From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 6 16:34:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12823 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 16:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA08164 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 16:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Ireland.EU.net!login.ieunet.ie!ebairead From: ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-KERMIT on VAX/VMS - what am I doing wrong ??? Date: 6 Oct 1996 20:25:16 GMT Organization: EUnet Ireland customer Lines: 44 Message-ID: <5394jc$qc2@ezekiel.ieunet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.ieunet.ie X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I've put C-Kermit on a VAX running VMS, to replace Kermit-32, and I want to write a simple script to login to a unix box, and transfer a file. So I define CKERMIT as a foreign command and I go: $ CKERMIT C-Kermit>set line ker$comm C-Kermit>out \13 C-Kermit>input 5 login: C-Kermit>out username\13 C-Kermit>input 5 Password: C-Kermit>out secret\13 C-Kermit>input 5 $ C-Kermit>out ckermit -x\13 C-Kermit>send myfile.dat C-Kermit>finish C-Kermit>out exit\13 and that works fine. so I put the above lines in a file - XFILE.INI set line ker$comm out \13 input 5 login: out username\13 input 5 Password: out secret\13 input 5 $ out ckermit -x\13 send myfile.dat finish out exit\13 and I go: $ CKERMIT C-Kermit>take XFILE.ini and it falls over - it doesn't seem to want to OUTPUT anything and I get "invalid password" messages. Am I doing anything wrong ???? Eoin From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 6 20:45:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA19338 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 20:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA16215 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 20:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!omni2!cmosley From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: APC unchecked Date: 6 Oct 1996 17:56:55 GMT Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 42 Message-ID: <538rt7$9si@news1.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Has anyone ever come across a malevolent string? I don't think anyone who uses kermit would do such a thing but there are people who don't use kermit. Could there ever be another option "private" as well as on, off and unchecked, that would allow the first command to be a user specified string - a password. Unchecked would would include "private". That is, if a "password" string were set: unchecked would bypass the first command (the password) within the string if it matched the password and execute it if it didn't, and private would execute the string only if the password were matched. ON would allow "private" but maintain protection for APC strings that didn't contain the password: if password were set then any APC string that had the password as its first command would allow possibly destructive commands e.g. run commands. If the string didn't possess the password only safe commands would be allowed. This last option would protect against harmful strings aimed at a large target and allow groups of users to benifit from automated safe commands, while still allowing the individual user to automate interactions between local and remote machines, without keeping track of, and changing the APC status. Actually it never bothered me until I posted an APC string to a local test newsgroup and viewed it using tin. Well what happened is what I knew would happen but it startled me just the same. Thanks Christopher Mosley From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 6 21:09:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20724 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 21:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA17058 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 21:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.aa.net!news.aa.net!croten From: croten@big.aa.net (Charles Roten) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Line noise stats in C-Kermit ?? Date: 06 Oct 1996 23:50:05 GMT Organization: Alternate Access Incorporated Lines: 31 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: big.aa.net Well, I seem (at first blush) to have gotten around the problem I mentioned last time, about dropped connections. My ISP has installed a rack of digital modems which seem much better able to hold a connection. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I installed a test version of C-Kermit 5A(190), as my ISP's tech support folks did later. As a stopgap, File Transfer Recovery seems to work quite well .. though re-establishing a connection once it is severed still makes this a matter which is problematic for unattended downloads. Still, if the digital modems perform as they seem to be doing so far, "paid" may have been put to this particular problem. But this brings up another issue .. the status of my local telco's lines. They are now a matter for suspicion. I found nothing in the C-Kermit book, or in Kermit News, about a way to use Kermit to troubleshoot lines. Something like a log of line problems, or a "line integrity check" mode that would bounce packets back and forth across the chosen transmission line, and keep records of the lossage and symptoms. Is this extant but undocumented ? Planned ? Not planned ? Or has it been in the docs all the time, but merely evaded my eye ? It would seem to be a useful feature. Especially for a program that does not have to fit inside the MESS-LOSS straitjacket. And given the .. how shall I say it ?? .. "less than perfect" record of local telcos in dealing with line problems. Thanks in advance. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 6 22:59:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00431 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 22:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA20226 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 6 Oct 1996 22:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!agate!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!alph02.triumf.ca!shoppa From: shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Line noise stats in C-Kermit ?? Date: 7 Oct 1996 02:59:43 GMT Organization: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 35 Message-ID: <539rmv$rft@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: alph02.triumf.ca In article , Charles Roten wrote: >But this brings up another issue .. the status of my local telco's >lines. They are now a matter for suspicion. > >I found nothing in the C-Kermit book, or in Kermit News, about a way >to use Kermit to troubleshoot lines. Something like a log of line >problems, or a "line integrity check" mode that would bounce packets >back and forth across the chosen transmission line, and keep records >of the lossage and symptoms. In the days of 300/1200/2400 baud modems without error correction, the scheme you are proposing could be worthwhile. But with modern error correcting modems, there are so many layers buffering the data between both ends that a determination of line quality by observing the data to/from the modem can be very, very difficult. The connection tends to either work or drop. And when the connection drops, I find that the cause is more likely a bug in the modem's firmware or a negotiation incompatibility between the two modems - though certainly marginal line conditions can make things worse. Most modems today can be told to disable error correction and compression, and this would be the place to start doing what you propose. It would also be wise to figure out how to "lock" both modems into some specific rate before performing such tests. On the other hand, many of the best modems available today can report error/retry statistics through AT-style command packets. Some of the really top notch external modems have LCD displays on the front that display such information. Needless to say, you won't find any of these features on RPI modems... Tim. (shoppa@triumf.ca) From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 7 09:42:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08027 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA26897 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-KERMIT on VAX/VMS - what am I doing wrong ??? Date: 7 Oct 1996 09:42:40 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-ID: <53b1cg$7qn@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5394jc$qc2@ezekiel.ieunet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <5394jc$qc2@ezekiel.ieunet.ie>, Eoin Bairead wrote: : I've put C-Kermit on a VAX running VMS, to replace Kermit-32, : and I want to write a simple script to login to a unix box, and : transfer a file. : : So I define CKERMIT as a foreign command and I go: : $ CKERMIT : : C-Kermit>set line ker$comm : C-Kermit>out \13 : C-Kermit>input 5 login: : C-Kermit>out username\13 : C-Kermit>input 5 Password: : C-Kermit>out secret\13 : C-Kermit>input 5 $ : C-Kermit>out ckermit -x\13 : C-Kermit>send myfile.dat : C-Kermit>finish : C-Kermit>out exit\13 : : and that works fine. : : so I put the above lines in a file - XFILE.INI : set line ker$comm : out \13 : input 5 login: : out username\13 : input 5 Password: : out secret\13 : input 5 $ : out ckermit -x\13 : send myfile.dat : finish : out exit\13 : : and I go: : $ CKERMIT : C-Kermit>take XFILE.ini : : and it falls over - it doesn't seem to want to OUTPUT anything : and I get "invalid password" messages. : You posted this same question about a week ago and I answered it, right? Once again: try inserting "sleep 1" after "input 5 Password:" and before "out secret\13". For a fuller explanation, see the earlier posting, or the manual, "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 7 10:05:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10404 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA27551 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: APC unchecked Date: 7 Oct 1996 14:04:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <53b2lv$82@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <538rt7$9si@news1.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <538rt7$9si@news1.voicenet.com>, Christopher Mosley wrote: : Has anyone ever come across a malevolent string? : I don't think anyone who uses kermit would do such a thing : but there are people who don't use kermit. : : Could there ever be another option "private" as well as : on, off and unchecked, that would allow the first command to : be a user specified string - a password. Unchecked would : would include "private". That is, if a "password" string were : set: unchecked would bypass the first command (the password) : within the string if it matched the password and execute it : if it didn't, and private would execute the string only if : the password were matched. : : ON would allow "private" but maintain protection for APC : strings that didn't contain the password: if password were set : then any APC string that had the password as its first command : would allow possibly destructive commands e.g. run commands. : If the string didn't possess the password only safe commands would : be allowed. : : This last option would protect against harmful strings aimed : at a large target and allow groups of users to benifit : from automated safe commands, while still allowing the individual : user to automate interactions between local and remote machines, : without keeping track of, and changing the APC status. : : Actually it never bothered me until I posted an APC string : to a local test newsgroup and viewed it using tin. Well : what happened is what I knew would happen but it : startled me just the same. : The balance between security and convenience is a delicate one, especially in an inherently insecure environment like a terminal session, and even more especially when the underlying OS (such as DOS) lacks the very concept of security. No matter where you look, there are pitfalls -- sending passwords in the clear, sending passwords over an un-error-corrected channel, and so on. It is definitely an area that needs a lot of attention; we know that the APC mechanism is not a perfect solution and we are looking into alternatives, but the results will probably not be visible for some time to come. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 7 10:33:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10074 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA28219 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Line noise stats in C-Kermit ?? Date: 7 Oct 1996 14:32:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 117 Message-ID: <53b49n$188@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Charles Roten wrote: : Well, I seem (at first blush) to have gotten around the problem I : mentioned last time, about dropped connections. My ISP has : installed a rack of digital modems which seem much better able to : hold a connection. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I installed a test : version of C-Kermit 5A(190), as my ISP's tech support folks did : later. As a stopgap, File Transfer Recovery seems to work quite : well .. though re-establishing a connection once it is severed still : makes this a matter which is problematic for unattended downloads. : That's what the script language is for. Sample script enclosed below. (The script applies to uploads but it can easily be turned in the other direction.) : Still, if the digital modems perform as they seem to be doing so far, : "paid" may have been put to this particular problem. : : But this brings up another issue .. the status of my local telco's : lines. They are now a matter for suspicion. : : I found nothing in the C-Kermit book, or in Kermit News, about a way : to use Kermit to troubleshoot lines. Something like a log of line : problems, or a "line integrity check" mode that would bounce packets : back and forth across the chosen transmission line, and keep records : of the lossage and symptoms. : : Is this extant but undocumented ? Planned ? Not planned ? Or has : it been in the docs all the time, but merely evaded my eye ? : It would be nice to have, of course, but depends entirely on direct access to the UART -- otherwise the device driver hides this info from us -- framing errors and the like. Only in MS-DOS Kermit do we have direct access to the UART, and then only when running directly in DOS, not in a Windows window. Conceivably we could build in a bit-error-rate tester, but it would be of limited usefulness. As Tim Shoppa pointed out, the modems themselves hide the problems, unless you are using non-error-correcting model. One can turn a PC into a BER tester only when one has total confidence in the PC's hardware and configuration; certainly not when the software can be installed on any misconfigured or substandard PC -- e.g. one with non-buffered UART and/or interrupt conflicts and/or memory conflicts, etc. In short, when bad data arrives, it does not carry a history of how it got that way: not just line noise, but also buffer overruns, lack of effective flow control, interrupt conflicts, loose connectors or wires, loose boards in the PC, lack of transparency in any of the intervening equipment, modem bugs (see comp.dcom.modems), other problems in the intervening equipment (think of terminal servers): overloading, bugs, misconfiguration, etc. Not so long ago, a popular brand of terminal server had a bug that caused it to swap bytes when its load became high. : It would seem to be a useful feature. Especially for a program that : does not have to fit inside the MESS-LOSS straitjacket. And given : the .. how shall I say it ?? .. "less than perfect" record of local : telcos in dealing with line problems. : That's why companies that make test equipment get the big bucks. It's highly specialized gear. Back to recovery. Here's an MS-DOS Kermit script published in Kermit News #6, that really, really sends a file. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or later is required; C-Kermit 5A(190) or later is on the far end. Adapt as needed: ask \%u { username: } askq \%p { \%u's password: } ; Settings for entire session. ; define \%s 20 ; Seconds to pause between each try define \%n 7654321 ; Phone number set port com1 ; Communication port set modem pp14400 ; Modem type (dial with PP14400.SCR) set file type binary ; File transfer mode must be binary set input timeout quit ; This is just to keep the script program short... set count 50 ; Try up to 50 times to send the file goto nomsg ; Skip message the first time :LOOP ; Come here to redial hangup ; Give the phone line a rest echo CONNECTION BROKEN. echo Pausing for \%s seconds... sleep \%s Echo redialing... :NOMSG dial \%n ; Dial the phone number if fail goto AGAIN ; Keep trying... output \13 ; System answered, send a carriage return input 15 login: ; Get UNIX login prompt output \%u\13 ; Send user ID input 8 Password: ; Get UNIX password prompt output \%p\13 ; Send password input 60 {$ } ; Get UNIX system prompt cd \budget ; CD to desired local source directory output cd budget\13 ; and remote destination directory input 8 {$ } ; Get system prompt out kermit -r\13 ; kermit -r(eceive) on remote system input 10 KERMIT READY ; Wait for READY message pause 1 ; Plus a second for safety resend fy9495.wks ; RESEND the file if success goto done ; Success means file is completely transferred :AGAIN if count goto LOOP ; Otherwise, try again. Stop 1 Too many tries. ; Too many tries, give up. :DONE echo File transferred OK ; Success, give message output exit\13 ; Log out from remote computer pause 5 ; Give it time... hangup ; Hang up stop 0 Script succeeded ; Finished, the end. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 7 19:38:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19305 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA12193 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 7 Oct 1996 19:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.new-york.net!wlbr!news.cerf.net!nic.cerf.net!spacecc From: "Space Computer Corp." Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2nd post: Chars lost by DOS Ker under OS/2 during macros Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 15:03:24 -0700 Organization: CERFnet Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.cerf.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1996Oct5.111806.86177@cc.usu.edu> On 5 Oct 1996, Joe Doupnik wrote: >... So there isn't a simple definition of "Tek graphics" let alone "full > Tek graphics." Most of the modern Tek terminals are impractical to emulate > because those devices have far more hardware capability (and memory) than PCs. Actually, I don't know why I said "full" Tek graphics. I would be happy with the 4010 (?) emulation in MSDOS Kermit. Bill K. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 8 05:21:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA03186 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 05:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA27241 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 05:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!dtinews!news From: Jim Tittsler Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ZMODEM filename conflicts Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 18:18:01 +0900 Organization: Dream Train Internet Lines: 5 Message-ID: <325A1C49.17BAE11E@mars.dtinet.or.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp23.tokyo.dtinet.or.jp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.21 i586) K95 1.17 seems to overwrite files downloaded with ZMODEM even when I have the dialer set to rename on filename conflicts. Is this a known problem or am I doing something wrong? Jim 7j1ajh@amsat.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 8 13:46:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15811 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA28975 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM filename conflicts Date: 8 Oct 1996 17:46:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <53e41d$bd4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <325A1C49.17BAE11E@mars.dtinet.or.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <325A1C49.17BAE11E@mars.dtinet.or.jp>, Jim Tittsler wrote: : K95 1.17 seems to overwrite files downloaded with ZMODEM even when : I have the dialer set to rename on filename conflicts. Is this a : known problem or am I doing something wrong? : It appears to be a bug. We'll fix it in the next patch. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 8 20:25:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26927 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA09641 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing C-Kermit 6.0: The final Beta Date: 9 Oct 1996 00:25:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 169 Message-ID: <53erd4$pdp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is to announce the final Beta test edit of C-Kermit 6.0.192 for UNIX, VMS, and AOS/VS, hopefully to be joined by several other operating systems along the way. The previous general release of C-Kermit was 5A(190) in October 1994. The previous 6.0 Beta test, 6.0.192 Beta.029, was announced on August 23. The changes since version 5A(190) are listed in the accumulated Beta announcements in the MAIL.TXT file (see below). This is Beta.030. The changes since Beta.029 are minimal: . New command-line option -B to force background (batch) mode. . New \fbasename(filespec) function. . PRINT command now allows trailing print options. . Numerous "make the compiler happy" changes. . READ from OPEN !READ (process) fixed. . File transfer display now shows byte count if percent unknown. . { ENABLE, DISABLE } [ { REMOTE, LOCAL, BOTH } ] . SET DIAL CONNECT { OFF, { { ON, AUTO } [ { VEBOSE, QUIET } ] } } . SWITCH command fixed to work with macro arguments. . \ is no longer a line continuation character. . INPUT -1 blah now waits forever for "blah". . New "all-in-1" VMS build procedure, CKVKER.COM. . REMOTE TYPE VMS-to-VMS no longer sends a labeled-format file. . Numerous VMS-specific bugs fixed. . Various help texts updated. BUILT AND TESTED ON... DEC 5800 with Ultrix 4.3 DEC Alpha with Digital UNIX 3.2 DEC MicroVAX-II with Bell Research UNIX V10 DEC PDP-11/44 with 2.11 BSD HP 9000 with HP-UX 8.00 and 9.05 IBM Power Series 400 AIX 4.1 NeXTstation, NeXTSTEP 3.1 PCs with BSDI 2.1 PCs with Red Hat Linux / Kernel 1.2.13 PCs with SCO Open Server R5.0 PCs with Unixware 2.10 SGI Indigo with IRIX 5.3 Sun SPARC, SunOS 4.1.3_U1 Sun SPARC, Solaris 2.4, 2.5 with and without SunLink X.25 9.00 MicroVAX-II VMS 5.4-2 VAXC 3.1 TGV 3.3D MicroVAX-II VMS 5.4-2 VAXC 3.1 no nets VAX 3100/38 VMS 5.5-1 VAXC 3.1 UCX VAX 3100/38 VMS 5.5-1 VAXC 3.1 no nets Alpha 3000 400 VMS 6.1 DECC 4.0-000 TGV 3.5B Alpha 2100 4/200 VMS 6.1 DECC 5.3-006 TGV 3.5B Alpha 2100 4/200 VMS 6.1 DECC 5.3-006 no nets Alpha 2000 5/300 VMS 6.2 DECC 4.0-000 TGV 3.5B Alpha 2000 5/300 VMS 6.2 DECC 4.0-000 no nets Alpha 3000 300L VMS 6.2 DECC 5.2-003 TGV 4.0 VAX 3100 VMS 6.2 DECC 5.3-006 TGV 4.0A Alpha 200 4/166 VMS 6.2 DECC 5.3-006 TGV 4.0A Alpha 200 4/166 VMS 6.2 DECC 5.3-006 no nets Data General MV 2500/DC AOS/VS II 2.20.00.39 + TCP/IP Thanks to all of you who tested the last Beta and sent in reports. Special thanks to Martin Zinser of the Gesellschaft fuer Schwerionenforschung GSI, Darmstadt, and Joellen Windsor of the University of Arizona for the new VMS build procedure, and (again) to Peter Eichhorn for detailed and exhaustive tests (and quite a few excellent suggestions), and as always to Jeff Altman. Here are some notes about specific versions: THE MACINTOSH VERSION Nothing new. My Mac died so I can't even compile it any more. Nobody else has exhibited any interest in working on Mac Kermit, so unless things take a radical and unexpected turn, Mac Kermit is a relic. THE VMS VERSION Built on VAX with Multinet and UCX, and on Alpha with Multinet (and of course on both with no network support at all). Binaries needed for Alpha/UCX as well as for Wollongong, TCPware, CMU/Tek, etc -- everything but Multinet. THE AOS/VS VERSION I can still build it myself for AOS/VS-II (but probably not for too much longer -- the old MV disk is starting to crumble), but this version does not work on AOS/VS Classic, and some people have been asking for it. Somebody with an AOS/VS Classic system with the DG C compiler and linker needs to build it and make the binary available. THE OS-9 VERSION We now have a 68000 binary for the OS-9 version of Beta.029: kermit/test/bin/ck9ker.exe, dated 2 Sep 96; hopefully the Beta.030 binary will appear shortly. Still no news on OS-9000. THE AMIGA VERSION from the previous Beta is in kermit/test/bin/ckiker.exe dated 16 Sep 96. WHERE TO GET IT (the regular place): Quick access for Web users: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit Follow the "What's New" link (reload if necessary). The new test version is available via anonymous ftp from: kermit.columbia.edu in the kermit/test directory tree: kermit/test/text/ Contains individual source files, documentation files, makefiles, etc; ftp in text mode. The general formula for getting all the files you need for a particular version is: text prompt mget ck[cuw]*.[cwh] ck?*.* (where ? = v for VMS, m for Macintosh, 9 for OS-9, etc) kermit/test/tar/ The complete UNIX sources, makefile, and documentation files as compressed tar archives: cku192.tar.Z (uncompress) and cku192.tar.gz (gunzip) kermit/test/bin/ Individual binaries, all of them used to transfer themselves (in binary mode, of course :-) ftp them in binary mode. The READ.ME file in this directory explains what is what (text mode for this file only). NOTE: The VMS versions now have long descriptive names showing the hardware (A or V), VMS version, C compiler and version, and TCP/IP product and version. The rest of the missing VMS binaries are needed. kermit/test/vms Contains the VMS C-Kermit sources in convenient BACKUP saveset format, hexified using CKVHEX.MAR, dehexifiable with CKVDEH.MAR, both also in the same directory. As always, the primary documentation for C-Kermit is the book "Using C-Kermit", supplemented by the following files, in kermit/test/text/: MAIL.TXT -- announcements ckcker.upd -- documentation for new features. dialing.doc -- new dialing features modems.doc -- new modem support and features ckuker.nr -- UNIX man page ck?ker.bwr -- "beware" file for ?=u (UNIX), v (VMS), etc. ck?ins.doc -- installation instructions for u (UNIX), v (VMS), etc. ckccfg.doc -- configuration options ckcplm.doc -- program logic manual Reports of all kinds -- good, bad -- are most welcome; please send them straight to me: fdc@columbia.edu BINARIES NEEDED Binaries for this final Beta version that are not already present -- for DG/UX, Solaris/Intel, Solaris/PowerPC, VMS with other TCP/IP products, whatever you have -- are needed. This is the last chance before the final release to discover if you *can* make a binary for your platform. If you can make a binary please send email to me at fdc@columbia.edu and make arrangements to upload it. If you tried and failed to build this version, also send me mail so we can work out the kinks. Alternatively, I'm more than happy to do it myself if I can get Telnet and FTP access to an appropriate development platform. Watch the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup for further announcements. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 8 21:58:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07510 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA12003 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!news.uoregon.edu!news.unisys.com.br!news.embratel.net.br!usenet From: dsupacx@nic.embratel.net.br (af2) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script C-Kermit to Linux Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 22:59:56 GMT Organization: Empresa Brasileira de Telecomunicacoes Lines: 15 Message-ID: <53epm2$kj6@rjo02.embratel.net.br> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.255.254.166 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hi all I'm trying work with C-Kermit under Linux. How can I use an script to connect to the remote server? I'm looking for a script at the moment for connecting to a host machine. Thanks in advance ! Please send help step by step. OK ???? Thanks in advance. Ade From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 9 17:47:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03167 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA01975 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!psinntp!psinntp!interramp.com!usenet From: remove1@juno.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ------>FREE DEMO<--------- Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:23:42 Organization: PSINet Lines: 26 Message-ID: <53h4sp$mla@usenet4.interramp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.14.101.141 Greetings! This email is intended for persons that are interested in electronic marketing and online business. Your email addresses was selected because you were listed in the net abuse newsgroup as someone who probably had their message deleted. If you are interested in learning how you can market online in a way that the cyber-cops can't stop you, read on. If you don't fall into this category please excuse the intrusion and ignore this message. Within my targeted group electronic marketers and online businesses, I am especially looking for individuals that are interested in marketing using email. If you are in that group, you may be interested in a software package I distribute called Email Works. If you'd like more information and a FREE DEMO simply call our offices at: 609-933-0644 or 212-953-5234 Don't reply to the email address from which this came for more information. If you want to be placed on my remove list, reply to the address you received this email from with the word remove in the subject line. Thank you, Lisa From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 9 21:51:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA02179 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 21:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA08249 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 21:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!news.interpac.be!news From: "Alain DAMAY" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit in Belgium ? Date: 9 Oct 1996 12:40:16 GMT Organization: SA MATCH Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bbb5dd$befbe640$15314ec2@ADAMAY> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.78.49.21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Is it possible to buy KERMIT in Belgium ? Are there specialists in Belgium for support, helpdesk, ... ? I need KERMIT licences for : 1 telecom server (4 or 5 modems V34) on Windows/NT server 2 remote sites MS/DOS 49 remote sites OS/2 1.3 3 remote sites Windows 3.11 3 remote sites Windows 95 Modems on remote sites are V22bis, V32 or V34 Is it possible to download these softwares ? Freeware ? From where ? What are the costs ? There are certainly books ... where can I buy them in Belgium ? Thank you for your help ! From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 10 03:20:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA09472 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA17022 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 03:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!wilbur.ohww.norman.ok.us!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <53h4sp$mla@usenet4.interramp.com> Date: 10 Oct 1996 06:54:03 GMT Control: cancel <53h4sp$mla@usenet4.interramp.com> Message-ID: Sender: remove1@juno.com X-Cancelled-By: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us X-No-Archive: Yes Approved: y Lines: 3 Spam cancelled. Notice ID: 19961010.18. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce or http://spam.ohww.norman.ok.us/spam_notices/19961010.18.html for complete report. Original Subject: ------>FREE DEMO<--------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 10 08:52:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20675 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA14442 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in Belgium ? Date: 10 Oct 1996 12:52:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <53iri2$ai6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bbb5dd$befbe640$15314ec2@ADAMAY> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bbb5dd$befbe640$15314ec2@ADAMAY>, Alain DAMAY wrote: : Is it possible to buy KERMIT in Belgium ? : The Kermit books should be for sale in some book stores, or at least the book stores can order them. See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html : Are there specialists in Belgium for support, helpdesk, ... ? : Not that I know about. Use this newsgroup, or send e-mail to kermit-support@columbia.edu. I'll contact you directly about licensing. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 11 11:18:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11441 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16621 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another, another suggestion ... Date: 11 Oct 1996 14:24:12 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee Lines: 39 Message-ID: <53llac$2c2@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <52ah96$jvo@gnews2.voicenet.com> <52bafa$mnc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <52c0se$soa@gnews2.voicenet.com> <52c7gk$9t6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <52c0se$soa@gnews2.voicenet.com>, : Christopher Mosley wrote: : : Even though sixel is considered primitive with the coming of : : X and Windoz, it allows one to preview images without ppp/slip etc. : : : Yes, hooray. And it is also the basis for host-based WordPerfect's : document previewer. : : With the program *gifsixel* by Favro Renato : : (available free from Decus) one can view four tone dithered : : jpegs/gifs in tin (mime or uuencode - need *metamail*) with a : : push of a key (slight exageration). Same goes for Lynx and Mail, : : ELM etc. There is even a dvi file viewer ... : : : Most people would not believe what you can do with 640K 286... : Of course most people couldn't care less :-) (Or could they?) : : There is also a mythical sixel device driver for ghostscript? : : : There is indeed, but the last time I tried it, it wasn't very useful. : Its page preview made a small rectangle in the middle of the PC screen. : Maybe there is a way to tune it... What is this sixel terminal and which kermit versions support it? I am running 5a(190) for OS/2 right now and am _starved_ for some minimal graphics .... Cheers. Stefan : - Frank -- ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 11 11:34:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16571 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA17142 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another, another suggestion ... Date: 11 Oct 1996 15:34:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <53lpe2$5al@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <52ah96$jvo@gnews2.voicenet.com> <52c0se$soa@gnews2.voicenet.com> <52c7gk$9t6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <53llac$2c2@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <53llac$2c2@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: : What is this sixel terminal and which kermit versions support it? : I am running 5a(190) for OS/2 right now and am _starved_ for some : minimal graphics .... Cheers. Stefan : Sixel was originally intended as a way to send images to dot-matrix printers like the LA50. It is also supported by the VT340 and up. The only Kermit program that supports it, presently, is MS-DOS Kermit. OS/2 C-Kermit can't do it because it is a console mode application, which is not allowed to use graphics. Ditto for Kermit 95. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 14 23:07:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17671 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA27751 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!news.waterloo.hp.com!hpuerci.atl.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!jolt.pagesat.net!pagesat.net!voskovec.radio.cz!nntp.zit.th-darmstadt.de!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ctoomer@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: modem no longer silent with kermit Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 18:29:07 -0700 Organization: Netcom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3262E8E3.6474@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bst-ma2-08.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Oct 14 5:28:23 PM CDT 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E-NC250 (Win95; U; 16bit) I understand how to use the initialization code M0 to silence my modem. That's not the question. I have been using M3 only with my settings for Netcom, my Internet Service Provider, because I want to hear if I'm getting a busy signal or no pickup; then I can redial immediately. For all dialups through Kermit, I have an init string in the K95CUSTOM.INI file that includes M0 for silence. Unfortunately, after increasing the modem speed recently in Netcom, I find that Kermit is ignoring its K95CUSTOM.INI M0 setting and I'm hearing the modem when dialing all of my Kermit entries. Why should this work before and not work now? I have the reset code F1 in both setups so the modem should initialize and reset. I placed an echo line in the K95CUSTOM.INI file so I know that Kermit is reading it. My modem is a US Robotics Sportster 28.8. As far as I can tell, the Windows modem setup has no effect on anything. Any ideas? From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 15 11:06:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19251 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA05056 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem no longer silent with kermit Date: 15 Oct 1996 15:05:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <54097u$j0l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3262E8E3.6474@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3262E8E3.6474@ix.netcom.com>, wrote: : I understand how to use the initialization code M0 to silence my modem. : That's not the question. I have been using M3 only with my : settings for Netcom, my Internet Service Provider, because I want to hear : if I'm getting a busy signal or no pickup; then I can redial immediately. : For all dialups through Kermit, I have an init string in the : K95CUSTOM.INI file that includes M0 for silence. Unfortunately, after : increasing the modem speed recently in Netcom, I find that Kermit is : ignoring its K95CUSTOM.INI M0 setting and I'm hearing the modem when : dialing all of my Kermit entries. Why should this work before and not : work now? I have the reset code F1 in both setups so the modem should : initialize and reset. I placed an echo line in the K95CUSTOM.INI file : so I know that Kermit is reading it. My modem is a US Robotics : Sportster 28.8. As far as I can tell, the Windows modem setup has no : effect on anything. : Correct. Unfortunately, the TAPI configuration is still inaccessible to Kermit 95. This is high on our action list, but probably can't be except by conversion to full GUI, which is well underway. : Any ideas? : Did you read the DOCS\MODEMS.DOC file? Are you using the Dialer? Or are you using K95 bare? Are you sure that K95.EXE is reading your K95CUSTOM.INI file -- e.g. that isn't misplaced? Use "set dial display on" to check that Kermit is really sending the intended init string to your modem, and look to see what the modem's responses are. Hint: remember that in version 1.1.7 you can scroll back the command screen, and you can copy and paste arbitrary amounts of material -- including the entire modem dialing dialog. If the source of the trouble is not obvious, we can solve this problem for you if you send us copies of K95CUSTOM.INI and a copy of the modem dialog. Please email the files to: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 15 16:18:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17333 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA13045 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another, another suggestion ... Message-ID: <1996Oct14.203232.87218@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Oct 96 20:32:32 MDT References: <52ah96$jvo@gnews2.voicenet.com> <53llac$2c2@gaia.ns.utk.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 46 In article <53llac$2c2@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : In article <52c0se$soa@gnews2.voicenet.com>, > : Christopher Mosley wrote: > > : : Even though sixel is considered primitive with the coming of > : : X and Windoz, it allows one to preview images without ppp/slip etc. > : : > : Yes, hooray. And it is also the basis for host-based WordPerfect's > : document previewer. > > : : With the program *gifsixel* by Favro Renato > : : (available free from Decus) one can view four tone dithered > : : jpegs/gifs in tin (mime or uuencode - need *metamail*) with a > : : push of a key (slight exageration). Same goes for Lynx and Mail, > : : ELM etc. There is even a dvi file viewer ... > : : > : Most people would not believe what you can do with 640K 286... > : Of course most people couldn't care less :-) (Or could they?) > > : : There is also a mythical sixel device driver for ghostscript? > : : > : There is indeed, but the last time I tried it, it wasn't very useful. > : Its page preview made a small rectangle in the middle of the PC screen. > : Maybe there is a way to tune it... > > What is this sixel terminal and which kermit versions support it? > I am running 5a(190) for OS/2 right now and am _starved_ for some > minimal graphics .... Cheers. Stefan ------------- MS-DOS Kermit does the Sixel stuff. As the name says, it is a DOS program. Whether one has difficulties doing graphics in an OS/2 DOS box is not remembered here, but you can give it a try. It will do graphics in a DOS window of Windows but when reverting to text mode Windows complains and recommends running it in a full screen DOS box. The older cryptic graphics feature list is text file msvibm.vt, found in directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. There is lots of graphics support in MSK in addition to Sixel. Data General terminal users can obtain extensive support for DG graphics via terminal kinds D463 (mono) and D470 (color). There is Tek 4010 extended, plus enough other material to operate Word Perfect from VMS and Unix machines to a DOS client. To use Sixel graphics be a VT320 terminal, and control the graphics screen resolution with SET TERM GRAPHICS . Please see kermit/msdos, binary file msvibm.zip, for the current release v3.14. V3.15 is in beta test. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 15 16:18:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17332 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA13043 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another, another suggestion ... Message-ID: <1996Oct14.204119.87221@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Oct 96 20:41:19 MDT References: <52ah96$jvo@gnews2.voicenet.com> <53llac$2c2@gaia.ns.utk.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 In article <53llac$2c2@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : In article <52c0se$soa@gnews2.voicenet.com>, > : Christopher Mosley wrote: ----------- Oops. File msvibm.vt is the text mode cryptic list. The graphics file is msvibm.tek, and we seem to have let that disappear through a crack over time. If there is sufficient interest it can be resurrected. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 15 21:16:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04590 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 21:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA20688 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 21:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: "Neeraj Agarwal" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and Terminal Server Date: 16 Oct 1996 01:13:39 GMT Organization: People Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bbbaff$e5336c80$75ecadce@surya> NNTP-Posting-Host: 61045d0009la.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 I am using kermit on Sun/SunOS with a terminal server. I issue the following command: set host host1 port1 which sets the host to host1 and service port1. How do I specify the password for host1? Is there a better way to use the terminal server? Thanks. Neeraj From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 15 22:48:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15193 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 22:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA23057 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 22:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.advtech.uswest.com!uswc.uswest.com!usenet From: ahostma@uswest.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: screen updates and screen reader Date: 15 Oct 1996 20:44:30 -0700 Organization: US WEST SA Usenet News Server Lines: 22 Sender: ahostma@lrp2 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.119.9.162 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.33 Maybe someone here can make some suggestions? A friend at work uses a screen reader (IBM Voice type dictation, I think) and has the need to connect to a Stratus VOS system at work. He connects to the company network with PPP and then telnets to the appropriate system. The problem lies with the fact that he also needs dead solid keyboard mapping, for which I recommended C-Kermit. The result is that the keyboard works fine but his screen reader starts at the top of the screen each time a character is written to the screen. This slows down his work greatly. By the way he is using OS/2 3.0 Warp Connect. Any ideas and or suggestions on where to go from here. -- - - - - - - - < Insert Standard Disclaimer here > - - - - - - Art Hostmark ahostma@uswest.com | Computers make very fast | CIS 70334,444 | very accurate mistakes. | US West Communications - - - - - - - - - - - - - | Of all the things I have lost, I miss my mind the most. | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 16 04:27:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA20843 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 04:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA00946 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 04:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!omni2!cmosley From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another, another suggestion ... Date: 16 Oct 1996 00:04:16 GMT Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 806 Message-ID: <5418q0$pkk@news1.voicenet.com> References: <52ah96$jvo@gnews2.voicenet.com> <53llac$2c2@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <1996Oct14.203232.87218@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: much stuff deleted : ------------- : MS-DOS Kermit does the Sixel stuff. As the name says, it is a DOS : program. Whether one has difficulties doing graphics in an OS/2 DOS box : is not remembered here, but you can give it a try. It will do graphics in : a DOS window of Windows but when reverting to text mode Windows complains : and recommends running it in a full screen DOS box. : The older cryptic graphics feature list is text file msvibm.vt, : found in directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. There is lots of graphics : support in MSK in addition to Sixel. Data General terminal users can obtain : extensive support for DG graphics via terminal kinds D463 (mono) and D470 : (color). There is Tek 4010 extended, plus enough other material to operate : Word Perfect from VMS and Unix machines to a DOS client. : To use Sixel graphics be a VT320 terminal, and control the graphics : screen resolution with SET TERM GRAPHICS . : Please see kermit/msdos, binary file msvibm.zip, for the current : release v3.14. V3.15 is in beta test. : Joe D. At http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskgraphics.html it is written: "The following pictures were captured in a DOS Window of OS/2, then converted to GIF format, and then sized using Xview, and so they are not as detailed or crisp as the originals." _____________________________________________________________________ I apologize in advance for what I am about to do. 1. unzip 2. kermit prompt> set gaphics vga # for proper H x W ratio 3. remote prompt> cat bot begin 600 bot.zip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MLR^M_YKCS_\#_UW^UW_-OK;QS__U_^>__P]02P$"% ,4 " !L14@AY@>S M#62% !7TP P ! @($ 8F]T4$L%!@ ! $ ,0 ' (6% end From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 16 05:34:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA27816 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 05:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA02453 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 05:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!omni2!cmosley From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another, another suggestion ... Date: 16 Oct 1996 01:28:53 GMT Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <541dol$bvq@news1.voicenet.com> References: <52ah96$jvo@gnews2.voicenet.com> <53llac$2c2@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <1996Oct14.204119.87221@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] That's 1. unzip bot 2. set term Tek4010 enabled # kermit graphics mode auto entry 3. set term graphics vga # for proper H x W ratio 4. cat bot # or type bot 5. alt- - # to return to text mode 6. to stop image from disappearing remove chars at the end of the sixel file upto but not including last ^[ . The file should end like this !329?B@B@@!241?$#3>!575?-^[ From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 16 09:54:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05164 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA26654 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Terminal Server Date: 16 Oct 1996 13:54:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <542pdt$r38@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bbbaff$e5336c80$75ecadce@surya> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bbbaff$e5336c80$75ecadce@surya>, Neeraj Agarwal wrote: : I am using kermit on Sun/SunOS with a terminal server. : I issue the following command: : : set host host1 port1 : : which sets the host to host1 and service port1. How do I specify the : password for host1? : So in other words, you want to dial out from the terminal server? If the terminal server prompts you for a password, you can (a) CONNECT and type the password, or (b) write a simple script program to do it. If some other mechanism is required for furnishing the password to the terminal server, I would need to know what it is. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 16 11:15:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20326 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA29432 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: screen updates and screen reader Date: 16 Oct 1996 15:15:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <542u6i$fo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : A friend at work uses a screen reader (IBM Voice type dictation, I : think) and has the need to connect to a Stratus VOS system at work. : He connects to the company network with PPP and then telnets to the : appropriate system. The problem lies with the fact that he also needs : dead solid keyboard mapping, for which I recommended C-Kermit. The : result is that the keyboard works fine but his screen reader starts : at the top of the screen each time a character is written to the : screen. This slows down his work greatly. : By the way he is using OS/2 3.0 Warp Connect. : We'll contact you directly about this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 16 12:42:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25428 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02329 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news.pgh.net!usenet From: David Gentzel Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another, another suggestion ... Date: 16 Oct 1996 12:33:38 -0400 Organization: Pittsburgh OnLine, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <52ah96$jvo@gnews2.voicenet.com> <52c0se$soa@gnews2.voicenet.com> <52c7gk$9t6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <53llac$2c2@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <53lpe2$5al@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.210.67.219 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.30 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > OS/2 C-Kermit can't > do it because it is a console mode application, which is not allowed to > use graphics. Well, while you may mean that it isn't practical, it certainly is possible. After all, the port of the XFree86 servers to OS/2 is a console mode application and it most certainly does use graphics... But, I agree with the basic point that it would require major changes to OS/2 kermit and is in no way worth it. -- Dave Gentzel gentzel@pobox.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 16 20:14:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03020 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 20:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA12906 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 16 Oct 1996 20:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!news From: ekololli@xmission.com (Abraham Kololli) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and Novell's VLM Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 23:43:11 GMT Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 17 Message-ID: <543rji$ger@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: slc206.modem.xmission.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Is there any plans to have Kermit run with VLMs in Netware environment? We are trying to migrate to Kermit, but because Netware 4.x is part of our network, we have to address this issue. Is Kermit ever going to run with VLMs? Thank you for your response. Please direct your reply to : ekololli@utah.uswest.net Abraham Kololli Utah Transit Authority Telecom/Network Analyst From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 17 00:18:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA26486 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA18482 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!news-in2.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet From: kviper@gte.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS Kermit Terminal Emulation help? Date: 17 Oct 1996 04:11:44 GMT Organization: GTE Intelligent Network Services, GTE INS Lines: 7 Message-ID: <544bm0$kjb@news1.gte.net> Reply-To: kviper@gte.net NNTP-Posting-Host: clw233096.gte.net Keywords: emulation X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 2.0 Where can I find a good source of different terminal emulation types? I come across several different terminal emulations that I must emulate from time to time. thanks, Jeff please reply to: hoot@d-s-s.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 17 12:33:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15076 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA27062 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.stealth.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!cyberspam!usenet Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: frontier@fii.com Date: 17 Oct 1996 09:53:38 EDT Control: cancel <543p85$cok@news05.deltanet.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <543p85$cok@news05.deltanet.com> no reply ignore Message-ID: X-Cancelled-By: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu X-No-Archive: Yes Lines: 3 Spam/MMF cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was 2Mx32 60ns $34.00 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 17 12:39:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA15915 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA27155 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!dsinc!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Novell's VLM Date: 17 Oct 1996 15:00:34 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 12 Message-ID: <545hmi$3pe@samba.rahul.net> References: <543rji$ger@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Abraham Kololli (ekololli@xmission.com) wrote: : Is there any plans to have Kermit run with VLMs in Netware : environment? We are trying to migrate to Kermit, but because Netware : 4.x is part of our network, we have to address this issue. I have MSKermit 3.14 running on a VLM/IPX/ODI network, with ODI/TCP talking to some Unix hosts. Which part is it that you are waiting for? -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 18 16:59:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18026 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA04820 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: New version of Kermit-370 Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 18 Oct 1996 20:58:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 67 Message-ID: <548r2h$m3l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu There is a new version of Kermit-370 ready for testing, available in all variants (CMS, TSO, MUSIC, ROSCOE, and CICS). The changes since 4.3.1 are relatively compact and will be found in the Kermit distribution in the ik*ker.nup files. These are the usual supplements to ik*ker.upd for "not yet official" changes. (The .upd files contain all changes from 4.3.0 to 4.3.1.). Installation of the test version requires the complete set of base source files, plus .upd and .nup. The files are available at watsun.cc.columbia.edu via anonymous FTP from the kermit/b directory -- to get the complete distribution, fetch ik0* (eye kay zero) and ik?* (where "?" is "c" for CMS, "t" for TSO, "m" for MUSIC, or "x" for CICS). For ROSCOE, you need both ikt* and ikr*. As always, the instructions for installation are found in ik*ker.ins and ik*ker.bwr. Highlights of the new version: 1. Two obscure bugs in the RESEND facility were cured last year, and the fixes were made available in IKCKER NUP. These are still included and have been propagated to the other variants as well. 2. The new REGET command was implemented (works like GET, but makes the server do a RESEND of the requested file). 3. Kermit now suppresses the "doubled" transmission of a file that can sometimes occur on a flaky connection. 4. Kermit now announces its system type to the other Kermit during the initial negotiations. A soon-to-be-released version of the micro Kermits will add this to the transfer display. 5. Kermit-CMS has also been modified to take advantage of another imminent upgrade to micro Kermits -- it will be possible to issue a SEND or GET to the mainframe Kermit, and the micro will automatically pop from terminal emulation into transfer mode and then revert to emulation as soon as the transfer is done. 6. It is again possible to set the Kermit "working directory" to a PDS under TSO. 7. Last, but not least, Kermit-370 has been updated to handle dates properly after 1999. The situation was different for each variant. Kermit-CMS has been updated to take action on the recently announced changes to CMS for supporting file dates after 1999. There are two parts: Kermit recognizes when a file to be sent needs a leading "20" and sends the correct time tag to the other Kermit (actually, this part was already in place for dates up through 2049), and Kermit also sets the correct time tag for a received file as well. Unfortunately, the 2nd part operates only when Kermit is installed *without* SFS support (because SFS has not been upgraded to handle 4-digit years, as far as I know). I have already verified empirically that year-2000 support in Kermit is compatible with an existing version of CMS here (Rel 7) by creating a file dated 2019/7/19 and sending it with Kermit. Kermit-TSO was changed to support the existing provisions for 2000+ dates in MVS/TSO. (The ROSCOE variant remains basically the same as the TSO variant, with just a few changes.) Kermit-MUSIC already supported year-2000 dates fully. CICS doesn't really have a file system, so dates are normally not used. However, Kermit-CICS maintains its own built-in file directories with provision for time tags fully compatible with 2000+ dates. John Chandler jchbn@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 19 16:26:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17460 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 16:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA01364 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 19 Oct 1996 16:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 and SOCKS Date: 19 Oct 1996 20:26:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <54bdh0$mml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Many Kermit 95 users have been asking for SOCKS firewall support, but we figured it would be better to wait for a product that provides this capability to the Windows 95 or NT system as a whole, rather than to just one application. It looks as though such an application is now available; it is the new 32-bit version of SocksCap, which sits between Windows Sockets (WinSock) and the application (Kermit 95, Netscape, etc). Its authors have tested it successfully with 32-bit Microsoft WinSock on both Windows 95 and NT using many different applications (but not yet Kermit 95). It should work with SOCKS4 and SOCKS5 servers. You can find SocksCap at: http://www.socks.nec.com/sockscap.html or: ftp://ftp.nec.com/pub/socks/sockscap/ Quoting: "The software is freely available via anonymous ftp and the SOCKS Web site and is NOT in the public domain. Use and distribution is restricted and subject to certain agreements. The full copyright and restrictions can be found in the file named "COPYRIGH" in the distribution zip file." Which says, among other things "You may use this software for non-commercial purposes only, such as academic, research and internal business use." If you're a Kermit 95 user who needs to negotiate SOCKS firewalls, please download and try this out. Unzip the ZIP file and read the README file for instructions. Since there is (are?) no SOCKS here, I'm not easily able to test it. Please report back to kermit@columbia.edu. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 20 11:28:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03351 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA19942 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.stealth.net!news.dorsai.org!news.dorsai.org!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: IDEA: Next Gen Kermit (FonLAN) Date: 20 Oct 1996 11:25:05 -0400 Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC 11357-3436-287 USA Lines: 11 Message-ID: <54dg8h$iuc@amanda.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: amanda.dorsai.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I currently use ReachOut to access a Novell Network by telephone and modem. I see there are other products like ReachOut called "PC Anywhere" and MicroSoft's "Remote Access". The problem is you have to have the same software running on both sides - there is no standard. Sounds like a job for the wonderful standard-setting folks at CUCCA! -- Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bioengineer-Financier, NYC Bach-Mozart ReaganQuayleGramm Evrytano-Kastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFinanc&Indus [vjp2@mcimail.com , vjp2@CIS.CompuServe.Com, vjp2@dorsai.org {cf finger-plan}] ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 20 12:12:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11199 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 12:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA21108 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 12:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IDEA: Next Gen Kermit (FonLAN) Date: 20 Oct 1996 16:12:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <54dj1a$gg4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <54dg8h$iuc@amanda.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <54dg8h$iuc@amanda.dorsai.org>, Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA wrote: : I currently use ReachOut to access a Novell Network by telephone : and modem. I see there are other products like ReachOut called : "PC Anywhere" and MicroSoft's "Remote Access". The problem is you have to : have the same software running on both sides - there is no standard. : Sounds like a job for the wonderful standard-setting folks at CUCCA! : The people who have cornered the market in "remote access" software are welcome to it. It is hideously complex and fragile. In most cases, it requires that the two communicants be using the same remote access software, ON THE SAME PLATFORM. The communication methods are necessarily OS and hardware-specific (and by "hardware", I mean not just CPU, etc, but also keyboard, video adapter, memory management, you name it). As hardware changes on a daily basis in the PC marketplace, you'd need an army of programmers and tech support personnel to keep up. Our business is open communication among all platforms. That is also the business (by the way) of TCP/IP. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 21 12:58:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16922 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA21903 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Novell's VLM Message-ID: <1996Oct21.100019.87578@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Oct 96 10:00:19 MDT References: <543rji$ger@news.xmission.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 In article <543rji$ger@news.xmission.com>, ekololli@xmission.com (Abraham Kololli) writes: > Is there any plans to have Kermit run with VLMs in Netware > environment? We are trying to migrate to Kermit, but because Netware > 4.x is part of our network, we have to address this issue. > > Is Kermit ever going to run with VLMs? > Thank you for your response. > Please direct your reply to : > ekololli@utah.uswest.net > Abraham Kololli > Utah Transit Authority > Telecom/Network Analyst ------------ Perhaps a rereading of the distribution documentation with MS-DOS Kermit will clarify the matter, presuming that you are referring to MS-DOS Kermit rather than the commercial Kermit95. Let me summarize: VLMs are Novell NetWare components only, which run over IPXODI which in turn uses ODI as a packet handler. MS-DOS Kermit has its own internal TCP/IP stack which can run over ODI as a packet handler, in parallel with IPXODI. There is no connection whatsoever between VLMs and Kermit, nor need there be any. Kermit does not use IPXODI either; it runs along side it. You may run VLMs with NDS.VLM, and/or BIND.VLM, as you choose. Kermit neither knows nor cares. MS-DOS Kermit runs just fine this way with NW 3.12 through NetWare 4.11 as the file servers, because I do just that. Please review the distribution documentation, particularly the section dealing with NET.CFG. Now, if you are referring to Kermit95 then you need a compliant Windows TCP/IP protocol stack and winsock interface. Please see the Kermit95 specifications on kermit.columbia.edu for more details. Keep in mind that LSL.COM is a 16-bit real mode affair, and it is used because VLMs require IPXODI.COM which in turn requires LSL.COM and associated lan driver; note all those .COM extensions. Joe D. (Utah State Univ, 801-797-2982, 80 miles north of you) From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 21 13:33:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25362 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA22909 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news1.best.com!nntp1.best.com!usenet From: "Ching Lai" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP - what device should be used in SET LINE? Date: 21 Oct 1996 17:25:47 GMT Organization: Electronic Tools Company Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bbbf74$bafd61e0$e384b8ce@chingmin.vip.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chingmin.vip.best.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 I am trying to use kermit on solaris 2.5 in Ultra1 to dial out. I hook up the modem (Telebit World Blazer) to serial port A and configure the modem as dial-in and dial-out. I can use tip to dial out and I also can dial in from one of my PC to the Ultra station. I just can not get the kermit work. Here is the screen dump of Kermit session. C-Kermit>SET MODEM telebit C-Kermit>SET LINE /dev/tty C-Kermit>dial 14156914500 Sorry, you must SET LINE or SET HOST first C-Kermit> Can some one tell me what device I should use for SET LINE? Thanks in advance. Ching From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 21 13:45:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27811 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA23208 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP - what device should be used in SET LINE? Date: 21 Oct 1996 17:44:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <54gcq7$oos@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bbbf74$bafd61e0$e384b8ce@chingmin.vip.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bbbf74$bafd61e0$e384b8ce@chingmin.vip.best.com>, Ching Lai wrote: : I am trying to use kermit on solaris 2.5 in Ultra1 to : dial out. I hook up the modem (Telebit World Blazer) to : serial port A and configure the modem as dial-in and dial-out. : : I can use tip to dial out and I also can dial in from one of : my PC to the Ultra station. : : I just can not get the kermit work. Here is the screen : dump of Kermit session. : : C-Kermit>SET MODEM telebit : C-Kermit>SET LINE /dev/tty : C-Kermit>dial 14156914500 : Sorry, you must SET LINE or SET HOST first : C-Kermit> : : Can some one tell me what device I should use for SET LINE? : You have to use the proper device name for serial port A. It might be /dev/cua, /dev/cua0, or dev/cua/a. (Try the last one first.) For other hints, look in your Solaris manuals, man pages, or in the /dev directory. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 21 22:49:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00953 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA08585 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!nntp.newsfirst.com!nntp.crosslink.net!not-for-mail From: fh@crosslink.net () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dialing via command line Date: 22 Oct 1996 02:48:59 GMT Organization: CrossLink Internet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <54hcmr$4ld$1@kronos.crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.198.168.34 NNTP-Posting-User: fh X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Hi... I'd like to use kermit to dial a pager from a command line... I'm using it with procmail so when I get certain email, I'd like to dial a pager, wait for the beeps and then dial pre-arranged codes. Is there an RTFM/FAQ on this? Perhaps kermit might not be the best thing to use.. can you advise us? TIA From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 22 09:15:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02558 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA14105 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dialing via command line Date: 22 Oct 1996 13:15:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <54ihcv$ml1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <54hcmr$4ld$1@kronos.crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <54hcmr$4ld$1@kronos.crosslink.net>, wrote: : Hi... I'd like to use kermit to dial a pager from a command line... : Which version of Kermit on what operating system? Numeric or Alpha pager? etc etc... : I'm using it with procmail so when I get certain email, I'd like to dial a : pager, wait for the beeps and then dial pre-arranged codes. Is there an : RTFM/FAQ on this? : Yes: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt : Perhaps kermit might not be the best thing to use.. can : you advise us? TIA : Kermit 95, C-Kermit, and MS-DOS Kermit all have script programming languages that make it easy to dial pagers. Alpha pagers are a bit harder than numeric pagers or simple beepers, but the forthcoming releases: MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 C-Kermit 6.0 Kermit 95 1.1.8 will have new features for dialing Alpha pagers too. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 22 11:20:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06463 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA17634 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dbtech.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.sunbelt.net!usenet From: "Aiken Technical College" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 Hang - CR not recognized in DEC-TDMS screen Date: 22 Oct 1996 15:09:41 GMT Organization: Info Avenue INTERNET Access Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bbc033$a71ecfa0$079204c7@mis02.aik.tec.sc.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: mis02.aik.tec.sc.us X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Strange problem with old S/W written in DEC-TDMS on VAX using VT-320 terminal emulation. The first screen requires a Carriage Return. Well, it just hangs and does nothing. BUT, if you do Alt-X then C to reconnect, then everything works fine until you exit the VAX program. When you restart that one program, it hangs again, but the same "fix" works. Just this one VAX program has the problem. I have tried changing many things, but nothing seems to help. (By the way, QVT works just fine with this VAX program.) Anybody have any ideas? Ray T. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 22 11:29:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07872 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA17843 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 Hang - CR not recognized in DEC-TDMS screen Date: 22 Oct 1996 15:28:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <54ip7d$rjg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bbc033$a71ecfa0$079204c7@mis02.aik.tec.sc.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bbc033$a71ecfa0$079204c7@mis02.aik.tec.sc.us>, Aiken Technical College wrote: : Strange problem with old S/W written in DEC-TDMS on VAX using : VT-320 terminal emulation. The first screen requires a Carriage : Return. Well, it just hangs and does nothing. BUT, if you do Alt-X : then C to reconnect, then everything works fine until you exit the : VAX program. When you restart that one program, it hangs again, : but the same "fix" works. Just this one VAX program has the : problem. I have tried changing many things, but nothing seems : to help. (By the way, QVT works just fine with this VAX program.) : One quick suggestion -- if you did not tell K95 to "set terminal byte 8", please do that and see if it makes the problem go away. If not... Please send us a session log so we can figure out what's happening. Tell K95 to "log session", then CONNECT to the VAX and start your "killer app", escape back with Alt-X, CONNECT again (to unstick it), do a couple things, exit from the application, escape back to K95 again, tell it to "close session", and then email the SESSION.LOG file to kermit@columbia.edu, uuencoded to Also please specify which version of Kermit 95 you are using and any other relevant details -- type of connection, "show terminal" settings, and so on. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 23 07:06:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20134 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA08048 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.consultix.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!freenet.buffalo.edu!am302 From: "L. Chen" Subject: Motorola's Montana 28.8 fax/modem card Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet.buffalo.edu Organization: Buffalo Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 02:42:35 GMT Lines: 11 I use Columbia Kermit 3.14 as a external protocol to ProComm for DOS. Kermit does not have a script for the above modem; so I use the script for the Zoom 14.4 modem -- (In the .ini file, I have "set modem zoom"). Is that the reason why I am only get a file transfer speed of 1,200 to 2,000 bytes/sec -- out of a possible of 3,600 bytes for a 28.8 modem ???? How can I increase the transfer speed? 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Makela) Followup-to: junk References: <54kqbm$prj@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 03:54:35 X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 1 Spam-cancel: "Lottery Information" From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 23 15:45:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04990 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA23518 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.shentel.net!usenet From: Brian Showalter Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: UUCP lock files in Linux Kermit Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:37:04 -0400 Organization: Virginia Mennonite Retirement Community Lines: 3 Message-ID: <326E73E0.5B6ACDF4@vmrc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: bshowalte.shentel.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) How do I tell Kermit where to find UUCP lock files? It keeps looking in /var/spool/uucp, and my Red Hat Linux keeps the lock files in /var/lock. I've looked through all the help screens and man pages for a parameter to set, but can't find anything. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 23 16:10:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09915 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24318 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: UUCP lock files in Linux Kermit Date: 23 Oct 1996 20:09:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <54lu2j$emm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <326E73E0.5B6ACDF4@vmrc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <326E73E0.5B6ACDF4@vmrc.org>, Brian Showalter wrote: : How do I tell Kermit where to find UUCP lock files? It keeps looking in : /var/spool/uucp, and my Red Hat Linux keeps the lock files in /var/lock. : I've looked through all the help screens and man pages for a parameter to : set, but can't find anything. : /var/lock is where they are supposed to go according to the Linux File System Standard, but that didn't come until after early Linux releases had already started using /var/spool/uucp. C-Kermit 5A(190) uses the latter by default. To make it use the former, do this: make clean make linux KFLAGS=-DLINUXFSSTND C-Kermit 6.0 (now in Beta) uses the newer convention by default. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 24 19:56:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24556 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA02441 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: ckermit sending garbage characters on startup Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 23:34:03 GMT Lines: 37 Sender: gerlach@netcom23.netcom.com Hi, I am a heavy user of ckermit running on a Sparc 5 with SunOS 4.1.4. I use ckermit with direct serial connections to embedded systems I am programming. The problem I have appears when using both C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) and C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta.029, 21 Aug 96, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Here's the scenario: I fire up ckermit with the -y parameter pointing to a file will the following commands: set line /dev/ttyA3 set speed 38400 set terminal bytesize 8 set command bytesize 8 log session ttyA3 connnect I then exit ckermit by hitting ^\ following by a 'c' and a "quit". If I do this a couple of times, one of the invocations of ckermit will start out by sending out a bunch of garbage characters that include some breaks. I have verified this with a protocol analyzer. So my question is, "is there something I should do when exiting ckermit or starting ckermit up that will prevent these garbage characters from being sent?". Thanks for any pointers, Matthew H. Gerlach P.S. This is particularly important to me, because my embedded systems change their baud rate when they see break characters. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 24 20:33:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01795 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 20:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA03547 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 20:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ckermit sending garbage characters on startup Date: 25 Oct 1996 00:33:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <54p1s3$6jj@dobryden.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Matthew H. Gerlach wrote: : I am a heavy user of ckermit running on a Sparc 5 with SunOS 4.1.4. I : use ckermit with direct serial connections to embedded systems I am : programming. The problem I have appears when using both : C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) : and : C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta.029, 21 Aug 96, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) : : Here's the scenario: : I fire up ckermit with the -y parameter pointing to a file will the following : commands: : set line /dev/ttyA3 : set speed 38400 : set terminal bytesize 8 : set command bytesize 8 : log session ttyA3 : connnect : : I then exit ckermit by hitting ^\ following by a 'c' and a "quit". : : If I do this a couple of times, one of the invocations of ckermit will : start out by sending out a bunch of garbage characters that include : some breaks. I have verified this with a protocol analyzer. : : So my question is, "is there something I should do when exiting ckermit : or starting ckermit up that will prevent these garbage characters from : being sent?". : There is nothing in C-Kermit to send any characters during CONNECT mode that you did not type. Maybe there is a bug, but I doubt it because nobody has had a complaint like this before. It sounds to me like there is some contention for the Sun's serial device and another process is transmitting on it, most likely at a different speed, which accounts for the garbage and BREAKs. Maybe getty is the culprit? Please check to make sure you do not have a getty (login) configured for that device. If that is not the problem, we can follow up in more detail privately. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 24 21:41:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10484 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 21:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA05529 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 21:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.stealth.net!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net!FAM486 From: rooconn@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit telnet shows display on OS/2 host instead on LAN client Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 21:39:40 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <54p5gg$1t04$1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip129-37-240-80.nc.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM-WebExplorer-DLL Specfically: when I have telnetd running on a Warp Connect (no fixpacks) pc, and telnet to it over a LAN from CKermit 191 for OS/2 or MSDOS Kermit 3.14 (after loading a packet driver), I get the session displayed on the host instead of the client -- useless! If I use telnetpm from Warp or Win95's telnet, then it works as expected in showing the session in a window on the invoking machine. TIA for any suggestions, Rory O'Connor rooconn@ibm.net rory_o'connor@us.wfl.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 25 00:05:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA27326 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 00:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA10045 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 00:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit telnet shows display on OS/2 host instead on LAN client Date: 25 Oct 1996 04:05:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <54pe9l$b5o@dobryden.cc.columbia.edu> References: <54p5gg$1t04$1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <54p5gg$1t04$1@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, wrote: : Specfically: when I have telnetd running on a Warp Connect (no fixpacks) : pc, and telnet to : it over a LAN from CKermit 191 for OS/2 or MSDOS Kermit 3.14 (after : loading a packet driver), : I get the session displayed on the host instead of the client -- useless! : If I use telnetpm : from Warp or Win95's telnet, then it works as expected in showing the : session in a window on : the invoking machine. C-Kermit for OS/2 supports VT220 as its default emulation. MS-DOS Kermit and Kermit-95 support VT320 as their default emulations. TelnetPM and Win95 support VT100. OS/2 Telnetd only supports VT100 and ANSI terminal emulations. SET TERMINAL TYPE ANSI in C-Kermit for OS/2 or MS-DOS Kermit and you will see your problems go away. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 25 02:59:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA21880 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 02:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA14453 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 02:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntp.inet.fi!news.ktt.fi!newsmaster From: Kari Heikkila Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Any Kermit source code avalable for VB? Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:28:18 +0200 Organization: Nordberg-Lokomo Lines: 7 Message-ID: <32706C12.F5A@Nordberg.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: norkahe.fi.nordberg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Hi there, Is there any Kermit protocol source code available for Visual Basic. Thanks in advance Kari From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 25 11:43:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21091 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18289 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 11:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any Kermit source code avalable for VB? Date: 25 Oct 1996 15:09:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 7 Message-ID: <54ql7v$2no@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32706C12.F5A@nordberg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32706C12.F5A@nordberg.com>, Kari Heikkila wrote: : Is there any Kermit protocol source code available for Visual Basic. : No. If you want to execute Kermit protocol from within your VB program, simply run the appropriate Kermit program with command-line arguments or a script file. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 25 17:35:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15720 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA01391 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!news.azstarnet.com!news From: "Erik Hatcher" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any Kermit source code avalable for VB? Date: 25 Oct 1996 20:03:15 GMT Organization: Starnet Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bbc2af$b3fa20c0$320cc5a9@clapton.pvs.com> References: <32706C12.F5A@nordberg.com> <54ql7v$2no@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr11ip50.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Frank, Any chance the full GUI version of Kermit for '95 will be made into an OLE server? Or an OLE control (ActiveX) so that it can be dropped into other programs? A Kermit OLE server or Kermit OLE/ActiveX control would allow you to compete with these folks making plug-in controls for transferring files over the Internet, etc. Erik Frank da Cruz wrote in article <54ql7v$2no@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... > In article <32706C12.F5A@nordberg.com>, > Kari Heikkila wrote: > : Is there any Kermit protocol source code available for Visual Basic. > : > No. If you want to execute Kermit protocol from within your VB program, > simply run the appropriate Kermit program with command-line arguments or > a script file. > From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 25 18:51:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28040 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 18:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03755 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 18:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!news From: amadeus@cs.iastate.edu (Jeremy Bilas) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP! Stack overflow error in Kermit 3.14 Date: 25 Oct 1996 22:31:00 GMT Organization: Iowa State University Biochemistry and Biophysics Dept Lines: 32 Message-ID: <54rf34$313@news.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: microhelp.zool.iastate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 I just installed version 3.14 of Kermit and have been getting stack overflow errors, even when running from an empty system (DOS 6.2). Kermit is able to log in and run correctly until it hits the stack overflow (which seems to be random, sometimes I'm able to get as far as the file transfer, sometimes I can't even get past the prompt). I've tried messing with the stack default settings (setting the stacks to their largest, smallest, and default values), but nothing seems to help. Is this a problem that could be solved by getting a later version of Kermit or does it just seem like a hardware/configuration conflict? I think the video board has shadow ram that requires some exclusions on the system memory through the memory manager (but I am not sure of the specifics as I couldn't find any documentation). I haven't had much experience with modems so I would appreciate any help or pointers you could give me. thanks! System specifications: As it is not my computer, I am not sure of the exact details, but I can give a general discription. Intel Pentium 133 MHz (Triton II chipset I think) 256K cache 50 MB DRAM Cirrus Logic PCI video board (543x I think) I/O board is probably embedded (not sure) 33.6 modem (not sure of the brand name, I've been using Hayes as the modem setting in Kermit) printer on LPT1 Award BIOS (4.50g I think) running DOS 6.2 and windows 3.11 From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 26 03:06:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA10522 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 03:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA01940 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 03:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!news From: amadeus@cs.iastate.edu (Jeremy Bilas) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP! Stack overflow error in Kermit 3.14 Date: 25 Oct 1996 22:31:00 GMT Organization: Iowa State University Biochemistry and Biophysics Dept Lines: 32 Message-ID: <54rf34$313@news.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: microhelp.zool.iastate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 I just installed version 3.14 of Kermit and have been getting stack overflow errors, even when running from an empty system (DOS 6.2). Kermit is able to log in and run correctly until it hits the stack overflow (which seems to be random, sometimes I'm able to get as far as the file transfer, sometimes I can't even get past the prompt). I've tried messing with the stack default settings (setting the stacks to their largest, smallest, and default values), but nothing seems to help. Is this a problem that could be solved by getting a later version of Kermit or does it just seem like a hardware/configuration conflict? I think the video board has shadow ram that requires some exclusions on the system memory through the memory manager (but I am not sure of the specifics as I couldn't find any documentation). I haven't had much experience with modems so I would appreciate any help or pointers you could give me. thanks! System specifications: As it is not my computer, I am not sure of the exact details, but I can give a general discription. Intel Pentium 133 MHz (Triton II chipset I think) 256K cache 50 MB DRAM Cirrus Logic PCI video board (543x I think) I/O board is probably embedded (not sure) 33.6 modem (not sure of the brand name, I've been using Hayes as the modem setting in Kermit) printer on LPT1 Award BIOS (4.50g I think) running DOS 6.2 and windows 3.11 From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 26 13:43:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16700 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 13:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA05917 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 13:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.mid.net!wormer.fn.net!news@feist.com From: lebbin@feist.com (Mark & Christy Lebbin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.smb,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.time.ntp,comp.publish.cdrom.hardware,comp.publish.cdrom.multimedia,comp.publish.cdrom.software,comp.publish.electronic.developer,comp.publish.electronic.end-user,comp.publish.electronic.misc Subject: MAKE $ INTO $$$ IN 6-8 WEEKS!!!!!! Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 16:41:06 GMT Organization: Feist Connections Lines: 285 Message-ID: <32723ef9.13635992@news.feist.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fsa141.fn.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6059 comp.protocols.misc:6035 comp.protocols.nfs:16106 comp.protocols.pcnet:267 comp.protocols.ppp:17685 comp.protocols.smb:9307 comp.protocols.snmp:6857 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:45532 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains:13981 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:41538 comp.protocols.time.ntp:7759 comp.publish.cdrom.hardware:20335 comp.publish.cdrom.multimedia:8874 comp.publish.cdrom.software:11282 comp.publish.electronic.developer:1061 comp.publish.electronic.end-user:561 comp.publish.electronic.misc:1456 >From lebbin@feist.com Sat Oct 26 09:55:42 1996 *** The opportunity of YOUR life!! *** "Taking 5 minutes to read this article, someone had kindly posted on an Internet Newsgroup, describing how to send A ONE DOLLAR U.S. BILL TO ONLY FIVE PEOPLE AND MAKE $50,000 IN CASH WITHIN ABOUT 4 WEEKS, can change your life!!" ***PLEASE SAVE THIS FILE!*** Hello! I've got some awesome news that I think you need to take two minutes to read if you have ever thought "How could I make some serious cash in a hurry???" , or been in serious debt, ready to do almost anything to get the money needed to pay off those bill collectors. So grab a snack, a warm cup of coffee, or a glass of your favorite beverage, get comfortable and listen to this interesting, exciting find! Let me start by saying that I FINALLY FOUND IT! That's right!. found it! And I HATE GET RICH QUICK SCHEMES!! I hate those schemes like multi-level marketing, mail-order schemes, envelope stuffing scams, 900 number scams... the list goes on forever. I have tried every darn get rich quick scheme out there over the past 12 years. I somehow got on mailing lists for people looking to make money (more like 'desperate stupid people who will try anything for money!'). Well, when I was a teenager, these claims to 'get me rich quick' sounded irresistible! I would shell out $14.95 here, $29.95 there, $24.95 here, and another $49.95 there. I had maxed out my new Circuit City Card AND my Visa...I was desperate for money!! So, I gave them all a chance but failed at every one of them! Maybe they worked for some people, but not for me. Eventually, I just tossed that JUNK MAIL in the trash when I got the mail. I recognized it right away. I can>smell a money scam from a mile away these days, SO I THOUGHT.... I thought I could sniff out a scam easily. WAS I WRONG!! ....I LOVE THE INTERNET!!! I was scanning thru a NEWSGROUP and saw an article stating to GET CASH FAST!! I thought..."Here on the Internet?? Well, I'll just have to see what schemes could possibly be on the internet." The article described a way to MAIL A ONE DOLLAR BILL TO ONLY FIVE PEOPLE AND MAKE $50, 000 IN CASH WITHIN 4 WEEKS! Well, the more I thought about it, the more I became very curious. Why? Because of the way it worked AND BECAUSE IT WOULD ONLY COST ME FIVE DOLLARS (AND FIVE STAMPS), THAT'S ALL I EVER PAY....EVER!! Ok, so the $50,000 in cash was maybe an tough amount to reach, but it was possible. I knew that I could at least get a return of $1,000 or so. So I did it!! As per the instructions in the article, I mailed out ('snail mail'for you e-mail fanatics) a single dollar bill to each of the five people on the list that was contained in the article. I included a small note, with the dollar, that stated "Please Add Me To Your List." I then removed the first position name of the five names listed and moved everyone up one position, and I put my name in position five of the list. This is how the money starts rolling in! I then took this revised article now with my name on the list and REPOSTED IT ON AS MANY NEWSGROUPS AND LOCAL BULLETIN BOARD MESSAGE AREAS THAT I KNEW. I then waited to watch the money come in...prepared to maybe receive about $1000 to $1500 in cash or so.... But what a welcome surprise when those envelopes kept coming in!!! I knew what they were as soon as I saw the return addresses from people all over the world-Most from the U.S., but some from Canada, even some from Australia! I tell you, THAT WAS EXCITING!! So how much did I get in total return? $1000? $5000? Not even!!! I received a total of $23,343!!! I couldn't believe it!! I now have a brand new black Acura Integra to speak for, due to this!! Now after almost 8 months, I am ready to do it again!!! So maybe it was possible to get $50,000 in cash, I don't know, but IT COMPLETELY DEPENDS ON YOU, THE INDIVIDUAL! You must follow through and repost this article everywhere you can think of! The more postings you achieve will determine how much cash will arrive in your very own mailbox!! It's just too easy to pass up!!! Let's review the reasons why you should do this: The only cost factors are for the five stamps, the 5 envelopes and the 5 one dollar bills that you send out to the listed names by snail mail (US Postal Service Mail). Then just simply repost the article (WITH YOUR NAME ADDED) to all the newsgroups and local BBS's you can. Then sit back and, (ironically), enjoy walking (you can run if you like! :o ) down your driveway to your mailbox and scoop up your rewards!! We all have five dollars to put into such an easy effortless investment with SPECTACULAR REALISTIC RETURNS OF $15,000 to $25,000 in about 3-5 weeks! So HOLD OFF ON THOSE LOTTERY NUMBERS FOR TODAY,EAT AT HOME TONIGHT INSTEAD OF TAKEOUT FROM McDONALDS AND INVEST FIVE DOLLARS IN THIS AMAZING MONEY MAKING SYSTEM NOW!!! YOU CAN'T LOSE!! So how do you do it exactly, you ask? I have carefully provided the most detailed, yet straightforward instructions on how to easily get this underway and get your cash on its way. SO, ARE YOU READY TO MAKE SOME CASH!!!?? HERE WE GO!!! NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS! Of every 200 postings I made, I received an average of 5 replies, YES ONLY 5, each with a $1 bill enclosed. You make $5 for every 200 postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 5. Each person who sent you $1, now also makes let's say,only 200 additional postings WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 4, i.e. 1000 postings. On average therefore, 50 people will send you $1 with your name at number 4. You make $50. Your 50 new agents make 200 posting each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 3 or 10 000 postings - average return 500 at $1 each is $500. They make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 2 = 100 000 postings = 5 000 returns at $1 each = $5 000. Finally, 5 000 people make 200 postings each WITH YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 1 and you get a return of $50 000 before you name drops off the list. AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE DOWN THE LINE ONLY MAKES 200 POSTINGS! Total income in one cycle = $55 500. From time to time, when your name is no longer on the list, you take the latest posting that is appearing in the newsgroups, SEND OUT ANOTHER $5 TO THE NAMES THAT ARE ON THE LIST, PUT YOUR NAME IN AT NUMBER 5 AND START POSTING AGAIN. Remember, 200 postings is only a guideline. The more you post, the greater the return. *** THE LIST OF NAMES IS AT THE END OF THIS ARTICLE. *** OK, Read this carefully. Get a printout of this information, if you like, so you can easily refer to it as often as needed. INSTRUCTIONS: 1. Take 5 separate pieces of paper and write on it your name and adress with the following: "PLEASE ADD MY NAME TO YOUR LIST". THIS CREATES A SERVICE OUT OF THIS MONEY MAKING SYSTEM AND THUS MAKING IT COMPLETELY LEGAL. You are not just randomly sending a dollar to someone, you are PAYING ONE DOLLAR FOR A LEGITIMATE SERVICE. Make sure you include your name and address. I assure you that, again, this is completely legal! For a neat little twist, also write what slot their name was in: "You were in slot 3", Just to add a little fun! This is all about having fun and making money at the same time! 2. Now fold this sheet of paper around a U.S. dollar bill: go to your bank if you don't live in the U.S.(no checks,coins or money orders), and put them into an envelope and send it on its way to the five people listed. The folding of the paper around the bill will insure its arrival to its recipient. THIS STEP IS IMPORTANT!! 3. Now listen carefully, here's where you get YOUR MONEY COMING TO YOUR MAILBOX. Look at the list of five people; remove the first name from position one and move everyone on the list up slot one on the list. Position 2 name will now move to the position 1 slot , position 3 will now become position 2, 4 will be be 3, 5 wil be 4. Now put your name, address, zipcode AND COUNTRY in position 5, the bottom position on the list. 4. Now upload this updated file to as many newsgroups and local bulletin boards' message areas & file section as possible. Give a catchy description of the file so it gets noticed!! Such as: "NEED FAST CASH?, HERE IT IS!" or "NEED CASH TO PAY OFF YOUR DEBTS??", etc. And the more uploads, the more money you will make, and of course, the more money the others on the list will make too. LET'S ALL TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER BY BEING HONEST AND BY PUTTING FORTH 120 PERCENT INTO THIS PROFITABLE & AMAZING SYSTEM!!! You'll reap the benefits, believe me!!! Set a goal for the number of total uploads you'll post, such as 100 postings or more! Always have a goal in mind!!! If you can UUE encode the file when uploading, that will make it easier for the people to receive it and have it downloaded to their hard drive. That way they get a copy of the article right on their computer without hassles of viewing and then saving the article from the File menu. Don't alter the file type, leave it as an MS-DOS Text file. The best test is to be able to view this file using Microsoft's Notepad for Windows 3.x or WordPad for Windows '95. If the margins look right without making the screen slide left or right when at the ends of the sentences, you're in business! 5. If you need help uploading, simply ask the sysop of the BBS, or "POST" a message on a newsgroup asking how to post a file, tell them who your Internet provider is and PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE GLAD TO HELP. I would try to describe how to do it but there are simply too many internet software packages with slightly different yet relatively simple ways to post or upload a file. Just ask for help or look in the help section for 'posting'. I do know that for GNN, you simply select 'POST' then enter a catchy description under the subject box, choose 'ATTACH', selecting 'UUE' and NOT 'TXT', then choose 'Browse' to go look for the file. Find your text file CASH.TXT and click on it and choose 'OK'. Place a one line statement in the main body section of the message post screen. Something like "Download this to read how to get cash arriving in your mailbox with no paybacks!" or whatever. Just make sure it represents its true feasibility, NOT something like..."Get one million dollars flooding in your mailbox in two days!" You'll never get ANY responses! 6. And this is the step I like. JUST SIT BACK AND ENJOY LIFE BECAUSE CASH IS ON ITS THE WAY!! Expect to see a little money start to trickle in around 2 weeks, but AT ABOUT WEEKS 3 & 4, THE MONEY STORM WILL HIT YOUR MAILBOX!! All you have to do is take it out of the mailbox and try not to scream too loud (outside anyway) when you realize YOU HIT THE BIG TIME AT LAST!! 7. So go PAY OFF YOUR BILLS AND DEBTS and then get that something special you always wanted or buy that special person in your life (or the one you want in your life) a gift they'll never forget. ENJOY LIFE! 8. Now when you get low on this money supply, simply re-activate this file again; Reposting it in the old places where you originally posted and possibly some new places you now know of. Don't ever lose this file, always keep a copy at your reach for when you ever need cash. THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE TOOL THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS RE-USE TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHEN CASH IS NEEDED! ******************************************************************* ******************************************************************* THE NAMES LIST THE NAMES LIST THE NAME LIST ******************************************************************* * HONESTY IS WHAT MAKES THIS PROGRAM SUCCESSFUL!!! *1. Dany Asselin * 375 Delisle * Chicoutimi, Quebec * G7G 3B4 * CANADA * *2. Dave LeClair * P0 Box # 1755 * Belle River, Ontario * CANADA * N0R 1A0 * *3. Roland Hins * 455 Tenier * Beauport, Quebec * CANADA * G1C 4X8 * *4. Mark Taylor * 33 De Normandie * Gatineau, Quebec * CANADA * J8T 1V6 * *5. Mark Lebbin P.O. Box 21463 Wichita, Kansas 67208-7463 **************************************************************** YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE!!!!! TRY IT!!!!! NOTE: Try to keep a list of everyone that sends you a dollar and always keep an eye on the local postings of this file... Just to make sure that everyone is playing the game fairly. You know where your name should be..... Some people have said to me "What happens if the scheme is 'played out' and no one sends me any money"? Big deal! So you lose $5 - but what are the chances of that happening? Do you realise how many Internet Users there are? Do you realise how many times this scheme can be utilised over and over again - with COMPLETELY NEW people participating? There are not HUNDREDS, NOT EVEN THOUSANDS, BUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF NEW INTERNET USERS EVERY MONTH! Remember, read the instructions carefully and play FAIRLY...that's the only way this will work. Get a printout so you can refer back to this article easily. *** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages with your name in the list and not sending the money to the people already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10000! All the lists are re-distributed as soon as the money is received. end of article From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 26 15:45:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06609 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 15:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08670 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 15:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!iag.net!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!news.azstarnet.com!news From: "Erik Hatcher" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any Kermit source code avalable for VB? Date: 25 Oct 1996 20:03:15 GMT Organization: Starnet Lines: 22 Message-ID: <01bbc2af$b3fa20c0$320cc5a9@clapton.pvs.com> References: <32706C12.F5A@nordberg.com> <54ql7v$2no@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr11ip50.