From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 15 14:37:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27636 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA11147 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!cbgw1.att.com!cbgw2.att.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!inx3.inx.net!news From: rosenberg@ixc.net (Sean Rosenberg) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Configuring an Ethernet adaptor and kermit with packet drivers Date: 14 Jul 1996 21:46:09 GMT Organization: Free Net IXC Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4sbpr1$7pa@inx3.inx.net> Reply-To: rosenber@ixc.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3r-121.inx.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (beta 2) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.lans.ethernet:26774 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5573 I have an IBM PC XT 8088 that I put an 10baseT ethernet adaptor into. I am hving troble getting it to work with kermit using packet drivers. After I have installed the drivers and typed: C:\kermit -f mscutom.ini the computer complains: Resolving host address 198.70.48.2... Unable to ARP resolve gateway 198.70.48.1 Unable to connect to host ... Does any one have any ideas? Please help. Thanks, Sean Rosenberg From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 15 16:49:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18513 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14487 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!news From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PPP in DOS Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 23:00:12 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 47 Message-ID: <31e97873.15030061@news.zippo.com> References: <4s5464$au3@amanda.dorsai.org> <31e740a1.3851780@news.zippo.com> <1996Jul13.214359.82722@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.174.0.101 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On 13 Jul 96 21:43:59 MDT, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: >In article <31e740a1.3851780@news.zippo.com>, cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) writes: >> On 12 Jul 1996 04:59:48 -0400, vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos >> Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani >> Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) wrote: >> >>> >>>I'm a bit confused about using PPP from DOS with MS-Kermit. >>>Where do I get it? How do I configure it? Does it interfere with >>>WinSock? >>> >>> Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier >>> BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind >>> -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}- >>> -(Composed offline at 18h01 07011096)- >>>--- >>>þ CMPQwk #1.4þ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY >>> >> It is possible to of SLIP and CSLIP connection from DOS with >> MS-Kermit, but I can't find a good PPP DOS driver to work with >> MS-Kermit. If my memory serve me right, the MS-Kermit does not >> work with WinSock. >------------ > Finding PPP drivers is pretty much up to the user. There is one >in the Packet Driver area of kermit.columbia.edu (dir is packet-driver) >and the same on my netlab2.usu.edu (dir is pktdrvr), in the ppp subdir >on both. > Winsock is for pure Windows programs only, not for DOS programs. >Please do review the release notes with MS-DOS Kermit on the subject of >TCP/IP, and not that we strongly recommend not thinking about running >two or more TCP/IP stacks over the same board at the same time. > Joe D. Regarding the EtherPPP packet driver in above mentioned FTP site, I can not make it work with the MS-Kermit on my PC, through I can make it work with NCSA Telnet and a modified version of KA9Q Telnet which have build-in SLIP support. In fact, I once consider it incompatible with MS-Kermit: After the packet driver make the connection and receive the dynamic PPP allocated PPP address, I run the MS-Kermit and then telnet to my shell account, it always fail in the BOOTP phrase and can not receive the IP address of gateway, netmask etc. --SAM From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 00:37:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06794 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA26448 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PPP in DOS Message-ID: <1996Jul15.161427.82815@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Jul 96 16:14:27 MDT References: <4s5464$au3@amanda.dorsai.org> <31e740a1.3851780@news.zippo.com> <31e97873.15030061@news.zippo.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 57 In article <31e97873.15030061@news.zippo.com>, cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) writes: > On 13 Jul 96 21:43:59 MDT, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > >>In article <31e740a1.3851780@news.zippo.com>, cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) writes: >>> On 12 Jul 1996 04:59:48 -0400, vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos >>> Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani >>> Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>I'm a bit confused about using PPP from DOS with MS-Kermit. >>>>Where do I get it? How do I configure it? Does it interfere with >>>>WinSock? >>>> >>>> Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier >>>> BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind >>>> -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}- >>>> -(Composed offline at 18h01 07011096)- >>>>--- >>>>þ CMPQwk #1.4þ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY >>>> >>> It is possible to of SLIP and CSLIP connection from DOS with >>> MS-Kermit, but I can't find a good PPP DOS driver to work with >>> MS-Kermit. If my memory serve me right, the MS-Kermit does not >>> work with WinSock. >>------------ >> Finding PPP drivers is pretty much up to the user. There is one >>in the Packet Driver area of kermit.columbia.edu (dir is packet-driver) >>and the same on my netlab2.usu.edu (dir is pktdrvr), in the ppp subdir >>on both. >> Winsock is for pure Windows programs only, not for DOS programs. >>Please do review the release notes with MS-DOS Kermit on the subject of >>TCP/IP, and not that we strongly recommend not thinking about running >>two or more TCP/IP stacks over the same board at the same time. >> Joe D. > > Regarding the EtherPPP packet driver in above mentioned FTP site, > I can not make it work with the MS-Kermit on my PC, through I can > make it work with NCSA Telnet and a modified version of KA9Q > Telnet which have build-in SLIP support. In fact, I once consider > it incompatible with MS-Kermit: After the packet driver make the > connection and receive the dynamic PPP allocated PPP address, I > run the MS-Kermit and then telnet to my shell account, it always > fail in the BOOTP phrase and can not receive the IP address of > gateway, netmask etc. > > --SAM -------------- Once the PPP connection starts an IP number is provided back on the video screen (as I recall, dimmly). Use that number for the local machine and whatever is the other end as the gateway; it's a wire with one machine at each end, point to point. Bootp is probably trying to assign yet another IP number to the client and that makes no sense. I haven't touched EtherPPP for some time, but the last time I did it worked here with MSK. Previously it would hang the machine while loading itself. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 04:13:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA22882 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA00373 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Configuring an Ethernet adaptor and kermit with packet drivers Message-ID: <1996Jul15.165845.82822@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Jul 96 16:58:45 MDT References: <4sbpr1$7pa@inx3.inx.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 In article <4sbpr1$7pa@inx3.inx.net>, rosenberg@ixc.net (Sean Rosenberg) writes: > I have an IBM PC XT 8088 that I put an 10baseT ethernet adaptor into. I am > hving troble getting it to work with kermit using packet drivers. > > After I have installed the drivers and typed: > > C:\kermit -f mscutom.ini > > the computer complains: > > Resolving host address 198.70.48.2... > > Unable to ARP resolve gateway 198.70.48.1 > Unable to connect to host ------------- Either the entire setup isn't working for general IP connectivity issues, or you may have encountered the announced bug in MSK v3.14 which prevents comms between two Ethernet boards whose first three bytes of MAC address match between those boards. The latter is unpatchable and the cure is to try MSK v3.15 prerelease when we make it available shortly. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 13:33:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03525 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA01709 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for WICAT? Date: 16 Jul 1996 17:32:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4sgjnu$1l4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu For some reason this week we have received a number of requests for Kermit software for the WICAT computer, which as I dimly recall, dates from the early 1980s, and runs an operating system called WMCS (WICAT Multiuser Control System). We don't have a Kermit program for it, but it has always been rather common for people to write Kermit programs for "little" systems like this but never tell us about them -- and then years later somebody calls and asks for tech support, and that's how we find out about it :-) Anyway -- Does anybody out there remember the WICAT? Do you know of a Kermit program for it? If not, do you know what language it was most commonly programmed in? (Maybe one of the existing Kermit programs could be easily converted.) Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 14:39:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13301 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA03709 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.inc.net!newspump.sol.net!daily-planet.execpc.com!usenet From: kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.os.aos Subject: Re: C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta.026 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:40:19 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Lines: 20 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <31ebc695.10003655@news.execpc.com> References: <4pqc5n$gam@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: larch.execpc.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5578 comp.os.vms:131493 comp.os.aos:774 On 14 Jun 1996 00:36:07 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > >This is to announce a second Beta-test edit of C-Kermit 6.0.192 for UNIX, >VMS, AOS/VS, and (not quite Beta) the Apple Macintosh, hopefully to be >joined by several other operating systems along the way. The previous >general release of C-Kermit was 5A(190) in October 1994. The first 6.0.192 >Beta test was announced on May 19; the major new features of version 6.0.192 >were listed in that announcement. > We want to try out Kermit for AOS/VS and have downloaded it, but don't have a C compiler on our AOS/VS machine. Is our only choice to buy the compiler from DG? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: kustner@emjay.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 14:44:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13920 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA03856 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.os.aos Subject: Re: C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta.026 Date: 16 Jul 1996 18:44:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4sgnue$3od@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4pqc5n$gam@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <31ebc695.10003655@news.execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5579 comp.os.vms:131494 comp.os.aos:775 In article <31ebc695.10003655@news.execpc.com>, Tom Kustner wrote: : On 14 Jun 1996 00:36:07 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) : wrote: : >This is to announce a second Beta-test edit of C-Kermit 6.0.192 for UNIX, : >VMS, AOS/VS, and (not quite Beta) the Apple Macintosh, hopefully to be : >joined by several other operating systems along the way. The previous : >general release of C-Kermit was 5A(190) in October 1994. The first 6.0.192 : >Beta test was announced on May 19; the major new features of version 6.0.192 : >were listed in that announcement. : > : We want to try out Kermit for AOS/VS and have downloaded it, but don't : have a C compiler on our AOS/VS machine. Is our only choice to buy : the compiler from DG? : The binary is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file ckdker.pr. It was built on an MV2500 with AOS/VS-II 2.20.73. Please report testing results to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 14:59:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15623 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA04215 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!admaix.sunydutchess.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrtphba6.bnr.ca!brtph500.bnr.ca!news From: "Robert L. Mohrmann" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: Can input be saved to a variable? Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:01:54 -0400 Organization: Northern Telecom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <31EBD912.30C@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1pph72b.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.03 9000/712) I've got UNIX version 5A(188) Is there a way to save incoming characters on a communication line to a variable? I already know about: OPEN READ READ \%a Is there something like: INPUTVAR \%a ? Thanks in advance for any help. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 15:24:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18606 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA05059 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: Can input be saved to a variable? Date: 16 Jul 1996 19:24:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4sgq9a$4u1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31EBD912.30C@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31EBD912.30C@nt.com>, Robert L. Mohrmann wrote: : I've got UNIX version 5A(188) : : Is there a way to save incoming characters on : a communication line to a variable? : INPUTVAR \%a : The INPUT buffer is always available to you in the \v(input) variable. See pages 279-281 of "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 17:27:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06877 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA08283 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.corp.hp.com!isonews.bbn.hp.com!wwwcrc.swiss.hp.com!danielh From: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95. NT and "Telnet server" Date: 16 Jul 1996 19:21:03 GMT Organization: Swiss Response Center Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4sgq2v$322@hpber002.swiss.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hpber199.swiss.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.9] According the Kermit web pages, the new K95 version supports dialin over serial and TCP/IP. How exactly is this telnet server? - Will K95 sit on the telnet port and wait for a connection (similar to a NT service)? - Or is K95 started via an inetd-similar service? - Do I have manually start kermit to the host mode? - How does it compare to other telnet server (only) packages? I know that K95 is not primarly designed as a telnet server, but if it's solving my needs as a telnet server, it would be THE ideal tool for my environment. (I need to be able to login to an NT box over a serial connection and telnet to another box from there.. Unfortunately, the NT telnet program is a windows based application....) Regards Daniel -- Daniel Huber, OSC, Hewlett Packard Switzerland, HP8702, Telnet: 780 3247 SMTP: danielh@swiss.hp.com (Daniel_Huber@HP-Switzerland-om2.om.hp.com) TELNET: 780 3247 PHONE: +41 31 980 3247 FAX: +41 31 980 3390 If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? --- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Own --- From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 17:41:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10049 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA08595 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95. NT and "Telnet server" Date: 16 Jul 1996 21:41:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <4sh29j$8ch@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4sgq2v$322@hpber002.swiss.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4sgq2v$322@hpber002.swiss.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: : According the Kermit web pages, the new K95 version supports dialin over : serial and TCP/IP. How exactly is this telnet server? : : - Will K95 sit on the telnet port and wait for a connection (similar to a NT : service)? : Yes, but it is not an NT service. : - Or is K95 started via an inetd-similar service? : Yes. It comes with an inetd-like daemon that waits for incoming connections on a specified socket. Whenever a connection comes in, it starts up Kermit 95 in host mode on that socket, and then waits for another connection. : - Do I have manually start kermit to the host mode? : You have to start the daemon. There is a hostmode management program that does this and all the other tasks associated with managing host mode, user IDs, and so on. : - How does it compare to other telnet server (only) packages? : Somebody else would have to answer that. As far as I know, there IS no Telnet server for Windows 95. : I know that K95 is not primarly designed as a telnet server, but if it's : solving my needs as a telnet server, it would be THE ideal tool for my : environment. (I need to be able to login to an NT box over a serial : connection and telnet to another box from there.. Unfortunately, the NT : telnet program is a windows based application....) : So is Kermit 95 -- it just might not look that way :-) But no, I am sorry, Kermit 95 will not let you log in to your Windows system and then Telnet out from there. All you get is the menu, and all you can do is what is on the menu. The details are listed at our Web site, and you can even read the host-mode user manual there: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95host.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 09:29:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28296 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17557 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrtphba6.bnr.ca!brtph500.bnr.ca!news From: "Robert L. Mohrmann" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: Can input be saved to a variable? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:13:58 -0400 Organization: Northern Telecom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <31ECD906.1393@nt.com> References: <31EBD912.30C@nt.com> <4sgq9a$4u1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1pph72b.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.03 9000/712) Frank da Cruz wrote: > The INPUT buffer is always available to you in the \v(input) variable. > See pages 279-281 of "Using C-Kermit". Thanks alot, I have an old copy of your book "Kermit A File Transfer Protocol" and couldn't find it in there. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 10:33:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09526 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA19461 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Free Communication Software Date: 17 Jul 1996 14:33:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <4sitj8$j03@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4si5dt$r84@news.asiaonline.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Chinese Terminal Emulation, Kermit Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:92660 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5585 In article <4si5dt$r84@news.asiaonline.net>, Kenny Lau wrote: : Can someone pls advise me a Free DOS or Windows 3.1 communication : software that can redefine function keys and support Chinese display ? : We use it as a emulation software to connect PC to IBM RS/6000 in : VT220 mode. : MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is free for end use (there are restrictions on redistribution in the commercial arena), but we do ask that users purchase a copy of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (available in English, French, or German), to help support the Kermit Project (and, of course, to help you get the most out of the software). It works in DOS and Windows 3.x, and offers VT52, VT100, VT102, VT220, VT320, and ANSI emulation. You can redefine any key or key combination: F1, Ctrl-F1, Alt-F1, Shift-F1, Ctrl-Shift-F1, Alt-Shift-F1, Ctrl-Alt- Shift-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F1, and so on for all F keys, keypad keys, and all other keys. If you are using it in DOS, it supports Chinese terminal emulation if you are running ZWDOS (for GB encoding) or KCDOS (Big5 encoding); you don't need a special Chinese PC for this -- it also works on US, European, and other IBM PCs and compatibles. The underlying DOS version supplies the input method: BoPoMoFo, Chang-Jie, etc. I can't say whether or how Chinese terminal emulation works in Windows, but I suspect it will work OK if you have a Chinese version of Windows that displays a Chinese Code Page which uses GB or Big5 encoding in a DOS window, and supplies the corresponding input method. (If anybody has better information about using MS-DOS Kermit in Chinese Windows, I'd like to hear about it.) You can find out about MS-DOS Kermit, and all the other Kermit software programs, at the Kermit Web Site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ For more about Chinese (and Japanese, and Cyrillic, and Hebrew) terminal emulation, see the article on MS-DOS Kermit in Kermit News #6: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 14:54:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18401 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA25891 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!news From: Tero Nousiainen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 - server ending automatically? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:33:06 +0300 Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 24 Message-ID: <31ED23D2.4B8A@helsinki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: podeco3.pc.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (WinNT; I) My kermit is running on a data collection server waiting incoming calls. The calling computer has also a kermit, which asks my server to finish and to do some transfers. The server computer has a daily schedule: the kermit-server should end automatically at midnight to do some reportings. Nowadays the system is running on MS-kermit with server hh:mm:ss -capability. I try to convert the scripts for K95 to be running on WINNT3.51. K95 doesn't support the "server hh:mm:ss" - server until... I suppose I could manage the missing capability with set server idle-timeout of K95. The documentation describes the unit to be seconds. According to my experiences : value 200 for this setting ends server after 10 secs from starting the server, value 600 ends after about 20 secs, with value 3600 the server runs for 45 secs from the beginning. What is the real unit of the setting, or do I have some other setting wrong? My Kermit is K95 v. 1.1.5 (and 1.1.4) running on NT3.51WKS. best regards Tero Nousiainen tero.nousiainen@helsinki.fi From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 16:35:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05930 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA28575 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!inXS.uu.net!en.com!usenet From: DavidR Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Receive window full Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:24:33 -0400 Organization: Conley, Conitano & Assoc., Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <31ED4C00.495E@CCAi.attmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23-ts2.en.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (Win95; I) Just started upgrading from 5A(BETA) at a client site to 5A and keep receiving a "Receive window full" message everytime I try to GET a file. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 17:30:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13264 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA00740 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receive window full Date: 17 Jul 1996 21:30:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4sjm1a$mv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31ED4C00.495E@CCAi.attmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31ED4C00.495E@CCAi.attmail.com>, DavidR wrote: : Just started upgrading from 5A(BETA) at a client site to 5A and keep : receiving a "Receive window full" message everytime I try to GET a file. : Please send a more detailed report to kermit-support@columbia.edu. What version are you using, on what platform, on what kind of connection, same information about what's on the other end, etc etc. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 18:28:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19985 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 18:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03098 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 18:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.voicenet.com!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jefe From: jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) Subject: dos kermit w/windows woes Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:44:19 GMT Lines: 43 Sender: jefe@netcom16.netcom.com Ok, I'm desperate. I have isolated a problem with dos/kermit when running in a window (wfw 3.11). Here is my situation: I'm running IBM-PC kermit-MS version 2.32/A (DOS). I'm running a dos app which initiates kermit with a script file. The script file allocates com port 2, sets the speed to 57600 (or 9600 or whatever, doesn't matter at this moment). When the baud is set, it gives me a message 'UNIMPLEMENTED BAUD RATE'. If I ignore this, once connected, I get about a screen of text (from whatever I'm connected to) and then no more response, unless I hold down a key on the keyboard. For instance, I can type in a USER ID and hit return. I get no response, unless I hold down a key on the keyboard. In essence, I get a single character of response the host for every keypress I initiate. Ok, here's the kicker: If I TOUCH the port (com 2) through any normal windows app first, and just type anything in, AT, whatever, then exit the windows app, DOS kermit works fine. I set the port, set the baud rate, I get no error messages, and the connection works like a top. Here's what I've done (in a nutshell, and not necessarily in order): I've made flow control changes, both through kermit-dos and windows control panel/ports, and through the individual windows apps, I've changed baud rates (through all of the above) I've used different windows apps, such as PC-anywhare and TERMINAL (from accessories) and get the same results. It doesn't seem to matter what windows app I use, it seems to 'WAKE UP' the port for kermit in dos. Is this problem solvable? I would appreciate ANY responses, preferably via email, but responses here would be fine as I will be checking this newsgroup. Thanks in advance. Paul BTW: If any of this is unclear, please let me know and I will clarify any points I've made. Thanks again. -- ****************************************************************************** Thoughts by: Pablo (tm) Free Bob Kelly... ****************************************************************************** People tend not to like one who is always right; people truly hate one who really is... .mw From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 19:12:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25626 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA04284 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: dos kermit w/windows woes Date: 17 Jul 1996 23:11:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4sjrve$45m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Pablo wrote: : : Ok, I'm desperate. I have isolated a problem with dos/kermit : when running in a window (wfw 3.11). Here is my situation: I'm running : IBM-PC kermit-MS version 2.32/A (DOS). : Why? It's ancient. Try the current version, 3.14. See the Kermit Web page for details: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ : I'm running a dos app which initiates kermit with a script file. The : script file allocates com port 2, sets the speed to 57600 (or 9600 or : whatever, doesn't matter at this moment). When the baud is set, it gives : me a message 'UNIMPLEMENTED BAUD RATE'.... : Say no more. Get the current version and try it. If it doesn't work, read the KERMIT.BWR file that came with, explaining all about the PC communications foibles. Hint: your problem is mostly likely because the modem is set for RTS/CTS flow control and your "Model T" Kermit program came out before RTS/CTS was even invented as a full-duplex flow control method. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, of course, supports it. If, after installing the current version and reading the KERMIT.BWR file, you still have trouble, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu giving the details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 19:38:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29479 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA04834 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!news From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PPP in DOS Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:48:40 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 97 Message-ID: <31ec9f1b.808770@news.zippo.com> References: <4s5464$au3@amanda.dorsai.org> <31e740a1.3851780@news.zippo.com> <31e97873.15030061@news.zippo.com> <1996Jul15.161427.82815@cc.usu.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On 15 Jul 96 16:14:27 MDT, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: >In article <31e97873.15030061@news.zippo.com>, cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) writes: >> On 13 Jul 96 21:43:59 MDT, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: >> >>>In article <31e740a1.3851780@news.zippo.com>, cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) writes: >>>> On 12 Jul 1996 04:59:48 -0400, vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos >>>> Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani >>>> Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>I'm a bit confused about using PPP from DOS with MS-Kermit. >>>>>Where do I get it? How do I configure it? Does it interfere with >>>>>WinSock? >>>>> >>>>> Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier >>>>> BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind >>>>> -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}- >>>>> -(Composed offline at 18h01 07011096)- >>>>>--- >>>>>þ CMPQwk #1.4þ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY >>>>> >>>> It is possible to of SLIP and CSLIP connection from DOS with >>>> MS-Kermit, but I can't find a good PPP DOS driver to work with >>>> MS-Kermit. If my memory serve me right, the MS-Kermit does not >>>> work with WinSock. >>>------------ >>> Finding PPP drivers is pretty much up to the user. There is one >>>in the Packet Driver area of kermit.columbia.edu (dir is packet-driver) >>>and the same on my netlab2.usu.edu (dir is pktdrvr), in the ppp subdir >>>on both. >>> Winsock is for pure Windows programs only, not for DOS programs. >>>Please do review the release notes with MS-DOS Kermit on the subject of >>>TCP/IP, and not that we strongly recommend not thinking about running >>>two or more TCP/IP stacks over the same board at the same time. >>> Joe D. >> >> Regarding the EtherPPP packet driver in above mentioned FTP site, >> I can not make it work with the MS-Kermit on my PC, through I can >> make it work with NCSA Telnet and a modified version of KA9Q >> Telnet which have build-in SLIP support. In fact, I once consider >> it incompatible with MS-Kermit: After the packet driver make the >> connection and receive the dynamic PPP allocated PPP address, I >> run the MS-Kermit and then telnet to my shell account, it always >> fail in the BOOTP phrase and can not receive the IP address of >> gateway, netmask etc. >> >> --SAM >-------------- > Once the PPP connection starts an IP number is provided back >on the video screen (as I recall, dimmly). Use that number for the >local machine and whatever is the other end as the gateway; it's a >wire with one machine at each end, point to point. Bootp is probably >trying to assign yet another IP number to the client and that makes >no sense. > I haven't touched EtherPPP for some time, but the last time >I did it worked here with MSK. Previously it would hang the machine >while loading itself. > Joe D. ----------- Don't work in my case. It would create the telnet session. In order to find out the reason, I played following little experiment: I loaded the EtherPPP driver, then load the NCSA telnet and make a telnet session to my shell account. It works fine. I quit the NCSA telnet, then load it again. Once again I make a telnet session to my shell account, it also works fine. Then I quit the NCSA telnet and load MS-kermit by typing kermit, do NOTHING, then quit MS-kermit by typing quit. I load NCSA telnet, at this time the NCSA do not work and complain that it can not initialize the network layer. I also play the second experiment: I loaded the SLIP8250 SLIP driver, than run the MS-kermit and make a telnet session to my shell account, it works fine. I quit MS-Kermit, then run the KA9Q telnet and make a telnet session to my shell account, it also work. Then I quit KA9Q and run the MS-kermit to make a telnet session to my shell account. It also works fine. Noted that I never unload the SLIP8250 driver, when I switch between MS-kermit and KA9Q. I also do not unload the EtherPPP when I switch between MS-kermit and NCSA telnet. After loaded the EtherPPP, I have no problem to load the NCSA telnet and make the telnet session and then quit from it multiple times without unload the EtherPPP. >From the above experiments, it suggests something has be changed when the MS-Kermit is loaded and then be unloaded. It make me can not switch to NCSA if I run MS-kermit first. Since EtherPPP work with MS-kermit in your lab, so it may be caused by something in my particular software and hardware combination. It looks it is my time to give up my try to make PPP work in my PC once again. --SAM From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 22:41:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16556 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA08668 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jefe From: jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) Subject: Re: dos kermit w/windows woes Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <4sjrve$45m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 01:55:29 GMT Lines: 24 Sender: jefe@netcom11.netcom.com Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Say no more. Get the current version and try it. If it doesn't work, : read the KERMIT.BWR file that came with, explaining all about the PC : communications foibles. Hint: your problem is mostly likely because : the modem is set for RTS/CTS flow control and your "Model T" Kermit : program came out before RTS/CTS was even invented as a full-duplex : flow control method. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, of course, supports it. Excellent, I will try your suggestion. I had suspected flow control for a few moments this morning, and I did notice that my Kermit didn't have rts/cts, it only had xon/xoff, but not knowing enough about all of the communication 'foibles' I went on to other things. I really appreciate your help. Thanks again. : If, after installing the current version and reading the KERMIT.BWR file, : you still have trouble, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu giving : the details. Will do. Thanks much. -- ****************************************************************************** Thoughts by: Pablo (tm) Free Bob Kelly... ****************************************************************************** People tend not to like one who is always right; people truly hate one who really is... .mw From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 18 15:44:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21662 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA19678 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 1.1.6 now available for Windows 95 and NT Date: 18 Jul 1996 19:44:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 79 Message-ID: <4sm47f$j6s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Version 1.1.6 of Kermit 95 communications software for Windows 95 and NT is now available. In the time-honored tradition of odd and even numbered versions, this even-numbered version corrects several problems in the recently announced 1.1.5 version. If you have not used Kermit 95 before, visit our Web site for a tour: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Version 1.1.6 has the following new features: . A new SAVE KEYMAP command, handy not only for saving your current key map, but also for converting key mapping files between MS-DOS Kermit and Windows scan codes. . An improved dynamic packet-length algorithm for Kermit transfers, including a new "slow start" feature to aid in calibrating the capacity of the communication channel. . A more responsive dynamic timeout method for Kermit transfers. Version 1.1.6 corrects the following problems: . Bugs in Televideo emulation . SCOANSI and AT386 emulation too picky about Code Page . SCOANSI and AT386 emulation vs Latin-1 and line-drawing . VT100 (but not 102/220/320) reverse scrolling was broken in 1.1.5 . SET TERMINAL ESCAPE-CHARACTER DISABLED didn't work . SET TERMINAL COLOR ERASE CURRENT-COLOR didn't work . SET KEY commands were too slow in 1.1.5 . SET MSKERMIT KEYCODES ON did not work with some gray keys . SHOW KEY ALL did not show keys that had string definitions . Occasional data overruns on high-speed serial uploads . XYZMODEM transfer statistics were off . XYZMODEM file transfers gave incorrect status codes . XYZMODEM transfers made no transaction log entries . Cursor disappeared after Ctrl-C interruption of file transfer . K95 could not send a file that was already open . Accented and non-Roman letters in Registration name were garbled . Some Dialer File Transfer page items were spuriously grayed out . Array elements could not be used for file names . DIRECTORY command gave spurious error messages . TELNET negotiations were sometimes skipped . Text-to-PostScript converter TEXTPS.EXE was broken in version 1.1.5 See the new BUGS.DOC file for details. HOW TO GET IT The new release can be ordered in shrink-wrapped or bulk- or site-licensed form from Columbia University. All orders received starting today will be filled with version 1.1.6. Find ordering information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Current registered users of Kermit 95 can download the 1.1.6 upgrade patch from our BBS or from our ftp site: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/ or on the Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html Report problems with the patches to kermit-support@columbia.edu. WHAT'S NEXT Barring unforeseen circumstances, this will be the final console-mode-only release of Kermit 95, and also the final release that will work under Windows NT 3.xx. (Yes, that's what we said when we released 1.1.3 and 1.1.4.) (Yes, that's what we said when we released 1.1.5, but the changes in this release are primarily corrections to 1.1.5, to make it as solid as possible as we turn all efforts towards the GUI.) Frank da Cruz, Christine M. Gianone, Jeffrey E. Altman, Max Evarts, and Andy Newcomb The Kermit Project, Columbia University, New York City From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 18 21:48:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08986 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA26415 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!news From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Free Communication Software Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:32:49 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 55 Message-ID: <31eeab46.378927@news.zippo.com> References: <4si5dt$r84@news.asiaonline.net> <4sitj8$j03@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.174.0.114 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:92787 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5594 On 17 Jul 1996 14:33:12 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <4si5dt$r84@news.asiaonline.net>, >Kenny Lau wrote: >: Can someone pls advise me a Free DOS or Windows 3.1 communication >: software that can redefine function keys and support Chinese display ? >: We use it as a emulation software to connect PC to IBM RS/6000 in >: VT220 mode. >: >MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is free for end use (there are restrictions on >redistribution in the commercial arena), but we do ask that users purchase >a copy of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (available in English, French, >or German), to help support the Kermit Project (and, of course, to help >you get the most out of the software). > >It works in DOS and Windows 3.x, and offers VT52, VT100, VT102, VT220, >VT320, and ANSI emulation. You can redefine any key or key combination: >F1, Ctrl-F1, Alt-F1, Shift-F1, Ctrl-Shift-F1, Alt-Shift-F1, Ctrl-Alt- >Shift-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F1, and so on for all F keys, keypad keys, and all >other keys. > >If you are using it in DOS, it supports Chinese terminal emulation if you >are running ZWDOS (for GB encoding) or KCDOS (Big5 encoding); you don't >need a special Chinese PC for this -- it also works on US, European, and >other IBM PCs and compatibles. The underlying DOS version supplies the >input method: BoPoMoFo, Chang-Jie, etc. > >I can't say whether or how Chinese terminal emulation works in Windows, >but I suspect it will work OK if you have a Chinese version of Windows >that displays a Chinese Code Page which uses GB or Big5 encoding in a DOS >window, and supplies the corresponding input method. (If anybody has >better information about using MS-DOS Kermit in Chinese Windows, I'd like >to hear about it.) > >You can find out about MS-DOS Kermit, and all the other Kermit software >programs, at the Kermit Web Site: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ > >For more about Chinese (and Japanese, and Cyrillic, and Hebrew) terminal >emulation, see the article on MS-DOS Kermit in Kermit News #6: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html > >- Frank MS-Kermit does not display the Chinese Characters correctly in a DOS Window in Chinese Windows 3.11 (Big5 coding). the two-byte 8-bit characters are displayed a single-bye 8-bit charcters. But MS-Kermit does display Chinese Character correctly in DOS Window under Windows for Workgroup 3.11 with a CJK characters add-on (Unionway Double Byte Manager 4.0.). --SAM From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 00:24:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25790 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 00:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA29463 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 00:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!news.celestar.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!news.fibr.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!cbgw2.att.com!oucsboss!oak.cats.ohiou.edu!rc109092 From: rc109092@oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Richard Allen Coss) Subject: Redirecting standard out from the serial line X-Nntp-Posting-Host: oak.cats.ohiou.edu (rc109092) Message-ID: Sender: news@boss.cs.ohiou.edu (News Admin) X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Thu Jul 18 13:05:21 1996 Organization: Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:05:23 GMT Lines: 14 I'm using C-kermit on a linux system to communicate with the university's phone trafficking switch. I can make a connection query the switch and have my desired files scoll across the screen. Does anyone know If C-kermit has an option to redirect all incoming data from the serial port to a specified file elsewhere on the system? Richard Coss rcoss@agave.cns.ohiou.edu -- you win From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 08:24:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01310 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26453 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!mattp From: zorin1@ix.netcom.com (Zorin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 dailer does not work right with SCO ANSI Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 12:13:56 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4snu64$e93@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rvl-md1-03.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 19 7:13:56 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 I just got the new patch 1.1.6 and I have found a problem. I am using the dialer to connect to an SCO machine, I have set the term type to scoansi. But when I log into the machine k95 does not work right. But if I open a dos window and execute telnet and do: set terminal type scoansi then I 'telnet hostname' everything works rights. So what is the deal? I have a feeling that the Dialer is not setting the telnet up correctly for scoansi. Anyone have an idea of what I can try to do? One other things that has been really bugging me about k95 is that when I open up a telnet session from the Dialer and after I log out of the machine I was in I end back at a 'k95>' prompt. Is there a way to get the damn window to close after I exit out of the machine? Thanks From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 09:07:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07267 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA27212 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Redirecting standard out from the serial line Date: 19 Jul 1996 13:07:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4so1ao$8jd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Richard Allen Coss wrote: : I'm using C-kermit on a linux system to communicate with the : university's phone trafficking switch. I can make a connection : query the switch and have my desired files scoll across the screen. : Does anyone know If C-kermit has an option to redirect all incoming : data from the serial port to a specified file elsewhere on the system? : As explained in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", use LOG SESSION for this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 09:10:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07567 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA27260 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Free Communication Software Date: 19 Jul 1996 13:10:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4so1fq$8m0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4si5dt$r84@news.asiaonline.net> <4sitj8$j03@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <31eeab46.378927@news.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:92818 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5598 In article <31eeab46.378927@news.zippo.com>, SAM, Chi-Kin wrote: : MS-Kermit does not display the Chinese Characters correctly in a : DOS Window in Chinese Windows 3.11 (Big5 coding). the two-byte : 8-bit characters are displayed a single-bye 8-bit charcters. But : MS-Kermit does display Chinese Character correctly in DOS Window : under Windows for Workgroup 3.11 with a CJK characters add-on : (Unionway Double Byte Manager 4.0.). : In Chinese Windows 3.11, did you tell Kermit to: set parity none set terminal bytesize 8 set terminal character-set transparent - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 09:42:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12534 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA27723 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 dailer does not work right with SCO ANSI Date: 19 Jul 1996 13:42:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4so3cc$9j2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4snu64$e93@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4snu64$e93@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, Zorin wrote: : I just got the new patch 1.1.6 and I have found a problem. I am using the : dialer to connect to an SCO machine, I have set the term type to scoansi. : You mean in the terminal emulation page of the Dialer notebook for this entry? : But when I log into the machine k95 does not work right. But if I open a : dos window and execute telnet and do: set terminal type scoansi then I : 'telnet hostname' everything works rights. So what is the deal? I have a : feeling that the Dialer is not setting the telnet up correctly for scoansi. : Anyone have an idea of what I can try to do? : The terminal type is set properly to SCOANSI. However, there appears to be something else funny going on with the colors and the status line, which we will have to look at. Thanks for noticing. Stay tuned. : One other things that has been really bugging me about k95 is that when I : open up a telnet session from the Dialer and after I log out of the machine : I was in I end back at a 'k95>' prompt. Is there a way to get the damn : window to close after I exit out of the machine? : It depends on how you invoke Kermit 95. You can make act just like Telnet and exit when the connection closes by using the -J (uppercase) command-line option. See section 6.1 of the UPDATES.DOC file. The current TELNET.EXE and RLOGIN.EXE programs that come with K95 do this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 10:23:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16849 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA28319 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!hunter.premier.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!mattp From: zorin1@ix.netcom.com (Zorin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 dailer does not work right with SCO ANSI Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 14:03:05 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 51 Message-ID: <4so4ik$7oo@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> References: <4snu64$e93@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <4so3cc$9j2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rvl-md1-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 19 9:03:00 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 In article <4so3cc$9j2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <4snu64$e93@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, >Zorin wrote: >: I just got the new patch 1.1.6 and I have found a problem. I am using the >: dialer to connect to an SCO machine, I have set the term type to scoansi. >: >You mean in the terminal emulation page of the Dialer notebook for this >entry? yes that is what I meant. I do everything from the win95 dialer. > >: But when I log into the machine k95 does not work right. But if I open a >: dos window and execute telnet and do: set terminal type scoansi then I >: 'telnet hostname' everything works rights. So what is the deal? I have a >: feeling that the Dialer is not setting the telnet up correctly for scoansi. >: Anyone have an idea of what I can try to do? >: >The terminal type is set properly to SCOANSI. However, there appears to be >something else funny going on with the colors and the status line, which we >will have to look at. Thanks for noticing. Stay tuned. > one other thing that I have noticed is if I set the cursor to be a 'block' type that things also get screwed up, but if it is set to 'underline' it is fine. >: One other things that has been really bugging me about k95 is that when I >: open up a telnet session from the Dialer and after I log out of the machine >: I was in I end back at a 'k95>' prompt. Is there a way to get the damn >: window to close after I exit out of the machine? >: >It depends on how you invoke Kermit 95. You can make act just like Telnet >and exit when the connection closes by using the -J (uppercase) command-line >option. See section 6.1 of the UPDATES.DOC file. The current TELNET.EXE >and RLOGIN.EXE programs that come with K95 do this. > >- Frank I am invoking the telnet from the k95 dialer. So this is what I do, I go to the dialer click on a host that I want to telnet too. I click on it and the telnet screen opens. I log in and do my stuff then I do 'exit' from the unix server. The telnet session ends and I end up at a k95> prompt. Is there a way that I can get the whole window to close instead of getting back to the prompt? The other thing that I have noticed is that now when I exit from the K95> prompt that the program takes a very long time to close. It was not this slow with version 1.1.4. Matt From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 10:40:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20517 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA28699 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 dailer does not work right with SCO ANSI Date: 19 Jul 1996 14:40:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: <4so6o6$ap4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4snu64$e93@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <4so3cc$9j2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4so4ik$7oo@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4so4ik$7oo@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, Zorin wrote: : >The terminal type is set properly to SCOANSI. However, there appears to be : >something else funny going on with the colors and the status line, which we : >will have to look at. Thanks for noticing. Stay tuned. : : one other thing that I have noticed is if I set the cursor to be a 'block' : type that things also get screwed up, but if it is set to 'underline' it is : fine. : There is a bug. It probably applies to all ANSI terminal types: ANSI, SCOANSI, AT386, and Avatar. It has to do with the order in which the Dialer feeds commands to K95.EXE. Of course, we'll fix the bug. Meanwhile, you can work around it by changing some things in the Terminal page of the Dialer entry notebook: 1. Set the screen colors explicitly. Most notably, the terminal emulation screen should be "lgray" foreground and "black" background. 2. Set the Character Size to 8 bits. 3. Set the Character Set to transparent. 4. Set the Screen height to 25 (yes, 25). Even though 25 is not a choice, you can select 24 with the mouse, delete it, and type in 25. NOTE that SCOANSI emulation does NOT have a status line. It wants to use the full PC screen (which is normally 25 lines). There might still be a few glitches. : I am invoking the telnet from the k95 dialer. So this is what I do, I go to : the dialer click on a host that I want to telnet too. I click on it and the : telnet screen opens. I log in and do my stuff then I do 'exit' from the : unix server. The telnet session ends and I end up at a k95> prompt. Is : there a way that I can get the whole window to close instead of getting back : to the prompt? : Not when starting K95 this way. We'll have to add a new check box or something: "Exit on close". : The other thing that I have noticed is that now when I exit from the K95> : prompt that the program takes a very long time to close. It was not this : slow with version 1.1.4. : Depending on what you were doing, there might still be a bunch of threads that need to be terminated. The main thread has to wait for Windows to shut them down before exiting. We'll look and see if there is any way to speed this up. Thanks again for the reports. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 11:13:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24273 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA29518 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!news.idx.com!news From: "Jeannine Loftus" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can't transfer a file from a PC to a Vax; Record too big error Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:55:46 -0700 Organization: IDX Systems Corp Lines: 26 Message-ID: <01bb759b.82f69780$e7936bc0@loftus.idx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.107.147.231 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 We have a client who is getting an error message attempting to Kermit a file into the VAX %KERMIT32-EREC_TOO_BIG, record too big for kermits internal buffersst message. I raised bytlim in the authorization record(on teh VAX) and in the CKERMIT.SET file I raised the packet receive size from 128 to 512 bytes; ultimately raised this to 5000 and it's still not working. I have acopy of the error message the sender is receiving give the fiollowing: File name: chgc0715.dat as chgc071596.dat Kbytes transferred: 5 Percent transferred: 83% Sending: failed Number of Packets: 15 Packet length: 80 Number of retries: 1 last error: %KERMIT32-EREC_TOO_BIG, record too big for kermits internal buffersst message He is able to sucessfully transfer an ascii file of less than 5000 bytes. Any thoughts please reply to loftus@idx.com Thanks From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 11:54:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00582 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00176 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't transfer a file from a PC to a Vax; Record too big error Date: 19 Jul 1996 15:53:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4sob2b$csb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb759b.82f69780$e7936bc0@loftus.idx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb759b.82f69780$e7936bc0@loftus.idx.com>, Jeannine Loftus wrote: : We have a client who is getting an error message attempting to Kermit a : file into the VAX : %KERMIT32-EREC_TOO_BIG, record too big for kermits internal buffersst : message. : : I raised bytlim in the authorization record(on teh VAX) and in the : CKERMIT.SET file I raised the packet receive size from 128 to 512 bytes; : ultimately raised this to 5000 and it's still not working. I have acopy of : the error message the sender is receiving give the fiollowing: : The problem is you are using Kermit-32, not C-Kermit, so any changes you make to C-KERMIT initialization files won't do anything. The solution is to use C-Kermit instead of Kermit-32. In any case, it sounds like the file that is being uploaded is not an ordinary text (otherwise you would not have records that were longer than 32,767 characters), so it should be transferred in binary mode. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 12:48:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09507 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA01053 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!mattp From: zorin1@ix.netcom.com (Zorin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 dailer does not work right with SCO ANSI Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 16:39:20 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4sodnk$e3d@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> References: <4snu64$e93@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <4so3cc$9j2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4so4ik$7oo@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> <4so6o6$ap4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rvl-md1-15.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 19 9:39:16 AM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 In article <4so6o6$ap4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <4so4ik$7oo@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, >Zorin wrote: >There is a bug. It probably applies to all ANSI terminal types: ANSI, >SCOANSI, AT386, and Avatar. It has to do with the order in which the Dialer >feeds commands to K95.EXE. Of course, we'll fix the bug. Meanwhile, you can >work around it by changing some things in the Terminal page of the Dialer >entry notebook: > > 1. Set the screen colors explicitly. Most notably, the terminal emulation > screen should be "lgray" foreground and "black" background. > > 2. Set the Character Size to 8 bits. > > 3. Set the Character Set to transparent. > > 4. Set the Screen height to 25 (yes, 25). Even though 25 is not a choice, > you can select 24 with the mouse, delete it, and type in 25. NOTE that > SCOANSI emulation does NOT have a status line. It wants to use the full > PC screen (which is normally 25 lines). > >There might still be a few glitches. I tried what you said and it works kind of right now. The problem was that I needed to set the line to 25. I still do not get any color when I start the telnet session from the k95 dialer. The color works from the dos prompt when I run telnet. Got any ideas of how I can get the colors to work from the dialer? Is there any way that I can be a bata tester? It seems that not to many people use scoani. I am on of the few people that use it everyday. Thanks Matt From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 13:55:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18849 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA02073 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 dailer does not work right with SCO ANSI Date: 19 Jul 1996 17:54:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4soi5h$fbg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4snu64$e93@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <4so4ik$7oo@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> <4so6o6$ap4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4sodnk$e3d@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4sodnk$e3d@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>, Zorin wrote: : > 1. Set the screen colors explicitly. Most notably, the terminal emulation : > screen should be "lgray" foreground and "black" background. : > 2. Set the Character Size to 8 bits. : > 3. Set the Character Set to transparent. : > 4. Set the Screen height to 25 (yes, 25). Even though 25 is not a choice, : > you can select 24 with the mouse, delete it, and type in 25. NOTE that : > SCOANSI emulation does NOT have a status line. It wants to use the full : > PC screen (which is normally 25 lines). : : I tried what you said and it works kind of right now. The problem was that : I needed to set the line to 25. I still do not get any color when I start : the telnet session from the k95 dialer. The color works from the dos prompt : when I run telnet. Got any ideas of how I can get the colors to work from : the dialer? : Step 4 above is the crucial step. Note: all four of these steps apply to the Terminal notebook page in the Dialer entry. You should get colors if you do this. But note that the normal color SCOANSI is white (light gray) on black, and there is no status line because the host wants to control the 25th line. So unless and until the host sends some coloration escape sequences you won't see any color. Quick test: Alt-h to get the popup Help screen. If should be white on cyan (unless you changed it). By the way, you might be wondering what on earth the number of lines has to do with whether colors work or not. It's because of a bug in Windows 95 (not NT). If you try to write attributes (such as color) into a console window size that is not 25, 43, or 50 lines long and 80 columns wide, you get an invalid page fault in the Window 95 kernel. So Kermit 95, when running in Windows 95 (not NT) turns off attributes when the screen is not one of those sizes. This is described in the BUGS.DOC file, item 2. The problem you are witnessing comes because SCOANSI, unlike regular ANSI, actually WANTS to use 25 lines, so we have some confusion (our fault) about what "24" meaning "25" (when you include the status line) and really meaning "24" (when you don't). : Is there any way that I can be a bata tester? It seems that not to many : people use scoani. I am on of the few people that use it everyday. : We'll get in touch with you about this; thanks for the offer. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 18:35:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29712 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 18:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA06504 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 18:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!uunet!inXS.uu.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!forest!pcoen From: pcoen@forest.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 dialer/serial via phone system to DECserver Message-ID: <1996Jul19.143600.143931@forest> Date: 19 Jul 96 14:36:00 EST Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 21 We have a digital phone system that does 9600bps communications through an interface connected to the computer via a serial cable. I'm in the process of trying to figure out how we'd use Windows 95 with this (we've got a purchase order for an academic site license "in the channel"), but I'm running into a few snags. 1) The dialer *really* wants a phone number. That doesn't work here, since it isn't a "real" modem. You hit two buttons on the phone and it acts like a direct connection to a DECserver 2) I've tried "set modem none," but it generates an area when it tries to "dial," and then it won't go into CONNECT mode. I've tried using a script file to just throw it into connect mode, but it looks like the script won't run because the dial failed. Any suggestions? We really need to be able to use the dialer, since we have another system some folks connect to via the phone system with *very* different terminal settings, and we're in the process of networking the campus and don't want to have to re-train everyone twice. (Once to switch to K95, once to learn the "dialer" once their office is networked). From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 18:35:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29731 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 18:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA06507 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 18:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!inXS.uu.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!forest!pcoen From: pcoen@forest.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK to K95 script string question (with \) Message-ID: <1996Jul19.144659.143932@forest> Date: 19 Jul 96 14:46:59 EST Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 25 I'm trying to convert some old MS-Kermit scripts over to K95. We've got a system where you hit a key, it tells the remote system to send a macro file, Kermit runs the macro, and part of that macro prompts you for a destination filename, and then goes and gets the mail message (We have it tied into DEC's all-in-1 software) and puts it where you told it to. So, you'd be asked to enter, say C:\DOCS\TEST.TXT. Works with MS-Kermit (I didn't write the original script, by the way). It will work with K95 -- if you use / or \\ as the directory indicators. (And I can understand why). The problem is that my boss doesn't want us to have to retrain everyone for a special case. (We have a similar problem with the "upload a message" feature we did as well). The macro is doing: ask \%N {Filename for your computer or END:} it then checks to see if it equals end or if the file already exists. Is there any way I could re-format the string to add the second slash at each occurance in the user string? My instinct is to say "no," since I suspect that the single \ is treated as a special character and I can't look for it. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 19:51:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07015 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 19:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA07688 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 19:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!dendarii.demon.co.uk From: Michael Bernardi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with Novell Client32 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 18:49:42 GMT Organization: Miles' Minions Lines: 9 Message-ID: <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dendarii.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 X-Mail2News-Path: dendarii.demon.co.uk I've recently upgraded to the NEW Novell 32 Bit Client. This has just come out of beta, so I thought I'd try MS-Kermit with this new ODI interface. It failed:-(, will MS-Kermit be patched to allow this to work or did I do something stupid? I was using MS-Kermit 3.14. Mike -- The Bujold Nexus at http://www.herald.co.uk/~dendarii/ for lovers of SF and the work of Lois McMaster Bujold From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 20:15:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08521 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 20:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA08077 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 20:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Novell Client32 Date: 20 Jul 1996 00:14:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4sp8e1$pc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, Michael Bernardi wrote: : I've recently upgraded to the NEW Novell 32 Bit Client. This has just come : out of beta, so I thought I'd try MS-Kermit with this new ODI interface. : It failed:-(, will MS-Kermit be patched to allow this to work or did I do : something stupid? I was using MS-Kermit 3.14. Are you referring to the new 32 Bit Client for Windows or for DOS? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 20 07:50:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15588 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 07:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA09167 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 07:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!news.dorsai.org!news.dorsai.org!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Greek CP869 ELOT928 Date: 20 Jul 1996 03:33:51 -0400 Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC 11357-3436-287 USA Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4sq24v$26p@amanda.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: amanda.dorsai.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] SET FILE CHAR CP869 won't work on my MS-Kermit.. am I missing something? Is this what I need to use to read ELOT-928 web pages with Lynx? I can use it only for Kermit without making DOS-wide changes, right? -- Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bioengineer-Financier, NYC Bach-Mozart ReaganQuayleGramm Evrytano-Kastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFinanc&Indus [vjp2@mcimail.com , vjp2@CIS.CompuServe.Com, vjp2@dorsai.org] ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 20 23:24:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA18187 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 23:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA25266 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 23:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!news From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Free Communication Software Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 06:24:02 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 25 Message-ID: <31f07b68.1913641@news.zippo.com> References: <4si5dt$r84@news.asiaonline.net> <4sitj8$j03@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <31eeab46.378927@news.zippo.com> <4so1fq$8m0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.174.0.116 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:92900 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5611 On 19 Jul 1996 13:10:18 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <31eeab46.378927@news.zippo.com>, >SAM, Chi-Kin wrote: >: MS-Kermit does not display the Chinese Characters correctly in a >: DOS Window in Chinese Windows 3.11 (Big5 coding). the two-byte >: 8-bit characters are displayed a single-bye 8-bit charcters. But >: MS-Kermit does display Chinese Character correctly in DOS Window >: under Windows for Workgroup 3.11 with a CJK characters add-on >: (Unionway Double Byte Manager 4.0.). >: >In Chinese Windows 3.11, did you tell Kermit to: > > set parity none > set terminal bytesize 8 > set terminal character-set transparent > >- Frank Yes, I just double checked it, my default settings are just as what you recommanded. --SAM From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 01:29:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27179 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA27529 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!aranders From: aranders@iastate.edu (Arthur R Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: dial script for Telepath II v modem Date: 21 Jul 1996 04:08:19 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa USA Lines: 6 Sender: aranders@iastate.edu Message-ID: <4ssafj$5kn@news.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: isum1.iastate.edu Keywords: Telepath II v -- Arthur R Anderson aranders@iastate.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 06:38:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05406 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 06:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA21771 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 06:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inXS.uu.net!news.intergate.net!keystone.intergate.net!pdw From: pdw@keystone.intergate.net (Paul D. Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PPP in DOS Date: 21 Jul 1996 06:48:18 GMT Organization: none Lines: 41 Message-ID: <4ssjri$1f9@cornerstone.intergate.net> References: <4s5464$au3@amanda.dorsai.org> <31e97873.15030061@news.zippo.com> <1996Jul15.161427.82815@cc.usu.edu> <31ec9f1b.808770@news.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: intergate.net > >From the above experiments, it suggests something has be changed >when the MS-Kermit is loaded and then be unloaded. It make me can >not switch to NCSA if I run MS-kermit first. Since EtherPPP work >with MS-kermit in your lab, so it may be caused by something in >my particular software and hardware combination. It looks it is >my time to give up my try to make PPP work in my PC once again. > > --SAM > I was using EtherPPP with MS-Kermit last year and it worked quite well. I had a problem similar to what you describe when I tried to load programs that were written for SLIP packet drivers over the EtherPPP driver. Specifically, the version of NCSA telnet that was not modified for EtherPPP consistantly altered the memory image of the EtherPPP driver. Also DosLynx and a couple other DOS packet driver apps caused the same problem. MS-Kermit, however, worked very well once I got the setup. Here is a copy of the TCP settings I was using in the .ini file: set TCP gateway 165.113.169.131 ; ip of gateway set TCP primary-nameserver 165.113.169.5 ;ip of DNS set TCP subnet 255.255.255.0 set TCP broadcast 255.255.255.255 set TCP domain ldl.net ;host domain name set port TCP/IP dns.ldl.net ; host name set TCP address RARP ; ip address acquisition method Hope this helps. -pd -- =----------------------------------------------------------= pd wilson pdw@intergate.net http://www.intergate.net/uhtml/pdw/ =----------------------------------------------------------= From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 10:28:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16209 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25776 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK to K95 script string question (with \) Date: 21 Jul 1996 14:28:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 74 Message-ID: <4steq9$cs5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Jul19.144659.143932@forest> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Jul19.144659.143932@forest>, Paul Coen wrote: : I'm trying to convert some old MS-Kermit scripts over to K95. We've got : a system where you hit a key, it tells the remote system to send a macro : file, Kermit runs the macro, and part of that macro prompts you for : a destination filename, and then goes and gets the mail message (We have it : tied into DEC's all-in-1 software) and puts it where you told it to. : : So, you'd be asked to enter, say C:\DOCS\TEST.TXT. : : Works with MS-Kermit (I didn't write the original script, by the way). : : It will work with K95 -- if you use / or \\ as the directory indicators. : (And I can understand why). The problem is that my boss doesn't want us : to have to retrain everyone for a special case. (We have a similar : problem with the "upload a message" feature we did as well). : : The macro is doing: : : ask \%N {Filename for your computer or END:} : : it then checks to see if it equals end or if the file already exists. : : Is there any way I could re-format the string to add the second slash : at each occurance in the user string? My instinct is to say "no," since : I suspect that the single \ is treated as a special character and I can't : look for it. : Diagnosis correct. The fact that the Kermit script language's distinguished character, backslash, is the same as the directory separator in DOS, Windows, OS/2, etc, can be a headache. The ASK command doesn't do anything to the characters that the user types, so if the user typed "C:\DOCS\TEST.TXT", that's what the variable contains. The problem occurs when you *use* the variable. Whenever you refer to a variable, it is evaluated recursively, which USUALLY produces the desired effect. For example: define \%a some define \%b thing define \%c \%a\%b echo \%c displays "something" rather than "\%a\%b". If the variable is a DOS filename containing backslashes, the same thing happens, with the results depending on the character that follows each backslash. The trick is to tell your script to replace the variable by its literal definition, rather than evaluating it recursively. That is, the evaluation should go only one level deep. The method for doing this depends on which type of variable it is. If it's a "backslash" variable, like \%N, \%F[3], etc, then use: \fcontents(variable-name) For example: def \%f while not def \%f { ask \%f { Filename: } } echo The filename is \fcontents(\%f). send \fcontents(\%f) If it is a "long filename", do it this way: def filename while not def filename { ask filename { Filename: } } echo The filename is \m(filename). send \m(filename) You can find lots of examples of how to deal with DOS filenames in the HOSTMODE.KSC script in the Kermit 95 SCRIPTS directory. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 10:54:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19873 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26293 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Greek CP869 ELOT928 Date: 21 Jul 1996 14:53:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4stg9j$dap@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4sq24v$26p@amanda.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4sq24v$26p@amanda.dorsai.org>, Vasos Panagiotopoulos wrote: : SET FILE CHAR CP869 won't work on my MS-Kermit.. am I missing something? : Is this what I need to use to read ELOT-928 web pages with Lynx? : CP869 is the "new" Greek code page, superseding the old one, CP851. You'll need to load a Greek code page into your PC. The first thing you will notice is that Microsoft does not include a Greek code page with US versions of DOS or Windows, so you'll need to get a Greek "font" from the kermit/pcfonts directory at kermit.columbia.edu (credit: these fonts originated at the Technion in Israel; see docs for details of credit and installation instructions). Then load the Greek font. Our font collection presently includes CP851, but not CP869. If by happy coincidence the ELOT-928 Web pages are encoded in CP851, just tell MS-DOS Kermit to: set term bytesize 8 set term character-set transparent If, however, they are encoded in ISO Latin/Greek, DEC Greek, CP869, or some other character set, it would require the program to be changed to add Greek terminal emulation, which is as yet not built into MS-DOS Kermit. In that case, however, you can construct your own character-set translation map using: SET ; One of these for each character SET TRANSLATE INPUT ON as well as a series of SET KEY commands to set up the desired key map for entering Greek letters. If anybody wants to do this, feel free -- and if you want to contribute it for inclusion with MS-DOS Kermit, all the better. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 11:09:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21235 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 11:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA26738 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 11:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Greek CP869 ELOT928 Date: 21 Jul 1996 15:09:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 247 Message-ID: <4sth75$djk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4sq24v$26p@amanda.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4sq24v$26p@amanda.dorsai.org>, Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA wrote: : SET FILE CHAR CP869 won't work on my MS-Kermit.. am I missing something? : Is this what I need to use to read ELOT-928 web pages with Lynx? : I can use it only for Kermit without making DOS-wide changes, right? : Just after sending off my last reply I remembered some correspondence from last year with Ioannis Papadopoulos in Greece on this same subject. He offered the following information: 1. CP437 and CP850 code pages are being modified in Greece. The older machines have their orignal character set generator IC's replaced and the newer machines have special drivers to support greek characters. These modifications are made by dealers, in Greece. 2. The Hewlett Packard unix machine uses another standard, called ELOT-928 (ELOT is an acronym and means Greek Standards Organization) that is "trying" to become a standard not only in Greece but worldwide (as far as greek characters are concerned). And he offered the following translation table and keymap for accessing ELOT-928 applications. However, I don't know what the local code page is, or how it got there (see #1 above). ---(cut here)--- set terminal character ascii ; Use ascii terminal character set set parity none ; no parity set display 8 ; in the 8-bit environment set terminal vt320 ; Emulate DEC VT320 set terminal wrap on ; Tell Kermit to do line wrap set terminal controls 8-bit ; 8-bit terminal set flo xon/xoff set key \270 \127 ; Backspace sends Delete ;*********************************************** ; The characters received by the PC (from HP-UX) ;*********************************************** set translation input \176 \248 ; 0 set translation input \177 \241 ; 1 set translation input \178 \253 ; 2 set translation input \182 \234 ; uppercase alpha with accent set translation input \183 \249 ; 7 set translation input \184 \235 ; uppercase epsilon with accent set translation input \185 \236 ; uppercase eta with accent set translation input \186 \237 ; uppercase iota with accent set translation input \188 \238 ; uppercase omicron with accent set translation input \190 \239 ; uppercase upsilon with accent set translation input \191 \240 ; uppercase omega with accent set translation input \193 \128 ; uppercase alpha set translation input \194 \129 ; uppercase beta set translation input \195 \130 ; uppercase gamma set translation input \196 \131 ; uppercase delta set translation input \197 \132 ; uppercase epsilon set translation input \198 \133 ; uppercase zeta set translation input \199 \134 ; uppercase eta set translation input \200 \135 ; uppercase theta set translation input \201 \136 ; uppercase iota set translation input \202 \137 ; uppercase kappa set translation input \203 \138 ; uppercase lambda set translation input \204 \139 ; uppercase mu set translation input \205 \140 ; uppercase nu set translation input \206 \141 ; uppercase ksi set translation input \207 \142 ; uppercase omicron set translation input \208 \143 ; uppercase pi set translation input \209 \144 ; uppercase rho set translation input \211 \145 ; uppercase sigma set translation input \212 \146 ; uppercase tau set translation input \213 \147 ; uppercase upsilon set translation input \214 \148 ; uppercase fi set translation input \215 \149 ; uppercase chi set translation input \216 \150 ; uppercase psi set translation input \217 \151 ; uppercase omega set translation input \220 \225 ; lowercase alpha with accent set translation input \221 \226 ; lowercase epsilon with accent set translation input \222 \227 ; lowercase eta with accent set translation input \223 \229 ; lowercase iota with accent set translation input \225 \152 ; lowercase alpha set translation input \226 \153 ; lowercase beta set translation input \227 \154 ; lowercase gamma set translation input \228 \155 ; lowercase delta set translation input \229 \156 ; lowercase epsilon set translation input \230 \157 ; lowercase zeta set translation input \231 \158 ; lowercase eta set translation input \232 \159 ; lowercase theta set translation input \233 \160 ; lowercase iota set translation input \234 \161 ; lowercase kappa set translation input \235 \162 ; lowercase lambda set translation input \236 \163 ; lowercase mu set translation input \237 \164 ; lowercase nu set translation input \238 \165 ; lowercase ksi set translation input \239 \166 ; lowercase omicron set translation input \240 \167 ; lowercase pi set translation input \241 \168 ; lowercase rho set translation input \242 \170 ; lowercase sigma at end of words set translation input \243 \169 ; lowercase sigma set translation input \244 \171 ; lowercase tau set translation input \245 \172 ; lowercase upsilon set translation input \246 \173 ; lowercase fi set translation input \247 \174 ; lowercase chi set translation input \248 \175 ; lowercase psi set translation input \249 \224 ; lowercase omega set translation input \250 \228 ; lowercase iota with diaeresis set translation input \251 \232 ; lowercase upsilon with diaeresis set translation input \252 \230 ; lowercase omicron with accent set translation input \253 \231 ; lowercase upsilon with accent set translation input \254 \233 ; lowercase omega with accent set translation input on ;************************************************** ; The characters transmitted from the PC (to HP-UX) ;************************************************** set key \248 \176 ; 0 set key \241 \177 ; 1 set key \253 \178 ; 2 set key \234 \182 ; uppercase alpha with accent set key \249 \183 ; 7 set key \235 \184 ; uppercase epsilon with accent set key \236 \185 ; uppercase eta with accent set key \237 \186 ; uppercase iota with accent set key \238 \188 ; uppercase omicron with accent set key \239 \190 ; uppercase upsilon with accent set key \240 \191 ; uppercase omega with accent set key \128 \193 ; uppercase alpha set key \129 \194 ; uppercase beta set key \130 \195 ; uppercase gamma set key \131 \196 ; uppercase delta set key \132 \197 ; uppercase epsilon set key \133 \198 ; uppercase zeta set key \134 \199 ; uppercase eta set key \135 \200 ; uppercase theta set key \136 \201 ; uppercase iota set key \137 \202 ; uppercase kappa set key \138 \203 ; uppercase lambda set key \139 \204 ; uppercase mu set key \140 \205 ; uppercase nu set key \141 \206 ; uppercase ksi set key \142 \207 ; uppercase omicron set key \143 \208 ; uppercase pi set key \144 \209 ; uppercase rho set key \145 \211 ; uppercase sigma set key \146 \212 ; uppercase tau set key \147 \213 ; uppercase upsilon set key \148 \214 ; uppercase fi set key \149 \215 ; uppercase chi set key \150 \216 ; uppercase psi set key \151 \217 ; uppercase omega set key \225 \220 ; lowercase alpha with accent set key \226 \221 ; lowercase epsilon with accent set key \227 \222 ; lowercase eta with accent set key \229 \223 ; lowercase iota with accent set key \152 \225 ; lowercase alpha set key \153 \226 ; lowercase beta set key \154 \227 ; lowercase gamma set key \155 \228 ; lowercase delta set key \156 \229 ; lowercase epsilon set key \157 \230 ; lowercase zeta set key \158 \231 ; lowercase eta set key \159 \232 ; lowercase theta set key \160 \233 ; lowercase iota set key \161 \234 ; lowercase kappa set key \162 \235 ; lowercase lambda set key \163 \236 ; lowercase mu set key \164 \237 ; lowercase nu set key \165 \238 ; lowercase ksi set key \166 \239 ; lowercase omicron set key \167 \240 ; lowercase pi set key \168 \241 ; lowercase rho set key \170 \242 ; lowercase sigma at end of words set key \169 \243 ; lowercase sigma set key \171 \244 ; lowercase tau set key \172 \245 ; lowercase upsilon set key \173 \246 ; lowercase fi set key \174 \247 ; lowercase chi set key \175 \248 ; lowercase psi set key \224 \249 ; lowercase omega set key \228 \250 ; lowercase iota with diaeresis set key \232 \251 ; lowercase upsilon with diaeresis set key \230 \252 ; lowercase omicron with accent set key \231 \253 ; lowercase upsilon with accent set key \233 \254 ; lowercase omega with accent ;************************************ ; Special Keys and Keypad Definitions ;************************************ set key \315 \kholdscrn ; F1 set key \316 \kprtscn ; F2 set key \317 ; F3 no translation (set-up on vt320) set key \318 ; F4 no translation (disabled on vt320) set key \319 \kbreak ; F5 set key \320 \kdecf6 ; F6 set key \321 \kdecf7 ; F7 set key \322 \kdecf8 ; F8 set key \323 \kdecf9 ; F9 set key \324 \kdecf10 ; F10 set key \389 ; F11 no translation set key \390 \kexit ; F12 exit from connect mode set key \852 \kdecf11 ; sF1 set key \853 \kdecf12 ; sF2 set key \854 \kdecf13 ; sF3 set key \855 \kdecf14 ; sF4 set key \856 \kdechelp ; sF5 set key \857 \kdecdo ; sF6 set key \858 \kdecf17 ; sF7 set key \859 \kdecf18 ; sF8 set key \860 \kdecf19 ; sF9 set key \861 \kdecf20 ; sF10 set key \903 ; sF11 no translation set key \904 ; sF12 no translation set key \1374 \kpf1 ; cF1 set key \1375 \kpf2 ; cF2 set key \1376 \kpf3 ; cF3 set key \1377 \kpf4 ; cF4 set key \1378 ; cF5 no translation set key \1379 ; cF6 no translation set key \1380 ; cF7 no translation set key \1381 ; cF8 no translation set key \1382 ; cF9 no translation set key \1383 ; cF10 no translation set key \1417 ; cF11 no translation set key \1418 ; cF12 no translation set key \2408 ; aF1 no translation set key \2409 ; aF2 no translation set key \2410 ; aF3 no translation set key \2411 ; aF4 no translation set key \2412 ; aF5 no translation set key \2413 ; aF6 no translation set key \2414 ; aF7 no translation set key \2415 ; aF8 no translation set key \2416 ; aF9 no translation set key \2417 ; aF10 no translation set key \2443 ; aF11 no translation set key \2444 ; aF12 no translation set key \4435 \kdecremove ; DELETE set key \4431 \kdecselect ; END set key \4433 \kdecnext ; PGDOWN set key \4434 \kdecinsert ; INSERT set key \4423 \kdecfind ; HOME set key \4425 \kdecprev ; PGUP set key \4424 \kuparr ; Up Arrow set key \4432 \kdnarr ; Down Arrow set key \4427 \klfarr ; Left Arrow set key \4429 \krtarr ; Right Arrow set key \330 \45 ; Grey - SET translation KEYBOARD ON connect ; (End) From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 13:09:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04337 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA28639 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 dialer/serial via phone system to DECserver Date: 21 Jul 1996 17:08:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4sto72$fr2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Jul19.143600.143931@forest> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Jul19.143600.143931@forest>, Paul Coen wrote: : We have a digital phone system that does 9600bps communications through : an interface connected to the computer via a serial cable. : : I'm in the process of trying to figure out how we'd use Windows 95 with : this (we've got a purchase order for an academic site license "in the : channel"), but I'm running into a few snags. : : 1) The dialer *really* wants a phone number. That doesn't work here, since : it isn't a "real" modem. You hit two buttons on the phone and it acts : like a direct connection to a DECserver : : 2) I've tried "set modem none," but it generates an area when it tries to : "dial," and then it won't go into CONNECT mode. I've tried using a script : file to just throw it into connect mode, but it looks like the script : won't run because the dial failed. : The problem is, as you noticed, that even if you choose a modem type of NONE, the Dialer still issues a DIAL command, which (of course) fails because there is no modem. : Any suggestions? We really need to be able to use the dialer, since we : have another system some folks connect to via the phone system with *very* : different terminal settings, and we're in the process of networking the : campus and don't want to have to re-train everyone twice. (Once to switch : to K95, once to learn the "dialer" once their office is networked). : Indeed. The K95 Dialer is an excellent way to shield users from differences in connection methods and host settings, so if it had a graphical selection for non-dialed serial connections, it would be the perfect solution at your site. Until now, nobody has requested this feature so we haven't bothered with it. OK, so now we will. Look for it in the next patch. Thanks for the report! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 13:20:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05250 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA28820 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: dial script for Telepath II v modem Date: 21 Jul 1996 17:19:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 167 Message-ID: <4storf$g00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ssafj$5kn@news.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Telepath II v Try this and let me know if it works OK: ---(cut here)--- ; FILE TELEPATH.SCR ; ; An MS-DOS Kermit script program for dialing the Hayes Gateway Telepath II ; modem, to be used with MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later. The modem is set up for ; compression, error correction, all types of fallback, RTS/CTS flow control, ; fixed interface speed of 38400, which is the highest support by this modem. ; ; Authors: Christine M. Gianone, Frank da Cruz; Columbia U, July 1996 ; def errfail echo \%1, hangup, goto fail ; Macro to handle failures. if < VERSION 312 errfail {MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later required.} if eq "\v(system)" "UNIX" if = \v(local) 0 stop 1 You must SET LINE first define chkerr if fail stop 1 \%1 define chkok input 3 OK, if fail stop 1 \%1 define max_speed 57600 ; Maximum interface speed ; Macro to try to get attention of modem's command processor ; at the given speed, or if no speed given, at the current speed. ; Q0 = Enable result codes, V1 = display result codes as words. ; define atok - if def \%1 set speed \%1, - echo Trying \%1..., - output ATQ0V1\13, - input 3 OK, - if success goto gotok set input echo on ; So we can watch what happens. set input timeout proceed ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE. set input case ignore ; Use caseless string comparisons set parity none ; Avoid parity foulups set flow none ; Avoid flow control deadlocks hangup ; Begin by dropping DTR pause 1 ; for one second echo Configuring Hayes ULTRA 144 on \v(line). atok ; Try to connect at current speed, whatever it is. atok 9600 ; If that didn't work, try to connect at 9600. atok 19200 ; 19200... atok 2400 ; 2400... atok 19200 ; 19200... atok 38400 ; 38400... stop 1 Can't get modem's attention :GOTOK ; ; Now change interface speed to the maximum ; echo Locking interface speed at \m(max_speed)... output ATS87=28\13 chkok {Can't set modem's speed to \m(max_speed)} set speed \m(max_speed) ; Try 3 times to get OK response to AT command at new speed. ; set count 3 :LOOP pause output AT\13 input 3 OK if success goto ok if count goto loop Stop 1 Can't communicate with modem at \m(max_speed) :OK ; Initialize the modem. output AT Q0X4&N0&Y1#CLS=0S13=0S15=0S19\13 chkok {Can't initialize modem} ; Enable hardware flow control ; echo Enabling hardware flow control... output AT&H1&R2\13 ; Enable RTS/CTS hardware flow control chkok {Can't enable RTS/CTS} ; On modem wait 5 cts if fail errfail {Modem is not asserting CTS!} set flow rts/cts ; And in Kermit too, but only now echo Enabling error correction and data compression... output AT&M4&B1&K1\13 chkok {Can't enable compression and EC} if def \%1 if not equal "\%1" "=" goto BEGIN ; ; User only wanted to initialize the modem. ; Display configuration. ; echo Telepath initialized OK. :BEGIN ; ; User wants to dial. ; clear ; Clear INPUT buffer. set count 5 ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed. echo Dialing \%1 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait... echo pause 1 goto dial ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message :REDIAL set alarm 30 pause 30 ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing. if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.} echo Redialing... ; Message for redialing. pause 1 :DIAL output ATD\%1\13 ; Dial the number. set alarm 90 ; (For detecting keyboard interruptions.) if > VERSION 312 clear input ; Clear echo from INPUT buffer. if < VERSION 313 clear input 30 \10 ; Wait for the linefeeds... :GETMSG input 60 \10 ; ...that surround the response message. if success goto gotmsg ; Got a message. if alarm errfail {No response from modem.