panix.com I wrote:

   ;from emacs.ini
   set key \2168 \27x     ; Alt-x
   set key \2168 \27y     ; Alt-x

   ;should be
   set key \2168 \27x     ; Alt-x
   set key \2169 \27y     ; Alt-x

Obviously I meant

   ;from emacs.ini
   set key \2168 \27x     ; Alt-x
   set key \2168 \27y     ; Alt-y

   ;should be
   set key \2168 \27x     ; Alt-x
   set key \2169 \27y     ; Alt-y

I didn't cut and paste from window to window so I messed up the comments
when I typed and then cut/paste w/emacs.

-- 
[  Brian Downing  ][  If there is a hell       ]
[  bsd@panix.com  ][  its fires wait for them  ]
[   '95 VFR750F   ][  not us. -FZ              ]

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: K95 hangs
Date: 27 Jan 1996 20:36:47 GMT
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In article <pwc64q7h.fsf@ERICH4.microsoft.com>,
unknown <erich@microsoft.com> wrote:
: I just got Kermit 95, version 1.1.2.  I followed the installation
: instructions, telling the 'setup' program that I had a US Robotics
: modem on port 2.  I then ran k95.exe, and typed 'C' to talk directly
: to the modem.  K95 told me to type 'set carrier off' first, so I did.
: Then I typed 'C', and then 'ATZ', and the modem responded 'OK', as I
: expected.  Then I typed 'ATDT9,382-2116', and instead of seeing all
: those characters echo on the screen, as I expected, I saw only
: 'ATDT9,38'.  Nothing appeared after that.  Nothing else I typed seemed
: to have any effect, until I hit Alt+X, which returned me to the K95
: prompt.
: 
Obviously, that's not what's supposed to happen, and not what normally
happens, and (:-) it doesn't happen here.

It sounds like the classic symptom of an interrupt conflict, whose results
can be unpredictable but generally result in an application being able to
send to the port but not read from it.  COM2 is typically on IRQ 3, and
normally that's safe.  Are you sure nothing else is on IRQ 3?

In a similar vein, is it possible that another process -- a fax receiver,
perhaps -- woke up at that moment and grabbed the port away from K95?
This can happen because the TAPI interface, which (among other things)
prevents this sort of thing, is not yet operational.  Until it is, the
safer course is to shut down any apps that are hanging on the same port
before starting K95.

Is the problem reproducible?  If so, does the echoing stop at the same
place every time?

Another possibility involves the ATZ command.  Experience has shown that,
in many modems, particularly internal ones, the ATZ command can generate
spurious interrupts or other special effects.  What happens if you skip
the ATZ command?

Finally, what happens if, instead of CONNECTing and typing commands at the
modem, you use the built-in DIAL command (or launch K95 from a Dialer
entry)?  If that works, then I would say there is a disagreement between
the modem's settings and K95's.  When you DIAL, K95 issues a series of
commands to put the modem into the appropriate modes, to agree with its
own settings (flow control, etc), thus automatically eliminating confusion
and mismatches.

: Oddly, if I run MS-DOS kermit 3.14, and similarly connect with 'C' and
: then type 'ATZ' and 'ATDT9,382-2116' as before, it works flawlessly.
: 
MS-DOS Kermit is a lot "closer to the metal" than Kermit 95, which goes
through the Microsoft 32-bit drivers and APIs.

: What might I be doing wrong?
: 
If none of the suggestions above helps, please contact me directly and
we'll figure it out.

- Frank

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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip
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In article <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com>, John Wehner <jwehner@ball.com> wrote:
>>
>> . . .  With WFW, I don't think
>>there is any way to run kermit with the native tcp, but it doesn't
>>matter much since . . . . 
>>
>Does this mean I can't run kermit if I am useing WFW?
>
>I am on a network at work running WFW.
>I want to be able to transfer files from other systems I telnet to.

Not if you are using WFW's TCP networking at the same time.  If you only
use ipx or netbeui transports for WFW, you can probably hook the
ndis-packet driver shim to your ndis driver and run packet driver apps
(only) over tcp.  Or, add another ethernet card with a different ip address
for packet driver use...

However, there are several telnet programs that will work over winsock, including
the one that comes with WFW's tcp and the free EWAN.  Most systems that allow
telnet access will also let you use ftp, logging in with your own name and
password, and ws_ftp has a fairly painless interface.   If you really feel
the need to use the kermit protocol over tcp from WFW, look at the programs
in ftp.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/.  They don't include scripting, though,
which is my primary reason for using kermit so I tend to stick to a unix
version of kermit for real work and just telnet there if I happen to be on
some other platform.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com

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From: gerry@blue.intele.net (Gerry Jensen)
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Subject: automatically delete files after download?
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I am downloading files from Ckermit to MS-Kermit using wildcards 
(e.g. get *.*).  I want each file on the CKermit side to be deleted 
immediately after it is downloaded.  Is there a way to do this?

Thanks,

Gerry
gerry@blue.intele.net


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From: Fauvel Gino <indy3@micronet.fr>
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I want to know if there is a version of kermit for windows and windows 95. 
my addres is indy3@micronet.fr


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I want to know if there is a version of kermit for windows and windows 95. 
my addres is indy3@micronet.fr


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In article <4ebfri$53s@vodka.intele.net>,
Gerry Jensen <gerry@blue.intele.net> wrote:
>I am downloading files from Ckermit to MS-Kermit using wildcards 
>(e.g. get *.*).  I want each file on the CKermit side to be deleted 
>immediately after it is downloaded.  Is there a way to do this?
>
The new version, 5A(192), which isn't released yet, lets you do this.
The new commands are MOVE and MMOVE, which you would use in place of
SEND and MSEND.  These commands ensure that the source file is deleted
only if it was sent successfully.  Version 5A(192) of C-Kermit, in
an alpha-test form, can be found in the kermit/test tree on
kermit.columbia.edu.

- Frank

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In article <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

   In article <yrazqbiymmp.fsf@panix.com>, Brian Downing <bsd@panix.com> wrote:

   >I notice that when I take emacs.ini Alt doesn't map to Meta and also
   >Ctrl-Spacebar doesn't work for marking. These all work for me with
   >MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit 190 under AIX 4.1.

   There is a bug in K95 with regard to the default definition of Ctrl-Space.
   It is currently defined as \32.  It should be defined as \KNull.
   You can correct this by editing your K95CUSTOM.INI file and adding the
   line:

   SET KEY \1056 \Knull

This fixed my Ctrl-Space marking, thanks!


   As far as the Meta keys go.  I believe they do work.  Use the SHOW KEY
   command to test the definitions for each key.  For instance, SHOW KEY
   followed by Alt-x displays a definition of \{27}x after loading EMACS.INI.

   This is the definition of M-x.  

I found the Meta-Alt problem. In the new emacs.ini Alt-y is being set
to Meta-x as well as Alt-x. Since the Alt-y line follows it supercedes
the definition.


;from emacs.ini
set key \2168 \27x     ; Alt-x
set key \2168 \27y     ; Alt-x

;should be
set key \2168 \27x     ; Alt-x
set key \2169 \27y     ; Alt-x

-- 
[  Brian Downing  ][  If there is a hell       ]
[  bsd@panix.com  ][  its fires wait for them  ]
[   '95 VFR750F   ][  not us. -FZ              ]

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In article <4ebp5q$4bc@chleuasme.francenet.fr>,
Fauvel Gino  <indy3@micronet.fr> wrote:
>I want to know if there is a version of kermit for windows and windows 95. 
>my addres is indy3@micronet.fr
>
Yes, there is a new 32-bit version of Kermit for Windows 95 and NT.
For information about it, see:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

on the Web, or if you don't have a Web browser, see:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/READ.ME

- Frank

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In article <4eavbb$148b@news.cuny.edu>,
Jozef Dodziuk  <jozek@hodge.gc.cuny.edu> wrote:
>I am using kermit to connect an old AT via a direct serial line to a computer
>running Linux.  Everything works fine except that I do not get reversed video
>on the screen (monochrome monitor driven by a Hercules card).  I suspect that
>SET TERMINAL COLOR with some parameters might do the trick, but I do not know 
>what parameters to use.  Any help will be appreciated.

I used to use almost that exact setup and had the same problem.
At least I thought it was either inverse or underlining in herc-mono.
After talking on this group I was told it was a known problem
with 3.13.  By version 3.14 patch 3 for sure had it fixed.  If
you are not at this revision, probably try upgrading then...
the price is not bad.  \:-)

Randy.




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ehat@halcyon.com (Edward Hatfield) wrote:


>Howdy All,
>	I could really use a hand just now (distant applause...)

>	I'm running cKermit 1.90 on a DG/UX AViiON Box and...
>... on a Motorola 88k, which I created for file transfer.

>	When I invoke Kermit on my local AViiON box and call the remote
>system, I'm dropped into a PICK environment ....  From there I 'sh' down into
>unix and invoke kermit as a server.

>	Everything seems happy enough, but when I try to do 'remote' commands
>or transfer files, nothing happens.

I just wanted to post and let any NG Lurkers out there (like myself)
to know how this all worked out.

I found out by using debug logs comparing a good command and logs made
on the PICK.vs.AViiON that the problem lay in 'ttol' when trying to
write to file descriptor zero.  Also 'echo Hello 1>&0' should have
said 'Hello' on the PICK side and didn't.  At this point I gave up.

BUT Frank didn't (Loud Applause)!

Frank suggested 'make clean' to start fresh on the PICK side and then
'make xxxx "KFLAGS=-DNOFDZERO"' to get around the zero file descriptor
problem.

And it worked GREAT! Thanks for all your help and thanks for Kermit.



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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: paste in K95 ?
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In article <DLwDqv.E6A@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>,
Hua Deng <deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu> wrote:
>I can copy screen text in K95 window and then paste to other program
>such as a text editor, but I can not paste to K95 window, using the
>toolbar commands on top of the K95 window. Is there a way to do it?
>I must have missed something very obvious. 

There is a bug in Win95's CONAGENT.EXE that prevents the use of the 
Toolbar Paste with 32-bit Console Apps.  Instead use the Shift-Insert
(\KPaste) key in K95.




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From: deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng)
Subject: paste in K95 ?
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I can copy screen text in K95 window and then paste to other program
such as a text editor, but I can not paste to K95 window, using the
toolbar commands on top of the K95 window. Is there a way to do it?
I must have missed something very obvious. 
I tried to do the same in hyperterminal but have data over run problem.
Thank you for your help.

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Hua Deng (deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) wrote:
: I can copy screen text in K95 window and then paste to other program
: such as a text editor, but I can not paste to K95 window, using the
: toolbar commands on top of the K95 window. Is there a way to do it?

If you have set "mouse on" in the keyboard tab for the K-95 dialer, you
should be able to double-click the right mouse button to paste clipboard 
text into a K95 terminal session.

I go back and forth from K95 to other apps using the K95 left-button drag to
copy to the clipboard, and double-click right to paste text.

I avoid using the auto-paste feature of CTRL-left drag, because I sometimes
wind up with the wrong text dribbling into the selected area ;-), my fault,
not Kermit's, but annoying, none the less.

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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I use K95 to dial in to my office's computer, and was using an old
program which requires it's menu selections to be entered in upper
case, so I pressed CAPS LOCK on my keyboard.  When I needed to enter
some dates, I used the number keys on the main keyboard (not the
numeric pad) and got the symbols instead of digits, ie ")!@#(%"
instead of "012395".

My K95 was version 1.1, so I installed the 1.1.2 patch, but still got
the same result.  I get the shifted symbols on the Kermit command line
too, not just in connect mode.

Anybody else or is it just me?

Later,
--
Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@sig.net)

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In article <pwc64q7h.fsf@ERICH4.microsoft.com>,
unknown <erich@microsoft.com> wrote:
: I just got Kermit 95, version 1.1.2.  I followed the installation
: instructions, telling the 'setup' program that I had a US Robotics
: modem on port 2.  I then ran k95.exe, and typed 'C' to talk directly
: to the modem.  K95 told me to type 'set carrier off' first, so I did.
: Then I typed 'C', and then 'ATZ', and the modem responded 'OK', as I
: expected.  Then I typed 'ATDT9,382-2116', and instead of seeing all
: those characters echo on the screen, as I expected, I saw only
: 'ATDT9,38'.  Nothing appeared after that.  Nothing else I typed seemed
: to have any effect, until I hit Alt+X, which returned me to the K95
: prompt.

Sounds like the same problem I'm having. Once you've returned to the K95
prompt can you enter 'C' again and carry on ok? Not that I have a solution
mind, I've tried everything right down to swapping hardware to no avail.
Currently I'm back to using 3.14  and waiting on the new GUI version.


