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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C-Kermit Script is not quitting after it sends the Page
Date: 25 Apr 1996 13:46:14 GMT
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In article <4lm2ik$4kn@dprmp3.dataprompt.com>,
Shujaat Siddiqui <dpss@dprmp3.dataprompt.com> wrote:
: I am working on simple Kermit script to page the Sysyem Administrators
: if any Production Machine goes down.
: 
: We have Linux sitting on a P.C. which is a firewall connection to
: the internet.  I am using that machine also to check the Main Production
: machines out.
: 
: Since we have only numaric pagers provided by our company, I am
: using the following Kermit Script to send the pager out.
: 
: ****************** BEGINNIG OF SCRIPT ******************
: 
: set line /dev/modem	; Set for second serial port on a SPARCstation die
: set modem hayes	; Set for Hayes modem
: set local-echo on	; Echo local (doesn't seem to work)
: set duplex full	; Echo local (doesn't seem to work)
:
These two are synonyms in C-Kermit so you only need one of them.
They apply only to CONNECT mode, and since your script does not enter
CONNECT mode, they do indeed have no effect.  If you want to watch what's
going on during the dialing process, use "set dial display on", like it
says in the book, "Using C-Kermit".

: set parity even	; Should set us to 7e1
: set speed 19200	; 1200 is max speed AirTouch seems to accept
: ;set output pacing 1	; Seems needed to work with AirTouch
: 
: define \%a 9,5109443
: define \%b 8765432
: 
: output AT\13
: input 3 OK
: if fail stop 1 Can't get your modem's attention
: output ATDT\%a,,,,,\%b##;\13
: input 3 OK
: if fail stop 1 Can't place call     
: output exit\13
:
"output exit\13"?  But "exit" is not a modem command, is it?
It certainly isn't going to the pager, since you do not have a data
connection -- remember, numeric pagers do not answer the phone with a 
carrier signal.

: pause 5
: hangup
: 
: stop 0 Script succeeded
: 
: *************** END OF SCRIPT *************************
: 
: The problem I am having, is that above script does the job, which pages
: sends the message correctly, but it never hangup and quit the Kermit
: session.
: 
I don't know what you intended to accomplish with the "output exit\13"
line, but you should probably just remove it.  In any case I don't see
why the "pause 5" and "hangup" commands would not be executed, so this
probably means that the modem is not responding to Kermit dropping the
DTR signal, which in turn probably means that the modem is configured to
ignore DTR transitions.  So instead of "hangup", try:

  pause 1
  output +++
  pause 1
  output ATH0\13

or (assuming you are using C-Kermit 5A(190)):

  set dial modem-hangup on
  hangup

Now if you want Kermit to exit when it is finished with the script, change:

  stop 0 Script succeeded

to:

  echo Script succeeded
  exit

: Also if someone could give me some hints how to get variables outside of
: the script instead of hard coding it in my Kermit script, so that I
: would be able page more than one person at time.
: 
There are numerous ways to do this -- as parameters to macros, as
command-line arguments, as environment variables, etc etc.  You should
read the script programming chapters of "Using C-Kermit".

: ********************************************************************
: *                                                                  *
: * A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.  Emerson *
: *                                                                  *
: ********************************************************************
: 
Emerson?  I though it was Ben Grimm...

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Is there a new version of Kermit for HP-UX
Date: 25 Apr 1996 13:48:58 GMT
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In article <4lm3ds$chu@fcnews.fc.hp.com>,
Bill McKinney <billm@fc.hp.com> wrote:
: 
: Help...
: Does anybody know of a newer version of Kermit for HP-UX than 5A (190)
: for 9.x systems?
: 
That's the current release.  We are working on a new release and you're
welcome to test it if you want to.  It's in the kermit/test tree on
kermit.columbia.edu, available via anonymous ftp.  It's more or less at
Alpha level now (only for the brave and/or foolhardy); when it reaches
Beta level I'll post an announcement here.

- Frank

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From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher)
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: And the forthcoming GUI version will support arbitrary screen sizes, not
: just the standard 24 x 80 or 132, 49 x 80 or 132, 55 x 80 or 132, etc.
: It will also allow you to change the screen size OR the font size by dragging
: the window corner, with automatic notification of the host (on Telnet or
: Rlogin connections) of the new screen dimensions.

Nice. Will the OS/2 version be able to notify the host, too (or is it already
and its again one of those treasures I haven't found yet?).

: Right.  In the most recent release, 1.1.4, we added searching and bookmark
: capabilities for the scrollback buffer too.  Also note that you can make
: the scrollback buffer as big as you want, up to about 2 million lines,
: as long as your PC has the memory and swap space to handle it.  Most other
: packages have an artificial limit on the amount of scrollback.

Will these things make it in the other releases, too, where appropriate?
Of course, I care less about bookmarks that about Tektronix emulation, but
still. Also -- is there really no way to keep supporting and improving a
vio / command line version once you go GUI? I just love the ability to
use ckermit fullscreen or in text windows, even on slower machines (I am
talking 386dx25 with 8 MB RAM, Trident 8900 graphics, and OS/2 Warp, for
instance) which would be more or less useless otherwise.

: : We are most pleased with Kermit 95.

I am too, with C-Kermit 5 (191) for OS/2. 

: Btw, full information about Kermit 95 is available on the Web at:

:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

Just a minor remark. I realize you have to and I hope you do make some
money with Kermit '95, but does that mean that the URL has to look like
there was only that? I mean, all the other Kermit realted stuff is
under a biiiig 'Kermit '95 / NT' headline as 'what''s available' ...
Again --- I care more about the software than about the web page, but still.
Maybe it is also the text based browser lynx I use; I can't stand the
graphics stuff.

Kind regards.   Stefan

: - Frank

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From: ehat@halcyon.com (Edward Hatfield)
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Subject: Sending XModem through C-Kermit
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Howdy All,

	I'm having a bit of trouble and wondering if anyone had "been there"
or "Done that".

	I'm trying to connect to a remote site via our C-Kermit (190) from our
big unix box (DG AViiON).  I'm using the 'redirect' command and XModem
3.9.  I start the xmodem transfer, it sends the first block (128
bytes) and never receives the ACK back.  (Same old story, little ack
grows up, leaves home... can never come back...:,\).

	I've verified by hook-and-crook that we can transfer using YModem,
ZModem and the blessed Kermit transfer modes, but not XModem.  I've
examined log files and find that that data gets where its going and
the remote machine sends (it thinks) an ACK back, but the sending side
never sees it and keeps sending the same block again and again.

	I've tried making sure I'm working across an 8-bit channel, but I'm
unsure if various 'stty' commands and 'set terminal byte 8' is enough.

	My heart belongs to Kermit and I don't intend to use any other tool
(not counting XModem3.9), but I'd really like to get that o'l data
flowin again.

		Thanks in Advance,  (ADVthanksANCE)  Edward Hatfield.



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In article <4lnjc0$so1@gaia.ns.utk.edu>,
Deutscher <sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: : And the forthcoming GUI version will support arbitrary screen sizes, not
: : just the standard 24 x 80 or 132, 49 x 80 or 132, 55 x 80 or 132, etc.
: : It will also allow you to change the screen size OR the font size by dragging
: : the window corner, with automatic notification of the host (on Telnet or
: : Rlogin connections) of the new screen dimensions.
: 
: Nice. Will the OS/2 version be able to notify the host, too (or is it already
: and its again one of those treasures I haven't found yet?).

OS/2 C-Kermit 5a(191) already supports Telnet Negotiate About Window Size
(NAWS) protocol and uses it if your host supports it.

5a(191) does not support rlogin.

: : Right.  In the most recent release, 1.1.4, we added searching and bookmark
: : capabilities for the scrollback buffer too.  Also note that you can make
: : the scrollback buffer as big as you want, up to about 2 million lines,
: : as long as your PC has the memory and swap space to handle it.  Most other
: : packages have an artificial limit on the amount of scrollback.
: 
: Will these things make it in the other releases, too, where appropriate?

The Alpha versions of Kermit/2 (K2) for OS/2 already support all of the
enhancements made in Kermit-95.

: Of course, I care less about bookmarks that about Tektronix emulation, but
: still. Also -- is there really no way to keep supporting and improving a
: vio / command line version once you go GUI? 

Our intention is to develop both in parallel GUI and Console versions.
Obviously, graphics features such as Tektronix emulation cannot be 
supported in Text only Console versions.

: I just love the ability to
: use ckermit fullscreen or in text windows, even on slower machines (I am
: talking 386dx25 with 8 MB RAM, Trident 8900 graphics, and OS/2 Warp, for
: instance) which would be more or less useless otherwise.
: 
: : : We are most pleased with Kermit 95.
: 
: I am too, with C-Kermit 5 (191) for OS/2. 

Thank you.

: : Btw, full information about Kermit 95 is available on the Web at:
: 
: :   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
: 
: Just a minor remark. I realize you have to and I hope you do make some
: money with Kermit '95, but does that mean that the URL has to look like
: there was only that? I mean, all the other Kermit realted stuff is
: under a biiiig 'Kermit '95 / NT' headline as 'what''s available' ...
: Again --- I care more about the software than about the web page, but still.
: Maybe it is also the text based browser lynx I use; I can't stand the
: graphics stuff.


Point taken.  As new versions of the software are made available on
additional platforms the Web Page will be restructured as needed.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
               * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
  C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html
  Kermit 95 for Windows 95 :   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: which is the best soft. Kermit95, Relfection, KEA ??
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In article <4lnjc0$so1@gaia.ns.utk.edu>,
Deutscher <sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> wrote:
: ...
: Nice. Will the OS/2 version be able to notify the host, too (or is it already
: and its again one of those treasures I haven't found yet?).
: 
As Jeff pointed out, the OS/2 version -- like the MS-DOS version --
already supports TELNET NAWS, but the Telnet server on the other end has
to support it too.

OS/2 C-Kermit (and MS-DOS Kermit) also support the escape sequence method
(as in UNIX `eval resize` or the VMS equivalent) but this must be
initiated by the host.  Since MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit are text-mode
programs, screen-sizes change only when you escape back and give commands
to change the size, or when the host itself sends an escape to change the
size (e.g. to switch to 132-column mode).

In a GUI program, we also can change screen dimensions by dragging the
corner with the mouse.  On Telnet and Rlogin connections, GUI terminal
emulators can send the appropriate Telnet or Rlogin protocol messages
whenever this happens, as xterm users know.

: Will these things make it in the other releases, too, where appropriate?
:
It depends on the platform.  If you are asking, will there be a product
for OS/2 comparable to Kermit 95, the answer is "maybe".  Maybe you and
other OS/2 users can help answer it.

Obviously we want to please everybody, but there are not enough of us to
do that, and in today's financial climate we have to focus our efforts
where they will pay off best.  (Remember, the Kermit Project pays its own
way.)

To be candid, we could not give away a product for OS/2 that is the same
as the one we are selling for Windows 95.  This is our bread and butter.
Thus any new Kermit release for OS/2 would need to be a commercial-quality
product.  But that requires a certain level of investment -- and I'm not
just talking about programmer time, but also packaging and so on.  The
question is: would there ever be enough sales of an OS/2 product to recoup
the original investment, or would we take a bath?  I don't mean to sound
crass, but the newsgroups are full of postings whose gist is "Kermit is
GREAT as long as I don't have to pay for it."  Kermit 95 users, it seems,
have mostly gotten past that.

What about OS/2 users?  How do we know in advance if the investment is
worth the risk?  With Windows 95 it was an easy decision.  With OS/2?  Not
so easy.

: Btw, full information about Kermit 95 is available on the Web at:
: 
: :   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
: 
: Just a minor remark. I realize you have to and I hope you do make some
: money with Kermit '95, but does that mean that the URL has to look like
: there was only that?
:
Just to clear up this misunderstanding: like it says, this is the URL for
Kermit 95, not for all the other Kermit programs.  It was posted in a
message that discusses Kermit 95.  The main Kermit URL is:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

The OS/2 C-Kermit URL is:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html

In any case, I hope some of you OS/2 users can help us reach a decision.
Look at the Kermit 95 licensing and pricing plans at the aforementioned
Kermit 95 URL and see how they would settle with you or your company or
institution.  In short... would you pay?

- Frank

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>And the forthcoming GUI version will support arbitrary screen sizes, not
>just the standard 24 x 80 or 132, 49 x 80 or 132, 55 x 80 or 132, etc.
>It will also allow you to change the screen size OR the font size by dragging
>the window corner, with automatic notification of the host (on Telnet or
>Rlogin connections) of the new screen dimensions.

Please, please, please: If you're gonna do this, pop-up a small dialog that
tells me what size the screen is as I am re-sizing it so I can tell when I
have it the size I want (this sort of thing is pretty much the default in X,
at least with mwm, and it drives me crazy that I can't ever really tell what
size I have under most windows applications).

If you can't do that, at least have a alternate way to set the size with a
dialog box so I can set it to the exact size I want.
--
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Hi,

I have a script I use to send a message to my pager. However, I would
like to make the messages variable. Can I pass the message to kermit
on startup and use e.g. %1 as variable ? 

The script will in some cases be called 10 times in 1 minute with a
different message every time. Maybe there is another solution ?

I now use a file that looks like this which kermit takes from my
script :

assign \%a /dev/tty1
assign \%b Test message


Thanks,

Marc Mulhuijzen
AIX System Manager


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In article <DqEzDA.6tt@tip.nl>, Marc Mulhuijzen <marc.mulhuijzen@tip.nl> wrote:
: I have a script I use to send a message to my pager. However, I would
: like to make the messages variable. Can I pass the message to kermit
: on startup and use e.g. %1 as variable ? 
: 
Yes.  There are many ways to do this, described in the script programming
chapters of "Using C-Kermit".

: The script will in some cases be called 10 times in 1 minute with a
: different message every time. Maybe there is another solution ?
: 
: I now use a file that looks like this which kermit takes from my
: script :
: 
: assign \%a /dev/tty1
: assign \%b Test message
: 
Let's assume it is UNIX.  You would like to be able to type a UNIX 
command like:

  page 7654321 "This is a message"

and have Kermit call the phone number and send the message.  Let's
write a short shell script that passes this info to C-Kermit:

#!/bin/sh
kermit -C "define \\%1 $1, define \\%2 $2, take scriptfile"

-C (uppercase) is the command-line option that lets us give a list of
interactive-mode commands on the command line.  Note that the command list
must be enclosed in doublequotes and backslashes in the Kermit variables
have to be doubled -- these are UNIX shell quoting rules.

Now your scriptfile can refer to the number as \%1 and the message
as \%2, as in:

  dial \%1
  if fail ....
  output \%2\13
  hangup

(or however you talk to the pager.)

- Frank

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From: larrym@imsi.com (Larry Martell)
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Subject: Re: Where does kermit get host addresses from?
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In article <4lr8qf$b5a@titan.imsi.com>, Larry Martell <larrym@imsi.com> wrote:
>I"m trying to use C-Kermit to connect to a site with set host. But when I
>issue the command it says "Can't get address for ..." But outside of
>kermit I can telnet to that same site with no problem.
>
>Could it be that I'm connecting through a firewall? To telnet I use the
>socks telnet. Is there a way to get kermit to know the address of the host
>and for it to go through the firewall.

A follow up to my own post:

When I give the hard coded ip address in the set host command, it says 
"netopen connect: Network is unreachable". So the real problem is getting 
kermit to go through the fire wall - that's why it can't get the address.

larry
-- 
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From: jholmes@sos.net
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I have the 1.1.4 version of Kermit-95. It's listed as item 91 in the bug notes as being fixed, 
the initial screen colors aren't the same as the ones that I've defined. Is there a way to 
solve this with this version?

Thanks,

John Holmes
jholmes@sos.net


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I"m trying to use C-Kermit to connect to a site with set host. But when I
issue the command it says "Can't get address for ..." But outside of
kermit I can telnet to that same site with no problem.

Could it be that I'm connecting through a firewall? To telnet I use the
socks telnet. Is there a way to get kermit to know the address of the host
and for it to go through the firewall.

TIA,
larry
-- 
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larrym@imsi.com		       I feel bad. And that is my religion."

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From: AMRHEIN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU (amrhein,paul)
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Subject: Terminal Emulation: cursor control via mouse
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I am currently incorporating the Kermit file transfer protocol into a terminal
emulation program used in an IBM mainframe environment.
 
I have encountered a problem (not related to file transfer) that has me
stumped.  I'd like to relocate the on-screen cursor with a click of the mouse.
The algorithm goes roughly like this:
 
      determine the current cursor coordinates
      determine the coordinates of the mouse pointer when clicked
      compute the number of arrow strokes (up, down, left, right) needed to
              properly relocate the cursor
      send these keystrokes
 
When I implement this algorithm, the mouse click sends the cursor flying about
my screen in all directions (reminiscent of the old 'Pong' game), and it comes
to rest in an unlikely position.  We have come to call this effect 'the rogue
cursor.'
 
Is there a trick or secret to controlling the cursor with a mouse?
 
Any suggestions or references would be greatly appreciated.
 
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searching for `kermit' and `as/400', I found a few hits on the web.
one of the best is at <http://www.redoc.com/ftcf.html> :

> Features of File Transfer Command Facility
>
>      * REDOC File Transfer uses Asynchronous communications to up-load
>        and down-load files using any of these protocols: Xmodem, Ymodem,
>        Kermit, and ASCII. You can transfer data between the IBM AS/400TM
>        and personal computers or any other remote system which supports
>        one or more of the above file transfer protocols.

but:

> Ordering Information
>
>    REDOC File Transfer and Command Facility is available for all IBM
>    AS/400TMs. The price of File Transfer and Command Facility is $995.00.

I'm not saying that talking to an AS/400 is trivial in the first place.
but I just think that once you are, and you've already implemented 3270
input screens and EBCDIC mappings and all those painful things, that
adding the simplest level of kermit on top wouldn't be too much more.
-- 
Russell_Schulz@locutus.ofB.ORG  Shad 86c

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From: "K.R. Lewis" <"sllewis@nando.net, krl"@rtmx.com>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.m6809
Subject: Re: Looking for flex 6809 kermit version
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Peter Orban wrote:
> 
> In article <31775D49.202ACD19@lvd.be>, Lieven Tomme <ltom@lvd.be> wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > I could use a kermit version under the flex operating system,
> > running on a Motorola 6809 processor.
> > I did not found a binary version yet (thats what I finally
> > want).
> 
> Columbia University is the official site for Kermit:
> 
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

Hello to all,

Given a little time (we are absolutely swapped right now), I could
possibly help each of you with ALL THINGS FLEX & UniFLEX ....

How?

Almost six years ago, near the end of life for TSC (Chapel Hill, NC)
a few of us former employees (TSC & UniFLEX Computing Ltd.) started
our own company to do a POSIX conformant system. It's happend
that this too came to pass (RTMX !!! ), but my point to you is
we still have ALL of the FLEX & UniFLEX sources archived.

There remains still a short time before we could provide the
UniFLEX stuff (due to copyright expirations & such), but
I am almost sure that anything FLEX *could* be released with
no harm.

If there is interest, let me know. Be specific. Keep it reasonable,
becasue we don't really have a lot of free time to devote.

Why this offer?

Each of us "worker bees" were left in the lurch when all of the original
owners, partners and hanger-on's bailed out. Not really ready to go get
real jobs, we decided to try running our own business.

The RTMX O/S (see web address below) has been a tremendous success.
We were NOT allowed to do anything else with UniFLEX (or FLEX) due
to severe restrictions in the license agreements we had to sign - so,
nothing new was done. As you can see - both products have died on the vine....

Each of you are certainly entitled some sort of explanation, and
to the degree possible, whatever support can be offered.

To that end.....I can only offer to try and locate any particular
item you might want, and then try retrive it and give it to you.


Thanks for taking the time to read this background info.

Randy Lewis
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+----------------------- RTMX Incorporated ---------------------+
|  Real Time IEEE POSIX Operating Systems, Tools & Techniques   |
|          http://www.rtmx.com                                  |
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
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| c/o                                                           |
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: K95 initial screen colors problem v1.1.4
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In article <4lqqui$hak@barad-dur.nas.com>,  <jholmes@sos.net> wrote:
: 
: I have the 1.1.4 version of Kermit-95. It's listed as item 91 in the bug
: notes as being fixed, the initial screen colors aren't the same as
: the ones that I've defined. Is there a way to solve this with this
: version?
: 
It will be fixed (again :-) in the next patch, which will also come with
some nice bonuses.

Meanwhile, there are various workarounds:

 . Hit the reset button (Alt-R).  But this also clears the screen.

 . If your host application has a "refresh screen" command, use it.

 . Prior to entering the terminal emulator, force creation of a new
   virtual screen buffer:

     set terminal color ...   ; First set your colors
     set term scrollback 256  ; Change size of scrollback buffer
     set term scrollback 5000 ; Change it again (to any size you want)

If you put these commands at the end of your K95CUSTOM.INI file, they will
always be executed.  However, if you are making a connection from the
Dialer, the Dialer will issue another set of SET TERM COLOR commands (but
without the scrollback-buffer trick) so undo the effect of those here.  

So if you are using the Dialer, another choice would be to put these
commands in a login script, which is invoked from the Login page of the
dialer entry.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Terminal Emulation: cursor control via mouse
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In article <17775B3EAS86.AMRHEIN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>,
amrhein,paul <AMRHEIN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU> wrote:
: I am currently incorporating the Kermit file transfer protocol into a
: terminal emulation program used in an IBM mainframe environment.
:  
: I have encountered a problem (not related to file transfer) that has me
: stumped.  I'd like to relocate the on-screen cursor with a click of the
: mouse.  The algorithm goes roughly like this:
:  
:       determine the current cursor coordinates
:       determine the coordinates of the mouse pointer when clicked
:       compute the number of arrow strokes (up, down, left, right) needed to
:               properly relocate the cursor
:       send these keystrokes
:  
: When I implement this algorithm, the mouse click sends the cursor flying
: about my screen in all directions (reminiscent of the old 'Pong' game), and
: it comes to rest in an unlikely position.  We have come to call this effect
: 'the rogue cursor.'
:  
How this sort of thing works depends on various factors.  First you should
be aware that arrow keys send different sequences depending on the
terminal type and what "mode" the cursor keypad is in.  The mode must
agree with the mode that the host application thinks they are in to
achieve the desired effect.

Second, the success of this technique depends on the screen management
model of the host application: is the screen represented as a n x m
rectangle filled with blanks all the way to the right margin, or is it
represented as a series of lines of varying length?

The best way to make this technique work is to try it yourself, by hand,
fingers on arrow keys, in many different situations, using many different
techniques, until you find the one that misbehaves the least, and then
program it that way.

- Frank

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In article <4lr8qf$b5a@titan.imsi.com>, Larry Martell <larrym@imsi.com> wrote:
: I"m trying to use C-Kermit to connect to a site with set host. But when I
: issue the command it says "Can't get address for ..." But outside of
: kermit I can telnet to that same site with no problem.
: 
: Could it be that I'm connecting through a firewall? To telnet I use the
: socks telnet. Is there a way to get kermit to know the address of the host
: and for it to go through the firewall.
: 
As you discovered later, you are indeed trying to push through a firewall.
There are various types of firewalls.  If yours is the type that can be
negotiated with SOCKS, and your computer has a Socks library, you can
rebuild to use the SOCKS library and then, provided the SOCKS
configuration is set up appropriately on your host (as it must be, since
Telnet works), you should now be able to make the same connections with
C-Kermit as you make with Telnet.  Here is an excerpt from the forthcoming
edition of the C-Kermit Configuration instructions document:

One firewall method is called SOCKS, in which a proxy server allows users
inside a firewall to access the outside world, based on a permission list
generally stored in a file.  SOCKS is enabled in one of two ways.  First, the
standard sockets library is modified to handle the firewall, and then all the
client applications are relinked (in systems where linking is not dynamic)
with the modified sockets library.  The APIs are all the same, so the
applications do not need to be recoded or recompiled.

In the other method, the applications must be modified to call replacement
routines, such as Raccept() instead of accept(), Rbind() instead of bind(),
etc, and then linked with a separate SOCKS library.  This second method is
accomplished in C-Kermit by including -DCK_SOCKS in your CFLAGS, and also
adding:

  -lsocks

to LIBS, or replacing -lsockets with -lsocks (depending on whether the socks
library also includes all the sockets entry points).

Explicit firewall support can, in general, not be a standard feature or a
feature that is selected at runtime, because the SOCKS library tends to be
different at each site -- local modifications abound.

The ideal situation occurs when firewalls are supported by the first method,
using dynamically linked sockets-replacement libraries; in this case, all your
TCP/IP client applications will negotiate the firewall transparently.

- Frank

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I have a question regarding the software pcAnywhere, maybe you can help.

Since I travel to overseas often, I need to have access to my office 
computer while I am away without paying international phone rate. Does 
pcAnywhere allow me to use the internet to connect both the remote and 
host computers?  Both of the computers are using PPP connection.  If not, 
is there any software or method you recommend?

Plase send me an e-mail.  Thanks in advance.


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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
:In article <4lnjc0$so1@gaia.ns.utk.edu>,
:Deutscher <sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> wrote:
::...
:: Nice. Will the OS/2 version be able to notify the host, too (or is it already
:: and its again one of those treasures I haven't found yet?).
:: 
:As Jeff pointed out, the OS/2 version -- like the MS-DOS version --
:already supports TELNET NAWS, but the Telnet server on the other end has
:to support it too.

Yup, I am just trying to find out what our UNIX boxes can do about it :-)

[snip]

:In a GUI program, we also can change screen dimensions by dragging the
:corner with the mouse.  On Telnet and Rlogin connections, GUI terminal
:emulators can send the appropriate Telnet or Rlogin protocol messages
:whenever this happens, as xterm users know.

Nice, still I was very pleased to read in Jeffrey's message that you
will continue to offer a console version, since this is one of the
many strong sides in my oppinion, that distinguishes Ckermit from the crowd:
You can use it fullscreen, text mode, _fast_. Say, w/o slip / ppp connection
and a 9.6 modem all I have to use multiple sessions over one dialup is
the UNIX screen command. CKermit swaps screens fast enough to make that
very pleasant, I'd expect  GUI  version to be slower. Just an example.
Over my ethernet connectoin OTHO I'd have no problem with a GUI version.
Anyway, the text mode interface was what caused me to ditch ZOC after I had
used it to d/l Ckermit, and hence I am happy.

::Will these things make it in the other releases, too, where appropriate?
::
:It depends on the platform.  If you are asking, will there be a product
:for OS/2 comparable to Kermit 95, the answer is "maybe".  Maybe you and
:other OS/2 users can help answer it.

Ahhhhhh, I see what's comming (and think it is justified).

:Obviously we want to please everybody, but there are not enough of us to
:do that, and in today's financial climate we have to focus our efforts
:where they will pay off best.  (Remember, the Kermit Project pays its own
:way.)

:To be candid, we could not give away a product for OS/2 that is the same
:as the one we are selling for Windows 95.  This is our bread and butter.
:Thus any new Kermit release for OS/2 would need to be a commercial-quality
:product.  But that requires a certain level of investment -- and I'm not
:just talking about programmer time, but also packaging and so on.

Well, if you were to include a CD-ROM with Ckermit in the Ckermit book you'd
keep packaging down. A friend of mine who runs a hw/sw company told me a
while ago that above a certain number of disk distributed CD-ROM is cheaper
than even one or two floppies, which is why AOL and people like this can
afford to keep sending me all this Windows stuff on CD-ROM, which in
my case make great coasters; it seems cheaper even than taking me out of 
their data base.

:The
:question is: would there ever be enough sales of an OS/2 product to recoup
:the original investment, or would we take a bath?

I can't answer this, since I am not all OS/2 users, but I can do two things:
I have already taken the liberty to crosspost this to comp.os.os2.comm, where
you maight get more exposure to that audience, and I can tell you what I
think. Another note though: Someone who reads a 'kermit' newsgroup is
probably already in the camp, so the feedback you'd get here might be more
positive than the average of all users out there.

:I don't mean to sound
:crass, but the newsgroups are full of postings whose gist is "Kermit is
:GREAT as long as I don't have to pay for it."  Kermit 95 users, it seems,
:have mostly gotten past that.

Well, I really can't resist, but people who don't mind paying for an 18bit
(on average) operating system that is inferior to things which are out for a
while already (inlcuding UNIces, OS/2, and NT) will probabaly even more
happily pay for good software that actually works reliably: CKermit. 

Now, that that is said, I have got the impression that CKermit users
are as loyal as are OS/2 users, so I'd expect the resulting set to be
similar: people stick with what works well. I also would assume that
posts regarding CKermit may actually be more of the "CKermit is great
_and_ it is even free" nature rather than of the " .. _as long_ as I
don't have to pay .." one.  I at least post the first version no matter
where one asks for good OS/2 communications software, and I also always
add that people may wish to buy the book to both get full control over
the package and to support the project.  I understand it is possible to
order CKermit from you guys for a charge, but naturally, you will see
less orders for something you can download and use legitimately for
free, than for software that has to be bought like CKermit/95. So I'd
expect your statistics to be influenzed by this fact.

:What about OS/2 users?  How do we know in advance if the investment is
:worth the risk?  With Windows 95 it was an easy decision.  With OS/2?  Not
:so easy.

I know. Windows is everywhere, so even if you capture only 10 % of its
market you will gain, OS/2 is a much smaller and, to be honest, also
way more critical market. People who use OS/2 do so because things like
Windows didn't fit their needs or expectations, be it just of uptimes
of 3+ weeks and heavy multitasking, that means they _have_ expectations
in the first place.

This is why simple ports of Windows software to OS/2 (like Wordperfect
once upon a time) will not be accepted too widely since they don't
utilize the power of OS/2's underlying SOM / WPS architecture: Often
they don't integrate with the OS but just look like a quick recompile.
(The frontend of Mathematica for OS/2 is another example.)

Luckily the OS/2 version you have put out is pretty impressive in my
mind, including native help files, all that is nice. Maybe a commercial
version should also accept some sort of dialing scripts which are
stored in a separate CKermit object file and can be double-clicked on
or droppend on the ckermit programme object to automate dialing and
such. I realize this can be done to some extent already by calling
ckermit with, I think -c or so, and having the WPS pass the script file
name to Ckermit, but this requires quite some knowledge or at least
familiarity with the OS and might be easier for new users if it was
installed as some sort of 'CKermit template' that has already the
association set to launch CKermit. Just an idea to support my point. To
sum it up: Windows software will sell, no matter what, just due to the
big market and its inherent inertia. The fact that Windows kept on
selling as it did is proof enough. If the Windows software is good, it
will sell even better.  OS/2 software will only sell when it is good,
because the OS has set some expectations.

::Btw, full information about Kermit 95 is available on the Web at:
::
:::   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
::
::Just a minor remark. I realize you have to and I hope you do make some
::money with Kermit '95, but does that mean that the URL has to look like
::there was only that?
::
:Just to clear up this misunderstanding: like it says, this is the URL for
:Kermit 95, not for all the other Kermit programs.  It was posted in a
:message that discusses Kermit 95.  The main Kermit URL is:
:  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
:The OS/2 C-Kermit URL is:
:  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html

Hm. Haven't checked your web page in a while, hm? :-) I _did_ try
the 'generic' URL; here we go:

Linkname: Kermit Communications Software
        URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

  K-95 Kermit for Windows 95 and NT

    - v1.1.4, 7 Mar 96
     * What is Kermit?
     * Licensing
     * Documentation
     * Technical Support
     * What's New - 14 Apr 96
     * What's Available and How to Get It
     * Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
     * Further information
     * Links to Other Sites


:In any case, I hope some of you OS/2 users can help us reach a decision.
:Look at the Kermit 95 licensing and pricing plans at the aforementioned
:Kermit 95 URL and see how they would settle with you or your company or
:institution.  In short... would you pay?

In short: yes, subject to certain restrictions, and I have already 
once buying the book. But then again, I used to write commercial software
myself and think it is perfectly fine to pay for things you use if the price
is in a proper relation to the product, and I think it is not right to use
illegally copied software, I try to make a contribution to the FSF and
buy Nutshell books where most stuff is out on the web, too. I may not be
typical.

I would not buy a GUI-only version. (Unless there is a non-GUI version
also which is either included or --- free, which would be the same on a
CDROM).

Now lets talk about the prices: First it would have to be reasonable, say
together with the book, shouldn't exceed the price of the OS (as one
threshold), or if it does, there should be a lite version, and it should 
probably not be more expensive than shareware registration fees for 
products like ZOC.
Second, there should be well priced site licensing schemes available, so
environments like universities and such can afford it and can allow their
students and such to afford it, w/o the handbook, which they should buy 
themselves if they wish. (That means there'd have to be the version with and
the version w/o CD around).
This would perhaps also buy you more customers in the long run, because 
most everybody seems to feel the urge to upgrade all the time and once 
students have left the university they may well _buy_ the next version.
Third, old versions should remain available at the original conditions.

This is what I can think of now. I also know that I am dying to get Tektronix
support and just started to shop around to find commercial offers for native
OS/2 tektronix emulators. I'd surely love to see this and my favourite comm
package (CKermit -- you guessed it) in one, maybe with a plugin module or
a moderately priced add-on to the base package. I realize that not many
people will be so eager to get Tektronix emulation, so I'd think it is fair
if I pay for it a bit extra. I'd even be happy with the rudimentary Tektronix
support NCSA telnet for MS-DOS has, of course the amazingly close-to perfect
emulation of EM4105, for instance, wouldn't be rejected either.

Also, it would be nice to allow ckermit to intergrate with external picture
viewers (like PM View) to allow viewing pictures, say, a weather map, as it
is being downloaded, w/o having to put all that stuff in the CKermit code
and blow it up to the size of ZOC. (I understand that, e.g. LifeWire can
do this integratin with PM View already). Granted, PM View is shareware, but
the point is it should be _possible_ and a documented interface rather than
building in all and every whistle.
Probably CKermit would need to be distributed with the littel add-in (p201
or so?) that allows to use xyz-modem transfers in addition to the kermit
protocol, and it would be interesting to see how the Finnish (I believe)
gentleman who wrote and made freely available this add-in would feel about
his code being part of a now commercial package. I think xyz modem are
essential. (I love kermit to death for uploads to my main frames, xyz never
get the job done, but for d/l I prefer sz, be it just for the transparent
handeling of file types and such.)

Did you consider going shareware rather than fully commercial? It seems at
leas in an office environment to be more annoying to be told that you use
unregistered software than that you use someone elses registered copy ...
Did you consider getting together with IBM about it? They distributed
lately a CD with demo versions of a boatload of commercial software
with contact info and such, and this might get you some exposure.
Did you consider posting a solicitaion in comp.os.os2.announce asking what
the OS/2 community would think about a commercial CKermit?


On a related note, maybe you could set up a web address for further
suggestions to CKermit (if you haven't done so, I didnt' check out your whole
site). Wolfram Research -- the Mathematica guys -- have an email address
suggestions@wri.com, as an example. I keep for most pieces of software I use
all the time a little file with notes where I collect ideas, bugs, and such,
and send them every now and then. I did this also when 191 was in beta.
This way I could beg more efficiently for file name completino also for
directories, and when using /, and for a transfer-option that is something
like 'basename-literal' to allow to transer file names from some other
than working directory w/o having suddenly the same directory structure on
the other machine). 

Anyway, I think this gets  bit to much in details. Feel free to send me email
if you wish.

Kind regards!    Stefan


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In article <4m06en$1bn@gaia.ns.utk.edu>,
Deutscher <sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: ...
: ::Btw, full information about Kermit 95 is available on the Web at:
: ::
: :::   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
: ::
: ::Just a minor remark. I realize you have to and I hope you do make some
: ::money with Kermit '95, but does that mean that the URL has to look like
: ::there was only that?
: ::
: :Just to clear up this misunderstanding: like it says, this is the URL for
: :Kermit 95, not for all the other Kermit programs.  It was posted in a
: :message that discusses Kermit 95.  The main Kermit URL is:
: :  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
: :The OS/2 C-Kermit URL is:
: :  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html
: 
: Hm. Haven't checked your web page in a while, hm? :-) I _did_ try
: the 'generic' URL; here we go:
: 
: Linkname: Kermit Communications Software
:         URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
: 
:   K-95 Kermit for Windows 95 and NT
: 
:     - v1.1.4, 7 Mar 96
:      * What is Kermit?
:      * Licensing
:      * Documentation
:      * Technical Support
:      * What's New - 14 Apr 96
:      * What's Available and How to Get It
:      * Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
:      * Further information
:      * Links to Other Sites
: 
Aha, now I see why people are confused.  This *is* the main Kermit page.
However, the way it is formatted by a text browser like Lynx makes it
look as if the first menu item is actually the title of the menu.

In fact, "K-95 Kermit for Windows 95 and NT - v1.1.4, 7 Mar 96" is the
first menu item, then "What is Kermit?" is the second one, and so on.

Thanks for pointing this out -- the arrangement has been changed to make it
a bit more clear.

- Frank

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From: megee@flopn2.dseg.ti.com (Robert Megee)
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I have no trouble dialing out with K95 even though my
modem wasn't one of the listed few.  My trouble is with 
hostmode.  the dialing machine dials, the host machine answers
the phone, the modems start to chatter and after the initial
burst, the host machine quits.  The message in the host window
indicates no carrier detected.  I put a command in the "mypref" 
part of the k95custom.ini to set the modem carrier to auto but 
it didn't work.  I've tried two different machines to do the
dialing and 3 different terminal software including kermit for linux.
I changed the modem setup from hardware to xon/xoff and tried
every speed combination.  I've got an internal v.34 28800 modem
that identifies it's self to win95 as a unimodem733c4e29  It's
supposed to be hayes compatible.  I've used it before for
dialin under linux.

any clues?

Thanks,
Robert Megee
megee@exwin.dseg.ti.com


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Robert Megee <megee@flopn2.dseg.ti.com> wrote:
: I have no trouble dialing out with K95 even though my
: modem wasn't one of the listed few.  My trouble is with 
: hostmode.  the dialing machine dials, the host machine answers
: the phone, the modems start to chatter and after the initial
: burst, the host machine quits.  The message in the host window
: indicates no carrier detected.
:
This is not a Kermit 95 problem.  Your modem is not successfully
negotiating a modulation and/or error-correction and/or data
compression method with the calling modem.  You will have to consult
your modem manual to find out what to do.  Most V.34 modems have
numerous settings regarding negotiation fallback, tone frequencies,
etc etc, and you check yours to be sure it is set for the most
normal and all-inclusive procedure:  enable all modulation fallbacks:
V.34 -> V.32bis -> V.32 -> V.22bis -> V.22 -> Bell 103 (in the USA);
enable all error-correction fallbacks: V.42 -> MNP; and enable all
data compression fallbacks: V.42bis -> MNP.  Set the modem up for
RTS/CTS (*not* Xon/Xoff) flow control and speed buffering.  Many
modern modems enter this mode automatically if you give them the
simple command to "restore factory settings", such as ATZ or AT&F0
or AT&F1, etc -- depending on the modem make and model.

An exception to the above procedure occurs with RPI (Rockwell Protocol
Interface) modems, which I sincerely hope you don't have.  In that
case you must disable everything: RPI, error-correction, data-compression,
flow-control, etc, because none of that will work.  If you still have
your modem packaging, look carefully at the fine print for the phrases
"RPI" or "software required" or "controllerless".

: I put a command in the "mypref" 
: part of the k95custom.ini to set the modem carrier to auto but 
: it didn't work.
:
That's the default anyway.  SET CARRIER tells Kermit 95 whether or
when to require a carrier signal; it has nothing to do making the
modem negotiate a successful connection. 

: I've tried two different machines to do the
: dialing and 3 different terminal software including kermit for linux.
: I changed the modem setup from hardware to xon/xoff and tried
: every speed combination.  I've got an internal v.34 28800 modem
: that identifies it's self to win95 as a unimodem733c4e29  It's
: supposed to be hayes compatible.  I've used it before for
: dialin under linux.
: 
If you can send us the the command summary for your modem, we can
probably get you up and running by setting up a "user-defined" modem
profile for your modem.  Send email to kermit@columbia.edu about this.

- Frank

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I am having difficulty saving information to a file.  When
I set my pc to terminal (connect I think), I then hit send 
on my other machine (a data collector), the file scrolls by
on screen and at this point I am stuck.
How can I get it to dump this info right into a file ?
tia
Kevin J Murphy


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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In article <4m06en$1bn@gaia.ns.utk.edu>,
: Deutscher <sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> wrote:
: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: : ...
: : ::Btw, full information about Kermit 95 is available on the Web at:
: : ::
: : :::   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
: : ::
: : ::Just a minor remark. I realize you have to and I hope you do make some
: : ::money with Kermit '95, but does that mean that the URL has to look like
: : ::there was only that?
: : ::
: : :Just to clear up this misunderstanding: like it says, this is the URL for
: : :Kermit 95, not for all the other Kermit programs.  It was posted in a
: : :message that discusses Kermit 95.  The main Kermit URL is:
: : :  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
: : :The OS/2 C-Kermit URL is:
: : :  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html
: : 
: : Hm. Haven't checked your web page in a while, hm? :-) I _did_ try
: : the 'generic' URL; here we go:
: : 
: : Linkname: Kermit Communications Software
: :         URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
: : 
: :   K-95 Kermit for Windows 95 and NT
: : 
: :     - v1.1.4, 7 Mar 96
: :      * What is Kermit?
: :      * Licensing
: :      * Documentation
: :      * Technical Support
: :      * What's New - 14 Apr 96
: :      * What's Available and How to Get It
: :      * Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
: :      * Further information
: :      * Links to Other Sites
: : 
: Aha, now I see why people are confused.  This *is* the main Kermit page.
: However, the way it is formatted by a text browser like Lynx makes it
: look as if the first menu item is actually the title of the menu.

Heck, I should have thought of that possibility and at least tried
WebExplorer before I moan. Sorry for the noise, and thanks for making
it more lynx-friendly. (Isn't it funny that a guy who begs for Tektronix
in C-Kermit can't seem to like graphical web browsers?).

Thanks again!   Stefan

: In fact, "K-95 Kermit for Windows 95 and NT - v1.1.4, 7 Mar 96" is the
: first menu item, then "What is Kermit?" is the second one, and so on.
: Thanks for pointing this out -- the arrangement has been changed to make it
: a bit more clear.

: - Frank

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From: "Sammi C. Naes" <samn@wuvmd.wustl.edu>
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I am having a problem with Focus Printing using Kermit 95 (hp laserjet 
4si printer).  I select Landscape but my print comes out portrait, and I 
only get the first two lines of each page.

Does anyone have any suggestions?


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In article <4m5ufg$jcf@newsreader.wustl.edu>,
Sammi C. Naes <samn@wuvmd.wustl.edu> wrote:
: I am having a problem with Focus Printing using Kermit 95 (hp laserjet 
: 4si printer).  I select Landscape but my print comes out portrait, and I 
: only get the first two lines of each page.
: 
I take it Focus is the name of your host application.  And it has a
"transparent print" feature that sends text to your PC's printer?

Well, first of all, Kermit acts just like a real VT terminal with respect
to printing -- it does not have printer / page setups, etc, for selection
of orientation, fonts, and so on, any more than a VT terminal does.  It
simply redirects the transparent print bytes to the printer.  It would be
the responsibility of the host application to format the output
appropriately for the printer.

Second, there is a well-known and age-old problem with the PC printing
text from host, namely that underlying operating system tends to forget to
tell the printer when the job is done, and therefore to send out the last
(or only) page.  This might or might not be happening in your case.
Probably not, since you say the pages actually do come out, but only have
two lines on them.

The best course in a case like this is to collect a session log
demonstrating the problem, uuencode it, and send it by email to
kermit-support@columbia.edu together with a brief description of the
problem.

- Frank

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Subject: Calling DOS programs from Host.
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We run an application under OpenVMS on an Alpha system.  The terminals for 
this are DOS machines running MSKermit 3.01.  For one of our projects we need 
to run a DOS Application in the middle of the session.  

Is there a way for the VMS application to tell the Kermit terminal to stop doing 
terminal emulation now, run prog.exe under DOS passing it the parameters
X and Y, and when prog.exe is done return result Z to the VMS application?

Thank you.

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In article <4m87bc$m9s@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>,  <peteg@ibm.net> wrote:
: We run an application under OpenVMS on an Alpha system.  The terminals for
: this are DOS machines running MSKermit 3.01.  For one of our projects we
: need to run a DOS Application in the middle of the session.
: 
: Is there a way for the VMS application to tell the Kermit terminal to stop
: doing terminal emulation now, run prog.exe under DOS passing it the
: parameters X and Y, and when prog.exe is done return result Z to the VMS
: application?
: 
Yes.  First upgrade to current Kermit versions on VMS (5a(190)) and MS-DOS
(3.14).  Then in the update notes (CKCKER.UPD for VMS or KERMIT.UPD for DOS),
read about the APC mechanism.  It is exactly what you need.

- Frank

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From: Terry Carmen <tpcarmen@servtech.com>
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Greetings!

I've got an *extremely* shakey System V Rel. 3 / Sys V/386 5.3a unix 
box that I need to transfer some data from.

Unfortunately, the full-height 200 meg drive uses an unknown controller, the 
tape drive hasn't worked in years and there's no network connection. Just 
to make my life more interesting, the original installer didn't include any 
comm software or the c compiler.

If anybody could email me a compiled Kermit binary for this system, it would 
make me a very happy (and much calmer) person.

Thanks for the help!

Terry






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peteg@ibm.net wrote:
: We run an application under OpenVMS on an Alpha system.  The terminals for 
: this are DOS machines running MSKermit 3.01.  For one of our projects we need 
: to run a DOS Application in the middle of the session.  

: Is there a way for the VMS application to tell the Kermit terminal to stop doing 
: terminal emulation now, run prog.exe under DOS passing it the parameters
: X and Y, and when prog.exe is done return result Z to the VMS application?

You need the current version of MSKermit (3.14), and probably a newer VMS
kermit as well (my Unix version is 190 or 191).
This will give you "APC" calls, which let the host tell the client to do
things, including '\033_run prog.exe xxx yyy '

The only problem I've run into with this scheme is limited memory on the PC,
while "shelled out" to DOS.
You might want to make your first APC call '\033_run mem ', just to see how
much memory you have for your target program.

Kermit is available on the Internet via anonymous ftp from host 
watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]
kermit/read.me kermit/bin/read.me explain file locations.

http://www.columbia.edu/kermit

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From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford)
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In article <4m6d48$4n4@nw002.infi.net> jvogel <jvogel@fyiowa.infi.net> writes:
>
> I would like to find a good Wyse 60 emulator which runs under windows 
> 3.1*. Prefer freeware/shareware, but will consider commercial products as 
> well. Cost per seat should be <$50. Ideal product is stable, easy to use, 
> has low memory requirements, and at least a rudimentary script 
> capability. Any recommendations? TIA.
>

MS-Kermit for MS-DOS (version 3.14 by Joe Doupnik) might do the job.

 - It can run nicely in a DOS box under Windows 3.1  (or at least
   as nicely as any serial-communication program runs under Win3.1).

 - It can emulate a Wyse 50, which differs from a Wyse 60 only in ways 
   that are generally negligible.*

 - Three different sub-versions are available, with the idea of keeping
   memory use low if you don't need certain fancy features.

 - Extensive scripting is possible.

 - Extensive support for non-English character sets.

 - The software itself can be obtained via the Internet....

        http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/howtoget.html

   ...although you'll want to purchase copies of the documentation:

   \Using MS-DOS Kermit/, 2nd edition, by Christine M. Gianone.
    Woburn, Massachusetts: Digital Press/Butterworth-Heinemann, 1992,
    345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS
    Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.
    In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University
    or from the publisher, Digital Press, or from Book Stacks Unlimited.

    The following is a Web URL for the last source:

        http://www.books.com/scripts/view.exe?isbn~1555580823

    The package price is around $40 (US). 

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While I'm at it, I'll advertise the URL of my Web page of my archive of
general information on video terminals.

    http://www.cs.utk.edu/~shuford/terminal_index.html

where other options may be explored.

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In article <4m87bc$m9s@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, peteg@ibm.net writes:
> We run an application under OpenVMS on an Alpha system.  The terminals for 
> this are DOS machines running MSKermit 3.01.  For one of our projects we need 
> to run a DOS Application in the middle of the session.  
> 
> Is there a way for the VMS application to tell the Kermit terminal to stop doing 
> terminal emulation now, run prog.exe under DOS passing it the parameters
> X and Y, and when prog.exe is done return result Z to the VMS application?
> 
> Thank you.
---------
	Yes, there is, but you will need to do two simple things first.
These are a) obtain the current release v3.14 from kermit.columbia.edu
as binary file msvibm.zip from directory kermit/msdos, and b) please
read the enclosed docs on the APC command.
	There is one small hiccup: DOS result passing. The only results
movable will be in files. Kermit isn't a RPC mechanism. So redirect
the output of the program to one or more files and figure out how the
VAX end wants to receive the information (raw binary from TRANSMIT command
or the far better Kermit file transfer).
        Joe D.

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From: dastow@vcn.bc.ca (David Stow)
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I am trying to set a 286 computer with an AST Coax-II CUT terminal 
emulator board to connect with a remote IBM mainframe and I haven't done 
this before.  If anyone has had success making a similar connection, 
could you tell me what equipment and programs you used?  Do I need a 
cluster controller and synchronous modem at my end?  If so, do I need to 
set Mskermit differently to use a synchronous modem?

Thanks,
David Stow

P.S.  Can you point me to any FAQ's or recommend any books on the subject?


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From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers)
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In article 5175 of newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc,
0002016821@mcimail.com writes:
> I am having difficulty saving information to a file.  When
> I set my pc to terminal (connect I think), I then hit send 
> on my other machine (a data collector), the file scrolls by
> on screen and at this point I am stuck.
> How can I get it to dump this info right into a file ?
> tia
> Kevin J Murphy
------------------------------------------------------------
This sounds as if you mean an ASCII (plain text) file, in which
case you want to tell Kermit to LOG SESSION [optional file name]
before CONNECT, so that everything that appears on or scrolls by
your terminal screen will be captured.  To close the session log,
exit from the CONNECT mode (by means appropriate to your Kermit,
such as ALT+X for MS-DOS) and either CLOSE SESSION or exit Kermit.

If it happens that you are using a terminal emulator other than
Kermit, it may instead have an "Ascii transfer" function which
does essentially the same thing.

If both computers have Kermit, then you might want instead to let
Kermit do the file transfer, using SEND on one machine and RECEIVE
on the other (or SERVER on one machine and GET or SEND on the other).

Hope this helps!
----------------------------------
Best Wishes,
John H Meyers ( jhmeyers@mum.edu )
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From: ksmith@rosenet.net
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Subject: K-95 Dasher emmulation
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I'm trying to connect locally from a PC W95 system to a Data General host to 
access CEO and AOS/VS.  When I connect the LF and CR don't work right and set 
term newline doesn't fix it.  I'd appreciate advice on where to find out how to 
set the terminal to emmulate a D463? 


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From: ehat@halcyon.com (Edward Hatfield)
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Subject: Re: Sending XModem through C-Kermit
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I don't mean to whin, but...

I would really appreciate any ideas on this problem from anyone who's
been up the same creek without propulsion.(:-0)

Thanks (in desperation),

Edward.


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <N.050396.140149.31@ppp032.rosenet.net>,
 <ksmith@rosenet.net> wrote:
: I'm trying to connect locally from a PC W95 system to a Data General
: host to access CEO and AOS/VS.  When I connect the LF and CR don't work
: right and set term newline doesn't fix it.  I'd appreciate advice on
: where to find out how to set the terminal to emmulate a D463?
: 
Pay somebody about $50,000 to do the necessary year of work?

Your other alternative is to access the Data General system in VT100 mode.
Give the following command to the AOS/VS CLI:

  char/on/xlt/nas

as soon as you log in, and then Kermit 95 (in VT100, VT102, VT220, or
VT320 mode) should work find as a terminal emulator with AOS/VS.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Mskermit with 3270 terminal emulator
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In article <4mfi67$nac@milo.vcn.bc.ca>, David Stow <dastow@vcn.bc.ca> wrote:
: I am trying to set a 286 computer with an AST Coax-II CUT terminal 
: emulator board to connect with a remote IBM mainframe and I haven't done 
: this before.  If anyone has had success making a similar connection, 
: could you tell me what equipment and programs you used?  Do I need a 
: cluster controller and synchronous modem at my end?
:
You need to connect the board to a coax cable that is connected to a cluster
controller.

: If so, do I need to 
: set Mskermit differently to use a synchronous modem?
: 
MS-DOS Kermit does not do 3270 emulation, and it does not know how to use
Coax boards.  You'll need to find some other software, most likely commercial.
Sorry.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Sending XModem through C-Kermit
Date: 6 May 1996 17:17:30 GMT
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In article <4mjrhk$lug@news.halcyon.com>,
Edward Hatfield <ehat@halcyon.com> wrote:
: I don't mean to whin, but...
: 
: I would really appreciate any ideas on this problem from anyone who's
: been up the same creek without propulsion.(:-0)
: 
I assume you mean you are connected from computer A to computer B using
some kind of terminal program that has Xmodem, and then you are running
C-kermit on computer B to connect to computer C, and you want to transfer
a file between computers A and C using Xmodem protocol.

Sorry, it usually can't be done, at least not if you are uploading
(sending the file from A to C).  The reason is that C-Kermit, in CONNECT
mode, has an escape character that is used to let you get back to command
mode -- just like Telnet.  The problem is that this escape character is
likely -- in fact almost certain -- to appear in an Xmodem packet.  If
Xmodem encoded ("escaped") control characters there would be no problem.

The inflexibility of Xmodem is one of the major reasons that more advanced
protocols were designed.  You should be able to transfer files on this type
of connection using Zmodem or Kermit protocol.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Hi everybody.  I'd like to start collecting information on the device
names that are usually assigned to dialout devices on different varieties
of UNIX, especially when the names vary according to whether the device
has modem control or not, or has hardware flow control or not, or is
"hardwired" or not, etc.  I'd appreciate it you could send me, by direct
email, the following info:

  UNIX operating system name and version:
  Device name of dialout device with modem control:
  Device name of dialout device with hardware flow control:
  Device name of hardwired or direct-connect serial device:

(Obviously not all UNIX varieties make all of these distinctions).

Thanks!

- Frank

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From: megee@exwin.dseg.ti.com (Robert Megee)
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I was able to get it to work in server mode by going to a dos prompt and
runnint K95 interactively.  Before going into server mode, all I had
to do was issue the command ats0=1 to the modem so it would pick up
the phone.  This verifies what you said about the modem not being
set correctly.  I'll play with it to get the correct setting for the
batch program.  Thanks for the help

Robert

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Subject: Re: Sending XModem through C-Kermit
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Edward Hatfield (ehat@halcyon.com) wrote:

: I would really appreciate any ideas on this problem from anyone who's
: been up the same creek without propulsion.(:-0)

If you wait for the next release of c-kermit...

Or, in the meantime, if you have an _old_ version of x/y/zmodem, which is
public domain, the line is simple, in my .kermrc.
The newer versions of x/y/zmodem (after 1988?) don't allow redirection of
/dev/tty, without hacking the code, right near a comment that you shouldn't
hack this particular section of code ;-)

define rz !rz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sz !sz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)

(The sz/rz that works is from 4/27/88)

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                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher)
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In article <4mfi67$nac@milo.vcn.bc.ca>, David Stow <dastow@vcn.bc.ca> wrote:
: : I am trying to set a 286 computer with an AST Coax-II CUT terminal 
: : emulator board to connect with a remote IBM mainframe and I haven't done 
: : this before.  If anyone has had success making a similar connection, 
: : could you tell me what equipment and programs you used?  Do I need a 
: : cluster controller and synchronous modem at my end?
: :
: You need to connect the board to a coax cable that is connected to a cluster
: controller.

: : If so, do I need to 
: : set Mskermit differently to use a synchronous modem?
: : 
: MS-DOS Kermit does not do 3270 emulation, and it does not know how to use
: Coax boards.  You'll need to find some other software, most likely commercial.
: Sorry.

: - Frank

How about using NCSA telnet? It is available for DOS (we use it still on some
machines in an OS/2 window) and has been enhanced to handle tn3270 just fine.
Oh -- it is free, and I assume most universities even distriute it.   Stefan

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From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers)
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Subject: Kermit for Altos Xenix 3.4b ?
Date: 7 May 1996 00:13:07 GMT
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Yes, there still exist Altos 2086 computers (286 CPU), running Xenix 3.4b

I would be most pleased to find a Kermit which runs on it;
thank you for any leads!

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Best Wishes,
John H Meyers ( jhmeyers@mum.edu )

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit for Altos Xenix 3.4b ?
Date: 7 May 1996 22:55:16 GMT
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In article <4mm4ij$5fu@news.iastate.edu>,
John H Meyers <jhmeyers@miu.edu> wrote:
: Yes, there still exist Altos 2086 computers (286 CPU), running Xenix 3.4b
: I would be most pleased to find a Kermit which runs on it;
: thank you for any leads!
: 
C-Kermit 5A(190) can be built for the Altos.  Get the sources and makefile and
try "make altos".  I can't swear that this will work, but at least it did
during some previous C-Kermit incarnation.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode,
file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).

  NOTE: If you're interested in testing something newer, go to
  kermit/test/bin for cku192.tar.{Z,gz} rather than kermit/archives.

Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and
then give the appropriate "make" command, in this case:

  make altos

Let me know how it goes.

- Frank

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This is to announce that Kermit 95 communication software, previously
available for Windows 95 and for Windows NT on Intel and PowerPC
platforms, is now also available for Windows NT (3.51 or later) on the
Digital Equipment Corporation 64-bit Alpha AXP platform.  For details, see
the Kermit 95 Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

Frank da Cruz
Manager, The Kermit Project
Columbia University

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From: hoang2@cadserv1.tedix.sccsi.com (Ted Hoang #2)
Subject: How to run sz & rz within Unix Kermit
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Hi,
Could someone tell me how to transfer file using sz and rz within Unix Kermit
run on both sides of the Unix servers.
Thanks in advance,
Ted

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: How to run sz & rz within Unix Kermit
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In article <Dr1Hxq.B75@cadserv1.tedix.sccsi.com>,
Ted Hoang #2 <hoang2@cadserv1.tedix.sccsi.com> wrote:
: Could someone tell me how to transfer file using sz and rz within 
: Unix Kermit run on both sides of the Unix servers.
:
First of all, if you have C-Kermit on both ends, you don't need to use sz
and rz.  C-Kermit goes just as fast, or faster, if you tune it for speed.
More about tuning Kermit for speed in our FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

But yes, you can use rz and sz from C-Kermit if you want, provided it
is a version of rz/sz that allows its standard i/o to be redirected over
Kermit's SET LINE or SET HOST connection (only very old versions allow this,
or else licensed versions of Professional YAM from Omen Technology).

Get the current version of C-Kermit, 5A(190), if you don't have it already
and then read section 8 of the ckcker.upd file for instructions.  C-Kermit
5A(190) is available as follows:

The complete package, including source code, initialization files,
installation instructions, documentation updates, hints and tips files,
etc, but NOT binary executables:

anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary
mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).

  NOTE: If you're interested in testing something newer, go to
  kermit/test/bin rather than kermit/archives.

Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and
then give the appropriate "make" command, for example:

  make linux
  make solaris2x
  make hpux90

which should produce an executable called "wermit".  Try it out and if it's
OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin.
Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions, and
please purchase the manual, "Using C-Kermit", if you don't already have it.

- Frank

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Subject: Re: How to run sz & rz within Unix Kermit
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Clarence Dold (dold@rahul.net) wrote:

: The only time sz is of value is when you are connecting to a source that
: doesn't offer a good kermit implementation.  In those cases, I use:

: define rz !time rz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
: define sz !time sz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)

What I forgot to mention, since I don't use this much, is that the screen
display from sz is poor, and on small files, you really can't tell if the
file transferred or not.  The display is only updated modulo blocksize.
On large files, the reported transfer from the updating display is always
the nearest blocksize below the file size.

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Ted Hoang #2 (hoang2@cadserv1.tedix.sccsi.com) wrote:

: Could someone tell me how to transfer file using sz and rz within Unix Kermit
: run on both sides of the Unix servers.

>From unix to unix, with ckermit version 190 available on both ends, there is
no reason to run sz.  You might need to adjust windows and packets to larger
than defaults, but I wouldn't bother running sz.

The only time sz is of value is when you are connecting to a source that
doesn't offer a good kermit implementation.  In those cases, I use:

define rz !time rz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sz !time sz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)

These only work if you have the 1988 version of sz.

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From: Thomas Dzubin <dzubint@vcn.bc.ca>
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
 >
 >This is to announce that Kermit 95 communication software, previously
 >available for Windows 95 and for Windows NT on Intel and PowerPC
 >platforms, is now also available for Windows NT (3.51 or later) on the
 >Digital Equipment Corporation 64-bit Alpha AXP platform.  For details, 

I wish it were called Kermit-NT, then.  I make it a habit to stay away
from all the lovely products that have "95" appended to it.  :-)

(Unless of course, someone comes out with VMS-95, or RSX-11-95)  :-)


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In article <4mqnio$ole@fountain.mindlink.net>,
Thomas Dzubin  <dzubint@vcn.bc.ca> wrote:
: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
:  >This is to announce that Kermit 95 communication software, previously
:  >available for Windows 95 and for Windows NT on Intel and PowerPC
:  >platforms, is now also available for Windows NT (3.51 or later) on the
:  >Digital Equipment Corporation 64-bit Alpha AXP platform.  ...
: 
: I wish it were called Kermit-NT, then.  I make it a habit to stay away
: from all the lovely products that have "95" appended to it.  :-)
: 
You can call it Kermit-NT if you want to :-) There is nothing warmed-over
about Kermit 95 on NT.  It uses built-in Winsock and multiple threads, it
understands NTFS, and it is one of the few -- if not the only -- native
(i.e. not 16-bit) communications applications that does run on Windows NT
on Intel, PowerPC, and Alpha, as well as on Windows 95.  It is developed 
in parallel on Windows NT and Windows 95.

