From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Dec 11 22:40:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29668 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA11677 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:40:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!outfeed1.news.cais.net!vnetnews.value.net!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help with scripting Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:37:54 -0800 Organization: Not Very Much Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3671E512.4303@value.net> References: <74rdgh$l7s$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Mark Sapiro NNTP-Posting-Host: oak123.value.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9632 Frank da Cruz wrote: > ... > A better consruction for this might be: > > undef \%n > switch \%l { > :p, def \%n 410-516-2926 > :m, def \%n 410-516-2927 > :l, def \%n 410-516-2928 > :default, stop 1 "\%l": Invalid response > } Shouldn't there be 'break' statements in the above. i.e. undef \%n switch \%l { :p, def \%n 410-516-2926, break :m, def \%n 410-516-2927, break :l, def \%n 410-516-2928, break :default, stop 1 "\%l": Invalid response } -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Dec 13 11:53:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25203 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13592 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:53:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!EU.net!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!Austria.EU.net!not-for-mail From: mayer1b@unisys.co.at ( hans mayer ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: kermit 6.1.193 Beta.05 no xmodem protocol Date: 13 Dec 1998 16:53:55 GMT Organization: UNISYS Austria Lines: 39 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <913567978.641639@scarlatti> References: <913198664.933802@scarlatti> <74m2tu$km8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <913280526.237271@scarlatti> <74om52$8n9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: mayer1b@unisys.co.at NNTP-Posting-Host: scarlatti.unisys.co.at X-Trace: fleetstreet.Austria.EU.net 913568035 22380 193.83.181.72 (13 Dec 1998 16:53:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@Austria.EU.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Dec 1998 16:53:55 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test60 (5 October 1997) Originator: nobody@relay.bfl.at (uid no body) Cache-Post-Path: scarlatti!unknown@mozart X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9633 comp.unix.solaris:187359 In article <74om52$8n9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <913280526.237271@scarlatti>, >hans mayer wrote: >: hi frank ! >: >: thanks for fast reply >: >: In article <74m2tu$km8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >: Frank da Cruz wrote: >: >In article <913198664.933802@scarlatti>, >: >hans mayer wrote: >: > >: >: so i tried with external programms rx and sx >: >: receiving files worked now. but not transmitting. i did >: >: a truss -t exec and i can see, that kermit forkes, if i try to >: >: receive a file, but nothing happens, if keying in the transmit command. >: >: a second bug ? >: >: >: >No. First of all, you must ensure you have rx and sx programs that use >: >stdio, so they can be redirected over the SET LINE or SET HOST device. >: >: of course. receiving worked. but not transmitting. i did check, >: kermit didn't even try to start an external program. >: see the truss-output of my first mail. >: why did kermit execute an externel prog at receiving commando >: and not at transmitting commando ?? >: >After "set protocol xmodem", any "receive" command requires that you >include a filename, since xmodem protocol does not send filenames. yes, i know. i did give the file-name as argument. receiving worked, but not transmitting. -- best regards from vienna | mayer (at) unisys.co.at_SPAM hans | mayer (at) relay.bfl.at_SPAM From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Dec 13 11:57:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25344 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13840 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:57:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!EU.net!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!Austria.EU.net!not-for-mail From: mayer1b@unisys.co.at ( hans mayer ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: kermit 6.1.193 Beta.05 no xmodem protocol Date: 13 Dec 1998 16:56:53 GMT Organization: UNISYS Austria Lines: 16 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <913568157.59296@scarlatti> References: <913198664.933802@scarlatti> <74m2tu$km8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <913280526.237271@scarlatti> Reply-To: mayer1b@unisys.co.at NNTP-Posting-Host: scarlatti.unisys.co.at X-Trace: fleetstreet.Austria.EU.net 913568213 22380 193.83.181.72 (13 Dec 1998 16:56:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@Austria.EU.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Dec 1998 16:56:53 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test60 (5 October 1997) Originator: nobody@relay.bfl.at (uid no body) Cache-Post-Path: scarlatti!unknown@mozart X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9634 comp.unix.solaris:187360 In article , Mason Ip wrote: >hans mayer wrote... >... >>are there any recommanded external programs rx and sx for >>sun solaris 2.5.1 ? > >ftp://ftp.cs.pdx.edu/pub/zmodem/rzsz.zip thanks, i will check it. -- best regards from vienna | mayer (at) unisys.co.at_SPAM hans | mayer (at) relay.bfl.at_SPAM From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Dec 13 14:42:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13739 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:42:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23218 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:42:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help with scripting Date: 13 Dec 1998 19:42:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7515b6$u1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <74rdgh$l7s$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3671E512.4303@value.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9635 In article <3671E512.4303@value.net>, Mark Sapiro wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > ... : > A better consruction for this might be: : > : > undef \%n : > switch \%l { : > :p, def \%n 410-516-2926 : > :m, def \%n 410-516-2927 : > :l, def \%n 410-516-2928 : > :default, stop 1 "\%l": Invalid response : > } : : Shouldn't there be 'break' statements in the above. : i.e. : undef \%n : switch \%l { : :p, def \%n 410-516-2926, break : :m, def \%n 410-516-2927, break : :l, def \%n 410-516-2928, break : :default, stop 1 "\%l": Invalid response : } : Yes, thanks. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Dec 13 15:40:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26769 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:40:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA26492 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:40:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: kermit 6.1.193 Beta.05 no xmodem protocol Date: 13 Dec 1998 20:40:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <7518ok$2nv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <913198664.933802@scarlatti> <913280526.237271@scarlatti> <74om52$8n9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <913567978.641639@scarlatti> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9636 comp.unix.solaris:187374 In article <913567978.641639@scarlatti>, hans mayer wrote: : In article <74om52$8n9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : Frank da Cruz wrote: : >In article <913280526.237271@scarlatti>, : >hans mayer wrote: : >: In article <74m2tu$km8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : >: Frank da Cruz wrote: : >: >In article <913198664.933802@scarlatti>, : >: >hans mayer wrote: : >: > : >: >: so i tried with external programms rx and sx : >: >: receiving files worked now. but not transmitting. i did : >: >: a truss -t exec and i can see, that kermit forkes, if i try to : >: >: receive a file, but nothing happens, if keying in the transmit command. : >: >: a second bug ? : >: >: : >: >No. First of all, you must ensure you have rx and sx programs that use : >: >stdio, so they can be redirected over the SET LINE or SET HOST device. : >: : >: of course. receiving worked. but not transmitting. i did check, : >: kermit didn't even try to start an external program. : >: see the truss-output of my first mail. : >: why did kermit execute an externel prog at receiving commando : >: and not at transmitting commando ?? : >: : >After "set protocol xmodem", any "receive" command requires that you : >include a filename, since xmodem protocol does not send filenames. : : yes, i know. i did give the file-name as argument. : receiving worked, but not transmitting. : It works OK here: $ kermit (C-Kermit 6.0 banner and greeting) C-Kermit> set proto xmodem C-Kermit> receive x.x rx: ready to receive x.x So C-Kermit does indeed start the rx program. The file transfer works too (at least when the connection permits it). What happens when you give these same commands? - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Dec 13 16:17:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05658 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28318 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:17:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!inka.de!news.ka.inka.de!not-for-mail From: "Felix E. Klee" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: emacs config Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:15:29 +0000 Organization: (Posted via) Individual Network Region Karlsruhe e.V. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <36742E71.FAD3F77@inka.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: klee.inka.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sapa.inka.de 913583865 22191 felix 193.197.164.211 X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.inka.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9637 Hi, I use Kermit 3.14 to connect to a remote LINUX machine. However when I run emacs 20 some key combinations (page up, page down, home, end, etc.) do not work. They are set up correctly in .emacs and work when emacs is run in X locally on the remote machine. What do I have to do to make these keys work in emacs run in kermit and where do I find information on that topic? TIA, Felix Extract from my .emacs (all my key combinations are set up like this): (define-key global-map [home] 'beginning-of-line) (define-key global-map [end] 'end-of-line) -- mailto:felix.klee@inka.de http://sites.inka.de/sites/klee From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 14 04:14:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA03176 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:14:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA06625 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:14:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!paralynx!paralynx-1!cyclone.bc.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!158.43.192.17!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!sun4nl!news.btc-twente.nl!not-for-mail From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for the palm pilot Date: 14 Dec 1998 09:07:16 GMT Organization: Echelon consultancy & software development Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <74rb06$jqn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beasd.echelon.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: news.btc-twente.nl 913626436 3745 193.78.78.34 (14 Dec 1998 09:07:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@echelon.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Dec 1998 09:07:16 GMT X-Newsreader: ProNews/2 Version 1.50 Beta 1 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9638 On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:42:14, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: > In article , > Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: > : Frank, > : > : I wonder if anyone has done a port to the PalmPilot? > : > > Not yet. What features would you want that could fit into 64K? - barebones vt100 subset (screenhandling) for emulation - transfer capabilities - some scripting (dialin, retrieve/store files, exit; things like that) I remember Apple-2 Kermit from my Apple //c days, which fit in 30k or something and even had functions I never used :-) -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | web: www.echelon.nl ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 48 36 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 43 36 222 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 14 10:00:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08527 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15864 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:00:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!EU.net!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!Austria.EU.net!not-for-mail From: mayer1b@unisys.co.at ( hans mayer ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: kermit 6.1.193 Beta.05 no xmodem protocol Date: 14 Dec 1998 14:48:59 GMT Organization: UNISYS Austria Lines: 59 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <913646879.6614@scarlatti> References: <913198664.933802@scarlatti> <74om52$8n9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <913567978.641639@scarlatti> <7518ok$2nv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: mayer1b@unisys.co.at NNTP-Posting-Host: scarlatti.unisys.co.at X-Trace: fleetstreet.Austria.EU.net 913646939 25592 193.83.181.72 (14 Dec 1998 14:48:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@Austria.EU.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Dec 1998 14:48:59 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test60 (5 October 1997) Originator: nobody@relay.bfl.at (uid no body) Cache-Post-Path: scarlatti!unknown@mozart X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9639 comp.unix.solaris:187475 hi frank ! In article <7518ok$2nv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <913567978.641639@scarlatti>, >hans mayer wrote: >: In article <74om52$8n9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >: Frank da Cruz wrote: >: >In article <913280526.237271@scarlatti>, >: >hans mayer wrote: >: >: In article <74m2tu$km8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >: >: Frank da Cruz wrote: >: >: >In article <913198664.933802@scarlatti>, >: >: >hans mayer wrote: >: >: > >: >: >: so i tried with external programms rx and sx >: >: >: receiving files worked now. but not transmitting. i did >: >: >: a truss -t exec and i can see, that kermit forkes, if i try to >: >: >: receive a file, but nothing happens, if keying in the transmit command. >: >: >: a second bug ? >: >: >: >: >: >No. First of all, you must ensure you have rx and sx programs that use >: >: >stdio, so they can be redirected over the SET LINE or SET HOST device. >: >: >: >: of course. receiving worked. but not transmitting. i did check, >: >: kermit didn't even try to start an external program. >: >: see the truss-output of my first mail. >: >: why did kermit execute an externel prog at receiving commando >: >: and not at transmitting commando ?? >: >: >: >After "set protocol xmodem", any "receive" command requires that you >: >include a filename, since xmodem protocol does not send filenames. >: >: yes, i know. i did give the file-name as argument. >: receiving worked, but not transmitting. >: >It works OK here: > > $ kermit > (C-Kermit 6.0 banner and greeting) > C-Kermit> set proto xmodem > C-Kermit> receive x.x > rx: ready to receive x.x > >So C-Kermit does indeed start the rx program. The file transfer works too >(at least when the connection permits it). > >What happens when you give these same commands? receiving, from remote to local unix, works fine. there i have no problems. again - transmitting, from unix to remote, does not work. it doesn't start the sx program. -- best regards from vienna | mayer (at) unisys.co.at_SPAM hans | mayer (at) relay.bfl.at_SPAM From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 14 10:16:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13384 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:16:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA16682 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:16:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: kermit 6.1.193 Beta.05 no xmodem protocol Date: 14 Dec 1998 15:16:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 93 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <753a3u$2gi$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <913198664.933802@scarlatti> <913567978.641639@scarlatti> <7518ok$2nv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <913646879.6614@scarlatti> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9640 comp.unix.solaris:187481 In article <913646879.6614@scarlatti>, hans mayer wrote: : In article <7518ok$2nv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : Frank da Cruz wrote: : >In article <913567978.641639@scarlatti>, : >hans mayer wrote: : >: In article <74om52$8n9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : >: Frank da Cruz wrote: : >: >In article <913280526.237271@scarlatti>, : >: >hans mayer wrote: : >: >: In article <74m2tu$km8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : >: >: Frank da Cruz wrote: : >: >: >In article <913198664.933802@scarlatti>, : >: >: >hans mayer wrote: : >: >: > : >: >: >: so i tried with external programms rx and sx receiving files worked : >: >: >: now. but not transmitting. i did a truss -t exec and i can see, : >: >: >: that kermit forkes, if i try to receive a file, but nothing : >: >: >: happens, if keying in the transmit command. a second bug ? : >: >: >: : >: >: >No. First of all, you must ensure you have rx and sx programs that : >: >: >use stdio, so they can be redirected over the SET LINE or SET HOST : >: >: >device. : >: >: : >: >: of course. receiving worked. but not transmitting. i did check, : >: >: kermit didn't even try to start an external program. : >: >: see the truss-output of my first mail. : >: >: why did kermit execute an externel prog at receiving commando : >: >: and not at transmitting commando ?? : >: >: : >: >After "set protocol xmodem", any "receive" command requires that you : >: >include a filename, since xmodem protocol does not send filenames. : >: : >: yes, i know. i did give the file-name as argument. : >: receiving worked, but not transmitting. : >: : >It works OK here: : > : > $ kermit : > (C-Kermit 6.0 banner and greeting) : > C-Kermit> set proto xmodem : > C-Kermit> receive x.x : > rx: ready to receive x.x : > : >So C-Kermit does indeed start the rx program. The file transfer works too : >(at least when the connection permits it). : > : >What happens when you give these same commands? : : receiving, from remote to local unix, works fine. : there i have no problems. : again - transmitting, from unix to remote, does not work. : it doesn't start the sx program. : Both sending and receiving work fine: $ whereis sx sx: /usr/local/bin/sx $ ls -l /usr/local/bin/sx -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 65536 Nov 18 1990 /usr/local/bin/sx $ kermit (C-Kermit 6.0 banner and greeting) C-Kermit> set proto xmodem C-Kermit> show proto Protocol: XMODEM Executed by external commands: SEND command (binary): sx %s SEND command (text): sx -a %s RECEIVE command (binary): rx %s RECEIVE command (text): rx %s Autoreceive command (binary): rx %s Autoreceive command (text): rx %s C-Kermit> send x.x Sending x.x, 1 XMODEM blocks. Give your local XMODEM receive command now. (and the file is transferred). If C-Kermit can't start an external program, that's because it can't find it (e.g. because the program is not in your PATH), or it lacks permission, or some similar impediment. If it *can* start the external protocol program, but it doesn't work, then we have an additional list of possible problems: program is not redirectable, connection is not sufficiently transparent for this protocol, program doesn't work, etc. If you have further trouble, please send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu, rather than continuing the discussion here, since we have passed the point where the information in this thread is of general interest. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 14 13:10:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07965 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA26538 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:10:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: emacs config Date: 14 Dec 1998 18:10:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <753kb8$8fp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36742E71.FAD3F77@inka.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9641 Felix E. Klee (felix.klee@inka.de) wrote: : I use Kermit 3.14 to connect to a remote LINUX machine. However : when I run emacs 20 some key combinations (page up, page down, : home, end, etc.) do not work. They are set up correctly in .emacs : and work when emacs is run in X locally on the remote machine. You have at least two ways to approach this: you can modify your Kermit setup to send codes that match what emacs expects, or you can modify your emacs so that it will accept what Kermit sends. Unfortunately,... : Extract from my .emacs (all my key combinations are set : up like this): : (define-key global-map [home] 'beginning-of-line) The "[home]" in that example is a keyboard event, rather than a character code, and it probably doesn't have an equivalent sequence of keystrokes (in any case, I haven't found one). This fact more-or-less rules out the first approach. For the second, the details depend on exactly what codes those keys send. For example, suppose the home key is sending "\033[H". You can then include the following: (define-key global-map "\033[" 'ESC-prefix) (define-key global-map "\033[H" 'beginning-of-line) You can have multiple definitions in emacs that call out the same function, so there is no problem in keeping the definitions around for your various environments simultaneously. John Chandler From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 15 08:31:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22561 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA00904 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:30:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news-han1.dfn.de!newsserver.rrzn.uni-hannover.de!not-for-mail From: "Felix E. Klee" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: emacs config Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:00:29 +0000 Organization: RRZN - Newsserver Lines: 17 Message-ID: <36765D6D.848B0373@inka.de> References: <36742E71.FAD3F77@inka.de> <753kb8$8fp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: h10.stud.uni-hannover.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9642 Thanks for your respone. John Chandler wrote: > The "[home]" in that example is a keyboard event, rather than a > character code, and it probably doesn't have an equivalent sequence of > keystrokes (in any case, I haven't found one). This fact more-or-less > rules out the first approach. For the second, the details depend on > exactly what codes those keys send. For example, suppose the home key > is sending "\033[H". You can then include the following: How do I find out what code certain keys send? Felix -- mailto:felix.klee@inka.de http://sites.inka.de/sites/klee From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 15 09:36:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03544 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04848 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:36:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: emacs config Date: 15 Dec 1998 14:36:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <755s5a$iqd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36742E71.FAD3F77@inka.de> <753kb8$8fp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36765D6D.848B0373@inka.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9643 In article <36765D6D.848B0373@inka.de>, Felix E. Klee wrote: : Thanks for your respone. : : John Chandler wrote: : > The "[home]" in that example is a keyboard event, rather than a : > character code, and it probably doesn't have an equivalent sequence of : > keystrokes (in any case, I haven't found one). This fact more-or-less : > rules out the first approach. For the second, the details depend on : > exactly what codes those keys send. For example, suppose the home key : > is sending "\033[H". You can then include the following: : : How do I find out what code certain keys send? : Type "show key", then press the key or key combination whose code you are looking for. By the way, if you look in the KEYBOARD subdirectory of your KERMIT directory, you'll find an EMACS.INI file that provides a fairly complete set of PC-to-EMACS key bindings, and which you can easily modify to suit your preferences. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 15 10:11:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12542 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06464 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:11:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: emacs config Message-ID: Date: 13 Dec 98 16:44:04 MDT References: <36742E71.FAD3F77@inka.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9644 In article <36742E71.FAD3F77@inka.de>, "Felix E. Klee" writes: > Hi, > > I use Kermit 3.14 to connect to a remote LINUX machine. However > when I run emacs 20 some key combinations (page up, page down, > home, end, etc.) do not work. They are set up correctly in .emacs > and work when emacs is run in X locally on the remote machine. > > What do I have to do to make these keys work in emacs run in > kermit and where do I find information on that topic? > > TIA, > > Felix > > > Extract from my .emacs (all my key combinations are set > up like this): > > (define-key global-map [home] 'beginning-of-line) > (define-key global-map [end] 'end-of-line) > > -- > mailto:felix.klee@inka.de > http://sites.inka.de/sites/klee ------------- MS-DOS Kermit is emulating a terminal, typically a VT320. Your remote host needs to match that emulation or the key commands won't make sense on the receiving end. On the Linux side say echo $TERM to see what it thinks the emulation is. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 15 12:20:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22882 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA13794 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:20:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: davism57766@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ckepage/TAP limit Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:12:22 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 24 Message-ID: <75659j$gbu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.166.10.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Dec 15 17:12:22 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.07 [en] (WinNT; I ;Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x5.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 168.166.10.10 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9645 To all: I'm using C-Kermit 6.1.193 Beta.05 in an AIX environment to send alphanumeric pages. The online docs state that the ckepage.ksc script can be used to send "one-line" messages via the TAP protocol. Can someone tell me how many characters this represents? I'd think it would be eighty, but I've had messages that don't work which were actually less than eighty characters. I haven't nailed down yet how many characters I can get away with... after a max number of alpha pages I have to pay for each one, so I've been trying to set this up with as few 'trial' pages as necessary. The pager central number I have been using supposedly has a limit of 240 chars. I'm eagerly awaiting my copy of the 'Using C-Kermit' manual, but have the misfortune to be at a site not known for it's speed at processing purchase orders - it may be a while. In the meantime, can anyone offer any hints as to what imposes the single-line limit for the ckepage.ksc script, and if there is possibly a way around it for TAP hookups with a more generous character limit? Thanks a lot - Mark D. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 15 12:50:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03339 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:50:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15238 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:50:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ckepage/TAP limit Date: 15 Dec 1998 17:45:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <75677d$pi7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <75659j$gbu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9646 In article <75659j$gbu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : I'm using C-Kermit 6.1.193 Beta.05 in an AIX environment to send : alphanumeric pages. The online docs state that the ckepage.ksc script : can be used to send "one-line" messages via the TAP protocol. Can someone : tell me how many characters this represents? I'd think it would be : eighty, but I've had messages that don't work which were actually less : than eighty characters. I haven't nailed down yet how many characters I : can get away with... after a max number of alpha pages I have to pay for : each one, so I've been trying to set this up with as few 'trial' pages as : necessary. The pager central number I have been using supposedly has a : limit of 240 chars. : The script does not impose any limitation. The TAP specification says "a 'block' is up to 256 characters in length, with up to 250 characters of info, plus 3 control characters and a 3-character checksum". What a particular paging service can handle is a different matter. : In the meantime, can anyone offer any hints as to what imposes the : single-line limit for the ckepage.ksc script, and if there is possibly : a way around it for TAP hookups with a more generous character limit? : Sending multiple lines is a more complicated protocol. It could, conceivably, be implemented in C-Kermit, but until now nobody has asked for it. If the only reason for wanting it is to be able to send pages up to 250 characters when a single message of that length (or less) doesn't get through, this is normally fixed by juggling the parameters in the APAGE portion of the script: flow control, intercharacter spacing, and so on (the items marked with "(*)" in the APAGE definition). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 16 08:02:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25494 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10618 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:02:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mtu.edu!news.up.net!news-chi-1.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!news-dc.gip.net!news-penn.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!iafrica.com!nnrp01.iafrica.com!linux.lisse.na!nobody From: el@linux.lisse.na (Dr Eberhard W Lisse) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for the palm pilot Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:16:04 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <74rb06$jqn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: linux.lisse.na X-Trace: nnrp01.iafrica.com 913406608 13614 196.31.228.54 (11 Dec 1998 20:03:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@iafrica.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Dec 1998 20:03:28 GMT X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #116 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9647 jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >In article , >Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: >: I wonder if anyone has done a port to the PalmPilot? >Not yet. What features would you want that could fit into 64K? Jeffrey, Dunno, file transfer? :-)-O But seriously, that's of course the issue, because it has to be written in the g++ cross compile. DialUp, log in via dumb terminal (or a simple script), start the server, return and have a frontend like the Mac, perhaps, to operate the server (change directories, download PDB, PRC and mabe ZIP files, exit/bye). What do other limited systems written in C offer? el -- Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse\ / Swakopmund State Hospital * | Resident Medical Officer Private Bag 5004 \ / +264 81 1246733 (c) 64 461005(h) 461004(f) Swakopmund, Namibia ;____/ Domain Coordinator for NA-DOM (el108) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 16 09:05:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01603 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14370 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:05:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for the palm pilot Date: 16 Dec 1998 14:05:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-ID: <758ent$16l$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <74rb06$jqn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9648 In article , Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: : Dunno, file transfer? :-)-O of course. but what feature set of the Kermit protocol. Clearly, we want send/receive but what about the server functions? For the protocol engine we want sliding windows but because of the PalmPilot memory constraints (2K stack, 64K memory limit) the size of packets and the number of sliding windows is restricted. Do we need character-set translation during file transfer? What is the character set of the palm pilot if there is one? : But seriously, that's of course the issue, because it has to be : written in the g++ cross compile. Sorry, I don't understand this comment. What does file transfer have to do with the g++ cross compiler? Is your intended purpose to use Kermit to download compiled applications from Linux to the Palm Pilot without using the Palm Desktop? : DialUp, log in via dumb terminal (or a simple script), start the : server, return and have a frontend like the Mac, perhaps, to operate : the server (change directories, download PDB, PRC and mabe ZIP files, : exit/bye). What level of terminal emulation? VT102, VT220, or given the Linux community would a Linux console be better? For the script language do people expect compatibility with C-Kermit and Kermit 95? : What do other limited systems written in C offer? Usually no terminal emulation, no sliding windows, small packets, no server functions, no character-set translation, and no scripting language, and no networking support. They are usually very bare bones implementations of Kermit. A Palm Pilot Kermit needs to be written from scratch since it must not use the C Run Time Library, should call directly to the network functions in order to preserve space, and must not use local variables in order to allow function calls to exist within a 2K program stack. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Dec 17 03:06:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA19243 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA14267 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:06:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Peeter Pirn Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem code Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:07:07 -0500 Organization: FWI Internet LLC Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3678BBAB.55FF@fwi.com> References: <72p3uf$210$1@nslave1.tin.it> Reply-To: ppirn@fwi.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.84.166.130 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 913881504 V54WLFPHFA682D154C usenet54.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9649 PoptoMagic wrote: > > Hi all, where can I find C or C++ source code for Kermit and ZModem > protocols? > I'm developing applications in Win95/NT using these protocols. > Are they free. Tim Kientzle's book, The Working Programmer's Guide to Serial Protocols, Coriolis Group Books, 1995. *I'M NOT SURE, BUT* I believe you must include a copyright notice in your source code and notify the author of commercial use of software derived from the code. -- ========================================================= Peeter Pirn System Administrator Fort Wayne Internet 219-426-7701 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Dec 17 19:04:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA05356 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA09995 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:04:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Ross Irvine Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 and sending straight binary. Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:04:42 +1100 Organization: BreastScreen Victoria Lines: 37 Message-ID: <36799C19.3E54D6E6@breastscreenDOT.orgDOT.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: husky.breastscreen.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: perki.connect.com.au 913939448 4615 203.63.141.10 (18 Dec 1998 00:04:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Dec 1998 00:04:08 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: husky.breastscreen.org.au!unknown@ross Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9650 Hello. I wrote a script about 12 months ago (using kermit for dos) which upgrades the firmware on some ISDN Modems I look after. This allows me to remote upgrade the firmware on them, whenever I want. The flash processes forces me to send the flash file in binary format with no x-fer protocol. Eg Just sending the file straight. Here's the code I used on the DOS Machine.. :START_FLASH SET FILE TYPE BINARY ; \ SET TRANSMIT PROMPT \0 ; \ Enables Kermit to SET TRANSMIT LINE-FEEDS-SENT ON ; / send RAW ASCII SET FLOW-CONTROL XON/XOFF ; / TRANSMIT \%f ; Send the Flash File I'm now tried to port this to kermit 95, but I'm have a hard time getting K95 to send raw ASCII. I know the the SET TRANSMIT LINE-FEEDS-SEND ON has been changed to SET TRANSMIT LINEFEED ON Buit I still cannot seem to get K95 (Version 1.1.17) to send just plain RAW ASCII.. Ideas?? Also on the topic of K95. Will we ever see the much awaited Native (Eg GUI) Version of K95? All has been very quiet at www.kermit-project.org for the last 6 months.. Regards.. -- Ross Irvine B.App.Sci(Comp.Sci.) CNE rirvine@breastscreenDOT.org.DOTau Communications & Network Administrator Ph : +61 3 9349-2744 BreastScreen Victoria Fax : +61 3 9349-2711 NOTE: E-mail address changed due to spam, humans will work it out. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Dec 17 19:26:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10005 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA11295 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:26:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and sending straight binary. Date: 18 Dec 1998 00:26:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: <75c7gb$bn3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36799C19.3E54D6E6@breastscreenDOT.orgDOT.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9651 In article <36799C19.3E54D6E6@breastscreenDOT.orgDOT.au>, Ross Irvine wrote: : I wrote a script about 12 months ago (using kermit for dos) which : upgrades the firmware on some ISDN Modems I look after. This allows me : to remote upgrade the firmware on them, whenever I want. : : The flash processes forces me to send the flash file in binary format with : no x-fer protocol. Eg Just sending the file straight. Here's the code I : used on the DOS Machine.. : : :START_FLASH : SET FILE TYPE BINARY ; \ : SET TRANSMIT PROMPT \0 ; \ Enables Kermit to : SET TRANSMIT LINE-FEEDS-SENT ON ; / send RAW ASCII : SET FLOW-CONTROL XON/XOFF ; / : TRANSMIT \%f ; Send the Flash File : It's not exactly "raw ASCII" -- it's really just raw 8-bit binary data. : I'm now tried to port this to kermit 95, but I'm have a hard time getting : K95 to send raw ASCII. I know the the SET TRANSMIT LINE-FEEDS-SEND ON has : been changed to SET TRANSMIT LINEFEED ON : : Buit I still cannot seem to get K95 (Version 1.1.17) to send just plain : RAW ASCII.. : This should work: :START_FLASH EIGHTBIT SET FILE TYPE BINARY SET FLOW-CONTROL XON/XOFF TRANSMIT \%f If that doesn't work, use SET FLOW NONE. If that results in overruns, add SET TRANSMIT PAUSE (to pause between each byte) or use a slower serial speed. : Also on the topic of K95. Will we ever see the much awaited Native (Eg : GUI) Version of K95? All has been very quiet at www.kermit-project.org : for the last 6 months.. : We've been working hard. There will be major releases of K95 and C-Kermit soon. The new release of K95 will not be the GUI, but it will be the final major release before the GUI release. It's a lot of work. By the way, K95 *is* fully native. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Dec 18 09:30:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28993 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21230 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:30:35 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!ix.netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: receiving straight binary Message-ID: Organization: ICGNetcom Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:25:30 GMT Lines: 16 Sender: gerlach@netcom15.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9652 Hi gang, I have a device that spits out raw binary serial data, and I want it to go to a harddrive. I'm using 6.1.193 Beta.05 on a Solaris machine. What I did was write a small program that reads stdin and writes it to a file. I then used the ckermit "redirect" command to run my program attaching the serial input stream to my program's stdin. I'm sure there is a better way to do this, but I'm not sure what that better way is. I have written scripts using the "input" command that does the same thing for ascii text, but I'm not sure it would work too well in the this case. Any thoughts on the matter would be appreciated. Matthew From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Dec 18 10:36:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10145 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:36:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24916 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:36:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: receiving straight binary Date: 18 Dec 1998 15:36:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <75dsph$4i1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9653 In article , Matthew H. Gerlach wrote: : I have a device that spits out raw binary serial data, and I want it to go : to a harddrive. I'm using 6.1.193 Beta.05 on a Solaris machine. What I : did was write a small program that reads stdin and writes it to a file. I : then used the ckermit "redirect" command to run my program attaching the : serial input stream to my program's stdin. : : I'm sure there is a better way to do this, but I'm not sure what that better : way is. I have written scripts using the "input" command that does : the same thing for ascii text, but I'm not sure it would work too well : in the this case. : There's no reason why it shouldn't: set line /dev/tty0 ; or whatever set speed 19200 ; or whatever set parity none set flow rts/cts ; or none -- not xon/xoff set session-log binary set terminal byte 8 set terminal character-set transparent log session input 9999 termination-sequence close session The trick is to know when to stop logging, but you must have had some criterion in your stdin/stdout program so you should be able to use the same one here. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Dec 18 11:37:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26785 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28541 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:37:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.worldonline.nl!not-for-mail From: "Michel Krabshuis" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Winoldap giving me problems!! Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:33:22 +0100 Organization: MJK Automatisering Lines: 20 Message-ID: <75e0dj$kue$1@news.worldonline.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: vp236-57.worldonline.nl X-Trace: news.worldonline.nl 913999091 21454 195.241.236.57 (18 Dec 1998 16:38:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldonline.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Dec 1998 16:38:11 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9654 When i start an Kermit 95 session an Microsoft application 'winoldap' is starting also. This program giving me a lot of problems when i.e. working with true 32bits programs like Word/Excel 97 and printing from the application, most often turns on the famous blue screen!!!!!! General Protection Fault in Winoldap Can someone gives me some idea's about this. The version we are using is Kermit95 1.1.16. Thanx Michel Krabshuis Microsoft Certified Professional From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Dec 18 11:41:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27861 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28791 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:41:28 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!ix.netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: Re: receiving straight binary Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <75dsph$4i1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:36:42 GMT Lines: 51 Sender: gerlach@netcom15.