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In article <6sh08l$1dv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <6sfhis$4hi$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu>,
>jeff l sue <jsue@cs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>: In article <6s1kq5$65p$1@client3.news.psi.net>,
>: Bob Kennedy <bkennedy@peco-energy.com> wrote:
>: >
>That's the good thing about alpha paging.  TAP is a protocol that lets the
>page sender know whether the page was delivered successfully -- at least to
>the paging service.  Of course it is the paging service's responsibility
>to deliver it to the pager.  And of course it is also the responsibility of
>the person carrying the page to read the page promptly and respond to it,
>but that's somewhat beyond software control.
>

Right, but my comments address the latter part of your paragraph:  Something
needs to insure that the receiver actually got the message.  There are many
different reasons that the page may not make it. For example (real world
experience):  Pager accidentally turned off (by children), pager lost,
battery died, on airplane when page happened, inept/unwilling receiver, etc.

The C-Kermit solution can be used to send the page, but some other complexity
needs to be added to the paging application that provides for positive 
confirmation from the receiver that the page got through.  If that confirmation
doesn't arrive within x-minutes, then escalate one level - which may mean just
trying again to the same pager.  Wait x-more minutes, then escalate to level2,
etc.  At some point, upper management should be in the escalation process.

Without this, the effort spent on the paging application could result in
messages going into the bit-bucket.

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In article <6shr9b$qsq$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu>,
jeff l sue <jsue@cs.indiana.edu> wrote:
: Right, but my comments address the latter part of your paragraph:  Something
: needs to insure that the receiver actually got the message.  There are many
: different reasons that the page may not make it. For example (real world
: experience):  Pager accidentally turned off (by children), pager lost,
: battery died, on airplane when page happened, inept/unwilling receiver, etc.
: 
: The C-Kermit solution can be used to send the page, but some other complexity
: needs to be added to the paging application that provides for positive 
: confirmation from the receiver that the page got through.  If that confirmation
: doesn't arrive within x-minutes, then escalate one level - which may mean just
: trying again to the same pager.  Wait x-more minutes, then escalate to level2,
: etc.  At some point, upper management should be in the escalation process.
: 
: Without this, the effort spent on the paging application could result in
: messages going into the bit-bucket.

The easiest answer to these problems is the following:

 if you need a service that provides reliable delivery of messages
 then contract for that kind of service.  SkyTel's 2-way paging 
 service is one example of a service that will hold messages until
 the pager is able to confirm receipt.  

 AT&T also has a similar Text messaging service with their digital
 phones.

One-way pagers are not reliable.  You cannot guarantee delivery of
messages to them.  Therefore, if reliable delivery is required
then a one-way pager is not an acceptable solution.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Things continue to look up.  I modified the dos emulator
and now Kermit 95 works without having to reset the code
page manually after the dosemulator starts.

ebiederm@inetnebr.com (Eric W. Biederman) wrote:

> What it comes down to is:
> 1) IBM character set issues, are a pain with slang. 
>    We have a hack for the linux terminal but that is all.
>    Frank you've reversed engineered it beautifully.
>    Look in src/env/video/terminal.c line 69 if you want to see where 
>    the ESC ( U is.  Remember \033 is octal for the escape character.

     Thank you!  That was just the information I needed.  I found
the code at line 161 in src/env/video/terminal.c (for version 0.97.10).
I commented out the original line and replaced it with the following
line, as

   //if (Use_IBM_Codes) SLtt_write_string ("\033(U\033(U\r        \r");
     if (Use_IBM_Codes) SLtt_write_string ("\033(B\033-U\r        \r");

So, thanks to you and the Kermit support team, I can use Kermit95
on a W95 machine to telnet to the Linux box, both ends have the
terminal set to 'linux', and have my Clipper app look pretty good,
including legible text plus box drawing characters, without needing
to escape to Kermit to reset the character set.  (In other words,
dosemu has now stopped resetting the character set or code page
or whatever.)  (The key information from Kermit support was that
apparently dosemu was sending 'ESC ( U ESC ( U' instead of
'ESC ( B ESC - U'.)

I can now use any of the following three telnet clients and run
the Clipper app: Linux, Kermit95, MSKermit (i.e. Kermit under DOS
over a packet driver on Ethernet, where Kermit supplies the TCP/IP).
Each still has a few little problems I haven't fully resolved, but
it probably runs "good enough" at this stage.  I have a CLIPPER.KSC
file for K95 and for MSKermit that helps get the terminal keys
sending what the Clipper app expects.  I plan to post those files
eventually.  If anyone needs them sooner, just email me.

> 4) I'm going to be moving in about a month so my
> free time is a little short right now.

     I understand completely and am pleased you could point me
in the right direction.

> It would be a real help however is people started fixing their termcaps,
> or terminfo databases to include the pc capabilities, and sending them to 
> Eric Raymond.  So your terminals will work.

     I'm interested in this, but don't quite understand.  If
Eric or Eric or anyone else could explain it a little more,
I would appreciate it.  Do you mean to _invent_ new capability
strings that will then be used by dosemu (for, for example,
the Ctrl-PgDn key), or that the capability strings already exist
but just aren't listed in the 'linux' terminfo source, or ...?
I mention Ctrl-PgDn because it and Ctrl-PgUp are the only keys
that don't seem to work for me when using Linux to telnet to
the Linux box running dosemu.  So, a general explanation would
be useful as would any specific suggestion on how to "turn on"
the Ctrl-PgDn and Ctrl-PgUp keys.  (I do have Ctrl-PgDn and
Ctrl-PgUp working when telnetting from K95 or MSKermit.)


  -- Frank
  frank.sergeant@pobox.com


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I am trying to transfer a client's data files from a PDP-11 to a Windows
95 machine through Kermit software Kermit-11 on the PDP-11 and Kermit95
on the Win95 machine through a serial terminal line.

I have successfully transfered text files to and from the PDP-11 and
Win95 machine on occassion.  Meaning that sometimes it works and
sometime it don't (the same darn file.)  When it doesn't work the error
goes from rejected type to rejected name for the text file transfer.

I have the the following settings:

        FILE TYPE  = BINARY
        TRANSFER MODE = MANUAL

Questions:

1.  Are there other settings beside the default settings that I should
be looking at?
2.  Are there any nuances between Kermit-11 and C-Kermit (Kermit95)?


Thanks in advance for your help

kent
tech@issdrm.com


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In article <UKG71Yv1uAiI084yn@eskimo.com>,
Frank Sergeant <frank.sergeant@pobox.com> wrote:
: 
: > It would be a real help however is people started fixing their termcaps,
: > or terminfo databases to include the pc capabilities, and sending them to 
: > Eric Raymond.  So your terminals will work.
: 
:      I'm interested in this, but don't quite understand.  If
: Eric or Eric or anyone else could explain it a little more,
: I would appreciate it.  Do you mean to _invent_ new capability
: strings that will then be used by dosemu (for, for example,
: the Ctrl-PgDn key), or that the capability strings already exist
: but just aren't listed in the 'linux' terminfo source, or ...?
: I mention Ctrl-PgDn because it and Ctrl-PgUp are the only keys
: that don't seem to work for me when using Linux to telnet to
: the Linux box running dosemu.  So, a general explanation would
: be useful as would any specific suggestion on how to "turn on"
: the Ctrl-PgDn and Ctrl-PgUp keys.  (I do have Ctrl-PgDn and
: Ctrl-PgUp working when telnetting from K95 or MSKermit.)
: 
Please do not start inventing new hacks.  If there is something you
need please ask first because more than likely someone already
implemented what you need as part of an international standard.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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In article <35EC9B3F.F26AE1A4@sgi.net>, krsmith  <krsmith@sgi.net> wrote:
: I am trying to transfer a client's data files from a PDP-11 to a Windows
: 95 machine through Kermit software Kermit-11 on the PDP-11 and Kermit95
: on the Win95 machine through a serial terminal line.
: 
: I have successfully transfered text files to and from the PDP-11 and
: Win95 machine on occassion.  Meaning that sometimes it works and
: sometime it don't (the same darn file.)  When it doesn't work the error
: goes from rejected type to rejected name for the text file transfer.
: 
: I have the the following settings:
: 
:         FILE TYPE  = BINARY
:         TRANSFER MODE = MANUAL
: 
: Questions:
: 
: 1.  Are there other settings beside the default settings that I should
:     be looking at?
: 2.  Are there any nuances between Kermit-11 and C-Kermit (Kermit95)?
: 
Yes to both.

As noted in the Kermit-11 "beware" file, k11.bwr, and on the PDP-11 Kermit
web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pdp11.html

Kermit-11 3.60 and earlier has a bug with attribute packets.  To work around
the bug, tell one Kermit (or both) to:

  set attributes off

Unfortunately 3.60 is the latest (last?) release for RSX.  Later releases
(with this bug fixed) are available for RT and RSTS.

- Frank

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Is it possible to sit a GUI based program over Kermit in order to
receive mail.  Where Can I learn more about Kermit, does anyone know????

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I would have emailed this to support, but my ISP's mail server is down
and will be for a while.  Please respond to this group, so that I can
see your response.
---------

I have a question about color for Qnx.

I am using K95 to telnet to a Qnx machine.  I am using
terminal type QNX.

when logged into the Qnx machine...

If I use the editor "qed" or "vedit" I get color.
   (whatever colors are defined in the editor)

If I run my application I get the K95 terminal emulation
screen colors from the terminal setup page.
   (all foreground is lightgray - background is black)

If I use Qnx's "ditto" command (which allows me to monitor
the main console on the Qnx machine from my terminal)
I see my application in color.
   (whatever colors are used by the application)

Any ideas?? Mainly, why running my application straight does
not produce the application colors, but other programs do.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Glenn S. Sherman                    gsherman@remove_this.jlc.net
Granite State Software                            (603) 878-4048

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In article <6spbuo$f8d$1@mozart.jlc.net>,
Glenn Sherman <gsherman@remove_this.jlc.net> wrote:
: 
: I would have emailed this to support, but my ISP's mail server is down
: and will be for a while.  Please respond to this group, so that I can
: see your response.
: ---------
: 
: I have a question about color for Qnx.
: 
: I am using K95 to telnet to a Qnx machine.  I am using
: terminal type QNX.
: 
: when logged into the Qnx machine...
: 
: If I use the editor "qed" or "vedit" I get color.
:    (whatever colors are defined in the editor)
: 
: If I run my application I get the K95 terminal emulation
: screen colors from the terminal setup page.
:    (all foreground is lightgray - background is black)
: 
: If I use Qnx's "ditto" command (which allows me to monitor
: the main console on the Qnx machine from my terminal)
: I see my application in color.
:    (whatever colors are used by the application)
: 
: Any ideas?? Mainly, why running my application straight does
: not produce the application colors, but other programs do.
: 
In the same session?  It is probably because your application is not
sending the color-selection escape sequences, or at least not the right
ones.  To find out for sure, tell K95 to "log session", then make a new
connection to your QNX system, then run your application, then log out,
then "close session", and then send the resulting session.log file to
kermit-support@columbia.edu as a binary attachment for analysis.

- Frank

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Tito wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to sit a GUI based program over Kermit in order to
> receive mail.  Where Can I learn more about Kermit, does anyone know????

Refershing the post.

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In article <35F11513.23BA@monmouth.com>, Tito  <Tito@monmouth.com> wrote:
: Tito wrote:
: > 
: > Is it possible to sit a GUI based program over Kermit in order to
: > receive mail.  Where Can I learn more about Kermit, does anyone know????
: 
Start at the Kermit website:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

If you are asking about Windows 95, 98, or NT, see:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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I am using Kermit on Solaris 2.6. The problem is when I transfer files
using kermit I have to keep the cursor in the virtual window where
kermit is running if I take cursor outside the window the file transfer
stops. Can anyone help?
Thanks
Please reply to duong.vu@utoronto.ca

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hello all!

    has anyone come across such a (java)  library or package??  i'm
particularly
interested in kermit's unicode terminal emulation features.

thanks for any help/info/tip.

evan 
ezc@qad.com

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Hello

We are using C-Kermit to transfer data from an MVS-machine to a VMS
database server. The transfer process has performed well for about 7
years now. But suddenly, we are getting the message ?Sent too many NAKs.
It seems as this could be a message of Kermit itself. Does anyone know
the meaning of this? What we found out until now is that the connection
process has got very,very low. We also have replaced the terminals
involved - no effect at all and still the same error message. 

Thanks very much for any hint!

Andy Mannhart, Swiss Post
e-mail: mannharta@post.ch


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In article <01bdd83b$668d7aa0$402903a7@ezc-se>,
Evan Chua-Yap <ezc@qad.com> wrote:
: hello all!
: 
:     has anyone come across such a (java)  library or package??  i'm
: particularly
: interested in kermit's unicode terminal emulation features.
: 
: thanks for any help/info/tip.
: 
: evan 
: ezc@qad.com
:
The Kermit Project has not implemented either Kermit File Transfer
Protocol nor any full featured communications software for Java.
We do not yet see a high enough demand for Java applications and 
Java applets should not have the permissions to perform file 
system access.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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In article <35F38F24.3CF6@spin.ch>, Andy Mannhart  <amannhart@spin.ch> wrote:
: Hello
: 
: We are using C-Kermit to transfer data from an MVS-machine to a VMS
: database server. The transfer process has performed well for about 7
: years now. But suddenly, we are getting the message ?Sent too many NAKs.
: It seems as this could be a message of Kermit itself. Does anyone know
: the meaning of this? What we found out until now is that the connection
: process has got very,very low. We also have replaced the terminals
: involved - no effect at all and still the same error message. 
: 
: Thanks very much for any hint!
: 
: Andy Mannhart, Swiss Post
: e-mail: mannharta@post.ch
: 
A NAK is an indication that a packet was either received damaged or
was not received at all.  If the packet retry limit is reached the
file transfer will be terminated and the error message "?Sent too many NAKs."
will be sent.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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In article <35F12C96.57DEE626@utoronto.ca>,
Duong Minh Vu  <duong.vu@utoronto.ca> wrote:
: I am using Kermit on Solaris 2.6. The problem is when I transfer files
: using kermit I have to keep the cursor in the virtual window where
: kermit is running if I take cursor outside the window the file transfer
: stops. Can anyone help?
:
Not me.  I haven't a clue.  C-Kermit should be totally ignorant of whether
its window is current, and the X Windows system should let C-Kermit run
no matter where the cursor is.  Unfortunately I don't have a Sun workstation
where I can test this myself, so I hope somebody else can shed some light.
I assume it is either a misunderstanding, a coincidence, or some kind of
X Windows or xterm configuration problem.

What about other applications?  Does the same thing happen with them, or is
C-Kermit the only one?

On HP-UX, under HP-Vue, which is X-based, there is no such problem.

- Frank

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>
>The Kermit Project has not implemented either Kermit File Transfer
>Protocol nor any full featured communications software for Java.
>We do not yet see a high enough demand for Java applications and 
>Java applets should not have the permissions to perform file 
>system access.
>
>    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
>                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
>              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
>  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org


We looked at serial port control from Java recently.  One problem
is that there is really no "java standard" for serial port access.  Sun
has proposed one and implmented it it for Solaris, but it is not part of the
Java Virtual Machine per se.  We ended up having our Java application 
telnet into the UNIX server and run ckermit!  

Matthew

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In article <gerlachEyzzKy.GHF@netcom.com>,
Matthew H. Gerlach <gerlach@netcom.com> wrote:
: 
: We looked at serial port control from Java recently.  One problem
: is that there is really no "java standard" for serial port access.  Sun
: has proposed one and implmented it it for Solaris, but it is not part of the
: Java Virtual Machine per se.  We ended up having our Java application 
: telnet into the UNIX server and run ckermit!  
: 
: Matthew

I wasn't even thinking about Kermit over serial i/o since Java is
designed for communications via TCP/IP.  Kermit is not just for 
transfering files over serial devices.  Kermit is used to transfer
files over transport medium or combination thereof.  It is particularly 
good in a TCP/IP environment as a means of providing file transfers
when more than one firewall exists in the communication path or when
TCP/IP is used in conjunction with another transport medium such as
serial i/o, X.25, LU6.2, or LAT.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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I downloaded some kermit files a couple of months back and want to explode
them; but I have no idea what format they are in; they are not .tar or .gz
I got these from sunsite i beleive
Anybody familiar with these files?
TIA if you know :)

Joe
243 root /tmp> /joe/tarfiles/c_kermit/ckuker.rs6aix32c-3.2.5



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In article <6t64ci$l90@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
sysadmin <charlesjourdan@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: I downloaded some kermit files a couple of months back and want to explode
: them; but I have no idea what format they are in; they are not .tar or .gz
: I got these from sunsite i beleive
:
The right place to get Kermit files is:

  http://www.kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/

If you got them at Sunsite, who knows what they are, how old they are, etc.

: Anybody familiar with these files?
: TIA if you know :)
: 
: 243 root /tmp> /joe/tarfiles/c_kermit/ckuker.rs6aix32c-3.2.5
: 
This is the C-Kermit binary for AIX 3.2.5.  Just rename it to "kermit",
chmod +x, give it any needed owner and/or group, and/or suid/sgid bits,
and off you go.

Note that there are numerous auxilliary files that go with C-Kermit, such as
man page, detailed installation instructions, etc.  These are all available
from the Kermit website.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <01J1LNSCCQV6003UJK@acs.wooster.edu>,
Lee Schultz  <SCHULTZ@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU> wrote:
: 
: Software:
:   Kermit 6.0.192 
:   AXP/VMS v7.1-1h1
:   DecC v5.7
:   Multinet v4.1a
: 
: Note that I am NOT a "C" programmer.
: 
: Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
: 
You are perfectly welcome to report problems with C-Kermit directly to
kermit-support@columbia.edu.

: When compiling Kermit on the Alpha, I get the following error messages:
: 
: Starting [...]CKVKER.COM;3 on HOLMES at  8-SEP-1998 11:45:50.28
: DECC compiler found
: C compiler: DECC, options: /decc, command: CC
: Operating System: OpenVMS(tm) Alpha
: 
: 'CC' 'CCOPT' KSP:ckcmai
: #if _POSIX_C_SOURCE >= 2 || !defined _POSIX_C_SOURCE
: ....................^
: %CC-W-BADCONSTEXPR, Syntax error in constant expression.
: at line number 127 in module UNISTD of text library
: SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$RTLDEF.TLB;1
: 
This will be fixed in the next release.  The fix is in the file CKCDEB.H.
Please find this:

#ifndef _POSIX_C_SOURCE
#define _POSIX_C_SOURCE
#endif /* _POSIX_C_SOURCE */

Change it to this:

#ifndef _POSIX_C_SOURCE
#define _POSIX_C_SOURCE 1
#endif /* _POSIX_C_SOURCE */

(Add a definition of "1").

: _PROTOTYP( void bzero, (char *, int) );
: ^
: %CC-E-PARMTYPLIST, Ill-formed parameter type list.
: at line number 549 in file COLLEGE$WOOSTER:[KERMIT.CURRENT.SRC]CKCNET.H;3
: 
: _PROTOTYP( void bcopy, (char *, char *, int) );
: ^
: %CC-E-NOTCOMPAT, In this declaration, the type of "__MEMMOVE" is not
: compatible with the type of a previous declaration of "__MEMMOVE" at line
:  number 274 in file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$RTLDEF.TLB;1.
:
Now these two are interesting.  bzero() and bcopy() are not very portable,
and yet they are widely used in networking code.  If you look higher up in
CKCNET.H, you'll see that we #define bzero and bcopy to be memset and
memcopy (with appropriate argument rearrangement), but only if SVR4 (System
V Release 4) or EXCELAN is defined, and then only if UNIX is also defined.

But none of those is defined in a VMS build.  So I have no idea how bcopy()
could have been #define'd as memmove (as the diagnostic above demonstrates
to be the case), unless it's happening somewhere else.

I'd like to know why this is happening, and fix it, but without access to
your configuration, it's hard to say.  However, you might be able to mask
the problem as follows:

#ifndef bzero
_PROTOTYP( void bzero, (char *, int) );
#endif /* bzero */
#ifndef bcopy
_PROTOTYP( void bcopy, (char *, char *, int) );
#endif /* bcopy */

Please follow up directly to kermit-support@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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I made the mistake of installing the Microsoft DUN 1.3
upgrade.  Now when I click connect on K-95 ver 1.1.15
using direct tcp/ip connection (not dial up), I get an
error that says -
"A change to the system configuration requires that all
 telephony applications be closed before any progress.
 Some have not done so yet."
There are no other applications running.  But after
about a 2 minute wait, up pops the connection window.
And everything is fine, until I try to open a second
connection and the error and the wait repeat.

I know this is something the Microsoft DUN upgrade did
but does anybody have a hint of what to do to stop
this?

Ray T.

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We have been having problems transfering files between C-Kermit on SCO
UNIX and Kermit on a IBM 390 mainframe running MVS.  We had no problems
until we upgraded our C-Kermit version from 5.190 to 6.192.  The problem
is that there several retry errors during the transmission.  I don't
have much information on the mainframe version other than it is old.  We
are connected thru a dialup connection via a local GTE Data Services
phone number.  The only kermit settings I was told to use are:
	control quote=35
	max pack 1024
	no pad characters
	eol=13
	CRC=1 byte checksum
	Block start =1

The files I am transferring are text only.  My show proto command shows
the following:

Protocol:
Kermit                                                               
                                                                               
Protocol Parameters:   Send   
Receive                                         
 Timeout (used= 5):      5*      15        Server Timeout:  
0                 
 Padding:                0        0        Block Check:     
1                 
 Pad Character:          0        0        Delay:           
1                 
 Packet Start:           1        1        Max Retries:    
10                 
 Packet End:            13      
13                                            
 Packet Length:       1024    
1024                                            
 Maximum Length:      9024     9024        Window Size:      3 set, 0
used     
 Buffer Size:         9065     9065        Locking-Shift:    enabled,
not used 
                                                                               
 Packet timeouts: dynamic
1:0                                                  
 Auto-upload command (binary):  kermit
-ir                                     
 Auto-upload command (text):    kermit
-r                                      
 Transfer character-set:
transparent                                           
 Transfer mode:
automatic                                                      
 Transfer slow-start:
on                                                       
 Attributes:
on                                                                
                                                                               
 Cancellation: on 3
3                                                          
 Send / Receive Pause:   0
(msec)                                              

I have experimented with set prefixing all/cautious/minimal/none which
only creates more retries per packet.  The best I have seen is approx 1
retry for every packet sent.

The following is an example of my display after a file upload (I am
connecting at 14.4K):

   Current Directory:
/usr2/clients/cc                                        
Communication Device:
/dev/tty2A                                              
 Communication Speed:
38400                                                   
              Parity:
even                                                    
         RTT/Timeout: 01 /
04                                                 
             SENDING: /tmp/neicbatch.dat => NEICBATCH.DAT =>
CLAIMS.DATA      
           File Type: TEXT (no
translation)                                   
           File Size:
34820                                                   
        Percent Done: 100
//////////////////////////////////////////////////  
                         
...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100  
        Elapsed Time:
00:00:25                                                
  Transfer Rate, CPS:
1392                                                    
        Window Slots: 1 of
1                                                  
         Packet Type:
%                                                       
        Packet Count:
20                                                      
       Packet Length:
8                                                       
         Error Count:
22                                                      
          Last Error:
(resend)                                                
        Last Message: Files: 1, Bytes: 34820, 1392
CPS                        

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Art Lucey
Compu-Craft

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit to MVS upload problems after upgrade to version 6
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In article <35F80436.669@yahoo.com>, Art L. <art1958@yahoo.com> wrote:
: We have been having problems transfering files between C-Kermit on SCO
: UNIX and Kermit on a IBM 390 mainframe running MVS.  We had no problems
: until we upgraded our C-Kermit version from 5.190 to 6.192.  The problem
: is that there several retry errors during the transmission.  I don't
: have much information on the mainframe version other than it is old.  We
: are connected thru a dialup connection via a local GTE Data Services
: phone number.  The only kermit settings I was told to use are:
:
: 	control quote=35
:
This is the default anyway.

: 	max pack 1024
:
The command for this is SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 1024.

As noted in the manual, if a particular packet length results in trouble,
then try a shorter one.

: 	no pad characters
: 	eol=13
: 	CRC=1 byte checksum
: 	Block start =1
: 
These are the defaults anyway.

:  Packet Length:       1024     1024        Window Size: 3 set, 0 used 
:
Nothing suspicious here, except that you have also given the command:

  SET WINDOW 3

which you did not mention above.  But Kermit-370 does not do sliding
windows.  This should cause no harm, since C-Kermit will negotiate down.
But neither does it serve any useful purpose.

:  Packet timeouts: dynamic 1:0 
:
This is a difference between C-Kermit 5A and 6.0, that might account for
some retries.

: The following is an example of my display after a file upload (I am
: connecting at 14.4K):
: 
:   Transfer Rate, CPS: 1392 
:          Error Count: 22 
:           Last Error: (resend)
:
Well, first off, this is not so bad.  1392 cps on a 1440 cps connection
is pretty good throughput for a half-duplex connection.

However, you should be able to eliminate the retries if C-Kermit 5A did
not get them on exactly the same connection.  The most likely culprit is
the new dynamic timeout feature, in which C-Kermit tries to figure out the
packet round-trip time a per-packet basis, rather than using a fixed
timeout.  Try giving C-Kermit a command like:

  SET SEND TIMEOUT 8 FIXED

This disables the dynamic timeouts and selects a fixed 8-second timeout.

- Frank

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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In article <35F80436.669@yahoo.com>, Art L. <art1958@yahoo.com> wrote:
: : We have been having problems transfering files between C-Kermit on SCO
: : UNIX and Kermit on a IBM 390 mainframe running MVS.  We had no problems
: : until we upgraded our C-Kermit version from 5.190 to 6.192.  
 ...
: : 	max pack 1024
: :
: The command for this is SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 1024.

: As noted in the manual, if a particular packet length results in trouble,
: then try a shorter one.

Note that there are two packet length limits.  If you get errors only
on uploading to the mainframe, the C-Kermit receive packet length
limit won't make any difference -- for that situation, you might
examine the send packet length (or, equivalently, the receive packet
length limit on the mainframe Kermit).

However, if the problems started only when you upgraded C-K, it does
seem unlikely that the packet lengths are the direct cause.

					John Chandler

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Answering my own question -

I noticed that DUN 1.3 added two dial up adapters. I
deleted them and the problem went away.

Ray T.

Ray Timmons wrote:
> 
> I made the mistake of installing the Microsoft DUN 1.3
> upgrade.  Now when I click connect on K-95 ver 1.1.15
> using direct tcp/ip connection (not dial up), I get an
> error that says -
> "A change to the system configuration requires that all
>  telephony applications be closed before any progress.
>  Some have not done so yet."
> There are no other applications running.  But after
> about a 2 minute wait, up pops the connection window.
> And everything is fine, until I try to open a second
> connection and the error and the wait repeat.
> 
> I know this is something the Microsoft DUN upgrade did
> but does anybody have a hint of what to do to stop
> this?
> 
> Ray T.

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Listen closely:
File in AIX
Use C-Kermit program from Columbia
s filename
Receive file
File is same except has linefeeds per each LINE
What in tarnation??
What the ##@$%^! is going on? OTHER protocols don't DO THAT
TIA >:<>
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In article <6tmlv4$ra0@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
sysadmin <charlesjourdan@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: Listen closely:
: File in AIX
: Use C-Kermit program from Columbia
: s filename
: Receive file
: File is same except has linefeeds per each LINE
: What in tarnation??
: What the ##@$%^! is going on? OTHER protocols don't DO THAT
: TIA >:<>
:
As explained in the documentation, Kermit's default transfer mode
is text.  In otherwise, if you don't specify otherwise, Kermit
sends files in text mode.  The transfer format for text files
uses CRLF for line termination.  The receiving Kermit program is
supposed to translate between this format and its own text
format, whatever that is (LF, CRLF, CR, fixed-length records,
etc).  What kind of computer are you sending the file to, and
what Kermit software are you using on it?

If you want C-Kermit to send the file in binary mode, tell it
to "set file type binary" before sending.

- Frank

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Yes this is the answer; i notice default on kermit is 7 bit also FYI

--
===========================================
Opinions my own and not representative of my employer
Do not listen to me: I have brain damage
===========================================
"Spock!  We're talking about millions of lives!"
Spock (raised eyebrow) "Nevertheless, if the Romulans are indeed an offshoot
of Vulcan blood,... it is imperative we attack."
Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6tmmpc$4tp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <6tmlv4$ra0@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
>sysadmin <charlesjourdan@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>: Listen closely:
>: File in AIX
>: Use C-Kermit program from Columbia
>: s filename
>: Receive file
>: File is same except has linefeeds per each LINE
>: What in tarnation??
>: What the ##@$%^! is going on? OTHER protocols don't DO THAT
>: TIA >:<>
>:
>As explained in the documentation, Kermit's default transfer mode
>is text.  In otherwise, if you don't specify otherwise, Kermit
>sends files in text mode.  The transfer format for text files
>uses CRLF for line termination.  The receiving Kermit program is
>supposed to translate between this format and its own text
>format, whatever that is (LF, CRLF, CR, fixed-length records,
>etc).  What kind of computer are you sending the file to, and
>what Kermit software are you using on it?
>
>If you want C-Kermit to send the file in binary mode, tell it
>to "set file type binary" before sending.
>
>- Frank



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Greetings,

Does anyone know where there is a searchable archive of this newsgroup?

Thanks in advance.


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Is there a way to use an APC command so my Unix host can turn on the
caps lock key on my K95 client?


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Using K95, I want to prompt user for name before making SRP telnet
connection.  I am unable to make the variable entered in the 'ask'
command work in the 'set login userid' command.  Does someone have an
example to show how it is done?


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In article <35FF2C59.14A75CAE@thermeon.com>,
Scott Sampson  <ssampson@thermeon.com> wrote:
: Is there a way to use an APC command so my Unix host can turn on the
: caps lock key on my K95 client?
: 
No.  An APC may only contain valid Kermit commands and there is no
Kermit command to toggle the CAPSLOCK key.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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In article <35FF2D1E.D61C80CA@thermeon.com>,
Scott Sampson  <ssampson@thermeon.com> wrote:
: Using K95, I want to prompt user for name before making SRP telnet
: connection.  I am unable to make the variable entered in the 'ask'
: command work in the 'set login userid' command.  Does someone have an
: example to show how it is done?
: 
I do not remember why command quoting is turned off for the
SET LOGIN USER and SET TELNET ENVIRONMENT USER commands but 
it is and the result is that those commands will not evaluate
variables.

However, all is not lost.  You can do what you want in a slightly
roundabout manner.

  ASK \%1 {Username? }
  ASSIGN SET_LOGIN_USER SET LOGIN USER \%1
  DO SET_LOGIN_USER
  UNDEF SET_LOGIN_USER

What this sequence does is create a macro called SET_LOGIN_USER 
whose definition is "SET LOGIN USER <name>" where <name> is
the contents of \%1 as retrieved in the ASK command.  The DO
command is then used to execute the macro definition and UNDEF
is used to undefine the macro.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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In article <35FF2C59.14A75CAE@thermeon.com>,
Scott Sampson <ssampson@thermeon.com> wrote:

>Is there a way to use an APC command so my Unix host can turn on the
>caps lock key on my K95 client?

    If you can find a utility for your PC that does that, your unix
    host can probably have K95 run it through an APC command.  You'll
    probably have to set 'APC unchecked' on K95 for it to work, though.

-- 
jhurwit@netcom.com                                       Jeffrey Hurwit
         "Sometimes, I just can't help myself!"  --Babs Bunny

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Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
> In article <35FF2C59.14A75CAE@thermeon.com>,
> Scott Sampson  <ssampson@thermeon.com> wrote:
> : Is there a way to use an APC command so my Unix host can turn on the
> : caps lock key on my K95 client?
>
> No.  An APC may only contain valid Kermit commands and there is no
> Kermit command to toggle the CAPSLOCK key.

I don't use kermit 95, I use 3.15 for dos and find APC very useful.
The mskermit "run doscommand " command allows someone to run commands on
the local machine - when apc unchecked is toggled on . I don't know how apc
works with kermit95?

   Someone recently suggested giving permission in the local
.ini  file for only certain macros to be used as apc strings - without
generally allowing access to the local machine. Though this might not be
absolutely secure, it could be an _additional_ and very useful option.

   If there is a "run command" wih K95  and what that command can do 
will be obvious to someone who uses kermit95 - but I just don't know.    
What would prevent the implementation of "run" on K95 is not obvious
to me right now, though the great utility of having this ability - is.
It also seems that turning on capslock either with a dos or windows
program is very possible - whether such a program can readily be found
instead of written is another question. 

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In article <6tpahb$vbq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,  <apatnaik@aircom.com> wrote:
: A couple more questions:
: 
: 1. Is the TAP protocol, as you say below, something that
:    is installed on the sending computer, i.e my computer which
:    contains my application that sends pages? I can't assume
:    anything about the paging service provider or the receiving side.
: 
C-Kermit 6.0 comes with a script that implements the TAP protocol:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html

Whether you can send an alpha page depends on the paging service.

: 2. My pages need to work in numeric-only pagers, but if
:    a client has an alpha pager, would the mechanism I
:    use to send pages to numeric-only pagers work?
: 
No.  There is a fundamental difference between numeric and alpha pages.
Numeric pages are sent by dialing a number and then, after it answers,
entering the message by pushing additional numbers on the telephone keypad,
i.e. sending DTMF signals (Touch Tones).  If you are using a modem, all
the modem does is dial -- none of its modulation/demodulation/protocol
features are engaged at all.

Alpha pages are sent over a modem-to-modem connection.  A modem must
answer on the far end, and carrier is required.  The message is sent as
characters rather than DTMF tones.

There are, in fact, three ways to send an alpha page.  First, you can make
a voice call to the paging service and speak to human who transcribes the
message and pager ID, and then sends the page.  Second, you can dial the
paging service with a modem and a terminal or emulator, and type in the
pager ID and message in an interactive dialog.  Third, you can dial the
paging service with a computer and modem and use Telocator Alphanumeric
Protocol to send the page.  The third is best because it includes error
detection and correction (checksums, retranmission, etc) and confirmation
that the page was sent.

The second method might seem easier, and can be scripted, but lacks not
only error detection/correction and confirmation, but also a uniform
interface -- every paging service uses a different dialog.

: 3. Is there any example code that uses C-Kermit for
:     sending numeric pages. How reliable is it?
: 
C-Kermit simply sends a dialing command to the modem, and therefore must
depend on the capabilities of the modem, since Kermit itself (or any other
software running on your computer) does not have access to the sounds
(waveforms) on the telephone line.  Only the modem "hears" them and can
interpret them (as you would if you were using a real telephone), and
pass along the interpretation to the computer in the form of result codes.

It's all done in the dial string that is sent to the modem.  Example:

  ATDT7654321@123456#;

This works if your modem treats "@" as a command to "wait for quiet answer"
(i.e. phone answers but there is no carrier).  However, some modems don't
implement this very well, or at all, or consistently with other modems.
In that case, you need hardwired pauses:

  ATDT7654321,,,,123456#;

One comma = 2 seconds (unless change the modem's default configuration); use
as many as necessary according to what your paging service does when it
answers the phone (speaks a long message, plays Muzak for 5 minutes, etc).
In some cases, a combination might work best:

  ATDT7654321@,,,,123456#;

(wait for answer, and then wait for recorded message to stop playing).

The message, in this example "123456" is normally terminated by "#", and
the final ";" tells the modem to return to command mode immediately rather
than wait for carrier, since there never will be carrier.

Thus the Kermit commands are quite simple:

  set modem type usr      ; or whatever you have
  set line /dev/cua0      ; or whatever device you are using
  set speed 2400          ; doesn't really matter much  
  dial 7654321@123456#;   ; send the page

At this point the modem will respond with OK, or maybe NO DIALTONE, BUSY,
or (if we are lucky) NO ANSWER (depending on how well the "@" works), and
then Kermit will report success or failure depending on what the modem
said.

How reliable is it?  This is not really a question about the software,
it's a question about the modem.  In my experience, most modems do not
handle this task well at all.  Also, it's a question of whether the paging
service lets you "type ahead" -- what happens if tones are sent while a
recorded message is playing?  Etc etc.  All of this is beyond software
control; all the software can do is ask the modem to dial -- the rest is
up to the modem.  And the paging service.

To achieve the best possible reliability requires rather intensive study
of your modem manual, detailed observation of the behavior of the paging
service under a variety of conditions, and much experimentation.  Even then,
there can be no guarantees that the paging service will get the message,
or that the paging service will relay the message to the pager, or that
the person carrying the pager will notice the message.  TAP solves the first
problem.  The second problem is solved by paging services that hold the
message until the pager confirms receipt (these are called 2-way paging
services).  But the only solution for the last problem is to require a
some form of reply from the pagee, such as a voice callback.

I suspect that some modems will perform better than others.  In fact, modems
could be built that were well suited to numeric paging, but they would need
some different functions than modems we have now.  And paging services would
need to be changed to work with these modems.  For example, modems would
need a real "wait for answer" (as opposed to the "@" directive, whose
definition is usually something like "wait for 5 seconds of silence), and
then the paging service would need to emit a special tone when it was ready
to receive the page, similar to the "bong" sent when making credit-card
calls.  Then you could use the modem's "wait for bong" feature (if it has
one) before sending the page, to ensure it is not sent before the service
is ready for it.

- Frank

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In article <6tnfqs$im0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>I do not remember why command quoting is turned off for the
>SET LOGIN USER and SET TELNET ENVIRONMENT USER commands but 
>it is and the result is that those commands will not evaluate
>variables.
>
>However, all is not lost.  You can do what you want in a slightly
>roundabout manner.
>
>  ASK \%1 {Username? }
>  ASSIGN SET_LOGIN_USER SET LOGIN USER \%1
>  DO SET_LOGIN_USER
>  UNDEF SET_LOGIN_USER
>
>What this sequence does is create a macro called SET_LOGIN_USER 
>whose definition is "SET LOGIN USER <name>" where <name> is
>the contents of \%1 as retrieved in the ASK command.  The DO
>command is then used to execute the macro definition and UNDEF
>is used to undefine the macro.
>
>    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
>                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
>              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
>  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

Wow!  This is quite handy.  Nice hack.  I also notice that "set host"
can't take variables.  Basically, I wanted to use the "host" program
to look up my MX record and use it as an argument to set host so that
I can send an ETRN command (open !read ..., set host \%h 25).  But
that didn't quite work :^(.  So the most I have now is a warning in my
syslog that my mail exchanger host may have changed, and that I'd
better update my script.  Now you've given me a good idea to "update"
it permanently! :^) :^) :^)
-- 
Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Ooooo-weem-oh-wum-ooo-ayyy
In the jungle, the silicon jungle, the process sleeps tonight.
Joe Philipps <rchandra-nospam@letter.com> http://www.servtech.com/~rchandra/
You know what you have to do to send email to me successfully :^)

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One thing I might note here is that at least some paging services have
both DTMF and TAP terminals, and as long as the "payload" of the TAP
block contains only digits (no alphabetic, special, or other
characters, with the possible exception of "-"), numeric pagers can
receive the message just fine.  This is true of Arch in the Buffalo,
NY, USA area, and quite possibly everywhere Arch operates.

Also, many paging services, including Arch, have Web-to-pager and
email-to-pager gateways.  For example, the one for my pager is
pager-number-including-areacode@epage.arch.com.  Since some of these
send text (they extract the From: and Subject: lines from the email
message), they are unsuitable for number-only pagers.  (You usually
get a page, but the screen is blank when you try to read the page.)
-- 
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In article <6u0itd$742$1@post.servtech.com>,
 <rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com> wrote:

: Wow!  This is quite handy.  Nice hack.  I also notice that "set host"
: can't take variables.  Basically, I wanted to use the "host" program
: to look up my MX record and use it as an argument to set host so that
: I can send an ETRN command (open !read ..., set host \%h 25).  But
: that didn't quite work :^(.  So the most I have now is a warning in my
: syslog that my mail exchanger host may have changed, and that I'd
: better update my script.  Now you've given me a good idea to "update"
: it permanently! :^) :^) :^)

What version of Kermit are you using that variables in the SET HOST
command do not work?


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Using kermit on AIX.
Dial into a LanRover, then use the lanrover's telnet command to get to
another Unix box.
When attempting to transfer a file from my local machine to the remote, I
get tons of timeout errors,
unless I bump the packet-length down to its minimum of 12 (with 4 windows).
It seems like there is a flow-control problem, but I have been unsuccessful
in explaining/fixing this problem.
Does anybody have a suggestion?


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Greetings,

Using K95 1.1.17, telnet SRP/CAST encrypted sessions over internet, get
occasional unexpected disconnects immediately when user types some data
after sitting idle for several minutes.

I believe I have eliminated keepalive, active close from remote, DUN,
tcp retransmit timeout, user error, ... from list of possible culprits.

What suggestions do you have to help find the cause?  Does Kermit have
some (default?) rules that may cause disconnects?

Thanks in advance for your assistance, and thanks also for rapid answers
to previous questions.


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Using K95 1.1.17 telnet SRP/CAST encrypted sessions, after connecting
ctrl-c is not sent over connection, but then do alt-x twice and then
ctrl-c does get sent.  Is this intentional?  Why does switching between
connect & command mode and back change behaviour?

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In article <3605E3BC.F1906407@thermeon.com>,
Scott Sampson  <ssampson@thermeon.com> wrote:
: Greetings,
: 
: Using K95 1.1.17, telnet SRP/CAST encrypted sessions over internet, get
: occasional unexpected disconnects immediately when user types some data
: after sitting idle for several minutes.
: 
: I believe I have eliminated keepalive, active close from remote, DUN,
: tcp retransmit timeout, user error, ... from list of possible culprits.
: 
: What suggestions do you have to help find the cause?  Does Kermit have
: some (default?) rules that may cause disconnects?
: 
: Thanks in advance for your assistance, and thanks also for rapid answers
: to previous questions.

K95 does not have any rules that will cause disconnects after idle
time.  On a TCP/IP connection, nothing is sent across the wire unless
the user or host application sends data.  Therefore, it is possible
for the other end of the connection to disappear or for the TCP route
to become invalid without K95 knowing about it until the user types on
the keyboard.

Another possible problem is associated with DHCP leasing of IP addresses.  
If more than one client is assigned the wrong address or if the 
Microsoft DHCP client holds an IP address beyond its allocated time.

For these to be diagnoses you will need a sniffer or tcpdump and 
record everything until the problem happens.




    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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In article <3605E505.B176378A@thermeon.com>,
Scott Sampson  <ssampson@thermeon.com> wrote:
: Using K95 1.1.17 telnet SRP/CAST encrypted sessions, after connecting
: ctrl-c is not sent over connection, but then do alt-x twice and then
: ctrl-c does get sent.  Is this intentional?  Why does switching between
: connect & command mode and back change behaviour?
: 

Definitely not intentional.  However, the most likely cause is that
the Ctrl-C is not being delivered to K95 by Windows.  Switching between
Command and Terminal modes resets the state of the Ctrl-C processing
in the console window (shoudl it be interpretted as a Break signal or 
as a character.)  My guess is that Windows is not delivering the 
character to k95 on your system.

You can check this with a debug.log.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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In article <6u43q3$fn2$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
Mr. Scott <montgomery@starfleet.org> wrote:
: Using kermit on AIX.
: Dial into a LanRover, then use the lanrover's telnet command to get to
: another Unix box.
: When attempting to transfer a file from my local machine to the remote, I
: get tons of timeout errors,
: unless I bump the packet-length down to its minimum of 12 (with 4 windows).
: It seems like there is a flow-control problem, but I have been unsuccessful
: in explaining/fixing this problem.
: Does anybody have a suggestion?
: 
Flow control is certainly a likely suspect.  The LAN Rover port and the 
modem that is connected to it should be set to use some form of flow control,
and moreover the SAME form of flow control, and for maximum effectiveness and
transparency, this should be hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control.  There is
nothing you can do about the LAN Rover's modem, but there might be a command
available at the LAN Rover's prompt to let you check and perhaps alter its
communication parameters.

The same kind of flow-control problem might also be occuring between your
local computer and its own modem.

Second, some terminal servers are simply broken with respect to uploads.
These are the ones that are disigned under the mistaken assumption that the
vast preponderance of data flow will be TO the terminal, rather than FROM it.

I do not suspect a transparency problem at the LAN Rover, since if that were
the case, shortening your Kermit packets would make no difference at all.

All of these issues are discussed at length in "Using C-Kermit".  These
discussions should help you home in on the problem and solve it.

The current version of C-Kermit, by the way, is 6.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html

- Frank

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rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com wrote in message
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>One thing I might note here is that at least some paging services have
>both DTMF and TAP terminals, and as long as the "payload" of the TAP
>block contains only digits (no alphabetic, special, or other
>characters, with the possible exception of "-"), numeric pagers can
>receive the message just fine.  This is true of Arch in the Buffalo,
>NY, USA area, and quite possibly everywhere Arch operates.
:^)
CallAudit Voice offers Paging notification.  Its compatible with Numeric or
Alphanumeric pagers, (using TAP).

A demo is available at http://www.mtnsys.com

Good Luck,

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Here is the situation:

1. Establish DUN connection with company my RAS server, using Windows 95.
2. Use telnet to connect to UNIX (AIX) box on the LAN.
3. Run kermit.
4. Use the dial command (with set dial display on) to go out to a remote
client.
5. DUN hangs up MY modem - presumably because it interprets the hangup
sequence being printed out by kermit.

Ouch!  This one had the gears turning for quite awhile before we figured out
the cause.

We NEED to keep "set dial display on" for debugging purposes.

Tell me there is a way to prevent this from happening!?



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Allow me to rule out a few things.

1. It is not a transparency problem because the transfer works flawlessly
when packet-length is < 48 (and window size is 1).
2. It is not a flow control problem between our modem and UNIX because both
(as well as kermit itself) are configured properly: both are configured to
use RTS/CTS (and kermit); also transfers work at very high speeds with other
remote hosts with no problem.

Unfortunately there are no "settings" options at the LanRover prompt that I
can play with.  They must be configured by the administrator using a
separate program.

This would all but point to some sort of problem on the remote end, wouldn't
you agree?

This is what we are asking the remote client to check:

1. Check that their modem is also using hardware flow control.
2. Check that their LanRover machine serial port is using hardware flow
control.
3. Check to see that the LanRover software is configured to work with
hardware flow contol.

Beyond this, the telnet part of the connection is through TCP/IP and needs
no flow control configuration, right?

Can you think of anything I forgot to ask them?

Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6u5mis$lnr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <6u43q3$fn2$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
>Mr. Scott <montgomery@starfleet.org> wrote:
>: Using kermit on AIX.
>: Dial into a LanRover, then use the lanrover's telnet command to get to
>: another Unix box.
>: When attempting to transfer a file from my local machine to the remote, I
>: get tons of timeout errors,
>: unless I bump the packet-length down to its minimum of 12 (with 4
windows).
>: It seems like there is a flow-control problem, but I have been
unsuccessful
>: in explaining/fixing this problem.
>: Does anybody have a suggestion?
>:
>Flow control is certainly a likely suspect.  The LAN Rover port and the
>modem that is connected to it should be set to use some form of flow
control,
>and moreover the SAME form of flow control, and for maximum effectiveness
and
>transparency, this should be hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control.  There is
>nothing you can do about the LAN Rover's modem, but there might be a
command
>available at the LAN Rover's prompt to let you check and perhaps alter its
>communication parameters.
>
>The same kind of flow-control problem might also be occuring between your
>local computer and its own modem.
>
>Second, some terminal servers are simply broken with respect to uploads.
>These are the ones that are disigned under the mistaken assumption that the
>vast preponderance of data flow will be TO the terminal, rather than FROM
it.
>
>I do not suspect a transparency problem at the LAN Rover, since if that
were
>the case, shortening your Kermit packets would make no difference at all.
>
>All of these issues are discussed at length in "Using C-Kermit".  These
>discussions should help you home in on the problem and solve it.
>
>The current version of C-Kermit, by the way, is 6.0:
>
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
>
>- Frank

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In article <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
Mr. Scott <montgomery@starfleet.org> wrote:
: Here is the situation:
: 
: 1. Establish DUN connection with company my RAS server, using Windows 95.
: 2. Use telnet to connect to UNIX (AIX) box on the LAN.
: 3. Run kermit.
: 4. Use the dial command (with set dial display on) to go out to a remote
: client.
: 5. DUN hangs up MY modem - presumably because it interprets the hangup
: sequence being printed out by kermit.
: 
: Ouch!  This one had the gears turning for quite awhile before we figured out
: the cause.
: 
: We NEED to keep "set dial display on" for debugging purposes.
: 
: Tell me there is a way to prevent this from happening!?
: 
Change the escape character in the modem or turn off the escape sequence
entirely.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Here is the situation:

1. Establish DUN connection with company my RAS server, using Windows 95.
2. Use telnet to connect to UNIX (AIX) box on the LAN.
3. Run kermit.
4. Use the dial command (with set dial display on) to go out to a remote
client.
5. DUN hangs up MY modem - presumably because it interprets the hangup
sequence being printed out by kermit.

Ouch!  This one had the gears turning for quite awhile before we figured out
the cause.

We NEED to keep "set dial display on" for debugging purposes.

Tell me there is a way to prevent this from happening!?



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Allow me to rule out a few things.

1. It is not a transparency problem because the transfer works flawlessly
when packet-length is < 48 (and window size is 1).
2. It is not a flow control problem between our modem and UNIX because both
(as well as kermit itself) are configured properly: both are configured to
use RTS/CTS (and kermit); also transfers work at very high speeds with other
remote hosts with no problem.

Unfortunately there are no "settings" options at the LanRover prompt that I
can play with.  They must be configured by the administrator using a
separate program.

This would all but point to some sort of problem on the remote end, wouldn't
you agree?

This is what we are asking the remote client to check:

1. Check that their modem is also using hardware flow control.
2. Check that their LanRover machine serial port is using hardware flow
control.
3. Check to see that the LanRover software is configured to work with
hardware flow contol.

Beyond this, the telnet part of the connection is through TCP/IP and needs
no flow control configuration, right?

Can you think of anything I forgot to ask them?

Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6u5mis$lnr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <6u43q3$fn2$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
>Mr. Scott <montgomery@starfleet.org> wrote:
>: Using kermit on AIX.
>: Dial into a LanRover, then use the lanrover's telnet command to get to
>: another Unix box.
>: When attempting to transfer a file from my local machine to the remote, I
>: get tons of timeout errors,
>: unless I bump the packet-length down to its minimum of 12 (with 4
windows).
>: It seems like there is a flow-control problem, but I have been
unsuccessful
>: in explaining/fixing this problem.
>: Does anybody have a suggestion?
>:
>Flow control is certainly a likely suspect.  The LAN Rover port and the
>modem that is connected to it should be set to use some form of flow
control,
>and moreover the SAME form of flow control, and for maximum effectiveness
and
>transparency, this should be hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control.  There is
>nothing you can do about the LAN Rover's modem, but there might be a
command
>available at the LAN Rover's prompt to let you check and perhaps alter its
>communication parameters.
>
>The same kind of flow-control problem might also be occuring between your
>local computer and its own modem.
>
>Second, some terminal servers are simply broken with respect to uploads.
>These are the ones that are disigned under the mistaken assumption that the
>vast preponderance of data flow will be TO the terminal, rather than FROM
it.
>
>I do not suspect a transparency problem at the LAN Rover, since if that
were
>the case, shortening your Kermit packets would make no difference at all.
>
>All of these issues are discussed at length in "Using C-Kermit".  These
>discussions should help you home in on the problem and solve it.
>
>The current version of C-Kermit, by the way, is 6.0:
>
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
>
>- Frank



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Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6u5mis$lnr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <6u43q3$fn2$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
>Mr. Scott <montgomery@starfleet.org> wrote:
>: Using kermit on AIX.
>: Dial into a LanRover, then use the lanrover's telnet command to get to
>: another Unix box.
>: When attempting to transfer a file from my local machine to the remote, I
>: get tons of timeout errors,
>: unless I bump the packet-length down to its minimum of 12 (with 4
windows).
>: It seems like there is a flow-control problem, but I have been
unsuccessful
>: in explaining/fixing this problem.
>: Does anybody have a suggestion?
>:
>Flow control is certainly a likely suspect.  The LAN Rover port and the
>modem that is connected to it should be set to use some form of flow
control,
>and moreover the SAME form of flow control, and for maximum effectiveness
and
>transparency, this should be hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control.  There is
>nothing you can do about the LAN Rover's modem, but there might be a
command
>available at the LAN Rover's prompt to let you check and perhaps alter its
>communication parameters.
>
>The same kind of flow-control problem might also be occuring between your
>local computer and its own modem.
>
>Second, some terminal servers are simply broken with respect to uploads.
>These are the ones that are disigned under the mistaken assumption that the
>vast preponderance of data flow will be TO the terminal, rather than FROM
it.
>
>I do not suspect a transparency problem at the LAN Rover, since if that
were
>the case, shortening your Kermit packets would make no difference at all.
>
>All of these issues are discussed at length in "Using C-Kermit".  These
>discussions should help you home in on the problem and solve it.
>
>The current version of C-Kermit, by the way, is 6.0:
>
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.htmlAllow me to rule out a few
things.

1. It is not a transparency problem because the transfer works flawlessly
when packet-length is < 48 (and window size is 1).
2. It is not a flow control problem between our modem and UNIX because both
(as well as kermit itself) are configured properly: both are configured to
use RTS/CTS (and kermit); also transfers work at very high speeds with other
remote hosts with no problem.

Unfortunately there are no "settings" options at the LanRover prompt that I
can play with.  They must be configured by the administrator using a
separate program.

This would all but point to some sort of problem on the remote end, wouldn't
you agree?

This is what we are asking the remote client to check:

1. Check that their modem is also using hardware flow control.
2. Check that their LanRover machine serial port is using hardware flow
control.
3. Check to see that the LanRover software is configured to work with
hardware flow contol.

Beyond this, the telnet part of the connection is through TCP/IP and needs
no flow control configuration, right?

Can you think of anything I forgot to ask them?


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Subject: Re: This is interesting ...
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Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <6uca4j$c5e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
>Mr. Scott <montgomery@starfleet.org> wrote:
>: Here is the situation:
>:
>: 1. Establish DUN connection with company my RAS server, using Windows 95.
>: 2. Use telnet to connect to UNIX (AIX) box on the LAN.
>: 3. Run kermit.
>: 4. Use the dial command (with set dial display on) to go out to a remote
>: client.
>: 5. DUN hangs up MY modem - presumably because it interprets the hangup
>: sequence being printed out by kermit.
>:
>: Ouch!  This one had the gears turning for quite awhile before we figured
out
>: the cause.
>:
>: We NEED to keep "set dial display on" for debugging purposes.
>:
>: Tell me there is a way to prevent this from happening!?
>:
>:
>
>Change the escape character in the modem or turn off the escape sequence
>entirely.
>
>
>    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
>                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
>              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
>  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html *
kermit-support@kermit-project.org

What!?