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <4ehiv2$t2n@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au>,
Clive Mitchell <cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> wrote:
>In article <pwc64q7h.fsf@ERICH4.microsoft.com>,
>unknown <erich@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>Sounds like the same problem I'm having. Once you've returned to the K95
>prompt can you enter 'C' again and carry on ok? Not that I have a solution
>mind, I've tried everything right down to swapping hardware to no avail.
>Currently I'm back to using 3.14  and waiting on the new GUI version.
>
What type of flow control are you using?

Do you have a FIFO UART?

there is a known problem with win95 xon/xoff flow control that produces 
affects close to what you describe.



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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: K95: Caps Lock affects number keys
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In article <310c534e.104050636@news.aus.sig.net>,
Ami Bar-Yadin <ami@sig.net> wrote:
>I use K95 to dial in to my office's computer, and was using an old
>program which requires it's menu selections to be entered in upper
>case, so I pressed CAPS LOCK on my keyboard.  When I needed to enter
>some dates, I used the number keys on the main keyboard (not the
>numeric pad) and got the symbols instead of digits, ie ")!@#(%"
>instead of "012395".

this is not a bug in K95, but a bug in Microsoft's CONAGENT.EXE.
CONAGENT.EXE is the program that allows Win32 console applications
to execute under Windows 95.  The problem appears to be in the 
char code mapping algorithms.

Unfortunately, this one will have to be fixed by Microsoft.
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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Subject: Re: K95: Caps Lock affects number keys
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Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@sig.net) wrote:
: I use K95 to dial in to my office's computer, and was using an old
: program which requires it's menu selections to be entered in upper
: case, so I pressed CAPS LOCK on my keyboard.  When I needed to enter
: some dates, I used the number keys on the main keyboard (not the
: numeric pad) and got the symbols instead of digits, ie ")!@#(%"
: instead of "012395".

>From the file "bugs.doc", in the K95 distribution:

.6. Keyboard Scan Codes (M)

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: K95: Caps Lock affects number keys
Date: 29 Jan 1996 16:16:07 GMT
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In article <4ehne1$33b@hustle.rahul.net>,
Clarence Dold  <dold@rahul.net> wrote:
: ...
: From the file "bugs.doc", in the K95 distribution:
: ...
: More seriously, Windows 95 returns returns the shifted version of
: non-alphabetic characters when Caps Lock is on; for example, if you
: press the "2" key on a USA keyboard with Caps Lock on, you get "@"
: instead of "2".  This is a Window 95 bug.  The same code under Windows
: NT returns the correct values.
: 
: This bug doesn't seem to affect Notepad.exe or MSDOS windows.
: 
That's because Notepad is not a console application, and because the DOS
window -- which is a console application -- does not read scan codes.

There is nothing Kermit, in its present form, can do about this.  If
Windows gives it the wrong scan code, Kermit can't guess what the right
one would have been -- especially when you consider the multiplicity of
keyboards in the world: who knows what's underneath the Florin sign on
a Flemish keyboard?  (Don't answer :-)

If the next Microsoft update or release fixes the Caps Lock bug, it will
be fixed in Kermit.  The same is true of the 132-column glitch and some
other glaring problems, the category (M) ones in BUGS.DOC.

Meanwhile, we are well into converting Kermit 95 to a full GUI application
with no dependence at all on the console subsystem, which will make the
Caps Lock and 132-column problems (but not the Xon/Xoff one, which affects
ALL Windows apps) go away and, obviously, have lots more benefits too.
Watch this space and our Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

for news.

- Frank

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: MSDOS C-Kermit 3.14 Keyboard ScanCodes
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(Frank, if you think this is useful, feel free to put it in the
distribution.) 

MSDOS C-Kermit 3.14 Keyboard ScanCodes for 88-keyboard (decimal).
Please send additions (especially 101-keyboard codes) and corrections
to vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca.  29 Jan 1996

key       norm shft ctrl  c+s  alt  s+a  c+a c+s+a
--------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Space      313  825 1337 1849 2361 2873 3385 3897
BackSpace  270  782  127  127
Enter      284  796 1308 1820
Escape     257  769 1281 1793
Tab        271  783
ScrLock             1280 1792           3443

Numeric KeyPad. NumLock swaps the "norm" and "shft" codes.
key       norm shft ctrl  c+s  alt  s+a  c+a c+s+a
--------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
Up         328  840 
Down       336  848
Left       331  843 1395 1907
Right      333  845 1396 1908
Home       327  839 1399 1911
End        335  847 1397 1909
PgUp       329  841 1412 1924
PgDn       337  849 1398 1910
Ins        338  850
Del        339  851
NumPad+    334  846
NumPad-    330  842
NumPad5         844

Function Keys
key       norm shft ctrl  c+s  alt  s+a  c+a c+s+a
--------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
F1         315  852 1374 1886 2408 2920 3432 3994
F2         316  853 1375 1887 2409 2921 3433 3995
F3         317  854 1376 1888 2410 2922 3434 3996
F4         318  855 1377 1889 2411 2923 3435 3997
F5         319  856 1378 1890 2412 2924 3436 3998
F6         320  857 1379 1891 2413 2925 3437 3999
F7         321  858 1380 1892 2414 2926 3438 4000
F8         322  859 1381 1893 2415 2927 3439 4001
F9         323  860 1382 1894 2416 2928 3440 4002
F10        324  861 1383 1895 2417 2929 3441 4012

Letters. CapsLock swaps the "norm" and "shft" codes.
key       norm shft ctrl  c+s  alt  s+a  c+a c+s+a
--------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
a A         97   65    1    1 2334 2846 3358 3870
b B         98   66    2    2 2352 2864 3376 3888
c C         99   67    3    3 2350 2862 3374 3886
d D        100   68    4    4 2336 2848 3360 3872
e E        101   69    5    5 2322 2834 3346 3858
f F        102   70    6    6 2337 2849 3361 3873
g G        103   71    7    7 2338 2850 3362 3874
h H        104   72    8    8 2339 2851 3363 3875
i I        105   73    9    9 2327 2839 3351 3863
j J        106   74   10   10 2340 2852 3364 3876
k K        107   75   11   11 2341 2853 3365 3877
l L        108   76   12   12 2342 2854 3366 3878
m M        109   77   13   13 2354 2866 3378 3890
n N        110   78   14   14 2353 2865 3377 3889
o O        111   79   15   15 2328 2840 3352 3864
p P        112   80   16   16 2329 2841 3353 3865
q Q        113   81   17   17 2320 2832 3344 3856
r R        114   82   18   18 2323 2835 3347 3859
s S        115   83   19   19 2335 2847 3359 3871
t T        116   84   20   20 2324 2836 3348 3860
u U        117   85   21   21 2326 2838 3350 3862
v V        118   86   22   22 2351 2863 3375 3887
w W        119   87   23   23 2321 2833 3345 3857
x X        120   88   24   24 2349 2861 3373 3885
y Y        121   89   25   25 2325 2837 3349 3861
z Z        122   90   26   26 2348 2860 3372 3884

Digits and Punctuation
key       norm shft ctrl  c+s  alt  s+a  c+a c+s+a
--------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
0 )         48   41           2433 2945 3457 3969
1 !         49   33           2424 2936 3448 3960
2 @         50   64 1283 1795 2425 2937 3449 3961
3 #         51   35           2426 2938 3450 3962
4 $         52   36           2427 2939 3451 3963
5 %         53   37           2428 2940 3452 3964
6 ^         54   94   30   30 2429 2941 3453 3965
7 &         55   38           2430 2942 3454 3966
8 *         56   42           2431 2943 3455 3967
9 (         57   40           2432 2944 3456 3968

Punctuation
key       norm shft ctrl  c+s  alt  s+a  c+a c+s+a
--------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
' "         39   34
` ~         96   126
, <         44   60
. >         46   62
/ ?         47   63
; :         59   58
- _         45   95   31   31 2434 2946 3458 3970
= +         61   43           2435 2947 3459 3971
[ {         91   123  27   27
\ |         92   124  28   28
] }         93   125  29   29

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After I've completed the log-on to one of my servers, and get my UNIX 
prompt, it's in reverse video.  I've made sure that both sides are 
talkinf the same terminal, and I have no funny things going on in 'set 
term color' etc... Doing <Alt +> seems to cure it, although on every 
second odd numbered sunday, programs like tin, and pine pop everything 
into reverse video again, sometimes with ANSI-type escape codes visible.

Any suggestions.  My system operators says it's my problem, not his.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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In article <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

> Ctrl-Space.
> SET KEY \1056 \Knull

1056? On my keyboard it's 1337! (IBM XT 84 keys, DOS 3.1, MS-Kermit 3.14).
And I just posted a list of all the scancodes... I guess it won't be very
useful then :-(

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: How to disable the ^] help display in MSK 3.14?
Date: 29 Jan 1996 16:57:44 -0700
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MSK 3.14 shows the help display of 1-letter commands immediately after
pressing ^]. The old version did this only after pressing ?. I like the old
behavior better. Is there a way to get it? If not, I guess this is a
feature request to the development team.

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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Subject: Re: Hangup modem within KERMIT
Date: 29 Jan 1996 16:46:52 -0700
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In article <4e4m7c$gdv@atlas.tncnet.com> MichaelManning <mgm29@wavenet.com> writes:

> Does anyone know how he can tell KERMIT to hang
> up the modem??

What the "hangup" ^]h command does is to drop DTR, which should force the
modem to also hangup. If this doesn't work, use the ATHANGUP macro from
MSKERMIT.INI which sends to the modem 
  <pause> +++ <pause> ATH0\13


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In article <om68duimit.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca>,
Vladimir Alexiev  <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>In article <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
>
>> Ctrl-Space.
>> SET KEY \1056 \Knull
>
>1056? On my keyboard it's 1337! (IBM XT 84 keys, DOS 3.1, MS-Kermit 3.14).
>And I just posted a list of all the scancodes... I guess it won't be very
>useful then :-(

My post was in response to a question about Kermit-95 not MS-DOS kermit.
No, they don't use the same scancodes for every key combination.







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Hello friends,
I have a real urgent question:

WHERE CAN I GET EXECUTABLES OF KERMIT
running under a) DOS and b) VMS (Server)

please help me soon !

many thanks,
felix

ps: my email-address is felix@ping.at




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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <4ehulg$3ab@peng.ping.at>,  <felix@ping.at> wrote:
>I have a real urgent question:
>
>WHERE CAN I GET EXECUTABLES OF KERMIT
>running under a) DOS and b) VMS (Server)
>
If you have a Web browser, point it at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

If not, anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu.

MS-DOS Kermit:

  kermit/archives/msvibm.zip (binary mode).

VMS C-Kermit:

  kermit/f/ckvaaa.hlp (text mode, read it and go from there)

Please also purchase the manuals for each version.  They
are available in both English and German language editions.

- Frank

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In article <ombunmin3u.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca>,
Vladimir Alexiev  <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:
: (Frank, if you think this is useful, feel free to put it in the
: distribution.) 
: 
: MSDOS C-Kermit 3.14 Keyboard ScanCodes for 88-keyboard (decimal).
: Please send additions (especially 101-keyboard codes) and corrections
: to vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca.  29 Jan 1996
: 
: key       norm shft ctrl  c+s  alt  s+a  c+a c+s+a
: --------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
: Space      313  825 1337 1849 2361 2873 3385 3897
: 
Thank you, Vladimir.  In fact, this table already appears in "Using
MS-DOS Kermit" (and its translations), and it is also online in the
archive as kermit/a/msvibm.key, dating from 1989.

- Frank

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I'm using a IBM PS2 model 80 which has a normal VGA-card connected to a
Digital 15" monitor. My problem is that I cannot get Kermit to show 132
character lines and I don't know where the problem is. Is there a
problem with my monitor or is it not possible to have 132 character
lines with a VGA card?

Tomas Linden
------------
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In article <4els51$g6n@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI>,
Tomas Linden <tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI> wrote:
>I'm using a IBM PS2 model 80 which has a normal VGA-card connected to a
>Digital 15" monitor. My problem is that I cannot get Kermit to show 132
>character lines and I don't know where the problem is. Is there a
>problem with my monitor or is it not possible to have 132 character
>lines with a VGA card?
>
Normally it is not possible -- it depends on the particular video
board.  See Section 12.5 of the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with version
3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for details.

In cases where the video adapter does not support 132-column text mode,
MS-DOS Kermit can simulate it (somewhat slowly) by going into graphics
mode, if you tell it to.  This is explained in the same place.

- Frank

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In article <om68duimit.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca>, Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:
> In article <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
> 
>> Ctrl-Space.
>> SET KEY \1056 \Knull
> 
> 1056? On my keyboard it's 1337! (IBM XT 84 keys, DOS 3.1, MS-Kermit 3.14).
> And I just posted a list of all the scancodes... I guess it won't be very
> useful then :-(
----------
	Whoa! MS-DOS Kermit deals with keyboards by reading what the Bios
reports. It does not have a canned list of every "scan code" in the program.
And it's not C Kermit but MS-DOS Kermit (no relation).
	You have just demonstrated the failure of the canned table approach,
and the success of the MS-DOS Kermit approach. Machines can and will differ.
	Joe D.