} ; No response in 90 seconds. hangup ; User interrupted from keyboard, output \13 ; cancel dialing by sending carriage return, goto again ; and go try again right away. :GOTMSG reinput 1 CONNECT ; Got a message, was it CONNECT? if success goto done ; If so, we're done. reinput 1 BUSY ; Line is busy. if success goto busy ; Go wait a while and then dial again. reinput 1 ERROR ; Command syntax error. if success errfail {Dialing command error} reinput 1 NO ANSWER ; No answer if success errfail {No answer, please try again later} reinput 1 NO CARRIER ; Phone didn't answer or no carrier. if success errfail {No answer or no carrier} reinput 1 NO DIALTONE ; No dialtone when phone taken off hook. if success errfail {No dialtone - Is your modem connected to the phone line\63} reinput 1 RING ; Phone is ringing if success errfail {Somebody is calling this number} goto getmsg ; None of the above, get another message. :BUSY if < \v(count) 2 goto quit ; Don't wait 30 seconds if tries are used up. echo Line is busy, will dial again in 30 seconds. echo Press any key to cancel... :AGAIN if count goto redial ; Then go redial. :QUIT errfail {It never answers! I give up.} ; Too many tries. :DONE ; Connected. echo \7 ; Celebrate with a beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... define max_speed end 0 ; Finished, return success code. :FAIL ; Dialing failed, no beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... define max_speed end 1 ; Return failure code. ; End of TELEPATH.SCR From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 14:49:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15364 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA00114 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Available for Testing Date: 21 Jul 1996 18:49:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-ID: <4stu40$hgu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.announce:21 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5619 This is to announce a testing period for MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 for DOS and Windows 3.x, by Professor Joe R. Doupnik of the Center for Atmospheric and Space Sciences and the Department of Electrical Engineering of Utah State University in Logan, Utah. The highlights of the new release include: . Autodownload and Autoupload during terminal emulation . Improvements in the internal TCP/IP protocol stack . Numerous additions to the script programming language . File transfer improvements . Ability to use PC Extended memory (as well as Expanded) . Latin-2 Compose key . Bug fixes The new version should fix the TCP/IP ARPing and Keepalive problems that have been reported with increasing frequency. Script programming improvements bring increased compatibility with C-Kermit: . Arithmetic . Arrays . FOR and WHILE loops . IF-ELSE and XIF-ELSE . MINPUT (INPUT search for multiple strings) . Most of the same built-in functions and variables as C-Kermit 6.0 (now in Beta) Plus the new ability to set environment variables in the master environment. This test version of MS-DOS Kermit 3.15, dated 16 July 1996, is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, file msk315.zip. The ZIP file includes the MSK315.EXE executable and a short text file, MSK315.DOC, describing the new features. You can download this file into your regular MS-DOS Kermit directory and unzip it. To use it, just "msk315" instead of "kermit". It will use all your same initialization files. Thanks to Joe for his hard work on this new release! Please send test reports to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 18:20:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07875 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 18:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03421 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 18:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inXS.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.com.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Novell Client32 Date: 21 Jul 1996 03:41:47 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4sr7h3$sc2@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <4sp8e1$pc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, : Michael Bernardi wrote: : : I've recently upgraded to the NEW Novell 32 Bit Client. This has just come : : out of beta, so I thought I'd try MS-Kermit with this new ODI interface. : : It failed:-(, will MS-Kermit be patched to allow this to work or did I do : : something stupid? I was using MS-Kermit 3.14. : Are you referring to the new 32 Bit Client for Windows or for DOS? I'd like to know if it's possible in DOS, with or without LAN Workplace for DOS as some users would like to connect to non-local bbs's by ISP's that only provide PPP access (no shell access) and whose computers can't support MS-Windows-based TCP/IP applications. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 18:28:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08452 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 18:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03479 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 18:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Novell Client32 Date: 21 Jul 1996 22:27:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4suat0$li8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4sp8e1$pc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4sr7h3$sc2@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4sr7h3$sc2@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: : I'd like to know if it's possible in DOS, with or without LAN Workplace for : DOS as some users would like to connect to non-local bbs's by ISP's that : only provide PPP access (no shell access) and whose computers can't support : MS-Windows-based TCP/IP applications. : It's possible using MS-DOS Kermit's built-in TCP/IP stack on a PPP connection if you can find a PPP driver that is compatible. At the present moment, we still do not have one that we can recommend with a clear conscience. Some people report success with a particular driver while others report failure, for many different drivers and versions thereof. If you go through the archives of this newsgroup from the past month or two, you'll see conflicting reports. When we have a clear answer to this question, we won't keep it secret :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 19:38:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17116 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 19:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA04616 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 19:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!dendarii.demon.co.uk From: Michael Bernardi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Novell Client32 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 96 22:08:31 GMT Organization: Miles' Minions Lines: 19 Message-ID: <837986911snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> References: <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> <4sp8e1$pc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dendarii.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 X-Mail2News-Path: dendarii.demon.co.uk In article <4sp8e1$pc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Jeffrey Altman" writes: > In article <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, > Michael Bernardi wrote: > : I've recently upgraded to the NEW Novell 32 Bit Client. This has just come > : out of beta, so I thought I'd try MS-Kermit with this new ODI interface. > : It failed:-(, will MS-Kermit be patched to allow this to work or did I do > : something stupid? I was using MS-Kermit 3.14. > > Are you referring to the new 32 Bit Client for Windows or for DOS? Yes :-) ie the new 32 bit Client for Windows 3.1 and DOS. The Windows 95 version has been out of beta for some time. Mike -- The Bujold Nexus at http://www.herald.co.uk/~dendarii/ for lovers of SF and the work of Lois McMaster Bujold From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 21:39:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27596 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 21:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA06505 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 21:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Novell Client32 Date: 22 Jul 1996 01:39:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4sum47$p0r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> <4sp8e1$pc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <837986911snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <837986911snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, Michael Bernardi wrote: : In article <4sp8e1$pc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> : jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Jeffrey Altman" writes: : : > In article <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, : > Michael Bernardi wrote: : > : I've recently upgraded to the NEW Novell 32 Bit Client. This has just come : > : out of beta, so I thought I'd try MS-Kermit with this new ODI interface. : > : It failed:-(, will MS-Kermit be patched to allow this to work or did I do : > : something stupid? I was using MS-Kermit 3.14. : > : > Are you referring to the new 32 Bit Client for Windows or for DOS? : Yes :-) ie the new 32 bit Client for Windows 3.1 and DOS. The Windows 95 : version has been out of beta for some time. Let's refine the question: Are you trying to run this under Windows 3.1 or are you attempting to run MSK on raw DOS. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 01:20:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA15414 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA10387 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mira.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.uwa.edu.au!yarrow.wt.com.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!not-for-mail From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 1.1.6 dialer questions Date: 22 Jul 1996 11:36:05 +0800 Organization: Telstra Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4susv5$nnj@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] 2 questions concerning the K95 dialer 1.1.6. I upgraded to 1.1.6 by reinstalling 1.1.0 and using the wi110-6 patch. Is there any way to get the dialer to keep the size and position I give between sessions? Everytime I restart it it reverts back to the default size. When I minimise the dialer now I get an icon ala Win31 instead of it disappearing into the task bar as it used to. Am I doing something wrong? From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 09:32:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03840 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA07071 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Novell Client32 Message-ID: <1996Jul22.031916.83060@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Jul 96 03:19:16 MDT References: <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> <837986911snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 In article <837986911snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, Michael Bernardi writes: > In article <4sp8e1$pc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> > jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Jeffrey Altman" writes: > >> In article <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, >> Michael Bernardi wrote: >> : I've recently upgraded to the NEW Novell 32 Bit Client. This has just come >> : out of beta, so I thought I'd try MS-Kermit with this new ODI interface. >> : It failed:-(, will MS-Kermit be patched to allow this to work or did I do >> : something stupid? I was using MS-Kermit 3.14. >> >> Are you referring to the new 32 Bit Client for Windows or for DOS? > Yes :-) ie the new 32 bit Client for Windows 3.1 and DOS. The Windows 95 > version has been out of beta for some time. > > Mike ------------- MS-DOS Kermit works fine with Novell's Client32 for DOS/Win31. One needs to load lsl and pdoseth after the main Client32 components. That's the way a 16-bit real mode ODI interface is offered. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 10:55:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13911 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA08615 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 1.1.6 dialer questions Date: 22 Jul 1996 14:55:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4t04p7$ruc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4susv5$nnj@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4susv5$nnj@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au>, Clive Mitchell wrote: : 2 questions concerning the K95 dialer 1.1.6. I upgraded to 1.1.6 by : reinstalling 1.1.0 and using the wi110-6 patch. : Is there any way to get the dialer to keep the size and position I : give between sessions? Everytime I restart it it reverts back to : the default size. : No, sorry. : When I minimise the dialer now I get an icon ala Win31 instead of : it disappearing into the task bar as it used to. Am I doing something : wrong? : No. This is a "new feature" of our GUI development system. Evidently it is the price we pay for having the "ugly blotches" fixed and the new Windows-95 3D look. Items such as these will be addressed in the forthcoming all-GUI version. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 17:17:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12744 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA15593 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!news From: Dennis Director Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Clear the screen in kermit script ?? Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:09:40 -0700 Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Lines: 9 Message-ID: <31F3FC24.7BC22FFB@inner-solutions.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ithink.park.nwu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i486) I am using K-95 and trying to make a nice menu. I have set VT-100 mode, and I am trying to use VT-100 escape sequences to clear the screen. But while the script is running, before the connect, kermit isn't in VT-100 mode, so the escape sequence doesn't work. Can only the host send VT-100 sequences?? Am I missing something? Thanks From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 17:34:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16229 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA15836 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Clear the screen in kermit script ?? Date: 22 Jul 1996 21:34:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4t0s4a$85n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31F3FC24.7BC22FFB@inner-solutions.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31F3FC24.7BC22FFB@inner-solutions.com>, Dennis Director wrote: : I am using K-95 and trying to make a nice menu. : I have set VT-100 mode, and I am trying to use VT-100 : escape sequences to clear the screen. But while the script : is running, before the connect, kermit isn't in VT-100 mode, : so the escape sequence doesn't work. : : Can only the host send VT-100 sequences?? : Yes. : Am I missing something? : No. Unlike the console windows in DOS or OS/2, the Windows 95 console windows does not respond to escape sequences. There is no ANSI.SYS. (Some reports indicate that you can actually load the old DOS ANSI.SYS, but do this at your own risk.) In a future release of Kermit 95, we'll add functions to let you format the command screen nicely. For the present you are limited to CLS. However, there's still quite a lot you can do with just CLS. See, for example, HOSTMODE.KSC in your SCRIPTS subdirectory. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 17:42:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17150 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA15965 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Steve Proctor Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit question. Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:27:16 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <31F3F234.387E@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 26.dallas-2.tx.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win95; I) I need to use kermit Sco Unix <-> Windows 95 Does anybody know where I can download a (preferably pre-compiled) version of kermit along with instructions on how to use it? From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 17:54:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18504 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA16104 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Clear the screen in kermit script ?? Date: 22 Jul 1996 21:54:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4t0tag$8gn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31F3FC24.7BC22FFB@inner-solutions.com> <4t0s4a$85n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4t0s4a$85n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <31F3FC24.7BC22FFB@inner-solutions.com>, : Dennis Director wrote: : In a future release of Kermit 95, we'll add functions to let you format : the command screen nicely. For the present you are limited to CLS. : : However, there's still quite a lot you can do with just CLS. See, for : example, HOSTMODE.KSC in your SCRIPTS subdirectory. CLEAR COMMAND-SCREEN { BOS, EOS, BOL, EOL, LINE } b == Beginning o == of s == Screen l == line Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 18:13:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20510 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 18:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA16718 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 18:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit question. Date: 22 Jul 1996 22:12:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4t0ucn$8tt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31F3F234.387E@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31F3F234.387E@worldnet.att.net>, Steve Proctor wrote: : I need to use kermit Sco Unix <-> Windows 95 : : Does anybody know where I can download a (preferably pre-compiled) : version of kermit along with instructions on how to use it? : I have good news and bad news. The good news is that Kermit 95 1.1.5 and later offers SCO ANSI emulation, perfect for use with SCO UNIX, ODT, or Open Server (or, for that matter, Linux). It is a Telnet client, an rlogin client, and a serial communications program for both Windows 95 and NT. The bad news is, you can't download it -- you have to purchase it. Find complete information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html You can, however, download the SCO version of C-Kermit, even a precompiled version. More info at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/unix.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 20:28:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05432 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 20:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA18875 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 20:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!usc!not-for-mail From: carmstro@castor.usc.edu (Craig M. Armstrong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Q: Windows 3.1 Kermit server? Date: 22 Jul 1996 17:23:20 -0700 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 7 Sender: carmstro@castor.usc.edu Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: castor.usc.edu Are there any Windows 3.1 comm programs that respond to the Kermit "remote dir" command? Please email replies, Craig From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 00:41:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13742 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA05870 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!world!weiner From: weiner@world.std.com (Sam Weiner) Subject: Re: Script writing Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <4s3ejv$vl0@trellis.wwnet.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 02:57:59 GMT Lines: 15 In article <4s3ejv$vl0@trellis.wwnet.com>, wrote: >Greetings: > >How easy is it to augment existing modem scripts to work with newer >modems? I have a AT&T compatible PCMCIA modem and have tried to >adjust the dataport.scr (which is suppose to be AT& T compatible) that >comes with Kermit ver 3.14 for DOS with little success. Any help >available here? > One thing to watch out for: the dataport.scr (as I recall without taking another look) is for the original AT&T Dataport line. They later came out with the "Express" line of modems which is a different animal all together. They use a totally different chipset. Sam From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 00:42:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13774 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA05875 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!rain.fr!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.ultranet.com!vandal From: jasantos@ultranet.com (John Santos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Does Kermit-95 VT320 mode process received 8-bit CSI sequences? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 03:11:03 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vandal.ultranet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 Hi - I think I've found a bug in Kermit-95 V1.1.5 and V1.1.6. It seems not to be recognizing 8-bit cursor-control sequences (those that begin with rather than ] ). It seems to print as a cents sign. This is in VT320 terminal mode. I have Kermit-95 set for 8-bit terminal emulation (SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 and SET TERMINAL CONTROL 8) and set 8-bit character size on the remote system. This is particularly noticable in line-editing, where the text looks completely messed up, even though all the functions seem to work fine. (In other words, K-95 is sending 7 or 8-bit escape sequences fine; the problem is interpreting received 8-bit escape sequences.) I also tried SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 in K95, which seems to have no effect. (Is this a CKermit command inherited by K95? It doesn't seem to make much sense in K95, since it is supposed to affect the transfer of characters between Kermit and the user's terminal.) The remote system is a PDP-11 running RSTS/E V10.1 accessed through a DECserver-700 terminal server. VAXes and Alpha's running VMS V7.0 accessed through the same terminal server work fine. I think this is because VMS always sends 7-bit sequences, no matter what the terminal character size setting is. By setting the character size to 7 bits on the RSTS/E system, the system seems to send 7-bit (i.e. ]...) sequences, which Kermit-95 handles fine, but this forces using 7-bit transfers in Kermit, which is much slower. John Santos From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 04:16:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA28552 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA09673 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jefe From: jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) Subject: Kermit Batch/interactive Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 05:34:53 GMT Lines: 16 Sender: jefe@netcom16.netcom.com I'm setting up an automated batch file where kermit sets the port, dials the number retrieves some files etc. etc., then goes interactive. What I need to know is can the host send the escape sequence (ctrl-]-c) drop kermit out of interactive mode and continue batch processing, or, just get out- whichever. Is this possible? I've scoured the docs a little bit, but I can't find anything really specific on this. I'd appreciate any help, thanks in advance... Paul -- ****************************************************************************** Thoughts by: Pablo (tm) Free Bob Kelly... ****************************************************************************** People tend not to like one who is always right; people truly hate one who really is... .mw From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 06:55:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18131 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 06:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA00897 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 06:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!world1.bawave.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!croten From: croten@crl.crl.com (Charles Roten) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Date: 24 Jul 1996 07:51:29 GMT Organization: Widgets, Inc. Lines: 56 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5636 comp.dcom.modems:145412 Using C-Kermit as my commo workhorse. Compiled without any standard error at all. Seemingly, a nice clean make and install. Yeah, I set the compile-time flag according to the file ckccfg.doc, so my (SunOS) make looked like the following: make sunos4 "KFLAGS=-DBPS_28K" I _did_ hack the Makefile to support fullscreen display with "-DCK_CURSES". I also set "-DCK_WREFRESH" and "-DCK_PCT_BAR" .. all of which seem to do remarkably little to change C-Kermit's rather uninformative behavior when doing downloads. BTW .. ckccfg.doc is a trifle misleading on this topic .. as its example _violates_ the 8-character rule for the "DBPS" KFLAG .. which I learned about in _another_ piece of documentation packed with the UNIX archive file. Come on folks .. I _know_ you can do better than that. Hence, make sunos4 "KFLAGS=-DBPS_28000" give a "wermit" which does _not_ give 28 Kbps as one of its speeds when "set speed ?" is typed. But my _first_ make example _does_. The problem .. "set speed 28800" gives the following result on a _V.34_ modem ... vulcan>set speed 28800 ?Unsupported line speed - 28800 I _can_ set the speed to 38400 .. but max throughput indicates a solid connection at _half_ that speed, 19200. I _cannot_ seem to access 28.8 Kbps .. even though the following experiment was tried from C-Kermit's command line .. vulcan>set speed ? Transmission rate for /dev/ttya in bits per second, \ one of the following: 110 1200 150 19200 200 2400 28800 300 3600 38400 4800 50 600 7200 75 75/1200 9600 Question .. WHAT GIVES ??? Nope, it's not slow serial port UARTS .. as the internal modem has 16550's _on_ _board_ .. making my serial port's UART irrelevant, even though it _is_ slow. BTW, the system is an elderly Sun 386i, with a generic "Best Data" "Smart One" (tm) 2834F Rockwell chipset v.34 internal modem. Thanks in advance .. as I would _really_ like to extract that last third of throughput from my v.34 internal modem. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 07:18:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21911 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 07:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA01345 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 07:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!daily-planet.execpc.com!news.sol.net!news.inc.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!serra.unipi.it!bianchi From: bianchi@ccii.unipi.it (Federico Bianchi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: (ouch!) MS Client TCP/IP 3.0 Date: 24 Jul 1996 11:18:04 GMT Organization: Universita' di Pisa Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4t50pc$dp6@serra.unipi.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: pwaq.mecnuc.ccii.unipi.it Summary: MS Client 3.0 TCP/IP X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Is the MS/Client 3.0 TCP/IP supported or not by MS/Kermit?? It looks like one of the APIs provided by that stack is the 3COM-originated BAPI Unfortunately, I am not sure whether this is powerful enough to have MSK 3.x running as a Telnet. Please let me know, if you can. Thanks in advance for your help. Federico Bianchi bianchi@pwaq.mecnuc.ccii.unipi.it PS: if you can, please answer me by e-mail, since I am going to have some holidya. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 10:11:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11090 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04054 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!op.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.albany.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!news.ultranet.com!vandal From: jasantos@ultranet.com (John Santos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Does Kermit-95 VT320 mode process received 8-bit CSI sequences? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 12:56:32 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4t56ka$pv8@decius.ultra.net> References: <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vandal.ultranet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 Whoops! I missed the "character-set" option in the dialer. It turns out the problem was I had it set for "transparent" instead of "Latin1-ISO", which is the normal character set for VT320's. It now works fine. Thanks to Jeffery Altman for figuring this out for me so quickly. In article <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net>, jasantos@ultranet.com (John Santos) wrote: >Hi - > >I think I've found a bug in Kermit-95 V1.1.5 and V1.1.6. It seems not to be >recognizing 8-bit cursor-control sequences (those that begin with >rather than ] ). It seems to print as a cents sign. This is >in VT320 terminal mode. I have Kermit-95 set for 8-bit terminal emulation >(SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 and SET TERMINAL CONTROL 8) >and set 8-bit character size on the remote system. > >This is particularly noticable in line-editing, where the text looks >completely messed up, even though all the functions seem to work >fine. (In other words, K-95 is sending 7 or 8-bit escape sequences fine; >the problem is interpreting received 8-bit escape sequences.) > John Santos From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 10:41:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15980 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04492 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Does Kermit-95 VT320 mode process received 8-bit CSI sequences? Date: 24 Jul 1996 14:41:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4t5cmn$98g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net>, John Santos wrote: : I think I've found a bug in Kermit-95 V1.1.5 and V1.1.6. It seems not to be : recognizing 8-bit cursor-control sequences (those that begin with : rather than ] ). It seems to print as a cents sign. This is : in VT320 terminal mode. I have Kermit-95 set for 8-bit terminal emulation : (SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 and SET TERMINAL CONTROL 8) : and set 8-bit character size on the remote system. : This is another glitch in the Dialer, similar to the one that resulted in monochrome screens when SCOANSI emulation was selected. It will be corrected in version 1.1.7, to be announced shortly. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 10:42:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16128 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04497 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Does Kermit-95 VT320 mode process received 8-bit CSI sequences? Date: 24 Jul 1996 14:42:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4t5cop$990@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net> <4t56ka$pv8@decius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4t56ka$pv8@decius.ultra.net>, John Santos wrote: : Whoops! I missed the "character-set" option in the dialer. It turns out the : problem was I had it set for "transparent" instead of "Latin1-ISO", which is : the normal character set for VT320's. It now works fine. : Thanks to Jeffery Altman for figuring this out for me so quickly. : Right, but the Dialer should select the appropriate character set for each terminal type by default. It will in 1.1.7. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 13:03:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07202 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA06743 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Batch/interactive Date: 24 Jul 1996 17:03:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4t5l0u$cj4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Pablo wrote: : I'm setting up an automated batch file where kermit sets the : port, dials the number retrieves some files etc. etc., then goes : interactive. What I need to know is can the host send the escape : sequence (ctrl-]-c) drop kermit out of interactive mode and continue : batch processing, or, just get out- whichever. Is this possible? : Presently, there does not seem to be a good way to do this. APC commands always return to terminal mode when done. The only way to get MS-DOS Kermit (or Kermit 95, etc) to return to its prompt automatically is to close the connection. If that's not an option, then you'll need to have the host application print a message telling the user to escape back. To make it easy, you could send something like this: _set key \315 \kexit\ Please press F1 to continue... If you are using C-Kermit on the host, the commands would be: apc set key \\315 \\kexit echo Please press F1 to continue... We'll look into adding a feature like this to the forthcoming release. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 13:23:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09562 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07105 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Date: 24 Jul 1996 17:22:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 92 Message-ID: <4t5m5c$d31@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5642 comp.dcom.modems:145438 In article , Charles Roten wrote: : Using C-Kermit as my commo workhorse. Compiled without any standard : error at all. Seemingly, a nice clean make and install. : : Yeah, I set the compile-time flag according to the file ckccfg.doc, so my : (SunOS) make looked like the following: : : make sunos4 "KFLAGS=-DBPS_28K" : But... SunOS does not support 28800 bps as a serial port speed. It doesn't do any good to set a compile-time speed flag if the underlying OS does not support the speed. : I _did_ hack the Makefile to support fullscreen display with "-DCK_CURSES". : I also set "-DCK_WREFRESH" and "-DCK_PCT_BAR" .. all of which seem to do : remarkably little to change C-Kermit's rather uninformative behavior when : doing downloads. : Sounds like you forgot to tell C-Kermit (at runtime) to "set file display fullscreen"? Try that and see a more informative display. You don't need to add any flags for SunOS. You get all the supported speeds automatically, and all the curses features too. Just use the makefile entry as supplied. : BTW .. ckccfg.doc is a trifle misleading on this topic .. as its example : _violates_ the 8-character rule for the "DBPS" KFLAG .. which I learned : about in _another_ piece of documentation packed with the UNIX archive : file. Come on folks .. I _know_ you can do better than that. : : Hence, : : make sunos4 "KFLAGS=-DBPS_28000" : : give a "wermit" which does _not_ give 28 Kbps as one of its speeds when : "set speed ?" is typed. But my _first_ make example _does_. : That is not how the flag is spelled. It is spelled BPS_28K, and it does not violate the 8-character rule, which does not apply to the Sun (or gcc) compiler anyway. But as noted, it does no good to add the flag because SunOS does not support this speed. Ditto for 14400, 57600, 115200, and all the other ones that are not listed. Look in /usr/include/sys/ttydev.h for a list of the supported speeds, and notice that they are the same that the SunOS version of C-Kermit lists for you when you type "set speed ?". I'll add a note to this effect to the ckccfg.doc file to clarify this. : The problem .. "set speed 28800" gives the following result on a _V.34_ : modem ... : : vulcan>set speed 28800 : ?Unsupported line speed - 28800 : The message says what it means. C-Kermit told SunOS to set the speed of the port to 28800, and SunOS said "no" because it does not support that speed. : I _can_ set the speed to 38400 .. but max throughput indicates a solid : connection at _half_ that speed, 19200. I _cannot_ seem to access : 28.8 Kbps .. even though the following experiment was tried from C-Kermit's : command line .. : : Question .. WHAT GIVES ??? : : Nope, it's not slow serial port UARTS .. as the internal modem has 16550's : _on_ _board_ .. making my serial port's UART irrelevant, even though it : _is_ slow. : : BTW, the system is an elderly Sun 386i, with a generic "Best Data" : "Smart One" (tm) 2834F Rockwell chipset v.34 internal modem. : Hope that's not an RPI model... : Thanks in advance .. as I would _really_ like to extract that last third : of throughput from my v.34 internal modem. : Set the speed to 38400, which is the highest speed available in SunOS. Tell C-Kermit to "set dial speed-matching off" and "set flow rts/cts". Make sure the modem is configured for RTS/CTS (this might not work in old SunOS versions, but works fine in 4.1 -- again, it's a SunOS limitation, having nothing to do with Kermit). This topic is covered in more detail in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt (see, especially, item 17) and of course in the manual "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 17:02:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12839 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA10897 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!epd103 Organization: Penn State University Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:04:56 EDT From: "Eric P. Delozier" Message-ID: <96206.150456EPD103@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ICMP: TTL exceeded in transit (in MS-Kermit 3.14) Lines: 20 Can anyone tell me what the following means and, if possible, how to prevent it: ICMP: TTL exceeded in transit It seems to be occurring on PCs using MS-Kermit 3.14 over an ODI packet driver. Thanks for any help. --Eric -------------------------------------------- Eric P. Delozier, Senior Assistant Librarian George T. Harrell Library Milton S. Hershey Medical Center Penn State University 500 University Drive Hershey, PA 17033 mailto: epd103@psu.edu or delozier@hslc.org phone: 717-531-8989 or 717-531-8635 (fax) -------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 18:27:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24071 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA12220 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: John Jesus Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Super Kermit? Date: 24 Jul 1996 18:14:54 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4t5p6u$f0q@uruguay.it.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool010.max1.san-francisco.ca.dynip.alter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; U; 16bit) Looking for information on Super Kermit. Can you point me somewhere? --John Jesus jjesus@earthlink.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 18:42:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27287 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA12447 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Super Kermit? Date: 24 Jul 1996 22:42:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4t68s7$jr5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4t5p6u$f0q@uruguay.it.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4t5p6u$f0q@uruguay.it.earthlink.net>, John Jesus wrote: : Looking for information on Super Kermit. Can you point me somewhere? : When the Kermit protocol was first developed over 15 years ago, it had short packets and did not use sliding windows (but of course it was designed to allow them in the future). Later, when we defined the protocol for long packets and sliding windows, somebody somewhere started calling it "SuperKermit". Really, there's no such thing -- Kermit is Kermit. It's an extensible protocol in which the two file transfer partners negotiate automatically about what features they have in common and agree to use them. All modern Columbia Kermits support long packets and sliding windows (except IBM Mainframe Kermit does not "do windows" because it exists only in a half-duplex environment, whereas full duplex connections are needed for sliding windows). "SuperKermit" was also used as the name for the Kermit program written in 1988-92 by Frank Dreano for the Honeywell DPS-6. Usually when BBSs or shareware refer to "SuperKermit" they mean an implementation of the Kermit protocol that does sliding windows or long packets or both. By that definition, most modern Kermit programs are super. However, by no stretch of the imaginition is "SuperKermit" a separate protocol. It is just Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 18:46:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27760 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA12502 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.zeitgeist.net!news.ecis.com!news.walltech.com!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 24 Jul 1996 21:14:25 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Charles Roten (croten@crl.crl.com) wrote: : Yeah, I set the compile-time flag according to the file ckccfg.doc, so my : (SunOS) make looked like the following: : make sunos4 "KFLAGS=-DBPS_28K" SunOS already supports all of the possible speeds with the default Makefile. You aren't going to add the strays like 28.8, or 14.4, no matter what you do. (Not that you want to anyway. You want a comm speed higher than your connect speed). : I _did_ hack the Makefile to support fullscreen display with "-DCK_CURSES". : I also set "-DCK_WREFRESH" and "-DCK_PCT_BAR" .. all of which seem to do : remarkably little to change C-Kermit's rather uninformative behavior when : doing downloads. You also need to set set file display fullscreen either at the prompt, or in your .kermrc. It supposedly slows down the transfer a bit, but the filling bar is nice. : I _can_ set the speed to 38400 .. but max throughput indicates a solid : connection at _half_ that speed, 19200. I _cannot_ seem to access [...] : BTW, the system is an elderly Sun 386i, with a generic "Best Data" : "Smart One" (tm) 2834F Rockwell chipset v.34 internal modem. A connection speed of 19200 sounds like a modem limitation. Some "SmartOne" modems are Rockwell RPI, only fully usable with a special software driver, usually under Windows. Without this driver, they limit to 19200, and have no error correction, which makes 19200 almost impossible. Do you get a "CONNECT xxx00, LAP-M" or something like that? -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 25 03:00:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA11391 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 03:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA21092 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 03:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Does Kermit-95 VT320 mode process received 8-bit CSI sequences? Message-ID: <1996Jul24.213314.2416@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 24 Jul 96 21:33:14 -0400 References: <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 27 In article <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net>, jasantos@ultranet.com (John Santos) writes: > Hi - > > I think I've found a bug in Kermit-95 V1.1.5 and V1.1.6. It seems not to be > recognizing 8-bit cursor-control sequences (those that begin with > rather than ] ). It seems to print as a cents sign. This is > in VT320 terminal mode. I have Kermit-95 set for 8-bit terminal emulation CHAINSAW... John Santos, I was helping out a user one day and noticed something I forgot. The user was having problems like you describe, and while scratching my head, ( this was a telnet connection ) i fullscreened the display out of habit, since I need new glasses, and voila!! problem goes away, at least for this one case, and one scenario. user happy. i have no idea if this will help. Frank problably has a better idea.... Jim -- /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@JADE.VCU.EDU NOTICE: Adding me to / > || Neurosurgery, | a commercial mailing list is prohibited. /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | License will be $100.00, agreed to by /________________> Richmond, Va | adding me. THIS WILL BE ENFORCED!!! From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 25 10:54:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01936 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA18315 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Does Kermit-95 VT320 mode process received 8-bit CSI sequences? Date: 25 Jul 1996 14:54:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4t81qs$q68@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net> <1996Jul24.213314.2416@gems.vcu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Jul24.213314.2416@gems.vcu.edu>, Brainwave Surfer wrote: : In article <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net>, : jasantos@ultranet.com (John Santos) writes: : > I think I've found a bug in Kermit-95 V1.1.5 and V1.1.6. It seems not to : > be recognizing 8-bit cursor-control sequences (those that begin with : > rather than ] ). It seems to print as a cents sign. This is : > in VT320 terminal mode. I have Kermit-95 set for 8-bit terminal emulation : : John Santos, I was helping out a user one day and noticed something I : forgot. The user was having problems like you describe, and while : scratching my head, ( this was a telnet connection ) i fullscreened the : display out of habit, since I need new glasses, and voila!! problem goes : away, at least for this one case, and one scenario. user happy. i have no : idea if this will help. : This was probably an illusion :-) : Frank problably has a better idea.... : Yeah -- fix the Dialer to have a sensible default Terminal character-set for VT320 emulation (and the other ones). In the meantime, when using K95 1.1.6, change the character-set manually on the Terminal notebook page to Latin-1 or other appropriate (non-Transparent) character set. Note that the problem occurs only when using a host application that actually sends C1 control characters. To my knowledge, such applications are found only on VMS (if anybody has an counterexample, I'd like to hear about it). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 26 11:21:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16656 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03284 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news-in.tiac.net!canopus.hbs.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!usenet From: Richard Pieri Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ICMP: TTL exceeded in transit (in MS-Kermit 3.14) Date: 25 Jul 1996 10:14:57 -0400 Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <96206.150456EPD103@psuvm.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unilab.dfci.harvard.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.2.37/Emacs 19.31 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "EPD" == Eric P Delozier writes: EPD> ICMP: TTL exceeded in transit ICMP is an answerback protocol; you probably know it as the 'ping' command. TTL is 'time to live'. The error probably means Kermit sent out an ICMP packet and it did not get a response within a specified span. At a guess, it looks like you are experiencing network lossage somewhere, could be physical, could be software. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMfeBYp6VRH7BJMxHAQHarwP/favxSXhozDewSdeUAQ2E4GdxaUIU6RyK nK8/IiKt2K8KrbdewHsO0pL+GWXQvtLSBKBNfElAAsobTKCOzsKN7pEuH14KIk4M f59xS17sr3Uns2bHm85FzQIRXQNSGD+LqnmdeH/e5uaHj+0VYaHHYIsJu9nvf4nK fZp7K1tUZhw= =Ee2E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ Always give generously - a small bird or \ rodent left on the bed tells them, "I http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/ \ care". -A cat's guide to life From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 26 12:02:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23258 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA03989 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing Kermit 1.1.7 Date: 26 Jul 1996 16:02:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-ID: <4taq5r$b3m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.announce:22 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5650 Version 1.1.7 of Kermit 95 communications software for Windows 95 and NT is now available. Sorry for the three releases in rapid succession, folks. 1.1.5 contained lots of new features; 1.1.6 and 1.1.7 correct problems that some of you reported, but that did not show up in the Beta testing. Version 1.1.7 fixes the following problems: . VT220/320 DCS string cancellation didn't work . SCOANSI and AT386 emulation conflict with Dialer . Televideo and Wyse printing didn't work right . PUSH from Terminal screen to shell could not be returned from . Server GET fails if a SEND-LIST had previously been used . Dialer window minimized to desktop instead of task bar . Wrong default character-set for VT terminals in the Dialer See the new BUGS.DOC file for details. And the Dialer now remembers its size and position, as well as the entry that was highlighted, when you exit from it and then start it again later. HOW TO GET IT The new release can be ordered in shrink-wrapped or bulk- or site-licensed form from Columbia University. All orders received starting today will be filled with version 1.1.7. Find ordering information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Current registered users of Kermit 95 can download the 1.1.7 upgrade patch from our BBS or from our ftp site: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/ or on the Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html Report problems with the patches to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 26 12:11:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24291 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04124 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sgi.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!spot.Xpressnet.com!newsadmn From: pangann@mlc.mb.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit protocol Date: 26 Jul 1996 14:26:22 GMT Organization: InternetXpress, Winnipeg, Manitoba, CANADA Lines: 2 Message-ID: <4takie$ata@spot.Xpressnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial26.xpressnet.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Does C-Kermit support protocols other than Kermit ? I need to transfer files to a bank in my city, I would like to use C-Kermit on OpenVMS Vax, however the protocol MUST be ASCII file transfer protocol. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 26 12:16:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24999 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04182 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit protocol Date: 26 Jul 1996 16:15:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4taqvg$bch@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4takie$ata@spot.Xpressnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4takie$ata@spot.Xpressnet.com>, wrote: : Does C-Kermit support protocols other than Kermit ? I need to transfer : files to a bank in my city, I would like to use C-Kermit on OpenVMS Vax, : however the protocol MUST be ASCII file transfer protocol. : "ASCII" is not exactly a "file transfer protocol" -- more precisely, it is the absence of one -- but yes, C-Kermit supports it. Please refer to chapter 10 of the manual, "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 27 03:58:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA03247 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 03:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA20893 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 03:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!croten From: croten@crl.crl.com (Charles Roten) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Date: 27 Jul 1996 07:54:54 GMT Organization: Widgets, Inc. Lines: 139 Message-ID: References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com In-reply-to: Clarence Dold's message of 24 Jul 1996 21:14:25 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5653 comp.dcom.modems:145769 Sorry, Clarence .. I added ',comp.dcom.modems' to the '^Followup-To: ' and '^Newsgroups: ' lines again, due to the presence of some modem-chipset related issues. Since _both_ you _and_ Frank Da Cruz warned me about the "Rockwell RPI" chipset problems, I decided to take you _both_ seriously about this issue. Though I still am not sure whether my modem has this problem or not .. and indeed had never heard of it until your responses to my earlier post. BTW, are there any diagnostics for this problem, other than the one Clarence Dold alludes to below ?? I really do not know what to search for in the rather scanty manual .. or what tests to make from the connected-state command line. In article <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> Clarence Dold writes: >Charles Roten (croten@crl.crl.com) wrote: >: Yeah, I set the compile-time flag according to the file ckccfg.doc, so my >: (SunOS) make looked like the following: >: make sunos4 "KFLAGS=-DBPS_28K" >SunOS already supports all of the possible speeds with the default Makefile. >You aren't going to add the strays like 28.8, or 14.4, no matter what you do. >(Not that you want to anyway. You want a comm speed higher than your connect >speed). >: I _did_ hack the Makefile to support fullscreen display with "-DCK_CURSES". >: I also set "-DCK_WREFRESH" and "-DCK_PCT_BAR" .. all of which seem to do >: remarkably little to change C-Kermit's rather uninformative behavior when >: doing downloads. BTW, Frank Da Cruz _seems_ to imply _none_ of these mods are neccessary in order to enable "fullscreen" display on a SunOS 4 box. Maybe I went off on an unneccessary tangent here ?? >You also need to set >set file display fullscreen >either at the prompt, or in your .kermrc. >It supposedly slows down the transfer a bit, but the filling bar is nice. Yeah .. I figured that one out after I posted .. sorry. But there _does_ seem to be a problem here, perhaps with interaction with the antique windowing system (Sunview) my box uses. _Any_ interaction between any ovelapping window _or_ Sunview itself (such as closing the window in which I use C-Kermit) and the "vttool" vt100 emulation window I am (now) using as a C-Kermit terminal emulation front end can "freeze" Suntools _totally_ for minutes to hours. The only way of breaking out _by_ _choice_ seems to be a system reboot. Ugly. The only way to be safe seems to leave the "vt100" window open .. and then _neither_ attempt to close it _nor_ manipulate any _other_ window across the output panel. I have yet to test this with X11R5pl26. >: I _can_ set the speed to 38400 .. but max throughput indicates a solid >: connection at _half_ that speed, 19200. I _cannot_ seem to access >[...] >: BTW, the system is an elderly Sun 386i, with a generic "Best Data" >: "Smart One" (tm) 2834F Rockwell chipset v.34 internal modem. >A connection speed of 19200 sounds like a modem limitation. >Some "SmartOne" modems are Rockwell RPI, only fully usable with a special >software driver, usually under Windows. >Without this driver, they limit to 19200, and have no error correction, which >makes 19200 almost impossible. Hmm .. no problem seen so far with 19200 .. except an apparent inability to get above that throughput except fleetingly and temporarily during downloads where _overall_ efficiency is rated by "stat" right at 50% (or a hair under) for a _38400_ _bps_ connection. I would expect 60-66% if I were receiving at 28800 bps, of course. >Do you get a "CONNECT xxx00, LAP-M" or something like that? Nope .. just "CONNECT 38400". No ", LAP-M" suffix at all. The only place I see the "LAPM" string mentioned in my manual at all is in the table of AT result codes, where result code 77, "PROTOCOL:LAPM", is said to mean "v.42 LAP-M error correction". I have _never_ come across the "PROTOCOL:LAPM" message in any connection made with this beast. Included for your perusal is my (modified) .kermrc file. set line /dev/ttym1 set incomplete keep set flow rts/cts set speed 38400 set dial speed-matching off <<<<--- _This_ line was _just_ _now_ added, and _has_ _not_ _been_ _tested_ _yet_. If it works .. thanks, Clarence. set parity none set send packet-length 9000 set receive packet-length 9000 set window 1 set file type binary set block 3 set file display fullscreen set modem-dialer hayes set file names literal set wildcard-expansion shell set prompt vulcan> Another problem I get from this combination of C-Kermit, terminal emulator, and windowing system on my box is the (quite sudden) interruption of a file transmission with the "too many NAKs" complaint from C-Kermit. Could this be an artifact of the fact that these file transmissions are from a host in California (crl.com) which mounts C-kermit, _through_ _a_ _telnet_ _connection_ _from_ _an_ _intermediate_ _host_ (a local Seattle- based ISP .. crl.com has no Seattle POP), to my local UNIX box ? Yeah, I know .. a wierd way to do things .. Owing to the fact that I am not _sure_ of binary file transmission accuracy in this "relayed" mode, I uuencode any file which even I _suspect_ of containing non-printable characters. Then, when the "too many NAKs" bug shuts me down, I can use UNIX "split", fore and aft, on the (uuencoded) file, throwing away the last line or two on the receiving box and the lines before that on the one sending. Then I retransmit the remainder, and concatenate the two partial files together at my destination. Truly a disgusting hack. Sigh. I'll try out the effect of 'set dial speed-matching off' in my .kermrc later this evening. Thanks. I just hope it helps throughput, but I don't hold out much hope of it assisting the fragility of Sunview in the presence of an ongoing C-Kermit download in a vttool window. Perhaps (in respose to Frank da Cruz' earlier remarks) I'll try a generic make with a non-tweaked Makefile, once I have (hopefully) nailed down the throughput issue with the extra line in my .kermrc. Since the extra '-DCK_CURSES .. (etc.)' strings added to the link-edit lines of the Makefile do not reportedly have any impact on the curses features or the "fullscreen" display option one way or the other. [Clarence's .sig deleted] From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 27 09:27:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06968 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 09:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA15065 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 09:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!croten From: croten@crl.crl.com (Charles Roten) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Date: 27 Jul 1996 09:24:51 GMT Organization: Widgets, Inc. Lines: 135 Message-ID: References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com In-reply-to: croten@crl.crl.com's message of 27 Jul 1996 07:54:54 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5654 comp.dcom.modems:145788 In article croten@crl.crl.com (Charles Roten) wrote: [stuff about Rockwell RPI chipset problems deleted] >In article <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> Clarence Dold >writes: [stuff about flages in Makefile, and interference by/with Suntools problems deleted] >>: I _can_ set the speed to 38400 .. but max throughput indicates a solid >>: connection at _half_ that speed, 19200. I _cannot_ seem to access >>[...] >>: BTW, the system is an elderly Sun 386i, with a generic "Best Data" >>: "Smart One" (tm) 2834F Rockwell chipset v.34 internal modem. >>A connection speed of 19200 sounds like a modem limitation. >>Some "SmartOne" modems are Rockwell RPI, only fully usable with a special >>software driver, usually under Windows. >>Without this driver, they limit to 19200, and have no error correction, which >>makes 19200 almost impossible. >Hmm .. no problem seen so far with 19200 .. except an apparent inability to >get above that throughput except fleetingly and temporarily during downloads >where _overall_ efficiency is rated by "stat" right at 50% (or a hair under) >for a _38400_ _bps_ connection. I would expect 60-66% if I were receiving >at 28800 bps, of course. >>Do you get a "CONNECT xxx00, LAP-M" or something like that? >Nope .. just "CONNECT 38400". No ", LAP-M" suffix at all. >The only place I see the "LAPM" string mentioned in my manual at all is in >the table of AT result codes, where result code 77, "PROTOCOL:LAPM", is >said to mean "v.42 LAP-M error correction". I have _never_ come across the >"PROTOCOL:LAPM" message in any connection made with this beast. >Included for your perusal is my (modified) .kermrc file. >set line /dev/ttym1 >set incomplete keep >set flow rts/cts >set speed 38400 >set dial speed-matching off <<<<--- _This_ line was _just_ _now_ added, > and _has_ _not_ _been_ _tested_ > _yet_. If it works .. thanks, > Clarence. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ** BAD IDEA !!! ** I just A/B'ed this line with a test with the line commented _out_. Results below. >set parity none >set send packet-length 9000 >set receive packet-length 9000 >set window 1 >set file type binary >set block 3 >set file display fullscreen >set modem-dialer hayes >set file names literal >set wildcard-expansion shell >set prompt vulcan> I just tried to download a mail archive of uuencoded stuff with two versions of the above .kermrc file. Archive size was 2280872 bytes. _With_ 'set dial speed-matching off', I got the following: 1) _Lousy_ average packet sizes, all over the map but rarely at the practical maximum of 8999 bytes. 2) _Lousy_ throughput .. around 1200 CPS. 3) Premature termination due to multiple timeouts less than a quarter of the way through the download. _With_OUT_ this "feature" enabled, I got a successful transfer with an effective data rate of 2149 CPS. Results of "stat" follow ... vulcan> files transferred : 1 files not transferred : 0 characters last file : 2280872 total file characters : 2280872 communication line in : 2360731 communication line out : 2155 packets sent : 268 packets received : 268 damaged packets rec'd : 0 timeouts : 0 retransmissions : 1 parity : none 8th bit prefixing : no locking shifts : no window slots used : 1 of 1 packet length : 8999 (send), 9000 (receive) compression : yes [~] (11915) block check type used : 3 elapsed time : 1061 sec transmission rate : 38400 bps effective data rate : 2149 cps efficiency (percent) : 56 >Another problem I get from this combination of C-Kermit, terminal emulator, >and windowing system on my box is the (quite sudden) interruption of a file >transmission with the "too many NAKs" complaint from C-Kermit. >Could this be an artifact of the fact that these file transmissions are >from a host in California (crl.com) which mounts C-kermit, _through_ _a_ >_telnet_ _connection_ _from_ _an_ _intermediate_ _host_ (a local Seattle- >based ISP .. crl.com has no Seattle POP), to my local UNIX box ? >Yeah, I know .. a wierd way to do things .. >Owing to the fact that I am not _sure_ of binary file transmission accuracy >in this "relayed" mode, I uuencode any file which even I _suspect_ of >containing non-printable characters. Then, when the "too many NAKs" bug >shuts me down, I can use UNIX "split", fore and aft, on the (uuencoded) file, >throwing away the last line or two on the receiving box and the lines before >that on the one sending. Then I retransmit the remainder, and concatenate >the two partial files together at my destination. Truly a disgusting hack. >Sigh. >I'll try out the effect of 'set dial speed-matching off' in my .kermrc later >this evening. Thanks. I just hope it helps throughput, but I don't hold out >much hope of it assisting the fragility of Sunview in the presence of an >ongoing C-Kermit download in a vttool window. [Makefile speculations deleted] >[Clarence's .sig deleted] In conclusion .. "set dial speed-matching off" makes things WORSE .. a LOT worse. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 27 10:45:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15422 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA16297 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!annex9-7 From: bandyo@econ.umd.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit, OS/2, and All-in-1 problem Date: Sat, 27 Jul 96 08:47:14 Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4td38e$qet@hecate.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: annex9-7.dial.umd.edu X-Newsreader: IBM WebExplorer DLL First, let me apologize if this is the wrong group. I am trying to set up C-kermit 5A(191) on OS/2 to connect to my wife's office, to use All-in-1. Every thing works fine except All-in-1's email editer "WPS-Plus." When I enter the editer (to create an email for example), the terminal shows 3lJ8l and goes into "line mode" in stead of giving me the full screen. To elaborate, I get the WPS-Plus's top ruler and the first line only. The real problem starts if I hit the cursor keys. "already at top" or something like that overwrites my line. Also, any editing after typing is not updated on the screen, e.g. if I delete a line or a word or a letter, it remains on screen. Only by leaving the editer and "viewing" or returning to the document I can see the changes. I have played with bytesize 7 - 8, codepage (tried 850) and roll-mode (overwrite/insert), so far nothing worked. Any help towards setting C-Kermit up will be appreciated. please email your response to me as I do not read this newsgroup regularly. Thanks for helping in advance. Sushenjit Bandyopadhyay Trying to support native OS/2 software. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 27 11:06:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17124 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16695 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Date: 27 Jul 1996 15:06:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 151 Message-ID: <4tdb9o$p4o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5656 comp.dcom.modems:145799 In article , Charles Roten wrote: : Sorry, Clarence .. I added ',comp.dcom.modems' to the '^Followup-To: ' and : '^Newsgroups: ' lines again, due to the presence of some modem-chipset : related issues. Since _both_ you _and_ Frank Da Cruz warned me about the : "Rockwell RPI" chipset problems, I decided to take you _both_ seriously : about this issue. Though I still am not sure whether my modem has this : problem or not .. and indeed had never heard of it until your responses to : my earlier post. : See item 20 of the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt : BTW, are there any diagnostics for this problem, other than the one Clarence : Dold alludes to below ?? : In general, the modem-specific command to enable error correction or data compression results in an ERROR response. Also I think the product ID shown by ATI3 should say RPI in it somewhere. But none of this is universal; every modem is different. : BTW, Frank Da Cruz _seems_ to imply _none_ of these mods are neccessary in : order to enable "fullscreen" display on a SunOS 4 box. Maybe I went off : on an unneccessary tangent here ?? : Correct. : But there _does_ seem to be a problem here, perhaps with interaction with : the antique windowing system (Sunview) my box uses. _Any_ interaction : between any ovelapping window _or_ Sunview itself (such as closing the : window in which I use C-Kermit) and the "vttool" vt100 emulation window I am : (now) using as a C-Kermit terminal emulation front end can "freeze" Suntools : _totally_ for minutes to hours. The only way of breaking out _by_ _choice_ : seems to be a system reboot. Ugly. : Not a Kermit problem. The fullscreen file transfer display works fine on hundreds of different UNIX platforms. It uses standard curses library calls. On some platforms there are bugs in the curses library (typical symptom: it works the first time, does not work subsequent times). In other situations there can be bugs in the terminal emulator or windowing system through which you view it. Or (but probably not in your case) a simple mismatch between the type of terminal curses thinks you have (look at your UNIX TERM variable) and the type you actually do have. : Hmm .. no problem seen so far with 19200 .. except an apparent inability to : get above that throughput except fleetingly and temporarily during downloads : where _overall_ efficiency is rated by "stat" right at 50% (or a hair under) : for a _38400_ _bps_ connection. I would expect 60-66% if I were receiving : at 28800 bps, of course. : How do you know the connection is really at 28800 bps? Did the modem say so in its CONNECT message? How do you know the connection *stayed* at 28800 bps? V.34 modems can shift down (and hopefully) back up at any time during the connection, perhaps repeatedly. : >Do you get a "CONNECT xxx00, LAP-M" or something like that? : : Nope .. just "CONNECT 38400". No ", LAP-M" suffix at all. : Sounds like you don't have an error-corrected connection. That could be because your modem doesn't *do* error correction, or because it does, but the other one doesn't, or because they both do, but nevertheless failed to negotiate a common error correction protocol. Or it could simply be that you have configured the modem not to issue protocol messages in its result codes. Look in your modem manual at the X command (X1, X4, etc)... : set line /dev/ttym1 : set incomplete keep : set flow rts/cts : set speed 38400 : set dial speed-matching off : set parity none : set send packet-length 9000 <-- Not needed, see manual : set receive packet-length 9000 <-- This might be overkill : set window 1 <-- See below : ... : : Another problem I get from this combination of C-Kermit, terminal emulator, : and windowing system on my box is the (quite sudden) interruption of a file : transmission with the "too many NAKs" complaint from C-Kermit. : Try using a shorter packet length and a bigger window size. For example: set window 4 set receive packet-length 1000 Given the uncertainties about your modem, you certainly don't want to stress it with 9000-byte packets until after you have achieved satisfactory results with more conservative settings. The rule is: 1. Get it working reliably 2. Then vary the packet and window sizes until optimum throughput is achieved 3. Then (maybe) add some control-character unprefixing See the Kermit FAQ for a longer explanation. : Could this be an artifact of the fact that these file transmissions are : from a host in California (crl.com) which mounts C-kermit, _through_ _a_ : _telnet_ _connection_ _from_ _an_ _intermediate_ _host_ (a local Seattle- : based ISP .. crl.com has no Seattle POP), to my local UNIX box ? : Yeah, I know .. a wierd way to do things .. : Yes, of course that will slow things down. And although you did not say anything above about control-character unprefixing, I should warn you that if you start unprefixing control characters to get more performance (which you can read about in our FAQ and in the online C-Kermit documentation), take care not to unprefix Telnet's escape character, or the character 255, or carriage return. (Of course, none of these are unprefixed by default.) : Owing to the fact that I am not _sure_ of binary file transmission accuracy : in this "relayed" mode, I uuencode any file which even I _suspect_ of : containing non-printable characters. Then, when the "too many NAKs" bug : shuts me down, I can use UNIX "split", fore and aft, on the (uuencoded) : file, throwing away the last line or two on the receiving box and the lines : before that on the one sending. : You don't need to do any of this. Kermit itself acts like a "uuencode" program to ensure that binary data gets through even the toughest kinds of links. Just use the defaults. If the transfer through your intermediate Telnet program doesn't work, that means you don't have an 8-bit Telnet connection, in which case simply tell the sending Kermit to: set parity space and then it will work. Should the transfer fail partway through, use the built-in recovery feature (the RESEND command). Read about it in the online documentation that comes with C-Kermit. : I'll try out the effect of 'set dial speed-matching off' in my .kermrc later : this evening. Thanks. I just hope it helps throughput, but I don't hold : out much hope of it assisting the fragility of Sunview in the presence of an : ongoing C-Kermit download in a vttool window. : Sunview and vttool are problematic only in their response to the curses display. To avoid problems, just use some other form of display: set file display crt set file display serial set file display none Curses itself on SunOS is fine. If you use some other terminal or emulator with SunOS C-Kermit there are no problems at all with the display. Again, please consult the manual "Using C-Kermit", plus the accompanying online documentation, and our FAQ to save yourself lots of trouble. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 27 11:18:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18032 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16867 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit, OS/2, and All-in-1 problem Date: 27 Jul 1996 15:18:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4tdbvl$pac@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4td38e$qet@hecate.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4td38e$qet@hecate.umd.edu>, wrote: : I am trying to set up C-kermit 5A(191) on OS/2 to connect to my wife's : office, to use All-in-1. Every thing works fine except All-in-1's email : editer "WPS-Plus." When I enter the editer (to create an email for example), : the terminal shows 3lJ8l and goes into "line mode" in stead of giving me the : full screen. : These are fragments of escape sequences, indicating that the VT emulator is not recognizing them as escape sequences. Most likely this is because when you have a VT220 (as OS/2 C-Kermit emulates by default), VMS assumes you have an 8-bit connection, and so sends 8-bit escape sequences, but C-Kermit's default "terminal bytesize" is 7, not 8, as a defense against parity. So tell C-Kermit: set terminal type vt220 set parity none set terminal bytesize 8 or, if for some reason the intervening connection is really not 8-bit clean, you'll need to tell VMS: set teminal/noeight This will force VMS to send escape sequences in their 7-bit form. If that doesn't do it, then send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu with additional details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 27 11:42:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21529 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA17278 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Date: 27 Jul 1996 15:42:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 91 Message-ID: <4tddcp$prv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5658 comp.dcom.modems:145804 In article , Charles Roten wrote: : In article croten@crl.crl.com : (Charles Roten) wrote: : > : >set dial speed-matching off <<<<--- _This_ line was _just_ _now_ added, : > and _has_ _not_ _been_ _tested_ : > _yet_. If it works .. thanks, : > Clarence. : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : : ** BAD IDEA !!! ** I just A/B'ed this line with a test with the line : commented _out_. Results below. : Please read the documentation. What does "set dial speed-matching" do? It merely tells C-Kermit whether to adjust its interface speed to match the speed reported in the modem's CONNECT message. Either it does or it doesn't. One way is right, one way is wrong. If you pick the wrong way, the connection will be totally unusable because the interface speed of the modem and the computer will be different. : I just tried to download a mail archive of uuencoded stuff with two versions : of the above .kermrc file. Archive size was 2280872 bytes. : If you were able to log in to the remote host, then the interface speed was right. So whatever "set dial speed-matching" value you had in effect when you did this was correct. : _With_ 'set dial speed-matching off', I got the following: : 1) _Lousy_ average packet sizes, all over the map but rarely at the : practical maximum of 8999 bytes. : 2) _Lousy_ throughput .. around 1200 CPS. : 3) Premature termination due to multiple timeouts less than a quarter of : the way through the download. : : _With_OUT_ this "feature" enabled, I got a successful transfer with an : effective data rate of 2149 CPS. : You are using a modem which might or might not have error correction and compression built in. Read the Kermit FAQ about the implications of this. If you have an RPI modem, ALL BETS ARE OFF. NOTHING, repeat NOTHING, can be expected to work right, NOT EVEN FLOW CONTROL, because flow control depends on having a modem-to-modem protocol, which will not happen when trying to use an RPI modem on UNIX. Second: You are going through an intermediate TELNET program. Think about this. Think about the additional overhead it introduces. : In conclusion .. "set dial speed-matching off" makes things WORSE .. a LOT : worse. : No, there is something else going on. "set dial speed-matching" has nothing to do with it. If you get good transfers sometimes and poor ones other times, it is due to some other factor. Let's assume your modem is NOT an RPI model, since if it were, you would probably NEVER get decent performance out of it. Then what would account for getting good performance sometimes but not others, with all else being equal; i.e. using the same Kermit settings. The answer: obviously it is something external to your Sun. Here are just a few possibilities: 1. An error-corrected connection was not negotiated, and so therefore flow control is not effective, but you are blasting 9000-byte packets into the modem. A recipe for disaster. How could this happen? Maybe some of the modems at your ISP are badly configured. This is a very common occurrence -- in large modem pools, modems frequently lose their configurations, and require constant monitoring and attention. To check, escape back to your modem (plus-plus-plus) and give an ATI6 (or whatever) command to see its current protocols, speed, etc, if your modem offers such a command. 2. Maybe your ISP is using a mixed bag of terminal servers. Some terminal servers (such as Cisco ASM models) do not support hardware flow-control in the upstream direction, so uploads almost always fail. It's the luck of the draw which terminal server your call hunts to. Check with your ISP. 3. A lack of effective flow control between C-Kermit on the Sun and your modem. Your C-Kermit initialization file does say "set flow rts/cts", but how do you know your modem is configured for that also? The next release of C-Kermit, 6.0, simplifies all of this to a great extent. It now incorporates a database of modems, and ensures that the modem is configured according to C-Kermit's own settings. For example, if you tell C-Kermit to "set flow rts/cts", it will issue the modem-specific command to ensure that the modem, too, is configured for RTS/CTS. C-Kermit 6.0 is presently in Beta test. See the Kermit Web page for further information: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 27 23:14:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA29323 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA27884 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ns2.maslink.com!jmx.net!jpradley.jpr.com!jpradley.jpr.com!not-for-mail From: jpr@jpr.com (Jean-Pierre Radley,320 CPW,NYC,212-877-0440) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit protocol Date: 27 Jul 1996 12:45:03 -0400 Organization: JPRadley, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4tdh2f$df4@jpradley.jpr.com> References: <4takie$ata@spot.Xpressnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jpradley.jpr.com In article <4takie$ata@spot.Xpressnet.com>, wrote: >Does C-Kermit support protocols other than Kermit ? I need to transfer files to a bank in my city, I would like to use C-Kermit on >OpenVMS Vax, however the protocol MUST be ASCII file transfer protocol. Please post lines not wider than 80 characters... What is the ASCII file transfer protocol? -- Jean-Pierre Radley jpr@jpr.com XC custodian Sysop, CompuServe SCOForum From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 00:46:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08221 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA29765 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!ames!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!croten From: croten@crl.crl.com (Charles Roten) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 28 Jul 1996 04:24:14 GMT Organization: Widgets, Inc. Lines: 0 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 02:42:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA17373 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 02:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA02310 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 02:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!croten From: croten@crl.crl.com (Charles Roten) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: But do I _really_ have an RPI modem ?? (was: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal) Date: 28 Jul 1996 04:19:50 GMT Organization: Widgets, Inc. Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> <4tddcp$prv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com In-reply-to: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 27 Jul 1996 15:42:17 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5660 comp.dcom.modems:145846 In article <4tddcp$prv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: [hassles with C-Kermit throughput and tests of ineffective proposed fixes deleted] >You are using a modem which might or might not have error correction and >compression built in. Read the Kermit FAQ about the implications of this. >If you have an RPI modem, ALL BETS ARE OFF. NOTHING, repeat NOTHING, can be >expected to work right, NOT EVEN FLOW CONTROL, because flow control depends >on having a modem-to-modem protocol, which will not happen when trying to >use an RPI modem on UNIX. [rest deleted] OK. I've read through the FAQ on the horrors of the RPI "standards". And I must say I thoroughly agree with the authors. Now .. the system is an elderly Sun 386i, with a generic "Best Data" "Smart One" (tm) 2834F Rockwell chipset v.34 internal modem. I _have_ the original box the modem came in. Nowhere on the surface is the legend "requires RPI-compliant software" or any equivalent statement displayed. Nor was such language to be found in the manual when I searched for it. The command ati3 produced the result V1.400-V34_DP ROCKWELL and ati6 produced RC288DPi Rev 05BA This appears to be the maximum amount of metadata concerning the modem's data pump I can coerce from its innards and packing materials, without mucking about reading about stuff like 'Trellis Code Modulation' in the specifications, which would neither bring me any forwarder nor be understandable to me in any event. So, on the basis of what I have set forth here and in my earlier posts, can some kind modem guru either 1) tell me whether or not my modem is hamstrung so as to require RPI-conformant software, or, failing that, 2) suggest other ways of extracting said data I do not presently know ? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 08:05:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21205 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 08:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26348 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 08:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel-eecis!news.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.15 beta Date: 27 Jul 1996 22:01:57 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4tehml$bj5@chopin.udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu I just noticed on the Kermit homepage that a beta version of MSK 3.15 is now available. I was just wondering if this new version of MSK will also be supporting c-style bracketing of macros, just like the new versions of C-Kermit are doing? Just curious. Thanks. --Jerry 8) Jerry Alexandratos % "Nothing inhabits my (8 8) darkstar@strauss.udel.edu % thoughts, and oblivion (8 8) darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu % drives my desires." (8 -- 8) Jerry Alexandratos % "Nothing inhabits my (8 8) darkstar@strauss.udel.edu % thoughts, and oblivion (8 8) darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu % drives my desires." (8 From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 11:36:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07227 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA29629 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit protocol Date: 28 Jul 1996 15:35:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4tg1cc$a4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4takie$ata@spot.Xpressnet.com> <4tdh2f$df4@jpradley.jpr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tdh2f$df4@jpradley.jpr.com>, Jean-Pierre Radley,320 CPW,NYC,212-877-0440 wrote: : In article <4takie$ata@spot.Xpressnet.com>, wrote: : >Does C-Kermit support protocols other than Kermit ? I need to transfer : >files to a bank in my city, I would like to use C-Kermit on OpenVMS Vax, : >however the protocol MUST be ASCII file transfer protocol. : : What is the ASCII file transfer protocol? : The "ASCII" "protocol", sometimes also known as the "Xon/Xoff protocol", is the simple copying of a file from one computer to another through a communications link. Like in DOS, instead of using Kermit (or Zmodem, or FTP) to transfer a file, you would: copy foo.bar com1 There is a widespread misconception that this is a good idea. If it works at all, it's an accident. It is practically guaranteed NOT to work if the file is more than a few lines long, has 8-bit data, or has control characters. C-Kermit offers an improved version of this in its TRANSMIT command. Obviously, it uses the prevailing flow control method to reduce the chances of (note: NOT prevent) buffer overruns, and when used in text mode, utilizes the echo (if any) from the other end to know when to send the next line, which serves as a crude type of handshake, or higher-level flow control. Read about it in Chapter 10 of "Using C-Kermit" or Chapter 12 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 11:36:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07327 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA29634 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.15 beta Date: 28 Jul 1996 15:36:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4tg1dp$a4s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tehml$bj5@chopin.udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tehml$bj5@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos wrote: : I just noticed on the Kermit homepage that a beta version of MSK 3.15 is : now available. : : I was just wondering if this new version of MSK will also be supporting : c-style bracketing of macros, just like the new versions of C-Kermit are : doing? : Yes, it does support this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 15:55:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03544 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 15:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03849 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 15:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-chi-13.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-chi-8.sprintlink.net!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!lia!glenn From: glenn@ia-us.com (Glenn Herteg) Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Message-ID: <1996Jul28.193939.943@ia-us.com> Keywords: kermit, flow control Reply-To: glenn@lia.com (Glenn Herteg) Organization: IA Corporation, Emeryville, CA References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 19:39:39 GMT Lines: 96 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5664 comp.dcom.modems:145900 >>>: I _can_ set the speed to 38400 .. but max throughput indicates a solid >>>: connection at _half_ that speed, 19200. I _cannot_ seem to access >>>[...] >>>: BTW, the system is an elderly Sun 386i, ... Right there you've probably noted the real culprit. A Sun 386i must be running an extremely old version of SunOS, and the tty drivers from those days are known to have broken flow-control. I have the same problem in a Sun 3/80 running SunOS 4.1.1_U1; see below. >I just tried to download a mail archive of uuencoded stuff with two versions >of the above .kermrc file. Archive size was 2280872 bytes. > >_With_ 'set dial speed-matching off', I got the following: >1) _Lousy_ average packet sizes, all over the map but rarely at the > practical maximum of 8999 bytes. >2) _Lousy_ throughput .. around 1200 CPS. >3) Premature termination due to multiple timeouts less than a quarter of > the way through the download. > >>Another problem I get from this combination of C-Kermit, terminal emulator, >>and windowing system on my box is the (quite sudden) interruption of a file >>transmission with the "too many NAKs" complaint from C-Kermit. >> >>Owing to the fact that I am not _sure_ of binary file transmission accuracy ... > >In conclusion .. "set dial speed-matching off" makes things WORSE .. a LOT >worse. What you describe are all symptoms of the same problem I'm seeing, which is that Kermit does not cope gracefully (ahem) with broken flow control. I wouldn't mind so much, except that its attempted recovery can often result in a corrupted file getting transferred -- yep, the right number of bytes in the file at the receiving end, and kermit claims it's done, but a UNIX "sum" at both ends reveals the file didn't make it across intact. And this is in spite of using Block Check 3 for checksumming packets! I had somebody tell me the chances of this happening were 1 in {large number}; but sorry, folks, it happens in a macroscopic percentage of the time (half the time, perhaps?) on multi-megabyte files, under conditions I'll describe. I have a Sun-3/80 running C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD), with a 9600-baud Telebit QBlazer attached to serial port B. On this serial line, I have installed a tap such that I can direct one side or the other of the conversation to an old dumb terminal. By setting the terminal into "monitor" mode, I can see all the control characters going back and forth as well as the text -- a handy serial-line debugging tool. Normally, I connect to the modem by setting the serial port to 19200 baud. This lets me take advantage of some buffering in the modem when I send stuff, and it generally works just fine. I can download large files from my ISP just fine in this configuration, without error; the effective rate is choked by the 9600 baud modem connection, so that's all the 3/80 sees, and it can handle that rate just fine. (I've tried a 19200 baud modem, and the poor 68030-with-two-wait-states in the 3/80 is overloaded at that speed, and must invoke flow control regularly to choke back the transfer rate.) Sometimes I want to turn around and send out such a file to another site. If I forget to think about it and just dial out using the same parameters, things will appear to work okay -- for awhile. On the dumb terminal, though, I can see lots of CTRL-S and CTRL-Q characters being put out by the modem as it tries to cope with the overload of receiving data at 19200 and only being able to send at 9600. The computer is pretty busy in this mode, so I'll often wander away, and come back to discover the perfmeter has dropped to zero load, and kermit isn't doing much. If I recall correctly, a "Timeout" error is displayed in the fullscreen display. If I allow this to go on, it may eventually recover and restart the transfer at full speed -- but that's generally after a period where it receives stuff and NAKs bunches of packets. I've learned that if the transfer gets into this state but eventually completes, the received file *must* be checksummed for integrity outside of Kermit, because the Block Check 3 on the packet level was inadequate to ensure a reliable transfer. This circumstance raises a design issue for future versions of Kermit. There ought to be a way to perform a separate checksum algorithm over the entire file at each end of the transfer, and have these secondary checksums compared once the transfer is complete. This ought to be automated as part of the protocol, if only under control of some new option. Right now, I cannot trust any large transfer without checking manually. If somebody (Frank?) is interested in the details, I suppose I could set up a transfer in some kind of debug mode and log all the activity, if that would help diagnose the problem. (Obviously, the log files would be quite large.) In particular, I'd like to know how the packet checksumming is fooled on such a regular basis. The "fix" in my situation is to remember to use a different set of options to connect when I want to send files from the 3/80. I end up having a separate line in my ~/.kdd file to set the computer port speed to 9600 baud to match the modem's negotiated connection speed. Under these conditions, there are far fewer CTRL-S and CTRL-Q characters exchanged, so the computer's broken flow-control is not driven into its failure mode. Glenn Herteg glenn@ia-us.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 17:02:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10551 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 17:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA04892 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 17:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Date: 28 Jul 1996 21:01:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 109 Message-ID: <4tgkg7$fiv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Jul28.193939.943@ia-us.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: kermit, flow control Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5665 comp.dcom.modems:145906 In article <1996Jul28.193939.943@ia-us.com>, Glenn Herteg wrote: : >In conclusion .. "set dial speed-matching off" makes things WORSE .. a LOT : >worse. : : What you describe are all symptoms of the same problem I'm seeing, which is : that Kermit does not cope gracefully (ahem) with broken flow control. I : wouldn't mind so much, except that its attempted recovery can often result : in a corrupted file getting transferred -- yep, the right number of bytes : in the file at the receiving end, and kermit claims it's done, but a UNIX : "sum" at both ends reveals the file didn't make it across intact. And this : is in spite of using Block Check 3 for checksumming packets! I had somebody : tell me the chances of this happening were 1 in {large number}; but sorry, : folks, it happens in a macroscopic percentage of the time (half the time, : perhaps?) on multi-megabyte files, under conditions I'll describe. : Isn't this the kind of thing you should report to us when it happens, rather than letting it fester for ... : I have a Sun-3/80 running C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93... : ...three years? Note that the current version is 5A(190), October 1994, and that version 6.0 is in Beta test. (Long story deleted...) : ... I've learned that if the transfer gets into this state but eventually : completes, the received file *must* be checksummed for integrity outside : of Kermit, because the Block Check 3 on the packet level was inadequate to : ensure a reliable transfer. : There was a bug in version 5A(189) in this area. Under a certain set of circumstances, corruption could occur at the PRESENTATION layer (i.e. above the datalink layer, where the block check is applied). It was corrected in version 5A(190). So try version 5A(190) and if you see anything like this happen again, please report it immediately to kermit@columbia.edu. : This circumstance raises a design issue for future versions of Kermit. : There ought to be a way to perform a separate checksum algorithm over the : entire file at each end of the transfer, and have these secondary : checksums compared once the transfer is complete. This ought to be : automated as part of the protocol, if only under control of some new : option. Right now, I cannot trust any large transfer without checking : manually. : You should be able to trust it, period. Of course I have thought about ex-post-facto checksumming, but it could be used only in a very restricted set of cases: . The transfer was in binary mode. Obviously text-mode transfers can't be compared in this way because text transfer mode implies conversions. . The two file systems are the same. The idea of checksumming a file implies that you have a simple UNIX-like stream file system. But if those two cases hold true, you can have all the checksumming you want anyway, using UNIX utilities and a C-Kermit script: define ARG1 return \%1 ; Returns first argument define SUMSEND - ; Send and compare checksums open !read sum \%1,- ; Get checksum of local file if fail end 1 \%1: Can't sum,- ; Can't, fail read \%a,- ; Read it into a variable close read,- ; Close the "sum" process assign sum1 \fexec(arg1 \%a),- ; Get the first "word" of sum set file type binary,- ; Use binary transfer mode send \%1,- ; Send the file if fail end 1 \%1: Transfer failed,- ; Check for failure remote host sum \%1 > /tmp/sum2,- ; Get sum on remote end get /tmp/sum2,- ; Bring it here if fail end 1 sum2: Can't get,- ; Check for failure remote delete /tmp/sum2,- ; Delete the remote sum file open read sum2,- ; Open it if fail end 1 sum2: Can't read,- ; Check for failure read \%a,- ; Read it close read,- ; Close it delete sum2,- ; Delete it assign sum2 \fexec(arg1 \%a),- ; Get the first word of the sum if = \m(sum1) \m(sum2) end 0,- ; If they are equal, succeed end 1 Checksums do NOT agree ; Otherwise fail and print message Version 5A(190) is required for this. In version 6.0 it can be simplified quite a bit. Put these two definitions in your .mykermrc file, and use SUMSEND instead of SEND when you want to send a file in binary mode and compare the checksums afterwards. Requires a Kermit server on the far end and (of course) a "sum" program on each end. In the meantime, I do agree that some sort of ex-post-facto confidence check would be a good thing, and will consider adding it to a future release. Probably this will take the form of one or more \v(xxx) variables, which could be conveniently used in client/server arrangements such as: send blah remote query kermit checksum if not = \v(query) \v(checksum) stop 1 Checksum mismatch Also, with regard to your comment that C-Kermit does not handle massive data loss gracefully -- well, I'll bet it handles it better than any other file transfer protocol you can think of :-) Nevertheless, there will be some additional improvements in the next Beta edit of C-Kermit 6.0 in precisely this area. Watch this space for announcements. And thanks for the (belated) report. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 20:37:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03554 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 20:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA08395 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 20:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!croten From: croten@crl.crl.com (Charles Roten) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Date: 28 Jul 1996 22:39:57 GMT Organization: Widgets, Inc. Lines: 160 Message-ID: References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> <1996Jul28.193939.943@ia-us.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com In-reply-to: glenn@ia-us.com's message of Sun, 28 Jul 1996 19:39:39 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5666 comp.dcom.modems:145922 In article <1996Jul28.193939.943@ia-us.com> glenn@ia-us.com (Glenn Herteg) writes: me> I _can_ set the speed to 38400 .. but max throughput indicates a solid me> connection at _half_ that speed, 19200. I _cannot_ seem to access >>>[...] me> BTW, the system is an elderly Sun 386i, ... glenn> Right there you've probably noted the real culprit. A Sun 386i glenn> must be running an extremely old version of SunOS, No fooling. How about SunOS 4.0.2 .. which was the _last_ version shipped with that box ? There are random rumors of units with a beta version of 4.0.3, but these are as illusive as proof of the afterlife. 8^) 8^) glenn> and the tty glenn> drivers from those days are known to have broken flow-control. I glenn> have the same problem in a Sun 3/80 running SunOS 4.1.1_U1; see below. me> I just tried to download a mail archive of uuencoded stuff with two me> versions of the above .kermrc file. Archive size was 2280872 bytes. me> me> _With_ 'set dial speed-matching off', I got the following: me> 1) _Lousy_ average packet sizes, all over the map but rarely at the me> practical maximum of 8999 bytes. me> 2) _Lousy_ throughput .. around 1200 CPS. me> 3) Premature termination due to multiple timeouts less than a quarter of me> the way through the download. me> me>> Another problem I get from this combination of C-Kermit, terminal me>> emulator, and windowing system on my box is the (quite sudden) me>> interruption of a file transmission with the "too many NAKs" complaint me>> from C-Kermit. me>> me>> Owing to the fact that I am not _sure_ of binary file transmission me>> accuracy ... me> me> In conclusion .. "set dial speed-matching off" makes things WORSE .. a LOT me> worse. glenn> What you describe are all symptoms of the same problem I'm seeing, glenn> which is that Kermit does not cope gracefully (ahem) with broken glenn> flow control. I wouldn't mind so much, except that its attempted glenn> recovery can often result in a corrupted file getting glenn> transferred -- yep, the right number of bytes in the file at the glenn> "receiving end, and kermit claims it's done, but a UNIX sum" at glenn> both ends reveals the file didn't make it across intact. And this glenn> is in spite of using Block Check 3 for checksumming packets! I had glenn> somebody tell me the chances of this happening were 1 in {large glenn> number}; but sorry, folks, it happens in a macroscopic percentage glenn> of the time (half the time, perhaps?) on multi-megabyte files, glenn> under conditions I'll describe. glenn> I have a Sun-3/80 running C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 glenn> (BSD), with a 9600-baud Telebit QBlazer attached to serial port glenn> B. On this serial line, I have installed a tap such that I can glenn> direct one side or the other of the conversation to an old dumb glenn> terminal. By setting the terminal into "monitor" mode, I can see glenn> all the control characters going back and forth as well as the glenn> text -- a handy serial-line debugging tool. glenn> Normally, I connect to the modem by setting the serial port to 19200 glenn> baud. This lets me take advantage of some buffering in the modem glenn> when I send stuff, and it generally works just fine. I can glenn> download large files from my ISP just fine in this configuration, glenn> without error; the effective rate is choked by the 9600 baud modem glenn> connection, so that's all the 3/80 sees, and it can handle that glenn> rate just fine. (I've tried a 19200 baud modem, and the poor ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ glenn> 68030-with-two-wait-states in the 3/80 is overloaded at that speed, and ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ glenn> must invoke flow control regularly to choke back the transfer rate.) I wonder if its really your CPU. You imply you're using a on-motherboard serial port, if I read you correctly .. mind you, I'm no expert on Sun 3/80 hardware, so I don't know how many serial ports the motherboard on that beast could support .. just guessing. But back when I used My OS's DOS emulator and MS-kermit for commo functions, I used _serial_ _port_ _A_ _on_ _the_ _motherboard_. The I/O of which, so I'm told, was limited by the UART on the motherboard. Now, I've tried a 9600 BPS Zoom modem on that sucker .. and, no soap. It seems _totally_ unable to negotiate speeds in excess of 2400 BPS. Just _forget_ about 19200 bps or 28800 bps. Probable culprit .. a neolithic UART. My old box _does_ have an AT bus .. and there are drivers that let UNIX use it, which I "modload" from /etc/rc.local on boot. So I picked up the _internal_ modem I described earlier, with it's _own_ bloody UART, which fits right into one of the (sadly unpopulated) card slots on said AT bus. Then, again from /etc/rc.local, I built a second device special file, /dev/ttym1, just as the 386i list suggested. I can talk to _that_ port using my new modem from UNIX, as serial port B, IRQ 3. Leaving serial port A, /dev/ttya, without a job. Not to mention ths DOS emulator. Under the _present_ arrangement, with the motherboard's serial port completely bypassed and out of it, I routinely (well, not _quite_ routinely .. 8^) transfer files at an effective 1920 CPS. And my CPU loading, as reported by 'perfmeter' and 'perfmon' (yup, my OS is _that_ old 8^), is _nil_. Too small to see. glenn> Sometimes I want to turn around and send out such a file to glenn> another site. If I forget to think about it and just dial out glenn> using the same parameters, things will appear to work okay -- for glenn> awhile. On the dumb terminal, though, I can see lots of CTRL-S glenn> and CTRL-Q characters being put out by the modem as it tries to glenn> cope with the overload of receiving data at 19200 and only being glenn> able to send at 9600. glenn> The computer is pretty busy in this mode, so I'll often wander glenn> away, and come back to discover the perfmeter has dropped to zero glenn> load, and kermit isn't doing much. If I recall correctly, a " glenn> Timeout" error is displayed in the fullscreen display. If I allow glenn> this to go on, it may eventually recover and restart the transfer glenn> at full speed -- but that's generally after a period where it glenn> receives stuff and NAKs bunches of packets. I've learned that if glenn> the transfer gets into this state but eventually completes, the glenn> *received file must* be checksummed for integrity outside of glenn> Kermit, because the Block Check 3 on the packet level was glenn> inadequate to ensure a reliable transfer. I get the same sort of behavior .. with an internal modem, low CPU loading, and rtc/cts flow control. You earlier mentioned that the misbehavior was, you suspected, at the device-driver level. Perhaps it is independent of these other issues. Oh, yes, before I forget .. I've got rts/cts flow control set up in both C-Kermits, fore-and-aft, in their .kermrc files. And I've checked both using "show". But when I add in "&k3" to the dialin string I feed C-Kermit on my end, to _force_ my modem to rts/cts flow control, it (again) makes matters _worse_ .. file transfers screwed up in much the same fashion except worse, and sooner) as with 'set dial speed-matching off' .. multi- second periods of lockup in interactive throughput (a minute or more, in some cases) .. a mess. _Ignoring_/_not_using_ "&k3" in the dialin string makes all these pathologies go away. _HUH_ ?!?!? glenn> This circumstance raises a design issue for future versions of glenn> Kermit. There ought to be a way to perform a separate checksum glenn> algorithm over the entire file at each end of the transfer, and have glenn> these secondary checksums compared once the transfer is complete. glenn> This ought to be automated as part of the protocol, if only under glenn> control of some new option. Right now, I cannot trust any large glenn> transfer without checking manually. glenn> If somebody (Frank?) is interested in the details, I suppose I glenn> could set up a transfer in some kind of debug mode and log all the glenn> activity, if that would help diagnose the problem. (Obviously, glenn> the log files would be quite large.) In particular, I'd like to glenn> know how the packet checksumming is fooled on such a regular basis. glenn> The "fix" in my situation is to remember to use a different set of glenn> options to connect when I want to send files from the 3/80. I end glenn> up having a separate line in my ~/.kdd file to set the computer glenn> port speed to 9600 baud to match the modem's negotiated connection glenn> speed. Under these conditions, there are far fewer CTRL-S and glenn> CTRL-Q characters exchanged, so the computer's broken flow-control is not driven into its failure mode. glenn> Glenn Herteg glenn> glenn@ia-us.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 21:24:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07073 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA09302 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Date: 29 Jul 1996 01:24:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-ID: <4th3rr$k91@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Jul28.193939.943@ia-us.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5667 comp.dcom.modems:145925 In article , Charles Roten wrote: : ... : Oh, yes, before I forget .. I've got rts/cts flow control set up in both : C-Kermits, fore-and-aft, in their .kermrc files. And I've checked both : using "show". : Remember: In old versions of SunOS, RTS/CTS flow control doesn't work as expected. From the ckuker.bwr (C-Kermit for UNIX "Beware" file): "On Sun computers with SunOS 4.0, SET FLOW RTS/CTS works only if the carrier signal is present from the communication device at the time when C-Kermit enters packet mode or CONNECT mode. If carrier is not sensed (e.g. when dialing), C-Kermit does not attempt to turn on RTS/CTS flow control. This is because the SunOS serial device driver does not allow characters to be output if RTS/CTS is set (CRTSCTS) but carrier (and DSR) are not present. Workaround (maybe): SET CARRIER OFF before giving the SET LINE command, establish the connection, then SET FLOW RTS/CTS." : But when I add in "&k3" to the dialin string I feed C-Kermit : on my end, to _force_ my modem to rts/cts flow control, it (again) makes : matters _worse_ .. file transfers screwed up in much the same fashion : except worse, and sooner)... : But we still don't know if your modem is an RPI model or not. This seems to suggest that it is. : ... as with 'set dial speed-matching off' ... : which (again) has nothing whatever to do with how efficient file transfers are -- it only tells C-Kermit whether to change its interface speed in response to the modem's CONNECT message when you first make the call, period. : ... multi-second periods of lockup in interactive throughput (a minute or : more, in some cases) .. a mess. _Ignoring_/_not_using_ "&k3" in the dialin : string makes all these pathologies go away. _HUH_ ?!?!? : Probably because you are telling the modem to use RTS/CTS flow control between itself and the Sun, but (if it is an RPI model) it has NO WAY to pass the flow control upstream to the other modem because there is NO LAPM OR MNP PROTOCOL between the two modems. The same applies in the other direction. There was a long and senseless debate about RPI and similar modems in comp.dcom.modems about a year ago. "What happens when some poor soul tries to use one in a UNIX workstation?" "Why would anybody do that?" was the glib answer. We still don't know for sure that you have an RPI modem -- its diagnostics are uninformative, you have no documentation... But it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck. There are ways you could find out for sure. E.g. place a call to (say) a USR Courier, and then give an ATI6 command to the Courier to see if an error-corrected connection was negotiated. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 29 10:06:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22831 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA11444 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nb.rockwell.com!tokyo.rockwell.com!palm From: palm@tokyo.rockwell.com (Stephen [kiwin] PALM) Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal In-Reply-To: croten@crl.crl.com's message of 27 Jul 1996 07: 54:54 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems X-Disclaimer: These are my personal opinions, not Rockwell's Sender: news@nb.rockwell.com Organization: Rockwell International Japan, JEDC References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:57:52 GMT Return-Receipt-To: palm@tokyo.rockwell.com (Palm Stephen) Lines: 20 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5668 comp.dcom.modems:145977 ** > "Charles" == Charles Roten Charles> Since _both_ you _and_ Frank Da Cruz warned me about the Charles> "Rockwell RPI" chipset problems, I decided to take you _both_ Charles> seriously about this issue. Though I still am not sure Charles> whether my modem has this problem or not .. and indeed had Charles> never heard of it until your responses to my earlier post. All RPI modems inicate they are RPI modems in the output of the ATI3 command. You can check: http://www.nb.rockwell.com/ref/rpi.html for more information on RPI. regards, kiwin -- ----- Stephen [kiwin] Palm COMNET 930-1564 T: +81-3-5371-1564 Rockwell Semiconductor Systems (JST=PST+17hours) F: +81-3-5371-1507 Japan Engineering Design Center E: palm@tokyo.rockwell.com s.palm@ieee.org spalm@cmu.edu palm@itu.ch palm@lssl.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 29 16:38:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10202 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18182 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!dendarii.demon.co.uk From: Michael Bernardi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Novell Client32 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 19:37:24 GMT Organization: Miles' Minions Lines: 27 Message-ID: <838669044snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> References: <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> <837986911snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> <1996Jul22.031916.83060@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dendarii.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 X-Mail2News-Path: dendarii.demon.co.uk In article <1996Jul22.031916.83060@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu "Joe Doupnik" writes: > In article <837986911snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, Michael Bernardi > writes: >> I've recently upgraded to the NEW Novell 32 Bit Client. This has just come >> out of beta, so I thought I'd try MS-Kermit with this new ODI interface. >> It failed:-(, will MS-Kermit be patched to allow this to work or did I do >> something stupid? I was using MS-Kermit 3.14. >> >> I'm using the new 32 bit Client for Windows 3.1 and DOS. The Windows 95 >> version has been out of beta for some time. I am attempting to use it under DOS and NOT in a Windoze DOS box. > ------------- > MS-DOS Kermit works fine with Novell's Client32 for DOS/Win31. > One needs to load lsl and pdoseth after the main Client32 components. > That's the way a 16-bit real mode ODI interface is offered. > Joe D. I've just tried this, when back to work, and all the bits appear to load OK BUT Kermit refuses to work :-(. Does the fact I'm using Token Ring have any effect? I used pdostok.com rather than pdoseth.com. Mike -- The Bujold Nexus at http://www.herald.co.uk/~dendarii/ for lovers of SF and the work of Lois McMaster Bujold From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 29 17:31:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20977 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA19230 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!news.Arizona.EDU!packrat.aml.arizona.edu!dsew From: dsew@packrat.aml.arizona.edu (David Sewell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Question on Macintosh Latin character set Date: 29 Jul 1996 21:13:41 GMT Organization: Department of Geosciences, University of Arizona Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4tj9i5$l70@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: packrat.aml.arizona.edu NNTP-Posting-User: dsew I need to distribute some files that use the ISO Latin-1 character set, and I'm using the XLATE function of C-Kermit to translate them into a couple of other formats (PC codepage 850, plain ASCII). If I use the Macintosh-Latin translation that C-Kermit provides, will the result be a file that will make sense to any standard Macintosh word processor, or does it require MacKermit to display properly? (I don't have any reasonable access to a Mac & so can't easily test this myself.) Thanks, David S. -- David Sewell * dsew@packrat.aml.arizona.edu | "Seekers for gold dig much Dep't of Geosciences, University of Arizona | earth, and find little gold." WWW: http://packrat.aml.arizona.edu/~dsew/ | --Heraclitus From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 29 17:43:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24182 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA19405 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Question on Macintosh Latin character set Date: 29 Jul 1996 17:43:21 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4tjb9p$nja@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tj9i5$l70@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tj9i5$l70@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, David Sewell wrote: : I need to distribute some files that use the ISO Latin-1 character : set, and I'm using the XLATE function of C-Kermit to translate them : into a couple of other formats (PC codepage 850, plain ASCII). If : I use the Macintosh-Latin translation that C-Kermit provides, will : the result be a file that will make sense to any standard Macintosh : word processor : Yes, it should make sense. Macintosh Latin has all the characters of Latin-1, plus a bunch of others, since Macintosh character sets, like IBM code pages, use the 32 C1 positions for graphic characters. You can read all about Macintosh Latin in the file: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/charsets/maclatin.* - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 30 10:45:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11865 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25340 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet From: jhpark@entropy.kaist.ac.kr (Park Jae-hyon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems of Korean letters in MSK314 & 315beta Date: 30 Jul 1996 19:57:08 +0900 Organization: KAIST Lines: 77 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: entropy.kaist.ac.kr X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 Hi. In our computing room, a DOS machine is connected to a Linux one through a null-modem cable. MS-Kermit is running on the DOS machine and almost everything goes fine. The problem is when I type in Korean letters on the DOS machine. As you may know, one Korean letter is represented by a pair of bytes >= 0x80. Bytes < 0x80 are used for ordinary ASCII characters. I have set my MS-Kermit like this: set terminal bytesize 8 set terminal character-set transparent Some letters (i.e. some pairs of bytes) are always entered correctly. Some are entered correctly when followed by a Korean letter or an alphabet but truncated when followed by LF, space, TAB, +, etc. (2nd byte of the pair is discarded). For instance, when I run `od', a dump program in the Linux box, and type a letter of codes, 0xb1 0xa1, four times, and type Enter, ^D, the result is: $ od -tx1 °¡°¡°¡°¡ <- This is what I typed 0000000 b0 a1 b0 a1 b0 a1 b0 a1 0a 0000011 $ This letter, 0xb1 0xa1, is `a letter of good behavior.' But, for 0xc0 0xe5: $ od -tx1 ÀåÀåÀåÀå <- This is what I typed 0000000 c0 e5 c0 e5 c0 e5 c0 0a 0000010 $ The byte immediately before 0x0a is missing. There must be a 0xe5 before 0x0a! Not only before linefeed code the second byte disappears but also before¤characters like a space or `+' or ESC and the like. Some more examples: $ od -tx1 abcdÀå°¡Àå°¡+ 0000000 61 62 63 64 c0 e5 b0 a1 c0 e5 b0 a1 2b 0a 0000016 $ od -tx1 abcd°¡Àå°¡Àå+ 0000000 61 62 63 64 b0 a1 c0 e5 b0 a1 c0 2b 0a 0000015 $ od -tx1 Àå°¡Àå°¡efgh 0000000 c0 e5 b0 a1 c0 e5 b0 a1 65 66 67 68 0a 0000015 $ od -tx1 °¡Àå°¡Àåefgh 0000000 b0 a1 c0 e5 b0 a1 c0 e5 65 66 67 68 0a 0000015 With MS-Kermit 3.13, this problem was absent. -- Park, Jae-hyon Dept. of Physics, KAIST jhpark@entropy.kaist.ac.kr From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 30 13:01:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02876 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA27965 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!lia!glenn From: glenn@ia-us.com (Glenn Herteg) Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Message-ID: <1996Jul30.164039.1803@ia-us.com> Reply-To: glenn@lia.com (Glenn Herteg) Organization: IA Corporation, Emeryville, CA References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> <1996Jul28.193939.943@ia-us.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:40:39 GMT Lines: 63 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5673 comp.dcom.modems:146125 >glenn> Normally, I connect to the modem by setting the serial port to 19200 >glenn> baud. ... (I've tried a 19200 baud modem, and the poor > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >glenn> 68030-with-two-wait-states in the 3/80 is overloaded at that speed, and > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >glenn> must invoke flow control regularly to choke back the transfer rate.) > >I wonder if its really your CPU. You imply you're using a on-motherboard >serial port, if I read you correctly .. mind you, I'm no expert on Sun 3/80 >hardware, so I don't know how many serial ports the motherboard on that >beast could support .. just guessing. The 3/80 has only the on-board serial ports, and no direct way to expand (unless there's some SCSI or Ethernet box on the market, with a Sun-3 driver, that would support terminal ports). >glenn> I've learned that if >glenn> the transfer gets into this state but eventually completes, the >glenn> *received file must* be checksummed for integrity outside of >glenn> Kermit, because the Block Check 3 on the packet level was >glenn> inadequate to ensure a reliable transfer. > >I get the same sort of behavior .. with an internal modem, low CPU loading, >and rtc/cts flow control. You earlier mentioned that the misbehavior was, >you suspected, at the device-driver level. Perhaps it is independent of >these other issues. Frank has indicated the likely problem; I'll upgrade my kermit and run some tests. I had not done the upgrade before because the version I use seemed otherwise fine, there was a clear workaround, and I felt I had no right to expect a protocol to work when I'm telling it to depend on a transport known to be broken. Frank seems to feel otherwise, so okay, I'll take up the challenge. (The other reason I didn't upgrade had to do with the default behavior on transferring partial files. It's possible in the 190 version to have partial files left around, and you get no notice of this. Oh, yes, I suppose the fullscreen display would tell me that at the end of the transfer. But if I'm using an xterm [for instance; lots of terminals have this "problem"] then the fullscreen display flips into an alternate screen, which [kazaam!] disappears once the transfer is done. There went my notification of success or failure. [To fix this, I think a simple success or failure notification, and the name of any partial file left hanging around, ought to be repeated on the original screen once fullscreen mode ends.] I've modified the terminfo entry for xterm to form one I call "kterm" without this alternate-screen ability, but I generally forget to use it. And I suppose there may be an option to turn off this partial-file behavior [I don't remember now], but I just didn't feel a need to play around with it before.) >Oh, yes, before I forget .. I've got rts/cts flow control set up in both >C-Kermits, fore-and-aft, in their .kermrc files. Bad news, as Frank has pointed out. I wouldn't even try the suggested fix, since (if I recall correctly) nowhere in the manuals is it suggested that you really have the proper control on both the RTS and CTS lines. Sun has a patch for the tty driver to supposedly fix all this, but only for SPARC machines. Software flow control, bad as it is, is probably the best solution for you. Glenn Herteg glenn@ia-us.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 30 13:42:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11910 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA28541 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Date: 30 Jul 1996 17:42:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 73 Message-ID: <4tlhhp$fm8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Jul28.193939.943@ia-us.com> <1996Jul30.164039.1803@ia-us.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5674 comp.dcom.modems:146136 In article <1996Jul30.164039.1803@ia-us.com>, Glenn Herteg wrote: : >I get the same sort of behavior .. with an internal modem, low CPU loading, : >and rtc/cts flow control. You earlier mentioned that the misbehavior was, : >you suspected, at the device-driver level. Perhaps it is independent of : >these other issues. : : Frank has indicated the likely problem; I'll upgrade my kermit and run : some tests. I had not done the upgrade before because the version I use : seemed otherwise fine, there was a clear workaround, and I felt I had no : right to expect a protocol to work when I'm telling it to depend on a : transport known to be broken. Frank seems to feel otherwise, so okay, : I'll take up the challenge. : : (The other reason I didn't upgrade had to do with the default behavior : on transferring partial files. It's possible in the 190 version to have : partial files left around, and you get no notice of this. : Right, the *default* changed. This is to allow recovery of broken transmissions, a much asked-for feature. You can, of course, restore the previous behavior of discarding patially received files by putting the following command in your .kermrc: set file incomplete discard and/or you can test whether a transfer succeeded (even if you do keep the fragment from a failed transfer) using SHOW STATUS, IF SUCCESS ..., looking in the transaction log, or in any number of other ways, including... : I suppose the fullscreen display would tell me that at the end of the : transfer. But if I'm using an xterm [for instance; lots of terminals : have this "problem"] then the fullscreen display flips into an alternate : screen, which [kazaam!] disappears once the transfer is done. : Well, that's not nice of your xterm. Using a normal terminal or emulator, this doesn't happen, and you have the entire transfer display to look at after the transfer is done. Not a Kermit problem. : There went my notification of success or failure. [To fix this, I think a : simple success or failure notification, and the name of any partial file : left hanging around, ought to be repeated on the original screen once : fullscreen mode ends.] : And others think we are way too verbose already :-) But that's what the macro language is for: define verbosesend send \%1, show status define verbosereceive receive, - show status, - xif fail { echo, echo PARTIAL file received: \v(filespec), echo } By the way, the next release of C-Kermit will indeed have a CRC generation and checking feature, so you will be able to do the following to verify that a binary-mode transfer produced the desired result, assuming you have a Kermit client and a Kermit server that both support this feature: set file type binary send (or get) (one or more files) remote query kermit crc16 if not = \v(query) \v(crc16) echo CRC mismatch else echo CRC comparison OK (Replace the ECHO commands with whatever you need to handle failure and success.) This feature uses the CRC-16 code that has proven itself portable to over 500 different platforms -- 16-bit, 32-bit, 64-bit -- over the past 10 years, so you don't have to worry about sign extension, endianness, word size or other problems that "man sum" hints at. Plus, unlike "sum", it will be available in other operating systems besides just UNIX. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 30 16:06:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06531 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA01016 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!news.isi.edu!usenet From: Naveen Ashish Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Basic Question - Can I write a batch program to dial out ? Date: 30 Jul 1996 19:00:02 GMT Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4tlm3i$hhn@venera.isi.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: isd12.isi.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4c) X-URL: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc I have a basic question regarding Kermit. Can I write a program (in say C) that uses LKermit to dial out , retrieve files etc. on its own, without any user interaction ? Thanks for the info. - Naveen Ashish(ashish@isi.edu) From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 30 16:14:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07376 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA01149 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Basic Question - Can I write a batch program to dial out ? Date: 30 Jul 1996 20:14:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4tlqeu$jft@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tlm3i$hhn@venera.isi.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tlm3i$hhn@venera.isi.edu>, Naveen Ashish wrote: : I have a basic question regarding Kermit. Can I write a program : (in say C) that uses LKermit to dial out , retrieve files etc. on its : own, without any user interaction ? : If it is C-Kermit, Kermit 95, or MS-DOS Kermit, yes. All of these include complete script programming languages which are described in their respective manuals. You can write Kermit scripts to do practically anything automatically that you would do by hand. More information about Kermit versions and their manuals at our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 30 16:59:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15393 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA01863 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!usenet From: Scott Herrington Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Disabling ALT-X in K95? Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:54:21 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <31FE767D.7DC3@asu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: scott.lib.asu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (WinNT; I) We are looking at the possibility of putting K95 on all (220) of the public workstations in our library. The scripting capability of K95 allows us to deal with some serious problems we have; the ability to launch directly into telnet (and have it go away when you disconnect--at least in 1.1.5--fits our environemt; and the price for a bulk license is great. But, we have one serious reservation: we want to keep patrons in the telnet session, and not let them alt-x to the command prompt. One they get there, away they go--and we can't allow that. So, is there any way of disabling the ability (alt-x) to go to the command line? Scott Herrington Arizona State University scott.herrington@asu.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 30 17:15:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18034 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA02265 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Disabling ALT-X in K95? Date: 30 Jul 1996 21:15:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4tlu14$kv7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31FE767D.7DC3@asu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31FE767D.7DC3@asu.edu>, Scott Herrington wrote: : We are looking at the possibility of putting K95 on all (220) of the : public workstations in our library. The scripting capability of K95 : allows us to deal with some serious problems we have; the ability to : launch directly into telnet (and have it go away when you disconnect--at : least in 1.1.5--fits our environemt; and the price for a bulk license is : great. But, we have one serious reservation: we want to keep patrons : in the telnet session, and not let them alt-x to the command prompt. : One they get there, away they go--and we can't allow that. So, is there : any way of disabling the ability (alt-x) to go to the command line? : Yes. I'll respond privately. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 30 21:40:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20407 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA06681 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!nb.rockwell.com!tokyo.rockwell.com!palm From: palm@tokyo.rockwell.com (Stephen [kiwin] PALM) Subject: Re: But do I _really_ have an RPI modem ?? (was: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal) In-Reply-To: croten@crl.crl.com's message of 28 Jul 1996 04: 19:50 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: X-Disclaimer: These are my personal opinions, not Rockwell's Sender: news@nb.rockwell.com Organization: Rockwell International Japan, JEDC References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> <4tddcp$prv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:52:05 GMT Return-Receipt-To: palm@tokyo.rockwell.com (Palm Stephen) Lines: 47 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5679 comp.dcom.modems:146199 ** > "Roten" == Charles Roten Roten> OK. I've read through the FAQ on the horrors of the RPI Roten> "standards". And I must say I thoroughly agree with the Roten> authors. You may also wish to check the information at: http://www.nb.rockwell.com/ref/rpi.html Roten> Now .. the system is an elderly Sun 386i, with a generic "Best Roten> Data" "Smart One" (tm) 2834F Rockwell chipset v.34 internal Roten> modem. I _have_ the original box the modem came in. Nowhere Roten> on the surface is the legend "requires RPI-compliant software" Roten> or any equivalent statement displayed. Nor was such language Roten> to be found in the manual when I searched for it. Roten> The command Roten> ati3 Roten> produced the result Roten> V1.400-V34_DP ROCKWELL This is the definitive test if a modem is RPI or not. Since RPI is not mentioned in the output of ATI3, this modem contains "hardware" error correction and data compression (ie, it is not an RPI-only modem). Roten> ati6 Roten> produced Roten> RC288DPi Rev 05BA This indicates it is a V34 capable data pump. Roten> So, on the basis of what I have set forth here and in my Roten> earlier posts, can some kind modem guru either 1) tell me Roten> whether or not my modem is hamstrung so as to require Roten> RPI-conformant software, or, failing that, 2) suggest other Roten> ways of extracting said data I do not presently know ? Thanks. You modem is not RPI. regards, kiwin -- ----- Stephen [kiwin] Palm COMNET 930-1564 T: +81-3-5371-1564 Rockwell Semiconductor Systems (JST=PST+17hours) F: +81-3-5371-1507 Japan Engineering Design Center E: palm@tokyo.rockwell.com s.palm@ieee.org spalm@cmu.edu palm@itu.ch palm@lssl.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 00:50:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05543 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA10053 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!news.inc.net!newspump.sol.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.campus.rpslmc.edu!dialup23 From: jcanar@hsmsun.tob.rpslmc.edu (jeff canar) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit can't finish the connection Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 02:53:50 GMT Organization: dept. of health systems managment - rush university Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4tmi68$shp@cwis.campus.rpslmc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup23.campus.rpslmc.edu X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 o.k., here goes, i have successfully used kermit (3.14) on a variety of p.c.s with both serial and tcp/ip connections but this has me stumped. i'm trying to use kermit on a gateway 2000 p75 with a 28.8k telepath fax modem. when i dial into one particular server (which works fine with every other kermit i've installed), it dials, starts the connection (i hear the other computer answer, the tone changes, and then hangs at that tone/noise e.g. the second tone), and then does nothing till i hit a key at which point i get "no carrier". kermit works fine dialing other servers, but not the one i most need. and i can sit there with a laptop next to me and dial into the guilty server w/o a problem using kermit. and perhaps related: i only seem to get a connection when i use 9600, 28800, 38400, and 57600. setting the speed to 14400 and hitting connect yields nothing (i.e. nothing i type is echoed on the screen). i have "using msdos kermit" but can't find a solution. any thoughts? thanks in advance, jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 03:22:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA15378 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 03:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA12627 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 03:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet From: jhpark@entropy.kaist.ac.kr (Park Jae-hyon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems of Korean letters in MSK314 & 315beta Date: 31 Jul 1996 09:34:33 +0900 Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: entropy.kaist.ac.kr In-reply-to: jhpark@entropy.kaist.ac.kr's message of 30 Jul 1996 19:57:08 +0900 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 Sorry, there was a typo in the question. All `0xb1 0xa1's in the following must have been `0xb0 0xa1's. In article jhpark@entropy.kaist.ac.kr (Park Jae-hyon) writes: | For instance, when I run `od', a dump program | in the Linux box, and type a letter of codes, | 0xb1 0xa1, four times, and type Enter, ^D, | the result is: | | $ od -tx1 | °¡°¡°¡°¡ <- This is what I typed | 0000000 b0 a1 b0 a1 b0 a1 b0 a1 0a | 0000011 | $ | | This letter, 0xb1 0xa1, is `a letter of good behavior.' -- Park, Jae-hyon Dept. of Physics, KAIST jhpark@entropy.kaist.ac.kr From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 03:27:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA15523 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 03:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA12715 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 03:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!news From: mbaucom@vnet.net (Milton A. Baucom) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Progress indicator while "transmitting" a file? Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:17:03 GMT Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <31fe977a.77287934@news.vnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vts-char6-s9.vnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 When transmitting a file with the transmit command, the only progress indicator appears to be letting the file contents echo to the screen. Does there exist some sort of switch so I can get dots or equivalent? I'd rather not see the file scroll by. Thanks for any help. MAB --------------------------------------------------------------- Milton A. Baucom | Hot Doughnuts Now! mbaucom@vnet.net | -- Krispy Kreme From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 05:19:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA23658 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 05:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA14451 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 05:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!djwhome.demon.co.uk From: David Woolley Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ICMP: TTL exceeded in transit (in MS-Kermit 3.14) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 20:35:52 GMT Organization: Demon Subscriber at Home Lines: 21 Sender: news Message-ID: References: <96206.150456EPD103@psuvm.psu.edu> X-NNTP-Posting-Host: djwhome.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: djwhome.demon.co.uk In article , Richard Pieri wrote: > >ICMP is an answerback protocol; you probably know it as the 'ping' >command. TTL is 'time to live'. The error probably means Kermit sent >out an ICMP packet and it did not get a response within a specified >span. ICMP is an error reporting protocol (mainly, although ping uses its other function as a management/diagnostics protocol). TTL expired means that an outbound packet of any IP type (in general not ICMP) was relayed by too many routers. This will happen either because the routers are confused and routing in circles, or because the route is very tortuous and too small a TTL was specified. Traceroute works by sending UDP packets with successively larger TTL values and seeing which router returns an ICMP. -- David Woolley, London, England david@djwhome.demon.co.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 09:16:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13535 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA07123 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress indicator while "transmitting" a file? Date: 31 Jul 1996 13:15:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4tnma0$rng@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31fe977a.77287934@news.vnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31fe977a.77287934@news.vnet.net>, Milton A. Baucom wrote: : When transmitting a file with the transmit command, the only progress : indicator appears to be letting the file contents echo to the screen. : : Does there exist some sort of switch so I can get dots or equivalent? : I'd rather not see the file scroll by. : You can SET TRANSMIT ECHO OFF to not see the file scroll by, but presently there is no other progress indicator. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 09:25:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14683 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA07255 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit can't finish the connection Date: 31 Jul 1996 13:25:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4tnmsf$rss@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tmi68$shp@cwis.campus.rpslmc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tmi68$shp@cwis.campus.rpslmc.edu>, jeff canar wrote: : i have successfully used kermit (3.14) on a variety of p.c.s with both : serial and tcp/ip connections but this has me stumped. i'm trying to use : kermit on a gateway 2000 p75 with a 28.8k telepath fax modem. when i dial : into one particular server (which works fine with every other kermit i've : installed), it dials, starts the connection (i hear the other computer : answer, the tone changes, and then hangs at that tone/noise e.g. the : second tone), and then does nothing till i hit a key at which point i get : "no carrier". kermit works fine dialing other servers, but not the one i : most need. and i can sit there with a laptop next to me and dial into the : guilty server w/o a problem using kermit. : It has nothing to do with Kermit and everything to do with the particular combination of modems. : and perhaps related: i only seem to get a connection when i use 9600, : 28800, 38400, and 57600. setting the speed to 14400 and hitting connect : yields nothing (i.e. nothing i type is echoed on the screen). : See our faq: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt about trying to use 14400 as a connection speed. To make the connection work, you have to find modem settings (and usually not Kermit settings) that coerce the modems into working with each other. Normally, with modern modems, this is supposed to happen automatically in the negotiations that take place when the modems first make contact, but sometimes the negotiations fail or (worse) seem to succeed when they shouldn't have. Get out your modem manual(s) and read, in particular, about the modulation and error-correction selections, especially fallback. One possible explanation is that one modem has been told not to fall back and the other is falling back, and so they lose the ability to talk to each other. Usually the best course is to use the modem's defaults for everything, which generally allow all options and fallbacks to be negotiated, and don't disallow anything. But everything depends on the particular modem. And some modems are just plain buggy -- or worse: some modems are lacking certain essential features; see our FAQ about RPI modems, and the recent discussion on this newsgroup. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 11:05:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09636 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA08960 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!news.cerf.net!hacgate2.hac.com!news.delcoelect.com!not-for-mail From: c23st@eng.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS Kermit 3.14 delays at 28.8. Date: 31 Jul 1996 13:59:55 GMT Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 29 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kocrsw06.delcoelect.com I have been using Kermit 3.14 with a Practical Peripherals 28.8 external modem on a Gateway PC and 16550A card. I use the official PPI.SCR init file and all works well. I usually connect to my ISP at 26400. Over the last few days I've been getting more 28.8 connects, and I have noticed a pause problem which *may be* Kermit related. Basically the modem stops responding for a few seconds during interactive use. What makes it interesting is that (a) it just started happening, and (b), when I type stuff I do not see the modem's lights acknowledging. After a few seconds it comes back. If I type ctrl-] C and C again it usually clears itself up (which is why I wonder if Kermit is doing things) This happens only while editing text with Pico :-) so far and always while typing text. (not while reading or file transferring. In a sense it reminds me of an older problem with Kermit on VMS a while back on 3.13. What would be a good way to investigate this further? I'd like to find out during a pause if kermit is indeed receiving and passing my stuff to the modem (whatever I type is buffered and is eventually passed on) but the modem itself has choked, or if kermit is not responding. Any hints would be appreciated! Thanks! Spiros -- Spiros Triantafyllopoulos Kokomo, IN 46902 (317) 451-0815 (8-322) Corporate Software Technology Email: c23st@eng.delcoelect.com Delco Electronics Corporation URL: http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~strianta/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 11:13:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10996 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA09093 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 delays at 28.8. Date: 31 Jul 1996 15:13:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4tnt6k$sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com>, Spiros Triantafyllopoulos wrote: : I have been using Kermit 3.14 with a Practical Peripherals 28.8 external : modem on a Gateway PC and 16550A card. I use the official PPI.SCR : init file and all works well. I usually connect to my ISP at 26400. : : Over the last few days I've been getting more 28.8 connects, and I have : noticed a pause problem which *may be* Kermit related. Basically the : modem stops responding for a few seconds during interactive use. : : What makes it interesting is that (a) it just started happening, and : (b), when I type stuff I do not see the modem's lights acknowledging. : It sounds like the modem is flow-controlling the PC. Which could happen for many different reasons. The most likely reason is that it is busy engaging in some protocol with the other modem -- falling back or falling forward, retraining, recovering from transmission errors by retransmitting LAPM blocks, etc. You say this just started happening at the same time that you started getting 28800 bps connections rather than 26400, so maybe your ISP installed some new modems and this accounts for the new behavior. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 13:32:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05609 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11362 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: oak@crl.com (Tony Gonzalez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ckermit: record (learn) macro? Date: 31 Jul 1996 01:03:55 -0700 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 56 Message-ID: <4tn41b$mqd@crl.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In my dos com program I was able to dial and login to my unix shell account and all could be recorded in a macro file which I could later execute. So the whole macro would automatically be created. Can I do this in ckermit? The script language looks Greek to me and doing something like this really helps learn the macro language fast and to the specific needs of the individual. The closest sample macro I seen in the docs to what I want to do is the sample script below, but I hesitate to use it because it's not commented and I really don't know what's going on in some of the steps, also, I'd have to add something like "DIAL MYISP" to the macro. Anyone have a sample unix shell account dial in script? Thanks -Tony --- this is the closest thing to a unix shell account dial-in macro I saw --- COMMENT - UNIXLOGIN macro. Arguments: ; \%1 = user ID ; \%2 = password ; def UNIXLOGIN if < \v(argc) 2 end 1 Usage: \%0 userid password,- if eq \fcode(\%2) 32 asg \%2 \fsubst(\%2,2), - while not def \%2 { - askq \%2 { \%1's password: } - },- set parity none,- set duplex full,- set handshake none,- set case on,- out \13,- set input timeout proceed,- for \%i 1 15 1 { - in 5 login:,- if success goto DOLOGIN,- output \\B - },- end 1 No login prompt,- :DOLOGIN,- out \%1\13,- inp 5 Password:,- if fail end 1 No password prompt,- out \%2\13,- def \%2,- if not def \%3 asg \%3 {\13\10$ },- inp 60 \%3,- if fail end 1 No system prompt,- echo, echo Login successful. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 13:47:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07140 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11551 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ckermit: record (learn) macro? Date: 31 Jul 1996 17:47:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-ID: <4to678$482@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tn41b$mqd@crl.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tn41b$mqd@crl.crl.com>, Tony Gonzalez wrote: : In my dos com program I was able to dial and login to my unix shell account : and all could be recorded in a macro file which I could later execute. So : the whole macro would automatically be created. Can I do this in ckermit? : No, sorry. : The script language looks Greek to me and doing something like this really : helps learn the macro language fast and to the specific needs of the : individual. : We might add learned scripts in a future release, but there are a lot of items on our to-do list and that one is fairly far down. Learned scripts are not all they are cracked up to be; the program that is creating them does not necessarily know what you know. There is no substitute for human intelligence. : The closest sample macro I seen in the docs to what I want to do is : the sample script below, but I hesitate to use it because it's not : commented and I really don't know what's going on in some of the steps, : also, I'd have to add something like "DIAL MYISP" to the macro. : : Anyone have a sample unix shell account dial in script? : The one that you enclosed is the one most people are using: : COMMENT - UNIXLOGIN macro. Arguments: : ; \%1 = user ID : ; \%2 = password : The construction of this macro, and of macros and scripts in general, is the topic of three chapters of the manual, "Using C-Kermit". Please consult the manual. A couple brief hints: INPUT waits for the given text to appear within the given number of seconds. IF SUCCESS or IF FAILURE are used to test whether it did or not. OUTPUT sends the as if you had typed it. \13 is carriage return, \%x, where x is any letter or digit, is a variable. See the manual for the rest. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 15:55:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26262 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA13712 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!nntp1.jpl.nasa.gov!news.magicnet.net!news.cdsnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!emngw1.eastman.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!wizard.pn.com!news-in.tiac.net!news-old.tiac.net!usenet From: David Scollo Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit subshell command exit status Date: 31 Jul 1996 18:45:22 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4to9k2$sgk@news-old.tiac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccraft.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) Is there a way to have a kermit script determine the exit status of a command executed using the ! operator? The \v(exitstatus) variable does not seem to provide this. I am running C-Kermit ver 5a/189 under SCO UNIX and XENIX. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 16:24:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29366 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14228 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit subshell command exit status Date: 31 Jul 1996 20:24:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4tofe0$7oa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4to9k2$sgk@news-old.tiac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4to9k2$sgk@news-old.tiac.net>, David Scollo wrote: : Is there a way to have a kermit script determine the exit : status of a command executed using the ! operator? The : \v(exitstatus) variable does not seem to provide this. : \v(exitstatus) is C-Kermit's own exit status, which is built up over time in various ways. : I am running C-Kermit ver 5a/189 under SCO UNIX and XENIX. : The current version is 5A(190), and version 6.0 is in Beta. In version 6.0, the \v(status) variable is supposed to contain the exit status code of the child process, and IF SUCCESS / IF FAILURE should work after RUN/! commands too. You are welcome to test this. Follow the links on our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Send reports (good or bad) to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 16:56:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04743 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14764 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!news.uth.tmc.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!wlbr!news.cerf.net!hacgate2.hac.com!news.delcoelect.com!not-for-mail From: c23st@eng.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 delays at 28.8. Date: 31 Jul 1996 17:34:03 GMT Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 23 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4to5eb$arp@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> References: <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> <4tnt6k$sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kocrsw06.delcoelect.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : It sounds like the modem is flow-controlling the PC. Which could happen : for many different reasons. The most likely reason is that it is busy : engaging in some protocol with the other modem -- falling back or falling : forward, retraining, recovering from transmission errors by retransmitting : LAPM blocks, etc. You say this just started happening at the same time that : you started getting 28800 bps connections rather than 26400, so maybe your : ISP installed some new modems and this accounts for the new behavior. [Turns towards Columbia, kneels to floor, and proclaims: "We are not worthy!"] This started happening when the ISP started using new modems (upgraded to support 33.6... I started seeing more 28.8 connections and these delays... Is there an easy way to find out more information (run in debug mode?), and/or remedy it? Thanks again! Spiros -- Spiros Triantafyllopoulos Kokomo, IN 46902 (317) 451-0815 (8-322) Corporate Software Technology Email: c23st@eng.delcoelect.com Delco Electronics Corporation URL: http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~strianta/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 17:28:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08562 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA15295 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 delays at 28.8. Date: 31 Jul 1996 21:27:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4toj4d$93p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> <4tnt6k$sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4to5eb$arp@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4to5eb$arp@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com>, Spiros Triantafyllopoulos wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : It sounds like the modem is flow-controlling the PC. Which could happen : : for many different reasons. The most likely reason is that it is busy : : engaging in some protocol with the other modem -- falling back or falling : : forward, retraining, recovering from transmission errors by retransmitting : : LAPM blocks, etc. You say this just started happening at the same time : : that you started getting 28800 bps connections rather than 26400, so maybe : : your ISP installed some new modems and this accounts for the new behavior. : : This started happening when the ISP started using new modems : (upgraded to support 33.6... I started seeing more 28.8 connections : and these delays... Is there an easy way to find out more information : (run in debug mode?), and/or remedy it? : We have to expect this kind of problem periodically (with an ever diminishing period) as modem makers fall all over themselves to outdo each other. Before standard X even settles down, the market is already flooded with modems that implement "X+" or "Turbo-X". But since "X+" (in this case, V.34+) is not defined by any standard, implementations of it in -- and reactions *to* it by -- modems from different makers are likely to vary. There's nothing that Kermit can do about it. You have to dig into your modem manual and find the commands that enable those things that work on this particular connection, and disable those things that do not. If you only call this one place, then save the configuration in your modem as a "profile" or something, whatever your modem offers in this area. If you call different places, define Kermit macros for installing appropriate groups of settings in the modem for calling each place. On a philosophical note: I think we can expect computing and networking in all their forms to become increasingly chaotic, and our interactions with them to become increasingly time-consuming and aggravating. No product will live long enough to reach stability -- each will be quickly rendered obsolete by something new that is even more complicated and less stable. Each new thing will be sold at a lower margin so as to crush the competition, and so less time and money will be spent on engineering, testing, and verification. Eventually products themselves will become completely useless and will disappear from the scene entirely, leaving only marketing :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 1 03:10:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA10055 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 03:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA25236 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 03:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!op.net!news.mathworks.com!newscaster-1.mcast.net!informatik.uni-bremen.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!uni-duisburg.de!news.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de!cepin From: cepin@uni-duesseldorf.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Programs for MAC Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 06:47:34 +0100 Organization: Heinrich Heine Universitaet Duesseldorf Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem9.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b13 Hi! Can anybody tell me which Program is best to establish a connection between my Mac and a Unix-machine using KERMIT Protocol? Thx in advance Andy From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 1 11:55:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08565 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23028 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Programs for MAC Date: 1 Aug 1996 15:55:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4tqk14$jq9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : Can anybody tell me which Program is best to establish a connection : between my Mac and a Unix-machine using KERMIT Protocol? : Macintosh Kermit is our (only) Kermit program for the Macintosh. It works only on serial connections. It is not fully developed or well maintained, due to a lack of Macintosh programmers. You can find it in: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/mac/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 1 18:51:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09351 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA00522 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!stealth.ucdavis.edu!ray From: ray@vmdean.ucdavis.edu (Ray Tai) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Extra linefeeds in W95? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:50:05 LOCAL Organization: UC Davis Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.ucdavis.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] I just received the W95 version of Kermit. When I tried uploading a text file from a PC, an extra linefeed appeared in the remote file. Setting the end-of-line char to lf or crlf produced the same result. What might have caused this? BTW, this problem did not appear in any of the MS-DOS based versions of kermit that I have used. Does anybody have a clue as to why I am having this problem w/ W95? Any comments is greatly appreciated. Ray Tai UC Davis SMTP: rytai@ucdavis.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 1 19:01:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10390 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 19:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA00719 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 19:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Extra linefeeds in W95? Date: 1 Aug 1996 23:01:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <4trd06$168@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ray Tai wrote: : I just received the W95 version of Kermit. When I tried uploading a text : file from a PC, an extra linefeed appeared in the remote file. Setting : the end-of-line char to lf or crlf produced the same result. What might : have caused this? : : BTW, this problem did not appear in any of the MS-DOS based versions of : kermit that I have used. : : Does anybody have a clue as to why I am having this problem w/ W95? : Any comments is greatly appreciated. : Text files in Windows and DOS have lines that end with carriage return and linefeed. Text files in UNIX have lines that end with only linefeed. Kermit software does the conversion if you tell it to transfer the file in text mode: set file type text or simply: text or push the appropriate button on the File Transfer notebook page on your Dialer entries. The default transfer mode in Kermit 95 is binary, unlike C-Kermit or MS-DOS Kermit, because most Windows users are transferring ZIP files, GIF files, JPEG files, and the like, rather than plain-text files, which are virtually unknown in Windows 95. Whenever there are more ways than one to do something, there must be a default way that is used in the absence of specific instructions, and the default always winds up being wrong for some people. But note that it is much easier to fix an unconverted text file than a "converted" binary file. If you want to change Kermit 95's default transfer mode to text, put: set file type text at the bottom of your K95CUSTOM.INI file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 00:47:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12591 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 00:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA06801 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 00:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sgi.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!paperboy.wellfleet.com!news3.near.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!forest!pcoen From: pcoen@forest.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: \fconvert, ask, and K95/C-Kermit Message-ID: <1996Aug1.132834.144225@forest> Date: 1 Aug 96 13:28:34 EST Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 26 I've been messing with \fconvert in order to avoid the C-Kermit/K95 slash problem with directory names, and it's 99.9% working the way I'd want. Except . . . assuming there was an ask line to assign a value to \%n, and the user typed in C:\DOCS\TEST.TXT, the following line: ask \%a {\fcontents(\%n) already exists -- Do you wish to overwrite it? (Y,N,END): } produces: C:DSTEST.TXT already exists -- Do you wish to overwrite it? (Y,N,END): In the actual file, the above is all on one line, by the way. As far as I can tell, other character string functions, such as \freverse, work the way I'd expect in this situation -- if I used \freverse, I'd end up with TXT.TSETSD:C on the screen. I tried it without the {}, and that didn't make a difference. I can't find anything odd about ASK prompts in Using C-Kermit, or about \fconvert. Is the prompt for ask a special case where I shouldn't be expecting \fconvert to work? It doesn't in C-Kermit for OS/2 either. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 07:29:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22929 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA02219 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!info.ucla.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!cbgw2.att.com!oucsboss!oak.cats.ohiou.edu!rc109092 From: rc109092@oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Richard Allen Coss) Subject: script command line question X-Nntp-Posting-Host: oak.cats.ohiou.edu (rc109092) Message-ID: Sender: news@boss.cs.ohiou.edu (News Admin) X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Thu Aug 1 14:46:45 1996 Organization: Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:46:47 GMT Lines: 9 I'm executing a C-kermit script via the -C command line option however the command I wish to execute with in my script contain commas. kermit interprets this as a separation between commands. I've tried using ~, and \, but to no avail. I haven't seen any documentation on how to remedy my problem. Does anyone know I how to solve this one? -- you win From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 09:48:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05847 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04590 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.dx.net!news.accessus.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-chi-8.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!news From: mbaucom@vnet.net (Milton A. Baucom) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress indicator while "transmitting" a file? Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 22:48:42 GMT Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3201340f.248481415@news.vnet.net> References: <31fe977a.77287934@news.vnet.net> <4tnma0$rng@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vts-char2-s12.vnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 On 31 Jul 1996 13:15:44 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <31fe977a.77287934@news.vnet.net>, >Milton A. Baucom wrote: >: When transmitting a file with the transmit command, the only progress >: indicator appears to be letting the file contents echo to the screen. >: >: Does there exist some sort of switch so I can get dots or equivalent? >: I'd rather not see the file scroll by. >: >You can SET TRANSMIT ECHO OFF to not see the file scroll by, but presently >there is no other progress indicator. Thank you for your reply. Perhaps this feature could be included in a future release? MAB --------------------------------------------------------------- Milton A. Baucom | Hot Doughnuts Now! mbaucom@vnet.net | -- Krispy Kreme From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 09:51:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06139 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04668 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: oak@crl.com (Tony Gonzalez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <4tsbar$3l1@crl.crl.com> Control: cancel <4tsbar$3l1@crl.crl.com> Date: 2 Aug 1996 00:52:15 -0700 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 1 Message-ID: <4tsc3g$3vv@crl.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 10:43:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13742 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05533 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: \fconvert, ask, and K95/C-Kermit Date: 2 Aug 1996 14:42:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-ID: <4tt456$eip@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Aug1.132834.144225@forest> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Aug1.132834.144225@forest>, Paul Coen wrote: : I've been messing with \fcontents in order to avoid the C-Kermit/K95 slash : problem with directory names, and it's 99.9% working the way I'd want. : : Except . . . : : assuming there was an ask line to assign a value to \%n, and the user : typed in C:\DOCS\TEST.TXT, the following line: : : ask \%a {\fcontents(\%n) already exists -- Do you wish to overwrite it? : (Y,N,END): } : : produces: : : C:DSTEST.TXT already exists -- Do you wish to overwrite it? (Y,N,END): : Don't you hate it that backslash is Kermit's command-language distinguished character AND the DOS directory separator? It makes life so much more interesting. : As far as I can tell, other character string functions, such as \freverse, : work the way I'd expect in this situation -- if I used \freverse, I'd end : up with TXT.TSETSD:C on the screen. : : I tried it without the {}, and that didn't make a difference. : : I can't find anything odd about ASK prompts in Using C-Kermit, or about : \fcontents. Is the prompt for ask a special case where I shouldn't be : expecting \fconvert to work? It doesn't in C-Kermit for OS/2 either. : You're right: echo OK to overwrite \fcontents(\%n)? works OK, but: ask \%a OK to overwrite \fcontents(\%n)? behaves differently. This will need fixing. Thanks for pointing out the problem. In the meantime, one workaround would be: echo \fcontents(\%n) already exists. ask \%a {Do you wish to overwrite it? (Y,N,END): } Another one, far less obvious one, is: ask \%a {OK to overwrite \freplace(\fcontents(\%n),\\,\\\\)? } Meanwhile, let's hear it for whoever invented the DOS 2.0 file system and whimsically decided it would be just like the UNIX one, except with the slashes turned around :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 10:46:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14222 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05586 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: script command line question Date: 2 Aug 1996 14:46:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4tt4c3$elv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Richard Allen Coss wrote: : I'm executing a C-kermit script via the -C command line option : however the command I wish to execute with in my script contain commas. : kermit interprets this as a separation between commands. I've tried : using ~, and \, but to no avail. I haven't seen any documentation on : how to remedy my problem. Does anyone know I how to solve this one? : Usually it can be solved by using braces for grouping, as in: kermit -C "echo { one, two, three }, exit" - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 12:33:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00635 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07291 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!bounce-bounce From: leal@taxes.cis.ohio-state.edu (william leal) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Keys Date: 2 Aug 1996 11:30:00 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4tt6toINN8h4@taxes.cis.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: taxes.cis.ohio-state.edu My apologies if this isn't the right group. I'm needing to access a server app via PPP under Win 3.1, but it's geared to receive the Kermit function keys. Since (apparently) I can't get Kermit to run over a PPP connection, what I'd like to do is modify my PPP terminal app (NetTerm) to generate the same codes Kermit does when I press the keyboard function keys. I've poked around and can't seem to find out just what codes are generated. Any ideas where to look? Or other suggestions so solve my problem? Thanks. Bill. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 12:50:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02841 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07521 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Keys Date: 2 Aug 1996 16:50:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4ttbjo$hkk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tt6toINN8h4@taxes.cis.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tt6toINN8h4@taxes.cis.ohio-state.edu>, william leal wrote: : I'm needing to access a server app via PPP under Win 3.1, but it's : geared to receive the Kermit function keys. Since (apparently) I can't : get Kermit to run over a PPP connection, what I'd like to do is modify : my PPP terminal app (NetTerm) to generate the same codes Kermit does : when I press the keyboard function keys. : The sequences sent by Kermit when you press function keys depend on how the function keys are defined, which in turn depends on which version of Kermit you are using, which kind of terminal you are emulating, and whether you have given any SET KEY commands. : I've poked around and can't : seem to find out just what codes are generated. Any ideas where to : look? : The manual? All the key codes and keyboard verbs, and their values, are listed in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". See our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 15:07:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23113 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 15:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA09729 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 15:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.cais.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Keys Date: 2 Aug 1996 17:51:09 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4ttf6d$oaq@samba.rahul.net> References: <4tt6toINN8h4@taxes.cis.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] william leal (leal@taxes.cis.ohio-state.edu) wrote: : my PPP terminal app (NetTerm) to generate the same codes Kermit does : when I press the keyboard function keys. I've poked around and can't There are no "Kermit" function keys, per se. You are emulating some terminal while connected. Your solution might be as simple as setting your new terminal emulation program to the same terminal type. If you have a kermit that was set up to work prior to the PPP requirement, go to the kermit prompt, and "show term". This should expose what terminal type is being emulated. You might also "show key", followed by pressing a function key, to see what kermit is sending. Kermit is very flexible, and can be programmed to send customized strings when a function key is pressed, but most likely you are sending standard terminal function keys. If there is some customization occurring, you should be able to find it in one of the .ini files in the directory where kermit.exe is located. Of course, you could upgrade to Win95 or WinNT, and run Kermit-95 via PPP. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 22:37:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05765 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 22:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA17364 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 22:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.netusa.net!venus.os.com!newsie.dmc.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: oak@crl.com (Tony Gonzalez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ckermit: record (learn) macro? Date: 2 Aug 1996 01:00:26 -0700 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4tsciq$45e@crl.crl.com> References: <4tn41b$mqd@crl.crl.com> <4to678$482@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Thanks for the response Frank. The reason I've not bought the Manual is because I'm trying different com. programs out to see which one I'd like to use as my primary com. program. I think I have enough information now to get things started. Thanks. -Tony From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 3 08:30:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01113 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 08:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA16313 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 08:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!orion.math.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@orion.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using OS/2 C-Kermit with PPP? Date: 3 Aug 1996 12:30:11 GMT Organization: UIUC Department of Mathematics Lines: 5 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4tvgoj$24l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: orion.math.uiuc.edu Is there a way to use OS/2 C-Kermit over a PPP connection? -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or lewenber@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 3 11:30:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14364 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 11:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA19236 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 11:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using OS/2 C-Kermit with PPP? Date: 3 Aug 1996 15:30:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4tvra3$2fo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tvgoj$24l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tvgoj$24l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: : Is there a way to use OS/2 C-Kermit over a PPP connection? : OS/2 C-Kermit works over any kind of TCP/IP connection: Ethernet, Token-Ring, SLIP, PPP, wet string, you name it. Use it just as if it were any other Telnet client -- e.g. tell it to "telnet foo.bar.com". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 3 11:36:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16093 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 11:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA19328 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 11:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using OS/2 C-Kermit with PPP? Date: 3 Aug 1996 15:36:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4tvrln$2p4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tvgoj$24l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tvgoj$24l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: : Is there a way to use OS/2 C-Kermit over a PPP connection? Assuming you have already made your PPP connection, then just use C-Kermit's TELNET command to connect to your host. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 4 16:06:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06794 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA06032 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news1.erols.com!news.bconnex.net!news2.insinc.net!heracles.kosone.com!apollo.kosone.com!news From: rcpotter@kosone.com (Richard Potter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Linux Kermit to Wyse50 Host Questions Date: 4 Aug 1996 18:05:57 GMT Organization: Re/Max Loyalist Realty - Kingston Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4u2oq5$9do@apollo.kosone.com> Reply-To: rcpotter@kosone.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ki-ppp68.kosone.com X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.91 with YES 0.22 X-Mailer: uka_ppp 1.52 As a extra security measure, I have put a PC running Linux between our modem lines and our MUX unit. The concept is to have a modem answer on com1 (ttys0), which the login would have kermit connect to the host via com2 (cua1). The Host is running a wyse50 emulation, and I have set the logins TERM enviroment as wyse50 on the Linux box, but the emulation is still wrong. Do I have kermit configured wrong, or is this a termcap issue? My kermit line is: kermit -l /dev/cua1 -b 19200 -c Any help would be appreciated, this is my first use of kermit. Regards, _____ Richard Potter Kingston, Ontario Canada E-Mail:rcpotter@kosone.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 4 16:23:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08090 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA06257 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Linux Kermit to Wyse50 Host Questions Date: 4 Aug 1996 20:22:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-ID: <4u30qi$lfg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4u2oq5$9do@apollo.kosone.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4u2oq5$9do@apollo.kosone.com>, Richard Potter wrote: : As a extra security measure, I have put a PC running Linux between our : modem lines and our MUX unit. The concept is to have a modem answer on : com1 (ttys0), which the login would have kermit connect to the host via : com2 (cua1). : : The Host is running a wyse50 emulation, and I have set the logins TERM : enviroment as wyse50 on the Linux box, but the emulation is still wrong. : : Do I have kermit configured wrong, or is this a termcap issue? : : My kermit line is: kermit -l /dev/cua1 -b 19200 -c : : Any help would be appreciated, this is my first use of kermit. : So in other words, after login C-Kermit is to provide a transparent pipe between com1 and com2. So terminal emulation and termcaps are completely irrelevant on the Linux system and to the copy of C-Kermit that is running on Linux. The *user's* terminal emulation (not Linux's) should be set to match the terminal type needed on the host, Wyse50 in this case. To ensure that C-Kermit on Linux provides a totally transparent pipe, you should (a) get the 6.0.192 Beta version from kermit.columbia.edu, and (b) have it execute the following command file: set modem type none set port /dev/cua1 set speed 19200 ; Or whatever set flow rts/cts ; Not Xon/Xoff set parity none ; No parity set term byte 8 ; 8-bit data set term character-set transparent ; No character-set translation set term apc off ; Be transparent to APC sequences set term autodownload off ; * Be transparent to Kermit packets set term escape disabled ; * No escape character set carrier on ; Close connection if carrier drops connect ; Start the connection exit ; Exit when it closes The commands marked with * are new to version 6.0. You'll need SET TERM ESCAPE DISABLED to make the connection transparent to ALL control characters, rather than to all of them except one, which is important if you want to allow XYZMODEM transfers between the user and the host, or you need the Ctrl-\ character passed through transparently for any other reason. Then you have to make sure that the host switches off the carrier (CD) signal when the user logs out, because that's the only way Linux will get control of the port back. So say the above file is /usr/local/kermit/connect, start Kermit this way: kermit /usr/local/kermit/connect - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 4 16:25:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08309 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA06303 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Telnet between OS/2 machines using C-Kermit problem. Date: 1 Aug 1996 21:18:57 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5712 comp.os.os2.comm:8598 Hi, I have C-Kermit 5A(191) running under OS/2 as telnet replacement and am very happy with it as long as I connect to UNIX boxes and VAXes. Once in a while I telnet into other OS/2 machines, and that is where the fun is gone: I can't use arrow keys on the command line, can't use home/end/ ... keys, can't use function keys. So, command line editing is a pain. I can use these keys, once I am in an app (say, vi or vim or so), but compiling in another, idle machine is not very much fun when I have to type the same stuff all the time again instead of recalling the last command. I was blaming it mistakenly on OS/2s poor terminal emulation, and a few days ago, when I set up another Warp Connect box I got a surprise: With the plain Warp telnet I can telnet into another OS/2 box and use it's command line as if I was there! For now I have copied the original telnet.exe onto otelnet.exe and use this between OS/2 machines, but I was wondering whether there is a way to tell Ckermit for OS/2 to give me the same ease of use. I do miss the scrollback buffer for instance, in the original telnet. The same holds when I telnet from my UNIX box into my OS/2 box (even though I think that that may not be only relted to Ckermit. ANyway, I still can't use all arrow keys and such. Any pointers are appreciated! Stefan -- ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 4 22:14:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15940 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 22:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA11733 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 22:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Telnet between OS/2 machines using C-Kermit problem. Date: 5 Aug 1996 02:13:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4u3lcq$rl5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5713 comp.os.os2.comm:8606 In article <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: : Hi, : I have C-Kermit 5A(191) running under OS/2 as telnet replacement : and am very happy with it as long as I connect to UNIX boxes and VAXes. : Once in a while I telnet into other OS/2 machines, and that is where the : fun is gone: : I can't use arrow keys on the command line, can't use home/end/ ... : keys, can't use function keys. So, command line editing is a pain. : I can use these keys, once I am in an app (say, vi or vim or so), : but compiling in another, idle machine is not very much fun when I have to : type the same stuff all the time again instead of recalling the last : command. I was blaming it mistakenly on OS/2s poor terminal emulation, : and a few days ago, when I set up another Warp Connect box I got a surprise: : With the plain Warp telnet I can telnet into another OS/2 box and use : it's command line as if I was there! : : For now I have copied the original telnet.exe onto otelnet.exe and use : this between OS/2 machines, but I was wondering whether there is a way : to tell Ckermit for OS/2 to give me the same ease of use. I do miss the : scrollback buffer for instance, in the original telnet. : : The same holds when I telnet from my UNIX box into my OS/2 box (even though I : think that that may not be only relted to Ckermit. ANyway, I still can't use : all arrow keys and such. : : Any pointers are appreciated! Stefan Setup Kermit for an incoming telnet connection. Telnet to it with IBM Telnet. While in Kermit Terminal DEBUG mode, press each key on the IBM Telnet keyboard record their values. When you are done, use the Kermit SET KEY command to assign each key the sequence you want sent. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 5 12:38:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19991 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA15236 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!evarts From: evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Maxwell E Evarts) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: New Unix WP 5.1 keymap for K95 Date: 5 Aug 1996 16:38:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4u581c$30o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Summary: Replacement to WP51.INI in K95 distribution Keywords: Kermit 95 keymap Just a note to inform Kermit 95 users that a new keymap file is available for folks using Kermit 95 to run host-based WordPerfect 5.1 on Unix. The original WP51.INI file the KEYMAPS directory of the was actually for version 5.0 of WP on either Unix or VMS and did not work properly with WP 5.1. Both WP INI files are now available for download via ftp as: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/wp50.ini ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/wp51.ini Note that we don't have *any* host-based WordPefect here, so both of these are untested. Feedback and fixes are welcome. - Max Evarts The Kermit Project +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Maxwell Evarts evarts@columbia.edu Kermit Distribution +1 (212) 854-3703 Columbia University - AcIS Fax: +1 (212) 663-8202 From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 5 16:12:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19171 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 16:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18705 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 16:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!tera.mcom.com!news.Stanford.EDU!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!utk.edu!dogwood3!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Telnet between OS/2 machines using C-Kermit problem. Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Date: 5 Aug 1996 15:08:05 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee Lines: 91 Message-ID: <4u52ol$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u3lcq$rl5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: sad@utk.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: dogwood3.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5715 comp.os.os2.comm:8624 Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, : Deutscher wrote: : : Hi, : : I have C-Kermit 5A(191) running under OS/2 as telnet replacement : : and am very happy with it as long as I connect to UNIX boxes and VAXes. : : Once in a while I telnet into other OS/2 machines, and that is where the : : fun is gone: : : I can't use arrow keys on the command line, can't use home/end/ ... : : keys, can't use function keys. So, command line editing is a pain. : : I can use these keys, once I am in an app (say, vi or vim or so), : : but compiling in another, idle machine is not very much fun when I have to : : type the same stuff all the time again instead of recalling the last : : command. I was blaming it mistakenly on OS/2s poor terminal emulation, : : and a few days ago, when I set up another Warp Connect box I got a surprise: : : With the plain Warp telnet I can telnet into another OS/2 box and use : : it's command line as if I was there! : : : : For now I have copied the original telnet.exe onto otelnet.exe and use : : this between OS/2 machines, but I was wondering whether there is a way : : to tell Ckermit for OS/2 to give me the same ease of use. I do miss the : : scrollback buffer for instance, in the original telnet. : : : : The same holds when I telnet from my UNIX box into my OS/2 box (even though I : : think that that may not be only relted to Ckermit. ANyway, I still can't use : : all arrow keys and such. : : : : Any pointers are appreciated! Stefan : Setup Kermit for an incoming telnet connection. It seems that requires to kill the IBM tcp/ip telnetd process ? If I don't I get an error message: [D:\TMP] C-Kermit>set host * Sorry, can't open connection: *:23 So I killed telnetd.exe and then typed [D:\TMP] C-Kermit>set host * Waiting for a TCP/IP connection on port 23 ... Then I started the IBM telnet, telnetting into my own machine, and it gave me a Connected to : beta.phys.utk.edu Escape character is '^]' and there it sits since. No login prompt, nothing anymore. (I am using loginunx.exe instead of login.exe, but I also replaced it with login.exe and still nothing goes). Interesting enough, the ckermit instance that is acting as the telnet server just gave me back its prompt: [D:\TMP] C-Kermit> Am I missing something? As I type quit on the server command prompt the telnet session also gets closed. When I then completely exit ckermit and try to retart telnetd.exe I get another error message: [D:\tcpip\bin]telnetd.exe Bind(): Address already in use even though I did close ckermit. Quite odd. : Telnet to it with IBM Telnet. : While in Kermit Terminal DEBUG mode, press each key on the IBM Telnet keyboard : record their values. Well, I never got here, alas! : When you are done, use the Kermit SET KEY command to assign each key the : sequence you want sent. I hope I get it set up, because that might also allow me to telnet into the OS/2 machine from UNIX cleanly (or would that require a different terminal termcap entry on the unix side, where I use the normal unix telnet)? Can ckermit, in telnet server mode, be set up to do the key mapping locally, say, depending on the incoming connection? Am I really the only one who wants to do this kind of thing? Cheers! Stefan ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 5 17:54:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05520 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA20364 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!utk.edu!dogwood3!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using OS/2 C-Kermit with PPP? Date: 5 Aug 1996 15:10:14 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee Lines: 22 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4u52sm$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <4tvgoj$24l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dogwood3.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Adam H. Lewenberg (adam@orion.math.uiuc.edu) wrote: : Is there a way to use OS/2 C-Kermit over a PPP connection? It would seem so. ( Warning: I haven't done it yet.) Just install C-Kermit _after_ you have installed the IBM IAK / tcp/ip stuff, and it will see it and ask whether you want to use the tcp/ip connection. For more type 'update' on the ckermit prompt, it is being discussed there in some detail, I believe. Stefan : -- : University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics : INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or lewenber@uiuc.edu -- ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 5 20:40:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25823 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 20:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23010 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 20:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Telnet between OS/2 machines using C-Kermit problem. Date: 6 Aug 1996 00:40:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 93 Message-ID: <4u649g$eo8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u3lcq$rl5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4u52ol$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5717 comp.os.os2.comm:8630 In article <4u52ol$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: : Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : Setup Kermit for an incoming telnet connection. : : It seems that requires to kill the IBM tcp/ip telnetd process ? Yes it does. You can only have one program listening on a given port, in this case 23, at a time. : If I don't : I get an error message: : : [D:\TMP] C-Kermit>set host * : Sorry, can't open connection: *:23 : : So I killed telnetd.exe and then typed : : [D:\TMP] C-Kermit>set host * : Waiting for a TCP/IP connection on port 23 ... : : Then I started the IBM telnet, telnetting into my own machine, and it gave : me a : : Connected to : beta.phys.utk.edu : Escape character is '^]' : : and there it sits since. Its not sitting there, it is connected to Kermit. But Kermit is doing anything. : No login prompt, nothing anymore. (I am using : loginunx.exe instead of login.exe, but I also replaced it with login.exe : and still nothing goes). Interesting enough, the ckermit instance that : is acting as the telnet server just gave me back its prompt: : : [D:\TMP] C-Kermit> Correct behavior. Now type CONNECT. : Am I missing something? As I type quit on the server command prompt : the telnet session also gets closed. What "server", you mean the C-Kermit prompt? "Quit" tells Kermit to hangup the connection, and quit. : When I then completely exit ckermit : and try to retart telnetd.exe I get another error message: : : [D:\tcpip\bin]telnetd.exe : Bind(): Address already in use : : even though I did close ckermit. Quite odd. That's a known bug in Kermit 5a(191). : : Telnet to it with IBM Telnet. : : While in Kermit Terminal DEBUG mode, press each key on the IBM Telnet keyboard : : record their values. : : Well, I never got here, alas! Yes, you did. When you get the C-Kermit prompt, enter CONNECT mode. Then use Alt-D to enter Debug mode. Then follow my instructions from the previous note. : : When you are done, use the Kermit SET KEY command to assign each key the : : sequence you want sent. : : I hope I get it set up, because that might also allow me to telnet into : the OS/2 machine from UNIX cleanly (or would that require a different : terminal termcap entry on the unix side, where I use the normal unix : telnet)? This would require a Unix Keymap. : Can ckermit, in telnet server mode, be set up to do the key mapping locally, : say, depending on the incoming connection? C-Kermit is not a Telnet server. It is a client that can accept incoming connections on the Telnet port (23). : Am I really the only one who wants to do this kind of thing? No, but OS/2, Windows 95, Windows NT, ... are client operating systems and are not designed to allow wholesale redirection of their keyboard and video consoles to a remote connection. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 6 03:51:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA03659 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 03:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA00470 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 03:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!usenet From: hkang@utaphy.ph.utexas.edu (HK) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VT100 query codes? Date: 6 Aug 1996 05:09:54 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4u6k32$roe@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Reply-To: hkang@utaphy.ph.utexas.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-96-16.ots.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.9d - NLS I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 to dial in to my work and run a login script. During the dialog between the host and client, the host pauses a bit as it queries the terminal type. It then responds that it cannot determine the terminal type. When I manually login in, however, it has no problem since I'm using the VT100 emulation. Does anyone know of the query codes that the host might be using and the codes that the script should respond with? Thanks, Hung Kang hkang@utaphy.ph.utexas.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 6 10:56:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21102 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26250 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT100 query codes? Date: 6 Aug 1996 14:56:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4u7meo$kvb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4u6k32$roe@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4u6k32$roe@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, HK wrote: : I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 to dial in to my work and run a login script. : During the dialog between the host and client, the host pauses a bit as it : queries the terminal type. It then responds that it cannot determine the : terminal type. When I manually login in, however, it has no problem since : I'm using the VT100 emulation. : : Does anyone know of the query codes that the host might be using and : the codes that the script should respond with? : As documented in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", pages 285-289, your script needs to look for the terminal-type query and respond appropriately. The escape sequences are shown in the table on page 264. If you don't have your manual handy, you can also look in your own CKERMIT.INI file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 6 13:26:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12243 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA28668 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!malgudi.oar.net!hyperion.wright.edu!echoes.wittenberg.edu!bob.wittenberg.edu!mandrews From: mandrews@bob.Wittenberg.EDU (Mike Andrews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 - detecting presense of Windows in a script? Date: 6 Aug 96 13:08:52 GMT Organization: Wittenberg University, Springfield OH Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bob.wittenberg.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #8 (NOV) Simple question: Is there any way to have a MS-Kermit 3.14 (or the 3.15 test version) script tell if Windows (3.11) is running without running an external utility of some sort? We have a few cases where we have Windows for Workgroups machines with Microsoft's TCP stack installed... but still need Kermit for when Windows isn't running since our Windows telnet application won't do Tektronix. (We're using DIS_PKT9.) Right now, of course, if you open a DOS window and try to run Kermit, it'll hang when a connection's made and the two stacks start to compete -- this is documented and expected. All I want to be able to do is have Kermit detect if Windows is running AND the current port is "tcp", then exit if it is. -- -- Mike Andrews - mandrews@wittenberg.edu, mandrews@termfrost.org (NeXT) -- Programmer/Analyst, systems/mail/web/netnews guy, Wittenberg University -- http://www.termfrost.org/~mandrews/ "why..." From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 6 15:23:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28915 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00602 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.netusa.net!venus.os.com!newsie.dmc.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!jcdbs.itsi.disa.mil!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!boingo.amil.jhu.edu!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!RacerX.mse.jhu.edu!news.jhu.edu!news Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem transferring to large disk Date: 5 Aug 1996 18:19:13 GMT Organization: The Johns Hopkins University Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4u5dv1$8p1@news.jhu.edu> Reply-To: murthy@pha.jhu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.220.26.213 X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.9d - NLS I have a 4 GB partition and C-Kermit 191 for OS/2 will not transfer files to it. The error is rejected because of file size. I can transfer to my 500 MB C partition so I assume that 4GB is being read as a negative number. Is there a fix for this? Can I force Kermit to transfer anyhow? Thanks, Jayant ****************************************************** Jayant Murthy murthy@pha.jhu.edu * Dept. of Physics and Astronomy 410-516-7027 * The Johns Hopkins University * Baltimore, MD 21218-2695 * ****************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 6 15:33:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01950 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00774 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem transferring to large disk Date: 6 Aug 1996 19:33:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4u86le$rgf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4u5dv1$8p1@news.jhu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4u5dv1$8p1@news.jhu.edu>, wrote: : I have a 4 GB partition and C-Kermit 191 for OS/2 will not : transfer files to it. The error is rejected because of file size. : I can transfer to my 500 MB C partition so I assume that 4GB is : being read as a negative number. Is there a fix for this? Can I : force Kermit to transfer anyhow? Well, there is an easy way to test your theory. What does the SPACE command report is the available size? A workaround should be to SET ATTRIBUTE SIZE OFF prior to the file transfer. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 6 19:17:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04050 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 19:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA04630 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 19:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.ingress.net!news.mxol.com!news.tbcnet.com!news.nap.net!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!op.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!usenet From: hkang@utaphy.ph.utexas.edu (HK) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <4u6k32$roe@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Control: cancel <4u6k32$roe@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: 6 Aug 1996 20:20:33 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 1 Message-ID: <4u89eh$soo@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-46-5.ots.utexas.edu Article cancelled from NR/2 From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 7 02:12:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA11406 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 02:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA12223 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 02:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!usenet From: hkang@utaphy.ph.utexas.edu (HK) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT100 query codes? Date: 6 Aug 1996 20:20:11 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4u89dr$soo@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <4u6k32$roe@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <4u7meo$kvb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: hkang@utaphy.ph.utexas.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-46-5.ots.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.9d - NLS In <4u7meo$kvb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu|, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: |In article <4u6k32$roe@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu|, |HK |: Does anyone know of the query codes that the host might be using and |: the codes that the script should respond with? |: |As documented in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", pages 285-289, your |script needs to look for the terminal-type query and respond appropriately. |The escape sequences are shown in the table on page 264. If you don't have |your manual handy, you can also look in your own CKERMIT.INI file. | |- Frank I found in the VT100 codes under VMSLOGIN. Thanks for the tip. HK From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 7 16:21:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA22574 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA15431 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!op.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Telnet between OS/2 machines using C-Kermit problem. Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Date: 7 Aug 1996 18:53:05 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee Lines: 128 Message-ID: <4uaomh$f3b@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u3lcq$rl5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4u52ol$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u649g$eo8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5724 comp.os.os2.comm:8674 Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <4u52ol$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: : : Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : : Setup Kermit for an incoming telnet connection. : : It seems that requires to kill the IBM tcp/ip telnetd process ? : Yes it does. You can only have one program listening on a given port, : in this case 23, at a time. Okay. : : So I killed telnetd.exe and then typed : : : : [D:\TMP] C-Kermit>set host * : : Waiting for a TCP/IP connection on port 23 ... : : : : Then I started the IBM telnet, telnetting into my own machine, and it gave : : me a : : : : Connected to : beta.phys.utk.edu : : Escape character is '^]' : : : : and there it sits since. : Its not sitting there, it is connected to Kermit. But Kermit is doing : anything. : : No login prompt, nothing anymore. (I am using : : loginunx.exe instead of login.exe, but I also replaced it with login.exe : : and still nothing goes). Interesting enough, the ckermit instance that : : is acting as the telnet server just gave me back its prompt: : : : : [D:\TMP] C-Kermit> : Correct behavior. Now type CONNECT. Okay, did that. : : Am I missing something? As I type quit on the server command prompt : : the telnet session also gets closed. : What "server", you mean the C-Kermit prompt? I was assuming that ckermit in server mode would act like a telnetd, but that seems to be not the case. : "Quit" tells Kermit to hangup the connection, and quit. Makes sense. : : When I then completely exit ckermit : : and try to retart telnetd.exe I get another error message: : : : : [D:\tcpip\bin]telnetd.exe : : Bind(): Address already in use : : : : even though I did close ckermit. Quite odd. : That's a known bug in Kermit 5a(191). Ah. Intersting enough, it releases the Address when one lets it sit for a while, I didn't have to reboot. : : : Telnet to it with IBM Telnet. : : : While in Kermit Terminal DEBUG mode, press each key on the IBM Telnet keyboard : : : record their values. : : : : Well, I never got here, alas! : Yes, you did. When you get the C-Kermit prompt, enter CONNECT mode. : Then use Alt-D to enter Debug mode. Okay, that worked now. However, it doesn't show anything I didn't know except that there is an escape before some codes (the debug mode in a normal telnet session would have done that, too). : Then follow my instructions from the previous note. : : : When you are done, use the Kermit SET KEY command to assign each key the : : : sequence you want sent. Now, this is the critical step: I now know that the keybard left arrow sends a \27[D and such. But how do I make the telnetd accept that. Did you ever try to telnet into an OS/2 machine from an os/2 machine using either the IBM telnet (which for some odd reason works) and the C-Kermit telnet (which chokes on these keys)? Is there some sort of ANSI terminal missing? (Eventhough, when telnetting into a fresh OS/2 Connect system, the terminal it reports is vt100). I am really confused! Cheers! Stefan : : : : I hope I get it set up, because that might also allow me to telnet into : : the OS/2 machine from UNIX cleanly (or would that require a different : : terminal termcap entry on the unix side, where I use the normal unix : : telnet)? : This would require a Unix Keymap. : : Can ckermit, in telnet server mode, be set up to do the key mapping locally, : : say, depending on the incoming connection? : C-Kermit is not a Telnet server. It is a client that can accept incoming : connections on the Telnet port (23). : : Am I really the only one who wants to do this kind of thing? : No, but OS/2, Windows 95, Windows NT, ... are client operating systems : and are not designed to allow wholesale redirection of their keyboard : and video consoles to a remote connection. : Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 : * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 : C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html : Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html -- ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 7 20:38:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25446 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA20367 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Telnet between OS/2 machines using C-Kermit problem. Date: 8 Aug 1996 00:38:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4ubcu8$pj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u52ol$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u649g$eo8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4uaomh$f3b@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5725 comp.os.os2.comm:8677 In article <4uaomh$f3b@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: : Now, this is the critical step: : : I now know that the keybard left arrow sends a \27[D and such. : But how do I make the telnetd accept that. Did you ever try to : telnet into an OS/2 machine from an os/2 machine using either the IBM : telnet (which for some odd reason works) and the C-Kermit telnet : (which chokes on these keys)? : : Is there some sort of ANSI terminal missing? (Eventhough, when telnetting : into a fresh OS/2 Connect system, the terminal it reports is vt100). What terminal type are you using when you telnet in with IBM telnet? What terminal type are you using when you use C-Kermit? After you telnet in with IBM Telnet, what is the TERM environment variable set to ? Have you tried setting the Kermit terminal type to ANSI? Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 8 04:24:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA01583 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 04:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA29041 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 04:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!pier.ecn.purdue.edu!laird From: laird@pier.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Telnet between OS/2 machines using C-Kermit problem. Date: 7 Aug 1996 00:47:34 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4u8p36$5u8@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u3lcq$rl5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4u52ol$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u649g$eo8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pier.ecn.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5726 comp.os.os2.comm:8685 jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >No, but OS/2, Windows 95, Windows NT, ... are client operating systems >and are not designed to allow wholesale redirection of their keyboard >and video consoles to a remote connection. Fortunately, if you're willing to ignore that, OS/2 and C-Kermit make quite a handy combination. I can use Kermit to telnet from my work computer (running Solaris) to my home PC (OS/2) and do most everything I want to do - read/send mail, check/post news, browse the Web, edit files. It's quite handy to be able to use an off-site computer (in another domain) for testing. --kyler From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 8 07:47:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28115 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA21406 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Date: 08 Aug 1996 10:46:43 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 26 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk This newsgroup is comp.PROTOCOLS.kermit.misc and yet very few of the questions here are actually questions about the Kermit protocol! When I did previously post one I did't get an answer (or rather didn't get an answer to the *protocol* question). Let's see if I can get a better answer this time. I have a PC running MS-KERMIT 3.14 server to provide access to a filesystem. The application talking to this server is a home-grown implementation of the Kermit protocols. When the application attempts to delete a file using the "REMOTE DELETE" command I get a problem if any of the components of the filename start with a digit. I assume this is because the backslash-digit sequence is being interpreted as a control character. Is this a bug in MS kermit or should my implementation of the kermit mangle any backslashes in remote command arguments? If I should be mangling what rules should I be using? -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37... # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | http://wcl-l.bham.ac.uk/~bam/ ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | Finger: bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 8 09:08:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04716 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA22849 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Date: 8 Aug 1996 13:07:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4ucor3$4j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : This newsgroup is comp.PROTOCOLS.kermit.misc and yet very few of the : questions here are actually questions about the Kermit protocol! : The newsgroup name is... "historical". : I have a PC running MS-KERMIT 3.14 server to provide access to a : filesystem. The application talking to this server is a home-grown : implementation of the Kermit protocols. When the application attempts : to delete a file using the "REMOTE DELETE" command I get a problem if : any of the components of the filename start with a digit. I assume : this is because the backslash-digit sequence is being interpreted as a : control character. : Perhaps, but by whom? : Is this a bug in MS kermit or should my implementation of the kermit : mangle any backslashes in remote command arguments? If I should be : mangling what rules should I be using? : When sending a server command from C-Kermit or MS-DOS Kermit to a Kermit server that runs on a DOS-like file system, you have to double the backslashes in your commands, to force the *command interpreter* to take the backslash literally. In the Kermit *protocol*, there is nothing special about backslashes. Here are the packets from a successful REMOTE DELETE operation: ^A1 GE,c:\tmp\123.xT ^A3 Ydel c:\tmp\123.xL As you can see, the backslashes are backslashes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 8 09:24:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06328 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA23042 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT 320 emulator Date: 8 Aug 1996 13:24:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4ucppn$516@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4u86pg$rib@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:137213 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5729 In article , Michael Ritzert wrote: : : C-Kermit will not destroy Umlaute if you give it the proper instructions. : : Thanks for the advice. The problem is not on the C-Kermit : side; as far as i understand this, kermit acts only as an interface : between my terminal emulation (xterm) and /dev/modem. : : Strictly spoken, it is not even AIO, just WPSPLUS. I have set : almost all of the options You specified, and indeed, the Umlaute are : transmitted and displayed correctly. The only problem is wpsplus, and : it is quite delicate: wpsplus does display the umlaute correctly, : too. They can also be input. But upon correcting errors in paragraphs : or entering text into existing paragraphs, which causes automatic : reformatting of that paragraph, the umlaute are destroyed; and it is : not possible to enter umlaute into this paragraph any more. Other : paragraphs of the document are not affected. : So then the problem is indeed between WPSPLUS and your xterm, and the only solution is to use something other than xterm as your emulator. (The other possibility, of course, is that xterm is showing what a real VT terminal would show, and therefore WPSPLUS is broken, which could not be fixed by *any* emulator -- after all, there is a good chance that this software was written by an American who never even *saw* an Umlaut, unless they are a Mötley Crüe fan :-) I don't know if this is possible in Linux, but can you use MS-DOS Kermit in a dosemu window? MS-DOS Kermit has all the same character-set capabilities as C-Kermit, *and* it's a VT320 emulator. I'd be interested to hear the results. You won't be able to make TCP/IP connections with MS-DOS Kermit, since its built-in TCP/IP stack will conflict with Linux's, but you might be able to make serial connections -- that would be a pretty good test of your DOS emulator! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 9 14:15:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05331 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA10803 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Date: 09 Aug 1996 16:32:44 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: <4ucor3$4j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) In-reply-to: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 8 Aug 1996 13:07:47 GMT In article <4ucor3$4j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article , > wrote: >: I have a PC running MS-KERMIT 3.14 server to provide access to a >: filesystem. The application talking to this server is a home-grown >: implementation of the Kermit protocols. When the application attempts >: to delete a file using the "REMOTE DELETE" command I get a problem if >: any of the components of the filename start with a digit. I assume >: this is because the backslash-digit sequence is being interpreted as a >: control character. >: >Perhaps, but by whom? Well it's not my software and I very much doubt it's COMMAND.COM this leaves MS-KERMIT as the prime suspect. >When sending a server command from C-Kermit or MS-DOS Kermit to a Kermit >server that runs on a DOS-like file system, you have to double the >backslashes in your commands, to force the *command interpreter* to take >the backslash literally. Oh no you don't! The *DOS* command interpreter does not treat backlashes as special. Unix ones do. It still seems odd to me that using the "*GENERIC* delete" command that the protocol would allow me to be affected by idiosyncracies of the host operating system's command interpreter. >In the Kermit *protocol*, there is nothing special about backslashes. >Here are the packets from a successful REMOTE DELETE operation: > > ^A1 GE,c:\tmp\123.xT > ^A3 Ydel c:\tmp\123.xL > >As you can see, the backslashes are backslashes. Here are the packets from an unsuccessful REMOTE DELETE operation: ^A- GE(T:\123.xG ^A, Ydel T:{.xK As you can see, the backslashes are not backslashes once MS-KERMIT has had it's way with them. Assuming the packets you showed me are for real, you are telling me by implication that I have found a bug in MS-KERMIT 3.14pl0 but that it's already fixed in the version you are using. In case you are wondering why I'm using pl0 rather than the latest patch level it's because I had some other problems with ARP in later versions. Indeed the problem appeared in exactly the patch level where the release notes said that an ARP bug had been fixed. In fact I've still having ARP problems so I think I'll try upgrading again. If the backslash bug is still in the later version I'll get back to you. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37... # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | http://wcl-l.bham.ac.uk/~bam/ ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | Finger: bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 9 14:32:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08576 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA11070 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Date: 9 Aug 1996 18:31:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-ID: <4ug06b$21i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ucor3$4j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : In article <4ucor3$4j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : >In article , : > wrote: : >: ...this is because the backslash-digit sequence is being interpreted as a : >: control character. : >: : >Perhaps, but by whom? : : Well it's not my software and I very much doubt it's COMMAND.COM this : leaves MS-KERMIT as the prime suspect. : Sorry -- evidently MS-DOS Kermit *did* do this, but it doesn't any more. : >When sending a server command from C-Kermit or MS-DOS Kermit to a Kermit : >server that runs on a DOS-like file system, you have to double the : >backslashes in your commands, to force the *command interpreter* to take : >the backslash literally. : : Oh no you don't! The *DOS* command interpreter does not treat : backlashes as special. : I meant the Kermit command interpreter. : >In the Kermit *protocol*, there is nothing special about backslashes. : >Here are the packets from a successful REMOTE DELETE operation: : > : > ^A1 GE,c:\tmp\123.xT : > ^A3 Ydel c:\tmp\123.xL : > : >As you can see, the backslashes are backslashes. : : Here are the packets from an unsuccessful REMOTE DELETE operation: : : ^A- GE(T:\123.xG : ^A, Ydel T:{.xK : : As you can see, the backslashes are not backslashes once MS-KERMIT has : had it's way with them. : Right, sorry. This doesn't happen in version 3.15, now available in the kermit/test/bin directory as msk315.exe. : Assuming the packets you showed me are for real, you are telling me by : implication that I have found a bug in MS-KERMIT 3.14pl0 but that it's : already fixed in the version you are using. : Right. : In case you are wondering why I'm using pl0 rather than the latest : patch level it's because I had some other problems with ARP in later : versions. Indeed the problem appeared in exactly the patch level : where the release notes said that an ARP bug had been fixed. In fact : I've still having ARP problems so I think I'll try upgrading again. : MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 is supposed to fix the ARP problems, so please let us know how it works for you. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 9 18:49:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05049 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 18:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA15263 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 18:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!news From: john-n-h@inet.uni-c.dk (John Normann Hansen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Keycodes and K95 Date: 6 Aug 1996 21:36:02 GMT Organization: Dolberg Data A/S Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4u8ds2$j6b@news.uni-c.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lgb186.ppp.uni-c.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 I have used Kermit 3.14 for some time and now I changed to K95. My problem know is that my old config file don't work anymore. This works fine in Kermit 3.14 set key \2320 \x0\x10 ;Alt Q But it seems as I can't put zero as the first char in K95, any sug.? Kind regards John Normann Burke-Hansen / john-n-h@inet.uni-c.dk From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 10 01:11:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA05714 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 01:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA21743 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 01:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keycodes and K95 Date: 10 Aug 1996 05:10:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4uh5k2$fcb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4u8ds2$j6b@news.uni-c.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4u8ds2$j6b@news.uni-c.dk>, John Normann Hansen wrote: : I have used Kermit 3.14 for some time and now I changed to K95. : My problem know is that my old config file don't work anymore. : : This works fine in Kermit 3.14 : : set key \2320 \x0\x10 ;Alt Q : : But it seems as I can't put zero as the first char in K95, any sug.? set key \2320 \Knull\x10 ;Alt Q What is this a key definition for? Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 10 02:52:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA13688 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA22956 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gordius!news.service.uci.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Message-ID: <1996Aug9.211150.83787@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Aug 96 21:11:50 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: > This newsgroup is comp.PROTOCOLS.kermit.misc and yet very few of the > questions here are actually questions about the Kermit protocol! > > When I did previously post one I did't get an answer (or rather didn't > get an answer to the *protocol* question). Let's see if I can get a > better answer this time. > > I have a PC running MS-KERMIT 3.14 server to provide access to a > filesystem. The application talking to this server is a home-grown > implementation of the Kermit protocols. When the application attempts > to delete a file using the "REMOTE DELETE" command I get a problem if > any of the components of the filename start with a digit. I assume > this is because the backslash-digit sequence is being interpreted as a > control character. > > Is this a bug in MS kermit or should my implementation of the kermit > mangle any backslashes in remote command arguments? If I should be > mangling what rules should I be using? --------- It's an artifact of the design in MSK v3.14 which handles \number interpretation. MSK v3.15 (in open testing) works around most such cases but I haven't double checked REM DEL and REM DIR. MSK 3.15 has a new internal design for working with numbers. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 10 06:08:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09075 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 06:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA27653 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 06:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!citicorp.com!usenet From: Karoly Varadi Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.networks,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit documentation Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 12:06:03 -0700 Organization: Citicorp Lines: 7 Message-ID: <320CDD9B.436B@citicorp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kvaradi-pc.bud.hu.citicorp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.networks:6783 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5735 I'd like to try programming a simple Telnet program with Kermit file transfer functionality. Does anybody know where I can look on the Internet to find source code or basic information on the Kermit protocol? regards From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 10 07:33:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20589 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 07:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA16543 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 07:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.gte.net!usenet From: kviper@gte.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where to find different terminal types? Date: 10 Aug 1996 08:34:25 GMT Organization: GTE Intelligent Network Services, GTE INS Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4uhhih$k6n@duey.gte.net> Reply-To: kviper@gte.net NNTP-Posting-Host: clw98148.gte.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2.5 Looking for addsview90 emulation. Where does one go to find different terminal types? thanks, jeff From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 10 10:26:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03976 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA19252 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where to find different terminal types? Date: 10 Aug 1996 14:26:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4ui66f$crg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4uhhih$k6n@duey.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4uhhih$k6n@duey.gte.net>, wrote: : Looking for addsview90 emulation. Where does one go to find different : terminal types? : It depends on which kind of computer and operating system you want the emulator to run on. From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 10 17:02:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18768 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA25389 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!foxhound.dsto.gov.au!fang.dsto.defence.gov.au!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.com.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Date: 10 Aug 1996 21:05:23 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4uhs5r$kaa@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <4ug06b$21i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Right, sorry. This doesn't happen in version 3.15, now available in the : kermit/test/bin directory as msk315.exe. Any updates on msk315.exe? It still causes occasional reboots on receipt of vt100-style screen clearing codes on my machine which 3.14 never did. (Can send details by email). -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 10 17:19:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20108 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA25608 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Date: 10 Aug 1996 21:18:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4uiubl$k6g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ug06b$21i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4uhs5r$kaa@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4uhs5r$kaa@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : Right, sorry. This doesn't happen in version 3.15, now available in the : : kermit/test/bin directory as msk315.exe. : : Any updates on msk315.exe? It still causes occasional reboots on receipt of : vt100-style screen clearing codes on my machine which 3.14 never did. : Not yet. Thanks to everybody who sent in testing reports. Two problems that were frequently reported were that the DIAL macro didn't work any more (a command-parsing problem) and the new MINPUT command didn't seem to work right. Watch this space for announcements of new test versions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 02:53:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA21385 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 02:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA17951 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 02:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!nobody From: maschue@sdd.hp.com (Sean Maschue) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How can I transfer a kermit file? Date: 11 Aug 1996 19:07:33 -0700 Organization: Center for Misogynistic Advancement, San Diego Division Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4um3l5INNe9d@hpsdleb3.sdd.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdleb3.sdd.hp.com Hello Kermits. I am interested in experimenting with using Kermit to transfer files to and from memory through a serial interface from a workstation to an embeded (i960) system. Where should can I look to find-out how to do this? Is there code available somewhere? Where can I find a protocol documentation for the kermit file transfer system? Thanks in advance for any information you might be able to share. Sean Maschue. maschue@sdd.hp.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 04:55:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA00384 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 04:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA21427 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 04:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Message-ID: <1996Aug11.135538.83813@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Aug 96 13:55:38 MDT References: <4ug06b$21i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4uhs5r$kaa@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 In article <4uhs5r$kaa@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : Right, sorry. This doesn't happen in version 3.15, now available in the > : kermit/test/bin directory as msk315.exe. > > Any updates on msk315.exe? It still causes occasional reboots on receipt of > vt100-style screen clearing codes on my machine which 3.14 never did. > > (Can send details by email). > > -- > Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 > arthur@dircsa.org.au ------------- There was a small pause of over a month while I attended to such matters as business trips and holiday. Now I have to catch up with that interval. I'd appreciate those details, direct to jrd@cc.usu.edu. Recall that MSK 3.15 will use extended (raw) memory for screen rollback (and screen clearing can add to the rollback buffer) if no expanded memory is available. Thus please check your system's memory management. Also please note that some RAM drive software is poor when it sits in extended memory rather than expanded memory; DOS 6.22 has such problems. Accumlated test reports are in my hands and almost all items have been "fixed" as of this weekend. As a bonus for folks sending in new bug reports (not old bugs, thanks) we will offer, free, DHCP support in the next test MSK 3.15. Operators are waiting for your reports. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 13:10:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07931 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19419 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!gateway.sequent.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Message-ID: <1996Aug12.084424.83830@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Aug 96 08:44:24 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 64 In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: > In article <4ucor3$4j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >>In article , >> wrote: >>: I have a PC running MS-KERMIT 3.14 server to provide access to a >>: filesystem. The application talking to this server is a home-grown >>: implementation of the Kermit protocols. When the application attempts >>: to delete a file using the "REMOTE DELETE" command I get a problem if >>: any of the components of the filename start with a digit. I assume >>: this is because the backslash-digit sequence is being interpreted as a >>: control character. >>: >>Perhaps, but by whom? > > Well it's not my software and I very much doubt it's COMMAND.COM this > leaves MS-KERMIT as the prime suspect. > >>When sending a server command from C-Kermit or MS-DOS Kermit to a Kermit >>server that runs on a DOS-like file system, you have to double the >>backslashes in your commands, to force the *command interpreter* to take >>the backslash literally. > > Oh no you don't! The *DOS* command interpreter does not treat > backlashes as special. Unix ones do. It still seems odd to me that > using the "*GENERIC* delete" command that the protocol would allow me > to be affected by idiosyncracies of the host operating system's > command interpreter. > >>In the Kermit *protocol*, there is nothing special about backslashes. >>Here are the packets from a successful REMOTE DELETE operation: >> >> ^A1 GE,c:\tmp\123.xT >> ^A3 Ydel c:\tmp\123.xL >> >>As you can see, the backslashes are backslashes. > > Here are the packets from an unsuccessful REMOTE DELETE operation: > > ^A- GE(T:\123.xG > ^A, Ydel T:{.xK > > As you can see, the backslashes are not backslashes once MS-KERMIT has > had it's way with them. > > Assuming the packets you showed me are for real, you are telling me by > implication that I have found a bug in MS-KERMIT 3.14pl0 but that it's > already fixed in the version you are using. > > In case you are wondering why I'm using pl0 rather than the latest > patch level it's because I had some other problems with ARP in later > versions. Indeed the problem appeared in exactly the patch level > where the release notes said that an ARP bug had been fixed. In fact > I've still having ARP problems so I think I'll try upgrading again. > > If the backslash bug is still in the later version I'll get back to you. ----------- It's not a bug, it's a feature, as they say. There is just so much overloading of syntax that can be dealt with in a general way. MSK 3.14 has definite limits on the syntax, MSK 3.15 has relaxed the limits about as far as possible, so please do try v3.15/beta. Since you are also writing code you might appreciate the difficulties creating a parser and workers for the syntax. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 13:11:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08160 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19426 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!news.dseg.ti.com!exwin.dseg.ti.com!megee From: megee@exwin.dseg.ti.com (Robert Megee) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT 320 emulator Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 12 Aug 1996 16:22:45 GMT Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4unlol$8n2@sf18.dseg.ti.com> References: <4u86pg$rib@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4ucppn$516@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: exwin.dseg.ti.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:138255 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5743 I would like to add to the needs of this emulator that it support regis graphics like a vt241. I too am forced to interface with a vax but must do so via an ip network. Xterm doesn't support the regis graphics and launching a DECTERM back seems to lock my linux box. Any help? thanks, Robert -- ==================================================================== Breathe in and breathe out, | Robert Megee the rest is just fluff... | megee@exwin.dseg.ti.com ==================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 13:19:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09283 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19497 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT 320 emulator Date: 12 Aug 1996 17:19:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4unp2d$rkr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ucppn$516@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4unlol$8n2@sf18.dseg.ti.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:138257 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5744 In article <4unlol$8n2@sf18.dseg.ti.com>, Robert Megee wrote: : I would like to add to the needs of this emulator that it support : regis graphics like a vt241. I too am forced to interface with a : vax but must do so via an ip network. Xterm doesn't support the : regis graphics and launching a DECTERM back seems to lock my linux : box. Any help? : No, sorry. No Kermit software can do ReGIS graphics. ReGIS is supported only by a handful of (usually very high-priced) commercial packages. MS-DOS Kermit can do Tektronix and Sixel graphics, but not ReGIS. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 14:25:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19146 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20501 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news.voicenet.com!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.net.uk!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.cais.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Telnet between OS/2 machines using C-Kermit problem. Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Date: 12 Aug 1996 16:31:18 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee Lines: 73 Message-ID: <4unm8m$2on@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u52ol$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u649g$eo8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4uaomh$f3b@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4ubcu8$pj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: sad@utk.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5745 comp.os.os2.comm:8760 Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <4uaomh$f3b@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, : Deutscher wrote: : : Now, this is the critical step: : : : : I now know that the keybard left arrow sends a \27[D and such. : : But how do I make the telnetd accept that. Did you ever try to : : telnet into an OS/2 machine from an os/2 machine using either the IBM : : telnet (which for some odd reason works) and the C-Kermit telnet : : (which chokes on these keys)? : : : : Is there some sort of ANSI terminal missing? (Eventhough, when telnetting : : into a fresh OS/2 Connect system, the terminal it reports is vt100). : What terminal type are you using when you telnet in with IBM telnet? Any. That means, normally I have my TERM environment variable set to either SOS3 or ansi_keep_attrib (which are handcrafted entries in my termcap.dat file, as needed for the vi clone elvis and for less and for man to do what I want), but even when I unset the TERM environment variable it still works with the IBM telnet. Once I am in I get in the telnet session a vt100 reported, and if I unset this one it still works. : What terminal type are you using when you use C-Kermit? vt220. I just switched it to vt100, and here came a surprise: At least the uparrow causes the last command to be repeated _exactly one time_, after that, it just shows the ESCAPE sequence that the uparrow sends. so: dir .. does what it should do .. brings up dir again .. invokes dir again .. shows only [A Command line editing (leftarrow ...) and OS/2 cmd history completion (start to type something and then hit F1) still won't work -- just the escape sequence shows up. I am telnetting into my own machine now, so no network problems are involved. : After you telnet in with IBM Telnet, what is the TERM environment variable : set to ? As mentioned above: vt100, but it doesn't seem to matter. : Have you tried setting the Kermit terminal type to ANSI? Yes. Apart form the screen background going black not much change; the arrow keys still send escape sequences, but the first escape ([) does not show anymore, only the letter after that. (e.g: in vt100 <- displays [D, in ANSI it diaplays only D.) Cheers! Stefan PS: Let me know if you wish to take this to email, it may be a bit too specific for a news group by now? ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 16:08:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05427 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23665 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Second Test Version Date: 12 Aug 1996 20:08:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <4uo2vg$30m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu As always, from Joe Doupnik of Utah State University: Corrections to reported bugs in the first test version: o STOP string now properly displays the string. The DIAL command uses this syntax when the dialing script is not found. o SET PROMPT allows \numbers again. o INPUT single-byte no longer hangs in an infinite loop. o MINPUT {string} {another string} ... now properly recognizes each string. o \v(minput) now properly reports the index of the string matched by MINPUT. o Loss of modem Carrier Detect may now be recognized promptly during file transfers, but the changes are untested. Probably more work is needed. o \$(DOS Environment variable) now finds both uppercase and lower case variables, but not mixed case variables. Windows 3.1x creates variable "windir" in lower case, as can be observed within the DOS box, so this is a way for MS-DOS Kermit to check whether it is running under Windows 3.x. Additional features: o \fchecksum(string) yields the decimal value of the 32-bit unsigned sum of the code values of each byte in string, e.g. \fcheck(ABCD) = 266. o SET TCP ADDRESS has new option, DHCP, as a synomym for BOOTP. o SET TCP ADDRESS DHCP or BOOTP both try DHCP negotiation and accept the first response of possibly many, whether DHCP or Bootp responses. Special note for users of Novell's DHCPSRVR.NLM server v2.0: use SET TCP BROADCAST 255.255.255.255 to avoid a bug in that server which is triggered by using a directed broadcast address. Question on a requested enhancement: TCP/IP SOCKS support requires a choice of authentication mechanism. People asking for SOCKS support need to tell us which mechanism they require since one needs to be written into the code. The two choices are no authentication and plaintext username/password, neither of which provides any security, and the latter is a big security hole. It's available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file msk315.zip. The ZIP file contains two files, the binary executable program MSK315.EXE, and a short plain-text document, MSK315.DOC, describing the changes since version 3.14. Please send bug reports and SOCKS suggestions by email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 18:28:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24626 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA25724 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!in2p3.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!howland.erols.net!swrinde!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!mongol.sasknet.sk.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!titan.uwinnipeg.ca!io.uwinnipeg.ca!wsimpson From: Bill Simpson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: how to use unix kermit to receive? Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:49:42 -0500 Organization: University of Winnipeg Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: io.uwinnipeg.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am using an I am using an old version of kermit on an SGI IRIX machine--kermit version 4E(072). I use it as a terminal to communicate with a unix machine called Io. I can tell Io to use kermit to send the file over to sgi. However, at that point I can't figure out how to receive it on the sgi. On an MSDOS machine I would type alt -x or control-] then a prompt would appear at which point I would type receive I have read the FAQ and the docs. I have found no mention of this! Thanks very much for any help. Bill Simpson From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 07:56:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22285 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 07:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA00719 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 07:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!dismay.ucs.indiana.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ctcyujing@aol.com (CTCYUJING) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using a long packet and sliding window Date: 12 Aug 1996 22:18:20 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 13 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4uoolc$3d6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ctcyujing@aol.com (CTCYUJING) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Hi, I have a windows program that works with kermit regular packet file transfer protocol. However, the speed is very very slow (about 90bytes per packet). Therefore, I tried to speed up the transfer by using long packet and sliding window features. But, for some reason, I always get a NAK back after sending the 'S' packet. I have checked many times to make sure that I have correct CAPAS, CAPAS+1, CAPAS+2, and CAPAS+3 in the 'S' packet. I really don't know why the 'S' packet is always rejected. Can someone tell me what I need to do to make it work? Thanks, Tommy From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 10:58:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11050 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA03748 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!titan.uwinnipeg.ca!io.uwinnipeg.ca!wsimpson From: Bill Simpson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PS: how to use unix kermit to receive? Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 08:55:31 -0500 Organization: University of Winnipeg Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: io.uwinnipeg.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: I have found that control-\ is "supposed" to do what I want (when sending a file, escape back to local machine to get kermit prompt so I can type "receive"). It works correctly about 1% of the time. The rest of the time kermit pretends I haven't hit any keys. I wonder if the old version I have is buggy and I just need to install newer version. Thanks very much for any help. Bill Simpson From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 11:12:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12671 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA04021 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PS: how to use unix kermit to receive? Date: 13 Aug 1996 15:11:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4uq5vm$f34@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bill Simpson wrote: : I have found that control-\ is "supposed" to do what I want (when : sending a file, escape back to local machine to get kermit prompt so I : can type "receive"). It works correctly about 1% of the time. The rest : of the time kermit pretends I haven't hit any keys. : If there is a problem escaping back to C-Kermit -- even the seven-year- old version you are using -- it is probably not a bug in C-Kermit. Most likely there is something between your keyboard and C-Kermit that is swallowing up the escape character, maybe a communication device such as a terminal server. Try using "set escape" to select a different escape character. : I wonder if the old version I have is buggy and I just need to install : newer version. : It can't hurt. Current or recent software versions are always supported better than ancient long-forgotten ones. Details about Kermit versions are at our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 12:18:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23548 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA05041 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!skypoint.com!not-for-mail From: escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit over TCP/IP Ethernet Date: 13 Aug 1996 10:26:54 -0500 Organization: SkyPoint Communications Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4uq6ru$fhf@mirage.skypoint.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mirage.skypoint.net I'm having some problems with Kermit over a TCP/IP network. First, a description of my network. I have a pc-compatible, a 386DX/25 with 8Mb, running MS-DOS 6.22. I have a 3COM 3C509 ethernet card running the 3C509.COM packet driver. The ethernet is also connected to a router that is running transparent bridging over an ISDN line connected to another router running transparent bridging. So, to my PC it appears I'm connected to a LAN that uses TCP/IP. Now, I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, patchlevel 9. I can start the 3C509 packet driver, start Kermit, and telnet to hosts on my LAN or even telnet to other hosts on the internet through our LANs gateway. I can transfer files this way, at data rates about twice as fast as through a 28.8K modem. The problem comes when, after no circumstance I can pinpoint, network communication stops. When I connect to the console port of my router, I can ping other addresses on the LAN. I get no response when I try to ping the PC. If I exit Kermit and start it again, I still can't connect to the network. If I restart my PC, I can reconnect to the network. This leads me to suspect either the 3C509 packet driver, or Kermit's interface to it. Has anybody else seen this problem? I haven't seen anything that would let me examine the 3C509 driver's forwarding table (which would relate IP addresses to MAC addresses). I haven't seen anything that would imply that Kermit can ping (though I wish it could). I haven't seen anything that would imply that Kermit can interrogate the 3C509 driver to see what state it's really in. As it stands, my interface to the ethernet is too unreliable; I'm going to have to find another piece of interface software and TCP/IP stack. David S. Cargo From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 16:08:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28223 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA13580 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.ingress.net!news.mxol.com!news.tbcnet.com!news.nap.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!news.callamer.com!shaug From: shaug@callamer.com (Shaug Evans) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Logging to printer Date: 13 Aug 1996 18:34:42 GMT Organization: Call America Internet, San Luis Obispo, CA USA +1 (800) 541-6316 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4uqhs2$a9l@twizzler.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: spork.callamer.com Summary: log sessions to printer Keywords: Solaris 2.X, kermit, printing, logging X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I'm using kermit to open a terminal session from a serial port on a PC running Solaris 2.5.1. I've already got kermit logging sessions to a file, but I don't know how to simultaneously log them to the printer. The version of kermit is this: "C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x". Any suggestions are appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 16:26:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00366 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14034 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Logging to printer Date: 13 Aug 1996 20:25:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4uqoc4$nev@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4uqhs2$a9l@twizzler.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Solaris 2.X, kermit, printing, logging In article <4uqhs2$a9l@twizzler.callamer.com>, Shaug Evans wrote: : I'm using kermit to open a terminal session from a serial port on a PC : running Solaris 2.5.1. I've already got kermit logging sessions to a file, : but I don't know how to simultaneously log them to the printer. The : version of kermit is this: "C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x". : Any suggestions are appreciated. : UNIX doesn't usually have printers like DOS does -- devices that you can open as if they were files and write stuff to them. A UNIX printer is usually a program, lp or lpr, that you point at files, or pipe files into. So normally you would print your session log after the fact. If you need to have a sessiog log printing in "real time" you might be able to do this if you have a printer plugged directly into a serial or parallel port on your PC, and then you can log your session to that device, something like: log session /dev/prn I don't know if this will work; I have no way to test it myself. Could somebody with a PC-based UNIX and local printer could report back? Perhaps a more straightforward solution would involve running a separate process to copy the file to the printer in real time, perhaps something like this: tail -f session.log > /dev/prn & or: tail -f session.log | lpr & - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 16:48:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04638 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14440 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT 320 emulator Message-ID: <1996Aug13.123948.83865@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Aug 96 12:39:48 MDT References: <4unlol$8n2@sf18.dseg.ti.com> Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:138524 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5754 In article <4unlol$8n2@sf18.dseg.ti.com>, megee@exwin.dseg.ti.com (Robert Megee) writes: > I would like to add to the needs of this emulator that it support > regis graphics like a vt241. I too am forced to interface with a > vax but must do so via an ip network. Xterm doesn't support the > regis graphics and launching a DECTERM back seems to lock my linux > box. Any help? ------------ We looked at ReGIS graphics some years ago when designing the current VT320 emulator in MS-DOS Kermit. The conclusions were a) ReGIS was well out of date/obsolete, b) it would be a large body of code, and c) it presumed much more memory than PCs had. Rather than do a subset (which subset since there's always piece missing for someone) we decided not implement ReGIS and instead do Sixel (plus the other graphics support in MSK). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 18:55:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20511 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA17031 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!swrinde!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!usenet From: Marc Auslander Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Insuffient Memory errors K95 Date: 13 Aug 1996 17:28:52 -0400 Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: marc.watson.ibm.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.31 I just installed K95 1.1.4. When I try to launch K95 (not the dialer, I plan to use K95 as a telnet client), I often, but not always, see Insufficient Memory, and it fails to lauch. If I start it from a dos prompt, it seems always (so far) to work. Has anyone seen this? -- Marc Auslander 914 945-4346 (Tieline 862 Fax x4426) From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 19:19:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23289 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA17566 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Insuffient Memory errors K95 Date: 13 Aug 1996 23:19:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4ur2hc$rja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Marc Auslander wrote: : I just installed K95 1.1.4. When I try to launch K95 (not the dialer, : I plan to use K95 as a telnet client), I often, but not always, see : Insufficient Memory, and it fails to lauch. If I start it from a dos : prompt, it seems always (so far) to work. : Maybe the Insufficient Memory message is true. Have you configured K95 to use a huge rollback buffer? If the message is not true -- i.e. you have plenty of memory and swap space -- then maybe you are experiencing a bug that we fixed a while back. Please install the 1.1.4-to-1.1.7 upgrade patch and see if that doesn't make the problem go away: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html If you still have a problem after that, send details about your configuration to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 19:48:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27273 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18369 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!titan.uwinnipeg.ca!io.uwinnipeg.ca!wsimpson From: Bill Simpson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PS: how to use unix kermit to receive? Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:18:09 -0500 Organization: University of Winnipeg Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: io.uwinnipeg.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: I have this solved now. I have to hit c after hitting control-\ to get kermit prompt. Bill Simpson From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 23:47:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17138 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA28485 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.flint.umich.edu!news.gmi.edu!news.sojourn.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.erols.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!uct.ac.za!iafrica.com!usenet From: karro@iafrica.com (Gavin Karro) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help PLEASE Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:43:11 GMT Organization: Internet Africa Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4uqc5m$77n@newnews.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-7-124-154.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I have a VAX account with the University of Cape Town. I used to use a dial up program called Qmodem to access it. Qmodem uses Zmodem and Kermit as its protocols. The program has corrupted and I am looking for a replacement. Can anyone reccommend a good program to use ? Does anyone know where I can download Qmodem (for Windows 3.11) You can mail me at Karro@iafrica.com Thank you in anticipation. Cheers, Gavin Karro From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 00:58:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24626 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 00:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA01178 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 00:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Insuffient Memory errors K95 Date: 14 Aug 1996 04:57:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4urmcg$71r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Marc Auslander wrote: : I just installed K95 1.1.4. When I try to launch K95 (not the dialer, : I plan to use K95 as a telnet client), I often, but not always, see : Insufficient Memory, and it fails to lauch. If I start it from a dos : prompt, it seems always (so far) to work. Where are you starting K95 from? A Windows 95 shortcut? If so, check the memory settings for that object? >From a browser such as netscape? How much memory do you have on your system? Netscape takes quite a bit since it caches HTML and Graphics in memory. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 01:45:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA29172 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 01:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA02390 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 01:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!spcuna!spcvxb!8strano_t From: 8strano_t@spcvxa.spc.edu (Tom Strano) Subject: K95 - Jerky screen redraws Nntp-Posting-Host: spcvxa.spc.edu Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (Network News) Organization: Club 140 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 03:12:17 GMT Message-ID: <1996Aug13.231217.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> Lines: 13 I've recently switched from MS-DOS Kermit to Kermit 95, and I've noticed that the screen redraws in K95 are rather jerky, and when I type, it takes a fraction of a second for what I type to appear. This never happened in MS-DOS Kermit (with the exact same modem and other hardware), and it's annoying enough to make me stick with MS-DOS Kermit even though I run Win95. Any suggestions on how to fix this? Thanks! - Tom in Bayonne, NJ From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 02:09:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA00232 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 02:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA02900 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 02:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 - Jerky screen redraws Date: 14 Aug 1996 06:09:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4urqic$88b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Aug13.231217.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Aug13.231217.1@spcvxb.spc.edu>, Tom Strano <8strano_t@spcvxb.spc.edu> wrote: : : I've recently switched from MS-DOS Kermit to Kermit 95, and I've : noticed that the screen redraws in K95 are rather jerky, and when : I type, it takes a fraction of a second for what I type to appear. You are seeing the impact of multiple threads. Try using the SET TERMINAL SCREEN-UPDATE SMOOTH command. This will slow down the data processing rate as the screen will now be updated after every character is received. K95 by default processes screen writes in the background in order to reduce CPU utilization and increase data throughput. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 05:00:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA13202 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 05:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA07394 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 05:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!EU.net!sun4nl!dataweb.net!Leiden.NL.net!Utrecht.NL.net!knoware.nl!usenet From: Walter Hendriks Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I transfer a ascii file from a Unix to a MS-DOS workstation Date: 14 Aug 1996 08:22:31 GMT Organization: Knoware Internet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4us2c7$e8s@news.knoware.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: hilversum-ppp3.knoware.nl I would like to copy a ascii-file from a AIX 4.1.4 to a MS-DOS 6.2 workstation. Which version of kermit do I need. Thanks, Walter Hendriks From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 07:25:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04485 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA29196 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!genesis.demon.co.uk From: Lawrence Kirby Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 delays at 28.8. Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 11:04:12 GMT Organization: none Lines: 41 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <840020652snz@genesis.demon.co.uk> References: <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> <4tnt6k$sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4to5eb$arp@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> <4toj4d$93p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: fred@genesis.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: genesis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 X-Mail2News-Path: genesis.demon.co.uk In article <4toj4d$93p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Frank da Cruz" writes: > >In article <4to5eb$arp@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com>, >Spiros Triantafyllopoulos wrote: >: Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >: : It sounds like the modem is flow-controlling the PC. Which could happen >: : for many different reasons. The most likely reason is that it is busy >: : engaging in some protocol with the other modem -- falling back or falling >: : forward, retraining, recovering from transmission errors by retransmitting >: : LAPM blocks, etc. You say this just started happening at the same time >: : that you started getting 28800 bps connections rather than 26400, so maybe >: : your ISP installed some new modems and this accounts for the new behavior. >: >: This started happening when the ISP started using new modems >: (upgraded to support 33.6... I started seeing more 28.8 connections >: and these delays... Is there an easy way to find out more information >: (run in debug mode?), and/or remedy it? >: >We have to expect this kind of problem periodically (with an ever >diminishing period) as modem makers fall all over themselves to outdo each >other. Before standard X even settles down, the market is already flooded >with modems that implement "X+" or "Turbo-X". But since "X+" (in this case, >V.34+) is not defined by any standard, implementations of it in -- and >reactions *to* it by -- modems from different makers are likely to vary. It is defined by a draft standard, it just hasn't completed the ratification process yet. That process won't change the content of the standard. So everybody is working to the same standard. The problem sounds like the modems are pushing the line too hard and are getting data corruption. The pauses are probably LAPM protocol timeouts. The solution in that case is to force the connection to a lower speed. -- ----------------------------------------- Lawrence Kirby | fred@genesis.demon.co.uk Wilts, England | 70734.126@compuserve.com ----------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 10:28:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21184 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05771 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help PLEASE Date: 14 Aug 1996 14:28:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4usnq9$72j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4uqc5m$77n@newnews.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4uqc5m$77n@newnews.iafrica.com>, Gavin Karro wrote: : I have a VAX account with the University of Cape Town. : I used to use a dial up program called Qmodem to access it. Qmodem : uses Zmodem and Kermit as its protocols. : The program has corrupted and I am looking for a replacement. : The Mustang Software implementation of Kermit is incorrect. The same problem occurs in its BBS software and in Qmodem-Pro. Files are corrupted after transfer, period. : Can anyone reccommend a good program to use ? : MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows 3.x, Kermit 95 for Windows 95 and NT. See the Kermit Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 10:30:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22153 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05870 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I transfer a ascii file from a Unix to a MS-DOS workstation Date: 14 Aug 1996 14:30:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4usnu2$750@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4us2c7$e8s@news.knoware.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4us2c7$e8s@news.knoware.nl>, Walter Hendriks wrote: : I would like to copy a ascii-file from a AIX 4.1.4 to a : MS-DOS 6.2 workstation. Which version of kermit do I need. : C-Kermit 5A(190) (or 6.0.192 beta) for AIX 4.1 and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (or 3.15 beta) for DOS. All the information is at our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 13:52:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23814 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA10235 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over TCP/IP Ethernet Message-ID: <1996Aug14.112913.83887@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Aug 96 11:29:13 MDT References: <4uq6ru$fhf@mirage.skypoint.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 49 In article <4uq6ru$fhf@mirage.skypoint.com>, escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) writes: > I'm having some problems with Kermit over a TCP/IP network. First, > a description of my network. > > I have a pc-compatible, a 386DX/25 with 8Mb, running MS-DOS 6.22. > I have a 3COM 3C509 ethernet card running the 3C509.COM packet driver. > The ethernet is also connected to a router that is running transparent > bridging over an ISDN line connected to another router running > transparent bridging. So, to my PC it appears I'm connected to a LAN > that uses TCP/IP. > > Now, I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, patchlevel 9. I can start the > 3C509 packet driver, start Kermit, and telnet to hosts on my LAN > or even telnet to other hosts on the internet through our LANs > gateway. I can transfer files this way, at data rates about twice > as fast as through a 28.8K modem. > > The problem comes when, after no circumstance I can pinpoint, network > communication stops. When I connect to the console port of my router, > I can ping other addresses on the LAN. I get no response when I try > to ping the PC. If I exit Kermit and start it again, I still can't > connect to the network. If I restart my PC, I can reconnect to the > network. This leads me to suspect either the 3C509 packet driver, > or Kermit's interface to it. > > Has anybody else seen this problem? > > I haven't seen anything that would let me examine the 3C509 driver's > forwarding table (which would relate IP addresses to MAC addresses). > I haven't seen anything that would imply that Kermit can ping (though > I wish it could). I haven't seen anything that would imply that Kermit > can interrogate the 3C509 driver to see what state it's really in. > > As it stands, my interface to the ethernet is too unreliable; I'm going > to have to find another piece of interface software and TCP/IP stack. > > David S. Cargo ---------- Appears to me to be a bad 3C509 Packet Driver. Recall that 3C509 boards have a lot of problems designed into them, and you see part of the story in the adjustments for serial port work when setting up some of the drivers. Please do be sure there are no IRQ or Port conflicts because your description suggests the board gets into a "no receive" condition. There is no ARP table in a Packet Driver since that belongs with the TCP/IP protcol stack. Kermit speaks fluent "Packet Driver" as a native and controls the driver to do what is needed. You can send a TCP Are You There message while in Connect mode: press Control-] and then press the "a" key. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 15:38:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08193 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA11920 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.flint.umich.edu!news.gmi.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!frankensun.altair.com!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!newsserver.rdcs.Kodak.COM!usenet From: "Abraham D. Figueroa" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit locks up while displaying Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:19:09 -0400 Organization: NITC Lines: 87 Message-ID: <3211FC7D.4BC@kodak.com> Reply-To: abrahamf@kodak.com NNTP-Posting-Host: abrahamf.itc.kodak.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1E4D39511B18" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1E4D39511B18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope that you will be able to help me figure out the problem. I am using a PCMCIA card on a Toshiba Laptop. I have had no problems using this configuration from within Windows3.1 when using applications such as FaxWorks, QuickLink, etc. However, when I use Kermit it always locksup. I've tried modifying several parameters and it does seem to work fine with just one SLOW speed rate (2.4Kbps). I am attaching a copy of the AUTOEXEC.BAT and the CONFIG.SYS, I hope this helps. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Please respond directly to abrahamf@kodak.com Thank you in advance, Abe --------------1E4D39511B18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="3F3F3F3F" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="autoexec.bat" C:\SCSI\MSCDEX.EXE /D:ASPICD0 /M:12 remCOPY C:\WINDOWS\WIN.LAN C:\WINDOWS\WIN.INI remCOPY C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.LAN C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI remCOPY C:\WINDOWS\PROTOCOL.LAN C:\WINDOWS\PROTOCOL.INI ;doskey @echo off PATH=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINWORD;C:\DOS;C:\MOUSE;C:\WAVELAN;C:\SCSI;C:\KERMIT PROMPT $p$g set FAXPATH=C:\FAXPLUSW\ SET MSINPUT=C:\MSINPUT LH /L:0;2,25088 /S C:\MSINPUT\MOUSE\MOUSE.EXE /Q @ECHO OFF REM PCM+ path added. PATH PCMPLUS3;%PATH% SET TEMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP LH /L:0;2,16400 /S C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE /X 2048 128 rem C:\CELLECT\CELL-ON /WE000 rem WIN REM original autoexec.bat with multiple config. is saved in C:KIRK --------------1E4D39511B18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="3F3F3F3F" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="config.sys" DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS X=C800-C8FF X=D000-D1FF X=E000-E7FF BUFFERS=15,0 FILES=40 DOS=UMB LASTDRIVE=Z FCBS=4,0 REM BY PCM+ X=C800-C8FF STACKS=9,256 DOS=HIGH DEVICE=C:\PCMPLUS3\CNFIGNAM.EXE /DEFAULT DEVICE=C:\PCMPLUS3\PCMSS.EXE DEVICE=C:\PCMPLUS3\PCMCS.EXE DEVICE=C:\PCMPLUS3\PCMRMAN.SYS DEVICE=C:\PCMPLUS3\PCMSCD.EXE DEVICEHIGH /L:1,12048 =C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE DEVICEHIGH /L:0;1,8112 /S =C:\DOS\POWER.EXE DEVICEHIGH /L:1,4560 =C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS rem DEVICE=C:\WAVELAN\WAVECLI.EXE REM original config.sys with multiple config. is saved in C:\KIRK DEVICEHIGH /L:2,26832 =C:\SCSI\ASPI2DOS.SYS /D /Z rem DEVICE=C:\SCSI\ASPICD.SYS /D:ASPICD0 [COMMON] rem DEVICE=C:\DESKSCAN\MINI400I.SYS rem DEVICE=C:\DESKSCAN\SJIIX.SYS --------------1E4D39511B18-- From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 19:18:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06876 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15720 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SOCKS for MS-DOS Kermit, call for help Message-ID: <1996Aug14.164012.83898@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Aug 96 16:40:12 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 We have received messages expressing interest that MS-DOS Kermit support TCP/IP SOCKS. That's a "secure" access to firewalled servers. The problems we have are knowing what authentication method to implement, of several, and of finding a SOCKS server for testing. The authentication methods range from none, to plain-text username and password, to Kerberos-like and so on. Of these only the first two make sense on a DOS PC, and the first two aren't secure at all. Would those people expressing the interest please contact us with more information so we can make intelligent choices in MS-DOS Kermit v3.15. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 21:56:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA22215 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 21:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA18505 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 21:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit locks up while displaying Message-ID: <1996Aug14.193029.83905@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Aug 96 19:30:28 MDT References: <3211FC7D.4BC@kodak.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 In article <3211FC7D.4BC@kodak.com>, "Abraham D. Figueroa" writes: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --------------1E4D39511B18 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I hope that you will be able to help me figure out the > problem. I am using a PCMCIA card on a Toshiba Laptop. > I have had no problems using this configuration from within Windows3.1 > when using applications such as FaxWorks, QuickLink, etc. However, > when I use Kermit it always locksup. I've tried modifying several > parameters and it does seem to work fine with just one SLOW speed > rate (2.4Kbps). I am attaching a copy of the AUTOEXEC.BAT and the > CONFIG.SYS, I hope this helps. ------------- In almost all cases these problems devolve down to memory management troubles. You have allowed segments A000-BFFF to be available for loading things high, and that is often fatal. We indicate some common guidelines on memory management in the MSK release notes, but of course we can't (nor can anyone) publish a comprehensive guide. PCMCIA boards pose their own personality difficulties and I won't venture into that territory. I wish I had a simple suggestion for you, but this is a messy subject best attacked in person on the subject machine. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 15 03:59:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA21941 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 03:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA25021 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 03:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "David Torrez" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 cannot access modem Date: 15 Aug 1996 06:53:03 GMT Organization: Zanti Systems Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bb8a76$8de6ae60$8670face@reptile> NNTP-Posting-Host: max5-vgd-ca-58.earthlink.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 When trying to connect to a local BBS from K95-Dialer, it cannot connect to COM2. My modem is a 14.4k AT&T Dataport (which is listed in the installation) on COM2. I have been running Kermit 95 since 111 and am now up to 117. I have been running it under Win NT 3.51 and it has worked great. But now having installed WIN 95, I cannot use it to dial out. The telnet works fine when I am connected via PPP. Does anyone know what I need to do to make COM2 available for dial out? Dave - reptile@earthlink.net From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 15 10:12:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03194 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA20062 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Date: 15 Aug 1996 12:40:39 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1996Aug12.084424.83830@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk To: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) In-reply-to: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 12 Aug 96 08:44:24 MDT In article <1996Aug12.084424.83830@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>>In article , >>> wrote: >>>: I have a PC running MS-KERMIT 3.14 server to provide access to a >>>: filesystem. The application talking to this server is a home-grown >>>: implementation of the Kermit protocols. When the application attempts >>>: to delete a file using the "REMOTE DELETE" command I get a problem if >>>: any of the components of the filename start with a digit. > > It's not a bug, it's a feature, as they say. There is just so much >overloading of syntax that can be dealt with in a general way. MSK 3.14 has >definite limits on the syntax, MSK 3.15 has relaxed the limits about as far >as possible, so please do try v3.15/beta. Thanks, I've now upgraded to v3.15/beta and this problem appears to be fixed now. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37... # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | http://wcl-l.bham.ac.uk/~bam/ ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | Finger: bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 15 11:31:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14251 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA21460 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 cannot access modem Date: 15 Aug 1996 15:30:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4uvfrf$q6d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb8a76$8de6ae60$8670face@reptile> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb8a76$8de6ae60$8670face@reptile>, David Torrez wrote: : When trying to connect to a local BBS from K95-Dialer, it cannot connect to : COM2. My modem is a 14.4k AT&T Dataport (which is listed in the : installation) on COM2. I have been running Kermit 95 since 111 and am now : up to 117. I have been running it under Win NT 3.51 and it has worked : great. But now having installed WIN 95, I cannot use it to dial out. The : telnet works fine when I am connected via PPP. : It's usually a better idea to address questions like this by email direct to kermit-support@columbia.edu. The most likely explanation is that COM2 is owned by your Windows 95 Internet software, so Kermit 95 can't get at it, but we'd need more details to know for sure. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 15 14:30:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09772 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA24304 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.bright.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!skypoint.com!not-for-mail From: escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over TCP/IP Ethernet Date: 15 Aug 1996 11:22:33 -0500 Organization: SkyPoint Communications Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4uvis9$ick@mirage.skypoint.com> References: <4uq6ru$fhf@mirage.skypoint.com> <1996Aug14.112913.83887@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mirage.skypoint.com If the TCP/IP stack is in Kermit, is there a way to get Kermit to display the forwarding table? Is there a way to add addresses to the forwarding table so that Kermit doesn't have to ARP for them? I don't believe there are any port conflicts. I have used MSD and the system info utility that comes with Hurricane, and I don't believe I have any address or IRQ problems. Is there a "latest" version of 3C509.COM; the one I have is one found on the net by somebody else. If it's not the latest, I don't quite know where to look myself. It's dated Nov. 22, 1993, and it's 8283 bytes long. David S. Cargo From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 15 17:23:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08038 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA27564 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 3 Date: 15 Aug 1996 21:23:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4v04g8$4u6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: DHCP SOCKS This one is dated August 15, 1996, and labeled Beta 3. The only change from last time involves TCP/IP connections made using a DHCP server -- a fix to the lease renewal procedure. Beta 3 is in the usual place: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip Meanwhile, we'd still like some feedback on the form of authentication that people want for SOCKS firewall negotiation. Everybody is asking for SOCKS, but nobody is saying how they need it. If you don't speak up soon, it will be too late. Send info by email to: kermit@columbia.edu as well as reports on this Beta version. Thanks, as always, to Joe Doupnik for his work on this enormously popular package. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 16 04:35:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA13160 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 04:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA09228 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 04:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news1.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Logging to printer Date: 16 Aug 1996 06:48:20 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4v15jk$bf4@news1.halcyon.com> References: <4uqhs2$a9l@twizzler.callamer.com> <4uqoc4$nev@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Keywords: Solaris 2.X, kermit, printing, logging In article <4uqoc4$nev@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: [re: logging to printer under Unixoid systems] >So normally you would print your session log after the fact. If you need to >have a sessiog log printing in "real time" you might be able to do this if >you have a printer plugged directly into a serial or parallel port on your >PC, and then you can log your session to that device, something like: > > log session /dev/prn That will work fine, as long as the "prn" device is configured correctly. Also remember that the "prn" above should be replaced by a system-specific device identifier. On my Linux box I would use "/dev/par0"; on my Sun SparcStation I might use "/dev/ttya". Note that getting a serial line configured right for printing can be a chore on some systems. >Perhaps a more straightforward solution would involve running a separate >process to copy the file to the printer in real time, perhaps something >like this: > > tail -f session.log > /dev/prn & > >or: > > tail -f session.log | lpr & That second tail doesn't make any sense. The lpr sits there waiting for EOF on the pipeline, and the tail -f won't close its stdout until you kill it. As long as you have to go an send a seperate kill command you may as well just send the session.log to lpr at that time instead. The first version has some merit, as long as there is a reason to keep the session.log file around; if not then sending directly to /dev/prn (i.e. the log session example above) makes more sense. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 16 20:24:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16570 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA13477 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news.cais.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!lfsserv1.lfs.loral.com!news.lfso.loral.com!news.manassas.ibm.com!usenet From: zoso@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com (Randy D Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 delays at 28.8. Date: 16 Aug 1996 20:10:51 GMT Organization: Loral Federal Systems - Manassas Lines: 26 Sender: zoso@griswold.manassas.ibm.com (Randy D Anderson) Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4v2kkb$m5o@news.manassas.ibm.com> References: <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> Reply-To: zoso@lfs.loral.com NNTP-Posting-Host: griswold.manassas.ibm.com X-newsreader: xrn 8.01 In article <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com>, c23st@eng.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes: |> I have been using Kermit 3.14 with a Practical Peripherals 28.8 external |> modem on a Gateway PC and 16550A card. I use the official PPI.SCR |> init file and all works well. I usually connect to my ISP at 26400. |> |> Over the last few days I've been getting more 28.8 connects, and I have |> noticed a pause problem which *may be* Kermit related. Basically the |> modem stops responding for a few seconds during interactive use. What |> makes it interesting is that (a) it just started happening, and (b), |> when I type stuff I do not see the modem's lights acknowledging. After |> a few seconds it comes back. If I type ctrl-] C and C again it usually |> clears itself up (which is why I wonder if Kermit is doing things) Is your ISP by any chance using US Robotics 28.8/33.6 Sportster modems? There is a known bug which causes this very symptom; I have seen it numerous times, and it has been discussed to death on comp.dcom.modems. I have also seen it on a Gateways modem which was apparently a remarketed US Robotics Sportster. -- Randy Anderson Site Systems Integration internet: randy.anderson@lmco.com Lockheed Martin Federal Systems OV/VM: zoso at bullrun Manassas, VA phone: (703) 367-4396 From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 17 00:45:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19045 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA18168 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over TCP/IP Ethernet Message-ID: <1996Aug16.214049.83982@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Aug 96 21:40:49 MDT References: <4uq6ru$fhf@mirage.skypoint.com> <1996Aug14.112913.83887@cc.usu.edu> <4uvis9$ick@mirage.skypoint.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 In article <4uvis9$ick@mirage.skypoint.com>, escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) writes: > If the TCP/IP stack is in Kermit, is there a way to get Kermit to > display the forwarding table? Is there a way to add addresses to > the forwarding table so that Kermit doesn't have to ARP for them? No, there isn't. ARPing will always occur for the next point on the local network. Please beware of IP address conflicts changing the ARP cache on your relay machines and hence removing contact with the MS-DOS Kermit machine. That means another station on the local net using the same IP address as MSK. > I don't believe there are any port conflicts. I have used MSD > and the system info utility that comes with Hurricane, and I don't > believe I have any address or IRQ problems. MSD won't show conflicts; it is not that smart, and it has no measurement capabilities for IRQs. Thus one has to open the box and examine jumpers as well as double check software controlled setups. > Is there a "latest" version of 3C509.COM; the one I have is > one found on the net by somebody else. If it's not the latest, > I don't quite know where to look myself. It's dated Nov. 22, 1993, > and it's 8283 bytes long. I don't know what ftp.3com.com has to offer. The Packet Driver you reference is in the Crynwr Collection of Packet Drivers (copies widely available, including on kermit.columbia.edu and netlab2.usu.edu), same date. Joe D. > David S. Cargo From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 17 11:15:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11596 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA17238 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!netaxs.com!not-for-mail From: stan@netaxs.com (Stan Barndt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Transferring Hexified files to ALPHA Date: 17 Aug 1996 15:10:46 GMT Organization: Philadelphia's Complete Internet Provider Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4v4ndm$l05@netaxs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unix3.netaxs.