- Frank

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What do you think Windows/NT is, if not an Intel almost-port of VMS?

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In article <4mt1cl$huq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, 
   fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> : 
> You can call it Kermit-NT if you want to :-) There is nothing warmed-over
> about Kermit 95 on NT.

    Does it still use "console mode" for the actual terminal
emulation ( no font selection, one size fits none, scrolling rather
slow, doesn't respond immediately to xon/xoff ). All the nice features
in K95 don't seem worth it when one is stuck with that ugly little box.
The old MSDOS Kermit is more pleasant to use on Win 95 than K95 is :-(

    I suppose peoples priorities differ, but I don't understand why you'd
go to the trouble to preload hundreds of sites I have no interest in
visiting while leaving the basic terminal emulator in such bad shape.

    I'd sure love to hear this is fixed, because I sure can't recommend
people buy K95 in its current form.

    Sorry about the rant, just a very dissatisfied K95 customer ...

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Malcolm Dunnett    Malaspina University-College     Email: dunnett@mala.bc.ca
Computer Services  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5       Tel: (604)755-8738

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Help...

I've been diligently working away at a nightly polling script (replacing a UUCP setup) and am 
banging my head against the fact that ckermit seems to want to rename the case on a server send 
and also does not like the double periods in a compressed file (it shifts to lower case and replaces 
the second period with an "x") any help would be appreciated.

e.g. transfering ABC0123.KLM.Z results in abc0123.klmxz

Thank You

Ed Gibson
e.gibson@linkd.net


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In article <1996May9.123409@malad1.mala.bc.ca>,
Malcolm Dunnett <dunnett@mala.bc.ca> wrote:
: In article <4mt1cl$huq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, 
:  fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
: > : 
: > You can call it Kermit-NT if you want to :-) There is nothing warmed-over
: > about Kermit 95 on NT.
: 
: Does it still use "console mode" for the actual terminal
: emulation ( no font selection, one size fits none, scrolling rather
: slow, doesn't respond immediately to xon/xoff ). All the nice features
: in K95 don't seem worth it when one is stuck with that ugly little box.
: 
Yes, it still uses console mode.  Believe me, if the full-GUI version were
ready, we would not be concealing the fact (and yes, we are still working
hard on the full-GUI version).  BUT...  you can select any font that
appears in the font menu, in any size that is offered.

Scrolling is not particularly slow -- Kermit 95 has just about the fastest
times on scrolling tests of any terminal emulator (although for some video
boards, reportedly the NT drivers can be noticably slower than the Windows
95 drivers -- there's not much Kermit can do about that).  Converting from
console mode to GUI is not likely to make it go faster -- more likely the
opposite.  Reportedly, however, scrolling operations will go a lot faster
in NT 4.0.

Xon/Xoff is implemented in the Windows serial port driver -- its behavior
is a property of the operating system, not of Kermit.

As to the ugly little box -- you can change it to be any size or
dimensions you want in Windows NT.  Windows 95 has bugs that prevent
"strange" dimensions from being selected, but NT does not suffer from
them.  Look at the screen shots on our Web page -- Terminal windows of all
sizes, shapes, and colors; read the reviews there too -- sizeability of
the terminal window is one of the features that people like best.  And you
can also change the font, the font size, and the coloration to suite your
needs and tastes.

For some very useful hints along these lines, see Vince Fatica's "Kermit
95 Bits" Web page:

  http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/k95bits.html

: I suppose peoples priorities differ, but I don't understand why you'd
: go to the trouble to preload hundreds of sites I have no interest in
: visiting while leaving the basic terminal emulator in such bad shape.
: 
I think our terminal emulator is one of the best.  If you have specific
complaints about it, let's hear them.  The ones above are mostly off base.

: I'd sure love to hear this is fixed, because I sure can't recommend
: people buy K95 in its current form.
: Sorry about the rant, just a very dissatisfied K95 customer ...
: 
Work with us and you'll be more satisfied.  If you have questions, send
email to kermit-support@columbia.edu and we'll be glad to answer them.
If you have problems, we'll be glad to work with you to solve them.

That's what we're here for.

- Frank

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In article <4mtqio$68j@nr1.ottawa.istar.net>,  <e.gibson@linkd.net> wrote:
: I've been diligently working away at a nightly polling script (replacing a
: UUCP setup) and am banging my head against the fact that ckermit seems to
: want to rename the case on a server send and also does not like the double
: periods in a compressed file (it shifts to lower case and replaces the
: second period with an "x") any help would be appreciated.
: 
: e.g. transfering ABC0123.KLM.Z results in abc0123.klmxz
: 
As explained in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", which you should have if you
are writing scripts, there is a command that governs this feature, just as
there is a command that governs just about every other feature.  In this case
the command is:

  set file names literal

- Frank

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In article <4mu21f$590@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
     fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

> : 
> Yes, it still uses console mode.  Believe me, if the full-GUI version were
> ready, we would not be concealing the fact (and yes, we are still working
> hard on the full-GUI version).  BUT...  you can select any font that
> appears in the font menu, in any size that is offered.
> 

    You're right, I figured this out after posting the last message. The
problem is that on NT 4.0 there is no menu bar on the console box, as there
is on Win 95. Once I tried the magic "right click while the cursor
is on the title bar" I found the properties menu and was able to change
the font size ( rather awkward but I suppose you don't have any control
over that ).

> 
> Xon/Xoff is implemented in the Windows serial port driver -- its behavior
> is a property of the operating system, not of Kermit.
> 

     Sorry, I should have been more specific - it's with Telnet sessions
that I'm seeing this. Of course it's not really using Xon/Xoff in this case,
but the effect should still be the same ( ie when I hit ^S I'd like the
display to freeze immediately, not 10 or 20 lines later )

> : 
> I think our terminal emulator is one of the best.  If you have specific
> complaints about it, let's hear them.  The ones above are mostly off base.
> 

   I've always maintained Kermit is one of the best terminal emulators
around in terms of responding the same way a real terminal would. The
problem is that it seems windows users don't want to accept
"dos box" applications, they want to be able to interact with their
terminal emulator the same way they would any other windows app. As long
as K95 uses the console mode for all its real work I can't see people
here accepting it.

   It was terribly disappointing to open up K95 box and run into this.
I'd say K95 is a pretty good program, but it leaves a poor first
impression.

   I guess I was just venting my frustration in the last post. Sorry about
that.

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=============================================================================
Malcolm Dunnett    Malaspina University-College     Email: dunnett@mala.bc.ca
Computer Services  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5       Tel: (604)755-8738

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In article <1996May10.102217@malad1.mala.bc.ca>,
Malcolm Dunnett <dunnett@mala.bc.ca> wrote:
: In article <4mu21f$590@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
:      fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
: > Xon/Xoff is implemented in the Windows serial port driver -- its behavior
: > is a property of the operating system, not of Kermit.
: > 
: Sorry, I should have been more specific - it's with Telnet sessions
: that I'm seeing this. Of course it's not really using Xon/Xoff in this case,
: but the effect should still be the same ( ie when I hit ^S I'd like the
: display to freeze immediately, not 10 or 20 lines later )
: 
I don't think there is much that any Telnet client can do about this.
The problem is that by the time the Xoff reaches the other side, there is
already, potentially, a huge amount of stuff "in the pipe", on its way to
your screen.

So instead of using Ctrl-S, just hit the "Scroll Lock" key.  It acts
immediately.

: I've always maintained Kermit is one of the best terminal emulators
: around in terms of responding the same way a real terminal would. The
: problem is that it seems windows users don't want to accept
: "dos box" applications, they want to be able to interact with their
: terminal emulator the same way they would any other windows app. As long
: as K95 uses the console mode for all its real work I can't see people
: here accepting it.
: 
: It was terribly disappointing to open up K95 box and run into this.
: I'd say K95 is a pretty good program, but it leaves a poor first
: impression.
: 
That's why we are so scrupulous about describing exactly what it is on 
our Web page, which is the only place we publicize Kermit 95 (aside from
newsgroup postings, which all point to the Web page):

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

Actually, reception has been better than you might expect.  Most people
who spend a lot of time in a terminal emulator value its features, speed,
responsiveness, and flexibility more than its user interface, since they
use the user interface only briefly to make the connection, and from that
point on are in a "world of text" anyway, GUI or no GUI.

In any case, I agree that -- especially in the mass market -- the fact that
Kermit 95 is mostly a console application might indeed leave a bad first
impression on many people.  That's why we are working so hard to bring you
a full GUI version, rather than, say, working to add major new features
(like, say, 3270 emulation) to the console version.

Watch comp.protocols.kermit.misc for announcements.

- Frank

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Subject: Problem with mskermit and zoom modem
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I am using ms-kermit to connect my pc to a remote unix network via a
zoom 14400 modem. I have a problem with file transfers (I read the
manual; couldn't find a clue).

When I connect to the network from home and transfer files from
C-kermit to my ms-kermit, everything goes fine. But when I do the
transfers in the other direction, the speed drops to the minimum (1200
bps). 

I have tried several combinations of set window, set send/receive
block sizes, terminals, etc., with no success. I use the zoom script
in version 3.14 for the dial command. I have also tried to change
different settings there.

Has anybody experienced this problem? How can I fix it?

Thanks,

Jose' Olivares
olivares@emba.uvm.edu

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In article <4mvog6$gn0@swen.emba.uvm.edu>,
Jose Olivares <olivares@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP> wrote:
: I am using ms-kermit to connect my pc to a remote unix network via a
: zoom 14400 modem. I have a problem with file transfers (I read the
: manual; couldn't find a clue).
: 
: When I connect to the network from home and transfer files from
: C-kermit to my ms-kermit, everything goes fine. But when I do the
: transfers in the other direction, the speed drops to the minimum (1200
: bps). 
: 
: I have tried several combinations of set window, set send/receive
: block sizes, terminals, etc., with no success. I use the zoom script
: in version 3.14 for the dial command. I have also tried to change
: different settings there.
: 
There are two likely explanations.  First is that you have different
settings in the host-to-PC direction than you do in the PC-to-host
direction:

 . Tell BOTH Kermits to "set window 4" (or whatever)
 . Tell the RECEIVING Kermit to "set receive packet-length 2000" (or whatever)

Since you are using the ZOOM dialing script, that means you have enabled
RTS/CTS flow control between the PC and your modem.  Which brings up the
second possibility: the terminal server at your university either lacks
flow control for incoming data (as, for example, Cisco ASM-series terminal
servers do), or it is not configured symmetrically.

If this is the problem, it can be fixed only by the network administrators 
at your site; for example, by replacing Cisco ASMs with newer models that
support bidirectional RTS/CTS flow control -- an expensive proposition.

- Frank

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In article <x7loj23pj5.fsf@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu>, Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> 
>>>>>> "TD" == Thomas Dzubin <dzubint@vcn.bc.ca> writes:
> 
> TD> (Unless of course, someone comes out with VMS-95, or RSX-11-95)  :-)
>                                               ^^^^^^
> What do you think Windows/NT is, if not an Intel almost-port of VMS?

I don't think so, at least not from a user perspective.  It's true that
Dave Cutler was one of the main architects behind both systems, but I
use and program on both Windows NT and VMS all the time, and although
NT has a couple of minor concepts in its programming interface that
might have been borrowed (with HEAVY modification) from VMS, they are
nearly as different from each other as either one is from, for example,
Unix.  It's possible that the kernel architecture of NT is more similar
to that of VMS -- I'm more familiar with the kernel-level details of
VMS than I am of NT.  (Though that might change.  It looks possible
that I might be writing some device drivers for NT before too long).
But _all_ of the user interface, and most of the programming API, of
Windows NT looks more like Windows than it does like VMS.  Fortunately
the kernel is much more stable and protects itself from out-of-control
apps much better than that of  Windows 3.1 and 95, but for the purposes
of running a system that's "similar to" another one from a user's or
programmer's perspective, that's an entirely different issue.

Bruce C. Wright

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(Crossposted and followups set to comp.protocols.kermit.misc for
obvious reasons.)

Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.telly.org> wrote:
|While you're begging

"Begging"???  A question on whether an academic discount exists for a
particular product != "begging," last time I checked.

[Snip]

|So a request from someone Columbia to give its educational users a
|break comes across as more than a bit hollow.

[Snip]

|I know you don't speak for Frank and the other folks working on
|Kermit,

Gee, how kind of you to point that out.

|but their refusal to GPL their code,

I think the GPL is a Good Thing.  However, the Kermit people, in my
opinion, can do whatever they want with the code and how it is
distributed.  Refusal to GPL Kermit is not a sin.  Annoying to some?
Sure.  Many?  Perhaps.  Within Columbia's rights to do so?
Absolutely.

|and their hostility to anything that even smacks of commercialism
|unless it's Columbia doing the exploitation, sucks big time.

How does refusing to allow Kermit to be distributed on CDs or from
non-Columbia archives = "Columbia doing the exploitation"?  Kermit is
free, always has been.  The Win95 version is different, of course, but
then that's always been a commercial, shrink-wrapped product.

No, your problem is that Columbia does not do it Your Way, therefore
they are Evil.

|And the sight of someone from cc.columbia.edu asking for breaks from
|commercial vendors is just too ironic.

I'm sure Frank da Cruz is glad I'm willing to take the stripes on his
behalf.  Anyone want to blame me for Charles Van Doran and the '68
riots, while we're at it?

(For the record and by sheer serendipity, I *do* happen to be an
employee of the same division of the university as the Kermit people,
though not in the same department; in a year and a half of part-time
employment I've never met any of 'em and quite possibly never will.
Obviously, I am speaking on my own behalf and *not* for Columbia
University, Academic Information Systems, the Kermit project, or NBC's
Thursday night lineup.)
-- 
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In article <slrn4parat.462.ylee@simile.cc.columbia.edu>,
Yeechang Lee <ylee@simile.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> wrote:
: | Columbia is one university that isn't cutting commercial users *any*
: | slack (they won't even allow their code to be put on a CD-ROM archive,
: | though it is freely downloadable) ...  their refusal to GPL their
: | code, and their hostility to anything that even smacks of commercialism
: | unless it's Columbia doing the exploitation, sucks big time.
: ...
We would all like it if everything were free.  The nice thing about most
Kermit programs is that they are, indeed, free.  People take them all the
time -- thousands of times a day according to our ftp statistics -- and
use them without paying a penny.  And then they get free tech support by
email or newsgroup, or low-cost tech support by voice telephone call.

These programs, however, may not be freely redistributed by companies to
their customers and clients, companies like:

: | Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., ...
: | Caldera Business Partner / SCO Authorized VAR / ...

They have to license it, and that will cost them some money.  Invective is
irrelevant -- we are a full-time nonprofit self-funding university-based
R&D group that produces software used and depended upon by millions of
individuals, by universities, government agencies, and companies all over
the world.  We have a responsibility to be here to continue to develop and
support the software, and that means we have a responsibility to generate
income to pay salaries, purchase equipment and supplies, carry maintenance
contracts, and so on.

Some for-profit companies would like to take our work and gain commercial
advantage from it, directly or indirectly, without contributing anything
back.  This is short-sighted.  Suppose their products, and hence their
customers, come to depend on Kermit, and the Kermit Project disappears for
lack of funds?

Most companies that need to incorporate our software into their products,
or distribute it to their customers or clients, however, are glad to
license it from us, and we are happy to work with them to tailor it to
their needs.  A good example would be the version of C-Kermit that was
developed by us for HP-UX 10.0 in cooperation with Hewlett Packard.  All
HP-UX 10.0 users have it, and everybody's happy.

Frank da Cruz
Manager, The Kermit Project
Columbia University

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In article <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>,
	Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:

>We would all like it if everything were free.  The nice thing about most
>Kermit programs is that they are, indeed, free. People take them all the
>time -- thousands of times a day according to our ftp statistics -- and
>use them without paying a penny. [...]

>These programs, however, may not be freely redistributed by companies to
>their customers and clients, companies like:

>: | Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., ...
>: | Caldera Business Partner / SCO Authorized VAR / ...

Ah, so they're NOT free ... make up your mind!

Big bloody deal. I just give instructions so that my clients can fetch Kermit
themselves --  that is, those clients who still need it; fewer and fewer
of them do (see below).

(All for their own research purposes, of course.)

You haven't hurt me or them, just cause a minor inconvenience. The cost
of the inconvenience, however, will be the ultimate demise of the Kermit
Project.

>They have to license it, and that will cost them some money.

At one time I regularly encouraged customers to buy the books which
included the Kermit programming. I've stopped that practise, as
part of my own personal boycott of Columbia's insane distribution
policies.

Kermit's absolutely assinine and arbitrary distribution procedures
(you can download it for free, but you can't get it freely on a CD)
hurt only the end-users.

Columbia takes delight in advocating the totally arbitrary double
standard that allows (even encourages) commercial ISPs to make money
off peoples' aquisition of Kermit, but not hard-media distributors.

>we are a full-time nonprofit self-funding university-based
>R&D group that produces software used and depended upon by millions of
>individuals, by universities, government agencies, and companies all over
>the world.

Yup, software that involved the contributions of hundreds, of people
outside of Columbia who haven't received a cent either. Yet Columbia
now derives revenue from their efforts, and has indulged in policies
that prohobit outsiders from exploiting the value of Kermit, as Kermit
has exploited the value of outsiders in the past. How hypocritical!

>Some for-profit companies would like to take our work and gain commercial
>advantage from it, directly or indirectly, without contributing anything
>back. This is short-sighted.

On the contrary, my friend, this is not only not short-sighted, it is one
of the backbones of the Free Software Foundation, and everything produced
by the GNU and Linux projects (amongst many, many others).

Kermit is in the minority; the ever-shrinking, lonely minority.
Far more complex and significant pieces of software than Kermit have
emerged that have been either indifferent or encouraging to commercial
distribution. Mosaic. CNews and INN. X Windows (and XFree86). TeX.

>Suppose their products, and hence their
>customers, come to depend on Kermit, and the Kermit Project disappears for
>lack of funds?

Yes, let's suppose...

So what? The code, as it sits, is quite robust. If the Kermit Project
dissapeared tomorrow and its code GPL'd, it would live on quite well,
thank you. Its maintenance would be taken up by of competent programmers
who would extend it and support it in ways you may never have imagined.

And people who wanted support would find it, even if Columbia's
'services' dried up overnight. You and Christine might even see higher
book royalties as more people would have to RTFM if they had a problem.

There are precedents, you know. Major pieces of work such as Postgres
and Smail2 have undergone major changes in stewardship, and both are as
useful today (if not moreso) as when they were under their inventors' wings.

What's your point?

>Most companies that need to incorporate our software into their products,
>or distribute it to their customers or clients, however, are glad to
>license it from us, and we are happy to work with them to tailor it to
>their needs.  A good example would be the version of C-Kermit that was
>developed by us for HP-UX 10.0 in cooperation with Hewlett Packard.  All
>HP-UX 10.0 users have it, and everybody's happy.

How good for you. How good for HP.

Under your scenario above, if the Kermit Project ceased to exist,
HP may well have spent its Kermit money on a programmer to extend
functionality, rather than to subsidize Columbia's bureaucracy.

It's all becoming a moot point anyway. The Kermit programs are fast
becoming dinosours, legacy tools to communicate with legacy computers,
required only when today's better tools like ftp or Seyon or Taylor UUCP
(all GPL'd tools) aren't available. Every time a CTOS or RT-11 system gets
switched off for the last time, another Kermit user becomes an ex-user.
Your user base, and your influence, is shrinking.

It would seriously surprise me to hear you're netting any money at
all on Kermit95. Columbia made good on its intentions to go full-blown
commercial with Kermit95 -- why else would Kermit people go ape over the
thought of their work being commercially exploited unless they saw the
others as competition? Yet there's not a single computer store, bookshop,
or distributor that I know that sells it. The Kermit Project's disgust
for commercial enterprises has come back to bite it in the tail, as
technically inferior products such as TinyTerm eat Kermit95 for lunch
in the marketplace.

Heck, it wasn't that long ago that I would have helped your stuff sell.
I've personally been responsible for quite a few sales of your C Kermit
book, and if you go *way* back you'll find my name on the earliest
Kermit mailing lists, as someone who bought *original* Kermit tapes and
documentation. (I still have my copy of Kermit News, Volume 1 Number 1,
dated July 1986 on green paper.) So, yes, I was an early supporter *and*
financial contributor, at a time when you could count the number of Kermit
users in Nevada in single digits. I did so out of a sense of community,
believing strongly in the original intent of the authors:

   "The Kermit software -- including source -- is furnished free,
   without license, or restrictions on copying or redistribution
   provided that it is not sold for profit, and that any copyright
   notice are left intact."
   				[ Kermit News, July 1986, Page 4 ]

Somewhere, sometime, the Kermit Project either got a bad infection of
socialist anti-commercialism dogma, or a desire to limit commercial
use so that Columbia alone could exploit Kermit commercially. The
simplicity of the above copyright was warped into a nasty set of
restrictions that made Kermit less usable and harder to get, just as
so much of the freeware community (led by UCB and the FSF) was *easing*
restrictions on commercial use. As the freeware world was embracing
the GPL and the copyleft, Columbia stood alone in actively rejecting
its principles.

As an initial contributor and supporter, I had been betrayed.

It is the Kermit Project's full right to make any kind of policies
regarding the copyright of the base Kermit products, no matter how
unpopular, counterproductive, or hypocritical these policies are. It
is also my right  -- my obligation -- to point out the horrific flaws
in said policies. And it is certainly my right to advocate a boycott of
funding the Kermit Project or buying any Kemit books or software, because
of these anti-commercial policies. I have not taken my boycott call
public until this message, it has been strictly word-of-mouth 'till now.

When this issue has come up before, Frank and I have merely agreed to
disagree. All that has changed is that Frank chose to step into an
unrelated discussion in a Linux newsgroup. I was pointing out the irony
of a Columbia student whining that he couldn't get an educational discount
off a commercial product, while Columbia (thorugh its Kermit Project) rails
against the evils of commercialism....

(...unless, of course, it's Columbia's own form of commercialism.)

-- 
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Caldera Business Partner / SCO Authorized VAR / evan@telly.org / (905) 452-0504
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>From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.ed  on 18:07 05-08-96
 regarding Re: How to run sz & rz wi we peruse:
}> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
}> Subject: Re: How to run sz & rz within Unix Kermit
}> Date: 8 May 1996 18:07:12 GMT
}> Message-ID: <4mqnsg$pob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>
}> References: <Dr1Hxq.B75@cadserv1.tedix.sccsi.com>
}> In article <Dr1Hxq.B75@cadserv1.tedix.sccsi.com>,
}> which should produce an executable called "wermit".  Try it out and if it's

Quick, Frank, this is your chance to name it "Otto"...
Just Kidding. Nice to see your posting after all these
years!

Few questions:
(1) What Kermits running under Windows 3.11 (16 bit)
    and/or MS-DOS recognise COM4: as a port?
                          (..Gateway P5-75 & Zoom ..)
(2) Will any of these allow me to tell my Zoom modem
    to lock in 300 baud for one particular app while
    not restricting me on other apps?
    (ie let me scout CompuServe at a cheaper rate
     then use the faster one fo "production")
(3) What is "groucho" and what does it have to do 
    with usenet reading? 
(4) I used to use NightOwl MeX on my 1985 Ampro 80186
    (which was hooked up to an HP2621A Peter Bujara sold me
    in 1980), and I used Kermit for text transfers.
    When I got this new Pentium in December, I started
    downKermiting some utilities on my old system to
    run them on the Pentium, and they got messed up.
    This happened with both CompuServe and Dorsai.
    Then someone on Dorsai told me Kermit gets all
    messed up when not properly told about the right
    CR/LF sequence (ie Unix/Dos.. CompuServe runs
    DEC20 clones.. you remember those, ca. 1978 sy.fdc?)
    What really happened? (A lot of folks I asked this 
    of tried to make Kermit look outdated.. but that
    can't be - If I didn't try to link the ChE Plessey
    to the 20, Jeff Damens & Bill Catchings wudda never
    written Kermit.. I can't be outdated to..) How do
    I avoid this in the future?
tnx/rgds/vjp2

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Hi there
Does anybody have a source code (pascal, C ...) for 
a KERMIT newbie?
		Thanks i.A.
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In article <DrBn7n.8Fz@telly.telly.org>, evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
> In article <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>,
> 	Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>>These programs, however, may not be freely redistributed by companies to
>>their customers and clients, companies like:
> 
> Ah, so they're NOT free ... make up your mind!
> 
> Big bloody deal. I just give instructions so that my clients can fetch Kermit
> themselves --  that is, those clients who still need it; fewer and fewer
> of them do (see below).

  I think you're missing the point. If someone fetches Kermit from Columbia
and installs it, then a) they have an idea where it comes from, and b) they
might have even read the info on support.

  I have personally seen a number of cases where Kermit "came with" another
package or system and the vendor of that other package or system told their
customers "just call Columbia for free support".

  As I understand it, the reason you (or any other individual) can still
fetch copies of Kermit executables or sources is *because* the Kermit folks
want you to be able to have them for free. They just don't want anyone else
making money off the software without giving something back to support fur-
ther development or support.

> At one time I regularly encouraged customers to buy the books which
> included the Kermit programming. I've stopped that practise, as
> part of my own personal boycott of Columbia's insane distribution
> policies.

  As a user and developer, I was upset when I first heard that the MS-DOS
Kermit documentation was being frozen in favor of the commercial Kermit
book. However, the documentation (in the form of the book) is vastly im-
proved from the notes that shipped with earlier versions of MS-Kermit.
When my users ask me questions, I point them to our bookstore and tell
them to go buy the manual (or read a copy in our library if they prefer).

  Would you have any complaints if the books were from an independent
source (say, "Kermit for Dummies")? If that's Ok with you, aren't you
applying a double standard here?

> Kermit's absolutely assinine and arbitrary distribution procedures
> (you can download it for free, but you can't get it freely on a CD)
> hurt only the end-users.

  I can do that with Netscape too. Doesn't seem to have hurt either
Netscape-the-company or Netscape-the-product. And if I'm not an edu-
cational site, I have to either pay for Netscape after 30 days or cease
using it, while I can continue to use the Kermit I downloaded forever.

> Yup, software that involved the contributions of hundreds, of people
> outside of Columbia who haven't received a cent either. Yet Columbia
> now derives revenue from their efforts, and has indulged in policies
> that prohobit outsiders from exploiting the value of Kermit, as Kermit
> has exploited the value of outsiders in the past. How hypocritical!

  How much work have you contributed to Kermit? Look at people like Joe
Doupnik (MS-Kermit) or the people like myself who contributed to C-Kermit.
The fact that I'm writing this might give you an idea that I'm not being
"expolited".

>>Some for-profit companies would like to take our work and gain commercial
>>advantage from it, directly or indirectly, without contributing anything
>>back. This is short-sighted.
> 
> On the contrary, my friend, this is not only not short-sighted, it is one
> of the backbones of the Free Software Foundation, and everything produced
> by the GNU and Linux projects (amongst many, many others).

  So? They use one model, Kermit uses another.

> Kermit is in the minority; the ever-shrinking, lonely minority.
> Far more complex and significant pieces of software than Kermit have
> emerged that have been either indifferent or encouraging to commercial
> distribution. Mosaic. CNews and INN. X Windows (and XFree86). TeX.

  X Windows wasn't done by uncompensated volunteers. There was some serious
backing from the start. If Kermit had similar backing things might have been
different.

  Today's homework assignment: go look at Ghostscript. Report back.

> So what? The code, as it sits, is quite robust. If the Kermit Project
> dissapeared tomorrow and its code GPL'd, it would live on quite well,
> thank you. Its maintenance would be taken up by of competent programmers
> who would extend it and support it in ways you may never have imagined.

  I really doubt that. We'd been asking for help for a *long* time and while
we got a "sure, I'll do that" from some *very* big names in "the business",
nothing happened. VMS C-Kermit would still be unusable if I didn't start
fooling with it in my spare time, rewriting the file I/O from scratch and
doing substantial work in the other OS-dependent modules. Aside from my
changes and the work Frank did, the *only* other changes made to it were a
few things that people found annoying enough to fix. *Nobody* else did any-
thing with the VMS stuff, despite a large portion of the VMS community ask-
ing for features. This is a platform where most systems have at least one
programmer (compared with the PC platform, for example).

> And people who wanted support would find it, even if Columbia's
> 'services' dried up overnight. You and Christine might even see higher
> book royalties as more people would have to RTFM if they had a problem.

  Sure. The only reason people don't have the books is because vendors
were giving them the software without it, and because users were calling
the "free" support number.

> There are precedents, you know. Major pieces of work such as Postgres
> and Smail2 have undergone major changes in stewardship, and both are as
> useful today (if not moreso) as when they were under their inventors' wings.

  And major packages have been taken commercial as well. Most of those
packages then abandoned development on their free versions, while the free
Kermits are still enhanced, many by volunteers.

> It's all becoming a moot point anyway. The Kermit programs are fast
> becoming dinosours, legacy tools to communicate with legacy computers,
> required only when today's better tools like ftp or Seyon or Taylor UUCP
> (all GPL'd tools) aren't available. Every time a CTOS or RT-11 system gets
> switched off for the last time, another Kermit user becomes an ex-user.
> Your user base, and your influence, is shrinking.

  A good reason for a shrinking user base was that Kermit wasn't available
for the world's most popular platforms - the Microsoft Windows family. There
were earlier efforts, but they stalled due to lack of volunteers.

  Most of the computers ever built are running today, and the majority of
them are Windows PC's. Kermit 95 is now available to meet their needs.

  My guess is that Kermit 95 is commercial because *nobody* could be found
to implement it for free. The alternative was either to not write it or to
hire someone to do the work. If someone was hired, what do you think they
should be paid with?

  Kermit 95 includes *my* "labeled file" design (I suggested it, and Frank
and Joe made improvements, and then I coded it). I'm not jumping up and down
for a share of the profits. Any changes I make to C-Kermit will go back to
Columbia, where they will find their way into both free and commercial soft-
ware.

  If more people were willing to contribute, maybe we wouldn't be in this
situation, but they weren't, despite requests that occasionally took on the
tone of out-and-out begging on the Kermit project's part.

> It would seriously surprise me to hear you're netting any money at
> all on Kermit95. Columbia made good on its intentions to go full-blown
> commercial with Kermit95 -- why else would Kermit people go ape over the
> thought of their work being commercially exploited unless they saw the
> others as competition? Yet there's not a single computer store, bookshop,
> or distributor that I know that sells it. The Kermit Project's disgust
> for commercial enterprises has come back to bite it in the tail, as
> technically inferior products such as TinyTerm eat Kermit95 for lunch
> in the marketplace.

  I don't have the numbers (I've never asked and I don't really care to
know) but I assume it's paying its own way or you'd see development stop.
If it covers its costs and lets the Kermit folks hire phone support people,
what do you (or any of us) care how well it sells?

	Terry Kennedy		  Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	  St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
        +1 201 915 9381 (voice)   +1 201 435-3662 (FAX)

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In article <4n25mv$rc7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <4mvog6$gn0@swen.emba.uvm.edu>,
: Jose Olivares <olivares@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP> wrote:
: : I am using ms-kermit to connect my pc to a remote unix network via a
: : zoom 14400 modem. I have a problem with file transfers (I read the
: : manual; couldn't find a clue).
:
: There are two likely explanations.  ...
:
And another one suggested by a person who has used a lot of different
Zoom modems: certain models tend to "lock up" for no reason at all, whereas
other models tend to work OK; this seems to be related to the specific
version of the chipset.

- Frank

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In article <4n6qqe$od7@amanda.dorsai.org>,
Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087
Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught
NYC-11357-3436-287-USA <vjp2@dorsai.org> wrote:

: (1) What Kermits running under Windows 3.11 (16 bit)
:     and/or MS-DOS recognise COM4: as a port?
:                           (..Gateway P5-75 & Zoom ..)
:
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is the latest version, and it works
fine on COM3 and COM4 but you might have to some fiddling,
of the sort which is described in the online KERMIT.BWR file,
section 6.

: (2) Will any of these allow me to tell my Zoom modem
:     to lock in 300 baud for one particular app while
:     not restricting me on other apps?
:     (ie let me scout CompuServe at a cheaper rate
:      then use the faster one fo "production")
:
You can set the speed to anything you like.  If you use the
ZOOM.SCR dialing script, it configures the modem for its
highest modes of operation.  Make a new copy of the script,
call it ZOOM300.SCR or something, edit it to use the lower
speed and to skip enabling all the fancy features.

: (4) I used to use NightOwl MeX on my 1985 Ampro 80186
:     (which was hooked up to an HP2621A Peter Bujara sold me
:     in 1980), and I used Kermit for text transfers.
:     When I got this new Pentium in December, I started
:     downKermiting some utilities on my old system to
:     run them on the Pentium, and they got messed up.
:
You must tell the file to "set file type binary" when 
transferring binary files.  Also watch out for CompuServe's
Kermit implementation -- some reports indicate that it simply
does not work right.

- Frank

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>> What do you think Windows/NT is, if not an Intel almost-port of VMS?

b> I don't think so, at least not from a user perspective.

You can layer any UI you want on top of Windows/NT, including something
that looks like Unix, and that is what you see.  But underneath, the NT
kernel has quite a bit in common with VMS internals -- and conceptually
it resembles the Amiga's OS quite a bit.  Obviously they are not the
same thing, but Windows/NT is the closest thing to a VMS port you will
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bruce@ais.com wrote:

>In article <x7loj23pj5.fsf@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu>, Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> 
>>>>>>> "TD" == Thomas Dzubin <dzubint@vcn.bc.ca> writes:
>> 
>> TD> (Unless of course, someone comes out with VMS-95, or RSX-11-95)  :-)
>>                                               ^^^^^^
>> What do you think Windows/NT is, if not an Intel almost-port of VMS?
>
>I don't think so, at least not from a user perspective.  It's true that
>Dave Cutler was one of the main architects behind both systems, but I
>use and program on both Windows NT and VMS all the time, and although
>NT has a couple of minor concepts in its programming interface that
>might have been borrowed (with HEAVY modification) from VMS, they are
>nearly as different from each other as either one is from, for example,
>Unix.  It's possible that the kernel architecture of NT is more similar
>to that of VMS -- I'm more familiar with the kernel-level details of
>VMS than I am of NT.  (Though that might change.  It looks possible
>that I might be writing some device drivers for NT before too long).
>But _all_ of the user interface, and most of the programming API, of
>Windows NT looks more like Windows than it does like VMS.  Fortunately
>the kernel is much more stable and protects itself from out-of-control
>apps much better than that of  Windows 3.1 and 95, but for the purposes
>of running a system that's "similar to" another one from a user's or
>programmer's perspective, that's an entirely different issue.
>
>Bruce C. Wright

Take a look at the memory management of NT.  In some areas it's a knock off
of VMS, they even used the same terminology.  Both have:

- modified list
- free list
- paged pool
- non-paged pool
- demand zero faults

and a few other things in various places where they are similar:

- "access violations" (app crash due to illegal memory reference)
- base priority plus "boost" (for scheduling)
- ACLs

There are many many parts of NT that show no similarity to VMS.  But if you
look around closely, you'll also find a lot of things that are near
identical.

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I'm using my own comm prog (Windows C) to dial a kermit server (a bank
unix system) to send invoices etc..  The bank has issued a set of
kermit command which enables communication with it. It's a plain
kermit script. The problem I'm having is how do send a GET. The bank
script goes as follows:
OUT ATDT555555\13
SEND MYNAME
GET OKFILE
..and some command, just as it is typed at MS-KERMIT's prompt. The
MYNAME is a plain ASCII file on my hard drive which contains passwords
etc. The banks looks at it and then sends me OKFILE which is an ASCII
file also and contains text whether my password is ok etc. The problem
I'm having is with the GET. When ms-kermit issues GET to the host
server it send some characters. I'm at lost how to make similar
operation. Putting me program into receive mode after successfully
having sent MYNAME results in nothing. Please help me out with this.
What bytes do I send?
I'm using Greenleaf Commlib btw and BCC 4.53.

Please answer via e-mail:
joonas.kervinen@pcb.compart.fi


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In article <1996May13.015713.1@spcvxb.spc.edu>,
	Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr. <terry@spcvxb.spc.edu> wrote:

>> I just give instructions so that my clients can fetch Kermit
>> themselves --  that is, those clients who still need it; fewer and fewer
>> of them do (see below).

>I think you're missing the point. If someone fetches Kermit from Columbia
>and installs it, then a) they have an idea where it comes from, and b) they
>might have even read the info on support.

Anyone who reads a copyright message knows where a piece of software
came from. Why does this matter, unless (as in the case of Kermit and
no other freeware model) the (chief) author wants a piece of the action.

As for support, there are very active communities providing support for
software that doesn't have an 'official' support mechanism; Linux being
the best example. Those wanting support can pay for it from
organizations such as Red Hat or Cygnus or Caldera; those who don't
need support, even if they use Linux for commercial purposes or
distribute Linux to clients, don't have that bother.

>I have personally seen a number of cases where Kermit "came with" another
>package or system and the vendor of that other package or system told their
>customers "just call Columbia for free support".

And Columbia, by providing an 'official' help desk, merely plays into
the hands of those vendors.

So scrap the help desk, eliminate the costs of maintaining Kermit,
and get rid of the feeble attempts at revenue-gathering.

>As I understand it, the reason you (or any other individual) can still
>fetch copies of Kermit executables or sources is *because* the Kermit folks
>want you to be able to have them for free.

...as long as I'm not an Evil Commercial Entity, in which case Columbia
wants a piece of the action, even if I never use their help desk.

>They just don't want anyone else
>making money off the software without giving something back to support fur-
>ther development or support.

The ways in which people 'give something back' can take many forms.
Columbia wishes to impose the form that 'something back' takes, in
a manner that no other freeware imposes.

>> At one time I regularly encouraged customers to buy the books which
>> included the Kermit programming. I've stopped that practise, as
>> part of my own personal boycott of Columbia's insane distribution
>> policies.

> As a user and developer, I was upset when I first heard that the MS-DOS
>Kermit documentation was being frozen in favor of the commercial Kermit
>book. However, the documentation (in the form of the book) is vastly im-
>proved from the notes that shipped with earlier versions of MS-Kermit.
>When my users ask me questions, I point them to our bookstore and tell
>them to go buy the manual (or read a copy in our library if they prefer).

Indeed. This is a wonderful model, which is used well in a number of
instances, the one that comes to mind first is TeX:

Like the software? Want to support the author's work? Buy the books.
Every client to whom I have distributed TeX has bought the TeXbook.
Ditto for Perl and the O'Reilly books.

The Kermit model is different. Their slant is that the only way you can
buy a hard-media (floppy or CD) distribution is if Columbia makes money
on it. It's not voluntary the way TeX or Perl is; it's forced.

Columbia, in an interest of maintaining a self-justifying bureaucracy,
has created a help desk and then exhibited very commercial tendencies
(for a supposedly non-commercial body) in order to recoup the costs of
this very unnecessary "feature".

>Would you have any complaints if the books were from an independent
>source (say, "Kermit for Dummies")? If that's Ok with you, aren't you
>applying a double standard here?

I don't at all complain about the Columbia Kermit books. In the spirit
of other packages such as Perl and TeX, book royalties are an excellent
manner to reward the author of a work of software that you use.

But the TeX and Perl books still sell despite there being no 'official'
help sites for those products, and despite the lack of restrictions on
their distributions (commercial or otherwise).

I have no complaint about the use of books. My complaint is with
Columbia's restrictions that effectively make them the *only* way
one may obtain Kermit by floppy disk.

>> Kermit's absolutely assinine and arbitrary distribution procedures
>> (you can download it for free, but you can't get it freely on a CD)
>> hurt only the end-users.

>I can do that with Netscape too. Doesn't seem to have hurt either
>Netscape-the-company or Netscape-the-product.

Indeed. But at least Netscape doesn't make any protestations about
it being a not-for-profit entity, it makes no attempt to hide its
capitalism. Columbia has merely become just another software vendor,
with certain conditions under which its software is obtainable for
free.

>And if I'm not an edu-
>cational site, I have to either pay for Netscape after 30 days or cease
>using it, while I can continue to use the Kermit I downloaded forever.

Almost every software vendor offers educational discounts (that's what
started this thread in the first place). Netscape's is a little more
generous than others.

Frankly, I consider your analogies between Netscape and Kermit to be
very apt -- yet one hides under the guise of being non-profit, the other
does not.

>> Yup, software that involved the contributions of hundreds, of people
>> outside of Columbia who haven't received a cent either. Yet Columbia
>> now derives revenue from their efforts, and has indulged in policies
>> that prohobit outsiders from exploiting the value of Kermit, as Kermit
>> has exploited the value of outsiders in the past. How hypocritical!

>How much work have you contributed to Kermit?

I am not a programmer. In the days I first used Kermit, the way for
non-programmers to contribute was to buy Kermit documentation or 9-track
tapes direct from Columbia. I did that.

What's your point?

>Look at people like Joe
>Doupnik (MS-Kermit) or the people like myself who contributed to C-Kermit.
>The fact that I'm writing this might give you an idea that I'm not being
>"expolited".

Bully for you. Were you ever given the choice? Were you, or Joe or other
contributing bodies like the University of Toronto or Steven Institute
of Technology ever *offered* a share of the revenue Columbia would earn
when it went commercial? When you joined the development team, when Henson
gave permission to use the name, did you know that Columbia would have
turned Kermit (or tried, at least) into a commercial product?

That you do not object to Columbia exploiting your efforts is very
noble. But that does not reverse the fact that Columbia is generating
revenue, in part, from work you have done. This is exploitation by
most definitions.

How many non-Columbia volunteers have joined the Kermit development
effort in the last two years? There is none of the sense of community
development that existed when the product started, and the credits
section of the Kermit manual went on for pages.

>>>Some for-profit companies would like to take our work and gain commercial
>>>advantage from it, directly or indirectly, without contributing anything
>>>back. This is short-sighted.

>> On the contrary, my friend, this is not only not short-sighted, it is one
>> of the backbones of the Free Software Foundation, and everything produced
>> by the GNU and Linux projects (amongst many, many others).

>  So? They use one model, Kermit uses another.

That is obvious. My post is to describe the double standards and
arbitrariness of the Kermit model, and to delight in the knowledge
that nobody has followed Columbia down that road of dark ethics.

>> Kermit is in the minority; the ever-shrinking, lonely minority.
>> Far more complex and significant pieces of software than Kermit have
>> emerged that have been either indifferent or encouraging to commercial
>> distribution. Mosaic. CNews and INN. X Windows (and XFree86). TeX.

>X Windows wasn't done by uncompensated volunteers. There was some serious
>backing from the start. If Kermit had similar backing things might have been
>different.

Unless you (and the others who worked on the project) place no value on
your time and efforts, it's safe to say that a good many people gave
the Kermit Project "serious backing".

>  Today's homework assignment: go look at Ghostscript. Report back.

Assignment complete. My Ghostscript, unlike Kermit, came on a CD-ROM.
It has none of the commercial distributions restrictions that Kermit does.
It is under the GPL.

Next assignment....?

>> So what? The code, as it sits, is quite robust. If the Kermit Project
>> dissapeared tomorrow and its code GPL'd, it would live on quite well,
>> thank you. Its maintenance would be taken up by of competent programmers
>> who would extend it and support it in ways you may never have imagined.

>I really doubt that. We'd been asking for help for a *long* time and while
>we got a "sure, I'll do that" from some *very* big names in "the business",
>nothing happened. VMS C-Kermit would still be unusable if I didn't start
>fooling with it in my spare time, rewriting the file I/O from scratch and
>doing substantial work in the other OS-dependent modules. Aside from my
>changes and the work Frank did, the *only* other changes made to it were a
>few things that people found annoying enough to fix. *Nobody* else did any-
>thing with the VMS stuff, despite a large portion of the VMS community ask-
>ing for features. This is a platform where most systems have at least one
>programmer (compared with the PC platform, for example).

Hmm. Do you imagine *why* there has been so little community support
for Kermit of the kind you mention, when other freeware projects such
as Linux have been actively supported by DEC?

>> And people who wanted support would find it, even if Columbia's
>> 'services' dried up overnight. You and Christine might even see higher
>> book royalties as more people would have to RTFM if they had a problem.

>Sure. The only reason people don't have the books is because vendors
>were giving them the software without it, and because users were calling
>the "free" support number.

So get rid of the "free" support number. Not rocket science.

>> There are precedents, you know. Major pieces of work such as Postgres
>> and Smail2 have undergone major changes in stewardship, and both are as
>> useful today (if not moreso) as when they were under their inventors' wings.

>And major packages have been taken commercial as well. Most of those
>packages then abandoned development on their free versions, while the free
>Kermits are still enhanced, many by volunteers.

But they're not free to us Nasty Commercialists to redistribute, remember?
Your contribution may be voluntary, but the limitations put on Kermit
distribution most certainly are not.

>> It's all becoming a moot point anyway. The Kermit programs are fast
>> becoming dinosours, legacy tools to communicate with legacy computers,
>> required only when today's better tools like ftp or Seyon or Taylor UUCP
>> (all GPL'd tools) aren't available. Every time a CTOS or RT-11 system gets
>> switched off for the last time, another Kermit user becomes an ex-user.
>> Your user base, and your influence, is shrinking.

>A good reason for a shrinking user base was that Kermit wasn't available
>for the world's most popular platforms - the Microsoft Windows family. There
>were earlier efforts, but they stalled due to lack of volunteers.

Lack of volunteers!!!

Thank you for help proving my point. The very philosophies that the
Kermit Project thought would continue its growth, have eliminated the
sense of community that it once had, in reality strangling the growth.

The volunteers with effort and drive gravitated to the packages without
restrictions, such as Linux and GNU and *BSD (or even Seyon :-).

>Most of the computers ever built are running today, and the majority of
>them are Windows PC's. Kermit 95 is now available to meet their needs.

And it is not for sale in most quarters that people seek such software.
I've checked.

>My guess is that Kermit 95 is commercial because *nobody* could be found
>to implement it for free. The alternative was either to not write it or to
>hire someone to do the work. If someone was hired, what do you think they
>should be paid with?

If there is no need, and nobody to step forward to write it, then
*don't do it*. That is the role of the commercial marketplace; if
commercial vendors did not see the need for Kermit95, what crystal
ball at Columbia predicted *it* could make money from the effort?

Every modem sold these days comes with a wealth of communications
software; this is a *very* hard market to crack. Columbia, with
its demonstrated anti-commercial slant, is in the *least* possible
position to adequately market it.

By commercial standards, Kermit95 is a flop. But I don't think
that matters to the Project.

Why? The Kermit Project has become a massive self-perpetuating
make-work project; its quasi-commercial initiatives only exist
to help justify ongoing support by Columbia brass, on what is
essentially a mature product that needs no further continuing support.

>Kermit 95 includes *my* "labeled file" design (I suggested it, and Frank
>and Joe made improvements, and then I coded it). I'm not jumping up and down
>for a share of the profits.

How noble. Do you at least have the sense to ask for a tax receipt?
They're still non-profit, or so they claim...

>If more people were willing to contribute, maybe we wouldn't be in this
>situation, but they weren't, despite requests that occasionally took on the
>tone of out-and-out begging on the Kermit project's part.

The begging has happened, IMO, because Kermit is no longer seen as a
worthwhile project into which to put effort -- especially volunteer
effort, given Columbia's new role as a commercial vendor wannabe.

It looks from your description that the comminity programming effort
that once marked the Kermit Project is now a shadow of its former self.
And the Project has nothing upon which to blame this change except its
own pride and greed. You are to be commended for your loyalty, but
apparently not enough share your view.

Frank said in his post that allowing commercial exploitation of Kermit
without compensation to Columbia would be short-sighted. I shall allow
time to tell whether the Kermit model, or the GPL adopted by the rest of
the freeware world, is the approach that is truly self-destructive.

-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
Caldera Business Partner / SCO Authorized VAR / evan@telly.org / (905) 452-0504
      Economists have successfully predicted 14 of the last 2 recessions

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In article <DrCtEB.218@telly.telly.org>,
Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.telly.org> wrote:
: 
: (a lot of stuff...)
:
In case anybody expects me to jump into this argument, don't hold your
breath.  It's all been done before.  This is Evan's sesqui-annual visit
to our newsgroup, where he raised all the same points before and there was
yet another Great Debate about how the Kermit Project should conduct itself.

If you enjoy this sort of thing, the relevant archives can be found at:

  ftp://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsgroups/misc.941004 and .941221

- Frank

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In article <DrCtEB.218@telly.telly.org>, evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
[Lots of things, but I'm only going to address the new points]
> Hmm. Do you imagine *why* there has been so little community support
> for Kermit of the kind you mention, when other freeware projects such
> as Linux have been actively supported by DEC?

  You can't talk about "DEC" as a monolithic entity. There are still hun-
dreds of little kingdoms, despite attempts by Digital to change that.

  Someone at DEC saw that having Linux available on their "NoName" OEM
Alpha motherboard might help sell those motherboards and decided to do
something.

  What DEC products does Kermit help sell? Remember, at the time this was
happening, Digital Press (the publishers of all the Kermit books) was a
part of DEC and they couldn't even get info on Kermit included with other
DEC products!

>>  Today's homework assignment: go look at Ghostscript. Report back.
> 
> Assignment complete. My Ghostscript, unlike Kermit, came on a CD-ROM.
> It has none of the commercial distributions restrictions that Kermit does.
> It is under the GPL.
> 
> Next assignment....?

  Yes, but there are also commercial versions of Ghostscript (by the same
author) which have distribution restrictions.

>>Sure. The only reason people don't have the books is because vendors
>>were giving them the software without it, and because users were calling
>>the "free" support number.
> 
> So get rid of the "free" support number. Not rocket science.

  I believe that has happened. You encourage a 900- or pay-per-call support
service but decry the "commercialization" of Kermit? Or would you prefer
that there be no support at all?

>>If more people were willing to contribute, maybe we wouldn't be in this
>>situation, but they weren't, despite requests that occasionally took on the
>>tone of out-and-out begging on the Kermit project's part.
> 
> The begging has happened, IMO, because Kermit is no longer seen as a
> worthwhile project into which to put effort -- especially volunteer
> effort, given Columbia's new role as a commercial vendor wannabe.
> 
> It looks from your description that the comminity programming effort
> that once marked the Kermit Project is now a shadow of its former self.
> And the Project has nothing upon which to blame this change except its
> own pride and greed. You are to be commended for your loyalty, but
> apparently not enough share your view.

  You appear to be ignorant of the timeline here. As an example, Frank had
been asking for volunteers to help with VMS C-Kermit since September of 1989,
when the previous contributor stopped working on it. I started poking around
in July of 1990, nearly a year later. The previous developer stopped working
on it in May of 85 and it took about 4 years (until February 1989) to find
another volunteer. All of this *far* pre-dates the "commercialization" you're
talking about.

	Terry Kennedy		  Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	  St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
        +1 201 915 9381 (voice)   +1 201 435-3662 (FAX)

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Kermit 5A (190) will change the Linux setserial mapping for 38400 but
will not restore it afterwards.  I am using 57600 for UUCP (38400 with
setserial spd_hi) but when I use kermit at 38400, it resets to setserial
spd_normal, so that subsequent UUCPs are at 38400.  The only fix which
respects port locking is to change the speed at the end of the kermit
script, but this means that the script is not independent of its
environment.

(Amongst other things, setserial allows 38400 to be mapped to 57600 or
115200 to get round the historic limitations on the available serial
speeds under Unix.)
-- 
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:      fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
: > 
: > Xon/Xoff is implemented in the Windows serial port driver -- its behavior
: > is a property of the operating system, not of Kermit.
: > 

Malcolm Dunnett (dunnett@mala.bc.ca) wrote:
:      Sorry, I should have been more specific - it's with Telnet sessions
: that I'm seeing this. Of course it's not really using Xon/Xoff in this case,
: but the effect should still be the same ( ie when I hit ^S I'd like the
: display to freeze immediately, not 10 or 20 lines later )

This isn't the fault of Kermit, but of a bufferred protocol.
Does some other terminal emulator work the way you expect it to work?
I think not, unless there is an option for ^S to operate as a local control,
like on some RS232 terminals.
You can map the ^S sequence on your kermit to equal ScrollLock,
but that would never be a standard feature...  Doesn't emacs use ^S for some
command?
Set Key \1043 \Kholdscrn
will make your screen stop when you press ^S.  restarting the screen is also
^S, rather than ^Q.
Or you could use the ScrollLock button on the keyboard.


-- 
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evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) writes:

>Indeed. This is a wonderful model, which is used well in a number of
>instances, the one that comes to mind first is TeX:

>Like the software? Want to support the author's work? Buy the books.
>Every client to whom I have distributed TeX has bought the TeXbook.
>Ditto for Perl and the O'Reilly books.

Unfortunately (or fortunately) kermit is not like TeX or Perl.
Everything the normal person needs or wants to know about kermit
can be written in large type on one sheet of paper.
I once read the official kermit book,
and found it more or less useless.
(I speak as a great admirer of the program.)

By contrast, both TeX and Perl are infinitely complicated.

-- 
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In article <DrBn7n.8Fz@telly.telly.org>, evan@telly.telly.org says...
>
Wow,  I am sure I am missing something in the history of this discussion, 
which would make this why this level of emotion is justified.....

You seem to want it both ways....   you say kermit is legacy-ware, all
these other apps blow it away, etc.   Then why are you so upset that it's
not "free" according to your definition. 

I have used kermit on and off over the years for the purpose at which it
beats everything else that I'm aware of:   connecting reliably across 
different platforms.  Personally, I use kermit only when I have to, there
are other programs (that I have paid for) that I prefer to use when I can. 

But it has never once occurred to me to complain about kermit's distribution
policies:  I just don't find it a big bother to grab it off of their ftp site.

Seems to me that if they wrote it, they can spread it around in any manner
they choose, even if that is not the same manner that FSF and GPL choose
to do it. 

If you don't like that policy, you can 1.) not use kermit 
2.) write a really "free" compatible program and GPL it.

I, for one, just don't get what all the excitement is about here...
Sincerely, 

-- 
Norbert Kremer         norbert@mail.htp.com


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In article <4n78j5$a42@gate.compart.fi>, joonas.kervinen@pcb.compart.fi (joonas kervinen) writes:
> I'm using my own comm prog (Windows C) to dial a kermit server (a bank
> unix system) to send invoices etc..  The bank has issued a set of
> kermit command which enables communication with it. It's a plain
> kermit script. The problem I'm having is how do send a GET. The bank
> script goes as follows:
> OUT ATDT555555\13
> SEND MYNAME
> GET OKFILE
> ..and some command, just as it is typed at MS-KERMIT's prompt. The
> MYNAME is a plain ASCII file on my hard drive which contains passwords
> etc. The banks looks at it and then sends me OKFILE which is an ASCII
> file also and contains text whether my password is ok etc. The problem
> I'm having is with the GET. When ms-kermit issues GET to the host
> server it send some characters. I'm at lost how to make similar
> operation. Putting me program into receive mode after successfully
> having sent MYNAME results in nothing. Please help me out with this.
> What bytes do I send?
> I'm using Greenleaf Commlib btw and BCC 4.53.
-----------
	GET is a command from client to server. RECEIVE is a command from
client to itself. GET initiates action, RECEIVE passively waits for action
from the other side. Servers, like polite lawyers, sit and wait for clients
to come to them with a request.
	The official specification of the Kermit protocol is the book "Kermit,
a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, ISBN 0-932376-88-6, plus the
extensions invented since publication (and which are documented on 
kermit.columbia.edu). You need that book, so please contact Columbia for
current ordering information.
	Now I can't resist a comment on security. One  N E V E R  puts
passwords in disk files. Your bank's procedures are thus wide open to misuse,
and were I in your shoes my money would move elsewhere (voluntarily rather 
than as a big surprize one day). Perhaps they intended you to manually type
the access codes rather than exposing you and them to unwanted usage by 
leaving them exposed on disk.
	What your bank should have done is:
	a) provide you with an encryption program, which prompts for your
password and provides an encrypted response. The response depends on what
you type PLUS what the bank sends at That Moment Only as an encryption key.
The program erases your plaintext password and any memory so used before
returning the result.
	b) You send the encrypted result to the bank, and in turn you
receive an encrypted reply. The reply goes into that program, it is
decrypted with the response you just sent (or similar) and says OK, Good
Morning or whatever soothing phrase. The first response contains a time
of day attribute such that it self destructs ("Your assignment Jim, if
you choose to accept it...") after a minute or less.
	In both cases only encrypted traffic goes over the wire, never
your plaintext password. Keys change on every message, and they expire
rapidly anyway. There is a large body of reseach on such matters so I am 
being only suggestive here rather than precise. Don't mistake my advise
as gospel truth.
	Boy, what an education one gets by asking a simple question...
	Joe D.

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>From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.ed  on 16:14 05-13-96 regarding Re: Various we 
peruse:
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up.
}> You must tell the file to "set file type binary" when 
}> transferring binary files.  Also watch out for CompuServe's
}> Kermit implementation -- some reports indicate that it simply
}> does not work right.

Thanks. It probably doesn't.
VEdit sent me their CRT version by e-mail in the
summer when I only had the 80186 and no ZIP program
(unix or msdos) could unpack it. 
But I had the same problem in December (when I had
the Pentium modem-less) when I tried to get some
fonts off www.hri.org with Dorsai's kermit (which is
a GNU BASH SunOS setup) in server mode. 
So I was blaming MeX -- which might've worked elsewhere..

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From: skjalg@imr.no (Skjalg Thorbjørnsen)
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Hi there,
We have a network with SUN Unix servers and PC's which runs Sun PC-NFS
5.x TCP/IP.
I received a copy of MS-Kermit 3.00 from a guy who had made some
settings in a Kermit scriptfile. The purpose is to run an application
(SAS) on a remote machine in Denmark through Kermit. He had made some
key-mappings to suit that application.
The problem is that I can't get connected to the remote machine with
Kermit. I've tried different SET PORT ... and all it says is that
Network is unavailable.
Can I get MS-Kermit to run with PC-NFS and use the server in Denmark
(I also tried 3.14 which had more Network support but to no use).
The guy who made the script used 3COM(BAPI)  (wtf is this?) as the
network and it worked at his place.
I can of course use PC-NFS buil-in Telnet but I wan't to use the
keyboard setting already set up with Kermit.
Btw We are located behind a firewall, does that cause any problems.

Any clues, please.

Skjalg Thorbjørnsen

Institue of Marine Research
Bergen, Norway

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Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> 
> In article <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>,
>         Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
> 
> At one time I regularly encouraged customers to buy the books which
> included the Kermit programming. I've stopped that practise, as
> part of my own personal boycott of Columbia's insane distribution
> policies.
> 
> Kermit's absolutely assinine and arbitrary distribution procedures
> (you can download it for free, but you can't get it freely on a CD)
> hurt only the end-users.
> 
> Columbia takes delight in advocating the totally arbitrary double
> standard that allows (even encourages) commercial ISPs to make money
> off peoples' aquisition of Kermit, but not hard-media distributors.
> 

If you don't like the licensing policy, you are not under any obligation
to use Kermit. The policy will not change as a result of your rantings.
Why don't you find a different product? Isn't that a simpiler solution
than wasting time?

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In article <4nb0e3$bb1@news.htp.net>,
	Norbert E. Kremer <norbert@mail.htp.com> wrote:

>In article <DrBn7n.8Fz@telly.telly.org>, evan@telly.telly.org says...

>Wow,  I am sure I am missing something in the history of this discussion, 
>which would make this why this level of emotion is justified.....

>You seem to want it both ways....   you say kermit is legacy-ware, all
>these other apps blow it away, etc.   Then why are you so upset that it's
>not "free" according to your definition. 

The two sentiments are not contradictory. I maintain that one of the
reasons that Kermit development has been stagnant, is because of its
distribution policies. Cause and effect.

(BTW, there are enough legacy systems around out there to give Kermit
a continuing life for some time. I just note that it is not keeping pace
with other developments; communications development skills that could
have helped Kermit have instead gone into freely-distributable software
such as Seyon. And I attribute this, in part, to Columbia's abandonment
of the community development model when they went commercial.)

>I have used kermit on and off over the years for the purpose at which it
>beats everything else that I'm aware of:   connecting reliably across 
>different platforms.  Personally, I use kermit only when I have to, there
>are other programs (that I have paid for) that I prefer to use when I can. 

>But it has never once occurred to me to complain about kermit's distribution
>policies: I just don't find it a big bother to grab it off of their ftp site.

Fine, until you want to give it to someone else. If 'someone else' pays
you (ie, they are your client) you are prohibited from giving them Kermit
unless Columbia gets a cut.

>Seems to me that if they wrote it, they can spread it around in any manner
>they choose, even if that is not the same manner that FSF and GPL choose
>to do it. 

And I don't deny that.