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From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair)
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Subject: "safe" set control prefixed values ?
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Is there a net.consensus for a good set of values to unprefix
when sending binary data over unknown networks?   

I'm trying this, and having difficulties.  Haven't sorted out the
variables yet.
 set con pref 0 1 3 13 17 19 129 141 145 147
-- 

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I have a Netcomm PCMCIA card modem installed in slot 2 of a Toshiba
T4700CT laptop and configured as com2. Windows 95 detects and
initialises the modem ok and Hyperterminal, the dial up networking 
and MS-Kermit 3.14 all work quite happily with it. K95 however
doesn't see it and keeps insisting that it "can't open connection: com2"
whenever I issue the "set port 2" command. Any suggestions?

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From: "JonScot R. Atwood" <atwood@cig.mot.com>
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Subject: kermit and binary ports
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I am using kermit to connect to a device that expects
binary data. However when I send the data to the device
it doesn't seem to get there. I have tried to connect
to the same device via a socket connection and it works
OK. However, I would like to connect via serial port.
This is the first time I have tried to use kermit in
this way.
I have tried the -i option
I have also tried the <ctrl> \X to send hex data
They don't seem to help

Is kermit the correct tool for talking to a device
that expects binary data?
Am I doing something wrong?

I am using kermit on a unix system
talking to a port /dev/portx

Please respond via email to atwood@cig.mot.com

Thank you for your help,
Jon Atwood

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In article <1996Jan30.090609.72706@cc.usu.edu>,
Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
: In article <om68duimit.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca>,
:  Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:
: >In article <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>
: > jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
: > 
: >> Ctrl-Space.
: >> SET KEY \1056 \Knull
: > 
: > 1056? On my keyboard it's 1337! (IBM XT 84 keys, DOS 3.1, MS-Kermit 3.14).
: > And I just posted a list of all the scancodes... I guess it won't be very
: > useful then :-(
: ----------
: 	Whoa! MS-DOS Kermit deals with keyboards by reading what the Bios
: reports. It does not have a canned list of every "scan code" in the
: program.  And it's not C Kermit but MS-DOS Kermit (no relation).
: 	You have just demonstrated the failure of the canned table
: approach, and the success of the MS-DOS Kermit approach. Machines can
: and will differ.
:       Joe D.
:
When we added full key mapping to Kermit 95, we were dismayed to learn
that the scan codes reported by Windows were not all the same as those
reported to MS-DOS Kermit by the PC BIOS, and we recognize the confusion
and inconvenience this is likely to cause.  But Joe is right -- there is
nothing to be done but swallow the pill.  Any attempt to build in a
detailed map of Windows scan codes to PC BIOS ones (to maintain
compatibility with MS-DOS Kermit) would be futile.  There are dozens,
probably hundreds of different national and special purpose keyboards in
the world, not to mention underlying BIOSes and drivers, and there is no
way for the software to know what is printed on each keytop of each kind
of keyboard.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <4em1ev$rg5@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair <rmshair@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Is there a net.consensus for a good set of values to unprefix
>when sending binary data over unknown networks?   
>
>I'm trying this, and having difficulties.  Haven't sorted out the
>variables yet.
> set con pref 0 1 3 13 17 19 129 141 145 147
>
Add 255 and maybe 127.  Perhaps also 14, 15, 16 (for PADs and the like).
Plus whatever is the escape character for any terminal servers you are
going through, such as ^^ (30) for Cisco.

See the ckermit.upd (ckcker.upd) and/or kermit.upd (mskerm.upd) files for
details.

- Frank

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In article <310E8F04.41C67EA6@cig.mot.com>,
JonScot R. Atwood <atwood@cig.mot.com> wrote:
: I am using kermit...
:
Which Kermit program?  Which version?  On what kind of
computer?  With what operating system?

: ... to connect to a device that expects
: binary data. However when I send the data to the device
: it doesn't seem to get there. I have tried to connect
: to the same device via a socket connection and it works
: OK.  However, I would like to connect via serial port.
: This is the first time I have tried to use kermit in
: this way.
: I have tried the -i option
: I have also tried the <ctrl> \X to send hex data
: They don't seem to help
: 
: Is kermit the correct tool for talking to a device
: that expects binary data?
:
: Am I doing something wrong?
: 
I am sure that if you picked up the manual, you would
easily figure out how to do what you want.  The method
depends on whether the device you are talking to supports
Kermit protocol, and the nature of the connection.  Is it
transparent?  Does it support any kind of flow control?
If so, what kind?  etc etc.  The final answer is yes,
Kermit is the tool you need, but it is not a simple tool
because so many people need to use it to do so many
different things, so you have to read about it.

Assuming you are talking about C-Kermit on UNIX, the
current version is 5A(190) and the manual is "Using
C-Kermit".

Details about each on our Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Terminal emulation in Kermit
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In article <4ebod9$mnm@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, billy@mix.com writes:
> Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> writes:
> 
>>          7      DECAWM         Autowrap       on             off
> 
> How about providing some means to lock this on (or off)?
> 
> Not that I don't have the same trouble with real DEC terminals
> getting their wrap mode zapped by various Unix systems or
> set terminal /inquire on DEC systems, but this would sure be
> a handy addition to MSK.
----------------
	Why not leave it as DEC intended?
	SET TERM/INQ doesn't zap it.
	Joe D.

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Subject: Re: How to disable the ^] help display in MSK 3.14?
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In article <om4tteimfb.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca>, Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:
> MSK 3.14 shows the help display of 1-letter commands immediately after
> pressing ^]. The old version did this only after pressing ?. I like the old
> behavior better. Is there a way to get it? If not, I guess this is a
> feature request to the development team.
------------
	The old approach is gone forever. Sorry.
	Joe D.

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I have a bidirectional port monitor running on /dev/term/a under Solaris 2.4
that dies when kermit connects on an outbound call.  Although kermit 
functions fine thereafter, users cannot subsequently dialin on the 
affected port.  Specifically, I see a cascade of messages in 
/var/saf/zsmon/log that an open on /dev/term/a has failed, and that 
ttymon is respawning too rapidly.  I see no such behavior if I, say, 
use tip to direct-dial the outbound call.

What exactly is happening in this case and what can I do to correct the 
problem?

Thank you.

Mark S. Petrovic
msp@sound.net



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Hello, I have been looking for a true Windows 3.x Kermit/Super Kermit protocol 
engine so I can use it with a Windows communication program? Also I'm 
wondering if there is a auto downloading trigger sequences so I can properly 
configures a Windows comm program that have 'smart' downloading feature.

Thank you very much!!

P.S. I've tried DOS version under Telix for DOS and it works so well over 
Telnet connections at quite fast pace.


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This may not actually be a kermit question, but here goes.  Recently I
installed linux on my pc.  On my university account I use the pine mailer.
Pine has a print to attached ansi printer command.  I have used this
successfully in dos/windows with mskermit.  When I try to print while
connected via C-Kermit in linux the text is just scrolled on the screen. 
"lpr filename" prints fine, so I know the printer is connected and setup. 
I thought it might be a problem with C-Kermit.  If it is please tell me
how I fix it.  Thank you


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We're getting a weird interaction between Kermit 3.13 and 3.14 and our 
newly installed Digital Unix 3.2C system.

First, if you telnet to the system, it spews out "Bad termcap entry" twice 
on the screen before giving you the "login:" prompt.  This happens no 
matter what kind of host or PC you're telnetting from.  When you log in, 
the "Bad termcap entry" message is repeated on login (I assume in the tset 
-I -Q) and the TERM variable is blank.  

Secondly, no matter how you connect to the machine, doing a more or a man 
causes the status line to be overwritten with more's prompt (usually an 
inverse video "stdin") each page.  I did a "set term debug", and Dig. Unix 
is addressing the 25th line, sure enough.  A "stty rows 24" doesn't fix 
the problem either, but a "stty rows 23" does.  

The "bad termcap entry" message really annoys me, the more thing at least 
has a workaround, but I still think that if Unix thinks your display is 24 
lines it shouldn't be writing to the 25th.

Does anyone know what's going on for the first problem, and possibly a 
more elegant workaround for the second?

--Mike


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Hi everyone,

We are running MS-Kermit to connect to our Micro-Vaxes running VMS.
Kermit is used to run ALL-IN-1 with the VMS WordPerfect 5.0 as the
default wordprocessor. I have the old ALLIN1.INI file that was
distributed with MS-Kermit 3.0.  It still works but I now have a new
problem:

    In MS-DOS:  We execute Kermit with the -F <INIFILE>.INI to connect
                to the Vax through TCP/IP. All works well, function
                keys A-OK!

    In Windows: We execute Kermit with the -f WIN<INIFILE>.INI to connect
                to the Vax through TCP/IP. The function keys do not
                work.  The terminalS (or whatever is is now...I don't
                remember) is all initialised already. BTW, Kermit is
                running in a smaller Window.

Did we miss something?  Where should I begin checking?

TIA

Robert


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Hi, 

  I was wondering whether anybody has had (good/bad) experiences with the
IBM Multimedia modem (using some Mwave DSP chip)?
It's supposed to do the hayes set, mnp5, v42bis and all that, but who knows.
I consider buying a 14.4 one hoping I could upgrade it to 28.8 at some point
but I'd like to knwo whether it likes C-kermit and vice versa.

Cheers!  Stefan


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In article <4eph9g$b3m@gaia.ns.utk.edu>,
Deutscher <sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> wrote:
>
>Hi, 
>
>  I was wondering whether anybody has had (good/bad) experiences with the
>IBM Multimedia modem (using some Mwave DSP chip)?
>It's supposed to do the hayes set, mnp5, v42bis and all that, but who knows.
>I consider buying a 14.4 one hoping I could upgrade it to 28.8 at some point
>but I'd like to knwo whether it likes C-kermit and vice versa.

I haven't used or seen the Multimedia Modem (PCMCIA).  But C-Kermit
works fine with the Mwave based modems built into the Thinkpad computers.
OS/2 handles PCMCIA devices really well, so my expectations is that
you would not have any difficulties.

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In article <4ekrfu$e0v@raffles.technet.sg>,
Robert Ong  <onglc@po.pacific.net.sg> wrote:
: We are running MS-Kermit ...
:
What version?  The current version is 3.14.

: ... to connect to our Micro-Vaxes running VMS.
: Kermit is used to run ALL-IN-1 with the VMS WordPerfect 5.0 as the
: default wordprocessor. I have the old ALLIN1.INI file that was
: distributed with MS-Kermit 3.0.  It still works but I now have a new
: problem:
: 
:     In MS-DOS:  We execute Kermit with the -F <INIFILE>.INI to connect
:                 to the Vax through TCP/IP. All works well, function
:                 keys A-OK!
: 
:     In Windows: We execute Kermit with the -f WIN<INIFILE>.INI to connect
:                 to the Vax through TCP/IP. The function keys do not
:                 work.  The terminalS (or whatever is is now...I don't
:                 remember) is all initialised already. BTW, Kermit is
:                 running in a smaller Window.
: 
: Did we miss something?  Where should I begin checking?
: 
Well, since you are using different initialization files in the two cases,
that is the most likely explanation for the different behavior.  There is
nothing about Windows that should affect MS-DOS Kermit's handling of
function keys.  If you are using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 with the new APC
mechanism to accomplish host-directed keymap switching -- as set up, for
example, in the latest WordPerfect Kermit INI files -- then make sure
your Kermit <INIFILE> says "set terminal apc on".

- Frank

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In article <swenzler.9.000D3331@zeus.jersey.net>,
Stephen Wenzler <swenzler@zeus.jersey.net> wrote:
: Hello, I have been looking for a true Windows 3.x Kermit/Super Kermit
: protocol...
: 
Please don't say "Super Kermit".  It's just Kermit.  Somebody somewhere
made up the term "Super Kermit" but it does not apply to anything.
All modern Columbia University Kermits are "super" in the sense that they
incorporates long packets AND sliding windows AND locking shifts AND
control-character unprefixing AND recovery, etc etc.

: ... engine so I can use it with a Windows communication program? Also I'm
: wondering if there is a auto downloading trigger sequences so I can
: properly configures a Windows comm program that have 'smart' downloading
: feature. I've tried DOS version under Telix for DOS and it works so well
: over Telnet connections at quite fast pace.
: 
Then you've already got what you need.  The latest version is 3.14 and
it works fine under DOS or Windows 3.x, and it is the only Kermit software
we recommend or support for Windows 3.x.

For autodownload, read section 10 of the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.

