From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 16 16:27:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10314 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26768 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:27:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Asian Language Support in Kermit95 Date: 16 Dec 1997 21:27:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <676rnn$i0b$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34958C77.D320DD1B@hp-santaclara-om3.om.hp.com> <676bcu$7kp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8159 In article <676bcu$7kp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >P.S. In addition to CJK, which are often classed together because they >share a (very) large number of Han / Kanji ideographs, there are, of >course, numerous other Asian character sets: the Indic sets, Thai, >Burmese, Lao, Vietnamese, and many others. Each of these has its own >story, and none are presently supported explicitly by Kermit software, >but any of them might still be used under the conditions noted above. Correction: although none from that list are supported by Kermit-95 or MSK, there is support for one of them (Thai) in Kermit-370. John Chandler From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 16 16:40:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14189 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA27562 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:40:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: "John F. Chandler" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing IBM Mainframe Kermit-370 Version 4.3.2 Date: 16 Dec 1997 21:40:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <676sg8$ieq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: IBM Mainframe Kermit, VM/CMS Kermit, MVS/TSO Kermit, CICS Kermit, MUSIC Kermit, "Year-2000 compliance" Originator: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8160 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ibm370.html Brief highlights of the new version: 1. Kermit-370 has been updated to handle dates properly after 1999. The situation was different for each variant. For the details, see the system-specific BWR files. (The MUSIC variant has always been year-2000 compliant.) 2. Kermit now suppresses the "doubled" transmission of a file that can sometimes occur on a flaky connection. 3. Kermit-370 supports a feature present in some micro Kermits: it is possible to issue a SEND or GET to the mainframe Kermit, and the micro will automatically pop from terminal emulation into transfer mode and then revert to emulation as soon as the transfer is done. 4. Two obscure bugs in the RESEND command have been fixed. 5. The REGET command has been implemented (works like GET, but makes the server do a RESEND of the requested file). 6. Kermit-370 now announces its system type to the other Kermit during the initial negotiations. This allows the both Kermits to know whether they are running on the same type of platform or not. 7. It is again possible to set the Kermit "working directory" to a PDS under TSO. 8. Kermit-370 now clears the "Kermit command error" status condition to "No errors" after all subcommands, as promised in the documentation. Many thanks to the beta testers who put the new version through its paces. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 16 16:58:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16720 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28363 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:58:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing IBM Mainframe Kermit-370 Version 4.3.2 Date: 16 Dec 1997 21:57:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-ID: <676th6$ivo$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <676sg8$ieq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: IBM Mainframe Kermit, VM/CMS Kermit, MVS/TSO Kermit, CICS Kermit, MUSIC Kermit, "Year-2000 compliance" Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8161 For reasons not entirely clear, the main part of this announcement was filtered out by the new server. Here is the missing portion again. Version 4.3.2 of Kermit-370 is now released for general use on all the supported platforms (CMS, TSO, MUSIC, ROSCOE, and CICS). The new version is available in the form of updates relative to the base source files for 4.3.0, which remain part of the package. The updates are mostly generic changes across all variants, but there are some system- specific changes as well. They are summarized below and are described in somewhat more detail in the respective BWR files ik*.bwr in the distribution. The updates themselves are in ik*.upd. The changes since 4.3.1 are relatively simple, but some (specifically, the support for year-2000 dates) are highly topical. Note: the new version has been available in Beta for about a year. The files for the new version are available at watsun.cc.columbia.edu via anonymous FTP from the kermit/b directory -- to get the complete distribution for a specific variant, fetch ik0* (eye kay zero) and ik?* (where "?" is "c" for CMS, "t" for TSO, "m" for MUSIC, or "x" for CICS). For ROSCOE, you need both ikt* and ikr*. As always, the instructions for installation are found in ik*ker.ins and ik*ker.bwr. The files are also available from BITNET KERMSRV at CUVMA. You may also link to the update files via the WWW at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ibm370.html Brief highlights of the new version: 1. Kermit-370 has been updated to handle dates properly after 1999. The situation was different for each variant. For the details, see the system-specific BWR files. (The MUSIC variant has always been year-2000 compliant.) 2. Kermit now suppresses the "doubled" transmission of a file that can sometimes occur on a flaky connection. 3. Kermit-370 supports a feature present in some micro Kermits: it is possible to issue a SEND or GET to the mainframe Kermit, and the micro will automatically pop from terminal emulation into transfer mode and then revert to emulation as soon as the transfer is done. 4. Two obscure bugs in the RESEND command have been fixed. 5. The REGET command has been implemented (works like GET, but makes the server do a RESEND of the requested file). 6. Kermit-370 now announces its system type to the other Kermit during the initial negotiations. This allows the both Kermits to know whether they are running on the same type of platform or not. 7. It is again possible to set the Kermit "working directory" to a PDS under TSO. 8. Kermit-370 now clears the "Kermit command error" status condition to "No errors" after all subcommands, as promised in the documentation. Many thanks to the beta testers who put the new version through its paces. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Dec 18 10:31:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07020 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19181 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:31:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for OS/390? Date: 18 Dec 1997 15:31:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <67bfjv$s3l$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8163 OS/390 is IBM's new packaging and new release of the mainframe MVS operating system, which includes not only TSO, but also a UNIX-like environment and file system, TCP/IP, etc. We are getting a lot of queries about whether Kermit works in OS/390, but we don't know the answer. We assume that the MVS/TSO version works, but we need confirmation. Is anybody out there running OS/390, and have you tried Kermit on it? The current version is 4.3.2, announced just a couple days ago. Thanks. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Dec 18 12:42:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04336 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26182 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:42:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Don O'Neil" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Modems, Kermit & SUN Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:42:46 -0800 Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 138.112.237.121 Message-ID: <34996054.0@news.ptes.com> Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.ptes.com!138.112.237.121 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8164 comp.sys.sun.admin:109377 comp.sys.sun.apps:19140 comp.sys.sun.hardware:60661 comp.sys.sun.misc:38243 I am having the darnedest time getting a modem to work on my Ultrasparc w/ Kermit under Solaris 2.5.1... Here's the situation: Sun tech support helped me get the modem to at least work w/ tip, so I know the modem is ok... I can dial out, initialize, etc... whatever I want from tip, but I want to use Kermit so I can do some automation of file sending... When I go into Kermit's command mode, (version 6.0.192), I type in the following: set modem hayes set line /dev/cua/b set speed 9600 dial 555-1212 (or whatever) What I get back is: SERIAL: Operation would block What's up with this? Is there some special setting I need to use w/ my US Robotics Sportster 28.8? A special cable maybe? Something in the OS that needs to be fixed/set up more than tip requires? SUN Support won't help me because "Kermit is not a supported SUN application" (HP Supports it and even build it into the OS bundle!!) Please help!!!! Thanks!!! From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Dec 18 12:45:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04647 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26340 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:44:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!xs4all!IRIS.global-one.nl!cadmium.aware.nl!not-for-mail From: "Michel Krabshuis" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Special keys in Kermit 95 can they be disabled??? Date: 17 Dec 1997 15:50:49 GMT Organization: MJK Automatisering Message-ID: <01bd0b03$4c044e80$234f12c3@michel> NNTP-Posting-Host: utrecht-033.std.pop.tip.nl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 12 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8165 Hello, Can the special keys in terminal mode be disabled? Because many users hit accidently Alt-X (exit and lost connection) and Alt-R (Reset terminal) in stead of Shift-R and so on. This gives me lots of trouble, lost connections and unclosed files etcetera. Scrollback keys can those also be disabled? Thanks Michel Krabshuis From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Dec 18 12:51:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06018 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26664 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:51:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Special keys in Kermit 95 can they be disabled??? Date: 18 Dec 1997 17:51:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <67bnrm$3i7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd0b03$4c044e80$234f12c3@michel> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8166 In article <01bd0b03$4c044e80$234f12c3@michel>, Michel Krabshuis wrote: : Hello, : Can the special keys in terminal mode be disabled? : Because many users hit accidently Alt-X (exit and lost connection) : Alt-x returns to the K-95> prompt. It does not close the connection. Maybe you mean Alt-u. But... : ... and Alt-R (Reset terminal) in stead of Shift-R and so on. : This gives me lots of trouble, lost connections and unclosed files : etcetera. : : Scrollback keys can those also be disabled? : You can assign any function to any key or key combination. SHOW KEY tells you what the current assignment is; SET KEY (or SET TERM KEY) can be used to change it. Among the "things" that you can assign to a key is a "Kermit Verb", which has a name like \Kxxxx. The verb \Kignore means (you guessed it) "ignore this key". So, for example, to have Alt-u be ignored: set key \2165 \Kignore Put this and any other desired key settings in the K95CUSTOM.INI file, and it will be in effect whenever K95 is started. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Dec 18 13:04:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08276 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27327 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:04:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Modems, Kermit & SUN Date: 18 Dec 1997 18:04:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 75 Message-ID: <67boio$3s5$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34996054.0@news.ptes.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8167 comp.sys.sun.admin:109378 comp.sys.sun.apps:19141 comp.sys.sun.hardware:60663 comp.sys.sun.misc:38244 In article <34996054.0@news.ptes.com>, Don O'Neil wrote: : I am having the darnedest time getting a modem to work on my Ultrasparc w/ : Kermit under Solaris 2.5.1... Here's the situation: : : Sun tech support helped me get the modem to at least work w/ tip, so I know : the modem is ok... I can dial out, initialize, etc... whatever I want from : tip, but I want to use Kermit so I can do some automation of file sending... : : When I go into Kermit's command mode, (version 6.0.192), I type in the : following: : : set modem hayes : "Hayes" means Hayes-1200 or -2400. You probably want to pick a more modern modem type; otherwise all bets are off (flow control, etc). Type: set modem type ? to see a list of the modem types that are supported. If yours is not on the list, you can add it as a user-defined modem as described in the C-Kermit manual. : set line /dev/cua/b : Is this device properly configured for use with modems? Don't you have to run some kind of setup program called "eeprom" or something? Did you do that? The last time I looked, the procedure was described in the section "Setting up Modem Software" in the Desktop SPARC Sun System & Network Manager's Guide or equivalent manual. : set speed 9600 : dial 555-1212 (or whatever) : : What I get back is: : : SERIAL: Operation would block : : What's up with this? : That's a message from the operating system, not Kermit. It almost certainly indicates that the device was not set up for use with modems. : Is there some special setting I need to use w/ my US Robotics Sportster : 28.8? : You should tell C-Kermit to: set modem type usr rather than: set modem hayes But that's only for after you get basic communication going. : A special cable maybe? : No. A regular straight-through modem cable is all you need. : Something in the OS that needs to be fixed/set up more than tip requires? : SUN Support won't help me because "Kermit is not a supported SUN : application" (HP Supports it and even build it into the OS bundle!!) : Yes, that simplifies matters quite a bit for HP users, and for us too since we have a direct line to HP engineers to get problems solved quickly and effectively, rather than groping in the dark. Of course Sun is perfectly welcome to talk with us about support issues, bundling, or anything else. Feel free to refer them to me. In the meantime, C-Kermit 6.0 is working fine for countless SunOS and Solaris users, so the problems you are experiencing are almost certainly in the port configuration, which is beyond Kermit's control. - Frank http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Dec 18 18:28:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13028 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA13826 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:28:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!pitt.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!pkbst2 From: pkbst2+@pitt.edu (Prabhdeep K Bajwa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit won't append to a file. Date: 18 Dec 1997 17:34:33 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 21 Message-ID: <67bmr9$kf1@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unixs3.cis.pitt.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8168 We are using kermit 3.14 and kermit 3.15. In older version of kermit we were able to append our sessions to a file using this command kermit> set dump filename and that everytime we need to put a screen in this file hitting alt h would do the job, now with kermit 3.14 and 3.15 this does not work. If we set this file using kermit> set printer filename and then cntl printscreen to save the screen in this textfile it overwrites each time, is there anything which appends and not overwrites any command or sequence of keys? Thanks Sandeep S Bajwa From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Dec 18 18:34:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15921 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:34:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14274 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:34:14 -0500 (EST) From: dbl@real-data.com Subject: "take too long" error Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:11:38 -0600 Message-ID: <882486099.405733385@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Deja News Posting Service Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 18 23:01:39 1997 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: dbl@real-data.com X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Update a; Windows NT) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 208.153.31.3 () proxy [1.0 SRVR_013] Lines: 24 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8169 hi all, i am running WinNT 4.0 with the K95 we bought this summer (v. 13). i have a .ksc that is about 8K bytes and has about 200+ lines. it acts fine till i add line (like "echo {hello}" (it doesnt matter what, or i add several comment lines) then i get the error below. am i running into some limit? i have looked in the manual, in the "help files" and on the kermit page. what am i missing? thanks for any input. Initializing Default Keymaps Initialization complete! Executing C:\K95\k95.ini for WIN32... Customizing.................... connect to com1......... other customizations..... Good Evening, smile! Beginining to process the list file (c:\k95\\file.lst) . . . ?Error in TAKE command file: Line too long or contains NUL characters [C:\K95] K-95> -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Dec 18 18:41:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16967 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14592 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:41:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "take too long" error Date: 18 Dec 1997 23:41:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <67ccbu$f85$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <882486099.405733385@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8170 In article <882486099.405733385@dejanews.com>, wrote: : i am running WinNT 4.0 with the K95 we bought this summer (v. 13). i : have a .ksc that is about 8K bytes and has about 200+ lines. it acts fine : till i add line (like "echo {hello}" (it doesnt matter what, or i add : several comment lines) then i get the error below. am i running into : some limit? i have looked in the manual, in the "help files" and on the : kermit page. what am i missing? : ... : Beginining to process the list file (c:\k95\\file.lst) . . . : ?Error in TAKE command file: Line too long or contains NUL characters : This usually means that a command in your KSC file is longer than the command buffer. Note that a macro definition is a single command, even if it is continued on many lines. The limit in Kermit 95 is 4K. If you have a macro definition that is longer than 4K, you'll need to break it up into "submacros". The same applies to FOR and WHILE loops, XIF-ELSE constructions, and SWITCH statements. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Dec 20 02:37:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA05213 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 02:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA06736 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 02:37:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ais.net!news.xnet.com!not-for-mail From: "Tony Harris" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Modems, Kermit & SUN Date: 20 Dec 1997 07:36:59 GMT Organization: XNet - The Midwest's Leading Network Service Provider - (630) 983-6064 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bd0d1b$da286380$9a8af3cd@default> References: <34996054.0@news.ptes.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tony.xnet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8171 comp.sys.sun.admin:109461 comp.sys.sun.apps:19152 comp.sys.sun.hardware:60704 comp.sys.sun.misc:38280 Hey, where did you get the cable to convert the "mini" serial port (as I call it) to a RS232 port? -Tony -- http://www.ntech.com/tony Ok - so it isn't done, and it isn't exciting, but at least I worked on the digital photo section :) tony@ntech.com (email not in header:) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Dec 20 18:05:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22411 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA24449 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:05:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed1.tiac.net!news-master.tiac.net!news@tiac.net From: "d littlefield" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "take too long" error Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:07:40 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <67hins$140@news-central.tiac.net> References: <882486099.405733385@dejanews.com> <67ccbu$f85$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: leofa.tiac.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8172 thank you. just a note to say your advice helped. I did have a large (by Kermit standards) while loop so I learned how to do macros better and built some subroutines. it seems to work nicely now thanks again! Frank da Cruz wrote: >: i am running WinNT 4.0 with the K95 we bought this summer (v. 13). i >: have a .ksc that is about 8K bytes and has about 200+ lines. it acts fine >: till i add line (like "echo {hello}" (it doesnt matter what, or i add >: several comment lines) then i get the error below. am i running into >: some limit? i have looked in the manual, in the "help files" and on the >: kermit page. what am i missing? >: ... >: Beginining to process the list file (c:\k95\\file.lst) . . . >: ?Error in TAKE command file: Line too long or contains NUL characters >: >This usually means that a command in your KSC file is longer than the >command buffer. Note that a macro definition is a single command, even if >it is continued on many lines. The limit in Kermit 95 is 4K. If you have >a macro definition that is longer than 4K, you'll need to break it up into >"submacros". The same applies to FOR and WHILE loops, XIF-ELSE >constructions, and SWITCH statements. > >- Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Dec 20 20:06:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12244 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA00517 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:06:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!newsfeed.usit.net!newsfeed.telalink.net!usenet From: nospam@nospam.net (Alan P. Kennedy, Sr) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Unable to apply PATCHES for ckermit Date: 20 Dec 1997 19:01:48 -0600 Organization: Infinet Lines: 66 Sender: apkenned@spam.net Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dial1-dyn4-9.bna.telalink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8173 I cannot apply patch-21 and patch-26 Below is the error for patch-21 for ckermit. Hmm... Looks like a new-style context diff to me... The text leading up to this was: -------------------------- |X-Patch-Number: 0021 |Date: Sun Mar 23 19:25:18 1997 |From: Frank da Cruz |Subject: Problems with long function arguments | |The 1023-byte limit on function arguments is overly restrictive on platforms |where memory is not tight. Patch: | |*** /w/pub/ftp/kermit/f/ckuusr.h Sun Nov 24 19:20:52 1996 |--- ckuusr.h Sun Mar 23 19:48:59 1997 -------------------------- Patching file ckuusr.h using Plan A... patch: pch.c:764: another_hunk: Assertion `fillsrc==p_end+1 || fillsrc==repl_beginning' failed. ******************* end of error ************************ Looks like a problem with patch to me. However, would like to check to see if anyone else has this problem. ********************************************************* Below is the error for patch-26 for ckermit. Hmm... Looks like a new-style context diff to me... The text leading up to this was: -------------------------- |X-Patch-Number: 0026 |Date: Tue Apr 1 18:02:15 1997 |From: Frank da Cruz |Subject: Incorrect checks for macro/command-file nesting depth | |*** /w/pub/ftp/kermit/f/ckuusr.c Tue Feb 18 09:31:40 1997 |--- ckuusr.c Tue Apr 1 18:00:56 1997 -------------------------- Patching file ckuusr.c using Plan A... Hunk #1 succeeded at 3405. Hmm... The next patch looks like a new-style context diff to me... The text leading up to this was: -------------------------- Patching file ckuus5.c using Plan A... Hunk #1 failed at 2526. 1 out of 1 hunks failed--saving rejects to ckuus5.c.rej Hmm... Ignoring the trailing garbage. done ******************* end of error ************************ Okay both patches were applied to clean cku192.tar.gz distributions with no other patches. I attempted with other patches and got the exact same errors. The systems tried on are redhat 4.2 and redhat 5.0, and I got the exact same errors. I guess the question is will these two patches work with Linux? patch-21 and patch-26 are not that critical for what I do but I was wondering if it is possible to apply these patches to a linux system. I did look in my ckermit book version 6, and no help there on this matter. Thanks for any help, Alan From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Dec 20 20:11:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12824 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA00937 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 20:11:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unable to apply PATCHES for ckermit Date: 21 Dec 1997 01:11:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <67hqbe$2jh$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8174 In article , Alan P. Kennedy, Sr wrote: : I cannot apply patch-21 and patch-26 : When the automated tools fail, do it by hand. The PATCH file was not designed to be fed to a patching program -- you really should do it by hand so you can read about the changes you are making. : The systems tried on are redhat 4.2 and redhat 5.0... : There is already a Red Hat RPM install package for C-Kermit 6.0 that has all the patches applied: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html All the fixes that are patched in the patch file will be in C-Kermit 6.1. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Dec 21 19:35:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15464 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA08800 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Dec 1997 19:35:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed1.tiac.net!news-master.tiac.net!news@tiac.net From: Nico Garcia Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.misc Subject: Re: Modems, Kermit & SUN Date: 21 Dec 1997 19:33:21 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <34996054.0@news.ptes.com> <01bd0d1b$da286380$9a8af3cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell1.tiac.net X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8177 comp.sys.sun.admin:109516 comp.sys.sun.apps:19157 comp.sys.sun.hardware:60731 comp.sys.sun.misc:38303 "Tony Harris" writes: > Hey, where did you get the cable to convert the "mini" serial port (as I > call it) to a RS232 port? > > -Tony SunExpress (www.sunexpress.com) carries them. -- Nico Garcia raoul@tiac.net From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 22 09:05:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04694 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04839 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:05:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunetukout!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!logica.co.uk!usenet From: "Nobody" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CR lost in file transfer Date: 22 Dec 1997 10:48:07 GMT Organization: Logica UK Limited Lines: 19 Message-ID: <01bd0ec7$15a8b2a0$e918ea9e@UKP02663.Logica.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.234.24.233 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8179 I am using Kermit for VOS to transfer files between a CISC and a Continuum. When I send a certain file over, the carriage return/ new line is transferred but when I send a different file over the carriage return / new line is lost. The carraige return problem is consistent - if I transfer the same file twice then the result is always the same. I have set file type text set parity space set flow-control xon/xoff What can I do to always get the file over correctly ? Thanks Pete McClure From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 22 09:49:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11193 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:49:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA07126 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 09:49:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CR lost in file transfer Date: 22 Dec 1997 14:49:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <67lule$n9u$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd0ec7$15a8b2a0$e918ea9e@UKP02663.Logica.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8180 In article <01bd0ec7$15a8b2a0$e918ea9e@UKP02663.Logica.co.uk>, Nobody wrote: : I am using Kermit for VOS to transfer files between a CISC and a Continuum. : : When I send a certain file over, the carriage return/ new line is : transferred but when I send a different file over the carriage return / new : line is lost. : : The carraige return problem is consistent - if I transfer the same file : twice then the result is always the same. : : I have : : set file type text : set parity space : set flow-control xon/xoff : : What can I do to always get the file over correctly ? : When transferring files from VOS to VOS, you should always be able to use SET FILETYPE BINARY. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 22 12:59:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20847 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA16792 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 12:59:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Roche Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Equivalence to FTP 'hash' command Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:02:12 -0500 Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 6 Message-ID: <349EAB24.58F8@monmouth.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rb-tc-ppp17.monmouth.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8181 Using Kermit 3.0 on DOS 6.2, is there a way to indicate file transfer activity similar to the FTP hash command? How can I indicate that something is actually occuring while a large file is transferred over the course of several files? Steve Roche From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 22 13:03:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21895 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17041 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 13:03:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Equivalence to FTP 'hash' command Date: 22 Dec 1997 18:03:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <67ma22$sm9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <349EAB24.58F8@monmouth.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8182 In article <349EAB24.58F8@monmouth.com>, Steve Roche wrote: : Using Kermit 3.0 on DOS 6.2, is there a way to indicate file transfer : activity similar to the FTP hash command? How can I indicate that : something is actually occuring while a large file is transferred over : the course of several files? : MS-DOS Kermit 3.0 is about five years old; you should be using the current version, 3.15: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html Unless you tell it otherwise, it puts up a file-transfer display that has a percent-done thermometer. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 22 18:17:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22703 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03322 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:17:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!usenet From: dlane@contactpt.com (David Lane) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CR lost in file transfer Date: 22 Dec 1997 18:10:53 -0500 Organization: Contact Point Technologies Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <01bd0ec7$15a8b2a0$e918ea9e@UKP02663.Logica.co.uk> <67lule$n9u$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.233.46.4 In-reply-to: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 22 Dec 1997 14:49:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8184 In article <67lule$n9u$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <01bd0ec7$15a8b2a0$e918ea9e@UKP02663.Logica.co.uk>, > Nobody wrote: > : [description of file transfer losing end of line marks. > : > When transferring files from VOS to VOS, you should always be able to use > SET FILETYPE BINARY. Sadly, while you SHOULD be able to do this, you can't do it reliably. If it is in fact a text type file (VOS organisation sequential, with no "unusual" control characters) then you should transfer it as Kermit file type TEXT. If the file organisation is stream, then use Kermit file type BINARY. On output CKermit will write files transfered as BINARY using organisation stream, so it will be reliable at that level. If, on the other hand, the source file is of some other organisation (say sequential or fixed) then the end of record information is lost in BINARY mode. If you have trouble with textual files, create a stream file, copy your file to it, and transfer the stream file in BINARY mode. > - Frank This is something I'm trying to improve in the next release. David. -- David Lane dlane@contactpt.com Senior Software Engineer http://dlane.contactpt.com Contact Point Technologies http://www.contactpt.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 22 18:41:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28275 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:41:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA04540 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 18:41:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Equivalence to FTP 'hash' command Message-ID: Date: 22 Dec 97 13:46:03 MDT References: <349EAB24.58F8@monmouth.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8185 In article <349EAB24.58F8@monmouth.com>, Steve Roche writes: > Using Kermit 3.0 on DOS 6.2, is there a way to indicate file transfer > activity similar to the FTP hash command? How can I indicate that > something is actually occuring while a large file is transferred over > the course of several files? > > Steve Roche ------- MS-DOS Kermit 3.0? I think we will all agree that is a very old release (Jan 1990). May I recommend upgrading to the current release of v3.15, available from kermit.columbia.edu. It has a fancy file transfer screen to entertain and amuse, and a *great deal* more. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 23 12:24:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13539 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25508 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:24:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!insnet.net!backpost.satin.net!news.IT.net!indyweb.finmeccanica.it!sommariva@ansaldo.it From: consulenti Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 5A and Kermit for RSX11M 2.25 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:10:44 +0100 Organization: Finmeccanica Message-ID: <349F9C34.41C6@gess12.atr.ansaldo.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: stargate.ansaldo.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Lines: 91 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8186 Could anybody help me with this problem? I have to transfer files from a PDP11 with RSX11M to a workstation UNIX (OSF3.2). On PDP11 I have kermit version 2.25 and on UNIX I have kermit version 5A. The two machines are linked by a terminal server. Now I show you the sequence of operations I've done to do the work: SSMI05SC2 /usr/sisct >kermit C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for DEC OSF/1 AXP Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. C-Kermit>set ho 172.17.36.210:2600 Trying 172.17.36.210... C-Kermit>c Connecting to host 172.17.36.210:2600. The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. >chd 40 1 >dir skx*.* Directory WI0:[40,1] 23-DEC-97 11:50 SKXSOH.CSI;2 4. 07-OCT-94 15:57 SKXSOH.MAC;59 55. 19-JUN-97 15:26 SKXSOH.CNF;21 5. 19-JUN-97 15:26 SKXSOH.SIC;1 50. 29-MAY-96 09:12 SKXSOH.JOU;1 1. 13-MAY-96 15:47 SKXSOH.CMD;23 4. 29-MAY-96 16:28 SKXSOH.LTA;59 17. 19-JUN-97 15:27 SKXSOH.LST;69 117. 19-JUN-97 15:28 Total of 253./257. blocks in 8. files >ker Kermit-11 T2.25 Kermit-11>server Kermit Server running on PDP-11 host. Please type your escape sequence to return to your local machine. Shut down the server by typing the Kermit BYE command on your local machine. (Back at ssmi05sc2) C-Kermit>set file type text C-Kermit>get Remote file specification: wi0:[40,1]skxsoh.mac Local name to store it under: ./skxsoh.mac IRSF X to cancel file, CR to resend current packet Z to cancel group, A for status report E to send Error packet, Ctrl-C to quit immediately: AA Refused: type A Refused: name A Refused: name Receiving: SKXSOH.MAC => ./skxsoh.mac Size: 28672, Type: text, transparent ZB C-Kermit> I'd like to know if I did any mistake or if the two versions are not compatible. Best Regards Merry Xmas Happy New Year roberto From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 23 14:14:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29022 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01111 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:14:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 5A and Kermit for RSX11M 2.25 Date: 23 Dec 1997 19:14:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-ID: <67p2j6$d98$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <349F9C34.41C6@gess12.atr.ansaldo.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8187 In article <349F9C34.41C6@gess12.atr.ansaldo.it>, consulenti wrote: : I have to transfer files from a PDP11 with RSX11M to a workstation UNIX : (OSF3.2). On PDP11 I have kermit version 2.25... : This one would indeed interest computer archaeologists. It dates from January, 1985. The most recent release for RSX is T3.60, from March 1989 (the RSX version has not seen any development since then, but the RT-11 and RSTS/E versions have). You find all the current information about PDP-11 Kermit at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pdp11.html : ... and on UNIX I have kermit version 5A. : The current version is 6.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html : The two machines are linked by a terminal server. : Now I show you the sequence of operations I've done to do the work: : : C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for DEC OSF/1 AXP : C-Kermit>set ho 172.17.36.210:2600 : C-Kermit>c : ... : >ker : Kermit-11 T2.25 : Kermit-11>server : ... : (Back at ssmi05sc2) : C-Kermit>get : Remote file specification: wi0:[40,1]skxsoh.mac : Local name to store it under: ./skxsoh.mac : Refused: type : Refused: name : ... : : I'd like to know if I did any mistake or if the two versions are not : compatible. : There is a bug in PDP-11 Kermits prior to (I think) T3.62 (which is, unfortunately, not available for RSX) regarding attribute packets. Tell Kermit-11 to: set attributes off and it should work. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 29 20:53:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA08974 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21981 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:53:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!wrdiss1.robins.af.mil!wpdiss1.wpafb.af.mil!oodiss1.hill.af.mil!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: laptop and kermit Message-ID: Date: 29 Dec 97 14:12:00 MDT References: <34a7e7eb.13508254@204.128.247.5> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 49 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8189 In article <34a7e7eb.13508254@204.128.247.5>, jcanar@hsmsun.tob.rpslmc.edu (jeff canar m.a.) writes: > I've seen this problem on two different laptops and can't figure out > what I'm doing wrong: > > laptop 1 > Texas Instruments 486 with internal modem > > laptop 2 > AST 486 with pcmcia modem > > Using mskermit 3.14. Both modems are using com2. > > When I try to use kermit on either, It hangs the machine, freezing > eveything, till I do a hard reboot. > > Not changing anything, I restart the machine, go into windows, and try > the modems using windows terminal. Everything works fine. So I know > the modems are o.k. and the interface between the modems and laptops > is also fine. > > Check the comm port and other communication settings to make sure I > know how to configure kermit.. > > Exit windows. > > Check the kermit initialization files, everything matches windows > terminal settings. Start kermit and everything works fine. > > Now bear in mind the only thing I've essentially done is started > windows, used the modem in windows, and then exited windows. I > haven't changed anything else. All of sudden kermit works without a > hitch. Start the laptop cold and try to run kermit and both machines > hang. > > I have the "Using Kermit" book, so a reference to the book is fine. > > Thanks in advance, > jeff ---------- We can't help much. Laptop modems are wierd in the extreme, and yours seem to be no exception. Goodness knows what the modem and its likely drivers (say card services) want in the way of initialization information. I suspect modem/pcmcia driver troubles, if asked for an uninformed opinion. Also be aware of "Windows modems" which are the crippled hardware items dependent upon Windows software to make them run properly; we provide no support for such items, for obvious reasons. Finally, check the system Bios and other setup material because the serial ports may not be operational unless treated via special steps (taken by drivers loaded within Windows). Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 29 21:09:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA10407 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:09:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA22767 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:09:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.241.0.194!news.wwa.com!not-for-mail From: JimJ Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: laptop and kermit Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 20:01:42 -0600 Organization: None Lines: 50 Message-ID: <34A85606.40B5@wwa.com> References: <34a7e7eb.13508254@204.128.247.5> Reply-To: jjacobus@wwa.com NNTP-Posting-Host: poolf1-042.wwa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; U) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8190 jeff canar m.a. wrote: > > I've seen this problem on two different laptops and can't figure out > what I'm doing wrong: > > laptop 1 > Texas Instruments 486 with internal modem > > laptop 2 > AST 486 with pcmcia modem > > Using mskermit 3.14. Both modems are using com2. > > When I try to use kermit on either, It hangs the machine, freezing > eveything, till I do a hard reboot. > > Not changing anything, I restart the machine, go into windows, and try > the modems using windows terminal. Everything works fine. So I know > the modems are o.k. and the interface between the modems and laptops > is also fine. > > Check the comm port and other communication settings to make sure I > know how to configure kermit.. > > Exit windows. > > Check the kermit initialization files, everything matches windows > terminal settings. Start kermit and everything works fine. > > Now bear in mind the only thing I've essentially done is started > windows, used the modem in windows, and then exited windows. I > haven't changed anything else. All of sudden kermit works without a > hitch. Start the laptop cold and try to run kermit and both machines > hang. > > I have the "Using Kermit" book, so a reference to the book is fine. > > Thanks in advance, > jeff Which version of windows are you running? I regularly use K95 on Win95 OSR2. I've got a Micron VLX (Pentium) with a Motorola Montana modem. Works well for me on a regular basis. Laptop (PCMCIA) modems have always been problematic, but ususally Kermit can get at the hardware. It appears that kermit works with your modem outside of Windows. From your scenario above, I'd suspect Windows is loading a driver and initializing your modem. Have you been able to get kermit running without loading windows? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 29 21:32:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13965 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:32:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA23884 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:32:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!tezcat!not-for-mail From: jcanar@hsmsun.tob.rpslmc.edu (jeff canar m.a.) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: laptop and kermit Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 18:19:05 GMT Organization: dept. of health systems management Lines: 37 Message-ID: <34a7e7eb.13508254@204.128.247.5> Reply-To: jcanar@hsmsun.tob.rpslmc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: watson.tob.rpslmc.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8191 I've seen this problem on two different laptops and can't figure out what I'm doing wrong: laptop 1 Texas Instruments 486 with internal modem laptop 2 AST 486 with pcmcia modem Using mskermit 3.14. Both modems are using com2. When I try to use kermit on either, It hangs the machine, freezing eveything, till I do a hard reboot. Not changing anything, I restart the machine, go into windows, and try the modems using windows terminal. Everything works fine. So I know the modems are o.k. and the interface between the modems and laptops is also fine. Check the comm port and other communication settings to make sure I know how to configure kermit.. Exit windows. Check the kermit initialization files, everything matches windows terminal settings. Start kermit and everything works fine. Now bear in mind the only thing I've essentially done is started windows, used the modem in windows, and then exited windows. I haven't changed anything else. All of sudden kermit works without a hitch. Start the laptop cold and try to run kermit and both machines hang. I have the "Using Kermit" book, so a reference to the book is fine. Thanks in advance, jeff From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 29 21:40:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA14976 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA24403 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Dec 1997 21:40:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!news1.hk.linkage.net!news.hk.linkage.net!vega.hkstar.com!hkstar2!news@hkstar.com From: "hh" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problem found after using a 3COM 100MbTX hubs Date: 30 Dec 1997 02:04:21 GMT Organization: Hong Kong Star Internet Ltd. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <01bd14c7$77882360$04000050@mis-1> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-50-74.dialup.hkstar.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8192 We using kermit to connect our unix host for a lot of years. We found that it is quite good for us by using kermit to be a terminal emulator. We have a HP817S unix host, a Novell server and a NT server, and using ethernet to connect all the workstation and servers. Each workstation are using ODI driver to connect all the servers. We have on problems on this configuration. We now want to change to a fast ethernet configuration which is the combination of 3com 3C905TX network card and 3com OfficeConnect 3c16720 hubs. After set up all the connection, we can access our novell server and the NT server. However we can't connect to the unix host through kermit 3.4 . A message say that "can't arp the address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx, host may be shutdown or disconnected". Then, we try to use Novell Lan Work Place to connect the host and found that it works. So, we sure that our tcp/ip setup is correct. Is there any problems in the new network card or hubs? If yes, any pacth or driver can fix this? If not, pls suggest method to fix this problem? Best Regards, From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 30 10:06:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12074 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:06:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29103 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 10:06:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: laptop and kermit Date: 30 Dec 1997 15:06:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-ID: <68b2ko$6ha$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34a7e7eb.13508254@204.128.247.5> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8193 In article <34a7e7eb.13508254@204.128.247.5>, jeff canar m.a. wrote: : I've seen this problem on two different laptops and can't figure out : what I'm doing wrong: : : laptop 1 : Texas Instruments 486 with internal modem : : laptop 2 : AST 486 with pcmcia modem : : Using mskermit 3.14. Both modems are using com2. : : When I try to use kermit on either, It hangs the machine, freezing : eveything, till I do a hard reboot. : : Not changing anything, I restart the machine, go into windows, and try : the modems using windows terminal. Everything works fine. So I know : the modems are o.k. and the interface between the modems and laptops : is also fine. : : Check the comm port and other communication settings to make sure I : know how to configure kermit.. : : Exit windows. : : Check the kermit initialization files, everything matches windows : terminal settings. Start kermit and everything works fine. : : Now bear in mind the only thing I've essentially done is started : windows, used the modem in windows, and then exited windows. I : haven't changed anything else. All of sudden kermit works without a : hitch. Start the laptop cold and try to run kermit and both machines : hang. : Recommendations: . If you are using Windows 95 on your laptops, you can use these modems with Kermit 95 1.1.13 or later, since it is a native 32-bit Windows application that knows how to access modems through the Windows Telephony interface: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html . If you are using Windows 3.x, then your workaround (initialize the modems with Windows Terminal before trying to use them with DOS programs like MS-DOS Kermit) might be the best one. . It's also possible that your laptops suffer from COM-port number / address / IRQ confusion, which is cleared up by the Windows drivers stuffing information into the BIOS COM area where MS-DOS Kermit can find it. In that case, you might be able to use MS-DOS Kermit's SET COMx
command to do the same thing; this is documented in the book, and discussed in detail in the KERMIT.BWR file, Section 6. The topics of software-assisted and Windows-only modems is discussed at some length in the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt items 20-22. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 30 19:10:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24915 for ; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA27469 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:10:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.rediris.es!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!wrdiss1.robins.af.mil!wpdiss1.wpafb.af.mil!oodiss1.hill.af.mil!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problem found after using a 3COM 100MbTX hubs Message-ID: <5IpcWktbTV$U@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Dec 97 10:04:47 MDT References: <01bd14c7$77882360$04000050@mis-1> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8194 In article <01bd14c7$77882360$04000050@mis-1>, "hh" writes: > We using kermit to connect our unix host for a lot of years. We found that > it is quite good for us by using kermit to be a terminal emulator. We > have a HP817S unix host, a Novell server and a NT server, and using > ethernet to connect all the workstation and servers. Each workstation are > using ODI driver to connect all the servers. We have on problems on this > configuration. > > We now want to change to a fast ethernet configuration which is the > combination of 3com 3C905TX network card and 3com OfficeConnect 3c16720 > hubs. > After set up all the connection, we can access our novell server and the > NT server. > However we can't connect to the unix host through kermit 3.4 . A message > say that "can't arp the address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx, host may be shutdown or > disconnected". > Then, we try to use Novell Lan Work Place to connect the host and found > that it works. So, we sure that our tcp/ip setup is correct. That leaves the client setup, doesn't it. And it leaves IP address conflicts across the net. Please ensure your NET.CFG material is ok first, a likely problem area. Then ensure ARP tables have not memorized the old Ethernet MAC address, and that any DHCP/Bootp table has the correct IP material for the client. > Is there any problems in the new network card or hubs? > If yes, any pacth or driver can fix this? > If not, pls suggest method to fix this problem? Lan adapters and hubs et al are not our area of responsibility. Joe D. > > Best Regards, From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 31 16:26:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15385 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18457 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:26:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Don O'Neil" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where can I get ZMODEM for SUN? Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:26:42 -0800 Lines: 6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 138.112.237.121 Message-ID: <34aab841.0@news.ptes.com> Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.ptes.com!138.112.237.121 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8195 Where can I get sz and rz the ZMODEM protocol for Solaris 2.5.1?? Sun didn't know :P Thanks! From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 1 10:39:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05027 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 10:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11609 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 10:39:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Exquota and Kermit Date: 1 Jan 1998 15:39:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <68gdc8$hss$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34ab360e.6530730@news.dnai.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:167992 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8196 In article <34ab360e.6530730@news.dnai.com>, Janet Novak wrote: : I just tried setting up a Kermit system to transfer files between a : DEC VAX system and a Windows NT system. : ( I need to only send files from the VAX to the NT station.) : It is always helpful to mention the program name and version number when reporting problems or requesting help. I assume you are talking about C-Kermit 5A(190) or earlier. It is also helpful to mention the VMS platform and version, as well as the communication method. : I can send small text file with no problem, but if I send and large : text files, I get the message : "ttol:SYS$QIOW:%SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, exceeded quota" . : This message refers to your BYTLM quota (not your disk quota). In modern versions of VMS, this quota is 8192 by default; in earlier versions it was much smaller. It might also refer to your process page quota. : I do have the system administrator password and can run any/all the : system utilities. : You can fix either the symptom or the problem itself. To fix the symptom, raise your BYTLM, PGFLQUO, and/or BIOLM quota(e). To fix the problem, install the current version of C-Kermit, which is 6.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html By the way, the recommended Kermit software for Windows NT (and 95) is Kermit 95; the current version is 1.1.15: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 2 08:30:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25287 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10557 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 08:30:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in2.uu.net!ozemail!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!lucy.cc.swin.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au!not-for-mail From: rwi@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au (Ross Irvine) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSDOS Kermit 3.15 bug. Date: 2 Jan 1998 05:11:03 GMT Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 56 Message-ID: <68hst7$r0e$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au NNTP-Posting-User: rwi X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8198 Hi All, I think I have a bug in MSDOS Kermit 3.15 Patch Level 1 (The patch level one is the non working ON_EXIT macro I reported). This was also sent to kermit-bugs many weeks ago but I haven't heard anything... It seems that using a switch statement anywhere in a script will clear the value of any paramaters you have passed to that script. Well the first one anyway (\%1).,. Eg. define txrx take txrx.ksc txrx 5 echo Calling \%1 output atd55555\13 minput 30 connect busy .... switch .. .. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 2 10:25:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10392 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:25:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA16462 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:25:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit 3.15 bug. Date: 2 Jan 1998 15:25:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 79 Message-ID: <68j0sn$hdj$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <68hst7$r0e$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8199 In article <68hst7$r0e$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>, Ross Irvine wrote: : I think I have a bug in MSDOS Kermit 3.15 Patch Level 1 (The patch level : one is the non working ON_EXIT macro I reported). This was also sent to : kermit-bugs many weeks ago but I haven't heard anything... : It's in the queue. : It seems that using a switch statement anywhere in a script will clear : the value of any paramaters you have passed to that script. Well the : first one anyway (\%1).,. : ... : As soon as the switch statement has been reached the value of \%1 goes. : Remove the switch statement from my script allows \%1 to live on until : the end of the script (as it should). : : Has anyone notice that the msdos version of kermit is becomming VERY : unstable? : Version 3.15 was in Beta test for over a year; each Beta release was announced on our newsgroup and our website. Evidently most people waited until after it was released to start testing it. : Something that works on our copy of Kermit 95 (btw when will the gui be : released for this?)... : >From your K95 FAQ.TXT file: Q: When will Kermit 95 become a full GUI application? A: A full-GUI release with no console windows for Windows 95 and NT is expected sometime in 1998. Registered users of Kermit 95 1.1.x will receive it at no additional cost. Watch the Kermit 95 web page and the newsgroup, comp.protocols.kermit.misc, and the Windows 95 and NT and OS/2 newsgroups for announcements. It is not yet determined whether there will be a full-GUI (Presentation Manager) version for OS/2. In other words, we're still working on it. It is taking a long time. And remember that, for the most part, it will be exactly what you have now, but with a different appearance, and a far more labor-intensive mode of operation :-) : ... without a problem will send msdos kermit to it's death : with all sorts of errors "exausted workspace" "text exceeded available : buffer capicty) and all of suddent shelling to do for no reason. : Problems with MS-DOS Kermit or other Kermit software should be reported via email to kermit-support@columbia.edu (as you have done).. We do our best to supply workarounds and fix the underlying problems. Bear in mind that Kermit 95 operates in a virtual memory environment, generally on PCs that have 16, 32, 64 or more MB of main memory. The amount of functionality, the sizes of buffers, etc, are practically without limit. MS-DOS Kermit tries to provide most of the same functionality in a tiny fraction of the space, which adds an extra level of complexity. Remember, MS-DOS Kermit must not only fit in 640K, but also must leave room for other applications in the same 640K. Several bugs have surfaced in MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 since it was released; the one you have noticed about "memory exhausted" is not patchable. It can be worked around, however, by breaking long macros, SWITCH, XIF, WHILE, and FOR statemants into smaller pieces. The next release, 3.16, will recover more gracefully from too-long command sequences, but the limits will still be there. The problem with SWITCH destroying macro arguments will be fixed too. In the meantime, work around it by copying the macro argument to another variable upon entry to the macro. Although we have not advertised it publicly yet, there is a 3.16 Alpha-test version in: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk316.zip It should fix most or all of the bugs you notice. If you find any problems in it, report them in the usual way. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 2 13:19:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10003 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA25432 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:19:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: poole22@aol.com (Poole22) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Trying to speed up file transfer Date: 2 Jan 1998 18:13:50 GMT Lines: 144 Message-ID: <19980102181301.NAA19057@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8200 Find below the kermit script I'm using and the statistics/status output of the kermit session. I am negotiating with the remote host kermit administrators to run a CAUTIOUS kermit command rather than leave their kermit settings as default. They supply many financial institutions with data but say kermit is slow and do not encourage its use (I am debating this point with them!). When receiving data I though I could set the receive packet size on the local host without any changes on the remote host. This example below didn't seem to work since it sent the same number of packets (520) and actually took longer. 520*1000 bytes is more than 10 times the file size of 40139 bytes. KERMIT SCRIPT define error { echo ERROR: \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9 statistics ; output kermit transmission statistics quit 1 } ;------------------------------------------------------ ; KERMIT GENERAL SETUP ;------------------------------------------------------ set modem type usrobotics ; modem type, e.g. US ROBOTICS set speed 38400 ; modem speed, e.g. 9600 bits per sec set line /dev/tty1 ; serial line device name set dial method tone ; TONE phone (as opposed to PULSE) set parity none ; no parity, 8th bit is ignored set delay 30 ; time allowed to switch from server/client set dial timeout 30 ; time allowed for modem connection set handshake none ; no handshaking (xon causes failure) set flow auto ; Automatic choice of flow control set file type text ; all files transferred are of type TEXT set exit warning off ; stop requirment for stdin when exiting set receive packet 1000 ; pack size from receviced files only set window 4 ; Not currently set at the ISMA end. ;------------------------------------------------------ ; DIAL phone number ;------------------------------------------------------ dial XXXXXXXXXXX if fail error (001) DIAL FAILED ;------------------------------------------------------ ; LOGIN: enter username and password to VMS ;------------------------------------------------------ input 10 Username: ; wait upto 10 seconds for VMS Username prompt if fail error (002) No username prompt output XXXXXXXX\13 input 10 Password: ; wait upto 10 seconds for VMS Password prompt if fail error (003) No password prompt output XXXXXXXX\13 ;------------------------------------------------------ ; TRANSFER FILE TO/FROM (UNIX) FROM/TO (VMS) ;------------------------------------------------------ show protocol ; for information only input 10 RUFAS> if fail error (006) No RUFAS prompt output RECEIVE PRITST\13 ; remote VMS/RUFAS command receive ./kisma.48317.dat ; local Unix kermit command if fail error (007) FILE TRANSFER FAILURE ;------------------------------------------------------ ; TIDYUP and quit ;------------------------------------------------------ input 10 RUFAS> ; wait 10 seconds for RUFAS prompt if fail echo WARNING (008) No RUFAS prompt else output EXIT\13 echo KERMIT SCRIPT COMPLETED OK statistics ; SUCCESS - output kermit transmission statistics quit ; quit out of kermit session KERMIT CONNECTION OUTPUT kermit> ISMA02 - Vax 4000-400 kermit> kermit> Username: RMT124 kermit> Password: >>RUFAS> kermit> A>201, RECEIVE PRITST COMPLETED kermit> RUFAS>Executing /home/gpo/.kermrc for UNIX... kermit> Dial directory is /home/gpo/.kdd kermit> Executing /home/gpo/.mykermrc... kermit> kermit> Lookup: skipped kermit> kermit> Protocol: Kermit kermit> kermit> Protocol Parameters: Send Receive kermit> Timeout (used= 8): 8 15 Server Timeout: 0 kermit> Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 3 kermit> Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 30 kermit> Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 kermit> Packet End: 13 13 kermit> Packet Length: 90 1000 kermit> Maximum Length: 9024 9024 Window Size: 4 set, 0 used kermit> Buffer Size: 9065 9065 Locking-Shift: enabled, not used kermit> kermit> Packet timeouts: dynamic 1:0 kermit> Auto-upload command (binary): kermit -ir kermit> Auto-upload command (text): kermit -r kermit> Transfer character-set: transparent kermit> Transfer mode: automatic kermit> Transfer slow-start: on kermit> Attributes: on kermit> kermit> Cancellation: on 3 3 kermit> Send / Receive Pause: 0 (msec) kermit> kermit> KERMIT SCRIPT COMPLETED OK kermit> kermit> Most recent transaction -- kermit> files transferred : 1 kermit> files not transferred : 0 kermit> characters last file : 40139 kermit> total file characters : 40139 kermit> communication line in : 42300 kermit> communication line out : 4175 kermit> packets sent : 520 kermit> packets received : 520 kermit> damaged packets rec'd : 0 kermit> timeouts : 0 kermit> retransmissions : 0 kermit> parity : none kermit> control characters : 902 prefixed, 0 unprefixed kermit> 8th bit prefixing : no kermit> locking shifts : no kermit> window slots used : 1 of 4 kermit> packet length : 80 (send), 1000 (receive) kermit> compression : yes [~] (5212) kermit> block check type used : 3 kermit> elapsed time : 87 sec kermit> transmission rate : 38400 bps kermit> effective data rate : 461 cps From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 2 14:24:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20806 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:24:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA28806 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:24:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Trying to speed up file transfer Date: 2 Jan 1998 19:24:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 151 Message-ID: <68jeta$nmp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <19980102181301.NAA19057@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8201 In article <19980102181301.NAA19057@ladder02.news.aol.com>, Poole22 wrote: : Find below the kermit script I'm using and the statistics/status output of : the kermit session. I am negotiating with the remote host kermit : administrators to run a CAUTIOUS kermit command rather than leave their : kermit settings as default. They supply many financial institutions with : data but say kermit is slow and do not encourage its use (I am debating this : point with them!). : Thank you. Most people, quite understandably, do not understand the tradeoff between speed and robustness, and expect file transfers to be both blindingly fast and totally robust out of the box, which, unfortunately, does not often jibe with conditions in the real world. : When receiving data I though I could set the receive : packet size on the local host without any changes on the remote host. This : example below didn't seem to work since it sent the same number of packets : (520) and actually took longer. 520*1000 bytes is more than 10 times the : file size of 40139 bytes. : : KERMIT SCRIPT : ... : ;------------------------------------------------------ : ; KERMIT GENERAL SETUP : ;------------------------------------------------------ : set modem type usrobotics ; modem type, e.g. US ROBOTICS : I infer from this that you are using C-Kermit 6.0 on the local end. Therefore you should also be getting RTS/CTS (hardware) flow control automatically by virtue of the "set modem type" command. : set speed 38400 ; modem speed, e.g. 9600 bits per sec : set line /dev/tty1 ; serial line device name : set dial method tone ; TONE phone (as opposed to PULSE) : set parity none ; no parity, 8th bit is ignored : set delay 30 ; time allowed to switch from server/client : That will make anybody think Kermit is slow! But since this script is for the local Kermit (the one making the call), you don't need this command anyway, since it only affects the remote one (on the computer you are calling). : set dial timeout 30 ; time allowed for modem connection : set handshake none ; no handshaking (xon causes failure) : set flow auto ; Automatic choice of flow control : This command only affects the *next* set "set line" or "set host" command. But anyway, it's the default, so no harm done. : set file type text ; all files transferred are of type TEXT : set exit warning off ; stop requirment for stdin when exiting : If you are getting "Connection still open" warnings on exit, it usually indicates indicates improper setup or connection of the modem. : set receive packet 1000 ; pack size from receviced files only : set window 4 ; Not currently set at the ISMA end. : Did you know that if the remote Kermit is in server mode, you can set its parameters from the client: remote set receive packet-length 1000 remote set window 4 Of course, this depends on which Kermit program and version they are running on their end. Nothing too ancient, I hope. : (...dial & login script omitted...) : show protocol ; for information only : input 10 RUFAS> : if fail error (006) No RUFAS prompt : I wonder what RUFAS is. : output RECEIVE PRITST\13 ; remote VMS/RUFAS command : receive ./kisma.48317.dat ; local Unix kermit command : If RUFAS supports server mode, that would be a more straightforward way of using it. Put it in server mode, and then send files to it, get files from it, send it commands, etc. By the way, do you *have* to tell it the filename? I ask because this might give a clue as to its (RUFAS's) identity. : KERMIT CONNECTION OUTPUT : : kermit> ISMA02 - Vax 4000-400 : kermit> : kermit> Username: RMT124 : kermit> Password: >>RUFAS> : Aha, so RUFAS is someting on VMS... So is it C-Kermit? (Which version?) Or is it Kermit-32, which hasn't been supported since 10 years ago? : kermit> A>201, RECEIVE PRITST COMPLETED : kermit> RUFAS>Executing /home/gpo/.kermrc for UNIX... : kermit> Dial directory is /home/gpo/.kdd : kermit> Executing /home/gpo/.mykermrc... : What are these messages from UNIX C-Kermit? It looks to me as if you have somehow gotten it to run your script *before* it executed your initialization and customization files. Is that what you wanted? The STATISTICS command on the local end says: : : kermit> files transferred : 1 : kermit> packets sent : 520 : kermit> control characters : 902 prefixed, 0 unprefixed : kermit> window slots used : 1 of 4 : kermit> packet length : 80 (send), 1000 (receive) : kermit> compression : yes [~] (5212) : kermit> block check type used : 3 : kermit> elapsed time : 87 sec : kermit> transmission rate : 38400 bps : kermit> effective data rate : 461 cps : Hence your (and the remote host Kermit administrators') complaint that "Kermit is slow". : 520*1000 bytes is more than 10 times the file size of 40139 bytes. : Yes, but as you can see the remote Kermit gave C-Kermit permission for a maximum packet length of 80 bytes and a window size of 1. The file receiver controls the packet length, and the window size must be agreed upon by both parties. The remote Kermit demanded, and got, the bare minimum, and quite predictably, throughput stank. Diagnosis: Either (a) the remote Kermit program lacks any of the "modern" (i.e. circa 1985) performance features of the Kermit protocol, or (b) the remote site administrators are selecting them. Cure: The remote site administrators should install an up-to-date Kermit version and configure it to allow fast transfers, to the extent their host and communications equipment can tolerate them. Kermit can go just as fast, and usually faster, as any other protocol on the same connection, and still have better error recovery characteristics (e.g. sliding windows with selective retransmission). More information: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ The Kermit Project website http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html The Kermit FAQ (see item 4) http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/perf.html File-transfer benchmarks http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html C-Kermit 6.0 for VMS (etc) "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition See the chapter on peformance - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 2 15:59:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07357 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03560 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:59:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with scripting kermit Date: 2 Jan 1998 20:59:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 71 Message-ID: <68jkeu$q6b$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <64j0bn$7s9$1@clem.mscd.edu> <0$k2Rz1fk$EP@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Echoplex Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8202 On November 20th, Clarence Dold (dold@94.usenet.us.com) wrote: : Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : : > output logout\13 : : : : What's likely the problem is the sequence of OUTPUT statments : : blasts their strings at the host with no time delay. It may very well : : I have a problem with a long script session going to a telephone switch... : I am reprogramming information to accomodate area code splits, which is : just such a wonderful use of Unix awk, c-kermit development, and MS-Kermit : or C-Kermit execution (but I digress...) : : I use input statements, I use pause statements, and I had to set output : pacing 500, in order to keep from overrunning the switch, even at 2400 : baud. There is no flow control available on the line. : : My .tak script (actually 14,000 lines long in this case) : set output pacing 500 : output 1370444 \13 : input 20 CHANGE : pause 2 : output \9\9\9\9\9\9 182 \13 : input 20 ACP : pause 2 : output 1370430 \13 : input 20 CHANGE : : If I lower either the output pacing, or reduce the pause to 1, the switch : can't keep up. If I reduce the pause, even with the INPUT in place, the : commands get garbled. If I reduce the output pacing, occasional characters : get dropped. : : I can't remember where I found the description for "output pacing". I : can't find it in the Using C-Kermit manual. : : In Unix, the cu dialer has a feature called "echo check", where each : character is held until the previous character has been echoed back : correctly. Is such a pacing option available in C-Kermit? : As noted in my earlier reply, no. I finally got around to looking into adding it, and it's not as easy as it might seem, given the facts that the OUTPUT command is (a) buffered for efficiency, and thus does block writes rather than single-character ones; (b) might contain \N, \B, or \L escapes for NUL or BREAK, which might or might not be echoed; (c) in Kermit 95 also allows \Kverbs; etc etc. It turns out to be much easier to do this with a little macro than in the C-Kermit code (C-Kermit 6.0 required): define XOUTPUT { local \%c set output pacing 0 while defined \%1 { asg \%c \fsubstr(\%1,1,1) asg \%1 \fsubstr(\%1,2) output \%c input 2 \%c } } Usage: xoutput string-with-no-spaces or: xoutput { string that contains spaces } It sends one character at a time and then waits up to 2 seconds for the character to be echoed back, but continues to the next character as soon as the echo appears, so no time is wasted. You can add an IF FAIL clause after the INPUT in case you want to do something special about failure to detect an echo within the timeout period. Obviously you can also change the 2-second limit, and adjust the script in any other desired way. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 2 19:54:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA18384 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15567 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:54:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.20.110.210!news.slack.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:50:00 -0700 From: dallasii@kincyb.com Message-ID: Subject: K/2 Gotchas Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Lines: 224 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8203 [This is being emailed to post-comp.protocols.kermit.misc@newspost.zippo.com, Rollin White, because I cite him as an information source in it (Thanks R.W..), Glenn Currie because he wanted to keep in touch with what I'm up to.] Now that I've got OS/2 fullscreen prompt access finally (another story), I'm back to getting my scripts from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 running on Kermit/2. I'm presenting this stuff to document it for myself, subject my own thinking and expriences to criticism from others (and maybe learn something in the process), possibly save someone else some grief, and maybe help sharpen the Kermit documentation. Some of this might seem trivial, but could save someone trouble if forwarned. Things encountered: 1) Upgrading from 1.1.1.2 to 1.1.1.5 K/2 was complicated by a habit (probably bad) of reading text files with an editor. This has the bad side effect of the occasional, accidental hitting of a key, or maybe even adding my own notes. The changed file would not get updated with the upgrade patch. After a little floundering around everything was straightened out, going back to original files and repatching. A good personnal habit when installing or patching an upgrade, if you insist on using an editor for file viewing, might be to immediately ATTRIB +r *.TXT *.DOC READ*.* /s then *remembering* to ATTRIB -r ... /s before patching. (Probably better would be use a dedicated file viewing utility :-) ) 2) My command files for exchanging email packages keep records of what happens in a file in RAM disk. At the end of the command file run TYPE MAILTEMP.TMP >> C:\QWK\RECORD.LOG is run to keep a permenant record of transactions. This command ran on MS-DOS 3.14 but was causing problems when I ran the command file on Kermit/2, with 'SYSxxxx File name too long' and such coming from the OS. I finally tracked this down to the need to change the command to run TYPE MAILTEMP.TMP >> C:\\QWK\\RECORD.LOG On MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, the single back slashes were permitted even though the documentation clearly states that a double back slash should be used when a back slash is desired where escaped substitution occurs. 3) When the command file got to the point where the mail package was being generated, the BBS generates a stream of ^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H........... to indicate that things are not dead while the package is prepared. This seemed to spas out the command file when run in Kermit/2, but not MS-DOS Kermit. The problem was eliminated when the input buffer was increased from the default minimum size (256 bytes) to the maximum size (65,536 bytes). I noticed that there was a listing in BUGS.TXT that the "input buffer was too small". I don't think I have anything special about the input buffer for my MK 3.14, so I conclude that either a) the circular buffer works with MK 3.14 and not with K/2 or b) the ^H's effectively erase characters already in the input buffer in MK 3.14 but not with K/2 Maybe it's some setting on my K/2 installation? 4) Another problem was that a script seemed to stop, then fail on 'reinput' of a string that was obviously being recieved. The real problem turned out to be in an earlier 'input' command. The Gotcha! in this case was that besides going between versions of Kermit, there were two modems involved - one external 33.6 USR Sportster and an internal 14.4 Zoom. A shorter 'input' time setting that was just 'nice' because it ran faster in MS-DOS Kermit with the 33.6 became essential in the Kermit/2 environment, probably because everything is running faster and the longer wait threw timings out of synch. Look upstream in the script for problems on 'reinput'. 5) Another problem was brought on when a dialup script ran. Everything went OK until I went to connect mode. Then, as soon as anything was entered from the keyboard, K/2 left connect mode back to command mode, the session froze up, the cursor went to lower left-hand corner and the session seemed to become unkillable. Any effort to stop the session would produce a message at the bottom of the screen, something to the effect of "!!! Recieved Kill Signal!!!", but the session lived on, hogging the COM port, still locked up until reboot. This problem seems to have been caused by starting to key in things too soon after the login script ends - I've found that waiting a few seconds after it ends before connecting, and a few more afterward before doing things in the session seems to avoid the problem. Afterwards, I can type as fast as possible and there doesn't seem to be any problem. Perhaps this is caused by some OS/2 keyboard setting I haven't figured out yet. The problem went unnoticed with scripts that conducted the entire session, login to logout. Some of the docs referenced mysterious lockup problems usually traced to hardware causes. Maybe this experience will help with this. 6) A while back, there was some discussion on comp.protocols.kermit.misc about EXTPROC. I later had some discussion about this with Rollin White, president of So. CA OS/2 User's Group, (SCOUG, www.scoug.com) professional OS/2 programmer, and one of the principal conspirators of the Warpstock convention held in Oct. in Diamond Bar, CA (near L.A.). He described this as an "outstanding issue" with OS/2, and provided a C program that came with MAJORDOMO (as I recall) as one possible solution. What happens is that after the *.CMD file invokes the EXTPROC specified interpreter, the system then only searches the current directory to find the text for the script it was invoked from. Example: EXTPROC D:\K2\K2.EXE echo echo this is it, the successful test of EXTPROC echo quit end This will run when the sessions active directory is the same as the CMD file is located in, but will fail if executed from any other directory. This will work from other directories as well as D:\K2 : EXTPROC D:\K2\K2.EXE D:\K2\K2TESTQ.CMD ; AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA----This file's name ; if there were command line parameters, they'd need to ; handled here ; \&@[3] is typically where passed parameters start ; besides the script file specification. ; echo echo this is it, the successful test of EXTPROC echo quit end Try this to get an idea of what is going on : EXTPROC D:\K2\K2.EXE C:\OS2\SYSTEM\KTEST3.CMD echo hello, world\13 echo \&@[0] \&@[1] \&@[2] \13\10 echo \&@[3] \&@[4] \&@[5] \&@[6] \&@[7] \&@[8] \&@[9] \&@[10] \13\10 exit (I suggest simply: [PROMPT]ktest3 a b c d e f g h i j k l ) (By the way, double back slashes don't seem to correct anything on the EXTPROC statement parameters, and will cause a problem here since substitution of escaped coded isn't being conducted here.) One possible solution/addition might be something along the lines of PERL's '-x' parameter: @ECHO OFF ECHO. ECHO This is from the batch file........... ECHO. PERL -x c:\usr\bin\ptestq.bat REM Because of the '-x' switch, execution of this file will REM not start PERL execution till after the REM #![fully qualified file name for PERL] GOTO REBATCH #!c:\perl\bperl4x\perl-4.036\perl.exe print "This is from the PERL script\n" ; __END__ :REBATCH ECHO. ECHO This is from the batch file, AGAIN!!!........... ECHO. What EXTPROC (versus CALL or ) does is to prevent any attempt for the further interpetation of the CMD file. Something of a non-returning execution for a binary executable file. On any other line then the first, it seems to cause the line to be interpreted as a completely blank line. Any way, everything is running fine now! K/2 is definitly snappier then the DOS version, (I'm sold on 32 bit software) and once a few problems were ironed out the scripts are running fine. This stuff has probably thrashed out a lot of portability issues for myself, for the specific scripts involved. I need to go back and install '3.15 on the DOS side of things, and get back to trying it out under DOSEmu. Regards, Dallas E. Legan II (562) 862 - 4854 ext. '*' legan@acm.org legan@forth.org aw585@lafn.org dallasii@kincyb.com "But I found that the rulers were ordinary men, too, and frequently as bewildered as I was." from "Solution Unsatisfactory" by Robert A. Heinlein I speak only for myself, and assume full responsibility for my statements. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 2 20:34:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25526 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:34:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA17649 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:34:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.idt.net!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!wrdiss1.robins.af.mil!wpdiss1.wpafb.af.mil!oodiss1.hill.af.mil!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit 3.15 bug. Message-ID: <2Ci1w3ZjVvZw@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Jan 98 08:44:49 MDT References: <68hst7$r0e$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 55 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8204 In article <68hst7$r0e$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>, rwi@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au (Ross Irvine) writes: > Hi All, > I think I have a bug in MSDOS Kermit 3.15 Patch Level 1 (The > patch level one is the non working ON_EXIT macro I reported). This was > also sent to kermit-bugs many weeks ago but I haven't heard anything... > > It seems that using a switch statement anywhere in a script will clear the > value of any paramaters you have passed to that script. Well the first > one anyway (\%1).,. > > Eg. > > define txrx take txrx.ksc > > txrx 5 > > > > echo Calling \%1 > output atd55555\13 > minput 30 connect busy .... > switch .. > .. > . > ... > > As soon as the switch statement has been reached the value of \%1 goes. > Remove the switch statement from my script allows \%1 to live on until > the end of the script (as it should). > > Has anyone notice that the msdos version of kermit is becomming VERY > unstable? > > Something that works on our copy of Kermit 95 (btw when will the gui be > released for this?) without a problem will send msdos kermit to it's death > with all sorts of errors "exausted workspace" "text exceeded available > buffer capicty) and all of suddent shelling to do for no reason. On > typing exit (from the dos shell) you return to kermit to see you script > displayed on the screen with no cr/lf's and beeping it's head off. > > Especially anything to do with accessing files kills kermit with ease, > eg the example in the kermit book for calculating the total size of all the > files in a directory (don't have the book in front of me so I can't quote > the page number, it's about 4/5th the way through) sends ms kermit to a > horrible death. > > Still, you have to love the features of kermit :) > It's just seems that the DOS version is getting.... hummm... out of hand? ------- The bug is known and fixed in what will be MSK v3.16. I can't fix it via a field patch. Strategic changes in methods of operation lead to unexpected side effects, particularly in the subtle mechanics of the command parser and workers. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 2 20:50:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA27653 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA18573 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:50:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K/2 Gotchas Date: 3 Jan 1998 01:50:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 95 Message-ID: <68k5ha$4kf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8205 In article , wrote: : ... : 2) My command files for exchanging email packages keep records : of what happens in a file in RAM disk. At the end of the command file : : run TYPE MAILTEMP.TMP >> C:\QWK\RECORD.LOG : : is run to keep a permenant record of transactions. : This command ran on MS-DOS 3.14 but was causing problems when I : ran the command file on Kermit/2, with 'SYSxxxx File name too long' : and such coming from the OS. I finally tracked this down to the need to : change the command to : : run TYPE MAILTEMP.TMP >> C:\\QWK\\RECORD.LOG : : On MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, the single back slashes were permitted even though : the documentation clearly states that a double back slash should be used : when a back slash is desired where escaped substitution occurs. : One of the most aggravating thing about script languages -- all of them, not just Kermit's -- is that certain characters inevitably become overloaded, hence the annoying quoting rules. In the case of Kermit 95 and K/2, we try our best to let you type pathnames with single backslashes or, for that matter, with forward slashes instead of backslashes, but we can only do that when Kermit itself is parsing the filename (even then it's guesswork at best; if you type "c:\%a" is "\%a" a Kermit variable or an actual pathname?). But obviously, Kermit can not parse the RUN command (at least not the part past the word "RUN" -- it's just a text string to Kermit). So backslashes here must be doubled. The irony is that Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2 all support forward slashes as directory seprators at the OS API level -- it is only their command shells that get in the way. Why? Because they have the same problem we do: the overloading of characters. In DOS-like command shells, "/" introduces a "switch", so "dir /b" means "a brief directory listing" rather than a listing of the files int the top-level B directory. But yes, all of this is well documented. The C-Kermit manual even has a section devoted to "Taming the Wild Backslash". Some day we'll look back on all this and laugh. : 3) When the command file got to the point where the mail package was being : generated, the BBS generates a stream of : : ^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H........... : : to indicate that things are not dead while the package is prepared. : This seemed to spas out the command file when run in Kermit/2, but : not MS-DOS Kermit. The problem was eliminated when the input buffer was : increased from the default minimum size (256 bytes) to the maximum size : (65,536 bytes). I noticed that there was a listing in BUGS.TXT that the : "input buffer was too small". I don't think I have anything special about : the input buffer for my MK 3.14, so I conclude that either : : a) the circular buffer works with MK 3.14 and not with K/2 : That can't be true, or we'd have been pilloried by angry mobs years ago. : or : : b) the ^H's effectively erase characters already in the input buffer : in MK 3.14 but not with K/2 : No. Bytes go into the buffer, no matter what they are (except NUL). What is the syntax of your INPUT command? : 4) Another problem was that a script seemed to stop, then fail on : 'reinput' of a string that was obviously being recieved. The real problem : turned out to be in an earlier 'input' command. The Gotcha! in this case : was that besides going between versions of Kermit, there were two modems : involved... : Well, this kind of script programming is a lot easier now that both K95 (K/2) and MS-DOS Kermit support the MINPUT command (INPUT looks for Many things at once). There is virtually no longer any need for REINPUT. : 5) Another problem was brought on when a dialup : script ran. Everything went OK until I went to connect mode. : Then, as soon as anything was entered from the keyboard, K/2 : left connect mode back to command mode, the session froze up, : the cursor went to lower left-hand corner and the session seemed to become : unkillable. Any effort to stop the session would produce a message at the : bottom of the screen, something to the effect of : "!!! Recieved Kill Signal!!!", but the session lived on, hogging the : COM port, still locked up until reboot. : If you can reproduce this ("!!! Recieved Kill Signal!!!" is not one of our messages), you should contact kermit-support@columbia.edu and we'll see if we can figure out what's what. Obviously Kermit should not hang, and you should not need to reboot your PC to get the COM port back. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 2 21:08:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00300 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA19408 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:08:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K/2 Gotchas Date: 3 Jan 1998 02:08:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <68k6j3$522$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <68k5ha$4kf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8206 In article <68k5ha$4kf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : : 5) Another problem was brought on when a dialup : : script ran. Everything went OK until I went to connect mode. : : Then, as soon as anything was entered from the keyboard, K/2 : : left connect mode back to command mode, the session froze up, : : the cursor went to lower left-hand corner and the session seemed to become : : unkillable. Any effort to stop the session would produce a message at the : : bottom of the screen, something to the effect of : : "!!! Recieved Kill Signal!!!", but the session lived on, hogging the : : COM port, still locked up until reboot. : : : If you can reproduce this ("!!! Recieved Kill Signal!!!" is not one of our : messages), you should contact kermit-support@columbia.edu and we'll see if : we can figure out what's what. Obviously Kermit should not hang, and you : should not need to reboot your PC to get the COM port back. Actually, "!!! Recieved Kill Signal!!!" is one of K2's messages. It is produced when Kermit receives a KILL signal from the operating system. Kermit as this point stops all operations, closes the current connection and attempts to exit. OS/2 is designed to be robust in that a failure in an application, a device driver, or the OS will result in the least impact on the system. If a failure occurs in a system or device driver routine Os/2 will not allow the process to terminate until that routine completes. This is to prevent the OS from becoming unstable. The unfortunate side effect of this is that a device may become unusable until the OS is restarted. If you can reproduce this scenario with the LOG DEBUG command active we can attempt to trace system routine in which the problem is occuring. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jan 3 14:35:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13901 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA11221 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:35:11 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <68l1p3$l9h@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> From: hell@hell.com Control: cancel <68l1p3$l9h@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 12:45:48 GMT Message-ID: X-Cancelled-By: fifi@toby.han.de Sender: hell@hell.com Approved: fifi@toby.han.de Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nacamar.de!uni-erlangen.de!uniol!news.rz.uni-hildesheim.de!baghira.han.de!spewcancel!cyberspam!noone Lines: 2 Xref: news.columbia.edu control.cancel:30465562 Message <68l1p3$l9h@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> was cancelled by fifi@toby.han.de. Reason: Spam From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jan 3 22:32:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29089 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 22:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA05614 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 22:32:24 -0500 (EST) From: jwmanly@unix.amherst.edu (John W. Manly) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with CKERMIT TRANSMIT Date: 4 Jan 98 02:37:24 GMT Organization: Amherst College Lines: 32 Message-ID: <34aef5e4.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: amhnt2.amherst.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.rediris.es!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!alpha-nt.newbedford.k12.ma.us!gatekeeper.umassd.edu!umass.edu!amhnt2.amherst.edu!abby.unix.amherst.edu!jwmanly Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8209 Hi, all. I've been running into a very frustrating problem with the CKERMIT TRANSMIT command when used over TCP/IP to a port other than the standard TELNET port (port 23). In particular, I'm trying to use CKERMIT to "force feed" a message into our NNTP news server, so I've tried just doing the following: set host news-server nntp output post\13 pause transmit message.txt pause output .\13 output QUIT\13 quit But the TRANSMIT operation never seems to work, though the rest of the script does work. Sometimes it seems that some of the input file gets lost, other times nothing at all seems to be transmitted by the TRANSMIT line. I've tried "set transmit pause 1000" to make sure the target buffers weren't being overwhelmed, but nothing seems to help. Just for laughs, I tried this to two different mail servers's SMTP ports, and I get the same kind of results -- the TRANSMIT command does not seem to handshake (or something) with the other end. But if I use this script to port 23 of a host, then it works fine. Is there something about a connection to a non-TELNET port on a remote host that makes the TRANSMIT command problematical? - John W. 