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Frank, Any chance the full GUI version of Kermit for '95 will be made into an OLE server? Or an OLE control (ActiveX) so that it can be dropped into other programs? A Kermit OLE server or Kermit OLE/ActiveX control would allow you to compete with these folks making plug-in controls for transferring files over the Internet, etc. Erik Frank da Cruz wrote in article <54ql7v$2no@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... > In article <32706C12.F5A@nordberg.com>, > Kari Heikkila wrote: > : Is there any Kermit protocol source code available for Visual Basic. > : > No. If you want to execute Kermit protocol from within your VB program, > simply run the appropriate Kermit program with command-line arguments or > a script file. > From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 26 16:01:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08641 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 16:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA09071 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 16:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!cyberspam!usenet Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.smb,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.time.ntp,comp.publish.cdrom.hardware,comp.publish.cdrom.multimedia,comp.publish.cdrom.software,comp.publish.electronic.developer,comp.publish.electronic.end-user,comp.publish.electronic.misc From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: lebbin@feist.com (Mark & Christy Lebbin) Date: 26 Oct 1996 15:31:00 EDT Control: cancel <32723ef9.13635992@news.feist.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <32723ef9.13635992@news.feist.com> no reply ignore Message-ID: X-Cancelled-By: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu X-No-Archive: Yes Lines: 3 Spam cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was MAKE $ INTO $$$ IN 6-8 WEEKS!!!!!! From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 27 10:02:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20126 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 10:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA24973 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 10:02:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: This newsgroup Date: 27 Oct 1996 15:02:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <54vthj$4e6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu My apologies if responses to queries recently posted to this newsgroup seem not to be forthcoming. As you are all no doubt aware, the netnews system is being increasingly flooded with ads for get-rich-quick schemes and other inappropriate material, and that these postings are being chased by vigilante "cancelbots" originating from who-knows-where and doing who-knows-what. The battle between the spammers and the cancelbots seems to be taking a toll on the netnews system itself, to the extent that clients and servers become confused, legitimate messages are lost or ignored, and an inordinate amount of time must be devoted to cleaning up the mess. For the past several days, I haven't been able to read any newsgroups, even though I know messages are coming in, due to some kind of malfunction related to all this. Hopefully it will be fixed soon. In the meantime, if you have questions or problems to report, you might do better to send them by email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 27 10:52:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27856 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 10:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26110 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 10:52:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP! Stack overflow error in Kermit 3.14 Message-ID: <1996Oct27.082007.87978@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Oct 96 08:20:07 MDT References: <54rf34$313@news.iastate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 In article <54rf34$313@news.iastate.edu>, amadeus@cs.iastate.edu (Jeremy Bilas) writes: > I just installed version 3.14 of Kermit and have been getting stack > overflow errors, even when running from an empty system (DOS 6.2). > Kermit is able to log in and run correctly until it hits the stack > overflow (which seems to be random, sometimes I'm able to get as far as > the file transfer, sometimes I can't even get past the prompt). I've > tried messing with the stack default settings (setting the stacks to > their largest, smallest, and default values), but nothing seems to > help. Is this a problem that could be solved by getting a later version > of Kermit or does it just seem like a hardware/configuration conflict? > I think the video board has shadow ram that requires some exclusions on > the system memory through the memory manager (but I am not sure of the > specifics as I couldn't find any documentation). I haven't had much > experience with modems so I would appreciate any help or pointers you > could give me. thanks! > > System specifications: > > As it is not my computer, I am not sure of the exact details, but I can > give a general discription. > > Intel Pentium 133 MHz (Triton II chipset I think) > 256K cache > 50 MB DRAM > Cirrus Logic PCI video board (543x I think) > I/O board is probably embedded (not sure) > 33.6 modem (not sure of the brand name, I've been using Hayes as the > modem setting in Kermit) > printer on LPT1 > Award BIOS (4.50g I think) > running DOS 6.2 and windows 3.11 ---------- Stack overflow isn't an MS-DOS Kermit error message; it is coming from somewhere else in your system. I suggest stripping down config.sys and autoexec.bat to bare metal, then add back pieces one at a time. TSR's are the likely problem, as can be memory managment. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 27 11:22:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01810 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA26826 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 11:21:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!fu-berlin.de!uniol!uni-erlangen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!news.informatik.uni-muenchen.de!news.muc.de!news.space.net!news.cube.net!backhaus From: backhaus@cube.net (Kai Backhaus) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: socksified os2 telnet client? Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 17:28:05 +0100 Organization: privat Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: backhaus.cubenet.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 Hi everybody, I'm looking for a socksified OS2 telnet client (proxy, firewall!!!). Can anybody tell me the name of this file and where to get it (URL http, ftp!!)?? I really searched the "whole" INET :-( Thanx for helping Kai :-)) From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 27 14:40:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05578 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 14:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA01445 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 14:40:20 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.planetc.com!nntphost.bbsi.net!not-for-mail From: terry@modesty.com Subject: \DVg|KHOT TECHNOLOGIES AND FREE STUFFQPRc,.kQZ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 18:10:44 GMT Lines: 10 The Men's Club - http://www.mens-club.com/ - Hot Technologies - FREE Stuff - Exclusive Products - Health Resources - Image and Graphics Libraries Men and Women 18+ Are Welcome! From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 27 15:13:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10162 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 15:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA02195 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 15:13:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!mcrcim.mcgill.edu!news.mcgill.ca!DMI.USherb.CA!sunqbc.risq.net!news.total.net!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!omni2!cmosley From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another, another suggestion ... Date: 16 Oct 1996 00:04:16 GMT Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 806 Message-ID: <5418q0$pkk@news1.voicenet.com> References: <52ah96$jvo@gnews2.voicenet.com> <53llac$2c2@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <1996Oct14.203232.87218@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: much stuff deleted : ------------- : MS-DOS Kermit does the Sixel stuff. As the name says, it is a DOS : program. Whether one has difficulties doing graphics in an OS/2 DOS box : is not remembered here, but you can give it a try. It will do graphics in : a DOS window of Windows but when reverting to text mode Windows complains : and recommends running it in a full screen DOS box. : The older cryptic graphics feature list is text file msvibm.vt, : found in directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. There is lots of graphics : support in MSK in addition to Sixel. Data General terminal users can obtain : extensive support for DG graphics via terminal kinds D463 (mono) and D470 : (color). There is Tek 4010 extended, plus enough other material to operate : Word Perfect from VMS and Unix machines to a DOS client. : To use Sixel graphics be a VT320 terminal, and control the graphics : screen resolution with SET TERM GRAPHICS . : Please see kermit/msdos, binary file msvibm.zip, for the current : release v3.14. V3.15 is in beta test. : Joe D. At http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskgraphics.html it is written: "The following pictures were captured in a DOS Window of OS/2, then converted to GIF format, and then sized using Xview, and so they are not as detailed or crisp as the originals." _____________________________________________________________________ I apologize in advance for what I am about to do. 1. unzip 2. kermit prompt> set gaphics vga # for proper H x W ratio 3. remote prompt> cat bot begin 600 bot.zip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MLR^M_YKCS_\#_UW^UW_-OK;QS__U_^>__P]02P$"% ,4 " !L14@AY@>S M#62% !7TP P ! @($ 8F]T4$L%!@ ! $ ,0 ' (6% end From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 27 16:58:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28948 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 16:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA04555 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 16:58:36 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mr.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!cyberspam!van-bc From: terry@modesty.com Subject: cancel: \DVg|KHOT TECHNOLOGIES AND FREE STUFFQPRc,.kQZ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 18:10:44 GMT Control: cancel Lines: 1 Spam killing From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 27 17:45:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07310 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 17:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA05716 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 27 Oct 1996 17:45:18 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!mcrcim.mcgill.edu!news.mcgill.ca!DMI.USherb.CA!sunqbc.risq.net!pegasus.odyssee.net!news2.insinc.net!news.iosphere.net!news.supernet.net!news.bconnex.net!op.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Another, another suggestion ... Message-ID: <1996Oct14.204119.87221@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Oct 96 20:41:19 MDT References: <52ah96$jvo@gnews2.voicenet.com> <53llac$2c2@gaia.ns.utk.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 In article <53llac$2c2@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : In article <52c0se$soa@gnews2.voicenet.com>, > : Christopher Mosley wrote: ----------- Oops. File msvibm.vt is the text mode cryptic list. The graphics file is msvibm.tek, and we seem to have let that disappear through a crack over time. If there is sufficient interest it can be resurrected. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 28 09:46:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05586 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 09:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17861 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 09:46:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: socksified os2 telnet client? Date: 28 Oct 1996 14:45:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <552guf$g7s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Kai Backhaus wrote: : Hi everybody, : I'm looking for a socksified OS2 telnet client (proxy, firewall!!!). : Can anybody tell me the name of this file and where to get it (URL http, : ftp!!)?? : I really searched the "whole" INET :-( OS/2 C-Kermit may be found either: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 28 16:26:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26078 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA27610 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 16:26:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Testing - please ignore Date: 28 Oct 1996 21:26:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 5 Message-ID: <5538dp$4c6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is to test if new posts make it here. No need to respond, sorry for the bother. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 28 21:50:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA22428 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 21:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA05320 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 28 Oct 1996 21:50:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!depot.mro.dec.com!mrnews.mro.dec.com!not-for-mail From: James Cameron Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Q: How to avoid losing eighth bit on TELNET {C-Kermit 5A(190)} Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 11:57:10 +1100 Organization: Netrek Vanilla Server Maintainer Lines: 29 Message-ID: <327404E6.59E2@stl.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ogg.stl.dec.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Using C-Kermit to telnet to various hosts. If the host attempts to deliver eight-bit escape sequences to the terminal, C-Kermit appears to trim them to seven-bit. What incantation can I use to stop this? Tried "set term byte 8". Checked http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html Checked help Digital UNIX V3.2d Versions: C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94 Numeric: 501190 UNIX Communications support, 5A(160), 4 Oct 94 for DEC OSF/1 AXP UNIX File support, 5A(098) 4 Oct 94 for DEC OSF/1 AXP C-Kermit Protocol Module 5A(072), 18 Sep 94 C-Kermit functions, 5A(120) 18 Sep 94 Command package 5A(067), 2 Oct 94 User Interface 5A(156), 4 Oct 94 Character Set Translation 5A(022), 24 Jan 94 CONNECT Command for UNIX, 5A(073) 15 Sep 94 Dial Command, 5A(063) 4 Oct 94 Script Command, 5A(023) 4 Oct 94 Network support, 5A(039) 30 Sep 94 -- James Cameron Digital Equipment Corporation (Australia) Pty. Ltd. A.C.N. 000 446 800 (cameron@stl.dec.com) From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 29 10:10:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08334 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 10:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA14188 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 10:10:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!hk.linkage.net!usenet From: samson@k.com.hk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Look for Kermit / Telnet Plug-ins for Navigator Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 14:55:26 GMT Organization: LinkAGE Online Ltd. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3276198e.8189561@news.hk.linkage.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc004.k.com.hk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 I am looking for some sort of Terminal / Kermit / Telnet Plug-ins for Navigator. The purpose is let a user (web-browser) to click a button and pop-up a windows to connect to Unix / Database Server (like SCO unix or even an NT Telnet Server). Does anyone have any idea ???? If so, please drop me a note "samson@k.com.hk". Thanks for the help ! Best Regards, samson@k.com.hk From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 29 10:21:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10267 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 10:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA14421 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 10:20:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Q: How to avoid losing eighth bit on TELNET {C-Kermit 5A(190)} Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 29 Oct 1996 15:20:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5557br$12o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm still not able to read and follow up to news, but by a devious route I can sometimes see new postings, but can only respond to them with other new postings, so apologies for breaking the threads. Hopefully our news server will be sorted out within the week. James Cameron writes: : Using C-Kermit to telnet to various hosts. If the host attempts to : deliver eight-bit escape sequences to the terminal, C-Kermit appears to : trim them to seven-bit. What incantation can I use to stop this? : Tried "set term byte 8". : Add to that "set command byte 8". See page 88 of "Using C-Kermit" for an explanation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 29 11:25:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22662 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 11:25:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16083 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 11:25:51 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: Re: Look for Kermit / Telnet Plug-ins for Navigator Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <3276198e.8189561@news.hk.linkage.net> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:13:00 GMT Lines: 5 Sender: gerlach@netcom23.netcom.com Be warned that I am fairly ignorant of Navigator plug-ins. But it seems to me that one could write a CGI script that will fire up a telnet session using the telnet program or kermit's telnet. Matthew From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 29 11:53:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28894 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 11:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16735 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 11:53:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Look for Kermit / Telnet Plug-ins for Navigator Date: 29 Oct 1996 16:52:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <555cok$450@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3276198e.8189561@news.hk.linkage.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Matthew H. Gerlach wrote: : Be warned that I am fairly ignorant of Navigator plug-ins. But it seems : to me that one could write a CGI script that will fire up a telnet : session using the telnet program or kermit's telnet. CGI scripts run on the server. Not on the client. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 29 11:59:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29772 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 11:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16844 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 11:59:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Look for Kermit / Telnet Plug-ins for Navigator Date: 29 Oct 1996 16:58:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <555d46$4bm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3276198e.8189561@news.hk.linkage.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3276198e.8189561@news.hk.linkage.net>, wrote: : I am looking for some sort of Terminal / Kermit / Telnet : Plug-ins for Navigator. : : The purpose is let a user (web-browser) to click a button and : pop-up a windows to connect to Unix / Database Server (like SCO unix : or even an NT Telnet Server). : : Does anyone have any idea ???? If so, please drop me a note : "samson@k.com.hk". Thanks for the help ! You don't need a plug-in to be able to use Telnet with Navigator. In fact, at the moment there would be no way to create a plug-in for telnet because of the way that Navigator handles telnet URLs. In the general preferences and options Notebook there is a Apps page. In the Telnet space, place your telnet app. For Kermit 95 1.1.7, you can use "c:\k95\k95.exe -J" Now whenever a users clicks on a link which contains a telnet URL such as telnet://kermit.columbia.edu/ Navigator will pass that URL onto the specified telnet app. The big problem with using a Plug-in for this is that Plug-ins handle MIME types or files, and you can't treat an IP service such as telnet as a MIME type or a file. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 30 01:15:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA09734 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 01:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA05672 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 01:15:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news3.idirect.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.dicom,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.iso,comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ,comp.protocols.iso.x400,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.smb,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.time.ntp,comp.publish.cdrom.hardware,comp.publish.cdrom.multimedia,comp.publish.cdrom.software,comp.publish.electronic.developer,comp.publish.electronic.end-user,comp.publish.electronic.misc,comp.publish.prepress,comp.realtime,comp.robotics,comp.robotics.misc,comp.security.firewalls,comp.security.misc,comp.security.pgp,comp.security.pgp.discuss,comp.security.gss-api From: noemail@aol.com (M Blank) Subject: IIIIIIIIII $80 IIIIIIIIII MS OFFICE PROFESSIONAL 95 IIIIIIIIII $80 IIIIIIIIII Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 X-Newsmaster: Laszlo Herczeg (las@idirect.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Client-Port: 1031 Message-ID: <32efe34f.9742703@news2.compulink.com> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: halnet23.idirect.com Date: 30 Oct 96 06:09:43 UTC Lines: 41 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.dicom:2075 comp.protocols.ibm:5534 comp.protocols.iso:7532 comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ:1725 comp.protocols.iso.x400:4858 comp.protocols.kerberos:7738 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6075 comp.protocols.misc:6051 comp.protocols.nfs:16133 comp.protocols.pcnet:269 comp.protocols.ppp:17731 comp.protocols.smb:9393 comp.protocols.snmp:6878 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:45669 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains:14026 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:41570 comp.protocols.time.ntp:7786 comp.publish.cdrom.hardware:20483 comp.publish.cdrom.multimedia:8938 comp.publish.cdrom.software:11394 comp.publish.electronic.developer:1072 comp.publish.electronic.end-user:571 comp.publish.electronic.misc:1472 comp.publish.prepress:20326 comp.realtime:17196 comp.robotics.misc:9670 comp.security.firewalls:5306 comp.security.misc:35500 comp.security.pgp.discuss:1396 comp.security.gss-api:42 Due to personal financial hardships I find myself in the unenviable position of trying to get back a fraction of what I paid for this program. My retailer refuses returns on 'opened' software, even if I haven't installed the package. Microsoft couldn't care less about my situation, and numerous pleas for an exception to their return policy have fallen on deaf ears. Believe it or not, I need this money more than any program, and I thought someone could at least benefit from this awkward situation. To clarify, this is a store-bought full retail package which contains 2 cd's (unopened), a license agreement and manual, and includes the full versions of WORD and EXCEL (versions 7.0) POWERPOINT, SCHEDULE, ACCESS and BOOKSHELF. This is a stand alone product and not an upgrade (you don't need older versions to run it). It was my intention to put these programs on a shelf somewhere until I needed them, but I do not have that luxury. My resources are extremely limited and I am at the point where this is the only responsible thing to do. I'm just hoping there is someone out there who can use these programs. Please contact me if you or someone you know might be interested. I do not have my own email address yet, however you can write to me at: M. Blank Box 54 Toronto, Ontario M5A 1N1 Thank you and God Bless. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 30 03:41:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA04276 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 03:41:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA09282 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 03:41:41 -0500 (EST) Control: cancel <32efe34f.9742703@news2.compulink.com> X-No-Archive: Yes Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!imci9!newsfeed.mci.com!news.sprint.net!netcom.net!newsx.noc.netcom.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.dicom,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.iso,comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ,comp.protocols.iso.x400,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.smb,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.time.ntp,comp.publish.cdrom.hardware,comp.publish.cdrom.multimedia,comp.publish.cdrom.software,comp.publish.electronic.developer,comp.publish.electronic.end-user,comp.publish.electronic.misc,comp.publish.prepress,comp.realtime,comp.robotics,comp.robotics.misc,comp.security.firewalls,comp.security.misc,comp.security.pgp,comp.security.pgp.discuss,comp.security.gss-api From: noemail@aol.com (M Blank) Subject: cmsg cancel <32efe34f.9742703@news2.compulink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 X-Newsmaster: Laszlo Herczeg (las@idirect.com) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Client-Port: 1031 Message-ID: X-Nntp-Posting-Host: halnet23.idirect.com Date: 30 Oct 96 08:37:55 GMT Lines: 1 Article cancelled. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 30 07:16:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18351 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA03216 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 07:16:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!wits.uni.net.za!ru.uni.net.za!uct.uni.net.za!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: infsys02@iafrica.com (Ricard Wessels) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WHERE IS KERMIT FOR SCO - PLEEZE Help ! Date: 30 Oct 1996 12:15:30 GMT Organization: Internet Africa Lines: 6 Message-ID: <557gt2$3oj$1@newnews.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-18-214.iafrica.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 I have given up on finding a ftp site with kermit for SCO. Could someone plse direct me to such a place. Thanks Ricard Wessels FGH SA From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 30 09:31:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16107 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 09:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA06377 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 09:31:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!news From: amadeus@cs.iastate.edu (Jeremy Bilas) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP! Stack overflow error in Kermit 3.14 Date: 30 Oct 1996 14:16:00 GMT Organization: Iowa State University Biochemistry and Biophysics Dept Lines: 4 Message-ID: <557nv0$b68@news.iastate.edu> References: <54rf34$313@news.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: microhelp.zool.iastate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Ignore the previous message, I found the problem (the com ports were using the same IRQ). From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 30 09:38:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18831 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 09:38:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA06542 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 09:38:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: WHERE IS KERMIT FOR SCO - PLEEZE Help ! Date: 30 Oct 1996 14:38:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-ID: <557p8m$3ct@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6078 comp.unix.sco.misc:30129 On 30 Oct 1996 12:15:30 GMT, Ricard Wessels wrote: : I have given up on finding a ftp site with kermit for SCO. : Could someone plse direct me to such a place. Thanks. : The source for all Kermit software is Columbia University in New York City: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ The current version of C-Kermit for SCO (Xenix, UNIX, and ODT) is is 5A(190). Version 6.0, which also supports OpenServer 5.0, is in the final stage of Beta testing, so users of all SCO platforms are urged to try it and make sure it works. C-Kermit 5A(190) for UNIX: The complete package, including source code, initialization files, installation instructions, documentation updates, hints and tips files, etc, but NOT binary executables: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). For Kermit 6.0 Beta, kermit/test/tar/cku192.tar.Z (or .gz). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make sco3r22 (SCO UNIX 3.2v2) make sco3r24 (SCO UNIX 3.2v4) make sco3r24net (SCO UNIX 3.2v4 with TCP/IP) make sco_oct3 (SCO ODT 3.0, with TCP/IP) make sco32v5 (SCO OpenServer 5.0) make sco3r25net (SCO OpenServer 5.0 with TCP/IP) (There are many other variations -- e.g. for compiling with gcc, for producing ELF binaries, etc; read the comments in the makefile for details.) This should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Binary 5A(190) executables for selected UNIX configurations are available via anonymous from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, files ckuker.* (there are many of these) -- get the READ.ME file from the same directory and read it first. Examples: ckuker.rs6aix32c.3.2.4 - IBM RS/6000 AIX 3.2.4 ckuker.rs6aix41c - IBM RS/6000 AIX 4.1.x ckuker.irix60 - SGI IRIX 6.x ckuker.sco* - Various SCO UNIX / Xenix versions ckuker.solaris2xg.2.3 - Solaris 2.3 SPARC ckuker.solaris2xg.2.4-Intel - Solaris 2.4 Intel ckuker.unixwarenetc - UnixWare For the 6.0 Beta version, prebuilt binaries are in kermit/test/bin. So far the only SCO binaries we have for this version are for OpenServer 5.0. Please send reports to kermit@columbia.edu. Act now, before it's too late :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 30 15:10:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25404 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA14309 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:10:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!xmission!mail.nemonet.com!sbolting From: sbolting@nemonet.com (Stephen Boltinghouse) Subject: Just try this, it will work Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400,comp.org.isoc.interest,comp.org.issnnet,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.java.api,comp.lang.java.misc,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.security,comp.lang.java.setup,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.javascript,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.soft-sys.khoros,comp.edu.languages.natural,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.dcom.lans.fddi,comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel,comp.dcom.lans.misc,comp.dcom.lans.token-ring,comp.os.lantastic Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 23:44:01 GMT Message-ID: <22.9952477184124@news.nemonet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.176.43 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 X-Software: Multipost 1.1 Lines: 143 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.iso.x400:4860 comp.org.isoc.interest:168 comp.org.issnnet:147 comp.lang.java.advocacy:2432 comp.lang.java.api:3501 comp.lang.java.misc:4778 comp.lang.java.programmer:16493 comp.lang.java.security:1176 comp.lang.java.setup:1148 comp.lang.java.tech:3367 comp.lang.javascript:18974 comp.protocols.kerberos:7748 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6079 comp.soft-sys.khoros:12911 comp.edu.languages.natural:1121 comp.dcom.lans.ethernet:29415 comp.dcom.lans.fddi:6042 comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel:424 comp.dcom.lans.misc:8323 comp.dcom.lans.token-ring:4539 comp.os.lantastic:306 Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life. The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months. think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more. That's ... because it WORKS ! So I thought, all those new users might make it work. And I decided to try it out, a few months ago. Besides, whats $5.00, I spend more than that in the morning on my way to work on coffee and cigs for the day. So I sent in my money and posted. Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from AOL, Netcom, etc. they will join in and make it work for you. Well, two weeks later, I began recieving bucks in the mail! I couldn't believe it! Not just a little, I mean big bucks! At first only a few hundred dollars, then a week later, a couple of thousand, then BOOM. By the end of the fourth week, I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. It came from all over the world. And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had enough left over for a nice vacation for me and my family. Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well. Markus Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks. Dave Manning claims he made $53,664 in the same amount of time. Dan Shepstone says it was only $17,000 for him. Do I know these folks? No, but when I read how they say they did it, it made sense to me. Enough sense that I'm taking a similar chance with $5 of my own bucks. Not a big chance, I admit--but one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone ever invests in this system. Period. That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan invested, yet their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe, legal, completely legitimate way. Here's how it works in 3 easy steps: STEP 1. Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces of paper along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST." (In this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're paying for a legitimate service.) Fold a $1 bill, money order, or bank note inside each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail to the following five addresses: 1- Fern Suarez Mallorca 112 Hato Rey, P.R., USA, 00917 2- Philippe 2104 De Mexico Chomedey, Laval Quebec, Canada H7M 3C6 3- Natalie Jansen Lancveldlaan 18 5671 CN Nuenen Holland 4- Chad Collier 2785 Cold Springs Rd. #49 Placerville, CA 95667 5- Steve Boltinghouse 1009 Bird St. Hannibal, MO 63401 STEP 2. Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on. Put your name in as the fifth one on the list. STEP 3. Post the article to at least 250 newsgroups. There are at least 19000 newsgroups at any given moment in time. Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can. Remember the more groups you post to, the more people will see your article and send you cash! STEP 4. You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the Internet is new and huge. There is no way you can lose. Now here is how and why this system works: Out of every block of 250 posts I made, I got back 5 responses. Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or money orders, but real cash with your name at #5. Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 250 additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings. On average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at #4,....$50.00 in your pocket! Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500. They make 250 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000 postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash! Finally, 5,000 people make 250 postings each with your name at #1 and you get a return of $60,000 before your name drops off the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 250 postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000. From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list, you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again. The end result depends on you. You must follow through and repost this article everywhere you can think of. The more postings you make, the more cash ends up in your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!! So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper. So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is playing fairly. You know where your name should be. If you're really not sure or still think this can't be for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see what happens. REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS! GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH! *** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10,000! TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!! :o) !!!!!!!!!! From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 30 15:42:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02821 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA15266 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:42:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 30 Oct 1996 15:33:08 EST Newsgroups: comp.protocols.dicom,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.iso,comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ,comp.protocols.iso.x400,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.smb,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.time.ntp,comp.publish.cdrom.hardware,comp.publish.cdrom.multimedia,comp.publish.cdrom.software,comp.publish.electronic.developer,comp.publish.electronic.end-user,comp.publish.electronic.misc,comp.publish.prepress,comp.realtime,comp.robotics,comp.robotics.misc,comp.security.firewalls,comp.security.misc,comp.security.pgp,comp.security.pgp.discuss,comp.security.gss-api Message-ID: Control: cancel <32efe34f.9742703@news2.compulink.com> X-No-Archive: Yes From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Sender: noemail@aol.com (M Blank) Subject: cmsg cancel <32efe34f.9742703@news2.compulink.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Cancelled-By: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 3 EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19961030.25 for further details From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 30 15:51:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04502 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:51:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA15461 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:51:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mr.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!defsdoor.demon.co.uk From: andy@defsdoor.demon.co.uk (Andrew Porter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation Over TCP/IP Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 20:44:27 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <846708546.18587.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: defsdoor.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: defsdoor.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99b.112 At work we have a Novell (3.14) network and 2 SCO Unix (3.2.4) machines networked together. We are getting a new software package (a ledger) that will be running on one of the SCO boxes but it only supports ansi terminals. I would like to join the two networks and use kermit on the PCs on the Novell network to access the new Unix ledger. The problem is I don't really have a clue what to do. I have joined the two networks without any problems but cannot find any drivers for the network cards that will enable kermit to run as a terminal. I once installed kermit on an existing Novell/SCO Unix network (in Abu Dhabi of all places) to replace an terrible (and I mean terrible) terminal emulator. Then I simply guessed (lots of use of the ? key) at doing set port TELAPI and it worked. But I am pretty sure I need some sort of packet driver to handle the tcp/ip packets to and from the SCO system. I have a client set of disks that came in the Novell box. Our software supplier wants us to use something called ICE TCP which they say they will only use - but they want to charge us 500 pounds for it. Could anyone point me somewhere in the right direction please ? From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 30 17:23:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27268 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA17602 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:23:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation Over TCP/IP Date: 30 Oct 1996 22:12:37 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 52 Message-ID: <558jsl$t05@samba.rahul.net> References: <846708546.18587.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Andrew Porter (andy@defsdoor.demon.co.uk) wrote: : At work we have a Novell (3.14) network and 2 SCO Unix (3.2.4) I have Novell 3.12, Unixware and ESIX SVR4. : supports ansi terminals. I would like to join the two networks and MSKermit would probably do fine configured as a vt102. That is generally a superset of the ANSI terminal. Unless this software is specifically rude. : Our software supplier wants us to use something called ICE TCP which : they say they will only use - but they want to charge us 500 pounds For 500 pounds, they might be specifically rude (see above). But probably not. I have used ICE. I prefer MSKermit. And at the time, cost was not a factor. : Could anyone point me somewhere in the right direction please ? Kermit is available on the Internet via anonymous ftp from host watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2] http://www.columbia.edu/kermit kermit/read.me kermit/bin/read.me explain file locations. The Novell VLM + IPXODI and TCP net.cfg is not intuitive to some folks. I can't remember how difficult it was to discover the magic incantations, but ultimately, after getting Netware to work via IPXODI, I modified the net.cfg to accept MSKermit TCP: Link Driver NE2000 INT 5 PORT 320 MEM D0000 FRAME Ethernet_802.2 Frame Ethernet_II Frame Ethernet_SNAP Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II As I recall, one of these settings doesn't agree with the docs, but was visible on the screen as the VLM loaded. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 31 05:17:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA05008 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 05:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA05137 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 05:17:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!bcarh189.bnr.ca!mordred.cc.jyu.fi!cyberspam!usenet Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400,comp.org.isoc.interest,comp.org.issnnet,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.java.api,comp.lang.java.misc,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.security,comp.lang.java.setup,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.javascript,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.soft-sys.khoros,comp.edu.languages.natural,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.dcom.lans.fddi,comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel,comp.dcom.lans.misc,comp.dcom.lans.token-ring,comp.os.lantastic From: sbolting@nemonet.com (Stephen Boltinghouse) Subject: cmsg cancel <22.9952477184124@news.nemonet.com> Control: cancel <22.9952477184124@news.nemonet.com> Message-ID: Approved: otto@cc.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Reply-To: otto@cc.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) X-Cancelled-by: otto@cc.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) Followup-to: junk References: <22.9952477184124@news.nemonet.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 23:44:01 GMT X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 1 Spam-cancel: "Just try this, it will work" From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 31 06:10:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18069 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 06:10:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA13697 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 06:10:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntp.inet.fi!news.csc.fi!usenet From: Henk-Jan Castermans Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400,comp.org.isoc.interest,comp.org.issnnet,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.java.api,comp.lang.java.misc,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.security,comp.lang.java.setup,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.javascript,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.soft-sys.khoros,comp.edu.languages.natural,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.dcom.lans.fddi,comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel,comp.dcom.lans.misc,comp.dcom.lans.token-ring,comp.os.lantastic Subject: Re: Just try this, it will work Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:36:07 +0200 Organization: Evitech Lines: 18 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <32788F27.DFE@evitech.fi> References: <22.9952477184124@news.nemonet.com> Reply-To: henkjc@evitech.fi NNTP-Posting-Host: ariadnepc.evitech.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (WinNT; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.iso.x400:4862 comp.org.isoc.interest:170 comp.org.issnnet:148 comp.lang.java.advocacy:2443 comp.lang.java.api:3540 comp.lang.java.misc:4824 comp.lang.java.programmer:16644 comp.lang.java.security:1186 comp.lang.java.setup:1158 comp.lang.java.tech:3404 comp.lang.javascript:19039 comp.protocols.kerberos:7763 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6082 comp.soft-sys.khoros:12912 comp.edu.languages.natural:1122 comp.dcom.lans.ethernet:29431 comp.dcom.lans.fddi:6043 comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel:425 comp.dcom.lans.misc:8326 comp.dcom.lans.token-ring:4542 comp.os.lantastic:310 WHAT IS THIS DOING OVER HERE!!!!!!!!! IS THIS JAVA?!!!! These guys ought to be mailbombed! These systems DON'T work. A simple expanation of why this doesn't work! Only a group of idiots are in for this. A small group begins. And each member tries to get more fools into this systems. Result: The group is growing exponetially. This always ends to a certain point. Because of the enormous growth of the people who are in this business. The last persons in this system (and that is the biggest group, because of the exponential growth) are going to pay for the rest (the smallest group). Dream on, there goes your fortune....... From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 31 11:22:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01238 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:22:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03126 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:22:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!newsgate.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!paperboy.wellfleet.com!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.chips.ibm.com!mdnews.btv.ibm.com!news.rchland.ibm.com!nordruth.rchland.ibm.com!seurer From: seurer@nordruth.rchland.ibm.com (Bill Seurer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400,comp.org.isoc.interest,comp.org.issnnet,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.java.api,comp.lang.java.misc,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.java.security,comp.lang.java.setup,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.javascript,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.soft-sys.khoros,comp.edu.languages.natural,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.dcom.lans.fddi,comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel,comp.dcom.lans.misc,comp.dcom.lans.token-ring,comp.os.lantastic Subject: Re: Just try this, it will work Date: 31 Oct 1996 15:52:23 GMT Organization: IBM Rochester MN Lines: 38 Distribution: world Message-ID: <55ahvn$1gok@news.rchland.ibm.com> References: <22.9952477184124@news.nemonet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nordruth.rchland.ibm.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.iso.x400:4866 comp.org.isoc.interest:171 comp.org.issnnet:149 comp.lang.java.advocacy:2452 comp.lang.java.api:3558 comp.lang.java.misc:4840 comp.lang.java.programmer:16706 comp.lang.java.security:1190 comp.lang.java.setup:1163 comp.lang.java.tech:3415 comp.lang.javascript:19083 comp.protocols.kerberos:7764 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6083 comp.soft-sys.khoros:12914 comp.edu.languages.natural:1124 comp.dcom.lans.ethernet:29435 comp.dcom.lans.fddi:6045 comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel:426 comp.dcom.lans.misc:8328 comp.dcom.lans.token-ring:4543 comp.os.lantastic:314 While you might make some money off some poor suckers by doing this be advised that this is a scam called a "pyramid" or "Ponzi" scheme. It is also quite illegal both in the USA and nearly every other country. Check out the US Postal Inspection Service's web site http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm which starts: -=-=- United States Postal Inspection Service Chain Letters A chain letter is a "get rich quick" scheme that promises that your mail box will soon be stuffed full of cash if you decide to participate. You're told you can make thousands of dollars every month if you follow the detailed instructions in the letter. . . . There's at least one problem with chain letters. They're illegal if they request money or other items of value and promise a substantial return to the participants. Chain letters are a form of gambling, and sending them through the mail (or delivering them in person or by computer, but mailing money to participate) violates Title 18, United States Code, Section 1302, the Postal Lottery Statute. . . . Recently, high-tech chain letters have begun surfacing. They may be disseminated over the Internet, or may require the copying and mailing of computer disks rather than paper. Regardless of what technology is used to advance the scheme, if the mail is used at any step along the way, it is still illegal. . . . -- - Bill Seurer ID Tools and Compiler Development IBM Rochester, MN Business: BillSeurer@vnet.ibm.com Home: BillSeurer@aol.com WWW: http://members.aol.com/BillSeurer From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 31 22:52:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23562 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA19427 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:52:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation Over TCP/IP Message-ID: <1996Oct31.200255.88253@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Oct 96 20:02:55 MDT References: <846708546.18587.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> <558jsl$t05@samba.rahul.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 59 In article <558jsl$t05@samba.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: > Andrew Porter (andy@defsdoor.demon.co.uk) wrote: > : At work we have a Novell (3.14) network and 2 SCO Unix (3.2.4) > > I have Novell 3.12, Unixware and ESIX SVR4. > > : supports ansi terminals. I would like to join the two networks and > > MSKermit would probably do fine configured as a vt102. That is generally a > superset of the ANSI terminal. Unless this software is specifically rude. > > : Our software supplier wants us to use something called ICE TCP which > : they say they will only use - but they want to charge us 500 pounds > > For 500 pounds, they might be specifically rude (see above). > But probably not. > > I have used ICE. I prefer MSKermit. > And at the time, cost was not a factor. > > : Could anyone point me somewhere in the right direction please ? > > Kermit is available on the Internet via anonymous ftp from host > watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2] > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit > > kermit/read.me kermit/bin/read.me explain file locations. > > > The Novell VLM + IPXODI and TCP net.cfg is not intuitive to some folks. > I can't remember how difficult it was to discover the magic incantations, > but ultimately, after getting Netware to work via IPXODI, I modified the > net.cfg to accept MSKermit TCP: > > Link Driver NE2000 > INT 5 > PORT 320 > MEM D0000 > FRAME Ethernet_802.2 > Frame Ethernet_II > Frame Ethernet_SNAP > Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II > Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II > Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II > > > As I recall, one of these settings doesn't agree with the docs, but was > visible on the screen as the VLM loaded. > --- > Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. --------- Thanks Clarence. The differences in NET.CFG from my recommendations to your example are in the two extra frame kinds, Ethernet_802.2 and Ethernet_SNAP. If you are actually running Ethertalk (Appletalk on Ethernet) then Ethernet_SNAP is an appropriate addition. I think you know my words on avoiding Ethernet_802.2 as a frame without a merit. Thus my example, which is real world production, uses only Ethernet_II. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 1 01:47:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16356 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 01:47:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA23834 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 01:47:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!coho.halcyon.com!thos From: Tom Redfern Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Question about kermit transfer rates. Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:44:13 -0800 Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: coho.halcyon.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm having some problem getting binary transfer rates higher than about 1000 cps with kermit. I've been messing with both ends setting packet sizes etc. Just playing around so far, but its not good. Is kermit capable of high transfer rates? What kind of performance are people getting doing binary transfers? What should I be shooting for? I'm useing kermit 5A for unix at both ends. Thanks for any replies. ---------------------------------------------- Please forward any replies to: thos@scn.org Finger thos@halcyon.com for pgp key. ---------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 1 09:48:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27812 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:48:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA24711 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:48:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation Over TCP/IP Date: 1 Nov 1996 14:47:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <55d2il$92k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <846708546.18587.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> <558jsl$t05@samba.rahul.net> <1996Oct31.200255.88253@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Oct31.200255.88253@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: : In article <558jsl$t05@samba.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: : > Andrew Porter (andy@defsdoor.demon.co.uk) wrote: : > : At work we have a Novell (3.14) network and 2 SCO Unix (3.2.4) : > : > I have Novell 3.12, Unixware and ESIX SVR4. : > : > : supports ansi terminals. I would like to join the two networks and : > : > MSKermit would probably do fine configured as a vt102. That is generally a : > superset of the ANSI terminal. Unless this software is specifically rude. : There are several incompatible differences between ANSI and VT100/102. MS-DOS Kermit supports ANSI terminal emulation directly via SET TERMINAL TYPE ANSI. However, note that even ANSI is not quite the same as SCO ANSI, so give it a try and see if it is serviceable. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 1 10:01:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29980 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25067 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:01:18 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Question about kermit transfer rates. Date: 1 Nov 1996 15:00:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <55d3ai$9gk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tom Redfern wrote: : I'm having some problem getting binary transfer rates higher than about : 1000 cps with kermit. : On what kind of connection? What did you expect to get? : I've been messing with both ends setting : packet sizes etc. Just playing around so far, but its not good. : : Is kermit capable of high transfer rates? : Yes. : What kind of performance are : people getting doing binary transfers? What should I be shooting for? : I'm useing kermit 5A for unix at both ends. : On a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600 bps interface speed: Typical text files: 3500 cps (characters per second) Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE) Compressed files: 1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files) Double those figures for V.34. For details, see the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt It explains the 3 or 4 tuning parameters that let you achieve top performance on any particular connection. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 1 12:12:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28452 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA28555 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:12:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!ftn.net!news From: "T.A.Holden" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K-95 Host/Server problems with other Comms s/w Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 12:07:28 -0500 Organization: Canadian Broadcasting Corportaion Lines: 22 Message-ID: <327A2E50.640A@toronto.cbc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.33.2.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) I have problems with K-95 interfacing with other ZMODEM and Kermit terminals. With K-95 in Telnet hostmode, Procomm Plus 2.11 for Windows cannot complete a binary upload of a file which it can successfully download with ZMODEM and cannot Kermit at all. Procomm can Kermit with K-95 in server mode with appropriate configs but seems slow. NetTerm cannot initiate a file transfer either way with either protocol whether K-95 is in Telnet hostmode or Kermit server mode. Any advice? I was hoping to establish a host for both asynch dialup and Telnet with the same user interface primarily for binary file uploads. K-95 looked promising. -- Tom Holden Manager, Systems Engineering (Radio) Phone: +1 416-205-3081 Broadcast Engineering FAX: +1 416-205-2932 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation Internet: tholden@toronto.cbc.ca PO Box 500, Station A Room 2E102 Toronto, Ont, Canada M5W 1E6 From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 1 14:58:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08480 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA02704 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:58:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!ftn.net!news From: "T.A.Holden" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K-95 Host/Server problems with other Comms s/w Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 14:29:45 -0500 Organization: Canadian Broadcasting Corportaion Lines: 50 Message-ID: <327A4FA9.4E6D@toronto.cbc.ca> References: <327A2E50.640A@toronto.cbc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.33.2.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6ACE6CB26740" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6ACE6CB26740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Further re the Procomm/K-95 ZMODEM problem, attached is the binary data which results in the CRC mismatch. In this case 0 bytes are transferred. The first 16 bytes in hex are: 35 33 74 6E D5 43 0D 00 - 18 FF FD 32 C4 33 21 11 Procomm can successfully upload this file via Telnet to other ZMODEM servers so I would suspect an error in K-95's ZMODEM receive CRC calculation. -- Tom Holden Manager, Systems Engineering (Radio) Phone: +1 416-205-3081 Broadcast Engineering FAX: +1 416-205-2932 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation Internet: tholden@toronto.cbc.ca PO Box 500, Station A Room 2E102 Toronto, Ont, Canada M5W 1E6 --------------6ACE6CB26740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Ztest.dta" 53tn=D5C =00=18=FF=FD2=C43!=11=11=11=12I =00=00=00=AA=E9=AA=9A,=C3QE$=D6]U=96a=B6[e=A6= =DA=06(=E5X=82=DDf=B7.:=82uyYe=10=9Av=E2=F0=1DVT5=A6=95=AA!=88Y=0Fu=80C=DB=16= fg=AA=AE=05*=AC(=D5e=C1=9E!*=18=E3=90=81=D5=16=12 $=17=98=84t:Rg2B=CD<\=B2=B6T=16=A1=A8=E44=AE=C9=16=02=3D=EE=A7=CB=BAJU=AEc=A0= =D65=B7=AA=D6!=1A[=83qr=E6=BE=15j=94=E8e=06Id_k8m =1B=07=15=9D=A5=E4=A6=A6=B5=D4k@=C6=A9=A7HK=96M"=D6%=0E=D6.=8Cl=00=00=18=FF= =FD0=C43=12=11=11=11=12J =00=00=00=AA=AB=A5=AA0=D3=CFE%=94Ye=DBa=A6Zm=C7i=AA= X=E1Y=AAm=85L=C1=AD=DE=C5z=15=D7=A2q*=F5=0C=EA=9BZYn=03,=FB=DA=D5=3D=CA$,=C4= =EA=B1=07=88h=C8B=07pf=A6=ADx]Q=C9[n=CAl=14=D7=B9=AD=E6=1A=A8=B6t&k[v=B5=AC= k2=92=D1=F1)O=88=E5.l =9A=E3=95iFy=9B=E2=95=AEk#=94 }=99=98b=9C=F9=EFi=C2=9B=A5=EE=8EJ=1Aiz>m=9A=86=A6=CE*w=91)=E1QMf2:=01=1E+=19= =A6Y=BB=11e=C3=B7 "=D4=17(C@=00=FF=FD2=C4B=11=11=11=11=12H$=10=00=00=AA=AA=AA=BA=8C4=E4SME=15= a=A6=9Aq=F7]=82n=9CS m=94=A1=A2=DA=94f=D6=A5=E5=97B*#Z=C8=C2GScy=82 =B1=A4=8B#[e=11=90=83s8=CC2=D8=9E --------------6ACE6CB26740-- From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 1 15:16:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11640 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:16:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03174 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:16:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K-95 Host/Server problems with other Comms s/w Date: 1 Nov 1996 20:16:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-ID: <55dlq9$9he@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <327A2E50.640A@toronto.cbc.ca> <327A4FA9.4E6D@toronto.cbc.ca> Reply-To: kermit-support@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <327A4FA9.4E6D@toronto.cbc.ca>, T.A.Holden wrote: : This is a multi-part message in MIME format. : : --------------6ACE6CB26740 : Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii : Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit : : Further re the Procomm/K-95 ZMODEM problem, attached is the binary data : which results in the CRC mismatch. In this case 0 bytes are transferred. : The first 16 bytes in hex are: : : 35 33 74 6E D5 43 0D 00 - 18 FF FD 32 C4 33 21 11 : : Procomm can successfully upload this file via Telnet to other ZMODEM : servers so I would suspect an error in K-95's ZMODEM receive CRC : calculation. sz version 3.31 transfers your file to Kermit-95 without difficulty. So it is not just a Kermit-95 issue. As requested in my previous e-mail response to you on this problem report, I will need to see debug logs of the transfer in order to help you solve your problem. Here is the transfer of your file: [C:\] C-Kermit>c S Message: ZMODEM receiving is being initiated Message: Total of 1 files and 449 bytes left to transfer Message: Receiving ztest.dta, 449 bytes Message: Appending at 0 Receiving: ztest.dta => ztest.dta Size: 449, Type: binary File Percent Packet Bytes Done CPS Length 449 100% 449 495 [OK] Z Message: 449 bytes, 0 s, 449 CPS Message: Transfer done! : --------------6ACE6CB26740 : Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 : Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable : Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Ztest.dta" : Please, when attaching binary data files, please do not attach them as text as they will seriously mess up a terminal emulation session. --- Please reply to this response by e-mail as the turn around time is much faster than that allowed by Usenet. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 1 15:18:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11880 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03197 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:18:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation Over TCP/IP Message-ID: <1996Nov1.125303.88297@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Nov 96 12:53:03 MDT References: <846708546.18587.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 In article <846708546.18587.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk>, andy@defsdoor.demon.co.uk (Andrew Porter) writes: > At work we have a Novell (3.14) network and 2 SCO Unix (3.2.4) > machines networked together. We are getting a new software package (a > ledger) that will be running on one of the SCO boxes but it only > supports ansi terminals. I would like to join the two networks and > use kermit on the PCs on the Novell network to access the new Unix > ledger. The problem is I don't really have a clue what to do. "It" means the application, we presume, because SCO Unix is smarter than that. Have you tried SET TERMINAL TYPE ? to see the choices? One is ANSI-BBS. Note there has never been a real ANSI terminal, only bits and pieces emulated in programs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 2 10:15:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00310 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 10:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA21125 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 10:15:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!silicon.transmeta.com!ratatosk.yggdrasil.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!newshost.fiu.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!usenet.nerdc.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!panix!news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP - what device should be used in SET LINE? Date: 21 Oct 1996 17:44:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <54gcq7$oos@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bbbf74$bafd61e0$e384b8ce@chingmin.vip.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bbbf74$bafd61e0$e384b8ce@chingmin.vip.best.com>, Ching Lai wrote: : I am trying to use kermit on solaris 2.5 in Ultra1 to : dial out. I hook up the modem (Telebit World Blazer) to : serial port A and configure the modem as dial-in and dial-out. : : I can use tip to dial out and I also can dial in from one of : my PC to the Ultra station. : : I just can not get the kermit work. Here is the screen : dump of Kermit session. : : C-Kermit>SET MODEM telebit : C-Kermit>SET LINE /dev/tty : C-Kermit>dial 14156914500 : Sorry, you must SET LINE or SET HOST first : C-Kermit> : : Can some one tell me what device I should use for SET LINE? : You have to use the proper device name for serial port A. It might be /dev/cua, /dev/cua0, or dev/cua/a. (Try the last one first.) For other hints, look in your Solaris manuals, man pages, or in the /dev directory. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 2 19:31:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03710 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 19:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA04605 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 19:31:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!xmission!mail.nemonet.com!sbolting From: sbolting@nemonet.com (Stephen Boltinghouse) Subject: Just try this, it will work Newsgroups: alt.autos.karting,alt.current-events.kashmir,no.uninett.katalog,alt.fan.kate-moss,alt.fan.katerena-eiermann,alt.fan.katerena.eiermann,sfnet.tietoliikenne.katko,no.alt.katter,finet.markkinat.kaupalliset,alt.fan.kay-dekker,alt.birdlung.kayak-repair,alt.fan.keanu-reeves,alt.religion.keithians,ais.rec.kenduskeag,alt.fan.kent-montana,alt.bonehead.kent-paul-dolan,soc.culture.kenya,alt.fan.kenya-moore,alt.culture.kerala,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,fj.os.os9 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 23:44:01 GMT Message-ID: <236.654193326831@news.nemonet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.176.43 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 X-Software: Multipost 1.1 Lines: 143 Xref: news.columbia.edu alt.autos.karting:3405 no.uninett.katalog:1 alt.fan.kate-moss:1116 alt.fan.katerena.eiermann:7 sfnet.tietoliikenne.katko:27 no.alt.katter:514 finet.markkinat.kaupalliset:1288 alt.fan.kay-dekker:15 alt.fan.keanu-reeves:8399 soc.culture.kenya:2430 alt.culture.kerala:22504 comp.protocols.kerberos:7801 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6093 Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life. 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From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 2 20:09:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07695 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:09:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA05575 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:09:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!newsfeed.kreonet.re.kr!EU.net!news.mathworks.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cyberspam!not-for-mail Sender: sbolting@nemonet.com (Stephen Boltinghouse) From: news@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov Reply-To: bitbucket@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov Subject: cmsg cancel <236.654193326831@news.nemonet.com> no reply ignore Control: cancel <236.654193326831@news.nemonet.com> Newsgroups: alt.autos.karting,alt.current-events.kashmir,no.uninett.katalog,alt.fan.kate-moss,alt.fan.katerena-eiermann,alt.fan.katerena.eiermann,sfnet.tietoliikenne.katko,no.alt.katter,finet.markkinat.kaupalliset,alt.fan.kay-dekker,alt.birdlung.kayak-repair,alt.fan.keanu-reeves,alt.religion.keithians,ais.rec.kenduskeag,alt.fan.kent-montana,alt.bonehead.kent-paul-dolan,soc.culture.kenya,alt.fan.kenya-moore,alt.culture.kerala,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,fj.os.os9 Message-ID: X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 01:07:23 GMT Approved: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Canceled-by: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Lines: 8 ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. 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For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 2 23:25:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA28957 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 23:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA10255 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 23:25:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!mcrcim.mcgill.edu!news.mcgill.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dbtech.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!news1.sunbelt.net!usenet From: "Aiken Technical College" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 Hang - CR not recognized in DEC-TDMS screen Date: 22 Oct 1996 15:09:41 GMT Organization: Info Avenue INTERNET Access Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bbc033$a71ecfa0$079204c7@mis02.aik.tec.sc.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: mis02.aik.tec.sc.us X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Strange problem with old S/W written in DEC-TDMS on VAX using VT-320 terminal emulation. The first screen requires a Carriage Return. Well, it just hangs and does nothing. BUT, if you do Alt-X then C to reconnect, then everything works fine until you exit the VAX program. When you restart that one program, it hangs again, but the same "fix" works. Just this one VAX program has the problem. I have tried changing many things, but nothing seems to help. (By the way, QVT works just fine with this VAX program.) Anybody have any ideas? Ray T. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 3 07:34:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15282 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 07:34:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA11663 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 07:34:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!server1.nw.ixe.net!server1.adam.ixe.net!wirehub!news.cistron.nl!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.iac.net!odin.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.muohio.edu!nidhogg.ham.muohio.edu!howardjp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit and patching Message-ID: <1996Nov2.203041.1874@nntp.muohio.edu> From: howardjp@ham.muohio.edu (James Howard) Date: 2 Nov 96 20:30:41 -0500 Nntp-Posting-Host: nidhogg.ham.muohio.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 10 I am just a bit confused. When you patch MS-Kermit, is it supposed to be permanent or does it have to be repatched everytime it is run? BTW, how close is v3.15 to release? Thanks, James -- If God had meant for us to be in the Army, we would have been born with green, baggy skin. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 3 23:50:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA05300 for ; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 23:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA09546 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 Nov 1996 23:50:57 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!mcrcim.mcgill.edu!news.mcgill.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.consultix.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!freenet.buffalo.edu!am302 From: "L. Chen" Subject: Motorola's Montana 28.8 fax/modem card Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet.buffalo.edu Organization: Buffalo Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 02:42:35 GMT Lines: 11 I use Columbia Kermit 3.14 as a external protocol to ProComm for DOS. Kermit does not have a script for the above modem; so I use the script for the Zoom 14.4 modem -- (In the .ini file, I have "set modem zoom"). Is that the reason why I am only get a file transfer speed of 1,200 to 2,000 bytes/sec -- out of a possible of 3,600 bytes for a 28.8 modem ???? How can I increase the transfer speed? TIA From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 00:08:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07065 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 00:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA10479 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 00:07:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!nntp.inet.fi!news.funet.fi!news.cs.hut.fi!news.clinet.fi!usenet From: "Ilkka Salmenius" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Source code of Kermit protocol Date: 2 Nov 1996 15:46:14 GMT Organization: InnoView Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bbc8d4$2d552f80$e72c64c2@ilkka> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.100.44.231 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Hi there, Is there any Kermit protocol source code available for any language. (Pascal, C..) Thanks in advance Ilkka From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 00:08:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07068 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 00:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA10484 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 00:08:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!nntp.inet.fi!news.funet.fi!news.cs.hut.fi!news.clinet.fi!usenet From: "Ilkka Salmenius" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Anu source code of Kermit protocol Date: 3 Nov 1996 12:09:12 GMT Organization: InnoView Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bbc97f$05aacd90$e72c64c2@ilkka> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.100.44.231 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Hello Is there any Kermit protocol source code available for any common language (C, Pascal)? Ilkka From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 02:55:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA04912 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 02:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA14800 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 02:55:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news From: Str8.Man@Nice.Folks.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: @@@>> HOT COLLEGE BI-MALES!!! >PRIVATE< 1-900-825-6000 xt 9794 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 06:07:26 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 16 Message-ID: <55k14l$rd9@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd63-118.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 HOT COLLEGE STR8, BI, AND GAY GUYS NEEDED FOR FRIENDS AND/OR RELATIONSHIPS! 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From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 08:42:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25563 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 08:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA12203 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 08:41:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!mcrcim.mcgill.edu!news.mcgill.ca!calvin.risq.qc.ca!sunqbc.risq.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.megalink.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.shentel.net!usenet From: Brian Showalter Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: UUCP lock files in Linux Kermit Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:37:04 -0400 Organization: Virginia Mennonite Retirement Community Lines: 3 Message-ID: <326E73E0.5B6ACDF4@vmrc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: bshowalte.shentel.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) How do I tell Kermit where to find UUCP lock files? It keeps looking in /var/spool/uucp, and my Red Hat Linux keeps the lock files in /var/lock. I've looked through all the help screens and man pages for a parameter to set, but can't find anything. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 10:15:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA07650 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 10:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA14553 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 10:15:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!nntp.inet.fi!news.funet.fi!news.cs.hut.fi!news.clinet.fi!usenet From: aivoriihi@vsonic.fi (Timo Koivunen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Divide Error on MS-Kermit 3.13 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 10:50:37 GMT Organization: Aivoriihi Oy Espoo Finland Lines: 17 Message-ID: <55khn2$s1u@news.clinet.fi> Reply-To: aivoriihi@vsonic.fi NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp19.vsonic.fi X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I just changed my old 486-33 8MB motherboard to a Cyrix-P166+ based 16MB board. The MS-Kermit 3.13 does not start anymore but an error message 'Divide error' is displayed and the system goes back to DOS. I did not change the config.sys or autoexec.bat files and I am using the same hard-disk as before. Everything else works just fine on this computer. Even the header is not displayed, just this error message. Is there anybody who could help me on this? Thanks in advance Timo Koivunen From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 11:21:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17976 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16103 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:21:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Motorola's Montana 28.8 fax/modem card Date: 4 Nov 1996 16:20:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <55l55b$aaf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , L. Chen wrote: : I use Columbia Kermit 3.14 as a external protocol to ProComm for DOS. : Kermit does not have a script for the above modem; so I use the script for : the Zoom 14.4 modem -- (In the .ini file, I have "set modem zoom"). Is : that the reason why I am only get a file transfer speed of 1,200 to 2,000 : bytes/sec -- out of a possible of 3,600 bytes for a 28.8 modem ???? : If your modem does not have the same commands as Zoom modem, you have to alter the script to make it work with your modem. Make sure that it enables all the modem's high-speed features: an interface speed of (say) 57600 bps, error correction, data compression, and hardware flow control. : How can I increase the transfer speed? : Once you are sure the modem script is working right, tell Kermit to: set receive packet length 4000 ; or some other number between 1000 and 9000 set window 20 ; or other number between (say) 4 and 31 set control unprefix all set control prefix 0,1,13,... ; (prefix unsafe control characters) and then you should get the transfer rates you expect, *IF* the connection allows it. See the Kermit FAQ for further information: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 11:34:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21910 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:34:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16431 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:34:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.us.world.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation Over TCP/IP Date: 4 Nov 1996 16:28:39 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 54 Message-ID: <55l5jn$oe0@bug.rahul.net> References: <846708546.18587.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> <558jsl$t05@samba.rahul.net> <1996Oct31.200255.88253@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] : Clarence Dold writes: : > The Novell VLM + IPXODI and TCP net.cfg is not intuitive to some folks. : > Link Driver NE2000 : > INT 5 : > PORT 320 : > MEM D0000 : > FRAME Ethernet_802.2 : > Frame Ethernet_II : > Frame Ethernet_SNAP : > Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II : > Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II : > Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II : > As I recall, one of these settings doesn't agree with the docs, but was : > visible on the screen as the VLM loaded. Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : Thanks Clarence. The differences in NET.CFG from my recommendations : to your example are in the two extra frame kinds, Ethernet_802.2 and : Ethernet_SNAP. If you are actually running Ethertalk (Appletalk on Ethernet) : then Ethernet_SNAP is an appropriate addition. I think you know my words : on avoiding Ethernet_802.2 as a frame without a merit. Thus my example, which : is real world production, uses only Ethernet_II. We don't have EtherTalk, so I probably don't need the SNAP. We do have one machine that needs 802.2 due to the installed card. Or did... that box might be gone by now ;-) I'll have to check. I kept all of the Net.cfg as similar as possible. The enabling change that I made was in the middle column (0800,0806,8035). My Kermit didn't work with the values suggested in the docs when I installed, and I noticed during a boot that the value displayed on the screen was different. Perhaps that piece of doc has changed, or perhaps I set it according to the wrong set of docs (Novell?). I found the myriad of flexibility in the Kermit docs to be a disadvantage. There are too many generalities without a concrete example of a config.sys, autoexec.bat, net.cfg, and mskermit.ini. To include that in mskermit docs might be a stretch of the realm of responsibility beyond Kermit, but it would be helpful. Each of us arrives at a workable set by some method. I'm just trying to push my discovered set. If my set doesn't match the installed case at some site, at least it is an indicator of actual applied syntax that does work. At Convergent Technologies, each installation manual included an actual set of configuration files from a simplified system, and from a slightly more complex system. Along with the rest of the docs, it allowed comparison of one's interpretation against a set that is known to work, at least for one system. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 11:41:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22943 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16612 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 11:41:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.us.world.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Question about kermit transfer rates. Date: 4 Nov 1996 16:39:39 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 35 Message-ID: <55l68b$oge@bug.rahul.net> References: <55d3ai$9gk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : On a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600 : bps interface speed: : Typical text files: 3500 cps (characters per second) : Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE) : Compressed files: 1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files) : Double those figures for V.34. For details, see the Kermit FAQ: I agree with Frank on the figures for a 14.4 connection, but I can't get double the rates on a 33.6 connection... I am seeing 2600 for MSKermit.exe to Unix C-Kermit, and 2800+ on Unix to Unix gzip files. The text files vary widely, but /etc/termcap transfers at about 6000cps unix to unix. This is without the prefix tuning that might be possible for some connections. I work through a Telebit Netblazer modem server, and I can't find a set of prefix characters to make it happy, so I've left it as is. On another connection that was direct to a Unix box, I could gain some speed with modifying the prefixing set, but not enough for me to bother with. I also run 38400 rather than 57600, as I don't find my small boxes capable of handling 57600 properly. Actually, that was derived empirically with a 14.4 modem at one end, and 28.8 at the other. I might rerun some experimentation now that I have a pair of 33.3 modems. I am transferring 3-5MB of .zip files daily from a PC to a Unix box, with the new modems just finishing some basic testing. I'll post results in a few days. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 12:42:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04345 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA18037 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:42:31 -0500 (EST) From: dcoles@datlog.co.uk (Dave Coles) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Uk Supplier of Win95 Kermit Date: 4 Nov 1996 13:29:38 GMT Organization: Data Logic Limited Lines: 12 Message-ID: <55kr43$eto@drain.datlog.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dns2.datlog.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.frontline.co.uk!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!drain.datlog.co.uk!dns2!not-for-mail Does any one know the name and telephone number of a UK supplier of the Windows 95 version of kermit. I need to get a copy as soon as possible, like today. -- Regards, David Coles email: dcoles@datlog.co.uk Data Logic Limited, Tel : +44 (0)181 715 9696 CI Tower, St George's Square, DDI : +44 (0)181 388 0405 High Street, New Malden, Fax : +44 (0)181 715 1771 Surrey, KT3 4HH www : http://www.datlog.co.uk From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 13:16:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09908 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA18843 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:16:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Question about kermit transfer rates. Date: 4 Nov 1996 18:15:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: <55lbsd$e77@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <55d3ai$9gk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <55l68b$oge@bug.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <55l68b$oge@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : On a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, : : 57600 bps interface speed: : : : : Typical text files: 3500 cps (characters per second) : : Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE) : : Compressed files: 1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files) : : : : Double those figures for V.34. For details, see the Kermit FAQ: : : I agree with Frank on the figures for a 14.4 connection, but I can't : get double the rates on a 33.6 connection... : I am seeing 2600 for MSKermit.exe to Unix C-Kermit, and 2800+ on Unix to : Unix gzip files. The text files vary widely, but /etc/termcap : transfers at about 6000cps unix to unix. : The computer(s) or the connection itself might be a bottleneck. Are you sure, for example, that the two modems really negotiated a 33600bps connection? And if they did, that both computers are fast enough to keep up with it (hint -- watch the RTS and CTS lights on the modem: if the local computer is flow-controlling the modem, that means the local computer is not keeping up; of course the same thing might be happening on the other end, but you can't see it). : This is without the prefix tuning that might be possible for some : connections. I work through a Telebit Netblazer modem server, and I can't : find a set of prefix characters to make it happy, so I've left it as is. : On another connection that was direct to a Unix box, I could gain some : speed with modifying the prefixing set, but not enough for me to bother : with. : You can gain up to 26% throughput by unprefixing. Usually you only have to prefix somewhere between 3 and 8 characters, so depending on the nature of the data, you can get a significant boost from this. : I also run 38400 rather than 57600, as I don't find my small boxes capable : of handling 57600 properly. Actually, that was derived empirically with : a 14.4 modem at one end, and 28.8 at the other. I might rerun some : experimentation now that I have a pair of 33.3 modems. : In that case, you should see better results if your computer(s) can keep up, because obviously the 14400 bps modem would be a bottleneck. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 13:19:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10384 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA18891 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:19:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: UUCP lock files in Linux Kermit Date: 4 Nov 1996 18:19:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <55lc3h$e99@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <326E73E0.5B6ACDF4@vmrc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <326E73E0.5B6ACDF4@vmrc.org>, Brian Showalter wrote: : How do I tell Kermit where to find UUCP lock files? It keeps looking in : /var/spool/uucp, and my Red Hat Linux keeps the lock files in /var/lock. : I've looked through all the help screens and man pages for a parameter to : set, but can't find anything. : This is getting to be a Frequently Asked Question. Version 5A(190) of C-Kermit uses /usr/spool/uucp by default because that is what Linux originally used. If you rebuild it with -DLINUXFSSTND, it will use /var/lock. Version 6.0, now in the final stages of Beta testing, is built with -DLINUXFSSTND by default, and uses /var/lock by default. C-Kermit 6.0 Beta is in: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/cku192.tar.gz (or .Z) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 13:21:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10774 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA18968 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:21:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Source code of Kermit protocol Date: 4 Nov 1996 18:20:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <55lc5u$ebq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bbc8d4$2d552f80$e72c64c2@ilkka> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bbc8d4$2d552f80$e72c64c2@ilkka>, Ilkka Salmenius wrote: : Is there any Kermit protocol source code available for any language. : (Pascal, C..) : Kermit source code is available in many language for hundreds of platforms at ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/. Be sure to observe the copyright notices. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 13:23:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11110 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA18991 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:23:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit and patching Date: 4 Nov 1996 18:23:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <55lcb1$edo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Nov2.203041.1874@nntp.muohio.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Nov2.203041.1874@nntp.muohio.edu>, James Howard wrote: : I am just a bit confused. When you patch MS-Kermit, is it supposed to be : permanent or does it have to be repatched everytime it is run? : It is repatched in memory, each time it runs. : BTW, how close is v3.15 to release? : No firm date -- as long as it takes to work out the glitches. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 13:24:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11243 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19004 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:24:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Divide Error on MS-Kermit 3.13 Date: 4 Nov 1996 18:24:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 78 Message-ID: <55lccj$ee9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <55khn2$s1u@news.clinet.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <55khn2$s1u@news.clinet.fi>, Timo Koivunen wrote: : : I just changed my old 486-33 8MB motherboard to a Cyrix-P166+ based : 16MB board. The MS-Kermit 3.13 does not start anymore but an error : message 'Divide error' is displayed and the system goes back to DOS. I : did not change the config.sys or autoexec.bat files and I am using the : same hard-disk as before. Everything else works just fine on this : computer. : Please use the current version, 3.14. It should not have this problem. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu directory kermit/archives binary mode file msvibm.zip If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. MS-DOS Kermit 3.15: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu directory kermit/test/bin binary mode file msk315.zip Put the ZIP file in your Kermit directory and unzip. This gives you MSK315.EXE plus some update notes, MSK315.DOC. To test, run MSK315 rather than KERMIT. It uses all the regular MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 initialization files, subdirectories, etc, with no conflicts. For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please purchase the manual. It both an introduction for new users and a reference manual. Sales of the manual are the primary source of funding for the MS-DOS Kermit development and support effort. Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $39.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7721 USA Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Email: kermit@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $39.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $50 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +44 1865 314627 (Oxford, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +61 03 9245 7111 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Asia) +27 (31) 2683111 (Durban office for South Africa) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 13:25:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11437 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19056 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:25:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uk Supplier of Win95 Kermit Date: 4 Nov 1996 18:25:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-ID: <55lce8$eg6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <55kr43$eto@drain.datlog.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <55kr43$eto@drain.datlog.co.uk>, Dave Coles wrote: : Does any one know the name and telephone number of a UK supplier of the : Windows 95 version of kermit. : As yet, I am unaware of any retailers or distributors in countries outside the USA that carry Kermit 95. All known distribution channels are listed on our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Overseas customers may order direct from Columbia University. The single-copy price is $69.00 US, including shipping; payment is by by MasterCard or Visa. Shipping takes anywhere between two and eight weeks, depending on the country. Faster shipping methods can be arranged at extra expense. Send inquiries and orders by email to: kermit-orders@columbia.edu or by fax to: +1 212 662 6442 or: +1 212 663 8202 or by post to: The Kermit Project Columbia University 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7799 USA See our Web page for other payment options, quantity discount schedules, and other types of licenses, including bulk right-to-copy licenses and academic site licenses. You may also order on the Web, using MasterCard or Visa, through the secure Web server at: http://www.browsebooks.com/kermit/index.html If you are inquiring on behalf of a retail establishment, or you would like to become a distributor yourself, you may contact the publisher, Manning Software: Voice: +1 203 629 2078 Fax: +1 203 661 9018 Email: maba@manning.com I'm sorry that we do not yet have a more convenient -- and less expensive -- way to obtain our software outside the USA. I hope that the situation will improve in the future. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 17:04:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA23460 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA24461 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:04:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!defsdoor.demon.co.uk From: andy@defsdoor.demon.co.uk (Andrew Porter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation Over TCP/IP Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 21:58:52 GMT Lines: 48 Message-ID: <847144993.16038.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> References: <846708546.18587.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> <1996Nov1.125303.88297@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: defsdoor.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: defsdoor.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99b.112 Ok - I maybe wasn't very precise in my original posting and although I have had some very helpful E-Mails I still am lost. I know Kermit very well. I can install it on a serial link and configure it and write any scripts that I may need. I don't know Novell. I do know a fair amount of Unix and what I don't know I have a plentiful supply of manual pages and O'Reilly books that have always stood by me. The Novell network we have was an isolated entity. The two SCO Unix (3.2.4) boxes are networked together using SCO TCP/IP. I joined the two networks together so that physically they are now one but packetly (?) they don't know anything about the other. I understand that it is alright to do this. I have MS-Kermit 3.14 and the book, (and the book for the Unix version too - I am a bit of a kermit fan) I would like to use MS-Kermit to connect from a Dos machine, which has connectivity to the Novell server, to the Unix machines and run as a terminal. The Novell machines do not have a net.cfg - they just load ipx.com and then netx.exe and that is it. I do have the netware client disks that have the vlms on and have loaded them on one PC, but cannot access the Novell system or the Unix system when using it. I do not have a driver for the Ethernet board to bind to in net.cfg. Is it possible for me to connect a Dos box using kermit to the Unix box over TCP/IP and miss out the Novell side of it all together? Could my Novell server be using different packet thingy (technical term) to Ethernet_802.2 ? The Novell clients ethernet cards seem to be NE1000 compatbile - does this present a problem ? I am sorry if I am not much help in helping myself but I have taken the responsibilty for this system and there is no documentation on it's setup. This is not a problem for the Unix side of things as I know my way around but I do not know enough about Novell etc.. Any help, advice, suggestions etc.. would be very greatly appreciated - if all else fails i'll run a few RS232 lines to each PC :) Thanks in advance and retreat From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 17:59:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03562 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA25813 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:59:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation Over TCP/IP Date: 4 Nov 1996 22:56:59 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 33 Message-ID: <55lsbr$1h7@bug.rahul.net> References: <846708546.18587.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> <1996Nov1.125303.88297@cc.usu.edu> <847144993.16038.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Andrew Porter (andy@defsdoor.demon.co.uk) wrote: : Ok - I maybe wasn't very precise in my original posting and although I : have had some very helpful E-Mails I still am lost. : The Novell machines do not have a net.cfg - they just load ipx.com and : then netx.exe and that is it. I do have the netware client disks that : have the vlms on and have loaded them on one PC, but cannot access the : Novell system or the Unix system when using it. I do not have a : driver for the Ethernet board to bind to in net.cfg. Oh. Your problem isn't that Kermit won't run on VLM, your problem is that you can't run VLM for your network. Different animal, and possibly one that is not addressed here, but in a Netware group. You _must_ run ODI in order to share the network interface. It will never happen with the old ipx.com. In the days prior to VLM, it was not terribly uncommon to run a second network card, with one driver for Netware on one card, and one for TCP on the other card. Currently, it should not be a problem getting your Netware to play with the VLM set of drivers, and then Kermit will fall happily in to place. Getting Netware to work with VLM is your next task. I don't know if it is possible to use the VLM set without a netware server in place (or not configured to accept VLM). I think not. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 18:35:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09412 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA26769 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:35:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation Over TCP/IP Date: 4 Nov 1996 23:04:40 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 24 Message-ID: <55lsq8$1jp@bug.rahul.net> References: <846708546.18587.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> <1996Nov1.125303.88297@cc.usu.edu> <847144993.16038.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Andrew Porter (andy@defsdoor.demon.co.uk) wrote: : I would like to use MS-Kermit to connect from a Dos machine, which has : connectivity to the Novell server, to the Unix machines and run as a : terminal. : Is it possible for me to connect a Dos box using kermit to the Unix : box over TCP/IP and miss out the Novell side of it all together? Miss out on the Novell side altogether? If you want to run _only_ TCP on these MSDOS boxes, then you should look for the crnwyr packet drivers, available on columbia.edu, along with, or at least near, the MSKermit offerings. If you need the Novell network, then you must play Netware VLM before you can use the same card for both TCP and IPX. After the system is properly configured, your PC will speak directly to the UNIX box via TCP. It will not be 'going through' the Novell File Server for anything. The Novell protocol will be able to share the same card, but there is no packeting or tunnelization that I am aware of. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 18:49:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10651 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA27025 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:49:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Source code of Kermit protocol Date: 4 Nov 1996 18:49:45 -0500 Organization: panix Lines: 17 Message-ID: <55lvep$b2u@panix.com> References: <01bbc8d4$2d552f80$e72c64c2@ilkka> <55lc5u$ebq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com In article <55lc5u$ebq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <01bbc8d4$2d552f80$e72c64c2@ilkka>, >Ilkka Salmenius wrote: >: Is there any Kermit protocol source code available for any language. >: (Pascal, C..) >: >Kermit source code is available in many language for hundreds of platforms >at ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/. Be sure to observe the copyright >notices. It should be noted, of course, that C-Kermit (written in C), is the most actively maintained version for which the source is available. Marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 4 20:52:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26295 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 20:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA00623 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 20:52:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mr.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit and patching Message-ID: <1996Nov4.180415.88426@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Nov 96 18:04:15 MDT References: <1996Nov2.203041.1874@nntp.muohio.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 10 In article <1996Nov2.203041.1874@nntp.muohio.edu>, howardjp@ham.muohio.edu (James Howard) writes: > I am just a bit confused. When you patch MS-Kermit, is it supposed to be > permanent or does it have to be repatched everytime it is run? BTW, how > close is v3.15 to release? ---------- Patching never changes files. Thus it is always done to the image in memory, during startup. MSK 3.15 is pretty close. The last dangling thread known here is a Cyrillic translation table yet to be completed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 5 02:20:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA13940 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 02:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA09045 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 02:20:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!super.zippo.com!zdc!szdc!news From: Thomas Harrington Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: GUI kermit version Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 10:52:40 -0800 Organization: Las Vegas-Clark County Library District Lines: 5 Message-ID: <327E3B78.4C13@lvccld.lib.nv.us> Reply-To: tomh@lvccld.lib.nv.us Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Any updates on how the GUI version of Kermit 95 is going? Tom Harrington Las Vegas-Clark County Library District tomh@lvccld.lib.nv.us From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 5 05:54:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA09384 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 05:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA14171 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 05:54:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.corp.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nstn.ca!bignews.cycor.ca!opentext.com!news.mks.com!usenet From: davidf@worf.mks.com (David J. Fiander) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 dialer for "USR Worldport 14.4 fax modem"? Date: 04 Nov 1996 20:47:37 -0500 Organization: Mortice Kern Systems, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: worf.mks.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 ATI6 reports that this is some sort of custom thing built for TI to put into their "Travelmate" laptops. It's not quite a sportster, since it doesn't have all of the & commands. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 5 10:01:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20523 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA09380 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:01:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: GUI kermit version Date: 5 Nov 1996 15:01:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <55nkri$d71@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <327E3B78.4C13@lvccld.lib.nv.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <327E3B78.4C13@lvccld.lib.nv.us>, Thomas Harrington wrote: : Any updates on how the GUI version of Kermit 95 is going? : It's coming along very nicely, but obviously it is taking longer than we expected. It is a LOT of work. I hope that within about a month we'll be able to start posting previews, screen shots, etc, on our Web page, and shortly after that begin a testing program among our registered users, but we're not in a position yet to commit to any firm dates. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 5 10:05:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21087 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:05:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA09527 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:05:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 dialer for "USR Worldport 14.4 fax modem"? Date: 5 Nov 1996 15:05:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <55nl3c$dfd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , David J. Fiander wrote: : ATI6 reports that this is some sort of custom thing built for TI : to put into their "Travelmate" laptops. It's not quite a : sportster, since it doesn't have all of the & commands. : You can send us a copy of the manual (or command summary) and we'll make one for you, or you can do it yourself (and send it in so others can use it too). MS-DOS Kermit scripts are designed to be easily adapted to new kinds of modems. In this case, you would probably start with the Sportster script (SPORT.SCR) and, manual in hand, go through the commands and make the needed changes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 5 14:20:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05929 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA16112 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:20:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!ocean.fb12.tu-berlin.de!spamcancel!cyberspam From: Str8.Man@Nice.Folks.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <55k14l$rd9@juliana.sprynet.com> Control: cancel <55k14l$rd9@juliana.sprynet.com> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 19:11:03 +1 Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 4 Approved: hw@atlantic.fb12.tu-berlin.de Message-ID: References: <55k14l$rd9@juliana.sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ocean.fb12.tu-berlin.de X-Cancelled-By: hw@atlantic.FB12.TU-Berlin.DE X-No-Archive: Yes EMP/ECP spam cancelled by hw@atlantic.fb12.tu-berlin.de. The Breidbart index was 676. See report "LOCATOR" in news.admin.net-abuse.announce. Subject was: @@@>> HOT COLLEGE BI-MALES!!! >PRIVATE< 1-900-825-6000 xt 9794. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 5 23:08:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA27032 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA28902 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:08:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Mark Murphy Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 Host Mode problem Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 21:21:07 -0500 Organization: Interactive Systems, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <327FF613.2EF8@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vie-va27-36.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Nov 05 8:12:54 PM CST 1996 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) My K95 1.1.7 host mode dial-in server works fine with one exception: if a user disconnects by other than the normal logout menu option (e.g., turns off his modem, line drops, etc.), the K95 server keeps the connection open. Even worse, if another user then dials in he gets connected to the previous user's session. Shouldn't a carrier drop force a session logout/disconnect? From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 5 23:45:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02379 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA29787 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:45:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!mcrcim.mcgill.edu!news.mcgill.ca!calvin.risq.qc.ca!sunqbc.risq.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntp.inet.fi!news.ktt.fi!newsmaster From: Kari Heikkila Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Any Kermit source code avalable for VB? Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:28:18 +0200 Organization: Nordberg-Lokomo Lines: 7 Message-ID: <32706C12.F5A@Nordberg.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: norkahe.fi.nordberg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Hi there, Is there any Kermit protocol source code available for Visual Basic. Thanks in advance Kari From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 6 07:17:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16795 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 07:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA03217 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 07:17:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!super.zippo.com!zdc!szdc!news From: Thomas Harrington Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: TEST TEST TEST -- Please Ignore Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 22:44:14 -0800 Organization: Zippo Lines: 1 Message-ID: <328033BE.5972@lvccld.lib.nv.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) see subject From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 6 10:41:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18875 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA09620 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:40:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any Kermit source code avalable for VB? Date: 6 Nov 1996 15:40:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 7 Message-ID: <55qbhk$p88@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32706C12.F5A@nordberg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32706C12.F5A@nordberg.com>, Kari Heikkila wrote: : Is there any Kermit protocol source code available for Visual Basic. : No. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 6 10:48:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20200 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA09809 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:48:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 Host Mode problem Date: 6 Nov 1996 15:48:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <55qbvv$pff@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <327FF613.2EF8@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <327FF613.2EF8@ix.netcom.com>, Mark Murphy wrote: : My K95 1.1.7 host mode dial-in server works fine with one exception: : if a user disconnects by other than the normal logout menu : option (e.g., turns off his modem, line drops, etc.), the K95 server : keeps the connection open. Even worse, if another user then dials in : he gets connected to the previous user's session. : : Shouldn't a carrier drop force a session logout/disconnect? : It should, if (a) the modem really does turn off its Carrier Detect signal when the connection drops (this is a modem configuration option, and many modems are configured at the factory NOT to do this); (b) the cable and connectors convey the carrier signal; and (c) Kermit has not been told to "set carrier-watch off". We will check to ensure that Kermit 95 behaves properly under these conditions. However, if all these conditions are not met, Kermit 95 has no way of knowing that the connection has dropped. But note that you can set an inactivity timeout in the host-mode configuration, which results in automatic logout if no characters arrive within the specified amount of time, which is 1800 seconds (30 minutes) by default. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 6 14:30:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04974 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:30:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA15348 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:30:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!defsdoor.demon.co.uk From: andy@defsdoor.demon.co.uk (Andrew Porter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation Over TCP/IP Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 19:25:32 GMT Lines: 14 Message-ID: <847308586.21304.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> References: <846708546.18587.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> <1996Nov1.125303.88297@cc.usu.edu> <847144993.16038.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> <55lsq8$1jp@bug.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: defsdoor.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: defsdoor.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99b.112 On 4 Nov 1996 23:04:40 GMT, Clarence Dold wrote: >Miss out on the Novell side altogether? >If you want to run _only_ TCP on these MSDOS boxes, then you should look >for the crnwyr packet drivers, available on columbia.edu, along with, or at >least near, the MSKermit offerings. >--- >Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. I couldn't find this - where is it exactly ? From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 6 15:58:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27038 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 15:58:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA18162 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 15:58:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Terminal Emulation Over TCP/IP Date: 6 Nov 1996 20:58:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <55qu5c$7rp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <846708546.18587.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> <847144993.16038.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> <55lsq8$1jp@bug.rahul.net> <847308586.21304.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <847308586.21304.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk>, Andrew Porter wrote: : On 4 Nov 1996 23:04:40 GMT, Clarence Dold wrote: : >Miss out on the Novell side altogether? : >If you want to run _only_ TCP on these MSDOS boxes, then you should look : >for the crnwyr packet drivers, available on columbia.edu, along with, or at : >least near, the MSKermit offerings. : : I couldn't find this - where is it exactly ? : ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/packet-drivers/*.* - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 6 16:20:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02886 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18816 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:20:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: SOLOMON Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS kermit under windows 95 with a windows only USR Sportster Winmodem Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 16:14:30 -0600 Organization: adl data systems inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <32810DC6.4F38@prodigy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.237.109.17 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) CC: sol@mail.adldata.com I upgraded to a 28.8 US robotics windows only sportster winmodem. Using MS Kermit 3.14 under windows 95, I issue Connect at the kermit prompt and get the same character repeating continuously. The repeating character changes when different keyboard keys are pressed. Set port com3 results in the 'unknown hardware for port, using BIOS3' message. The info in the '22 KERMIT UNDER WINDOWS CAN'T FIND MY PORT' faq didn't help. Thank you Sol Gongola ADL Data Systems Inc sol@mail.adldata.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 6 16:49:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10099 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:49:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA19448 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:49:18 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!xmission!wilbur.ohww.norman.ok.us!news.msfc.nasa.gov!mail.nemonet.com!sbolting From: sbolting@nemonet.com (Stephen Boltinghouse) Subject: Just try this, it will work Newsgroups: alt.fan.kenya-moore,alt.culture.kerala,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,linux.dev.kernel,finet.freenet.keskustelu,utu.yok.keskustelu,alt.mcdonalds.ketchup,alt.fan.kevin-darcy,alt.fan.kevin-mitnick,alt.fan.kevin-walsh,alt.security.keydist,co.boulder.kgnu,comp.soft-sys.khoros,alt.games.ki,de.sci.ki.discussion,alt.fan.kia-mennie,alt.exploding.kibo,alt.religion.kibology,alt.religion.kibology.second-coming,finet.freenet.kidlink.kidcafe,alt.tv.kids-in-hall Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 18:44:01 GMT Message-ID: <657.051093963906@news.nemonet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.176.43 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 X-Software: Multipost 1.1 Lines: 143 Xref: news.columbia.edu alt.culture.kerala:22559 comp.protocols.kerberos:7836 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6129 finet.freenet.keskustelu:2012 comp.soft-sys.khoros:12948 alt.games.ki:3947 alt.fan.kia-mennie:316 alt.religion.kibology:138257 finet.freenet.kidlink.kidcafe:372 alt.tv.kids-in-hall:27209 Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life. The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months. think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more. That's ... because it WORKS ! So I thought, all those new users might make it work. And I decided to try it out, a few months ago. Besides, whats $5.00, I spend more than that in the morning on my way to work on coffee and cigs for the day. So I sent in my money and posted. Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from AOL, Netcom, etc. they will join in and make it work for you. Well, two weeks later, I began recieving bucks in the mail! I couldn't believe it! Not just a little, I mean big bucks! At first only a few hundred dollars, then a week later, a couple of thousand, then BOOM. By the end of the fourth week, I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. It came from all over the world. And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had enough left over for a nice vacation for me and my family. Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well. Markus Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks. Dave Manning claims he made $53,664 in the same amount of time. Dan Shepstone says it was only $17,000 for him. Do I know these folks? No, but when I read how they say they did it, it made sense to me. Enough sense that I'm taking a similar chance with $5 of my own bucks. Not a big chance, I admit--but one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone ever invests in this system. Period. That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan invested, yet their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe, legal, completely legitimate way. Here's how it works in 3 easy steps: STEP 1. Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces of paper along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST." (In this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're paying for a legitimate service.) Fold a $1 bill, money order, or bank note inside each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail to the following five addresses: 1- Fern Suarez Mallorca 112 Hato Rey, P.R., USA, 00917 2- Philippe 2104 De Mexico Chomedey, Laval Quebec, Canada H7M 3C6 3- Natalie Jansen Lancveldlaan 18 5671 CN Nuenen Holland 4- Chad Collier 2785 Cold Springs Rd. #49 Placerville, CA 95667 5- Steve Boltinghouse 1009 Bird St. Hannibal, MO 63401 STEP 2. Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on. Put your name in as the fifth one on the list. STEP 3. Post the article to at least 250 newsgroups. There are at least 19000 newsgroups at any given moment in time. Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can. Remember the more groups you post to, the more people will see your article and send you cash! STEP 4. You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the Internet is new and huge. There is no way you can lose. Now here is how and why this system works: Out of every block of 250 posts I made, I got back 5 responses. Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or money orders, but real cash with your name at #5. Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 250 additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings. On average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at #4,....$50.00 in your pocket! Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500. They make 250 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000 postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash! Finally, 5,000 people make 250 postings each with your name at #1 and you get a return of $60,000 before your name drops off the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 250 postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000. From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list, you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again. The end result depends on you. You must follow through and repost this article everywhere you can think of. The more postings you make, the more cash ends up in your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!! So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper. So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is playing fairly. You know where your name should be. If you're really not sure or still think this can't be for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see what happens. REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS! GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH! *** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10,000! TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!! :o) !!!!!!!!!! From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 6 16:55:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11118 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA19620 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:55:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS kermit under windows 95 with a windows only USR Sportster Winmodem Date: 6 Nov 1996 21:55:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <55r1g2$9tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32810DC6.4F38@prodigy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32810DC6.4F38@prodigy.net>, SOLOMON wrote: : I upgraded to a 28.8 US robotics windows only sportster winmodem. : I think you might come to conclude that this was not an upgrade at all. A Winmodem isn't a real modem -- it only works in Windows, with Windows applications, because the real work of the modem is done by Windows drivers on your PC. : Using MS Kermit 3.14 under windows 95, I issue Connect at the : kermit prompt and get the same character repeating continuously. : The repeating character changes when different keyboard keys are : pressed. : You can't use MS-DOS Kermit with a Winmodem. Nor with an RPI modem. Nor with any other kind of "controllerless" modem; only with real modems. : Set port com3 results in the 'unknown hardware for port, : using BIOS3' message. The info in the '22 KERMIT UNDER WINDOWS : CAN'T FIND MY PORT' faq didn't help. : We'll have to update that section. In the meantime, read the section on RPI modems. It applies to Winmodems too. Kermit 95, as a native Windows 95 application, should work fine with your Winmodem. More info at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 6 18:54:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04154 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA22594 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:54:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!ocean.fb12.tu-berlin.de!spamcancel!cyberspam From: sbolting@nemonet.com (Stephen Boltinghouse) Newsgroups: alt.fan.kenya-moore,alt.culture.kerala,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,linux.dev.kernel,finet.freenet.keskustelu,utu.yok.keskustelu,alt.mcdonalds.ketchup,alt.fan.kevin-darcy,alt.fan.kevin-mitnick,alt.fan.kevin-walsh,alt.security.keydist,co.boulder.kgnu,comp.soft-sys.khoros,alt.games.ki,de.sci.ki.discussion,alt.fan.kia-mennie,alt.exploding.kibo,alt.religion.kibology,alt.religion.kibology.second-coming,finet.freenet.kidlink.kidcafe,alt.tv.kids-in-hall Subject: cmsg cancel <657.051093963906@news.nemonet.com> Message-ID: Control: cancel <657.051093963906@news.nemonet.com> Approved: hw@atlantic.fb12.tu-berlin.de References: <657.051093963906@news.nemonet.com> Lines: 5 Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 00:51:37 +1 X-Cancelled-By: hw@atlantic.FB12.TU-Berlin.DE X-No-Archive: Yes MMF chain letter spam cancelled by hw@atlantic.fb12.tu-berlin.de . This is part of an ongoing spam with huge Breidbart indices. See my report(s) "S.Boltinghouse" in news.admin.net-abuse.announce or in de.admin.news.net-abuse.announce. Subject was: Just try this, it will work. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 7 11:22:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13651 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA06563 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:22:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mira.net.au!news.vbc.net!vbcnet-west!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS kermit under windows 95 with a windows only USR Sportster Winmodem Date: 7 Nov 1996 16:17:58 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 32 Message-ID: <55t23m$cjt@samba.rahul.net> References: <32810DC6.4F38@prodigy.net> <55r1g2$9tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <32810DC6.4F38@prodigy.net>, SOLOMON wrote: : : I upgraded to a 28.8 US robotics windows only sportster winmodem. : : : I think you might come to conclude that this was not an upgrade at all. : A Winmodem isn't a real modem -- it only works in Windows, with Windows : applications, because the real work of the modem is done by Windows drivers : on your PC. That's a little harsh, Frank. (but only a little) His modem will work with MSKermit, but there is no error correction. As long as he has perfectly clean lines, the modem will be okay, but without compression. Unfortunately, there are no perfectly clean lines. I don't believe it will be possible to have a reliable connection above 2400 baud. But the modem should work. Solomon isn't getting as far as he should, but no matter. The modem is junk (oops, that's a little harsh). Take it back, throw it away, whatever, get a real 28.8 modem. "WinModem" sounds like an improvement over a standard modem, but it does clearly note Windows-only on the box, usually. Look for one that says "True V.42" on the box. I think that's the buzzword. It's easy if you compare two boxes from the same vendor, one for $149, and the other for $169, when the boxes and descriptions are almost identical. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 7 12:21:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26873 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA08114 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:21:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS kermit under windows 95 with a windows only USR Sportster Winmodem Date: 7 Nov 1996 17:21:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <55t5qb$71q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32810DC6.4F38@prodigy.net> <55r1g2$9tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <55t23m$cjt@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <55t23m$cjt@samba.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : In article <32810DC6.4F38@prodigy.net>, SOLOMON : : wrote: : : : I upgraded to a 28.8 US robotics windows only sportster winmodem. : : : : : I think you might come to conclude that this was not an upgrade at all. : : A Winmodem isn't a real modem -- it only works in Windows, with Windows : : applications, because the real work of the modem is done by Windows drivers : : on your PC. : : That's a little harsh, Frank. (but only a little) : : His modem will work with MSKermit, but there is no error correction. : As long as he has perfectly clean lines, the modem will be okay, but : without compression. : Have you tried it? This would be true of an RPI modem, but a Winmodem is quite different. With an RPI modem, you need special Windows-only drivers to provide the error correction and data compression. Without the drivers, you can still use the modem without these features, as noted in our FAQ. But with a Winmodem, you need Windows-only drivers (as far as I know, these are available only for Windows 3.1 and Windows 95, but NOT Windows NT) to use the modem at all. Without these drivers, it is simply not a modem. The following posting appeared on comp.dcom.modems on August 7, 1996, in response to a similar query: "While the Winmodem does have some advantages over modems, this device and others like it are generally inferior to a real and true modem. The Winmodem isn't really a modem, it's just a DSP and a few other componants on a card. It doesn't become a modem until you load up the Windows drivers for it. First off this means that you're totally and completely stuck with Windows software. No support for DOS in any way (not even through a DOS session in Windows), OS/2, Linux, or even WinNT. Furthermore it uses your computer CPU for some tasks normally handled by a processor in the modem. This drains some CPU power and memory from your computer, which can slow applications down (although just how much it'll slow things down depends on a number of factors)." We have verified this to be true locally. The Winmodem does NOT work with MS-DOS Kermit, neither in DOS, nor in a DOS window of Windows. It does work, however, with Kermit 95 on Windows 95 (not NT) when the Winmodem driver is properly installed. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 7 14:51:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02445 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA11761 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:51:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!malgudi.oar.net!news.muohio.edu!nidhogg.ham.muohio.edu!howardjp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit and patching Message-ID: <1996Nov7.143918.1939@nntp.muohio.edu> From: howardjp@ham.muohio.edu (James Howard) Date: 7 Nov 96 14:39:18 -0500 References: <1996Nov2.203041.1874@nntp.muohio.edu> <1996Nov4.180415.88426@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nidhogg.ham.muohio.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 23 Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <1996Nov2.203041.1874@nntp.muohio.edu>, howardjp@ham.muohio.edu (James Howard) writes: : > I am just a bit confused. When you patch MS-Kermit, is it supposed to be : > permanent or does it have to be repatched everytime it is run? BTW, how : > close is v3.15 to release? : ---------- : Patching never changes files. Thus it is always done to the image : in memory, during startup. : MSK 3.15 is pretty close. The last dangling thread known here is : a Cyrillic translation table yet to be completed. : Joe D. I d/led the latest beta test a few weeks ago and find what looked like a bug and I mailed it to kermit@columbia.edu. I never got a response, is that normal or should I have gotten some sort of acknowledgement? -- Jamie ******************************************************************************** James Howard howardjp@muohio.edu Miami University, Ohio http://www.ham.muohio.edu/~howardjp ******************************************************************************** Matter cannot be created or destroyed, nor can it be returned without a receipt. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 7 15:26:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08676 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12613 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 15:26:18 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit and patching Date: 7 Nov 1996 20:25:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <55tgki$ecf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Nov2.203041.1874@nntp.muohio.edu> <1996Nov4.180415.88426@cc.usu.edu> <1996Nov7.143918.1939@nntp.muohio.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Nov7.143918.1939@nntp.muohio.edu>, James Howard wrote: : I d/led the latest beta test a few weeks ago and find what looked like a : bug and I mailed it to kermit@columbia.edu. I never got a response, is : that normal or should I have gotten some sort of acknowledgement? : We try to respond to every message. Could you please resend? Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 7 20:52:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08418 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 20:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25702 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 20:52:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS kermit under windows 95 with a windows only USR Sportster Winmodem Message-ID: <1996Nov7.181739.88652@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Nov 96 18:17:39 MDT References: <32810DC6.4F38@prodigy.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 In article <32810DC6.4F38@prodigy.net>, SOLOMON writes: > I upgraded to a 28.8 US robotics windows only sportster winmodem. > Using MS Kermit 3.14 under windows 95, I issue Connect at the > kermit prompt and get the same character repeating continuously. > The repeating character changes when different keyboard keys are > pressed. > > Set port com3 results in the 'unknown hardware for port, > using BIOS3' message. The info in the '22 KERMIT UNDER WINDOWS > CAN'T FIND MY PORT' faq didn't help. > > Thank you > Sol Gongola > ADL Data Systems Inc > sol@mail.adldata.com --------------- Windows simulates serial ports to programs such as MS-DOS Kermit. That means you spend time with the Windows Resource Kit to configure Win95 to your liking. And double check that no other task is using the same serial port (such as a fax program or even the mouse). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 7 23:25:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA28434 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA04431 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:25:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!news From: jbbaker@erols.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Support for USR Sportster ISDN 128K Adapter? Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 11:22:57 -0500 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <32835E61.442D@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lee-as1s28.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) Does the Kermit 95 Dialer Version 1.1.7 support the USR Sportster ISDN 128K Adapter for Windows 95? If so, what is the upgrade/configuration procedure? Thanks in advance! Please send response to: jbaker@ifusion.com John Baker IFusion Com Vienna, VA From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 8 00:47:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11573 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 00:47:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA06644 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 00:47:45 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news-feed.iguide.com!delphi.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news-in.ConnActivity.com!fcshome!fredex From: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us Subject: Re: Any Kermit source code avalable for VB? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Organization: Absolutely None! Message-ID: References: <32706C12.F5A@nordberg.com> <55qbhk$p88@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 18:37:20 GMT Lines: 30 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > In article <32706C12.F5A@nordberg.com>, > Kari Heikkila wrote: > : Is there any Kermit protocol source code available for Visual Basic. > : > No. > - Frank I'm no VB guru, but I'll step in here anyway. In addition to the sources for C-Kermit, which are avaialable, there was a series of articles in Dr. Dobbs Journal a year or so ago by someone named (I think) Keintzle (my apologies to the author if I got it wrong... it's from memory) in which he presents his own implementation of a Kermit protocol engine. He claims he's done some fine-tuning of Kermit's sliding window retry-the-packet logic that can, under less than optimum conditions, be a big performance win. I've actually downloaded his sources but haven't really done anything with them, so I can't comment on the effectiveness of his implementation. It's in C, so I don't know if there's any reasonable way to access it from VB. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- .---- Fred Smith / Office: fred@computrition.com ( /__ ,__. __ __ / __ : / 508-663-2524 / / / /__) / / /__) .+' Home: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us / / (__ (___ (__(_ (___ / :__ 617-438-5471 -------------------------------- Jude 1:24,25 --------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 8 10:46:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18373 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA10401 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:46:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Support for USR Sportster ISDN 128K Adapter? Date: 8 Nov 1996 15:46:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <55vkjt$l7f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32835E61.442D@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32835E61.442D@erols.com>, wrote: : Does the Kermit 95 Dialer Version 1.1.7 support : the USR Sportster ISDN 128K Adapter for Windows 95? : If so, what is the upgrade/configuration procedure? : Kermit 95 does not support any particular hardware on the hardware level. If the ISDN adapter comes with a driver that makes it look like a PC COM port, then Kermit supports it to the extent that you can CONNECT to it and type commands at it to make it dial, etc. If, in addition, it has a Hayes- like user interface (AT commands), then the DIAL command can be made to work with it. If the AT commands are compatible with the Courier or Sportster, then the DIAL command should work with it already. In case its user interface is different from the Courier or Sportster, then if you would like to send us a copy of the manual or command summary, we will add direct support for it into the DIAL command, or make a user-defined modem type for it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 8 18:10:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA18917 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 18:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA22190 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 18:10:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!ocean.fb12.tu-berlin.de!spamcancel!cyberspam From: sbolting@nemonet.com (Stephen Boltinghouse) Newsgroups: alt.martial-arts.karate.shotokan,alt.flame.karen.kolling.fascist.fascist.fascist,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.fan.karla-homolka,alt.culture.karnataka,alt.autos.karting,alt.current-events.kashmir,no.uninett.katalog,alt.fan.kate-moss,alt.fan.katerena-eiermann,alt.fan.katerena.eiermann,sfnet.tietoliikenne.katko,no.alt.katter,finet.markkinat.kaupalliset,alt.fan.kay-dekker,alt.birdlung.kayak-repair,alt.fan.keanu-reeves,alt.religion.keithians,ais.rec.kenduskeag,alt.fan.kent-montana,alt.bonehead.kent-paul-dolan,soc.culture.kenya,alt.fan.kenya-moore,alt.culture.kerala,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,linux.dev.kernel,finet.freenet.keskustelu,utu.yok.keskustelu,alt.mcdonalds.ketchup,alt.fan.kevin-darcy,alt.fan.kevin-mitnick,alt.fan.kevin-walsh,alt.security.keydist,co.boulder.kgnu,comp.soft-sys.khoros,alt.games.ki,de.sci.ki.discussion,alt.fan.kia-mennie,alt.exploding.kibo,alt.religion.kibology,alt.religion.kibology.second-coming,alt.! support.kidney-failure Subject: cmsg cancel <957.479933917057@news.nemonet.com> Message-ID: Control: cancel <957.479933917057@news.nemonet.com> Approved: hw@atlantic.fb12.tu-berlin.de References: <957.479933917057@news.nemonet.com> Lines: 3 Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 23:29:35 +1 X-Cancelled-By: hw@atlantic.FB12.TU-Berlin.DE X-No-Archive: Yes MMF chain letter cancelled by hw@atlantic.fb12.tu-berlin.de . Ongoing MMF spam from Stephen Boltinghouse. Subject was: Just try this, it will work. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 8 20:34:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13166 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 20:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25738 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 20:34:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!paperboy.wellfleet.com!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.lava.net!really From: really@lava.net (Geckos'R'Us) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: BUG REPORT: MSK315 Beta 8 vs. Beta 7 - PROMPT Date: 9 Nov 1996 01:22:51 GMT Organization: LavaNet, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <560mdb$l71@mochi.lava.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: malasada.lava.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Aloha, We use the MS-DOS version of Kermit for our TCP/IP connectivity to various unix/linux/nt systems. I grabbed the mid-Sept Beta-8 for MSKermit 3.15 and noticed a cosmetic bug in the SET PROMPT command. In our k_XXXX.ini kermit scripts for the various TCP/IP connections, we set our KERMIT Prompt like this: asg z2 { SPERRY DELL MROCS SAACONS SSSC OTHER } SET PROMPT {\13\10\m(z2)\13\10\v(space) \v(dir) \254 -PFO-KERMIT- } In Beta 7, this yields the correct prompt like this: (blankline) SPERRY DELL MROCS SAACONS SSSC OTHER 659292160 C:\HIGUARD * -PFO-KERMIT- In Beta 8, however, the escaped \xxx codes don't work, and the prompt is: \13\10SPERRY DELL MROCS SAACONS SSSC OTHER \13\10659292160 C:\HIGUARD \254 -PFO-KERMIT- Bob Carroll, really@lava.net From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 9 11:27:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24134 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 1996 11:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA06661 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Nov 1996 11:27:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!malgudi.oar.net!news.muohio.edu!nidhogg.ham.muohio.edu!howardjp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: GUI kermit version Message-ID: <1996Nov8.162600.1965@nntp.muohio.edu> From: howardjp@ham.muohio.edu (James Howard) Date: 8 Nov 96 16:26:00 -0500 References: <327E3B78.4C13@lvccld.lib.nv.us> <55nkri$d71@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nidhogg.ham.muohio.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 26 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <327E3B78.4C13@lvccld.lib.nv.us>, : Thomas Harrington wrote: : : Any updates on how the GUI version of Kermit 95 is going? : : : It's coming along very nicely, but obviously it is taking longer than : we expected. It is a LOT of work. I hope that within about a month : we'll be able to start posting previews, screen shots, etc, on our : Web page, and shortly after that begin a testing program among our : registered users, but we're not in a position yet to commit to any firm : dates. : - Frank When it is done, will it be backported to Win3.1? -- Jamie ******************************************************************************** James Howard howardjp@muohio.edu Miami University, Ohio http://www.ham.muohio.edu/~howardjp ******************************************************************************** Hand, n.: A singular instrument worn at the end of a human arm and commonly thrust into somebody's pocket. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 9 11:38:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27781 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 1996 11:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA06927 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Nov 1996 11:38:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: GUI kermit version Date: 9 Nov 1996 16:38:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <562c1c$t3v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <327E3B78.4C13@lvccld.lib.nv.us> <55nkri$d71@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1996Nov8.162600.1965@nntp.muohio.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Nov8.162600.1965@nntp.muohio.edu>, James Howard wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : In article <327E3B78.4C13@lvccld.lib.nv.us>, : : Thomas Harrington wrote: : : : Any updates on how the GUI version of Kermit 95 is going? : : : : : It's coming along very nicely, but obviously it is taking longer than : : we expected. It is a LOT of work. I hope that within about a month : : we'll be able to start posting previews, screen shots, etc, on our : : Web page, and shortly after that begin a testing program among our : : registered users, but we're not in a position yet to commit to any firm : : dates. : : When it is done, will it be backported to Win3.1? : No. Kermit 95 is a 32-bit, protected mode, multithread application. It can't run in Windows 3.x, not even under Win32s, which does not support mulitple threads. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 9 17:54:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03374 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 1996 17:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA15639 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Nov 1996 17:54:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit and patching Message-ID: <1996Nov9.151115.88762@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Nov 96 15:11:14 MDT References: <1996Nov2.203041.1874@nntp.muohio.edu> <1996Nov7.143918.1939@nntp.muohio.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 In article <1996Nov7.143918.1939@nntp.muohio.edu>, howardjp@ham.muohio.edu (James Howard) writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > : In article <1996Nov2.203041.1874@nntp.muohio.edu>, howardjp@ham.muohio.edu (James Howard) writes: > : > I am just a bit confused. When you patch MS-Kermit, is it supposed to be > : > permanent or does it have to be repatched everytime it is run? BTW, how > : > close is v3.15 to release? > : ---------- > : Patching never changes files. Thus it is always done to the image > : in memory, during startup. > : MSK 3.15 is pretty close. The last dangling thread known here is > : a Cyrillic translation table yet to be completed. > : Joe D. > > I d/led the latest beta test a few weeks ago and find what looked like a > bug and I mailed it to kermit@columbia.edu. I never got a response, is > that normal or should I have gotten some sort of acknowledgement? --------- Your report could have gotten lost in the shuffle, or the response could have bounced from a mailer problem, the real reason is unknown at this time. So perhaps you could try yet again, thanks. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 9 21:46:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA09454 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 1996 21:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA21331 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Nov 1996 21:46:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.net.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit as a telnet SERVER? Date: 10 Nov 1996 13:07:44 +1030 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 21 Message-ID: <563f5o$f5o@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <55s23i$epe@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Arthur Marsh (arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au) wrote: : How difficult would it be to make C-Kermit act as a telnet server, so that : one could do something like: : telnet2 stream tcp nowait bbs /opt/bin/kermit -y /home/bbs/.kermrc kermit : in /etc/inetd.conf, and have C-Kermit run a script, negotiating telnet options : with the calling telnet? I've done some more experimenting following some email from Frank da Cruz, and haven't yet achieved what I want, but understand the issues a little better. The above will start a kermit session in the desired fashion, but doesn't negotiate telnet parameters, even with the latest ckcnet.c 6.0.073 and the TELOPT DO command being on the first line of the .kermrc file. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 10 02:17:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA19580 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 02:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA27912 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 02:17:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news1.sunbelt.net!dial-12 From: acoder@infoave.net (ACoder) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: "100 Shateware Links Page" (Free Shareware Links) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 96 05:50:52 GMT Organization: Info Avenue INTERNET Access Lines: 3 Message-ID: <563qi8$6l6@news1.sunbelt.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-12.r02.tnsmvl.infoave.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.programmer.misc:47945 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6144 comp.protocols.misc:6092 "100 Shateware Links Page" (Free Shareware Links) 100 of the most current and active shareware links on the net. Go to: http://www.mamsofco.com/100sl From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 10 09:43:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25994 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 09:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA28134 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 09:42:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.net.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit as a telnet SERVER? Date: 7 Nov 1996 17:41:46 +1030 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 12 Message-ID: <55s23i$epe@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] How difficult would it be to make C-Kermit act as a telnet server, so that one could do something like: telnet2 stream tcp nowait bbs /opt/bin/kermit -y /home/bbs/.kermrc kermit in /etc/inetd.conf, and have C-Kermit run a script, negotiating telnet options with the calling telnet? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 10 10:50:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04894 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 10:50:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA29776 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 10:50:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit as a telnet SERVER? Date: 10 Nov 1996 15:50:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <564tj9$9m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <55s23i$epe@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <55s23i$epe@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: : How difficult would it be to make C-Kermit act as a telnet server, so that : one could do something like: : : telnet2 stream tcp nowait bbs - : /opt/bin/kermit -y /home/bbs/.kermrc kermit : : in /etc/inetd.conf, and have C-Kermit run a script, negotiating telnet : options with the calling telnet? : While version 6.0 of C-Kermit (the VMS and UNIX versions) can accept incoming TCP/IP connections itself, we have not yet worked out the details for running it under inetd. That will come in a future release. This item has relatively high priority. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 10 12:45:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23401 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 12:45:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02698 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 12:45:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!cyberspam!usenet Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.programmer.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: acoder@infoave.net (ACoder) Date: 10 Nov 1996 12:15:57 EST Control: cancel <563qi8$6l6@news1.sunbelt.net> Subject: cmsg cancel <563qi8$6l6@news1.sunbelt.net> no reply ignore Message-ID: X-Cancelled-By: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu X-No-Archive: Yes Lines: 3 Spam cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was "100 Shateware Links Page" (Free Shareware Links) From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 10 18:51:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23441 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA11465 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:51:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit as a telnet SERVER? Date: 10 Nov 1996 23:50:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <565pok$hah@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <55s23i$epe@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <55s23i$epe@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: : How difficult would it be to make C-Kermit act as a telnet server, so that : one could do something like: : : telnet2 stream tcp nowait bbs /opt/bin/kermit -y /home/bbs/.kermrc kermit : : in /etc/inetd.conf, and have C-Kermit run a script, negotiating telnet options : with the calling telnet? The only problem with this scenario is that Kermit is not a Telnet Daemon. Nor would you want it to be. If what you want is a telnet connection that only allows the user to access Kermit, then the appropriate method for doing that is to assign Kermit as your shell process for the Telnet connection. The primary benefit of using Kermit as a dedicated server under inetd is that you don't have the overhead of the telnetd slowing down the file transfer process. This is an appropriate area for discussion though. What interface should a Kermit server provide when executing under inetd? Should it look like the Kermit command prompt? Or more like SMTP, or FTP, ...? Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 10 19:32:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00935 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 19:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA12513 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 19:32:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 6.0 Release Candidate 1 Date: 11 Nov 1996 00:31:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 150 Message-ID: <565s5u$ik9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is to announce Release Candidate 1 of C-Kermit 6.0.192 for UNIX, VMS, AOS/VS, OS-9, Plan 9, hopefully to be joined soon by several other operating systems. The previous general release of C-Kermit was 5A(190) in October 1994. The previous 6.0 Beta test, 6.0.192 Beta.030, was announced on October 8, 1996. The changes since version 5A(190) are listed in the accumulated Beta announcements in the MAIL.TXT file (see below). The changes since Beta.030 are mainly just to get the code to build successfully on every conceivable platform and affect mainly #ifdefs, casts, prototypes, makefile entries and/or other build procedures, plus a few bug fixes. Highlights include: . New support for Plan 9 from Bell Labs (serial only, for now). . New support for Digital UNIX 4.0. . New support for BeOS DR8. . Work around HP-UX 10.10 and 10.20 fatal curses bug. . IRIX 6.0 fixes & improvements. . Commodore Amiga fixes & improvements. . RLOGIN protocol fixes. . Make new VMS high serial speeds actually work. . Various problems with making a second telnet connection fixed. . VMS-to-VMS labeled-mode transfers fixed. . Telnet negotiations are now even more defensive against buggy partners. . VMS server's REMOTE DIRECTORY (etc) listings were missing CR's - fixed. . Format and accuracy of REMOTE DIRECTORY listings improved. . Fixed VMS "if directory disk1:[foo]blah.dir;1". . Fixed VMS "send disk1:[foo]blah.dir;1". . Improved SET LINE error messages for VMS. . Fixed bug in multiline GET command parsing. . Fixed several bugs in "OK to exit?" parsing (as well as ASK and ASKQ). . \freplace() function fixed. . Yet Another UUCP Lockfile Format For Linux. . Other minor bugs fixed. . All text files updated, many of them in big ways. The majority of work this past month concentrated on HP-UX 10.xx, where a new curses library introduced in version 10.10 was giving C-Kermit (and any other application that linked with the curses library) fits, and on VMS, where the almost limitless combinations of Alpha vs VAX, DECC vs VAXC, and Multinet vs UCX vs TCPware vs CMU/Tek, etc, and every release of every one of those things I just said (e.g. DEC C 4.0 vs Multinet 3.5B vs VMS 7.0). Thanks to the tireless work of a small group of VMS die-hards :-) we now handle just about every case automatically. BUILT AND TESTED ON... DEC 5800 with Ultrix 4.3 DEC Alpha with Digital UNIX 3.2 and 4.0 DEC MicroVAX-II with Bell Research UNIX V10 DEC PDP-11/44 with 2.11 BSD HP 9000 with HP-UX 7.00, 7.05, 8.00, 9.00, 9.03, 9.05, 10.00, 10.10, 10.20 IBM Power Series 400 AIX 4.1 and 4.2 NeXTstation, NeXTSTEP 3.1 PCs with BSDI 2.0 PCs with Red Hat Linux / Kernel 1.2.13 PCs with SCO Open Server R5.0 PCs with Unixware 2.10 SGI Indigo with IRIX 5.3 SGI Challenge with IRIX 6.2 Sun SPARC, SunOS 4.1.3_U1 Sun SPARC, Solaris 2.4, 2.5 with and without SunLink X.25 9.00 And for VMS: MicroVAX-II VMS 5.4-2 VAXC 3.1 TGV 3.3D VAX 3100/38 VMS 5.5-1 VAXC 3.1 UCX 2.0 VAX 4000-700A VMS 5.5-2H4 VAXC 3.2 TGV 4.0FT Alpha 2100 4/200 VMS 6.1 DECC 5.3-006 TGV 3.5B Alpha 3000 400 VMS 6.1 DECC 4.0-000 TGV 3.5B Alpha 2000 5/300 VMS 6.2 DECC 4.0-000 TGV 3.5B Alpha 3000 400 VMS 6.2 DECC 5.0-003 TGV 3.5B Alpha 3000 300L VMS 6.2 DECC 5.2-003 TGV 4.0AX VAX 3100 VMS 6.2 DECC 5.3-006 TGV 4.0A Alpha 200 4/166 VMS 6.2 DECC 5.3-006 TGV 4.0A And for AOS/VS... Data General MV 2500/DC AOS/VS II 2.20.00.39 + TCP/IP Those are just the ones I did myself. Lots of others were tested elsewhere since the last beta. You can find a pretty thorough list at the end of the ckc192.upd file. Thanks to all of you who tested the last Beta and sent in reports. Special thanks to those who contributed extraordinary amounts of testing, expertise, code, or equipment since Beta.030: Peter Eichhorn, Steve Walton, JE Jones, Nigel Roles, Carl Friedberg, John Santos, Paul Kimoto, Lucas Hart, Hunter Goatley, Bernie Volz, Joellen Windsor, Jeff Altman, Neal Murphy, Patty Chien, Chuck Fuller, Hellmuth Michaelis, David-Michael Lincke, Mike Freeman, and Terry Kennedy. WHERE TO GET IT (the regular place): Quick access for Web users: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit Follow the "What's New" link (reload if necessary). The new test version is available via anonymous ftp from: kermit.columbia.edu in the kermit/test directory tree: kermit/test/text/ Contains individual source files, documentation files, makefiles, etc; ftp in text mode. The general formula for getting all the files you need for a particular version is: text prompt mget ck[cuw]*.[cwh] ck?*.* (where ? = v for VMS, 9 for OS-9, etc) kermit/test/tar/ The complete UNIX sources, makefile, and documentation files as compressed tar archives: cku192.tar.Z (uncompress) and cku192.tar.gz (gunzip) kermit/test/bin/ Individual binaries, all of them used to transfer themselves (in binary mode, of course :-) ftp them in binary mode. The READ.ME file in this directory explains what is what (text mode for this file only). NOTE: The VMS versions now have long descriptive names showing the hardware (A or V), VMS version, and TCP/IP product and version. The rest of the missing VMS binaries are needed. Reports of all kinds -- good, bad -- are most welcome; please send them straight to me: fdc@columbia.edu BINARIES NEEDED Binaries that are not already present -- for DG/UX, Solaris/Intel, VMS with other TCP/IP products, AIX 4.2, AIX 3.2.5, whatever you have -- are needed. This is the VERY last chance before the final release to discover if you *can* make a binary for your platform. If you can make a binary please send email to me at fdc@columbia.edu and make arrangements to upload it. If you tried and failed to build this version, also send me mail so we can work out the kinks. Alternatively, I'm more than happy to do it myself if I can get Telnet and FTP access to an appropriate development platform. Watch the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup for further announcements. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 11 13:52:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27358 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA00450 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:52:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit and HP-UX 10.10 Date: 11 Nov 1996 18:52:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <567sla$gmi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu On Fri, 8 Nov 96 13:04:43 EST, Colin Giffen wrote: > Our systems are SCO Xenix system with C-Kermit 5A. We have for years > transferred files to InteReality MLS systems on the HP9 using kermit. We > login to their system witch gives us a menu and option 1 invokes the > Kermit Server, at this point we transfer the files and then send the > finish command and connect back onto the system and choose option 6 off > the menu for Logout. This setup has worked for years; however, at a new > install for InteReality and at a 3 year old customer of ours after the > Finish command we connect back to InteReality system and the screen keeps > scrolling and scrolling as though hundreds of Carriage Returns have been > pumped into the line. The only thing different about this link is that > InteReality is now installing a HP10.1 system and is using the Kermit > that comes with it and it is a different Kermit since it does not use > .kermrc but some other ini files. > There is a horrible bug in HP-UX 10.10 and 10.20 that affects C-Kermit and all other programs that link with the curses library. You need to either (a) install patches from HP, or (b) get a new version of Kermit from us at Columbia, which we will be announcing within a few days. For HP-UX 10.10, the HP-UX patch is PHCO_8086. - Frank P.S. The above is in response to email, rather than to a posting. All attempts at replying to the poster, or getting electronic word to the postmaster or anyone else at rapattoni.com, including the contacts in the whois database and the Webmaster, were rebuffed. We do our very best to reply to all tech support queries, and when email can not be replied to, posting the answer on the newsgroup is the only way. P.P.S. The new version was announced last night -- Release Candidate 1 should work just fine on HP-UX 10.00, 10.01, 10.10, 10.20, and 10.30. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 11 14:15:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01746 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA01162 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:15:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!nntp.crl.com!news1.crl.com!nexp.crl.com!crl2.crl.com!not-for-mail From: oak@crl.com (Tony Gonzalez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ckermit: Running scripts through "expect"? Date: 11 Nov 1996 11:02:04 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 6 Message-ID: <567t7c$b5s@crl2.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl2.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Does anyone know if it's possible to use the "expect" scrunipt utility already on unix systems to run dial-in, telnet, application, etc., scripts? Thanks. -Tony From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 11 14:30:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06324 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA01499 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:30:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ckermit: Running scripts through "expect"? Date: 11 Nov 1996 19:30:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <567us0$i1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <567t7c$b5s@crl2.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <567t7c$b5s@crl2.crl.com>, Tony Gonzalez wrote: : Does anyone know if it's possible to use the "expect" scrunipt utility : already on unix systems to run dial-in, telnet, application, etc., scripts? : C-Kermit is designed to be used interactively, or via command files (scripts). It is not designed to be tricked by "expect" into *thinking* it is being used interactively, but some people do that anyway -- they are on their own for this. C-Kermit has its own script programming language built in, so you don't need to use expect to write scripts -- it's just another layer of complexity and potential problems that you don't need. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 11 20:54:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18462 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:54:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10773 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:54:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!dtinews!news From: Jim Tittsler Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit95 Multiple Telnet Sessions Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:44:59 +0900 Organization: Data Stream KK Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3287D69B.73A39E5@shrine.cyber.ad.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp55.tokyo.dtinet.or.jp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.24 i586) How can I use the Kermit 95 dialer to launch multiple simultaneous telnet sessions? -- Jim Tittsler, 7j1ajh@amsat.org From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 11 21:28:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA22006 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 21:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA11632 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 21:28:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!news.pbi.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit95 Multiple Telnet Sessions Date: 12 Nov 1996 02:28:27 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 17 Message-ID: <568ncb$nfb@samba.rahul.net> References: <3287D69B.73A39E5@shrine.cyber.ad.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Jim Tittsler (jwt@shrine.cyber.ad.jp) wrote: : How can I use the Kermit 95 dialer to launch multiple simultaneous : telnet sessions? You don't say if you want more than one to the same host, or one each to multiple hosts. Multiple hosts just happens, so I assume you want two sessions to the same host. You can't. Sort of. If you try to initiate the "same" connection from the K-95 dialer, it won't work. If you have an identical copy with a different name, that will work. I never use more than two, and then only on one host, so amongst my dialer listings, there is a foxtrot, and a foxtrot-2 -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 12 11:05:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03837 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA20985 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:05:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit95 Multiple Telnet Sessions Date: 12 Nov 1996 16:05:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <56a77g$it8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3287D69B.73A39E5@shrine.cyber.ad.jp> <568ncb$nfb@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <568ncb$nfb@samba.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: : Jim Tittsler (jwt@shrine.cyber.ad.jp) wrote: : : How can I use the Kermit 95 dialer to launch multiple simultaneous : : telnet sessions? : : You don't say if you want more than one to the same host, or one each to : multiple hosts. Multiple hosts just happens, so I assume you want two : sessions to the same host. : You can't. Sort of. : If you try to initiate the "same" connection from the K-95 dialer, it won't : work. If you have an identical copy with a different name, that will work. : I never use more than two, and then only on one host, so amongst my dialer : listings, there is a foxtrot, and a foxtrot-2 : In version 1.1.8, coming up soon, you will also be able to launch multiple simultaneous sessions to the same host. The only reason you can't do that now is that, if you did, the Dialer would not know which session to shut down if you pressed the HANGUP button. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 12 16:58:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16781 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA29882 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:58:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!newshost.convex.com!newsgate.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!news_server.cs.unc.edu!newz.oit.unc.edu!romani From: romani@email.unc.edu (David Romani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit95 Multiple Telnet Sessions Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:32:51 -0500 Organization: Academic Affairs Library, UNC Chapel Hill Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <3287D69B.73A39E5@shrine.cyber.ad.jp> <568ncb$nfb@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aaladm26.lib.unc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.3.1 Along the same lines, a question and feature request for K95. Can the the title bar for the window pick up the name of dialer entry rather than the host address, for example if the dialer entry says "DRA - Netcat" have that appear in the title bar rather than unclib.lib.unc.edu. We have situations where people do log into the same host to run different parts of our online catalog software and would like to be able to see, for example, in the title bar that they are running the circulation interface in one window and the catalogers interface in the other window, Is this a GUI vs. console issue, or have I just missed something obvious. Thanks In article <568ncb$nfb@samba.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: >Jim Tittsler (jwt@shrine.cyber.ad.jp) wrote: >: How can I use the Kermit 95 dialer to launch multiple simultaneous >: telnet sessions? > >You don't say if you want more than one to the same host, or one each to >multiple hosts. Multiple hosts just happens, so I assume you want two >sessions to the same host. >You can't. Sort of. >If you try to initiate the "same" connection from the K-95 dialer, it won't >work. If you have an identical copy with a different name, that will work. >I never use more than two, and then only on one host, so amongst my dialer >listings, there is a foxtrot, and a foxtrot-2 > >-- >--- >Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. -- David Romani Library Systems UNC Chapel Hill romani@email.unc.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 13 01:54:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA03494 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 01:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA13128 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 01:54:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!tezcat!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.cyberenet.net!netaxs.com!slip-730.netaxs.com!user From: jdlynch@netaxs.com (John Lynch) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.aix-l,comp.unix.aix,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.protocol.tcpip,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.cmu-tek,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.misc,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.wintcp Subject: R/S6000-AIX3.2.5 -> PowerMac via ethernet Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:16:18 -0500 Organization: Net Access - Philadelphia's Original ISP Lines: 40 Distribution: inet Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-730.netaxs.com X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b27+ Xref: news.columbia.edu bit.listserv.aix-l:11468 comp.unix.aix:100622 comp.sys.mac.comm:199059 comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip:32799 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:70140 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:46079 comp.protocols.snmp:7008 comp.protocols.ppp:17901 comp.protocols.pcnet:284 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6156 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains:14212 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:41696 microsoft.public.windowsnt.protocol.tcpip:1045 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.cmu-tek:4556 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.misc:538 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet:11491 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware:399 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx:3088 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.wintcp:1141 Can anybody help me solve this problem? I have a Mac PowerPC running OpTrpt1.1.1-TCP/IP and System 7.5.5 configured to run on the built in ethernet card. I also have an IBM R/S6000 250 running AIX 3.2.5 with TCP/IP configured to run on the et0 IEEE 802.3 network interface. The machines are connected via a CatV, 10Base-T, RJ-45 cable. The IBM R/S6000 has a twisted pair adapter attached to the ethernet port. I have tried everything I could think of , find, read, download, and make-up to get these two machines to acknowledge each other! All I want to do is telnet, tn3270 and FTP to and from the R/S6000 via the Mac. I¹m keeping the addressing simple: Gateway 192.168.124.1 R/S6000 192.168.124.2 PowerMac 192.168.124.3 Subnet mask 255.255.255.0 I can¹t get even get them to ping each other! I¹ve tried everything from simple TCP/IP setup to complete DNS and gateway configurations with domains, w/o domains etc... I made the R/S6000 a name server and that didn¹t work. I¹ve configured host files on both machines to no end. The R/S6000 can ping itself on both the l0 and et0. I¹ve read as much of the AIX manual as I can take and downloaded and read as much from Apple as I could find. Does anybody have any suggestions or know something I don¹t. Am I missing something very obvious or something very obscure!? I¹d love to know. PLEASE drop me line if you¹ve had any experiences with this configuration. Even the most obvious or trivial thing may help so please don¹t hesitate to put in your two cents! I¹ve left out most of the detail here to keep it as short as possible. I will post details if it¹ll help? jdlynch@netaxs.com ThanX! From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 13 07:28:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06720 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:28:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA10569 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 07:28:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!pasteur.fr!oleane!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!soap.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet From: triocomp@dial.pipex.com (Chris Raper) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit6 Q: Having problems sending binaries....... :-\ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:26:53 GMT Organization: Trio Computing Ltd Lines: 21 Message-ID: <328abd61.258015@158.43.128.9> NNTP-Posting-Host: ak146.du.pipex.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 Hi, I am having problems sending a particular binary file from one UNIX site to another using C-kermit 6.0. All text and 'tar'ed text files are OK and I even sent a 2Mb binary with no problem but this one just stalls on the first few packets and just keeps resending. What is going on? My op.sys is SCO Openserver 5 (at both ends) and I'm running the serial line at 38400 and the modem at 28800 baud. I have set binary transfer mode and the parity setting is 'none'. I also have 'fast' set and am using XON/XOFF handshaking. Let me know if more info is required. Thanks Chris R. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 13 10:56:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09152 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:56:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA15585 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:56:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news-2.ccinet.ab.ca!usenet From: Fred Zillinger Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Minimal protocol for Kermit? Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:16:52 -0800 Organization: CCI Networks, a division of Corporate Computers Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <328A0284.1BB0@ccinet.ab.ca> Reply-To: industro-serve@ccinet.ab.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: remote61.rd.incentre.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) I would like to transfer binary data from a microprocessor to the Windows Terminal program. I understand that the terminal program is running a form of Kermit. Does anyone know the minimal protocol for a Kermit transfer? Are there any books that explain the protocol at this level? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Fred Zillinger < industro-serve@ccinet.ab.ca> Industro-Serve Inc. Work: 001-403-342-1125 #4, 7875-48th Avenue Home: 403-748-2560 Red Deer, Alberta Fax: 403-343-0030 Canada, T4P 2K1 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 13 12:13:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24457 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA17586 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:13:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit6 Q: Having problems sending binaries....... :-\ Date: 13 Nov 1996 17:13:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <56cvjk$2pv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <328abd61.258015@158.43.128.9> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <328abd61.258015@158.43.128.9>, Chris Raper wrote: : I am having problems sending a particular binary file from one UNIX : site to another using C-kermit 6.0. All text and 'tar'ed text files : are OK and I even sent a 2Mb binary with no problem but this one just : stalls on the first few packets and just keeps resending. : : My op.sys is SCO Openserver 5 (at both ends) and I'm running the : serial line at 38400 and the modem at 28800 baud. I have set binary : transfer mode and the parity setting is 'none'. I also have 'fast' set : and am using XON/XOFF handshaking. : I suspect that the "fast" setting is a bit *too* fast if you are using Xon/Xoff. If these data characters are unprefixed when Xon/Xoff is being used anywhere along the communications chain, file transfer won't work. Tell C-Kermit, after giving it the FAST command, to "set control prefix 17 19 145 147". I should probably make it less easy to unprefix these characters before the final release of 6.0. Thanks for the report. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 13 12:16:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25179 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA17736 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:16:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Minimal protocol for Kermit? Date: 13 Nov 1996 17:15:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <56cvnr$2tm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <328A0284.1BB0@ccinet.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <328A0284.1BB0@ccinet.ab.ca>, Fred Zillinger wrote: : I would like to transfer binary data from a microprocessor to the : Windows Terminal program. I understand that the terminal program is : running a form of Kermit. : First I'd recommend that you not use Windows Terminal for file transfer. If you want to transfer files with Kermit protocol to or from a PC with Windows 3.x, use MS-DOS Kermit (current version 3.14, soon to be 3.15). : Does anyone know the minimal protocol for a Kermit transfer? : Are there any books that explain the protocol at this level? : The Kermit protocol specification is in: Frank da Cruz, "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", Digital Press / Butterworth Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. More info at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 13 14:23:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20274 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:23:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20782 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:23:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 / Multiple Telnet sessions Date: 13 Nov 1996 14:23:05 -0500 Organization: panix Lines: 6 Message-ID: <56d76p$mr@panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com Suppose that I have two telnet sessions open. Can I have a script which will send a string to each login session? Marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 13 14:35:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24225 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:35:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA21126 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:35:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 / Multiple Telnet sessions Date: 13 Nov 1996 19:35:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <56d7th$etr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <56d76p$mr@panix.com> Reply-To: kermit-support@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <56d76p$mr@panix.com>, Marshall G. Flax wrote: : Suppose that I have two telnet sessions open. Can I have a script which : will send a string to each login session? There is currently no support for communication between Kermit sessions if that is what you are looking for. Of course, you can execute the script within each Kermit session and have it send the same string to the host. Why don't you provide us a better idea of what you are attempting to accomplish? Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 14 01:08:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA11293 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 01:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA06783 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 01:08:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.cyberenet.net!netaxs.com!slip-730.netaxs.com!user From: jdlynch@netaxs.com (John Lynch) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.aix-l,comp.unix.aix,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.protocol.tcpip,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.cmu-tek,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.misc,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.wintcp Subject: UPDATE € R/S 6000 -> POWERMAC ETHERNET Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:23:16 -0500 Organization: Net Access - Philadelphia's Original ISP Lines: 18 Distribution: inet Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-730.netaxs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu bit.listserv.aix-l:11476 comp.unix.aix:100705 comp.sys.mac.comm:199232 comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip:32829 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:70180 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:46108 comp.protocols.snmp:7017 comp.protocols.ppp:17917 comp.protocols.pcnet:285 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6163 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains:14227 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:41703 microsoft.public.windowsnt.protocol.tcpip:1075 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.cmu-tek:4558 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.misc:539 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet:11504 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware:401 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx:3090 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.wintcp:1142 In response to several Emails I would like to add the following details; en0 (2) & et0 (802.3) : from what I read (IBM docs) to use 10Base-T wire and cable adapter on the R/S 6000 250 (only) you have to use 802.3 standard. This is why I used et0 and not en0. Although I did try it at first with standard ethernet. I think this may be the problem! I don't think the cable adapter is correct. It's only got 6 pins which connect to the "thick" style card. If this is the problem can I get some type of other adapter for the R/S 6000 to connect 10Base-T line or can I get an AAUI type cable which I have on the PowerMac also? Thanks for all of your suggestions! I'll let you all know if I overcome! JL "It's not just a job...........it's an adventure" From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 14 01:49:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA19782 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 01:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA07599 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 01:49:18 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!tezcat!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsgate.duke.edu!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.interpath.net!cyberspam!mmfcancel From: jmknoble@quipu.earth (Jim Knoble) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.aix-l,comp.unix.aix,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.protocol.tcpip,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.cmu-tek,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.misc,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.wintcp Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 14 Nov 1996 06:10:51 GMT Organization: Interpath Lines: 3 Sender: jdlynch@netaxs.com (John Lynch) Approved: yes Distribution: inet Message-ID: Reply-To: jmknoble@pobox.com NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.interpath.com X-Cancelled-By: jmknoble@quipu.earth (Jim Knoble) X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.8.4 (BETA)) ignore Article cancelled by slrn 0.8.8.4 (BETA) From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 14 04:37:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA14898 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 04:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA11670 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 04:37:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-ext.crl.dec.com!decwrl!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!soap.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet From: triocomp@dial.pipex.com (Chris Raper) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit6 Q: Having problems sending binaries....... :-\ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:06:59 GMT Organization: Trio Computing Ltd Lines: 13 Message-ID: <328be07f.611865@158.43.128.9> NNTP-Posting-Host: ak211.du.pipex.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99f/32.299 Following on from my previous post, I have now tried lots (but not all) combinations of parity & handshaking with no improvement. The one big clue I have is that ZMODEM transfer via kermit works fine. By running rz at the remote end and setting 'set protocol zmodem' at the local end I could transfer all the files that previously caused the problems. Thanks Chris R. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 14 12:25:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05846 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA14334 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:25:56 -0500 (EST) From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit6 Q: Having problems sending binaries....... :-\ Date: 14 Nov 1996 16:02:52 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 29 Message-ID: <56ffrc$77p@samba.rahul.net> References: <328abd61.258015@158.43.128.9> <56cvjk$2pv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@nojunk.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!andromeda.vec.net!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!gatech!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.pbi.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold Chris Raper wrote: : I am having problems sending a particular binary file from one UNIX : site to another using C-kermit 6.0. All text and 'tar'ed text files : are OK and I even sent a 2Mb binary with no problem but this one just : stalls on the first few packets and just keeps resending. This could be a hardware flow control latency problem. Text files, and some binaries, can be compressed by the modems, but other binaries cannot be compressed, so a 38400 line needs flow control on a 28800 connection. If the flow control of your tty driver is deficient, it won't be able to flow control properly. I see this happen with my Unixware 1.1.4 system, and it is supposed to be fixed in 2.x I can transfer to my Unixware box from my Sun box all day long, with large packet sizes, and see kermit transfers of 2800+ cps. >From Unixware to Sun, I have trouble with packet sizes larger than 2000, when transferring .zip files. Text files, and most binaries, transfer just fine. I have set "send packet 1000" on the Unixware side, and see transfers of 2800+, so it doesn't hurt the throughput. I do see the window count climb occasionally, but the transfer is okay. I know it is the Unixware, and not the Sun, because of transfers to and from other systems. Again, this is a known deficiency in my Unix, not kermit. ZModem transfers do work better, I think because that is a simplex protocol, rather than the duplex protocol of Kermit. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@nojunk.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 14 17:51:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12629 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22325 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:51:28 -0500 (EST) From: Eran Meiri Newsgroups: bit.listserv.aix-l,comp.unix.aix,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.protocol.tcpip,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.cmu-tek,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.misc,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip. Subject: Re: R/S6000-AIX3.2.5 -> PowerMac via ethernet Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:08:05 +0200 Organization: SCITEX Lines: 46 Message-ID: <328B51F5.D51@mail.stil.scitex.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.115.76.132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: John Lynch Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!andromeda.vec.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!psinntp!psinntp!ird.scitex.com!ilyap@ird.scitex.com Xref: news.columbia.edu bit.listserv.aix-l:11479 comp.unix.aix:100763 comp.sys.mac.comm:199316 comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip:32845 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:70212 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:46129 comp.protocols.snmp:7026 comp.protocols.ppp:17925 comp.protocols.pcnet:286 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6166 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains:14239 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:41707 microsoft.public.windowsnt.protocol.tcpip:1097 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.cmu-tek:4559 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.misc:540 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet:11507 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware:402 vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx:3092 You should use en0 instead of et0 on the RS/6000 and not to check the 802.3 box on the TCP/IP control panel in the Mac. Eran John Lynch wrote: > > Can anybody help me solve this problem? > > I have a Mac PowerPC running OpTrpt1.1.1-TCP/IP and System 7.5.5 > configured to run on the built in ethernet card. I also have an IBM > R/S6000 250 running AIX 3.2.5 with TCP/IP configured to run on the et0 > IEEE 802.3 network interface. The machines are connected via a CatV, > 10Base-T, RJ-45 cable. The IBM R/S6000 has a twisted pair adapter > attached to the ethernet port. > > I have tried everything I could think of , find, read, download, and > make-up to get these two machines to acknowledge each other! All I want > to do is telnet, tn3270 and FTP to and from the R/S6000 via the Mac. I1m > keeping the addressing simple: > > Gateway 192.168.124.1 > R/S6000 192.168.124.2 > PowerMac 192.168.124.3 > Subnet mask 255.255.255.0 > > I can1t get even get them to ping each other! I1ve tried everything from > simple TCP/IP setup to complete DNS and gateway configurations with > domains, w/o domains etc... I made the R/S6000 a name server and that > didn1t work. I1ve configured host files on both machines to no end. The > R/S6000 can ping itself on both the l0 and et0. > > I1ve read as much of the AIX manual as I can take and downloaded and read > as much from Apple as I could find. > > Does anybody have any suggestions or know something I don1t. Am I missing > something very obvious or something very obscure!? I1d love to know. > PLEASE drop me line if you1ve had any experiences with this > configuration. Even the most obvious or trivial thing may help so please > don1t hesitate to put in your two cents! > > I1ve left out most of the detail here to keep it as short as possible. I > will post details if it1ll help? > > jdlynch@netaxs.com > > ThanX! From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 14 23:59:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA05897 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA01768 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:59:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.cyberenet.net!netaxs.com!slip-730.netaxs.com!user From: jdlynch@netaxs.com (John Lynch) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.aix-l,comp.unix.aix,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.protocol.tcpip,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.cmu-tek,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.misc,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.wintcp Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:06:31 -0500 Organization: Net Access - Philadelphia's Original ISP Lines: 1 Distribution: inet Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-730.netaxs.com cancel From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 15 00:04:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06980 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:04:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA02209 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:04:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.cyberenet.net!netaxs.com!slip-730.netaxs.com!user From: jdlynch@netaxs.com (John Lynch) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.aix-l,comp.unix.aix,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.protocol.tcpip,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.cmu-tek,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.misc,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.wintcp Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:07:14 -0500 Organization: Net Access - Philadelphia's Original ISP Lines: 1 Distribution: inet Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-730.netaxs.com cancel From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 15 03:52:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA14749 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 03:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA07253 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 03:52:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu!chi-news.cic.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.cyberenet.net!netaxs.com!slip-730.netaxs.com!user From: jdlynch@netaxs.com (John Lynch) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.aix-l,comp.unix.aix,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.protocol.tcpip,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.cmu-tek,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.misc,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.wintcp Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:09:37 -0500 Organization: Net Access - Philadelphia's Original ISP Lines: 1 Distribution: inet Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-730.netaxs.com cancel From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 15 07:39:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24650 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA02285 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:39:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!chi-news.cic.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!news.idt.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.cyberenet.net!netaxs.com!slip-730.netaxs.com!user From: jdlynch@netaxs.com (John Lynch) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.aix-l,comp.unix.aix,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.protocol.tcpip,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.cmu-tek,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.misc,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.wintcp Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:06:11 -0500 Organization: Net Access - Philadelphia's Original ISP Lines: 1 Distribution: inet Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-730.netaxs.com cancel From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 15 08:25:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28758 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA03481 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:25:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.ingress.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.cyberenet.net!netaxs.com!slip-730.netaxs.com!user From: jdlynch@netaxs.com (John Lynch) Newsgroups: bit.listserv.aix-l,comp.unix.aix,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.protocol.tcpip,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.cmu-tek,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.misc,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx,vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.wintcp Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:07:29 -0500 Organization: Net Access - Philadelphia's Original ISP Lines: 1 Distribution: inet Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-730.netaxs.com cancel From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 16 08:10:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28013 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 08:10:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA00446 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 08:10:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!uwm.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!portal.gmu.edu!osf1.gmu.edu!bwilliam From: Ben E Williams Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Why can't I set baud of C-Kermit 5A Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:40:57 -0500 Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Lines: 26 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: osf1.gmu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't know if this is the appropriate newsgroup but... For some reason tonight when I tried to upload my text file to the DEC UNIX system (at the University where I am taking a class) I am logged into right now, kermit kept bombing out with too many errors. I was dialed in at 4800 baud using MS-kermit (as always) on my local IBM-PC so I decided to check the speed setting of the remote kermit and it was 9600. So I started attempting to change the speed: "SET SPEED 4800" and kermit responds "?Sorry, you must SET LINE first" so I go huh? what does that mean but finally I figure it wants "/dev/tty/" like it says after I do a "show communications" so I type "SET LINE /dev/tty" and then "SET BAUD 4800" and guess what it says then: "?Sorry, you must SET LINE first". So then I am looking around trying to get it to change the baud rate: I try restarting kermit with "kermit -b 4800" and still it gets set to 9600. I try "kermit -b 4800 -Y" and still no dice. I try creating a new file called .mykermrc like it says. And in the file I put "set baud 4800" and guess what message I get when it starts: "?Sorry, you must SET LINE first" so I add "SET LINE /dev/tty/" at the beginning of the file and after I restart kermit guess what message I still get... sigh... Is there some solution here? The thing that really baffles me is I have never had any problem using kermit before. Always worked like a charm until tonight... Oh yea, here is the version info: C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, DEC OSF/1 Numeric: 501189 From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 16 09:23:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06027 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA02307 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:23:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!insync!gryphon.phoenix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!RN1583 From: RN1583@uacsc2.albany.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 Support for CK6 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 11:59:44 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1783FA8B0S86.RN1583@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Hello: I noticed in the C-Kermit 6.0 Announcements that OS/2 has quietly dissapeared from supported platforms. Does Kermit organization have an official position about this, or is it a matter of 'youre on your own' I appreciate any official response towards either direction. RN1583@cnsibm.albany.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 16 19:45:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23466 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 19:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA17438 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 19:45:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!winternet.com!alpha.sky.net!solar!not-for-mail From: bob@sky.net (Bob Batson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Support for CK6 Date: 17 Nov 1996 00:42:27 GMT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Lines: 20 Message-ID: <56ln1j$10f@alpha.sky.net> References: <1783FA8B0S86.RN1583@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: solar.sky.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] RN1583@uacsc2.albany.edu wrote: > Hello: > > I noticed in the C-Kermit 6.0 Announcements that OS/2 has quietly > dissapeared from supported platforms. > > Does Kermit organization have an official position about this, > or is it a matter of 'youre on your own' I too would be intereseted in the answer to this question. -- ==================================================================== Bob Batson L 39 12 14 N 94 33 16 W bob@sky.net Kansas City TCS - Mystic Fire Priest USDA zone 5b ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Under the most controlled conditions, the experimental apparatus will do exactly as it pleases. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 17 07:58:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA12032 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 07:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA24342 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 07:58:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!xmission!wilbur.ohww.norman.ok.us!news.msfc.nasa.gov!mail.nemonet.com!sbolting From: sbolting@nemonet.com (Stephen Boltinghouse) Subject: Just try this, it will work Newsgroups: alt.fan.karla-homolka,alt.culture.karnataka,alt.autos.karting,alt.current-events.kashmir,no.uninett.katalog,alt.fan.kate-moss,alt.fan.katerena-eiermann,alt.fan.katerena.eiermann,sfnet.tietoliikenne.katko,no.alt.katter,finet.markkinat.kaupalliset,alt.fan.kay-dekker,alt.birdlung.kayak-repair,alt.fan.keanu-reeves,alt.religion.keithians,ais.rec.kenduskeag,alt.fan.kent-montana,alt.bonehead.kent-paul-dolan,soc.culture.kenya,alt.fan.kenya-moore,alt.culture.kerala,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,linux.dev.kernel,finet.freenet.keskustelu,utu.yok.keskustelu,alt.mcdonalds.ketchup,alt.fan.kevin-darcy,alt.fan.kevin-mitnick,alt.fan.kevin-walsh,alt.security.keydist,co.boulder.kgnu,comp.soft-sys.khoros,alt.games.ki,de.sci.ki.discussion,alt.fan.kia-mennie,alt.exploding.kibo,alt.religion.kibology,alt.religion.kibology.second-coming,finet.freenet.kidlink.kidcafe,finet.freenet.kidlink.kidforum,finet.freenet.kidlink.kidleadr,finet.freenet.kidl! ink.kidproj,fj.soc.law Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 23:23:01 GMT Message-ID: <105.353194369934@news.nemonet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.176.43 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 X-Software: Multipost 1.1 Lines: 143 Xref: news.columbia.edu alt.fan.karla-homolka:7681 alt.culture.karnataka:328 alt.autos.karting:3556 no.uninett.katalog:5 alt.fan.kate-moss:1153 alt.fan.katerena.eiermann:12 sfnet.tietoliikenne.katko:38 no.alt.katter:554 finet.markkinat.kaupalliset:1329 alt.fan.kay-dekker:50 alt.fan.keanu-reeves:8679 soc.culture.kenya:2556 alt.culture.kerala:22742 comp.protocols.kerberos:7910 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6170 linux.dev.kernel:452 finet.freenet.keskustelu:2027 comp.soft-sys.khoros:12996 alt.games.ki:3977 alt.fan.kia-mennie:463 alt.religion.kibology:139240 finet.freenet.kidlink.kidcafe:544 finet.freenet.kidlink.kidforum:70 finet.freenet.kidlink.kidleadr:64 finet.freenet.kidlink.kidproj:144 fj.soc.law:698 Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life. The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months. think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more. That's ... because it WORKS ! So I thought, all those new users might make it work. And I decided to try it out, a few months ago. Besides, whats $5.00, I spend more than that in the morning on my way to work on coffee and cigs for the day. So I sent in my money and posted. Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from AOL, Netcom, etc. they will join in and make it work for you. Well, two weeks later, I began recieving bucks in the mail! I couldn't believe it! Not just a little, I mean big bucks! At first only a few hundred dollars, then a week later, a couple of thousand, then BOOM. By the end of the fourth week, I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. It came from all over the world. And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had enough left over for a nice vacation for me and my family. Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well. Markus Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks. Dave Manning claims he made $53,664 in the same amount of time. Dan Shepstone says it was only $17,000 for him. Do I know these folks? No, but when I read how they say they did it, it made sense to me. Enough sense that I'm taking a similar chance with $5 of my own bucks. Not a big chance, I admit--but one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone ever invests in this system. Period. That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan invested, yet their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe, legal, completely legitimate way. Here's how it works in 3 easy steps: STEP 1. Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces of paper along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST." (In this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're paying for a legitimate service.) Fold a $1 bill, money order, or bank note inside each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail to the following five addresses: 1- Fern Suarez Mallorca 112 Hato Rey, P.R., USA, 00917 2- Philippe 2104 De Mexico Chomedey, Laval Quebec, Canada H7M 3C6 3- Natalie Jansen Lancveldlaan 18 5671 CN Nuenen Holland 4- Chad Collier 2785 Cold Springs Rd. #49 Placerville, CA 95667 5- Steve Boltinghouse 1009 Bird St. Hannibal, MO 63401 STEP 2. Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on. Put your name in as the fifth one on the list. STEP 3. Post the article to at least 250 newsgroups. There are at least 19000 newsgroups at any given moment in time. Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can. Remember the more groups you post to, the more people will see your article and send you cash! STEP 4. You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the Internet is new and huge. There is no way you can lose. Now here is how and why this system works: Out of every block of 250 posts I made, I got back 5 responses. Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or money orders, but real cash with your name at #5. Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 250 additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings. On average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at #4,....$50.00 in your pocket! Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500. They make 250 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000 postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash! Finally, 5,000 people make 250 postings each with your name at #1 and you get a return of $60,000 before your name drops off the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 250 postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000. From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list, you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again. The end result depends on you. You must follow through and repost this article everywhere you can think of. The more postings you make, the more cash ends up in your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!! So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper. So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is playing fairly. You know where your name should be. If you're really not sure or still think this can't be for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see what happens. REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS! GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH! *** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10,000! TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!! :o) !!!!!!!!!! From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 17 08:53:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05545 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 08:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA25764 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 08:52:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!ocean.fb12.tu-berlin.de!spamcancel!cyberspam From: sbolting@nemonet.com (Stephen Boltinghouse) Newsgroups: alt.fan.karla-homolka,alt.culture.karnataka,alt.autos.karting,alt.current-events.kashmir,no.uninett.katalog,alt.fan.kate-moss,alt.fan.katerena-eiermann,alt.fan.katerena.eiermann,sfnet.tietoliikenne.katko,no.alt.katter,finet.markkinat.kaupalliset,alt.fan.kay-dekker,alt.birdlung.kayak-repair,alt.fan.keanu-reeves,alt.religion.keithians,ais.rec.kenduskeag,alt.fan.kent-montana,alt.bonehead.kent-paul-dolan,soc.culture.kenya,alt.fan.kenya-moore,alt.culture.kerala,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,linux.dev.kernel,finet.freenet.keskustelu,utu.yok.keskustelu,alt.mcdonalds.ketchup,alt.fan.kevin-darcy,alt.fan.kevin-mitnick,alt.fan.kevin-walsh,alt.security.keydist,co.boulder.kgnu,comp.soft-sys.khoros,alt.games.ki,de.sci.ki.discussion,alt.fan.kia-mennie,alt.exploding.kibo,alt.religion.kibology,alt.religion.kibology.second-coming,finet.freenet.kidlink.kidcafe,finet.freenet.kidlink.kidforum,finet.freenet.kidlink.kidleadr,finet.freenet.kidl! ink.kidproj,fj.soc.law Subject: cmsg cancel <105.353194369934@news.nemonet.com> Message-ID: Control: cancel <105.353194369934@news.nemonet.com> Approved: hw@atlantic.fb12.tu-berlin.de References: <105.353194369934@news.nemonet.com> Lines: 5 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:49:15 +1 X-Cancelled-By: hw@atlantic.FB12.TU-Berlin.DE X-No-Archive: Yes MMF chain letter cancelled by hw@atlantic.fb12.tu-berlin.de . This is spam! Far above of ten thousand of these have been posted. The Breidbart index of this series was 1157. See report "Boltinghouse" in news.admin.net-abuse.announce. Subject was: Just try this, it will work. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 17 11:39:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26068 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:39:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA29867 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:39:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!pier.ecn.purdue.edu!laird From: laird@pier.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Support for CK6 Date: 17 Nov 1996 16:23:04 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <56ne58$7bg@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <1783FA8B0S86.RN1583@uacsc2.albany.edu> <56ln1j$10f@alpha.sky.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pier.ecn.