- Frank

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In article <4eo6v9$c8e@guitar.sound.net>,
Mark Petrovic <msp@echo.sound.net> wrote:
: I have a bidirectional port monitor running on /dev/term/a under Solaris
: 2.4 that dies when kermit connects on an outbound call.  Although kermit
: functions fine thereafter, users cannot subsequently dialin on the
: affected port.  Specifically, I see a cascade of messages in
: /var/saf/zsmon/log that an open on /dev/term/a has failed, and that
: ttymon is respawning too rapidly.  I see no such behavior if I, say, use
: tip to direct-dial the outbound call.
: 
: What exactly is happening in this case and what can I do to correct the 
: problem?
: 
Assuming you have C-Kermit 5A(190), which is the latest release for
Solaris, please read Section 3.7 of the ckuker.bwr file that comes with
C-Kermit.

- Frank

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In article <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest>,
Mike Richichi, Systems Manager <mrichich@forest.drew.edu> wrote:
: We're getting a weird interaction between Kermit 3.13 and 3.14 and our
: newly installed Digital Unix 3.2C system.
: 
: First, if you telnet to the system, it spews out "Bad termcap entry"
: twice on the screen before giving you the "login:" prompt.  This happens
: no matter what kind of host or PC you're telnetting from.  When you log
: in, the "Bad termcap entry" message is repeated on login (I assume in
: the tset -I -Q) and the TERM variable is blank.
: 
When you TELNET from Kermit, Kermit negotiates the ability to send its
terminal type to the Telnet server, and then if the Telnet server asks
for the terminal type, Kermit sends it.  Kermit's default terminal type is
VT320.  Some systems don't have a termcap entry for VT320.  So either
change Kermit's terminal type or add a VT320 termcap entry.

You can also instruct Kermit to "lie" about its terminal type by using the
"set telnet term-type" command.

: Secondly, no matter how you connect to the machine, doing a more or a
: man causes the status line to be overwritten with more's prompt (usually
: an inverse video "stdin") each page.  I did a "set term debug", and
: Dig. Unix is addressing the 25th line, sure enough.  A "stty rows 24"
: doesn't fix the problem either, but a "stty rows 23" does.
: 
This is a new feature of Digital UNIX, and it is a strange one considering
Digital is also the original designer and maker of the VT terminal series.
Of course all that is long forgotten.  They think you are using a xterm
or something.

: The "bad termcap entry" message really annoys me, the more thing at
: least has a workaround, but I still think that if Unix thinks your
: display is 24 lines it shouldn't be writing to the 25th.
: 
Exactly.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Printing with C-kermit
Date: 1 Feb 1996 15:54:54 GMT
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In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960131150517.1435A-100000@bingsun2-gw>,
 <br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu> wrote:
>This may not actually be a kermit question, but here goes.  Recently I
>installed linux on my pc.  On my university account I use the pine mailer.
>Pine has a print to attached ansi printer command.  I have used this
>successfully in dos/windows with mskermit.  When I try to print while
>connected via C-Kermit in linux the text is just scrolled on the screen. 
>"lpr filename" prints fine, so I know the printer is connected and setup. 
>I thought it might be a problem with C-Kermit.  If it is please tell me
>how I fix it.  Thank you
>
UNIX (including Linux) C-Kermit does not include a terminal emulator.
The terminal emulation is being done by your console window, xterm window,
or whatever other kind of window you are running Kermit in.  Evidently it
does not support the printer-related escape sequences.  Maybe you can find
another VT emulation window for Linux that does.

The way to fix it in Kermit is a bit complicated.  Off the top of my head,
without any debugging or testing (which I'll leave to you):

 1. Make sure you have C-Kermit 5A(190), which is the current version.
    Make sure there is also a copy of it on the same computer that
    Pine is running on.

 2. Tell your copy of Kermit (perhaps in your init file) to
    "set terminal apc on" (without the quotes).

 3. I think (but I'm not sure) that Pine lets you configure the command
    to use for printing.  Then it would be:

      kermit -C "apc server, remote print xxx, finish"

    (WITH the quotes), where xxx is the filename.

Hmmm...  There is a flaw in this, namely that it's not a file, but a
message, and is probably being piped through standard i/o.  But there is
no way to tell C-Kermit's "remote print" command to read from standard
input.  So if you could configure Pine to give a series of commands like
this for printing:

      <save the message to temp file xxx>
      kermit -C "apc server, remote print xxx, finish"
      <delete temp file xxx>

this should achieve the desired effect.

- Frank

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From: "Joseph B. Gill" <gilljb@gmis.com>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Help dialing into UNIX (Sun OS)
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Hello,

Has anyone been successful dialing into a Sun OS system?  I'v been trying with mixed result.  
I've tried the example in the USING C-KERMIT
manual with;

	set terminal byte 7
	set command byte 7
	set parity none
	set handshake none
	set flow xon/xoff
	set case on

I can connect to the UNIX machine and I get to the login prompt
and enter my username but at that point it just waits at the Password:
prompt.

Any help would be greatly appriciated.

Thanks,

Joe Gill
E-mail: gilljb@gmis.com


DEFINE \%p T,       ; Dialing prefix - my modem requires the T as in ATDT comment               
DEFINE \%p T9,
DEFINE \%n 5551212 ; ISP dial-in number - Phl
DEFINE \%m HAYES       ; Modem type
DEFINE \%l LTA4:       ; Serial line 
DEFINE \%u myusername  ; Username
DEFINE \%x mypassword  ; Password
set modem \%m
set line \%l
set speed 2400
set terminal byte 7
set command byte 7
set handshake none
set flow xon/xoff
:Redial
set dial display on
set dial speed-matching on
set case on
dial \%p\%n
input 10 wanda login:                    ; Wait for login prompt from FishNet 
if success goto dologin
hangup
pause 10
goto Redial
:dologin
output \%u\13                         ; Send user id
input 5 Password:                     ; Get password prompt if fail goto dologin
output \%x\13                         ; Send password 
define \%x junk                       ; Erase password pause 5
output who\13
output ls\13
output logout\13
pause 2
hangup
exit

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help dialing into UNIX (Sun OS)
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In article <3110C8A5.6527@gmis.com>, Joseph B. Gill <gilljb@gmis.com> wrote:
: Has anyone been successful dialing into a Sun OS system?  I'v been
: trying with mixed result.  I've tried the example in the USING C-KERMIT
: manual with;
: ...
: I can connect to the UNIX machine and I get to the login prompt
: and enter my username but at that point it just waits at the Password:
: prompt.
: ...
: dial \%p\%n
:
First of all, you should have an IF SUCCESS or IF FAILURE command here,
in case the call was not successful.

: input 10 wanda login:             ; Wait for login prompt from FishNet 
: ...
: output \%u\13                     ; Send user id
: input 5 Password:                 ; Get password prompt if fail goto dologin
: 
You also need an IF SUCCESS or IF FAILURE command here, to catch the case
where the Password: prompt does not arrive in time.

If it succeeds, you should wait a second before sending the password.
UNIX flushes its typeahead buffer after issuing the Password: prompt but
before reading the password (as a security measure), and so if you send
the password too soon, it might be decapitated or lost.  So insert:

  pause 1

here.

: output \%x\13                     ; Send password 
: define \%x junk                   ; Erase password pause 5

That should do it.

- Frank

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From: erich@microsoft.com (erich)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: k95 crashes on NT "Shell Update Release"
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On x86 NT build 1234 (the so-called "Shell Update Release" beta), when
I run Kermit 95 it dies immediately -- and doesn't give a particularly
helpful stack trace, either :-(

Here's all I know:
E:\k95>cdb -g k95

Microsoft(R) Windows NT Debugger Version 3.51
(C) 1991-1995 Microsoft Corp.

CommandLine: k95
Symbol search path is: E:\1181FRE.WKS
Executing E:\k95\k95.ini for WIN32...
?No files match - E:/k95/PHONES/ckermit.kdd
?No files match - E:/k95/PHONES/ckermit.knd
Good Evening, smile!
NTSD: exception number c0000008
NTSD: exception number c0000008
NTSD: !!! second chance !!!
eax=c0000008 ebx=00000001 ecx=00002c01 edx=ffffffff esi=00000000 edi=000000d4
eip=77f74488 esp=0012fee8 ebp=0012ff38 iopl=0       nv up ei pl nz na po nc
cs=001b  ss=0023  ds=0023  es=0023  fs=0038  gs=0000 efl=00000206
ss:0023:0012fee8=c0000008
*** WARNING: symbols checksum is wrong 0x00062261 0x0005e382 for e:\1181fre.wks\symbols\dll\ntdll.dbg
77f74488 8b0424           mov     eax,[esp]
0:000> *** WARNING: symbols checksum is wrong 0x0005da38 0x00069b58 for e:\1181fre.wks\symbols\dll\kernel32.dbg
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for !KiRaiseUserExceptionDispatcher+0x38:
ChildEBP RetAddr
0012ff38 77f67a2f ntdll!KiRaiseUserExceptionDispatcher+0x38
0012ffc0 77f1badd ntdll!ZwClose+0xb
0012ff60 004016c4 kernel32!BaseProcessStart+0x40
0012ff80 0046e437 0x4016c4
0012ffc0 77f1badd 0x46e437
0012fff0 00000000 kernel32!BaseProcessStart+0x40
0:000> quit:

E:\k95>
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Eric Hanchrow -- erich@microsoft.com
pgp fingerprint: c6 c7 de 59 1d e3 95 44  bc 40 25 61 af b1 90 b7

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: k95 crashes on NT "Shell Update Release"
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In article <20ofwwcx.fsf@ERICH4.microsoft.com>,
erich <erich@microsoft.com> wrote:
>On x86 NT build 1234 (the so-called "Shell Update Release" beta), when
>I run Kermit 95 it dies immediately -- and doesn't give a particularly
>helpful stack trace, either :-(

Excuse me.  But when you refer to "Shell Update Release" beta, are you
referring to the Shell Update that was placed on the Internet and 
The Developer's Network CD last August?

If so, I would strongly suggest you remove it and apply Service Pack 3
before reapplying it.  



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
               * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
  C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html
  Kermit 95 for Windows 95 :   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Steve Cosner (stevec@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU) wrote:

: My home setup requires me to connect to a Sun Unix server.  K3.1 works
: pretty well except backspace won't delete backwards.  I know I can
: redefine the backspace key, but is there a standard setup somewhere
: for this type of connection?

I connect to a SunOS 4.1.3 system with Kermit of various flavors.
MSKermit 3.14, Unix C-Kermit 190, Kermit-95 1.2
My choice is to map the backspace key, although I could have done an stty on
the UNIX side to accomplish the same task.  I also map the function keys
that exist on my PC keyboard, although they don't exist on a real vt100, and
therefore don't exist in the default Kermit-vt100.

>From my mskermit.ini (for MSKermit 3.14, if that matters (?))

define UKEY1 set key clear,set key \270 \008,set key \782 \008; BackSpace
do UKEY1

; to match (ESIX 4.0.4) vt100 extended function keys to PC keyboard.
;			f5		f6		f7			f8			f9		f10
define UKEY2 set key \319 \27Ot, set key \320 \27Ou, set key \321 \027Ov, set key \322 \027Ol, set key \323 \027Ow, set key \324 \027Ox
do UKEY2
;

-- 
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   I have an svga card but only have a vga monitor, so I have
only been able to use vga tek/vt340 graphics. It seems
that if the allowable <= 256 colors are defined at the beginning
of a sixel file they are mapped to the 16 predefined colors.
As is the case with ega resolution. I believe this would also be
the case for vesa? I have been able to convert gifs to sixel files
using portable bit map utilities. If the images use simple colors
they are fine but photographs using many and subtle colors are not
rendered well in sixteen colors. I can dither the images but the
results are not great. ~ 800 x 600 and only 16 colors - is this
correct? 
                                               Thanks 
                                               cmosley

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Hey! Is there a true Windows 3.x version of kermit at work so I may able to 
use it as a protocol engine for Windows communication program since I tried
to use MS Kermit but it won't work since Windows flashed warning message that 
it can't let one program share the same com port also I tried to turn off
the warning and it didn't work at all!


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest>, mrichich@forest.drew.edu (Mike Richichi, Systems Manager) writes:
> We're getting a weird interaction between Kermit 3.13 and 3.14 and our 
> newly installed Digital Unix 3.2C system.
> 
> First, if you telnet to the system, it spews out "Bad termcap entry" twice 
> on the screen before giving you the "login:" prompt.  This happens no 
> matter what kind of host or PC you're telnetting from.  When you log in, 
> the "Bad termcap entry" message is repeated on login (I assume in the tset 
> -I -Q) and the TERM variable is blank.  

	Appears to be a bad termcap/terminfo system. You can see what
MSK sends to the host if asked to identify a terminal type, by SET TCP
DEBUG ON. It's nominally the string  VT320  in upper case. With MSK 3.14
you can change that with SET TCP TERM-TYPE string. Best to fix the Unix box.
 