This is extremely non-standard, or put another way, a dangerous hack.

I certainly cannot do this at all ... but I do appreciate the suggestion.

Any other suggestions?



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In article <6ucb5n$bl$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
Mr. Scott <montgomery@starfleet.org> wrote:

: What!?
: 
: This is extremely non-standard, or put another way, a dangerous hack.
: 
: I certainly cannot do this at all ... but I do appreciate the suggestion.
: 
: Any other suggestions?

I do not understand why you think this is non-standard or even
a hack.  Turning off the 'escape sequence' or changing the escape
character for an modem used for incoming calls is exactly what is
supposed to be done.  An incoming modem does not require an escape
character or sequence if it automatically returns to command mode
upon disconnect and it is the only way to address the problem you
described.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Subject: Re: Can't get a transfer to work efficiently over a connection with a LanRover in-between.
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In article <6uc3v7$k1j$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
Mr. Scott <montgomery@starfleet.org> wrote:
: Allow me to rule out a few things.
: 
: 1. It is not a transparency problem because the transfer works flawlessly
: when packet-length is < 48 (and window size is 1).
:
Agreed.

: 2. It is not a flow control problem between our modem and UNIX because both
: (as well as kermit itself) are configured properly: both are configured to
: use RTS/CTS (and kermit); also transfers work at very high speeds with other
: remote hosts with no problem.
: 
But that does not mean it is not a flow control problem.  The fact that
packet lengths > 48 cause a transfer to fail on this connection means that
there a buffer somewhere between your host the destination host that
overflows, and whoever owns that buffer is not flow-controlling its 
transmission peer.

: Unfortunately there are no "settings" options at the LanRover prompt that I
: can play with.  They must be configured by the administrator using a
: separate program.
: 
But if transfers work through the same LanRover to other hosts, then it is
most likely a problem in the particular host where the transfer is failing.

: This is what we are asking the remote client to check:
: 
: 1. Check that their modem is also using hardware flow control.
: 2. Check that their LanRover machine serial port is using hardware flow
: control.
: 3. Check to see that the LanRover software is configured to work with
: hardware flow contol.
: 
Right.  Wherever there is a junction, hardware flow control should be in force
on both ends of it.

: Beyond this, the telnet part of the connection is through TCP/IP and needs
: no flow control configuration, right?
: 
You would think so, but some Telnet servers allow data to be lost when the
controlling (pseudo)terminal is not using flow control.

In any case, we should probably move this discussion to email.  If your
investigations do not prove fruitful, we'll need more details about the two
hosts, Kermit versions, settings, etc, and probably also some packet and/or
debug logs.  The Kermit support email address is:

  kermit-support@columbia.edu

- Frank

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On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:35:25 -0400, "Mr. Scott" <montgomery@starfleet.org>
wrote:
>Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <6uca4j$c5e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>
>>In article <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
>>Change the escape character in the modem or turn off the escape
>>sequence entirely.
>>
>This is extremely non-standard, or put another way, a dangerous hack.

You are mistaken. It is quite standard. The capability to change the
escape character has been in every modem I've used since my original Hayes
SmartModem (300 baud) *many* years ago. Also, there is nothing dangerous
about it. This is especially so, as you say you only need it for
debugging.

>I certainly cannot do this at all ... but I do appreciate the suggestion.

I assume that you cannot do this because you either do not have or have
not read your modem's manual. I believe that you will find that it is
register S2 that contains the escape character for the modem, which
defaults to 43, the ASCII "+" character. You need to give your modem an
"ATS2=nn" command, where you replace the "nn" with the decimal value of
the character you want to be its new escape. If that's a vertical bar
("|"), then the command would be "ATS2=124" (without the double quote
characters, of course).

After making the change, you may need to save the information into your
modem's non-volatile memory, especially if your debug process requires
that the modem be reset to its saved parameters. Different modems vary in
the way this is done. Most common I've seen is a variant of "AT&W", so you
might look for that in your manual.

Good luck!

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Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <6uca4j$c5e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
: >Change the escape character in the modem or turn off the escape sequence
: >entirely.

Mr. Scott (montgomery@starfleet.org) wrote:

: What!?

: This is extremely non-standard, or put another way, a dangerous hack.

Allowing a modem escape to exist on the dial-in modem is inviting
some hangs.  Any user who tries to disconnect from a connection by giving
the modem escape sequence in a Unix shell environment is going to have the
escape echoed by Unix back to the dialin modem as well as having it
captured by the dialout modem.  This will hang the Unix dialin modem, as
there is no further way of "talking" to it at that point.

The escape sequence should be disabled on any dialin modem.  It is only of
value to a dialout modem, if at all.

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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But the modem in question is NOT a dial-in modem!  It is a dial-out modem.

Remember, I was dialing OUT on the modem when kermit printed the "+++" which
disconnected my Windows 95 modem.

Go back to the original post.

1.  From a Windows 95 computer I establish a DUN connection with a remote
network.
2. I telnet to a Unix machine.
3. I start up kermit using one of the Unix modems.
4. I dial OUT.
5. The +++ displayed by kermit disconnects MY PERSONAL WINDOWS 95 modem.

Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <6udklm$3r2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <6ucb5n$bl$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
>Mr. Scott <montgomery@starfleet.org> wrote:
>
>: What!?
>:
>: This is extremely non-standard, or put another way, a dangerous hack.
>:
>: I certainly cannot do this at all ... but I do appreciate the suggestion.
>:
>: Any other suggestions?
>
>I do not understand why you think this is non-standard or even
>a hack.  Turning off the 'escape sequence' or changing the escape
>character for an modem used for incoming calls is exactly what is
>supposed to be done.  An incoming modem does not require an escape
>character or sequence if it automatically returns to command mode
>upon disconnect and it is the only way to address the problem you
>described.
>
>
>
>    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
>                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
>              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
>  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html *
kermit-support@kermit-project.org



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I hate to continue this thread because it is getting quite lengthly,
however, I feel it necessary to comtinue comment.

First off, I am aware of S2, and for that matter, every other register in a
standard modem, however I must still maintain that just because it exists
doesn't mean that using it is a good idea, in fact, I believe it isn't.
Changing the escape character may render other communication applications
useless because most assume "+" as the escape character, and they would
break.  Disabling--rather than changing--the sequence would also break
things.

What I did do was:

set modem hangup-method rs232-signal

This avoids the escape sequence altogether.  However, it is not working
completely.

Typing hangup while online does not hangup, but leaving kermit does.  How
strange.  Go figure.
As far as I know the cabling is fine, so the signal should be getting to the
modem.
Anyways my problem has been mostly solved.




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In article <6uent8$9d5$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
Mr. Scott <montgomery@starfleet.org> wrote:
: But the modem in question is NOT a dial-in modem!  It is a dial-out modem.
: 
: Remember, I was dialing OUT on the modem when kermit printed the "+++" which
: disconnected my Windows 95 modem.
: 
: Go back to the original post.
: 
: 1.  From a Windows 95 computer I establish a DUN connection with a remote
: network.
: 2. I telnet to a Unix machine.
: 3. I start up kermit using one of the Unix modems.
: 4. I dial OUT.
: 5. The +++ displayed by kermit disconnects MY PERSONAL WINDOWS 95 modem.

The Windows modem is hanging up because the modem it is talking to was 
disconnected by the "+++".  Your Win95 modem will not respond to the 
escape sequence.  The "dial in" modem that I am referring to is the
one that is attached to the PPP server.

Now if you were to turn on PPP Compression or encryption your problem 
would go away because the "+++" would be altered to be a shorter sequence
representing 3 of the "+" character.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <6uenhq$8o1$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
Mr. Scott <montgomery@starfleet.org> wrote:
: First off, I am aware of S2, and for that matter, every other register in a
: standard modem, however I must still maintain that just because it exists
: doesn't mean that using it is a good idea, in fact, I believe it isn't.
: Changing the escape character may render other communication applications
: useless because most assume "+" as the escape character, and they would
: break.  Disabling--rather than changing--the sequence would also break
: things.
: 
It depends on the modem.  Most modern modems can be configured to a certain
desired known state and this configuration can be saved.  Then, whenever a
connection is broken (carrier drops from the other modem, or DTR drops from
the computer), the saved state is restored automatically, so every user gets
the same configuration, no matter what the previous did.  (This is a bit of
a simplification -- consult your modem manual for details.)

- Frank

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Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <6uf2ph$of$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <6uent8$9d5$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
>Mr. Scott <montgomery@starfleet.org> wrote:
>: But the modem in question is NOT a dial-in modem!  It is a dial-out
modem.
>:
>: Remember, I was dialing OUT on the modem when kermit printed the "+++"
which
>: disconnected my Windows 95 modem.
>:
>: Go back to the original post.
>:
>: 1.  From a Windows 95 computer I establish a DUN connection with a remote
>: network.
>: 2. I telnet to a Unix machine.
>: 3. I start up kermit using one of the Unix modems.
>: 4. I dial OUT.
>: 5. The +++ displayed by kermit disconnects MY PERSONAL WINDOWS 95 modem.
>
>The Windows modem is hanging up because the modem it is talking to was
>disconnected by the "+++".  Your Win95 modem will not respond to the
>escape sequence.  The "dial in" modem that I am referring to is the
>one that is attached to the PPP server.
>
>Now if you were to turn on PPP Compression or encryption your problem
>would go away because the "+++" would be altered to be a shorter sequence
>representing 3 of the "+" character.
>
>    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
>                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
>              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
>  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html *
kermit-support@kermit-project.org

Oh, I see that now.  It is very clear.  Thank you.



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Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6ugh75$h0a$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <6uenhq$8o1$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
>Mr. Scott <montgomery@starfleet.org> wrote:
>: First off, I am aware of S2, and for that matter, every other register in
a
>: standard modem, however I must still maintain that just because it exists
>: doesn't mean that using it is a good idea, in fact, I believe it isn't.
>: Changing the escape character may render other communication applications
>: useless because most assume "+" as the escape character, and they would
>: break.  Disabling--rather than changing--the sequence would also break
>: things.
>:
>It depends on the modem.  Most modern modems can be configured to a certain
>desired known state and this configuration can be saved.  Then, whenever a
>connection is broken (carrier drops from the other modem, or DTR drops from
>the computer), the saved state is restored automatically, so every user
gets
>the same configuration, no matter what the previous did.  (This is a bit of
>a simplification -- consult your modem manual for details.)
>
>- Frank

I am in complete agreement.
However, all our communication apps would have to be reconfigured to
understand this saved state of affairs.
Something we don't wish to do.



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In article <6ugk1i$m91$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
Mr. Scott <montgomery@starfleet.org> wrote:
: 
: Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6ugh75$h0a$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
: >In article <6uenhq$8o1$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
: >Mr. Scott <montgomery@starfleet.org> wrote:
: >: First off, I am aware of S2, and for that matter, every other register
: >: in a standard modem, however I must still maintain that just because it
: >: exists doesn't mean that using it is a good idea, in fact, I believe it
: >: isn't.  Changing the escape character may render other communication
: >: applications useless because most assume "+" as the escape character,
: >: and they would break.  Disabling--rather than changing--the sequence
: >: would also break things.
: >
: >It depends on the modem.  Most modern modems can be configured to a
: >certain desired known state and this configuration can be saved.  Then,
: >whenever a connection is broken (carrier drops from the other modem, or
: >DTR drops from the computer), the saved state is restored automatically,
: >so every user gets the same configuration, no matter what the previous
: >did.  (This is a bit of a simplification -- consult your modem manual for
: >details.)
: 
: I am in complete agreement.  However, all our communication apps would
: have to be reconfigured to understand this saved state of affairs.
: Something we don't wish to do.
: 
My point was actually that if your modems can be configured this way -- and
again, it depends entirely on the modem -- then your applications do NOT
have to be reconfigured.  Any application can do anything at all to the
modem, and the modem automatically reverts to its saved configuration when
it is released.

Before leaving this topic, I should explain what I meant before about
simplification.  The real question is: even if I can create and save the
desired configuration, and set the modem to restore it automatically every
time a connection drops, what is to prevent the user from saving a new
configuration on top of the one I saved?  Again, the answer depends on 
the modem.  Some have external switches or buttons, some have management
passwords or even external management systems (as in the USR Total Control
system).  Without such tools, dialout modem pools would not be practical,
since any user or application could "break" a modem badly enough to prevent
others from using it.

- Frank

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I have a user that cant  configure his modem to be recognized by
1.1.17 version of K95..  hes using NT and a shiva modem pool.  Hyper
terminal works and do other applications.  Tapi gives the message that
no devices are configured for tapi...any advice?

Mark

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In article <360be95e.18107816@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
 <mgibby@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: I have a user that cant  configure his modem to be recognized by
: 1.1.17 version of K95..  hes using NT and a shiva modem pool.  Hyper
: terminal works and do other applications.  Tapi gives the message that
: no devices are configured for tapi...any advice?
: 
: Mark

The first question is "what device is HyperTerminal using?"

Second question, what commands are you giving K95 to access the modem?

Follow-up to kermit-support@columbia.edu

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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mgibby@worldnet.att.net wrote:
: I have a user that cant  configure his modem to be recognized by
: 1.1.17 version of K95..  hes using NT and a shiva modem pool.  Hyper
: terminal works and do other applications.  Tapi gives the message that
: no devices are configured for tapi...any advice?

He's a step ahead of me.  I can't get Win95 to recognize the modem pool
that works fine with Win3.1

-- 
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                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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I am having a couple of problems with K-95, all dealing with the keyboard.

My first problem is that control-C is often ignored (not sent) until I use
ALT-X and then re-connect.  (The same problem that Scott Sampson reported in
an earlier posting).

My second problem is that sometimes my keyboard seems to change to a
European layout instead of my US keyboard layout during a session: Z and Y
are reversed, colon is a shifted period (hard to use vi).   I don't know how
it changed, and I don't know how to fix it.   It is only affects the
particular window and luckily it happens only about once a week.

My third problem is that when I switch windows (i.e., to some other program)
and then switch back, my caps lock is toggled.  I was typing in lowercase
and then I am typing in uppercase.  It is really annoying when a simple
window comes up (e.g., "You have new mail") and I click ok (no typing, no
pressing caps-lock key) the caps lock state changes.  Often the caps lock
light is not in sync with the caps lock state.

Sorry to just post problems; I like kermit and K-95 in particular.



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In article <XkOP1.213$1c3.4526137@news1.i1.net>,
Scott Nelson <sbnelson@i1.net> wrote:
: I am having a couple of problems with K-95, all dealing with the keyboard.
: 
: My first problem is that control-C is often ignored (not sent) until I use
: ALT-X and then re-connect.  (The same problem that Scott Sampson reported in
: an earlier posting).
: 
: My second problem is that sometimes my keyboard seems to change to a
: European layout instead of my US keyboard layout during a session: Z and Y
: are reversed, colon is a shifted period (hard to use vi).   I don't know how
: it changed, and I don't know how to fix it.   It is only affects the
: particular window and luckily it happens only about once a week.
: 
: My third problem is that when I switch windows (i.e., to some other program)
: and then switch back, my caps lock is toggled.  I was typing in lowercase
: and then I am typing in uppercase.  It is really annoying when a simple
: window comes up (e.g., "You have new mail") and I click ok (no typing, no
: pressing caps-lock key) the caps lock state changes.  Often the caps lock
: light is not in sync with the caps lock state.
: 
: Sorry to just post problems; I like kermit and K-95 in particular.
: 
These are all Microsoft Windows bugs, not Kermit bugs.  I would estimate
that approximately 50% of our K-95 development time goes into diagnosing,
reporting, and working around Microsoft bugs.

As noted in Item 1 of the BUGS.TXT file, the Ctrl-C problem is known to --
but not fixed by -- Microsoft.

The Caps Lock problem was reported to Microsoft long ago -- at least a year
-- but as far as I know there has not yet been a response.  See BUGS.TXT
Items 224 and 388.

These and many other problems are attributable to Microsoft's half-finished
and neglected Windows 95 / 98 console mode; they do not occur in Windows NT,
and they will not happen in the full-GUI version of Kermit 95, which (yes)
we are still working on, and (no) I can't give a firm date for its release.

I have no idea how your keyboard layout could change out from under you
without your knowledge or consent.  Certainly K-95 is not doing it.

- Frank

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In article <XkOP1.213$1c3.4526137@news1.i1.net>,
Scott Nelson <sbnelson@i1.net> wrote:
: My third problem is that when I switch windows (i.e., to some other program)
: and then switch back, my caps lock is toggled.  I was typing in lowercase
: and then I am typing in uppercase.  It is really annoying when a simple
: window comes up (e.g., "You have new mail") and I click ok (no typing, no
: pressing caps-lock key) the caps lock state changes.  Often the caps lock
: light is not in sync with the caps lock state.

One of the bugs (features) in Windows 95/98 is that Microsoft chose not
to implement support for multiple keyboard layouts in Console applications.
Therefore, we had to do it ourselves within Kermit 95.

If you have installed multiple keyboard layouts in Windows 95/98, then
K95 when it is started will begin with the default layout.  After that
point the Alt-Left Shift and Ctrl-Left Shift combinations are used to
cycle through all of the available layouts.  

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Are there any plans to support the ssh (secure shell) protocol in
future versions of Kermit (either Kermit 95 or C Kermit)?

-- 
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We have wired two computers together using a null modem cable on the
com2 ports of both.  Using MS Kermit, we have transferred files from
one to the other using server-client and peer-to-peer transfers.  In
the server-client transfer, we encountered an 84% efficiency at
9600bps whereas we encountered a 72% efficiency at 115,200bps.  

Does anyone know of any reasons for this drop in efficiency?
Does anyone know of any types of bottlenecks there are in this type of
setup that would affect transmission speed and efficiency? 

Thanx in advance.

please email any suggestions to (nijajen@wpi.edu)

				Gordy  [8^/>
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				nijajen@wpi.edu
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Hey,

     How about a blast from the past.... good old kermit-32 for the 
VAX.....   I have resurrected a Vax 3100 from certain doom, but I cannot 
discover a method to actually put any new software onto the system.  
Kermit-32 was on the system in the form of a 1992 saveset, but it fails to 
transfer files successfully with C-kermit 6.0.  Here is the info:

System A:  Intel Linux, internal modem, 38400 bps 
	   C-kermit 6.0

System B:  VaxStation 3100, external modem, no modem control on the serial 
	   port, 9600 bps, alternate typeahead buffer enabled at 2000 
	   chars, Kermit-32 w/ default settings.  This system must use
	   xon-xoff flow, since the serial port is pretty crude.

Basically, I start the transfer and the local kermit-32 begins by creating 
a file with the appropriate name, but fails about 10 seconds later with 
the message "aborted".   I have attempted to match the 80 char block size 
and other parameters.  What am I doing wrong?  Any wisdom appreciated...
	
					-Ed

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In article <6uphqr$79k$1@bigboote.WPI.EDU>,
Gordon Yu Au <nijajen@WPI.EDU> wrote:
: We have wired two computers together using a null modem cable on the
: com2 ports of both.  Using MS Kermit, we have transferred files from
: one to the other using server-client and peer-to-peer transfers.  In
: the server-client transfer, we encountered an 84% efficiency at
: 9600bps whereas we encountered a 72% efficiency at 115,200bps.  
: 
: Does anyone know of any reasons for this drop in efficiency?
:
What kind of PC?  What kind of UARTs on each end?  If they are not 16550A
or better (16-byte FIFO), the CPU is getting an interrupt per character.
Even if the UARTs are buffered, a slow CPU (286, 386, ...) can be a
bottleneck at 115200bps.  Also, the probability of transmission errors
increases with speed.  If Kermit is reporting any retries, that would be
an obvious factor.

Kermit itself can be configured for top efficiency, exceeding 100% for
most types of files, within the capabilities of the hardware.  Use
hardware flow control, long packets, a window size > 1, and minimal
control-character prefixing.

- Frank

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In article <6uplf1$4su$1@ink.msen.com>,
 <ed@please.respond.in.newsgroup> wrote:
: How about a blast from the past.... good old kermit-32 for the 
: VAX.....   I have resurrected a Vax 3100 from certain doom, but I cannot 
: discover a method to actually put any new software onto the system.  
: Kermit-32 was on the system in the form of a 1992 saveset, but it fails to 
: transfer files successfully with C-kermit 6.0.  Here is the info:
: 
: System A:  Intel Linux, internal modem, 38400 bps 
: 	   C-kermit 6.0
: 
: System B:  VaxStation 3100, external modem, no modem control on the serial 
: 	   port, 9600 bps, alternate typeahead buffer enabled at 2000 
: 	   chars, Kermit-32 w/ default settings.  This system must use
: 	   xon-xoff flow, since the serial port is pretty crude.
: 
Right, it is.

: Basically, I start the transfer and the local kermit-32 begins by creating 
: a file with the appropriate name, but fails about 10 seconds later with 
: the message "aborted".
:
How rude.

: I have attempted to match the 80 char block size 
: and other parameters.  What am I doing wrong?  Any wisdom appreciated...
: 	
Kermit-32 doesn't give us much in the way of debugging tools.  First I'd
recommend you crank the serial speed down to 9600 or less on both ends.
Second, make sure the VAX modem is configured for *local* Xon/Xoff flow
control.  Third, make sure the Linux modem is configured for RTS/CTS flow
control, and that Linux C-Kermit has been told to "set flow rts/cts".  Fourth,
look at the VMS MAXBUF parameter -- it might need increasing (lots more about
this in VMS C-Kermit CKVINS.DOC file).  Finally, give the "robust" command to
C-Kermit on Linux.

Then, once you have successfully transferred VMS C-Kermit to your VAX, you
can use it instead of Kermit-32 and in case of further difficulties we will
have better diagnostic tools available.

- Frank

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Hey,

     Thanks for the help so far.... it appears that there IS a debug mode 
in vax kermit-32 circa 1990....  set debug on.  This may have identified 
the problem.  When I turn this on prior to file transfer, I see a number 
of successful packets moving, and then I get:

         " " "U" "s" "e" "5" "6" "K" " " " " "2"
         "4" "1" "-" "3" "2" "9" "3" " " "#" "J"
         " " " " "H" "a" "d" "l" "e" "y" "~" "'"
         " " ":" " " "(" "8" "1" "0" ")" "~" "#"
         " " "u" "s" "e" "~" "%" " " "L" "a" "p"
         "e" "e" "r"
Checksum:  "^" = 62 (dec)
Sending...
Message number: 55 (dec)        Length: 71 (dec)
Message type: E (Error)
Optional data:

         "%" "K" "E" "R" "M" "I" "T" "3" "2" "-"
         "E" "-" "R" "E" "C" "_" "T" "O" "O" "_"
         "B" "I" "G" "," " " "R" "e" "c" "o" "r"
         "d" " " "t" "o" " " "b" "i" "g" " " "f"
         "o" "r" " " "K" "E" "R" "M" "I" "T" "'"
         "s" " " "i" "n" "t" "e" "r" "n" "a" "l"
         " " "b" "u" "f" "f" "e" "r" "s"
Checksum:  "." = 14 (dec)
%KERMIT32-E-REC_TOO_BIG, Record to big for KERMIT's internal buffers
 [Aborted]
Kermit-32>

If, after getting this error, I do a SHOW STATUS inside kermit, I get:

Totals for the last transfer
 Characters sent        407
 Data characters sent   68
 NAKs received          0
 Packets sent           55
 Characters received    4275
 Data characters received 4103
 NAKs sent              0
 Packets received       55
 Effective data rate    1079 baud

Totals since Kermit was started
 Characters sent        407
 Data characters sent   68
 NAKs received          0
 Packets sent           55
 Characters received    4275
 Data characters received 4103
 NAKs sent              0
 Packets received       55
 Effective data rate    1097 baud
Last error: %KERMIT32-E-REC_TOO_BIG, Record to big for KERMIT's internal 
buffers
Kermit-32>

Following Frank's advice on the MAXBUF issue, I fired up VMS sysgen and 
set MAXBUF to 64000, the max value.  I hope this is what I was supposed to 
do.  It did not appear to have any effect.  Also tried robust mode, small 
packets, a few other strange ideas I cooked up myself.  Oh, no terminal 
servers, just me talking to a linux box.  Also tried it to a local ISP 
with a terminal server, just for the hell of it - no change.  Gurus I 
beseech thee!  Whats the deal?
						-Ed

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In article <6us355$s45$1@ink.msen.com>,  <ed@please.reply.in.newsgroup> wrote:
: Thanks for the help so far.... it appears that there IS a debug mode 
: in vax kermit-32 circa 1990....  set debug on.
:
Oh right, I forgot about that.

: Checksum:  "." = 14 (dec)
: %KERMIT32-E-REC_TOO_BIG, Record to big for KERMIT's internal buffers
:
This message means what it says.

: set MAXBUF to 64000, the max value.  I hope this is what I was supposed to 
: do.  It did not appear to have any effect.  Also tried robust mode, small 
: packets, a few other strange ideas I cooked up myself.  Oh, no terminal 
: servers, just me talking to a linux box.  Also tried it to a local ISP 
: with a terminal server, just for the hell of it - no change.  Gurus I 
: beseech thee!  Whats the deal?
: 
The problem is a limitation in Kermit-32.  If I recall correctly, the biggest
record (line of text) it can receive is 4K, so evidently you are sending a
record longer than that.  This probably means Kermit-32 is in text mode.
You'll need to tell it to "set file type binary" or "set file type block".

- Frank

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In article <01bdec1a$17520d00$86d354c2@leon>,
Leonid Khait <lhait@diaspro.com> wrote:
: Are there any cpp866 -> KOI8 char set convertors on QNX ?
: 
Yes, C-Kermit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html

At the C-Kermit prompt, give the following command:

  translate <source-filename> cp866 koi8 <output-filename>

You can also translate while transferring.  For example, if you
are uploading a file from DOS or Windows to QNX, tell the Kermit
program on the DOS or Windows PC to:

  set file type text
  set file character-set cp866
  set transfer character-set cyrillic
  send <filename>

and tell C-Kermit on QNX to:

  set file character-set koi8
  receive

(The sending Kermit automatically tells the receiver about text
mode and what the transfer character-set is.)

- Frank

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I am trying to set up a modem connection and use Kermit to transfer
files, however, I need to restrict Kermit to a particuliar directory
(like how ftp works).  As of now, when I run Kermit, I have full access
to the system, so I need to restict this.

Any advice or assistance wold be appreciated.

Thanks,
Duke

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In article <36128727.8AA6000E@jea.com>, Duke Nguyen  <nguydh@jea.com> wrote:
: I am trying to set up a modem connection and use Kermit to transfer
: files, however, I need to restrict Kermit to a particuliar directory
: (like how ftp works).  As of now, when I run Kermit, I have full access
: to the system, so I need to restict this.
: 
It depends on which Kermit program you are talking about.  One method
that is common to many Kermit programs is to set it up in server mode
after having given it the appropriate CD and DISABLE CD commands.  This
restricts all file access to the directory that was current when the
CD command was given.  In this case, of course, you must also DISABLE
FINISH, to prevent them from getting out of server mode and re-ENABLE'ing
CD.

For receiving files only, some Kermit programs (C-Kermit 6.0 and K-95)
have a SET FILE DOWNLOAD-DIRECTORY command, that causes all incoming
files to go into the specified directory.

The next release of C-Kermit, 7.0, will also be able to take the place of an
FTP server, which is probably more like what you had in mind.  Watch this
space for announcements.

- Frank

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Telnet disconnection due to reboot.

I have a number of users connecting with MS-DOS Kermit telnet sessions 
into Redhat Linux (4.2 & 5.1).  If they close the connection with the 
normal Kermit exit command without first logging off, then the telnet 
session is closed on Linux which is just what I want.  If, however, they 
reboot their PC with ALT CTL DEL then the session stays active.

The reason that this is a problem is that they are running the Pick/D3 
database which has a limited number of active users allowed to be logged 
on at the same time.  If they reboot their PC then that will effectively 
lose one user unless the previous session is automatically logged off.  
Pick has a couple of commands that in theory should deal with the 
situation: DCD-ON and TRAP DCD EXIT.  In other words if DCD is lost then 
the session should be automatically closed.  But it ain't happening...

This is not a Pick specific problem because the same thing happens if they 
just log into Linux.  I don't know if it's a Kermit problem as the 
same thing happens with another Telnet client that I use.

Any suggestions would be gratefully received.

Bill.

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Jeffrey Altman wrote:
> 
> One of the bugs (features) in Windows 95/98 is that Microsoft chose not
> to implement support for multiple keyboard layouts in Console applications.
> Therefore, we had to do it ourselves within Kermit 95.
> 
> If you have installed multiple keyboard layouts in Windows 95/98, then
> K95 when it is started will begin with the default layout.  After that
> point the Alt-Left Shift and Ctrl-Left Shift combinations are used to
> cycle through all of the available layouts.
> 
>     Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
>                  The Kermit Project * Columbia University
>               612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
>   http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

oUCH! (Oops there goes that CAP-LOCK again.)  The Alt-Left Shift
explains
some of the problems I've seen.  My usual way to scroll back a screen
is
to hold down Alt-Left Shift and then press PgUp how many times I need.

I also have another problem.  When the focus goes back to a K95
window,
it transmits the Gold or PF1 Key (Numlock on PC).  Unfortunately many
years 
ago we mapped that on the VAX to launch a program for all our users,
so I
have to wait for it to launch and then exit.

Ray T.

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On 28 Sep 1998 19:39:01 GMT, Adam H. Lewenberg <adam@orion.math.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Are there any plans to support the ssh (secure shell) protocol in
>future versions of Kermit (either Kermit 95 or C Kermit)?

>-- 
>University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics
>INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu   or    lewenber@uiuc.edu
>

Nice question, and amazingly little response so far :-( Think about ssh
vs. kerberos what you want, but some sites make it mandatory to use ssh
connexions by now.

        Cheers, Stefan

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In article <361198E0.829BAABD@aik.tec.sc.us>,
Ray Timmons  <lists@aik.tec.sc.us> wrote:
: Jeffrey Altman wrote:
: > 
: > One of the bugs (features) in Windows 95/98 is that Microsoft chose not
: > to implement support for multiple keyboard layouts in Console applications.
: > Therefore, we had to do it ourselves within Kermit 95.
: > 
: > If you have installed multiple keyboard layouts in Windows 95/98, then
: > K95 when it is started will begin with the default layout.  After that
: > point the Alt-Left Shift and Ctrl-Left Shift combinations are used to
: > cycle through all of the available layouts.
: > 

: oUCH! (Oops there goes that CAP-LOCK again.)  The Alt-Left Shift
: explains
: some of the problems I've seen.  My usual way to scroll back a screen
: is
: to hold down Alt-Left Shift and then press PgUp how many times I need.

Just make sure that when you press Alt-Left_Shift that you press 
PgUp, PgDn, or End at least once.  Then it won't happen.

: I also have another problem.  When the focus goes back to a K95
: window,
: it transmits the Gold or PF1 Key (Numlock on PC).  Unfortunately many
: years 
: ago we mapped that on the VAX to launch a program for all our users,
: so I
: have to wait for it to launch and then exit.

This is the same bug as CapsLock in Win95/98.  When you change focus it
attempts to synchronize the state of the keys and generates an input
key event which is transmitted to K95.  K95 has no way of knowing whether
the event is user generated or system generated.  Therefore, it must
process it.  If you have PF1 assigned to NumLock, then PF1 will be
sent to the host.

You can do what you are doing now, unmap the NumLock key, switch to
Windows NT, or (I hate to say it) don't use Kermit.

It will be interesting to see what Microsoft does over the next six
months.  Last month Microsoft's NT group started shipping a Beta
product called NT Services for Unix Add-On.  This provides a Telnet
daemon for NT and a console based telnet client that uses NT Lan 
Manager authentication and a new NT specific virtual terminal type
to communicate with their Telnetd.  However, because it is a console
client they are going to start to see all of the problems that K95
has with Win95/98.  Maybe they will finally start fix things.
(or maybe not.)

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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In article <F04wA5.DqL@cix.compulink.co.uk>,
Lygo Systems <lsystemsd@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
: Telnet disconnection due to reboot.
: 
: I have a number of users connecting with MS-DOS Kermit telnet sessions 
: into Redhat Linux (4.2 & 5.1).  If they close the connection with the 
: normal Kermit exit command without first logging off, then the telnet 
: session is closed on Linux which is just what I want.  If, however, they 
: reboot their PC with ALT CTL DEL then the session stays active.
: 
: The reason that this is a problem is that they are running the Pick/D3 
: database which has a limited number of active users allowed to be logged 
: on at the same time.  If they reboot their PC then that will effectively 
: lose one user unless the previous session is automatically logged off.  
: Pick has a couple of commands that in theory should deal with the 
: situation: DCD-ON and TRAP DCD EXIT.  In other words if DCD is lost then 
: the session should be automatically closed.  But it ain't happening...
: 
: This is not a Pick specific problem because the same thing happens if they 
: just log into Linux.  I don't know if it's a Kermit problem as the 
: same thing happens with another Telnet client that I use.
: 
: Any suggestions would be gratefully received.
: 
: Bill.

The problem is not in Kermit.  The problem is that there is no way
for a TCP/IP application to determine that the other end of the 
socket is no longer valid unless it attempts to send data.  

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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In article <6uookl$njm$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
Adam H. Lewenberg <adam@orion.math.uiuc.edu> wrote:
: Are there any plans to support the ssh (secure shell) protocol in
: future versions of Kermit (either Kermit 95 or C Kermit)?

The quick answer is 'Yes'.  The long answer is "SSH support is not
necessarily what you want to do" and I will explain that later on.

In fact, if you look in the archives of this newsgroup you will find
that last March I posted an article asking for users interested in
testing SSH support for Kermit 95 to contact me.  At the time I had
taken the Unix SSHv1 distribution which is copyright SSH
Communications and modified it to run as a DLL based session handler
for Kermit 95.  In general it worked well but due to the poor design
of the SSH code, when an SSH error occurred the DLL would terminate
the K95 process.  Not quite what a user would want.  

When 1.1.16 was released it was my intention to ship it with
Kerberos 4, Kerberos 5, SRP, and SSH.  However, since Kermit 95
is a commercial product we would need to pay licensing fees to 
Data Fellows for the use of their code; and we would need to 
pay patent licensing fees for the RSA algorithms which are required
by SSHv1.  Remember, The Kermit Project is a self funding not-for-
profit.  If we were to license RSA or SSH for Kermit 95 the cost
of the product would have to increase.  If we were to license it
for C-Kermit we would have to start charging.  The money must come 
from somewhere.

SSHv2 was also very close to being completed.  The benefits of 
SSHv2 are that it does not use the RSA algorithms for key exchange
instead using the Diffie-Hellman algorithm whose patent expired
last year.  That means it doesn't require a patent license.  SSHv2 
also closes some rather bad weaknesses in the security provided 
by SSHv1.  SSHv2 is also an IETF Standards Track protocol.  This means 
that there will have to be multiple interoperable implementations
some of which we assume will be free and not requiring licensing
payments to Data Fellows.  This is especially important due to the
language of the new SSH Communications license for non-commerical
use of SSH which makes it impossible for a University such as
Columbia to install SSH on a machine if it will ever be used for
an system administration function (such as logging in as root).

At the present time there are several projects underway to implement
a Free SSHv2 library.  When that is complete we will integrate it
into Kermit.

There are some other things to be aware of.  Although the IETF 
has a working group which is managing the SSHv2 process, my 
impression is that the IETF does not see SSHv2 as being anything 
more than a very short term method for secure connections.  Long term
the IETF solution is IPSec.  The medium term solution is TLSv1 (the
successor to SSL).  TLSv1 is being added to almost every protocol
in use on the Internet today in order to add transport layer security
while we wait for IPSec to become fully deployed.  The Telnet option
for TLS is working its way through the standards process and the
Kermit Project is a part of that.  I have already implemented it
in C-Kermit and Kermit 95 using Eric Young's SSLeay package which 
is freely available.  I will have a telnetd that implements it sometime
over the next couple of weeks.  

The current state of affairs is rather unfortunate.  SSHv1 is widely
deployed and due to the licensing terms of its inventor will probably 
not migrate to SSHv2 at a rapid pace.  SSHv1 cannot be implemented 
legally within the United States without incurring a significant cost.
SSHv2 is a better protocol but freeware versions are not yet available 
and even if they were would most likely not meet your needs due to
the lack of migration from SSHv1.

When we do implement secure connections we can't export them.  So
adding SSH does not help our worldwide friends one bit and once we add
calls to secure routines in C-Kermit it makes it impossible for us to
distribute the full source code set for C-Kermit on the Internet due
to the same export restrictions imposed by the U.S. Government.

So the end result is that while we want to provide support for
every security method available on the Internet we are not always
able to so in a timely manner given the environment within which the 
Kermit Project operates.  There are competing demands for our limited
resources and we can't always do what seems like the nature

As a post script, there is a little known interface in Kermit 95 which
is documented at ftp://ftp.kermit-project.org/kermit/k95/k95dll/ which
was designed to allow a customer to implement a proprietary driver for
K95 could be used to implement SSH by a group outside of the Kermit
Project.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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In article <F04wA5.DqL@cix.compulink.co.uk>,
Lygo Systems <lsystemsd@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
: Telnet disconnection due to reboot.
: 
: I have a number of users connecting with MS-DOS Kermit telnet sessions 
: into Redhat Linux (4.2 & 5.1).  If they close the connection with the 
: normal Kermit exit command without first logging off, then the telnet 
: session is closed on Linux which is just what I want.  If, however, they 
: reboot their PC with ALT CTL DEL then the session stays active.
: 
: The reason that this is a problem is that they are running the Pick/D3 
: database which has a limited number of active users allowed to be logged 
: on at the same time.  If they reboot their PC then that will effectively 
: lose one user unless the previous session is automatically logged off.  
: Pick has a couple of commands that in theory should deal with the 
: situation: DCD-ON and TRAP DCD EXIT.  In other words if DCD is lost then 
: the session should be automatically closed.  But it ain't happening...
: 
By design, it is not possible for the application on one end of a TCP/IP
connection to detect that the connection is broken, except by trying to send
data on the connection (as Jeff pointed out).  Remember, TCP/IP is not a
point-to-point connection like you get with a modem (which has a constant,
out-of-band carrier signal that gives the status of the connection), nor is
it a virtual circuit as in X.25.  In fact, IP packets are datagrams that can
arrive (or not) from any direction at any time at all.  Datagrams are a
feature of a connectionless protocol, which, in a sense, means there is no
connection at the IP level.

There is a little-used keepalive mechanism at the TCP level to allow the end
partners of a TCP session to detect when there has been no activity for a
certain amount of time, but even when it is used, the timeout is generally
set an an hour or more.

In general, it is each application's responsibility to monitor the
connection in some application-specific way.  For example, a UNIX login
shell might time out and exit if there has been no i/o for (say) 20 minutes.
However, applications like Telnet do not include any *active* form of
monitoring.  If the server disappears, the client never finds out until the
user presses a key (which causes an i/o attempt on the broken session).  But
if the client disappears, there is no user on the server end to press a key,
so the server might easily wait forever for the next message from the
client.

When Kermit is told to exit, it closes any open connections.  But obviously,
if a PC is turned off, or crashes, neither Kermit nor the underlying TCP/IP
stack have any way to send close messages, and so any connection partners
are left waiting for an indeterminate amount of time for IP packets to
arrive from the great beyond.

I think you will see the same behavior no matter what Telnet client you use.
It's not a Kermit problem; it's a TCP/IP protocol feature.

- Frank

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If you are a registered Kermit 95 user and have installed Microsoft's
NT Services for Unix (Beta 2) which is downloadable from

 http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/News/September1998/NTserv4UNIX.asp?custarea=bus&site=ntw&openmenu=ntwhome&highlighteditem=

and would like to use Kermit 95 as your VTNT terminal, reply to this 
posting via e-mail.

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lsystemsd@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Lygo Systems") writes:

> I have a number of users connecting with MS-DOS Kermit telnet sessions 
> into Redhat Linux (4.2 & 5.1).  If they close the connection with the 
> normal Kermit exit command without first logging off, then the telnet 
> session is closed on Linux which is just what I want.  If, however, they 
> reboot their PC with ALT CTL DEL then the session stays active.
> 
> The reason that this is a problem is that they are running the Pick/D3 
> database which has a limited number of active users allowed to be logged 
> on at the same time.  If they reboot their PC then that will effectively 
> lose one user unless the previous session is automatically logged off.  
> Pick has a couple of commands that in theory should deal with the 
> situation: DCD-ON and TRAP DCD EXIT.  In other words if DCD is lost then 
> the session should be automatically closed.  But it ain't happening...

The TCP connection is implemented over the connectionless IP layer -
there is no "carrier".  The only way that TCP gets to find out that
the PC has been rebooted is if it sends an IP packet.  It only does
this if there's something to send.

There is such a thing as a TCP keepalive option.  This will cause TCP
connections to timeout eventually but not soon.

I guess you could hack the telnetd to send a telnet NOP
periodically as a sort of application level keepalive. 

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Lygo Systems (lsystemsd@cix.compulink.co.uk) wrote:

: I have a number of users connecting with MS-DOS Kermit telnet sessions 
: into Redhat Linux (4.2 & 5.1).  If they close the connection with the 
: normal Kermit exit command without first logging off, then the telnet 
: session is closed on Linux which is just what I want.  If, however, they 
: reboot their PC with ALT CTL DEL then the session stays active.

This is a historical problem with PC users on the 'net ;-)
If the PC logs off, or shuts down TCP in an orderly fashion, the connection
is terminated, but if the connection just "goes away", the Unix side stays
alive for a length of time indicated in the driver...  I believe it is
adjustable as a "KEEPALIVE", but I recall that it wasn't useful for my
application, a few years ago.
The problem seemed to diminish by virtue of Win95, where the TCP driver
stayed "up", instead of earlier systems (like some Mac apps), where the
driver was unloaded abruptly, without a proper disconnect.  I don't know
that the Mac case was a reboot, but the problem can be simulated on a PC by
a reboot.  I doubt that the typical user reboots when finished with a
telnet session, though, so I suspect it is MS-Kermit being terminated
incorrectly.  MSKermit has its own TCP layer, so if it is killed off,
rather than closing the connection, the TCP layer suddenly disappears.  The
distant end doesn't find out until the TCP layer is reloaded at some later
time.  

If you can implement an idle timeout, that should work to break these
connections.  Currently, I implement a separate task, at login time, that
watches the time stamp on the terminal device, and closes the connection if
there is no activity.  Unfortunately, a displayed "clock" in elm keeps
updating the screen, and prevents my idle timer from killing a session if
elm is left running.
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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Jay Bratcher <jayb@onr.com> on the linux-msdos@vger.rutgers.edu list wrote:
> Russell Poyner wrote:
> >
> > I am running a custom database program under dosemu that uses a
> > lot of the fancier text-mode features including IBM graphic
> > characters, overlays, colors and blinking text.  It looks great
> > in xdos and I wonder if anyone knows of a telnet or PC-term type
> > program that I could run on a remote machine that would display
> > this stuff properly.

> > My hardware recycling dream is to run this telnet program on an
> > old 8086 DOS box I have.  The database program is a bit slow when
> > run native on the 8086, but should be fast when run on the server
> > under dosemu and accessed via telnet.

> I think it sounds fairly sane - have you considered kermit?

     I have used Kermit for DOS (MSK) successfully to telnet
from a DOS machine over ethernet to a Linux box and then run
a Clipper application under the DOS emulator.  The DOS machine
used an NE2000 card.  I downloaded the freely available packet
driver for NE2000.  MSK supplied the TCP/IP and telnet.  The
display is pretty good and at least most of the keys are working
ok.  I wasn't able to put MSK into 25 line mode, but I was able
to configure the Clipper application to use only 24 lines.

(I have also used Kermit 95 in this fashion from a Windows 95
machine using W95 networking with good results -- it works fine
in 25-line mode.  I have even used a one-floppy Linux disk to
boot Linux and supply the Ethernet, TCP/IP, and telnet -- of
course this requires at least a '386.)

Here is the CLIPPER.KSC file I use with MSK.  If anyone
tries this and makes any improvements (or figures how to
put MSK in 25-line mode), please post or email me the
details.

; fcs
; Setup keys for DOS Kermit to work with Clipper app under dosemu on linux
; Double up on the \30 for Ctrl-PgDn as it is the escape code in dosemu
set key \1398 \30\30  ; Ctrl-PageDown
set key \5494 \30\30  ; Gray-Ctrl-PageDown
set key \1412 \31     ; Ctrl-PageUp
set key \5508 \31     ; Gray-Ctrl-PageUp

set key \337  \3      ; PageDown
set key \4433 \3      ; Gray-PageDown
set key \329  \18     ; PageUp
set key \4425 \18     ; Gray-PageUp

set key \327  \1      ; Home
set key \4423 \1      ; Home
set key \335  \6      ; End
set key \4431 \6      ; End

set key \315   \28       ; K_F1
set key \316   \x1B[[B   ; K_F2  use the K95 sequence
set key \317   \x1B[[C   ; K_F3  use the K95 sequence
set key \318   \x1B[[D   ; K_F4  use the K95 sequence
set key \319   \x1B[[E   ; K_F5
set key \320   \x1B[17~  ; K_F6
set key \321   \x1B[18~  ; K_F7
set key \322   \x1B[19~  ; K_F8
set key \323   \x1B[20~  ; K_F9
set key \324   \x1B[21~  ; K_F10
set key \389   \x1B[22~  ; K_F11
set key \390   \x1B[23~  ; K_F12

; I'd like to do the following for Alt-C, but it comes
;  out as \46 instead of \302
;set key \2147 \302    ; Alt-C

;set mode-line on
set mode-line off

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In article <GO+E2Yv1u0EN084yn@eskimo.com>,
Frank Sergeant <frank.sergeant@pobox.com> wrote:

: ; I'd like to do the following for Alt-C, but it comes
: ;  out as \46 instead of \302
: ;set key \2147 \302    ; Alt-C
: 

46 = 302 % 256

you want

set key \2147 \{30}2

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
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In article <36128727.8AA6000E@jea.com>, Duke Nguyen <nguydh@jea.com> writes:
> I am trying to set up a modem connection and use Kermit to transfer
> files, however, I need to restrict Kermit to a particuliar directory
> (like how ftp works).  As of now, when I run Kermit, I have full access
> to the system, so I need to restict this.
> 
> Any advice or assistance wold be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Duke
---------
	How depends upon which Kermit you are using. Please do specify
that, the version, and o/s too. ENABLE/DISABLE are the commands used in
MS-DOS Kermit, and each takes an optional time to deal with (use ? for
the item to get a list of them).
	Joe D.

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Hi,

   I have a sun running solaris on a network and another sun
home. Do you know how to transfer files using kermit
after dailing from a home sun to a network sun?

After I submitted "receive file", the kermit
responded "Return to your local Kermit and give 
a SEND command...KERMIT READY TO RECEIVE..."
How do I return to local kermit on a sun?

Thanks  much,
J Sun
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In article <361503E5.2F6B5EC5@sun.cwru.edu>,
Jiayang Sun  <jiayang@sun.cwru.edu> wrote:
:    I have a sun running solaris on a network and another sun
: home. Do you know how to transfer files using kermit
: after dailing from a home sun to a network sun?
: 
: After I submitted "receive file", the kermit
: responded "Return to your local Kermit and give 
: a SEND command...KERMIT READY TO RECEIVE..."
: How do I return to local kermit on a sun?
: 
Ctrl-\ followed by the letter "c".

- Frank


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sad@utk.edu wrote:
>>Are there any plans to support the ssh (secure shell) protocol in
>>future versions of Kermit (either Kermit 95 or C Kermit)?
>
>Nice question, and amazingly little response so far :-( Think about ssh
>vs. kerberos what you want, but some sites make it mandatory to use ssh
>connexions by now.

SSH probably won't be in Kermit due to licensing restrictions.

But... you can easily setup port forwarding with SSH and have Kermit connect
through it.  With a little scripting, you can make it seamless.
-- 
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If your TCP connections disappear suddenly, I would suggest logging
into your Linux systems as an appropriately privileged user (the
UID that began your Pick session or the superuser) and send the shell
or Pick a hangup signal.  Also, that DCD stuff in Pick may be
necessary.  Of course, this is a manual process and doesn't help you
much if it needs to be automated.

Also, if your Pick users are individuals (each has a separate
login...e.g., not a shared login), in their login script (.profile,
.login, or whatever is appropriate for the "shell" they run), you
could search out any Pick or user shell process owned by that user,
and "hang up" on it (parse the output of ps with perl or awk).  Or,
you might allow each user up to "n" number of Pick processes, count
them in the ps listing, and kill off excess instances of the program.
Hint: sort the ps output by UID with "ps auxOU" (the "OU" part).
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Trying to figure out how to get Kermit to play with internal modem...
Found references to K95CINIT, tried to run it, but still getting msg
about unable to use port. I noticed that when I run K95CINIT, a window
pops up very briefly, and it looks like the port being initialized is
COM1 - but my modem is COM2. Is there something I need to be doing to
tell K95CINIT _which_ port is to be initialized?

TIA,
Dave Stephens

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In article <3618dc68.1093183@news.swbell.net>,
David Stephens <underlay@swbell.net> wrote:
: Trying to figure out how to get Kermit to play with internal modem...
: Found references to K95CINIT, tried to run it, but still getting msg
: about unable to use port. I noticed that when I run K95CINIT, a window
: pops up very briefly, and it looks like the port being initialized is
: COM1 - but my modem is COM2. Is there something I need to be doing to
: tell K95CINIT _which_ port is to be initialized?
: 
: TIA,
: Dave Stephens


K95CINIT.EXE <port>

as in K95CINIT.EXE COM2

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Can anyone out there who can email me an example of a script
that logs into a remote system and get's a file?

I think I got everything down except how to do this non interactively
If I run the script it asks me for a login and password.
I need to run this script from cron and I can't seem to get the user and
password
defined.

Thanks,
cignac@erols.com

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"Karl Stratman" <Strat.GT@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> I'm interested in porting 18MB on 5.25" RX50 DEC floppies to
> 3.5" IBM floppies.  I have a DEC DECMATE WPS Op. System.  The RX50's are
> single-sided, unique density, unique RPM drives and cannot be read from a
> IBM 5.25" drive.  The DECMATE WPS has minimal formatting embedded in the
> files, much like WIN/NOTEPAD.
> 
> I'm told that if I use a null-modem cable (with 2 wires crossed) to hook
> my DECMATE to my PC, and that if I use kermit or Window's hyperterminal,
> that I then ought to be able to convert the 46 diskettes, one file at a
> time, using serial communications, much like driving a daisy-wheel
> printer from my DECMATE, or like reading from a serial-port from my IBM.  
> 
> Will this work?  Do I need one or two copies of KERMIT?  Any other tips?
>  
Yes, you will need two copies of Kermit.  On Win95, you can take your chances
with HyperTerminal, which we do not support, or you can use Kermit 95:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

which we do.  The situation on the DECmate is a lot more complicated.  We do
have a Kermit program for it, but we don't have any way of giving it to you
on diskette.  So you'll need to find some way to do that yourself, unless you
can find somebody else (perhaps the DECUS library) that can send you the
DECmate version of Kermit on RX50.  You might also try one of the DEC-oriented
newsgroups.

You can find DECmate Kermit at:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/d/k12*.*

Good luck!

- Frank


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Chris Cigna (cignac@erols.com) wrote:
: I think I got everything down except how to do this non interactively
: If I run the script it asks me for a login and password.

If you don't mind having your password sitting somewhere as plain text, you
could use Kermit-95 to generate the scripts for you, which then, through
the magic of Kermit portability, would run on SunOS.

In K-95, if you "create an icon" for an entry where you have already
supplied a login name and password, that icon points to a script,
which, along with login.scr, will reside in your Kermit-95 scripts
directory.

Use those as examples of how to login.

I suppose if you wanted to obfuscate the password, you could have a
small program with an internally scrambled stored password, which would
invoke kermit with a command line argument containing the password.

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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I'm using the latest Alpha of Ms-KERMIT V3.16 (I believe it's Alpha.05).
As I use a speech synthesizer/screen-reader software to read the screen, I
set things to keep the verbage to a minimum.  Among other things, this
means "SET MODE-LINE OFF".

My problem:  If one does a "SET TERMINAL TYPE ANSI", then "CONNECT",
whatever one is going to do, then escapes back to the MS-KERMIT prompt,
sets the terminal-type to anything else such as "SET TERMINAL TYPE VT320",
then does another "CONNECT", my MODE_LINE setting is forgotten, i.e., the
little blurb about which keystrokes do what is displayed even though I
have done a "SET MODE-LINE OFF" in my initialization.  To me, this is more
than a feature; it's a bug. :-) :-) Obviously, now that I've figured out
what the problem is, I can go back in and reset MODE_LINE but it would be
nice if I didn't have to.

Mike Freeman; Internet: mikef@pacifier.com; Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ
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On the C-Kermit side, try SET ATTRIBUTE OFF.  Although Kermit-32
understands packets up to 1Kb in length, I do not believe it supports
attribute packets.  I have it here and will fire it up after a while and
see.

Mike Freeman; Internet: mikef@pacifier.com; Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ
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In article <361a73fa.0@news.pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes:
> I'm using the latest Alpha of Ms-KERMIT V3.16 (I believe it's Alpha.05).
> As I use a speech synthesizer/screen-reader software to read the screen, I
> set things to keep the verbage to a minimum.  Among other things, this
> means "SET MODE-LINE OFF".
> 
> My problem:  If one does a "SET TERMINAL TYPE ANSI", then "CONNECT",
> whatever one is going to do, then escapes back to the MS-KERMIT prompt,
> sets the terminal-type to anything else such as "SET TERMINAL TYPE VT320",
> then does another "CONNECT", my MODE_LINE setting is forgotten, i.e., the
> little blurb about which keystrokes do what is displayed even though I
> have done a "SET MODE-LINE OFF" in my initialization.  To me, this is more
> than a feature; it's a bug. :-) :-) Obviously, now that I've figured out
> what the problem is, I can go back in and reset MODE_LINE but it would be
> nice if I didn't have to.
---------
	It's not so much a bug, annoying as it may be, as it is a 
consequence of forcing off the mode line when ANSI terminal type is selected.
Changing to another terminal type puts the mode line back to default ON
condition. It is a question of not wanting too many layers of rememberence,
and far too many if (terminal_type == ansi) {...}; special cases all over
in the code.
	I suggest an easy workaround to reduce typing. Define a macro which
sets the terminal kind and mode line, and another for each different kind
of terminal and operating condition. I use this extensively here when
talking to different machines, particularly between Unix flavor (where
the BackSpace key sends BS) and VMS etc flavors (where it sends DEL).
Then just state the name of the macro at the Kermit prompt to have its
contents read as Kermit commands.
	Test example:
	def fooup echo this is macro fooup, echo another line, echo last line
	def foodown echo this is macro foodown, echo line two, echo last line
or	def ansi set term ansi
	def vt320 set term vt320, set mode-line off
and so on.
	I hope this helps.
        Joe D.