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The address is http://www.cyberlove.co.uk/ Take care and Happy New year to all readers! From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jan 3 23:52:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA07637 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA09581 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:52:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ais.net!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!news From: mcmanus@idt.net (Russell D. McManus) Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: hp48 <-> linux file transfer problem with c-kermit 6.0 Date: 03 Jan 1998 23:48:35 -0500 Organization: IDT Lines: 26 Sender: rmcmanus@thelonious Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-17.ts-2.nyc.idt.net X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.hp48:74885 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8211 i'm having some trouble transferring data between my hp48 and my pc, which is running c-kermit 6.0 under linux. c-kermit is receiving data; it just appears that every packet is an error packet. the hp48 retries the transmission nine times, and each time c-kermit registers an error packet on the full screen display. i know that the transfer parameters must match between the hp48 and pc kermit; i'm wondering if some specific set of parameters must be used to get things working. i've tried various combinations of baud rates (1200, 2400, and 9600), file types ('binary' and 'ascii'), translation options ('none' and 'newline'), all to no avail. the cable i'm using to attach the hp48 to the pc is a 10 pin hp serial cable with a 4 pin adapter from Educalc. they tell me it's usable with the hp palm tops and the hp48. the serial port works fine with my modem. i followed the example from page 27-9 of the hp48 User's Guide, titled 'To transfer variables from the HP 48 to a computer:' any ideas? -russ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jan 4 04:50:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA13984 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 04:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA21498 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 04:50:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: jasantos@ultranet.com (John A Santos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with CKERMIT TRANSMIT Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 04:38:20 -0500 Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 77 Message-ID: References: <34aef5e4.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu> <34AF0373.4DDE@videotron.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: d19.dial-1.wal.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 4 Jan 1998 09:40:35 GMT X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v2.00.753 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8212 In article <34AF0373.4DDE@videotron.ca>, jf mezei <"[non- spam]jfmezei"@videotron.ca> says... > John W. Manly wrote: > > Hi, all. I've been running into a very frustrating problem with the CKERMIT > > TRANSMIT command when used over TCP/IP to a port other than the standard > > TELNET port (port 23). > > > But the TRANSMIT operation never seems to work, though the rest of the > > script does work. > > Been there, experienced the same thing. I fixed it wth the use of > open read file.name > :myloop > read \%a > if fail goto mydone > output \%a\%13 > goto myloop > > :mydone > close read > > Also, what I find most interesting is that sending \13 seems to result > in > \13\10 being sent ! > > I am on VMS 5.5-2, CKERMIT 6.0.192 6 sep 96 (VAX, of course). > TCP stack is CMU-IP. > We're using C-Kermit to talk to an SMTP server, using both output and TRANSMIT commands. The key (for OUTPUT) is you need to do INPUT's to soak up the echoes and responses from the server. SMTP gives numeric response codes for various commands and errors; we look for these in the responses to make sure everything is working. The data (i.e. mail message) doesn't produce a response, just an echo. I think it is the SMTP server that is echoing \13 as \13\10, not Kermit sending \13\10. Anyway, we were sending each line with a \13 and then waiting for the \13\10 in the response with an INPUT. If you use TRANSMIT, it should soak up the echoes for you automatically but it won't understand the protocol stuff. I'm not familiar with NNTP, but SMTP has some specific handshaking that you have to do with the server and I think NNTP must be similar. You need to send a HELO hostname command, and wait for the response, to identify the sending system. Then you need to send a FROM: command and a TO: command, identifying the sender and receiver's mail addresses, waiting for responses in each case. (I forget the precise order and format of these commands...) Then you need to send a DATA command. The server replies to the data command with a message telling you its okay to start sending, and to terminate the message with a line with a single period. When we get this message, we send a text file with the formatted mail message in it, using TRANSMIT. After the transmit, we OUTPUT .\13 and wait for the SMTP server to say it got it (with another INPUT.) There are a couple of gotcha's with SMTP that might apply to NNTP, too. SMTP uses a line consisting solely of a period to indicate end-of- message, so you have to stuff an extra period at the beginning of any line starting with a period to avoid it seeing a false end-of- message. We do this in formatting the mail message file before transmitting it. The second gotcha is really a Kermit issue. OUTPUT has an escape mechanism: \number gets converted to an ASCII character whose value is the number (e.g. \13 gets converted to ), and \{special-char} gets converted as well, where special-char is any of a list of things. For example, \n becomes a , \\ becomes a single back- slash, etc. We need to suppress the translation to allow these literal strings to appear in mail messages (\n wreaks havoc with C programs, and all the substitutions occur with annoying frequency in MIME-encoded documents.) There is a work-around for this (can I mention it yet, Frank?), but TRANSMIT doesn't have this problem, and is quite a bit faster than a READ-OUTPUT-INPUT loop, so we use TRANSMIT for the body of the message. Hope this helps. John Santos From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jan 4 04:51:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA14048 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 04:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA21646 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 04:51:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!193.174.75.126!news-was.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!not-for-mail From: dean@ankhmorork.saw.rwth-aachen.de (Stefan Ehlen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: hp48 <-> linux file transfer problem with c-kermit 6.0 Date: 4 Jan 1998 09:49:42 GMT Organization: Aachen University of Technology / Rechnerbetrieb Informatik Lines: 30 Message-ID: <68nlvm$n6i$1@nets3.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ankhmorork.saw.rwth-aachen.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.hp48:74888 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8213 In article , mcmanus@idt.net (Russell D. McManus) writes: > > i'm having some trouble transferring data between my hp48 and my pc, > which is running c-kermit 6.0 under linux. [...] > any ideas? > > -russ > Well, you could try my settings: set delay 1 set dial display on set window 5 set block 3 set receive packet-length 1000 set send pack 1000 set file type bin set file name lit set modem hayes set terminal apc off set server display on The above is stored in ~/.mykermrc, and the HP is configured this way:Wire,Kermit,Bin,->255,3,9600,none, no overwrite. Hope it helps Stefan From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jan 4 07:04:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA25221 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA28555 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:04:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.237.233.10!wesley.videotron.net!walton.videotron.net!not-for-mail From: jf mezei <"[non-spam]jfmezei"@videotron.ca> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with CKERMIT TRANSMIT Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 22:35:18 -0500 Organization: VTL Lines: 25 Message-ID: <34AF0373.4DDE@videotron.ca> References: <34aef5e4.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu> Reply-To: "[non-spam]jfmezei"@videotron.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp188.104.mmtl.videotron.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8215 John W. Manly wrote: > Hi, all. I've been running into a very frustrating problem with the CKERMIT > TRANSMIT command when used over TCP/IP to a port other than the standard > TELNET port (port 23). > But the TRANSMIT operation never seems to work, though the rest of the > script does work. Been there, experienced the same thing. I fixed it wth the use of open read file.name :myloop read \%a if fail goto mydone output \%a\%13 goto myloop :mydone close read Also, what I find most interesting is that sending \13 seems to result in \13\10 being sent ! I am on VMS 5.5-2, CKERMIT 6.0.192 6 sep 96 (VAX, of course). TCP stack is CMU-IP. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jan 4 07:04:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA25226 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA28559 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:04:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.237.233.10!wesley.videotron.net!walton.videotron.net!not-for-mail From: jf mezei <"[non-spam]jfmezei"@videotron.ca> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS: doesn't dealloc devices after use. Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 22:54:22 -0500 Organization: VTL Lines: 43 Message-ID: <34AF07E8.4A8A@videotron.ca> Reply-To: "[non-spam]jfmezei"@videotron.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp188.104.mmtl.videotron.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8216 CKermit 6.0.192 6 Sep 96 for VMS VAX. I have a script which does the following: SET SESSION LOG myfile.txt :loop SET HOST www.heaven.sky:80 IF FAILURE end 1 goto hell ; sorry couldn't resist. SET TERMINAL ECHO ON OUTPUT POST /cgi-bin/ERIS.pl HTTP/1.0\13 OUTPUT header text (about 10 outputs ended with \13) CONNECT GOTO loop Basically, this sends the equivalent of pressing the SUBMIT button on a form to a web server and then the connect just waist for the HTML results to be sent back to me (and logged to myfile.txt). After the results are sent, the remote server disconnects and the "CONNECT" statement automatically ends and the script continues. The PROBLEM: The script runs very fine for hundreds of transactions, but stops when trying to send the 242nd transaction. The message: Trying 0.0.0.0... (instead of the usual numeric address shown) TCP socket error: non translatable vms error code: 0x1B4, VMS Message %system-f-noiochan, no i/o channel available can't open connection to www.heaven.sky:80 Further investigation revealed that after a CONNECT completes, the IPnnnn device is not deallocated and eventually, the process runs out of resources to allocate those devices. neither a "HANGUP" or a "SET HOST" after the "CONNECT" makes a difference. Stopping kermit and restarting it fixes the quota problem and you're good for another 242 transactions. (In my case, with current process quotas, your milage may vary, of course). From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jan 4 11:09:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25317 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA11052 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:09:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with CKERMIT TRANSMIT Date: 4 Jan 1998 16:09:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 161 Message-ID: <68oc80$50p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34aef5e4.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu> <34AF0373.4DDE@videotron.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8217 In article , John A Santos wrote: : In article <34AF0373.4DDE@videotron.ca>, : jf mezei <"[non-spam]jfmezei"@videotron.ca> says... : > John W. Manly wrote: : > > I've been running into a very frustrating problem with the CKERMIT : > > TRANSMIT command when used over TCP/IP to a port other than the standard : > > TELNET port (port 23). : > : > > But the TRANSMIT operation never seems to work, though the rest of the : > > script does work. : TRANSMIT just blasts the contents of the file out the communication connection, more or less. There are a few adjustments you can make. Its operations and the adjustments you can make to them are described in detail in "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition, Chapter 15. : > Been there, experienced the same thing. I fixed it wth the use of : > open read file.name : > :myloop : > read \%a : > if fail goto mydone : > output \%a\%13 : > goto myloop : > : > :mydone : > close read : This does just about the same thing that TRANSMIT does, but evidently slows the process down enough, in this case, to allow the application on the other end to keep up. You might just as well have used: set transmit pause xxx where xxx is the number of milliseconds to pause after sending each line. Also, the loop above does not read back echoes from the other end, so if the other end is indeed echoing, the echoes might fill up the reverse channel and eventually block it. : > Also, what I find most interesting is that sending \13 seems to result : > in \13\10 being sent ! : It is being sent. C-Kermit 6.0 and earlier do this on all TCP connections, Telnet or not (except Rlogin), by default, since experience shows that most servers on non-Telnet ports (except Rlogin), even though they might not do Telnet protocol negotiations, still follow the Telnet NVT specification, which demands this. If if causes problems, you can use: set telnet newline-mode binary to force CR to be sent as CR alone. : > I am on VMS 5.5-2, CKERMIT 6.0.192 6 sep 96 (VAX, of course). : > TCP stack is CMU-IP. : > : We're using C-Kermit to talk to an SMTP server, using both output : and TRANSMIT commands. The key (for OUTPUT) is you need to do : INPUT's to soak up the echoes and responses from the server. SMTP : gives numeric response codes for various commands and errors; : we look for these in the responses to make sure everything is working. : The data (i.e. mail message) doesn't produce a response, just an echo. : I think it is the SMTP server that is echoing \13 as \13\10, not : Kermit sending \13\10. Anyway, we were sending each line with a \13 : and then waiting for the \13\10 in the response with an INPUT. : Right. SMTP is a protocol that has messages containing function codes. By the way, these can be handled very nicely in C-Kermit 6.0 and MSK 3.15 with the new MINPUT and SWITCH statements (for an example, see the C-Kermit TAP alpha paging script). : If you use TRANSMIT, it should soak up the echoes for you automatically : but it won't understand the protocol stuff. : Right. : I'm not familiar with NNTP, but SMTP has some specific handshaking that : you have to do with the server and I think NNTP must be similar. You need : to send a HELO hostname command, and wait for the response, to identify : the sending system. Then you need to send a FROM: command and a TO: : command, identifying the sender and receiver's mail addresses, waiting for : responses in each case. (I forget the precise order and format of these : commands...) Then you need to send a DATA command. The server replies to : the data command with a message telling you its okay to start sending, and : to terminate the message with a line with a single period. When we get : this message, we send a text file with the formatted mail message in it, : using TRANSMIT. After the transmit, we OUTPUT .\13 and wait for the SMTP : server to say it got it (with another INPUT.) : : There are a couple of gotcha's with SMTP that might apply to NNTP, too. : SMTP uses a line consisting solely of a period to indicate end-of- : message, so you have to stuff an extra period at the beginning of : any line starting with a period to avoid it seeing a false end-of- : message. We do this in formatting the mail message file before : transmitting it. : : The second gotcha is really a Kermit issue. OUTPUT has an escape : mechanism: \number gets converted to an ASCII character whose value : is the number (e.g. \13 gets converted to ), and \{special-char} : gets converted as well, where special-char is any of a list of : things. For example, \n becomes a , \\ becomes a single back- : slash, etc. We need to suppress the translation to allow these literal : strings to appear in mail messages (\n wreaks havoc with C programs, : and all the substitutions occur with annoying frequency in MIME-encoded : documents.) There is a work-around for this (can I mention it yet, : Frank?)... : In the following script fragment: read \%a if fail ... output \%a\13 we read a line from a file into the variable \%a. In the OUTPUT command, we need to replace the variable by its contents, so we can't (e.g.) turn off variable expansion entirely with SET COMMAND QUOTING OFF, because then the OUTPUT command would send "\%a\13" literally. However if we leave it ON, the variable \%a is evaluated recursively, so if the line contains any backslashes, the parser "interprets" them. This is not a bug, but a design feature (see the boilerplate-letter example in the manual). It would seem the solution is to use the *other* kind of variable, the kind that is evaluated one level only, not recursively: read line if fail ... output \m(line)\13 This works fine provided (as John points out), the line does not contain the special OUTPUT escapes, \N, \B, or \L for sending NUL and BREAK. C-Kermit 6.1 (still in development; watch this space for announcements) has a new command: SET OUTPUT SPECIAL-ESCAPES { ON, OFF } to control this. If you want to send the lines of a text file literally, no matter what they contain, in a READ / OUTPUT loop, you can use: set output special-escapes off open read foo.txt if fail stop 1 can't open file while 1 { read line if fail break output \m(line)\13 } : ... but TRANSMIT doesn't have this problem, and is quite a bit : faster than a READ-OUTPUT-INPUT loop, so we use TRANSMIT for the body : of the message. : I don't know how NNTP works either, offhand, but if it really just wants bunch of lines, you should be able to use the TRANSMIT command. Read about all the options in the manual, especially SET TRANSMIT PROMPT (wait for echo), SET TRANSMIT FILL (filler for empty lines), and SET TRANSMIT EOF (what to send upon end of file). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jan 4 11:19:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26693 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA11599 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:19:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS: doesn't dealloc devices after use. Date: 4 Jan 1998 16:18:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-ID: <68ocpj$59a$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34AF07E8.4A8A@videotron.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8218 In article <34AF07E8.4A8A@videotron.ca>, jf mezei <"[non-spam]jfmezei"@videotron.ca> wrote: : CKermit 6.0.192 6 Sep 96 for VMS VAX. : : I have a script which does the following: : : SET SESSION LOG myfile.txt : : :loop : SET HOST www.heaven.sky:80 : IF FAILURE end 1 goto hell ; sorry couldn't resist. : Actually you probably wanted this to be simply "if failure goto hell" (but then you'll need a ":hell" label). : SET TERMINAL ECHO ON : OUTPUT POST /cgi-bin/ERIS.pl HTTP/1.0\13 : OUTPUT header text (about 10 outputs ended with \13) : Not that it's relevant to your complaint, but you really should put an IF FAIL command after any communications-oriented command to catch i/o errors, broken connections, etc; otherwise the script will keep cranking away after the connection is gone. : CONNECT : GOTO loop : : Basically, this sends the equivalent of pressing the SUBMIT button on a : form to a web server and then the connect just waist for the HTML : results to be sent back to me (and logged to myfile.txt). After the : results are sent, the remote server disconnects and the "CONNECT" : statement automatically ends and the script continues. : : The PROBLEM: : : The script runs very fine for hundreds of transactions, but stops when : trying to send the 242nd transaction. : : The message: : Trying 0.0.0.0... (instead of the usual numeric address shown) : TCP socket error: non translatable vms error code: 0x1B4, : VMS Message : %system-f-noiochan, no i/o channel available : can't open connection to www.heaven.sky:80 : : Further investigation revealed that after a CONNECT completes, the : IPnnnn device is not deallocated and eventually, the process runs out : of resources to allocate those devices. : neither a "HANGUP" or a "SET HOST" after the "CONNECT" makes : a difference. : : Stopping kermit and restarting it fixes the quota problem and you're : good for another 242 transactions. (In my case, with current process : quotas, your milage may vary, of course). : Hmmm, looks a lot like a bug. Well, you've got the workaround, and I've got the report. Thanks. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jan 4 21:29:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03457 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA12462 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:29:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.20.110.210!news.slack.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 18:19:44 -0700 From: dallasii@kincyb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: K/2 gotchas Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Lines: 177 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8219 To set the record straight, when I tried my first post on this thread, post-comp.protocols.kermit.misc@newspost.zippo.com failed, and I had to use mail2news-YYYYMMDD-comp.protocols.kermit.misc@anon.lcs.mit.edu (YYYYMMDD = date) Possibly a change of policy with the new year at Zippo.com. FDC>Subject: Re: K/2 Gotchas FDC>From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) FDC>Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:50:34 -0800 FDC>Message-ID: <68k5ha$4kf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> FDC>Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc FDC> FDC> FDC>In article , FDC> wrote: FDC>: ................. FDC>: FDC>: On MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, the single back slashes were permitted even though FDC>: the documentation clearly states that a double back slash should be used FDC>: when a back slash is desired where escaped substitution occurs. FDC>: FDC>: ..................................... FDC>But yes, all of this is well documented. The C-Kermit manual even has a FDC>section devoted to "Taming the Wild Backslash". Yep, page 48. FDC> FDC>Some day we'll look back on all this and laugh. FDC> Hey, I said some of this stuff might be trivial! :-) FDC>: 3) When the command file got to the point where the mail package was bein g FDC>: generated, the BBS generates a stream of FDC>: FDC>: ^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H........... FDC>: FDC>: to indicate that things are not dead while the package is prepared. FDC>: This seemed to spas out the command file when run in Kermit/2, but FDC>: not MS-DOS Kermit. The problem was eliminated when the input buffer was FDC>: increased from the default minimum size (256 bytes) to the maximum size FDC>: (65,536 bytes). I noticed that there was a listing in BUGS.TXT that the FDC>: "input buffer was too small". I don't think I have anything special abou t FDC>: the input buffer for my MK 3.14, so I conclude that either FDC>: FDC>: a) the circular buffer works with MK 3.14 and not with K/2 FDC>: FDC>That can't be true, or we'd have been pilloried by angry mobs years ago. FDC> FDC>: or FDC>: FDC>: b) the ^H's effectively erase characters already in the input buffer FDC>: in MK 3.14 but not with K/2 FDC>: FDC>No. Bytes go into the buffer, no matter what they are (except NUL). FDC> FDC>What is the syntax of your INPUT command? FDC> How about this: ; *** File KINCYB.QWK (307954 bytes long) is now ready for download *** input 500 is now ready for download *** FDC>: 4) Another problem was that a script seemed to stop, then fail on FDC>: 'reinput' of a string that was obviously being recieved. The real proble m FDC>: turned out to be in an earlier 'input' command. The Gotcha! in this case FDC>: was that besides going between versions of Kermit, there were two modems FDC>: involved... FDC>: FDC>Well, this kind of script programming is a lot easier now that both K95 (K/ 2) FDC>and MS-DOS Kermit support the MINPUT command (INPUT looks for Many things a t FDC>once). There is virtually no longer any need for REINPUT. Thanks for pointing this out. Is this a real command in MS-DOS Kermit 3.15? I see where a macro MINPUT is shown in the KERMIT.BWR for 3.14 documentation file. I think a side effect of using this could be to simplify tangle of script to deal with the occasional messages the BBS throws up to try and distract from the mission of exchanging the mail. I'll switch to MINPUT when I get 3.15 installed over 3.14, if not sooner. FDC>................................................ FDC> JA>Subject: Re: K/2 Gotchas JA>From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) JA>Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:08:35 -0800 JA>Message-ID: <68k6j3$522$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> JA>Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc JA> JA> JA>In article <68k5ha$4kf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, JA>Frank da Cruz wrote: JA>: : 5) Another problem was brought on when a dialup JA>: : script ran. Everything went OK until I went to connect mode. JA>: : Then, as soon as anything was entered from the keyboard, K/2 JA>: : left connect mode back to command mode, the session froze up, JA>: : the cursor went to lower left-hand corner and the session seemed to beco me JA>: : unkillable. Any effort to stop the session would produce a message at t he JA>: : bottom of the screen, something to the effect of JA>: : "!!! Recieved Kill Signal!!!", but the session lived on, hogging the JA>: : COM port, still locked up until reboot. JA>: : .................................................. JA> JA>Actually, "!!! Recieved Kill Signal!!!" is one of K2's messages. It JA>is produced when Kermit receives a KILL signal from the operating JA>system. Kermit as this point stops all operations, closes the current JA>connection and attempts to exit. JA> JA>......................................... JA> JA>If you can reproduce this scenario with the LOG DEBUG command active JA>we can attempt to trace system routine in which the problem is occuring. JA> I've never used LOG DEBUG before, but definitly have some documentation on it, and will try it, probably tomorrow, Sunday. I seemed to get into a positive feedback loop when I encountered this problem - having to reboot just increased the urgency to get typing as soon as logged in. When I thought to slow down, the problem quit. Trying to think of anything else that might be important on this, the only other things I can think of are that I'm using an old style 83 key (or what ever - less than 90) keyboard (it never previously caused any problem that I'm aware of), and the USR modem acts a little flakey when we get what passes for winter weather out here. I really don't know if this last point is the modem or something with the phone lines when they get cold or damp. (I'll try it with the Zoom internal as well to check on that. The (slower) Zoom never seems to be bothered by the weather.) JA> JA> Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 JA> The Kermit Project * Columbia University JA> 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 JA> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu JA> JA>-------------------------------- Thanks & Best regards, Dallas E. Legan II (562) 862 - 4854 ext. '*' legan@acm.org legan@forth.org aw585@lafn.org dallasii@kincyb.com "But I found that the rulers were ordinary men, too, and frequently as bewildered as I was." from "Solution Unsatisfactory" by Robert A. Heinlein I speak only for myself, and assume full responsibility for my statements. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 5 09:46:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24078 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA06915 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:46:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K/2 gotchas Date: 5 Jan 1998 14:46:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-ID: <68qros$3ht$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8220 In article , wrote: : >: ... the BBS generates a stream of : >: : >: ^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H........... : >: : >: to indicate that things are not dead while the package is prepared. : : > What is the syntax of your INPUT command? : : How about this: : : ; *** File KINCYB.QWK (307954 bytes long) is now ready for download *** : input 500 is now ready for download *** : It looks fine. I tested this here by created a file containing 125,000 repetitions of ^H|^H/^H-^H\^H| (a total of 1MB) followed by "*** File KINCYB.QWK (307954 bytes long) is now ready for download ***". I told the host to display this file while K-95 was executing: input 500 is now ready for download *** It worked fine. Could it be that the message "*** File KINCYB.QWK (307954 bytes long) is now ready for download ***" is not sent in one piece? : > Well, this kind of script programming is a lot easier now that both : > K95 (K/2) and MS-DOS Kermit support the MINPUT command (INPUT that looks : > for Many things at once). There is virtually no longer any need for : > REINPUT. : : Thanks for pointing this out. Is this a real command in MS-DOS : Kermit 3.15? : Yes. : I see where a macro MINPUT is shown in the KERMIT.BWR for 3.14 : documentation file. : Look in MSK315.DOC. It's also documented in "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Ed, which comes with K95. : Trying to think of anything else that might be important on this, : the only other things I can think of are that I'm using an old style : 83 key (or what ever - less than 90) keyboard (it never previously : caused any problem that I'm aware of), and the USR modem acts a little : flakey when we get what passes for winter weather out here. I : really don't know if this last point is the modem or something with : the phone lines when they get cold or damp. (I'll try it with the Zoom : internal as well to check on that. The (slower) Zoom never seems to be : bothered by the weather.) : Although it is an exercise in futility these days, we recommend -- and always have recommended -- against internal modems. Modems being what they are these days (buggy), do you really want one of the plugged into the *bus* of your computer? See Item 22 of the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 5 11:38:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18631 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA12701 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:38:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K/2 gotchas Date: 5 Jan 1998 16:38:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <68r298$6ug$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <68qros$3ht$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8221 In article <68qros$3ht$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : : ; *** File KINCYB.QWK (307954 bytes long) is now ready for download *** : : input 500 is now ready for download *** : : : It looks fine. I tested this here by created a file containing 125,000 : repetitions of ^H|^H/^H-^H\^H| (a total of 1MB) followed by : "*** File KINCYB.QWK (307954 bytes long) is now ready for download ***". : I told the host to display this file while K-95 was executing: : : input 500 is now ready for download *** : : It worked fine. Could it be that the message "*** File KINCYB.QWK (307954 : bytes long) is now ready for download ***" is not sent in one piece? My guess is that the ready for download or *** are either in a special color, is bold faced, or is blinking. Which means that the real string you are looking for contains ESC sequences. Therefore "ready for download ***" is never actually seen. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 5 14:41:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29471 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA28725 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:41:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!lucy.cc.swin.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au!not-for-mail From: rwi@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au (Ross Irvine) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Delete and Filespec Question. Date: 5 Jan 1998 02:44:13 GMT Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <68phdt$4hu$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au NNTP-Posting-User: rwi X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] X-MD5: 2cd2c8b1069fec25c6ceda3705e6dbbb Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8223 More Questions.. :) I'm using Kermit for DOS 3.15. Doing a del c:\temp\*.* prompts for a "Are you sure" is there anyway to return OFF this prompt? Also is there a way to get a pathname out of a string. Eg I've written something that will go through a directory (passed as a parameter) and send all the files, then delete them after it's finished. The problem is when loading an array with the filename using \ffile() and \fnextfile, the pathname is not returned with the \fnextfile call. This means if I just cylce through the array to send the files and my current kermit directory isn't the correct one it won't be able to find the files. Any solutions?? Regards.. -- Ross Irvine E-Mail : rirvine@netlink.com.au B.App Sci (Comp Sci), CNA Still working on the CNE.... Communications & Network Admin Phone GSM : +61 419 565232 BreastScreen Victoria Work : +61-3-9349-2744 Fax: +61-3-9349-2711 And all round nice guy. :) WEB : http://yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au/~rwi/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 5 14:41:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29473 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA28729 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:41:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!lucy.cc.swin.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au!not-for-mail From: rwi@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au (Ross Irvine) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit 3.15 bug. Date: 4 Jan 1998 22:33:27 GMT Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <68p2nn$kpb$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> References: <68hst7$r0e$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> <68j0sn$hdj$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au NNTP-Posting-User: rwi X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] X-MD5: cd374b57d500ca8408ab028b5dd890da Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8224 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : The problem with SWITCH destroying macro arguments will be fixed too. In the : meantime, work around it by copying the macro argument to another variable : upon entry to the macro. This doesn't seem to work. After the switch statement both the passed varible \%1 and the one I copied it to (\%g in my case) are both empty. Seeing how this is the case, when you do : define \%g %\1 Are you actually copying the variable %1 to %g or are you just making a pointer from the destination to the source variable? I'll download the latest beta and check it out... Thanks again.. Regards.. -- Ross Irvine E-Mail : rirvine@netlink.com.au B.App Sci (Comp Sci), CNA Still working on the CNE.... Communications & Network Admin Phone GSM : +61 419 565232 BreastScreen Victoria Work : +61-3-9349-2744 Fax: +61-3-9349-2711 And all round nice guy. :) WEB : http://yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au/~rwi/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 5 15:20:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06613 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA00836 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:20:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit 3.15 bug. Date: 5 Jan 1998 20:20:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <68rfaa$dro$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <68hst7$r0e$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> <68j0sn$hdj$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <68p2nn$kpb$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8225 In article <68p2nn$kpb$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>, Ross Irvine wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : The problem with SWITCH destroying macro arguments will be fixed too. In : : the meantime, work around it by copying the macro argument to another : : variable upon entry to the macro. : : This doesn't seem to work. : : After the switch statement both the passed varible \%1 and the one I copied : it to (\%g in my case) are both empty. : : Seeing how this is the case, when you do : : define \%g %\1 : Sorry, I should have been more explicit: define \%g %\1 (use ASSIGN, which copies the value, not DEFINE, which copies the text). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 5 19:35:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28446 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA16518 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:35:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.sfba.home.net!cypher.cagent.com!user From: tsw@cagent.com (Tom Watson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K/2 Gotchas Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 16:17:03 -0800 Organization: CagEnt, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <68k5ha$4kf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: alfred.cagent.com Cache-Post-Path: alfred.cagent.com!unknown@cypher.cagent.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8226 In article <68k5ha$4kf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: <<>> > > But yes, all of this is well documented. The C-Kermit manual even has a > section devoted to "Taming the Wild Backslash". > > Some day we'll look back on all this and laugh. > <<>> Unfortunately, most of us will just cry. The problem will still be with us in some version of Windows 2001 (or whatever the next release is). About the only thing that MIGHT cure it is a tactical nuclear strike at, or near (closeness does count here) Redmond, Washington. Then again, we could hire Q to think up counter acting gadgets. (*SIGH*). Probably much off topic, but a comentary of the day. I apologize in advance. -- tsw@cagent.com (Home: tsw@johana.com) Please forward spam to: annagram@hr.house.gov (my Congressman), I do. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 5 22:13:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA15822 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:13:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA26764 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:13:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!131.204.2.19!ultranews.duc.auburn.edu!not-for-mail From: "t.bakir" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ssh or ssl in msdos kermit ?? Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:06:42 -0600 Organization: Auburn University Usenet Server Lines: 3 Message-ID: <34B19FC2.BF3B7EE6@eng.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: discovery.eng.auburn.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8227 does kermit support ssh or ssl login (encryption methods) ?.. i am using dos kermit From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 6 02:12:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA21697 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:12:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA06228 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:12:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.sgi.com!wrdiss1.robins.af.mil!wpdiss1.wpafb.af.mil!oodiss1.hill.af.mil!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Delete and Filespec Question.clo Message-ID: Date: 5 Jan 98 21:33:55 MDT References: <68phdt$4hu$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8228 In article <68phdt$4hu$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>, rwi@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au (Ross Irvine) writes: > More Questions.. :) > > I'm using Kermit for DOS 3.15. > > Doing a del c:\temp\*.* prompts for a "Are you sure" is there anyway to > return OFF this prompt? > > Also is there a way to get a pathname out of a string. > Eg I've written something that will go through a directory (passed as a > parameter) and send all the files, then delete them after it's finished. > The problem is when loading an array with the filename using \ffile() and > \fnextfile, the pathname is not returned with the \fnextfile call. This > means if I just cylce through the array to send the files and my current > kermit directory isn't the correct one it won't be able to find the files. ---------- The Are you sure message is from DOS, not from Kermit. Your delete command is passed to DOS for intepretation. Parsing paths from files is not nearly as simple as it looks. Recall, the string might be just a list of directories with no filename at the end, or a filename is at the end but had no extension, or wild cards are present, etc. And it may be rooted or relative, and so on. CKermit and MS-DOS Kermit in development have tree walking features where components can be tested for file-ness via the o/s. MSK's does not use or need arrays because DOS provides methods to remember one's place. Lists of files and directories are available this way. Please see MSK 3.16 Alpha 1 (alpha level development) on kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 6 10:48:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20002 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03374 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:48:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ssh or ssl in msdos kermit ?? Date: 6 Jan 1998 15:48:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <68tjnn$g94$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34B19FC2.BF3B7EE6@eng.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8229 In article <34B19FC2.BF3B7EE6@eng.auburn.edu>, t.bakir wrote: : does kermit support ssh or ssl login (encryption methods) ?.. i am using : dos kermit : No, and there is not much chance that it ever will, since (a) such items can not be freely distributed due to US law; (b) various components may be proprietary or patented; and (c) the size and complexity of the code would preclude its inclusion in a DOS program that must fit in 640K and still leave room for shelling out to DOS and running other programs in the same space. We are, however, planning to include Kerberos IV and Kerberos V authentication *and* encryption in the next release Kermit 95. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 6 10:51:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20671 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03597 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:51:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.sgi.com!wrdiss1.robins.af.mil!wpdiss1.wpafb.af.mil!oodiss1.hill.af.mil!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit 3.15 bug Message-ID: Date: 5 Jan 98 21:35:04 MDT References: <68hst7$r0e$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> <68rfaa$dro$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8230 In article <68rfaa$dro$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <68p2nn$kpb$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>, > Ross Irvine wrote: > : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : : The problem with SWITCH destroying macro arguments will be fixed too. In > : : the meantime, work around it by copying the macro argument to another > : : variable upon entry to the macro. > : > : This doesn't seem to work. > : > : After the switch statement both the passed varible \%1 and the one I copied > : it to (\%g in my case) are both empty. > : > : Seeing how this is the case, when you do : > : define \%g %\1 > : > Sorry, I should have been more explicit: > > define \%g %\1 > > (use ASSIGN, which copies the value, not DEFINE, which copies the text). > > - Frank --------- Yes, yes, the bug is known and fixed in MSK 3.16 development. Please be patient a little longer. Thanks, Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 6 13:18:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22655 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11032 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:18:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.gte.net!nntp.flash.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!rosseau From: rosseau@imap2.asu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Simple Kermit dailing script Date: 6 Jan 1998 17:54:48 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <68tr58$h26@news.asu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: stats4.asu.edu Summary: Script for everyone! Keywords: Kermit script X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8231 Hello, My name is Louie and and I am willing to share my simple and easy-to-understand dialing script with those who are interested. If you are interested, please respond to this post. I shared my script with many of my fellow students and they were appreciative. It seems to me that the script examples included with MS-DOS Kermit are unnecessarily long and complex. The scripts contain odd macro definitions and redirection that puzzles me. They are not very good templates for the person interested in writing their very own script--especially if the person is a beginner or is unfamiliar with batch programming. My script is easy to comprehend and I am going to add many remarks so that everyone can understand what is being done at each step. The script reads like a DOS batch file so that those who are familiar with batch programming will easily comprehend the script. Moreover, my script is less than one page in length and contains only script and macro commands. If people are interested, I can also post some of my macro definitions for uploading and downloading files and other neat things. But for now, adios amigos. P.S., it is currently 65 degrees and sunny in Arizona. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 7 12:48:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29191 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08996 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:48:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@59.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K/2 gotchas Date: 7 Jan 1998 16:29:45 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 17 Message-ID: <690ahp$q3b$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <68qros$3ht$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <68r298$6ug$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8233 Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : My guess is that the ready for download or *** are either in a special color, : is bold faced, or is blinking. Which means that the real string you are : looking for contains ESC sequences. Therefore "ready for download ***" : is never actually seen. Log Session could be used to verify this. I always Log Session before starting script design, to make sure that I don't make speeling mistakes or have cApitalization troubles, by editting the recorded file into a script, rather than entering from scratch. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 7 13:45:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11297 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11981 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:45:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K/2 gotchas Date: 7 Jan 1998 18:44:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <690ifa$qik$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <68qros$3ht$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <68r298$6ug$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <690ahp$q3b$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8234 In article <690ahp$q3b$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : My guess is that the ready for download or *** are either in a special : : color, is bold faced, or is blinking. Which means that the real string : : you are looking for contains ESC sequences. Therefore "ready for : : download ***" is never actually seen. : : Log Session could be used to verify this. : Right. Another little-known but very handy feature of Kermit 95 is the terminal-screen debugger. Just type Alt-d to toggle it on and off. When on, the word DEBUG appears in the status line and all control characters and escape sequences (and Telnet negotiations, etc) are shown graphically, in a distinct color. : I always Log Session before starting script design, to make sure that I : don't make speeling mistakes or have cApitalization troubles, by : editting the recorded file into a script, rather than entering from : scratch. : And by the way, you can control whether INPUT commands care about capitalization by using the command: SET INPUT CASE { IGNORE, OBSERVE } or, equivalently (and more simply): SET CASE { ON, OFF } - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 7 22:09:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA16475 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA08176 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:09:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:59:12 -0700 From: Author-Address: dallasii kincyb com Message-ID: Subject: Re: K/2 Gotchas Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Lines: 83 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8235 JA> Subject: Re: K/2 gotchas JA> From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) JA> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:38:00 -0800 JA> Message-ID: <68r298$6ug$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> JA> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc JA> JA> JA> In article <68qros$3ht$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, JA> : : ; *** File KINCYB.QWK (307954 bytes long) is now ready for download *** JA> : : input 500 is now ready for download *** JA> : : JA> : It looks fine. I tested this here by created a file containing 125,000 JA> : repetitions of ^H|^H/^H-^H\^H| (a total of 1MB) followed by JA> : "*** File KINCYB.QWK (307954 bytes long) is now ready for download ***". JA> : I told the host to display this file while K-95 was executing: JA> : JA> : input 500 is now ready for download *** JA> : JA> : It worked fine. Could it be that the message "*** File KINCYB.QWK (30795 4 JA> : bytes long) is now ready for download ***" is not sent in one piece? JA> JA> My guess is that the ready for download or *** are either in a special colo r, JA> is bold faced, or is blinking. Which means that the real string you are JA> looking for contains ESC sequences. Therefore "ready for download ***" JA> is never actually seen. JA> JA> Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 JA> The Kermit Project * Columbia University JA> 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 JA> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu JA> I just ran a session with the buffer set to the default (setting it to the maximum seemed to solve the problem.) and session logging on and nothing seemed to go wrong. I'll do this for a few days to verify it. The download on this recent test was just a few messages (9), so there was not much '^H\....' stuff to trigger the effect if it was there. It seems probable to me now that this might of been a secondary effect of the 'reinput' problem also metioned in my original post, when the primary one *didn't* happen due to some timing fluke of the particular session. But at the time, it seemed to go away when the buffer was maxed out in size. This last test was still done with the original 'is now ready for download ***' input string, instead of the suggested '{is now ready for download ***}' Thanks, I gotta do the debug.log stuff yet. Regards, Dallas E. Legan II (562) 862 - 4854 ext. '*' D <- Parse this, SpamBots! :-) A ****************************************************** L "But I found that the Rulers were L L A L ordinary men, too, and frequently E E W A as bewildered as I was." G G 5 S "Solution Unsatisfactory", A A 8 I Robert A. Heinlein N N 5 I ****************************************************** @ OR @ OR @ OR @ I speak only for myself, and assume A F L K full responsibility for my statements. C I A I M G F N . . N C O O . Y R R O B G G R . G C O M From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 7 23:23:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28315 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:23:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA11943 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:23:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!zdc!super.zippo.com!lotsanews.com!ix.netcom.com!ftl-fl3-13.ix.netcom.com!user From: dmeyer9@ix.netcom.com (David J Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Control Characters Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:14:43 -0500 Organization: Guerilla Software Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ftl-fl3-13.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jan 07 1:16:33 PM PST 1998 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8236 Is there a way during a send/receive to configure kermit not to embed a 'control-m' while sending files between windows/unix? Thanks, David Meyer Guerilla Software From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 8 02:09:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA04069 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:09:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA17267 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:09:48 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.107.41.5!iglou!wakep From: wakep@iglou1.iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) Subject: Re: Control Characters X-Nntp-Posting-Host: iglou1 X-Nntp-Posting-User: wakep Message-ID: Sender: news@iglou.com (News) Organization: IgLou Internet Services (1-800-436-4456) X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) References: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:57:48 GMT Lines: 15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8237 In article , David J Meyer wrote: > > > > Is there a way during a send/receive to > configure kermit not to embed a 'control-m' > while sending files between windows/unix? > set file type binary -- J. Wakeley Purple - wakep@iglou.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 8 12:21:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15403 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19178 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:21:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.u-net.com!not-for-mail From: "Richard Kimber" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Unix login Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 17:17:27 Organization: (Posted Via) U-NET Ltd. Lines: 17 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Richard Kimber" NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.nas2.is3.u-net.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: PMINews 1.01a For OS/2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8238 I am experimenting with Kermit for OS/2 and am trying to set up an automated login to a unix machine. However, after accepting my password the machine presents me with a crude menu, asking me to type 1, 2, or 3 , depending on which machine I want. I don't seem to have found the correct way of dealing with this. The best I can get is a hang of the Kermit session while being invited to input a number. I am able to connect OK by typing in my username, password, and menu choice by hand. I should be grateful for some pointers. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 8 12:28:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16426 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19444 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:28:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unix login Date: 8 Jan 1998 17:28:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6932ba$8ei$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8239 In article , Richard Kimber wrote: : I am experimenting with Kermit for OS/2 and am trying to set up an automated : login to a unix machine. However, after accepting my password the machine : presents me with a crude menu, asking me to type 1, 2, or 3 , depending on : which machine I want. : : I don't seem to have found the correct way of dealing with this. The best I : can get is a hang of the Kermit session while being invited to input a : number. : : I am able to connect OK by typing in my username, password, and menu choice : by hand. : : I should be grateful for some pointers. : Did you read the manual chapters on script programming? They contain examples of how to do this. Very briefly: 1. Collect a session log so you can see the exact character stream. 2. Identify the final character string that is sent in the act of putting up the menu. 3. Execute an INPUT command for that string, including any control characters or escape sequences it might contain. 4. After the INPUT command completes successfully (if it does), include a PAUSE 1 command just for safety. 5. Send your menu selection, e.g. "output 3\13". Then add a command to do whatever you want to do next, e.g. "connect". - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 8 12:34:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19502 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19767 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:34:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PTTYs and Kermit Date: 8 Jan 1998 17:34:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6932ni$8mi$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <693232$1fca$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.sco.misc:58511 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8240 In article <693232$1fca$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, Morgan Johnson wrote: : Situation: I am using Kermit (6+) to control unattended data transfers : from several sites to a central location. Some connections are made over : a network, and some require dialup, and kermit presents a consistent : interface. Where the connection is over the network, the remote system : assigns a ptty to handle the Kermit session. The pttys are not being : released for re-use, requiring that every so often the remote sites musts : reboot; then the pttys become available again. : Is Kermit exiting normally or is it being killed from outside? Or suspended? Does the caller hang up without logging off or exiting from Kermit? etc etc. This problem almost certainly has nothing to do with Kermit, since Kermit is completely unaware of the pty. For the record, which SCO operating system and version are you using? : I've done the usual checking - there are plenty of pttys available, : streams resources seem adequate, there are no processes hanging. When I : try to simulate the situation during the day, I cannot cause the problem. : That is, however I try to break the connection, etc., each time I telnet : in, or get in thru Kermit, the remote system assigns the same ptty, as it : should. It is NOT ttyp0, however. The system I am studying was rebooted : at the end of 1/6. There have been six connections using kermit since : then, and ttyp0-5 are no longer usable. : Not from me, but I am adding comp.protocols.kermit.misc to this reply to broaden the scope of the discussion a bit. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 8 16:53:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12288 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA03040 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:53:05 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: Re: Kermit vs SCO pttys Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <69339l$1ksa$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:43:49 GMT Lines: 41 Sender: gerlach@netcom18.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8241 I'm not sure how relevent my experience is, but here goes. I have used Expect and a Perl functional equivelent to "talk" to kermit running on SCO 3.2.4. Both Expect and Perl's functional equivent use ptys for this "talking". In the process of doing this, I've noticed a few important items. First and formost, shuting down kermit gracefully really helps. Secondly, a very common problem is that if you don't gracefully shutdown kermit, but "kill" it, you must be sure to reap the dead with a call to the wait() function. If you don't there will be zombies floating around, and you could run out of ptys and processes. However, when your parent progam exits, UNIX will do the reaping for you; so a post mortem won't tell you of the problem. Matthew H. Gerlach In article <69339l$1ksa$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> GXXE75A@prodigy.com (Morgan Johnson) writes: >I am using C-Kermit to control unattended data transfers from several >remote Unix systems and one central Unix system. All systems are SCO 3.2. >4.2. I am using Kermit since some systems are on a network and some >require dialup, and Kermit gives me a consistent interface. > >On the networked machines, the remote system assigns a ptty to handle the >kermit connection. For some reason, these pttys are not being released >for re-use. E.G.: one of the systems was rebooted at the end of 1/6. >Since then there have been six connections made using C-Kermit, and at >this time ttyp0-5 are no longer available. When I telnet in, or use >Kermit, the system assigns me ttyp6. It does this consistently, and does >NOT advance the ptty number, which is to say, I cannot recreate the >problem. I have tried breaking the connection in various nasty ways, I >have checked for lingering processes, I have reviewed the streams >resources, etc., checked the ownership and permissions on the pttys, etc., > etc. Normal telnet connections never cause the problem, but every Kermit >connection made at night does cause it. > >Any ideas? > >Morgan Johnson, GXXE75A@prodigy.com > From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 8 18:43:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09639 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA09906 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:42:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newscon04!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: GXXE75A@prodigy.com (Morgan Johnson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit vs SCO pttys Date: 8 Jan 1998 17:44:21 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <69339l$1ksa$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap4-int.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8242 I am using C-Kermit to control unattended data transfers from several remote Unix systems and one central Unix system. All systems are SCO 3.2. 4.2. I am using Kermit since some systems are on a network and some require dialup, and Kermit gives me a consistent interface. On the networked machines, the remote system assigns a ptty to handle the kermit connection. For some reason, these pttys are not being released for re-use. E.G.: one of the systems was rebooted at the end of 1/6. Since then there have been six connections made using C-Kermit, and at this time ttyp0-5 are no longer available. When I telnet in, or use Kermit, the system assigns me ttyp6. It does this consistently, and does NOT advance the ptty number, which is to say, I cannot recreate the problem. I have tried breaking the connection in various nasty ways, I have checked for lingering processes, I have reviewed the streams resources, etc., checked the ownership and permissions on the pttys, etc., etc. Normal telnet connections never cause the problem, but every Kermit connection made at night does cause it. Any ideas? Morgan Johnson, GXXE75A@prodigy.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 9 18:16:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02856 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA09685 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:16:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.idt.net!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!wrdiss1.robins.af.mil!wpdiss1.wpafb.af.mil!oodiss1.hill.af.mil!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ssh or ssl in msdos kermit ?? Message-ID: Date: 6 Jan 98 12:43:58 MDT References: <34B19FC2.BF3B7EE6@eng.auburn.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 6 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8245 In article <34B19FC2.BF3B7EE6@eng.auburn.edu>, "t.bakir" writes: > does kermit support ssh or ssl login (encryption methods) ?.. i am using > dos kermit --------- The answer is no, MS-DOS Kermit does not support SSH/SSL Telnet logins. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jan 10 19:59:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23623 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA25321 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:59:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!uniserve!newsfeeds.sol.net!news.webspan.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.235.93!news.telstra.net!sa.news.telstra.net!nsw1.news.telstra.net!innfeed.telstra.net!nsw.news.telstra.net!ozemail!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Ross Irvine Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sending a Raw binary file? Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:14:30 +1100 Organization: Australian NetLink Lines: 26 Message-ID: <34B80EE6.6B7D@netlink.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: kermit.netlink.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NSCP (Win95; I) Cache-Post-Path: kermit.netlink.com.au!unknown@dl015.netlink.com.au Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8246 Hi, I'd like to know how to send a raw binary file with Kermit for DOS 3.15. The reason for this, is I want to be able to upgrade the flash rom on some ISDN modems that I have attached to kermit 3.15. I havce the instructions on how this is done without using the modem's windows 95 gui. I looked at using TRANSMIT but it waits for prompts and converts lf/cr etc so that's no good. I also looked at using TYPE, but if it's like DOS type it's end on a control-z. Obviously using SEND will be no good as it'll also send the kermit protocol information. I need a way of sending a binary file to the com port that doesn't do any convertion of cr/lf, doesn't expand \% codes etc. Any ideas? P.S Sorry if this turns up twice, you know, news servers! -- Ross Irvine B.CS/CNA E-Mail : rirvine@netlink.com.au Network Administrator Phone : +61 3 9349-2744 Victorian Breastscreen Registry Fax : +61 3 9349-2711 PO BOX 542 Carlton South, Victoria, Australia 3053 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jan 11 01:59:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA01247 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA10899 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:59:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: blag@accessone.com (J.B. Hemlock) Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: hp48 <-> linux file transfer problem with c-kermit 6.0 Date: 10 Jan 1998 22:30:39 -0800 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 9017@209.43.129.29 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.4.37/XEmacs 19.15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.hp48:75151 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8247 mcmanus@idt.net (Russell D. McManus) writes: > i'm having some trouble transferring data between my hp48 and my pc, > which is running c-kermit 6.0 under linux. > > c-kermit is receiving data; it just appears that every packet is an > error packet. the hp48 retries the transmission nine times, and each > time c-kermit registers an error packet on the full screen display. Make sure that handshaking and flow control are both set to none, and that kermit is using /dev/cua(x) instead of /dev/ttyS(x) (ie: /dev/cua1 instead of /dev/ttS1). I had the exact same problem when I first tried to transfer with C-kermit... -- Jim Anderson blag@accessone.com Jesus saves, Allah protects, and C'thulhu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jan 11 11:36:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01165 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:36:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09945 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:36:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sending a Raw binary file? Message-ID: Date: 10 Jan 98 21:20:01 MDT References: <34B80EE6.6B7D@netlink.com.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8249 In article <34B80EE6.6B7D@netlink.com.au>, Ross Irvine writes: > Hi, > I'd like to know how to send a raw binary file with Kermit for DOS > 3.15. > > The reason for this, is I want to be able to upgrade the flash rom on > some ISDN modems that I have attached to kermit 3.15. I havce the > instructions on how this is done without using the modem's windows 95 > gui. > > I looked at using TRANSMIT but it waits for prompts and converts lf/cr > etc so that's no good. I also looked at using TYPE, but if it's like DOS > type it's end on a control-z. Obviously using SEND will be no good as > it'll also send the kermit protocol information. > > I need a way of sending a binary file to the com port that doesn't do > any convertion of cr/lf, doesn't expand \% codes etc. > > Any ideas? > > P.S Sorry if this turns up twice, you know, news servers! -------- MSK wasn't designed with PROM burners or flash EPROMS in mind. Flash units should use their own particular flash programs. COPY /B is one approach, but it does no flow control. MSK is not the way to go about this. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 12 10:55:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22896 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA07842 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:55:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sending a Raw binary file? Date: 12 Jan 1998 15:55:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <69dedq$39i$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34B80EE6.6B7D@netlink.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8250 In article <34B80EE6.6B7D@netlink.com.au>, Ross Irvine wrote: : I'd like to know how to send a raw binary file with Kermit for DOS 3.15. : The reason for this, is I want to be able to upgrade the flash rom on : some ISDN modems that I have attached to kermit 3.15. I havce the : instructions on how this is done without using the modem's windows 95 : gui. : : I looked at using TRANSMIT but it waits for prompts and converts lf/cr : etc so that's no good. I also looked at using TYPE, but if it's like DOS : type it's end on a control-z. Obviously using SEND will be no good as : it'll also send the kermit protocol information. : : I need a way of sending a binary file to the com port that doesn't do : any convertion of cr/lf, doesn't expand \% codes etc. : Although it is not necessarily recommended, there is a way that might work: set file type binary set transmit prompt \0 set transmit line-feeds-sent on transmit I tested this locally on a short binary file that contains all 256 possible byte values and it worked OK. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 12 13:29:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25948 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16162 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:29:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.251.127.50!newsfeed.gte.net!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: me@me.com (WooDuck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need Kermit95 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:36:07 GMT Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 3 Sender: drwieda@207.193.131.26 Message-ID: <34bb6241.14384410@news.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.193.131.26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8251 Respectfully request Kermit95. Will trade whatever I have that you might need. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 12 13:35:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29361 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16536 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:35:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need Kermit95 Date: 12 Jan 1998 18:35:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <69dnoo$7td$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34bb6241.14384410@news.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8252 In article <34bb6241.14384410@news.flash.net>, WooDuck wrote: : Respectfully request Kermit95. Will trade whatever I have that you : might need. : The methods for obtaining Kermit 95 are listed on the web at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 12 18:50:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03944 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:50:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02620 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:50:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Nick Johns" Subject: Kermit macros and barcodes Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:28:53 -0000 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <#PQl2I7H9GA.240@nih2naab.prod2.compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!fastnet!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed.sover.net!arl-news-svc-7.compuserve.com!news-nih2naab.compuserve.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8253 Can anyone help me? Im trying to set up barcode menus to drive our database software in a Microbiology laboratory. We are currently trying out Kermit 3.15 to connect to our Unix server. We have found that kermit is a lot more configurable than our current Conductor for workgroups terminal emulator. I am trying to use Kermit macros to simplify a lot of the data entry we have to do. These macros are set up in a kermit .ini file. The Code 128 barcodes that i am using encode a key press to invoke a macro called "do what".This asks the user to supply the name of a second Macro which is also encoded in the same barcode. This seems to work after a fashion - it is fine first of all but then it seems to go haywire and instead of supplying the database application with the alpha numeric characters it should it supplies a ream of numbers interspersed with colons and semicolons and eventually the laser printer connect to the PC i am using prints out a screen dump for no apparent reason! ( I dont think that this is anything to do with the database application) Disconnecting tha laser printer causes a prompt asking whether to retry or cancel printing. I have tried using pauses between each part of the macro but this has no effect. Any advice would be much appreciated. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 12 18:55:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04700 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02903 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:55:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit macros and barcodes Date: 12 Jan 1998 23:55:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-ID: <69eai6$id9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <#PQl2I7H9GA.240@nih2naab.prod2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8254 In article <#PQl2I7H9GA.240@nih2naab.prod2.compuserve.com>, Nick Johns wrote: : Can anyone help me? Im trying to set up barcode menus to drive our database : software in a Microbiology laboratory. We are currently trying out Kermit : 3.15 to connect to our Unix server. We have found that kermit is a lot more : configurable than our current Conductor for workgroups terminal emulator. I : am trying to use Kermit macros to simplify a lot of the data entry we have : to do. These macros are set up in a kermit .ini file. The Code 128 barcodes : that i am using encode a key press to invoke a macro called "do what". : In other words, the name of the macro is "what", right? : This : asks the user to supply the name of a second Macro which is also encoded in : the same barcode. This seems to work after a fashion - it is fine first of : all but then it seems to go haywire and instead of supplying the database : application with the alpha numeric characters it should it supplies a ream : of numbers interspersed with colons and semicolons ... : You would need to provide more information, a copy of the macro definition, etc. However, this sounds to me very much like a VT220 or VT320 "primary device characteristics" response -- data that is sent by the terminal in response to ESC Z or ESC [ 0 c. : and eventually the laser : printer connect to the PC i am using prints out a screen dump for no : apparent reason! : This sounds like more escape sequences are being received, this time ones that trigger "transparent printing". : ( I dont think that this is anything to do with the : database application) Disconnecting tha laser printer causes a prompt asking : whether to retry or cancel printing. : And this confirms it. : I have tried using pauses between each : part of the macro but this has no effect. Any advice would be much : appreciated. : You'll need to send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu with complete details of your setup and a copy of your script, and a session log of a complete session. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 13 07:20:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA04191 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08319 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 07:20:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.mira.net.au!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed-in.aone.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Ross Irvine Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need Kermit95 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:09:00 +1100 Organization: Australian NetLink Lines: 19 Message-ID: <34BAE8DC.7C50@netlink.com.au> References: <34bb6241.14384410@news.flash.net> <69dnoo$7td$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kermit.netlink.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NSCP (Win95; I) Cache-Post-Path: kermit.netlink.com.au!unknown@dl322.mel.netlink.com.au Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8255 Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <34bb6241.14384410@news.flash.net>, WooDuck wrote: > : Respectfully request Kermit95. Will trade whatever I have that you > : might need. > : Trade? Purchase it legally! Besides the good feeling you get for helping these guys (and girls???) out you also get the C-Kermit Book, which is an excellent guide to kermit programing!! It's not expensive for the feature packed product it is! Regards.. Ross (Registered Owner of Kermit95) Irvine. -- Ross Irvine B.App.Sci(Comp.Sci.) CNA rirvine@netlink.com.au Communications & Network Administrator Ph : +61 3 9349-2744 BreastScreen Victoria Fax : +61 3 9349-2711 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 13 14:07:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15366 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:07:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA29045 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:07:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.sfba.home.net!cypher.cagent.com!user From: tsw@cagent.com (Tom Watson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need Kermit95 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:50:48 -0800 Organization: CagEnt, Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <34bb6241.14384410@news.flash.net> <69dnoo$7td$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <34BAE8DC.7C50@netlink.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: alfred.cagent.com Cache-Post-Path: alfred.cagent.com!unknown@cypher.cagent.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8256 In article <34BAE8DC.7C50@netlink.com.au>, Ross Irvine wrote: > Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > > In article <34bb6241.14384410@news.flash.net>, WooDuck wrote: > > : Respectfully request Kermit95. Will trade whatever I have that you > > : might need. > > : > > Trade? Purchase it legally! Besides the good feeling you get for helping > these guys (and girls???) out you also get the C-Kermit Book, which is > an excellent guide to kermit programing!! > > It's not expensive for the feature packed product it is! > I guess he doesn't understand how our system of capitalism works. Many stores will happily trade him nice green and black printed pieces of paper with wonderful pictures of deceased presidents and other elder statesmen for a nice fresh copy ready to install, complete with instructions, of Kermit 95. Why, the disks might even be labeled nicely as well. As I see it, a single picture of Ben, a couple of Uslesses' (sp?), a handful of Andrew's, less than a dozen Alexander's, a wad of Abe's, or a "whole bunch" of George's would do. Combinations of them might work as well. I'm sure the store will even give back some shiny routd things if it woesn't work out "exactly" to sweeten the deal. Try this system, you may even enjoy it!! :-) -- tsw@cagent.com (Home: tsw@johana.com) Please forward spam to: annagram@hr.house.gov (my Congressman), I do. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 13 14:13:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17340 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:13:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA29299 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:13:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Jorge Fraser" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,vmsnet.alpha Subject: HELP? Kermit on Alpha OpenVms... Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:09:01 -0600 Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.147.90.15 Message-ID: <34bbbc7a.0@news3.uswest.net> Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.uswest.net!news3.uswest.net!204.147.90.15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8257 vmsnet.alpha:6739 I had been running with no problems C-Kermit for the VAX in batch mode using scripting. We are just in the process of moving all of these utilities to the Alpha platform (OpenVMS). Every time I try to run c-kermit in batch mode I get the following message: %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't Initialize! Has anyone ran into this before? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance... From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 13 14:26:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19550 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00018 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:26:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,vmsnet.alpha Subject: Re: HELP? Kermit on Alpha OpenVms... Date: 13 Jan 1998 19:26:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <69gf5o$m5e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34bbbc7a.0@news3.uswest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8258 vmsnet.alpha:6740 In article <34bbbc7a.0@news3.uswest.net>, Jorge Fraser wrote: : I had been running with no problems C-Kermit for the VAX in batch mode using : scripting. We are just in the process of moving all of these utilities to : the Alpha platform (OpenVMS). Every time I try to run c-kermit in batch mode : I get the following message: : : %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't Initialize! : This problem should be fixed in C-Kermit 6.1, which is presently in Alpha (i.e. pre-Beta) test. I'll contact you about it offline. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 13 23:16:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18212 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:16:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA28984 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:16:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!fastnet!uunet!in1.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!lucy.cc.swin.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au!not-for-mail From: rwi@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au (Ross Irvine) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sending a binary file raw? Followup-To: poster Date: 10 Jan 1998 01:19:24 GMT Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <696ias$d94$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au NNTP-Posting-User: rwi X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8259 Hi! I'm looking into using kermit (DOs v3.15) to flash the rom's of some ISDN modems that are attached to kermit. I've got the instructions on what I need to do at the low level (Without running the ISDN modems windows gui to upgrade the rom's). My problem is I need to be able to send a binary file raw. No CR/lF conversion, which also means no kermit protocol. I've looked at transmit but that waits for line feeds and blank lines are sent with cr/lf, this is obviously no good to me. I've also looked at just "type"ing the file. But if type is anything like the DOS version of type it will see "Control-Z" as end of file and stop. How can I send a raw binary file with kermit? Thanks... Ross.. -- Ross Irvine E-Mail : rirvine@netlink.com.au B.App Sci (Comp Sci), CNA Still working on the CNE.... Communications & Network Admin Phone GSM : +61 419 565232 BreastScreen Victoria Work : +61-3-9349-2744 Fax: +61-3-9349-2711 And all round nice guy. :) WEB : http://yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au/~rwi/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 14 02:22:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA18457 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA05365 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:22:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!fastnet!uunet!in3.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Ross Irvine Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 'Remote if exist' type command Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:54:23 +1100 Organization: Australian NetLink Lines: 33 Message-ID: <34BC530F.C4C@netlink.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: kermit.netlink.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-NSCP (Win95; I) Cache-Post-Path: kermit.netlink.com.au!unknown@dlg00.netlink.com.au Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8260 I wonder is there a top prize for the most posting is this newsgroup?? :) Firsty many thanks for the help on the raw ascii file, it works perfectly.. I'm try to see if there is a cleaning way of doing the following. I have a site with kermit in server mode, and another site which dials up and exchanges some data (not in server mode). Currently from the client if I'm trying to get a file back (which sometimes is there, sometimes it isn't) I'm just doing a straight get blahh.txt from the client's script. I then check the success or failure of the get to see if the file came back. Is there a way to test the existance of a file on a remote server? REMOTE if exists doesn't work and I'll also tried REMOTE KERMIT if exist doesn't work either. It says in the C-Kermit book (page 238) for remote kermit, the the c-kermit server cannot currently respond to command sent to it by remote kermit. I assume that's why I'm not having any luck with this. Is there any other way to check the existance of a remote file without doing a get and checking for a failure? Regards.. -- Ross Irvine B.App.Sci(Comp.Sci.) CNA rirvine@netlink.com.au Communications & Network Administrator Ph : +61 3 9349-2744 BreastScreen Victoria Fax : +61 3 9349-2711 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 14 03:25:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA28901 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:25:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA08681 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:25:14 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us (Fred Smith) Subject: Re: Sending a Raw binary file? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Organization: None! Message-ID: References: <34B80EE6.6B7D@netlink.com.au> <69dedq$39i$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <34BAE6BF.2C32@netlink.com.au> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:10:40 GMT Lines: 23 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!uniserve!news.westel.com!news-sea-20.sprintlink.net!207.12.55.30!news-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-in.ConnActivity.com!fcshome!fredex Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8261 Ross Irvine (rirvine@netlink.com.au) wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > : > Although it is not necessarily recommended, there is a way that might work: : > : > set file type binary : > set transmit prompt \0 : > set transmit line-feeds-sent on : > transmit : One question.. Will variables be expanded in this situation. : Eg if the file contains \%a will the transmit expant the : value of the variable, or just pass it? Transmit does no interpretation of the file, just blasts its contents out the port. Fred ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ----------------------------- "For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." ---------------------------- Hebrews 4:12 (niv) ------------------------------ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 14 07:05:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05079 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA09012 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:05:19 -0500 (EST) From: david2020@hotmail.com Subject: escape to command mode Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 06:02:37 -0600 Message-ID: <884711083.816316424@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Deja News Posting Service Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jan 13 17:04:43 1998 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: david2020@hotmail.com X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win95; U) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 192.128.52.109 (cbpxy0.att.com) Lines: 18 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8262 I'm writing a C-kermit script to run test calls (login, password, etc.) I want to escape to the modem's command mode by using +++ to get some modem statistics (e.g. ATI6) while the connection is still up. Any thoughts on how I would accomplish this using C-Kermit? By the way, I tried OUTPUT +++\13, did not work. or OUTPUT \L OUTPUT +++\13 OUTPUT \L; did not work either. Thanks. -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 14 09:42:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26995 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:42:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16996 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:42:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 'Remote if exist' type command Date: 14 Jan 1998 14:42:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <69iit9$hrr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34BC530F.C4C@netlink.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8263 In article <34BC530F.C4C@netlink.com.au>, Ross Irvine wrote: : I have a site with kermit in server mode, and another site which dials : up and exchanges some data (not in server mode). : : Currently from the client if I'm trying to get a file back (which : sometimes is there, sometimes it isn't) I'm just doing a straight : get blahh.txt from the client's script. : : I then check the success or failure of the get to see if the file came : back. Is there a way to test the existance of a file on a remote server? : Suppose the file's name is oofa.txt. Suppose the server is C-Kermit 6.0, and the client is also of relatively recent vintage. Then the best method would be: remote query kermit files(oofa.txt) The server returns "1" if it exists, "0" if it doesn't, into the client's \v(query) variable. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 14 09:44:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27243 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17154 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:44:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: escape to command mode Date: 14 Jan 1998 14:44:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <69iivv$hsn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <884711083.816316424@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8264 In article <884711083.816316424@dejanews.com>, wrote: : I'm writing a C-kermit script to run test calls (login, password, etc.) : : I want to escape to the modem's command mode by using +++ to get some : modem statistics (e.g. ATI6) while the connection is still up. : : Any thoughts on how I would accomplish this using C-Kermit? : : By the way, I tried OUTPUT +++\13, did not work. : : or OUTPUT \L : OUTPUT +++\13 : OUTPUT \L; did not work either. : The modem's escape sequence probably requires a 1-second pause before and after; this is the famous Hayes-patented "guard time". So: pause 1 output +++ pause 1 - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 14 17:56:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA12360 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA12674 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:56:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!paralynx!news.mindlink.net!paralynx-2!van-bc!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.171.20.9!news.nkn.net!news.cybernews.net!news From: Rick Gorton Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with Kermit and Wildcat BBS on an NT Server Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:20:58 -0600 Organization: US HDI Lines: 11 Message-ID: <34BD3A49.7DF0@fastlane.net> Reply-To: gortonr@fastlane.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dallas.tnt1.170.fastlane.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8265 I am trying to send a file from a SCO box using C-Kermit, to a Wildcat BBS on an NT Server. I am using the Kermit that is a part of the Wildcat BBS. The files are transfering just fine, but I am getting a renaming of the files when they go to the BBS. The file names are numeric (such as 9999.dat). When they get to the BBS Server they are renamed to ~$9.dat. I have set file names literal, and it still does it. Just for the heck of it, I told kermit to name the file rick.dat on the BBS side and it worked just fine. It appears to not like the numbers. If anyone can give me a hint, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 14 18:16:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15615 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA13536 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:16:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with Kermit and Wildcat BBS on an NT Server Date: 14 Jan 1998 23:16:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <69jgvs$4io$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34BD3A49.7DF0@fastlane.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8266 In article <34BD3A49.7DF0@fastlane.net>, Rick Gorton wrote: : I am trying to send a file from a SCO box using C-Kermit, to a Wildcat : BBS on an NT Server. I am using the Kermit that is a part of the Wildcat : BBS. : Which doesn't work. : The files are transfering just fine, but I am getting a renaming of : the files when they go to the BBS. The file names are numeric (such as : 9999.dat). When they get to the BBS Server they are renamed to ~$9.dat. : This is the least of your problems. The BBS Kermit implementation also corrupts the file contents. : I have set file names literal, and it still does it. Just for the heck : of it, I told kermit to name the file rick.dat on the BBS side and it : worked just fine. It appears to not like the numbers. If anyone can give : me a hint, it would be greatly appreciated. : Install MS-DOS Kermit as the Kermit protocol on the BBS, replacing the built-in Wildcat one. For details see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html#bbs I assume you're running DOS-based BBS software (even though it is NT), so this should work. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 15 15:59:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14399 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19858 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:59:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news2.chicago.iagnet.net!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!ftpbox.mot.com!mothost.mot.com!news-in.cig.mot.com!news.ecid.cig.mot.com!merlin!cornellr From: cornellr@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com (Robert Cornell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: stderr under cgi Date: 15 Jan 1998 11:36:51 GMT Organization: Motorola Ltd., European Cellular Infrastructure Division Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1998Jan15.111432@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vulture.ecid.cig.mot.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8267 I have a couple of cgi scripts that perform all manner of admin tasks on a pool of modems. The scripts all work fine, however I always seem to get an error message if I call kermit from within perl. i.e: #!/usr/local/bin/kermit ... ... is OK, but: #!/usr/local/bin/perl ... system("/usr/local/bin/kermit -C script.ksc"); gives: Warning: terminal type unknown: "" Fullscreen file transfer display disabled. Is this down to the httpd not having a TERM env variable. I tried redirecting stderr, assigning \$(TERM), any ideas? TIA Robert -- © Robert Cornell - cornellr@SPAM_MAPS.ecid.cig.mot.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 15 16:29:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20416 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:29:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21363 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:29:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: stderr under cgi Date: 15 Jan 1998 21:29:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <69lv3b$e4b$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1998Jan15.111432@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8268 In article <1998Jan15.111432@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com>, Robert Cornell wrote: : I have a couple of cgi scripts that perform all manner of admin : tasks on a pool of modems. The scripts all work fine, however I : always seem to get an error message if I call kermit from within : perl. i.e: : : #!