> Secondly, no matter how you connect to the machine, doing a more or a man 
> causes the status line to be overwritten with more's prompt (usually an 
> inverse video "stdin") each page.  I did a "set term debug", and Dig. Unix 
> is addressing the 25th line, sure enough.  A "stty rows 24" doesn't fix 
> the problem either, but a "stty rows 23" does.  

	It's the TERM item again. Apparently your machine has DECterm on
the brain, the X window system thingy, and DEC broke emulation of the real
hardware in providing 25 line support.
	My UnixWare machine has none of these problems.
	Joe D.

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In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960201074044.28956B-100000@bingsun2-gw>,
 <br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu> wrote:
>I connect via modem to my suns account using C-Kermit on Debian-Linux.  
>The mail reader I use is Pine. Pine has the ability to print my mail on 
>the printer attached to my pc at home.  I have done this hundreds of 
>times with mskermit in dos/windows.  This is not working in linux, with 
>c-kermit.   When I issue the print command in pine the  text is scrolled 
>across the screen, but is not sent to the printer.  lpr filename works 
>fine so,  I believe the printer is setup correctly.  Does anyone have 
>any suggestion on how to make the "print to attached ansi" capabilty 
>work in this setup.  Thank you    
>

What's happening is that pine is sending the "Start Printing on
Attached Printer" command, your mail, then the "Stop Printing on
Attached Printer" command.  These commands are defined to the terminal
or emulator.  MS-Kermit includes terminal emulation, whereas C-Kermit
does not--it depends on the terminal support of either the Linux
console device, or your Xterm, or whatever you are using for your
Linux login session.

For example, I could use a real terminal connected to a serial port
(modem or direct connect) to my Linux box, dial from there into a
site, say my Sun at work, and ask pine to print my mail.  C-Kermit
would pass the printing commands transparently and my mail would print
on the printer attached to my terminal, not the printer attached to my
Linux box.  This is how it's supposed to work; I know it's not what you're
asking for.

I looked though the C-Kermit book [Using C-Kermit by Frank da Cruz and
Christine M. Gianone, Digital Press, ISBN 1-55558-108-0], and I didn't
find anything much more than that.  The only thing I can think of off
the top of my head is saving the mail to a file, downloading it, and
printing it, or turning on the session log, telling pine to print it,
turning off the session log, editing the log, etc.  None of these
strike me as particularly nice.  I've added comp.protocols.kermit.misc
to the newsgroup line, so more knowledgeable parties can help out.

David. 


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 character lines?
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In article <4els51$g6n@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI>, tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) writes:
> I'm using a IBM PS2 model 80 which has a normal VGA-card connected to a
> Digital 15" monitor. My problem is that I cannot get Kermit to show 132
> character lines and I don't know where the problem is. Is there a
> problem with my monitor or is it not possible to have 132 character
> lines with a VGA card?
--------
	It's your IBM display adapter. If you check its docs I think you
will find no mention of 132 column modes. You can replace the board cheaply
these days, or you can use the horizontal scrolling capability of MS-DOS
Kermit v3.14 (described in the release notes, keyboard verbs \Klfpage,
\Klfone, \Krtpage, \Krtone). SET TERM HORIZONTAL-SCROLL is available too.
	Joe D.

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I'm doing sumthin stoopid...

I want a neat way of logging on to a VAX from a PC

I have a nice PC program that prompts for Username & password

then I have a batch file: X.BAT which says
kermit -f myfile.ini,define \%%1 %1, define \%%2 %2

in myfile.ini I have:
input 10 Username:
output \%1\13
input 5 Password:
output \%2\13

I then say:
X BLOGGS SECRET

and it falls over with nothing being output.

is what I'm doing even a proper way of logging on ?

Eoin Bairéad
Dublin, Ireland


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From: mrichich@forest.drew.edu (Mike Richichi, Systems Manager)
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Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and Digital Unix 3.2 coexistence
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In article <4eqn1p$gv0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest>,
> Mike Richichi, Systems Manager <mrichich@forest.drew.edu> wrote:
> When you TELNET from Kermit, Kermit negotiates the ability to send its
> terminal type to the Telnet server, and then if the Telnet server asks
> for the terminal type, Kermit sends it.  Kermit's default terminal type is
> VT320.  Some systems don't have a termcap entry for VT320.  So either
> change Kermit's terminal type or add a VT320 termcap entry.
> 
> You can also instruct Kermit to "lie" about its terminal type by using the
> "set telnet term-type" command.

This I fixed by modifying the termcap file on the Unix system.

> [discussion about Digital UNIX more writing explicitly to the 25th line 
> deleted]
>
> This is a new feature of Digital UNIX, and it is a strange one considering
> Digital is also the original designer and maker of the VT terminal series.
> Of course all that is long forgotten.  They think you are using a xterm
> or something.
> 
> : The "bad termcap entry" message really annoys me, the more thing at
> : least has a workaround, but I still think that if Unix thinks your
> : display is 24 lines it shouldn't be writing to the 25th.
> : 
> Exactly.
> 
> - Frank

Well, it's a crappy feature, and a version of more from OSF/1 2.0 seems to 
fix it rather nicely...  I think I will report it to Digital as a bug.  If 
I tell you my terminal is 24 lines, I'm not telling you that so you can 
try writing to the 25th line.  Duh.

--Mike


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From: ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead)
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hi

I have a (DOS) .INI file which allows a user log on to a mainframe (a 
VAX) and automatically run a procedure which transfers a file down to the 
PC. 

I'd like to know the optimal PIF settings to run the task in Windows, 
preferably NOT as a maximised window.

And while we're at it - is there a NEAT way of getting user response in a 
Windows environment, for things like passwords & usernames.


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From: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby)
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I am running a copy of MS-DOS Kermit which identifies itself as "3.14
18 Jan 1995 patch level 0" on a Dell 486SX/25 in a Windows 3.1 DOS
window. I am running a copy of OS/2 "C-Kermit 5A(191), 24 Apr 95" on a
ThinkPad 755CE (486DX/100) under OS/2 Warp 3.0. Between these two is a
serial cable which came with the FastLynx software package (and with
which I have never had any trouble.

What I would like to do is to put the MS-Kermit into "server" mode,
and conduct all of the operations from the OS/2 session. For the most
part, this seems to work. However, I have noticed that when I attempt
to send large binary (.ZIP) files from the OS/2 to the DOS version,
after just a (smallish) portion of the file is transferred (with a
"put" command), the transfer is halted with messages to the effect
that I have aborted the transfer with a Ctrl-C. Nothing could be
further from the truth. Yesterday, I attempted such a transfer several
times with identical results. Today, I attempted such a transfer with
a different file, again with these results.

I have discovered a workaround. When I give up "server" mode on the
DOS kermit and use "REC" there and "SEND" on the OS/2 side, the
transfer goes to completion normally, and all is well.

I'd appreciate being told what I am doing wrong, where I can get a
fixed version of whichever Kermit is acting up, or any other helpful
suggestions or questions.

Thanks! Ron.



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From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford)
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In article <4erosl$9mr@sun001.spd.dsccc.com>,
    jmccarty@spd.dsccc.com (Mike McCarty) writes:
>
>>)Axel Schneider (schneid2@zeus.informatik.uni-bonn.de) wrote:
>):
>): I am looking for a terminal program, that is suitable for an XT
>): IMB-compatible PC, can run under DOS 3.0 and fits on a 360kB Floppy
>): Disk (no harddisk available). 
>
> Kermit is okay if all you ever want to do is pretend to be a terminal.
> But if you want to do general communications, it is terrible. File
> down/upload are quite slow.

Monty Python's Flying Circus once did a sketch about Flying Sheep.

One character observed, "Notice that they do not so much fly as plummet."

The old farmer leaned on his fence and explained, "Sheep are dim.
Once they get an idea into their heads, there's no shifting it."

A similar case has arisen with popular opinion concerning the Kermit
file-transfer protocol.  

Unless you are a sheep (or a technical writer for a modem vendor),
remember this:  If you use Kermit correctly, it ain't necessarily slow.

With a correctly done implementations of the modern Kermit protocol in
place on BOTH ends of the connection, with both client and server
given appropriate setup commands, Kermit transfers can be as fast as
your modem will run.

Three things contribute to the misconception:

(1) Many host-system administrators have failed to install a new version
    of Kermit on their systems in the last 10 years.  The older programs
    may not have support for long packets and sliding windows--the modern
    protocol features which increase speed.

(2) The default tuning parameters are conservative, in the sense of wanting
    to make certain that SOME data transfer happens, even if slowly, despite
    possibly hostile communication conditions.  Whereas other popular
    protocols take the attitude, "If I can't go fast, I won't go at all."

(3) The instruction books for most new modems assert, with no reasons
    given, that "Kermit is slow".  The writers, we assume, are not aware
    of issues (1) and (2).

I'm typing this using MS-Kermit 3.14, the most recent Kermit program
by Joe Doupnik for MS-DOS. It performs an excellent emulation of a DEC
VT320 terminal and performs the Kermit file-transfer protocol with the
speed-enhancing long packets, sliding windows, and prefix control. (And
it fits on a floppy disk.)

The latest C-Kermit program, by many authors, is available for many
systems, including those running UNIX, VMS, AOS/VS, OS/2, or Stratus
VOS, and also implements those features.

The World Wide Web site for Kermit is entered by this URL:

    http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

and performance issues are discussed in this section:

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Christopher Mosley (cmosley@voicenet.com) wrote:
:    I have an svga card but only have a vga monitor, so I have
: only been able to use vga tek/vt340 graphics. It seems
: that if the allowable <= 256 colors are defined at the beginning
: of a sixel file they are mapped to the 16 predefined colors.
: As is the case with ega resolution. I believe this would also be
: the case for vesa? I have been able to convert gifs to sixel files
: using portable bit map utilities. If the images use simple colors
: they are fine but photographs using many and subtle colors are not
: rendered well in sixteen colors. I can dither the images but the
: results are not great. ~ 800 x 600 and only 16 colors - is this
: correct? 
:                                                Thanks 
:                                                cmosley

p.s. In msdos dos kermit: Does HLP have the same 16 color
constraint as RGB, if not would anyone know how to convert
sixel RGB to sixel HLS? What vga mode is selected when
set term graphics vga is used? I would think the one with 256 
colors - even though cga colors are used.   
                                                 thanks again
                                                 cmosley  



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From: Patrick Chan Woon Yeung <pchan@asl.com.hk>
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Subject: Kermit : Problem on Solaris 2.4
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Hi

When I start the C-Kermit on Solaris 2.4, I'd got the error message :

C-Kermit>set line /dev/cua/b
/dev/cua/b: Permission denied
Sorry, access to device denied: /dev/cua/b

However I can use the tip command to access this serial port.
Is there any configuration such that I can use the C-Kermit without changing the permission?

Thanks for any help.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Is sixel vesa 16 colors?
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In article <4ergge$leo@omni2.voicenet.com>, cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) writes:
>    I have an svga card but only have a vga monitor, so I have
> only been able to use vga tek/vt340 graphics. It seems
> that if the allowable <= 256 colors are defined at the beginning
> of a sixel file they are mapped to the 16 predefined colors.
> As is the case with ega resolution. I believe this would also be
> the case for vesa? I have been able to convert gifs to sixel files
> using portable bit map utilities. If the images use simple colors
> they are fine but photographs using many and subtle colors are not
> rendered well in sixteen colors. I can dither the images but the
> results are not great. ~ 800 x 600 and only 16 colors - is this
> correct? 
------------
	Sixel goes back in history further than PCs. In principle
there is a palette of 256 colors to choose from, and 16 active on
any screen. The DEC docs are vague whether one can, in fact, obtain 
more than 16 colors at once, but I have in inkling a VT340 might (no
DEC color terminals here to find out). MS-DOS Kermit will not tinker 
with the palette registers of your display adapter, since they cannot
always be restored properly due to broken video boards and because
the screen may be shared, and it won't be sucked into the morasse of 
vendor-specific display maps and controller details. Thus MSK uses the
fundamental 16 colors of EGA and VGA et seq display adapters.
	VESA has some nice standards, and vendors support some and
ignore other features as they wish, per board. Many boards have VESA
support only by loading a TSR Bios extender, even in this day and age.
That means MSK is not going to charge into the VESA arena hoping that
will be the way to fly because often it won't fly at all yet MSK will
be expected to "do the right thing" with components available. In short,
I'd prefer not to add more noticable bulk to the program to deal with
complicated yet limited appeal situations. You can sense my bias that a
"photograph" on PC display adapters is something of a crude joke unless
one has a high end adapter, monitor, and the software to exploit both
to the hilt.
        Joe D.

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From: clithero@u.washington.edu (Peter Clitherow)
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I have a friend who has a 5-6 year old laptop running DOS 5.0; he's
looking for a compatable version of kermit - something that runs on a 286
generation PC.

anyone have any pointers?  i don't know much about the PC world, so i'd
appreciate any leads.  i don't suppose current versions would work on a
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TIA, p

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In article <clithero-0302961943470001@cs113-2.u.washington.edu>,
Peter Clitherow <clithero@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>anyone have any pointers?  i don't know much about the PC world, so i'd
>appreciate any leads.  i don't suppose current versions would work on a
>machine that old...