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) >> I noticed in the C-Kermit 6.0 Announcements that OS/2 has quietly >> dissapeared from supported platforms. >> Does Kermit organization have an official position about this, >> or is it a matter of 'youre on your own' Well, I'm not doing so well on my own. I tried compiling a pre-beta version and I didn't get far. I gave up quickly - deciding to wait for the final release. Since then, however, I've been reluctant to spend the effort to make v6 because v5 works so well for me that I'm not sure it would be worthwhile to make another version. --kyler From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 18 11:16:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20688 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23234 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:16:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!news.pbi.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why can't I set baud of C-Kermit 5A Date: 18 Nov 1996 16:16:13 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 42 Message-ID: <56q24d$6bm@samba.rahul.net> References: Reply-To: dold@nojunk.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Ben E Williams (bwilliam@osf1.gmu.edu) wrote: : I don't know if this is the appropriate newsgroup but... Sure is. : For some reason tonight when I tried to upload my text file to the DEC : UNIX system (at the University where I am taking a class) I am logged into : right now, kermit kept bombing out with too many errors. I was dialed in : at 4800 baud using MS-kermit (as always) on my local IBM-PC so I decided : to check the speed setting of the remote kermit and it was 9600. So I : Is there some solution here? The thing that really baffles me is I have : never had any problem using kermit before. Always worked like a charm : until tonight... The kermit on the Unix box reflects comm settings as they exist on the Unix box... That sounds too simple ;-) They are the settings that you would see if you did "stty" at the unix command prompt. You can't change the baud rate, because it is on your existing connection, and you have no way of controlling that. It is established by the Unix login process when you connect. 9600 is a pretty standard thing to have on an older Unix box. Newer ones might have substantially higher speeds. It has probably always been this way, and you only noticed now because you went looking for a solution to your problem. Perhaps there has been a change, like a new set of modems or modem server, installed on the Unix box. Depending on your hardware configuration, you should probably be running 9600 baud at your end, and set your modem to handle the speed matching... You might already be doing that anyway, since there are no real 4800 baud modems. Does the system work well, except for kermit? I think something affecting flow rates, like an upgrade to the modems on the Unix box, has affected you. Try "ls -l /etc" and see if the text flows cleanly. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@nojunk.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 18 11:21:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21485 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23356 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:21:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why can't I set baud of C-Kermit 5A Date: 18 Nov 1996 16:21:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-ID: <56q2dt$dhd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ben E Williams wrote: : I don't know if this is the appropriate newsgroup but... : It is. : For some reason tonight when I tried to upload my text file to the DEC : UNIX system (at the University where I am taking a class) I am logged into : right now, kermit kept bombing out with too many errors. I was dialed in : at 4800 baud using MS-kermit (as always) on my local IBM-PC so I decided : to check the speed setting of the remote kermit and it was 9600. : When C-Kermit is in remote mode, "show comm" lists the speed that the operating system reports. These days, it is very common for this to be different from the actual speed at your end. Usually this is because there is some device -- such as a terminal server -- between your PC and the computer where C-Kermit is running, and the connection between them is over some kind of network (TCP/IP or LAT), in which serial speeds are meaningless anyway. : So I : started attempting to change the speed: "SET SPEED 4800" and kermit : responds "?Sorry, you must SET LINE first" so I go huh? what does that : mean ... : Just what it says. The SET SPEED command is only for use when dialing out. It only affects the device you have assigned for dialing out, not your job's own controlling terminal. (If it did, you connection would instantly become unusable.) (If you had a true serial connection, e.g. to a VAX serial port, you could change its speed, escape back, change the PC's speed, and reconnect, but I don't think that's what you had in mind.) If you want to connect to the remote host at a different speed, you need to INITIATE the connection at that speed. : Oh yea, here is the version info: C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, DEC OSF/1 : Numeric: 501189 The current version is 5A(190), and 6.0 will be released shortly. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 18 11:33:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25111 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23603 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:33:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Support for CK6 Date: 18 Nov 1996 16:32:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <56q33a$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1783FA8B0S86.RN1583@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1783FA8B0S86.RN1583@uacsc2.albany.edu>, wrote: : I noticed in the C-Kermit 6.0 Announcements that OS/2 has quietly : dissapeared from supported platforms. : : Does Kermit organization have an official position about this, : or is it a matter of 'youre on your own' : : I appreciate any official response towards either direction. : As you know, the OS/2 version of C-Kermit is significantly different from the UNIX and VMS versions in that it includes a full-blown terminal emulator, complete with all the amenities. Thus the work involved in maintaining this version is perhaps an order of magnitude greater than maintaining the "plain text" versions such as the ones for UNIX and VMS, which are portable to hundreds of different platforms. As most people are also aware, OS/2 is rapidly fading into obscurity, despite its merits. Nevertheless, we do plan to release a new product for OS/2 shortly. Watch this newsgroup, and the appropriate OS/2 newsgroups, for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 18 14:50:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04897 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA28366 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:50:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!defender.rs.itd.umich.edu!tplesco From: tplesco@umich.edu (Glenn Danzig) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 Host Date: 18 Nov 1996 19:43:20 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 17 Message-ID: <56qe8o$sh6@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: defender.rs.itd.umich.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Has anyone written any notable script changes for the k95d host program? I'm looking to change the messaging capabilities to include the ability to send messages to other users as well as the proprieter. Any k95d script additions, please let me know. I'd like to share some ideas. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Todd Plesco tod@arbornet.org "Always yield to the Hands-On imperative." From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 18 15:00:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06665 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA28576 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:00:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newshub.csu.net!usenet From: "Joe Emenaker" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 5A (190) says it can't initialize the modem Date: 18 Nov 1996 19:56:17 GMT Organization: College of Business Lines: 183 Message-ID: <01bbd58a$971a31a0$805b4181@DAMIEN.BUSFAC.CALPOLY.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: damien.busfac.calpoly.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keywords: initialize modem X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 I'm trying to use a package that let's me send messages to an alpha-pager. It uses kermit and I am having nothing but headaches with it. I'm using it on a Linux machine with kernel 2.0.6. The problem goes something like this: First, when the script tells kermit to dial, the *first* thing it does is go off hook and then issue a carrier (as if I had just send an "ATA" to the modem). It then goes back on-hook a second or two later. Then, after about 10 seconds, I get "DIAL Failure: Error initializing modem". This is what happens with the script as I've currently got it. In the past, it's done things like connect to the remote host but the data gets all garbled. I've tried this with a cheap-o hayes-compatible 14.4, a Gateway Telepath 33k, and am currently trying it with a Zoom 33k. So, is it me or is kermit like the flakiest program on the planet? Oh, by the way, here's the script I'm using. It's from SysAdmin magazine... about a year back... --------------- Included text --------------- ;Usage asap.scr set line /dev/ttyS1 ; Set for second serial port on a SPARCstation die set modem hayes ; Set for Hayes modem #set modem sportster ; Set for Hayes modem set local-echo on ; Echo local (doesn't seem to work) set duplex full ; Echo local (doesn't seem to work) set parity even ; Should set us to 7e1 set speed 19200 ; 1200 is max speed AirTouch seems to accept #set speed 1200 ; 1200 is max speed AirTouch seems to accept #set output pacing 1 ; Seems needed to work with AirTouch set input echo on ; Need to watch. set debug session set take error off ; To handle EOF on READ (doesn't seem to do anything) ;output at s11=25 ; Set speed dialing to 25ms bursts echo "s11=50" output at s11=50 ; Set speed dialing on to 50ms bursts echo "S13=50" output at s13=50 ; Set speed dialing off to 50ms bursts echo "l2" output at l2 #echo "&c1&d2" #output at &c1&d2 # out atm0 open read \&@[2] ; Open the file message.txt read-only if fail goto noinput read \%p ; Read a line (presumably containing a pin) if fail goto nofirst echo PIN is \%p read \%m ; Read a line (presumably containing a message) if fail goto nofirst echo Message is \%m read \%c ; Read a line (presumably containing a checksum) if fail goto nofirst echo Checksum = \%c read \%d ; Read a line (presumably containing a cr delimeter) if fail goto nofirst echo Delimiter = "\%d" :makecall #hangup echo Dialing \&@[3] dial \&@[3] ; Dial second parameter ;define echo echo Error: \%1, end ; Error-handling macro. ;set input timeout proceed ; Don't quit if INPUT fails. ;set input case ignore ; Alphabetic case doesn't matter. output \13 ; Send carriage return (ASCII 13). output \13 ; Send carriage return (ASCII 13). input 10 ID= ; Wait for ID request if fail goto noid output {\27PG1\13} ; Send PG1 to go into automatic mode if fail echo \7I can't send the pg1!, what the hell is going on here?! input 5 \006 ; Wait for if fail goto nofirsthand def \%i 0 ; Initialize the block counter to zero :beginwhile output \2\%p\13\%m\13\3\%c\13 ; Send the block (ugly huh?) if fail echo \7I can't send the block!, what the hell is going on here?! input 35 \006 ; Wait for if success goto contwhile reinput 0 \21 if success GOTO gotnak reinput 0 \27 if success GOTO goteot echo \7I didn't get anything I know about when I was hoping for an , I'll try the call again! goto makecall :contwhile read \%p ; Read a line (presumably containing a pin), bug out of while if I can't read one if fail goto endwhile read \%m ; Read a line (presumably containing a message) if fail goto trunc read \%c ; Read a line (presumably containing a checksum) if fail goto trunc read \%d ; Read a line (presumably containing a cr delimeter) if fail goto trunc goto beginwhile :endwhile close read ; Close the message file output \13 ; Get outta here! hangup quit :noinput echo \7 I couldn't open the input file, help! goto die :nofirst ECHO \7 I couldn't get the first record of the file, help! ECHO Here is what I got echo \v(input) goto die :noid ECHO \7 I didn't even get the ID prompt, I'll try the call again GOTO makecall :nofirsthand ECHO \7I didn't even get the initial , I'll try the call again! GOTO makecall :gotnak echo OK I got a I'll just resend the packet goto beginwhile :goteot echo \7I got an I'll try the call again ;goto makecall goto contwhile :trunc echo \7It looks like the message input file is truncated, help! goto die :die echo \7\7\7 I am dying!!! close read ; Close the message file output \13 ; Get outta here! hangup ; quit 1 From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 18 15:12:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08735 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:12:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA28927 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:12:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 5A (190) says it can't initialize the modem Date: 18 Nov 1996 20:12:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <56qfus$m66@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bbd58a$971a31a0$805b4181@damien.busfac.calpoly.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: initialize modem In article <01bbd58a$971a31a0$805b4181@damien.busfac.calpoly.edu>, Joe Emenaker wrote: : : I'm trying to use a package that let's me send messages to an alpha-pager. : It uses kermit and I am having nothing but headaches with it. : : I'm using it on a Linux machine with kernel 2.0.6. : : The problem goes something like this: : First, when the script tells kermit to dial, the *first* thing it does is : go off hook and then issue a carrier (as if I had just send an "ATA" to : the modem). It then goes back on-hook a second or two later. Then, after : about 10 seconds, I get "DIAL Failure: Error initializing modem". : Don't try to mix and match sending raw AT commands to the modem and using the DIAL command. : So, is it me or is kermit like the flakiest program on the planet? : You have to know how to use it. The DIAL command, for example, hangs up the current connection, if any, to make sure that it is talking to the modem's command processor, and so that it knows the modem can expect to be able to dial when told to. There are all sorts of SET DIAL commands to control this, especially in the new 6.0 version of C-Kermit. : Oh, by the way, here's the script I'm using. It's from SysAdmin : magazine... about a year back... : Is this supposed to be TAP protocol? There are much better ways to do this, especially in C-Kermit 6.0, which even comes with a short and simple TAP paging script. C-Kermit 6.0 is just about ready for release. Why don't you pick it up and give it a spin: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/cku192.tar.gz (or .Z) Uncompress, untar, make the appropriate target (see the comments at the top of the makefile for a list). The Alpha pager material is in the file ckepager.ksc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 18 17:00:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02597 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA01568 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:00:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!nntp.dist.maricopa.edu!usenet From: Jeremy Johnson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP WITH KERMIT Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:03:17 -0700 Organization: Maricopa Community Colleges Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3290DD25.7531@sc.maricopa.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc15.open-lab.sc.maricopa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) I NEED HELP FINDING THE RIGHT KERMIT PROGRAM I HAVE A IBM COM. AND I WOULD LIKE TO USE THE PROGRAM IF THERE'S ONE WITH WINNDOWS PLEASE I NEED SOMEONES HELP THAT KNOWS SOMETHING AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT FREE IF POSSIBLE THANKS, JEREMY PLEASE E MAIL AT JVERMULE@YVV.COM From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 19 03:39:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA16671 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 03:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA16920 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 03:39:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tezcat!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Support for CK6 Date: 19 Nov 1996 08:35:25 GMT Organization: Bob Shair Consulting Lines: 21 Message-ID: <56rrgd$sl4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1783FA8B0S86.RN1583@uacsc2.albany.edu> <56q33a$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > As most people are also aware, OS/2 is > rapidly fading into obscurity, despite its merits. > Frank: I am aware that OS/2 is widely perceived as fading into obscurity. My own observations have yet to support this (number of OS/2 users seems to be growing slowly). >Nevertheless, we do plan to release a new product for OS/2 shortly. Watch >this newsgroup, and the appropriate OS/2 newsgroups, for announcements. Thanks for the continued support. I'm a happy user of 5A (191), as I've been of previous Kermit releases since about 1983. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 < Not employed by or representing the University of Illinois > From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 19 09:55:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16803 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA15682 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:55:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!nntp.crl.com!news.intur.net!usenet From: love@columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: >>> ARE YOU READY FOR LOVE? <<< Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1996 21:07:16 -0500 Organization: inturnet inc Lines: 3 Message-ID: <10004597.22CC@anonymous.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a0135.chantilly.mns.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Please join us at http://bradsi.cyberportal.net From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 19 11:44:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09163 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:44:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18250 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:44:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!intac!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!cyberspam!usenet Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: love@columbia.edu Date: 19 Nov 1996 10:51:19 EST Control: cancel <10004597.22CC@anonymous.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <10004597.22CC@anonymous.com> no reply ignore Message-ID: X-Cancelled-By: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu X-No-Archive: Yes Lines: 3 Spam cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was >>> ARE YOU READY FOR LOVE? <<< From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 19 22:26:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA12200 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA03832 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:26:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infi.net!usenet From: ferlazzo@richmond.infi.net (Kevin Ferlazzo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Calling ZModem from UNIX C-Kermit 5A(190) Date: 20 Nov 1996 03:24:27 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <56ttlb$o5@nw101.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pa4dsp9.richmond.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Newsreader: NeoLogic News for OS/2 [version: 4.5d] Hi! We're having a problem at work, and I hope that the folks in this newsgroup can help solve it. We have an application that must (for mainly political reasons :) use ZModem to transfer data onto our UNIX server (a Sequent S5000/SE70). The data can actually come from several different locations (roughly 200, in fact :). I want to use C-Kermit on our server, for all of the obvious reasons. We have a ZModem implementation (rz and sz), but if I just shell out once the connections are made, by doing a !rz filename we never get the file transferred. Has anybody here played with this? I know it can be done, as I've got the OS/2 implementation of it at home. :) Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Kevin Ferlazzo Sysadm Defense Commissary Agency work email: ferlazkj@deca-gw.deca.mil home email: ferlazzo@richmond.infi.net #insert "Usual disclaimers here" From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 19 22:53:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16613 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA04449 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:53:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!aanews.merit.net!ns1.autonet.net!C1094-073 From: save@grocery.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.smb,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.eniac Subject: Save 80% On Your Grocery Bills!!! 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Sponsor's ID number: CA11094 From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 20 05:34:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA17359 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 05:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA14485 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 05:34:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!interpath!news.interpath.net!news.interpath.net!cyberspam!mmfcancel From: jmknoble@quipu.earth (Jim Knoble) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.smb,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.eniac Subject: cmsg cancel <56turk$pmd@ns1.autonet.net> Control: cancel <56turk$pmd@ns1.autonet.net> Date: 20 Nov 1996 10:15:49 GMT Organization: Interpath Lines: 3 Sender: save@grocery.com Approved: yes Distribution: inet Message-ID: Reply-To: jmknoble@pobox.com NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.interpath.com X-Cancelled-By: jmknoble@quipu.earth (Jim Knoble) X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.8.4 (BETA)) ignore Article cancelled by slrn 0.8.8.4 (BETA) From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 20 07:10:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09695 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 07:10:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA05799 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 07:10:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ptd.net!newsmaster From: "Joe" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Server Help Date: 20 Nov 1996 12:02:41 GMT Organization: ProLog - PenTeleData, Inc. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <01bbd6da$b9107a20$0d15bacc@jab315.cac.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs1-13.pcn.ptd.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 I am looking for the actual character codes sent to a kermit server to: get file: so far I have figured out 0x01 0x27 0x20 0x52 0x0d and response from get finish logoff I am writing an application and apparently the com lib I using does support kermit xfer after I can tell the remote system I want to retrieve the file I am also have some trouble calculating the checksum my checksums always works out to be 0x20 off example original kermit packet 0x01 0x23 0x20 0x4e 0x33 0x0d ^^^^^^ thats the checksum eveytime I calculate I get 0x13 by the following formula: checksum = (((sum & 0300) >> 6) + sum) & 077; sum = all the bytes added up excluding the initial 0x01 upto the checksum bytes to get it to work I had to: checksum =( (((sum & 0300) >> 6) + sum) & 077) + 0x20; I tested it on at least 3 different packet I captured and all work out to be 0x20 off please respond to: jbarbara@prolog.net, jbarbara@mycrowynn.com Thanks again Any help greatly appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 20 08:09:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16622 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA07158 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:09:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Server Help Date: 20 Nov 1996 13:09:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <56uvte$lsv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bbd6da$b9107a20$0d15bacc@jab315.cac.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bbd6da$b9107a20$0d15bacc@jab315.cac.psu.edu>, Joe wrote: : I am looking for the actual character codes sent to a kermit server to: What you need is a copy of Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6 See http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html for complete ordering information. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 20 08:46:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23414 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA08057 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:46:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Calling ZModem from UNIX C-Kermit 5A(190) Date: 20 Nov 1996 13:45:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <56v21k$msl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <56ttlb$o5@nw101.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <56ttlb$o5@nw101.infi.net>, Kevin Ferlazzo wrote: : Hi! We're having a problem at work, and I hope that the folks in this : newsgroup can help solve it. : : We have an application that must (for mainly political reasons :) use : ZModem to transfer data onto our UNIX server (a Sequent S5000/SE70). The : data can actually come from several different locations (roughly 200, in : fact :). I want to use C-Kermit on our server, for all of the obvious : reasons. We have a ZModem implementation (rz and sz), but if I just shell : out once the connections are made, by doing a !rz filename we never get : the file transferred. : Then you are using rz on the far end? If so, then rz receives the file on its standard input, so there is nothing funny going on with i/o redirection. In that case, the most likely conclusion is that the connection is not transparent and/or clean enough for Zmodem transfers. However, it's not quite clear from your question where C-Kermit comes into play. If you are making the connection *from* your server, and then expect rz to use it, you'll need to follow the directions in section 8 of the ckcker.upd file, which, in turn, can be used only if you have a 1988-vintage copy of rz uses standard i/o and allows it to be redirected. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 20 08:53:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24315 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA08161 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:52:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Server Help Date: 20 Nov 1996 13:52:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <56v2eo$n1h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bbd6da$b9107a20$0d15bacc@jab315.cac.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bbd6da$b9107a20$0d15bacc@jab315.cac.psu.edu>, Joe wrote: : I am looking for the actual character codes sent to a kermit server to: : : get file: : so far I have figured out 0x01 0x27 0x20 0x52 : 0x0d : ... : I am writing an application and apparently the com lib I using does support : kermit xfer after I can tell the remote system I want to retrieve the file : Maybe the people you bought the comm lib from should have included documentation on how to use it. This sounds like another classic case of a company that sells Kermit-related material to the general public and then sends them to the Kermit Project for help with it. Nice work if you can get it :-) : I am also have some trouble calculating the checksum my checksums always : works out to be 0x20 off : Right -- all binary values have "space" added to them to make them printable, as explained in the Kermit protocol specification. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 20 11:20:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24253 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA13201 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:20:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bignews.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Support for CK6 Date: 20 Nov 1996 16:12:43 GMT Organization: Kanji Users Service Operation (KUSO!), University of Sheffield Lines: 36 Message-ID: <56valr$pjk@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <1783FA8B0S86.RN1583@uacsc2.albany.edu> <56q33a$drl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <56rrgd$sl4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: E.Kinmonth@sheffield.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Bob Shair (rmshair@uiuc.edu) wrote: : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > As most people are also aware, OS/2 is : > rapidly fading into obscurity, despite its merits. Ckermit for OS/2 is an excellent piece of kit (despite its failure to support double-byte encoding). OS/2 itself might not be fading into obscurity if the applications supplied by IBM with OS/2 had been even half as robust and functional as Ckermit for OS/2. : Frank: : I am aware that OS/2 is widely perceived as fading into obscurity. : My own observations have yet to support this (number of OS/2 users : seems to be growing slowly). It certainly is in Japan and the UK, the two countries I have direct experience with. OS/2 3.0 was heavily, if stupidly advertised in the UK (on the sides of buses running through some of the most down market areas of Sheffield, for example), and most computer stores had a few copies. There has been no advertising for OS/2 4.0 and no stores seem to be carrying it in stock. Linux gets more column inches in UK magazines. Reading Japanese computer magazines and looking at IBM Japan's vernacular pages (www.ibm.co.jp) suggests a fade in the retail market with only half hearted support in the business market. Germany seems to be about the only vigorous OS/2 market at the moment.... -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Kanji Users Service Operation (KUSO!), University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2UJ From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 20 19:06:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA08279 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25218 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:06:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infi.net!usenet From: ferlazzo@richmond.infi.net (Kevin Ferlazzo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Calling ZModem from UNIX C-Kermit 5A(190) Date: 21 Nov 1996 00:02:56 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 39 Message-ID: <57067g$5tm@nw101.infi.net> References: <56ttlb$o5@nw101.infi.net><56ttlb$o5@nw101.infi.net> <56v21k$msl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pa2dsp8.richmond.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Newsreader: NeoLogic News for OS/2 [version: 4.5d] In message <56v21k$msl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> - fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)20 Nov 1996 13:45:24 GMT writes: :>: :>Then you are using rz on the far end? If so, then rz receives the file on :>its standard input, so there is nothing funny going on with i/o redirection. :>In that case, the most likely conclusion is that the connection is not :>transparent and/or clean enough for Zmodem transfers. :> :>However, it's not quite clear from your question where C-Kermit comes into :>play. If you are making the connection *from* your server, and then expect :>rz to use it, you'll need to follow the directions in section 8 of the :>ckcker.upd file, which, in turn, can be used only if you have a 1988-vintage :>copy of rz uses standard i/o and allows it to be redirected. :> :>- Frank Sorry I wasn't clear. The basic idea is for our distributors to dial into my system and transmit their data. We are doing electronic data interface (EDI) transactions, and it has been ruled from on high that the data transfers will use ZModem. The transfers are also supposed to be simple streams of data, with no, I repeat no login procedures (in UNIX terms, no getty on the port). Obviously, I intend to lock them down as tightly as I can, with no chance of breaking out to a shell. I want to use C-Kermit on my end to control the session and receive the data, rather than write my own comm program. Therefore, I need to run ZModem under C-Kermit. I have received a couple of tips in email, one of which was to look for a 1988 dated version of rz. I'll also immediately take a look in ckcker.upd, which I didn't even think of. Thanks!! Kevin Ferlazzo Sysadm Defense Commissary Agency work email: ferlazkj@deca-gw.deca.mil home email: ferlazzo@richmond.infi.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 20 19:26:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA10984 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25670 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:26:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!news.pbi.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Calling ZModem from UNIX C-Kermit 5A(190) Date: 21 Nov 1996 00:25:51 GMT Organization: a2i network Reply-To: dold@nojunk.rahul.net Lines: 23 Message-ID: <5707if$mbn@samba.rahul.net> References: <56ttlb$o5@nw101.infi.net><56ttlb$o5@nw101.infi.net> <56v21k$msl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <57067g$5tm@nw101.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Kevin Ferlazzo (ferlazzo@richmond.infi.net) wrote: : I want to use C-Kermit on my end to control the session and receive the data, : rather than write my own comm program. Therefore, I need to run ZModem under : C-Kermit. Oh, that! You don't need the 1988 version. The newer version is fine, because the remote end will be dialing in to the UNIX box, and the rz will be occurring on /dev/tty. The newer version doesn't allow a Unix user to initiate an outbound call, where the comm port/modem is on something other than /dev/tty. What you need is the latest version of C-Kermit, with "set term auto on" and a protocol of zmodem. That'll work just fine, calling the external program adjusted to suit my tastes with set proto zmodem {rz -y} {rz -a -y} {sz %s} {sz -a %s} {rz -y} {rz -a -y} I don't remember why the simpler "set proto zmodem" didn't please me. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@nojunk.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 21 20:14:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA19425 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id UAA24993 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:14:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.8 Date: 22 Nov 1996 01:14:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 90 Message-ID: <572uoo$qus$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: kermit-support@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Version 1.1.8 of Kermit 95 serial and network communications software for Windows 95 and NT is now available from the Kermit Project at Columbia University. Kermit 95 offers a variety of communication methods, a wide range of terminal emulations, Kermit and XYZMODEM file transfer, script programming, and international character-set translation. Kermit 95 is a native 32-bit Windows 95 and NT application on Intel platforms and (for NT only) also for the PowerPC and DEC Alpha. If you have not used Kermit 95 before, visit our Web site for a thorough introduction: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html The most important changes in version 1.1.8 are: . New terminal emulations: - Hazeltine 1500 - Hewlett Packard 2621A - Volker Craig VC404 . Terminal-Emulation Character Sets (Windows NT only): - Kermit 95's terminal emulator is now based 100% on Unicode - Arabic, Greek, Turkish, ISO 8859-3 thru -10 terminal character sets added - Full ISO 2022 character-set designation and invocation - Any mixture of character sets can be shown on the screen at once if they are in your font (e.g. Lucida Console) . Keyboard Handling Improvements: - LK450 keyboards now supported - Default terminal- and mode-specific keymaps can now be changed - Expanded EMACS mode . Other Terminal Emulation Improvements: - Horizontal scrolling - Automatic macro execution upon terminal-type switching - xterm / DECterm enhancements added to VT220/320 emulation - VT 320 status line now fully supported - User settable answerback message - Numerous Wyse and Televideo improvements - LOG SESSION corrected to record untranslated characters . Communications: - Cardinal modems now supported - InterConnections, Inc, TES32 connections are now supported - Multiple SuperLAT sessions now supported - Support for TELNET NEW-ENVIRONMENT protocol added - New commands to overcome TELNET binary-mode misnegotiations . Dialer: - New button to create script files - Multiple sessions to same Dialer entry now allowed - Dialer now puts entry name in the K95 title bar - Terminal type selection is now a scroll list of all 23 emulations - New minimize-on-use option - Browse-file dialogs added for notebook Login and Keyboard pages - Alt-F4, Close, and Cancel now ask permission to close window And other improvements, new features, and fixes too numerous to list here. For a complete description of the new release see: ftp://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/updates.doc HOW TO GET IT The new release can be ordered in shrink-wrapped or bulk- or site-licensed form from Columbia University. All orders received starting today will be filled with version 1.1.8. Find ordering information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Current registered users of Kermit 95 can download the 1.1.8 upgrade patch from our BBS or from our ftp site: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/ or on the Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html Please send questions or reports of any problems by email to: kermit-support@columbia.edu Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 22 11:52:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA29812 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:52:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id LAA09920 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:52:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!psinntp!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!usenet From: John Acar Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit over TCP/IP Network Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:30:36 -0500 Organization: LLD, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3295D52C.2305@ver.lld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.248.61.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) I am a new user for MS-Kermit. I have a kermit machine set up and I can ping it from another workstation on my network. I would like to use it as a remote machine so that a DOS application can be run from outside the company. However, I do not know how to accomplish this. The manual's TCP/IP section tells how to set up the connection but does not go into detail about setting up the machine to actually make the it a host in for TCP/IP. I would greatly appreciate it if somebody could help me out. Thanks, John From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 22 12:16:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA04145 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA10547 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:16:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!cyberspam!usenet Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.smb,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.eniac From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: save@grocery.com Date: 22 Nov 1996 12:05:42 EST Control: cancel <574c69$oc@ns1.autonet.net> Subject: cmsg cancel <574c69$oc@ns1.autonet.net> no reply ignore Message-ID: X-Cancelled-By: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu X-No-Archive: Yes Lines: 3 Spam cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was Save 80% On Your Grocery Bills!!! From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 22 12:36:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA10944 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA11045 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:36:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over TCP/IP Network Date: 22 Nov 1996 17:35:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <574o8q$rip$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3295D52C.2305@ver.lld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3295D52C.2305@ver.lld.com>, John Acar wrote: : I am a new user for MS-Kermit. I have a kermit machine set up and I can : ping it from another workstation on my network. I would like to use it as a : remote machine so that a DOS application can be run from outside the : company. However, I do not know how to accomplish this. The manual's : TCP/IP section tells how to set up the connection but does not go into : detail about setting up the machine to actually make the it a host in for : TCP/IP. I would greatly appreciate it if somebody could help me out. : MS-DOS Kermit is a telnet client, not a telnet server. It can not give you a remote DOS session. DOS is not designed to allow that. To give just one example: Suppose you were able to send it a DOS command such as "del *.*" over the Telnet connection. DOS would immediately write "Are you sure?" to the PHYSICAL PC screen and wait for a reply from the PHYSICAL PC keyboard. Your Telnet session would hang until somebody walked up to the keyboard and replied. (And of course they would not even know what they were replying to.) Many, if not most, DOS applications are designed to access the physical screen, keyboard, and possibly mouse, and so can not be used over Telnet sessions. This is why Telnet servers for DOS and Windows systems are not to be found -- or if they are, they are extremely complicated and fragile. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 22 12:45:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA12618 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA11266 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:45:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.gw.com!deshaw.com!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!news From: "TRY AND SEE" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.publish.electronic.misc,comp.robotics.misc,comp.security.misc,comp.sex,comp.specification.misc,comp.std.misc,comp.sys.acorn.misc,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.apple2. 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See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19961122.09 for further details From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 23 08:37:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA28082 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id IAA00610 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 08:37:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tezcat!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!wilbur.ohww.norman.ok.us!news.msfc.nasa.gov!xmission!mail.nemonet.com!sbolting From: sbolting@nemonet.com (Stephen Boltinghouse) Subject: Just try this, it will work Newsgroups: alt.fan.katerena-eiermann,alt.fan.katerena.eiermann,sfnet.tietoliikenne.katko,no.alt.katter,finet.markkinat.kaupalliset,alt.fan.kay-dekker,alt.birdlung.kayak-repair,alt.fan.keanu-reeves,alt.religion.keithians,ais.rec.kenduskeag,alt.fan.kent-montana,alt.bonehead.kent-paul-dolan,soc.culture.kenya,alt.fan.kenya-moore,alt.culture.kerala,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,linux.dev.kernel,finet.freenet.keskustelu,utu.yok.keskustelu,alt.mcdonalds.ketchup,alt.fan.kevin-darcy,alt.fan.kevin-mitnick,alt.fan.kevin-walsh,alt.security.keydist,co.boulder.kgnu,comp.soft-sys.khoros,alt.games.ki,de.sci.ki.discussion,alt.fan.kia-mennie,alt.exploding.kibo,alt.religion.kibology,alt.religion.kibology.second-coming,finet.freenet.kidlink.kidcafe,finet.freenet.kidlink.kidforum,finet.freenet.kidlink.kidleadr,finet.freenet.kidlink.kidproj,alt.support.kidney-failure,alt.tv.kids-in-hall,alt.tv.kids-inc,sfnet.keskustelu.kieli,alt.fan.kieran-snyder,anarch! .lists.kif,fj.sci.lang Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:47:03 GMT Message-ID: <307.896244412754@news.nemonet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.138.176.47 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Organization: The fastest way towards earning money honestly Lines: 142 Xref: news.columbia.edu alt.fan.katerena.eiermann:14 sfnet.tietoliikenne.katko:46 no.alt.katter:563 finet.markkinat.kaupalliset:1349 alt.fan.kay-dekker:64 alt.fan.keanu-reeves:8779 soc.culture.kenya:2584 alt.culture.kerala:22831 comp.protocols.kerberos:7992 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6194 linux.dev.kernel:895 finet.freenet.keskustelu:2032 comp.soft-sys.khoros:13047 alt.games.ki:3989 alt.fan.kia-mennie:548 alt.religion.kibology:139731 finet.freenet.kidlink.kidcafe:583 finet.freenet.kidlink.kidforum:78 finet.freenet.kidlink.kidleadr:82 finet.freenet.kidlink.kidproj:164 alt.support.kidney-failure:1077 alt.tv.kids-in-hall:27754 alt.tv.kids-inc:42 sfnet.keskustelu.kieli:3049 alt.fan.kieran-snyder:1729 fj.sci.lang:243 Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life. The Internet has grown tremendously. It doubles in size every 4 months. think about it. You see those 'Make.Money.Fast' posts more and more. That's ... because it WORKS ! So I thought, all those new users might make it work. And I decided to try it out, a few months ago. Besides, whats $5.00, I spend more than that in the morning on my way to work on coffee and cigs for the day. So I sent in my money and posted. Everyone was calling it a scam, but there are SO many new users from AOL, Netcom, etc. they will join in and make it work for you. Well, two weeks later, I began recieving bucks in the mail! I couldn't believe it! Not just a little, I mean big bucks! At first only a few hundred dollars, then a week later, a couple of thousand, then BOOM. By the end of the fourth week, I had recieved nearly $47,000.00. It came from all over the world. And every bit of it perfectly legal and on the up and up. I've been able to pay off all my bills and still had enough left over for a nice vacation for me and my family. Not only does it work for me, it works for other folks as well. Markus Valppu says he made $57,883 in four weeks. Dave Manning claims he made $53,664 in the same amount of time. Dan Shepstone says it was only $17,000 for him. Do I know these folks? No, but when I read how they say they did it, it made sense to me. Enough sense that I'm taking a similar chance with $5 of my own bucks. Not a big chance, I admit--but one with incredible potential, because $5 is all anyone ever invests in this system. Period. That's all Markus, Dave, or Dan invested, yet their $5 netted them tens of thousands of dollars each, in a safe, legal, completely legitimate way. Here's how it works in 3 easy steps: STEP 1. Invest your $5 by writing your name and address on five seperate pieces of paper along with the words: "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST." (In this way, you're not just sending a dollar to someone; you're paying for a legitimate service.) Fold a $1 bill, money order, or bank note inside each paper, and mail them by standard U. S. Mail to the following five addresses: 1- Fern Suarez Mallorca 112 Hato Rey, P.R., USA, 00917 2- Philippe 2104 De Mexico Chomedey, Laval Quebec, Canada H7M 3C6 3- Natalie Jansen Lancveldlaan 18 5671 CN Nuenen Holland 4- Chad Collier 2785 Cold Springs Rd. #49 Placerville, CA 95667 5- Steve Boltinghouse 1009 Bird St. Hannibal, MO 63401 STEP 2. Now remove the top name from the list, and move the other names up.This way, #5 becomes #4 and so on. Put your name in as the fifth one on the list. STEP 3. Post the article to at least 250 newsgroups. There are at least 19000 newsgroups at any given moment in time. Try posting to as many newsgroups as you can. Remember the more groups you post to, the more people will see your article and send you cash! STEP 4. You are now in business for yourself, and should start seeing returns within 7 to 14 days! Remember, the Internet is new and huge. There is no way you can lose. Now here is how and why this system works: Out of every block of 250 posts I made, I got back 5 responses. Yes, thats right,only 5. You make $5.00 in cash, not checks or money orders, but real cash with your name at #5. Each additional person who sent you $1.00 now also makes 250 additional postings with your name at #4, 1000 postings. On average then, 50 people will send you $1.00 with your name at #4,....$50.00 in your pocket! Now these 50 new people will make 250 postings each with your name at #3 or 10,000 postings. Average return, 500 people= $500. They make 250 postings each with your name at #2= 100,000 postings=5000 returns at $1.00 each=$5,000.00 in cash! Finally, 5,000 people make 250 postings each with your name at #1 and you get a return of $60,000 before your name drops off the list.And that's only if everyone down the line makes only 250 postings each! Your total income for this one cycle is $55,000. From time to time when you see your name is no longer on the list, you take the latest posting you can find and start all over again. The end result depends on you. You must follow through and repost this article everywhere you can think of. The more postings you make, the more cash ends up in your mailbox. It's too easy and too cheap to pass up!!! So thats it. Pretty simple sounding stuff, huh? But believe me, it works. There are millions of people surfing the net every day, all day, all over the world. And 100,000 new people get on the net every day. You know that, you've seen the stories in the paper. So, my friend, read and follow the simple instructions and play fair. Thats the key, and thats all there is to it. Print this out right now so you can refer back to this article easily. Try to keep an eye on all the postings you made to make sure everyone is playing fairly. You know where your name should be. If you're really not sure or still think this can't be for real, then don't do it. But please print this article and pass it along to someone you know who really needs the bucks, and see what happens. REMEMBER....HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY.YOU DON'T NEED TO CHEAT THE BASIC IDEA TO MAKE THE BUCKS! GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND PLEASE PLAY FAIR AND YOU WILL WIN AND MAKE SOME REAL INSTANT FREE CASH! *** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages with your name in the list and not sending the bucks to the people already included, you will not get much. I know someone who did this and only got about $150 (and that's after two months). Then he sent the 5 bills, people added him to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks he had over $10,000! TRY IT AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY!!! :o) !!!!!!!!!! From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 23 12:52:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA06422 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 12:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA07042 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 Nov 1996 12:52:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!ocean.fb12.tu-berlin.de!spamcancel!cyberspam From: sbolting@nemonet.com (Stephen Boltinghouse) Organization: The fastest way towards earning money honestly Newsgroups: alt.fan.katerena-eiermann,alt.fan.katerena.eiermann,sfnet.tietoliikenne.katko,no.alt.katter,finet.markkinat.kaupalliset,alt.fan.kay-dekker,alt.birdlung.kayak-repair,alt.fan.keanu-reeves,alt.religion.keithians,ais.rec.kenduskeag,alt.fan.kent-montana,alt.bonehead.kent-paul-dolan,soc.culture.kenya,alt.fan.kenya-moore,alt.culture.kerala,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,linux.dev.kernel,finet.freenet.keskustelu,utu.yok.keskustelu,alt.mcdonalds.ketchup,alt.fan.kevin-darcy,alt.fan.kevin-mitnick,alt.fan.kevin-walsh,alt.security.keydist,co.boulder.kgnu,comp.soft-sys.khoros,alt.games.ki,de.sci.ki.discussion,alt.fan.kia-mennie,alt.exploding.kibo,alt.religion.kibology,alt.religion.kibology.second-coming,finet.freenet.kidlink.kidcafe,finet.freenet.kidlink.kidforum,finet.freenet.kidlink.kidleadr,finet.freenet.kidlink.kidproj,alt.support.kidney-failure,alt.tv.kids-in-hall,alt.tv.kids-inc,sfnet.keskustelu.kieli,alt.fan.kieran-snyder,anarch! .lists.kif,fj.sci.lang Subject: cmsg cancel <307.896244412754@news.nemonet.com> Message-ID: Control: cancel <307.896244412754@news.nemonet.com> Approved: hw@atlantic.fb12.tu-berlin.de References: <307.896244412754@news.nemonet.com> Lines: 4 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 18:50:28 +1 X-Cancelled-By: hw@atlantic.FB12.TU-Berlin.DE X-No-Archive: Yes MMF chain letter spam cancelled by hw@atlantic.fb12.tu-berlin.de . 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From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 25 03:59:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id DAA01070 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 03:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id DAA27682 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 03:59:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.idt.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!surfnet.nl!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!ubnsrv.unisource.ch!peroni.ita.tip.net!news-server.italia.com!zamboni.dsnet.it!usenet From: eurocom@eurocom.dsnet.it (eurocom) Newsgroups: comp.programming,comp.programming.contests,comp.programming.literate,comp.programming.threads,comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.protocols.dicom,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.iso,comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ,comp.protocols.iso.x400,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.smb,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.time.ntp,comp.publish.cdrom.hardware,comp.publish.cdrom.multimedia,comp.publish.cdrom.software,comp.publish.electronic.misc,comp.publish.prepress,comp.realtime Subject: The MAULE Machine is starting... Date: 24 Nov 1996 23:54:31 GMT Organization: DS NET Lines: 83 Message-ID: <57an7n$jo4@zamboni.dsnet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: eurocom.dsnet.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.programming:36268 comp.programming.contests:2206 comp.programming.literate:3676 comp.programming.threads:3026 comp.protocols.appletalk:22578 comp.protocols.dicom:2167 comp.protocols.ibm:5577 comp.protocols.iso:7599 comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ:1743 comp.protocols.iso.x400:4894 comp.protocols.kerberos:7998 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6195 comp.protocols.misc:6118 comp.protocols.nfs:16280 comp.protocols.pcnet:296 comp.protocols.ppp:18063 comp.protocols.smb:9923 comp.protocols.snmp:7121 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:46365 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains:14354 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:41800 comp.protocols.time.ntp:7951 comp.publish.cdrom.hardware:21705 comp.publish.cdrom.multimedia:9296 comp.publish.cdrom.software:12084 comp.publish.electronic.misc:1540 comp.publish.prepress:21149 comp.realtime:17671 http://www.italia.com/eurocom/maule The MAULE Machine 1.0 Hints ===== The MAULE Machine is a new concept of calculator: it is a - multidisplay - programmable - multiplatform - extensible - distributed - fully free internet tool. You can use it as a trivial calculator or as powerfull computer. The MAULE Machine is based on JavaScript. Trivial Use =========== You can type an expression on the input display such as: (2+2*5)/4 or Math.sin(3.14) then, pressing 'Compute' you will get the answer. Virtual Displays ================ You can use 'Add' to create a new input or output display. When you press the button, all the rows written in the current input display will be evalueated, and the result will be inserted in the current output display. 'First', 'Previous', 'Next' and 'Last' Buttons are used to navigate into the display list. 'Remove' is used to destroy a display. Advanced Use ============ You can use the powerfull of JavaScript for writing programs, using variables, functions, objects and methods. For example you can write: n = 4 m = 1 i=1 for (i=1; i<=n; i++) { m *= i} For more information about JavaScript you can consult the Netscape site (www.netscape.com). You can also use OutWriteLn('string',displayNumber) OutWrite('string',displayNumber) InWriteLn('string',displayNumber) InWrite('string',displayNumber) to insert text in a specified input or output display. If you don't specify a display number the string will appear in the current display. Extensions ========== The power of the MAULE Machine is based on the concept that everyone can develope new functions and tool, such as mathematical, phisics, chemical, etc. This plug-in will be developed and resident on other servers and the user will download it at run-time. The C-Tools is an example of a plug-in for complex numbers!!! Copyrights ========== The MAULE Machine was created by Mauro Lenzi. All copyrights are reserved. The copyrigths of each plugs-in will be of the corresponding author. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 25 13:29:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA13864 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id NAA00918 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:29:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!netnews.nwnet.net!nntp.umt.edu!spot1.fvcc.cc.mt.us!rowens From: Rick Owens Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.8 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:27:24 -0700 Organization: University of Montana Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <572uoo$qus$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: spot1.fvcc.cc.mt.us Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <572uoo$qus$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> On 22 Nov 1996, Frank da Cruz wrote: > > Version 1.1.8 of Kermit 95 serial and network communications software for > Windows 95 and NT is now available from the Kermit Project at Columbia > University. Has anyone else installed this and had problems? I was at 1.1.6 on Friday and patched up to 1.1.7, then 1.1.8, and I'm getting some strange behavior: * Once in a while Kermit will crash on startup; Win95 puts up a message about 'This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down' or words to that effect. This doesn't happen all the time, but it never happened before Friday. Asking for details give a message about 'K95 caused an invalid page fault in module K95.EXE at 0137:0045e216.' followed by register values etc. Exiting other applications seems to cure the symptom for a short while. * When connecting to AIX machines, I get the normal login herald. When connecting to FreeBSD and BSDI hosts, however, I get no herald or login prompt; instead I get the 'Password:' prompt. If I hit Enter I get a login prompt and everything seems to work. Since I try various experiments on my station from time to time it's quite possible that something was messed up and Kermit tickled a bug. OTOH, the timing is a bit suspicious - I've not changed anything else in the last few days. So I figured I should ask here first.... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Owens | FVCC, Kalispell, MT, USA, Sol 3 #include "Close your eyes and press ESC three times." -------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 25 14:01:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA21702 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id OAA01807 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:01:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.8 Date: 25 Nov 1996 19:00:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <57cqcv$5fo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <572uoo$qus$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: kermit-support@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Rick Owens wrote: : Has anyone else installed this and had problems? I was at 1.1.6 on Friday : and patched up to 1.1.7, then 1.1.8, and I'm getting some strange behavior: : : * Once in a while Kermit will crash on startup; Win95 puts up a message : about 'This program has performed an illegal operation and will be : shut down' or words to that effect. This doesn't happen all the time, : but it never happened before Friday. Asking for details give a message : about 'K95 caused an invalid page fault in module K95.EXE at : 0137:0045e216.' followed by register values etc. Exiting other : applications seems to cure the symptom for a short while. There appears to be problem with the old SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET command when the character-set chosen is TRANSPARENT. Use the new SET TERMINAL REMOTE-CHARACTER-SET command instead. Contact kermit-support@columbia.edu if this does not solve the problem. : * When connecting to AIX machines, I get the normal login herald. When : connecting to FreeBSD and BSDI hosts, however, I get no herald or login : prompt; instead I get the 'Password:' prompt. If I hit Enter I get a : login prompt and everything seems to work. Version 1.1.8 support TELNET NEW-ENVIRONMENT negotiations. So do your FreeBSD, BSDI, and Linux hosts. They are asking Kermit to send your userid and so K95 is sending your Windows username if it knows it. Therefore, your host only prompts for your password. If your Unix login name is different from your Windows username, use either the SET TELNET ENVIRONMENT USER or SET LOGIN USER commands to specify your username. In the dialer, fillin your username on the Login page of the settings notebook. : Since I try various experiments on my station from time to time it's quite : possible that something was messed up and Kermit tickled a bug. OTOH, the : timing is a bit suspicious - I've not changed anything else in the last : few days. So I figured I should ask here first.... No problem. Kermit does so many things it is impossible to catch every possible situation in our testcases. Jeffrey Altman * Kermit Development Group * Columbia University * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 25 14:05:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA22368 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id OAA01969 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:05:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.8 Date: 25 Nov 1996 19:05:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 58 Message-ID: <57cqla$5qp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <572uoo$qus$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Rick Owens wrote: : On 22 Nov 1996, Frank da Cruz wrote: : > Version 1.1.8 of Kermit 95 serial and network communications software for : > Windows 95 and NT is now available from the Kermit Project at Columbia : > University. : : Has anyone else installed this and had problems? I was at 1.1.6 on Friday : and patched up to 1.1.7, then 1.1.8, and I'm getting some strange behavior: : : * Once in a while Kermit will crash on startup; Win95 puts up a message : about 'This program has performed an illegal operation and will be : shut down' or words to that effect. This doesn't happen all the time, : but it never happened before Friday. : It seems that no matter how thoroughly a release is beta tested, a bug will show up in the final release. We'll have a patch for this one shortly. It happens when you are using ANSI, SCOANSI, AT386, or Avatar emulation, in which character sets are not translated by default. To work around: SET TERMINAL REMOTE-CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT (or other) and don't use the SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET any more. In other words, use SET TERM REMOTE-CHARACTER-SET and SET TERM LOCAL-CHARACTER-SET instead of SET TERM CHARACTER-SET . The other bug we have learned about, and will also patch quickly, has to do with lack of translation of accented characters, etc, from the keyboard to the host. I think this one happens only in NT. To work around: SET TERMINAL UNICODE OFF : * When connecting to AIX machines, I get the normal login herald. When : connecting to FreeBSD and BSDI hosts, however, I get no herald or login : prompt; instead I get the 'Password:' prompt. If I hit Enter I get a : login prompt and everything seems to work. : It's a new feature: version 1.1.8 supports the TELNET NEW-ENVIRONMENT protocol, by which the client tells the server various things, including its user's user ID. You'll see this effect with any Telnet server that supports this protocol. Linux is another example. Another feature that might surprise some people is the new TELNET terminal-type negotiation (in the true sense of "negotiation"). Example: I set K95's terminal type to SCOANSI and Telnet to My Favorite Host, then suddenly and mysteriously K95's emulation "drops down" to (plain old) ANSI. It's not a bug. K95 said "my terminal type is SCOANSI"; the host said "Never heard of it; how about ANSI, can you do that?"; K95 said "Sure thing" and changed its type to ANSI. But (you say) "SCOANSI emulation worked fine before!" The problem is that the name by which the Telnet client and server refer to the terminal must be the same. So either add SCOANSI as a synonym in whatever termcap/terminfo entry you were using before, or else tell K95 to "set telnet terminal-type" to the termcap/terminfo entry name that is used on the host. - Frank P.S. Get faster service by reporting problems to kermit-support@columbia.edu. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 26 20:23:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA02490 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 20:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id UAA07230 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Nov 1996 20:23:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!express.ior.com!cnn.isc-br.com!tau-ceti!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 24 Nov 1996 23:54:31 GMT From: briana@tau-ceti.isc-br.com Newsgroups: comp.programming,comp.programming.contests,comp.programming.literate,comp.programming.threads,comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.protocols.dicom,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.iso,comp.protocols.iso.dev-environ,comp.protocols.iso.x400,comp.protocols.kerberos,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.smb,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.time.ntp,comp.publish.cdrom.hardware,comp.publish.cdrom.multimedia,comp.publish.cdrom.software,comp.publish.electronic.misc,comp.publish.prepress,comp.realtime Message-ID: Control: cancel <57an7n$jo4@zamboni.dsnet.it> Subject: cmsg cancel <57an7n$jo4@zamboni.dsnet.it> Sender: eurocom@eurocom.dsnet.it (eurocom) X-Cancelled-By: briana@tau-ceti.isc-br.com Lines: 1 Original Subject: The MAULE Machine is starting... From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 27 13:06:24 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA23403 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id NAA21574 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:06:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!news.nstn.ca!thor.atcon.com!not-for-mail From: "Lyle Fisher" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 5A on OpenVMS Alpha Date: 27 Nov 1996 17:17:06 GMT Organization: Bowater Mersey Paper Company Lines: 6 Message-ID: <57ht2i$c8h$1@thor.atcon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.126.220.137 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 I am running OpenVMS 6.2 on a Digital Alpha 2100. I just received my C-Kermit 5A tape from Columbia University. My MAKE utility is bombing. Has anyone been able to get C-Kermit running on a similar platform. I sure would like a MAKE utility that works. You can e-mail me at: mcinnissp@bowinc.com Thanks... Sean From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 27 13:50:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA02392 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id NAA22750 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:50:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A on OpenVMS Alpha Date: 27 Nov 1996 18:49:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <57i2fn$lal$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <57ht2i$c8h$1@thor.atcon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <57ht2i$c8h$1@thor.atcon.com>, Lyle Fisher wrote: : I am running OpenVMS 6.2 on a Digital Alpha 2100. I just received my : C-Kermit 5A tape from Columbia University. My MAKE utility is bombing. : Has anyone been able to get C-Kermit running on a similar platform. : I sure would like a MAKE utility that works. : Reports like this are what kermit-support@columbia.edu is for. Lyle and I are in direct touch now and resolving the problem. He is running DEC C 5.5 (brand new) and the compiler itself is crashing. NOT a Kermit problem, but one which we want to resolve anyway. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 27 20:51:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA17734 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id UAA03309 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:51:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!biosci!biosci!not-for-mail From: phil@cnam.fr (Philippe Provost) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: looking for a KERMIT object Date: 27 Nov 1996 17:31:27 -0800 Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Molecular Biology Lines: 18 Sender: biohelp@net.bio.net Message-ID: <57aj2t$8t@pauli.cnam.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: net.bio.net Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.next.misc:48066 comp.sys.next.software:29050 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6201 hello, We are looking for an object which encapsulates the kermit protocol. We want to use it to control robots that do blood dry analysis. we know nothing of kermit, and don t want to know it. hence our quest for such object that will give us the opportunity to "talk" which the robots (these automates have a built-in Kermit-only protocol). Thank you to point us to all useful pointers (commercial, freeware,shareware). Thank you to reply to phil@cnam.fr (we don t consult newsgroups very often) Philippe From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 28 06:16:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id GAA20908 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 06:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id GAA00736 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 06:16:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!194.20.35.13!news.vol.it!peroni.ita.tip.net!venere.inet.it!usenet From: rober@proxys.it (Roberto Perelli) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Long pauses in file transfer on X.25 network Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 10:50:36 GMT Organization: PROXYS Srl Lines: 12 Message-ID: <57jqoi$3pni@venere.inet.it> Reply-To: rober@proxys.it NNTP-Posting-Host: proxys.inet.it X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I'm using K95 on SPRINTNET network with X.28 dialup connection. During file transfer scripts, when a command of change remote directory is issued the process pauses for 5-10 seconds. I've set X.3 parameters in this way: 2:0, 3:6, 4:1, 5:1, 6:0, 7:0, 8:0, 9:0, 10:0, 12:1 Does anybody have any suggestion in order to avoid these pauses? Any help will be appreciated, thanks in advance! Roberto Perelli -- rober@proxys.it From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 28 10:41:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA22713 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 10:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id KAA12712 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 10:41:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.software,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: looking for a KERMIT object Date: 28 Nov 1996 15:41:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <57kbqn$5le$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <57aj2t$8t@pauli.cnam.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.next.misc:48069 comp.sys.next.software:29061 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6203 In article <57aj2t$8t@pauli.cnam.fr>, Philippe Provost wrote: : We are looking for an object which encapsulates the kermit protocol. : We want to use it to control robots that do blood dry analysis. : we know nothing of kermit, and don t want to know it. hence our quest for : such object that will give us the opportunity to "talk" which the robots : (these automates have a built-in Kermit-only protocol). : We don't supply "Kermit objects", DLLs, etc. Nevertheless, we have designed most of our Kermit programs to be usable in embedded applications. Please contact us directly details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 28 10:59:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA24773 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 10:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id KAA13095 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 10:59:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Long pauses in file transfer on X.25 network Date: 28 Nov 1996 15:59:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-ID: <57kcsd$6ak$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <57jqoi$3pni@venere.inet.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <57jqoi$3pni@venere.inet.it>, Roberto Perelli wrote: : I'm using K95 on SPRINTNET network with X.28 dialup connection. : During file transfer scripts, when a command of change remote : directory is issued the process pauses for 5-10 seconds. : I've set X.3 parameters in this way: : 2:0, 3:6, 4:1, 5:1, 6:0, 7:0, 8:0, 9:0, 10:0, 12:1 : 2:0 = PAD doesn't echo 3:6 = Forward packet on CR, ESC, BEL, ENQ, ACK 4:1 = Idle timer delay: forward data after 1/20 second idle time 5:1 = PAD is using Xon/Xoff 6:0 = Suppress PAD service signals 7:0 = PAD Break action none 8:0 = No discard output 9:0 = No padding after carriage return 10:0 = No line folding 12:1 = DTE is using Xon/Xoff : Does anybody have any suggestion in order to avoid these pauses? : Are you using K95 in Windows 95? (As opposed to NT?) If so, you should be aware that Xon/Xoff DOES NOT WORK in Windows 95. It is a Microsoft bug. See BUGS.DOC item 45. You must use either RTS/CTS flow control or no flow control in K95. For example, RTS/CTS between K95 and your modem, and then Xon/Xoff between the other modem and the PAD. Then you might try making the following changes to your PAD parameters: 3:2 4:0 This says to forward data only upon receipt of a carriage return, which is Kermit's packet terminator. This way, you won't have each character from a Kermit packet using an entire X.25 packet. During terminal connection, however, you probably want to put these parameters back to their original values, so characters will be sent, and their echoes returned, as you type them. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 28 15:21:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA05828 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 15:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA19859 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 15:21:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vic.com!news From: trythis@money.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Please Help!!! Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 20:25:48 GMT Organization: Virtual Interactive Center Lines: 56 Message-ID: <329df540.87196076@news.inet-direct.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.128.111.231 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Thanks for taking the time to read this message! This is about a lady that gave all she could to everyone, including me. Her name is Wendy. When I was young she became my foster mother after my real mother had abandon me. Never having any kids of her own she became a foster parent. That I got to be in her care was probably the best thing that had ever happened to me. She had other foster children and even ended up taking care of many of the neighborhood kids. Wendy is a lady that just never gave up and always gave more than anyone could imagine. I no longer think of my real mother as mother but rather Wendy as my only true mother. I know that I'm not the only one that thinks that way either. It wasn't just kids that she helped it included the elderly, the disabled and the just down and out. What it takes to qualify for a saint is something I never found out, but I know it can't be more than the things I saw this lady do for anybody. Even people that had wronged her could find themselves looking up at her while she helped them when they were down. I'm 26 now and many of the things I'm telling you I never really realized until now. Since I was a kid she has helped me with everything from recovering from my mistakes to just being there to say "You can do it... It'll be okay." I've never been able to make a good attempt at trying to repay her for all she's done for me and I'm not alone. Many people just have taken for granted the things she's done for them. I know by now you're asking yourself why I've posted this letter. Well, to be honest and straight with you it's because I would like your help. If there's one thing that I've learned from Wendy it's that, "We are our neighbors keepers." You know the golden rule, "Do onto others as you would have them do onto you." Anyway now Wendy is an older lady that is disabled and can't do as much as she used to. With the disability sometimes expenses can be too much. I now live in Arkansas and can't be of much help. With no real family I'd like to do something to try to repay all she done for me and many others. That's were you come in. See if you can think back to someone that helped you no matter how big or small. Maybe it's someone you can't even remember or have lost touch with. For that moment picture Wendy and say, "I'd like to repay that kindness." I wish you would sit down and write a small note saying "Thanks for being the generous person that you have been!" If you could include something to help out. Maybe it's a five dollar bill, a book of stamps, even a dollar. Oh and would you also tell her the Steffin sends his love. Her birthday is next month on the 27th and I'm hoping I can make this own a very memorable one. Thanks for reading and if you choose to help God pless you. Her address is Wendy Mcghee 9636 Elm Taylor, Mi 48180 From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 28 16:25:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA15539 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 16:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id QAA21472 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Nov 1996 16:25:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!cyberspam!usenet Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: trythis@money.com Date: 28 Nov 1996 15:41:51 EST Control: cancel <329df540.87196076@news.inet-direct.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <329df540.87196076@news.inet-direct.com> no reply ignore Message-ID: X-Cancelled-By: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu X-No-Archive: Yes Lines: 3 Spam cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was Please Help!!! From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 29 19:04:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA28191 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 1996 19:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id TAA20713 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Nov 1996 19:04:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!jshin From: jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: zmodem transfer using c-kermit Date: 29 Nov 1996 23:53:05 GMT Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 23 Message-ID: <57nt11$mb8@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: aruba.ccit.arizona.edu hi, i'm trying to use zmodem protocol to transfer files for dial-up connection, but i get the following errors whenever i tried to use zomdem protocol. [/usr/users/jshin/temp] C-Kermit>rec /dev/tty: No such device or address ?Command exit status: 1 any clues? here's the detailed platform info. DECstation 5000 w/ ultrix 4.5 dialup via /dev/tty00 C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for DECstation/ULTRIX Numeric: 600192 - jae p.s. btw, i don't have any problem from linux box for the same task. (i don't have any problem From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 30 18:14:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA21952 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 18:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id SAA13671 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 18:14:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!usc!newshub.cts.com!news From: btr@trenet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Be a Beta Tester! Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 23:08:37 GMT Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 3 Message-ID: <32273371.1648194@nntp.cts.com> Reply-To: btr@trenet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p48042.cts.com Be a Beta Tester! http://www.trenet.com/btr From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 30 19:59:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA09947 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 19:59:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id TAA16232 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 19:59:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing C-Kermit 6.0 Date: 1 Dec 1996 00:58:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <57ql8c$i50$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu C-Kermit 6.0 is released. The announcement is on comp.protocols.kermit.announce. The C-Kermit files have all been moved from the kermit/test area on kermit.columbia.edu to the regular place: kermit/f, kermit/bin, and kermit/archives. The new second edition of "Using C-Kermit" is ready, and there is a whole new C-Kermit 6.0 world on the Kermit Web site at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html We have about 100 new binaries, but more are needed. If you can send them in, please let me know. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 30 22:18:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA28739 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 22:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id WAA19681 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Nov 1996 22:18:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!cyberspam!usenet Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: btr@trenet.com Date: 30 Nov 1996 21:58:19 EST Control: cancel <32273371.1648194@nntp.cts.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <32273371.1648194@nntp.cts.com> no reply ignore Message-ID: X-Cancelled-By: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu X-No-Archive: Yes Lines: 3 Spam cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was Be a Beta Tester! From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 2 03:58:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id DAA03272 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 03:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id DAA23908 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 03:58:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.interactive.net!node2.frontiernet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!djwhome.demon.co.uk!david From: david@djwhome.demon.co.uk (David Woolley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: zmodem transfer using c-kermit Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 16:45:46 GMT Organization: Demon Subscriber at Home Lines: 15 Sender: news@djwhome.demon.co.uk (news) Message-ID: References: <57nt11$mb8@news.ccit.arizona.edu> X-Mail2News-User: news@djwhome.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: djwhome.demon.co.uk In article <57nt11$mb8@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, Jae H Shin wrote: > >[/usr/users/jshin/temp] C-Kermit>rec >/dev/tty: No such device or address You are using a version of rzsz which is not licensed for such use. Either license something like Omen's Professional YAMM, or use the pre 1988 version of Z-modem (or the recent Gnu bug fix of it). -- David Woolley, London, England david@djwhome.demon.co.uk (Sending any email to this site constitutes a licence to copy it to any company which might reasonably be assumed to have transported it or might reasonably be assumed to service any addresses quoted in it. 15Sep1996) From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 2 09:15:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA24682 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 09:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id JAA20594 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 09:15:33 -0500 (EST) From: SCHOFFSTALL@earth.ALLEGHENY.EDU (Schoffstall) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Failure to communicate with a PCMCIA modem Message-ID: X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.1.1 BETA VMS) NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.17.30.2 Date: 2 Dec 96 13:54:29 GMT Lines: 29 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!news.allegheny.edu!SCHOFFSTALL -- I've been trying to help a colleague install Kermit 3.14 on a Canon Innova Book 1100 laptop with a Compaq SpeedPaq 192s modem, running in a DOS window under Win95. Can't get Kermit to find the modem. Win95 finds the modem on Int 15. Reassigning the modem to Com1 results in a device conflict complaint from Win95, although there is no physical device on Com1. Somehow, after screwing around with the setup for a few hours, we got the thing to actually accesss the modem and make a call -- and thought we had the problem solved. But when we tried it again, without -- apparently -- changing anything, it couldn't find the modem again. Don't what know what happened. I would prefer to use Kermit. We're connecting to our institutional VAX, which uses VT 3xx emulation, and apps running other VT emulations have problems. Uses C-Kermit for file transfer, too, which interacts poorly with third-party implementions of the Kermit protocol. Suggestions? John Schoffstall, M.D., aka schoffstall@allegheny.edu Department of Emergency Medicine Allegheny University of the Health Sciences, Philadelphia, PA "When all think alike, no one thinks very much." -- Walter Lippman From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 2 11:24:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA20669 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 11:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id LAA23840 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 11:24:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.ipf.net!news.profi.net!bambam.wmsoft.com!usenet From: ges@gse.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Connecting to a HP 1000/RTE-A Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 16:55:34 +0100 Organization: GSE Gesellschaft fuer Software-Engineering mbH Lines: 11 Message-ID: <32A2FBF6.1F5E@gse.de> Reply-To: ges@gse.de NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.77.218.153 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) I'm trying to establish a kermit-connection between PentiumPro/NT-machine and a HP 1000/RTE-A via serial line. The connection works except that the NT-kermit didn't recognize the end of the file sent form the HP1000-kermit. The file will be completely copied but at the end the NT-kermit times out. Unfortunately there is no documentation for the HP 1000-kermit. Has anyone an idea how to configure both kermits? Where can I get the latest version of kermit for HP1000/RTE-A? Thank you for your reply (ges@gse.de) From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 2 12:25:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA12165 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:25:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA25341 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:25:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to a HP 1000/RTE-A Date: 2 Dec 1996 17:24:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <57v3c5$8p2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32A2FBF6.1F5E@gse.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32A2FBF6.1F5E@gse.de>, wrote: : I'm trying to establish a kermit-connection between : PentiumPro/NT-machine and a HP 1000/RTE-A via serial line. : The connection works except that the NT-kermit didn't recognize the end : of the file sent form the HP1000-kermit. The file will be completely : copied but at the end the NT-kermit times out. Unfortunately there is no : documentation for the HP 1000-kermit. : : Where can I get the latest version of kermit for HP1000/RTE-A? : We have the following versions of Kermit for the HP-1000 at our ftp site, kermit.columbia.edu. Prefix, Operating Program Program Released Tape Machine System Language Version yy/mm/dd Contributor HPM D HP-1000 RTE6 F77 & Asm 1.99D 90/01/09 E-Systems Inc HPM D HP-1000 RTEA F77 & Asm 1.99D 90/01/09 E-Systems Inc They are in kermit/d/hpm*.*. Among these files is a 21K help file, and a 5K file of installation instructions. Maybe these will help? If not, you have the source code -- if corrections are needed, feel free to make them and send the results back to us. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 2 18:31:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA02607 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 18:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id SAA05017 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 18:31:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!red.seas.upenn.edu!lukin From: lukin@red.seas.upenn.edu (Jarid B Lukin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: Using DIS_PKT9 with Windows95 Date: 2 Dec 1996 23:16:30 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 10 Message-ID: <57vo0e$483@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: red.seas.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6213 comp.protocols.misc:6145 In looking at the kermit documentation it talks about "shims that convert between one "standard" and another," such as the latest version of Joe Doupnik's DIS_PKT9. Will this work with Windows 95? If so, how? Must we edit the protocol.ini file? Does an .inf file exist for Windows95? If anyone has been able to do this or knows of a way, please respond thru email. Thanks in advance. --Jarid Lukin lukin@seas.upenn.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 3 09:56:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA03742 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id JAA16957 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:56:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news From: Lieven Tomme Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 set modem command Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 15:43:21 +0100 Organization: LVD Company n.v. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <32A43C89.4FCF16CF@lvd.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: lvdcomp.eunet.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; Linux 1.1.59 i486) Hello, Under K95 on a Windows 95 platform, I have the following script, invoked b y a shortcut (kermit -y com2.ini) : set modem type hayes-2400 set port com2 set speed 9600 set server get-path c:/winbend/23112/brake c:/winbend23112/die etc. set file download c:/winbend/23112/tmp server When a kermit client (hooked up by means of a serial line without involved modems) requests a particular file, everything works fine. However, by replacing set modem type hayes-2400 with set modem type none as I am supposed to do, no communication occurs. Although the simplicity, I am wondering if I overlooked something. Any suggetions ? Thanks :-) Lieven From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 3 10:10:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA07083 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id KAA17363 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:10:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 set modem command Date: 3 Dec 1996 15:10:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <581fse$rp8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32A43C89.4FCF16CF@lvd.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32A43C89.4FCF16CF@lvd.be>, Lieven Tomme wrote: : Under K95 on a Windows 95 platform, I have the following script, : invoked b y a shortcut (kermit -y com2.ini) : : : set modem type hayes-2400 : set port com2 : set speed 9600 : set server get-path c:/winbend/23112/brake c:/winbend23112/die etc. : set file download c:/winbend/23112/tmp : server : : When a kermit client (hooked up by means of a serial line without : involved modems) requests a particular file, everything works : fine. However, by replacing : : set modem type hayes-2400 : : with : : set modem type none : : as I am supposed to do, no communication occurs. Although the : simplicity, I am wondering if I overlooked something. : Evidently your null modem cable does not have CD and DTR cross-connected in both directions, so K95 thinks there is no carrier, and therefore no connection. This is OK when using modems, as there is *supposed* to be no carrier until after you successfully dial. Solutions: (1) fix the cable, or (2) tell K95 to "set carrier off". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 3 11:48:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA14363 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:48:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id LAA19934 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:48:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!surfnet.nl!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!ubnsrv.unisource.ch!newssrv.ita.tip.net!i2unix!cesi!meregalli From: meregalli@cesi.it (Alberto Meregalli (DIF)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Random login prompt with K95 Message-ID: <1996Dec3.161932.1217@cesi> Date: 3 Dec 96 16:19:32 +0100 Organization: Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano, Milano, Italy Lines: 40 Hello! After having installed the new patch to upgrade K95 to 1.1.8 we have some strange behaviour that I've investigated with a Sniffer. I've seemingly found something questionable that I'd like to show. First of all our environment: we use K95 to Telnet to a VMS host with VMS 6.1 and Cisco Multinet V3.5B. What the user sees is that the "Username:" prompt doesn't appear regularly, but rather randomly. What seems to be apparent in the sniffer captures is that while many option negotiations go on the VAX always immediately refuses the NEW-ENVIRONMENT option, but all data sent out by it before K95 acknowledges that with a WON'T NEW-ENVIRONMENT are not revealed to the user. So if the VAX delays a little sending out the prompt, that's shown to the user, otherwise it is lost. While looking at that I've found also something else strange, namely: - option 31 (Negotiate About Window Size): it is "negotiated" up to four times: that is K95 sends out up to four times the same 80 columns x 24 lines dimension - option 3 (Suppress Go-Ahead): K95 answers DO to the WILL of Multinet and then, after some messages, repeats its DO - options 32 (Terminal speed) 33 (Toggle flow) and 35 (X-display location): K95 answers WONT to the WILLs from Multinet. Multinet acknowledges with DONT. Some messages later K95 issues anew the WONTs. Of course I've mentioned these facts only for completeness. My concern is for the first problem, because the intermitting "Username:" prompt is very annoying for the users. I thank you in advance. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alberto Meregalli, DIF tel. +39 2 2125 249 CESI, Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano fax +39 2 2125 520 Via Rubattino, 54 - I 20134 Milano E-mail: meregalli@cesi.it From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 3 12:02:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA17613 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA20303 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:02:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Random login prompt with K95 Date: 3 Dec 1996 17:01:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 56 Message-ID: <581mdn$3lf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Dec3.161932.1217@cesi> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Dec3.161932.1217@cesi>, Alberto Meregalli (DIF) wrote: : After having installed the new patch to upgrade K95 to 1.1.8 we have : some strange behaviour that I've investigated with a Sniffer. I've : seemingly found something questionable that I'd like to show. : : First of all our environment: we use K95 to Telnet to a VMS host with : VMS 6.1 and Cisco Multinet V3.5B. : : What the user sees is that the "Username:" prompt doesn't appear : regularly, but rather randomly. What seems to be apparent in the : sniffer captures is that while many option negotiations go on the VAX : always immediately refuses the NEW-ENVIRONMENT option, but all data : sent out by it before K95 acknowledges that with a WON'T : NEW-ENVIRONMENT are not revealed to the user. So if the VAX delays a : little sending out the prompt, that's shown to the user, otherwise it : is lost. : Can you send us a K95 debug log demonstrating this problem? Tell K95 to "log debug", send the debug.log file by email to: kermit-support@columbia.edu Meanwhile, if you want to suppress TELNET NEW-ENVIRONMENT negotiations, you can give the following command to K95: SET LOGIN USER : While looking at that I've found also something else strange, namely: : : - option 31 (Negotiate About Window Size): it is "negotiated" up to : four times: that is K95 sends out up to four times the same 80 columns : x 24 lines dimension : We allow each option to be negotiated up to four times to allow for firewalls. It's a feature :-) : - option 3 (Suppress Go-Ahead): K95 answers DO to the WILL of Multinet : and then, after some messages, repeats its DO : We'll check this. : - options 32 (Terminal speed) 33 (Toggle flow) and 35 (X-display : location): K95 answers WONT to the WILLs from Multinet. Multinet : acknowledges with DONT. Some messages later K95 issues anew the WONTs. : We'll check this too. : Of course I've mentioned these facts only for completeness. My concern : is for the first problem, because the intermitting "Username:" prompt : is very annoying for the users. : Thanks for the report. Please try the suggested workaround. Follow up directly to kermit-support@columbia.edu for faster service. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 3 12:51:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA00287 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA21531 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:51:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Failure to communicate with a PCMCIA modem Message-ID: <1996Dec3.100755.90042@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Dec 96 10:07:55 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 In article , SCHOFFSTALL@earth.ALLEGHENY.EDU (Schoffstall) writes: > -- > I've been trying to help a colleague install Kermit 3.14 on a Canon Innova > Book 1100 laptop with a Compaq SpeedPaq 192s modem, running in a DOS > window under Win95. Can't get Kermit to find the modem. Win95 finds the > modem on Int 15. Reassigning the modem to Com1 results in a device > conflict complaint from Win95, although there is no physical device on > Com1. Please check the release docs of MS-DOS Kermit regarding what's "COM1" versus the real numbers involved. You mean IRQ 15 (not Int 15, two very different things technically), and a modem there would be very very unusual. > Somehow, after screwing around with the setup for a few hours, we got the > thing to actually accesss the modem and make a call -- and thought we had > the problem solved. But when we tried it again, without -- apparently -- > changing anything, it couldn't find the modem again. Don't what know what > happened. I strongly recommend contacting Canon and Compaq regarding your laptop. Laptops tend to be highly irregular objects and components often don't work when mixed together. There is nothing we in the Kermit project can do to rectify the hardware/software situation on that machine. > I would prefer to use Kermit. We're connecting to our institutional VAX, > which uses VT 3xx emulation, and apps running other VT emulations have > problems. Uses C-Kermit for file transfer, too, which interacts poorly > with third-party implementions of the Kermit protocol. Or, putting this the right way round, there are many third party implementations of the Kermit protocol which do a poor job of it. Joe D. > > Suggestions? > > John Schoffstall, M.D., aka schoffstall@allegheny.edu > Department of Emergency Medicine > Allegheny University of the Health Sciences, Philadelphia, PA > "When all think alike, no one thinks very much." -- Walter Lippman > > From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 3 14:06:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA18554 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id OAA23556 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:06:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.wildstar.net!cancer.vividnet.com!news11.agis.net!agis!newsgod1.agis.net!agis!newspeer1.agis.net!agis!news.burgoyne.com!news From: "John L. Jones" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with 132 columns under Windows 3.1 Date: 3 Dec 1996 18:16:46 GMT Organization: Utah Transit Authority Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bbe145$f49acf80$286ca4cd@jljones> NNTP-Posting-Host: sl30.burgoyne.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 We have a problem running Kermit 3.14 under Windows 3.x and being able to view 132 columns on a VMS box. We can view 80 or 132 columns when Kermit runs on DOS, but when we get into Windows everything falls apart. Please let me know if anyone has any ideas on this. The command that we enter under VMS to get the 132 columns is SET TERM/WIDTH=132 or SET TERM/WIDTH=80 Thank you in advance for your attention. John Jljones@burgoyne.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 3 14:17:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA20917 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id OAA23796 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:17:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with 132 columns under Windows 3.1 Date: 3 Dec 1996 19:17:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 171 Message-ID: <581ubf$9sv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bbe145$f49acf80$286ca4cd@jljones> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bbe145$f49acf80$286ca4cd@jljones>, John L. Jones wrote: : We have a problem running Kermit 3.14 under Windows 3.x and being able to : view 132 columns on a VMS box. We can view 80 or 132 columns when Kermit : runs on DOS, but when we get into Windows everything falls apart. : : Please let me know if anyone has any ideas on this. The command that we : enter under VMS to get the 132 columns is SET TERM/WIDTH=132 or SET : TERM/WIDTH=80 : Everything we know on this topic is written down in the file KERMIT.UPD that is in your MS-DOS Kermit directory. I reproduce it here for your convenience: (16) WIDE SCREENS AND HORIZONTAL SCROLLING Kermit changes between 80 and 132 column mode at host request (CSI ? 