/usr/local/bin/kermit : ... : ... : is OK, but: : : #!/usr/local/bin/perl : ... : system("/usr/local/bin/kermit -C script.ksc"); : I don't understand this command line. -C means "a list of interactive-mode kermit commands follows", as in: /usr/local/bin/kermit -C "echo hi there, take script.ksc, exit" If all you want Kermit to do is execute the file script.ksc, the command line should look like this: /usr/local/bin/kermit script.ksc (see the manual). : [This] gives: : : Warning: terminal type unknown: "" : Fullscreen file transfer display disabled. : : Is this down to the httpd not having a TERM env variable. : I tried redirecting stderr, assigning \$(TERM), any ideas? : This is because Kermit is trying to initialize curses, which it uses in its (default) fullscreen file-transfer display. But since this is not an interactive session, you probably don't want any display at all, so tell it so: system("/usr/local/bin/kermit -C \"set xfer displ none,tak script.ksc\""); But if "set transfer display full" is in your Kermit initialization file, you'll probably still see the message. Anyway, the message is harmless. You can also redirect Kermit's output to a file, or /dev/null if you want to log or not see messages like this. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 15 18:57:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25273 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA29573 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:57:21 -0500 (EST) From: david2020@hotmail.com Subject: Re: escape to command mode Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:53:27 -0600 Message-ID: <884830413.2043019283@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Deja News Posting Service Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.207.0.25!nntp.texas.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail References: <884711083.816316424@dejanews.com> <69iivv$hsn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jan 15 02:13:34 1998 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: david2020@hotmail.com X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (Win95; I) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 12.68.56.183 (183.mercerville-09.nj.dial-access.att.net) Lines: 41 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8269 I tried doing that, and it seems that the modem is still not recognizing the sequence. I even initialized the modem to have no guard time (ats12=0) and still it didn't recognize the escape char. I also tried changing the output pacing, but still the same.. no luck. Any thoughts? Thanks. p.s. There are no problems if I do it manually. In article <69iivv$hsn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > > In article <884711083.816316424@dejanews.com>, wrote: > : I'm writing a C-kermit script to run test calls (login, password, etc.) > : > : I want to escape to the modem's command mode by using +++ to get some > : modem statistics (e.g. ATI6) while the connection is still up. > : > : Any thoughts on how I would accomplish this using C-Kermit? > : > : By the way, I tried OUTPUT +++\13, did not work. > : > : or OUTPUT \L > : OUTPUT +++\13 > : OUTPUT \L; did not work either. > : > The modem's escape sequence probably requires a 1-second pause before and > after; this is the famous Hayes-patented "guard time". So: > > pause 1 > output +++ > pause 1 > > - Frank -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 15 19:25:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00776 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA01125 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:25:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: escape to command mode Date: 16 Jan 1998 00:25:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 79 Message-ID: <69m9e4$k7a$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <884711083.816316424@dejanews.com> <69iivv$hsn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <884830413.2043019283@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8270 In article <884830413.2043019283@dejanews.com>, wrote: : In article <69iivv$hsn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: : > In article <884711083.816316424@dejanews.com>, wrt: : > : I'm writing a C-kermit script to run test calls (login, password, etc.) : > : : > : I want to escape to the modem's command mode by using +++ to get some : > : modem statistics (e.g. ATI6) while the connection is still up. : > : : > : Any thoughts on how I would accomplish this using C-Kermit? : > : : > : By the way, I tried OUTPUT +++\13, did not work. : > : : > : or OUTPUT \L : > : OUTPUT +++\13 : > : OUTPUT \L; did not work either. : > : : > The modem's escape sequence probably requires a 1-second pause before and : > after; this is the famous Hayes-patented "guard time". So: : > : > pause 1 : > output +++ : > pause 1 : : I tried doing that... > Did you leave the "\13" off the "OUTPUT +++" command? : ... and it seems that the modem is still not recognizing : the sequence. I even initialized the modem to have no guard time : (ats12=0) and still it didn't recognize the escape char. : : I also tried changing the output pacing, but still the same.. no luck. : : There are no problems if I do it manually. : The idea of scripting is to make it do whatever you do manually. How long do you wait before typing +++? How long does it take before the OK message appears? In any case, we could spend all year trying to second-guess your modem. Either there is a guard time or there isn't. If there is, then whatever it is, you have to wait that amount of time before and after. Be consertive: msleep 1500 output +++ ; <-- NOTE: no \13 here msleep 1500 Give it another half-second on each side. It is possible to change the escape character to something other than "+", but I doubt this applies here since you say it works by hand. If there is no guard time, then let us hope the modem has some way to distinguish your "escaping-back +++" from a "+++" sequence that happens to appear in the data (such as this text; are you still with me? :-) The common schemes are: . Use BREAK or Long BREAK for getting back to the command processor. . The modem uses "TIES" "technology" (= Time Independent Escape Sequence); a dangerous scheme used by some modem companies to avoid having to pay Hayes to let them use their patented guard time idea. In any case, if you can do it by hand, you can script it. Really. Just make the script do exactly what your hands and eyes did. By the way, note that the +++ is transmitted by the modem to the other side, so it is sent to the system (terminal server, whatever) that answered the phone, and is most likely echoed back to the remote modem, which better be configured to ignore it, or it too will pop back into command mode and then your connection will be unusable from that point on. Personally, I always though the transition between online and command modes should be controllable by a wire (after all, we're only using 8 or 10 out of 25 of the circuits defined in RS-232 for asynchronous modems), but I guess it's about 30 years too late for that idea to catch on... - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 16 13:19:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25267 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12232 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:19:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!newshub.netnews.att.com!news From: David Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Connect error message Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:08:38 -0500 Organization: AT&T, Columbus, Ohio Lines: 20 Message-ID: <34BFA226.E9336AF9@worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: david.abis@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 135.21.58.* Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8271 I want to dial in to my ISP, initiate PPP, then go back to modem's command mode to query the modem using ATI6. I was able to dial in, start pppd using !pppd (options) &, then when I want to connect back to the modem, C-kermit gives an error message "Sorry, Can't condition communication line". Is there a way to talk to the modem's command mode while PPP is running? Also, I'm thinking of stopping PPP before escaping to the command mode (e.g. +++) for the modem to understand the escape chars (before issuing ATI6), then re-establish PPP for the IP stuff. Is this the right way of getting modem stats without disconnecting the link? Thanks in advance for any help. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 16 14:25:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09245 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15853 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:25:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.sfba.home.net!cypher.cagent.com!user From: tsw@cagent.com (Tom Watson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need Kermit95 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:55:00 -0800 Organization: CagEnt, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <34ba61d0.14271858@news.flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: alfred.cagent.com Cache-Post-Path: alfred.cagent.com!unknown@cypher.cagent.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8272 In article <34ba61d0.14271858@news.flash.net>, me@me.com (WooDuck) wrote: > Willing to trade whatever I have for Kermit95. > Can anyone oblige me? I (or anyone else for that matter) will likely trade $54 for it. You can too. A juant over to the local computer store, and they will be more than happy to trade your money (in whatever form) for this wonderful package. Try looking at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Which has ALL the information!! -- tsw@cagent.com (Home: tsw@johana.com) Please forward spam to: annagram@hr.house.gov (my Congressman), I do. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 16 15:04:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18159 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:04:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17815 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:04:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: "Mark Gibson" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: hp vectra cpi viva 28.8 Date: 16 Jan 1998 20:03:30 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <69oeei$n1p@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.67.212.198 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8273 Hello, I'm having trouble with the modem that comes with an HP Vectra computer. We believe its c CPI Viva 28.8. It uses the rockwell 28.8 chipset. The user is using kerm95. The problem is kermit cant see the modem, fails on initialization etc. According to them, it worked before but now it doesn't. Anyone have any problems or suggestions concerning this modem? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 16 15:22:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21477 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:22:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18673 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:22:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connect error message Date: 16 Jan 1998 20:22:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <69ofhs$hdu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34BFA226.E9336AF9@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8274 In article <34BFA226.E9336AF9@worldnet.att.net>, David wrote: : : I want to dial in to my ISP, initiate PPP, then go back to modem's : command mode to query the modem using ATI6. : : I was able to dial in, start pppd using !pppd (options) &, then when I : want to connect back to the modem, C-kermit gives an error message : "Sorry, Can't condition communication line". : : Is there a way to talk to the modem's command mode while PPP is running? : : Also, I'm thinking of stopping PPP before escaping to the command mode : (e.g. +++) for the modem to understand the escape chars (before issuing : ATI6), then re-establish PPP for the IP stuff. Is this the right way : of getting modem stats without disconnecting the link? : : Thanks in advance for any help. No can do. Once PPPD starts you can not access the modem unless: . you stop PPPD . PPPD provides some kind of debug mode to perform the query. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 16 16:17:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05949 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21433 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:17:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: hp vectra cpi viva 28.8 Date: 16 Jan 1998 21:17:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <69oios$j63$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <69oeei$n1p@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8275 In article <69oeei$n1p@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, Mark Gibson wrote: : I'm having trouble with the modem that comes with an HP Vectra computer. : We believe its c CPI Viva 28.8. It uses the rockwell 28.8 chipset. The : user is using kerm95. The problem is kermit cant see the modem, fails on : initialization etc. According to them, it worked before but now it : doesn't. Anyone have any problems or suggestions concerning this modem? : RPI modems, Winmodems, etc, can't be used through the "set port com1" (or com2, etc) interface. They can only be used through tapi: set modem type tapi set line tapi You need Kermit 95 1.1.15 (the current version) for this. If that's not what you have, you can patch up to it at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html If you use the Dialer, the corresponding adjustments there too. Also in your K95CUSTOM.INI file in case you have a "set port com1" or similar command in it. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 16 19:43:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA18155 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:43:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA02416 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:43:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.171.20.9!news.nkn.net!news.cybernews.net!news From: Rick Gorton Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with Kermit and Wildcat BBS on an NT Server Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:20:43 -0600 Organization: CyberNews Network Lines: 8 Message-ID: <34BEA7DB.89BC6CDB@fastlane.net> References: <34BD3A49.7DF0@fastlane.net> Reply-To: gortonr@fastlane.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dallas.tnt1.25.fastlane.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8276 I got it! FYI... set repeat count off! -- (Ô¿Ô) http://www.rogerdidit.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 16 19:52:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA19490 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA02923 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:52:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with Kermit and Wildcat BBS on an NT Server Date: 17 Jan 1998 00:52:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <69ovcl$pv9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34BD3A49.7DF0@fastlane.net> <34BEA7DB.89BC6CDB@fastlane.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8277 In article <34BEA7DB.89BC6CDB@fastlane.net>, Rick Gorton wrote: : I got it! FYI... set repeat count off! : I think I mentioned that this is only one of the problems in their Kermit implementation. The other one has no workaround, unless they have corrected it in the copy you are using. Try downloading a file from the BBS that contains uppercase letter Y's, then see how they look after transfer. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 20 12:01:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29904 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10176 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:01:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.ececs.uc.edu!not-for-mail From: "Charles Hart Enzer, M.D." Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VT-222 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:55:17 -0800 Organization: University of Cincinnati, ECE/CS News Server Lines: 16 Message-ID: <34C50125.59F6@uc.edu> Reply-To: Charles.Enzer@uc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: ucxy13-07.slip.uc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-POLNET (Win16; U) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8280 I want to dial into a BBS using VT-220 emulation. How can I get Kermit to do this? Thank you. -- - Charles - + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 2925 Vernon Place, Suite 202 | | Cincinnati, Ohio 45219-2425 | | Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. Email: Charles.Enzer@uc.EDU | | Web: www.uc.edu/~enzerch | | Voice: 513.281.2017 | | Fax: Call First | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 20 12:13:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02232 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10733 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:13:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT-222 Date: 20 Jan 1998 17:13:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6a2m0d$ko3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34C50125.59F6@uc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8281 In article <34C50125.59F6@uc.edu>, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. wrote: : I want to dial into a BBS using VT-220 emulation. : How can I get Kermit to do this? : Which Kermit program? Which version? On which kind of computer? Running which operating system and version? Let's assume you have MS-DOS Kermit. The best way to find out how to use it is to consult the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", which should be available in your local computer or book store. It tells you how to install the program, set it up for dialing, select and use the desired terminal emulation, transfer files, and write scripts to automate all of the above, and more. More about Kermit manuals at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 20 12:17:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03254 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10978 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:17:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ais.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!news.tno.it!usenet From: "M.Assunta Apollonio" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: e-mail client using kermit Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:44:27 +0100 Organization: Tecnopolis CSATA N.O. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6a2k0f$cbt@sirio.tno.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: apollonio.tno.it X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8282 I need to find an e-mail client that runs in windows environment and that interfaces itself with a post-office running in Unix operating system. Moreover, that client need to comunicate with the server via kermit or another protocol like it (z-modem, x-modem,...). Thanks in advance From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 20 19:24:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01621 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA10813 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:24:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.117.161.1!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!news-2.csn.net!not-for-mail From: "Zen" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: login Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:04:04 -0700 Organization: SuperNet Inc. +1.303.285.0194 Denver Colorado Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6a3dp7$g8t$1@news-2.csn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.168.190.155 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8284 I am trying to login into a QNX box from an HP Unix box and I can not get Kermit to send the login or password. I have tried to use the SCRIPT command and the OUTPUT command both of which didn't work. Here is my .mykemrc file that runs when I start Kermit. set terminal bytesize 8 set modem hayes set line /dev/tty0p7 set speed 9600 dial ##### connect output"login used"\13 or script "login used" After I get this to work I have to receive a file that will be transfered from the host automatically with Kermit. If anyone can help me do these two things I would appreciate greatly. I am using Kermit 5a From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 20 20:11:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10884 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA14602 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:11:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: login Date: 21 Jan 1998 01:11:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6a3hvm$746$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6a3dp7$g8t$1@news-2.csn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8285 In article <6a3dp7$g8t$1@news-2.csn.net>, Zen wrote: : I am trying to login into a QNX box from an HP Unix box and I can not get : Kermit to send the login or password. I have tried to use the SCRIPT : command and the OUTPUT command both of which didn't work. Here is my : .mykemrc file that runs when I start Kermit. : : set terminal bytesize 8 : set modem hayes : set line /dev/tty0p7 : set speed 9600 : dial ##### : connect : output"login used"\13 or script "login used" : : After I get this to work I have to receive a file that will be transfered : from the host automatically with Kermit. : : If anyone can help me do these two things I would appreciate greatly. : (a) omit the CONNECT command. (b) read the manual: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 21 16:24:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22805 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13938 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:24:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news2.chicago.iagnet.net!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!ftpbox.mot.com!mothost.mot.com!news-in.cig.mot.com!news.ecid.cig.mot.com!merlin!cornellr From: cornellr@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com (Robert Cornell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: stderr under cgi Date: 21 Jan 1998 21:02:13 GMT Organization: Motorola Ltd., European Cellular Infrastructure Division Lines: 34 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1998Jan21.201529@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lanner.ecid.cig.mot.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8286 Thanks for you comments Frank. My first post was a little unclear, let me clarify. #!/opt/rat/bin/perl $|=1; print "Content-type: text/plain", "\n\n"; system ("/opt/rat/bin/kermit -C \"set xfer displ none,echo \\v(term),quit\""); exit(0); Displays: Warning: terminal type unknown: "" Fullscreen file transfer display disabled. unknown Which is strange as: #!/opt/rat/bin/kermit echo "Content-type: text/plain" echo echo {\v(term)} quit Happily Displays: unknown Without a warning, but if you add a switch statement and a couple of function calls (i.e. Nothing related to the screen/term/output) you can generate a warning! I have tried to redirect stderr to no effect. Your (and others) comments would suggest that warnings are placed on stdin, could you confirm/deny. FYI 193 Alpha 10 dosen't display this behaivior! Robert -- © Robert Cornell - cornellr@ecid.cig.mot.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 21 16:43:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28337 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:43:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14978 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:43:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: stderr under cgi Date: 21 Jan 1998 21:43:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6a5q5e$7it$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1998Jan21.201529@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8287 In article <1998Jan21.201529@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com>, Robert Cornell wrote: : Thanks for you comments Frank. My first post was a little unclear, let me : clarify. : : #!/opt/rat/bin/perl : $|=1; : print "Content-type: text/plain", "\n\n"; : system("/opt/rat/bin/kermit -C \"set xfer displ none,echo \\v(term),quit\""); : exit(0); : : Displays: : Warning: terminal type unknown: "" : Fullscreen file transfer display disabled. : unknown : : Which is strange as: : #!/opt/rat/bin/kermit : echo "Content-type: text/plain" : echo : echo {\v(term)} : quit : : Happily Displays: : unknown : You might be better off testing \$(TERM). : Without a warning, but if you add a switch statement and a couple of : function calls (i.e. Nothing related to the screen/term/output) you can : generate a warning! I have tried to redirect stderr to no effect. Your : (and others) comments would suggest that warnings are placed on stdin, could : you confirm/deny. : : FYI 193 Alpha 10 dosen't display this behaivior! : So which version does? Does your complaint concern Alpha.11 or is it about an older version? If it's about an older version, I'd say "case closed", it's fixed in the forthcoming 6.1 release. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 22 19:23:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10325 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA08900 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:23:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!news.u.washington.edu!homer39.u.washington.edu!bbaldwin From: "B. Baldwin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 ALT-X Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:12:51 -0800 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: homer39.u.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: nntp6.u.washington.edu 885514377 18726 (None) 140.142.64.4 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-User: bbaldwin Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8289 When I hit ALT-X to exit to the command line from the terminal screen, I show a message saying "Trying 140.142.14.xxx" (the xxx being a different number each time). What is it trying to do? and how do I turn it off?. I am using Kermit as a telnet connection (ethernet). From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 22 19:40:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14762 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA09876 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:40:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 ALT-X Date: 23 Jan 1998 00:40:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6a8otf$227$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8290 In article , B. Baldwin wrote: : When I hit ALT-X to exit to the command line from the terminal screen, I : show a message saying "Trying 140.142.14.xxx" (the xxx being a different : number each time). What is it trying to do? and how do I turn it off?. I : am using Kermit as a telnet connection (ethernet). : Evidently your copy of Kermit 95 is executing a script. Every time you return from the terminal screen, it executes the next line of the script, which is a TELNET command for another host. How are you starting K95? From the Dialer, or directly? What is in your K95.INI and K95CUSTOM.INI files? Send details by email to: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 23 07:11:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA03181 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:11:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA10636 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:11:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT-222 Message-ID: Date: 20 Jan 98 16:15:56 MDT References: <34C50125.59F6@uc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8291 In article <34C50125.59F6@uc.edu>, "Charles Hart Enzer, M.D." writes: > I want to dial into a BBS using VT-220 emulation. > > How can I get Kermit to do this? -------- For which operating system and version of Kermit? SET TERM whaterver works, as does glancing at the documentation. For dialing assistance please look at the extensive distribution docs. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 23 14:35:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28999 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03953 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:35:18 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.stealth.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!mozart.jlc.net!Pgsherm From: gsherman@remove_this.jlc.net (Glenn Sherman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: need file transfer info Date: 23 Jan 1998 18:40:38 GMT Organization: Granite State Software Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6aao76$97n$1@mozart.jlc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm2-149.dialup.jlc.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8292 Can someone point me in the right direction. I am trying to speed up a kermit file transfer between a Qnx comp. and win95. When using K95 to telnet (TCP/IP) into my Qnx computer, I want to send a file back to the win95 computer. I log into the Qnx computer and issue kermit -i -s filename A 666624 byte file takes 1 min 52 secs to transfer ( 5952 CPS ) If I use ftp to send the same file, it takes 1.4 sec ( 455 kb/sec ) I tried 'set tcp recvbuf 25000' & 'set tcp sendbuf 25000' but no changes. Thanks, Glenn From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 23 15:11:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05961 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05777 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:11:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: need file transfer info Date: 23 Jan 1998 20:11:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6aath0$137$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6aao76$97n$1@mozart.jlc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8293 In article <6aao76$97n$1@mozart.jlc.net>, Glenn Sherman wrote: : I am trying to speed up a kermit file transfer between a Qnx comp. and : win95. When using K95 to telnet (TCP/IP) into my Qnx computer, I want : to send a file back to the win95 computer. : I log into the Qnx computer and issue : : kermit -i -s filename : : A 666624 byte file takes 1 min 52 secs to transfer ( 5952 CPS ) : : If I use ftp to send the same file, it takes 1.4 sec ( 455 kb/sec ) : I tried 'set tcp recvbuf 25000' & 'set tcp sendbuf 25000' but no : changes. : C-Kermit 6.0 on QNX is documented in the "Using C-Kermit" book that came with your copy of Kermit 95. See the chapter on performance for details. Also see our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt If you want to see a dramatic difference without doing any reading first, try this: kermit -i -Q -s filename (add the "-Q" (uppercase) command-line option; mnemonic Quick -- equivalent to the FAST command). This increases the Kermit packet length and window size. You should not need to mess with the TCP parameters except under exceptional circumstances. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 23 18:14:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06885 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA15257 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:13:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!mozart.jlc.net!Pgsherm From: gsherman@remove_this.jlc.net (Glenn Sherman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: need file transfer info Date: 23 Jan 1998 23:07:38 GMT Organization: Granite State Software Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6ab7rq$dps$1@mozart.jlc.net> References: <6aao76$97n$1@mozart.jlc.net> <6aath0$137$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-131.dialup.jlc.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8294 >If you want to see a dramatic difference without doing any reading first, >try this: > > kermit -i -Q -s filename > >(add the "-Q" (uppercase) command-line option; mnemonic Quick -- equivalent >to the FAST command). This increases the Kermit packet length and window >size. You should not need to mess with the TCP parameters except under >exceptional circumstances. > >- Frank What kind of speed (cps) should I expect to get with kermit over TCP/IP ? I am assuming you were talking about chapter 12 in the manual. using the -Q option boosted the transfer to 28000 cps. thanks, Glenn From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jan 24 08:04:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA18069 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA26522 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:04:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!benburb.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: joe mc cool Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit and nfs Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:19:16 +0000 Organization: Tangent Computer Research Message-ID: <34C83664.167E@benburb.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: benburb.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: benburb.demon.co.uk [158.152.26.72] X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SCO_SV 3.2 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8295 how can I set up Kermit 95 on a W95 pc to support an NFS service to a SCO Unix 5.04 machine please -- joe mc cool The more you say the less the better. ======================================================================== Tangent Computer Research internet : joe@benburb.demon.co.uk Benburb compuserve: 100117,2613 N. Ireland voice : (044) 1861 548074 BT71 7LN fax : (044) 1861 549860 ======================================================================== From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jan 24 10:13:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02493 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03210 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:13:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and nfs Date: 24 Jan 1998 15:13:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6ad0ee$4t8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34C83664.167E@benburb.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8296 In article <34C83664.167E@benburb.demon.co.uk>, joe mc cool wrote: : how can I set up Kermit 95 on a W95 pc to support an NFS service to a : SCO Unix 5.04 machine I'm sorry but you can't. K95 is a Telnet and Rlogin TCP/IP client. It is not an NFS client. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 26 00:28:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29496 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:28:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA20045 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:28:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.warwick.net!news From: 71231.104@compuserve.com (Richard Slobod) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: login Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 05:14:02 GMT Organization: Warwick Online Lines: 18 Message-ID: <34cc1a60.1571184@news.warwick.net> References: <6a3dp7$g8t$1@news-2.csn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: m202-04.warwick.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8298 "Zen" wrote: >I am trying to login into a QNX box from an HP Unix box and I can not get >Kermit to send the login or password. I have tried to use the SCRIPT >command and the OUTPUT command both of which didn't work. Here is my >.mykemrc file that runs when I start Kermit. > >set terminal bytesize 8 >set modem hayes >set line /dev/tty0p7 >set speed 9600 >dial ##### >connect >output"login used"\13 or script "login used" The "connect" command switches Kermit into interactive terminal mode and suspends script processing. Try either removing that command or moving it to the end of the script, depending upon what exactly you're trying to accomplish. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 26 10:57:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13905 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08168 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:57:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: need file transfer info Date: 26 Jan 1998 15:57:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6aibou$j0o$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6aao76$97n$1@mozart.jlc.net> <6aath0$137$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6ab7rq$dps$1@mozart.jlc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8301 In article <6ab7rq$dps$1@mozart.jlc.net>, Glenn Sherman wrote: : >If you want to see a dramatic difference without doing any reading first, : >try this: : > : > kermit -i -Q -s filename : > : >(add the "-Q" (uppercase) command-line option; mnemonic Quick -- equivalent : >to the FAST command). This increases the Kermit packet length and window : >size. You should not need to mess with the TCP parameters except under : >exceptional circumstances. : > : >- Frank : : What kind of speed (cps) should I expect to get with kermit over TCP/IP ? : That would depend on the underlying communications medium: Dialup, 10Mbps Ethernet, 100Mbps Ethernet, etc. On the faster mediums, the computer tends to become the bottleneck. It also depends on whether you are making a connection from one node on your local net to another on the same net, or if you are going out over the Internet, and to what extent the net (and each segment of it, and each router, etc) are congested. : I am assuming you were talking about chapter 12 in the manual. : Right, Chapter 12 of "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition (1997), or Chapter 8 of the first edition. : using the -Q option boosted the transfer to 28000 cps. : That would be pretty good for a V.34 PPP connection, not very good for a direct Ethernet connection. For long-haul TCP/IP connections, rates can vary just as much as FTP; in this case the net itself tends to be the bottleneck. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 26 14:48:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04092 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA20617 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:48:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!mozart.jlc.net!Pgsherm From: gsherman@remove_this.jlc.net (Glenn Sherman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: need file transfer info Date: 26 Jan 1998 19:24:44 GMT Organization: Granite State Software Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6aints$kb9$1@mozart.jlc.net> References: <6aao76$97n$1@mozart.jlc.net> <6aath0$137$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6ab7rq$dps$1@mozart.jlc.net> <6aibou$j0o$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-134.dialup.jlc.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8302 >: What kind of speed (cps) should I expect to get with kermit over TCP/IP ? >: >That would depend on the underlying communications medium: Dialup, 10Mbps >Ethernet, 100Mbps Ethernet, etc. On the faster mediums, the computer tends >to become the bottleneck. It also depends on whether you are making a >connection from one node on your local net to another on the same net, or if >you are going out over the Internet, and to what extent the net (and each >segment of it, and each router, etc) are congested. > >: using the -Q option boosted the transfer to 28000 cps. >: >That would be pretty good for a V.34 PPP connection, not very good for a >direct Ethernet connection. For long-haul TCP/IP connections, rates can >vary just as much as FTP; in this case the net itself tends to be the >bottleneck. Sorry, It is a local network connection over 10Mbps Ethernet. -Glenn From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 26 15:05:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07221 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:04:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23523 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:04:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: need file transfer info Date: 26 Jan 1998 20:04:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6aiq9a$ruo$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6aao76$97n$1@mozart.jlc.net> <6ab7rq$dps$1@mozart.jlc.net> <6aibou$j0o$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6aints$kb9$1@mozart.jlc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8303 In article <6aints$kb9$1@mozart.jlc.net>, Glenn Sherman wrote: : >: What kind of speed (cps) should I expect to get with kermit over TCP/IP ? : >: : >That would depend on the underlying communications medium: Dialup, 10Mbps : >Ethernet, 100Mbps Ethernet, etc. On the faster mediums, the computer tends : >to become the bottleneck. It also depends on whether you are making a : >connection from one node on your local net to another on the same net, or if : >you are going out over the Internet, and to what extent the net (and each : >segment of it, and each router, etc) are congested. : > : >: using the -Q option boosted the transfer to 28000 cps. : >: : >That would be pretty good for a V.34 PPP connection, not very good for a : >direct Ethernet connection. For long-haul TCP/IP connections, rates can : >vary just as much as FTP; in this case the net itself tends to be the : >bottleneck. : : Sorry, It is a local network connection over 10Mbps Ethernet. : Then 28000 cps is not very good. You can expect anywhere from 0 cps to 1000000 cps, depending on: 1. The load on the local net (collision rate, etc, watch the lights). 2. The load on the two end systems. 3. The settings and configuration of the two Kermit programs. 4. The nature of the data (e.g. how compressible it is). The newer the Kermit program, the faster it will go, as we have been working on performance in each new release. Current releases, such as C-Kermit 6.0 and Kermit 95 1.1.15, can, with proper tuning, go at maybe 30-50 percent of FTP speed. The next round of releases will be comparable to FTP and faster in some cases. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 26 21:56:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22906 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA14926 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:56:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.sprintisp.com!sprintisp!not-for-mail From: "David M. Venus" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Exit status of external protocols - HELP ! Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:54:53 -0500 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <34CDF53D.6300@sprintmail.com> Reply-To: dvenus@sprintmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.67.26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SI300B01 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8304 Hi ! I am using Kermit 6.0.192 on HP-UX 10.10 with external protocols. Specifically I am using lrzsz with the Xmodem protocol (sx). When the transfer fails I see the message: ?Command exited with status: 1. I have determined this comes from the module ckvtio.c (? I think that is the right one :-). However this value is not placed in \v(status) variable. Right after the send I have an IF FAILURE forward LABEL statement. Kermit ought to follow this branch because the transfer failed but does not it executes the echo statment after that that says the transfer was successful ! :-( Is there a patch to fix this problem ? If not how can I code/script around this problem ? I don't have a choice of using another protocol :-(( as the system on the other end only supports "old" 128 byte record Xmodem (not even Xmodem-1K !). Please help ! Any suggestions will be gratefully accepted. Please e-mail if possible to: dvenus@hotmail.com. Thanks, Dave Venus SysAdmin/DBA Metromont Materials Spartanburg, SC. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 27 07:02:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02784 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:02:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA10481 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:02:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!duke.telepac.pt!news.telepac.pt!not-for-mail From: cel@mail.telepac.pt (Paul Vieira) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 vs. DialUp Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:54:08 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6akhrj$a50$1@duke.telepac.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.65.180.3 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8307 Hi, I need to transfer files (text and databases) between 2 PC's using Windows 95 at different offices. I'm considering to use DialUp from Microsoft to connect both PC's and make the transfers. Can I use Kermit 95 over the DialUp connection? Or is Kermit 95 (only) better then DialUp to make the connection and do the transfer? Thank you. Paul Vieira cel@mail.telepac.pt From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 27 10:29:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01410 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21307 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:29:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Exit status of external protocols - HELP ! Date: 27 Jan 1998 15:29:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6akufu$4a8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34CDF53D.6300@sprintmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8308 In article <34CDF53D.6300@sprintmail.com>, David M. Venus wrote: : I am using Kermit 6.0.192 on HP-UX 10.10 with external protocols. : Specifically I am using lrzsz with the Xmodem protocol (sx). When : the transfer fails I see the message: ?Command exited with status: 1. : I have determined this comes from the module ckvtio.c (? I think that is : the right one :-). However this value is not placed in \v(status) : variable. Right after the send I have an IF FAILURE forward LABEL : statement. Kermit ought to follow this branch because the transfer : failed but does not it executes the echo statment after that that says : the transfer was successful ! :-( : : Is there a patch to fix this problem ? If not how can I code/script : around this problem ? I don't have a choice of using another protocol : :-(( as the system on the other end only supports "old" 128 byte record : Xmodem (not even Xmodem-1K !). : I'll contact you directly about this. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 27 10:39:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05247 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:39:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21981 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:39:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 vs. DialUp Date: 27 Jan 1998 10:38:59 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6akv2j$53e@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6akhrj$a50$1@duke.telepac.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8309 In article <6akhrj$a50$1@duke.telepac.pt>, Paul Vieira wrote: : I need to transfer files (text and databases) between 2 PC's using : Windows 95 at different offices. I'm considering to use DialUp from : Microsoft to connect both PC's and make the transfers. Can I use : Kermit 95 over the DialUp connection? Or is Kermit 95 (only) better : then DialUp to make the connection and do the transfer? : The easiest, simplest, and lowest-overhead way to do this is with a direct dialed connection between the two PCs. The answering PC should be running Kermit 95 host mode. The calling PC dials the answering PC's number, logs in, sees the hostmode menu, and transfers the desired files. More info about K95 host mode at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95host.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 27 20:46:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13598 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA23780 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:46:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.sprintisp.com!sprintisp!not-for-mail From: "David M. Venus" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Exit status of external protocols - HELP ! Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:44:18 -0500 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <34CF3632.76B@sprintmail.com> References: <34CDF53D.6300@sprintmail.com> <6akufu$4a8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dvenus@sprintmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.67.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SI300B01 (Win95; I) To: Frank da Cruz Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8310 Hi ! Thanks for the quick reply ! I have found in further testing today that the REDIRECT command seems to return a status validly to \v(status) but that the send command does not. Also the status of: set take error on/off seems to also make a large difference in how both commands work. You can call me 8:30 AM. - 5:00 PM. EST. at 864-594-7203. Dave Venus. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 28 04:12:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA02232 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA18471 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:12:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.btx.dtag.de!news.btx.dtag.de!not-for-mail From: RainerKulhanek@t-online.de (Rainer Kulhanek) Newsgroups: de.comp.os.sinix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: BA80 Terminal Zeichensaetze? Date: 28 Jan 1998 01:38:14 GMT Organization: T-Online Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6am266$21a$1@news02.btx.dtag.de> References: <6a7ooh$ae4$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sender: 777000059063-0001@t-online.de Keywords: BA80 X-Newsreader: CrossPoint v3.11 R/C19886 X-Mailer: UKA_PPP 1.6x6 Xref: news.columbia.edu de.comp.os.sinix:1443 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8311 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu meinte am 22.01.98 zum Thema "BA80 Terminal Zeichensaetze?" im Brett /de/comp/os/sinix: >Ich habe das Problem, das BA80 zu emulieren. Wir haben BA80 > >ich weiss, das ist nicht ganz richtig. Ich kann's nicht >glauben, es gibt ein Terminal ohne Manual. Doch es gibt, notfalls kann ich eines zuschicken. > >Wir haben ein User der sagt, das BA80 ist wirklich nicht von >SNI, sondern von Targon, gemacht Targon war ein Rechnerreihe von Nixdorf > >Jedenfalls ich muss wissen, was fuer Zeichensaetze dieses Terminal >gebraucht? Welche Zeichensatz fuer Umlaute und fuer Box-Drawing? Siehe gesonderte Mail. Ich muss erst in unseren alten Unterlagen suchen.> Servus |) |\ainer -- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 28 10:22:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22034 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:22:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26729 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:22:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Exit status of external protocols - HELP ! Date: 28 Jan 1998 15:22:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6anift$c14$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34CDF53D.6300@sprintmail.com> <6akufu$4a8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <34CF3632.76B@sprintmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8312 In article <34CF3632.76B@sprintmail.com>, David M. Venus wrote: : Thanks for the quick reply ! : : I have found in further testing today that the REDIRECT command seems to : return a status validly to \v(status) but that the send command does : not. Also the status of: set take error on/off seems to also make a : large difference in how both commands work. : I sent you mail earlier asking you to try something and report back. Did you try it? Please take this offline and report back to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Thanks. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 28 16:31:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12500 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA16142 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:30:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!fastnet!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.temple.edu!thunder.temple.edu!not-for-mail From: mmoreno@thunder.ocis.temple.edu (Beautiful Asterid) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: frequent timeouts! Date: 28 Jan 1998 21:28:49 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6ao7uh$9qf$1@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: thunder.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8313 hello thank you for taking the time to read this, i'm experiencing a problem with kermit v6 and Solaris 5.5.1. what happens i have an expect script executing a few things and it's recently been 'erroring' out. running kermit manually shows that the app 'times' out after about 50 or so seconds. i've tried using 'truss' to see why and where and how but... i'm afraid that it's not been of much help. i've tested the port, phone line and connection with other machines, unfortunately their different platforms so... (do not support expect :( ) ANY hints/pointers would ROCK! advthanksance, -- Mario Moreno Patron Saint of the Apocalypse and his machines of love and grace _________________\|/__________________ ----===psypher===---- /|\ S 0 M E T 1 M E Z at H O T M A I L dot C O M When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. The Pain is Yours but the Pleasure's Mine! From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 28 16:51:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17604 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17236 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:51:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: frequent timeouts! Date: 28 Jan 1998 21:51:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6ao98e$p4h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ao7uh$9qf$1@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8314 In article <6ao7uh$9qf$1@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, Beautiful Asterid wrote: : thank you for taking the time to read this, i'm experiencing a problem : with kermit v6 and Solaris 5.5.1. what happens i have an expect : script executing a few things and it's recently been 'erroring' out. : running kermit manually shows that the app 'times' out after about : 50 or so seconds. i've tried using 'truss' to see why and where and how : but... i'm afraid that it's not been of much help. : i've tested the port, phone line and connection with other machines, : unfortunately their different platforms so... (do not support expect :( ) : We don't support expect either. You might not be aware that C-Kermit includes its own script programming language, fully documented in the manual, "Using C-Kermit": http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html This language is portable across many platforms (UNIX, VMS, DOS, Windows, etc) and it is integrated into Kermit so you don't get into the kind of trouble you have when you try to control C-Kermit from expect. So as the doctor says, "if it hurts, don't do it". Just get a copy of the C-Kermit manual and read the chapters on automation, as well as on troubleshooting of connections, etc, and then if you have specific questions or problems to report, then send them to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 28 20:33:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04922 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA28823 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:33:48 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!pln-e!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!ix.netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: Re: frequent timeouts! Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <6ao7uh$9qf$1@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> <6ao98e$p4h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:23:03 GMT Lines: 31 Sender: gerlach@netcom18.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8315 In article <6ao98e$p4h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >We don't support expect either. You might not be aware that C-Kermit >includes its own script programming language, fully documented in the >manual, "Using C-Kermit": > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html > >This language is portable across many platforms (UNIX, VMS, DOS, Windows, >etc) and it is integrated into Kermit so you don't get into the kind of >trouble you have when you try to control C-Kermit from expect. So as the >doctor says, "if it hurts, don't do it". Just get a copy of the C-Kermit >manual and read the chapters on automation, as well as on troubleshooting >of connections, etc, and then if you have specific questions or problems to >report, then send them to kermit-support@columbia.edu. > >- Frank The kermit scripting language is a greate thing, most notably the fact that kermit scripts will run on many platforms. That being said I find it very beneficial to control C-Kermit from Expect, and I work for a company that does a lot of it. The main benefit is that one might need to write a script that controls many serial connections in conjuction with many connections to regular UNIX programs. This appears to be easier with Expect. Furthermore, Tk/Expect allows one to easily put a "pretty face" gui on said script. In conclusion there are problems best solved by kermit scripts and problems best solved using Expect and there are even more problems best suited to Perl, which I prefer. Use the best tool to solve the problem. Matthew H. Gerlach From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 28 21:01:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09331 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA00199 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:01:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Expect and Kermit (was: Re: frequent timeouts!) Date: 29 Jan 1998 02:01:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-ID: <6aonud$42r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ao7uh$9qf$1@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> <6ao98e$p4h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8316 In article , Matthew H. Gerlach wrote: : The kermit scripting language is a greate thing, most notably the fact : that kermit scripts will run on many platforms. That being said I find : it very beneficial to control C-Kermit from Expect, and I work for a company : that does a lot of it. The main benefit is that one might need to write : a script that controls many serial connections in conjuction with : many connections to regular UNIX programs. This appears to be easier with : Expect. : Some concrete examples might be instructive. : Furthermore, Tk/Expect allows one to easily put a "pretty face" : gui on said script. : One ought to be able to do that anyway. Code the user interface in Tk/Expect or whatever, and the real stuff in the Kermit script. Keeps the bosses happy by looking pretty, and keeps the rest of us happy by working well :-) : In conclusion there are problems best solved by kermit scripts and problems : best solved using Expect and there are even more problems best suited to : Perl, which I prefer. Use the best tool to solve the problem. : Agreed, provided it works. If Kermit doesn't work with expect (I'm not saying it doesn't), then the best tool is Kermit without expect. Given the amount of resources we have, there is a limit to the number of combinations we can support. But of course, that's where this newsgroup comes in handy. Meanwhile, I think this is a useful dialog. If my understanding of the Expect approach is correct, it is basically a screen-scraper, looking for the Kermit prompt, feeding commands to it, parsing the results, and so on in a loop of some kind until the desired result is achieved. But Kermit's language includes a lot of features that don't fit this model, such as FOR and WHILE loops, SWITCH statements, IF-ELSE constructions, even GOTOs. I suppose these might be simulated at a "higher level", but isn't that pushing the model a bit? Also, note that every Kermit command returns a status that can be tested by IF SUCCESS (or IF FAILURE); how do you do that with Expect? For actual communications, Kermit's INPUT and OUTPUT (and IF, etc) commands perform selected actions based on what the other computer sends. The MINPUT command is especially handy, allowing us to scan for several strings at once, for example: set carrier-watch off while 1 { output ATDT7654321\13 minput 60 CONNECT {NO ANSWER} {NO DIALTONE} {NO CARRIER} BUSY switch \v(minput) { :0, end 1 Timed out :1, echo Call complete, break :2, end 1 No answer - try again later. :3, end 1 No dialtone - check the phone. :4, end 1 Connection failed. :5, echo Redialing..., continue :default, stop 1 impossible error } } (This does approximately what the built-in DIAL command does.) You can put this loop in another loop that calls a list of numbers in succession, in a table-driven way, and so on. How would one do this by having Expect feed commands to the C-Kermit prompt? - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 30 03:25:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA10620 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA28553 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:25:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!delos.dra.hmg.gb!trog.dra.hmg.gb!not-for-mail From: "Doug Pickering" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Local Printing in Kermit 95 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:18:56 -0000 Organization: Defence Research Agency Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6as2jp$5it$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.80.17.10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8318 Hi, I have a slight problem with an application using the local printing facility. A VMS job allows a user to print a VMS file directly to a laserjet printer attached to a users' PC via local printing. The job starts by switching to local printing then sending some initialisation characters to the printer to switch it to landscape and change the font. The job then starts to print lines of the output to the printer which all goes well until after every 100 lines of output the print job is interrupted to display how many lines have been processed. The effect of the status display is to end the print job and send it straight to the printer. The next portion of the job is then queued as a separate job, without the page formatting and often in the middle of the page. I have looked at the possibility of removing the status display and also the possibility of it breaking on page boundaries and re-initialising the printer. Both these solutions have undesirable drawbacks. The reason the status display is on the screen is because a piece of software checks for screen activity and if none is found within a preset time the user is disconnected. This was happening regularly and so the status line was put in. Up until now all the users have been using DOS but the move to NT is causing problems. I am informed that KEATerm does not exhibit the same behaviour. Anyone have any ideas? Doug Pickering djpickering@dera.gov.uk From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 30 09:20:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08538 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA06423 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:20:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Local Printing in Kermit 95 Date: 30 Jan 1998 14:20:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Message-ID: <6asnjp$2v0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6as2jp$5it$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8319 In article <6as2jp$5it$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb>, Doug Pickering wrote: : I have a slight problem with an application using the local printing : facility. : : A VMS job allows a user to print a VMS file directly to a laserjet printer : attached to a users' PC via local printing. The job starts by switching : to local printing then sending some initialisation characters to the : printer to switch it to landscape and change the font. : : The job then starts to print lines of the output to the printer which all : goes well until after every 100 lines of output the print job is : interrupted to display how many lines have been processed. : : The effect of the status display is to end the print job and send it : straight to the printer. The next portion of the job is then queued as a : separate job, without the page formatting and often in the middle of the : page. : : I have looked at the possibility of removing the status display and also : the possibility of it breaking on page boundaries and re-initialising the : printer. Both these solutions have undesirable drawbacks. : : The reason the status display is on the screen is because a piece of : software checks for screen activity and if none is found within a preset : time the user is disconnected. This was happening regularly and so the : status line was put in. Up until now all the users have been using DOS : but the move to NT is causing problems. : The best way to get a diagnosis, and hopefully a solution, is to collect a session log that demonstrates the problem, and send it to: kermit-support@columbia.edu However, I can hazard a guess without the log. Assuming you are using VT terminal emulation, host directed printing works in a very simple way: there is one escape sequence to start printing, and another to stop, period, as described on pages 54-55 of the Kermit 95 manual. So what should Kermit do when it receives the "stop printing" sequence? If this were a real terminal, there would not be any question -- it would simply stop printing, because the printer is connected to the terminal directly with a wire. Sending a character to the printer causes the character to be printed immediately (recall that VT printing was designed for dot-matrix printers, which, unlike laser printers, print a character at a time, not a page at a time). But in Windows matters are a bit murkier, because we are going through who-knows-how-many layers of printer drivers, spoolers, buffers, etc, and possibly also accessing the printer through a network. So if Kermit simply stopped printing, then what would make the page come out of the printer? So Kermit must "close" the print job when it gets a "stop printing" command. What happens when Kermit closes the printer depends entirely upon the printer driver, spooler, etc -- items that are invisible to Kermit and beyond its control, but perhaps configurable by you. : I am informed that KEATerm does not exhibit the same behaviour. : But then how does it know when to print a page without manual intervention? To get the behavior you want, there would need to be additional protocol in the escape sequences: one for "stop sending text to the printer but do not close it", and another for "close the printer and force out the page". There are no such commands in the VT terminal repertoire. Anyway, let's have a look at the logs and we'll see what can be done. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 30 09:39:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13083 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA07395 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:39:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Local Printing in Kermit 95 Date: 30 Jan 1998 14:39:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-ID: <6asonc$3ep$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6as2jp$5it$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8320 In article <6as2jp$5it$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb>, Doug Pickering wrote: : Hi, : : I have a slight problem with an application using the local printing : facility. : : A VMS job allows a user to print a VMS file directly to a laserjet printer : attached to a users' PC via local printing. The job starts by switching to : local printing then sending some initialisation characters to the printer to : switch it to landscape and change the font. : : The job then starts to print lines of the output to the printer which all : goes well until after every 100 lines of output the print job is interrupted : to display how many lines have been processed. : : The effect of the status display is to end the print job and send it : straight to the printer. The next portion of the job is then queued as a : separate job, without the page formatting and often in the middle of the : page. : This very situation is handled in Kermit 95 version 1.1.15. The SET PRINTER command has a set of switches, one of them is the /TIMEOUT switch. From the online help: /TIMEOUT[:number] Used with host-directed transparent or auto printing, this is the number of seconds to wait after the host closes the printer before terminating the print job if the printer is not opened again during the specified amount of time. Updates to Kermit 95 are available on the Web at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 30 11:46:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08046 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13960 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:46:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit and AIX 4.2 Date: 30 Jan 1998 16:46:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6at05o$73e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:128568 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8321 I've had several reports in recent weeks that C-Kermit makes AIX 4.2 "hang" or "stop". Unfortunately, the reports are no more specific than that, and requests for clarification and additional details have had no affect so far. Of course, C-Kermit works fine on AIX 4.1 an earlier. Has anybody tried C-Kermit 6.0 on AIX 4.2? If so: . Did you build it from source or did you use an existing binary? . If you used a binary, which one did you use? . Can it dial and make serial connections? C-Kermit 6.0 can be found at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html If you can answer these questions, or would like to help track down the problem, whatever it is, please contact me. Obviously, a user-mode program should not be able to hang or stop AIX, so if the reports are true, I would imagine that all AIX users (and IBM) would want to know the details. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 30 20:18:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19776 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA12657 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:18:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@07.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: frequent timeouts! Date: 30 Jan 1998 17:01:43 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6at11n$aqm$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <6ao7uh$9qf$1@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> <6ao98e$p4h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8322 : Beautiful Asterid wrote: : : i've tested the port, phone line and connection with other machines, : : unfortunately their different platforms so... (do not support expect :( ) Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : We don't support expect either. You might not be aware that C-Kermit : includes its own script programming language, fully documented in the : manual, "Using C-Kermit": When I first read this, I thought "expect" was a verb, not a noun, and that one of our semi-english speaking compatriots was acknowledging that he did not expect support for his problem ;-) That aside, this sounds like a problem I have with error correcting modems and dirty phone lines. The modem goes into a correcting mode and doesn't talk to the computer for an extended length of time. Or, if Frank is correct ;-), Kermit scripting is such a flexible tool... In addition to the guides in the manual, there are a plethora of scripts in the distribution, readily deciphered using the manual as a reference. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jan 31 00:53:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24621 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA26439 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:53:24 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: Re: Expect and Kermit (was: Re: frequent timeouts!) Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <6ao98e$p4h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6aonud$42r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:50:33 GMT Lines: 84 Sender: gerlach@netcom18.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8323 In article <6aonud$42r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article , >Matthew H. Gerlach wrote: >: The kermit scripting language is a greate thing, most notably the fact >: that kermit scripts will run on many platforms. That being said I find >: it very beneficial to control C-Kermit from Expect, and I work for a company >: that does a lot of it. The main benefit is that one might need to write >: a script that controls many serial connections in conjuction with >: many connections to regular UNIX programs. This appears to be easier with >: Expect. >: >Some concrete examples might be instructive. Since I am a consultant for the company I mention above, I can't show code, but I will try to explain what they do. In short they have a UNIX box that performs automated telephony testing. This testing involves two separate pieces. One piece controls the end user's telephony equipment via a serial port. The other piece is the actual voice frequency testing involved with DSP's. The interface to voice frequency testing is an interactive program. So the scripts usualy send some commands to the telephone equipment, and once it is all set up, some commands get sent to the voice testing program. So the Expect scripts coordinates the serial stuff with the DSP stuff. At this point it is probably worth noting, that the company I mention was too cheap to pay for kermit to put on released product; so it "talks" to cu. However, in house we tend to use kermit, because it's easier to use and has the wonderful "log session" feature. I use kermit exclusively just because it is a great piece of software that is also well documented. I own copies of both revs of the book. >: Furthermore, Tk/Expect allows one to easily put a "pretty face" >: gui on said script. >: >One ought to be able to do that anyway. Code the user interface in Tk/Expect >or whatever, and the real stuff in the Kermit script. Keeps the bosses happy >by looking pretty, and keeps the rest of us happy by working well :-) > >: In conclusion there are problems best solved by kermit scripts and problems >: best solved using Expect and there are even more problems best suited to >: Perl, which I prefer. Use the best tool to solve the problem. >: >Agreed, provided it works. If Kermit doesn't work with expect (I'm not >saying it doesn't), then the best tool is Kermit without expect. Given the >amount of resources we have, there is a limit to the number of combinations >we can support. But of course, that's where this newsgroup comes in handy. > >Meanwhile, I think this is a useful dialog. If my understanding of the >Expect approach is correct, it is basically a screen-scraper, looking for >the Kermit prompt, feeding commands to it, parsing the results, and so on >in a loop of some kind until the desired result is achieved. But Kermit's >language includes a lot of features that don't fit this model, such as >FOR and WHILE loops, SWITCH statements, IF-ELSE constructions, even GOTOs. >I suppose these might be simulated at a "higher level", but isn't that >pushing the model a bit? Also, note that every Kermit command returns a >status that can be tested by IF SUCCESS (or IF FAILURE); how do you do that >with Expect? > Yes this is a very useful dialog, because we are discussing interesting ways to use kermit :) As you say Expect is basically a screen-scaper. For those who are interested, Expect is an extension to the TCL scripting language. The Expect extention simply spawns the desired program and opens a pseudo-tty to the STDIN/STDOUT of the child, in this case Kermit. The TCL scripting language does have the usual IF-ELSE, FOR and WHILE, subroutines and stuff. The expect command itself looks an awful lot like the use of minput followed by a switch. As you point, however, the kermit commands return a status that can be tested by IF SUCCESS/FAILURE. This information does not appear to be available to Expect unless there is a kermit command like "print status of last command". Is that a feature request? As you point out above, there are cases when one should program the "real" stuff in kermit and glue it to a user interface or whatever else needs gluing. At this point I would like by throwing out yet another scripting language, Perl. One can do the same thing in Perl as one does with Expect, and that is what I personally do because I find Perl to be a much more powerful programming language. Another interesting point is that a common question to the perl news group is "how do I control a serial port from perl"? Well, I always tell them, have Perl "talk" to kermit! I think now I will tell them, have perl talk to kermit scripts. Matthew H. Gerlach From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jan 31 10:16:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04912 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23644 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:16:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Expect and Kermit (was: Re: frequent timeouts!) Date: 31 Jan 1998 15:16:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 102 Message-ID: <6avf8d$hmd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ao98e$p4h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6aonud$42r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8324 In article , Matthew H. Gerlach wrote: : In article <6aonud$42r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : >In article , : >Matthew H. Gerlach wrote: : >: The kermit scripting language is a greate thing, most notably the fact : >: that kermit scripts will run on many platforms. That being said I find : >: it very beneficial to control C-Kermit from Expect, and I work for a : >: company that does a lot of it. The main benefit is that one might need : >: to write a script that controls many serial connections in conjuction : >: with many connections to regular UNIX programs. This appears to be : >: easier with Expect. : >: : >Some concrete examples might be instructive. : : Since I am a consultant for the company I mention above, I can't show code, : but I will try to explain what they do. In short they have a UNIX box : that performs automated telephony testing. This testing involves two : separate pieces. One piece controls the end user's telephony equipment : via a serial port. The other piece is the actual voice frequency testing : involved with DSP's. The interface to voice frequency testing is an : interactive program. So the scripts usualy send some commands to the : telephone equipment, and once it is all set up, some commands get sent : to the voice testing program. So the Expect scripts coordinates the serial : stuff with the DSP stuff. : And of course a Kermit script can do that too, and more portably (since Kermit runs more places that Expect does), and without the problems inherent in interfacing two programs to do what one could do. (For those who haven't been keeping up with recent Kermit releases, the Kermit script language is much more powerful than it was a few years ago.) : At this point it is probably worth noting, that the company I mention was : too cheap to pay for kermit to put on released product; so it "talks" to cu. : However, in house we tend to use kermit, because it's easier to use and has : the wonderful "log session" feature. I use kermit exclusively just because : it is a great piece of software that is also well documented. I own copies : of both revs of the book. : Thanks. : Yes this is a very useful dialog, because we are discussing interesting : ways to use kermit :) As you say Expect is basically a screen-scaper. : For those who are interested, Expect is an extension to the TCL scripting : language. The Expect extention simply spawns the desired program and : opens a pseudo-tty to the STDIN/STDOUT of the child, in this case Kermit. : The TCL scripting language does have the usual IF-ELSE, FOR and WHILE, : subroutines and stuff. : Of course lots of languages have these features. The salient question is: do they also have the built-in serial and networking i/o capabilities? The expect command itself looks an awful lot like : the use of minput followed by a switch. As you point, however, : the kermit commands return a status that can be tested by : IF SUCCESS/FAILURE. This information does not appear to be available to : Expect unless there is a kermit command like "print status of last command". : Is that a feature request? : If you REALLY want to control Kermit with Expect or Tcl or Perl, then yes, you can tell Kermit to "show status" after each and every command, and then look for the word SUCCESS or FAILURE. I think a program that does this will start to look pretty silly, compared to how it would look as a native Kermit program. : At this point I would like by throwing out yet another scripting : language, Perl. One can do the same thing in Perl as one does with : Expect, and that is what I personally do because I find Perl to be : a much more powerful programming language. Another interesting point : is that a common question to the perl news group is "how do I control : a serial port from perl"? Well, I always tell them, have Perl "talk" : to kermit! I think now I will tell them, have perl talk to kermit scripts. : And then the next step is to remove Perl from the equation and do it all in Kermit :-)  Because you didn't need Perl (or Tcl or Expect) in the first place, except if you wanted to layer a curses or GUI interface over your script Kermit (and yes, that's yet another item that's on our long, long, long list). Again, just so it's clear: Kermit scripts are portable among: . Windows 95, 98, and NT . UNIX - *all* varieties (hundreds of them, not just the big names) . UNIX relatives like OS-9, QNX, Plan 9, BeBox BeOS, etc. . DEC (Compaq) VMS (OpenVMS) . OS/2 . Stratus VOS . AOS/VS and AOS/VS-II And also (with a little care) to: . DOS . Windows 3.x And to any other platform that C-Kermit will be ported to in the future. They work not only over serial connections, but in most cases also TCP/IP Telnet or Rlogin (or any other TCP service), and in some cases also X.25, NETBIOS, DECnet (LAT or CTERM), and various other networking methods. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 1 01:21:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA25852 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 01:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA08879 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 01:21:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.ececs.uc.edu!not-for-mail From: "Charles Hart Enzer, M.D." Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Divide Overflow with 3.12 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 01:05:05 -0500 Organization: University of Cincinnati, ECE/CS News Server Lines: 30 Message-ID: <34D40FDC.64AB@uc.edu> Reply-To: charles.enzer@uc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: ucxy06-08.slip.uc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; U; PPC) CC: rubi@israntique.org.il Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8325 I am using kermit version 3.12 for my tcp/ip connection. When I install and run this version of kermit in a pc-computer whose cpu is MMX I get the message: DIVIDE OVERFLOW . What is the problem? What do you suggest? -- - Charles - + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 2925 Vernon Place, Suite 202 | | Cincinnati, Ohio 45219-2425 | | Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. Email: Charles.Enzer@uc.EDU | | Web: www.uc.edu/~enzerch | | Voice: 513.281.2017 | | Fax: Call First | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 1 01:43:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00886 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 01:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA09468 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 01:43:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ais.net!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.ececs.uc.edu!not-for-mail From: "Charles Hart Enzer, M.D." Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.12 - Divide Overflow Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 01:14:56 -0500 Organization: University of Cincinnati, ECE/CS News Server Lines: 30 Message-ID: <34D412AC.F3@uc.edu> Reply-To: charles.enzer@uc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: ucxy06-08.slip.uc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8326 I am using Kermit 3.12 for my tcp/ip connection. When I install and run kermit on a pc-computer whose cpu is MMX, I get the message: DIVIDE OVERFLO. What is the problem? What do you suggest? -- - Charles - + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 2925 Vernon Place, Suite 202 | | Cincinnati, Ohio 45219-2425 | | Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. Email: Charles.Enzer@uc.EDU | | Web: www.uc.edu/~enzerch | | Voice: 513.281.2017 | | Fax: Call First | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 1 09:46:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23743 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03716 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:46:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Divide Overflow with 3.12 Date: 1 Feb 1998 14:46:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6b21sr$ss5$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34D40FDC.64AB@uc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8327 In article <34D40FDC.64AB@uc.edu>, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. wrote: : I am using kermit version 3.12 for my tcp/ip connection. : : When I install and run this version of kermit in a pc-computer whose : cpu is MMX I get the message: : : DIVIDE OVERFLOW . : : What is the problem? : If you are using DOS or Windows 3.1 (as I expect you must be, since you mention TCP/IP), you need to install the current version of MS-DOS Kermit, which is 3.15: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html If you are using Windows 95 or NT, you should switch to Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 1 17:26:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07814 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA27555 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:25:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem Communications Date: 1 Feb 1998 22:25:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-ID: <6b2spi$dgi$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34d4ed93.0@fiji.easyway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.sco.misc:60085 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8328 In article <34d4ed93.0@fiji.easyway.net>, mcp wrote: : Is there a way to address the modem directly from the UNIX OS without having : to load an emulation program and then typing in modem commands? I'm : interested in being able to send a modem a list of commands directly from : the OS... maybe via a shell script. For example, sometimes I need to reset : a modem back to certain settings after a previous program has changed them : and wiped out NVRAM. I would idealy like to be able to run an imaginary : command like: : : "modem_reset /dev/tty1A atz at&f atS0=1 at$MB9600 at&w" : : and have my modem re-init based on the given settings. : : Any one know of a way to do something like this? : You can use C-Kermit 6.0. Unlike most modem software, it gives you a choice between controlling the modem itself, or letting you do it: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html To accomplish the above, after installing C-Kermit, you could create the following file (call it, say, modem_reset): ---(cut here)--- #!/usr/local/bin/kermit set carrier-watch off xif failure { echo Can't open device, exit 1 } set speed 19200 ; or whatever output ATQ0V1\13 input 10 OK xif failure { echo Can't get modem's attention, exit 2 } output atz at&f atS0=1 at$MB9600 at&w\13 input 10 OK xif success { echo OK, exit 0 } echo Error initializing modem exit 3 ---(cut here)--- Then: chmod +x modem_reset Then to use it: modem_reset -l /dev/tty1A The "-l" option and its argument (the device name) are passed to kermit. So you don't even need a shell script. Obviously, you could also restructure it to let you specify the modem commands on the command line or whatever else you wanted. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 2 09:59:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19386 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA06107 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:59:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.178.62.6!news.wolfe.net!not-for-mail From: "Baus" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Calling Kermit 95 from VB5? Date: 2 Feb 1998 07:01:58 GMT Organization: Baus & Associates Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bd2fa8$a23f23a0$328b42cf@baus> NNTP-Posting-Host: sea-ts8-p36.wolfenet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8329 Before I take the plunge to Kermit 95... Any problems using K-95 from within a Visual Basic application doing simple file transfers either through a serial port or over a modem? Any limit to the number of transfers K-95 can handle at one time on a single PC using multiple com ports? Thanks, Steve From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 2 10:11:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22149 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06705 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:11:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Calling Kermit 95 from VB5? Date: 2 Feb 1998 15:11:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6b4nng$6in$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd2fa8$a23f23a0$328b42cf@baus> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8330 In article <01bd2fa8$a23f23a0$328b42cf@baus>, Baus wrote: : Before I take the plunge to Kermit 95... : : Any problems using K-95 from within a Visual Basic application doing simple : file transfers either through a serial port or over a modem? : There shouldn't be. If you have specific questions or problems, send them to kermit-support@columbia.edu. : Any limit to the number of transfers K-95 can handle at one time on a : single PC using multiple com ports? : Kermit can run concurrently on as many ports as your PC and Windows are configured to operate at once without interrupt conflicts; the limitation is in the PC architecture, not Kermit. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 2 14:07:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12759 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18978 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:07:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.algonet.se!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail From: "Tomas Grundel" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kemit Date: 2 Feb 1998 15:52:56 GMT Organization: Algonet/Tninet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd2ff3$65f33d00$0100a8c0@ws0> NNTP-Posting-Host: du185-92.ppp.algonet.se X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8331 Need a free kermit component for delphi 2.0 Help me please! /Tomas polonium@algonet.se From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 2 14:15:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14494 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19457 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:15:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!inf-eden.demon.co.ux!Newz From: Newz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux (Chris Kennington - newshound) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,demon.tech.pc Subject: Re: Can You Help? Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 12:57:23 GMT Organization: City Desk Message-ID: <886424243snz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux> References: <886414956.15186.0.nnrp-05.9e986860@news.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Newz@inf-eden.demon.co.uk.snip X-Mail2News-User: Newz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux X-Mail2News-Path: inf-eden.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 886446090 26395 Newz inf-eden.demon.co.ux X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 77 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8332 demon.tech.pc:13920 In article <886414956.15186.0.nnrp-05.9e986860@news.demon.co.uk> gary@cherokee.demon.co.uk "Gary Burkey" writes: "I'm new to this newsgroup so apologies if I'm in the wrong place. I think you are on topic. "I have been using Kermit on my PC to remotely access our mainframe. I have "recently upgraded my PC to a HP Vetctra VL (P166MMX) with 47M Ram. The "system has a sound card as well as a CD-ROM Drive, running Win 95. When I "enter Kermit from the DOS prompt I instantly get a 'divide overflow' "message. When you say "using Kermit", do you mean the genuine original implementation of Kermit for the IBM-PC (Version 3.13 or something) from Columbia, or another implementation, or a "Kermit-protocol" insert into some other comms package? Kermit, although now pretty dated, was a brilliant high-reliability solution to the problems of remote access between differing computers; but it was both a file-transfer protocol and a pretty complete communications shell. (There were at least 500 implementations on various computers; I personally wrote 3.5 or them.) Many of the "Kermit inserts" in other packages were of low quality. There is a very easy way to get a divide overflow, and this is by using some sort of processing-speed test designed for a slower m/c. Typically this does some piece of computation and times how long it took. If it forgets to check for zero time (ie no clock-tick taking place) before dividing to get the speed, then it will eventually fail as speeds get faster. MS-K 3.13 gives no trouble on my Cyrix P133+; but that's some way behind what you have now got. Assuming that you are using Gianone's genuine MS-Kermit (or something closely similar), and working from a genuine DOS boot (not a DOS-prompt in Win95), then I would suggest you play around with the Comms settings (Set Baud etc) in the CUSTOM.INI file. Also LOG SESSION, and see whether it writes anything at all to the file. And take note of whether it does anything at all before failing; there should be about 6 lines of information output before the "MS-Kermit>" prompt comes up. "Two of my colleagues have identical systems excluding the MMX chip and "manage to run Kermit okay. A third colleague has a Vectra VL (P166MMX) "minus the sound card and CD-ROM and also gets a 'divide overflow' message. Are they on the same Win95, calling Kermit in the same way? "From this I conclude that it probably is the MMX chip causing the problem "(maybe Kermit cannot handle the increased processing speed). I have not "found anyway of slowing the processor down. Could be. See above. But knowing the quality of U of Columbia code, I doubt if it is a program-design inadequacy or bug. If you really wanted me to, I could probably dig out the Kermit source (which is in 'C') and see whether it measures the speed in the way I described; but I wouldn't offer to recompile for you ..... You might even try referring the problem to Columbia. As of 1992, the Columbia University Centre for Computing Activities was still in full flow; by now they are probably on the web. There are also a couple of NGs "comp.protocols.kermit.???" which might be of help. And an "au.kermit.???". "Is there anyway that I can get around this problem? Let's hope so. I still use Kermit for all initial testing of modems. Chris K. -- Chris Kennington (newshound) 01491 574065 You can mail me with suitable modifications to header-addresses, or to "chris inf-eden.demon.co.uk", replacing the . From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 2 14:48:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20295 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA21081 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:48:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.gs.com!search.web.gs.com!michael.chiu@gs.com From: Russ McManus Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Expect and Kermit (was: Re: frequent timeouts!) Date: 02 Feb 1998 14:32:56 -0500 Organization: International Equities - Goldman, Sachs & Co Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <6ao98e$p4h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6aonud$42r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6avf8d$hmd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nytrdc058.eq.gs.