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9655 In article <75dsph$4i1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article , >Matthew H. Gerlach wrote: >: I have a device that spits out raw binary serial data, and I want it to go >: to a harddrive. I'm using 6.1.193 Beta.05 on a Solaris machine. What I >: did was write a small program that reads stdin and writes it to a file. I >: then used the ckermit "redirect" command to run my program attaching the >: serial input stream to my program's stdin. >: >: I'm sure there is a better way to do this, but I'm not sure what that better >: way is. I have written scripts using the "input" command that does >: the same thing for ascii text, but I'm not sure it would work too well >: in the this case. >: >There's no reason why it shouldn't: > > set line /dev/tty0 ; or whatever > set speed 19200 ; or whatever > set parity none > set flow rts/cts ; or none -- not xon/xoff > set session-log binary > set terminal byte 8 > set terminal character-set transparent > log session > input 9999 termination-sequence > close session > >The trick is to know when to stop logging, but you must have had some >criterion in your stdin/stdout program so you should be able to use the >same one here. > >- Frank The termination criteria is the trick. Currently, my stdin/stdout program has no "stopping criteria". It stops when I signal it. From the "input" command's point of view, the data stream is random; so there is no pattern to "look for". I just want to "input" the bytes and log them. For the record, the data stream is a Mu-law encoded audio stream. Thinking about this more. What I have is a burst of data coming out of the device. So a convenient script would wait a certain amount of time for anything to come over the wire, log it, and when there is large pause in the data stream, say a second or so, it would stop. Looking at the "input" command in the manual some more, if I just give it a timeout and no text it will wait for any single character. I suppose this would work, but I'm running at 115k, and it seems "input"ing single characters might be rather expensive processing-wise. Matthew From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Dec 18 11:45:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28791 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28985 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:45:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Winoldap giving me problems!! Date: 18 Dec 1998 16:45:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-ID: <75e0qd$71h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <75e0dj$kue$1@news.worldonline.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9656 In article <75e0dj$kue$1@news.worldonline.nl>, Michel Krabshuis wrote: : When i start an Kermit 95 session an Microsoft application 'winoldap' is : starting also. This program giving me a lot of problems when i.e. working : with true 32bits programs like Word/Excel 97 and printing from the : application, most often turns on the famous blue screen!!!!!! : : General Protection Fault in Winoldap : : Can someone gives me some idea's about this. : : The version we are using is Kermit95 1.1.16. : : Thanx : Michel Krabshuis : Microsoft Certified Professional : >From the Kermit 95 BUGS.TXT file: 426. "WINOLDAP - This program has performed an illegal operation..." (M) Sometimes K95 crashes with a message something like "Winoldap: This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down. If the problem persists, contact the program vendor." If you look at the message in more detail, you will usually see that the crash occurred not in K95 at all, but in the Windows kernel. Furthermore, please be aware that "Winoldap" does not refer to K95 -- it is not an "old" application, a DOS application, a 16-bit application, nor is it "old" in any other way. In fact, this term refers to the Microsoft Console window in which Windows 95 forces K95.EXE to run. (end quote) The current version of K95 is 1.1.17. Please upgrade to it at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html Every new release of K95 contains more and more workarounds for Microsoft bugs. If the problems continue after installing the 1.1.17 patch, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. About printing... After you install K95 1.1.17, read the section on printing in the new online manual. Start the Dialer, click on Help, Choose K95 Manual, and then go to Terminal Emulation Chapter, then read the two sections: . Local Printing . Host-Initiated Printing and follow any links contained in those sections for further info. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Dec 18 11:47:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29638 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:47:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29085 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:47:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: receiving straight binary Date: 18 Dec 1998 16:47:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-ID: <75e0vd$74n$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <75dsph$4i1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9657 In article , Matthew H. Gerlach wrote: : In article <75dsph$4i1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : >In article , : >Matthew H. Gerlach wrote: : >: I have a device that spits out raw binary serial data, and I want it to : >: go to a harddrive. I'm using 6.1.193 Beta.05 on a Solaris machine. What : >: I did was write a small program that reads stdin and writes it to a file. : >: I then used the ckermit "redirect" command to run my program attaching : >: the serial input stream to my program's stdin. : >: : >: I'm sure there is a better way to do this, but I'm not sure what that : >: better way is. I have written scripts using the "input" command that : >: does the same thing for ascii text, but I'm not sure it would work too : >: well in the this case. : >: : >There's no reason why it shouldn't: : > : > set line /dev/tty0 ; or whatever : > set speed 19200 ; or whatever : > set parity none : > set flow rts/cts ; or none -- not xon/xoff : > set session-log binary : > set terminal byte 8 : > set terminal character-set transparent : > log session : > input 9999 termination-sequence : > close session : > : >The trick is to know when to stop logging, but you must have had some : >criterion in your stdin/stdout program so you should be able to use the : >same one here. : > : >- Frank : : The termination criteria is the trick. Currently, my stdin/stdout program : has no "stopping criteria". It stops when I signal it. From the "input" : command's point of view, the data stream is random; so there is no : pattern to "look for". I just want to "input" the bytes and log them. : For the record, the data stream is a Mu-law encoded audio stream. : : Thinking about this more. What I have is a burst of data coming out of the : device. So a convenient script would wait a certain amount of time : for anything to come over the wire, log it, and when there is large pause : in the data stream, say a second or so, it would stop. : : Looking at the "input" command in the manual some more, if I just give : it a timeout and no text it will wait for any single character. I suppose : this would work, but I'm running at 115k, and it seems "input"ing : single characters might be rather expensive processing-wise. : : Matthew : Yes, that would be expensive. How about this: SET INPUT SILENCE 60 ; Make INPUT time out after 60 seconds of silence INPUT 9999 string-that-will-never-come - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Dec 18 17:47:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07897 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA19567 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:47:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.cwix.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: davism57766@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ckepage/TAP limit Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:02:14 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 58 Message-ID: <75efsk$ipr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <75659j$gbu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <75677d$pi7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.166.10.10 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Dec 18 21:02:14 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.07 [en] (WinNT; I ;Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 168.166.10.10 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9658 In article <75677d$pi7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > In article <75659j$gbu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > wrote: > : I'm using C-Kermit 6.1.193 Beta.05 in an AIX environment to send > : alphanumeric pages. The online docs state that the ckepage.ksc script > : can be used to send "one-line" messages via the TAP protocol. Can someone > : tell me how many characters this represents? I'd think it would be > : eighty, but I've had messages that don't work which were actually less > : than eighty characters. I haven't nailed down yet how many characters I > : can get away with... after a max number of alpha pages I have to pay for > : each one, so I've been trying to set this up with as few 'trial' pages as > : necessary. The pager central number I have been using supposedly has a > : limit of 240 chars. > : > The script does not impose any limitation. The TAP specification says > "a 'block' is up to 256 characters in length, with up to 250 characters > of info, plus 3 control characters and a 3-character checksum". What a > particular paging service can handle is a different matter. > > : In the meantime, can anyone offer any hints as to what imposes the > : single-line limit for the ckepage.ksc script, and if there is possibly > : a way around it for TAP hookups with a more generous character limit? > : > Sending multiple lines is a more complicated protocol. It could, > conceivably, be implemented in C-Kermit, but until now nobody has asked for > it. If the only reason for wanting it is to be able to send pages up to 250 > characters when a single message of that length (or less) doesn't get > through, this is normally fixed by juggling the parameters in the APAGE > portion of the script: flow control, intercharacter spacing, and so on (the > items marked with "(*)" in the APAGE definition). > > - Frank > Thanks Frank - sorry for the delay in acknowledging your response; was tied up with other things for a couple of days before I could get back to the TAP stuff. After playing with some of the flow control/error correction etc. settings in ckepage.ksc, I switched out modems from the Supra 28.8 I had been using to a Hayes 56K, and now everything goes through just fine. Probably had one of the other modem commands set wrong or something. Your suggestion pointed me in the right direction, though. And a second thanks - assuming you are one(?) of the developers who maintain Kermit... although my recent attempts have been the first time I've had a need to use C-Kermit since quite some time ago, I distinctly remember using Kermit many years ago to communicate between PC's and UNIX machines with great success. Getting reaquainted with it for the paging stuff has been a pleasure. This is an *outstanding* program. - Mark -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Dec 18 18:16:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14355 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21270 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:16:18 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ckepage/TAP limit Date: 18 Dec 1998 23:16:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <75eno1$n1m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <75659j$gbu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <75677d$pi7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <75efsk$ipr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9659 In article <75efsk$ipr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : After playing with some of the flow control/error correction etc. : settings in ckepage.ksc, I switched out modems from the Supra 28.8 : I had been using to a Hayes 56K, and now everything goes through : just fine. Probably had one of the other modem commands set wrong : or something. : In my experience switching modems often works wonders and often, the older the modem, the better. I've found more than one service that simply does not work unless you call it with a real Hayes 1200. Of course it's often possible to "dumb down" a modern modem to act like a Hayes 1200, but you never really know. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Dec 19 11:00:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07127 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:00:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17304 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 11:00:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsreader.jvnc.net!hal9000.buf.servtech.com!spamguard!rchandra From: rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ckepage/TAP limit Date: 19 Dec 1998 16:00:39 GMT Organization: Verio Northeast Lines: 17 Message-ID: <75gij7$imm$1@newsreader.jvnc.net> References: <75659j$gbu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <75677d$pi7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <75efsk$ipr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <75eno1$n1m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hal9000.buf.servtech.com Originator: 0x804b6c0@0x804b560 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9660 The TAP terminal that we use (if at all) seems to have a limit of 80 character messages. I'm not sure if this is affected by the line breaks that happen on the pagers' displays where there are spaces in the messages or not. What I do see is that this particular TAP terminal (Arch in Buffalo, NY, USA) accepts, without error, longer pages (incidentally, over a V.22bis connection or slower, with error correction and compression where possible), but only the first 80 characters are seen on the pager. However...if one uses Arch's email gateway (@epage.arch.com), much longer messages may appear on the pager, up to 200 or so characters. So, you might want to consider whether it is possible and acceptable to use an email route instead for your paging. -- Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Ooooo-weem-oh-wum-ooo-ayyy In the jungle, the silicon jungle, the process sleeps tonight. Joe Philipps http://www.servtech.com/~rchandra/ You know what you have to do to send email to me successfully :^) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Dec 19 16:49:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09968 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:48:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA07177 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:48:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: nospam4me@nospam.com (NoSpam4Me) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 and UNC names Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:47:56 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 11 Message-ID: <367c1f09.15865593@news.mbay.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.55.224.171 X-Trace: 914103896 6BUII4S.ME0ABCE37C usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9661 Does K-95 support UNC names for directories ? I would like to run K-95 as a service on Windows NT4.0 but I would need to map drives to the network first. This would work if I could use something like "\\server1\c-drive\sharedir" as the download and upload directory, but I can't seem to get K-95 to accept this. Thanks... Tim From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Dec 19 17:05:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11015 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA08149 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:05:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!unlisys!news.snafu.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news.tu-chemnitz.de!not-for-mail From: "Ralf Gessner" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for Delphi Component Date: 19 Dec 1998 21:42:24 GMT Organization: Chemnitz University of Technology, GER Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01be2b98$372138a0$0311208d@Prage> NNTP-Posting-Host: imodem3.pub.fh-zwickau.de X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9662 Hi folks, i'm looking for a Delphi component, realising the kermit- or xmodem protocol to do serial connections in my application. Is there anywhere a free or shareware component ? Thanks for help Ralf Please email to rage@fh-zwickau.de From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Dec 19 21:00:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03063 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:00:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA21786 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:00:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and UNC names Date: 20 Dec 1998 02:00:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <75hloa$e6e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <367c1f09.15865593@news.mbay.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9663 In article <367c1f09.15865593@news.mbay.net>, NoSpam4Me wrote: : Does K-95 support UNC names for directories ? : : I would like to run K-95 as a service on Windows NT4.0 : but I would need to map drives to the network first. : : This would work if I could use something like : "\\server1\c-drive\sharedir" : as the download and upload directory, but I can't seem to : get K-95 to accept this. : : Thanks... Tim It does indeed support UNC names. But because '\' is the command quote character you need to double them: \\\\server1\\c-drive\\sharedir\\ Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Dec 20 01:16:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29308 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA05067 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:16:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: nospam4me@nospam.com (NoSpam4Me) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and UNC names Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 06:10:49 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 59 Message-ID: <367c910f.15217461@news.mbay.net> References: <367c1f09.15865593@news.mbay.net> <75hloa$e6e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.55.224.175 X-Trace: 914134089 6BUII4S.ME0AFCE37C usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9664 Thanks for the response, Jeffrey That works great! K95 works flawlessly running as a service on Windows NT 4.0 No one logged on the PC and I can send / request network files using K95 and UNC names. I also tried changing users by logging off then logging on as a different user in the middle of a big file transfer with no problems/interruptions. If I could bother you with one other question.... Is there a way to monitor the transactions as they occur? I tried using the LOG feature, but the only way (from what I read in my "Using C-Kermit Manual) I can get a current log file is either to use the debug mode or to wait until the transfer is done then close the log. The debug method gives me too much info, I just need to know then name of the currently sending/receiving file. The Transaction log is perfect, except I can not figure out how to look at this info while the file is still in transit. Again, thanks for the reply Tim Carson >jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: >In article <367c1f09.15865593@news.mbay.net>, >NoSpam4Me wrote: >: Does K-95 support UNC names for directories ? >: >: I would like to run K-95 as a service on Windows NT4.0 >: but I would need to map drives to the network first. >: >: This would work if I could use something like >: "\\server1\c-drive\sharedir" >: as the download and upload directory, but I can't seem to >: get K-95 to accept this. >: >: Thanks... Tim > > >It does indeed support UNC names. But because '\' is the >command quote character you need to double them: > > \\\\server1\\c-drive\\sharedir\\ > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Dec 20 10:17:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03133 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06981 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:17:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and UNC names Date: 20 Dec 1998 15:17:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <75j4ep$9d3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <367c1f09.15865593@news.mbay.net> <75hloa$e6e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <367c910f.15217461@news.mbay.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9665 In article <367c910f.15217461@news.mbay.net>, NoSpam4Me wrote: : Thanks for the response, Jeffrey : That works great! : : K95 works flawlessly running as a service on Windows NT 4.0 I'm glad to hear it. : Is there a way to monitor the transactions as they occur? : I tried using the LOG feature, but the only way : (from what I read in my "Using C-Kermit Manual) I can get a current : log file is either to use the debug mode or to wait until the transfer : is done then close the log. : : The debug method gives me too much info, I just need to know then name : of the currently sending/receiving file. : : The Transaction log is perfect, except I can not figure out how to : look at this info while the file is still in transit. The transaction log is the appropriate automated way of doing things. The next version of K95, 1.1.18, will make the transaction log unbuffered so that you will be able to read current contents as it is written. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 21 07:48:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA24102 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA11016 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:48:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-x.support.nl!news.worldonline.nl!not-for-mail From: "Michel Krabshuis" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Winoldap giving me problems!! Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:04:45 +0100 Organization: MJK Automatisering Lines: 64 Message-ID: <75ldph$sf8$1@news.worldonline.nl> References: <75e0dj$kue$1@news.worldonline.nl> <75e0qd$71h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vp239-41.worldonline.nl X-Trace: news.worldonline.nl 914242161 29160 195.241.239.41 (21 Dec 1998 12:09:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldonline.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Dec 1998 12:09:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9666 Thanx for the help Grtx Michel Krabshuis Frank da Cruz heeft geschreven in bericht <75e0qd$71h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <75e0dj$kue$1@news.worldonline.nl>, >Michel Krabshuis wrote: >: When i start an Kermit 95 session an Microsoft application 'winoldap' is >: starting also. This program giving me a lot of problems when i.e. working >: with true 32bits programs like Word/Excel 97 and printing from the >: application, most often turns on the famous blue screen!!!!!! >: >: General Protection Fault in Winoldap >: >: Can someone gives me some idea's about this. >: >: The version we are using is Kermit95 1.1.16. >: >: Thanx >: Michel Krabshuis >: Microsoft Certified Professional >: >From the Kermit 95 BUGS.TXT file: > >426. "WINOLDAP - This program has performed an illegal operation..." (M) > >Sometimes K95 crashes with a message something like "Winoldap: This program >has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down. If the problem >persists, contact the program vendor." If you look at the message in more >detail, you will usually see that the crash occurred not in K95 at all, but in >the Windows kernel. Furthermore, please be aware that "Winoldap" does not >refer to K95 -- it is not an "old" application, a DOS application, a 16-bit >application, nor is it "old" in any other way. In fact, this term refers to >the Microsoft Console window in which Windows 95 forces K95.EXE to run. > >(end quote) > >The current version of K95 is 1.1.17. Please upgrade to it at: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html > >Every new release of K95 contains more and more workarounds for Microsoft >bugs. If the problems continue after installing the 1.1.17 patch, send >email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. > >About printing... After you install K95 1.1.17, read the section on printing >in the new online manual. Start the Dialer, click on Help, Choose K95 Manual, >and then go to Terminal Emulation Chapter, then read the two sections: > > . Local Printing > . Host-Initiated Printing > >and follow any links contained in those sections for further info. > >- Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 22 12:27:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17169 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19260 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:27:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <367FD6BF.1B4D30FD@acxiom.com> From: William Jones X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: automation script calling external protocol (Zmodem) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 296 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:27:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.31.111.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 914347652 206.31.111.18 (Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:27:32 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:27:32 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9667 We have run into a problem continuing script automation after calling the external protocol (i.e., Zmodem). Due to business reasons, we must use the Zmodem protocol on the remote Windows machine running Wildcat BBS. We must automate a process of downloading (and uploading) files to a remote Windows based Wildcat BBS from a UNIX server running SCO Unixware 7. We are trying to use C-Kermit with kermit automation scripts on the UNIX server. We have purchased Zmodem from Omen Inc. (crz, csz, etc.) and also two copies of the book "using C-Kermit". We have built a Kermit script (wildcat.ksc) which works up to a point. We have placed the command to call the kermit scriptin .mykermrc (i.e., take wildcat.ksc); furthermore, we start the process by typing " kermit -nr ". It starts the external protocol download but we can not figure out how to turn control back to the Kermit automation script after the download completes . After the file is downloaded we get a Continue prompt. How do we return control back from the external protocol to kermit? Any advice would be appreciated. Portions of the files (session.log, console.log, and wildcat.ksc with p/w zzzzzz'ed out) are pasted below. In summary, how do we switch back to Kermit in the automated scripts after calling the external protocol? Regards, William Jones Database Administrator Finance Business Unit 1 E-Mail: wjones@acxiom.com TEL # : (501) 336-1363 FAX# : (501) 336-3714 "Wolves wouldn't succeed if they didn't work as a team, and when they're not hunting, they play." ************************************* *****START OF session.log***** ************************************* WC142704-08564963966DF83294823>Wildcat! for Win95/NT (c) 1995,96 Mustang Software, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Registration number: 04-0856. v5.00.427 (Aug 28 1996). Node: 1. Connected at 38400 bps. ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ You have connected to node 1 on Acme Corporation This system is operating on Wildcat! v5 Please supply username and password to logon. UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS PROHIBITED ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ What is your first name? snowman What is your last name? Welcome SNOWMAN. What is your password? ******* ACME CORPORATION ßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßß Main Menu Û ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ³ B BULLETIN MENU ³ ³ C Comments to Sysop ³ ³ F FILE MENU ³ ³ G Goodbye ³ ³ H Change help level ³ ³ I Initial Welcome ³ ³ M MESSAGE MENU ³ ³ Q QUESTIONNAIRE MENU ³ ³ ? Command Help ³ ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ Time Left : 155 Total Time Online : 540 Main Menu Command >> f ACME CORPORATION ßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßßß File Menu Û ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÛ ÚÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿ ³ G Goodbye ³ ³ F File Transfer Help ³ ³ H Change help level ³ ³ I Info. On a File ³ ³ L List Files ³ ³ M MESSAGE MENU ³ ³ N New Files listing ³ ³ Q Quit to main ³ ³ S Search for files ³ ³ U UpLoad files ³ ³ ? Command Help ³ ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ Time Left : 155 Total Time Online : 540 Main Menu Command >> l Scanning file area 70 - SNOWMAN [ 1] ACXIOM~1.TXT test [ 2] DIAL~1.FIL Test file from William in Little Rock Arkansas on Dec 11 Fri [ 3] ABC.TXT 1000+ row test file from NRC via William's DESK [ 4] ABC1.TXT [ 5] ABC2.TXT upload test [ 6] ABC3.TXT upload test zmodem [ 7] REGGIE.TXT Hi Reggie, see you at 8:45 William [ 8] SANTA.TXT automatic uploading [C]ont,[P]rev,[H]elp,[N]stp,S[k]ip,[M]ark,[D]nld,[I]nfo,[V]iew,[Q]uit? d Bytes Time Total Bytes Total Time ------------- ---------- ------------- ---------- File #1 ? reggie.txtFile #1 ? REGGIE.TXT 26,676 0:00:09 26,676 0:00:09 File #2 ? You have these MARKED files queued ready for download: Bytes Time Total Bytes Total Time ------------- ---------- ------------- ---------- [ 1] REGGIE.TXT 26,676 0:00:09 26,676 0:00:09 [D]ownload - Download all marked files. [A]dd - Add more files (by name) to the download list. [G]oodbye - Download all marked files, then logoff automatically. [T]humbnail - Create composite image(s) of all picture files. [E]dit - Edit/View marked files. [Q]uit - Return to the menu prompt. Download command? D [A] Ascii [X] Xmodem [C] Xmodem/CRC [F] Xmodem/1K [O] Xmodem/1KG [Y] Ymodem [G] Ymodem/G [K] Kermit [Z] Zmodem Select a file transfer protocol? z Start your Zmodem download now... rz**B00000000000000Š**B00000000000000Š Press [ENTER] to continue?  ************************************ ***** END OF session.log***** ************************************ *************************************** *****START OF UNIX console ***** *************************************** CONNECT 26400/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS Call complete: 09:48:57. 101. take wildcat.ksc 1. ;set input timeout quit 2. set input echo off 3. input 30 name? 4. output snowman\13 5. input 30 name? 6. output \13 7. input 30 password? 8. output zzzzzzz\13 9. input 5 command >> 10. output f\13 11. input 5 command >> 12. output l\13 13. input 5 uit? 14. output d\13 15. input 5 ? 16. output reggie.txt\13 17. input 5 ? 18. output \13 19. input 5 command? 20. output d\13 21. input 5 protocol? 22. output z\13 23. input 60 continue? 24. output \13 25. input 5 uit? 26. output q\13 27. input 5 command >> 28. output g\13 29. input 5 n]? 30. output y\13 102. ;take wildcat.ksc 103. end ; End of UNIX section 692. 693. ; Finish up with traditional greeting. 694. 695. if < \v(ntime) 43200 echo Good Morning! Good Morning! 696. else if < \v(ntime) 61200 echo Good Afternoon! 697. else echo Good Evening. 698. 699. End ; of C-Kermit 6.0 initialization file. Incoming: reggie.txt 26676 bytes 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 1024 ZMODEM CRC-32 2048 ZMODEM CRC-32 3072 ZMODEM CRC-32 4096 ZMODEM CRC-32 5120 ZMODEM CRC-32 6144 ZMODEM CRC-32 7168 ZMODEM CRC-32 8192 ZMODEM CRC-32 9216 ZMODEM CRC-32 10240 ZMODEM CRC-32 11264 ZMODEM CRC-32 12288 ZMODEM CRC-32 13312 ZMODEM CRC-32 14336 ZMODEM CRC-32 15360 ZMODEM CRC-32 16384 ZMODEM CRC-32 17408 ZMODEM CRC-32 18432 ZMODEM CRC-32 19456 ZMODEM CRC-32 20480 ZMODEM CRC-32 21504 ZMODEM CRC-32 22528 ZMODEM CRC-32 23552 ZMODEM CRC-32 24576 ZMODEM CRC-32 25600 ZMODEM CRC-32 26624 ZMODEM CRC-32 crz 1.00 07-23-98 finished. Connecting to /dev/term/00m, speed 38400. The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. (Session logged to /home/wjones/session.log, text) Press [ENTER] to continue? ************************************* *****END OF UNIX console ***** ************************************* ********************************** *****START OF wildcat.ksh ***** ********************************** ;set input timeout quit set input echo off input 30 name? output snowman\13 input 30 name? output \13 input 30 password? output zzzzzzz\13 input 5 command >> output f\13 input 5 command >> output l\13 input 5 uit? output d\13 input 5 ? output reggie.txt\13 input 5 ? output \13 input 5 command? output d\13 input 5 protocol? output z\13 input 60 continue? output \13 input 5 uit? output q\13 input 5 command >> output g\13 input 5 n]? output y\13 ******************************* *****END OF wildcat.ksh ***** ******************************* From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 22 12:48:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24230 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20389 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:48:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: automation script calling external protocol (Zmodem) Date: 22 Dec 1998 17:47:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 84 Message-ID: <75olvt$c6l$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <367FD6BF.1B4D30FD@acxiom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9668 In article <367FD6BF.1B4D30FD@acxiom.com>, William Jones wrote: : We have run into a problem continuing script automation after calling : the external protocol (i.e., Zmodem). Due to business reasons, we : must use the Zmodem protocol on the remote Windows machine : running Wildcat BBS. : : We must automate a process of downloading (and uploading) : files to a remote Windows based Wildcat BBS from a UNIX : server running SCO Unixware 7. We are trying to use C-Kermit : with kermit automation scripts on the UNIX server. We have : purchased Zmodem from Omen Inc. (crz, csz, etc.) and also : two copies of the book "using C-Kermit". We have built a Kermit : script (wildcat.ksc) which works up to a point. We have placed the : command to call the kermit scriptin .mykermrc (i.e., take wildcat.ksc); : furthermore, we start the process by typing " kermit -nr ". It starts : the : external protocol download but we can not figure out how to turn : control back to the Kermit automation script after the download : completes . After the file is downloaded we get a Continue prompt. : How do we return control back from the external protocol to kermit? : : Any advice would be appreciated. Portions of the files (session.log, : console.log, and wildcat.ksc with p/w zzzzzz'ed out) are pasted below. : In summary, how do we switch back to Kermit in the automated scripts : after calling the external protocol? : : Regards, : : William Jones : Database Administrator : Finance Business Unit 1 : E-Mail: wjones@acxiom.com : TEL # : (501) 336-1363 : FAX# : (501) 336-3714 : : "Wolves wouldn't succeed if they didn't work as a team, : and when they're not hunting, they play." : : ********************************** : *****START OF wildcat.ksh ***** : ********************************** : ;set input timeout quit : set input echo off : input 30 name? : output snowman\13 : input 30 name? : output \13 : input 30 password? : output zzzzzzz\13 : input 5 command >> : output f\13 : input 5 command >> : output l\13 : input 5 uit? : output d\13 : input 5 ? : output reggie.txt\13 : input 5 ? : output \13 : input 5 command? : output d\13 : input 5 protocol? : output z\13 : input 60 continue? : output \13 : input 5 uit? : output q\13 : input 5 command >> : output g\13 : input 5 n]? : output y\13 : : ******************************* : *****END OF wildcat.ksh ***** : ******************************* When do you start the Zmodem transfer in this script? where is the SET PROTOCOL ZMODEM and RECEIVE commands? Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 22 23:08:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA21336 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA27783 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:08:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.central.agis.net!agis!news1.alltel.net!not-for-mail From: moiaussi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: automation script calling external protocol (Zmodem) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:08:33 -0600 Organization: ALLTEL Internet Services Lines: 176 Message-ID: <368050A1.6BAA0CC5@conwaycorp.net> References: <367FD6BF.1B4D30FD@acxiom.com> <75olvt$c6l$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.102.19.201 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news1.alltel.net 914386118 4038 166.102.19.201 (23 Dec 1998 04:08:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@client.alltel.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Dec 1998 04:08:38 GMT To: Jeffrey Altman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9669 Jeffrey, In response to the following questions: Q: When do you start the Zmodem transfer in this script? A: input 5 protocol? (Wildcat requet protocol type) output z\13 ( response = z (zmodem)) Q: where is the SET PROTOCOL ZMODEM and RECEIVE commands? A: In the .mykermrc file, the following sets protocol. set protocol zmodem crb crz {csb %s} {csz %s} crb crz And the receive command is innitiated from the prompt. i.e. "kermit -r" The command "kermit -r" runs and the .mykermrc executes the following: log session (creates a session log) dial wildcat (the dial list has one phone #) take wildcat (the script to automatically download the file specified). the wildcat.ksc script will download the file when the letter "z" is receieved from the wildcat.ksc script but note, the following command still remain in the script: 1 : input 60 continue? (waiting for the continue prompt) 2: output \13 (return) 3: input 5 uit? (waiting for the quit prompt) 4: output q\13 (type q and return) 5: input 5 command >> (waiting for command prompt) 6: output g\13 (type g and return to say goodbye) 7: input /n]? (are you sure you want to log of prompt) 8: output y\13 (type y to exit) So the script bypasses lines 1-8 and when it completes execution of lines 1-8, the "kermit -r" begins execution, but now it is out of sync since it is after the final prompts have been executed. see below: RESULT: 28. output g\13 ;output using tail -f of session.log 29. input 5 /n]? ; " " 30. output y\13 ; " " 100. end ; End of UNIX section 692. ; completes .mykermrc statements 693. ; Finish up with traditional greeting. 694. 695. if < \v(ntime) 43200 echo Good Morning! 696. else if < \v(ntime) 61200 echo Good Afternoon! 697. else echo Good Evening. Good Evening. 698. 699. End ; of C-Kermit 6.0 initialization file.; last statment in .mykermrc Incoming: reggie.txt 26676 bytes ; now it begins the download procedure 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 1024 ZMODEM CRC-32 2048 ZMODEM CRC-32 3072 ZMODEM CRC-32 4096 ZMODEM CRC-32 5120 ZMODEM CRC-32 crz 1.00 07-23-98 finished. ; completes the download Press [ENTER] to continue? +++ ; hang-up the modem (return to unix prompt) OK So the script has run somewhat out of sync. The script should allow me to type "g" for goodbye before it hangs up, but as soon as it begins the zmodem download, there is no return to the calling wildcat.ksc script. Executing the download portion using z for zmodem causes the script to be run out of sequence. Here are the set commands in the .mykermrc init file: set delay 1 ; I escape back quickly set dial display on ; I like to watch C-Kermit dial set modem sportster ; modem type set line /dev/term/00m ; line set set flow-control none set modem compression on set modem error-correction on set protocol zmodem crb crz {csb %s} {csz %s} crb crz set speed 38400 set term bytesize 8 set command bytesize 8 set parity none set term download on set take echo on I work with William, and hope this helps to further debug the script mis-sync upon download using zmodem. thanks, reggie wanza Jeffrey Altman wrote: > In article <367FD6BF.1B4D30FD@acxiom.com>, > William Jones wrote: > : We have run into a problem continuing script automation after calling > : the external protocol (i.e., Zmodem). Due to business reasons, we > : must use the Zmodem protocol on the remote Windows machine > : running Wildcat BBS. > : > : We must automate a process of downloading (and uploading) > : files to a remote Windows based Wildcat BBS from a UNIX > : server running SCO Unixware 7. We are trying to use C-Kermit > : with kermit automation scripts on the UNIX server. We have > : purchased Zmodem from Omen Inc. (crz, csz, etc.) and also > : two copies of the book "using C-Kermit". We have built a Kermit > : script (wildcat.ksc) which works up to a point. We have placed the > : command to call the kermit scriptin .mykermrc (i.e., take wildcat.ksc); > : furthermore, we start the process by typing " kermit -nr ". It starts > : the > : external protocol download but we can not figure out how to turn > : control back to the Kermit automation script after the download > : completes . After the file is downloaded we get a Continue prompt. > : How do we return control back from the external protocol to kermit? > : > : Any advice would be appreciated. Portions of the files (session.log, > : console.log, and wildcat.ksc with p/w zzzzzz'ed out) are pasted below. > : In summary, how do we switch back to Kermit in the automated scripts > : after calling the external protocol? > : > : Regards, > : > : William Jones > : Database Administrator > : Finance Business Unit 1 > : E-Mail: wjones@acxiom.com > : TEL # : (501) 336-1363 > : FAX# : (501) 336-3714 > : > : "Wolves wouldn't succeed if they didn't work as a team, > : and when they're not hunting, they play." > : > : ********************************** > : *****START OF wildcat.ksh ***** > : ********************************** > : ;set input timeout quit > : set input echo off > : input 30 name? > : output snowman\13 > : input 30 name? > : output \13 > : input 30 password? > : output zzzzzzz\13 > : input 5 command >> > : output f\13 > : input 5 command >> > : output l\13 > : input 5 uit? > : output d\13 > : input 5 ? > : output reggie.txt\13 > : input 5 ? > : output \13 > : input 5 command? > : output d\13 > : input 5 protocol? > : output z\13 > : input 60 continue? > : output \13 > : input 5 uit? > : output q\13 > : input 5 command >> > : output g\13 > : input 5 n]? > : output y\13 > : > : ******************************* > : *****END OF wildcat.ksh ***** > : ******************************* > > When do you start the Zmodem transfer in this script? > where is the SET PROTOCOL ZMODEM and RECEIVE commands? > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 22 23:21:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA22183 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA28546 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:21:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: automation script calling external protocol (Zmodem) Date: 23 Dec 1998 04:21:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <75pr43$3gb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <367FD6BF.1B4D30FD@acxiom.com> <75olvt$c6l$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <368050A1.6BAA0CC5@conwaycorp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9670 In article <368050A1.6BAA0CC5@conwaycorp.net>, moiaussi wrote: : Q: where is the SET PROTOCOL ZMODEM and RECEIVE commands? : A: In the .mykermrc file, the following sets protocol. : set protocol zmodem crb crz {csb %s} {csz %s} crb crz : And the receive command is innitiated from the prompt. i.e. "kermit -r" : : The command "kermit -r" runs and the .mykermrc executes the following: : log session (creates a session log) : dial wildcat (the dial list has one phone #) : take wildcat (the script to automatically download the file specified). Your problem is that you are starting the transfer after your script completes, therefore, when the transfer ends you have no script running to automate the process. Do not use command line options to start a transfer when you want the result of the transfer to be controlled by a script. Instead, use the RECEIVE command and place it within your script. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 23 11:44:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04171 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:44:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00357 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:44:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@81.