3 h / l) or when you give an explicit SET TERMINAL WIDTH { 80, 132 } command. Until version 3.13, 132-column screens were possible only on PCs with video adapters that have a 132-column text mode. Now MS-DOS Kermit also includes support for DEC VT 132-column mode and Data General compressed text on EGA and VGA video adapters that do not have a 132-column text mode, by entering graphics mode and writing the characters dot by dot. 128 columns are displayed rather than 132 due to the PC's screen geometry but you can use MS-DOS Kermit's horizontal scrolling feature to see the rightmost 4 columns. Wide screens are handled according to the following commands: SET TERMINAL VIDEO-CHANGE {ENABLED, DISABLED, DOS-ONLY} Enable or disable the video screen from switching between 80 and 132 columns. By default, this is enabled in DOS only (DOS-ONLY). Video-mode switching can wreak havoc on some (but not all) PCs when done in a Microsoft Windows window and so by default video-mode switching is disabled in Windows. Use ENABLED to enable it AT YOUR OWN RISK. If it works, Windows will probably force Kermit into a fullscreen session. If it doesn't work, then disable it again and use horizontal scrolling instead, or run Kermit under plain DOS or in a fullscreen DOS window under Windows. v3.14. SET TERMINAL COMPRESSED-TEXT {GRAPHICS, TEXT} Tells whether Kermit should use text (fast) or graphics (slow) mode for compressed text (wide screens). By default, it will use whichever method it thinks is appropriate to your video adapter. Graphics is allowed on EGA, VGA or higher video systems. v3.13. Text mode will not actually display compressed text unless your video adapter supports this function, but Kermit's virtual screen is adjusted to the terminal-emulation width. For example, if your screen shows 80 characters per line, but your terminal width is 132, then wrapping occurs at column 132 (perhaps off the screen) rather than column 80, and Kermit reports its screen width as 132 (e.g. in response to a report-request escape sequence). Of course, for 132-column operation, it is always better if your video adapter supports 132 columns directly -- the video board does all the work, which is much faster than writing screen dots in software! This works if Kermit knows which kind of video adapter you have (Kermit determines this from a hopefully unique "signature" in the video BIOS, provided it has not been hidden from Kermit by Windows or your memory manager, see KERMIT.BWR). Here is a list of such boards: ATI EGA and VGA Wonder AST, Dell, and other boards based on Western Digital VGA boards AT&T / Olivetti Everex Viewpoint EV-659, FVGA-673, EV-678, Micro Enhancer Deluxe IBM SVGA (= Tseng ET4000, e.g. on PS/ValuePoint) IBM XGA Paradise AutoSwitch EGA Mono Paradise Professional Paradise VGA Plus 16 (ROM BIOS 003056-xxx firmware) Paradise VGA Plus (ROM BIOS 003056-xxx firmware) Paradise VGA Professional (ROM BIOS 003056-xxx firmware) Paradise VGA1024 STB VGA/EM (Tseng TVGA) STB VGA/EM Plus (Tseng 4000), VGA/EM-16, VGA/EM-16 Plus Tseng Labs EVA board with 132-column kit installed Tseng Labs UltraPAK mono/Hercules with 132 column modes Tseng Labs ET4000 SVGA VESA-compatible video BIOS Video 7 Vega Deluxe with 132X25.COM driver installed and Video 7 VGA If you have an adapter capable of 132-column operation, but Kermit does not know how to activate it, set up your COLS132.BAT and COLS80.BAT files to do the switching, as described in "Using MS-DOS Kermit". For Data General DASHER terminal emulation, screen widths up to 207 are supported for purposes of horizontal scrolling. DG terminal emulation is in text mode by default. As soon as the host commands the terminal to display compressed text, Kermit switches the entire screen to 132-column text mode if your video adapter supports it, and otherwise switches to (slower) graphics mode. As in VT terminal emulation, this behavior is controlled by the SET TERMINAL COMPRESSED-TEXT command. Unlike VT terminals, DASHER terminals (and MS-DOS Kermit, when in graphics mode) can display compressed and regular text on the screen at the same time. (16.1) WIDE SCREENS AND ROLLBACK Normally, Kermit only keeps 80 columns in its screen-rollback memory. If you want to be able to roll back screens of 132 (or, for DG terminal emulation, up to 207) columns, you must set the KERMIT environment variable WIDTH to 132 (or the desired number) in your AUTOEXEC.BAT file, for example: SET KERMIT=WIDTH 132 The KERMIT environment variable must contain a WIDTH definition before you start MS-DOS Kermit in order for it to take effect. Wide rollback screens need more memory than regular ones. NOTE: The KERMIT=WIDTH value and SET TERMINAL WIDTH value are two different things. The former controls memory allocation in the rollback buffer, the latter controls the actual display width (virtual or real) of your screen. (16.2) HORIZONTAL SCROLLING If your logical screen width is greater than the physical screen width, MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 lets you scroll the screen horizontally by pushing keys. The new keyboard verbs are: \Klfpage Scroll left one "page" (= 20 columns) (screen moves right) \Klfone Scroll left one column \Krtpage Scroll right one page (screen moves left) \Krtone Scroll right one column These verbs are unassigned by default. Here are the commands you could add to your MSCUSTOM.INI file if you wanted to assign them to the gray (T-pad) arrow keys on the extended (101) PC keyboard: SET KEY \2459 \Krtpage ; Alt-Left arrow makes screen move left on page SET KEY \5491 \Krtone ; Ctrl-Left arrow moves screen one column to left SET KEY \2461 \Klfpage ; Alt-Right arrow makes screen move right one page SET KEY \5492 \Klfone ; Ctrl-Right arrow moves screen one column right When these keys are used in combination with the PageUp/Down keys, your screen becomes a "virtual window" on your session, which you can move around in arbitrary directions. By analogy with SET TERMINAL ROLLBACK { ON, OFF }, which tells Kermit whether to move a rolled-back screen automatically to the bottom when new characters arrive from the host, the new command: SET TERMINAL HORIZONTAL-SCROLL { AUTOMATIC, MANUAL } tells Kermit whether to scroll horizontally when a character arrives that would be displayed to the left or right of the visible screen. By default, horizontal scrolling is MANUAL during VT terminal emulation, and AUTOMATIC during DASHER emulation. MANUAL means you have to push keys to scroll the screen horizontally, AUTOMATIC means that Kermit moves the screen to "catch" incoming characters. (End quote) And from the KERMIT.BWR file: (12.5) 132-COLUMN MODE Normally, you can't use 132-column text mode in a Windows window, because Windows takes over the graphics adapter and hides its particulars from Kermit, but you can use it in a full screen session. But if you want to try it in a window anyway, tell Kermit to SET TERMINAL VIDEO-CHANGE ENABLE. Then when a directive is received to switch video modes, Windows might pop up a dialog box saying that it won't let you do this in a Window session; click on OK and the Kermit session will be switched to full-screen. If you have a monitor with fixed horizontal frequency but a video adapter that Kermit knows how to switch into 132 column mode, you will see only garbage on your screen whenever Kermit switches to 132 columns. Get a new monitor or tell Kermit to SET TERMINAL VIDEO-CHANGE DISABLE. On serial connections with Xon/Xoff flow control, Kermit sends Xoff and Xon apply when commanded to change its screen size between 80 and 132 columns, because this is often a time-consuming operation. With RTS/CTS, Kermit turns off RTS while the size is being changed. See KERMIT.UPD for further information on 132-column mode. (End quote) From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 3 15:59:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA16190 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA26370 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:59:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Random login prompt with K95 Date: 3 Dec 1996 20:59:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-ID: <5824av$f1v$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Dec3.161932.1217@cesi> <581mdn$3lf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <581mdn$3lf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <1996Dec3.161932.1217@cesi>, : Alberto Meregalli (DIF) wrote: : : ... : : What the user sees is that the "Username:" prompt doesn't appear : : regularly, but rather randomly. What seems to be apparent in the : : sniffer captures is that while many option negotiations go on the VAX : : always immediately refuses the NEW-ENVIRONMENT option, but all data : : sent out by it before K95 acknowledges that with a WON'T : : NEW-ENVIRONMENT are not revealed to the user. So if the VAX delays a : : little sending out the prompt, that's shown to the user, otherwise it : : is lost. : Followup #2, in which a more likely explanation is offered, based on the fact that Kermit 95 1.1.8 is the first version to support "true" terminal type negotiation. : : - option 31 (Negotiate About Window Size): it is "negotiated" up to : : four times: that is K95 sends out up to four times the same 80 columns : : x 24 lines dimension : This is probably happening because the terminal type is being renegotiated: "My terminal type is VT320", "I don't like that one, please try another", "OK, it's VT220", etc etc. This is documented in section 6.2 of UPDATES.DOC. It could be the root of all the other symptoms you have reported. In a test on a nearby VMS system, K95's debug log includes the following: TELNET SENT WILL TERMINAL-TYPE TELNET SENT WILL NEGOTIATE-ABOUT-WINDOW-SIZE TELNET RCVD DO TERMINAL-TYPE TELNET RCVD DO NEGOTIATE-ABOUT-WINDOW-SIZE TELNET SENT SB NAWS 80 49 IAC SE TELNET RCVD SB TERMINAL-TYPE SEND IAC SE TELNET SENT SB TERMINAL-TYPE IS VT320 IAC SE <-- We tell our terminal type Welcome to Blah Blah VMS V6.2 <-- VMS host sends herald and prompt Username: So far so good. But VMS doesn't like the VT320 terminal type, so it sends a message asking us to try another one, so we drop down to VT220: TELNET RCVD SB TERMINAL-TYPE SEND IAC SE TELNET SENT SB NAWS 80 49 IAC SE TELNET SENT SB TERMINAL-TYPE IS VT220 IAC SE But whenever we change terminal types we have to clear the screen. Why? Because different terminal types might have different dimensions, coloration, attributes, etc, and we must initialize all of this when switching emulations. So now the user sees a blank screen. (Scrollback would reveal the herald and Username: prompt on the previous screen.) And we also have to renogiatiate all the other stuff (screen size via NAWS, etc). The problem is that VMS (Multinet) is trying to do all this AFTER the herald and Username prompt have been issued, rather than before, and that's why the Username prompt disappears. In this case, it would have nothing at all to do with the NEW-ENVIRONMENT (username) negotiation. The workaround would be to fix VMS to accept VT320 as a terminal type (why doesn't it?), or set Kermit's emulation to VT100 or whatever it is that VMS is expecting. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 4 04:09:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id EAA05870 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 04:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id EAA15073 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 04:09:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news From: Lieven Tomme Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 set modem command Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 09:53:48 +0100 Organization: LVD Company n.v. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <32A53C1C.48EE0CD9@lvd.be> References: <32A43C89.4FCF16CF@lvd.be> <581fse$rp8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lvdcomp.eunet.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; Linux 1.1.59 i486) Frank da Cruz wrote: > Evidently your null modem cable does not have CD and DTR > cross-connected in both directions, so K95 thinks there is no carrier, > and therefore no connection. This is OK when using modems, as there > is *supposed* to be no carrier until after you successfully dial. > > Solutions: (1) fix the cable, or (2) tell K95 to "set carrier off". Yes, I agree. But even setting the carrier 'off' doesn't alter anything, either with 'set modem type hayes-2400' (this keeps on working properly) or with 'set modem type none' (this doen't get me towards communication), as I already had tried (I guess I should have mentioned this, sorry ...) Lieven. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 4 07:18:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id HAA10917 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id HAA08383 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:18:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Minimal protocol for Kermit? Date: 04 Dec 1996 12:08:46 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <328A0284.1BB0@ccinet.ab.ca> <56cvnr$2tm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In article <56cvnr$2tm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >: Does anyone know the minimal protocol for a Kermit transfer? >: Are there any books that explain the protocol at this level? >: >The Kermit protocol specification is in: > > Frank da Cruz, "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", Digital Press / > Butterworth Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. Now that there's a 2nd edition of the C-Kermit manual, can we expect a new version of the Protocol manual soon too? -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37... # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | http://wcl-l.bham.ac.uk/~bam/ ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | Finger: bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 4 07:54:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id HAA15537 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id HAA09248 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:54:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Line separator in REMOTE DIRECTORY in C-kermit 6.0.192 Date: 04 Dec 1996 12:44:53 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 27 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk Once again I'm posting one of those rare things - a posting that is actually about Kermit protocols! The REMOTE DIRECTORY command in the server implementation in C-Kermit 6.0.192 (compiled on Linux) returns (when taking to my home-grown implementation of the Kermit file xfer protocol) a file which according to the attributes packet is ^M^J delimited text file but is in fact ^M^M^J delimited. This doesn't seem to happen when C-Kermit is talking to C-Kermit so it must be something to do with the link charcteristics that my implementation negotiates. Nonetheless I think this probably counts as a bug in C-Kermit. For some inexplicable reason (probably my own incompentance) I can't get C-Kermit server to generate a packet.log so I can't readily illustrate this point. If I succede I'll post the packet.log to this thread. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37... # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | http://wcl-l.bham.ac.uk/~bam/ ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | Finger: bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 4 09:38:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA01670 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id JAA11907 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:38:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 set modem command Date: 4 Dec 1996 14:37:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <5842ap$lr5$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32A43C89.4FCF16CF@lvd.be> <581fse$rp8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <32A53C1C.48EE0CD9@lvd.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32A53C1C.48EE0CD9@lvd.be>, Lieven Tomme wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : : > Evidently your null modem cable does not have CD and DTR : > cross-connected in both directions, so K95 thinks there is no carrier, : > and therefore no connection. This is OK when using modems, as there : > is *supposed* to be no carrier until after you successfully dial. : > : > Solutions: (1) fix the cable, or (2) tell K95 to "set carrier off". : : Yes, I agree. But even setting the carrier 'off' doesn't alter : anything, either with 'set modem type hayes-2400' (this keeps on : working properly) or with 'set modem type none' (this doen't get : me towards communication), as I already had tried (I guess I should : have mentioned this, sorry ...) : Next guess: Perhaps your null modem cable does not have RTS cross-connected to CTS, but you have K95's flow control set to RTS/CTS. In that case: (1) fix your cable, or (2) tell K95 to "set flow none". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 4 09:43:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA02486 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id JAA12039 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:43:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Line separator in REMOTE DIRECTORY in C-kermit 6.0.192 Date: 4 Dec 1996 14:43:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <5842lm$m53$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : Once again I'm posting one of those rare things - a posting that is : actually about Kermit protocols! : : The REMOTE DIRECTORY command in the server implementation in C-Kermit : 6.0.192 (compiled on Linux) returns (when taking to my home-grown : implementation of the Kermit file xfer protocol) a file which : according to the attributes packet is ^M^J delimited text file but is : in fact ^M^M^J delimited. : I think you've found a little bug. Too bad it wasn't noticed during the testing period. It should only affect the UNIX, AOS/VS, and OS-9 versions. I'll see if I can develop a patch for it. : For some inexplicable reason (probably my own incompentance) I can't : get C-Kermit server to generate a packet.log so I can't readily : illustrate this point. If I succede I'll post the packet.log to this : thread. : Tell it to "log packets". It produces a file called packet.log in its current directory. Or tell it to "log packets " to explicitly identify the pathname of the log file. No need to post it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 4 11:12:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA19937 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id LAA14337 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:12:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!surfnet.nl!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!ubnsrv.unisource.ch!newssrv.ita.tip.net!i2unix!cesi!meregalli From: meregalli@cesi.it (Alberto Meregalli (DIF)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Random login prompt with K95 Message-ID: <1996Dec4.110236.1219@cesi> Date: 4 Dec 96 11:02:36 +0100 References: <1996Dec3.161932.1217@cesi> <581mdn$3lf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5824av$f1v$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano, Milano, Italy Lines: 58 In article <5824av$f1v$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <581mdn$3lf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: > : In article <1996Dec3.161932.1217@cesi>, > : Alberto Meregalli (DIF) wrote: > : : ... > : : What the user sees is that the "Username:" prompt doesn't appear > : : regularly, but rather randomly. What seems to be apparent in the > : : sniffer captures is that while many option negotiations go on the VAX > : : always immediately refuses the NEW-ENVIRONMENT option, but all data > : : sent out by it before K95 acknowledges that with a WON'T > : : NEW-ENVIRONMENT are not revealed to the user. So if the VAX delays a > : : little sending out the prompt, that's shown to the user, otherwise it > : : is lost. > : > Followup #2, in which a more likely explanation is offered, based on > the fact that Kermit 95 1.1.8 is the first version to support "true" > terminal type negotiation. > > : : - option 31 (Negotiate About Window Size): it is "negotiated" up to > : : four times: that is K95 sends out up to four times the same 80 columns > : : x 24 lines dimension > : > This is probably happening because the terminal type is being renegotiated: > "My terminal type is VT320", "I don't like that one, please try another", > "OK, it's VT220", etc etc. This is documented in section 6.2 of UPDATES.DOC. > > It could be the root of all the other symptoms you have reported. ... > So far so good. But VMS doesn't like the VT320 terminal type, so it sends > a message asking us to try another one, so we drop down to VT220: > > TELNET RCVD SB TERMINAL-TYPE SEND IAC SE > TELNET SENT SB NAWS 80 49 IAC SE > TELNET SENT SB TERMINAL-TYPE IS VT220 IAC SE > > But whenever we change terminal types we have to clear the screen. Why? > Because different terminal types might have different dimensions, coloration, > attributes, etc, and we must initialize all of this when switching emulations. > So now the user sees a blank screen. (Scrollback would reveal the herald > and Username: prompt on the previous screen.) That's what happens: we could see the Username: prompt by scrolling back. > The workaround would be to fix VMS to accept VT320 as a terminal type > (why doesn't it?), or set Kermit's emulation to VT100 or whatever it is > that VMS is expecting. I'm going to look out where is (if there is) a list of welcome terminal types on Multinet. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alberto Meregalli, DIF tel. +39 2 2125 249 CESI, Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano fax +39 2 2125 520 Via Rubattino, 54 - I 20134 Milano E-mail: meregalli@cesi.it From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 4 12:03:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA01481 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA15617 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:03:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.belnet.be!swsbe6.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!ubnsrv.unisource.ch!newssrv.ita.tip.net!i2unix!cesi!meregalli From: meregalli@cesi.it (Alberto Meregalli (DIF)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Random login prompt with K95 Message-ID: <1996Dec4.123609.1220@cesi> Date: 4 Dec 96 12:36:09 +0100 References: <1996Dec3.161932.1217@cesi> <581mdn$3lf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5824av$f1v$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1996Dec4.110236.1219@cesi> Organization: Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano, Milano, Italy Lines: 82 In article <1996Dec4.110236.1219@cesi>, meregalli@cesi.it (Alberto Meregalli (DIF)) writes: > In article <5824av$f1v$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >> This is probably happening because the terminal type is being renegotiated: >> "My terminal type is VT320", "I don't like that one, please try another", >> "OK, it's VT220", etc etc. This is documented in section 6.2 of UPDATES.DOC. >> >> It could be the root of all the other symptoms you have reported. > ... >> So far so good. But VMS doesn't like the VT320 terminal type, so it sends >> a message asking us to try another one, so we drop down to VT220: >> >> TELNET RCVD SB TERMINAL-TYPE SEND IAC SE >> TELNET SENT SB NAWS 80 49 IAC SE >> TELNET SENT SB TERMINAL-TYPE IS VT220 IAC SE >> >> But whenever we change terminal types we have to clear the screen. Why? >> Because different terminal types might have different dimensions, coloration, >> attributes, etc, and we must initialize all of this when switching emulations. >> So now the user sees a blank screen. (Scrollback would reveal the herald >> and Username: prompt on the previous screen.) > > That's what happens: we could see the Username: prompt by scrolling > back. I have to elaborate on that: in the sniffer captures of "regular" (i.e. appearing prompt) session the sequence is, considering only visible data and the Terminal Type option: >From VAX From K95 ------1st example------------------ SEND IS 'VT320' SEND Username: IS 'VT220' ------2nd example------------------ SEND IS 'VT320' SEND Username: IS 'VT220' ------3rd example------------------ SEND IS 'VT320' SEND Username: IS 'VT220' In the case that the prompt disappears this is what you see ------1st example------------------ SEND | | Username: | | IS 'VT320' | SEND | eesposito | EESPOSITO | all of this was seen Password: | on the screen! IS 'VT220' | ------2nd example------------------ SEND Username: IS 'VT320' SEND IS 'VT220' It seems that the screen clearing happens when the second SEND from the VAX is received, not when the new terminal type string is sent. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alberto Meregalli, DIF tel. +39 2 2125 249 CESI, Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano fax +39 2 2125 520 Via Rubattino, 54 - I 20134 Milano E-mail: meregalli@cesi.it From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 4 16:39:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA03727 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id QAA22762 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:39:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Random login prompt with K95 Date: 4 Dec 1996 21:38:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Message-ID: <584r06$cqk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Dec3.161932.1217@cesi> <5824av$f1v$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1996Dec4.110236.1219@cesi> <1996Dec4.123609.1220@cesi> Reply-To: kermit-support@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Dec4.123609.1220@cesi>, Alberto Meregalli (DIF) wrote: : I have to elaborate on that: in the sniffer captures of "regular" : (i.e. appearing prompt) session the sequence is, considering only visible : data and the Terminal Type option: : : In the case that the prompt disappears this is what you see : : ------1st example------------------ : SEND | : | : Username: | : | : IS 'VT320' | : SEND | : eesposito | : EESPOSITO | all of this was seen : Password: | on the screen! : IS 'VT220' | : ------2nd example------------------ : SEND : : Username: : IS 'VT320' : SEND : IS 'VT220' : : : It seems that the screen clearing happens when the second SEND from : the VAX is received, not when the new terminal type string is sent. The screen clearing occurs when the terminal reset to default settings takes place. This occurs during the terminal type switch which happens in response to a request to SEND TERMINAL-TYPE from the host. There are two solutions to your problem: (1) you want to use VT320 emulation even though your host doesn't understand the additional capabilities so you want to disable the terminal type switching: SET TELNET TERMINAL-TYPE VT220 this tells k95 to only respond to a request for terminal type with the specified name. (2) your host doesn't understand a VT320 and so doesn't want to use it. instead your host wants a VT220. Therefore, in your dialer entry for this host or in your connect script or your K95CUSTOM.INI file specify your terminal type as VT220 instead of VT320. Then the screen won't clear because the emulator won't require a reset. The purpose of the terminal type negotiation is to make sure that the and the host can agree on a common set of rules to use for putting data on your screen. It is a last ditch procedure that should be used only when the host doesn't understand the terminal emulation chosen and the user doesn't know what emulations the host understands. Once it is used and a emulation agreed to, the user should no longer count on the negotiation to choose the terminal type, but should make that terminal type the default. Jeffrey Altman * Kermit Development Group * Columbia University * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 5 02:54:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA18649 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 02:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id CAA08791 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 02:54:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news From: Lieven Tomme Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 set modem command Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 08:28:45 +0100 Organization: LVD Company n.v. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <32A679AD.8046577@lvd.be> References: <32A43C89.4FCF16CF@lvd.be> <581fse$rp8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <32A53C1C.48EE0CD9@lvd.be> <5842ap$lr5$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lvdcomp.eunet.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; Linux 1.1.59 i486) Frank da Cruz wrote: > Next guess: > > Perhaps your null modem cable does not have RTS cross-connected to CTS, > but you have K95's flow control set to RTS/CTS. In that case: (1) fix > your cable, or (2) tell K95 to "set flow none". Effectively : setting flow to none does the job. Thanks for keeping an eye on what I overlooked Frank :-) I wasn't aware that setting the modem type to none also altered the xon/xoff setting to RTS/CTS. Lieven From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 5 02:58:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA18933 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 02:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id CAA08880 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 02:58:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Random login prompt with K95 Message-ID: <1996Dec4.205928.90168@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Dec 96 20:59:27 MDT References: <1996Dec3.161932.1217@cesi> <581mdn$3lf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5824av$f1v$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 119 In article <5824av$f1v$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <581mdn$3lf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: > : In article <1996Dec3.161932.1217@cesi>, > : Alberto Meregalli (DIF) wrote: > : : ... > : : What the user sees is that the "Username:" prompt doesn't appear > : : regularly, but rather randomly. What seems to be apparent in the > : : sniffer captures is that while many option negotiations go on the VAX > : : always immediately refuses the NEW-ENVIRONMENT option, but all data > : : sent out by it before K95 acknowledges that with a WON'T > : : NEW-ENVIRONMENT are not revealed to the user. So if the VAX delays a > : : little sending out the prompt, that's shown to the user, otherwise it > : : is lost. > : > Followup #2, in which a more likely explanation is offered, based on > the fact that Kermit 95 1.1.8 is the first version to support "true" > terminal type negotiation. > > : : - option 31 (Negotiate About Window Size): it is "negotiated" up to > : : four times: that is K95 sends out up to four times the same 80 columns > : : x 24 lines dimension > : > This is probably happening because the terminal type is being renegotiated: > "My terminal type is VT320", "I don't like that one, please try another", > "OK, it's VT220", etc etc. This is documented in section 6.2 of UPDATES.DOC. > > It could be the root of all the other symptoms you have reported. > In a test on a nearby VMS system, K95's debug log includes the following: > > TELNET SENT WILL TERMINAL-TYPE > TELNET SENT WILL NEGOTIATE-ABOUT-WINDOW-SIZE > TELNET RCVD DO TERMINAL-TYPE > TELNET RCVD DO NEGOTIATE-ABOUT-WINDOW-SIZE > TELNET SENT SB NAWS 80 49 IAC SE > TELNET RCVD SB TERMINAL-TYPE SEND IAC SE > TELNET SENT SB TERMINAL-TYPE IS VT320 IAC SE <-- We tell our terminal type > > Welcome to Blah Blah VMS V6.2 <-- VMS host sends herald and prompt > Username: > > So far so good. But VMS doesn't like the VT320 terminal type, so it sends > a message asking us to try another one, so we drop down to VT220: > > TELNET RCVD SB TERMINAL-TYPE SEND IAC SE > TELNET SENT SB NAWS 80 49 IAC SE > TELNET SENT SB TERMINAL-TYPE IS VT220 IAC SE > > But whenever we change terminal types we have to clear the screen. Why? > Because different terminal types might have different dimensions, coloration, > attributes, etc, and we must initialize all of this when switching emulations. > So now the user sees a blank screen. (Scrollback would reveal the herald > and Username: prompt on the previous screen.) And we also have to > renogiatiate all the other stuff (screen size via NAWS, etc). > > The problem is that VMS (Multinet) is trying to do all this AFTER the > herald and Username prompt have been issued, rather than before, and that's > why the Username prompt disappears. In this case, it would have nothing > at all to do with the NEW-ENVIRONMENT (username) negotiation. > > The workaround would be to fix VMS to accept VT320 as a terminal type > (why doesn't it?), or set Kermit's emulation to VT100 or whatever it is > that VMS is expecting. > > - Frank ----------- The thread is also running on the Multinet listserver. The suggestion from TGV/Cisco is use string vt300_series as the terminal ident. Tried here all in lower case and it did stick on the first query. Meanwhile TGV says they will think about all of this. While it is convenient to complain to TGV we should also keep in mind that VMS itself classes terminals by major number (100, 200, etc, or in VMS-speak DEC_CRT, DEC_CRT2, etc) and then depends on a detailed report of capabilities to handle operations. This means a VT320 isn't known to VMS as a VT320, but as a VT300_Series with certain features (variable from model to model of VT320 too). MS-DOS Kermit and Kermit95 know how to report these features and thus VMS itself is most happy with them. Below is what MSK v3.15 beta looks like to VMS v6.1 (via Multinet 4.0A): $ sh term Terminal: _NTY26: Device_Type: VT300_Series Owner: JRD Remote Port Info: jrd.usu.edu Input: 9600 LFfill: 0 Width: 80 Parity: None Output: 9600 CRfill: 0 Page: 24 Terminal Characteristics: Interactive Echo Type_ahead No Escape Hostsync TTsync Lowercase Tab Wrap Scope Remote Eightbit No Broadcast No Readsync No Form Fulldup No Modem No Local_echo Autobaud Hangup No Brdcstmbx No DMA No Altypeahd Set_speed No Commsync Line Editing Insert editing No Fallback No Dialup No Secure server No Disconnect No Pasthru No Syspassword SIXEL Graphics No Soft Characters Printer port Numeric Keypad ANSI_CRT No Regis No Block_mode Advanced_video Edit_mode DEC_CRT DEC_CRT2 DEC_CRT3 No DEC_CRT4 No DEC_CRT5 Ansi_Color VMS Style Input $ Note the "Ansi_Color" which a real VT320 lacks, and "No Soft Characters" which a real VT320 posseses. Quite a complicated set of ingredients. But Telnet daemons ought to be a triffle smarter than this in accepting well known terminal identifications such as "VT320" (case insensitive please). Even VT3xx or VT2xx would be a good first step in recognizing terminal kinds, where xx are any digits. To ensure MSK's capabilities are understood by VMS, despite Telnet Options, I add SET TERM/INQUIRE to the login process to request a detailed report from the terminal. We see something else in Frank's material above. Telnet Options don't have a way of saying, "What's a VT320? I can't deal with that. What else can you pretend to be?" and thereby indicate to the terminal emulator to change characteristics. Instead the terminal type option query is simply repeated, and repeated, to elicit a shopping list. That is not a good negotiation design (pumping dry the victim), and it ratchets one way. But "it's too late now." Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 5 10:11:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA29482 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:11:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id KAA08714 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:11:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 set modem command Date: 5 Dec 1996 15:11:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <586omd$jle$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32A43C89.4FCF16CF@lvd.be> <32A53C1C.48EE0CD9@lvd.be> <5842ap$lr5$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <32A679AD.8046577@lvd.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32A679AD.8046577@lvd.be>, Lieven Tomme wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > Perhaps your null modem cable does not have RTS cross-connected to CTS, : > but you have K95's flow control set to RTS/CTS. In that case: (1) fix : > your cable, or (2) tell K95 to "set flow none". : : Effectively : setting flow to none does the job. : Thanks for keeping an eye on what I overlooked Frank :-) : I wasn't aware that setting the modem type to none also altered : the xon/xoff setting to RTS/CTS. : In our neverending quest for user friendliness, we try to do more and more things automatically when we think it is safe -- i.e. it will help lots more people than it will confuse. In this case, you are experiencing Kermit's new "automatic" flow control setting. Kermit knows a Hayes 1200 modem can't do RTS/CTS flow control, so it doesn't try to use it. Of course for best results you should fix your cable to be a true null modem cable; see the diagram in "Using C-Kermit" (page 372 of 1st edition, page 494 of second edition, page 422 of German edition). You want "Model B". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 5 13:19:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA09077 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id NAA13359 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:19:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with 132 columns under Windows 3.1 Message-ID: <1996Dec5.105840.90196@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Dec 96 10:58:39 MDT References: <01bbe145$f49acf80$286ca4cd@jljones> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 In article <01bbe145$f49acf80$286ca4cd@jljones>, "John L. Jones" writes: > We have a problem running Kermit 3.14 under Windows 3.x and being able to > view 132 columns on a VMS box. We can view 80 or 132 columns when Kermit > runs on DOS, but when we get into Windows everything falls apart. > > Please let me know if anyone has any ideas on this. The command that we > enter under VMS to get the 132 columns is SET TERM/WIDTH=132 or SET > TERM/WIDTH=80 ------------- 132 column mode often fails while within a window of Windows because Windows cannot cope with changes to the display adapter. The display adapter video mode and characteristics change when changing screen widths. There is nothing Kermit can do about that so I suggest you run 132 columns while in a full screen DOS box instead. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 5 21:07:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA12425 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 21:07:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id VAA26138 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 21:07:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!cdc2.cdc.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news From: "Kelly Ward" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: $$$EASY MONEY...FAST$$$ Date: 6 Dec 1996 02:03:08 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 135 Message-ID: <01bbe31a$1760df20$c337adce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 61008d0015dc.concentric.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 ***EASY MONEY - FAST*** THIS IS THE FAIREST MOST HONEST WAY I KNOW TO SHARE THE WEALTH! Would you like to make thousands of dollars, quick, legally, with NO CATCH? Then keep reading...please take five minutes to read this article it will change your life, just like it did mine. It's true! You can make up to or over $50,000 dollars in 4-6 weeks, maybe sooner! I SWEAR I'M NOT LYING TO YOU, AND THIS IS NOT A SCAM! If you're interested, keep reading; if you're not, I apologize for wasting your time. Here we go. A while back, I was browsing through these newsgroups, just like you are now, and came across an article similar to this that said you could makethousands of dollars in weeks with only an intiial investment of $5! So, I thought, "Yeah right, must be a scam", but I was curious, like most of us, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1 to each of 5 names and addresses stated in the article. Youthen place your own name and address in the article at the bottom of the list at #5, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups (there are thousands). No catch, that was it! So after thinking it over, talking to a few people first, I tried it. I figured what have I got to lose except for 5 stamps and $5, right? Well, guess what...within 7 days, I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I still figured it would end soon, and didn't give it another thought. But then money kept coming IN, tripling in size and multiplying by 10-20 times the amount that I got the first week! In my first week I made about 20 to 30 dollars. By the end of the second week, I had made a total of over $1,000!!! In the third week, I had over $10,000 dollars, and it's still growing. This is my fourth week and I've made about $42,000 TOTAL, and the money is still coming in... Let me tell you how this workds and most importantly, WHY it works..also, amke sure you print a copy of the article NOW, so you get the information off of it, and begin making money. The process is very simple, and it consists of 3 EASY steps: STEP: Get 5 seperate pieces of paper and write the following on each sheet of paper ..."PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST. YOU ARE NUMBER 4." Get five $1 bills and place ONE inside each piece of paper that you just wrote on, and fold each piece of paper so the bill will not be seen in the envelpe (otherwise, nosey people who like to steal envelopes with money in it will get yours). Put one paper inside the envelope and seal it. Do the same for all 5. You should now have 5 envelopes sealed, EACH have a piece of paper AND a $1 bill inside of the paper. Make sure those words that were stated above are stated on each paper. What you are doing is creating a service by this, this isPERFECTLY LEGAL. Now then, mail the 5 envelopes with the paper an $1 in eeach to the following 5 addresses: 1. Nancy Shain Rt. 3 Box 3396 Poplar Bluff, MO 63901 2. Jeremiah Stuppy 467 Enders Rd. Halifax, PA 17032 3. Dan Wood 1201-A Anderson St. San Clemente, CA 92672 4. S. Stapleton 6329 Hwy 135 N. Lake City, AR 72401 5. K. Ward P.O. Box 523288 Springfield, VA 22152 STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other 4 names up (5 becoming 4, 4 becoming 3, etc.) and put YOUR NAME as number 5 on the list. You can slightly alter this article if you need to, editing what you need to edit. STEP 3: Post your amended article (with your name at #5) to at least 200 newgroups (I think there are over 18,000 of them). All you need is say, at least 200. HOW TO DO THIS: If you have Netscape 3.0 do EXACTLY the following: 1) Click on any newsgroup like normal, THEN click on 'TO NEWS' which is on the far left when you're in the newsgroups page. This will bring up a box to type a message in. 2) Leave the newgroup box like it is, CHANAGE the subject box to something flashy, like, "NEED CASH $$$ READ HERE$$$" OR "FAST CASH"!!!! 3) Tab once and you are ready to type. Now, retype (only once) THIS whole article WORD FOR WORD, except to insert your name at #5, and to remove the #1 off the list, plus any other small changes you think you need to make. Keep almost all of it the SAME! 4) When you're done typing the WHOLE article, click on FILEin THIS BOX, RIGHT ABOVE SEND, NOT WHERE IT SAYS NETSCAPE NEWS ON THE FIRST BOX. Click on SAVE AS when you're under FILE. Save your article as a text file to your C: or A: drive. DO NOT SEND OR POST YOUR ARTICLE UNTIL YOU DO THIS. Once. saved, move on to number 5 below. 5) If you still have all of your text, sned or post to this newsgroup now by just clicking sned, shich is right below FILKE, and right above Cc:. 6) Here's where you're going to post all 200. OK, click on any news group then click on 'TO NEWS', again, put a flashy subject title in the SUBJECT BOX, hit TAB once you're in the body of the message, and then click on ATTACHMENTS, which is below the SUBJECT BOX. You will get another box to come up. Click on ATTACH FILE, then find your file that you saved; click oncce on the file, and then click OPEN now click on OK; if you did this right, you should see your file name in the attachment box, and it will be shaded green. IF YOU USE IE EXPLORER, IT'S JUST AS EASY....HOLDING DOWN THE LEFT MOUSE BUTTON, HIGHLIGHT THIS ARTICLE. THEN PRESS THE "CTRL" KEY AND THE "C" KEY AT THE SAME TIME TO COPY THIS ARTICLE. THEN PRINT THIS ARTICLE FOR YOUR RECORDS TO HAVE THE NAMES OF THOSE YOU WILL BE SENDING $1 BILLS TO. NEXT GO TO THE NEWS GROUPS AND PRESS "POST AN ARTICLE," A WINDOW WILL OPEN. TYPE YOUR HEADLINE IN SUBJECT AREA AND CLICK IN LARGE WINDOW BELOW. PRESS "CTRL" AND THEN "V" AND THE ARTICLE WILL BE PLACED IN THE WINDOW. IF YOU WANT TO EDIT THE ARTICLE, DO SO AND THEN HIGHLIGHT AND COPY IT AGAIN. NOW EVERYTIME YOU POST THE ARTICLE IN A NEW NEWSGROUP, YOU ONLY HAVE TO REPEAT "CTRL" AND "V" AND PRESS POST. 7) That's it. Each time you do this, all you have to do is type in a different newsgroup, so that way, it posts to 200 DIFFERENT newsgroups, you see? Now you just have 199 to go! (Don't worry, each one takes about 30 seconds, once you get From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 5 21:07:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA12435 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 21:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id VAA26152 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 21:07:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!voskovec.radio.cz!news.msfc.nasa.gov!hammer.msfc.nasa.gov!cyberspam!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,control From: news@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov Message-ID: Control: cancel <01bbe31a$1760df20$c337adce@default> Subject: cmsg cancel <01bbe31a$1760df20$c337adce@default> no reply ignore Reply-To: bitbucket@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 02:06:56 GMT Approved: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Canceled-By: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov Sender: "Kelly Ward" Lines: 8 ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. Make Money Fast has been posted thousands of times, enough to qualify as cancel-on-sight spam. The chain letter scheme it describes is illegal in many countries. For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 6 09:18:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA09022 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id JAA03304 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:18:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!svc.portal.com!opentext.com!news.mks.com!usenet From: davidf@mks.com (David J. Fiander) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: New undocumented keyboard verbs in K/95? Date: 06 Dec 1996 08:49:22 -0500 Organization: Mortice Kern Systems, Inc. Lines: 9 Sender: davidf@davidf-nt.mks.com Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pc-112.pc.mks.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 In Kermit 1.1.8, I type "show kverbs" and I get a list of 321 keyboard verbs. I noticed that the verbs \Kansif01 through \Kansif61 are not listed in table I-5 of the K-95 users guide, and they're not described in DOCS/UPDATES.DOC either. What do these verbs transmit? - David From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 6 09:49:43 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA15356 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id JAA04091 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:49:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: New undocumented keyboard verbs in K/95? Date: 6 Dec 1996 14:48:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <589bon$dcj$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , David J. Fiander wrote: : In Kermit 1.1.8, I type "show kverbs" and I get a list of 321 : keyboard verbs. I noticed that the verbs \Kansif01 through : \Kansif61 are not listed in table I-5 of the K-95 users guide, : and they're not described in DOCS/UPDATES.DOC either. : : What do these verbs transmit? The emulation specific kverbs are assigned to the Terminal Specific Key maps. Look in KEYMAP/DEFAULT.INI to see their assignments. Jeffrey Altman * Kermit Development Group * Columbia University * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 6 16:08:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA08095 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 16:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id QAA13987 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 16:08:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!usenet From: Kurt Rosenhagen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: dialing macro for dialback modem Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 16:09:22 -0500 Organization: Extratek Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <32A88B82.41C67EA6@panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kjr.dialup.access.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Ive modified an existing macro for dialing in to a dialback modem. When the dialback occurs, an "INPUT" command is executed, and the message "Cant condition line for input" appears five times (there are siz input commands after dialback). The message "Connecting to cua0" etc apperas, script file is finished as kermit now expects input from keyboaard. Inserting "WAIT" command only delays modem from answering dialback. I've checked the FAQ and "Using C-Kermit". Any suggestions? Text of the macro follows: define mdialback - dial \%1, - while fail { sleep 30 , redial}, - sleep 5, - output \13, - input 30 login:, - output whoami\13, - input 30 Password:, - output whatami\13, - {THIS IS THE POINT AT WHICH DIALBACK OCCURS} input 30 login:, - output whoami\13, - input 30 TermServ>, - output whereami\13, - input 30 login:, - output whoami\13, - input 30 Password:, - output whatami\13, - input 30 (cr=>vt100):, - output vt100\13, - input 30 systemprompt>, - c From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 6 23:22:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA10905 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:22:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id XAA26160 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:22:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!posts.execpc.com!usenet From: John Fehlhaber Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with File Type Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 22:20:12 -0800 Organization: Exec-PC BBS Internet - Milwaukee, WI Lines: 9 Message-ID: <32A90C9C.2161@execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bassai.execpc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U; 16bit) I am a novice user of Kermit. What I'm having problems with is dialing in to my mainframe (VAX) at work and sending files via Kermit to my home PC. The problem is with specific application type files (i.e. a Lotus 1-2-3 spreadsheet). My problem is that my Lotus software won't recognize the file after I Kermit it down. My guru at work set I needed to issue the command SET FILE TYPE BINARY from the host Kermit, but that doesn't seem to have done the trick. Are the semantics of the above command wrong? What should the proper command be? Any help anyone could give to this true rookie would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 6 23:34:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA14126 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id XAA26482 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:34:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with File Type Date: 7 Dec 1996 04:34:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <58as3q$99b$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32A90C9C.2161@execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32A90C9C.2161@execpc.com>, John Fehlhaber wrote: : I am a novice user of Kermit. What I'm having problems with is dialing : in to my mainframe (VAX) at work and sending files via Kermit to my home : PC. The problem is with specific application type files (i.e. a Lotus : 1-2-3 spreadsheet). My problem is that my Lotus software won't recognize : the file after I Kermit it down. My guru at work set I needed to issue : the command SET FILE TYPE BINARY from the host Kermit, but that doesn't : seem to have done the trick. Are the semantics of the above command : wrong? What should the proper command be? Any help anyone could give to : this true rookie would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! On every system other than VMS BINARY would do the trick. But because of VMS's file system types you need to use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE on the VMS side to get a true BINARY transfer. Jeffrey Altman * Kermit Development Group * Columbia University * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 8 08:28:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA29791 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 08:28:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id IAA23195 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 08:28:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!01-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!swidir.switch.ch!serra.unipi.it!mikasa.iol.it!news From: "otaku" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP : looking for windows or dos kermit source code Date: 8 Dec 1996 13:27:18 GMT Organization: Italia Online Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bbe50c$5d2e3c20$0100007f@localhost> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.20.24.192 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Does anybody know where ( and if ) I can find C or c++ source code for DOS / Windows kermit? Thanks and cheers. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 8 20:33:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA00716 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 20:33:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id UAA12308 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 20:33:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!aanews.merit.net!news.cic.net!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: manaster@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Question Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 20:28:25 -0500 Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 3 Message-ID: <32AB6B39.2CF5@umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm114-20.dialip.mich.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) I dont ordinary use kermit but need to remember how to upload a file in C-Kermit 5a (188) 23 on an old Atari. Could someone help me out real quick From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 9 06:48:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id GAA21189 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 06:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id GAA15805 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 06:48:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!masternews.telia.net!newssrv.ita.tip.net!i2unix!cesi!meregalli From: meregalli@cesi.it (Alberto Meregalli (DIF)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: halved PrintScreen output with K95 Message-ID: <1996Dec9.113941.1223@cesi> Date: 9 Dec 96 11:39:41 +0100 Organization: Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano, Milano, Italy Lines: 15 I have one more problem with Kermit95 v1.1.8 If I press F2 or Shift/PrintScreen I only occasionally get an ordinary copy of the screen on my printer: I more often have only a half print screen, that means the leftmost 40 columns. If I look at the network I see that 80 bytes per line are sent, but after every character there is a byte '07'. Any ideas? thank you --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alberto Meregalli, DIF tel. +39 2 2125 249 CESI, Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano fax +39 2 2125 520 Via Rubattino, 54 - I 20134 Milano E-mail: meregalli@cesi.it From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 9 06:48:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id GAA21188 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 06:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id GAA15803 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 06:48:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!masternews.telia.net!newssrv.ita.tip.net!i2unix!cesi!meregalli From: meregalli@cesi.it (Alberto Meregalli (DIF)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Random login prompt with K95 Message-ID: <1996Dec9.113103.1221@cesi> Date: 9 Dec 96 11:31:03 +0100 References: <1996Dec3.161932.1217@cesi> <581mdn$3lf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5824av$f1v$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano, Milano, Italy Lines: 40 In article <5824av$f1v$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <581mdn$3lf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: > This is probably happening because the terminal type is being renegotiated: > "My terminal type is VT320", "I don't like that one, please try another", > "OK, it's VT220", etc etc. This is documented in section 6.2 of UPDATES.DOC. > > It could be the root of all the other symptoms you have reported. > In a test on a nearby VMS system, K95's debug log includes the following: > > TELNET SENT WILL TERMINAL-TYPE > TELNET SENT WILL NEGOTIATE-ABOUT-WINDOW-SIZE > TELNET RCVD DO TERMINAL-TYPE > TELNET RCVD DO NEGOTIATE-ABOUT-WINDOW-SIZE > TELNET SENT SB NAWS 80 49 IAC SE > TELNET RCVD SB TERMINAL-TYPE SEND IAC SE > TELNET SENT SB TERMINAL-TYPE IS VT320 IAC SE <-- We tell our terminal type > > Welcome to Blah Blah VMS V6.2 <-- VMS host sends herald and prompt > Username: > > So far so good. But VMS doesn't like the VT320 terminal type, so it sends > a message asking us to try another one, so we drop down to VT220: > > TELNET RCVD SB TERMINAL-TYPE SEND IAC SE > TELNET SENT SB NAWS 80 49 IAC SE > TELNET SENT SB TERMINAL-TYPE IS VT220 IAC SE ... > > The workaround would be to fix VMS to accept VT320 as a terminal type > (why doesn't it?), I have managed to force VMS to accept 'VT320' as a _good_ string and it seems all is working corrctly now. Details available for interested people. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alberto Meregalli, DIF tel. +39 2 2125 249 CESI, Centro Elettrotecnico Sperimentale Italiano fax +39 2 2125 520 Via Rubattino, 54 - I 20134 Milano E-mail: meregalli@cesi.it From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 9 09:53:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA04062 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id JAA20491 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:53:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!uunet!in1.uu.net!206.66.12.35!news-in.iadfw.net!usenet From: Chris Mumford Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP : looking for windows or dos kermit source code Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 08:51:59 -0600 Organization: Paradigm Simulation, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <32AC278F.1103@paradigmsim.com> References: <01bbe50c$5d2e3c20$0100007f@localhost> NNTP-Posting-Host: mumfordspc.paradigmsim.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) To: otaku otaku wrote: > > Does anybody know where ( and if ) I can find C or c++ source code for DOS > / Windows kermit? > Thanks and cheers. No, but if you find some I'd love it if you could get me a copy! -- Chris Mumford Voice: 972-960-2301 Paradigm Simulation, Inc. FAX : 972-960-2303 14900 Landmark Blvd., Suite 400 email: mailto:chris@paradigmsim.com Dallas, TX 75240 USA WWW : http://www.paradigmsim.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 9 11:30:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA21108 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:30:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id LAA24720 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:30:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: dialing macro for dialback modem Date: 9 Dec 1996 11:30:21 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <58heqt$kcd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32A88B82.41C67EA6@panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32A88B82.41C67EA6@panix.com>, Kurt Rosenhagen wrote: : Ive modified an existing macro for dialing in to a dialback modem. When : the dialback occurs, an "INPUT" command is executed, and the message : "Cant condition line for input" appears five times (there are siz input : commands after dialback). The message "Connecting to cua0" etc apperas, : script file is finished as kermit now expects input from keyboaard. : So this means you are probably using C-Kermit? Which version? On which platform? Anyway, the trick of handling dialback situations is that you have to hang up the modem after making the call, so it can call you back. If you don't hang it up, it will just get a busy signal. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 9 11:35:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA23594 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id LAA24894 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:35:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with File Type Date: 9 Dec 1996 16:34:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <58hf2n$c5k$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32A90C9C.2161@execpc.com> <58as3q$99b$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <58as3q$99b$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: : In article <32A90C9C.2161@execpc.com>, : John Fehlhaber wrote: : : I am a novice user of Kermit. What I'm having problems with is dialing : : in to my mainframe (VAX) at work and sending files via Kermit to my home : : PC. The problem is with specific application type files (i.e. a Lotus : : 1-2-3 spreadsheet). My problem is that my Lotus software won't recognize : : the file after I Kermit it down. My guru at work set I needed to issue : : the command SET FILE TYPE BINARY from the host Kermit, but that doesn't : : seem to have done the trick. Are the semantics of the above command : : wrong? What should the proper command be? Any help anyone could give to : : this true rookie would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! : : On every system other than VMS BINARY would do the trick. But because : of VMS's file system types you need to use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE on the VMS : side to get a true BINARY transfer. : Right. Your guru at work should read the manual, "Using C-Kermit", in which the situation with VMS Lotus spreadsheets, VMS ZIP files, and the like, is explained on page 412 (1st Edition), 535-536 (2nd Edition), or 463 (German edition). Look up "Lotus" in the index. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 9 11:37:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA24130 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id LAA24957 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:37:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: halved PrintScreen output with K95 Date: 9 Dec 1996 16:36:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <58hf62$ced$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Dec9.113941.1223@cesi> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Dec9.113941.1223@cesi>, Alberto Meregalli (DIF) wrote: : I have one more problem with Kermit95 v1.1.8 : : If I press F2 or Shift/PrintScreen I only occasionally get an ordinary : copy of the screen on my printer: I more often have only a half print : screen, that means the leftmost 40 columns. If I look at the network I : see that 80 bytes per line are sent, but after every character there : is a byte '07'. : It is a bug in version 1.1.8 only. It does not happen in 1.1.7, and it will be fixed in 1.1.9, which will be released shortly as a patch. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 9 17:44:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA09898 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id RAA04608 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:44:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!usenet From: Kurt Rosenhagen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: dialing macro for dialback modem Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 17:45:34 -0500 Organization: Extratek Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <32AC968D.41C67EA6@panix.com> References: <32A88B82.41C67EA6@panix.com> <58heqt$kcd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kjr.dialup.access.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <32A88B82.41C67EA6@panix.com>, > Kurt Rosenhagen wrote: > : Ive modified an existing macro for dialing in to a dialback modem. When > : the dialback occurs, an "INPUT" command is executed, and the message > : "Cant condition line for input" appears five times (there are siz input > : commands after dialback). The message "Connecting to cua0" etc apperas, > : script file is finished as kermit now expects input from keyboaard. > : > So this means you are probably using C-Kermit? Which version? > On which platform? > > Anyway, the trick of handling dialback situations is that you > have to hang up the modem after making the call, so it can call > you back. If you don't hang it up, it will just get a busy > signal. > > - Frank Sorry, I should have been more complete. I'm running C-Kermit on a Sparc 10/50 under SunOS 4.1.3. While the dialback is not getting a busy signal, I think the problem is similiar; the answering modem isn't answering until the "INPUT" command times out. I've currently got it kind of working by doing one macro for dialout, then "HANGUP", then another macro for dialback answer (which can't be executed until the modems have finished negotiating). Can this somehow be automated into one macro? Kurt From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 9 18:00:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA12553 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id SAA05078 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:00:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: dialing macro for dialback modem Date: 9 Dec 1996 22:59:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-ID: <58i5kp$2em$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32A88B82.41C67EA6@panix.com> <58heqt$kcd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <32AC968D.41C67EA6@panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32AC968D.41C67EA6@panix.com>, Kurt Rosenhagen wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > In article <32A88B82.41C67EA6@panix.com>, : > Kurt Rosenhagen wrote: : > : Ive modified an existing macro for dialing in to a dialback modem. When : > : the dialback occurs, an "INPUT" command is executed, and the message : > : "Cant condition line for input" appears five times (there are siz input : > : commands after dialback). The message "Connecting to cua0" etc apperas, : > : script file is finished as kermit now expects input from keyboaard. : > : : > So this means you are probably using C-Kermit? Which version? : > On which platform? : > : > Anyway, the trick of handling dialback situations is that you : > have to hang up the modem after making the call, so it can call : > you back. If you don't hang it up, it will just get a busy : > signal. : : Sorry, I should have been more complete. I'm running C-Kermit ... : What version of C-Kermit? : ... on a Sparc : 10/50 under SunOS 4.1.3. While the dialback is not getting a busy : signal, I think the problem is similiar; the answering modem isn't : answering until the "INPUT" command times out. I've currently got it : kind of working by doing one macro for dialout, then "HANGUP", then : another macro for dialback answer (which can't be executed until the : modems have finished negotiating). Can this somehow be automated into : one macro? : I'm sure it can be, but I don't have access to your setup to try it. I think the problem you had before was that C-Kermit was holding on to its end of the original phone call. The service on the other end hung up, but C-Kermit was still trying to use it (e.g. by issuing INPUT commands). But since the other end had hung up, there was no more carrier and so the device driver was returning errors when you gave the INPUT, OUTPUT, or similar commands, and in any case the modem was not conditioned to answer the call-back. I'd suggest you install C-Kermit 6.0 on your Sun and then have your script use the new ANSWER command. So in outline, it would look like this: dial xxxxxxx if fail ... (put input/output dialog here) hangup answer xxx ; xxx = number of seconds to wait for call if fail ... At this point, you should have a usable connection. For info about C-Kermit 6.0, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 10 04:41:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id EAA18064 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 04:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id EAA22039 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 04:41:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!info.bta.net.cn!usenet From: Dai Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need Kermit source program Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:30:56 +0800 Organization: Beijing Telegraph Administration Lines: 3 Message-ID: <32AD2DD0.6ADF@public.bta.net.cn> Reply-To: dyco@public.bta.net.cn NNTP-Posting-Host: ts3-68.bta.net.cn Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Hello: I need source program (c++ or just c)which can transfer files use Kermit protocol.Some documents also like.Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 10 07:56:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id HAA23422 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 07:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id HAA15637 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 07:56:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!coopnews.coop.net!news.den.mmc.com!news.orl.lmco.com!news From: Jack Cooper Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Procomm Win95 and a PDP8 Kermit Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:57:16 -0500 Organization: Lockheed Martin Information Systems Lines: 75 Message-ID: <32AD501C.41C67EA6@escmail.orl.mmc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dilbert.orl.mmc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; U; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) CC: jcooper@sunny.orl.lmco.com Jack D. Cooper jcooper@escmail.orl.mmc.com phone : 407-306-1052 fax : 407-306-2391 Procomm Plus for Windows 95 and DEC PDP8 running Kermit I have purchased a copy of Procomm Plus for Windows 95 to communicate through a RS-232 serial port (COM2) on a 486 PC running Windows 95. The PC communicates to a DEC PDP8 microcomputer with a serial card. The file transfer protocol is Kermit. I can send files successfully from the DEC PDP8 to the PC but I cannot send files from the PC to the PDP8. The error message that is printed at the bottom of the screen on Procomm is "Packet Type Unknown". I acquired the version of Kermit for the DEC PDP8 at the columbia.edu/kermit site. The source is in assembly and the only modifications made to it was the baud rate. The settings of the Kermit Protocol in Procomm Plus for Windows 95 is as follows : (Note : These are changed from the default settings.) Procomm Plus Win 95 Kermit Options 9600Baud, N-8-1 Binary File Transfer Control Quote 35 Pad Char 0 End of Line 13 8th Bit Quota 38 Block Start 1 Max Packet 94 # of Pad Char 0 Block Check Type 1 Byte Checksum Handshake Char. Not shown on this menu. We have an earlier DOS version of Procomm Plus 1.1B that is able to transfer files successfully in both directions using Kermit. The settings are as follows : Procomm Plus Ver 1.1B Kermit Options 9600Baud, N-8-1 Binary File Transfer Control Quote 35 Pad Char 0 End of Line 13 8th Bit Quota 38 Block Start Not an option on this version of Procomm. Max Packet 94 # of Pad Char 0 Block Check Type 1 Byte Checksum Handshake Char. 0 Please note again, the DOS version of Procomm Plus 1.1B works fine in both directions, the new Windows 95 32 bit version only receives the files successfully from the PDP8. The Windows 95 version is not able to transfer to the PDP8 with the above settings. Quarterdeck (Procomm) is useless as far as technical support. Their phone lines are always busy and their FAX # for tech support has been disconnected. There is not even an email for tech support on their web site. The PC in question replaces a DEC PDP11 that was being used as a file server to the PDP8 which runs a piece of an old GenRad Circuit Card Test Tester. Thank you for your time and any help would be much appreciated. Please email your responses. jcooper@escmail.orl.mmc.com "On The Cutting Edge Of Obsolescence" Thank you. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 10 10:35:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA17909 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id KAA20609 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:35:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Procomm Win95 and a PDP8 Kermit Date: 10 Dec 1996 15:34:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <58jvu1$58r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32AD501C.41C67EA6@escmail.orl.mmc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32AD501C.41C67EA6@escmail.orl.mmc.com>, Jack Cooper wrote: : I have purchased a copy of Procomm Plus for Windows 95 to communicate : through a RS-232 serial port (COM2) on a 486 PC running Windows 95. The : PC communicates to a DEC PDP8 microcomputer with a serial card. The : file transfer protocol is Kermit. I can send files successfully from : the DEC PDP8 to the PC but I cannot send files from the PC to the PDP8. : The error message that is printed at the bottom of the screen on Procomm : is "Packet Type Unknown". : Probably Procomm Kermit is sending a packet type that it did not negotiate successfully with PDP-8 Kermit. Procomm is not noted for the correctness or configurability of its Kermit implementation. : Please note again, the DOS version of Procomm Plus 1.1B works fine in : both directions, the new Windows 95 32 bit version only receives the : files successfully from the PDP8. The Windows 95 version is not able to : transfer to the PDP8 with the above settings. : So they changed something. : Quarterdeck (Procomm) is useless as far as technical support. Their : phone lines are always busy and their FAX # for tech support has been : disconnected. There is not even an email for tech support on their web : site. : We don't support Procomm -- they have your money, they should give you the support you paid for; we have our own products, which we do support. The Kermit software for Windows 95 is Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Every feature of its file-transfer protocol execuction is configurable, and it has all sorts of debugging and troubleshooting features built in, so I would be very surprised if we could not get to work with PDP-8 Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 10 10:49:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA20702 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id KAA21252 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:49:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!sun4nl!Leiden.NL.net!Utrecht.NL.net!knoware.nl!usenet From: Gert-Jan Naaktgeboren Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit version 3.14 and Windows 95 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:13:23 -0800 Organization: Solution House Lines: 11 Message-ID: <32ADFCA3.2BED@konware.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: beastie-ppp3.knoware.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) I'm using Kermit version 3.14 for terminel emulation to a SCO Unix machine via a TCP/IP network. Before i installed Windows 95 i had no problems starting the packet-drivers needed for Kermit. After i installed Windows 95 i can't get the packet-driver started in a DOS session because it hangs up the computer. Shutting down W95 to DOS is not a solution, because all the datafiles i need are on a Windows NT machine (also via the network). Regards, Gert-Jan Naaktgeboren. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 10 10:56:56 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA21769 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id KAA21450 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:56:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!usenet From: Kurt Rosenhagen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: dialing macro for dialback modem Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:58:13 -0500 Organization: Extratek Inc. Lines: 63 Message-ID: <32AD8895.41C67EA6@panix.com> References: <32A88B82.41C67EA6@panix.com> <58heqt$kcd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <32AC968D.41C67EA6@panix.com> <58i5kp$2em$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kjr.dialup.access.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) I'm running C-Kermit 5A(190). I'll try 6.0. Thanks for the help. Kurt Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <32AC968D.41C67EA6@panix.com>, > Kurt Rosenhagen wrote: > : Frank da Cruz wrote: > : > In article <32A88B82.41C67EA6@panix.com>, > : > Kurt Rosenhagen wrote: > : > : Ive modified an existing macro for dialing in to a dialback modem. When > : > : the dialback occurs, an "INPUT" command is executed, and the message > : > : "Cant condition line for input" appears five times (there are siz input > : > : commands after dialback). The message "Connecting to cua0" etc apperas, > : > : script file is finished as kermit now expects input from keyboaard. > : > : > : > So this means you are probably using C-Kermit? Which version? > : > On which platform? > : > > : > Anyway, the trick of handling dialback situations is that you > : > have to hang up the modem after making the call, so it can call > : > you back. If you don't hang it up, it will just get a busy > : > signal. > : > : Sorry, I should have been more complete. I'm running C-Kermit ... > : > What version of C-Kermit? > > : ... on a Sparc > : 10/50 under SunOS 4.1.3. While the dialback is not getting a busy > : signal, I think the problem is similiar; the answering modem isn't > : answering until the "INPUT" command times out. I've currently got it > : kind of working by doing one macro for dialout, then "HANGUP", then > : another macro for dialback answer (which can't be executed until the > : modems have finished negotiating). Can this somehow be automated into > : one macro? > : > I'm sure it can be, but I don't have access to your setup to try it. > I think the problem you had before was that C-Kermit was holding on to > its end of the original phone call. The service on the other end hung > up, but C-Kermit was still trying to use it (e.g. by issuing INPUT > commands). But since the other end had hung up, there was no more carrier > and so the device driver was returning errors when you gave the INPUT, > OUTPUT, or similar commands, and in any case the modem was not conditioned > to answer the call-back. > > I'd suggest you install C-Kermit 6.0 on your Sun and then have your script > use the new ANSWER command. So in outline, it would look like this: > > dial xxxxxxx > if fail ... > (put input/output dialog here) > hangup > answer xxx ; xxx = number of seconds to wait for call > if fail ... > > At this point, you should have a usable connection. For info about > C-Kermit 6.0, see: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html > > - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 10 13:32:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA24378 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id NAA25766 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:32:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nntp-hub.barrnet.net!spk41.usace.mil!enhwco.saj.usace.army.mil From: enhwco@enhwco.saj.usace.army.mil Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: extended ascii characters and the echo on feature Date: Tue, 10 Dec 96 13:07:30 Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers, CESPK Lines: 1 Message-ID: <58k8t6$rlc@spk41.usace.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: enhwco.saj.usace.army.mil X-Newsreader: IBM WebExplorer DLL From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 10 13:32:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA24376 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id NAA25764 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:32:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nntp-hub.barrnet.net!spk41.usace.mil!enhwco.saj.usace.army.mil From: enhwco@enhwco.saj.usace.army.mil Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ASCII characters and input echo on Date: Tue, 10 Dec 96 13:18:31 Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers, CESPK Lines: 11 Message-ID: <58k9hq$rlc@spk41.usace.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: enhwco.saj.usace.army.mil X-Newsreader: IBM WebExplorer DLL I am using ckermit to call up a computer and download data using a script file with SET INPUT ECHO ON. this allows the user to be able to see the script file go through the different menus and thus be able to see the progress of the downloading process. When these menus appear, they will have a solid line border around them, consisting of extended ascii characters. but instaed where horizontal lines shouls appear, qqqqqqqqqqq appears instead; vertical line segments are represented by x, left upper corners are represented by l , and so on. Can anyone advise me as to how to correct this problem? Thank you. P.S. The script file session does not go into connect mode; when term emulation vt220 is used and ckermit is in connect mode; everything appears as it should. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 10 13:43:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA26764 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id NAA26047 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:43:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ASCII characters and input echo on Date: 10 Dec 1996 18:42:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <58kauj$emu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <58k9hq$rlc@spk41.usace.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <58k9hq$rlc@spk41.usace.mil>, wrote: : I am using ckermit to call up a computer and download data using a script : file with SET INPUT ECHO ON. : : this allows the user to be able to see the script file go through the : different menus and thus be able to see the progress of the downloading : process. When these menus appear, they will have a solid line border around : them, consisting of extended ascii characters. but instaed where horizontal : lines shouls appear, qqqqqqqqqqq appears instead; vertical line segments are : represented by x, left upper corners are represented by l , and so on. Can : anyone advise me as to how to correct this problem? Thank you. : : P.S. The script file session does not go into connect mode; when term : emulation vt220 is used and ckermit is in connect mode; everything appears : as it should. : You did not say which version of Kermit you are using on what platform and operating system. However, it is true in general -- and noted in the documentation -- that Kermit's terminal emulator is NOT active during script processing. In some cases, you can still have your screen formatted more or less as expected while echoing script material ("set input echo on") if your window or console driver emulates the type of terminal that the remote host is sending escape sequences for. If that is not possible in your case, then perhaps it would be better to "set input echo off" and simply print ("echo") informative progress messages for the user. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 10 15:44:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA23287 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA29108 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:43:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!206.66.12.35!news-in.iadfw.net!usenet From: Chris Mumford Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Has anyone used Greenleaf's CommLib? Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:39:30 -0600 Organization: Paradigm Simulation, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <32ADCA82.546B@paradigmsim.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mumfordspc.paradigmsim.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) I was wondering if anyone has used Greenleaf's CommLib product for a kermit implementation? Can this be used to write a kermit program to communicate with a kermit server on the other end of a serial line? -- Chris Mumford Voice: 972-960-2301 Paradigm Simulation, Inc. FAX : 972-960-2303 14900 Landmark Blvd., Suite 400 email: mailto:chris@paradigmsim.com Dallas, TX 75240 USA WWW : http://www.paradigmsim.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 10 19:03:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA03648 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 19:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id TAA04245 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 19:03:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Installing CMS Kermit Date: 11 Dec 1996 00:02:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <58ktmo$1uh$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: CMS VM/CMS John Chandler asked me to pass this along: It was brought to my attention that the prepackaged installation procedure for Kermit-CMS (called IKCINS EXEC) would hit an arithmetic overflow if anyone tried to install Kermit on a minidisk or SFS directory pool bigger than 2 GB (because 2 billion is the biggest integer that fits in a signed 32-bit word). A new version of the EXEC has been placed in the distribution file ikcker.ins to avoid this problem. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 10 20:34:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA19989 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 20:34:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id UAA06643 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 20:34:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Fun with Sixels Date: 11 Dec 1996 01:33:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <58l310$6bj$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu For MS-DOS Kermit users... A small collection of Sixel graphics files, most of them from John G. Zvonar, of Austin, Texas, along with John's program PCX2SIX.EXE, a DOS program to convert Windows PCX (PC Paintbrush) files to Sixel format, for display by MS-DOS Kermit's REPLAY command, or for display through MS-DOS Kermit's terminal emulator from the host. Of course, you can also display them on any real VTxxx graphics terminal (e.g. VT340), or print them on a Sixel printer. For those who don't know, Sixels are a compact way of transmitting raster graphics -- color or monochrome -- using ANSI-format escape sequences. The Sixel files, programs, and documentation are in: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/sixel/ Thanks to John for contributing this material to the Kermit archive. If anyone else has some nice Sixel examples for the gallery, let me know. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 11 12:10:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA23728 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA20847 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:10:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pumpkin.pangea.ca!news.mira.net.au!news.vbc.net!vbcnet-west!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit version 3.14 and Windows 95 Date: 11 Dec 1996 16:46:35 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 16 Message-ID: <58mohb$lli@samba.rahul.net> References: <32ADFCA3.2BED@konware.nl> Reply-To: dold@nojunk.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Gert-Jan Naaktgeboren (solhouse@konware.nl) wrote: : I'm using Kermit version 3.14 for terminel emulation to a SCO Unix machine via a TCP/IP : network. Before i installed Windows 95 i had no problems starting the packet-drivers : needed for Kermit. MSKermit 3.14 is quite happy on a serial connection under Win95. I don't think there is any way to make it work under Win95-TCP. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit will point the way to K95 which is works on TCP, both dialup PPP and 10baseT, and serial lines with Win95. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@nojunk.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 11 12:56:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA03732 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA22053 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:55:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infi.net!usenet From: lkelly@infi.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit protocol library Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 10:17:04 -0800 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 9 Message-ID: <32AEFAA0.6AE7@infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pa3dsp18.richmond.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) It seems this question has been asked recently, but I would also like to know if there exists a set of source code (or function libraries) in C that would allow me to send and receive files using the Kermit protocol within my windows application. If somebody could send me any suggestions, I would appreciate it. Lane Kelly lkelly@infi.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 11 13:11:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA06566 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id NAA22786 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:11:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit protocol library Date: 11 Dec 1996 18:10:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <58mte4$9r5$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32AEFAA0.6AE7@infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32AEFAA0.6AE7@infi.net>, wrote: : It seems this question has been asked recently, but I would also like to : know if there exists a set of source code (or function libraries) in C : that would allow me to send and receive files using the Kermit protocol : within my windows application. : Sorry, no, we do not furnish such a library. We recommend that those who wish to embed communications functions -- connection establishment, logging in and other dialogs, file management, data transfer -- do so by invoking an existing Kermit program -- MS-DOS Kermit for DOS or Windows 3.x, Kermit 95 for Windows 95 or NT, C-Kermit for UNIX or VMS, etc -- from within their application by a combination of command-line arguments and command files (Kermit script programs). The situation might change in the future, but for now that is the answer. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 11 16:38:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA19334 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id QAA28306 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:38:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!hammer.msfc.nasa.gov!cyberspam!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,control From: news@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov Message-ID: Control: cancel <58n9jc$f2l@hil-news-svc-5.compuserve.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <58n9jc$f2l@hil-news-svc-5.compuserve.com> no reply ignore Reply-To: bitbucket@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 21:37:53 GMT Approved: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Canceled-By: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Cancel-Flags: a Sender: invest@goldbergservices.com Lines: 8 ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. 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For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 11 18:29:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA09831 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 18:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id SAA01045 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 18:29:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!news.pbi.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using MSKermit for email Date: 11 Dec 1996 23:12:28 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 19 Message-ID: <58nf4s$5da@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: dold@nojunk.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I want to use Pegasus email as an email tool for some field personel. It will run on their DOS laptops, but does not include a transfer protocol. They currenlty use MSKermit to dial in to a Unix box, and use C-Kermit to up and download other data. I see some "mail" keywords in "Using C-Kermit", but this looks like a one-way tool. Are there some tools floating around that might help me here, or do I need to go to a BBS, like "Waffle", suggested by Pegasus for this use? Currently, the users just visit a very simple upload/download menu. I don't want to use online Unix email due to the time constraints for our limited modem pool. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@nojunk.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 11 18:36:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA12887 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 18:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id SAA01287 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 18:36:13 -0500 (EST) Control: cancel <58nb3r$6bei@usenet1w.prodigy.net> Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!news From: Subscribe2@Juno.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <58nb3r$6bei@usenet1w.prodigy.net> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 96 22:03:45 GMT Lines: 3 Cancelled - doesn't fit Prodigy(r) "Terms of Use" Questions to admin@prodigy.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 11 18:44:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA13871 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 18:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id SAA01437 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 18:44:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MSKermit for email Date: 11 Dec 1996 23:43:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <58ngua$pr6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <58nf4s$5da@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <58nf4s$5da@samba.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: : I want to use Pegasus email as an email tool for some field personel. : It will run on their DOS laptops, but does not include a transfer protocol. : They currenlty use MSKermit to dial in to a Unix box, and use C-Kermit to : up and download other data. : : I see some "mail" keywords in "Using C-Kermit", but this looks like a : one-way tool. : : Are there some tools floating around that might help me here, or do I need : to go to a BBS, like "Waffle", suggested by Pegasus for this use? : : Currently, the users just visit a very simple upload/download menu. : I don't want to use online Unix email due to the time constraints for our : limited modem pool. : I can't give you step-by-step instructions, but I have heard from various people who have used Kermit as the transport underneath email systems, including between Pegasus and Kermit: MS-DOS Kermit under Pegasus, and C-Kermit on UNIX. The uploading and downloading of mail is done by an MS-DOS Kermit script, as well as making and closing the connection, authentication, and so forth. Anybody out there who has done this is encouraged to share their experience and/or scripts. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 11 21:00:57 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA01679 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 21:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id VAA05069 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 21:00:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!192.48.96.24!not-for-mail From: schulhof@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: test Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:46:25 Lines: 3 Message-ID: <58no5d$bap@news1-alterdial.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust84.max1.santa-clara.ca.ms.uu.net this is only a test, john do you see this. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 11 21:26:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA03801 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 21:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id VAA05648 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 21:26:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Has anyone used Greenleaf's CommLib? Message-ID: <1996Dec11.130612.90483@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Dec 96 13:06:12 MDT References: <32ADCA82.546B@paradigmsim.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 In article <32ADCA82.546B@paradigmsim.com>, Chris Mumford writes: > I was wondering if anyone has used Greenleaf's CommLib product for a > kermit implementation? Can this be used to write a kermit program > to communicate with a kermit server on the other end of a serial line? ------------ There's a danger I am undershooting the question with this answer. If the Greenleaf library is used to move bytes to/from the serial port then that's fine. I have no idea about their Kermit protocol support, but then you wanted to write that part yourself. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 12 02:09:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA18195 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:09:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id CAA13033 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:09:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!visi.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!206.124.68.65!newsfeed.gte.net!uucp.heavens.org!spirit.org! From: Someone Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Your GOD Loves You - YES YOU! Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:07:43 PST Organization: GTE Intelligent Network Services, GTE INS Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1212199602074382176573624651Someone@home.thinking.about.you.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: npr236030.gte.net I hope that you know your GOD loves you, no matter what GOD you believe in. Thank your GOD for life and ask your GOD to let you live as your GOD would want you to. When we look closely at GOD we begin to realize that we all believe in the same GOD, we may see GOD in different ways, but GOD will always be GOD. There can only be one GOD, and that one GOD loves us all, and wants nothing but the best for us. If your in doubt, just remember GOD works in mysterious ways, there is a reason for everything... God thank you. Someone From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 12 02:23:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA20522 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id CAA13389 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:23:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!venus.sun.com!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!male.EBay.Sun.COM!engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM!engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM!usenet From: schulhof@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <58no5d$bap@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Control: cancel <58no5d$bap@news1-alterdial.uu.net> Date: 12 Dec 1996 02:26:24 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Lines: 0 Message-ID: <58nqgg$70p@engnews1.Eng.Sun.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: pitts.eng.sun.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 12 10:53:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA16169 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id KAA03447 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:53:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!cyberspam!usenet Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Sender: Someone Date: 12 Dec 1996 10:24:21 EST Control: cancel <1212199602074382176573624651Someone@home.thinking.about.you.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <1212199602074382176573624651Someone@home.thinking.about.you.com> no reply ignore Message-ID: X-Cancelled-By: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu X-No-Archive: Yes Lines: 3 Xref: news.columbia.edu control.cancel:821859 Spam cancelled by dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu original subject was Your GOD Loves You - YES YOU! From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 12 15:27:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA15033 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 15:27:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA12849 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 15:27:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!tezcat!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!mr.net!newshub.tc.umn.edu!newsstand.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: reind002@gold.tc.umn.edu (Wilhelm J Reindl) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: Why shell xfer slow? Date: 12 Dec 1996 13:16:50 -0600 Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 11 Message-ID: <58pln2$gus@gold.tc.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gold.tc.umn.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6269 Using kermit from within Telix I get a very slow cps rate, about 300. My connection will obviously handle much more than that. I have looked at my settings, but I don't know what changes to try. Packet length is 90 but I don't see how it would be the cause. It this the appropriate place to ask this, or are there better sites/mailing lists, etc.? Please reply to: reindl@aem.umn.edu, or here. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 12 15:39:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA19420 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 15:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA13347 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 15:39:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: Why shell xfer slow? Date: 12 Dec 1996 20:38:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <58pqfn$rle$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <58pln2$gus@gold.tc.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6270 In article <58pln2$gus@gold.tc.umn.edu>, Wilhelm J Reindl wrote: : Using kermit from within Telix I get a very slow cps rate, about 300. My : connection will obviously handle much more than that. I have looked at : my settings, but I don't know what changes to try. Packet length is 90 : but I don't see how it would be the cause. : Telix has only a minimal Kermit implementation; see the benchmarks in: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/perf.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/perf.doc or our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt If you want fast Kermit file transfer you need to have a better Kermit implementation, like the ones found in Kermit software from the Kermit Project, including MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows 3.x, Kermit 95 for Windows 95 and NT, C-Kermit for UNIX, etc: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ : It this the appropriate place to ask this, or are there better : sites/mailing lists, etc.? : This is the right place. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 12 22:06:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA28379 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id WAA01253 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:06:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hey, my screen changed Date: 13 Dec 1996 02:58:57 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 22 Message-ID: <58qgph$liv@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: dold@nojunk.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6271 Running K95 1.1.7... I loaded a cute little gizmo from microsoft.com that allows me to change screen resolutions without rebooting. Now I notice (perhaps coincidence), that the screen created when I invoke a connection from the K-95 Dialer has no toolbar, and the size is messed up. I never have been able to figure out how to get the size I want, but the standard one was always okay until today ;-( The MSDOS window created from the start-program item is still the size that it (and K95) used to be. I patched to K95 1.1.8, but the screen size is still bad, not that I expected it to change. The only decent screen now is to hit alt-enter and go to full screen, but I don't like that as much as the somehat smaller maximized window that I used to have. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@nojunk.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 12 22:33:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA03251 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id WAA02384 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:33:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!news1.sunbelt.net!usenet From: "Ray Timmons" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need 2 sounds from K95 Date: 13 Dec 1996 03:20:03 GMT Organization: Info Avenue INTERNET Access Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bbe8a4$7bcc0770$fa9204c7@ray> NNTP-Posting-Host: ray.aik.tec.sc.us X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6272 We have a person here that has been keying on a VT terminal and very used to two sounds on one application she uses a lot. One sound when she has entered all the data, another when she makes an error. (K95 ver 1.18) She gets the same sound with both instances with K95 and is not happy. I changed the sound in one place (default sound I think) and both changed to the new sound. Is there anything I can do to make her happy other than give her terminal back? Ray T. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 12 22:48:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA04563 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id WAA03145 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:48:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hey, my screen changed Date: 13 Dec 1996 03:47:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <58qjkc$irq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <58qgph$liv@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6273 In article <58qgph$liv@samba.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: : Running K95 1.1.7... : I loaded a cute little gizmo from microsoft.com that allows me to change : screen resolutions without rebooting. : Now I notice (perhaps coincidence), that the screen created when I invoke : a connection from the K-95 Dialer has no toolbar, and the size is messed : up. I never have been able to figure out how to get the size I want, but : the standard one was always okay until today ;-( Not a coincidence. When you change resolutions you invalidate the previous settings for the default windows. Go to the WINDOWS\SYSTEM folder and edit the properties for CONAGENT.EXE. This is the app whose settings are used when creating a new instance of Kermit-95 or any other Win32 Console application. : The MSDOS window created from the start-program item is still the size that : it (and K95) used to be. Because it is a 16-bit DOS application and uses an old fashioned PIF file. : I patched to K95 1.1.8, but the screen size is still bad, not that I : expected it to change. : : The only decent screen now is to hit alt-enter and go to full screen, but I : don't like that as much as the somehat smaller maximized window that I used : to have. See above. Jeffrey Altman * Kermit Development Group * Columbia University * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 12 22:50:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA04794 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id WAA03214 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:50:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need 2 sounds from K95 Date: 13 Dec 1996 03:49:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <58qjoa$iue$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bbe8a4$7bcc0770$fa9204c7@ray> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6274 In article <01bbe8a4$7bcc0770$fa9204c7@ray>, Ray Timmons wrote: : We have a person here that has been keying on a VT terminal and very used : to two sounds on one application she uses a lot. One sound when she has : entered all the data, another when she makes an error. (K95 ver 1.18) : : She gets the same sound with both instances with K95 and is not happy. : I changed the sound in one place (default sound I think) and both changed : to the new sound. Is there anything I can do to make her happy other than : give her terminal back? The terminal window can only generate one sound (beep) because it is only responding to BEL characters from the host. K95 for all other purposes uses three sounds. You can test them from the command prompt with BEEP { INFORMATION, WARNING, ERROR } Jeffrey Altman * Kermit Development Group * Columbia University * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 13 10:41:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA01962 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id KAA12949 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:41:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.smart.net!smarty.smart.net!bkuhn From: bkuhn@acm.org (Bradley M. Kuhn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris,comp.sys.sun.admin Subject: Solaris 2.x, SAC with kermit, old, know problem, does kermit 6.0.192 fix it? Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.admin Date: 13 Dec 1996 15:31:31 GMT Organization: None Lines: 72 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <58rssj$49m@news.smart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: smarty.smart.net Originator: bkuhn@smarty.smart.net Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6275 comp.unix.solaris:104880 comp.sys.sun.admin:91602 I just recently upgraded to 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, Solaris 2.x, on my SS20 running Solaris 2.4 (5.4 Generic_101945-43) w/ all recommended patches from SUN. I did this upgrade mainly to get around the Solaris 2.x "known bug" with the Port Monitor on bi-directional modems. I already know of the 'pmadm -e' work around, but from reading the documentation (and the source) it seems like an attempt was made to make kermit work properly with the Solaris 2.x bidirectional port monitor. The following excerpt from the ckuker.bwr file in the current distribution: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE: The rest of the problems in this section have to do with bidirectional tty lines and the Solaris Port Monitor. Hopefully these are all fixed in C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta.029, 22 Aug 96. ... Still later (Nov 94): another user (Bo Kullmar in Sweden) reports that after using C-Kermit to dial out on a bidirectional port, the port might not answer subsequent incoming calls, and says "the problem is easy enough to to fix with the Serial Port Manager; I just delete the service and and install it again using the graphical interface, which underneath uses commands like sacadm and pmadm." Later Bo reports, "I have found that if I run Kermit with the following script then it works. This script is for /dev/cua/a, -s a is the last a in /dev/cua/a #! /bin/sh kermit sleep 2 surun pmadm -e -p zsmon -s a (end quote) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- However, for me, the behavior with 6.0.192 is exactly the same as with the older 5A versions of kermit. After dialing out with kermit, the modem will still answer for dialins, but the login prompts aren't given. running pmadm -e ... fixes it, but this fixed it with 5A versions as well! Frank da Cruz from the kermit-support group has been very helpful, and mentioned that there were many other bugs with Solaris (like crashing the kernel) that 5A(190) had but 6.0.192 doesn't. However, the ckuker.bwr file seems to suggest that my problem is fixed too. Frank reiterated that kermit makes no attempt to talk to Solaris' NON-STANDARD SAC and that kermit-support recommends that one user wrappers to reset the bi-directionality after using kermit. I have no problem using the wrapper, if that is the only way. However, Frank also said the following to me in email: By the way, as soon as I announced 6.0.192, I got mail back from several Solaris users who were happy as can be because the problems they were having did indeed go away. But again, I think these were the other problems of the more serious nature (which were not, to my knowledge, Kermit's fault to begin with, because the same code ran harmlessly on numerous non-Solaris platforms). So, my question is to anyone using kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 1996 on Solaris 2.x: Do you sill have to run the pmadm -e command to fix a bi-directional port after using kermit? I just want to know if I can configure eeprom, ttymon, etc. differently so I don't have to use pmadm -e after each kermit use. (It would make things easier, as I wouldn't need to sudo from pmadm etc.) Finally, I would like to thank Frank da Cruz for all his expedient help on this matter. I tend to agree with him that if SUN insists on using the proprietary SAC, they should at least give an API so that programs like kermit can be used to dialout and work just as well as cu & co. supplied from the vendor. -- -- Bradley M. Kuhn http://www.smart.net/~bkuhn bkuhn@acm.org GCS/MU/L y+*>$ r++ s+:+>+:- d-(--)>pu t+++ 5++ X+ tv+()@ b++(+)>+++ DI++++ e++(+++)>$ PGP++(+++) C++++$ ULSUVA++++$ P++++$ L+++ E++(+++)@$ W++ Y++ N++(+++)$ PS++(+++) PE(--) G++ h w-- O- M-@ V-- K R>+ o?