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Organization: Goldman, Sachs & Co. International Equities Technology X-phone-number: 212-357-4901 X-beeper: 917-556-0708 X-no-archive: yes X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8333 frank- one straight forward way to make the kermit script language more powerful is to not do it, but make it possible for others to do it. what i am imagining is the core kermit functionality compiled into libkermit.a. then the kermit script language would be an interpreter that dropped down into calls to libkermit.a. this would allow a guile enthusiast such as myself interface guile to kermit, and use scheme to write reliable communication programs. i'm sure the perl, python, and tcl folks would build interfaces to libkermit.a also. then, when someone wants to write a hairy kermit script, they can do it in their 'lingua franca'. this raises portability problems (guile doesn't work on every platform), though, and portability is of course one of the major goals of the kermit project. the kermit script language that compiles with the core package would continue to be ultra-portable, of course, and the upside is that this strategy might greatly increase the use of kermit overall. $0.02 -russ -- I have found that all ugly things are made by those who strive to make something beautiful and that all beautiful things are made by those who strive to make something useful. --Oscar Wilde From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 2 15:19:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24928 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA22752 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:19:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kemit Date: 2 Feb 1998 20:19:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6b59oj$hln$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd2ff3$65f33d00$0100a8c0@ws0> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8334 In article <01bd2ff3$65f33d00$0100a8c0@ws0>, Tomas Grundel wrote: : Need a free kermit component for delphi 2.0 : : Help me please! : To my knowledge, there is no such thing. See the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 2 15:38:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00211 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:38:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23785 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:38:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Expect and Kermit (was: Re: frequent timeouts!) Date: 2 Feb 1998 20:38:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-ID: <6b5asg$ia1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ao98e$p4h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6avf8d$hmd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8335 In article , Russ McManus wrote: : one straight forward way to make the kermit script language more : powerful is to not do it, but make it possible for others to do it. : : what i am imagining is the core kermit functionality compiled into : libkermit.a. then the kermit script language would be an interpreter : that dropped down into calls to libkermit.a. : : this would allow a guile enthusiast such as myself interface guile to : kermit, and use scheme to write reliable communication programs. i'm : sure the perl, python, and tcl folks would build interfaces to : libkermit.a also. then, when someone wants to write a hairy kermit : script, they can do it in their 'lingua franca'. : That's certainly one approach, but quite frankly we're not interested in it, because... : this raises portability problems... : Right. Kermit scripts are portable. If you take away the scripting language, there is no more common ground. Also, libraries are not portable; the very library mechanism is not portable. : (guile doesn't work on every platform)... : Nor does Expect, Tcl, Perl, etc etc... : ... and portability is of course one of the major goals : of the kermit project. the kermit script language that compiles with : the core package would continue to be ultra-portable, of course, and : the upside is that this strategy might greatly increase the use of : kermit overall. : Increased use of Kermit overall does not pay the bills of the Kermit Project, so what good has been done if everybody is using "Kermit" in some form, but there is nobody here to answer their questions and keep up with their demands -- which is pretty much what we do all day (and night). The bare fact is, there *is* no "core" functionality. See the much referenced FAQ item 30, about "Is there a Kermit library?": http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt No two people will ever agree on what constitutes the core; each one will want one more function added in. So before you know it, the core is the whole thing. And that begs the question of the "API" -- what is the API to a program that has 100,000 functions? Should it be a Delphi 2.0 component? Of course. Should it also be a Windows 95 DLL? Definitely. A Windows NT DLL? Natch. For the Alpha too? And the Power PC? What about OS/2? Windows 3.1? Yes to all those. Should is also be an Active X control? A Netscape Plugin? A Solaris 2.6 dynamic libary? A VBX? An OCX? A Java object? Of course! A embeddable module for realtime systems? Yes, that too! But wait, is it Buzzword 1.0 compliant? Not yet. Quick, make it happen! How much should it cost? It should be free, naturally! Hey, it's all yours, go to it :-) - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 2 15:58:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04022 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA24741 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:58:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,demon.tech.pc Subject: Re: Can You Help? Date: 2 Feb 1998 20:58:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 97 Message-ID: <6b5c1s$j0d$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <886414956.15186.0.nnrp-05.9e986860@news.demon.co.uk> <886424243snz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8336 demon.tech.pc:13925 In article <886424243snz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux>, Chris Kennington - newshound wrote: : In article <886414956.15186.0.nnrp-05.9e986860@news.demon.co.uk> : gary@cherokee.demon.co.uk "Gary Burkey" writes: : "I have been using Kermit on my PC to remotely access our mainframe. I have : "recently upgraded my PC to a HP Vetctra VL (P166MMX) with 47M Ram. The : "system has a sound card as well as a CD-ROM Drive, running Win 95. When I : "enter Kermit from the DOS prompt I instantly get a 'divide overflow' : "message. : This is an FAQ on the Kermit newsgroup, which Chris K kindly pulled in to this thread. : When you say "using Kermit", do you mean the genuine original : implementation of Kermit for the IBM-PC (Version 3.13 or something) : from Columbia, or another implementation, or a "Kermit-protocol" : insert into some other comms package? Kermit, although now : pretty dated... : Harrumph! Them's fighting words. The Kermit Project is more active than ever, the software is updated continually, and it is being put to more uses in the modern world than some people might think, due to: (a) its portability across hundreds of platforms; (b) its media independence (serial port, modem, TCP/IP, X.25, etc); (c) its automation features. : ... was a brilliant high-reliability solution to the : problems of remote access between differing computers; but it was : both a file-transfer protocol and a pretty complete communications : shell. (There were at least 500 implementations on various : computers; I personally wrote 3.5 or them.) : Indeed you did! : Many of the "Kermit inserts" in other packages were of low quality. : And remain so. : There is a very easy way to get a divide overflow, and this is by : using some sort of processing-speed test designed for a slower m/c... : That's more or less it, but it's been corrected for some time now. However, readers of demon.tech.pc should also be aware that there is a new 32-bit native Kermit program for Windows 95 and NT (and OS/2) -- Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html This one understands long filenames, is a Winsock client, does Telnet and Rlogin (and LAT and CTERM, etc) as well as serial ports and modems, and it is also a TAPI client, emulates 35 different terminals, and on and on. : "Two of my colleagues have identical systems excluding the MMX chip and : "manage to run Kermit okay. A third colleague has a Vectra VL (P166MMX) : "minus the sound card and CD-ROM and also gets a 'divide overflow' message. : : Are they on the same Win95, calling Kermit in the same way? : The current version of MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows 3.x is 3.15: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html It does not get divide overflow errors. : If you really wanted me to, I could probably dig out the : Kermit source (which is in 'C')... : MS-DOS Kermit is in assembler, but with the TCP/IP stack coded in C. : You might even try referring the problem to Columbia. As of 1992, the : Columbia University Centre for Computing Activities was still in full : flow; by now they are probably on the web. : We are indeed: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ : There are also a couple of NGs "comp.protocols.kermit.???" which might be : of help. And an "au.kermit.???". comp.protocols.kermit.misc Unmoderated (and quite active) comp.protocols.kermit.announce Moderated (for announcements) I'm not sure about the au.kermit and fj.kermit groups -- we can't see them from here, but maybe they are active. : "Is there anyway that I can get around this problem? : Let's hope so. I still use Kermit for all initial testing of modems. : : Chris Kennington (newshound) 01491 574065 : You can mail me with suitable modifications to header-addresses, : or to "chris inf-eden.demon.co.uk", replacing the . Good to hear from you again. It's been a while! - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 2 18:44:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09269 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03658 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:44:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.60.22.3!xmission!not-for-mail From: pixton@xmission.xmission.com (Jim Pixton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit visual basic control? Date: 2 Feb 1998 16:41:10 -0700 Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 13 Distribution: na Message-ID: <6b5lim$q5e$1@xmission.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8337 I was hoping someone could point me to an ocx (or vbx) that could send/receive files (using kermit protocol) to a bulletin board. It would need some simple scripting ability. Most importantly, and why I'd like to do it all in VB, I need to track the status of the call so the rest of the program knows what happened, and can proceed accordingly. Is there such a thing (free or 3rd party okay)? If not, what is the best way to go about this? What about something for MS Visual C++? thanks- -Jim From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 2 18:55:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA11039 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA04225 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:55:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit visual basic control? Date: 2 Feb 1998 23:55:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Distribution: na Message-ID: <6b5mdr$p90$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6b5lim$q5e$1@xmission.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8338 In article <6b5lim$q5e$1@xmission.xmission.com>, Jim Pixton wrote: : I was hoping someone could point me to an ocx (or vbx) that could : send/receive files (using kermit protocol) to a bulletin board. : It would need some simple scripting ability. Most importantly, : and why I'd like to do it all in VB, I need to track the status : of the call so the rest of the program knows what happened, : and can proceed accordingly. : Is there such a thing (free or 3rd party okay)? : If not, what is the best way to go about this? : What about something for MS Visual C++? : Short answer: No, not unless you write it yourself. See various ongoing threads on this topic in this newsgroup. Medium answer: You don't need a VBX or an OCX or anything else like that. Use Kermit 95 itself, controlled by a Kermit script. The script can be generated by your VB program. Long answer: See Item 30 of the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 2 20:38:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA27437 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:38:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA09994 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:38:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.5.0.44!nntp.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@91.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Local Printing in Kermit 95 Date: 2 Feb 1998 17:19:23 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 40 Message-ID: <6b4v6r$dio$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <6as2jp$5it$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb> <6asnjp$2v0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8339 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : So what should Kermit do when it receives the "stop printing" sequence? If : this were a real terminal, there would not be any question -- it would ... : But in Windows matters are a bit murkier, because we are going through : who-knows-how-many layers of printer drivers, spoolers, buffers, etc, and : possibly also accessing the printer through a network. So if Kermit simply : stopped printing, then what would make the page come out of the printer? So : Kermit must "close" the print job when it gets a "stop printing" command. Another example of Kermit being written too correctly ;-) This is analogous to printer timeouts in a Netware environment. Properly written programs "close" the printer when they are done. Poorly written programs do not, so Netware has a spooling timeout available. No data for a certain length of time causes the spooled printer to close. too short a timeout causes the same problem our poster is complaining about, albeit from a different source. Perhaps Kermit could be coded with an option not to "close" the printer. Gack! Let's see, what do I find at the Command Prompt under "Set Printer"? Hey! End-of-Job-String... Whatzat? Not in the book, maybe in d:\Kermit-95\Docs\updates.txt Well that isn't the fix, but section 7.5 mentions exactly what we need, a TIMEOUT option. I didn't backtrack to see what version brought in this feature. You should look in updates.txt, and if it isn't there, download the update(s). Accomodating devils, those K-95 authors. Workarounds for all the goofiness that we are forced to live with in the real world of "legacy" systems. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 03:16:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA27229 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA26533 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:16:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!delos.dra.hmg.gb!trog.dra.hmg.gb!not-for-mail From: "Doug Pickering" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Divide Overflow with 3.12 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:09:43 -0000 Organization: Defence Research Agency Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6b6jij$8g$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb> References: <34D40FDC.64AB@uc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.80.17.10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8340 Charles, I had the same problem last year. The problem I had was caused by a loop to detect how fast the processor is running. This loop did not correctly handle that the timing loop may complete so quickly. This produced a divide overflow. If like me you need to use 3.12 because of the product macro then I suggest the following: 1) Get hold of the Kermit 3.12 source 2) Get hold of the latest source (I used 3.14) 3) Build the 3.12 version. 4) Run the 3.12 version with codeview and let it crash 5) Determine where it has crashed and replace the relevent code with the code from the latest version of Kermit. 6) rebuild And there you have it. Unfortunately I do not have the environment set up to do this for you any more and the version I have has been customised slightly for our needs. You are welcome to try our version, please send me an email if you wish to. Doug Pickering Comax Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. wrote in message <34D40FDC.64AB@uc.edu>... >When I install and run this version of kermit in a pc-computer whose >cpu is MMX I get the message: > > DIVIDE OVERFLOW . >| Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. Email: Charles.Enzer@uc.EDU >+ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 04:00:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA23739 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA28734 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:00:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!delos.dra.hmg.gb!trog.dra.hmg.gb!not-for-mail From: "Doug Pickering" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Local Printing in Kermit 95 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:53:31 -0000 Organization: Defence Research Agency Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6b6ik5$5cs$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb> References: <6as2jp$5it$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb> <6asonc$3ep$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.80.17.10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8341 Thanks, That did the trick. Doug Pickering Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <6asonc$3ep$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >The SET PRINTER command has a set of switches, one of them is the /TIMEOUT >switch. From the online help: > >/TIMEOUT[:number] > Used with host-directed transparent or auto printing, this is the number > of seconds to wait after the host closes the printer before terminating > the print job if the printer is not opened again during the specified > amount of time. > From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 05:53:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA13031 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA04427 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:53:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!controlware.demon.co.uk!mark-news From: Mark Rogers Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,demon.tech.pc Subject: Re: Can You Help? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:36:10 +0000 Organization: 2M_ControlWare Message-ID: References: <886414956.15186.0.nnrp-05.9e986860@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: controlware.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: controlware.demon.co.uk [194.222.205.23] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 12 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8342 demon.tech.pc:13943 In article <886414956.15186.0.nnrp-05.9e986860@news.demon.co.uk>, Gary Burkey writes > >From this I conclude that it probably is the MMX chip causing the problem >(maybe Kermit cannot handle the increased processing speed). I have not >found anyway of slowing the processor down. Maybe a silly question, but which Kermit are you using? There seem to be several around; maybe a newer one would be okay? -- Mark Rogers (Software Engineer) -o- mark@controlware.demon.co.uk 2M_ControlWare, Yaxley, Peterborough, ENGLAND. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 07:02:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA17070 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08479 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:02:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!controlware.demon.co.uk!mark-news From: Mark Rogers Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,demon.tech.pc Subject: Re: Can You Help? Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:43:13 +0000 Organization: 2M_ControlWare Message-ID: References: <886414956.15186.0.nnrp-05.9e986860@news.demon.co.uk> <886424243snz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux> NNTP-Posting-Host: controlware.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: controlware.demon.co.uk [194.222.205.23] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 23 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8343 demon.tech.pc:13944 In article <886424243snz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux>, Chris Kennington - newshound writes > > There is a very easy way to get a divide overflow, and this is > by using some sort of processing-speed test designed for a slower > m/c. Typically this does some piece of computation and times how > long it took. If it forgets to check for zero time (ie no > clock-tick taking place) before dividing to get the speed, then > it will eventually fail as speeds get faster. MS-K 3.13 gives no > trouble on my Cyrix P133+; but that's some way behind what you > have now got. One of the problems is (ISTR) that the standard Borland libraries suffer from a bug of this kind. (It may well be that similar MS libraries do to.) The result of which is that these bugs are quite common. Still, it's better than the old way of using a fixed timing loop (expecting to see a reply in 200 loops, for example); software such as that (and there's a lot of it) fell over a long time ago. -- Mark Rogers (Software Engineer) -o- mark@controlware.demon.co.uk 2M_ControlWare, Yaxley, Peterborough, ENGLAND. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 09:35:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07595 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:35:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16414 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:35:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Divide Overflow with 3.12 Date: 3 Feb 1998 14:35:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6b79vv$meu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34D40FDC.64AB@uc.edu> <6b6jij$8g$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8344 In article <6b6jij$8g$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb>, Doug Pickering wrote: : ... : If like me you need to use 3.12 because of the product macro then I suggest : the following: : 1) Get hold of the Kermit 3.12 source : 2) Get hold of the latest source (I used 3.14) : 3) Build the 3.12 version. : 4) Run the 3.12 version with codeview and let it crash : 5) Determine where it has crashed and replace the relevent code with the : code from the latest version of Kermit. : 6) rebuild : : And there you have it. : Congratulations on creative use of source code. But what gave you the impression that the PRODUCT macro was not supported any more in MS-DOS Kermit? - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 09:50:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10041 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17209 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:50:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: mgibby@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: user winmodem problems Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:54:16 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6b7apr$62p@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.67.146.69 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8345 I have a user with an internal winmodem. No docs on the modem are available. It works fine with aol but with kermit 95 it doesnt. I have tried the modem type tapi and set line tapi commands, this gets it to at least recognize the modem, but when it attempts to dial i get sounds like a rotary phone. No connection.... I have the line about tone dialing already in....Any suggestions on what to try? Also I have noticed that the key definitions are different between dos kermit and kermit 95. Is there a conversion list anywhere? Thanks, Mark Gibson From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 09:59:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11352 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:59:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17686 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:59:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: user winmodem problems Date: 3 Feb 1998 14:59:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6b7bbu$n7b$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6b7apr$62p@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8346 In article <6b7apr$62p@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, wrote: : I have a user with an internal winmodem. No docs on the modem are : available. It works fine with aol but with kermit 95 it doesnt. I : have tried the modem type tapi and set line tapi commands, this gets : it to at least recognize the modem, but when it attempts to dial i get : sounds like a rotary phone. No connection.... I have the line about : tone dialing already in....Any suggestions on what to try? : Yes. Make sure the user has Kermit 95 1.1.15 (the current version) and that s/he is accessing the modem via TAPI, not via the COMx device. This is explained in section 6.10 of the Kermit 95 UPDATES.TXT file. : Also I have noticed that the key definitions are different between dos : kermit and kermit 95. Is there a conversion list anywhere? : You mean the keycodes? You can put Kermit 95 into MS-DOS Kermit "keycode compatibility mode" with "set mskermit keycodes on". See section 3.5 of UPDATES.TXT. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 10:02:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12363 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17942 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:02:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: user winmodem problems Date: 3 Feb 1998 15:02:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6b7bhh$nc3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6b7apr$62p@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8347 In article <6b7apr$62p@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, wrote: : I have a user with an internal winmodem. No docs on the modem are : available. It works fine with aol but with kermit 95 it doesnt. I : have tried the modem type tapi and set line tapi commands, this gets : it to at least recognize the modem, but when it attempts to dial i get : sounds like a rotary phone. No connection.... I have the line about : tone dialing already in....Any suggestions on what to try? : Oops, sorry, I didn't read far enough the first time. About Tone versus rotary dialing, from the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt 39 Tone Dialing Changes to Pulse after First Digit Some modems have a feature called adaptive dialing. When they are told to dial a number using Tone dialing, they check to make sure that dialtone has gone away after dialing the first digit. If it has not, the modem assumes the phone line does not accept Tone dialing and so switches to Pulse. When dialing out from a PBX, there is almost always a secondary dialtone. Typically you take the phone off-hook, get the PBX dialtone, dial "9" (or other number) to get an outside line, and then get the phone company's dialtone. In a situation like this, you need to tell the modem to expect the secondary dialtone. On Hayes and compatible modems, this is done by putting a "W" in the dial string at the appropriate place. For example, to dial 9 for an outside line, and then 7654321, use ATDT9W7654321. In C-Kermit and Kermit 95, this is accomplished with: SET DIAL PBX-OUTSIDE-PREFIX 9W (replace "9" with your PBX's outside-line prefix). (This text also appears in the K95 BUGS.TXT file as item 134.) - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 11:57:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07479 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23790 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:57:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!paralynx!news.mindlink.net!paralynx-2!paralynx!paralynx-1!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: mgibby@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: user winmodem problems Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:01:45 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6b7i8s$b3h@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6b7apr$62p@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <6b7bhh$nc3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.67.128.2 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8348 First of all thanks for your help.. I have tried the listing below with no success. It has to be the modem because on another machine and modem it works. The prefix needed is 80,, It doesnt seem to dial the first digit with tone, seems to go right into pulse. Makes a click click sound, and no connection On 3 Feb 1998 15:02:09 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) >39 Tone Dialing Changes to Pulse after First Digit > >Some modems have a feature called adaptive dialing. When they are told to dial >a number using Tone dialing, they check to make sure that dialtone has gone >away after dialing the first digit. If it has not, the modem assumes the phone >line does not accept Tone dialing and so switches to Pulse. > >When dialing out from a PBX, there is almost always a secondary dialtone. >Typically you take the phone off-hook, get the PBX dialtone, dial "9" (or other >number) to get an outside line, and then get the phone company's dialtone. In >a situation like this, you need to tell the modem to expect the secondary >dialtone. On Hayes and compatible modems, this is done by putting a "W" in the >dial string at the appropriate place. For example, to dial 9 for an outside >line, and then 7654321, use ATDT9W7654321. In C-Kermit and Kermit 95, this is >accomplished with: > >SET DIAL PBX-OUTSIDE-PREFIX 9W > >(replace "9" with your PBX's outside-line prefix). > >(This text also appears in the K95 BUGS.TXT file as item 134.) > >- Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 11:58:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07545 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23804 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:58:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: mgibby@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: user winmodem problems Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 20:02:19 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6b7i9t$b3h@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6b7apr$62p@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <6b7bhh$nc3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.67.128.2 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8349 First of all, thank you for your help. I tried the below listing and still cant connect. It has to be modem related because they have it running on another computer, same phone system. the prefix that they use is 80,, this gets the outside line then dials the number. On this machine with this modem, it appears to go into pulse mode and never gets an outside line. The sound it makes iis a click click sound as it attempts to dial. >When dialing out from a PBX, there is almost always a secondary dialtone. >Typically you take the phone off-hook, get the PBX dialtone, dial "9" (or other >number) to get an outside line, and then get the phone company's dialtone. In >a situation like this, you need to tell the modem to expect the secondary >dialtone. On Hayes and compatible modems, this is done by putting a "W" in the >dial string at the appropriate place. For example, to dial 9 for an outside >line, and then 7654321, use ATDT9W7654321. In C-Kermit and Kermit 95, this is >accomplished with: > >SET DIAL PBX-OUTSIDE-PREFIX 9W > >(replace "9" with your PBX's outside-line prefix). > >(This text also appears in the K95 BUGS.TXT file as item 134.) > >- Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 12:26:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA12890 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25293 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:26:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: user winmodem problems Date: 3 Feb 1998 17:26:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6b7k02$s7h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6b7apr$62p@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <6b7bhh$nc3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6b7i8s$b3h@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8350 In article <6b7i8s$b3h@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, wrote: : First of all thanks for your help.. I have tried the listing below : with no success. It has to be the modem because on another machine : and modem it works. The prefix needed is 80,, It doesnt seem to : dial the first digit with tone, seems to go right into pulse. Makes a : click click sound, and no connection : It is quite discouraging to find that computers are sold containing modems that are (a) not really modems at all, and (b) come with no manual. And (c) are often not even identifiable by make and model. The modem and computer company get your money, and the support is pushed to other people (like us) who have no idea what the modem is, and therefore how to fix the problem, if indeed it can be fixed -- bear in mind that most modern internal modems, and especially winmodems -- are designed with cheapness as the top priority; correct operation is probably very low on the priority list. Once the money has changed hands, the modem has served its purpose. Of course we will still try to help. My first advice is to read Chapter 5 of "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition, which explains all about dialing prefixes and so on. Pay special attention to the section on PBXs on pages 107-108. Make sure you have given all the relevant SET DIAL commands to K95 so it knows how to dial the number. In particular, try: SET DIAL PBX OUTSIDE-PREFIX 80W (not "80,,") and see if that helps. Of course, correct operation of "W" depends on your modem (whatever it is) and your PBX, and your modem's ability to recognize the PBX's dialtone. If you still have no luck, please follow up by sending email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 13:07:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22205 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27427 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:07:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!ais.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!usenet From: Giovanni Coi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Lost of carrier with 3.15 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:36:58 +0100 Organization: Prometeo srl Lines: 20 Message-ID: <34D755BA.BED5C1B1@prometeo.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: goedel.prometeo.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8351 I am using MS-Kermit 3.15 for my connection on WFW 3.11 The exact configuration is WFW 3.11 Protocols: NetBEUI, TCP/IP (microsoft stack - the last) Kermit: MS-Kermit 3.15 (and patches) - use set port NETBIOS .... The problem. Randomly I lost the connection while I type, or while I do nothing. The kermit close whitout any messages. This problem seem to be rise when I add the TCP/IP stack. Can anyone help me? Any suggestions will be appreciated. Giovanni Coi From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 13:08:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22347 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27441 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:08:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: mgibby@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: user winmodem problems Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 21:11:47 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6b7mc7$84a@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6b7apr$62p@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <6b7bhh$nc3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6b7i8s$b3h@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <6b7k02$s7h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.67.129.137 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8352 I agree. Unfortunantly this is out of my hands. We bought the k95 bulk option and distribute it out to our users. The bad part is that aol works on this same modem. I did try the 80W prefix, i only pointed out the 80,, as what works on the other computer. I'll read up on what you suggested. Thanks >: >It is quite discouraging to find that computers are sold containing >modems that are (a) not really modems at all, and (b) come with no manual. >And (c) are often not even identifiable by make and model. The modem and >computer company get your money, and the support is pushed to other people >(like us) who have no idea what the modem is, and therefore how to fix the >problem, if indeed it can be fixed -- bear in mind that most modern internal >modems, and especially winmodems -- are designed with cheapness as the top >priority; correct operation is probably very low on the priority list. Once >the money has changed hands, the modem has served its purpose. > >Of course we will still try to help. My first advice is to read Chapter 5 >of "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition, which explains all about dialing prefixes >and so on. Pay special attention to the section on PBXs on pages 107-108. > >Make sure you have given all the relevant SET DIAL commands to K95 so it >knows how to dial the number. In particular, try: > > SET DIAL PBX OUTSIDE-PREFIX 80W > >(not "80,,") and see if that helps. Of course, correct operation of "W" >depends on your modem (whatever it is) and your PBX, and your modem's ability >to recognize the PBX's dialtone. If you still have no luck, please follow up >by sending email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. > >- Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 13:54:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02952 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:54:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29817 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:54:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: user winmodem problems Date: 3 Feb 1998 18:54:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6b7p5n$24s$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6b7apr$62p@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <6b7i8s$b3h@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <6b7k02$s7h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6b7mc7$84a@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8353 In article <6b7mc7$84a@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, wrote: : I agree. Unfortunantly this is out of my hands. We bought the k95 : bulk option and distribute it out to our users. The bad part is that : aol works on this same modem. I did try the 80W prefix, i only : pointed out the 80,, as what works on the other computer. I'll read : up on what you suggested. Thanks : This is really not even a sofware question -- it's between the modem and your PBX. The software tells the modem to dial, and from that point on, the modem is dealing with what it thinks is the phone line. Now if your modem has trouble dealing with "get an outside line, wait for secondary dialtone", there is not much the software can do about it if it does not know what kind of modem you have. Does it have a command to enable/disable adaptive dialing? If so, what is it? What is its command to "wait for secondary dialtone"? How is the owner of this computer supposed to operate the modem without a manual? It might help to do the following. Tell Kermit 95 to: set tapi line And then: show dial show modem Use the mouse to copy these displays and email them to: kermit-support@columbia.edu By the way, it doesn't really help to say that the modem works with AOL, since AOL is its own self-contained, proprietary universe. Who knows what it's doing. A more pertinent question would be whether it works with HyperTerminal. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 16:19:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05800 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA07599 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:19:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!news.IAEhv.nl!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!gate.news.unisource.nl!news.unisource.nl!news.gns.getronics.nl!not-for-mail From: Henrico Lebbink Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit error Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:08:25 +0100 Organization: Atriserv B.V. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <34D732E9.47E454EB@atriserv.nl> Reply-To: hlebbink@atriserv.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.215.53.75 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Cache-Post-Path: morotai!unknown@10.1.3.54 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8354 I get an error with the kermit protocol. The error is: KER_TIMEOUT SOH. Wht can be the cause of this error ?? Can it be a modem problem or Rs-232 cable problem ?? Thank, Henrico Lebbink From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 16:23:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06567 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA07839 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:23:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit error Date: 3 Feb 1998 21:23:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6b81s3$7je$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34D732E9.47E454EB@atriserv.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8355 In article <34D732E9.47E454EB@atriserv.nl>, Henrico Lebbink wrote: : I get an error with the kermit protocol. : The error is: KER_TIMEOUT SOH. : Wht can be the cause of this error ?? Can it be a modem problem or : Rs-232 cable problem ?? : Which Kermit program? Which version? On what kind of computer? Running what operating system and version? Most Kermit programs have manuals that explain how to use them. See the Kermit website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ The message above does not look like one that comes from any of our Kermit programs, but obviously means that the program you are running, whatever it is, timed out waiting for a packet to arrive. Which could be caused by almost anything. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 18:17:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01486 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA13788 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:17:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub1.wanet.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!michaels.demon.co.uk!4ms2u$ms From: 4ms2u$ms@michaels.demon.co.uk (Michael Salem) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,demon.tech.pc Subject: Re: Can You Help? Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 14:35:40 GMT Organization: MCL Message-ID: <886430140snz@michaels.demon.co.uk> References: <886414956.15186.0.nnrp-05.9e986860@news.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: 4ms2u$ms@michaels.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: 4ms2u$ms@michaels.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: michaels.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 886430795 21834 4ms2u$ms michaels.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 30 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8357 demon.tech.pc:13956 Gary Burkey wrote: > When I [run Kermit I] get a 'divide overflow' message. > > Two of my colleagues have identical systems excluding the MMX chip and > manage to run Kermit okay. A third colleague has a Vectra VL (P166MMX) > minus the sound card and CD-ROM and also gets a 'divide overflow' message. > > From this I conclude that it probably is the MMX chip causing the problem > (maybe Kermit cannot handle the increased processing speed). I have not > found any way of slowing the processor down. Too-fast speed problems are quite common with older software. There are some TSR programs around that are supposed to slow down a processor; the ones I have seen were to allow PC games to run on a fast 8MHz AT, and had names like ATSLOW.ARC. I don't know if they'd help. The only proper solution is to get upgraded software. With Kermit I'd expect this has been done. You could get the source code and do it yourself. In extremis, you could disassemble and patch the executable software (Kermit) directly. You have to identify and redesign timing loops (with appropriate calibration). Not something you'll do in an evening... Best wishes, -- Michael Salem (email: use "Reply" command, or mgs at michaels.demon.co.uk) RFC 1855: Quote less than you contribute; keep sig down to 4 lines From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 18:17:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01485 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA13786 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:17:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub1.wanet.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!cherokee.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Gary Burkey" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,demon.tech.pc Subject: Can You Help? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:21:13 -0000 Message-ID: <886414956.15186.0.nnrp-05.9e986860@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cherokee.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: cherokee.demon.co.uk [158.152.104.96] X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Lines: 25 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8356 demon.tech.pc:13955 Hi, I'm new to this newsgroup so apologies if I'm in the wrong place. I have been using Kermit on my PC to remotely access our mainframe. I have recently upgraded my PC to a HP Vetctra VL (P166MMX) with 47M Ram. The system has a sound card as well as a CD-ROM Drive, running Win 95. When I enter Kermit from the DOS prompt I instantly get a 'divide overflow' message. Two of my colleagues have identical systems excluding the MMX chip and manage to run Kermit okay. A third colleague has a Vectra VL (P166MMX) minus the sound card and CD-ROM and also gets a 'divide overflow' message. >From this I conclude that it probably is the MMX chip causing the problem (maybe Kermit cannot handle the increased processing speed). I have not found anyway of slowing the processor down. Is there anyway that I can get around this problem? Thanks in anticipation, Gary B From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 19:41:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA18425 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA18202 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:41:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,demon.tech.pc Subject: Re: Can You Help? Date: 4 Feb 1998 00:41:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6b8df8$eup$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <886414956.15186.0.nnrp-05.9e986860@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8358 demon.tech.pc:13957 In article <886414956.15186.0.nnrp-05.9e986860@news.demon.co.uk>, Gary Burkey wrote: : I have been using Kermit on my PC to remotely access our mainframe. I have : recently upgraded my PC to a HP Vetctra VL (P166MMX) with 47M Ram. The : system has a sound card as well as a CD-ROM Drive, running Win 95. When I : enter Kermit from the DOS prompt I instantly get a 'divide overflow' : message. : This query showed up a whole day after the answer. I trust you have seen it by now. If not, please review recent postings, or see the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt Item 37. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 19:48:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA19116 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA18465 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:47:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!195.173.173.151!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!inf-eden.demon.co.ux!Newz From: Newz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux (Chris Kennington - newshound) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,demon.tech.pc Subject: Re: Can You Help? Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 18:37:01 GMT Organization: City Desk Message-ID: <886531021snz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux> References: <886414956.15186.0.nnrp-05.9e986860@news.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Newz@inf-eden.demon.co.uk.snip X-Mail2News-User: Newz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux X-Mail2News-Path: inf-eden.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 886532396 21632 Newz inf-eden.demon.co.ux X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 60 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8359 demon.tech.pc:13958 Re the divide overflow in Kermit: Some but not all of the postings in this demon.tech.pc thread are also appearing in the U of Columbia kermit thread (and vice versa). The crucial one does not seem to have appeared here (yet - could be Demon's news backlog); so I append it:- Chris K. ------------- cut cut cut ------------- From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Divide Overflow with 3.12 Date: 1 Feb 1998 14:46:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <6b21sr$ss5$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34D40FDC.64AB@uc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Lines: 22 Xref: news.demon.co.uk comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5968 In article <34D40FDC.64AB@uc.edu>, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. wrote: : I am using kermit version 3.12 for my tcp/ip connection. : : When I install and run this version of kermit in a pc-computer whose : cpu is MMX I get the message: : : DIVIDE OVERFLOW . : : What is the problem? : If you are using DOS or Windows 3.1 (as I expect you must be, since you mention TCP/IP), you need to install the current version of MS-DOS Kermit, which is 3.15: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html If you are using Windows 95 or NT, you should switch to Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank ------------- cut cut cut ------------- I gather that the files are also available as:- ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/....... (decides to wait a while before downloading, then it will be in the Demon cache and will arrive much faster .....) Chris -- Chris Kennington (newshound) 01491 574065 You can mail me with suitable modifications to header-addresses, or to "chris inf-eden.demon.co.uk", replacing the . From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 3 23:21:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA14701 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29795 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:21:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!news.mindspring.net!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: jabr@mindspring.com (John Brnich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: help with ms-dos kermit 3.14 or 3.15 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 04:21:18 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6b8qa4$6fv@camel20.mindspring.com> Reply-To: jabr@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-38lccj3.dialup.mindspring.com X-Server-Date: 4 Feb 1998 04:20:20 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8360 When dialing out over a modem, dos kermit has a built in timeout of about 90 seconds to detect failure. There is no "set dial timeout" command as in c-kermit. Does anyone know of a way to change the wait to about 45 secs, i.e. JB From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 4 10:01:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02075 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20278 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:01:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help with ms-dos kermit 3.14 or 3.15 Date: 4 Feb 1998 15:01:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6b9vrm$4n0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6b8qa4$6fv@camel20.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8361 In article <6b8qa4$6fv@camel20.mindspring.com>, John Brnich wrote: : When dialing out over a modem, dos kermit has a built in timeout of : about 90 seconds to detect failure. There is no "set dial timeout" : command as in c-kermit. Does anyone know of a way to change the wait : to about 45 secs, i.e. : MS-DOS Kermit dialing is accomplished entirely by scripts. Scripts are just text files containing Kermit commands. To change how they work, just edit them. The commands are described in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 4 10:06:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03178 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20533 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:06:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ais.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.invision.net!not-for-mail From: blaine@htp.net (Blaine S. @kins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 Win95 problem Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 14:57:28 GMT Organization: Invision, LLC (http://www.invision.net) Lines: 15 Message-ID: <34d881b7.521009472@news.htp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.112.46.31 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8362 Hi I recently upgraded to ver. 1.1.15 of K95 because of a problem running on an MMX machine, this worked. When I was using the software under Win95 I found a problem. I call k95 from a C program with spawnlp(P_WAIT, etc, after k95 is done it returns to my program and I allow some operator input using gets(). Well this worked in previous versions, under Dos, OS2, Win95, NT and in the new version under NT, but not with the new version under 95. I call K95, it then quits when it is supposed to, but the MS-DOS window contiues to say K95, while my program appears in the window, but unable to accept input? Any thoughts? Blaine From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 4 10:28:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06963 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21697 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:28:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 Win95 problem Followup-To: poster Date: 4 Feb 1998 15:28:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6ba1e7$7bv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34d881b7.521009472@news.htp.net> Reply-To: kermit-support@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8363 In article <34d881b7.521009472@news.htp.net>, Blaine S. @kins wrote: : Hi : : I recently upgraded to ver. 1.1.15 of K95 because of a problem running : on an MMX machine, this worked. When I was using the software under : Win95 I found a problem. : : I call k95 from a C program with spawnlp(P_WAIT, etc, after k95 is : done it returns to my program and I allow some operator input using : gets(). Well this worked in previous versions, under Dos, OS2, Win95, : NT and in the new version under NT, but not with the new version : under 95. I call K95, it then quits when it is supposed to, but the : MS-DOS window contiues to say K95, while my program appears in the : window, but unable to accept input? Any thoughts? : : Blaine Is your program a 16-bit or a 32-bit executable? Due to various bugs in Windows 95 that prevented console applications from being allocated a STDIN and STDOUT handle, K95 derives new STDIN and STDOUT handles from the CONIN$ and CONOUT$ device drivers. While these handles are supposed to be local to the current process I can see where Windows 95 might have difficulty keeping them separate. You might want to take this off line and contact kermit-support@columbia.edu directly. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 5 05:14:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA24797 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA16716 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:14:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!inf-eden.demon.co.ux!Newz From: Newz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux (Chris Kennington - newshound) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,demon.tech.pc Subject: Re: Can You Help? Date: Wed, 04 Feb 98 22:06:26 GMT Organization: City Desk Message-ID: <886629986snz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux> References: <886414956.15186.0.nnrp-05.9e986860@news.demon.co.uk> <886424243snz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux> <6b5c1s$j0d$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Newz@inf-eden.demon.co.uk.snip X-Mail2News-User: Newz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux X-Mail2News-Path: inf-eden.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 886641917 10090 Newz inf-eden.demon.co.ux X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 49 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8364 demon.tech.pc:14008 In article <6b5c1s$j0d$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Frank da Cruz" writes: "In article <886424243snz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux>, "Chris Kennington - newshound wrote: [snip most of my own original ....] "This is an FAQ on the Kermit newsgroup, which Chris K kindly pulled in to "this thread. " ": ........ Kermit, although now ": pretty dated... ": "Harrumph! Them's fighting words. The Kermit Project is more active than "ever, the software is updated continually, and it is being put to more uses "in the modern world than some people might think, due to: Oh dear, Frank, can't say how sorry. Perhaps, in extenuation, I should explain that I retired from the mainframe-etc world rather a long time ago ..... Once you get into a "PC Rules OK" environment, with the occasional MAC-interrupt, you tend to forget that there actually are a lot of PC-non-compatibles out there ....... [mega snip] "MS-DOS Kermit is in assembler, but with the TCP/IP stack coded in C. True. I forgot that it did not actually derive from "portable Kermit". And I don't know that I could still read the 360K floppies that my copy of the old source is on ..... " comp.protocols.kermit.misc Unmoderated (and quite active) " comp.protocols.kermit.announce Moderated (for announcements) Started taking them very soon after my original post. Quite like old times. "Good to hear from you again. It's been a while! And very glad to know that this NG (d.t.pc) has made it across the pond. More power to your respective elbows! Chris K. -- Chris Kennington (newshound) 01491 574065 You can mail me with suitable modifications to header-addresses, or to "chris inf-eden.demon.co.uk", replacing the . From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 5 09:12:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20336 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29660 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:12:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,demon.tech.pc Subject: Re: Can You Help? Date: 5 Feb 1998 14:12:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6bchc8$nhq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <886414956.15186.0.nnrp-05.9e986860@news.demon.co.uk> <886424243snz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux> <6b5c1s$j0d$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <886629986snz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8365 demon.tech.pc:14017 In article <886629986snz@inf-eden.demon.co.ux>, Chris Kennington - newshound wrote: : ... : I should explain that I retired from the mainframe-etc world : rather a long time ago ..... Once you get into a "PC Rules OK" : environment, with the occasional MAC-interrupt, you tend to : forget that there actually are a lot of PC-non-compatibles out : there ....... : Well, this is definitely a trend, but I hope not an irreversible one. Non-PCs continue to serve a purpose in the world -- such as in those little nooks and crannies where dependability and/or automation are required. We're doing our best to keep the world safe for many kinds of computers and diverse operating systems :-) - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 5 09:39:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26605 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01380 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:39:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!mozart.jlc.net!Pgsherm From: gsherman@remove_this.jlc.net (Glenn Sherman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: k95's answer Date: 5 Feb 1998 14:35:10 GMT Organization: Granite State Software Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6bcimu$aak$1@mozart.jlc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-119.dialup.jlc.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8366 I want to be able to receive calls on my notebook. I have a script that sets up the terminal and modem (I think). When I run the script I get the following... Good Afternoon, smile! Waiting for phone call... Device: com3, modem: hayes-2400, speed: 57600 Answer timeout: (none) To cancel: type Ctrl-C (hold down Ctrl, press C). PROGRAM ERROR - No response handler for modem type 10 <- Call comes in ANSWER Failure: "" The script is... -------------------------------------------------------------- ; ActionTec modem setup set terminal type qnx set port com3 set modem hayes ; starting point set modem name ActionTec PCMCIA set modem capabilities EC DC ; error correction / data compression set modem speed-matching off set modem error-correction on set modem compression off set modem maximum-speed 57600 set speed 57600 answer -------------------------------------------------------------- What should I be doing next...the calling computer is a Qnx machine and it will be spawning a login on its end. I want to be able to just "connect" and see the login prompt from the Qnx computer. Any ideas? Where do I look? TIA, Glenn From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 5 09:57:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29229 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02209 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:57:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95's answer Date: 5 Feb 1998 14:57:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-ID: <6bck0a$p20$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6bcimu$aak$1@mozart.jlc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8367 In article <6bcimu$aak$1@mozart.jlc.net>, Glenn Sherman wrote: : : I want to be able to receive calls on my notebook. I have a script : that sets up the terminal and modem (I think). When I run the script : I get the following... : : Good Afternoon, smile! : Waiting for phone call... : Device: com3, modem: hayes-2400, speed: 57600 : Answer timeout: (none) : To cancel: type Ctrl-C (hold down Ctrl, press C). : PROGRAM ERROR - No response handler for modem type 10 <- Call comes in : ANSWER Failure: "" : : : The script is... : -------------------------------------------------------------- : ; ActionTec modem setup : : set terminal type qnx : : set port com3 : set modem hayes ; starting point : set modem name ActionTec PCMCIA : set modem capabilities EC DC ; error correction / data compression : set modem speed-matching off : set modem error-correction on : set modem compression off : set modem maximum-speed 57600 : set speed 57600 : answer : -------------------------------------------------------------- : : What should I be doing next...the calling computer is a Qnx machine : and it will be spawning a login on its end. I want to be able to : just "connect" and see the login prompt from the Qnx computer. : The message "PROGRAM ERROR - No response handler for modem type 10" comes from K95, but it shouldn't. We'll contact you offline to see if we can find out what's going on. In the meantime, I'd recommend the following: 1. If you are not using K95 1.1.15 (the current version), please patch up to it: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html. 2. Switch from "set modem type hayes, set port com1" to "set tapi line" and let Microsoft TAPI control the modem. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 5 12:39:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06477 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA11108 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:39:41 -0500 (EST) From: david2020@hotmail.com Subject: circular log file Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:51:53 -0600 Message-ID: <886696567.1041301517@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Deja News Posting Service Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.207.0.25!nntp.texas.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Feb 05 16:36:08 1998 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: david2020@hotmail.com X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01Gold (Win95; U) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 192.128.52.109 (cbpxy0.att.com) Lines: 6 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8368 Is there a way to have a circular log file in C-Kermit? Thanks. -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 5 12:45:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07998 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA11436 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:45:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: circular log file Date: 5 Feb 1998 17:45:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6bctrk$279$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <886696567.1041301517@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8369 In article <886696567.1041301517@dejanews.com>, wrote: : Is there a way to have a circular log file in C-Kermit? : No. Could you describe why you might want one, and exactly how you would want it to work? - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 5 22:13:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00493 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA13099 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:13:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!nntp-hub.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!news From: mcmanus@idt.net (Russell D. McManus) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Expect and Kermit (was: Re: frequent timeouts!) Date: 03 Feb 1998 18:36:55 -0500 Organization: IDT Lines: 84 Sender: mcmanr@thelonious Message-ID: References: <6ao98e$p4h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6avf8d$hmd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6b5asg$ia1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-65.ts-14.nyc.idt.net X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8370 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > That's certainly one approach, but quite frankly we're not interested in > it, because... > : this raises portability problems... > Right. Kermit scripts are portable. If you take away the scripting > language, there is no more common ground. well, that's an overstatement. if someone wants to write a portable script, then they can write it in the kermit script language. there is still common ground. there is not less common ground than before: there is the same amount. there is more ground overall, but the new stuff is unportable. > Also, libraries are not portable; the very library mechanism is not > portable. hmm. of course you are right that the library mechanism is not completely portable. then again, neither is the 'redirect' command that appears in c-kermit. this fact tells me that lack of portability is not a sufficient condition to doom an idea as far as kermit is concerned. the question is how 'unportable' must something be to be rejected? > : (guile doesn't work on every platform)... > Nor does Expect, Tcl, Perl, etc etc... yes, this fact is by now well established. > Increased use of Kermit overall does not pay the bills of the Kermit Project, > so what good has been done if everybody is using "Kermit" in some form, but > there is nobody here to answer their questions and keep up with their demands > -- which is pretty much what we do all day (and night). and this is the real reason. funding is a necessary condition for the kermit project to continue. that's why i own both editions of 'programming c-kermit' (excellent book, frank). a zillion non portable things must have been done for kermit-95, but the program has commercial value. that is of course what drives the decision making process. > The bare fact is, there *is* no "core" functionality. > No two people will ever agree on what constitutes the core; each one will want > one more function added in. So before you know it, the core is the whole > thing. And that begs the question of the "API" -- what is the API to a > program that has 100,000 functions? does kermit have 100,000 functions? somehow i think you are exagerating. besides, it doesn't matter that everyone doesn't agree what is in the core. the kermit project gets to decide; everyone else then becomes reality challenged if they disagree. > Should it be a Delphi 2.0 component? Of course. Should it also be a Windows > 95 DLL? Definitely. A Windows NT DLL? Natch. For the Alpha too? And the > Power PC? What about OS/2? Windows 3.1? Yes to all those. Should is also > be an Active X control? A Netscape Plugin? A Solaris 2.6 dynamic libary? A > VBX? An OCX? A Java object? Of course! A embeddable module for realtime > systems? Yes, that too! But wait, is it Buzzword 1.0 compliant? Not yet. > Quick, make it happen! i don't think 'library' qualifies as a 'Buzzword', and if it does, then it would certainly have a higher rev than 1.0. the biggest platforms support the library concept: all flavors of unix, win95, win-nt, os2, and surely others that i am not personally familiar with. i'm still confused about one thing: why is it impossible for the kermit project to make design decisions about what should go in a library? > How much should it cost? It should be free, naturally! > Hey, it's all yours, go to it :-) > - Frank how about the same amount as the current version of kermit; pay for a copy of the book if you want support? and there is something to be gained: a quick tour through the quotation rules in the kermit language demonstrates how difficult it is to have a single syntax that is useful for both interaction and programming. one encounters similar problems when programming in a unix shell language. don't fault me for dreaming of something better! -russ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 5 22:22:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01530 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA13623 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:22:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!arclight.uoregon.edu!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!infoserver.bgsu.edu!woody.wcnet.org!usenet From: Chris Henschen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 with screen savers Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:51:11 -0500 Organization: Wood County Internet Council Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34DA7A9F.4851@wcnet.org> Reply-To: chrish@wcnet.org NNTP-Posting-Host: ts168.wcnet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8371 I have a client when the screen saver comes on the terminal session shrinks to the bottom, so that one must click the session next to the start buttom to activate it. Is there a way to keep the screen fully up open when returning to the emulation session. Thanks for you help chrish@wcnet.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 6 05:52:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA04522 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 05:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA02595 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 05:52:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.sfba.home.net!cypher.cagent.com!user From: tsw@cagent.com (Tom Watson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: circular log file Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 18:50:03 -0800 Organization: CagEnt, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <886696567.1041301517@dejanews.com> <6bctrk$279$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: alfred.cagent.com Cache-Post-Path: alfred.cagent.com!unknown@cypher.cagent.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8372 In article <6bctrk$279$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > In article <886696567.1041301517@dejanews.com>, wrote: > : Is there a way to have a circular log file in C-Kermit? > : > No. Could you describe why you might want one, and exactly how you would > want it to work? > I imagine that the desired effect is to only retain the last 'n' log messages. That way one could have the "circular log" turned on, and not have a log file get out of control. Probably useful when having a "stock" setup for new users, and a trouble desk to see a "post mortem" when a "supposed failure" (real or imagined) happens. Of course the alternitive is to "try again" with the log turned on and get the results that way, but it might take some explaining to a new user. No, I don't have needs for this type of log in Kermit, but I do admit it might be "handy". -- tsw@cagent.com (Home: tsw@johana.com) Please forward spam to: annagram@hr.house.gov (my Congressman), I do. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 6 09:56:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24949 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:56:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA05310 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:56:03 -0500 (EST) From: david2020@hotmail.com Subject: circular log file Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 08:52:53 -0600 Message-ID: <886736284.927858692@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Deja News Posting Service Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Feb 06 03:38:04 1998 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: david2020@hotmail.com X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 [en] (Win95; I) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 12.68.56.4 (4.mercerville-09.nj.dial-access.att.net) Lines: 9 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8373 I need to set a maximum file size for my session log so I don't need to delete the log file or run into memory problems. So, once the log file reaches it's bottom byte, it will go back to the first line of the file and start the new sessions from there. Is there a way to do this in Kermit? -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 6 10:05:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27018 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05819 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:05:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Expect and Kermit (was: Re: frequent timeouts!) Date: 6 Feb 1998 15:05:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 137 Message-ID: <6bf8sh$5mf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ao98e$p4h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6b5asg$ia1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8374 In article , Russell D. McManus wrote: : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > Also, libraries are not portable; the very library mechanism is not : > portable. : : hmm. of course you are right that the library mechanism is not : completely portable. then again, neither is the 'redirect' command : that appears in c-kermit. this fact tells me that lack of portability : is not a sufficient condition to doom an idea as far as kermit is : concerned. the question is how 'unportable' must something be to be : rejected? : Clearly there is more than one criterion for what gets into Kermit. I don't think it will serve any useful purpose to try to formalize the algorithm for how features are selected for adding to Kermit, because, quite simply, it isn't very formal. But portability is always a major factor -- portability not only of command and scripting features for the end-user, but also portability (sharability) of code that we write to implement those features, so it can be shared by Kermit programs for many platforms. How many software makers these days pay attention to any platform but Windows? : > Increased use of Kermit overall does not pay the bills of the Kermit : > Project, so what good has been done if everybody is using "Kermit" in some : > form, but there is nobody here to answer their questions and keep up with : > their demands -- which is pretty much what we do all day (and night). : : and this is the real reason. funding is a necessary condition for the : kermit project to continue. that's why i own both editions of : 'programming c-kermit' (excellent book, frank). : Thanks :-) : a zillion non portable things must have been done for kermit-95, but the : program has commercial value. : In fact, the Kermit 95 source code is portable to Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows NT 3.51, Windows NT 4.0, and OS/2 2.0, 2.1, 3.0, and 4.0. : ... that is of course what drives the decision making process. : Many things drive it. Demand, especially from the large installed base of users who depend on us to continually adapt our software to new environments and requirements as they appear, so they can keep using the communication and automation tools they have become accustomed to. : > The bare fact is, there *is* no "core" functionality. No two people will : > ever agree on what constitutes the core; each one will want one more : > function added in. So before you know it, the core is the whole thing. : > And that begs the question of the "API" -- what is the API to a program : > that has 100,000 functions? : : does kermit have 100,000 functions? somehow i think you are exagerating. : Busted! OK, I didn't actually count them. Type ? at the prompt. Then after each top level keyword, type ?. Then after each second-level keyword, type ?. And so on, as far as it goes -- sometimes pretty far, especially in the SET command. And most especially in K95, when you factor in the 35 terminal emulators and 43 character sets. : ... besides, it doesn't matter that everyone doesn't agree : what is in the core. the kermit project gets to decide; everyone else : then becomes reality challenged if they disagree. : What's the point? If you don't like it, you won't purchase it, and we will have wasted all that time for nothing. This is the 90's, the harsh decade of "every tub on its own bottom" -- whatever we do has to pay for itself. Anyway, think of all the other items that people want: . GUI ("100,000" dialog boxes) . tn3270 / 5250 . Tektronix emulation . Built-in LZW-like compression . Security (Kerberos, SSL, SSH, SOCKS, ...) . Chinese/Japanese/Korean . Learned scripts That's just handful picked at random. Which of these should we sacrifice to produce a "library" (in quotes because this word means something different to each person) that few people will use or pay for? Given the small number of people we can afford to pay to work on Kermit software, we have to pick our work carefully. One of the great issues of the age is "style versus substance" -- what the software actually does versus its interface. No interface will please everybody; we understand that and live with it. There is a neverending demand for different kinds of interfaces -- "Buzzword 1.0 compliance". We are not equipped to deal with that -- so instead, we supply *one* interface. It's one that we can support. If you have a problem with it, we can get you past it. If it has a bug, we can fix it. We do not have the resources to support Perl, Tcl, Expect, Rexx, DCL, etc, nor the numerous APIs that are requested from us every day (Delphi, DLL, OCX, OLE, VBX, Active X, Netscape, and on and on). : i don't think 'library' qualifies as a 'Buzzword', and if it does, : then it would certainly have a higher rev than 1.0. the biggest : platforms support the library concept: all flavors of unix, win95, : win-nt, os2, and surely others that i am not personally familiar with. : But what is the interface to the library? Come sit in our chairs for a while and listen to the conflicting demands. Company A wants "just the protocol" because they already handle the communications functions themselves, whereas Company B wants the communications and they're not interested in the protocol. Meanwhile, Company C wants the VT320 terminal emulator (but not the Wyse or Data General), whereas Company D wants the character-set support and could not care less about the other stuff. Then Company E comes along and wants -- would you believe -- the command parser. Meanwhile, to which "standard" must the library "conform" -- Delphi, DLL, OCX, OLE, VBX, Active X, Netscape -- 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, ... -- these all have different structures, different conventions, different requirements. : i'm still confused about one thing: why is it impossible for the : kermit project to make design decisions about what should go in a : library? : ... : how about the same amount as the current version of kermit; pay : for a copy of the book if you want support? : The amount of work that would have to into a "library" that would satisfy even 10% of the people who are asking for such a thing is staggering, and there are no indications that anybody would pay the kind of money it would take to cover the development costs. : and there is something to be gained: a quick tour through the : quotation rules in the kermit language demonstrates how difficult it : is to have a single syntax that is useful for both interaction and : programming. : Only when you need to refer to DOS pathnames :-) : ... one encounters similar problems when programming in a unix shell : language. don't fault me for dreaming of something better! : Of course not. But who will do the work, and who will pay them to do it? - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 6 10:12:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28117 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06087 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:12:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 with screen savers Date: 6 Feb 1998 15:12:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6bf997$60f$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34DA7A9F.4851@wcnet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8375 In article <34DA7A9F.4851@wcnet.org>, Chris Henschen wrote: : I have a client when the screen saver comes on the terminal session : shrinks to the bottom, so that one must click the session next to the : start buttom to activate it. Is there a way to keep the screen fully up : open when returning to the emulation session. : What kind of computer is it? Running what operating system and version? Using which Kermit program and version? What screen saver is it? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 6 10:31:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02495 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA07109 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:31:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: circular log file Date: 6 Feb 1998 15:31:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6bfack$6j6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <886736284.927858692@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8376 In article <886736284.927858692@dejanews.com>, wrote: : I need to set a maximum file size for my session log so I don't need to : delete the log file or run into memory problems. So, once the log file : reaches it's bottom byte, it will go back to the first line of the file : and start the new sessions from there. : : Is there a way to do this in Kermit? : Currently no. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 6 18:59:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09358 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA04108 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:59:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!128.143.2.44!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!mercury.vcu.edu!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: circular log file Date: 6 Feb 98 13:11:15 -0400 Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1998Feb6.131115.1@gems.vcu.edu> References: <886736284.927858692@dejanews.com> <6bfack$6j6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ruby.vcu.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8377 In article <6bfack$6j6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <886736284.927858692@dejanews.com>, wrote: > : I need to set a maximum file size for my session log so I don't need to > : delete the log file or run into memory problems. So, once the log file > : reaches it's bottom byte, it will go back to the first line of the file > : and start the new sessions from there. > : > : Is there a way to do this in Kermit? > : > Currently no. > > - Frank actually we used a ibm ps/2 model 30 (with the 8088 processor, yes!!) to log ascii info from a machine. the 20 meg hard drive was empty except for dos and kermit, and this respirator was spitting out metabolic info every 30 seconds... kermit kept logging for 3 days.., about 2.5 days longer than we expected it to go. could you not between kermit activations renaem the log files so you have a series of them, or is this one kermit invocation? Jim From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 6 23:08:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA08941 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA16848 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:08:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!209.90.0.8!alpha.sky.net!newshub.cts.com!newshub.nosc.mil!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Divide Overflow with 3.12 Message-ID: Date: 3 Feb 98 11:55:27 MDT References: <34D40FDC.64AB@uc.edu> <6b6jij$8g$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 60 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8378 In article <6b6jij$8g$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb>, "Doug Pickering" writes: > Charles, > > I had the same problem last year. > > The problem I had was caused by a loop to detect how fast the processor is > running. This loop did not correctly handle that the timing loop may > complete so quickly. This produced a divide overflow. > > If like me you need to use 3.12 because of the product macro then I suggest > the following: Might I ask what specifically requires using MSK 3.12 rather than later versions? > 1) Get hold of the Kermit 3.12 source > 2) Get hold of the latest source (I used 3.14) > 3) Build the 3.12 version. > 4) Run the 3.12 version with codeview and let it crash > 5) Determine where it has crashed and replace the relevent code with the > code from the latest version of Kermit. Pcwait material in file msxibm.asm, revise like this: ; new pcwcnt= old pcwcnt * [1193(tics/ms) / (observed tics / loops)] mov cx,8*1193 mul cx or bx,bx ; zero observed tics? jz pcwtst3 ; z = yes, divide by one cmp dx,bx ; overflow? jb pcwtst4 ; b = not likely mov ax,pcwcnt jmp short pcwtst3 ; bypass calculation pcwtst4:div bx ; divided by observed tics pcwtst3:mov pcwcnt,ax ; store quotient as new inner loop counter > 6) rebuild > And there you have it. Not quite. Patches will be invalidated by the change. Joe D. > Unfortunately I do not have the environment set up to do this for you any > more and the version I have has been customised slightly for our needs. You > are welcome to try our version, please send me an email if you wish to. > > Doug Pickering > Comax > > > Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. wrote in message <34D40FDC.64AB@uc.edu>... >>When I install and run this version of kermit in a pc-computer whose >>cpu is MMX I get the message: >> >> DIVIDE OVERFLOW . >>| Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. Email: Charles.Enzer@uc.EDU >>+ > > From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Feb 7 07:28:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11402 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 07:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA09960 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 07:28:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!europa.clark.net!195.173.173.151!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!ntech.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Ian J Lever" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for DOS, NDIS2 driver and RPL remoteboot Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 10:22:13 GMT Organization: LEVER Technology Group plc Message-ID: <01bd33b2$2a8a1690$1901010a@phlsvr2> NNTP-Posting-Host: ntech.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: ntech.demon.co.uk [158.152.69.247] X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 12 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8381 Dear all, I'm looking for a DOS-based VT220 terminal emulator that will: - run over an NDIS2 driver - work with the Microsoft TCP/IP stack, or possibly its own stack - work with the RPL, or possibly another, remote boot ROM Can anyone help, please? Many thanks. Ian J Lever. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 8 16:15:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05184 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17390 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:15:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news.nodak.edu!prairie.NoDak.edu!iskandar From: iskandar@prairie.NoDak.edu (Andy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: documentation Date: 8 Feb 1998 20:45:49 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6bl5ht$m3s$1@node2.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: prairie.nodak.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8383 hi all can somebody please tell me where i can manual/documentation of how to use kermit. thanks From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 8 22:19:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17726 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA06183 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:19:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for DOS, NDIS2 driver and RPL remoteboot Message-ID: Date: 7 Feb 98 08:58:05 MDT References: <01bd33b2$2a8a1690$1901010a@phlsvr2> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8384 In article <01bd33b2$2a8a1690$1901010a@phlsvr2>, "Ian J Lever" writes: > Dear all, > > I'm looking for a DOS-based VT220 terminal emulator that will: > > - run over an NDIS2 driver > - work with the Microsoft TCP/IP stack, or possibly its own stack > - work with the RPL, or possibly another, remote boot ROM > > Can anyone help, please? > > Many thanks. > Ian J Lever. ------------ Visit kermit.columbia.edu. Look at MS-DOS Kermit. For NDIS2 use my converter shim dis_pkt9, detailed in the MSK docs. No help on the Windows TCP stack, but MSK has its own internal TCP stack. Only one can be running at a given time. Remote booting has nothing to do with the comms program. Remote booting simply starts the operating system. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 9 05:52:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA25064 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 05:52:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA26807 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 05:52:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34DEA873.163@fta.com> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:55:47 -0800 From: Rob Mohr Reply-To: robm@gemstone.com Organization: GemStone Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 6.0 on Ultrix 4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: sth-ct1-8.triax.com Lines: 28 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.misty.com!news.iac.net!news.structured.net!news.triax.com!sth-ct1-8.triax.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8385 I'm attempting to compile C-Kermit on a DECstation 3100 running a full installation of Ultrix 4.4. I'm new to ULTRIX (UNIX in general really) and am having difficulty getting the program to make. After extracting the source files, I ran: make ultrix42 as the ckuins.doc file indicated was appropriate for Ultrix 4.2 and up. I get the following error: ------------------------------------------------------------- cc: Error, no source, object or ucode file specified **** Error code 2 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. ------------------------------------------------------------- Does anyone know what I might be doing wrong? i can't find any reference to this problem in any of the documentation files included in the distribution. Rob Mohr From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 9 10:41:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26507 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:41:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01265 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:41:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!inquo!news.mira.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!lucy.cc.swin.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au!not-for-mail From: rwi@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au (Ross Irvine) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 with screen savers Date: 8 Feb 1998 04:45:20 GMT Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6bjd90$hg$3@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> References: <34DA7A9F.4851@wcnet.org> <6bf997$60f$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au NNTP-Posting-User: rwi X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8386 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <34DA7A9F.4851@wcnet.org>, : Chris Henschen wrote: : : I have a client when the screen saver comes on the terminal session : : shrinks to the bottom, so that one must click the session next to the : : start buttom to activate it. Is there a way to keep the screen fully up : : open when returning to the emulation session. No. As K95 is currently a console window, it acts like a dos window in some cases, screen savers being one of them. The only fix is when k95 becomes a fully GUI program and drops the console window. Regards.. -- Ross Irvine E-Mail : rirvine@netlink.com.au B.App Sci (Comp Sci), CNA Still working on the CNE.... Communications & Network Admin Phone GSM : +61 419 565232 BreastScreen Victoria Work : +61-3-9349-2744 Fax: +61-3-9349-2711 And all round nice guy. :) WEB : http://yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au/~rwi/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 9 11:09:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02996 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02900 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:09:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: documentation Date: 9 Feb 1998 16:09:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6bn9n3$8pl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6bl5ht$m3s$1@node2.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8387 In article <6bl5ht$m3s$1@node2.nodak.edu>, Andy wrote: : can somebody please tell me where i can manual/documentation of how to : use kermit. : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 9 11:10:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03340 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02973 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:10:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 6.0 on Ultrix 4.4 Date: 9 Feb 1998 16:10:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6bn9po$8s7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34DEA873.163@fta.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8388 In article <34DEA873.163@fta.com>, Rob Mohr wrote: : I'm attempting to compile C-Kermit on a DECstation 3100 running a full : installation of Ultrix 4.4. I'm new to ULTRIX (UNIX in general really) : and am having difficulty getting the program to make. : : After extracting the source files, I ran: : : make ultrix42 : : as the ckuins.doc file indicated was appropriate for Ultrix 4.2 and up. : : I get the following error: : : cc: Error, no source, object or ucode file specified : **** Error code 2 : Were you cd'd to the directory that had the makefile and source files in it? Was there a file called "makefile" or "Makefile" in the directory? Please follow up to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 9 18:11:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29134 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:11:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA24630 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:11:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.clark.net!128.158.254.10!news.msfc.nasa.gov!niven.ksc.nasa.gov!usenet From: gigabit@iu.net (Keith Perry) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Does C-Kermit have PPP dialer capability Date: 9 Feb 1998 17:59:05 GMT Organization: NASA, Kennedy Space Center Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6bng59$q0h@niven.ksc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: kidflash.ksc.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8389 Does anyone know if C-Kermit can be used as a PPP Dialer to an Internet Service Provider? I'm looking to connect a PC with Linux or Solaris (x86) 2.5.1 to my local ISP. I have the latest "Using C-Kermit" book by da Cruz & Gianone. It really doesn't explicity address this issue in it's TCP/IP section or anywhere else in the book. Am I missing something? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Keith From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 9 18:16:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00301 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA24881 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:16:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Does C-Kermit have PPP dialer capability Date: 9 Feb 1998 23:16:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-ID: <6bo2nj$oc3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6bng59$q0h@niven.ksc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8390 In article <6bng59$q0h@niven.ksc.nasa.gov>, Keith Perry wrote: : Does anyone know if C-Kermit can be used as a PPP Dialer to an : Internet Service Provider? I'm looking to connect a PC with Linux : or Solaris (x86) 2.5.1 to my local ISP. I have the latest "Using C-Kermit" : book by da Cruz & Gianone. It really doesn't explicity address this issue in : it's TCP/IP section or anywhere else in the book. Am I missing something? : Any help would be greatly appreciated. : >From the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt 27 How Can I Exit from C-Kermit without Hanging Up? Many people want to be able to make a dialout connection with UNIX C-Kermit, but then use some other software on the connection that C-Kermit made. For example, they want to use C-Kermit as their SLIP or PPP dialer. But they quickly find that when they exit from C-Kermit, that the connection is gone before they can start the other application. It is a fundamental property of UNIX (and VMS, and Windows 95 and NT, and most other modern operating systems) that when a process exits, then every file that was opened by that process is automatically closed by the operating system. In most cases, closing a terminal device (such as a dialout serial port) hangs up the modem (by turning off the DTR signal). There is nothing the process can do about it. However, many workarounds are possible. Here are just a few: - If your C-Kermit version supports the REDIRECT command, use it to start the desired application (e.g. "redirect pppd"). The REDIRECT command runs the given application with its standard input and output redirected to the communications channel opened by C-Kermit's most recent SET LINE or SET HOST command. - Tell C-Kermit to SET MODEM HANGUP-METHOD RS232, and then configure your modem to ignore DTR (not recommended). "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Ed., p.86. - When opening the device first from another application, feed the file descriptor for the device to C-Kermit using the "-l" (lowercase letter L) command-line option followed by the numeric file descriptor, e.g. "kermit -l 6". Then Kermit will not attempt to open the device, nor to change its characteristics, nor to close it when done, and when Kermit exits, it will still be available to the invoking process. "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Ed., p.469. - When opening the device with C-Kermit, find out the file descriptor of the open device (it is given by C-Kermit's \v(ttyfd) variable) and then run ("!") your other program from the C-Kermit prompt, feeding it the file descriptor, e.g. through shell redirection or a command line option (the method depends on the other program, the capabilities of the shell, etc). "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Ed., p.356 - In UNIX, after Kermit makes the connection, type "show comm" to find out the filename of the lock file. Then suspend Kermit, delete the lock file, then start the other program and tell it to open the same tty device. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 10 09:17:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17154 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16165 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:17:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news2.chicago.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!news.bright.net!not-for-mail From: Donald Ellis Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can I restart a transfer Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:15:50 -0500 Organization: BrightNet Ohio Lines: 8 Message-ID: <34E06116.3B8D1CB1@mmtglobal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: woos-asc2-cs-43.dial.bright.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.26 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8391 I am running Kermit 6.0.192. Is there a way to continue a transfer from the point where a file transfer was stopped, like in ncftp? I have a book on Version 5, but it does not seem to have this feature. Thanks. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 10 10:11:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27837 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA18971 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:11:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can I restart a transfer Date: 10 Feb 1998 15:11:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6bpqna$5sb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34E06116.3B8D1CB1@mmtglobal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8392 In article <34E06116.3B8D1CB1@mmtglobal.com>, Donald Ellis wrote: : I am running Kermit 6.0.192. : : Is there a way to continue a transfer from the point where a file : transfer was stopped, like in ncftp? : : I have a book on Version 5, but it does not seem to have this feature. : : Thanks. The first edition of the book does not have this feature but the software does. See the CKERMIT.UPD file that ships with the source code. ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckermit.upd The commands are REGET and RESEND. See the article http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html#recover The second edition of "Using C-Kermit" contains all of the commands in version 6.0.192 of C-Kermit. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 10 11:17:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11635 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22358 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:17:31 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: Re: Does C-Kermit have PPP dialer capability Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <6bng59$q0h@niven.ksc.nasa.gov> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:41:04 GMT Lines: 24 Sender: gerlach@netcom18.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8393 In the past I used ckermit as a dialer for a ppp connection between SunOS boxes. Basically, I used the basic kermit dial commands to bring up the modem connection, and then I would use the redirect command to redirect pppd out said connection. It worked quite well for a long time, until I got an ISDN router. Matthew In article <6bng59$q0h@niven.ksc.nasa.gov> gigabit@iu.net (Keith Perry) writes: >Does anyone know if C-Kermit can be used as a PPP Dialer to an >Internet Service Provider? I'm looking to connect a PC with Linux >or Solaris (x86) 2.5.1 to my local ISP. I have the latest "Using C-Kermit" >book by da Cruz & Gianone. It really doesn't explicity address this issue in >it's TCP/IP section or anywhere else in the book. Am I missing something? >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > >Thanks in advance. > >Keith > From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 10 13:08:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05375 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28439 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:08:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!sun4nl!193.78.76.32.MISMATCH!news.cti.nl!not-for-mail From: pim@cti.nl (Pim Zandbergen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: NT Console window fonts for use with K-95 Date: 10 Feb 1998 17:09:54 +0100 Organization: CTI Software BV, The Hague, the Netherlands Message-ID: <6bpu4i$1na$1@chagall.cti.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: chagall.cti-software.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #2 Lines: 21 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8394 Sorry for this off-topic question. This surely is a Windows problem and not a Kermit problem: I know that NT is rather picky about which fonts it allows the user to select for the console window, but are there any fonts known to work ? I would really like to use Courier New (TrueType) like under Windows95. The only TrueType font that I can select now is Lucinda Console. Otherwise, an 8x16 raster font would be just I need. The only raster fonts I found on the 'net are the woafon collection (Large Friendly Letters), but they miss the 8x16 I need. -- E-mail : Pim Zandbergen S-mail : Laan Copes van Cattenburch 70, 2585 GD The Hague, The Netherlands Phone : +31 70 3067373 Fax : +31 70 3067374 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 10 14:59:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29901 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:59:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA04438 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:59:24 -0500 (EST) From: dold@79.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can I restart a transfer Date: 10 Feb 1998 18:39:46 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6bq6ti$mqc$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <34E06116.3B8D1CB1@mmtglobal.com> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.lava.net!coconut-wireless!news.flex.com!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8395 Donald Ellis (d_ellis@mmtglobal.com) wrote: : I am running Kermit 6.0.192. : Is there a way to continue a transfer from the point where a file : transfer was stopped, like in ncftp? : I have a book on Version 5, but it does not seem to have this feature. : Thanks. Soitanly! >From a command prompt, you either resend or reget. If I recall correctly, this is a smarter resned than the resume feature of ZModem, which only looks at file size, but I could be wrong. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 11 11:42:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07456 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22044 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:42:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!128.122.253.92!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.nyu.edu!not-for-mail From: jihai@PROBLEM_WITH_YOUR_MAIL_GATEWAY_FILE.nyu.edu (Jihai Qiu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] Transfer file through TCP/IP Date: 10 Feb 1998 21:40:38 GMT Organization: New York University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6bqhgm$e22$1@news.nyu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: slinky.cs.nyu.edu X-Trace: news.nyu.edu 887146838 14402 (None) 128.122.20.14 X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.nyu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8396 We want to transfer files from an NT web server to a VAX machine through TCP/IP in batch mode. If I set the C-kermit in server mode on the VAX machine on one of my telnet session, and use another NT command window to run kermit to send a file, it did not work. Could anyone please tell me how I can transfer a file from an NT server to a VAX machine without telneting to the VAX machine to bring up the Kermit, and how to provide the VAX user name and password for sending the file? Thanks a lot. Jihai Jihai.Qiu@citicorp.com 212-657-9227 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 11 12:02:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11453 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA23185 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:02:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Transfer file through TCP/IP Date: 11 Feb 1998 17:02:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6bslie$jdv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6bqhgm$e22$1@news.nyu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8397 In article <6bqhgm$e22$1@news.nyu.edu>, Jihai Qiu wrote: : We want to transfer files from an NT web server to a VAX machine through : TCP/IP in batch mode. If I set the C-kermit in server mode on the VAX : machine on one of my telnet session, and use another NT command window to : run kermit to send a file, it did not work. Could anyone please tell me : how I can transfer a file from an NT server to a VAX machine without : telneting to the VAX machine to bring up the Kermit, and how to provide : the VAX user name and password for sending the file? : You will need a newer version of VMS C-Kermit, in fact one that is not yet released. Then you will be able to tell it (for example): set host * 3000 to make it listen for a connection on TCP port 3000, and then Kermit on NT can "set host 3000" to connect to the server. We should be announcing the Beta test of C-Kermit 6.1 for VMS, UNIX, etc, shortly. If you want to try it before then, send email to: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 11 13:58:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06010 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28907 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:58:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!duck.Fluent.COM!not-for-mail From: John Stoffel Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Making kermit 6.0 hangup network dials properly Date: 11 Feb 1998 13:50:39 -0500 Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH Lines: 80 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: jfs.fluent.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8398 I've got a script I've written to send data to a bank. It's pretty simple and does the job of sending a file to a remote site. But I can't get it to quit or close the session properly. Yes, I did buy the Kermit book, but it hasn't been helpful. Probably because I haven't read it cover to cover, but I haven't had the time. Here's the script I'm running. I know it's a hack since I first wrote it from the examples in the source and from reading the man page and other docs. The book shows me the much better ways to do this, but alas, time is short. The message I get at the end is: A network connection to grumpy:2004 might still be active. OK to exit? And I really just want the script to hangup and exit without any prompts. ; Kermit 6.02 script for sending direct deposit info to the bank. ; written by JFS - 1/15/1998 version 1.0 ; todo set it up so we can ; try multiple grumpy ports ; ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; set input case ignore set input echo on ; check we're running this on mtw xif not equal "\v(host)" "mtw" { echo, echo You must run this on the host MTW, echo, quit 0 } ; We're going to use grumpy's modems to make the connection set network TCP/IP set host grumpy 2004 xif NOT SUCCESS { quit } set modem type microcom-at-mode input 4 Username: output FOO\13 input 2 Password: output FOO\13 minput 2 {Password OK} {% Access denied} xif SUCCESS {echo, echo "found grumpy", echo} else {hangup, quit 0} pause 5 xif = 1 \v(minput) { echo, echo Password OK, echo } xif = 2 \v(minput) { echo Access denied by grumpy, hangup, quit 0 } ; now dial the bank dial 1-xxx-xxx-xxxx xif SUCCESS { echo, echo sending file now, echo } for \%i 1 3 1 { ; Try 3 times to get prompt output \13 ; Send reinput 5 ONLYC ; Wait for "CCC..." if success break } xif fail { echo Failed to get ECHOC..., quit 0 } send tape xif SUCCESS { echo, echo File is sent, echo } ; why doesn't this work? hangup hangup exit Does anyone have a solution to this? Even just a page number would help. Thanks. John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Fluent, Inc. jfs@fluent.com - http://www.fluent.com - 603-643-2600 x341 Geological time is not money. - Mark Twain From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 11 14:05:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07668 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA29490 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:05:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Making kermit 6.0 hangup network dials properly Date: 11 Feb 1998 19:05:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6bsspi$nin$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8399 In article , John Stoffel wrote: : ... : The message I get at the end is: : : A network connection to grumpy:2004 might still be active. : OK to exit? : Then insert the command: set exit warning off : Does anyone have a solution to this? Even just a page number would : help. Thanks. : Pages 463-464 of "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 11 19:15:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04221 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15614 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:15:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!duck.Fluent.COM!not-for-mail From: John Stoffel Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Making kermit 6.0 hangup network dials properly Date: 11 Feb 1998 19:06:52 -0500 Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <6bsspi$nin$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: jfs.fluent.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8400 > Pages 463-464 of "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition. > > - Frank Thanks for the solution, just what I needed! John From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 12 12:41:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04203 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07395 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:41:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!nntp.Stanford.EDU!not-for-mail From: Stewart Levin Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Flushing" input characters during scripting? Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:20:26 -0800 Organization: Stanford Exploration Project Lines: 31 Message-ID: <34E32F5A.36AF@sep.stanford.edu> References: <6bsspi$nin$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: panum.stanford.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.01 9000/712) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8401 [ Latest kermit, RedHat Linux 3 (not the latest) on a Gateway 2000 PC. ] Over a dialup connection, I am feeding a short list of items to a text-based application that reformats and standardizes them against a database. Using the INPUT and OUTPUT commands to control the flow, I capture the relevant lines of application response to a log file from whence I extract the updated items offline. One ugly hack I'd like to get rid of is using an INPUT 1 ZZZZZ to flush characters arriving after an end-of-item line and before a subsequent item input prompt. Without it, the kermit application quickly hangs, presumably because of buffer limits. Is there a better solution? (Yes, I did try a couple of commands in the reference manual that reset or flush internal buffers.) Also, I found that when I wrote my test scripts to include fully-spelled out kermit commands and fully checking all status codes, the script produced wierd error messages. Abbreviating the commands made the problem go away. Any tips on other ways to conserve scripting buffer space? Embedded TAKE commands? Looping macros versus straight line expansion? - Stew Levin stew@sep.stanford.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 12 12:52:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06867 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08074 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:52:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Flushing" input characters during scripting? Date: 12 Feb 1998 17:52:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 56 Message-ID: <6bvcsi$8e1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6bsspi$nin$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <34E32F5A.36AF@sep.stanford.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8402 In article <34E32F5A.36AF@sep.stanford.edu>, Stewart Levin wrote: : [ Latest kermit, RedHat Linux 3 (not the latest) on a Gateway 2000 PC. ] : : Over a dialup connection, I am feeding a short list : of items to a text-based application that reformats and : standardizes them against a database. Using the INPUT : and OUTPUT commands to control the flow, I capture the : relevant lines of application response to a log file : from whence I extract the updated items offline. : : One ugly hack I'd like to get rid of is using an : : INPUT 1 ZZZZZ : : to flush characters arriving after an end-of-item line : and before a subsequent item input prompt. Without it, : the kermit application quickly hangs, presumably because : of buffer limits. : When you say "latest Kermit", which one do you mean? The current version is 6.0. What do you mean by "hang"? It should not hang; an INPUT command should either succeed or time out. To the best of my knowledge, that's what it does. : Is there a better solution? (Yes, : I did try a couple of commands in the reference manual : that reset or flush internal buffers.) : Like CLEAR INPUT? Normally all you should need to do is an INPUT command for the next prompt. : Also, I found that when I wrote my test scripts to include : fully-spelled out kermit commands and fully checking : all status codes, the script produced wierd error messages. : Abbreviating the commands made the problem go away. : Please send the details to kermit-support@columbia.edu and we'll sort it out. : Any tips on other ways to conserve scripting buffer space? : Abbreviating wherever possible. Kermit presently does not support "compiled scripts". : Embedded TAKE commands? : Yes, you can do that too. And macros that call other macros. And user-defined functions, etc etc. : Looping macros versus straight line expansion? : I'm not sure what you mean, but yes, you can have loops, SWITCH statements, whatever you want. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 12 13:32:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19371 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10057 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:32:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: "Nathan Gordon" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Picking up the line in Kermit 95 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:25:30 -0600 Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6bvf4j$ltf$1@Nntp1.mcs.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sheaffer.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8403 Is there any way to just pick up the line without dialing or anything? Can I monitor it without interfering with the data transfer? Regards, Nathan nathang@bigfoot.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 12 13:39:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21087 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:39:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10381 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:39:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Picking up the line in Kermit 95 Date: 12 Feb 1998 18:39:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6bvfkn$a21$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6bvf4j$ltf$1@Nntp1.mcs.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8404 In article <6bvf4j$ltf$1@Nntp1.mcs.net>, Nathan Gordon wrote: : Is there any way to just pick up the line without dialing or anything? Can : I monitor it without interfering with the data transfer? : You mean, if somebody else is using the same line and you want to watch or listen to them? This is normally frowned upon. Anyway, it would be a function of your modem, not the software. Look in your modem manual. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 12 14:05:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25920 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA11834 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:05:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: "Nathan Gordon" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Picking up the line in Kermit 95 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:00:07 -0600 Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6bvh5j$m44$1@Nntp1.mcs.net> References: <6bvf4j$ltf$1@Nntp1.mcs.net> <6bvfkn$a21$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sheaffer.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8405 No, there are other devices on the same line (fax machine, other computers, etc.) and when I try to dial, if there is no dial tone, it tells me it fails, but when it hangs up, the other computer (or fax machine) is cut off. I would just like to check for the dial tone before dialing, but without cutting the other devices off. I will look around some-more. Thanks for info. Regards, Nathan nathang@bigfoot.com Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6bvfkn$a21$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >: >You mean, if somebody else is using the same line and you want to watch >or listen to them? This is normally frowned upon. Anyway, it would be a >function of your modem, not the software. Look in your modem manual. > >- Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 12 14:21:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28619 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12645 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:21:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Picking up the line in Kermit 95 Date: 12 Feb 1998 19:21:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6bvi4f$bkb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6bvf4j$ltf$1@Nntp1.mcs.net> <6bvfkn$a21$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6bvh5j$m44$1@Nntp1.mcs.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8406 In article <6bvh5j$m44$1@Nntp1.mcs.net>, Nathan Gordon wrote: : No, there are other devices on the same line (fax machine, other computers, : etc.) and when I try to dial, if there is no dial tone, it tells me it : fails, but when it hangs up, the other computer (or fax machine) is cut off. : I would just like to check for the dial tone before dialing, but without : cutting the other devices off. : I think this must be a function of your modem. We have the same situation here -- a line shared by many modems, fax machines, etc, and attempting to dial with K95 when the line is in use results in NO DIALTONE from the modem, as it should, but the other session is not hung up. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 13 05:49:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA02377 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 05:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA26943 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 05:49:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!pln-e!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!news.ycc.yale.edu!not-for-mail From: Richard Chen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: even parity in telnet? Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:43:54 -0500 Organization: Yale University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <34E3B36A.DB443A52@fractal.eng.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: net186-67.its.yale.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8407 Hi, The script ckepage.scr for paging works great for modems directly attached to a machine. Now we have a situation where we have to telnet to a remote access device, login with passwd and then get the control of the modem (meaning AT commands work). The device uses a pool of us robotics modems. The problem is I don't know where to set the even parity. The set speed command does not work either because it is a telnet connection, not a serial port. TAP protocol requires 7E1, xon/xoff and low connection speed (2400 or lower). xon/xoff can be controlled by at&k4, speed by atS37=3. But I don't find any settings for parity control. My question is how can I set parity to even in such a telnet connection. I had tried stty parenb -parodd cs7 before launching kermit. This did not work. Maybe kermit is not the right tool in this kind of situation? Thanks for any info. Richard From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 13 09:50:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20260 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29022 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:50:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: even parity in telnet? Date: 13 Feb 1998 09:50:10 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6c1mj2$jp0@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34E3B36A.DB443A52@fractal.eng.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8408 In article <34E3B36A.DB443A52@fractal.eng.yale.edu>, Richard Chen wrote: : The script ckepage.scr for paging works : great for modems directly attached to a machine. Now : we have a situation where we have to telnet to a remote : access device, login with passwd and then get the : control of the modem (meaning AT commands work). : The device uses a pool of us robotics modems. : : The problem is I don't know where to set the even parity. The set speed : command does not work either because it is a telnet connection, not a : serial port. TAP protocol requires 7E1, xon/xoff and low connection speed : (2400 or lower). xon/xoff can be controlled by at&k4, speed by : atS37=3. But I don't find any settings for parity control. : : My question is how can I set parity to even in such a telnet : connection. I had tried stty parenb -parodd cs7 before launching : kermit. This did not work. : : Maybe kermit is not the right tool in this kind of situation? : Let's consider the common situation of a modem connected to a terminal server. How is Kermit supposed to set the speed or parity of a serial port on a terminal server? These are configuration parameters of the terminal server. There is no way to access them except from the command console of the terminal server, which is normally accessible only to its owner or manager, and is normally password protected. If you need to send alpha pages, you won't be able to share the modem in this way, because, as you point out, it must be set up in a special way for dialing the paging service, but the sharing mechanism does not allow this. So either the modem must be dedicated to and configured for paging on the terminal server, or else it should be moved to a regular computer, where Kermit can control its speed and parity, etc. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 13 11:36:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11955 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04610 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:36:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!main.de.uu.net!news.sni.de!news.siemens.de!news.mch.sni.de!michel From: Michel.Dalle@sni.be (Michel Dalle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Catching 'send' errors in a script ? -> 'xfermsg' Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:28:04 GMT Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6c1s1k$81b$1@horus.mch.sni.de> References: <6c1per$3an$1@horus.mch.sni.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: michel.ch.sni.be X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8409 In article <6c1per$3an$1@horus.mch.sni.de>, Michel.Dalle@sni.be (Michel Dalle) wrote: >I've been testing Kermit 95 on Windows 95 recently and got stuck on the >following stupid problem : catching an error message generated during a 'send' >command. >... >I've tried writing the 'errstring' variable to file, and even the 'input' >variable, but neither contains that error message. In which variable is that >error message stored then ? Sorry to have troubled everybody, the answer is the 'xfermsg' variable, and it seems to work too ! (I found it in ckermit2.upd of the patch for Kermit 95 version 1.1.15...) Michel. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 13 15:26:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26485 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA16745 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:26:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: AT&T 7300 Kermit diskette needed Date: 13 Feb 1998 20:26:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6c2aac$kt9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8410 Does anybody out there have an AT&T 7300 UNIX PC with a 5.25-inch diskette drive? If so, there is a person who badly needs Kermit on a diskette and can't seem to get it any other way. We already tried sending it to him on DOS format diskettes, but that didn't work. If you can help, pls contact me. Thanks. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 13 15:53:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03061 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18094 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:53:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: null modem file transfer Date: 13 Feb 1998 20:53:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 67 Message-ID: <6c2bs9$lo9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9802130105.aa05971@vagabond.armory.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.sco.misc:60860 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8411 In article <9802130105.aa05971@vagabond.armory.com>, Bela Lubkin wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > It's true -- I would not have guessed that Xenix 3.x was older than : > Xenix 2.x. Nevertheless, C-Kermit has been built successfully -- at some : > point in its history, on at least the following Xenix varieties: : > : > # + for Altos 486, 586, 986 with Xenix 3.0, "make altos" : : That's the really ancient stuff. I had some live Internet time : yesterday and went exploring. I was able to find mention of this Altos : Xenix binary in the ".hlp" files; it showed that it would have a prefix : of "ck", but gave no guidance on the actual filename. I failed to find : the binary. Can you identify it? : Just because the binary was built at one time long ago, that doesn't necessarily mean we ever received a copy of it, or even asked for one. Back in the old days, all UNIX versions had C compilers, and so it was not necessary to build up big collections of UNIX C-Kermit binaries. How times have changed, eh? A hunt through our archives does not turn this one up. I'll add the Kermit newsgroup to this thread (the original poster was looking for a way to transfer files with Xenix 3.x, which, oddly enough, turns out to be much older than SCO Xenix 2.x), in case anybody out there has such an an old Xenix handy, with Kermit on it. : > # + for Tandy 16/6000 with Xenix 3.0, "make trs16" : : Didn't find this either. : It's at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/ckuker.trs16 But this is not an 80x86 so I don't think it would help. For that matter, I don't think the Altos was an 80x86 either. : The original poster could need either of these, or an ancient PDP-11 Xenix : version (but your list doesn't show anything compatible with that -- the : 2.11BSD binary almost certainly wouldn't work). : Right. We used to have it for PDP-11 VENIX (note: V, not X), which worked in 64K via "page mapping" but I don't think we kept a binary for that one either. 20-20 hindsight... C-Kermit ran quite nicely on straight UNIX V7 on various hardware platforms, but I don't have binaries for that either. Ditto for System III on early PCs (PC/IX, etc). We do, however, have a binary for Bell Research UNIX V10 :-). : > In any case, I also have the very old, old, primitive, tiny version of : > C-Kermit from 1982 or so -- it can be used in a pinch on almost any old : > version of UNIX. : : Yes, but now you're a solution looking for a problem. His machine : should already have UUCP, and certainly the more recent Unix he's trying : to talk to will. So there's no need for Kermit in the first place. A : newer version with large packets and sliding windows would improve his : transfer rate. An old crufty version will only degrade his transfer : rate (94- vs. 128-byte packets, 1- vs. 8-packet window, and unnecessary : control char quoting). : True, but sometimes the crufty old versions are a great way to bootsrap the slick new ones. Btw, maximum Kermit packet size is 9000, not 128. Maximum window size is 32. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 13 17:05:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17713 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:05:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA22031 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:05:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!main.de.uu.net!news.sni.de!news.siemens.de!news.mch.sni.de!michel From: Michel.Dalle@sni.be (Michel Dalle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Catching 'send' errors in a script ? Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:43:54 GMT Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6c1per$3an$1@horus.mch.sni.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: michel.ch.sni.be X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8412 Hi, I've been testing Kermit 95 on Windows 95 recently and got stuck on the following stupid problem : catching an error message generated during a 'send' command. Basically, I'm trying to automatically send files from the PC to a C-Kermit program running on a UNIX system (via LAN). When I do a 'kill' of the C-Kermit process on the UNIX (for tests), I either get a "User typed ^C" message on the PC screen, or (after a long timeout) a "Too many retries" message. In both cases, my script correctly receives a 'failure' and the Transaction log shows a line containing "Protocol Error: ...", but I never manage to catch that error message in the script itself. I've tried writing the 'errstring' variable to file, and even the 'input' variable, but neither contains that error message. In which variable is that error message stored then ? Thanks, Michel. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Feb 14 05:51:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA09454 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 05:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA27710 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 05:51:05 -0500 (EST) Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 05:51:05 -0500 (EST) Resent-Message-Id: <199802141051.FAA27710@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!paralynx!paralynx-1!204.174.16.8.MISMATCH!paralynx!paralynx-4!van-bc!xenitec!news From: Bela Lubkin Subject: Re: null modem file transfer Resent-From: mmdf@xenitec.on.ca Submit-To: scomsc@xenitec.on.ca Reply-To: scomsc@xenitec.on.ca Cc: Frank da Cruz Organization: work for SCO, speak for myself Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 23:17:38 GMT Message-ID: <9802131517.aa08163@vagabond.armory.com> References: <9802130105.aa05971@vagabond.armory.com> <6c2bs9$lo9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: news@xenitec.on.ca (xenitec.on.ca News Administrator) Precedence: list Lines: 76 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.sco.misc:60892 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8413 Frank da Cruz wrote: > : > # + for Altos 486, 586, 986 with Xenix 3.0, "make altos" > : > : That's the really ancient stuff. I had some live Internet time > : yesterday and went exploring. I was able to find mention of this Altos > : Xenix binary in the ".hlp" files; it showed that it would have a prefix > : of "ck", but gave no guidance on the actual filename. I failed to find > : the binary. Can you identify it? > > Just because the binary was built at one time long ago, that doesn't > necessarily mean we ever received a copy of it, or even asked for one. > Back in the old days, all UNIX versions had C compilers, and so it was not > necessary to build up big collections of UNIX C-Kermit binaries. How times > have changed, eh? > > A hunt through our archives does not turn this one up. I'll add the Kermit > newsgroup to this thread (the original poster was looking for a way to > transfer files with Xenix 3.x, which, oddly enough, turns out to be much > older than SCO Xenix 2.x), in case anybody out there has such an an old Xenix > handy, with Kermit on it. > > : > # + for Tandy 16/6000 with Xenix 3.0, "make trs16" > : > : Didn't find this either. > : > It's at: > > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/ckuker.trs16 > > But this is not an 80x86 so I don't think it would help. For that matter, I > don't think the Altos was an 80x86 either. The original poster referred to an "old Xenix 3.0 system" without mentioning CPU. That's why I'm speculating about the possible CPUs. Altos 486, 586, 986 (and others in that series) were 8086 machines. I believe they had special Altos-designed external MMUs so they could actually run a protected OS (as opposed to SCO's standard 8086 Xenix, which went through the motions, but could not actually protect processes from each other -- the hardware didn't support it). > C-Kermit ran quite nicely on straight UNIX V7 on various hardware platforms, > but I don't have binaries for that either. Ditto for System III on early PCs > (PC/IX, etc). We do, however, have a binary for Bell Research UNIX V10 :-). Huh. A "System III PC/IX" binary might very well work on 8086 Xenix 3.0. But you say you don't have that one either... ;-} > : > In any case, I also have the very old, old, primitive, tiny version of > : > C-Kermit from 1982 or so -- it can be used in a pinch on almost any old > : > version of UNIX. > : > : Yes, but now you're a solution looking for a problem. His machine > : should already have UUCP, and certainly the more recent Unix he's trying > : to talk to will. So there's no need for Kermit in the first place. A > : newer version with large packets and sliding windows would improve his > : transfer rate. An old crufty version will only degrade his transfer > : rate (94- vs. 128-byte packets, 1- vs. 8-packet window, and unnecessary > : control char quoting). > : > True, but sometimes the crufty old versions are a great way to bootsrap the > slick new ones. Btw, maximum Kermit packet size is 9000, not 128. Maximum > window size is 32. Maximum size supported by the protocol is 9000. What is the likely maximum size and window supported by the ancient binaries we're trying to scrounge up? Probably 94 & no windowing. So, again, UUCP will probably serve better in this case. Kermit's a good program, but it isn't always the right solution to every communications problem! >Bela< -- Back a bit early from our world travels. Vietnam in a few months (we hope). Travelogue http://www.armory.com/~alexia/trip/trip.html still being updated. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Feb 14 08:47:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04731 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA07242 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:47:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: null modem file transfer Date: 14 Feb 1998 13:47:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6c47ab$lps$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9802130105.aa05971@vagabond.armory.com> <6c2bs9$lo9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9802131517.aa08163@vagabond.armory.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.sco.misc:60902 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8414 In article <9802131517.aa08163@vagabond.armory.com>, Bela Lubkin wrote: : ... : Huh. A "System III PC/IX" binary might very well work on 8086 Xenix : 3.0. But you say you don't have that one either... ;-} : Right. I guess this would be a good time for a "last call" to anybody who is still following this thread to send in old Kermit binaries (or better yet, recent Kermit binaries built on old or obscure systems) that we don't already show on the C-Kermit UNIX binaries list at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60ubin.html If you have any, give me a buzz at fdc@columbia.edu. : Kermit's a good program, but it isn't always the right solution to every : communications problem! : It depends on who you ask :-) - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Feb 14 21:48:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA14262 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA17586 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:48:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.5.0.44!nntp.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@85.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.3b1 Subject: Re: AT&T 7300 Kermit diskette needed Date: 14 Feb 1998 20:25:16 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6c4ujc$cva$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <6c2aac$kt9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8415 comp.sys.3b1:13885 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Does anybody out there have an AT&T 7300 UNIX PC with a 5.25-inch : diskette drive? If so, there is a person who badly needs Kermit on : a diskette and can't seem to get it any other way. We already tried : sending it to him on DOS format diskettes, but that didn't work. If : you can help, pls contact me. Thanks. I'm not positive, but I recall that you can format an MSDOS diskette that would be usable on the AT&T 7300. I think it needs to be formatted as /F:320. I know I interchanged files once upon a time, when I had a 7300, but that was a long time ago. I also used the PAX program, which was freeware, and later included on SCO Unix, to write a raw tar diskette that was 7300-usable. More to the point, I've cross-posted this to the comp.sys.3b1 newsgroup, which is the follow-on system to the 7300, and has identical diskettes, and kermit needs. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 15 11:46:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10909 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26312 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:46:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.misty.com!shady!shady!not-for-mail From: kbs=cusm@shady.com (Kevin Smith) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: null modem file transfer Date: 15 Feb 1998 11:37:42 -0500 Organization: ShadeTree Software, Inc. Lines: 19 Sender: kevin@shady.com Message-ID: <6c75km$jcc@shady.shady.com> References: <6c2bs9$lo9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9802131517.aa08163@vagabond.armory.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shady.shady.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.sco.misc:60954 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8416 In article bill@bilver.magicnet.net.REMOVETHIS (Bill Vermillion) writes: > >As to the age - I remember that the original kermit sources I had >were in the 40K size. I remember that as I had to get a transfer >into an old Z8000 Onyx - and the only way to get the source in was >to open up vi, and them dump the text into that from terminal emulator >on another computer, and then write out the source and compile it. >The floppys for xfer maxed out at 88K I have to drift off topic here since the Z8000 Onyx was my first unix. The C compiler was extra, and there was no vi yet. Did all our development in assembly with ed. I think we started with 256k memory and an 80mb disk (might have only been 40mb). Couldn't run two adb's at once or the machine would thrash to halt. Learned unix by reading the printed man pages. Ahhh, the memories. Thanks Bill. -- Do two rights make | Kevin Smith, ShadeTree Software, Philadelpha, PA, USA a libertarian | 001-215-487-3811 shady.com,kevin bbs.cpcn.com,sysop From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 15 22:39:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24099 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00696 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:39:43 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.magicnet.net!bilver.magicnet.net!bill From: bill@bilver.magicnet.net.REMOVETHIS (Bill Vermillion) Subject: Re: null modem file transfer Organization: W.J.Vermillion - Orlando/Winter Park Message-ID: References: <6c2bs9$lo9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <9802131517.aa08163@vagabond.armory.com> <6c75km$jcc@shady.shady.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:10:34 GMT Lines: 56 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.sco.misc:60985 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8418 In article <6c75km$jcc@shady.shady.com>, Kevin Smith wrote: >In article bill@bilver.magicnet.net.REMOVETHIS (Bill Vermillion) writes: >> >>As to the age - I remember that the original kermit sources I had >>were in the 40K size. I remember that as I had to get a transfer >>into an old Z8000 Onyx - and the only way to get the source in was >>to open up vi, and them dump the text into that from terminal emulator >>on another computer, and then write out the source and compile it. >>The floppys for xfer maxed out at 88K >I have to drift off topic here since the Z8000 Onyx was my first unix. >The C compiler was extra, and there was no vi yet. Did all our development >in assembly with ed. I think we started with 256k memory and an 80mb disk >(might have only been 40mb). Couldn't run two adb's at once or the machine >would thrash to halt. Learned unix by reading the printed man pages. > >Ahhh, the memories. Thanks Bill. The only work I did on that was to write a C program to interface a serial device that tracked fuel deliveries from a device on a truck and then the RAM module was brought back and read into the computer. That was frustrating as I took the device home and wrote the code there, but could not make it work on the Onyx. Some commands, all single letter would work, others would fail. So I put in print statements everywhere. The system was told to be 8,n,1. However the print statements showed that not to be true. It added parity. Of course this forced the bit 7 high, on the odd bit count. Now when bit 7 went high it sign extended and set bits 8 thru 15 high too. So I was send a positive ASCII number for the letters that had an even number of bits, and a 16 bit negative number for the others. Masking characters fixed that, but that was a bizarre compiler. I had to put the kermit in so we could transfer the NCR COBOL source code to the machine from my Televideo Telecat with MicroPort's V.2 Unix. That mean going to an NCR machine (pre System III) xfering to the T'cat, and then the T'cat to Onyx. The only input to the Onyx was keyboard or tape, and they were long out of business at that time. After last weeks experience with old hardware that should have been shot long ago, I've vowed not to do that again, and I'll just refer them to Jeff L. -- bill@bilver.magicnet.netREMOVETHIS | bill@bilver.comREMOVETHIS (Remove the anti-spam section from the address on a mail reply) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 16 07:09:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA23881 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA11377 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:09:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!169.132.11.200!news.idt.net!enews.sgi.com!news.caldera.com!inquo!news.mira.net.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!lucy.cc.swin.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au!not-for-mail From: rwi@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au (Ross Irvine) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 and command line parms.. Date: 15 Feb 1998 23:01:21 GMT Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6c7s41$l26$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au NNTP-Posting-User: rwi X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8419 I've running K95 version 1.1.15. In my k95custom.ini I have a line : define txrx take txrx.ksc Trying to do : k95 txrx 1 Cause k95 not even to load (seems not to anyway). It just exits straight away, no K95 startup screen or anything. As you can see I'm trying to pass a command line parm to the script txrx.ksc. This setup is working fine with MS Dos Kermit 3.15, but K95 doesn't seem to like it. Is there a different way to run command line options with K95? I can manually load k95, then type 'txrx 1' and it'll run the script file. Regards.. -- Ross Irvine E-Mail : rirvine@netlink.com.au B.App Sci (Comp Sci), CNA Still working on the CNE.... Communications & Network Admin Phone GSM : +61 419 565232 BreastScreen Victoria Work : +61-3-9349-2744 Fax: +61-3-9349-2711 And all round nice guy. :) WEB : http://yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au/~rwi/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 16 10:04:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15897 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:04:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20449 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:04:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and command line parms.. Date: 16 Feb 1998 10:04:32 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6c9ki0$fgl@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6c7s41$l26$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8420 In article <6c7s41$l26$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>, Ross Irvine wrote: : I've running K95 version 1.1.15. : In my k95custom.ini I have a line : : define txrx take txrx.ksc : : Trying to do : : : k95 txrx 1 : : Cause k95 not even to load (seems not to anyway). It just exits straight : away, no K95 startup screen or anything. : : As you can see I'm trying to pass a command line parm to the script : txrx.ksc. This setup is working fine with MS Dos Kermit 3.15, but K95 : doesn't seem to like it. Is there a different way to run command line : options with K95? I can manually load k95, then type 'txrx 1' and it'll : run the script file. : MS-DOS Kermit and Kermit 95 have completely different command-line syntax. See pages 465-477 of "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition for a complete description of K95's command line. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 16 10:50:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24796 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22832 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:50:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!ais.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!lucy.cc.swin.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au!not-for-mail From: rwi@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au (Ross Irvine) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: k95 Setting Parity Bit? Date: 16 Feb 1998 03:20:21 GMT Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6c8b9l$84r$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au NNTP-Posting-User: rwi X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8421 This should be the easiest thing in the work, but I can't find how to set stop-bit information on kermit 95! The old dos, set stop-bits 1 is no more in K95! -- Ross Irvine E-Mail : rirvine@netlink.com.au B.App Sci (Comp Sci), CNA Still working on the CNE.... Communications & Network Admin Phone GSM : +61 419 565232 BreastScreen Victoria Work : +61-3-9349-2744 Fax: +61-3-9349-2711 And all round nice guy. :) WEB : http://yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au/~rwi/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 16 11:25:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01156 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25028 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:25:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 Setting Parity Bit? Date: 16 Feb 1998 16:25:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6c9p95$cup$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6c8b9l$84r$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8422 In article <6c8b9l$84r$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>, Ross Irvine wrote: : This should be the easiest thing in the work, but I can't find how to set : stop-bit information on kermit 95! : : The old dos, set stop-bits 1 is no more in K95! : The SET STOP-BITS command was added to MS-DOS Kermit because so many people felt they needed to take some overt action to select 1 stop bit when instructions from their dialup service provider told them to set their communications software to "8N1" or somesuch. But it was already "1"; we have never encountered a case where any other number of stop bits was needed. There is presently no way to set stop bits in K95. To our knowledge, the last device to need any number of stop bits other than 1 was the Teletype machine, circa 1929, to give its big clunky print head time to turn around to home position between characters (these were still in use through about the mid 1970s, and I'm sure some are still in service today, but I don't think you'd be using K95 to communicate with one) (*). Do you have any special reason, other than the above, for wanting to set the number of stop bits? If so, please let us know what it is. Meanwhile, here is a quick translation guide: 8N1 = "set terminal bytesize 8, set parity none" 7E1 = "set parity even" - Frank (*) Some Telecommunications Devices for the Deaf (TDDs) might still use Teletypes, but K95 could not communicate with them anyway, since they use 5-bit Baudot code rather than ASCII. Most modern TDDs use ASCII. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 17 11:01:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14976 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13219 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:01:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: MGYF@GROVE.iup.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WHAT IS KERMIT Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:52:04 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6ccbn4$ksi$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Feb 17 15:52:04 1998 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 144.80.64.188 X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8425 HOW WAS KERMIT CREATED !! WE ARE APPRARENTLY USING KERMIT ON OUR SYSTEM and its pretty good I want More INformation on it!!! -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 17 11:32:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21552 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14875 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:32:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!oleane!calvacom!not-for-mail From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to switch on and off DTR Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:21:44 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Lines: 14 Message-ID: <34e9b890.740967@news.calvacom.fr> Reply-To: do11@calva.net NNTP-Posting-Host: parc00.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8427 Hello from France MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 which I participate to debug works very well with all my applications. Nevertheless I need to switch on and off DTR in order to test the replies of the connected device. Is there any way to do that with Kermit 3.15 ? Thank you. -- == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 17 11:53:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25419 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA16038 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:53:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to switch on and off DTR Date: 17 Feb 1998 16:53:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6ccfa2$t97$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34e9b890.740967@news.calvacom.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8428 In article <34e9b890.740967@news.calvacom.fr>, Dominique Ottello wrote: : MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 which I participate to debug works very well with all my : applications. : : Nevertheless I need to switch on and off DTR in order to test the replies : of the connected device. : : Is there any way to do that with Kermit 3.15 ? : The HANGUP command turns DTR off and then back on again. Other than that, there is no mechanism for explicitly turning DTR off or on. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 17 11:54:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25637 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA16053 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:54:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WHAT IS KERMIT Date: 17 Feb 1998 16:54:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6ccfc2$r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ccbkd$ks1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8429 In article <6ccbkd$ks1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : HOW WAS KERMIT CREATED !! : WE ARE APPRARENTLY USING KERMIT ON OUR SYSTEM : and its pretty good I want More INformation on it!!! : You can find all the information about it at the Kermit website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 17 14:53:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01179 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:53:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA25865 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:53:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.sfba.home.net!cypher.cagent.com!user From: tsw@cagent.com (Tom Watson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 Setting Parity Bit? Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:13:04 -0800 Organization: CagEnt, Inc. Lines: 65 Message-ID: References: <6c8b9l$84r$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> <6c9p95$cup$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: alfred.cagent.com Cache-Post-Path: alfred.cagent.com!unknown@cypher.cagent.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8430 In article <6c9p95$cup$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: <<>> > There is presently no way to set stop bits in K95. To our knowledge, the > last device to need any number of stop bits other than 1 was the Teletype > machine, circa 1929, to give its big clunky print head time to turn around > to home position between characters (these were still in use through about > the mid 1970s, and I'm sure some are still in service today, but I don't > think you'd be using K95 to communicate with one) (*). > <<>> > > (*) Some Telecommunications Devices for the Deaf (TDDs) might still use > Teletypes, but K95 could not communicate with them anyway, since they > use 5-bit Baudot code rather than ASCII. Most modern TDDs use ASCII. Some history on stop bits: True that 5-level (Baudot) teletypes used a different stop bit length. Typically it was 1.5 times the normal bit size. This was for ONLY 5 level machines. On the other hand, the "modern" teletype Model 33 and Model 35, which both ran at 110 bps used TWO stop bits. These were very popular until at least the mid to late 70's. General rules (there are probably exceptions): 5 level machines 1.5 stop bits (baudot code) 110 bps machines, ASCII coded (TTY 33, TTY 35) 2 stop bits. All other machines - 1 stop bit. Actually the "stop bit" can be longer than the above, as it is the 'idle' state of the line. The above are the minimum allowed. Early UART chips allowed for different character lengths. These were 5, 6, 7, and 8 bits per character (data). Another pin was the "1, or other than 1" stop bit(s). For 5 bits per character, this was set at 1.5 bits, otherwise, 2 stop bits. Parity was "in addition to" the number of data bits. This gives us the current scheme of 7E1, and 8N1, both having 8 bits between the start and stop bits. Other schemes were 6 bit characters with parity (total of 7 bits) used for IBM 2741 terminals. These beasts had all sorts of wierd protocols to turn around the line, as they were half duplex. Since they ran at 15 characters/sec, the bit rate was 134.5 bps to get the timing "just right". These relics still have a legacy in the fact that the bit rate of 134.5 can usually be set on many UARTs today. The only thing that having TWO stop bits adds is a little bit of delay between characters. But that will lead to problems. In one case, I had a machine that (by default) used two stop bits, but was sent data with one stop bit. On the reception end, this doesn't matter (two stop bits only is relevant to sending). The problem arose when the remote machine (with two stop bits) was echoing characters. It had only a one character buffer, and soon (about 1/2 way thru a line of text), it couldn't keep up. This caused a lost character in the receive stream. Turning off the echo, or changing to one stop bit cured the problem. Moral: one stop bit is enough. -- tsw@cagent.com (Home: tsw@johana.com) Please forward spam to: annagram@hr.house.gov (my Congressman), I do. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 17 15:39:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10313 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28401 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:39:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: mgibby@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: k95 over novel network Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:29:26 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6ccrm7$88c@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.67.130.55 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8431 Hello, I have a user that has a novel network setup. She uses a 8235 dialer program from ibm to assign ports for her bank of modems. She has it set up for com2. She gets a failure to initialize modem when attempting to run k95. any suggestions? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 17 15:45:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11567 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28925 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:45:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 over novel network Date: 17 Feb 1998 20:45:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6ccstc$a15$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ccrm7$88c@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8432 In article <6ccrm7$88c@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, wrote: : I have a user that has a novel network setup. She uses a 8235 dialer : program from ibm to assign ports for her bank of modems. She has it : set up for com2. She gets a failure to initialize modem when : attempting to run k95. any suggestions? : We'll need to take this one offline. There are numerous items to consider: the direct COM-port route vs the TAPI route, the exact commands used to select and set up the port in K95 (or the K95 Dialer), the make and model of the modem, the version of Kermit 95 in use, etc. Please send details by email to: kermit-support@columbia.edu The short answer should be: if HyperTerminal can use this modem, then so can any recent version of K95 if you refer to it in the same way (COM port name and modem type, or else TAPI device name). The current version of K95 is 1.1.15. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 18 05:43:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA28097 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 05:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA09711 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 05:43:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Ralf Meuser" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Prob Kermit Server under Linux Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:39:03 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 43 Message-ID: <6cedet$e0u$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: lyon2-102.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8433 I'm using the RedHat Linux and kermit 6.0.192 When i start kermit and do sh com i get this line /dev/cua1 speed 19200 mode local modem zyxel terminal bits.8 parity none duplex full flow auto handshake none carrier auto Modem signals CD off DSR on CTS ON RI off DTR on RTS on now i type server and kermit starts the server when somebody gets connected the the linux machine my modems answers and the filetransfert starts. when the file transfert is finished the client ends on his kermit with hangup. at this moment my kermit stops to serve. i get the message C-Kermit server done in sh com speed gets unknown and MODEM SIGNALS UNAVAILABLE even set speed 19200 doesn't work. I have to stop kermit and restart the make it work again. I have tryed disable finish but it is even worth. the server doen't exit but nothings works. Can somebody help me. best regards Ralf Meuser ralf.meuser@bigfoot.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 18 05:53:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA28976 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 05:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA10205 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 05:53:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Ralf Meuser" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Prol kermit-Server Linux Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:47:11 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6cee0c$edm$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: lyon2-102.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8434 I'm using the RedHat Linux and kermit 6.0.192 When i start kermit and do sh com i get this line /dev/cua1 speed 19200 mode local modem zyxel terminal bits.8 parity none duplex full flow auto handshake none carrier auto Modem signals CD off DSR on CTS ON RI off DTR on RTS on now i type server and kermit starts the server when somebody gets connected the the linux machine my modems answers and the filetransfert starts. when the file transfert is finished the client ends on his kermit with hangup. at this moment my kermit stops to serve. i get the message C-Kermit server done in sh com speed gets unknown and MODEM SIGNALS UNAVAILABLE even set speed 19200 doesn't work. I have to stop kermit and restart the make it work again. I have tryed disable finish but it is even worth. the server doen't exit but nothings works. Can somebody help me. best regards Ralf Meuser ralf.meuser@bigfoot.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 18 10:11:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19083 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13472 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:11:05 -0500 (EST) From: dz@mir.glas.apc.org (Dmitry the Zuryanovich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how can i use kermit and ppp Date: 18 Feb 1998 17:55:10 +0300 Organization: GlasNet Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6cesoe$44n@glas.apc.org> References: <34E9F085.1FFC@bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: mir.glas.apc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.rosprint.net!news.glas.apc.org!dz Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8435 Malik Ajani (ajani@bnr.ca) wrote: : how can i use kermit and ppp together on linux : to call my isp. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 18 11:32:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04263 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17799 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:32:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Prob Kermit Server under Linux Date: 18 Feb 1998 16:32:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6cf2es$8mt$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6cedet$e0u$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8436 In article <6cedet$e0u$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr>, Ralf Meuser wrote: : I'm using the RedHat Linux and kermit 6.0.192. When i start kermit : and do sh com i get this: : line /dev/cua1 : modem zyxel : RTS on : ... : now i type server and kermit starts the server : ... : when somebody gets connected the the linux machine my modems answers and the : filetransfert starts. when the file transfert is finished the client ends : on his kermit with hangup. : ... : at this moment my kermit stops to serve. : Because the connection was lost. Now you want it to answer another call? You have to take some explicit action for that to happen. Otherwise you are exposing your computer to easy breakins and other security risks. You can use something like this: while 1 { answer, if success serve } Of course there are many other possibilites; it depends on exactly what you want to do. For a detailed explanation, read the manual: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 18 11:33:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04642 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17814 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:33:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how can i use kermit and ppp Date: 18 Feb 1998 16:33:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-ID: <6cf2gj$8nn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34E9F085.1FFC@bnr.ca> <6cesoe$44n@glas.apc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8437 In article <6cesoe$44n@glas.apc.org>, Dmitry the Zuryanovich wrote: : Malik Ajani (ajani@bnr.ca) wrote: : : how can i use kermit and ppp together on linux : : to call my isp. : >From the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt 27 How Can I Exit from C-Kermit without Hanging Up? Many people want to be able to make a dialout connection with UNIX C-Kermit, but then use some other software on the connection that C-Kermit made. For example, they want to use C-Kermit as their SLIP or PPP dialer. But they quickly find that when they exit from C-Kermit, that the connection is gone before they can start the other application. It is a fundamental property of UNIX (and VMS, and Windows 95 and NT, and most other modern operating systems) that when a process exits, then every file that was opened by that process is automatically closed by the operating system. In most cases, closing a terminal device (such as a dialout serial port) hangs up the modem (by turning off the DTR signal). There is nothing the process can do about it. However, many workarounds are possible. Here are just a few: - If your C-Kermit version supports the REDIRECT command, use it to start the desired application (e.g. "redirect pppd"). The REDIRECT command runs the given application with its standard input and output redirected to the communications channel opened by C-Kermit's most recent SET LINE or SET HOST command. - Tell C-Kermit to SET MODEM HANGUP-METHOD RS232, and then configure your modem to ignore DTR (not recommended). "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Ed., p.86. - When opening the device first from another application, feed the file descriptor for the device to C-Kermit using the "-l" (lowercase letter L) command-line option followed by the numeric file descriptor, e.g. "kermit -l 6". Then Kermit will not attempt to open the device, nor to change its characteristics, nor to close it when done, and when Kermit exits, it will still be available to the invoking process. "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Ed., p.469. - When opening the device with C-Kermit, find out the file descriptor of the open device (it is given by C-Kermit's \v(ttyfd) variable) and then run ("!") your other program from the C-Kermit prompt, feeding it the file descriptor, e.g. through shell redirection or a command line option (the method depends on the other program, the capabilities of the shell, etc). "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Ed., p.356 - In UNIX, after Kermit makes the connection, type "show comm" to find out the filename of the lock file. Then suspend Kermit, delete the lock file, then start the other program and tell it to open the same tty device. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 18 18:57:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06095 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA10679 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:57:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!sanjose-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sunami.kla-tencor.com!news From: Chris Pinkard Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Getting a "Can't Open File" Msg Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:32:06 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape News Server User Lines: 21 Message-ID: <34EB6F76.837D5405@falcon.kla-tencor.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.34.254.42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8438 When I connect from K95 to a DOS box, running MS-Kermit 3.14, patch level 0, the DOS box is always telling me "Can't open file" whenever I try to do a receive or when I put it in server mode and do a send from K95. The other DOS system I have doesn't do this. Note that I can put the DOS box in server mode, and do a GET from K95 with no problem. The file and comm parameters seem to be completely compatible. any ideas? many thanks, chris p. ================ May all your goats be free of fleas, ================ and may your camels never spit. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 18 19:22:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10242 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:22:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA12178 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:22:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting a "Can't Open File" Msg Date: 19 Feb 1998 00:22:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6cftvt$p48$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34EB6F76.837D5405@falcon.kla-tencor.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8439 In article <34EB6F76.837D5405@falcon.kla-tencor.com>, Chris Pinkard wrote: : When I connect from K95 to a DOS box, running MS-Kermit 3.14, patch : level 0, the DOS box is always telling me "Can't open file" whenever I : try to do a receive or when I put it in server mode and do a send from : K95. : : The other DOS system I have doesn't do this. Note that I can put the : DOS box in server mode, and do a GET from K95 with no problem. The : file and comm parameters seem to be completely compatible. : : any ideas? : It sounds like you are trying to send a file to a DOS disk that is (a) write-protected or (b) full. There are, of course, other possible explanations, but these are the most likely. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 19 11:25:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26048 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27835 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:25:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!sanjose-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sunami.kla-tencor.com!news From: Chris Pinkard Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting a "Can't Open File" Msg Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:58:35 -0800 Organization: Another Netscape News Server User Lines: 38 Message-ID: <34EC56AB.617C3990@falcon.kla-tencor.com> References: <34EB6F76.837D5405@falcon.kla-tencor.com> <6cftvt$p48$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.34.254.42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8440 Many thanks for the reply. I tried writing to a Flash File System as well as a hard disk, both had space available, and I was trying to store into the root directory (C:\ and D:\) so that DOS' primitive permissions and security don't come into play. The problem disappeared after I rebooted the two systems this morning. all the best, chris p. ================ May all your goats be free of fleas, ================ and may your camels never spit. Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article <34EB6F76.837D5405@falcon.kla-tencor.com>, > Chris Pinkard wrote: > : When I connect from K95 to a DOS box, running MS-Kermit 3.14, patch > : level 0, the DOS box is always telling me "Can't open file" whenever I > : try to do a receive or when I put it in server mode and do a send from > : K95. > : > : The other DOS system I have doesn't do this. Note that I can put the > : DOS box in server mode, and do a GET from K95 with no problem. The > : file and comm parameters seem to be completely compatible. > : > : any ideas? > : > It sounds like you are trying to send a file to a DOS disk that is > (a) write-protected or (b) full. There are, of course, other possible > explanations, but these are the most likely. > > - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 19 19:25:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02270 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA23227 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:25:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit v3.16 ready for testing Date: 20 Feb 1998 00:25:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 137 Message-ID: <6ciihm$c4l$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8442 Joe posted this Tuesday evening, but it never showed up here. Apologies to any of you who see it twice. X-News: cc.usu.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7365 From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: MS-DOS Kermit v3.16 ready for testing Date: 17 Feb 98 19:58:31 MDT Message-ID: Announcing public testing of MS-DOS Kermit v3.16 pre-release. Experience has shown that interesting bugs appear only when people really push software, and thus we are asking you to do just that with this pre-release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.16. The basic file set is in binary file MSK316.ZIP, 186KB, located in directory kermit/test/bin on kermit.columbia.edu. There is no installation instruction nor support scripts etc in this test situation so please use your existing files. Patches will not work so please comment out instruction PATCH in your startup material while testing. Please pass bug reports and comments to Kermit-support@columbia.edu and send a copy directly to me at jrd@cc.usu.edu. What's new is indicated in this copy of file msk316.chg. Notice that some bugs existing in MSK v3.15 are unpatchable and are fixed in v3.16. We would like to release this edition as soon as bugs are fixed and our (and your) temptation to add features is restrained (temporarly). Thanks for helping the project, and we won't charge you to be a tester. Joe D. -------------- File msk316.chg - Changes between the MS-DOS Kermit v3.16 alpha 3 and alpha 2. 15 Feb 1998 1. Write the extra Line Feed to the session log when SET TERMINAL CR-DISPLAY is CR/LF (CR arrives, act as if CR/LF had arrived). 2. Correct bug in IF statments within SWITCH statments that read too many bytes for the IF statment command and hence confused SWITCH too. Changes between the MS-DOS Kermit v3.16 alpha 2 and alpha 1. 24 Jan 1998 1. Correct bug in command SWITCH which resulted in loss of \%1..\%9. 2. Stop a memory leak with keyboard macros. 3. Correct bug whereby command REMOTE QUERY KERMIT would not permit \%char variables to be replaced with their definition in the command argument. 4. Add command REMOTE SET TRANSFER MODE {AUTOMATIC, MANUAL}. 5. Correct a serious problem of sending incomplete Kermit packets over a serial port connection. 6. Add display of optional message on the QUIT and EXIT commands. Changes between the MS-DOS Kermit v3.15 and v3.16 alpha 1. 8 Dec 1997 1. Correct bug in IP intruder detection (conflicting IP addresses). 2. Correct bug which times out active TCP/IP Listen connections. 3. Correct bug which disabled use of macro on_exit. 4. Add TCP delayed ACKs to reduce network traffic on busy links. The delay is nominally 50ms. This heuristic may be removed later. 5. Extend TCP reply timeout to several minutes, for especially slow links. 6. Turn off Kermit packet level timing during file transfers over internal TCP/IP. This heuristic is subject to modification later. 7. Add granularity to command SET TCP DEBUG {OFF, STATUS, TIMING, ON}. ARP packets and round trip timing appears only with TIMING and ON. TCP states and normal operating messages appear with STATUS and ON. ON means both STATUS and TIMING. 8. Add an 8KB autocache for reading disk files during file transfers. 9. Add fast block-mode byte transfers while reading Kermit packet data field bytes, as a speed improvment on fast comms links. 10. Allow binary 0 to appear as an unprefixed code in Kermit packets. 11. Enforce prefixing of codes 127, 255, packet start of header (normally 1, Control-A), packet end of line (normally 13, Carriage Return), and 3 (Control-C). 12. Revise SHOW CONTROL-PREFIXING to display both prefixed and unprefixed control codes. 13. Add Kermit protocol streaming mode. SET STREAMING {ON, OFF}, default is off. Heuristics are still being adjusted. STATISTICS command has a new field saying streaming was used on last file transfer. Formatted file transfer screens show streaming rather than windowing information. Fastest transfers use SET DISPLAY QUIET (reduces per-packet overhead) and the file sender uses SET CONTROL UNPREFIX on as many codes as the comms channel will support (but always prefix Control-C (3) and packet start (1) and end (13) codes and their high-bit-set counterparts, plus Telnet 127 and 255. In short form: set control unprefix all, set control prefix 1, 3, 13, 127, 129, 131, 141, 255). 14. Remove command SET RECEIVED IGNORE-CHAR for being obsolete and awkward. 15. Add command SET TRANSFER CRC {ON, OFF}, default is off, and variable \v(crc). This calculates the CCITT-16-CRC checksum across all files sent or received in a group. 16. Add new options /RECURSIVE and /NONRECURSIVE to the SEND and GET commands to send or request files from directory trees. Default is /nonrecursive. MS-DOS Kermit Server mode also supports recursive requests. Directories are created as needed. Recursive requests can be rooted or relative to the current location depending on the filename pattern given. The syntax is SEND /RECURSIVE filespec and so on; a /switch is optional. 17. Add functions \frdirectories() and \frfiles() to support recursive tree walking. \frdirectories(pattern) yields the number of directory names in the tree fitting the pattern, and \frfiles(pattern) does the same for filenames. Function \fnextfile() remembers whether the recursive or plain file counting functions, \frfiles() or \ffiles(), were invoked and it produces a new filename accordingly on each call. (End) Frank again. Many of these features -- streaming, recursive directory traversal, unprefixing 0 -- parallel those in C-Kermit 6.1 and K95 1.1.16, both of which are yet to be announced, and can be used in conjunction with those versions as soon as they are available. Watch this space and/or the comp.protocols.kermit.announce newsgroup for further news. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 20 08:37:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA13419 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA19323 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 08:37:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting a "Can't Open File" Msg Message-ID: Date: 19 Feb 98 10:03:56 MDT References: <34EB6F76.837D5405@falcon.kla-tencor.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8444 In article <34EB6F76.837D5405@falcon.kla-tencor.com>, Chris Pinkard writes: > When I connect from K95 to a DOS box, running MS-Kermit 3.14, patch > level 0, > the DOS box is always telling me "Can't open file" whenever I try to do > a receive > or when I put it in server mode and do a send from K95. > > The other DOS system I have doesn't do this. Note that I can put the > DOS box > in server mode, and do a GET from K95 with no problem. The file and > comm > parameters seem to be completely compatible. ---------- And the filename is? And is the file locked open by some other process? Can you open it with a local editor (assuming a text file)? And so on down the checklist. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 20 12:39:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29941 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02014 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:39:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: mgibby@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 over novel network Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:43:35 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6ckf39$8pa@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6ccrm7$88c@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6cf0lq$jnn$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.67.212.9 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8445 On 18 Feb 1998 16:02:02 GMT, dold@11.usenet.us.com wrote in splendid technocolor: >mgibby@worldnet.att.net wrote: > >: I have a user that has a novel network setup. She uses a 8235 dialer >: program from ibm to assign ports for her bank of modems. She has it >: set up for com2. She gets a failure to initialize modem when >: attempting to run k95. any suggestions? > >You could try "set port BIOS2" rather than port 2. This should work, but >might not be fast enough to handle high speed connections. >Don't forget to "show comm" after setting a port to verify that Kermit is >happy. > >Of course, you don't mention what OS you're using, nor which Kermit. >You might also look for Int14 in the docs for the IBM, as that is another >avenue of port emulation. K95 under win95....I have the latest Kermit patch applied. > >-- >--- >Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 20 12:46:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01503 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02345 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:46:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 over novel network Date: 20 Feb 1998 17:46:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6ckfhk$5ir$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ccrm7$88c@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6cf0lq$jnn$1@samba.rahul.net> <6ckf39$8pa@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8446 In article <6ckf39$8pa@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, wrote: : On 18 Feb 1998 16:02:02 GMT, dold@11.usenet.us.com wrote in splendid : technocolor: : : >mgibby@worldnet.att.net wrote: : > : >: I have a user that has a novel network setup. She uses a 8235 dialer : >: program from ibm to assign ports for her bank of modems. She has it : >: set up for com2. She gets a failure to initialize modem when : >: attempting to run k95. any suggestions? : > : >You could try "set port BIOS2" rather than port 2. This should work, but : >might not be fast enough to handle high speed connections. : >Don't forget to "show comm" after setting a port to verify that Kermit is : >happy. : > : >Of course, you don't mention what OS you're using, nor which Kermit. : >You might also look for Int14 in the docs for the IBM, as that is another : >avenue of port emulation. : : K95 under win95....I have the latest Kermit patch applied. : So you are using K95 1.1.15. In that case, one hopes that the device would be visible to TAPI. Look in Control Panel -> Modems and see if it's there. If Windows can't see it, then neither can Kermit. If you see it Control Panel -> Modems, then configure Kermit to use it as a TAPI device, as explained in your K95 UPDATES.TXT file, Section 6.10. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Feb 21 10:32:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16176 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08189 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 10:32:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!pclark From: pclark@iastate.edu (Paul E Clark) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: auto optimize? Date: 21 Feb 1998 15:22:31 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa USA Lines: 18 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <6cmrfn$g4n$1@news.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: isum3.iastate.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8447 ISU has installed kermit 6.0 i am now having trouble downloading files. before they began using this version i had packet lengths set to 1500 and they worked fine. now with automatic packet-length optimization it seems to spend all of its time trying to "optimize" and very little of its time downloading. it switches packet lengths settings every few seconds and does not seem to download while doing these switches. the people i have asked about this suggested to set packet length lower and set window to 3 and block to 3. and to just start experimenting with these settings. no matter WHAT i set packet length to, i still have the same problem. it endlessly switches and hardly downloads. i have tried enough combinations of settings that i am convinced this will not help. is there a way to turn off the auto packet length optimization? -- Paul E Clark pclark@iastate.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Feb 21 11:49:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26963 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA12182 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:49:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: auto optimize? Date: 21 Feb 1998 16:49:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <6cn0ic$g85$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6cmrfn$g4n$1@news.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8448 In article <6cmrfn$g4n$1@news.iastate.edu>, Paul E Clark wrote: : ISU has installed kermit 6.0 : On what platform? : i am now having trouble downloading files. : What software are you using to download the files? On what kind of connection? : before they began using this version i had packet lengths set to 1500 : and they worked fine. now with automatic packet-length optimization it : seems to spend all of its time trying to "optimize" and very little of : its time downloading. it switches packet lengths settings every few : seconds and does not seem to download while doing these switches. the : people i have asked about this suggested to set packet length lower and : set window to 3 and block to 3. and to just start experimenting with : these settings. no matter WHAT i set packet length to, i still have the : same problem. it endlessly switches and hardly downloads. i have tried : enough combinations of settings that i am convinced this will not help. : I think something else must be wrong. What version of Kermit were you using before 6.0? What settings did you use in this version? Can you still use this version on the same host and connection without any problems? Any problems you are having with 6.0 can be diagnosed and fixed. Just send a report with the details of the computers, OS's and versions, and Kermit programs and versions on each end, and of the connection itself, and your settings on each end to: kermit-support@columbia.edu and we'll take care of it. Automatic packet length adjustments are done for two reasons: 1. To find the best length in the first place. You can use the command "set transfer slow-start off" to tell C-Kermit not to do this; 2. To reduce the packet length after a transmission error has been detected or a timeout has occurred, in order to reduce the chances that this will happen again with the next packet. After this, once some packets have been exchanged with no errors, the length grows back. There is no way to defeat (2) because there is no reason to. If the packet lengths are changing a lot, this a symptom of a more serious problem that, when fixed, will also fix the symptom. See "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition, 254-256 for a more thorough explanation. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 22 16:27:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26936 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:27:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA11608 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:27:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!pclark From: pclark@iastate.edu (Paul E Clark) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: auto optimize? Date: 22 Feb 1998 21:18:13 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa USA Lines: 62 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <6cq4ml$7n6$1@news.iastate.edu> References: <6cmrfn$g4n$1@news.iastate.edu> <6cn0ic$g85$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: isua2.iastate.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8449 In article <6cn0ic$g85$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <6cmrfn$g4n$1@news.iastate.edu>, >Paul E Clark wrote: >: ISU has installed kermit 6.0 >: >On what platform? > >: i am now having trouble downloading files. >: >What software are you using to download the files? On what kind of >connection? > >: before they began using this version i had packet lengths set to 1500 >: and they worked fine. now with automatic packet-length optimization it >: seems to spend all of its time trying to "optimize" and very little of >: its time downloading. it switches packet lengths settings every few >: seconds and does not seem to download while doing these switches. the >: people i have asked about this suggested to set packet length lower and >: set window to 3 and block to 3. and to just start experimenting with >: these settings. no matter WHAT i set packet length to, i still have the >: same problem. it endlessly switches and hardly downloads. i have tried >: enough combinations of settings that i am convinced this will not help. >: >I think something else must be wrong. What version of Kermit were you >using before 6.0? What settings did you use in this version? Can you >still use this version on the same host and connection without any >problems? > >Any problems you are having with 6.0 can be diagnosed and fixed. Just >send a report with the details of the computers, OS's and versions, and >Kermit programs and versions on each end, and of the connection itself, >and your settings on each end to: > > kermit-support@columbia.edu > >and we'll take care of it. > >Automatic packet length adjustments are done for two reasons: > > 1. To find the best length in the first place. You can use the > command "set transfer slow-start off" to tell C-Kermit not to > do this; > > 2. To reduce the packet length after a transmission error has been > detected or a timeout has occurred, in order to reduce the > chances that this will happen again with the next packet. After > this, once some packets have been exchanged with no errors, the > length grows back. > >There is no way to defeat (2) because there is no reason to. If the >packet lengths are changing a lot, this a symptom of a more serious >problem that, when fixed, will also fix the symptom. > >See "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition, 254-256 for a more thorough explanation. > >- Frank -- Paul E Clark pclark@iastate.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 22 22:31:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28600 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00148 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:31:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!newsserver.pacific.net.sg!not-for-mail From: 007 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit & WinFrame Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:22:01 -0800 Organization: Subscriber, Pacific Internet, Singapore Lines: 6 Message-ID: <34F1CC59.14B0@pacnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn73ppp122.pacific.net.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-PIOCT96 (Win16; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8450 Anyone tried installing Kermit95 to a Winframe server? If so, what do I need to do? Thanks in advance Robert From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 23 02:56:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA13647 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 02:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA09254 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 02:56:52 -0500 (EST) From: dz@mir.glas.apc.org (Dmitry the Zuryanovich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: rts/cts problem Date: 23 Feb 1998 02:05:12 +0300 Organization: GlasNet Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6cqav9$bn3@glas.apc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: mir.glas.apc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.sovam.com!sovam!Gamma.RU!srcc!news.park.ru!news.rosprint.net!news.glas.apc.org!dz Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8451 Ckermit: 6.0.193 A.03. OS: SCO OSE 5.04+RSc Comm-Driver: SCO standart, not fas. Modem: DSI Connection Internal, locked at 38400, it has no problems under OS/2 and OpenDOS. Problem: it works great, until I do not transfer large thing from me, no matter what way ( except kermit protocol - it is too slow, but it helps, as it was designed to ) Looks like: redir sz some_great_file.jpg sz: sending-sending-sending first 5K with an increadible CPS modem: ( generally - remote modem, tested at lot of systems) hangup. The same thing with ppp. redir ppp rts/cts ( ppp from Morning Star technologies) established LCP, getting ip and works great, again, until I do not say ftp send smth-big. The same result. .kermrc set line /dev/tty1a set speed 38400 set flow-control rts/cts set modem flow rts/cts blah-blah-blah, but w/o set modem line Then I start kermit, say connect and dial ( by ATD command) Looks like kermit doesnt set one of rts/cts flow; too many bytes is written to modem, but modem buffer overflows and it causes this error. Modem is seted up with the greatest command AT&F, and it is enough ( includes rts/cts and so on) Question: What to do ;-) Another question, advanced: so, I have sz writing to standart output. Can it set hardware flow control to standart output( via tcsetattr, or ioctl )? Is it sz's business to do it? Thanks. 