My comments are not to deny Columbia the ability to do what they please
with Kermit, only to point out the hypocricy of these policies and the
effect they have had on recruitment efforts for Kermit developers.

>If you don't like that policy, you can 1.) not use kermit 
>2.) write a really "free" compatible program and GPL it.

I use Kermit under its guidelines. I find the guidelines illogical
and self-defeating and I say so.

-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
Caldera Business Partner / SCO Authorized VAR / evan@telly.org / (905) 452-0504
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I'm having troubles setting up[ over odi drivers, in particular, I cannot
arp to my kermit machines running in server mode. (mskermit 3.14, patch 8) 

What I have is a test network of PCs (testing routers) and I want to use a
couple PCs running kermit to generate ip traffic.  Kermit itself works, that is
I can connect to a PC (running on a packet driver) from the pc runing the odi
stuff.  but I cannot connect to the odi machine unless I know have the mac
address already avaibal.  Ie, If I connect to a unix box and then disconnect
the unix box will then be able to connect to the pc.  but if I try to connect
to the pc before connecting fromn the pc, nothing will happen.  I intend to be
working only between PCs runnign odi stacks, on networks where other hosts may 
not be avaibal.

While I could run a packet driver, that is not an idea solution since these pc
will also spend part time running netware client software when we need IPX 
traffic.  currently we have batch programs to load and unload the odi drivers
for which ever boards are in the pc (normally more then one, but only one is
used at a time)  

form the net.cfg file, I have

Link driver exos
	int #1 3
	port #1 300
(or similer data, depending on teh exact nature of the board, currently
I've only worked with ethernet)
	FRAME Ethernet_II
	PROTOCOL IP 0800 Ethernet_II
	PROTOCOL ARP 0806 Ethernet_II
	PROTOCOL RARP 8035 Ethernet_II


According to the readme files this is the correct values
(\kermit\networks\setup.doc) I know that IP is itself working coffectly, 
becuase I can telnet out, is there a error in my setup?


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From: nedh@lightlink.com (Ned Horning)
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Subject: Connecting a PC and Mac
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I am trying to connect a PC running NT and a Mac IIci with system 7.1
to be able to transfer files between the two systems.  I was thinking
of using a null modem cable for the connection to keep it simple (I
know next to nothing aboout networking) and inexpensive.  I would like
to know if:

1)  Kermit would be a good choice for the software

2) Will Kermit (or any other software) work with this kind of cableing

Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on this.

Ned
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In article <3199bce4.846261@gate>, skjalg@imr.no (Skjalg Thorbjørnsen) writes:
> Hi there,
> We have a network with SUN Unix servers and PC's which runs Sun PC-NFS
> 5.x TCP/IP.
> I received a copy of MS-Kermit 3.00 from a guy who had made some
> settings in a Kermit scriptfile. The purpose is to run an application
> (SAS) on a remote machine in Denmark through Kermit. He had made some
> key-mappings to suit that application.
> The problem is that I can't get connected to the remote machine with
> Kermit. I've tried different SET PORT ... and all it says is that
> Network is unavailable.
> Can I get MS-Kermit to run with PC-NFS and use the server in Denmark
> (I also tried 3.14 which had more Network support but to no use).
> The guy who made the script used 3COM(BAPI)  (wtf is this?) as the
> network and it worked at his place.
> I can of course use PC-NFS buil-in Telnet but I wan't to use the
> keyboard setting already set up with Kermit.
> Btw We are located behind a firewall, does that cause any problems.
------------
	The problem is you already have a TCP/IP stack running; NFS runs
over UDP over IP. You can have only one TCP/IP stack running over a single
lan adapter in a DOS machine. So far as I am aware Sun (or your NFS vendor)
provides no common "terminal-like" interface such as 3COM(BAPI) for that 
stack, and hence MS-DOS Kermit has no way of using that stack rather than 
its own internal one. We do mention this in the MSK documentation.
	Beame and Whiteside make a PC-NFS solution, and MS-DOS Kermit
knows how to talk to their TCP/IP stack. That's not the case with Sun's
PC-NFS product.
	The cheap quick safe solution is put a second Ethernet board in
the clients, assign a unique IP number to it (not the same as for the
first board), then load a Packet Driver or Novell's ODI, and then run 
MS-DOS Kermit. Boards are cheap these days, if there is a free slot.
        Joe D.

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     2  Hi, 

     3  I am trying to send a text file to UNIX(SCO UNIX) from
     4  MSDOS or Win95 in noninteractive mode.   I have tested
     5  the same job with a simple script between MSDOS and LINUX.
     6  It was fine. Unix-to-Unix file transfer works fine too.
     7
     8  1.    With Win 95, I tried to run MS-Kermit3.13(1993) from Visual
     9     Basic4.0 but this time Kermit does not locate my file to send.
    10     I gave another trial under MSDOS environment and result was same.
    11     What parameter am I missing ?
    12
    13  2.    I am interested in backgrond process. My question is
    14     Can WinKermit or Kermit for Win95 be running noninteractively ?
    15
    16  Jinki Jung  (dstnsw@dsn31.doosan.co.kr)
    17


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In article <4nee7r$578@cham.nuri.net>,
Millennium <dstnsw@dsn31.doosan.co.kr> wrote:
:      3  I am trying to send a text file to UNIX(SCO UNIX) from
:      4  MSDOS or Win95 in noninteractive mode.   I have tested
:      5  the same job with a simple script between MSDOS and LINUX.
:      6  It was fine. Unix-to-Unix file transfer works fine too.
:      7
:      8  1.    With Win 95, I tried to run MS-Kermit3.13(1993) from Visual
:      9     Basic4.0 but this time Kermit does not locate my file to send.
:     10     I gave another trial under MSDOS environment and result was same.
:     11     What parameter am I missing ?
:
For Windows 95, you need to use Kermit 95:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

:     13  2.    I am interested in backgrond process. My question is
:     14     Can WinKermit or Kermit for Win95 be running noninteractively ?
:
Yes, Kermit 95 has a full-blown scripting language built-in.  You can use
this language to automate just about any task that can be done interactively.

- Frank

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From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
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Evan Leibovitch (evan@telly.telly.org) wrote:

: That you do not object to Columbia exploiting your efforts is very
: noble. But that does not reverse the fact that Columbia is generating
: revenue, in part, from work you have done. This is exploitation by
: most definitions.

: How many non-Columbia volunteers have joined the Kermit development
: effort in the last two years? There is none of the sense of community
: development that existed when the product started, and the credits
: section of the Kermit manual went on for pages.

I suppose you could count me. In return for the cost of the MS-DOS Kermit
and C-Kermit books, I've received a continually improving product and great
support.

: Why? The Kermit Project has become a massive self-perpetuating
: make-work project; its quasi-commercial initiatives only exist
: to help justify ongoing support by Columbia brass, on what is
: essentially a mature product that needs no further continuing support.

Yes and no... the product is mature, but the functionality continues to 
improve and the continuing support of new (and old) operating systems is
great. If and when NT 3.51 or later gets installed at work, K95 will be
the first commercial software to be purchased for the machines running
it.

-- 
Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 
              arthur@dircsa.org.au
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <DrGBp1.Lv6@telly.telly.org>, evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
> In article <4nb0e3$bb1@news.htp.net>,
> 	Norbert E. Kremer <norbert@mail.htp.com> wrote:
> 
>>In article <DrBn7n.8Fz@telly.telly.org>, evan@telly.telly.org says...
> 
>>Wow,  I am sure I am missing something in the history of this discussion, 
>>which would make this why this level of emotion is justified.....
	<omitting much>
> My comments are not to deny Columbia the ability to do what they please
> with Kermit, only to point out the hypocricy of these policies and the
> effect they have had on recruitment efforts for Kermit developers.

Evan,
	The hypocracy is yours. You are purposfully creating a very negative
impression without the facts to substantiate it. You know next to nothing
about "recruitment efforts for Kermit developers." Spreading FUD again.
	I told you once before: please stop minding other people's business.
After the third or fourth repetition of (mis)advice the affair goes from
informative to repetitious to intrusive to abusive, and you are at that 
threshold.
	As a business person you can pick up the telephone/fax/email and
contact Columbia on terms to distribute Kermit to your customers. Easy as
can be; you do that all the time for other products sold by your company.
Have you done so? We suspect not. Contrast this to your hot air on NEWS.
	Joe D.


>  Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
> Caldera Business Partner / SCO Authorized VAR / evan@telly.org / (905) 452-0504
>       Economists have successfully predicted 14 of the last 2 recessions

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Sorry in advance if this is a question millions have asked 
before. I didn't find any info in the FAQ.

How can I find out just what codes are generated by, for 
instance,

	set key  \4434 \KdecFind

I need to make some small changes to several of the codes. 
decFind (and other dec commands) seems to be wired into Kermit; 
at any rate, I didn't see a table of codes listed out anywhere.

I'm using Kermit for DOS, v. 3.13.

Thanks. Bill.


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From: degraaf@lys.vnet.net (degraaf)
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Subject: kermit & MS TCP/IP-32, v3.11b
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Kermit _can_ be run over MicroSoft's new TCP/IP-32 ver 3.11b stack,
but there's a trick.

Short story:

You must add NDIS3PKT.386 and you must use two different IP addresses,
one for the MS stack, the other for kermit.

Long story:

I have a samba UNIX server and wanted to use the new MS TCP/IP-32
ver3.11b stack for WindowsforWorkgroups 3.11 and also use kermit
to log on directly to UNIX from a client PC.  I collected from
ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/clients/wfw the files TCP32B.EXE and
WFWFILES.EXE, as well as instruction files, INDEX.TXT, UPDATE.TXT, and
WFWFILES.TXT.  The .EXE files expand into floppy-loads that are used to
install this new stack into WfW 3.11 and some new files that are
manually copied according to the complete instructions given.

This new stack uses NDIS ver 3 to access the Ethernet card, while
kermit uses a packet driver.  Previously, DIS_PKT9.DOS was interposed 
between kermit's packet driver and the NDIS module, and WINPKT.COM
was used to mediate between Windows and the packet driver.
This was clearly documented by Joe Doupnik in DIS_PKT.DOC in the
Kermit for DOS package.  Unfortunately these NDIS 2 programs don't work
any more with the new NDIS 3 stack.

Instead, one uses NDIS3PKT.386, written by Daniel D. Lanciani.
It is a Windows VxD (Virtual Device) which provides a packet driver
interface on top of NDIS 3.  I collected ver 1.2 from
pc.usl.edu/pub/packet_drivers -  ndis3pkt.386 and ndis3pkt.readme.
Installation is very simple:

Copy NDIS3PKT.386 file to the system directory, eg C:\WFW\SYSTEM.
In system.ini, add to [386Enh]
	device=ndis3pkt.386
and add a new section
	[ndis3pkt]
	netcard0=MS$NE1CLONE

where MS$NE1CLONE happens to be the driver name for my network card.
Yours may well be different.  (It's usually found in the BINDINGS= line
of the [NETBEUI] section of protocol.ini)

Now comes the trick.  You have, during network initialization,
specified an IP address for the PC.  This is used by the MS stack in
its communications with other machines on the network.
You must also give kermit an IP address, usually in MSCUSTOM.INI, eg,
	 SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 192.9.100.23   ;(NOT 192.9.100.22)
Be SURE this is different from the address given to TCP/IP!

When I initially used a single IP address for both, kermit's attempt 
to open a connection to the UNIX server failed with the  message
"Connection refused by host".  With a different IP address
for kermit, connections succeed.

Apparently, when packets arrive for both NDIS and the packet driver
using the same IP address, bad things happen in the new MS stack. 
Since NDIS3PKT.386 includes a multiplexor, the same "extra" IP address
can be used by several packet driver programs, such as kermit. 
But you must now use up two addresses for each PC. 
Thanks, MicroSoft.

--
	David A. De Graaf	degraaf@vnet.net
	DATIX, Inc.		(803) 785-3136

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <DrLunL.AH5@boss.cs.ohiou.edu>,
William M. Leal <73131.3554@compuserve.com> wrote:
: Sorry in advance if this is a question millions have asked 
: before. I didn't find any info in the FAQ.
: 
: How can I find out just what codes are generated by, for 
: instance,
: 
: 	set key  \4434 \KdecFind
: 
: I need to make some small changes to several of the codes. 
: decFind (and other dec commands) seems to be wired into Kermit; 
: at any rate, I didn't see a table of codes listed out anywhere.
: 
: I'm using Kermit for DOS, v. 3.13.
: 
The codes are listed on pages 290-294 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit",
second edition.  Of course you can assign any other codes you want,
but \KdecFind, etc, send the correct codes.

- Frank

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: Millennium <dstnsw@dsn31.doosan.co.kr> wrote:
: :      3  I am trying to send a text file to UNIX(SCO UNIX) from
: :      4  MSDOS or Win95 in noninteractive mode.   I have tested

Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: For Windows 95, you need to use Kermit 95:
:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

Frank, I think "need" is too strong a word here ;-)
"would want" is a better substitute.

I used MSKermit under Win95 until the Kermit-95 package arrived.
I had no problems with serial connections, didn't try cobbling the TCP
widgets together, since I knew K-95 would be arriving soon.

I did use a modern MSKermit(3.14), though.

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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Subject: Announcing C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta For UNIX, VMS, AOS, and Mac
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This is to announce a public Beta testing period for C-Kermit 6.0.192 for
UNIX, VMS, AOS/VS, and (sort of) the Macintosh, hopefully to be joined by
several other operating systems along the way.  The previous general release
of C-Kermit was 5A(190) in October 1994.

The major new features include:

 . Serial communications:
     Dialing - A major overhaul of C-Kermit's dialing capalities (see below)
     Modems - A major overhaul of C-Kermit's modem support (see below)
     Speeds: more and higher speeds allowed in many versions (e.g. VMS)
 
 . TCP/IP:
     New ability to accept incoming TCP/IP connections (UNIX and VMS only)
     New SET TCP controls (buffer sizes, "linger", etc)
     New SET TELNET controls (binary mode, etc)
     New command-line option "-J <host>" makes C-Kermit work like Telnet

 . X.25 support updated for SunLink 8.00 and 9.00.

 . File transfer:
     REGET (crash recovery, like RESEND, but for downloading from a server)
     Autodownload (automatic RECEIVE while in CONNECT mode) (VMS and UNIX)
     Dynamic packet timeouts
     Lots of useful stuff added to fullscreen file transfer display
     ADD SEND-LIST (build up a list of files to send)
     FAST, CAUTIOUS, ROBUST commands (quick selection of transfer settings)
     SET FILE DOWNLOAD-DIRECTORY (make all downloads go to same place)
     SET FILE DESTINATION { DISK, PRINTER, SCREEN } as in MS-DOS Kermit
     SET PRINTER (file, device, or pipe)
     Text-file record format selection
     In UNIX, built-in support for external protocols (ZMODEM, etc)

 . Client/server:
     SET SERVER LOGIN <username> <password> (for incoming connections)
     Redirection of REMOTE commands (to file, printer, or pipe)
     SET SERVER GET-PATH (search path for GET requests)
     New REMOTE commands: RENAME, COPY

 . Script programming:
     Local (automatic) variables for macros
     New C-like commaless, dashless syntax for script programs
     New SWITCH statement like in C
     SET/IF/SHOW ALARM as in MS-DOS Kermit
     PAUSE, SLEEP, WAIT, INPUT, SET ALARM also accept hh:mm:ss as in MS Kermit
     Many new variables and functions, listed below
     Long variable names now can be used with READ, ASK, etc
     SET INPUT BUFFER-LENGTH allows you to make the INPUT buffer any size
     Braces allowed for grouping in function arguments
     Automatic evaluation of arithmetic expressions in many contexts

 . General:
     Ability to become a fully transparent 8-bit link between 2 end systems
     Improved context-sensitive "?" keyword and file menus
     "More?" prompting for most menus, HELP, and SHOW text
     More and better messages
     Default prompt now shows current directory
     NOPUSH available at runtime to disable escape to system
     Many new file management commands, e.g. MKDIR, RMDIR
     Improved speed & responsiveness on many System V based UNIXes

DYNAMIC PACKET TIMEOUTS

In previous versions of C-Kermit, packet timeouts were fixed at some
constant value, like 10 seconds.  This could be changed by the user, but
it still remained fixed throughout the file transfer.  This had two
unfortunate consequences:

 1. It the timeout was too short the file transfer would always fail.
 2. If it was too long, error recovery was slow.

Situation (1) was surprisingly common.  For example, if you dialed in with
a slow modem (say, 1200 bps) and tried to transfer a file using long packets
(say, 2400 bytes), then 2400 / 120 = 20 seconds would be needed for each
packet.  If C-Kermit *knew* the speed was 1200, it would take this into
account, but often it would have no way to know, e.g. if you were going
through a terminal server, in which case the system sets some default
value for your speed, like 19200 or 38400, and Kermit never knows the
real speed.

The new method, which is used unless you specify otherwise, calculates
timeouts on a per-packet basis, based on the observed round-trip time (the
time from when a packet is sent until its acknowledgement is received).
This lets Kermit adjust automatically to prevailing conditions -- slow
connections, fast connections, bursty connections -- even if they are
always changing.

Acknowledgments to Tim Kientzle for demonstrating how simply this can be
done (but of course there are always a few extra wrinkles in practice :-)

INCOMING TCP/IP CONNECTIONS

This is just a first step, and is so far available only in the UNIX and VMS
versions, and then only in certain of them (the ones with a sockets library
AND that have the select() function available).  The idea is that you can
tell C-Kermit to wait for an incoming TCP/IP connection on a socket of your
choice.  What you do with it after the connection comes in is up to you.  It
can be put into server mode; it can run some kind of script (like a "host
mode" script); you can even go into CONNECT mode and have a "chat" session.

If you put it into server mode, you can also specify a username and password
that must be supplied by the client before the server will honor any other
requests, and you can also set up all sorts of restrictions on what the
client can do.  This gives ordinary users the ability to set up relatively
secure and private file transfers with anybody else on the Internet, without
any special privilege, without the need to create user IDs, without
requiring access to directories they do not own, etc.

Later on, perhaps even during this Beta period (time permitting), we'll be
expanding this to provide a kind of generic "Kermit service" on the
Internet, similar to FTP service, the details of which remain to be worked
out.

DIALING

The biggest change in version 6.0 is in areas of modems and dialing.
In version 6.0, C-Kermit supports:

 . Automatic repeated dialing (no scripts required)
 . Multistage dialing
 . Credit-card dialing
 . Dialing pagers
 . Incoming modem calls (ANSWER command)

But the biggest change is in the dialing directory and in C-Kermit's
understanding of telephone numbers.  The version 5A dialing directory
couldn't have been simpler -- a single file that Kermit searched for a name
and, if found, replaced it with the associated phone number and dialed it,
literally, exactly as found.

Version 6.0 supports multiple simultaneous dialing directories, multiple
(thousands, even) entries under the same name (so, for example, if the first
number is busy, Kermit immediately goes on to the second number, etc), and
most of all, a thorough understanding of dialing procedures: country codes,
area codes, toll-free calling, calling cards, PBXs, and lots more.  This new
knowledge about telephone numbers, in turn, allows "cheapest-first" dialing
when multiple numbers are fetched from the dialing directory, and it allows
dialing directories to be "portable" -- that is, the same entry can be
dialed from anywhere -- local, long-distance, international, etc.
Old-format directories are converted to new format automatically (if you
approve, of course).

MODEMS

"Render unto dialing the things of dialing, and render unto modems the
things of modems..."  The concepts of "dialing" and "modems", which had been
mushed together in previous C-Kermit versions, are now nicely separated.
Dialing related parameters (such as country codes, are codes, repeat
dialing, pulse vs tone dialing, etc) are controlled by SET DIAL commands,
and modem-related items (like error correction, data compression, speed
buffering, flow control, and other modem configuration parameters) are
controlled by SET MODEM commands.  Every aspect of modem operation can be
customized, and new modem types can be added easily.  Furthermore, a lot of
settings that used to have to be done by hand are now done automatically
according to the built-in modem database when you choose a modem type.  And
modem configurations (e.g. with respect to EC, DC, flow-control, etc) follow
the Kermit settings automatically.

Modems supported in version 6.0 include:

  AT&T Dataport 
  AT&T Digital Terminal Data Module 
  AT&T ISN Network
  AT&T switched-network modems
  Boca modems
  CCITT / ITU-T V.25bis
  (old) Cermetek Info-Mate 212 A
  (old) Condor CDS 220 2400b
  (old) DEC DF03-AC
  (old) DEC DF100-series
  (old) DEC DF200-series
  Digitel DT-22 CCITT variant
  Gateway 2000 Telepath
  (old) GeneralDataComm 212A/ED
  Hayes 1200, 2400, and compatible modems
  Hayes Accura, Optima, and Ultra
  IBM Mwave
  Intel Fastalk and Lifestyle
  MaxTech modems
  Microcom DeskPorte FAST ES 28.8
  Microcom modems in native SX mode
  Motorola FasTalk II or Lifestyle
  Multitech modems
  (old) Penril modems
  Practical Peripherals modems
  Racal Vadic VA4492E
  Rockwell V.32
  Rockwell V.32bis
  Rockwell V.34 Data/Fax
  Rolm 8000, 9000, 9751 CBX DCM
  Supra modems
  Telebit modems, all models
  USR Courier and Sportster
  (old) Ven-Tel modems
  Zoltrix modems
  Zoom modems
  ZyXEL modems

(If you want support added for additional modems, be prepared to furnish
a copy of the manual or command summary by email, fax, or post.)

"Telebit Unification" has taken place, and now Telebits are treated like any
other modem, divided roughly into two categories, "telebit" (recent models)
and "old-telebit" (old models like the TrailBlazer).  Any model-specific
variations can be handled easily using SET MODEM commands.

In general, C-Kermit is now much more attuned to the world of high-speed
modems, much easier to use with them, and much easier for users to tune.

SCRIPT PROGRAMMING

C-Kermit's script programming features have been considerably expanded and
simplified.  The script programming language is now:

 . More powerful (it has more features)
 . More structured (a kind of block structure has been added)
 . Easier to use (syntax is simplified)
 . Easier to debug (line numbers are displayed in error messages)
 . More compatible with MS-DOS Kermit

To illustrate, is a script program to print the day of the week in German
(or something like it):

  switch \v(nday) {
    :0, echo Sonntag, break
    :1, echo Montag, break
    :2, echo Dienstag und zunaechst kommt...
    :3, echo Mittwoch, break
    :4, echo Donnerstag, break
    :5, echo Freitag - Gott sei dank, break
    :6, echo Samstag, break
    :default, echo Invalid day - \v(nday)!
  }

Note the new SWITCH statement, the block structure (accomplished by braces),
and the absence of those confusing ",-" constructions at the end of each line.

New Built-In Variables:

  \v(charset)          (local character set)
  \v(connection)       (type of connection - serial, tcp/ip, etc)
  \v(cps)              (speed of most recent file transfer, chars per sec)
  \v(d$xxx)            (various SET DIAL values)
  \v(dialstatus)       (numeric code for DIAL result)
  \v(dialresult)       (literal string returned by modem after dialing)
  \v(download)         (download directory)
  \v(errno)            (value of the "errno" variable)
  \v(errstring)        (error message, if any, associated with errno)
  \v(evaluate)         (result of most recent EVALUATE command)
  \v(ftype)            (current FILE TYPE setting, e.g. "text" or "binary")
  \v(instatus)         (detailed result of the most recent INPUT command)
  \v(minput)           (tells which MINPUT search string was matched)
  \v(modem)            (current modem type)
  \v(m_xxx)            (various SET MODEM COMMAND values)
  \v(newline)          (newline character or sequence appropriate to the OS)
  \v(packetlen)        (current RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH value)
  \v(parity)           (current PARITY setting)
  \v(protocol)         ("kermit")
  \v(rows)             (number of rows (lines) on your screen, if known)
  \v(cols)             (number of columns on your screen, if known)
  \v(terminal)         (terminal type, if known)
  \v(tmpdir)           (directory for creating temporary files)
  \v(query)            (result of most recent REMOTE QUERY command)
  \v(sysid)            (Kermit protocol system/OS code)
  \v(window)           (current SET WINDOW size)
  \v(xversion)         (product-specific C-Kermit version number, if any)
  \v(_line)            (current line number in current command file)

New Built-In Functions:

  \Fbreak(s,c)         (substring of string s up to first occurence of char c)
  \Fcapitalize(s)      (string s capitalized)
  \Fdate(file)         (creation or modification date of file)
  \Fhexify(s)          (hexadecimal representation of string s)   
  \Fipaddr(s,n)        (first IP address in s starting at position n)
  \Fltrim(s1,s2)       (trim all chars that are in s2 from left of s1)
  \Fmodulus(n1,n2)     (n1 mod n2)
  \Freplace(s1,s2,s3)  (replaces all occurrences of s2 in s1 with s3)
  \Frindex(s1,s2,n)    (rightmost occurrence of s1 in s2)
  \Fsize(file)         (size, in bytes, of file)
  \Fspan(s1,s2)        (left substring of s1 with only characters from s2)
  \Ftod2secs(hh:mm:ss) (convert hh:mm:ss to seconds since midnight)
  \Ftrim(s1,s2)        (trim all chars that are in s2 from right of s1)
  \Funhexify(string)   (opposite of \fhexify())
  \Fverify(s1,s2,n)    (position of the first char in s2 not also in s1)

DOCUMENTATION

The new features of C-Kermit 6.0.192 (and in fact, all the features that
have been added since version 5A(188)) are documented in the ckcker.upd
file.  Use this file as a supplement to "Using C-Kermit".

The new modem and dialing features are documented in their own files,
modems.doc and dialing.doc.

Hints and tips, FAQs, etc, applying to C-Kermit as a whole can be found in
the ckcker.bwr file, and to each particular version of C-Kermit in the
ck*ker.bwr files (* = u for UNIX, v for VMS, etc).

Installation instructions are in ck*ins.doc (* = u, v, etc).

All the other online files (man pages, etc) have also been updated.

THE MACINTOSH VERSION

Owing to the chronic lack of Macintosh programmers, the Macintosh version
is still badly neglected (volunteers are always welcome :-).  However:

 . It has been rebuilt on the C-Kermit 6.0 code base, even though all of
   the new features might not be fully integrated; and:

 . It now uses the Communications Tool Box, which should eliminate a
   lot of bombs, as well as allow the use of certain devices, such as
   internal modems, that could not be used before.

TESTED ON...

   Apple Macintosh with Mac OS 6.03.

   DEC Alpha, OpenVMS 6.2 with and without TGV MultiNet.
   DEC VAXstation 3100 VAX/VMS 5.5-1 with and without UCX.
   DEC VAX 4000 VMS 5.5-2 + TGV MultiNet.

   Data General MV 2500/DC AOS/VS II 2.20.00.39 + TCP/IP.

   AT&T 3B2 with System V R2.1
   AT&T UNIX PC 7300 System V R3.51
   DEC 5800 with Ultrix 4.3.
   DEC Alpha with OSF/1 3.0
   DEC Alpha with Digital UNIX 3.2
   HP 9000, various models, with HP-UX versions from 7.05 to 10.01.
   HP 9000 with BSD 4.4-Lite.
   IBM Power Power Series 400 AIX 4.1.
   IBM RS/6000 with AIX 3.1.5 and 3.2.5.
   NCR System 3000, System V R4.2.
   NeXTstation, NeXTSTEP 3.1.
   PCs with BSDI 1.0-C and 2.1.
   PCs with Linux, various versions.
   PCs with QNX 4.22.
   PCs with SCO UNIX 3.2v4 (= ODT 3.0).
   PCs with SCO Open Server R5.0.
   PCs with Unixware 1.1.2, 1.1.4, 2.03, and 2.11.
   SGI Indigo with IRIX 5.3.
   Sun SPARC, SunOS 4.1.3_U1.
   Sun SPARC, Solaris 2.4 and 2.5, SPARC, with gcc and with SunPro CC.
   Sun SPARC, Solaris 2.4 with SunLink X.25 9.00.

and... (would you believe):

   A DEC MicroVAX-II with Bell Labs Research UNIX 10th edition.

Building and testing is still needed on platforms not listed above (as well
as on the ones that are listed :-)

WHERE TO GET IT

Quick access for Web users:
  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit
    Follow the "What's New" link (reload if necessary).

The new test version is available via anonymous ftp from:

  kermit.columbia.edu

in the kermit/test directory tree:

kermit/test/text
  Contains individual source files, documentation files, makefiles, etc
  ftp in text mode.  The general formula for getting all the files you need
  for a particular version is:

    text
    prompt
    mget ck[cuw]*.[cwh] ck?*.* 

  (where ? = v for VMS, m for Macintosh, etc)

kermit/test/macintosh
  The macintosh binary as a BinHex 4.0 file, ckmker.hqx, plus accompanying
  documentation files, such as they are.  ftp in text mode.

kermit/test/tar
  The complete UNIX sources, makefile, and documentation files as compressed
  tar archives: cku192.tar.Z (uncompress) and cku192.tar.gz (gunzip)

kermit/test/bin
  Individual binaries, all of them used to transfer themselves (in binary
  mode, of course :-)  ftp in binary mode:

Filename            Build procedure   Built on

ckdker.pr           ckdmak.cli        DG MV 2500 AOS/VS-II 2.20.73 with TCP/IP
ckmker.hqx          MPW / ckmker.mak  Macintosh IIx Mac OS 6.03
ckuker.bsdi         make bsdi         Intel PC, BSDI 1.0-C
ckuker.dec-osf32    make dec-osf32    DEC Alpha, Digital UNIX 3.2
ckuker.du42c        make du42c        DECstation MIPS, Ultrix 4.3
ckuker.hpux80c      make hpux80c      HP 9000/385, HP-UX 8.00
ckuker.hpux90o700   make hpux90o700   HP 9000/7.12, HP-UX 9.05
ckuker.irix51       make irix51       SGI Indigo, IRIX 5.3
ckuker.next.68000   make next         NeXTstation, NeXTSTEP 3.1
ckuker.qnx16        make qnx16        PC, QNX 4.22, 16-bit
ckuker.qnx32        make qnx32        PC, QNX 4.22, 32-bit
ckuker.rs6aix41     make rs6aix41     IBM Power Series 400, AIX 4.1
ckuker.sco32v5net   make sco32v5net   PC, SCO Open Server R5.0
ckuker.solaris2x    make solaris2x    SPARC, Solaris 2.4
ckuker.solaris2x25  make solaris2x25  SPARC, Solaris 2.4 + SunLink X.25 9.00
ckuker.sunos41c     make sunos41c     SPARC, SunOS 4.1.3_U1
ckuker.unixwarenetc make unixwarenetc PC, UnixWare 2.03
ckvaker.exe         ckvker.mak        DEC Alpha OpenVMS 6.2 (no TCP/IP)
ckvatvg.exe         ckvker.mak        DEC Alpha OpenVMS 6.2 + TGV MultiNet
ckvvker.exe         ckvker.mak        DEC VAX/VMS 5.5-1 (no TCP/IP)
ckvvtgv.exe         ckvker.mak        DEC VAX/VMS 5.5-2H4 + TGV MultiNet
ckvvucx.exe         ckvker.mak        DEC VAX/VMS 5.5-1 + DEC TCP/IP

Reports of all kinds -- good, bad -- are most welcome; please send them
straight to:

  kermit@columbia.edu

Bad ones tend to come anyway, but if you test this version of Kermit and
it's OK, please let us know about that too.  Please be specific about your
hardware platform, operating system and version, etc.

If anybody wants to furnish binaries for this Beta version that are not
already present -- e.g. for DG/UX, VMS with other TCP/IP products, etc,
please send email to kermit@columbia.edu.

Thanks to all the people too numerous to name for their help with system
access, code, bug reports, fixes, suggestions, and encouragement -- and
especially to Jeff Altman.

Watch the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup for further announcements.

Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone
Managers, The Kermit Project
Columbia University

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I have been trying to get MSKermit (the latest version just off
the ftp lines) to do a TCP/IP connection to a Linux box.  Not having
any luck.

There are two machines, Linux is 150.0.0.1, DOS is 150.0.0.2.
The DOS box is running lanwp from a dvx setup.  If I exit dvx, I can
ping the Linux box ok.  I tried the following setup:

set port tcp
set tcp pack odi
set tcp add 150.0.0.2
set tcp sub 255.255.255.0  
set port tcp 150.0.0.1
connect

I get "cannot access IP packets".

So I tried doing a packet driver (ne2000).  It seemed to initialize OK,
then when I do:

set por tcp
set tcp add 150.0.0.2
set tcp sub 255.255.255.0
set port tcp 150.0.0.1
connect

I get cannot ARP resolve 150.0.0.1.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,

Tim Holmes
holmes@gorilla.nbn.com


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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:


>   PCs with Unixware 1.1.2, 1.1.4, 2.03, and 2.11.

No big deal... but I am not aware that UW-2.11 has been released.
-- 
--
Thanh Ma
tma@encore.com

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In article <Dro3GH.13L@encore.com>, Thanh Ma <tma@encore.com> wrote:
: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
: >   PCs with Unixware 1.1.2, 1.1.4, 2.03, and 2.11.
: No big deal... but I am not aware that UW-2.11 has been released.
:
Nevertheless, C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta.025 has been built and tested there :-)

- Frank

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In article <4nb0e3$bb1@news.htp.net>,
Norbert E. Kremer <norbert@mail.htp.com> wrote:
>In article <DrBn7n.8Fz@telly.telly.org>, evan@telly.telly.org says...
>>
>Wow,  I am sure I am missing something in the history of this discussion, 
>which would make this why this level of emotion is justified.....

Yes, kermit had a long and noble history of being developed by vast
numbers of contributors.  In those days, the distribution documentation
contained some rather strong wording about how kermit software would
'always remain free'.  Unsurprisingly, this document has disappeared
from current releases.  At least they do still retain credits to the
contributors in the source.

>You seem to want it both ways....   you say kermit is legacy-ware, all
>these other apps blow it away, etc.   Then why are you so upset that it's
>not "free" according to your definition. 

It's not free for anyone who is likely to need it.

>I have used kermit on and off over the years for the purpose at which it
>beats everything else that I'm aware of:   connecting reliably across 
>different platforms.  Personally, I use kermit only when I have to, there
>are other programs (that I have paid for) that I prefer to use when I can. 

Yes, thanks to the efforts of many volunteers over the years it is
available and reliable on many platforms.  That is it's real value.

>But it has never once occurred to me to complain about kermit's distribution
>policies:  I just don't find it a big bother to grab it off of their ftp site.

If you can use ftp, you probably don't really need kermit to transfer
files, do you?  The people who need it are the ones who have a modem
and a CD distribution of Linux.  Or a PC and a modem and a local BBS
that carries copies of popular free software.

>Seems to me that if they wrote it, they can spread it around in any manner
>they choose, even if that is not the same manner that FSF and GPL choose
>to do it. 

In the case of the Dos and Win95 versions, I'd say that is reasonable.
In the case of the unix version, I think it would not be too much to
ask for them to obtain the permission of all the contributors who
thought they were contributing to a freely redistributable product
before changing their policy.

>If you don't like that policy, you can 1.) not use kermit 
>2.) write a really "free" compatible program and GPL it.

Basically, (1) has pretty much already happened.  Some other university
developed something called tcp/ip and they don't seem to mind how
people use it or distribute it.

Les Mikesell
  les@mcs.com 

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In article <4no92v$17l@Mercury.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell <les@MCS.COM> wrote:
: It's not free for anyone who is likely to need it.
: 
I'm sure that millions of people would disagree with you.  The Kermit
archive has up to 10,000 ftp accesses a day.  Maybe a half million to a
million a year.  And it's been like this for many years.  Often, a single
ftp access results in thousands of people getting the software; for example
at a university, and then using it in the situations where they do not have
ftp or telnet.

: If you can use ftp, you probably don't really need kermit to transfer
: files, do you?
:
Then why do so many people use ftp to get Kermit software?

: The people who need it are the ones who have a modem and a CD distribution
: of Linux.  Or a PC and a modem and a local BBS that carries copies of
: popular free software.
: 
Exactly, and there's the rub.  The people who complain about our policies in
this regard obviously do not understand them.  In order for a company (such
as CD-ROM seller, or a BBS maker) to distribute our softare to its
customers, it must obtain written permission.  How does it do that?  It
contacts us and asks for it.  Then we discuss the situation and usually come
to a *mutually beneficial* agreement.  This is the norm, and it works.
Those who complain about our copyright notices and restrictions on
redistribution are generally those who never opened up any lines of
communication.

: In the case of the unix version, I think it would not be too much to
: ask for them to obtain the permission of all the contributors who
: thought they were contributing to a freely redistributable product
: before changing their policy.
: 
Anybody who wants the UNIX version for themselves can ftp it from us.
Nobody's trust has been violated.  The hot spot seems to be centered on the
Linux packagers.  These people make and sell CDROMs for money.  If they want
to include C-Kermit on their CDROMs, they have to come to a *mutually
beneficial* arrangement with us.  How many of them do you think have even
gone so far as to ask us about it?  On the other hand, if they don't want to
include Kermit, then why the fuss?

I don't think anybody has cause for complaint.  Kermit software has served
millions for free for more than fifteen years.  The only people to whom it
is not free (Kermit 95 aside, and aside from those who order Kermit from us
on physical media) are those who themselves make money or otherwise gain
commercial advantage from it *as a commodity*.  If they make money from our
work, so should we.

Unlike many other similar projects that have come and gone, we're still here
to stand behind our software and protocol, and to support, maintain, and
develop it.  People, companies, laboratories, agencies all over the world
depend on us for that.  If you don't agree that this is a good thing, set up
your own communications software development and support operation and run
it any way you like.

- Frank

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In article <4noddj$aol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
	Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:

>Exactly, and there's the rub.  The people who complain about our policies in
>this regard obviously do not understand them.  In order for a company (such
>as CD-ROM seller, or a BBS maker) to distribute our softare to its
>customers, it must obtain written permission.  How does it do that?  It
>contacts us and asks for it.  Then we discuss the situation and usually come
>to a *mutually beneficial* agreement.  This is the norm, and it works.

This is a load of crap. I still have a copy of the letter I wrote to
*you* November 4 1994, asking about the feasability of my company
producing a CD-ROM that would contain every port of Kermit in existence.
The letter was clear in its intent to pay Columbia for every CD-ROM sold.
I thought it was a good compromise between users who wanted a CD-ROM
distribution, and Columbia which wanted a share of profits from
commercial distribution.

>Those who complain about our copyright notices and restrictions on
>redistribution are generally those who never opened up any lines of
>communication.

I also have a copy of your reply, Frank. You took three months to
answer me, dismissing the idea and blowing it off. It never even
got to the stage of "how much royalties?"

So much for lines of communication. Your statement above about
"those who complain" is provably false.

Pray tell, if I *do* write to Columbia to find out under what terms
you'll let me re-distribute Kermit, and you won't even discuss it,
exactly which part of the distribution policy don't I understand?

If I can't use it for free, and you won't let me license it, what are
the other options?

>Anybody who wants the UNIX version for themselves can ftp it from us.
>Nobody's trust has been violated.  The hot spot seems to be centered on the
>Linux packagers. These people make and sell CDROMs for money. If they want
>to include C-Kermit on their CDROMs, they have to come to a *mutually
>beneficial* arrangement with us.

It's been tried in good faith and rejected. See above.

>How many of them do you think have even gone so far as to ask us about it?

I don't know about anyone else. I know that I personally attempted to
fill a void in a manner that would have resulted in revenue to Columbia,
and you personally turned it down.

What do you want, begging?



PS: My offer to do the CD is still open.

-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
Caldera Business Partner / SCO Authorized VAR / evan@telly.org / (905) 452-0504
      Economists have successfully predicted 14 of the last 2 recessions

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In article <Drou7D.Cvr@telly.telly.org>,
Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.telly.org> wrote:
: 
: This is a load of crap. I still have a copy of the letter I wrote to
: *you* November 4 1994, asking about the feasability of my company
: producing a CD-ROM that would contain every port of Kermit in existence.
: The letter was clear in its intent to pay Columbia for every CD-ROM sold.
: ...
: I also have a copy of your reply, Frank. You took three months to
: answer me, dismissing the idea and blowing it off.
:
Thanks for the reminder, Evan.  I looked it up, and sure enough we had
some correspondence about this.  If you want to classify as "blowing it off"
the fact that we were working 80-100 hours per week on getting the MS-DOS
Kermit 3.14 and C-Kermit 5A(190) releases out and therefore did not have
time to address the issue at the moment -- which is what I told you in my
response -- then I guess I blew it off.

The problem with your request was that it was not routine; you were
basically asking us (as you are now) to change our business model.  If we
had the luxury of trying a new business model, failing, trying another one,
again and again, and had no other demands on our time, this might be fun.

- Frank

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I have C-Kermit 5.0 running under SCO UNIX 3.2.4.2 on a standard
Pentium machine.

The port/modems are running at 19200 baud with a modem connection
speed of 28800. When I dial another machine, log in and list something
to the screen we sometimes experience Xon/Xoff-type drop out.  :-\

We have checked the wiring and modem connection by connecting directly
(without C-kermit between anything) and it works fine. I have checked
that the modem is set for Xon/Xoff and that the remote machine's port
is Xon/Xoff. Kermit's flow-control has been set to XON/XOFF and its
handshake is left as its default (none) - any other setting seems to
either make no difference or cause other problems.

I would be very grateful if someone who has experience of this sort of
thing could give me some clues.

Thanks in advance
Chris R.

--
All views are my own and are not necessarily those of my employer.

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In article <4ndec3$skd@epx.cis.umn.edu>, mill0440@gold.tc.umn.edu (Henry W Miller) writes:
> I'm having troubles setting up[ over odi drivers, in particular, I cannot
> arp to my kermit machines running in server mode. (mskermit 3.14, patch 8) 

	Henry, could you have another try at this report? I am having much
difficulty following along ("pc" is overloaded).
	MSK does run fine over ODI, and your fragmentary NET.CFG file has
the right stuff (tm). Please do watch out for IRQ 3 because it's used by COM2,
but you knew that already.
        Also please keep in mind two other factors which may influence things
here. One is there is a bug in MSK 3.14 such that comms between boards made
by the same vendor may not work (it's echo suppression from NDIS drivers
that has the bug which drops packet having the same three leading bytes of
MAC address as the local machine). The other is some versions of Linux have
real ARP problems. I don't run Linux so I have no details to help.
	Somehow I don't think problem #1 is active here, but you can tell
us more.
	Please contact me directly at jrd@cc.usu.edu and we will try to
sort out the difficulty.
	Thanks,
        Joe D.

> What I have is a test network of PCs (testing routers) and I want to use a
> couple PCs running kermit to generate ip traffic.  Kermit itself works, that is
> I can connect to a PC (running on a packet driver) from the pc runing the odi
> stuff.  but I cannot connect to the odi machine unless I know have the mac
> address already avaibal.  Ie, If I connect to a unix box and then disconnect
> the unix box will then be able to connect to the pc.  but if I try to connect
> to the pc before connecting fromn the pc, nothing will happen.  I intend to be
> working only between PCs runnign odi stacks, on networks where other hosts may 
> not be avaibal.
> 
> While I could run a packet driver, that is not an idea solution since these pc
> will also spend part time running netware client software when we need IPX 
> traffic.  currently we have batch programs to load and unload the odi drivers
> for which ever boards are in the pc (normally more then one, but only one is
> used at a time)  
> 
> form the net.cfg file, I have
> 
> Link driver exos
> 	int #1 3
> 	port #1 300
> (or similer data, depending on teh exact nature of the board, currently
> I've only worked with ethernet)
> 	FRAME Ethernet_II
> 	PROTOCOL IP 0800 Ethernet_II
> 	PROTOCOL ARP 0806 Ethernet_II
> 	PROTOCOL RARP 8035 Ethernet_II
> 
> 
> According to the readme files this is the correct values
> (\kermit\networks\setup.doc) I know that IP is itself working coffectly, 
> becuase I can telnet out, is there a error in my setup?
> 

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Subject: Re: Q: Does C-Kermit 5.0 have an inherrant Xon/Xoff problem?
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In article <31a1a81b.14168617@news.dial.pipex.com>,
Chris Raper <triocomp@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
: I have C-Kermit 5.0...
:
You mean 6.0?

: ... running under SCO UNIX 3.2.4.2 on a standard Pentium machine.
: 
: The port/modems are running at 19200 baud with a modem connection
: speed of 28800. 
:
So why not run the port at 38400 or higher?

: When I dial another machine, log in and list something
: to the screen we sometimes experience Xon/Xoff-type drop out.  :-\
: 
What exactly do you mean by drop out?  Lost chunks of data?  Deadlocks?

: We have checked the wiring and modem connection by connecting directly
: (without C-kermit between anything) and it works fine. I have checked
: that the modem is set for Xon/Xoff...
:
You mean for LOCAL Xon/Xoff?  With or without passthrough?

: and that the remote machine's port
: is Xon/Xoff.
:
And what about the remote modem?

: Kermit's flow-control has been set to XON/XOFF and its
: handshake is left as its default (none) - any other setting seems to
: either make no difference or cause other problems.
: 
: I would be very grateful if someone who has experience of this sort of
: thing could give me some clues.
: 
Yes, please, anybody with direct experience on SCO 3.2v4.2 please pipe up.
But to answer in a general way...

First, why not use RTS/CTS?  C-Kermit does support it on SCO 3.2v4.2, and
you should always use RTS/CTS if it's available, rather than Xon/Xoff.

Flow control is done by the device driver, not by Kermit.  You tell Kermit
to "set flow xon/xoff" (or whatever) and Kermit tells the device driver.  If
it does not seem to be working satisfactorily, then:

 . The device driver is buggy (it happens).

 . The modem is buggy (it happens).

 . You're using a version of C-Kermit that was not built for precisely
   your platform / OS / version / configuration.  APIs are likely to
   change from OS version to the next.

 . Kermit is using the wrong API or using the right one incorrectly
   (not likely, otherwise we've had heard about it by now, but not
   out of the question either).

 . There is a mismatch between the flow control that Kermit is using
   and the type of flow control being used by the device it is connected to.

 . It is working as well as it can work, but Xon/Xoff is at best an
   imperfect means of flow control, as the flow control signals themselves
   are in-line data, themselves subject to flow control and to corruption,
   as well as delays and misinterpration.

The general guideline is: set the interface speed higher (at least two to
four times as high) than the modem modulation speed, and use RTS/CTS flow
control if it is available.  Use Xon/Xoff only as a last resort.

- Frank

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From: kevin.martin@citicorp.com (Kevin Martin)
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This may be coals to Newcastle, but I finally got K95 to work with
the EDT keypad (actually EVE/TPU emulating EDT), and thought I'd share.
Took me a whopping ten minutes to collect all the keycodes....

I'm using the online help rather than the manual, and couldn't figure
out how to invoke "keymaps," which I'm sure is the way Frank would 
prefer that we do this.  :-)

Anyway, for those keys where NumLock makes a difference, I just define
the key *twice.*  NumLock is now my GOLD (PF1) key; end of problems.
Hope this is of some use.

; begin KM95CUS~M.INI
echo Executing \v(cmdfile) for \v(system)...
set term byte 8  ; makes EVE much happier! Thanks, Frank
set term keypad application
set key \4496 \Kgold
set key \4463 \Kpf2
set key \362 \Kpf3
set key \365 \Kpf4
set key \292 \Kkp7
set key \359 \Kkp7
set key \294 \Kkp8
set key \360 \Kkp8
set key \289 \Kkp9
set key \361 \Kkp9
set key \363 \Kkpcoma
set key \4365 \Kkpenter
set key \293 \Kkp4
set key \356 \Kkp4
set key \268 \Kkp5
set key \357 \Kkp5
set key \295 \Kkp6
set key \358 \Kkp6
set key \291 \Kkp1
set key \353 \Kkp1
set key \296 \Kkp2
set key \354 \Kkp2
set key \290 \Kkp3
set key \355 \Kkp3
set key \352 \Kkp0
set key \301 \Kkp0
set key \366 \Kkpdot
set key \302 \Kkpdot
end ; of K95CUS~M.INI

 

--
Kevin.Martin@citicorp.com
I do not speak for Citibank/Citicorp.

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Leslie Mikesell (les@MCS.COM) wrote:
: In article <4nb0e3$bb1@news.htp.net>,
: Norbert E. Kremer <norbert@mail.htp.com> wrote:
[snip]
:>But it has never once occurred to me to complain about kermit's distribution
:>policies:  I just don't find it a big bother to grab it off of their ftp site.

: If you can use ftp, you probably don't really need kermit to transfer
: files, do you?  The people who need it are the ones who have a modem
: and a CD distribution of Linux.  Or a PC and a modem and a local BBS
: that carries copies of popular free software.

That is not the whole story. I have ftp via a direct internet connection,
and amongst other things I use it to quickly d/l ckermit, put it on a floppy
in my office and carry it home where I use it to go online, rather than
d/l with a 9.6 kB modem forever. Some people use ckermit as telnet frontend
or replacement even for netwok connections since

a) its vt{You name it} emulation blows others out of the water
b) it is nice to have the same interface over dial up and direct network
c) it can be scripted to make even ftp sort of automagic
d) it provides nice cut-and-paste features and scroll back buffers and the
   like, and speed, which beats the ones of IBMs telnet version for OS/2
   Warp Connect (that's what I use on PCs).

People with a modem and Linux and all could as well use some SLIP/PPP
connection and the built-in telnet/ftp clients, in an X-term even (to get,
say, Tektronix), and use z-modem for d/l. No _need_, just desire for C-Kermit
when using Linux (or anything for that matter).
My modem came with some -- at most: crappy -- terminal emulation software
which I could use. My OS came with a slightly more usable terminal emulator
which I could use. But I want a _good_ emulator, not a GUI wiz-bang thing
that chokes on plain vt100. So, I want c-kermit. And bought the book.
And am prepared to pay for it if the price is reasonable.
If software is good and free, that's fine. If it is good and not free I'll
buy it if I need and can afford it. It's as simple as buying a burger.

I see the potential problem with contributions from third parties to
c-kermit, and I'd expect the Kermit people will have an answer for
that. Maybe by running the whole thing as self-supporting, non-profit
project or some such. But that is up to them and, I suppose, their law
department. 
I, for one, don't mind sending in bug reports and ideas and do not even
consider this contributing. The options would be to send in stuff to some
software giant who never fixes anything or tells you to upgrade to version
n+1 instead ... 

Kind regards.   Stefan

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In article <Dro3GH.13L@encore.com>, tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) writes:
> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> 
> 
>>   PCs with Unixware 1.1.2, 1.1.4, 2.03, and 2.11.
> 
> No big deal... but I am not aware that UW-2.11 has been released.
> -- 
--------
	As the sign says, no big deal. That's UnixWare version 2.10 in
reality, and it's my machine upon which the latest CKermit was built.
CK runs just fine on it, thankyouverymuch. What is difficult to find
from the outside is the minor-minor version digit, the "0" above, since
uname provides only "2.1" rather than "2.1<whatever>" You almost have to 
have the SCO CD-ROM in front of you to know the final digit.
	Joe D.

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In article <DrMp8y.H3p@gorilla.nbn.com>, holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes:
> I have been trying to get MSKermit (the latest version just off
> the ftp lines) to do a TCP/IP connection to a Linux box.  Not having
> any luck.
> 
> There are two machines, Linux is 150.0.0.1, DOS is 150.0.0.2.
> The DOS box is running lanwp from a dvx setup.  If I exit dvx, I can
> ping the Linux box ok.  I tried the following setup:
> 
> set port tcp
> set tcp pack odi
> set tcp add 150.0.0.2
> set tcp sub 255.255.255.0  
> set port tcp 150.0.0.1
> connect
> 
> I get "cannot access IP packets".

	Most likely because your net.cfg file is improperly constructed
or there is another TCP/IP stack using the board. Please see the MSK 
distribution docs for example net.cfg files. Unload that other stack 
so Kermit can get at the board.
	Joe D.
> 
> So I tried doing a packet driver (ne2000).  It seemed to initialize OK,
> then when I do:
> 
> set por tcp
> set tcp add 150.0.0.2
> set tcp sub 255.255.255.0
> set port tcp 150.0.0.1
> connect
> 
> I get cannot ARP resolve 150.0.0.1.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim Holmes
> holmes@gorilla.nbn.com
> 

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Hi everybody.
1) Can anybody say to me which protocol (Xmodem, Zmodem, Kermit...) is the 
best and fastest to transfer files between computers throught a phone line?.
2) Do these protocols automatically change the CR - CR-LF when transferring 
between UNIX and DOS systems?
TIA...
Anastasio Sanchez

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jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>In article <Dro3GH.13L@encore.com>, tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) writes:
>> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>> 
>> 
>>>   PCs with Unixware 1.1.2, 1.1.4, 2.03, and 2.11.
>> 
>> No big deal... but I am not aware that UW-2.11 has been released.
>> -- 
>--------
>	As the sign says, no big deal. That's UnixWare version 2.10 in
>reality, and it's my machine upon which the latest CKermit was built.
>CK runs just fine on it, thankyouverymuch. What is difficult to find
>from the outside is the minor-minor version digit, the "0" above, since
>uname provides only "2.1" rather than "2.1<whatever>" You almost have to 
>have the SCO CD-ROM in front of you to know the final digit.

Joe,

It is my only curiosity ... as I was told that UW-2.11 is being worked on,
yes, real UW-2.11. Until then, I bet that uname -v will return 2.11.
-- 
--
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tma@encore.com

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>>>>> "AS" == Anastasio Sanchez <sanchezba@inta.es> writes:

AS> 1) Can anybody say to me which protocol (Xmodem, Zmodem, Kermit...)
AS> is the best and fastest to transfer files between computers throught
AS> a phone line?.

"Best" and "fastest" may not be synonymous; they could be mutually
exclusive.  Of the three, xmodem is probably not worth looking at.
Kermit by default is the most robust, able to deal with a poor
connection better than the other two protocols.  Zmodem by default is
the fastest of the three, but it cannot deal with line noise nearly as
well as kermit.  Both kermit and zmodem may be tweaked to provide more
or less robustness on dirty lines, in exchange for throughput; at
maximum throughput both perform similarly.

AS> 2) Do these protocols automatically change the CR - CR-LF when
AS> transferring between UNIX and DOS systems?

Kermit defaults to text mode; 'set file type binary' to set binary
transfer mode.  Zmodem defaults to binary transfer mode; use the -a
switch to set text transfer mode.

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holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes:

>I have been trying to get MSKermit (the latest version just off
>the ftp lines) to do a TCP/IP connection to a Linux box.  Not having
>any luck.

>There are two machines, Linux is 150.0.0.1, DOS is 150.0.0.2.
>The DOS box is running lanwp from a dvx setup.  If I exit dvx, I can
>ping the Linux box ok.  I tried the following setup:

>set port tcp
>set tcp pack odi
>set tcp add 150.0.0.2
>set tcp sub 255.255.255.0  
>set port tcp 150.0.0.1
>connect

>I get "cannot access IP packets".

>So I tried doing a packet driver (ne2000).  It seemed to initialize OK,
>then when I do:

>set por tcp
>set tcp add 150.0.0.2
>set tcp sub 255.255.255.0
>set port tcp 150.0.0.1
>connect

>I get cannot ARP resolve 150.0.0.1.

>What am I doing wrong?

>Thanks,

>Tim Holmes
>holmes@gorilla.nbn.com


Neither 150.0.0.1 or 150.0.0.2 appeared to be registered in the DNS
so the Addres resolution protocol is trying to look their names, and
failing.

(You would need to talk to a local network administrator to get you
boxes registered).

Matthew Moore



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On 21 May 1996 18:32:37 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da
Cruz) wrote:

[whole article snipped]

Many thanks Frank,

Your tips & suggestions were very useful - and educational.

The upshot is - a humble apology from your's truely  :-)

After a complete brainwave (well, the brain fog seems to have cleared
a bit anyway!) I used cu to dial another machine and got the same
problems with it   :-(

If it gets to be a major problem I will have to upgrade the wiring at
both ends to give RTS/CTS support.

Cheers
Chris R.

--
All views are my own and are not necessarily those of my employer.

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I add to degraaf's post the information that Kermit (3.13 and 3.14)
will run alomgside the Microsoft stack under Windows 95.
(I say alongside because the second IP address is needed).

NDIS3PKT installation under WIN95 is simpler : in the
network control panel you choose ADD protocol,
and specify location of NDS3PKT under
'HAVE DISK' - WIN95 does the rest.

Matthew Moore

degraaf@lys.vnet.net (degraaf) writes:

>Kermit _can_ be run over MicroSoft's new TCP/IP-32 ver 3.11b stack,
>but there's a trick.

>Short story:

>You must add NDIS3PKT.386 and you must use two different IP addresses,
>one for the MS stack, the other for kermit.

>Long story:

>I have a samba UNIX server and wanted to use the new MS TCP/IP-32
>ver3.11b stack for WindowsforWorkgroups 3.11 and also use kermit
>to log on directly to UNIX from a client PC.  I collected from
>ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/clients/wfw the files TCP32B.EXE and
>WFWFILES.EXE, as well as instruction files, INDEX.TXT, UPDATE.TXT, and
>WFWFILES.TXT.  The .EXE files expand into floppy-loads that are used to
>install this new stack into WfW 3.11 and some new files that are
>manually copied according to the complete instructions given.

>This new stack uses NDIS ver 3 to access the Ethernet card, while
>kermit uses a packet driver.  Previously, DIS_PKT9.DOS was interposed 
>between kermit's packet driver and the NDIS module, and WINPKT.COM
>was used to mediate between Windows and the packet driver.
>This was clearly documented by Joe Doupnik in DIS_PKT.DOC in the
>Kermit for DOS package.  Unfortunately these NDIS 2 programs don't work
>any more with the new NDIS 3 stack.

>Instead, one uses NDIS3PKT.386, written by Daniel D. Lanciani.
>It is a Windows VxD (Virtual Device) which provides a packet driver
>interface on top of NDIS 3.  I collected ver 1.2 from
>pc.usl.edu/pub/packet_drivers -  ndis3pkt.386 and ndis3pkt.readme.
>Installation is very simple:

>Copy NDIS3PKT.386 file to the system directory, eg C:\WFW\SYSTEM.
>In system.ini, add to [386Enh]
>	device=ndis3pkt.386
>and add a new section
>	[ndis3pkt]
>	netcard0=MS$NE1CLONE

>where MS$NE1CLONE happens to be the driver name for my network card.
>Yours may well be different.  (It's usually found in the BINDINGS= line
>of the [NETBEUI] section of protocol.ini)

>Now comes the trick.  You have, during network initialization,
>specified an IP address for the PC.  This is used by the MS stack in
>its communications with other machines on the network.
>You must also give kermit an IP address, usually in MSCUSTOM.INI, eg,
>	 SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 192.9.100.23   ;(NOT 192.9.100.22)
>Be SURE this is different from the address given to TCP/IP!

>When I initially used a single IP address for both, kermit's attempt 
>to open a connection to the UNIX server failed with the  message
>"Connection refused by host".  With a different IP address
>for kermit, connections succeed.

>Apparently, when packets arrive for both NDIS and the packet driver
>using the same IP address, bad things happen in the new MS stack. 
>Since NDIS3PKT.386 includes a multiplexor, the same "extra" IP address
>can be used by several packet driver programs, such as kermit. 
>But you must now use up two addresses for each PC. 
>Thanks, MicroSoft.

>--
>	David A. De Graaf	degraaf@vnet.net
>	DATIX, Inc.		(803) 785-3136


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From: mhoneth@is.dal.ca (Michael Eric Ragnar Honeth)
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I am trying to download images and zipped files from the university 
server, but do not have the kermit program.  Instead I use BitCom for 
Windows and receive with Kermit protocol.  However, all binary files end 
up corrupted - can't see the images or unzip the programs.

Can anyone supply me with the correct settings I should use for the 
Kermit protocol? Parity bits etc.

I usually use msend or send command.

Thank you in advance!


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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Subject: Re: Best efficiency ?
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John Verne - CNED/F94 (jverne@acs.ryerson.ca) wrote:
: I was just wondering what % some folk's are getting with big binary file 
: transfers in PC-Kermit to C-Kermit.  I seem to get a max of "11%" no 
: matter what I do with the control-prefixing, block length, etc.

The % number is crudely made by dividing the bytes transferred by the serial
port speed.  If you have a link of 115K, and a 14.4 modem, you can, at best,
see a transfer of 13.9%.
This number is derived from the 14.4 modem raw throughput of around 1600cps,
divided by the port speed of 115k.

How many characters per second being delivered is a better check.  With
Kermit using default stuff, except for packet size, and a sliding window of
2 or 4, you should easily see 12-1300 cps on a 14.4 connection.

11% is probably not a bad number.

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: jverne@acs.ryerson.ca (John Verne - CNED/F94)
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I was just wondering what % some folk's are getting with big binary file 
transfers in PC-Kermit to C-Kermit.  I seem to get a max of "11%" no 
matter what I do with the control-prefixing, block length, etc.

Anybody got a secret pointer?