>+ D---- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 13 10:50:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA03798 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id KAA13407 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:50:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!192.89.123.24!nntp.inet.fi!news.funet.fi!ousrvr3.oulu.fi!news From: Esa Pikkarainen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MSKermit for email Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:04:10 +0200 Organization: University of Oulu, Fi, F. of Education Lines: 39 Message-ID: <32B0FFEA.7139@ktk.oulu.fi> References: <58nf4s$5da@samba.rahul.net> <58ngua$pr6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc121085.oulu.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6276 Frank da Cruz wrote: > I can't give you step-by-step instructions, but I have heard from various > people who have used Kermit as the transport underneath email systems, > including between Pegasus and Kermit: MS-DOS Kermit under Pegasus, and > C-Kermit on UNIX. The uploading and downloading of mail is done by an > MS-DOS Kermit script, as well as making and closing the connection, > authentication, and so forth. > > Anybody out there who has done this is encouraged to share their experience > and/or scripts. > > - Frank I have not yet done it, but im just working for a system to download my new mail via this kind of chain: - in home: laptop, Kermit 3.14, and modem (9600) - in university computer center: Unix, ftp - in my faculty: Novell network, Pegasus, ftp-server Planned action: 1. I connect to Unix with modem and Kermit 2. I connect from Unix to Novell with FTP 3. I download from my own maildirectory all new message files first by ftp to Unix and then by Kermit to laptop. All this should be scripted to Kermit(???) Then I read the messages with an editor (I think I must try to find an ofline reader or make such with qbasic) and write posible answers. The answers and other new mail I then upload to Unix with Kermit's Mail-command - or as files and send them with Pine. Any comments? I will inform you how I succeed with this plan... -- Esa Pikkarainen Tel:358-81-5533691 Fax: -5533600 Fac of Ed, Univ of Oulu E-mail: epikkara@ktk.oulu.fi P.O. Box 222, SF-90571 Oulu (Snelmania, KTK338) :-) WWW: http://wwwedu.oulu.fi/homepage/epikkara/index.htm From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 13 11:29:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA11654 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id LAA15017 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:29:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!192.89.123.24!nntp.inet.fi!news.funet.fi!ousrvr3.oulu.fi!news From: Esa Pikkarainen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can I use variable arrays in dos K 3.14? Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:49:46 +0200 Organization: University of Oulu, Fi, F. of Education Lines: 16 Message-ID: <32B0FC8A.2F4F@ktk.oulu.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc121085.oulu.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6277 In Dos Kermit 3.14 there seems not to be any variable arrays proper (like in basic x$(i) where i index can be changin number), are there? Do you know any work arounds for this (e.g. to define the name of a variable to a numerical value)? I would have much use for this feature in my scripts: select file names from a directory listing is maybe the most important; then making easily editable option lists; maybe a tiny editor; etc. thank you -- Esa Pikkarainen Tel:358-81-5533691 Fax: -5533600 Fac of Ed, Univ of Oulu E-mail: epikkara@ktk.oulu.fi P.O. Box 222, SF-90571 Oulu (Snelmania, KTK338) :-) WWW: http://wwwedu.oulu.fi/homepage/epikkara/index.htm From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 13 11:38:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA15411 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id LAA15367 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:38:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can I use variable arrays in dos K 3.14? Date: 13 Dec 1996 16:37:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <58s0ns$bq0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32B0FC8A.2F4F@ktk.oulu.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6278 In article <32B0FC8A.2F4F@ktk.oulu.fi>, Esa Pikkarainen wrote: : In Dos Kermit 3.14 there seems not to be any variable arrays proper : (like in basic x$(i) where i index can be changin number), are there? : No, there are not. Arrays have been added in version 3.15, now in Beta test. They are exactly the same as in C-Kermit. Like C-Kermit, it will also have FOR loops, etc. For example, here is a how to declare a 200-element array and then assign a value to each member: declare \&a[200] for \%i 1 200 1 { assign \&a[\%i] \%i } MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 8 is available at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 13 12:04:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA19999 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA16280 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:04:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!eru.mt.luth.se!pumpkin.pangea.ca!news.mira.net.au!news.vbc.net!vbcnet-west!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hey, my screen changed Date: 13 Dec 1996 16:56:36 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 19 Message-ID: <58s1s5$8r4@samba.rahul.net> References: <58qgph$liv@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: dold@nojunk.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6279 Clarence Dold (dold@rahul.net) wrote: : Running K95 1.1.7... : I loaded a cute little gizmo from microsoft.com that allows me to change : screen resolutions without rebooting. : Now I notice (perhaps coincidence), that the screen created when I invoke : a connection from the K-95 Dialer has no toolbar, and the size is messed : up. I never have been able to figure out how to get the size I want, but : the standard one was always okay until today ;-( Thanks to Jeff for putting up with my apparently braindead "nojunk" filter, to get the answer through to me. The "auto" font changed, so I had to specify the startup font deisred in the Properties for \windows\system\conagent.exe -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@nojunk.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 13 16:13:28 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA10941 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id QAA25779 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:13:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!EU.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!surfnet.nl!swidir.switch.ch!serra.unipi.it!mikasa.iol.it!news From: "otaku" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for MS-DOS Kermit Script Samples Date: 12 Dec 1996 19:46:15 GMT Organization: Italia Online Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bbe83f$c97089c0$0100007f@localhost> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.20.26.84 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Does anybody know where I can find script samples for MS-DOS kermit 3.14. The book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" is not easy to find in Italy. Thanks and cheers. Luca Mazzocchi Via Marconi, 15 Cinisello Balsamo 20092 Milano Italia From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 13 16:15:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA11298 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id QAA25835 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:15:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!dciteleport.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!daryl.scsn.net!news From: Cathy Brown Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Great Job Opportunity!! Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 15:23:20 -0800 Organization: Computer Consulting Group Lines: 20 Message-ID: <32B093E8.203A@cconsulting.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cola85.scsn.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Computer Consulting Group has an opening in Richmond, VA for a Technical Analyst. The scope of the position will be to determine the requirements for integrating the CDS Mail Hub with Netscape Mail server. In addition, a cost benefit analysis will be performed to determine what futher steps should be taken. If it is determined that the integration effort is minimal, actual integration will occur. The qualified candidate's responsibilities will be to determine requirements, X.500 design, integration plan, and documentation. Computer Consulting Group offers competitive salaries, benefits, 401k, relocation packages and much, much more. If you are interested please contact: Cathy Brown 1-800-222-1273 phone cathyb@cconsulting.com or fax resume to: 1-800-539-3339 From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 13 16:47:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA19647 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:47:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id QAA27125 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:47:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Uploading Microcom firmware into Deskporte modem? Date: 13 Dec 1996 21:46:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <58siro$skk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu An anonymous persion tried to post the following, but failed: Has anyone successfully uploaded from a Solaris Sun System, running UNIX OS (or Linux or U*IX) , used KERMIT (any version) to upload an ASCII firmware file to a Microcom Deskporte FAST Modem? If so, would you mind sharing the steps necessary to do so. If your tried and failed, can you tell me why it might fail? I'm not too sure about How Kermit transfers files in ASCII mode. Does the version of Kermit used under UNIX support a "single ended" ASCII transfer? The command for this in C-Kermit is "transmit". It's designed for use only with text files, but with some care it can also be used to upload a binary file. I have used basic forms of ASCII in the DEC DOS world to DEC VMS, and DEC PDP11, and MS-Kermit to DEC VMS, but never tried to use it to pass a file without another Kermit on the other end. I would think it would be similar to transferring a file to a serial port, like a serial printer or to an LPT printer port. There is a chapter in "Using C-Kermit" about it. If the modem doesn't support Kermit, though, you might be better off trying another protocol; some of them support XMODEM. But then you have the problem of finding a version of XMODEM that lets you transfer files on an assigned serial device rather than /dev/tty. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 14 16:06:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA08018 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 16:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id QAA00565 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 16:06:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mindspring.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!198.6.114.27!intac!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!cyberspam!usenet Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: dsr@mail.lns.cornell.edu Sender: Ones-And-Zeros@Prodigy.net Date: 14 Dec 1996 12:50:21 EST Control: cancel <58u5u8$7a1m@usenet1w.prodigy.net> Subject: cmsg cancel <58u5u8$7a1m@usenet1w.prodigy.net> no reply ignore Message-ID: X-Cancelled-By: dsr@mail.lns.cornell.edu X-No-Archive: Yes Lines: 3 Spam cancelled by dsr@mail.lns.cornell.edu original subject was ! MASS POST Was Here (lhxonj) From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 14 20:09:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA17045 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 20:09:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id UAA08825 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 20:09:23 -0500 (EST) Control: cancel <58u5u8$7a1m@usenet1w.prodigy.net> Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!192.207.105.50!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!news From: Ones-And-Zeros@Prodigy.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <58u5u8$7a1m@usenet1w.prodigy.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 96 12:18:15 GMT Lines: 2 Commercial SPAM Questions to news@prodigy.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 15 21:42:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA14694 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 1996 21:42:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id VAA03370 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 15 Dec 1996 21:42:32 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: 2nd edition _Using C Kermit_ Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 01:27:15 GMT Lines: 6 Sender: wpfulmor@netcom7.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6283 Is it possible to pick up a copy of Using C Kermit in person at Columbia? Thanks. Bill From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 16 09:44:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA07736 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id JAA11565 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:44:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2nd edition _Using C Kermit_ Date: 16 Dec 1996 14:43:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-ID: <593n5r$ll5$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , william p fulmor wrote: : Is it possible to pick up a copy of Using C Kermit in person at Columbia? : Please send order inquiries to kermit-orders@columbia.edu. I've forwarded yours, thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 16 14:24:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA02906 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id OAA21983 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:24:03 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!news From: rwe Subject: Re: Uploading Microcom firmware into Deskporte modem? Sender: news@world.std.com (Mr Usenet Himself) Message-ID: <32B5C865.17A@world.std.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:08:37 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <58siro$skk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: world.std.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) Organization: It's A Great Day to be Alive! Lines: 38 Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > I would think it would be similar to transferring a file to a serial > port, like a serial printer or to an LPT printer port. > > There is a chapter in "Using C-Kermit" about it. If the modem doesn't > support Kermit, though, you might be better off trying another protocol; > some of them support XMODEM. But then you have the problem of finding a > version of XMODEM that lets you transfer files on an assigned serial device > rather than /dev/tty. > > - Frank Thank you for the input, but i did fail to mention a couple of steps in the process. For example, If I were to use something like ProCom or Crosstalk (under DOS or Windows), the process becomes: - Log onto the port. Issue RTS/CTS command to the modem. - Issue a special AT command (at^h) to the modem (at which point the modem 'waits' for the ascii file transfer to begin. Not ulike programming a EEROM. - "Select" or "Click" on FILE TRANSFER, ASCII Upload. At which point the protocol is strictly ascii transfer because it is reprogramming the eeram (nvram). In attempting to emulate this process using MS-Kermit V3.14, after setting up the mscustom.ini file, then issuing the CONNECT command, then AT^H (that special command) ... Or is TRANSMIT just available in C-Kermit? Hopefully, this will be clearer. I also did not locate this in MS-Kermit V3.00? by C. Gianone from Digital Press (ca. 1991) Thanks, Bob From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 16 15:59:44 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA21804 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA25428 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:59:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading Microcom firmware into Deskporte modem? Date: 16 Dec 1996 20:58:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-ID: <594d5e$d0g$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <58siro$skk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <32B5C865.17A@world.std.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <32B5C865.17A@world.std.com>, rwe wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > There is a chapter in "Using C-Kermit" about it. If the modem doesn't : > support Kermit, though, you might be better off trying another protocol; : > some of them support XMODEM. But then you have the problem of finding a : > version of XMODEM that lets you transfer files on an assigned serial device : > rather than /dev/tty. : : Thank you for the input, but i did fail to mention a couple of steps in : the process. For example, If I were to use something like ProCom or : Crosstalk (under DOS or Windows), the process becomes: : - Log onto the port. Issue RTS/CTS command to the modem. : - Issue a special AT command (at^h) to the modem (at which point the : modem 'waits' for the ascii file transfer to begin. Not ulike : programming a EEROM. : - "Select" or "Click" on FILE TRANSFER, ASCII Upload. : At which point the protocol is strictly ascii transfer because it is : reprogramming the eeram (nvram). : : In attempting to emulate this process using MS-Kermit V3.14, after : setting up the mscustom.ini file, then issuing the CONNECT command, then : AT^H (that special command) ... : : Or is TRANSMIT just available in C-Kermit? : It's in MS-DOS Kermit too. Did you try it? : Hopefully, this will be clearer. I also did not locate this in MS-Kermit : V3.00? by C. Gianone from Digital Press (ca. 1991) : It's the subject of Chapter 12. Just try it: 1. In CONNECT mode, type AT^H and then press the Enter key. 2. Escape back to the MS-DOS Kermit prompt with Alt-X. 3. Type "transmit xxx", where xxx is the filename. I'm not sure what you're supposed to do to indicate to the modem that the transfer is complete, but I assume you have directions for that. If the above works, you're done. If it doesn't, then read about the SET TRANSMIT command to customize how TRANSMIT works. If it still doesn't work, get back to us with specific symptoms, questions, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 16 22:09:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA21022 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id WAA08152 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:09:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!hammer.msfc.nasa.gov!cyberspam!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,control From: news@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov Message-ID: Control: cancel <594bgu$j80@oolong.memphis.edu> Subject: cmsg cancel <594bgu$j80@oolong.memphis.edu> no reply ignore Reply-To: bitbucket@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:00:42 GMT Approved: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Canceled-By: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Cancel-Flags: a Sender: InfiNet@columbia.edu Lines: 8 ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. 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For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 17 19:38:19 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA17936 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 1996 19:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id TAA12062 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Dec 1996 19:38:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!gaivota.demon.co.uk!fonseca From: Carlos Fonseca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: bug report (msk315b9.exe) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:23:24 +0000 Lines: 34 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: gaivota.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gaivota.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6287 I have the following problem with msk315b9.exe. I have a Paradise Autoswitch EGA card attached to a monochrom monitor. In mono EGA or autoswitch mode, connecting and then switching to graphics mode and back to text mode again (e.g., using Alt-=DF on a German keyboard) locks up the PC. This does not happen with v3.14. The PC is a 286 with 640+384K, under DOS (not Windows). himem.sys is loaded, as is a packet driver (ne2000 compatible ether card). There are 256 K of memory on the graphics card.=20 The crash happens with SET TERM EXPANDED OFF. The PC has no expanded memory. However, with SET TERM EXPANDED EXTENDED, switching between graphics and text no longer causes a crash, but the graphics screen becomes totally corrupted. I was able to reproduce this on two other different machines: a 386 with a VGA card and a 486 with a SVGA card. The EGA card on the 286 and the SVGA card on the 486 use WD chipsets, and it is possible that the VGA card on the 386 also does. Also, all 3 are fitted with NE2000 compatible ether cards, although the packet drivers may be different versions.=20 Unfortunately, Joe Doupnik hasn't been able to reproduce this on the machines he has access to. I wonder if somebody with a similar configuration (WD graphics/NE2000 ether) can verify that this crash does occur. Please Cc: any replies to me. Thanks, Carlos P.S.: If I understand it correctly, NE2000 cards are IO mapped, not memory mapped, so a memory conflict should not be the case. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 17 23:08:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA18548 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 1996 23:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id XAA21954 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Dec 1996 23:08:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!192.89.123.24!nntp.inet.fi!crawler.dlc.fi!usenet From: jorge@mailloop.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Bulk Mail Software Date: 18 Dec 1996 03:19:49 GMT Organization: Mailloop Software Lines: 8 Message-ID: <597nsl$k75@crawler.dlc.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc02525.concentric.net Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6288 Mailloop is bulk mailing software that will revolutionize how people advertise on the internet... See what all the fuss is about: http://www.mailloop.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 18 00:44:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA02897 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id AAA27375 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:44:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!kithrup.com!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <597nsl$k75@crawler.dlc.fi> Date: 18 Dec 1996 04:53:08 GMT Control: cancel <597nsl$k75@crawler.dlc.fi> Message-ID: Sender: jorge@mailloop.com X-Cancelled-By: sef@kithrup.com Approved: sef@kithrup.com Lines: 1 Xref: news.columbia.edu control.cancel:919635 Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 18 02:53:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA27213 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 02:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id CAA03335 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 02:53:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!usenet From: shfung@direct.ca (Simon H. P. Fung) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for SCO UNIX Date: 18 Dec 1996 07:36:45 GMT Organization: Canada Internet Direct Customer Lines: 3 Message-ID: <5986ud$ffo$1@orb.direct.ca> Reply-To: shfung@direct.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: van-as-10a12.direct.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6289 Does anyone know where I can download a copy of Kermit for SCO UNIX? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 18 05:18:10 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id FAA15130 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 05:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id FAA11510 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 05:18:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!demos!Gamma.RU!srcc!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.ruhr-uni-bochum.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!UNF315 From: UNF315@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CP/M-86 Kermit for IBM PC (XT or AT) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 96 11:08:02 MEZ Organization: RHRZ Uni-Bonn Lines: 8 Message-ID: <178619C92S85.UNF315@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6290 Hi all, subject says it all. Is there such a programm? I checked already watsun, but didn't find anything. Thanks in advance Uwe. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 18 10:38:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA13202 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 10:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id KAA16594 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 10:38:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for SCO UNIX Date: 18 Dec 1996 15:38:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 7 Message-ID: <59934r$661$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5986ud$ffo$1@orb.direct.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6291 In article <5986ud$ffo$1@orb.direct.ca>, Simon H. P. Fung wrote: : Does anyone know where I can download a copy of Kermit for SCO UNIX? : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 18 10:47:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA14701 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 10:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id KAA17125 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 10:47:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CP/M-86 Kermit for IBM PC (XT or AT) Date: 18 Dec 1996 15:46:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <5993l7$6ph$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <178619C92S85.UNF315@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6292 In article <178619C92S85.UNF315@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>, wrote: : subject says it all. Is there such a programm? I checked already : watsun, but didn't find anything. : Amazingly enough, we don't have one. We have 13 other CP/M-86 species however, in two major geni -- the Columbia U version (C86) and the Birmingham U version (CN8), all in the kermit/c directory on kermit.columbia.edu CN8 C Argos Pro PC CCPM86 ASM86 2.9 86/04/10 Birmingham U CN8 C Daisy PCi CCPM86 ASM86 2.9 86/04/10 Birmingham U C86 C DEC Rainbow CPM86 ASM86 2.9 84/12/03 Columbia U CN8 C Fallon 2000 CCPM86 ASM86 2.9 86/04/10 Birmingham U CN8 C FTS PCi CCPM86 ASM86 2.9 86/04/10 Birmingham U C86 C Fujitsu Micro16s CPM86 ASM86 2.9 85/09/23 WRIST Inc C86 C Future FX20/FX30 CPM86 ASM86 2.9 86/04/10 Birmingham U CN8 C ICL PC 2 CCPM86 ASM86 2.9 87/05/17 Nottingham U CN8 C ICL PC Quattro CCPM86 ASM86 2.9 87/05/17 Nottingham U C86 C NEC APC CPM86 ASM86 2.9 84/12/03 U Washington CN8 C Orion PCi CCPM86 ASM86 2.9 86/04/10 Birmingham U C86 C Tektronix 4170 CPM86 ASM86 2.9 84/12/03 TransEra Corp. C86 C Victor/Sirius 1 CPM86 ASM86 2.9 86/07/07 Utah State U It should be fairly easy to modify one of these to work on the PC -- I'd recommend the NEC APC version, as the NEC APC is probably closest to the IBM PC of all the non-compatibles listed above. I recall that someone was working on an IBM PC version but cancelled the project when it became apparent that MS/PC-DOS was going to make CP/M-86 "irrelevant". I'll make some inquiries; maybe there is a partially completed version lurking somewhere. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 18 12:04:32 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA00391 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 12:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA20846 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 12:04:30 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: 2nd edition _Using C Kermit_ Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 01:27:15 GMT Lines: 6 Sender: wpfulmor@netcom7.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6293 Is it possible to pick up a copy of Using C Kermit in person at Columbia? Thanks. Bill From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 18 15:16:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA17527 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 15:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA02721 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 15:16:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!cdc2.cdc.net!news.stealth.net!news.dorsai.org!news.dorsai.org!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script for dialing Voicemail Date: 18 Dec 1996 15:03:08 -0500 Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC 11357-3436-287 USA Lines: 9 Message-ID: <599ils$mrs@amanda.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: amanda.dorsai.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6294 Has anyone written a script for punching certain instructions to a voicemail system using Kermit? I want to use it to get my SkyFax mailbox to download. Perhaps later even to send pages or listen to my creditcard balances. -- Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bioengineer-Financier, NYC Bach-Mozart ReaganQuayleGramm Evrytano-Kastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFinanc&Indus vjp2@{MCIMail.Com|CIS.CompuServe.Com|Dorsai.Org}, http://WWW.Dorsai.Org/~vjp2 ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 18 15:23:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA18431 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 15:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA03168 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 15:23:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Script for dialing Voicemail Date: 18 Dec 1996 20:22:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <599jq5$q18$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <599ils$mrs@amanda.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6295 In article <599ils$mrs@amanda.dorsai.org>, Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA wrote: : Has anyone written a script for punching certain instructions : to a voicemail system using Kermit? I want to use it to : get my SkyFax mailbox to download. Perhaps later : even to send pages or listen to my creditcard balances. : Kermit only knows how to talk to a computer -- which includes a modem's command interface. Note that voicemail systems do not send carrier. It is a voice connection. Anything that you do along these lines would be a function of your modem's dialing capabilities (see your modem manual, the section on dial modifiers). If you can do it by hand at the modem's command processer, then making a Kermit script is a simple matter of sending the same characters that you would have typed. Sending pages is another matter, see the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 18 17:19:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA09740 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 17:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id RAA08681 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 17:19:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.9 Date: 18 Dec 1996 22:18:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 99 Message-ID: <599qja$459$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6296 Version 1.1.9 of Kermit 95 is now available as a patch to versions 1.1.7 or 1.1.8. The main purpose of this release is to correct several annoying bugs in the 1.1.8 release, most of them artifacts of the Unicode conversion, notably: . Page faults when "set terminal character-set transparent" was used . Keyboard character-set translation problems . Broken Hebrew and Russian keyboard modes . Broken dead-key and Alt-Gr support . Broken Latin-2 Compose key . Broken print-screen and transparent-print functions . Some problems with HP2621 emulation . VMS SET TERM/WIDTH=xxx did not always clear screen plus several other lower-profile bugs. There are also a few new features, including: . Improved horizontal scrolling . EDIT, SET EDITOR, SHOW EDITOR and a new "netedit" feature . XSEND32 utility for sending directory trees . Support for host WordPerfect private character-set designation . (Partial) HPTERM emulation (Hewlett Packard "term0") . (Partial) Honeywell VIP7809 emulation . SET SEND DOUBLE-CHARACTER and SET RECEIVE IGNORE-CHARACTER The last two items are for compatibility with MS-DOS Kermit, and are used for accessing and transferring files with Honeywell DPS-6 mainframes. Kermit's VIP7809 emulation is just a minor modification to VT102 involving the "what are you?" query and response and does not, at this time, claim to be true VIP terminal emulation. The SET SEND/RECEIVE commands are useful for helping file transfers to work through communication front ends that use a printable character (like @) as an escape character (like the old ARPAnet TIP or TAC), and for stripping out line-folding control characters that have been inserted into incoming packets, e.g. by an X.3 PAD or a DPS-6 front end. HPTERM emulation is the basic Hewlett Packard "Term0" specification used by the hpterm X-terminal on HP workstations, and compatible with most actual HP terminal types. It is quite serviceable, but at present lacks color, key labels, and a few other features, to be filled in later on if demand warrants. The horizontal scrolling item is to compensate for the Windows 95 bug that prevents use of 132-column (or other odd-size) windows in Console mode. Kermit 95 now lets you have a 132-column "logical" screen within an 80-column "physical" screen, and then gives you keyboard verbs (that can be assigned to any keys or key combinations) to scroll left and right, plus new indicators on the status line to let you know where you are, horizontally speaking. This is the ONLY way to have wide console screens without crashing the application or Windows 95 itself, and it should hold the fort until the GUI version arrives (still coming!). (REMEMBER -- there are no problems at all with 132-column-mode in Kermit 95 on Windows NT.) A form of "network editing" has been added, which lets you type a command to Kermit 95 or to the remote computer (the one you are talking to in your terminal screen) that automatically downloads a file to your PC, loads it into your preferred Windows editor, and then uploads it again automatically after you're finished editing it. We've also included a new XSEND program for Windows 95 and NT. When you run it in a particular directory, it builds a Kermit 95 script to send and replicate the entire directory tree of which the current directory is root, to another computer that has a Kermit server. The other computer can be UNIX, VMS, OS/2, DOS, or even another Windows 95 system. HOW TO GET IT The new release can be ordered in shrink-wrapped or bulk- or site-licensed form from Columbia University. All orders received starting today will be filled with version 1.1.9. (Yes, we said that about 1.1.8 on November 21, but because a the bugs listed above, that surfaced just after it was released, we continued to ship 1.1.7 until 1.1.9 could be completed.) Find Kermit 95 ordering information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Current registered users of Kermit 95 can download the 1.1.9 upgrade patch from our BBS or from our ftp site: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/ or on the Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html All the new features are documented in the updated UPDATES.DOC file that comes in the patch, and in the updated BUGS.DOC file. Incidentally, in case any of you missed the announcements, the host-side counterpart of Kermit 95 -- C-Kermit 6.0 for UNIX, VMS, AOS/VS, etc -- was released a couple weeks ago. Kermit 95 and C-Kermit 6.0 make a great team. Find out all about it at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 18 23:17:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA11650 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 23:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id XAA26102 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 23:17:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!hammer.msfc.nasa.gov!cyberspam!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,control From: news@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov Message-ID: Control: cancel <594bgu$j80@oolong.memphis.edu> Subject: cmsg cancel <594bgu$j80@oolong.memphis.edu> no reply ignore Reply-To: bitbucket@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: Semi-Automatic Chain Letter Remover Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:00:42 GMT Approved: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Canceled-By: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Cancel-Flags: a Sender: InfiNet@columbia.edu Lines: 8 Xref: news.columbia.edu control.cancel:946705 ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov. 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For example, see: http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/chainlet.htm From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 19 02:40:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA17862 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 02:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id CAA06318 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 02:40:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2nd edition _Using C Kermit_ Date: 16 Dec 1996 14:43:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-ID: <593n5r$ll5$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6297 In article , william p fulmor wrote: : Is it possible to pick up a copy of Using C Kermit in person at Columbia? : Please send order inquiries to kermit-orders@columbia.edu. I've forwarded yours, thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 19 07:05:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id HAA04822 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 07:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id HAA08605 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 07:05:14 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!uucp4.uu.net!world!news From: rwe Subject: Re: Uploading Microcom firmware into Deskporte modem? Sender: news@world.std.com (Mr Usenet Himself) Message-ID: <32B5C865.17A@world.std.com> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 22:08:37 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <58siro$skk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: world.std.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) Organization: It's A Great Day to be Alive! Lines: 38 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6298 Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > I would think it would be similar to transferring a file to a serial > port, like a serial printer or to an LPT printer port. > > There is a chapter in "Using C-Kermit" about it. If the modem doesn't > support Kermit, though, you might be better off trying another protocol; > some of them support XMODEM. But then you have the problem of finding a > version of XMODEM that lets you transfer files on an assigned serial device > rather than /dev/tty. > > - Frank Thank you for the input, but i did fail to mention a couple of steps in the process. For example, If I were to use something like ProCom or Crosstalk (under DOS or Windows), the process becomes: - Log onto the port. Issue RTS/CTS command to the modem. - Issue a special AT command (at^h) to the modem (at which point the modem 'waits' for the ascii file transfer to begin. Not ulike programming a EEROM. - "Select" or "Click" on FILE TRANSFER, ASCII Upload. At which point the protocol is strictly ascii transfer because it is reprogramming the eeram (nvram). In attempting to emulate this process using MS-Kermit V3.14, after setting up the mscustom.ini file, then issuing the CONNECT command, then AT^H (that special command) ... Or is TRANSMIT just available in C-Kermit? Hopefully, this will be clearer. I also did not locate this in MS-Kermit V3.00? by C. Gianone from Digital Press (ca. 1991) Thanks, Bob From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 19 10:37:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA08287 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 10:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id KAA18908 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 10:37:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading Microcom firmware into Deskporte modem? Date: 16 Dec 1996 20:58:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-ID: <594d5e$d0g$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <58siro$skk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <32B5C865.17A@world.std.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6299 In article <32B5C865.17A@world.std.com>, rwe wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > There is a chapter in "Using C-Kermit" about it. If the modem doesn't : > support Kermit, though, you might be better off trying another protocol; : > some of them support XMODEM. But then you have the problem of finding a : > version of XMODEM that lets you transfer files on an assigned serial device : > rather than /dev/tty. : : Thank you for the input, but i did fail to mention a couple of steps in : the process. For example, If I were to use something like ProCom or : Crosstalk (under DOS or Windows), the process becomes: : - Log onto the port. Issue RTS/CTS command to the modem. : - Issue a special AT command (at^h) to the modem (at which point the : modem 'waits' for the ascii file transfer to begin. Not ulike : programming a EEROM. : - "Select" or "Click" on FILE TRANSFER, ASCII Upload. : At which point the protocol is strictly ascii transfer because it is : reprogramming the eeram (nvram). : : In attempting to emulate this process using MS-Kermit V3.14, after : setting up the mscustom.ini file, then issuing the CONNECT command, then : AT^H (that special command) ... : : Or is TRANSMIT just available in C-Kermit? : It's in MS-DOS Kermit too. Did you try it? : Hopefully, this will be clearer. I also did not locate this in MS-Kermit : V3.00? by C. Gianone from Digital Press (ca. 1991) : It's the subject of Chapter 12. Just try it: 1. In CONNECT mode, type AT^H and then press the Enter key. 2. Escape back to the MS-DOS Kermit prompt with Alt-X. 3. Type "transmit xxx", where xxx is the filename. I'm not sure what you're supposed to do to indicate to the modem that the transfer is complete, but I assume you have directions for that. If the above works, you're done. If it doesn't, then read about the SET TRANSMIT command to customize how TRANSMIT works. If it still doesn't work, get back to us with specific symptoms, questions, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 19 11:21:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA15799 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 11:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id LAA20970 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 11:21:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 10 Date: 19 Dec 1996 16:20:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 98 Message-ID: <59bq1a$nq7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6300 MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 10 is now available for testing (there was no formal Beta 9). New features: . Add built-in Cyrillic support for the terminal emulator: SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET { CYRILLIC-ISO, KOI8, SHORT-KOI }, SET TERMINAL CODE-PAGE CP866. Previously this was done with command files (lots of SET TRANSLATE INPUT and SET KEY commands), but that did not work well with ISO 2022 character-set designation and invocation (G0, G1, G2, G3 switching, VT220 line-drawing characters, etc). . Modify commands ASSIGN, DEFINE, UNDEFINE, _ASSIGN, and _DEFINE for the syntax expressing array names. Each permits expressions and variables within the [index] field. Assign, define, and undefine do not permit substitution in the spelling of the array name of \&; _assign and _define do permit it. . Add keyword IF to the list for command CHECK. CHECK IF reports that extended IF statements are present. . Add UNDEFINE variable/macro to undefine an item. This is the same as the DEFINE command with no definition text. . Add XECHO string to display the string without the leading CR/LF. . Add variable \v(connection) which always returns string "local". . Add function \fbasename(filename) which returns the filename without its drive letter and path prefix. . Keyboard definitions to invoke named macros had used definitions of the form {\kmacro-name}. The surrounding curly braces are no longer required, but they may be used with older material. This also means the syntax for specifying keyboard "verbs" and macros is now the same. Corrections: . SET KEY \xxx {\Kmacroname} was broken in earlier betas. . DEC User Defined Keys returned illegally and crashed the program. . Correct a small bug with processing DEC Sixel graphics. . SET PRINTER to a file which could not be opened crashed the program. . LOCAL list of \% variables failed to skip items in the list which were not of the form \%. . Revise the TCP/IP protocol stack code to be less agressive in sending long groups of packets but more agressive in responding to network congestion. The result should be fast transfers with fewer packets lost from too many packets per second on the wire. . Add code to catch errors of delivering TCP/IP packets from the LAN adapter driver to Kermit. The error of interest is when a packet buffer is allocated from Kermit but the LAN driver fails to signal that the buffer has been filled with a new packet. Failures are visible when command SET TCP DEBUG ON is given, and they may be made invisible but recorded in the Transaction log if command LOG TRANSACTION filename is stated. . Included in the TCP debug information are arriving ARP broadcasts (good for testing if the LAN adapter is still receiving) and IP packet transit time details. For specialists, the timing details appear as lines like this example, where fields are: time=2093 rtt=1 avg=0 std_dev=1 s->rto=5 time since the TCP stack started, current IP packet round trip time (rtt), smoothed average rtt, standard deviation of the difference, and the round trip timeout, all in units of Bios clock ticks (18.2 of them per second). Message "Failed to put packet on wire" is written if the lan adapter is unable to perform a transmission requests; Kermit retries the attempt. . Add a test for Control-C or Control-BREAK being typed while waiting for a TCP byte stream to be delivered to the remote host. This is an attempt to break free of waiting while Kermit file transfer packets are held back because TCP is waiting for an ACK to previously sent material. Such waits can be several minutes in bad cases. This test is of limited usefulness. . Fill in a Reverse ARP request field which is normally empty and ignored but might be looked at anyway. . Fixed a problem which crashes the program when going between text and graphics screens when neither extended nor expanded memory is used to preserve the graphics screen. To get it: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file msk315.zip. ZIP file contains the executable, MSK315.EXE, and a brief description of the changes since version 3.14, MSK315.DOC. Report problems via email to kermit@columbia.edu. Thanks, as always, to Joe D. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 19 12:04:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA24847 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA23110 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:04:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.sgi.com!swrinde!news-relay.us.dell.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 11:01:23 -0600 From: rwe@world.std.com Subject: Re: Uploading Microcom firmware into Deskporte modem? Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: <851011760.25717@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Usenet Posting Service References: <58siro$skk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <32B5C865.17A@world.std.com> <594d5e$d0g$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 19 16:20:31 1996 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 199.172.62.5 (world-f.std.com) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (Win16; I) X-Authenticated-Sender: rwe@world.std.com Lines: 46 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6301 In article <594d5e$d0g$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > : Or is TRANSMIT just available in C-Kermit? > It's in MS-DOS Kermit too. Did you try it? > It's the subject of Chapter 12. > Just try it: > 1. In CONNECT mode, type AT^H and then press the Enter key. > > 2. Escape back to the MS-DOS Kermit prompt with Alt-X. > > 3. Type "transmit xxx", where xxx is the filename. > > I'm not sure what you're supposed to do to indicate to the modem that > the transfer is complete, but I assume you have directions for that. > > If the above works, you're done. If it doesn't, then read about the SET > TRANSMIT command to customize how TRANSMIT works. If it still doesn't work, > get back to us with specific symptoms, questions, etc. > > - Frank Thanks, Frank. I did try it. At first, I thought the SET PROMPT \0 (binary "0" prompt referred to the SENDING terminal host. For whatever reason, the eerom device doesn't issue back the character, and sitting there and issuing "carriage returns" (pressing enter key, etc.) just won't cut the mustard on this one (the file is 300K+ bytes arranged on 32 character lines). It appears if I can get around this requirement, then maybe it'll work as hoped. I'll be off this project for about three weeks, but will try again later. Again, Thanks for the information. On another tone. Kermit 95. Does it use the Windows 95 TAPI or the default COMM.DRV printer driver? Reason I ask is that the Deskporte FAST Modems (by Microcom) can use either ther serial comm port (com1: to com9:) or the LPTn: port using PPM.VXD or PPM.DRV for the old Windows 3.x 16 bit leagacy programs. PPM.DRV will ONLY work if COMM.DRV is the comm driver. (DOS Drivers won't work at all! in parallel mode). Thanks, Bob -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 19 12:26:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA28981 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA24196 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 12:26:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading Microcom firmware into Deskporte modem? Date: 19 Dec 1996 17:25:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-ID: <59btr7$rr2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <58siro$skk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <32B5C865.17A@world.std.com> <594d5e$d0g$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <851011760.25717@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6302 In article <851011760.25717@dejanews.com>, wrote: : In article <594d5e$d0g$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: : > : Or is TRANSMIT just available in C-Kermit? : > It's in MS-DOS Kermit too. Did you try it? : > It's the subject of Chapter 12. : > Just try it: : > 1. In CONNECT mode, type AT^H and then press the Enter key. : > 2. Escape back to the MS-DOS Kermit prompt with Alt-X. : > 3. Type "transmit xxx", where xxx is the filename. : > : > I'm not sure what you're supposed to do to indicate to the modem that : > the transfer is complete, but I assume you have directions for that. : > : > If the above works, you're done. If it doesn't, then read about the SET : > TRANSMIT command to customize how TRANSMIT works. If it still doesn't : > work, get back to us with specific symptoms, questions, etc. : : I did try it. At first, I thought the SET PROMPT \0 (binary "0" prompt : referred to the SENDING terminal host. : No, it just tells Kermit not to wait for any prompt (response, echo) at all after sending a line before it sends the next line. This is, of course, assuming that the file you are TRANSMIT'ing has lines at all. : For whatever reason, the eerom device : doesn't issue back the character, and sitting there and issuing : "carriage returns" (pressing enter key, etc.) just won't cut the mustard on : this one (the file is 300K+ bytes arranged on 32 character lines). : Normally the TRANSMIT command waits for a linefeed (ASCII 10) before sending the next line. If the EEROM (EEPROM?) echos something else, then specify that in your SET TRANSMIT PROMPT command. Hint: Use SET DEBUG SESSION to see invisible control characters. Maybe it uses Ctrl-Q or something. If it doesn't echo anything specific after receiving each line, then the only other choice is to SET TRANSMIT PROMPT \0 and hope for the best. That should make Kermit simply blast the entire file out the port. (The only difference between this and "copy /b filename com1" in DOS is that Kermit provides flow control -- in case the modem also knows how to do it.) By the way, you didn't say much about the format of the file. If it contains any 8-bit characters, be sure to "set terminal byte 8" and "set terminal character-set transparent". : On another tone. Kermit 95. Does it use the Windows 95 TAPI or the default : COMM.DRV printer driver? : Sorry, not yet. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 19 17:20:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA01971 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:20:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id RAA08450 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:20:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Compaq internal modem? Date: 19 Dec 1996 22:19:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 7 Message-ID: <59cf13$g9p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6303 We've been getting a lot of questions and problem reports recently regarding Compaq preinstalled internal modems. Would anybody be willing to send a manual or AT command summary? If so, please send me email. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 19 17:42:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA07230 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id RAA09526 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:42:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.pbi.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Transmission Blocked - K95 Date: 19 Dec 1996 22:31:14 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 15 Message-ID: <59cfni$ue@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: dold@rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6304 Occasionally, I see the message "TRANSMISSION BLOCKED" when using K95 over a serial connection at 28.8 Or at least on a 28.8 modem. I very rarely connect at 26400, usually at 24000, sometimes at 21600. Because of these connect rates, and the fact that I live about 12 miles from the C.O., I suspect that the message has something to do with modem retries. True? And what is it doing when it counts down? Sometimes, at the end of the countdown, I see queued characters go by, sometimes I get disconnected. I also see this message when I am using the Kermit-mouse to cut and paste some text, but I figured that was okay. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@nojunk.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 19 17:49:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA09161 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id RAA09793 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:49:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transmission Blocked - K95 Date: 19 Dec 1996 22:48:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <59cgok$ifs$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <59cfni$ue@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6305 In article <59cfni$ue@samba.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: : Occasionally, I see the message "TRANSMISSION BLOCKED" when using K95 over : a serial connection at 28.8 : Or at least on a 28.8 modem. I very rarely connect at 26400, usually at : 24000, sometimes at 21600. : Because of these connect rates, and the fact that I live about 12 miles : from the C.O., I suspect that the message has something to do with modem : retries. True? : It means you are using RTS/CTS flow control and the modem has turned off its CTS signal. So "transmission" is "blocked" :-) Why? Could be the modems are retraining, could be they are furiously retransmitting V.42 packets between each other, could be the remote modem is flow controlled by the remote DTE. : And what is it doing when it counts down? : It keeps checking to see whether the blocked condition persists for fifteen seconds. : Sometimes, at the end of the countdown, I see queued characters go by, : sometimes I get disconnected. : If the condition persists after 15 seconds, Kermit tries to transmit anyway. If you get disconnected, that's the modem's doing, not Kermit's. It probably gave up on the connection. : I also see this message when I am using the Kermit-mouse to cut and paste : some text, but I figured that was okay. : That means the modem is flow-controlling Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 19 18:47:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA20796 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 18:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id SAA12606 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 18:47:20 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!mindspring!uunet!in1.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!wpns From: wpns@world.std.com (William Smith) Subject: K95 1.1.8 buglets? Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Distribution: na Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 22:55:16 GMT Lines: 25 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6306 I just bought Kermit 1.1.7, upgraded it to 1.1.8 (and will be getting 1.1.9 RSN), are the following Kermit bugs or is Something Wierd (tm) with Win95? 1) Kermit can't seem to dial the modem at 0x03E8-0x03EF and IRQ5, (Basic configuration 5, use automatic), I get a "can't init modem" error. Turning carrier detect off, connecting, and using ATDT dialing works fine... 2) Printing doesn't work very well, I understand that the attribute character print thang is fixed in 1.1.9, does that also fix the inoperative form-feed? When I hit Alt-end I get a ~ back from the remote host... 3) Is there an easy way to install K95 to a directory tree longer than 8 characters? I'd like to put it into \util\comm\K95... Also, when's the 2.0 expected, with the real Win95 GUI? Thanks! Willie (ex-CPM80 8" Kermit distribution site!) -- Willie Smith wpns@world.std.com N1JBJ@amsat.org #define NII Information SuperCollider From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 19 19:21:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA26074 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 19:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id TAA14194 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 19:21:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 1.1.8 buglets? Date: 20 Dec 1996 00:20:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Distribution: na Message-ID: <59cm3p$nsv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6307 In article , William Smith wrote: : I just bought Kermit 1.1.7, upgraded it to 1.1.8 (and will be getting : 1.1.9 RSN), are the following Kermit bugs or is Something Wierd (tm) : with Win95? : : 1) Kermit can't seem to dial the modem at 0x03E8-0x03EF and IRQ5, : (Basic configuration 5, use automatic), I get a "can't init modem" : error. Turning carrier detect off, connecting, and using ATDT dialing : works fine... : What kind of modem is it, and what kind of modem does K95 think it is? "Can't init modem" means that Kermit issued a command to the modem and the modem either did not respond, or responded with an error indication. So this usually means a modem-type mismatch. : 2) Printing doesn't work very well, I understand that the attribute : character print thang is fixed in 1.1.9, does that also fix the : inoperative form-feed? When I hit Alt-end I get a ~ back from the : remote host... : Yes. : 3) Is there an easy way to install K95 to a directory tree longer than : 8 characters? I'd like to put it into \util\comm\K95... : No easy way, no. This and many many many other issues will be addressed in the GUI. : Also, when's the 2.0 expected, with the real Win95 GUI? : It's taking longer than expected. At least another 2 or 3 months. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 20 15:10:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA11578 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 1996 15:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA28975 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Dec 1996 15:10:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 1.1.9 Defect Date: 20 Dec 1996 20:09:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <59erqd$ioq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6308 Kermit 95 1.1.9, announced on December 18, turns out to have a defect affecting Windows 95 only (not Windows NT), resulting from our attempts to improve the way we work around the Windows 95 bug with "odd-sized" console windows. It happens when you try to set up a session with a "long" terminal screen (42/43 or 49/50 rows, rather than 24/25) and the TERMINAL VIDEO-CHANGE setting is DISABLED (the new default); the result is a terminal session whose lower portion is invisible. The workaround is to add: SET TERMINAL VIDEO-CHANGE ENABLED to your K95CUSTOM.INI file, or by restricting your sessions to 24x80 (or 25x80 when there is no status line). The problem is explained more fully in the short text file: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/newbugs.doc A small patch will issued shortly. My apologies for the inconvenience. Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 20 15:24:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA13703 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 1996 15:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA29639 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Dec 1996 15:23:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.pbi.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Back to the command prompt, often (K95) Date: 20 Dec 1996 19:53:08 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 12 Message-ID: <59eqr4$sp8@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: dold@nojunk.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6309 As I am typing along, in a vi session usually, connected via serial comm on a 28.8 modem, K95 1.1.8 occasionally (like just now, actually), drops back to the command screen, from the terminal screen. typing "c" returns me to the terminal screen. I don't recall this ever happenning with 1.1.7. It doesn't appear to be aassociated with any particular key. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@nojunk.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 20 15:33:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA17200 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 1996 15:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA00032 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Dec 1996 15:33:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Back to the command prompt, often (K95) Date: 20 Dec 1996 15:33:45 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <59et79$gp3@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <59eqr4$sp8@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6310 In article <59eqr4$sp8@samba.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: : As I am typing along, in a vi session usually, connected via serial comm on : a 28.8 modem, K95 1.1.8 occasionally (like just now, actually), drops back : to the command screen, from the terminal screen. : typing "c" returns me to the terminal screen. : I don't recall this ever happenning with 1.1.7. : It doesn't appear to be aassociated with any particular key. : Could it be that the modem's carrier signal is briefly flashing off and on? To test, tell K95 to "set carrier-watch off" and see if it still happens. If not, then you might want to adjust the carrier sensitivity settings in your modem. If it does still happen, then some other possibilities include: . You are doing this yourself inadvertantly by hitting a certain key or key combo or sequence -- Ctrl-]c, Alt-x, or anything else that has \Kexit assigned to it; . An extremely improbable escape sequence is being received (APC clear apc ST). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 21 12:30:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA10660 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 1996 12:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA16048 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 21 Dec 1996 12:30:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: lowgear@ix.netcom.com (Delta Charley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PPP/internet access using MS-DOS Kermit ? Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 17:28:04 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 24 Message-ID: <59h6m3$s58@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: orl-fl4-14.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Dec 21 9:27:31 AM PST 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6311 Hi all, I recently down loaded MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and I have been trying to figure out if it can be used to access my internet account using PPP. I have the manual "Using MS-DOS Kermit Sec. ED." but it does not go into this. I also have glanced through the readme files and one of them said something about support for Novell PPP driver and also Telebit PPP. Does anybody have any infomation on these drivers like: Are they availble for downloading? Are they suitable for my purpose? What I would like to be able to do is use Kermit and it's telnet command to dial into my ISP which uses PPP and then telnet into my Unix shell account. The small program byte size and minimal system requirements of Kermit appeal to me. I would love to be able to use it on some older PCs that choke on WinDoze. Thanks for any help, From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 21 16:28:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA08056 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 1996 16:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id QAA25132 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 21 Dec 1996 16:28:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!news.fsu.edu!ultranews.duc.auburn.edu!excalibur.flash.net!news9.agis.net!agis!newspeer1.agis.net!agis!news1.exit109.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!aanews.merit.net!news.cic.net!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: manaster@umich.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Question Date: Sun, 08 Dec 1996 20:28:25 -0500 Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 3 Message-ID: <32AB6B39.2CF5@umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm114-20.dialip.mich.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6312 I dont ordinary use kermit but need to remember how to upload a file in C-Kermit 5a (188) 23 on an old Atari. Could someone help me out real quick From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 21 23:29:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA26414 for ; Sat, 21 Dec 1996 23:29:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id XAA14889 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 21 Dec 1996 23:29:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!cs.utk.edu!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!news.he.net!news.enteract.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit protocol library Date: 11 Dec 1996 18:10:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <58mte4$9r5$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32AEFAA0.6AE7@infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6313 In article <32AEFAA0.6AE7@infi.net>, wrote: : It seems this question has been asked recently, but I would also like to : know if there exists a set of source code (or function libraries) in C : that would allow me to send and receive files using the Kermit protocol : within my windows application. : Sorry, no, we do not furnish such a library. We recommend that those who wish to embed communications functions -- connection establishment, logging in and other dialogs, file management, data transfer -- do so by invoking an existing Kermit program -- MS-DOS Kermit for DOS or Windows 3.x, Kermit 95 for Windows 95 or NT, C-Kermit for UNIX or VMS, etc -- from within their application by a combination of command-line arguments and command files (Kermit script programs). The situation might change in the future, but for now that is the answer. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 22 03:07:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id DAA02889 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 1996 03:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id DAA24345 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 22 Dec 1996 03:07:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!strath-cs!judge.ulst.ac.uk!keele!daresbury!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!surfnet.nl!swidir.switch.ch!serra.unipi.it!mikasa.iol.it!news From: "otaku" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for MS-DOS Kermit Script Samples Date: 12 Dec 1996 19:46:15 GMT Organization: Italia Online Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bbe83f$c97089c0$0100007f@localhost> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.20.26.84 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6314 Does anybody know where I can find script samples for MS-DOS kermit 3.14. The book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" is not easy to find in Italy. Thanks and cheers. Luca Mazzocchi Via Marconi, 15 Cinisello Balsamo 20092 Milano Italia From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 22 03:36:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id DAA07834 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 1996 03:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id DAA25545 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 22 Dec 1996 03:36:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!cs.utk.edu!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infi.net!usenet From: lkelly@infi.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit protocol library Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 10:17:04 -0800 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 9 Message-ID: <32AEFAA0.6AE7@infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pa3dsp18.richmond.infi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6315 It seems this question has been asked recently, but I would also like to know if there exists a set of source code (or function libraries) in C that would allow me to send and receive files using the Kermit protocol within my windows application. If somebody could send me any suggestions, I would appreciate it. Lane Kelly lkelly@infi.net From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 22 04:06:04 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id EAA11042 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 1996 04:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id EAA27412 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 22 Dec 1996 04:06:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!strath-cs!judge.ulst.ac.uk!keele!daresbury!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!panix!news.panix.com!usenet From: Kurt Rosenhagen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: dialing macro for dialback modem Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:58:13 -0500 Organization: Extratek Inc. Lines: 63 Message-ID: <32AD8895.41C67EA6@panix.com> References: <32A88B82.41C67EA6@panix.com> <58heqt$kcd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <32AC968D.41C67EA6@panix.com> <58i5kp$2em$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kjr.dialup.access.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6316 I'm running C-Kermit 5A(190). I'll try 6.0. Thanks for the help. Kurt Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <32AC968D.41C67EA6@panix.com>, > Kurt Rosenhagen wrote: > : Frank da Cruz wrote: > : > In article <32A88B82.41C67EA6@panix.com>, > : > Kurt Rosenhagen wrote: > : > : Ive modified an existing macro for dialing in to a dialback modem. When > : > : the dialback occurs, an "INPUT" command is executed, and the message > : > : "Cant condition line for input" appears five times (there are siz input > : > : commands after dialback). The message "Connecting to cua0" etc apperas, > : > : script file is finished as kermit now expects input from keyboaard. > : > : > : > So this means you are probably using C-Kermit? Which version? > : > On which platform? > : > > : > Anyway, the trick of handling dialback situations is that you > : > have to hang up the modem after making the call, so it can call > : > you back. If you don't hang it up, it will just get a busy > : > signal. > : > : Sorry, I should have been more complete. I'm running C-Kermit ... > : > What version of C-Kermit? > > : ... on a Sparc > : 10/50 under SunOS 4.1.3. While the dialback is not getting a busy > : signal, I think the problem is similiar; the answering modem isn't > : answering until the "INPUT" command times out. I've currently got it > : kind of working by doing one macro for dialout, then "HANGUP", then > : another macro for dialback answer (which can't be executed until the > : modems have finished negotiating). Can this somehow be automated into > : one macro? > : > I'm sure it can be, but I don't have access to your setup to try it. > I think the problem you had before was that C-Kermit was holding on to > its end of the original phone call. The service on the other end hung > up, but C-Kermit was still trying to use it (e.g. by issuing INPUT > commands). But since the other end had hung up, there was no more carrier > and so the device driver was returning errors when you gave the INPUT, > OUTPUT, or similar commands, and in any case the modem was not conditioned > to answer the call-back. > > I'd suggest you install C-Kermit 6.0 on your Sun and then have your script > use the new ANSWER command. So in outline, it would look like this: > > dial xxxxxxx > if fail ... > (put input/output dialog here) > hangup > answer xxx ; xxx = number of seconds to wait for call > if fail ... > > At this point, you should have a usable connection. For info about > C-Kermit 6.0, see: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html > > - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 22 09:10:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA27460 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 1996 09:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id JAA00417 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 22 Dec 1996 09:10:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!dancer.ca.sandia.gov!cronkite.nersc.gov!qiclab.scn.rain.com!news.nwrain.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!165.254.2.52!news.new-york.net!news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Procomm Win95 and a PDP8 Kermit Date: 10 Dec 1996 15:34:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <58jvu1$58r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <32AD501C.41C67EA6@escmail.orl.mmc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6317 In article <32AD501C.41C67EA6@escmail.orl.mmc.com>, Jack Cooper wrote: : I have purchased a copy of Procomm Plus for Windows 95 to communicate : through a RS-232 serial port (COM2) on a 486 PC running Windows 95. The : PC communicates to a DEC PDP8 microcomputer with a serial card. The : file transfer protocol is Kermit. I can send files successfully from : the DEC PDP8 to the PC but I cannot send files from the PC to the PDP8. : The error message that is printed at the bottom of the screen on Procomm : is "Packet Type Unknown". : Probably Procomm Kermit is sending a packet type that it did not negotiate successfully with PDP-8 Kermit. Procomm is not noted for the correctness or configurability of its Kermit implementation. : Please note again, the DOS version of Procomm Plus 1.1B works fine in : both directions, the new Windows 95 32 bit version only receives the : files successfully from the PDP8. The Windows 95 version is not able to : transfer to the PDP8 with the above settings. : So they changed something. : Quarterdeck (Procomm) is useless as far as technical support. Their : phone lines are always busy and their FAX # for tech support has been : disconnected. There is not even an email for tech support on their web : site. : We don't support Procomm -- they have your money, they should give you the support you paid for; we have our own products, which we do support. The Kermit software for Windows 95 is Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Every feature of its file-transfer protocol execuction is configurable, and it has all sorts of debugging and troubleshooting features built in, so I would be very surprised if we could not get to work with PDP-8 Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 22 11:51:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA16341 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 1996 11:51:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id LAA08277 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 22 Dec 1996 11:51:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PPP/internet access using MS-DOS Kermit ? Message-ID: <1996Dec22.093047.90882@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Dec 96 09:30:47 MDT References: <59h6m3$s58@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6318 In article <59h6m3$s58@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>, lowgear@ix.netcom.com (Delta Charley) writes: > Hi all, I recently down loaded MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and I have been > trying to figure out if it can be used to access my internet account > using PPP. > > I have the manual "Using MS-DOS Kermit Sec. ED." but it does not go > into this. Correct. Times change quickly. > I also have glanced through the readme files and one of them said > something about support for Novell PPP driver and also Telebit PPP. > > Does anybody have any infomation on these drivers like: > Are they availble for downloading? Are they suitable for my purpose? Novell's PPP module is SLIP_PPP, see ftp.novell.com or official mirror sites. Telebit's PPP driver is sold by Telebit. You can also look at MERIT's PPP driver, free, in the Cyrnwr Packet Driver archives (watsun.cc.columbia.edu/ftp.columbia.edu, or netlab1.usu.edu/netlab2.usu.edu, and many other sites). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 22 14:19:02 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA02253 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 1996 14:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id OAA15224 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 22 Dec 1996 14:18:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!news.mid.net!news.sdsmt.edu!news.wildstar.net!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.net.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 10 Date: 21 Dec 1996 14:59:42 +1030 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 17 Message-ID: <59fp3m$p3h@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <59bq1a$nq7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6319 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 10 is now available for testing (there was no : formal Beta 9). New features: [edit] : Report problems via email to kermit@columbia.edu. It doesn't reboot my machine on receipt of a screen clearing code! (-: Thanks again!! -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 25 21:54:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA18445 for ; Wed, 25 Dec 1996 21:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id VAA02357 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Dec 1996 21:54:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!strat.enernet.com!cuugnet!news From: oszarazi@cuug.ab.ca (???) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: USR Sporster &D setting Date: 25 Dec 1996 19:51:59 -0700 Organization: Calgary Unix Lusers' Group Lines: 226 Sender: oszarazi@hp.cuug.ab.ca Message-ID: <4q7ohfim300.fsf@hp.cuug.ab.ca> References: <01bbea55$00a42de0$2e0532cc@foobar.air.on.ca> <59h5hd$1bnu$1@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hp.cuug.ab.ca In-reply-to: dhaire@gate.net's message of 21 Dec 1996 17:07:57 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:167697 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6320 doug haire writes: > ??? (oszarazi@cuug.ab.ca) wrote: > : > : Sorry to follow up my own post to this newsgroup, but I didn't think > : I explained myself clearly (tagging onto a thread the way I am) ... > > This explains it much better, though, so I am glad you did it. Not for nothing did I do it! : : - --------<<>>--------- : : This is known as "half duplex" when you should be in "full duplex". : According to what you have done, however, I see no indication that the : modem went into half duplex mode on its own. And, even without you doing : anything... Ahh, "half duplex". I just don't understand why the modem goes "half duplex" on me, on its very own ... without me even doing anything. (What's even stranger is how I found that the modem also "fixes" itself, too!! More on that later ...) : : Any help for this modem newbie is appreciated. : Perhaps you are looking at the horse when it : is the driver who is at fault? By that I mean, what is the default setting : in your term program? Make sure *it* is set to Full Duplex. It may be that : all you are doing is correcting your own term programs's setting and not : your modem's default. I sort of checked this out ... the horse and the driver ... but couldn't find any setting for "Duplex" in my communications program's menu. (MacKermit 0-991(190) Pre-ALPHA). Although I personally doubt that engineers at Columbia would be at fault on this, everything is well worth checking out. : Do a capture after you do the ATS13=16 and check the Fx in the template. : If it is set to F0, then that is why you are in half duplex. Now, how : setting S13=16 changes you from the default F1 which goes with the &F1 : setting, I don't understand. OK. Here's what I tried to do. I didn't fiddle with my term programs settings. I don't really understand what they all do, in truth. In my Terminal window of Kermit, I entered AT&F1 to load the read-only factory configuration for hardware flow control, then ATS13=16 so that the Sportster auto-dials, and wrote that to NVRAM 0 template by entering AT&W0. Which is all fine ... I then captured my settings using ATI4, as shown below. - --------<<>>--------- at&F1 OK atS13=16 OK at&w0 OK atI4 USRobotics Sportster 14400 Fax Settings... B0 E1 F1 M1 Q0 V1 X4 Y0 BAUD=19200 PARITY=N WORDLEN=8 DIAL=HUNT ON HOOK &A3 &B1 &C1 &D2 &G0 &H1 &I0 &K1 &M4 &N0 &P0 &R2 &S0 &T5 &Y1 S00=000 S01=000 S02=043 S03=013 S04=010 S05=008 S06=002 S07=060 S08=002 S09=006 S10=014 S11=070 S12=050 S13=016 S15=000 S16=000 S18=000 S19=000 S21=010 S22=017 S23=019 S25=005 S27=000 S28=008 S29=020 S36=014 S38=000 LAST DIALED #: T7770144 OK - --------<<>>--------- Then I manually dialed the stored telephone number ... and connected with no trouble (showing that Kermit's settings are right with the modem's. (This makes sense, since all I've done is use factory default settings with one bit of an S-register flagged, so that I can utilize the modem's "Auto Dial" feature.) - --------<<>>--------- atds0 Dialing...T7770144 CONNECT 14400/ARQ/V32/LAPM/V42BIS Welcome to CUUG's Resource Centre. Login Access is Restricted To Members Only. You are connected to a Livingston PortMaster. Choose cuug486, dec, hp, ibm, or sun for host. pm login: oszarazi Password: Host: hp - --------<<>>--------- Then I turned the power off on the modem, and powered back up ... and got the "duplex" problem when I tried to log in. I dropped to command mode and checked my settings using ATI4 ... which showed no apparent trouble. - --------<<>>--------- Dialing...T7770144 CONNECT 14400/ARQ/V32/LAPM/V42BIS Welcome to CUUG's Resource Centre. Login Access is Restricted To Members Only. You are connected to a Livingston PortMaster. Choose cuug486, dec, hp, ibm, or sun for host. pm login: oosszzaarraazzii Password: +++ OK ATI4 USRobotics Sportster 14400 Fax Settings... B0 E1 F1 M1 Q0 V1 X4 Y0 BAUD=19200 PARITY=N WORDLEN=8 DIAL=HUNT ON HOOK &A3 &B1 &C1 &D2 &G0 &H1 &I0 &K1 &M4 &N0 &P0 &R2 &S0 &T5 &Y1 S00=000 S01=000 S02=043 S03=013 S04=010 S05=008 S06=002 S07=060 S08=002 S09=006 S10=014 S11=070 S12=050 S13=016 S15=000 S16=000 S18=000 S19=000 S21=010 S22=017 S23=019 S25=005 S27=000 S28=008 S29=020 S36=014 S38=000 LAST DIALED #: T7770144 OK - --------<<>>--------- Stranger still ... when I returned online ... the problem had FIXED ITSELF. Simply by entering ATO0, everything was "OK" again. With this turn of events, I tried a simple experiment, I let my modem auto dial by powering down, and then powering up ... dropped down to command mode and returned online... - --------<<>>--------- Dialing...T7770144 CONNECT 14400/ARQ/V32/LAPM/V42BIS Welcome to CUUG's Resource Centre. Login Access is Restricted To Members Only. You are connected to a Livingston PortMaster. Choose cuug486, dec, hp, ibm, or sun for host. pm login: oosszzaarraazzii Password: +++ OK ATO0 CONNECT 14400/ARQ/V32/LAPM/V42BIS Invalid Login pm login: oszarazi Password: - --------<<>>--------- None of this makes any sense to me at all!! I can't understand how a modem that is simply dialing a number stored in NVRAM at "power on" doesn't behave as is expected when that same number is dialed manually (ATDSn). And I don't think my Term program is at fault here ... the settings and internals of MacKermit don't change when I power a modem up or down, although I suppose that the Kermit'ites are much better qualified to comment on that than I. Does anyone know whether the Sportster 14.4 firmware does something strange when it does its own routines? I'm absolutely stumped, here. Oh yeah ... my ATI7 reads ... - --------<<>>--------- Configuration Profile... Product type US/Canada External Options V32 Fax Options Class 1 Clock Freq 24.0Mhz Eprom 128k Ram 32k EPROM date 5/18/95 DSP date 5/18/95 EPROM rev 1.5 DSP rev 1.5 - --------<<>>--------- Can any others reproduce this?? Thanks again to everyone for their help. I've cross-posted this to comp.protocols.kermit.misc (for the Kermit'ites benefit.) Istvan. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 26 09:15:00 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA01275 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 09:14:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id JAA22901 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 09:14:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!ellis From: ellis@gmi.edu (R. Stewart Ellis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: zmodem transfer using c-kermit Date: 26 Dec 1996 14:14:02 GMT Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI Lines: 27 Message-ID: <59u17a$el0@news.eecs.umich.edu> References: <57nt11$mb8@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nova.gmi.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6321 david@djwhome.demon.co.uk (David Woolley) writes: >In article <57nt11$mb8@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, >Jae H Shin wrote: >> >>[/usr/users/jshin/temp] C-Kermit>rec >>/dev/tty: No such device or address >You are using a version of rzsz which is not licensed for such use. >Either license something like Omen's Professional YAMM, or use the >pre 1988 version of Z-modem (or the recent Gnu bug fix of it). Could you give a more complete reference for the "recent Gnu bug fix"? I have the older sources, but they do not run very well on Solaris 2.x SPARC. I have been using ancient SunOS 4.1.x binaries. >-- >David Woolley, London, England david@djwhome.demon.co.uk >(Sending any email to this site constitutes a licence to copy it to any >company which might reasonably be assumed to have transported it or >might reasonably be assumed to service any addresses quoted in it. 15Sep1996) -- R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)810-762-9765 ___________________ Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt.Inst. () / _____ ______ Flint, MI 48504 Free speech and free software! /\ / / / / / / Web admin: http://www.gmi.edu/ ellis@gmi.edu /________/ / / / / From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 26 15:13:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA29871 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 15:13:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA10473 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 15:13:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!arclight.uoregon.edu!pith.uoregon.edu!news.texoma.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!206.72.128.98!news.icix.net!news.gate.net!navajo.gate.net!not-for-mail From: dhaire@gate.net (doug haire) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: USR Sporster &D setting Followup-To: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 26 Dec 1996 19:58:10 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 258 Message-ID: <59ulci$13pk$1@news.gate.net> References: <01bbea55$00a42de0$2e0532cc@foobar.air.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: clnt3.gate.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:167750 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6322 ??? (oszarazi@cuug.ab.ca) wrote: : doug haire writes: : : This is known as "half duplex" when you should be in "full duplex". : : According to what you have done, however, I see no indication that the : : modem went into half duplex mode on its own. And, even without you doing : : anything... : : Ahh, "half duplex". I just don't understand why the modem goes "half : duplex" on me, on its very own ... without me even doing anything. It puzzles me also... since the default is always F1 meaning full duplex. In half duplex, the modem echoes back the character sent. In full duplex, the far end is expected to echo it back. When the modem is in half duplex mode and connected to a full duplex host, you get things like this... hheelllloo When the modem is in full duplex mode and connected to a host in half duplex mode then no characters appear on the screen. : (What's even stranger is how I found that the modem also "fixes" : itself, too!! More on that later ...) I am doubly puzzled by this but in your expanded post, you showed that you *did* correct a setting by sending "ATF1" as opposed to "AT&F1". Since the F1 sets the full duplex mode, I thought that is what was correcting it. You posted a screen capture that showed this... - --------<<>>--------- ATF1 OK atO0 CONNECT 14400/ARQ/V32/LAPM/V42BIS Invalid Login pm login: oszarazi - --------<<>>--------- As you can see, the command you sent was ATF1 and that sets full duplex. Check your manual. There is another clue later in this post... : : Perhaps you are looking at the horse when it : : is the driver who is at fault? By that I mean, what is the default setting : : in your term program? Make sure *it* is set to Full Duplex. It may be that : : all you are doing is correcting your own term programs's setting and not : : your modem's default. : : I sort of checked this out ... the horse and the driver ... but : couldn't find any setting for "Duplex" in my communications program's : menu. (MacKermit 0-991(190) Pre-ALPHA). Although I personally doubt : that engineers at Columbia would be at fault on this, everything is : well worth checking out. Try looking for "Echo On" and "Echo Off" then. I have never come across a terminal program that did not have the ability to choose between these settings. Check the documentation for the program. I am unfamiliar with Macs and Kermit (being a DOS person and a Unix user, I prefer zmodem where available and VT-10x emulations). : : Do a capture after you do the ATS13=16 and check the Fx in the template. : : If it is set to F0, then that is why you are in half duplex. Now, how : : setting S13=16 changes you from the default F1 which goes with the &F1 : : setting, I don't understand. : : OK. Here's what I tried to do. I didn't fiddle with my term programs : settings. I don't really understand what they all do, in truth. : : In my Terminal window of Kermit, I entered AT&F1 to load the read-only : factory configuration for hardware flow control, then ATS13=16 so that : the Sportster auto-dials, and wrote that to NVRAM 0 template by : entering AT&W0. : : Which is all fine ... I then captured my settings using ATI4, as shown : below. : : - --------<<>>--------- : at&F1 : OK : atS13=16 : OK : at&w0 : OK : atI4 : USRobotics Sportster 14400 Fax Settings... : : B0 E1 F1 M1 Q0 V1 X4 Y0 : BAUD=19200 PARITY=N WORDLEN=8 : DIAL=HUNT ON HOOK : : &A3 &B1 &C1 &D2 &G0 &H1 &I0 &K1 : &M4 &N0 &P0 &R2 &S0 &T5 &Y1 : : S00=000 S01=000 S02=043 S03=013 S04=010 S05=008 S06=002 : S07=060 S08=002 S09=006 S10=014 S11=070 S12=050 S13=016 : S15=000 S16=000 S18=000 S19=000 S21=010 S22=017 S23=019 : S25=005 S27=000 S28=008 S29=020 S36=014 S38=000 : : LAST DIALED #: T7770144 : : OK : - --------<<>>--------- : : Then I manually dialed the stored telephone number ... and connected : with no trouble (showing that Kermit's settings are right with the : modem's. : : (This makes sense, since all I've done is use factory default settings : with one bit of an S-register flagged, so that I can utilize the : modem's "Auto Dial" feature.) And the only thing you have not done is power down the modem which turns off the MR on your modem and tells your terminal program that no modem is attached. When you cycle the power back on, the terminal program is supposed to react to that. I would say that the modem's power up defaults are different from the desired defaults and that switch 10 was set to On (this may be different in the Sportster, check the manual for Power On and ATZ reset defaults) but I could not find where F0 was the default in any profile. : - --------<<>>--------- : atds0 : Dialing...T7770144 : : CONNECT 14400/ARQ/V32/LAPM/V42BIS : Welcome to CUUG's Resource Centre. : Login Access is Restricted To Members Only. : : You are connected to a Livingston PortMaster. : : Choose cuug486, dec, hp, ibm, or sun for host. : : : pm login: oszarazi : Password: : Host: hp : - --------<<>>--------- As we see, it works perfectly. : Then I turned the power off on the modem, and powered back up ... and : got the "duplex" problem when I tried to log in. I dropped to command : mode and checked my settings using ATI4 ... which showed no apparent : trouble. : : - --------<<>>--------- : : Dialing...T7770144 : : CONNECT 14400/ARQ/V32/LAPM/V42BIS : Welcome to CUUG's Resource Centre. : Login Access is Restricted To Members Only. : : You are connected to a Livingston PortMaster. : : Choose cuug486, dec, hp, ibm, or sun for host. : : : pm login: oosszzaarraazzii : Password: +++ : OK : ATI4 : USRobotics Sportster 14400 Fax Settings... : : B0 E1 F1 M1 Q0 V1 X4 Y0 ^^ This is the one I wanted to see and it appears to be set fine. : S00=000 S01=000 S02=043 S03=013 S04=010 S05=008 S06=002 : S07=060 S08=002 S09=006 S10=014 S11=070 S12=050 S13=016 : S15=000 S16=000 S18=000 S19=000 S21=010 S22=017 S23=019 : S25=005 S27=000 S28=008 S29=020 S36=014 S38=000 I cannot check these S-regs because my Courier is different on some of them... but everything looks fine to me otherwise. : LAST DIALED #: T7770144 : : OK : - --------<<>>--------- : : Stranger still ... when I returned online ... the problem had FIXED : ITSELF. Simply by entering ATO0, everything was "OK" again. This makes me suspect somthing is happening at the distant end for some reason but I cannot imagine what. : With this turn of events, I tried a simple experiment, I let my modem : auto dial by powering down, and then powering up ... dropped down to : command mode and returned online... : : - --------<<>>--------- : : Dialing...T7770144 : : CONNECT 14400/ARQ/V32/LAPM/V42BIS : Welcome to CUUG's Resource Centre. : Login Access is Restricted To Members Only. : : You are connected to a Livingston PortMaster. : : Choose cuug486, dec, hp, ibm, or sun for host. : : : pm login: oosszzaarraazzii : Password: +++ : OK : ATO0 : CONNECT 14400/ARQ/V32/LAPM/V42BIS : : Invalid Login : pm login: oszarazi : Password: : - --------<<>>--------- : : None of this makes any sense to me at all!! It's beginning to befuddle me also. : I can't understand how a modem that is simply dialing a number stored : in NVRAM at "power on" doesn't behave as is expected when that same : number is dialed manually (ATDSn). There should be no difference between your pwoer up defaults and your configuration as set by you. In other words, there is no difference between you issuing the command and the modem issuing it to itself on power up. : And I don't think my Term program is at fault here ... the settings : and internals of MacKermit don't change when I power a modem up or : down, although I suppose that the Kermit'ites are much better : qualified to comment on that than I. Look for some indication on the menu bars, if there are any. Note them when you start up the term program. If you are simply doing this from the blank terminal screen (manually entering the dialing command) rather than selecting the number from a dialing directory then you are absolutely correct that it isn't a default setting in your term program. : Does anyone know whether the Sportster 14.4 firmware does something : strange when it does its own routines? I'm absolutely stumped, here. It shouldn't. I have never used the dialout at power on option before but I will try it. It isn't a 14400 Sportster, though, so I suspect it won't mean much. : I've cross-posted this to comp.protocols.kermit.misc (for the : Kermit'ites benefit.) That might be helpful but I think a comparison with someone else's like modem would be better. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 26 20:15:18 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA20504 for ; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 20:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id UAA24967 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 20:15:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!noc.van.hookup.net!not-for-mail From: "db" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.smb,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.time. Subject: Make Money Now!!! Date: 27 Dec 1996 01:14:36 GMT Organization: Entertainment Satellite Lines: 344 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <01bbf393$a8f39b60$1662aecc@danielbpgr.auracom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.174.98.22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BBF350.9AD05B60" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6323 comp.protocols.misc:6229 comp.protocols.nfs:16452 comp.protocols.pcnet:308 comp.protocols.ppp:18414 comp.protocols.smb:10513 comp.protocols.snmp:7359 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:47224 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains:14775 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:42091 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BBF350.9AD05B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well. Let's get started. A little while back, I was browsing through these newsgroups, just like you are now, and came acress an article similar to this that said you could make thousands of dollars in weeks, with only an initial investment of $5! So, I thought, "Yeah, right, must be a scam", but I was curious, like most of us, so I kept reading. Anyway, it said that you send $1 to each of the 5 names and addresses stated in the article. You then place your own name and address in the article at the bottom of the list at #5, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups (there are thousands). No catch, that was it! So after thinking it over, talking to a few people first, I figured what have I got to lose except for 5 stamps and $5, right? This is from someone who has tryed it and it worked like a charm. I started getting money in the mail! I was shocked! I still figured it would end soon, and didn't give it another thought. But then the money kept comin IN. tripling in size and multiplying by 10 - 20 times the amount that I got the first week! In my first week I made about 15 to 35 dollars. But by the end of the second week, I had made a total of over $1,150!!! In he third week, I had over $15,000 dollars, and it's still growing! This is my fourth week and I've made about $39,000 TOTAL, and believe it or not the money is still coming in.... Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, WHY it works....also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so you get the information from it, and begin making money. The process if very simple, and it consists of 3 easy steps: STEP 1: Get 5 sepearte pieces of paper and write the following on each sheet of paper... "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST. And include your name and mailing address." Get five $1 bills, and place ONE inside each piece of paper that you have just written on, and fold each piece of paper so the bill will not be seen in the envelope (otherwise, nosey people who like to steal envelopes with money in it will get yours). Put one paper inside the envelope and seal it. Do the same for all 5. You should now have 5 envelopes sealed, EACH having a piece of paper AND the $1 bill inside. NOTE: Make sure those words that were stated above are written on each piece of paper. What you are doing is creating a service by this. This is PERFECTLY LEGAL. Now, mail the 5 envelopes with the paper and $1 in each to the following 5 addresses: 1. Bryan 1350 Greens Pkwy #911 Houston, TX 77067 2. Mark Jr. 30 McMellon Rd. Iola, TX 77861 3. Greg 2913 Richland Ave. Louisville, KY 40220 4. Vincent Leopold III Lei 16 2650 EDEGEM BELGIUM 5. Bastin General Delivery Prince George, BC V2L 4R8 Canada STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other 4 names up (5 becoming 4, 4 becomin 3, etc.) and put YOUR NAME as number 5 on the list. You can slightly alter this article if you need to, editing what you need to edit. STEP 3: Post your amended article (with your name at #5) to at least 200 news groups (there are around 18,000 of them!). All you need is say at least 200. Using I.E. EXPLORER, Holding down the left mouse button, highlight this article. Then press the "CTRL" key and the "C" key at the same time, to copy this article. Then print this article for your records to have the names of those you will be sending $1 bills to. Next, go to the news groups and press "POST AN ARTICLE". A window will open. Type in your headline in the subject area and then click in the large window below. If you want to edit the article, do so and then highlight and copy it again. Now everytime you post the article in a new newgroup all you have to repeat is "CTRL and "V" and press POST. That's it! Each time you do this, all you have to do is type in a different newsgroup, so that way, it posts to 200 DIFFERENT newsgroups. You see? Now you just have 199 to go! (Don't worry, each one takes about 30 seconds, once you get used to it). REMEMBER, 200 IS THE MINIMUM. The more your post, the more money you will make. AND THAT'S IT!!! You are now in the mail-order business and will start receiving your $1 envelopes from various people all over the world, within days! HINT: THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST TO, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL MAKE. You may want to rent a PO Box eventually, because of all the mail. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can come up with a name, such as "manager" or "investor". Just make sure all the addresses that you have typed in for the 4 people plus yourself are correct, please. LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM WORKS! Out of every 200 postings, let's say I ONLY recieve 5 replies, which is actually VERY LOW. So I made $5 dollars with my name at #5. Now, each person who just sent me $1 dollar makes, say 200 postings, now with name at number 4, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 1000 POSTINGS, not including yours too. 50 people send you $1 dollar now - that's $50 dollars you have made! Next, your new 50 agents each post 200 newsgroups with your name at number 3, or 10,000 POSTINGS (50 X 200 = 10,000). The average returns at $1 dollar each, or $500 dollars. They in turn make 200 postings, which is 5,000 returns at $1 dollar each, which is $5,000 dollars! And finally, 5,000 people make 200 postings with YOUR NAME AT NUMBER 1. YOU NOW GET A RETURN OF $50,000 DOLLARS BEFORE YOUR NAME DROPS OFF THE LIST. AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE ONLY MAKES 200 POSTINGS, AND IF ONLY 5 PEOPLE RESPOND!!! When your name is no longer on the list, you simply take the latest posting that is appearing in the newsgroups, and SEND OUT ANOTHER $5 DOLLARS TO THE NAMES ON THE LIST, PUTTING YOUR NAME AT #5 AGAIN. And start posting again. The thing to remember is, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE JOINING THE INTERNET AND READING THESE ARTICLES EVERY DAY - just like you are now!!! So can you afford $5 dollars to see if it really works? I think so.. People have said, "What if the plan is played out and no one sends you the money?" So what! What are the chances of that happening when there are TONS OF NEW HONEST USERS AND NEW HONEST PEOPLE whos are joining the internet and newsgroups every day and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users every day, with THOUSANDS of those actually joining the internet. Remember, PLAY FAIRLY, AND HONESTLY, and this WILL WORK. I promise you!! You just have to be honest. Make sure you print this article out RIGHT NOW. Also, try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep an eye on the newsgroups to make sure everyone is playing fairly. REMEMBER: HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY! you don't need to cheat the idea to make money. GOOD LUCK TO ALL, PLEASE PLAY FAIRLY, AND YOU WILL REAP THE HUGE REWARDS FROM THIS - TONS OF EXTRA CASH!!! One last note: if you try to decieve people by posting the messages with your name on the list and not sending the money to the people already on the list, you will not get much in return. Someone I talked to knew someone who did that and she only made $150 dollars, and that's after eight weeks! Then she sent the 5 $1 dollar bills, people added her to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks she had over $10,000 dollars!!! THIS IS THE FAIREST AND MOST HONEST WAY I HAVE EVER SEEN TO SHARE THE WEALTH OF THE WORLD WITHOUT COSTING US ANYTHING BUT OUR TIME, $5 DOLLARS AND FIVE POSTAGE STAMPS! ------=_NextPart_000_01BBF350.9AD05B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