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From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 23 10:57:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10647 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23326 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:57:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: rts/cts problem Date: 23 Feb 1998 15:57:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 72 Message-ID: <6cs69b$3fs$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6cqav9$bn3@glas.apc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8453 In article <6cqav9$bn3@glas.apc.org>, Dmitry the Zuryanovich wrote: : Ckermit: 6.0.193 A.03. : OS: SCO OSE 5.04+RSc : Comm-Driver: SCO standart, not fas. : Modem: DSI Connection Internal, locked at 38400, it has no problems under : OS/2 and OpenDOS. : : Problem: it works great, until I do not transfer large thing from me, no : matter what way ( except kermit protocol - it is too slow, but it helps, : as it was designed to ) : Kermit protocol is slow with its default tuning but you can make it as fast as you want to. That is the main difference between Kermit and Zmodem: Kermit is designed to work the first time, even if it is slow; Zmodem is designed to be fast the first time, even if it does not work. It is easy to make Kermit go faster, but it is not so easy to make Zmodem go slower. In case you don't have the C-Kermit manual, you can also read all about this at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt and in: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/perf.html : Looks like: : redir sz some_great_file.jpg : sz: sending-sending-sending first 5K with an increadible CPS : modem: ( generally - remote modem, tested at lot of systems) hangup. : This might be caused by inadequate flow control, but more likely it is caused by the fact that Zmodem takes very few precautions about the transparency of the connection. Many connections will hang up if certain data patterns pass through them. : The same thing with ppp. redir ppp rts/cts ( ppp from Morning Star : technologies) established LCP, getting ip and works great, again, until I : do not say ftp send smth-big. The same result. : : .kermrc : set line /dev/tty1a : set speed 38400 : set flow-control rts/cts : set modem flow rts/cts : blah-blah-blah, but w/o set modem line : Then I start kermit, say connect and dial ( by ATD command) : : Looks like kermit doesnt set one of rts/cts flow; too many bytes is : written to modem, but modem buffer overflows and it causes this error. : Did you give a "set modem type" command? What modem type did you use? : Modem is seted up with the greatest command AT&F, and it is enough (includes : rts/cts and so on) : In that case, you can also use "set modem type generic-high-speed" which does exactly this (initializes the modem with AT&F). : Another question, advanced: so, I have sz writing to standart output. : Can it set hardware flow control to standart output( via tcsetattr, or : ioctl )? Is it sz's business to do it? : No. It is not Zmodem's business to do it. It is using the file descriptor from Kermit. Anyway, if you follow the directions for making Kermit go fast, you won't need to worry about the interface between Kermit and Zmodem. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 24 09:52:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09558 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA19879 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:52:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!usenet From: "Perry Wolfe" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OLD VERSION OF KERMIT - How can I use it?!!! Date: 24 Feb 1998 14:52:36 GMT Organization: CompuData, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <01bd414d$4ee723e0$6ac9a126@perryw.compu.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.161.201.106 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8454 I am trying to send files to a VERY OLD XENIX system that had a freeware version of KERMIT on it. Indeed, I've even seen the C-SOURCE code of the KERMIT shell on this system! This KERMIT gives the message usage: kermit c (connect mode) kermit s (send file) kermit r (receive file) There are a couple of options that it gives under each command as well. There is no help, however. I have tried "kermit r" and "kermit r filename" to get it to receive a file. I'm using K95 (1.1.16 A 14) kermit protocol trying to send a file. It just never works. It never sends a single character. Any ideas???!!!! PW/pw From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 24 10:40:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19777 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:40:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22302 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:39:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OLD VERSION OF KERMIT - How can I use it?!!! Date: 24 Feb 1998 15:39:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6cupke$2i9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd414d$4ee723e0$6ac9a126@perryw.compu.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8455 In article <01bd414d$4ee723e0$6ac9a126@perryw.compu.com>, Perry Wolfe wrote: : I am trying to send files to a VERY OLD XENIX system that had a freeware : version of KERMIT on it. Indeed, I've even seen the C-SOURCE code of the : KERMIT shell on this system! : : This KERMIT gives the message : : usage: kermit c (connect mode) : kermit s (send file) : kermit r (receive file) : Yes, this one is pretty old -- probably about 1982-83. : I have tried "kermit r" and "kermit r filename" to get it to receive a : file. I'm using K95 (1.1.16 A 14) kermit protocol trying to send a file. It : just never works. It never sends a single character. : Before sending a file to this antique Kermit program, give the following command to K95: robust If that doesn't work, collect a packet log; tell K95 to "log packets" and then send resulting packet.log file to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 24 14:14:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03652 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03603 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:14:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!oleane!jussieu.fr!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMI with zip files ?? Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:02:28 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6cv5d3$63c$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: bourg1-242.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8456 I'm using a Linux-Machine with RedHat 5 and Kermit 6.0.192 When a frien sends some zip files from his pc and my kermit on server is, i get the files but they are corrupted. the .mykermrc file has set file type binary set file end crlf ... I don't understand why it doesn't work. Befor i used kermit under dos without a problem. Can somebody help me. Thanks in advance. ByeBye Ralf Meuser ralf.meuser@bigfoot.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 24 14:27:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06025 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA04196 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:27:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMI with zip files ?? Date: 24 Feb 1998 19:27:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6cv6v0$ago$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6cv5d3$63c$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8457 In article <6cv5d3$63c$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr>, wrote: : I'm using a Linux-Machine with RedHat 5 and Kermit 6.0.192 : When a frien sends some zip files from his pc and my kermit : on server is, i get the files but they are corrupted. : the .mykermrc file has : set file type binary : set file end crlf : Your friend probably sent them in text mode. In most cases, the file sender's transfer mode takes precedence over the receiver's. Tell your friend to tell his Kermit program to "set file type binary" before sending binary files. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 26 10:32:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10989 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04417 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:32:38 -0500 (EST) From: dz@mir.glas.apc.org (Dmitry the Zuryanovich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: rts/cts problem Date: 26 Feb 1998 18:12:01 +0300 Organization: GlasNet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6d40o1$fk5@glas.apc.org> References: <6cqav9$bn3@glas.apc.org> <6cs69b$3fs$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mir.glas.apc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.rosprint.net!news.glas.apc.org!dz Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8458 : : OS: SCO OSE 5.04+RSc : : Comm-Driver: SCO standart, not fas. Frank, it is a problem with SCO. When I changed standart asy to fas - everything changed. And currently, everything works. Looks like sio driver is buggy. It doesnt works with rts/cts. Or, may be, it works unproperly with some internal modems with FIFO emulation. : No. It is not Zmodem's business to do it. It is using the file descriptor : from Kermit. Anyway, if you follow the directions for making Kermit go fast, : you won't need to worry about the interface between Kermit and Zmodem. Thanks, but it seems all right with kermit. The only you should change is to add a recomendation for SCO OpenServer users to use fas. I've tried 3 FreeUNIX SCO installations: 5.0.0, and twice - 5.0.4 from a different media. And , cause for commercial distrbutions the media seems to be the same - looks like a real problem. The only good thing is that fas works. And works great. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 26 11:29:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21819 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07458 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:29:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@84.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can't change to that directory Date: 26 Feb 1998 16:27:37 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6d455p$1u0$1@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8459 I am running Kermit 95 1.1.15, 30 September 1997, for 32-bit Windows Numeric: 601193 On my PC, there are some scanned images in a directory D:\HP OfficeJet 500\images >From a Unix prompt SunOS foxtrot 4.1.3_U1 6 sun4c C-Kermit 6.0.192 Release Candidate 1, 6 Sep 96, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) I tried kermit -g 'D:/HP OfficeJet 500/images/*' which brought up the transfer screen, and then finished back to the terminal screen. I didn't see an error message. I tried an explicit kermit -g 'D:/HP OfficeJet 500/images/getthis.txt' >From an Alt-X command prompt, I did a cd d:\ then cd h? showed HP OfficeJet 500 but an escape key wouldn't let me go there. This looks like a bug that might have been addressed in 1.1.14-> 1.1.15, but that doesn't seem to work for me. By the way, I like the new "GUI patch". Very nice, with one problem. As most windows products, warning windows pop up over the top of the message that you are being warned about. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 26 12:32:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07201 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10689 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:32:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't change to that directory Date: 26 Feb 1998 17:32:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <6d48vj$2ns$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6d455p$1u0$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8460 In article <6d455p$1u0$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : I am running Kermit 95 1.1.15... : On my PC, there are some scanned images in a directory : D:\HP OfficeJet 500\images : File and directory names that contain spaces are a Very Bad Idea. Yes, they are cute for GUIs when you can click on them, but they do not mix well with text-mode programs in which commands are a series of fields separated by spaces, and therefore are not very useful in open environments using open methods of remote access, as opposed to closed, proprietary GUI methods. : From a Unix prompt : SunOS foxtrot 4.1.3_U1 6 sun4c : C-Kermit 6.0.192 Release Candidate 1, 6 Sep 96, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) : : I tried : kermit -g 'D:/HP OfficeJet 500/images/*' : The shell quoting succeeds in passing the filename to C-Kermit as a single argument, but remember the GET command (or at least the underlying protocol) lets you request several filenames at once. Thus the server thinks you have given three file specifications instead of one. Currently there is no mechanism in the Kermit protocol itself for differentiating in a GET request packet between one filename with spaces and multiple filenames. This will need to be addressed. In the meantime, you will have to do the same thing with Kermit that you do with all other text-based software when you want to cope with filenames like this: learn some awkward quoting rules and apply them. In this case: kermit -g 'D:/HP\\{32}OfficeJet\\{32}500/images/*' : This looks like a bug that might have been addressed in 1.1.14-> 1.1.15, : but that doesn't seem to work for me. : We do handle filnames with spaces in many other contexts, but currently not in this one, except as shown above. Solution 2: Use the FAT name. : By the way, I like the new "GUI patch". Very nice, with one problem. As : most windows products, warning windows pop up over the top of the message : that you are being warned about. : No comment. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 26 18:27:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18781 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA29026 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:27:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 Alpha 4 Ready for Testing Date: 26 Feb 1998 23:26:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6d4to3$eci$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8461 >From Joe Doupnik, two minor fixes to Alpha 3: 1. Correct bug where an IF statement's command ending in a substitution variable causes the end of command to be missed and thus the text of the following command is joined to this command. For example, ..., if def \%3 set term type \%3, if success connect 2. Modify the GET command to accept remote and local filenames on the GET command line, to be in alignment with C Kermit. In this case a remote filename containing spaces must be placed within curly braces. For example, GET {remote filename with spaces} dosfile.txt. It's in ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk316.zip. As with previous Alphas, you can put this right in your MS-DOS Kermit directory, unzip it, and test it without disturbing your production version of MS-DOS Kermit. Send reports to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 27 09:54:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16290 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02734 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:54:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!bignews.mediaways.net!newsfeed.metronet.de!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.siemens.de!news.mch.sni.de!michel From: Michel.Dalle@sni.be (Michel Dalle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Catching errors while executing 'run console-app' commands in K95 ? Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:51:46 GMT Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6d6jic$q5a$1@horus.mch.sni.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: michel.ch.sni.be X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8462 Hello, I'm still trying to catch all kinds of errors while I'm executing scripts with K95. What has me stumped now is the following : In a Kermit script, I want to launch a "console application" (something that runs in the DOS box of Windows 95 and NT). The console application returns a status of 0 if everything is OK, and it sends some messages to STDOUT. If the console application failes, it returns a status of 1, 2, 3, ... and prints a corresponding message to STDERR (this can be modified if needed). How can I : 1) know whether Kermit could launch the console application at all (e.g. no "Bad command or file name" message) 2) know whether the console application executed correctly or not. 3) if there is an error, catch the error messages from stderr to some variable in the script. 4) if there is no error, catch the stdout messages to some variable in the script. >From what I've seen in tests, \v(status) and \v(exitstatus) always return 0, and \v(pexitstat) always returns 1, independently of the success or failure of the console application (at least on Windows 95... ). Is there another way to catch these errors ? Thanks for your help, Michel. P.S.: oh yes, I'm running K95 1.1.15 on Windows 95, and the console application was made with Visual C++ 4.2. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 27 10:50:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28589 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:50:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05671 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:50:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: "Nathan Gordon" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hostmode in K95 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:39:43 -0600 Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6d6nb2$ql3$1@Nntp1.mcs.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sheaffer.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8463 I am trying to use K95 in host mode. Every time a user tries to connect, it answers, and then the modems hang. I have set the modem to tapi, and it answers just fine. What do I need to do to get it to connect? Thanks, Nathan Gordon nathang@bigfoot.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 27 11:15:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03147 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06865 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:15:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Catching errors while executing 'run console-app' commands in K95 ? Date: 27 Feb 1998 16:15:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 62 Message-ID: <6d6oq6$7bt$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6d6jic$q5a$1@horus.mch.sni.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8464 In article <6d6jic$q5a$1@horus.mch.sni.de>, Michel Dalle wrote: : I'm still trying to catch all kinds of errors while I'm executing scripts : with K95. What has me stumped now is the following : : : In a Kermit script, I want to launch a "console application" (something that : runs in the DOS box of Windows 95 and NT). The console application returns a : status of 0 if everything is OK, and it sends some messages to STDOUT. If : the console application failes, it returns a status of 1, 2, 3, ... and : prints a corresponding message to STDERR (this can be modified if needed). : : How can I : : : 1) know whether Kermit could launch the console application at all (e.g. : no "Bad command or file name" message) : How could you know unless you try? I suppose you can use an IF EXIST command to see if the program executable file exists, but of course that does not guarantee it can be run. : 2) know whether the console application executed correctly or not. : This depends on the program's exit status code. However, K95 has a bug in which the return code of a program or command that you start from K95 is not captured. This bug is fixed in 1.1.16, to be announced shortly. : 3) if there is an error, catch the error messages from stderr to some : variable in the script. : I don't think there is any good way to do this. First, Windows 95 has bugs in this area. When you attempt to start an application from a different kind of application (16-bit, 32-bit, Console, GUI, etc) and redirect the application's i/o, handles are clobbered, etc, and matters deteriorate pretty rapidly from there -- frozen windows, dead system, etc. Even if it worked, I don't think the Windows shell gives you a way to redirect stderr. So assuming the application wrote such messages to stderr, you'd have to run some other shell that allowed stderr to be redirected. : 4) if there is no error, catch the stdout messages to some variable in : the script. : There is a mechanism for this, but whether it works depends on the application and on Windows. It is the \fcommand() function. Example that works: echo "\fcommand(echo hi there)" prints "hi there". Here's another that works as long as the file x.x is not too long: assign \%n \fcommand(type x.x) This assigns the contents of the x.x file to the variable \%n. : From what I've seen in tests, \v(status) and \v(exitstatus) always return 0, : and \v(pexitstat) always returns 1, independently of the success or failure : of the console application (at least on Windows 95... ). : Right, that's the bug described above. We'll have a fix for you soon. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 27 11:20:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04128 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07115 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:20:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hostmode in K95 Date: 27 Feb 1998 16:20:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6d6p40$7hj$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6d6nb2$ql3$1@Nntp1.mcs.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8465 In article <6d6nb2$ql3$1@Nntp1.mcs.net>, Nathan Gordon wrote: : I am trying to use K95 in host mode. Every time a user tries to connect, : it answers, and then the modems hang. I have set the modem to tapi, and it : answers just fine. What do I need to do to get it to connect? : When a modem answers and then hangs up immediately, this usually indicates a problem between the two modems; this sort of problem is quite difficult to pin down. In Windows, there are always several ways to do the same thing; sometimes one works better than another. So before we dig deeper, why don't you try using the "set port com1, set modem type xxx" approach, rather than TAPI? If it works, we've saved ourselves some time. If it doesn't, please send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu with details: the type of modem you have, the version of Windows, etc, plus exactly what you mean by "hang". - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Feb 28 15:56:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16891 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05381 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:56:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub1.wanet.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!ais.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!krypton.inbe.net!INbe.net!be007054 From: michel.dalle@village.uunet.be (Michel Dalle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Catching errors while executing 'run console-app' commands in K95 ? Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:29:52 GMT Organization: UUNET Benelux (post does not reflect views of UUNET Benelux) Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6d8vrv$br1$1@xenon.inbe.net> References: <6d6jic$q5a$1@horus.mch.sni.de> <6d6oq6$7bt$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool03-194-7-13-116.uunet.be X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8466 In article <6d6oq6$7bt$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <6d6jic$q5a$1@horus.mch.sni.de>, >Michel Dalle wrote: >: In a Kermit script, I want to launch a "console application" (something that >: runs in the DOS box of Windows 95 and NT). The console application returns a >: status of 0 if everything is OK, and it sends some messages to STDOUT. If >: the console application failes, it returns a status of 1, 2, 3, ... and >: prints a corresponding message to STDERR (this can be modified if needed). >... >: 2) know whether the console application executed correctly or not. >: >This depends on the program's exit status code. However, K95 has a bug in >which the return code of a program or command that you start from K95 is not >captured. This bug is fixed in 1.1.16, to be announced shortly. >... >: From what I've seen in tests, \v(status) and \v(exitstatus) always return 0, >: and \v(pexitstat) always returns 1, independently of the success or failure >: of the console application (at least on Windows 95... ). >: >Right, that's the bug described above. We'll have a fix for you soon. > Sorry to be pushy, but any idea when 1.1.16 is going to be available exactly ? On the Kermit Website, it mentions March 1998, but is this tomorrow or on the 31st of March ? The reason I ask is because I'm right in the middle of coding a script for a financial institution, and tests are planned for the end of the week. I need to do some file modifications during the script, and I wanted to do that in a separate program because Kermit scripts were not the most appropriate tool (for that). But if I can't reliably catch errors this way, I'll have to do the file modifications in Kermit itself (ouch), or create an error file if things go wrong in the console app (similar to what's do like in host.ksc when executing DOS commands). Any ideas ? And do all these error catching problems also occur on Windows NT ? Michel. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 1 21:54:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24670 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 21:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA06817 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 21:54:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!agate!news.Stanford.EDU!nntp.Stanford.EDU!not-for-mail From: Stewart Levin Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: xtkermit 1.1 update Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 18:39:28 -0800 Organization: Stanford Exploration Project Lines: 9 Message-ID: <34FA1BDF.50E60F9B@sep.stanford.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: koko.stanford.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8467 I've updated the xtpanel-based "xtkermit" utility that provides simple pop-up menus to run Unix kermit. Generic kermit commands such as "Connect" and "Local Escape" are now on a separate "Kermit Commands" menu. Follow the link from the regular Columbia kermit web page or go directly to http://sepwww.stanford.edu/oldsep/stew/. - Stew Levin From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 2 12:25:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02369 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07783 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:25:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Catching errors while executing 'run console-app' commands in K95 ? Date: 2 Mar 1998 17:25:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6deq2d$esb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6d6jic$q5a$1@horus.mch.sni.de> <6d6oq6$7bt$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6d8vrv$br1$1@xenon.inbe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8468 In article <6d8vrv$br1$1@xenon.inbe.net>, Michel Dalle wrote: : ... : Sorry to be pushy, but any idea when 1.1.16 is going to be available : exactly? On the Kermit Website, it mentions March 1998, but is this : tomorrow or on the 31st of March ? : We don't withhold information in our answers to questions. If we had a precise release date, we'd give it. For any new release, there is a testing process. If problems are discovered in the field, then we correct or work around them prior to the release. We keep doing this until all known problems are addressed because it is in nobody's best interest to release buggy software. : And do all these error catching problems also occur on Windows NT ? : It turns out that the lack of status codes returned from external programs invoked from K95 was the result of two bugs: one in Kermit 95 (corrected in 1.1.16) and the other in the Windows 95 command shell. The latter bug does not occur in the Windows NT command shell, nor in any of the known alternative (non-Microsoft) command shells for Windows 95. Therefore, Kermit 95 1.1.16 will obtain and report an external program's or command's exit status if the intervening command shell reports it to Kermit 95. If you are using Windows 95, you'll need to install an alternative command shell like Hamilton C-Shell, 4DOS, etc, that does what a command shell is supposed to do. If you have Windows NT, all this should work fine with any shell. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 4 07:59:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA25730 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA07967 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:59:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!159.140.254.11!MAILWHQ.CERNER.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.140.40.74 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:55:19 -0600 Message-ID: <01bd42e7$474d2a80$4a288c9f@rpe0024> From: "Bob Hansen" Subject: Kermit protocol specification Organization: Cerner Corporation X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8470 How can I get a copy of the Kermit protocol specification? I also need the file transfer specification for XMODEM and ZMODEM. Any help on these specifications would be appreciated also. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 4 09:31:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09040 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA12782 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:31:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit protocol specification Date: 4 Mar 1998 14:31:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6djojr$7fh$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd42e7$474d2a80$4a288c9f@rpe0024> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8471 In article <01bd42e7$474d2a80$4a288c9f@rpe0024>, Bob Hansen wrote: : How can I get a copy of the Kermit protocol specification? : See the Kermit web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 5 12:00:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05673 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02687 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:00:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.siemens.de!news.mch.sni.de!michel From: Michel.Dalle@sni.be (Michel Dalle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Catching errors with line or modem ? Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 16:37:55 GMT Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6dmcvi$ats$1@horus.mch.sni.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: michel.ch.sni.be X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8472 Hi again, My environment : - Windows NT 4.0 - Kermit 95 v1.1.15 (and v1.1.16beta) - "Standard 28800 bps modem" defined on COM1 (TAPI) for serial connection, with just the default configuration options - there is NO actual modem attached to COM1!!! (or it is switched off) My basic script : set tapi line if fail echo TAPI failed input 10 {blabla } if fail echo Input failed with status \v(instatus) output \13\10 if fail echo Output failed What happens : - set tapi line : never fails. --> NOT CORRECT !? - input 10 {blabla } : fails. In v1.1.15, \v(instatus) is 1 (= Timed out). --> NOT CORRECT In v1.1.16beta, \v(instatus) is 3 (= Internal error), and Kermit shows me '?Connection to Standard 28800 bps Modem is not open' - output \13\10 : never fails. --> NOT CORRECT !? (the same thing happens if I try "set line com1" instead of "set tapi line") How can I, in this script, detect that there is a MODEM problem, rather than that the other side never sent me 'blabla ' ? The only clue I have is in v1.1.16beta, with the "internal error" status. But shouldn't the 'tapi' and the 'output' also fail ??? Any ideas ? (I thought of \v(dialstatus) too, but since I never dial...) Michel. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 5 15:59:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24329 for ; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15225 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:59:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Catching errors with line or modem ? Date: 5 Mar 1998 20:59:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 56 Message-ID: <6dn3mr$9s2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6dmcvi$ats$1@horus.mch.sni.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8473 In article <6dmcvi$ats$1@horus.mch.sni.de>, Michel Dalle wrote: : Hi again, : : My environment : : - Windows NT 4.0 : - Kermit 95 v1.1.15 (and v1.1.16beta) : - "Standard 28800 bps modem" defined on COM1 (TAPI) for serial connection, : with just the default configuration options : - there is NO actual modem attached to COM1!!! (or it is switched off) : : My basic script : : set tapi line : if fail echo TAPI failed : : input 10 {blabla } : if fail echo Input failed with status \v(instatus) : : output \13\10 : if fail echo Output failed : : What happens : : - set tapi line : never fails. --> NOT CORRECT !? SET TAPI LINE fails if the device to which you are attempting to attach is either in use or is known to Windows to be not installed in the machine. For an external modem, this would be only if the serial port did not exist. Plug and Play devices will fail if they are not installed or turned off. : - input 10 {blabla } : fails. : In v1.1.15, \v(instatus) is 1 (= Timed out). --> NOT CORRECT : In v1.1.16beta, \v(instatus) is 3 (= Internal error), and Kermit shows me : '?Connection to Standard 28800 bps Modem is not open' 1.1.16 is the proper behavior. : - output \13\10 : never fails. --> NOT CORRECT !? This is a bug that has now been fixed in 1.1.16. : (the same thing happens if I try "set line com1" instead of "set tapi line") Because the serial port accepts the data. : How can I, in this script, detect that there is a MODEM problem, rather than : that the other side never sent me 'blabla ' ? The only clue I have is in : v1.1.16beta, with the "internal error" status. But shouldn't the 'tapi' and : the 'output' also fail ??? output 'yes', tapi 'no. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 9 11:56:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24662 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:56:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26882 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:55:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.siemens.de!news.mch.sni.de!michel From: Michel.Dalle@sni.be (Michel Dalle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Opening shared files with Kermit 95 ? Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 18:49:18 GMT Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6e1655$8n9$1@horus.mch.sni.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: michel.ch.sni.be X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8475 Hi, is there a way, in Kermit 95, to open shared files (where some bytes are already locked by another application) ? The context is the following : An NT application and a Kermit script use a common logfile for specifying files to be transferred, the status of each transfer etc. When the NT application wants to add a new file to be transmitted, it opens the logfile as shared (e.g. in C : with _sopen(...,_SH_DENYNO,...), so that other applications can still read and write to that file), locks some bytes at the end of the logfile, adds the new entry, unlocks the bytes again and closes the logfile. In the meantime, the Kermit script may have to open the same logfile to check which files are to be transmitted. However, when I try to "open read logfile" when the NT application has locked those bytes, the only result I get is errno 13 (Permission denied). What exactly is behind the "open read" command in K-95 ? Michel. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 9 13:34:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17444 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01846 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:34:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Opening shared files with Kermit 95 ? Date: 9 Mar 1998 18:34:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6e1cnt$fga$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6e1655$8n9$1@horus.mch.sni.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8476 In article <6e1655$8n9$1@horus.mch.sni.de>, Michel Dalle wrote: : Hi, : : is there a way, in Kermit 95, to open shared files (where some bytes are : already locked by another application) ? No. Kermit Script files must not be opened for writing by another application. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 10 04:27:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA00161 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA17130 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:26:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.siemens.de!news.mch.sni.de!michel From: Michel.Dalle@sni.be (Michel Dalle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Opening shared files with Kermit 95 ? Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:16:18 GMT Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6e2vv7$ii5$1@horus.mch.sni.de> References: <6e1655$8n9$1@horus.mch.sni.de> <6e1cnt$fga$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: michel.ch.sni.be X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8477 In article <6e1cnt$fga$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: >In article <6e1655$8n9$1@horus.mch.sni.de>, >Michel Dalle wrote: >:... >: is there a way, in Kermit 95, to open shared files (where some bytes are >: already locked by another application) ? >:... >No. Kermit Script files must not be opened for writing by another application. Maybe I wasn't clear enough : my question was how OTHER (data-) files could be read BY a Kermit script (while they were already opened by another application) : See original post : >>In the meantime, the Kermit script may have to open the same logfile to check >>which files are to be transmitted. However, when I try to "open read >>logfile" when the NT application has locked those bytes, the only result I get >>is errno 13 (Permission denied). Michel. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 10 09:43:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09067 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03987 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:43:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Opening shared files with Kermit 95 ? Date: 10 Mar 1998 14:43:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6e3ji9$of8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6e1655$8n9$1@horus.mch.sni.de> <6e1cnt$fga$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6e2vv7$ii5$1@horus.mch.sni.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8478 In article <6e2vv7$ii5$1@horus.mch.sni.de>, Michel Dalle wrote: : Maybe I wasn't clear enough : my question was how OTHER (data-) files could be : read BY a Kermit script (while they were already opened by another : application) : Files opened by Kermit scripts whether the scripts files themselves, files to be transferred to a host, or files to be read with the OPEN READ command may not be opened for writing by other applications. Allowing a file to be written to while it is being read in a sequential manner can lead to data corruption or improper script execution. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 11 15:52:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09922 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23336 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:52:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!wnfeed!204.127.130.5!worldnet.att.net!news.u.washington.edu!homer17.u.washington.edu!bbaldwin From: "B. Baldwin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Customize Kermit95 help Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:43:29 -0800 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: homer17.u.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: nntp6.u.washington.edu 889649013 10184 (None) 140.142.64.6 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-User: bbaldwin Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8479 Can you customize the popup (ALT-X) in Kermit95? Brian Baldwin Computer Support University of Washington Grant and Contract Accounting From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 11 16:00:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11830 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23830 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:00:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Customize Kermit95 help Date: 11 Mar 1998 21:00:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6e6u1t$gg8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8480 In article , B. Baldwin wrote: : Can you customize the popup (ALT-X) in Kermit95? Do you mean Alt-H, the Help Kverb? Not at the current time. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 12 09:35:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07397 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA15964 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:35:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.uunet.ca!mks!news From: davidf@mks.com (David J. Fiander) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.16? Date: 12 Mar 1998 08:53:23 -0500 Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc. Lines: 5 Sender: davidf@davidf_nt.mks.com Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pc-269.pc.mks.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8482 I noticed that there's an alpha 3.16 available. What happened to the full 3.15 with updated text files? Did you decide to skip that and go directly to 3.16? - David From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 12 09:50:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10318 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17057 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:50:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.16? Date: 12 Mar 1998 14:50:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6e8sof$jij$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8483 In article , David J. Fiander wrote: : I noticed that there's an alpha 3.16 available. What happened to : the full 3.15 with updated text files? Did you decide to skip : that and go directly to 3.16? : I guess so. We would like to be able to produce a totally consistent package with each release (new manual, all new online files, etc), but there are only so many hours in the day. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 12 10:34:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20752 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19245 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:34:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.idt.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!usenet From: "Perry Wolfe" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: A thank you to FRANK da CRUZ Date: 12 Mar 1998 15:32:56 GMT Organization: CompuData, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bd4de4$e07e55a0$6ac9a126@perryw.compu.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.161.201.106 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8484 Thank you VERY much about your information concerning an old version of KERMIT. I finally used it today. It worked fantastic! Using KERMIT ROBUST, I was able to suck up a tar archive from a REALLY ANCIENT UNIX system. I would have had to send a service tech to the customer for a backup tape without that old KERMIT (and the new one). Thanks again, PW/pw LOYAL to KERMIT! From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 12 13:34:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29533 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28963 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:34:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.clark.net!169.207.30.81!newsfeeds.sol.net!newsops.execpc.com!posts.execpc.com!gotham-globe.newsops.execpc.com!usenet From: manning@execpc.com (Steve Manning) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 questions on SCOANSI Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:10:19 GMT Organization: Exec-PC BBS Internet - Milwaukee, WI Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6e98bt$f4u@newsops.execpc.com> Reply-To: manning@execpc.com NNTP-Posting-Host: aston-1.mdm.mke.execpc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: gotham-globe.newsops.execpc.com 889726141 15518 (None) 169.207.85.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@execpc.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8485 We're using K95 1.1.15. When using the SCOANSI terminal type, if I don't set TELNET TERMINAL-TYPE to ANSI, when I connect to an SCO OpenServer 5.0.4 system, K95 negotiates itself to H19(!). I read the info in BUGS.TXT on setting TERMINAL-TYPE and CHARACTER-SET with the SCOANSI term type, so I was able to get it working. 1. Why does it negotiate to H19 of all things? 2. The actual SCO console supports color, but am unable to get the SCOANSI emulation to display color. Does color work with SCOANSI? I'm also having a problem in a specific application when I use the AT386 emulation. When the application starts up, it is clearing the screen with spaces (ugh), but it has kicked into alternate character set mode first, so all the spaces come out as accented "a"'s. When I sit down at the console of one of our NCR SVR4 systems, which allege to be "at386" too, and rlogin over to the SCO box where the application lives, the screen appears to clear normally. Any ideas why I'm seeing this behaviour or how to correct it? I've captured the output of the rlogin session with truss, and I'll be going over the escape sequences to try to figure out what is causing the discrepancy. That'll probably take a while, and I don't have an "AT386" spec that I can refer to, so if anyone has insights I'd sure appreciate 'em. Steve Manning System Administrator Mega Marts Inc. Milwaukee, WI USA manning@execpc.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 12 13:43:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00967 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29310 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:43:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 questions on SCOANSI Date: 12 Mar 1998 18:43:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6e9abq$rfn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6e98bt$f4u@newsops.execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8486 In article <6e98bt$f4u@newsops.execpc.com>, Steve Manning wrote: : We're using K95 1.1.15. : : When using the SCOANSI terminal type, if I don't set TELNET : TERMINAL-TYPE to ANSI, when I connect to an SCO OpenServer 5.0.4 : system, K95 negotiates itself to H19(!). I read the info in BUGS.TXT : on setting TERMINAL-TYPE and CHARACTER-SET with the SCOANSI term type, : so I was able to get it working. : : 1. Why does it negotiate to H19 of all things? : Like it says in the BUGS.TXT file, K95 says "SCOANSI", SCO says it never heard of that, so the two sides proceed down their lists of terminal names until they find one they can agree on -- evidently H19 is the first. : 2. The actual SCO console supports color, but am unable to get the : SCOANSI emulation to display color. Does color work with SCOANSI? : Of course. If you're not seeing color then the SCO side is not using the right terminal type. Again, as explained in BUGS.TXT item 253, there is no standard name for this emulation, so confusion abounds. : I'm also having a problem in a specific application when I use the : AT386 emulation. When the application starts up, it is clearing the : screen with spaces (ugh), but it has kicked into alternate character : set mode first, so all the spaces come out as accented "a"'s. : Send us a session log and we'll take a look. Tell K95 to "log session". Then make the connection, then start the application. After the problem screen has been displayed, "close session" and send us the log as a binary attachment, or a uuencoded binary file. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 12 17:29:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17829 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11399 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:29:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.69.200.121!news.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: jabr@mindspring.com (John Brnich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for sco xenix Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:29:59 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6e9nig$npb$1@camel29.mindspring.com> Reply-To: jabr@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-38lcci3.dialup.mindspring.com X-Server-Date: 12 Mar 1998 22:28:32 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8487 The following code crashes b4 the enter file name line with the message "line too long or contains nul characters". I can't find any unwanted characters using "vi". The set commands are accepted and it does ask for user name and password. What is wrong? I would appreciate your input. John. :begin set modem type multitech set line /dev/tty1a set speed 9600 ;set autodownload on echo \13 :getname ask \%n Enter your User Name: ask \%p Hello, \%n, Enter your Password: :filename ;set var a=1 user inputs file name cd /absclaims ;q=quit program x=no file to send def {\%a} {1} ;valid file sets var a to filename while equal {\%a} {1} { ;which ends the loop ask \%f Enter File Name (x=no file q=quit): if equal {\%f} {q} goto theend xif equal {\%f} {x} { asg \%a \%f } else { xif not exist \%f { echo File does not exist Enter a valid file name pause 3 echo \13 } else { asg \%a \%f } } } From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 12 17:46:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23072 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:46:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA12276 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:46:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for sco xenix Date: 12 Mar 1998 22:46:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6e9ol0$6dl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6e9nig$npb$1@camel29.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8488 In article <6e9nig$npb$1@camel29.mindspring.com>, John Brnich wrote: : The following code crashes b4 the enter file name line with the : message "line too long or contains nul characters". I can't find any : unwanted characters using "vi". The set commands are accepted and it : does ask for user name and password. What is wrong? : If the command does not contain any NUL characters, it must be too long. C-Kermit's command buffer limits the size of macro definitions, bracketed code blocks, etc. There are two solutions: . Rebuild C-Kermit for your platform with the "large memory model": make KFLAGS=-DBIGBUFOK . Break up your macro definitions or bracketed blocks into smaller pieces. If you have long { ... } blocks, try extracting sections from them, defining them as macros, and then calling the macros from inside the blocks. Version 6.1 eases the restriction on maximum lengths of many things, but remember: the restrictions were there in the first place for a reason. On old PCs (as you are likely to be running Xenix on), big programs tend to make the poor computer swap itself to death, or worse. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 13 03:20:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA00986 for ; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 03:20:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA11158 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 13 Mar 1998 03:20:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!main.de.uu.net!news-reader.dortmund.de.uu.net!not-for-mail From: Peter Eckhardt Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 questions on SCOANSI Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:21:09 +0100 Organization: RGW Express Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3508EC75.97FD2CE3@transcom.de> References: <6e98bt$f4u@newsops.execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.103.163.129 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; I) To: manning@execpc.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8489 Hi, i usually add an scoansi entry to both termcap and terminfo. In termcap you can add the scoansi as an alias in the line where you find the ansi terminal. In terminfo link /usr/lib/terminfo/a/ansi to /usr/lib/terminfo/s/scoansi. That should do the trick. Peter Steve Manning wrote: > > We're using K95 1.1.15. > > When using the SCOANSI terminal type, if I don't set TELNET > TERMINAL-TYPE to ANSI, when I connect to an SCO OpenServer 5.0.4 > system, K95 negotiates itself to H19(!). I read the info in BUGS.TXT > on setting TERMINAL-TYPE and CHARACTER-SET with the SCOANSI term type, > so I was able to get it working. > > 1. Why does it negotiate to H19 of all things? stuff deleted > > I've captured the output of the rlogin session with truss, and I'll be > going over the escape sequences to try to figure out what is causing > the discrepancy. That'll probably take a while, and I don't have an > "AT386" spec that I can refer to, so if anyone has insights I'd sure > appreciate 'em. > > Steve Manning > System Administrator > Mega Marts Inc. > Milwaukee, WI USA > manning@execpc.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 17 10:41:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02128 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15167 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:41:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.jhuapl.edu!usenet From: Skip Collins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: compiling ckermit with cygnus win32 tools Date: 17 Mar 1998 10:38:10 -0500 Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab, Laurel, MD, USA Lines: 13 Sender: collibf1@COLLIBF1 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: collibf1-2.jhuapl.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8492 I have compiled ckermit 6.0.192 using the cygnus b19.1 tools under windows 95. As a start I used the linux make and removed the curses and tcp stuff. The compilation completed without a hitch. I can run the program, but I am having difficulty getting to the serial ports. The Cygnus documentation does not really mention serial communication. I tried "mount"ing COM1: as /dev/com1. But "set line /dev/com1" gives Sorry, can't open connection: /dev/com1 Does anyone else have experience with ckermit and cygnus? Skip Collins From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 17 11:23:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08727 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17444 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:23:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compiling ckermit with cygnus win32 tools Date: 17 Mar 1998 16:23:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6em818$8ge$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8493 In article , Skip Collins wrote: : I have compiled ckermit 6.0.192 using the cygnus b19.1 tools under : windows 95. As a start I used the linux make and removed the curses : and tcp stuff. The compilation completed without a hitch. I can run : the program, but I am having difficulty getting to the serial : ports. The Cygnus documentation does not really mention serial : communication. I tried "mount"ing COM1: as /dev/com1. But "set line : /dev/com1" gives : : Sorry, can't open connection: /dev/com1 : : Does anyone else have experience with ckermit and cygnus? : There already is a version of C-Kermit for Windows 95; it's called Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html You probably didn't realize that it takes several hundred thousand lines of specialized code and some years of work to do what you are trying to do. Luckily, we have already done all that so you don't have to. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 17 15:51:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03327 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02628 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:51:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.jhuapl.edu!usenet From: Skip Collins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compiling ckermit with cygnus win32 tools Date: 17 Mar 1998 15:24:18 -0500 Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab, Laurel, MD, USA Lines: 14 Sender: collibf1@COLLIBF1 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: collibf1-2.jhuapl.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8494 I wrote: > I have compiled ckermit 6.0.192 using the cygnus b19.1 tools under > windows 95. As a start I used the linux make and removed the curses > and tcp stuff. The compilation completed without a hitch. I can run > the program, but I am having difficulty getting to the serial > ports. After I compiled with -DNOUUCP and fixed the way I mounted COM1 and COM2, serial transfer worked like a charm on a few simple tests. Currently, the command line gets a little garbled. But that is probably pretty easy to fix. Now, if I can go back and fix uucp lock files, ncurses, and tcp, the end result should be pretty nice. Skip Collins From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 17 17:00:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16914 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:00:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA06207 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:00:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compiling ckermit with cygnus win32 tools Date: 17 Mar 1998 16:59:56 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6emros$gdl@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8495 In article , Skip Collins wrote: : I wrote: : > I have compiled ckermit 6.0.192 using the cygnus b19.1 tools under : > windows 95. As a start I used the linux make and removed the curses : > and tcp stuff. The compilation completed without a hitch. I can run : > the program, but I am having difficulty getting to the serial : > ports. : : After I compiled with -DNOUUCP and fixed the way I mounted COM1 and : COM2, serial transfer worked like a charm on a few simple tests. : Currently, the command line gets a little garbled. But that is : probably pretty easy to fix. Now, if I can go back and fix uucp lock : files, ncurses, and tcp, the end result should be pretty nice. : Nice for what purpose? It would lack terminal emulation, XYZmodem file transfer, Windows Telephony, scrollback in command and terminal modes, mouse actions, printer control, Browser hotspots, keyboard mapping for all keys and key combinations, support for Windows code pages and/or Unicode, and countless other Windows-specific items that Windows users ask for. UNIX C-Kermit is designed for, and supported under, UNIX. If it can be compiled under Windows using UNIX compatibility libraries such as Cygwin-32, OpenWindows, or UWIN, it might or might not work; if it works, it might work well or poorly, but in any case the result is not supportable. We already have a mature and supported native product for Windows 95, one which is under constant development. There is no need to start over. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 17 18:15:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01507 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:15:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA10420 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:15:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.jhuapl.edu!usenet From: Skip Collins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compiling ckermit with cygnus win32 tools Date: 17 Mar 1998 17:53:57 -0500 Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab, Laurel, MD, USA Lines: 45 Sender: collibf1@COLLIBF1 Message-ID: References: <6emros$gdl@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: collibf1-2.jhuapl.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8496 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article , > Skip Collins wrote: > : > : After I compiled with -DNOUUCP and fixed the way I mounted COM1 and > : COM2, serial transfer worked like a charm on a few simple tests. > : Currently, the command line gets a little garbled. But that is > : probably pretty easy to fix. Now, if I can go back and fix uucp lock > : files, ncurses, and tcp, the end result should be pretty nice. > : > Nice for what purpose? Nice for the same purposes that C-Kermit running on a Linux box is nice: because it could provide a functional Kermit with some pretty advanced features. I am not claiming that this should replace K95. I am only doing it to get a feel for how well I can expect complex programs to port. So far, I am pleasantly surprised. > It would lack terminal emulation, XYZmodem file transfer, Windows > Telephony, scrollback in command and terminal modes, mouse actions, > printer control, Browser hotspots, keyboard mapping for all keys and > key combinations, support for Windows code pages and/or Unicode, and > countless other Windows-specific items that Windows users ask for. But if I don't need those things, and if I don't need support, and if it works well (a big if), why not? > UNIX C-Kermit is designed for, and supported under, UNIX. If it can > be compiled under Windows using UNIX compatibility libraries such as > Cygwin-32, OpenWindows, or UWIN, it might or might not work; if it > works, it might work well or poorly, but in any case the result is not > supportable. > > We already have a mature and supported native product for Windows 95, > one which is under constant development. There is no need to start > over. I am doing this mostly for fun. If I can get it working in two afternoons, that would be worth it to me, if only for the experience gained with the Cygnus tools. I do not intend to maintain a rival to K95. Certainly, anyone needing a reliable Kermit on NT or 95 should get K95. But for those who enjoy tinkering and learning a new development environment, this is not a bad way to go. Skip Collins From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 17 20:00:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18819 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:00:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA15961 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:00:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!newsfeed.xcom.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.jhuapl.edu!usenet From: Skip Collins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compiling ckermit with cygnus win32 tools Date: 17 Mar 1998 12:44:32 -0500 Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab, Laurel, MD, USA Lines: 28 Sender: collibf1@COLLIBF1 Message-ID: References: <6em818$8ge$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: collibf1-2.jhuapl.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8497 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > : Does anyone else have experience with ckermit and cygnus? > : > There already is a version of C-Kermit for Windows 95; it's called > Kermit 95: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html > > You probably didn't realize that it takes several hundred thousand > lines of specialized code and some years of work to do what you are > trying to do. Luckily, we have already done all that so you don't > have to. Thanks for the pointer. I am aware of K95. I do realize that a lot of effort has gone into getting K95 "right". But I am tinkering with the Cygnus tools now. I would like to see just how robust they are, how easy it is to port relatively complex programs (e.g. kermit) from unix to win32, etc. So far I have a mixed opinion of the package. On the one hand, it was able to compile ckermit almost out of the box. On the other hand, the compiled program doesn't work. I think that this is in part due to my unfamiliarity with the mapping of concepts from unix to win32 that Cygnus uses. So far, that mapping seems to be less than ideal. Then again, if I can work out what the serial port problem is, get ncurses working, and get tcp working, that would be pretty impressive. Then I would seriously look into using Cygnus for some serious cross-developement projects. Skip Collins From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 17 20:27:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21434 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA17331 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:27:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compiling ckermit with cygnus win32 tools Date: 18 Mar 1998 01:27:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6en7u2$q7q$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6em818$8ge$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8498 In article , Skip Collins wrote: : : Thanks for the pointer. I am aware of K95. I do realize that a lot of : effort has gone into getting K95 "right". But I am tinkering with the : Cygnus tools now. I would like to see just how robust they are, how : easy it is to port relatively complex programs (e.g. kermit) from unix : to win32, etc. So far I have a mixed opinion of the package. On the : one hand, it was able to compile ckermit almost out of the box. On the : other hand, the compiled program doesn't work. I think that this is in : part due to my unfamiliarity with the mapping of concepts from unix to : win32 that Cygnus uses. So far, that mapping seems to be less than : ideal. Then again, if I can work out what the serial port problem is, : get ncurses working, and get tcp working, that would be pretty : impressive. Then I would seriously look into using Cygnus for some : serious cross-developement projects. Keep in mind that the Cygnus Cygwin32 project has been under development for almost three years and there is still quite a lot of work still to do. In the long run tools like Cygwin32 will benefit all users because they enable cross platform applications to be developed which helps to unlock the hold that Microsoft currently has on the vast majority of PC Desktops. The negative side effect of cross platform development is that the cross platform tools result in a lowest common denominator application which lacks the bells and whistles that each platform chooses to exploit specially. Therefore, there will always be a need for platform specific versions of mass market software. The Kermit Project is a strong supporter of cross platform development. Please keep us up to date with successes and failures. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 18 09:01:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26151 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14482 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:01:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!sun4nl!193.78.76.32.MISMATCH!news.cti.nl!not-for-mail From: pim@cti.nl (Pim Zandbergen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: highlighting patterns on the screen in K95 Date: 18 Mar 1998 14:54:05 +0100 Organization: CTI Software BV, The Hague, the Netherlands Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6eojlt$kee$1@chagall.cti.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: chagall.cti.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8499 Is there some way in K95 to define patterns that, when they appear on the screen, are highlighted by K95 ? And if so, would it be possible to associate a command with that pattern and execute the command, passing along the pattern when clicking on this pattern, much like clicking on URL's ? I have seen this feature in a competing product, which I found very appealing. Unfortunately, the pattern matching language in this product is very limited. I would prefer regular expression pattern matching. -- E-mail : Pim Zandbergen S-mail : Laan Copes van Cattenburch 70, 2585 GD The Hague, The Netherlands Phone : +31 70 3067373 Fax : +31 70 3067374 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 18 10:33:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09097 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19169 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:33:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: highlighting patterns on the screen in K95 Date: 18 Mar 1998 15:33:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <6eopgv$c6g$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6eojlt$kee$1@chagall.cti.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8500 In article <6eojlt$kee$1@chagall.cti.nl>, Pim Zandbergen wrote: : Is there some way in K95 to define patterns that, when they : appear on the screen, are highlighted by K95 ? : : And if so, would it be possible to associate a command with that pattern : and execute the command, passing along the pattern when clicking : on this pattern, much like clicking on URL's ? : : I have seen this feature in a competing product, which I found : very appealing. Unfortunately, the pattern matching language : in this product is very limited. I would prefer regular expression : pattern matching. This is not a current feature. We will add it to the list. What K95 does have is CONNECT mode triggers which cause CONNECT mode to exited when any of a list of triggers is received from the host. The controlling script may then use a SWITCH statement on \v(trigger) to determine what should be done in response to the receipt of the trigger. If you can instruct the host application to perform the highlighting then you can also use Kermit macros assigned to a mouses events to perform special actions. The following variables and functions are very useful for this purpose: \v(mousecurx) - the current x coord of the mouse \v(mousecury) - the current y coord of the mouse \v(select) - if a drag event, the text selected \fscrstr(ny,nx,n1) ny = integer. nx = integer. n1 = integer. Returns string: The string at Terminal-screen coordinates (nx,ny), length n1, blanks included. Before the MouseURL Kverb was created I used to use the following macro to perform a similar function: define url run start \m(browser) \v(select),- if terminal-macro connect set mouse Button 1 Alt Drag \Kurl Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 18 11:11:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13617 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:11:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21088 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:11:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!genrad.com!GenRad.co.uk!gaskelld From: gaskelld@GenRad.co.uk () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Purchasing Kermit-95 in the UK Date: Wed, 18 Mar 98 15:59:27 +0000 (GMT) Organization: GenRad Ltd Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1998Mar18.155927@GenRad.co.uk> Reply-To: gaskelld@GenRad.co.uk () NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.223.128.12 X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-32 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8501 Does anybody know of anywhere in the UK which sells Kermit-95. Or alternatively a Web based retailler which will ship to the uk in a reasonable time (ie 7 days). regards Darran Gaskell. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 18 11:36:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19929 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22497 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:36:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Purchasing Kermit-95 in the UK Date: 18 Mar 1998 16:36:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 104 Message-ID: <6eot64$eee$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1998Mar18.155927@GenRad.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8502 In article <1998Mar18.155927@GenRad.co.uk>, wrote: : : Does anybody know of anywhere in the UK which sells Kermit-95. Or : alternatively a Web based retailler which will ship to the uk in : a reasonable time (ie 7 days). : Currently we do not have, or know of, a UK distributor for Kermit 95, despite the healthy demand for K95 in the UK. Any company that wishes to fill the gap is welcome to contact us about it. Personally, I am appalled by the state of international commerce, and I wish we could do better. The bare fact is, it either (a) takes a lot of time, or (b) costs a lot of money to ship a 2kg package overseas. And payment is a problem too, when it is not done by credit card. Banks charge exhorbitant fees to cash checks that are not drawn on a domestic bank, and wire transfers are iffy. In any case, we are perfectly happy to ship to any country on earth, but we have to recover our shipping costs. Here is a copy of our web document that explains the situation: KERMIT - OPTIONS FOR SHIPPING OUTSIDE THE USA There are two options for shipping Kermit software, manuals, or other materials within the USA. The standard method is UPS Blue, which usually takes several business days. The other is Federal Express, which costs more but delivers faster. These options are listed on our order forms. For shipments outside the USA, the situation is more complicated and less satisfying. Columbia University has a contract with a bulk mailing service for shipments outside the USA. The Kermit Project, as part of Columbia University, is obligated to use this service for non-expedited shipments in most cases. The advantages of this service include: . It is relatively cheap for small shipments; a flat rate of $5.00 US per pound (approximately 0.45kg) to anywhere in the world. . Because of the flat rate, shipping costs are known in advance. . The bulk mailing service takes care of all international regulations, procedures, customs forms, and the like. The disadvantages of this service are: . It can be quite slow, sometimes taking as much 7 weeks to deliver a package. . Shipments are difficult to track. . Very large (heavy) shipments can be quite expensive to ship this way. We can also use Federal Express if you agree. But in this case there is not a fixed price. The table below shows sample Federal Express rates to various parts of the world. Weights are in pounds (approximately 0.45kg). The Kermit 95 package weighs about 4 pounds. Each Kermit book weighs about 2 pounds. In most cases, we will use Federal Express automatically if it costs less. For example, a shipment to Zone A is cheaper with Federal Express if the weight is more than 8 pounds. Federal Express Rates from the USA as of 1 January 1998: Weight Zone A Zone B Zone C Zone D Zone E Zone F Zone G 1-3 $31 $37 $43 $38 $42 $36 $62 4 $32 $37 $43 $38 $42 $49 $62 5 $34 $40 $43 $38 $42 $55 $66 6 $37 $42 $45 $40 $44 $60 $71 7 $39 $43 $47 $42 $47 $65 $75 8 $41 $45 $50 $44 $50 $70 $80 9 $43 $47 $52 $46 $52 $75 $85 10 $45 $49 $54 $48 $55 $80 $89 11 $46 $50 $56 $50 $57 $85 $94 12 $47 $52 $57 $51 $60 $89 $98 13 $49 $53 $59 $53 $62 $93 $103 14 $50 $55 $61 $55 $64 $97 $107 15 $51 $56 $62 $56 $66 $101 $112 16 $52 $57 $64 $58 $68 $106 $116 17 $53 $59 $66 $60 $70 $110 $121 18 $54 $60 $67 $61 $73 $114 $125 19 $55 $62 $69 $63 $75 $118 $130 20 $56 $63 $70 $64 $77 $122 $134 Federal Express Zones (approximately): Zone A: Canada and Mexico. Zone B: UK, Ireland, Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan, Taiwan Zone C: Scandinavia, Austria, Greece, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland Zone D: West Indies, Haiti, Dominican Republic Zone E: Australia, NZ, China, Middle East, Indonesia, S.Korea, Maylasia, The Phillipines, Thailand, Turkey Zone F: South America, Bangladesh, India, South Pacific, Sri Lanka Zone G: Africa, Former USSR, Eastern Europe, Iceland The rate table should give you a rough idea of the cost, but not a perfectly precise idea. If you want your package shipped by Federal express you can either (a) notify us in advance that you will accept the charges, or (b) request a quotation before you place your order. The advantage of (a) is (obviously) that it's faster. (end quote) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 19 14:19:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20604 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14501 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:19:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!news.idt.net!news.voicenet.com!news3.voicenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Subject: kermit and Jewish women Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 25 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:19:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:19:01 EST Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8504 : Gerry Britton schreef in artikel : ... : > On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:37:55, albert_shaul@hotmail.com wrote: : > > B"H : > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : > > YOUNG JEWISH CANADIAN MAN : > > LOOKING FOR JEWISH GIRL : > > FOR MARRIGE & LIVING IN CANADA : > > : > > FOR MORE INFO: : > > : > > E-Mail: albert_shaul@hotmail.com : > > CALL: 403-444-7056 : > > OR:403-487-9128 : > > ALBERT SHAUL : > > #A70 8745 165 St : > > Edmonton AB : > > CANADA : > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : > : > Is SPAM kosher, you twit? : : Hey, give the man a chance ... Ms/kermit/95 is ideal for seeking out Jewish women, in Hebrew, Russian Cyrillic (and Yiddish and Ladino if still spoken). Also the use of kermit is a sign of steadfastness, eveness of temperment etc.; few woman can resist a man who uses kermit. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 19 21:57:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15475 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA08422 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:57:18 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.124.0.31!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!quasar.dimensional.com!nyx.net!not-for-mail From: awouk@syzygy.nyx.net (arthur wouk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: is this a kermit problem? Date: 20 Mar 1998 01:16:21 GMT Organization: Nyx Net, Free Internet access (www.nyx.net) Lines: 18 Sender: awouk@syzygy.nyx.net (arthur wouk) Message-ID: <890356581.7500@iris.nyx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: iris.nyx.net X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test63 (15 March 1998) Originator: awouk@nyx10.nyx.net (arthur wouk) X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a Free Public Access Internet Service: http://www.nyx.net Our AUP / Free Speech Policy are at http://www.nyx.net/policies/ Direct complaints to abuse@nyx.net X-Post-Path: iris.nyx.net!awouk@nyx10.nyx.net Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8505 running solaris2.4 on a sparc2, with the lates version of C-Kermit (6.0?). i have set up kermit and the port at 38,400. i am dialing in to an ISP which supports up to 56k. i am using a suprafax 28.4k modem. i connect ok, but at 26k. then the two modems go into a mating dance during which i seem to be able to get only a few characters at a time into thesystem. the modem keeps cycling through mysterious modes, till eventually, either i lose carrier, or they two modems agree on 28.4k, after which everything is fine. this wait can take up to several minutes. anyone have any ideas as to how to shorten this speed matching dance? -- everything is for the best in this best of all possible worlds - dr. pangloss to send me email, remove 'syzygy.' from my address From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 20 06:40:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA29242 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 06:40:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA23286 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 06:40:37 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!freenet.buffalo.edu!am302 From: "L. Chen" Subject: MSKermit 3.15 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet.buffalo.edu Organization: Buffalo Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 06:58:35 GMT Lines: 66 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8506 I am using mskermit 3.15 as an external protocol to ProComm 2.0 for DOS -- in a Win95 DOS windows. It was working perfectly before when I had a external Zoom 14.4 modem on COM2. Then someone gave me an internal Sporster 28.8/33.6 data/fax modem. I configured the port to COM3; and the external protocol doesn't work any more. [I also installed Norton Utilities 3.0 which installed DCOM on my computer. I don't know what it is. I mention it just in case it means something to you.] In mscustom.ini, I have the following statement: set modem sports set port com3 <03E8> <3> [I get the address and irq for Win95 properties box. This is also what I have for ProComm.] When I run msk31n, I get the following error message. +++++ Installing patches... MS-DOS Kermit: 3.15 15 Sept 1997 patch level 1 MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File... ?unknown math symbol: < ?Use a number between 256 and 65520 ?Word "<3>" is not usable here Smile! MS-Kermit> +++++ I have tried removing < >, I get a slightly different message -- that E is a unknown math symbol. I have also tried the simple set port 3 In that case, if I type msk315n (by itself) in a DOS window, it seems to be OK -- when I type dial ###-####, which is the line I am dialing out on, I get a busy signal. However, when I access mskermit as an external protocol (for download) in ProComm for DOS, I get the following screen. +++++ Executing D:\comm\ms_kermi\MSKermit.ini Installing patches... MS-DOS Kermit: 3.15 15 Sept 1997 patch level 1 MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File ... +++++ Then it seems to freezed. I have to "end task" to get out of it. The a dialog box pop up saying that the program did an illegal operation. Would appreciate a diagnosis of my problem and cure. TIA Chen From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 20 11:01:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08763 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07124 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:01:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: is this a kermit problem? Date: 20 Mar 1998 16:01:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-ID: <6eu3sn$3ll$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <890356581.7500@iris.nyx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8507 In article <890356581.7500@iris.nyx.net>, arthur wouk wrote: : running solaris2.4 on a sparc2, with the lates version of C-Kermit : (6.0?). i have set up kermit and the port at 38,400. i am dialing in : to an ISP which supports up to 56k. i am using a suprafax 28.4k : modem. : : i connect ok, but at 26k. then the two modems go into a mating dance : during which i seem to be able to get only a few characters at a time : into thesystem. : The characters that do arrive: are they the ones you expect? : the modem keeps cycling through mysterious modes, till : eventually, either i lose carrier, or they two modems agree on 28.4k, : after which everything is fine. this wait can take up to several : minutes. : : anyone have any ideas as to how to shorten this speed matching dance? : This is a matter between the two modems and has nothing to do with Kermit, except insofar as it might be affected by changing the initialization string given to the modem by Kermit. But you didn't say how you were using the modem. Did you "set modem type supra", "set speed 38400", and the "dial"? The initialization commands used by Kermit in the dialing process are fairly standard, and work in most cases. But as you know, it takes two modems to make a connection. And modems are becoming more and more complex, and differences between brands and models result in ever more scenarious like the one you've described. The procedure for negotiating a mutually agreeable modulation speed and set of protocols is, indeed, working, but it's taking longer than you want. To improve the situation, you'll need to: a. Read your modem manual in depth and experiment with different settings. b. Call different phone numbers and see if you can narrow down the problem. Does the problem occur only when you call a particular number, or does it always happen? c. If you think you have a complaint about your modem, contact the tech support people at the modem company. d. If you think the problem is in the telephone connection, contact the phone company. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 20 11:11:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10501 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07675 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:11:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.15 Date: 20 Mar 1998 16:11:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6eu4f7$3v1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8508 In article , L. Chen wrote: : I am using mskermit 3.15 as an external protocol to ProComm 2.0 for DOS -- : in a Win95 DOS windows. It was working perfectly before when I had a : external Zoom 14.4 modem on COM2. : : Then someone gave me an internal Sporster 28.8/33.6 data/fax modem. I : configured the port to COM3; and the external protocol doesn't work any more. : You can find instructions for configuring COM3 and COM4 are in your NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC file. If you follow them carefully, they work in DOS. We make no guarantees or claims about Windows 95. For Windows 95, we recommend and support Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html which is native 32-bit software that uses the regular OS 32-bit drivers, and can therefore access all Windows devices. For example, if your Sportster modem is a Winmodem or a Plug & Play modem, you might not be able to use it at all with MS-DOS Kermit, even if you do manage to get the address and IRQ right. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 20 13:19:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04889 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14099 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:19:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!wnfeed!204.127.130.5!worldnet.att.net!news.u.washington.edu!not-for-mail From: "Brad Greer" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 4410 terminal emulation? Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:32:24 -0800 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6eu95b$13ro$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ingmar.cac.washington.edu X-Trace: nntp6.u.washington.edu 890415083 36728 (None) 140.142.64.6 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8509 can any of the existing K95 terminal emulations be used as a '4410' terminal ? -- brad From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 20 14:17:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16317 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17287 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:17:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 4410 terminal emulation? Date: 20 Mar 1998 19:17:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6eufd4$9vd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6eu95b$13ro$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8510 In article <6eu95b$13ro$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu>, Brad Greer wrote: : can any of the existing K95 terminal emulations be used as a '4410' : terminal ? No. Not at this time. We will add some Tektronix emulations after the GUI release is available. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 20 14:23:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17110 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:23:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17593 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:23:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 4410 terminal emulation? Date: 20 Mar 1998 19:22:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6eufmi$a7n$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6eu95b$13ro$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu> <6eufd4$9vd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8511 In article <6eufd4$9vd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: : In article <6eu95b$13ro$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu>, : Brad Greer wrote: : : can any of the existing K95 terminal emulations be used as a '4410' : : terminal ? : : No. Not at this time. We will add some Tektronix emulations : after the GUI release is available. : I'm not sure 4410 is a Tektronix model, and in any case we have only committed to supporting 4010 and 4010. If 4410 is some kind of text terminal, send us the specification and we'll consider adding it. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 20 14:23:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17117 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17607 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:23:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!news.u.washington.edu!homer25.u.washington.edu!bbaldwin From: "B. Baldwin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ALT-P Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:52:50 -0800 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: homer25.u.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: nntp6.u.washington.edu 890419977 40392 (None) 140.142.64.4 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-User: bbaldwin Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8512 Is it possible to add some carriage returns to the screen print (ALT-P) function? Brian Baldwin University of Washington From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 20 15:28:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29323 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20949 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:28:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ALT-P Date: 20 Mar 1998 20:28:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6eujh4$c8f$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8513 In article , B. Baldwin wrote: : Is it possible to add some carriage returns to the screen print (ALT-P) : function? I'm not sure what you mean by this? Kermit sends each line of the screen to the printer with a CR-LF end of line. If you mean that you want blank lines appended to the end of your print job you can do this in Kermit 95 with SET PRINTER /END-OF-JOB: Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 20 19:44:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA17797 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04200 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:44:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 Alpha 5 Date: 21 Mar 1998 00:44:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6ev2i7$kfu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8514 >From Joe Doupnik: another Alpha test of the next MS-DOS Kermit version, 3.16. Alpha 5 adds: 1. Accept TCP RST (reset) segment if ACK field is invalid. 2. Don't count the trailing Carriage Return on commands sent to COMMAND.COM. Helps the current version of 4DOS. 3. Remove a redundant conversion of \digits within lines passed to a WRITE command. 4. Add new command WRITELN which works the same as WRITE except it adds CR and LF to the end of the text. WRITELN is also available in C-Kermit, Kermit 95, etc, so can (and should) be used in scripts that are to be portable among platforms that have different text-line formats (such as DOS and UNIX). It's in ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk316.zip. The ZIP file contains MSK316.EXE (the executable program) and MSK316.DOC (summary of changes since 3.14). As with previous Alphas, you can put this right in your MS-DOS Kermit directory, unzip it, and test it without disturbing your production version of MS-DOS Kermit. Send reports to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 20 21:20:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28071 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:20:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA09186 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:20:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!news.u.washington.edu!not-for-mail From: "Brad Greer" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 4410 terminal emulation? Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:57:37 -0800 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6ev6or$hqu$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu> References: <6eu95b$13ro$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu> <6eufd4$9vd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6eufmi$a7n$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: D-140-142-110-162.dhcp.washington.edu X-Trace: nntp6.u.washington.edu 890445403 18270 (None) 140.142.64.7 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8515 Yes, it is definitely not a tektronix, but a text based terminal that is required here for communicating with some telecommunications equipment. I can't seem to find any specifications for such a terminal type on the web, but there are a few references to it as coming from AT&T in termcap files I scanned. Procomm and WRQ also support it and call it an AT&T terminal emulation. -- brad From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 20 22:49:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09180 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA14521 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:49:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 4410 terminal emulation? Date: 21 Mar 1998 03:49:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6evdcm$q72$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6eu95b$13ro$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu> <6eufd4$9vd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6eufmi$a7n$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6ev6or$hqu$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8516 In article <6ev6or$hqu$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu>, Brad Greer wrote: : Yes, it is definitely not a tektronix, but a text based terminal that is : required here for communicating with some telecommunications equipment. I : can't seem to find any specifications for such a terminal type on the web, : but there are a few references to it as coming from AT&T in termcap files I : scanned. Procomm and WRQ also support it and call it an AT&T terminal : emulation. Right, right. This is the AT&T branded Teletype terminals. If anyone has a manual for this terminal type known as either a Teletype or AT&T 4410/4415/4420/4424/5420 let me know and I will be willing to add it. But we do not support it at the current time. The primary use for this emulation is AT&T switching equipment. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 21 13:56:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13625 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00475 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:56:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Updated TSO Kermit Installation Procedure Date: 21 Mar 1998 18:56:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6f12gp$kva$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8517 >From John Chandler, corrections to the IBM Mainframe TSO Kermit installation procedure, in which the JCL referred to the wrong file. The corrected file is in ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/b/iktker.ins. Thanks to Ben Hammett for the report, and to John for the rapid response. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 21 14:15:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16232 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:15:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01352 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:15:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.124.0.31!