--
Jon D. Verne <jverne@acs.ryerson.ca>

"So with all kindred 'modern improvements' there is an illusion about them; 
there is not always a positive advance.  The devil goes on exacting
compound interest to the last for his early share and numerous succeeding
investments in them.  Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which
distract our attention from serious things.  They are but improved means
to an unimproved end."  -- Henry David Thoreau

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Subject: Re: befuddled by MSKermit TCP/IP!!
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In article <1996May22.152843.27781@ucl.ac.uk>, skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) writes:
> holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes:
> 
>>I have been trying to get MSKermit (the latest version just off
>>the ftp lines) to do a TCP/IP connection to a Linux box.  Not having
>>any luck.
> 
>>There are two machines, Linux is 150.0.0.1, DOS is 150.0.0.2.
>>The DOS box is running lanwp from a dvx setup.  If I exit dvx, I can
>>ping the Linux box ok.  I tried the following setup:
> 
>>set port tcp
>>set tcp pack odi
>>set tcp add 150.0.0.2
>>set tcp sub 255.255.255.0  
>>set port tcp 150.0.0.1
>>connect
> 
>>I get "cannot access IP packets".
> 
>>So I tried doing a packet driver (ne2000).  It seemed to initialize OK,
>>then when I do:
> 
>>set por tcp
>>set tcp add 150.0.0.2
>>set tcp sub 255.255.255.0
>>set port tcp 150.0.0.1
>>connect
> 
>>I get cannot ARP resolve 150.0.0.1.
> 
>>What am I doing wrong?
> 
>>Thanks,
> 
>>Tim Holmes
>>holmes@gorilla.nbn.com
> 
> 
> Neither 150.0.0.1 or 150.0.0.2 appeared to be registered in the DNS
> so the Addres resolution protocol is trying to look their names, and
> failing.
> 
> (You would need to talk to a local network administrator to get you
> boxes registered).
> 
> Matthew Moore
-----------
	150.0.0.x is also illegal with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
because it creates a subnet field, the third octet in this Class B case,
of all zeros.
        Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Best efficiency ?
Date: 23 May 1996 14:08:39 GMT
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In article <4o08gj$d5u@ns2.ryerson.ca>,
John Verne - CNED/F94 <jverne@acs.ryerson.ca> wrote:
: I was just wondering what % some folk's are getting with big binary file 
: transfers in PC-Kermit to C-Kermit.  I seem to get a max of "11%" no 
: matter what I do with the control-prefixing, block length, etc.
: 
11% of what?  When Kermit prints its percent efficiency figure, it is based
upon its idea of the connection speed.  The efficiency is how long the
transfer took, compared to how long it should have taken to move that many
file bytes at the given speed.

Unfortunately, more often than not, the underlying operating does not know
the speed.  For example, if you have a Telnet and/or terminal-server
connection into UNIX, it (usually) thinks your speed is 38400, no matter
what your speed really is.  So even if you are dialing in with 1200 bps
modem, it is calculating the efficiency based on 38400 bps.

Secondly, even when it *does* know the speed of a serial connection, that's
the *interface* speed, not the modulation speed.  For example, on a V.32bis
connection, your interface speed might be 57600 bps, but the modulation speed
is 14400 bps.  And to complicate matters further, the actual throughput over
the modem might be lower (because of error correction) or higher (because of
data compression).

And to confuse matters even more, V.34 modems can "speed-shift" up or down
at any time during the connection, while the interface speed remains constant.

So take the "percent efficiency" figure with a grain of salt and look at the
actual throughput in cps (characters per second).

Kermit's TRUE efficiency can vary from a few percent to many hundreds of
percent, depending on the data itself, the quality of the connection in
terms of noise and delay, whether the connection is 7 bits or 8 bits, and
your packet-length, window size, and control-character unprefixing settings.
It is typical to get 85-100% percent true efficiency if you take the trouble
to select a longer-than-default packet length and a window size greater than
one.

: Anybody got a secret pointer?
: 
It's no secret -- it's in all the Kermit books, and it's the top item on
our FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

- Frank

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From: jodell@netcom.com (Jake Odell)
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Any body figured out how to use ms-kermit with a multi-port dumb card
like Digi, WCSC, etc? How do you tell Kermit to chech the vector port
to see which UART is generating the interrupt?


-- 
jake@pantheon.us.com   jodell@netcom.com

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <jodellDrrE5s.6o0@netcom.com>, Jake Odell <jodell@netcom.com> wrote:
: Any body figured out how to use ms-kermit with a multi-port dumb card
: like Digi, WCSC, etc? How do you tell Kermit to chech the vector port
: to see which UART is generating the interrupt?
: 
Most such cards come with a "Fossil driver".  Install the fossil driver,
then tell Kermit (version 3.14 is needed) to "set port fossil <number>".

- Frank

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From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
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jverne@acs.ryerson.ca (John Verne - CNED/F94) wrote:

>I was just wondering what % some folk's are getting with big binary file 
>transfers in PC-Kermit to C-Kermit.  I seem to get a max of "11%" no 
>matter what I do with the control-prefixing, block length, etc.

As Clarence pointed out, the efficiency (%) can be misleading since it's
based on the DTE (computer to modem) speed. CPS (characters per second) is a
better indication. With my pretty good settings, I routinely get 1620-1640
cps on a 14400 connection for compressed data (zips, gzs) and twice that on
a 28800 connection. And I've achieved those speeds with many different
Kermits (C-Kermit on UNIX and OS/2, MS-Kermit, Kermit95); it shouldn't
matter which you use.

Windows, large packets, and little prefixing are the keys. These days, I
use:

	set window 31
	set send packet 2000
	set receive packet 2000
	set control unprefix all
	set control prefix 0 1 3 128 129 131

These days I make TCP/IP connections as well as dialed ones. I seem to
recall using only "set control prefix 0 1 3" back when I made only dialed
connections.

 - Vince
___
   Vincent Fatica
   Syracuse University Mathematics
   vefatica@syr.edu
   http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/

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From: lsprague@cass.ma02.bull.com (Lin Sprague)
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Subject: Caps lock makes !@#$% instead of 12345
Date: 23 May 1996 16:05:16 -0400
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I'm using Kermit 95 on both Windows NT and Win95 and I've noticed that the
top row number keys produce the punctuation characters rather than numerals
when the Caps Lock key is down, just like if you were holding the <Shift>
key. Is this by design? Is there any way to make it not do this?

-- 
		...Lin Sprague...
		lsprague@crater.ma02.bull.com


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Caps lock makes !@#$% instead of 12345
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In article <4o2gds$1aou@cass.ma02.bull.com>,
Lin Sprague <lsprague@cass.ma02.bull.com> wrote:
: 
: I'm using Kermit 95 on both Windows NT and Win95 and I've noticed that the
: top row number keys produce the punctuation characters rather than numerals
: when the Caps Lock key is down, just like if you were holding the <Shift>
: key. Is this by design? Is there any way to make it not do this?
: 
Kind of makes you want to say "!@#$%"  :-)

(But are you sure it's also happening in Windows NT?)

>From the Kermit 95 BUGS.DOC file:

6. Keyboard Scan Codes and Caps Lock (M)

Certain keyboard scan codes, constructed by Kermit 95 from information
reported by Windows, are inconsistent between Windows NT and Windows 95.
These include Num Lock and Numeric Keypad /.

More seriously, Windows 95 (not NT) returns the shifted version of
non-alphabetic characters when Caps Lock is on; for example, if you press the
"2" key on a USA keyboard with Caps Lock on, you get "@" instead of "2".  In
other words, Caps Lock behaves like Shift Lock.  This is a Windows 95 bug.  The
same K95 code executing under Windows NT returns the correct values.

Workaround: None, except to avoid using Caps Lock.  There is nothing Kermit
can do about this.  If Windows gives it the wrong scan code, Kermit can't
guess what the right one would have been -- especially when you consider the
multiplicity of national and other keyboards.

Cure: If the next Microsoft update or release fixes the Caps Lock bug, it will
be fixed in Kermit.  When the full-GUI, non-console-mode version of Kermit 95
comes out, that, too, will cure this problem by not using the console driver.

(end quote)

There is a kind of workaround for this, however.  You can find it at:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/caps.ksc

It's a key mapping file to "do the right thing" -- but only on a US keyboard.

- Frank

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From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley)
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Subject: Re: Best efficiency ?
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In-reply-to: vefatica@syr.edu's message of Thu, 23 May 1996 15:14:43 GMT

Well, as long as people are on the subject, I'll mention a problem I'm
having (but I admit up front, I haven't tried nearly hard enough to track it
down yet).

I have the following path when attempting to download a file:

Windows NT 4.0 Beta <-> ZyXel <-> USR <-> Portmaster <-> firewall <-> Unix
(with K95)

I am transfering from the Unix box to the Windows NT box. The connection
is 8 bit clean all the way (I'm fairly positive of that).

When I issue all the commands from the FAQ to give me a fast, clean, max
throughput kind of connection and start the download it just screams for the
first few kilobytes, then (judging from the lights on my modem), someone
decides to do some RTS/CTS flow control signalling, and it comes to a dead
halt, sits there for several seconds, flashes the RTS/CTS lights, sends a
few more bytes, then flashes the RTS/CTS lights again, and sort of stays in
"dribble" mode for the rest of the file transfer.

Somewhere along the line, triggering flow control constipates some part of
my connection, but since the problem could be a bug in NT, or a bug in the
ZyXel or USR handling of flow control, or a problem with buffering or flow
control in the Portmaster, or the firewall, or the Unix box, I'm not sure
what to check or where to look. (And a DAT tape in the glove compartment of
my car on the way home is *much* higher bandwidth than kermit, so I don't
need to do file transfers very often, which is why I haven't spent much time
on trying to track this down :-).
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From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Downloading with Kermit
Date: 23 May 1996 23:12:18 GMT
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In article <4nvv4r$21m@News.Dal.Ca>,
mhoneth@is.dal.ca (Michael Eric Ragnar Honeth) writes:

> I am trying to download images and zipped files from the university 
> server, but do not have the kermit program.  Instead I use BitCom for 
> Windows and receive with Kermit protocol.  However, all binary files end 
> up corrupted - can't see the images or unzip the programs.

What kind of system is "the university server"?
Is it using a standard Kermit at its end?

Some systems (such as the Vax I am using at this moment, with Kermit-MS
on my PC serving as both my terminal emulator and file transfer software)
require a command such as "set file type binary" to be given (before send)
to the Kermit on their end, without which the transfer will be corrupt.

If there are excess newlines or carriage returns in the transferred
files, this may signal the fact that this is what happened.  Check
the end of your ".zip" files -- can you read all the file names
in the .zip directory at the end? (a good sign); does each
file name appear on a new line? (a bad sign).

To check for an error at the receiving end, rather than at the
sending end, try A Windows Terminal Binary download using Kermit.

Since there is also a ready-to-use Kermit 3.14 DOS version which runs
in a DOS window under Windows, that would be another alternative at
the DOS end.  If you can not get the free Columbia distribution for it
directly, because of the very problem you mention, perhaps Frank will
explain how to get it E-mailed to you (or permit someone else to do so).

-----------------------------------------------------------
With best wishes from:  John H Meyers  ( jhmeyers@mum.edu )

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Best efficiency ?
Date: 24 May 1996 00:29:56 GMT
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In article <TOM.96May23115142@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com>,
Tom Horsley <Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com> wrote:
: Well, as long as people are on the subject, I'll mention a problem I'm
: having (but I admit up front, I haven't tried nearly hard enough to track it
: down yet).
: 
: I have the following path when attempting to download a file:
: 
: Windows NT 4.0 Beta <-> ZyXel <-> USR <-> Portmaster <-> firewall <-> Unix
: (with K95)
: 
: I am transfering from the Unix box to the Windows NT box. The connection
: is 8 bit clean all the way (I'm fairly positive of that).
: 
: When I issue all the commands from the FAQ to give me a fast, clean, max
: throughput kind of connection and start the download it just screams for the
: first few kilobytes, then (judging from the lights on my modem), someone
: decides to do some RTS/CTS flow control signalling, and it comes to a dead
: halt, sits there for several seconds, flashes the RTS/CTS lights, sends a
: few more bytes, then flashes the RTS/CTS lights again, and sort of stays in
: "dribble" mode for the rest of the file transfer.
: 
When you say you are downloading, that would seem to point the finger at NT
as the flowcontrolmeister.  Stuff is coming in faster than NT can handle, so
it says "stop" to the modem.  Why would it do that?  Certainly it's not
because Kermit can't keep up, because Kermit can receive files at hundreds
of K per second on a network connection (under ideal conditions) -- way
faster than a modem.  So if NT is the culprit, then it's probably the serial
port driver, the disk driver, or some combination.

The fact that Kermit receives a few K (four maybe?) before this starts seems
to incriminate the disk driver more than anything else.  I don't pretend to
be an NT expert, but it sounds like its disk output buffer filled up and it
went to actually write the stuff out, and maybe it can't "walk and chew gum
at the same time" (some of us are like that) so it told the serial driver to
shut up the modem while it was writing.  Sort of like happens in DOS :-)

It also tends to exonerate the PC serial port and driver, since if the first
few K did not make the PC interrupt itself to death, why should subsequent K?

So maybe there is something you can do by way of increasing disk-write
buffers, or disk cache, or somesuch, or some other NT tuning ritual, that I
will leave to the NT experts.

: Somewhere along the line, triggering flow control constipates some part of
: my connection, but since the problem could be a bug in NT, or a bug in the
: ZyXel or USR handling of flow control, or a problem with buffering or flow
: control in the Portmaster, or the firewall, or the Unix box, I'm not sure
: what to check or where to look. (And a DAT tape in the glove compartment of
: my car on the way home is *much* higher bandwidth than kermit, so I don't
: need to do file transfers very often, which is why I haven't spent much time
: on trying to track this down :-).
:
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of magnetic
tapes", updated to more compact media (and perhaps also cars).  But yeah, it
could be any of those things.  It could, for example, be some kind of
"resonance" (and I mean that in bad way) between the modems, but that would
not account for the computer's RTS signal going off.  And, to the best of
my knowledge, NT's handling of RTS/CTS is, in itself, not buggy (unlike, say,
Windows 95's handling of Xon/Xoff).  So your best bet is to start by looking
into the disk subsystem and/or cache.

- Frank

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From: mbaucom@vnet.net (Milton Baucom)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Accessing multiple types of modems?
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 00:09:10 GMT
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Is there a "recommended" way to access a pool of different kind of
modems using Kermit?  I've got 4 14.4 Multitechs, 2 2400 Multitechs,
and 2 28.8 Multitechs.  I want to select the next available modem and
somehow get Kermit to recognize the type and speed.

Any suggestions are welcome.

MAB
---------------------------------------------------------------
Milton A. Baucom                           | Hot Doughnuts Now!
mbaucom@vnet.net                           |    -- Krispy Kreme

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From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
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Subject: Re: Best efficiency ?
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tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) wrote:

>Well, as long as people are on the subject, I'll mention a problem I'm
>having (but I admit up front, I haven't tried nearly hard enough to track it
>down yet).
>
>I have the following path when attempting to download a file:
>
>Windows NT 4.0 Beta <-> ZyXel <-> USR <-> Portmaster <-> firewall <-> Unix
>(with K95)
>
>I am transfering from the Unix box to the Windows NT box. The connection
>is 8 bit clean all the way (I'm fairly positive of that).
>
>When I issue all the commands from the FAQ to give me a fast, clean, max
>throughput kind of connection and start the download it just screams for the
>first few kilobytes, then (judging from the lights on my modem), someone
>decides to do some RTS/CTS flow control signalling, and it comes to a dead
>halt, sits there for several seconds, flashes the RTS/CTS lights, sends a
>few more bytes, then flashes the RTS/CTS lights again, and sort of stays in
>"dribble" mode for the rest of the file transfer.

Just a thought ... In my quest to get a good USR Sportster out of
Gateway2000 (I'm on modem number 6) I've had a few with the (now well-known)
"pausing" problem. I normally use Win95 which is set up nicely, but a few
days ago, I was fooling with PPP on Linux (not set up nicely) and
inadvertantly made a connection with the speaker left on after handshaking.
So I got to hear the pauses. The modems were retraining (hear the "bongs")
or at least in my case trying to, since they seemed to wind up at the same
speed as before.

This problem seems to be widespread among Gateway users; I don't know about
"real" USR Sportsters. And the telephone line in question has served me well
for years. Gateway admits a "pausing" problem; I don't know if they know it
seems to be due to excessive (and even unnecessary) retraining.

If after the pause your xfer rate is less, maybe they really are retraining,
possibly because of a noisy line, or bad error correction ... maybe just for
kicks.

So, turn on the speaker and, if this is what's happening, at least you'll
know it.

Of course, there's always congestion and bottlenecks on the network to deal
with too.

Good luck.

 - Vince
___
   Vincent Fatica
   Syracuse University Mathematics
   vefatica@syr.edu
   http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/

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From: lsprague@cass.ma02.bull.com (Lin Sprague)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Caps lock makes !@#$% instead of 12345
Date: 23 May 1996 23:16:49 -0400
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In article <4o2gds$1aou@cass.ma02.bull.com>,
: Lin Sprague <lsprague@cass.ma02.bull.com> wrote:
: : 
: : I'm using Kermit 95 on both Windows NT and Win95 and I've noticed that the
: : top row number keys produce the punctuation characters rather than numerals
: : when the Caps Lock key is down, just like if you were holding the <Shift>
: : key. Is this by design? Is there any way to make it not do this?
: : 
: Kind of makes you want to say "!@#$%"  :-)

You e-mail your mother with those keycodes?? C'mon, let's keep it clean
here!

: (But are you sure it's also happening in Windows NT?)

You're right, it's only Win 95. I wasn't on the NT machine when I posted
that message, but I just checked now and it's OK.

: More seriously, Windows 95 (not NT) returns the shifted version of
: non-alphabetic characters when Caps Lock is on; for example, if you press the

That is serious! I don't suppose the Win 95 Service Pack #1 fixed it, did
it? I haven't applied it yet because I thought I had no need to. Microsoft 
really should fix this. Are they (officially) aware of this, IOW, do they
acknowledge the bug?

I'm curious why the effect doesn't show up in DOS programs. Do they not use
the console driver.

: There is a kind of workaround for this, however.  You can find it at:
:   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/caps.ksc
: It's a key mapping file to "do the right thing"-- but only on a US keyboard.

It sounds like this would take care of my immediate problem. I hope the
problem itself is cured soon.


-- 
		...Lin Sprague...
		lsprague@crater.ma02.bull.com


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Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
: In article <1996May22.152843.27781@ucl.ac.uk>, skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) writes:
: > holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes:
: > 
: >>I have been trying to get MSKermit (the latest version just off
: >>the ftp lines) to do a TCP/IP connection to a Linux box.  Not having
: >>any luck.
: > 
: >>There are two machines, Linux is 150.0.0.1, DOS is 150.0.0.2.
: >>The DOS box is running lanwp from a dvx setup.  If I exit dvx, I can
: >>ping the Linux box ok.  I tried the following setup:
: > 
: >>set port tcp
: >>set tcp pack odi
: >>set tcp add 150.0.0.2
: >>set tcp sub 255.255.255.0  
: >>set port tcp 150.0.0.1
: >>connect
: > 
: >>I get "cannot access IP packets".
: > 
: >>So I tried doing a packet driver (ne2000).  It seemed to initialize OK,
: >>then when I do:
: > 
: >>set por tcp
: >>set tcp add 150.0.0.2
: >>set tcp sub 255.255.255.0
: >>set port tcp 150.0.0.1
: >>connect
: > 
: >>I get cannot ARP resolve 150.0.0.1.
: > 
: >>What am I doing wrong?
: > 
: >>Thanks,
: > 
: >>Tim Holmes
: >>holmes@gorilla.nbn.com
: > 
: > 
: > Neither 150.0.0.1 or 150.0.0.2 appeared to be registered in the DNS
: > so the Addres resolution protocol is trying to look their names, and
: > failing.
: > 
: > (You would need to talk to a local network administrator to get you
: > boxes registered).
: > 
: > Matthew Moore

Since I'm the administrator of this two machine network (!), do I have
to set up DNS to get kermit to work?
: -----------
: 	150.0.0.x is also illegal with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
: because it creates a subnet field, the third octet in this Class B case,
: of all zeros.
:         Joe D.

What subnet mask would work?  I tried 255.255.0.0, but no go there either.
Sorry for the dumb questions, but I'm having trouble with this one.

Thanks,

Tim Holmes
holmes@gorilla.nbn.com

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <4o39n1$tjm@cass.ma02.bull.com>,
Lin Sprague <lsprague@cass.ma02.bull.com> wrote:
: That is serious! I don't suppose the Win 95 Service Pack #1 fixed it, did
: it? I haven't applied it yet because I thought I had no need to. Microsoft 
: really should fix this. Are they (officially) aware of this, IOW, do they
: acknowledge the bug?

Microsoft does not release bug fixes the way for Windows the way that
they do for NT.  The comment from one of their employees is that it is
too dangerous to fix bugs in Windows.  

Service Packs are only meant to add new features and fix items which (1)
cause data loss; and (b) hit the front page of PC Week.

Microsoft was made aware of this and other bugs months before the public
release.  They were advised of these bugs both by us and by JP Software
(the makers of 4DOS.)

: I'm curious why the effect doesn't show up in DOS programs. Do they not use
: the console driver.

It only affects Win32 console applications.  DOS apps use a different 
piece of emulation code.


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Accessing multiple types of modems?
Date: 24 May 1996 13:53:54 GMT
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In article <31a4fd85.87049414@news.vnet.net>,
Milton Baucom <mbaucom@vnet.net> wrote:
: Is there a "recommended" way to access a pool of different kind of
: modems using Kermit?  I've got 4 14.4 Multitechs, 2 2400 Multitechs,
: and 2 28.8 Multitechs.  I want to select the next available modem and
: somehow get Kermit to recognize the type and speed.
: 
That is a tough one.  In the general case, this would be akin to
implementing "plug and play" in Kermit -- something a company the size of
Microsoft might be able to do on a grand scale, but not a reasonable goal
for a small operation like ours.

But that's where Kermit's script language comes in handy.  If, by chance,
there were a command you could give to the modem to have it identify
itself, such as ATIn (where "n" is usually some digit, like 3), that would
be ideal, especially if all three varieties recognized the same command
but responded uniquely.

Then you might do something like this:

  set host terminal-server-name port-number
  if fail ...
  output ati3\13    ; or whatever
  input \10         ; read back the echo
  if fail ...
  clear input       ; clear INPUT buffer
  if fail ...
  input \10         ; read back the response
  if fail ...

At the point, the \v(input) variable should contain the response.
Then you can use IF EQUAL or similar commands, and/or string functions
to analyze it and decide what to do.

- Frank

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Hi
I'm looking for a tool to send and receive data via kermit 
protocol. It should be startable from the command prompt for 
automatic transfers...

Thanks for any hint
-- 
<< Press Any Key to Reboot >>  -  Where the hell is the ANYKEY ?

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Subject: Re: Best efficiency ?
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Tom Horsley (tom@ssd.csd.harris.com) wrote:

: I have the following path when attempting to download a file:

: Windows NT 4.0 Beta <-> ZyXel <-> USR <-> Portmaster <-> firewall <-> Unix
: (with K95)

: I am transfering from the Unix box to the Windows NT box. The connection
: is 8 bit clean all the way (I'm fairly positive of that).

: When I issue all the commands from the FAQ to give me a fast, clean, max
: throughput kind of connection and start the download it just screams for the
: first few kilobytes, then (judging from the lights on my modem), someone

Assuming that you have sliding windows, you have probably "sent" a lot of
data, with no acks.  When your outstanding (unacknowledged) window count
reaches the threshold, data stops.
The "screaming" data delivery is exactly like ZModem encountering an
existing file.  The numbers are counting, but no data is moving.
At least with Kermit, you can tell there is a problem ;-)

The source of this trouble is likely bad flow control on the receiving
modem.  If the modem connection, with compression, delivers data faster than
the serial link can absorb it, you will get this symptom.

Guesses:
You have "Set Windows 10" (substitute any number greater than 4)
Returning to the Unix kermit prompt, "statistics" shows all of the windows
have been used.  The "packets sent" is higher (a lot higher) than "packets
received".  This is worse when downloading text than it is with .zip files.
Your serial port speed is close to the modem speed (i.e., 19.2 on a 14.4
modem).

Tests and solutions:
Set windows 1 - Not a fix, just a test!
change serial port speed to at least double the connect speed.
fix the hardware flow control for your modem.
set kermit to use the hardware flow control.
-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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I hate to followup my own message, but here's the latest, plus another 
(mainly rhetorical) question....

C-Kermit would freeze on uploads from MS-Kermit.  Turns out my DTE speed 
was too high, on account of my having bought a STUPID rockwell modem.  
C-Kermit is XON/XOFF, so I prefix the usual suspects.  Downloads are now 
on par with the 14.4kbps i.e. 23% efficiency @ 57.6K = 1500 cps (?)
I have a clean connection, usually, so HUGE frames, and 5 windows just 
for good luck.

However; binary uploads still cause C-Kermit to misbehave with anything
other than 'set control prefix all'... A debug.log shows, among other
things, that I was popped into telnet command mode at one point... 
An hour spent at investigating telnet code prefixing was fruitless.

Hmmm... since I do far more dloading than uloading, I decided to give it 
a rest.  The time involved changing a setting, sending a file, 
interrupting a file, changing a setting, ...etc... doesn't seem worth it.

Not when I could be spreading helpful information and wasting precious 
bandwidth.  What else are you gonna do with that 36.6kbps you spent all 
that money on ;>

Jon D. Verne <jverne@acs.ryerson.ca>

"So with all kindred 'modern improvements' there is an illusion about them; 
there is not always a positive advance.  The devil goes on exacting
compound interest to the last for his early share and numerous succeeding
investments in them.  Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which
distract our attention from serious things.  They are but improved means
to an unimproved end."  -- Henry David Thoreau

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In article <TOM.96May23115142@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com>,
Tom Horsley <Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com> wrote:
>When I issue all the commands from the FAQ to give me a fast, clean, max
>throughput kind of connection and start the download it just screams for the
>first few kilobytes, then ...

It may or may not have anything to do with flow control per se.
If your serial driver is dropping data (possibly due to flow control
problems, possibly due to buggy drivers or scrambled hardware
interrupts) then long windows and/or long packets are deadly.

If you're using a long window, long packets, and there's data loss,
you'll see exactly the sort of behavior you describe: the sender will
send a bunch of long packets (furiously blinking modem), but only one
or two will be successfully received.  The receiver waits (no modem
lights), eventually times out and re-requests a packet (modem blinks
once), etc, etc.  Try selecting a small packet size and small window
and gradually increasing them.  I suspect you'll find a point beyond
which throughput degrades rapidly.  On one local connection, I found
that I had to limit the (window size times packet size) to less than
1500.  Beyond that, throughput dropped to nothing.  After upgrading
the serial drivers, suddenly large windows worked better.

If you're interested in the technical details of what's going on, you
might be interested in the article I wrote for Dr. Dobb's back in
February, which describes some techniques Kermit implementations can
use to deal with this type of problem.

                                - Tim Kientzle

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Has anyone heard of a 16-bit version of Windows Kermit from a guy named
Wayne Warthen?  Supposedly he made a version of Kermit that is 
winsock compliant and runs under Win 3.x.

Any ideas?  Thought this might help with the problem below:

I am having some problems with DOS kermit keeping sessions connected
on some Emulex terminal servers doing LAT to some VAXes.  In other
words, I do Kermit TCP/IP to the terminal server, then the terminal
server takes the connection and converts it to LAT to talk to the VAX.
It worked OK until we added more PC's to the network.

Someone at Kermit Distribution at Columbia University said that it could
be the LAT protocol dropping the connection because it doesn't hear
from the TCP/IP connection soon enough.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <jodellDrrE5s.6o0@netcom.com>, jodell@netcom.com (Jake Odell) writes:
> Any body figured out how to use ms-kermit with a multi-port dumb card
> like Digi, WCSC, etc? How do you tell Kermit to chech the vector port
> to see which UART is generating the interrupt?
---------
	You don't because there is no support for vendor-specific serial
ports in MSK. I have none of these boards, nor the public information to
go with them.
	Joe D.

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From: mechdne@aloha.com@aloha.com
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 I just tried to run c-kermit for os2 for the first time in a home - office modem 
connection. The home system appears to be ok. The office system has a digicom
"soft modem" which has a hard time getting activated by c-Kermit. The modem
 will answer if i set carrier off, then connect, then type commands, upon exit 
to c-kermit tho all is crap again. 
Any body out there with a digicom 19.2 enhanced modem running Kermit?
 In other apps the $80 (two-three years ago!) works great, any chance it can 
be convinced to talk Kermit?
tia

Dimitris Economou
mechdne@aloha.com  

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MS Kermit has a feature for mailing files.
Is there any way to prepare mail messages, using
GNU Emacs on the PC and to have the Unix side
mail them upon linkage (The Unix side in question
runs C-Kermit/Sun/Gnu/Bash.)? (I'm not sure
I understand how GNU Emacs does Main & News connections.)

        Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier
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>From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.ed  on 15:09 05-20-96 regarding Re: Kermit licensing 
(was we peruse:
}> Xref: news.dorsai.org comp.os.linux.misc:112666
}> comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5092 
}> In article <Drou7D.Cvr@telly.telly.org>,
}> Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.telly.org> wrote:
}> : This is a load of crap. I still have a copy of the letter I wrote to
}> : *you* November 4 1994, asking about the feasability of my company
}> : producing a CD-ROM that would contain every port of Kermit in existence.
}> : The letter was clear in its intent to pay Columbia for every CD-ROM sold.
}> had the luxury of trying a new business model, failing, trying another one,
}> again and again, and had no other demands on our time, this might be fun.

Most people need only one port of Kermit, so why would they
buy a CDROM with every port? I buy CDROMS when they have
tons of software I need and don't want to keep swapping
floppies. There's an old Greek saying "Those who have
plenty of butter (in this case CDROM-production capacity)
apply it even to their (how should I say..) seats."

Very often I am flustered by my alma mater's reluctance
to do commercial things that would make it the center
or technological New York the way Stanford is to the
Silicon Valley. But this is not the case here. Many times
I've staked by career in choosing to emulate decisions
made by Columbia elsewhere and they never steered me
wrong, especially when it involved emulating technical
decisions made by Frank daCruz. In NYC, you will find
no better technology than at Columbia. When I was at the
Federal Reserve and we needed to use Macsyma, which at
the time ran on noneof our machines, we bought an account
on the DEC20 systems managed at the time by Frank daCruz.
My own desk shows fading from where, for fifteen years,
I had an HP2621a terminal sold to me by Columbia when
I was an undergrad. It lasted that long. Columbia
doesn't buy junk. They don't make junk either.
Ask the folks at Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
The first A-bomb was made in Pupin Hall.
IBM used to have their first computer research
facility in the building where Frank had his office.

        Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier
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In article <4obl9l$9vc@dorsai.dorsai.org>, vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) wrote:
>
>From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.ed  on 15:09 05-20-96 regarding Re: Kermit
> licensing 
>(was we peruse:
>}> Xref: news.dorsai.org comp.os.linux.misc:112666
>}> comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5092 
>}> In article <Drou7D.Cvr@telly.telly.org>,
>}> Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.telly.org> wrote:
>}> : This is a load of crap. I still have a copy of the letter I wrote to
>}> : *you* November 4 1994, asking about the feasability of my company
>}> : producing a CD-ROM that would contain every port of Kermit in existence.
>}> : The letter was clear in its intent to pay Columbia for every CD-ROM sold.
>}> had the luxury of trying a new business model, failing, trying another one,
>}> again and again, and had no other demands on our time, this might be fun.
>
>Most people need only one port of Kermit, so why would they
>buy a CDROM with every port? I buy CDROMS when they have
>tons of software I need and don't want to keep swapping
>floppies. There's an old Greek saying "Those who have
>plenty of butter (in this case CDROM-production capacity)
>apply it even to their (how should I say..) seats."
>
[snip]

Completely off-topic, but there is an interesting article in this month's
Scientific American about old Greeks, butter, and seats.  Seems to have
been a major technological advance.  Coincidently, there is also an
article about reliable network sofware ...

John Santos

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In article <31A5C5D1.44DF@imt.ch>, Urs Scherrer  <Scherrer@imt.ch> wrote:
: Hi
: I'm looking for a tool to send and receive data via kermit 
: protocol. It should be startable from the command prompt for 
: automatic transfers...
: 
Kermit 95 for Windows 95 and NT, info at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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In article <4o51mo$g64@ns2.ryerson.ca>,
John Verne - CNED/F94 <jverne@acs.ryerson.ca> wrote:
: ...
: However; binary uploads still cause C-Kermit to misbehave with anything
: other than 'set control prefix all'... A debug.log shows, among other
: things, that I was popped into telnet command mode at one point... 
: An hour spent at investigating telnet code prefixing was fruitless.
: 
Telnet is running in the terminal server.  It has an escape character,
such as Ctrl-^.  If you don't prefix this character, then the first time
it occurs in the file, you will (or are likely to -- depending on whether
the Telnet implementation uses a single character or a two-character sequence)
be returned to the terminal-server prompt.  Read the documentation on
control-character (un)prefixing in the C-Kermit or MS-DOS Kermit update
notes (ckcker.upd or KERMIT.UPD).

- Frank

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From: strianta@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Spiros Triantafyllopou)
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Hi folks,

I just bought a new modem and retired the old one to the old computer...
But I can't get them to work right. 

Computer: AT&T 6300 (10+ years old, works fine) DOS 3.1
Modem:    Practical Peripherals PPI1440FXMT external
Software: KermitE 3.14

I tried all the mantras in the PPI.SCR to connect to work at 9600 or
better but it drops characters like flies. I used exactly what PPI.SCR
recommends (or my interpretation therof :-)) and no luck. 9600 or
better drops characters. The serial port of course is 8250, and no plans
for some savior technology like 16550 are in sight. The very old
documentation I have said that even without flow control kermit can
do 9600, and with flow control 19200 on a 4.77mhz 8088. Mine is
an 8 mhz 8086 (yes! :-)) with no TSR's or anything running. 

I connect to a Xyplex Terminal Server at work, talking to a Unix box.

Any help would be appreciated! My other system works fine at 28.8
using Kermit but then it's a 486/33 w/16550a. Thanks!

Spiros
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In article <4ocj0m$98d@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>,
Spiros Triantafyllopou <strianta@expert.cc.purdue.edu> wrote:
: I just bought a new modem and retired the old one to the old computer...
: But I can't get them to work right. 
: 
: Computer: AT&T 6300 (10+ years old, works fine) DOS 3.1
: Modem:    Practical Peripherals PPI1440FXMT external
: Software: KermitE 3.14
: 
: I tried all the mantras in the PPI.SCR to connect to work at 9600 or
: better but it drops characters like flies. I used exactly what PPI.SCR
: recommends (or my interpretation therof :-)) and no luck. 9600 or
: better drops characters.
:
So are you using RTS/CTS flow control?  If not, what happens when you do?

: The serial port of course is 8250, and no plans
: for some savior technology like 16550 are in sight. The very old
: documentation I have said that even without flow control kermit can
: do 9600, and with flow control 19200 on a 4.77mhz 8088. Mine is
: an 8 mhz 8086 (yes! :-)) with no TSR's or anything running. 
: 
That comment is relevant to "real" PCs.  The 6300 is not necessarily the
same as a real PC -- it was also designed to run UNIX, so might have some
other things going on inside that a real PC does not, even if it is "IBM
compatible".

RTS/CTS flow control is the best you can do to prevent data loss.  Make sure
the modem is configured for it (as the PPI script does, of course) and that
your cable has RTS and CTS wires and that they go to the right pins on the
far end.  However, RTS/CTS still does not guarantee that data won't be lost,
because if the computer is very slow it might fail to fetch byte n from the
UART register before byte n+1 arrives.  (Still, it shouldn't be THAT
slow...)

- Frank

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On 27 May 1996 15:50:46 GMT, strianta@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Spiros
Triantafyllopou) wrote:


>I tried all the mantras in the PPI.SCR to connect to work at 9600 or
>better but it drops characters like flies...
>an 8 mhz 8086 (yes! :-)) with no TSR's or anything running. 

Sounds to me like your PC is too slow for the serial port.  Due to the
lack of a buffer on the 8250 if the PC does not collect the data quick
enough it will lose bits.
You will have little - or no - chose but to slow the speed down still.


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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: So are you using RTS/CTS flow control?  If not, what happens when you do?

No, only xon/xoff. 

: That comment is relevant to "real" PCs.  The 6300 is not necessarily the
: same as a real PC -- it was also designed to run UNIX, so might have some
: other things going on inside that a real PC does not, even if it is "IBM
: compatible".

I have the normal 6300, not the plus (the plus was for Unix with a 286 cpu).

: RTS/CTS flow control is the best you can do to prevent data loss.  Make sure
: the modem is configured for it (as the PPI script does, of course) and that
: your cable has RTS and CTS wires and that they go to the right pins on the
: far end.  However, RTS/CTS still does not guarantee that data won't be lost,
: because if the computer is very slow it might fail to fetch byte n from the
: UART register before byte n+1 arrives.  (Still, it shouldn't be THAT
: slow...)

I'll try a 25 <--> 25 cable (the last cable was a different one with a few
(7) pins soldered and also RTS/CTS... But I was mucho surprised because
when the PC was in its prime we used similar (or slower) systems with
9600 lines into terminal servers and no problems...

Thanks for the fast response! 

Spiros
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In article <4od425$ilo@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>,
Spiros Triantafyllopou <strianta@expert.cc.purdue.edu> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: : So are you using RTS/CTS flow control?  If not, what happens when you do?
: 
: No, only xon/xoff. 
: 
: I'll try a 25 <--> 25 cable (the last cable was a different one with a few
: (7) pins soldered and also RTS/CTS... But I was mucho surprised because
: when the PC was in its prime we used similar (or slower) systems with
: 9600 lines into terminal servers and no problems...
: 
But Xon/Xoff, used end-to-end, can have a long latency and therefore can be
surprisingly ineffective as a flow-control mechanism.

Although I still recommend RTS/CTS (and a cable with the wires needed for
it) you can also try using Xon/Xoff locally with your modem, rather than
end-to-end.  You'll need to change the PPI script to send &K4 rather than
&K3.  That might hold you over until you get a good cable.

- Frank

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Using kermit (c-kermit 5A190) to dial into a unix box and then download
a file using xmodem using "redirect rx download_file".  The problem is 
that although kermit says I connect at 9600 my download time are very
low (32min. for a 40Kb file). What's going on??? 

Thanks In Advance,

Marc Pulido

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I'm using kermit (c-kermit 5A190) to dial into a unix box and download
a text file via xmodem.  Kermit tells me I'm logging into the box at
9600 but when I call:  
			redirect rz download_file

I'm getting rediculously low rates (32min. to download 40Kb). What's 
going on?? Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks In Advance,

Marc Pulido

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In <4od425$ilo@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Spiros Triantafyllopou writes:

> I'll try a 25 <--> 25 cable (the last cable was a different one with a few
> (7) pins soldered and also RTS/CTS... But I was mucho surprised because
> when the PC was in its prime we used similar (or slower) systems with
> 9600 lines into terminal servers and no problems...

But did these terminal server deliver sustained 9600 in those days? 

About a year ago I had to hook up an ancient NCR Tower 600 via a
dedicated line to another Unix system. I expected to be able to run
about 19k2 over this line. To my surprise throughput never came above
7000 bps, although I used the "high performance" serial i/o of the NCR
box and this was the only serial i/o on the system.

Boy, we used to have 30-40 users on a box like that. :-)
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We want to connect to a Unisys mainfram from PC's running
win 95.

TCP/IP is the protocol and UTS60 is the terminal type.  

Is it possible?

TIA
-- 


- Jim

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Problem with redirect.
Date: 28 May 1996 13:40:11 GMT
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In article <31A45826.999@ml.com>, Marc Pulido  <Marc_Pulido@ml.com> wrote:
: I'm using kermit (c-kermit 5A190) to dial into a unix box and download
: a text file via xmodem.  Kermit tells me I'm logging into the box at
: 9600 but when I call:  
: 			redirect rz download_file
: 
So is it XMODEM or ZMODEM -- you said "xmodem", but "rz" is ZMODEM.

: I'm getting rediculously low rates (32min. to download 40Kb). What's 
: going on?? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
: 
I'd need to know a lot more about the connection, but the obvious question
is why not just use Kermit protocol?  It's available for any UNIX variety
you can think of, and using will remove the layer of uncertainty.

If you were using ZMODEM (or XMODEM?) because you thought it would be faster,
you're obviously not getting the results you expected.  Read our FAQ about
performance:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

- Frank

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From: mark@bri.hp.com (Mark Simms)
Subject: Kermit on HP150
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I am currently using a version of Kermit on a Hewlet Packard HP150
computer.  The HP150 is an MS-DOS computer that is not IBM compatible.
The version of Kermit I have is ported to the HP150 specifically.  It
gives the following version string:

	HP-150 MS-DOS Kermit: 3.02 dev 7 Oct 1990
	Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1990

Is this the latest version of Kermit for this platform?  Is there
anything in the distribution other than the executable?  Is support
for this platform still being actively maintained?  Is there anyone I
can contact for more details?

    Mark Simms

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In article <Ds4E1A.391@bri.hp.com>, Mark Simms <mark@bri.hp.com> wrote:
: I am currently using a version of Kermit on a Hewlet Packard HP150
: computer.  The HP150 is an MS-DOS computer that is not IBM compatible.
: The version of Kermit I have is ported to the HP150 specifically.  It
: gives the following version string:
: 
: 	HP-150 MS-DOS Kermit: 3.02 dev 7 Oct 1990
: 	Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1990
: 
: Is this the latest version of Kermit for this platform?  Is there
: anything in the distribution other than the executable?  Is support
: for this platform still being actively maintained?  Is there anyone I
: can contact for more details?
: 
We did the port to the HP-150 here a LONG time ago.  The HP-150 support
was carried forward into versions up to 3.10, March 1991, about the time
that our last HP-150 died.

You can find the binary in kermit/bin/msvhp1.exe on kermit.columbia.edu.
The sources are with all the other MS-DOS Kermit sources in kermit/a, files
ms*.asm, ms*.c, and ms*.h.  The HP-150-specific sources are ms*hp1.asm.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit on ancient PC
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In article <4ocj0m$98d@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, strianta@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Spiros Triantafyllopou) writes:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I just bought a new modem and retired the old one to the old computer...
> But I can't get them to work right. 
> 
> Computer: AT&T 6300 (10+ years old, works fine) DOS 3.1
> Modem:    Practical Peripherals PPI1440FXMT external
> Software: KermitE 3.14
> 
> I tried all the mantras in the PPI.SCR to connect to work at 9600 or
> better but it drops characters like flies. I used exactly what PPI.SCR
> recommends (or my interpretation therof :-)) and no luck. 9600 or
> better drops characters. The serial port of course is 8250, and no plans
> for some savior technology like 16550 are in sight. The very old
> documentation I have said that even without flow control kermit can
> do 9600, and with flow control 19200 on a 4.77mhz 8088. Mine is
> an 8 mhz 8086 (yes! :-)) with no TSR's or anything running. 
> 
> I connect to a Xyplex Terminal Server at work, talking to a Unix box.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated! My other system works fine at 28.8
> using Kermit but then it's a 486/33 w/16550a. Thanks!
----------
	Characters are dropped because the system is busy doing other
things. Kermit can't help with that because it's out of control of Kermit.
Recall that "other things" include TSRs, which you say you've tried to
avoid (DOS' PRINT command is a nasty TSR), video, disk controller, etc.
The speed of Kermit is not an issue; it is the load your system puts on
itself that prevents servicing serial port interrupts quickly enough.
	There are lots of ISA bus serial port boards with 16550A UARTs
so you may wish to shop around for one.
	Joe D.

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> >I tried all the mantras in the PPI.SCR to connect to work at 9600 or
> >better but it drops characters like flies...
> >an 8 mhz 8086 (yes! :-)) with no TSR's or anything running. 

> Sounds to me like your PC is too slow for the serial port.  Due to the
> lack of a buffer on the 8250 if the PC does not collect the data quick
> enough it will lose bits.
> You will have little - or no - chose but to slow the speed down still.

My unbuffered GRiD portable 8086 4.77MHz can sing happily at 9600bps
connected to external 14.4 modem without trouble (haven't tried kermit,
though). I'm surprised that you get dropped characters with 8MHz 8086...

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For example, how do you set the terminal emulation to ansi or wyse 50?

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In article <4ohnqf$skl@news15.erols.com>, taop <yuehong@psi.ece.jhu.edu> wrote:
: For example, how do you set the terminal emulation to ansi or wyse 50?
:
If you are talking about MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (which does support Wyse 50
and ANSI emulations), the commands are:

  set terminal type ansi
  set terminal type wyse50

- Frank

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In article <31AC7C8B.41C67EA6@ms.com>, Nina Bhanap  <bhanapn@ms.com> wrote:
>Hi there
>
>I am trying to use kermit for:
>
>Unix -> Vax
>vax -> Unix
>
>Now Unix -> Vax seems to work okay but not the other way around and I'm
>not sure why.

There are a lot of reasons it might not work from the VAX to Unix,
but you don't give us nearly enough information to tell why that might
be.  At a very minimum, it'd be nice to know the versions of Kermit
on each end, the sort of connection between the machines, the commands
you use to initialize Kermit, and the error message you get when you
attempt the transfer.

Probably the most common problem with VMS Kermit is that you are trying to
transfer a Stream-LF file (possibly a .ZIP or .GZ file, or maybe a file
put onto the VAX from a PC using PATHWORKS?)
on the VAX in binary mode to the Unix machine, and the transferred
file appears to be corrupted on the Unix machine.  C-Kermit for VMS
ignores the SET FILE TYPE BINARY and SET FILE TYPE TEXT commands, and
looks at the RMS filetypes to determine whether to send the file
in binary or text.  It assumes that Stream-LF files are text and will
send them that way, even if you really wanted to send them in BINARY.
The way to override the automatic file type determination is to tell
C-Kermit on the VMS machine to SET FILE TYPE IMAGE.  All of this is
well documented in the appendix of your "Using C-Kermit" manual, by
the way.

Tim. (shoppa@triumf.ca)

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit on HP150
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In article <Ds4E1A.391@bri.hp.com>, mark@bri.hp.com (Mark Simms) writes:
> I am currently using a version of Kermit on a Hewlet Packard HP150
> computer.  The HP150 is an MS-DOS computer that is not IBM compatible.
> The version of Kermit I have is ported to the HP150 specifically.  It
> gives the following version string:
> 
> 	HP-150 MS-DOS Kermit: 3.02 dev 7 Oct 1990
> 	Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1990
> 
> Is this the latest version of Kermit for this platform?  Is there
> anything in the distribution other than the executable?  Is support
> for this platform still being actively maintained?  Is there anyone I
> can contact for more details?
----------
	That's the lastest version for the HP 150. Source files are in
the Columbia archives (common main body for all MS-DOS Kermits, then
HP 150 sepcific files). Maintenance on it ceased in 1990 since there
was little perceived demand for that edition, and we have no HP 150
machines in the project. I'm the person writing the code, if you wish to
talk about the situation: jrd@cc.usu.edu.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: befuddled by MSKermit TCP/IP!!
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In article <Drw5tn.5yB@gorilla.nbn.com>, holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes:
> Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote:
> : In article <1996May22.152843.27781@ucl.ac.uk>, skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) writes:
> : > holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes:
> : > 
> : >>I have been trying to get MSKermit (the latest version just off
> : >>the ftp lines) to do a TCP/IP connection to a Linux box.  Not having
> : >>any luck.
> : > 
> : >>There are two machines, Linux is 150.0.0.1, DOS is 150.0.0.2.
> : >>The DOS box is running lanwp from a dvx setup.  If I exit dvx, I can
> : >>ping the Linux box ok.  I tried the following setup:
> : > 
> : >>set port tcp
> : >>set tcp pack odi
> : >>set tcp add 150.0.0.2
> : >>set tcp sub 255.255.255.0  
> : >>set port tcp 150.0.0.1
> : >>connect
> : > 
> : >>I get "cannot access IP packets".
> : > 
> : >>So I tried doing a packet driver (ne2000).  It seemed to initialize OK,
> : >>then when I do:
> : > 
> : >>set por tcp
> : >>set tcp add 150.0.0.2
> : >>set tcp sub 255.255.255.0
> : >>set port tcp 150.0.0.1
> : >>connect
> : > 
> : >>I get cannot ARP resolve 150.0.0.1.
> : > 
> : >>What am I doing wrong?
> : > 
> : >>Thanks,
> : > 
> : >>Tim Holmes
> : >>holmes@gorilla.nbn.com
> : > 
> : > 
> : > Neither 150.0.0.1 or 150.0.0.2 appeared to be registered in the DNS
> : > so the Addres resolution protocol is trying to look their names, and
> : > failing.
> : > 
> : > (You would need to talk to a local network administrator to get you
> : > boxes registered).
> : > 
> : > Matthew Moore
> 
> Since I'm the administrator of this two machine network (!), do I have
> to set up DNS to get kermit to work?
> : -----------
> : 	150.0.0.x is also illegal with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
> : because it creates a subnet field, the third octet in this Class B case,
> : of all zeros.
> :         Joe D.
> 
> What subnet mask would work?  I tried 255.255.0.0, but no go there either.
> Sorry for the dumb questions, but I'm having trouble with this one.
---------------
	None that you have. The rules of the game are like this. A 32 bit
IP address can be divided into three fields: a "network" portion whose
width is determined by the Class (the top three bits of the first octet),
a "subnet" portion which is taken from the third "host" portion and whose
width is determined by the subnet mask, and the remaining "host" portion.
	<network><host> -->subnetted--> <network><subnet><host>
None of the three fields may be all 1 bits nor all 0 bits.
	150.0.0.0 is a Class B address, thus the "network" part is 150.0,
and the "host" part is the last two octets (from which we will steal a
subnet portion). You stole the third octet for "subnet" and it's all 0's.

	One must not choose IP addresses out of the blue because at some
time you will be connected to the world. The RFC's make provision for
"private" IP addresses, as follows:
-----------
RFC 1597        Address Allocation for Private Internets      March 1994

3. Private Address Space

   The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) has reserved the
   following three blocks of the IP address space for private networks:

        10.0.0.0        -   10.255.255.255
        172.16.0.0      -   172.31.255.255
        192.168.0.0     -   192.168.255.255

   We will refer to the first block as "24-bit block", the second as
   "20-bit block, and to the third as "16-bit" block.  Note that the
   first block is nothing but a single class A network number, while the
   second block is a set of 16 contiguous class B network numbers, and
   third block is a set of 255 contiguous class C network numbers.

----------
	That much said, let me add a bug report item to consider as well.
MSK 3.14 has a filter to reject packets echoed by NDIS board handlers, and
the filter resides well above the board hander code. The filter is broken,
alas, such that it rejects packets if the first three octets of the MAC
(hardware) address of source and destination are the same. Those three octets
are vendor idents on Ethernet boards. It's a bug, unpatchable, and the
workaround is try boards from different vendors. The cure is to await MSK
v3.15 which is in the works.
	Joe D.

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In article <1996May28.093238.80968@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
>Subject: Re: befuddled by MSKermit TCP/IP!!
>Date: 28 May 96 09:32:38 MDT

>> : > holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes:
>> : > 
>> : >>I have been trying to get MSKermit (the latest version just off
>> : >>the ftp lines) to do a TCP/IP connection to a Linux box.  Not having
>> : >>any luck.
>> : > 
>> : >>There are two machines, Linux is 150.0.0.1, DOS is 150.0.0.2.
>> : >>The DOS box is running lanwp from a dvx setup.  If I exit dvx, I can
>> : >>ping the Linux box ok.  I tried the following setup:
>> : > 
>> : >>set port tcp
>> : >>set tcp pack odi
>> : >>set tcp add 150.0.0.2
>> : >>set tcp sub 255.255.255.0  
>> : >>set port tcp 150.0.0.1
>> : >>connect
>> : > 

Please note above that the PC is running Lan WorkPlace.  Kermit's TCP cannot 
share the network card with LANWP.


JamesS

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In article <4ohnqf$skl@news15.erols.com>, taop@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu says...
>
>For example, how do you set the terminal emulation to ansi or wyse 50?

Set term vt320, set term vt100, etc...

Rgrds,


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what is the decimal ascii value of ^S^Q ?

- jae


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From: Nina Bhanap <bhanapn@ms.com>
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Hey all

I am trying to do file transfers between Unix and VMS.
Now Unix -> VMS works pretty well but VMS -> Unix does not seem to be
working at all.
The versions I am using are:

VMS: kermit-32 version 3.3.117
Unix: kermit_5A

This is what happens:

On the VMS side I do a 'protocol kermit' and then a 'take <filename>'
I then do a <CTRL>\c to return to my system.
Once back at my system I do a 'get <filename>' and then I get:
ISE
and then it returns to my kermit prompt

If I try this a second/third/... time I get a T%T%T% (retransmit,
timeout)

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance - Nina

-- 
To The Fullest!

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From: "SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.)" <cksam@macau.ctm.net>
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Jae H Shin wrote:
> 
> what is the decimal ascii value of ^S^Q ?
> 
> - jae

^S = 019, ^Q = 017 (Decimal)

Cheers,
  --SAM

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jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) wrote:

>
>what is the decimal ascii value of ^S^Q ?

19, 17

___
   Vincent Fatica
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I'm using Kermit under the DGUX operating system to download data via modem from
electronic data loggers.  The particular data logger in question uses ^S to
initiate the download.  When I'm connected through a standard xterm, this isn't
a problem, however if I execute Kermit through a telnet session or use the
Expect scripting language to start a subprocess, Kermit intercepts the ^S and
hangs the terminal.

I realize that there must be some settings for the terminal type that are
causing this to happen, however after playing around with some of the stty
settings (eg. -ixon), I had no luck.  Is there a way to stop kermit from doing
this?

Thanks,
Mike


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In article <4ol0al$qvh@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov>,  <mjpape@usgs.gov> wrote:
: 
: I'm using Kermit under the DGUX operating system to download data via modem
: from electronic data loggers.  The particular data logger in question uses
: ^S to initiate the download.  When I'm connected through a standard xterm,
: this isn't a problem, however if I execute Kermit through a telnet session
: or use the Expect scripting language to start a subprocess, Kermit
: intercepts the ^S and hangs the terminal.
: 
: I realize that there must be some settings for the terminal type that are
: causing this to happen, however after playing around with some of the stty
: settings (eg. -ixon), I had no luck.  Is there a way to stop kermit from
: doing this?
: 
Like it says in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", tell Kermit to "set flow none".

- Frank

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Jae H Shin (jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu) wrote:

: what is the decimal ascii value of ^S^Q ?

Assuming this is in the kermit group because you are running kermit, you
could use "show key" at the kermit prompt, then enter ^s or ^q, which would
show you the decimal values.  (\19 and \17 for ^s and ^q).

-- 
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From: Michael Reilly <mpreilly@amherst.edu>
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I have followed Matthew Moore's directions for installation in 
Windows '95.  I simply copied the ndis3pkt.inf and .386 files into the 
windows directory and then went to the network control panel, chose add 
protocol and away it went.  
	After it restarted, I could not telnet from kermit, even though 
i assigned it an IP address separate from the one assigned to the TCP/IP 
protocol.  I looked in the network control panel and saw that "Virtual 
packet Driver" had been added as a protocol (good).  I selected it and 
chose "properties."  The only property is bindings.  The window says to 
choose the network components that will communicate using this protocol 
from the list.  There is nothing on the list and there is no way to add 
to it.  Under properties for the card itself, all protocols are bound, 
including Virtual packet Driver.  
	Any help would be greatly appreciated.  

Michael Reilly	
Academic Computer Center
Amherst College
Amherst Massachusetts USA

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In article <4oifgk$se0@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) writes:
> what is the decimal ascii value of ^S^Q ?
> 
> - jae
------------
	Either look in a book or use Kermit command SHOW KEY.
	Joe D.

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fyi,

I failed to mention that I had read the manual and tried this solution to
no avail...

Mike


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On 31 May 1996 mjpape@usgs.gov wrote:

> 
> fyi,
> 
> I failed to mention that I had read the manual and tried this solution to
> no avail...
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
Try to configurate your modems not to use Xon/Xoff, but hardware 
handahake, this may help.....

Cheers,

 
 

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From: "David B. Malone" <dmalone@wheaton.edu>
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Subject: Kermit Takefile/Scripting Problems
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I would appreciate assistance from a group member concerning a take 
file.  I am attempting to run a script that will telnet and autologin to 
a unix server.  The script functions, but too well.  It seems to be 
looping.  When I run the script (kermit take titus.scr) it telnets to 
the server, but will not run the input/output.  However when I close 
that initial session it begins another sessions and completes the 
autologin procedure.  In other words, it telnets twice, even though only 
one reference is made to the machine.  Mscustom and Mskermit.ini make no 
mention of the server.

Any scripting assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <31AF35C1.8ED@wheaton.edu>,
David B. Malone <dmalone@wheaton.edu> wrote:
: I would appreciate assistance from a group member concerning a take 
: file.  I am attempting to run a script that will telnet and autologin to 
: a unix server.  The script functions, but too well.  It seems to be 
: looping.  When I run the script (kermit take titus.scr) it telnets to 
: the server, but will not run the input/output.  However when I close 
: that initial session it begins another sessions and completes the 
: autologin procedure.  In other words, it telnets twice, even though only 
: one reference is made to the machine.  Mscustom and Mskermit.ini make no 
: mention of the server.
: 
Your script probably has a CONNECT command in it.  Take out the CONNECT
command, or move it down to after all the INPUT/OUTPUT sequences, as explained
in the script programming chapter of "Using MS-DOS Kermit".

- Frank

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From: klassen@uvaix3e1.comp.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
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Subject: Re: escaping characters...^S^Q
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jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) writes:
>what is the decimal ascii value of ^S^Q ?

Since 'S' is the 19th letter of the alphabet, use decimal 19 for control-S.
The code for 'Q' is left as an exercise for the reader.

Thanks to the designers of ASCII for making it so simple!

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Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) posted:
# In article <jodellDrrE5s.6o0@netcom.com>, jodell@netcom.com (Jake Odell) writes:
# > Any body figured out how to use ms-kermit with a multi-port dumb card
# > like Digi, WCSC, etc? How do you tell Kermit to chech the vector port
# > to see which UART is generating the interrupt?
# ---------
# 	You don't because there is no support for vendor-specific serial
# ports in MSK. I have none of these boards, nor the public information to
# go with them.
# 	Joe D.

I have info on some of these cards if you would be interested in adding
this type of support for ms-kermit. I think that most if not all of
these cards use a port who's address coresponds to the scratch register
of one of the uarts as a vector register. The main difference
between cards is how the interrupting uart is indicated.

If interested, I'll send you what info I have.

-- 
jake@pantheon.us.com   jodell@netcom.com

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In article <31AE156E.60B6@amherst.edu>, Michael Reilly <mpreilly@amherst.edu> writes:
> I have followed Matthew Moore's directions for installation in 
> Windows '95.  I simply copied the ndis3pkt.inf and .386 files into the 
> windows directory and then went to the network control panel, chose add 
> protocol and away it went.  
> 	After it restarted, I could not telnet from kermit, even though 
> i assigned it an IP address separate from the one assigned to the TCP/IP 
> protocol.  I looked in the network control panel and saw that "Virtual 
> packet Driver" had been added as a protocol (good).  I selected it and 
> chose "properties."  The only property is bindings.  The window says to 
> choose the network components that will communicate using this protocol 
> from the list.  There is nothing on the list and there is no way to add 
> to it.  Under properties for the card itself, all protocols are bound, 
> including Virtual packet Driver.  
> 	Any help would be greatly appreciated.  
> 
> Michael Reilly	
> Academic Computer Center
> Amherst College
> Amherst Massachusetts USA
--------
	Once again, pinpointing what you mean by "Kermit" would help a
great deal. Another question, related, is why are you installing ndis3pkt?
I will guess that you are trying to run MS-DOS Kermit (version 3.14 is
the current release), and if so just what did MSK tell you on its screen?
	Joe D.
	

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From: rwhite@cybernw.com (Richard White)
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I'm looking for some script examples for grabbing a port, setting it
to 19200 - 8,n,1 and connecting to a dos based PC via nul modem cable.
(Automated transfer of files / statictic gathering).

Can anyone help?  

Thanks in advance!

Richard White


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In article <31AF35C1.8ED@wheaton.edu>, "David B. Malone" <dmalone@wheaton.edu> writes:
> I would appreciate assistance from a group member concerning a take 
> file.  I am attempting to run a script that will telnet and autologin to 
> a unix server.  The script functions, but too well.  It seems to be 
> looping.  When I run the script (kermit take titus.scr) it telnets to 
> the server, but will not run the input/output.  However when I close 
> that initial session it begins another sessions and completes the 
> autologin procedure.  In other words, it telnets twice, even though only 
> one reference is made to the machine.  Mscustom and Mskermit.ini make no 
> mention of the server.
> 
> Any scripting assistance would be greatly appreciated.
-----------
	If your script said CONNECT then that's the problem. Scripts do
not run within terminal emulation (CONNECT) mode. Instead say
SET PORT TCP blah, OUTPUT whatever, INPUT stuff, and so on, but with
SET PORT TCP appearing first to identify the transport mechanism.
	Joe D.

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set flow none causes loss of some characters..esspecially, scrolling
pine mailer or 'more' session.
so...i need xon/xoff flow, but i don't want to get ^S^Q on screen.
any other suggestions?