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I am a doctor in hospital. nam John Paul II in Zamosc.I am joining
with neurphysiology.In my lab I have electromyograph Phasis II made
by Esaotebiomedica.The Phasis posses VERSAdos operating system.The
Esaotebiomedica gave me a program which calls PHCOM.The original aim
of this program is to make hardcopy of current screen of  Phasis ,
send it to PC and save  as *.pcx file.The program PHCOM is based on
KERMIT and/or XMODEM protocol.The help file in PHCOM program was
cleared by Esaotebiomedica -I assume not to use the program to any
other purposes.Due to presence of this (mainly Kermit) protocols I
recognised structure of directory hard disk on Phasis.I have found
similar program which uses Kermit or Xmodem protocol on Phasis to transfer
the files to PC.I made o lot of effort ( I'am not computer sciences
engeneer) to transfer for example single patient catalog from Phasis
to PC- succesfully.The main aim of my effort is, to make with
cooperation with some other person the program which will compare the data
from single patient's catalog on Phasis to normative data of
reffering tests(e.g.nerve conduction velocity) on PC; make the final
report and send it to hospital network of UNIX.The problem is that
sometimes transfer of data is quite good(in ASCII or binary mode-I
prefer ASCII) sometimes transfer stopps and appears message about
program errors.In  a couple of minutes appears next massage:
....Maximum errors reached.Transfer cancelled by remote
operator.(over 21 errors).
When I typed in command window in PHCOM program word: ver. -the program
answered...Crosstalk XVI ver.3,71.
Can anybody send me a full version of help file to Crosstalk XVI?

The list of commands looks as follows:

                           List of Crosstalk commands


    NAme      NUmber    ANswback  APrefix   ATten     AWrap     BReak
    DEbug     DPrefix   DRive     DSuffix   EDit      EMulate   EPath
    FIlter    HKey      POrt      PWord     RDials    RQest     SCreen
    SNapshot  SStep     SUmmary   SWitch    TImer     TKey      TUrnarnd
    VIdeo     ACcept    CWait     DNames    FKeys     GO        INfilter
    LFauto    LOad      LWait     MOde      QUit      RUn       SAve
    SEnd      TErminat  XDos      BKsize    BLankex   BYe       CApture
    CDir      COmmand   CStatus   DAta      DIr       DO        DUplex
    ERase     FLow      GKermit   HAndshak  HElp      KErmit    LBreak
    LIst      MAxerrs   NO        OUtfiltr  PArity    PIcture   PMode
    PRinter   RCve      RKermit   RXmodem   SPeed     STop      TAbex
    TYpe      UConly    WRite     XKermit   XMit      XType     XXmodem


For more information on a command, type "help xx" where "xx" is the command
name (for example, "help LO" for information on the LOad command).
If you need more general help, type "help general" or "help call".

 =Command..
For more information on a command, type "help xx" where "xx" is the command
name (for example, "help LO" for information on the LOad command).
If you need more general help, type "help general" or "help call".
= help call..
 Crosstalk HELP directory not found... no help available. Sorry.  press
ENTER:

Wladyslaw Dolomisiewicz
e mail: dolomis@szpital.zamosc.tpnet.pl

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Any reason I should be having problems transfering files from Procomm DOS to
a PC running Kermit server?

Steve

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1. If you have any terminal emulator at all...

2. and have a way to go from ascii plaintext to a runnable image,

I uploaded kermit to a DEC VT180 Robin by:

Start term proggie

setup a time delay on the host  to type the ascii code at you.

exit term proggie,

use a pip command to copy the input from terminal line/modem into a file

it took me 3 tries to get a kermit running roughly enough to support
a download, but it worked, 

i then downloaded kermit again with the downloaded image to ensure
i had a good copy..

good luck, dunno if any of this will help...  it's been years since
i've seen a decmate.

Frank da Cruz wrote:
> 
> "Karl Stratman" <Strat.GT@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> > I'm interested in porting 18MB on 5.25" RX50 DEC floppies to
> > 3.5" IBM floppies.  I have a DEC DECMATE WPS Op. System.  The RX50's are
> > single-sided, unique density, unique RPM drives and cannot be read from a
> > IBM 5.25" drive.  The DECMATE WPS has minimal formatting embedded in the
> > files, much like WIN/NOTEPAD.
> >
> > I'm told that if I use a null-modem cable (with 2 wires crossed) to hook
> > my DECMATE to my PC, and that if I use kermit or Window's hyperterminal,
> > that I then ought to be able to convert the 46 diskettes, one file at a
> > time, using serial communications, much like driving a daisy-wheel
> > printer from my DECMATE, or like reading from a serial-port from my IBM.
> >
> > Will this work?  Do I need one or two copies of KERMIT?  Any other tips?
> >
> Yes, you will need two copies of Kermit.  On Win95, you can take your chances
> with HyperTerminal, which we do not support, or you can use Kermit 95:
> 
>   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
> 
> which we do.  The situation on the DECmate is a lot more complicated.  We do
> have a Kermit program for it, but we don't have any way of giving it to you
> on diskette.  So you'll need to find some way to do that yourself, unless you
> can find somebody else (perhaps the DECUS library) that can send you the
> DECmate version of Kermit on RX50.  You might also try one of the DEC-oriented
> newsgroups.
> 
> You can find DECmate Kermit at:
> 
>   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/d/k12*.*
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> - Frank

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Can kermit for MS-DOS emulate terminal type Wyse60?
I have kermit for ms-dos version 3.14.

Thanks for help
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In article <361B5412.EE4E48B0@zt.bialap.tpsa.pl>,
Szczepan Pekala  <hepi@zt.bialap.tpsa.pl> wrote:
: Can kermit for MS-DOS emulate terminal type Wyse60?
: I have kermit for ms-dos version 3.14.
: 
No.  MS-DOS Kermit only emulates the Wyse 50.

Kermit 95 emulates the Wyse 60 terminal.  
<http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html>

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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In article <6vetl2$a1v$1@sparky.wolfe.net>, Baus <baus@wolfenet.com> wrote:
: Any reason I should be having problems transfering files from Procomm DOS to
: a PC running Kermit server?
: 
There could be any number of reasons.  Why don't you prepare a full report
stating the connection type and characteristics, communications and protocol
settings on each end, machine types and OS, etc, and send it to:

  kermit-support@columbia.edu

- Frank

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Baus (baus@wolfenet.com) wrote:
: Any reason I should be having problems transfering files from Procomm DOS to
: a PC running Kermit server?

Early ProcommDOS was pathetically slow for Kermit, with limited packet
sizes.  Later Procomm allowed larger packets, and even "superkermit",
their name for a decent kermit implementation.

But... No, Procomm should work fine, as would MSKermit.

Kermit is available on the Internet via anonymous ftp from host 
watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit

kermit/read.me kermit/bin/read.me explain file locations.
-- 
---
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                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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In article <6v0b8l$ppa$1@samba.rahul.net> dold@network.rahul.net writes:
>Lygo Systems (lsystemsd@cix.compulink.co.uk) wrote:
>
>: I have a number of users connecting with MS-DOS Kermit telnet sessions 
>: into Redhat Linux (4.2 & 5.1).  If they close the connection with the 
>: normal Kermit exit command without first logging off, then the telnet 
>: session is closed on Linux which is just what I want.  If, however, they 
>: reboot their PC with ALT CTL DEL then the session stays active.

Depending on the shell that the users  use on the Linux box, one could
have the shell implement an idle timeout.  The Bourne Again Shell, bash,
has such a feature.  So if the user doesn't enter commands for a while
it closes the shell which in turn would close down the telnet session.
This feature is discussed in the O'Reilly BASH book.

Matthew H. Gerlach

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Have been playing with kermit this last week, using the the "USING KERMIT_C
book. What I cannot figure out is how to transfer to kermit from a non kermit
client. Is this possible.  And if so is it possible to to configure Kermit to
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In article <6vg8hl$2cc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
 <bdlpxxx@bellatlantic.com> wrote:
: Have been playing with kermit this last week, using the the "USING KERMIT_C
: book. What I cannot figure out is how to transfer to kermit from a non kermit
: client. Is this possible.  And if so is it possible to to configure Kermit to
: receive files via XMODEM?
: 
See Chapter 14.  Also see the Kermit FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

item 38 (third from the last).

- Frank

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To be more exact, I can transfer files between Procomm and Kermit server if
I hook two computers directly but not when using a modem.

What modem settings should I be looking at?

Thanks,
Steve

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Matthew H. Gerlach (gerlach@netcom.com) wrote:

: Depending on the shell that the users  use on the Linux box, one could
: have the shell implement an idle timeout.  The Bourne Again Shell, bash,

This should only be effective when sitting at a shell prompt.
If they are at a prompt within a program, the shell timeout doesn't occur.

-- 
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What is the current status of 6.0 193?? Last update I know about was beta
5. Frank?????

Mike G.

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In article <6vh72p$iu0@panix2.panix.com>, Mike G. <mgebhard@panix.com> wrote:
: What is the current status of 6.0 193?? Last update I know about was beta
: 5. Frank?????
: 
We didn't forget it :-)  In fact, we have been putting so much work into it
we're going to forget about the 6.1 designation and call it 7.0.  Watch this
space for announcements.

- Frank

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In article <6vdcne$shn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote:
>"Karl Stratman" <Strat.GT@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'm interested in porting 18MB on 5.25" RX50 DEC floppies to
>> 3.5" IBM floppies.  I have a DEC DECMATE WPS Op. System.  The RX50's are
>> single-sided, unique density, unique RPM drives and cannot be read from a
>> IBM 5.25" drive.  The DECMATE WPS has minimal formatting embedded in the
>> files, much like WIN/NOTEPAD.

Try asking on comp.sys.dec.micro, comp.sys.dec, and/or alt.sys.pdp8. The
RX50s are _not_ "unique density" and can, in fact, be read by a
high-density IBM 5.25" drive. There is a variety of software available
to do so on the net, but I do not recall offhand whether there is
software available to read the WPS disk format (all of my DECmate IIs
run OS/278 and CP/M).
>> 
>> I'm told that if I use a null-modem cable (with 2 wires crossed) to hook
>> my DECMATE to my PC, and that if I use kermit or Window's hyperterminal,
>> that I then ought to be able to convert the 46 diskettes, one file at a
>> time, using serial communications, much like driving a daisy-wheel
>> printer from my DECMATE, or like reading from a serial-port from my IBM.  
>> 
>> Will this work?  Do I need one or two copies of KERMIT?  Any other tips?
>>  
>Yes, you will need two copies of Kermit.  On Win95, you can take your chances
>with HyperTerminal, which we do not support, or you can use Kermit 95:

No, you'll only need one copy of KERMIT. As far as I know, there is not
a version of KERMIT for WPS (yes, there are DECmate kermits for both
CP/M and OS/278, but not for WPS). It may be possible to take a WPS
document from WPS to OS/278 or CP/M and, from there, to the PC via KERMIT.
Diskette images of OS/278 and CP/M are available somewhere on the net,
along with tools to build copies of the diskettes on a PC.
But I don't recall where, offhand. To run CP/M, you would need the
optional APU card, which contains a Z80, but OS/278 will run on an
unmodified DECmate.

Using a single copy of KERMIT on a PC, you can capture the serial port
to a file (by, say, issuing LOG SESSION or its equivalent and CONNECTing
to the port) then use WPS' document upload features (there's an uploader
called CX somewhere in the system; I don't remember how to get there
because it's been so long since I've used it) to pipe the document out
the comm port. I used to use CX to send documents to a VAX occasionally,
so I know it's possible.

>  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/d/k12*.*

This is KERMIT for OS/278; it won't run under WPS.
-- 
Roger Ivie
Design Analysis Associates
75 West 100 South
Logan, UT  84321
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In article <6vj24i$qtf$1@samba.rahul.net>, dold@79.usenet.us.com wrote:
>
>Oh, _that_ kind of drive!
>I have a Convergent MiniFrame with a 96TPI 5.25inch diskette, capable of
>reading and writing MSDOS diskettes recognizable as 720K.

RX50 is single-sided, 96TPI, 250KHz MFM, 512-byte sectors, 10
sectors/track. There's software interleave. The disks are not MS-DOS
formatted, so mtools won't be able to do much with them. WPS also uses
the floppies in "12-bit mode" (the DECmate is a 12-bit machine), which
also has implications for the floppy format (basically, only 12 out of
every 16 bits is valid, but I don't know how they're distributed
throughout the diskette).

-- 
Roger Ivie
Design Analysis Associates
75 West 100 South
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Anybody interested in full emulation of IBM, DEC, Data General, Hewlett
Packard, Siemens Nixdorf, or other terminals in Unicode-based terminal
emulation software probably knows that Unicode lacks some of the special
characters used by these terminals.

Work to add them, along with additional debugging capabilities (e.g. for
graphical display of control characters, hex dumps, etc), is in progress.
The current working paper can be found at:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/charsets/ucsterminal.txt

Comments and suggestions welcome.  Follow up to comp.protocols.kermit.misc, 
or by email to me.

Thanks.

Frank da Cruz
The Kermit Project
Columbia University
fdc@columbia.edu

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What about the GUI beta on Win32 ;) ?
-tsb

Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6vif33$m07$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <6vh72p$iu0@panix2.panix.com>, Mike G. <mgebhard@panix.com>
wrote:
>: What is the current status of 6.0 193?? Last update I know about was beta
>: 5. Frank?????
>:
>We didn't forget it :-)  In fact, we have been putting so much work into it
>we're going to forget about the 6.1 designation and call it 7.0.  Watch
this
>space for announcements.



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In article <slrn71q80r.21d.rivie@rivie.daautah.com>,
Roger Ivie <rivie@daa-utah.com> wrote:
>WPS also uses
>the floppies in "12-bit mode" (the DECmate is a 12-bit machine), which
>also has implications for the floppy format (basically, only 12 out of
>every 16 bits is valid, but I don't know how they're distributed
>throughout the diskette).

The DECmate word is the low 12 bits of each 16-bit word (in PDP-11 byte order),
so you waste half of every other byte.  Not like the RX01/02 formats, where
the bits are concatenated, so you waste the last 1/4 of each sector (being
consistant would be too easy!).

PUTR.COM can take/restore binary images of RX50s but doesn't know the WPS
file system, only OS/278.  Doesn't either WPS or OS/278 have a program that
can access floppies from the other OS?  If so you could do it in two hops,
assuming you still have a live DECmate.  http://www.dbit.com/pub/putr/.

John Wilson
D Bit

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In article <6vjhbr$f19$1@elle.eunet.no>,
Terje Sten Bjerkseth <tsb@infotron.no> wrote:
: What about the GUI beta on Win32 ;) ?
:
We're still working on that too.  First there will be one more major release
of the console version, before the end of 1998, hopefully concurrent with
version 7.0 of C-Kermit.  Then full-tilt on the GUI conversion.  And no, we
do not intend to abandon the console version (a surprising number of K-95
users have indicated that even when the GUI version is available, they would
prefer to have console version).

- Frank

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Roger Ivie (rivie@rivie.daautah.com) wrote:
: Try asking on comp.sys.dec.micro, comp.sys.dec, and/or alt.sys.pdp8. The
: RX50s are _not_ "unique density" and can, in fact, be read by a
: high-density IBM 5.25" drive. There is a variety of software available
: to do so on the net, but I do not recall offhand whether there is
: software available to read the WPS disk format (all of my DECmate IIs
: run OS/278 and CP/M).

Oh, _that_ kind of drive!
I have a Convergent MiniFrame with a 96TPI 5.25inch diskette, capable of
reading and writing MSDOS diskettes recognizable as 720K.
Via Unix "dd", I might be capable of writing files usable in the RX50.
Maybe "mtools", the tool I use for reading and writing MSDOS diskettes, is
available for the RX50.  That would make moving the Kermit binary simple.

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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In article <6vjo8r$1bp$1@samba.rahul.net>, dold@79.usenet.us.com wrote:
>I mentioned mtools because it affords the opportunity for the MiniFrame to
>import/export MSDOS files.  I thought a port of mtools on the DecMate might
>allow it to read MSDOS diskettes, not that mtools would read the DEC
>diskettes.

Good luck finding a C compiler that puts out PDP-8 code. I've done a bit
of futzing about with James Hendrix' Small C in this regard, but
nothing either usable (yet) or sophisticated enough to deal with
mtools.
-- 
Roger Ivie
Design Analysis Associates
75 West 100 South
Logan, UT  84321
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In article <6vga4e$emf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
  fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
> In article <6vg8hl$2cc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
>  <bdlpxxx@bellatlantic.com> wrote:
> : Have been playing with kermit this last week, using the the "USING KERMIT_C
> : book. What I cannot figure out is how to transfer to kermit from a non
kermit
> : client. Is this possible.  And if so is it possible to to configure Kermit
to
> : receive files via XMODEM?
> :
> See Chapter 14.  Also see the Kermit FAQ:
>
>   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
>   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt
>
> item 38 (third from the last).
>
> - Frank
>

Thanks Frank, I was familiar with that FAQ.  Apparently my [rs][xz] pieces do
use stdio.  I have been able to send/recieve xmodem and zmodem between two
unix machines both using kermit.  At the end of chapt 14 was my answer
though.  I cannot use the external protocols with a kermit server.  I have
been able to run ./kermit -y Z -r  where Z is a script for setting up Zmodem.
 In fact I then figured i could go to the source ./rz and skip the kermit
server.  I had been hoping to have a kermit server sit and answer the phone. 
But it does not seem I will be able to go in that direction.

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In article <6vlodg$ai2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
 <bdlpxxx@bellatlantic.com> wrote:
: 
: Thanks Frank, I was familiar with that FAQ.  Apparently my [rs][xz] pieces do
: use stdio.  I have been able to send/recieve xmodem and zmodem between two
: unix machines both using kermit.  At the end of chapt 14 was my answer
: though.  I cannot use the external protocols with a kermit server.  I have
: been able to run ./kermit -y Z -r  where Z is a script for setting up Zmodem.
:  In fact I then figured i could go to the source ./rz and skip the kermit
: server.  I had been hoping to have a kermit server sit and answer the phone. 
: But it does not seem I will be able to go in that direction.
: 
Unless you use Kermit protocol, which seems a realistic possibility since
you do, indeed, have C-Kermit on each end of the connection.

You can't use non-Kermit protocols with a Kermit server because a Kermit
server, by definition, uses Kermit protocol.

- Frank

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In article <slrn71scjd.4e3.rivie@rivie.daautah.com>,
Roger Ivie <rivie@daa-utah.com> wrote:
>Good luck finding a C compiler that puts out PDP-8 code. I've done a bit
>of futzing about with James Hendrix' Small C in this regard, but
>nothing either usable (yet) or sophisticated enough to deal with
>mtools.

Getting sidetracked -- who's James Hendrix?  I thought Ron Cain wrote Small C.
I guess there were a lot of derivatives though...

John Wilson  (who ported Ron Cain's Small C to the PDP-11 and IBM 370 years ago)
D Bit

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Have been using XMODEM with and without kermit and have been finding that my
files are padded out to a block size of 128 with ^Zs.  Anyone have familiarity
with this or point me in the right direction?

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In article <6vlokb$b7d$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
 <bdlpxxx@bellatlantic.com> wrote:
: Have been using XMODEM with and without kermit and have been finding that my
: files are padded out to a block size of 128 with ^Zs.  Anyone have familiarity
: with this or point me in the right direction?
: 

That is part of the specification for XMODEM.  All blocks
must be the same length includng the last one.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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Roger Ivie (rivie@rivie.daautah.com) wrote:
: RX50 is single-sided, 96TPI, 250KHz MFM, 512-byte sectors, 10
: sectors/track. There's software interleave. The disks are not MS-DOS
: formatted, so mtools won't be able to do much with them. WPS also uses

I _knew_ I shouldn't have mentioned mtools in the same sentence ;-)

The MiniFrame has option widgets.  It can go single or double sided, 96 or
48TPI, 8/9/10 sectors, software interleave of an adjustable offset.
I've forgotten the "kHz".  It was the lower of two, which I thought was
512/1m, but maybe it was 250, where PC-AT was 512 for the 1.2MB diskette.

I mentioned mtools because it affords the opportunity for the MiniFrame to
import/export MSDOS files.  I thought a port of mtools on the DecMate might
allow it to read MSDOS diskettes, not that mtools would read the DEC
diskettes.

Although there are software switches for 48/96tpi. I was largely
unsuccessful processing the 48TPI diskettes.  It sort of worked,
sometimes...  making me think the software was okay, but the hardware was
being asked to do something it didn't want to do.

If the DecMate is nt easy to play with, then the best ide would probably be
to "print" to a serial port, and use kermit to capture the output to a DOS
file.  I've done this in the past, then using a c program to parse the data
back into usable records.  Recently I've used a Windows program that is
quite powerful.  Monarch V3, from www.datawatch.com, allows you to highlight
fields from a disk-based print image, for import into a database.
-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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My kermit script beeps at me, seemingly whenever it experiences a
change of flow, and it makes me think it's beeping on any failure.
I have lots of "if fail goto retry" statements and every one seems
to produce a beep, although there are no beeps or Ctl-Gs or any
such statements anywhere in the script.

Is there a switch I can set to ask for silence on error?  I assume
Kermit is somehow unhappy and beeps to announce the fact, but I
really need it to be quiet, so I can hear the real beep my ISP
gives me once the whole thing succeeds.  I haven't been able to
find mention of such a switch in the manual, but I'm hoping I've
somehow missed it, or it's there but undocumented.

C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Linux

Thanks in advance
jimo@eskimo.com

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In article <6vog5k$51k$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>,
Jim Osborn <jimo@eskimo.com> wrote:
: 
: My kermit script beeps at me, seemingly whenever it experiences a
: change of flow, and it makes me think it's beeping on any failure.
: I have lots of "if fail goto retry" statements and every one seems
: to produce a beep, although there are no beeps or Ctl-Gs or any
: such statements anywhere in the script.
: 
: Is there a switch I can set to ask for silence on error?  I assume
: Kermit is somehow unhappy and beeps to announce the fact, but I
: really need it to be quiet, so I can hear the real beep my ISP
: gives me once the whole thing succeeds.  I haven't been able to
: find mention of such a switch in the manual, but I'm hoping I've
: somehow missed it, or it's there but undocumented.
: 
: C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Linux
: 
: Thanks in advance
: jimo@eskimo.com


Most likely you have an error in the script which is causing the 
commands to be parsed as invalid.  If this is in a loop or is repeated
throughout your script you will get lots of beeps.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
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In article <6vr37c$cmb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <6vog5k$51k$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>,
>Jim Osborn <jimo@eskimo.com> wrote:
>: 
>: My kermit script beeps at me, seemingly whenever it experiences a
>: change of flow, and it makes me think it's beeping on any failure.
>: I have lots of "if fail goto retry" statements and every one seems
>: to produce a beep, although there are no beeps or Ctl-Gs or any
>: such statements anywhere in the script.
>: 
>: Is there a switch I can set to ask for silence on error?  I assume
>: Kermit is somehow unhappy and beeps to announce the fact, but I
>: really need it to be quiet, so I can hear the real beep my ISP
>: gives me once the whole thing succeeds.  I haven't been able to
>: find mention of such a switch in the manual, but I'm hoping I've
>: somehow missed it, or it's there but undocumented.
>: 
>: C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Linux
>: 
>: Thanks in advance
>: jimo@eskimo.com
>
>
>Most likely you have an error in the script which is causing the 
>commands to be parsed as invalid.  If this is in a loop or is repeated
>throughout your script you will get lots of beeps.

I suppose.  The script certainly seems to work - does what I ask it to do.
Since it does its job correctly, I'd simply like to shut it up altogether,
forever, for any reason.  Is there a way to do that?  Some sort of
*audible* quiet switch?  Never, ever beep?

Thanks very much in advance for any insights into this problem.

For what it's worth, here's the .kermrc file:

When I invoke "eskimo alt" to get it to cycle through the list of numbers,
it beeps as soon as it detects a BUSY, then dials the next number.

Is my error obvious?  Keep in mind there's probably no need to delve
into the second half of the script, unless it could cause beeps even
though the flow doesn't get there.  I assume as long as we experience
some sort of dialing error, like BUSY, we simply cycle back to ":retry."

set line /dev/modem
set speed 38400
set modem type supra
set flow-control rts/cts

set dial interval 1
set dial timeout 45
set parity none

set receive packet-length 4096
set block 3				#Use long CRC packet check
set window 20
set prefixing minimal		#fast file xfer
set transfer slow-start off
set file type binary
set file name literal
set case on
set quiet on

set prompt Linux Kermit> 
define rz !rz -y </dev/cua2 >/dev/modem
define sz !sz \%1 </dev/cua2 >/dev/modem

declare \&d[7]
assign \&d[0]	425-258-3608
assign \&d[1]	425-258-4598
assign \&d[2]	425-258-0748
assign \&d[3]	425-258-1022
assign \&d[4]	425-258-1264
assign \&d[5]	425-258-1576
assign \&d[6]	425-258-2567
assign \&d[7]	425-258-3458

define eskimo {
	while not defined \%a {
		askq \%a {Eskimo Password: }
	}
	assign \%n 0
	:retry
	xif def \%1 {
		xif equal \%1 alt {
			incr \%n
			if > \%n 7 assign \%n 0
			set dial retries 0
			echo dialing \&d[\%n]
			dial \&d[\%n]
			if fail goto retry
		}
	} else {
		set dial retries 999
		dial 425-258-0759
		if fail goto retry
	}

	in 30 {Your Selection ==>}			#Initial selector
	if fail goto retry
	output 1\13							#Select Eskimo
	in 60 login:						#Start login process
	if fail goto retry
	out jimo\13
	clear input
	in 30 {Welcome to eskimo.com.}			#Read Annex ID string
	if fail goto retry
	assign \%x \v(input)
	assign \%y \fsubstring(\v(input), \find(CLI, \v(input))+5, 2)
	assign \%z \fsubstring(\v(input), \find(@seattle, \v(input))+8, 1)
	xif equal \%z 1 {
		xif equal \%y 45 {
			goto retry
		}
	}
	xif equal \%z 2 {
		xif equal \%y 27 {
			goto retry
		}
	}
	xif equal \%z 3 {
		xif equal \%y 34 {
			goto retry
		}
		xif equal \%y 35 {
			goto retry
		}
	}
	in 30 Password:
	if fail goto retry
	out \%a\13
	in 60 {Main Command?}
	if fail goto retry
	out {!}
	echo Modem: \%y   Bank:  \%z
	pause 5
	connect /quietly
}

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hi,
i want to build a windows dll with some functions to comunicate with my hp48
through the serial port. therefore i only need a small subset of all the
kermit features. i know that there is MS-Kermit but i need the source code
or the specification to build a dll that i want to use from a visual basic
program. at the columbia.edu site are a lot of files but which do i have to
use? any suggestions?

william



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Dear all,

I am trying to compile kermit 6.0.192.
But during the compilation I got the following error messages,

ckutio.c: In function `ttsspd':
ckutio.c:4680: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use in this function)
ckutio.c:4680: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
ckutio.c:4680: for each function it appears in.)
ckutio.c:4686: `TIOCSSERIAL' undeclared (first use in this function)
ckutio.c: In function `ttgspd':
ckutio.c:4834: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use in this function)
ckutio.c: In function `in_chk':
ckutio.c:6093: warning: passing arg 3 of `select' from incompatible
pointer type
ckutio.c:6093: warning: passing arg 4 of `select' from incompatible
pointer type
make[1]: *** [ckutio.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/kermit'
make: *** [linux] Error 2

It complains about an undeclared variable and also gave me warning about
redefined variable like `PF_MAX`, `PF_X25` ... etc.
Does anyone knows the workaround for this?
I am using linux redhat 2.0.32 on pentium base server and gcc 2.8.1
compiler.

thanks in advance,
Muljawan


In article <3621A08C.884C7637@siemens.com.sg>,
Muljawan Hendrianto  <muljawan.hendrianto@siemens.com.sg> wrote:
: I am trying to compile kermit 6.0.192.
: But during the compilation I got the following error messages,
: 
: ckutio.c: In function `ttsspd':
: ckutio.c:4680: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use in this function)
: ckutio.c:4680: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
: ckutio.c:4680: for each function it appears in.)
: ckutio.c:4686: `TIOCSSERIAL' undeclared (first use in this function)
: ckutio.c: In function `ttgspd':
: ckutio.c:4834: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use in this function)
: ckutio.c: In function `in_chk':
: ckutio.c:6093: warning: passing arg 3 of `select' from incompatible
: pointer type
: ckutio.c:6093: warning: passing arg 4 of `select' from incompatible
: pointer type
: make[1]: *** [ckutio.o] Error 1
: make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/kermit'
: make: *** [linux] Error 2
: 
: It complains about an undeclared variable and also gave me warning about
: redefined variable like `PF_MAX`, `PF_X25` ... etc.
: Does anyone knows the workaround for this?
: I am using linux redhat 2.0.32 on pentium base server and gcc 2.8.1
: compiler.
: 
Newer versions of Linux need newer versions of Kermit.  Please try version
6.1 Beta, which you can find at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html

- Frank

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In article <361e834b.0@news.wizvax.net>, John Wilson wrote:
>In article <slrn71scjd.4e3.rivie@rivie.daautah.com>,
>Roger Ivie <rivie@daa-utah.com> wrote:
>>Good luck finding a C compiler that puts out PDP-8 code. I've done a bit
>>of futzing about with James Hendrix' Small C in this regard, but
>>nothing either usable (yet) or sophisticated enough to deal with
>>mtools.
>
>Getting sidetracked -- who's James Hendrix?  I thought Ron Cain wrote Small C.
>I guess there were a lot of derivatives though...

James Hendrix did a version of Small C (I don't know how it's related to
Ron Cain's) and wrote a book about it for both CP/M and MS-DOS versions.
I thought I had a copy of the book sitting right there on my shelf, but
it must have migrated home. The version of the code I'm playing with
says "Copyright 1982, 1983, 1985 J. E. Hendrix".
-- 
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In article <6vs745$k4q$1@goof.de.uu.net>, William Chisum wrote:
>hi,
>i want to build a windows dll with some functions to comunicate with my hp48
>through the serial port. therefore i only need a small subset of all the
>kermit features. i know that there is MS-Kermit but i need the source code
>or the specification to build a dll that i want to use from a visual basic
>program. at the columbia.edu site are a lot of files but which do i have to
>use? any suggestions?

The KERMIT protocol used to be documented in a file called kproto.doc
(at least all the copies _I_ have lying around have that name; of
course, I'd probably be hard-pressed to find a copy since I let them
scrap my VAX-11/730). It's since been expanded and moved to a book 
entitled "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" published by Digital Press.
-- 
Roger Ivie
Design Analysis Associates
75 West 100 South
Logan, UT  84321
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Frank da Cruz wrote:

> :
> Newer versions of Linux need newer versions of Kermit.  Please try
> version
> 6.1 Beta, which you can find at:
>
>   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html
>

yes, I got it now.
and the compilation worked very well.

thanks,
Muljawan


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Hello.
I am attempting to write a simple script to sent the character "s" to the
serial port, then recive the the output from the serial port. I have
gotten the sending to work, but the recive part is not working. I have
tried the "input" command with no luck. if I do the script interactivly,
then do a "connect" I recive all the data I want, without doing anything
further. but the connect command is not very fun to use when doing this
non interactivly. What is the best way to have all the data recived from
the serial port go to stdout then have the script/kermit terminate?

What I am doing is monitoring a old UPS, which sends the stats out, when
it recives a "s" on the serial port. here is what I got from the
interactive session:

   [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit>set line /dev/cuaa0
   [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit> set speed 1200
   /dev/cuaa0, 1200 bps
   [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit>output s\13
   [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit>output s\13     
   [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit>connect
   => s
   ---- MICRO-FERRUPS SYSTEM STATUS ----

   INVERTER:  OFF

   AC VOLTS OUT     121
   AC AMPS OUT      3.76
   OUTPUT LOAD (VA) 455
   AC VOLTS IN      121
   FREQUENCY        59.97
   BATTERY VOLTS    13.5
   HEATSINK (C)     032
   # POWER OUTAGES  00090
   INVERTER MINUTES 00170.2
   SYSTEM HOURS     032345
   # OVERLOADS      0080
  PROJECTED BACKUP TIME AVAILABLE AT PRESENT LOAD:  0025  MINUTES
   => 

So what I want to do is get everthing after the connect command, then have
kermit terminate. I have tried the input command, but i can only get that
to work like 'expect'

Thanks,
 -Mike

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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:33:09 GMT, Mike Ekholm just had to say:
: Hello.
: I am attempting to write a simple script to sent the character "s" to the
: serial port, then recive the the output from the serial port. I have
: gotten the sending to work, but the recive part is not working. I have
: tried the "input" command with no luck. if I do the script interactivly,
: then do a "connect" I recive all the data I want, without doing anything
: further. but the connect command is not very fun to use when doing this
: non interactivly. What is the best way to have all the data recived from
: the serial port go to stdout then have the script/kermit terminate?

Hello,
I think I got it. here is what I did. basicly using the UPS prompts (=>):

#!/usr/local/bin/kermit
set line /dev/cuaa0
set speed 1200
set exit warning off
output s\13
output s\13
input 50 =>
input 50 =>
exit

 -Mike

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In article <VqRU1.139$fE6.283188@ptah.visi.com>,
Mike Ekholm  <ekholm@nospam.visi.com> wrote:
: Hello.
: I am attempting to write a simple script to sent the character "s" to the
: serial port, then recive the the output from the serial port. I have
: gotten the sending to work, but the recive part is not working. I have
: tried the "input" command with no luck. if I do the script interactivly,
: then do a "connect" I recive all the data I want, without doing anything
: further. but the connect command is not very fun to use when doing this
: non interactivly. What is the best way to have all the data recived from
: the serial port go to stdout then have the script/kermit terminate?
: 
: What I am doing is monitoring a old UPS, which sends the stats out, when
: it recives a "s" on the serial port. here is what I got from the
: interactive session:
: 
:    [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit>set line /dev/cuaa0
:    [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit> set speed 1200
:    /dev/cuaa0, 1200 bps
:    [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit>output s\13
:    [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit>output s\13     
:    [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit>connect
:    => s
:    ---- MICRO-FERRUPS SYSTEM STATUS ----
: 
:    INVERTER:  OFF
: 
:    AC VOLTS OUT     121
:    AC AMPS OUT      3.76
:    OUTPUT LOAD (VA) 455
:    AC VOLTS IN      121
:    FREQUENCY        59.97
:    BATTERY VOLTS    13.5
:    HEATSINK (C)     032
:    # POWER OUTAGES  00090
:    INVERTER MINUTES 00170.2
:    SYSTEM HOURS     032345
:    # OVERLOADS      0080
:   PROJECTED BACKUP TIME AVAILABLE AT PRESENT LOAD:  0025  MINUTES
:    => 
: 
: So what I want to do is get everthing after the connect command, then have
: kermit terminate. I have tried the input command, but i can only get that
: to work like 'expect'
: 
: Thanks,
:  -Mike

SET LINE /dev/cuaa0
SET SPEED 1200
SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF
SET INPUT ECHO ON
OUTPUT s\13
INPUT 10 some-string-that-will-never-come
SET PORT
EXIT

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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I have a linux server running 2.0.27. I want to give access to people on this
server only through telnet and ssh. (In future, perhaps only through ssh for
security reasons). Can I use kermit for allowing uploading and downloading of
files over an existing telnet/ssh session? If yes, how will I have to
configure my system and kermit? If no, is there any product which allows me
to do that? Thanks in advance,

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I'm trying to get a 'box' working with an old PC. The box talks through a
serial port using Kermit to send files back and forth between itself and
the PC.

It's working for the most part but there's one feature that's still not
working. The box runs a couple of special programs on the PC using the
remote commands ("C" packet type) ... and it's not working. 

I checked the Kermit protocol book by DaCruz but it's not all that verbose
on what the format of the "C" packets is.

Apparently the box used to work with an older version of kermit except
nobody seems to know which exact version. I'm just hoping it wasn't a
version that somebody 'tweaked' software wise to get working.

Is there anymore information on the format of "C" packets or am I going to
have to jump into the sources?

--
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In article <701hhn$4da$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,  <vag@cyberdude.com> wrote:
: I have a linux server running 2.0.27. I want to give access to people on
: this server only through telnet and ssh. (In future, perhaps only through
: ssh for security reasons). Can I use kermit for allowing uploading and
: downloading of files over an existing telnet/ssh session? If yes, how will
: I have to configure my system and kermit?
: 
Telnet: yes, of course.  That's one of the major applications for C-Kermit.
See the manual for instructions:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html

C-Kermit does not include SSH because the RSA algorithms are patented and
must be licensed and paid for.  However, C-Kermit 6.1:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html

presently in Beta test, WOULD allow you to use the Linux "ssh" program as a
transport, so you could have Kermit scripting, file transfer, and
interactive sessions, over an SSH connection, except that the ssh program
does not allow its standard input and output to be redirected.

We might add SSH to C-Kermit in the future, but if we do, you'll have to
pay for it.  Or we can just wait two years until the RSA patent expires.

- Frank

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In article <701u6g$8ba$1@cougar.golden.net>,
 <jrlatala@shell.golden.net> wrote:
: I'm trying to get a 'box' working with an old PC. The box talks through a
: serial port using Kermit to send files back and forth between itself and
: the PC.
: 
: It's working for the most part but there's one feature that's still not
: working. The box runs a couple of special programs on the PC using the
: remote commands ("C" packet type) ... and it's not working. 
: 
: I checked the Kermit protocol book by DaCruz but it's not all that verbose
: on what the format of the "C" packets is.
: 
: Apparently the box used to work with an older version of kermit except
: nobody seems to know which exact version. I'm just hoping it wasn't a
: version that somebody 'tweaked' software wise to get working.
: 
: Is there anymore information on the format of "C" packets or am I going to
: have to jump into the sources?
: 
The C packet simply contains a command in its data field.  The server runs
the command and sends the results back to the client, just as it would send
a file, except the file header packet has type X rather than F.  If the
output of the command is short enough to fit in the data field of a single
packet, it can be sent back in the ACK to the C packet.

Why don't you take some packet logs of a failing transaction and have a look.
If you can't figure them out, send them to kermit-support@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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Hello
K95 ver 1.1.17 has 'support' for Kerberos but what is not clear to me is
whether the export version would enable authentication (and therefore no
clear text passwords!) without encrypted sessions. The former being OK 
but the latter falling under ITAR.

There are various Kerberos packages available (legally) outside the US/Canada
so getting a K4 or K5 server/realm setup is not a problem but good PC apps
which could radically reduce the impact of network sniffers are few and 
far between.

When I try 1.1.17 and 'auth krb5 init {principal}
I get
?Kerberos is not installed

but 'check kerberos' gives
kerberos available


It would be a Good Thing if K95 would enable kerberised authentication even
if sessions are not encrypted, after all SSH is widely used and even SRP can be
implemented with a bolt-on crypto library.

On the other hand, maybe I am missing something obvious. I did create KRB.CON and
KRBREALM.CON files - which seem KRB4-ish in syntax, is there a difference for
KRB5??

Thanks
Neil
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In article <7055b9$jst$1@news.ox.ac.uk>,
Neil Long  <neil.long@oucs.oxford.ac.uk> wrote:
: 
: Hello
: K95 ver 1.1.17 has 'support' for Kerberos but what is not clear to me is
: whether the export version would enable authentication (and therefore no
: clear text passwords!) without encrypted sessions. The former being OK 
: but the latter falling under ITAR.

K95 does support Kerberos 4, Kerberos 5 authentication without encryption
of the data stream when a recognized Kerberos API is installed.

: There are various Kerberos packages available (legally) outside the US/Canada
: so getting a K4 or K5 server/realm setup is not a problem but good PC apps
: which could radically reduce the impact of network sniffers are few and 
: far between.

: When I try 1.1.17 and 'auth krb5 init {principal}
: I get
: ?Kerberos is not installed
: 
: but 'check kerberos' gives
: kerberos available

CHECK KERBEROS means that K95 was compiled with Kerberos support.

IF AVAILABLE {K4, K5} can be used as a test for whether or not a recognized 
API is available.  See the online docs.

K95 supports the MIT LEASH API for K4, and the KerbNet and MIT APIs for K5.

: It would be a Good Thing if K95 would enable kerberised authentication even
: if sessions are not encrypted, after all SSH is widely used and even SRP can be
: implemented with a bolt-on crypto library.

SRP is built-in to K95 and can be used without any additional libraries.

: On the other hand, maybe I am missing something obvious. I did create KRB.CON and
: KRBREALM.CON files - which seem KRB4-ish in syntax, is there a difference for
: KRB5??

K95 does not come with the Kerberos library.  You need to get Kerberos
from another source.  As per the docs, please read the section on 
"Network Security Methods" in the K95 online manual.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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I am trying to use Macintosh Kermit with my Teleport Gold II.
Simple terminal emulation works ok.  I am able to connect with
several remote hosts successfully.  The problem comes when I
try to do any sort of file transfer operation.  The modem hangs
up.  It doesn't seem to matter what system I am connected to, i.e.,
I don't think I am getting a remote hang up.  It also doesn't seem
to matter what sort of transfer, send or receive, or whether the
remote system is in server mode or not.  I have tried all sorts 
of fiddling with the kermit parameters to no avail.  I'm fairly
certain by now the the problem is some sort of interaction between
Kermit and the Teleport Gold II.  Any suggestions?

Has anyone had any experience doing Mac Kermit file transfers
with a GV Teleport Gold II successfully?

The modem performs well otherwise.  I use it to connect with my
ISP as well as to dial into several local systems directly.

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Hello Everyone,

I'm new to Kermit and I have what I think is a very simple question. I need
to write a small script that will accept one argument, a phone number. It
then needs to dial that number, transfer a striaght ascii file with no
checksum or protocol, hangup the line and exit with a value indicating
whether the transfer was successful or not. I'm on an RS/6000 running AIX
V4.3 and I have C-Kermit 6.0. I'm sure this script is only a few lines
long, but I just don't know where to begin. Any suggestions? 

Thanx,
Swade

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In article <01bdf95a$4d177e00$7a0101c8@swade>,
Swade <swade@jerseycape.com> wrote:
: 
: Hello Everyone,
: 
: I'm new to Kermit and I have what I think is a very simple question. I need
: to write a small script that will accept one argument, a phone number. It
: then needs to dial that number, transfer a striaght ascii file with no
: checksum or protocol, hangup the line and exit with a value indicating
: whether the transfer was successful or not. I'm on an RS/6000 running AIX
: V4.3 and I have C-Kermit 6.0. I'm sure this script is only a few lines
: long, but I just don't know where to begin. Any suggestions? 
: 
: Thanx,
: Swade


Very easy.  The place to begin is by reading the manual "Using C-Kermit"
2nd Edition which explains the script programming language, how to dial,
and how to transfer files in a variety of ways.

You are looking for the following sets of commands:

  SET MODEM ...
  SET DIAL ...
  DIAL 
  SET TRANSMIT ...
  TRANSMIT

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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Frank daCruz writes:
>Newer versions of Linux need newer versions of Kermit.  Please try
>version 6.1 Beta, which you can find at: 
>
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html

I'm trying to get Kermit up on my newly-purchased Linux workstation,
and assume from Frank's remark above that the CD that came with the
book I bought last spring is useless.  Since I don't have networking
installed yet on my old computer, I'll need to download, then transfer
via floppy to the new machine, so a compact, Linux-only distribution
would be nice.  Until I get Kermit up on the new machine, I can't
really download anything to it.

On the web site above is a link to:

    kermit-t.1.103-1.src.rpm

which would seem a likely candidate.  However after repeated attempts
I can't seem to get a web-browser-based ftp connection to that link.

Could I get a straight ftp pointer to that package?  I normally find
it much easier anyway to do ftp downloads through an ftp process,
as it allows multiple items and unattended operation.  I couldn't
see anything on the ftp site that had the 6.1 beta stuff.  Is it
accessible through ftp?

Thanks very much in advance,
jimo@eskimo.com

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In article <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>,
Jim Osborn <jimo@eskimo.com> wrote:
: 
: Frank daCruz writes:
: >Newer versions of Linux need newer versions of Kermit.  Please try
: >version 6.1 Beta, which you can find at: 
: >
: >  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html
: 
: I'm trying to get Kermit up on my newly-purchased Linux workstation,
: and assume from Frank's remark above that the CD that came with the
: book I bought last spring is useless.  Since I don't have networking
: installed yet on my old computer, I'll need to download, then transfer
: via floppy to the new machine, so a compact, Linux-only distribution
: would be nice.  Until I get Kermit up on the new machine, I can't
: really download anything to it.
: 
: On the web site above is a link to:
: 
:     kermit-t.1.103-1.src.rpm
: 
: which would seem a likely candidate.  However after repeated attempts
: I can't seem to get a web-browser-based ftp connection to that link.
: 
: Could I get a straight ftp pointer to that package?  I normally find
: it much easier anyway to do ftp downloads through an ftp process,
: as it allows multiple items and unattended operation.  I couldn't
: see anything on the ftp site that had the 6.1 beta stuff.  Is it
: accessible through ftp?
: 
: Thanks very much in advance,
: jimo@eskimo.com


If you are having FTP trouble read http://www.kermit-project.org/ftphlp.html

More than likely you do not have a DNS for your IP Address.  If that
is the case your attempt to connect will be rejected.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Is there a config switch, or command to make C-Kermit not emit beeps?
I've combed through the book and can't find anything, but I'm hoping
someone out there knows something that'll do the job, before I
dive into the source.

Thanks very much in advance,
jimo@eskimo.com

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Jim Osborn (jimo@eskimo.com) wrote:

: Frank daCruz writes:
: >Newer versions of Linux need newer versions of Kermit.  Please try
: >version 6.1 Beta, which you can find at: 
: >
: >  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html

: I'm trying to get Kermit up on my newly-purchased Linux workstation,

I don't know where you got the Frank quote, above.
I downloaded C-Kermit from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit
somewhere under the binaries distribution area.
It was an RPM created by RedHat.  It didn't like full screen on my redHat
5.1, until I did a cd /usr/share; ln -s terminfo ../lib
Apparently there is hardcode that I couldn't find, that is looking for
/usr/lib/terminfo, and isn't happy with /usr/share/terminfo.

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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In article <70c6va$8ss$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>,
Jim Osborn <jimo@eskimo.com> wrote:
: 
: Is there a config switch, or command to make C-Kermit not emit beeps?
: I've combed through the book and can't find anything, but I'm hoping
: someone out there knows something that'll do the job, before I
: dive into the source.
: 
: Thanks very much in advance,
: jimo@eskimo.com


During file transfers

  SET XFER BELL OFF 

will turn off beeps.  If you are getting beeps at other times it means
that you have non-fatal errors in your script.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>,
Jim Osborn <jimo@eskimo.com> wrote:
: 
: Frank daCruz writes:
: >Newer versions of Linux need newer versions of Kermit.  Please try
: >version 6.1 Beta, which you can find at: 
: >
: >  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html
: 
: I'm trying to get Kermit up on my newly-purchased Linux workstation,
: and assume from Frank's remark above that the CD that came with the
: book I bought last spring is useless.
:
I wouldn't go quite that far.  It was useful at the time it was produced,
and then Linux changed out from underneath it.  So now we have to change
Kermit to adapt to the newer Linuxes.  The same is true, continuously,
for all other platforms -- AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, IRIX, you name it.

: Since I don't have networking
: installed yet on my old computer, I'll need to download, then transfer
: via floppy to the new machine, so a compact, Linux-only distribution
: would be nice.
:
The URL above will lead you that, although perhaps not in the precise
form you want it to be in.  If you don't want to visit the this URL and
read what it says, then use anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, in
binary mode, to pick up the file:

  kermit/test/tar/cku192.tar.gz

then gunzip it, then "tar xvf cku192.tar", then "make linux".

: Until I get Kermit up on the new machine, I can't
: really download anything to it.
: 
: On the web site above is a link to:
: 
:     kermit-t.1.103-1.src.rpm
: 
: which would seem a likely candidate.  However after repeated attempts
: I can't seem to get a web-browser-based ftp connection to that link.
: 
FTP problems are not on our end.  They are generally due to a congested
network, or a firewall at your site, or a failure of the host you are
connecting from the have a DNS entry.

- Frank

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In article <709arq$ajk$1@samba.rahul.net>,  <dold@network.rahul.net> wrote:
>I downloaded C-Kermit from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit
>somewhere under the binaries distribution area.
>It was an RPM created by RedHat.  It didn't like full screen on my redHat
>5.1, until I did a cd /usr/share; ln -s terminfo ../lib
>Apparently there is hardcode that I couldn't find, that is looking for
>/usr/lib/terminfo, and isn't happy with /usr/share/terminfo.

I cannot say with certainty, but this is probably in the ncurses
library (or some other library), so unless you search in the library's
sources, you won't find that "hardcoded" path.  (Hey, you've got to
start somewhere, right?  Something somewhere has to be hardcoded.)
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Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>If you are having FTP trouble read http://www.kermit-project.org/ftphlp.html
>
>More than likely you do not have a DNS for your IP Address.  If that
>is the case your attempt to connect will be rejected.

The DNS is fine.  The problem is the fact that going through a web
browser interface forces repeated connections, and with variable
network loads, you may or may not reconnect within the timeout
period.  A solution is to simply keep hammering on the ftp link,
and hopefully, eventually, the network will clear and allow download
of that package.

A friendlier solution, in my opinion, is to allow straight ftp access,
so the whole job can be done with one simple connection process.

Cheers,
jimo@eskimo.com

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In article <70ebj9$bst$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>,
Jim Osborn <jimo@eskimo.com> wrote:
: Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: >If you are having FTP trouble read http://www.kermit-project.org/ftphlp.html
: >
: >More than likely you do not have a DNS for your IP Address.  If that
: >is the case your attempt to connect will be rejected.
: 
: The DNS is fine.  The problem is the fact that going through a web
: browser interface forces repeated connections, and with variable
: network loads, you may or may not reconnect within the timeout
: period.  A solution is to simply keep hammering on the ftp link,
: and hopefully, eventually, the network will clear and allow download
: of that package.

I am very confused.  Why does a browser interface require repeated
connections for an ftp transfer?

: A friendlier solution, in my opinion, is to allow straight ftp access,
: so the whole job can be done with one simple connection process.

The link is of the form ftp://ftp.kermit-project.org/kermit/bin/file>.
If you want to use a command line ftp instead of a browser simply
ftp to the specified host, cd to the appropriate directory, set the
transfer type to binary, and get the file.


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: dold@10.usenet.us.com
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Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm?
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rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com wrote:
: In article <709arq$ajk$1@samba.rahul.net>,  <dold@network.rahul.net> wrote:
: >I downloaded C-Kermit from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit
: >somewhere under the binaries distribution area.
: >It was an RPM created by RedHat.  It didn't like full screen on my redHat
: >5.1, until I did a cd /usr/share; ln -s terminfo ../lib
: >Apparently there is hardcode that I couldn't find, that is looking for
: >/usr/lib/terminfo, and isn't happy with /usr/share/terminfo.

: I cannot say with certainty, but this is probably in the ncurses
: library (or some other library), so unless you search in the library's
: sources, you won't find that "hardcoded" path.  (Hey, you've got to
: start somewhere, right?  Something somewhere has to be hardcoded.)

I ran "strings" on the kermit binary, and then on each of the libraries
whose names I found.  I didn't find /usr/lib/terminfo in this search.

I also tried "make linux" on the current tar.gz source, and it failed with
a pile of error messages, which I haven't begun to research.

Straight FTP?  certainly still available.
try ftp to watsun.cc.columbia.edu
then cd to kermit/bin, dir *lin*, or watch the readme as it goes by.

The RPM that I used is at
/kermit/archives/ckermit-6.0.192-7.i386.rpm
which is an ftp link from  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html

As for why web-invoked ftp doesn't work...
Usually it has to do with modem line noise or low performance hardware,
which means it used to happen to me a lot, but doesn't anymore ;-)

Straight ftp, even from a Win95 "dos prompt", is far more stable than
invoking an ftp link from a browser.

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.


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From: "Swade" <swade@jerseycape.com>
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Subject: ascii transfer to remote printer
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Well, after a crash course, I believe I have figured out the transmission
ot a remote printer after all. I'm posting it here for anyone who may find
it useful or who is interested in giving me feedback on my approach.

First you might want to take a look at the attached script. The key factors
here are the setting of file type to text and the carrier-watch to on (not
auto). Lastly, just make sure that your modem is set with &c2. This causes
carrier to be high except for a moment after hanging up. That in turn
causes the carrier-watch to notice and drop out of transmission if the
connection is broken (otherwise it just blocks there). I think &c2 is for
all hayse compatibles, but I was using a Multitech in particular.

Comments?

Thanx,
Swade
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From: jimo@eskimo.com (Jim Osborn)
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Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm?
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Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>Jim Osborn <jimo@eskimo.com> wrote:
>: The DNS is fine.  The problem is the fact that going through a web
>: browser interface forces repeated connections, and with variable
>: network loads, you may or may not reconnect within the timeout
>: period.  A solution is to simply keep hammering on the ftp link,
>: and hopefully, eventually, the network will clear and allow download
>: of that package.
>
>I am very confused.  Why does a browser interface require repeated
>connections for an ftp transfer?

I'm no expert, but I understand that every time you "click on a
link" in a web-based environment, you make a NEW connection to that
link's server (unless that link it to simple text on the very same
page you're currently looking at, in which case you've already cached
that page in your browser and disconnected from its server), which
then passes some information to your browser, ending the connection
and allowing the server to deal with the next connection.  It's great
for exploring uncharted territory, but requires lots of re-connections.

>: A friendlier solution, in my opinion, is to allow straight ftp access,
>: so the whole job can be done with one simple connection process.
>
>The link is of the form ftp://ftp.kermit-project.org/kermit/bin/file>.
>If you want to use a command line ftp instead of a browser simply
>ftp to the specified host, cd to the appropriate directory, set the
>transfer type to binary, and get the file.

Oops, Mea Culpa!  Somehow on my earlier attempt, I overlooked the "test"
tree on the ftp site (kept trying to find things in the c-kermit and
linux paths).  I just grabbed all 1.7M of the 193.src.rpm package.

Thanks for the info,
jimo@eskimo.com


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<dold@network.rahul.net> wrote:
>Straight ftp, even from a Win95 "dos prompt", is far more stable
>than invoking an ftp link from a browser. 

I prefer to use the ftp program here on my ISP's Unix server, 
and get the stuff to my account there, using the fast backbone.
Then, at my leisure, I can download to home using the modem.
I'd hate to have a net-wide transfer depending on modem speeds, 
line noise, etc.

Cheers,
jimo@eskimo.com


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I have a PC with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 in Server Mode running.
Sometime I get a file.When the client connect himself off,
I get the follwoing message:
Unexpected Partiy from host! changing Partity to MARK

Now my PC is still in the server mode, but the modem will
no longer autoanswer.

Can somebody give me a hint??