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Hi there, I have found all the Hexified C-Kermit files. What I need to do now is send them to a remote ALPHA. How do I do this without the benifit of Kermit on the ALPHA end? Any help will be appreiated. Thanks, Stan Barndt From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 17 12:45:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22897 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA18559 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transferring Hexified files to ALPHA Date: 17 Aug 1996 16:44:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4v4stp$204@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4v4ndm$l05@netaxs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4v4ndm$l05@netaxs.com>, Stan Barndt wrote: : I have found all the Hexified C-Kermit files. What I need to do now : is send them to a remote ALPHA. How do I do this without the benifit of : Kermit on the ALPHA end? Any help will be appreiated. : FTP? NFT? If you don't have any file transfer method at all on the Alpha, you can always order C-Kermit from us on magnetic media. See our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ follow the links to the Kermit Software Catalog. Or you might try this, but I doubt it will work. Assuming you have the hex files on a computer that has MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit, then tell the Alpha to "create kermit.hex". Then escape back to Kermit and tell it TRANSMIT the desired hex file. But the file is huge and if even one byte is lost or corrupted, it won't work. (You'll also need to send the dehexifying program the same way.) It's probably a better use of your time to buy a tape, cartridge, or disk. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 17 21:30:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20207 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 21:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA27235 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 21:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!alph02.triumf.ca!shoppa From: shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transferring Hexified files to ALPHA Date: 18 Aug 1996 00:26:48 GMT Organization: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4v5o08$ksq@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <4v4ndm$l05@netaxs.com> <4v4stp$204@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: alph02.triumf.ca In article <4v4stp$204@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >Or you might try this, but I doubt it will work. Assuming you have the >hex files on a computer that has MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit, then tell the >Alpha to "create kermit.hex". Then escape back to Kermit and tell it >TRANSMIT the desired hex file. But the file is huge and if even one byte >is lost or corrupted, it won't work. (You'll also need to send the >dehexifying program the same way.) True, this method certainly will fail if even one bit is corrupted. But I've used the hex-file procedure on many different platforms (VMS, Unix, MSDOS, CP/M, RT-11) and I've never had a single problem. Of course, I don't try to get greedy and use the highest serial speed possible, nor do I try doing this over anything except a short, direct connection. Tim. (shoppa@triumf.ca) From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 19 09:51:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18287 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA11580 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!blue.thrunet.net!newsmaster From: rstrickler@thrunet.net (Robert J. Strickler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 telnet default exit is clumsy Date: 19 Aug 1996 13:18:16 GMT Organization: Koch Software Industries Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4v9pio$dp8@blue.thrunet.net> Reply-To: rstrickler$thrunet.net@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: arcturus.thrunet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 We have a customer evaluating K95. We added 1 line to the custom .ini file to set the terminal emulation to wy50. They use the telnet.exe to talk to an IBM AIX 6000 via tcp/ip. No complaints about the emulation and the pass thru printing that they required seems to function well too. When the W95 X button in the upper right of the title bar is pressed to terminate the program, W95 carps about it not handling a windows exit signal. (Sorry I do not have the exact text but they purchased only 1 copy for evaluation and I am getting this info second-hand). If they allow it to try and kill the app anyway things become kind of hung and they have to ctl-alt-del the task list up and kill "Winoldapp". Suffice it to say that this is not a user-friendly interface feature, especially if they were to deploy this into the company were computer savvy is almost non-existant. Using the Alt-X to get to a K95 prompt requires them to type exit and ctl-J !?! (the enter key is ignored) which pesters them about an open connection. Is there any way to get a more conventional windowish behaviour from the telnet.exe (is the telnet "wrapper" 32-bit?) and have it properly respond to the X button. Alternatively is there a way to configure K95 so that a keystroke, (Alt-Q for instance) will close the connection and exit without any additional prompts? ANy help will be appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 19 10:04:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20026 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA11789 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 telnet default exit is clumsy Date: 19 Aug 1996 14:03:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-ID: <4v9s88$qd4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4v9pio$dp8@blue.thrunet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4v9pio$dp8@blue.thrunet.net>, Robert J. Strickler wrote: : We have a customer evaluating K95. We added 1 line to the custom .ini file : to set the terminal emulation to wy50. They use the telnet.exe to talk to : an IBM AIX 6000 via tcp/ip. No complaints about the emulation and the pass : thru printing that they required seems to function well too. : Which version of Kermit 95? The current version is 1.1.7. : When the W95 X button in the upper right of the title bar is pressed to : terminate the program, W95 carps about it not handling a windows exit : signal. : The X button doesn't work in console applications. Ask Microsoft about it, it was their decision, not ours. : Using the Alt-X to get to a K95 prompt requires them to type exit and : ctl-J !?! (the enter key is ignored) which pesters them about an open : connection. : Now that's a strange one. Nobody has ever reported such a thing before and it definitely doesn't happen here. Are you saying that the Enter key does not work in only this particular situation, or that you always have to use Ctrl-J rather than Enter -- and if so, is K95 the only application where this happens? : Is there any way to get a more conventional windowish behaviour from the : telnet.exe (is the telnet "wrapper" 32-bit?) and have it properly respond : to the X button. : Yes, it's 32-bit, like K95 itself, but it is a console application, and this is how Microsoft treats console applications. As you probably know from reading our Web page, we are hard at work on converting K95 to a full GUI application so it can fully partake of all the wonders of Windows 95. Also, I wonder if you are using version 1.1.7 of Kermit 95. In this version, Telnet exits automatically -- no buttons or keys required -- when the host closes the connection, e.g. when the user logs out. : Alternatively is there a way to configure K95 so that a keystroke, (Alt-Q : for instance) will close the connection and exit without any additional : prompts? : Yes. In version 1.1.7, Alt-q does exactly that. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 19 13:26:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19830 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA16179 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!op.net!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!minbne.mincom.oz.au!cygnus.mincom.oz.au!usenet From: jeffs@saturn Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 delays at 28.8. Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:25:20 GMT Organization: Mincom Pty. Ltd. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <4va4p9$af7@cygnus.mincom.oz.au> References: <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> <4tnt6k$sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4to5eb$arp@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> <4toj4d$93p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <840020652snz@genesis.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dvrpc19.mincom.oz.au X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Lawrence Kirby wrote: >In article <4toj4d$93p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Frank da Cruz" writes: >> >>In article <4to5eb$arp@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com>, >>Spiros Triantafyllopoulos wrote: >>: Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >>: : It sounds like the modem is flow-controlling the PC. Which could happen >>: : for many different reasons. The most likely reason is that it is busy >>: : engaging in some protocol with the other modem -- falling back or falling >>: : forward, retraining, recovering from transmission errors by retransmitting >>: : LAPM blocks, etc. You say this just started happening at the same time >>: : that you started getting 28800 bps connections rather than 26400, so maybe >>: : your ISP installed some new modems and this accounts for the new behavior. >>: >>: This started happening when the ISP started using new modems >>: (upgraded to support 33.6... I started seeing more 28.8 connections >>: and these delays... Is there an easy way to find out more information >>: (run in debug mode?), and/or remedy it? >>: >>We have to expect this kind of problem periodically (with an ever >>diminishing period) as modem makers fall all over themselves to outdo each >>other. Before standard X even settles down, the market is already flooded >>with modems that implement "X+" or "Turbo-X". But since "X+" (in this case, >>V.34+) is not defined by any standard, implementations of it in -- and >>reactions *to* it by -- modems from different makers are likely to vary. >It is defined by a draft standard, it just hasn't completed the ratification >process yet. That process won't change the content of the standard. So >everybody is working to the same standard. >The problem sounds like the modems are pushing the line too hard and are >getting data corruption. The pauses are probably LAPM protocol timeouts. >The solution in that case is to force the connection to a lower speed. Check out newsgroup comp.dcom.modems there are numerous posting concerning delays with some of the 28.8 modems. >-- >----------------------------------------- >Lawrence Kirby | fred@genesis.demon.co.uk >Wilts, England | 70734.126@compuserve.com >----------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 19 15:39:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10880 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA18571 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.texas.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!sco From: sco@clark.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit locks up while displaying Date: 19 Aug 1996 19:36:34 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4vafo2$54l@clarknet.clark.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 100-explorer2.clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >I am using a PCMCIA card on a Toshiba Laptop. >I have had no problems using this configuration from within Windows3.1 >when using applications such as FaxWorks, QuickLink, etc. However, >when I use Kermit it always locksup. I've tried modifying several >parameters and it does seem to work fine with just one SLOW speed >rate (2.4Kbps). I am attaching a copy of the AUTOEXEC.BAT and the >CONFIG.SYS, I hope this helps. > i am having the same problem, on an IBM thinkpad with a Motorola PCMCIA modem. i have a000-bfff excluded from memory, and i still get the same thing. the odd thing is that if i shut down kermit, then restart it, the link stays up and my terminal goes back to normal for a few screens. mail me if you come up with anything thanks, scott sco@clark.net From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 19 16:44:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20938 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA20260 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!cwis.isu.edu!mica.inel.gov!pmafire!news-relay.us.dell.com!swrinde!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!vandal From: jasantos@ultranet.com (John Santos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transferring Hexified files to ALPHA Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 19:28:21 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4vafak$u14@decius.ultra.net> References: <4v4ndm$l05@netaxs.com> <4v4stp$204@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4v5o08$ksq@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: vandal.ultranet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 In article <4v5o08$ksq@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) wrote: >In article <4v4stp$204@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: > >>Or you might try this, but I doubt it will work. Assuming you have the >>hex files on a computer that has MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit, then tell the >>Alpha to "create kermit.hex". Then escape back to Kermit and tell it >>TRANSMIT the desired hex file. But the file is huge and if even one byte >>is lost or corrupted, it won't work. (You'll also need to send the >>dehexifying program the same way.) > >True, this method certainly will fail if even one bit is corrupted. >But I've used the hex-file procedure on many different platforms (VMS, >Unix, MSDOS, CP/M, RT-11) and I've never had a single problem. Of course, >I don't try to get greedy and use the highest serial speed possible, nor >do I try doing this over anything except a short, direct connection. > >Tim. (shoppa@triumf.ca) I used this method successfully: I had a remote Alpha 1000 with no network installed yet, and only the two built-in COM ports. I had a V.32 (14.4Kb) modem at each end. I couldn't get TRANSMIT to reliable copy files of more than about 50 lines. I wrote a DCL procedure to split the .HEX file into hundreds of 25-line files, and wrote a kermit script to TRANSMIT them one at a time to the remote system. I then used yet another DCL command file to append them all together again. The dehexifying program was short enough that I could send it in one TRAMSMIT. I built the dehexifying program on the Alpha, ran it, and the Kermit came out fine. My plan was that if the de-hexer had died, I would figure out which of my hundreds of little files was bad, and resend that one file, and then try it again, but this wasn't necessary. John Santos From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 19 20:37:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22872 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25134 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 4 available Date: 20 Aug 1996 00:37:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4vb1c5$dnd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Beta 4 of MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 is now available. Fixes since Beta 3: Corrects bugs in INPUT and MINPUT. Corrects the bug of losing the first two characters of the first argument word in the DIAL command. New commands: SET TERMINAL CR-DISPLAY { NORMAL, CRLF } Governs display of incoming carriage returns. Normal means display CR as CR; CRLF means to add a linefeed. SWITCH { } Similar to SWITCH statement in C. See doc for details. MOVE Just like SEND, but deletes the file(s) after sending them succesfully. RETRIEVE Just like GET, but tells server to delete the file(s) after sending them succesfully. The latest Beta is in the customary place: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip Transfer in binary mode and unzip. MSK315.EXE is the program, MSK315.DOC are the update notes. Send reports by email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 20 04:42:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA06368 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 04:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA03755 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 04:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!news From: "Michael Agbaglo" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: non-US keyboard: unexpected results Date: 20 Aug 1996 06:57:25 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01bb8af4$51ef2120$c41a73c2@pitfall> NNTP-Posting-Host: anonymous232.ppp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 How can I use a german keyboard w/ kermit-95 ? To use the at-sign (@) I have to press Alt-Q - and kermit executes hangup and quit - arrrgh ! From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 20 05:48:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA10838 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 05:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA04905 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 05:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news From: Lieven Tomme Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 and the number of serial ports that can be handled Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:45:24 +0100 Organization: LVD Company n.v. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <32199744.2BC7749F@lvd.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: lvdcomp.eunet.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; Linux 1.1.59 i486) Hello, I would like to find out if the number of serial ports that can be handled by a K95 communications program is limited. A K95 program should be running as server on each serial port (the number of serial ports being greater than 4), without posing problems. Is this realisable in hard- and software ? Thanks, Lieven. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 20 11:54:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28080 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA01689 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: non-US keyboard: unexpected results Date: 20 Aug 1996 15:53:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <4vcn2b$jqd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb8af4$51ef2120$c41a73c2@pitfall> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb8af4$51ef2120$c41a73c2@pitfall>, Michael Agbaglo wrote: : How can I use a german keyboard w/ kermit-95 ? : To use the at-sign (@) I have to press Alt-Q - and kermit executes : hangup and quit - arrrgh ! : We had some difficulties with non-US keyboards in the early releases of Kermit 95. We put a great deal of work into circumventing these problems -- which are caused entirely by Windows 95 bugs (as can be verified by running the exact same software under Windows NT instead of Windows 95 and observing that your keyboard behaves as expected) -- in version 1.1.5 of Kermit 95 and subsequent releases. However, since we do not live in Europe and actually use these keyboards ourselves, some things might escape our notice. You say that you use Alt-q to enter "commercial at sign" (@). That is a surprise to me, because I thought Germans used Alt-Gr to enter special characters, not simply Alt by itself. Alt-Gr is equivalent to Ctrl-Alt. Alt-q is, as you have discovered, mapped to the Keyboard verb \Kquit, meaning "exit from Kermit 95". Ctrl-Alt-Q (i.e. Alt-Gr Q) is mapped to nothing, and so if the German keyboard driver associates it with at-sign, it should produce at-sign. We certainly have a quandary here, don't we? On the one hand we have so many users who want a "hot key" to exit from Kermit 95, and on the other it seems this hot key is needed in Germany for entering an ASCII character. Are you CERTAIN that Alt-q enters at-sign on your keyboard, and not Alt-Gr-q ? In any case, remember we are dealing with DEFAULT mappings here. The beauty of Kermit software is that you can change any key to do anything you want. If you want to see what a key does, type: show key at the K-95> prompt, and the press the key or key combination. If you want to change what a key does, use SET KEY. So if you want Alt-q to generate at-sign, just put the following command in your K95CUSTOM.INI file: set key \2161 @ For lots more details about German and other non-US keyboards, read the relevant sections in your BUGS.DOC file: items 6, 84, 104, 140, and 141. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 20 12:30:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02764 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA03525 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and the number of serial ports that can be handled Date: 20 Aug 1996 16:29:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4vcp53$ktp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32199744.2BC7749F@lvd.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32199744.2BC7749F@lvd.be>, Lieven Tomme wrote: : Hello, : : I would like to find out if the number of serial ports that : can be handled by a K95 communications program is limited. : A K95 program should be running as server on each serial port : (the number of serial ports being greater than 4), without : posing problems. Is this realisable in hard- and software ? Kermit-95 does not place any limits on the nubmber of COMx: ports which may be used. Each port is opened as a file device. So as long as you are able to install your COM ports so that Windows can give them unique names, IO ports, and IRQs you should be fine. There is an artificial limit in the Dialer of 8-ports. But for a Server configuration as described above it is unlikely that the Dialer would be involved. Do you know what kind of hardware you will be using? IBM ARTIC? Digiport? Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 20 19:16:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00387 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA13015 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!news From: "Michael Agbaglo" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: german keyboard w/ k95 ? - how ? Date: 20 Aug 1996 22:00:50 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bb8ee3$16db1ec0$e5119582@pitfall> NNTP-Posting-Host: anonymous229.ppp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 The key ALT-Q is mapped to hangup-and-quit - so each time I try to use it (usually in email stuff) I get kicked out :-( Do I have to remap everything by hand ? (I tried to post this 2 weeks ago, but maybe due to technical problems I can't find it...) From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 21 04:19:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA18469 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 04:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA23825 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 04:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!usenet From: "Kwang S. Kye" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Key Mappings Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:48:04 +0600 Organization: Educational Computing Network Lines: 16 Message-ID: <321A0864.3F88@neiu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip163-91.neiu.bgu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) I have been working with Kermit for MS-Dos and have two questions. I have looked at the txt. file documentation which came with the software, but I could not find the answers. I know that I can map out keys by using SET KEY "UNWANTED KEY CODE" \Kignore, but is there a way to map out Ctrl-]. The Set Key command does not allow this remapping. The main reason I want to do this is for security reasons. I do not want the user to be able to break out of a Kermit session and have the ability to do many undesirable things such as push to Dos. I also can't find the key combination that shrinks the display size of an existing Kermit session. I have ordered the Kermit book by Ms. Giorgione, but I have not received it. If these questions are answered in the book I apologize for my impatience. If you can help me. Please also send E-mail to me when replying to this post. Thanks. -- Kwang S. Kye e-mail 'A hex-editor is not a toy.' Anom. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 21 13:57:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24747 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA23728 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: jmt7@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 1.1.7 send/receive Date: 21 Aug 1996 10:18:25 -0400 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4vf5rh$13tg@ns4-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns4-1.cc.lehigh.edu Hi, I have been away from this news group for a while so I apologize in advance if this issue is old hat... Has send/receive broken in K95 v1.1.7? I tried a simple transfer from host to PC in which I put the PC file in a new dir. For example: from host kermit> send myfile from K95> rec c:/utils/myfile In v1.1.7 "myfile" is stored into the K95 dir (the default), despite the full path (yes, the target dir exists). I dug out my original v1.1 dated 10/5/95 and reinstalled it from floppy and the above sequence works. Note: My host version of C-Kermit is: "5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for IBM RS/6000 AIX 3.2" Any ideas? Is this a bug? Am I doing something stupid? Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- John M. Troiano Internet: jmt7@lehigh.edu Lehigh University Computing Center phone: (610)758-5060 Rm. 183 E.W. Fairchild/Martindale Bldg. fax: (610)974-6436 8B E. Packer Ave. Bethlehem, PA 18015 From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 21 14:05:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01451 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA24006 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 1.1.7 send/receive Date: 21 Aug 1996 18:05:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4vfj53$dd2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4vf5rh$13tg@ns4-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4vf5rh$13tg@ns4-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, wrote: : Has send/receive broken in K95 v1.1.7? I tried a simple transfer from : host to PC in which I put the PC file in a new dir. : : For example: from host kermit> send myfile : from K95> rec c:/utils/myfile : : In v1.1.7 "myfile" is stored into the K95 dir (the default), despite : the full path (yes, the target dir exists). I dug out my original v1.1 : dated 10/5/95 and reinstalled it from floppy and the above sequence : works. : It appears to be a bug. If you say: receive xxx where xxx is a full pathname INCLUDING a filename, the disk:directory part of the pathname seems to be ignored, and the file is stored in the current directory under the filename part from "xxx". For example, if your current directory is D:\FOO and you say "receive e:\test\foo.bar" and then the incoming file, no matter what its name is, goes into d:\foo\foo.bar. HOWEVER, if you say: receive yyy where yyy is a disk and or directory name that does NOT include a filename, the file goes into the specified disk and directory under its own name. We'll need to fix this one. Thanks for noticing. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 21 14:18:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10987 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA24158 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 1.1.7 send/receive Date: 21 Aug 1996 18:18:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4vfjtt$dll@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4vf5rh$13tg@ns4-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> <4vfj53$dd2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4vfj53$dd2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <4vf5rh$13tg@ns4-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, wrote: : : Has send/receive broken in K95 v1.1.7? I tried a simple transfer from : : host to PC in which I put the PC file in a new dir. : : : : For example: from host kermit> send myfile : : from K95> rec c:/utils/myfile : : : : In v1.1.7 "myfile" is stored into the K95 dir (the default), despite : : the full path (yes, the target dir exists). I dug out my original v1.1 : : dated 10/5/95 and reinstalled it from floppy and the above sequence : : works. : : : It appears to be a bug. ... : Silly me, it's not a bug at all. The treatment of path specifications in receive filenames follows your SET RECEIVE PATHNAMES setting, which is OFF by default, meaning that incoming filenames go in download directory (if you have declared one) or else into your current directory. If you SET RECEIVE PATHNAMES ON, then Kermit pays attention to pathnames for incoming files. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 22 02:52:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA01444 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 02:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA09118 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 02:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!metro.atlanta.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!ratty.wolfe.net!usenet From: Baus Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Windows versions of Kermit? Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 22:38:25 -0700 Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <321BF251.6B3@WolfeNet.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sea-ts1-p46.wolfenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Were can I get information on Windows version of Kermit. I have a DOS app that uses 3.14 and I would like to turn it into a Windows app. Is there a Win 3.11 version of Kermit? A W95 version? If so is there a document that compares features between 3.14 and the Windows version? Thanks, Steve From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 22 10:20:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06902 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA06080 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: jmt7@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 1.1.7 send/receive Date: 22 Aug 1996 09:32:17 -0400 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4vhnh1$18dk@ns1-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns1-1.cc.lehigh.edu >: It appears to be a bug. ... >: >Silly me, it's not a bug at all. The treatment of path specifications in >receive filenames follows your SET RECEIVE PATHNAMES setting, which is OFF >by default, meaning that incoming filenames go in download directory (if you >have declared one) or else into your current directory. If you SET RECEIVE >PATHNAMES ON, then Kermit pays attention to pathnames for incoming files. Frank, I enabled path names - works like a charm. Thanks again! - John --------------------------------------------------------------------- John M. Troiano Internet: jmt7@lehigh.edu Lehigh University Computing Center phone: (610)758-5060 Rm. 183 E.W. Fairchild/Martindale Bldg. fax: (610)974-6436 8B E. Packer Ave. Bethlehem, PA 18015 > >- Frank > From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 22 16:33:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03590 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA12454 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news2.new-york.net!not-for-mail From: Thorn@esb.com (Chris Thorn) Subject: Set IRQ, Address (MS-DOS Kermit or K-95 under Win-95, with PCMCIA modem) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 X-Nntp-Posting-User: (Unauthenticated) Reply-To: Thorn@esb.com Organization: Elias Sports Bureau Message-ID: X-Trace: 840739351/16213 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: wnt10.esb.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:43:54 GMT Lines: 29 Three questions about PCMCIA card modems and Win-95, running MS-DOS Kermit or Kermit-95 - TIA for any suggestions. When we run MS-DOS Kermit in a DOS-box under Win-95, we can do SET COM3 \x3f8 10 SET PORT COM3 to set the IRQ and memory address for the PCMCIA card modem. The SET COMn command apparently is not used in Kermit 95, and I didn't see mention of IRQ or address in the K-95 manual. Is the only way to make these settings through Control Panel/System/Device Manager, and if so, why is it necessary to make the setttings again in MS-DOS Kermit? Is this related to the advice we've already received (I think this came from the Columbia Kermit WWW site), that to mark our PCMCIA card work with Kermit-95, we must first use HyperTerminal to make a connection to the port. (We start HyperTerminal, make a connection to the port, begin dialing, cancel the dialing, exit HyperTerminal, and now Kermit-95 will work). That same trick does not work to make MS-DOS Kermit able to use the PCMCIA modem. Is there a FAQ list for PC-MCIA modems, or for MS-DOS Kermit under Windows 95? In particular, I've had trouble with several models of IBM Thinkpads (in some cases using a card modem known to work on another notebook PC with the same MS-DOS Kermit TAKE files) Chris Thorn / Elias Sports Bureau / Thorn@esb.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 22 17:01:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07707 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA12993 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Set IRQ, Address (MS-DOS Kermit or K-95 under Win-95, with PCMCIA modem) Date: 22 Aug 1996 21:00:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-ID: <4vihq0$f7d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chris Thorn wrote: : Three questions about PCMCIA card modems and Win-95, running MS-DOS : Kermit or Kermit-95 - TIA for any suggestions. : : When we run MS-DOS Kermit in a DOS-box under Win-95, we can do : SET COM3 \x3f8 10 : SET PORT COM3 : to set the IRQ and memory address for the PCMCIA card modem. : The SET COMn command apparently is not used in Kermit 95, : and I didn't see mention of IRQ or address in the K-95 manual. Is the : only way to make these settings through Control Panel/System/Device : Manager... : Yes. : and if so, why is it necessary to make the setttings again in : MS-DOS Kermit? : Because MS-DOS Kermit is not a Windows 95 program. Kermit 95 does not go "straight to the metal" like MS-DOS Kermit does. It does not use interrupts or device registers. It is a well-behaved 32-bit Windows program that uses device drivers to access devices, a concept largely unknown in DOS. MS-DOS Kermit is its own device driver, and to some extent various versions of Windows let it get away with this in their efforts to support DOS programs. : Is this related to the advice we've already received (I think this : came from the Columbia Kermit WWW site), that to mark our PCMCIA card : work with Kermit-95, we must first use HyperTerminal to make a : connection to the port. (We start HyperTerminal, make a connection to : the port, begin dialing, cancel the dialing, exit HyperTerminal, and : now Kermit-95 will work). : No, it's not related. The problem here is that the COM device driver that Windows 95 makes available to console applications (such as Kermit 95) (NOTE: "console applications" -- not "DOS applications") does not support PCMCIA/PnP modems. : That same trick does not work to make MS-DOS Kermit able to use the : PCMCIA modem. Is there a FAQ list for PC-MCIA modems, or for : MS-DOS Kermit under Windows 95? In particular, I've had trouble with : several models of IBM Thinkpads (in some cases using a card modem : known to work on another notebook PC with the same MS-DOS Kermit TAKE : files) : If MS-DOS Kermit works in any particular situation in Windows 95 or NT, it's lucky, but it isn't supported. Kermit 95 is the Kermit program for those platforms. As I'm sure you know from reading the Web pages, we are working as hard and fast as we can to create a full GUI (non-console) version of it, that will get around all the bugs and restrictions in Windows 95 console mode. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 22 19:22:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25738 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15495 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bctel.net!news.pinc.com!cue.bc.ca!jnemeth From: jnemeth@cue.bc.ca (John Nemeth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: status line in MS-Kermit 3.14 VT320 emulator Date: 22 Aug 1996 08:03:45 GMT Organization: Computer Using Educators of B.C., Canada Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4vh491$mbm@news.pinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: access.access.victoria.bc.ca I just upgraded to MS-Kermit 3.14 (I know I'm a little behind the times). I use the VT320 emulator mode. I'm useing a monochrome video card right now. I have several programs that print things on the status line. They worked find with 3.13, but now the stuff they print shows up on the last line of the terminal (the line above the status/mode line). I checked all the docs and can't seem to find anything about this problem. The only lines in my mskermit.ini that affect the terminal are... set terminal wrap-lines on set terminal rollback on set terminal character-set ascii set terminal bell visual set terminal APC-macro off set terminal expanded-memory on The termcap entry I'm using is (all the stuff for the status line is on the second last line)... km|kermpc|MS-Kermit, VT320 Emulation with status line.:\ :al=\E[L:bs:cd=\E[J:ce=\E[K:cl=\E[H\E[2J:cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:co#80:\ :cr=^M:cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:dc=\E[P:dl=\E[M:do=^J:ei=\E[4l:im=\E[4h:\ :is=\E[m\E[?1;?2;?7h\E[?5;4;20l\E[0q\E=:kb=^?:kd=\EOB:ke=\E>:\ :kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:ks=\E=:ku=\EOA:le=^H:li#24:mi:ms:nd=\E[C:pt:\ :rs=\E[m\E[?1;?2;?7h\E[?5;4;20l\E[0q\E=:se=\E[m:sf=2*^J:so=\E[1m:\ :sr=2*\EM:ue=\E[m:up=\E[A:us=\E[4m:\ :vb=\E[?5h\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\E[?5l:\ :ds=:es:fs=\E8:hs:ts=\E7\E[?6h\E[25;%dH\E[2K:\ :AL=\E[%dL:DC=\E[%dP:DL=\E[%dM:NF:LF: Is this a known problem with 3.14? Is there something wrong with my termcap entry (I hand crafted it many years ago?. Is there a -- John Nemeth jnemeth@cue.bc.ca System Administrator CUEBC, TC, VIFA, access Opinions are my own. From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 22 20:07:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02108 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA16368 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.os.aos,comp.os.qnx,comp.os.os9,comp.sys.dec,comp.unix.aix,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris,comp.sys.hp.hpux Subject: C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta.029 Available Date: 23 Aug 1996 00:07:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 166 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4visne$jlp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5801 comp.os.vms:133728 comp.os.aos:792 comp.os.qnx:9141 comp.os.os9:8987 comp.sys.dec:41102 comp.unix.aix:95147 comp.os.linux.misc:140446 comp.unix.solaris:91984 comp.sys.hp.hpux:51798 This is to announce a third Beta-test edit of C-Kermit 6.0.192 for UNIX, VMS, AOS/VS, QNX, BeOS, OS-9, and (not quite Beta) the Apple Macintosh, hopefully to be joined by several other operating systems along the way. The previous general release of C-Kermit was 5A(190) in October 1994. The previous 6.0 Beta test, 6.0.192 Beta.026, was announced on June 13. This is Beta.029 (there were a couple internal Betas that did not go out to the public). The changes are: . Major overhaul to dynamic timeouts and packet-length adjustments . New command-line option -Q to select fast file transfer . Default block check is now 3 . SET FLOW-CONTROL AUTOMATIC ("do the right thing") is now the default . A new way to compare file-transfer CRCs after the transfer . A new way for the host to force C-Kermit to escape back to its prompt . Local variables can now be local to command files as well as to macros . New RETRIEVE command, like MOVE but in the other direction . ASK, ASKQ, GETOK now refrain from over-evaluating their prompt text . Functions now accept braces around arguments to preserve spaces or commas . New functions for getting checksums and CRCs of arbitrary text . \v(dialresult) now has extraneous control characters trimmed from end . MAIL and REMOTE PRINT can now be ENABLEd and DISABLEd separately . SET TRANSFER BELL OFF for people who hate the beep after a file transfer . Control characters can now be entered in ^X notation (e.g. SET ESC ^X) . Numerous display, statistics, and cosmetic improvements Bugs fixed: . VMS labeled-mode file receives did not work . VMS OPEN READ and SEND files used the same channel . VMS TYPE command was too slow and could not be interrupted . Array elements could not be used for filenames . SET DESTINATION PRINTER fixed in UNIX version New systems supported: . BeBox with BeOS DR7 BUILT AND TESTED ON... Apple Macintosh with Mac OS 6.03. DEC Alpha, OpenVMS 6.2 with and without TGV MultiNet. DEC VAXstation 3100 VAX/VMS 5.5-1 with and without UCX. DEC VAX 4000 VMS 5.5-2 + TGV MultiNet. Data General MV 2500/DC AOS/VS II 2.20.00.39 + TCP/IP. DEC 5800 with Ultrix 4.3. DEC Alpha with Digital UNIX 3.2 DEC MicroVAX-II with Bell Labs Research UNIX 10th edition. DEC PDP-11/44 with BSD 2.11. HP 9000, many models, with HP-UX versions from 5.21 to 10.01. HP 9000 with BSD 4.4-Lite. IBM Power Series 400 AIX 4.1. NeXTstation, NeXTSTEP 3.1. PCs with BSDI 1.0-C and 2.1. PCs with Linux, various versions. PCs with QNX 4.22. PCs with SCO Open Server R5.0. PCs with Unixware 2.10. SGI Indigo with IRIX 5.3. Sun SPARC, SunOS 4.1.3_U1. Sun SPARC, Solaris 2.4, 2.5 with and without SunLink X.25 9.00. Thanks to all of you who tested the last Beta and sent in reports. Special thanks to Peter Eichhorn for especially detailed and exhaustive tests (and quite a few excellent suggestions), Michael P. Murphy for the BeBox adaptation, Steven M. Schultz for help with 2.11BSD (where C-Kermit still runs in 64K using overlays), James Jones for help with OS-9, and to Jeff Altman as usual for tons of stuff. Here are some notes about specific versions: THE MACINTOSH VERSION Owing to the still-chronic lack of Macintosh programmers, the Macintosh version remains badly neglected. Reportedly it does not work at all on some Macintosh platforms (it does on mine), or on certain kinds of communication ports but not others; many features are not filled in, etc etc. It has been updated to the current C-Kermit beta level, but no Macintosh-specific changes have been made since the previous beta. THE AOS/VS VERSION I can still build it myself for AOS/VS-II, but this version does not work on AOS/VS Classic, and some people have been asking for it. Somebody with an AOS/VS Classic system with the DG C compiler and linker needs to build it and make the binary available. THE BEBOX VERSION Is rather primitive, but so is BeOS itself. As Be continues to fill in the pieces, C-Kermit will get better. Source code only for now, a binary should be available soon. THE OS-9 / OS-9000 VERSION We hope to see binaries for OS-9 and perhaps also OS-9000 on selected platforms soon. Current source code should be fine for OS-9. The other versions: VOS, Amiga, Atari, etc, should appear soon too. WHERE TO GET IT (same place as usual): Quick access for Web users: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit Follow the "What's New" link (reload if necessary). The new test version is available via anonymous ftp from: kermit.columbia.edu in the kermit/test directory tree: kermit/test/text/ Contains individual source files, documentation files, makefiles, etc ftp in text mode. The general formula for getting all the files you need for a particular version is: text prompt mget ck[cuw]*.[cwh] ck?*.* (where ? = v for VMS, m for Macintosh, etc) kermit/test/macintosh/ The macintosh binary as a BinHex 4.0 file, ckmker.hqx, plus accompanying documentation files, such as they are. ftp in text mode. kermit/test/tar/ The complete UNIX sources, makefile, and documentation files as compressed tar archives: cku192.tar.Z (uncompress) and cku192.tar.gz (gunzip) kermit/test/bin/ Individual binaries, all of them used to transfer themselves (in binary mode, of course :-) ftp in binary mode. The READ.ME file in this directory explains what is what (text mode for this file only). As always, the primary documentation for C-Kermit is the book "Using C-Kermit", supplemented by the following files, in kermit/test/text/: NEWS.TXT -- announcements ckcker.upd -- documentation for new features. dialing.doc -- new dialing features modems.doc -- new modem support and features ckuker.nr -- UNIX man page ck?ker.bwr -- "beware" file for ?=u (UNIX), v (VMS), etc. ck?ins.doc -- installation instructions for u (UNIX), v (VMS), etc. ckccfg.doc -- configuration options ckcplm.doc -- program logic manual Reports of all kinds -- good, bad -- are most welcome; please send them straight to: kermit@columbia.edu Bad ones tend to come anyway, but if you test this version of Kermit and it's OK, please let us know about that too. Please be specific about your hardware platform, operating system and version, etc. If anybody wants to furnish binaries for this Beta version that are not already present -- e.g. for DG/UX, Solaris/Intel, VMS with other TCP/IP products, etc -- please send email to kermit@columbia.edu. Watch the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup for further announcements. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone Managers, The Kermit Project Columbia University From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 23 04:00:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA14594 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 04:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA24919 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 04:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Kevin Knickerbocker" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS C-Kermit closing port Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:19:12 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bb90a1.db1a7820$79c8b7c7@#knickerb> NNTP-Posting-Host: col-oh3-25.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Aug 22 10:12:27 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 I am using C-Kermit on a VMS machine with over a dialup connection with modems attached to a DECserver 200MC using LAT. The problem I am experiencing is that the modem connection is dropped when C-Kermit exits and closes the port. This only happens when the call is originated by the VMS machine, it does not happen when the VMS machine is on the answering end. Normally it would make sense for the originator of a dialup connection to close that connection when it exits. However, in my situation the VMS machine is being accessed using a dialback system. So, the VMS machine will hang up on a caller and originate a call back to them. It is not acceptable for the connection to be lost when C-Kermit exits. Is there any way to inhibit C-Kermit from closing the port when it exits? Kevin From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 23 10:14:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27956 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA20485 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 10:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit closing port Date: 23 Aug 1996 14:14:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4vkebj$oh9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb90a1.db1a7820$79c8b7c7@#knickerb> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb90a1.db1a7820$79c8b7c7@#knickerb>, Kevin Knickerbocker wrote: : I am using C-Kermit on a VMS machine with over a dialup connection with : modems attached to a DECserver 200MC using LAT. The problem I am : experiencing is that the modem connection is dropped when C-Kermit exits : and closes the port. This only happens when the call is originated by the : VMS machine, it does not happen when the VMS machine is on the answering : end. Normally it would make sense for the originator of a dialup : connection to close that connection when it exits. However, in my : situation the VMS machine is being accessed using a dialback system. So, : the VMS machine will hang up on a caller and originate a call back to : them. It is not acceptable for the connection to be lost when C-Kermit : exits. Is there any way to inhibit C-Kermit from closing the port when it : exits? : Get new new 6.0 Beta version and write a script program for it that places the call, hangs up, and then issues an ANSWER command to wait for the callback. The 6.0 Beta was announced on this newsgroup yesterday. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 23 13:05:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23976 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA23721 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!cancer.vividnet.com!news.wildstar.net!news.sdsmt.edu!news.mid.net!mr.net!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Set IRQ, Address (MS-DOS Kermit or K-95 under Win-95, with PCMCIA Message-ID: <1996Aug23.094413.84145@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Aug 96 09:44:13 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 In article , Thorn@esb.com (Chris Thorn) writes: > Three questions about PCMCIA card modems and Win-95, running MS-DOS > Kermit or Kermit-95 - TIA for any suggestions. > > When we run MS-DOS Kermit in a DOS-box under Win-95, we can do > SET COM3 \x3f8 10 > SET PORT COM3 > to set the IRQ and memory address for the PCMCIA card modem. > The SET COMn command apparently is not used in Kermit 95, > and I didn't see mention of IRQ or address in the K-95 manual. Is the > only way to make these settings through Control Panel/System/Device > Manager, and if so, why is it necessary to make the setttings again in > MS-DOS Kermit? > > Is this related to the advice we've already received (I think this > came from the Columbia Kermit WWW site), that to mark our PCMCIA card > work with Kermit-95, we must first use HyperTerminal to make a > connection to the port. (We start HyperTerminal, make a connection to > the port, begin dialing, cancel the dialing, exit HyperTerminal, and > now Kermit-95 will work). > > That same trick does not work to make MS-DOS Kermit able to use the > PCMCIA modem. Is there a FAQ list for PC-MCIA modems, or for > MS-DOS Kermit under Windows 95? In particular, I've had trouble with > several models of IBM Thinkpads (in some cases using a card modem > known to work on another notebook PC with the same MS-DOS Kermit TAKE > files) > > Chris Thorn / Elias Sports Bureau / Thorn@esb.com -------------- When MS-DOS Kermit is running in a DOS box the serial ports presented to MSK are those *simulated* by Windows. Pure Windows programs access ports much more indirectly via Windows systems calls rather than go to the hardware. Secondly, as the MSK docs say, there is NO STANDARD on what COM3 and COM4 mean. Please do review the MSK distribution docs for more on the matter. For Windows work Windows will have to provide those ports. Lastly, PCMCIA peripherials are very far from being standardized. Some units work with some helper drivers in some machines, but different combinations won't. It's frustrating, and there isn't much that we can do to help you. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 23 13:20:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25701 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA23952 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!surfnet.nl!tuegate.tue.nl!news.tue.nl!usenet From: Frank Kloprogge Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CTRL-BREAK patch available ? Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:57:09 -0700 Organization: Pedagogisch Technische Hogeschool Nederland (PTH) Lines: 18 Message-ID: <321E0D14.588@pth.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc-50.pth.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6Gold (Win16; I) Hi there, I would like to know if it's possible to tell msdos-kermit (3.14) not to detect a CTRL-break. If I patch Bios-intrpt 1B to a IRET, DOS works ok but whenever I start kermit and type CTRL-break, the PC either freezes or my screen gets garbled. Thanx in advance for any solution ! -- Whatever I say, my boss does NOT believe me Frank Kloprogge PTH e-mail : F.J.M.Kloprogge@pth.nl PO Box 526 or : frankie@pth.nl 5600 AV EINDHOVEN PTH is the sole technical teacher training college in the Netherlands From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 23 15:21:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13134 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA26220 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!lia!glenn From: glenn@ia-us.com (Glenn Herteg) Subject: anonymous-ftp equivalent? Message-ID: <1996Aug23.181544.1093@ia-us.com> Keywords: anonymous ftp Reply-To: glenn@ia-us.com (Glenn Herteg) Organization: IA Corporation, Emeryville, CA Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 18:15:44 GMT Lines: 26 We'd like to set up a service over an internal UNIX network which is the equivalent of anonymous ftp, allowing processes to get and put files within a particular file tree on a remote machine. The trick is, we don't want any hassles with "logging in" -- no password prompt should ever appear, since the file transfers will be completely automated. What we have in mind is to set up one or more copies of kermit listening as servers on particular sockets on the remote machine. Then when a workstation wants to get or put a file, it would just fire up a local copy of kermit and configure it via a predefined script. Making the connection should work with no manual intervention and without any password being stored in a file. The only thing that would vary each time would be the local and remote file paths and the transfer direction, and those items would be fed to the local kermit by the program that invokes it. Once the transfer is done, the local kermit would exit, and the remote server copy would reset itself to accept a new connection. Has this type of thing been done before? Is a similar setup described anywhere, including perhaps the C-Kermit book? (I loaned out my copy, and not surprisingly, I never got it back.) Thanks for any help, Glenn Herteg glenn@ia-us.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 23 15:50:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18271 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA26713 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: anonymous-ftp equivalent? Date: 23 Aug 1996 19:50:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 82 Message-ID: <4vl21l$2s7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Aug23.181544.1093@ia-us.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: anonymous ftp In article <1996Aug23.181544.1093@ia-us.com>, Glenn Herteg wrote: : We'd like to set up a service over an internal UNIX network which is the : equivalent of anonymous ftp, allowing processes to get and put files within a : particular file tree on a remote machine. The trick is, we don't want any : hassles with "logging in" -- no password prompt should ever appear, since the : file transfers will be completely automated. : : What we have in mind is to set up one or more copies of kermit listening as : servers on particular sockets on the remote machine. Then when a workstation : wants to get or put a file, it would just fire up a local copy of kermit and : configure it via a predefined script. Making the connection should work with : no manual intervention and without any password being stored in a file. The : only thing that would vary each time would be the local and remote file paths : and the transfer direction, and those items would be fed to the local kermit : by the program that invokes it. Once the transfer is done, the local kermit : would exit, and the remote server copy would reset itself to accept a new : connection. : In version 6.0 of C-Kermit, presently in Beta, we have sort of more or less halfway implemented what you want. The big difference from earlier versions is that you *can* have C-Kermit listen for incoming TCP connections on a socket of your choice. However, we have not quite turned it into an alternative FTP server yet -- since that would require running as root, adding in all the authentication code, doing chroot's etc. Maybe later. In the meantime, you can start it up with a script like the following: cd blah disable cd ; Don't let users go outside this directory disable send ; If you don't want them to upload set file download-directory ./incoming ; or if you do... disable delete ; If you don't want them to delete files disable ; as needed set server login ; if desired set host * 3000 ; Wait for a connection to come in on port 3000 server ; When it does, go into server mode exit (If you don't specify a login sequence, then anybody can use the server without logging in; note that the userid and password are just strings given to Kermit -- they have nothing to do with your ID system.) Now the client can do anything that a Kermit client can do -- transfer files, get directory listings, etc. When they disconnect or hangup, the server goes away. Or you could have it go into a loop waiting for a new connection: disable bye while true { set host * 3000 if fail break server } Now, recall that you can start C-Kermit with a script filename as its first command-line argument. So say the above scriptfile is called "kermitd", then you could put the appropriate: kermit /path/kermitd commands in your inetd configuration, and off you go. Clients would access your Kermit server like this: set host 3000 ; or other socket remote login ; if required and then GET, SEND, REMOTE DIRECTORY, etc etc, and then FINISH when done. This is just a rough sketch, but you get the idea. If you would like to report back concerning specifics, refinements, gotchas, etc, please do! NOTE: There are no guarantees here about security, but every attempt has been made to keep it secure within the constraints of whatever DISABLE commands you have given. Again, reports would be appreciated -- that's what Beta testing is for! C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta.029 is available now -- see recent announcements on this newsgroup, or on the Web http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/whatsnew.html. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 23 18:29:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04567 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 18:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA29936 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 18:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!daily-planet.execpc.com!usenet From: tom.kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.os.aos Subject: Re: C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta.029 Available Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 22:25:12 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Lines: 19 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <321e2f99.28416052@news.execpc.com> References: <4visne$jlp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lovecraft.execpc.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5808 comp.os.vms:133810 comp.os.aos:798 >THE AOS/VS VERSION > I can still build it myself for AOS/VS-II, but this version does not > work on AOS/VS Classic, and some people have been asking for it. > Somebody with an AOS/VS Classic system with the DG C compiler and > linker needs to build it and make the binary available. I am one of those people. If anyone can build it or has the older beta built for AOS/VS Classic, we'd be very grateful if you could tell us how to get the files. Many thanks. Regards, Tom Kustner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: kustner@emjay.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 23 19:33:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12609 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA01022 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!netnews.cc.wwu.edu!NESSIE.CC.WWU.EDU!evelyn From: evelyn@NESSIE.CC.WWU.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit 3.14 as terminal for VAX/VMS Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:53:43 PST Organization: Western Washington University Lines: 24 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: nessie.cc.wwu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm having a problem with MSKermit 3.14 that I don't have with MSKermit 3.13. It is being run under Windows 3.11 to connect to VAX/VMS and emulating either a VT220 or VT320 over an ethernet line. When I do something on the VAX which causes a many-paged listing to screen, such as the listing of a big directory or a thousand variables from an SPSS file, it starts pausing after the first few pages. Then it will do approximately one additional page, pause again, and repeat the cycle. After a while it may freeze completely and disconnect. I've tested it using the same .ini files and changing only the kermit.exe, but also using the MSKERMIT.INI file that came with 3.14 and a MSCUSTOM.INI file that I thought would incorporate our local modifications. I've read the .bwr file but nothing looks obvious and will be glad to read "Using MS-DOS KERMIT", but don't know what to look for. Thanks for any tips, Evelyn |Evelyn Albrecht Ph: (360) 650-3239 | |Academic Computing Services Internet: evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu | |Western Washington Univ. | |Bellingham, WA 98225-9094 | From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 23 20:39:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17936 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA02392 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!chi-news.cic.net!newspump.sol.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: status line in MS-Kermit 3.14 VT320 emulator Message-ID: <1996Aug23.172921.84166@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Aug 96 17:29:21 MDT References: <4vh491$mbm@news.pinc.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 59 In article <4vh491$mbm@news.pinc.com>, jnemeth@cue.bc.ca (John Nemeth) writes: > I just upgraded to MS-Kermit 3.14 (I know I'm a little behind the > times). I use the VT320 emulator mode. I'm useing a monochrome video > card right now. I have several programs that print things on the > status line. They worked find with 3.13, but now the stuff they print > shows up on the last line of the terminal (the line above the > status/mode line). I checked all the docs and can't seem to find > anything about this problem. > > The only lines in my mskermit.ini that affect the terminal are... > > set terminal wrap-lines on > set terminal rollback on > set terminal character-set ascii > set terminal bell visual > set terminal APC-macro off > set terminal expanded-memory on > > The termcap entry I'm using is (all the stuff for the status line > is on the second last line)... > > km|kermpc|MS-Kermit, VT320 Emulation with status line.:\ > :al=\E[L:bs:cd=\E[J:ce=\E[K:cl=\E[H\E[2J:cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:co#80:\ > :cr=^M:cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:dc=\E[P:dl=\E[M:do=^J:ei=\E[4l:im=\E[4h:\ > :is=\E[m\E[?1;?2;?7h\E[?5;4;20l\E[0q\E=:kb=^?:kd=\EOB:ke=\E>:\ > :kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:ks=\E=:ku=\EOA:le=^H:li#24:mi:ms:nd=\E[C:pt:\ > :rs=\E[m\E[?1;?2;?7h\E[?5;4;20l\E[0q\E=:se=\E[m:sf=2*^J:so=\E[1m:\ > :sr=2*\EM:ue=\E[m:up=\E[A:us=\E[4m:\ > :vb=\E[?5h\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\E[?5l:\ > :ds=:es:fs=\E8:hs:ts=\E7\E[?6h\E[25;%dH\E[2K:\ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This is yours, I presume > :AL=\E[%dL:DC=\E[%dP:DL=\E[%dM:NF:LF: > > Is this a known problem with 3.14? Is there something wrong with > my termcap entry (I hand crafted it many years ago?. Is there a > -- > John Nemeth jnemeth@cue.bc.ca > System Administrator > CUEBC, TC, VIFA, access Opinions are my own. ----------------- The proper and official way is like this, from distribution file msvibm.vt (and DEC's VT320 docs). MSK 3.15 beta has removed the older method of directly addressing line "25" (others please take note). CSI Ps $ } DECSASD Select active status display Ps = 0 select main display Ps = 1 select status line Moves cursor to selected display area. This command will be ignored unless the status line has been enabled by CSI 2 $ ~. When the status line has been selected cursor remains there until the main display is reselected by CSI 0 $ }. CSI Ps $ ~ DECSSDT Select Status Line Type Ps meaning 0 no status line (empty) 1 indicator line (locally owned, Kermit default) 2 host-writable line Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 23 22:17:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA24544 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 22:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA04033 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 22:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!news.cerf.net!nic.cerf.net!spacecc From: "Space Computer Corp." Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Loss of characters by DOS Kermit under OS/2 during macros Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:31:20 -0700 Organization: CERFnet Lines: 36 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.cerf.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am running DOS Kermit 3.14, Patch 9, under OS/2 Warp with a FOSSIL connection using Ray Gwinn's SIO programs. This works fine for "normal" usage, but while Kermit is executing the "Product" macro it appears that the input buffer overflows, and characters are lost. (This procedure worked perfectly when DOS Kermit was run under actual DOS, rather than a DOS window under OS/2.) More specifically, the host is a VAX/VMS system, and both the host and Kermit are set for xon/xoff flow control. The host sends the escape sequence to cause Kermit to execute the "Product" macro, which in this case is just "log session file.dat", and follows this immediately with a data stream. The beginning of the data stream is captured in file.dat, then there is a big gap, then the rest of the data stream is captured. A similar thing happens when the second "Product" macro is executed. In this case, the host sends another escape sequence to cause Kermit to execute the second "Product" macro, which is just "close session; run myprogram.exe", followed by more data for the Kermit screen. The logging is correctly ended, myprogram.exe is correctly executed, and the first of the data for the Kermit screen is correctly buffered (it is received while myprogram.exe is running). When myprogram.exe ends and control is returned to Kermit, Kermit shows the screen data it correctly buffered, but everything after that (about half a screen full) sent while myprogram.exe was executing is lost. One more observation which may be relevant: When a long stream of data is being sent to Kermit from the host, I can hit ctrl-S on the keyboard to suspend the sending of data, but it keeps coming for several seconds, which seems like an inordinately long time, and makes me suspect that Kermit's xoff signals are not being sent to the host quickly enough to prevent buffer overflow. When I type ctrl-Q to resume sending, the response is pretty quick, but not really instantaneous (to the eye). Has anyone else encountered similar problems, and is there a setting of Kermit's parameters which will prevent this? Bill Kendall From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 24 01:33:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14665 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 01:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA07676 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 01:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CTRL-BREAK patch available ? Message-ID: <1996Aug23.225420.84180@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Aug 96 22:54:20 MDT References: <321E0D14.588@pth.nl> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 In article <321E0D14.588@pth.nl>, Frank Kloprogge writes: > Hi there, > > I would like to know if it's possible to tell msdos-kermit (3.14) not to > detect a CTRL-break. > > If I patch Bios-intrpt 1B to a IRET, DOS works ok but whenever I start > kermit and type CTRL-break, the PC either freezes or my screen gets > garbled. > > Thanx in advance for any solution ! ---------- You may have patched a high level part of the Bios but the key information comes through anyway at the Bios level (legit, also high level Bios stuff). The MSK will see it, but you can tell MSK what to do with it of course via SET KEY. That's in Connect mode. While at the Kermit prompt Kermit reads keys from DOS, and at that level Control-Break is passed to Kermit as an Int 23h Control-Break interrupt (which MSK must trap and deal with). I have no idea why your PC would freeze, aside from the obvious suggestion that patching as you have done may have unexpected side effects. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 24 13:37:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20248 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13606 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Kevin Knickerbocker" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit closing port Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:45:25 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bb91de.50653d80$aac8b7c7@#knickerb> References: <01bb90a1.db1a7820$79c8b7c7@#knickerb> <4vkebj$oh9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: col-oh5-10.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Aug 24 9:57:34 AM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in > Get new new 6.0 Beta version and write a script program for it that places > the call, hangs up, and then issues an ANSWER command to wait for the > callback. The 6.0 Beta was announced on this newsgroup yesterday. > I have tried the 6.0 Beta version, however I don't think the ANSWER command applies in my situation anyway. The VMS machine is the one doing the dialback and it is doing so using software other than Kermit. Once connected to the VMS machine the user goes through the standard VMS login and is given the DCL command prompt. The user then runs C-Kermit in server mode to transfer files. When C-Kermit exits, instead of returning to the command prompt, the dialup connection is abruptly disconnected. This only occurs when the user has logged in using dialback and my suspicion is that it is because the connection was originated by VMS rather than the user. Kevin From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 24 21:34:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27331 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 21:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA21489 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 21:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!news1.erols.com!newsmaster@erols.com From: "Richard W. Austin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sun Solaris to DEC VAX transfer problems Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 21:38:03 -0500 Organization: Bell Atlantic Lines: 27 Message-ID: <321FBC8B.751B@bell-atl.com> Reply-To: richard.w.austin@bell-atl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: col-as8s62.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6Gold (Win95; I) I have got an "expect" script that I am using to send a file from my local Sun Solaris machine to a DEC VAX. The expect script is wrapped inside a shell script that will redial the connection up to three times if it could not connect previously. The expect script logs into the VAX fine, but then the problems begin. Once connected to the VAX, the expect script starts receiving garbage from the remote end (I'm guessing that the VAX is probing to find out the local terminal type). I get around this by sending a few carriage-returns and waiting for the "$" prompt. I then start Kermit and set the escape sequence to "set escape 005". I then do a "receive " and then try to escape back to the local session to "send" the file. I can never escape back to do the "send", which is my problem. I send the escape in expect as: send "\005c" However it just doesn't seem to cut it. This exact script works properly when I send data to another Unix machine (HP) and to the IBM mainframe. Any clues, comments, and/or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Rick richard.w.austin@bell-atl.com, raustin@erols.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 25 00:29:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09603 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 00:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA24638 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 00:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit closing port Date: 25 Aug 1996 04:28:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4vokq8$qsh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb90a1.db1a7820$79c8b7c7@#knickerb> <4vkebj$oh9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <01bb91de.50653d80$aac8b7c7@#knickerb> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb91de.50653d80$aac8b7c7@#knickerb>, Kevin Knickerbocker wrote: : > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in : > Get new new 6.0 Beta version and write a script program for it that : places : > the call, hangs up, and then issues an ANSWER command to wait for the : > callback. The 6.0 Beta was announced on this newsgroup yesterday. : > : I have tried the 6.0 Beta version, however I don't think the ANSWER : command applies in my situation anyway. The VMS machine is the one doing : the dialback and it is doing so using software other than Kermit. Once : connected to the VMS machine the user goes through the standard VMS login : and is given the DCL command prompt. The user then runs C-Kermit in : server mode to transfer files. When C-Kermit exits, instead of returning : to the command prompt, the dialup connection is abruptly disconnected. : This only occurs when the user has logged in using dialback and my : suspicion is that it is because the connection was originated by VMS : rather than the user. "When C-Kermit exits" is referring to the C-Kermit running on the VMS machine? How is C-Kermit being told to use the port? My guess is that you are telling it to open the port with SET LINE so C-Kermit thinks it has exclusive use of it. Is this correct? Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 25 01:56:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA17596 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA25710 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!cc.usu.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: I had to try it! Message-ID: <321FD7DE.6391@my.home.address> From: Mitch Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 22:34:38 -0600 Nntp-Posting-Host: asy40.xy1.usu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5aGold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 110 -- Sorry to post this to your newsgroup, but I had to try it! I read this and thought, "What could I lose?" Read through it and maybe you'll like to try it as well! But please be honest. That is how it works. "MAKE-MONEY-FAST" ----- Adapted article by Jody Vining (#4 below) ---------------- Want to make a few bucks? Quick, easy and cheap? Ok ok, we have all heard this before, laughed at it, thought it was stupid, so did I. But one day, I was bored, and wanted to see if this thing really works, the now infamous newsgroup "make-money-fast" routine. And well, to my surprise, it ACTUALLY WORKED. I didn't make $50,000 like some said, but I DID make $3,200 in 1 month. Thats not bad for a $5 investment! So now try it, maybe you'll make less, maybe you'll make more, but its worth a shot right? The procedure is very simple. STEP 1. Write your name and address on 5 separate pieces of paper with the words "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST". Fold a $1 note or money order or bank draft in each of the pieces of paper and mail them to the following five addresses: ---------------------------------------------------------- 1. Sahba Zadeh, 16115 122 Pl. NE, Bothell, WA 98011, USA 2. John England, 570 Vista Ave. Palo Alto, CA 94306, USA 3. Jeannette Bidegain, 2301 Redwood Street, #1406, Las Vegas, NV 89102,USA 4. Jody Vining, 987 Shetland Ave, Winter Springs, FL, 32708 5. Mitch Whiteley, 1026 N. 510 W. Apt. 4A, Logan, UT 84341 --------------------------------------------------------------- STEP 2. Now remove the 1st name on the list, move the other 4 names up (5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3 etc) and put your name and address as number 5 on the list. You can do this by re-typing this article or simply editing and re-posting it in this or another newsgroup. STEP 3. Post your amended article to at least 200 new groups (there are 17 000 of them). You are now in the Mail Order Investment Business and you will start receiving $1 returns by mail within a week or two. The more newsgroups you post to, the bigger your return will be. You may want to rent a Post Office Box to handle the volume of mail you are likely to receive. If you wish to remain anonymous, you can use a pseudonym such as "The Manager" or "The Investor", but make sure your address is correct! NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS! Of every 200 postings I made, I received an average of 5 replies, YES - ONLY 5, each with a $1 bill enclosed. You make $5 for every 200 postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 5. Each person who sent you $1, now also makes let's say,only 200 additional postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 4, i.e. 1000 postings. On average therefore, 50 people will send you $1 with your name at number 4. You make $50. Your 50 new agents make 200 posting each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3 or 10 000 postings - average return 500 at $1 each is $500. They make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 2 = 100 000 postings = 5 000 returns at $1 each = $5 000. Finally, 5 000 people make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 1 and you get a return of $50 000 before you name drops off the list. AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE ONLY MAKES 200 POSTINGS! Total income in one cycle = $55 500. >From time to time, when your name is no longer on the list, you take the latest posting that is appearing in the newsgroups, SEND OUT ANOTHER $5 TO THE NAMES THAT ARE ON THE LIST, PUT YOUR NAME IN AT NUMBER 5 AND START POSTING AGAIN. Remember, 200 postings is only a guideline. The more you post, the greater the return. Let's review the reasons why you should do this: THE ONLY COST FACTORS ARE 5 STAMPS, 5 ENVELOPES, AND 5 $1 BILLS. Anyone can afford five dollars to put into such an effortless investment with SPECTACULAR RETURNS. Some people have said to me "What happens if the scheme is 'played out' and no one sends me any money"? Big deal! So you lose $5 - but what are the chances of that happening? Do you realise how many Internet Users there are? Do you realise how many times this scheme can be utilised over and over again - with COMPLETELY NEW people participating? There are not HUNDREDS, NOT EVEN THOUSANDS, BUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF NEW INTERNET USERS EVERY MONTH! Remember, read the instructions carefully and play FAIRLY...that's the only way this will work. Get a printout so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep an eye on the newsgroup postings to make sure everyone is playing fairly. You know where your name should be. From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 25 07:31:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23610 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 07:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA24347 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 07:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!hrz-ws11.hrz.uni-kassel.de!newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!rhein!phoenix.rhein.de!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Mitch Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <321FD7DE.6391@my.home.address> Control: cancel <321FD7DE.6391@my.home.address> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 22:34:38 -0600 Organization: Private Internet Site, St. Augustin Lines: 1 Message-ID: Reply-To: simons@petium.rhein.de NNTP-Posting-Host: petium.rhein.de X-Cancelled-By: simons@peti.rhein.de Spam cancelled by Peter Simons . From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 25 12:01:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14685 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 12:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA28970 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 12:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Kevin Knickerbocker" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit closing port Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 11:45:19 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 49 Message-ID: <01bb929e.af476380$94c8b7c7@#knickerb> References: <01bb90a1.db1a7820$79c8b7c7@#knickerb> <4vkebj$oh9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <01bb91de.50653d80$aac8b7c7@#knickerb> <4vokq8$qsh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: col-oh4-20.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Aug 25 8:54:30 AM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 > : I have tried the 6.0 Beta version, however I don't think the ANSWER > : command applies in my situation anyway. The VMS machine is the one doing > : the dialback and it is doing so using software other than Kermit. Once > : connected to the VMS machine the user goes through the standard VMS login > : and is given the DCL command prompt. The user then runs C-Kermit in > : server mode to transfer files. When C-Kermit exits, instead of returning > : to the command prompt, the dialup connection is abruptly disconnected. > : This only occurs when the user has logged in using dialback and my > : suspicion is that it is because the connection was originated by VMS > : rather than the user. > > "When C-Kermit exits" is referring to the C-Kermit running on the VMS > machine? How is C-Kermit being told to use the port? My guess is that you > are telling it to open the port with SET LINE so C-Kermit thinks it has > exclusive use of it. > > Is this correct? Yes, I am referring to the C-Kermit on the VMS machine. I am not explicitly telling Kermit to open the port. It is using the default port "TT". The sequence of events in a session initiated via dialback looks something like this: $ run wermit C-Kemit> server .... C-Kermit> exit NO CARRIER I get the C-Kermit prompt back on the VMS machine after exiting server mode. The disconnect happens when the "exit" command is executed. A session initiated without dialback looks like this: $ run wermit C-Kermit> server .... C-Kermit> exit $ If you think it would be helpful, I can arrange for you to try this yourself. We can discuss those details via e-mail. Kevin From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 25 18:14:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24890 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 18:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA04919 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 18:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!metro.atlanta.com!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!cc.usu.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sorry: I had to try it! Message-ID: <3220AC51.4503@you.probably.already.know> From: Mitch Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:41:05 -0600 Nntp-Posting-Host: asy31.xy1.usu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5aGold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 -- I am really sorry about my SPAM. I didn't realize how wrong it was. Other's articles seemed convincing and legal, but I guess not. Please disregard posting: "I had to try it!" (delete it if your a system administrator). My mistake. From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 25 22:48:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA21792 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 22:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA09231 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 22:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!news1.erols.com!news From: "Richard W. Austin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem Kermit'ing a file from Unix to VAX/VMS Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 21:31:38 -0500 Organization: Bell Atlantic Lines: 20 Message-ID: <32210C8A.4C50@bell-atl.com> Reply-To: richard.w.austin@bell-atl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: col-as5s37.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6Gold (Win95; I) I am having trouble sending a file from Sun Solaris to a VAX. If I do it by hand, it works fine. If I do it in an "expect" script I wrote it locks up when trying to escape back to my local terminal prior to doing a send. Here's the deal. 1) the expect script logs in to the VAX fine except it does not understand the terminal type. So I get a lot of garbage thrown back to my screen. I get around this by just sending a bunch of carriage returns. 2) then I have Kermit start up and I do a "set escape 005". 3) then I do a "receive " and send a \005c to escape back to the local terminal. This is where it hangs. o Could it be that since it does not know the terminal type that it just locks up? o Or is it something else so obvious that I should be embarrased :-> Thanks in advance for any and all help/suggestions/comments/... Rick richard.w.austin@bell-atl.com, raustin@erols.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 26 11:26:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17060 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16006 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sun Solaris to DEC VAX transfer problems Message-ID: <1996Aug26.104058.2454@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 26 Aug 96 10:40:58 -0400 References: <321FBC8B.751B@bell-atl.com> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 42 In article <321FBC8B.751B@bell-atl.com>, "Richard W. Austin" writes: > I have got an "expect" script that I am using to send a file from my > local Sun Solaris machine to a DEC VAX. The expect script is wrapped > inside a shell script that will redial the connection up to three times > if it could not connect previously. > > The expect script logs into the VAX fine, but then the problems begin. > Once connected to the VAX, the expect script starts receiving garbage > from the remote end (I'm guessing that the VAX is probing to find out > the local terminal type). I get around this by sending a few > carriage-returns and waiting for the "$" prompt. > > I then start Kermit and set the escape sequence to "set escape 005". I > then do a "receive " and then try to escape back to the local > session to "send" the file. I can never escape back to do the "send", > which is my problem. I send the escape in expect as: > > send "\005c" > > However it just doesn't seem to cut it. This exact script works > properly when I send data to another Unix machine (HP) and to the IBM > mainframe. > > Any clues, comments, and/or suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Rick > richard.w.austin@bell-atl.com, raustin@erols.com -- is a terminal server involved on the vax? sometimes you can set them to "rotor" between sessions by a special character, and if you use that character during your upload, it will very nicely garble you up. feel free to email me, altho these guys here are more expert with Kermit.. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@JADE.VCU.EDU NOTICE: Adding me to / > || Neurosurgery, | a commercial mailing list is prohibited. /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | License will be $100.00, agreed to by /________________> Richmond, Va | adding me. THIS WILL BE ENFORCED!!! From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 26 11:42:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20777 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16272 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit closing port Date: 26 Aug 1996 15:42:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4vsgko$bi0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb90a1.db1a7820$79c8b7c7@#knickerb> <4vkebj$oh9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <01bb91de.50653d80$aac8b7c7@#knickerb> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb91de.50653d80$aac8b7c7@#knickerb>, Kevin Knickerbocker wrote: : > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote in : > Get new new 6.0 Beta version and write a script program for it that : > places the call, hangs up, and then issues an ANSWER command to wait : > for the callback.... : > : I have tried the 6.0 Beta version, however I don't think the ANSWER : command applies in my situation anyway. The VMS machine is the one doing : the dialback and it is doing so using software other than Kermit. Once : connected to the VMS machine the user goes through the standard VMS login : and is given the DCL command prompt. The user then runs C-Kermit in : server mode to transfer files. When C-Kermit exits, instead of returning : to the command prompt, the dialup connection is abruptly disconnected. : This only occurs when the user has logged in using dialback and my : suspicion is that it is because the connection was originated by VMS : rather than the user. : So the user calls up VMS, using some unspecified software. VMS dials the user back, using some other unspecified software. The user's software answers the call, and then the user can log in. The user runs C-Kermit on VMS and puts it in server mode and transfers some files. When C-Kermit exits, the connection is hung up. So how did the user get C-Kermit to exit? Did they send a BYE command? If so, then that's what it does. If not, nothing should have happened -- when you run C-Kermit in remote mode, transfer files, and then exit, it does not drop your connection. If it is your contention that it does, then I'll need to see a debug log demonstrating what happened. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 26 11:52:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21924 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16387 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sun Solaris to DEC VAX transfer problems Date: 26 Aug 1996 15:51:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <4vsh6f$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <321FBC8B.751B@bell-atl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <321FBC8B.751B@bell-atl.com>, Richard W. Austin wrote: : I have got an "expect" script that I am using to send a file from my : local Sun Solaris machine to a DEC VAX. The expect script is wrapped : inside a shell script that will redial the connection up to three times : if it could not connect previously. : : The expect script logs into the VAX fine, but then the problems begin. : Once connected to the VAX, the expect script starts receiving garbage : from the remote end (I'm guessing that the VAX is probing to find out : the local terminal type). I get around this by sending a few : carriage-returns and waiting for the "$" prompt. : : I then start Kermit and set the escape sequence to "set escape 005". I : then do a "receive " and then try to escape back to the local : session to "send" the file. I can never escape back to do the "send", : which is my problem. I send the escape in expect as: : : send "\005c" : : However it just doesn't seem to cut it. This exact script works : properly when I send data to another Unix machine (HP) and to the IBM : mainframe. : C-Kermit comes with a manual that answers your question. Please read the chapters (three of them) on script programming. You don't need a shell script, you don't need an expect script. C-Kermit does it all very simply in an integrated, straightforward way. It even comes with scripts to do exactly what you want -- i.e. dial up and log in to a VMS system. Just use them. By the way, version 6.0 of C-Kermit, which is in Beta testing, redials automatically, as many times as you want. You don't even NEED a script, it just does it. See our Web page about where to get manuals, current or Beta versions of the software, etc: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 26 11:54:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22110 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16419 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news.dfn.de!news.ruhr-uni-bochum.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!rhein!phoenix.rhein.de!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Mitch Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3220AC51.4503@you.probably.already.know> Control: cancel <3220AC51.4503@you.probably.already.know> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:41:05 -0600 Organization: Private Internet Site, St. Augustin Lines: 1 Message-ID: Reply-To: simons@petium.rhein.de NNTP-Posting-Host: petium.rhein.de X-Cancelled-By: simons@peti.rhein.de Spam cancelled by Peter Simons . From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 26 12:32:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28459 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA17156 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 12:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.decus.org!eisner!vickers From: vickers@eisner.decus.org (don Vickers) Subject: K-95 window disappears if active on a Windows restart X-Nntp-Posting-User: VICKERS Lines: 17 Organization: DECUServe Message-ID: <1996Aug26.121035.1@eisner> X-Trace: 841075866/29622 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: eisner.decus.org Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:10:35 GMT I am having a minor problem with the window behavior of the K-95 Dialer window (1.1.7). When I start Kermit-95 there is no visible window on the screen and the only way I can get the K-95 Dialer is to use the second mouse button on the button in the task bar and select Maximize. If I then select the un Maximize (or whatever Maximize button is called while the window is Maximized), the window once again disappears. This 'feature' seemed to occur when I installed a piece of software that did a Windows restart while I had K-95 active. I seem to recall that there is some way to restore the default window settings in a case like this one. I have looked through the windows help and a few FAQ files to no avail. I know the problem is probably not specific to Kermit-95 but thought this might be the best place to ask first. Thanks, don From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 26 13:11:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06311 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA17747 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 13:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 as terminal for VAX/VMS Message-ID: <1996Aug26.084706.84207@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Aug 96 08:47:06 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 In article , evelyn@NESSIE.CC.WWU.EDU writes: > I'm having a problem with MSKermit 3.14 that I don't have with > MSKermit 3.13. It is being run under Windows 3.11 to connect to > VAX/VMS and emulating either a VT220 or VT320 over an ethernet line. > When I do something on the VAX which causes a many-paged listing to > screen, such as the listing of a big directory or a thousand variables > from an SPSS file, it starts pausing after the first few pages. Then it > will do approximately one additional page, pause again, and repeat the cycle. > After a while it may freeze completely and disconnect. > I've tested it using the same .ini files and changing only the kermit.exe, > but also using the MSKERMIT.INI file that came with 3.14 and a MSCUSTOM.INI > file that I thought would incorporate our local modifications. > I've read the .bwr file but nothing looks obvious and will be glad to > read "Using MS-DOS KERMIT", but don't know what to look for. ------------- My guess is you may have turned on XON/XOFF flow control. TCP/IP links should have SET FLOW NONE stated because TCP itself provides proper flow control. Alternatively, your machine may have memory management difficulties. The screen rollback buffer lives in expanded (not extended) memory or conventional 640K memory, and the expanded memory page frame buffer must be located in a safe place by you. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 26 18:49:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24958 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA23326 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!netnews.cc.wwu.edu!NESSIE.CC.WWU.EDU!evelyn From: evelyn@NESSIE.CC.WWU.