- jae


In article <4olfm7$6ck@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <4ol0al$qvh@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov>,  <mjpape@usgs.gov> wrote:
>: 
>: I'm using Kermit under the DGUX operating system to download data via modem
>: from electronic data loggers.  The particular data logger in question uses
>: ^S to initiate the download.  When I'm connected through a standard xterm,
>: this isn't a problem, however if I execute Kermit through a telnet session
>: or use the Expect scripting language to start a subprocess, Kermit
>: intercepts the ^S and hangs the terminal.
>: 
>: I realize that there must be some settings for the terminal type that are
>: causing this to happen, however after playing around with some of the stty
>: settings (eg. -ixon), I had no luck.  Is there a way to stop kermit from
>: doing this?
>: 
>Like it says in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", tell Kermit to "set flow none".
>
>- Frank



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In article <4otieq$bb4@news.ccit.arizona.edu>,
Jae H Shin <jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu> wrote:
: 
: set flow none causes loss of some characters..esspecially, scrolling
: pine mailer or 'more' session.
:
Different connections use different flow control.  Use "set flow xon/xoff"
or "set flow rts/cts" to talk to your UNIX host, but see below about how
to talk to your data logger.

: so...i need xon/xoff flow, but i don't want to get ^S^Q on screen.
: any other suggestions?
: 
If you tell Kermit to "set flow xon/xoff", then the operating system
processes incoming Xon (Ctrl-Q) and Xoff (Ctrl-S) characters and you will
never see them on the scren.  So if you see ^S^Q, it is most likely that
the host (or some other box along the communication path) is sending
the literal characters ^ and S or Q.

But...

: >: I'm using Kermit under the DGUX operating system to download data via
: >: modem from electronic data loggers.  The particular data logger in
: >: question uses ^S to initiate the download.  When I'm connected through a
: >: standard xterm, this isn't a problem, however if I execute Kermit through
: >: a telnet session or use the Expect scripting language to start a
: >: subprocess, Kermit intercepts the ^S and hangs the terminal.
: >: 
: >: I realize that there must be some settings for the terminal type that are
: >: causing this to happen, however after playing around with some of the stty
: >: settings (eg. -ixon), I had no luck.  Is there a way to stop kermit from
: >: doing this?
: >: 
: >Like it says in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", tell Kermit to "set flow 
: >none".
:
You can't use Xon/Xoff for flow control and also expect to see incoming Xoff
(Ctrl-S) characters as data on the same connection.  You must either "set
flow none" (in which case you could lose characters) or (preferably, if it
is available) use some other kind of flow control, such as RTS/CTS.

The fact that your data logger sends Ctrl-S to indicate the start of a 
download is a pretty good indication that it does NOT use Xon/Xoff flow
control, so I don't think "set flow none" should make any difference.

- Frank

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Hey Tim

> There are a lot of reasons it might not work from the VAX to Unix,
> but you don't give us nearly enough information to tell why that might
> be.  At a very minimum, it'd be nice to know the versions of Kermit
> on each end, the sort of connection between the machines, the commands
> you use to initialize Kermit, and the error message you get when you
> attempt the transfer.

Apparently I am using a really ancient version of VMS kermit; in fact it
is not even C-Kermit but kermit-32 3.3.117

On the Unix side I have a recent verison C-Kermit_5A.

I have been advised to download a more recent version for VMS from
Columbia university so I'm going to do that and hopefully it should
solve my problems.

Thank you for replying - Nina

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In article <4oo09j$ls2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
>Subject: Re: Kermit Takefile/Scripting Problems
>Date: 31 May 1996 23:44:51 GMT

>In article <31AF35C1.8ED@wheaton.edu>,
>David B. Malone <dmalone@wheaton.edu> wrote:
>: I would appreciate assistance from a group member concerning a take 
>: file.  I am attempting to run a script that will telnet and autologin to 
>: a unix server.  The script functions, but too well.  It seems to be 
>: looping.  When I run the script (kermit take titus.scr) it telnets to 
>: the server, but will not run the input/output.  However when I close 
>: that initial session it begins another sessions and completes the 
>: autologin procedure.  In other words, it telnets twice, even though only 
>: one reference is made to the machine.  Mscustom and Mskermit.ini make no 
>: mention of the server.
>: 
>Your script probably has a CONNECT command in it.  Take out the CONNECT
>command, or move it down to after all the INPUT/OUTPUT sequences, as explained
>in the script programming chapter of "Using MS-DOS Kermit".

>- Frank

My guess is that the user's command is TELNET hostname.  The proper command 
should be 

 SET PORT TCP hostname

JamesS

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From: jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin)
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>: set flow none causes loss of some characters..esspecially, scrolling
>: pine mailer or 'more' session.
>:
>Different connections use different flow control.  Use "set flow xon/xoff"
>or "set flow rts/cts" to talk to your UNIX host, but see below about how
>to talk to your data logger.

	c-kermit on ultrix doesn't support rts/cts h/w flow control.. :(

>
>: so...i need xon/xoff flow, but i don't want to get ^S^Q on screen.
>: any other suggestions?
>: 
>If you tell Kermit to "set flow xon/xoff", then the operating system
>processes incoming Xon (Ctrl-Q) and Xoff (Ctrl-S) characters and you will
>never see them on the scren.  So if you see ^S^Q, it is most likely that
>the host (or some other box along the communication path) is sending
>the literal characters ^ and S or Q.
>
	when i set flow none, i never get ^S^Q, but don't get all the
	screen updates during scrolling, etc..
	for set flow xon/xoff, i get all the screen updates, but it
	kept bothering about extra character inputs(^S^Q)...especially
	'more' or some other session which need key input from an user.

>:
>You can't use Xon/Xoff for flow control and also expect to see incoming Xoff
>(Ctrl-S) characters as data on the same connection.  You must either "set
>flow none" (in which case you could lose characters) or (preferably, if it
>is available) use some other kind of flow control, such as RTS/CTS.
>
>The fact that your data logger sends Ctrl-S to indicate the start of a 
>download is a pretty good indication that it does NOT use Xon/Xoff flow
>control, so I don't think "set flow none" should make any difference.

	the ^S^Q appears not only initiation of download, but also
	during normal shell sessions....

- jae



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In article <4ovaju$u10@news.ccit.arizona.edu>,
Jae H Shin <jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu> wrote:
: >: set flow none causes loss of some characters..esspecially, scrolling
: >: pine mailer or 'more' session.
: >:
: >Different connections use different flow control.  Use "set flow xon/xoff"
: >or "set flow rts/cts" to talk to your UNIX host, but see below about how
: >to talk to your data logger.
: 
: 	c-kermit on ultrix doesn't support rts/cts h/w flow control.. :(
: 
Ultrix itself doesn't support RTS/CTS flow control :-(
Flow control is a function of the device driver and the kernel.

: >: so...i need xon/xoff flow, but i don't want to get ^S^Q on screen.
: >: any other suggestions?
: >: 
: >If you tell Kermit to "set flow xon/xoff", then the operating system
: >processes incoming Xon (Ctrl-Q) and Xoff (Ctrl-S) characters and you will
: >never see them on the scren.  So if you see ^S^Q, it is most likely that
: >the host (or some other box along the communication path) is sending
: >the literal characters ^ and S or Q.
:
: 	when i set flow none, i never get ^S^Q, but don't get all the
: 	screen updates during scrolling, etc..
: 	for set flow xon/xoff, i get all the screen updates, but it
: 	kept bothering about extra character inputs(^S^Q)...especially
: 	'more' or some other session which need key input from an user.
: 
: >You can't use Xon/Xoff for flow control and also expect to see incoming Xoff
: >(Ctrl-S) characters as data on the same connection.  You must either "set
: >flow none" (in which case you could lose characters) or (preferably, if it
: >is available) use some other kind of flow control, such as RTS/CTS.
: >
: >The fact that your data logger sends Ctrl-S to indicate the start of a 
: >download is a pretty good indication that it does NOT use Xon/Xoff flow
: >control, so I don't think "set flow none" should make any difference.
: 
: 	the ^S^Q appears not only initiation of download, but also
: 	during normal shell sessions....
: 
Shell sessions?  Maybe we should take this offline -- I'm REALLY confused
now.  Is the data logger a separate device from the Ultrix system, or is it
a program that runs on the Ultrix system.  Do you have two different
connections, or only one connection to both?  Or are you going *through*
Ultrix to get to the data logger?

Send email to kermit@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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Has anyone ever tried getting MS-Kermit to run under Linux and
Dosemu, and if so, is there a way to get TCP/IP to work?  The
current Dosemu FAQ says that "pdether" can run in the Dosemu
environment, though they said to "beware" with TCP/IP access.
-- 
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+1 212 678 5545              | to be a computer programmer because it was the
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>From somewhere in cyberspace, strianta@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Spiros Triantafyllopou) said:

>Computer: AT&T 6300 (10+ years old, works fine) DOS 3.1
>Modem:    Practical Peripherals PPI1440FXMT external
>Software: KermitE 3.14
>
>I tried all the mantras in the PPI.SCR to connect to work at 9600 or
>better but it drops characters like flies. I used exactly what PPI.SCR
>recommends (or my interpretation therof :-)) and no luck. 9600 or
>better drops characters. The serial port of course is 8250,

The only thing "different" I can remember about the 6300 is that
it does it's 16-bit I/O with the "wrong" byte order.  It wasn't
wrong at the time the machine was built, it's just that it was
one of the first, before the IBM AT came out, and it was AT&T's
luck that IBM did it the other way.  I don't think that would
make a difference with Kermit's I/O, since the serial port is all
8-bit, but only Joe D. knows for sure.

If you get fed up, you can either
(a) buy a 16550 I/O card for $30 or so
or
(b) buy an internal 14400 modem with built-in 16550 I/O for $50 or so.
-- 
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+1 212 678 5545              | to be a computer programmer because it was the
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From: saleh@onramp.net (Saleh W. Igal)
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In <4ndec3$skd@epx.cis.umn.edu>, mill0440@gold.tc.umn.edu mentioned a
problem with arp using Kermit's protocol stack on ODI -- I'm seeing
almost exactly the same thing.

Kermit tries to arp the default gateway, but eventually claims that it
can't arp resolve it and gives up.  I put a protocol analyzer on the
wire, with this sequence of events:
   Kermit machine:  ARP resolve 192.238.56.250
   Default gateway: ARP resolution -- MAC address is XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
   (waits around 0.25 second)
   Kermit machine:  ARP resolve 192.238.56.250
   Default gateway: ARP resolution -- MAC address is XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
   (waits around 0.25 second)
   ...
a total of sixteen times.  It looks like kermit is not seeing the
returned arp resolution.

I have several years experience using ODI for multiprotocol work, so I'm
pretty sure that NET.CFG is configured correctly and the basics are OK.
I'm using Novell TCPIP.EXE, NetManage Chameleon, Windows for Workgroups
TCP32, Windows 95, and TGV Multinet VMS with no problems.

Technical details:
   IBM DOS 6.1
   Latest versions of LSL, 3C5X9, IPXODI, VLM
   NET.CFG configured per the kermit book and readme files
   Fancy VLM stuff (packet burst, packet signature...) turned off
   BOOTP assignment of all parameters, using Novell DHCP.NLM
   The default gateway is a firewall -- BorderWare Firewall server 3.1.1
      Ping and traceroute servers are turned on

If anyone else has seen this problem, do you see any common factors?
____________________________________________________________________________
Saleh W. Igal (saleh@onramp.net)

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Hi,

If anyone has sample scrips that:

1. dials from a DOS system into a UNIX system
   at a set time (eg midnight).
2. transfers files from an upload directory on
   UNIX to a download directory on DOS and visa versa.
3. if there is a problem it redials and continues
   where it left off.
4. when done runs a batch file on DOS and a script file
   on UNIX to do xyz with the data.
5. is reasonably secure.

This would save me reinventing the wheel and would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance


Robin Stephens

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In article <01bb51f1.cc6bb6c0$7b06848b@schlesie.deakin.edu.au>,
Robin Stephens <rmstephe@deakin.edu.au> wrote:
: If anyone has sample scrips that:
: 
: 1. dials from a DOS system into a UNIX system
:    at a set time (eg midnight).
: 2. transfers files from an upload directory on
:    UNIX to a download directory on DOS and visa versa.
:
Both of these are amply illustrating in the "Using MS-DOS Kermit"
and "Using C-Kermit" manuals.

: 3. if there is a problem it redials and continues
:    where it left off.
:
Look on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette, in the UTILS subdirectory,
for RECOVER.SCR.

- Frank

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In <31b3b0e4.8632940@news.onramp.net> saleh@onramp.net (Saleh W. Igal) writes:

> In <4ndec3$skd@epx.cis.umn.edu>, mill0440@gold.tc.umn.edu mentioned a
> problem with arp using Kermit's protocol stack on ODI -- I'm seeing
> almost exactly the same thing.
(..) 
> If anyone else has seen this problem, do you see any common factors?

A few years ago (when MSkermit 3.13 was just in beta) I experienced a
problem that looked remarkedly like yours. They only anomaly I could find
at the time, was that kermit seemed to choke on ARP-responses that were
78 octets long, instead of the expected 60 octes. The work-around we used
was to add odipkt to the stack and let kermit run over the packet-driver
interface. We still use this trick if we can't get kermit to talk to a
Unix host straight over ODI.

I'm still not sure if this is a Kermit-problem or an ODI problem.

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                                             |
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In article <31b3b0e4.8632940@news.onramp.net>, saleh@onramp.net (Saleh W. Igal) writes:
> In <4ndec3$skd@epx.cis.umn.edu>, mill0440@gold.tc.umn.edu mentioned a
> problem with arp using Kermit's protocol stack on ODI -- I'm seeing
> almost exactly the same thing.
> 
> Kermit tries to arp the default gateway, but eventually claims that it
> can't arp resolve it and gives up.  I put a protocol analyzer on the
> wire, with this sequence of events:
>    Kermit machine:  ARP resolve 192.238.56.250
>    Default gateway: ARP resolution -- MAC address is XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
>    (waits around 0.25 second)
>    Kermit machine:  ARP resolve 192.238.56.250
>    Default gateway: ARP resolution -- MAC address is XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
>    (waits around 0.25 second)
---------
	We just went through this exercise.
	Which version of MSK, please?
	To repeat, if MSK version is 3.14 and the boards on both ends of
the connection are from the same vendor and have the same first three bytes
of their MAC addresses alike then there can be a failure (bug in MSK). If
true then please contact me directly at jrd@cc.usu.edu, else let us know
more details, endif. Don't forget that MSK 3.14 will ARP for its own IP
address twice as protection against IP address collisions.
	I gather from your description that Bootp was successfully carried
out, which means a UDP/IP transfer occurred both ways. Is that correct?
	Joe D.

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In article <DsHGF6.7yL@echelon.nl>, kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) writes:
> In <31b3b0e4.8632940@news.onramp.net> saleh@onramp.net (Saleh W. Igal) writes:
> 
>> In <4ndec3$skd@epx.cis.umn.edu>, mill0440@gold.tc.umn.edu mentioned a
>> problem with arp using Kermit's protocol stack on ODI -- I'm seeing
>> almost exactly the same thing.
> (..) 
>> If anyone else has seen this problem, do you see any common factors?
> 
> A few years ago (when MSkermit 3.13 was just in beta) I experienced a
> problem that looked remarkedly like yours. They only anomaly I could find
> at the time, was that kermit seemed to choke on ARP-responses that were
> 78 octets long, instead of the expected 60 octes. The work-around we used
> was to add odipkt to the stack and let kermit run over the packet-driver
> interface. We still use this trick if we can't get kermit to talk to a
> Unix host straight over ODI.
> 
> I'm still not sure if this is a Kermit-problem or an ODI problem.
> 
> -- 
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	It's in Kermit. The ODI portion which receives ARP packets expects
either packet length from ODI (early MLIDs did not do it because it was
not in the ODI spec at that time) or it will calculate a buffer size from
the peek-ahead contents of the packet. In the latter case it means ODI will
be prevented from delivering a too-long packet into the buffer provided by
Kermit. Too-long ARP packets are broken.
	The Packet Driver dodge eliminates my ODI code and hence permitted
delivery. That is not a solution to broken packets but better than nothing. 
It's not a bug in Kermit.
	There are other gotcha's on the net too. A number of System 5 based
Unices seem to go mute when their default route ARP cache entry is not 
refreshed from outside; they can't respond. What's true for the default route 
is also probably true for other routes in the cache. The problem at hand is
not of this kind, however, and I await further word from the correspondent.
	Joe D.

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Subject: Where to get latest kermit source ?
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	Could someone kindly point me to the ftp site where I could
get the latest version of kermit ? I plan on compiling it for GP-UX
to replace the *very* old version dsitributed with HP-UX.

	Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I didn't see a FAQ for this group,
and as close to the first of the month as it is, if there is one it
should have still been cirrent on my news server.

Thanks Again.

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In article <stanbDsKs8K.Jwu@netcom.com>, Stan Brown <stanb@netcom.com> wrote:
: Could someone kindly point me to the ftp site where I could
: get the latest version of kermit ? I plan on compiling it for GP-UX
: to replace the *very* old version dsitributed with HP-UX.
: 
If you have HP-UX 10.0 or later, it comes with C-Kermit 5A(190), which is
the current version, already fully installed, by special agreement between
HP and the Kermit Project.

For earlier HP-UX versions:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cku190.Z (or .gz)

: Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I didn't see a FAQ for this group,
: and as close to the first of the month as it is, if there is one it
: should have still been cirrent on my news server.

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

- Frank

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Hi Fellow Ckermit Users,

I am using version 5A(190) of Ckermit.  

According to the manual the log session command will "copy the 
characters that are sent to your screen into a file ...".  I would like to
log the characters entered at the ckermit keyboard to be logged to a file
as well.  Ideally this would be the same file as the characters destined
for the screen.

I realize the log session command will record the characters hit at
the keyboard if the remote end is echoing, but it is this echoing that
I am trying to check.

Thanks,
Matthew

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <gerlachDsL3AK.64C@netcom.com>,
Matthew H. Gerlach <gerlach@netcom.com> wrote:
: I am using version 5A(190) of Ckermit.  
: 
: According to the manual the log session command will "copy the 
: characters that are sent to your screen into a file ...".  I would like to
: log the characters entered at the ckermit keyboard to be logged to a file
: as well.  Ideally this would be the same file as the characters destined
: for the screen.
: 
: I realize the log session command will record the characters hit at
: the keyboard if the remote end is echoing, but it is this echoing that
: I am trying to check.
: 
C-Kermit does not have a specific method of logging keystrokes, or of
differentiating keystrokes from communications input in the session log.

However, if you want to check the echoing, tell Kermit to "set terminal
echo on", so Kermit will echo locally.  In this case, keystrokes go straight
into the session log.  If the host is also echoing, you'll get two copies
of each.

Does that help?

- Frank

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I need to get ckermit running on a Tatung Ultrasparc running Solaris 2.5.
My makefile only lists Solaris 2.0 thru 2.3 using Sunpro or GNUcc. Same
with the ckermit source at ftp.columbia.edu. What should I make it for?
Is there a ready made binary?

I have ckermit compiled on a Sun Sparc 10/50 running SunOS 4.1.3. I tried
running that on the Ultrasparc running Solaris 2.5. When I've set line and
typed "c", it says

"Communications disconnect

Cant read character		Operation would block"

Is this indicative of running kermit for SunOS 4.1.3 under Solaris 2.5?

-- 
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|                                                                  |
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In article <4p7emr$5b2@panix2.panix.com>,
Kurt Rosenhagen <kjr@panix.com> wrote:
: I need to get ckermit running on a Tatung Ultrasparc running Solaris 2.5.
: My makefile only lists Solaris 2.0 thru 2.3 using Sunpro or GNUcc. Same
: with the ckermit source at ftp.columbia.edu. What should I make it for?
: Is there a ready made binary?
: 
There are ready-made binaries for Solaris 2.4, which should run on 2.5.
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin.

: I have ckermit compiled on a Sun Sparc 10/50 running SunOS 4.1.3. I tried
: running that on the Ultrasparc running Solaris 2.5. When I've set line and
: typed "c", it says:
: 
:   "Communications disconnect
:   Cant read character - Operation would block"
: 
: Is this indicative of running kermit for SunOS 4.1.3 under Solaris 2.5?
: 
Yes.  They are entirely different operating systems -- basically, one is
BSD, the other is System V R4.

The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190).  It has some trouble with
bidirectional tty devices on Solaris.  The forthcoming version is 6.0.192,
currently in Beta.  The *next* (not the current) Beta edit might include a
fix for this problem.

Watch this newsgroup for announcements.

- Frank

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>C-Kermit does not have a specific method of logging keystrokes, or of
>differentiating keystrokes from communications input in the session log.
>
>However, if you want to check the echoing, tell Kermit to "set terminal
>echo on", so Kermit will echo locally.  In this case, keystrokes go straight
>into the session log.  If the host is also echoing, you'll get two copies
>of each.
>
>Does that help?
>
>- Frank


Yes, I think this will help.  I use C-Kermit as a transport for expect
scripts talking to test equipment over async serial, and I want to see
what the expect scripts are sending and what the test equipment is 
sending.

Thanks for the help and the great software,

Matthew

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KR> I need to get ckermit running on a Tatung Ultrasparc running Solaris
KR> 2.5.  My makefile only lists Solaris 2.0 thru 2.3 using Sunpro or
KR> GNUcc.

Use the Solaris 2.3 settings and GCC and it should work okay.

[...]

KR> I have ckermit compiled on a Sun Sparc 10/50 running SunOS 4.1.3. I
KR> tried running that on the Ultrasparc running Solaris 2.5.

This won't work; the binary compatability code will only go so far.
Device dependant code compiled under SunOS 4.x will not work under SunOS
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Hi everyone,

I'm trying the develop an application for the calculator HP 48SX
which should includes some parts of Kermit functionality.I have 
already done some investigations in using kermit with scripts and
system calls from my application but personally I don't like this
solution.

My aim is to simulate the HP 48SX on a remote PC under MS-DOS using
remote hosts operations, therefore I need a C/C++ communication 
library based on the kermit protocol. 

Has somebody knowledge of available libraries or sources which may be
portable MS-DOS - UNIX?

Any help will be appreciated, thank you in advance.
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In article <31BC212F.446B9B3D@hasler.ascom.ch>,
Sandro Morandini <morandin@hasler.ascom.ch> writes:
>Reply to: Sandro.Morandini@ascom.ch

> I'm trying the develop an application for the calculator HP 48SX
> which should includes some parts of Kermit functionality.I have 
> already done some investigations in using kermit with scripts and
> system calls from my application but personally I don't like this
> solution.
>
> My aim is to simulate the HP 48SX on a remote PC under MS-DOS using
> remote hosts operations, therefore I need a C/C++ communication 
> library based on the kermit protocol. 
>
> Has somebody knowledge of available libraries or sources which may be
> portable MS-DOS - UNIX?

Try Usenet newsgroup: comp.protocols.kermit.misc

This newsgroup answers any and all Kermit questions; the current Columbia
University development team for Kermit (including author Frank Da Cruz)
answers most of the questions themselves, so you can't get a more
authoritative source than this.

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Subject: [Q}: How to keep vms/vax versions ?
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Hi !

Does anybody outthere know or have a macro/program to transfer VMS files to MS-DOS and keep
the version numbers ?

eg:	dop.spc;1 dop.spc;2 .... dop.spc;100

These files should be named on my local machine (MS-DOS) DP1.spc, DP2.spc .... DP100.spc !!

How can I handle this problem ?

Thanks
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In article <31BD74CA.167E@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at>,
Bernd Logar <logar@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at> writes:

> Does anybody outthere know or have a macro/program to transfer VMS files
> to MS-DOS and keep the version numbers ?
>
> eg:  dop.spc;1 dop.spc;2 .... dop.spc;100

Let's explain for the "normal" world:  VAX/VMS does not replace a file
when it re-written, as does every other operating system I know of; it
just makes a new copy and adds 1 to the "version number".  I spend all
my time *purging* these things, while you want to save them! :)

Since our old VAX/VMS Kermit-32 does not incorporate a version number
into the name under which it sends any file, even if the version number
was explicitly given in the SEND command, some renaming is required at
either one end or the other of this transfer.

At the VMS end, a .COM script might be used to either rename or copy
the set of files to a set having the version number incorporated into
each name, with suitable gimmicks to deal with the (8,3) MSDOS name
limitations; then you could send these, already renamed, to MSDOS.

On the other hand, I just tried out a VMS-side "send file.ext;*" with
an MSDOS-side "server" command; eureka! -- the MSDOS Kermit, each time
it finds a duplicated file name (which will always happen after the
first transmission, since VMS will keep using the same file name
for all its SENDs), keeps altering the MSDOS "received" file names by
replacing some part with an incremented number,just as it always does!

Will one of these solutions work for you?

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Subject: Kermit with HP48G.where do I find information?
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I am trying to write a program whitch can send  data to the calculator
HP48G, and  I belive the best way to do so is to Use the Kermit
transfer protocol. The program is a VB4(prof.edittion), Win 95
program.
I guess my ultimat gole is to make a simnuler program to the Link48
program from the Back to school pack (only better).
I hope some one can give my, or direct me to  information that can put
me  closer to my gole.
(would one use the comm control?)

Thanks in advanse.

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I work for a city, and we have a risc 6000 unix box,  we are using IBM 
PC's for the terminals and using kermit to communicate.  Currently we 
are using the DOS based version under WIN95, and after a yet to be 
determined time period (10 - 20 minutes) we will lose the connection.  
Any suggestions, could Win 95 own own netware work properly.   Any halp 
would be appreciated,

Jim Emett
ph3@earthlink.net

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From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit with HP48G.where do I find information?
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In article <4pm2ig$rfq@ole.uninett.no>, el339@lhg.hib.no writes:

> I am trying to write a program which can send data to the calculator
> HP48G [which uses Kermit], and I belive the best way to do so is to Use
> the Kermit transfer protocol. The program uses VB4(prof.edition), Win 95.
> I hope some one can give me, or direct me to information that can put
> me closer to my goal (would one use the [VB] comm control?)

If a direct answer (as to whether MS Visual Basic's "comm control" or
other function has a built-in Kermit protocol) does not appear soon in
the "...kermit.misc" newsgroup, then try group "comp.lang.basic.visual.misc"

If it is not built-in or in a library you can call directly, then:

The definitive specification for the Kermit protocol is given in:
"Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol" by Frank da Cruz, Digital Press
(This statement copied from kermit.columbia.edu :)

Frank: What ever happened to the old ascii file which supplied basic
       Kermit specs (I have a printout on my desk) -- I couldn't find it
       in a cursory search of <ftp://kermit.columbia.edu>, is it there?

The HP48 uses only a very basic subset of Kermit -- no "sliding windows"
or any of the latest additions -- so it should be simple to deal with.

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In article <31BD74CA.167E@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at>, Bernd Logar <logar@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at> writes:
> Hi !
> 
> Does anybody outthere know or have a macro/program to transfer VMS files to MS-DOS and keep
> the version numbers ?
> 
> eg:	dop.spc;1 dop.spc;2 .... dop.spc;100
> 
> These files should be named on my local machine (MS-DOS) DP1.spc, DP2.spc .... DP100.spc !!
> 
> How can I handle this problem ?
----------
	You could let MS-DOS Kermit handle it, and not be quite so specific
about filenames. MSK will numercially label competing filenames, by placing
a digit string at the end of the main filename portion.
	Alternatively, write a MSK macro to get file blah as file local and
iterate though the combinations. Substitution variables are nifty replacment
items within names.
	Joe D.

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From: c753330 <c753330@lss.cp.philips.com>
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Subject: Wanted: Kermit for Sinclair QL
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Am looking for Kermit executable for the Sinclair QL. Columbia have only
the sources (for which I have no compiler, and, without Kermit, wouldn't
know how to get 'em to the QL anyway).

Is it available somewhere? Would some kind soul be willing to send me a
microdrive with kermit_exe ?

I'll forward it to the Kermit team if I get it. 

Regards, Alex Kok (c753330@nlzcl1.decnet.philips.nl)

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From: PONTAILLER Laurent <laurent.pontailler@ln.cit.alcatel.fr>
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I am having a problem to write a file transfer recovery script under
kermit for RS6000 boxes.

 My problem is that after the connect order in the script there is an
input order to wait for the login: prompt of the unix box. It seems that
the script is loosing hand on this order. In the paper File transfer
recovery you show an example with a modem connection, we are using a
TCP/IP connection.

 script : 

:NOMSG
connect
input 15 login:
output \%u\13

 we are not going after the connect order.

 Can somebody tells me how to do it ?

 Thanks a lot

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <31C004A5.41C6@ln.cit.alcatel.fr>,
PONTAILLER Laurent  <laurent.pontailler@ln.cit.alcatel.fr> wrote:
: I am having a problem to write a file transfer recovery script under
: kermit for RS6000 boxes.
: 
:  My problem is that after the connect order in the script there is an
: input order to wait for the login: prompt of the unix box. It seems that
: the script is loosing hand on this order. In the paper File transfer
: recovery you show an example with a modem connection, we are using a
: TCP/IP connection.
: 
:  script : 
: 
: :NOMSG
: connect
: input 15 login:
: output \%u\13
: 
:  we are not going after the connect order.
: 
Remove the CONNECT command.  As explained in the C-Kermit manual, INPUT
and OUTPUT take the place of CONNECT.  CONNECT is for people, INPUT and
OUTPUT are for scripts that do what the people would have done during
CONNECT.

- Frank

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From: Bernd Logar <logar@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Problems with dir on an VMS/VAX !
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Hi !

Strange things happen on my VAX/VMS : 

If I list a directory under normal login, the version numbers are listed correctly 
(1,2,3 ... 7,8,9,10...77,78,79..). 
If I start kermit and make a dir, the version numbers containing originally 
the numbers 8 and 9 are lost (1,2,3 ...7,10,11,...77,100,101...) !!!!!

Seems to be an octal system ! How can I handle this problem ? 

test.log;8 should be always test.log;8 and not under kermit test.log;10 !

Thanks
Bernd

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Problems with dir on an VMS/VAX !
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In article <31C040F4.41C6@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at>,
Bernd Logar  <logar@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at> wrote:
: Strange things happen on my VAX/VMS : 
: 
: If I list a directory under normal login, the version numbers are listed
: correctly (1,2,3 ... 7,8,9,10...77,78,79..).  If I start kermit and make
: a dir, the version numbers containing originally the numbers 8 and 9 are
: lost (1,2,3 ...7,10,11,...77,100,101...) !!!!!
: 
: Seems to be an octal system ! How can I handle this problem ? 
: 
: test.log;8 should be always test.log;8 and not under kermit test.log;10 !
: 
Strange indeed.  Which Kermit program are you using, and what version of
it?  And when you say "If I start kermit and make a dir", what do you
mean?  You mean if you give a "directory" command at the Kermit prompt?

I tried this with both Kermit-32 (version 3.3.128, the last version ever
released, many years ago) and C-Kermit (5A(190), the current version), and
directory listings are normal; version numbers are shown correctly in
decimal.  I also tried putting both of these programs in server mode and
sending "remote directory" commands to them, and the results, again, were
normal.  Lots of 8's and 9's among the version numbers.

If you can send a more specific report to kermit-support@columbia.edu,
maybe we can help better.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: need help with kermit and our system
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In article <31BEEFE9.264E@earthlink.net>, Jim Emett <ph3@earthlink.net> writes:
> I work for a city, and we have a risc 6000 unix box,  we are using IBM 
> PC's for the terminals and using kermit to communicate.  Currently we 
> are using the DOS based version under WIN95, and after a yet to be 
> determined time period (10 - 20 minutes) we will lose the connection.  
> Any suggestions, could Win 95 own own netware work properly.   Any halp 
> would be appreciated,
> 
> Jim Emett
> ph3@earthlink.net
-----------
	Is that 10-20 minutes of no TCP/IP activity at all, or just 10-20
minutes since the start of a session? There are two possible causes for
losing a session after 10-20 minutes of inactivity. One is MSK is not
responding to the RS-6000 TCP keepalive strategy. Another is the RS-6000
is losing its ARP cache entries and fails to properly refresh them (a
fairly common problem among Unices these days).
	If it's the first case, an MSK affair, then we can offer a possible
solution via the pre-alpha v3.15. If the latter, ARP cache, then it's on
the IBM side of the house.
	MSK 3.15, under development, will shortly be opened up for "testing
as we go, at your own risk, things can change daily, etc." Before we announce
this and where to fetch I need a day to write up what's new and such, and
those days are on backorder right now. Jim, if you would contact me directly
at jrd@cc.usu.edu let's arrange for you to grab a copy of v3.15 to try.
	For what it's worth, my student labs use MSK under Win95 heavily
every day with no problems. We do not want a TCP/IP stack resident normally
because there isn't sufficient memory to hold it and the programs people
need to use.
	Joe D.

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From: vacquier@138.145.209 (Marco Vacquier)
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In article <31BFD7A7.3A08@lss.cp.philips.com>, c753330 <c753330@lss.cp.philips.com> writes:
>Am looking for Kermit executable for the Sinclair QL. Columbia have only
>the sources (for which I have no compiler, and, without Kermit, wouldn't
>know how to get 'em to the QL anyway).

You'ld be surprised how many compilers there are for the QL. Most QL users
use other programs than kermit to let the QL communicate with other non-QL
computers.
>
>Is it available somewhere? Would some kind soul be willing to send me a
>microdrive with kermit_exe ?
>
I think I still have a version of kermit for QL somewhere on a disc from
Quanta.

Sending a microdrive cartridge, hmmm...

I still have some never used ones, but AFAIK, none of my QLs still have their
microdrives inside. I do still have a bag with some spare microdrive units, but
I don't know which of them still work. At least in the weekends, I'm in the
Netherlands. As I read your e-mail address, you're in The Netherlands too...
Mail me if you want me to help you come to a solution.
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In article <4pp21t$j1k@nlsun1.ats.nld.alcatel.nl>, Marco Vacquier
<vacquier@138.145.209> writes
>
>In article <31BFD7A7.3A08@lss.cp.philips.com>, c753330 
><c753330@lss.cp.philips.com> writes:
>>Am looking for Kermit executable for the Sinclair QL. Columbia have only
>>the sources (for which I have no compiler, and, without Kermit, wouldn't
>>know how to get 'em to the QL anyway).
QTPI (a pointer driven comms prog  for the QL) uses external 'XPR's for
file transfer (including Kermit). 

Jonathan Hudson wrote these protocol files, so he must have something
you could use. Try him.  He may well read maus.sys.ql.int.
They are execables but you will have to ask him how to use them.
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From: shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa)
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Subject: Re: Problems with dir on an VMS/VAX !
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In article <31C040F4.41C6@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at>,
Bernd Logar  <logar@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at> wrote:
>Hi !
>
>Strange things happen on my VAX/VMS : 
>
>If I list a directory under normal login, the version numbers are listed correctly 
>(1,2,3 ... 7,8,9,10...77,78,79..). 
>If I start kermit and make a dir, the version numbers containing originally 
>the numbers 8 and 9 are lost (1,2,3 ...7,10,11,...77,100,101...) !!!!!
>
>Seems to be an octal system ! How can I handle this problem ? 

Which version of Kermit are you running?  Under what version of VMS
are you running them?  C-Kermit 5A(189) and 5A(190)
do not have this problem on my 5.5-1 or 6.2 systems.  Neither does Kermit-32
v3.3.128 (which I think was the last version.)  Could you also
supply the exact commands you issued?  In particular, did you issue
the DIR command to the local or remote system?

Tim.

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Subject: C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta.026
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This is to announce a second Beta-test edit of C-Kermit 6.0.192 for UNIX,
VMS, AOS/VS, and (not quite Beta) the Apple Macintosh, hopefully to be
joined by several other operating systems along the way.  The previous
general release of C-Kermit was 5A(190) in October 1994.  The first 6.0.192
Beta test was announced on May 19; the major new features of version 6.0.192
were listed in that announcement.

The big functional changes are:

 . During Kermit protocol operations, a new "who am i" mechanism by which
   the two Kermits furnish their system types (e.g. UNIX, VMS, etc) to each
   other.  If this occurs (as it will with C-Kermit 6.0, and the forthcoming
   versions of Kermit 95, OS/2 Kermit, MS-DOS Kermit, and Kermit-370), and
   if the two system types match, then the two Kermits automatically switch
   into binary file-transfer mode with literal filenames (or, in the case of
   VMS or OS/2, into labeled transfer mode).  Upon exit from protocol, the
   previous file transfer and naming modes are restored.  The other Kermit's
   system type, if known, is shown on the file transfer display and is also
   recorded in the transaction log if you have one going.  This feature is
   enabled by default, but can be disabled/enabled explicitly with the new
   SET TRANSFER MODE { AUTOMATIC, MANUAL } command.  For now it only works
   between two copies of C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta 026.

 . During CONNECT mode, C-Kermit for UNIX and VMS (as well as the
   forthcoming releases of Kermit 95 and MS-DOS Kermit) now handles not only
   "autodownloads", but also "autouploads" via automatic recognition of
   Kermit packets.  Auto down- and uploads are DISabled by default in the
   UNIX and VMS versions (to prevent confusion when C-Kermit is "in the
   middle"), and can be enabled with SET TERMINAL AUTODOWNLOAD ON.  When
   this is ON, and you tell the remote Kermit to SEND a file, C-Kermit goes
   into RECEIVE mode automatically, and then re-CONNECTs automatically when
   the transfer is over.  The new "autoupload" feature lets you tell the
   remote Kermit to GET a file; C-Kermit sends it automatically.

 . The network directory: It is now set up by the standard initialization
   file, and has been augmented to work with many network types, not just
   TCP/IP.  In particular, it now allows a full selection of X.25 settings
   (for Stratus VOS and SunLink X.25 only).  SET NETWORK command syntax was
   changed to SET NETWORK { TYPE <type>, DIRECTORY <file(s)> } (but the old
   form, e.g. "set network tcp/ip", is still accepted).

 . DIAL support added for MicroLink modems, plus many fixes and improvements
   to DIAL display and messages, and a new \v(dialnumber) variable holding
   last number dialed.

Fixes since the first Beta edit include:

 . A potential fix for the longstanding problems with Solaris Port Monitor.

 . Numerous compiler-related fixes to make it compile on many more platforms.

 . Some C-Kermit crashes under obscure conditions (another memory leak
   plugged, plus an obscure timing problem in the UNIX CONNECT command).

 . TYPE command fixed in VMS version.

 . SET FILE DOWNLOAD-DIRECTORY fixed in VMS version.

 . Default file transfer display style changed to fullscreen in versions
   that support it, and to CRT in those that don't.

 . Problems (at least some of them) compiling under Red Hat Linux fixed.

 . Improvements to handling of filenames in UNIX version when SET FILE NAMES
   is CONVERTED.  Incoming mixed case names are now preserved.  And in
   outgoing filenames, the last (rather than first) dot is preserved, and
   other dots are changed to underscores rather than X's.

 . Fix to bug in OUTPUT command that prevented outputting of more than 80
   characters.

The UNIX makefile has new and/or improved entries for:

  . Sequent DYNIX/ptx 4.1.
  . 2.11 BSD on the PDP-11.
  . HP-UX versions: 5.21 works again; new makefile entries for 7.x, 8.x,
    and 9.x to get around optimizer bug when compiling ckcpro.c, etc.
  . Beginnings of BeBox support ("make bebox") .. doesn't quite work yet,
    stay tuned...

Thanks to everybody who provided feedback on the first Beta and/or helped
with the second.

BUILT AND TESTED ON...

   Apple Macintosh with Mac OS 6.03.

   DEC Alpha, OpenVMS 6.2 with and without TGV MultiNet.
   DEC VAXstation 3100 VAX/VMS 5.5-1 with and without UCX.
   DEC VAX 4000 VMS 5.5-2 + TGV MultiNet.

   Data General MV 2500/DC AOS/VS II 2.20.00.39 + TCP/IP.

   DEC 5800 with Ultrix 4.3.
   DEC Alpha with Digital UNIX 3.2
   DEC MicroVAX-II with Bell Labs Research UNIX 10th edition.
   DEC PDP-11/44 with BSD 2.11.
   HP 9000, many models, with HP-UX versions from 5.21 to 10.01.
   HP 9000 with BSD 4.4-Lite.
   IBM Power Power Series 400 AIX 4.1.
   NeXTstation, NeXTSTEP 3.1.
   PCs with BSDI 1.0-C and 2.1.
   PCs with Linux, various versions.
   PCs with QNX 4.22.
   PCs with SCO Open Server R5.0.
   PCs with Unixware 2.10.
   SGI Indigo with IRIX 5.3.
   Sun SPARC, SunOS 4.1.3_U1.
   Sun SPARC, Solaris 2.4 with and without SunLink X.25 9.00.
   
THE MACINTOSH VERSION

Owing to the still-chronic lack of Macintosh programmers, the Macintosh
version remains badly neglected.  Reportedly it does not work at all on some
Macintosh platforms (it does on mine).  It has been updated to the current
C-Kermit beta level, but no Macintosh-specific changes were made since the
previous beta.

WHERE TO GET IT (same place as before):

Quick access for Web users:
  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit
    Follow the "What's New" link (reload if necessary).

The new test version is available via anonymous ftp from:

  kermit.columbia.edu

in the kermit/test directory tree:

kermit/test/text/
  Contains individual source files, documentation files, makefiles, etc
  ftp in text mode.  The general formula for getting all the files you need
  for a particular version is:

    text
    prompt
    mget ck[cuw]*.[cwh] ck?*.* 

  (where ? = v for VMS, m for Macintosh, etc)

kermit/test/macintosh/
  The macintosh binary as a BinHex 4.0 file, ckmker.hqx, plus accompanying
  documentation files, such as they are.  ftp in text mode.

kermit/test/tar/
  The complete UNIX sources, makefile, and documentation files as compressed
  tar archives: cku192.tar.Z (uncompress) and cku192.tar.gz (gunzip)

kermit/test/bin/
  Individual binaries, all of them used to transfer themselves (in binary
  mode, of course :-)  ftp in binary mode.  The READ.ME file in this
  directory explains what is what (text mode for this file only).

As always, the primary documentation for C-Kermit is the book "Using
C-Kermit", supplemented by the following files, in kermit/test/text/:

  NEWS.TXT    -- announcements
  ckcker.upd  -- documentation for new features.
  dialing.doc -- new dialing features
  modems.doc  -- new modem support and features
  ckuker.nr   -- UNIX man page
  ck?ker.bwr  -- "beware" file for ?=u (UNIX), v (VMS), etc.
  ck?ins.doc  -- installation instructions for u (UNIX), v (VMS), etc.
  ckccfg.doc  -- configuration options
  ckcplm.doc  -- program logic manual

Reports of all kinds -- good, bad -- are most welcome; please send them
straight to:

  kermit@columbia.edu

Bad ones tend to come anyway, but if you test this version of Kermit and
it's OK, please let us know about that too.  Please be specific about your
hardware platform, operating system and version, etc.

If anybody wants to furnish binaries for this Beta version that are not
already present -- e.g. for DG/UX, VMS with other TCP/IP products, etc --
please send email to kermit@columbia.edu.

Watch the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup for further announcements.

Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone
Managers, The Kermit Project
Columbia University

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From: "Robin Stephens" <rmstephe@deakin.edu.au>
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Subject: output command not working
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:23:18 +1000
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When I use the following take file there is a pause of 5 seconds
then login prompt shows and after 5 more seconds the "no password
prompt" error appears.

set file type binary
cd \rm53\download

set input case ignore
set output pacing 100

set com4 \x02e8 \5
set port 4
set speed 19200
set flow xon/xoff 
set term type vt100
set term bytesize 8

:LOOP
input 5 login:
if SUCCESS forward OK
output \13
goto LOOP
end 1 {no login prompt}
:OK
output xxxx\13
input 5 ssword:
if fail end 1 {no password prompt}
output xxxx\13

Regards

Robin Stephens

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In article <01bb59a9.369fad80$9606848b@rmstephe.deakin.edu.au>,
Robin Stephens <rmstephe@deakin.edu.au> wrote:
: When I use the following take file there is a pause of 5 seconds
: then login prompt shows and after 5 more seconds the "no password
: prompt" error appears.
: 
: set file type binary
: cd \rm53\download
: 
: set input case ignore
: set output pacing 100
: 
: set com4 \x02e8 \5
: set port 4
: set speed 19200
: set flow xon/xoff 
: set term type vt100
: set term bytesize 8
: 
: :LOOP
: input 5 login:
: if SUCCESS forward OK
: output \13
: goto LOOP
: end 1 {no login prompt}
: :OK
: output xxxx\13
: input 5 ssword:
: if fail end 1 {no password prompt}
: output xxxx\13
: 
Assuming this is MS-DOS Kermit trying to log in to a UNIX system, and
the dialog is:

login: xxxx <carriage return>
Password: xxxx <carriage return>

Why isn't it working?  The script looks right.  Maybe the dialog is not
what you assumed?  Maybe 5 seconds isn't long enough for the password to
appear.  Maybe the real script is not the same as the sample one shown above.

You'll have to debug it yourself.  Use "set input echo on" to watch what
is happening.  Maybe also "set take echo on" and/or "log session".

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: file transfer recovery script
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In article <31C004A5.41C6@ln.cit.alcatel.fr>, PONTAILLER Laurent <laurent.pontailler@ln.cit.alcatel.fr> writes:
> I am having a problem to write a file transfer recovery script under
> kermit for RS6000 boxes.
> 
>  My problem is that after the connect order in the script there is an
> input order to wait for the login: prompt of the unix box. It seems that
> the script is loosing hand on this order. In the paper File transfer
> recovery you show an example with a modem connection, we are using a
> TCP/IP connection.
> 
>  script : 
> 
> :NOMSG
> connect
> input 15 login:
> output \%u\13
> 
>  we are not going after the connect order.
> 
>  Can somebody tells me how to do it ?
------------
	Scripts do not run within terminal emulation. CONNECT invokes terminal
emulation. Use SET NETWORK TYPE TCP, then SET HOST host-name   to setup the
comms pathway. This is for C Kermit. After that do INPUT and OUTPUT work.
        Joe D.

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From: "Robin Stephens" <rmstephe@deakin.edu.au>
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> : 
> : set file type binary
> : cd \rm53\download
> : 
> : set input case ignore
> : set output pacing 100
> : 
> : set com4 \x02e8 \5
> : set port 4
> : set speed 19200
> : set flow xon/xoff 
> : set term type vt100
> : set term bytesize 8
> : 
> : :LOOP
> : input 5 login:
> : if SUCCESS forward OK
> : output \13
> : goto LOOP
> : end 1 {no login prompt}
> : :OK
> : output xxxx\13
> : input 5 ssword:
> : if fail end 1 {no password prompt}
> : output xxxx\13
> : 
> Assuming this is MS-DOS Kermit trying to log in to a UNIX system, and

correct

> the dialog is:
> 
> login: xxxx <carriage return>
> Password: xxxx <carriage return>

user name and password x'ed out for posting but otherwise correct.

> 
> Why isn't it working?  The script looks right.  Maybe the dialog is not
> what you assumed?  Maybe 5 seconds isn't long enough for the password to

I tested the dialog from the keyboard first.

> appear.  Maybe the real script is not the same as the sample one shown
above.
> 
> You'll have to debug it yourself.  Use "set input echo on" to watch what
> is happening.  Maybe also "set take echo on" and/or "log session".

tried that and the script got to "login:", waited 5 seconds before the
"no password prompt appeared.  The log file contained only text up to
"login:" after I tried "log session.

Regards

Robin Stephens

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From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon)
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[followup both posted and mailed to poster]

In <31C040F4.41C6@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at>,
Bernd Logar  <logar@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at> wrote:
>Hi !
>
>Strange things happen on my VAX/VMS : 
>
>If I list a directory under normal login, the version numbers are listed correctly 
>(1,2,3 ... 7,8,9,10...77,78,79..). 
>If I start kermit and make a dir, the version numbers containing originally 
>the numbers 8 and 9 are lost (1,2,3 ...7,10,11,...77,100,101...) !!!!!
>
>Seems to be an octal system ! How can I handle this problem ? 
>
>test.log;8 should be always test.log;8 and not under kermit test.log;10 !

Perhaps the Kermit session has a screen width set to something wider
than 80, and the file names with 8s and 9s are output normally, but are
not wrapped onto the 80 char screen?

--
Denis McKeon 
dmckeon@swcp.com

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A Kermit xpr library is available for the excelent QTPI coms prog by J. Hudson.
This is public domain and widely available.
GrahamU
\exit
-- 



GrahamU

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From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher)
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Bernd Logar (logar@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at) wrote:
: Hi !

: Does anybody outthere know or have a macro/program to transfer VMS files to MS-DOS and keep
: the version numbers ?

: eg:	dop.spc;1 dop.spc;2 .... dop.spc;100

: These files should be named on my local machine (MS-DOS) DP1.spc, DP2.spc .... DP100.spc !!

: How can I handle this problem ?

I handled it about four years ago by installing an OS that can handle long
file names. In my case this was and is OS/2, but Linux can do the same thing.
I do this on a 386dx40 with 16 MB of memory, but I have also a 386dx25 w. 8
MB around running it.
It is also very nice to handle RCS file names (file.tex,v for instance).
Kind regards.  Stefan

: Thanks
: Bernd
:  		
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In article <31C040F4.41C6@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at>, Bernd Logar <logar@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at> writes:
> Hi !
> 
> Strange things happen on my VAX/VMS : 
> 
> If I list a directory under normal login, the version numbers are listed
> correctly (1,2,3 ... 7,8,9,10...77,78,79..). 
> If I start kermit and make a dir, the version numbers containing originally 
> the numbers 8 and 9 are lost (1,2,3 ...7,10,11,...77,100,101...) !!!!!
> 
> Seems to be an octal system ! How can I handle this problem ? 
> 
> test.log;8 should be always test.log;8 and not under kermit test.log;10 !

Are you sure that you're using VAX/VMS Kermit and not PDP-11 RSX Kermit
under the PDP-11 emulation mode?  That would explain the octal version
numbers since that's what the old RSX systems used.

Bruce C. Wright

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From: tdsmith@cjnetworks.com (Troy Smith)
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Subject: PC internal port miswired?
Date: 16 Jun 1996 19:17:56 GMT
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I'm trying to use MS-DOS Kermit v 3.14 pl0 to connect two machines via 
null modem, but am not having much luck.  I believe that I have a 
mis-wired 25-pin serial port on one of the machines, but I'm not sure.  
In looking at a known good 9-pin port connector and comparing that to 
the signal chart on p. 269 of _Using MS-DOS Kermit_, it would appear that 
the following should be true of a properly-wired 25-pin connector:

	Ribbon conductor	Pin number
	1			8
	2			3
	3			2
	4			20
	5			7
	6			6
	7			4
	8			5
	9			22

but this is what I have:

	Ribbon conductor	Pin number
	1			8
	2			6
	3			3
	4			4
	5			2
	6			5
	7			20
	8			22
	9			7

Now, before I break out the soldering iron, would someone here who knows 
for sure be kind enough to tell me whether this port is mis-wired or not?
I know that the ports are good at the card, since a mouse will work on 
either one (with a 9-pin connector) and I can get characters to echo when 
using kermit with a homemade loopback plug (that connects directly to the 
pins on the serial card), so I'm now concentrating on the 25-pin plug 
itself.

Thanks,

Troy Smith

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Where can I get a Demo-Version or Full-Version of Kermit for WIN95 for 
testing?

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From: robodude@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (z.s.z.)
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I would like to use Ckermit as a terminal program on an SGI but use zmodem
to do transfers.

First of all, is this even possible?
Secondly, if it is, how would I go about doing it? I tried the following
(which didn't work): dial into a unix system via kermit (i.e. set modem
usr, set speed 38400, set line /dev/ttyf2), run "sz <filename>" on the
remote system, get back to the local kermit shell and issue "redirect rz".
Why doesn't this work? According to the kermit help file, redirect
<command> should redirect the input/output from the given command to the
connected line. 

Or does anyone else know of another terminal program that permits me to
use ymodem or zmodem on an SGI? y-/zmodem is essential for this task, as
the other system (PC based) only supports these transfer protocols.

By the way, I am currently using C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Silicon
Graphics IRIX 5.1.

Please reply via email if possible.


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From: PONTAILLER Laurent <laurent.pontailler@ln.cit.alcatel.fr>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: file transfer recovery script
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:32:29 +0200
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Frank
 
Thank you veru much for your answer about my script, now it is working for it main part. I do apologize
for not having the documentation but I get your book KERMIT a file transfer protocol, and i am waiting for
my order of the manual (they told me about 3 weeks delay). So as we are testing the usability of kermit
for our transfert from ALCATEL to our subsidaries all over the world i have to do the necessary script
without the manual.

In writing the script I have another problem, when all the retries and timeout failed because of a true
anomaly in the physical link I can't manage to restart the protocol. Ther is always some caracters in the
pipe and I can't manage to login.


	:LOOP
	echo echec du transfert
	echo nouvelle tentative dans 10 minutes
	sleep \%t
	clear
	echo le clear est fait
	;
	:NOMSG
	;
	input 30 login:                     ; attente du prompt unix

this sequence always fail in timeout on input

Is there something missing to be able to restart the transfert ?

Thanks a lot Laurent

Frank da Cruz wrote:
> 
> In article <31C004A5.41C6@ln.cit.alcatel.fr>,
> PONTAILLER Laurent  <laurent.pontailler@ln.cit.alcatel.fr> wrote:
> : I am having a problem to write a file transfer recovery script under
> : kermit for RS6000 boxes.


 :  we are not going after the connect order.
> :
> Remove the CONNECT command.  As explained in the C-Kermit manual, INPUT
> and OUTPUT take the place of CONNECT.  CONNECT is for people, INPUT and
> OUTPUT are for scripts that do what the people would have done during
> CONNECT.
> 
> - Frank

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In article <4q1ml4$1rd@topeka.cjnetworks.com>, tdsmith@cjnetworks.com (Troy Smith) writes:
> Now, before I break out the soldering iron, would someone here who knows 
> for sure be kind enough to tell me whether this port is mis-wired or not?
> I know that the ports are good at the card, since a mouse will work on 
> either one (with a 9-pin connector) and I can get characters to echo when 
> using kermit with a homemade loopback plug (that connects directly to the 
> pins on the serial card), so I'm now concentrating on the 25-pin plug 
> itself.

  There are a number of different standards for cabling the header connector
on a motherboard/expansion card to the 9- or 25-pin RS-232 connector. The
two most common are the "Everex" and IBM wiring schemes, although there are
others. If you're using some cables you scrounged out of the parts box, you
may want to see if you have any around of the other types and see if they
work better for you.

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From: "SAM, Chi-Kin" <cksam@macau.ctm.net>
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Troy Smith wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to use MS-DOS Kermit v 3.14 pl0 to connect two machines via
> null modem, but am not having much luck.  I believe that I have a
> mis-wired 25-pin serial port on one of the machines, but I'm not sure.
> In looking at a known good 9-pin port connector and comparing that to
> the signal chart on p. 269 of _Using MS-DOS Kermit_, it would appear that
> the following should be true of a properly-wired 25-pin connector:
> 
>         Ribbon conductor        Pin number
>         1                       8
>         2                       3
>         3                       2
>         4                       20
>         5                       7
>         6                       6
>         7                       4
>         8                       5
>         9                       22
> 
> but this is what I have:
> 
>         Ribbon conductor        Pin number
>         1                       8
>         2                       6
>         3                       3
>         4                       4
>         5                       2
>         6                       5
>         7                       20
>         8                       22
>         9                       7
> 
> Now, before I break out the soldering iron, would someone here who knows
> for sure be kind enough to tell me whether this port is mis-wired or not?
> I know that the ports are good at the card, since a mouse will work on
> either one (with a 9-pin connector) and I can get characters to echo when
> using kermit with a homemade loopback plug (that connects directly to the
> pins on the serial card), so I'm now concentrating on the 25-pin plug
> itself.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Troy Smith

After take a careful looking into the diagrams, I must say the first one 
should ne the corrected one.

Cheers,
  --SAM

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In article <4q2mu8$8dg@news.jhu.edu>,
z.s.z. <robodude@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> wrote:
: I would like to use Ckermit as a terminal program on an SGI but use zmodem
: to do transfers.
: 
: First of all, is this even possible?
:
Yes, but...

: Secondly, if it is, how would I go about doing it? I tried the following
: (which didn't work): dial into a unix system via kermit (i.e. set modem
: usr, set speed 38400, set line /dev/ttyf2), run "sz <filename>" on the
: remote system, get back to the local kermit shell and issue "redirect rz".
: Why doesn't this work? According to the kermit help file, redirect
: <command> should redirect the input/output from the given command to the
: connected line. 
: 
You did it right.  The problem is that your copy of sz and rz do not allow
themselves to be redirected.  That is, they do not use file descriptors
0 and/or 1 for file transfer.  See the ckurzsz.ini file for further
information.

: Or does anyone else know of another terminal program that permits me to
: use ymodem or zmodem on an SGI? y-/zmodem is essential for this task, as
: the other system (PC based) only supports these transfer protocols.
: 
If C-Kermit can't do it, then neither can other program.  If you want to use
C-Kermit (or any other program) as a "front end" to rz/sz, you'll need to
contact Omen Technology and obtain a copy of rz/sz or Professional YAM or
whatever the appropriate product is, that allows itself to be redirected.

- Frank

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In article <31C50A0D.41C6@ln.cit.alcatel.fr>,
PONTAILLER Laurent  <laurent.pontailler@ln.cit.alcatel.fr> wrote:
: In writing the script I have another problem, when all the retries and
: timeout failed because of a true anomaly in the physical link I can't
: manage to restart the protocol. Ther is always some caracters in the
: pipe and I can't manage to login.
: 
: 	:LOOP
: 	echo echec du transfert
: 	echo nouvelle tentative dans 10 minutes
: 	sleep \%t
: 	clear
: 	echo le clear est fait
: 	;
: 	:NOMSG
: 	;
: 	input 30 login:                     ; attente du prompt unix
: 
: this sequence always fail in timeout on input
: 
: Is there something missing to be able to restart the transfert ?
: 
Maybe you should remove the CLEAR command.  If the login: prompt is
already "in the pipe", the CLEAR command will discard it, and so the
"input 30 login:" command will never find it.

Script-writing is not an exact science -- commands like PAUSE and
CLEAR are sometimes needed for mysterious reasons, and sometimes they
must not be there; trial-and-error replaces the scientific method here :-)

- Frank

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Many thanks to all who replied.  I had no idea that one needed to know 
the pinout on the card header.  From what I can tell, the manufacturer 
installed an incompatible connector in the box when new, since I never 
was able to get that connector to function properly.  I wired a spare 
connector in such a way that it corresponded to the wiring of a known 
good 9-pin connector and kermit works just fine now.

Thanks again,

Troy Smith

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Hi,

This is not a Kermit protocol question, but I considered this to
be the best place to expect any answer to my question.

I am implementing a simple protocol(called TAP) for paging. I dial-in to
a paging service via modem and send/receive some char. streams.
At one point, I have to send this:

<ESC>PG1000000<CR>
and in response receive 
<ACK><CR>

where  I have #define'd ESC as 0x1B , ACK as 0x06 etc.

Here is how I am doing it:

        int len=0;
	char sbuf[500], ebuf[500];

        sbuf[len++] = ESC;
        strncpy(sbuf+len, "PG1000000", strlen("PG1000000"));
        len += strlen("PG1000000");
        sbuf[len++] = CR;
        sbuf[len] = '\0';

        ebuf[0] = ACK;
        ebuf[1] = '\0';

        cout << "sbuf=" << sbuf << "; ebuf=" << ebuf << endl;	---(1)
        sendAndExpect(sbuf, ebuf);	//writes to modem and receives chars

The program hangs at line(1) i.e.
sbuf=

such that even ^C and ^Z don't work and I have to close that window.
Even if I comment out line(1), it hangs when writes to the port.

It seems that <ESC>P   (in <ESC>PG1000000<CR>) is a bad combination
since replacing P with p, at least it didn't hang. Is that right ?

What is wrong here ? (Note that protocol spec. doesn't say I have
to convert control chars. to printable ASCII chars.)

AH

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: problem with writing "<ESC>P" into the port
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In article <4q4ajm$nev@cnj.digex.net>,
Atiqullah Hashmi <hashmi@cnj.digex.net> wrote:

: It seems that <ESC>P   (in <ESC>PG1000000<CR>) is a bad combination
: since replacing P with p, at least it didn't hang. Is that right ?

ESC P is the beginning of a Device Control String to ANSI style terminals
such as the VTxxx series.

More than likely your problem is not being caused by writing ESC P to the 
port but by your attempt to debug your program by sending the ESC P to
your terminal screen.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495
               * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
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  At home I use client program( via modem): Web browser, FTP, news reader
etc.
  (I use Slirp solftware)

  Possible use Kermit Win95 with other client? (i.e Web browser + Kermit)

thanks,

Gilles Ratel
email: ratel@ccfm.ireq.ca


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In article <01bb5d14.b3916540$223f13cc@pc-ratel.ireq.ca>,
Gilles Ratel  <ratel@ccfm.ireq.ca> wrote:
: 
: At home I use client program( via modem): Web browser, FTP, news reader
: etc.: (I use Slirp solftware)
: 
: Possible use Kermit Win95 with other client? (i.e Web browser + Kermit)
: 
Kermit 95 is a normal 32-bit Winsock client, just like Netscape, Internet
Explorer, FTP, news readers, etc, so if you can use them, you can also use
Kermit 95.  Since it shares the same TCP/IP stack as the other client
applications, you can use it at the same time as you use the other
applications.  You can also use it as the Telnet helper application for
your Web browser.