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Winoldap giving me problems!! Date: 23 Dec 1998 16:27:43 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 17 Message-ID: <75r5lv$l6j$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <75e0dj$kue$1@news.worldonline.nl> <75e0qd$71h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <75ldph$sf8$1@news.worldonline.nl> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9671 : Frank da Cruz heeft geschreven in bericht : >: General Protection Fault in Winoldap I started getting this one day, after K95 1.1.17 had been installed for quite a while (making it an old app? ;-). In looking at the "details" of the crash, I saw the name of the executable causing the crash that occurred any time I double-clicked on a Kermit Shortcut. I didn't recognize the name, but a search on Microsoft.com showed that it was part of my video driver. I reloaded my video driver, and the problem went away. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 23 16:13:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14819 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15322 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:13:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.central.agis.net!agis!news1.alltel.net!not-for-mail From: reggie wanza Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: automation script calling external protocol (Zmodem) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:12:59 -0600 Organization: ALLTEL Internet Services Lines: 44 Message-ID: <368140BB.C487C5EA@conwaycorp.net> References: <367FD6BF.1B4D30FD@acxiom.com> <75olvt$c6l$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <368050A1.6BAA0CC5@conwaycorp.net> <75pr43$3gb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.102.19.201 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news1.alltel.net 914447582 10807 166.102.19.201 (23 Dec 1998 21:13:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@client.alltel.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Dec 1998 21:13:02 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9672 I tried the receive command in the script and it worked (THANK YOU). I didn't think kermit commands like send or receive were a part of the scripting language. I just typed receive in the script. I thought It was necessary to have input or output commands, which would echo to the remote wildcat server. I also had issue about how to completely hang-up. I stuffed a hang-up command at the end of the script and it hung up the phone and then I stuffed an exit at the end of the script to exit from kermit when completed. I guess that's one way to do it. Is there a better way? We did purchase a couple copies of using C-Kermit (second edition), but most of the scripts seem to address dialing another kermit server and doesn't address downloading files from a non kermit server. I didn't notice anything about using local commands in the scripts. Any additional comments would be helpful. It seems to be working for the download side, We'll write scripts to upload as well, but just wanted to get your opinion on whether the scripts are being written to take advantage of the scripting commands. Thanks! rEggiE Jeffrey Altman wrote: > In article <368050A1.6BAA0CC5@conwaycorp.net>, > moiaussi wrote: > : Q: where is the SET PROTOCOL ZMODEM and RECEIVE commands? > : A: In the .mykermrc file, the following sets protocol. > : set protocol zmodem crb crz {csb %s} {csz %s} crb crz > : And the receive command is innitiated from the prompt. i.e. "kermit -r" > : > : The command "kermit -r" runs and the .mykermrc executes the following: > : log session (creates a session log) > : dial wildcat (the dial list has one phone #) > : take wildcat (the script to automatically download the file specified). > > Your problem is that you are starting the transfer after your script > completes, therefore, when the transfer ends you have no script running > to automate the process. Do not use command line options to start a > transfer when you want the result of the transfer to be controlled by > a script. Instead, use the RECEIVE command and place it within your > script. > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 23 16:29:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18669 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA16131 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:29:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: automation script calling external protocol (Zmodem) Date: 23 Dec 1998 21:29:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <75rnau$11b$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <367FD6BF.1B4D30FD@acxiom.com> <368050A1.6BAA0CC5@conwaycorp.net> <75pr43$3gb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <368140BB.C487C5EA@conwaycorp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9673 In article <368140BB.C487C5EA@conwaycorp.net>, reggie wanza wrote: : I tried the receive command in the script and it worked (THANK YOU). I : didn't think kermit commands like send or receive were a part of the : scripting language. : You can put any Kermit commands at all into a Kermit script. : I just typed receive in the script. I thought It was necessary to have : input or output commands, which would echo to the remote wildcat server. : : I also had issue about how to completely hang-up. I stuffed a hang-up : command at the end of the script and it hung up the phone and then I : stuffed an exit at the end of the script to exit from kermit when : completed. I guess that's one way to do it. Is there a better way? : It depends what you mean by "stuff". Did you OUTPUT hangup\13 to the other side, or did you just put "hangup" in your script as a Kermit command? Each one does about what you would think. : We did purchase a couple copies of using C-Kermit (second edition), but : most of the scripts seem to address dialing another kermit server and : doesn't address downloading files from a non kermit server. I didn't : notice anything about using local commands in the scripts. : As noted, you can put any Kermit commands in your scripts. : Any additional comments would be helpful. It seems to be working for the : download side, We'll write scripts to upload as well, but just wanted to : get your opinion on whether the scripts are being written to take : advantage of the scripting commands. : A BBS is a fullscreen application, and so input does not necessarily arrive from it in a linear fashion. Although the book does not discuss scripting BBS login and navigation explicitly, there is a section on logging into an IBM mainframe fullscreen session, which is similar. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 23 16:36:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22444 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA16658 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:36:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: modem communication script Date: 23 Dec 1998 21:36:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <75rno9$1al$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <366B412C.F804AC2F@belin.qc.ca> <74h7cc$so5$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3681605D.26BC279A@iisc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.programmer:85927 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9674 comp.unix.sco.misc:82715 In article <3681605D.26BC279A@iisc.com>, Charles M Richmond wrote: : Frank; : : Just thought I would throw some overdue kudos your way. : Back about 6 years ago, I had a customer with one SCO server : and a bunch of PCs on serial lines (via Digiboard). After : failing to talk them into upgrading the whole setup, I set : out to make things work for them. They had some really old : curses based screen programs that wouldn't work on any of : the supposed vt220 emulations. But they did work on yours! : I recently built a new SCO system for them to hook up to : the internet and have done many small consults there over : the years and the one stable bit that never needed looking : after was the Ckermit on SCO and on the Windoze machines : and the rock solid terminal emulation. Thanks for all the : years and effort that you have put into that product and into : the documentation. : Thanks, Charlie. We do our best, and we're still at it. C-Kermit 7.0 will be announced within a few weeks, I hope. Watch comp.protocols.kermit.announce for announcements, or check the Kermit Project website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Dec 24 07:50:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA17929 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA07745 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:50:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: patrick-delafon@usa.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [HELP] File transfer between 2 DOS PC"s using serial ports Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:44:19 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 16 Message-ID: <75tcv4$gnm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.2.245.189 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 24 12:44:19 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x14.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.2.245.189 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9676 Hi, I have a need to linkup two 486 PC's running IBM DOS 6.3 using their serial ports (in a null modem fashion). I want one of the PC's to be able to access the other one's ressources, especially the hard disk and the CD-ROM drive. Then I just want to transfer files from one to another in an easy fashion. Any suggestion as to the best way of acheiving this ? What is the best software for this (preferably freeware or shareware) ? Thanks for any help and advice you will give me. patrick-delafon@usa.net -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Dec 24 14:28:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16450 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02161 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:28:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.best.com!vnetnews.value.net!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] File transfer between 2 DOS PC"s using serial ports Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:26:14 -0800 Organization: Not Very Much Lines: 21 Message-ID: <36829556.3F90@value.net> References: <75tcv4$gnm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: Mark Sapiro NNTP-Posting-Host: oak105.value.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9677 patrick-delafon@usa.net wrote: > I have a need to linkup two 486 PC's running IBM DOS 6.3 using their serial > ports (in a null modem fashion). I want one of the PC's to be able to access > the other one's ressources, especially the hard disk and the CD-ROM drive. > Then I just want to transfer files from one to another in an easy fashion. > > Any suggestion as to the best way of acheiving this ? What is the best > software for this (preferably freeware or shareware) ? You posted this to the Kermit newsgroup. Do you really expect to see any answer other than 'Kermit'? Seriously, Kermit is what you're looking for. See http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html for more information on obtaining Kermit for MS DOS, and don't forget to order the book too. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Dec 24 15:55:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25281 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07165 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:55:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] File transfer between 2 DOS PC"s using serial ports Date: 24 Dec 1998 20:42:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <75u90i$e21$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <75tcv4$gnm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <36829556.3F90@value.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9678 In article <36829556.3F90@value.net>, Mark Sapiro wrote: : patrick-delafon@usa.net wrote: : > I have a need to linkup two 486 PC's running IBM DOS 6.3 using their : > serial ports (in a null modem fashion). I want one of the PC's to be able : > to access the other one's ressources, especially the hard disk and the : > CD-ROM drive. Then I just want to transfer files from one to another in : > an easy fashion. : > : > Any suggestion as to the best way of acheiving this ? What is the best : > software for this (preferably freeware or shareware) ? : : You posted this to the Kermit newsgroup. Do you really expect to see : any : answer other than 'Kermit'? : : Seriously, Kermit is what you're looking for. See : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html : for more information on obtaining Kermit for MS DOS, and don't forget to : order the book too. : Actually, it sounds to me that Patrick wants a DOS File System redirector which will allow access remote drives to be mapped. If this is the case then Kermit is not the best answer to the question. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Dec 25 12:50:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24326 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:50:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08706 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:50:26 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!ix.netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: [HELP] File transfer between 2 DOS PC"s using serial ports Message-ID: Sender: jhurwit@netcom9.netcom.com Organization: Less and less each day.. References: <75tcv4$gnm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 07:43:00 GMT Lines: 17 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9679 In article <75tcv4$gnm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, patrick-delafon@usa.net wrote: >Hi, > >I have a need to linkup two 486 PC's running IBM DOS 6.3 using their serial >ports (in a null modem fashion). I want one of the PC's to be able to access >the other one's ressources, especially the hard disk and the CD-ROM drive. >Then I just want to transfer files from one to another in an easy fashion. Check to see if your version of DOS has INTERLNK/INTERSVR (these are present in MS-DOS 6.22). It's faster if you hook the parallel ports together. Check out your DOS help file for info on setting these up, if you have them. -- jhurwit@netcom.com Jeffrey Hurwit "Sometimes, I just can't help myself!" --Babs Bunny From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Dec 26 13:53:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04295 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA02871 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:53:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!paralynx!paralynx-1!cyclone.bc.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.5.0.44!nntp.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@36.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] File transfer between 2 DOS PC"s using serial ports Date: 26 Dec 1998 18:50:10 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 20 Message-ID: <763b52$i9h$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <75tcv4$gnm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9680 Jeffrey Hurwit (jhurwit@netcom.com) wrote: : Check to see if your version of DOS has INTERLNK/INTERSVR (these : are present in MS-DOS 6.22). It's faster if you hook the parallel : ports together. Check out your DOS help file for info on setting : these up, if you have them. Since this was a non-Kermit answer, I didn't post it to the newsgroup, but I did reply via email, since we're all so helpful in this group. ;-) As Joe D. pointed out, in this _one_ isolated instance, Kermit is not the answer. Unfortunately, neither is INTERLNK, since the poster wanted to share CDROM. DOS already uses a redirector for CDROM, so INTERLNK will not share CDROM. Win95 will share CDROM, but not DOS. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Dec 27 13:32:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04421 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24239 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 13:32:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.5.0.44!nntp.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@82.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: telnet disconnects Date: 27 Dec 1998 17:15:58 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 19 Message-ID: <765q0e$34l$1@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9681 I didn't pay any attention to this one last time the discussion appeared, but now I've got a telnet connection available to my ISP, and it disconnects quite often. The disconnects occur at various periods of idle time, but inconsistent enough that I don't think it is a deliberate timeout. It's happening at work on both C-Kermit 6.0.192 and K95 1.1.17, served through a gateway device to a dial-up PPP. At home, it only seems to happen if I log in through a service called MegaPOP. If I use the direct PPP to my provider (toll call), I'm okay. I looked through the manual (Hey! that's my name ;-)), but I couldn't decide which telnet adjustment I should make. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Dec 27 14:23:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15170 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA27164 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:23:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet disconnects Date: 27 Dec 1998 19:23:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7661fk$93u$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <765q0e$34l$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9682 In article <765q0e$34l$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : I didn't pay any attention to this one last time the discussion appeared, : but now I've got a telnet connection available to my ISP, and it : disconnects quite often. : : The disconnects occur at various periods of idle time, but inconsistent : enough that I don't think it is a deliberate timeout. : : It's happening at work on both C-Kermit 6.0.192 and K95 1.1.17, served : through a gateway device to a dial-up PPP. : : At home, it only seems to happen if I log in through a service called : MegaPOP. If I use the direct PPP to my provider (toll call), I'm okay. : I looked through the manual (Hey! that's my name ;-)), but I couldn't : decide which telnet adjustment I should make. : Probably none. Debug logs will (with little doubt) reveal that the host is closing the connection, but obviously not why it is doing so. Kermit doesn't close the Telnet connection unless you ask it to. The when you make a Telnet connection over SLIP or PPP, the underlying serial connection is totally invisible (and inaccessible) to Kermit. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Dec 27 14:34:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19075 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA27882 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:34:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet disconnects Date: 27 Dec 1998 19:34:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <76623n$9ep$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <765q0e$34l$1@samba.rahul.net> <7661fk$93u$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9683 In article <7661fk$93u$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <765q0e$34l$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : : I didn't pay any attention to this one last time the discussion appeared, : : but now I've got a telnet connection available to my ISP, and it : : disconnects quite often. : : : : The disconnects occur at various periods of idle time, but inconsistent : : enough that I don't think it is a deliberate timeout. : : : : It's happening at work on both C-Kermit 6.0.192 and K95 1.1.17, served : : through a gateway device to a dial-up PPP. : : : : At home, it only seems to happen if I log in through a service called : : MegaPOP. If I use the direct PPP to my provider (toll call), I'm okay. : : I looked through the manual (Hey! that's my name ;-)), but I couldn't : : decide which telnet adjustment I should make. : : : Probably none. Debug logs will (with little doubt) reveal that the host is : closing the connection, but obviously not why it is doing so. Kermit doesn't : close the Telnet connection unless you ask it to. The most frequest cause of this kind of disconnect are network errors. If the TCP/IP stack generates a "Connection Reset" error Kermit disconnects from the host. This is because the state of the connection is unknown. A "Connection Reset" error is generated because an unrecoverable loss of data has occurred. A TCP connection is defined as being reliable and lossless. Any loss of data MUST be treated as fatal. Take a debug.log and when the connection breaks, look for ECONRESET, ENETRESET, ECONNABORTED, ENOTCONN, or "Unknown Error". These are the error types that will result in a disconnect. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 28 11:12:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14199 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22649 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:12:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshunter.cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsmaster-01.vbs.at!newsfeed03.univie.ac.at!news.chello.at!not-for-mail From: "Johannes Plachy" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: protocol definition Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:11:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.34.153.185 X-Complaints-To: news@telekabel.at X-Trace: news.chello.at 914861477 195.34.153.185 (Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:11:17 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:11:17 MET DST Organization: Chello Austria Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9684 Hi, I am looking for a KERMIT protocol definition, or better simple sample implementation. I need it for communicating with an old unix machine ! any ideas or links ? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 28 11:23:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16864 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23199 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:23:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: protocol definition Date: 28 Dec 1998 16:23:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <768b97$bfl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9685 In article , Johannes Plachy wrote: : Hi, : : I am looking for a KERMIT protocol definition, or better simple : sample implementation. : : I need it for communicating with an old unix machine ! : What might be more useful is an actual Kermit program. Put one on your old UNIX machine, and another on the machine you want it to transfer files with. Find Kermit software at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 28 12:07:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28571 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25969 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:07:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail From: "Stephen C. Letchford" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Input commands Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:03:14 -0500 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <768drj$ev1$1@winter.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: U9nhnfThKw7sH6qvQFb81rfXA7P0FqvPUOsXeWfhmLk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Dec 1998 17:06:59 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9686 Lads, and Lasses This is probably a very simple question to answer....but here goes. We are running a surveying software that ports to our data collectors using Kermit and I need to know all the commands available inside Kermit. Are there some commands not shown in the help screen...? Reply to my email Cheers in advance Stephen steveletchford@erols.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 28 13:05:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13856 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29265 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:05:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!van-bc!paralynx!paralynx-3!news.mcs.net!ddsw1!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!nntp.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@08.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Input commands Date: 28 Dec 1998 18:01:28 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 21 Message-ID: <768h1o$iun$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <768drj$ev1$1@winter.news.rcn.net> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9687 Stephen C. Letchford (steveletchford@erols.com) wrote: : We are running a surveying software that ports to our data collectors using : Kermit and I need to know all the commands available inside Kermit. Are : there some commands not shown in the help screen...? Oh, my goodness, yes! ;-) They don't fit on several screens. Since you mention "Input", I suspect that you have already seen working copies of take scripts. You should wander over to http://www.columbia.edu/kermit and locate a book. Or better yet, order a copy of Kermit-95. That way, you'd get the book, and the accompanying CD would have a hyper-text copy of the manual, so you could search/cut/paste as you build new scripts. Scripting is very similar for MSDOS-Kermit, if you are stuck with that, so the manual is still a good thing. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 28 15:05:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15147 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06167 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:05:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!news.west.agis.net!agis!nntp.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@82.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet disconnects Date: 28 Dec 1998 18:07:14 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 52 Message-ID: <768hci$j07$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <765q0e$34l$1@samba.rahul.net> <7661fk$93u$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <76623n$9ep$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9688 Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Take a debug.log and when the connection breaks, look for ECONRESET, : ENETRESET, ECONNABORTED, ENOTCONN, or "Unknown Error". These are the : error types that will result in a disconnect. Hmmm. I don't see those keywords. I've attached some lines at the end of the debug log from a C-Kermit 6.0.192 running on Unixware. . ** KEYB=9 . conchk contyp=1 . in_chk select n=0 . SVORPOSIX myfillbuf=-1 . myfillbuf read=-1 . mygetbuf errno=131 . ttclos ttyfd=3 . ttclos closing net . netclos=3 . netclose setting tn_init = 0 . ttclos ttyfd after netclos=-1 . CKCGETC 1 ttinc(0)=-3 . CONNECT disconnect ibc=0 . CONNECT disconnect obc=0 . ck_sndmsg - notifying parent . pipeint arg=16 . pipeint code=1 . CONNECT signaling port fork . CONNECT killing port fork . CONNECT killed port fork . ttclos ttyfd=3 . ttclos closing net . netclos=3 . netclose setting tn_init = 0 . ttclos ttyfd after netclos=-1 . conres cgmf=1 . conres isatty ok . conres restoring ioctl . ckucon exit ibc=0 . ckucon exit obc=0 . doconect justone 2=0 . doexit exitstat=0 . doexit what=0 . ttclos ttyfd=-1 . conres cgmf=1 . conres isatty ok . conres restoring ioctl . C-Kermit EXIT status=0 -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 28 17:08:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16117 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA12936 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:08:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet disconnects Date: 28 Dec 1998 22:08:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <768vg1$ni8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <765q0e$34l$1@samba.rahul.net> <7661fk$93u$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <76623n$9ep$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <768hci$j07$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9689 In article <768hci$j07$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : : Take a debug.log and when the connection breaks, look for ECONRESET, : : ENETRESET, ECONNABORTED, ENOTCONN, or "Unknown Error". These are the : : error types that will result in a disconnect. : : Hmmm. I don't see those keywords. : I've attached some lines at the end of the debug log from a C-Kermit : 6.0.192 running on Unixware. : : . mygetbuf errno=131 I don't have access to Unixware. What does the errno.h file list error number 131 as on Unixware? Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Dec 28 20:04:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01923 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA24087 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:04:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.5.0.44!nntp.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@82.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet disconnects Date: 28 Dec 1998 23:14:54 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7693de$mgn$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <765q0e$34l$1@samba.rahul.net> <7661fk$93u$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <76623n$9ep$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <768hci$j07$1@samba.rahul.net> <768vg1$ni8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9690 Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : : Take a debug.log and when the connection breaks, look for ECONRESET, : : : ENETRESET, ECONNABORTED, ENOTCONN, or "Unknown Error". These are the : : : error types that will result in a disconnect. : : Hmmm. I don't see those keywords. : : I've attached some lines at the end of the debug log from a C-Kermit : : 6.0.192 running on Unixware. : : : : . mygetbuf errno=131 : I don't have access to Unixware. What does the errno.h file list : error number 131 as on Unixware? ECONRESET ;-( -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 29 09:25:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09458 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00866 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:25:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.itu.ch!ties.itu.int!marsh From: arthur marsh Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet disconnects Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:29:12 +0100 Organization: International Telecommunication Union (ITU) Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <765q0e$34l$1@samba.rahul.net> <7661fk$93u$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <76623n$9ep$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ties.itu.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: sanaga.itu.ch 914938154 16515 156.106.192.33 (29 Dec 1998 13:29:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@itu.int NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Dec 1998 13:29:14 GMT To: Jeffrey Altman X-Sender: marsh@ties.itu.ch In-Reply-To: <76623n$9ep$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9691 Could these disconnect reasons be included with the telnet disconnect message? On 27 Dec 1998, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > The most frequest cause of this kind of disconnect are network errors. > If the TCP/IP stack generates a "Connection Reset" error Kermit disconnects > from the host. This is because the state of the connection is unknown. > A "Connection Reset" error is generated because an unrecoverable loss of > data has occurred. A TCP connection is defined as being reliable and > lossless. Any loss of data MUST be treated as fatal. > > Take a debug.log and when the connection breaks, look for ECONRESET, > ENETRESET, ECONNABORTED, ENOTCONN, or "Unknown Error". These are the > error types that will result in a disconnect. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 29 09:49:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16353 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02099 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:49:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet disconnects Date: 29 Dec 1998 09:46:37 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <76aq0d$ff2@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <765q0e$34l$1@samba.rahul.net> <7661fk$93u$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <76623n$9ep$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9692 In article , arthur marsh wrote: : On 27 Dec 1998, Jeffrey Altman wrote: : : > The most frequest cause of this kind of disconnect are network errors. : > If the TCP/IP stack generates a "Connection Reset" error Kermit disconnects : > from the host. This is because the state of the connection is unknown. : > A "Connection Reset" error is generated because an unrecoverable loss of : > data has occurred. A TCP connection is defined as being reliable and : > lossless. Any loss of data MUST be treated as fatal. : > : > Take a debug.log and when the connection breaks, look for ECONRESET, : > ENETRESET, ECONNABORTED, ENOTCONN, or "Unknown Error". These are the : > error types that will result in a disconnect. : : Could these disconnect reasons be included with the telnet disconnect : message? : It's on our list. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 29 09:57:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18015 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02629 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:57:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <368879C4.1DF38E8C@jps.net> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:42:12 -0800 From: Rico Pepito X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: overflow error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.209.30.136 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.209.30.136 Lines: 4 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.209.30.136 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9693 I 'm using kermit for win3.x @ work .........now we have a new pc w/ win95......we transferred everything to the new pc.........all works fine except for kermit .....i got this overflow error......help....... From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 29 10:09:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21035 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:09:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03302 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:09:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: overflow error Date: 29 Dec 1998 15:09:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <76arbn$ong$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <368879C4.1DF38E8C@jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9694 In article <368879C4.1DF38E8C@jps.net>, Rico Pepito wrote: : I 'm using kermit for win3.x @ work .........now we have a new pc w/ : win95......we transferred everything to the new pc.........all works : fine except for kermit .....i got this overflow error......help....... : Different operating system, different Kermit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 29 12:43:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03784 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:43:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA12340 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:43:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.5.0.44!nntp.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@11.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: overflow error Date: 29 Dec 1998 16:59:49 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 23 Message-ID: <76b1q5$4l2$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <368879C4.1DF38E8C@jps.net> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9695 Rico Pepito (rpp2@jps.net) wrote: : I 'm using kermit for win3.x @ work .........now we have a new pc w/ : win95......we transferred everything to the new pc.........all works : fine except for kermit .....i got this overflow error......help....... Win95? Kermit95. This is also normally an indication of an _old_ version of MS-Kermit. The most recent is 3.15, which does work under Win95 for serial connections. But the new one allows full functionality. Kermit is available on the Internet via anonymous ftp from host watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2] http://www.columbia.edu/kermit kermit/read.me kermit/bin/read.me explain file locations. MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC with DOS or Windows: kermit/bin/msvibm.zip. FTP in binary mode, unzip on your PC. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 29 13:14:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12079 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14006 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:14:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: overflow error Date: 29 Dec 1998 18:14:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <76b65l$1g0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <368879C4.1DF38E8C@jps.net> <76b1q5$4l2$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9696 In article <76b1q5$4l2$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Rico Pepito (rpp2@jps.net) wrote: : : I 'm using kermit for win3.x @ work .........now we have a new pc w/ : : win95......we transferred everything to the new pc.........all works : : fine except for kermit .....i got this overflow error......help....... : : Win95? Kermit95. : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html : This is also normally an indication of an _old_ version of MS-Kermit. : The most recent is 3.15, which does work under Win95 for serial : connections. But the new one allows full functionality. : We don't recommend this except for people who really know what they are doing, since most PCs these days come with devices that don't work with MS-DOS Kermit, e.g. Winmodems, which MS-DOS Kermit can't even see, let alone use. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Dec 29 18:27:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19449 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA04049 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:27:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet disconnects Message-ID: Date: 28 Dec 98 16:46:23 MDT References: <765q0e$34l$1@samba.rahul.net> <768vg1$ni8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9697 In article <768vg1$ni8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > In article <768hci$j07$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: > : Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : > : : Take a debug.log and when the connection breaks, look for ECONRESET, > : : ENETRESET, ECONNABORTED, ENOTCONN, or "Unknown Error". These are the > : : error types that will result in a disconnect. > : > : Hmmm. I don't see those keywords. > : I've attached some lines at the end of the debug log from a C-Kermit > : 6.0.192 running on Unixware. > : > : . mygetbuf errno=131 > > I don't have access to Unixware. What does the errno.h file list > error number 131 as on Unixware? --------- Which version of UnixWare? Always important to know. On UW 7.01, 131 is ECONNRESET connection reset by peer Problems of this kind are frequent. Their cause is often another station using the same IP number as yours. MS Windows machines can do this. When they occur have a look in the ARP cache of the remote host or a router, if possible. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 30 15:19:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06082 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07022 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:19:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problem testing out my modem with Kermit Date: 30 Dec 1998 20:19:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-ID: <76e1rt$cmo$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <368917ec.0@news.total.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.networking:162105 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9698 In article <368917ec.0@news.total.net>, Stephane et Sophie wrote: : I would like to try out my modem using Kermit (6.0) : before configuring the ppp connection with my Redhat 5.1, : as it is suggested in the howto. : I have a modem connected to /dev/ttyS3, but Kermit says : "/dev/ttyS3 is not a terminal device"... : That is because isatty("/dev/ttyS3") returns 0, meaning, "no, this device is NOT a tty" (terminal device; i.e. a serial port). : Can anybody tells me what goes wrong ? : It's probably a Winmodem. See below. : Here is the session: : : #kermit : Warning: terminal type unknown: "xterm" : This is because Kermit tries to initialize the curses library (so it can put up a curses-based fullscreen file-transfer display whenever you transfer files), but your curses library does not recognize the name "xterm". Solution: make sure there is an xterm entry in your termcap/terminfo database (I can't imagine why there isn't one already). : What about the default TEXT mode (and not BINARY as in the example : of the howto) ? : That has to do only with transferring files, but since you are only using Kermit to poke at your modem, this has no relevance. Thus you can ignore this message as well as the one about unknown terminal type. : My modem is a "Win cruise V. 90, internal 56K PCI Faxmodem with : VoiceMail and Caller ID". I am not sure if it is a winmodem or not, : since it is not written explecitely, but may it is ? How can I be sure ? : You definitely can't tell by looking at it. Most new PCs come with a no-name Winmodem built in. These devices simply can not be used by Linux or any other non-Windows operating system. "/dev/ttyS3 is not a terminal device" is a good indication that this is not a real serial device. The fact that your modem has "Win" in its name is an ever stronger indication. Anybody who reads this newsgroup with any regularity knows what comes next: go buy yourself a real modem, and let's hope your PC has at least one real COM port to connect it to! Meanwhile, lodge a vigorous complaint with your PC vendor. External modems are recommended for more reasons than can be counted -- they are well worth the extra few dollars. - Frank P.S. I suggest that future versions of Linux add the following to : #define xxx EWINMODEM ; Process attempted to open or use a Winmodem so that applications can give informative messages to users :-) (I'm only 1/4 serious -- the software needed to figure out if a device is a Winmodem is probably no more feasible than the software that would be needed to use it.) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 30 18:35:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26162 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18416 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:35:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.5.0.44!nntp.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!news.rt66.com!not-for-mail From: klingler@news.rt66.com (Dave Klingler) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problem testing out my modem with Kermit Date: 30 Dec 1998 16:32:34 -0700 Organization: Rt66 Internet Lines: 51 Distribution: world Message-ID: <76ed6i$7sd$1@shell.rt66.com> References: <368917ec.0@news.total.net> <76e1rt$cmo$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <76e7n2$nv1$1@samba.rahul.net> <76ec3f$7oe$1@shell.rt66.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.rt66.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.networking:162145 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9699 Found it, courtesy of Altavista, in a previous post by Frank (in which he pointed to http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html). By the way, Frank, seeing your name made me run to my bookshelf. Unless I'm mistaken, you wrote one of my greenest books. Thanks! Dave In article <76ec3f$7oe$1@shell.rt66.com>, Dave Klingler wrote: >Hi everybody. I'm attempting to do a similar thing; talk interactively >with my ISDN modem before I actually write a chat script. I've got a >minimally configured firewall with very few packages installed, and kermit >is missing. I've done searches on the Redhat and Caldera sites for >kermit; I *know* it must be on the distribution disc, but I haven't found >it. Can someone please tell me where kermit normally gets installed, and >what package contains it? If you're feeling really kind, throw me an ftp >link. > >Thanks! >Dave Klingler > > >In article <76e7n2$nv1$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: >>: Stephane et Sophie wrote: >>: : I would like to try out my modem using Kermit (6.0) >>: : before configuring the ppp connection with my Redhat 5.1, >>: : as it is suggested in the howto. >> >>: : Warning: terminal type unknown: "xterm" >> >>If this is the Kermit RPM, there is a small bug, using it on Redhat 5.1 >>It is looking for a terminfo directory that doesn't exist. >>I don't have RedHat available at the moment, but as I recall, you now have >>a /usr/share/terminfo, where the package expects /usr/lib/terminfo. >>To fix: >>cd /usr/share >>ln -s terminfo ../lib >> >>After that, it worked fine. >> >>I used /dev/modem as my port, which is linked to an appropriate port, >>if a modem is found. >> >>-- >>--- >>Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net >> - Pope Valley & Napa CA. > > From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 30 19:11:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03837 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20186 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:11:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!158.43.192.17!