Actually, 3.14 (the current PC version) runs quite well on machines even
older than that...

Marshall
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In article <4f1fhn$8re@panix.com>, mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) wrote:

>In article <clithero-0302961943470001@cs113-2.u.washington.edu>,
>Peter Clitherow <clithero@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>anyone have any pointers?  i don't know much about the PC world, so i'd
>>appreciate any leads.  i don't suppose current versions would work on a
>>machine that old...
>
>Actually, 3.14 (the current PC version) runs quite well on machines even
>older than that...

    Quite so.  Up until about 6 months ago, I was using 3.14 on an 8088
    laptop that has no hard drive...

                                        Jeff

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Has anyone else had problems getting their sound card to work while 
running Kermit 3.13 under Windows 95?  Whenever I run an app that uses 
audio at the same time Kermit is running, the OS tells me another 
application is busy with the audio.

Tom Beerley
tbeerley@daniel.drew.edu


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From: Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com>
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I am using a US Robotics External 28.8 Data/Fax Modem on Com Port 2 with 
Kermit.  The US Robotics manual states that I have to set the Serail Port 
(Baud) rate to either 115.2K or 57.6K bps.  

Question:
How can you set the Serail Port (Baud) rate in kermit?  Note, I believe 
SET BAUD or SET SPEED sets the transmission speed over the phone line and 
not the speed between the modem and the PC.  Is this a correct statement?

Thanks in advance,
Rich Godlewsky
Sparta Systems, Inc.
76412.156@compuserve.com


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From: Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com>
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Subject: Set Port - Modem Communication Problems
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I am using kermit to connect to an external modem (i.e., US Robotics 28.8 
Data/Fax Sportster external modem).  This modem is connected to com 2 of 
my PC (running Windows 3.11 & Dos 6.0).

When I issue a "SET PORT 2" command I get the following warning:

?Warning: unknown hardware for port.  Using the Bios as BIOS2


I found out through trail and error that I can not talk to the modem 
until I issue an AT command and another "SET PORT 2" command.  

Question:
Is there a way to tell Kermit what Modem I am using prior to issuing a 
Port command or why do I need to issue a port command twice?


Thanks in advance,
Rich Godlewsky
Sparta Systems, Inc.
76412.156@compuserve.com


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I have a US Robotics 28.8 Data/Fax External Sportster Modem 
connected to my PC on Com Port 2.  When I try to issue a "SET 
PORT 2" command I obtain the following warning message:

?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS2

The only command I can Issue to the modem after this warning with 
out getting a modem not responding is an AT command.  If after 
issuing an AT command I issue another Set Port 2 command I do not 
get the prior warning message and I can send any AT command to 
the modem.  Does anyone know what I am doing wrong or what I 
should do before issuing the first AT command?

Thanks in advance,
Rich Godlewsky
Sparta Systems, Inc.
76412.156@compuserve.com

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From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM>
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I have a US Robotics 28.8 Sportster External Modem which states 
that I need to set the Serail Port (Baud) rate to either 115.2k 
or 57.6k bps.  How can I do this in kermit or is this something 
that I need to do in autoexec.bat, config.sys, or the Windows 
Control Panel's PORT setting?

Related Question:
Does SET SPEED and SET BAUD set the speed between modems and not 
the serail port rate (i.e., the speed between PC and modem)?

Thanks in advance,
Rich Godlewsky
Sparta Systems, Inc.
76412.156@compuserve.com

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From: tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden)
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Is there any driver for the graphics adapter 8514/A to use with the
Tektronix 4010 mode of MSKERMIT? Looking at the MSKERMIT documentation
there does not to be a such thing. Giving the command SET TERMINAL
GRAPHICS AUTO-SENSING gives me only the 640 * 480 VGA graphics mode
instead of the 1024 * 768 resolution supported by the 8514/A. Since some
SVGA cards are supported it seems strange that the 8514/A is not.

Tomas Linden
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In article <4f3fj8$gvg@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI>, tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) writes:
> Is there any driver for the graphics adapter 8514/A to use with the
> Tektronix 4010 mode of MSKERMIT? Looking at the MSKERMIT documentation
> there does not to be a such thing. Giving the command SET TERMINAL
> GRAPHICS AUTO-SENSING gives me only the 640 * 480 VGA graphics mode
> instead of the 1024 * 768 resolution supported by the 8514/A. Since some
> SVGA cards are supported it seems strange that the 8514/A is not.
---------
	No, that board is not supported for graphics work. I have no
such board here, no Microchannel equipment, and no documentation on
the board.
	Joe D.

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  Hello. I encountered the following problem: When I  ran kermit and screen
  programs simulteneously, kermit refuses  to transmit files and just gives
  me error messages  in the  form of  TNNNTNNN  or something like  that. If
  anyone knows what causes it and/or what I can do about it, please contact
  me. Thank you for your time.
  
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Setting Kermit's Serial Port (baud) rate
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In article <4f2lkv$j0i@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> writes:
> I am using a US Robotics External 28.8 Data/Fax Modem on Com Port 2 with 
> Kermit.  The US Robotics manual states that I have to set the Serail Port 
> (Baud) rate to either 115.2K or 57.6K bps.  
> 
> Question:
> How can you set the Serail Port (Baud) rate in kermit?  Note, I believe 
> SET BAUD or SET SPEED sets the transmission speed over the phone line and 
> not the speed between the modem and the PC.  Is this a correct statement?
--------
	Wrong statement, backwards. Only the modems themselves set the 
telco line rate. They typically negotiate it, as you can sense by listening 
to them hiss and whistle to each other. Please do read the manual for your
modem.
	Also, please review the release documentation for MS-DOS Kermit
which talks extensively about what's a COM port and typical problems.
Remember, COMx does NOT MEAN a particular IRQ and port number.
        Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Setting Serial Port Speed
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In article <4f2s9o$1u0$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes:
> I have a US Robotics 28.8 Sportster External Modem which states 
> that I need to set the Serail Port (Baud) rate to either 115.2k 
> or 57.6k bps.  How can I do this in kermit or is this something 
> that I need to do in autoexec.bat, config.sys, or the Windows 
> Control Panel's PORT setting?
> 
> Related Question:
> Does SET SPEED and SET BAUD set the speed between modems and not 
> the serail port rate (i.e., the speed between PC and modem)?
---------
	Replying to the n-th version of this message.
	Are you running under Windows? If so Windows grabs the serial
port and can produce this effect; complaints to Mr. Gates & Co. So can 
competing comms programs such as a FAX program. You'll have to poke about
the machine to see what such competition might be.
	There is a fine book on MS-DOS Kermit which talks about these
technical matters in every day terms. It's shown on the Kermit HELP screens.
Please consider purchasing a copy.
	Joe D. 

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit : Problem on Solaris 2.4
Date: 5 Feb 1996 16:54:03 GMT
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In article <3111EAB7.5A32@asl.com.hk>,
Patrick Chan Woon Yeung  <pchan@asl.com.hk> wrote:
>When I start the C-Kermit on Solaris 2.4, I'd got the error message :
>
>C-Kermit>set line /dev/cua/b
>/dev/cua/b: Permission denied
>Sorry, access to device denied: /dev/cua/b
>
>However I can use the tip command to access this serial port.
>Is there any configuration such that I can use the C-Kermit without
>changing the permission?
>
No, you have to change the permission either of Kermit or of the port
and/or lockfile directory, and/or coordinate group and/or user IDs to
allow access to the port & lockfiles with their current permissions, just
like any other UNIX communications program, including tip itself.  This is
spelled out clearly in the installation instructions in the manual and
also in the accompanying file, ckuins.doc.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: PIF settings for kermit 3.14
Date: 5 Feb 1996 16:59:06 GMT
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In article <4etbap$cas@news.Ieunet.ie>,
Eoin Bairead <ebairead@login.ieunet.ie> wrote:
: I have a (DOS) .INI file which allows a user log on to a mainframe (a
: VAX) and automatically run a procedure which transfers a file down to
: the PC. I'd like to know the optimal PIF settings to run the task in
: Windows, preferably NOT as a maximised window.
: 
Look on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (current version) diskette.  In the
WINDOWS subdirectory you'll find a KERMIT.PIF file.

: And while we're at it - is there a NEAT way of getting user response in
: a Windows environment, for things like passwords & usernames.
: 
Read about the ASK and ASKQ commands in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit".

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: What am I doing wrong !!
Date: 5 Feb 1996 17:04:15 GMT
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In article <4ethdv$et8@news.Ieunet.ie>,
Eoin Bairead <ebairead@login.ieunet.ie> wrote:
: I'm doing sumthin stoopid...
: 
: I want a neat way of logging on to a VAX from a PC
: 
: I have a nice PC program that prompts for Username & password
: 
: then I have a batch file: X.BAT which says
: kermit -f myfile.ini,define \%%1 %1, define \%%2 %2
: 
: in myfile.ini I have:
: input 10 Username:
: output \%1\13
: input 5 Password:
: output \%2\13
: 
: I then say:
: X BLOGGS SECRET
: 
: and it falls over with nothing being output.
: 
Sounds like you need a manual.  "Using MS-DOS Kermit" explains all
you need to know to do exactly what you are trying to do; in particular,
how to pass parameters, and their scope and lifetime.

Try this:

: kermit -f myfile.ini,define \%%u %1, define \%%p %2
: 
: in myfile.ini I have:
: input 10 Username:
: output \%u\13
: input 5 Password:
: output \%p\13
: 
And yes, there are more elegant ways to do it.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Ctrl-C Seen Where No Ctrl-C Entered
Date: 5 Feb 1996 17:13:27 GMT
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In article <4eue8l$o8t@Jupiter.mcs.net>,
Ron Heiby <heiby@falkor.chi.il.us> wrote:
: I am running a copy of MS-DOS Kermit which identifies itself as "3.14
: 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0" on a Dell 486SX/25 in a Windows 3.1 DOS
: window. I am running a copy of OS/2 "C-Kermit 5A(191), 24 Apr 95" on a
: ThinkPad 755CE (486DX/100) under OS/2 Warp 3.0. Between these two is a
: serial cable which came with the FastLynx software package (and with
: which I have never had any trouble.
: 
: What I would like to do is to put the MS-Kermit into "server" mode,
: and conduct all of the operations from the OS/2 session. For the most
: part, this seems to work. However, I have noticed that when I attempt
: to send large binary (.ZIP) files from the OS/2 to the DOS version,
: after just a (smallish) portion of the file is transferred (with a
: "put" command), the transfer is halted with messages to the effect
: that I have aborted the transfer with a Ctrl-C. Nothing could be
: further from the truth. Yesterday, I attempted such a transfer several
: times with identical results. Today, I attempted such a transfer with
: a different file, again with these results.
: 
This would not be happening unless you had told the file sender to

  set control unprefix 3 131

So tell the file sender to:

  set control prefix 3 131

to undo this effect.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: REQ: an *old* version of kermit for DOS 5.0
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In article <clithero-0302961943470001@cs113-2.u.washington.edu>,
Peter Clitherow <clithero@u.washington.edu> wrote:
: I have a friend who has a 5-6 year old laptop running DOS 5.0; he's
: looking for a compatable version of kermit - something that runs on a 286
: generation PC.
: 
: anyone have any pointers?  i don't know much about the PC world, so i'd
: appreciate any leads.  i don't suppose current versions would work on a
: machine that old...
: 
Au contraire -- the current version, 3.14, works fine on any 8088 or above
with sufficient memory (several hundred K).  Even in cases of insufficient
memory, the current release is also available in a reduced-size version
for just that purpose.  We take care not to abandon those people who don't
rush out and buy the latest computer and OS several times a year.

Complete information on Kermit software is at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit disables sound under Win95?
Date: 5 Feb 1996 17:22:47 GMT
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In article <1996Feb4.114903.135174@forest>,  <tbeerley@forest.drew.edu> wrote:
>Has anyone else had problems getting their sound card to work while 
>running Kermit 3.13 under Windows 95?  Whenever I run an app that uses 
>audio at the same time Kermit is running, the OS tells me another 
>application is busy with the audio.
>
No, Kermit does not take over the sound card.

It sounds like you have an interrupt conflict between your sound card and
your serial port.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit does not work transmit when screen is running
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In article <4f44u4$e7s@newslink.runet.edu>, Ilya <ibelooze@runet.edu> wrote:
:
:  Hello. I encountered the following problem: When I  ran kermit and screen
:  programs simulteneously, kermit refuses  to transmit files and just gives
:  me error messages  in the  form of  TNNNTNNN  or something like  that. If
:  anyone knows what causes it and/or what I can do about it, please contact
:  me. Thank you for your time.
:
What computer?  What operating system and version?  What Kermit program
and version?  What kind of connection?  etc etc.