- Frank

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From: Kelvin Smith <74654.3313@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: Greek in terminal emulation
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I've run into a problem with Kermit-MS v3.14, which I recently
installed as a terminal emulator (upgrading finally from v3.10).
I run two separate COM ports (COM2 and COM4) to a DEC PDP/11 
machine running RSTS.  The IRQ and address settings haven't been 
a problem; data back and forth transfers with only rare hiccups.

The problem is that sometimes (not always), when I start up
Kermit on COM4, the terminal emulator starts up using a Greek
character set (literally Greek: P is pi, A is alpha, etc.).
The startup routines for COM2 & COM4 (initiated with -F xxx;
port settings are in a small initial file, then common settings
are called from each initial file) are identical except for
the different port settings and the fact that COM2 runs at 9600
baud while COM4 runs at 19200.  Typically, if I shut down Kermit
and restart, it comes up with a normal ASCII character set.

When I SHOW TERM, the terminal character-set is listed as Latin1
whether I get Greek or Roman characters.  I have no recollection
of this happening in five years of using v3.10.  Any ideas on where 
this is coming from and/or what I can do to prevent it?

Kelvin Smith

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Subject: Need file transfer software (KERMIT?) for VAX/VMS V5.5.
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I am looking for VAX-to-PC file transfer software to accomplish a
simple VAX-to-PC ASCII file upload/download using a modem connection.
KERMIT seems to be the protocol of choice, but I am open for any
other solution.

The file transfer software is to run on a VAX 3100-80
under VMS V5.5-2H4. Available tape drives are a TK50 and TLZ04 with
the TLZ04 being the preferred I/O device.
Since there is no compiler available on the VAX I would require
executable binaries.
KEA! 420 V4.20 software is used on the PC side.

Since I am a novice in VAX-to-PC file transfers ease of installation
and operation is very important for me.

Where could I obtain KERMIT software meeting above requirements?

You may send responses via e-mail.

Thank you kindly for your help.



Norbert M. Gstattenbauer.


e-mail: ngstatte@li.net



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From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers)
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Subject: Re: Need help about the SERVER option
Date: 19 Jun 1996 08:45:35 GMT
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In article <4pr8mh$6uj@bolzer.rz.tu-cottbus.de>,
tm@Informatik.TU-Cottbus.DE (Torsten Mielke) writes:

> Can anybody tell me what the SERVER-Option ist for?

Without SERVER mode, a command must be issued on each of
the two systems for each transfer:

     System A <----------------------------> System B

     Send xxxx   ........................>   Receive
       ...                                     ...
     Receive    <........................    Send yyyy
       ...                                     ...

Using SERVER mode, one system automatically responds to a
series of commands from the other:

     System A <----------------------------> System B

                                             SERVER

     Remote DIR <.........................   (sends directory)

     Send xxxx   .........................>  (receives xxxx)

     Get  yyyy  <.........................   (sends yyyy)

     Finish                                  (server mode ends)
     (or)
     Bye                                     (logs out)

Typical use:

     System A                                System B

     CONNECT (become a terminal)             Login:
     myaccount                               Passwd:
     mypasswd                                %
     KERMIT                                  Kermit-XX>
     SERVER
     (Escape to Kermit mode)
     REMOTE DIR  (see results)
     SEND xxxx               ........>
     GET  yyyy.*            <........
     BYE

or:  CONNECT                                 Login:
     myaccount                               Passwd:
     mypasswd                                %
     KERMIT                                  Kermit-XX>
     SEND yyyy.*
     (Escape to Kermit mode)
     SERVER             <......(yyyy.*)......
     ^C
     CONNECT                                 Kermit-XX>
     QUIT                                    %
     LOGOUT                                  Login:

-----------------------------------------------------------
With best wishes from:  John H Meyers  ( jhmeyers@mum.edu )

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From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers)
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In article <4pr8mh$6uj@bolzer.rz.tu-cottbus.de>,
tm@Informatik.TU-Cottbus.DE (Torsten Mielke) writes:

> Can anybody tell me what the SERVER-Option ist for?

Without SERVER mode, a command must be issued on each of
the two systems for each transfer:

     System A <----------------------------> System B

     Send xxxx   ........................>   Receive
       ...                                     ...
     Receive    <........................    Send yyyy
       ...                                     ...

Using SERVER mode, one system automatically responds to a
series of commands from the other:

     System A <----------------------------> System B

                                             SERVER

     Remote DIR <.........................   (sends directory)

     Send xxxx   .........................>  (receives xxxx)

     Get  yyyy  <.........................   (sends yyyy)

     Finish                                  (server mode ends)
     (or)
     Bye                                     (logs out)

-----------------------------------------------------------
With best wishes from:  John H Meyers  ( jhmeyers@mum.edu )

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Need file transfer software (KERMIT?) for VAX/VMS V5.5.
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In article <4q6ojf$4g6@linet06.li.net>,
Norbert M. Gstattenbauer <ngstatte@li.net> wrote:
: I am looking for VAX-to-PC file transfer software to accomplish a
: simple VAX-to-PC ASCII file upload/download using a modem connection.
: KERMIT seems to be the protocol of choice, but I am open for any
: other solution.
: 
: The file transfer software is to run on a VAX 3100-80
: under VMS V5.5-2H4. Available tape drives are a TK50 and TLZ04 with
: the TLZ04 being the preferred I/O device.
: Since there is no compiler available on the VAX I would require
: executable binaries.
:
You can get VMS C-Kermit (including the binary) from us on TK50
cartridge.

: Where could I obtain KERMIT software meeting above requirements?
: 
: You may send responses via e-mail.
: 
Will do.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Greek in terminal emulation
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In article <4q7nq3$ft7$2@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>,
Kelvin Smith  <74654.3313@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
: I've run into a problem with Kermit-MS v3.14, which I recently
: installed as a terminal emulator (upgrading finally from v3.10).
: I run two separate COM ports (COM2 and COM4) to a DEC PDP/11 
: machine running RSTS.  The IRQ and address settings haven't been 
: a problem; data back and forth transfers with only rare hiccups.
: 
: The problem is that sometimes (not always), when I start up
: Kermit on COM4, the terminal emulator starts up using a Greek
: character set (literally Greek: P is pi, A is alpha, etc.).
: The startup routines for COM2 & COM4 (initiated with -F xxx;
: port settings are in a small initial file, then common settings
: are called from each initial file) are identical except for
: the different port settings and the fact that COM2 runs at 9600
: baud while COM4 runs at 19200.  Typically, if I shut down Kermit
: and restart, it comes up with a normal ASCII character set.
: 
: When I SHOW TERM, the terminal character-set is listed as Latin1
: whether I get Greek or Roman characters.  I have no recollection
: of this happening in five years of using v3.10.  Any ideas on where 
: this is coming from and/or what I can do to prevent it?
: 
First, let's rule out the possibility that somehow a different code
page is being loaded.  In a session in which you are seeing Greek,
what happens if you type "run chcp" at the MS-Kermit> prompt?
I expect it will say that your code page is 437, which does include
some Greek characters.

Second, what about your PARITY and TERMINAL BYTESIZE settings?  For
using RSTS/E, I expect they should be NONE and 7, respectively (I don't
remember RSTS that well -- maybe it needs EVEN parity).

So if your code page is 437 and your communications are 7-bit, you should
not see any Greek.  If you are, my next guess would be that somebody is
playing an elaborate trick on you.  Because if your TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET
is LATIN1, there is no way you would ever see a Greek character on your
screen, except lowercase mu, which is the only Greek character that is
part of Latin Alphabet 1.  (But if your TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET is TRANSPARENT
then you could see some Greek if your code page is 437.)

Such a trick could be accomplished by loading a nonstandard font that
had Greek characters in the ASCII positions, or by using SET TRANSLATE
INPUT commands in some file that MS-DOS Kermit is executing.

So after SET PORT COM4 and seeing Greek, escape back to the MS-Kermit>
prompt and look carefully at what is reported by SHOW TERMINAL and SHOW
COMMUNICATIONS.

- Frank

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If you are in the New York area and are in charge of your company's
internet strategy, focus groups are being scheduled in NYC Monday, June 24
and Tuesday, June 25, those who participate will be paid at the completion
of the discussion.

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From: tm@Informatik.TU-Cottbus.DE (Torsten Mielke)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Need help about the SERVER option
Date: 14 Jun 1996 08:42:57 GMT
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Hi Everybody.

Can anybody tell me what the SERVER-Option ist for?
I would need a little bit detailed instructions.

Thanks


Torsten Mielke
tm@informatik.tu-cottbus.de


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Need help about the SERVER option
Date: 19 Jun 1996 18:02:06 GMT
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In article <4pr8mh$6uj@bolzer.rz.tu-cottbus.de>,
Torsten Mielke <tm@Informatik.TU-Cottbus.DE> wrote:
: Can anybody tell me what the SERVER-Option ist for?
: I would need a little bit detailed instructions.
: 
German-speaking MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit users may find the
answers to all their questions about Kermit in the manuals:

  Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
  Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany
  (1991), 414 pages.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  ISBN
  3-88229-006-4.

  Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und
  Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).  ISBN
  3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.

Published by:

Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG
Helstorfer Strasse 7
D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY
Tel.  +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax  +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29

- Frank

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From: William Mills <mills@genmagic.com>
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Subject: Re: Zmodem and Kermit.
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:33:16 -0700
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Thanks,

I will go get the beta and try this out.  I did find and 
OOOOOLD version of xmodem which I can amke work but would 
much prefer the Z variety.

Now I just have the scripting to deal with and figure out 
why I dont get the proper things from \%n the way I think I 
should.

Clarence Dold wrote:
> 
> William Mills (mills@genmagic.com) wrote:

...snip...

> 
> The new ckermit beta, announced here a few weeks ago, supports auto-download
> of ZModem.  I use it every day.
> 
> It does require the external szrz to be available on your system.

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From: William Mills <mills@genmagic.com>
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It used to be possible when rz was a friendlier package to 
to r[xyz] from inside kermit.  I can not make that work 
right at this point.

My problem:  I need to dial a remote system (BBS) that only 
supports file transfer in xyz-modem.  This is from an 
HP9000-7xx series machine running HPUX 9.x.

Suggestions?  Pointers?

I have also tried using cu instead of kermit to see if it is 
a problem with the way that I was invoking rz, no luck.

e-mail or net is fine.

Thanks,
-bill

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William Mills (mills@genmagic.com) wrote:
: It used to be possible when rz was a friendlier package to 
: to r[xyz] from inside kermit.  I can not make that work 
: right at this point.

: My problem:  I need to dial a remote system (BBS) that only 
: supports file transfer in xyz-modem.  This is from an 
: HP9000-7xx series machine running HPUX 9.x.

Of course this is the only application where ZModem makes sense, when you
can't control the other end ;-)

The new ckermit beta, announced here a few weeks ago, supports auto-download
of ZModem.  I use it every day.

It does require the external szrz to be available on your system.
I have a copy of the old, friendly variety.
The ckermit beta is on columbia.

Kermit is available on the Internet via anonymous ftp from host 
watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]
-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Zmodem and Kermit.
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In article <31C98B5C.3061@genmagic.com>,
William Mills  <mills@genmagic.com> wrote:
: I will go get the beta and try this out.  I did find and 
: OOOOOLD version of xmodem which I can amke work but would 
: much prefer the Z variety.
: 
Well, that's one approach.  Personally, I would recommend that
you license an up-to-date Zmodem package from Omen Technology,
which, I believe, does allow itself to be used as an external
protocol.  I am a big believer in supporting the originators of
popular protocols :-)

- Frank

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I've had no luck getting K95 to work properly as the default telnet
for Netscape 2.2 (32bit). It fires up but won't accept keyboard input.

I've put "E:\K95\K95.EXE -c -j" in Netscape's
Options/Preferences/Apps/Telnet field and copied the K95 telnet.exe to
the Windows directory (renaming the Windows telnet.exe to
oldtelnet.exe). I've also added E:\K95 to the DOS path. It works great
with the MS Explorer (3.0b) but no luck with Netscape.

I'm so sure I'm overlooking something really obvious and have a major
dope slap comming. Hmmmmm... what _could_ it be?

--

Brendan McEnaney
mcenaney@world.std.com


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In article <4q7nq3$ft7$2@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Kelvin Smith <74654.3313@CompuServe.COM> writes:
> I've run into a problem with Kermit-MS v3.14, which I recently
> installed as a terminal emulator (upgrading finally from v3.10).
> I run two separate COM ports (COM2 and COM4) to a DEC PDP/11 
> machine running RSTS.  The IRQ and address settings haven't been 
> a problem; data back and forth transfers with only rare hiccups.
> 
> The problem is that sometimes (not always), when I start up
> Kermit on COM4, the terminal emulator starts up using a Greek
> character set (literally Greek: P is pi, A is alpha, etc.).
> The startup routines for COM2 & COM4 (initiated with -F xxx;
> port settings are in a small initial file, then common settings
> are called from each initial file) are identical except for
> the different port settings and the fact that COM2 runs at 9600
> baud while COM4 runs at 19200.  Typically, if I shut down Kermit
> and restart, it comes up with a normal ASCII character set.
> 
> When I SHOW TERM, the terminal character-set is listed as Latin1
> whether I get Greek or Roman characters.  I have no recollection
> of this happening in five years of using v3.10.  Any ideas on where 
> this is coming from and/or what I can do to prevent it?
> 
> Kelvin Smith
------------
	I'd suggest a clean start and then find the offending side effect.
Try KERMIT -f nul  to eliminate all startup files, then TAKE filename
one at a time between checks, until you find the item yielding the effect.
Please check the distribution docs on what COMx means and ensure there
are no hardware conflicts from your system. Check for viruses (normal
advice for any problem these days, sorry). Check what the other end is
doing by going to another machine. Don't load TSR's unless necessary.
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <1UJyxY6wjNkG091yn@world.std.com>,
Brendan McEnaney <mcenaney@world.std.com> wrote:
: I've had no luck getting K95 to work properly as the default telnet
: for Netscape 2.2 (32bit). It fires up but won't accept keyboard input.
: 
This is Yet Another "Restriction" in Window 95 vis-a-vis console
applications.  When a console application is started by a GUI application
(or vice versa), keyboard focus often tends to be misplaced.

: I've put "E:\K95\K95.EXE -c -j" in Netscape's
: Options/Preferences/Apps/Telnet field and copied the K95 telnet.exe to
: the Windows directory (renaming the Windows telnet.exe to
: oldtelnet.exe). I've also added E:\K95 to the DOS path. It works great
: with the MS Explorer (3.0b) but no luck with Netscape.
: 
: I'm so sure I'm overlooking something really obvious and have a major
: dope slap comming. Hmmmmm... what _could_ it be?
: 
Believe me, it's nothing obvious.

Go to http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html/ and then go to the hints
and tips from users section -- you should find the necessary magic
incantation there.

Console applications are most definitely second-class citizens in Windows 95.
This and hundreds of other problems will magically disappear when conversion
to GUI is complete.  ("When?"  "We're till working on it.")  (But first
there will be another interim console-mode release, to be announced very
soon.)

- Frank

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I'm using Kermit95, and when I use telnet to access a legacy application
on my site, the first screen sends some control codes which puts a the
following code on the status line:

DCS STRING

What is this and how can I get rid of it?

Please reply to dpyper@mms.rvh.mcgill.ca!  I need your help!



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In article <Pine.A32.3.93.960620082843.16590A-100000@mms.rvh.mcgill.ca>,
David Pyper  <dpyper@mms.rvh.mcgill.ca> wrote:
: I'm using Kermit95, and when I use telnet to access a legacy application
: on my site, the first screen sends some control codes which puts a the
: following code on the status line:
: 
: DCS STRING
: 
: What is this and how can I get rid of it?
: 
DCS means Device Control String.  It is an escape sequence that starts
out as ESC P (or 8-bit DCS) and ends with String Terminator, ESC \
(or 8-bit ST).

When a DCS arrives, the terminal reads characters until the ST comes,
then it interprets the intervening characters and executes them as a
command.

But what happens if the ST never comes?  The terminal is hung forever,
until you reset it.  Try this on a real VT220 or 320 to see what I mean.

How can this happen?  Either your host is sending improper escape sequences
(such as an unterminated DCS), or there is a disagreement between Kermit's
terminal type and the type of terminal the host thinks you have (e.g. ESC P
might be a valid sequence for some other terminal type), or the DCS lead-in
was spontaneously generated as communications-line noise.

A nice feature of Kermit 95 is that it tells you (in the status line)
when a DCS has been received.  That way, if the ST never comes, you'll
know what's going on and you can (for example) push the "reset button"
(verb \Kreset, assigned to Alt-R by default) to get back to normal.
(Or, if more than about 4K of stuff arrives after DCS but before the ST,
Kermit 95 breaks out of "DCS wait" automatically.)

How do you make it stop happening?  If the host is sending ESC P or 8-bit
DCS to a terminal that it thinks is a VT220 or 320, without sending a
the matching ST, then reconfigure your host not to do that -- it's wrong.

For further assistance, send a session log to kermit-support@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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From: William Mills <mills@genmagic.com>
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I was having similar problems,  even testing parts of teh 
script and when I put them all together they broke.

I found that frequent pauses of good size at the significant 
points like after you log in, made it work.  I shove a pause 
10 in there and lo-and-behold it works.

Seems faster when testing by hand, but the script needs it I 
guess.

-bill

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <31C9B639.E87@genmagic.com>,
William Mills  <mills@genmagic.com> wrote:
: I was having similar problems,  even testing parts of teh 
: script and when I put them all together they broke.
: 
: I found that frequent pauses of good size at the significant 
: points like after you log in, made it work.  I shove a pause 
: 10 in there and lo-and-behold it works.
: 
: Seems faster when testing by hand, but the script needs it I 
: guess.
: 
PAUSE 10 (seconds) might be a little excessive, but yes, sometimes
pauses are necessary.  In the most common example, the computer
prompts for a password and then waits for you to type your password.
But it does NOT allow you to type ahead (this is a security feature).
Thus it does something like this:

  Print "Password:"
  Clear input buffer
  Read password from user

Clearing the input buffer takes some time, usually imperceptible to
a human, but if a script sees "Password:" and responds instantly,
the text could start to arrive while the computer is still clearing
its buffer, and so the first few characters can be lost.

So (remembering that we must never store passwords in a file), here
is a typical login script:
  
  def \%p
  while not def \%p { 
      askq \%p {Please type your password: }
  }
  ;
  ; Put commands here to make the connection
  ;  
  input 10 login:                ; (or whatever)
  if fail ...                    ; (handle failure here)
  output myuserid\13             ; (replace with your actual ID)
  input 10 Password:             ; (or whatever)
  if fail ...                    ; (handle failure here)
  pause 1                        ; (or longer if necessary)
  output \%p\13                  ; send password
  def \%p                        ; erase this from memory

and then CONNECT or whatever else you want to do next.

- Frank

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From: Tom Frenkel <frenkel@cucis.cis.columbia.edu>
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To the Kermit newsgroup:

I access a mainframe from home, using Kermit on a PC (running DOS 5). 
Once dialed in, I give a "tn" command to connect to the mainframe. 
(Apparently "tn" is a version of "tn3270").  I am able to log on to the
mainframe, and things work pretty well ... except that the PF keys are not
mapped correctly.  For example, instead of F10, I have to use the sequence
"Escape 0".  Obviously, this is cumbersome.  Could anyone help me re-map
things so that the PF keys work properly? 

I am working with the Tech Support people at my installation on this 
issue, but so far they aren't too sure of the solution.  I've also read 
the part of the Kermit FAQ entitled "Where is the key map for 3270 
emulation" but am still unclear on things ... for instance, in which 
Kermit file I place the "set key" commands.  If anyone out there has 
experience with this area, and could help, I would be very appreciative!  
Thanks,

	--Tom
        Tom Frenkel <frenkel@cucis.cis.columbia.edu>

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <19960621134518.aaaa005ZI@babyblue.cs.yale.edu>,
Tom Frenkel  <frenkel@cucis.cis.columbia.edu> wrote:
: I access a mainframe from home, using Kermit on a PC (running DOS 5). 
: Once dialed in, I give a "tn" command to connect to the mainframe. 
: (Apparently "tn" is a version of "tn3270").  I am able to log on to the
: mainframe, and things work pretty well ... except that the PF keys are not
: mapped correctly.  For example, instead of F10, I have to use the sequence
: "Escape 0".  Obviously, this is cumbersome.  Could anyone help me re-map
: things so that the PF keys work properly? 
: 
Did you read about key mapping in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit"?
SHOW KEY reveals that the scan code of the F10 key is \324.  So:

  SET KEY \324 \{27}0

makes F10 send ESC and then "0".

: I am working with the Tech Support people at my installation on this 
: issue, but so far they aren't too sure of the solution.  I've also read 
: the part of the Kermit FAQ entitled "Where is the key map for 3270 
: emulation" but am still unclear on things ... for instance, in which 
: Kermit file I place the "set key" commands.  If anyone out there has 
: experience with this area, and could help, I would be very appreciative!  
: 
You can put the commands anywhere you want.  Read about command files
in Chapter 14 of the manual.  For example, if you put them in a file,
C:\KERMIT\TN.INI, then tell Kermit to "take c:\kermit\tn.ini".  If this is
the only connection that you use Kermit for, then you can have this file
executed automatically every time you start Kermit by putting the TAKE
command in your MSCUSTOM.INI file, or adding the SET KEY commands themselves
to your MSCUSTOM.INI file.

- Frank


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From: "SAM, Chi-Kin" <cksam@macau.ctm.net>
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William Mills wrote:
> 
> It used to be possible when rz was a friendlier package to
> to r[xyz] from inside kermit.  I can not make that work
> right at this point.
> 
> My problem:  I need to dial a remote system (BBS) that only
> supports file transfer in xyz-modem.  This is from an
> HP9000-7xx series machine running HPUX 9.x.
> 
> Suggestions?  Pointers?
> 
> I have also tried using cu instead of kermit to see if it is
> a problem with the way that I was invoking rz, no luck.
> 
> e-mail or net is fine.
> 
> Thanks,
> -bill

The SZRZ can be called within C-kermit in Sun OS, in fact I have the following line in 
my .kermrc:

define autosz1 apc rz1, !sz -L1024 -b \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4

In fact, this macro also initial the auto receive of z-modem transfer by my MS-kermit, 
so if you would want to go so complicated, you can initial sz tranfer, after enter 
C-kermit by:

!sz <filename>

Note: above method need the exist of the sz/rz program.


Cheers,
   --SAM
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We are using Data General MV/60000 HA-1 and its OS is AOS/VS II.
And we use C-Kermit and MS-Kermit protocol for file transfer between two 
systems. It is fairly well in operation but too slow to send or receive 
a large file. Approximately, it give us 300cps performance with 28.8Kbps 
modem. I thought, there is no solution to improve the file transfer 
speed.
Recentry, I saw the FAQ list about Kermit. And I get to know Kermit is 
not a low performance file transfer protocol.
It said that we can tune up the Kermit to improve the speed.
Especially, long packet size and multiple windows, etc.

And I got the current version of C-Kermit and MS-Kermit now.
C-Kermit 5A(190) and MS-Kermit 3.14 repectively.
Then I tested using them.

>From AOS/VS to MS-DOS(download), it was great!! More than 4 or 5 times 
faster than before. No retries at all. I had excited.

But, from MS-DOS to AOS/VS(upload), I failed every times. There were too 
many retries. Sometimes, program aborted caused by retries. Sometimes, 
file has been trnasferred to PC with about 100 times retries.
You can imagine, how performance it was!
But, I don't know why. 
Please help to solve this problem.

The only changed parameters by me are as follows;  

set receive packet-length 2000
set block 3
set wind 4
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your sincere response would be highly appreciated.
Thanks.

Dong Kim
Seoul, korea

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In article <31CB9ADB.432C@soback.kornet.nm.kr>,
Dong G. Kim <kps01@soback.kornet.nm.kr> wrote:
: We are using Data General MV/60000 HA-1 and its OS is AOS/VS II.
: And we use C-Kermit and MS-Kermit protocol for file transfer between two 
: systems. It is fairly well in operation but too slow to send or receive 
: a large file. Approximately, it give us 300cps performance with 28.8Kbps 
: modem. I thought, there is no solution to improve the file transfer 
: speed.
: Recentry, I saw the FAQ list about Kermit. And I get to know Kermit is 
: not a low performance file transfer protocol.
: It said that we can tune up the Kermit to improve the speed.
: Especially, long packet size and multiple windows, etc.
: 
: And I got the current version of C-Kermit and MS-Kermit now.
: C-Kermit 5A(190) and MS-Kermit 3.14 repectively.
: Then I tested using them.
: 
: From AOS/VS to MS-DOS(download), it was great!! More than 4 or 5 times 
: faster than before. No retries at all. I had excited.
: 
: But, from MS-DOS to AOS/VS(upload), I failed every times. There were too 
: many retries. Sometimes, program aborted caused by retries. Sometimes, 
: file has been trnasferred to PC with about 100 times retries.
: You can imagine, how performance it was!
: But, I don't know why. 
: Please help to solve this problem.
: 
: The only changed parameters by me are as follows;  
: 
: set receive packet-length 2000
: set block 3
: set wind 4
:
It sounds like a lack of flow control.  The PC is sending bytes faster
than the MV system can read them, and so some of the incoming bytes are
lost before Kermit even gets a chance to read them.

The same thing happens, by the way, on a Telnet connection.  AOS/VS
C-Kermit can send files at high speed using large packet and Window sizes,
but it can not receive them that way.

So I think we have a lack of adequate flow control combined with a
terminal driver that is not designed to receive large amounts of input
(regardless of the communication method).

The best solution is to enable a good method of flow control.  Start
Kermit this way:

  ) char/on/hifc/hofc
  ) x kermit
  C-Kermit> set flow keep

This tells AOS/VS to enable RTS/CTS flow control on your login port, and
"set flow keep" tells Kermit not to try to change the flow control on the
port.  Of course RTS/CTS must also be enabled on the modem that is
connected to the port.

If that doesn't work, then try using Xon/Xoff software flow control:

  ) char/on/ifc/ofc
  ) x kermit
  C-Kermit> set flow xon/xoff

In this case you must enable LOCAL Xon/Xoff flow control in the modem.

If you are still having trouble, then try using a smaller packet size
and/or window size when sending to AOS/VS.  Remember, the rule is:

  For any given connection, there is an optimum combination
  of packet and window size.

If you make it smaller, the transfer will go unnecessarily slow.  If you
make it bigger there will be errors.  The nice thing about Kermit is that
it has commands to let you control every aspect of its operation and
configure optimally for every connection.

By the way, most of the above is covered in the manual, "Using C-Kermit",
in the file transfer section and in the AOS/VS appendix.

Finally, you might want to look at the new C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta test,
which is available for AOS/VS as well as UNIX and VMS.  It is in the
kermit/test directory tree on kermit.columbia.edu.

- Frank

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From: Kelvin Smith <74654.3313@CompuServe.COM>
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In message <4q916a$if8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, 
  fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:

> First, let's rule out the possibility that somehow a different code
> page is being loaded.  In a session in which you are seeing Greek,
> what happens if you type "run chcp" at the MS-Kermit> prompt?
> I expect it will say that your code page is 437, which does include
> some Greek characters.

Yes, I'm using code page 437.

> Second, what about your PARITY and TERMINAL BYTESIZE settings?  For
> using RSTS/E, I expect they should be NONE and 7, respectively (I don't
> remember RSTS that well -- maybe it needs EVEN parity).

Under SHOW TERM, parity is listed as "None (8-bit data)".

> So if your code page is 437 and your communications are 7-bit, you should
> not see any Greek.  If you are, my next guess would be that somebody is
> playing an elaborate trick on you.  Because if your TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET
> is LATIN1, there is no way you would ever see a Greek character on your
> screen, except lowercase mu, which is the only Greek character that is
> part of Latin Alphabet 1.  (But if your TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET is TRANSPARENT
> then you could see some Greek if your code page is 437.)

> Such a trick could be accomplished by loading a nonstandard font that
> had Greek characters in the ASCII positions, or by using SET TRANSLATE
> INPUT commands in some file that MS-DOS Kermit is executing.

The possibility of such a trick being played on me is extremely remote.
I ftp'ed Kermit directly from Columbia.  No one else in my office of
4 people has the technical skills to pull off a trick like this (I set
up all the programs for them, not the other way around), and the PC 
is not physically accessible to anyone outside the office.  

> So after SET PORT COM4 and seeing Greek, escape back to the MS-Kermit>
> prompt and look carefully at what is reported by SHOW TERMINAL and SHOW
> COMMUNICATIONS.

I can't reproduce this problem at will, but the last time it happened
I had the Greek version (running on COM4) and a properly displaying 
version (running on COM2) running in separate sessions under Windows.
I task-switched back and forth between the two looking at every item
in SHOW COMM and SHOW TERM.  The only things that varied were the
port-specific settings (COM number, port address, speed).  Twice I've
changed the terminal character-set when I was seeing Greek, even 
though SHOW TERM showed the active character-set as Latin1.  Setting
it to either ASCII or Latin1 cleared the condition (previous characters
were unchanged, but anything displayed following was in normal form).
IOW, resetting it to Latin1, even when Kermit claimed it was already
using Latin1, cleared the condition.

Kelvin Smith

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From: jeffbis@azstarnet.com (Jeff Bishop)
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Subject: Will there be a new MSDOS version of kermit?
Date: 22 Jun 1996 20:24:13 -0700
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I have noticed that new development of the CKERMIT project is underway. Will
there be a new MSDOS version of kermit.

Jeff

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From: rkutai@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU (Raymond Steven Kutai)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: HELP:  random beeps at high speed connection
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Hello,
       I am using KERMIT 3.14 to connect to my UNIX account from home.  
Recently I swithced from using the HAYES.SCR to ULTRA144.SCR.  I managed to 
get connection.  I noticed there's some improvement in speed.  Problem is I 
kept getting some random beeps, and ramdom characters on the screen.  I read 
the .BWR and .UPD files included with the Kermit dist. and I found out that 
the random beeps and characters are due to the high speed.  Further, I need to 
use flow control.  Well I did 'set flow xon/xoff' and also tried 'set flow 
rcs/cts'  but still getting the beeps and random chars.  Is there anyway to 
solve this problem?

	My modem is Hayes Optima 9600.  BTW, things works fine at 9600bps, but
I want to make it work at 384000bps in order to take full advantage of the 
modem capabilities.

	Thanks in advance.

RSK
06.21.96

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: HELP:  random beeps at high speed connection
Date: 23 Jun 1996 15:12:04 GMT
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In article <4qiniu$s22@gaia.ns.utk.edu>,
Raymond Steven Kutai <rkutai@utkux.utk.edu> wrote:
: I am using KERMIT 3.14 to connect to my UNIX account from home.
: Recently I swithced from using the HAYES.SCR to ULTRA144.SCR.  I managed
: to get connection.  I noticed there's some improvement in speed.
: Problem is I kept getting some random beeps, and ramdom characters on
: the screen.  I read the .BWR and .UPD files included with the Kermit
: dist. and I found out that the random beeps and characters are due to
: the high speed.  Further, I need to use flow control.  Well I did 'set
: flow xon/xoff' and also tried 'set flow rcs/cts' but still getting the
: beeps and random chars.  Is there anyway to solve this problem?
:
: My modem is Hayes Optima 9600.  BTW, things works fine at 9600bps, but I
: want to make it work at 384000bps in order to take full advantage of the
: modem capabilities.
: 
ULTRA144.SCR sets the speed to 38400 and sets Kermit's flow control to
RTS/CTS and also sets the modem's flow control to RTS/CTS by giving it the
command AT&K1&K3.  Therefore, assuming there are no imcompatibilities
between the Ultra 14400 and the Optima 9600, everything is set up right.

You didn't say what kind of computer you have, or what operating system,
or what kind of UART (serial port controller).  Beeps indicate a UART
overrun -- that is, a character arrived before the previous character had
been read.

This usually means (a) a slow computer, (b) an overloaded computer,
(c) you are running Kermit under Windows 3.x, and/or (d) your PC has an
unbuffered UART.

The solutions are: (a) get a faster computer, (b) don't run so many other
applications or TSRs at the same time as Kermit, (c) run Kermit under DOS
instead of Windows, and/or (d) replace your unbuffered (8250 or 14550)
UART with a buffered (16550A) UART.

Or, as a last resort, since your computer can't keep up at 38400, use a
lower speed, like 19200 or 9600 (as you are doing).

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Will there be a new MSDOS version of kermit?
Date: 23 Jun 1996 15:14:32 GMT
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In article <IHLzxgHkl2/V091yn@azstarnet.com>,
Jeff Bishop <jeffbis@azstarnet.com> wrote:
: I have noticed that new development of the CKERMIT project is underway. Will
: there be a new MSDOS version of kermit.
: 
Yes.  Watch this space for announcements.

- Frank




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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: HELP:  random beeps at high speed connection
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In article <4qiniu$s22@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, rkutai@utkux.utk.edu (Raymond Steven Kutai) writes:
> Hello,
>        I am using KERMIT 3.14 to connect to my UNIX account from home.  
> Recently I swithced from using the HAYES.SCR to ULTRA144.SCR.  I managed to 
> get connection.  I noticed there's some improvement in speed.  Problem is I 
> kept getting some random beeps, and ramdom characters on the screen.  I read 
> the .BWR and .UPD files included with the Kermit dist. and I found out that 
> the random beeps and characters are due to the high speed.  Further, I need to 
> use flow control.  Well I did 'set flow xon/xoff' and also tried 'set flow 
> rcs/cts'  but still getting the beeps and random chars.  Is there anyway to 
> solve this problem?
> 
> 	My modem is Hayes Optima 9600.  BTW, things works fine at 9600bps, but
> I want to make it work at 384000bps in order to take full advantage of the 
> modem capabilities.
------------
	MS-DOS Kermit uses character Control-G (Bell) to stand for one or
more characters lost from a serial port due to "incoming overrun." That
means Kermit was unable to get to the serial port UART in time before a
second or third... character arrived there and all but the last were lost.
On today's computers this ought not happen unless the machine is strangely
configured.
	Primary guess is IRQ or port conflicts. Second guess is something
on your machine eating lots of cpu time with interrupts turned off, such
as screen savers, a so-so disk cache, and so on. Third guess is simply a
noisy comms link. This means you get to open the box, to unload all kinds
of nifty software appearing in config.sys and autoexec.bat and put back
one item at a time, and to talk with your local telephone company.
	Keep in mind that when you try SET FLOW RTS/CTS that the modem itself
must be informed to do the same. Please check your modem manual for the
proper command (typically an AT kind). RTS/CTS is the preferred flow control
method.
	Joe D. 

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Greek in terminal emulation
Date: 23 Jun 1996 16:22:02 GMT
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In article <4qi3l8$4ht$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com>,
Kelvin Smith  <74654.3313@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
:
: (Spurious display of Greek characters when using COM4...)
: 
: I can't reproduce this problem at will, but the last time it happened
: I had the Greek version (running on COM4) and a properly displaying 
: version (running on COM2) running in separate sessions under Windows.
: I task-switched back and forth between the two looking at every item
: in SHOW COMM and SHOW TERM.  The only things that varied were the
: port-specific settings (COM number, port address, speed).  Twice I've
: changed the terminal character-set when I was seeing Greek, even 
: though SHOW TERM showed the active character-set as Latin1.  Setting
: it to either ASCII or Latin1 cleared the condition (previous characters
: were unchanged, but anything displayed following was in normal form).
: IOW, resetting it to Latin1, even when Kermit claimed it was already
: using Latin1, cleared the condition.
: 
Joe and I discussed this one, and we are pretty much stumped.  I suspect
some bizarre interaction of Windows "features" and the COM4 setup.  Does
your COM4 have a unique IRQ?  (Are you sure?)  Do you have anything about
COM4 in your WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI file?  If so, what?

Are you using expanded memory for rollback screens?  If so, what happens
if you turn off this feature?  (SET TERM EXPANDED-MEMORY OFF)

What happens if you use Kermit on COM4 outside of Windows?

- Frank

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Subject: Re: K95 and Netscape
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Frank da Cruz wrote:
> 
> In article <1UJyxY6wjNkG091yn@world.std.com>,
> Brendan McEnaney <mcenaney@world.std.com> wrote:
> : I've had no luck getting K95 to work properly as the default telnet
> : for Netscape 2.2 (32bit). It fires up but won't accept keyboard input.
> :
> This is Yet Another "Restriction" in Window 95 vis-a-vis console
> applications.  When a console application is started by a GUI application
> (or vice versa), keyboard focus often tends to be misplaced.
> 
> : I've put "E:\K95\K95.EXE -c -j" in Netscape's
> : Options/Preferences/Apps/Telnet field and copied the K95 telnet.exe to
> : the Windows directory (renaming the Windows telnet.exe to
> : oldtelnet.exe). I've also added E:\K95 to the DOS path. It works great
> : with the MS Explorer (3.0b) but no luck with Netscape.
> :
> : I'm so sure I'm overlooking something really obvious and have a major
> : dope slap comming. Hmmmmm... what _could_ it be?
> :
> Believe me, it's nothing obvious.
> 
> Go to http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html/ and then go to the hints
> and tips from users section -- you should find the necessary magic
> incantation there.
> 
> Console applications are most definitely second-class citizens in Windows 95.
> This and hundreds of other problems will magically disappear when conversion
> to GUI is complete.  ("When?"  "We're till working on it.")  (But first
> there will be another interim console-mode release, to be announced very
> soon.)
> 
> - Frank



Frank,
       When I click on the URL I get this message

File Not found

The requested URL /kermit/k95.html/ was not found on this server

just thought I would let you know.

gary gladney

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In article <31CEB4C6.41C6@stsci.edu>, Gary Gladney  <gladney@stsci.edu> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz wrote:
: > In article <1UJyxY6wjNkG091yn@world.std.com>,
: > Brendan McEnaney <mcenaney@world.std.com> wrote:
: > : I've had no luck getting K95 to work properly as the default telnet
: > : for Netscape 2.2 (32bit). It fires up but won't accept keyboard input.
: > ...
: > Go to http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html/ and then go to the hints
: > and tips from users section -- you should find the necessary magic
: > incantation there.
: > 
: When I click on the URL I get this message:
: 
:   File Not found
: 
: The requested URL /kermit/k95.html/ was not found on this server
: 
Sorry, typo.  There should be no trailing slash.  The proper URL is:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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Dong G. Kim (kps01@soback.kornet.nm.kr) wrote:
: We are using Data General MV/60000 HA-1 and its OS is AOS/VS II.
: And we use C-Kermit and MS-Kermit protocol for file transfer between two 
: systems. It is fairly well in operation but too slow to send or receive 
: a large file. Approximately, it give us 300cps performance with 28.8Kbps 
: modem. I thought, there is no solution to improve the file transfer 
: speed.

There is also a problem with the IACs.  We have never been able to get
faster than 9600 connection to an MV25000.  At my location I have to also
go through a MUX/MODEM so I'm lucky to see much over 150 CPS though the
longer the upload goes the better the overall final speed.
   We've tried lots of tricks to get a 19200, even a direct wire from
inside the computer room, but to no avail.
   Thanks goodness we've moving to a UNIX based system.
   
Rod

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From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson)
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Subject: Re: HELP:  random beeps at high speed connection
Date: 24 Jun 1996 23:49:21 GMT
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Raymond Steven Kutai (rkutai@utkux.utk.edu) wrote:
: Hello,
:        I am using KERMIT 3.14 to connect to my UNIX account from home.  
: Recently I swithced from using the HAYES.SCR to ULTRA144.SCR.  I managed to 
: get connection.  I noticed there's some improvement in speed.  Problem is I 
: kept getting some random beeps, and ramdom characters on the screen.  I read 
: the .BWR and .UPD files included with the Kermit dist. and I found out that 
: the random beeps and characters are due to the high speed.  Further, I need to 
: use flow control.  Well I did 'set flow xon/xoff' and also tried 'set flow 
: rcs/cts'  but still getting the beeps and random chars.  Is there anyway to 
: solve this problem?

Is this an internal or external MODEM?  On some not-so-old machines I've
found 8250 and 16450 uarts.  Not condusive to high speeds with external
MODEMs.  If it's an internal then you may have to play with the speed;
working your way down to one that will work or setting the MODEM before
setting kermit.
   Look at the SPORT.SCR file to see an example of this.

: 	My modem is Hayes Optima 9600.  BTW, things works fine at 9600bps, but
: I want to make it work at 384000bps in order to take full advantage of the 
: modem capabilities.
                            ^^^^^^
You may have to drop a zero off this.  That's a bit beyond most modems
capabilities.  ;-)

: 	Thanks in advance.

: RSK
: 06.21.96

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From: Baus <Baus@WolfeNet.Com>
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Subject: Check for call waiting?
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Anyone know how (or if it is possible) to check for call waiting on a 
phone line before sending the dialing string?

Thanks,

Steve

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From: robo@rumpelkammer.uni-mannheim.de (Robert Braeutigam)
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Hello everybody,

I want to use Kermit in a Dos-Box under Windows for Workgroups. Yes, I read
the notes about using ndis3pkt and pktmux, but none of them worked.
My Question is: Does anybody here have a running configuration where Kermit
works properly in the DOS Windows without complaining about a 
"unknown Hardware for Port" and so on... ?

Thanks a lot in advance. I do need a solution for this really urgently...

   Robert
-- 
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From: rkutai@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU (Raymond Steven Kutai)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: HELP:  random beeps at high speed connection
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 08:05:28 GMT
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In article <4qjms4$r9u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
   fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
>In article <4qiniu$s22@gaia.ns.utk.edu>,
>Raymond Steven Kutai <rkutai@utkux.utk.edu> wrote:
>: I am using KERMIT 3.14 to connect to my UNIX account from home.
>: Recently I swithced from using the HAYES.SCR to ULTRA144.SCR.  I 
managed
>: to get connection.  I noticed there's some improvement in speed.
>: Problem is I kept getting some random beeps, and ramdom characters 
on
>: the screen.  I read the .BWR and .UPD files included with the Kermit
>: dist. and I found out that the random beeps and characters are due 
to
>: the high speed.  Further, I need to use flow control.  Well I did 
'set
>: flow xon/xoff' and also tried 'set flow rcs/cts' but still getting 
the
>: beeps and random chars.  Is there anyway to solve this problem?
>:
>: My modem is Hayes Optima 9600.  BTW, things works fine at 9600bps, 
but I
>: want to make it work at 384000bps in order to take full advantage of 
the
>: modem capabilities.
>: 
>ULTRA144.SCR sets the speed to 38400 and sets Kermit's flow control to
>RTS/CTS and also sets the modem's flow control to RTS/CTS by giving it 
the
>command AT&K1&K3.  Therefore, assuming there are no imcompatibilities
>between the Ultra 14400 and the Optima 9600, everything is set up 
right.
>
>You didn't say what kind of computer you have, or what operating 
system,
>or what kind of UART (serial port controller).  Beeps indicate a UART
>overrun -- that is, a character arrived before the previous character 
had
>been read.
>
>This usually means (a) a slow computer, (b) an overloaded computer,
>(c) you are running Kermit under Windows 3.x, and/or (d) your PC has 
an
>unbuffered UART.
>
>The solutions are: (a) get a faster computer, (b) don't run so many 
other
>applications or TSRs at the same time as Kermit, (c) run Kermit under 
DOS
>instead of Windows, and/or (d) replace your unbuffered (8250 or 14550)
>UART with a buffered (16550A) UART.
>
>Or, as a last resort, since your computer can't keep up at 38400, use 
a
>lower speed, like 19200 or 9600 (as you are doing).
>
>- Frank
I have an IBM PS/2 30-286.  Recently, I upgraded the cpu to 486 with 
the
Make-it 286 to 486 from Improve Technologies.  I also noticed that I 
have
bunch of TSRs loaded when I posted the original article.  However, 
unloading
those TSRs doesn't help much, i.e. the beeps are still there.  BTW, I 
am 
running Kermit under DOS.  As far as the UART is concerned I am not 
sure about
how to recognize what type of UART it is.
   I guess if nothing else works then 19200 or 9600 would suffice for 
the 
moment.
   Thank you for the prompt reply.  I will post for further progress.

---
rsk
06.25.96

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From: bstrickl@thrunet.net (Robert J. Strickler)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: K95 wyse60 emultation soon?
Date: 25 Jun 1996 15:10:54 GMT
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We have a client that is currently using w3.1 and procomm with wyse60 
emulation, the accounting system has been modified to generally expect the 
wyse60 and it looks to be expensive to unmodify it to a more generic vt100 
expectation. They would like to move about 25 workstations to w95 and a 95 
terminal emulator. K95 looks like a great fit except that it needs this 
emulation. Any estimates on the availability?


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <4qovhu$f4u@blue.thrunet.net>,
Robert J. Strickler <rstrickler@thrunet.net> wrote:
: We have a client that is currently using w3.1 and procomm with wyse60 
: emulation, the accounting system has been modified to generally expect the 
: wyse60 and it looks to be expensive to unmodify it to a more generic vt100 
: expectation. They would like to move about 25 workstations to w95 and a 95 
: terminal emulator. K95 looks like a great fit except that it needs this 
: emulation. Any estimates on the availability?
: 
Real Soon Now.  Watch this space for announcements.

- Frank

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From: Jim Jablonski <jjablons@connix.com>
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Greetings,

I am working on a project that requires us to dial out to a vendor,
then send a text file that tells the remote site who we are, then 
the remote site sends us a text file.  I would like to automate this
process using C-kermit on a DEC Alpha 3600 running OpenVMS 6.1.

I have been able to get as far as C-kermit dialing and connecting to
the remote site.  I get hung up at the remote site login sequence.
I have been trying to use the INPUT and OUTPUT commands to accomplish
this.  The example in the book uses a single word (login:) after the
INPUT command.  The site I am logging into has for a login prompt.
"Enter logon id:".  My question is, can I use the INPUT command to 
process this prompt?  I have tried using quotes("") around the 
login prompt, experimented with different times from 5-35 sec. of
waiting for the prompt without success.

I start C-kermit with the -y command line qualifier and a setup file
as follows; Ckermit -y filename.set. The commands in Filename.set are;

set carrier off
set modem hayes
set line lta415
set speed 2400
set terminal bytesize 8
set flow none
dial 9,1xxxxxxxxxx
connect
input 15 Enter logon id:
output 10 my_login
input 15 Enter password:
output 10 my_password
^\C         ! I'm hoping this will get me back to my C-kermit to send 
send file.txt
recieve 

Am doing this right? Will the ^\C get me back to my machine?  Any 
suggestions will be appreciated.


                            TIA,
 
                            Jim
 


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In article <31CFFAFD.30BC@WolfeNet.Com>, Baus <Baus@WolfeNet.Com> says:

>Anyone know how (or if it is possible) to check for call waiting on a
>phone line before sending the dialing string?

>Thanks,

Steve, depends on the service provider you're using. For Bell Atlantic
       if you dial (by phone) *70 and hear two beeps and a dial tone,
       you have Call Waiting. To cancel it for a modem call, prepend
       the "Cancel Call Waiting" string, followed by a Comma, to the
       phone number. E.g., *70,123-4567

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From: Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com>
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Subject: Re: K95 and Netscape
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Brendan McEnaney wrote:
> 
> I've had no luck getting K95 to work properly as the default telnet
> for Netscape 2.2 (32bit). It fires up but won't accept keyboard input.
> 
> I've put "E:\K95\K95.EXE -c -j" in Netscape's
> Options/Preferences/Apps/Telnet field and copied the K95 telnet.exe to
> the Windows directory (renaming the Windows telnet.exe to
> oldtelnet.exe). I've also added E:\K95 to the DOS path. It works great
> with the MS Explorer (3.0b) but no luck with Netscape.
> 
> I'm so sure I'm overlooking something really obvious and have a major
> dope slap comming. Hmmmmm... what _could_ it be?
> 
> --
> 
> Brendan McEnaney
> mcenaney@world.std.com

FWIW: I'm successfully using K95 as a telnet app in Netscape 3.0.
I don't have any command line options and I did not move the TELNET.exe to
my Win95 directory.
I have  "D:\K95\TELNET.EXE" in Netscape's Options/Preferences/Apps/Telnet field.

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In article <4qodng$8i2@trumpet.uni-mannheim.de>, robo@rumpelkammer.uni-mannheim.de (Robert Braeutigam) writes:
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I want to use Kermit in a Dos-Box under Windows for Workgroups. Yes, I read
> the notes about using ndis3pkt and pktmux, but none of them worked.
> My Question is: Does anybody here have a running configuration where Kermit
> works properly in the DOS Windows without complaining about a 
> "unknown Hardware for Port" and so on... ?

	That error message says you are accessing the serial port, COMx,
and there isn't anything there which masquerades as a real serial port.
Recall that Windows itself usurps the serial port hardware and offers
a virtual set to Windows apps and to the DOS box.
	I happen to run WFW on my desktop. I use Novell's ODI drivers, plus
odipkt and winpkt for Windows stuff, with no difficulties. I do not run
any MS networking components.
	Without knowing what you have setup it's difficult to offer more
advice. Generally, however, the rule of "small is beautiful" applies here
too, so try having fewer things accessing serial ports in Windows and so
on. Check Windows itself on serial port setup.
	Joe D.

> 
> Thanks a lot in advance. I do need a solution for this really urgently...
> 
>    Robert
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Robert Braeutigam Hambacher Tal 94 64646 Heppenheim (Home of the apollos...) 
> noch Student der Informatik Fachhochschule fuer Technik und Gestaltung MA 
> e-mail: robo@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de oder robo@freddy.rz.fht-mannheim.de 
> URL   : http://rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de/~robo (under slight construction)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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In article <31D02AF4.1C7C@wwa.com>, Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com> wrote:
:FWIW: I'm successfully using K95 as a telnet app in Netscape 3.0.
:I don't have any command line options and I did not move the TELNET.exe to
:my Win95 directory.
:I have  "D:\K95\TELNET.EXE" in Netscape's Options/Preferences/Apps/Telnet field.

DOH! I'll be damned, that did it. I tried everything but that. I
pointed at the K95.pif file, the K95.exe file (both of these with and
without the recommended command line options) and the K95 telnet.exe
copy that I put in the Windows directory and none of that worked. This
worked. Duh. Thanks Jim. Guess that's what I get for R'n TFM. ;-)

Only problem with this is that the DOS box it pops open in initializes
as tiny every time and needs to be resized. At least it works. I can
live with this until the GUI comes out.

-- 
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <bkI0xY6wjJcN091yn@world.std.com>,
Brendan McEnaney <mcenaney@world.std.com> wrote:
: In article <31D02AF4.1C7C@wwa.com>, Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com> wrote:
: :FWIW: I'm successfully using K95 as a telnet app in Netscape 3.0.
: :I don't have any command line options and I did not move the TELNET.exe to
: :my Win95 directory.  I have
: : "D:\K95\TELNET.EXE" in Netscape's Options/Preferences/Apps/Telnet field.
: 
: DOH! I'll be damned, that did it. I tried everything but that. I
: pointed at the K95.pif file, the K95.exe file (both of these with and
: without the recommended command line options) and the K95 telnet.exe
: copy that I put in the Windows directory and none of that worked. This
: worked. Duh. Thanks Jim. Guess that's what I get for R'n TFM. ;-)
: 
Putting the Kermit TELNET.EXE between Netscape and K95.EXE *sometimes* takes
care of the problem that *sometimes* happens when starting K95.EXE directly
from Netscape (because of bugs in Windows 95 -- not NT -- regarding starting
of console apps from GUI apps), because now K95.EXE is being started from
another console app.  TELNET.EXE, itself a console app, is immune to the bug
because it does not *need* keyboard focus.  (Is this the kind of thing that
belongs in a manual? :-)

: Only problem with this is that the DOS box it pops open in initializes
: as tiny every time and needs to be resized. At least it works. I can
: live with this until the GUI comes out.
: 
Again, read the hints about making PIF files for DOS boxes -- it makes a
world of difference.

- Frank

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In article <4qp1q4$jgk@comet.connix.com>, Jim Jablonski <jjablons@connix.com> writes:
> Greetings,
> 
> I am working on a project that requires us to dial out to a vendor,
> then send a text file that tells the remote site who we are, then 
> the remote site sends us a text file.  I would like to automate this
> process using C-kermit on a DEC Alpha 3600 running OpenVMS 6.1.
> 
> I have been able to get as far as C-kermit dialing and connecting to
> the remote site.  I get hung up at the remote site login sequence.
> I have been trying to use the INPUT and OUTPUT commands to accomplish
> this.  The example in the book uses a single word (login:) after the
> INPUT command.  The site I am logging into has for a login prompt.
> "Enter logon id:".  My question is, can I use the INPUT command to 
> process this prompt?  I have tried using quotes("") around the 
> login prompt, experimented with different times from 5-35 sec. of
> waiting for the prompt without success.
> 
> I start C-kermit with the -y command line qualifier and a setup file
> as follows; Ckermit -y filename.set. The commands in Filename.set are;
> 
> set carrier off
> set modem hayes
> set line lta415
> set speed 2400
> set terminal bytesize 8
> set flow none
> dial 9,1xxxxxxxxxx
> connect
  ^^^^^^^--------- Noooooo. CONNECT puts you into terminal emulation mode
and the script does not work there, as explained in the Kermit documentation.
The script works at the Kermit prompt level, which is why you can use any
Kermit commands in the script.
	What's more, there is a brand new feature in the very latest Kermits
under development which permits a Kermit client to automatically recognize
a Kermit packet arriving while the client is in terminal emulation/Connect
mode, and to perform the file transfer as a short interlude to terminal
emulation. That's not available in a script, so you have to use SEND/GET/
RECEIVE etc in scripts.
	Joe D.

> input 15 Enter logon id:
> output 10 my_login
> input 15 Enter password:
> output 10 my_password
> ^\C         ! I'm hoping this will get me back to my C-kermit to send 
> send file.txt
> recieve 
> 
> Am doing this right? Will the ^\C get me back to my machine?  Any 
> suggestions will be appreciated.

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Hi all,

I'm trying to access a Unix based application through MSKermit 3.14 under
vt320 emulation. The app uses line-draw characters to draw boxes on the
screen, but the boxes keep showing up with lower-case letters instead of
line-draw chars. Kermit uses the Latin1 char set, DOS uses cp850 and
everything is set to 8 bits.

The application uses DEC SS2 as single-shift-out character, i.e., the top-line
of a box is sent as: 

	{0x9b}7;5H{0x8e}l{0x8e}q{0x8e}q{0x8e}q{0x8e}q{0x8e}q{0x8e}k

Kermit simply ignores the 0x8e's.  How do I tell kermit to process them
and put the appropriate line-draw char on the screen?


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In article <DtLJ4B.Kt7@echelon.nl>, Kees Hendrikse <kees@echelon.nl> wrote:
: I'm trying to access a Unix based application through MSKermit 3.14 under
: vt320 emulation. The app uses line-draw characters to draw boxes on the
: screen, but the boxes keep showing up with lower-case letters instead of
: line-draw chars. Kermit uses the Latin1 char set, DOS uses cp850 and
: everything is set to 8 bits.
: 
: The application uses DEC SS2 as single-shift-out character, i.e., the
: top-line of a box is sent as:
: 
:   {0x9b}7;5H{0x8e}l{0x8e}q{0x8e}q{0x8e}q{0x8e}q{0x8e}q{0x8e}k
: 
: Kermit simply ignores the 0x8e's.  How do I tell kermit to process them
: and put the appropriate line-draw char on the screen?
: 
SS2 is Single Shift 2.  It means: the next character value is to be
treated as a pointer into the terminal's G2 table.  The character after it
is an "l" or a "q" or a "k".  So "q", for example, whose ASCII value is
113 (decimal), would be translated into the 113th character of whatever
character set had previously been designated to G2.  If the DEC Special
Graphics character set had been designated to G2 by:

  ESC * 0

then SS2 followed by "q" should select a horizontal line box-drawing
character.

Evidently it does not do this in MS-DOS Kermit, so that's a bug that we
will have to fix.  The bug involves 8-bit SS2 only.  If you use SS2 in its
7-bit form:

  ESC N

everything works fine, so you might be able to work around the problem by
telling your application that you have a 7-bit connection, hopefully
coercing it to send C1 controls in their 7-bit form.  Also note that
locking shifts do work correctly, so using LS2 (ESC n) instead of SS2
produces the desired results:

  {0x9b}7;5H{0x1b}nlqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqk{0x0f}

Thanks for the report.

- Frank

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From: gossettf@email.uah.edu (Frank A. Gossett)
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Hello,

I'm trying to capture modem configurations to a specific file for 
later review in a script.  Currently I'm looping through the modem 
pool setting new configs. As part of the loop iteration, I would 
like to also "open append" a specific file (e.g. modcfg.tmp), have 
the modem display it's new configuration (which is spooled to the 
file), close the file (until the next iteration where it will
again be "open appended", modem config output captured to file, 
file closed...etc...).  

Is this possible?  Kermit seems to be able to capture just about
every other source of data to a file, this one isn't obvious to me.

Thanks in advance for the help?

Regards,

Frank Gossett
gossettf@email.uah.edu

P.S. I'm using K95 on a small Pentium.

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net>
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Robert J. Strickler (bstrickl@thrunet.net) wrote:
: We have a client that is currently using w3.1 and procomm with wyse60 
: emulation, the accounting system has been modified to generally expect the 
: wyse60 and it looks to be expensive to unmodify it to a more generic vt100 
: expectation. They would like to move about 25 workstations to w95 and a 95 
: terminal emulator. K95 looks like a great fit except that it needs this 
: emulation. Any estimates on the availability?

You don't mention what kind of connection you are using.
I used MSKermit under Win95 for dialup access for a while, until I got K95.
If you need TCP connectivity that would be a different story, but the serial
portion of MSK 3.14 worked fine.

-- 
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                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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In article <4qrqnm$a7b@info.uah.edu>,
Frank A. Gossett <gossettf@email.uah.edu> wrote:
: I'm trying to capture modem configurations to a specific file for 
: later review in a script.  Currently I'm looping through the modem 
: pool setting new configs. As part of the loop iteration, I would 
: like to also "open append" a specific file (e.g. modcfg.tmp), have 
: the modem display it's new configuration (which is spooled to the 
: file), close the file (until the next iteration where it will
: again be "open appended", modem config output captured to file, 
: file closed...etc...).  
: 
: Is this possible?  Kermit seems to be able to capture just about
: every other source of data to a file, this one isn't obvious to me.
: 
Sure, it's easy.  Your script program would:

 1. Make the connection to the terminal server, using INPUT and OUTPUT
    commands as described in "Using C-Kermit", chapter 13.

 2. INPUT the terminal server prompt.

 3. LOG SESSION name APPEND

 4. OUTPUT the command to show the configuration of the desired modem.

 5. Repeat steps 2-4 for each modem.

 6. CLOSE SESSION.

It wasn't clear to me if you wanted a once file for all modems, or a
separate file for each modem, but the latter is just a small variation.

- Frank

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In article <4qrsbc$mrm@samba.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold  <dold@rahul.net> wrote:
: Robert J. Strickler (bstrickl@thrunet.net) wrote:
: : We have a client that is currently using w3.1 and procomm with wyse60 
: : emulation, the accounting system has been modified to generally expect the 
: : wyse60 and it looks to be expensive to unmodify it to a more generic vt100 
: : expectation. They would like to move about 25 workstations to w95 and a 95 
: : terminal emulator. K95 looks like a great fit except that it needs this 
: : emulation. Any estimates on the availability?
: 
: You don't mention what kind of connection you are using.
: I used MSKermit under Win95 for dialup access for a while, until I got K95.
: If you need TCP connectivity that would be a different story, but the serial
: portion of MSK 3.14 worked fine.
: 
But MS-DOS Kermit does not include Wyse60 emulation, only Wyse50, which
is different.  Kermit 95 1.1.5 will emulate Wyse 30, 50, 60, and 370.

- Frank

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>>>>> "FdC" == Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> writes:

FdC> But MS-DOS Kermit does not include Wyse60 emulation, only Wyse50,
FdC> which is different.  Kermit 95 1.1.5 will emulate Wyse 30, 50,
FdC> 60, and 370.

Will this code be folded into C-Kermit?  If so, will it be in 5A(192)
or a later version?
-- 
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: K95 wyse60 emultation soon?
Date: 27 Jun 1996 14:24:07 GMT
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In article <a3k9wtbc39.fsf@rs6.tcs.tulane.edu>,
Jason F Mcbrayer <jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu> wrote:
: >>>>> "FdC" == Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> writes:
: FdC> But MS-DOS Kermit does not include Wyse60 emulation, only Wyse50,
: FdC> which is different.  Kermit 95 1.1.5 will emulate Wyse 30, 50,
: FdC> 60, and 370.
: 
: Will this code be folded into C-Kermit?  If so, will it be in 5A(192)
: or a later version?
:
It depends on the operating system.  C-Kermit for UNIX, VMS, etc, does
not emulate any kind of terminal.  OS/2 C-Kermit does include terminal
emulation and so it will include Wyse emulation in the next release, if
any (see the thread from a few weeks ago about the future of OS/2 C-Kermit).