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.rt66.com!not-for-mail From: klingler@news.rt66.com (Dave Klingler) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problem testing out my modem with Kermit Date: 30 Dec 1998 16:13:51 -0700 Organization: Rt66 Internet Lines: 40 Distribution: world Message-ID: <76ec3f$7oe$1@shell.rt66.com> References: <368917ec.0@news.total.net> <76e1rt$cmo$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <76e7n2$nv1$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.rt66.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.networking:162157 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9700 Hi everybody. I'm attempting to do a similar thing; talk interactively with my ISDN modem before I actually write a chat script. I've got a minimally configured firewall with very few packages installed, and kermit is missing. I've done searches on the Redhat and Caldera sites for kermit; I *know* it must be on the distribution disc, but I haven't found it. Can someone please tell me where kermit normally gets installed, and what package contains it? If you're feeling really kind, throw me an ftp link. Thanks! Dave Klingler In article <76e7n2$nv1$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: >: Stephane et Sophie wrote: >: : I would like to try out my modem using Kermit (6.0) >: : before configuring the ppp connection with my Redhat 5.1, >: : as it is suggested in the howto. > >: : Warning: terminal type unknown: "xterm" > >If this is the Kermit RPM, there is a small bug, using it on Redhat 5.1 >It is looking for a terminfo directory that doesn't exist. >I don't have RedHat available at the moment, but as I recall, you now have >a /usr/share/terminfo, where the package expects /usr/lib/terminfo. >To fix: >cd /usr/share >ln -s terminfo ../lib > >After that, it worked fine. > >I used /dev/modem as my port, which is linked to an appropriate port, >if a modem is found. > >-- >--- >Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 30 20:45:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21455 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA25965 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:45:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <368AD72B.8F557F81@velocity.net> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:45:15 -0500 From: "Bob Cronmiller P.E." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit95 dialer triggers winsock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: bd63.velocity.net X-Trace: 30 Dec 1998 20:48:04 -0500, bd63.velocity.net Lines: 8 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.velocity.net!bd63.velocity.net Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9701 My K95 dialer always triggers my winsock (Trumpet 4.0c), even if I am using a direct connection to control the satellite receiver, or dialing another computer. All I do is "kill" the winsock and proceed but it is a nuisance. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Dec 30 21:23:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23629 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA28012 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:23:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit95 dialer triggers winsock Date: 31 Dec 1998 02:23:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <76en6u$ndb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <368AD72B.8F557F81@velocity.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9702 In article <368AD72B.8F557F81@velocity.net>, Bob Cronmiller P.E. wrote: : My K95 dialer always triggers my winsock (Trumpet 4.0c), even if I am : : using a direct connection to control the satellite receiver, or dialing : : another computer. All I do is "kill" the winsock and proceed but it is : : a nuisance. : The dialer does not contain any networking code. Therefore, it cannot trigger Winsock. I assume that you mean that when K95.EXE starts Trumpet is started. When K95 starts it attempts to determine the IP address of the local machine. This does not cause a similar behavior on other Winsocks. Therefore, I would recommend you report this as a bug to the makers of Trumpet. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 4 14:53:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27764 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05073 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:53:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!hammer.msfc.nasa.gov!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: news@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov Sender: gericom@usa.net Reply-To: bitbucket@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov Subject: cmsg cancel <75tan5$gjq$1940@fe2.cs.interbusiness.it> Control: cancel <75tan5$gjq$1940@fe2.cs.interbusiness.it> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: hammer.msfc.nasa.gov X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: http://www.msfc.nasa.gov Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:01:21 GMT Approved: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Canceled-By: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Orig-Path: news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!not-for-mail X-Orig-Subject: The Interactive Dance Compilation you can play and Mix on your PC!! 5992 X-Orig-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.223.235.200 X-Cancel-ID: 0C@SBYNNQ)*][?_C(C4<7G)H8[O+WO3"[1TO$U)E3(ZBF)/K^PXD\AU- Lines: 2 Xref: news.columbia.edu control.cancel:64299466 Canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 4 22:16:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05867 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 22:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00338 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 22:16:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news2.best.com!news1.best.com!204.247.247.47.MISMATCH!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail From: "Den" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: control printer Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:14:52 -0000 Organization: Verio Northern California's Usenet News Service Lines: 6 Message-ID: <76rpcn$c7d$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: quincy38.psln.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9703 Is there a way to control a printer from k95. Can I send commands to a printer to make it switch to landscape mode and print in a different font? Dennis From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 4 23:19:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA11339 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA04024 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:19:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: control printer Date: 5 Jan 1999 04:19:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <76s3rl$9gs$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <76rpcn$c7d$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9704 In article <76rpcn$c7d$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Den wrote: : Is there a way to control a printer from k95. Can I send commands to a : printer to make it switch to landscape mode and print in a different font? : : Dennis : : You can insert the proper command sequences into a SET PRINTER /JOB-HEADER-FILE: which will switch to the appropriate mode and font. The contents of the job header file will be prepended to the output of each print request from the host. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 4 23:32:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA13231 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA04787 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:32:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.voicenet.com!news2.voicenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Christopher Mosley Subject: Re: control printer Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <76rpcn$c7d$1@news.ncal.verio.com> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980514 (UNIX) (SunOS/5.6 (sun4m)) Lines: 25 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 04:31:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.71.48.250 X-Trace: news2.voicenet.com 915510710 209.71.48.250 (Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:31:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:31:50 EDT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9705 Den wrote: > Is there a way to control a printer from k95. Can I send commands to a > printer to make it switch to landscape mode and print in a different font? > Dennis I would think so, the codes for controlling the printer are documented in the manual that comes with the printer. These codes are what makes a word processor file different from a text file. By running small programs that send these codes to the printer using the kermit run command you could change the behavior of the printer. I don't know but conflicts might occur if you were to try to send escape sequences within the the print escape sequence or try to print a file with embedded codes using the print escape sequence if you were printing from a remote system. But you could set up a printer by running these local programs from the remote using apc or the incredibly amazing remote and local procedures? that may be coming in the next release of kermit. If k95 allows you to select a printer and has some built in mechanism to accomplish this - I have no idea. just guessing From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 4 23:41:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA14396 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:41:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA05484 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:41:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.voicenet.com!news2.voicenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Christopher Mosley Subject: Re: control printer Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <76rpcn$c7d$1@news.ncal.verio.com> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980514 (UNIX) (SunOS/5.6 (sun4m)) Lines: 30 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 04:41:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.71.48.250 X-Trace: news2.voicenet.com 915511266 209.71.48.250 (Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:41:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:41:06 EDT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9706 Christopher Mosley wrote: > Den wrote: >> Is there a way to control a printer from k95. Can I send commands to a >> printer to make it switch to landscape mode and print in a different font? >> Dennis > I would think so, the codes for controlling the printer are documented in > the manual that comes with the printer. These codes are what makes a word > processor file different from a text file. By running small programs > that send these codes to the printer using the kermit run command you could > change the behavior of the printer. I don't know but conflicts might > occur if you were to try to send escape sequences within the the print > escape sequence or try to print a file with embedded codes using the > print escape sequence if you were printing from a remote system. > But you could set up a printer by running these local programs from > the remote using apc or the incredibly amazing remote and local > procedures? that may be coming in the next release of kermit. > If k95 allows you to select a printer and has some built > in mechanism to accomplish this - I have no idea. > just guessing > But I can see my speculating was in vain, and from Jeffrey Altmans response; I see there is already a mechanism to accomplish this. Geesh From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 5 02:08:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA14015 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 02:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA13143 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 02:08:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3690CA49.BBB68321@isltd.insignia.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:04:10 +0000 From: dave X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help-CP/M to Mac Xfrs fail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Insignia Solutions plc (proxy0 cache) Cache-Post-Path: proxy0.isltd.insignia.com!unknown@millenium.isltd.insignia.com NNTP-Posting-Host: proxy0.isltd.insignia.com X-Trace: 4 Jan 1999 14:04:09 GMT, proxy0.isltd.insignia.com Lines: 15 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news1.best.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.tli.de!isdnet!psinet-fr!uknet!nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net!proxy0.isltd.insignia.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9707 If anyone remembers what a PCW8512 was :-), can you pls help. Setup is Kermit-80 v3.9a on the PCW, and version 0.993 on the Mac, both with default settings, using a straight cable to connect the serial port of the RS-232 attachment on PCW to Mac modem port. I have sent several text files from PCW to Mac successfully, using "send (file)" on CP/M followed by "Receive file" on Mac.But lots of times the send fails with "Unable to rcv acknowledgement from host" on the CP/M side and then "Sent too many NAKs" on the Mac. Does not appear to be a simple h/w problem, as packets rcvd on Mac match number of zeros displayed on CP/M, so the 2 Kermits are still talking. Thanks for any help you can give Dave Richemont From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 5 03:48:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA23573 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 03:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA18699 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 03:48:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news1.best.com!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!128.158.254.10!news.msfc.nasa.gov!hammer.msfc.nasa.gov!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: news@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov Sender: bdptnt@ggggg.ggg Reply-To: bitbucket@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov Subject: cmsg cancel <766j3t$rk81068@www1.siast.sk.ca> Control: cancel <766j3t$rk81068@www1.siast.sk.ca> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: hammer.msfc.nasa.gov X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: http://www.msfc.nasa.gov Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:52:16 GMT Approved: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Canceled-By: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Orig-Path: newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.bc.net!mongol.sasknet.sk.ca!www.siast.sk.ca!news_admin@siast.sk.ca X-Orig-Subject: 100s of FREE products! 9456 X-Orig-NNTP-Posting-Host: 170-236-198.ipt.aol.com X-Cancel-ID: ,G;!&3%$4B#[W>^805313F*F\4EA=()0*PT?R'&$`7Z2UB%YD:2R@%L] Lines: 2 Xref: news.columbia.edu control.cancel:64331205 Canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 5 07:38:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA15949 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 07:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA02639 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 07:38:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news1.best.com!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!128.158.254.10!news.msfc.nasa.gov!hammer.msfc.nasa.gov!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: news@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov Sender: qiokxf@ggggg.ggg Reply-To: bitbucket@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov Subject: cmsg cancel <7646je$r691130@www1.siast.sk.ca> Control: cancel <7646je$r691130@www1.siast.sk.ca> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: hammer.msfc.nasa.gov X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: http://www.msfc.nasa.gov Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:19:47 GMT Approved: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Canceled-By: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Orig-Path: europa.clark.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!mongol.sasknet.sk.ca!www.siast.sk.ca!news_admin@siast.sk.ca X-Orig-Subject: FREE XXX 6381 X-Orig-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-88-110.ipt.aol.com X-Cancel-ID: P`H#6WJ-E&*/:WT80U91W/`Z,XNJO<22OYNM2'.&@0P@:F.[VNWTPN_+ Lines: 2 Xref: news.columbia.edu control.cancel:64343250 Canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 5 10:05:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02801 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11517 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:05:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help-CP/M to Mac Xfrs fail Date: 5 Jan 1999 15:05:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <76t9nf$s6t$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3690CA49.BBB68321@isltd.insignia.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9708 In article <3690CA49.BBB68321@isltd.insignia.com>, dave wrote: : If anyone remembers what a PCW8512 was :-), can you pls help. : Setup is Kermit-80 v3.9a on the PCW, and version 0.993 on the Mac, both : with default settings, using a straight cable to connect the serial port : of the RS-232 attachment on PCW to Mac modem port. : I have sent several text files from PCW to Mac successfully, using "send : (file)" on CP/M followed by "Receive file" on Mac.But lots of times the : send fails with "Unable to rcv acknowledgement from host" on the CP/M : side and then "Sent too many NAKs" on the Mac. Does not appear to be a : simple h/w problem, as packets rcvd on Mac match number of zeros : displayed on CP/M, so the 2 Kermits are still talking. : Unfortunately, neither CP/M nor Mac Kermit have good facilities for debugging file transfer failures, such as packet logs. However, sending to the Mac should not be as problematic as sending to CP/M, since CP/M tends to "cut out" for long periods of time while writing to the disk. Suggestions: 1. Tell CP/M Kermit to "set flow on" and Mac Kermit to use Xon/Xoff flow control. 2. Make sure the cable didn't wiggle loose. 3. Try the current version of CP/M Kermit, which is 4.11: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cpm.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 5 10:22:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06572 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA12350 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:22:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!btnet-peer!btnet-feed1!btnet!news-reader.bt.net!not-for-mail From: "Jonathan McCormack" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Buying Kermit 95 In UK Lines: 18 Organization: Belfast City Council UIST X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:23:24 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.99.133.2 X-Trace: news-reader.bt.net 915549767 195.99.133.2 (Tue, 05 Jan 1999 15:22:47 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 15:22:47 BST Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9709 Hi, My company is thinking of buying a few copies of Kermit 95, but I can't seem to find a seller in the UK Anybody know anyone? Thanks Jonathan --- "What a start to my Grand Prix career. I get punched by Senna in my first race, crash in my second, destroy four cars in my third and get banned from my fourth. People are going to think I'm some kind of nutter." - Eddie Irvine 1994 Irv The Swerve @ http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7864 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 5 10:33:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10450 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13044 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:33:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Buying Kermit 95 In UK Date: 5 Jan 1999 15:33:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <76tbbi$t2h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9710 In article , Jonathan McCormack wrote: : My company is thinking of buying a few copies of Kermit 95, but I can't seem : to find a seller in the UK : : Anybody know anyone? : The Kermit 95 web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Lists distributors in various countries, including: Software Paradise Avenue House King Edward Avenue Caerphilly CF83 1HE http://www.softwareparadise.co.uk - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 5 10:54:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15350 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14158 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:54:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!van-bc!paralynx!paralynx-3!paralynx!paralynx-1!cyclone.bc.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: "Tim Hedger" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem building Kermit for Linux (Redhat 5.2) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:50:25 -0000 Lines: 202 Message-ID: <76tcce$f8b$1@newnews.global.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.137.47 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9711 I've downloaded the latest version of kermit (release 192) for linux from mit.columbia.edu, and tried to build it under Linux on my PC. I'm getting all sorts of compilation errors when I try to build (using make linux) to do with duplicate symbols. The only reference to expected compilation errors I can find in the documentation, is to do with the file serial.h - but my errors are different from this (and I've tried the fix suggested for this - which doesn't make any difference). Has anyone had a similar problem - who can offer me advice on what to do ? Output from make linux: =============================================================== Making C-Kermit "6.0.192" for Linux... IMPORTANT: Read the comments in the linux section of the makefile if you get compilation or link errors. make wermit "CC = gcc" "CC2 = gcc" \ "CFLAGS = -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG \ -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND " \ "LNKFLAGS = " "LIBS = -lcurses -ltermcap" make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/bin/kermit192' gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckcmai.c -o ckcmai.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckucmd.c -o ckucmd.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuusr.c -o ckuusr.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus2.c -o ckuus2.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus3.c -o ckuus3.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus4.c -o ckuus4.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus5.c -o ckuus5.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus6.c -o ckuus6.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus7.c -o ckuus7.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuusx.c -o ckuusx.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuusy.c -o ckuusy.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckwart.c -o ckwart.o gcc -o wart ckwart.o -lcurses -ltermcap ./wart ckcpro.w ckcpro.c 14 states, 61 actions gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckcpro.c -o ckcpro.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckcfns.c -o ckcfns.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckcfn2.c -o ckcfn2.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckcfn3.c -o ckcfn3.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuxla.c -o ckuxla.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckucon.c -o ckucon.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckutio.c -o ckutio.o In file included from /usr/include/linux/net.h:23, from /usr/include/linux/fs.h:15, from ckutio.c:668: /usr/include/linux/socket.h:38: warning: `SCM_RIGHTS' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:222: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:41: warning: `SOCK_STREAM' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:40: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:42: warning: `SOCK_DGRAM' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:43: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:43: warning: `SOCK_RAW' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:45: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:44: warning: `SOCK_RDM' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:47: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:45: warning: `SOCK_SEQPACKET' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:50: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:46: warning: `SOCK_PACKET' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:54: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:53: warning: `AF_UNSPEC' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:82: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:54: warning: `AF_UNIX' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:84: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:55: warning: `AF_INET' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:86: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:56: warning: `AF_AX25' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:87: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:57: warning: `AF_IPX' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:88: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:58: warning: `AF_APPLETALK' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:89: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:59: warning: `AF_NETROM' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:90: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:60: warning: `AF_BRIDGE' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:91: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:61: warning: `AF_AAL5' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:92: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:62: warning: `AF_X25' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:93: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:66: warning: `AF_ROSE' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:95: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:67: warning: `AF_MAX' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:103: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:68: warning: `AF_PACKET' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:102: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:71: warning: `PF_UNSPEC' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:58: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:72: warning: `PF_UNIX' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:60: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:73: warning: `PF_INET' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:62: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:74: warning: `PF_AX25' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:63: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:75: warning: `PF_IPX' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:64: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:76: warning: `PF_APPLETALK' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:65: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:77: warning: `PF_NETROM' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:66: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:78: warning: `PF_BRIDGE' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:67: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:79: warning: `PF_AAL5' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:68: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:80: warning: `PF_X25' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:69: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:84: warning: `PF_ROSE' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:71: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:85: warning: `PF_MAX' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:79: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:86: warning: `PF_PACKET' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:78: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:91: warning: `MSG_OOB' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:137: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:92: warning: `MSG_PEEK' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:139: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:93: warning: `MSG_DONTROUTE' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:141: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:95: warning: `MSG_PROXY' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:145: warning: this is the location of the previous definition In file included from /usr/include/linux/net.h:23, from /usr/include/linux/fs.h:15, from ckutio.c:668: /usr/include/linux/socket.h:9: redefinition of `struct sockaddr' /usr/include/linux/socket.h:14: redefinition of `struct linger' /usr/include/linux/socket.h:26: redefinition of `struct msghdr' ckutio.c: In function `ttsspd': ckutio.c:4679: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function) ckutio.c:4679: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ckutio.c:4679: for each function it appears in.) ckutio.c:4685: `TIOCSSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function) ckutio.c: In function `ttgspd': ckutio.c:4833: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function) ckutio.c: In function `in_chk': ckutio.c:6092: warning: passing arg 3 of `select' from incompatible pointer type ckutio.c:6092: warning: passing arg 4 of `select' from incompatible pointer type make[1]: *** [ckutio.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/bin/kermit192' make: *** [linux] Error 2 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 5 11:10:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19505 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15282 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:10:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem building Kermit for Linux (Redhat 5.2) Date: 5 Jan 1999 16:10:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <76tdhg$16g$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <76tcce$f8b$1@newnews.global.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9712 In article <76tcce$f8b$1@newnews.global.net.uk>, Tim Hedger wrote: : I've downloaded the latest version of kermit (release 192) for linux from : mit.columbia.edu, and tried to build it under Linux on my PC. : : I'm getting all sorts of compilation errors when I try to build (using make : linux) to do with duplicate symbols. The only reference to expected : compilation errors I can find in the documentation, is to do with the file : serial.h - but my errors are different from this (and I've tried the fix : suggested for this - which doesn't make any difference). : : Has anyone had a similar problem - who can offer me advice on what to do ? : Linux has changed since C-Kermit 6.0.192 was released. We're working on a new version of C-Kermit which will be announced soon. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 5 16:20:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14910 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA02946 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:20:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!128.119.166.60!umass.edu!amhnt2.amherst.edu!not-for-mail From: jwmanly+news@amherst.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Trouble with C-Kermit and TRANSMIT Date: 5 Jan 1999 16:14:29 -0500 Organization: Amherst College Lines: 26 Sender: "John W. Manly" Message-ID: <369280b5.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: amhnt2.amherst.edu User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980730 (UNIX) (OSF1/V4.0 (alpha)) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9713 Hi there. I've been trying to use the C-KERMIT TRANSMIT command on our VAX/VMS system, and have been having some trouble. The problem seems to be that the TRANSMIT command only sends the first line of the file if the other side of the connection is set in NOECHO mode, and in particular is not sending back carriage returns and line feeds following each line that C-Kermit transmits. So for example, if I use C-Kermit to connect to an interactive system that does normal remote echoing of characters, everything works fine. If I TRANSMIT a multi-line file, each successive line is sent to the remote system. However, if the remote system is NOT set up to echo what is typed, and then I do a TRANSMIT of a multi-line file, I find that only the first line of the file is actually sent, though the TRANSMIT command does complete and return me to the C-KERMIT> prompt after a moment. It seems to me I ran into this problem before when I was trying to use C-KERMIT to script some NNTP dialog using the TRANSMIT function, and I don't think I ever found a workaround or even managed to figure out exactly what wasn't working. Does anybody know a way to fix this? What parameters (handshake, etc) might effect the line-by-line operation of the TRANSMIT command like this? Thanks for any help. - John W. Manly From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 5 16:30:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17199 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA03493 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:30:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Trouble with C-Kermit and TRANSMIT Date: 5 Jan 1999 21:30:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <76u094$bi3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <369280b5.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9714 In article <369280b5.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu>, wrote: : Hi there. I've been trying to use the C-KERMIT TRANSMIT command on our : VAX/VMS system, and have been having some trouble. The problem seems to be : that the TRANSMIT command only sends the first line of the file if the other : side of the connection is set in NOECHO mode, and in particular is not : sending back carriage returns and line feeds following each line that : C-Kermit transmits. : Right, that's exactly what it does unless you tell it otherwise. : So for example, if I use C-Kermit to connect to an interactive system that : does normal remote echoing of characters, everything works fine. If I : TRANSMIT a multi-line file, each successive line is sent to the remote : system. However, if the remote system is NOT set up to echo what is typed, : and then I do a TRANSMIT of a multi-line file, I find that only the first : line of the file is actually sent, though the TRANSMIT command does complete : and return me to the C-KERMIT> prompt after a moment. : : It seems to me I ran into this problem before when I was trying to use : C-KERMIT to script some NNTP dialog using the TRANSMIT function, and I don't : think I ever found a workaround or even managed to figure out exactly what : wasn't working. : : Does anybody know a way to fix this? What parameters (handshake, etc) might : effect the line-by-line operation of the TRANSMIT command like this? : Try telling it to: set transmit prompt 0 This means, "don't wait for anything before sending the next line". - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 6 03:25:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA22113 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 03:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA09533 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 03:25:10 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-in.ConnActivity.com!fcshome!fredex From: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us (fred smith) Subject: Re: Problem building Kermit for Linux (Redhat 5.2) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Organization: None! Message-ID: References: <76tcce$f8b$1@newnews.global.net.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:40:46 GMT Lines: 17 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9715 Tim Hedger (news@hedger.globalnet.co.uk) wrote: : I've downloaded the latest version of kermit (release 192) for linux from : mit.columbia.edu, and tried to build it under Linux on my PC. : I'm getting all sorts of compilation errors when I try to build (using make I think the canonical answer is that you'll have the easiest time of it if you get 6.0.193 beta and build it. it reportedly builds MUCH better on late (glibc) Linux systems than 6.0.192. In fact I'm going to find out myself real soon now, having recently installed 5.2. Fred -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ----------------------------- For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord ------------------------------ Romans 6:23 (niv) ------------------------------ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 6 05:30:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA03805 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA16517 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:30:18 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.new-york.net!news.spc.edu!not-for-mail From: Terry Kennedy Subject: Re: Help-CP/M to Mac Xfrs fail X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970527; i386 BSD/OS 3.1] X-Complaints-To: Email abuse@spc.edu if this posting is inappropriate NNTP-Posting-Host: spcunb.spc.edu Organization: St. Peter's College, US Message-ID: References: <3690CA49.BBB68321@isltd.insignia.com> <76t9nf$s6t$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> X-Trace: spcuna.spc.edu 915617310 11891 terry [192.107.46.132] Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:08:30 GMT Lines: 27 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9716 Frank da Cruz writes: > However, sending to the Mac should not be as problematic as sending to CP/M, > since CP/M tends to "cut out" for long periods of time while writing to the > disk. I've got to make a comment here, since I used to design boxes running CP/M (and stranger flavors - the company I was with had the only MP/NOS licenses ever issued). It's perfectly possible to make hardware that could sustain very high input and output rates. All that's needed is interrupt-driven input and output and buffers larger than a Kermit packet. A DMA-based disk controller also helps (otherwise interrupts tend to be disabled for long-ish periods of time). As an example, A. C. Clarke's "2010 - Odyssey 2" was entered for typesetting by 4 operators (the other 2 were doing one of the Gardiner Bonds) on one of my MP/M designs, with a single 4MHz Z-80, with WordStar, in an afternoon. My later designs used a processor for each user which greatly simplified the interrupt system (at the expense of much more complicated synchronization between the processors). We now return you to your regularly scheduled Kermit questions 8-} Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing terry@spcvxa.spc.edu St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA +1 201 915 9381 (voice) +1 201 435-3662 (FAX) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 6 12:07:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09252 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA28654 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:07:26 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!spamkiller1.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: "Tim Hedger" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using kermit when not logged in as root Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:41:58 -0000 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <76vso2$bc8$1@newnews.global.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.136.194 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9717 I've set up Kermit (using the Redhat rpm installation) on my Redhat 5.2 Linux machine. Having spent some time getting it configured properly (with entries in the relevant init files to configure the modem etc) as root, I logged on as another user and tried to use it. I got errors in the startup of kermit, when it tried to SET LINE /dev/modem - I got "permission denied" - the same thing happened when I issued the command manually. I'm able to use minicom to communicate through the same modem using this non-root user, so I'm not sure what the permission denied problem is. Any ideas anyone? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 6 12:25:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14576 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29719 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:25:16 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Using kermit when not logged in as root Date: 6 Jan 1999 17:25:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <77069p$ark$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <76vso2$bc8$1@newnews.global.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9718 comp.os.linux.misc:323436 In article <76vso2$bc8$1@newnews.global.net.uk>, Tim Hedger wrote: : I've set up Kermit (using the Redhat rpm installation) on my Redhat 5.2 : Linux machine. : : Having spent some time getting it configured properly (with entries in the : relevant init files to configure the modem etc) as root, I logged on as : another user and tried to use it. : : I got errors in the startup of kermit, when it tried to SET LINE : /dev/modem - I got "permission denied" - the same thing happened when I : issued the command manually. : : I'm able to use minicom to communicate through the same modem using this : non-root user, so I'm not sure what the permission denied problem is. : Because minicom is setuid and/or setgid to the groups and/or users who have write access to the UUCP lockfile directory and/or the dialout device. Please read the UNIX appendix of "Using C-Kermit" or the section of ckuins.doc (C-Kermit for UNIX Installation Instructions) on "Dialing Out and Coordinating with UUCP". The same obstacles must be dealt with in UNIX no matter what communication software you are installing. Minicom happened to come preinstalled this way so you didn't notice it. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 6 14:53:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29738 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07970 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:53:22 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem building C-Kermit on Linux (Redhat) 5.2 Date: 6 Jan 1999 19:53:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <770evh$fj3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <76tceq$f94$1@newnews.global.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.networking:162982 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9719 In article <76tceq$f94$1@newnews.global.net.uk>, Tim Hedger wrote: : I've downloaded the latest version of kermit (release 192) for linux from : mit.columbia.edu, and tried to build it under Linux on my PC. : You mean kermit.columbia.edu. : I'm getting all sorts of compilation errors when I try to build... : In any case, version 192 is not the latest. Version 6.1 is in Beta test, and does not have the problems you report (note that these problems came up because of changes in Linux *after* C-Kermit 6.0.192 was released): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html In a few days, I expect to be announcing C-Kermit 7.0 for public testing. It builds fine in all the latest releases of Red Hat, Slackware, etc. vek@pharmnl.ohout.pharmapartners.nl (Villy Kruse) wrote: : Try look for kermit on the redhat site. : No, please always get Kermit from the Kermit site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Nobody should be distributing "fixed" versions of Kermit except Columbia. Anybody who has fixes should send them in to us and not post them elsewhere, since then they take on a life of their own, and soon multiple incompatible versions begin to float around, which always come back to haunt us, sometimes as much as 10 years later. : As far as I remember there is : an SRPMS file which contians the compile and patch files, but not the : tar.gz file, which you need to get separately from Columbia University. : (License restriction). The problem is that you should NOT #include : anything from /usr/inlcude/linux. This is a thing of the past. : Right. That's why we have new versions. In the past, we needed to include kernel headers in order to get at high serial speeds, which nobody could live without. Now high serial speeds are obtained in a natural way. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 6 18:05:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28394 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18969 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:05:33 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!solomon.io.com!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!not-for-mail From: "Brian Reid" Newsgroups: comp.os.os9,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.groups.os.os9 Subject: Skewed image data when transferred with Kermit Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:46:16 -0600 Organization: The University of Texas at Dallas Lines: 21 Message-ID: <770osj$omd$1@news.utdallas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc09186.utdallas.edu X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.os9:12918 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9720 I am trying to use kermit95 to transfer 8 bit row ordered SEM image data from a Tracor Northern 8502 image analysis system (running OS-9) to a PC (running Windows98) using a serial connection. The files appear to transfer successfully, however, the image features are skewed when viewed using NIH image. For example, a square feature would appear as a parallelogram with the bottom side moved to the right. When I try to send the file back to the OS9 system, the TN8502 software indicates that the image bin is too small to hold the image data. Is there any possibility that Kermit is adding bits somewhere in the binary file? Could the file be getting corrupted somehow in the transfer? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Brian Reid Doctor of Chemistry Program University of Texas at Dallas breid@utdallas.edu (972)-883-2709 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 6 19:40:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24847 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA24706 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:40:52 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.os9,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Skewed image data when transferred with Kermit Date: 7 Jan 1999 00:40:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <770vqi$p6j$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <770osj$omd$1@news.utdallas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.os9:12920 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9721 In article <770osj$omd$1@news.utdallas.edu>, Brian Reid wrote: : I am trying to use kermit95 to transfer 8 bit row ordered SEM image data : from a Tracor Northern 8502 image analysis system (running OS-9) to a PC : (running Windows98) using a serial connection. The files appear to transfer : successfully, however, the image features are skewed when viewed using NIH : image. For example, a square feature would appear as a parallelogram with : the bottom side moved to the right. When I try to send the file back to the : OS9 system, the TN8502 software indicates that the image bin is too small to : hold the image data. : : Is there any possibility that Kermit is adding bits somewhere in the binary : file? Could the file be getting corrupted somehow in the transfer? : I should hope not. What version of Kermit do you have on OS-9? Did you tell it to "set file type binary" prior to transfer? If you did, and you still experience this problem, please contact us directly at: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 01:35:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA17587 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA12966 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:35:08 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!nntp1.wolfe.net!news.wolfe.net!not-for-mail From: "Baus" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit 3.14 and Win 98 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:23:45 -0800 Organization: Baus & Associates Lines: 12 Message-ID: <771jml$fs1$1@sparky.wolfe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust-141-68.as03.sttl.eli.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9722 Any know issues with 3.14 and Win 98? We have an old, old DOS app that runs fine on Win 95, first time we tried to use it on a Win 98 PC, Kermit does not want to recognize the internal (unfortunately) modems address. The PC thinks it is 02f8 but kermit gives an error about unknown address assumes, you guessed it, 02f8 but can not get the modem to work. Also wants to use the bios instead of com2: Thanks, Steve From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 01:52:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA02286 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA13898 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:52:56 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit 3.14 and Win 98 Date: 7 Jan 1999 06:52:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <771lk7$6mu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <771jml$fs1$1@sparky.wolfe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9723 In article <771jml$fs1$1@sparky.wolfe.net>, Baus wrote: : Any know issues with 3.14 and Win 98? We have an old, old DOS app that runs : fine on Win 95, first time we tried to use it on a Win 98 PC, Kermit does : not want to recognize the internal (unfortunately) modems address. : : The PC thinks it is 02f8 but kermit gives an error about unknown address : assumes, you guessed it, 02f8 but can not get the modem to work. Also wants : to use the bios instead of com2: : : Thanks, : Steve : : MS-DOS Kermit cannot access WinModems or any serial devices configured using a Plug N Play BIOS. To access these devices under Windows 95/98 you must use Kermit 95. http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 06:29:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA25336 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:29:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA29753 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:29:18 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: Tim Hedger Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using kermit when not logged in as root Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 11:28:58 +0000 Organization: WestonPark Lines: 70 Message-ID: <36949A79.1FD09D1E@globalnet.co.uk> References: <76vso2$bc8$1@newnews.global.net.uk> <77069p$ark$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.129.199 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9724 Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article <76vso2$bc8$1@newnews.global.net.uk>, > Tim Hedger wrote: > : I've set up Kermit (using the Redhat rpm installation) on my Redhat 5.2 > : Linux machine. > : > : Having spent some time getting it configured properly (with entries in the > : relevant init files to configure the modem etc) as root, I logged on as > : another user and tried to use it. > : > : I got errors in the startup of kermit, when it tried to SET LINE > : /dev/modem - I got "permission denied" - the same thing happened when I > : issued the command manually. > : > : I'm able to use minicom to communicate through the same modem using this > : non-root user, so I'm not sure what the permission denied problem is. > : > Because minicom is setuid and/or setgid to the groups and/or users who have > write access to the UUCP lockfile directory and/or the dialout device. > > Please read the UNIX appendix of "Using C-Kermit" or the section of > ckuins.doc (C-Kermit for UNIX Installation Instructions) on "Dialing Out and > Coordinating with UUCP". > > The same obstacles must be dealt with in UNIX no matter what communication > software you are installing. Minicom happened to come preinstalled this way > so you didn't notice it. > > - Frank Frank, Thanks for your very prompt reply - I've read the relevant chapter, and checked out the permissions of the various programs, files and devices, and they all appear to be set up as required - I guess I must be missing something. My kermit executable is setgid to uucp: [root@th1 bin]# ls -l kermit -rwxr-sr-x 1 root uucp 517832 Mar 14 1997 kermit My lockfile directory is in group uucp: [root@th1 /var]# ls -l /var | grep lock drwxrwxr-x 5 root uucp 1024 Jan 7 11:14 lock My modem is in group uucp: [root@th1 /var]# ls -l /dev/modem lrwxrwxrwx 1 root uucp 4 Dec 29 20:23 /dev/modem -> cua0 Despite all this, I get: hedgert@th1.linux% /home/hedgert kermit Warning: terminal type unknown: "xterm" Fullscreen file transfer display disabled. Executing /etc/kermit/ckermit.ini for UNIX ... Sorry, terminal type unknown: "xterm" Executing /etc/kermit/ckermit.local.ini ... Adding system dialing directory /etc/kermit/ckermit.phone ... /dev/modem: Permission denied Sorry, access to device denied: /dev/modem when starting kermit, with "set line /dev/modem" at the end of my /etc/kermit/ckermit.local.ini file Can you see what I'm doing wrong? -- Tim Hedger From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 09:54:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA21742 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA11244 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:54:54 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using kermit when not logged in as root Date: 7 Jan 1999 14:54:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <772hrt$kg3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <76vso2$bc8$1@newnews.global.net.uk> <77069p$ark$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36949A79.1FD09D1E@globalnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9725 In article <36949A79.1FD09D1E@globalnet.co.uk>, Tim Hedger wrote: : Thanks for your very prompt reply - I've read the relevant chapter, and : checked out the permissions of the various programs, files and devices, and : they all appear to be set up as required - I guess I must be missing : something. : : My kermit executable is setgid to uucp: : [root@th1 bin]# ls -l kermit : -rwxr-sr-x 1 root uucp 517832 Mar 14 1997 kermit : : My lockfile directory is in group uucp: : [root@th1 /var]# ls -l /var | grep lock : drwxrwxr-x 5 root uucp 1024 Jan 7 11:14 lock : : My modem is in group uucp: : [root@th1 /var]# ls -l /dev/modem : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root uucp 4 Dec 29 20:23 /dev/modem -> cua0 : But /dev/modem is a symlink. What about /dev/cua0? - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 10:18:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27568 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA12630 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:18:41 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.insinc.net!stimpy.cal.sfl.net!news.gov.ab.ca!not-for-mail From: Gordon Haverland Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Using kermit when not logged in as root Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 07:59:04 -0700 Organization: Government of Alberta Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3694CBB8.4E1A2040@agric.gov.ab.ca> References: <76vso2$bc8$1@newnews.global.net.uk> <77069p$ark$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cdd969.agric.gov.ab.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: is-news.gov.ab.ca 915721242 29447 199.214.4.170 (7 Jan 1999 15:00:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: dutyoss@gov.ab.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jan 1999 15:00:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9726 comp.os.linux.misc:323664 Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article <76vso2$bc8$1@newnews.global.net.uk>, > Tim Hedger wrote: > : I've set up Kermit (using the Redhat rpm installation) on my Redhat 5.2 > : Linux machine. > : > : Having spent some time getting it configured properly (with entries in the > : relevant init files to configure the modem etc) as root, I logged on as > : another user and tried to use it. > : > : I got errors in the startup of kermit, when it tried to SET LINE > : /dev/modem - I got "permission denied" > Please read the UNIX appendix of "Using C-Kermit" or the section of > ckuins.doc (C-Kermit for UNIX Installation Instructions) on "Dialing Out and > Coordinating with UUCP". > > The same obstacles must be dealt with in UNIX no matter what communication > software you are installing. Minicom happened to come preinstalled this way > so you didn't notice it. I just went through a reinstall of C-Kermit on a SuSE 5.3 install. YAST likes to set /dev/modem to point to /dev/ttyS_, instead of /dev/cua_. Maybe the RedHat setup is similar. Even running as root, this produces odd kermit behavior. Try setting /dev/modem to point to the cua device. My kermit setup is: kermit is owned uucp in group uucp and is SUID. /dev/modem and/dev/ttyS_ are owned by uucp in group uucp as well. I hope this helps. Gordon Haverland From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 10:27:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29618 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13115 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:26:58 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: Tim Hedger Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using kermit when not logged in as root Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:26:30 +0000 Organization: WestonPark Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3694D226.C9B0CD7F@globalnet.co.uk> References: <76vso2$bc8$1@newnews.global.net.uk> <77069p$ark$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36949A79.1FD09D1E@globalnet.co.uk> <772hrt$kg3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.140.130 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9727 Frank da Cruz wrote: > : My modem is in group uucp: > : [root@th1 /var]# ls -l /dev/modem > : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root uucp 4 Dec 29 20:23 /dev/modem -> cua0 > : > But /dev/modem is a symlink. What about /dev/cua0? > > - Frank Thanks Frank. The permissions on /dev/cua0 were: [root@th1 /dev]# ls -l cua0 crw-r----- 1 root uucp 5, 64 Jan 7 15:11 cua0 I found I had to change them to: [root@th1 /dev]# ls -l cua0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root uucp 5, 64 Jan 7 15:13 cua0 to make it work. (I tried just g+w first, but this didn't make any difference). Whilst I'm happy that this now works, I'm still not clear how minicom (which worked all along under this non-root user) works? (given that it has the same permissions as the kermit executable, and it too uses /dev/modem) -- Tim Hedger From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 10:29:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00320 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13156 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:29:40 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: Tim Hedger Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using kermit when not logged in as root Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:29:25 +0000 Organization: WestonPark Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3694D2D5.483179B1@globalnet.co.uk> References: <76vso2$bc8$1@newnews.global.net.uk> <77069p$ark$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3694CBB8.4E1A2040@agric.gov.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.140.130 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9728 Gordon Haverland wrote: > I just went through a reinstall of C-Kermit on a SuSE 5.3 install. > > YAST likes to set /dev/modem to point to /dev/ttyS_, instead > of /dev/cua_. Maybe the RedHat setup is similar. > > Even running as root, this produces odd kermit behavior. > Try setting /dev/modem to point to the cua device. > > My kermit setup is: kermit is owned uucp in group uucp and > is SUID. /dev/modem and/dev/ttyS_ are owned by uucp > in group uucp as well. > > I hope this helps. > > Gordon Haverland I haven't had problems elsewhere using /dev/cua0 instead of /dev/ttyS0 - e.g. minicom is OK - and (see reply to a reply from Frank da Cruz to original message) I've now got kermit to work. I thought the two naming conventions for ports were interchangeable? -- Tim Hedger From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 10:50:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07482 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14435 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:50:46 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.pbi.net!209.133.56.9!wasp.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@97.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using kermit when not logged in as root Date: 7 Jan 1999 15:50:16 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 23 Message-ID: <772l3o$q1j$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <76vso2$bc8$1@newnews.global.net.uk> <77069p$ark$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <36949A79.1FD09D1E@globalnet.co.uk> <772hrt$kg3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3694D226.C9B0CD7F@globalnet.co.uk> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9729 Tim Hedger (hedger@globalnet.co.uk) wrote: : Whilst I'm happy that this now works, I'm still not clear how minicom (which : worked all along under this non-root user) works? (given that it has the same : permissions as the kermit executable, and it too uses /dev/modem) Does Linux have a "trusted user" database, similar to UnixWare? UnixWare has a database of users that are allowed to do various things, so that minicom might be allowed access to certain devices, without the obvious unix permissions that are readily visible. A "properly installed" minicom would then be different from a kermit that had been copied into place, with no attention paid to the user database. I forget the admin tool for trusted users, but I think it is around /etc/security/* and creatiadb(1M). -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 11:06:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11735 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15357 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:06:13 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using kermit when not logged in as root Date: 7 Jan 1999 16:06:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <772m1k$mmb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <76vso2$bc8$1@newnews.global.net.uk> <772hrt$kg3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3694D226.C9B0CD7F@globalnet.co.uk> <772l3o$q1j$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9730 In article <772l3o$q1j$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Tim Hedger (hedger@globalnet.co.uk) wrote: : : Whilst I'm happy that this now works, I'm still not clear how minicom : : (which worked all along under this non-root user) works? (given that it : : has the same permissions as the kermit executable, and it too uses : : /dev/modem) : : Does Linux have a "trusted user" database, similar to UnixWare? : UnixWare has a database of users that are allowed to do various things, so : that minicom might be allowed access to certain devices, without the : obvious unix permissions that are readily visible. : : A "properly installed" minicom would then be different from a kermit that : had been copied into place, with no attention paid to the user database. : : I forget the admin tool for trusted users, but I think it is around : /etc/security/* and creatiadb(1M). : But surely that would still not allow a trusted user access to files or devices without permission. Rather, I presume it would prevent access to resources to which one would normally have permission, if one were not on the access list. Tim, perhaps you could show us an ls -ldga listing of the minicom executable. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 11:31:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18873 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA16699 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:31:00 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: Tim Hedger Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using kermit when not logged in as root Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 16:30:43 +0000 Organization: WestonPark Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3694E133.1A300A24@globalnet.co.uk> References: <76vso2$bc8$1@newnews.global.net.uk> <772hrt$kg3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3694D226.C9B0CD7F@globalnet.co.uk> <772l3o$q1j$1@samba.rahul.net> <772m1k$mmb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.133.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9731 Frank da Cruz wrote: > Tim, perhaps you could show us an ls -ldga listing of the minicom executable. > > - Frank Not sure if this really want you want - it's the same output I get from "ls -l" - was it supposed to give some extra information? [root@th1 bin]# ls -ldga minicom -rwxr-sr-x 1 root uucp 153436 Oct 2 04:35 minicom -- Tim Hedger From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 11:42:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23579 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17456 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:42:29 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: zmodem file transfers Date: 7 Jan 1999 16:42:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: <772o5k$nql$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1P4l2.1202$cR3.1191@news.rdc1.sdca.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:154610 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9732 In article <1P4l2.1202$cR3.1191@news.rdc1.sdca.home.com>, Dave Hinkle wrote: : Werner Kliewer wrote in message ... : >I am looking for a quality package that will allow me to automate the : >transfer of files over a dial-up connection via zmodem with a fair bit : >of intelligence. I don't need much in the way of a terminal emulator, : >but I do need a fairly robust script capability. If the scripting is : >standard shell scripting or something like that, even better. : > : >We have little choice in the protocols. It has to be a dial-up : >connection and the files have to be transferred via zmodem. We also : >have no control over what happens at the far end, other than having a : >certain amount of restricted shell access, so all the control and logic : >has to be done at our end. : ... : >Commercial packages actually preferred, if not too outrageously priced, : >and well supported. Shareware and free or GNU-ware also considered. : > : Kermit has the scripting you are looking for. : Kermit can be found at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Of course Kermit runs the Kermit protocol, not Zmodem. However, it can run Zmodem as an external protocol. This works if you have a version of rz/sz that works on standard i/o and therefore can be redirected. Versions of rz/sz issued since about 1988 do not allow this. Maybe some readers of this newsgroup can refer to a source for redirectable rz/sz for AIX. : >There will be arithmetic and possibly date : >processing involved, along with normal file-name filtering, and : >probably traversing of some part of a directory structure. : The current version of C-Kermit is 6.0. It includes arithmetic. Filename filtering can be done in various ways. It does not have the ability to traverse directory trees. C-Kermit 6.1 is in Beta test, and it has improved filename filtering capabilities and it can traverse directory trees: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html C-Kermit 7.0 will be announced for beta testing within the next week or so and has even better filename filtering (e.g. full regexes, exception lists, etc) and improved directory-tree traversal. Watch: comp.protocols.kermit.misc for announcements. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 11:46:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24977 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:46:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17719 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:46:53 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scripting suggestions? Date: 7 Jan 1999 16:46:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-ID: <772ods$nur$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9733 The following mail is posted here since the user's site, AFCC.COM, does not accept mail: Unable to deliver the message due to a communications failure MSEXCH:IMS:AFCC:CORE:Z1111141 0 (00120339) Too Many Hops Mail to the postmaster bounces in the same way. We do our best to reply to all mail, but in this case it does not appear to be possible. Date: Thu, 7 Jan 99 11:26:37 EST From: Kermit Software Support To: "Swindle, Denny" Subject: Re: Scripting Suggestions? In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:17:47 -0600 Cc: kermit-support@columbia.edu Reply-To: kermit-support@columbia.edu > I have several automated scripts that get executed each morning. (These > scripts were written by another gentleman that is no longer with our > company. This project was given to me...so I am trying to learn Kermit.) > > These scripts are a combination of input and output commands. Each script > connects to a bank, waits (inputs) for certain bank prompts, and then > outputs the appropriate response. Some scripts can be rather large. > Sometimes, it is necessary for us to change our password that we use with > the bank, but we can only do this while connected with the bank. So I have > a "manual" script that puts the user in "connect" mode with the bank. The > user must type in each response to each prompt that is sent. However, some > of our scripts can be rather long and laborious. Is there a not a way that > I can "take" a script...and then at the appropriate time, the user could > somehow "control-break" into the take process....type out the new > password...and then hit enter or something and the take process could > continue after the step where it was orignally broken? I am really new to > kermit...so I am really trying to learn! > > We use C-Kermit 6.0.192 for HP-UX 10.00. I have enclosed a sample script. > As in the sample.txt file, would it be possible when I receive the "DATE >" > prompt to break into the script, type out the date I want, and then resume > the take process at the "pause 2" command right after the output \13? > Something like this should work: echo Press any key within 10 seconds to enter CONNECT mode at this point... pause 10 if fail connect echo Proceeding with script... PAUSE fails if a key is pressed during the pause interval, otherwise it succeeds. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 12:04:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29662 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:04:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18784 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:04:45 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!solomon.io.com!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!not-for-mail From: "Brian Reid" Newsgroups: comp.os.os9,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Skewed image data when transferred with Kermit Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:38:04 -0600 Organization: The University of Texas at Dallas Lines: 74 Message-ID: <772nlk$7fg$1@news.utdallas.edu> References: <770osj$omd$1@news.utdallas.edu> <770vqi$p6j$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc09186.utdallas.edu X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.os9:12921 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9734 Typing "Kermit -?" at the $ prompt on the OS9 machine yields the following message: Kermit program Version 1 Release 5 Usage: Kermit c [le line esc.char] (connect mode) or: Kermit s [difl line] file... (send mode) or: Kermit r [difl line] (receive mode) or: Kermit h [difl line] (host server mode) or: Kermit g [difl line] file... (get file from server) or: Kermit q [diful line] (quit xemote host server) This is how I have tried to transfer the image files: OS9 machine: $shell <>>>/s7 (opens serial port #7) Win98 machine: [C:\Kermit95]K-95>take image.txt The image.txt command file reads as follows: set carrier off set line com1 set speed 9600 set window 1 set command bytesize 8 set terminal bytesize 8 set flow xon/xoff set duplex full set parity none set send packet-length 94 set receive packet-length 94 set send timeout 10 set receive timeout 15 set handshake none set file type binary connect Once connected, I type the following on the terminal screen: $kermit s /hard/export/image.i1 The following information is displayed while the image file is transferring: Current directory: c:\kermit95 communications device: com1 communication speed: 9600 parity: none receiving: image.i1 => image.i1 file type: binary file size: percent done: estimated time left: (unknown) transfer rate, cps: (this value fluctuates around 280) windows slots: 1 of 1 packet type: d packet length: (this value fluctuates around 90) error count: 0 last error: last message: The OS9 system was recently donated to our department from industry along with a scanning electron microscope. Unfortunately, much of the documentation seems to have been misplaced. I don't have any documentation for Kermit 1.5. Thanks for your help! Brian Reid UTD Chemistry (972)-883-2709 breid@utdallas.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 12:12:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01900 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19166 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:12:11 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.os9,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Skewed image data when transferred with Kermit Date: 7 Jan 1999 17:12:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <772pta$on8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <770osj$omd$1@news.utdallas.edu> <770vqi$p6j$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <772nlk$7fg$1@news.utdallas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.os9:12922 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9735 In article <772nlk$7fg$1@news.utdallas.edu>, Brian Reid wrote: : Typing "Kermit -?" at the $ prompt on the OS9 machine yields the following : message: : : Kermit program Version 1 Release 5 : Usage: Kermit c [le line esc.char] (connect mode) : or: Kermit s [difl line] file... (send mode) : ... : This is not a Kermit program we have ever seen or heard of. Please replace it with the current and supported version of C-Kermit for OS-9: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html : This is how I have tried to transfer the image files... : Once connected, I type the following on the terminal screen: : : $kermit s /hard/export/image.i1 : This probably does not send the file in binary mode. Maybe if you used "kermit is /hard/export/image.i1". : The OS9 system was recently donated to our department from industry along : with a scanning electron microscope. Unfortunately, much of the : documentation seems to have been misplaced. I don't have any documentation : for Kermit 1.5. : Neither do we. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 13:21:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22485 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA22670 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:21:21 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!milo.mcs.anl.gov!usenet From: Timothy Martin Newsgroups: comp.os.os9,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.groups.os.os9 Subject: Re: Skewed image data when transferred with Kermit Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 12:12:39 -0600 Organization: Argonne National Laboratory Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3694F917.91BE43D5@anl.gov> References: <770osj$omd$1@news.utdallas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gonzalo.er.anl.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.os9:12924 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9736 Brian Reid wrote: > > I am trying to use kermit95 to transfer 8 bit row ordered SEM image data > from a Tracor Northern 8502 image analysis system (running OS-9) to a PC > (running Windows98) using a serial connection. The files appear to transfer > successfully, however, the image features are skewed when viewed using NIH > image. For example, a square feature would appear as a parallelogram with > the bottom side moved to the right. When I try to send the file back to the > OS9 system, the TN8502 software indicates that the image bin is too small to > hold the image data. > > Is there any possibility that Kermit is adding bits somewhere in the binary > file? Could the file be getting corrupted somehow in the transfer? > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > > Brian Reid > Doctor of Chemistry Program > University of Texas at Dallas > breid@utdallas.edu > (972)-883-2709 I read the Frank da Cruz replies. Questioning a proper binary transfer is certainly in order. You should check that the files on the OS-9 and Win98 sides are identical. You can do this with a utility such as "md5". I have OS-9 and DOS executables for md5. If you haven't heard of md5, it generates a "hash code" which is a number generated based on the contents of the file. If md5 produces the same hash code on the OS-9 and Win98 versions of the file, you can be essentially guaranteed that the files are identical. If you want this sort of verification and can't find "md5" for DOS or OS-9, tell me. Of course, you could transfer the file there and back and see if it is unmangled also. Do an OS-9 "cmp" to compare two files. EOT. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 13:44:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00735 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:44:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24086 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:44:10 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!van-bc!paralynx!paralynx-3!paralynx!paralynx-1!cyclone.bc.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.pbi.net!209.133.56.9!wasp.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@97.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using kermit when not logged in as root Date: 7 Jan 1999 18:42:38 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 18 Message-ID: <772v6u$rst$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <76vso2$bc8$1@newnews.global.net.uk> <772hrt$kg3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3694D226.C9B0CD7F@globalnet.co.uk> <772l3o$q1j$1@samba.rahul.net> <772m1k$mmb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9737 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : But surely that would still not allow a trusted user access to files or : devices without permission. Rather, I presume it would prevent access to : resources to which one would normally have permission, if one were not on : the access list. No, it is much like a "sudo" program. Tasks can be acomplished that a normal user does not have permission for, like "shutdown". The "system owner" can do many things from the GUI that can't be done by a normal user, and the id of the system owner is not "0". Of course this is on SVR4 (Unixware), where this topic is about Linux. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 14:12:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08939 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA25582 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:12:26 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!167.142.225.6!newsrelay.netins.net!newnews.microware.com!not-for-mail From: James Jones Newsgroups: comp.os.os9,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Skewed image data when transferred with Kermit Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 13:08:25 -0600 Organization: Microware Systems Corporation Lines: 20 Message-ID: <36950629.1CD96764@microware.com> References: <770osj$omd$1@news.utdallas.edu> <770vqi$p6j$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <772nlk$7fg$1@news.utdallas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: whorfin.microware.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-mw (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en,es,ja Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.os9:12925 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9738 That's an ancient Kermit program that goes back to OS-9/6809 days. (I worked on the 6809 version about fifteen years ago.) I think that it was a port of an old Unix Kermit program...but more to the point: 1. Try kermit si /hard/export/image.i1 2. Make a point of getting the OS-9 version of C Kermit; Kermit has improved enormously in the past fifteen years, and you will get far better performance and help messages. I personally recommend highly the books on Kermit, *Kermit: a file transfer protocol* and *Using C Kermit*. The former book predates many improvements in Kermit, but it explains the protocol (and some of the highly convoluted aspects of serial data communications that Kermit is designed to deal with) well and entertainingly; the latter book covers C Kermit in great detail. James Jones Opinions herein are those of the author, and not necessarily those of any organization. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 7 16:03:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12909 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01508 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:02:58 -0500 (EST) Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave Hinkle" Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <1P4l2.1202$cR3.1191@news.rdc1.sdca.home.com> <772o5k$nql$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: zmodem file transfers Lines: 46 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:02:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.0.188.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.sdca.home.com 915742927 24.0.188.230 (Thu, 07 Jan 1999 13:02:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 13:02:07 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:154636 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9739 Frank da Cruz wrote in message <772o5k$nql$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <1P4l2.1202$cR3.1191@news.rdc1.sdca.home.com>, >Dave Hinkle wrote: >: Werner Kliewer wrote in message ... >Kermit can be found at: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ > >Of course Kermit runs the Kermit protocol, not Zmodem. However, it can >run Zmodem as an external protocol. This works if you have a version of >rz/sz that works on standard i/o and therefore can be redirected. Versions >of rz/sz issued since about 1988 do not allow this. Maybe some readers of >this newsgroup can refer to a source for redirectable rz/sz for AIX. The client versions of rz/sz from http://www.omen.com will work with Kermit. > >: >There will be arithmetic and possibly date >: >processing involved, along with normal file-name filtering, and >: >probably traversing of some part of a directory structure. >: >The current version of C-Kermit is 6.0. It includes arithmetic. >Filename filtering can be done in various ways. It does not have the >ability to traverse directory trees. > >C-Kermit 6.1 is in Beta test, and it has improved filename filtering >capabilities and it can traverse directory trees: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html > >C-Kermit 7.0 will be announced for beta testing within the next week or >so and has even better filename filtering (e.g. full regexes, exception >lists, etc) and improved directory-tree traversal. Watch: > > comp.protocols.kermit.misc > >for announcements. > >- Frank Article 9745 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem disconnecting from kermit Date: 8 Jan 1999 21:53:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-ID: <775up8$mv5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36967AD9.6721F979@qualcomm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 915832424 23525 128.59.39.2 (8 Jan 1999 21:53:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jan 1999 21:53:44 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9745 In article <36967AD9.6721F979@qualcomm.com>, Sivaram Palakodety wrote: : I am using C-Kermit 6.0.192. : On what platform? What does its banner say when you start it? : I have a expect script that starts a kermit session and sends out pages : using the TAP/IXO protocol. : You might have better luck using Kermit all by itself. You might not be aware that C-Kermit 6.0 can send alpha pages TAP/IXO protocol: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html : Sometimes, I get garbage on the line and the script detects this and : attempts to disconnect from kermit so that it can retry. : : I am using cts/rts flow control, full duplex, even parity. : : The problem is that kermit does not exit even after I issue the quit : command. : (This hanppens only when I get garbage on the line) : the script calls wait on the kermit session and the wait hangs. : : pstack on the kermit process gives the following stack trace: : : ef676c74 close (4) : ef676c74 _libc_close (4, adfcc, bb530, 4, bb530, bb514) + 4 : 00020400 ttclos (ae000, ae000, 9, 7, 8, 17237c) + 1ec : 00070cb0 doclean (fb000, adfcc, db260, ffffffff, db260, db254) + 118 : 00070d38 doexit (0, ffffffff, ae000, ae000, adc00, b6800) + 3c : 00076308 docmd (f2000, dd148, d798c, 18, d798c, d7978) + 1150 : 0005904c parser (b67b0, d780c, fc7d0, b69bc, b720c, 11219c) + 87c : 0001ea00 doicp (adc00, ae068, bbd08, ae000, ae000, 97688) + ec : 00087da4 cc_execute (112148, 1e914, 1ea40, 0, bb088, bb068) + 48 : 0001f1a0 main (ae000, ae000, 112148, ae000, 1, 0) + 4b0 : 0001df54 _start (0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0) + dc : : file descriptor 4 is the fd on the serial device(modem). : : Does anyone have any idea as to why close hangs? : Good question. Kermit is just calling close(), as you can see, and close() is not returning. The reason for this is highly dependent on the particular serial driver and the state of the serial port (which modem signals are up or down, etc). Of course, close() should just close, regardless, so whatever the problem might be, it's obviously in your operating system or its drivers. You might be able to sidestep it by telling Kermit to "hangup" before you give the "exit" command. Maybe also a "clear device" command would help. And/or "set carrier-watch off". - Frank Article 9742 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.os9,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Skewed image data when transferred with Kermit Date: 8 Jan 1999 15:01:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7756l2$gsr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <770osj$omd$1@news.utdallas.edu> <915796928.23506.0.nnrp-10.c1edc3c6@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 915807714 17307 128.59.39.2 (8 Jan 1999 15:01:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jan 1999 15:01:54 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.os9:12930 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9742 In article <915796928.23506.0.nnrp-10.c1edc3c6@news.demon.co.uk>, Adrian Stares wrote: : We found Microware's Kermit (the one you are using) slow and unreliable and : have sinced switched to using Z modem whenever we can. : The Kermit program in question is from circa 1982. There is, of course, a modern Kermit program for OS-9 that is, in fact, the same as the one for UNIX and VMS and (in its protocol and scripting engines) Windows 95/98/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html - Frank Article 9745 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem disconnecting from kermit Date: 8 Jan 1999 21:53:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-ID: <775up8$mv5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36967AD9.6721F979@qualcomm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 915832424 23525 128.59.39.2 (8 Jan 1999 21:53:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jan 1999 21:53:44 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9745 In article <36967AD9.6721F979@qualcomm.com>, Sivaram Palakodety wrote: : I am using C-Kermit 6.0.192. : On what platform? What does its banner say when you start it? : I have a expect script that starts a kermit session and sends out pages : using the TAP/IXO protocol. : You might have better luck using Kermit all by itself. You might not be aware that C-Kermit 6.0 can send alpha pages TAP/IXO protocol: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html : Sometimes, I get garbage on the line and the script detects this and : attempts to disconnect from kermit so that it can retry. : : I am using cts/rts flow control, full duplex, even parity. : : The problem is that kermit does not exit even after I issue the quit : command. : (This hanppens only when I get garbage on the line) : the script calls wait on the kermit session and the wait hangs. : : pstack on the kermit process gives the following stack trace: : : ef676c74 close (4) : ef676c74 _libc_close (4, adfcc, bb530, 4, bb530, bb514) + 4 : 00020400 ttclos (ae000, ae000, 9, 7, 8, 17237c) + 1ec : 00070cb0 doclean (fb000, adfcc, db260, ffffffff, db260, db254) + 118 : 00070d38 doexit (0, ffffffff, ae000, ae000, adc00, b6800) + 3c : 00076308 docmd (f2000, dd148, d798c, 18, d798c, d7978) + 1150 : 0005904c parser (b67b0, d780c, fc7d0, b69bc, b720c, 11219c) + 87c : 0001ea00 doicp (adc00, ae068, bbd08, ae000, ae000, 97688) + ec : 00087da4 cc_execute (112148, 1e914, 1ea40, 0, bb088, bb068) + 48 : 0001f1a0 main (ae000, ae000, 112148, ae000, 1, 0) + 4b0 : 0001df54 _start (0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0) + dc : : file descriptor 4 is the fd on the serial device(modem). : : Does anyone have any idea as to why close hangs? : Good question. Kermit is just calling close(), as you can see, and close() is not returning. The reason for this is highly dependent on the particular serial driver and the state of the serial port (which modem signals are up or down, etc). Of course, close() should just close, regardless, so whatever the problem might be, it's obviously in your operating system or its drivers. You might be able to sidestep it by telling Kermit to "hangup" before you give the "exit" command. Maybe also a "clear device" command would help. And/or "set carrier-watch off". - Frank Article 9744 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!nntp2.cerf.net!nntp3.cerf.net!qualcomm.com!not-for-mail From: Sivaram Palakodety Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem disconnecting from kermit Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 13:38:33 -0800 Organization: QUALCOMM, Incorporated; San Diego, CA, USA Lines: 42 Message-ID: <36967AD9.6721F979@qualcomm.