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!quasar.dimensional.com!nyx.net!not-for-mail From: awouk@syzygy.nyx.net (arthur wouk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: is this a kermit problem? Date: 21 Mar 1998 19:01:57 GMT Organization: Nyx Net, Free Internet access (www.nyx.net) Lines: 60 Sender: awouk@syzygy.nyx.net (arthur wouk) Message-ID: <890506921.538105@iris.nyx.net> References: <890356581.7500@iris.nyx.net> <6eu3sn$3ll$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: iris.nyx.net X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test63 (15 March 1998) Originator: awouk@nyx10.nyx.net (arthur wouk) X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a Free Public Access Internet Service: http://www.nyx.net Our AUP / Free Speech Policy are at http://www.nyx.net/policies/ Direct complaints to abuse@nyx.net X-Post-Path: iris.nyx.net!awouk@nyx10.nyx.net Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8518 some good leads for me to follow here, but: In article <6eu3sn$3ll$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <890356581.7500@iris.nyx.net>, >arthur wouk wrote: >: running solaris2.4 on a sparc2, with the lates version of C-Kermit >: (6.0?). i have set up kermit and the port at 38,400. i am dialing in >: to an ISP which supports up to 56k. i am using a suprafax 28.4k >: modem. >: >: i connect ok, but at 26k. then the two modems go into a mating dance >: during which i seem to be able to get only a few characters at a time >: into thesystem. >: >The characters that do arrive: are they the ones you expect? yes > >: the modem keeps cycling through mysterious modes, till >: eventually, either i lose carrier, or they two modems agree on 28.4k, >: after which everything is fine. this wait can take up to several >: minutes. >: >: anyone have any ideas as to how to shorten this speed matching dance? >: >This is a matter between the two modems and has nothing to do with Kermit, >except insofar as it might be affected by changing the initialization string >given to the modem by Kermit. But you didn't say how you were using the >modem. Did you "set modem type supra", "set speed 38400", and the "dial"? i can't set modem type supra, because the ISP doesn't have such a type in his library. i will try again with that type, but as i recall, it could enver conenct successfully. i now use type hayes,which is recognized. > >The initialization commands used by Kermit in the dialing process are fairly >standard, and work in most cases. But as you know, it takes two modems to >make a connection. And modems are becoming more and more complex, and >differences between brands and models result in ever more scenarious like >the one you've described. The procedure for negotiating a mutually agreeable >modulation speed and set of protocols is, indeed, working, but it's taking >longer than you want. To improve the situation, you'll need to: > > a. Read your modem manual in depth and experiment with different settings. > > b. Call different phone numbers and see if you can narrow down the problem. > Does the problem occur only when you call a particular number, or does > it always happen? on three different numbers! if i only try to get in at 19200, it always works. :-( -- everything is for the best in this best of all possible worlds - dr. pangloss to send me email, remove 'syzygy.' from my address From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 21 14:40:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20674 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02690 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:40:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: is this a kermit problem? Date: 21 Mar 1998 19:40:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 100 Message-ID: <6f153a$md2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <890356581.7500@iris.nyx.net> <6eu3sn$3ll$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <890506921.538105@iris.nyx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8519 In article <890506921.538105@iris.nyx.net>, arthur wouk wrote: : >: running solaris2.4 on a sparc2, with the lates version of C-Kermit : >: (6.0?). i have set up kermit and the port at 38,400. i am dialing in : >: to an ISP which supports up to 56k. i am using a suprafax 28.4k : >: modem. : >: : >: i connect ok, but at 26k. then the two modems go into a mating dance : >: during which i seem to be able to get only a few characters at a time : >: into thesystem. : >: : >The characters that do arrive: are they the ones you expect? : : yes : : >: the modem keeps cycling through mysterious modes, till : >: eventually, either i lose carrier, or they two modems agree on 28.4k, : >: after which everything is fine. this wait can take up to several : >: minutes. : >: : >: anyone have any ideas as to how to shorten this speed matching dance? : >: : >This is a matter between the two modems and has nothing to do with Kermit, : >except insofar as it might be affected by changing the initialization string : >given to the modem by Kermit. But you didn't say how you were using the : >modem. Did you "set modem type supra", "set speed 38400", and the "dial"? : : i can't set modem type supra, because the ISP doesn't have such a type : in his library. : You said: "running solaris2.4 on a sparc2, with the lates version of C-Kermit (6.0?). i have set up kermit and the port at 38,400. i am dialing in to an ISP which supports up to 56k. i am using a suprafax 28.4k modem." So you are running C-Kermit 6.0 and you are using to dial a Supra modem, right? So, again, tell C-Kermit to "set modem type supra". This tells C-Kermit what kind of modem you have so it will know how to initialize it and dial it correctly. This has nothing to do with your ISP or its library. : i will try again with that type, but as i recall, it : could enver conenct successfully. i now use type hayes,which is : recognized. : $ kermit C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96... C-Kermit>set modem type ? modem type, one of the following: att-dataport digitel-dt22 motorola-fastalk supra <-- Note att-dtdm gateway-telepath multitech telebit att-isn gdc-212a/ed mwave unknown att-switched-net hayes-1200 none user-defined att-7300 hayes-2400 old-telebit usrobotics boca hayes-high-speed penril ventel cardinal intel ppi zoltrix cermetek itu-t-v25bis racalvadic zoom concord maxtech rockwell-v32 zyxel df03-ac microcom-at-mode rockwell-v32bis df100-series microcom-sx-mode rockwell-v34 df200-series microlink rolm-dcm C-Kermit>exit $ : >The initialization commands used by Kermit in the dialing process are : >fairly standard, and work in most cases. But as you know, it takes two : >modems to make a connection. And modems are becoming more and more : >complex, and differences between brands and models result in ever more : >scenarious like the one you've described. The procedure for negotiating a : >mutually agreeable modulation speed and set of protocols is, indeed, : >working, but it's taking longer than you want. To improve the situation, : >you'll need to: : > : > a. Read your modem manual in depth and experiment with different settings. : > : > b. Call different phone numbers and see if you can narrow down the problem. : > Does the problem occur only when you call a particular number, or does : > it always happen? : : on three different numbers! if i only try to get in at 19200, it always : works. :-( : First try setting the modem type correctly as described above (and in the manual). If that doesn't work, then follow the instructions above, or read the C-Kermit manual for an in-depth treatment of modem problems and how to solve them. If the problem happens with every number you call, it is almost certainly due to the fact that you are not telling C-Kermit that you have a Supra modem, so C-Kermit is not configuring it correctly -- how could it if it doesn't know what it is? If everything works well at 19200 but works poorly at 38400, then perhaps this is a limitation of the serial port on your Sparc 2. But more likely, it is the result of the fact -- again -- that you have not told Kermit what kind of modem you have. If it knows you have a Supra, it will use hardware flow control. If it thinks you have a Hayes ("set modem type hayes" means Hayes 1200 or Hayes 2400), it will not use hardware flow contol because those modems don't support it. This is all explained in the early chapters of "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 22 15:55:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19294 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20056 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:55:18 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Von Guilberth" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: transmition des packet d'erreur de kermit ? Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:59:03 +0100 Organization: VON GUILBERTH PC CREATION Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6f3tf8$m22$2@peuplier.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: narb1-49.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8520 E.Mail : Von_Guilberth@yahoo.com Site : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/vgpcc/ Groupes de discussion : comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date : dimanche 22 mars 1998 21:54 Objet : transmition des packets d'erreur de kermit ? >je cherche comment transmettre des messages d'erreurs lors de communication >avec kermit > >merci beaucoup de bien vouloir m'aider >jpp > > From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 22 15:55:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19311 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20060 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:55:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Von Guilberth" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: transmition des packets d'erreur de kermit ? Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:54:50 +0100 Organization: VON GUILBERTH PC CREATION Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6f3t7f$ltf$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: narb1-49.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8521 je cherche comment transmettre des messages d'erreurs lors de communication avec kermit merci beaucoup de bien vouloir m'aider jpp From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 22 15:55:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19319 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20064 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:55:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Von Guilberth" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: transmition des packets d'erreur de kermit ? Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:54:50 +0100 Organization: VON GUILBERTH PC CREATION Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6f3tev$m22$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: narb1-49.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8522 je cherche comment transmettre des messages d'erreurs lors de communication avec kermit merci beaucoup de bien vouloir m'aider jpp From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 22 17:28:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04590 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA24901 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:28:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: transmition des packets d'erreur de kermit ? Date: 22 Mar 1998 22:28:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6f43b7$81p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6f3t7f$ltf$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8523 In article <6f3t7f$ltf$1@peuplier.wanadoo.fr>, Von Guilberth wrote: : je cherche comment transmettre des messages d'erreurs lors de : communication avec kermit : Pardon me replying in English, which is the same language in which Kermit error messages are generally displayed. These messages are meant to be self-explanatory to someone who reads English, and who also understands some specialized terminology of data communication and of Kermit itself. All of this is documented in the printed manuals. For those who speak French but not English, there is a French-language edition of the MS-DOS Kermit manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. You should be able to find it in a bookstore in France, or you can order it from the publisher, or you can order it from Columbia University: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html One of the many projects on our infinitely long list of things to do is "localized" versions of Kermit software, in which error messages will be written in the local language instead of in English. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 23 14:47:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22060 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18631 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:47:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!news.idt.net!nntp2.cerf.net!nntp3.cerf.net!hacgate2.hac.com!news.delcoelect.com!news.ses.cio.eds.com!not-for-mail From: Roy Buzdor Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Enq/Ack Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:44:38 -0800 Organization: EDS Lansing Fab Lines: 21 Message-ID: <35169176.4D7D@supremecourt.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.173.137.53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8524 Do any of the PC/MS-DOS Versions of Kermit have Enq/Ack capability for HP-Computers? If not is there a simple way to emulate it with the answer back function? -- Buz (8 **************************************************************** ** ** ** We desire magic, the power to manipulate other people ** ** for our own benefit. We have been given love, the ** ** power to change ourselves for the benefit of other ** ** people. ** ** ** ** This is official written notice: please remove me from ** ** your mailing list. ** ** ** ** My real address is: \lnuslad dot dzvg41 at eds dot com\ ** ** ** **************************************************************** From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 23 15:08:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25427 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19628 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:07:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Enq/Ack Date: 23 Mar 1998 20:07:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6f6fet$9u1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35169176.4D7D@supremecourt.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8525 In article <35169176.4D7D@supremecourt.gov>, Roy Buzdor wrote: : Do any of the PC/MS-DOS Versions of Kermit have Enq/Ack : capability for HP-Computers? : No, sorry. : If not is there a simple : way to emulate it with the answer back function? : In MS-DOS Kermit, no. You can customize the answerback message only by appending text to it, but you can't replace it. This is a deliberate security measure. Kermit 95 lets you set the answerback message to anything you like, but it makes you jump through some hoops to do it, since it does not want you to think it is a safe thing to do. Should you take this route, of course, it is still not flow control. In Windows 95 and NT, etc, flow control is -- and must be -- provided by the device driver, and ENQ/ACK is not supported by the Windows drivers. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 23 17:23:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21555 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA26524 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:23:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail From: vilardi@panix.com (Greg Vilardi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with simple script... Date: 23 Mar 1998 17:23:18 -0500 Organization: Panix Lines: 68 Message-ID: <6f6ncm$oku@panix3.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Summary: Trying to send a file to a port 1 line at a time. X-Newsposter: trn 4.0-test55 (26 Feb 97) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8526 Hi everyone. I am having a problem writing a simple kermit script to take a flatfile of command records and spit them out to a remote serial device. The technical details are as follows: C-Kermit v6.0.192 SCO Unix 3.2v4.2 connected to a CX DigiBoard. The remote system is on a dedicated line, directly connected and standard RS232 connectivity is working fine. I need to have a script that will take each line of a file, and send it out the serial port. The script will then wait for a response from the port, and log both the command and the response to another file. If some kind person out there already has a script that does this or something very similar, could you please e-mail it to me? Or could someone who knows more about scripting than I do please tell me what is wrong with the script below? I've spent most of the weekend with the kermit manuals and have had no luck. I tried the FAQ too. Suggestions to RTFM greatfully accepted if page numbers are provided. I have read chapters 17, 18 & 19 3 times already. Many thanks to anyone who can help me on this one. -Greg V. Script starts below: ; Read file $1 one line at a time and send command to paging terminal on port ; $3. Write return messages to $2. def UPDATE { local \%c cmd if < \v(argc) 4 end 1 Usage: UPDATE infile outfile device ;set take error off set carrier-watch off OPEN READ \%1 if fail end 1 Can't open \%1 for reading. open write \%2 if fail end 1 Can't open \%2 for writing. set line \%3 if fail end 1 Cant open port \%3 set speed 9600 set input silence 2 set input timeout-action proceed set input echo off define \%c 0 while true { read cmd xif fail { close write end 0 Commands processed: \%c. } increment \%c ; writeln debug-log \m(cmd) \m(\%c) output \m(cmd) \13\10 input 10 \10 xif fail { close read close write end 1 Terminal did not respond. } writeln file \m(cmd) writeln file \v(input) } } log debug debug.log update termrecs termrecs.out /dev/ttya01 close debug -- Greg Vilardi, Host: Scanner Cinema East E-mail:vilardi@panix.com USnail: 354 Indian Head Rd|In-Touch Management Systems | Home:(516)864-1310 Commack, NY 11725 |Melville, NY 11747 | Work:(516)752-2701x240 .sig Version 0.50(beta release) I thought, I wrote, I posted. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 23 17:53:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27815 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28167 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:53:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with simple script... Date: 23 Mar 1998 22:53:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 78 Message-ID: <6f6p4r$g7o$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6f6ncm$oku@panix3.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8527 In article <6f6ncm$oku@panix3.panix.com>, Greg Vilardi wrote: : Hi everyone. I am having a problem writing a simple kermit script to take a : flatfile of command records and spit them out to a remote serial device. The : technical details are as follows: C-Kermit v6.0.192 SCO Unix 3.2v4.2 : connected to a CX DigiBoard. The remote system is on a dedicated line, : directly connected and standard RS232 connectivity is working fine. : Using what kind of flow control? : I need to have a script that will take each line of a file, and send it out : the serial port. The script will then wait for a response from the port, and : log both the command and the response to another file. If some kind person : out there already has a script that does this or something very similar, : could you please e-mail it to me? Or could someone who knows more about : scripting than I do please tell me what is wrong with the script below? I've : spent most of the weekend with the kermit manuals and have had no luck. I : tried the FAQ too. Suggestions to RTFM greatfully accepted if page numbers : are provided. I have read chapters 17, 18 & 19 3 times already. : ... : Script starts below: : : ; Read file $1 one line at a time and send command to paging terminal on port : ; $3. Write return messages to $2. : : def UPDATE { : local \%c cmd : if < \v(argc) 4 end 1 Usage: UPDATE infile outfile device : ;set take error off : set carrier-watch off : OPEN READ \%1 : if fail end 1 Can't open \%1 for reading. : open write \%2 : if fail end 1 Can't open \%2 for writing. : set line \%3 : if fail end 1 Cant open port \%3 : set speed 9600 : C-Kermit defaults to Xon/Xoff flow control. Is that what you want to use? If so, is the other system set up for it too? : set input silence 2 : set input timeout-action proceed : set input echo off : define \%c 0 : while true { : read cmd : xif fail { : close write : end 0 Commands processed: \%c. : } : increment \%c : ; writeln debug-log \m(cmd) \m(\%c) : output \m(cmd) \13\10 : input 10 \10 : xif fail { : close read : close write : end 1 Terminal did not respond. : } : writeln file \m(cmd) : writeln file \v(input) : } : } : log debug debug.log : update termrecs termrecs.out /dev/ttya01 : close debug That's a very well-written script, using all the appropriate mechanisms and using them correctly; nothing stands out as suspect. So in what way does it not work? What, exactly are the symptoms? Do any lines get through? Do you ever get a LF back from the terminal? In other words, is it a basic connectivity problem, or a problem with the execution of the script? - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 23 19:42:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA18558 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04096 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:42:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail From: vilardi@panix.com (Greg Vilardi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with simple script... Date: 23 Mar 1998 19:41:35 -0500 Organization: Panix Lines: 108 Message-ID: <6f6vfv$70c@panix3.panix.com> References: <6f6ncm$oku@panix3.panix.com> <6f6p4r$g7o$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Newsposter: trn 4.0-test55 (26 Feb 97) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8528 In article <6f6p4r$g7o$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <6f6ncm$oku@panix3.panix.com>, >Greg Vilardi wrote: >: Hi everyone. I am having a problem writing a simple kermit script to take a >: flatfile of command records and spit them out to a remote serial device. The >: technical details are as follows: C-Kermit v6.0.192 SCO Unix 3.2v4.2 >: connected to a CX DigiBoard. The remote system is on a dedicated line, >: directly connected and standard RS232 connectivity is working fine. >: >Using what kind of flow control? > XON / XOFF is enabled on the ports on both ends. >: I need to have a script that will take each line of a file, and send it out >: the serial port. The script will then wait for a response from the port, and >: log both the command and the response to another file. If some kind person >: out there already has a script that does this or something very similar, >: could you please e-mail it to me? Or could someone who knows more about >: scripting than I do please tell me what is wrong with the script below? I've >: spent most of the weekend with the kermit manuals and have had no luck. I >: tried the FAQ too. Suggestions to RTFM greatfully accepted if page numbers >: are provided. I have read chapters 17, 18 & 19 3 times already. >: ... >: Script starts below: >: >: ; Read file $1 one line at a time and send command to paging terminal on port >: ; $3. Write return messages to $2. >: >: def UPDATE { >: local \%c cmd >: if < \v(argc) 4 end 1 Usage: UPDATE infile outfile device >: ;set take error off >: set carrier-watch off >: OPEN READ \%1 >: if fail end 1 Can't open \%1 for reading. >: open write \%2 >: if fail end 1 Can't open \%2 for writing. >: set line \%3 >: if fail end 1 Cant open port \%3 >: set speed 9600 >: >C-Kermit defaults to Xon/Xoff flow control. Is that what you want to >use? If so, is the other system set up for it too? > Yes, see above. >: set input silence 2 >: set input timeout-action proceed >: set input echo off >: define \%c 0 >: while true { >: read cmd >: xif fail { >: close write >: end 0 Commands processed: \%c. >: } >: increment \%c >: ; writeln debug-log \m(cmd) \m(\%c) >: output \m(cmd) \13\10 >: input 10 \10 >: xif fail { >: close read >: close write >: end 1 Terminal did not respond. >: } >: writeln file \m(cmd) >: writeln file \v(input) >: } >: } >: log debug debug.log >: update termrecs termrecs.out /dev/ttya01 >: close debug > >That's a very well-written script, using all the appropriate mechanisms >and using them correctly; nothing stands out as suspect. Thank you. > >So in what way does it not work? What, exactly are the symptoms? >Do any lines get through? Do you ever get a LF back from the terminal? > >In other words, is it a basic connectivity problem, or a problem with >the execution of the script? I'm sorry I didn't describe this the first time. It seems to hang before transmitting the first line. The take command hangs and when I hit ^C to get the control back the system seems to flush it's buffers. My test setup only has pins 2,3&7 (DB25) wired. I can type the same commands and see a response, so I doubt that it is strictly an RS232 problem. I will play with the flow control settings. I just re-tried sending a command by hand and that isn't working at the moment either. Argh. Something must be screwy in the test bed. I just checked the other side of the system. characters are not coming back into kermit though they are transmitted on the other side. If you have any other ideas, please let me know. I'll test this further tomorrow. Thanks for the prompt and insightful reply. -Greg > >- Frank -- Greg Vilardi, Host: Scanner Cinema East E-mail:vilardi@panix.com USnail: 354 Indian Head Rd|In-Touch Management Systems | Home:(516)864-1310 Commack, NY 11725 |Melville, NY 11747 | Work:(516)752-2701x240 .sig Version 0.50(beta release) I thought, I wrote, I posted. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 23 20:08:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22508 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA05486 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:08:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with simple script... Date: 24 Mar 1998 01:08:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6f712j$l1s$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6f6ncm$oku@panix3.panix.com> <6f6p4r$g7o$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6f6vfv$70c@panix3.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8529 In article <6f6vfv$70c@panix3.panix.com>, Greg Vilardi wrote: [context deleted...] : >So in what way does it not work? What, exactly are the symptoms? : >Do any lines get through? Do you ever get a LF back from the terminal? : > : >In other words, is it a basic connectivity problem, or a problem with : >the execution of the script? : : I'm sorry I didn't describe this the first time. It seems to hang before : transmitting the first line. The take command hangs and when I hit ^C to get : the control back the system seems to flush it's buffers. : Tell Kermit to "set take echo on" before giving the TAKE comamnd. Then you can see which command is hanging. Dollars to donuts it's the "set line" command. : My test setup only has pins 2,3&7 (DB25) wired. : Which would most like cause UNIX to hang trying to open the port. If "set carrier-watch off" doesn't help, then you'll have to install a jumper between pins 8 and 20 (Figure II-6, "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition, p.494). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 24 18:05:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26017 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA12790 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:05:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!bcarh189.bnr.ca!zcarh46f.bnr.ca!despams.ocunix.on.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 24 Mar 1998 17:32:07 EST X-Original-Path: ...!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!news.megsinet.net!not-for-mail X-Original-From: excel10@hotmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc X-Original-Subject: 10 cents per minute long distance X-Original-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:07:36 PST Message-ID: Control: cancel <6f7pnk$o9c$282@news.megsinet.net> X-No-Archive: Yes From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Sender: excel10@hotmail.com Subject: cmsg cancel <6f7pnk$o9c$282@news.megsinet.net> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Cancelled-By: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Cancel-ID: QN5&OWV0^*5J<9`&@Y8_[_85=N^MP"C5FJ'`-K/&;Q\F1:8?W?!8! Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA27198 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA03193 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:18:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!news.xnet.com!newsgate.mot.com!newshost.mot.com!news-in.cig.mot.com!news.ecid.cig.mot.com!news From: "Robert Cornell" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: k95 and Psion 5 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:04:47 -0000 Organization: Motorola Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6f8lgl$7091@wagtail.ecid.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc0617.ecid.cig.mot.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8530 I'm having some problems getting k95 (x/y) to successfully transfer files to a friends Psion 5. If anyone has achieved this was it straight forward and how did you do it? Robert From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 25 10:54:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16426 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22360 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:54:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 and Psion 5 Date: 25 Mar 1998 15:54:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6fb9cb$qji$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6f8lgl$7091@wagtail.ecid.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8531 In article <6f8lgl$7091@wagtail.ecid.cig.mot.com>, Robert Cornell wrote: : I'm having some problems getting k95 (x/y) to successfully transfer files to : a friends Psion 5. If anyone has achieved this was it straight forward and : how did you do it? : This is the first time I have heard that there was a Kermit implementation for the Psion 5. Or is there? What protocol are you using and what trouble are you having? - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 25 19:51:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11162 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20491 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:51:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!news.deltanet.com!not-for-mail From: "Scott Sampson" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit screen displays slowly on Citrix/ICA connection Date: 26 Mar 1998 00:31:44 GMT Organization: Delta Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bd584e$97ac8080$06c9b2cc@compaq2240.thermeon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.201.6 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8532 Winterm/ICA connection into Citrix Winframe 1.7, running Kermit95 1.1.15 to telnet to another host. Every character typed apparently causes ~6k ICA bytes to be transmitted back to Winterm; other term emulators (Hyper-, Century-, TUN, CRT) sending ~20 ICA bytes as expected; measurements using winadmin|winstation|status. Perhaps this is related to 'console mode' application v. other emulators being graphic mode? I have spent hours trying to tweak Kermit config to change this, but no luck so far. This problem effectively renders Kermit useless when I use Citrix Winframe client to access a server over internet, and then try to use Kermit to access other hosts. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 25 20:00:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12560 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:00:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA20852 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:00:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit screen displays slowly on Citrix/ICA connection Date: 26 Mar 1998 01:00:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6fc9ak$h94$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd584e$97ac8080$06c9b2cc@compaq2240.thermeon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8533 In article <01bd584e$97ac8080$06c9b2cc@compaq2240.thermeon.com>, Scott Sampson wrote: : Winterm/ICA connection into Citrix Winframe 1.7, running Kermit95 1.1.15 to : telnet to another host. : : Every character typed apparently causes ~6k ICA bytes to be transmitted : back to Winterm; other term emulators (Hyper-, Century-, TUN, CRT) sending : ~20 ICA bytes as expected; measurements using winadmin|winstation|status. : Perhaps this is related to 'console mode' application v. other emulators : being graphic mode? I have spent hours trying to tweak Kermit config to : change this, but no luck so far. : : This problem effectively renders Kermit useless when I use Citrix Winframe : client to access a server over internet, and then try to use Kermit to : access other hosts. This is a limitation of Winterm. Winterm does not perform screen optimization for console applications which it performs on GUI apps. There is nothing that Kermit 95 can do. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 25 21:43:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26441 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:43:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA26181 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:43:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: jabr@mindspring.com (John Brnich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for sco xenix Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:38:44 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 57 Message-ID: <3519b9e2.47872769@news.mindspring.com> References: <6e9nig$npb$1@camel29.mindspring.com> <6e9ol0$6dl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jabr@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37kbtvu.dialup.mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 26 Mar 1998 02:37:05 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8534 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <6e9nig$npb$1@camel29.mindspring.com>, >John Brnich wrote: >: The following code crashes b4 the enter file name line with the >: message "line too long or contains nul characters". I can't find any >: unwanted characters using "vi". The set commands are accepted and it >: does ask for user name and password. What is wrong? >: >If the command does not contain any NUL characters, it must be too >long. C-Kermit's command buffer limits the size of macro definitions, >bracketed code blocks, etc. There are two solutions: > > . > > . Break up your macro definitions or bracketed blocks into smaller > pieces. > >If you have long { ... } blocks, try extracting sections from them, defining >them as macros, and then calling the macros from inside the blocks. > > >- Frank Local sys is SCO xenix 286. I am using the binary from the \unix\sco\xenix dir (kermit5) Thanks. I shortened the block and the script now runs. However, the new problem: after the remote sys (win95, procomm 32 in host mode) answers, ":they" (I think local kermit) disconnect immediatley. I've used kermit5 in termianl mode and have connected and interacted successfully Shold the following code work: :begin set modem type multitech set line /dev/tty1a set speed 9600 ;...........set carrier-watch on;(enable if having problems)?? set dial retries 15 set dial timeout 65 set dial connect on echo \13 :dialout echo \13 dial t1800xxxxxxxx4\13 Local receives CONNECTED 14400 RELIABLE COMPRESSED CALL COMPLETE (time) Another question...The remote uses hardware fc, local kermit uses software fc and does not seem to accept the set flow command. Does this mean the remote must be changed to software fc? Thanks for the help! JB From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 26 10:59:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21362 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:59:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06497 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:59:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for sco xenix Date: 26 Mar 1998 15:59:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Message-ID: <6fdu0c$e3l$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6e9nig$npb$1@camel29.mindspring.com> <6e9ol0$6dl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3519b9e2.47872769@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8536 In article <3519b9e2.47872769@news.mindspring.com>, John Brnich wrote: : ... : Local sys is SCO xenix 286. I am using the binary from the : \unix\sco\xenix dir (kermit5) : >From the C-Kermit CDROM? : Thanks. I shortened the block and the script now runs. However, the : new problem: after the remote sys (win95, procomm 32 in host mode) : answers, ":they" (I think local kermit) disconnect immediatley. : Procomm is, of course, an unknown quantity to us, and so that makes this entire connection problematic from a support point of view. : I've used kermit5 in termianl mode and have connected and interacted : successfully. Shold the following code work: : :begin : set modem type multitech : This command won't work because "set modem type" was not a C-Kermit command until version 6.0. : set line /dev/tty1a : set speed 9600 : ;...........set carrier-watch on;(enable if having problems)?? : Ditto. : set dial retries 15 : set dial timeout 65 : set dial connect on : Ditto for all these. : echo \13 : :dialout : echo \13 : dial t1800xxxxxxxx4\13 : In short, all of the advanced dialing and modem stuff is new to C-Kermit 6.0. If you would like to try to build C-Kermit 6.0 on Xenix 286, please contact me; I'll be glad to help. : Another question...The remote uses hardware fc, local kermit uses : software fc... : More accurately, Xenix/286 does not support hardware flow control and so is limited to software flow control. : and does not seem to accept the set flow command. Does : this mean the remote must be changed to software fc? : No. If you can enable *local* software flow control between C-Kermit and the modem, this is the next best thing to hardware flow control. C-Kermit 6.0 supports this; earlier versions don't. However, you might still be able to force the local modem into this configuration; see your modem manual. The flow control mismatch might be the cause of the disconnect. Again, if you (or anybody else) would like to try building C-Kermit 6.0 for Xenix/286 (or any other platform that we don't have binary for), please contact me directly. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 26 18:36:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24330 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA00080 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:36:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.jhuapl.edu!usenet From: "Bernard Collins" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compiling ckermit with cygnus win32 tools Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:21:32 -0500 Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab, Laurel, MD, USA Lines: 47 Message-ID: <6fens8$n3m@aplinfo.jhuapl.edu> References: <6em818$8ge$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6en7u2$q7q$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: collibf1-2.jhuapl.edu X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8537 Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <6en7u2$q7q$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >The Kermit Project is a strong supporter of cross platform development. >Please keep us up to date with successes and failures. I switched from Cygwin to the U/WIN tools. I must say that I am very impressed. I installed U/WIN on an NT box which had Visual C++ 5. Then I added a ckermit makefile entry based on the linux target, but stripped down a little (appended below). I did _not_ remove tcp, ncurses, or uucp. Then I did "make uwin". About a minute later I had a kermit executable. No compile or link errors in sight. Kermit started up beautifully. The first test I did was to use ckermit to telnet back into the uwin telnetd on the same NT box. (One nice side-benefit of C-Kermit is that it provides a command line telnet client which U/WIN is lacking.) Then within telnet I ran another copy of Kermit and put it into server mode. Then I escaped back out to the first Kermit and transferred some files extremely fast (not surprisingly). One glitch was that the full-screen ckermit mode trashed the screen and caused the transfers to become very slow. But turning off full-screen fixed that. Perhaps I did not have my terminal set up properly. Or maybe U/WIN ncurses is buggy. Another error occurred when I did "dir" or "ls" from the kermit command prompt. A windows error box popped up each time informing me of a bad memory reference. But the listing completed on the terminal as expected. Serial port transfers seem to work well. I have not tried anything with modems. Overall, I am astonished that within 10 or 15 minutes I had unpacked and installed U/WIN, unpacked and compiled C-Kermit almost out of the box and got it running over TCP and serial ports. David Korn has gone a long way toward making NT just another flavor of Unix. That's progress. Skip Collins Lines added to makefile for C-Kermit 6.0.192 obtained from ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cku192.tar.gz uwin: @echo 'Making C-Kermit $(CKVER) for U/WIN...' $(MAKE) wermit "CC = cc" "CC2 = cc" \ "CFLAGS = -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG \ -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET $(KFLAGS)" \ "LNKFLAGS = $(LNKFLAGS)" "LIBS = -lcurses" From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 26 19:57:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07932 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04364 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:57:18 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compiling ckermit with cygnus win32 tools Date: 27 Mar 1998 00:57:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6fethd$3b9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6en7u2$q7q$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6fens8$n3m@aplinfo.jhuapl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8538 In article <6fens8$n3m@aplinfo.jhuapl.edu>, Bernard Collins wrote: : Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <6en7u2$q7q$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... : >The Kermit Project is a strong supporter of cross platform development. : >Please keep us up to date with successes and failures. : : : I switched from Cygwin to the U/WIN tools. I must say that I am very : impressed. : : Overall, I am astonished that within 10 or 15 minutes I had unpacked and : installed U/WIN, unpacked and compiled C-Kermit almost out of the box and : got it running over TCP and serial ports. David Korn has gone a long way : toward making NT just another flavor of Unix. That's progress. I agree that David Korn and his team have done an excellent job of developing a Unix personality that can sit on top of NT. Its wonderful for those of us who would rather use the Korn Shell (ksh) instead of CMD.EXE. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 26 23:43:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA09309 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA16201 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:43:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!news.deltanet.com!not-for-mail From: "Scott Sampson" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit screen displays slowly on Citrix/ICA connection Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:28:37 -0800 Organization: Delta Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6ff9k3$lru$1@news01.deltanet.com> References: <01bd584e$97ac8080$06c9b2cc@compaq2240.thermeon.com> <6fc9ak$h94$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: anx-ana7103.deltanet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8539 > >This is a limitation of Winterm. Winterm does not perform screen >optimization for console applications which it performs on GUI >apps. > >There is nothing that Kermit 95 can do. > Thanks very much for responding. Minor correction - Citrix|Winframe|ICA should replace Winterm. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 27 04:55:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA09405 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA00500 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:55:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ais.net!newsfeed.wli.net!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org@tam.dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Subject: MSDOS Kermit and Unix Lynx and Greek ELOT 928 Fonts Date: 27 Mar 1998 09:12:37 GMT Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: amanda.dorsai.org Mail-Copies-To: vjp2@dorsai.org, vjp2@compuserve.com, vjp2@mcimail.com X-Sys-Config: The configuration of my system is described in my web page. X-Disclaim: Nothing herein constitutes advice; everything fully disclaimed. X-Quiet: My silence is not reluctant acquiescence rather confident deprecation. X-URL: http://www.dorsai.org/~vjp2 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8540 soc.culture.greek:127172 I have successfully read Greek from Lynx on Windows using the Courier New Greek font from www.hri.org/fonts about two years ago - (yet it did not work with the www.goarch.org Greek pages - at least not back then - and they told me that since it worked with Windows, they weren't going to bother). But I have never succeeded in doing this with DOS and MSKermit. I have only tried this using the abcgrl program (I thought it should work because kdp works the same way for Japanese). Perhaps I have been setting the character set wrong in Lynx (heck if I even remember what I used in Windows). HRI had a codepage which doesn't look like the typical IBM codepages in name (I forget right now) so I was confused if it would work and if indeed IBM offers a different codepage inside Greece. Where would I be able to find the standard IBM codepage in the USA (preferably on the web)? Is it possible that the problem with the IBM codepage is that it uses an older format and not the (ISO) ELOT 928? (I saw the Greek fonts for Win 3.11 and I don't recall seeing it there, but I might be wrong.) Please excuse my confusion. - = - Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bioengineer-Financier, NYC BachMozart ReaganQuayle EvrytanoKastorian http://WWW.Dorsai.Org/~vjp2 vjp2@{MCIMail.Com|CompuServe.Com|Dorsai.Org} ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 27 05:01:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA10291 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 05:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA00768 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 05:01:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org@tam.dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,dorsai.helpdesk Subject: Lynx 2.7.1 Download Protocol Options (to include Kermit) Date: 27 Mar 1998 09:01:56 GMT Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6ffpu4$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: amanda.dorsai.org Mail-Copies-To: vjp2@dorsai.org, vjp2@compuserve.com, vjp2@mcimail.com X-Sys-Config: The configuration of my system is described in my web page. X-Disclaim: Nothing herein constitutes advice; everything fully disclaimed. X-Quiet: My silence is not reluctant acquiescence rather confident deprecation. X-URL: http://www.dorsai.org/~vjp2 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8541 dorsai.helpdesk:2189 I've seen Kermit available as a download option on Columbia libraries' Lynx 2.7.1 but here at Dorsai (ISP which I first learned about in the 1988 Columbia Mac UG newsletter) we only have Xmodem and Zmodem. In usr/local/bin we have files named lynx_sb lynx_sx and lynx_sz (no lynx_sk) which seem to be BASH scripts to handle the loading of those protocols. I see nothing about Kermit in my .lynxrc. I was wondering what I should tell the folks at Dorsai about how to include Kermit as an option (actually, one of them asked me to find out - I'm including the Dorsai helpdesk newsgroup on the post header). - = - Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bioengineer-Financier, NYC BachMozart ReaganQuayle EvrytanoKastorian http://WWW.Dorsai.Org/~vjp2 vjp2@{MCIMail.Com|CompuServe.Com|Dorsai.Org} ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 27 09:06:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28367 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02919 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:06:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tezcat!not-for-mail From: "Boris Barvish" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Screen update speed Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:01:47 -0600 Organization: Tezcat.COM - Specialists in human interconnectivity. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6fgbpb$7r2$1@tepe.tezcat.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bbarvish.tezcat.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8542 I am running K95 on a brand new Compaq Pentium II 300 and am experiencing a slow screen update. When I exit, K95 says the following: "?Sorry you must increase your speed..." I am a beginner and am depending on Kermit to run my business. Has anyone out there seen this problem? thanx boris From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 27 10:30:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10930 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA07256 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:30:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,dorsai.helpdesk Subject: Re: Lynx 2.7.1 Download Protocol Options (to include Kermit) Date: 27 Mar 1998 15:30:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6fggn9$l0s$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ffpu4$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8543 dorsai.helpdesk:2192 In article <6ffpu4$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com>, Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier wrote: : I've seen Kermit available as a download option on Columbia libraries' : Lynx 2.7.1 but here at Dorsai (ISP which I first learned about in the : 1988 Columbia Mac UG newsletter) we only have Xmodem and Zmodem. In : usr/local/bin we have files named lynx_sb lynx_sx and lynx_sz (no : lynx_sk) which seem to be BASH scripts to handle the loading of those : protocols. I see nothing about Kermit in my .lynxrc. I was wondering : what I should tell the folks at Dorsai about how to include Kermit as : an option (actually, one of them asked me to find out - I'm including : the Dorsai helpdesk newsgroup on the post header). : As far as I can tell, helper programs for Lynx are configurable only at compile time. Add the following line to the Lynx userdefs.h file before building the Lynx binary: #define TELNET_COMMAND "/opt/bin/kermit -J" And then add lines like the following to the Lynx.cfg file: DOWNLOADER:Kermit binary download:/opt/bin/kermit -i -V -s %s -a %s:TRUE DOWNLOADER:Kermit text download:/opt/bin/kermit -s %s -a %s:TRUE UPLOADER:Kermit binary upload:/opt/bin/kermit -i -r -a %s:TRUE UPLOADER:Kermit text upload:/opt/bin/kermit -r -a %s:TRUE (the switches shown are for C-Kermit 6.0) - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 27 10:33:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12766 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA07480 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:33:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit and Unix Lynx and Greek ELOT 928 Fonts Date: 27 Mar 1998 15:33:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6fggso$l3r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8544 soc.culture.greek:127185 In article <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com>, Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier wrote: : I have successfully read Greek from Lynx on Windows using the : Courier New Greek font from www.hri.org/fonts about two years ago - : (yet it did not work with the www.goarch.org Greek pages - at least : not back then - and they told me that since it worked with Windows, : they weren't going to bother). But I have never succeeded in doing : this with DOS and MSKermit. : MS-DOS Kermit has no built-in support for Greek. You would need to find and load a Greek code page that agrees with the host encoding, and then use "set terminal character set transparent". : Where would I be able to find the : standard IBM codepage in the USA (preferably on the web)? : Good question. If you find an answer, please be sure to post it. By the way, Kermit 95 does support Greek: both ELOT 927 and 928. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 27 10:35:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13178 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:35:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA07564 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:35:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Screen update speed Date: 27 Mar 1998 15:35:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6fgh0p$l6r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6fgbpb$7r2$1@tepe.tezcat.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8545 In article <6fgbpb$7r2$1@tepe.tezcat.com>, Boris Barvish wrote: : I am running K95 on a brand new Compaq Pentium II 300 and am experiencing a : slow screen update. : See http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95techfaq.html. Version 1.1.16, to be announced soon, has an improved screen updating algorithm and should be noticeably snappier, especially on serial connections. : When I exit, K95 says the following: : "?Sorry you must increase your speed..." : That's not a message from Kermit 95. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 27 10:46:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14975 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08070 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:46:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,dorsai.helpdesk Subject: Re: Lynx 2.7.1 Download Protocol Options (to include Kermit) Date: 27 Mar 1998 15:46:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6fghki$lhf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ffpu4$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> <6fggn9$l0s$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8546 dorsai.helpdesk:2193 In article <6fggn9$l0s$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : compile time. Add the following line to the Lynx userdefs.h file before : building the Lynx binary: : : #define TELNET_COMMAND "/opt/bin/kermit -J" : : And then add lines like the following to the Lynx.cfg file: : : DOWNLOADER:Kermit binary download:/opt/bin/kermit -i -V -s %s -a %s:TRUE : DOWNLOADER:Kermit text download:/opt/bin/kermit -s %s -a %s:TRUE : UPLOADER:Kermit binary upload:/opt/bin/kermit -i -r -a %s:TRUE : UPLOADER:Kermit text upload:/opt/bin/kermit -r -a %s:TRUE : : (the switches shown are for C-Kermit 6.0) For Kermit's that support SERVER commands when SET TERM AUTODOWNLOAD is ON such as MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 and Kermit 95 UPLOADER:Kermit binary get:/opt/bin/kermit -ig %s:TRUE UPLOADER:Kermit text get:/opt/bin/kermit -g %s:TRUE Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 27 13:37:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19732 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16985 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:37:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.122.16.44!news.eskimo.com!not-for-mail From: "E" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Do math in Kermit on Linux ? Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:30:02 -0800 Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6fgr68$ref$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wue.ndip.eskimo.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8547 I ran kermit 6 for the first time yesterday. I need to find out if kermit 6 supports mathematical computation. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 27 13:53:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22283 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17738 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:53:16 -0500 (EST) From: "J.Schmidt" Subject: MSDOS Kermit problems Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: <01bd59b0$5e509f20$030aa8c0@pc3.msr-solution.de> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.60.102.201 Date: 27 Mar 98 18:35:15 GMT Lines: 14 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-hh.maz.net!news.uni-X.net!195.60.102.201 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8548 We intend to use MSDOS Kermit on the Symbol PPT 4100, a PC-compatible hand-held terminal. It runs DOS 5.0 and has about 500kb conventional memory free. When doing serial communication, it' put in a cradle, having a infrared connection to it. Kermit 3.14 from 1993 starts up and goes into server mode. When the client ( a desktop pc) issues commands, it usually executes the first command correctly, even a time consuming long download, but after getting further commands Kermits exits with a 'Divide overflow' error message. A Kermit 3.14 version from 1995 and Kermit 3.15 don't even start. Any idea what could be wrong ? Is source code somehow available to better track this phenomenon ? Thanks in advance for any comment. Joachim From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 27 14:09:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25036 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18639 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:09:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Do math in Kermit on Linux ? Date: 27 Mar 1998 19:09:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6fgtgf$shm$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6fgr68$ref$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8549 In article <6fgr68$ref$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>, E wrote: : I ran kermit 6 for the first time yesterday. I need to find out if kermit 6 : supports mathematical computation. : Yes it does (integer only). As noted on page 35 of "Using C-Kermit", you can put an arithmetic expression (possibly containing variables) in most places where you could put a number. Arithmetic expressions support regular mathematical notation -- parentheses for grouping, fourteen different arithmetic and logical operators with well-defined precedence, etc. And as noted on page 394, there is also a selection of arithmetic functions. Plus you can define your own functions, even recursive ones. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 27 14:12:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25733 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18937 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:12:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit problems Date: 27 Mar 1998 19:12:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6fgtnd$snd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd59b0$5e509f20$030aa8c0@pc3.msr-solution.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8550 In article <01bd59b0$5e509f20$030aa8c0@pc3.msr-solution.de>, J.Schmidt wrote: : We intend to use MSDOS Kermit on the Symbol PPT 4100, a PC-compatible : hand-held terminal. It runs DOS 5.0 and has about 500kb conventional memory : free. When doing serial communication, it' put in a cradle, having a : infrared connection to it. : Kermit 3.14 from 1993 starts up and goes into server mode. When the client : ( a desktop pc) issues commands, it usually executes the first command : correctly, even a time consuming long download, but after getting further : commands Kermits exits with a 'Divide overflow' error message. : A Kermit 3.14 version from 1995 and Kermit 3.15 don't even start. : Any idea what could be wrong ? : Any Divide Overflow errors experienced by MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 when running under DOS should be fixed in 3.15, so the solution to that problem is to use 3.15. As to why 3.15 doesn't start, my first guess would be that, since it is marginally larger than 3.14, it does not fit in the available memory. In that case, try one of the smaller versions, such as MSK315M.EXE. If that doesn't help, send a report to: kermit-support@columbia.edu and we'll see if we can find out what the trouble is. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 27 16:46:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26876 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26736 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:46:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news2.euro.net!news3.euro.net!usenet From: "Denis Liégeois" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit and Unix Lynx and Greek ELOT 928 Fonts Date: 27 Mar 1998 21:45:09 GMT Organization: EuroNet Internet Lines: 2 Message-ID: <6fh6l5$1du@news3.euro.net> References: <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> <6fggso$l3r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: i122.bru.euronet.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8551 soc.culture.greek:127201 Just a question: ELOT 928 is ISO-8859-7. What is ELOT 927 ? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 27 17:24:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04476 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:24:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28869 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:24:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!usenet From: Linh Trang Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: IP address Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:23:17 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <351C26D5.B17F0EDC@asu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: iclnf.inre.asu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8552 Hello, I don't know much about Kermit95, so, hopefully you gurus out there can help me. When I dial into school with my modem using Kermit 95 for the ASCII connection., I am assuming that I am dynamically assigned an IP address in order to communicate with the UNIX server.  If that is correct, how would I be able to ascertain the PPP address that is assigned to me. I don't quite understand the communications connection between the two points.  It seems more like an ASCII scheme or such; and hence no IP address would be present at all. I guess I'm just thoroughly confused and talking gibberish at this point. Thanks in advance,   Linh Trang From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 27 17:55:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11546 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA00539 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:55:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IP address Date: 27 Mar 1998 22:55:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6fhaov$7f6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <351C26D5.B17F0EDC@asu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8553 In article <351C26D5.B17F0EDC@asu.edu>, Linh Trang wrote: : Hello, : : I don't know much about Kermit95, so, hopefully you gurus out there can : help me. : : When I dial into school with my modem using Kermit 95 for the ASCII : connection., I am assuming that I am dynamically assigned an IP address : in order to communicate with the UNIX server.  If that is correct, how : would I be able to ascertain the PPP address that is assigned to me. : : I don't quite understand the communications connection between the two : points.  It seems more like an ASCII scheme or such; and hence no IP : address would be present at all. When you dial in with Kermit neither SLIP nor PPP is used. Therefore, no IP address is assigned. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 27 20:05:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04615 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07300 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:05:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: jabr@mindspring.com (John Brnich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for sco xenix Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:42:14 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 73 Message-ID: <351d436a.1308303@news.mindspring.com> References: <6e9nig$npb$1@camel29.mindspring.com> <6e9ol0$6dl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3519b9e2.47872769@news.mindspring.com> <6fdu0c$e3l$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jabr@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-38lccig.dialup.mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 28 Mar 1998 00:40:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8554 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <3519b9e2.47872769@news.mindspring.com>, >John Brnich wrote: >: ... >: Local sys is SCO xenix 286. I am using the binary from the >: \unix\sco\xenix dir (kermit5) >: >From the C-Kermit CDROM? I purchased C-kermit 6.0 CD and manual. The binary I'm using is titled kermit5 and is on the CD in the above directory. I believe it identifies itself as kermit for xenix 286. > >: Thanks. I shortened the block and the script now runs. However, the >: new problem: after the remote sys (win95, procomm 32 in host mode) >: answers, ":they" (I think local kermit) disconnect immediatley. >: >Procomm is, of course, an unknown quantity to us, and so that makes this >entire connection problematic from a support point of view. If I enter the set commands and dial command from the keyboard, I have no problem connecting. It is only from the script that I have a problem. > >: I've used kermit5 in termianl mode and have connected and interacted >: successfully. Shold the following code work: >: :begin >: set modem type multitech >: >This command won't work because "set modem type" was not a C-Kermit >command until version 6.0. > >: set line /dev/tty1a >: set speed 9600 >: ;...........set carrier-watch on;(enable if having problems)?? >: >Ditto. > >: set dial retries 15 >: set dial timeout 65 >: set dial connect on >: >Ditto for all these. > >: echo \13 >: :dialout >: echo \13 >: dial t1800xxxxxxxx4\13 >: >In short, all of the advanced dialing and modem stuff is new >to C-Kermit 6.0. All of the "set" commands seem to work; at least I don't get any error messages. Is the "set dial connect on" command required from a script, or should kermit sense a connection? > >If you would like to try to build C-Kermit 6.0 on Xenix 286, >please contact me; I'll be glad to help. I'll try again on tuesday to get kermit5 to work. If it doesn't, I would appreciate your help with the build. Do I send you an email or message you here? Thanks for the help! JB From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 28 05:56:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA05702 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 05:56:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA06332 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 05:56:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org@tam.dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,dorsai.helpdesk Subject: Re: Lynx 2.7.1 Download Protocol Options (to include Kermit) Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,dorsai.helpdesk Date: 28 Mar 1998 10:00:14 GMT Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6fihne$7b1@enews3.newsguy.com> References: <6ffpu4$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> <6fggn9$l0s$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: amanda.dorsai.org Mail-Copies-To: vjp2@dorsai.org, vjp2@compuserve.com, vjp2@mcimail.com X-Sys-Config: The configuration of my system is described in my web page. X-Disclaim: Nothing herein constitutes advice; everything fully disclaimed. X-Quiet: My silence is not reluctant acquiescence rather confident deprecation. X-URL: http://www.dorsai.org/~vjp2 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8556 dorsai.helpdesk:2197 Thanks all.. I've forwarded them.. - = - Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bioengineer-Financier, NYC BachMozart ReaganQuayle EvrytanoKastorian http://WWW.Dorsai.Org/~vjp2 vjp2@{MCIMail.Com|CompuServe.Com|Dorsai.Org} ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 28 06:57:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA12328 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 06:57:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA09908 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 06:57:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.122.16.44!news.eskimo.com!not-for-mail From: "Enoch Wu" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Math Function Library Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:43:10 -0800 Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6fhv3j$cc0$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wue.ndip.eskimo.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8557 I am sorry my news reader was not configured properly. Therefore I am reposting the following question: What math functions are available in C-kermit ? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 28 09:47:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10860 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18719 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:47:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Dimitris Magarakis" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit and Unix Lynx and Greek ELOT 928 Fonts Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:15:19 +0200 Organization: FORTHnet S.A. - HELLENIC TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND TELEMATICS APPLICATIONS COMPANY Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6fit44$dir$1@medousa.forthnet.gr> References: <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> <6fggso$l3r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6fh6l5$1du@news3.euro.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp58.ath.forthnet.gr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.planetc.com!news-ath.forthnet.gr!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8558 soc.culture.greek:127249 Íéüíéï Ëéåãéþôç, ðüóï ÷áßñïìáé ðïõ óå îáíáâñßóêù. Åß÷á ÷Üóåé üëï ôï mailbox êáé ôï âéâëßï äéåõèýíóåùí ôï öèéíüðùñï áðï Ýíáí åëáôôùìáôéêü äßóêï. Ðïéüò êáëüò newsserver óå Ýöåñå óôï grk.forthnet.users; Åëðßæù íá Ý÷ïõìå ôçí ÷áñÜ íá óå âëÝðïõìå óõ÷íÜ åäþ. Ãéá íá åßìáé åéëéêñéíÞò, áðï ôçí óôéãìÞ ðïõ îÝñù ïôé ðáñáêïëïõèåßò ôçí ïìÜäá, èá åßìáé ðéï ðñïóåêôéêüò óôçí ïñèïãñáößá. Óå äýï ôåëåõôáßá ìçíýìáôá åß÷á äýï ïñèïãñáöéêÜ ëÜèç ðïõ âãÜæáíå ìÜôé (ç âéáóýíç âëÝðåéò). ÁéóèÜíïìáé ôçí õðï÷ñÝùóç, óáí ðáëéüò óïõ ößëïò, íá óå óõóôÞóù óôçí ïìÜäá ìáò. Ëïéðüí ðáéäéÜ, ï Denis åßíáé ÂÝëãïò. ÁãáðÜåé ôçí ÅëëÜäá ßóùò ðéï ðïëý áðï üôé ôçí áãáðÜìå ìåñéêïß áðï ìáò. ÌéëÜåé (ôïõëÜ÷éóôïí ãñÜöåé) Üðôáéóôá ÅëëçíéêÜ ÷ùñßò Ýíá ïñèïãñáöéêü Þ óõíôáêôéêü ëÜèïò. Å÷åé êáíïíéêÜ (óõíÞèùò) åãêáôåóôçìÝíá ôá ÅëëçíéêÜ óôïí õðïëïãéóôÞ ôïõ. Ç "ìåôÜöñáóç" ôïõ ïíüìáôüò ôïõ óôá ÅëëçíéêÜ, Ýãéíå ìå ôïí ÅëëçíïðñåðÝóôåñï ôñüðï áðï ôïí ßäéï ôïí Denis êáé ü÷é áðï ìÝíá. ÃíùñéóôÞêáìå ðñéí áðï Ýíá ÷ñüíï óôá newsgroups ôçò microsoft êáé áëëçëïãñáöÞóáìå ãéá êÜðïéï ôå÷íéêü èÝìá. Öáíôáóôåßôå ôçí ÝêðëçîÞ ìïõ, üôáí ìïõ áðÜíôçóå óå Üðôáéóôá ÅëëçíéêÜ ìå Åëëçíéêïýò ÷áñáêôÞñåò. Êáé üëá áõôÜ óõíÝâáéíáí ôçí åðï÷Þ ðïõ åäþ óôçí ÅëëÜäá ìåñéêïß õðïóôçñßæáíå ïôé åßíáé äýóêïëï íá ãñÜöïõí ìå Åëëçíéêïýò ÷áñáêôÞñåò. Ï Denis Ý÷åé Üñéóôåò ãíþóåéò ðÜíù óôá windows êáé åßíáé êáôáðëçêôéêüò (üðùò Ý÷ù äåß óôá groups ôçò microsoft) óôï íá åîçãÞóåé ôá ìõóôéêÜ ôùí êùäéêïóåëßäùí êáé íá âïçèÞóåé üðïéïí èÝëåé íá åãêáôáóôÞóåé Üëëåò ãëþóóåò. Íéüíéï, êáëþò Þñèåò óôï grk.forthnet.users. Åëðßæù óýíôïìá íá ìðïñÝóåéò íá îáíÜñèåéò óôçí ÅëëÜäá ìå ôçí ïéêïãÝíåéÜ óïõ. Êáé åëðßæù ç ÅëëÜäá, ìÝóá óôçí åîÝëéîÞ ôçò, íá êñáôÞóåé üëá åêåßíá ôá êáëÜ óôïé÷åßá ðïõ áãÜðçóåò êáé ðïõ êé åìåßò áãáðÜìå. -- Dimitris Magarakis diol@ath.forthnet.gr Denis Liégeois wrote in message <6fh6l5$1du@news3.euro.net>... >Just a question: ELOT 928 is ISO-8859-7. What is ELOT 927 ? > From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 28 15:23:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06769 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:23:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05943 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:23:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!tony From: tony@dorsai.org (Tony Tonns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,dorsai.helpdesk Subject: Re: Lynx 2.7.1 Download Protocol Options (to include Kermit) Date: 28 Mar 1998 19:20:57 GMT Organization: The Dorsai Embassy Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <6ffpu4$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: amanda.dorsai.org X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.5) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8559 dorsai.helpdesk:2198 In article <6ffpu4$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com>, Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier wrote: >I've seen Kermit available as a download option on Columbia libraries' >Lynx 2.7.1 but here at Dorsai (ISP which I first learned about in the >1988 Columbia Mac UG newsletter) we only have Xmodem and Zmodem. In >usr/local/bin we have files named lynx_sb lynx_sx and lynx_sz (no >lynx_sk) which seem to be BASH scripts to handle the loading of those >protocols. I see nothing about Kermit in my .lynxrc. I was wondering >what I should tell the folks at Dorsai about how to include Kermit as >an option (actually, one of them asked me to find out - I'm including >the Dorsai helpdesk newsgroup on the post header). Seems there is a default Kermit downloader in /usr/local/lib/lynx.cfg I just enabled it, Good Luck. -- Replicants are like any other other machine, they're either a benefit or a hazard. If they're a benefit, it's not my problem. -- Deckard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Tonns - Director of Operations, The Dorsai Embassy tony@dorsai.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 28 15:57:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13027 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07790 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:57:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.103.147.20!news.voicenet.com!news2.voicenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Subject: Re: Lynx 2.7.1 Download Protocol Options (to include Kermit) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,dorsai.helpdesk Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,dorsai.helpdesk References: <6ffpu4$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 48 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:56:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:56:43 EST Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8560 dorsai.helpdesk:2199 Tony Tonns (tony@dorsai.org) wrote: : In article <6ffpu4$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com>, Vasos Panagiotopoulos :+1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier wrote: : >I've seen Kermit available as a download option on Columbia libraries' : >Lynx 2.7.1 but here at Dorsai (ISP which I first learned about in the : >1988 Columbia Mac UG newsletter) we only have Xmodem and Zmodem. In : >usr/local/bin we have files named lynx_sb lynx_sx and lynx_sz (no : >lynx_sk) which seem to be BASH scripts to handle the loading of those : >protocols. I see nothing about Kermit in my .lynxrc. I was wondering : >what I should tell the folks at Dorsai about how to include Kermit as : >an option (actually, one of them asked me to find out - I'm including : >the Dorsai helpdesk newsgroup on the post header). : Seems there is a default Kermit downloader in /usr/local/lib/lynx.cfg : I just enabled it, Good Luck. I don't see it mentioned much, so : the download options and mime capability of lynx in conjunction with the apc escape mechanism of kermit allows lynx on a remote to download and view an item on a local pc (jpg pdf mpg etc). This turns lynx into a _fast text browser with graphics capabilities_ when needed. I was once using sixel to do similar thing then the 16 color graphics modes on my videocard broke. So I finally got around to setting up tin,mutt,lynx on a unix account over a serial line to process graphics on my local pc using the apc mechanism and found it better than sixel (not that graphics emulations in mskermit don't have their place). : -- : Replicants are like any other other machine, they're either a benefit or a : hazard. If they're a benefit, it's not my problem. -- Deckard : ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Tony Tonns - Director of Operations, The Dorsai Embassy tony@dorsai.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 29 15:52:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24463 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20522 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:52:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org@tam.dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,dorsai.helpdesk Subject: Re: Lynx 2.7.1 Download Protocol Options (to include Kermit) Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,dorsai.helpdesk Date: 29 Mar 1998 20:12:20 GMT Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6fm9v4$vu@enews4.newsguy.com> References: <6ffpu4$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: amanda.dorsai.org Mail-Copies-To: vjp2@dorsai.org, vjp2@compuserve.com, vjp2@mcimail.com X-Sys-Config: The configuration of my system is described in my web page. X-Disclaim: Nothing herein constitutes advice; everything fully disclaimed. X-Quiet: My silence is not reluctant acquiescence rather confident deprecation. X-URL: http://www.dorsai.org/~vjp2 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8561 dorsai.helpdesk:2202 thanks - = - Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bioengineer-Financier, NYC BachMozart ReaganQuayle EvrytanoKastorian http://WWW.Dorsai.Org/~vjp2 vjp2@{MCIMail.Com|CompuServe.Com|Dorsai.Org} ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 29 15:58:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24935 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20913 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:58:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news2.euro.net!news3.euro.net!usenet From: "Denis Liégeois" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit and Unix Lynx and Greek ELOT 928 Fonts Date: 29 Mar 1998 20:57:52 GMT Organization: EuroNet Internet Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6fmckg$iqk@news3.euro.net> References: <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> <6fggso$l3r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6fh6l5$1du@news3.euro.net> <6fit44$dir$1@medousa.forthnet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: i236.bru.euronet.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8562 soc.culture.greek:127317 >Íéüíéï Ëéåãéþôç, > >ðüóï ÷áßñïìáé ðïõ óå îáíáâñßóêù. ÃåéÜ óïõ ÄçìÞôñç. Åõ÷áñéóôþ... êáé íôñÝðïìáé ëéãÜêé, áöïý ëåò ôüóá êáëÜ ëüãéá ãéá ìÝíá. >Ðïéüò êáëüò newsserver óå Ýöåñå óôï grk.forthnet.users; Åëðßæù íá Ý÷ïõìå ôçí >÷áñÜ íá óå âëÝðïõìå óõ÷íÜ åäþ. Áðëþò áðÜíôçóá, ÷ùñßò íá ðñïóÝîù, ó'Ýíá ìÞíõìá ðïõ áðåõèõíüôáí óå 3 newsgroups. Äåí öáßíåôáé íá Ý÷ù Üìåóç ðñüóâáóç óôï grk.forthnet.users. Ðùò ëÝãåôáé ôï server (áí ç ðñüóâáóç åßíáé åëåýèåñç, öõóéêÜ); From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 29 18:38:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15299 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:38:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA29029 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:38:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!dendarii.demon.co.uk!mike From: mike@dendarii.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit and Linux Red Hat 5.0 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 98 20:59:51 GMT Organization: Miles' Minions Message-ID: <891205191snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-Mail2News-User: mike@dendarii.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: dendarii.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 891207804 23679 mike dendarii.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 14 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8563 I've just upgraded RedHat Linux to version 5.0. However when trying to compile, a large number of error messages were produced. These all appear to be in ckutio.c at lines 4679, 4685, 4833, 6092. I'm new both to unix and to gcc though I can compile using make:). Has anyone else managed to compile Kertmit under RedHat 5.0? If so are there any instructions, (ie patches) and should these be added to the FAQ? Mike -- "Linux, WinNT and MS-DOS. The Good, The Bad and The Ugly" From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 30 06:30:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA06931 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA23474 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:30:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!paralynx!news.mindlink.net!paralynx-2!paralynx!paralynx-4!van-bc!nntp.portal.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.ultranet.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org@tam.dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit and Unix Lynx and Greek ELOT 928 Fonts Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Date: 30 Mar 1998 10:13:53 GMT Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6fnr91$si4@enews4.newsguy.com> References: <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> <6fggso$l3r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6fh6l5$1du@news3.euro.net> <6fit44$dir$1@medousa.forthnet.gr> <6fmckg$iqk@news3.euro.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: amanda.dorsai.org Mail-Copies-To: vjp2@dorsai.org, vjp2@compuserve.com, vjp2@mcimail.com X-Sys-Config: The configuration of my system is described in my web page. X-Disclaim: Nothing herein constitutes advice; everything fully disclaimed. X-Quiet: My silence is not reluctant acquiescence rather confident deprecation. X-URL: http://www.dorsai.org/~vjp2 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8564 soc.culture.greek:127350 I got gauss.cpi from www.hri.org/fonts but don't know if there's a way to make MS-Kermit alone use it. Since it doesn't work the way the MS-DOS help files say it shoul (but I don't have the Greek files the MS-DOS help files say I need - I'm told only NT 4.0 DOS is country-blind and has them all on one version - I was wondering if there is a web page to find them at? Or do I have to go out and buy "Greek MS-DOS"?). KDP is a Japanese-font utility which allows Kermit to read Japanese (You run Kermit with the DOS command "KDP MSKERMIT") I have used the ABCGRL.COM utility (TSR?) to use ELOT fonts in Emacs, VEdit and other DOS programs, but it doesn't seem to work with Kermit (linking to Lynx). In Windows, connecting to Lynx with a terminal emulator, works ok if I set IBM CODEPAGE and RAW MODE. But in MSKermit, this just beeps alot and splatters all over the page when Greek text is encountered. I am also confused, so sorry in advance. - = - Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bioengineer-Financier, NYC BachMozart ReaganQuayle EvrytanoKastorian http://WWW.Dorsai.Org/~vjp2 vjp2@{MCIMail.Com|CompuServe.Com|Dorsai.Org} ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 30 09:51:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19526 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04255 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:51:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.65.142!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2!news@tiac.net From: A M Lucey Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for sco xenix Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:49:41 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Lines: 80 Message-ID: <351FB105.31C0@compu-craft.com> References: <6e9nig$npb$1@camel29.mindspring.com> <6e9ol0$6dl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3519b9e2.47872769@news.mindspring.com> <6fdu0c$e3l$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <351d436a.1308303@news.mindspring.com> Reply-To: art@compu-craft.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ccraft.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) To: jabr@mindspring.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8566 John Brnich wrote: > > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > > >In article <3519b9e2.47872769@news.mindspring.com>, > >John Brnich wrote: > >: ... > >: Local sys is SCO xenix 286. I am using the binary from the > >: \unix\sco\xenix dir (kermit5) > >: > >From the C-Kermit CDROM? > > I purchased C-kermit 6.0 CD and manual. The binary I'm using is titled > kermit5 and is on the CD in the above directory. I believe it > identifies itself as kermit for xenix 286. > > > >: Thanks. I shortened the block and the script now runs. However, the > >: new problem: after the remote sys (win95, procomm 32 in host mode) > >: answers, ":they" (I think local kermit) disconnect immediatley. > >: > >Procomm is, of course, an unknown quantity to us, and so that makes this > >entire connection problematic from a support point of view. > > If I enter the set commands and dial command from the keyboard, I have > no problem connecting. It is only from the script that I have a > problem. > > > >: I've used kermit5 in termianl mode and have connected and interacted > >: successfully. Shold the following code work: > >: :begin > >: set modem type multitech > >: > >This command won't work because "set modem type" was not a C-Kermit > >command until version 6.0. > > > >: set line /dev/tty1a > >: set speed 9600 > >: ;...........set carrier-watch on;(enable if having problems)?? > >: > >Ditto. > > > >: set dial retries 15 > >: set dial timeout 65 > >: set dial connect on > >: > >Ditto for all these. > > > >: echo \13 > >: :dialout > >: echo \13 > >: dial t1800xxxxxxxx4\13 > >: > >In short, all of the advanced dialing and modem stuff is new > >to C-Kermit 6.0. > > All of the "set" commands seem to work; at least I don't get any error > messages. Is the "set dial connect on" command required from a > script, or should kermit sense a connection? > > > > >If you would like to try to build C-Kermit 6.0 on Xenix 286, > >please contact me; I'll be glad to help. > > I'll try again on tuesday to get kermit5 to work. If it doesn't, I > would appreciate your help with the build. Do I send you an email or > message you here? > > > > >: > > Thanks for the help! > JB If you are looking for a Kermit ver 6 binary for SCO XENIX286 try: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/ckuker.sco286 I have not tried it under XENIX286 but it does work under XENIX386. Art/CCRAFT From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 30 10:36:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28918 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06452 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:36:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit and Unix Lynx and Greek ELOT 928 Fonts Date: 30 Mar 1998 15:36:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6foe59$s12$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> <6fggso$l3r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6fh6l5$1du@news3.euro.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8567 soc.culture.greek:127356 In article <6fh6l5$1du@news3.euro.net>, Denis Liégeois wrote: : Just a question: ELOT 928 is ISO-8859-7. What is ELOT 927 ? : It is a 7-bit set (like ASCII) in which the lowercase Roman letters are replaced by uppercase Greek letters. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 30 10:39:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29491 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06620 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:39:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for sco xenix Date: 30 Mar 1998 15:39:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6foeau$s30$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6e9nig$npb$1@camel29.mindspring.com> <3519b9e2.47872769@news.mindspring.com> <6fdu0c$e3l$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <351d436a.1308303@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8568 In article <351d436a.1308303@news.mindspring.com>, John Brnich wrote: : >This command won't work because "set modem type" was not a C-Kermit : >command until version 6.0. : >... : >In short, all of the advanced dialing and modem stuff is new : >to C-Kermit 6.0. : : All of the "set" commands seem to work; at least I don't get any error : messages. : Then there is some confusion about which version of C-Kermit you have. The "version" command tells you the version number. : Is the "set dial connect on" command required from a : script, or should kermit sense a connection? : It sounds like you need manual. In Kermit programs, "connect mode" refers to online, interactive communication with the host. This is exactly what you *don't* want in a script. Just remove that command, and also remove all other commands that contain the word "connect" if you want the script to have control. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 30 10:40:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29828 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06693 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:40:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Math Function Library Date: 30 Mar 1998 15:40:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6foee0$s5b$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6fhv3j$cc0$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8569 In article <6fhv3j$cc0$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>, Enoch Wu wrote: : I am sorry my news reader was not configured properly. Therefore I am : reposting the following question: : : What math functions are available in C-kermit ? : In article <6fgr68$ref$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>, E wrote: : I ran kermit 6 for the first time yesterday. I need to find out if kermit 6 : supports mathematical computation. : Yes it does (integer only). As noted on page 35 of "Using C-Kermit", you can put an arithmetic expression (possibly containing variables) in most places where you could put a number. Arithmetic expressions support regular mathematical notation -- parentheses for grouping, fourteen different arithmetic and logical operators with well-defined precedence, etc. And as noted on page 394, there is also a selection of arithmetic functions. Plus you can define your own functions, even recursive ones. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 30 10:42:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00269 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06851 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:42:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit and Unix Lynx and Greek ELOT 928 Fonts Date: 30 Mar 1998 15:42:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6foehu$s6c$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> <6fit44$dir$1@medousa.forthnet.gr> <6fmckg$iqk@news3.euro.net> <6fnr91$si4@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8570 soc.culture.greek:127357 In article <6fnr91$si4@enews4.newsguy.com>, Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier wrote: : I got gauss.cpi from www.hri.org/fonts but don't know if : there's a way to make MS-Kermit alone use it. Since it doesn't work : the way the MS-DOS help files say it shoul (but I don't have the Greek : files the MS-DOS help files say I need - I'm told only NT 4.0 DOS is : country-blind and has them all on one version - I was wondering if : there is a web page to find them at? : It's not clear from your message if you have NT or DOS. If you have DOS, you'll need to find a Greek Code page that matches the remote character set, and then use MS-DOS Kermit with "set term char transparent". If you have NT, then you need Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html It "just works" with Greek. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 30 12:42:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24540 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:42:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA13023 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:42:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!enews.sgi.com!coop.net!newsfeed1.global.lmco.com!svlss.lmms.lmco.com!news From: Jon Papadimitriou Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Subject: Denis Ligeois Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:15:35 -0500 Organization: Hellas Lines: 22 Message-ID: <351F9AF2.791F90EA@geocities.com> References: <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> <6fggso$l3r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6fh6l5$1du@news3.euro.net> <6fit44$dir$1@medousa.forthnet.gr> <6fmckg$iqk@news3.euro.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: jpapadim.mar.lmco.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8571 soc.culture.greek:127362 Denis Liégeois wrote: > >Íéüíéï Ëéåãéþôç, > > > >ðüóï ÷áßñïìáé ðïõ óå îáíáâñßóêù. > > ÃåéÜ óïõ ÄçìÞôñç. Åõ÷áñéóôþ... êáé íôñÝðïìáé ëéãÜêé, áöïý ëåò ôüóá êáëÜ > ëüãéá ãéá ìÝíá. > > >Ðïéüò êáëüò newsserver óå Ýöåñå óôï grk.forthnet.users; Åëðßæù íá Ý÷ïõìå > ôçí > >÷áñÜ íá óå âëÝðïõìå óõ÷íÜ åäþ. > > Áðëþò áðÜíôçóá, ÷ùñßò íá ðñïóÝîù, ó'Ýíá ìÞíõìá ðïõ áðåõèõíüôáí óå 3 > newsgroups. Äåí öáßíåôáé íá Ý÷ù Üìåóç ðñüóâáóç óôï grk.forthnet.users. Ðùò > ëÝãåôáé ôï server (áí ç ðñüóâáóç åßíáé åëåýèåñç, öõóéêÜ); Denis....äïêßìáóå ôï news.sae.gr .... ôï ÷ñçóéìïðïéþ áð'ôï óðßôé êáé Ý÷åé ðïëëÜ åëëçíéêÜ newsgroups. Áð'üôé êáôëáâáßíù, åßíáé åëåýèåñç ðñüóâáóç. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 30 15:02:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24146 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:02:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20284 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:02:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!netnews.com!news2.euro.net!news3.euro.net!usenet From: "Denis Liégeois" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit and Unix Lynx and Greek ELOT 928 Fonts Date: 30 Mar 1998 19:54:28 GMT Organization: EuroNet Internet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6fot9k$pgq@news3.euro.net> References: <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> <6fggso$l3r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6fh6l5$1du@news3.euro.net> <6foe59$s12$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: i237.bru.euronet.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8572 soc.culture.greek:127369 >It is a 7-bit set (like ASCII) in which the lowercase Roman letters >are replaced by uppercase Greek letters. Wïw. Thank you, Frank. May I ask you where this specific information can be found on the web or elsewhere? In order to promote Greece and the Greek language, I suppose, ELOT itself, at, http://www.elot.gr/orderformgr.html says I should pay, take a plane and go to Athens! From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 30 15:17:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26482 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21025 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:17:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit and Unix Lynx and Greek ELOT 928 Fonts Date: 30 Mar 1998 20:17:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6fouk4$8iv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> <6fh6l5$1du@news3.euro.net> <6foe59$s12$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6fot9k$pgq@news3.euro.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8573 soc.culture.greek:127370 In article <6fot9k$pgq@news3.euro.net>, Denis Liégeois wrote: : >It is a 7-bit set (like ASCII) in which the lowercase Roman letters : >are replaced by uppercase Greek letters. : : May I ask you where this specific information can be found on the web : or elsewhere? : My listing of this character set came by fax from Greece. I made an online table for ELOT 927, which you can find at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/charsets/elot927.* - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 31 03:00:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA02085 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 03:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA00238 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 03:00:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Denis Liegeois" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit and Unix Lynx and Greek ELOT 928 Fonts Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:05:07 +0200 Organization: World Council of Hellenes Abroad Lines: 2 Message-ID: <6fq5ab$ds2$1@odysseus.sae.gr> References: <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> <6fh6l5$1du@news3.euro.net> <6foe59$s12$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6fot9k$pgq@news3.euro.net> <6fouk4$8iv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: i132.bru.euronet.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.planetc.com!news-ath.forthnet.gr!news-the.forthnet.gr!odysseus.sae.gr!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8574 soc.culture.greek:127406 Thank you, again. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 31 09:03:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27789 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20144 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:03:56 -0500 (EST) From: Manolis Christodoulou Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit and Unix Lynx and Greek ELOT 928 Fonts Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:48:41 +0100 Organization: Foundation for Research and Technology Hellas, FORTHnet Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3520E629.D79AD635@med.auth.gr> References: <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> <6fggso$l3r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6fh6l5$1du@news3.euro.net> <6fit44$dir$1@medousa.forthnet.gr> <6fmckg$iqk@news3.euro.net> <6fnr91$si4@enews4.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp3.pel.forthnet.gr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) X-Corel-MessageType: EMail Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.planetc.com!news-ath.forthnet.gr!news-the.forthnet.gr!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8575 soc.culture.greek:127418 Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier wrote: > > I got gauss.cpi from www.hri.org/fonts but don't know if > there's a way to make MS-Kermit alone use it. Since it doesn't work > the way the MS-DOS help files say it shoul (but I don't have the Greek > files the MS-DOS help files say I need - I'm told only NT 4.0 DOS is > country-blind and has them all on one version - I was wondering if > there is a web page to find them at? Or do I have to go out and buy > "Greek MS-DOS"?). KDP is a Japanese-font utility which allows Kermit > to read Japanese (You run Kermit with the DOS command "KDP MSKERMIT") > I have used the ABCGRL.COM utility (TSR?) to use ELOT fonts in Emacs, > VEdit and other DOS programs, but it doesn't seem to work with Kermit > (linking to Lynx). In Windows, connecting to Lynx with a terminal > emulator, works ok if I set IBM CODEPAGE and RAW MODE. But in > MSKermit, this just beeps alot and splatters all over the page when > Greek text is encountered. I am also confused, so sorry in advance. Ðïý ôï èõìÞèçêåò áõôü ôï áñ÷åßï; Ôï åß÷á öôéÜîåé ðñéí áðü ÷ñüíéá êáé åß÷á îå÷Üóåé áêüìá êáé ôçí ýðáñîÞ ôïõ. Åßíáé cp737 óõìâáôü ìüíï ó÷åôéêÜ ìå ôéò èÝóåéò ôùí ÷áñáêôÞñùí. Åóý ðñÝðåé íá ïñßóåéò code page 437 óá íá Þôáí êáíïíéêÜ áìåñéêÜíéêç ãéá íá äïõëÝøåé óùóôÜ. Ìáíüëçò. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 31 09:08:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28169 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20285 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:08:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.idt.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!pln-e!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org@tam.dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit and Unix Lynx and Greek ELOT 928 Fonts Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Date: 31 Mar 1998 09:41:19 GMT Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA Lines: 49 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6fqdnv$4n4@enews1.newsguy.com> References: <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> <6fit44$dir$1@medousa.forthnet.gr> <6fmckg$iqk@news3.euro.net> <6fnr91$si4@enews4.newsguy.com> <6foehu$s6c$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: amanda.dorsai.org Mail-Copies-To: vjp2@dorsai.org, vjp2@compuserve.com, vjp2@mcimail.com X-Sys-Config: The configuration of my system is described in my web page. X-Disclaim: Nothing herein constitutes advice; everything fully disclaimed. X-Quiet: My silence is not reluctant acquiescence rather confident deprecation. X-URL: http://www.dorsai.org/~vjp2 X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8576 soc.culture.greek:127419 In <6foehu$s6c$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> by Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) on 30 Mar 1998 15:42:54 GMT we perused: *+-In article <6fnr91$si4@enews4.newsguy.com>, *+-Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier wrote: *+-: I got gauss.cpi from www.hri.org/fonts but don't know if *+-: there's a way to make MS-Kermit alone use it. Since it doesn't work *+-: the way the MS-DOS help files say it shoul (but I don't have the Greek *+-: files the MS-DOS help files say I need - I'm told only NT 4.0 DOS is *+-: country-blind and has them all on one version - I was wondering if *+-: there is a web page to find them at? *+-It's not clear from your message if you have NT or DOS. If you have DOS, Vanilla MS-DOS is what I'm concerned about in this instance. *+-you'll need to find a Greek Code page that matches the remote character set, *+-and then use MS-DOS Kermit with "set term char transparent". Right - that's what I'm looking for - the Greek Code Page that matches the character set used in web pages, newsgroups and e-mail from Greece. (I don't think it matters but I use Lynx, Tin and SunMail on GNU BASH Unix with this Dorsai shell account.) Is it buried somewhere in this "GAUSS.CPI"? If not, where do I find it? (The comment on NT came because I e-mailed the microsoft.com author of one of the translation tables on unicode.org and she replied that I can find the code page on the disks that come with NT 4.0.) Thanks. - = - Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bioengineer-Financier, NYC BachMozart ReaganQuayle EvrytanoKastorian http://WWW.Dorsai.Org/~vjp2 vjp2@{MCIMail.Com|CompuServe.Com|Dorsai.Org} ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 31 14:21:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11058 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07305 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:21:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: phollet@larcan.