Ralf Meuser
ralf.meuser@tk-transports.fr


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In article <70hh32$rdo$1@platane.wanadoo.fr>,
Ralf Meuser <ralf.meuser@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
: I have a PC with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 in Server Mode running.
: Sometime I get a file.When the client connect himself off,
: I get the follwoing message:
: Unexpected Partiy from host! changing Partity to MARK
: 
: Now my PC is still in the server mode, but the modem will
: no longer autoanswer.
: 
: Can somebody give me a hint??
: 
Assuming you know what parity is...

Modern versions of MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit, and Kermit 95 attempt to
detect parity automatically.  If a packet arrives in which the bytes
are marked consistently with a particular kind of parity (even, odd,
or mark), Kermit issues a message such as the one above and switches
to the detected kind of parity.

This should only happen when a valid Kermit packet is received; it
should not be caused by line noise.

The fact that your modem will no longer autoanswer probably has nothing
to do with this.  As noted in previous discussions here, you have to
configure your modem to stay in autoanswer mode for each call, rather
than reverting back to originate mode after answering one call.
The method for doing this depends on your modem.

- Frank

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From: jimo@eskimo.com (Jim Osborn)
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Thought I'd close the loop with this thread, which I started after
seeing an ominous remark by Frank, implying that I might need the
beta version with a new Linux distribution.

I'm happy to report that my good old C-Kermit 6.0.192, straight
off the CD that came with the Using C-Kermit book in late 1997,
compiled just fine with my S.u.S.E 5.3 distribution.  I had to
tell the linker that the lcurses and ltermcap libs were in their
own directories in /usr/lib, and open up some permissions in /var/lock.

So, the moral is, don't panic. :)

Cheers,

Jim

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In article <70ju4k$567$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>,
Jim Osborn <jimo@eskimo.com> wrote:
: 
: Thought I'd close the loop with this thread, which I started after
: seeing an ominous remark by Frank, implying that I might need the
: beta version with a new Linux distribution.
: 
: I'm happy to report that my good old C-Kermit 6.0.192, straight
: off the CD that came with the Using C-Kermit book in late 1997,
: compiled just fine with my S.u.S.E 5.3 distribution.  I had to
: tell the linker that the lcurses and ltermcap libs were in their
: own directories in /usr/lib, and open up some permissions in /var/lock.
: 
: So, the moral is, don't panic. :)
: 
To some extent -- some people have trouble, some don't.  I can't
necessarily keep up with all the variations in the many Linux
distributions and versions of them.  What was the Right Way to do a
particular one day often becomes Horribly Wrong the next.

Nonstandard items that were added to C-Kermit for early versions Linux to
allow such features as hardware flow control and high serial speeds are
now verboten.  There is the curses vs ncurses naming problem, not to
mention library version skew.  There are evidently issues related to glibc
vs libc and who knows what else, plus the neverending circus of /dev/cux
vs /dev/ttySx vs /dev/modem vs UUCP lockfiles.

C-Kermit 6.1 adapts to modern Linuxes by compiling out the nonstandard
device-related code and using more-or-less regular POSIX constructs if you
choose the "make linux" target.  Targets (with accompanying #ifdefs) are
still present for older versions.  As far as I know, however, the 6.1
Beta.05 "make linux" target works for Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, and SuSE
-- if this is a misimpression, now would be a good time for me to find out.

In particular, you say "I had to tell the linker that the lcurses and
ltermcap libs were in their own directories in /usr/lib..."  So what
directory are they in?  Is this a SuSE peculiarity?  Or did all the
packagers move these libraries?  Do we now need separate makefile entries
for SuSE, Red Hat, etc?

(Yes, I know about "configure" scripts, but this method is not available
everywhere -- and especially not on the many non-UNIX platforms where
C-Kermit can be built.  C-Kermit is designed to be built with the bare
minimum development toolset.)

By the way, C-Kermit 6.1 is history.  The next release will be 7.0.  I
hope to announce it for testing "pretty soon".  I also hope that I can get
the same degree of assistance from the various Linux packagers (or users)
as I got last time in preparing RPMs other appropriate install packages
for each of the various hardware platforms.  But one thing at a time...

Another by the way: the C-Kermit 6.0 RPM includes patches that the other
Linux install packages do not include, so it tends to install more
smoothly than the others.  Of course all these patches are built in to
6.1.  C-Kermit 6.1 Beta.05 can be found at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html

- Frank

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In article <70j8j2$ldj$3@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>,
Heribert Dahms <DAHMS@ifk20.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote:
: In <70iscv$c8m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu writes:
: : In article <70ih6b$1k7@hacgate2.hac.com>,
: : KEITH OUTWATER /5G3110 <vac4050@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE> wrote:
: : : On my "real" VT100 terminal, PF1-PF3 are above the 7,8,9,-
: : : on the numeric keypad.  My HPUX keyboard doesn't have these
: : : keys and F1-F3 on the HP keyboard (C3757) doesn't work
: : : with Kermit.
: : : 
: : Right, Kermit can't do that because Kermit can't see the keys on
: : your keyboard.  It can only see the characters that HP-UX generates
: : for them, one at a time.
: : 
: : The way to get F-keys and other special keys to work as they do on
: : a VT100 or other kind of terminal is to map them that way outside of
: : Kermit, e.g. if you are using an xterm, use xmodmap.  The precise
: : method depends on your window manager, the kind of xterm you are
: : running (if any), and what kind of keyboard you have.
: 
: I usually just type the sequence for PF1 myself: <ESC>OP
: PF2: <ESC>OQ PF3: <ESC>OR PF4: <ESC>OS
: 
Technically speaking, the problem is that C-Kermit, which runs on literally
hundreds of different UNIX (and non-UNIX) platforms, has only the lowly
"read(0,&c,1)" call available to read the keyboard.  This works very well in
the sense that it doesn't matter whether you are using the workstation's
own keyboard in the text console or in an X or HP-VUE window, or if you are
coming in over a serial port, or on a Telnet, Rlogin, X.25, or other kind of
network connection.  The drawback, of course, is that reading characters
from stdin does not give you access to the system- and keyboard-dependent
scan codes to let us know that you typed some special key.  Any method of
accessing the keyboard at a lower level would be (a) necessarily nonportable,
and (b) nonfunctional if you were not actually using the workstation keyboard.
And to complicate the situation, I am not aware of any API available to a user
program to tell whether "stdin" is the real keyboard and screen (console or
xterm running on the console) or is associated with a communications
connection (serial or network).

A further, and more subtle, drawback is that even if you have used Xmodmap
or other method to map the appropriate escape sequences to F keys (or
whatever), C-Kermit still reads characters and not keystrokes, and therefore
has no way of knowing whether (say) <ESC> O P was produced by pressing one
key or three, and therefore whether to group them in a single write to avoid
spacings between them that could throw off user programs like VI that are
sensitive to such things.

: Hi Frank, since you seem to listen:
:
Sure I do.  C-Kermit is fully supported on HP-UX by contract between HP
and the Kermit Project, and the Kermit Project takes its obligations
seriously.

: Hpterms and VTs of K95 under NT work quite fine, except one
: annoying thing: The page up and down keys scroll locally,
: which the original terminal emulators don't do!
: Typing <ESC>[5~ and <ESC>[6~ is too much finger acrobatic on a
: German keyboard, even for me 8-)
: How do I configure K95 to send page up and down to host, when
: pressed without any modifier key?
: 
The PC keyboard is not the same as the (native) HP keyboard, and so there
must be a mapping.  So that every user will not have to figure out how to
accomplish this individually, we provide a default mapping for each terminal
type in Kermit 95.  The bad thing about defaults is that they rarely please
everybody.  The good thing is that they can be changed.

The method for changing a terminal-specific key definition in K95 is:

 1. Find out the keycode of the desired key.  Use the "show key" command
    to do this:

      K-95> show key
      Press key: <press-desired-key-here>
      Key code \4385 Gray-PageUp (default) => Verb: \Kupscn
      K-95>

    Now you know the keycode and the current definition.

 2. Use the "set terminal key" command to install the new definition:

      K-95> set term key hpterm \4385 \27[5~

    This means: when my terminal emulation is HPTERM, I want the Page Up
    key to send <ESC>[5~.

 3. Put the desired "set term key" in your K95CUSTOM.INI file.

: The booklet only mentions Ctrl-Gray-Page-Up (and -Down), but what
: is Gray on a German keyboard, please?
:
The current version of K95 is 1.1.17.  It includes a vastly expanded user
manual, which you can read with your Web browser.  You can patch up from
whatever version you have to 1.1.17 at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html

: There's only left+right Strg (Ctrl), Alt and AltGr!
:
The USA keyboard has a gray (color) editing keypad below the Print Screen,
Scroll Lock, and Pause keys, and a gray arrow (cursor) keypad below the
editing keypad.  The numeric keypad also has keys labeled the same way;
these labels apply when Num Lock is not on.

In any case, you can assign any desired functions to any desired keys --
whatever you want.

Note that K-95 is different from C-Kermit in this respect, since K-95
really *does* have access to the physical keyboard via well-defined Windows
(or OS/2) APIs.

- Frank

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In article <70ktk1$9q3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <70j8j2$ldj$3@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>,
: Heribert Dahms <DAHMS@ifk20.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote:
: :
: Sure I do.  C-Kermit is fully supported on HP-UX by contract between HP
: and the Kermit Project, and the Kermit Project takes its obligations
: seriously.
: 
: : Hpterms and VTs of K95 under NT work quite fine, except one
: : annoying thing: The page up and down keys scroll locally,
: : which the original terminal emulators don't do!

: : Typing <ESC>[5~ and <ESC>[6~ is too much finger acrobatic on a
: : German keyboard, even for me 8-)
: : How do I configure K95 to send page up and down to host, when
: : pressed without any modifier key?
: : 

  <ESC>[5~ is DEC VT Previous Screen; Kermit 95 Kverb \Kdecprev
  <ESC>[6~ is DEC VT Next Screen; Kermit 95 Kverb \Kdecnext

By default these are mapped in the VT220, VT320 emulations to Alt-Gray-End
and Alt-Gray-PageDown respectively.

I do not know what escape sequences the HPTERM sends for Home, End,
PgUp, PgDn, Insert, Delete, etc.  If you (or anyone else) would care
to send me the sequences I can add Kverbs for them in the next release.

Currently, we have Kverbs for HP F1-F16, Enter, Return, and Backtab.
All of whose values are programmable by the host in K95.




    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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We are currently running Kermit v. 5a (190) 10/4/94
on an IBM RS-6000 running AIX 3.25.  For Year-2000
compliance, we have been told that we must upgrade
the version of AIX to 4.2 or 4.3.

Do we need a new versions of Kermit, or will recompiling
the current version be sufficient to run on the new
version of AIX?

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In article <362E26AB.7980@home.comfortably>,
Roy Buzdor  <resting@home.comfortably> wrote:
: We are currently running Kermit v. 5a (190) 10/4/94
: on an IBM RS-6000 running AIX 3.25.  For Year-2000
: compliance, we have been told that we must upgrade
: the version of AIX to 4.2 or 4.3.
: 
: Do we need a new versions of Kermit, or will recompiling
: the current version be sufficient to run on the new
: version of AIX?
: 
For Year 2000, you need a new version of C-Kermit.  See:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/year2000.html

for details.  The current version is 6.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html

For best results, you should build it from source code rather
than use a prebuilt binary, because there are numerous (albeit
unconfirmed) reports of binary incompatibility.

I'd also recommend you try C-Kermit 6.1 Beta, whose followons
will soon become the supported version:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html

- Frank

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Is it possible to do TCP/IP through DOS?
I have an 80386 with 2M RAM and a 10baseT betwork adapter. I do not run
windows. Our internet provider (whom I happen to work for) provides a
500kbps connection via cable modems. Now, as far as it is set up, it is like
a regular network set up all over the city. We convert the signals to analog
and send it over the cables, just like cable TV, the nthe cable modem sends
it back to digital to the network card. Each computer must access a DHCP
server unless given a static IP address. My question is, will kermit
facilitate this type of connection and if so, can someone give me some
intstruction.



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In article <70l9n2$hd1$1@team2.teamnet.net>, draft2 <nobody@cfu.net> wrote:
: Is it possible to do TCP/IP through DOS?
: I have an 80386 with 2M RAM and a 10baseT betwork adapter. I do not run
: windows. Our internet provider (whom I happen to work for) provides a
: 500kbps connection via cable modems. Now, as far as it is set up, it is like
: a regular network set up all over the city. We convert the signals to analog
: and send it over the cables, just like cable TV, the nthe cable modem sends
: it back to digital to the network card. Each computer must access a DHCP
: server unless given a static IP address. My question is, will kermit
: facilitate this type of connection and if so, can someone give me some
: intstruction.
: 
MS-DOS Kermit, current version 3.15:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html

includes a TCP/IP stack, containing not only TCP and IP, but also Telnet,
Bootp, and DHCP clients.  You must run this stack over a Packet Driver, an
ODI Driver, or an NDIS driver.  It is up to the maker of the cable modem to
supply one of these.

For details, read NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC in the Kermit directory, after
unzipping it.

- Frank

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In article <70l9n2$hd1$1@team2.teamnet.net>, "draft2" <nobody@cfu.net> writes:
> Is it possible to do TCP/IP through DOS?
> I have an 80386 with 2M RAM and a 10baseT betwork adapter. I do not run
> windows. Our internet provider (whom I happen to work for) provides a
> 500kbps connection via cable modems. Now, as far as it is set up, it is like
> a regular network set up all over the city. We convert the signals to analog
> and send it over the cables, just like cable TV, the nthe cable modem sends
> it back to digital to the network card. Each computer must access a DHCP
> server unless given a static IP address. My question is, will kermit
> facilitate this type of connection and if so, can someone give me some
> intstruction.
-----------
	What might you mean by "facilitate"? If the answer is do something
particular about cable modems the answer is no. MS-DOS Kermit is the program
you are inferring, and it uses its internal TCP/IP stack to talk over SLIP,
some PPP, and ODI lan drivers. Once that is done the medium is responsible
for behaving as advertised (if Ethernet then it must behave as true Ethernet
to attached equipment). MSK supports RARP, BOOTP, DHCP remote address
acquisition. How one chooses to represent bits on wires off site is not
of interest here.
	Instructions on this are in the release documentation and the main
user's manual the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit". Please visit www.columbia.edu/
kermit for pointers to the material.
	Being an MS-DOS program, MS-DOS Kermit runs in 640K memory space,
and will use extended or expanded memory if available.
	Joe D.
	

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In article <70kpvd$7mu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, 
fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu says...
>
>In article <70ju4k$567$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>,
>Jim Osborn <jimo@eskimo.com> wrote:
>: 
>: Thought I'd close the loop with this thread, which I started after
>: seeing an ominous remark by Frank, implying that I might need the
>: beta version with a new Linux distribution.
>: 
>: I'm happy to report that my good old C-Kermit 6.0.192, straight
>: off the CD that came with the Using C-Kermit book in late 1997,
>: compiled just fine with my S.u.S.E 5.3 distribution.  I had to
>: tell the linker that the lcurses and ltermcap libs were in their
>: own directories in /usr/lib, and open up some permissions in /var/lock.
>: 
>: So, the moral is, don't panic. :)
>: 
>To some extent -- some people have trouble, some don't.  I can't
>necessarily keep up with all the variations in the many Linux
>distributions and versions of them.  What was the Right Way to do a
>particular one day often becomes Horribly Wrong the next.
>
>Nonstandard items that were added to C-Kermit for early versions Linux to
>allow such features as hardware flow control and high serial speeds are
>now verboten.  There is the curses vs ncurses naming problem, not to
>mention library version skew.  There are evidently issues related to glibc
>vs libc and who knows what else, plus the neverending circus of /dev/cux
>vs /dev/ttySx vs /dev/modem vs UUCP lockfiles.
>
>C-Kermit 6.1 adapts to modern Linuxes by compiling out the nonstandard
>device-related code and using more-or-less regular POSIX constructs if you
>choose the "make linux" target.  Targets (with accompanying #ifdefs) are
>still present for older versions.  As far as I know, however, the 6.1
>Beta.05 "make linux" target works for Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, and SuSE
>-- if this is a misimpression, now would be a good time for me to find out.
>
>In particular, you say "I had to tell the linker that the lcurses and
>ltermcap libs were in their own directories in /usr/lib..."  So what
>directory are they in?  Is this a SuSE peculiarity?  Or did all the
>packagers move these libraries?  Do we now need separate makefile entries
>for SuSE, Red Hat, etc?

Speaking as a user of RedHat 5.1, the make linux" target works just fine. I 
ran into no problems compliling from the C-Kermit 6.1 source code.



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Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In particular, you say "I had to tell the linker that the lcurses and
>ltermcap libs were in their own directories in /usr/lib..."  So what
>directory are they in?  Is this a SuSE peculiarity?  Or did all the
>packagers move these libraries?  Do we now need separate makefile entries
>for SuSE, Red Hat, etc?

I can only speak for SuSE 5.3, as this is my first upgrade in about
three years.  In /usr/lib is directory curses/, containing two entries,
libcurses.a and a symlink libcurses.so pointing to the shared lib.
Similarly, in /usr/lib is directory termcap/, with two similar entries.
This seems like a sensible organization to deal with static vs shared
libraries, but I don't know if it's standard among distributions.
I'd think the File System Standard would address this.

I'm just a user, so I can't speak authoritatively, but I think things
are generally converging, rather than diverging. Hopefully most all
this sort of minor location trouble can and will be overcome with a
few well-chosen symlinks.

>C-Kermit 6.1 Beta.05 can be found at:
>
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html

Which, I believe, ultimately points to (for those that prefer ftp):

  ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin

which is just full of goodies.

Thanks for illuminating some of the frustrations of keeping up with
the various changes.  In particular, the details of dealing with
things like hardware flow control sound worth my following up on.

Now if I can just figure out where these beeps come from whenever
a script writes to the screen... :)

Cheers, and thanks for the info.

Jim

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In article <70lk07$4qb$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>,
Jim Osborn <jimo@eskimo.com> wrote:
: ...
: Thanks for illuminating some of the frustrations of keeping up with
: the various changes.  In particular, the details of dealing with
: things like hardware flow control sound worth my following up on.
: 
I'd still like confirmation that C-Kermit 6.1 Beta can be built "out of the
box" on Red Hat, Slackware, Debian, SuSE, Caldera, and any other Linux
distributions I might not know about, and various versions of each, and if
not, what the error messages are or what changes had to be made to Kermit
itself, or what symlinks had to be installed, etc.  Instructions:

  $ mkdir kermit
  $ cd kermit
  $ ftp kermit.columbia.edu
  user: anonymous
  password: your-email-address
  ftp> cd kermit/test/bin
  ftp> binary
  ftp> get cku193.tar.gz
  ftp> bye
  $ gunzip cku193.tar.gz
  $ tar xvf cku193.tar
  $ make linux

Please send me note stating the Linux package name and version (e.g. Red Hat
5.1), the hardware platform (PC, Alpha, Sparc, etc), and the results of the
build (success, or failure with messages).

I already know it is OK on Red Hat 5.1 (PC and Alpha), and on the Amiga
(Red Hat 5.0).

Thanks!

: Now if I can just figure out where these beeps come from whenever
: a script writes to the screen... :)
: 
Beeps come from:

 a. Syntax error messages (when an invalid command is included in the
    script).  Cure: fix the syntax errors.

 b. BEL characters coming from the host and displayed locally during INPUT /
    MINPUT when INPUT ECHO is ON.  Cure: SET INPUT ECHO OFF.

 c. Completion of file transfer.  To defeat: SET TRANSFER BELL OFF.

 d. Explicit "printing" of BEL characters by your script, using the
    BEEP command or by including \7 in an ECHO string, etc.  But if you
    had done this, you would expect some beeps.

Of course other beeps are possible during interactive use: the ones that
come from host in CONNECT (terminal) mode, the ones you get by trying to
complete a command field that is invalid or insufficiently specified, or by
trying to delete past the beginning of the command buffer, or by trying to
recall commands beyond the boundaries of the recall buffer, etc.

- Frank

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We use K/2 and K-95 heavily to telnet to different applications throughout
our hospital. We've run into a problem twice where the remote host will
reset the terminal emulation of the local K-95 just after the remote login
sequence is completed.

It's not a problem when the VT host changes the emulation from VT320 to
VT220 but we've run into a conundrum when an SCOANSI host changes the
emulation from SCOANSI (which works perfectly) to ANSI (which doesn't.)

Two possible solutions present themselves: first, get the host to stop
sending a request to change terminal emulation; second, set Kermit to
ignore any requests to change the terminal emulation. Knowing the kind of
support one receives from Kermit, I decided to start here.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. I couldn't find this addressed in
the manual(s) or Dejanews so I'm stuck.

Thank you,

Andrew Pardoe
University of Washington

PS: I realize I can go back to the command line to manually reset the
terminal emulation to what it was originally and go on my merry way.
Unfortunately, the many of the people here wouldn't quite understand the
concept of command line, let alone terminal emulation. Heck, Alt-X is
probably stretching the computer skills of some...



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In article <Pine.WNT.4.05.9810220906420.169-100000@neko.dental.washington.edu>,
Andrew J Pardoe  <ap@u.washington.edu> wrote:
: 
: We use K/2 and K-95 heavily to telnet to different applications throughout
: our hospital. We've run into a problem twice where the remote host will
: reset the terminal emulation of the local K-95 just after the remote login
: sequence is completed.
: 
: It's not a problem when the VT host changes the emulation from VT320 to
: VT220 but we've run into a conundrum when an SCOANSI host changes the
: emulation from SCOANSI (which works perfectly) to ANSI (which doesn't.)
: 
: Two possible solutions present themselves: first, get the host to stop
: sending a request to change terminal emulation; second, set Kermit to
: ignore any requests to change the terminal emulation. Knowing the kind of
: support one receives from Kermit, I decided to start here.
: 
: Any suggestions would be appreciated. I couldn't find this addressed in
: the manual(s) or Dejanews so I'm stuck.
: 

>From BUGS.TXT and the BUGS page in the HTML Manual:

253. HINT: Using SCOANSI emulation with SCO hosts

There is a type of terminal emulation commonly called ANSI, which is
used by BBS's.  It is very simple -- essentially nothing more than
what you get with ANSI.SYS on a PC.  Then there is the highly evolved
and complex version of it used on the SCO (and Linux) console.  Kermit
95 supports both; the first emulation is called ANSI; the second is
called SCOANSI.  However, the *name* SCOANSI is unknown on SCO
systems.  They call it just ANSI.  So if a Telnet client such as
Kermit 95 comes in announcing its terminal type as SCOANSI, the SCO
host doesn't recognize it.  In Kermit 95 1.1.8 and later, the Telnet
terminal-type negotiation feature will cause Kermit 95 to change to
another terminal type, most likely "plain old" ANSI.  To work around
this problem in Kermit 95:

  set terminal type scoansi
  set telnet terminal-type ansi
  set terminal character-set transparent

Or on the SCO system:

  Copy the /usr/lib/terminfo/terminfo.src entry for ansi to an
  scoansi.src file, changing "ansi" to "scoansi" in that file, and then
  run tic on it.  In /etc/termcap, add "scoansi" as an alternate name in
  the "ansi" entry.

SCO will add "scoansi" as an official terminal type (or, more
precisely, a preinstalled synonym for what it now calls "ansi") in its
next OpenServer release.  (However, as of OSR5.0.4, they have not yet
done so).

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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We are writing a test plan for Y2K compliance of Kermit.  We know this has
already been performed at Columbia U, but our customer insists that we
perform our own compliance test.  We have ordered the Kermit manual and we
are confident that with our current purchasing procedures it will arrive
sometime prior to Jan 1, 2000, but in the meantime...

Can anyone suggest a syntax for a command that uses the file collision update
feature and the /before and /after file selection switches on Solaris 2.6?
Also, how does one use the attribute packet feature?

Thanks in advance,
Nina

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In article <Pine.WNT.4.05.9810220906420.169-100000@neko.dental.washington.edu>, Andrew J Pardoe <ap@u.washington.edu> writes:
> We use K/2 and K-95 heavily to telnet to different applications throughout
> our hospital. We've run into a problem twice where the remote host will
> reset the terminal emulation of the local K-95 just after the remote login
> sequence is completed.
> 
> It's not a problem when the VT host changes the emulation from VT320 to
> VT220 but we've run into a conundrum when an SCOANSI host changes the
> emulation from SCOANSI (which works perfectly) to ANSI (which doesn't.)
> 
> Two possible solutions present themselves: first, get the host to stop
> sending a request to change terminal emulation; second, set Kermit to
> ignore any requests to change the terminal emulation. Knowing the kind of
> support one receives from Kermit, I decided to start here.
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated. I couldn't find this addressed in
> the manual(s) or Dejanews so I'm stuck.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Andrew Pardoe
> University of Washington
> 
> PS: I realize I can go back to the command line to manually reset the
> terminal emulation to what it was originally and go on my merry way.
> Unfortunately, the many of the people here wouldn't quite understand the
> concept of command line, let alone terminal emulation. Heck, Alt-X is
> probably stretching the computer skills of some...
---------
Andrew,
	Curious that you should bring up the topic because we had gone
over it recently in the project. Let me indicate the two views on the matter.
	First is the IETF view. It says when the remote host asks repeatedly
for a terminal type the client is supposed to offer new kinds in each
response, as a negotiation process. Thus if a remote host does not understand
or accept one kind it asks again and the two sides run down their lists.
Spelling counts for everything here, and no two machines seem to agree
on spelling of terminal names. The RFCs do this haggle stuff.
	The second is my view, which is the negotiation is stupid in the
extreme. When the client responds with a terminal type that's it, there
isn't more to the game. The remote host accepts or copes or rejects. The
reason haggling is so stupid is there is a great deal more concerning
terminal emulation than just the name/kind, and changing the name/kind
upsets all other items associated with the session. Keyboard definitions,
expectations by software at either end, and so on are most often tailored
for specific terminal kinds, and here the IETF says it's fine to negotiate
away that information without a word to the user. Amazing.
	The fix, if we may use that term, is to force the terminal name
in the SET TCP TERM command so only one kind is permitted to be offered,
period.
	Joe D.

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In article <zr359kB7TU8S@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
: 	Curious that you should bring up the topic because we had gone
: over it recently in the project. Let me indicate the two views on the matter.
: 	First is the IETF view. It says when the remote host asks repeatedly
: for a terminal type the client is supposed to offer new kinds in each
: response, as a negotiation process. Thus if a remote host does not understand
: or accept one kind it asks again and the two sides run down their lists.
: Spelling counts for everything here, and no two machines seem to agree
: on spelling of terminal names. The RFCs do this haggle stuff.
: 	The second is my view, which is the negotiation is stupid in the
: extreme. When the client responds with a terminal type that's it, there
: isn't more to the game. The remote host accepts or copes or rejects. The
: reason haggling is so stupid is there is a great deal more concerning
: terminal emulation than just the name/kind, and changing the name/kind
: upsets all other items associated with the session. Keyboard definitions,
: expectations by software at either end, and so on are most often tailored
: for specific terminal kinds, and here the IETF says it's fine to negotiate
: away that information without a word to the user. Amazing.
: 	The fix, if we may use that term, is to force the terminal name
: in the SET TCP TERM command so only one kind is permitted to be offered,
: period.
: 	Joe D.

Joe:

This case is not the same as the one that you and I talked about privately.
In your case, the terminal type name "VT320" is not recognized by the host,
a VMS system, but after the login occurs a terminal type query is sent
by the host which then recognizes the terminal type as a VT320.  This lack 
of host recognition of the Telnet Terminal Type negotiation is indeed 
caused by a failure of the host to have the same name for the terminal
as the emulator, but because it has an alternate identification method
things still work.

Now lets take the case above.  Kermit reports the terminal type name
as "SCOANSI" to the host, an SCO OpenServer Unix system.  "SCOANSI" is
not recognized as a valid name in the termcap and terminfo databases
an so rejects it and asks for another name.  If Kermit does not respond
with a new name and instead continues sending "SCOANSI" the result is
that the TERM environment variable is set to "SCOANSI" and all of the 
applications which are dependent on termcap and terminfo entries fail 
with something like:

  $ emacs
  emacs: Terminal type scoansi is not defined.
  If that is not the actual type of terminal you have,
  use the Bourne shell command `TERM=... export TERM' (C-shell:
  `setenv TERM ...') to specify the correct type.  It may be necessary
  to do `unset TERMCAP' (C-shell: `unsetenv TERMCAP') as well.
  $

This happens because unlike VMS, Unix does not attempt to perform 
a VT terminal id query after the login procedure succeeds when the
terminal type in unknown.

SCO has corrected this problem is their current releases by adding
"scoansi" as an alias for "ansi" in the terminfo database.  (They
still forgot to put one there in the termcap database.)

Kermit's attempt to negotiate a terminal type that SCO recognizes is the 
best method to ensure that the applications started by the user will
in fact work.  Even if it means that they won't be running in the
optimal environment.

The problem with the name "ANSI" as used by SCO is that there is no
such thing as an ANSI terminal.  The ANSI X3.64-1979 standard (since
withdrawn and replaced by ISO 6429) is just a framework upon which
manufacturers could define their terminal command sets.  It did not
specify a list of required functions, nor keyboard commands, nor
prevent multiple but incompatible implementations of the same function.
The result are implementations based on X3.64-1979 which are rather
non-interoperable.  SCO should never have called its console terminal
"ANSI", just as IBM should never have called its console driver 
"ANSI.SYS" which was then superceded by "NANSI.SYS"....

Since the SCO console is not the same as ANSI.SYS and not the same
as BeOS console or Linux console or Unixware console or QNX ANSI 
console it should not be called "ANSI".  Hence, the name "SCOANSI"
in Kermit in order to distiguish it from the previous "ANSI" terminal
type that Kermit supported which is based on "ANSI.SYS".

Kermit 95 1.1.18 will work around all of these problems.  Not by
removing the negotiation of terminal types as declared by the IETF
but by enhancing its support of it by including terminal type aliases.
As it turns out VMS uses the name "DEC-VT300" instead of "VT320" to
describe the VT320 terminal type.  SCO already had aliases for 
"ANSI" including "ANSI-850" and "ANSI-8859".  So now when "SCOANSI" is 
not recognized K95 will try the other two before switching to a
different terminal emulation.

Leaving the terminal type in a mode that is not recognized by the
host does not serve anyone's best interest.


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Thank you, Jeffrey. I knew I hadn't checked everywhere!

On 22 Oct 1998, Jeffrey Altman wrote:

> From BUGS.TXT and the BUGS page in the HTML Manual:
> 
> 253. HINT: Using SCOANSI emulation with SCO hosts


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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:

: I already know it is OK on Red Hat 5.1 (PC and Alpha), and on the Amiga
: (Red Hat 5.0).

Gee, Frank, I realize I'm not very good at building C-Kermit, but it failed
miserably on my out-of-the-box RedHat 5.1 on a PC.

(I suppose now I'll be forced to try again, and forward some logs)

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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In article <70ofhk$e9d$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
> In article <zr359kB7TU8S@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
> : 	Curious that you should bring up the topic because we had gone
> : over it recently in the project. Let me indicate the two views on the matter.
> : 	First is the IETF view. It says when the remote host asks repeatedly
> : for a terminal type the client is supposed to offer new kinds in each
> : response, as a negotiation process. Thus if a remote host does not understand
> : or accept one kind it asks again and the two sides run down their lists.
> : Spelling counts for everything here, and no two machines seem to agree
> : on spelling of terminal names. The RFCs do this haggle stuff.
> : 	The second is my view, which is the negotiation is stupid in the
> : extreme. When the client responds with a terminal type that's it, there
> : isn't more to the game. The remote host accepts or copes or rejects. The
> : reason haggling is so stupid is there is a great deal more concerning
> : terminal emulation than just the name/kind, and changing the name/kind
> : upsets all other items associated with the session. Keyboard definitions,
> : expectations by software at either end, and so on are most often tailored
> : for specific terminal kinds, and here the IETF says it's fine to negotiate
> : away that information without a word to the user. Amazing.
> : 	The fix, if we may use that term, is to force the terminal name
> : in the SET TCP TERM command so only one kind is permitted to be offered,
> : period.
> : 	Joe D.
> 
> Joe:
> 
> This case is not the same as the one that you and I talked about privately.
> In your case, the terminal type name "VT320" is not recognized by the host,
> a VMS system, but after the login occurs a terminal type query is sent
> by the host which then recognizes the terminal type as a VT320.  This lack 
> of host recognition of the Telnet Terminal Type negotiation is indeed 
> caused by a failure of the host to have the same name for the terminal
> as the emulator, but because it has an alternate identification method
> things still work.
	<omissions>
>     Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
>                  The Kermit Project * Columbia University
>               612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
>   http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org
-----------
	It is the very same thing we talked about. Please notice that I am
not critisizing K95 et al, but I am blasting the IETF for letting things
progress has they have. You nicely made my point by showing that some apps
which expect a certain terminal type recognize things are not working and
they don't work either. That is proper. Now the user has the opportunity
to do something specific about the matter, rather than being deceived
by Telnet Options. Some apps don't know and then we are in difficulties
without realizing it.
	Life would have been simpler if there had been both adherence to
the list of terminal names and timely expansion of the same, and vendors
who read before pressing keys. But like Unix itself, things got out of 
control irreversibly.
        Given the muddle my position remains: what the user selects is
what he/she expects to receive. Telnet terminal kind is only one piece
of a larger integrated sequence of actions and it cannot change its
behavior willy nilly without bad consequences. 
	What can be done? Well, there is a constructive alternative 
available to us. One, enable both ends to deal with aliases of common
terminal names. Two, allow different terminal kinds upon permission and
control of the user. The first is readily accomplished in many cases, the
second requires user interface modification.
	Joe D.

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In article <wegLF5YIzlTM@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
: 	It is the very same thing we talked about. Please notice that I am
: not critisizing K95 et al, but I am blasting the IETF for letting things
: progress has they have. You nicely made my point by showing that some apps
: which expect a certain terminal type recognize things are not working and
: they don't work either. That is proper. Now the user has the opportunity
: to do something specific about the matter, rather than being deceived
: by Telnet Options. Some apps don't know and then we are in difficulties
: without realizing it.
: 	Life would have been simpler if there had been both adherence to
: the list of terminal names and timely expansion of the same, and vendors
: who read before pressing keys. But like Unix itself, things got out of 
: control irreversibly.
:         Given the muddle my position remains: what the user selects is
: what he/she expects to receive. Telnet terminal kind is only one piece
: of a larger integrated sequence of actions and it cannot change its
: behavior willy nilly without bad consequences. 
: 	What can be done? Well, there is a constructive alternative 
: available to us. One, enable both ends to deal with aliases of common
: terminal names. Two, allow different terminal kinds upon permission and
: control of the user. The first is readily accomplished in many cases, the
: second requires user interface modification.
: 	Joe D.

There are two very different philosophies about how things should be
handled when the software configuration does not match the
requirements of the connection the user wants to make.  The first,
which is your approach, is to not do anything and wait for the user to
detect the problem and initiate a fix.  This approach makes the very
big assumption that the user will know how to determine what is wrong
and be able to fix it, or have someone locally available to do that
for them.

The second approach is to try to fix it for the user in an automated
way before the problem becomes a reality.  Very often this approach
works, and the user doesn't even know the difference.  Sometimes it
doesn't work at all and the user who knows how to fix it does, and the
ones that do not know, ask for help.  Sometimes it sort of works and
the response of the user (see previous sentence) depends upon on the
impact of the new problem.

I am a believer in the second approach.  And hence, the software that
I create tries to do things for the user whenver possible even if 
sometimes we might guess wrong.  We always provide a method for the user
to turn off the automatic mode if it is necessary.  Hence, Kermit 95
and C-Kermit (when possible):

 . auto-detect file transfers in both directions
 . configures character-sets for Text transfers and terminal emulation
 . sets the terminal window size 
 . responds to escape sequences during the INPUT command so the user
   does not have to worry about them
 . auto-switches between terminal types
 . optimizes file transfer parameters
 . auto-switches between file transfer modes based upon filename
 . automates the authentication process
 . auto-detects the modem type associated with a TAPI device
 . auto-detects the current location for dialing local, long
   distance, international calls.
 
My experience has been that as the end user population becomes more
mainstream and less techie we must attempt to automatically adjust
to the technical necessities of the moment for the user whenever 
possible.  Otherwise, one of two things happen:

 . the user base overwhelms the support personel with questions
   about why won't the modem dial, or PINE start, or the file
   transfer go fast; or

 . the user becomes frustrated and chooses another product.

Given the low volume of technical support queries that we receive
compared to our installed base, I think that we have made the 
correct set of choices.

Does this approach work all of the time?  No, but for every time
is does work, we have one less user making a phone call, sending
an e-mail or posting to a newsgroup.  And I think that is 
appreciated by our users and their local support groups.



    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
<snip..>
: To some extent -- some people have trouble, some don't.  I can't
: necessarily keep up with all the variations in the many Linux
: distributions and versions of them.  What was the Right Way to do a
: particular one day often becomes Horribly Wrong the next.
<snip..>

It's probably best to just stick with one version of Linux (e.g. Redhat)
and emphasize that in any documentation, and then it is up to package
maintainers etc to configure the relevant parts.  Actually the Redhat
people seem to be pretty good at making small modifications to software
to suit their releases, and you could then have available the "rpm" they
create.  The same could apply to other versions e.g. Debian.

It really shouldn't have to be the responsibility of a generic product
such as kermit to handle every single combination of Linux kernel and
libraries.. leave that responsibility to the package maintainers.


--
Stuart Park                             Melbourne, Australia
Senior Analyst                          E-mail: stuart@pronto.com.au
Prometheus Software

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In article <70ol1d$1el$1@samba.rahul.net>,  <dold@network.rahul.net> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: 
: : I already know it is OK on Red Hat 5.1 (PC and Alpha), and on the Amiga
: : (Red Hat 5.0).
: 
: Gee, Frank, I realize I'm not very good at building C-Kermit, but it failed
: miserably on my out-of-the-box RedHat 5.1 on a PC.
: 
: (I suppose now I'll be forced to try again, and forward some logs)
: 
Please do!  The only way I can get it right is if I get reports back about
every platform during the testing phase.  Of course it is discouraging that
one user reports success with RH 5.1 and another reports failure.

Speculation: I've had reports that RH 5.1 installation gives you the choice
about which pieces of the development environment to install, and have
encountered at least one example where the curses (aptly named!) material
was just simply missing, even though cc and make were installed, because the
user answered "no" to some question.

It sounds like there is going to be a whole new universe of problems to
cope with.  Personally, I think it's nuts to deploy UNIX systems without a
complete development environment.  This is what, historically, has
distinguished UNIX from most other platforms, and it is the primary reason
for its success.  It should be a given that programs should be buildable
from source code on any UNIX system.

- Frank

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In article <wegLF5YIzlTM@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
: ...
: 	Life would have been simpler if there had been both adherence to
: the list of terminal names and timely expansion of the same, and vendors
: who read before pressing keys. But like Unix itself, things got out of 
: control irreversibly.
:
Especially nowadays when computers are big-business and mass-market
consumer items.  The careful attention once paid to standards -- their
formulation, and subsequent adherence to them -- is pretty much out the
window.

Yet I believe we must support the standards process, both by participating
in it and by following standards even sometimes in cases when we don't
necessarily agree with them (well, within reason).

The problem at hand is what to do when the client says "I have terminal
type xyz" and the host does not understand the name "xyz".  The TELNET RFCs
allow two approaches.  One is simple: do nothing, in which case the user
can recover by hand.  The other is to negotiate through a list until an
agreeable type is found.  The tradeoffs between control (favored by the
knowledgable user) and "seamlessness" (for the less knowledgable) are
obvious.

The problem with the latter occurs not so much because a particular name
does not appear in a list at the IANA, but because no semantics are
attached to the names in the IANA terminal-type list.  Of course, when the
list was started, no semantics were needed since terminal names referred to
real physical devices with well-defined properties, published in technical
manuals.  Nowadays, many "terminal types" exist only as software
abstractions with no physical counterparts, while others are improper
emulations of physical terminals that no longer exist and whose technical
manuals are no longer available.

As noted previously in this discussion, the ANSI name is virtually
meaningless, since many vendors (and makers of shareware, freeware, etc)
have appropriated this term and applied it to their mutually incompatible
products.  This gives rise to difficulties such as the one we see when
trying to match terminal types between Kermit 95 and an SCO host, described
in a previous posting.  The problem in this case, however, is SCO's, and was
reported to them (by us) long ago, and has been addressed (partially) in SCO
Open Server 5.0.5:

  http://www.sco.com/cgi-bin/ssl_reference?109521

As Jeff noted, the automatic matching of terminal type tends to be
beneficial for the typical Kermit 95 user, who -- in 1998 -- is less of a
tinkerer than the typical MS-DOS Kermit user.  Thus, I think MS-DOS Kermit
behaves appropriately for its constituency, and so does Kermit 95.

- Frank

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I have problem that I initially dismissed as insurmountable, but 
all the smart folks in this group may be able to prove me wrong.

The objective is to transfer a *lot* of files from a VAX (VMS) to a 
PC running DOS/Windows.  On the PC, the files are to be written to
a CD using a DOS/Win hosted CD writer. The CD is to be then read 
with a CD reader mounted on a VAX.  The problem is that the RMS
record type is lost in the file transfer *unless there is some 
provision for this that I don't know about*.  From what I know 
about MS-Kermit & MS-DOS, there is no concept analagous to VMS's
RMS, and therefore no way of preserving it during file transfers.

But then, I'm not nearly the expert all of you are...

Hosting the CD writer on the VAX is not an option.  There is no 
requirement to use the files on the PC, other than to write them
to the CD.

Any suggestions welcome, including alternative file transfer
protocols/methods.

Thanks,

	---  rod.

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In article <70qaa3$5st$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>,
Rod B. Nussbaumer <bomr@lin01.triumf.ca> wrote:
: I have problem that I initially dismissed as insurmountable, but 
: all the smart folks in this group may be able to prove me wrong.
: 
: The objective is to transfer a *lot* of files from a VAX (VMS) to a 
: PC running DOS/Windows.  On the PC, the files are to be written to
: a CD using a DOS/Win hosted CD writer. The CD is to be then read 
: with a CD reader mounted on a VAX.  The problem is that the RMS
: record type is lost in the file transfer *unless there is some 
: provision for this that I don't know about*.  From what I know 
: about MS-Kermit & MS-DOS, there is no concept analagous to VMS's
: RMS, and therefore no way of preserving it during file transfers.
: 
That's absolutely correct.

: Hosting the CD writer on the VAX is not an option.  There is no 
: requirement to use the files on the PC, other than to write them
: to the CD.
: 
: Any suggestions welcome, including alternative file transfer
: protocols/methods.
: 
It's easier than you think.  Use C-Kermit 6.0 on VMS:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html

Use Kermit 95 on the PC if it is running Windows 95, 98, or NT (or OS/2):

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

Or use MS-DOS Kermit if it is running DOS or Windows 3.x:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html

Now simply tell C-Kermit to:

  SET FILE TYPE LABELED

before sending the files to the PC (see the VMS Appendix of "Using C-Kermit"
for details).  Then go ahead and put them on your CDROM.  To restore them to
VMS from the CDROM with all their original RMS attributes, use the
CKV*CVT.EXE program that comes with VMS C-Kermit (* = A for Alpha, V for VAX).

(I'm not sure if CKVxCVT can read directly from the CDROM or if the files
must first be copied to a regular VMS disk -- I don't know that much about
how VMS supports CDROMS...)

- Frank

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Rod B. Nussbaumer <bomr@lin01.triumf.ca> writes:
> Hosting the CD writer on the VAX is not an option.  There is no 
> requirement to use the files on the PC, other than to write them
> to the CD.

  I'd suggest creating a contiguous file the size of the CD on the VMS system,
mounting it as a virtual disk (using Glenn Everhart's driver), then copying
the file down to the PC and telling your CD recording software to burn a CD
using that file as an image. The Golden Hawk (http://www.goldenhawk.com) CD
software can do this, for example.

  That will give you a regular ODS-2 CD you can mount on a VMS system.

  Newer VMS versions can mount ISO CD's, so if you wanted to skip the virtual
disk stuff on the VMS system, you could just store the files in a form that
preserves the file attributes when the file is extracted - Kermit, as Frank
mentioned, BACKUP savesets (if you fiddle the record size), .ZIP files, .TLB
files, etc. But you lose direct access to the files without first extracting
them.

	Terry Kennedy		  Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	  St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
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On a windows nt 4.0 machine.  K95 wont see all the windows print queues and
thus will not print to ones it does not see.  On one machine I tried it on,
it saw no print queues at all, even though two were installed.  On a second
test machine, it saw two queues out of four.

Can't seem to figure out what would keep it from seeing the printers?
Printers are Network print queues.  All printers are HP 4000.
 MS word will print to all these queues just fine.

Any suggestions or help is appreciated.

Us k95 1.1.15  and in one case 1.1.17

Dennis



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In article <70qi1p$61u$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Den <dirvine@psln.com> wrote:
: On a windows nt 4.0 machine.  K95 wont see all the windows print queues and
: thus will not print to ones it does not see.  On one machine I tried it on,
: it saw no print queues at all, even though two were installed.  On a second
: test machine, it saw two queues out of four.
: 
: Can't seem to figure out what would keep it from seeing the printers?
: Printers are Network print queues.  All printers are HP 4000.
:  MS word will print to all these queues just fine.
: 
: Any suggestions or help is appreciated.
: 
: Us k95 1.1.15  and in one case 1.1.17

1.1.15 was unable to see Network Queues on NT 4.
This is not a problem with 1.1.17.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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I read with great interest the followups to my original problem. As the
followups were from three persons who are intimately involved with the
development of Kermit, let me throw back in a lowly enduser's perspective.

The ideal software would be that which allows you to perform your task
without noticing the software itself. Specifically, autonegotiation of
terminal type is a pretty neat trick. Assuming that both the server and
the client are using the same name for the same terminal type it's a
wonderful thing to have the correct terminal type selected without user
intervention. Ignorance, they say, is bliss. 

Unfortunately, ignorance is also just plain ignorance. When I noticed the
problem I first had to prove to myself that Kermit was capable of
negotiating the terminal type with the server. I had no idea that sort of
thing was done as my experience with telnet apps leads me to believe they
are simple and stupid (consider the name "dumb terminal", for example.) It
was no shock to learn Kermit could do this great thing as Kermit is much
more than your average telnet app but still, as the lowly enduser, I had
no idea to expect this sort of behavior from any telnet app. (Note,
though, that Kermit has provided the appropriate notification by putting
the correct terminal type on the bottom of my screen. It is the user's
responsibility to notice that the type posted was not the type specified.)

However, I expect that whenever a piece of software offers an unexpected
or extraordinary feature that the software provide a method to turn off
that feature. When I searched through my manuals I was looking for a
command similar to "SET TERMINAL TYPE AUTONEGOTIATION OFF".

Hint. 

Thank you three gentlemen, anyway, for the without question the most
valuable software on the market today. It is a pleasure to use.


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In article <Pine.WNT.4.05.9810231439280.158-100000@neko.dental.washington.edu>,
Andrew J Pardoe  <ap@u.washington.edu> wrote:
: 
: However, I expect that whenever a piece of software offers an unexpected
: or extraordinary feature that the software provide a method to turn off
: that feature. When I searched through my manuals I was looking for a
: command similar to "SET TERMINAL TYPE AUTONEGOTIATION OFF".
: 

Just as a reminder, there is a way to turn it off which is documented
in the manual and in the BUGS.TXT file.  The reason the method is not
called "SET TERMINAL TYPE-AUTONEGOTIATION OFF" is because the auto
negotiation is limited to "Telnet" protocol and therefore falls under
that command category.

The next versions of Kermit 95 and C-Kermit allow the user to
determine exactly how each of the Telnet Options is handled.  For each
telopt there is a command:

  SET TELOPT /CLIENT /SERVER <option> 
                      {REFUSE, ACCEPT, REQUEST, REQUIRE} 
                     [{REFUSE, ACCEPT, REQUEST, REQUIRE}]

which determines how the option is negotiated.  As is true for the 
current releases the SET TELNET command tree will still be used to
determine what parameters are used during the negotiation.  

The Kermit Project understands that users need the ability to have
complete control over how features behave.  In many cases, Kermit programs
have commands that allow Kermit to violate a standard simply so that it
might interoperate with other programs that violate the standard.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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I'm trying to compile a version of Kermit, any version, to
BSD 3.1.  Here's the full version it shows when I log in:

BSDI BSD/OS 3.1 Kernel #4: Thu Oct 16 16:16:52 MDT 1997

I've tried both C-Kermit 6.0 and 6.1 (beta), with the "make bsd"
option.  No success in either case.  The output when I attempted to compile
version 6.0 is at the end of this message.  6.1 gave similar output.

Is BSD 3.1 even supported by Kermit?  It isn't listed in the makefile
options.  I even tried the "make bsd211" option, but it failed too.
(I couldn't figure out where to specify my home directory for that option,
so that may have contributed to its failure.)

I appreciate any help anyone can offer.

- Tom

(Remove the numbers from my e-mail address to reply.  I don't tolerate
spammers, any such messages will be traced back to the source and reported.)

Compiling output is shown below:

make bsd
Making C-Kermit 6.0.192 for 4.2BSD...
make wermit "CFLAGS= -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET "
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckcmai.c
ckcmai.c: In function main:
ckcmai.c:1997: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckcmai.c:1997: warning: argument #3: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckcmai.c:2005: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckcmai.c:2005: warning: argument #3: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckcmai.c:2035: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckcmai.c:2035: warning: argument #3: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckcmai.c:2083: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckcmai.c:2083: warning: argument #3: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckucmd.c
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckuusr.c
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckuus2.c
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckuus3.c
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckuus4.c
ckuus4.c: In function transmit:
ckuus4.c:1135: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckuus4.c:1135: warning: assignment between incompatible pointer types
ckuus4.c:1355: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckuus4.c: In function xlate:
ckuus4.c:1431: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckuus4.c:1431: warning: assignment between incompatible pointer types
ckuus4.c:1473: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckuus5.c
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckuus6.c
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckuus7.c
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckuusx.c
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckuusy.c
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckwart.c
cc  -o wart ckwart.o 
./wart ckcpro.w ckcpro.c
14 states, 61 actions
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckcpro.c
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckcfns.c
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckcfn2.c
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckcfn3.c
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckuxla.c
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckucon.c
ckucon.c: In function ck_sndmsg:
ckucon.c:486: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckucon.c: In function pipeint:
ckucon.c:631: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckucon.c: In function conect:
ckucon.c:1556: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
cc -DBSD4 -DTCPSOCKET  -c ckutio.c
ckutio.c: In function sysinit:
ckutio.c:1363: warning: assignment between incompatible pointer types
ckutio.c:1364: warning: comparison of distinct pointer types lacks a cast
ckutio.c:1367: warning: comparison of distinct pointer types lacks a cast
ckutio.c:1374: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c: In function ttopen:
ckutio.c:1639: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c:1639: warning: assignment between incompatible pointer types
ckutio.c:1683: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c:1683: warning: assignment between incompatible pointer types
ckutio.c:1714: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c:1734: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c:1847: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c:2151: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c: In function ttclos:
ckutio.c:2235: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c:2235: warning: assignment between incompatible pointer types
ckutio.c: In function tthflow:
ckutio.c:3656: storage size of `temp' isn't known
ckutio.c:3657: `temp' undeclared (first use this function)
ckutio.c:3657: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
ckutio.c:3657: for each function it appears in.)
ckutio.c:3659: `CRTSCTS' undeclared (first use this function)
ckutio.c:3661: structure has no member named `c_cflag'
ckutio.c:3662: `TCSANOW' undeclared (first use this function)
ckutio.c:3667: `IXON' undeclared (first use this function)
ckutio.c:3667: `IXOFF' undeclared (first use this function)
ckutio.c:3667: `IXANY' undeclared (first use this function)
ckutio.c:3669: structure has no member named `c_cflag'
ckutio.c:3670: structure has no member named `c_iflag'
ckutio.c: In function conbgt:
ckutio.c:5691: warning: assignment between incompatible pointer types
ckutio.c:5692: warning: comparison of distinct pointer types lacks a cast
ckutio.c: In function conint:
ckutio.c:5746: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c:5783: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c:5787: warning: assignment between incompatible pointer types
ckutio.c:5792: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c: In function connoi:
ckutio.c:5851: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c: In function ttoc:
ckutio.c:6294: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c:6294: warning: assignment between incompatible pointer types
ckutio.c: In function ttinl:
ckutio.c:6420: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c:6420: warning: assignment between incompatible pointer types
ckutio.c: In function ttinc:
ckutio.c:6662: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c:6662: warning: assignment between incompatible pointer types
ckutio.c: In function msleep:
ckutio.c:6955: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c:6955: warning: argument #3: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c:6955: warning: argument #4: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c: In function coninc:
ckutio.c:7840: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c:7840: warning: assignment between incompatible pointer types
ckutio.c: In function ttimoff:
ckutio.c:8774: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c: In function ttruncmd:
ckutio.c:8827: warning: assignment between incompatible pointer types
ckutio.c:8828: warning: assignment between incompatible pointer types
ckutio.c:8843: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
ckutio.c:8844: warning: argument #2: argument passing between incompatible
 pointer types
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.

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falcon91@tao4.agoron23.com writes:
> I've tried both C-Kermit 6.0 and 6.1 (beta), with the "make bsd"
> option.  No success in either case.  The output when I attempted to compile
> version 6.0 is at the end of this message.  6.1 gave similar output.

  You want "make bsdi".

  I've built ck 6.0.192 on 3.0, 3.1, and 4.0 and haven't had any problems.
I have made some minor changes to the makefile (changed the description
from "BSD/386" to "BSDI BSD/OS", used the shared compilers and libs. I also
changed the HERALD string in ckuver.h to "BSDI BSD/OS" as well. But none of
that is necessary for a clean compile.

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In article <$wFIGEPQCCWK@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> terminals support an ident query, some don't, some operating systems
> know how to ask about a variety of terminals, others don't. But many do
> and the most popular terminal kinds support an ident query; we ought to
> let them have a go at it (my VMS SET TERM/INQUIRE in the login script)
> and not keep Telnet TTYPE out of the act.
      ^^^--- remove this typo. One should not try to correct English while
driving a computer, but I did anyway.
	Joe D.