- Frank

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From: gossettf@email.uah.edu (Frank A. Gossett)
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Hi,

I need to emulate a keyboard sequence from the Kermit Output stmt.
There are, from what I can tell, two characters generated from the
keyboard sequence

	 1. [ctrl-shift-6]	// the "^" char preceded by
				// ......a scan code or 
				// something? Can this be emulated
				// from an Output stmt?

	and

	2. x			// I think I can handle this one.

This is used to break out of a telnet connection to a modem
that is connected to a Cisco 2511 Access Server. After the sequence 
is issued, the session is in the server command mode where I may 
then disconnect from the server and reestablish another telnet 
connection to the next modem in the series (and get/set it's config).
It is a little awkward going through the access server to break
the modem connection (e.g. telnet ip_address port#) but not
as bad as it could be I suppose (beats manually entering/retrieving
the configs).

Again...thanks in advance for your assistance.

Frank Gossett
University of Alabama in Huntsville


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From: mrdorn@wavefront.com (Mike Dorn)
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In article <4qh2ie$f7r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 
says...
>
>In article <31CB9ADB.432C@soback.kornet.nm.kr>,
>Dong G. Kim <kps01@soback.kornet.nm.kr> wrote:
>: We are using Data General MV/60000 HA-1 and its OS is AOS/VS II.
>: And we use C-Kermit and MS-Kermit protocol for file transfer between two 
>: systems. It is fairly well in operation but too slow to send or receive 
>: a large file. Approximately, it give us 300cps performance with 28.8Kbps 
>: modem. I thought, there is no solution to improve the file transfer 
>: speed.
>: Recentry, I saw the FAQ list about Kermit. And I get to know Kermit is 
>: not a low performance file transfer protocol.
>: It said that we can tune up the Kermit to improve the speed.
>: Especially, long packet size and multiple windows, etc.
>: 
>: And I got the current version of C-Kermit and MS-Kermit now.
>: C-Kermit 5A(190) and MS-Kermit 3.14 repectively.
>: Then I tested using them.
>: 
>: From AOS/VS to MS-DOS(download), it was great!! More than 4 or 5 times 
>: faster than before. No retries at all. I had excited.
>: 
>: But, from MS-DOS to AOS/VS(upload), I failed every times. There were too 
>: many retries. Sometimes, program aborted caused by retries. Sometimes, 
>: file has been trnasferred to PC with about 100 times retries.
>: You can imagine, how performance it was!
>: But, I don't know why. 
>: Please help to solve this problem.
>: 
>: The only changed parameters by me are as follows;  
>: 
>: set receive packet-length 2000
>: set block 3
>: set wind 4
>:
>It sounds like a lack of flow control.  The PC is sending bytes faster
>than the MV system can read them, and so some of the incoming bytes are
>lost before Kermit even gets a chance to read them.
>
>The same thing happens, by the way, on a Telnet connection.  AOS/VS
>C-Kermit can send files at high speed using large packet and Window sizes,
>but it can not receive them that way.
>
>So I think we have a lack of adequate flow control combined with a
>terminal driver that is not designed to receive large amounts of input
>(regardless of the communication method).
>
>The best solution is to enable a good method of flow control.  Start
>Kermit this way:
>
>  ) char/on/hifc/hofc
>  ) x kermit
>  C-Kermit> set flow keep
>
>This tells AOS/VS to enable RTS/CTS flow control on your login port, and
>"set flow keep" tells Kermit not to try to change the flow control on the
>port.  Of course RTS/CTS must also be enabled on the modem that is
>connected to the port.
>
>If that doesn't work, then try using Xon/Xoff software flow control:
>
>  ) char/on/ifc/ofc
>  ) x kermit
>  C-Kermit> set flow xon/xoff
>
>In this case you must enable LOCAL Xon/Xoff flow control in the modem.
>
>If you are still having trouble, then try using a smaller packet size
>and/or window size when sending to AOS/VS.  Remember, the rule is:
>
>  For any given connection, there is an optimum combination
>  of packet and window size.
>
>If you make it smaller, the transfer will go unnecessarily slow.  If you
>make it bigger there will be errors.  The nice thing about Kermit is that
>it has commands to let you control every aspect of its operation and
>configure optimally for every connection.
>
>By the way, most of the above is covered in the manual, "Using C-Kermit",
>in the file transfer section and in the AOS/VS appendix.
>
>Finally, you might want to look at the new C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta test,
>which is available for AOS/VS as well as UNIX and VMS.  It is in the
>kermit/test directory tree on kermit.columbia.edu.
>
>- Frank

Remember also that DG's serial I/O does not work the same way it does on a PC 
or Unix box: reads & writes are done as requests that are submitted at i/o bus 
speeds to an external intelligent preprocessor (IAC,ITC, etc) which actually 
performs the serial i/o at whatever baud rate, using its own separate 
resources & ring buffers.  The off-loaded processor performs all character 
echo, cursor positioning, simple editing and delimiter detection without help 
from the main CPU.  This works fine when sending--if the progam (Kermit) 
requests a transmit of a large packet of data, the os will simply split it 
into pieces to send to the IAC, and send the next piece as soon as one piece 
has made it into the ring buffer.  When receiving, however, you get a totally 
different story.  Depending on how the Kermit program running on the DG is 
written, it may be completely impossible for you to receive a packet larger 
than the input ring buffer size (usually 128 bytes, unless you sysgened that 
IAC for a different size buffer).  Suggest you use as large a size as 
practical for DG->PC transmission, keep it under 128 for PC->DG.  If your 
need for Kermit xfers are limited to a few specific serial ports, you can 
re-gen that particular device to give most of the ring buffer space to the one 
port, and keep the packet size below that value.  (See manuals or release 
notice for your current rev of VSII for max buffer memory on your specific 
serial device.)

-Good luck!
----------------------------------------------------------------
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Little Canada, Minnesota
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From: William Mills <mills@genmagic.com>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Zmodem and Kermit.
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:03:49 -0700
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I have C-Kermit 5A(190) and a new version of the rz/sz whic I got from ohmen.com.

I do the following:

set modem hayes
set line /dev/tty00
set baud 9600
dial ########
connect

(Go through the login stuff by hand and start a ZMODEM send from THAT end, I am getting the 
files.)

^\c
!sz -L1024 -b      
                 This results in "/dev/ttypa permission denied"
!sz -L1024 -b < /dev/tty00 > /dev/tty00           
                 This results in "/dev/ttypa permission denied"


Am I doing something wrong?

TIA
-bill

SAM, Chi-Kin wrote:
> 
> William Mills wrote:
> >
> > It used to be possible when rz was a friendlier package to
...snip...
> 
> The SZRZ can be called within C-kermit in Sun OS, in fact I have the following line in
> my .kermrc:
> 
> define autosz1 apc rz1, !sz -L1024 -b \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4
> 
> In fact, this macro also initial the auto receive of z-modem transfer by my MS-kermit,
> so if you would want to go so complicated, you can initial sz tranfer, after enter
> C-kermit by:
> 
> !sz <filename>
> 
> Note: above method need the exist of the sz/rz program.
> 
> Cheers,
>    --SAM
> --

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From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse)
Subject: Re: linedraw chars in vt320 emulation
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In <4qrf91$mdv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Frank da Cruz writes:

> Evidently it does not do this in MS-DOS Kermit, so that's a bug that we
> will have to fix.  The bug involves 8-bit SS2 only.  If you use SS2 in its
> 7-bit form:
> 
>   ESC N
> 
> everything works fine, so you might be able to work around the problem by
> telling your application that you have a 7-bit connection, hopefully
> coercing it to send C1 controls in their 7-bit form.  

We don't have any control over the application, we simply telnet to it
over a private network. I tried several things to make it send 7-bit
controls, but it insists on using SS2 to draw the boxes. It doesn't seem
to use either terminfo or termcap but it recognizes both vt220 and vt220-8
as terminal type. Of course, vt220 uses 8-bit controls as well and vt220-7
is not defined :-(.

Would it work to use the "translate input" mechanism to translate SS2 into
SS1 after storing DEC graphics into G1 with "set term char dec-spec g1"?

regards,
-- 
Kees Hendrikse                               | email:     kees@echelon.nl
                                             |
ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 48 36 585
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From: pim@chagall.cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen)
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I am trying to get Kermit-95 to dial out through a Cisco 2511 router,
using reverse telnet.

telnetting to the router on port [2000+line number] and dialling out from
there works fine for interactive sessions. Port [6000+line number] works
fine too, but on both these port numbers, ZMODEM transfers fail.
Kermit says the packets are too long and CRC errors occur on every packet.

Only on port [4000+line number], ZMODEM transfers succeed. But on this
port, interactive sessions are messy. I can get reasonable behaviour
using the following Kermit-95 options:

	SET TELNET ECHO                     REMOTE
	SET TELNET BINARY-MODE              REQUESTED
	SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE BINARY-MODE RAW
	SET TERMINAL NEWLINE-MODE           OFF

I also tried

	telnet transparent

on the Cisco line. But the problem remains that the remote application
sees a CR/NL combination, whenever RETURN is pressed.

Explanation of Cisco port numbers:

	port 2000: telnet ascii
	port 4000: raw TCP
	port 6000: telnet binary

Incoming calls work just fine using the "terminal download" EXEC command
before starting the telnet connection.

-- 
E-mail : Pim Zandbergen <pim@cti-software.nl>
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In article <4quui3$nig@chagall.cti-software.nl>,
Pim Zandbergen <pim@chagall.cti-software.nl> wrote:
: I am trying to get Kermit-95 to dial out through a Cisco 2511 router,
: using reverse telnet.
: 
: telnetting to the router on port [2000+line number] and dialling out from
: there works fine for interactive sessions. Port [6000+line number] works
: fine too, but on both these port numbers, ZMODEM transfers fail.
: Kermit says the packets are too long and CRC errors occur on every packet.
: 
: Only on port [4000+line number], ZMODEM transfers succeed. But on this
: port, interactive sessions are messy. I can get reasonable behaviour
: using the following Kermit-95 options:
: 
: 	SET TELNET ECHO                     REMOTE
: 	SET TELNET BINARY-MODE              REQUESTED
: 	SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE BINARY-MODE RAW
: 	SET TERMINAL NEWLINE-MODE           OFF
: 
: I also tried
: 
: 	telnet transparent
: 
: on the Cisco line. But the problem remains that the remote application
: sees a CR/NL combination, whenever RETURN is pressed.
: 
: Explanation of Cisco port numbers:
: 
: 	port 2000: telnet ascii
: 	port 4000: raw TCP
: 	port 6000: telnet binary
: 
: Incoming calls work just fine using the "terminal download" EXEC command
: before starting the telnet connection.
: 
So you can have nice terminal sessions but Zmodem fails, or you can have
Zmodem working OK but terminal sessions are fractured.  But of course, Kermit
transfers work in all cases, right?  But you need to use Zmodem because the
thing you are calling from the Cisco does not support Kermit?  The real
solution is to have Kermit installed everywhere -- we designed it to work in
situations like this, that's what it's for.

Obviously Kermit 95 can't control how the Cisco works.  It can initiate the
needed Telnet negotiations -- as you have commanded it to do -- but that does
not guarantee that the Cisco will agree, or even that if it does agree, it
will behave properly.

Isn't there are way to use port 2000 / telnet ascii with the "terminal
download" setting?

- Frank

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From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
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Hi, is it possible to log only the informational messages in a C-Kermit 
session (e.g. connection/disconnection/error messages) without doing a full
session or debug log?

The kind of detail given below is a little verbose when what one really wants
to record is the disconnection reason:

hupok xitwarn=0
hupok network=1
hupok ttyfd=-1
doexit exitstat=0
doexit what=-1
ttclos ttyfd=-1
conres cgmf=1
conres isatty ok
conres restoring ioctl
C-Kermit EXIT status=0

-- 
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              arthur@dircsa.org.au
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: logging errors
Date: 28 Jun 1996 15:11:46 GMT
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In article <4qlqi2$bqt@gateway.dircsa.org.au>,
Arthur Marsh <arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au> wrote:
: Hi, is it possible to log only the informational messages in a C-Kermit 
: session (e.g. connection/disconnection/error messages) without doing a 
: full session or debug log?
: 
: The kind of detail given below is a little verbose when what one really 
: wants to record is the disconnection reason:
: 
: C-Kermit EXIT status=0
: 
There is presently no fine-grained control over the debug log.  It's one
of the many thousands of items on our list of things to do.  If somebody
would like to add a new log type -- "LOG CONNECTIONS" -- the source code
is out there, go to town :-)

- Frank

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From: Baus <Baus@WolfeNet.Com>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Check for call waiting?
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:01:13 -0700
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H. D. Knoble wrote:
> 
> In article <31CFFAFD.30BC@WolfeNet.Com>, Baus <Baus@WolfeNet.Com> says:
> 
> >Anyone know how (or if it is possible) to check for call waiting on a
> >phone line before sending the dialing string?
> 
> >Thanks,
> 
> Steve, depends on the service provider you're using. For Bell Atlantic
>        if you dial (by phone) *70 and hear two beeps and a dial tone,
>        you have Call Waiting. To cancel it for a modem call, prepend
>        the "Cancel Call Waiting" string, followed by a Comma, to the
>        phone number. E.g., *70,123-4567Problem is that I want the computer to figure out if there is call 
waiting and then if so use the correct dialing string.  Want to keep the 
end user out of the loop if possible.

Thanks,
Steve

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From: SAM@columbia.edu, Chi-Kin@columbia.edu
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In article <4qodng$8i2@trumpet.uni-mannheim.de>, robo@rumpelkammer.uni-mannheim.de says...
>
>Hello everybody,
>
>I want to use Kermit in a Dos-Box under Windows for Workgroups. Yes, I read
>the notes about using ndis3pkt and pktmux, but none of them worked.
>My Question is: Does anybody here have a running configuration where Kermit
>works properly in the DOS Windows without complaining about a 
>"unknown Hardware for Port" and so on... ?
>
>Thanks a lot in advance. I do need a solution for this really urgently...
>
>   Robert
>-- 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Robert Braeutigam Hambacher Tal 94 64646 Heppenheim (Home of the apollos...) 
>noch Student der Informatik Fachhochschule fuer Technik und Gestaltung MA 
>e-mail: robo@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de oder robo@freddy.rz.fht-mannheim.de 
>URL   : http://rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de/~robo (under slight construction)
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am costantly running MSkermit in a dos box under Windows for Workgroup 3.11,
I have script auotmatic login to access my internet shell account with DTR
speed at at least 57600bps without any problem. BTW, my pc is running standalone
without any networking stuff.

Cheers,
  --SAM

 

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From: SAM@columbia.edu, Chi-Kin@columbia.edu
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Subject: Re: Zmodem and Kermit.
Date: 28 Jun 1996 06:51:11 -0700
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In article <31D2DB15.660F@genmagic.com>, William says...
>
>I have C-Kermit 5A(190) and a new version of the rz/sz whic I got from ohmen.com.
>
>I do the following:
>
>set modem hayes
>set line /dev/tty00
>set baud 9600
>dial ########
>connect
>
>(Go through the login stuff by hand and start a ZMODEM send from THAT end, I am getting the 
>files.)
>
>^\c
>!sz -L1024 -b      
>                 This results in "/dev/ttypa permission denied"
>!sz -L1024 -b < /dev/tty00 > /dev/tty00           
>                 This results in "/dev/ttypa permission denied"
>
>
>Am I doing something wrong?
>
>TIA
>-bill
>
>SAM, Chi-Kin wrote:
>> 
>> William Mills wrote:
>> >
>> > It used to be possible when rz was a friendlier package to
>...snip...
>> 
>> The SZRZ can be called within C-kermit in Sun OS, in fact I have the following line in
>> my .kermrc:
>> 
>> define autosz1 apc rz1, !sz -L1024 -b \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4
>> 
>> In fact, this macro also initial the auto receive of z-modem transfer by my MS-kermit,
>> so if you would want to go so complicated, you can initial sz tranfer, after enter
>> C-kermit by:
>> 
>> !sz <filename>
>> 
>> Note: above method need the exist of the sz/rz program.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>>    --SAM
>> --

Oh, you need to put the filename in the sz command line, suppose you want to
send a binary file called aa-prog.exe, then the format should be as follow:

!sz -b aa-prog.exe

-b for binary transfer

If you line condition is very clean, than you may try to force long packet
in following way:

!sz -L1024 -b aa-prog.exe

If you don't put filename in the sz command line which I believe the sz
would for the terminal port as a file and cause the permission denied
fault.

BTW, the filename can be a group of files:

!sz -b *.exe



Cheers,
   --SAM

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From: William Mills <mills@genmagic.com>
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Subject: Z-Modem -- compatible version for HPUX 9.3
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Where can I find a version of Z-modem that DOES work with C-Kermit?  I 
have both the Kermit 190 and 192 versions compiled.

Someone must know the answer to this.


Thanks.

-bill

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <31D41CCC.45F9@genmagic.com>,
William Mills  <mills@genmagic.com> wrote:
: Where can I find a version of Z-modem that DOES work with C-Kermit?  I 
: have both the Kermit 190 and 192 versions compiled.
: Someone must know the answer to this.
: 
Here is the definitive answer.  You have to go to Omen Technology and
request a version of their Zmodem software that works over standard input
and output, and therefore can be redirected.  The versions that are
floating around on the net are, in general, not redirectable.  In any
case, if you need to use Zmodem protocol, then please do its inventor,
Chuck Forsberg, the courtesy of obtaining up-to-date implementations of it
from his company (Omen), rather than excavating 10-year-old versions and
hacking them up to be redirectable (this comment is not directed at anyone
in particular, but rather towards a trend that has been evident on the net
for some years).  This way, you have an up-to-date and supported version
of the software, and the people who make it get some business so they can
stay in business.  Everybody wins.  Makes sense, right?

Send inquiries to Omen Technology by email to sales@omen.com.

- Frank

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In article <4r0oo7$acp@doc.zippo.com>, SAM, Chi-Kin writes:
> In article <4qodng$8i2@trumpet.uni-mannheim.de>, robo@rumpelkammer.uni-mannheim.de says...
>>
>>Hello everybody,
>>
>>I want to use Kermit in a Dos-Box under Windows for Workgroups. Yes, I read
>>the notes about using ndis3pkt and pktmux, but none of them worked.
>>My Question is: Does anybody here have a running configuration where Kermit
>>works properly in the DOS Windows without complaining about a 
>>"unknown Hardware for Port" and so on... ?
>>
>>Thanks a lot in advance. I do need a solution for this really urgently...
>>
>>   Robert
>>-- 
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Robert Braeutigam Hambacher Tal 94 64646 Heppenheim (Home of the apollos...) 
>>noch Student der Informatik Fachhochschule fuer Technik und Gestaltung MA 
>>e-mail: robo@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de oder robo@freddy.rz.fht-mannheim.de 
>>URL   : http://rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de/~robo (under slight construction)
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> I am costantly running MSkermit in a dos box under Windows for Workgroup 3.11,
> I have script auotmatic login to access my internet shell account with DTR
> speed at at least 57600bps without any problem. BTW, my pc is running standalone
> without any networking stuff.
---------
	If you are using Microsoft's NDIS v2 (16-bit) board handler then
please refer to the dis_pkt9 shim material shipped with the MS-DOS Kermit
kit. It's also available separately as file dis_pkt9.zip in directory
drivers on netlab2.usu.edu. With that .zip file is text file WFW.TXT which
explains how to configure things.
	If you are using Novell's ODI board handler then apply odipkt and
winpkt on the top. Instructions included with MS-DOS Kermit kit.
	Please realize that trying to run two TCP/IP stacks at the same time
over the same board is basically insecure at best. We don't recommend it nor 
do we support it.
	And a note for readers: please include sufficient context to help
us give meaningful answers. If you are using MSK then over which comms pathway
is a critical piece of information for us to know.
	Joe D.

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From: jejones@microware.com (James Jones)
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In article <4r1bnj$emm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>In article <31D41CCC.45F9@genmagic.com>,
>William Mills  <mills@genmagic.com> wrote:
>: Where can I find a version of Z-modem that DOES work with C-Kermit?  I 
>: have both the Kermit 190 and 192 versions compiled.
>: Someone must know the answer to this.
>: 
>Here is the definitive answer.  You have to go to Omen Technology and
>request a version of their Zmodem software that works over standard input
>and output, and therefore can be redirected....

An alternative answer might be to buy a copy of Tim Kientzle's *The Working
Programmer's Guide to Serial Protocols* (Coriolis Group, 1995), which includes
a floppy with sources for various protocols, one of which is zmodem.  One
should note that said source code is *not* freely copyable, but the terms
indicated in the book seem to me personally very reasonable.

IMHO the book is well worth the price for the text, much less the floppy.

	James Jones

Opinions herein are those of the author, and not necessarily those of any
organization.

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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:

: Here is the definitive answer.  You have to go to Omen Technology and
: request a version of their Zmodem software that works over standard input
: and output, and therefore can be redirected.  The versions that are

Frank, I thought that was exactly the point.
The 1988 version of szrz, that I use, is public domain, and uses stdin and
stdout, making it redirectable.
The only newer versions I have seen specifically use /dev/tty (If I recall
correctly), and comments near that point indicate that a hack to make it
redirectable is a violation of copyright.
I have not pursued a newer version of ZModem from Chuck, because I thought
he has made it clear in this group (and others) that the current usage of
Unix-ZModem is only to talk to registered PC ZModem products.
Any other usage, including Unix-to-Unix, is not allowed.

Or do you already know that the "request" cited above will be denied?

I have the 1988, Public Domain szrz source sitting on
ftp.rahul.net:pub/dold/szrz.zip

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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I wrote file send and receive programs for the 8051 microcontroller using the
kermit protocol. They can be found on Columbia's kermit ftp site or my 
web server at http://sleepy.anest.ufl.edu/~glp/8051.html. They are separate
programs due to the limited memory of the 8051 (64k rom & 64k ram) I use
them to download wav files for analysis. 

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From: vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA)
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}> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
}> Message-ID: <4r0oo7$acp@doc.zippo.com>
}> I --  am costantly running MSkermit in a dos box under Windows for Workgroup
}> I 3.11, have script auotmatic login to access my internet shell account with

So do I - with one risk, MS-Schedule+ pulls me back into
Windows for Reminders and then locks up. So I use it
mostly from DOS.

        Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier
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From: SAM@columbia.edu, Chi-Kin@columbia.edu
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In article <1996Jun28.210616.82182@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu says...
>
>In article <4r0oo7$acp@doc.zippo.com>, SAM, Chi-Kin writes:
>> In article <4qodng$8i2@trumpet.uni-mannheim.de>, robo@rumpelkammer.uni-mannheim.de says...
>>>
>>>Hello everybody,
>>>
>>>I want to use Kermit in a Dos-Box under Windows for Workgroups. Yes, I read
>>>the notes about using ndis3pkt and pktmux, but none of them worked.
>>>My Question is: Does anybody here have a running configuration where Kermit
>>>works properly in the DOS Windows without complaining about a 
>>>"unknown Hardware for Port" and so on... ?
>>>
>>>Thanks a lot in advance. I do need a solution for this really urgently...
>>>
>>>   Robert
>>>-- 
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Robert Braeutigam Hambacher Tal 94 64646 Heppenheim (Home of the apollos...) 
>>>noch Student der Informatik Fachhochschule fuer Technik und Gestaltung MA 
>>>e-mail: robo@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de oder robo@freddy.rz.fht-mannheim.de 
>>>URL   : http://rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de/~robo (under slight construction)
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> I am costantly running MSkermit in a dos box under Windows for Workgroup 3.11,
>> I have script auotmatic login to access my internet shell account with DTR
>> speed at at least 57600bps without any problem. BTW, my pc is running standalone
>> without any networking stuff.
>---------
>	If you are using Microsoft's NDIS v2 (16-bit) board handler then
>please refer to the dis_pkt9 shim material shipped with the MS-DOS Kermit
>kit. It's also available separately as file dis_pkt9.zip in directory
>drivers on netlab2.usu.edu. With that .zip file is text file WFW.TXT which
>explains how to configure things.
>	If you are using Novell's ODI board handler then apply odipkt and
>winpkt on the top. Instructions included with MS-DOS Kermit kit.
>	Please realize that trying to run two TCP/IP stacks at the same time
>over the same board is basically insecure at best. We don't recommend it nor 
>do we support it.
>	And a note for readers: please include sufficient context to help
>us give meaningful answers. If you are using MSK then over which comms pathway
>is a critical piece of information for us to know.
>	Joe D.

As a small experience, I was able to load the SLIP packet driver and connected
to the internet CISCO router, then load the WINPKT and WFW3.11. Open two telnet
sessions, each session connected to one of my shell accounts in a dos box and 
running for half hour without any difficult. (The DTR rate was at 57600bps)

  --SAM
 

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <4r4i14$kms@samba.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold  <dold@rahul.net> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: 
: : Here is the definitive answer.  You have to go to Omen Technology and
: : request a version of their Zmodem software that works over standard input
: : and output, and therefore can be redirected.  The versions that are
: 
: Frank, I thought that was exactly the point.
: The 1988 version of szrz, that I use, is public domain, and uses stdin and
: stdout, making it redirectable.
: The only newer versions I have seen specifically use /dev/tty (If I recall
: correctly), and comments near that point indicate that a hack to make it
: redirectable is a violation of copyright.
: I have not pursued a newer version of ZModem from Chuck, because I thought
: he has made it clear in this group (and others) that the current usage of
: Unix-ZModem is only to talk to registered PC ZModem products.
: Any other usage, including Unix-to-Unix, is not allowed.
: 
I can't claim to speak for Chuck.  Anybody who wants to know anything about
Zmodem should go to the definitive source.  My personal opinion is that
Chuck made a significant contribution to the online culture of the 1980s and
90s and beyond: he invented a protocol, and wrote software, that is used by
millions.  Now he has a company whose aim, at least in part, is continued
development and support of that protocol and software.  Some people think
this a bad thing, because they don't want to pay for what they used to get
for free.  I don't think it's so bad -- what would you rather have him do,
work at a bank?  One of the basic principles that makes the world go 'round
is that people are paid to work.

I asked Chuck about using Zmodem with Kermit.  He said (and I paraphrase):

 1. The public domain rz/sz is about a decade old, but Omen still supports
    it via their 900 number, 1-900-555-7836.

 2. Rz/sz 3.xx are designed for dial-in use only.

 3. Current versions of the Omen product Professional-YAM can be called from
    other programs to perform file transfers with ZMODEM-90(Tm) and other
    protocols in either dial-out or dial-in applications.

In other words, Omen *does* have a Zmodem product that can be called from
Kermit, so I think the right thing for those who want to have Zmodem
transfers on Kermit connections would be to license up-to-date supported
Zmodem software from its original maker.

- Frank

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In article <4r4lmq$gbr@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu>,
Gregory Pugh <GLP@sleepy> wrote:
: 
: I wrote file send and receive programs for the 8051 microcontroller using
: the kermit protocol. They can be found on Columbia's kermit ftp site or my
: web server at http://sleepy.anest.ufl.edu/~glp/8051.html. They are
: separate programs due to the limited memory of the 8051 (64k rom & 64k
: ram) I use them to download wav files for analysis.
:
Thanks, Greg!  The files are on kermit.columbia.edu in the directory
kermit/c.  Their names all start with "i51", so you can ftp them as i51*.*.

- Frank

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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: Here is the definitive answer.  You have to go to Omen Technology and
: request a version of their Zmodem software that works over standard input
: and output, and therefore can be redirected.  The versions that are

Clarence Dold  <dold@rahul.net> wrote:
: : Frank, I thought that was exactly the point.
: : The 1988 version of szrz, that I use, is public domain, and uses stdin and
: : stdout, making it redirectable.

: I can't claim to speak for Chuck.  Anybody who wants to know anything about
: Zmodem should go to the definitive source.  My personal opinion is that
: Chuck made a significant contribution to the online culture of the 1980s and

Oops.  Two apologies on my part, in the same reply.
First, I noted that the 1988 version of the source was online at rahul.net.
That was the 1994 version, which I have since removed.
I do use the 1988 version, rather than hacking the 1994 version, because I
respect Chuck's decision to go commercial.

The other is that I misunderstand Chuck's current intentions.
I prowled his web page last night, after my post.  I didn't see anything
implying that szrz was available for use on a Unix machine to talk to
anything other than the PC version of Chuck's products.
I assume you have better knowledge than I do from reading the public posts
by you and him, and my apparent misreading of his current web page.

Because I have, and continue, to interpret Chuck's intentions the way I
do, I don't want to buy current product from him.  Therefore I don't
use it.  I use the 1988 version.  The source for this seems to have
disappeared from the repositories where it used to reside.  I
mistakenly put the 1994 version of source where I thought the 1988
version was, so I'll have to reload from an old tape, before the tape
becomes brittle ;-)

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In article <4qlqi2$bqt@gateway.dircsa.org.au>,
: Arthur Marsh <arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au> wrote:
: : Hi, is it possible to log only the informational messages in a C-Kermit 
: : session (e.g. connection/disconnection/error messages) without doing a 
: : full session or debug log?
: : 
: : The kind of detail given below is a little verbose when what one really 
: : wants to record is the disconnection reason:
: : 
: : C-Kermit EXIT status=0
: : 
: There is presently no fine-grained control over the debug log.  It's one
: of the many thousands of items on our list of things to do.  If somebody
: would like to add a new log type -- "LOG CONNECTIONS" -- the source code
: is out there, go to town :-)

For anyone actually considering the task, the reason I wanted to do this was
to find out why a telnet connection being run as part of a script dropped out,
without having to monitor all the i/o.

-- 
Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 
              arthur@dircsa.org.au
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We have a problem using local printing in MS-DOS kermit.

We are using standard Vt100 printer escape sequence to direct output
from PC screen directly to printer port. On which is attached a small
slip printer. It has DTR connected. The Pc is communicating with a
UNIX host machine. The objective is to print a file from the host
machine onto the local printer.

The problem : For large files sent,  the printed output contains
corrupted information. (using the PC at the DOS prompt  -   copy <text
file> >com1  it seems to print the same amount of text to the printer
ok without corruption. However using the Print command does lead to
corruption)

Is there any way in the Kermit set commands to prevent this problem?? 
---- Phil



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <836224302.23211.0@specialist.co.uk>,
Mark Scott <mark.scott@specialist.co.uk> wrote:
: We have a problem using local printing in MS-DOS kermit.
: 
: We are using standard Vt100 printer escape sequence to direct output
: from PC screen directly to printer port. On which is attached a small
: slip printer. It has DTR connected. The Pc is communicating with a
: UNIX host machine. The objective is to print a file from the host
: machine onto the local printer.
: 
What is a "slip printer"?  You say "printer port" but then you say "DTR".
The printer port is a parallel port.  Parallel ports don't have DTR.

: The problem : For large files sent,  the printed output contains
: corrupted information. (using the PC at the DOS prompt  -   copy <text
: file> >com1  it seems to print the same amount of text to the printer
: ok without corruption. However using the Print command does lead to
: corruption)
: 
It sounds like your printer is attached to a serial port.  Quoting from the
KERMIT.BWR file from your MS-DOS Kermit diskette:

"Serial printers are not well supported by DOS, and since Kermit does all its
printing through DOS, Kermit's printing features might not work well with
serial printers.  To use a serial printer effectively, you must have a driver
for it that takes care of flow control, such as UTILS\XONXOFF.COM."

Here is UTILS\XONXOFF.HLP:

FILE XONXOFF.HLP          SERIAL PRINTER DRIVER                 September 1991

XONXOFF.COM is a tiny public domain serial printer driver for MS-DOS computers,
written by Frank Whaley in 1989 and found by Joe Doupnik in the mirror/printer
directory on wuarchive.wustl.edu.

MS-DOS allows you to define a COM port as a printer device using the MODE
command, for use with a serial printer, for example:

  MODE COM1:9600,N,8,1,P
  MODE LPT1:=COM1

However, MS-DOS does not provide flow control between itself and a serial
printer.  MS-DOS Kermit uses standard DOS calls for printer operations (print
screen, transparent print, autoprint, etc).  A common complaint is that these
print operations do not work well with serial printers -- characters are lost
or garbled, etc.

XONXOFF.COM provides software (Xon/Xoff) flow control for serial printers.  It
works only for COM1 only.  It installs itself as a terminate-and-stay-resident
(TSR) program, intercepts DOS interrupt 17H, leaves the port baud rate and
other parameters as found (so you must set them with the MODE command), and
contains no provisions for de-installation.

Run it from your AUTOEXEC.BAT file after giving the necessary MODE commands,
for example:

  MODE COM1:9600,N,8,1,P
  MODE LPT1:=COM1
  C:\KERMIT\UTILS\XONXOFF

(End of XONXOFF.HLP)

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test only

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Steve Smith
steves@scg.co.uk
                                      


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Local Printing using MS-DOS Kermit
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In article <836224302.23211.0@specialist.co.uk>, mark.scott@specialist.co.uk (Mark Scott) writes:
> We have a problem using local printing in MS-DOS kermit.
> 
> We are using standard Vt100 printer escape sequence to direct output
> from PC screen directly to printer port. On which is attached a small
> slip printer. It has DTR connected. The Pc is communicating with a
> UNIX host machine. The objective is to print a file from the host
> machine onto the local printer.
> 
> The problem : For large files sent,  the printed output contains
> corrupted information. (using the PC at the DOS prompt  -   copy <text
> file> >com1  it seems to print the same amount of text to the printer
> ok without corruption. However using the Print command does lead to
> corruption)
> 
> Is there any way in the Kermit set commands to prevent this problem?? 
> ---- Phil
-------------
	MS-DOS Kermit goes to great pains to ensure every byte to be printed
gets to DOS ok. But DOS is handling matters close to the printer. Thus I
suggest you have a careful look at the DOS/Printer part of things, 
particularly flow control (you didn't say whether it's a serial or parallel
port).
	There is another aspect worth thinking about. Printing via terminal
emualtion is totally unguarded. If bytes are lost in transit because the
client machine has interrupts suspended by some non-Kermit process then
at best you get a Control-G replacement byte (if using real serial ports).
A much better tactic is to transfer the file using the Kermit file transfer
protocol, with destination of PRN. That is supposing the remote host side
is configurable to do so.
	And, the "unguarding" comment can be extended to say lack of adequate
flow control along the remote host to Kermit path can lead to lost bytes too
(because DOS is in charge while a buffer is dumped from Kermit to DOS for
printing, and DOS is not very polite about letting the machine run).
	Joe D.

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From: William Mills <mills@genmagic.com>
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Subject: Re: Z-Modem -- compatible version for HPUX 9.3
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I completely understand Omen's viewpoint on software that they own, and 
yes I feel that hacking their software and violating their specific 
copyright requirements is not a good thing.

I do not think that C. Dold misread their website.  I went through it a 
week or more ago and got the same thing from it, "Our software won't 
work with Kermit", and actually called to ask whether their software 
that they diustribute or sell would work for this.  I was told to call 
the 900 number.  I will NOT call a 900 number to find out that I need to 
buy one of their packages. That is absurd.  They want to sell it, they 
ought to advertise that the capability is there.

Frank, I respect your toe-ing the party line on registering and buying 
manuals, and in fact zmodem is good software and I agree that it was a 
contribution to the net in general.  It would be way less annoying 
though if you said "There's a freely available version that will work, 
and you can get it at foo.com/bar/bax.gz, but you really ought to talk 
to Omen and get the fixed version."  I want to use YOUR software the way 
it USED to work, if you know how to make that happen just tell us, OK?

-bill 


Clarence Dold wrote:
> 
> Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
> : Here is the definitive answer.  You have to go to Omen Technology and
> : request a version of their Zmodem software that works over standard input
> : and output, and therefore can be redirected.  The versions that are
> 
> Clarence Dold  <dold@rahul.net> wrote:
> : : Frank, I thought that was exactly the point.
> : : The 1988 version of szrz, that I use, is public domain, and uses stdin and
> : : stdout, making it redirectable.
> 
> : I can't claim to speak for Chuck.  Anybody who wants to know anything about
> : Zmodem should go to the definitive source.  My personal opinion is that
> : Chuck made a significant contribution to the online culture of the 1980s and
> 

...snip...
 
> The other is that I misunderstand Chuck's current intentions.
> I prowled his web page last night, after my post.  I didn't see anything
> implying that szrz was available for use on a Unix machine to talk to
> anything other than the PC version of Chuck's products.
> I assume you have better knowledge than I do from reading the public posts
> by you and him, and my apparent misreading of his current web page.
> 
> Because I have, and continue, to interpret Chuck's intentions the way I
> do, I don't want to buy current product from him.  Therefore I don't
> use it.  I use the 1988 version.  The source for this seems to have

...snip...

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Z-Modem -- compatible version for HPUX 9.3
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In article <31D83924.7C11@genmagic.com>,
William Mills  <mills@genmagic.com> wrote:
: Frank, I respect your toe-ing the party line on registering and buying 
: manuals, and in fact zmodem is good software and I agree that it was a 
: contribution to the net in general.  It would be way less annoying 
: though if you said "There's a freely available version that will work, 
: and you can get it at foo.com/bar/bax.gz, but you really ought to talk 
: to Omen and get the fixed version."  I want to use YOUR software the way 
: it USED to work, if you know how to make that happen just tell us, OK?
: 
Thanks -- but that just ain't my role.  Everything I know on the subject
has been posted already in this thread.  I would conclude from Chuck's
remark that his Professional YAM product "can be called from other
programs in either dial-in or dial-out applications" that, in UNIX at
least, it should work with C-Kermit, but I can't swear to it.

As far as C-Kermit itself is concerned, it is even more capable than before
of running other programs as external protocols if their standard input and
output can be redirected.  See the C-Kermit 6.0.192 beta, announced here
recently, and its new SET PROTOCOL command.  Nobody has yet reported testing
it with Professional YAM, so I'm sure that would be a valuable contribution.

- Frank

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From: tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden)
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Subject: 80 characters as argument to echo
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Supplying a line with 80 characters as an argument to echo gives two
linefeeds and not one in MS-Kermit 3.14. I cannot find a way to suppress the
extra linefeed for this special case. Is this a known problem?

The problem can be seen with this simple take file:

echo 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789
echo 2        1         2         3         4         5         6         7         8
echo 3
echo 4
echo 5
echo 6
echo 7
echo 8
echo 9
echo 10

Tomas Linden
------------
Tomas.Linden@Helsinki.FI

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.5
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Version 1.1.5 of Kermit 95 communications software for Windows 95 and NT
-- Serial (direct and modem), TCP/IP (Telnet and Rlogin), and Meridian
Technology SuperLAT connections -- is now available from the Kermit
Project at Columbia University.

Kermit 95 offers a wide range of terminal emulations, Kermit and XYZMODEM
file transfer, script programming, and international character-set
translation.

Kermit 95 is a native 32-bit Windows 95 and NT application on Intel
platforms and (for NT only) also for the PowerPC and DEC Alpha.

If you have not used Kermit 95 before, visit our Web site for a thorough
introduction:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

The most important changes in version 1.1.5 are:

 . Thirteen new terminal emulations
 . Many new built-in keymaps and keyboard modes, including:
   - A complete keymap for each terminal type     
   - An EMACS mode
   - An MS-DOS Kermit-compatible mode
 . Improved support for European keyboards
 . Improved color and attribute control and display
 . Scrollback, mouse features, and hot keys in the command window
 . Further integration of XYZMODEM with commands, displays, statistics
 . Serial-port speedups, as much as 84%
 . Autoupload (like autodownload, but in the other direction)
 . New, simplified script programming syntax and many new scripting features
 . Bug fixes

And other improvements and new features too numerous to list here.  For a
complete description of the new release see:

  ftp://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/updates.doc

TERMINAL EMULATION

Kermit 95's terminal emulations now include Data General, Wyse, Televideo,
and Heath models, as well as the Avatar, AT386, and SCOANSI types for use
with BBSs and UNIX consoles.  Here is the complete list, with new additions
marked by "+":

   ANSI-BBS    Standard ANSI BBS character graphics (color)
 + Avatar/0+   Enhanced BBS graphics (color)
 + AT386       UnixWare and Interactive UNIX consoles (color)
 + DG200       Data General DASHER 200
 + DG210       Data General DASHER 210
 + Heath19     Heath/Zenith-19
 + SCOANSI     SCO and Linux consoles (color)
   TTY         Teletype
 + TV910+      Televideo 910+
 + TV925       Televideo 925
 + TV950       Televideo 950
   VT52        Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) VT52
   VT100       DEC VT100 + color
   VT102       DEC VT102 + color
   VT220       DEC VT220 + color
   VT320       DEC VT320 + color
 + WY30        Wyse 30  (and 30+ and 35)
 + WY50        Wyse 50  (and 50+)
 + WY60        Wyse 60  (and most of 120, 160, and 350)
 + WY370       Wyse 370 (color)

Each emulation has its own COMPLETE built-in keymap.  As you switch among
emulations (which you can do with a new hot-key (Alt-T), your keymap also
switches automatically.

There is also a new EMACS mode, independent of your terminal type, that you
can switch into and out of with a hot key (Ctrl-Alt-Shift-E, of course :-).

VT emulation is improved in many ways, particularly the color extensions;
new commands allow user selection of every possible combination of
interpretations of how coloration should be applied during erasure,
attribute reset, and so forth.  Also, the blinking attribute is no longer
simulated -- now blinking characters really blink.  But you can still select
color simulation of various attributes, now also including reverse.  All
previously reported emulation bugs are fixed.

And there is now an MS-DOS Kermit compatibility mode, in which MS-DOS Kermit
scan codes are accepted in by the SET KEY command and displayed by the SHOW
KEY command.  This allows the massive installed base of MS-DOS key settings
files to be used with Kermit 95.

And for those using the Latin-2 (East European) character set (for Polish,
Czech, Hungarian, Croation, etc), there is now Compose-key support for the
special characters and accents of these languages.  This in addition to our
Latin-1 (West European) Compose key, and our Hebrew and Russian keyboard
modes.

And hurray, The Windows 95 bugs that caused incorrect operation of Caps Lock
and dead keys have been conquered, and so now both US and national keyboards
of all kinds can be used in their normal ways.

FILE TRANSFER

You liked Kermit 95's autodownload feature?  Now it has an autoupload
feature too.  If you tell the remote Kermit program to GET a file, Kermit 95
sends it automatically.

XYZMODEM transfers have been more fully integrated into Kermit 95.  They now
use the Kermit-style fullscreen display, and most protocol related commands
(such as file collision options) apply to them, and so on.

THE COMMAND WINDOW

The Command window now has many of the same features as the Terminal window,
most notably scrollback, mouse shortcuts, and all of the Kverbs and hot keys
that are not strictly related to terminal emulation.

The syntax of the script programming language has been simplified, local
(automatic) variables have been added, additional commands, variables,
functions, and control structures are now available.

BE LIKE TELNET

A small thing, but lots of you asked for it.  A new command-line option lets
Kermit 95 work just like Telnet:

  k95 -J host [ port ]

is just like "telnet host [ port ]" (where [ port ] is an optional TCP
service port name or number).  This opens up the Terminal window right away,
and then when you log out from the host, Kermit 95 disappears automatically.
In the meantime, you can escape back and reconnect all you want -- e.g. to
transfer files.  This is the perfect way to configure Kermit 95 as the
Telnet program for your Web browser.  (The TELNET.EXE that comes with Kermit
95 now starts K95 this way -- and there is also now a new counterpart
RLOGIN.EXE for easy Rlogin connections.)

AND LOTS MORE

Literally hundreds of small improvements in response to requests from our
users, and we've fixed every reported bug that could be addressed in our own
code and, as you can see from the foregoing, found some creative workarounds
for some of the Windows bugs too.

HOW TO GET IT

The new release can be ordered in shrink-wrapped or bulk- or site-licensed
form from Columbia University.  All orders received starting today will be
filled with version 1.1.5.  Find ordering information at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

Current registered users of Kermit 95 can download the 1.1.5 upgrade patch
from our BBS or from our ftp site:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/

or on the Web:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html

WHAT'S NEXT

Barring unforeseen circumstances, this will be the final console-mode-only
release of Kermit 95, and also the final release that will work under
Windows NT 3.xx.  (Yes, that's what we said when we released 1.1.3 and
1.1.4, but most of the improvements in this new release came out of the GUI
development work.)

Henceforth all efforts will be directed at producing a full Windows 95 and
NT 4.0 graphical-user-interface (GUI) version, which will be made available
to current registered users of Kermit 95 at no additional cost.

Work on the GUI version is well underway.  In addition to the widely-desired
change in the look and feel of the program, the conversion also frees us
from a number of restrictions inherent in the use of Windows 95 console
mode:

 . Character set and font restrictions
 . The 132-column mode bug in Windows 95
 . Numerous bugs in the console-mode keyboard interface
 . Various difficulties with printing
 . Inability to emulate graphics terminals such as Tektronix

Windows 95 or Windows NT 4.00 will be required to run the GUI version.
Watch this space (and our Web page) for further announcements.

Frank da Cruz, Christine M. Gianone, 
Jeffrey E. Altman, Max Evarts, and Andy Newcomb
The Kermit Project, Columbia University, New York City

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: 80 characters as argument to echo
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In article <4r6kh7$sqj@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI>, tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) writes:
> Supplying a line with 80 characters as an argument to echo gives two
> linefeeds and not one in MS-Kermit 3.14. I cannot find a way to suppress the
> extra linefeed for this special case. Is this a known problem?
> 
> The problem can be seen with this simple take file:
> 
> echo 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789
> echo 2        1         2         3         4         5         6         7         8
> echo 3
> echo 4
> echo 5
> echo 6
> echo 7
> echo 8
> echo 9
> echo 10
---------
	The problem, I believe, is in the test itself. That is, the remote
host doing the echoing of what you sent is wrapping the line at column 80
and that's the extra line feed. MSK does not have an 80 column sensor in
the ECHO command. To doublecheck run MSK in 132 column mode if your display
adapter cooperates.
	Joe D.

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In article <31D42BF9.539@WolfeNet.Com> Baus <Baus@WolfeNet.Com> writes:

> I want the computer to figure out if there is call waiting and then if so
> use the correct dialing string.

I don't think that's possible. First of all, IMHO the telco doesn't issue
any special tone on a line that's subject to CW. Second, you'd need a
*very* special modem to recognise such a tone if it existed.

As an aside, sometimes CW is good, not bad. In fact I got CW from the telco
with the express purpose of interrupting my connection upon a call. Then I
turn off the modem (or hang up DTR), take the call and talk. After I'm
finished, it takes me 1 minute to reconnect, and my work is intact since I
use "screen" which works in NOHUP (no hangup) mode.


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After upgrading K95 from 1.1.4 to 1.1.5 the following message started
appearing :-

 THIS COPY OF KERMIT SOFTWARE IS NOT REGISTERED.
 This software must be installed from the original diskettes using the
SETUP
 procedure provided.  It may not be downloaded or redistributed without a
 license from Columbia University.  For further information send e-mail to
 kermit-orders@columbia.edu or call +1 (212) 854-3703.

It seems the upgrade cleared my registration details.  If I re-install
from disk
will the version go back to 1.1.4 ?

Regards


Robin Stephens

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From: Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca>
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While I transfer from C-Kermit 5A(190) to DOS MS-Kermit 3.14, I notice that
the packet size oscillates up and down from the initial 9000 to as low as
17. This makes so that more than half of the traffic is protocol, not data.
I don't think the phone line is that bad, and I use a Supra V32bis 14.4
with LAPM and MNP5. The kermit parameters I use are:

set baud 38400   ; my files are zipped, so this should be enough
set flow-control rts/cts
set block-check 3                       ; 16-bit CRC
set windows 5
set receive packet 9000
set send packet 9000
set control unprefixed all
set control prefixed 0 1 3 13 129 131 141

What can I do to speed this up?

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Frank da Cruz wrote:
> 
> Version 1.1.5 of Kermit 95 communications software for Windows 95 and NT
> [snip]
> Frank da Cruz, Christine M. Gianone,
> Jeffrey E. Altman, Max Evarts, and Andy Newcomb
> The Kermit Project, Columbia University, New York City

I downloaded and applied the patch to my 1.1.4 version last night. I wiped
out my registration information. That didn't happen on the last patch. Is
this a problem? How do I re-register?

JJ

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We are running MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on a networked PC and C-Kermit 5A(190)
on a DEC Alpha box.I need to disable local echo within a Telnet session.
On the DEC Alpha the 'set telnet echo remote' command works fine but
there appears to be no equivalent in MS-DOS Kermit.If I use the command
'set local-echo off' the 'show communication' command shows echo is off
but as soon as I start a Telnet session echo is swithed back on.

Any ideas?

Dave Stephens - dave@chancellors.co.uk

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In article <01bb68a6.a406f5c0$8b06848b@robin.deakin.edu.au>,
Robin Stephens <rmstephe@deakin.edu.au> wrote:
: 
: After upgrading K95 from 1.1.4 to 1.1.5 the following message started
: appearing :-
: 
:  THIS COPY OF KERMIT SOFTWARE IS NOT REGISTERED.
:  This software must be installed from the original diskettes ...
: 
: It seems the upgrade cleared my registration details.  If I re-install
: from disk will the version go back to 1.1.4 ?
: 
Sorry, after thorough testing of the software and the patches, an error
crept in at the packaging stage.  It will be corrected today and a new set
of patches, and recovery instructions, will be posted.

- Frank

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Can someone direct me to the FAQ for this group, please? We are having a 
number of problems getting a kermit polling process that used to work on
an Interactive Unix box to now work on a DEC/Alpha.  Thanks in advance.
 -- 
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In article <omafxh7spj.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca>,
Vladimir Alexiev  <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:
: While I transfer from C-Kermit 5A(190) to DOS MS-Kermit 3.14, I notice that
: the packet size oscillates up and down from the initial 9000 to as low as
: 17. This makes so that more than half of the traffic is protocol, not data.
: I don't think the phone line is that bad, and I use a Supra V32bis 14.4
: with LAPM and MNP5. The kermit parameters I use are:
: 
: set baud 38400   ; my files are zipped, so this should be enough
: set flow-control rts/cts
: set block-check 3                       ; 16-bit CRC
: set windows 5
: set receive packet 9000
: set send packet 9000
: set control unprefixed all
: set control prefixed 0 1 3 13 129 131 141
: 
: What can I do to speed this up?
:
You are failing to be properly amazed that your transfers work at all :-)
Kermit reduces its packet length automatically when there is an
error.  A very common cause of errors when you are using long packets is
buffer overruns which, in turn, are caused by a lack of adequate flow
control (are you sure the modem is set for RTS/CTS too?) and/or hardware
problems -- for example, if you have an unbuffered UART and it is generating
interrupts faster than the CPU can service them.  No amount of error
correction in the modem will do any good in a case like this, because the
errors are occurring outside the modem-to-modem connection.  Similar types
of errors can be caused by other processes (including TSRs) that grab CPU
cycles away from Kermit or, worse, turn off interrupts now and then.

So Kermit automatically reduces the packet length in order to minimize the
chance of buffer overruns.  Like when you take your Jeep off the road and
put it into 4-wheel drive and first gear to go up a steep bumpy mountain
path.

Read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 -- it talks about
all of these problems in great detail.

- Frank

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In article <4rdrpn$u9@antares.en.com>, CCAI <ccaihq@en.com> wrote:
: Can someone direct me to the FAQ for this group, please? We are having a 
: number of problems getting a kermit polling process that used to work on
: an Interactive Unix box to now work on a DEC/Alpha.  Thanks in advance.
:
I doubt you will find an answer to this question in the FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

Assuming you have already consulted the manual, "Using C-Kermit", and
still can't diagnose the problem, then send a detailed problem report to
kermit-support@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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In article <4rdvqf$g9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

> A very common cause of errors when you are using long packets is buffer
> overruns

Frank, your diagnostic was very precise. I reduced the packet size from
9000 to 4096, and now kermit can sustain that rate indefinitely long.
Maybe kermit's fallback strategy needs to be tuned up a bit? Why does it
have to fall from 9000 all the way down to 17, if it can sustain at 4096?

Here's some more info about my setup:

> (are you sure the modem is set for RTS/CTS too?)

Yes. 

> and/or hardware problems -- for example, if you have an unbuffered UART

Yes, mine is an old XT286, and I presume it has a 1-byte UART (and so
thinks kermit). My modem is set to 38.8k baud, although they say I need
57.4k baud when compression is used, but I don't think it can achieve much
more than 14.4k with zipped files.

> and it is generating interrupts faster than the CPU can service them.
> ... other processes (including TSRs) that grab CPU cycles

I use none. Kermit is all by itself. I even store the incoming file to a
RAM disk, so storing time should not be a factor.

Thanks, Vlad

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In article <omohlx58ee.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca>,
Vladimir Alexiev  <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:
: In article <4rdvqf$g9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
: 
: > A very common cause of errors when you are using long packets is buffer
: > overruns
: 
: Frank, your diagnostic was very precise. I reduced the packet size from
: 9000 to 4096, and now kermit can sustain that rate indefinitely long.
: Maybe kermit's fallback strategy needs to be tuned up a bit? Why does it
: have to fall from 9000 all the way down to 17, if it can sustain at 4096?
: 
So you were sending from C-Kermit to MS-DOS Kermit, so C-Kermit is the one
who is shortening the packets.  I agree, it should settle to a value that
is optimal, and usually it does better than what you have observed.  The
algorithm is approximately this:

  Read a packet.
  If there is an error, reduce the packet size by half, down to some minimum.
  If there was not an error, increase it by 1/3, up to the negotiated max.

So after "bottoming out" at 17, it should have gone back up.  Why didn't it?
I don't know.  It usually does.  I would need to see a packet log to give a
better answer.  If you want to send me one (don't post it), feel free.  Send
the one from C-Kermit, uuencoded.

- Frank

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A bit more on the same topic: I did some more testing, and here's what I
found.
- packet sizes up to 7000 are sustainable
- size 7500 causes kermit to drop to 3000, and then quickly climb back to
  7500. 
- size 9000 causes kermit to drop all the way down to 17 and climb back
  slowly. 
There certainly is a PhD on dynamic systems hidden somewhere here :-)
So I'll just stick with 7000, the overhead there is about 7% which is good
enough :-)

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If two kermits have different communication parameters set, which ones take
precedence? I think for send/receive the packet size of the receiver takes
precedence, or is the minimum of the two used?

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Subject: Re: whose side comm params take precedence?
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In article <omloh157kk.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca>,
Vladimir Alexiev  <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:
: If two kermits have different communication parameters set, which ones take
: precedence? I think for send/receive the packet size of the receiver takes
: precedence, or is the minimum of the two used?
:
The answer depends on the parameter.  See Table 8-1 on page 168 of "Using
C-Kermit".

The maximum packet length is governed by the receiver.  That is, by whatever
SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH you give to the file receiver.  You can give a
SET SEND PACKET-LENGTH command to the sender, but you can only use it to
make the packets smaller, not larger.

The sender can, of course, unilaterally decide to send a packet of any
length at all, up to the maximum negotiated length.  And that's what happens
when errors occur.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: whose side comm params take precedence?
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In article <omloh157kk.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca>, Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:
> If two kermits have different communication parameters set, which ones take
> precedence? I think for send/receive the packet size of the receiver takes
> precedence, or is the minimum of the two used?
-----------
	It all depends (the universal answer to all communications questions).
The simple answer is the file sender (transmitter) first offers its max
capabilities and then the receiver replies with the final set which is as
much of the former that it is willing to accomodate. This is a two packet
exchange, not the endless haggling that say Telnet can create. What is 
negotiated is the maximal common ground.
	The depends part is the client to server chatter starts off with
a declaration of max capas from the client (servers wait for clients to
arrive) followed by the negotitated max reply from the server. Each file
group follows a similar strategy, with the requester of action (send or
get) going first, negotiate, and that's followed shortly by the file but
sender once again offering max etc. Gee, this reads as if it's Bazaar tactics.
The initiator of something offers max capas followed by the reply of max 
common ground.
	Joe D.

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From: ami@sig.net (Ami Bar-Yadin)
Subject: K95 scan codes
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Is there a list of scan codes for all the keys on a 101-key enhanced
keyboard for Kermit95 (1.1.5) running on Win95?

The 1.1.5 release notes describes a new MS-Kermit compatability mode
so SET KEY can accept my existing key maps, but I would like to update
my file to the Win95 scan codes.

Later,
--
Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@sig.net)


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <omafxh7spj.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca>, Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:
> While I transfer from C-Kermit 5A(190) to DOS MS-Kermit 3.14, I notice that
> the packet size oscillates up and down from the initial 9000 to as low as
> 17. This makes so that more than half of the traffic is protocol, not data.
> I don't think the phone line is that bad, and I use a Supra V32bis 14.4
> with LAPM and MNP5. The kermit parameters I use are:
> 
> set baud 38400   ; my files are zipped, so this should be enough
> set flow-control rts/cts
> set block-check 3                       ; 16-bit CRC
> set windows 5
> set receive packet 9000
> set send packet 9000
> set control unprefixed all
> set control prefixed 0 1 3 13 129 131 141
> 
> What can I do to speed this up?
----------
	I've noticed the same effect over a network connection. What's
occuring here are Kermit "rubber packets" where the length is halved after
each error/outage, and then grows back more slowly after successes. But
in your case the problem is overwhelming your modem or the remote host
with 5*9000 bytes in a row, which is rather overdoing it. I'd recommend
going back to a fairly standard 4 window slot and 1KB packet configuration.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Disable local echo in Telnet
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In article <31DA6121.2EE7@dial.pipex.com>, Chancellors <Estate.Agents@dial.pipex.com> writes:
> We are running MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on a networked PC and C-Kermit 5A(190)
> on a DEC Alpha box.I need to disable local echo within a Telnet session.
> On the DEC Alpha the 'set telnet echo remote' command works fine but
> there appears to be no equivalent in MS-DOS Kermit.If I use the command
> 'set local-echo off' the 'show communication' command shows echo is off
> but as soon as I start a Telnet session echo is swithed back on.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Dave Stephens - dave@chancellors.co.uk
-------------
	Local/remote echoing over a Telnet connection is a Telnet Option
negotiation result. Prior to negotiation echoing is local. If you Telnet
to a non-Telnet port no negotiations occur and you are left with local
echoing. Telnet is TCP port 23, the default unless you state otherwise.
	Perhaps you can help us with a few more details on that connection
process. As an aide you can say SET TCP DEBUG ON to see the Telnet Options
be negotiated when a session starts.
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: K95 scan codes
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In article <31db547a.296170267@news.aus.sig.net>,
Ami Bar-Yadin <ami@sig.net> wrote:
: Is there a list of scan codes for all the keys on a 101-key enhanced
: keyboard for Kermit95 (1.1.5) running on Win95?
: 
: The 1.1.5 release notes describes a new MS-Kermit compatability mode
: so SET KEY can accept my existing key maps, but I would like to update
: my file to the Win95 scan codes.
: 
No, not yet.  It's a matter of sitting down for a few hours and pressing
every single key and key combination in a "show key" loop:

  while true { show key }

and recording the results.  We will do it eventually, but there are many
other items on our list that have higher priority.  In the meantime, if
somebody else wants to do it and contribute the table, it would guarantee
your instant 15 minutes of fame (if not fortune :-)

- Frank

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From: Chancellors <Estate.Agents@dial.pipex.com>
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Subject: Re: Disable local echo in Telnet
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Joe Doupnik wrote:
> 
> In article <31DA6121.2EE7@dial.pipex.com>, Chancellors <Estate.Agents@dial.pipex.com> writes:
> > We are running MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on a networked PC and C-Kermit 5A(190)
> > on a DEC Alpha box.I need to disable local echo within a Telnet session.
> > On the DEC Alpha the 'set telnet echo remote' command works fine but
> > there appears to be no equivalent in MS-DOS Kermit.If I use the command
> > 'set local-echo off' the 'show communication' command shows echo is off
> > but as soon as I start a Telnet session echo is swithed back on.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Dave Stephens - dave@chancellors.co.uk
> -------------
>         Local/remote echoing over a Telnet connection is a Telnet Option
> negotiation result. Prior to negotiation echoing is local. If you Telnet
> to a non-Telnet port no negotiations occur and you are left with local
> echoing. Telnet is TCP port 23, the default unless you state otherwise.
>         Perhaps you can help us with a few more details on that connection
> process. As an aide you can say SET TCP DEBUG ON to see the Telnet Options
> be negotiated when a session starts.
>         Joe D.

What we have is a viewdata service modified to enable it to receive
incoming telnet connections which it listens for on its own port number. 
At present there is no negotiation on connection.When using kermit on the 
alpha to connect, all we need is to set telnet echo remote to give us
the required behavior.We would like MS-DOS Kermit to behave in the same
manner.

Dave Stephens.

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From: pcoen@forest.drew.edu (Paul Coen)
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Subject: Re: K95 upgrade
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In article <01bb68a6.a406f5c0$8b06848b@robin.deakin.edu.au>, "Robin Stephens" <rmstephe@deakin.edu.au> writes:
> It seems the upgrade cleared my registration details.  If I re-install
> from disk
> will the version go back to 1.1.4 ?
> 

I re-ran the CKREG.EXE file (I think that's the name) and it re-added
my registration number.  

The problem I'm having is with the dialer -- when I select a site to 
connect to, I'm getting all sorts of bizarre errors with odd characters
in them when Kermit actually starts -- it looks like messed up versions
of the settings for the service, in each case, like it's either
corrupted or the patched dialer isn't reading the data file correctly.