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 as terminal for VAX/VMS Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:32:17 PST Organization: Western Washington University Lines: 43 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: nessie.cc.wwu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1996Aug26.084706.84207@cc.usu.edu> On 26 Aug 1996, Joe Doupnik wrote: > In article , evelyn@NESSIE.CC.WWU.EDU writes: > > I'm having a problem with MSKermit 3.14 that I don't have with > > MSKermit 3.13. It is being run under Windows 3.11 to connect to > > VAX/VMS and emulating either a VT220 or VT320 over an ethernet line. > > When I do something on the VAX which causes a many-paged listing to > > screen ... it starts pausing after the first few pages. Then it > > will do approximately one additional page, pause again, and repeat the > > cycle. After a while it may freeze completely and disconnect. > ------------- > My guess is you may have turned on XON/XOFF flow control. TCP/IP > links should have SET FLOW NONE stated because TCP itself provides proper > flow control. SHOW COMMUNICATIONS indicates that flow control is off (and a check of .ini files fails to turn up anything turning it on). > Alternatively, your machine may have memory management difficulties. > The screen rollback buffer lives in expanded (not extended) memory or > conventional 640K memory, and the expanded memory page frame buffer must > be located in a safe place by you. I'm running on a 486. Someone else on our staff says that he's not aware of the expanded memory page frame buffer applying to this machine. If it does, how do we look at its setup. I've tried adding SET KERMIT=ROLLBACK 2 to my autoexec.bat, in case that would reduce buffer needs. It hasn't helped. Evelyn |Evelyn Albrecht Ph: (360) 650-3239 | |Academic Computing Services Internet: evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu | |Western Washington Univ. | |Bellingham, WA 98225-9094 | From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 26 22:51:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16039 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA27819 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 as terminal for VAX/VMS Message-ID: <1996Aug26.203049.84232@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Aug 96 20:30:49 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 In article , evelyn@NESSIE.CC.WWU.EDU writes: > On 26 Aug 1996, Joe Doupnik wrote: > >> In article , evelyn@NESSIE.CC.WWU.EDU writes: >> > I'm having a problem with MSKermit 3.14 that I don't have with >> > MSKermit 3.13. It is being run under Windows 3.11 to connect to >> > VAX/VMS and emulating either a VT220 or VT320 over an ethernet line. >> > When I do something on the VAX which causes a many-paged listing to >> > screen ... it starts pausing after the first few pages. Then it >> > will do approximately one additional page, pause again, and repeat the >> > cycle. After a while it may freeze completely and disconnect. > >> ------------- >> My guess is you may have turned on XON/XOFF flow control. TCP/IP >> links should have SET FLOW NONE stated because TCP itself provides proper >> flow control. > > SHOW COMMUNICATIONS indicates that flow control is off (and a check of > .ini files fails to turn up anything turning it on). > >> Alternatively, your machine may have memory management difficulties. >> The screen rollback buffer lives in expanded (not extended) memory or >> conventional 640K memory, and the expanded memory page frame buffer must >> be located in a safe place by you. > > I'm running on a 486. Someone else on our staff says that he's not aware > of the expanded memory page frame buffer applying to this machine. If it > does, how do we look at its setup. > > > I've tried adding SET KERMIT=ROLLBACK 2 to my autoexec.bat, in case that > would reduce buffer needs. It hasn't helped. ------------ Memory managment is in the DOS manual. Microsoft's MSD program is a quick (and light weight) way to see the basics. Your lan may still have problems. If packets are dropped under load then there will be timeouts, longer as the load grows. I can't see into your site from here (the monitor is in the way, drats) but your lan managers can. If your VAX is reached by a LAT connection from your lan then outages can be more than common. To do a quick check run Kermit to Kermit file transfers both ways and see if there are noticable pauses and retries. If there are then check your PC for health and give the manager folks a buzz for hints on the network. Here's one hint: avoid the "parallel tasking" style Ethernet boards. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 27 00:15:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23098 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 00:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA29815 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 00:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Kevin Knickerbocker" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit closing port Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:49:05 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 43 Message-ID: <01bb93c4.73acd400$52c8b7c7@#knickerb> References: <01bb90a1.db1a7820$79c8b7c7@#knickerb> <4vkebj$oh9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <01bb91de.50653d80$aac8b7c7@#knickerb> <4vsgko$bi0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: col-oh2-18.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Aug 26 9:57:12 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 > So the user calls up VMS, using some unspecified software. VMS dials the > user back, using some other unspecified software. The user's software > answers the call, and then the user can log in. The user runs C-Kermit on > VMS and puts it in server mode and transfers some files. When C-Kermit > exits, the connection is hung up. So how did the user get C-Kermit to exit? > Did they send a BYE command? If so, then that's what it does. If not, > nothing should have happened -- when you run C-Kermit in remote mode, > transfer files, and then exit, it does not drop your connection. If it is > your contention that it does, then I'll need to see a debug log > demonstrating what happened. The user is calling VMS using Kermit95 1.1.7. VMS is dialing the user back using RAXCO DIALBACK. The user is exiting C-Kermit by sending the FINISH command, returning to terminal mode, and entering the EXIT command at the C-Kermit prompt. The rest of your description is correct. I ran through this process several times with the debug log turned on. This is what I found. Using dialback: ttclos LAT disconnect, status=1 ttclos LAT disconnect, iosb=1 Direct call: ttclos LAT disconnect, status=244 ttclos LAT disconnect, iosb=0 I am guessing that the error status on the direct call LAT disconnect is due to another channel being connected to the device. That channel being the SYS$OUTPUT, SYS$INPUT, etc. of the users process. I don't think you would want to disconnect the LTAxxx device from the terminal server port while it is still being used. I will be glad to give you the complete debug logs but they are somewhat large. What is the best way to get them to you? Kevin From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 27 01:27:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA01155 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA00743 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!usc!news.cerf.net!hacgate2.hac.com!news.delcoelect.com!not-for-mail From: c23st@eng.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 delays at 28.8. Date: 20 Aug 1996 04:19:19 GMT Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 16 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4vbec7$1ab@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> References: <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> <4v2kkb$m5o@news.manassas.ibm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kocrsw06.delcoelect.com Randy D Anderson (zoso@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com) wrote: : Is your ISP by any chance using US Robotics 28.8/33.6 Sportster modems? : There is a known bug which causes this very symptom; I have seen it : numerous times, and it has been discussed to death on comp.dcom.modems. : I have also seen it on a Gateways modem which was apparently a : remarketed US Robotics Sportster. That's what is beginning to look like... I wonder about their brains tho, as only the Sportster is alleged to have the bug, and if they're running an ISP service with Sportsters... Spiros -- Spiros Triantafyllopoulos Kokomo, IN 46902 (317) 451-0815 (8-322) Corporate Software Technology Email: c23st@eng.delcoelect.com Delco Electronics Corporation URL: http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~strianta/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 27 10:38:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13982 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA29779 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit closing port Date: 27 Aug 1996 14:38:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4vv19b$s8a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb90a1.db1a7820$79c8b7c7@#knickerb> <01bb91de.50653d80$aac8b7c7@#knickerb> <4vsgko$bi0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <01bb93c4.73acd400$52c8b7c7@#knickerb> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb93c4.73acd400$52c8b7c7@#knickerb>, Kevin Knickerbocker wrote: : The user is calling VMS using Kermit95 1.1.7. VMS is dialing the user : back using RAXCO DIALBACK. The user is exiting C-Kermit by sending the : FINISH command, returning to terminal mode, and entering the EXIT command : at the C-Kermit prompt. The rest of your description is correct. : : I ran through this process several times with the debug log turned on. : This is what I found. : : Using dialback: : : ttclos LAT disconnect, status=1 : ttclos LAT disconnect, iosb=1 : That's strange -- status=1 means "normal" : Direct call: : : ttclos LAT disconnect, status=244 : ttclos LAT disconnect, iosb=0 : 244 means "Illegal I/O function code." Hmm... You don't have them switched, do you? : I am guessing that the error status on the direct call LAT disconnect is : due to another channel being connected to the device. That channel being : the SYS$OUTPUT, SYS$INPUT, etc. of the users process. I don't think you : would want to disconnect the LTAxxx device from the terminal server port : while it is still being used. : No, you wouldn't :-) : I will be glad to give you the complete debug logs but they are somewhat : large. What is the best way to get them to you? : Email to kermit@columbia.edu. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 27 10:59:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16601 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA00067 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!melba.bby.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.melbpc.org.au!news From: Stephen Nethercote Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.servers,aus.computers,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.comm Subject: Kermit Mailbox Application Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 00:32:54 -0700 Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3223F626.27FE@melbpc.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-67.melbpc.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:151282 comp.dcom.servers:4668 aus.computers:6443 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5830 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.comm:21791 I am looking for constructive comments on a mailbox application being developed for commercial use. I am critiquing this application which is currently being developed. I am not its designer. The objective is to be able to exchange files with other companies with which my employer has a commercial relationship. The Upload/download of files will be a regular formal arrangement between the companies. There is no random or unsolicited access. IE there will always be a formal arrangement between my employer and the other companies. Security is a major issue. A high level of security against access to the rest of the computing environment is mandatory. The primary design is a Kermit Server. The comms set up is a Rotary connected to an X25 PAD and hence to the host computer. The speed is limited to 9600 bps. I am told that this is because of the X25 PAD and rotary. The character format is 8 bits, Even Parity, 1 stop bit. There is no terminal emulation, any error, no matter how small results in the connection being dropped. The users will use commercial off-the-shelf packages. Most users will connect via PC or mid-range computer. I was under the impression that Kermit, and especially Kermit Server, is obsolete and the rest does not particularly impress me. But I need to argue based on facts & data and this I do not have. Can you help. (Email replies preferred.) -- ---- Oak Tree: A nut that held its ground ---- nethercs@melbpc.org.au ============================================== From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 27 14:10:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23267 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA03520 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!netnews.cc.wwu.edu!NESSIE.CC.WWU.EDU!evelyn From: evelyn@NESSIE.CC.WWU.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 as terminal for VAX/VMS Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:48:53 PST Organization: Western Washington University Lines: 34 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: nessie.cc.wwu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1996Aug26.203049.84232@cc.usu.edu> On 26 Aug 1996, Joe Doupnik wrote: > >> evelyn@NESSIE.CC.WWU.EDU writes: > >> > I'm having a problem with MSKermit 3.14 that I don't have with > >> > MSKermit 3.13. It is being run under Windows 3.11 to connect to > >> > VAX/VMS and emulating either a VT220 or VT320 over an ethernet line. > >> > When I do something on the VAX which causes a many-paged listing to > >> > screen ... it starts pausing after the first few pages. Then it > >> > will do approximately one additional page, pause again, and repeat the > >> > cycle. After a while it may freeze completely and disconnect. > > > Your lan may still have problems. If packets are dropped under load > then there will be timeouts, longer as the load grows. I can't see into your > site from here (the monitor is in the way, drats) but your lan managers can. > If your VAX is reached by a LAT connection from your lan then outages can > be more than common. To do a quick check run Kermit to Kermit file transfers > both ways and see if there are noticable pauses and retries. I'll check into the lan issue, however, the problem's not with transfering files, but with looking at screen output. I had SPSS list the variables to a file, and transfered it just fine. It's when I ask it to put the output on the screen from the VAX side that the freezes happen. Thanks for exploring it with me. Evelyn |Evelyn Albrecht Ph: (360) 650-3239 | |Academic Computing Services Internet: evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu | |Western Washington Univ. | |Bellingham, WA 98225-9094 | From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 27 14:27:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25474 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA03762 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!news.intr.net!news From: Barry Goldberg Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for AOS Batch mode Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:23:14 +0000 Organization: Internet Interstate Lines: 27 Message-ID: <322304C4.1A1A@uhi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp51.uhi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) I have been trying for 6 months to issue my c-kermit commands in a batch. No matter what the commands are, my log showed that it just won't go. For instance, I issue the command: KERMIT -y test.cmd. The test.cmd file contains only: set background on and exit. When I issue this command it returns with a command prompt as I would expect. When I start it as a batch with the QB KERMIT -y test.cmd The log says: sysinit: gechr 0:0104 Illegal file type *warning* Program exit'ed with a status of 01 I don't know what it is trying to tell me. If any one knows I would appreciate your help. My e-mail is david@uhi.com Thank you David From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 27 15:10:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08961 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA04623 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.aos Subject: Re: Kermit for AOS Batch mode Date: 27 Aug 1996 19:09:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4vvh5j$5kd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <322304C4.1A1A@uhi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5833 comp.os.aos:806 In article <322304C4.1A1A@uhi.com>, Barry Goldberg wrote: : I have been trying for 6 months to issue my c-kermit commands in a : batch. No matter what the commands are, my log showed that it just : won't go. For instance, I issue the command: : KERMIT -y test.cmd. : : The test.cmd file contains only: set background on and exit. When I : issue this command it returns with a command prompt as I would : expect. : When I start it as a batch with the : QB KERMIT -y test.cmd : : The log says: : : sysinit: gechr 0:0104 Illegal file type : *warning* : Program exit'ed with a status of 01 : : I don't know what it is trying to tell me. : Evidently it doesn't know it is running in the batch and is trying to open the controlling terminal for interactive use, but there is no controlling terminal. I'm not an AOS/VS programmer by any stretch of the imagination. The AOS/VS support was added to C-Kermit by Data General itself in 1992, but since then the person who did the work has left DG, and DG has lost interest in AOS/VS. I'll take a look and see if there is any way I can come up with a workaround that will let you inform C-Kermit that it is running in batch mode and therefore should skip all manipulations of the controlling terminal. If any AOS/VS programmers want to help out by finding a better solution, they are more than welcome! The current source code (for C-Kermit 6.0 Beta) is at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/text/ Thanks for the report. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 27 17:15:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09228 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA06750 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 5 Available Date: 27 Aug 1996 21:15:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4vvohg$8kl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu This one corrects a problem with array declarations and adds the following new commands: NOPUSH (invisible) Disables shell access via RUN, PUSH, etc. Cannot be undone except by restarting the program. For use in restricted environments. SET TERMINAL ESCAPE-CHARACTER { ENABLED, DISABLED } Tells MS-DOS Kermit whether to treat the CONNECT-mode escape character (normally Ctrl-]) as an escape character (ENABLED), or simply as an ordinary character to be transmitted when you type it (DISABLED). When DISABLED, you can still use Alt-key combinations to escape back, etc. TCP keepalive probes have been added for "listen" connections. The session times out and hangs up after about 100 seconds of no response to a series of five probles. Thanks, as always, to Professor Joe Doupnik of Utah State University for keeping MS-DOS Kermit alive and growing with the times, while still fitting into its remarkably small disk and memory footprint. The new beta is in the regular place: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip Please send test reports via email to kermit@columia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 28 01:17:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA23034 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA15501 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news1.digital.com!pa.dec.com!mugwmp.pa.dec.com!not-for-mail From: rose@mugwmp.pa.dec.com (Stephen Rose) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VT420, FreeBSD, and Ckermit Date: 28 Aug 1996 05:13:07 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Palo Alto, CA, USA Lines: 8 Message-ID: <500kh3$vbg@usenet.pa.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mugwmp.pa.dec.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 960807] I'm trying to use a Digital VT420 terminal on a serial port with FreeBSD 2.1. Since this terminal only uses xon/xoff flow control, I have my port set up that way. Everything works fine until I try to use kermit. Apparently, kermit turns off xon/xoff flow control. Is there any way to get kermit to leave xon/xoff flow control to the terminal? The modem is set up to use rts/cts flow control and seems to work fine that way from other login sources. I even tried the beta version of kermit to see if that would help. It didn't seem to. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 28 03:42:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA05334 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 03:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA18260 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 03:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.uoregon.edu!xmission!news From: ekololli@xmission.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How can I use Kermit and PPP?? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 05:45:52 GMT Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 25 Message-ID: <500mh8$279@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slc45.modem.xmission.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hi Everyone; I am evaluating Kermit and trying to make it a terminal emulation standard at our company. We have lot of users who have PCs and modems at home and would want to connect to our VAX mainframe at the headquarters. We also have a remote access server from 3COM by the name of AccessBuilder 4000 for Ethernet. This is the question: How can make PC users use Kermit dialing in from home using Kermit? We would like to utilize AccessBuilder for dialin purposes. Does Novell SLIP_PPP driver work with this? where does ODIPKT and WINPKT fit into this when dialing from home? Sorry if this seems to be a basic question, but I have not come to a solution on this problem yet. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you, Abraham Kololli Utah Transit Authority ekololli@xmission.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 28 07:52:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06056 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 07:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA11383 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 07:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!newton.uncg.edu!relay.ga.unc.edu!concert!ais!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows versions of Kermit? Message-ID: <1996Aug23.105032.8829@ais> Date: 23 Aug 96 10:50:32 EST References: <321BF251.6B3@WolfeNet.Com> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 27 In article <321BF251.6B3@WolfeNet.Com>, Baus writes: > Were can I get information on Windows version of Kermit. I have a DOS > app that uses 3.14 and I would like to turn it into a Windows app. Is > there a Win 3.11 version of Kermit? A W95 version? If so is there a > document that compares features between 3.14 and the Windows version? There is a Windows 95 version of Kermit that has most of the features of the DOS version (except for graphics, which is supposed to be in the works for the next version), plus some extras in the file transfer area. It's a console application, which means that not all of the pretty GUI features are available (this is also supposed to be in the works for the next version). One major advantage of the Windows 95 version of Kermit is that it supports Winsock, which means that you can connect via TCP/IP without disabling Windows support for TCP/IP which you have to do with Kermit 3.14. It's not free, however; you must buy a copy from Columbia, though the cost is very reasonable for this type of product -- cheaper than any of the "commercial" products for a product that is in some respects better than most of the "commercial" offerings. A Kermit for Windows 3.11 does exist, and its text-mode terminal emulation is reasonably decent, but its file transfer capabilities are minimal and it has no support for graphics. (For example, the file transfer protocol doesn't even support long packets). I don't believe that it's being actively supported anywhere. Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 28 10:55:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06964 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA14401 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!solace!mn6.swip.net!mn5.swip.net!news From: Lars Stavholm Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "divide overflow" in MS Kermit 3.13? Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:44:14 +0200 Organization: PUH InfoTek Lines: 9 Message-ID: <32244D2E.31E1@mailbox.swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup100-6-3.swipnet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-User: s-3900 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) CC: Ulrik Sandberg I get the error message "divide overflow" when in a MS Windows 3.11 window started with/through kermit.pif. This occures sometimes in a couple of minutes, sometimes in an hour, when repeatedly transfering files to another PC running the same kermit version in server mode. Anybody? -- Lars Stavholm PUH InfoTek stava@puh.se +46 (0)706 37 37 40 From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 28 12:33:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22793 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA16034 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news.microsoft.com!news From: Eric Hanchrow Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS kermit: keyboard locks up Date: 28 Aug 1996 09:04:33 -0700 Organization: Microsoft Corporation Lines: 35 Sender: erich@ERICH4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.55.90.44 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.33 I have a problem using Kermit 3.11, Patch level 0 via DOS while connected to my Unix Internet server. I have a 486 PC running MS- Dos 6.22 with an Award BIOS, and a US Robotics. Sportster 14.4kb modem. After I log on to my Unix machine, after a while -- sometimes a few seconds, sometimes many minutes -- my keyboard locks up. That is, no key I strike appears to be transmitted to the remote server. The only effective keyboard action I have been able to take is to "Alt-X" back to Kermit's command level and "hangup/log off". This is different from the server being heavily loaded and taking a long time to acknowledge key strokes -- I have tried waiting up to 10 minutes to no avail. As an experiment, I tried moving my PC to my daughter's home to log on to my internet provider via her telephone line. Logging on using her phone line and my computer, my keyboard still locks up. Yet when she uses this line, with her computer, to access a different Internet provider, her keyboard never locks up. She runs the same version of Kermit that I do, but her modem runs at 2400 baud. Another experiment: Back at my house, instead of Kermit, I used the "terminal" program that comes with Windows 3.1. Using "terminal", my keyboard has NOT locked up even after about 2 hours. I have used Kermit 3.11 for several years and ONLY IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS has the keyboard locked up. My problem is, I LIKE KERMIT and would like to solve this problem and return to using Kermit via Dos. Anybody have any ideas?? Please respond to Jess@teleport.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 28 12:33:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22860 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA16038 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT420, FreeBSD, and Ckermit Date: 28 Aug 1996 16:33:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <501sce$jcc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <500kh3$vbg@usenet.pa.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <500kh3$vbg@usenet.pa.dec.com>, Stephen Rose wrote: : I'm trying to use a Digital VT420 terminal on a serial port with FreeBSD : 2.1. Since this terminal only uses xon/xoff flow control, I have my port : set up that way. Everything works fine until I try to use kermit. : Apparently, kermit turns off xon/xoff flow control. Is there any way : to get kermit to leave xon/xoff flow control to the terminal? The modem : is set up to use rts/cts flow control and seems to work fine that way : from other login sources. I even tried the beta version of kermit to see : if that would help. It didn't seem to. Thanks. : C-Kermit should leave the flow setting on your UNIX job's controlling terminal alone. If it doesn't, that's a bug. I'll look into it. Thanks for the report. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 28 16:11:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27729 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA20101 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!ftpbox.mot.com!mothost.mot.com!news-in.cig.mot.com!tapir!broezell From: broezell@tapir.cig.mot.com (Ken V. Broezell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: INPUT (infinite wait) Date: 27 Aug 1996 15:45:28 GMT Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4vv56o$n8@trotsky.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tapir.cig.mot.com Keywords: scripts input When using the INPUT command in scripts is there a way to tell it to wait an infinite amount of time or must you specify the number of seconds. I have a situation where in some cases the INPUT will be a number of seconds and then the same INPUT while dialed into another site may take several minutes. Should I just use some large number? Glancing through Using C-Kermit I did not see this mentioned. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 28 16:34:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02755 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA20477 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: INPUT (infinite wait) Date: 28 Aug 1996 20:34:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <502afs$or7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4vv56o$n8@trotsky.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: scripts input In article <4vv56o$n8@trotsky.cig.mot.com>, Ken V. Broezell wrote: : When using the INPUT command in scripts is there a way to tell it : to wait an infinite amount of time or must you specify the number : of seconds. : Yes -- just use a big number, like 9999 (= about 3 hours). In most implementations, the number can be much bigger, up to about 2^31 - 1. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 28 16:55:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06481 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA20825 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I use Kermit and PPP?? Message-ID: <1996Aug28.114158.84281@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Aug 96 11:41:58 MDT References: <500mh8$279@news.xmission.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 In article <500mh8$279@news.xmission.com>, ekololli@xmission.com writes: > Hi Everyone; > > I am evaluating Kermit and trying to make it a terminal emulation > standard at our company. We have lot of users who have PCs and modems > at home and would want to connect to our VAX mainframe at the > headquarters. We also have a remote access server from 3COM by the > name of AccessBuilder 4000 for Ethernet. > > This is the question: > > > How can make PC users use Kermit dialing in from home using Kermit? > We would like to utilize AccessBuilder for dialin purposes. Does I haven't the slightest idea of what the AcesssBuilder is like so I can not give hints on dealing with it. > Novell SLIP_PPP driver work with this? where does ODIPKT and WINPKT > fit into this when dialing from home? Why not try it and find out quickly. ODIPKT+WINPKT are for use with Windows, providing a comms pathway for MS-DOS Kermit to an Ethernet ODI driver while running in a DOS box of Windows. PPP is not an Ethernet scheme. WINPKT alone is a Packet Driver to Packet Driver shim handling the nasties of running a Packet Driver application in a Windows DOS box, but for Ethernet and Token Ring. MS-DOS Kermit works fine straight to Novell's SLIP_PPP, by design. MERIT's EtherPPP driver now seems to work ok and works with MS-DOS Kermit. Find a copy in the Crynwr Collection of Packet Drivers, located widely such as kermit.columbia.edu and netlab2.usu.edu. Joe D. > Sorry if this seems to be a basic question, but I have not come to a > solution on this problem yet. Any help will be appreciated. > > Thank you, > Abraham Kololli > Utah Transit Authority > ekololli@xmission.com > From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 28 19:28:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01391 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA23514 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <32248BBD.1CFBAE39@primetime.com> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:11:09 -0400 From: Kurt Seel X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6Gold (X11; I; BSD/OS 2.0 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: Kermit under bsdi leaving processes. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: gatekeeper.primetime.com Lines: 8 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news.paonline.com!news3.paonline.com!gatekeeper.primetime.com I am using kermit (5A 190) under bsdi. I am seeing some kermit processes left over after a user logs out. What conditions might cause this? I am launching kermit from TCL/expect, so they are being attached to pty's. This also has the effect of slowly eating up all my pty devices. BTW I also notice that for each kermit session, there are two kermit processes, I was wondering why? From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 28 19:57:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06362 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA23959 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: Kermit under bsdi leaving processes. Date: 28 Aug 1996 23:57:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <502mcd$9e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32248BBD.1CFBAE39@primetime.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32248BBD.1CFBAE39@primetime.com>, Kurt Seel wrote: : I am using kermit (5A 190) under bsdi. I am seeing some kermit : processes left over after a user logs out. What conditions might cause : this? I am launching kermit from TCL/expect, so they are being attached : to pty's. This also has the effect of slowly eating up all my pty : devices. : : BTW I also notice that for each kermit session, there are two kermit : processes, I was wondering why? : UNIX C-Kermit, when it's in CONNECT mode, runs in two forks. The second, lower is created whenever you enter CONNECT mode, and is terminated when you return from CONNECT mode. If C-Kermit is in CONNECT mode and somehow the upper process disappears, the lower fork might keep going for some time. This does not normally happen. It should only happen if some external force terminates the upper fork explicitly. You might want to look at the 6.0 Beta version, since there have been some improvements in this area: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/whatsnew.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 28 20:33:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12564 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA24639 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "divide overflow" in MS Kermit 3.13? Message-ID: <1996Aug28.175541.84311@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Aug 96 17:55:41 MDT References: <32244D2E.31E1@mailbox.swipnet.se> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 In article <32244D2E.31E1@mailbox.swipnet.se>, Lars Stavholm writes: > I get the error message "divide overflow" when in a MS Windows 3.11 > window started with/through kermit.pif. This occures sometimes in a > couple of minutes, sometimes in an hour, when repeatedly transfering > files to another PC running the same kermit version in server mode. > > Anybody? > -- > Lars Stavholm PUH InfoTek > stava@puh.se +46 (0)706 37 37 40 ---------- That's a tough one. The temptation is to blame it all on Windows and memory management. Have you tried a) repeating this at pure DOS level (not in a DOS box), and b) have you tried using MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 or even v3.15/beta? The one area where v3.13 can produce this situation under Windows is when the 1 millisecond software timer is calibrated and something stomps on the machine during the brief calibration cycle. Matters are much improved here after v3.13. The timer is calibrated each time a communications port is opened for business. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 28 22:39:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27932 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA26931 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: INPUT (infinite wait) Message-ID: <1996Aug28.194722.84314@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Aug 96 19:47:22 MDT References: <4vv56o$n8@trotsky.cig.mot.com> <502afs$or7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 In article <502afs$or7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <4vv56o$n8@trotsky.cig.mot.com>, > Ken V. Broezell wrote: > : When using the INPUT command in scripts is there a way to tell it > : to wait an infinite amount of time or must you specify the number > : of seconds. > : > Yes -- just use a big number, like 9999 (= about 3 hours). In most > implementations, the number can be much bigger, up to about 2^31 - 1. > > - Frank ---------- The MS-DOS Kermit implementation should not see greater than 43200 seconds because that's half a day and the code has to decide between early and late based on HH:MM:SS. There are, of course, 86400 seconds in a regulation day, and it's one of these circular function thingys. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 29 18:36:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12782 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA08567 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!mcsun!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Slow screen-updates with OS/2 Kermit Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:06:02 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 22 Hi all, I'm using OS/2 kermit (5A/191) as a telnet client on an ethernet LAN. I'm running a screen-based application that uses reverse video-blocks to scroll through a list of words. Scrolling the block through the list with up/down arrow-keys feels just a bit too slow as the block keeps lagging behind the arrow-key action. (I don't have this problem with the native Warp Telnet client.) I tried all paramaters I could think of: set priority, set term screen-update, set term output-pacing, nothing helps. The screen-commands generated by the Unix app are allright; just the regular "jump to start of reversed word, set attributes off, rewrite word, jump to start of next word, set reverse, rewrite word". This is sent as one string, without pacing. Although this is not really a problem and you get used to it, I wonder if this is "normal" or if I'm missing something. Any suggestions? -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 48 36 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 43 37 415 From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 29 22:51:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27720 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA13114 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!skypoint.com!not-for-mail From: escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK3.14, Windows, and 3COM ethernet Date: 29 Aug 1996 21:50:40 -0500 Organization: SkyPoint Communications Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <505ku0$sn3@mirage.skypoint.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mirage.skypoint.com After not being able to achieve stable operation with the packet driver and Kermit with DOS, I switched to using the ODI drivers with DOS, which has worked reliably. I decided to try running with windows using the following setup. The first two lines I run from the batch file; I need them to use Kermit from DOS. The next two lines I typed by hand. They seemed to work, but when I connected to the router at the other end of my ethernet cable, it had not received any ethernet packets. It's working under DOS (which is how this message is getting sent). Any suggestions on how the find and fix the problem are welcome. David S. Cargo (escargo@skypoint.com) @echo off REM Netware startup if not exist C:\NWCLIENT\lsl.com goto noNetware if not exist C:\NWCLIENT\ipxodi.com goto noNetware rem if not exist C:\NWCLIENT\vlm.exe goto noNetware C:\NWCLIENT\lsl.com C:\NWCLIENT\3C5X9.com rem C:\NWCLIENT\ODIPKT 0 96 rem C:\NWCLIENT\WINPKT 0x60 rem C:\NWCLIENT\ipxodi.com rem C:\NWCLIENT\vlm.exe rem f:\login rem c: rem goto doneNetware :noNetware rem echo Netware client software missing, Netware not started :doneNetware From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 30 02:48:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA00840 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 02:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA17006 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 02:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!swrinde!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!bt!btnet-feed1!btnet!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Kevin Knickerbocker" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit closing port Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 22:51:29 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01bb961e.621a59e0$6089d9ce@#knickerb> References: <01bb90a1.db1a7820$79c8b7c7@#knickerb> <01bb91de.50653d80$aac8b7c7@#knickerb> <4vsgko$bi0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <01bb93c4.73acd400$52c8b7c7@#knickerb> <4vv19b$s8a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: col-oh8-32.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Aug 29 9:45:38 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 > Email to kermit@columbia.edu. I emailed the debug logs on Tuesday 8/27. Did you receive them? Kevin From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 30 05:43:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA20772 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 05:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA20286 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 05:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: oak@crl.com (Tony Gonzalez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ckermit: too much disk access.. Date: 30 Aug 1996 02:04:42 -0700 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 8 Message-ID: <506ara$4c5@crl.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I usually spin down my hard drive, but everytime I hangup and dial again, even to the same place, my hard drive is accessed. Does anyone know how I might stop this? Is there some kind of information being logged to disk which I can disable? Thanks. -Tony From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 30 11:30:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00257 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA15856 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit closing port Date: 30 Aug 1996 15:29:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5071dg$qn5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb90a1.db1a7820$79c8b7c7@#knickerb> <01bb93c4.73acd400$52c8b7c7@#knickerb> <4vv19b$s8a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <01bb961e.621a59e0$6089d9ce@#knickerb> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb961e.621a59e0$6089d9ce@#knickerb>, Kevin Knickerbocker wrote: : > Email to kermit@columbia.edu. : : I emailed the debug logs on Tuesday 8/27. Did you receive them? : Yes, thank you. They are on my pile of things to do. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 30 11:33:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02702 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA15964 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ckermit: too much disk access.. Date: 30 Aug 1996 15:32:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5071j7$qtd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <506ara$4c5@crl.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <506ara$4c5@crl.crl.com>, Tony Gonzalez wrote: : I usually spin down my hard drive, but everytime I hangup and dial again, : even to the same place, my hard drive is accessed. Does anyone know how : I might stop this? Is there some kind of information being logged to : disk which I can disable? : When you give a DIAL command to C-Kermit, it looks in your dialing directory. If you tell it you don't have a dialing directory, it won't look: set dial directory (i.e. give the "set dial directory" command with no filename). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 30 12:52:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16964 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA17387 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 12:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK3.14, Windows, and 3COM ethernet Message-ID: <1996Aug30.094351.84361@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Aug 96 09:43:51 MDT References: <505ku0$sn3@mirage.skypoint.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 In article <505ku0$sn3@mirage.skypoint.com>, escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) writes: > After not being able to achieve stable operation with the packet driver > and Kermit with DOS, I switched to using the ODI drivers with DOS, > which has worked reliably. I decided to try running with windows using > the following setup. The first two lines I run from the batch file; > I need them to use Kermit from DOS. The next two lines I typed by hand. > They seemed to work, but when I connected to the router at the other end > of my ethernet cable, it had not received any ethernet packets. It's > working under DOS (which is how this message is getting sent). > > Any suggestions on how the find and fix the problem are welcome. > > David S. Cargo (escargo@skypoint.com) > > @echo off > REM Netware startup > if not exist C:\NWCLIENT\lsl.com goto noNetware > if not exist C:\NWCLIENT\ipxodi.com goto noNetware > rem if not exist C:\NWCLIENT\vlm.exe goto noNetware > C:\NWCLIENT\lsl.com > C:\NWCLIENT\3C5X9.com > rem C:\NWCLIENT\ODIPKT 0 96 > rem C:\NWCLIENT\WINPKT 0x60 > rem C:\NWCLIENT\ipxodi.com > rem C:\NWCLIENT\vlm.exe > rem f:\login > rem c: > rem goto doneNetware > :noNetware > rem echo Netware client software missing, Netware not started > :doneNetware ------------ I'm a little confused. The above works fine at DOS level, I infer, but if you then start Windows (version??) it does not, correct? If so then the obvious suggestion is to look for conflicts over the hardware, particularly the IRQ (probably overlaps a serial or parallel port). Don't forget about Plug&Play upsetting the 3Com board. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 30 15:24:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14644 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20181 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 15:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!skypoint.com!not-for-mail From: escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK3.14, Windows, and 3COM ethernet Date: 30 Aug 1996 14:23:29 -0500 Organization: SkyPoint Communications Inc. Lines: 67 Message-ID: <507f3h$4b4@mirage.skypoint.com> References: <505ku0$sn3@mirage.skypoint.com> <1996Aug30.094351.84361@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mirage.skypoint.com In article <1996Aug30.094351.84361@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <505ku0$sn3@mirage.skypoint.com>, > escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) writes: >> After not being able to achieve stable operation with the packet driver >> and Kermit with DOS, I switched to using the ODI drivers with DOS, >> which has worked reliably. I decided to try running with windows using >> the following setup. The first two lines I run from the batch file; >> I need them to use Kermit from DOS. The next two lines I typed by hand. >> They seemed to work, but when I connected to the router at the other end >> of my ethernet cable, it had not received any ethernet packets. It's >> working under DOS (which is how this message is getting sent). >> >> Any suggestions on how the find and fix the problem are welcome. >> >> David S. Cargo (escargo@skypoint.com) >> >> @echo off >> REM Netware startup >> if not exist C:\NWCLIENT\lsl.com goto noNetware >> if not exist C:\NWCLIENT\ipxodi.com goto noNetware >> rem if not exist C:\NWCLIENT\vlm.exe goto noNetware >> C:\NWCLIENT\lsl.com >> C:\NWCLIENT\3C5X9.com >> rem C:\NWCLIENT\ODIPKT 0 96 >> rem C:\NWCLIENT\WINPKT 0x60 >> rem C:\NWCLIENT\ipxodi.com >> rem C:\NWCLIENT\vlm.exe >> rem f:\login >> rem c: >> rem goto doneNetware >> :noNetware >> rem echo Netware client software missing, Netware not started >> :doneNetware >------------ > I'm a little confused. The above works fine at DOS level, I infer, >but if you then start Windows (version??) it does not, correct? If so then >the obvious suggestion is to look for conflicts over the hardware, > particularly >the IRQ (probably overlaps a serial or parallel port). Don't forget about >Plug&Play upsetting the 3Com board. > Joe D. Let me be more clear; I had to run quick to fold some laundry in the middle of the message. I'm running DOS 6.22 or Windows 3.1. There's no Windows 95 and no Plug&Pray involved. I don't think I have any port conflicts. Running lsl and 3com5x9 lets me run Kermit 3.14 from DOS over Ethernet without problem. Reading setup.doc led me to conclude that I should be able to run Kermit 3.14 from Windows if I also ran odipkt and winpkt. So I tried it using this batch file and then running the remarked out lines for odipkt and winpkt by hand, and then starting Windows. According to a Windows inspection program, winpkt was running at software interrupt 0x60, just like it was supposed to. But, when I opened a MS-DOS prompt and ran Kermit, no Ethernet traffic was being generated. (At least according to the router at the other end, which I could reach just fine using DOS.) So, what might I be doing wrong. The setup.doc is less than clear on this point, in terms of complete examples. David S. Cargo From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 31 01:30:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00927 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 01:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA01932 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 01:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS kermit: keyboard locks up Message-ID: <1996Aug30.183726.84389@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Aug 96 18:37:26 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 In article , Eric Hanchrow writes: > I have a problem using Kermit 3.11, Patch level 0 via DOS while > connected to my Unix Internet server. Hmmm, five years old and no patches. The current release is version 3.14, with patches, and version 3.15 is in open beta testing. > I have a 486 PC running MS- Dos 6.22 with an Award BIOS, and a US > Robotics. Sportster 14.4kb modem. > > After I log on to my Unix machine, after a while -- sometimes a few > seconds, sometimes many minutes -- my keyboard locks up. That is, no > key I strike appears to be transmitted to the remote server. The only > effective keyboard action I have been able to take is to "Alt-X" back > to Kermit's command level and "hangup/log off". This is different > from the server being heavily loaded and taking a long time to > acknowledge key strokes -- I have tried waiting up to 10 minutes to no > avail. The current release documentation goes through similar cases. The usual problem is loss of interrupts from your serial port, through hardware misconfiguration or other machine setup foibles. Please check that part of things, and while you are in that area how about picking up the current release. Please see kermit.columbia.edu for the program. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 31 11:17:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25680 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 11:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00514 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 11:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK3.14, Windows, and 3COM ethernet Message-ID: <1996Aug31.083313.84408@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Aug 96 08:33:13 MDT References: <505ku0$sn3@mirage.skypoint.com> <1996Aug30.094351.84361@cc.usu.edu> <507f3h$4b4@mirage.skypoint.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 72 In article <507f3h$4b4@mirage.skypoint.com>, escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) writes: > In article <1996Aug30.094351.84361@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <505ku0$sn3@mirage.skypoint.com>, >> escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) writes: >>> After not being able to achieve stable operation with the packet driver >>> and Kermit with DOS, I switched to using the ODI drivers with DOS, >>> which has worked reliably. I decided to try running with windows using >>> the following setup. The first two lines I run from the batch file; >>> I need them to use Kermit from DOS. The next two lines I typed by hand. >>> They seemed to work, but when I connected to the router at the other end >>> of my ethernet cable, it had not received any ethernet packets. It's >>> working under DOS (which is how this message is getting sent). >>> >>> Any suggestions on how the find and fix the problem are welcome. >>> >>> David S. Cargo (escargo@skypoint.com) >>> >>> @echo off >>> REM Netware startup >>> if not exist C:\NWCLIENT\lsl.com goto noNetware >>> if not exist C:\NWCLIENT\ipxodi.com goto noNetware >>> rem if not exist C:\NWCLIENT\vlm.exe goto noNetware >>> C:\NWCLIENT\lsl.com >>> C:\NWCLIENT\3C5X9.com >>> rem C:\NWCLIENT\ODIPKT 0 96 >>> rem C:\NWCLIENT\WINPKT 0x60 >>> rem C:\NWCLIENT\ipxodi.com >>> rem C:\NWCLIENT\vlm.exe >>> rem f:\login >>> rem c: >>> rem goto doneNetware >>> :noNetware >>> rem echo Netware client software missing, Netware not started >>> :doneNetware >>------------ >> I'm a little confused. The above works fine at DOS level, I infer, >>but if you then start Windows (version??) it does not, correct? If so then >>the obvious suggestion is to look for conflicts over the hardware, >> particularly >>the IRQ (probably overlaps a serial or parallel port). Don't forget about >>Plug&Play upsetting the 3Com board. >> Joe D. > > Let me be more clear; I had to run quick to fold some laundry in the middle > of the message. > > I'm running DOS 6.22 or Windows 3.1. There's no Windows 95 and no > Plug&Pray involved. I don't think I have any port conflicts. > > Running lsl and 3com5x9 lets me run Kermit 3.14 from DOS over Ethernet > without problem. Reading setup.doc led me to conclude that I should > be able to run Kermit 3.14 from Windows if I also ran odipkt and > winpkt. So I tried it using this batch file and then running the > remarked out lines for odipkt and winpkt by hand, and then starting > Windows. > > According to a Windows inspection program, winpkt was running at > software interrupt 0x60, just like it was supposed to. But, when > I opened a MS-DOS prompt and ran Kermit, no Ethernet traffic was > being generated. (At least according to the router at the other end, > which I could reach just fine using DOS.) > > So, what might I be doing wrong. The setup.doc is less than clear > on this point, in terms of complete examples. -------- What you've done is fine, so far as can be judged from afar. My suggestion is there could be a conflict between your Ethernet board and Windows, a non-Kermit item, such as the common IRQ 4/3 situation where Windows thinks they are for the serial ports and takes them over. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 31 16:51:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05247 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA05682 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: oak@crl.com (Tony Gonzalez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ckermit: too much disk access.. Date: 31 Aug 1996 11:54:43 -0700 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 28 Message-ID: <50a1pj$mt7@crl.crl.com> References: <506ara$4c5@crl.crl.com> <5071j7$qtd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I think there's something else going on also because when I disconnect from a call it accesses my hard drive. It may be a unix thing I suppose - I'm using Linux. I just may dump the ckermit executable into a ramdrive just to keep it from trying to get at my hard drive....that's how I ran my terminal program in msdos. Thanks. -Tony Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <506ara$4c5@crl.crl.com>, Tony Gonzalez wrote: : : I usually spin down my hard drive, but everytime I hangup and dial again, : : even to the same place, my hard drive is accessed. Does anyone know how : : I might stop this? Is there some kind of information being logged to : : disk which I can disable? : : : When you give a DIAL command to C-Kermit, it looks in your dialing directory. : If you tell it you don't have a dialing directory, it won't look: : set dial directory : (i.e. give the "set dial directory" command with no filename). : - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 31 17:08:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06779 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA05940 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ckermit: too much disk access.. Date: 31 Aug 1996 21:07:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <50a9ja$k25@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <506ara$4c5@crl.crl.com> <5071j7$qtd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <50a1pj$mt7@crl.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <50a1pj$mt7@crl.crl.com>, Tony Gonzalez wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : In article <506ara$4c5@crl.crl.com>, Tony Gonzalez wrote: : : : I usually spin down my hard drive, but everytime I hangup and dial : : : again, even to the same place, my hard drive is accessed. Does anyone : : : know how I might stop this? Is there some kind of information being : : : logged to disk which I can disable? : : : : : When you give a DIAL command to C-Kermit, it looks in your dialing : : directory. If you tell it you don't have a dialing directory, it won't : : look: : : : : set dial directory : : : : (i.e. give the "set dial directory" command with no filename). : : I think there's something else going on also because when I disconnect : from a call it accesses my hard drive. It may be a unix thing : I suppose - I'm using Linux. : Nothing springs to mind, unless you had a session log open -- but you would have said that, right? So I can only guess that when you end a CONNECT session, and the lower CONNECT fork is killed, that Linux frees some swap space, which requires Linux to touch the disk. (Note: This -- and a great many other nasty things -- could perhaps be avoided if the UNIX C-Kermit CONNECT command were done with threads rather than forks, but threads aren't portable.) : I just may dump the ckermit executable into a ramdrive just to keep : it from trying to get at my hard drive....that's how I ran my terminal : program in msdos. : But that would reduce the amount of main memory available for running applications, and thus *increase* the need for swap space, no? And therefore increase the amount of times the disk is touched. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 1 08:10:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04417 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 08:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA10109 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 08:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!metro.atlanta.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!news.adelaide.on.net!news.webmedia.com.au!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.com.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I use Kermit and PPP?? Date: 30 Aug 1996 18:00:25 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5068r1$bg6@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <1996Aug28.114158.84281@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : MS-DOS Kermit works fine straight to Novell's SLIP_PPP, by design. I have read the MS-Kermit documentation and have Novell's Workstation for DOS and Windows manual, but is there any further detailed information on setting up SLIP_PPP and Kermit for the remote client who only wants to have a decent terminal emulator going through an ISP that offers PPP only and no shell accounts? I have yet to succeed in getting a DOS SLIP_PPP connected through to UnixWare 1.1.2 PPP with PTF 268 installed, probably through a lack of trying. Are there any pointers available? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 2 12:55:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02494 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA26679 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!esiee.fr!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!01-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!Austria.EU.net!mcsun!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!psinntp!psinntp!news.intercon.com!masonmp.dial.intercon.com!masonm From: masonm@intercon.com (Marc Mason) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I use Kermit and PPP?? Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:27:59 GMT Organization: Intercon Systems Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <500mh8$279@news.xmission.com> <1996Aug28.114158.84281@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: masonmp.dial.intercon.com In article <1996Aug28.114158.84281@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >Path: news.intercon.com!netnews.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!tezcat!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd >From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) >Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc >Subject: Re: How can I use Kermit and PPP?? >Message-ID: <1996Aug28.114158.84281@cc.usu.edu> >Date: 28 Aug 96 11:41:58 MDT >References: <500mh8$279@news.xmission.com> >Organization: Utah State University >Lines: 41 >In article <500mh8$279@news.xmission.com>, ekololli@xmission.com writes: >> Hi Everyone; >> >> I am evaluating Kermit and trying to make it a terminal emulation >> standard at our company. We have lot of users who have PCs and modems >> at home and would want to connect to our VAX mainframe at the >> headquarters. We also have a remote access server from 3COM by the >> name of AccessBuilder 4000 for Ethernet. >> >> This is the question: >> >> >> How can make PC users use Kermit dialing in from home using Kermit? >> We would like to utilize AccessBuilder for dialin purposes. Does > I haven't the slightest idea of what the AcesssBuilder is like >so I can not give hints on dealing with it. >> Novell SLIP_PPP driver work with this? where does ODIPKT and WINPKT >> fit into this when dialing from home? > Why not try it and find out quickly. ODIPKT+WINPKT are for use >with Windows, providing a comms pathway for MS-DOS Kermit to an Ethernet >ODI driver while running in a DOS box of Windows. PPP is not an Ethernet >scheme. WINPKT alone is a Packet Driver to Packet Driver shim handling >the nasties of running a Packet Driver application in a Windows DOS box, >but for Ethernet and Token Ring. MS-DOS Kermit works fine straight to >Novell's SLIP_PPP, by design. > MERIT's EtherPPP driver now seems to work ok and works with >MS-DOS Kermit. Find a copy in the Crynwr Collection of Packet Drivers, >located widely such as kermit.columbia.edu and netlab2.usu.edu. > Joe D. > >> Sorry if this seems to be a basic question, but I have not come to a >> solution on this problem yet. Any help will be appreciated. >> >> Thank you, >> Abraham Kololli >> Utah Transit Authority >> ekololli@xmission.com >> Klos' ppp works very well as well. See www.klos.com Marc Mason masonm@intercon.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 3 00:59:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01082 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 00:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA09015 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 00:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.encore.com!tma From: tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) Subject: Re: How can I use Kermit and PPP?? Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 03:25:29 GMT Message-ID: X-Nntp-Posting-Host: edison.encore.com References: <500mh8$279@news.xmission.com> <1996Aug28.114158.84281@cc.usu.edu> Sender: news@encore.com (Usenet News) Lines: 30 masonm@intercon.com (Marc Mason) writes: >In article <1996Aug28.114158.84281@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>Path: news.intercon.com!netnews.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!tezcat!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd >>From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) >>Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc >>Subject: Re: How can I use Kermit and PPP?? >>Message-ID: <1996Aug28.114158.84281@cc.usu.edu> >>Date: 28 Aug 96 11:41:58 MDT >>References: <500mh8$279@news.xmission.com> >>Organization: Utah State University >>Lines: 41 >>In article <500mh8$279@news.xmission.com>, ekololli@xmission.com writes: >>> Hi Everyone; >>> >>> I am evaluating Kermit and trying to make it a terminal emulation >>> standard at our company. We have lot of users who have PCs and modems >>> at home and would want to connect to our VAX mainframe at the >>> headquarters. We also have a remote access server from 3COM by the >>> name of AccessBuilder 4000 for Ethernet. Kermit is great and GNU's screen is also great. Combining the two, they are double great for remote dialing into a unix server from home. However, they can't co-exist as documented somewhere in a kermit's doc. This is the only short-coming that I found to be a little inconvenience. -- Thanh Ma tma@encore.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 3 08:10:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03267 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA05482 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: anonymous-ftp equivalent? Date: 03 Sep 1996 12:02:30 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <1996Aug23.181544.1093@ia-us.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk To: glenn@ia-us.com (Glenn Herteg) In-reply-to: glenn@ia-us.com's message of Fri, 23 Aug 1996 18:15:44 GMT In article <1996Aug23.181544.1093@ia-us.com> glenn@ia-us.com (Glenn Herteg) writes: >We'd like to set up a service over an internal UNIX network which is the >equivalent of anonymous ftp, allowing processes to get and put files within a >particular file tree on a remote machine. The trick is, we don't want any >hassles with "logging in" -- no password prompt should ever appear, since the >file transfers will be completely automated. > >What we have in mind is to set up one or more copies of kermit listening as >servers on particular sockets on the remote machine. Wouldn't rcp be a lot simpler? No need to write anything. No need for extra processes all the time. A lot faster. Easiler to use... -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37... # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | http://wcl-l.bham.ac.uk/~bam/ ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | Finger: bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 3 08:40:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08107 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA06009 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!mcsun!EU.net!news.eunet.cz!vse470.vse.cz!xmedh02 From: xmedh02@drson.vse.cz (Hynek Med) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 bug - unfinished line Date: 3 Sep 1996 12:20:19 GMT Organization: VSE na Zizkove Lines: 11 Message-ID: <50h7q3$vle@vse470.vse.cz> NNTP-Posting-Host: drson.vse.cz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hello, When I don't have a newline at the end of the last line of mskermit.ini, which has "take mscustom.ini", kermit complains it cannot find mscusom.in take-file (i.e. it omits the last character). When the last line ends with a newline, all is OK. I'm afraid it's a bug in the parser. Hynek -- Hynek Med, xmedh02@drson.vse.cz From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 3 09:05:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10797 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA06456 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 09:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I use Kermit and PPP?? Date: 3 Sep 1996 13:04:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <50had2$qbn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <500mh8$279@news.xmission.com> <1996Aug28.114158.84281@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Thanh Ma wrote: : Kermit is great and GNU's screen is also great. Combining the two, they : are double great for remote dialing into a unix server from home. However, : they can't co-exist as documented somewhere in a kermit's doc. This is the : only short-coming that I found to be a little inconvenience. : You can't transfer files through GNU screen because it *changes* the characters that go in and out. For purposes of file transfer, there would need to be a way to temporarily put "screen" into some kind of transparent mode to keep it from changing the Kermit file-transfer packets. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 3 13:17:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07673 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 13:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11619 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 13:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 bug - unfinished line Message-ID: <1996Sep3.104343.84500@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Sep 96 10:43:43 MDT References: <50h7q3$vle@vse470.vse.cz> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 In article <50h7q3$vle@vse470.vse.cz>, xmedh02@drson.vse.cz (Hynek Med) writes: > Hello, > > When I don't have a newline at the end of the last line of mskermit.ini, > which has "take mscustom.ini", kermit complains it cannot find mscusom.in > take-file (i.e. it omits the last character). When the last line ends with a > newline, all is OK. I'm afraid it's a bug in the parser. --------- Could be. Please give MSK v3.15/beta a trial. Beta 6 is now available on kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 3 17:57:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10373 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA16509 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 17:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Slow screen-updates with OS/2 Kermit Date: 3 Sep 1996 21:56:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <50i9im$ba3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Kees Hendrikse wrote: : : Hi all, : : I'm using OS/2 kermit (5A/191) as a telnet client on an ethernet LAN. I'm : running a screen-based application that uses reverse video-blocks to scroll : through a list of words. Scrolling the block through the list with up/down : arrow-keys feels just a bit too slow as the block keeps lagging behind the : arrow-key action. (I don't have this problem with the native Warp Telnet : client.) I tried all paramaters I could think of: set priority, set term : screen-update, set term output-pacing, nothing helps. The screen-commands : generated by the Unix app are allright; just the regular "jump to start : of reversed word, set attributes off, rewrite word, jump to start of next : word, set reverse, rewrite word". This is sent as one string, without pacing. : : Although this is not really a problem and you get used to it, I wonder if : this is "normal" or if I'm missing something. Any suggestions? The only thing you can do is to use the SET TERM SCREEN-UPDATE FAST command with various to adjust the frequence of the screen updates. Using SET TERM SCREEN-UPDATE SMOOTH disables the timer and will perform screen updates whenever OS/2 chooses to schedule the update thread. Faster video drivers will help. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 4 20:45:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03634 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA03440 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!metro.atlanta.com!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!cbgw2.lucent.com!oucsboss!oak.cats.ohiou.edu!rc109092 From: rc109092@oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Richard Allen Coss) Subject: ~w script question X-Nntp-Posting-Host: oak.cats.ohiou.edu (rc109092) Message-ID: Sender: news@boss.cs.ohiou.edu (News Admin) X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Wed Sep 4 14:50:17 1996 Organization: Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:50:18 GMT Lines: 2 -- you win From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 5 12:06:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08497 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA18832 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 6 available Date: 5 Sep 1996 16:06:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <50mtp9$frp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Beta 6 fixes several bugs that were reported in Beta 5: . END/POP was acting like STOP instead of returning one level up. . Consecutive spaces in strings were collapsed to single spaces. . Use of arrays with more than 14 elements resulted in memory corruption. . INPUT was ignoring certain material. Beta 5 is in the regular place: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip Please send reports by email to kermit@columbia.edu. Thanks, as always, to Joe Doupnik for his excellent work. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 5 23:17:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02244 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA07384 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!cbgw1.lucent.com!cbgw2.lucent.com!oucsboss!oak.cats.ohiou.edu!rc109092 From: rc109092@oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Richard Allen Coss) Subject: ~w question X-Nntp-Posting-Host: oak.cats.ohiou.edu (rc109092) Message-ID: Sender: news@boss.cs.ohiou.edu (News Admin) X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Thu Sep 5 12:21:04 1996 Organization: Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:21:05 GMT Lines: 23 > > > Reply to: Richard Allen Coss > > ~W SCRIPT QUESTION > > > Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens > Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:50:18 GMT > Newsgroups: > comp.protocols.kermit.misc > Reply to newsgroup(s) >-- >you win The question was how exactly do I specify how long to wait for a desired string. I've been trying something similar to ~w99< to wait for a "<" prompt but the specified interval of time isn't quite long enough. It seems that C-kermit wont recognize numbers larger than 2 digits. How do I increase the wait or make C-kermit wait indefinitely until the desired string arrives? Richard Coss -- you win From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 5 23:55:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07666 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA07968 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!usenet From: edabajo@pacbell.net (Ed Abajo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: IBM Mainframe file transfer problem using an IBM 3174 AEA Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 03:21:42 GMT Organization: Pacific Bell Internet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <322f965a.1227024@news.pacbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-206-170-67-211.anhm01.pacbell.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 I'm using PC-Kermit 3.14 (latest release) and Kermit-370 CMS 4.3.2 (latest release) and an IBM 3174 AEA attached to an IBM mainframe via Vtam. The logmode is correct (according to the Kermit-370 manual) but I can't get any file transfers going. The SHOW CONTROLLERS subcommand indicates that CONTROLLERS IS NONE instead of AEA. The SERVER subcomand gives the message "bad communication line". The port is defined on the 3174 as a VT52. Is that causing my file transfer problem? If so, what should the 3174 port be configured as? Is that a control unit customization parameter or what? Thank you for any help. Ed From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 6 10:29:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13234 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA05880 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ~w question Date: 6 Sep 1996 13:40:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <50p9jr$1b7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Richard Allen Coss wrote: : The question was how exactly do I specify how long to wait for a desired : string. I've been trying something similar to ~w99< to wait for a "<" : prompt but the specified interval of time isn't quite long enough. It seems : that C-kermit wont recognize numbers larger than 2 digits. How do I increase : the wait or make C-kermit wait indefinitely until the desired string arrives? : Use INPUT instead of SCRIPT. You can give any timeout at all to INPUT. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 6 10:29:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13248 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA05891 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe file transfer problem using an IBM 3174 AEA Date: 6 Sep 1996 13:43:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <50p9qh$1ci@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <322f965a.1227024@news.pacbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <322f965a.1227024@news.pacbell.net>, Ed Abajo wrote: : I'm using PC-Kermit 3.14 (latest release) and Kermit-370 CMS 4.3.2 (latest : release) and an IBM 3174 AEA attached to an IBM mainframe via Vtam. The : logmode is correct (according to the Kermit-370 manual) but I can't get any : file transfers going. The SHOW CONTROLLERS subcommand indicates that : CONTROLLERS IS NONE instead of AEA. The SERVER subcomand gives the message : "bad communication line". The port is defined on the 3174 as a VT52. Is : that causing my file transfer problem? If so, what should the 3174 port be : configured as? Is that a control unit customization parameter or what? : When Kermit-370 does not recognize the controller type, you have to use the SET CONTROLLER command to tell which type of controller it is going through. In this case: SET CONTROLLER AEA - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 6 13:30:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29121 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA09321 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!news.PBI.net!usenet From: "Ed Abajo" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe file transfer problem using an IBM 3174 AEA Date: 6 Sep 1996 17:23:11 GMT Organization: Taco Bell Corp. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bb9c18$16ccf6a0$a744aace@eabajo.tacobell.com> References: <322f965a.1227024@news.pacbell.net> <50p9qh$1ci@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-206-170-68-167.irvn11.pacbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Frank da Cruz wrote in article <50p9qh$1ci@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... > : > When Kermit-370 does not recognize the controller type, you have to use the > SET CONTROLLER command to tell which type of controller it is going through. > In this case: > > SET CONTROLLER AEA > I tried that command and although it allows me to start the SERVER mode, the file transfer still fails. On the PC side, does a bunch of retries and the host side eventually goes into a CP READ. Also, the Kermit User's guide for IBM 370 Kermit says "The only initial CONTROLLER setting that you should not change by hand is NONE, which means that Kermit-370 has recognized a 3174 AEA line that is not configured for file transfer.." That is the setting that I am getting so it must be that the 3174 AEA line is not configured for file transfer. Can anyone help me with that? From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 7 03:04:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA00741 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 03:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA23026 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 03:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!metro.atlanta.com!cpk-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Timothy Krulan Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for SCO Unix 3.2.4.2 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:16:19 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 4 Message-ID: <50pm3e$75g@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mor-nj2-02.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 06 12:13:18 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: NETCOMplete/3.0 Can someone point me in the right direction or a Kermit for our SCO Unix 3.2.4.2 ? Thanks From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 7 10:48:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06534 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA18841 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for SCO Unix 3.2.4.2 Date: 7 Sep 1996 14:48:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <50s1vo$o7v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <50pm3e$75g@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <50pm3e$75g@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, Timothy Krulan wrote: : Can someone point me in the right direction or a Kermit for : our SCO Unix 3.2.4.2 ? : ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz) or, for the 6.0 Beta version: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/cku192.tar.Z (or .gz) Uncompress, untar, "make sco32v4xxx" (where xxx selects one of the variations based on feature selection). See the makefile for details. There are also binaries in: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/ and: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 7 17:43:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28100 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA25265 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 7 available for testing Date: 7 Sep 1996 21:43:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-ID: <50sq97$3qo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 7 is now available for testing. New features: Assign/define/undefine/_assign/_define modified for array name syntax. All permit expressions and variables within the [index] field. Assign, define, and undefine do not permit substitution in the array name of \&; _assign and _define do permit it. Add keyword IF to the list for CHECK. CHECK IF always succeeds, indicating the script programming language is present. Add UNDEFINE variable/macro to undefine an item. This is the same as the DEFINE command with no definition text. Add XECHO to display the without adding CR/LF. Add variable \v(connection) which always returns string "local". Add function \fbasename(filename) which returns the filename without is drive letter and path prefix. Corrections: DEC User Defined Keys returned illegally, could crash program. SET PRINTER to a file which could not be opened crashed the program. LOCAL list of \% variables failed to skip non-\% items in the list. To get it: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file msk315.zip. ZIP file contains the executable, MSK315.EXE, and a brief description of the changes since version 3.14, MSK315.DOC. Report problems via email to kermit@columbia.edu. Thanks to Joe D. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 9 13:27:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22586 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA14754 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Dave McAlister Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: IRQ problem Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 08:26:06 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3234370E.3D38@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 110.san-francisco-2.ca.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win16; I) How do I get Kermit to find a modem set to COM2 and IRQ5 these setting can't be changed as other perps are using all other ports & irqs. There must be a way to change the settings in the mscustom.ini file but I have tried everything I can think of. EExchange@Worldnet.att.net From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 9 13:28:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22667 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA14769 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe file transfer problem using an IBM 3174 AEA Date: 9 Sep 1996 17:28:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <511k39$3tn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <322f965a.1227024@news.pacbell.net> <50p9qh$1ci@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <01bb9c18$16ccf6a0$a744aace@eabajo.tacobell.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb9c18$16ccf6a0$a744aace@eabajo.tacobell.com>, Ed Abajo wrote: >> >> SET CONTROLLER AEA >> >I tried that command and although it allows me to start the SERVER mode, >the file transfer still fails. On the PC side, does a bunch of retries and >the host side eventually goes into a CP READ. Also, the Kermit User's >guide for IBM 370 Kermit says "The only initial CONTROLLER setting that you >should not change by hand is NONE, which means that Kermit-370 has >recognized a 3174 AEA line that is not configured for file transfer.." >That is the setting that I am getting so it must be that the 3174 AEA line >is not configured for file transfer. Can anyone help me with that? There are two things to try here. One is to determine *why* your AEA line is unsatisfactory. If the AEA is set up with at least Config B0, then there is no reason why it couldn't handle file transfers. The most likely explanation is that you are using a type of terminal emulation that is incompatible with transfers. The default setup has (or used to have) only two suitable builtin terminal types (VT241 and Tek 4205). If you can't use either of those, you'll have to create your own. This is covered in the Kermit-370 release notes (file ik0aaa.hlp), and so is the other possibility, i.e., that you need to tweek the VTAM definition. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 9 13:36:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25587 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15006 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe file transfer problem using an IBM 3174 AEA Date: 9 Sep 1996 17:36:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <511ki2$47e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <322f965a.1227024@news.pacbell.net> <50p9qh$1ci@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <01bb9c18$16ccf6a0$a744aace@eabajo.tacobell.com> <511k39$3tn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu I wrote: > >There are two things to try here. One is... Oops, I forgot to mention the second thing. If all else fails, you can always try doing transfers in FULLSCREEN mode (e.g., if your AEA is an old one that is *not* at least at config B0). The instructions for using FULLSCREEN mode are covered in the installation guide for your Kermit. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 9 13:39:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26065 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15045 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IRQ problem Date: 9 Sep 1996 17:39:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <511knt$49i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3234370E.3D38@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3234370E.3D38@worldnet.att.net>, Dave McAlister wrote: : How do I get Kermit to find a modem set to COM2 and IRQ5 these setting : can't be changed as other perps are using all other ports & irqs. There : must be a way to change the settings in the mscustom.ini file but I : have tried everything I can think of. : set com2 \xaaaa \5 set port 2 where aaaa is the hexadecimal hardware address. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 9 14:11:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00462 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA16139 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news1.best.com!nntp1.best.com!usenet From: Tamara Quinn Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit with long packets Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 11:11:30 -0700 Organization: Broadcast Management Plus Lines: 10 Message-ID: <32345DD2.816@bmp.com> References: <50sq97$3qo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sysbmp.vip.best.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) We are working under Windows 3.1, and using Greenleaf's communication library (which supports Kermit file transfer protocal) to transfer files programatically. One "huge" problem that we're running into is Greenleaf does not support Kermit's long packets. If any could help point to any source of shareware or anything out there at all that address this problem. Please let us know. We're desperately need some help. Thanks, Tamara Quinn. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 9 14:20:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02008 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA16394 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit with long packets Date: 9 Sep 1996 18:19:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <511n48$5nq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <50sq97$3qo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <32345DD2.816@bmp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32345DD2.816@bmp.com>, Tamara Quinn wrote: : We are working under Windows 3.1, and using Greenleaf's communication : library (which supports Kermit file transfer protocal) to transfer files : programatically. One "huge" problem that we're running into is Greenleaf : does not support Kermit's long packets. If any could help point to any : source of shareware or anything out there at all that address this : problem. Please let us know. We're desperately need some help. : Kermit protocol is implemented properly in Kermit software from the Kermit Project at Columbia University. If you want to imbed Kermit protocol transfers in your applications, we'll be glad to assist. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 10 13:11:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27196 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11128 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.thenet.net!frankensun.altair.com!wlbr!news.cerf.net!hacgate2.hac.com!news.delcoelect.com!not-for-mail From: c23st@eng.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Mystery of dropping chars at 9600 with Kermit and an 8250A Date: 10 Sep 1996 16:03:12 GMT Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 26 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <5143g0$j3r@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kocrsw06.delcoelect.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] A while ago I had inquired about the problem I was having with an AT&T 6300 dropping characters at 9600 or better on Kermit 3.14. Well, after a few wasted hours, I've solved it. The autoexec.bat contained the obligatory disk cache (removed) and a utility intended to speed up screen writes (from the mid 80's). This did work very well, actually, speeding the screen writes by 10% or so and only using a few KB memory. It's called VSCREEN... Since video ran faster with it I assumed it did not have any effect on the dropped characters, after all, if it's faster writing to the screen, it's faster overall, so leave it :-). Not so. It apparently took enough CPU cycles from the 8086 that there were dropped chars on 9600 or better. With a clean autoexec.bat the machine runs fine at 14.4 using RTS/CTS flow control. The logic of a utility that speeds up screen writes yet takes longer to run escapes me... I am also running the Kermit E binary (no network or graphics). I don't think this has any effect on speed, but it does load faster. Spiros -- Spiros Triantafyllopoulos Kokomo, IN 46902 (317) 451-0815 (8-322) Corporate Software Technology Email: c23st@eng.delcoelect.com Delco Electronics Corporation URL: http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~strianta/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 11 01:45:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA03237 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA01689 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!usenet From: edabajo@pacbell.net (Ed Abajo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM Mainframe file transfer problem using an IBM 3174 AEA Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 04:44:31 GMT Organization: Pacific Bell Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <32363da6.2422741@news.pacbell.net> References: <322f965a.1227024@news.pacbell.net> <50p9qh$1ci@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <01bb9c18$16ccf6a0$a744aace@eabajo.tacobell.com> <511k39$3tn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-206-170-67-192.anhm01.pacbell.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) wrote: >There are two things to try here. One is to determine *why* your AEA line >is unsatisfactory. If the AEA is set up with at least Config B0, then >there is no reason why it couldn't handle file transfers. The most likely >explanation is that you are using a type of terminal emulation that is >incompatible with transfers. The default setup has (or used to have) only >two suitable builtin terminal types (VT241 and Tek 4205). If you can't use >either of those, you'll have to create your own. This is covered in the >Kermit-370 release notes (file ik0aaa.hlp), and so is the other possibility, >i.e., that you need to tweek the VTAM definition. > That was the problem --I saw in the Kermit-370 doc about the VT241. I had the controller re-configured to a VT241 and that fixed it right up. Thanks again. Ed From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 11 10:05:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28976 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04703 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-paris.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sol.co.uk!dundeecity.gov.uk!nobody From: JIM Subject: ver3.14 with Win-95 and TCP/IP Message-ID: <3236BD65.209C@dundeecity.gov.uk> Sender: nobody@gateway.dundeecity.gov.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Dundee City Council Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:23:49 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 I'm trying to connect kermit over Ethernet using a D-Link DE-650CT Lan adapter. I'm a novice when it comes to Comms, TCP/IP. So I'm finding it difficult to follow the NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC (January 1995) supplied with Kermit, especially since it's not written for Windows 95. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jim Walker From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 11 10:08:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29472 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04809 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ver3.14 with Win-95 and TCP/IP Date: 11 Sep 1996 14:07:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <516h3m$9qg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3236BD65.209C@dundeecity.gov.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3236BD65.209C@dundeecity.gov.uk>, JIM wrote: : I'm trying to connect kermit over Ethernet using a D-Link DE-650CT Lan : adapter. : I'm a novice when it comes to Comms, TCP/IP. So I'm finding it difficult : to follow the NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC (January 1995) supplied with Kermit, : especially since it's not written for Windows 95. : Neither was MS-DOS Kermit. The Kermit program for Windows 95 (and NT) is Kermit 95. It comes as a working 32-bit Winsock client out of the box. More info at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 11 12:18:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19199 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA08474 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mystery of dropping chars at 9600 with Kermit and an 8250A Message-ID: <1996Sep11.093507.84820@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Sep 96 09:35:07 MDT References: <5143g0$j3r@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 In article <5143g0$j3r@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com>, c23st@eng.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes: > With a clean autoexec.bat the machine runs fine at 14.4 using RTS/CTS > flow control. The logic of a utility that speeds up screen writes yet > takes longer to run escapes me... Welcome to interrupt latency. Although it may write to the screen more quickly, it is probably doing more work with interrupts disabled than the stock machine. -- -------------------------+--------------------------------------------- Roger Ivie | "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." ivie@cc.usu.edu | -- Frank Drebin http://cc.usu.edu/~ivie/ | From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 11 13:56:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05371 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11109 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!news.ping.at!usenet From: "hg.angel" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit protocol Date: 11 Sep 1996 16:54:37 GMT Organization: Customer of PING - Personal InterNet Gate Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bba001$f6b3a380$14b951c1@hg.angel.ping.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: dynamic-020.ts1.vienna.at.ping.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 who knew where i can get a documation about the Kermit protocol. I wait desperate for an answer. herbert From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 11 14:08:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06592 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA11534 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!enews.sgi.com!news.uoregon.edu!news.rediris.es!sanson.dit.upm.es!news.ucm.es!news.ucm.es!nntp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS PC <-> Null Modem <-> Linux PC Message-ID: <3236F301.41C6@eucmdx.gae.ucm.es> From: Jose Carlos Gonzalez Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:12:33 +0200 Organization: Dpto.Fisica Atomica, Molecular y Nuclear - UCM Nntp-Posting-Host: up.gae.ucm.