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In article <Pine.WNT.4.05.9810231439280.158-100000@neko.dental.washington.edu>, Andrew J Pardoe <ap@u.washington.edu> writes:
> I read with great interest the followups to my original problem. As the
> followups were from three persons who are intimately involved with the
> development of Kermit, let me throw back in a lowly enduser's perspective.
	<omissions> 
> However, I expect that whenever a piece of software offers an unexpected
> or extraordinary feature that the software provide a method to turn off
> that feature. When I searched through my manuals I was looking for a
> command similar to "SET TERMINAL TYPE AUTONEGOTIATION OFF".
> 
> Hint. 
> 
> Thank you three gentlemen, anyway, for the without question the most
> valuable software on the market today. It is a pleasure to use.
---------
	To continue the thread just a little more. You are correct
that a manual override or control of some kind would be a good idea.
Implementing it may be a headscratcher for us keypushers, but we will see.
	The problem again is the Telnet proper part of things is only a
part of things. On most remote hosts it tries to tell, not listen but
tell, the host what kind of terminal Telnet has negotiated. Tough luck
if the host o/s never heard of that kind. On the client side the emulator
may or may not be predetermined for a given terminal kind and won't work
as expected if Telnet forces another kind.
	Here we see Telnet lives in a world of its own, without essential
feedback from the remote host o/s, nor from the client side, making its
own treaties with the opposite Telnet. That is really stupid, no two ways
about it. I do not appologize for being blunt here because the matter has
ticked me off. To be fair I am also in the "vendor camp" and should have
decoded all this years ago and done better then.
	Telnet can negotiate aliases, a list of names which function
identically, if we let it and write code to confine it to just that list.
Telnet could have negotiated with the host software (on either end) to see
if an offered name or maybe something totally new were acceptable, but it 
does not. Some folks call this a loose cannon.
	The real solution to the Telnet Terminal Type Option is to avoid
it entirely. Telnet has not a clue on the matter. Instead, what "ought"
to occur is let the terminal emulator and remote host o/s battle it out
according to the terminal specs and whatever clever Plug&Play software
resides on that remote host. The word ought is in quotes because some
terminals support an ident query, some don't, some operating systems
know how to ask about a variety of terminals, others don't. But many do
and the most popular terminal kinds support an ident query; we ought to
let them have a go at it (my VMS SET TERM/INQUIRE in the login script)
and not keep Telnet TTYPE out of the act.
	As Frank notes, and most experienced terminal emulation writers
know, terminal names on today's operating systems are whimsical in
spelling and not getting more disciplined. What might be known as "vt100"
on one is unacceptable on another yet "VT100" is, as a simple example.
Big sigh goes here. The situation is so muddled that algorithms (upper
then lower case, etc) can help only to a degree. The most sophisticated
chooser happens to be us, which is fine for the technically minded but
a pain for others.
	In this I have taken the human side of the puzzle, the exasperation
experienced when the ground shifts with little to no notice, and have taken
apart the technical mechanism (Telnet TTYPE Option) that causes it. Jeff
is trying hard to make the mechanism work as well as possible, and if one
chooses to play that game then he is doing his best. Two different approaches;
neither is perfect. Upon reflection I think the game is silly, and there
is the end-to-end approach that needs careful consideration. Even then
we are not home free on the matter.
	Joe D.

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In article <Pine.WNT.4.05.9810231439280.158-100000@neko.dental.washington.edu>,
Andrew J Pardoe  <ap@u.washington.edu> wrote:
: ...
: However, I expect that whenever a piece of software offers an unexpected
: or extraordinary feature that the software provide a method to turn off
: that feature. When I searched through my manuals I was looking for a
: command similar to "SET TERMINAL TYPE AUTONEGOTIATION OFF".
: 
In case it is not apparent after all this discussion, the command is:

  SET TELNET TERMINAL-TYPE <string>

This sends the given terminal-type string to the other host if the host
asks for a terminal type, period, the end -- no cycling thru a list, no
alternative types, no aliases.  If the host doesn't understand it, tough.

- Frank

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Tom wrote:
> I've tried both C-Kermit 6.0 and 6.1 (beta), with the "make bsd"
> option.  No success in either case.  The output when I attempted to compile
> version 6.0 is at the end of this message.  6.1 gave similar output.

Terry Kennedy wrote:
> You want "make bsdi".
> I've built ck 6.0.192 on 3.0, 3.1, and 4.0 and haven't had any problems.
> I have made some minor changes to the makefile (changed the description
> from "BSD/386" to "BSDI BSD/OS", used the shared compilers and libs. I also
> changed the HERALD string in ckuver.h to "BSDI BSD/OS" as well. But none of
> that is necessary for a clean compile.

I just gave this a try, with C-Kermit 6.0, and it looked promising for a
while... then the compiling stopped.  Output of the compiling process is
below.

By the way, Mr. Kennedy, do you have some kind of telepathic ability to
seek out SPC students and help them, no matter where they might be?

- Tom, St. Peter's College class of 1998.

(compiling output follows)

tao: (12) % make bsdi
Making C-Kermit "6.0.192" for BSD/386 ...
make wermit  "CFLAGS= -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES
 -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K  -O"  "LIBS= -lcurses -ltermcap"
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckcmai.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckucmd.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckuusr.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckuus2.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckuus3.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckuus4.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckuus5.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckuus6.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckuus7.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckuusx.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckuusy.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckwart.c
cc  -o wart ckwart.o -lcurses -ltermcap
./wart ckcpro.w ckcpro.c
14 states, 61 actions
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckcpro.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckcfns.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckcfn2.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckcfn3.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckuxla.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckucon.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckutio.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckufio.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckudia.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckuscr.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckcnet.c
cc -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID  -DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K
  -O -c ckusig.c
cc  -o wermit ckcmai.o ckutio.o  ckufio.o ckcfns.o ckcfn2.o ckcfn3.o  ckuxla.o
 ckcpro.o ckucmd.o ckuus2.o  ckuus3.o ckuus4.o ckuus5.o ckuus6.o  ckuus7.o
 ckuusx.o ckuusy.o ckuusr.o  ckucon.o ckudia.o ckuscr.o ckcnet.o  ckusig.o
 -lcurses -ltermcap
ckcmai.o: Definition of symbol _warn (multiply defined)
err.o: Definition of symbol _warn (multiply defined)
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.

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falcon56@tao2.agoron15.com writes:
> I just gave this a try, with C-Kermit 6.0, and it looked promising for a
> while... then the compiling stopped.  Output of the compiling process is
> below.
 
  Now that is *really* weird. I know I built this on BSD/OS 3.x, and I'm sure
Frank did as well (he uses my systems for compiling the pre-built binaries).
However, "warn" is a library routine in 4.4BSD and definitely conflicts with
the definition in C-K. I expect that the other 4.4BSD-based systems don't run
into this because they use ELF with weak symbols, while BSD/OS 3.x is a.out-
based.

  Anyway, if you apply the following patch to the makefile it should compile
cleanly.

*** makefile_orig	Sat Dec 28 13:18:05 1996
--- makefile	Sun Oct 25 10:22:43 1998
***************
*** 1431,1437 ****
  bsdi:
  	@echo 'Making C-Kermit $(CKVER) for BSD/386 ...'
  	$(MAKE) wermit \
! 	"CFLAGS= -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID \
  	-DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K $(KFLAGS) -O" \
  	"LIBS= -lcurses -ltermcap"
  
--- 1431,1437 ----
  bsdi:
  	@echo 'Making C-Kermit $(CKVER) for BSD/386 ...'
  	$(MAKE) wermit \
! 	"CFLAGS= -DBSD44 -DSETREUID -DSW_ACC_ID -Dwarn=wwarn\
  	-DTCPSOCKET -DCK_CURSES -DDYNAMIC -DBPS_57K $(KFLAGS) -O" \
  	"LIBS= -lcurses -ltermcap"
  
  This isn't needed for BSD/OS 4.0.

> By the way, Mr. Kennedy, do you have some kind of telepathic ability to
> seek out SPC students and help them, no matter where they might be?

  Shhhh. It's a secret 8-)

	Terry Kennedy		  Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	  St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
        +1 201 915 9381 (voice)   +1 201 435-3662 (FAX)

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In article <F1E2vB.1Au@spcuna.spc.edu>,
Terry Kennedy  <terry@spcunb.spc.edu> wrote:
: falcon56@tao2.agoron15.com writes:
: > I just gave this a try, with C-Kermit 6.0, and it looked promising for a
: > while... then the compiling stopped.  Output of the compiling process is
: > below.
:  
:   Now that is *really* weird. I know I built this on BSD/OS 3.x, and I'm sure
: Frank did as well (he uses my systems for compiling the pre-built binaries).
: However, "warn" is a library routine in 4.4BSD and definitely conflicts with
: the definition in C-K. I expect that the other 4.4BSD-based systems don't run
: into this because they use ELF with weak symbols, while BSD/OS 3.x is a.out-
: based.
: 
:   Anyway, if you apply the following patch to the makefile it should compile
: cleanly.
: 
This change was made in the C-Kermit 6.1 development version quite a while
ago.  So if you pick up C-Kermit 6.1:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html

And "make bsdi3" it should build without complaint.

- Frank

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In article <70pvt4$32q$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, 
fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu says...
>
>In article <70ol1d$1el$1@samba.rahul.net>,  <dold@network.rahul.net> wrote:
>: Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
>: 
>: : I already know it is OK on Red Hat 5.1 (PC and Alpha), and on the Amiga
>: : (Red Hat 5.0).
>: 
>: Gee, Frank, I realize I'm not very good at building C-Kermit, but it 
failed
>: miserably on my out-of-the-box RedHat 5.1 on a PC.
>: 
>: (I suppose now I'll be forced to try again, and forward some logs)
>: 
>Please do!  The only way I can get it right is if I get reports back about
>every platform during the testing phase.  Of course it is discouraging that
>one user reports success with RH 5.1 and another reports failure.
>
>Speculation: I've had reports that RH 5.1 installation gives you the choice
>about which pieces of the development environment to install, and have
>encountered at least one example where the curses (aptly named!) material
>was just simply missing, even though cc and make were installed, because 
the
>user answered "no" to some question.
>
>It sounds like there is going to be a whole new universe of problems to
>cope with.  Personally, I think it's nuts to deploy UNIX systems without a
>complete development environment.  This is what, historically, has
>distinguished UNIX from most other platforms, and it is the primary reason
>for its success.  It should be a given that programs should be buildable
>from source code on any UNIX system.

I bet you're right, since I've done this on my RedHat system. I don't really 
build programs that run under X-Windows for instance, so I didn't install 
the X-Windows developmental stuff when I first installed Linux, since I 
could always go back and install it later via RPM's if I decided that I 
really did needed it.

Is this a good or bad thing? Depends. If you think you're never really going 
to compile X-Windows stuff, is it really a wise idea to install software you 
very well may never use taking up disk space?

Shrug. It's a two-edged sword.









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Dear all,

I have installed C-Kermit 6.1 in our Redhat 5.1.
The installation was successful, and I can even connect to another modem
using atdt command.
But when I use the 'dial' command, I got the following error message,

[/dev/] C-Kermit>dial 97407554
 Trying: 97407554...
 Device: /dev/ttyS1, modem: motorola-montana, speed: 38400
 Dial timeout: 43 seconds
 To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C).
DIAL Failure: Error initializing modem.

Does anyone has an idea, what can be wrong ?

Thanks in advance,

Muljawan


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In article <363441A7.90910EC@siemens.com.sg>,
Muljawan Hendrianto  <muljawan.hendrianto@siemens.com.sg> wrote:
: I have installed C-Kermit 6.1 in our Redhat 5.1.
: The installation was successful, and I can even connect to another modem
: using atdt command.
: But when I use the 'dial' command, I got the following error message,
: 
: [/dev/] C-Kermit>dial 97407554
:  Trying: 97407554...
:  Device: /dev/ttyS1, modem: motorola-montana, speed: 38400
:  Dial timeout: 43 seconds
:  To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C).
: DIAL Failure: Error initializing modem.
: 
: Does anyone has an idea, what can be wrong ?
: 
This indicates a total failure to communicate with the modem.  The manual
goes into great detail about how to set up and troubleshoot modem connections.

You didn't show the sequence of commands you used.  It should have been:

  set modem type motorola-montana
  set line /dev/ttyS1
  set speed 38400
  dial 97407554  

in that order; the order is important.

A couple other hints:

 1. Use "set dial display on" to monitor the dialog between Kermit and
    the modem.

 2. It often happens that when ttyS1 doesn't work, cua does (and vice
    versa).  Mysteries of Linux...

 3. If the Motorola Montana is a PCMCIA or Plug-n-Play modem, you probably
    need to run some kind of special utility to set it up for use with Linux.

- Frank

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Hi,

NT4.0, K95 1.1.17, PII etc.

Multitasking does not work. When set to background, file transfer
stops. Same thing when screen goes to screen saver mode - and amazingly,
even after ss-mode was disabled, in a little while. All the power savers
have been turned off, of course.

I'm using kermit in server mode to serve as a file server for a wood 
machining center Morbidelli (wow ;). Any hints welcome!


Timo

(p.s. it's even a licensed version!)

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In article <2eww5nt4hs.fsf@chardonnay.ajk.tele.fi>,
Timo Hyvonen  <Timo.Hyvonen@iki.fi> wrote:
: Hi,
: 
: NT4.0, K95 1.1.17, PII etc.
: 
: Multitasking does not work. When set to background, file transfer
: stops. Same thing when screen goes to screen saver mode - and amazingly,
: even after ss-mode was disabled, in a little while. All the power savers
: have been turned off, of course.

The allocation of time slices is the responsibility of the OS.
K95 does not have any notion of whether it is a foreground or 
background process.  

I would suggest that you take a look at the level of boost that you
are providing foreground processes in 
  Control Panel->System->Performance

The only questions I could ask are:

. what else is running on your system?

. what service pack are you using?  SP4 was released last week.


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Hi

I want to run kermit over 57600 baud async. serial through a
proprietary transmission system/network and comes out serially
into another device. The typical transfer file size are
about 300Kbyte. (up to 1 -2 Mbyte max)

The proprietary transmission system is a CSMA/CD kind of LAN.
Its speed is around 44Kbaud and it is NOT noisy.
Note: the proprietary transmission system is about 10-20%
slower than the serial link.
It support :
a) UNACK type of transmission of data packet with 88bytes data
   payload. (quick and no guarantee of delivery)
   latency is about 40 ms per 88bytes data packet.

b) ACK type of transmission with segmentation/reassembly capability
   and arbitrary data length. (guarantee delivery)

I need to build some software in the proprietary transmission system
to convert the kermit over serial into
either a) or b) type of transmission format. (or even combination of
both)

Note: there is no HW flow control ie RTS/CTS between the serial
      link
Note: XON and XOFF is delivered transparently to the target device.

Original thought is to build something extremely simple base on
a) type of transmission.
With a scheme like the follow:
   send a packet if I receive 88bytes serially or I have not
   send a packet in last 20ms and send whatever number of bytes
   I have received.

Alternatively,
   I can look at the kermit initialization and negotiation sequence
   to figure out the packet length, window size. Look for the ^A and
   EOL to delimit each packet. And pack each kermit packet into
   type a) or type b) transmission adaptively. e.g. ACK/NAK kermit packet
   on type a) and data packet on type b).


What do you think about the 2 schemes? Would I be able to gain any throughput
improvement with the alternative scheme? How would you configure the window
size and packet size in kermit to maximize throughput? Any thing I should
take special care of when I am building something described above? Any other
ideas to get the max througput?

--
Tony

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Muljawan Hendrianto (muljawan.hendrianto@siemens.com.sg) wrote:
: Dear all,

: I have installed C-Kermit 6.1 in our Redhat 5.1.
: The installation was successful, and I can even connect to another modem
: using atdt command.
: But when I use the 'dial' command, I got the following error message,

: [/dev/] C-Kermit>dial 97407554
:  Trying: 97407554...
:  Device: /dev/ttyS1, modem: motorola-montana, speed: 38400
:  Dial timeout: 43 seconds
:  To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C).
: DIAL Failure: Error initializing modem.

: Does anyone has an idea, what can be wrong ?

Yes....

The modem is not correctly responding to one (or more) of the commands
being sent to it by kermit. If the modem really IS a motorola-montan,
then Kermit may have an error in its builtin commands for that modem.
If it is some other modem that you believe to be compatible with the
motorola montana, then it probably isn't completely so and again one of
Kermit's builtin commands is causing it to choke.

try the command:

	show modem

after having set the modem type, and it should show you the list of
what Kermit thinks are the correct commands for that modem type. If
you find some that are wrong, you can change them with the 

	set modem command <command> <value>

command.

Fred
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                         While we were still sinners, 
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Frank da Cruz wrote:

> :
> This indicates a total failure to communicate with the modem.  The
> manual
> goes into great detail about how to set up and troubleshoot modem
> connections.
>
> You didn't show the sequence of commands you used.  It should have
> been:
>
>   set modem type motorola-montana
>   set line /dev/ttyS1
>   set speed 38400
>   dial 97407554
>
> in that order; the order is important.
>
> A couple other hints:
>
>  1. Use "set dial display on" to monitor the dialog between Kermit and
>
>     the modem.
>

Thanks Frank,

After I did "set dial display on", I saw the dialog between Kermit and
the modem.
It seems that I init string is not working with my modem , since I don't
use the motorola-montana. I did follow the step you mentioned above.
My modem is Motorola Codex 3265, so it seems that I need to put in the
right init-string.
How can I do that?

thanks,
Muljawan

Device: /dev/cua1, modem: motorola-montana, speed: 38400
 Dial timeout: 43 seconds
 To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C).
+++ATQ0H0
OK
 Modem hangup OK
 Initializing: 15:33:30...
ATQ0E1X4\K5\V1
ATQ0E1X4\K5\V1
ERROR
 No response from modem, retrying...
ATQ0E1X4\K5\V1
ERROR
 No response from modem, retrying again...
ATQ0E1X4\K5\V1
ERROR
 No response from modem, retrying again...
ATQ0E1X4\K5\V1
ERROR
DIAL Failure: 15:33:31: Error initializing modem.


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Can anyone suggest a syntax for a command that uses the file collision update
feature and the /before and /after file selection switches on Solaris 2.6?


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In article <713hfu$3na$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
 <tony_w_k_wu@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
: I want to run kermit over 57600 baud async. serial through a
: proprietary transmission system/network and comes out serially
: into another device. The typical transfer file size are
: about 300Kbyte. (up to 1 -2 Mbyte max)
: 
: The proprietary transmission system is a CSMA/CD kind of LAN.
: Its speed is around 44Kbaud and it is NOT noisy.
: Note: the proprietary transmission system is about 10-20%
: slower than the serial link.
: It support :
: a) UNACK type of transmission of data packet with 88bytes data
:    payload. (quick and no guarantee of delivery)
:    latency is about 40 ms per 88bytes data packet.
: 
: b) ACK type of transmission with segmentation/reassembly capability
:    and arbitrary data length. (guarantee delivery)
: 
: I need to build some software in the proprietary transmission system
: to convert the kermit over serial into
: either a) or b) type of transmission format. (or even combination of
: both)
: 
: Note: there is no HW flow control ie RTS/CTS between the serial
:       link
: Note: XON and XOFF is delivered transparently to the target device.
: 
: Original thought is to build something extremely simple base on
: a) type of transmission.
: With a scheme like the follow:
:    send a packet if I receive 88bytes serially or I have not
:    send a packet in last 20ms and send whatever number of bytes
:    I have received.
: 
: Alternatively,
:    I can look at the kermit initialization and negotiation sequence
:    to figure out the packet length, window size. Look for the ^A and
:    EOL to delimit each packet. And pack each kermit packet into
:    type a) or type b) transmission adaptively. e.g. ACK/NAK kermit packet
:    on type a) and data packet on type b).
: 
: What do you think about the 2 schemes? Would I be able to gain any throughput
: improvement with the alternative scheme? How would you configure the window
: size and packet size in kermit to maximize throughput? Any thing I should
: take special care of when I am building something described above? Any other
: ideas to get the max througput?
: 
You didn't say what the two end systems are.  Let's assume they are two
computers capable of running relatively modern (i.e. tunable) Kermit versions.

Transmission type (a) is like an IP datagram; type (b) is like a TCP packet.
Kermit will work with either one, but if you want to use type (a) then, yes,
you should ensure that the Kermit packet fits in the 88-byte LAN packet.
This would, of course, result in rather slow transfers.  You can improve the
efficiency by choosing a Kermit window size greater than 1 (whatever works
best, up to 31 or so).  Kermit itself will handle resequencing, recovery of
lost packets, etc.

But unless there is some compelling reason not to use the guaranteed delivery
method (type (b) above), I would recommend that.  In that case, you should
be free to set the packet and windows sizes to any combination at all that
gives good performance.

>From your description, it seems the most serious problem comes from lack
of flow control between the LAN and the computer.  You say:

: Its speed is around 44Kbaud and it is NOT noisy.
: Note: the proprietary transmission system is about 10-20%
: slower than the serial link.

and:

: Note: there is no HW flow control ie RTS/CTS between the serial link
: Note: XON and XOFF is delivered transparently to the target device.

If this is true, then what prevents the computer from overrunning the LAN
when sending data into it?  End-to-end flow control will not help very much
in this situation, since it is not the target system that is being overrun.

In the absence of effective flow control between the computer and the LAN,
the only ways to prevent data loss are:

 1. Set the serial speed of the sending computer below that of the LAN,
    and of the receiving computer *higher* than that of the LAN.  This
    is obviously inconvenient, but will allow the highest transfer rates.

 2. Reduce the Kermit packet and/or window sizes to values that minimuze
    overruns and maximize throughput.

- Frank

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In article <713hfu$3na$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, tony_w_k_wu@my-dejanews.com writes:
> Hi
> 
> I want to run kermit over 57600 baud async. serial through a
> proprietary transmission system/network and comes out serially
> into another device. The typical transfer file size are
> about 300Kbyte. (up to 1 -2 Mbyte max)
> 
> The proprietary transmission system is a CSMA/CD kind of LAN.
> Its speed is around 44Kbaud and it is NOT noisy.
> Note: the proprietary transmission system is about 10-20%
> slower than the serial link.
> It support :
> a) UNACK type of transmission of data packet with 88bytes data
>    payload. (quick and no guarantee of delivery)
>    latency is about 40 ms per 88bytes data packet.
> 
> b) ACK type of transmission with segmentation/reassembly capability
>    and arbitrary data length. (guarantee delivery)
> 
> I need to build some software in the proprietary transmission system
> to convert the kermit over serial into
> either a) or b) type of transmission format. (or even combination of
> both)
> 
> Note: there is no HW flow control ie RTS/CTS between the serial
>       link
> Note: XON and XOFF is delivered transparently to the target device.
> 
> Original thought is to build something extremely simple base on
> a) type of transmission.
> With a scheme like the follow:
>    send a packet if I receive 88bytes serially or I have not
>    send a packet in last 20ms and send whatever number of bytes
>    I have received.
> 
> Alternatively,
>    I can look at the kermit initialization and negotiation sequence
>    to figure out the packet length, window size. Look for the ^A and
>    EOL to delimit each packet. And pack each kermit packet into
>    type a) or type b) transmission adaptively. e.g. ACK/NAK kermit packet
>    on type a) and data packet on type b).
> 
> 
> What do you think about the 2 schemes? Would I be able to gain any throughput
> improvement with the alternative scheme? How would you configure the window
> size and packet size in kermit to maximize throughput? Any thing I should
> take special care of when I am building something described above? Any other
> ideas to get the max througput?
-------
	The Kermit protocol presumes "the wire" is noisy, lossy, and generally
anxious to destroy data. Thus Kermits provide error checking, retries,
timeouts, sequence numbers, and selective repeat sliding windows. All but
the last are requirements for a robust protocol independent of the quality
and delay of "the wire."
	If you add reliability (point to point low level ACKs and retries)
to your wire (speaking algorithmically) then that reliability introduces
time delays. Those delays can compete with what Kermit does, and it is
not simple to predict the maximum throughput combination.
	What your wire lacks is flow control, the killer of many comms links.
Fix that and let the high level protocols, such as Kermit, take care of
recovering from missing data.
	It is a very un-good idea to try spoofing protocols by providing
synthetic ACKs and so on. The wire lies like a bandit because while ACKing
to the Kermit sender it has in fact not delivered the data to the far
end. And your scheme will be out of date as the protocol details evolve.
Telebit tried this with their modems and the results were not worth the
effort. I shudder each time I see an outfit try faking things this way.
	One guesses you are playing with a radio link, a cell phone or
similar spread spectrum arrangement. Just get flow control implemented
so that overrun data loss is miminised at the interfaces to the high level
protocols. The protocols will take care of the rest, and one then tunes
them based on particular link characteristics.
	Joe D.
	Joe D.

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In article <36359FA8.B12A7FAD@siemens.com.sg>,
Muljawan Hendrianto  <muljawan.hendrianto@siemens.com.sg> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz wrote:
: > This indicates a total failure to communicate with the modem.  The manual
: > goes into great detail about how to set up and troubleshoot modem
: > connections.
: >
: > You didn't show the sequence of commands you used.  It should have
: > been:
: >
: >   set modem type motorola-montana
: >   set line /dev/ttyS1
: >   set speed 38400
: >   dial 97407554
: >
: > in that order; the order is important.
: >
: > A couple other hints:
: >
: >  1. Use "set dial display on" to monitor the dialog between Kermit and
: >     the modem.
: 
: Thanks Frank,
: 
: After I did "set dial display on", I saw the dialog between Kermit and
: the modem.
: It seems that I init string is not working with my modem , since I don't
: use the motorola-montana. I did follow the step you mentioned above.
:
OK, so it is not a "total failure to communicate with the modem", but a
case of using an inappropriate built-in modem type, so that the first
command sent to the modem is invalid:

: ATQ0E1X4\K5\V1
: ERROR

: My modem is Motorola Codex 3265, so it seems that I need to put in the
: right init-string.  How can I do that?
: 
Evidently the Motorola Codex 3265 is not compatible with the Montana.

Please pick up C-Kermit 6.1 Beta.05 if you don't have it already:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html

Then:

 1. Try "set modem type motorola fastalk".  This is another Motorola model;
    maybe its commands are compatible with the Codex 3265.  If so, please
    let me know.

 2. Consult your modem manual to find out what its commands are and then
    follow the directions in "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition, pp.87-92, for
    modifying a modem definition or adding a new one.

 3. Send me the commands for your modem and I'll add a built-in type for
    it to the next releases of C-Kermit and K95.

- Frank

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In article <714oaq$jg3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,  <nina525@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
: How does one use the attribute packet feature?
: 
To get the answer you are looking for, you'll need to phrase your question
a bit more precisely.  If you are asking how to you configure your Kermit
software to use it, the answer is that you don't have to -- it is configured
by default and its use is negotiated automatically between the two Kermit
programs.

For details, see the appropriate manuals.

- Frank

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In article <714odc$jj3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,  <nina525@my-dejanews.com> wrote:

: Can anyone suggest a syntax for a command that uses the file collision
: update feature and the /before and /after file selection switches on
: Solaris 2.6?
: 
It depends on exactly what you are trying to accomplish.  If, for example,
you want to send files from computer A that were created between two
specific date-times to computer B, and have computer B reject those that
it already has (based on name and creation date/time), then on computer A:

  send /before:<date-time> /after:<date-time> <filespec>

and on computer B:

  set file collision update
  receive

Note: SEND-command switches are available in C-Kermit 6.1, currently in
Beta test:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html

and in Kermit 95 1.1.14 and later:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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I have created a log in script and then request a report from the Host.
Everything is fine except that I don't know how to tell it to send it to
the printer rather than the screen (both screen and printer would be
fine).

Have pity
Ayrin


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In article <363616F2.9731F58E@hotmail.com>,  <a_donis@hotmail.com> wrote:
: I have created a log in script and then request a report from the Host.
: Everything is fine except that I don't know how to tell it to send it to
: the printer rather than the screen (both screen and printer would be
: fine).
: 
Which Kermit program?  Which version?  On which kind of computer and
operating system?  On what kind of connection?


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Got the 1.1.17 update and everything is working fine now.
Thanks
Dennis
Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <70qk5n$egg$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <70qi1p$61u$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Den <dirvine@psln.com>
wrote:
>: On a windows nt 4.0 machine.  K95 wont see all the windows print queues
and
>: thus will not print to ones it does not see.  On one machine I tried it
on,
>: it saw no print queues at all, even though two were installed.  On a
second
>: test machine, it saw two queues out of four.
>:
>: Can't seem to figure out what would keep it from seeing the printers?
>: Printers are Network print queues.  All printers are HP 4000.
>:  MS word will print to all these queues just fine.
>:
>: Any suggestions or help is appreciated.
>:
>: Us k95 1.1.15  and in one case 1.1.17
>
>1.1.15 was unable to see Network Queues on NT 4.
>This is not a problem with 1.1.17.
>
>    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
>                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
>              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
>  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html *
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Fred Smith wrote:

> after having set the modem type, and it should show you the list of
> what Kermit thinks are the correct commands for that modem type. If
> you find some that are wrong, you can change them with the
>
>         set modem command <command> <value>
>
> command.
>

Thanks Fred,

I will try to find out the suitable commands for my modem and put it
into Kermit.

thanks,
Muljawan


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I have used the Motorola Codex 3265 and now have a Mtorola Codex 3266
running with Kermit 95. I ended up customising the initialisation strings
as there are different features disabled or enabled by telecommunications
requirements in different countries and practical problems like dial tone
not being detected on my exchange type.

If you send me the output of an at*st0 command I could make some
suggestions on your settings.

On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Muljawan Hendrianto wrote:

> Frank da Cruz wrote:
> 
> > :
> > This indicates a total failure to communicate with the modem.  The
> > manual
> > goes into great detail about how to set up and troubleshoot modem
> > connections.
> >
> > You didn't show the sequence of commands you used.  It should have
> > been:
> >
> >   set modem type motorola-montana
> >   set line /dev/ttyS1
> >   set speed 38400
> >   dial 97407554
> >
> > in that order; the order is important.
> >
> > A couple other hints:
> >
> >  1. Use "set dial display on" to monitor the dialog between Kermit and
> >
> >     the modem.
> >
> 
> Thanks Frank,
> 
> After I did "set dial display on", I saw the dialog between Kermit and
> the modem.
> It seems that I init string is not working with my modem , since I don't
> use the motorola-montana. I did follow the step you mentioned above.
> My modem is Motorola Codex 3265, so it seems that I need to put in the
> right init-string.
> How can I do that?
> 
> thanks,
> Muljawan
> 


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If you are using Kermit 95 with Kerberos (any version) on NT
you must be aware of the following known problem with Service Pack 4:

When SP4 is installed on a laptop or other machine that has
an Ethernet adapter which may be removed from the system, if the
machine attaches to the network via a PPP Adapter, Kerberos will
be unable to determine the proper IP address being used by the
computer.  Instead of using the IP address assigned to the PPP
adapter, it will instead use the IP address of the Ethernet adapter. 
This will cause all generated service tickets to be rejected by
their hosts.

If you use K95 and Kerberos on NT, make sure that users who might
be affected by this problem do not install SP4.  

Since it is unlikely that Microsoft will produce a Post-SP4 fix
to this problem (a similar problem is already in Win98 Winsock 2)
the only solution is to distribute new versions of the Kerberos
libraries when they are available.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

> I would suggest that you take a look at the level of boost that you
> are providing foreground processes in 
>   Control Panel->System->Performance

Ok...
 
> The only questions I could ask are:

> . what else is running on your system?

Nothing.
 
> . what service pack are you using?  SP4 was released last week.

Gotta check that - it's most probably SP3.

Thanks!

Timo

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In article <2er9vtfbqy.fsf@chardonnay.ajk.tele.fi>,
Timo Hyvonen  <Timo.Hyvonen@iki.fi> wrote:
: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
: 
: > I would suggest that you take a look at the level of boost that you
: > are providing foreground processes in 
: >   Control Panel->System->Performance
: 
: Ok...
:  
: > The only questions I could ask are:
: 
: > . what else is running on your system?
: 
: Nothing.
:  
: > . what service pack are you using?  SP4 was released last week.
: 
: Gotta check that - it's most probably SP3.
: 
: Thanks!
: 
: Timo


More info: is this a multi-processor system?  If so, SP4 corrects
a bug in NT that causes console applications to run very slowly on
multi-processor systems (they were holding on to mutex locks for too
long.)

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
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Kermit-95 for 32-bit Windows 1.1.11
C-Kermit 6.0.192
is running on a Windows 95 system, this is a dial-up connection.

Frank da Cruz wrote:

> In article <363616F2.9731F58E@hotmail.com>,  <a_donis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> : I have created a log in script and then request a report from the Host.
> : Everything is fine except that I don't know how to tell it to send it to
> : the printer rather than the screen (both screen and printer would be
> : fine).
> :
> Which Kermit program?  Which version?  On which kind of computer and
> operating system?  On what kind of connection?


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In article <36372CDC.348C9284@netscape.com>,
Ayrin Hilbert  <ayrin@netscape.com> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz wrote:
: > In article <363616F2.9731F58E@hotmail.com>,  <a_donis@hotmail.com> wrote:
: > : I have created a log in script and then request a report from the Host.
: > : Everything is fine except that I don't know how to tell it to send it to
: > : the printer rather than the screen (both screen and printer would be
: > : fine).
: > :
: > Which Kermit program?  Which version?  On which kind of computer and
: > operating system?  On what kind of connection?
: 
: Kermit-95 for 32-bit Windows 1.1.11
: C-Kermit 6.0.192
: is running on a Windows 95 system, this is a dial-up connection.
: 
If you have Kermit 95, then all the information you need is in the manual.
First, make sure you have the current version, 1.1.17.  If you don't, patch
up to it:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html

Then start the Dialer, click on Help, choose Manual, and read the section
on printing.

- Frank


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In article <7168g2$c23$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: 
: If you are using Kermit 95 with Kerberos (any version) on NT
: you must be aware of the following known problem with Service Pack 4:
: 
: When SP4 is installed on a laptop or other machine that has
: an Ethernet adapter which may be removed from the system, if the
: machine attaches to the network via a PPP Adapter, Kerberos will
: be unable to determine the proper IP address being used by the
: computer.  Instead of using the IP address assigned to the PPP
: adapter, it will instead use the IP address of the Ethernet adapter. 
: This will cause all generated service tickets to be rejected by
: their hosts.
: 
: If you use K95 and Kerberos on NT, make sure that users who might
: be affected by this problem do not install SP4.  
: 
: Since it is unlikely that Microsoft will produce a Post-SP4 fix
: to this problem (a similar problem is already in Win98 Winsock 2)
: the only solution is to distribute new versions of the Kerberos
: libraries when they are available.

The immediate work-around is not to allow your users to use static
IP addresses and instead require that all adapters use DHCP to retrieve
that IP addresses even if they are static.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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I have a script that I would like to send variables from the command prompt.

kermit  script-name  variable1  variable2  variable3 variable4

$kermit maillogs 10.2.2.14 joebloe joepasswd maillog

This script logs into our Linux box and then excutes a script called maillog
which mails us a log of a number of services.

I already have the script written and works great when I execute

$kermit maillogs

It ask us for the ip address, username, password and the script to execute
but what I want it to do is accept these variables from the command prompt
so I can then incorporate this into our database.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Michael Rose



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In article <71810c$31v$1@supernews.com>, Michael Rose <mike@tegris.com> wrote:
: I have a script that I would like to send variables from the command prompt.
: 
: kermit  script-name  variable1  variable2  variable3 variable4
: 
Let's assume you are talking about C-Kermit 6.0.

: $kermit maillogs 10.2.2.14 joebloe joepasswd maillog
: 
This can't work because "10.2.2.14", "joebloe", "joepasswd", and "maillog"
are not valid C-Kermit command-line arguments.

: Any help would be greatly appreciated.
: 
The trick that you are looking for is documented, somewhat obscurely,
on pages 353, 383, 469, and 513 of "Using C-Kermit", 2nd edition:

 1. If you put an "=" sign (surrounded by whitespace) on the command line,
    the following words are ignored, but still assigned to the argument
    vector array, \&@[].

 2. You can use a FOR loop to loop through the argument vector array
    elements until you find the one whose value is "=".

 3. The ones after that are your variables.

Example:

  $kermit maillogs = 10.2.2.14 joebloe joepasswd maillog

(note insertion of "=" sign)

The maillogs script can retrieve the arguments as follows:

  local \%i \%k
  for \%i 0 \v(args)-1 1 {
      xif equal "\&@[\%k]" "=" {
          assign \%k \%i
          increment \%k
          break
      }
  }

At this point, if \%k is defined, it is the index of your first variable:

  \&@[\%k]   is 10.2.2.14
  \&@[\%k+1] is joebloe
  \&@[\%k+2] is joepasswd
  \&@[\%k+3] is joepasswd
  \&@[\%k+4] is maillog

Granted, this is obscure, nonintuitive, and cryptic.  The next version
of C-Kermit will include a much better way to access these variables:
within the script, you will be able to refer to these variables like this:

  \%0 = the name of the script file   (maillogs)
  \%1 = the first argument after "="  (10.2.2.14)
  \%2 = the second argument after "=" (joeblow)

and so on.  (This feature is not in C-Kermit 6.1 Beta.05; it will be in
7.0 Alpha.01 and in the next release of K-95 -- watch this space for
announcements.)  

By the way, the reason for the "=" is to allow a mixture of arguments to
Kermit and arguments to the script on the same command line.  Thus, both
examples above would work just as well if your command line was:

  $kermit maillogs -i -Q -Y -H = 10.2.2.14 joebloe joepasswd maillog

And finally, note that you can remove the word "kermit" from the command line
if you first:

  chmod +x maillogs

and put:

  #!/usr/local/bin/kermit

as the first line (substitute the actual pathname of the Kermit executable).

Now you can just run the script as if it were a shell script (except that
you still need the "=" to precede the argument list):

  $maillogs = 10.2.2.14 joebloe joepasswd maillog

See p.513 for details.

- Frank

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jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

> More info: is this a multi-processor system?  If so, SP4 corrects
> a bug in NT that causes console applications to run very slowly on
> multi-processor systems (they were holding on to mutex locks for too
> long.)

No, just plain Pentium. Former word processor that got a better job as a
file storage computer.


Timo


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I did uprade to the latest version, and while that did give me a lot more in the
way of online help and I read more of the manual my problem is still not solved.
The purpose of my script is to log on, print a report, then log off.  All of this
without the user, after the initail double click on an icon.  After the dialing
part of my script I have:
output \13
input 15 Host Name:
output CXXX\13
input 3 Please enter your Access Code?
output TXXXX\13
input 3 Please enter your Access Code?
output TXXXX\13
input 5 PASSWORD:
output SXXXX\13
set printer /windows
input 5 Request?:
output 211\13

Before the last two line is where I would like to turn the printer on.  From the
text I read that I should type alt-o, I tried to send this in the code by using
%o, this did not work.

Also upgrading to the new version gave me errors when I used the batch file and
ini to set up this PC as a host.  I reinstalled the old version from disk.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks
Ayrin

Frank da Cruz wrote:

> In article <36372CDC.348C9284@netscape.com>,
> Ayrin Hilbert  <ayrin@netscape.com> wrote:
> : Frank da Cruz wrote:
> : > In article <363616F2.9731F58E@hotmail.com>,  <a_donis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> : > : I have created a log in script and then request a report from the Host.
> : > : Everything is fine except that I don't know how to tell it to send it to
> : > : the printer rather than the screen (both screen and printer would be
> : > : fine).
> : > :
> : > Which Kermit program?  Which version?  On which kind of computer and
> : > operating system?  On what kind of connection?
> :
> : Kermit-95 for 32-bit Windows 1.1.11
> : C-Kermit 6.0.192
> : is running on a Windows 95 system, this is a dial-up connection.
> :
> If you have Kermit 95, then all the information you need is in the manual.
> First, make sure you have the current version, 1.1.17.  If you don't, patch
> up to it:
>
>   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html
>
> Then start the Dialer, click on Help, choose Manual, and read the section
> on printing.
>
> - Frank


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In article <3638AF9D.33522C89@netscape.com>,
Ayrin Hilbert  <ayrin@netscape.com> wrote:

: I did uprade to the latest version, and while that did give me a lot
more in the : way of online help and I read more of the manual my
problem is still not solved.  : The purpose of my script is to log on,
print a report, then log off.  All of this : without the user, after
the initail double click on an icon.  After the dialing : part of my
script I have:

: output \13
: input 15 Host Name:
: output CXXX\13
: input 3 Please enter your Access Code?
: output TXXXX\13
: input 3 Please enter your Access Code?
: output TXXXX\13
: input 5 PASSWORD:
: output SXXXX\13
: set printer /windows
: input 5 Request?:
: output 211\13


: Before the last two line is where I would like to turn the printer
on.  From the : text I read that I should type alt-o, I tried to send
this in the code by using : %o, this did not work.

Printing the report is started by the host not by the user in most
cases.  What is the application on the host?  How is the report
being output?

Pressing Alt-o activates a Keyboard verb.  To use a Keyboard verb in 
a script simply place the verb in the script as a command.

\Kprtauto

: Also upgrading to the new version gave me errors when I used the
batch file and : ini to set up this PC as a host.  I reinstalled the
old version from disk.

Would you care to tell us what errors were reported?  Look in PATCH.ERR.

We do not recommend returning to out of date versions of the software
unless there is a really good reason to do so.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Thanks! Your information helped solve a number of problems I've had with
scripting.

Regards,

Michael Rose

Frank da Cruz wrote in message <718456$a8l$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <71810c$31v$1@supernews.com>, Michael Rose <mike@tegris.com>
wrote:
>: I have a script that I would like to send variables from the command
prompt.
>:
>: kermit  script-name  variable1  variable2  variable3 variable4
>:
>Let's assume you are talking about C-Kermit 6.0.
>
>: $kermit maillogs 10.2.2.14 joebloe joepasswd maillog
>:
>This can't work because "10.2.2.14", "joebloe", "joepasswd", and "maillog"
>are not valid C-Kermit command-line arguments.
>
>: Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>:
>The trick that you are looking for is documented, somewhat obscurely,
>on pages 353, 383, 469, and 513 of "Using C-Kermit", 2nd edition:
>
> 1. If you put an "=" sign (surrounded by whitespace) on the command line,
>    the following words are ignored, but still assigned to the argument
>    vector array, \&@[].
>
> 2. You can use a FOR loop to loop through the argument vector array
>    elements until you find the one whose value is "=".
>
> 3. The ones after that are your variables.
>
>Example:
>
>  $kermit maillogs = 10.2.2.14 joebloe joepasswd maillog
>
>(note insertion of "=" sign)
>
>The maillogs script can retrieve the arguments as follows:
>
>  local \%i \%k
>  for \%i 0 \v(args)-1 1 {
>      xif equal "\&@[\%k]" "=" {
>          assign \%k \%i
>          increment \%k
>          break
>      }
>  }
>
>At this point, if \%k is defined, it is the index of your first variable:
>
>  \&@[\%k]   is 10.2.2.14
>  \&@[\%k+1] is joebloe
>  \&@[\%k+2] is joepasswd
>  \&@[\%k+3] is joepasswd
>  \&@[\%k+4] is maillog
>
>Granted, this is obscure, nonintuitive, and cryptic.  The next version
>of C-Kermit will include a much better way to access these variables:
>within the script, you will be able to refer to these variables like this:
>
>  \%0 = the name of the script file   (maillogs)
>  \%1 = the first argument after "="  (10.2.2.14)
>  \%2 = the second argument after "=" (joeblow)
>
>and so on.  (This feature is not in C-Kermit 6.1 Beta.05; it will be in
>7.0 Alpha.01 and in the next release of K-95 -- watch this space for
>announcements.)
>
>By the way, the reason for the "=" is to allow a mixture of arguments to
>Kermit and arguments to the script on the same command line.  Thus, both
>examples above would work just as well if your command line was:
>
>  $kermit maillogs -i -Q -Y -H = 10.2.2.14 joebloe joepasswd maillog
>
>And finally, note that you can remove the word "kermit" from the command
line
>if you first:
>
>  chmod +x maillogs
>
>and put:
>
>  #!/usr/local/bin/kermit
>
>as the first line (substitute the actual pathname of the Kermit
executable).
>
>Now you can just run the script as if it were a shell script (except that
>you still need the "=" to precede the argument list):
>
>  $maillogs = 10.2.2.14 joebloe joepasswd maillog
>
>See p.513 for details.
>
>- Frank



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This is what is displayed.
?Connection on Com2 is not open.
?Connection on Com2 is not open.
?Connection on Com2 is not open.

?Carrier required but not detected
?Connection on Com2 is not open.
?Connection on Com2 is not open.
?Connection on Com2 is not open.
?Connection on Com2 is not open.
Closing Com2...Ok

I have included all of the files that are used and worked before the upgrade.

Jeffrey Altman wrote:

> In article <3638AF9D.33522C89@netscape.com>,
> Ayrin Hilbert  <ayrin@netscape.com> wrote:
>
> : I did uprade to the latest version, and while that did give me a lot
> more in the : way of online help and I read more of the manual my
> problem is still not solved.  : The purpose of my script is to log on,
> print a report, then log off.  All of this : without the user, after
> the initail double click on an icon.  After the dialing : part of my
> script I have:
>
> : output \13
> : input 15 Host Name:
> : output CXXX\13
> : input 3 Please enter your Access Code?
> : output TXXXX\13
> : input 3 Please enter your Access Code?
> : output TXXXX\13
> : input 5 PASSWORD:
> : output SXXXX\13
> : set printer /windows
> : input 5 Request?:
> : output 211\13
>
> : Before the last two line is where I would like to turn the printer
> on.  From the : text I read that I should type alt-o, I tried to send
> this in the code by using : %o, this did not work.
>
> Printing the report is started by the host not by the user in most
> cases.  What is the application on the host?  How is the report
> being output?
>
> Pressing Alt-o activates a Keyboard verb.  To use a Keyboard verb in
> a script simply place the verb in the script as a command.
>
> \Kprtauto
>
> : Also upgrading to the new version gave me errors when I used the
> batch file and : ini to set up this PC as a host.  I reinstalled the
> old version from disk.
>
> Would you care to tell us what errors were reported?  Look in PATCH.ERR.
>
> We do not recommend returning to out of date versions of the software
> unless there is a really good reason to do so.
>
>     Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
>                  The Kermit Project * Columbia University
>               612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
>   http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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: This is what is displayed.
: ?Connection on Com2 is not open.
: ?Connection on Com2 is not open.
: ?Connection on Com2 is not open.
: 
: ?Carrier required but not detected
: ?Connection on Com2 is not open.
: ?Connection on Com2 is not open.
: ?Connection on Com2 is not open.
: ?Connection on Com2 is not open.
: Closing Com2...Ok
: 
: I have included all of the files that are used and worked before the upgrade.

You are using 

  SET PORT COM2

followed by INPUT and OUTPUT commands.  If you do not have a connection
then in order for the INPUT and OUTPUT commands to work you must turn
of Carrier Watch.

  SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF

But given what you are trying to accomplish you are most likely better 
off with:

  SET PORT COM2
  SET SPEED ...
  SET FLOW ...
  SET MODEM TYPE ...
  ANSWER
  SERVER
  HANGUP


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Could you elaborate on the decision to use "="?  I always thought "--"
would have been better, as many programs (at least in *IX
environments) use "--" to separate program options from program
arguments (that would have been my choice).
-- 
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Hi,
I have no experience with kermit or kermit scripts.
Now i have to transfer a file from a Unix machine to another Pc on a
different location.
Is it possible to use kermit to tranfer the file from the unix, (it has a
serial link to a pc) form the unisys computer to a pc and to use the modem
to dial a number and send the file to the pc?
the problem is that the file has been generated from time to time (about 2
time an hour) and that the file has to send to the pc using a modem.

who can help me?


greetings and thanks

siemon stegmeijer
beatrixo@noord.bart.nl


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Heven't heard mention for quite a while...


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In article <363daea0.0@news.ic.net>, "Michael Kairys" <kairys@mi.sl.com> writes:
> Heven't heard mention for quite a while...
-------
	Watching from the sidelines on this one. You know, there is a
common situation that drives people batty. When we are working hard and
intently on some problem and the end is not in sight, sure enough our
friends pop in and blithely ask "What's wrong and when will you be done?"
Our reaction is unprintable at best, isn't it. Not only an interruption
and request for personal fulfillment, but a question about details which 
we are slaving to come to grips with. 
	This situation happens to all of us. My best suggestion is to
quietly wait for word to be put out. Don't walk into a situation that
is taxing folks and ask "What's going on?"
	Joe D.

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>Our reaction is unprintable at best, isn't it. Not only an interruption
>and request for personal fulfillment, but a question about details which
>we are slaving to come to grips with.


I've been a user and beta tester of Kermit on several platforms for almost
ten years now, and I have never had such a reaction from the Kermit
developers. If they regard such a posting in a public newsgroup as an
interruption or in any way unwelcome I would like to hear that from them.


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In article <71g2db$l03$1@post.servtech.com>,
 <rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com> wrote:
: Could you elaborate on the decision to use "="?  I always thought "--"
: would have been better, as many programs (at least in *IX
: environments) use "--" to separate program options from program
: arguments (that would have been my choice).
:
No special reason.  We (I) did this quite a while ago and had never seen
any guidelines on this.  Do you have a reference?

- Frank

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In article <363daea0.0@news.ic.net>, Michael Kairys <kairys@mi.sl.com> wrote:
: Heven't heard mention for quite a while...
: 
We're still working on it :-)

Very briefly, the problem is not so much the GUIness per se (which is
of course in itself a "stout" piece of work), but maintaining our base
of common code.

Somewhat less briefly...  As you may know (it's no secret), Kermit 95
is built on the command parser and protocol engine of C-Kermit, which
turn runs on quite literally hundreds of other platforms.  The command
parser forms the basis for the script language -- a major attraction of
Kermit 95 and most other Kermit software -- and so cannot be simply tossed
out in favor of GUI dialogs.  Thus GUI dialogs (thousands of them) must be
*added*.  However, the structure of a Windows application is radically
different from C-Kermit's current structure.  Therefore, to be able to
control Kermit 95 from either a script or GUI dialog panels requires a
massive rewrite of 15 years of code in a way that will work in both 
UNIX, VMS, etc, as it does now, and also can fit into the event-queue
structure required by Windows.  This sort of job pretty much requires that
we shut our ears to the world for several months while we concentrate on
this, dare I say, Augean task.

If this was all we had to do, we'd have done it by now.  But there has also
been a neverending series of demands for new features and "compliance" with
this or that new three-letter acronym, not to mention Year 2000, Euro,
assorted security schemes, etc, which can not be ignored.

The current plan is:

 . Finish and release C-Kermit 7.0.
 . Release K95 1.1.18, which will be based on C-Kermit 7.0.

Then the GUI.

Incidentally, I don't necessarily subscribe to the view that All Must Be
GUI.  The command line is quite powerful, flexible, and even user friendly
if you take the time to learn it -- and Kermit 95, like other communications
software, demands that the user invest some time in learning because its
domain is uncontained and uncontrolled.  In the case of Windows 95 and 98,
however, GUIness is important for quite a different reason -- to escape the
countless bugs and aggravating limitations of the Windows console
environment (to name just two: we can't use a Unicode font, and we can't
do graphics emulations such as Tektronix).  So you can be sure this is a
priority for us.

All of this will take quite a few more months.  In the meantime, I like to
think that Kermit 95 is quite useful in its current form.  It has the added
benefit that most of its thousands of functions can be activated without
your hands ever needing to leave the keyboard.

- Frank

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In article <71k3cu$176$1@freyja.bart.nl>,
stegmeijer <beatrixo@noord.bart.nl> wrote:
: I have no experience with kermit or kermit scripts.
: Now i have to transfer a file from a Unix machine to another Pc on a
: different location.
: Is it possible to use kermit to tranfer the file from the unix, (it has a
: serial link to a pc) form the unisys computer to a pc and to use the modem
: to dial a number and send the file to the pc?
: the problem is that the file has been generated from time to time (about 2
: time an hour) and that the file has to send to the pc using a modem.
: 
The Kermit software for UNIX is C-Kermit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html

Specific versions are available for most UNIX varieties in binary form,
and for (hopefully) *all* UNIX varieties in source form.

You didn't say what the other platform is.  However, most likely there is
also a Kermit program available for it.  See the Kermit website:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

The scripting language is documented in the manuals:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html

It should let you create script programs to do just about anything you can
think of.

- Frank

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This is probably a question out of left field, but have you thought
about doing the GUI by taking the C code, running it through something
like SWIG (http://www.swig.org/), and then building the GUI using Tk
(http://www.scriptics.com/)?

I realize that this has the disadvantage of connecting Kermit to a
huge program that you don't have any control over, but it also
keeps you out of the business of having to your own portable GUI
library.

David S. Cargo


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In article <71lctk$gtl$1@shadow.skypoint.net>,
David S Cargo <escargo@mirage.skypoint.net> wrote:
: This is probably a question out of left field, but have you thought
: about doing the GUI by taking the C code, running it through something
: like SWIG (http://www.swig.org/), and then building the GUI using Tk
: (http://www.scriptics.com/)?
: 
: I realize that this has the disadvantage of connecting Kermit to a
: huge program that you don't have any control over, but it also
: keeps you out of the business of having to your own portable GUI
: library.
: 
Hi David.

Well, yes, we've considered a lot of things.  At this point the GUI
library isn't the issue -- it's the structure of C-Kermit itself,
which until now has been a "modal" program.  Before it can be GUI'd, it
must be turned inside out, chopped up, and reassembled into a form that
can (but need not be) event driven.  Furthermore, every action that results
from command parsing must be carefully isolated from the parsing itself.
No automated tool can do this.

- Frank

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On 2 Nov 1998 18:36:34 GMT, Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <363daea0.0@news.ic.net>, Michael Kairys <kairys@mi.sl.com> wrote:
>: Heven't heard mention for quite a while...
>: 
>We're still working on it :-)
>
>Very briefly, the problem is not so much the GUIness per se (which is
>of course in itself a "stout" piece of work), but maintaining our base
>of common code.
>
>Somewhat less briefly...  As you may know (it's no secret), Kermit 95

[ cut ]

>The current plan is:
>
> . Finish and release C-Kermit 7.0.
> . Release K95 1.1.18, which will be based on C-Kermit 7.0.
>
>Then the GUI.
>
>Incidentally, I don't necessarily subscribe to the view that All Must Be
>GUI.  The command line is quite powerful, flexible, and even user friendly
>if you take the time to learn it -- and Kermit 95, like other communications
>software, demands that the user invest some time in learning because its
>domain is uncontained and uncontrolled.  In the case of Windows 95 and 98,
>however, GUIness is important for quite a different reason -- to escape the
>countless bugs and aggravating limitations of the Windows console
>environment (to name just two: we can't use a Unicode font, and we can't
>do graphics emulations such as Tektronix).  So you can be sure this is a
>priority for us.

I couldn't agree more: Console / command line is often way better
(leaner on resources, for instance) and usable remotely. I do telnet
into my OS/2 box and then go on from there, neither Windows' nor OS/2's 
graphics system are network transparent (X is), so a command line client
is needed to use stuff remotely. The only thing that keeps me longing
for a graphical terminal is Tektronix emulation, so I can see quick
plots and such without having to start up X(Free). I once used a full
commercial Tektronix emulator under DOS and needed only a small number
of its features, so I'd be happy with that. Alas, I recall reading that
the OS/2 Kermit will remain text mode only?

>All of this will take quite a few more months.  In the meantime, I like to
>think that Kermit 95 is quite useful in its current form.  It has the added
>benefit that most of its thousands of functions can be activated without
>your hands ever needing to leave the keyboard.