The actual file that's generating the error as Kermit tries to run
it is NAME-OF-SERVICE.HKS (or is it HKC?  Something like that.  
Unfortunatly, that's at work, and I'm off for the weekend.)

I have a couple of distinct dialusr.dat files I've been using for testing 
purposes, though, and they *all* do it.  Has anyone else run into this?

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <1996Jul4.125922.143531@forest>,
Paul Coen <pcoen@forest.drew.edu> wrote:
: In article <01bb68a6.a406f5c0$8b06848b@robin.deakin.edu.au>,
: "Robin Stephens" <rmstephe@deakin.edu.au> writes:
: > It seems the upgrade cleared my registration details.  If I re-install
: > from disk will the version go back to 1.1.4 ?
: 
: I re-ran the CKREG.EXE file (I think that's the name) and it re-added
: my registration number.  
: 
: The problem I'm having is with the dialer -- when I select a site to 
: connect to, I'm getting all sorts of bizarre errors with odd characters
: in them when Kermit actually starts -- it looks like messed up versions
: of the settings for the service, in each case, like it's either
: corrupted or the patched dialer isn't reading the data file correctly.
: 
: The actual file that's generating the error as Kermit tries to run
: it is NAME-OF-SERVICE.HKS (or is it HKC?  Something like that.  
: Unfortunatly, that's at work, and I'm off for the weekend.)
: 
: I have a couple of distinct dialusr.dat files I've been using for testing 
: purposes, though, and they *all* do it.  Has anyone else run into this?
:
Everybody who applied the first (July 2) patch ran into it.  There was a
packaging defect in the patch.  A new patch was issued on July 3rd to correct
the problem, along with instructions on how to back out of the first patch
and apply the second one, and email was sent directly to all registered K95
users whose email addresses we have on file.

If you are registered user of Kermit 95 but did not receive the email
concerning the patches, please send email to kermit@columbia.edu with your
registration number and your email address.

In the meantime, anybody who applied the July 2 patch, and has a version of
K95.EXE or K95DIAL.EXE identifying itself as Version 1.1.5 with a date of
2 July 1996, rather than 3 July 1996, should get the corrected patch and
apply it. On the Web, visit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html

Or using anonymous ftp, go to site:

  kermit.columbia.edu

and cd to the directory:

  kermit/k95/patches

get the READ.ME file, read it, and go from there.

Sorry for the inconvenience and confusion.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Disable local echo in Telnet
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In article <31DC1E69.576A@dial.pipex.com>, Chancellors <Estate.Agents@dial.pipex.com> writes:
> Joe Doupnik wrote:
>> 
>> In article <31DA6121.2EE7@dial.pipex.com>, Chancellors <Estate.Agents@dial.pipex.com> writes:
>> > We are running MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on a networked PC and C-Kermit 5A(190)
>> > on a DEC Alpha box.I need to disable local echo within a Telnet session.
>> > On the DEC Alpha the 'set telnet echo remote' command works fine but
>> > there appears to be no equivalent in MS-DOS Kermit.If I use the command
>> > 'set local-echo off' the 'show communication' command shows echo is off
>> > but as soon as I start a Telnet session echo is swithed back on.
>> >
>> > Any ideas?
>> >
>> > Dave Stephens - dave@chancellors.co.uk
>> -------------
>>         Local/remote echoing over a Telnet connection is a Telnet Option
>> negotiation result. Prior to negotiation echoing is local. If you Telnet
>> to a non-Telnet port no negotiations occur and you are left with local
>> echoing. Telnet is TCP port 23, the default unless you state otherwise.
>>         Perhaps you can help us with a few more details on that connection
>> process. As an aide you can say SET TCP DEBUG ON to see the Telnet Options
>> be negotiated when a session starts.
>>         Joe D.
> 
> What we have is a viewdata service modified to enable it to receive
> incoming telnet connections which it listens for on its own port number. 
> At present there is no negotiation on connection.When using kermit on the 
> alpha to connect, all we need is to set telnet echo remote to give us
> the required behavior.We would like MS-DOS Kermit to behave in the same
> manner.
> 
> Dave Stephens.
-------------
	Since MS-DOS Kermit performs no Telnet Option initial offers when
going to a TCP port other than 23 (Telnet) then the default Telnet conditions
apply (meaning echo locally etc). They are established as a session commences.
Once the session has begun you can give the command SET LOCAL-ECHO OFF at the
Kermit prompt and that will let the remote host provide any data to the Kermit
screen.
	Alternatively, a cleaner long term solution would be for your host
end to perform Telnet Options negotiations to establish the desired behavior.
The pair of Options necessary are SGA (Suppress Go Aheads) and ECHO, or
even mimimally just the ECHO Option. The latter would look like this:
	host commands DONT ECHO    (so client does not echo back host bytes)
	client responds WONT ECHO  (client agrees to not echo back)
	host offers WILL ECHO      (host offers to echo back to client)
	client responds DO ECHO    (client agrees to that arrangement)

You can see that without negotiation there is the chance that the client side
will bounce host bytes back to the host, and I'm sure your application would
not appreciate that. And it means one less Tech Support item for everyone.
	Joe D.

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In article <1996Jul3.065644.82295@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:

> in your case the problem is overwhelming your modem or the remote host
> with 5*9000 bytes in a row, which is rather overdoing it.

Actually I think it's 1 window, since this is the default on the sender
side, which I didn't have the sense to change.

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In article <4rerqn$r5u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:


> So after "bottoming out" at 17, it should have gone back up.  Why didn't it?
Oh, it does! Then it happily goes up to the top, then back down, and
oscillates this way. 

> I would need to see a packet log to give a better answer.
Ok, I'm sending one. It seemed to me that it hanged on the bottom of the
first pit quite longer than in the other pits.

If 10% of the software deveoplers in the world were as responsible as you
guys are, the world would be a better place!

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In article <omn31h57zl.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca>, Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> writes:
> A bit more on the same topic: I did some more testing, and here's what I
> found.
> - packet sizes up to 7000 are sustainable
> - size 7500 causes kermit to drop to 3000, and then quickly climb back to
>   7500. 
> - size 9000 causes kermit to drop all the way down to 17 and climb back
>   slowly. 
> There certainly is a PhD on dynamic systems hidden somewhere here :-)
> So I'll just stick with 7000, the overhead there is about 7% which is good
> enough :-)
------------
	Even overwhelming has degrees of excess. Far too many bytes can
create a situation where the sending program encounters a rapid succession
of error returns, all from the same set of packets because the fault hasn't
gone away by the time more queued bytes want to hit the wire (it's trying too
hard, *we* know that but the program doesn't). Once the first overload occurs
and more bytes are still ready to go then errors can just keep happening and
happening, and the rubber packet "halve on error" mechanism quickly results 
in tiny packets.
	I guess C Kermit needs to be more whimpy on transmission errors, but
the difficulty is knowing when to stop waiting around and start transmitting
again. The external devices (modems in this case) often don't give Kermit
a hint on that matter.
	MS-DOS Kermit is in control of the serial port hardware and thus has
more sensitivity to low level troubles and knows how to back away gracefully.
C Kermit is isolated by the operating system, and it can be trapped into
these overload situations more easily.
	Joe D.

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Anyone know of a source of information to get kermit configured for Linux? 
The kermit configuration files come with a lot of information for a lot of
systems and it seems a bit of a task to swim through everything to
configure just the applicable parts for your system and your needs. 

Specifically right now I need to be able to download identical file names
when downloading files.  When using the kermit protocol it downloads the
files but the file names are shortened.  I haven't tried zmodem yet. 
Also, how about auto-redial and backscroll?  Information on this should
make my transition from Minicom a little smoother until I can plow through
the documentation. 

Thanks.

-Tony
 



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <4rions$3kl@tribune.concentric.net>,
Tony Gonzalez <Oak2@cris.com> wrote:
: Anyone know of a source of information to get kermit configured for Linux? 
: The kermit configuration files come with a lot of information for a lot of
: systems and it seems a bit of a task to swim through everything to
: configure just the applicable parts for your system and your needs. 
: 
Get the cku192.tar.gz file from kermit.columbia.edu, directory
kermit/test/tar.  Unzip it, untar it, "make linux".  That gives you the
Linux executable.

: Specifically right now I need to be able to download identical file names
: when downloading files.  When using the kermit protocol it downloads the
: files but the file names are shortened.
:
The manual would help you here.  If you want filenames left alone during the
transfer, "set file names literal".

: Also, how about auto-redial and backscroll?
:
The version mentioned above supports auto redial, but you need to ask for
it explicitly, because if we did it by default we would be breaking the law
in many countries.  "set dial retries 10" or whatever.

Backscroll would be a function of your terminal window.  The UNIX version
of C-Kermit is not a terminal emulator.

- Frank

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In article <omu3vn461o.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca>,
Vladimir Alexiev  <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:
: In article <4rerqn$r5u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>
: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
: 
: > So after "bottoming out" at 17, it should have gone back up.  
: > Why didn't it?
:
: Oh, it does! Then it happily goes up to the top, then back down, and
: oscillates this way. 
: 
: > I would need to see a packet log to give a better answer.
:
: Ok, I'm sending one. It seemed to me that it hanged on the bottom of the
: first pit quite longer than in the other pits.
: 
The problem at hand is an interesting one, and your log is grist for the
mill.  We will see what we can do in the forthcoming releases of MS-DOS
Kermit and C-kermit.

: If 10% of the software deveoplers in the world were as responsible as you
: guys are, the world would be a better place!
:
Thanks :-)

- Frank

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Joe Doupnik wrote:
> 
> In article <31DC1E69.576A@dial.pipex.com>, Chancellors <Estate.Agents@dial.pipex.com> writes:
> > Joe Doupnik wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <31DA6121.2EE7@dial.pipex.com>, Chancellors <Estate.Agents@dial.pipex.com> writes:
> >> > We are running MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on a networked PC and C-Kermit 5A(190)
> >> > on a DEC Alpha box.I need to disable local echo within a Telnet session.
> >> > On the DEC Alpha the 'set telnet echo remote' command works fine but
> >> > there appears to be no equivalent in MS-DOS Kermit.If I use the command
> >> > 'set local-echo off' the 'show communication' command shows echo is off
> >> > but as soon as I start a Telnet session echo is swithed back on.
> >> >
> >> > Any ideas?
> >> >
> >> > Dave Stephens - dave@chancellors.co.uk
> >> -------------
> >>         Local/remote echoing over a Telnet connection is a Telnet Option
> >> negotiation result. Prior to negotiation echoing is local. If you Telnet
> >> to a non-Telnet port no negotiations occur and you are left with local
> >> echoing. Telnet is TCP port 23, the default unless you state otherwise.
> >>         Perhaps you can help us with a few more details on that connection
> >> process. As an aide you can say SET TCP DEBUG ON to see the Telnet Options
> >> be negotiated when a session starts.
> >>         Joe D.
> >
> > What we have is a viewdata service modified to enable it to receive
> > incoming telnet connections which it listens for on its own port number.
> > At present there is no negotiation on connection.When using kermit on the
> > alpha to connect, all we need is to set telnet echo remote to give us
> > the required behavior.We would like MS-DOS Kermit to behave in the same
> > manner.
> >
> > Dave Stephens.
> -------------
>         Since MS-DOS Kermit performs no Telnet Option initial offers when
> going to a TCP port other than 23 (Telnet) then the default Telnet conditions
> apply (meaning echo locally etc). They are established as a session commences.
> Once the session has begun you can give the command SET LOCAL-ECHO OFF at the
> Kermit prompt and that will let the remote host provide any data to the Kermit
> screen.
>         Alternatively, a cleaner long term solution would be for your host
> end to perform Telnet Options negotiations to establish the desired behavior.
> The pair of Options necessary are SGA (Suppress Go Aheads) and ECHO, or
> even mimimally just the ECHO Option. The latter would look like this:
>         host commands DONT ECHO    (so client does not echo back host bytes)
>         client responds WONT ECHO  (client agrees to not echo back)
>         host offers WILL ECHO      (host offers to echo back to client)
>         client responds DO ECHO    (client agrees to that arrangement)
> 
> You can see that without negotiation there is the chance that the client side
> will bounce host bytes back to the host, and I'm sure your application would
> not appreciate that. And it means one less Tech Support item for everyone.
>         Joe D.


Thanks for the pointer.

Dave.

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In article <4rharv$csg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
   fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:

>If you are registered user of Kermit 95 but did not receive the email
>concerning the patches, please send email to kermit@columbia.edu with your
>registration number and your email address.

I was among those who sent UNSUBSCRIBE messages to the mailing list when 
it began forwarding replies by accident a few months ago.  I'll follow the 
c.p.k.announce newsgroup instead, thanks.

The upgrade looks good, BTW; now if we can just do something about that 
scripting language...!

-- 
Kevin Martin <cannon@nic.com>

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I backed out the 7/2 patch and applied the 7/3 patch.

*  Dialer, edit entry dialog, terminal tab:  The "command line" colors
settings get trashed.  I set them, click OK, Edit, Terminal and they
are messed up.  However, if I blank both settings, they will remain
blank.  The garbled settings gets put into the .KSC script resulting
in error messages; the blank settings are put into the .KSC as
"(null)", also resulting in error messages.

*  With SET MSKERMIT KEYCODES ON, the definition of some key
combinations can not be changed using SET KEY (eg gray-slash, control
gray-pagedown, shift gray-rightarrow) but others can be changed (eg
gray-asterisk, gray-rightarrow).  I haven't tried all the key
combinations in both settings, yet :-)

*  For the slash on the keypad, SHOW KEY uses the name "key code \4442
Gray-Z".  With SET MSK KEY ON, the name used is "key code \0 Gray-Z".
For the asterisk, minus, and plus the key code number does not change
but the descriptions are "Multiply", "Subtract", and "Add".  For those
keys named above that cannot be changed, the key code number always
appears as "key code \0 ...".

Later,
--
Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@sig.net)

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On 4 Jul 1996 16:08:39 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
wrote:

>In article <31db547a.296170267@news.aus.sig.net>,
>Ami Bar-Yadin <ami@sig.net> wrote:
>: Is there a list of scan codes for all the keys on a 101-key enhanced
>: keyboard for Kermit95 (1.1.5) running on Win95?
>
>No, not yet.  It's a matter of sitting down for a few hours and pressing
>every single key and key combination in a "show key" loop:

I must be missing something.

I would very much appreciate any information about how the SET
MSKERMIT KEYCODES ON mode/conversion is accomlished, and how SHOW KEY
can say "Key code \6951 Alt-Shift-Gray-RightArrow".

I haven't done any Windows programming, but if these features use
Windows calls I'll volunteer to write a program to generate a list of
scan codes.

Later,
--
Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@sig.net)

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Can anybody here help me to download or upload files by using kermit?
I want to download files from my UNIX account to my PC. Any advice or
suggustion are appreciated.



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On 6 Jul 96 18:52:24 GMT, dunliu@sol.carleton.ca (Dunxue Liu)
wrote:

>
>Can anybody here help me to download or upload files by using kermit?
>I want to download files from my UNIX account to my PC. Any advice or
>suggustion are appreciated.
>
>
My first suggustion is RFTM/documentations accompanied with your
software, you question is just too board to be answered.

  --SAM

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From: "Kevin Knickerbocker" <knickerb@ix.netcom.com>
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I am using K95 1.1.5 to connect to a VMS system that uses dialback.  I
have a
script that uses the "dial" command followed by the "answer" command.  The
informational message that is usually displayed by the answer command has
the first few lines missing from it.  It seems that this only occurs after
the dial
command has been used.  If I use the answer command without using the dial
command first I do get all of the informational lines.

I have also noticed under circumstances that I have not been able to
identify
that characters get "stuck" on the console display.  These are characters
from
script "echo" commands or messages output from other kermit commands.
Only a few characters from the output "stick".  They appear to be randomly
placed and are not cleared by the "cls" command.

I had the "sticking" character problem with 1.1.4 in terminal mode but not
in
command mode as I do now with 1.1.5.  With 1.1.5 this problem occurs in
both
terminal and command modes.  The "stuck" characters are not cleared in
terminal
mode with a ALT-R.

Kevin Knickerbocker

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From: ami@sig.net (Ami Bar-Yadin)
Subject: k95 keyboard map suggestion
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I have a couple of suggestions about keyboard mapping in Kermit95.

The new multi-level key map scheme sounds great.  But you are only
allowing me to change one part of it.  I would like to change the
EMACS map, and maybe the VT220 and WYSE maps.  I am sure other people
will have their own picks.  I think all keyboard maps should be
changeable by the user.

Creeping featurism:  Instead of having three specific special keyboard
maps (EMACS, Hebrew, and Russian) have generalized methods to add
special key maps and select the active one.  Super creeping featurism:
Be able to group key maps, select one active map in each group (only
one map in a group is active), and prioritize Kermit's search thru the
groups.  Then the existing three special maps and the terminal
emulation maps become just two groups within a generalized,
extendable, open-ended scheme.


Scrollback buffer navigation should be a "mode" with its own
changeable key map.  Kermit has so many features activated by \kverbs
I can't use them all, much less have key combinations left for my
application.  Instead of having to dedicate ctrl-pgup, I can use it in
my application.  If buffer navigation is a mode, simpler key
combinations can be used, such as page-up and -down instead of
ctrl-page-up and -down.

Later,
--
Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@sig.net)

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Date: 7 Jul 1996 21:18:48 GMT
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In article <31ddd954.133342529@news.aus.sig.net>,
Ami Bar-Yadin <ami@sig.net> wrote:
: I backed out the 7/2 patch and applied the 7/3 patch.
: 
: *  Dialer, edit entry dialog, terminal tab:  The "command line" colors
: settings get trashed.  I set them, click OK, Edit, Terminal and they
: are messed up.  However, if I blank both settings, they will remain
: blank.  The garbled settings gets put into the .KSC script resulting
: in error messages; the blank settings are put into the .KSC as
: "(null)", also resulting in error messages.
: 
This is a symptom of the 7/2 patch.  It should not happen with the 7/3
patch.  Contact our tech support folks and we'll get you a fresh copy.
Email to kermit-support@columbia.edu.

: *  With SET MSKERMIT KEYCODES ON, the definition of some key
: combinations can not be changed using SET KEY (eg gray-slash, control
: gray-pagedown, shift gray-rightarrow) but others can be changed (eg
: gray-asterisk, gray-rightarrow).  I haven't tried all the key
: combinations in both settings, yet :-)
: 
: *  For the slash on the keypad, SHOW KEY uses the name "key code \4442
: Gray-Z".  With SET MSK KEY ON, the name used is "key code \0 Gray-Z".
: For the asterisk, minus, and plus the key code number does not change
: but the descriptions are "Multiply", "Subtract", and "Add".  For those
: keys named above that cannot be changed, the key code number always
: appears as "key code \0 ...".
: 
Thanks for the report.  This is one of four or five rough edges in the 1.1.5
release (aside from the defective first patch, sorry) that we will correct
as quickly as we can.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: dial and answer messages disappear with 1.1.5
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In article <01bb6bb8.a6f8d360$5f89d9ce@#knickerb>,
Kevin Knickerbocker <knickerb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

: I am using K95 1.1.5 to connect to a VMS system that uses dialback.  I
: have a script that uses the "dial" command followed by the "answer"
: command.  The informational message that is usually displayed by the
: answer command has the first few lines missing from it.  It seems that
: this only occurs after the dial command has been used.  If I use the
: answer command without using the dial command first I do get all of the
: informational lines.
: 
We will check this and make any necessary fixes in the next release.

: I have also noticed under circumstances that I have not been able to
: identify that characters get "stuck" on the console display.  These are
: characters from script "echo" commands or messages output from other
: kermit commands.  Only a few characters from the output "stick".  They
: appear to be randomly placed and are not cleared by the "cls" command.
: 
This is caused by a Yet Another Bug in the Windows 95 Console Agent
(CONAGENT.EXE).  It is described in the Kermit 95 BUGS.DOC file, item 83.

: I had the "sticking" character problem with 1.1.4 in terminal mode but
: not in command mode as I do now with 1.1.5.  With 1.1.5 this problem
: occurs in both terminal and command modes.  The "stuck" characters are
: not cleared in terminal mode with a ALT-R.
: 
In version 1.1.5, for the first time, the Command Window works like the
Terminal Window.  The main advantage is the availability of scrollback.
The disadvantage is the increased possibility of tickling the Console
Agent bug, which was reported to Microsoft long ago.

The persistent ghost characters are not a certainty -- most people never
see them.  The problem only occurs on some systems under certain
conditions, such as under heavy system load or swapping.  Workarounds
include:

 . Use Alt-Enter to switch to fullscreen mode and back.  This forces the
   screen to be entirely reconstructed and exorcises the ghosts.

 . Rolling the screen back and then forwards, using Kermit's scrollback
   keys, might also do the same thing.

 . Buy more memory :-)  These systems are memory hungry and all sorts of
   problems disappear when you have 32MB or more.  Memory is dirt cheap
   at the moment, so this is a good time to expand.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <31e007e1.63677114@news.aus.sig.net>,
Ami Bar-Yadin <ami@sig.net> wrote:
: I have a couple of suggestions about keyboard mapping in Kermit95.
: 
: The new multi-level key map scheme sounds great.  But you are only
: allowing me to change one part of it.  I would like to change the
: EMACS map, and maybe the VT220 and WYSE maps.  I am sure other people
: will have their own picks.  I think all keyboard maps should be
: changeable by the user.
: 
Agreed.  This is one of many, many, many items on our long, long, long
list of things to do.

: Creeping featurism:  Instead of having three specific special keyboard
: maps (EMACS, Hebrew, and Russian) have generalized methods to add
: special key maps and select the active one.  Super creeping featurism:
: Be able to group key maps, select one active map in each group (only
: one map in a group is active), and prioritize Kermit's search thru the
: groups.  Then the existing three special maps and the terminal
: emulation maps become just two groups within a generalized,
: extendable, open-ended scheme.
: 
: Scrollback buffer navigation should be a "mode" with its own
: changeable key map.  Kermit has so many features activated by \kverbs
: I can't use them all, much less have key combinations left for my
: application.  Instead of having to dedicate ctrl-pgup, I can use it in
: my application.  If buffer navigation is a mode, simpler key
: combinations can be used, such as page-up and -down instead of
: ctrl-page-up and -down.
: 
These are all good ideas, but how many people would ever take advantage
of this kind of customizability?  Would it ever justify the amount of work
that needs to go into creating it?

Anyway, we need to concentrate on more critical areas first -- the GUI
conversion, the TAPI interface -- it's what everyone wants us to do.  After
that we'll revisit this question.  Which is not to discourage your suggestions
-- keep 'em coming!  And we'll keep adding them to our long, long, long list.

- Frank

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From: "Kevin Knickerbocker" <knickerb@ix.netcom.com>
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Your comments about the command window working like the
terminal window and the availability of scrollback prompted
me to reexamine the problem I am having.

I don't think that missing informational message lines from
the answer command are related to having used the dial
command first.  Instead the lines disappear if they are
displayed near the end of the command window such that
the command window would need to be scrolled.

My script has several steps and displays a banner at each
step to indicate its progress.  Kermits answer command
messages and my own banners display incorrectly if they
are printed at the bottom of the command window causing
the command window to scroll.  I was able to eliminate this
problem by clearing the command window before displaying
each banner, thus the messages never reach the bottom
of the command window and the command window is not
scrolled.

Kevin Knickerbocker 

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In article <01bb6c5f.7c6f9140$93c8b7c7@#knickerb>,
Kevin Knickerbocker <knickerb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: Your comments about the command window working like the
: terminal window and the availability of scrollback prompted
: me to reexamine the problem I am having.
: 
: I don't think that missing informational message lines from
: the answer command are related to having used the dial
: command first.  Instead the lines disappear if they are
: displayed near the end of the command window such that
: the command window would need to be scrolled.
: 
: My script has several steps and displays a banner at each
: step to indicate its progress.  Kermits answer command
: messages and my own banners display incorrectly if they
: are printed at the bottom of the command window causing
: the command window to scroll.  I was able to eliminate this
: problem by clearing the command window before displaying
: each banner, thus the messages never reach the bottom
: of the command window and the command window is not
: scrolled.
: 
If you could send a copy of your script to kermit-support@columbia.edu,
maybe we could figure out what is happening, and if there is a problem
in the code (as opposed to, say, a manifestation of Bug #83 in the
BUGS.DOC file), we can fix it.

Thanks!

- Frank

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Aloha tekkies,

We have a mixed environment of several flavors of unix and netware mostly
talking TCP/IP but also with modem dialups and serial port connections.
We have tried to standardize on Kermit 3.14 as our terminal emulator because
(1) it can handle TCP/IP, direct connections and modem dialups, (2) it has
a lot of nice features we like (3) it is fairly customizable and of course
(4) other than documentation and setup, it is basically free.

We use the Crynware Packet drivers to enable PC TCP/IP connections to our
unix/novell systems.  This worked well UNTIL we decided to replace our
outmoded X.25 connection to the internet via an ancient UNISYS unix
minicomputer with a more common CISCO router ethernet connect primarily
connected through two Pentium Linux machines.

The problem: Kermit 'dies' when it uses its telnet connection to one of these
Linux machines.  This does NOT occur when telnetting to the UNISYS, Sequent
or Interactive Unix machines.  It also does NOT occur if I use NCSA's telnet
instead of Kermit.

Having exhausted all the likely paramaters changes to Kermit's mskermit.ini
file and making numerous change attempts to our Linux files, it have been
unable to find a solution.  I HAVE determined that Linux is killing the
Kermit telnet session 'as if by a cron'.  It kills the session precisely at
the same *second* on the Linux box each time.  (I reset the DOS-client
machine's time to see if this made any difference: NO.  I rebooted the Linux
box to see if the time-of-kill changed: YES.)

Having consulted with the BIG-LINUX listserv group, there were several
suggestions, but none that worked.  The Linux gurus seemed to suggest that
either there is a bug in the Linux telnetd "keep-alive" code or that Kermit,
unlike NCSA telnet, is not sending the right signals to enable Linux's
telnet "keep-alive" code.

Since telnetting to our Linux PC's (our primary internet access) is critical
to our normal functioning, we must find a solution to this problem or be
forced to abandon Kermit 3.14 as our standard communication program.

Thanks in advance for any insights/solutions you may have.

       Bob Carroll, systems programmer  really@lava.net


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From: richter@conley.math.nwu.edu (Bill Richter)
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Subject: 28.8 baud modem on c-kermit?
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I'm running cku190 on a Sun over a 28.8 baud modem.  I'd like to be
able to put 
set speed 28800
in my .kermrc, and then I could use a script to log in.  Here's the
only thing that works, but it's tedious in keystrokes.  In my .kermrc

set speed 19200
connect

and then I type in 

atdt****
username
passwd

and then I get locked in to 28.8 baud somehow, but it's tedious.

Following the instructions in ckccfg.doc I tried (unsuccessfully)

make sun41gcc "KFLAGS=-DBPS_28800"






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From: Richard Pieri <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu>
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BR> I'm running cku190 on a Sun over a 28.8 baud modem.  I'd like to be
BR> able to put 
BR> set speed 28800

You cannot do it.  Sun does not support anything but the "even"
multiples of 2400/9600 (and I think the same applies to Kermit as well).
Try 'set speed 38400' instead; 38400 is the highest serial speed
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From: gossettf@email.uah.edu (Frank A. Gossett)
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Does anyone know how to generate the key sequence:

	[CTRL] + [SHIFT] + [6], [x]

...Meaning, hold [ctrl] and [shift] down while pressing 6.  Then
release all pressed keys and press the [x] key.  It generates some
kind of break sequence that allows me to interrupt a reverse telnet
session to a modem on an Access Server so that I may disconnect from
the modem.

Frank Gossett
University of Alabama in Huntsville

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From: really@lava.net
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Subject: Re: Telnet to Linux Hangs
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On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Jeffrey Altman wrote:

> I'm sure that Joe will respond to you with much more detail about
> the MS-DOS Kermit tcp/ip stack.  However, I do have a question?
> 
> Have you tried using C-Kermit to one of the Linux boxes?  
> Does it have the same problem?
> 
> What are the conditions of the disconnect?  
> 2 hours of no data transmission?  If so, then this would indicate that there
> might be a problem with the "keep-alive" timeouts.  If you get some disconnect
> at some random point in time, then the problem is something other than
> "keep-alives".
> 

The disconnect (MSKermit lockup) occurs after approximately 5 minutes 
(never less than 4 minutes and never more than 6 minutes.)  The session dies
exactly at the same second each time (e.g., if a session starts at 11:02:00,
that session might die at say 11:06:32, if I try again with a session 
starting at 11:15:49, this session might die at 11:20:32, if I try once 
again at 12:22:22, it typically would die at 12:27:32.  Each time when the
session dies, I can alt/X to get back to the MSKermit prompt, but then a 
'q'uit response locks up my PC requiring a reboot.

C-Kermit 5A(190) telnetting from our Sequent unix machine to either Linux
box does NOT cause similar timeouts.  Neither does any other telnetting
method from PC-to-unix or unix-to-unix. 

       Bob Carroll really@lava.net



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From: richter@pythagoras.math.nwu.edu (Bill Richter)
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  BR> I'm running cku190 on a Sun over a 28.8 baud modem.  I'd like to
  BR> be able to put set speed 28800

I see now this was a dumb idea, I want the speed between my computer
and the modem to be faster than the speed used between the modems.

  Richard> You cannot do it.  Try `set speed 38400' instead; 38400 is
  Richard> the highest serial speed supported by Sun.

Thanks, Richard, and to Jeff Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>
and Robert Bonomi <bonomi@delta.eecs.nwu.edu>, who explained the
cryptic terminology of the ckuker documentation.  I need in my .kermrc

set speed 38400
set dial speed-matching off 

because the default is SPEED-MATCHING ON, favoring the older modems,
which don't support compression and "match" the local interface speed
to be exactly equal to the modem connection rate.

SPEED-MATCHING OFF means that we'll throw data at the modem at 38.4
(the "interface speed"), compress it on end, send it across the
physical modem at "modulation speed" of 28.8, uncompress the data on
the other end for a higher perceived transmission speed.  And we'll
"lock the interface speed" as high as Sun will allow (38.4), and not
match (or dumb down to) the modem speed.

So data will travel between computers at speeds between 28.8 and 34.4:
the upcoming compressed emacs-19.32.tar.gz will travel at 28.8, but
that's a lot better than the 19.2 that I had the modem set on. 


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Telnet to Linux Hangs
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In article <4rsi4b$1vl@mochi.lava.net>, really@lava.net (Geckos'R'Us) writes:
> Aloha tekkies,
> 
> We have a mixed environment of several flavors of unix and netware mostly
> talking TCP/IP but also with modem dialups and serial port connections.
> We have tried to standardize on Kermit 3.14 as our terminal emulator because
> (1) it can handle TCP/IP, direct connections and modem dialups, (2) it has
> a lot of nice features we like (3) it is fairly customizable and of course
> (4) other than documentation and setup, it is basically free.
> 
> We use the Crynware Packet drivers to enable PC TCP/IP connections to our
> unix/novell systems.  This worked well UNTIL we decided to replace our
> outmoded X.25 connection to the internet via an ancient UNISYS unix
> minicomputer with a more common CISCO router ethernet connect primarily
> connected through two Pentium Linux machines.
> 
> The problem: Kermit 'dies' when it uses its telnet connection to one of these
> Linux machines.  This does NOT occur when telnetting to the UNISYS, Sequent
> or Interactive Unix machines.  It also does NOT occur if I use NCSA's telnet
> instead of Kermit.
> 
> Having exhausted all the likely paramaters changes to Kermit's mskermit.ini
> file and making numerous change attempts to our Linux files, it have been
> unable to find a solution.  I HAVE determined that Linux is killing the
> Kermit telnet session 'as if by a cron'.  It kills the session precisely at
> the same *second* on the Linux box each time.  (I reset the DOS-client
> machine's time to see if this made any difference: NO.  I rebooted the Linux
> box to see if the time-of-kill changed: YES.)
> 
> Having consulted with the BIG-LINUX listserv group, there were several
> suggestions, but none that worked.  The Linux gurus seemed to suggest that
> either there is a bug in the Linux telnetd "keep-alive" code or that Kermit,
> unlike NCSA telnet, is not sending the right signals to enable Linux's
> telnet "keep-alive" code.
> 
> Since telnetting to our Linux PC's (our primary internet access) is critical
> to our normal functioning, we must find a solution to this problem or be
> forced to abandon Kermit 3.14 as our standard communication program.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any insights/solutions you may have.
> 
>        Bob Carroll, systems programmer  really@lava.net
---------
	Yes, there is a bug in the MS-DOS Kermit keepalive code, in v3.14.
Yes, Linux is loaded with bugs too.
	This and other problems are "solved" in MSK v3.15/development. We
will announce an open testing period as development continues on MSK 3.15
so watch this News group for the notice. 
	Please keep in mind this will be a fluid development environment so 
please don't become locked into the test material. However, the more beating
on it the better, as IBM and MS have demonstrated over the past couple of 
years. I have a busy travel schedule this month so reports will likely stack 
up without response until I get a chance to go through each report in detail.
	Joe D.

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From: dbrownd@phoenix.net (Damon Brownd)
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In article <4rui2k$ok4@info.uah.edu>, gossettf@email.uah.edu (Frank A. Gossett) wrote:
>Does anyone know how to generate the key sequence:
>
>        [CTRL] + [SHIFT] + [6], [x]
>
>....Meaning, hold [ctrl] and [shift] down while pressing 6.  Then
>release all pressed keys and press the [x] key.  It generates some
>kind of break sequence that allows me to interrupt a reverse telnet
>session to a modem on an Access Server so that I may disconnect from
>the modem.
>

Try kermit's "show key" command.  Based on what I got by doing that in 
K95, it appears that you should "output \30x" to send that character 
sequence.

I hope this helps.

Damon Brownd
dbrownd@phoenix.net
I am the world's foremost authority... on my own opinion.

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Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.5
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Does the W95 version --or any version-- handle talking to TCP/IP via
winsock?

-- 
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In article <1996Jul9.182244.6229@hartwick.edu>,
Dick Wisan <wisanr@hartwick.edu> wrote:
: Does the W95 version --or any version-- handle talking to TCP/IP via
: winsock?
: 
Yes: 32-bit Winsock implementations only, on Windows 95 or NT.  See the
Kermit 95 Web page for details:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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From: "Matthew K. Abbas" <mkabbas@cowboy.net>
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 07:53:48 -0500
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I have been about 50% successful using K95 on WinNT to send and receive
text files to an HP48.  Our office recently made the move to NT and I got
drug into this.  I use an HP48 with TDS software for Land Surveying and in
the past I was able to use the software provided (which uses Kermit for
DOS).  Now because of NT's ways I have to try and use K95.  My problem is
that I can send files from the HP to NT, but I cannot send files to the
HP.  I have set the file type to text and have manually set the interrupt
and I/O in NT for the com1.  The only thing different when using Kermit
for DOS is that it detects Text CP437?  Any help would be much appreciated
as rebooting to DOS and not being connected to my network is getting real
old.

Matthew

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: 28.8 baud modem on c-kermit?
Date: 10 Jul 1996 16:37:35 GMT
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In article <x7raql1nx2.fsf@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu>,
Richard Pieri  <ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu> wrote:
: >>>>> "BR" == Bill Richter <richter@conley.math.nwu.edu> writes:
: BR> I'm running cku190 on a Sun over a 28.8 baud modem.  I'd like to be
: BR> able to put 
: BR> set speed 28800
: 
: You cannot do it.  Sun does not support anything but the "even"
: multiples of 2400/9600 (and I think the same applies to Kermit as well).
: Try 'set speed 38400' instead; 38400 is the highest serial speed
: supported by Sun.
: 
Right.  C-Kermit uses the device drivers of the underlying operating
system.  If the operating system does not support a particular serial
speed, there is no way that C-Kermit can support it.  In UNIX, you can
find a list of the serial speeds supported by your UNIX version by
locating the header file that contains the "baud" rate definitions.  You
can usually find it like this:

  cd /usr/include
  grep B9600 *.h sys/*.h

Once you've found the file, look in it for the list.  If you find any
speeds in it that are not supported by C-Kermit, let me know.

Meanwhile, the original question is answered in item 17 of the Kermit FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: K95 and WinNT for HP48
Date: 10 Jul 1996 16:42:35 GMT
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In article <01bb6e5e.d67b3300$fa8992cc@ns.cowboy.net>,
Matthew K. Abbas <mkabbas@cowboy.net> wrote:
: I have been about 50% successful using K95 on WinNT to send and receive
: text files to an HP48.  Our office recently made the move to NT and I got
: drug into this.  I use an HP48 with TDS software for Land Surveying and in
: the past I was able to use the software provided (which uses Kermit for
: DOS).  Now because of NT's ways I have to try and use K95.  My problem is
: that I can send files from the HP to NT, but I cannot send files to the
: HP.  I have set the file type to text and have manually set the interrupt
: and I/O in NT for the com1.  The only thing different when using Kermit
: for DOS is that it detects Text CP437?  Any help would be much appreciated
: as rebooting to DOS and not being connected to my network is getting real
: old.
: 
Try telling Kermit 95 to "set send pause 500".  That means, pause 500
milliseconds (i.e. half a second) before sending each packet.  Vary the
number up or down till it works.  You might also need to go to a very short
packet length.  Use "set send packet-length 40" for this -- again, vary the
number up or down till you get the optimum results.  Also, I've heard
varying reports about the HP-48's ability to do flow control.  Try "set flow
xon/xoff" (this works in Windows NT, but not in Windows 95 due to a bug in
Windows 95) and if that doesn't work, "set flow none".  With no flow control,
the first two items (pause and packet length) become very important.

- Frank

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Planning for the calendar turnover is a hot topic now.
Here is a rundown on the status of the various flavors of K-370.

CMS - for releases before the current one (4.3.1), there are no known
	problems.  Kermit correctly reports the date of a file in the
	beginning of the next century (by assuming any year less than 50
	is 20YY instead of 19YY).  With 4.3.1, the reporting still works
	fine, but there is an added complication: the date/time stamp
	for a newly uploaded file is set from the stamp sent by the
	other Kermit.  This will probably not work correctly after 2000.
	Version 4.3.2 (now in beta testing) offers a fix for systems
	without SFS, but the complete solution must wait until the CMS
	interface for setting arbitrary dates is updated by IBM.  (Real
	Soon Now.)

TSO - no known problems, except that after 2000, the date reported may
	be the CREATION date instead of the MODIFICATION date.  This
	is fixed in 4.3.2 (also in beta testing).

MUSIC - no known problems.

CICS - no known problems.

					John Chandler



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Subject: Re: K95 and WinNT for HP48
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In article <4s0mhr$pgr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <01bb6e5e.d67b3300$fa8992cc@ns.cowboy.net>,
>Matthew K. Abbas <mkabbas@cowboy.net> wrote:
>: I have been about 50% successful using K95 on WinNT to send and receive
>: text files to an HP48.  
[..]
>: My problem is
>: that I can send files from the HP to NT, but I cannot send files to the
>: HP.
[..]
>Try telling Kermit 95 to "set send pause 500".  That means, pause 500
>milliseconds (i.e. half a second) before sending each packet.  Vary the
>number up or down till it works.  You might also need to go to a very short
>packet length.  Use "set send packet-length 40" for this -- again, vary the
>number up or down till you get the optimum results.  Also, I've heard
>varying reports about the HP-48's ability to do flow control.  Try "set flow
>xon/xoff" (this works in Windows NT, but not in Windows 95 due to a bug in
>Windows 95) and if that doesn't work, "set flow none".  With no flow control,
>the first two items (pause and packet length) become very important.

One more thing to try is SET CON P ALL on the k95 end.  I have found
that the HP must have all control characters prefixed.  Not real sure
if this would cause your problem sending text files. I had this problem
with hp48 and mskermit sending binary files.



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Frank said (loosely paraphrased):
	You could gain fame and honor by running a loop of show key, and
	recording all of the responses.

So, I thinks to mice-elf, I could use some honor.

I went to K95, started a loop of showkey, and as each screen filled, I did a
cut and paste to a WordPad document.

I went all through the normal keyboard, did the shifted, and as I started
the control, I realized that I wasn't even a quarter of the way done.
Now I might have been bored, but not that bored.
Untouched, shift, ctrl, alt, ctrl-alt, shift-alt, ctrl-shif...

Hmm.  Certainly some Microsoft document, or keyboard manufacturers
document, lists all of the codes?

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                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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In article <4s3bnd$gut@samba.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold  <dold@rahul.net> wrote:
: Frank said (loosely paraphrased):
: 	You could gain fame and honor by running a loop of show key, and
: 	recording all of the responses.
: 
: So, I thinks to mice-elf, I could use some honor.
: 
: I went to K95, started a loop of showkey, and as each screen filled, I did a
: cut and paste to a WordPad document.
: 
: I went all through the normal keyboard, did the shifted, and as I started
: the control, I realized that I wasn't even a quarter of the way done.
: Now I might have been bored, but not that bored.
: Untouched, shift, ctrl, alt, ctrl-alt, shift-alt, ctrl-shif...
: 
: Hmm.  Certainly some Microsoft document, or keyboard manufacturers
: document, lists all of the codes?
: 
OK OK...  In version 1.1.6, which we will issue within a few days to correct
a couple small problems with 1.1.5, we will also add a command that lets
you dump your key settings in the current mode.  So, for example, you can:

  set key clear              ; Clear all key definitions
  set mskermit keycodes on   ; Use MS-DOS Kermit scancodes
  take oldfile.ini           ; An MS-DOS Kermit key settings file
  set mskermit keycodes off  ; Switch to Windows scancodes
  save keymap newfile.ini    ; Now it's converted to Windows scancodes

Better?

- Frank

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Greetings:

How easy is it to augment existing modem scripts to work with newer
modems?  I have a AT&T compatible PCMCIA modem and have tried to
adjust the dataport.scr (which is suppose to be AT& T compatible) that
comes with Kermit ver 3.14 for DOS with little success.  Any help
available here?

TIA


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In article <4s3ejv$vl0@trellis.wwnet.com>,  <brewman@mail.wwnet.com> wrote:
: How easy is it to augment existing modem scripts to work with newer
: modems?  I have a AT&T compatible PCMCIA modem and have tried to
: adjust the dataport.scr (which is suppose to be AT& T compatible) that
: comes with Kermit ver 3.14 for DOS with little success.  Any help
: available here?
: 
It's easy.  The model script file is profusely commented so it's easy to
see what each line is for.  Usually all you have to do is replace the
modem-specific commands from the model script with the corresponding
commands for your new modem, and of course, save the edited file under a
new name.  It should take about 10 minutes, assuming you have a manual for
your modem so you can find out what its commands are.  Also, bear in mind
that \13 is the carriage return that terminates a command, and not part of
the command itself.  Also bear in mind that if a modem command contains a
backslash, you'll need to write it as \92 (there are lots of examples of
this in the DATAPORT.SCR file).

If you have trouble, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu.  When you
get your script working, send it in and we'll add it to the collection.

- Frank

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Subject: PPP in DOS
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I'm a bit confused about using PPP from DOS with MS-Kermit.
Where do I get it? How do I configure it? Does it interfere with
WinSock?

        Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier
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From: vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA)
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When I used Kermit on MCI Mail with NightOwl MeX, I never
had confusion on CR/CRLF. But I also used VEdit instead
of GNU Emacs. Is there a setting on MS Kermit to add
CRs on transmission so I don't have to keep running utilities?

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From: puff@mercury.interpath.com (Pat Fogarty)
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In article <omohlx58ee.fsf@tees.cs.ualberta.ca>,
Vladimir Alexiev  <vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca> wrote:

			[snip]

>Yes, mine is an old XT286, and I presume it has a 1-byte UART (and so
>thinks kermit). My modem is set to 38.8k baud, although they say I need
>57.4k baud when compression is used, but I don't think it can achieve much
>more than 14.4k with zipped files.

I found on my 286 (braindead UART) that port speeds greater
than 19200 caused errors.

Trying modem compression at 14400 with a 19200 port speed
actually cuts performance. A 9600 actually runs faster than 
the 14400 under some conditions.


Pat

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <4s546a$au6@amanda.dorsai.org>,
Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA <vjp2@dorsai.org> wrote:
: 
: When I used Kermit on MCI Mail with NightOwl MeX, I never
: had confusion on CR/CRLF. But I also used VEdit instead
: of GNU Emacs. Is there a setting on MS Kermit to add
: CRs on transmission so I don't have to keep running utilities?
: 
As explained on page 75 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit", it is SET TERMINAL
NEWLINE-MODE ON.

- Frank

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From: zorin1@ix.netcom.com (Zorin)
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The problem I am having "I thinks" is a scrolling problem.  I did not have 
this problem with 1.1.4 but only after I patched it to 1.1.5.  It seems when I 
telnet to an SCO machine and try to vi a file that the screen is not updated 
correctly.  If I hit 'o' in vi to add a new blank line nothing moves down, I 
end up typing over what was currenly on the line.  If I save the file and 
re-edit it, the file looks correct, so it seems that 1.1.5 has a scrolling 
problem.  Anyone know how to fix this of do I need to go back to 1.1.4?

Thanks

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From: gossettf@email.uah.edu (Frank A. Gossett)
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Subject: OUTPUT stmt not functioning after  telnet (in script)
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Hello,

The following code creates a hang after the telnet execution.

;
telnet \m(server_ip)\13
input 60 Password:
output \m(passwd_login)\13
input 60 >
output enable\13
input 60 Password:
output \m(passwd_enable)\13
input 60 #
;

A connection is made to the remote host and a password prompt is received.
However, the input statement times out.  I had an askq statement after
the telnet statement in an earlier code version and when terminate the
remote session mannually the script would then execute the askq statement
(indicating that the output statement after the telnet was never
executed?).

Does the output statement work correctly with a network connection?

Any help would be most appreciated.

Regards,

Frank Gossett
gossettf@email.uah.edu

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: problems with 1.1.5 K95
Date: 12 Jul 1996 16:50:46 GMT
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In article <4s5qg5$2om@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
Zorin <zorin1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: The problem I am having "I thinks" is a scrolling problem.  I did not have
: this problem with 1.1.4 but only after I patched it to 1.1.5.  It seems when
: I telnet to an SCO machine and try to vi a file that the screen is not
: updated correctly.  If I hit 'o' in vi to add a new blank line nothing moves
: down, I end up typing over what was currenly on the line.  If I save the
: file and re-edit it, the file looks correct, so it seems that 1.1.5 has a
: scrolling problem.
: 
Yes.  It's a bug.  The workaround is to set Kermit 95's terminal type to
VT102, VT220, or VT320.  It will be fixed in version 1.1.6, which we will
issue within a few days to correct this and several other minor problems.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: OUTPUT stmt not functioning after  telnet (in script)
Date: 12 Jul 1996 16:58:57 GMT
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In article <4s5qu2$brn@info.uah.edu>,
Frank A. Gossett <gossettf@email.uah.edu> wrote:
: The following code creates a hang after the telnet execution.
:
: telnet \m(server_ip)\13
:
You don't need (and shouldn't have) a \13 here.  It's a command,
not a text string.  Furthermore, TELNET is not what you want.  It prevents
the rest of the script from executing.  This is covered in the manual.

: input 60 Password:
: output \m(passwd_login)\13
: input 60 >
: output enable\13
: input 60 Password:
: output \m(passwd_enable)\13
: input 60 #
: 
: A connection is made to the remote host and a password prompt is received.
: However, the input statement times out.  I had an askq statement after
: the telnet statement in an earlier code version and when terminate the
: remote session mannually the script would then execute the askq statement
: (indicating that the output statement after the telnet was never
: executed?).
: 
: Does the output statement work correctly with a network connection?
: 
You'll need to more specific about which Kermit program you are using, on
what platform, and which version of it.  In general, yes, the OUTPUT command
works on TELNET connections.  In C-Kermit versions 5A(190) and earlier, the
OUTPUT command had a couple bugs regarding long output strings, and strings
containing backslashes.

You should put IF FAILURE statements after your INPUT statements, instead of
going ahead even after one of them times out.  Try this:

  set host \m(server_ip)
  input 60 Password:
  if fail stop 1 No login password prompt.
  output \m(passwd_login)\13
  input 60 >
  if fail stop 1 No shell prompt
  output enable\13
  input 60 Password:
  if fail stop 1 No enable password prompt
  output \m(passwd_enable)\13
  input 60 #
  if fail stop 1 No enabled shell prompt
  connect

If this is MS-DOS Kermit rather than C-Kermit, use:

  set port tcp \m(server_ip)

rather than:

  set host \m(server_ip)

See the appropriate manual, "Using C-Kermit" or "Using MS-DOS Kermit" for
more information about script programming.

- Frank

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From: Andrew Sinclair <asinc@ios.bc.ca>
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Subject: kermit in half duplex
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I am trying to get two dos machines to communicate over a half duplex
line with kermit 3.13. I understand that there is a handoff character so
I should be able to do this.  Does anyone know how. I am using a pair of
rs422 line drivers which are controlled by the RTS signals. The
communication link is a single twisted pair. I am able to make this work
no problem with full duplex operation on two twisted pairs but I need to
use the half duplex setup for the final setup.

One pc is 100m under water and I want to be able to upload new source
code to it after deployment so kermit would be a perfect solution if
this could work.

Any help would be much appreciated.

asinc@ios.bc.ca

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: kermit in half duplex
Date: 13 Jul 1996 00:22:34 GMT
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In article <31E6D8DD.3D0D@ios.bc.ca>, Andrew Sinclair  <asinc@ios.bc.ca> wrote:
: I am trying to get two dos machines to communicate over a half duplex
: line with kermit 3.13.
:
The current version is 3.14.

: I understand that there is a handoff character so
: I should be able to do this.  Does anyone know how.
:
There is a section on half duplex communication in the manual, "Using
MS-DOS Kermit".

: I am using a pair of
: rs422 line drivers which are controlled by the RTS signals. The
: communication link is a single twisted pair. I am able to make this work
: no problem with full duplex operation on two twisted pairs but I need to
: use the half duplex setup for the final setup.
: 
: One pc is 100m under water and I want to be able to upload new source
: code to it after deployment so kermit would be a perfect solution if
: this could work.
: 
You mean, you have an RS-232 connection from the PC to the line driver,
and there is a single data wire between the two line drivers?  But as far
as Kermit is concerned, there are separate receive and send wires, right?

Of course, you could also have used regular modems for this job -- that
would have allowed full-duplex communication, which is much more efficient
for file transfer, allowing sliding windows and faster error recovery.

Well, MS-DOS Kermit was explicitly designed to work with half duplex modems,
so maybe all you need to do in that case is tell it to "set duplex half",
which makes it follow the original RS-232 specification for RTS and CTS 
as Request to Send and Clear to Send.  (Nowadays, RTS is more commonly used
as Ready to Receive.)

Failing that, you can use the following commands:

  set handshake cr
  set window 1
  set flow none

This says that the handshake character is Carriage Return (cr), which appears
at the end of each Kermit packet.  So each Kermit gives permission to the
other to transmit by sending a packet.

- Frank

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From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin)
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On 12 Jul 1996 04:59:48 -0400, vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos
Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani
Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) wrote:

>
>I'm a bit confused about using PPP from DOS with MS-Kermit.
>Where do I get it? How do I configure it? Does it interfere with
>WinSock?
>
>        Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier
>  BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind
>  -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}-
>         -(Composed offline at 18h01 07011096)-
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>                                                                          
It is possible to of SLIP and CSLIP connection from DOS with
MS-Kermit, but I can't find a good PPP DOS driver to work with
MS-Kermit. If my memory serve me right, the MS-Kermit does not
work with WinSock.

Cheers,
   --SAM



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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: PPP in DOS
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In article <31e740a1.3851780@news.zippo.com>, cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) writes:
> On 12 Jul 1996 04:59:48 -0400, vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos
> Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani
> Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) wrote:
> 
>>
>>I'm a bit confused about using PPP from DOS with MS-Kermit.
>>Where do I get it? How do I configure it? Does it interfere with
>>WinSock?
>>
>>        Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier
>>  BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind
>>  -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}-
>>         -(Composed offline at 18h01 07011096)-
>>---
>>þ CMPQwk #1.4þ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY
>>                                                                          
> It is possible to of SLIP and CSLIP connection from DOS with
> MS-Kermit, but I can't find a good PPP DOS driver to work with
> MS-Kermit. If my memory serve me right, the MS-Kermit does not
> work with WinSock.
------------
	Finding PPP drivers is pretty much up to the user. There is one
in the Packet Driver area of kermit.columbia.edu (dir is packet-driver)
and the same on my netlab2.usu.edu (dir is pktdrvr), in the ppp subdir
on both.
	Winsock is for pure Windows programs only, not for DOS programs.
Please do review the release notes with MS-DOS Kermit on the subject of
TCP/IP, and not that we strongly recommend not thinking about running
two or more TCP/IP stacks over the same board at the same time.
	Joe D.

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Telnet to Linux Hangs
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In article <Pine.BSI.3.91.960709114509.2658A-100000@malasada.lava.net>, really@lava.net writes:
> On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Jeffrey Altman wrote:
> 
>> I'm sure that Joe will respond to you with much more detail about
>> the MS-DOS Kermit tcp/ip stack.  However, I do have a question?
>> 
>> Have you tried using C-Kermit to one of the Linux boxes?  
>> Does it have the same problem?
>> 
>> What are the conditions of the disconnect?  
>> 2 hours of no data transmission?  If so, then this would indicate that there
>> might be a problem with the "keep-alive" timeouts.  If you get some disconnect
>> at some random point in time, then the problem is something other than
>> "keep-alives".
>> 
> 
> The disconnect (MSKermit lockup) occurs after approximately 5 minutes 
> (never less than 4 minutes and never more than 6 minutes.)  The session dies
> exactly at the same second each time (e.g., if a session starts at 11:02:00,
> that session might die at say 11:06:32, if I try again with a session 
> starting at 11:15:49, this session might die at 11:20:32, if I try once 
> again at 12:22:22, it typically would die at 12:27:32.  Each time when the
> session dies, I can alt/X to get back to the MSKermit prompt, but then a 
> 'q'uit response locks up my PC requiring a reboot.
> 
> C-Kermit 5A(190) telnetting from our Sequent unix machine to either Linux
> box does NOT cause similar timeouts.  Neither does any other telnetting
> method from PC-to-unix or unix-to-unix. 
> 
>        Bob Carroll really@lava.net
------------
	Sure looks like a keep-alive problem. If so it is likely fixed in
the next release (where have we heard that expression before?). MSK v3.15
will go to open beta testing shortly, changing as the last items are added
during the testing interval. Availability will be announced here.
	Joe D.

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  When I have to use half duplex I go to MS-Kermit> and type
  SET LOCAL-ECHO ON

  If nothing else works, you might try that.

  reflib@nist.gov

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <14JUL96.18100439@enh.nist.gov>,  <reflib@enh.nist.gov> wrote:
:   When I have to use half duplex I go to MS-Kermit> and type
:   SET LOCAL-ECHO ON
: 
The question was about a dedicated file-transfer link between two PCs.
SET LOCAL-ECHO ON affects only terminal emulation.

- Frank

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From: reflib@enh.nist.gov
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Subject: Re: Kermit in half duplex (was: kermit in half duplex)
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  Since the original poster of this message was from Canada, he might be
excused for that lower-case k; but we all owe Jim Henson's memory the
honor of gently reminding this community that Kermit is neither KERMIT
nor kermit.

  reflib@nist.gov

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I am looking for a telnet client which can emulate TVI-955. C-kermit was
suggested to me.

Does C-kermit emultate TVI-955? Alternately, how difficult would it be to
create a TVI-955 emulator and is this possible with C-kermit?

Thank you,

Andrew Pardoe



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In article <Pine.PCW.3.93.960715081455.8518B-100000@[128.95.126.82]>,
Andrew J. Pardoe <apardoe@u.washington.edu> wrote:
: I am looking for a telnet client which can emulate TVI-955. C-kermit was
: suggested to me.
: Does C-kermit emultate TVI-955? Alternately, how difficult would it be to
: create a TVI-955 emulator and is this possible with C-kermit?
: 
It depends on what kind of computer and operating system you want to run
the emulator on.  If it's Windows 95 or NT, we come close: TVI-950.  See the
Kermit Web site for more info:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

- Frank

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From: ami@sig.net (Ami Bar-Yadin)
Subject: Re: Scan Key for K95 ;-(
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On 11 Jul 1996 16:56:13 GMT, Clarence Dold <dold@rahul.net> wrote:

>Frank said (loosely paraphrased):
>	You could gain fame and honor by running a loop of show key, and
>	recording all of the responses.
>
>So, I thinks to mice-elf, I could use some honor.
>
>I went to K95, started a loop of showkey, and as each screen filled, I did a
>cut and paste to a WordPad document.

Actually with v1.1.5 you could have set a large command-screen
scrollback buffer (eg 10000 lines), and marked the entire thing at
once.


>I went all through the normal keyboard, did the shifted, and as I started
>the control, I realized that I wasn't even a quarter of the way done.
>Now I might have been bored, but not that bored.
>Untouched, shift, ctrl, alt, ctrl-alt, shift-alt, ctrl-shif...

That's almost all, just ctrl-shift-alt left :-)

>Hmm.  Certainly some Microsoft document, or keyboard manufacturers
>document, lists all of the codes?


That's what I said, too.  And it is.

If you have a 101-key keyboard, with three modifiers (alt, ctrl,
shift) that is 101 keys X 8 combinations = 808.  Actually you must
subtract Caps, and both Alt's, Shifts, and Ctrl's, and you will
probably not use the Print Screen, Scroll Lock, Pause, and Num Lock: A
total of 11 keys: 101 - 11 = 90; 90 x 8 = 720.


Most of the information is in Microsoft's winuser.h file, which is
part of their Visual C++ package but also probably in any other C or
C++ package supporting the Win32 API.  (I'm sure you know someone with
a Win95 C compiler.)  There is a section that defines a bunch of VK_
values.  These are Win95's Virtual Key values, which K95 uses as the
base value for its key values.

However, K95 does not use Win95's methods of indicating Alt, Ctrl,
etc.  I can only guess this is to maintain backwards compatibility,
but I'm not sure with what!

K95 takes an 8-bit base value and adds these flag bits to get the
16-bit value it uses as the key value:

#define KEY_SCAN      0x0100
#define KEY_SHIFT     0x0200
#define KEY_CTRL      0x0400
#define KEY_ALT       0x0800
#define KEY_ENHANCED  0x1000


When possible, K95 will use the ASCII value rather than a key's scan
code (the Win95 VK_ value).  When the scan code is used the KEY_SCAN
flag bit is set.  This makes Control combinations confusing.  For
example Control-C will have a K95 key value of 0x403 instead of 0x443:

    0x03   ASCII value of ^C
+ 0x0400   KEY_CTRL bit
========
  0x0403

    0x43   ASCII value of C
+ 0x0400   KEY_CTRL bit
========
  0x0443


the KEY_ENHANCED bit is used to distinguish keys available on 101-key
Enhanced keyboards.  For example, the 8/uparrow key on the numeric pad
vs the gray uparrow key in the cursor-T of an Enhanced keyboard.


K95 ignores the Num Lock state:  The numeric pad keys will produce the
same scan code regardless of the Num Lock state.


The punctuation characters on the digit keys in the main area of the
keyboard have their own "names" and their own base values:  So
Ctrl-shift-4 is called Ctrl-$ and is 0x0424 instead of 0x0634:

    0x24   ASCII value of $
+ 0x0400   KEY_CTRL bit
========
  0x0424

    0x34   ASCII value of 4
+ 0x0200   KEY_SHIFT bit
+ 0x0400   KEY_CTRL bit
========
  0x0634


The punctuation characters which have their own keys in the main area
of the keyboard are a bit weird.  Alt and Shift-Alt combination are
OK:  The ASCII values are used as base values and K95 prints their
name as "Alt-;", etc.  But the Ctrl and Shift-Ctrl combinations use
different base values and have these names:

 ;  0xBA  OEM.US.SemiColon
 =  0xBB  OEM.US.Equal
 ,  0xBC  OEM.US.Comma
 .  0xBE  OEM.US.Period
 /  0xBF  OEM.US.Slash
 '  0xDE  OEM.US.Quote

And their shifted characters are (same base values as non-shifted):

 :  0xBA  Shift-OEM.US.SemiColon
 +  0xBB  Shift-OEM.US.Equal
 ,  0xBC  Shift-OEM.US.Comma
 <  0xBE  Shift-OEM.US.Period
 ?  0xBF  Shift-OEM.US.Slash
 "  0xDE  Shift-OEM.US.Quote

Since ASCII has a ^\, the Control combinations of "\" and "|" are:
    0x1F  Ctrl-US (US is the ASCII mnemonic of ^\)
    0xDC  Ctrl-Shift-OEM.US.BackSlash
(the hex numbers are the base values, not the entire K95 key value)

ASCII also has a ^_, so the Control combinations of "-" and "_" are:
    0xBD  Ctrl-OEM.US.Subtract
    0x1C  Ctrl-FS (FS is the ASCII mnemonic of ^_)
(ditto)


The "/" on the numeric pad is called "gray-z" and has the KEY_ENHANCED
bit set. The others are called "multiply", "add", and "subtract", and
do not have the KEY_ENHANCED bit.


The "5" on the numeric pad is called "clear".


That's about everything I found out (actually someone sent me the
defines of the KEY_* bits, but might not want their name mentioned.)

Later,
--
Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@sig.net)