=       Well. Let's get started.  A = little while back, I was browsing through
these newsgroups, just = like you are now, and came acress an article similar
to this that = said you could make thousands of dollars in weeks, with only
an = initial investment of $5!  So, I thought, "Yeah, right, must = be a scam",
but I was curious, like most of us, so I kept = reading.

       Anyway, it = said that you send $1 to each of the 5 names and addresses
stated in = the article.  You then place your own name and address in the
= article at the bottom of the list at #5, and post the article in at = least
200 newsgroups (there are thousands).  No catch, that was = it! So after
thinking it over, talking to a few people first, I = figured  what have I got
to lose except for 5 stamps and $5, = right?  This is from someone who has
tryed it and it worked = like a charm.  I started getting money in the mail!
=   I was shocked!  I still figured it would end soon, and = didn't give it
another thought.  But then the money kept comin = IN. tripling in size and
multiplying by 10 - 20 times the amount = that I got the first week!  In my
first week I made about 15 to = 35 dollars.

But by the end of the second week, I had made a = total of over $1,150!!!  In
he third week, I had over $15,000 = dollars, and it's still growing!

This is my fourth week =  and I've made about $39,000 TOTAL, and believe it
or not the = money is still coming in.... Let me tell you how this works and
most = importantly, WHY it works....also, make sure you print a copy of = this
article NOW, so you get the information from it, and begin = making money.