Right. Appreciated by people who use a computer most of the day.

 Cheers,  Stefan

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In article <363dec02.0@news.ic.net>, "Michael Kairys" <kairys@mi.sl.com> wrote:

>
>>Our reaction is unprintable at best, isn't it. Not only an interruption
>>and request for personal fulfillment, but a question about details which
>>we are slaving to come to grips with.
>
>I've been a user and beta tester of Kermit on several platforms for almost
>ten years now, and I have never had such a reaction from the Kermit
>developers. If they regard such a posting in a public newsgroup as an
>interruption or in any way unwelcome I would like to hear that from them.

    Joe =is= one of the Kermit developers.  Specifically, he maintains
    MS (DOS) Kermit.

    Joe:  I understand your frustration, but I would think that the
    above is preferable to the alternative of no one inquiring (as a
    result of no one being interested).  A pointer to a (brief) web page
    containing the current status of the project might be preferable.

-- 
jhurwit@netcom.com                                       Jeffrey Hurwit
         "Sometimes, I just can't help myself!"  --Babs Bunny

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In article <71ldoh$gmf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>Hi David.
And hi, back.

>Well, yes, we've considered a lot of things.  At this point the GUI
>library isn't the issue -- it's the structure of C-Kermit itself,
>which until now has been a "modal" program.  Before it can be GUI'd, it
>must be turned inside out, chopped up, and reassembled into a form that
>can (but need not be) event driven.  Furthermore, every action that results
>from command parsing must be carefully isolated from the parsing itself.
>No automated tool can do this.

I didn't think that SWIG would automate the turning inside out, chopping,
and reassembling.  I was addressing only the interfacing the resulting
pieces with a GUI.  Knowing ahead of time that you would be interfacing
with Tcl and Tk would probably mean a different partitioning of the
resulting pieces than if you wouldn't.

One of the mixed differences would be that you could use tcl as the
scripting language.  You could also use tcl to write an interpreter for
the existing scripting language for compatability.

Mainly, I was seeing Tk as a way for you to avoid the creation of yet
another graphics library.

David


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>We're still working on it :-)


Thank you, Frank, for taking the time to write such a detailed response.




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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: We're still working on it :-)

: out in favor of GUI dialogs.  Thus GUI dialogs (thousands of them) must be

GUI dialogs?  I don't want those.
What I want is to be able to keep all of my scripts (currently executable
on multiple platforms), and a command line that continues to be nearly
identical on all of the platforms.

What I need in GUI is the connect, terminal, and script invocation part.

Are you intending to make Kermit more GUI than PCPlus?  I think PCPlus has
some poor programming and default operations, but I am near putting it in
place in lieu of K-95...

I need a GUI looking terminal screen, with some clickable thingies to
connect to various computers... Very close to what K95 offers since the K95
1.0 "dialer" window.  Making the command screen non-existent is also
important.  There should be an option to _never_ show the command screen.
When the connection closes, or can't dial, or whatever, no command screen
with the (shudder) typed word "exit", just bail out, back to the "dialer".

The desktop icons representing connections put me very close.  If you could
just have a drop down clickable list of macros (scripts) in a terminal
window, I'd go now.

My problem with indeterminate product development cycles is that I don't
know how long to wait.  I won't ever use a GUI script development, I don't
think.  If K-95 1.17 is all I've got to work with for another year, I'll
buy 20 copies and be done.  I need the scripting.  My users want to click
on developed product.  They don't want scripting authoring at all, I don't
want GUI in my scripting.

I've used Kermit since 2.0, now I'm waiting for 2.0 again ;-)

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In article <71nirb$6l7$1@samba.rahul.net>,  <dold@network.rahul.net> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: : We're still working on it :-)
: 
: : out in favor of GUI dialogs.  Thus GUI dialogs (thousands of them) must be
: 
: GUI dialogs?  I don't want those.
:
Experienced users tend not to care about these, but new users do need them.
Most software these days caters to new users at the expense of experienced
ones.  After all, if you're experienced with a certain product, the vendor
already has your money.  We'd like to expand our user base too -- as a matter
of survival -- but unlike most other vendors, we do not plan to do so at
the expense of our current user base.

: What I want is to be able to keep all of my scripts (currently executable
: on multiple platforms), and a command line that continues to be nearly
: identical on all of the platforms.
: 
You will have that.  Even the full GUI version will have a command window
that is essentially identical to the current one, but there will be other
windows besides.  For example, you'll be able to see the command and terminal
windows at the same time, and there might also be a client/server window,
a graphics window (for Tektronix), etc.

: What I need in GUI is the connect, terminal, and script invocation part.
: 
Right.

: Are you intending to make Kermit more GUI than PCPlus?  I think PCPlus has
: some poor programming and default operations, but I am near putting it in
: place in lieu of K-95...
: 
You can get a pretty good idea from:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/kuishots.html

These are preliminary screen shots, but the concept is about right.

: I need a GUI looking terminal screen, with some clickable thingies to
: connect to various computers... Very close to what K95 offers since the K95
: 1.0 "dialer" window.  Making the command screen non-existent is also
: important.
:
You'll be able to hide the command screen.

: There should be an option to _never_ show the command screen.
: When the connection closes, or can't dial, or whatever, no command screen
: with the (shudder) typed word "exit", just bail out, back to the "dialer".
: 
Right.

: The desktop icons representing connections put me very close.  If you could
: just have a drop down clickable list of macros (scripts) in a terminal
: window, I'd go now.
: 
That's part of the plan.

: My problem with indeterminate product development cycles is that I don't
: know how long to wait.  I won't ever use a GUI script development, I don't
: think.  If K-95 1.17 is all I've got to work with for another year, I'll
: buy 20 copies and be done.  I need the scripting.  My users want to click
: on developed product.  They don't want scripting authoring at all, I don't
: want GUI in my scripting.
: 
: I've used Kermit since 2.0, now I'm waiting for 2.0 again ;-)
: 
We do our best.  We have less than half the programmers we had in the
old days when Kermit was a sponsored project -- such are the realities of
self-funding.

- Frank

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On 2 Nov 1998 18:36:34 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
wrote:
>Incidentally, I don't necessarily subscribe to the view that
>All Must Be GUI.

Hooray!

>to escape the countless bugs and aggravating limitations of the
>Windows console environment

My "favorite": If the PC is busy, actually doing something, and you
have the absolute gall to type at a console window during this time,
the typed characters are delivered to the program LIFO, rather than
FIFO. Double Plus Un-Good.

>It has the added benefit that most of its thousands of functions can
>be activated without your hands ever needing to leave the keyboard.

Right on!

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In article <LvtP2w8Z7eOQ092yn@netcom.com>, jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes:
> In article <363dec02.0@news.ic.net>, "Michael Kairys" <kairys@mi.sl.com> wrote:
> 
>>
>>>Our reaction is unprintable at best, isn't it. Not only an interruption
>>>and request for personal fulfillment, but a question about details which
>>>we are slaving to come to grips with.
>>
>>I've been a user and beta tester of Kermit on several platforms for almost
>>ten years now, and I have never had such a reaction from the Kermit
>>developers. If they regard such a posting in a public newsgroup as an
>>interruption or in any way unwelcome I would like to hear that from them.
> 
>     Joe =is= one of the Kermit developers.  Specifically, he maintains
>     MS (DOS) Kermit.
> 
>     Joe:  I understand your frustration, but I would think that the
>     above is preferable to the alternative of no one inquiring (as a
>     result of no one being interested).  A pointer to a (brief) web page
>     containing the current status of the project might be preferable.
-------
	Not frustration, observation. Holier than thous please apply elsewhere.
The point was amply explained, everyone suffers from the same effect from
time to time. So let folks get on with the task and await formal word or
periodic longer exchanges on the matter. The pin pricks cost time better
spent on creative work. Again, I am speaking from the sidelines on this
particular product.
	Joe D.

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On 2 Nov 1998 18:15:42 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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>Do you have a reference?

Try "man 3 getopt". :-)

More seriously, I don't have my primary references at hand, but I
believe that it is part of the IEEE 1003 (POSIX) specification.

Quoting from the FreeBSD 3.0 man page: "The interpretation of options
in the argument list may be canceled by the option `--' (double dash)
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>You can get a pretty good idea from:
>
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/kuishots.html


Well, Frank, if you're willing to reply to one more post... (:-)
The main reason I would like a GUI version is to get control of the
fonts used in the terminal window. It looks from the screenshots
like that's not what you have in mind; they make it look like it will
be the same Console window running in a GUI framework.

I've never liked the two fonts available to the DOS console and I've
been hoping GUI Kermit would allowme to use any old font I choose...



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In article <364069e9.0@news.ic.net>, Michael Kairys <kairys@mi.sl.com> wrote:
: 
: 
: >You can get a pretty good idea from:
: >
: >  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/kuishots.html
: 
: 
: Well, Frank, if you're willing to reply to one more post... (:-)
: The main reason I would like a GUI version is to get control of the
: fonts used in the terminal window. It looks from the screenshots
: like that's not what you have in mind; they make it look like it will
: be the same Console window running in a GUI framework.
: 
: I've never liked the two fonts available to the DOS console and I've
: been hoping GUI Kermit would allowme to use any old font I choose...
: 
: 

Well, I think that I will respond to this one.  The issues regarding 
fonts have less to do with Console vs. GUI then Monospaced vs.
Proportional spaced characters.  You can replaced the font used
in the DOS Windows with any font of your choice as long as the font
is a monospaced font.  (? What font do you currently use? )

I have found both LucidaConsole and Monotype.com to be excellent fonts
for terminal emulations.  The reason the GUI is such a necessity is that
in Win95/98 the console display is limited to characters from a single
PC Code Page which means that we can't accurately display the terminal
specific graphics characters or mix characters from seperate 8-bit
character sets as we can do on NT.  We can support the entire Unicode
range on NT because the console environment supports Unicode.

If your desire is to use proportionally spaced fonts in a monospaced
environment, our GUI will allow it, but the screen gets pretty ugly 
as the fixed grid nature of terminal emulation is not designed for 
characters that are wider than a space.



    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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In article <364069e9.0@news.ic.net>, Michael Kairys <kairys@mi.sl.com> wrote:
: Frank wrote:
: >You can get a pretty good idea from:
: >
: >  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/kuishots.html
: 
: Well, Frank, if you're willing to reply to one more post... (:-)
: The main reason I would like a GUI version is to get control of the
: fonts used in the terminal window. It looks from the screenshots
: like that's not what you have in mind; they make it look like it will
: be the same Console window running in a GUI framework.
: 
Not at all.  The font you see happens to be Lucida Console, which is
a Unicode Truetype font.  Perhaps if we had shown it in black on white
you might have liked it better :-)

: I've never liked the two fonts available to the DOS console and I've
: been hoping GUI Kermit would allowme to use any old font I choose...
: 
Don't blame us for that, blame Microsoft.  Kermit 95 can't even *see* the
console window or controls.  Microsoft and Microsoft alone decides what
can and can not appear in the font menu.  The situation is even worse in
Windows 98, where the relatively crisp console fonts of Windows 95 are
replaced by ugly bleeding fonts, and a smaller selection of them at that.

In the GUI, you should be able to tell Kermit to use any fixed-pitch
(monospace) Unicode font that is installed on your PC.  Of course, there are
not that many fixed-pitch Unicode fonts in the world, but that's a separate
issue.  We are in negotiations with several font makers and there are
numerous technical, licensing, and cost issues that will not make anybody
particularly happy.

When you say you want to use any old font you choose, do you really mean it?
Have you ever tried using a proportional font for terminal emulation?  It
isn't pretty.  All terminals that Kermit 95 emulates use a fixed-pitch font.
No terminals that we know about use a proportional font, or have the
protocols necessary to coordinate spacing, kerning, hinting, etc, between
host and terminal.

The benefits of the GUI window are not so much that a whole world of new
fonts opens up to you -- it doesn't -- but that we can use a Unicode font
(assuming we can find one that is both adequate and affordable) and therefore
display Roman, Cyrillic, Greek, and other writing systems simultaneously,
and can control the display size and style (regular, bold, slanted,
underlined, etc).  So, for example, you will be able to use the stretch
controls on your terminal window and choose whether this changes your
screen dimensions or your font size; host-directed switching between 80
and 132 columns can (if you choose) keep the window the same size but change
the font size.  The terminal's underline and double-high/wide attributes
can be shown correctly, etc.

There is a question of whether to allow proportional fonts in the font menu.
If so, what do we do with them?  Show each character in its natural size
(which ruins the host's idea of the screen's appearance)?  Or force each
character into a fixed-size cell (which might result in truncation of pieces
of large characters, such as certain Arabic forms or CJK ideograms)?

We have been working on the font issue for quite some time, and it's a long
slow process.  The most fundamental problem at the moment is the lack of
decent, well-populated Unicode Truetype fonts for Windows, except at high
prices, and the lack of tools to create such fonts.  The Lucida Console font
that is distributed with Windows NT lacks even the measly 27 characters that
are needed for Hebrew, and Microsoft steadfastly refuses to add them.

Furthermore, as active members of the Unicode consortium, we are also
acutely aware that Unicode itself lacks many of the characters needed for
proper emulation of VT, 3270, and other popular terminals (e.g. extensible
math symbols, various line and box characters, and special symbols), and are
in the process of submitting a series of proposals to fill the gaps.  If you
would like to review them, they are in:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/ucsterminal/*

Send any comments directly to me (this week if you want them to have any
effect).

- Frank

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In article <71pt6g$r7q$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: We have been working on the font issue for quite some time, and it's a long
: slow process.  The most fundamental problem at the moment is the lack of
: decent, well-populated Unicode Truetype fonts for Windows, ...
:
Obviously (I hope) I meant to say *monospaced" Unicode Truetype fonts...

- Frank

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In article <xqlww5csldl.fsf@cig.mot.com>, Francis R Bridge <bridge@cig.mot.com> writes:
> "Michael Kairys" <kairys@mi.sl.com> writes:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> >Our reaction is unprintable at best, isn't it. Not only an interruption
>> >and request for personal fulfillment, but a question about details which
>> >we are slaving to come to grips with.
>> 
>> 
>> I've been a user and beta tester of Kermit on several platforms for almost
>> ten years now, and I have never had such a reaction from the Kermit
>> developers. If they regard such a posting in a public newsgroup as an
>> interruption or in any way unwelcome I would like to hear that from them.
>> 
> 
> I about choked on my coffee when I read Joe's reply, especially since the
> Kermit newsgroups are some few quality forums left on USENET.  Perhaps he is
> just having a bad day.
> 
> -Frank Bridge
--------
	Bad season actually, with more things demanding a) total concentration,
b) willingness to put up with mysteries, c) endless trials, and d) no help.
It's part a) that is the tough one when interruptions occur. We try to be 
nice, but after a while there is a reasonable limit. That's why I urged giving
Columbia a break, not to be a bad guy but to reduce the idle curiosity queries
that require lengthy responses (as has happened again here this time). Each of
us gets into this situation, with nearly the same responses or much stronger.
Substantative discussions are another matter.
	If suggesting folks give a group a break yields emotional responses
then maybe the responders are implicitly demanding undue personal attention.
	I'd add a "Bah Humbug," but that would be a pre-release.
	Joe D. (back to the local salt mines...)

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In article <uvqp17.pl3.ln@rlyeh.srd.it>,  <cthulhu@rlyeh.srd.it> wrote:
: Is there someone that would be so glad to hexify a kermit32.exe (VMS 5.3,
: MicroVAX 3400) and send it to me via email?
: 
You don't need anyone to do this.  You can find it, prehexified, at:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/b/vmsmit.hex

Transfer in text mode.

: Just to let you know, the working MACRO source of hexify/dehexify I've found
: say, on top:
: ---
: 	.TITLE  HEXIFY
: 	.SBTTL  Stuart Hecht and Eric McQueen
: 	.LIBRARY /SYS$LIBRARY:STARLET/
: 	.LIBRARY /SYS$LIBRARY:LIB/
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: You know, I'm start thinking that each version of hexify avaliable on the
: net has a different output format.
: 
VMSHEX format (as produced by this program) is not a simple conversion to
hex digits of the file contents.  It is a way to encode *any* VMS file
at all in such a way that dehexifying it with the companion dehexifier
program will restore it to its original form, RMS attributes and all.  So
you can use these programs to hexify not only featureless executables, but
also BACKUP savesets, indexed files, you name it.

This is similar to C-Kermit's Labeled File format and to VMS ZIP with its
-V option or whatever it is, except the result is (a) printable, and (b)
has short (< 80 char) records, and so can pass through the most restrictive
transports, e.g. BITNET mail.

The VMSHEX and VMSDEH programs are at:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/b/vmshex.*
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/b/vmsdeh.*

Transfer in text mode.  Then:

  macro vmsdeh
  link vmsdeh
  run vmsdeh

and at the prompt, type "vmsmit.hex" to make it dehexify the Kermit-32
executable.  Then use Kermit-32 to transfer VMS C-Kermit into your system
and you're all set.

- Frank

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"Michael Kairys" <kairys@mi.sl.com> writes:

> 
> 
> >Our reaction is unprintable at best, isn't it. Not only an interruption
> >and request for personal fulfillment, but a question about details which
> >we are slaving to come to grips with.
> 
> 
> I've been a user and beta tester of Kermit on several platforms for almost
> ten years now, and I have never had such a reaction from the Kermit
> developers. If they regard such a posting in a public newsgroup as an
> interruption or in any way unwelcome I would like to hear that from them.
> 

I about choked on my coffee when I read Joe's reply, especially since the
Kermit newsgroups are some few quality forums left on USENET.  Perhaps he is
just having a bad day.

-Frank Bridge

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>Not at all.  The font you see happens to be Lucida Console, which is
>a Unicode Truetype font.  Perhaps if we had shown it in black on white
>you might have liked it better :-)

>In the GUI, you should be able to tell Kermit to use any fixed-pitch
>(monospace) Unicode font that is installed on your PC.

>When you say you want to use any old font you choose, do you really mean
it?

Okay, okay, you're way ahead of me! (:-)

No, I don't really want to use Times Roman or Beesknees in my terminal!
Actually my favorite is one I've carried around since my DEC days; it's
a Truetype version of the DECterm VT320 emulator font (also present on
most Unix systems as DEC-Terminal--*-*-etc.) I use it wherever I can...

Let me just say I certainly don't want to denigrate the usefulness of GUI
menus and dialogs (and not only for the novice). I use K95 daily, connecting
via Telnet to a Unix host, and I rarely go to the command screen; but when I
do, it's for things like resizing the window or clearing the scrollback
buffer,
which I would certainly prefer to do via mouse or menu or tollbar if I
could.
And of course if I could put my own macro on a button... (:-)

Anyway I'll hush up now and let you get back to work. You know the
results of your (pl.) labors are eagerly anticipated and will be widely
appreciated
so I don't have to say that (:-)



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Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
> <rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com> wrote:
> : Could you elaborate on the decision to use "="? I always thought
> : "--" would have been better, as many programs (at least in *IX
> : environments) use "--" to separate program options from program
> : arguments (that would have been my choice).
>
> No special reason. We (I) did this quite a while ago and had never seen
> any guidelines on this. Do you have a reference?

See URL <http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/7908799/xbd/utilconv.html#usg>:

                 The Single UNIX Specification, Version 2
                      Copyright 1997 The Open Group
     _________________________________________________________________

                            Utility Conventions

   [...]

   Utility Syntax Guidelines

   The following guidelines are established for the naming of
   utilities and for the specification of options, option-arguments
   and operands.

   [...]

   Guideline  9:
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   Guideline 10:
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          specification. The standard utilities that do not support
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          utility description.

   [...]


-- 
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I am using Kermit 95 as a terminal emulator (VT320) connecting to an Alpha
1000 running vms 7.1.     Sum programs on the alpha switch the vt terminal
to 132 columun mode.  The screen adjusts fine, but when I do a print screen
it only prints 80 charachters to the printer. Is
there any way to have k95 print 132 column when in 132 column mode.

Dennis



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In article <72069c$718$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Den <dirvine@psln.com> wrote:
: I am using Kermit 95 as a terminal emulator (VT320) connecting to an Alpha
: 1000 running vms 7.1.     Sum programs on the alpha switch the vt terminal
: to 132 columun mode.  The screen adjusts fine, but when I do a print screen
: it only prints 80 charachters to the printer. Is
: there any way to have k95 print 132 column when in 132 column mode.
: 
: Dennis
: 
: 


Kermit 95 does indeed print 132 columns when in 132 columns mode.
If the data is being truncated it is happening somewhere else down the line.

To test K95 set your printer to a file.


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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From: Kent B Erickson <kbe@u.washington.edu>
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  The subject title sums it up.  Using C-Kermit for os/2, v5A (191), seems
to be overall slower than using kermit for dos v3.16 (or even v3.14). For
example, I am writing this using C-Kermit, under os/2, to log in to the
computer at U of W.  As I type, the delay between striking a key and its
echo on screen must be about twice as slow as it is when I do the same
thing under dos + mskermit for dos. All of the settings, as best I can
tell, are the same.  Moreover, file transfer seems somewhat slower under
C-Kermit, though I have not tested this yet. (Actually, I do have some
emperical evidence.  For varios reasons, I had to download a huge biniary
file.  Under mskermit, I was getting about 3(+) k cps;  under
c-kermit, exactly 2.5 k cps plus/minus 5cps, c-kermit gives one a lot of
data.)  Any ideas as to this discrepancy?  
    Now on a different matter--file transfer.  I have a 33.6 Digicom
modem. Yet even after tweaking Kermit (Dos or C- versions) I cannot seem
to get much more than 2500 cps rate for binary file tranfers. (Somewhat
faster, of course, for text files.)  Now surely there must be a way to get
faster transfers, even over the ordinary phone line that I am using (it
seems to be a fairly clean connection).  The UW modems are relatively fast
at least 19.9 or 28.8.
  I would very much appreciate any suggestions for improving this
performance.  Of course, my experience may be `normal', then I would like
to find that out too.  Perhaps we can take a pole...

             kbe



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In article <Pine.A41.4.05.9811072149240.101268-100000@homer37.u.washington.edu>,
Kent B Erickson  <kbe@u.washington.edu> wrote:
:   The subject title sums it up.  Using C-Kermit for os/2, v5A (191), seems
: to be overall slower than using kermit for dos v3.16 (or even v3.14). For
: example, I am writing this using C-Kermit, under os/2, to log in to the
: computer at U of W.  As I type, the delay between striking a key and its
: echo on screen must be about twice as slow as it is when I do the same
: thing under dos + mskermit for dos. All of the settings, as best I can
: tell, are the same.  Moreover, file transfer seems somewhat slower under
: C-Kermit, though I have not tested this yet. (Actually, I do have some
: emperical evidence.  For varios reasons, I had to download a huge biniary
: file.  Under mskermit, I was getting about 3(+) k cps;  under
: c-kermit, exactly 2.5 k cps plus/minus 5cps, c-kermit gives one a lot of
: data.)  Any ideas as to this discrepancy?  

For the most part it is operating system overhead.  You can read about
tuning methods for OS/2 in the online documentation.  

C-Kermit for Os/2 5a(191) is many years out of date and is no longer
supported by the Kermit project.  The current Kermit for OS/2 is
Kermit 95.  See http://www.kermit-project.org/os2.html for details.

:     Now on a different matter--file transfer.  I have a 33.6 Digicom
: modem. Yet even after tweaking Kermit (Dos or C- versions) I cannot seem
: to get much more than 2500 cps rate for binary file tranfers. (Somewhat
: faster, of course, for text files.)  Now surely there must be a way to get
: faster transfers, even over the ordinary phone line that I am using (it
: seems to be a fairly clean connection).  The UW modems are relatively fast
: at least 19.9 or 28.8.
:   I would very much appreciate any suggestions for improving this
: performance.  Of course, my experience may be `normal', then I would like
: to find that out too.  Perhaps we can take a pole...

You make no statements about what connection speed is actually being 
negotiated by the two modems.  My guess is that it is not 28800.

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                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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From: Kent B Erickson <kbe@u.washington.edu>
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  In the customization file of c-kermit I had lines
which went
    If fail set speed   
It starts out at 115200 and goes down to 19200.  

   I may have to modify my earlier assertion regarding file transfer under
mskermit (dos).  Today I downloaded a binary file under mskermit and got a
speed of 2000 cps plus/minus 100.  Then I re-downloaded after calling the
FAST script.  (It does all that unprefixing, minimal error check, etc.  
and says "Use at own risk!")  Using at my own risk, I found the speed went
up to about 2100 cps +/- 100.  Anyway the file transfer under os2 +
obsolete version of c-kermit (of a different binary)  was a little faster
(2500 cps), at least according to these single-time experiments.  Still,
file transfer is slow no matter what.
  If I use the  "no speed negotiation"  thing and set speed at 34.x ,
will that speed things up?
  I thought perhaps I ought to get an even speedier modem, but now I doubt
very much that will improve matters.  At one time I had a 14.4 modem.  
Using z-modem and something called COMIT for dos (long gone) I
consistently got 2 to 3 k cps transfers.  I am not knocking kermit, mind,
I like it, but I still think I should get faster (binary) transfers.  
(Text transfers do not cause as much annoyance: usually they are smaller
and text transfer is (seems) generally faster.  Perhaps because
compression is more efficient with text transfers?)

            kbe 




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Kent B Erickson <kbe@u.washington.edu> wrote:
e>   In the customization file of c-kermit I had lines
> which went
>     If fail set speed   
> It starts out at 115200 and goes down to 19200.  

>    I may have to modify my earlier assertion regarding file transfer under
> mskermit (dos).  Today I downloaded a binary file under mskermit and got a
> speed of 2000 cps plus/minus 100.  Then I re-downloaded after calling the
> FAST script.  (It does all that unprefixing, minimal error check, etc.  
> and says "Use at own risk!")  Using at my own risk, I found the speed went
> up to about 2100 cps +/- 100.  Anyway the file transfer under os2 +
> obsolete version of c-kermit (of a different binary)  was a little faster
> (2500 cps), at least according to these single-time experiments.  Still,
> file transfer is slow no matter what.

With mskermit: 
Over a plain serial connection I get ~3100 cps with a 28.8 connection
Telneting, using c/slip or ppp not as good ~ 2700 cps with a 28.8
connection (for a compressed file - jpg or zip). Not much degradation
from overhead when done in windows' dos. I think these
thoughputs are what can be expected with _good_ phone lines.

P.S.?
 I seem to remember a small faq like document about: set line *,
ppp etc..  It was written in hopes of lessening the barrage of
questions from people using ckermit with linux. Have not been
able to locate this doc. Am I imagining things or maybe not
looking in the right place ? 

>   If I use the  "no speed negotiation"  thing and set speed at 34.x ,
> will that speed things up?
>   I thought perhaps I ought to get an even speedier modem, but now I doubt
> very much that will improve matters.  At one time I had a 14.4 modem.  
> Using z-modem and something called COMIT for dos (long gone) I
> consistently got 2 to 3 k cps transfers.  I am not knocking kermit, mind,
> I like it, but I still think I should get faster (binary) transfers.  
> (Text transfers do not cause as much annoyance: usually they are smaller
> and text transfer is (seems) generally faster.  Perhaps because
> compression is more efficient with text transfers?)

>             kbe 





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> Hi, I am new in kermit scripting, and I have a problem connecting to a remote
> server with telnet port 25 and send information . the script always remains
> in interactive telnet-mode. What I am doing wrong? Regards, Stefan Bruder
>
Soory I forgot the script as an examples:

set host localhost 25
output helo
output mail from:<bruds>
output rcpt to:<bruds>
output data
output Halllllo
output \10\13.\10\13
output \10\13
output quit
connect

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In article <726pag$338$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,  <bruds@luk.de> wrote:
: 
: 
: > Hi, I am new in kermit scripting, and I have a problem connecting to a remote
: > server with telnet port 25 and send information . the script always remains
: > in interactive telnet-mode. What I am doing wrong? Regards, Stefan Bruder
: >
: Soory I forgot the script as an examples:
: 
: set host localhost 25
: output helo
: output mail from:<bruds>
: output rcpt to:<bruds>
: output data
: output Halllllo
: output \10\13.\10\13
: output \10\13
: output quit
: connect
: 

If you do not want interactive mode do not use the CONNECT command.

>From the online help, HELP CONNECT:

Syntax: CONNECT (or C, or CQ) [ switches ]

Connect to a remote computer via the serial communications device given in
the most recent SET PORT command, or to the network host named in the most
recent SET HOST command.  Type the escape character followed by C to get
back to the C-Kermit prompt, or followed by ? for a list of CONNECT-mode
escape commands.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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In article <Pine.A41.4.05.9811081237140.94996-100000@homer39.u.washington.edu>,
Kent B Erickson  <kbe@u.washington.edu> wrote:
:   In the customization file of c-kermit I had lines
: which went
:     If fail set speed   
: It starts out at 115200 and goes down to 19200.  
: 
Again, C-Kermit for OS/2 has been replaced by Kermit 95.  Three years of
work have gone into making it faster and better.

Kermit 95 for OS/2 can go as fast as the modem connection allows.  Please
remember that:

 a) You should set the modem's interface speed as high as possible.
    If 115200 doesn't work for some reason, use 57600.  If that doesn't work,
    use 38400.  Don't drop back to 19200 right away.

 b) Use hardware flow control (RTS/CTS).

 c) Remember that the modulation speed can vary according to the connection.
    Most modems report the modulation speed when the connection is made.
    But with V.34 and above, it can change up and down during the connection
    too.  With such modems, it is practically impossible to measure file
    transfer efficiency, since we have no way of knowing the speed of the
    connection.

: (Text transfers do not cause as much annoyance: usually they are smaller
: and text transfer is (seems) generally faster.  Perhaps because
: compression is more efficient with text transfers?)
: 
It's not binary versus text, it's precompressed versus uncompressed.

- Frank

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Could anyone explain how the check tcp/ip command works?  I use MS-Kermit
3.15 with PPPD for DOS 0.6, and although it works well I'm curious about
why check tcp/ip doesn't seem to notice if I've started Kermit before I've
made the PPP connection.  (I use the mscustom.ini file that came with
version 3.14, and the program never skips the commands that follow "check
tcp/ip if fail forward notcp" even if I haven't started the PPPD program
yet.  The TCP/IP settings given in mscustom.ini are all shown when I type
show comm, except for the ones that rely on DOS environment variables that
the PPPD program sets, which are blank).  I also have a cosmetic question. 
I use Kermit most often to log into a host on a different net than my
nameserver and gateway.  I usually want to bypass my nameserver, which is
often overloaded, by telling Kermit the IP address of the host directly.
So far I've been using the SET TCP/IP HOST command, e.g. set tcp/ip host
128.174.2.3, which seems to work.  Is there a way that I can tell Kermit
to associate a host name with a host address?  I would like Kermit to show
a host name like uiucuxa in the bottom line of the terminal screen but I'd
also like Kermit to know the IP number without asking the nameserver.


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In article <7276a4$l10$1@garfield.vcn.bc.ca>,
David Stow <dastow@vcn.bc.ca> wrote:
: Could anyone explain how the check tcp/ip command works?
:
CHECK TCP
IF SUCCESS ECHO This version of Kermit was built with TCP/IP support included
ELSE echo This version of Kermit was not built with TCP/IP support included

In other words, it checks the compile-time configuration, not the runtime
environment.

- Frank

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In article <7276a4$l10$1@garfield.vcn.bc.ca>, dastow@vcn.bc.ca (David Stow) writes:
> Could anyone explain how the check tcp/ip command works?  I use MS-Kermit
> 3.15 with PPPD for DOS 0.6, and although it works well I'm curious about
> why check tcp/ip doesn't seem to notice if I've started Kermit before I've
> made the PPP connection.  (I use the mscustom.ini file that came with
> version 3.14, and the program never skips the commands that follow "check
> tcp/ip if fail forward notcp" even if I haven't started the PPPD program
> yet.  The TCP/IP settings given in mscustom.ini are all shown when I type
> show comm, except for the ones that rely on DOS environment variables that
> the PPPD program sets, which are blank).  I also have a cosmetic question. 

	As Frank and the docs explain, CHECK FTP checks for built-in
options because we issue MS-DOS Kermit in variations to suit memory 
limitations.

> I use Kermit most often to log into a host on a different net than my
> nameserver and gateway.  I usually want to bypass my nameserver, which is
> often overloaded, by telling Kermit the IP address of the host directly.
> So far I've been using the SET TCP/IP HOST command, e.g. set tcp/ip host
> 128.174.2.3, which seems to work.  Is there a way that I can tell Kermit
> to associate a host name with a host address?  I would like Kermit to show
> a host name like uiucuxa in the bottom line of the terminal screen but I'd
> also like Kermit to know the IP number without asking the nameserver.

	Use another name server (but why?). Also learn about Kermit macros
which let one DEFINE one string to mean another. There is no external table
of host names versus IP numbers that Kermit uses, thank goodness. DNS lookups
are tiny tiny things and should not impact your provider's equipment.
	Joe D.

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We have a VAX running VMS 5.5, Wollongong Pathway for OpenVMS ver 2.5.1
and a 7 year old billing program written in COBOL. With FTP, I have
failed to transfer a 41 MB mixed (2 fields are binary and rest ASCII)
data file to my NT 4 workstation. Only 9 MB of the file are transferred
by Exceed, Procomm32 and WS-FTP clients.

Can I use Kermit and transfer the file to MSDOS PC serial port connected
to the VAX through a terminal server? Do I need C-Kermit running on the
VAX and DOS Kermit on the PC? I do not have any compliers on the VAX and
not even the VMS editor EDT. Please can anyone tell me exactly what to
do?

Thanks a lot

Kersi



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In article <726stp$176$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
  jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote:
> In article <726pag$338$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,  <bruds@luk.de> wrote:
> :
> :
> : > Hi, I am new in kermit scripting, and I have a problem connecting to a remote
> : > server with telnet port 25 and send information . the script always remains
> : > in interactive telnet-mode. What I am doing wrong? Regards, Stefan Bruder
> : >
> : Soory I forgot the script as an examples:
> :
> : set host localhost 25
> : output helo
> : output mail from:<bruds>
> : output rcpt to:<bruds>
> : output data
> : output Halllllo
> : output \10\13.\10\13
> : output \10\13
> : output quit
> : connect
> :
>
> If you do not want interactive mode do not use the CONNECT command.
>
> From the online help, HELP CONNECT:
>
> Syntax: CONNECT (or C, or CQ) [ switches ]
>
> Connect to a remote computer via the serial communications device given in
> the most recent SET PORT command, or to the network host named in the most
> recent SET HOST command.  Type the escape character followed by C to get
> back to the C-Kermit prompt, or followed by ? for a list of CONNECT-mode
> escape commands.
>
>     Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
>                  The Kermit Project * Columbia University
>               612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
>   http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org
>
If I should not use CONNECT which command instead?

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In article <3647D48A.2791BA36@mindspring.com>,
Kersi Marolia  <kmarolia@mindspring.com> wrote:
: We have a VAX running VMS 5.5, Wollongong Pathway for OpenVMS ver 2.5.1
: and a 7 year old billing program written in COBOL. With FTP, I have
: failed to transfer a 41 MB mixed (2 fields are binary and rest ASCII)
: data file to my NT 4 workstation. Only 9 MB of the file are transferred
: by Exceed, Procomm32 and WS-FTP clients.
: 
: Can I use Kermit and transfer the file to MSDOS PC serial port connected
: to the VAX through a terminal server?
:
One way or another, yes.

: Do I need C-Kermit running on the VAX...
:
Yes.

: and DOS Kermit on the PC?
:
If it's running DOS or Windows 3.x.  If it's running Windows 95, 98, or NT,
you need Kermit 95:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

: I do not have any compliers on the VAX and not even the VMS editor
: EDT. Please can anyone tell me exactly what to do?
: 
Get C-Kermit 6.0 for your VMS system:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html

and the appropriate Kermit software for your PC.  Transfer the file in
image mode (tell VMS C-Kermit to "set file type image").

After that, you'll need to convert the file to be in whatever format your
PC program requires.  That's not something that Kermit can do for you, since
(obviously) it does not understand this unique format.

- Frank

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'ello All,

I'm having a little trouble getting C-Kermit 6.0 to dial on an AIX platform
when not logged in as root. I get this message:

Dialing 9,1609653-0937 ... Please wait
Fatal: C-Kermit setuid to root!                                            
    

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanx,
Swade

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In article <01be0cef$86adb280$7a0101c8@swade>,
Swade <swade@jerseycape.com> wrote:
: 
: 'ello All,
: 
: I'm having a little trouble getting C-Kermit 6.0 to dial on an AIX platform
: when not logged in as root. I get this message:
: 
: Dialing 9,1609653-0937 ... Please wait
: Fatal: C-Kermit setuid to root!                                            
:     
Just read the installation instructions in the ckuins.doc file:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckuins.doc

or in the UNIX appendix of the manual, "Using C-Kermit":

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html

- Frank

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bruds@luk.de wrote:
> 
> In article <726stp$176$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
>   jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote:
> > In article <726pag$338$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,  <bruds@luk.de> wrote:
> > : >
> > : Soory I forgot the script as an examples:
> > :
> > : set host localhost 25
> > : output helo
> > : output mail from:<bruds>
> > : output rcpt to:<bruds>
> > : output data
> > : output Halllllo
> > : output \10\13.\10\13
> > : output \10\13
> > : output quit
> > : connect
> > :
> >
> > If you do not want interactive mode do not use the CONNECT command.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> If I should not use CONNECT which command instead?

Use INPUT commands to wait for expected prompts from the host and
synchronize output from OUTPUT commands.  For example:

set host localhost 25
input 10 {220 }
if failure end 1 No response from host
input 1 \10
if failure ...
output helo
...

-- 
Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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One piece of information:   Are you sure you are only getting part of the
file?   The size of a file on VAX with VMS is different than the size will
be on your NT system, even if all the data is transfered.  VMS usually
reports size in "blocks" not in byte size.  If you do a dir on a vms system
and look at the size of the file, it will usually be half that size on an NT
system when you do a dir.

Dennis

Kersi Marolia wrote in message <3647D48A.2791BA36@mindspring.com>...
>We have a VAX running VMS 5.5, Wollongong Pathway for OpenVMS ver 2.5.1
>and a 7 year old billing program written in COBOL. With FTP, I have
>failed to transfer a 41 MB mixed (2 fields are binary and rest ASCII)
>data file to my NT 4 workstation. Only 9 MB of the file are transferred
>by Exceed, Procomm32 and WS-FTP clients.
>
>Can I use Kermit and transfer the file to MSDOS PC serial port connected
>to the VAX through a terminal server? Do I need C-Kermit running on the
>VAX and DOS Kermit on the PC? I do not have any compliers on the VAX and
>not even the VMS editor EDT. Please can anyone tell me exactly what to
>do?
>
>Thanks a lot
>
>Kersi
>
>



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I forgot in my last post that you may not have  the necessary capabilities
on the os9 machine to copy the file from your win98 to the os9 machine.
Does it support FTP transfers?
Dennis
Brian Reid wrote in message
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t>...
>I am trying to transfer SEM (scanning electron microscope) data and image
>files from a TN8502 system to a PC.  The Tracor Northern system uses
>Microware's OS9 and the PC is running Windows98.  I have Kermit95 on the
>windows computer and a serial connection to the OS9 system.  How do I
>obtain a 5.25" copy of Kermit for the TN8502 side which is formatted for
>OS9?
>
>Thanks in advance for any suggestions.



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I need a tn3270 key emulation. Does any one have a setting script for
C-kermit?

Li-Jen Chang


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In article <72dcpa$giu$1@news-2.news.gte.net>,
Li-Jen Chang  <lchang@gte.net> wrote:
: I need a tn3270 key emulation. Does any one have a setting script for
: C-kermit?
: 
>From the Kermit FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

8 Where Is the Key Map for 3270 Emulation?

Real 3270 terminals have all sorts of keys that regular ASCII terminals (and
PCs and Macintoshes and UNIX workstations, etc) do not have.

A big part of the job of a 3270 protocol converter is to convert between ASCII
keystrokes (including escape sequences) and 3270 keys such as PA1 through PA3
and PF1 through PF24.

The administrator of the 3270 protocol converter creates the mapping.  So in
order to make a 3270 key map for Kermit, you first have to find out what the
mapping in the protocol converter is, and then assign the ASCII values
(characters or sequences) that correspond to each 3270 key to the desired PC
(or Mac, etc) key.

It is the responsibility of each site administrator to document the key
mappings used by its protocol converters.  Once you know the ASCII values that
correspond to each 3270 key, then it's easy to create Kermit key bindings.

For example, suppose the 3270 "cursor left" function (left arrow) is mapped to
ASCII Ctrl-B (ASCII character 2).  Then in MS-DOS Kermit you would:

  SET KEY \4427 \2

where \4427 is the scan code of the PC's (gray) left arrow key, and \2 is the
code for the ASCII value of the Ctrl-B character.

- Frank

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We use a Unix computer with a program that produces about every 20 minutes a
file. (acsi or text file.)
the problem is that i want to send this file to another msdos PC, using a
mode. This must be done within 5 minutes that the file has been produces on
the unix computer.
Me is told that this can be done with a msdos pc, using kermit.
this msdos pc is connected serial online with the unix computer and with a
modem on the telephoneline.
A have the idea that the kermit looks every minute if there has been
produced a file. When a file has produces, it will be copied to the harddisk
on the msdos PC through kermit.
then kermit dials the telephone number,  sends the file. If there are no
errors recieved form the other PC, the file will be deleted on de harddisk.
I cannot write this kermit script; i have no experience with it. It has told
me that it is a little script;

Req. Can anybody write the scipt for me?


Thanks

Siemon Stegmeijer
Beatrixo@noord.bart.nl

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We use a Unix computer with a program that produces about every 20 minutes a
file. (acsi or text file.)
the problem is that i want to send this file to another msdos PC, using a
mode. This must be done within 5 minutes that the file has been produces on
the unix computer.
Me is told that this can be done with a msdos pc, using kermit.
this msdos pc is connected serial online with the unix computer and with a
modem on the telephoneline.
A have the idea that the kermit looks every minute if there has been
produced a file. When a file has produces, it will be copied to the harddisk
on the msdos PC through kermit.
then kermit dials the telephone number,  sends the file. If there are no
errors recieved form the other PC, the file will be deleted on de harddisk.
I cannot write this kermit script; i have no experience with it. It has told
me that it is a little script;

Req. Can anybody write the scipt for me?


Thanks

Siemon Stegmeijer
Beatrixo@noord.bart.nl




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A VAX/VMS block is 512 bytes.  Allocation occurs in blocks so 1 byte
over a block would allocate another block.  A 9 Meg PC file could be
expected
to show as 18,000 blocks on the VAX. A 18,001 block vax file could still
show as 9 Meg on PC. How was the 41M (VAX) size determined?
John

Den <dirvine@psln.com> wrote in article
<72co88$50i$1@news.ncal.verio.com>...
> One piece of information:   Are you sure you are only getting part of the
> file?   The size of a file on VAX with VMS is different than the size
will
> be on your NT system, even if all the data is transfered.  VMS usually
> reports size in "blocks" not in byte size.  If you do a dir on a vms
system
> and look at the size of the file, it will usually be half that size on an
NT
> system when you do a dir.
> 
> Dennis
> 
> Kersi Marolia wrote in message <3647D48A.2791BA36@mindspring.com>...
> >We have a VAX running VMS 5.5, Wollongong Pathway for OpenVMS ver 2.5.1
> >and a 7 year old billing program written in COBOL. With FTP, I have
> >failed to transfer a 41 MB mixed (2 fields are binary and rest ASCII)
> >data file to my NT 4 workstation. Only 9 MB of the file are transferred
> >by Exceed, Procomm32 and WS-FTP clients.
> >
> >Can I use Kermit and transfer the file to MSDOS PC serial port connected
> >to the VAX through a terminal server? Do I need C-Kermit running on the
> >VAX and DOS Kermit on the PC? I do not have any compliers on the VAX and
> >not even the VMS editor EDT. Please can anyone tell me exactly what to
> >do?
> >
> >Thanks a lot
> >
> >Kersi
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 

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Thanks for the answers.  I'm going to pester you with a related 
question, but first let me explain what I want to do.

I use MS-Kermit 3.15 both for making (relatively) simple serial 
connections and for making TCP/IP connections over a PPP link.  
I use the same serial port and modem in each case, and until recently 
I used the standard mscustom.ini file without trouble. The :NOTCP port 
settings in this file matched those in the PPP initialization file.

I recently replaced my 16450 type UART with a 16550A, and when I 
started MS-Kermit over the PPP link, I got a message that Kermit 
couldn't make the connection to my host.  I took a closer look at 
the mscustom.ini file, and I suspected that I should make Kermit 
skip over the commands (like set speed) that could reset the UART 
while the PPP link was running.  When I deleted the :NOTCP part of 
the file and the "if fail forward :NOTCP" command, the TCP/IP 
connection worked again.

My guess is that resetting the UART (to the same values that the 
PPP program was using) caused a problem with the 16550A but not with 
the 16450 because of the characters that might be lost from the 
16550A's buffer during the reset.  Does this sound right?

I want to have Kermit check when it starts to see whether the packet 
driver is running, to set the port to tcp/ip and skip the UART 
initialization if it finds the packet driver, and to set the UART 
otherwise.

Can I use the tcpip_status variable to do this?  I'm not sure I 
understand the value of this variable.  When I escape from a TCP/IP 
session to the MS-Kermit prompt and give the show variables 
command, \v(tcpip_status)=0.  Is this like opening the refrigerator 
door quickly to try to see if the light stays on when the door is closed?

David Stow

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In article <72kehr$1gd$1@garfield.vcn.bc.ca>, dastow@vcn.bc.ca (David Stow) writes:
> Thanks for the answers.  I'm going to pester you with a related 
> question, but first let me explain what I want to do.
> 
> I use MS-Kermit 3.15 both for making (relatively) simple serial 
> connections and for making TCP/IP connections over a PPP link.  
> I use the same serial port and modem in each case, and until recently 
> I used the standard mscustom.ini file without trouble. The :NOTCP port 
> settings in this file matched those in the PPP initialization file.
> 
> I recently replaced my 16450 type UART with a 16550A, and when I 
> started MS-Kermit over the PPP link, I got a message that Kermit 
> couldn't make the connection to my host.  I took a closer look at 
> the mscustom.ini file, and I suspected that I should make Kermit 
> skip over the commands (like set speed) that could reset the UART 
> while the PPP link was running.  When I deleted the :NOTCP part of 
> the file and the "if fail forward :NOTCP" command, the TCP/IP 
> connection worked again.
> 
> My guess is that resetting the UART (to the same values that the 
> PPP program was using) caused a problem with the 16550A but not with 
> the 16450 because of the characters that might be lost from the 
> 16550A's buffer during the reset.  Does this sound right?
> 
> I want to have Kermit check when it starts to see whether the packet 
> driver is running, to set the port to tcp/ip and skip the UART 
> initialization if it finds the packet driver, and to set the UART 
> otherwise.
> 
> Can I use the tcpip_status variable to do this?  I'm not sure I 
> understand the value of this variable.  When I escape from a TCP/IP 
> session to the MS-Kermit prompt and give the show variables 
> command, \v(tcpip_status)=0.  Is this like opening the refrigerator 
> door quickly to try to see if the light stays on when the door is closed?
> 
> David Stow
----------
	The way to have MS-DOS Kermit keep hands off a UART is to avoid
all references to the serial port. That means a SET PORT non-UART command
issued before a SET SPEED will point operations away from a serial port.
	The 16550A UART requires delicate probing, something that the
conventional 8250 and relatives kind does not. It is always bad news to
touch a device being handled by other software.
	The check item means only that a feature is complied into the
program. This is to deal with variants of MSK which have selective
features omitted to save memory. It has nothing at all to do with 
operational selections of this port or that.
	Joe D.

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You should set your tcp/ip paramters ending with:

set port tcp/ip <destination-ip-address>
pause 0
if success forward noserial ; skip touching of serial port 
                             ; if tcp/ip stack works
set port 2 ; or other serial port
; commands that affect the serial port
:noserial
; commands to set the terminal type and colour



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Hi all, where can I find C or C++ source code for Kermit and ZModem
protocols?
I'm developing applications in Win95/NT using these protocols.
Are they free.




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Running Kermit on AIX RS/6000's.  Is it possible to add
more than one modem to a host?  Does Kermit support anything like that
at all? We would like to have 2-4 modems on a box......would that be
possible through Kermit, or would
we need to implement some fancy third party modem bank/pool to make this
happen?

Thanks,

Matt


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In article <365050AD.9ADB5165@cnf.REMOVE.com>,
Matt Willman  <willman.matt@cnf.REMOVE.com> wrote:
: Running Kermit on AIX RS/6000's.  Is it possible to add
: more than one modem to a host?  Does Kermit support anything like that
: at all? We would like to have 2-4 modems on a box......would that be
: possible through Kermit, or would
: we need to implement some fancy third party modem bank/pool to make this
: happen?
: 
You can use C-Kermit on any serial port that is on your computer, one port
at a time.  You can run multiple copies of C-Kermit, one on each port.
If you need lots of ports, you can buy 64-port and 128-port multiplexers
from IBM.  Maybe from third parties too, I don't know.

- Frank

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So would that mean having a different .kermrc file for each instance of Kermit
(all .kermrc files having a unique serial port)?

Thanks,

Matt

SNIP

> You can use C-Kermit on any serial port that is on your computer, one port
> at a time.  You can run multiple copies of C-Kermit, one on each port.
> If you need lots of ports, you can buy 64-port and 128-port multiplexers
> from IBM.  Maybe from third parties too, I don't know.
>
> - Frank




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In article <36505E26.58DF4C00@cnf.REMOVE.com>,
Matt Willman  <willman.matt@cnf.REMOVE.com> wrote:
: So would that mean having a different .kermrc file for each instance of
: Kermit (all .kermrc files having a unique serial port)?
: 
The standard .kermrc does not include a device assignment.  Each instance
of Kermit can be told to use whatever device you want it to use.  If you
want everything to be scripted and automatic, use different scripts, or
use a script with a parameter to specify the desired port.

- Frank

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Dale Dellutri <ddellutr@MCS.COM> wrote:
> I'm trying to get MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 to automatically print whatever
> is sent to the screen.  I set up the following definition for the
> remote kermit (not the one running on the PC), then sent a file using
> it, as suggested in the C-Kermit book:

> define VTPRINT xecho \27[5i, type \%1, xecho \12\27[4i

> Then I started C-Kermit 6.1.193 Beta05 on the remote system and sent a
> file.  When I used MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 on the PC, this did not work.
> When I used Terminal (the Windows standard accessory) it did work.

> What would I need to do to make MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 work?
> -- 
> Dale Dellutri - ddellutr@mcs.net

You can toggle printing off/on with control print screen. Printer in 
mscustom.ini must be set to printer. 
  
Also I think there are some scripts that can be used as a filter to
redirect output to local pc printer using escape sequence. Used
as you would use lpr on command line except that it is sent to local
pc printer. I think?   

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In article <72q0ac$dft$1@Jupiter.mcs.net>, ddellutr@MCS.COM (Dale Dellutri) writes:
> I'm trying to get MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 to automatically print whatever
> is sent to the screen.  I set up the following definition for the
> remote kermit (not the one running on the PC), then sent a file using
> it, as suggested in the C-Kermit book:
> 
> define VTPRINT xecho \27[5i, type \%1, xecho \12\27[4i
> 
> Then I started C-Kermit 6.1.193 Beta05 on the remote system and sent a
> file.  When I used MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 on the PC, this did not work.
> When I used Terminal (the Windows standard accessory) it did work.
> 
> What would I need to do to make MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 work?
> -- 
> Dale Dellutri - ddellutr@mcs.net
----------
	Let's see if we can understand the test situation, because my
test below works perfectly.
	What I did. Using an editor I made this one line file test.txt:

not printable<ESC>[5istart printing this text.<ESC>[4iinvisible again.

where <ESC> is actually byte decimal 27, Escape. I put this on my Unix
machine. On the MSK side, running a VT320 terminal emulator I told MSK
SET PRINTER PRINTER.TXT as a convenient way of capturing what otherwise
goes to DOS' PRN device. Then I told Unix   cat test.txt. 
	On my screen I saw
$ cat test.txt
not printableinvisible again.
$

In file printer.txt I found this text:
start printing this text.

	So my test demonstrated that Esc [ 5/4 i do work as designed in
MSK. And they work only when the VT200/300 level terminal emulation is
active.
	Not being satisfied, I then started CKermit on the Unix machine
and at its command prompt I typed exactly your DEF VTPRINT... command.
Then still talking from MSK's VT320 terminal emulator via Telnet to the
Unix machine, with CKermit still stilling at its command prompt, I said
  	vtprint thisfile.txt
What I saw on my MSK screen was exactly nothing new, but file printer.txt
had the contents of thisfile.txt. This again shows both ends are doing what
they should.
	What is unclear in your message is whether or not MSK was in
terminal emulation mode, and if so what kind of terminal, and if all
that is correct then does DOS drive your printer ok. Again, terminal
emulation mode is not active when transfering files, nor when we are
looking at the Kermit prompt.
        Joe D.

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Hi:
kermit support Z-MODEM ? 

-- 
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In article <72qt1i$o32@netnews.hinet.net>,
sor <sorsor.bbs@bbs.csie.nctu.edu.tw> wrote:
: kermit support Z-MODEM ? 
: 
Kermit 95 supports Zmodem intrinsically.

UNIX C-Kermit supports Zmodem as an external protocol.

- Frank


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Hi.  I'd like to make sure C-Kermit builds and runs OK on Solaris 7.
If you have a Solaris 7 system with developers tools (Sun CC or gcc)
and would be willing to try building and testing it, please contact
me.  Thanks!

Frank da Cruz
fdc@columbia.edu

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Hi.  I'd like to make sure C-Kermit builds and runs OK on Unixware 7.
If you have a Unixware 7 system with developers tools (C compiler, etc)
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Frank da Cruz
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In comp.protocols.kermit.misc Joe Doupnik <jrd@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
> In article <72q0ac$dft$1@Jupiter.mcs.net>, ddellutr@MCS.COM (Dale Dellutri) writes:
> > I'm trying to get MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 to automatically print whatever
> > is sent to the screen.
> > ...
> 	Let's see if we can understand the test situation, because my
> test below works perfectly.
As the first respondent guessed, I had SET PRINTER NUL in my
MSCUSTOM.INI.  Once I commented that out, everything worked OK.
-- 
Dale Dellutri - ddellutr@mcs.net

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Does c-kermti 6.0.192 support following dataformat on a direct serial
line:

__        __________________________
      |    |      |     |    |    |    |    |    |    |
      |ST|D0|D1|D2|D3|D4|D5|D6|D7|SP|
      |__|__  |__  |__|__|__|__|__|__|    |..