- Frank

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In article <4f5emc$kc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <4f44u4$e7s@newslink.runet.edu>, Ilya <ibelooze@runet.edu> wrote:
>:
>:  Hello. I encountered the following problem: When I  ran kermit and screen
>:  programs simulteneously, kermit refuses  to transmit files and just gives
>:  me error messages  in the  form of  TNNNTNNN  or something like  that. If
>:  anyone knows what causes it and/or what I can do about it, please contact
>:  me. Thank you for your time.
>:
>What computer?  What operating system and version?  What Kermit program
>and version?  What kind of connection?  etc etc.
>
On second thought...  You are talking about the UNIX version of C-Kermit
and you are trying to transfer a file through the GNU "screen" program.
Sorry, you can't.  From the C-Kermit "beware" (ckuker.bwr) file:

  C-Kermit will not work as expected on a remote UNIX system, when used
  through the GNU "screen" program.  In this case, terminal connections to
  the remote UNIX system work, but attempts to transfer files fail because
  the screen optimization (or at least, line wrapping, control-character
  absorption) done by this package interferes with Kermit's packets.

The screen program was not designed to allow file transfers to go through it.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Ctrl-C Seen Where No Ctrl-C Entered
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In article <4eue8l$o8t@Jupiter.mcs.net>, heiby@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) writes:
> I am running a copy of MS-DOS Kermit which identifies itself as "3.14
> 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0" on a Dell 486SX/25 in a Windows 3.1 DOS

	That initial release was replaced by the 21 May edition and
attendent patch files. Please see kermit.columbia.edu, directory
kermit/msdos, archive file msvibm.zip.

> window. I am running a copy of OS/2 "C-Kermit 5A(191), 24 Apr 95" on a
> ThinkPad 755CE (486DX/100) under OS/2 Warp 3.0. Between these two is a
> serial cable which came with the FastLynx software package (and with
> which I have never had any trouble.
> 
> What I would like to do is to put the MS-Kermit into "server" mode,
> and conduct all of the operations from the OS/2 session. For the most
> part, this seems to work. However, I have noticed that when I attempt
> to send large binary (.ZIP) files from the OS/2 to the DOS version,
> after just a (smallish) portion of the file is transferred (with a
> "put" command), the transfer is halted with messages to the effect
> that I have aborted the transfer with a Ctrl-C. Nothing could be
> further from the truth. Yesterday, I attempted such a transfer several
> times with identical results. Today, I attempted such a transfer with
> a different file, again with these results.
> 
> I have discovered a workaround. When I give up "server" mode on the
> DOS kermit and use "REC" there and "SEND" on the OS/2 side, the
> transfer goes to completion normally, and all is well.
> 
> I'd appreciate being told what I am doing wrong, where I can get a
> fixed version of whichever Kermit is acting up, or any other helpful
> suggestions or questions.
----------------
	That "stray" Control-C effect isn't built into the Kermit software.
If the DOS machine has IRQ/port conflicts wierd things will happen. If
the serial port speed is set to very high speeds and the UARTs plus cable
are not all they should be then bytes can be clobbered now and then, and
some can end up looking like Control-C. If you have a virus or other helpful
programs watching the keyboard then unusual results can happen. Do watch for
comms outages resulting when disk cache programs dump large amounts of data
to disk. And so on down the usual list of gotcha's.
	Direct serial communications requires adequate flow control between
machines. That's conventionally XON/XOFF. RTS/CTS may or may not work,
depending on whether your serial cable has all the wires it ought.
	Then there is the OS/2 side of matters. You controlled the file
transfers from there, and trouble with serial comms could produce unusual
effects too. I'm not an expert on OS/2 serial comms so I will leave detailed
speculation to those who are.
	As a fallback, I would try with lower serial port speeds to unstress
the comms link, and I would not try unprefixing control codes in Kermit
packets.
        Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Is sixel vesa 16 colors?
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In article <4ev5s1$j1n@omni1.voicenet.com>, cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) writes:
> Christopher Mosley (cmosley@voicenet.com) wrote:
> :    I have an svga card but only have a vga monitor, so I have
> : only been able to use vga tek/vt340 graphics. It seems
> : that if the allowable <= 256 colors are defined at the beginning
> : of a sixel file they are mapped to the 16 predefined colors.
> : As is the case with ega resolution. I believe this would also be
> : the case for vesa? I have been able to convert gifs to sixel files
> : using portable bit map utilities. If the images use simple colors
> : they are fine but photographs using many and subtle colors are not
> : rendered well in sixteen colors. I can dither the images but the
> : results are not great. ~ 800 x 600 and only 16 colors - is this
> : correct? 
> :                                                Thanks 
> :                                                cmosley
> 
> p.s. In msdos dos kermit: Does HLP have the same 16 color
> constraint as RGB, if not would anyone know how to convert
> sixel RGB to sixel HLS? What vga mode is selected when
> set term graphics vga is used? I would think the one with 256 
> colors - even though cga colors are used.   
------------
	HLS (hue, lightness, saturation) is a logical mapping to
RGBi (red, greeen, blue, intensity). Standard VGA 256 color is video 
mode 13h, which has the crude resolution of 320x200. Kermit does not use
that mode, though many games do, because it is unsuitable for technical
graphics.
	You can read more about it, as they say, in source file msgibm.asm
(see kermit.columbia.edu).
        Joe D.

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From: wakep@iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple)
Subject: >1 session w/telapi?
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Using 3.14, I'm trying to get more than one session working through 
4.1 telapi-tcp/ip to a unix box.  When I do set port telapi 1.1.2.3 new I 
just get the same session - the first disconnects.  Telapi is set to 2 
sessions.  I've got the book and have read the updates, etc. & can't 
figure it out. Is there some trick ?

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From: rothen+@pitt.edu (Seth B Rothenberg)
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I am trying to establish unattended file transfers between
an IBM-370 Mainframe and a Sun Solaris 2.4 UNIX system.


I am wondering if anyone is doing this, and if so how?
We have connectivity of an sdlc link for SNA Peer-to-Peer
which we are using for real-time communications.  
(I don't need info on Sun RJE software right now, as Sun
gave up on that...they gave us our money back...)

I am assuming I can take another port on my HSI card and
connect it to another port on my 3725 Front End and Voila!

The IBM Systems people want more information.  My boss would
very much like to know if there is a big company from which we
can buy a maintenance contract.  However, just one reference
would be a nice start.

Thanks
Seth 


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From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson)
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Subject: Re: Setting Kermit's Serial Port (baud) rate
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Rich Godlewsky (76412.156@compuserve.com) wrote:
: I am using a US Robotics External 28.8 Data/Fax Modem on Com Port 2 with 
: Kermit.  The US Robotics manual states that I have to set the Serail Port 
: (Baud) rate to either 115.2K or 57.6K bps.  

: Question:
: How can you set the Serail Port (Baud) rate in kermit?  Note, I believe 
: SET BAUD or SET SPEED sets the transmission speed over the phone line and 
: not the speed between the modem and the PC.  Is this a correct statement?

No it isn't  The SET SPEED set the port speed.  This is a common 
miss understanding problem.  Now if you modem only allows speed matching to 
the port you have a problem.  This isn't the case with USRs.  You use 
commands to the modem (those AT thingys) to set the modem to not lock to 
the port speed.

Of course I'm not a communications expert so this probably contains bad 
wording but the idea is there.

I don't have my MS-Kermit INI file handy so I can't tell you what I use 
with my USR Sportser 14.4 but the port is at 57.6kbs and the modem 
handles the phone line stuff.  This means when I call into work I get a 
9600 connection at their end and when I call my service provider I get a 
19.2kbs.  On my Linux machine I think the port is at 19.2kbs or higher.

This help or confuse?

: Thanks in advance,
: Rich Godlewsky
: Sparta Systems, Inc.
: 76412.156@compuserve.com


Rod
andersr@comtch.iea.com
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From: wakep@iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple)
Subject: Compressed Text prob
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I have used the compressed text feature of 3.14 on a Diamond svga card, 
but can't seem to get it to work on the Hercules svga machines at work.

I do set compr text-132, but kermit goes into graphics mode instead. That 
would be ok, but the svga card seems to think it's 1024x768 or something, 
since the text is really tiny and doesn't even display right then.

I can set up the batch file to issue a command to put the card in 132-col 
mode, but I don't know how to *force* kermit to use that batch file 
instead of doing its own thing with the hardware.

We'd really like to get this set up so our users can view 132 columns 
using novell telapi to a unix box.



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From: Gary Gladney <gladney@stsci.edu>
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Subject: Tek window emulator in K95
Date: 6 Feb 1996 15:25:38 GMT
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We have had several inquiries about a Tek emulator in Kermit 95.  Nothing I 
can find says that Kermit 95 supports Tek.  Does anyone know or is there a
patch avialable for the Tek window emulator.

thanks
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <4f7rti$p9e@marvel.stsci.edu>,
Gary Gladney  <gladney@stsci.edu> wrote:
> We have had several inquiries about a Tek emulator in Kermit 95.
> Nothing I can find says that Kermit 95 supports Tek.
>
It doesn't.

> Does anyone know or is there a patch avialable for the Tek window
> emulator.
>
It would not be a patch.  In fact it is a significant developement
project, and one which we intend to undertake.  But before it can be done,
we must convert Kermit 95 from a console application to a full GUI
application, because console applications can't make graphics.  We are
working on the GUI conversion now, but it is a BIG JOB with literally tens
of thousands of details to iron out.

After the full-GUI version is released, then we will begin to add features
to it, such as Tektronix 401x emulation.

- Frank

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From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM>
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Joe D & Rod,

Thanks for straighting me out on this Set Baud issue.  

I plan on setting the Baud to 115200 for my US Robotics 28.8 
Sporster Modem.

Thanks,
Rich Godlewsky
Sparta Systems, Inc.
76412.156@compuserve.com

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From: Doug Pickering <doug_pickering@msn.com>
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Hi,

Unfortunately I cannot get MSKermit 3.14 to work with CTERM on Pathworks 
6.  Anybody managed to get it working?

Doug Pickering

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In article <1996Feb4.114903.135174@forest>,  <tbeerley@forest.drew.edu> wrote:
: >Has anyone else had problems getting their sound card to work while 
: >running Kermit 3.13 under Windows 95?  Whenever I run an app that uses 
: >audio at the same time Kermit is running, the OS tells me another 
: >application is busy with the audio.
: >
: No, Kermit does not take over the sound card.

: It sounds like you have an interrupt conflict between your sound card and
: your serial port.

Rumor has it ;-) that some sound cards use IRQ4.

If you look in Win95 under Control Panel, System, Device Drivers, you should
be able to see if your sound card is using irq 4, and probably conflicting
with a comm port, which you can also check from the control panel.

You might want to try Kermit-95.

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From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM>
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Joe,

Could you tell me the name of the book on kermit which will 
describe problems in the MS Windows such as Set Port?

I currently own the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" second edition by 
Christine M. Gianone.

Thanks in advance,
Rich Godlewsky
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In article <4f8m8r$hja$2@mhade.production.compuserve.com>,
Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com  <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>Could you tell me the name of the book on kermit which will 
>describe problems in the MS Windows such as Set Port?
>
>I currently own the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" second edition by 
>Christine M. Gianone.
>
The book is supplemented by update and technical material in plain-text
files on the MS-DOS Kermit diskette:

  KERMIT.UPD describes changes to the software since the book
    was published.

  KERMIT.BWR contains the information you are asking about.

  NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC contains voluminous information on networking.

- Frank

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Date: 31 Jan 1996 22:35:03 GMT
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Since I started this thread, I though I would give an update.  I
now have several <two> machine dedicated tcp/ip over ethernet
(both coax and 10BaseT) running:

MsKermit <--> Ckermit (OS2 3.0)
MsKermit <--> Ckermit (SCO UNIX 3.0 ODT)
MsKermit <--> MsKermit (PCDOSV 6.3)

Performance has been good, but not as good as I expected.
Despite some effort expended in tuning, I have not been able to
get more than 25000 <-> 30000 characters/second.  Sure, this
beats a serial link, but seems much less than a hardwired
ethernet connect should deliver.

Hardware on the OS2/UNIX side: 486 dx266 with 20 megs ram, ne2000
clone card.

Hardware on the portable side: Att globalyst 130 486 dx4 at 100
MHZ, 12 megs ram, PCMCIA ne2000 clone card.

--
Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield,
Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk

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From: Doug Pickering <doug_pickering@msn.com>
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Subject: MSKermit over TCPIP with Microsoft TCPIP stack
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 11:13:30 -0800
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Hi,

I have managed to get MSKermit working in a DOS session talking alright 
over TCP/IP.  I can't however get any windows TCPIP app (Netscape for 
example) to run when Kermit is talking to a host.