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Hi, world, Does anybody know what is the EXACT configuration (step by step, please) of Kermit to allow a login from a terminal PC (running DOS) into a Linux machine? I have already configured the serial port to run getty. And even I can connect with some other very primitive communications program. I would like also know if I can use TCP/IP from Kermit, or show some graphics in my terminal. Thanks, J.C.  From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 11 14:25:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07757 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA11940 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!crchh327.rich.bnr.ca!anandkr From: anandkr@bnr.ca (Anand Krishnaswamy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Open and write on Modem device Date: 11 Sep 1996 17:50:16 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Lines: 34 Distribution: world Message-ID: <516u4o$dmi@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: crchh39d.rich.bnr.ca Originator: anandkr@crchh39d Hope someone can help me with this problem: Am trying to write C code that can dial out through a modem, connected to a tty port, for example, /dev/ttyd0p7, on a 10.x system. Whenever I try to do an open on this device to write, the open waits, as expected, waiting for a carrier (see man page for open). If I set the O_NDELAY or the O_NONBLOCK bit set while doing the open, the open returns, but the write fails. Apparently I am heading in the right direction, but not quite there. I've tried to look into Stevens Adv. Prog. in Unix for help, but to no success. Bottom line that is required, just to dial a telephone! I am able to use kermit to set line to the above device, and then do a atdt to the telephone number without any problem. I would like to know what I need to do, to enable the dialing onto the device. A code segment that can illustrate the required things is very much appreciated. Please post to this newsgroup, or send email to: anandkr@nortel.com A speedy response would be great! Thanks in advance, Anand -- Anand Krishnaswamy MSS, Nortel Richardson, TX 75082 From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 11 15:15:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14147 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA13196 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit protocol Date: 11 Sep 1996 19:15:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <51733l$ke8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bba001$f6b3a380$14b951c1@hg.angel.ping.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bba001$f6b3a380$14b951c1@hg.angel.ping.at>, hg.angel wrote: : who knew where i can get a documation about : the Kermit protocol. I wait desperate for an answer. : The Kermit protocol is specified in the book, "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", ISBN 0-932376-88-6. Further information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 11 15:17:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA14447 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA13225 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS PC <-> Null Modem <-> Linux PC Date: 11 Sep 1996 19:16:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <51737a$kia@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3236F301.41C6@eucmdx.gae.ucm.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3236F301.41C6@eucmdx.gae.ucm.es>, Jose Carlos Gonzalez wrote: : Does anybody know what is the EXACT configuration : (step by step, please) of Kermit to allow a login : from a terminal PC (running DOS) into a Linux machine? : I have already configured the serial port to run : getty. And even I can connect with some other very : primitive communications program. : : I would like also know if I can use TCP/IP from : Kermit, or show some graphics in my terminal. : You need MS-DOS Kermit, current version 3.14, accompanied by the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", and the online supplemental documentation files, particularly in your case, NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC. Complete information about the software and manuals at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 11 15:32:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17343 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA13567 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Open and write on Modem device Date: 11 Sep 1996 19:31:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <51742c$l2r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <516u4o$dmi@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <516u4o$dmi@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca>, Anand Krishnaswamy wrote: : : Hope someone can help me with this problem: : : Am trying to write C code that can dial out through : a modem, connected to a tty port, for example, : /dev/ttyd0p7, on a 10.x system. Whenever I try to : do an open on this device to write, the open waits, : as expected, waiting for a carrier (see man page for open). : ... : Bottom line that is required, just to dial a telephone! : : I am able to use kermit to set line to the above device, : and then do a atdt to the telephone number without any : problem. I would like to know what I need to do, to : enable the dialing onto the device. A code segment that : can illustrate the required things is very much appreciated. : Then just use C-Kermit itself. As you know, version 5A(190) comes with HP-UX 10.x. You might be able to code your application as a C-Kermit script program. If not, you can share the communications file descriptor between C-Kermit and your program in various ways, including: . Have your program pass the file descriptor to C-Kermit via the "-l" command-line option, e.g. kermit -l 4 . Have C-Kermit pass the file descriptor to your program. The communications file descriptor can be referred to in a Kermit script via the variable \v(ttyfd). See the manual, "Using C-Kermit", for details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 12 12:26:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03168 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA05515 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sgi.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!purdue!news.bu.edu!usenet From: marcelor@ACS1.BU.EDU (Marcelo Rodrigues) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How can I get CKERMIT to work with the HP48 ? Date: 12 Sep 1996 15:11:18 GMT Organization: Boston University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <51996m$qba@news.bu.edu> Reply-To: marcelor@ACS1.BU.EDU (Marcelo Rodrigues) NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-82-1.bu.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Hello, I am trying to get CKERMIT to work with my HP48 without success. I am running CKERMIT under OS/2. I know that the serial port on my PC and on my HP48 are working properly because I tested both in various ways. I have two cables and know they are working fine also. I know I am seting up CKERMIT properly because I can use it just fine to communicate with my HP200LX and my notebook computer. I set baud, parity, and port and it works just fine. However, when I try it with the HP48 ( with the correct values for baud and parity, of course ) it will not work no matter what speed on both machines - and just in case, translation code on the 48- I choose. Now that I think about it, last year I couldn't get CKERMIT to work with the HP48 under NeXTSTEP either, so it is nothing to do with OS/2 or the version of CKERMIT and probably something to do with differences betwen CKERMIT and the version of KERMIT in the HP48. If you got CKERMIT running with the HP48 please let me konw and perhaps explain to me if I have to set up anything differently in order to get it going. Thanks, Marcelo From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 13 12:31:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09495 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA29758 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 8 available for testing Date: 13 Sep 1996 16:31:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <51c28h$59g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 8 is now available for testing. New features: New items: . Add keyboard verbs \Ksession1 through \Ksession6 to select a particular Telnet session of the six available (versus the \Knextsession toggle). These new verbs are not preassigned to keys. Fixes: . Current directory, as shown in prompt, was over-evaluated. . Bug with UDKs fixed. . \v(drive) value had a spurious null character on the end. . SET PRINTER problems displayed gibberish rather than a proper error message. . No Ping response was generated for SLIP connections. . SHOW SESSIONS did not wait for a confirming Enter key. . \v(input) lost its text. . Invoking macros within macros which used END to leave had confused the END command. To get it: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file msk315.zip. ZIP file contains the executable, MSK315.EXE, and a brief description of the changes since version 3.14, MSK315.DOC. Report problems via email to kermit@columbia.edu. Thanks, as always, to Joe D. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 13 17:21:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA19551 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA06729 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!defsdoor.demon.co.uk From: andy@defsdoor.demon.co.uk (Andrew Porter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: TAP Protocol Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 20:35:47 GMT Lines: 15 Message-ID: <842647208.12717.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: defsdoor.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: defsdoor.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99b.112 I need to write a Kermit script to transmit SMS messages to GSM mobile phones. The dial up server that I send the messages to uses the TAP protocol. I will be sending upto a thousand messages in a batch, always the same message. Does anyone have any similar scripts that could mail to me to help me with the project ? Any help is greatly appreciated. Andy From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 14 19:42:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07299 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 19:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA02984 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 19:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!metro.atlanta.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.interserv.com!news From: Lee Allen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SPX/IPX & TCP/IP co-existence Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 14:34:33 -0700 Organization: Leadtec Systems, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <323B24E9.6AF9@leadtec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dd76-149.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; U; 16bit) We have used a Netware LAN in our office for years. We really have two networks -- one Token Ring and one Ethernet -- with a single file server serving both networks. We use the IPXODI drivers (with IBM's LAN Support Program to connect to our AS/400's). We are now adding a SCO OpenServer 5 host to our network. We have configured the SPX/IPX protocol on the SCO server, and we can now connect to the SCO server using IPXODI & NVT. Great so far. We also need to utilize the TCP/IP protocol. Part of the reason for this is to have "full connectivity" with the SCO server -- we want to utilize NFS, FTP, and Telnet, both locally and to other Unix systems via our SCO server. We also just need to learn TCP/IP (and the related tools) so that we can fully support our customers who will be using Unix systems (and TCP/IP) exclusively. I am trying to figure out how our PC's can have full connectivity to both of these systems. 1. Can a PC implement both the SPX/IPX and TCP/IP protocol stacks, at the same time? 2. Can a PC running only the TCP/IP protocol have full access to the Netware services (file server, print server, MHS) ? 3. Can a PC running only the SPX/IPX protocol stack utilize services such as NFS, FTP and Telnet with the SCO server? We have the SCO "Advanced File and Print Services", although we have not configured it. -Lee Allen From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 14 21:31:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15203 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 21:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA05277 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 21:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.dacom.co.kr!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.interserv.com!news From: Lee Allen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <323B24E9.6AF9@leadtec.com> Control: cancel <323B24E9.6AF9@leadtec.com> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 15:06:25 -0700 Organization: InterServ News Service Lines: 1 Message-ID: <323B2C61.B76@leadtec.com> References: <323B24E9.6AF9@leadtec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd60-173.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; U; 16bit) This message was cancelled from within Mozilla. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 15 03:51:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA16347 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 03:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA14346 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 03:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!jwang From: jwang@ugcs.caltech.edu (John W. Wang) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: msk315 Date: 15 Sep 1996 05:48:20 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 21 Message-ID: <51g5b4$cr5@gap.cco.caltech.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beat.ugcs.caltech.edu Summary: msk315 problem Keywords: msk315 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Hello! I am a modem novice. I have been using the version of MSkermit that came out in 88 for a long time without any problems. However, that has changed since I downloaded the new version msk315. These strange characters appear at random moments and disrupt whatever process I am working on. It always begins with 'x>' and ends with a series of nine w's. After three disruptions, the problem disappears for the session. But after I logout, the screen just fills up with random characters and usually crashes the computer as a result. I also have discovered that if I use the modem for something else first such as sending out a fax that this problem does not appear. Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks! John W. -- John W. Wang jwang@ugcs.caltech.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 15 19:16:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA14076 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 19:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA24085 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 19:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Lee Allen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: INT14 how? Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 18:50:45 -0700 Organization: Leadtec Systems, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <323B60F5.3817@leadtec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tok-ca8-18.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 15 4:52:12 PM CDT 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; U; 16bit) I just downloaded kermit this week, intending to run it over Novell's NVT which provides INT14 support between our DOS clients and our SCO OpenServer5 host. The "fact sheet" for kermit says that it runs over INT14, but darned if I can figure out how to do it. We don't have any documentation (and can't wait for it to arrive in the mail -- does that sound familiar :) Can someone point me in the right direction? -Lee Allen From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 16 05:34:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA06621 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 05:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA08493 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 05:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.misty.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.palantir.com!news.IntNet.net!news From: dss@intnet.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need Wang 2110 terminal emulation??? Date: 14 Sep 1996 21:37:40 GMT Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <51f8j5$gbd@mercury.IntNet.net> Reply-To: dss@intnet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: as-clw-8-54.intnet.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2.5 Looking thru the book and files that came with kermit doesn't have anything on Wang 2110? Where can I find a kermit ready template for this? I'm using the DOS version of kermit 3.14... thanks, reply to: jeff@d-s-s.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 16 10:26:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12964 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04744 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: TAP Protocol Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:26:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <51jo22$s7q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <842647208.12717.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <842647208.12717.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk>, Andrew Porter wrote: : I need to write a Kermit script to transmit SMS messages to GSM mobile : phones. The dial up server that I send the messages to uses the TAP : protocol. : I will be sending upto a thousand messages in a batch, always the same : message. : : Does anyone have any similar scripts that could mail to me to help me : with the project ? : C-Kermit 6.0, now in Beta test, can do this, and most likely also MS-DOS Kermit 3.15, also in Beta. Please contact me directly with more details about your platform, requirements, etc, and I can arrange a test. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 16 10:27:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13130 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04833 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need Wang 2110 terminal emulation??? Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:27:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <51jo47$s8l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <51f8j5$gbd@mercury.IntNet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <51f8j5$gbd@mercury.IntNet.net>, wrote: : Looking thru the book and files that came with kermit doesn't have anything : on Wang 2110? Where can I find a kermit ready template for this? I'm using : the DOS version of kermit 3.14... : What is the Wang 2110? A computer? A terminal? You'll need to be more specific about exactly what you want Kermit to do for you. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 16 10:28:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13290 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04852 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: INT14 how? Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:28:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <51jo6n$sat@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <323B60F5.3817@leadtec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <323B60F5.3817@leadtec.com>, Lee Allen wrote: : I just downloaded kermit this week, intending to run it over Novell's NVT : which provides INT14 support between our DOS clients and our SCO : OpenServer5 host. The "fact sheet" for kermit says that it runs over : INT14, but darned if I can figure out how to do it. We don't have any : documentation (and can't wait for it to arrive in the mail -- does that : sound familiar :) : "set port bios1" chooses the BIOS Interrupt 14 communications path. While waiting for the manual to arrive, read through NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 16 10:33:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15593 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04971 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msk315 Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:32:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <51joeg$sg6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <51g5b4$cr5@gap.cco.caltech.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: msk315 In article <51g5b4$cr5@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, John W. Wang wrote: : : I am a modem novice. I have been using the version of MSkermit that came : out in 88 for a long time without any problems. However, that has changed : since I downloaded the new version msk315. : : These strange characters appear at random moments and disrupt whatever : process I am working on. It always begins with 'x>' and ends with a series : of nine w's. After three disruptions, the problem disappears for the : session. But after I logout, the screen just fills up with random : characters and usually crashes the computer as a result. I also have : discovered that if I use the modem for something else first such as sending : out a fax that this problem does not appear. Does anyone know anything : about this? : It sounds like memory corruption, most likely caused by a conflict between your memory management setup and what Kermit thinks your management setup is. But you'll need to be much more specific about your platform -- operating system and version, hardware configuration, and memory configuration. (The 1988 version of MS-DOS Kermit used low memory for everything; more recent versions use expanded or extended memory for rollback buffers, etc). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 16 12:31:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18605 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA08819 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.mira.net.au!news.vbc.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: INT14 how? Date: 16 Sep 1996 15:32:21 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 30 Message-ID: <51jru5$lhs@bug.rahul.net> References: <323B60F5.3817@leadtec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lee Allen (Lee@leadtec.com) wrote: : I just downloaded kermit this week, intending to run it over Novell's NVT : which provides INT14 support between our DOS clients and our SCO : OpenServer5 host. The "fact sheet" for kermit says that it runs over : INT14, but darned if I can figure out how to do it. We don't have any I used NVT.EXE, provided with Unixware, to attach some MSDOS Kermit users to my Unixware system. NVT is loaded via autoexec, or by a kerm.bat file, which just loads the TSR, and then invokes kermit. On the Unix box, there is a process called nwgetty that looks for these connections, meaning that I can only connect to Unixware, and not the other Unix boxes on my network. >From Kermit, "set port Bios1" and then connect. You should get a login prompt. It is possible to start a second session by using control-T to get back to the NVT prompt. I found NVT to be an annoying pain... It would hang. It would create sandbars in memory, so that other DOS programs only see 384k of Conventional Memory... I now use MSKermit with ts builtin TCP to connect to the telnet port on all of my servers. This is a much happier arrangement. The Novell stations still run IPX for netware, via the VLM stack, but I can run TCP to any of the UNIX machines. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 16 12:50:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21858 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA09236 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!01-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!ubnsrv.unisource.ch!peroni.ita.tip.net!i2unix!cesi!palmirani From: palmirani@cesi.it (Paolo Palmirani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 is unable to unlock the screen Message-ID: <1996Sep16.142029.1094@cesi> Date: 16 Sep 96 14:20:29 +0200 Organization: Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano, Milano, Italy Lines: 10 I have a problem with Kermit 95 Version 1.1.7 for Windows 95 when I use it as a terminal emulator (VT320) and I try to lock the screen with F1 (HOLD SCREEN): the emulator is not able to unlock the screen I've locked with F1 ... any ideas? Thanks in advance, Paolo. ---- Paolo Palmirani Palmirani@cesi.it From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 16 13:08:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24009 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA09716 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 is unable to unlock the screen Date: 16 Sep 1996 17:08:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <51k1hr$4mm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Sep16.142029.1094@cesi> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Sep16.142029.1094@cesi>, Paolo Palmirani wrote: : I have a problem with Kermit 95 Version 1.1.7 for Windows 95 when I use it : as a terminal emulator (VT320) and I try to lock the screen with F1 (HOLD : SCREEN): the emulator is not able to unlock the screen I've locked with F1 : ... any ideas? : Sorry, it's a bug. It will be fixed in the next patch. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 16 14:54:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09944 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA12028 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-chi-8.sprintlink.net!ratty.wolfe.net!usenet From: Baus Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 and Hayes 28.8 problems? Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:52:52 -0700 Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <323D85E4.7D27@WolfeNet.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sea-ts3-p05.wolfenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Are there any know problems with Kermit 3.14 and Hayes Accura 28.8 externals? I have on the once in a while just will not answer an incoming call. The AA, MR and TR lights are on but it will not answer. The lights do not even flash. Anyone heard of this? Thanks, Steve From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 17 07:55:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05749 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA24350 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!bcc.ac.uk!ts-b.bcc.ac.uk!uclyjjd From: uclyjjd@ucl.ac.uk (Julian Daley) Subject: 2 stop bits with msdos kermit Message-ID: <1996Sep17.101748.66952@ucl.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:17:48 GMT Organization: University College London Lines: 18 I'd like to use kermit's scripting capabilities to communicate with a piece of hardware. The box uses 8 data bits, no parity and 2 stopbits. I can't seem to set ms-kermit 3.14 for more than 1 stop bit. I can write a c program to set the serial port to these parameters and the interface then works ok, but with kermit and one stop bit I get data corruption. I also have an application where I need to use a non-standard baud rate. The pc serial port can be set to various baud rates (eg 8861 baud) but I can't find a way of doing this via kermit. Any advice welcome, Julian. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Julian Daley, Dept. Clinical Physics, Guy's Hospital, London ______________________________ j.daley@umds.ac.uk _____________________________ From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 17 11:48:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01537 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA29995 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: jmt7@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 and laptops Date: 17 Sep 1996 11:05:59 -0400 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <51meon$2f17@ns4-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns4-1.cc.lehigh.edu Hi, I have a strange situation here with K95 and an IBM Thinkpad laptop with a PCMCIA 28.8 USR Sportster modem. The modem is installed on COM4 but whenever I do a "set port 4" K95 tells me that it cannot open the port. Here's the weird part. If I start up Hyperterm and just have it start to dial a number (or finish dialing, whatever...), quit out of there, then rerun K95 with the identical script that fails just before I run Hyperterm, K95 works like a charm every time. It's as if Hyperterm is performing some kind of initialization or "wake-up" on the modem that K95 requires but is not doing. Any thoughts/comments/suggestion on this (other than to curse laptops in general)? Regards, --------------------------------------------------------------------- John M. Troiano Internet: jmt7@lehigh.edu Lehigh University Computing Center phone: (610)758-5060 Rm. 183 E.W. Fairchild/Martindale Bldg. fax: (610)974-6436 8B E. Packer Ave. Bethlehem, PA 18015 From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 17 11:57:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02738 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00228 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and laptops Date: 17 Sep 1996 15:57:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <51mhp7$5mj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <51meon$2f17@ns4-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <51meon$2f17@ns4-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, wrote: : I have a strange situation here with K95 and an IBM Thinkpad laptop with : a PCMCIA 28.8 USR Sportster modem. The modem is installed on COM4 but : whenever I do a "set port 4" K95 tells me that it cannot open the port. : : Here's the weird part. If I start up Hyperterm and just have it start to : dial a number (or finish dialing, whatever...), quit out of there, then : rerun K95 with the identical script that fails just before I run Hyperterm, : K95 works like a charm every time. It's as if Hyperterm is performing some : kind of initialization or "wake-up" on the modem that K95 requires but is : not doing. : This problem is noted in the BUGS.DOC file that comes with Kermit 95: 79. PCMCIA Modem Problems (C). Restriction: The Microsoft VCOMM driver used to provide serial port services in console windows does not support Plug-and-Play. Therefore, it is unable to initialize Plug and Play serial devices when they are added to the system, and so the console-mode version of Kermit 95 can not use PCMCIA modems on Windows 95 unless they are previously initialized by some other program, such as Hyperterminal. This restriction will be lifted when conversion of Kermit 95 to a full GUI application is complete. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 17 14:44:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28760 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA04631 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!swrinde.nde.swri.edu!HOPPER.ACM.ORG!ACM.ORG!AARONB From: aaronb@ACM.ORG (Aaron Burns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 multisessions Date: 17 Sep 1996 18:31:51 GMT Organization: ACM Network Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <51mqqn$flt@hopper.ACM.ORG> Reply-To: aaronb@ACM.ORG NNTP-Posting-Host: pascal.acm.org Hi. For some years, i've been able to attach to a terminal servers running LAT, type 'set port multisessions enable', and then jump from session to session ( total of two ) without doing a screen rewrite by pressng F4 on the Dec terminal. I think it was a VT420, but could be mistaken (and am nowhere near such a terminal just now). I've looked in the C-Kermit and Kermit 95 docs, and browsed help a bit - I can't find a reference to this capability. Is there a way to get Kermit 95 to manage multisession capability? Do I have to wait until K95 supports more than the VT320? Thanks for your help. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 17 14:54:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00194 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA04830 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 multisessions Date: 17 Sep 1996 18:54:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <51ms53$bga@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <51mqqn$flt@hopper.ACM.ORG> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <51mqqn$flt@hopper.ACM.ORG>, Aaron Burns wrote: : Hi. For some years, i've been able to attach to a terminal : servers running LAT, type 'set port multisessions enable', : and then jump from session to session ( total of two ) : without doing a screen rewrite by pressng F4 on the Dec : terminal. I think it was a VT420, but could be mistaken : (and am nowhere near such a terminal just now). : : I've looked in the C-Kermit and Kermit 95 docs, and browsed : help a bit - I can't find a reference to this capability. : : Is there a way to get Kermit 95 to manage multisession : capability? Do I have to wait until K95 supports more than : the VT320? : One instance of K95 supports one session, but you can run multiple instances of it to get multiple sessions in multiple windows. This way there is no artificial limit on the number of sessions -- as there is with a VT300/400/500 terminal. Hot key" switching among them is built into Windows. Or you can let your LAT server manage multiple sessions for you, just as you described above. This works just as well with Kermit 95 as with any other emulator (or real terminal). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 17 16:53:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20791 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA08164 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Hayes 28.8 problems? Message-ID: <1996Sep17.142515.85080@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Sep 96 14:25:14 MDT References: <323D85E4.7D27@WolfeNet.Com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 In article <323D85E4.7D27@WolfeNet.Com>, Baus writes: > Are there any know problems with Kermit 3.14 and Hayes Accura 28.8 > externals? I have on the once in a while just will not answer an > incoming call. The AA, MR and TR lights are on but it will not answer. > The lights do not even flash. ----------- Um, just what has that problem to do with Kermit? It's the modem which has to deal with the telco line and answer the phone etc. My only recommendation is to check the configuration of the modem one more time with the manual in hand, and if things still fail then contact Hayes. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 17 19:55:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA16203 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA12756 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!EU.net!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!super.zippo.com!zdc!zippo!news From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Hayes 28.8 problems? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 06:01:07 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 22 Message-ID: <51lf9p$d52@lex.zippo.com> References: <323D85E4.7D27@WolfeNet.Com> Reply-To: cksam@macau.ctm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.171.255.128 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:52:52 -0700, Baus wrote: >Are there any know problems with Kermit 3.14 and Hayes Accura 28.8 >externals? I have on the once in a while just will not answer an >incoming call. The AA, MR and TR lights are on but it will not answer. >The lights do not even flash. > >Anyone heard of this? > >Thanks, >Steve Mskermit 3.14 work with Hayes Accura28.8 external perfectly. In fact, I almost use this combination everday. --SAM =================================================================== SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.) at Hermes Electronics Technology Co. in MACAU Tel: +(853) 963609 Fax: +(853) 511456 PGP key available via email e-mail: cksam@macau.ctm.net Mailing-addr.: P.O.Box 831, Macau, ASIA =================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 18 07:54:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01999 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 07:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA18563 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 07:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!01-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!swidir.switch.ch!surfnet.nl!eur.nl!news.fgg.eur.nl!usenet From: clotscher@coh.fgg.eur.nl (Pim Clotscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit-95 scripts Date: 18 Sep 1996 11:22:47 GMT Organization: Erasmus University Rotterdam Lines: 35 Message-ID: <51om27$e7g@newton.fgg.eur.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: coh-236-202.pc.fgg.eur.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Dear Kermit experts, As a user os MS-Kermit for several years, I have a problem with a script-bases connection to one of our HP Unix-hosts. The script runs fine, I can login and run a grep on a file, but I never see the terminals screen, but only the K95 screen. When I do not logout the host, I can connect from the K95 prompt, and then at least I see the grep-results. In Ms-Kermit there was a command set display quiet/regular. Whats the K95 alternative? My script is attached, to show what ive tried. Thanks so far! ---------------------------------------------- ; Script for login to HP750 & lookup mail address in $(STRING) ; set input timeout quit set terminal status off set terminal type vt102 set network tcp/ip set telnet terminal vt100 set input echo off set host hp750 input 2 login: output myname\13 askq \%p Password: input 2 Password: output \%p\13 set input echo on output grep \$(STRING) /usr/local/SENDMAIL/novaliases\13 pause 2 ;output logout\13 ;pause 3 ;exit ----------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 18 11:22:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23022 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA24968 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-95 scripts Date: 18 Sep 1996 15:22:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <51p42t$9qr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <51om27$e7g@newton.fgg.eur.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <51om27$e7g@newton.fgg.eur.nl>, Pim Clotscher wrote: : As a user os MS-Kermit for several years, I have a problem with a : script-bases connection to one of our HP Unix-hosts. The script runs fine, : I can login and run a grep on a file, but I never see the terminals screen, : but only the K95 screen. When I do not logout the host, I can connect from : the K95 prompt, and then at least I see the grep-results. In Ms-Kermit there : was a command set display quiet/regular. Whats the K95 alternative? My : script is attached, to show what ive tried. : ... : set input echo on : output grep \$(STRING) /usr/local/SENDMAIL/novaliases\13 : pause 2 : ;output logout\13 : ;pause 3 : ;exit : You need an INPUT command after the "output grep" command. If there is no INPUT command, nobody is reading the output from grep, so it is just sitting there waiting to be read, which happens next time you CONNECT. So, for example, let's suppose your shell prompt on the UNIX system is $ (linefeed, dollar sign, space): set input echo on output grep \$(STRING) /usr/local/SENDMAIL/novaliases\13 input 30 {\10$\32} Now you will see the results from grep on your K95 command screen. And in version 1.1.5 and later, you can use Page Up / Down to scroll through it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 18 15:42:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07375 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA01898 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!news.bconnex.net!news2.insinc.net!heracles.kosone.com!apollo.kosone.com!news From: rcpotter@kosone.com (Richard Potter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Capable of this? Date: 17 Sep 1996 22:24:15 GMT Organization: Kingston Online Services Lines: 49 Message-ID: <51n8ef$htr@apollo.kosone.com> Reply-To: ph3@knot.queensu.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: ki-ppp41.kosone.com X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.91 with YES 0.22 X-Mailer: uka_ppp 1.52 <-- Forwarded Message Follows, Original was sent to Frank da Cruz --> ****************** I was forwarded your name by Richard Potter; he felt you may be able to help me regarding a problem with terminal emulation. We are hoping to set up a system with a local supplier (represented by Richard) whereby we can access their system via modem for inventory checking and purchase ordering. As several users at Queen's would require access we won't install individual modems; not only are we worried about security, but we would like individuals to have access from any machine in the department, plus the cost (and lack of) free analog lines in our building are prohibitive. Queen's U has an old PACX system however that anyone on the University backbone can log into using our telnet package QWS3270. Here is the problem. The suppliers system requires Wyse50 Emulation; our telnet software does not support that terminal type. I am not familiar with Kermit, I believe however that K does not support W50 either. Do you know of a telnet package that may, is there a way I can use kermit, or can you think of any other solution. I hope you can be of help signed: truely desperate Philip Hart *************************************************************** Philip Hart Computer Support Analyst Physical Plant Services Queen's University 207 Stuart Street, Rideau Building Kingston, Ontario K7L 3N6 Phone - Business: 613-545-6577 Local: 7980 FAX: 613-545-6469 e-mail: ph3@post.queensu.ca <-- End Forwarded Message ---------------> Regards, _____ Richard Potter Kingston, Ontario Canada E-Mail:rcpotter@kosone.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 18 15:50:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08304 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA02099 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Capable of this? Date: 18 Sep 1996 19:49:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <51pjoo$iu9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <51n8ef$htr@apollo.kosone.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <51n8ef$htr@apollo.kosone.com>, Richard Potter wrote: : We are hoping to set up a system with a local supplier (represented by : Richard) whereby we can access their system via modem for inventory checking : and purchase ordering. As several users at Queen's would require access we : won't install individual modems; not only are we worried about security, but : we would like individuals to have access from any machine in the department, : plus the cost (and lack of) free analog lines in our building are : prohibitive. : : Queen's U has an old PACX system however that anyone on the University : backbone can log into using our telnet package QWS3270. Here is the problem. : The suppliers system requires Wyse50 Emulation; our telnet software does : not support that terminal type. : : I am not familiar with Kermit, I believe however that K does not support W50 : either. Do you know of a telnet package that may, is there a way I can use : kermit, or can you think of any other solution. : Both MS-DOS Kermit (for DOS and Windows 3.x) and Kermit 95 (for Windows 95 and Windows NT) support Wyse 50 emulation. More info on both at the Kermit Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 18 17:54:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28026 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 17:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA05110 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 17:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-chi-8.sprintlink.net!news.binc.net!š™™> From: mbakken@glhec.org Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: System Requirements Date: Wed, 18 Sep 96 16:13:40 Organization: Berbee Information Networks Corporation Lines: 1 Message-ID: <51pokj$14j@grandcanyon.binc.net> References: Kermit ver 3.14 NNTP-Posting-Host: msn_2_15.binc.net X-Newsreader: IBM WebExplorer DLL From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 18 18:58:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06523 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 18:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA06559 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 18:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!posts.execpc.com!usenet From: manning@execpc.com (Steve Manning) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 Enter key problem Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 22:55:18 GMT Organization: Exec-PC BBS Internet - Milwaukee, WI Lines: 10 Message-ID: <51pul3$ade@newsops.execpc.com> Reply-To: manning@execpc.com NNTP-Posting-Host: rj21x.execpc.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I've noticed that when I'm in a Wyse50 or 60 emulation and I ALT-X back to the K95 prompt, my Enter key is non-functional. I have to hit Control-J for K95 to accept my commands. When I change my emulation to a VT100 or AT386, there is no problem. (Is this a FAQ?) Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 19 07:31:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA23586 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 07:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA13486 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 07:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!news.mindspring.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!demos!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.urz.uni-heidelberg.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!not-for-mail From: draese@deculx.ba-loerrach.de (Sebastian Draese) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: important, please read ! Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:35:54 GMT Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany Lines: 95 Message-ID: <324113f4.8905084@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Reply-To: draese@deculx.ba-loerrach.de NNTP-Posting-Host: ws36b.wiwei.emi.fhg.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Taking 5 minutes to read what follows can change your life : I saw an article in an internet newsgroup telling me I could make $50,000 within a month for an investment of only $5. I thought it was a huge joke. But remember...... For only $5 to invest, you have the chance to get money, money, and more money... $,$,$$$$$$$..... All you have to do is: but a $1 note in an envelope and mail it to the adresses ( with the words: please add me to your mailing list ) listed below. After that, delete the frist address, let the other addresses rise up, so #2 become #1, #3 become #2... and put your address on place #5. 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From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 19 09:16:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02373 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA15783 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!cyberspam!usenet Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: draese@deculx.ba-loerrach.de (Sebastian Draese) Date: 19 Sep 1996 09:12:12 EDT Control: cancel <324113f4.8905084@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Subject: cmsg cancel <324113f4.8905084@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Message-ID: X-Cancelled-By: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu X-No-Archive: Yes Lines: 3 Spam/MMF cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was important, please read ! From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 19 10:22:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23817 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA17389 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 Enter key problem Date: 19 Sep 1996 14:22:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <51rkud$iib@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <51pul3$ade@newsops.execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <51pul3$ade@newsops.execpc.com>, Steve Manning wrote: : I've noticed that when I'm in a Wyse50 or 60 emulation and I ALT-X : back to the K95 prompt, my Enter key is non-functional. I have to hit : Control-J for K95 to accept my commands. When I change my emulation : to a VT100 or AT386, there is no problem. : It's a bug. It will be fixed in the next patch. In the meantime, you can work around it with SET KEY \269 \13. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 19 15:03:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10299 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA23828 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed1.aimnet.com!news.aimnet.com!news From: "Rainier Anthony B. Pineda" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for HP3000? Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:47:11 -0700 Organization: Hitech Information System Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3241952F.7C84@hitechworld.com> Reply-To: rainier@hitechworld.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.47.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6Gold (Win95; I) Does anybody know where to get or download Kermit executable for HP3000 running MPE? Anthony B. Pineda From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 19 15:23:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12734 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA24224 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for HP3000? Date: 19 Sep 1996 19:22:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <51s6i8$scf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3241952F.7C84@hitechworld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3241952F.7C84@hitechworld.com>, Rainier Anthony B. Pineda wrote: : Does anybody know where to get or download Kermit executable for HP3000 : running MPE? : We have two versions; one written in SPL, the other in C. Both are at our ftp site. You can pick them up as: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/d/hp3*.* FTP all the files in text mode. One binary is available (in hex format), based on an older release of the SPL version. Anybody who would like to contribute newer binaries is more than welcome! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 19 17:30:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09717 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA27315 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!psgrain!rainrgnews0!pacifier!mikef From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ascertaining Mode from a Script Date: 19 Sep 1996 21:23:57 GMT Organization: Pacifier Online Data Service Lines: 10 Message-ID: <51sdld$bt7@news.pacifier.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pacifier.com As part of a C-Kermit script, is there a way to determine if one is in "local" or "remote" mode? That is, is there a way (without knowing exact terminal designations) to know whether a "set line" to an external line has been done or a "set line" with no arguments has been done? Thanks. -- MIke Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com Amateur Radio Calsign: K7UIJ | */ PGP Public Key Available */ .. Experience varies directly with equipment ruined. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 19 17:38:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12398 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA27488 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ascertaining Mode from a Script Date: 19 Sep 1996 21:38:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <51segp$3p1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <51sdld$bt7@news.pacifier.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <51sdld$bt7@news.pacifier.com>, Mike Freeman wrote: : As part of a C-Kermit script, is there a way to determine if one is in : "local" or "remote" mode? That is, is there a way (without knowing exact : terminal designations) to know whether a "set line" to an external line : has been done or a "set line" with no arguments has been done? : Both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit have a variable: \v(connection) whose values are "remote" or "local". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 19 18:03:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA15205 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 18:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA28099 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 18:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infinex.com!news1.isp.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for HP3000? Date: 19 Sep 1996 19:38:29 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 26 Message-ID: <51s7fl$2qt@bug.rahul.net> References: <3241952F.7C84@hitechworld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Rainier Anthony B. Pineda (rainier@hitechworld.com) wrote: : Does anybody know where to get or download Kermit executable for HP3000 : running MPE? Kermit is available on the Internet via anonymous ftp from host watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2] http://www.columbia.edu/kermit kermit/read.me kermit/bin/read.me explain file locations. MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC with DOS or Windows: kermit/bin/msvibm.zip. FTP in binary mode, unzip on your PC. C-Kermit for UNIX: kermit/bin/cku190.tar.Z. FTP in binary mode, uncompress, untar, then "make" the appropriate version. Read the makefile for instructions. UNIX C-Kermit binary kermit/bin/ckuker.unixware PC/386 or higher, Univel UnixWare There are a bunch of pre-compiled binaries. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 20 10:55:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17349 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA11946 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!bcc.ac.uk!robert.cc.ucl.ac.uk!user From: r.clark@ucl.ac.uk (Robert Clark) Subject: Windows NT flicker with NT4 and K95 Sender: news@ucl.ac.uk (Usenet News System) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:37:56 GMT Organization: University College London Lines: 13 Subject says it all. Every keystroke makes the the kermit window flicker unacceptably. We understand that NT video drivers are robust rather than fast, but we do not get this flicker with other netware aware applications e.g. Netscape, telnet etc. so do not really understand why kermit 95 has this strange effect. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. -- Robert I. A. Clark BA MA MSc DIC MBCS User Support Manager Information Systems Division University College London, Gower Street, London WC1E 6BT Tel (+44) 0171 - 380 7232 Fax (+44) 0171 - 388 5406 Email r.clark@ucl.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 20 11:50:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25793 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14125 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 11:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows NT flicker with NT4 and K95 Date: 20 Sep 1996 11:50:37 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <51uegd$p5q@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Robert Clark wrote: : Subject says it all. Every keystroke makes the the kermit window flicker : unacceptably. We understand that NT video drivers are robust rather than : fast, but we do not get this flicker with other netware aware applications : e.g. Netscape, telnet etc. so do not really understand why kermit 95 has : this strange effect. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. : The annoying flicker does not happen on most NT configurations -- it is specific to certain video configurations. Unlike Netscape and Microsoft Telnet, Kermit 95 is a console application, and this is how the NT video driver implements console-window screen paints. Although some relief may be obtained from tinkering with your video drivers or configurations, the real solution is to convert Kermit 95 to a GUI application. We're working on it. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 20 12:05:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27340 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA14995 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.IT.net!usenet From: "icoge@pn.itnet.it" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 and INT14 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:20:32 +0100 Organization: ITnet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3242C450.4035@pn.itnet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: cago001.pn.itnet.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b7 (WinNT; I) We're using INSYNC ModemShare for modem sharing and we're looking for a terminal emulator for Windows 95 / Windows NT over INT14. Kermit 95 supports INT14 ? Thanks a lot in advance ! Armando Stroppari icoge@pn.itnet.it From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 20 12:13:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28368 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA15489 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and INT14 Date: 20 Sep 1996 16:12:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <51ufpt$oij@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3242C450.4035@pn.itnet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3242C450.4035@pn.itnet.it>, icoge@pn.itnet.it wrote: : We're using INSYNC ModemShare for modem sharing and we're looking for a : terminal emulator for Windows 95 / Windows NT over INT14. : Kermit 95 supports INT14 ? : Kermit 95 is a 32-bit Windows application and as such, uses Windows drivers for accessing the communication devices, as all 32-bit Windows applications must do. If your modem sharing product has a driver that looks like a communications-device driver and does not require a custom API, then Kermit 95 can use it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 20 12:23:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29599 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA16156 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.cftnet.com!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows NT flicker with NT4 and K95 Date: 20 Sep 1996 16:02:03 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 14 Message-ID: <51uf5s$b6o@bug.rahul.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Robert Clark (r.clark@ucl.ac.uk) wrote: : Subject says it all. Every keystroke makes the the kermit window flicker : unacceptably. We understand that NT video drivers are robust rather than : fast, but we do not get this flicker with other netware aware applications : e.g. Netscape, telnet etc. so do not really understand why kermit 95 has : this strange effect. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. I forget the reasoning, but there is an option set terminal screen-update smooth -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 20 13:43:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13215 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA21150 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows NT flicker with NT4 and K95 Date: 20 Sep 1996 17:42:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <51ul2h$rdq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <51uf5s$b6o@bug.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <51uf5s$b6o@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: : Robert Clark (r.clark@ucl.ac.uk) wrote: : : Subject says it all. Every keystroke makes the the kermit window flicker : : unacceptably. We understand that NT video drivers are robust rather than : : fast, but we do not get this flicker with other netware aware applications : : e.g. Netscape, telnet etc. so do not really understand why kermit 95 has : : this strange effect. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. : : I forget the reasoning, but there is an option : set terminal screen-update smooth The FAST and SMOOTH options allow the user to choose which algorithm is used to update the screen when new data arrives from the host. Everytime a byte arrives from the host it is processed by an incoming data thread. If it results in a screen write, an internal screen buffer is updated. And a dirty flag is set. When using the FAST algorithm, the screen buffer is copied to the physical screen on a timer thereby allowing the maximum data throughput from the host to occur regardless of the speed of the video drivers. This is the default. The negative aspect of this method is that on really fast connections it is possible for some screen writes to never make it to the screen. The SMOOTH option says to copy the screen buffer to the window everytime the dirty flag is set. This results in much slower data handling, and a potentially significant increase in the number of screen writes. In other words, it would only make the problem worse. In the Control Panel either on the Display object or the System Object, there is a performance page which allows you to set the Video Acceleration properties. Make sure this is set to use full acceleration. The reason that the flickering is occuring is that the video driver is not performing a comparison between what is already on the screen and what it is being asked to write. So it paints the entire window (which takes time) even when it doesn't have to. When acceleration is on (and supported by the driver) minimal screen paints occur. The only flickering you should see in this case is the mouse pointer, since it is turned off and on, before and after each console screen paint. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 20 13:58:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14636 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA21989 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!pacifier!mikef From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ascertaining Mode from a Script Date: 20 Sep 1996 16:56:00 GMT Organization: Pacifier Online Data Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <51uib0$311@news.pacifier.com> References: <51sdld$bt7@news.pacifier.com> <51segp$3p1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pacifier.com In article <51segp$3p1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >: >Both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit have a variable: > > \v(connection) > >whose values are "remote" or "local". > Thank you. Most handy. I also discovered by experimentation that, in C-Kermit, at least, there is also a variable \v(local) which takes on the value 0 when C-Kermit is transferring files over the controlling terminal and 1 when C-Kermit is transferring files over an external line, i.e., is in "local" mode when at the C-Kermit prompt. Live and learn. -- MIke Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com Amateur Radio Calsign: K7UIJ | */ PGP Public Key Available */ .. Experience varies directly with equipment ruined. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 22 03:53:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA08605 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 03:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA13694 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 03:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: plamour@gatekeeper.tss.net (Peter Lamoure) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: $$COULD YOU USE A LOTTA XTRA CASH?$$ Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 07:41:50 GMT Organization: TSS Lines: 2 Message-ID: <522qjt$1d9@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: plamour@gatekeeper.tss.net NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca22-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 22 2:41:49 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Mary Had A Little Lamb: 9878999, 888, 999, 9878999, 88987 From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 22 09:57:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16229 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 09:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA20793 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 09:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!geekcancel!ix.netcom.com!news From: plamour@gatekeeper.tss.net (Peter Lamoure) Sender: plamour@gatekeeper.tss.net (Peter Lamoure) Approved: plamour@tss.net (Peter Lamoure) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 21 Sep 96 12:21:12 GMT Subject: cmsg cancel <522qjt$1d9@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> Organization: TSS Control: cancel <522qjt$1d9@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Lines: 4 These cancels are issued as a service to the Internet providers not wishing to carry articles from computer geeks and eggheads. 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From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 22 21:34:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05983 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA03269 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.stealth.net!news.dorsai.org!news.dorsai.org!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Stay Date: 22 Sep 1996 17:42:35 -0400 Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC 11357-3436-287 USA Lines: 10 Message-ID: <524bsb$43p@dorsai.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: dorsai.dorsai.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have a logon sequence for dorsai and I can log in by saying "mskermit dorsai" to DOS. But when I hit alt-x, it takes me back to DOS. I tried "mskermit dorsai,stay" and it behaves the same way. What am I doing wrong? -- Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bioengineer-Financier, NYC Bach-Mozart ReaganQuayleGramm Evrytano-Kastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFinanc&Indus [vjp2@mcimail.com , vjp2@CIS.CompuServe.Com, vjp2@dorsai.org] ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 23 00:11:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18995 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 00:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA12810 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 00:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!news.adelaide.on.net!news.camtech.com.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.netware.connectivity,comp.protocols.ppp Subject: SLIP_PPP, second call for help Date: 23 Sep 1996 10:36:55 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 149 Message-ID: <524nrf$5r8@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5939 comp.os.netware.connectivity:18621 comp.protocols.ppp:17347 This is a second call for help on this matter with some cross-posting: I've been able to bring up a PPP using LSL and SLIP_PPP.COM by the following sequence: LSL running MSK 3.15b8 to manually log on SLIP_PPP E SLIP_PPP S but have been getting the error message "Cannot access IP packets" if I run MSK 3.15b8 and attempt to set port tcp/ip and connect. LSL.COM identifies itself as: NetWare Link Support Layer v2.14 (941011) and SLIP_PPP.COM ? shows: Novell Asynchronous SLIP_PPP Driver Dual-Mode (R42-8a, 941103) Copyright (c) 1992 Novell, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Available command line options: SLIP_PPP -Installs the MLID SLIP_PPP D -Selects DIX [Thick] Connector SLIP_PPP U -Removes resident MLID from memory SLIP_PPP E -Uses the serial PORT exclusively SLIP_PPP ? -Displays this help screen SLIP_PPP [n] S -Starts PPP option negotiation SLIP_PPP [n] T -Terminates PPP link connection SLIP_PPP [n] C -Displays PPP configurations SLIP_PPP [n] R -Reports PPP statistics net.cfg: Protocol KERMIT Bind SLIP_PPP LINK SUPPORT BUFFERS 8 1500 MEMPOOL 4096 LINK DRIVER SLIP_PPP FRAME PPP ACCM 00000000 INT 3 # Set for your modem interrupt PORT 2F8 # Set for your modem port TCPIPComp VJ COMMOWNER NO # NO is the default -- Window's only ; DIRECT YES BAUD 38400 OPEN ACTIVE PCOMP YES ACCOMP YES Protocol PPP 0800 PPP << alternative, with PPP mscustom.ini: GOTO GO ; FILE MSCUSTOM.INI ; :GO if < \v(version) 314 - stop 1 - This MSCUSTOM.INI file may be used only with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or later. ; check term if fail forward XFER set terminal apc on ; Uncomment to enable this feature. :XFER COMMENT - Sample file transfer preferences. ; set block 3 ; 16-bit CRC for strong error checking. set window 4 ; 4 Window slots. set receive packet-length 2000 ; Packet length is governed by receiver. set control prefix all ; Prefix all control characters. ; Macros for transferring files in text and binary mode... ; define bsend binary, send \%1 \%2 ; SEND in binary mode define tsend text, send \%1 \%2 ; SEND in text mode define bget binary, get \%1 ; GET in binary mode define tget text, get \%1 ; GET in text mode COMMENT - TCP/IP network configuration. ; check tcp if fail forward notcp ; SET TCP/IP host 202.14.187.124 SET TCP/IP PACKET ODI SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 202.14.187.129 ; My PC's numeric IP address SET TCP/IP SUBNETMASK 255.255.255.224 ; My physical network's subnet mask SET TCP/IP DOMAIN cswamp.dircsa.org.au ; My PC's fully qualified domain name SET TCP/IP GATEWAY 202.14.187.122 ; My network gateway's IP address SET TCP/IP PRIMARY-NAMESERVER 202.14.187.122 ; Primary nameserver's address ; SET TCP/IP SECONDARY-NAMESERVER 123.123.123.3 ; fallback nameserver address SET TCP/IP BROADCAST 255.255.255.255 ; My network's broadcast address ; define myhost - telnet myhost 23 vt320,- if success assign myhost telnet \v(session) :NOTCP ; ; Add your own macro definitions, key settings, color selections, etc, here, ; for example: set modem hayes ; Change this to your modem type, see MODEMS\READ.ME. set printer nul ; Uncomment this if you do NOT have a printer. ;set port fossil 2 ; Change if desired. If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR. set port 2 set speed 38400 ; Change if desired. set flow rts/cts ; Change to RTS/CTS if modem is configured for this. ;set port tcp/ip check term if fail end 0 set term type vt320 ; Change this if desired. set term bytesize 8 ; Change to 8 if desired. set term color 0 34 47 ; Terminal screen fore- and background colors. set term under 0 33 47 ; Underscore simulation colors. take \v(inidir)keyboard\vt300.ini ; Uncomment for full VT320 key mappings. echo back at MSCUSTOM.INI SET TERMINAL EXPANDED-MEMORY OFF set key \270 \8 set key \2457 \Kupscn set key \2465 \Kdnscn c ; (End of MSCUSTOM.INI) Any suggestions? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 23 07:41:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10651 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 07:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA21716 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 07:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.intercall.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!rockyd!cmcl2!news.nyu.edu!nobody From: tick@jespersen.cs.nyu.edu (Leo J. Tick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit and att 375 tpc Date: 23 Sep 1996 03:50:29 -0400 Organization: New York University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <525fg5$t2r@jespersen.cs.nyu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jespersen.cs.nyu.edu I am having trouple trying to use kermit (ms or os/2) on an att 375tpc on com3 (everything is ok with ext modem on com1). Com3 is part of an elaborate comm card. The manual says to use Com3 for other software to use the modem which is part of this card. Using dos and msk, I can get the set port 3 command to go through after the command SET COM3 \x2e8. I tried various irq's in the above but to no avail. It seems to me that if is set cd off and do an out atdt, I should hear the modem go off hook regardless of the irq setting. But so far nada. Any suggestions or actions that may prove enlightening. Thanks From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 23 10:12:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27558 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA27652 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!skypoint.com!not-for-mail From: escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Greek character question Date: 23 Sep 1996 09:10:46 -0500 Organization: SkyPoint Communications Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5265p6$78s@mirage.skypoint.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mirage.skypoint.net I was using MS-Kermit 4.15 beta 8 last night. I ran into the following problem (which probably has nothing to do with the beta). I used Kermit as a terminal emulator connected to a telnet session to a UNIX system running Lynx. Some web server fed me a page that went crazy, and send a stream of garbage characters. When I closed the connection, and connected to something else, when I tried to log in, I got Greek characters and line draw characters. I tried to see where to look to reset the character mapping, but I couldn't find anything obvious. I tried to close the session, but close session didn't seem to do anything. My active and current sessions stayed active and current. (I had two sessions.) I eventually just exited Kermit and started over. I would like to know what I could have done to change the mode my terminal emulation was in. (For that matter, I'd like to know how to find out what mode my terminal emulation was in.) Thanks for all your work. David S. Cargo From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 23 10:24:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29073 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA27892 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!skypoint.com!not-for-mail From: escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit wish list Date: 23 Sep 1996 09:22:31 -0500 Organization: SkyPoint Communications Inc. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <5266f7$8nv@mirage.skypoint.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mirage.skypoint.net Here's a wish list of features I wish MS-DOS Kermit had. These are all things that would make life easier for me. Whether other people would need them, I don't know, but here's their chance to say. 1) During multifile get and put, I wish there was a way of stopping the transfer after the current file is completed. We have several ways of stopping NOW, but none for stopping after the current file has been successfully transmitted. 2) An easy way of knowing if a terminal session is being recorded. After the ^], we can toggle recording, but it's not always clear if recording is on or not. I'd like this on the status line, but having it on the screen with the ^] would work too. 3) A way of locking the keyboard during transfers. I use my machine for long, unattended transfers. I also have cats that walk over the keyboard. It would be helpful if there was a way, even a simple one, where the keyboard would not react to the Z, E, C, and other keyboard commands active during transfers if the keyboard was in a locked state. The lock state could be a toggle; probably a control or alt key sequence would be best, since the chances of random paw presses getting it is small. 4) The screen during file transfers currently shows the number of retries. The show statistics screen doesn't really spell out why retries were needed. However many reasons there are for needing a retry (nack, timeout, whatever), I'd like to see reflected on the statistics screen. Each cause is generally a different type of network problem; I'd like to know what part of the network to focus my attention on. None of this is to say that Kermit in general, and MS-DOS Kermit in particular isn't great as it is. I have my own operating environment, and it has its own needs that might not be mainstream. Still, it might have problems in common with others that might be worth addressing. David S. Cargo From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 23 10:51:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18433 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA28565 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Greek character question Date: 23 Sep 1996 14:51:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <52685e$nq4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5265p6$78s@mirage.skypoint.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <5265p6$78s@mirage.skypoint.com>, David S Cargo wrote: : I was using MS-Kermit 4.15 beta 8 last night. I ran into the following : problem (which probably has nothing to do with the beta). I used Kermit : as a terminal emulator connected to a telnet session to a UNIX system : running Lynx. Some web server fed me a page that went crazy, and send : a stream of garbage characters. When I closed the connection, and : connected to something else, when I tried to log in, I got Greek characters : and line draw characters. I tried to see where to look to reset : the character mapping, but I couldn't find anything obvious. I tried : to close the session, but close session didn't seem to do anything. : My active and current sessions stayed active and current. (I had two : sessions.) : : I eventually just exited Kermit and started over. : : I would like to know what I could have done to change the mode my : terminal emulation was in. (For that matter, I'd like to know how : to find out what mode my terminal emulation was in.) : This is not a Kermit problem -- it would also happen with a real VT220 or 320. The host sends (or noise comes as) character-set invocation and designation sequences, and Kermit does what these commands say to do, just as a real terminal would. Luckily, it is somewhat easier to reset Kermit's VT emulator than it is to reset a real VT terminal. Just use Alt-= (hold down Alt key, press equals-sign key). As to finding out what mode the emulator is in... Well, "show terminal" gives you most of it, but it would not have helped in this case because here we really need to know what is in G0, G1, G2, and G3, and how they are mapped to GL and GR; MS-DOS Kermit's "show terminal" screen does not include this info, since it would only scare most people. It's best to just get the terminal back into a known and stable state with Alt-=. : Thanks for all your work. : You're welcome :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 23 11:06:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28448 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA28953 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit wish list Date: 23 Sep 1996 15:06:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 72 Message-ID: <52691m$ob7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5266f7$8nv@mirage.skypoint.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <5266f7$8nv@mirage.skypoint.com>, David S Cargo wrote: : Here's a wish list of features I wish MS-DOS Kermit had. These : are all things that would make life easier for me. Whether other : people would need them, I don't know, but here's their chance to say. : : 1) During multifile get and put, I wish there was a way of stopping : the transfer after the current file is completed. We have several : ways of stopping NOW, but none for stopping after the current file : has been successfully transmitted. : Good idea. I'll add it to the list of good ideas :-) : 2) An easy way of knowing if a terminal session is being recorded. : After the ^], we can toggle recording, but it's not always clear : if recording is on or not. I'd like this on the status line, but : having it on the screen with the ^] would work too. : Agreed. There is no end of things that would be nice to have in the status line, but presently this is not shown. Another good idea for the list. : 3) A way of locking the keyboard during transfers. I use my machine : for long, unattended transfers. I also have cats that walk over the : keyboard. It would be helpful if there was a way, even a simple one, : where the keyboard would not react to the Z, E, C, and other keyboard : commands active during transfers if the keyboard was in a locked state. : The lock state could be a toggle; probably a control or alt key : sequence would be best, since the chances of random paw presses getting : it is small. : You'd be surprised how quickly cats pick up on these things... Another item for the list, but in the meantime you can work around by pulling the wire out of your keyboard. Cats may be clever, but they don't have hands with opposing thumbs :-) : 4) The screen during file transfers currently shows the number of : retries. The show statistics screen doesn't really spell out why : retries were needed. However many reasons there are for needing a : retry (nack, timeout, whatever), I'd like to see reflected on the : statistics screen. Each cause is generally a different type of : network problem; I'd like to know what part of the network to focus : my attention on. : Well... the cause of a packet error is rarely obvious. For example, a timeout could occur because (a) an expected packet was delayed and did not arrive within the timeout interval, or (b) it did arrive but it was badly damaged by noise or other interference that it was not recognizable as a packet. The latter, in turn, could be caused by actual noise, or by a lack of effective flow control, or (in the case of PCs) by interrupt conflicts or side effects. C-Kermit, by the way, shows tallies of different categories of errors. MS-DOS Kermit does most of what C-Kermit does (and a lot of things it doesn't do), but MS-DOS Kermit has got to fit in those low 640K with plenty of space left over, whereas C-Kermit -- at least in 32-bit (or higher) virtual memory environments -- is free to grow (i.e. add features) almost without bound. When you think about it, it is nothing short of amazing how many features MS-DOS Kermit packs into such a small disk and memory footprint. : None of this is to say that Kermit in general, and MS-DOS Kermit : in particular isn't great as it is. I have my own operating : environment, and it has its own needs that might not be mainstream. : Still, it might have problems in common with others that might be : worth addressing. : Thanks! : David S. Cargo : - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 23 16:42:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05996 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA07148 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!chi-news.cic.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and INT14 Date: 23 Sep 1996 19:55:04 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 25 Message-ID: <526puo$m51@bug.rahul.net> References: <3242C450.4035@pn.itnet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] icoge@pn.itnet.it (icoge@pn.itnet.it) wrote: : We're using INSYNC ModemShare for modem sharing and we're looking for a : terminal emulator for Windows 95 / Windows NT over INT14. : Kermit 95 supports INT14 ? In addition to INT14, our HP modem server provides a windows driver. We've used it with Win3.11, but I have not tried it yet with K95, as all of the Win95 machines have local modems... Look for something other than Int14 to use with your Modem Sharing device under Windows. Int14 is a DOS-only kludge, and not a particularly graceful one at that. On the other hand, the MSDOS kermit does support Int14. I have used it to connect to NVT.EXE, running on a Unixware box. I have also used MSDOS Kermit to talk to local modems under Win95. I have not used Int14 under Win95... Are you sure that works? The best solution is Win95, Kermit 95, and a Win95 driver that will access your modem pool. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 24 00:18:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22618 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 00:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA17727 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 00:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!skypoint.com!not-for-mail From: escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Another suggestion for an improvement Date: 23 Sep 1996 22:05:26 -0500 Organization: SkyPoint Communications Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <527j5m$27j@mirage.skypoint.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mirage.skypoint.net I don't know how you implement this improvement, but it came to mind so I thought I would mention it. It would be really nice if there were an "apropos" command. I first came across one from Multics, and some emacs implementations have one. Basically you might go "apropos terminal" and all the commands that mention terminal get listed. The ? method for getting details on commands works if you are unsure about the details of a command, but if you don't know what the command is, it's hard to ask for details. One implementation that could be done outside of kermit is to just have a file that lists all the commands. Anybody needing it could push to DOS and use find. If this resource already exists, I'd be happy to be informed. David S. Cargo From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 24 08:28:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA14052 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA18407 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!flip.eecs.umich.edu!not-for-mail From: chrismc@flip.eecs.umich.edu (Chris McCormack) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit wish list Date: 24 Sep 1996 12:20:04 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Lines: 14 Message-ID: <528jlk$dog@news.eecs.umich.edu> References: <5266f7$8nv@mirage.skypoint.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: flip.eecs.umich.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] David S Cargo (escargo@skypoint.com) wrote: : 3) A way of locking the keyboard during transfers. I use my machine : for long, unattended transfers. I also have cats that walk over the : keyboard. It would be helpful if there was a way, even a simple one, : where the keyboard would not react to the Z, E, C, and other keyboard : commands active during transfers if the keyboard was in a locked state. : The lock state could be a toggle; probably a control or alt key : sequence would be best, since the chances of random paw presses getting : it is small. This sounds like a great use for the lock most people have on the front of their computers. If I remember correctly, turning the key to the locked position disables the keyboard. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 24 08:51:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00689 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA18979 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!foxhound.dsto.gov.au!fang.dsto.defence.gov.au!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.com.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.netware.connectivity,comp.protocols.ppp Subject: Re: SLIP_PPP, second call for help Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.netware.connectivity,comp.protocols.ppp Date: 24 Sep 1996 12:51:07 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 73 Message-ID: <527k33$5bc@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <524nrf$5r8@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5948 comp.os.netware.connectivity:18702 comp.protocols.ppp:17372 molzahn@mira.cc.umanitoba.ca (Frank Molzahn, U MB dynamic IP) suggested: The SLIP_PPP part of your NET.CFG should contain the following lines: ipaddr 202.14.187.129 Protocol IP 0800 PPP I think it is the 2nd line here that is especially causing the problem. Note that the first parameter is IP, not PPP as you have it. Hope this helps. Following on from this suggestion, my net.cfg now reads: Protocol KERMIT Bind SLIP_PPP LINK SUPPORT BUFFERS 8 1500 MEMPOOL 4096 LINK DRIVER SLIP_PPP FRAME PPP ACCM FFFFFFFF ; 00000000 INT 3 # Set for your modem interrupt PORT 2F8 # Set for your modem port TCPIPComp VJ COMMOWNER YES # NO is the default -- Window's only ; DIRECT YES BAUD 38400 OPEN ACTIVE PCOMP YES ACCOMP YES Protocol IP 0800 PPP # << alternative, with PPP and when connected I get: Novell Asynchronous SLIP_PPP Driver Dual-Mode (R42-8a, 941103) Copyright (c) 1992 Novell, Inc. All Rights Reserved. SLIP_PPP PPP Configuration: LCP State - OPENED Local Remote MRU 1500 296 ACCM FFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF ACCOMP YES YES PCOMP YES YES Magic Number ---- A0425FFB PAP State - CLOSED IPCP State - OPENED Local Remote IP address CA0EBB81 CA0EBB7C TCPIPCOMP VJ 16 1 VJ 16 1 and MSK is able to establish a telnet connection. However, although pings from the Unix machine to the PC running SLIP_PPP work fine, characters sent from MSK's telnet session are getting delayed between the PC running SLIP_PPP and the modem for a long time, preventing useful interactive sessions. Is there a way to change the Local MRU above to say 296, and are there any other possibilities for addressing this problem? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 24 09:30:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07088 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 09:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA19969 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 09:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another suggestion for an improvement Date: 24 Sep 1996 13:29:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <528no8$p3j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <527j5m$27j@mirage.skypoint.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <527j5m$27j@mirage.skypoint.com>, David S Cargo wrote: : I don't know how you implement this improvement, but it came to mind so I : thought I would mention it. It would be really nice if there were an : "apropos" command. I first came across one from Multics, and some emacs : implementations have one. Basically you might go "apropos terminal" and : all the commands that mention terminal get listed. The ? method for : getting details on commands works if you are unsure about the details of a : command, but if you don't know what the command is, it's hard to ask for : details. : Another good idea, but not in the cards for MS-DOS Kermit (which can't afford to have built-in help text for each command due to memory limitations) and too late for C-Kermit 6.0, but added to the (long, long, long) list for a future release. : One implementation that could be done outside of kermit is to just have : a file that lists all the commands. Anybody needing it could push to : DOS and use find. If this resource already exists, I'd be happy to : be informed. : The KERMIT.HLP on the MS-DOS Kermit diskette gives a brief description of each command. More complete descriptions of most commands, of course, are to be found in the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 24 11:56:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01378 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23717 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!skypoint.com!not-for-mail From: escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another suggestion for an improvement Date: 24 Sep 1996 10:18:55 -0500 Organization: SkyPoint Communications Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <528u4v$nd3@mirage.skypoint.com> References: <527j5m$27j@mirage.skypoint.com> <528no8$p3j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mirage.skypoint.net In article <528no8$p3j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <527j5m$27j@mirage.skypoint.com>, >David S Cargo wrote: > >: One implementation that could be done outside of kermit is to just have >: a file that lists all the commands. Anybody needing it could push to >: DOS and use find. If this resource already exists, I'd be happy to >: be informed. >: >The KERMIT.HLP on the MS-DOS Kermit diskette gives a brief description of >each command. More complete descriptions of most commands, of course, are >to be found in the manual. > >- Frank That's too obvious for me, I'm afraid. I missed that completely. Next time I have a problem, I'll just push to DOS and read KERMIT.HLP with Epsilon. I wasn't expecting a solution in kermit.exe; I knew in my heart of hearts that there was unlikely to be room. One problem with Kermit, I guess, is that it works so well once it is working that it's so seldom necessary to read the documentation that you forget what's there to read. dsc From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 24 12:19:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04819 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA24247 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another suggestion for an improvement Date: 24 Sep 1996 16:19:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <5291m6$mi3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <527j5m$27j@mirage.skypoint.com> <528no8$p3j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <528u4v$nd3@mirage.skypoint.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <528u4v$nd3@mirage.skypoint.com>, David S Cargo wrote: : ... : One problem with Kermit, I guess, is that it works so well once : it is working that it's so seldom necessary to read the documentation : that you forget what's there to read. : Thanks (on behalf of all of us who have contributed to the Kermit project, including you :-) As Kermit becomes more and more a vehicle for automation, and its script programming languages becomes more and more powerful, manuals become more and more important -- just as they are for programmers in C, TeX, LISP, Java or other languages -- by not just listing each command and what it does, but also introducing the topics of variables, functions, programming, i/o, and so on, and illustrating each concept with examples. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 24 13:58:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21561 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA26405 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another suggestion for an improvement Message-ID: <1996Sep24.095656.85356@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Sep 96 09:56:56 MDT References: <527j5m$27j@mirage.skypoint.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 In article <527j5m$27j@mirage.skypoint.com>, escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) writes: > I don't know how you implement this improvement, but it came to mind so I > thought I would mention it. It would be really nice if there were an > "apropos" command. I first came across one from Multics, and some emacs > implementations have one. Basically you might go "apropos terminal" and > all the commands that mention terminal get listed. The ? method for > getting details on commands works if you are unsure about the details of a > command, but if you don't know what the command is, it's hard to ask for > details. > > One implementation that could be done outside of kermit is to just have > a file that lists all the commands. Anybody needing it could push to > DOS and use find. If this resource already exists, I'd be happy to > be informed. ----------- I think our response would be "read the fine manual", in this case the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit", details of which are given on screen two of the MSK Help command. The quantity of text (i.e., program size) involved in a cross referenced help system is just too large. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 24 13:59:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21632 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA26418 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit wish list Message-ID: <1996Sep24.095354.85355@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Sep 96 09:53:54 MDT References: <5266f7$8nv@mirage.skypoint.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 In article <5266f7$8nv@mirage.skypoint.com>, escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) writes: > Here's a wish list of features I wish MS-DOS Kermit had. These > are all things that would make life easier for me. Whether other > people would need them, I don't know, but here's their chance to > say. > > 1) During multifile get and put, I wish there was a way of stopping > the transfer after the current file is completed. We have several > ways of stopping NOW, but none for stopping after the current file > has been successfully transmitted. Hmmm, a useful idea. We'll consider that one. > 2) An easy way of knowing if a terminal session is being recorded. > After the ^], we can toggle recording, but it's not always clear > if recording is on or not. I'd like this on the status line, but > having it on the screen with the ^] would work too. The status line is pretty full already. I'll consider the matter, however. The present technique is quit the file group after the last wanted file. > 3) A way of locking the keyboard during transfers. I use my machine > for long, unattended transfers. I also have cats that walk over the > keyboard. It would be helpful if there was a way, even a simple one, > where the keyboard would not react to the Z, E, C, and other keyboard > commands active during transfers if the keyboard was in a locked state. > The lock state could be a toggle; probably a control or alt key > sequence would be best, since the chances of random paw presses getting > it is small. I'm afraid this is a problem for the system manager (the cats) and their worker (you). > 4) The screen during file transfers currently shows the number of > retries. The show statistics screen doesn't really spell out why > retries were needed. However many reasons there are for needing a > retry (nack, timeout, whatever), I'd like to see reflected on the > statistics screen. Each cause is generally a different type of > network problem; I'd like to know what part of the network to focus > my attention on. There are many reasons, as you say, but the Kermit protocol stack is blithely unaware of almost all. The reason is, "doesn't work" really does mean "doesn't work" and the lower level workers tried as hard as they could before giving up. Thus the higher layers can do nothing about the matter other than either retransmit or quit. There is no cascasding upward of failure details (because there is no need if a lower level workers have done all they could). To solve "networking" problems typically requires other tools. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 24 15:13:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02904 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA28195 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.x,dc.org.linux-users,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Seyon with kermit ? Date: 24 Sep 1996 19:13:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-ID: <529bst$1bs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5274pd$a90@news.jhu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:147526 comp.os.linux.x:47411 dc.org.linux-users:1345 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5954 In article <5274pd$a90@news.jhu.edu>, Dzung Pham wrote: : Does anybody have their version of Seyon set up to do kermit transfers? : I've tried using a simple 'kermit -r' in my protocols file but that doesn't : seem to work. : I've never even seen Seyon, but: 1. The current version of C-Kermit for Linux is 5A(190), soon to be replaced by 6.0, which is in Beta test. 2. I assume you are dialing or Telnet'ing out with Seyon. In that case, you have to pass the file descriptor that Seyon is using for the connection along to Kermit, using "-j n", where n is the numeric file descriptor (for a serial connection) or "-F n" (for a Telnet connection). If Seyon does not give you a way to access and pass along the file descriptor, but it starts up the Kermit program with its standard i/o redirected to its (Seyon's) communications file descriptor, you can also experiment with the following method, which worked here in brief tests on SunOS. Instead of having Seyon use "kermit -r" or "kermit -s filename" as its Kermit protocol commands, use something like this: For serial connections: kermit -YqQj 0 -r <-- to receive kermit -YqQj 0 -s filename(s) <-- to send one or more files For Telnet connections: kermit -YqQF 0 -r <-- to receive kermit -YqQF 0 -s filename(s) <-- to send one or more files Command line options: Y - skip executing the init file Q - use fast file transfer settings j 0 - transfer files using file descriptor 0 for a serial connection F 0 - transfer files using file descriptor 0 for a Telnet connection q - quiet - no messages r - receive s - send Version 6.0 is required for Q and F. You can find the current 6.0 Beta at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/cku192.tar.gz (or .Z) Uncompress, untar, "make linux" (or whatever). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 24 15:33:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06975 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA28737 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!fozzie.mercury.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!news.jhu.edu!mashie.ece.jhu.edu!pham From: pham@mashie.ece.jhu.edu (Dzung Pham) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,jhu.hac.unix Subject: Using Seyon (Linux) with Kermit Date: 23 Sep 1996 23:02:57 GMT Organization: National Research Council of Canada Lines: 18 Sender: pham@jhu.edu Message-ID: <5274v1$ai3@news.jhu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.220.14.26 Hello, I'm using the Seyon terminal program with Linux and I was wondering if anybody has set it up to use kermit as an external file transfer protocol. I have tried simply using 'kermit -r' in my protocols file to receive files but have been unsuccessful. Thanks, -- Dzung ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dzung Luu Pham | E-mail: pham@jhu.edu | WWW: http://iacl.ece.jhu.edu/~pham Johns Hopkins University | ECE Dept | Image Analysis & Communications Lab National Institute on Aging | Laboratory of Personality & Cognition ============================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 24 16:26:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15862 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA29983 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.x,dc.org.linux-users,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Seyon with kermit ? Date: 24 Sep 1996 20:25:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <529g4b$3rl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5274pd$a90@news.jhu.edu> <529bst$1bs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:147539 comp.os.linux.x:47416 dc.org.linux-users:1346 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5956 In article <529bst$1bs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : ... : 2. I assume you are dialing or Telnet'ing out with Seyon. In that case, : you have to pass the file descriptor that Seyon is using for the : connection along to Kermit, using "-j n", where n is the numeric : file descriptor (for a serial connection) or "-F n" (for a Telnet : connection). : Sorry, that should be "-l n", not "-j n". : If Seyon does not give you a way to access and pass along the file : descriptor, but it starts up the Kermit program with its standard i/o : redirected to its (Seyon's) communications file descriptor, you can also : experiment with the following method, which worked here in brief tests on : SunOS. Instead of having Seyon use "kermit -r" or "kermit -s filename" as : its Kermit protocol commands, use something like this: : : For serial connections: : : kermit -YqQj 0 -r <-- to receive : kermit -YqQj 0 -s filename(s) <-- to send one or more files : Again, that should be "-l", not "-j": kermit -YqQl 0 -r <-- to receive kermit -YqQl 0 -s filename(s) <-- to send one or more files : Command line options: : ... : l 0 - transfer files using file descriptor 0 for a serial connection : F 0 - transfer files using file descriptor 0 for a Telnet connection : Note: "l", not "j". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 24 17:37:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27759 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA01822 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!news.jhu.edu!robodude From: robodude@prometheus.rad.jhu.edu (Zsolt Szabo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,jhu.hac.unix Subject: Re: Using Seyon (Linux) with Kermit Date: 24 Sep 1996 02:27:45 GMT Organization: Prometheus Lines: 17 Message-ID: <527gv1$7cc@news.jhu.edu> References: <5274v1$ai3@news.jhu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.220.77.129 In article <5274v1$ai3@news.jhu.edu>, Dzung Pham wrote: >Hello, > >I'm using the Seyon terminal program with Linux and I was wondering if >anybody has set it up to use kermit as an external file transfer protocol. >I have tried simply using 'kermit -r' in my protocols file to receive files >but have been unsuccessful. > Why don't you just use kermit itself? -- __ //sys 64738-code must always be as tight as possible! -/_)_ ( _ __) __)___ //URL=HTTP://jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu/~robodude __ One man's _/ \(_)_)_)_/(_/_/(-__//junk is another man's protoculture-Gen. Rolf Emmerson _____________________//Microsoft-free for 10 years and counting!_____________ From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 25 02:52:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA28574 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 02:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA15208 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 02:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!netcom.net.uk!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!news.voicenet.com!omni2!cmosley From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Another, another suggestion ... Date: 25 Sep 1996 05:51:34 GMT Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <52ah96$jvo@gnews2.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I am referring to mskermit. 1. Better command line editing at kermit prompt, move within command line and insert. 2. Ability to search rollback buffer. 3. Prettier `` control ] '' menu. : ) If #3. were fixed kermit could be beautiful in a functional/minimalist/stealth sort of way. I think kermit is great as is - especially: graphics capability, ease of creating & using macros, no unsightly pull down menus, thorough and accurate terminal emulations. Just the other day I searched for Hebrew and Cyrillic docs and used the ?fonts macros even though I couldn't understand a word, it looked great. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 25 02:53:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA28604 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 02:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA15221 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 02:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!swrinde!nntp.primenet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!nntp2.cerf.net!hacgate2.hac.com!news.delcoelect.com!not-for-mail From: c23st@eng.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit wish list Date: 25 Sep 1996 03:23:48 GMT Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 18 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <52a8k4$i3f@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> References: <5266f7$8nv@mirage.skypoint.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kocrsw06.delcoelect.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] David S Cargo (escargo@skypoint.com) wrote: : 3) A way of locking the keyboard during transfers. I use my machine : for long, unattended transfers. I also have cats that walk over the : keyboard. It would be helpful if there was a way, even a simple one, : where the keyboard would not react to the Z, E, C, and other keyboard : commands active during transfers if the keyboard was in a locked state. : The lock state could be a toggle; probably a control or alt key : sequence would be best, since the chances of random paw presses getting : it is small. Not if the cat uses EMACS. For vi cats, it's easy but EMACS trained cats can paw CTRL-]C like noone's business :-) Spiros -- Spiros Triantafyllopoulos Kokomo, IN 46902 (317) 451-0815 (8-322) Corporate Software Technology Email: c23st@eng.delcoelect.com Delco Electronics Corporation URL: http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~strianta/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 25 09:01:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11194 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA12437 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another, another suggestion ... Date: 25 Sep 1996 13:01:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 58 Message-ID: <52bafa$mnc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <52ah96$jvo@gnews2.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <52ah96$jvo@gnews2.voicenet.com>, Christopher Mosley wrote: : I am referring to mskermit. : : 1. Better command line editing at kermit prompt, move within command line : and insert. : Yes, this would be nice, but it would also be (a) rather expensive in terms of memory consumption (code, buffers), and (b) difficult to accomplish in the framework of MS-DOS Kermit's command parsing methods. By the way, the same request is often made for C-Kermit, and there the problems are different: usually it is a lack of direct access to the keyboard, so there is no way to tell that an arrow or function key has been pressed. : 2. Ability to search rollback buffer. : This would be nice too. Kermit 95 has this, but then for Kermit 95, "memory is not a problem". : 3. Prettier `` control ] '' menu. : ) : If #3. were fixed kermit could be beautiful in a : functional/minimalist/stealth sort of way. : MS-DOS Kermit was originally designed for portability to the many and varied DOS platforms of the early 1980s (Rainbow, HP-150, NEC APC, Victor 9000, Heath/Zenith 100, etc). Although we don't see too many non-IBM compatible PCs or DOS versions in the USA/UK/Europe any more, there are still more than a few of them elsewhere, particularly in Japan, where the "generic DOS" version of MS-DOS Kermit is still in use on (e.g.) Kanji-model Toshiba and other makes. (Even though the IBM PC version supports Kanji, it only works in DOS/V, not in the non-IBM-compatible versions of DOS used on some of the other Japanese PCs.) Thus the user interface code can't take advantage of anything that is IBM-PC-specific without sacrificing a segment of our user base. Therefore no technicolor Novell-style popup menus with herringbone backgrounds and shadows, etc. Not even arrow keys. This could change, conceivably, in the future, should all vestiges of non-IBM compatible PCs disappear from the planet. But we would still need to operate within the severe memory restrictions of the PC/DOS architecture. MS-DOS Kermit simply cannot afford to grow much bigger. : I think kermit is great as is - especially: graphics capability, : ease of creating & using macros, no unsightly pull down menus, thorough : and accurate terminal emulations. : : Just the other day I searched for Hebrew and Cyrillic docs and used the : ?fonts macros even though I couldn't understand a word, it looked great. : Believe it or not, people really use this stuff -- particularly in Russia and the other ex-Soviet Republics, Central Europe (Poland, etc), Israel, Western Europe, Japan, and China. To this day, Kermit is one of the only communications software packages that can be used effectively in many countries where English is not spoken. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 25 13:09:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10684 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA17902 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-e2a.gnn.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Greek character question Message-ID: <1996Sep25.095133.85528@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Sep 96 09:51:33 MDT References: <5265p6$78s@mirage.skypoint.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 In article <5265p6$78s@mirage.skypoint.com>, escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) writes: > I was using MS-Kermit 4.15 beta 8 last night. I ran into the following > problem (which probably has nothing to do with the beta). I used Kermit > as a terminal emulator connected to a telnet session to a UNIX system > running Lynx. Some web server fed me a page that went crazy, and send > a stream of garbage characters. When I closed the connection, and > connected to something else, when I tried to log in, I got Greek characters > and line draw characters. I tried to see where to look to reset > the character mapping, but I couldn't find anything obvious. I tried > to close the session, but close session didn't seem to do anything. > My active and current sessions stayed active and current. (I had two > sessions.) > > I eventually just exited Kermit and started over. > > I would like to know what I could have done to change the mode my > terminal emulation was in. (For that matter, I'd like to know how > to find out what mode my terminal emulation was in.) > > Thanks for all your work. > > David S. Cargo ---------- You needed to reset the terminal emulation, which is keyboard verb \Kreset, by default tied to ALT =. Terminal emulation at the VT300 level is almost entirely state machines, lots of them, and so there isn't a simple answer to the current mode. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 25 14:09:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19370 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA19446 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.island.net!usenet From: Dave Monkman Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for ultra-lite kermit implementation Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 11:00:28 -0700 Organization: Island Internet Inc. - (604) 753-2383 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3249733C.36C1@tradetec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn1.island.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) I am looking to implement kermit on a handheld computer w/ limited memory/disk storage. I would prefer to abstract existing code rather than re-invent the wheel. In order to accomplish this end, I am seeking source for a very simple kermit implementation (g,s,r,f,serv). Does anyone know of a good source? From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 25 15:04:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27865 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20846 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!news.voicenet.com!omni2!cmosley From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <52bv4e$sl9@gnews2.voicenet.com> Control: cancel <52bv4e$sl9@gnews2.voicenet.com> Date: 25 Sep 1996 19:00:11 GMT Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 1 Message-ID: <52bvfr$sl9@gnews2.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 25 15:06:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28064 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20906 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!news.voicenet.com!omni2!cmosley From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <52bv4e$sl9@gnews2.voicenet.com> Control: cancel <52bv4e$sl9@gnews2.voicenet.com> Date: 25 Sep 1996 19:02:22 GMT Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 1 Message-ID: <52bvju$sl9@gnews2.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 25 15:37:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03531 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21554 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!iag.net!news.misty.com!netaxs.com!news.voicenet.com!omni2!cmosley From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <52bv4e$sl9@gnews2.voicenet.com> Control: cancel <52bv4e$sl9@gnews2.voicenet.com> Date: 25 Sep 1996 19:00:57 GMT Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 1 Message-ID: <52bvh9$sl9@gnews2.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 25 16:27:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09568 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 16:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA22752 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 16:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!netcom.net.uk!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!news.voicenet.com!omni2!cmosley From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another, another suggestion ... Date: 25 Sep 1996 19:23:58 GMT Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 62 Message-ID: <52c0se$soa@gnews2.voicenet.com> References: <52ah96$jvo@gnews2.voicenet.com> <52bafa$mnc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] What follows is meant with the greatest respect. I pity those people who give me that look when I say Kermit; they just don't know. I adore Kermit. I meant everthing I said. Except that I think Kermit is *beautiful* in spite of that goofy menu. Box chars should be made universal part of of the lower 128 I don't care if you have to get rid of some punctuation or digits. If mskermit needs a menu it should not be that one. It speaks of green cinderblock walls. ;) I really did search for docs in non latin alphabets just to see! I plan to look at Arabic and Kanji sometime. I believe that people have a right to communicate regardless of the alphabets or ideograms they use. ;) I applaud Kermit in its effort to make kermit ~Universal. I haven't used the lighter versions of mskermit but when I shell out I have 326k left. If I use *SHROOM* I have 613k left. I think the fat version can get a bit fatter. Or maybe a special prodigal version. Even though sixel is considered primitive with the coming of X and Windoz, it allows one to preview images without ppp/slip etc. With the program *gifsixel* by Favro Renato (available free from Decus) one can view four tone dithered jpegs/gifs in tin (mime or uuencode - need *metamail*) with a push of a key (slight exageration). Same goes for Lynx and Mail, ELM etc. There is even a dvi file viewer (*dvitovdu*) that runs under mskermit grapics capabilities, needs fonts - a bit slow. There is also a mythical sixel device driver for ghostscript? Gifsixel is easily compiled under unix using 'gcc -traditional' you may need to add a couple of getch()'s for screen pauses, don't use -Wall it's ugly. Also comment out regis graphics routines. I don't know but I think Favro Renato would not like to be bothered by a lot of emails. To decode the vms backup file use the unix program *vmsbackup*. Unless of course you're already on VMS. Question: What are the differences between vt220 vt320. Do not answer -vt100 & vt100. Heresy: GSZ & TXZM are easily used with kermit - TXZM is free but it does not well run well within windows. Some of the later versions of GSZ run well within windows. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 25 17:17:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17711 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA23994 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another, another suggestion ... Date: 25 Sep 1996 21:17:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 79 Message-ID: <52c7gk$9t6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <52ah96$jvo@gnews2.voicenet.com> <52bafa$mnc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <52c0se$soa@gnews2.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <52c0se$soa@gnews2.voicenet.com>, Christopher Mosley wrote: : What follows is meant with the greatest respect. I pity those : people who give me that look when I say Kermit; they just don't know. : I adore Kermit. : Thanks! (On behalf of everybody who has worked on it these 15 years...) : I meant everthing I said. Except that I think Kermit is *beautiful* : in spite of that goofy menu. : : Box chars should be made universal part of of the lower 128 : I don't care if you have to get rid of some punctuation or : digits. If mskermit needs a menu it should not be that one. : It speaks of green cinderblock walls. ;) : But there is no universal character set besides ASCII, and you can't even depend on ASCII (e.g. because of the ISO 646 national variants, many of the ASCII characters like brackets and braces are replaced by national characters). Well OK, not PCs. But Code Page 437, which we are tempted to believe is a universal "standard", actually violates the most fundamental international standards for character sets (ISO 4837 and ISO 2022) by putting graphic characters in the control positions: 0x00-0x1f and 0x7f-0x9f. Anyway, the box-drawing characters, smiley faces, suits of cards, etc, can't be counted upon because you won't necessarily find them (at all, or in the same positions) in Shift-JIS (the Japanese PC code page), or in the various non-IBM compatibles I mentioned before. Btw, "ASCII" is used above in the colloquial sense, since everybody knows what it is -- not in the jingoistic "Made in USA" sense. Really what I am referring to is the ISO 646 International Reference Version (IRV), which happens to be identical to US ASCII, no doubt for historical reasons. Btw #2 -- Box characters are included in Unicode, so some day, maybe 10 or 20 years from now, there will be a standard way to draw text boxes, write math expressions, and write text in many languages, all in the same context. : I really did search for docs in non latin alphabets just to see! : I plan to look at Arabic and Kanji sometime. : We don't support Arabic yet. Evidently it's not as "simple" as it looks. We understand there are some sensitive (and context-sensitive) rendering issues that are not easily addressed in text-mode software. And yet, there *is* an Arabic code page... But we handle Hebrew quite well, and MS-DOS Kermit is a staple throughout Israel and wherever else Hebrew (or Yiddish, or Ladino, or Aramaic, or Judeo-Arabic) are spoken. : Even though sixel is considered primitive with the coming of : X and Windoz, it allows one to preview images without ppp/slip etc. : Yes, hooray. And it is also the basis for host-based WordPerfect's document previewer. : With the program *gifsixel* by Favro Renato : (available free from Decus) one can view four tone dithered : jpegs/gifs in tin (mime or uuencode - need *metamail*) with a : push of a key (slight exageration). Same goes for Lynx and Mail, : ELM etc. There is even a dvi file viewer ... : Most people would not believe what you can do with 640K 286... Of course most people couldn't care less :-) (Or could they?) : There is also a mythical sixel device driver for ghostscript? : There is indeed, but the last time I tried it, it wasn't very useful. Its page preview made a small rectangle in the middle of the PC screen. Maybe there is a way to tune it... : Question: : What are the differences between vt220 vt320. : >From the point of view of a terminal emulator, not very much. Mainly the host-controlled status line business, which we don't really support yet anyway. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 25 22:21:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27972 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 22:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA00913 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 22:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stay Message-ID: <1996Sep25.195004.85600@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Sep 96 19:50:03 MDT References: <524bsb$43p@dorsai.dorsai.org> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 In article <524bsb$43p@dorsai.dorsai.org>, vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 writes: > I have a logon sequence for dorsai and I can log in > by saying "mskermit dorsai" to DOS. But when I hit alt-x, > it takes me back to DOS. I tried "mskermit dorsai,stay" and > it behaves the same way. What am I doing wrong? ------------ Since the name of the executable isn't mskermit.exe I'll guess you are running a batch file named mskermit.bat. The rule of interest is Kermit exits to DOS after completing the last command on its command line, unless the command ",stay" appears. That means MSK looks to that command line for instructions, and when done MSK exits to DOS. Typing ALT x while in Connect mode brings one back to the Kermit prompt, Kermit looks for the next command and obeys the rule above. You will have to look at that .bat file to discover what it is doing, particularly about passing arguments from DOS to the Kermit command line. Recall that DOS does not use comma syntax to separate commands. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 26 08:21:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23904 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA04183 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: <.,@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfer from K11RSX to WIN100 Date: 25 Sep 1996 12:05:01 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 10 Message-ID: <52b75d$d37@hil-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd68-166.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 4.00.08.32 Hi, I have 3 Genrad 2275 units. 2 have 11/73 processors and file tranfers are no problem. The 11/23 processor will not transfer files properly. Time outs usually occur. Sometimes some data will transfer. I set file to ascii for text files. I set pac to 47 (per GenRad) Any advice? From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 26 08:28:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24453 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA04346 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: <.,@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfer from K11RSX to WIN100 Date: 25 Sep 1996 12:05:46 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 13 Message-ID: <52b76q$d37@hil-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd68-166.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 4.00.08.32 Hi, I have 3 Genrad 2275 units. 2 have 11/73 processors and file tranfers are no problem. The 11/23 processor will not transfer files properly. Time outs usually occur. Sometimes some data will transfer. I set file to ascii for text files. I set pac to 47 (per GenRad) Any advice? David Bailey 1-800-SOS-DYNA Thanks !!! From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 26 09:53:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06955 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA06464 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer from K11RSX to WIN100 Date: 26 Sep 1996 13:52:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <52e1rp$s2i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <52b75d$d37@hil-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <52b75d$d37@hil-news-svc-3.compuserve.com>, <.,@compuserve.com> wrote: : : Hi, I have 3 Genrad 2275 units. 2 have 11/73 processors and file tranfers : are no problem. The 11/23 processor will not transfer files properly. Time : outs usually occur. Sometimes some data will transfer. : : I set file to ascii for text files. : I set pac to 47 (per GenRad) : So what version of Kermit are you using on the PDP-11? What kind of connection do you have -- direct, modem, ...? What kind of flow control are you using? What kind of computer is on the other end, and what version of Kermit is it running? Did you read the appropriate manual(s)? PDP-11 Kermit comes with a manual and several auxilliary files that go into some detail about configuration and setup. I hope that GenRad supplied you with this material. - Frank P.S. If you really want to receive help, you might try posting from a valid e-mail address so people can get back to you. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 26 15:36:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18728 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA14314 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.netware.connectivity,comp.protocols.ppp Subject: Re: SLIP_PPP, second call for help Message-ID: <1996Sep26.120131.85648@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Sep 96 12:01:30 MDT References: <524nrf$5r8@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5969 comp.os.netware.connectivity:18836 comp.protocols.ppp:17412 In article <524nrf$5r8@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > This is a second call for help on this matter with some cross-posting: > > I've been able to bring up a PPP using LSL and SLIP_PPP.COM by the following > sequence: > > LSL > running MSK 3.15b8 to manually log on > SLIP_PPP E > SLIP_PPP S > > but have been getting the error message "Cannot access IP packets" if I run > MSK 3.15b8 and attempt to set port tcp/ip and connect. > Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 > arthur@dircsa.org.au ------------ SLIP_PPP.COM does not reveal the connected IP address to external callers, except those which build Novell's LWP/DOS support library into their programs. I have that material, complements of Novell, but no vendor's lib can be built into MS-DOS Kermit (for reasons which must be obvious to all). There are several alternatives which spring to mind. Try using Bootp across PPP, if your site is setup appropriately. Mine isn't so I cannot say if this will actually work. Use SLIP rather than PPP. That works; Novell has demonstrated the combination. In fact, MSK can capture the serial port from SLIP_PPP to dial, in case you decide not to use Novell's Dialer program, and return it intact on the fly. We discuss this in the release notes. Use another PPP serial port driver, such as Merit's (find a copy in the Cyrnwr Collection of Packet Drivers). It's wise to keep in mind there are no standards nor guidelines on what the top level looks like for PPP drivers. It's anarchy again, and the commercial products have proprietary interfaces. The only PPP driver which Kermit supports directly is Telebit's ODIPPP.COM program which does report the IP number in a way that can be read by comms programs (and Kermit does). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 26 16:37:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03235 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA15002 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another, another suggestion ... Message-ID: <1996Sep26.120758.85651@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Sep 96 12:07:58 MDT References: <52ah96$jvo@gnews2.voicenet.com> <52c0se$soa@gnews2.voicenet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 57 In article <52c0se$soa@gnews2.voicenet.com>, cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) writes: > Box chars should be made universal part of of the lower 128 > I don't care if you have to get rid of some punctuation or > digits. If mskermit needs a menu it should not be that one. > It speaks of green cinderblock walls. ;) Alas, there are international standards on character sets, rules by which *both* sides must play to communicate intelligently. Plus there are a few people who might object to losing ASCII printables. > I haven't used the lighter versions of mskermit but when I shell > out I have 326k left. If I use *SHROOM* I have 613k left. I think > the fat version can get a bit fatter. Or maybe a special prodigal > version. No special tricks in MSK, thanks. We are at the limit of space consumption already, and please keep in mind that we do launch other programs while within Kermit. > Even though sixel is considered primitive with the coming of > X and Windoz, it allows one to preview images without ppp/slip > etc. With the program *gifsixel* by Favro Renato > (available free from Decus) one can view four tone dithered > jpegs/gifs in tin (mime or uuencode - need *metamail*) with a > push of a key (slight exageration). Same goes for Lynx and Mail, > ELM etc. There is even a dvi file viewer (*dvitovdu*) that runs > under mskermit grapics capabilities, needs fonts - a bit slow. > > There is also a mythical sixel device driver for ghostscript? > > Gifsixel is easily compiled under unix using 'gcc -traditional' > you may need to add a couple of getch()'s for screen pauses, don't > use -Wall it's ugly. Also comment out regis graphics routines. I > don't know but I think Favro Renato would not like to be bothered by > a lot of emails. To decode the vms backup file use the unix program > *vmsbackup*. Unless of course you're already on VMS. Thanks for reminding folks that Sixel does the job quickly and economically. Some large outfits with serious graphical requirements have discovered the same, and MSK supports them. > > Question: > What are the differences between vt220 vt320. > Do not answer -vt100 & vt100. Lots, far too much to explain in News or Email. > Heresy: > GSZ & TXZM are easily used with kermit - TXZM is free but it > does not well run well within windows. Some of the later versions > of GSZ run well within windows. Need to get out the lumber and fire to stamp out such things. Oh, that went out of style centuries ago? Drats. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 26 20:49:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA11323 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA22129 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!cyberspam!usenet Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer.oop,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.soft-sys.powerbuilder,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: GetFree@mail.com Date: 26 Sep 1996 20:41:28 EDT Control: cancel <324315C4.7D36@mail.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <324315C4.7D36@mail.com> Message-ID: X-Cancelled-By: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu X-No-Archive: Yes Lines: 3 Spam/MMF cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was BEYOND TECHNOLOGY From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 27 03:46:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA05882 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 03:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA02393 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 03:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!alph02.triumf.ca!shoppa From: shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Reading RT-11 floppies with VMS and Installing Kermit Date: 27 Sep 1996 05:24:49 GMT Organization: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 53 Message-ID: <52fof1$oue@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <52fj05$8hf@access4.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: alph02.triumf.ca Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.dec:42034 comp.os.vms:136249 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5971 In article <52fj05$8hf@access4.digex.net>, R. D. Davis wrote: >It seems to me that this should be possible, but I can't quite figure >out how to do it - that is, mounting and reading RT-11 RX50 floppies >using MicroVMS 4.6. Is this possible? If so, what do I need to do? I'm hoping that your MicroVMS system has all the HELP sections installed. If so, do: $ EXCHANGE EXCHANGE> HELP and you'll figure it out from there. >I'm also trying to find a way to install Kermit. There's no tape >drive and no ethernet on this system, just the console terminal port >and RX50 floppies. The console port is attached to a serial port on >one of my UNIX systems, instead of to a terminal, to that should help >somewhat. > >So far, I've transferred a few files, such as ckvhex.mar, to the >system connected to the VAX, in an attempt to transfer the text "hex" >files to the VAX. My plan was to do something like enter "create >ckvhex.mar" on the VAX and then at the kermit prompt on the UNIX >system, enter "transmit ckvhex.mar" then just enter a "ctrl-z" on the >VAX when the transfer completed. Yep, this is the typical VMS "bootstrap" procedure for Kermit. >It doesn't appear to be as simple as >I thought it would he, howver. When I connect to the VAX after what I >thought was a succesful transfer, I get error messages such as a data >overrun error. Is there some way to avoid this problem in order to >tranfer Kermit to this system? You're running a recent C-Kermit on the Unix system? If so, tell it "set transmit pause 250" to have it pause 250 ms between lines. You can turn this number up and down to whatever gives you the fastest reliable transfers. You could also greatly lower the baud rate to the console port, too. (If my memory is correct this requires setting the switch on the Microvax II and then rebooting. It might even take a 120 Reset after setting the switch for the change to take effect.) Make sure you've got a Hex-ified Kermit binary that'll run on a 4.6 machine. I think most of the recent ones have been compiled and linked under 6.0 or later. Somewhere on kermit.columbia.edu there are supposed to be binaries that'll work on a 4.x machine, but I can't find them at the moment... I'm sure Frank will appear shortly and point out exactly where to find them! Tim. (shoppa@triumf.ca) From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 27 08:34:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21571 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 08:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA28134 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 08:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!umcc.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!ellis From: ellis@nova.gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,jhu.hac.unix Subject: Re: Using Seyon (Linux) with Kermit Date: 27 Sep 1996 12:29:31 GMT Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI Lines: 38 Message-ID: <52ghbb$pk5@news.eecs.umich.edu> References: <5274v1$ai3@news.jhu.edu> <527gv1$7cc@news.jhu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nova.gmi.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) robodude@prometheus.rad.jhu.edu (Zsolt Szabo) writes: >In article <5274v1$ai3@news.jhu.edu>, >Dzung Pham wrote: >>Hello, >> >>I'm using the Seyon terminal program with Linux and I was wondering if >>anybody has set it up to use kermit as an external file transfer protocol. >>I have tried simply using 'kermit -r' in my protocols file to receive files >>but have been unsuccessful. I have not tried Seyon since about 1.8, so do not remember how it works. Perhaps you need to redirect the output of kermit? It seems like the original author of Seyon made some special accomodations for late versions of rzsz (which do not use stdio). I believe the reason I quit playing with Seyon was because it would not work with the older version of rzsz that I use (which does use stdio). You probably will get more help on one of the Linux groups. >> >Why don't you just use kermit itself? He obviously wants a GUI-oriented UNIX terminal program. Me, I use a socket emulator to setup multiple xterm windows on my remote host (Solaris 2.x to Solaris 2.x), others prefer a Windows-like terminal interface. >-- > __ //sys 64738-code must always be as tight as possible! > -/_)_ ( _ __) __)___ //URL=HTTP://jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu/~robodude __ One man's >_/ \(_)_)_)_/(_/_/(-__//junk is another man's protoculture-Gen. Rolf Emmerson >_____________________//Microsoft-free for 10 years and counting!_____________ -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt.Inst. () / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 Free speech and free software! /\ / / / / / / Web admin: http://www.gmi.edu/ ellis@gmi.edu /________/ / / / / From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 27 11:20:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15311 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02378 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!posts.execpc.com!usenet From: manning@execpc.com (Steve Manning) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 Wyse-50 problem Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:11:51 GMT Organization: Exec-PC BBS Internet - Milwaukee, WI Lines: 36 Message-ID: <52gqrt$23m@newsops.execpc.com> References: <51pul3$ade@newsops.execpc.com> <51rkud$iib@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: manning@execpc.com NNTP-Posting-Host: camel.execpc.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <51pul3$ade@newsops.execpc.com>, >Steve Manning wrote: >: I've noticed that when I'm in a Wyse50 or 60 emulation and I ALT-X >: back to the K95 prompt, my Enter key is non-functional. I have to hit >: Control-J for K95 to accept my commands. When I change my emulation >: to a VT100 or AT386, there is no problem. >: >It's a bug. It will be fixed in the next patch. In the meantime, you can >work around it with SET KEY \269 \13. >- Frank I also just ran into another Wyse-50 emulation problem. The "." key on the numeric keypad send the "DEL" character when NUMLOCK is on. The other keypad keys all send the proper numeric characters. Just the "." is broken. I used a "SET KEY" command to fix it for now. I also seem to recall that I had problems with the "grey" keys. For instance, K95 recognized a press of SHIFT-PrintScreen as "Shift-Grey-Multiply". We are planning on rolling out about 50 copies or so of K95 and Wyse 50 will be the initial emulation we use, since it is tested with all our applications. Eventually we will move to a "better" choice, but for now it'll be WY50. Unfortunately, I get the feeling that the Wyse 50 keyboard needs a pretty thorough review. I hope that this can be done and updates included in a patch in the near future. Steve From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 27 11:28:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16345 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA02520 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Reading RT-11 floppies with VMS and Installing Kermit Date: 27 Sep 1996 15:28:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 76 Message-ID: <52grqt$7i0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <52fj05$8hf@access4.digex.net> <52fof1$oue@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.dec:42042 comp.os.vms:136281 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5974 In article <52fof1$oue@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, Tim Shoppa wrote: : In article <52fj05$8hf@access4.digex.net>, : R. D. Davis wrote: : >It seems to me that this should be possible, but I can't quite figure : >out how to do it - that is, mounting and reading RT-11 RX50 floppies : >using MicroVMS 4.6. Is this possible? If so, what do I need to do? : : I'm hoping that your MicroVMS system has all the HELP sections : installed. If so, do: : : $ EXCHANGE : EXCHANGE> HELP : : and you'll figure it out from there. : : >I'm also trying to find a way to install Kermit. There's no tape : >drive and no ethernet on this system, just the console terminal port : >and RX50 floppies. The console port is attached to a serial port on : >one of my UNIX systems, instead of to a terminal, to that should help : >somewhat. : > : >So far, I've transferred a few files, such as ckvhex.mar, to the : >system connected to the VAX, in an attempt to transfer the text "hex" : >files to the VAX. My plan was to do something like enter "create : >ckvhex.mar" on the VAX and then at the kermit prompt on the UNIX : >system, enter "transmit ckvhex.mar" then just enter a "ctrl-z" on the : >VAX when the transfer completed. : : Yep, this is the typical VMS "bootstrap" procedure for Kermit. : : >It doesn't appear to be as simple as I thought it would he, howver. : >When I connect to the VAX after what I thought was a succesful : >transfer, I get error messages such as a data overrun error. Is there : >some way to avoid this problem in order to tranfer Kermit to this : >system? : Did you tell VMS to SET TERM /HOSTSYNC/TTSYNC? Has your transmitting Kermit been set for Xon/Xoff flow control? Do you have decent-size terminal buffers configured for VMS (i.e. longer than the default size of 76 or whatever it is)? Have you enabled the Alt-Typeahead buffer? (See CKVINS.DOC for details about all of this). : You're running a recent C-Kermit on the Unix system? If so, tell it : "set transmit pause 250" to have it pause 250 ms between lines. You can : turn this number up and down to whatever gives you the fastest reliable : transfers. You could also greatly lower the baud rate to the console : port, too. (If my memory is correct this requires setting the switch on : the Microvax II and then rebooting. It might even take a 120 Reset : after setting the switch for the change to take effect.) : : Make sure you've got a Hex-ified Kermit binary that'll run on a 4.6 : machine. I think most of the recent ones have been compiled and linked : under 6.0 or later. Somewhere on kermit.columbia.edu there are supposed : to be binaries that'll work on a 4.x machine, but I can't find them at : the moment... I'm sure Frank will appear shortly and point out exactly : where to find them! : I'd recommend the following procedure. You have CKVDEH.MAR on the VMS system already, right? Next step: TRANSMIT the hex version of Kermit-32, which is much smaller than C-Kermit, and should run OK on VMS 4.x: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/b/vmsmit.hex Then use ckvdeh.exe (obtained by "macro ckvdeh", "link ckvdeh") to dehexify it. C-Kermit 5A(190) is available for VMS 4.x systems as: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/vmshex/ckvvms4.hex Version 6.0 (still in Beta) has not yet been built for VMS 4.x. Then use the resulting vmsmit.exe to transfer the bigger C-Kermit hex file. Then dehexify it in the same manner. (See diagram on page 186, "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol" :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 27 12:48:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08771 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04289 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!nntp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!croten From: croten@crl.crl.com (Charles Roten) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Questions about File Transfer Recovery Date: 27 Sep 1996 16:06:15 GMT Organization: Widgets, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com OK, I read the March 1995 Kermit News. I know that "resend" _should_ attempt to seamlessly complete a binary that was truncated by a broken connection, given C-Kermit 5A(190) at the sending end. Here's my problem. My ISP (like most) is as flaky as breakfast cereal. They _constantly_ drop connections. At _their_ end (LINUX, cpu type unknown), they mount C-Kermit 5A(189) .. I think. At _my_ end (Sun 386i, SunOS 4.0.2), I mount C-Kermit 5A(190). So the remote kermit _cannot_ be assumed to understand about "File Transfer Recovery", but my local kermit can. I transfer files from their end, by setting up the remote kermit to track with my local one .. ie., 'server' at their end, escape to my end, type 'get {files}'. In _this_ _altered_ context, how is File Transfer Recovery (for binary transfers only!) implemented ?? "resend" would be issued from the _remote_ kermit, running C-Kermit 5A(189). What do I do from _my_ end, with the remote kermit in "server" mode ??? The March 1995 Kermit News article made _NO_ mention of a "reget" command, issued to a remote kermit in server mode, which is a revision level _before_ File Transfer Recovery was implemented. But such a device is _exactly_ what I need. Thanks in advance. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 27 13:53:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29526 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA05819 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Questions about File Transfer Recovery Date: 27 Sep 1996 17:53:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <52h4ao$bv6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Charles Roten wrote: : OK, I read the March 1995 Kermit News. I know that "resend" _should_ : attempt to seamlessly complete a binary that was truncated by a broken : connection, given C-Kermit 5A(190) at the sending end. : : Here's my problem. : : My ISP (like most) is as flaky as breakfast cereal. They _constantly_ : drop connections. At _their_ end (LINUX, cpu type unknown), they mount : C-Kermit 5A(189) .. I think. At _my_ end (Sun 386i, SunOS 4.0.2), I : mount C-Kermit 5A(190). So the remote kermit _cannot_ be assumed to : understand about "File Transfer Recovery", but my local kermit can. : : I transfer files from their end, by setting up the remote kermit to : track with my local one .. ie., 'server' at their end, escape to my : end, type 'get {files}'. : : In _this_ _altered_ context, how is File Transfer Recovery (for binary : transfers only!) implemented ?? "resend" would be issued from the : _remote_ kermit, running C-Kermit 5A(189). What do I do from _my_ end, : with the remote kermit in "server" mode ??? : : The March 1995 Kermit News article made _NO_ mention of a "reget" : command, issued to a remote kermit in server mode, which is a : revision level _before_ File Transfer Recovery was implemented. But : such a device is _exactly_ what I need. : C-Kermit 6.0, now in Beta, has a REGET command. But you can't initiate recovery from *either* end unless your ISP installs C-Kermit 5A(190) or later. The 6.0 Beta is available at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/cku190.tar.gz (or .Z) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 27 18:04:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03791 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 18:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA11820 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 18:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.stealth.net!news.dorsai.org!news.dorsai.org!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Greek Web sites with Lynx Date: 27 Sep 1996 16:08:31 -0400 Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC 11357-3436-287 USA Lines: 9 Message-ID: <52hc7v$ath@dorsai.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: dorsai.dorsai.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Greek web sites used ELOT 928 (cf www.hri.org) but MSKermit uses CP869 for Greek. Is there a workaround or am I stuck using other terminal emulators for reading Greek? -- Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bioengineer-Financier, NYC Bach-Mozart ReaganQuayleGramm Evrytano-Kastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFinanc&Indus [vjp2@mcimail.com , vjp2@CIS.CompuServe.Com, vjp2@dorsai.org] ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 28 12:22:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24186 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 12:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA26696 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 12:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.uoregon.edu!news.unisys.com.br!news.embratel.net.br!usenet From: dsupacx@nic.embratel.net.br (af2) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is there Kermit for Linux??? Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 14:32:02 GMT Organization: Empresa Brasileira de Telecomunicacoes Lines: 9 Message-ID: <52jg6s$bdb@rjo02.embratel.net.br> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.255.254.168 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hi I'm interesting for use Kermit or other software like it to work in my Linux box (preferentially free). Any idea? Tks in advance Ademar Felipe Fey adfey@nutecnet.com.br From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 29 18:14:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02303 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA01051 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.com.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.netware.connectivity,comp.protocols.ppp Subject: Re: SLIP_PPP, second call for help Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.netware.connectivity,comp.protocols.ppp Date: 26 Sep 1996 00:37:18 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 12 Message-ID: <52bhr6$3e3@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <524nrf$5r8@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5979 comp.os.netware.connectivity:18941 comp.protocols.ppp:17437 Arthur Marsh (arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au) wrote: : This is a second call for help on this matter with some cross-posting: I've had some help, but the current release version 3.14 of MS-Kermit and beta of 3.15 are extremely slow to send characters to a SLIP_PPP ODI driver. Has anyone used SLIP_PPP successfully with the current MSK 3.14 or beta MSK 3.15? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 30 07:14:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22406 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 07:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA09501 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 07:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.stealth.net!solace!eru.mt.luth.se!news.algonet.se!eua.ericsson.se!erinews.ericsson.se!usenet From: Ulrik Sandberg Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Remote IF EXIST? Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:04:05 +0100 Organization: LM Ericsson Ltd, Ireland Lines: 45 Message-ID: <324FA925.31DFF4F5@lmi.ericsson.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: eeibhus03.eei.ericsson.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) CC: Ulrik Sandberg Question: Is there a clever way of doing a 'REMOTE IF EXIST '? Background ---------- (MS Kermit 3.14) I was recently using the server-capabilities to control a remote host by starting en external program for creating a file and then transfer the file to the "client" using the GET command. At one point I was forced to check if a control file was existing on the server before I performed the file transfer (a simple file locking protocol). The REMOTE commands do not include a command that does that and it was quite frustrating until I found a work- around (see 'Solution' below). My goal was to either get a result code that could be used in IF FAILURE clauses in the script or to redirect the output from a REMOTE command to a local file and then perform a local IF EXIST on that file. I tried REMOTE DIR , but that was (oddly enough) interpreted as REMOTE DIR without a file spec and thus gave me the whole directory. It seemed like every REMOTE command that took a file spec either failed without a result code that could be used in a script, or - in the case of redirecting its output - created a local file whether the remote file existed or not. Solution -------- Finally I found out that REMOTE TYPE could be used. The output of REMOTE TYPE was redirected to a local file (with a unique name). If the remote file didn't exist, the command failed and no output was created. Thus, no local file was created and my local IF EXIST could be used. If the remote file existed, its contents was redirected to the temporary local file and IF EXIST could be used to indicate that the remote file in turn did exist. Comments -------- This solution assumes that the remote file is rather small, since its contents has to be transferred. In my case, it was an almost empty lock file, so it wasn't a problem. -- --Ulrik Sandberg From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 30 09:59:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10070 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13065 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Greek Web sites with Lynx Date: 30 Sep 1996 13:58:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <52ojmd$9hf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <52hc7v$ath@dorsai.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <52hc7v$ath@dorsai.dorsai.org>, Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA wrote: : Greek web sites used ELOT 928 (cf www.hri.org) but MSKermit uses CP869 : for Greek. Is there a workaround or am I stuck using other terminal : emulators for reading Greek? : See the Cyrillic support files for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, in which Cyrillic character sets are implemented using a series of SET TRANSLATE INPUT commands. Do the same thing for the Greek character set of your choice, translating between ELOT and whatever your Greek PC code page is. If you don't have a Greek code page, look in kermit/pcfonts for some ZIP files that contain a large collection of PC code pages, including Greek. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 30 10:02:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10945 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA13296 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is there Kermit for Linux??? Date: 30 Sep 1996 14:01:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 69 Message-ID: <52ojrf$9lv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <52jg6s$bdb@rjo02.embratel.net.br> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <52jg6s$bdb@rjo02.embratel.net.br>, af2 wrote: : I'm interesting for use Kermit or other software like it to work in my : Linux box ... : C-Kermit 5A(190) for UNIX: The complete package, including source code, initialization files, installation instructions, documentation updates, hints and tips files, etc, but NOT binary executables: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). NOTE: If you're interested in testing the forthcoming 6.0 version, go to kermit/test/tar rather than kermit/archives, and get cku192.tar.Z (or .gz). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make linux make solaris2x make hpux90 which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. For Linux, there is also a version available in Debian installation format in kermit/linux. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for C-Kermit development and support: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. US single-copy price: $39.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Email: kermit@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $39.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $50 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order direct from the publisher: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +44 1865 314627 (Oxford, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +61 03 9245 7111 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Asia) +27 (31) 2683111 (Durban office for South Africa) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 30 10:06:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11909 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA13417 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remote IF EXIST? Date: 30 Sep 1996 14:05:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <52ok3o$9qj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <324FA925.31DFF4F5@lmi.ericsson.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <324FA925.31DFF4F5@lmi.ericsson.se>, Ulrik Sandberg wrote: : Question: Is there a clever way of doing a 'REMOTE IF EXIST '? : Yes. : (MS Kermit 3.14) : I was recently using the server-capabilities to control a remote : host by starting en external program for creating a file and then : transfer the file to the "client" using the GET command. : : At one point I was forced to check if a control file was existing : on the server before I performed the file transfer (a simple file : locking protocol). The REMOTE commands do not include a command : that does that ... : Try this (as documented in the update notes): remote query kermit files(name-of-file) if > \v(query) 0 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 30 12:41:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03895 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA17056 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-penn.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.NetVision.net.il!news From: am62@netvision.net.il (amnon.cohen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit tcp/ip Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 00:46:24 GMT Organization: NetVision LTD. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <52opvm$bjb@news.NetVision.net.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts003p8.pop4a.netvision.net.il X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 in kermit , under tcp/ip , every time I HIT "ENTER" IT RESULTS IN TWO "ENTERS" 'S - PLEASE HELP From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 30 12:53:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06162 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA17293 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit tcp/ip Date: 30 Sep 1996 16:53:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <52ottv$fbt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <52opvm$bjb@news.NetVision.net.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <52opvm$bjb@news.NetVision.net.il>, amnon.cohen wrote: : in kermit , under tcp/ip , every time I HIT "ENTER" IT RESULTS : IN TWO "ENTERS" 'S - PLEASE HELP : Which Kermit? Anyway, this is usually because a failure to properly negotiate Telnet protocol items by the Telnet server on the far end. You can usually work around it by telling Kermit to: set telnet newline-mode off or: set telnet newline-mode raw - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 30 20:49:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18735 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA28407 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!malgudi.oar.net!hyperion.wright.edu!news.wright.edu!nova.wright.edu!bnelson From: bnelson@nova.wright.edu (Brian Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: file xfer from k11rsx Date: 30 Sep 96 20:31:51 EST Organization: Wright State University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1996Sep30.203151@nova.wright.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nova.wright.edu Regarding the RSX11M xfer problem with K11, more details might help. I wrote the thing, might be able to help. Though I've not used an 11 for serveral years (but there is one in my garage) :) -- Brian Nelson Day: 419.246.6058, bnelson@expost2.lof.com Other: 419.531.7592, bnelson@nova.wright.edu 2024 Sandown, Toledo, Oh 43615-3334 From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 1 05:27:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA06751 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 05:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA11305 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 05:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!chaos.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be!news.vub.ac.be!news.belnet.be!swsbe6.switch.ch!swidir.switch.ch!surfnet.nl!news.tue.nl!usenet From: Frank Kloprogge Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: scripting after connect (3.14) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 10:42:23 +0200 Organization: PTH Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3250D96F.66B3@pth.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc-13-88.pth.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Hi there. I'm looking for a way to send a character to the host computer after the connect command. I'm using a script at the moment for connecting to a host machine. However, after the connect command, the screen is somewhat garbled. When I type ctrl-W (which is the redraw-command for i.e. Ingres), the screen turns normal. Is there a soluiton for this problem ? Thanks in advance ! From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 1 10:45:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07604 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA08029 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 10:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: scripting after connect (3.14) Date: 1 Oct 1996 14:45:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <52rapp$lcn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3250D96F.66B3@pth.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3250D96F.66B3@pth.nl>, Frank Kloprogge wrote: : I'm looking for a way to send a character to the host computer after the : connect command. : I'm using a script at the moment for connecting to a host machine. : However, after the connect command, the screen is somewhat garbled. : When I type ctrl-W (which is the redraw-command for i.e. Ingres), : the screen turns normal. : If the screen is garbled, that is most likely an indication of a lack of effective flow control and/or an unbuffered UART and/or interrupt conflicts in your PC. If you fix the underlying problems, the garbled screens should go away. To answer your question: define wconnect output \23, connect Then use "wconnect" ("wc" for short) instead of "connect". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 1 12:03:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19846 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA09833 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vax1.miu.edu!JHMEYERS From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for ultra-lite kermit implementation Date: 1 Oct 1996 15:57:33 GMT Organization: MIU Computer Services, Fairfield, IA 52557. Not Approved. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <52rf1d$j7l@news.iastate.edu> References: <3249733C.36C1@tradetec.com> Reply-To: jhmeyers@miu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.mum.edu In article <3249733C.36C1@tradetec.com>, Dave Monkman writes: > I am looking to implement kermit on a handheld computer w/ limited > memory/disk storage. I would prefer to abstract existing code rather > than re-invent the wheel. In order to accomplish this end, I am seeking > source for a very simple kermit implementation (g,s,r,f,serv). HP did just about this much in their HP48 calculators, but "source code" is not transferable to any other CPU. Some companies have adapted the HP48 itself to handle wide-ranging data-acquisition or similar purposes, rather than use yet another specialized hand-held device, in which case Kermit is already built into the device (which can accommodate up to 4.5 MB of internal storage, including plug-in cards). Just a thought. ----------------------------------------------------------- With best wishes from: John H Meyers ( jhmeyers@mum.edu ) From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 1 12:21:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22305 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10293 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vax1.miu.edu!JHMEYERS From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit wish list Date: 1 Oct 1996 15:47:52 GMT Organization: MIU Computer Services, Fairfield, IA 52557. Not Approved. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <52ref8$j7l@news.iastate.edu> References: <5266f7$8nv@mirage.skypoint.com>,<1996Sep24.095354.85355@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: jhmeyers@miu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.mum.edu > In article <5266f7$8nv@mirage.skypoint.com>, escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) requested: [...] > 3) A way of locking the keyboard during transfers. Unplug keyboard cable. Guaranteed to work with ALL software :) ----------------------------------------------------------- With best wishes from: John H Meyers ( jhmeyers@mum.edu ) From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 1 12:44:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27603 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10756 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!EU.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: SOLOMON Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and att 375 tpc Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:32:54 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Internet Lines: 36 Message-ID: <32486196.2916@prodigy.com> References: <525fg5$t2r@jespersen.cs.nyu.edu> Reply-To: SOLOMON@prodigy.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.237.245.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Leo J. Tick wrote: > > I am having trouple trying to use kermit (ms or os/2) on an > att 375tpc on com3 (everything is ok with ext modem on com1). > Com3 is part of an elaborate comm card. The manual says to > use Com3 for other software to use the modem which is part of > this card. > Using dos and msk, I can get the set port 3 command to go > through after the command SET COM3 \x2e8. > I tried various irq's in the above but to no avail. It seems to > me that if is set cd off and do an out atdt, I should hear the > modem go off hook regardless of the irq setting. But so far > nada. > Any suggestions or actions that may prove enlightening. > Thanks I used an ATT globalyst TPC machine, don't known if it was a 375TPC. The TPC board is a combination sound and modem card that lets you make the machine into a voice mail answering machine gadget. The modem uses the AT set and accoding to the manual, work ONLY under windows, not under DOS.That may be your problem. I've used it with mskermit in a dos windows. Both the com1 external and the att internal com3 use irq4. The address are different (/2f8 and /2e8). My mskermit (3.14) was able to figure it out on its own when i told it to use port 3. Try running hardware install to identify the internal modem. You probably need the win95 drivers. OS2 may be a problem without those window drivers. Try unplugging the external modem if it is still there since both having th same irq may be a problemm. You can also try calling ATT (now NCR) for help. good luck, Sol From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 1 13:14:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01701 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11435 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 13:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: scripting after connect (3.14) Date: 1 Oct 1996 17:08:50 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 25 Message-ID: <52rj72$o5q@samba.rahul.net> References: <3250D96F.66B3@pth.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank Kloprogge (F.J.M.Kloprogge@pth.nl) wrote: : Hi there. : I'm looking for a way to send a character to the host computer after the : connect command. : I'm using a script at the moment for connecting to a host machine. : However, after the connect command, the screen is somewhat garbled. : When I type ctrl-W (which is the redraw-command for i.e. Ingres), : the screen turns normal. I suspect that the initial screen draw is occuring with codes for a particular terminal type, which isn't handled during scripting command mode. Before you do the ctrl-W, you have probably gone to "connect" mode, where terminal emulation is available. I don't believe there is any terminal emulation available in scripting mode. Perhaps you could add an output of the ctrl-w near the end of your login script, causing the redraw, at the time you connect to a terminal screen... The junk would still be there, but you wouldn't have to watch ;-) -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 1 15:50:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27351 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 15:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA15127 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 15:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!psdcomms.psd.com.au!stuart From: stuart@psd.com.au (Stuart Park) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 in Australia? Date: 1 Oct 1996 07:22:32 GMT Organization: Prometheus Software Lines: 9 Message-ID: <52qgro$epu@psdcomms.psd.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: ibmj30 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Is there any local distributors of the Windows-95 version of Kermit in Australia? (or do I need to order it from the U.S.?) Can a trial version be downloaded from the internet? -- Stuart Park Melbourne, Australia Senior Analyst/Programmer E-mail: stuart@psd.com.au Prometheus Software From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 1 16:05:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29636 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA15537 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 in Australia? Date: 1 Oct 1996 20:04:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <52rth6$32p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <52qgro$epu@psdcomms.psd.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <52qgro$epu@psdcomms.psd.com.au>, Stuart Park wrote: : Is there any local distributors of the Windows-95 version of Kermit : in Australia? : Some talks are going on, but as yet I don't know of any distributors for Kermit 95 in Australia or New Zealand, or, for that matter, in any country outside the USA. So your best bet is to order from the US; several methods are provided on our Web page. The drawback, of course, is the added expense and delay for shipping. Prospective distributors in all countries are welcome to contact the publisher, Manning Software, to make arrangements. The details are on the Kermit 95 Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html And of course we'll be glad to include contact info for all distributors on the same Web page. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 1 20:55:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17052 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA22454 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!news.new-york.net!wlbr!news.cerf.net!nic.cerf.net!spacecc From: "Space Computer Corp." Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 2nd post: Chars lost by DOS Ker under OS/2 during macros Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:22:58 -0700 Organization: CERFnet Lines: 39 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.cerf.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII No response to the first post of this, but I'm still looking for suggestions for a solution. Can anyone relate to this? -- I am running DOS Kermit 3.14, Patch 9, under OS/2 Warp with a FOSSIL connection using Ray Gwinn's SIO programs. This works fine for "normal" usage, but while Kermit is executing the "Product" macro it appears that the input buffer overflows, and characters are lost. (This procedure worked perfectly when DOS Kermit was run under actual DOS, rather than a DOS window under OS/2.) More specifically, the host is a VAX/VMS system, and both the host and Kermit are set for xon/xoff flow control. The host sends the escape sequence to cause Kermit to execute the "Product" macro, which in this case is just "log session file.dat", and follows this immediately with a data stream. The beginning of the data stream is captured in file.dat, then there is a big gap, then the rest of the data stream is captured. A similar thing happens when the second "Product" macro is executed. In this case, the host sends another escape sequence to cause Kermit to execute the second "Product" macro, which is just "close session; run myprogram.exe", followed by more data for the Kermit screen. The logging is correctly ended, myprogram.exe is correctly executed, and the first of the data for the Kermit screen is correctly buffered (it is received while myprogram.exe is running). When myprogram.exe ends and control is returned to Kermit, Kermit shows the screen data it correctly buffered, but everything after that (about half a screen full) sent while myprogram.exe was executing is lost. One more observation which may be relevant: When a long stream of data is being sent to Kermit from the host, I can hit ctrl-S on the keyboard to suspend the sending of data, but it keeps coming for several seconds, which seems like an inordinately long time, and makes me suspect that Kermit's xoff signals are not being sent to the host quickly enough to prevent buffer overflow. When I type ctrl-Q to resume sending, the response is pretty quick, but not really instantaneous (to the eye). Has anyone else encountered similar problems, and is there a setting of Kermit's parameters which will prevent this? Bill Kendall From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 2 09:20:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07119 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA28773 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.indigo.ie!usenet From: "Eoin C. Bairéad" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit on VMS - what am I doing WRONG Date: 2 Oct 1996 11:53:44 GMT Organization: Indigo Lines: 45 Message-ID: <52tl48$437@niamh.indigo.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts01-03.dublin.indigo.ie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) I've put C-Kermit on a VAX running VMS, to replace Kermit-32, and I want to write a simple script to login to a unix box, and transfer a file. So I define CKERMIT as a foreign command and I go: $ CKERMIT C-Kermit>set line ker$comm C-Kermit>out \13 C-Kermit>input 5 login: C-Kermit>out username\13 C-Kermit>input 5 Password: C-Kermit>out secret\13 C-Kermit>input 5 $ C-Kermit>out ckermit -x\13 C-Kermit>send myfile.dat C-Kermit>finish C-Kermit>out exit\13 and that works fine. so I put the above lines in a file - XFILE.INI set line ker$comm out \13 input 5 login: out username\13 input 5 Password: out secret\13 input 5 $ out ckermit -x\13 send myfile.dat finish out exit\13 and I go: $ CKERMIT C-Kermit>take XFILE.ini and it falls over - it doesn't seem to want to OUTPUT anything and I get "invalid password" messages. Am I doing anything wrong ???? Eoin From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 2 10:18:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16365 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA00049 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2nd post: Chars lost by DOS Ker under OS/2 during macros Date: 2 Oct 1996 14:18:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: <52ttir$otq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Space Computer Corp. wrote: : I am running DOS Kermit 3.14, Patch 9, under OS/2 Warp with a FOSSIL : connection using Ray Gwinn's SIO programs. This works fine for : "normal" usage, but while Kermit is executing the "Product" macro it : appears that the input buffer overflows, and characters are lost. : (This procedure worked perfectly when DOS Kermit was run under actual : DOS, rather than a DOS window under OS/2.) More specifically, the : host is a VAX/VMS system, and both the host and Kermit are set for : xon/xoff flow control. The host sends the escape sequence to cause : Kermit to execute the "Product" macro, which in this case is just "log : session file.dat", and follows this immediately with a data stream. : The beginning of the data stream is captured in file.dat, then there : is a big gap, then the rest of the data stream is captured. A similar : thing happens when the second "Product" macro is executed. In this : case, the host sends another escape sequence to cause Kermit to : execute the second "Product" macro, which is just "close session; run : myprogram.exe", followed by more data for the Kermit screen. The : logging is correctly ended, myprogram.exe is correctly executed, and : the first of the data for the Kermit screen is correctly buffered (it : is received while myprogram.exe is running). When myprogram.exe ends : and control is returned to Kermit, Kermit shows the screen data it : correctly buffered, but everything after that (about half a screen : full) sent while myprogram.exe was executing is lost. : : One more observation which may be relevant: When a long stream of : data is being sent to Kermit from the host, I can hit ctrl-S on the : keyboard to suspend the sending of data, but it keeps coming for : several seconds, which seems like an inordinately long time, and makes : me suspect that Kermit's xoff signals are not being sent to the host : quickly enough to prevent buffer overflow. When I type ctrl-Q to : resume sending, the response is pretty quick, but not really : instantaneous (to the eye). : This indicates a latency in the flow control. It probably happens under OS/2 because there is a lot more overhead -- MS-DOS Kermit is running through a bunch of other compatibility layers, drivers, etc, that are not present when running in real DOS. You didn't say what kind of connection you have, but assuming it's a serial one, you should try to arrange things so you can use RTS/CTS hardware flow control, which does not suffer from the latency problems of software flow control methods like Xon/Xoff. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 2 10:29:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17779 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA00276 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 10:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit on VMS - what am I doing WRONG Date: 2 Oct 1996 14:28:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-ID: <52tu7b$p8s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <52tl48$437@niamh.indigo.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <52tl48$437@niamh.indigo.ie>, Eoin C. Bairéad wrote: : I've put C-Kermit on a VAX running VMS, to replace Kermit-32, : and I want to write a simple script to login to a unix box, and : transfer a file. : : So I define CKERMIT as a foreign command and I go: : $ CKERMIT : : C-Kermit>set line ker$comm : C-Kermit>out \13 : C-Kermit>input 5 login: : C-Kermit>out username\13 : C-Kermit>input 5 Password: : C-Kermit>out secret\13 : C-Kermit>input 5 $ : C-Kermit>out ckermit -x\13 : C-Kermit>send myfile.dat : C-Kermit>finish : C-Kermit>out exit\13 : : and that works fine. : : so I put the above lines in a file - XFILE.INI : set line ker$comm : out \13 : input 5 login: : out username\13 : input 5 Password: : out secret\13 : input 5 $ : out ckermit -x\13 : send myfile.dat : finish : out exit\13 : : and I go: : $ CKERMIT : C-Kermit>take XFILE.ini : : and it falls over - it doesn't seem to want to OUTPUT anything : and I get "invalid password" messages. : : Am I doing anything wrong ???? : The commands are the same but the timing is different. The remote UNIX system clears its typeahead buffer *after* issuing the Password: prompt but before reading the password, but the script is sending the password instantly. Insert a little pause: set line ker$comm out \13 input 5 login: out username\13 input 5 Password: pause 1 ; <-- Add this out secret\13 input 5 $ out ckermit -x\13 send myfile.dat finish out exit\13 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 2 21:27:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA13756 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 21:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA14949 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 2 Oct 1996 21:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!news.new-york.net!wlbr!news.cerf.net!news Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2nd post: Chars lost by DOS Ker under OS/2 during macros Date: 2 Oct 1996 23:20:06 GMT Organization: Space Computer Corporation Lines: 12 Message-ID: <52utb6$pv3@news.cerf.net> References: <52ttir$otq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: spacecc@cerf.net NNTP-Posting-Host: default34.isdn-cit.cerfnet.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 In <52ttir$otq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >You didn't say what kind of connection you have, but assuming it's a >serial one, you should try to arrange things so you can use RTS/CTS hardware >flow control, which does not suffer from the latency problems of software >flow control methods like Xon/Xoff. I'm using VMODEM so that Kermit sees a serial connection, but in reality it is the local Ethernet which connects to the VAX. I was under the impression that Xon/Xoff is the only flow control that is operational in that configuration. Bill Kendall From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 3 09:53:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05121 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA21386 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2nd post: Chars lost by DOS Ker under OS/2 during macros Date: 3 Oct 1996 13:53:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <530gg1$qe6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <52ttir$otq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <52utb6$pv3@news.cerf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <52utb6$pv3@news.cerf.net>, wrote: : In <52ttir$otq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : : >You didn't say what kind of connection you have, but assuming it's a : >serial one, you should try to arrange things so you can use RTS/CTS hardware : >flow control, which does not suffer from the latency problems of software : >flow control methods like Xon/Xoff. : : I'm using VMODEM so that Kermit sees a serial connection, but in reality it : is the local Ethernet which connects to the VAX. I was under the impression : that Xon/Xoff is the only flow control that is operational in that : configuration. : In that case all bets are off. I recommend you use the native OS/2 C-Kermit, which supports TCP/IP directly, rather than MS-DOS Kermit. Then you won't have a problem. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html In particular, see the material towards the end of: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html on the perils of using serial communications software with VMODEM rather than true TCP/IP client software. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 3 19:19:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11318 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA05212 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 19:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.new-york.net!wlbr!news.cerf.net!news Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2nd post: Chars lost by DOS Ker under OS/2 during macros Date: 3 Oct 1996 21:49:22 GMT Organization: Space Computer Corporation Lines: 15 Message-ID: <531cd2$gi8@news.cerf.net> References: <52ttir$otq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <52utb6$pv3@news.cerf.net> <530gg1$qe6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: spacecc@cerf.net NNTP-Posting-Host: default11.isdn-cit.cerfnet.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 In <530gg1$qe6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >... >In that case all bets are off. I recommend you use the native OS/2 C-Kermit, >which supports TCP/IP directly, rather than MS-DOS Kermit. Then you won't >have a problem. >... My problem is that I must have the Tektronix graphics of the MSDOS version for this particular application. Right now I have a fairly ugly work-around on the VAX which solves the problem for this specific case. I was hoping for a more straightforward solution, but for now I'm ok. BTW, the item at the top of my wish list for C-Kermit is full Tektronix graphics. Bill Kendall From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 3 20:35:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20613 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 20:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA06978 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 20:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2nd post: Chars lost by DOS Ker under OS/2 during macros Date: 4 Oct 1996 00:35:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <531m4i$inl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <52utb6$pv3@news.cerf.net> <530gg1$qe6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <531cd2$gi8@news.cerf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <531cd2$gi8@news.cerf.net>, wrote: : In <530gg1$qe6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : >... : >In that case all bets are off. I recommend you use the native OS/2 C-Kermit, : >which supports TCP/IP directly, rather than MS-DOS Kermit. Then you won't : >have a problem. : >... : My problem is that I must have the Tektronix graphics of the MSDOS version for this : particular application. Right now I have a fairly ugly work-around on the VAX which : solves the problem for this specific case. I was hoping for a more straightforward : solution, but for now I'm ok. BTW, the item at the top of my wish list for C-Kermit : is full Tektronix graphics. This will require a complete GUI solution for OS/2 which I hate to say will probably never be created. Too much effort, not a large enough market. The next release of C-Kermit for OS/2 will have many additional emulations. But graphical ones are not a part of it. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 3 22:38:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA04196 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA09665 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!lwilson From: lwilson@fc.hp.com (Loren Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can file transfer interrupt X be remapped ? Date: 4 Oct 1996 02:01:01 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Lines: 14 Message-ID: <531r4t$4sb@fcnews.fc.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: starcom.fc.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.2] Hello, I am having a problem transfering files from a pc using "Procom" to a HP-UX system running kermit 5A(189) server. I can transfer any file with the exception of files whose name begins with the letter x. If I rename a file to another name, it will transfer. As hundreds of files are involved, renaming is not an option. I cannot find in the c-kermit book how to remap the file transfer interrupt to some other character. I have captured debug output and can see where the file is discarded. Any help or pointers appreciated. Thanks, Loren Wilson lwilson@fc.hp.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 3 23:35:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10360 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 23:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA10948 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Oct 1996 23:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2nd post: Chars lost by DOS Ker under OS/2 during macros Message-ID: <1996Oct3.204143.86095@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Oct 96 20:41:42 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 In article , "Space Computer Corp." writes: > No response to the first post of this, but I'm still looking for > suggestions for a solution. Can anyone relate to this? -- > > I am running DOS Kermit 3.14, Patch 9, under OS/2 Warp with a FOSSIL > connection using Ray Gwinn's SIO programs. This works fine for > "normal" usage, but while Kermit is executing the "Product" macro it > appears that the input buffer overflows, and characters are lost. > (This procedure worked perfectly when DOS Kermit was run under actual > DOS, rather than a DOS window under OS/2.) More specifically, the > host is a VAX/VMS system, and both the host and Kermit are set for > xon/xoff flow control. The host sends the escape sequence to cause > Kermit to execute the "Product" macro, which in this case is just "log > session file.dat", and follows this immediately with a data stream. > The beginning of the data stream is captured in file.dat, then there > is a big gap, then the rest of the data stream is captured. A similar > thing happens when the second "Product" macro is executed. In this > case, the host sends another escape sequence to cause Kermit to > execute the second "Product" macro, which is just "close session; run > myprogram.exe", followed by more data for the Kermit screen. The > logging is correctly ended, myprogram.exe is correctly executed, and > the first of the data for the Kermit screen is correctly buffered (it > is received while myprogram.exe is running). When myprogram.exe ends > and control is returned to Kermit, Kermit shows the screen data it > correctly buffered, but everything after that (about half a screen > full) sent while myprogram.exe was executing is lost. > > One more observation which may be relevant: When a long stream of > data is being sent to Kermit from the host, I can hit ctrl-S on the > keyboard to suspend the sending of data, but it keeps coming for > several seconds, which seems like an inordinately long time, and makes > me suspect that Kermit's xoff signals are not being sent to the host > quickly enough to prevent buffer overflow. When I type ctrl-Q to > resume sending, the response is pretty quick, but not really > instantaneous (to the eye). No, the XOFF goes out instantly, but there is a huge amount of data in transmission buffers etc. The proper way to stop on a dime locally is to use Digital's HoldScreen button, keyboard verb \Kholdscrn. > Has anyone else encountered similar problems, and is there a setting > of Kermit's parameters which will prevent this? The overflow isn't Kermit's fault, as you amply demonstrated with the DOS test. I think the fundamental problem is you are using XON/XOFF flow control, and Kermit is provding that support on the local end, and there is that large amount of buffering in transit, cited above. Better to let modems use hardware flow control, RTS/CTS, which is a local-only effect and then the consequences are propagated upstream by the other modem, etc. Joe D. > > Bill Kendall From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 4 11:28:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10885 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18172 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 11:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can file transfer interrupt X be remapped ? Date: 4 Oct 1996 15:28:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <533aeu$hnq@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <531r4t$4sb@fcnews.fc.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <531r4t$4sb@fcnews.fc.hp.com>, Loren Wilson wrote: : I am having a problem transfering files from a pc using "Procom" : to a HP-UX system running kermit 5A(189) server. I can transfer any file : with the exception of files whose name begins with the letter x. : If I rename a file to another name, it will transfer. As hundreds of : files are involved, renaming is not an option. I cannot find : in the c-kermit book how to remap the file transfer interrupt to : some other character. I have captured debug output and can see where : the file is discarded. Any help or pointers appreciated. : The protocol for file transfer interruption (as opposed to the user interface) is just that: a protocol. You can't remap it. Procomm has a bug in its implementation of the Kermit protocol. The solution is not to use Procomm. Instead, use MS-DOS Kermit, which works correctly: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 4 18:44:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14800 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03389 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 18:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!news-in.tiac.net!posterchild!news@tiac.net From: Art Lucey Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit95 Date: 4 Oct 1996 21:45:46 GMT Organization: Compu-Craft Lines: 3 Message-ID: <5340ia$cu9@news-central.tiac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccraft.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) Does Kermit95 support mscreens under SCO using SCO console or Wyse 60 emulations? From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 5 14:43:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23424 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 14:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA00404 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 14:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2nd post: Chars lost by DOS Ker under OS/2 during macros Message-ID: <1996Oct5.111806.86177@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Oct 96 11:18:06 MDT References: <531cd2$gi8@news.cerf.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 In article <531cd2$gi8@news.cerf.net>, wbk@ writes: > In <530gg1$qe6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >>... >>In that case all bets are off. I recommend you use the native OS/2 C-Kermit, >>which supports TCP/IP directly, rather than MS-DOS Kermit. Then you won't >>have a problem. >>... > My problem is that I must have the Tektronix graphics of the MSDOS version for this > particular application. Right now I have a fairly ugly work-around on the VAX which > solves the problem for this specific case. I was hoping for a more straight forward > solution, but for now I'm ok. BTW, the item at the top of my wish list for C-Kermit > is full Tektronix graphics. ---------- If the connection to the VAX is TCP/IP, not through a converter box such as a LAT terminal server, then TCP/IP itself has intrinsic flow control and you should be able to turn off XON/XOFF flow control at both ends. Btw, just to clarify a point above, Tektronix the company has made a very wide range of graphical display terminals, from the old venerable Tek 4010 through a variety of very high end complex terminals. So there isn't a simple definition of "Tek graphics" let alone "full Tek graphics." Most of the modern Tek terminals are impractical to emulate because those devices have far more hardware capability (and memory) than PCs. Joe D.