1 startbit (logical 0)
8 databits
1 stopbit (logical 1)
no parity

I set the following parameters but the output is incorrect

set flow(-control)   none
set carrier-watch    off
set line             /dev/ttya
set speed            19200

set parity              none
set terminal bytesize   8
set escape              ^x

connect

hangup


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#Piet Vloet
#Siemens AG Austria
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|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |ST|D0|D1|D2|D3|D4|D5|D6|D7|SP|
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<br>8 databits
<br>1 stopbit (logical 1)
<br>no parity
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<br>I set the following parameters but the output is incorrect
<p>set flow(-control)&nbsp;&nbsp; none
<br>set carrier-watch&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; off
<br>set line&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
/dev/ttya
<br>set speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
19200
<br>&nbsp;
<br>set parity&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
none
<br>set terminal bytesize&nbsp;&nbsp; 8
<br>set escape&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
^x
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<br>connect
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<br>hangup
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#Siemens AG Austria
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3651AE71.258022DB@siemens.at>,
petrus vloet  <petrus.vloet@siemens.at> wrote:
: Does c-kermti 6.0.192 support following dataformat on a direct serial
: line:
: ______________________________
: |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
: |ST|D0|D1|D2|D3|D4|D5|D6|D7|SP|
: |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|
:
: 1 startbit (logical 0)
: 8 databits
: 1 stopbit (logical 1)
: no parity
: 
Yes.

: I set the following parameters but the output is incorrect
: 
: set flow(-control)   none
: set carrier-watch    off
: set line             /dev/ttya
: set speed            19200
: 
: set parity              none
: set terminal bytesize   8
: set escape              ^x
: 
Then it's incorrect for some other reason.  A character-set
translation issue, perhaps?

What does it look like, and what is it supposed to look like?

Note that "set flow-control none" is often a cause of fractured
output.  Why not use RTS/CTS or Xon/Xoff?

- Frank

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Two things I'd like to see K95 be able to do:

cut and paste to other programs (am I missing something?)

edit the Kermit-95 dialer entries, maybe remove some of the
ones already entered...

Thanks,

Tim Holmes

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In article <3651b7cb$0$12764@nntp1.ba.best.com>,
Tim Holmes  <holmes@shell10.ba.best.com> wrote:
: 
: Two things I'd like to see K95 be able to do:
: 
: cut and paste to other programs (am I missing something?)
: 
Yes.  See pages 55-58 of the original Kermit 95 manual.

Note that the current version of K95 is 1.1.17.  It comes with an
online manual you can read from your web browser.  The easiest
way to find it is to start the Dialer, click on Help in the main
menu, then choose the K95 Manual.

Go to Chapter 7, Using the Terminal Emulator.  Then go to the 
section called Using the Mouse.  This material is current with
the latest version, and also somewhat more comprehensive than in
the original manual.

Also see Items 61, 356, and 357 in the BUGS.TXT file.

: edit the Kermit-95 dialer entries, maybe remove some of the
: ones already entered...
: 
Use the buttons on the Dialer's Toolbar: Edit, Add, Remove, etc.

If you don't have version 1.1.17, you can patch up to it at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html

- Frank

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Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <3651b7cb$0$12764@nntp1.ba.best.com>,
: Tim Holmes  <holmes@shell10.ba.best.com> wrote:
: : 
: : Two things I'd like to see K95 be able to do:
: : 
: : cut and paste to other programs (am I missing something?)
: : 
: Yes.  See pages 55-58 of the original Kermit 95 manual.


: Go to Chapter 7, Using the Terminal Emulator.  Then go to the 
: section called Using the Mouse.  This material is current with
: the latest version, and also somewhat more comprehensive than in
: the original manual.

Thanks for the mousing advice.  I was thrown off when the highlighting
disappeared after selection.



: : edit the Kermit-95 dialer entries, maybe remove some of the
: : ones already entered...

When I select "REMOVE", it tells me "Unable to remove Predefined Entry".

Thanks again for the help with the dumb questions.

Tim Holmes

P.S.  Using 1.1.17



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In article <3651c628$0$12768@nntp1.ba.best.com>,
Tim Holmes  <holmes@shell10.ba.best.com> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: ...
: : : edit the Kermit-95 dialer entries, maybe remove some of the
: : : ones already entered...
: 
: When I select "REMOVE", it tells me "Unable to remove Predefined Entry".
: 
>From the FAQ.TXT file in the K95 directory:

Q: How do I remove unwanted preloaded entries from the Dialer?

A: You can not remove an individual predefined entry with the Remove button.
   The following methods are currently available (this description applies
   to Windows 95 and NT; for OS/2, replace "K95" with "K2"):

   . You can hide all the predefined entries by going into the Dialer's
     Options menu, selecting View, and then unchecking "Pre-defined".

   . If you don't want any of the preloaded entries, you can simply rename
     your DIALINF.DAT file to something else, like XXXDIALINF.DAT, or delete
     it altogether (you can always get it back from the distribution
     diskette).  This will leave you with a small readable and writable Dialer
     database, DIALUSR.DAT.  In case your DIALUSR.DAT file contains no DEFAULT
     template, K95DIAL creates a DEFAULT entry for you automatically.  Use the
     Edit button to go through its pages and make sure the settings are what
     you need so the Add and Quick buttons will work as you desire.

   . To make changes in DIALINF.DAT:

     - Make a backup copy of your DIALINF.DAT file.
     - Make a new temporary directory.
     - Copy K95DIAL.EXE, DIALER.DAT, and DIALINF.DAT into it.
     - CD to the new directory.
     - Copy DIALINF.DAT to DIALUSR.DAT
     - Start K95DIAL.
     - Edit the entries as desired.
     - Exit from K95DIAL.
     - Still in the new directory, rename DIALUSR.DAT to DIALINF.DAT.
     - Copy the new DIALINF.DAT file to your Kermit 95 directory.

   To make changes in DIALORG.DAT, follow the same procedure, except
   substitute "DIALORG" for "DIALINF".  We recommend that no changes be
   made to DIALINF.DAT.

- Frank

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Tim Holmes <holmes@shell10.ba.best.com> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: : In article <3651b7cb$0$12764@nntp1.ba.best.com>,
: : Tim Holmes  <holmes@shell10.ba.best.com> wrote:
: : : 
: : : Two things I'd like to see K95 be able to do:
: : : 
: : : cut and paste to other programs (am I missing something?)
: : : 
: : Yes.  See pages 55-58 of the original Kermit 95 manual.


: : : ones already entered...

: When I select "REMOVE", it tells me "Unable to remove Predefined Entry".

: Thanks again for the help with the dumb questions.

: Tim Holmes

: P.S.  Using 1.1.17


Following my own post.  Found the menu selection for not displaying
Predefined entries...

Guess that answers it.    

 Tim Holmes



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In <72s7p5$60f$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:


>Hi.  I'd like to make sure C-Kermit builds and runs OK on Solaris 7.
>If you have a Solaris 7 system with developers tools (Sun CC or gcc)
>and would be willing to try building and testing it, please contact
>me.  Thanks!

>Frank da Cruz
>fdc@columbia.edu

Ok Frank. I just got my copies of Solaris 7 from Sun today. We'll load it
on one of our test machines, and I'll let you know if beta 5 (which is
what we're using now) compiles and runs. Give me a couple of days...

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>
>Hi.  I'd like to make sure C-Kermit builds and runs OK on Unixware 7.
>If you have a Unixware 7 system with developers tools (C compiler, etc)
>and would be willing to try building and testing it, please contact
>me.  Thanks!
>
>Frank da Cruz
>Columbia University
>fdc@columbia.edu

I just compiled it recently without any trouble.

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In article <72t4rr$r5i$1@news-2.csn.net>,
Orion Poplawski <orion@bvt.com> wrote:
: >Hi.  I'd like to make sure C-Kermit builds and runs OK on Unixware 7.
: >If you have a Unixware 7 system with developers tools (C compiler, etc)
: >and would be willing to try building and testing it, please contact
: >me.  Thanks!
: 
: I just compiled it recently without any trouble.
: 
Yes, versions 6.0 and 6.1 compile OK, but my working copy (soon to be
announced as 7.0 Alpha) is a bit trickier.

In any case, it would be nice to get the higher serial speeds and Unixware is
not too keen on letting us do this.  I'm working on this.

- Frank

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I'm trying to get MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 to automatically print whatever
is sent to the screen.  I set up the following definition for the
remote kermit (not the one running on the PC), then sent a file using
it, as suggested in the C-Kermit book:

define VTPRINT xecho \27[5i, type \%1, xecho \12\27[4i

Then I started C-Kermit 6.1.193 Beta05 on the remote system and sent a
file.  When I used MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 on the PC, this did not work.
When I used Terminal (the Windows standard accessory) it did work.

What would I need to do to make MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 work?
-- 
Dale Dellutri - ddellutr@mcs.net

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On 17 Nov 1998 17:52:11 GMT, Tim Holmes wrote:

:>
:>Two things I'd like to see K95 be able to do:
:>
:>cut and paste to other programs (am I missing something?)
:>
As I recall, you want K2CLIP.EXE running in the background.....

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Hi Frank,

I just successfully compiled the test code, 
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/x.tar.gz, on Unixware 7.  Telnet
seems to work just fine.  I'll hook up some serial ports and see if those
work too.

Matthew


In article <72t6rc$pg7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>In article <72t4rr$r5i$1@news-2.csn.net>,
>Orion Poplawski <orion@bvt.com> wrote:
>: >Hi.  I'd like to make sure C-Kermit builds and runs OK on Unixware 7.
>: >If you have a Unixware 7 system with developers tools (C compiler, etc)
>: >and would be willing to try building and testing it, please contact
>: >me.  Thanks!
>: 
>: I just compiled it recently without any trouble.
>: 
>Yes, versions 6.0 and 6.1 compile OK, but my working copy (soon to be
>announced as 7.0 Alpha) is a bit trickier.
>
>In any case, it would be nice to get the higher serial speeds and Unixware is
>not too keen on letting us do this.  I'm working on this.
>
>- Frank



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In article <abyynvtlbexhpn.f2lyoc0.pminews@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca>,
Nollaig MacKenzie <Nollaig@YorkU.CA.nospam> wrote:
: On 17 Nov 1998 17:52:11 GMT, Tim Holmes wrote:
: 
: :>
: :>Two things I'd like to see K95 be able to do:
: :>
: :>cut and paste to other programs (am I missing something?)
: :>
: As I recall, you want K2CLIP.EXE running in the background.....
: 

K2CLIP.EXE is only required on OS/2.  Windows 95/98/NT do not
have the concept of separate process types for console and gui
application.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
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In article <72q0ac$dft$1@Jupiter.mcs.net>,
Dale Dellutri <ddellutr@MCS.COM> wrote:
: I'm trying to get MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 to automatically print whatever
: is sent to the screen.  I set up the following definition for the
: remote kermit (not the one running on the PC), then sent a file using
: it, as suggested in the C-Kermit book:
: 
: define VTPRINT xecho \27[5i, type \%1, xecho \12\27[4i
: 
: Then I started C-Kermit 6.1.193 Beta05 on the remote system and sent a
: file.  When I used MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 on the PC, this did not work.
: When I used Terminal (the Windows standard accessory) it did work.
: 
: What would I need to do to make MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 work?
:
So you have Windows 3.1 on your PC?

MS-DOS Kermit transparent printing does work, as you can demonstrate to
your satisfication by telling it to SET PRINTER FOO.BAR, and verifying that
printed material goes into the FOO.BAR file.

So this is evidently one of those annoying DOS-vs-Windows printer issues.
Windows Terminal is a native Windows 3.1 program, MS-DOS Kermit is a DOS
program, and is forbidden access to Windows objects.  For all I know, your
printer might be a Winprinter.

In any case, you might be able to make this work by trying different printer
printer names:  SET PRINTER LPT1:, etc.

- Frank

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From: "Sven Joensson" <Sven.Jonsson@NOSPAM.enator.se>
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I am using K95 under Win95 to connect over a serial line to another
computer. Since I have
had some problems with hanging K95 after receiving garbage character,
someone suggested
using tapi connections instead of COM1.

It works fine, but when closing the connection K95 hangs for one
minute and sends a lot of
ATH to the other computer.

Does anyone know how to avoid the one minute delay and all the ATH?

/Sven Joensson



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In article <72ka81$sa4$1@news1.enator.se>,
Sven Joensson <Sven.Jonsson@NOSPAM.enator.se> wrote:
: I am using K95 under Win95 to connect over a serial line to another
: computer. Since I have
: had some problems with hanging K95 after receiving garbage character,
: someone suggested
: using tapi connections instead of COM1.
: 
: It works fine, but when closing the connection K95 hangs for one
: minute and sends a lot of
: ATH to the other computer.
: 
: Does anyone know how to avoid the one minute delay and all the ATH?
: 
When you use the TAPI device, it is controlled by TAPI, and TAPI can
take its time.  One way to speed up the close operation is:

  set modem hangup-method rs232-signal

(rather than set modem hangup-method modem-command).  Of course, this
works only if the modem responds appropriately to DTR-off.  But
closing a TAPI device is still slower than closing a COM device.

- Frank

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In article <7342ia$cf6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <72ka81$sa4$1@news1.enator.se>,
: Sven Joensson <Sven.Jonsson@NOSPAM.enator.se> wrote:
: : I am using K95 under Win95 to connect over a serial line to another
: : computer. Since I have
: : had some problems with hanging K95 after receiving garbage character,
: : someone suggested
: : using tapi connections instead of COM1.
: : 
: : It works fine, but when closing the connection K95 hangs for one
: : minute and sends a lot of
: : ATH to the other computer.
: : 
: : Does anyone know how to avoid the one minute delay and all the ATH?
: : 
: When you use the TAPI device, it is controlled by TAPI, and TAPI can
: take its time.  One way to speed up the close operation is:
: 
:   set modem hangup-method rs232-signal
: 
: (rather than set modem hangup-method modem-command).  Of course, this
: works only if the modem responds appropriately to DTR-off.  But
: closing a TAPI device is still slower than closing a COM device.
: 
: - Frank


Also, make sure that you are using the current version of Kermit 95 
which is 1.1.17.  Free updates are available via the web at
  http:/www.kermit-project.org/k95patch.html

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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We've just started upgrading from MS-Kermit to K95.

We use APC to send some very quick commands to alter the terminal
settings.

In MS-Kermit APC does not cause significant flicker because the
command mode screen is not preserved after entering connect mode.

In M-95 the connect mode screen is momentarily replaced by the command
mode screen.

This is ugly if all I was doing was changing the terminal settings.

Is there any way to get back the MS-Kermit behaviour?

Alternatively is there some other trick I could be using?

While on the subject of APC.  Any chance one could have better control
of APC?  Could we perhaps have APC strings passed as an argument to a
user-provided macro?

This would be most useful if the kermit command lanuage had something
like the bourne-shell "eval".  Is there such a beast?

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In article <u93e7exsa8.fsf@wcl-l.bham.ac.uk>,
Brian McCauley  <B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
: We've just started upgrading from MS-Kermit to K95.
: 
: We use APC to send some very quick commands to alter the terminal
: settings.
: 
: In MS-Kermit APC does not cause significant flicker because the
: command mode screen is not preserved after entering connect mode.
: 
: In M-95 the connect mode screen is momentarily replaced by the command
: mode screen.
: 
: This is ugly if all I was doing was changing the terminal settings.
: 
: Is there any way to get back the MS-Kermit behaviour?
: 
: Alternatively is there some other trick I could be using?

The MS-DOS Kermit behavior is not different from the Kermit 95 behavior.
In order for an APC to be evaluated the command parser must be activated.
There are no restrictions on what can be put in an APC.  Therefore, the
command screen must be activated.  Otherwise, the user would not be able
to see command output or be able to respond to prompts for input.

If all you want to do is change terminal emulation parameters then there
are most likely escape sequences defined for the terminal emulation that
will do what you desire.  An APC would not be necessary for that.

: While on the subject of APC.  Any chance one could have better control
: of APC?  Could we perhaps have APC strings passed as an argument to a
: user-provided macro?
: 
: This would be most useful if the kermit command lanuage had something
: like the bourne-shell "eval".  Is there such a beast?

I'm not sure what you are asking here.  An APC can include user defined
macros.  

As far as 'eval' goes.  Simply define a macro to be the commands you want 
executed and then call it.  

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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In article <7347jh$fe8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <u93e7exsa8.fsf@wcl-l.bham.ac.uk>,
: Brian McCauley  <B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
: : While on the subject of APC.  Any chance one could have better control
: : of APC?  Could we perhaps have APC strings passed as an argument to a
: : user-provided macro?
: : 
: : This would be most useful if the kermit command lanuage had something
: : like the bourne-shell "eval".  Is there such a beast?
: 
: I'm not sure what you are asking here.  An APC can include user defined
: macros.  
: 
: As far as 'eval' goes.  Simply define a macro to be the commands you want 
: executed and then call it.  
: 
APC is a rather limited mechanism with all sorts of security considerations.
The more powerful you make it, the less secure it becomes.

The next round of Kermit software releases will include a far tighter
coupling of client and server, including such items as remote procedure
calls, execution of local or remote shell commands or programs with 
assignment of their results to variables, etc.

Watch this space for announcements.

- Frank

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Since I'm not using any modem, I tried to understand where the ATH
came from. When you
install a modem you get an inf-file with a lot of information, among
other things Hang-up-strings.

I created a special inf-file for Null-modem, which does not send
anything when connecting
and closing down. Now K95 close down as fast as when I used COM1. If
anyone interested
to test this I attached the inf-file.

/Sven

Frank da Cruz wrote in message
<7342ia$cf6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <72ka81$sa4$1@news1.enator.se>,
>Sven Joensson <Sven.Jonsson@NOSPAM.enator.se> wrote:
>: I am using K95 under Win95 to connect over a serial line to another
>: computer. Since I have
>: had some problems with hanging K95 after receiving garbage
character,
>: someone suggested
>: using tapi connections instead of COM1.
>:
>: It works fine, but when closing the connection K95 hangs for one
>: minute and sends a lot of
>: ATH to the other computer.
>:
>: Does anyone know how to avoid the one minute delay and all the ATH?
>:
>When you use the TAPI device, it is controlled by TAPI, and TAPI can
>take its time.  One way to speed up the close operation is:
>
>  set modem hangup-method rs232-signal
>
>(rather than set modem hangup-method modem-command).  Of course, this
>works only if the modem responds appropriately to DTR-off.  But
>closing a TAPI device is still slower than closing a COM device.
>
>- Frank


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jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

> Brian McCauley  <B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk> wrote:

> : In MS-Kermit APC does not cause significant flicker because the
> : command mode screen is not preserved after entering connect mode.
> : 
> : In M-95 the connect mode screen is momentarily replaced by the command
> : mode screen.

> : Is there any way to get back the MS-Kermit behaviour?
> 
> The MS-DOS Kermit behavior is not different from the Kermit 95 behavior.
> In order for an APC to be evaluated the command parser must be
> activated.

Yes it is different.  If you read what I said you'll note that I did
not suggest that it was the handling of APC that was different.
What is different is the handling of the connect mode to command mode
transition.

> If all you want to do is change terminal emulation parameters then there
> are most likely escape sequences defined for the terminal emulation that
> will do what you desire.

Obviously I've already looked for that.  I want to switch from block
cursor to underline and back.  There is (perversely) no (documented)
sequence for this on genuine vt320.

> : While on the subject of APC.  Any chance one could have better control
> : of APC?  Could we perhaps have APC strings passed as an argument to a
> : user-provided macro?
> 
> I'm not sure what you are asking here.  An APC can include user defined
> macros.  

Indeed that's how I usually use it.  What I want is a way to make it
more secure.  All APC commands would be passed one specific macro.
This macro would decide what to do.  One possiblity would be for the
macro to simply pass the command on to the command interpreter.  Hense
my following statement:

> : This would be most useful if the kermit command lanuage had something
> : like the bourne-shell "eval".  Is there such a beast?

> As far as 'eval' goes.  Simply define a macro to be the commands you want 
> executed and then call it.  

You mean like:

define shelleval { assign shellevaltmp \%1, shellevaltmp }

Yes this seems to work but I'm not sure I've got it completely
metacharacter safe.

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In article <u9zp9iisdv.fsf@wcl-l.bham.ac.uk>,
Brian McCauley  <B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
: ...
: > If all you want to do is change terminal emulation parameters then there
: > are most likely escape sequences defined for the terminal emulation that
: > will do what you desire.
: 
: Obviously I've already looked for that.  I want to switch from block
: cursor to underline and back.  There is (perversely) no (documented)
: sequence for this on genuine vt320.
: 
Right.  That's one of the major reasons why some people still use Heath-19
emulation instead.  Especially with applications that have "insert mode"
and "replace mode" (such as 3270 protocol converters) -- so they can change
the cursor shape to reflect the current mode.

: > : While on the subject of APC.  Any chance one could have better control
: > : of APC?  Could we perhaps have APC strings passed as an argument to a
: > : user-provided macro?
: > 
: > I'm not sure what you are asking here.  An APC can include user defined
: > macros.  
: 
: Indeed that's how I usually use it.  What I want is a way to make it
: more secure.  All APC commands would be passed one specific macro.
: This macro would decide what to do.  One possiblity would be for the
: macro to simply pass the command on to the command interpreter.
: 
You might want to look into the PRODUCT macro.  This macro, whose definition
you can fill in as desired, gets its arguments from a host-generated escape
sequence.

- Frank

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Hi,

This is addressed to whoever can help.  I am at my wit's end.  I am the
systems administrator for a small medical transcription company in
Golden, Colorado.  We are running RedHat Linux 4.2 with the 2.23.30
kernel.  I have a set of four Zoom modems on a RocketPort 16 port PCI
board; the modems are used for both dialout (sending completed work to
clients) and dialin (receiving work from transcriptionists) and are on a
rollover line so they are accessed in sequence.  We are using "mgetty"
1.1.15 for the getty processes on all of the modems and we use Kermit
6.1 for all the dialout scripting and the dialin file transfer programs.

The problem is, in short, that my system periodically freezes and it
appears to be as a result of just Kermit or Kermit and mgetty.

The history of the problem is this.  We upgraded to RedHat 4.2 and a new
ethernet network.  The modems were attached to the serial ports of the
nodes of the network (4) for various and sundry reasons.  The system
would freeze/crash so that I would have to reboot anywhere about every
3-10 days.  We pulled the modems in July and put them all on the
Rocketport on the main server.   The system began to freeze about 1-5
times a day and I had to reboot that often.  I started to rule things
out.  I obtained the latest and greatest RocketPort driver.  The
behavior stayed the same.  I played with the initialization strings in
mgetty and the behavior stayed the same.   In the middle of all this, I
discovered that if I turned on and off the offending modem my system
"unfroze" without rebooting.  This saved a lot of time and frustration
for all concerned.  I then sought to find out what made a modem an
offending modem.  It appears to boil down to Kermit file transfers.

We serve approximately 14 hospitals and we dial in to those hospitals
3-4 time each every day.  The scripts for doing this are automated.
Frequently, a send will fail in some way, the login procedure won't go
to completion, a prompt will be missed,  or a file transfer will fail
repeatedly, all of these require that the script be started over.
Sometimes when the script is restarted and the modem is then accessed
the system freezes, as if  the modem is already being used but no lock
file exists.  Also, it may fail if a send has left the modem in an
unstable(?) state and someone connects to the modem rather than
quitting.  It is almost always the case that the system freezes when we
try to do something with a send that has stalled, i.e. when we try to
get a C-Kermit prompt with our escape character or we try to connect to
the modem.  (By stalled I mean it looks like it has accessed the modem
but it does not dial or initialize the modem.)  If a send has stalled
and I go to kill the process as root or the user kills the process, the
system also freezes.

As a result of all this I started to look at the script files that we
use.  The script files create their own initialization, we don't use the
ckermit.ini files for initialization, so I have played with that,
changing the initialization parameters, playing with the modem
initialization string, etc. etc. etc., and the problem remains.

I have posted this to de.alt.comm.mgetty because I am still not sure if
this is some behavior that "mgetty" displays.  If it does not, please
ignore this posting in de.alt.comm.mgetty.

I think that is pretty much it.  If you have any ideas at all I would
very much appreciate hearing them.  If anyone needs more detail, I can
supply it.  I have exhausted all other resources; you're my only hope
Obi-Wans.

Please post here or you can email me at jkaiser@execumed.com.

Thank you very much,

Joe Kaiser



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Subject: Re: At Wit's End on system freezes
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In article <365ACCF8.1C502662@ouray.cudenver.edu>,
Joseph L. Kaiser <jlkaiser@ouray.cudenver.edu> wrote:
: This is addressed to whoever can help.  I am at my wit's end.  I am the
: systems administrator for a small medical transcription company in
: Golden, Colorado.  We are running RedHat Linux 4.2 with the 2.23.30
: kernel.  I have a set of four Zoom modems on a RocketPort 16 port PCI
: board; the modems are used for both dialout (sending completed work to
: clients) and dialin (receiving work from transcriptionists) and are on a
: rollover line so they are accessed in sequence.  We are using "mgetty"
: 1.1.15 for the getty processes on all of the modems and we use Kermit
: 6.1 for all the dialout scripting and the dialin file transfer programs.
: 
: The problem is, in short, that my system periodically freezes and it
: appears to be as a result of just Kermit or Kermit and mgetty.
: 
To isolate the problem, you must separate Kermit and mgetty.  My long
experience has told me that bidirectional terminal ports on Unix rarely
work as desired, and when problems such as this occur, they can almost
always be attributed to the bidirectionality.  Remove that and the problems
go away.

I know this is not a very satisfying answer, since modems and phone lines
cost money, and so should be shared whenever possible.

: The history of the problem is this.  We upgraded to RedHat 4.2 and a new
: ethernet network.  The modems were attached to the serial ports of the
: nodes of the network (4) for various and sundry reasons.  The system
: would freeze/crash so that I would have to reboot anywhere about every
: 3-10 days.  We pulled the modems in July and put them all on the
: Rocketport on the main server.   The system began to freeze about 1-5
: times a day and I had to reboot that often.  I started to rule things
: out.  I obtained the latest and greatest RocketPort driver.  The
: behavior stayed the same.  I played with the initialization strings in
: mgetty and the behavior stayed the same.
:
This is a critical area.  There might very well be a setting that makes
the problem go away, but you didn't hit upon it in your experimentation.
For example, did you try all possible DSR-behavior selections?  (&S0,
&S1, &S2, ...)

: In the middle of all this, I
: discovered that if I turned on and off the offending modem my system
: "unfroze" without rebooting.  This saved a lot of time and frustration
: for all concerned.
:
Because it resets the modem to its factory or saved state, which agrees
with what mgetty and the port drivers need.

: I then sought to find out what made a modem an
: offending modem.  It appears to boil down to Kermit file transfers.
: 
What else are you using the modems for besides Kermit transfers?

: We serve approximately 14 hospitals and we dial in to those hospitals
: 3-4 time each every day.  The scripts for doing this are automated.
: Frequently, a send will fail in some way, the login procedure won't go
: to completion, a prompt will be missed,  or a file transfer will fail
: repeatedly, all of these require that the script be started over.
:
Of course the script can be written to catch and recover from all these
events.

: Sometimes when the script is restarted and the modem is then accessed
: the system freezes, as if  the modem is already being used but no lock
: file exists.
:
When you say "the system freezes", do you mean the entire system, or do you
mean the process that is trying to open the modem?  If you mean the whole
system, then there is a serious problem in the system itself, since no
user program should be able to freeze Linux.

: Also, it may fail if a send has left the modem in an
: unstable(?) state and someone connects to the modem rather than
: quitting.
:
If the Kermit process exits in the normal way, it will close the modem, hang
up the connection, release the lock, and restore the port driver to the
settings it had when the port was opened.

If Kermit terminates abnormally, i.e. crashes, then you should report that 
to us.  If it is terminated from outside abnormally -- killed from another
process, or suspended and then killed -- normal UNIX process-exit rules
apply, meaning, in most cases, that the port is simply closed.

  It is almost always the case that the system freezes when we
: try to do something with a send that has stalled, i.e. when we try to
: get a C-Kermit prompt with our escape character or we try to connect to
: the modem.  (By stalled I mean it looks like it has accessed the modem
: but it does not dial or initialize the modem.)  If a send has stalled
: and I go to kill the process as root or the user kills the process, the
: system also freezes.
: 
If Kermit is stuck in an i/o system call after successfully opening the modem,
this is probably a consequence of the state in which a previous incoming call,
or mgetty itself, has left the modem.  There's not much Kermit can do about
this.  Before Kermit can set up the modem for originating a call, the driver
has to allow i/o, but evidently this is not happening.

So again, my first recommendation would be to separate the inbound and
outbound modems.  Configure the inbound modems for answering calls, and let
Kermit handle the outbound modems.  Pay very careful attention to the modem
signal configurations on the modems (&Sn, &Cn, &Dn, etc), which MUST agree
in every respect with what your port drivers require.

Another idea would be to configure Kermit to:

  set modem hangup-method rs232

and make sure the modem is set to hang up the connection and return to command
state when DTR drops (normally &D2), and use C-Kermit's "generic-high-speed"
modem type, whose init string is simply AT&F (reset to factor defaults).

- Frank

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Subject: Re: At Wit's End on system freezes
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Frank da Cruz wrote:

: The history of the problem is this.  We upgraded to RedHat 4.2 and a new

> : ethernet network.  The modems were attached to the serial ports of the
> : nodes of the network (4) for various and sundry reasons.  The system
> : would freeze/crash so that I would have to reboot anywhere about every
> : 3-10 days.  We pulled the modems in July and put them all on the
> : Rocketport on the main server.   The system began to freeze about 1-5
> : times a day and I had to reboot that often.  I started to rule things
> : out.  I obtained the latest and greatest RocketPort driver.  The
> : behavior stayed the same.  I played with the initialization strings in
> : mgetty and the behavior stayed the same.
> :
>



> This is a critical area.  There might very well be a setting that makes
> the problem go away, but you didn't hit upon it in your experimentation.
> For example, did you try all possible DSR-behavior selections?  (&S0,
> &S1, &S2, ...)
>

No, I could try this...

> : In the middle of all this, I
> : discovered that if I turned on and off the offending modem my system
> : "unfroze" without rebooting.  This saved a lot of time and frustration
> : for all concerned.
> :
> Because it resets the modem to its factory or saved state, which agrees
> with what mgetty and the port drivers need.
>
> : I then sought to find out what made a modem an
> : offending modem.  It appears to boil down to Kermit file transfers.
> :
> What else are you using the modems for besides Kermit transfers?

Nothing other then kermit transfers and the occasional at home user.

> : Sometimes when the script is restarted and the modem is then accessed
> : the system freezes, as if  the modem is already being used but no lock
> : file exists.
> :
>



> When you say "the system freezes", do you mean the entire system, or do you
> mean the process that is trying to open the modem?  If you mean the whole
> system, then there is a serious problem in the system itself, since no
> user program should be able to freeze Linux.
>

When I say "the system freezes" I mean the entire systems stops.  The modem lights
cease to move, I can't toggle windows on the main server or any of the nodes of
the network, there is no logging in there is no logging out, all processes stop
whether on the server or on the nodes.  From what you and Gert are saying this is
starting to sound like a hardware problem, isn't it?  Or possibly a network
configuration problem.  I "inherited" this system from a previous systems
administrator who did all the initial set up of the network.  Not having the
knowledge to properly assess his work in this matter I have let it go.  Perhaps I
need to check everything.

Thanks to both you and Gert.  I have plenty to start testing.  If this is sounding
to your minds like a hardware problem or some kind of configuration problem,
please let me know.

Also, in response to setting the hangup method to rs232, I already do that, one of
the first things I tried.  and the modem is already set for &D2.  But I will
definitely try using the generic modem.

Thanks much,

Joe Kaiser


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I am trying to write a script to automate file transfer from a HP UNIX 
host to a remote host (unknown). When I do this interactively everything 
works. I am able to dial in,make a connection to  the remote host. escape 
back to  my local c-kermit by doing Ctrl-\ and then c and then typing the 
receive command at the local c-kermit prompt to do the file transfer.I 
am  unable to do this in a script.

The remote  host prompts to escape  to  file transfer mode.

I do something like
out \28\99  <--- I amtrying to replicate escaping to local kermit by using 
the ascii characters for ctrl-\ and c.This does not work ?

I am  looking for help in replicating Ctrl-\ followedby a c in myscript.

Thanks foryour help.
Pat Suresh


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From: Brian McCauley <B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk>
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Subject: K-95 bug in command completion of set terminal screen-mode
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To reproduce enter:

set terminal type screen-mode <TAB>

It puts up "normal" or "reverse" rather than "light-screen" or
"dark-screen".

K-95 version 1.1.17.

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From: Brian McCauley <B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk>
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Subject: K-95 bug in Linux emmulation of Esc[27m
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In the Linux terminal emmulation the escape sequnce Esc[27m does not
function correctly.  This is extreemly annoying in emacs.

To reproduce do the following in a K-95 terminal and also on a genuine
Linux console.

echo '\e[7mfoo\e[27bar'

K-95 version 1.1.17

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Subject: \v(host) is "unknown" in K-95?
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My Win95 box has both a DNS name and a NETBIOS name.  I don't much
care which \v(host) was set to (since I always make them the same) but
surely either one would be better than unknown.

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In article <73gapb$3n0@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
Parthasar Suresh  <patsuresh@worldnet.att.net@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: I am trying to write a script to automate file transfer from a HP UNIX 
: host to a remote host (unknown). When I do this interactively everything 
: works. I am able to dial in,make a connection to  the remote host. escape 
: back to  my local c-kermit by doing Ctrl-\ and then c and then typing the 
: receive command at the local c-kermit prompt to do the file transfer.I 
: am  unable to do this in a script.
: 
: The remote  host prompts to escape  to  file transfer mode.
: 
: I do something like
: out \28\99  <--- I amtrying to replicate escaping to local kermit by using 
: the ascii characters for ctrl-\ and c.This does not work ?
: 
: I am  looking for help in replicating Ctrl-\ followedby a c in myscript.
: 
The manual, "Using C-Kermit", explains how to write scripts.  Special commands
are required, which are documented there, along with numerous examples.  Very
briefly: INPUT, OUTPUT, IF SUCCESS (or FAILURE) take the place of CONNECT and
^\c.  Please consult the manual for details:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html

- Frank

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Subject: Re: \v(host) is "unknown" in K-95?
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In article <u9btlwx81q.fsf@wcl-l.bham.ac.uk>
Brian McCauley  <B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
: Subject: K-95 bug in command completion of set terminal screen-mode
: 
: To reproduce enter:
: 
: set terminal type screen-mode <TAB>
:
: It puts up "normal" or "reverse" rather than "light-screen" or
: "dark-screen".
:
: K-95 version 1.1.17.
:
Confirmed, to be fixed in 1.1.18.

And in article <u9btlwx81q.fsf@wcl-l.bham.ac.uk>
Brian McCauley  <B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
: Subject: K-95 bug in Linux emmulation of Esc[27m
: In the Linux terminal emmulation the escape sequnce Esc[27m does not
: function correctly.  This is extreemly annoying in emacs.
: 
: To reproduce do the following in a K-95 terminal and also on a genuine
: Linux console.
: 
: echo '\e[7mfoo\e[27bar'
: 
: K-95 version 1.1.17
:
We'll check this and fix it in 1.1.18 if it is a bug.

And then in article <u9af1gx7ge.fsf@wcl-l.bham.ac.uk>,
Brian McCauley  <B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
: Subject: \v(host) is "unknown" in K-95?
:
: My Win95 box has both a DNS name and a NETBIOS name.  I don't much
: care which \v(host) was set to (since I always make them the same) but
: surely either one would be better than unknown.
: 
We'll take care of this in 1.1.18.

Thanks for the reports.

- Frank

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I am using k97  v1.1.17 as a terminal emulator when connecting my PC (NT
4.0) to an Alpha 1000 running VMS 7.1 .   I have been having some troubles
lately due some programs that switch the terminal type on the Alpha.  The
programs force the Alpha into VT100 mode.  I usaully start my connections in
VT320 mode.   In using the debug mode I noticed that during connect and
login the Alpha does not recognize my terminial type.  A negotiation goes on
but I keep getting  "Unknow terminal type" messages.  ( I am not sure if
Kermit is generating these or the Alpha is generating these).

Now I found some information some time ago about VMS not recognizing
terminal types, but I can't find it now.

Can someone give me some suggestions on the following:

!. How to get k95 and VMS to agree on the terminal type.
2. How to get k95 to switch whenever VMS switchs
3. How to get k95 to force VMS back to VT320 mode if does change.

Any help appreciated

Dennis Irvine
dirvine@psln.com



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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

> Brian McCauley  <B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
> : To reproduce do the following in a K-95 terminal and also on a genuine
> : Linux console.
> : 
> : echo '\e[7mfoo\e[27bar'

I did, of course, mean "echo -e" not "echo" :-)

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From: Brian McCauley <B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk>
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Subject: Why not Kermit the Frog as Icon?
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I should have thought that is freqently asked yet "frog" does not
appear in the K-95 FAQ nor in a dejanews seach of this group.

According to the "Trademarks & Copyrights" section of "Using C-Kermit"
the name "Kermit" is used by permission of Henson Associates.

What, however, is the situation with regard to using the image of
Kermit the Frog as an icon?  Have Henson ever been asked about this?

What about hybrid icons of the frog and other logos/trademarks for
kermit sessions to particular platforms?  (For example Kermit/Tux for
a Linux session). 

For years I have had such icons for personal use, given the IPR issues
I would not want to release them unless Henson Associatess were to say
that the image could be used in this way.

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In article <73huqf$7ch$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Den <dirvine@psln.com> wrote:
: I am using k97  v1.1.17 as a terminal emulator when connecting my PC (NT
: 4.0) to an Alpha 1000 running VMS 7.1 .   I have been having some troubles
: lately due some programs that switch the terminal type on the Alpha.  The
: programs force the Alpha into VT100 mode.  I usaully start my connections in
: VT320 mode.   In using the debug mode I noticed that during connect and
: login the Alpha does not recognize my terminial type.  A negotiation goes on
: but I keep getting  "Unknow terminal type" messages.  ( I am not sure if
: Kermit is generating these or the Alpha is generating these).
: 
Are you speaking of terminal-type recognition and changing by escape sequence
or by Telnet negotiations?  What kind of connection do you have?

A real VT320 allows its terminal model to be interrogated by the host with
an escape sequence.  I have never heard of a VMS system that sent a "what are
you?" escape sequence (DECID) to the terminal and did not recognize the
response.  We would need to see a session log and/or debug log to determine
what is going on.  Please send them as binary email attachments to:

  kermit-support@columbia.edu

A real VT320 also allows the host to put it into VT100 mode, also by escape
sequence.  If the host does that, then K95 should do what the real VT320 does
(and indeed it does).

- Frank

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In article <u9hfvma5nd.fsf@wcl-l.bham.ac.uk>,
Brian McCauley  <B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
: I should have thought that is freqently asked yet "frog" does not
: appear in the K-95 FAQ nor in a dejanews seach of this group.
: 
: According to the "Trademarks & Copyrights" section of "Using C-Kermit"
: the name "Kermit" is used by permission of Henson Associates.
: 
: What, however, is the situation with regard to using the image of
: Kermit the Frog as an icon?  Have Henson ever been asked about this?
: 
: What about hybrid icons of the frog and other logos/trademarks for
: kermit sessions to particular platforms?  (For example Kermit/Tux for
: a Linux session). 
: 
: For years I have had such icons for personal use, given the IPR issues
: I would not want to release them unless Henson Associatess were to say
: that the image could be used in this way.
: 
Henson Associates gave us permission to use the name but not the image.

Since visual motifs are sine qua non of the times, we would favor a series
of images and icons with themes of New York City -- the place where Kermit
protocol and software comes from.  Yellow cabs, manhole covers, subways,
bridges, skylines, etc.  Contributions welcome.

- Frank

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Gregory I. Hayes (gihayes@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: I am using kermit on an aix box and can get it to dial out connect to
: another machine. but when I use the connect command. I get the following:

<snip>
: C-Kermit>connect
: Connecting thru /dev/tty2, speed 9600.
: The escape character is CTRL-\ (28).
: Type the escape character followed by C to get back,
: or followed by ? to see other options.
: Sorry, Can't condition communication line
: C-Kermit>

I get EXACTLY this message under the following circumstances:
	when running a kermit compiled on AIX 3.2 on a machine running
	AIX 4.1 or 4.2.

you may need to recompile, or make sure you pick up the correct
binary from Columbia University.

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Hello,
I have not used Kermit for several years but now when needing something
that can pass printouts from a UNIX host to a PC connected printer I
remembered that such a function existed in MS-KERMIT.
Does this functionality also exist in Kermit 95. I am talking about the
case where you initiate a printout that normally would go to a printer
connected to the host, not printing what shows on the screen.
I am grateful for any hints.

Regards
Goran Nordin
Hong Kong


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Tried the new streaming   
used ckermit 6.1 solaris 2.5  and msk316
for one transfer of a precompressed file with 28.8 connect

statistics on unix remote send side reported ~4800 cps (9 secs)
statistics on dos local receive side reported ~3100 cps (13+ secs)

                                                         Thanks

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The setup procedure invites me to choose a printer.  I choose a
windows print queue called "3rd floor".

The auto-generated k95custom.ini contains:

SET PRINTER {3rd floor}

If I try to print I get a file called "3rd floor".

To get it to work properly I need to change this to:

SET PRINTER /Windows_queue:3rd_floor

K-95 version 1.1.17

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Goran Nordin <pmuggcc@ibm.net> writes:

> I have not used Kermit for several years but now when needing something
> that can pass printouts from a UNIX host to a PC connected printer I
> remembered that such a function existed in MS-KERMIT.
> Does this functionality also exist in Kermit 95.

Of course.

> I am talking about the
> case where you initiate a printout that normally would go to a printer
> connected to the host, not printing what shows on the screen.
> I am grateful for any hints.

Many of the terminals emulated by K95 have escape sequences that can
be used to direct output to the a printer slaved off the terminal.
This is not so much a feature of Kermit as of the terminals it is
emmulating.

If your software on the host understands about this then it can use it.

In K95 (as in MSKERMIT) use the "SET PRINTER" command to specifty the
device of print queue to be used for these.

Alternatively you could run C-Kermit on the Unix host and do a "REMOTE
PRINT" provided you've not disabled AUTODOWNLOAD in K95.  For large
printouts this has the advantage that the system does not appear to be
dead during the download.

It appears you have to use a temporary file on the Unix box as I
cannot figure how to get C-Kermit to do a "REMOTE PRINT" from STDIN.

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I am sorry, I should have said that I am connecting via telnet over a TCP/IP
network.

Dennis
Frank da Cruz wrote in message <73juod$14g$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <73huqf$7ch$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Den <dirvine@psln.com>
wrote:
>: I am using k97  v1.1.17 as a terminal emulator when connecting my PC (NT
>: 4.0) to an Alpha 1000 running VMS 7.1 .   I have been having some
troubles
>: lately due some programs that switch the terminal type on the Alpha.  The
>: programs force the Alpha into VT100 mode.  I usaully start my connections
in
>: VT320 mode.   In using the debug mode I noticed that during connect and
>: login the Alpha does not recognize my terminial type.  A negotiation goes
on
>: but I keep getting  "Unknow terminal type" messages.  ( I am not sure if
>: Kermit is generating these or the Alpha is generating these).
>:
>Are you speaking of terminal-type recognition and changing by escape
sequence
>or by Telnet negotiations?  What kind of connection do you have?
>
>A real VT320 allows its terminal model to be interrogated by the host with
>an escape sequence.  I have never heard of a VMS system that sent a "what
are
>you?" escape sequence (DECID) to the terminal and did not recognize the
>response.  We would need to see a session log and/or debug log to determine
>what is going on.  Please send them as binary email attachments to:
>
>  kermit-support@columbia.edu
>
>A real VT320 also allows the host to put it into VT100 mode, also by escape
>sequence.  If the host does that, then K95 should do what the real VT320
does
>(and indeed it does).
>
>- Frank



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Goran Nordin <pmuggcc@ibm.net> asks about printing from Unix hosts to PC
connected printers.

Brian McCauley answered with some information.

I suggest you also see the files readme.txt, pcprint.sh and pcprint.man
in the K95/Printer directory (folder) where K95 is the directory in
which you installed Kermit 95.
 
-- 
Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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In article <73mii2$d3e$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Den <dirvine@psln.com> wrote:
: I am sorry, I should have said that I am connecting via telnet over a TCP/IP
: network.
: 
Then you can find out what is happening by telling K95 to "log debug",
then making the connection, and after the unwanted terminal-type switching
happens, "close debug".  In the debug.log file, all the lines that begin with
"TELNET" show the Telnet negotiations.  (In UNIX you would "grep ^TELNET
debug.log".)

If you want to disable Telnet-driven terminal-type switching, tell K95 to
"set telnet terminal-type vt320" (or other desired type).

- Frank

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In article <keu72.1276$Yy5.11212697@news2.voicenet.com>,
Christopher Mosley  <cmosley@voicenet.com> wrote:
: 
: Tried the new streaming   
: used ckermit 6.1 solaris 2.5  and msk316
: for one transfer of a precompressed file with 28.8 connect
: 
So this was a dialed connection?  Streaming is recommended only for
network connections.  For serial connections (other than PPP or SLIP),
you take your chances.

: statistics on unix remote send side reported ~4800 cps (9 secs)
: statistics on dos local receive side reported ~3100 cps (13+ secs)
: 
Start and end times can be seen differently from the two ends, and
measuring techniques also differ.  These should wash over longer transfers.

Still, I'd say that both figures are "not bad" considering it's a 2880cps
connection and the data is precompressed.

- Frank

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In article <u9k90hxumi.fsf@wcl-l.bham.ac.uk>,
Brian McCauley  <B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
: The setup procedure invites me to choose a printer.  I choose a
: windows print queue called "3rd floor".
: 
: The auto-generated k95custom.ini contains:
: 
: SET PRINTER {3rd floor}
: 
: If I try to print I get a file called "3rd floor".
: 
: To get it to work properly I need to change this to:
: 
: SET PRINTER /Windows_queue:3rd_floor
: 
: K-95 version 1.1.17
: 
We'll need to look into this.  Normally choosing a Windows printer
queue -- even one with spaces in its name -- in SETUP works fine.

Thanks for the report.

- Frank

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In article <u9lnkxxwnc.fsf@wcl-l.bham.ac.uk>,
Brian McCauley  <B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
: Goran Nordin <pmuggcc@ibm.net> writes:
: 
: > I have not used Kermit for several years but now when needing something
: > that can pass printouts from a UNIX host to a PC connected printer I
: > remembered that such a function existed in MS-KERMIT.
: > Does this functionality also exist in Kermit 95.
: 
: Of course.
: 
In the Dialer, click on Help in the main menu, then click on K95 Manual.
Then click on "Chapter 7, Using the Terminal Emulator".  Then click on
"Host-Initiated Printing" and read the info there.

: Alternatively you could run C-Kermit on the Unix host and do a "REMOTE
: PRINT" provided you've not disabled AUTODOWNLOAD in K95.  For large
: printouts this has the advantage that the system does not appear to be
: dead during the download.
: 
: It appears you have to use a temporary file on the Unix box as I
: cannot figure how to get C-Kermit to do a "REMOTE PRINT" from STDIN.
: 
C-Kermit 7.0 will address this.  To be announced soon for testing.

- Frank

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This is all the TELNET items in my debug log.   Hope this will help you in
pointing me in the right direction to get VMS and K95 on the same track.

Dennis
Frank da Cruz wrote in message <73mlb6$7jk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <73mii2$d3e$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Den <dirvine@psln.com>
wrote:
>: I am sorry, I should have said that I am connecting via telnet over a
TCP/IP
>: network.
>:
>Then you can find out what is happening by telling K95 to "log debug",
>then making the connection, and after the unwanted terminal-type switching
>happens, "close debug".  In the debug.log file, all the lines that begin
with
>"TELNET" show the Telnet negotiations.  (In UNIX you would "grep ^TELNET
>debug.log".)
>
>If you want to disable Telnet-driven terminal-type switching, tell K95 to
>"set telnet terminal-type vt320" (or other desired type).
>
>- Frank


begin 666 TELNETNEG.TXT
M5$5,3D54(%-%3E0@5TE,3"!415)-24Y!3"U465!%/3(T#0I414Q.150@4T5.
M5"!724Q,($Y%1T]424%412U!0D]55"U724Y$3U<M4TE:13TS,0T*5$5,3D54
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In article <73mpvu$gi6$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Den <dirvine@psln.com> wrote:
: This is all the TELNET items in my debug log.   Hope this will help you in
: pointing me in the right direction to get VMS and K95 on the same track.
: 
TELNET SENT WILL TERMINAL-TYPE=24
TELNET SENT WILL NEGOTIATE-ABOUT-WINDOW-SIZE=31
TELNET SENT WILL NEW-ENVIRONMENT=39
TELNET RCVD DO TERMINAL-TYPE=24
TELNET RCVD SB TERMINAL-TYPE SEND  IAC SE
TELNET SENT SB TERMINAL-TYPE IS vt320 IAC SE
TELNET RCVD DONT NEGOTIATE-ABOUT-WINDOW-SIZE=31
TELNET SENT WONT NEGOTIATE-ABOUT-WINDOW-SIZE=31
TELNET RCVD DONT NEW-ENVIRONMENT=39
TELNET SENT WONT NEW-ENVIRONMENT=39
TELNET RCVD WILL SUPPRESS-GO-AHEAD=3
TELNET SENT DO SUPPRESS-GO-AHEAD=3
TELNET RCVD SB TERMINAL-TYPE SEND  IAC SE
tn_sttyp[vt320]
TELNET SENT SB TERMINAL-TYPE IS vt320 IAC SE
TELNET RCVD DONT TERMINAL-TYPE=24
TELNET SENT WONT TERMINAL-TYPE=24
TELNET RCVD WILL ECHO=1
TELNET SENT DO ECHO=1
TELNET SENT DO LOGOUT=18

So Kermit sends its terminal type as VT320.  That's all that happens.
So Kermit is not changing its terminal type due to Telnet negotiations.
Therefore it is happening for some other reason.  The only possible reasons
are:

 1. A "set conformance level" escape sequence from the host (a session log
    would reveal this, but please don't post it here).

 2. A command in your k95custom.ini, script, or macro is doing it.

 3. You hit the Alt-T key, which toggles terminal types.

- Frank

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As Kermit the Frog can be found in most high street shops on mugs, t-shirts
(of which I own 12 pride of place parody ones), birthday cards, key rings
etc...why not a Kermit icon. Go for it, I say.





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I have been using a script which allows me to dial in and retrieve files
from our main AIX Bull machine.
The problem is that since we upgraded to version 6.0, all the commands are
echo'd to the remote screen.

Anyone got any idea's

Lee



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I'm using K95 to emulate a QNX (UN*X) terminal and transfer files.  The
QNX machine is using ckermit 6.0.  The problem I have is when I try to
transfer compressed, archived files e.g.; tar.F-ed, gzip-ed, pax.F-ed,
etc. my transfer fails.  *** On plain ASCII or binary files I have had
no problems with transfers!!!  The transfer generally starts OK but
after a few seconds fails on too many retries.  I've tried all the
recommended settings in K95 without success.  I run ck6.0 with a simple
`kermit -i send` or `kermit -i receive`.  I'm no kermit expert so the
debug log doesn't make allot of sense.  Here is a current transaction
log.
********************************************************************
Transaction Log: Kermit 95 1.1.17, 18 June 1998
 32-bit Windows
Fri Nov 27 11:34:08 1998

Transaction begins Fri Nov 27 11:40:54 1998

Global file mode: binary

Remote system type:  UNIX
Sending C:/K95/upload/lynx_kit.pax
 as LYNX_KIT.F
 mode: binary: 1
 remote name: lynx_kit.pax
Protocol Error: Too many retries.
***********************************************************************

This problem occurs during dial-up (modem) sessions.  I use rcp and ftp
for file transfers when LAN connected to these UN*X machines,  so I
don't know if this problem is modem related, operator error, or ?????.

Any help/tips would be greatly appreciated,

Dann O. Smith
@ Home


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<HTML>
I'm using K95 to emulate a QNX (UN*X) terminal and transfer files.&nbsp;
The QNX machine is using ckermit 6.0.&nbsp; The problem I have is when
I try to transfer compressed, archived files e.g.; tar.F-ed, gzip-ed, pax.F-ed,
etc. my transfer fails.&nbsp; *** On plain ASCII or binary files I have
had no problems with transfers!!!&nbsp; The transfer generally starts OK
but after a few seconds fails on too many retries.&nbsp; I've tried all
the recommended settings in K95 without success.&nbsp; I run ck6.0 with
a simple `kermit -i send` or `kermit -i receive`.&nbsp; I'm no kermit expert
so the debug log doesn't make allot of sense.&nbsp; Here is a current transaction
log.
<BR>********************************************************************
<BR>Transaction Log: Kermit 95 1.1.17, 18 June 1998
<BR>&nbsp;32-bit Windows
<BR>Fri Nov 27 11:34:08 1998

<P>Transaction begins Fri Nov 27 11:40:54 1998

<P>Global file mode: binary

<P>Remote system type:&nbsp; UNIX
<BR>Sending C:/K95/upload/lynx_kit.pax
<BR>&nbsp;as LYNX_KIT.F
<BR>&nbsp;mode: binary: 1
<BR>&nbsp;remote name: lynx_kit.pax
<BR>Protocol Error: Too many retries.
<BR>***********************************************************************

<P>This problem occurs during <B>dial-up</B> (modem) sessions.&nbsp; I
use rcp and ftp for file transfers when LAN connected to these UN*X machines,&nbsp;
so I don't know if this problem is modem related, operator error, or ?????.

<P>Any help/tips would be greatly appreciated,

<P>Dann O. Smith
<BR>@ Home
<BR>&nbsp;</HTML>

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There are certain programs on the Alpha, which when run causes the Alpha to
switch to vt100 mode.  Kermit however stays in VT320 mode. When I exit the
Alpha programs and get to a VMS prompt and then do a "show term" it shows
the Alpha in VT100 mode.  But my status window in k95 on my pc shows VT320.
When this happens the PF3 keys don't work.