The process if very simple, and it consists of 3 = easy steps:

STEP 1:  Get 5 sepearte pieces of paper and = write the following on each
sheet of paper... "PLEASE PUT ME ON = YOUR MAILING LIST. And include your
name and mailing address." = Get five $1 bills, and place ONE inside each
piece of paper that you = have just written on, and fold each piece of paper
so the bill = will
not be seen in the envelope (otherwise, nosey people who like = to steal
envelopes with money in it will get yours).  Put one = paper inside the
envelope and seal it.  Do the same for all 5. =  You should now have 5
envelopes sealed, EACH having a piece of = paper AND the $1 bill inside.

NOTE:  Make sure those words = that were stated above are written on each
piece of paper. =  What you are doing is creating a service by this. This is
= PERFECTLY LEGAL.  Now, mail the 5 envelopes with the paper and $1 = in each
to the following 5 addresses:

  1. = Bryan
      1350 Greens Pkwy #911
=       Houston, TX  77067

=    2. Mark Jr.
      30 = McMellon Rd.
      Iola, TX =  77861

   3. Greg
=        2913 Richland Ave.
=        Louisville, KY 40220

=    4. Vincent
=        Leopold III Lei 16
=        2650  EDEGEM
=        BELGIUM

=     5. Bastin
=            General= Delivery
=            Prince = George, BC V2L 4R8
=            Canada<= br>
STEP 2:  Now take the #1 name off the list that you see = above, move the
other 4 names up (5 becoming 4, 4 becomin 3, etc.) = and put YOUR NAME as
number 5 on the list.  You can slightly = alter this article if you need to,
editing what you need to = edit.

STEP 3: Post your amended article (with your name at #5) = to at least 200
news groups (there are around 18,000 of them!). =  All you need is say at
least 200.

Using I.E. EXPLORER, = Holding down the left mouse button, highlight this
article. =  Then press the "CTRL" key and the "C" key at = the same time, to
copy this article.  Then print this article = for your records to have the
names of those you will be sending $1 = bills to.  Next, go to the news
groups and press "POST AN = ARTICLE".  A window will open.  Type in your
headline = in the subject area and then click in the large window below. =  If
you want to edit the article, do so and then highlight and = copy it again.
Now everytime you post the article in a new newgroup = all you have to repeat
is "CTRL and "V" and press = POST.


That's it!  Each time you do this, all you have = to do is type in a
different newsgroup, so that way, it posts to 200 = DIFFERENT newsgroups. You
see?  Now you just have 199 to go! =  (Don't worry, each one takes
about 30 seconds, once you get = used to it).  REMEMBER, 200 IS THE MINIMUM.
The more your post, = the more money you will make.

AND THAT'S IT!!!

You are = now in the mail-order business and will start receiving your

$1 = envelopes from various people all over the world, within days!

= HINT: THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST TO,

THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL = MAKE. You may want to rent a

PO Box eventually, because of all = the mail.  If you wish to

stay anonymous, you can come up = with a name, such as "manager" or

= "investor".  Just make sure all the addresses that you = have typed in

for the 4 people plus yourself are correct, = please.



LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SYSTEM = WORKS!



Out of every 200 postings, let's say I ONLY = recieve 5 replies, which is
actually VERY LOW. So I made $5 dollars = with my name at #5. Now, each
person who just sent me $1 dollar = makes, say 200 postings, now with  name
at number 4, WHICH IS A = TOTAL OF 1000 POSTINGS, not including yours too.
50 people send you = $1 dollar now - that's $50 dollars you have made! Next,
your new 50 = agents each post 200 newsgroups with your name at  number 3, or
= 10,000 POSTINGS (50 X 200 =3D 10,000). The average returns at $1 dollar = each,
or $500 dollars. They in turn make 200 postings, which is = 5,000 returns at
$1 dollar each, which is $5,000 dollars! And = finally, 5,000 people make 200
postings with YOUR NAME AT NUMBER = 1.

YOU NOW GET A RETURN OF $50,000 DOLLARS BEFORE YOUR NAME = DROPS OFF THE
LIST.
AND THAT'S IF EVERYONE ONLY MAKES 200 = POSTINGS, AND IF ONLY 5 PEOPLE
RESPOND!!!

When your name is = no longer on the list, you simply take the latest posting
that is = appearing in the newsgroups, and SEND OUT ANOTHER $5 DOLLARS TO THE
= NAMES ON THE LIST, PUTTING YOUR NAME AT #5 AGAIN.

And start = posting again. The thing to remember is, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ALL
= OVER THE WORLD ARE JOINING THE INTERNET AND READING THESE
ARTICLES = EVERY DAY - just like you are now!!!
So can you afford $5 dollars to = see if it really works? I think so..

People have said, = "What if the plan is played out and no one sends you the
= money?" So what! What are the chances of that happening when there = are TONS
OF NEW HONEST USERS AND NEW HONEST PEOPLE whos are joining = the internet and
newsgroups every day and are willing to give it a = try?

Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users every day, with = THOUSANDS of
those actually joining the internet.

Remember, = PLAY FAIRLY, AND HONESTLY, and this WILL WORK. I promise you!!

= You just have to be honest. Make sure you print this article out RIGHT = NOW.

Also, try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money = and always keep
an eye on the newsgroups to make sure everyone is = playing fairly.

REMEMBER: HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY! you don't = need to cheat the idea to
make money.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL, = PLEASE PLAY FAIRLY, AND YOU WILL REAP THE HUGE REWARDS

FROM THIS = - TONS OF EXTRA CASH!!!

One last note: if you try to decieve = people by posting the messages with
your name on the list and not = sending the money to the people already on
the list, you will not = get much in return.

Someone I talked to knew someone who did = that and she only made $150
dollars, and that's after eight weeks! = Then she sent the 5 $1 dollar bills,
people added her to their = lists, and in 4-5 weeks she had over
$10,000 dollars!!! THIS IS THE = FAIREST AND MOST HONEST WAY I HAVE EVER SEEN
TO
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------=_NextPart_000_01BBF350.9AD05B60-- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 27 02:09:21 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA09673 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 02:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id CAA11618 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 02:09:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.mathworks.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!voskovec.radio.cz!news.apfel.de!nntp.uio.no!mordred.cc.jyu.fi!mmfcancel!cyberspam!usenet Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.smb,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.time. 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From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 27 12:42:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA23141 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 12:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA00835 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 12:42:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.voicenet.com!omni2!cmosley From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Not really a kermit question Date: 27 Dec 1996 17:33:34 GMT Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 45 Message-ID: <5a119e$c6f@news1.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6324 Hello, I noticed that I had poor throughput during most of my sessions. I tested this using mskermit and ckermit by using up/downloads during serial dialin sessions. This is what I discovered: 28.8 connection 115200 modem speed, windows 5, packet size 5000, 42.bis compression,rts/cts. 1. A session fell into one of two categories either a throughput of 3500 - 3900 cps or 6000 - 6500 cps for a text file (always the same file). The througput for a precompessed file was always ~3200 cps - this to assure that that varying line conditions did not account for the disparity. ~3200 was also the rate for a non-compressed session for any kind of file. During any one dial in session the cps did not change from the slower realm to the faster or faster to slower. 2. Varing packet-lengths had no effect other than to slow or speed up everythimg by the expected amount. 3.These results were basicly the same at all times: the likelyhood of having a good or bad session was the same, 1 out of every 5 sessions was 'a good one'. This was during times of heavy or light load on the remote. It was possible to have a good session at times when the load on the remote was the heaviest and to have a bad session when the the lightest. 4. The results were about the same for mnp compression. What I wonder. 1.It seems that compression is occuring, but what is this partial compression! ;-( , 3800cps for a file a file that would have a transfer rate of only slightly less (3200 cps) when a compression free connection was made? 2. Is it possible that some modems implement feeble compression? The reason I am posting here is the responses/suggestions I have gotten are. Don't use kermit. ? Shouldn't use packet lengths of over 1024 on a hayes compatible modems. ? Thanks cmosley From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 27 12:58:42 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA25419 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 12:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA01568 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 12:58:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 12 Date: 27 Dec 1996 17:57:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <5a12ml$5j1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6325 MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 12 is now available for testing (there was no open Beta 11). A timer-related problem was fixed that could cause MS-DOS Kermit to block (hang) on a TCP/IP connection for up to a minute or more if a sent packet were lost while slowly sending tiny packets. This problem was most frequently observed in Telnet terminal sessions, while typing. IF commands containing variables were being overevaluated; e.g. "if = \%i 4 decrement \%i". Such statements now work again. The following command-related changes were made for compatibility with C-Kermit 6.0: . The LOCAL command now works with macro names as well as \%x variable names. So, for example: LOCAL FOO BAR \%A declares three local variables, foo, bar, and \%a. FOO and BAR are macro names, which can be used either as "local subroutines" or as long-named variables accessible via the \m(name) construction. . The LOCAL command can now be used not only in macro definitions, but also in command files. This allows construction of portable command files with private data, without danger of conflict with variable names already in use globally, or by other procedures. . MSLEEP added as a synonym for MPAUSE (millisecond sleep). To get it: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file msk315.zip. ZIP file contains the executable, MSK315.EXE, and a brief description of the changes since version 3.14, MSK315.DOC. Report problems via email to kermit@columbia.edu. Thanks, as always, to Joe Doupnik of Utah State University for his excellent work. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 27 13:49:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA04825 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 13:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id NAA03903 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 13:49:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Not really a kermit question Date: 27 Dec 1996 18:48:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 90 Message-ID: <5a15md$8gs$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5a119e$c6f@news1.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6326 In article <5a119e$c6f@news1.voicenet.com>, Christopher Mosley wrote: : I noticed that I had poor throughput during most of my sessions. : I tested this using mskermit and ckermit by using up/downloads during : serial dialin sessions. This is what I discovered: : : 28.8 connection 115200 modem speed, windows 5, packet size 5000, : 42.bis compression,rts/cts. : As you might know, you can also squeeze another 20-25% throughput when transferring binary and/or precompressed files by using control-character prefixing (available in C-Kermit 5A(189) or later, MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 or later -- the current versions are 6.0.192 and 3.14, respectively). : 1. A session fell into one of two categories either a throughput of : 3500 - 3900 cps or 6000 - 6500 cps for a text file (always the same file). : The througput for a precompessed file was always ~3200 cps - this : to assure that that varying line conditions did not account for the : disparity. ~3200 was also the rate for a non-compressed session for : any kind of file. During any one dial in session the cps did not change : from the slower realm to the faster or faster to slower. : OK, so 3200 cps for a precompressed file, always. That indicates, roughly, the actual capacity of the connection. This is almost exactly what is expected (2880 cps / 8-bits-per-character = 3600 cps less about 11% LAPM (V.42) overhead = 3204 cps). And the constancy of this figure rules out modulation downshifting of the V.34 connection. So far so good. Now a text file is usually quite compressible. The degree to which it is compressed prior to transfer, then, all else being equal (and it seems to be) determines the throughput. If sometimes the file transfers at 3500-3900 cps, and others at 6000-6500, this indicates that the the modems have successfuly negotiated a compression protocol in the latter case, but not in the former. This can be verified by setting your modem to display its active protocols when it gives its CONNECT message, or by escaping back to the modem after connection and giving the appropriate command for displaying protocols. : 2. Varing packet-lengths had no effect other than to slow or speed : up everythimg by the expected amount. : : 3.These results were basicly the same at all times: the likelyhood : of having a good or bad session was the same, 1 out of every 5 : sessions was 'a good one'. This was during times of heavy or light : load on the remote. It was possible to have a good session at times : when the load on the remote was the heaviest and to have a bad : session when the the lightest. : : 4. The results were about the same for mnp compression. : : What I wonder. : : 1.It seems that compression is occuring, but what is this : partial compression! ;-( , 3800cps for a file a file that would : have a transfer rate of only slightly less (3200 cps) : when a compression free connection was made? : That's because Kermit protocol includes its own form of compression that is independent of the modem's. : The reason I am posting here is the responses/suggestions I have gotten are: : : Don't use kermit. ? : Thanks for not listening to that one. I think if you ran the same experiments with ZMODEM (which is, no doubt, what these people would tell you to use), you would get the same results for precompressed files, but you would probably get only the expected 3200 cps for text files, rather than the higher throughput that you got with Kermit. That's assuming the clean and totally transparent kind of connection that is required for ZMODEM to work well, or at all. : Shouldn't use packet lengths of over 1024 on a hayes compatible modems. ? : That doesn't make any sense. It's not the brand name or command set of the modem that's important, but rather its buffering and flow-control capacity. In general, the improvement from packet lengths over 1000 is marginal, but sometimes (almost in defiance of the underlying math) it can be significant. More often, a larger window size is more beneficial. In all cases, of course, you can also improve throughput by "unprefixing" those control characters that are safe to send bare. Kermit performance is discussed and analyzed in depth, with particular reference to V.34 connections, in Chapter 12 of the new second edition of "Using C-Kermit": http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 27 14:47:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA14908 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 14:47:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id OAA06787 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 14:47:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!204.96.36.2!wizard.pn.com!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!pier.ecn.purdue.edu!laird From: laird@pier.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit in 64K? Date: 27 Dec 1996 19:31:24 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <5a186c$oem@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pier.ecn.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6327 A long time ago, I was considering running Kermit on a couple of PCjr computers that I planned to connect to some monitors around the house. I thought that the IR keyboards would make them great for reading mail and news from the couch/bed/ dinner table/... ('cause I'm a NERD!) But...I checked on the memory requirements and found that a lowly 64K PCjr is not sufficient for Kermit. So...any advice? I don't think I have a DOS compiler around anymore, but I was hoping that I might be able to hack off parts of Kermit that I don't need. All I want is the VT-100 emulation. (Yes, I realize I *could* use a simple VT-100 emulator, but I use Kermit all the time on my main PC.) Thanks. --kyler From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 27 14:52:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA15455 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 14:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id OAA06893 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 14:52:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit in 64K? Date: 27 Dec 1996 19:50:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <5a19b2$cbp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5a186c$oem@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6328 In article <5a186c$oem@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Kyler Laird wrote: : A long time ago, I was considering running Kermit on a couple : of PCjr computers that I planned to connect to some monitors : around the house. I thought that the IR keyboards would make : them great for reading mail and news from the couch/bed/ : dinner table/... ('cause I'm a NERD!) : : But...I checked on the memory requirements and found that a : lowly 64K PCjr is not sufficient for Kermit. : : So...any advice? I don't think I have a DOS compiler around : anymore, but I was hoping that I might be able to hack off : parts of Kermit that I don't need. All I want is the VT-100 : emulation. (Yes, I realize I *could* use a simple VT-100 : emulator, but I use Kermit all the time on my main PC.) : The current version of Kermit is 3.14. If you look on your 3.14 diskette, you will see there are three different EXE files: KERMIT.EXE Full-featured version KERMITE.EXE No networks, no graphics terminal emulation KERLITE.EXE No networks, no terminal emulator at all Try the second one; it should fit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 27 18:47:06 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA26728 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 18:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id SAA17874 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 18:47:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.voicenet.com!omni2!cmosley From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Not really a kermit question Date: 27 Dec 1996 23:37:53 GMT Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 107 Message-ID: <5a1mkh$7uv@news1.voicenet.com> References: <5a119e$c6f@news1.voicenet.com> <5a15md$8gs$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6329 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <5a119e$c6f@news1.voicenet.com>, : Christopher Mosley wrote: : : I noticed that I had poor throughput during most of my sessions. : : I tested this using mskermit and ckermit by using up/downloads during : : serial dialin sessions. This is what I discovered: : : : : 28.8 connection 115200 modem speed, windows 5, packet size 5000, : : 42.bis compression,rts/cts. : : : As you might know, you can also squeeze another 20-25% throughput when : transferring binary and/or precompressed files by using control-character : prefixing (available in C-Kermit 5A(189) or later, MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 or : later -- the current versions are 6.0.192 and 3.14, respectively). : : 1. A session fell into one of two categories either a throughput of : : 3500 - 3900 cps or 6000 - 6500 cps for a text file (always the same file). : : The througput for a precompessed file was always ~3200 cps - this : : to assure that that varying line conditions did not account for the : : disparity. ~3200 was also the rate for a non-compressed session for : : any kind of file. During any one dial in session the cps did not change : : from the slower realm to the faster or faster to slower. : : : OK, so 3200 cps for a precompressed file, always. That indicates, roughly, : the actual capacity of the connection. This is almost exactly what is : expected (2880 cps / 8-bits-per-character = 3600 cps less about 11% LAPM : (V.42) overhead = 3204 cps). And the constancy of this figure rules out : modulation downshifting of the V.34 connection. So far so good. : Now a text file is usually quite compressible. The degree to which it : is compressed prior to transfer, then, all else being equal (and it seems : to be) determines the throughput. : If sometimes the file transfers at 3500-3900 cps, and others at 6000-6500, : this indicates that the the modems have successfuly negotiated a compression : protocol in the latter case, but not in the former. This can be verified : by setting your modem to display its active protocols when it gives its : CONNECT message, or by escaping back to the modem after connection and giving : the appropriate command for displaying protocols. : : 2. Varing packet-lengths had no effect other than to slow or speed : : up everythimg by the expected amount. : : : : 3.These results were basicly the same at all times: the likelyhood : : of having a good or bad session was the same, 1 out of every 5 : : sessions was 'a good one'. This was during times of heavy or light : : load on the remote. It was possible to have a good session at times : : when the load on the remote was the heaviest and to have a bad : : session when the the lightest. : : : : 4. The results were about the same for mnp compression. : : : : What I wonder. : : : : 1.It seems that compression is occuring, but what is this : : partial compression! ;-( , 3800cps for a file a file that would : : have a transfer rate of only slightly less (3200 cps) : : when a compression free connection was made? : : : That's because Kermit protocol includes its own form of compression that : is independent of the modem's. : : The reason I am posting here is the responses/suggestions I have gotten are: : : : : Don't use kermit. ? : : : Thanks for not listening to that one. I think if you ran the same : experiments with ZMODEM (which is, no doubt, what these people would tell : you to use), you would get the same results for precompressed files, but you : would probably get only the expected 3200 cps for text files, rather than : the higher throughput that you got with Kermit. That's assuming the clean : and totally transparent kind of connection that is required for ZMODEM to : work well, or at all. : : Shouldn't use packet lengths of over 1024 on a hayes compatible modems. ? : : : That doesn't make any sense. It's not the brand name or command set of the : modem that's important, but rather its buffering and flow-control capacity. : In general, the improvement from packet lengths over 1000 is marginal, but : sometimes (almost in defiance of the underlying math) it can be significant. : More often, a larger window size is more beneficial. In all cases, of : course, you can also improve throughput by "unprefixing" those control : characters that are safe to send bare. : Kermit performance is discussed and analyzed in depth, with particular : reference to V.34 connections, in Chapter 12 of the new second edition of : "Using C-Kermit": : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html : - Frank Yes, this must be it, the kermit repeat compression of a text file is in line with the difference between 3800 cps & 3200 cps. What threw me off was that my modem does report V42bis at connect. I assumed kermit's repeat compression was taking place but only accounted for some of the difference of 600 cps. I suppose since there is no way of turning off kermits repeat compression I could use a text file that has no repeats but could still be compressed by 42.bis. But No, 42.bis is either on or off. Some modem/s is/are not telling me the truth. Thanks cmosley From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 27 19:07:26 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA29603 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 19:07:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id TAA18908 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 19:07:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: New modem scripts for MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Date: 28 Dec 1996 00:06:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-ID: <5a1o9v$rs2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6330 A small group of new modem scripts has been assembled for use with MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 12 or later. These new scripts take advantage of many of the new features in the scripting language: block structure, MINPUT (INPUT with multiple simultaneous targets), local variables, and so on. Some have been tested, some have not. If you would like to try them out and report back to kermit@columbia.edu, here are the ones currently available: Name Remarks compaq.ksc Compaq internal modems -- untested hayes.ksc Hayes 1200 and 2400 -- tested on 1200 only megahz.ksc Megahertz X-Jack V.34 (XJ3144 or CC6144) -- untested sport.ksc US Robotics Sportster or Courier supra.ksc Supra or SupraSonic modems -- untested t3000.ksc Telebit T3000 (or T1600 or Qblazer) -- tested on T3000 The new modem scripts are in: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/modems/ And MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 12 is in: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip The filenames are (of course) in DOS 8.3 format. The new KSC filetype stands for "Kermit SCript". We can't use .SCR any more because in the world of Windows, that stands for "SCReen saver". A nice feature of the new scripts is that various parameters can be set by defining environment or Kermit variables. These are: DIALPORT - COM port to use for dialing (COM1, etc, default current port) DIALSPEED - Speed for dialing (default depends on script) DIALMETHOD - TONE or PULSE (modem's default method is used by default) DIALRETRIES - Maximum times to redial the call (default 5) DIALTIMEOUT - How long to wait for result from modem (default 90 seconds) If any of these variables is not defined, an appropriate default is used. To test these scripts, put them in the same directory with MSK315.EXE and make sure that is your current directory. Then tell MSK315 to: define dial set port 1, take xxxx.ksc Replace "port 1" with "port 2" or whatever port number your modem is connected to if it is not port 1, and replace "xxxx.ksc" with the name of the dialing script. Then tell Kermit to DIAL in the normal way, e.g.: dial 7654321 Read the comments in each script for additional details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 27 19:14:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA00593 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 19:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id TAA19171 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 19:14:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Not really a kermit question Date: 28 Dec 1996 00:13:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <5a1onc$sba$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5a119e$c6f@news1.voicenet.com> <5a15md$8gs$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5a1mkh$7uv@news1.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6331 In article <5a1mkh$7uv@news1.voicenet.com>, Christopher Mosley wrote: : ... : Yes, this must be it, the kermit repeat compression of a text file is in : line with the difference between 3800 cps & 3200 cps. What threw me off was : that my modem does report V42bis at connect. I assumed kermit's repeat : compression was taking place but only accounted for some of the difference : of 600 cps. I suppose since there is no way of turning off kermits repeat : compression I could use a text file that has no repeats but could still : be compressed by 42.bis. : Something as simple as ABABABAB... would do it (well, that one would be compressed a LOT by V.42bis...) But you _can_ turn off Kermit's repeat compression if you want to: set repeat counts off This is generally useful only for experiments like this one; usually there is little or nothing to be gained by it. : But No, 42.bis is either on or off. Some modem/s is/are not telling : me the truth. : Anybody who follows comp.dcom.modems would not be shocked to find a modem with a bug like this in it -- in fact, this is a fairly innoccuous one compared to many other common ones. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 27 19:39:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA05993 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 19:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id TAA20533 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 19:39:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!mindspring!uunet!in2.uu.net!192.207.105.50!prodigy.com!johnsmith From: Qoute-A-Day@juno.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Good Quotes (XcDNpE) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 96 00:30:26 GMT Organization: Qoute A Day Lines: 13 Message-ID: <5a1pmm$saa@usenet1y.prodigy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: port112.nyc3.prodigy.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6332 Every day, we at Quote-A-Day e-mail an interesting quote to people on the Internet. 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Later, if you like, you can stop receiving this mailing by sending e-mail to Unsubscribe2@Juno.com (XcDNpE) From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 27 19:50:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA07296 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 19:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id TAA21075 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 19:50:39 -0500 (EST) Control: cancel <5a1pmm$saa@usenet1y.prodigy.net> Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!192.207.105.50!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!news From: Qoute-A-Day@juno.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5a1pmm$saa@usenet1y.prodigy.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 96 00:30:26 GMT Lines: 3 Xref: news.columbia.edu control.cancel:1090344 Cancelled - doesn't fit Prodigy(r) "Terms of Use" Questions to admin@prodigy.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 28 12:31:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA02630 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 1996 12:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id MAA26935 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 28 Dec 1996 12:31:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit printing utilities Date: 28 Dec 1996 17:30:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <5a3lfb$bq3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6333 A special directory has been set up on the Kermit ftp site for printer utilities usable with Kermit software. Included are the textps program for translating from plain text in various character sets to PostScript; the various transparent-print and autoprint shell scripts and VMS DCL command procedures, etc. Also included are two new programs for transparent printing to HP LaserJet 4L and 5L printers, with automatic conversion from Latin-1 to the printer's native character set (HP Roman8 and CP437, respectively). The new directory is: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/printers/ The READ.ME file in that directory contains a summary of the files. No binaries are included -- only script programs or C-language source. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 28 17:16:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA17760 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 1996 17:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id RAA10390 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 28 Dec 1996 17:16:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Not really a kermit question Message-ID: <1996Dec28.144731.90976@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Dec 96 14:47:31 MDT References: <5a119e$c6f@news1.voicenet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6334 In article <5a119e$c6f@news1.voicenet.com>, cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) writes: > Hello, > I noticed that I had poor throughput during most of my sessions. > I tested this using mskermit and ckermit by using up/downloads during > serial dialin sessions. This is what I discovered: > > 28.8 connection 115200 modem speed, windows 5, packet size 5000, > 42.bis compression,rts/cts. ---------- I'd say 5KB Kermit packets is too large for efficiency. That likely exceeds the buffering capacity of any stage along the path (in programs at either end, in the modems, etc). Wiser is 1KB Kermit packets so when one arrives completely analysis can begin while others make their way through the comms pipeline. Most of the pipelines I've seen (mainly Internet ones) are less than 8KB capacity round trip so 1KB Kermit packets and 8 window slots is a nice fit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 28 23:58:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id XAA09806 for ; Sat, 28 Dec 1996 23:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id XAA29033 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 28 Dec 1996 23:58:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.voicenet.com!omni2!cmosley From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Not really a kermit question Date: 29 Dec 1996 04:48:49 GMT Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <5a4t7h$pc2@news1.voicenet.com> References: <5a119e$c6f@news1.voicenet.com> <1996Dec28.144731.90976@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6335 Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <5a119e$c6f@news1.voicenet.com>, cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) writes: : > Hello, : > I noticed that I had poor throughput during most of my sessions. : > I tested this using mskermit and ckermit by using up/downloads during : > serial dialin sessions. This is what I discovered: : > : > 28.8 connection 115200 modem speed, windows 5, packet size 5000, : > 42.bis compression,rts/cts. : ---------- : I'd say 5KB Kermit packets is too large for efficiency. That : likely exceeds the buffering capacity of any stage along the path : (in programs at either end, in the modems, etc). Wiser is 1KB Kermit : packets so when one arrives completely analysis can begin while others : make their way through the comms pipeline. Most of the pipelines I've : seen (mainly Internet ones) are less than 8KB capacity round trip so : 1KB Kermit packets and 8 window slots is a nice fit. : Joe D. Throughput increases a little less than 1/3 when I use 5000 rather than a 1000 (dialin to shell). I don't know, I will check maybe the optimum length is somewhere in between. Thanks cmosley From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 29 00:21:46 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA12285 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 00:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id AAA00028 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 00:21:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!news From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Not really a kermit question Date: 29 Dec 1996 05:20:48 GMT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5a4v3g$5b2@nr1.vancouver.istar.net> References: <5a119e$c6f@news1.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: webserver.vertigo3d.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6336 In article <5a119e$c6f@news1.voicenet.com>, cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) writes: > Hello, > I noticed that I had poor throughput during most of my sessions. > I tested this using mskermit and ckermit by using up/downloads during > serial dialin sessions. This is what I discovered: > > 28.8 connection 115200 modem speed, windows 5, packet size 5000, > 42.bis compression,rts/cts. ---------- I'd say 5KB Kermit packets is too large for efficiency. That likely exceeds the buffering capacity of any stage along the path (in programs at either end, in the modems, etc). Wiser is 1KB Kermit packets so when one arrives completely analysis can begin while others make their way through the comms pipeline. Most of the pipelines I've seen (mainly Internet ones) are less than 8KB capacity round trip so 1KB Kermit packets and 8 window slots is a nice fit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 29 15:47:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA15718 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA04359 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 15:47:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!neoucom.edu!kraken!redpoll!cyberspam!spewcancel!red From: red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us (Richard E. Depew) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ignore: Re: Not really a kermit question Control: cancel <5a4v3g$5b2@nr1.vancouver.istar.net> Sender: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 20:36:05 GMT X-Canceled-By: red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us (Richard E. Depew) Lines: 1 Xref: news.columbia.edu control.cancel:1114884 Cleaning up spew from broken gateway at nr1.vancouver.istar.net From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 29 18:52:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA15139 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 18:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id SAA13230 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 18:52:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-xfer.netaxs.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!djwhome.demon.co.uk!david From: david@djwhome.demon.co.uk (David Woolley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: zmodem transfer using c-kermit Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 19:35:48 GMT Organization: Demon Subscriber at Home Lines: 16 Sender: news@djwhome.demon.co.uk (news) Message-ID: References: <57nt11$mb8@news.ccit.arizona.edu> <59u17a$el0@news.eecs.umich.edu> X-Mail2News-User: news@djwhome.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: djwhome.demon.co.uk Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6337 In article <59u17a$el0@news.eecs.umich.edu>, R. Stewart Ellis wrote: > >Could you give a more complete reference for the "recent Gnu bug fix"? I >have the older sources, but they do not run very well on Solaris 2.x SPARC. >I have been using ancient SunOS 4.1.x binaries. Slackware 2.3 Linux contains it. The "bug fixes" is merely quoting what is in the supporting documentation, I don't know what they have done, but the implication is that it is minimal. -- David Woolley, London, England david@djwhome.demon.co.uk (Sending any email to this site constitutes a licence to copy it to any company which might reasonably be assumed to have transported it or might reasonably be assumed to service any addresses quoted in it. 15Sep1996) From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 30 08:47:45 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA21654 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 08:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id IAA10187 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 08:47:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!204.177.184.15!everest.iserv.net!news From: mjordan@i386.jordan.org (Mark J. Jordan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem doing Zmodem thru Kermit telnet. Date: 30 Dec 1996 08:38:23 -0500 Organization: A Red Hat Commercial Linux Site Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5a8gkf$bn3@i386.jordan.org> Reply-To: mjordan@mail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.114.38.79 X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 2.10 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6338 Keep getting the above error message when attempting to download file using external zmodem protocol program, rz, thru a telnet / tcp/ip connection. I'm using the ckurzsz.ini macros from ckermit for linux V5a.190-2. Error doesn't occur for text files, but does for binary/zip files. Error also doesn't occur when doing same xfr thru dialup connection vs. telnet. Any one have any ideas? Is telnet not able to accommodate such a file xfr? Thanks in advance for any advice. Happy Holidays! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark J. Jordan Programmer/Analyst ~~~ Give the gift of life... Michigan Community Blood Centers GIVE BLOOD! ~~~ mjordan@mail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 30 09:41:16 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA01746 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id JAA13159 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:41:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem doing Zmodem thru Kermit telnet. Date: 30 Dec 1996 14:40:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <5a8k8d$f58$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5a8gkf$bn3@i386.jordan.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6339 In article <5a8gkf$bn3@i386.jordan.org>, Mark J. Jordan wrote: : Keep getting the above error message when attempting to download file : using external zmodem protocol program, rz, thru a telnet / tcp/ip : connection. I'm using the ckurzsz.ini macros from ckermit for linux : V5a.190-2. Error doesn't occur for text files, but does for binary/zip : files. Error also doesn't occur when doing same xfr thru dialup : connection vs. telnet. : : Any one have any ideas? Is telnet not able to accommodate such a file : xfr? : In general, Zmodem, unlike Kermit, demands a fully transparent 8-bit connection. Telnet does not provide such a connection. If your version of sz/rz has command-line switches for prefixing ("escaping") dangerous characters (such as 0xFF and 0x0D), use them. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 30 15:01:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA00671 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 15:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA28026 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 15:01:28 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!199.172.62.14!world!wpns From: wpns@world.std.com (William Smith) Subject: Binaries over telnet over PPP under Win95? Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Distribution: na Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 19:54:59 GMT Lines: 14 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6340 I tried several times over the weekend to transfer a rather large file home, first by dumping it to a local disk using netscape (3.0 gold), then by transferring it to my ISP and using Kermit to telnet into the ISP over the PPP link, but on both cases I got modem disconnects after a few minutes. Dropping the PPP link and using Kermit to dial in directly worked flawlessly, any idea where the problem might be? Thanks! -- Willie Smith wpns@world.std.com N1JBJ@amsat.org #define NII Information SuperCollider From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 30 15:10:39 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA01966 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 15:10:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA28400 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 15:10:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Binaries over telnet over PPP under Win95? Date: 30 Dec 1996 20:09:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Distribution: na Message-ID: <5a97hv$3ru$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6341 In article , William Smith wrote: : I tried several times over the weekend to transfer a rather large file : home, first by dumping it to a local disk using netscape (3.0 gold), : then by transferring it to my ISP and using Kermit to telnet into the : ISP over the PPP link, but on both cases I got modem disconnects after : a few minutes. : : Dropping the PPP link and using Kermit to dial in directly worked : flawlessly, any idea where the problem might be? : No idea. But I would suggest you use the Dial-up Networking monitor to see what kind of errors the PPP driver is reporting before the disconnect. Perhaps you have some kind of flow control problem. Try reducing the connect speed. Jeffrey Altman * Kermit Development Group * Columbia University * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 30 15:13:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA02334 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 15:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id PAA28577 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 15:13:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Binaries over telnet over PPP under Win95? Date: 30 Dec 1996 20:12:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: na Message-ID: <5a97nc$43v$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6342 In article , William Smith wrote: : I tried several times over the weekend to transfer a rather large file : home, first by dumping it to a local disk using netscape (3.0 gold), : then by transferring it to my ISP and using Kermit to telnet into the : ISP over the PPP link, but on both cases I got modem disconnects after : a few minutes. : : Dropping the PPP link and using Kermit to dial in directly worked : flawlessly, any idea where the problem might be? : Unlike most other Kermit programs, Kermit 95 "unprefixes" most control characters by default. Maybe your PPP link (most likely at the terminal server interface) is sensitive to one or more of them? If that's the case, try "set prefixing all". If that doesn't fix it, then maybe the Telnet server on the far end is chopping off the 8th bit. In that case try "set parity space". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 30 22:04:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA20224 for ; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 22:04:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id WAA18921 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 22:04:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!insync!gryphon.phoenix.net!damonbrownd1 From: dbrownd@phoenix.net (Damon Brownd) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Binaries over telnet over PPP under Win95? Date: Tue, 31 Dec 96 03:00:24 GMT Organization: Obfuscation, Inc. Lines: 16 Distribution: na Message-ID: <5a9vl8$7ej$1@uhura.phoenix.net> References: <5a97hv$3ru$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial201.phoenix.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6343 In article <5a97hv$3ru$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: >No idea. But I would suggest you use the Dial-up Networking monitor >to see what kind of errors the PPP driver is reporting before the disconnect. >Perhaps you have some kind of flow control problem. Try reducing the >connect speed. > I've not heard of the dial-up networking monitor. A search of the Microsoft web site located some things that appear to be NT specific. Or are you referring to netstat? Damon Brownd dbrownd@phoenix.net I am the world's foremost authority... on my own opinion. 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" LEARN AT HOME " From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 1 01:01:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA25306 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 01:01:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id BAA26427 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 01:01:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.sgi.com!cygnus.com!kithrup.com!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <5ackao$5g3@chile.earthlink.net> Date: 1 Jan 1997 04:33:23 GMT Control: cancel <5ackao$5g3@chile.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Sender: help@spry.com X-Cancelled-By: sef@kithrup.com Approved: sef@kithrup.com Lines: 1 Xref: news.columbia.edu control.cancel:1159971 Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 1 10:23:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA20685 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 10:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) id KAA12410 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 10:23:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!jjena.dialup.fu-berlin.DE!not-for-mail From: jvjena@cs.tu-berlin.de (Joachim von Jena) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: The miraculous behaviour of user-defined modem-types in K95 Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 15:25:25 GMT Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlin Lines: 110 Message-ID: <32ca7f62.16670232@news.fu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: jjena.dialup.fu-berlin.de (160.45.225.137) X-Access: 16 17 19 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:6347 ;Dear Kermit 95 users, ;Here is the problem setting (... do you have a modem or ;terminal-adapter which conforms exactly to one of the ;predefined modem-types of K95? Than you don't need to read further) : ;If I tell K95 what to do for a preparation of a X75- ;ISDN-connection: ; FILE K95X75.INI which can replace K95CUSTOM.INI. Applies to a ; Zyxel Omni TA128 with Zyxel SP111AT serial/parallel adapter ; card with clockspeed setting = (x4) such that line speeds ; are multiplied by 4. ; set port 3 set speed 57600 set modem type user-defined set modem name OmniTA128_X75 set Modem carrier-watch auto set Modem capabilities AT SB EC DC HWFC SWFC set Modem maximum-speed 57600 set Modem error-correction on set Modem compression on set Modem speed-matching off set Modem flow-control auto set Modem kermit-spoof off set Modem escape-character 43 SET MODEM COMMAND INIT-STRING AT&FE1V1Q0X7&O2B00\13 SET MODEM DIAL-COMMAND ATD%s\13 SET MODEM COMMAND AUTOANSWER ON ATS0=1\13 SET MODEM COMMAND AUTOANSWER OFF ATS0=0\13 SET MODEM COMMAND ERROR-CORRECTION ON AT\13 SET MODEM COMMAND ERROR-CORRECTION OFF AT\13 SET MODEM COMMAND COMPRESSION ON AT&K44\13 SET MODEM COMMAND COMPRESSION OFF AT&K00\13 SET MODEM COMMAND DIAL-MODE-STRING SET MODEM COMMAND DIAL-MODE-PROMPT SET MODEM COMMAND HANGUP-COMMAND ATH0\13 SET MODEM COMMAND HARDWARE-FLOW AT&H3\13 SET MODEM COMMAND SOFTWARE-FLOW AT&H4\13 SET MODEM COMMAND NO-FLOW-CONTROL AT&H0\13 SET MODEM COMMAND TONE ATM\13 SET MODEM COMMAND PULSE ATI\13 set modem compression on set terminal type ansi-bbs ; end of file K95X75.ini ;... if I now tell K95: set modem type user-defined ; ... would you mind if K95 applies afterwards ; invisibly to the user the following series of commands?: ; (begin of miracle commands) set Modem carrier-watch set Modem capabilities set Modem maximum-speed 0 set Modem error-correction off set Modem compression off set Modem speed-matching set Modem flow-control set Modem kermit-spoof set Modem escape-character 0 SET MODEM COMMAND INIT-STRING SET MODEM DIAL-COMMAND SET MODEM COMMAND AUTOANSWER ON SET MODEM COMMAND AUTOANSWER OFF SET MODEM COMMAND ERROR-CORRECTION ON SET MODEM COMMAND ERROR-CORRECTION OFF SET MODEM COMMAND COMPRESSION ON SET MODEM COMMAND COMPRESSION OFF SET MODEM COMMAND DIAL-MODE-STRING SET MODEM COMMAND DIAL-MODE-PROMPT SET MODEM COMMAND HANGUP-COMMAND SET MODEM COMMAND HARDWARE-FLOW SET MODEM COMMAND SOFTWARE-FLOW SET MODEM COMMAND NO-FLOW-CONTROL SET MODEM COMMAND TONE SET MODEM COMMAND PULSE ;(end of miracle commands) ;... I would guess you would most certainly because you don't know ;what's going on. You would most likely ask: where do these commands ;come from? Where are these argumentless variants of commands defined? ;... ;You would further ask when does the above situation occur? ;I encountered it in the Hostmode of K95 (You advanced K95 users look ; into scripts/hostmdm.ksc: ... set modem type \v(modem) ...). ; If you want to use this message as a script simply delete ; the previous "miracle" commands. You can use it for initialisation ; of X75 client mode of the Omni TA128. ; Explanation for non-german readers: ; X75 is used by the majority of ISDN-BBSes in Germany. ;An application of the riddle for advanced users (difficult): ;try to use K95 in hostmode with x75.ini or a similar ;user-defined terminal-adapter or modem. ;You advanced K95 users: ;perhaps this a an adequate Warm-Up in this cold New Year ;which I wish you to be a happy one. ;Joachim