I have read all the documents and believe that getting Microsoft's TCPIP 
for WFW to work with Kermit is not possible.  Anyone have any other 
ideas?

Doug Pickering

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Setting Serial Port Speed
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In article <4f8m8r$hja$2@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes:
> Joe,
> 
> Could you tell me the name of the book on kermit which will 
> describe problems in the MS Windows such as Set Port?
> 
> I currently own the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" second edition by 
> Christine M. Gianone.
---------
	As I replied to you privately, but again for the benefit of other
readers, the MSK release notes have more recent information and advice
than the book. There isn't one specific document describing all the many
(sigh) ways that MS Windows (3.1 & 95) can deal with serial ports, so we
in the Kermit Project give some common hints and hope that will cover most
cases (and free us of the concern to write an 800 page $45 tome titled
"Undocumented Windows Serial Ports, with CD-ROM!" or similar).
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MSKermit over TCPIP with Microsoft TCPIP stack
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In article <3118F9DA.18C6@msn.com>, Doug Pickering <doug_pickering@msn.com> writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have managed to get MSKermit working in a DOS session talking alright 
> over TCP/IP.  I can't however get any windows TCPIP app (Netscape for 
> example) to run when Kermit is talking to a host.
> 
> I have read all the documents and believe that getting Microsoft's TCPIP 
> for WFW to work with Kermit is not possible.  Anyone have any other 
> ideas?
---------------
	I suggest folks reread the section which discusses two protocol
stacks of the same kind over the same board: won't work, don't do it.
	MS' TCP/IP stack is for pure Windows programs only, not for DOS 
programs.
	Joe D.


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From: gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard)
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Subject: modem pooling
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 21:26:05 GMT
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I just have a quick question here.  There was a post in one of the
Linux USENET groups about modem pooling.  Ie, can computer A start a
TCP session to computer B, where the modem is physically connected to,
and use the modem on computer B?  If not, I thought it might be kind
of interesting to hack around at it, but if it is already done...

TIA.

gb

Greg Bernard                             Data Broadcasting Corp.
gbernard@dbc.com                         1900 S. Norfolk St.   
All opionions, if I had any, are my own. San Mateo, CA  94404


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You know your program is a success when...

Someone posts in alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc asking for a copy of
Kermit95 to be posted to the group!


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: modem pooling
Date: 8 Feb 1996 17:37:10 GMT
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In article <4f5t3g$jfk@ccnet2.ccnet.com>,
Greg Bernard <gbernard@dbc.com> wrote:
>I just have a quick question here.  There was a post in one of the
>Linux USENET groups about modem pooling.  Ie, can computer A start a
>TCP session to computer B, where the modem is physically connected to,
>and use the modem on computer B?  If not, I thought it might be kind
>of interesting to hack around at it, but if it is already done...
>
It has.  Computer B is generally a terminal server that is configured for
this purpose.  Telnet (i.e. Kermit) from Computer A to a particular TCP
port (say 2000) on the terminal server, which has been configured to
dynamically assign the first free modem for an outbound call.  C-Kermit
and Kermit 95 are already programmed to dial out in this way.  See page 74
of "Using C-Kermit".

- Frank

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From: Axel.Trocha@aachen.netsurf.de
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Hello,

I a mdesperately looking for any information about Digitals
LAT (local area transport) - protocoll. I know that they
sold it to some other company. I would be happy about any
information you could give me about this subject.

bye

Axel


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From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
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Date: 9 Feb 1996 00:50:26 GMT
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clithero@u.washington.edu (Peter Clitherow) writes:
>I have a friend who has a 5-6 year old laptop running DOS 5.0; he's looking 
>for a compatble version of kermit - something that runs on a 286 generation PC.
>anyone have any pointers?  i don't know much about the PC world, so i'd
>appreciate any leads.  i don't suppose current versions would work on a
>machine that old...

I'm using:  IBM PS/2, 80286, 2MB of RAM, 20MB hard-drive, VGA colour monitor.

Release 3.14 of MS KERMIT runs quite well, under DOS 4.01, using 2400baud modem.

Is that "old" enough for you?   :-)


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: >1 session w/telapi?
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In article <DMByuG.M3w@iglou.com>, wakep@iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) writes:
> Using 3.14, I'm trying to get more than one session working through 
> 4.1 telapi-tcp/ip to a unix box.  When I do set port telapi 1.1.2.3 new I 
> just get the same session - the first disconnects.  Telapi is set to 2 
> sessions.  I've got the book and have read the updates, etc. & can't 
> figure it out. Is there some trick ?
--------
	Novell's TELAPI interface supports only one connection, as Kermit
sees it. You can use Novell's transitory helper program TSU to create more 
than one and assign each to a fake serial port (SET PORT BIOSn, n=1-4).
We provide a macro, named Telapi as well, which runs TSU, hands over the
host name, specifies the port, and sets Kermit to that port. If you look
at the macro and the Novell TSU instruction sheet it's easy to tailor
whatever you wish.
	The Kermit comms channels (SET PORT blah) support multiple sessions
only with its internal TCP/IP stack; all other channels are single session.
By using different SET PORT BIOSn ports one can have several Telapi sessions
active.
	Joe D.

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From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth)
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Subject: bugs in Ckermit and Mskermit vt100 mode
Date: 9 Feb 1996 00:16:56 GMT
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I have observed the following unfriendly behavior in vt100 mode 
with Ckermit and Mskermit:

1) With Ckermit for OS2 running under OS2 Windows 3.0 Japanese,
garbage (control characters?) in English language posts will
cause Ckermit to switch to a mode in which everything on screen
appears in the Japanese katakana font although the source text is
actually ascii.  This is purely an internal Ckermit problem.
Using ALT+X to go to the command prompt gives a standard English
display.

So far I've found nothing other than restarting Ckermit that will
fix this situation.

2) With MsKermit 3.14 for DOS with input echo on in an automated
login sequence, the vt100 initialization string returned by tset
(?) will result in the screen being switched to 40 column mode.
This happens with the termcap/terminfo supplied with SCO UNIX ODT
3.0.  This does <not> happen for logins done by hand.  The
problem appears only with <script> driven logins.

Running mode bw80 will reset the screen to the proper display.

--
Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield,
Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk

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From: jtomich@IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich)
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Subject: Tandem emulation needed!
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Need to find emulation for connecting to a Tandem mainframe. I understand 
its either 6523/6530 terminal emulation. We be running MSKERMIT. Any 
place where I can obtain such emulation for MSkermit?

thanks, Jeff


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <N.020896.143432.79@SHIRKAN>,
 <Axel.Trocha@aachen.netsurf.de> wrote:
>I a mdesperately looking for any information about Digitals
>LAT (local area transport) - protocoll. I know that they
>sold it to some other company. I would be happy about any
>information you could give me about this subject.
>
LAT is a protocol designed specifically for terminal connections
on a local Ethernet.  Kind of a low-overhead Telnet.  It is also
used for similar types of services: reverse terminal service such
as connection from VMS host to serial ports, printers, or modems on
a DECserver.

LAT networking support for PCs is available in DEC PATHWORKS
(expensive) and also from Meridian Technology Corporation,
Chesterfield MO, USA, http://www.meridiantc.com/ in their
"SuperLAT" products.

MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, Kermit 95, and VMS C-Kermit contain built-in
support for making LAT (and/or SuperLAT) connections.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: bugs in Ckermit and Mskermit vt100 mode
Date: 9 Feb 1996 15:29:30 GMT
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In article <4fe3po$1gr@bignews.shef.ac.uk>,
Earl H. Kinmonth <cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk> wrote:
: I have observed the following unfriendly behavior in vt100 mode 
: with Ckermit and Mskermit:
: 
: 1) With Ckermit for OS2 running under OS2 Windows 3.0 Japanese,
: garbage (control characters?) in English language posts will
: cause Ckermit to switch to a mode in which everything on screen
: appears in the Japanese katakana font although the source text is
: actually ascii.  This is purely an internal Ckermit problem.
: Using ALT+X to go to the command prompt gives a standard English
: display.
: 
: So far I've found nothing other than restarting Ckermit that will
: fix this situation.
: 
If you could send us a session log that demonstrates the problem,
along with the relevant C-Kermit configuration (particularly the
SHOW TERMINAL display), we could give a specific diagnosis.
However, it will probably not turn out to be a bug.  The
terminal-to-host connection uses a certain presentation protocol,
whose details depend upon the terminal type and other factors, but
which works by mixing control information with real data.  Control
information is commonly called an "escape sequence".  We are all
familiar with escape sequences that position the cursor on the
screen, clear the screen, and so on.

There are also escape sequences that change the character set.  In
the VT220 and above series of terminals, these sequences are as spelled
out by ISO standards 4873 and 2022, and the International Register
of Character Sets.

It is intrinsic to the very design of terminal-to-host protocols that
"garbage" can take the same form as a valid escape sequence.  The
terminal has no way of telling the difference.  In your case, however,
I suspect that we are not seeing garbage at all, but -- since I take
it you are reading a Japanese newsgroup -- the text of the posting
actually contains a "switch-to-Kanji" (or Katakana, etc) sequence,
perhaps an improper one generated by the poster's news software.

But since OS/2 C-Kermit does not yet support Japanese terminal
emulation, as MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 does, the Kanji comes out wrong.

In any case, should your C-Kermit screen switch into Kanji or any
other undesired character set because of garbage or any other
reason, you should be able to switch it back with the Reset button,
Alt-R, verb \Kreset.  Failing that (it shouldn't fail), you can
also escape back to the prompt (Alt-X) and give the appropriate SET
TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET commands.

: 2) With MsKermit 3.14 for DOS with input echo on in an automated
: login sequence, the vt100 initialization string returned by tset
: (?) will result in the screen being switched to 40 column mode.
: This happens with the termcap/terminfo supplied with SCO UNIX ODT
: 3.0.  This does <not> happen for logins done by hand.  The
: problem appears only with <script> driven logins.
: 
: Running mode bw80 will reset the screen to the proper display.
: 
Right.  This is a well-known problem, documented for years in the
"beware file".  Solution: either don't SET INPUT ECHO ON during logins,
or else don't run ANSI.SYS.  (The problem is that an escape sequence
sent by the UNIX system is interpreted as "switch to 40 column
mode" by ANSI.SYS.  It's not a Kermit problem.)

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip
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Date: 7 Feb 96 22:33:57 MDT
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In article <4eoqqn$7hj@bignews.shef.ac.uk>, kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes:
> Since I started this thread, I though I would give an update.  I
> now have several <two> machine dedicated tcp/ip over ethernet
> (both coax and 10BaseT) running:
> 
> MsKermit <--> Ckermit (OS2 3.0)
> MsKermit <--> Ckermit (SCO UNIX 3.0 ODT)
> MsKermit <--> MsKermit (PCDOSV 6.3)
> 
> Performance has been good, but not as good as I expected.
> Despite some effort expended in tuning, I have not been able to
> get more than 25000 <-> 30000 characters/second.  Sure, this
> beats a serial link, but seems much less than a hardwired
> ethernet connect should deliver.
> 
> Hardware on the OS2/UNIX side: 486 dx266 with 20 megs ram, ne2000
> clone card.
> 
> Hardware on the portable side: Att globalyst 130 486 dx4 at 100
> MHZ, 12 megs ram, PCMCIA ne2000 clone card.
--------
	Maybe it's the PCMCIA card.
	For reference, my desktop 486-66 DX/2 running MS-DOS Kermit
gets Kermit to Kermit file transfer speeds of 100KB/sec to my Unix
machine (C Kermit 5A(190) for UnixWare) and 80KB/sec to the campus
DEC Alpha cluster (C Kermit 5A(190) for VMS, competition from all the
other users). That's with 2000 byte packets and 4 window slots. I unprefix
no control codes, so I could have bumped up the speed if I wanted to. 
Ethernet, coax, nothing fancy.
	If you use small packets and/or no sliding window slots matters
progress more slowly.
	But again I point the finger of suspicion at any PCMCIA card as
not up to performance levels of full machine boards.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: bugs in Ckermit and Mskermit vt100 mode
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> 
> 2) With MsKermit 3.14 for DOS with input echo on in an automated
> login sequence, the vt100 initialization string returned by tset
> (?) will result in the screen being switched to 40 column mode.
> This happens with the termcap/terminfo supplied with SCO UNIX ODT
> 3.0.  This does <not> happen for logins done by hand.  The
> problem appears only with <script> driven logins.
> 
> Running mode bw80 will reset the screen to the proper display.
----------
	Because while using scripts all screen writing is done at the 
Kermit prompt level by DOS, not via the terminal emulator. ANSI.SYS is
loaded on your machine and it does the 40 column mode change in response to
the probe from the remote host. No script can fully emulate a terminal of
the VT100 class and above, so you may wish to limit how much a script is
permitted to do before Connect mode is activitated.
	Joe D.