Any suggestions?
Dennis
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:73n1te$dfr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu...
>In article <73mpvu$gi6$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Den <dirvine@psln.com>
wrote:
>: This is all the TELNET items in my debug log.   Hope this will help you
in
>: pointing me in the right direction to get VMS and K95 on the same track.
>:
>TELNET SENT WILL TERMINAL-TYPE=24
>TELNET SENT WILL NEGOTIATE-ABOUT-WINDOW-SIZE=31
>TELNET SENT WILL NEW-ENVIRONMENT=39
>TELNET RCVD DO TERMINAL-TYPE=24
>TELNET RCVD SB TERMINAL-TYPE SEND  IAC SE
>TELNET SENT SB TERMINAL-TYPE IS vt320 IAC SE
>TELNET RCVD DONT NEGOTIATE-ABOUT-WINDOW-SIZE=31
>TELNET SENT WONT NEGOTIATE-ABOUT-WINDOW-SIZE=31
>TELNET RCVD DONT NEW-ENVIRONMENT=39
>TELNET SENT WONT NEW-ENVIRONMENT=39
>TELNET RCVD WILL SUPPRESS-GO-AHEAD=3
>TELNET SENT DO SUPPRESS-GO-AHEAD=3
>TELNET RCVD SB TERMINAL-TYPE SEND  IAC SE
>tn_sttyp[vt320]
>TELNET SENT SB TERMINAL-TYPE IS vt320 IAC SE
>TELNET RCVD DONT TERMINAL-TYPE=24
>TELNET SENT WONT TERMINAL-TYPE=24
>TELNET RCVD WILL ECHO=1
>TELNET SENT DO ECHO=1
>TELNET SENT DO LOGOUT=18
>
>So Kermit sends its terminal type as VT320.  That's all that happens.
>So Kermit is not changing its terminal type due to Telnet negotiations.
>Therefore it is happening for some other reason.  The only possible reasons
>are:
>
> 1. A "set conformance level" escape sequence from the host (a session log
>    would reveal this, but please don't post it here).
>
> 2. A command in your k95custom.ini, script, or macro is doing it.
>
> 3. You hit the Alt-T key, which toggles terminal types.
>
>- Frank



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In article <73p72l$2ts$1@newsreader2.core.theplanet.net>,
Lee Beaumont <lee@apgis.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
: I have been using a script which allows me to dial in and retrieve files
: from our main AIX Bull machine.
: The problem is that since we upgraded to version 6.0, all the commands are
: echo'd to the remote screen.
: 
You'll need to be more specific.  On what platform are you running the script
(machine, OS, and version)?  What commands are in the script?

Generally if you use Kermit or any other software to log in to AIX, all
commands sent from the communication program to AIX are echoed by AIX.

- Frank

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In article <73pop0$8ct$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Dennis <dirvine@psln.com> wrote:
: There are certain programs on the Alpha, which when run causes the Alpha to
: switch to vt100 mode.  Kermit however stays in VT320 mode. When I exit the
: Alpha programs and get to a VMS prompt and then do a "show term" it shows
: the Alpha in VT100 mode.  But my status window in k95 on my pc shows VT320.
: When this happens the PF3 keys don't work.
: 
: Any suggestions?
:
Please tell K95 to "log session" before making your connection.  Then
make your connection, log in, and do the minimum amount of actions needed
to reproduce the problem.  Then log out.  Then send your session.log file
as a binary attachment to kermit-support@columbia.edu, along with a
description of what is supposed to happen versus what actually happened.

- Frank

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In article <73om0s$7d7$1@eros.clara.net>,
Robert Taylor <rtaylor@motivation.clara.net> wrote:
: As Kermit the Frog can be found in most high street shops on mugs, t-shirts
: (of which I own 12 pride of place parody ones), birthday cards, key rings
: etc...why not a Kermit icon. Go for it, I say.
: 
Kermit The Frog is the intellectual property of Henson Associates Inc, and
his image can be used only with license to do so, which costs money, and
which therefore adds to the cost of these items.  Unless the image was used
illegally, in which case the makers and sellers of these items are subject
to prosecution.

- Frank

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In article <36604A11.F2869F8F@tisd.net>,
Dann O. Smith <dsmit13@tisd.net> wrote:
: I'm using K95 to emulate a QNX (UN*X) terminal and transfer files.  The
: QNX machine is using ckermit 6.0.  The problem I have is when I try to
: transfer compressed, archived files e.g.; tar.F-ed, gzip-ed, pax.F-ed,
: etc. my transfer fails.  *** On plain ASCII or binary files I have had
: no problems with transfers!!!  The transfer generally starts OK but
: after a few seconds fails on too many retries.  I've tried all the
: recommended settings in K95 without success.  I run ck6.0 with a simple
: `kermit -i send` or `kermit -i receive`.
:
Tell K95 to "set prefixing all" and try again (this addresses the likelihood
that your connection is not transparent to control characters).

If that doesn't work, also tell it to "set parity space" (this addresses the
likelihood that your connection is not 8-bit transparent).

Also make sure you are using RTS/CTS flow control (if your modem supports it)
or, whatever else is most appropriate to the kind of connection you have.
Please note that Kermit 95 comes with a manual, "Using C-Kermit", which
contains a chapter (10) "Solving File Transfer Problems"; please consult it
for additional troubleshooting steps.

- Frank

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In article <73om0s$7d7$1@eros.clara.net>,
"Robert Taylor" <rtaylor@motivation.clara.net> wrote:

>As Kermit the Frog can be found in most high street shops on mugs, t-shirts
>(of which I own 12 pride of place parody ones), birthday cards, key rings
>etc...why not a Kermit icon. Go for it, I say.

    Because the manufacturers have either paid fees to have them
    licensed, or are risking major lawsuits.

-- 
jhurwit@netcom.com                                       Jeffrey Hurwit
         "Sometimes, I just can't help myself!"  --Babs Bunny

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Hello,

Is there a way to do "if line idle XXX seconds do command foo" in ckermit6?
I tried to use set alarm, if alarm but it seems to be only a general purpose
timer with no idea about idle times. Is there a way in standard kermit?

Thank you,

-Andi



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In article <slrn766vll.h2o.ak@colin.muc.de>,
Andi Kleen <ak@colin.muc.de> wrote:
: Is there a way to do "if line idle XXX seconds do command foo" in ckermit6?
: I tried to use set alarm, if alarm but it seems to be only a general purpose
: timer with no idea about idle times. Is there a way in standard kermit?
: 
INPUT xxx

Waits up to xxx seconds for *any* character to arrive.  It fails if no
characters arrive, and succeeds if any character does arrive within that
interval.

- Frank

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I am new to kermit and to down loading and sending
I am operating from a remote IBM and am trying to decrease the phone time
as I have only one line.
I am using a kermit software from the server.
Any help will be appreciated and I will speak well of you in high places.

Bill


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In article <Pine.PMDF.3.96.981201125708.574623974B-100000@amherst.edu>,
 <chsenecal@amherst.edu> wrote:
: 
: I am new to kermit and to down loading and sending
: I am operating from a remote IBM and am trying to decrease the phone time
: as I have only one line.
: I am using a kermit software from the server.
: Any help will be appreciated and I will speak well of you in high places.
: 
The best way to start is to visit our website and find out what kind of
resources and other information is available:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

- Frank


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In article <u9d86cx87b.fsf@wcl-l.bham.ac.uk>,
Brian McCauley  <B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
>In the Linux terminal emmulation the escape sequnce Esc[27m does not
>function correctly.  This is extreemly annoying in emacs.
>
>To reproduce do the following in a K-95 terminal and also on a genuine
>Linux console.
>
>echo '\e[7mfoo\e[27bar'
>
>K-95 version 1.1.17

Are you sure you're giving the proper command? There's a typo
in the preceding one.  If I enter

   echo -e '\e[7mfoo\e[27mbar'

in a K-95 session, logged onto my Linux machine, it gives me 
reverse-video "foo" and normal "bar". In other words it seems to
work fine.

(The -e flag to echo enables \e escape interpretation)
-- 
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From: Josh Rigler <jrigler@colorado.edu>
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Subject: kermit with PacComm Spirit-2 Packet Controller
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I'm trying to use kermit to test a direct (and eventually vi RF) link
between two PacComm packet controllers, which connect through a standard
serial port.  On one end, I have a Gateway2000 laptop with Linux.  I can
communicate with the packet controller beautifully in "local" mode.  On
the other end I have a Gateway2000 desktop system.  I start up kermit,
connect to the serial port, then I can't send any keyboard commands to
the packet controller.  If I use the packet controller's connect command
from the first computer (laptop), I can send text messages to the
terminal on the other side, and they pop up on the screen, like they're
supposed to.  I even tried swapping out the packet controllers, but the
problem seems to be with the desktop computer, not the controller.

I know this all sounds a little strange, but the gist of my question is
this.  What could possible be the difference between the two systems
that would affect kermit?  The only difference I can find in the two
kermits is that if I do a "show comm" on the good system, I get this...

Communications Parameters:
 Line: /dev/ttyS1, speed: 9600, mode: local, modem: none
 Terminal bits: 7, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake:
none
 Carrier: auto, lockfile: /var/lock/LCK..ttyS1
 Escape character: 28 (^\)

 Carrier Detect      (CD):  Off
 Dataset Ready       (DSR): On
 Clear To Send       (CTS): On
 Ring Indicator      (RI):  Off
 Data Terminal Ready (DTR): On
 Request To Send     (RTS): On

but when I do it on the bad computer, the "Dataset Ready", and "Clear to
Send" are turned off.  Sorry for long message, but I want to be
thorough.  If anyone has any suggestions, please be sure to CC me via
e-mail in addition to posting to this group.  My news service is sketchy
at best.

jrigler@colorado.edu

Thanks,

Josh Rigler


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In article <36659086.7D934547@colorado.edu>,
Josh Rigler  <jrigler@colorado.edu> wrote:
: I'm trying to use kermit to test a direct (and eventually vi RF) link
: between two PacComm packet controllers, which connect through a standard
: serial port.  On one end, I have a Gateway2000 laptop with Linux.  I can
: communicate with the packet controller beautifully in "local" mode.  On
: the other end I have a Gateway2000 desktop system.  I start up kermit,
: connect to the serial port, then I can't send any keyboard commands to
: the packet controller.  If I use the packet controller's connect command
: from the first computer (laptop), I can send text messages to the
: terminal on the other side, and they pop up on the screen, like they're
: supposed to.  I even tried swapping out the packet controllers, but the
: problem seems to be with the desktop computer, not the controller.
: 
: I know this all sounds a little strange, but the gist of my question is
: this.  What could possible be the difference between the two systems
: that would affect kermit?  The only difference I can find in the two
: kermits is that if I do a "show comm" on the good system, I get this...
: 
: Communications Parameters:
:  Line: /dev/ttyS1, speed: 9600, mode: local, modem: none
:  Terminal bits: 7, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake:
: none
:  Carrier: auto, lockfile: /var/lock/LCK..ttyS1
:  Escape character: 28 (^\)
: 
:  Carrier Detect      (CD):  Off
:  Dataset Ready       (DSR): On
:  Clear To Send       (CTS): On
:  Ring Indicator      (RI):  Off
:  Data Terminal Ready (DTR): On
:  Request To Send     (RTS): On
: 
: but when I do it on the bad computer, the "Dataset Ready", and "Clear to
: Send" are turned off.
>
That would be the difference.  If Clear to Send is off, but RTS/CTS flow
control is selected, Kermit can't send.  Probably the cable you are using
on this system lacks a full set of wires.  You can work around the problem
by telling Kermit to "set flow none", but it's better to have functional
flow control, so check your cable & connectors.

- Frank

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I am transferring files between my home PC using Kermit 95 under
Windows NT and a Solaris 2.5 Unix system using C-Kermit (v 6.0.192).

There are two parts of my script: the first sends all files from home to
the Unix machine that are newer than the file on the Solaris machine,
and the second receives all files on the Solaris machine that are
newer than the version on my home machine.

If a file is sent from home to Solaris in the first part of the
script, in the second part of the script it is invariably sent back. I
have the attributes set to ON and the date and time seem to be set on
the files on both ends correctly. So why does the file come back?
Shouldn't the date and times be the same after the first file
transfer?

Thanks, Adam

P.S. On NT system, all partitions are FAT partitions.

Version info:

C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x
 Numeric: 600192


Kermit 1.1.15, 30 September 1997 
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I'm working on a telnet client called Console Telnet.  I've got most
escape sequences working for a pseudo-vt100 terminal, and I've even got
roughly 80% vttest compliance.  One sequence I haven't implemented is
delete character across multiple lines, since that is rather difficult. 
One would think though, that since most vttest tests work, that vi would
work with TERM=vt100.  But that is not the case.  When I scroll up, vi
sends a sequence similar to the following:

ESC[1;24r ESC[1;1H ESCM ESC1;25r ESC[1;1H blah \n

The spaces aren't really there; I just typed them for readability.  Now
I would think that this would mean set scrolling from 1 to 24, then go
to the top of the scrolling region (or is that the top of the screen?),
perform a reverse index, reset the scrolling region to the entire
screen, return to the top of the scrolling region again, and then print
the new line.

ESCI does a reverse line feed; is that the same as reverse index?  Is
reverse index supposed to honor scroll regions?  How is line 25 supposed
to get changed with this crazy sequence?

I tried investigating Linux source, since that is a fairly decent
terminal emulation, and it appears to set the scroll region with CSI
P0;P1 r from P0-1 to P1.  I've been implementing it as P0-1 to P1-1. 
When I try using P0-1 to P1, I get strange results when scrolling up. 
The sequences sent by vi for scrolling up look like:

ESC[1;24r ESC[24;1H \n ESC[1;25r ESC[24;1H blah \n

I look at this and think that if it is correct to go P0-1 to P1, then
the only way to get scrolling down to work properly is to change the
operation of the line feed.  Is a line feed at the beginning of a line
supposed to scroll the current line up or leave it alone?

TIA,

Paul Brannan
pbranna@clemson.edu

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I'm sure this can be done, just need to know the proper way to
connect...

We have DEC terminal in an office that is old, and almost useless.
I'd like to use an old  386 laptop (running kermit 3.14) I have in
place of this terminal.  I'm assuming I can simply run some sort of
cable out the back of the laptop through the built in serial port (9
pin)  and into the wall where the original terminal is connected.  I
think the DEC terminal connects using an RJ-45 connector (or whatever
that connector that looks like a telephone jack is called).  There is
no way to dial into the server at work.  It either connects the same
way the dumb terminal did or not at all.

So...

(1) can this be done

(2) what kind of connector and cable do I need to go from the 9 pin
serial port on the back of the laptop to the wall 

-and-

(3) is there anything that could seriously get in the way of this
working that could take so much time to resolve it ultimately isn't
worth the effort?

I have the Using MS-Dos Kermit book so referrals to it are fine.

thanks in advance,
jeff

thanks in advance,
jeff


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In article <74524j$47q$1@tepe.tezcat.com>,
jeff canar m.a. <canar.jeff@hines.va.gov> wrote:
: I'm sure this can be done, just need to know the proper way to
: connect...
: 
: We have DEC terminal in an office that is old, and almost useless.
: I'd like to use an old  386 laptop (running kermit 3.14) I have in
: place of this terminal.  I'm assuming I can simply run some sort of
: cable out the back of the laptop through the built in serial port (9
: pin)  and into the wall where the original terminal is connected.  I
: think the DEC terminal connects using an RJ-45 connector (or whatever
: that connector that looks like a telephone jack is called).  There is
: no way to dial into the server at work.  It either connects the same
: way the dumb terminal did or not at all.
: 
: So...
: 
: (1) can this be done
: 
Yes.

: (2) what kind of connector and cable do I need to go from the 9 pin
: serial port on the back of the laptop to the wall 
: 
That's the question of the week.

: (3) is there anything that could seriously get in the way of this
: working that could take so much time to resolve it ultimately isn't
: worth the effort?
: 
Just getting the cable.

As you probably know, DEC divested itself of its terminal business many
years ago, and then DEC itself was sold to Compaq.  Sources for DEC
terminal-related items are not obvious.  The cable you need, however, is
the DB9 to MMJ variety, DEC part number H8585-AA.

You can probably order it from one of the cable-and-connector supply houses
such as AMP or Anixter, if they have not been bought up and dismantled.

- Frank

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In article <7453lv$4ot$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
Adam H. Lewenberg <adam@orion.math.uiuc.edu> wrote:
: I am transferring files between my home PC using Kermit 95 under
: Windows NT and a Solaris 2.5 Unix system using C-Kermit (v 6.0.192).
: 
: There are two parts of my script: the first sends all files from home to
: the Unix machine that are newer than the file on the Solaris machine,
: and the second receives all files on the Solaris machine that are
: newer than the version on my home machine.
: 
What method are you using to do this?  SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE?

: If a file is sent from home to Solaris in the first part of the
: script, in the second part of the script it is invariably sent back.
: I have the attributes set to ON and the date and time seem to be set
: on the files on both ends correctly.
:
Can you give an example?

: So why does the file come back?
: Shouldn't the date and times be the same after the first file
: transfer?
: 
Yes, they should.

: P.S. On NT system, all partitions are FAT partitions.
: 
: Version info:
: 
: C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x
:  Numeric: 600192
: 
: Kermit 1.1.15, 30 September 1997 
: 
The current version is 1.1.17; recommend you patch up to it:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html

Testing this locally reveals nothing obviously wrong.  File foo.bar on
Windows is sent to C-Kermit on UNIX.  "dir" and "ls -l" show identical
timestamps on the two ends (of course neither of these reports the
seconds, which can matter).  Telling K95 to "set file collision
update" and sending "get foo.bar" to the UNIX C-Kermit server results
in "Refused: date", as it should.

- Frank

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> Erkki Eerola wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank da Cruz [mailto:fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu]
> > > >What application do you have that does not use any of Kermit 95's
> > > >built-in character sets?
> > >
> > > I need a character set which has the scandinavian characters 
> > > and the same time the "backspace"-character "^".
> 
> That was a typing error, Erkki meant "up-arrow"
> 
> > What is the code of this character, and what do you expect it to do when it
> > is sent to the terminal screen?
> 
> Up-arrow is decimal 94 and we would like to have it coming from key scancode
> \954 (the key below backspace, left of return. On finnish keyboard it has 
> up-arrow, umlaut and tilde stamped on top of it). Old kermit produced up-
> arrow from that key by pressing shift-^-space, like MSDOS/Winxx pc's usually
> do. Win95-kermit beeps and a "?" appears.
> 
> I tried "set terminal character-set german" and then "^" worked fine (only
> the swedish circumlex-a was missing). In Finland we need that character too.
> 
> If we put character code \94 "^" to whatever key, result is same, in finnish
> character set it always comes out with a beep and "?". To me it seems that
> kermit-95 doesn't know what to do with character 94 in finnish character set.
> 
> In good old times it was handled just like in us-ascii, with no conversion.
> 
> 	greetings,
> 			Esa Aarnio, host/netmaster@utu.fi
> 
> ps. Thank you for kermit, it has been a great terminal emulator and it is
> still used a lot here !
> 
Thanks for saying so.

The situation with the 7-bit Finnish character set is somewhat confusing.

First of all, let us note that, in the ISO International Register of Coded
Characters Sets, there is a set called "NATS, Primary Set for Finland and
Sweden" (accompanied by a secondary set), ISO Registration Numbers 8-1 and
8-2, from the Scandinavian Newspaper Technical Cooperation Council.

These are the only 7-bit character sets for Finnish listed in the Registry.
These are not general-purpose character sets; they are only for use by
newspapers, and Kermit does not support them (nor has anybody ever suggested
that Kermit should support them).  They contain such characters as "Unit
Space A", "Unit Space B", "Solid" (slug), and "Short Dash", in place of the
letters and punctuation that most users prefer to have.

The 7-bit character-set that most people think of when they say "Finnish",
and the on used by all versions of Kermit when told to "set terminal (or
file) character-set finnish", is the Finnish National Replacement
Character-Set (NRC) used by the DEC VT220 and later terminals, which is
listed in the manuals for these terminals, and in "Using C-Kermit", 2nd
Edition, page 559.  In this set, the character in Column 5 / Row 14 (decimal
94) is Capital Letter U with Diaeresis (Umlaut).

When you say "up-arrow", you mean circumflex, right?  This is, indeed, the
character that is replaced by U-Diaeresis in this character-set.

Of course, this is the disadvantage of 7-bit national replacement character
sets: they replace characters from ASCII such as brackets, braces,
backslash, vertical bar, and sometimes also number-sign, at-sign,
circumflex, underscore, and accent grave, and sometimes people do not like
to give up certain of these characters, as in your case, the circumflex.

This is why the 8-bit ISO Latin Alphabets were developed.  (Of course these
have limitations of their own, and that is why Unicode and ISO 10646 were
developed).

When Kermit 95 was released, some people were upset that it did not include
the "set translate input" feature from MS-DOS Kermit.  This was a deliberate
decision, since Kermit 95 fully implements ISO 2022 character-set
designation and invocation, which allows many character sets to be used on
the same screen.  Since the host can switch the terminal among four (or more
character sets) on a per-character basis, the "set translate input" command
(which assumes there is only *one* character set) has no meaning in this
context.

The real problem is that MS-DOS Kermit's "set translate input" command
enabled (and encouraged) the creation of new, ad-hoc, nonstandard character
sets, to be used in lieu of standard character sets and proper ISO 2022
rules, e.g. for mixing accented letters and box-drawing characters.  This is
why it was such a bad mistake, and why it is so important not to repeat it.

MS-DOS Kermit and Kermit 95 both support a wide range of standard (and
corporate) terminal character sets that are also supported by real
terminals, plus the standards to mix them on the same screen.

It appears to me that your application is using a nonstandard character set,
and should be modified to use the regular Finnish NRC or, better, an 8-bit
ISO Latin Alphabet, in which you do not have to choose between accented
letters and brackets, braces, and circumflex.

However, it is possible that there is some Finnish or corporate standard I
do not know about, which defines the character set you are using.  In that
case, please let me know what it is.

- Frank

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In article <741jug$bi2$1@news.ccit.arizona.edu>,
  dsew@packrat.aml.arizona.edu (David Sewell) wrote:
> In article <u9d86cx87b.fsf@wcl-l.bham.ac.uk>,
> Brian McCauley  <B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk> wrote:
> >In the Linux terminal emmulation the escape sequnce Esc[27m does not
> >function correctly.  This is extreemly annoying in emacs.
> >
> >To reproduce do the following in a K-95 terminal and also on a genuine
> >Linux console.
> >
> >echo '\e[7mfoo\e[27bar'
> >
> >K-95 version 1.1.17
>
> Are you sure you're giving the proper command?

No, I'm sure I'm not.   FdC for reasons I don't fully understand chose to
respond to 3 of my unrelated K95 bug reports in a single message. The posting
where I pointed out my typo myself ended up in another thread.

> in a K-95 session, logged onto my Linux machine, it gives me
> reverse-video "foo" and normal "bar". In other words it seems to
> work fine.

I am reporting a bug in the "linux" terminal emmulation.  What terminal
emmulation are you using?  I know, for example, the vt320 one does not have
this bug.

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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

> You can probably order it from one of the cable-and-connector supply houses
> such as AMP or Anixter, if they have not been bought up and dismantled.

And people wonder why something like the IEEE's _Annals of the
History of Computing_ are necessary.

- David, who still has a drawer of gender-benders and null-modems

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In comp.terminals Paul Brannan <pbranna@clemson.edu> wrote:
> I'm working on a telnet client called Console Telnet.  I've got most
> escape sequences working for a pseudo-vt100 terminal, and I've even got
> roughly 80% vttest compliance.  One sequence I haven't implemented is
> delete character across multiple lines, since that is rather difficult. 

vt100 doesn't do that (so it would be rather difficult) - unless you're
referring to the variants of ED (erase display).

> One would think though, that since most vttest tests work, that vi would
> work with TERM=vt100.  But that is not the case.  When I scroll up, vi
> sends a sequence similar to the following:

> ESC[1;24r ESC[1;1H ESCM ESC1;25r ESC[1;1H blah \n

> The spaces aren't really there; I just typed them for readability.  Now
> I would think that this would mean set scrolling from 1 to 24, then go
> to the top of the scrolling region (or is that the top of the screen?),
> perform a reverse index, reset the scrolling region to the entire
> screen, return to the top of the scrolling region again, and then print
> the new line.

> ESCI does a reverse line feed; is that the same as reverse index?  Is

<ESC>M is reverse index - I don't see <ESC>I here.

> reverse index supposed to honor scroll regions?  How is line 25 supposed
> to get changed with this crazy sequence?

> I tried investigating Linux source, since that is a fairly decent
> terminal emulation, and it appears to set the scroll region with CSI

Actually it's a little limited - doesn't do _that_ well with vttest.
xterm is much better (I didn't encounter emulation problems with the
vt100 level - bugs aside - when adding vt220 controls).

> P0;P1 r from P0-1 to P1.  I've been implementing it as P0-1 to P1-1. 
> When I try using P0-1 to P1, I get strange results when scrolling up. 
> The sequences sent by vi for scrolling up look like:

> ESC[1;24r ESC[24;1H \n ESC[1;25r ESC[24;1H blah \n

> I look at this and think that if it is correct to go P0-1 to P1, then
> the only way to get scrolling down to work properly is to change the
> operation of the line feed.  Is a line feed at the beginning of a line
> supposed to scroll the current line up or leave it alone?

if it's at the end of the scrolling region - right.

> TIA,

> Paul Brannan
> pbranna@clemson.edu

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jeff canar m.a. (canar.jeff@hines.va.gov) wrote:

: We have DEC terminal in an office that is old, and almost useless.
: I'd like to use an old  386 laptop (running kermit 3.14) I have in
: place of this terminal.  I'm assuming I can simply run some sort of
: cable out the back of the laptop through the built in serial port (9
: pin)  and into the wall where the original terminal is connected.  I
: think the DEC terminal connects using an RJ-45 connector (or whatever
: that connector that looks like a telephone jack is called).  There is

Yup.  I've got one of those at work.
My DEC terminal was okay, but the accompanying serial printer died, so I
substituted a PC running Kermit 3.15, and a parallel printer.
I had to make up a cable for the RJ-45 to PC, and I can check the pinout
Monday, if you remind me, but it will work just fine.

My only problem is that since I slaved the printer, via "log session
lpt1:", if the printer runs out of paper, the terminal stops, but I've made
notes on how to turn off the "slave", so that doesn't bother anyone.

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What a work of art!

I needed another copy of K95 at work, so I hopped online to
http:/www.columbia.edu/kermit and ordered the CD-version.

The installation was beautiful.  It was a combination of installation
"wizard" that is common today, already knowing things about my system, but
showed options where there were optional entries.

That was the most informative, intuitive, easy, flexible... installation
I've done yet.

Some programs offer "default" or "custom", with no clue what "default"
might be... K95 was a little wordy, but it was good.

I think I'll order a few more...
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Thanks Fred,

Our system has been upgraded so this sounds like it might be the problem.
The aix box is our primary application server so I am sort of squeamish
about fiddling with it or loading any additional programs on it. We have a
Linux box which is linked via NFS to the aix box so I'd like  to get kermit
for the Linux box and send the file from there. Problem is the Linux box has
no access to a phone line. So.... my plan was to run kermit on the Linux box
using the modem on the aix box (/dev/tty2).  Can kermit be configured to do
this?

Again Thanks for your reply.

gihayes@bellsouth.net
http://personal.msy.bellsouth.net/~hcs

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>Gregory I. Hayes (gihayes@bellsouth.net) wrote:
>: I am using kermit on an aix box and can get it to dial out connect to
>: another machine. but when I use the connect command. I get the following:
>
><snip>
>: C-Kermit>connect
>: Connecting thru /dev/tty2, speed 9600.
>: The escape character is CTRL-\ (28).
>: Type the escape character followed by C to get back,
>: or followed by ? to see other options.
>: Sorry, Can't condition communication line
>: C-Kermit>
>
>I get EXACTLY this message under the following circumstances:
> when running a kermit compiled on AIX 3.2 on a machine running
> AIX 4.1 or 4.2.
>
>you may need to recompile, or make sure you pick up the correct
>binary from Columbia University.
>
>Fred
>--
>---- Fred Smith --
fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us -----------------------------
>                    The Lord detests the way of the wicked
>                  but he loves those who pursue righteousness.
>----------------------------- Proverbs 15:9
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I have scripts that log onto secure systems that began as generated scripts
from the K95 Dialer.  The passwords in these generated files are encrypted.
I now have to right multiple scripts, and would like to bypass the step of
going into the dialer to generate basic scripts, especially since I am
copying from older scripts that already work for the types of systems I am
connecting to.  Is there some algorithm I can use to encrypt my passwords?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Bob Mergner



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In article <741elm$s09$1@ux2.accesscom.net>,
Gregory I. Hayes <gihayes@bellsouth.net> wrote:
: Our system has been upgraded so this sounds like it might be the problem.
:
Right.  The AIX 3.x version of Kermit does not work on AIX 5.x.  Of course,
the AIX 4.1 version does work on AIX 4.1 and later.

: The aix box is our primary application server so I am sort of squeamish
: about fiddling with it or loading any additional programs on it.
:
There is no point in keepint AIX 3.x Kermit on it, because it doesn't work.

: We have a
: Linux box which is linked via NFS to the aix box so I'd like  to get kermit
: for the Linux box and send the file from there. Problem is the Linux box has
: no access to a phone line. So.... my plan was to run kermit on the Linux box
: using the modem on the aix box (/dev/tty2).  Can kermit be configured to do
: this?
: 
You mean, can AIX be configured to let Linux use its serial devices?  I doubt
it.  The real solution is to install the appropriate version of Kermit on
each machine where you need it.

- Frank

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From: Darren Harvey <dharvey@vega.co.uk>
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Subject: File transfer using a parallel port
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I'm trying to transfer some large files (10Mb), on a regular basis,
between two machines.  I would like to transfer the files using the
parallel port.  One machine will be DOS, the other running NT (4).

Can I use Kermit to sent the files between the machines.  ie set port
lpt1 doesn't work - can I set up com3 to be the parallel printer port?
Any ideas or other suggestions would be much welcomed?????

Thanks,

Darren.

PS I currently have Kermit v 3.15


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In article <366BE49C.F62C11EB@vega.co.uk>,
Darren Harvey  <dharvey@vega.co.uk> wrote:
: I'm trying to transfer some large files (10Mb), on a regular basis,
: between two machines.  I would like to transfer the files using the
: parallel port.  One machine will be DOS, the other running NT (4).
: 
: Can I use Kermit to sent the files between the machines.  ie set port
: lpt1 doesn't work - can I set up com3 to be the parallel printer port?
: Any ideas or other suggestions would be much welcomed?????
: 
Neither Kermit 95 nor MS-DOS Kermit include any explicit support for
parallel ports.  The only way to do this with Kermit would be to find
drivers that make parallel ports look to the software like serial ports.
I would not be surprised if such drivers exist, but I don't know of any
concrete examples.

In the meantime, you should be able to use the serial ports -- assuming
they have buffered UARTs -- at speeds of 57600 or 115200 bps with hardware
flow control.  At 115200 bps, 10MB should take 858 seconds, or 14.3 minutes,
to transfer with fast protocol settings.  Less if the data is not
precompressed.

- Frank

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In article <74h1ne$p4q$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <366BE49C.F62C11EB@vega.co.uk>,
: Darren Harvey  <dharvey@vega.co.uk> wrote:
: : I'm trying to transfer some large files (10Mb), on a regular basis,
: : between two machines.  I would like to transfer the files using the
: : parallel port.  One machine will be DOS, the other running NT (4).
: : 
: : Can I use Kermit to sent the files between the machines.  ie set port
: : lpt1 doesn't work - can I set up com3 to be the parallel printer port?
: : Any ideas or other suggestions would be much welcomed?????
: : 
: Neither Kermit 95 nor MS-DOS Kermit include any explicit support for
: parallel ports.  The only way to do this with Kermit would be to find
: drivers that make parallel ports look to the software like serial ports.
: I would not be surprised if such drivers exist, but I don't know of any
: concrete examples.
: 
: In the meantime, you should be able to use the serial ports -- assuming
: they have buffered UARTs -- at speeds of 57600 or 115200 bps with hardware
: flow control.  At 115200 bps, 10MB should take 858 seconds, or 14.3 minutes,
: to transfer with fast protocol settings.  Less if the data is not
: precompressed.
: 
: - Frank


Kermit 95 may use parallel ports on Windows 95 and Windows 98 because
the operating system treats parallel ports as a special form of serial
port at the device driver level.  Kermit 95 cannot access parallel ports
on Windows NT because the operating system treats them separately from
serial ports.

Windows 2000 is rumored to contain parallel port drivers that look
like serial ports.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Just be sure you get the right kind of cable.  I may be wrong but I think
most DEC terminals used a "crossover"  type cable and the PC may need a
"straight thru" type cable.

This can drive you crazy sometimes as your cable will test out fine but will
not work, if it is the wrong type.

Dennis

jeff canar m.a. wrote in message <74524j$47q$1@tepe.tezcat.com>...
>I'm sure this can be done, just need to know the proper way to
>connect...
>
>We have DEC terminal in an office that is old, and almost useless.
>I'd like to use an old  386 laptop (running kermit 3.14) I have in
>place of this terminal.  I'm assuming I can simply run some sort of
>cable out the back of the laptop through the built in serial port (9
>pin)  and into the wall where the original terminal is connected.  I
>think the DEC terminal connects using an RJ-45 connector (or whatever
>that connector that looks like a telephone jack is called).  There is
>no way to dial into the server at work.  It either connects the same
>way the dumb terminal did or not at all.
>
>So...
>
>(1) can this be done
>
>(2) what kind of connector and cable do I need to go from the 9 pin
>serial port on the back of the laptop to the wall
>
>-and-
>
>(3) is there anything that could seriously get in the way of this
>working that could take so much time to resolve it ultimately isn't
>worth the effort?
>
>I have the Using MS-Dos Kermit book so referrals to it are fine.
>
>thanks in advance,
>jeff
>
>thanks in advance,
>jeff
>



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In article <74hpg8$4bo$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Den <dirvine@psln.com> wrote:
: Just be sure you get the right kind of cable.  I may be wrong but I think
: most DEC terminals used a "crossover"  type cable and the PC may need a
: "straight thru" type cable.
: 
It's worse than than.  Like I said in my original response, you need a
specific kind of cable, with PC-style (not Mac style) DB-9 on one end and MMJ
(DEC special asymmetric RJ-45) on the other, DEC part number H8585-AA.  It
works with a PC -- that's what it's for.

- Frank

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In article <73pop0$8ct$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Dennis <dirvine@psln.com> wrote:
: There are certain programs on the Alpha, which when run causes the Alpha to
: switch to vt100 mode.  Kermit however stays in VT320 mode. When I exit the
: Alpha programs and get to a VMS prompt and then do a "show term" it shows
: the Alpha in VT100 mode.  But my status window in k95 on my pc shows VT320.
: When this happens the PF3 keys don't work.
: 

When the host tells K95 to switch to VT100 mode, K95 switches to VT100
mode.  That means that the keyboard map changes to the VT100 keyboard map.
If you have redefined where the PF1 to PF4 keys are located on the keyboard
you need to redefine them for each of the terminal emulations that you
are going to use.  However, K95 should be switching to VT102 mode and 
not VT100.

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In article <366BE49C.F62C11EB@vega.co.uk>,
Darren Harvey <dharvey@vega.co.uk> wrote:

>I'm trying to transfer some large files (10Mb), on a regular basis,
>between two machines.  I would like to transfer the files using the
>parallel port.  One machine will be DOS, the other running NT (4).

    If you can get INTERSVR to run under NT, you can set up your DOS
    machine (if it's DOS 6.x) to install INTERLNK from CONFIG.SYS, and
    set both to use the parallel ports.  I've found transfers by this
    means to be fast and reliable, and have the added advantage of being
    transparent, because the machine running INTERLNK assigns DOS drive
    letters to the other machine.  The instructions in DOS help should
    be sufficient to enable you to set it up (again, assuming that
    there's a way to get INTERSVR to run under NT).

    HTH,

-- 
jhurwit@netcom.com                                       Jeffrey Hurwit
         "Sometimes, I just can't help myself!"  --Babs Bunny

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In K-95 1.1.17 if I strike a key bound to \Kdos while in scrollback
then when I return from DOS the window caption says "[Scrollback]
[Scrollback]"

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I just tried out the 6.0 image, and it's not letting me provide
parameters like I used to:

$ mcr ckermit =param1 param2
my script ...
...
$

used to work fine on 5A(190), but 6.0(192) tells me "?No files match -
=param1".
I put a redundant switch on (-m hayes), but the "m" was then found as
the first parameter by my script.
Is there a better way to pass in values, or am I reading them wrong, or
what ?

Thanks, Chris Sharman

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In article <366D2E6A.29BAB524@CCAgroup.co.uk>,
Chris Sharman  <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> wrote:
: I just tried out the 6.0 image, and it's not letting me provide
: parameters like I used to:
: 
: $ mcr ckermit =param1 param2
: my script ...
: ...
: $
: 
: used to work fine on 5A(190), but 6.0(192) tells me "?No files match -
: =param1".  I put a redundant switch on (-m hayes), but the "m" was
: then found as the first parameter by my script.  Is there a better way
: to pass in values, or am I reading them wrong, or what ?
: 
It's a bug in 6.1.  It will be fixed in the next test version, to be
announced soon.

But not that in any case, you need space both before and after the "="
if you intend it to be the parameter separator.  Also (refer to earlier
thread on this topic), this form, though still supported, is
"deprecated" in favor of the getopt()-style "--", as in:

  kermit filename -x -x -x -- p1 p2 p3

where the -x's are Kermit options, and the pn's are paramaters for the
script "filename". 

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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I'm getting ready to announce C-Kermit 7.0 for public testing.
Unfortunately I don't have access to *any* AIX systems at the moment,
and so have not had a chance to build it or pretest it on AIX 3.1,
3.2, 3.2.5, 4.1, 4.2, or 4.3.  (Or other 1.x or 2.x AIX versions on
PS/2, mainframe, etc.)

Anybody who would like to help out, please send me e-mail.

Thanks.

- Frank

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VMS doesn't seem to care whether there's space around the '=', although
if there isn't I have to use \fsubstr(\&@[1],2) to strip the = off the
first parameter.
It won't accept either -- or = unless there's other switches or a
cmdfile preceding, as 5A used to.
It complains about '--' when it gets around to processing it as well.
What is getopt ? is it some sort of Unix thing ? (the only earlier
thread I found seemed to suggest it might be)
I just want to invoke kermit to use an embedded script in batch mode,
and pass in a couple of parameters.
No filename, no switches, just parameters.

Frank da Cruz wrote:
> 
> In article <366D2E6A.29BAB524@CCAgroup.co.uk>,
> Chris Sharman  <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> wrote:
> : I just tried out the 6.0 image, and it's not letting me provide
> : parameters like I used to:
> :
> : $ mcr ckermit =param1 param2
> : my script ...
> : ...
> : $
> :
> : used to work fine on 5A(190), but 6.0(192) tells me "?No files match -
> : =param1".  I put a redundant switch on (-m hayes), but the "m" was
> : then found as the first parameter by my script.  Is there a better way
> : to pass in values, or am I reading them wrong, or what ?
> :
> It's a bug in 6.1.  It will be fixed in the next test version, to be
> announced soon.
> 
> But not that in any case, you need space both before and after the "="
> if you intend it to be the parameter separator.  Also (refer to earlier
> thread on this topic), this form, though still supported, is
> "deprecated" in favor of the getopt()-style "--", as in:
> 
>   kermit filename -x -x -x -- p1 p2 p3
> 
> where the -x's are Kermit options, and the pn's are paramaters for the
> script "filename".
> 
> - Frank

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In article <366D4CDF.6603B5C4@CCAgroup.co.uk>,
Chris Sharman  <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> wrote:
: VMS doesn't seem to care whether there's space around the '=', although
: if there isn't I have to use \fsubstr(\&@[1],2) to strip the = off the
: first parameter.
:
OK, I'll check this.

: It won't accept either -- or = unless there's other switches or a
: cmdfile preceding, as 5A used to.
:
I'll check this too, thanks for pointing it out.

: It complains about '--' when it gets around to processing it as well.
:
It's not in 6.1, sorry; I meant to say, it will be in the next test
version.  We'll be skipping past 6.1 and going straight to 7.0.

: What is getopt ? is it some sort of Unix thing ? (the only earlier
: thread I found seemed to suggest it might be)
:
It's a "command-line-option standard" modification.  The foo -x -y -z
style command line is generally a UNIX thing, but not necessarily.

: I just want to invoke kermit to use an embedded script in batch mode,
: and pass in a couple of parameters.
: No filename, no switches, just parameters.
: 
Watch this space for the 7.0 test announcement.

- Frank

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Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
> In article <74524j$47q$1@tepe.tezcat.com>,
> jeff canar m.a. <canar.jeff@hines.va.gov> wrote:
> : I'm sure this can be done, just need to know the proper way to
> : connect...
> : 
> : We have DEC terminal in an office that is old, and almost useless.
> : I'd like to use an old  386 laptop (running kermit 3.14) I have in
> : place of this terminal.  I'm assuming I can simply run some sort of
> : cable out the back of the laptop through the built in serial port (9
> : pin)  and into the wall where the original terminal is connected.  I
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If this is actually a jack in the wall, then there could be other
devices that are sitting between the wall jack and whatever system you
are trying to connect to.  The wall jack could be MMJ, or it might not
be.  Also, the wall jack could be 8 pin, or less.  Someone could have
made a custom cable for the connection between the wall jack and your
old DEC terminal.  

> : think the DEC terminal connects using an RJ-45 connector (or whatever

Is this "RJ-45" like connector on the DEC terminal, or does the DEC
terminal have a DB-25 or DB-9 connector?  In other words, what kind of
connectors are on both sides of the cable that currently plugs the DEC
terminal into the wall jack?  If the DEC terminal has a DB-25 or DB-9,
then it might be easier to use that old cable plugged into the wall
jack, and make a new extension cable that adapts the old cable to the PC
DB-9 connection.

> : that connector that looks like a telephone jack is called).  There is
> : no way to dial into the server at work.  It either connects the same
> : way the dumb terminal did or not at all.
> : 

> : (2) what kind of connector and cable do I need to go from the 9 pin
> : serial port on the back of the laptop to the wall 
> : 
> That's the question of the week.

> : (3) is there anything that could seriously get in the way of this
> : working that could take so much time to resolve it ultimately isn't
> : worth the effort?
> : 
> Just getting the cable.

> As you probably know, DEC divested itself of its terminal business many
> years ago, and then DEC itself was sold to Compaq.  Sources for DEC
> terminal-related items are not obvious.  The cable you need, however, is
> the DB9 to MMJ variety, DEC part number H8585-AA.

It depends on what the wall jack is connected to on the other side
of the wall.  If you are lucky, then it will be something like a DEC
terminal server, all of the wires between the terminal server and the
wall jack are straight thru, and the wall jack is an 8 pin MMJ.  In
that case, the H8585-AA will work fine.  If you are not lucky, then it
could be connected to an AT&T ISN, or some other kind of data switch
with it's own custom pinouts.  Then, making an extension cable could
be the simplest thing to do.  You should contact the administrator of
the system that the DEC terminal connects to and ask them if they know
the details about the equipment that makes that connection to them.
There may also be a data communications department that manages the
connections between your DEC terminal and the remote system.

-- 
Roger J. Allen                Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center
System Administrator                                   Chicago,  IL   USA
Surgical Information Systems                       Voice:  (312)-942-4825
Internet: rja@sis.rpslmc.edu                         FAX:  (312)-733-6921

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hi

i tried to install c-kermit 6.1.193 Beta.05 on sun sparc solaris 2.5.1 
the reason is binary file transfer over serial line with xmodem protocol. 
this is the only available protocol on the other site.

i tried -DXYZ_INTERNAL, but i got errors on linking step. see below.
this seems to be a bug.
so i tried with external programms rx and sx 
receiving files worked now. but not transmitting. i did 
a truss -t exec and i can see, that kermit forkes, if i try to 
receive a file, but nothing happens, if keying in the transmit command.
a second bug ? 

any ideas how solve this problem ? 


gcc -g -O -Usun -DSVR4 -DSOLARIS -DSTERMIOX -DSELECT -DCK_CURSES 
-DCK_NEWTERM -DDIRENT -DHDBUUCP -DDYNAMIC -DNOSETBUF -DCK_XYZ 
-DXYZ_INTERNAL -DKANJI -DPOSIX -DSOLARIS25 -DCK_WREFRESH  -c  ckusig.c
gcc  -o wermit ckcmai.o ckutio.o \
	ckufio.o ckcfns.o ckcfn2.o ckcfn3.o \
	ckuxla.o ckcpro.o ckucmd.o ckuus2.o \
	ckuus3.o ckuus4.o ckuus5.o ckuus6.o \
	ckuus7.o ckuusx.o ckuusy.o ckuusr.o \
	ckucon.o ckudia.o ckuscr.o ckcnet.o \
	ckusig.o -ltermlib -lsocket -lnsl
Undefined			first referenced
 symbol  			    in file
pxyz                                ckcpro.o
p_avail                             ckcfn2.o
ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to wermit
*** Error code 1



:root> truss -t exec -f -p 9938
9938:	    Received signal #20, SIGWINCH, in read() [default]
9938:	    Received signal #20, SIGWINCH, in read() [default]
9938:	    Received signal #20, SIGWINCH, in read() [default]
9947:	execve("/bin/sh", 0xEFFFF3F8, 0xEFFFFB9C)  argc = 3
9949:	execve("/usr/bin/rx", 0x00038B28, 0x00038C30)  argc = 2
9938:	    Received signal #20, SIGWINCH, in wait() [default]
9945:	    Received signal #20, SIGWINCH, in waitid() [default]
9949:	    Received signal #20, SIGWINCH, in read() [default]
and so on ......


 
-- 
best regards from vienna           |   mayer (at) unisys.co.at_SPAM
hans                               |   mayer (at) relay.bfl.at_SPAM


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In article <913198664.933802@scarlatti>,
hans mayer  <mayer1b@unisys.co.at> wrote:
: i tried to install c-kermit 6.1.193 Beta.05 on sun sparc solaris 2.5.1 
: the reason is binary file transfer over serial line with xmodem protocol. 
: this is the only available protocol on the other site.
: 
: i tried -DXYZ_INTERNAL, but i got errors on linking step. see below.
: this seems to be a bug.
:
It's not a bug.  XYZ_INTERNAL is not documented or advertised anywhere as
doing anything.  You have to use external rx/sx programs.

: so i tried with external programms rx and sx 
: receiving files worked now. but not transmitting. i did 
: a truss -t exec and i can see, that kermit forkes, if i try to 
: receive a file, but nothing happens, if keying in the transmit command.
: a second bug ? 
: 
No.  First of all, you must ensure you have rx and sx programs that use
stdio, so they can be redirected over the SET LINE or SET HOST device.

Second, XMODEM is not a robust protocol.  It demands a 100% 8-bit transparent
connection, and you probably don't have one.  To cite one example: it is
incompatible with Xon/Xoff flow control.  It probably also will not work over
a Telnet connection, through a terminal server, etc, because of transparency
issues.

- Frank

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Kermit communications software is used for serial and network connections,
terminal connection, file transfer, and scripting on a wide variety of
platforms.  C-Kermit is a Kermit software program written in C, decomposed
into system-dependent and -independent modules.  Porting generally involves
copying a set of previously existing system-dependent modules and adapting
them to the new system.  C-Kermit has already been adapted to UNIX (all
versions), VMS, AOS/VS. VOS, and other platforms including two RTOS's: QNX
and OS-9.

>From time to time we get requests for C-Kermit for VxWorks, but have no
access to VxWorks platforms or development tools.

Would any readers care to take a shot at porting C-Kermit to VxWorks?

If so, send me email.

Thanks!

Frank da Cruz
The Kermit Project
Columbia University
fdc@columbia.edu

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hi frank ! 

thanks for fast reply 

In article <74m2tu$km8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <913198664.933802@scarlatti>,
>hans mayer  <mayer1b@unisys.co.at> wrote:
>
>: so i tried with external programms rx and sx 
>: receiving files worked now. but not transmitting. i did 
>: a truss -t exec and i can see, that kermit forkes, if i try to 
>: receive a file, but nothing happens, if keying in the transmit command.
>: a second bug ? 
>: 
>No.  First of all, you must ensure you have rx and sx programs that use
>stdio, so they can be redirected over the SET LINE or SET HOST device.

of course. receiving worked. but not transmitting. i did check, 
kermit didn't even try to start an external program.
see the truss-output of my first mail. 
why did kermit execute an externel prog at receiving commando
and not at transmitting commando ?? 

are there any recommanded external programs rx and sx for 
sun solaris 2.5.1 ? 
i did try first steps with crz from omen technology. are there 
any other better one. maybe pd, as i know the one from omen is not pd.

 
-- 
best regards from vienna           |   mayer (at) unisys.co.at_SPAM
hans                               |   mayer (at) relay.bfl.at_SPAM


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In article <913280526.237271@scarlatti>,
hans mayer  <mayer1b@unisys.co.at> wrote:
: hi frank ! 
: 
: thanks for fast reply 
: 
: In article <74m2tu$km8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: >In article <913198664.933802@scarlatti>,
: >hans mayer  <mayer1b@unisys.co.at> wrote:
: >
: >: so i tried with external programms rx and sx 
: >: receiving files worked now. but not transmitting. i did 
: >: a truss -t exec and i can see, that kermit forkes, if i try to 
: >: receive a file, but nothing happens, if keying in the transmit command.
: >: a second bug ? 
: >: 
: >No.  First of all, you must ensure you have rx and sx programs that use
: >stdio, so they can be redirected over the SET LINE or SET HOST device.
: 
: of course. receiving worked. but not transmitting. i did check, 
: kermit didn't even try to start an external program.
: see the truss-output of my first mail. 
: why did kermit execute an externel prog at receiving commando
: and not at transmitting commando ?? 
: 
After "set protocol xmodem", any "receive" command requires that you
include a filename, since xmodem protocol does not send filenames.

- Frank

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We have numerous computer systems that locate on five continents. Their
system time should match the GMT, but they seldom do.

I had to develop interface programs for each different computer to read the
GMT of an external GPS(Global Positioning System) via X25, or to
telnet/rlogin to each of these computers and validate their system time. I
had to maintain different versions of the same program on different
computers. To develop and maintain I/O system program is always terrible,
since each computer and its interface channel behaves differently.

A PC with a GPS (Global Positioning System) on board and Kermit95 solves the
tedious task. The GPS provides the GMT time, a K95 script takes this time
stamp and validates the system time of all other computers.

I schedule this script to run weekly to replace me. Now I maintain only a K95
script instead of zig programs in C, FORTRAN & Assembler, an unmeasurable
benefit ratio.

Dat Nguyen
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hans mayer  wrote...
...
>are there any recommanded external programs rx and sx for 
>sun solaris 2.5.1 ? 

ftp://ftp.cs.pdx.edu/pub/zmodem/rzsz.zip





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I will help you.

I Can Compile on:
    AIX RS/6000 4.3.X, 4.2.X, 3.2.5
    AIX PS/2 1.3

Frank da Cruz wrote in message <74jp1d$fnk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
>
>I'm getting ready to announce C-Kermit 7.0 for public testing.
>Unfortunately I don't have access to *any* AIX systems at the moment,
>and so have not had a chance to build it or pretest it on AIX 3.1,
>3.2, 3.2.5, 4.1, 4.2, or 4.3.  (Or other 1.x or 2.x AIX versions on
>PS/2, mainframe, etc.)
>
>Anybody who would like to help out, please send me e-mail.
>
>Thanks.
>
>- Frank



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Hi there,

I'd like to run C-Kermit  6.1.193 on my Linux machine as a 
background process, but kermit stops logging data after I
started it.


.kermrc
SET LINE /dev/ttyS1
SET FLOW AUTO
SET PARITY none
SET SPEED 9600
SET TERMINAL bytesize 8
CD /home/test/data
LOG session
connect



Any ideas ?

Dirk 


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In article <74gp02$et5$1@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>,
Dirk Bungard <bungard@askdonna.ask.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote:
: Hi there,
: 
: I'd like to run C-Kermit  6.1.193 on my Linux machine as a 
: background process, but kermit stops logging data after I
: started it.
: 
: .kermrc
: SET LINE /dev/ttyS1
: SET FLOW AUTO
: SET PARITY none
: SET SPEED 9600
: SET TERMINAL bytesize 8
: CD /home/test/data
: LOG session
: connect
: 
You can't run programs in the background that need access to the
keyboard and screen.  The CONNECT command needs access to the
keyboard and screen.

Read the UNIX appendix of the manual about running C-Kermit in the
background, and the chapters on script programming about how to use
INPUT and OUTPUT in place of connect for automated sessions.

- Frank

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I would like to use the modem to connect with a operator service and
request them to connect with a specific location. I got this to work when
using one location and now I am trying to expand this to two more
locations. But while the script works instead of one output line i get
all three....is there an endif command?

ask \%l { location (p for poros, m for mim, h for helios): }
set modem intel
set line /dev/ttyf2
set speed 2400
set dial timeout 120
dial 918007352258
;
if equal {\%l} p
   output Poros: This is a 2LVCO call. Please dial 410-516-2926. GA \13
else if equal {\%l} m
   output Mim: This is a 2LVCO call. Please dial 410-516-2927. GA \13
else if equal {\%l} h
   output Helios: This is a 2LVCO call. Please dial 410-516-2928. GA \13
connect


Thanks

Tilak

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Frank,

I wonder if anyone has done a port to the PalmPilot?

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In article <av4p47.fv8.ln@linux.lisse.na>,
Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@linux.lisse.na> wrote:
: Frank,
: 
: I wonder if anyone has done a port to the PalmPilot?
: 

Not yet.  What features would you want that could fit into 64K?

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In article <Pine.SGI.4.05.9812101557050.64066-100000@poros.cis.jhu.edu>,
Tilak Ratnanather  <tilak@cis.jhu.edu> wrote:
: 
: 
: I would like to use the modem to connect with a operator service and
: request them to connect with a specific location. I got this to work when
: using one location and now I am trying to expand this to two more
: locations. But while the script works instead of one output line i get
: all three....is there an endif command?
: 
: ask \%l { location (p for poros, m for mim, h for helios): }
:
You should add some verification here, e.g.:

  while true {
      undef \%l
      while not defined \%l {
	  ask \%l { location (p for poros, m for mim, h for helios): }
      }
      if = \flen(\%l) 1 break
      echo Please type a single letter.
  }

: set modem intel
: set line /dev/ttyf2
: set speed 2400
: set dial timeout 120
: dial 918007352258
:
if fail stop 1 Call was not completed.

: if equal {\%l} p
:    output Poros: This is a 2LVCO call. Please dial 410-516-2926. GA \13
: else if equal {\%l} m
:    output Mim: This is a 2LVCO call. Please dial 410-516-2927. GA \13
: else if equal {\%l} h
:    output Helios: This is a 2LVCO call. Please dial 410-516-2928. GA \13
: connect
: 
You can't break the line after the IF condition.  If it doesn't fit on a
line, use hyphens for line continuation:

  if equal {\%l} p -
     output Poros: This is a 2LVCO call. Please dial 410-516-2926. GA \13
  else if equal {\%l} m -
     output Mim: This is a 2LVCO call. Please dial 410-516-2927. GA \13
  else if equal {\%l} h -
     output Helios: This is a 2LVCO call. Please dial 410-516-2928. GA \13
  connect

A better consruction for this might be:

  undef \%n
  switch \%l {
    :p, def \%n 410-516-2926
    :m, def \%n 410-516-2927
    :l, def \%n 410-516-2928
    :default, stop 1 "\%l": Invalid response
  }
  output Helios: This is a 2LVCO call. Please dial \%n. GA \13
  connect

- Frank