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: info on a COMLI protocal Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:15:56 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6frf86$4v1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.245.216.234 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 31 19:15:56 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 3.1) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8577 Hi, I'm looking for any info on the COMLI protocal. It's an european thing as far as I can tell. Any help would sure be appreciated. Phillip Hollett phollet@larcan.com ps: I know this doesn't have much to do with Kermit but hey don't Kermit user know everything :) -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 31 14:45:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17689 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08643 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:45:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.idt.net!netnews.com!news2.euro.net!news3.euro.net!usenet From: "Denis Liégeois" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit and Unix Lynx and Greek ELOT 928 Fonts Date: 31 Mar 1998 17:22:53 GMT Organization: EuroNet Internet Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6fr8pd$8li@news3.euro.net> References: <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> <6fit44$dir$1@medousa.forthnet.gr> <6fmckg$iqk@news3.euro.net> <6fnr91$si4@enews4.newsguy.com> <6foehu$s6c$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6fqdnv$4n4@enews1.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: i011.bru.euronet.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8578 soc.culture.greek:127442 >Right - that's what I'm looking for - the Greek Code Page that matches >the character set used in web pages, newsgroups and e-mail from Greece. That is to say you want codepage 1253 or ISO-8859-7 under MS-DOS. I dont think you'll find them. Under MS-DOS, the system codepage, the console codepage and the keyboard codepage are supposed to match or, at least, not to be incompatible. Since you can't specify cp 1253 in your "country" command in "config.sys", cp 1253 shouldn't be allowed, even if there is a cpi file containing it. The only solution I see would be to "fool" the system, loading a pseudo-737 cpi file. As a result, all system operations except viewing the web would become a mess, of course: first of all, filenames wouldn't appear correctly! If you send me a copy of gauss.cpi, I might be able to determine which codepages it contains (declares): I have an old version of "the Microsoft MS-DOS programmer's reference guide" (in french!) which gives a full technical description of the internal structure of .cpi files (until MS-DOS 5, but this must be ok). Theoretically, it would also be possible to... cut and paste character bitmaps until we get a pseudo-737 cpi file (in reality, 1253). But again, any other solution would be better, of course. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 31 14:48:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18304 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08811 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:48:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!news2.voicenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Subject: 220/320 terminfo Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 7 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:33:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:33:44 EST Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8579 I thought there might be some terminfo files at the columbia ftp site but I didn't see any. vt220/320 descriptions that would use the kermit vt emulators to the best advantage. Thanks From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 31 22:14:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09591 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA02350 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:14:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Denis Liegeois" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,grk.forthnet.users,soc.culture.greek Subject: Re: Denis Ligeois Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:31:09 +0200 Organization: World Council of Hellenes Abroad Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6fosl9$2j7$1@odysseus.sae.gr> References: <6ffqi5$5tb@enews4.newsguy.com> <6fggso$l3r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6fh6l5$1du@news3.euro.net> <6fit44$dir$1@medousa.forthnet.gr> <6fmckg$iqk@news3.euro.net> <351F9AF2.791F90EA@geocities.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: i237.bru.euronet.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!newshub.csu.net!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news.corp.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.planetc.com!news-ath.forthnet.gr!news-the.forthnet.gr!odysseus.sae.gr!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8580 soc.culture.greek:127478 >Denis....äïêßìáóå ôï news.sae.gr .... ôï ÷ñçóéìïðïéþ áð'ôï óðßôé êáé Ý÷åé >ðïëëÜ åëëçíéêÜ newsgroups. 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From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 1 16:53:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29624 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21419 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:53:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!194.51.3.225!rain.fr!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit with Windows 95 Date: 1 Apr 1998 13:40:22 GMT Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bd5d73$df5a4820$56b1fcc1@ldvclwrm> NNTP-Posting-Host: pau3-86.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8581 I use kermit 3.14 to connect to a remote server, using the TCP/IP protocol. I use succesfully the dispkt packet driver to configure Windows3.1 and Windows 3.11 for Wgroups. How can I configure Windows 95 to use Kermit in the same way ? (note : I don't want to use Kermit 95). From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 2 18:07:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16752 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:07:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA09131 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:07:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub1.wanet.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!wnfeed!worldnet.att.net!207.172.3.49!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.147.221.37!news.xnet.com!newsgate.mot.com!newshost.mot.com!news-in.cig.mot.com!news.ecid.cig.mot.com!news From: "Robert Cornell" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 and Psion 5 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:29:41 +0100 Organization: Motorola Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6fr3nl$ag71@wagtail.ecid.cig.mot.com> References: <6f8lgl$7091@wagtail.ecid.cig.mot.com> <6fb9cb$qji$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc0617.ecid.cig.mot.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8585 If you read my post very carefully you will notice an (x/y) after k95, x-modem/ y-modem, sorry. I tried modifying just about every perameter and couldn't get them to talk! I used HyperTerminal as my friend had successfully transferred files with it before. Regards Robert Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6fb9cb$qji$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <6f8lgl$7091@wagtail.ecid.cig.mot.com>, >Robert Cornell wrote: >: I'm having some problems getting k95 (x/y) to successfully transfer files to >: a friends Psion 5. If anyone has achieved this was it straight forward and >: how did you do it? >: >This is the first time I have heard that there was a Kermit implementation >for the Psion 5. Or is there? What protocol are you using and what trouble >are you having? > >- Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 2 23:17:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00639 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA25615 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:16:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.69.200.121!news.mindspring.com!usenet From: jabr@mindspring.com (John Brnich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: sco xenix 486 kermit Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 04:07:08 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <12d423c6.692809@news.mindspring.com> Reply-To: jabr@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37kbtvs.dialup.mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 3 Apr 1998 04:05:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8586 Is there a compiled kermit for sco xenix 486 available.? I have the c-kermit 6.0.192 cd but can only find versions for 286 & 386. Thanks for the help! JB From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 3 03:40:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA25240 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 03:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA07757 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 03:39:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net From: fun@singleboysngirls.com (Advertisement) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Single? Date: 3 Apr 1998 08:09:32 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 1 Message-ID: <6g25fs$fcq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.70 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8587 http://www.sdaworld.com/atlantis/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 3 08:16:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16834 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA11001 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:16:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!paralynx!news.mindlink.net!paralynx-2!paralynx!paralynx-4!van-bc!paralynx!paralynx-1!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.227.0.16!news.gate.net!deltac From: deltac@localhost.localdomain (Delta Charley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit and Linux Red Hat 5.0 Date: 3 Apr 1998 12:55:20 GMT Organization: Only during blue moon ;-) Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <891205191snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: deltac@gate.net NNTP-Posting-Host: orlfl2-11.gate.net X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8588 On Sun, 29 Mar 98 20:59:51 GMT, Michael Bernardi wrote: >I've just upgraded RedHat Linux to version 5.0. However when trying to >compile, a large number of error messages were produced. These all >appear to be in ckutio.c at lines 4679, 4685, 4833, 6092. > >I'm new both to unix and to gcc though I can compile using make:). > >Has anyone else managed to compile Kertmit under RedHat 5.0? If so are >there any instructions, (ie patches) and should these be added to the >FAQ? > >Mike >-- >"Linux, WinNT and MS-DOS. The Good, The Bad and The Ugly" > Hi, I had problems trying to compile version 6.192 and decided to try the beta version 6.193 and it compiled without errors on my R.H. 5.0 box using the Linux entry in the makefile (make linux). ftp kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar I hope this helps, -- -- Dale Coleman (alias Delta Charley) e-mail: deltac@gate.net My page: http://www.gate.net/~deltac/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 3 08:36:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA20275 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA12023 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:36:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!fastnet!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!newsfeeds.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <6g25fs$fcq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Control: cancel <6g25fs$fcq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Date: 03 Apr 1998 08:09:41 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: fun@singleboysngirls.com (Advertisement) Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!wnfeed!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net X-Original-Subject: Single? X-Original-Date: 3 Apr 1998 08:09:32 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.70 X-Original-From: fun@singleboysngirls.com (Advertisement) X-CosmoTraq: 61(ERBM*N2K`I@0Z_&.FXPK^#LL,9`IP/R+#!$1L+*XS?C+- Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03555 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17130 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:16:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: sco xenix 486 kermit Date: 3 Apr 1998 15:15:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6g2uff$ons$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <12d423c6.692809@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8589 comp.unix.sco.misc:64318 In article <12d423c6.692809@news.mindspring.com>, John Brnich wrote: : Is there a compiled kermit for sco xenix 486 available.? I have the : c-kermit 6.0.192 cd but can only find versions for 286 & 386. : What you have on the CD is what we have. The 386 version should work on a 486. Did you try it? Of course, you are also welcome to build it from source code on your 486 if you have a development system (C compiler, header files, libraries, "make" program). If you have any trouble with either of these suggestions, please send details to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 3 22:30:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA16176 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 22:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA25131 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 22:30:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: jabr@mindspring.com (John Brnich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: sco xenix 486 kermit Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 01:44:10 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <35259031.466746@news.mindspring.com> References: <12d423c6.692809@news.mindspring.com> <6g2uff$ons$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jabr@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37kbv7g.dialup.mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 4 Apr 1998 01:42:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8590 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <12d423c6.692809@news.mindspring.com>, >John Brnich wrote: >: Is there a compiled kermit for sco xenix 486 available.? I have the >: c-kermit 6.0.192 cd but can only find versions for 286 & 386. >: >What you have on the CD is what we have. The 386 version should work >on a 486. Did you try it? Of course, you are also welcome to build it >from source code on your 486 if you have a development system (C compiler, >header files, libraries, "make" program). > >If you have any trouble with either of these suggestions, please send details >to kermit-support@columbia.edu. > >- Frank Thanks for the info. I did try and it seems to work ok. If I have no further problems, I will continue to use as is. Thanks for the help! JB From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Apr 5 16:46:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18665 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28609 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:46:05 -0400 (EDT) From: mike@dendarii.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit and Linux Red Hat 5.0 Date: Sun, 05 Apr 98 19:00:04 GMT Organization: Miles' Minions Message-ID: <891802804snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> References: <891205191snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-Mail2News-User: mike@dendarii.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: dendarii.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 891805931 16460 mike dendarii.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 20 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!paralynx!news.mindlink.net!paralynx-2!paralynx!paralynx-1!news.vphos.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!dendarii.demon.co.uk!mike Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8592 In article deltac@gate.net "Delta Charley" writes: > On Sun, 29 Mar 98 20:59:51 GMT, Michael Bernardi > wrote: > >I've just upgraded RedHat Linux to version 5.0. However when trying to > >compile, a large number of error messages were produced. These all > >appear to be in ckutio.c at lines 4679, 4685, 4833, 6092. > > Hi, I had problems trying to compile version 6.192 and decided > to try the beta version 6.193 and it compiled without errors > on my R.H. 5.0 box using the Linux entry in the makefile (make linux). I've just tried this, and version 193 beta02 compiled with no errors. Now I have to hope there are no undiscovered bugs;-). Mike -- Unix IS user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Apr 5 20:25:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA29017 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA10143 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!ubnnews.unisource.ch!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail From: "Thomas F. Howald" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS Data Files Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 21:12:30 +0200 Organization: Garage Otto Howald AG, Solothurn Switzerland Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3527D79D.BEE6F672@bluewin.ch> Reply-To: howag@bluewin.ch NNTP-Posting-Host: sol14pub120.bluewin.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8593 Hi I have always wondered if it would be possible to back up just the changed or new data of big (over hundered Megabytes) files with Kermit? Something like: $Kermit -s "only what is new in this huge file, to the same other huge file in a far away computer just to make this remote file updated to the originating file". The file type is indexed,prolog 1, using 2 keys in 3 areas, variable length, maximum 250 bytes, carriage return,carriage control. What I intend to do is a cheap off site backup. Thanks for any help or comments. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ T.F. Howald |It's difficult to soar with eagles,|Ph:+41 32 686 61 86 Otto Howald AG | when you work with turkeys. |CompuServe 100115,2076 Engestrasse 13, 4500 Solothurn, Switzerland | howag@bluewin.ch From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Apr 5 20:37:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02851 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA10765 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS Data Files Date: 6 Apr 1998 00:37:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6g983k$8im$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3527D79D.BEE6F672@bluewin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8594 In article <3527D79D.BEE6F672@bluewin.ch>, Thomas F. Howald wrote: : I have always wondered if it would be possible to back up just the : changed or new data of big (over hundered Megabytes) files with Kermit? : No, sorry. You can back up *whole files* that have changed (read about SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE in the manual), but not pieces of files. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Apr 6 22:49:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08777 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA22534 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Ross Irvine Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Msdos Kermit & Windows 95 DOS prompt. Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:49:50 +1000 Organization: Victorian BreastScreen Registry Lines: 71 Message-ID: <3529944E.1ACDB07A@netlink.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: kermit.netlink.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Cache-Post-Path: kermit.netlink.com.au!unknown@dl292.mel.netlink.com.au Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8595 Hello All, I have a situation where at some of my remote sites I use ms dos kermit 3.15 to transfere some files overnight. The PC's reboot into windows 95 command prompt only (eg no windows GUI) to run Kermit. I have to use kermit for dos as kermit95 (which I also have) will not run in the command prompt mode as it's not a 32bit environment. My problem is setting the com port in DOS. Here's an example of what happens : ** START EXAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit: 3.15 15 Sept 1997 patch level 1 Executing F:\MIS\ISDN\REGISTRY\KERMIT\MSKERMIT.PCH... Installing patches... MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Initialization File... Dialing directory "F:\MIS\ISDN\REGISTRY\KERMIT\DIALUPS.TXT" not found. ?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1 Unimplemented speed ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports Smile! [F:\MIS\ISDN\REGISTRY\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>quit Bye! F:\MIS\ISDN\REGISTRY\KERMIT>kermit IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.15 15 Sept 1997 Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1997. Type ? or HELP for help MS-DOS Kermit: 3.15 15 Sept 1997 patch level 1 Executing F:\MIS\ISDN\REGISTRY\KERMIT\MSKERMIT.PCH... Installing patches... MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Initialization File... Dialing directory "F:\MIS\ISDN\REGISTRY\KERMIT\DIALUPS.TXT" not found. Smile! [F:\MIS\ISDN\REGISTRY\KERMIT] MS-Kermit> ** END EXAMPLE The line it's dying on in the mscustom.ini files is: set port 1 As you can see, the first time I ran kermit it doesn't find the com port and sets the port to bios 1. I then exit kermit and reload it straight away (without rebooting or doing anything) and kermit finds the com port and works happily. My question is why? This is on an old Compaq Prolinea 5100 32Meg ram, nothing special, normal com port settings (irq,base addres etc). It also seems to happen on all the PC's I have access to. Regardless of if I run it from the windows 95 command mode or in a dos windows inside windows 95 gui it does the same thing. Kermit 316 Alpha 5 also does this. It just seems like sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I've tried, trying to capture the warning message on the set port 1 statement in the mscustom.ini, so I can just loop the set port 1 staement until it works. The problem with this is that the warning message is all that is returned from the set port command. It does not return FAILURE, so I can't "test" to see if it worked or not. Should I be using "set port com1" instead of "set port 1" is there any difference? If anyone has any ideas I would be greatfull. regards. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 7 06:17:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA20025 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 06:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA15305 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 06:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!ihug.co.nz!clear.net.nz!not-for-mail From: Chris Hermanns Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.0.l Protocol SPec Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 22:10:18 +1200 Organization: CLEAR Net, http://www.clear.net.nz/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3529FB89.F5816AB8@clear.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1-u7.palm.clear.net.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8596 Anybody, I am looking at Kermit 3.0.1 and need a protocol spec including type of compression, error correction and just what is going on in the frames - real nuts and bolts stuff. If any one can help (and I'm sure this is a easy one for some one out there) then please help a.s.a.p From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 7 10:52:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07316 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00272 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ais.net!news.dgsys.com!feeder.swcp.com!sloth.swcp.com!helios From: helios@swcp.com (Thomas David Nichols) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Msdos Kermit & Windows 95 DOS prompt. Date: 7 Apr 1998 14:32:33 GMT Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6gdde1$m1e$1@sloth.swcp.com> References: <3529944E.1ACDB07A@netlink.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: boofura.swcp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8597 Ross Irvine (rirvine@netlink.com.au) wrote: : As you can see, the first time I ran kermit it doesn't find the com port : and sets the port to bios 1. I then exit kermit and reload it straight : away (without rebooting or doing anything) and kermit finds the com port : and works happily. : It just seems like sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. : If anyone has any ideas I would be greatfull. This is how I check for a failure to set port 4 when I use MSKermit 3.14 within Windows 3.1. "Set port 4" has not yet failed on the second attempt. set com4 \x2e8 3 set port 4 ; Change if desired. If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR. if equal \v(port) Bios4 - echo {Trying "set port 4" again} if equal \v(port) Bios4 - sleep 2, set port 4 if equal \v(port) Bios4 - fatal {Try repeating TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI} -- Thomas David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems 1-505-298-4657 ISO 9000 Consulting Web page design Database programming helios@swcp.com http://www.swcp.com/~helios From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 7 13:12:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00174 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA07335 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.0.l Protocol SPec Date: 7 Apr 1998 17:12:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6gdmpm$j75$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3529FB89.F5816AB8@clear.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8598 In article <3529FB89.F5816AB8@clear.net.nz>, Chris Hermanns wrote: : I am looking at Kermit 3.0.1 and need a protocol spec including type of : compression, error correction and just what is going on in the frames - : real nuts and bolts stuff. : : If any one can help (and I'm sure this is a easy one for some one out : there) then please help a.s.a.p : Visit the Kermit Project website to find all the information about current Kermit software versions (MS-DOS Kermit 3.01 is quite ancient) and documentation: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ or: http://www.kermit-project.org/ - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 7 20:45:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02368 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA01265 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Ross Irvine Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Msdos Kermit & Windows 95 DOS prompt. Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:45:33 +1000 Organization: Victorian BreastScreen Registry Lines: 12 Message-ID: <352AC8AD.95BA4CE8@netlink.com.au> References: <3529944E.1ACDB07A@netlink.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: kermit.netlink.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Cache-Post-Path: kermit.netlink.com.au!unknown@dl009.netlink.com.au Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8599 Joe Doupnik wrote: > MS-DOS Kermit is telling the truth. Your serial port is not responding > as a real serial port when MSK tests it. This could be from IRQ conflicts, > or devices overlapping the Port address range of the serial port, or the > hardware comes up uninitialized and requires coaxing to speak clearly. > SET PORT 1 is identical to SET PORT COM1. That what I originally thought, but I can run kermit again without doing a thing and it works. There is no device conflict for com1. Very strange! Regards.. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 7 21:32:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07831 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA03341 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Ross Irvine Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Msdos Kermit & Windows 95 DOS prompt. Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:31:57 +1000 Organization: Victorian BreastScreen Registry Lines: 18 Message-ID: <352AD38D.70E87DE@netlink.com.au> References: <3529944E.1ACDB07A@netlink.com.au> <6gdde1$m1e$1@sloth.swcp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kermit.netlink.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: Thomas David Nichols Cache-Post-Path: kermit.netlink.com.au!unknown@dl009.netlink.com.au Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8600 Thomas David Nichols wrote: > > This is how I check for a failure to set port 4 when I use MSKermit 3.14 > within Windows 3.1. "Set port 4" has not yet failed on the second attempt. > > set com4 \x2e8 3 > set port 4 ; Change if desired. If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR. > if equal \v(port) Bios4 - > echo {Trying "set port 4" again} > if equal \v(port) Bios4 - > sleep 2, set port 4 > if equal \v(port) Bios4 - > fatal {Try repeating TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI} This works perfectly. Many thanks Thomas. Obviously it must be some strange kermit problem. Regards.. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 8 02:58:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA26893 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 02:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA18232 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 02:58:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sven Joensson" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: TTYHOG OVER-RUN on AIX 4.2 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:37:05 +0200 Organization: Enator Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6gf5vo$snl$1@news1.enator.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.176.147.97 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!paralynx!news.mindlink.net!paralynx-2!paralynx!paralynx-1!news.vphos.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!193.14.145.207.MISMATCH!dummy!seunet!news2.swip.net!newsfeed.enator.se!news Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8601 When I send files from Kermit95 to C-Kermit 6.0.192 running on AIX 4.2, using TCP/IP, I get the error message TYHOG OVER-RUN in errpt. The transfer is slow and givs a lot of errors, but the file is transferd OK. If I use SET TRANSFER MODE MANUAL SET SEND PACK 1500 SET WIN 2 then the transfer is faster and no errors. When I get files from C-kermit to Kermit95 the transfer is much faster and ther is no errors. Is there something I can change in the configuration of Kermit or AIX to get maximum transfer rate without having to do manual settings? Regards /Sven Joensson From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 8 09:02:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15367 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26216 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: TTYHOG OVER-RUN on AIX 4.2 Date: 8 Apr 1998 13:02:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6gfsh3$jko$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6gf5vo$snl$1@news1.enator.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8602 In article <6gf5vo$snl$1@news1.enator.se>, Sven Joensson wrote: : When I send files from Kermit95 to C-Kermit 6.0.192 running on AIX : 4.2, using TCP/IP, I get the error message TYHOG OVER-RUN in errpt. : That is not a message from Kermit. : The transfer is slow and givs a lot of errors, but the file is transferd OK. : : If I use : SET TRANSFER MODE MANUAL : SET SEND PACK 1500 : SET WIN 2 : then the transfer is faster and no errors. : : When I get files from C-kermit to Kermit95 the transfer is much faster : and ther is no errors. : : Is there something I can change in the configuration of Kermit or AIX : to get maximum transfer rate without having to do manual settings? : Read Chapter 12 of "Using C-Kermit", High Speed Kermit File Transfer. But as you have discovered, connections are not necessarily symmetrical. They can go fast in one direction, but not in the other. They can be transparent one direction but not the other, etc. Kermit gives you all the tools you need to adjust to any connection and to achieve the maximum performance the connection allows. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 8 09:45:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23616 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28359 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!209.90.0.8!alpha.sky.net!newshub.cts.com!newshub.nosc.mil!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Msdos Kermit & Windows 95 DOS prompt. Message-ID: Date: 7 Apr 98 10:17:01 MDT References: <3529944E.1ACDB07A@netlink.com.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 79 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8603 In article <3529944E.1ACDB07A@netlink.com.au>, Ross Irvine writes: > Hello All, > I have a situation where at some of my remote sites I use > ms dos kermit 3.15 to transfere some files overnight. > > The PC's reboot into windows 95 command prompt only (eg no windows GUI) > to run Kermit. I have to use kermit for dos as kermit95 (which I also > have) will not run in the command prompt mode as it's not a 32bit > environment. > > My problem is setting the com port in DOS. Here's an example of what > happens : > > ** START EXAMPLE > MS-DOS Kermit: 3.15 15 Sept 1997 patch level 1 > Executing F:\MIS\ISDN\REGISTRY\KERMIT\MSKERMIT.PCH... > Installing patches... > > MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Initialization File... > Dialing directory "F:\MIS\ISDN\REGISTRY\KERMIT\DIALUPS.TXT" not found. > ?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS1 > Unimplemented speed > ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports > Smile! > [F:\MIS\ISDN\REGISTRY\KERMIT] MS-Kermit>quit > Bye! > F:\MIS\ISDN\REGISTRY\KERMIT>kermit > IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.15 15 Sept 1997 > Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1997. > > Type ? or HELP for help > MS-DOS Kermit: 3.15 15 Sept 1997 patch level 1 > Executing F:\MIS\ISDN\REGISTRY\KERMIT\MSKERMIT.PCH... > Installing patches... > > MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Initialization File... > Dialing directory "F:\MIS\ISDN\REGISTRY\KERMIT\DIALUPS.TXT" not found. > Smile! > [F:\MIS\ISDN\REGISTRY\KERMIT] MS-Kermit> > > ** END EXAMPLE > > The line it's dying on in the mscustom.ini files is: > set port 1 > > As you can see, the first time I ran kermit it doesn't find the com port > and sets the port to bios 1. I then exit kermit and reload it straight > away (without rebooting or doing anything) and kermit finds the com port > and works happily. > > My question is why? This is on an old Compaq Prolinea 5100 32Meg ram, > nothing special, normal com port settings (irq,base addres etc). It also > seems to happen on all the PC's I have access to. > > Regardless of if I run it from the windows 95 command mode or in a dos > windows inside windows 95 gui it does the same thing. Kermit 316 Alpha 5 > also does this. > > It just seems like sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. > > I've tried, trying to capture the warning message on the set port 1 > statement in the mscustom.ini, so I can just loop the set port 1 > staement until it works. The problem with this is that the warning > message is all that is returned from the set port command. It does not > return FAILURE, so I can't "test" to see if it worked or not. > > Should I be using "set port com1" instead of "set port 1" is there any > difference? > > If anyone has any ideas I would be greatfull. > > regards. -------- MS-DOS Kermit is telling the truth. Your serial port is not responding as a real serial port when MSK tests it. This could be from IRQ conflicts, or devices overlapping the Port address range of the serial port, or the hardware comes up uninitialized and requires coaxing to speak clearly. SET PORT 1 is identical to SET PORT COM1. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 8 14:04:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16784 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12406 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!chicago-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!sanjose-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@97.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Msdos Kermit & Windows 95 DOS prompt. Date: 8 Apr 1998 18:00:16 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6ggdvg$flt$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <3529944E.1ACDB07A@netlink.com.au> <6ge8pf$gg8$1@samba.rahul.net> <352AC93C.C9F1F9C@netlink.com.au> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8604 Ross Irvine (rirvine@netlink.com.au) wrote: : All happy. Just kermit isn't. I'll have to check what a show com reports : before and after. Like I said, the strange thing is I can just re-run : kermit, or re-enter "set port 1" and everything is fine... Being able to re-run is a known indicator of a non-standard Comm setting. Running the second time uses some CMOS widgets that get tickled by the first run. Some folks use the program DSD.EXE, available from Datastorm's web site to load these values in Autoexec, although I haven't tried that on Win95. Others put the proper non-standard initialization into a kermit script, as posted elsewhere in this thread. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 8 16:30:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15465 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19729 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.16 Date: 8 Apr 1998 20:30:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6ggmog$6ur$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8605 Kermit 95 1.1.16 is now available as a patch to earlier versions. The full announcement appears on: comp.protocols.kermit.misc The 1.1.16 upgrade patch can be found at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 8 17:27:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26642 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA22628 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 1.1.16, One More Time Date: 8 Apr 1998 21:27:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6ggq3h$9dq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8606 The full announcement, of course, appears on: comp.protocols.kermit.announce not: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Anyway, as an added bonus, here is the short list of highlights of the new release: . Kerberos(TM) and SRP(TM) authentication for Telnet connections. . DES and CAST encrypted Telnet connections (requires additional patch). . Faster echoing in the Terminal screen. . Works better with speech and Braille devices. . Linux Console emulation added. . File transfer and terminal emulation performance improvements. . Transfer of directory trees. . Automatic per-file text/binary transfer-mode switching. . Improved performance with Winframe / Winterm. For details, see the full announcement or the Kermit 95 Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 8 18:36:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12230 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA26432 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!Cabal.CESspool!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Donald N. Dally" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Trouble Transferring Binary Files : Repost Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:33:55 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 47 Message-ID: <6ggu0n$oar@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: atl-ga14-09.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Apr 08 5:33:59 PM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8607 Hello, I have been working on a project which requires me to transfer files from a SCO Unix box to a QNX 2.x/3.x box. When I use Kermit to transfer binary files from the QNX box to the Unix Box and vice versa, the file is damaged and can not be executed. I have reset the executable permissions/attributes on the QNX box one I am done with the transfer, however I get the OS error "Bad Load File." I have tried both binary and ascii file transfers, but neither has worked succesfully. The file size at the beginning of my transfer process is 159 blocks, and at the end is 156 blocks. The QNX box is running Kermit v2.03. Here is the command line syntax: KERMIT V2.03 use: kermit [device] SEnd [options]* src_file[,dst_file] [x=index_file] ... or kermit [device] REceive [options]* [p=prefix] [f=forced_filename] options: -make_dir +Qterm +relaxed_timing +verbose -verbose D=debug_file -ers -q_8bit=ON|ENABLE|DISABLE -q_rpt=ON|OFF s=setup_file +binary +unique The SCO Unix (OS 3) box is running Kermit v6.0.192 in interactive mode. The connection is being made as follows: From a SCO Unix box I telnet to a remote SCO Unix box (both OS3). On the remote SCO Unix box I open an asynchronous "cu" connection to the QNX box. I then initiate the command "kermit se +binary myfile.exe" on the QNX box. Dropping back to the local SCO box using "ctrl-\ c" I type "set file type binary" followed by "receive myfile.txt." The file transfer seems to go as expected, however when I do the reverse and put the file back on a QNX box, I get the error described above. My question is simply what could be causing the files to changed during transfer and how can I prevent it. I suspect that compression may be the culprit, but am not sure. I do not have any problems transferring ascii files back and forth. Any assistance with this issue is greatly appreciated. **************************************** Donald N. Dally ddally@voice-tel.com Manager, Systems Integration Voice-Tel (a Premiere Technologies Company) (216) 595-5594 Office (216) 595-5043 Voice-Tel/Fax From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 8 18:53:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15189 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA27284 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.qnx Subject: Re: Trouble Transferring Binary Files : Repost Date: 8 Apr 1998 22:53:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6ggv4v$cj5$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ggu0n$oar@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8608 comp.os.qnx:18648 In article <6ggu0n$oar@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, Donald N. Dally wrote: : I have been working on a project which requires me to transfer files from a : SCO Unix box to a QNX 2.x/3.x box. When I use Kermit to transfer binary : files from the QNX box to the Unix Box and vice versa, the file is damaged : and can not be executed. I have reset the executable permissions/attributes : on the QNX box one I am done with the transfer, however I get the OS error : "Bad Load File." I have tried both binary and ascii file transfers, but : neither has worked succesfully. The file size at the beginning of my : transfer process is 159 blocks, and at the end is 156 blocks. : : The QNX box is running Kermit v2.03. Here is the command line syntax: : KERMIT V2.03 : Unfortunately, The Kermit Project knows nothing about this Kermit version. We have a fully functional up-to-date Kermit program for QNX 4.2x (C-Kermit 6.0 in fact), but this one is an unknown quantity. : My question is simply what could be causing the files to changed during : transfer and how can I prevent it. I suspect that compression may be the : culprit, but am not sure. I do not have any problems transferring ascii : files back and forth. Any assistance with this issue is greatly : appreciated. : I hope somebody in the QNX newsgroup can answer your question. I'm cross- posting this answer there. Sorry, I wish I could be more helpful. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 8 22:55:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA20091 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA09485 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-xfer.netaxs.com!newsfeed.wli.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail From: "den" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: timeout on k95 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:30:10 -0700 Organization: Verio Northern California's Usenet News Service Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6ggtct$7me$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-206-99-119-137.psln.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8609 I am using K95 as a terminal emulatior (vt320) to a VMS 7.1 Alpha machine. I have things working pretty well except for a time out problem. Every 20 seconds, if I don't touch a key, Kermit logs me out of the system. It is not the Alpha machine logging me out because I can use another term emulation program and it does not have this problem. I have read "Using C Kermit" and the Kermit 95 booklet and have tried everything I can find having to do with timing, but to no avail. Does anyone have any suggestions. Dennis From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 9 01:02:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA08246 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA14699 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: timeout on k95 Followup-To: poster Date: 9 Apr 1998 05:02:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6ghkor$p3m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ggtct$7me$1@news.ncal.verio.com> Reply-To: kermit-support@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8610 In article <6ggtct$7me$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, den wrote: : I am using K95 as a terminal emulatior (vt320) to a VMS 7.1 Alpha machine. : I have things working pretty well except for a time out problem. Every 20 : seconds, if I don't touch a key, Kermit logs me out of the system. It is : not the Alpha machine logging me out because I can use another term : emulation program and it does not have this problem. I have read "Using C : Kermit" and the Kermit 95 booklet and have tried everything I can find : having to do with timing, but to no avail. : This would indeed be very odd. Please send e-mail to kermit-support@columbia.edu detailing the following: Version of K95 How are you connected to the VMS system? (serial, dialup, tcp/ip, superlat, pathworks lat or cterm, ipx, ...) can you send us a debug.log containing the connection and the disconnect. You might also try downloading the latest patch to 1.1.16 and see if you still have the problem. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 9 02:44:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA27294 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA19584 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-hh.maz.net!news.shlink.de!not-for-mail From: Uwe Wannags Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.qnx Subject: Re: Trouble Transferring Binary Files : Repost Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 08:22:18 +0200 Organization: SWD(SW Datentechnik GmbH)QNX+EMPRESS Germany Lines: 86 Message-ID: <352C691A.29FEEE51@swd.de> References: <6ggu0n$oar@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <6ggv4v$cj5$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.swd.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------27E9CE4515E89EFB33C94E3F" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8611 comp.os.qnx:18651 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------27E9CE4515E89EFB33C94E3F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article <6ggu0n$oar@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, > Donald N. Dally wrote: > : I have been working on a project which requires me to transfer files from a > : SCO Unix box to a QNX 2.x/3.x box. When I use Kermit to transfer binary > : files from the QNX box to the Unix Box and vice versa, the file is damaged > : and can not be executed. I have reset the executable permissions/attributes > : on the QNX box one I am done with the transfer, however I get the OS error > : "Bad Load File." I have tried both binary and ascii file transfers, but > : neither has worked succesfully. The file size at the beginning of my > : transfer process is 159 blocks, and at the end is 156 blocks. > : > : The QNX box is running Kermit v2.03. Here is the command line syntax: > : KERMIT V2.03 > : > Unfortunately, The Kermit Project knows nothing about this Kermit version. > We have a fully functional up-to-date Kermit program for QNX 4.2x (C-Kermit > 6.0 in fact), but this one is an unknown quantity. > > : My question is simply what could be causing the files to changed during > : transfer and how can I prevent it. I suspect that compression may be the > : culprit, but am not sure. I do not have any problems transferring ascii > : files back and forth. Any assistance with this issue is greatly > : appreciated. > : > I hope somebody in the QNX newsgroup can answer your question. I'm cross- > posting this answer there. > > Sorry, I wish I could be more helpful. > > - Frank -- to: from:Uwe Wannags SWD (SW Datentechnik GmbH) re: ----------------------------------------------------------- Our QNX2 TCP/IP solution will provide what you need. 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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:47:56 +1000 Organization: Victorian BreastScreen Registry Lines: 24 Message-ID: <352AC93C.C9F1F9C@netlink.com.au> References: <3529944E.1ACDB07A@netlink.com.au> <6ge8pf$gg8$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kermit.netlink.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Cache-Post-Path: kermit.netlink.com.au!unknown@dl009.netlink.com.au Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8612 >old@97.usenet.us.com wrote: > > Kermit 3.15 runs fine from a DOS window under Win95, for accessing serial > ports, so I'm not sure why you are going to a strictly DOS mode. These PC's are at remote sites, and they are setup for overnight procedures that need to be run from dos (backing up systems, running various jobs etc). > The DOS error message you're getting sounds like you might have a Winmodem > that needs windows drivers to play right. Nope.. It's actaully a normal serial port that is connected to an external ISDN TA. > What does "show comm" show? I would run it three times, before selecting > port, after the unsuccessful set, and after the successful set. > You say the port is at "standard" IRQ and address. What are they? > Does the DOS view agree with My-Computer,Properties,ports? All happy. Just kermit isn't. I'll have to check what a show com reports before and after. Like I said, the strange thing is I can just re-run kermit, or re-enter "set port 1" and everything is fine... Regards.. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 9 09:13:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26716 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA10495 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!207.20.0.50!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@27.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: TTYHOG OVER-RUN on AIX 4.2 Date: 8 Apr 1998 18:07:11 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6ggecf$foa$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <6gf5vo$snl$1@news1.enator.se> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8613 Sven Joensson (Sven.Jonsson@NOSPAM.enator.se) wrote: : When I send files from Kermit95 to C-Kermit 6.0.192 running on AIX : 4.2, using : TCP/IP, I get the error message TYHOG OVER-RUN in errpt. The transfer : is slow and : givs a lot of errors, but the file is transferd OK. Darn. I fixed a TTYHOG error in a previous life as a Unix kernel support engineer... Can't remember what it was, though. I had an early RS6000 as a test bed for my SVR4 comm, but I can't remember whether the bug was seen with regards to the IBM. I recall that it had to do with a gross disparity in speed between the two boxes. In my case, I think it was a Pentium verses a 286, and had nothing to do with Kermit. .... More fog is clearing. It also had to do with (this was a long time ago) a 32bit ether card in one box and an 8bit card in the other box, and it could be "fixed" by adjusting packet sizes, I believe MTU is the tuneable on the AIX side. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 9 09:29:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29300 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA11232 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: timeout on k95 Date: 9 Apr 1998 13:29:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6giigg$9ot$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ggtct$7me$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8614 In article <6ggtct$7me$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, den wrote: : I am using K95 as a terminal emulatior (vt320) to a VMS 7.1 Alpha machine. : I have things working pretty well except for a time out problem. Every 20 : seconds, if I don't touch a key, Kermit logs me out of the system. : Kermit doesn't log you out of anything. Your system logs you out because you were idle. Many systems have this property. : It is : not the Alpha machine logging me out because I can use another term : emulation program and it does not have this problem. : Kermit is not logging you out, really. Maybe the other program has been configured to send something periodically when you are idle. You can configure K95 to do that too. : I have read "Using C : Kermit" and the Kermit 95 booklet and have tried everything I can find : having to do with timing, but to no avail. : Use K95's SET TERMINAL IDLE , for example: SET TERMINAL IDLE 600 { } This sends a space if you have not typed anything for 10 minutes. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 9 11:39:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28122 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18372 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!reader1.cleveland.iagnet.net!not-for-mail From: "Donald Dally" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Trouble Transerring Binary Files Lines: 44 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 13:17:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: nat-244.voice-tel.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 06:17:22 PST Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8615 Hello, I have been working on a project which requires me to transfer files from a SCO Unix box to a QNX 2.x/3.x box. When I use Kermit to transfer binary files from the QNX box to the Unix Box and vice versa, the file is damaged and can not be executed. I have reset the executable permissions/attributes on the QNX box one I am done with the transfer, however I get the OS error "Bad Load File." I have tried both binary and ascii file transfers, but neither has worked succesfully. The file size at the beginning of my transfer process is 159 blocks, and at the end is 156 blocks. The QNX box is running Kermit v2.03. Here is the command line syntax: KERMIT V2.03 use: kermit [device] SEnd [options]* src_file[,dst_file] [x=index_file] ... or kermit [device] REceive [options]* [p=prefix] [f=forced_filename] options: -make_dir +Qterm +relaxed_timing +verbose -verbose D=debug_file -ers -q_8bit=ON|ENABLE|DISABLE -q_rpt=ON|OFF s=setup_file +binary +unique The SCO Unix (OS 3) box is running Kermit v6.0.192 in interactive mode. The connection is being made as follows: From a SCO Unix box I telnet to a remote SCO Unix box (both OS3). On the remote SCO Unix box I open an asynchronous "cu" connection to the QNX box. I then initiate the command "kermit se +binary myfile.exe" on the QNX box. Dropping back to the local SCO box using "ctrl-\ c" I type "set file type binary" followed by "receive myfile.txt." The file transfer seems to go as expected, however when I do the reverse and put the file back on a QNX box, I get the error described above. My question is simply what could be causing the files to changed during transfer and how can I prevent it. I suspect that compression may be the culprit, but am not sure. I do not have any problems transferring ascii files back and forth. Any assistance with this issue is greatly appreciated. **************************************** Donald N. Dally Manager, Systems Integration Voice-Tel (a Premiere Technologies Company) (216) 595-5594 Office (216) 595-5043 Voice-Tel/Fax From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 9 11:50:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00137 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18984 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Trouble Transerring Binary Files Date: 9 Apr 1998 15:50:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6giqnn$epq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8616 In article , Donald Dally wrote: : I have been working on a project which requires me to transfer files from a : SCO Unix box to a QNX 2.x/3.x box... : This same query was posted yesterday, and was responded to the same day. If you have not seen the response, then please send email to: kermit-support@columbia.edu and we'll send it to you direct. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 10 18:09:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20632 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA08929 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.pagesat.net!news.he.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!world!wpns From: wpns@world.std.com (William Smith) Subject: Re: K95 1.1.16, One More Time Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <6ggq3h$9dq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:06:51 GMT Lines: 13 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8617 Frank da Cruz wrote: >Anyway, as an added bonus, here is the short list of highlights >of the new release: > > . Kerberos(TM) and SRP(TM) authentication for Telnet connections. > . DES and CAST encrypted Telnet connections (requires additional patch). The rest of it is great, but following the links to the encryption bits merely gets you to http://www.cryptography.org/freecryp.htm, with no real clue as to where to go from there. -- Willie Smith wpns@world.std.com N1JBJ@amsat.org #define NII Information SuperCollider From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 10 18:18:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21634 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA09447 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 1.1.16, One More Time Date: 10 Apr 1998 22:18:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6gm5s6$9cg$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ggq3h$9dq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8618 In article , William Smith wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : >Anyway, as an added bonus, here is the short list of highlights : >of the new release: : > : > . Kerberos(TM) and SRP(TM) authentication for Telnet connections. : > . DES and CAST encrypted Telnet connections (requires additional patch). : : The rest of it is great, but following the links to the encryption : bits merely gets you to http://www.cryptography.org/freecryp.htm, with : no real clue as to where to go from there. If you answer the questions properly and are a resident of the US or Canada then you will be brought to a page containing the Kermit 95 encryption update. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 10 18:47:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26077 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA10981 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.5.0.44!nntp.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@04.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Trouble Transferring Binary Files : Repost Date: 9 Apr 1998 17:03:44 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6giv1g$511$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <6ggu0n$oar@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8619 Donald N. Dally (ddally@voice-tel.com) wrote: : The connection is being made as follows: From a SCO Unix box I telnet to a : remote SCO Unix box (both OS3). On the remote SCO Unix box I open an : asynchronous "cu" connection to the QNX box. I then initiate the command I wonder about the 8-bit transparency of the cu connection being used. Instead of using cu, you could copy the kermit program to the remote SCO box, and use it to make the serial connection. I am not surprised that this is not a suitable connection for binary transfer. You don't mention what version of SCO-kermit you are using. As Frank mentioned, you might do well to retrieve both the current version of SCO-kermit and QNX kermit Kermit is available on the Internet via anonymous ftp from host watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2] http://www.columbia.edu/kermit kermit/read.me kermit/bin/read.me explain file locations. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Apr 12 23:56:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA07498 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA20280 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Ross Irvine Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: So, is it a kermit bug? Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:55:06 +1000 Organization: Australian NetLink Lines: 15 Message-ID: <35318C9A.2C14E47E@netlink.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: kermit.netlink.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Cache-Post-Path: kermit.netlink.com.au!unknown@dl030.netlink.com.au Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8620 Hi All, So with my (and other people) problems with kermit for dos, not detecting the com port first run, but finds it fine after that. Is that now clasified as a bug? It seems to me to be clasifed as a bug. I understand you should use kermit 95, but if you have booted to dos, you can't. The BIOS on the PC's arn't moving the base/irq from the time you furst run kermit, to when you set the port again, or re-run kermit. Joe?? Regards.. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Apr 13 00:32:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA12859 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 00:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA21784 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 00:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: So, is it a kermit bug? Date: 13 Apr 1998 04:32:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6gs4gh$b6a$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35318C9A.2C14E47E@netlink.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8621 In article <35318C9A.2C14E47E@netlink.com.au>, Ross Irvine wrote: : Hi All, : So with my (and other people) problems with kermit for dos, not : detecting the com port first run, but finds it fine after that. Is that : now clasified as a bug? : Here is the test to see if it is a bug in MS-DOS Kermit or the environment in which it runs. . Run MS-DOS Kermit . If it does not find the port, exit MS-DOS Kermit . Run MS-DOS Kermit . If MSK finds the port, the bug is in the surrounding environment . If not, the bug is in MSK Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 14 03:18:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA04976 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA29560 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: karanr@bitsmart.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: meaning of kermit Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:38:37 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6gv09d$v0b$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.54.46.119 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 14 06:38:37 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8622 hi friend, could u please tell me the meaning of the word "kermit" and some information about it? -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 14 03:33:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA08646 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA00265 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!208.25.48.5!news.inreach.com!not-for-mail From: drepasky@inreach.com (Dick Repasky) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: translate CR only lines to NL only lines? Organization: Linux Users of the World Reply-To: d_repasky@inreach.com X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) Lines: 13 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 18:12:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-142-4-3.stk.inreach.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 11:12:39 PST Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8623 Is it possible to translate CR's to newline characters on incoming text to be either displayed on the screen or captured in a session-log file? I'm using C-kermit on a linux box to talk to a program on an apple newton. The Newton program sends its output with only CR's at the ends of lines. I've tried what seem to be all reasonable possibilities with "set terminal" with to no avail. Thanks, Dick -- Remove the underscore from my e-mail address to reply by mail. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 14 05:42:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA06056 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 05:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA06767 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 05:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed2.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!news.ibm.net.il!ibm.net!not-for-mail From: nlevy@usa.net.TO_EMAIL_REMOVE_THIS (Nir Levy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [pleaes help]Transferring Files Using Kermit and Modem only. Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:43:03 GMT Organization: (none) Lines: 22 Message-ID: <35332eb3.173254798@news.ibm.net.il> Reply-To: nlevy@usa.net.TO_EMAIL_REMOVE_THIS NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.115.231.149 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.ibm.net.il!ibm.net 892546893 20380 (none) 192.115.231.149 X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8624 Please help a clueless newbie! I need to transfer files from a Linux box to a Dos/Win95 box. I don't have internet access on either of the machines. I tought about using Kermit (and DosKermit) to trasfer files using modems (each box have it's modem) but I don't know how to do this. I tried reading but it tells me that I have to be at two places at the same time (it say I need to "send" on one machine and "recieve" on the other machine). Please let me know how to do this. (I would appriciate a copy via email). Nir Levy. -- Nir Levy, The above opinions are my own, nlevy @ usa.net not my employer's. -- I didn't do it; Nobody saw me do it; You can't prove anything; -Bart Simpson -- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 14 09:56:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02493 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20454 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: translate CR only lines to NL only lines? Date: 14 Apr 1998 13:56:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6gvptp$6pe$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8626 In article , Dick Repasky wrote: : : Is it possible to translate CR's to newline characters on incoming : text to be either displayed on the screen or captured in a session-log : file? : : I'm using C-kermit on a linux box to talk to a program on an apple newton. : The Newton program sends its output with only CR's at the ends of lines. : I've tried what seem to be all reasonable possibilities with "set : terminal" with to no avail. You cannot translate CRs to LFs, but you can add LFs. SET TERMINAL CR-DISPLAY { CRLF, NORMAL } to specify how incoming carriage return characters are to be displayed on your screen. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 14 16:11:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04096 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA11383 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!fastnet!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: lujmt@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit command line Date: 14 Apr 1998 15:12:50 -0400 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6h0cfi$1nuc@nss4.cc.Lehigh.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: nss4.cc.lehigh.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8627 Hi! Consider this: kermit def \%p abcd,tak myfile.ini Suppose I call kermit (MSDOS) from another program and that in the script myfile.ini my password ("abcd" in this example) is referenced via the %p variable. This works great but it seems that when I use this command line form I cannot ALT-X from the terminal emulator session back to the kermit prompt - it exits kermit completely. I am doing it this way because I don't want to store my password in a file. Does anyone know how to do this while still allowing the user to flip between his active session and the kermit prompt? Thanks! John M. Troiano Lehigh University From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 14 19:55:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA13299 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA23200 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!130.185.14.35!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!not-for-mail From: "Nollaig MacKenzie" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: meaning of kermit Date: Tue, 14 Apr 98 15:35:48 -0500 Organization: York University Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6gv09d$v0b$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: "Nollaig MacKenzie" NNTP-Posting-Host: londo15.slip.yorku.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: PMINews 1.02 Beta 1 For OS/2 Lines: 11 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8628 Visit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:38:37 -0600, karanr@bitsmart.com wrote: :>hi friend, :>could u please tell me the meaning of the word "kermit" and some information :>about it? Cheers, N. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 14 20:23:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA15956 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA24651 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail From: "den" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: timeout on k95 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:15:36 -0700 Organization: Verio Northern California's Usenet News Service Lines: 39 Message-ID: <6h0ul6$m1s$1@news.ncal.verio.com> References: <6ggtct$7me$1@news.ncal.verio.com> <6giigg$9ot$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-206-99-119-134.psln.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8629 I am sorry Frank, but it is not the system logging me out. I can use a different terminal emulation program and it can set there all day without being logged out. Only K95 cuts off. Dennis Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6giigg$9ot$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <6ggtct$7me$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, den wrote: >: I am using K95 as a terminal emulatior (vt320) to a VMS 7.1 Alpha machine. >: I have things working pretty well except for a time out problem. Every 20 >: seconds, if I don't touch a key, Kermit logs me out of the system. >: >Kermit doesn't log you out of anything. Your system logs you out because >you were idle. Many systems have this property. > >: It is >: not the Alpha machine logging me out because I can use another term >: emulation program and it does not have this problem. >: >Kermit is not logging you out, really. Maybe the other program has been >configured to send something periodically when you are idle. You can >configure K95 to do that too. > >: I have read "Using C >: Kermit" and the Kermit 95 booklet and have tried everything I can find >: having to do with timing, but to no avail. >: >Use K95's SET TERMINAL IDLE , for example: > > SET TERMINAL IDLE 600 { } > >This sends a space if you have not typed anything for 10 minutes. > >- Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 14 22:20:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29904 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA01052 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: timeout on k95 Date: 15 Apr 1998 02:20:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6h15ha$2c2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ggtct$7me$1@news.ncal.verio.com> <6giigg$9ot$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6h0ul6$m1s$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8630 In article <6h0ul6$m1s$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, den wrote: : I am sorry Frank, but it is not the system logging me out. I can use a : different terminal emulation program and it can set there all day without : being logged out. Only K95 cuts off. : Dennis: I examined the debug.log that you sent me and as I pointed out to you the TCP/IP stack is reporting ECONNRESET errors. This is a fatal socket error which means that your TCP/IP stack has received a packet or other data that it was not expecting. This usually means that more than one machine on your network is using the same IP address. A ECONNRESET error is fatal and Kermit 95 treats it that way. Kermit 95 is behaving correctly. If another package decides to ignore this error then it is leaving you open to having your terminal session hijacked or otherwise tampered with. The proper place to look is at your network. Do not blame Kermit 95 for this problem. - Jeff Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 15 15:06:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00279 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12227 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.clark.net!199.0.154.56!ais.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sonalysts.com!usenet From: "Michael C. Smith" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with Kermit95 Server Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:30:50 -0400 Organization: Sonalysts, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3534FCD9.6CD79301@sonalysts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sentinel.sonalysts.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8631 Hi, I am developing software that (among other things) performs automated file transfer between two companies and I am using Kermit95 as my communications package. Basically, each system sits idle until a connection is made from the other system, at which time the receiving system goes into server mode. Is there a way to detect (on the server side) failed or invalid login attempts to the Kermit server? Since the majority of connections will be automated, the companies involved want some form of notification if someone attempts to connect to the system using an invalid login/pwd. My only other option is to have the automated system send the login/pwd string twice: once for me script to verify and once for remote login to the Kermit server. Any help on this will be greatly appreciated. -MCS mcs@sonalysts.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 15 15:31:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05229 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA13478 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with Kermit95 Server Date: 15 Apr 1998 19:31:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6h31um$po3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3534FCD9.6CD79301@sonalysts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8632 In article <3534FCD9.6CD79301@sonalysts.com>, Michael C. Smith wrote: : Hi, : : I am developing software that (among other things) performs automated : file transfer between two companies and I am using Kermit95 as my : communications package. Basically, each system sits idle until a : connection is made from the other system, at which time the receiving : system goes into server mode. : : Is there a way to detect (on the server side) failed or invalid login : attempts to the Kermit server? : : Since the majority of connections will be automated, the companies : involved want some form of notification if someone attempts to connect : to the system using an invalid login/pwd. My only other option is to : have the automated system send the login/pwd string twice: once for me : script to verify and once for remote login to the Kermit server. Any : help on this will be greatly appreciated. The LOG TRANSACTIONS command will log successful and failed login attempts. However, if you need more than a single login ID then you will have to write a script to do the same thing. Transaction Log: C-Kermit 6.1.193 Beta.02, 2 April 1998 SunOS 4.1 Wed Apr 15 15:30:02 1998 Remote system type: Windows-32 Login failed bob Remote system type: Windows-32 Logged in jaltman Remote system type: Windows-32 failed: Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 15 16:28:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16196 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA16428 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with Kermit95 Server Date: 15 Apr 1998 20:27:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6h358e$rng$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3534FCD9.6CD79301@sonalysts.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8635 In article <3534FCD9.6CD79301@sonalysts.com>, Michael C. Smith wrote: : I am developing software that (among other things) performs automated : file transfer between two companies and I am using Kermit95 as my : communications package. Basically, each system sits idle until a : connection is made from the other system, at which time the receiving : system goes into server mode. : Sounds like a fertile ground for deadlocks :-) : Is there a way to detect (on the server side) failed or invalid login : attempts to the Kermit server? : Windows 95, as you know, offers no such thing as remote logins and therefore no security for them. Kermit 95 offers three levels of security: 1. None: anybody who can dial the number gets in. 2. One-user/one-password authentication built into the K95 server via SET SERVER LOGIN. Anybody who can dial the number and knows the username and password gets in. 3. Host mode, which not only supports multiple userid/password combinations, but also enforces filesystem access restrictions. (1) and (2) generally are implemented using a script that waits for the connection and then puts Kermit 95 in server mode. A variety of security measures are possible with the SET SERVER and DISABLE commands. (3) presents itself interactively to the caller and is therefore less usable from scripts. : Since the majority of connections will be automated, the companies : involved want some form of notification if someone attempts to connect : to the system using an invalid login/pwd. : So you might try K95 server mode with the desried services DISABLEd, and with LOG TRANSACTIONS, which records failed and successful logins in the log file of your choice. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 15 21:48:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA01997 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA03729 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!paralynx!news.mindlink.net!paralynx-2!paralynx!paralynx-4!van-bc!paralynx!paralynx-1!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@15.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: timeout on k95 Date: 15 Apr 1998 16:13:30 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6h2mba$a96$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <6ggtct$7me$1@news.ncal.verio.com> <6giigg$9ot$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8636 : In article <6ggtct$7me$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, den wrote: : : I am using K95 as a terminal emulatior (vt320) to a VMS 7.1 Alpha machine. : : I have things working pretty well except for a time out problem. Every 20 : : seconds, if I don't touch a key, Kermit logs me out of the system. I would suspect a timesharing serial port that is causing a flash on the Carrier Detect line. Kermit reacts way to fast to a change on the CD line. Try "set carrier off" and see if the logouts still occur. Is it perfectly 20 seconds? That's kind of a short timeout for any system to use. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 16 06:17:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA18804 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA28674 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!fci-se!fci!inetway.net!imaginet.net!imaginet.fr!usenet From: ES Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: status of a remote command Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:17:53 +0200 Organization: ImagiNET Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3535DAD1.290C3F77@masterline.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.68.3.102 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8637 Hello, We are using MS-DOS Kermit 3.16. One is in server mode. How can test the status of the command "remote cd" (if the remote directory does not exist \v(status) is set). Thank you. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 16 07:28:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05056 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA02412 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:28:37 -0400 (EDT) From: CatherineW@email.unc.edu Subject: You Just Can't Lose Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: UNC NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.30.39.155 Message-ID: <3534b8d7.0@193.15.242.210> Date: 15 Apr 98 13:40:39 GMT Lines: 181 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!fci-se!fci!newsfeed1.swip.net!seunet!news2.swip.net!193.15.242.210!38.30.39.155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8638 So, do you want to make money? If you have ONLY US$6 or a bit more(6 stamps), you can do it!!! ******************************************************* PLEASE READ ON ABOUT HOW TO BE SUCCESSFUL ******************************************************* 1. IS THIS REALLY LEGAL?? I called a lawyer first. The lawyer was a little skeptical that I would actually make any money but he said it WAS LEGAL if I wanted to try it. I told him it sounded a lot like a chain letter but the details of the system (SEE BELOW) actually made it a legitimate legal business. 2. Would the Post Office be ok with this....I called them: 1-800-725-2161 and they confirmed THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! (See Title 18,h sections1302 NS 1341 of Postal Lottery Laws). This clarifies the program of collecting names and addresses for a mailing list. 3. Is this moral? Well, everyone who sends me a buck has a good chance of getting A LOT of money ... a much better chance than buying a lottery ticket!!! ============ HOW IT WORKS ============ Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses: STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each piece of paper: PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST. $1 US DOLLAR PROCESSING FEE IN ENCLOSED. (THIS IS KEY AS THIS IS WHAT MAKES IT LEGAL SINCE YOU ARE PAYING FOR AND LATER OFFERING A SERVICE). Now get 6 $1.00 bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the bill will not be seen through the envelope to prevent theft/robbery (Add colored paper for example;this will turn your bill invisible and the letter still light). Then, place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal them. You should now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the above phrase and a U.S. $1.00 bill. #1 Ronald Stevens 20 Lordly court Kings Park NY 11754 USA #2 J. Turley P.O. Box 50604 Knoxville, TN 37950-0604 USA #3 K. Agler 109 Fraternity Ct. Chapel Hill, NC 27516 USA #4 R Sauter 3500 Crescent Ct Flower Mound, TX 75028 USA #5 Catherine Watkins P.O. Box 67 Chapel Hill, NC 27514-0067 USA #6 Ryan 1201 Holleybank Dr. Matthews, NC 28105 USA STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the other names up (6 becomes 5, 5 becomes 4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as number 6 on the list. (If you want to remain anonymous, put a nickname, but the address MUST be correct. It, of course, MUST contain your country, state/district/area, zip code, etc!!! You wouldn't want your money to fly away, would you?!?!). STEP 3: Now post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups. Remember, 200 postings is just a guideline. The more you post, the more money you make! NOTE: IN MANY NEWSGROUPS THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DELETE THIS KIND OF MESSAGES I RECOMEND YOU TO POST 1 OR EVEN 2 TIMES A WEEK TO 300 NEWSGROUPS SO OTHER PEOPLE CAN SEE YOUR MESSAGES.THIS IS A WAY TO INCREASE THE POSSIBILITIES FOR YOU TO GET MORE MONEY!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The TOP 200 newsgroups can be found at ---> www.op.net/usenet-stats.html *** BOTS *** Bots are small computer programs on a usenet server. 1) Bots look for certain characters in the "Subject:" field of your newsgroup posting. 2) Bots also look for "multiple postings". 3) If a Bot discovers any of the above, it will delete your posting. 4) Then send you a nasty e-mail. ***OUTSMART THE BOTS*** 1) You will make a lot MORE money if you outsmart the BOTS. 2) Post your message only ONCE. 3) Do NOT use characters such as (! $ % + # & * @ ?) in the "Subject" field. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU > WILL MAKE!! BUT YOU HAVE TO POST A MINIMUM OF 200** > That's it! You will begin receiving money from around the world within > day's! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to the large > amount of mail you receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can > invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. > **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.** >------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================= Now the WHY part: ================= Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low example). So then I made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200 postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with my name at #4 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons turn around and post the MINIMUM 200 with my name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each, I will make an additional $626.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of those 625 persons post a MINIMUM 200 letters with my name at #2 and they each only receive 5 replies, that just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all deliver this message to 200 newsgroups with my name at #1 and if still 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I will receive $15,625,00! With a original investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! And as I said 5 responses is actually VERY LOW! Average is probable 20 to 30! So lets put those figures at just 15 responses per person. Here is what you will make: at #6 $15.00 at #5 $225.00 at #4 $3,375.00 at #3 $50,625.00 at #2 $759,375.00#1 $11,390,625.00 When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names on the list, putting your name at number 6 again. And start posting again. The thing to remember is, do you realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining the internet and reading these articles everyday, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I think so... People have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one sends you the money? What are the chances of that happening when there are tons of new honest users and new honest people who are joining the internet and newsgroups everyday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the actual internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will work. You just have to be honest. ** By the way, if you try to deceive people by posting the messages with your name in the list and not sending the money to the rest of the people already on the list, you will NOT get as much. Someone I talked to knew someone who did that and she only made practically nothing, and that's after seven or eight weeks! Then she sent the 6 $1.00 bills, people added her to their lists, and in 4-5 weeks she had over $10k. This is the fairest and most honest way I have ever seen to share the wealth of the world without costing anything but our time!!! You also may want to buy mailing and e-mail lists for future dollars. Make sure you print this article out RIGHT NOW! Also, try to keep a list of everyone that sends you money and always keep an eye on the newsgroups to make sure everyone is playing fairly. Remember, HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. You don't need to cheat the basic idea to make the money!! GOOD LUCK to all and please play fairly and reap the huge rewards from this, which is tons of extra CASH. Please remember to declare your extra income. Thanks once again... ________________________________________________________________________ -- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 16 13:22:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00671 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA20759 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: status of a remote command Date: 16 Apr 1998 17:22:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6h5enp$9hp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3535DAD1.290C3F77@masterline.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8639 In article <3535DAD1.290C3F77@masterline.fr>, ES wrote: : We are using MS-DOS Kermit 3.16. : One is in server mode. : : How can test the status of the command "remote cd" (if the remote : directory does not exist \v(status) is set). : Try this: remote cd xxx remote query kermit directory Then check the value of \v(query). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 16 15:29:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25849 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA27384 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <1998041513363700.JAA10514@ladder03.news.aol.com> Control: cancel <1998041513363700.JAA10514@ladder03.news.aol.com> Date: 15 Apr 1998 13:36:43 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: omull@aol.com (OMull) Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!wnfeed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail X-Original-Subject: Work from home X-Original-Date: 15 Apr 1998 13:36:37 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Original-From: omull@aol.com (OMull) X-CosmoTraq: <[A7:"\B-]Q.4RUWN_TU822R,P2.A2&;B6SU!2-35=8.(Q[Y#N`RM#PT X-Cancel-ID: 8LT7OTU@^'92#8NM)CGFZI+]1^]]D"BF@CV[W59I%AK"+7 Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA13028 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA18167 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <35343887.0@193.15.242.210> Control: cancel <35343887.0@193.15.242.210> Date: 15 Apr 1998 20:30:49 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: CatherineW@email.unc.edu Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.95.128.196!news-nyc.telia.net!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!seunet!news2.swip.net!193.15.242.210!38.30.69.115 X-Original-Subject: You Just Can't Lose X-Original-Date: 15 Apr 98 04:33:11 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.30.69.115 X-Original-From: CatherineW@email.unc.edu X-CosmoTraq: T9@)U(!L`0BZHY7Q74"4@Y5?`'2S#*<^1PBPA] X-Cancel-ID: 9'46ODI=]W7Z#S.3]@G,DI2E1NYZC2>E*C]CPR8Y_,+$U78>JKU7U5IO X-Commentary: Spam is lame. 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From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 17 07:50:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA08528 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA04977 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!adiron!rauug!bofh.int!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Cosmo Roadkill Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3535c5af.0@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net> Control: cancel <3535c5af.0@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net> Date: 16 Apr 1998 09:09:54 GMT Organization: BOFH Space Command, Usenet Division Message-ID: Sender: socrates@super.net.uk Approved: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-No-Archive: yes X-Cancelled-By: cosmo.roadkill%bofh.int@rauug.mil.wi.us X-Original-Path: ...!wnfeed!worldnet.att.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.he.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!uknet!nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net!ap226-15.itl.net X-Original-Subject: GET MONEY QUICK X-Original-Date: 16 Apr 98 08:47:43 GMT X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ap226-15.itl.net X-Original-From: socrates@super.net.uk X-CosmoTraq: *R`14`F@L\0H3=]BF"T8\^;D3X,=U3&VX2&]/1,&`-)Q+!O#+>(']A\7 X-Cancel-ID: OA,5O5-F]G28:=&S`13L,.Y#1>V#EB:DR)D!XS%$'&`> Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16031 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA07520 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:13:48 -0400 (EDT) From: LaserPointers.com@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:11:49 PDT Subject: Check it out! 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To place you order, visit our home page at: http://www.LaserPointers.com LaserPointer.com staff From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Apr 18 07:23:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24896 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA16030 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.on.rogers.wave.ca!torfree!bm803 From: bm803@torfree.net (Indy Sivap) Subject: Is it possible?? Message-ID: Organization: Toronto Free-Net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:12:32 GMT Lines: 17 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8641 This is the problem I am having: I have two computers, one in Tokyo and the other in Toronto,Canada. My computer in Tokyo needs to be sent a crucial file. (I cannot log into the computer in Tokoyo remotely as the modem processes are not running (and hence the need for this files). I can get a guy in Tokoyo to use the kermit protocol and dial out of my computer and log into my computer in Toronto. But I don't think I can get him to upload the files as he is computer illiterate. Is it possible for me to take charge after he logs into my computer in Toronto i.e. can I send the upload instruction (like the files to send etc). Is it possible for me thhen check the remote system (like doing a listing of files etc). Any help would be appreciated. Indy -- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Apr 18 13:01:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22602 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03356 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.new-york.net!news.decus.org!eisner!vickers From: vickers@eisner.decus.org (don Vickers) Subject: Re: Is it possible?? Reply-To: Vickerss@eisner.decus.org Lines: 34 Organization: DECUServe Message-ID: <1998Apr18.124406.1@eisner> References: X-Trace: news.decus.org 892917856 5553 VICKERS [192.67.173.2] X-Nntp-Posting-Host: eisner.decus.org Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:44:06 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8642 Not only is it possible but very easy using a Kermit script. You can create a script that does the entire process of connecting to the computer in Toronto, checking for the file, doing the copy and disconnecting. all the person in Tokyo would need to do is to start Kermit. The actual details will depend on the type of operating system on the computers but modern Kermit runs on all popular systems. The best thing you cam do for yourself is to buy a copy of "Using C-Kermit" by Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone. This book is included in Kermit-95 and possibly other versions from Columbia. Go to their web site at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html for information about the book. Have fun, don bm803@torfree.net (Indy Sivap) writes: > > This is the problem I am having: > > I have two computers, one in Tokyo and the other in Toronto,Canada. My > computer in Tokyo needs to be sent a crucial file. (I cannot log into > the computer in Tokoyo remotely as the modem processes are not running > (and hence the need for this files). I can get a guy in Tokoyo to use > the kermit protocol and dial out of my computer and log into my computer > in Toronto. But I don't think I can get him to upload the files as he is > computer illiterate. Is it possible for me to take charge after he logs > into my computer in Toronto i.e. can I send the upload instruction (like > the files to send etc). Is it possible for me thhen check the remote > system (like doing a listing of files etc). Any help would be appreciated. > > Indy > -- > From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Apr 18 13:38:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29294 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05256 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is it possible?? Date: 18 Apr 1998 17:38:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6haof7$3dm$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8643 In article , Indy Sivap wrote: : I have two computers, one in Tokyo and the other in Toronto,Canada. My : computer in Tokyo needs to be sent a crucial file. (I cannot log into : the computer in Tokoyo remotely as the modem processes are not running : (and hence the need for this files). I can get a guy in Tokoyo to use : the kermit protocol and dial out of my computer and log into my computer : in Toronto. But I don't think I can get him to upload the files as he is : computer illiterate. Is it possible for me to take charge after he logs : into my computer in Toronto i.e. can I send the upload instruction (like : the files to send etc). Is it possible for me thhen check the remote : system (like doing a listing of files etc). Any help would be appreciated. : There are lots of ways to do this. Perhaps the simplest is to tell your friend in Tokyo to put his copy of Kermit in server mode. This effectively turns control of it over to you. At this point you can get files from the Tokyo computer, send files to it, get directory listings, perform various file management functions, and even run certain kinds of programs on the remote computer. For details, see the appropriate manual. For more information about Kermit manuals, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html Here is an example that can be used if the Tokyo computer has C-Kermit 6.0: cd xxx ; change to desired directory set modem type xxx ; whatever kind of modem it is set speed 57600 ; or whatever set line /dev/cua ; or whatever if fail stop 1 SET LINE failed - /dev/cua answer ; wait for your call server ; enter server mode That's it. - Frank