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tull.qualcomm.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9744 Hi: I am using C-Kermit 6.0.192. I have a expect script that starts a kermit session and sends out pages using the TAP/IXO protocol. Sometimes, I get garbage on the line and the script detects this and attempts to disconnect from kermit so that it can retry. I am using cts/rts flow control, full duplex, even parity. The problem is that kermit does not exit even after I issue the quit command. (This hanppens only when I get garbage on the line) the script calls wait on the kermit session and the wait hangs. pstack on the kermit process gives the following stack trace: ef676c74 close (4) ef676c74 _libc_close (4, adfcc, bb530, 4, bb530, bb514) + 4 00020400 ttclos (ae000, ae000, 9, 7, 8, 17237c) + 1ec 00070cb0 doclean (fb000, adfcc, db260, ffffffff, db260, db254) + 118 00070d38 doexit (0, ffffffff, ae000, ae000, adc00, b6800) + 3c 00076308 docmd (f2000, dd148, d798c, 18, d798c, d7978) + 1150 0005904c parser (b67b0, d780c, fc7d0, b69bc, b720c, 11219c) + 87c 0001ea00 doicp (adc00, ae068, bbd08, ae000, ae000, 97688) + ec 00087da4 cc_execute (112148, 1e914, 1ea40, 0, bb088, bb068) + 48 0001f1a0 main (ae000, ae000, 112148, ae000, 1, 0) + 4b0 0001df54 _start (0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0) + dc file descriptor 4 is the fd on the serial device(modem). Does anyone have any idea as to why close hangs? -- Thanks Siva Article 9747 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mtu.edu!news.up.net!news-chi-1.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.voicenet.com!news2.voicenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Christopher Mosley Subject: Re: control printer Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <76rpcn$c7d$1@news.ncal.verio.com> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980514 (UNIX) (SunOS/5.6 (sun4m)) Lines: 25 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 04:31:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.71.48.250 X-Trace: news2.voicenet.com 915510710 209.71.48.250 (Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:31:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:31:50 EDT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9747 Den wrote: > Is there a way to control a printer from k95. Can I send commands to a > printer to make it switch to landscape mode and print in a different font? > Dennis I would think so, the codes for controlling the printer are documented in the manual that comes with the printer. These codes are what makes a word processor file different from a text file. By running small programs that send these codes to the printer using the kermit run command you could change the behavior of the printer. I don't know but conflicts might occur if you were to try to send escape sequences within the the print escape sequence or try to print a file with embedded codes using the print escape sequence if you were printing from a remote system. But you could set up a printer by running these local programs from the remote using apc or the incredibly amazing remote and local procedures? that may be coming in the next release of kermit. If k95 allows you to select a printer and has some built in mechanism to accomplish this - I have no idea. just guessing Article 9748 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mtu.edu!news.up.net!news-chi-1.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.voicenet.com!news2.voicenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Christopher Mosley Subject: Re: control printer Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <76rpcn$c7d$1@news.ncal.verio.com> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980514 (UNIX) (SunOS/5.6 (sun4m)) Lines: 30 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 04:41:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.71.48.250 X-Trace: news2.voicenet.com 915511266 209.71.48.250 (Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:41:06 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:41:06 EDT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9748 Christopher Mosley wrote: > Den wrote: >> Is there a way to control a printer from k95. Can I send commands to a >> printer to make it switch to landscape mode and print in a different font? >> Dennis > I would think so, the codes for controlling the printer are documented in > the manual that comes with the printer. These codes are what makes a word > processor file different from a text file. By running small programs > that send these codes to the printer using the kermit run command you could > change the behavior of the printer. I don't know but conflicts might > occur if you were to try to send escape sequences within the the print > escape sequence or try to print a file with embedded codes using the > print escape sequence if you were printing from a remote system. > But you could set up a printer by running these local programs from > the remote using apc or the incredibly amazing remote and local > procedures? that may be coming in the next release of kermit. > If k95 allows you to select a printer and has some built > in mechanism to accomplish this - I have no idea. > just guessing > But I can see my speculating was in vain, and from Jeffrey Altmans response; I see there is already a mechanism to accomplish this. Geesh Article 9736 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newnews.cc.columbia.edu!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!milo.mcs.anl.gov!usenet From: Timothy Martin Newsgroups: comp.os.os9,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.groups.os.os9 Subject: Re: Skewed image data when transferred with Kermit Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 12:12:39 -0600 Organization: Argonne National Laboratory Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3694F917.91BE43D5@anl.gov> References: <770osj$omd$1@news.utdallas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gonzalo.er.anl.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: newnews.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.os9:12924 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9736 Brian Reid wrote: > > I am trying to use kermit95 to transfer 8 bit row ordered SEM image data > from a Tracor Northern 8502 image analysis system (running OS-9) to a PC > (running Windows98) using a serial connection. The files appear to transfer > successfully, however, the image features are skewed when viewed using NIH > image. For example, a square feature would appear as a parallelogram with > the bottom side moved to the right. When I try to send the file back to the > OS9 system, the TN8502 software indicates that the image bin is too small to > hold the image data. > > Is there any possibility that Kermit is adding bits somewhere in the binary > file? Could the file be getting corrupted somehow in the transfer? > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > > Brian Reid > Doctor of Chemistry Program > University of Texas at Dallas > breid@utdallas.edu > (972)-883-2709 I read the Frank da Cruz replies. Questioning a proper binary transfer is certainly in order. You should check that the files on the OS-9 and Win98 sides are identical. You can do this with a utility such as "md5". I have OS-9 and DOS executables for md5. If you haven't heard of md5, it generates a "hash code" which is a number generated based on the contents of the file. If md5 produces the same hash code on the OS-9 and Win98 versions of the file, you can be essentially guaranteed that the files are identical. If you want this sort of verification and can't find "md5" for DOS or OS-9, tell me. Of course, you could transfer the file there and back and see if it is unmangled also. Do an OS-9 "cmp" to compare two files. EOT. Article 9738 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newnews.cc.columbia.edu!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!167.142.225.6!newsrelay.netins.net!newnews.microware.com!not-for-mail From: James Jones Newsgroups: comp.os.os9,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Skewed image data when transferred with Kermit Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 13:08:25 -0600 Organization: Microware Systems Corporation Lines: 20 Message-ID: <36950629.1CD96764@microware.com> References: <770osj$omd$1@news.utdallas.edu> <770vqi$p6j$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <772nlk$7fg$1@news.utdallas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: whorfin.microware.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-mw (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en,es,ja Xref: newnews.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.os9:12925 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9738 That's an ancient Kermit program that goes back to OS-9/6809 days. (I worked on the 6809 version about fifteen years ago.) I think that it was a port of an old Unix Kermit program...but more to the point: 1. Try kermit si /hard/export/image.i1 2. Make a point of getting the OS-9 version of C Kermit; Kermit has improved enormously in the past fifteen years, and you will get far better performance and help messages. I personally recommend highly the books on Kermit, *Kermit: a file transfer protocol* and *Using C Kermit*. The former book predates many improvements in Kermit, but it explains the protocol (and some of the highly convoluted aspects of serial data communications that Kermit is designed to deal with) well and entertainingly; the latter book covers C Kermit in great detail. James Jones Opinions herein are those of the author, and not necessarily those of any organization. Article 9740 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!solomon.io.com!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!not-for-mail From: "Brian Reid" Newsgroups: comp.os.os9,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Skewed image data when transferred with Kermit Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:45:31 -0600 Organization: The University of Texas at Dallas Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7732l3$gat$1@news.utdallas.edu> References: <770osj$omd$1@news.utdallas.edu> <770vqi$p6j$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <772nlk$7fg$1@news.utdallas.edu> <772pta$on8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc09186.utdallas.edu X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.os9:12927 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9740 Frank: It worked! I had set the receiving computer to binary (Win98) but not the sending computer. After adding the "i" switch at the command line, the image was transferred perfectly! Thanks so much for your quick response. Best regards, Brian Reid UTD Chemistry (972) 883-2709 breid@utdallas.edu Article 9741 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!stscouk.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Adrian Stares" Newsgroups: comp.os.os9,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,news.groups.os.os9 Subject: Re: Skewed image data when transferred with Kermit Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:02:07 -0000 Message-ID: <915796928.23506.0.nnrp-10.c1edc3c6@news.demon.co.uk> References: <770osj$omd$1@news.utdallas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: stscouk.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: stscouk.demon.co.uk:193.237.195.198 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 915796928 nnrp-10:23506 NO-IDENT stscouk.demon.co.uk:193.237.195.198 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 14 Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.os.os9:12929 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9741 We found Microware's Kermit (the one you are using) slow and unreliable and have sinced switched to using Z modem whenever we can. This transfers more reliably and around 5 times quicker. We use Win95's hyperterminal to send and receive via modem and TCP/IP. I can email the OS-9 Z program (64,202 bytes) to you or you can get this and others from here, ftp://os9archive.rtsi.com/OS9/OSK/TELECOM/xyz.lzh Brian Reid wrote in message <770osj$omd$1@news.utdallas.edu>... >I am trying to use kermit95 to transfer 8 bit row ordered SEM image data >from a Tracor Northern 8502 image analysis system (running OS-9) to a PC >(running Windows98) using a serial connection. The files appear to transfer Article 9737 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newnews.cc.columbia.edu!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!van-bc!paralynx!paralynx-3!paralynx!paralynx-1!cyclone.bc.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.pbi.net!209.133.56.9!wasp.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@97.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using kermit when not logged in as root Date: 7 Jan 1999 18:42:38 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 18 Message-ID: <772v6u$rst$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <76vso2$bc8$1@newnews.global.net.uk> <772hrt$kg3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3694D226.C9B0CD7F@globalnet.co.uk> <772l3o$q1j$1@samba.rahul.net> <772m1k$mmb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: newnews.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9737 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : But surely that would still not allow a trusted user access to files or : devices without permission. Rather, I presume it would prevent access to : resources to which one would normally have permission, if one were not on : the access list. No, it is much like a "sudo" program. Tasks can be acomplished that a normal user does not have permission for, like "shutdown". The "system owner" can do many things from the GUI that can't be done by a normal user, and the id of the system owner is not "0". Of course this is on SVR4 (Unixware), where this topic is about Linux. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. Article 9739 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newnews.cc.columbia.edu!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dave Hinkle" Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <1P4l2.1202$cR3.1191@news.rdc1.sdca.home.com> <772o5k$nql$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: zmodem file transfers Lines: 46 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:02:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.0.188.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.sdca.home.com 915742927 24.0.188.230 (Thu, 07 Jan 1999 13:02:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 13:02:07 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: newnews.cc.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:154723 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9739 Frank da Cruz wrote in message <772o5k$nql$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <1P4l2.1202$cR3.1191@news.rdc1.sdca.home.com>, >Dave Hinkle wrote: >: Werner Kliewer wrote in message ... >Kermit can be found at: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ > >Of course Kermit runs the Kermit protocol, not Zmodem. However, it can >run Zmodem as an external protocol. This works if you have a version of >rz/sz that works on standard i/o and therefore can be redirected. Versions >of rz/sz issued since about 1988 do not allow this. Maybe some readers of >this newsgroup can refer to a source for redirectable rz/sz for AIX. The client versions of rz/sz from http://www.omen.com will work with Kermit. > >: >There will be arithmetic and possibly date >: >processing involved, along with normal file-name filtering, and >: >probably traversing of some part of a directory structure. >: >The current version of C-Kermit is 6.0. It includes arithmetic. >Filename filtering can be done in various ways. It does not have the >ability to traverse directory trees. > >C-Kermit 6.1 is in Beta test, and it has improved filename filtering >capabilities and it can traverse directory trees: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html > >C-Kermit 7.0 will be announced for beta testing within the next week or >so and has even better filename filtering (e.g. full regexes, exception >lists, etc) and improved directory-tree traversal. Watch: > > comp.protocols.kermit.misc > >for announcements. > >- Frank Article 9749 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Jim Killmaster Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help: File Transfer Sco 5.05 to 5.05 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 06:23:55 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 34 Message-ID: <36988DCB.D075BFAE@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: atl-ga54-46.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jan 10 5:24:44 AM CST 1999 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9749 Hi, I am trying to transfer files between two sco 5.05 operating systems. Basicaly I want kermit to call the main computer once a day and get about 12 .zip files. I am using the Kermit 6.1 beta on both machines and connecting with two Supra Express 33.6 modems. I can connect fine and log in and work on the remote machine but when I try to transfer files it will not send the first packet. The sending packet log says 'receive window full' and the receiving packet log says 'time out'. The phone line is decent, I get a 21600 to 26400 connect rate. I have another program that transfers files fine between the systems but it can't be automated. The basic things that I have tried so far are: - bought c-kermit second edition and went through every example I could find. - read FAQ's and searched newsgroups (nobody else seems to be having this problem) - the various parity settings - the various flow control settings - different types of file from small text to large binary files - 9600 and 38400 baud rates - various packet sizes form default to 4096 - set all ownership to root and ran as root to rule out any permission problems - went through the tests in the install file, everything does ok except the file transfers I have never used kermit before and I feel that there is just one or two little things I've missed but I can't figure it out. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Jim Killmaster Article 9750 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc: Path: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help: File Transfer Sco 5.05 to 5.05 Date: 11 Jan 1999 14:52:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <77d37a$cug$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36988DCB.D075BFAE@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Trace: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu 916066346 13264 128.59.39.2 (11 Jan 1999 14:52:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jan 1999 14:52:26 GMT Xref: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9750 In article <36988DCB.D075BFAE@ix.netcom.com>, Jim Killmaster wrote: : I am trying to transfer files between two sco 5.05 operating systems. : Basicaly I want kermit to call the main computer once a day and get : about 12 .zip files. I am using the Kermit 6.1 beta on both machines and : connecting with two Supra Express 33.6 modems. I can connect fine and : log in and work on the remote machine but when I try to transfer files : it will not send the first packet. The sending packet log says 'receive : window full' and the receiving packet log says 'time out'. The phone : line is decent, I get a 21600 to 26400 connect rate. I have another : program that transfers files fine between the systems but it can't be : automated. : : The basic things that I have tried so far are: : - bought c-kermit second edition and went through every example I could : find. : - read FAQ's and searched newsgroups (nobody else seems to be having : this problem) : - the various parity settings : - the various flow control settings : - different types of file from small text to large binary files : - 9600 and 38400 baud rates : - various packet sizes form default to 4096 : - set all ownership to root and ran as root to rule out any permission : problems : - went through the tests in the install file, everything does ok except : the file transfers : : I have never used kermit before and I feel that there is just one or two : little things I've missed but I can't figure it out. Any help would be : appreciated. : Please take a packet log at each end and send them by email to: kermit-support@columbia.edu It's obviously going to be something pretty basic if not even the first packet gets through, ever; most likely a transparency or flow-control issue with the modems. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 11 11:45:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04783 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:44:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26032 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:28:32 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: arthur marsh Subject: Kermit support bbs off-line Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:28:20 +0100 Organization: International Telecommunication Union (ITU) Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I haven't been able to get onto the kermit support bbs recently via telneting to bbs.kermit.columbia.edu (site is pingable still), so tonight I tried a direct dial and received a "NO ANSWER" response. Is the bbs off-line permanently? From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 11 12:45:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21873 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA09040 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:40:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Scott Davis" Subject: Switching from TCP to serial causes a problem Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:15:11 -0500 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Message-ID: <77dbj3$ptr$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I am running C-kermit 6 (latest build) on AIX 4. Everything has been working well for a time now. But we have just added a Cisco modem bank (telnet access). A problem arises when a user switches from using the modem bank to a regular serial modem. Here is the series of commands that get executed (from the beginning). ---- set host 132.147.1.2:7001 # This is to use the cisco modem bank. dial ... hangup set line /dev/tty12 # This is to use a regular serial modem. -------- At this point "show comm" reports that the speed of /dev/tty12 is "unknown". All attempts to actually use /dev/tty12 lock up until kermit is exited. If the "hangup" command is NOT used, then the set line works, and access to tty12 is normal. We are puzzled at this. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 11 13:15:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29686 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10300 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:49:18 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Switching from TCP to serial causes a problem Date: 11 Jan 1999 17:49:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <77ddiu$a1h$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <77dbj3$ptr$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Scott Davis wrote: : I am running C-kermit 6 (latest build) on AIX 4. : 6.0.192? : Everything has been working well for a time now. : But we have just added a Cisco modem bank (telnet access). : A problem arises when a user switches from using the modem bank to a regular : serial modem. : Here is the series of commands that get executed (from the beginning). : ---- : set host 132.147.1.2:7001 # This is to use the cisco modem bank. : dial ... : You should put a SET MODEM TYPE command between the SET HOST and DIAL commands, right? (See p.126 of "Using C-Kermit".) : hangup : set line /dev/tty12 # This is to use a regular serial modem. : -------- : At this point "show comm" reports that the speed of /dev/tty12 is "unknown". : All attempts to actually use /dev/tty12 lock up until kermit is exited. : If the "hangup" command is NOT used, then the set line works, and access to : tty12 is normal. : Version 6.0 has some bugs in the area of switching back & forth between connection types. Some of these are fixed in 6.1 Beta.05: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html and some more will be fixed in 7.0, which will be announced shortly for Beta testing. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 11 19:45:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA19832 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA19580 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:43:27 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: brad.de.groot@gecits-ap.com Subject: Help: Transmitting to Kermit TSO 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:40:45 GMT Organization: OzEmail Ltd. Message-ID: <369a9176.10188882@news.ozemail.com.au> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi All, I previously had Kermit TSO 4.0 and have upgraded to Kermit TSO 4.3.2. Now when I try to receive a file and type STAT, I obtain the following... Last file used: 'SUP.C738.P503.EQP01' Bytes/pkt: S=167 R=148 requiring 1 pkt Bytes/sec: S=33 R=30 requiring 5 sec Disk bytes/sec: 0 = 0% (SPEED 1200) 4 repeat packets sent Optimum packet size: 141 Bad packet or chksum I was sending the file at a speed of 9600. Please note that I am relatively new to Kermit and unsure as to where to look in terms of setting up parameters to fix such an error. I'm not even sure if I have provided enough information here to obtain a proper response. So any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Brad From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 12 03:45:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA23753 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 03:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA23436 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 03:15:45 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Tom Lekang" Subject: Kermit for system V, rev. 3 Date: 12 Jan 1999 08:15:41 GMT Organization: A-pressen Message-ID: <01be3e03$f64fc700$350a0164@tomle> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I'm searching for Kermit for an old Unisys 6031-server, running System V (386/486) rev. 3.00. Does anybody know where to find a working version of Kermit? -- Tom Lekang Newspaper group A_pressen, Norway tlekang@online.no From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 12 10:15:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07156 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00034 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:13:43 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Help: Transmitting to Kermit TSO 4.3.2 Date: 12 Jan 1999 15:13:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <77for7$o$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <369a9176.10188882@news.ozemail.com.au>, wrote: : I previously had Kermit TSO 4.0 and have upgraded to Kermit TSO : 4.3.2. Now when I try to receive a file and type STAT, I obtain the : following... : : Last file used: 'SUP.C738.P503.EQP01' : Bytes/pkt: S=167 R=148 requiring 1 pkt : Bytes/sec: S=33 R=30 requiring 5 sec : Disk bytes/sec: 0 = 0% (SPEED 1200) : 4 repeat packets sent : Optimum packet size: 141 : Bad packet or chksum : : I was sending the file at a speed of 9600. : : Please note that I am relatively new to Kermit and unsure as to where : to look in terms of setting up parameters to fix such an error. I'm : not even sure if I have provided enough information here to obtain a : proper response. : So any help would be greatly appreciated. : Checksum errors can be caused by data corruption or data loss. This is why we have checksums in the first place. But in the IBM mainframe world, which uses parity, they can also be caused by a parity mismatch. Make sure your client program is set to use the same parity (even, mark, etc) that the mainframe (or its front end) expects. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 12 10:45:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16879 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00271 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:15:16 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit for system V, rev. 3 Date: 12 Jan 1999 15:15:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <77fou4$84$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <01be3e03$f64fc700$350a0164@tomle>, Tom Lekang wrote: : I'm searching for Kermit for an old Unisys 6031-server, running System V : (386/486) rev. 3.00. Does anybody know where to find a working version of : Kermit? : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html Get the source code and makefile, and then "make sys5r3". - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 12 11:45:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06015 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08802 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:19:21 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@06.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Kermit for system V, rev. 3 Date: 12 Jan 1999 16:19:07 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <77fslr$gop$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Tom Lekang (tlekang@online.no) wrote: : I'm searching for Kermit for an old Unisys 6031-server, running System V : (386/486) rev. 3.00. Does anybody know where to find a working version of : Kermit? The object is at ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/ckuker.sys5r3c-unisys6000 I think I compiled this one on a U6000/65, but I forget which OS. The compile of the source is clean, so if you have a compiler, http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html will lead you to source. Read the Makefile for "Unisys" comments. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 12 13:15:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04000 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:15:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA23007 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:49:06 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Subject: Re: Help: Transmitting to Kermit TSO 4.3.2 Date: 12 Jan 1999 17:49:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <77g1uh$lt0$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <369a9176.10188882@news.ozemail.com.au>, : wrote: : : I previously had Kermit TSO 4.0 and have upgraded to Kermit TSO : : 4.3.2. Note that 4.0 was not a production release of TSO Kermit. If you had it working, it must have been considerably modified. : : I was sending the file at a speed of 9600. The SPEED setting in Kermit-370 has nothing to do with success or failure, but is used only for the purpose of computing the throughput efficiency. : Checksum errors can be caused by data corruption or data loss. This is : why we have checksums in the first place. : But in the IBM mainframe world, which uses parity, they can also be caused : by a parity mismatch. Make sure your client program is set to use the same : parity (even, mark, etc) that the mainframe (or its front end) expects. If your connection to the mainframe is in line mode, i.e., if TSO Kermit says "Controller is TTY" or "Controller is VTAMTTY", then the most likely cause of your problem is a mismatch between the ASCII/EBCDIC translation tables used by the system (VTAM or whatever) and by Kermit. The corrective action is to make the tables agree, most likely by installing a SYS1.KERMINI or, if need be, by modifying Kermit itself. This procedure is described in some detail in the user's guide for TSO Kermit. John Chandler From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 12 23:15:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02378 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:15:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA19632 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:55:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: news@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov Subject: cmsg cancel <04019921.0026@aol.com> Message-ID: Organization: http://www.msfc.nasa.gov Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 03:55:14 GMT To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 14 11:45:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09771 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18175 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:27:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit support bbs off-line Date: 14 Jan 1999 16:27:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <77l5tc$hnj$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , arthur marsh wrote: : I haven't been able to get onto the kermit support bbs recently via : telneting to bbs.kermit.columbia.edu (site is pingable still), so tonight : I tried a direct dial and received a "NO ANSWER" response. : : Is the bbs off-line permanently? : It was down for a while but now it's back up. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 15 12:45:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25115 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27879 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:25:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Baus" Subject: Problem with a script Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:18:25 -0800 Organization: Baus & Associates Message-ID: <77nt11$s9h$1@sparky.wolfe.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I am attempting to run the following script, blatanly stolen from my Using MS-DOS book for 3.11 although I am probably actually using 2.32. I think because of memory issues. The problem is in the initial attempt to connect, seconds after the receiving PC answers, the PC running the script thinks it failed and goes to the redial loop. It does connect on the first redial attemp. Any thoughts? Steve set port 2 set speed 9600 set input timeout proceed output ATZ\13 input 2 OK if fail goto mstop set count 5 set input echo on pause 3 goto dial :REDIAL echo redialing... :DIAL output ATDT9230822\13 pause 10 input 45 \10 input 5 \10 if success goto gotmsg hangup goto again :GOTMSG reinput 2 CONNECT if success goto transfile hangup pause 10 :AGAIN if count goto redial goto mstop :TRANSFILE GET \dds\2MIDL\transmit\*.* Get \dds\transmit\*.* S adjusts.dbf Get \dds\version.dbf :mstop hangup quit From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 15 13:15:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04344 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29610 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:06:30 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Problem with a script Date: 15 Jan 1999 18:06:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <77o035$st7$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <77nt11$s9h$1@sparky.wolfe.net>, Baus wrote: : I am attempting to run the following script, blatanly stolen from my Using : MS-DOS book for 3.11 although I am probably actually using 2.32. I think : because of memory issues. The problem is in the initial attempt to connect, : seconds after the receiving PC answers, the PC running the script thinks it : failed and goes to the redial loop. It does connect on the first redial : attemp. : All bets are off when you try to run a script written for a later software version on an earlier one. The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.15 and its scripting capabilities are much more advanced. If you actually have Windows 95/98/NT, then you should be using Kermit 95 anyway, which has a built-in DIAL command, so you don't need this kind of script at all. Assuming you are running DOS, try installing the current version of MS-DOS Kermit. If you're tight on memory, choose the "medium" version, which has TCP/IP and Tektronix sripped out. Then if you have further difficulties, send details to: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 15 14:45:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06086 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03634 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:28:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: daniel.mendyke@digital.com (Daniel) Subject: Status line Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:18:13 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Message-ID: <77o4gt$kcp$1@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way to toggle the status line at the bottom of the screen? With only a limited number of lines on a mono monitor I'd like to use them all for the current session. Thanks. -Daniel From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 15 14:45:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06122 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03929 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:31:10 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Status line Date: 15 Jan 1999 19:31:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <77o51u$3qn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <77o4gt$kcp$1@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, Daniel wrote: : : : Is there a way to toggle the status line at the bottom : of the screen? With only a limited number of lines : on a mono monitor I'd like to use them all for the current : session. Thanks. : Which Kermit program? Which version? On what platform? From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 15 15:15:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13882 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05494 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:08:46 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Problem with a script Date: 15 Jan 1999 20:08:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <77o78e$5bk$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <77o6jh$5lp$1@sparky.wolfe.net>, Baus wrote: : I tried the 3.15 medium and the problem with that is F is not usable. what is 'F'? Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 15 15:15:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13896 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05430 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:05:07 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Baus" Subject: Re: Problem with a script Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:01:51 -0800 Organization: Baus & Associates Message-ID: <77o6jh$5lp$1@sparky.wolfe.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I tried the 3.15 medium and the problem with that is F is not usable. Frank da Cruz wrote in message <77o035$st7$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <77nt11$s9h$1@sparky.wolfe.net>, Baus wrote: >: I am attempting to run the following script, blatanly stolen from my Using >: MS-DOS book for 3.11 although I am probably actually using 2.32. I think >: because of memory issues. The problem is in the initial attempt to connect, >: seconds after the receiving PC answers, the PC running the script thinks it >: failed and goes to the redial loop. It does connect on the first redial >: attemp. >: >All bets are off when you try to run a script written for a later software >version on an earlier one. > >The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.15 and its scripting capabilities >are much more advanced. If you actually have Windows 95/98/NT, then you >should be using Kermit 95 anyway, which has a built-in DIAL command, so you >don't need this kind of script at all. > >Assuming you are running DOS, try installing the current version of MS-DOS >Kermit. If you're tight on memory, choose the "medium" version, which has >TCP/IP and Tektronix sripped out. > >Then if you have further difficulties, send details to: > > kermit-support@columbia.edu > >- Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 15 16:15:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29164 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:15:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08000 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:03:57 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@05.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: ZModem in Solaris Date: 15 Jan 1999 21:03:43 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <77oaff$bq8$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : for UNIX, it will go fast without your even telling it. We always thought : it was more important to make it *work* out of the box than make it fast : out of the box and the risk of not working, but that's the wrong psychology : for the 90s. That is quite true. The product will be discarded in moments if it works but is not fast. If it doesn't work, some attempts will be made to make it work. "everyone" knows that Kermit will always work, on any pathetic line in the world, between any two machines. "They" never expected it to be fast, and don't make any attempt to get it there. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 15 16:15:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29174 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07315 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:50:28 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: ZModem in Solaris Date: 15 Jan 1999 20:50:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <77o9mj$74g$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <369E646E.6B84D12B@home.com>, R. Ostrowski wrote: : Michael T Pins wrote: : > "R. Ostrowski" writes: : > >I am looking for a zmodem utility for solaris. I currently use one in : > >SunOS, but need one for solaris. I am tired of using kermit to send : > >large files. : > : > Why are you tired of using Kermit? : > Properly configured, it's just as fast as Zmodem, and considerably more : > robust. Or are you using an ancient version of Kermit? : > : > : I find kermit to be much slower in file transfer. : : Maybe I am not using the best file transfer protocol within kermit : : I usually use kermit to dial a remote sun from another sun (or in some : cases a standard windows terminal program). i then run kermit at the : remote sun, go into host mode and get or mget the file(s). : The current version of C-Kermit for Solaris is 6.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html As noted, it is both fast and robust. Ancient versions were robust, but not very fast. C-Kermit 6.0 is plenty fast if you tell it to be -- you only need one command for that: "fast". C-Kermit 7.0 will be announced soon, and unlike earlier versions of Kermit for UNIX, it will go fast without your even telling it. We always thought it was more important to make it *work* out of the box than make it fast out of the box and the risk of not working, but that's the wrong psychology for the 90s. Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jan 16 15:15:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03869 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04538 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:08:29 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Telnet macro. Does it exist? Date: 16 Jan 1999 20:08:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <77qrjs$4dn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <77p8q2$r4n$1@jupiter.mcs.net>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: : In article <369F9217.576CB86C@newbridge.com>, : Christian Brideau wrote: : >I want to automate complete telnet sessions. In other words, logon-do : >stuff-get out. : > : >Is this scriptable? If not is there a macro software out there that I : >could use to perform this task? : : Kermit from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ has a reasonable scripting : language that works the same with serial ports or telnet sessions. : Right. This is a better solution than expect combined with regular telnet, since it is self-contained, eliminating timing and coordination problems that might occur between the two local applications, on top of whatever might happen at the remote end. A typical Kermit script for making a Telnet connection might look like this; this assumes you already have the following variables set: \%h = hostname \%u = username on host \%p = password for user on host \%s = shell prompt on host (e.g. \13\10$\32) Backslash followed by digit indicates an ASCII character value, so the prompt example means "carriage return, linefeed, dollar sign, space" or (in plain words) a dollar sign on the left margin. These can be set in any of various ways -- hardwired into the script (bad idea), prompted for interactively, taken from environment variables, read from a database, etc. Here's the script: set host \%h ; Make the connection if failure stop 1 Connection failure ; Check for failure input 30 login: ; Wait 30 sec for login: prompt. if failure stop 1 No login prompt ; Give up on timeout output \%u\13 ; Send user ID and carriage return. input 10 Password: ; Wait 10 sec for Password: prompt. output \%p\13 ; Send password and carriage return. input 60 \%s ; Wait 60 sec for shell prompt. Now you're logged in and ready to give system commands, for example: output kermit -x\13 ; Start remote Kermit in server mode. send neworders.txt ; Tell local Kermit to send a file. if success delete neworders.txt ; Delete source file if OK. get inventory.txt ; Download a file from the server etc etc. When done: bye ; Shut down and log out the server. exit The "exit" command automatically closes the connection. This simple example should be enough to get you started. There's lots more; loops, functions, arrays, etc. More info at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jan 16 15:45:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11905 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:45:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05054 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:24:10 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Subject: Re: Telnet macro. Does it exist? Date: 16 Jan 1999 14:23:53 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Message-ID: <77qsgp$cb5$1@Venus.mcs.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <77qrjs$4dn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >: Kermit from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ has a reasonable scripting >: language that works the same with serial ports or telnet sessions. >: >Right. This is a better solution than expect combined with regular telnet, >since it is self-contained, eliminating timing and coordination problems that >might occur between the two local applications, on top of whatever might >happen at the remote end. It's too bad more people don't know about kermit these days... Have you considered trying to work something out so RedHat could ship a copy on their Linux distribution at least along with the commercial app demos? I'd expect it to be a win in terms of book sales in the long run. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jan 17 12:45:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22769 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:45:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25878 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:39:36 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Subject: cmsg cancel <8d50.7584.aa@trhwr> ignore no reply Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:39:23 +0000 From: andrew@erlenstar.demon.co.uk Organization: Annihilator v0.3 To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Spam (EMP) cancelled. Cancel ID: IX(E*][Q9(0'4BTT`Q9MC->R55L.(92T-X)=9#-&G;P'XH6+/E'$Y&>R From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 18 12:15:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06494 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10979 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:03:10 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@82.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Telnet macro. Does it exist? Date: 18 Jan 1999 17:02:49 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <77vpfp$s7l$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Leslie Mikesell (les@MCS.COM) wrote: : It's too bad more people don't know about kermit these days... Have : you considered trying to work something out so RedHat could ship : a copy on their Linux distribution at least along with the The Kermit folks don't want distributable copies sitting somewhere else, but RedHat could certainly point to the binary that RedHat provides to columbia, in any one of their lists. They could put it in several places, where an RPM ought to be, and instead of an RPM, just have a link to http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html#getit or, directly to the appropriate RPM package, one step further. This varies by machine type, though. This page also references binaries for Debian, Slackware, and others. And of course, the source is always available, and, as much as they can keep up with changes in Linux, it compiles cleanly. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 18 12:15:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06497 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:15:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10113 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:40:29 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Subject: not the same string with echo as with write file Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:43:37 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Message-ID: <36a35d8c.97279@news.calvacom.fr> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hello from France, I apologize for my wrong English, I hope you'll understand what I want. MS-Kermit 3.15 under MS-DOS 6.2 With the under take file I want to have the same output string on screen and in a file : ; ------------ Beginning of take file ---------------- def Avion A320 def Ename AKA10AAJ def Filelog Essai.log def Log_S Fichier def SN ECDD3022 def \%h T1 def \%n 005 def \%p 1459M55 ; def print_PC open append \m(FileLog),- write file {\v(Time) \%1\13\10},close write-file ; ; Warning : the next two lines are only one line (Word Wrap) ass Affiche copy C:\\KERMIT\\FICHIERS\\\m(Ename).\%h C:\\\m(Avion)\\\%p\\\m(SN)\\\v(ndate).\%n ; echo {\m(Affiche)} print_PC {\m(Affiche)} ; ------------ End of take file ---------------- The echo line does exactly what I want : Warning : the next two lines are only one line (Word Wrap) 14:55:37 copy C:\KERMIT\FICHIERS\AKA10AAJ.T1 C:\A320\1459M55\ECDD3022\19990118.005 Unfortunately, the content of the file ESSAI.LOG is not the same as the screen but : Warning : the next two lines are only one line (Word Wrap) 14:55:37 copy C:\KERMIT\FICHIERS\AKA10AAJ.T1 C:\A320‘9M55\ECDD3022Ç90118.005 Despite the fact that the value seen by "show macro Affiche" is right, it seems that it is badly interpreted inside the macro "print_PC". The "\\\%p" is not interpreted as one "\" plus the content of the macro \%p but as a character "\145" plus characters following i.e. "9M55". There is the same thing for "\\\v(ndate)" that is interpreted as character "\199" plus characters following i.e. "90118" in place of string "\19990118". Is there a bug or a misunderstanding ? Is there a way to bypass this problem ? Thank you for your attention. -- == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 18 13:15:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22365 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA13421 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:53:41 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: not the same string with echo as with write file Date: 18 Jan 1999 17:53:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <77vsf4$d39$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36a35d8c.97279@news.calvacom.fr>, Dominique Ottello wrote: : MS-Kermit 3.15 under MS-DOS 6.2 : : With the under take file I want to have the same output string on screen : and in a file : : ; ------------ Beginning of take file ---------------- : def Avion A320 : def Ename AKA10AAJ : def Filelog Essai.log : def Log_S Fichier : def SN ECDD3022 : def \%h T1 : def \%n 005 : def \%p 1459M55 : ; : def print_PC open append \m(FileLog),- : write file {\v(Time) \%1\13\10},close write-file : ; : ; Warning : the next two lines are only one line (Word Wrap) : ass Affiche copy C:\\KERMIT\\FICHIERS\\\m(Ename).\%h : C:\\\m(Avion)\\\%p\\\m(SN)\\\v(ndate).\%n : ; : echo {\m(Affiche)} : print_PC {\m(Affiche)} : ; ------------ End of take file ---------------- : : The echo line does exactly what I want : : Warning : the next two lines are only one line (Word Wrap) : 14:55:37 copy C:\KERMIT\FICHIERS\AKA10AAJ.T1 : C:\A320\1459M55\ECDD3022\19990118.005 : : Unfortunately, the content of the file ESSAI.LOG is not the same as the : screen but : : Warning : the next two lines are only one line (Word Wrap) : 14:55:37 copy C:\KERMIT\FICHIERS\AKA10AAJ.T1 : C:\A320‘9M55\ECDD3022Ç90118.005 : : Despite the fact that the value seen by "show macro Affiche" is right, it : seems that it is badly interpreted inside the macro "print_PC". : : The "\\\%p" is not interpreted as one "\" plus the content of the macro \%p : but as a character "\145" plus characters following i.e. "9M55". There is : the same thing for "\\\v(ndate)" that is interpreted as character "\199" : plus characters following i.e. "90118" in place of string "\19990118". : : Is there a bug or a misunderstanding ? : : Is there a way to bypass this problem ? : Perhaps the worst thing about the Kermit script language is the conflict between its use of backslash (\) as the "distinguished character" and the use of backslash by DOS as the directory separator. Luckily we can get around this problem in Windows 95/98/NT and OS/2 by using "/" rather than "\" as the directory separator (in most cases), but that is not possible in DOS. Of course we would have different, but similar, problems no matter what other distinguished character was chosen. When a DOS filename or a directory segment starts with a digit we have double trouble. For example, suppose you have the following DOS directory: C:\123 (which, in fact, is well-known to Lotus users). To Kermit, "\123" means "character number 123", which happens to be "{". In your case, you have: C:\A320\1459M55\ECDD3022\19990118.005 turning into: C:\A320‘9M55\ECDD3022Ç90118.005 Why is this happening? Because ECHO is a command. The argument of ECHO is evaluated once in its executation. But print_PC is a macro. Its argument is evaluated in the command: print_PC {\m(Affiche)} itself, but then, inside the macro, \m(Affiche) has been assigned to \%1, which is evaluated again. Try this: def print_PC open append \m(FileLog),- write file {\v(Time) \fcontents(\%1)\13\10},close write-file - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 18 13:45:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02826 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14827 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:26:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: daniel.mendyke@digital.com (Daniel) Subject: Re: Status line Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 15:00:13 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Message-ID: <77vih6$qcj$1@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <77o51u$3qn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >: >Which Kermit program? Which version? On what platform? > Sorry, I'm running kermit 3.15 from FreeDOS (MSDOS). I've learned how to toggle the status line, minus key on the number pad. What I would like to know now is how to start a script automatically when kermit starts? -Daniel From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 18 13:45:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02828 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA15338 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:39:15 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Status line Date: 18 Jan 1999 18:39:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <77vv4j$ev8$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <77vih6$qcj$1@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, Daniel wrote: : In article <77o51u$3qn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: : >Which Kermit program? Which version? On what platform? : > : Sorry, I'm running kermit 3.15 from FreeDOS (MSDOS). : I've learned how to toggle the status line, minus key on : the number pad. What I would like to know now is how : to start a script automatically when kermit starts? : When MS-DOS Kermit starts, it automatically executes the MSKERMIT.INI file. The standard MSKERMIT.INI file (which you should not modify, for support reasons), executes your MSCUSTOM.INI file. You can put any commands you like into the MSCUSTOM.INI file. You can also start MS-DOS Kermit like this: kermit -f filename to make it execute any file you want. See the manual for details: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jan 18 16:45:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21776 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21841 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:20:13 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: daniel.mendyke@digital.com (Daniel) Subject: Re: Status line Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:10:46 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Message-ID: <780880$c1q$1@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu >See the manual for details: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html > >- Frank Frank, that you for the information. I visited the web site you listed but it doesn't seem to be an on-line manual. It just lists several books I can buy about kermit. -Daniel From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 19 06:15:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA18581 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA27502 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:06:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: arthur marsh Subject: Re: Status line Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:06:09 +0100 Organization: International Telecommunication Union (ITU) Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu The only way that the Kermit project makes money is from book sales, sales of Kermit 95 and licensing of Kermit for inclusion in other packages (like HU-UX). By purchasing the Kermit books you not only support the Kermit project, you also get some of the best books on using computer software that you will find anywhere that will help you get the most out of Kermit for transfering files, terminal emulation, character set translation and scripting. Regards, Arthur. On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Daniel wrote: > > >See the manual for details: > > > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html > > > >- Frank > > Frank, that you for the information. > I visited the web site you listed but it doesn't > seem to be an on-line manual. It just lists > several books I can buy about kermit. > > -Daniel > > > > From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 19 13:45:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15143 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:45:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16237 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:26:30 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Subject: Re: not the same string with echo as with write file Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:07:44 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Message-ID: <36a5c258.1103743@news.calvacom.fr> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Le 18 Jan 1999 17:53:40 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) écrivait : > Try this: > > def print_PC open append \m(FileLog),- > write file {\v(Time) \fcontents(\%1)\13\10},close write-file I tried and ..... there is the same problem. I also tried many, many commands and syntax : \Fcontents, \Fliteral, with or without parameter \%1, with the macro \m(Affiche) in place of parameter \%1, with the complete string in place of parameter \%, with commands open, write file and close not inside a macro.... and, all times, the command "write file" evaluates the string and always give me : C:\A320‘9M55\ECDD3022Ç90118.005 in place of C:\A320\1459M55\ECDD3022\19990118.005 I bypass the problem by use of external DOS command echo and another macro only for parameter that can be evaluated wrong def print_PC_DOS run echo \v(Time) \%1 >> \m(Filelog) I'll use this new macro only to correct the line where the problem is because the use of DOS command echo generate CR/LF on the screen. Thank you for your cooperation. -- == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 19 14:45:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05486 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19310 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:34:14 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: not the same string with echo as with write file Date: 19 Jan 1999 19:34:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <782mnk$irc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36a5c258.1103743@news.calvacom.fr>, Dominique Ottello wrote: : Le 18 Jan 1999 17:53:40 GMT, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) écrivait : : : > Try this: : > : > def print_PC open append \m(FileLog),- : > write file {\v(Time) \fcontents(\%1)\13\10},close write-file : : I tried and ..... there is the same problem. : : I also tried many, many commands and syntax : \Fcontents, \Fliteral, with : or without parameter \%1, with the macro \m(Affiche) in place of parameter : \%1, with the complete string in place of parameter \%, with commands open, : write file and close not inside a macro.... and, all times, the command : "write file" evaluates the string and always give me : : C:\A320‘9M55\ECDD3022Ç90118.005 : in place of : C:\A320\1459M55\ECDD3022\19990118.005 : : I bypass the problem by use of external DOS command echo and another macro : only for parameter that can be evaluated wrong : : def print_PC_DOS run echo \v(Time) \%1 >> \m(Filelog) : : I'll use this new macro only to correct the line where the problem is : because the use of DOS command echo generate CR/LF on the screen. : The proposed solution works in Kermit 95 and C-Kermit. I also tried it in MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 Alpha and it worked there too. Then I tried in 3.15. Without enclosing \%1 in \fcontents(): [C:\K95\TMP] MS-Kermit>tak x.ksc copy C:\KERMIT\FICHIERS\AKA10AAJ.T1 C:\A320\1459M55\ECDD3022\19990119.005 15:21:53 copy C:\KERMIT\FICHIERS\AKA10AAJ.T1 C:\A320æ9M55\ECDD302290119.005 After enclosing \%1 in \fcontents(): [C:\K95\TMP] MS-Kermit>tak x.ksc copy C:\KERMIT\FICHIERS\AKA10AAJ.T1 C:\A320\1459M55\ECDD3022\19990119.005 15:19:49 copy C:\KERMIT\FICHIERS\AKA10AAJ.T1 (word wrap) C:\A320\1459M55\ECDD3022\19990119.005 This is using your macro definition, but replacing WRITE FILE by ECHO. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 22 09:16:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23311 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA10537 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:04:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Mike Collins Subject: directory transfer Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:03:12 -0600 Organization: Texas Tech Academic Computing Services Message-ID: <36A87710.790E@ttuhsc.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Good morning, I am having a problem transfering directory structures between 2 vms machines. Both are using ckermit 6.1 under vms 7.1 I log in to the local machine and telnet to the remote machine. I then break back to the local machine and type "get [.*]*". Files themselves are transfered correctly but when the first subdirectory is reached, kermit on the local machine give the "directory creation failed" and the transfer ends at that point. "Pathnames:on" are set on both ends and I am logged into both machines under the system account. I have a debugging log if needed. Thanks, Mike Collins Systems TTUHSC From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 22 10:16:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06663 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13102 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:02:41 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: directory transfer Date: 22 Jan 1999 15:02:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78a3ud$cpb$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36A87710.790E@ttuhsc.edu>, Mike Collins wrote: : I am having a problem transfering directory structures between 2 vms : machines. Both are using ckermit 6.1 under vms 7.1 I log in to the : local machine and telnet to the remote machine. I then break back to : the local machine and type "get [.*]*". Files themselves are transfered : correctly but when the first subdirectory is reached, kermit on the : local machine give the "directory creation failed" and the transfer ends : at that point. : Well, that's a good sign -- it shows that the sender is sending directory names, and the receiver is trying to create them, but failing for some reason. : "Pathnames:on" are set on both ends and I am logged into : both machines under the system account. I have a debugging log if : needed. : Yes, please send it to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Just the one from the receiving end should suffice. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 22 13:46:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03332 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA22701 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:25:14 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: sleeping for random amounts of time Message-ID: Organization: ICGNetcom Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:21:10 GMT To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi gang, I want to write a kermit script to thrash a device I'm working on. In doing so, I want the script to be able to insert random pauses in the data stream. I figured the msleep command would provide the pauses, but I see no builting random() function call or anything like that. I didn't see a relevent posting in a DejaNews search; so I was wondering if anyone had a good idea for generating a random number in a kermit script? Matthew H. Gerlach From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 22 14:46:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06931 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA25249 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:19:41 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: sleeping for random amounts of time Date: 22 Jan 1999 19:19:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78aj0c$oku$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , Matthew H. Gerlach wrote: : I want to write a kermit script to thrash a device I'm working on. : In doing so, I want the script to be able to insert random pauses : in the data stream. : : I figured the msleep command would provide the pauses, but I see no : builting random() function call or anything like that. I didn't see : a relevent posting in a DejaNews search; so I was wondering if anyone : had a good idea for generating a random number in a kermit script? : It depends on the Kermit program and version. Kermit 95 1.1.17 (the current version) has a function that returns a random integer within the given range. C-Kermit 7.0, to be announced for testing soon, has this too. Otherwise you can use something like \fright(\v(ntime),2) (the rightmost 2 digits of the number of seconds since midnight). - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jan 23 13:16:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12525 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01790 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:15:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: Re: sleeping for random amounts of time Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:12:40 GMT To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Thank you for the usual prompt and useful answer. The great support is one of many reasons I use kermit and tell anyone who'll listen to use kermit. Most of the time I use Ckermit on a variety of Unix, but when I need to do something for a PC Kermit95 does the trick. It sounds to me that I'll get the CKermit 7.0 and give it a go. Will this function be mentioned in the source code's documentation? Matthew In article <78aj0c$oku$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article , >Matthew H. Gerlach wrote: >: I want to write a kermit script to thrash a device I'm working on. >: In doing so, I want the script to be able to insert random pauses >: in the data stream. >: >: I figured the msleep command would provide the pauses, but I see no >: builting random() function call or anything like that. I didn't see >: a relevent posting in a DejaNews search; so I was wondering if anyone >: had a good idea for generating a random number in a kermit script? >: >It depends on the Kermit program and version. Kermit 95 1.1.17 (the >current version) has a function that returns a random integer within >the given range. > >C-Kermit 7.0, to be announced for testing soon, has this too. > >Otherwise you can use something like \fright(\v(ntime),2) (the rightmost >2 digits of the number of seconds since midnight). > >- Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jan 24 17:47:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA15050 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:47:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17660 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:33:13 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: sleeping for random amounts of time Date: 24 Jan 1999 22:33:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78g737$h7q$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , Matthew H. Gerlach wrote: : : Thank you for the usual prompt and useful answer. The great support : is one of many reasons I use kermit and tell anyone who'll listen to use : kermit. : Thanks! : Most of the time I use Ckermit on a variety of Unix, but when I need to : do something for a PC Kermit95 does the trick. : : It sounds to me that I'll get the CKermit 7.0 and give it a go. Will : this function be mentioned in the source code's documentation? : Of course. The function is \frandom(n); it returns a pseudorandom integer between 0 and n-1. If you want to do random sleeps with smaller granularity than a second, you can use something like: msleep(\frandom(3000)) (sleep a random amount of time between 0 and 2999 milliseconds.) - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jan 26 20:17:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19839 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA00032 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:48:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Evgeni Krimer Subject: using C-Kermit (on Linux) to comm. with RS-232 device Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:09:20 +0200 Organization: Technion - Israel Institute of Technology Message-ID: <36ADCC90.6509@techst02.technion.ac.il> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I am tring to communicate with RS-232 device , working on Linux platform with C-Kermit. All I have to do is : 1. to send (binary) set of commands 2. to recive (binary) responce the question is : HOW DO I RECIVE UNKNOWN AMOUNT OF DATA? Please if you could give a short example of such a script... Thank you Evgeni Krimer sek@techst02.technion.ac.il From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 27 02:18:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA27919 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 02:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA18034 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 02:06:32 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Muljawan Hendrianto Subject: NEWBIE:C-Kermit for sending numeric pager Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:06:10 +0800 Organization: Siemens Inc. Message-ID: <36AEBAE1.8EAB8AD3@siemens.com.sg> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I am running the C-Kermit 6.1.193 Beta.05, 7 May 1998, for Linux RedHat. I want to use it for sending numeric pager, but I don't know what is the correct format of the dial command to do it. In the C-Kermit Book, I only found the following, C-Kermit>dial 5551234@nnnnnnnnn#; Which should be working for Hayes or compatible modem according to C-Kermit's Book. I am using Motorola Codex 3265 modem, I tried several times using the above format but I wasn't successful , and got "Busy" error messages. Is there any standard format to use for sending numeric pager, or does it depend on the Pager Service Provider? Thanks. Muljawan From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 27 09:48:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11978 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28100 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:39:15 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: NEWBIE:C-Kermit for sending numeric pager Date: 27 Jan 1999 14:39:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78n8ec$re2$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36AEBAE1.8EAB8AD3@siemens.com.sg>, Muljawan Hendrianto wrote: : I am running the C-Kermit 6.1.193 Beta.05, 7 May 1998, for Linux RedHat. : : I want to use it for sending numeric pager, but I don't know what is the : correct format of the dial command to do it. : In the C-Kermit Book, I only found the following, : : C-Kermit>dial 5551234@nnnnnnnnn#; : : Which should be working for Hayes or compatible modem according to : C-Kermit's Book. I am using Motorola Codex 3265 modem, : But that is not one of Kermit's built-in modem types. What did you use for a "set modem type" command? Does the Codex 3265 use the AT command set? : I tried several times using the above format but I wasn't successful, : and got "Busy" error messages. Is there any standard format to use : for sending numeric pager, or does it depend on the Pager Service : Provider? : There is no standard. It depends on both the service provider and the modem. The basic steps are: 1. Use touch-tone (not pulse) dialing. If tone dialing is not available in your area, you probably can't send numeric pages. 2. Dial the pager service number. 3. Wait till the phone answers: "@" in the example above, but "@" is not necessarily supported by all modems -- in case it isn't, put ",,,,,," (a series of commas to get the needed amount of pausing) or other notation understood by your modem. 4. The message: nnnnnnnnn" in the example. 5. The "pound" key (#). Most modems will send the "pound" tone when "#" is included in the dial string, but I can't guarantee that every modem will. 6. A semicolon at the end. This tells the modem to return to command state rather than waiting for carrier tones. There is not a modem on the other end of the call so there will be no carrier. By the way, if you would like C-Kermit to support your modem directly, you can send a copy of the manual (or at least the part the lists the command set and response codes) to us. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 27 11:18:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07573 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02492 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:11:32 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: using C-Kermit (on Linux) to comm. with RS-232 device Date: 27 Jan 1999 16:11:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78ndrh$2dq$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ADCC90.6509@techst02.technion.ac.il>, Evgeni Krimer wrote: : I am tring to communicate with RS-232 device , : working on Linux platform with C-Kermit. : : All I have to do is : : 1. to send (binary) set of commands : 2. to recive (binary) responce : : the question is : : HOW DO I RECIVE UNKNOWN AMOUNT OF DATA? : : Please if you could give a short example of such a script... : The INPUT and MINPUT commands let you receive data: a. For a given amount of time, or: b. Until a certain character string comes, or: c. Until one of several character strings come, or: d. Until any character comes. Each of these methods is described in the manual, along with the method for retrieving the data values thus obtained. The method you should use depends on how Kermit is supposed to know when the responce is finished. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 27 17:18:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21404 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA21256 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:05:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Baus" Subject: Exiting K95 server mode Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:55:38 -0800 Organization: Baus & Associates Message-ID: <78o1uj$b9l$1@sparky.wolfe.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I have had an old K95, I believe 1.1 laying around and just started playing with it earlier today. Set it up in server mode and sure enough was able to transfer files but can not get it to exit out to the K95 prompt. 2 questions, what am I doing wrong and what are my upgrade options? Dragging, kicking and screaming into the 32 bit software world... Steve Baus From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 27 17:18:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21444 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA21731 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:15:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Exiting K95 server mode Date: 27 Jan 1999 22:15:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78o36u$l70$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <78o1uj$b9l$1@sparky.wolfe.net>, Baus wrote: : I have had an old K95, I believe 1.1 laying around and just started playing : with it earlier today. Set it up in server mode and sure enough was able to : transfer files but can not get it to exit out to the K95 prompt. : First, make sure you have the current version, which is 1.1.17: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html If you don't, get the appropriate patch at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html Once K95 enters server mode, you can get it back to its prompt by typing Ctrl-C in its window, or you can send a FINISH command to it from the client. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 27 17:48:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA15323 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA23407 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:47:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Yasir Hassan Subject: NEWBIE: Can't build kermit on Linux (Red Hat 5.1) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:44:58 +0000 Message-ID: <36AF96EA.F388D12B@sibelius.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I downloaded cku192.tar.gz and tried to build using "make linux" and got the following output from make: Making C-Kermit "6.0.192" for Linux... IMPORTANT: Read the comments in the linux section of the makefile if you get compilation or link errors. make wermit "CC = gcc" "CC2 = gcc" \ "CFLAGS = -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG \ -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND " \ "LNKFLAGS = " "LIBS = -lcurses -ltermcap" make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/bin/kermit' gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckcmai.c -o ckcmai.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckucmd.c -o ckucmd.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuusr.c -o ckuusr.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus2.c -o ckuus2.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus3.c -o ckuus3.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus4.c -o ckuus4.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus5.c -o ckuus5.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus6.c -o ckuus6.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuus7.c -o ckuus7.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuusx.c -o ckuusx.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuusy.c -o ckuusy.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckwart.c -o ckwart.o gcc -o wart ckwart.o -lcurses -ltermcap ./wart ckcpro.w ckcpro.c 14 states, 61 actions gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckcpro.c -o ckcpro.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckcfns.c -o ckcfns.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckcfn2.c -o ckcfn2.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckcfn3.c -o ckcfn3.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckuxla.c -o ckuxla.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckucon.c -o ckucon.o gcc -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG -DBIGBUFOK -DTCPSOCKET -DLINUXFSSTND -c ckutio.c -o ckutio.o In file included from /usr/include/linux/net.h:23, from /usr/include/linux/fs.h:15, from ckutio.c:668: /usr/include/linux/socket.h:38: warning: `SCM_RIGHTS' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:216: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:41: warning: `SOCK_STREAM' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:40: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:42: warning: `SOCK_DGRAM' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:43: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:43: warning: `SOCK_RAW' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:45: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:44: warning: `SOCK_RDM' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:47: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:45: warning: `SOCK_SEQPACKET' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:50: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:46: warning: `SOCK_PACKET' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:54: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:53: warning: `AF_UNSPEC' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:82: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:54: warning: `AF_UNIX' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:84: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:55: warning: `AF_INET' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:86: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:56: warning: `AF_AX25' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:87: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:57: warning: `AF_IPX' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:88: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:58: warning: `AF_APPLETALK' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:89: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:59: warning: `AF_NETROM' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:90: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:60: warning: `AF_BRIDGE' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:91: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:61: warning: `AF_AAL5' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:92: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:62: warning: `AF_X25' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:93: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:66: warning: `AF_MAX' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:103: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:69: warning: `PF_UNSPEC' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:58: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:70: warning: `PF_UNIX' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:60: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:71: warning: `PF_INET' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:62: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:72: warning: `PF_AX25' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:63: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:73: warning: `PF_IPX' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:64: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:74: warning: `PF_APPLETALK' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:65: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:75: warning: `PF_NETROM' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:66: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:76: warning: `PF_BRIDGE' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:67: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:77: warning: `PF_AAL5' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:68: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:78: warning: `PF_X25' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:69: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:82: warning: `PF_MAX' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:79: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:88: warning: `MSG_OOB' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:137: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:89: warning: `MSG_PEEK' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:139: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:90: warning: `MSG_DONTROUTE' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:141: warning: this is the location of the previous definition /usr/include/linux/socket.h:92: warning: `MSG_PROXY' redefined /usr/include/socketbits.h:145: warning: this is the location of the previous definition In file included from /usr/include/linux/vfs.h:4, from /usr/include/linux/fs.h:14, from ckutio.c:668: /usr/include/asm/statfs.h:20: parse error before `__kernel_fsid_t' /usr/include/asm/statfs.h:20: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union /usr/include/asm/statfs.h:23: parse error before `}' In file included from /usr/include/linux/net.h:23, from /usr/include/linux/fs.h:15, from ckutio.c:668: /usr/include/linux/socket.h:9: redefinition of `struct sockaddr' /usr/include/linux/socket.h:14: redefinition of `struct linger' /usr/include/linux/socket.h:26: redefinition of `struct msghdr' ckutio.c: In function `ttsspd': ckutio.c:4679: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function) ckutio.c:4679: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ckutio.c:4679: for each function it appears in.) ckutio.c:4685: `TIOCSSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function) ckutio.c: In function `ttgspd': ckutio.c:4833: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function) ckutio.c: In function `in_chk': ckutio.c:6092: warning: passing arg 3 of `select' from incompatible pointer type ckutio.c:6092: warning: passing arg 4 of `select' from incompatible pointer type make[1]: *** [ckutio.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/bin/kermit' make: *** [linux] Error 2 Can anyone help me out? Thanks in advance. Yasir Hassan From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 27 18:18:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22675 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA23715 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:52:57 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: NEWBIE: Can't build kermit on Linux (Red Hat 5.1) Date: 27 Jan 1999 22:52:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78o5c9$n51$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36AF96EA.F388D12B@sibelius.com>, Yasir Hassan wrote: : I downloaded cku192.tar.gz and tried to build using "make linux" and got : the following output from make: : Linux has changed since C-Kermit 6.0 was released. We'll be announcing a new C-Kermit version soon that will build OK under Red Hat 5.1 and later, as well as Slackware 3.5, and all the others. Watch this space for an announcement. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 27 19:18:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07277 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA26673 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:48:32 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: stephen@digitech.co.nz.nospam (Stephen Worthington) Message-ID: Subject: K2 hotkeys? Date: 28 Jan 1999 10:40:55 -1300 To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I am using Kermit/2 under OS/2 and I much enjoy being able to use the PgUp and PgDn keys to get immediate access to the scrollback buffer. Now I am having to turn on and off session logging frequently, so I made myself a macro (l) for this. However, I am finding it annoying to have to do the keystroke sequence do l each time I run the macro. Is there some way to assign this macro to hotkey in the same way that the PgUp and PdDn are assigned? From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 27 19:18:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07280 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA27496 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:04:24 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: K2 hotkeys? Date: 28 Jan 1999 00:04:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78o9i4$qr5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , Stephen Worthington wrote: : I am using Kermit/2 under OS/2 and I much enjoy being able to use the PgUp : and PgDn keys to get immediate access to the scrollback buffer. Now I am : having to turn on and off session logging frequently, so I made myself a : macro (l) for this. However, I am finding it annoying to have to do the : keystroke sequence do l each time I run the macro. Is : there some way to assign this macro to hotkey in the same way that the : PgUp and PdDn are assigned? : In fact, there is a way to assign a macro to a key: set key \xxx \Kname where xxx is the keycode and "name" is the macro name. Or, if you want this assignment active only for a particular terminal emulation: set terminal key vt100 \xxx \Kname (where "vt100" is the emulation name). But you don't need to do this to turn the session log on and off, since there already are Kverbs for that: \Klogoff (stop logging) \Klogon (start logging) By default, they are not assigned to any keys, so pick the keys of your choice. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 27 19:48:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15158 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:48:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA29004 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:37:54 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Jagan Annamalai Subject: Data Acquisition / RS-232 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:42:19 -0600 Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <36AFB26B.20B3C638@uh.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am trying to collect data from a Mass Spec, RS-232 (ASCII format, I can set the baud rate, etc). I downloaded MS-kermit. What commands do I use so that the data (for a given amount of time) is saved in a file on the PC? I have the manual by Gianone, but I am not able to figure it out :( Step by step instructions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot. -Jagan From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jan 27 19:48:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15161 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA29355 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:44:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Data Acquisition / RS-232 Date: 28 Jan 1999 00:44:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78obt9$sl8$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36AFB26B.20B3C638@uh.edu>, Jagan Annamalai wrote: : I am trying to collect data from a Mass Spec, RS-232 (ASCII format, I : can set the baud rate, etc). : : I downloaded MS-kermit. What commands do I use so that the data (for a : given amount of time) is saved in a file on the PC? : : I have the manual by Gianone, but I am not able to figure it out :( : Step by step instructions would be greatly appreciated. : log session fff input xxx yyy close session In this example, fff is the name of the desired capture file, xxx is the desired time interval, and yyy is a string that will never come. This makes it record into the file for xxx seconds. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 28 01:48:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29607 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA16003 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:25:05 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Jagan Annamalai Subject: Re: Data Acquisition / RS-232 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:29:47 -0600 Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <36B003DB.4A064936@uh.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Thanks for the quick response! -Jagan Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article <36AFB26B.20B3C638@uh.edu>, Jagan Annamalai wrote: > : I am trying to collect data from a Mass Spec, RS-232 (ASCII format, I > : can set the baud rate, etc). > : > : I downloaded MS-kermit. What commands do I use so that the data (for a > : given amount of time) is saved in a file on the PC? > : > : I have the manual by Gianone, but I am not able to figure it out :( > : Step by step instructions would be greatly appreciated. > : > log session fff > input xxx yyy > close session > > In this example, fff is the name of the desired capture file, xxx is the > desired time interval, and yyy is a string that will never come. This > makes it record into the file for xxx seconds. > > - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 28 03:48:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA26445 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 03:48:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA21248 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 03:33:19 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Muljawan Hendrianto Subject: Re: NEWBIE:C-Kermit for sending numeric pager Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:32:59 +0800 Organization: Siemens Inc. Message-ID: <36B020B9.A064558C@siemens.com.sg> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article <36AEBAE1.8EAB8AD3@siemens.com.sg>, > Muljawan Hendrianto wrote: > : I am running the C-Kermit 6.1.193 Beta.05, 7 May 1998, for Linux RedHat. > : > : I want to use it for sending numeric pager, but I don't know what is the > : correct format of the dial command to do it. > : In the C-Kermit Book, I only found the following, > : > : C-Kermit>dial 5551234@nnnnnnnnn#; > : > : Which should be working for Hayes or compatible modem according to > : C-Kermit's Book. I am using Motorola Codex 3265 modem, > : > But that is not one of Kermit's built-in modem types. What did you use > for a "set modem type" command? Does the Codex 3265 use the AT command > set? > Hi Frank , Thanks for your reply, Here is my kermit initialization, set modem type user-defined unknown set modem name codex3265 set modem capabilities AT DC EC HWFC SWFC set modem maximum-speed 38400 set modem speed-matching on set modem dial-command ATD%s\13 set modem error-correction on set modem compression on set modem command autoanswer on AT*AA2\13 set modem command compression on AT*DC1\13 set modem command compression off AT*DC0\13 set modem command error-correction on AT*EC0\13 set modem command init-string AT&F&C1&D2*FL3\13 set modem command pulse AT&PT1 set modem command tone AT*PT0 set line /dev/ttyS0 set speed 38400 set dial display on Yes, the codex 3265 uses AT command. If you find anything wrong /missing, please let me know. > There is no standard. It depends on both the service provider and the > modem. The basic steps are: > > 1. Use touch-tone (not pulse) dialing. If tone dialing is not available > in your area, you probably can't send numeric pages. > > 2. Dial the pager service number. > > 3. Wait till the phone answers: "@" in the example above, but "@" is not > necessarily supported by all modems -- in case it isn't, put ",,,,,," > (a series of commas to get the needed amount of pausing) or other > notation understood by your modem. What do you mean with "the phone answers "@" "? How do I know that? > Thanks, meanwhile I will follow your basic steps. Another question is , what about sms message to a GSM mobile phone? Is there also a basic steps for it? Thanks, Muljawan From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jan 28 10:18:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18666 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09432 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:01:10 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Jim Agnew Subject: Re: Data Acquisition / RS-232 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:20:31 -0500 Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Message-ID: <36B0722F.48294CD3@gems.vcu.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu We tested out a medical device with a little ole ps/2 with a 20 meg hard drive, and it logged data happily with mskermit for 3 days... chugged along quite happily. and did it exactly the way Frank said, too. Jim Jagan Annamalai wrote: > > Thanks for the quick response! > > -Jagan > > Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > In article <36AFB26B.20B3C638@uh.edu>, Jagan Annamalai wrote: > > : I am trying to collect data from a Mass Spec, RS-232 (ASCII format, I > > : can set the baud rate, etc). > > : > > : I downloaded MS-kermit. What commands do I use so that the data (for a > > : given amount of time) is saved in a file on the PC? > > : > > : I have the manual by Gianone, but I am not able to figure it out :( > > : Step by step instructions would be greatly appreciated. > > : > > log session fff > > input xxx yyy > > close session > > > > In this example, fff is the name of the desired capture file, xxx is the > > desired time interval, and yyy is a string that will never come. This > > makes it record into the file for xxx seconds. > > > > - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 10:48:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17834 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08515 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:31:47 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Scott Nelson" Subject: Transparent printing Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:31:28 -0600 To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I developed a utility similar to FSF's screen program so that our K95 users connecting over the internet can re-connect to their "session" if they get bumped off (phone line or internet problems). (It ended up being easy to add "shadowing" features so that our customer support team can connect and help someone). application ---- utility ----- user The link between the utility and the user can be broken and reestablished without the application even knowing about it. Pretty snazzy isn't it :-). It allows us to use our legacy application over the internet, using kermit with encryption and authentication. The application displays its data even if there is no connection on the other end. When the user re-connects, the utility sends a "refresh the screen" function key to the application and bingo - they are back where they need to be. The reason I don't block data when the user disconnects is that I don't know exactly when the user gets disconnected. Sometimes, it's not until they login again. That's why I let the data pass freely when disconnected and then have a simple "refresh" fkey. My problem is printing. 1) You loose printer output when disconnected; user must request report again (and hopefully they stay online longer) 2) Long reports to the screen makes it impossible to use the screen. 3) We can't share the printer. (The data is sent directly by the application; not by a spooler) What I would like to do is this: Have my utility read two pseudo ttys instead of one; one from the application and one from the spooler. It would then multiplex this output to the user. I could give the application priority over the spooler. I guess I would also need to interpret the application's output to prevent breaking up an escape sequence. Any ideas on how I should do this? Originally I thought that I was going to use only K95 in scoansi mode and could use a formula to determine when an escape sequence ends, but now I have learned that I need to support all terminals connected directly to the system (They loved the customer support shadowing idea). Moreever, I don't have ANY solution to #1 above. Scott Nelson - Thermeon Corporation - St. Louis Office sbnelson@thermeon.com From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 11:18:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25675 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10484 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:13:47 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Scott Nelson" Subject: K95 and proxy server Organization: Thermeon Corporation Message-ID: <12ls2.226$VQ5.2909278@news1.i1.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:13:28 -0600 To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Sorry if this is a dumb question, but... Is there a way to telnet through a proxy server using K95? From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 11:48:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05737 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA11307 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:31:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: K95 and proxy server Date: 29 Jan 1999 16:31:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78snpq$b18$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <12ls2.226$VQ5.2909278@news1.i1.net>, Scott Nelson wrote: : Sorry if this is a dumb question, but... : : Is there a way to telnet through a proxy server using K95? : what Proxy Server? If it is SOCKS based, then you can use the Winsock shim available at: ftp://ftp.nec.co.jp/pub/packages/sotools/ Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 12:18:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13893 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA12968 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:08:20 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Transparent printing Date: 29 Jan 1999 17:08:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78spu2$cl5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , Scott Nelson wrote: : I developed a utility similar to FSF's screen program so that our K95 : users connecting over the internet can re-connect to their "session" if : they get bumped off (phone line or internet problems). (It ended up : being easy to add "shadowing" features so that our customer support team : can connect and help someone). : : application ---- utility ----- user : : The link between the utility and the user can be broken and : reestablished without the application even knowing about it. Pretty : snazzy isn't it :-). It allows us to use our legacy application over : the internet, using kermit with encryption and authentication. The : application displays its data even if there is no connection on the : other end. When the user re-connects, the utility sends a "refresh the : screen" function key to the application and bingo - they are back where : they need to be. The reason I don't block data when the user : disconnects is that I don't know exactly when the user gets : disconnected. Sometimes, it's not until they login again. That's why I : let the data pass freely when disconnected and then have a simple : "refresh" fkey. There is a commerical package called FacetTerm from Structured Software Solutions that does something similar. FacetTerm supports multiple sessions that the user can switch between. The way it works is that the "utility" would actually store the active screen contents (in other words it has a built in emulator for each terminal type) so that when the "user" re-connects or switches sessions the screen can be restored to the appropriate state without interfering with the application (not all applications will handle a refresh screen properly.) I think that by not blocking the application when the user is deconnected that you leave yourself open to a series of potential problems depending on the state the terminal was in. Your method assumes that the terminal is always in the default state. What happens if the character-set tables are initialized by the host, margins are adjusted, wrap flags, keys are refdefined, colors set, or any of the hundreds of other bits of state information that would need to be restored when either a connection is restored or the support group wants to join a session mid-stream? : My problem is printing. : : 1) You loose printer output when disconnected; user must request report : again (and hopefully they stay online longer) : 2) Long reports to the screen makes it impossible to use the screen. : 3) We can't share the printer. (The data is sent directly by the : application; not by a spooler) : : What I would like to do is this: Have my utility read two pseudo ttys : instead of one; one from the application and one from the spooler. It : would then multiplex this output to the user. I could give the : application priority over the spooler. I guess I would also need to : interpret the application's output to prevent breaking up an escape : sequence. : : Any ideas on how I should do this? Originally I thought that I was : going to use only K95 in scoansi mode and could use a formula to : determine when an escape sequence ends, but now I have learned that I : need to support all terminals connected directly to the system (They : loved the customer support shadowing idea). : : Moreever, I don't have ANY solution to #1 above. Your first problem is that the application sends the printer output to the terminal using transparent print sequences. If you can't change the application to print to a spooler the only way you are going to be able to affect the method of printing is for your "utiltiy" to recognize the transparent print sequence and strip the print job and send it to a spooler or something else. So now you have the print job in a spooler. But you still want the user's terminal emulator to get the output. You can continue to send the spool data to the terminal using transparent print sequences but now you have introduced a new problem. Since you are breaking a single job up into multiple pieces, how does the terminal emulator now when one job has finished and a second job has begun? The only way to be sure that a terminal will print a job in one piece is to send it as one piece. If you are thinking about using a new method for multiplexing the print data over the connection then you are going to have to make sure that all of the terminals that you are using can support it. (Probably not feasible without replacing all existing terminals and emulation software with something new.) Of course, if you are using TCP/IP connections you could setup LPDs on each of the clients to accept the print job from the spooler, but that would also mean bypassing the authentication and encryption you received via the Telnet session. As for knowing when an escape sequence is complete. This is fairly easy to do with SCOANSI and any other terminal based on ANSI X3.64, ISO 6429, or HP Term0 since these terminal types use highly structured state machines. Any of the so called ASCII terminals such as Wyse, Televideo, ADDS, Data General, QNX, VT52, etc. will require that your "utility" implement a complete terminal emulation for each model because there is no predicatable way of knowing the length of a particular escape sequence. I don't want to discourage you but what started off as a neat utility has suddenly become very complicated. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 14:48:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02136 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA20872 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:47:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Jagan Annamalai Subject: More questions on Data Acquisition / RS-232 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:51:18 -0600 Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <36B21135.42BA014A@uh.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am trying to collect data from a Mass Spec ( RS-232, ASCII). I downloaded MS-kermit. Connected the serial port on my PC to the instrument with a new RS-232C cable and a null modem. Started Kermit. Set port 1. set the baud rate to be same in both computer and instrument. Parity none. 8 data bits. Typed the commands given by Frank log session test input 200 qwer (after 200 seconds get a message -- ? Timeout) close session The file test has been created. But no data has been collected in the test file. Any pointers as to what I might be doing wrong? (the instrument is not sending out the data or the computer is not receiving it or Kermit is not setup properly??) Thanks a lot. -Jagan From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 15:48:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17134 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA22928 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:32:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: More questions on Data Acquisition / RS-232 Message-ID: Date: 29 Jan 99 13:24:58 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36B21135.42BA014A@uh.edu>, Jagan Annamalai writes: > Hi, > > I am trying to collect data from a Mass Spec ( RS-232, ASCII). > > I downloaded MS-kermit. Connected the serial port on my PC to the > instrument with a new RS-232C cable and a null modem. > > Started Kermit. Set port 1. set the baud rate to be same in both > computer and instrument. Parity none. 8 data bits. Typed the commands > given by Frank > > log session test > > input 200 qwer > > (after 200 seconds get a message -- ? Timeout) > > close session > > > The file test has been created. But no data has been collected in the > test file. > > Any pointers as to what I might be doing wrong? (the instrument is not > sending out the data or the computer is not receiving it or Kermit is > not setup properly??) ------------- We can't answer those questions, but you can. Here is a simple test: rather than using input 200 qwer use CONNECT and watch the action. If the external box requires stimulae then pressing keys might provide them. Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 15:48:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17137 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA22288 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:19:57 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: More questions on Data Acquisition / RS-232 Date: 29 Jan 1999 20:19:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78t555$lo9$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36B21135.42BA014A@uh.edu>, Jagan Annamalai wrote: : Hi, : : I am trying to collect data from a Mass Spec ( RS-232, ASCII). : : I downloaded MS-kermit. Connected the serial port on my PC to the : instrument with a new RS-232C cable and a null modem. : : Started Kermit. Set port 1. set the baud rate to be same in both : computer and instrument. Parity none. 8 data bits. Typed the commands : given by Frank : : log session test : : input 200 qwer : : (after 200 seconds get a message -- ? Timeout) : : close session : : : The file test has been created. But no data has been collected in the : test file. : : Any pointers as to what I might be doing wrong? (the instrument is not : sending out the data or the computer is not receiving it or Kermit is : not setup properly??) : : Thanks a lot. : : -Jagan : When configuring a serial connection you always need to configure Port Parity Speed Flow-control it sounds like you did not configure the flow control to match between your device and your PC. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 16:48:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24486 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25873 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:23:52 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Jagan Annamalai Subject: Re: More questions on Data Acquisition / RS-232 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:28:06 -0600 Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <36B227E6.F070D1FC@uh.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I set all the 4. Still not working. I checked the instrument outlet with a data-tracker. Seems to have signals at the right pins. Any more suggestions? Thanks. -Jagan Jeffrey Altman wrote: > When configuring a serial connection you always need to configure > > Port > Parity > Speed > Flow-control > > it sounds like you did not configure the flow control to match > between your device and your PC. > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 16:48:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24488 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA27155 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:48:57 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jph@lessspam.astro.umd.edu (J. Patrick Harrington) Subject: A Kermit for Windows CE? Date: 29 Jan 1999 21:36:39 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Message-ID: <78t9l7$5j$1@hecate.umd.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Is there any hope that there will be a Kermit that will run under Win CE? It would be great to have it on my Velo 500 handheld (MIPS R400 processor). I have used Kermit on my HP100LX and OmniBook 300, and hate to give it up. Pat Harrington From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 17:48:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01631 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28614 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:20:07 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Jagan Annamalai Subject: Re: More questions on Data Acquisition / RS-232 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:24:31 -0600 Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <36B2351F.4AF58A4B@uh.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik wrote: > We can't answer those questions, but you can. Here is a simple > test: rather than using input 200 qwer use CONNECT and watch the > action. If the external box requires stimulae then pressing keys might > provide them. > Joe D. I used log session test connect This cleared the screen -- external box? Whatever I typed appeared on the screen and was written in the test file. If I don't type anything nothing appears on the screen as well as in the file. All this while the computer is connected to the device> close session Any more suggestions? Thanks for your help. -Jagan From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 17:48:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01634 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29588 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:39:03 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: A Kermit for Windows CE? Date: 29 Jan 1999 22:39:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78tda4$ss5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <78t9l7$5j$1@hecate.umd.edu>, J. Patrick Harrington wrote: : Is there any hope that there will be a Kermit that : will run under Win CE? It would be great to have it : on my Velo 500 handheld (MIPS R400 processor). I have : used Kermit on my HP100LX and OmniBook 300, and hate : to give it up. : Pat Harrington : MS-DOS Kermit runs on the HP100LX because the machine is MS-DOS based. Kermit's are available on the OmniBook when running either MS-DOS or one of the Windows varients because someone spent a lot of time to write them. The Windows CE machines are not capatible with any of the existing Operating systems, must importantly, Windows CE is not compatible with Windows 95/98/NT. Therefore, we can't just re-compile existing Kermit versions to work with them. A Kermit for Windows CE will either require that someone donate enough money to the Kermit Project to hire someone to develop it or develop it on their own. Unfortunately, I do not forsee either happening in the near future. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 18:18:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07071 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:18:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01367 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:15:46 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: More questions on Data Acquisition / RS-232 Date: 29 Jan 1999 23:15:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78tfet$1al$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36B2351F.4AF58A4B@uh.edu>, Jagan Annamalai wrote: : Joe Doupnik wrote: : > We can't answer those questions, but you can. Here is a simple : > test: rather than using input 200 qwer use CONNECT and watch the : > action. If the external box requires stimulae then pressing keys might : > provide them. : : I used : : log session test : connect : : : : close session : : Any more suggestions? : This suggests that data is not arriving from the external device, and that would explain why it's not being logged. Leaving aside the recording aspect for the moment, is there any way you can view the data from the device on the MS-DOS Kermit CONNECT screen? If not, then evidently some adjustments are necessary to Kermit's communication settings (speed, flow control, parity, etc), or to the cable. The wiring of the cable depends on the characteristics of the device -- is it a DCE (like a modem) or a DTE (like a computer)? Does it use the RTS, CTS, DTR, and CD leads for anything, and if so, what? Once you can view the data on the screen, then your script needs to do whatever you did by hand -- use OUTPUT commands to send what you would type, etc. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 18:48:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15584 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03046 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:48:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: More questions on Data Acquisition / RS-232 Date: 29 Jan 1999 23:48:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78thbh$2up$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36B246DB.90136312@uh.edu>, Jagan Annamalai wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > then evidently some adjustments are necessary to Kermit's communication : > settings (speed, flow control, parity, etc), or to the cable. The wiring : > of the cable depends on the characteristics of the device -- is it a DCE : > (like a modem) or a DTE (like a computer)? Does it use the RTS, CTS, DTR, : > and CD leads for anything, and if so, what? : : The device has a RS-232 / Printer DB-25 pin outlet. The device manual : mentions that I need to connect my computer (or printer) to this port. I use : RS-232C cable. I have connected the device to the serial port (DB-9) on my : computer. Should I connect it to the printer/parallel port? : If the device's DB-25 connector is a parallel interface and not a serial one, then you're out of luck. You can't plug it into the PC's serial interface, but MS-DOS Kermit does not support the parallel port as a communications device. Parallel and serial interfaces are entirely different; no amount of rewiring can make one communicate with the other. Have you ever seen the output from this device under any circumstances? If so, what were the circumstances? - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 18:48:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15586 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02330 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:36:00 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Jagan Annamalai Subject: Re: More questions on Data Acquisition / RS-232 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:40:11 -0600 Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <36B246DB.90136312@uh.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: > This suggests that data is not arriving from the external device, and that > would explain why it's not being logged. > > Leaving aside the recording aspect for the moment, is there any way you can > view the data from the device on the MS-DOS Kermit CONNECT screen? If not, > I haven't been able to see any data on the Kermit screen. > then evidently some adjustments are necessary to Kermit's communication > settings (speed, flow control, parity, etc), or to the cable. The wiring of ok. I think I set all the necessary parameters. I will configure them once again. > the cable depends on the characteristics of the device -- is it a DCE (like > a modem) or a DTE (like a computer)? Does it use the RTS, CTS, DTR, and CD > leads for anything, and if so, what? The device has a RS-232 / Printer DB-25 pin outlet. The device manual mentions that I need to connect my computer (or printer) to this port. I use RS-232C cable. I have connected the device to the serial port (DB-9) on my computer. Should I connect it to the printer/parallel port? Thanks, -Jagan > Once you can view the data on the screen, then your script needs to do > whatever you did by hand -- use OUTPUT commands to send what you would type, > etc. > > - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 19:18:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22096 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04026 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:11:24 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Jagan Annamalai Subject: Re: More questions on Data Acquisition / RS-232 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:15:14 -0600 Organization: University of Houston Message-ID: <36B24F12.A1CEC3EF@uh.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: > : > If the device's DB-25 connector is a parallel interface and not a serial one, > then you're out of luck. You can't plug it into the PC's serial interface, > but MS-DOS Kermit does not support the parallel port as a communications > device. Parallel and serial interfaces are entirely different; no amount of > rewiring can make one communicate with the other. > > Have you ever seen the output from this device under any circumstances? There was another student here who had used Kermit to access data from the same device. So I know that it did work before. I remember him saying that he used the printer port on the computer. Are the different versions of kermit different? Could the older versions use the parallel port? I am indeed trying to get in touch with him. Don't know how long that's gonna take though. -Jagan > If so, what were the circumstances? > > - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 19:48:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00790 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04486 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:22:45 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: More questions on Data Acquisition / RS-232 Date: 30 Jan 1999 00:22:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78tjck$4bi$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36B24F12.A1CEC3EF@uh.edu>, Jagan Annamalai wrote: : : : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > If the device's DB-25 connector is a parallel interface and not a serial : > one, then you're out of luck. You can't plug it into the PC's serial : > interface, but MS-DOS Kermit does not support the parallel port as a : > communications device. Parallel and serial interfaces are entirely : > different; no amount of rewiring can make one communicate with the other. : > : > Have you ever seen the output from this device under any circumstances? : : There was another student here who had used Kermit to access data from the : same device. So I know that it did work before. I remember him saying that : he used the printer port on the computer. Are the different versions of : kermit different? Could the older versions use the parallel port? I am : indeed trying to get in touch with him. Don't know how long that's gonna : take though. : MS-DOS Kermit does not contain any code to let it read from a printer port. In fact, up until a few years ago, most parallel ports were output-only. The hardware interface contained only the logic to send data, not to receive it. Still, we don't know for sure it *is* a parallel port. If the documentation says anything like "EIA", "RS-232", or "V.24", then it's a serial port, and we're back the original problem of finding the right communication settings and wiring. Please follow up by email to kermit-support@columbia.edu, as I think at this point we are straining the interest of the general public. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jan 29 20:18:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA07964 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA06430 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:02:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: More questions on Data Acquisition / RS-232 Message-ID: Date: 29 Jan 99 17:46:26 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36B24F12.A1CEC3EF@uh.edu>, Jagan Annamalai writes: > Frank da Cruz wrote: > >> : >> If the device's DB-25 connector is a parallel interface and not a serial one, >> then you're out of luck. You can't plug it into the PC's serial interface, >> but MS-DOS Kermit does not support the parallel port as a communications >> device. Parallel and serial interfaces are entirely different; no amount of >> rewiring can make one communicate with the other. >> >> Have you ever seen the output from this device under any circumstances? > > There was another student here who had used Kermit to access data from the same > device. So I know that it did work before. I remember him saying that he used the > printer port on the computer. Are the different versions of kermit different? > Could the older versions use the parallel port? I am indeed trying to get in touch > with him. Don't know how long that's gonna take though. > > -Jagan --------- No, MS-DOS Kermit has never touched the parallel port. Let us suppose the external box is wired for a parallel port. There will be nothing much we (Kermit folks) can do to help, but you might be able to use an old serial to parallel converter box intended for printers, but hook it up to the computer via the serial port. Your experiment with Connect mode says two things. First, you saw what you typed because echoing was still "local". Secondly, when you typed nothing you saw nothing, so the signals from the external box were not compatible with a serial port. Finally, if this becomes a major difficulty then we could discuss a contract to make a special Kermit which does talk directly to the parallel port. That should be done directly to Columbia and myself, not to the NEWS group. Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jan 30 08:19:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22940 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA09585 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:05:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: mayhew@wku.edu Subject: K95 text Date: 29 Jan 99 23:35:59 -0600 Organization: Western Kentucky University Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to switch to K95 but need the answer to a question I asked here about a year ago with no response. I use DOS kermit under Win98 simply because of its large DOS text full-screen terminal screen. I understand that K95 is a full-screen console app; what I don't know and can't determine from any doc or screen shots on the K95 home page is this: In full-screen mode, is the text comparable to standard full-screen DOS text-mode text? I'm tired of dealing with telnet programs that offer a bunch of font and size options, all of them graphics based, none of them with the solidity of DOS kermit text and none of them sized exactly to fit a standard 80x25 DOS text screen display. But if K95 offers both Telnet and a terminal screen with text like that of msdos Kermit, I'll buy it immediately. Regards, Larry Mayhew mayhew@wku.edu From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jan 30 10:49:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08149 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15417 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:28:50 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: K95 text Date: 30 Jan 1999 15:28:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <78v8fh$f1m$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : : I'd like to switch to K95 but need the answer to a question I asked : here about a year ago with no response. I use DOS kermit under Win98 : simply because of its large DOS text full-screen terminal screen. : : I understand that K95 is a full-screen console app; what I don't know : and can't determine from any doc or screen shots on the K95 home page : is this: In full-screen mode, is the text comparable to standard : full-screen DOS text-mode text? I'm tired of dealing with telnet : programs that offer a bunch of font and size options, all of them : graphics based, none of them with the solidity of DOS kermit text and none : of them sized exactly to fit a standard 80x25 DOS text screen display. : : But if K95 offers both Telnet and a terminal screen with text like that : of msdos Kermit, I'll buy it immediately. K95 in its current form is a 32-bit console application. Console applications run in the console window the same way the command shell does. So if you like the way that the command shell looks when put in full screen console mode, then you will like the way that K95 looks. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 2 13:20:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29603 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA08524 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:07:32 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Janko Dimitroff Subject: Serial Line Date: 2 Feb 1999 18:07:11 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Message-ID: <797esf$k18$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I have a problem using kermit. I want to communicate with a device which is plugged in the serial line. I wrote a script which is able to establish a connection to the device. Now the device sends data. How can I check these data, read it to variables and so on. I want to send data to the device if a string containing a special substring was received by the computer. On account of the fact that I do not know exactly what data (only a substring) comes in I can not use INPUT or MINPUT. Can I just wait for \n ? How is data handled by INPUT/MINPUT if it does not match with the given text ? You understood my problem hopefully and have a solution. If so, I'd be glad if you send it to me. mail to: jadi@gfz-potsdam.de From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 2 13:20:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29653 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09060 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:19:00 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Serial Line Date: 2 Feb 1999 18:19:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <797fik$8r1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <797esf$k18$1@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, Janko Dimitroff wrote: : I have a problem using kermit. : : I want to communicate with a device which is plugged in the serial line. I : wrote a script which is able to establish a connection to the device. Now : the device sends data. How can I check these data, read it to variables and : so on. : : I want to send data to the device if a string containing a special substring : was received by the computer. On account of the fact that I do not know : exactly what data (only a substring) comes in I can not use INPUT or MINPUT. : : Can I just wait for \n ? : Yes: INPUT \10 (or \13, or \10,\13) : How is data handled by INPUT/MINPUT if it does not match with the : given text? : As explained in the manual, it is stored in the \v(input) variable, which represents a circular buffer. : You understood my problem hopefully and have a solution. If you know what the substring, why don't you just look for it? If you don't know what you are looking for, how will find it? You can use INPUT or MINPUT to look for strings, or you can use them to read "lines" of text as follows: while true { input 20 \13\10 ; Read a line if fail ... ; Do something if INPUT times out ; Process the line here ; The \v(input) variable ; contains the line. clear input ; Clear the input buffer and wait } ; for another line. See the manual for details: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 3 19:51:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26042 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04613 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:49:54 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Announcing C-Kermit 7.0 for Beta testing Date: 4 Feb 1999 00:49:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <79aqri$4g2$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu This is to announce a (hopefully) brief public Beta testing period for a major new release of C-Kermit for UNIX, VMS, AOS/VS, and other platforms: Version 7.0, to replace version 6.0 of September 1996. The changes are significant, and there are far to many of them to list here. Chief among them are: . Configurability as an Internet service, similar to FTPD, but with far more features and greater flexibility. . Availability of Kerberos IV and V and SRP (TMs) security (USA and Canada only). . Ability to switch automatically between text and binary mode on a per-file basis when transferring file groups. . Ability to transfer directory trees -- even between different platforms, such as UNIX, VMS, and Windows. . Flexible file-selection options when transferring file groups. . Faster file transfer, faster defaults. . High-precision timers and statistics. . New character sets, including those needed to show the Euro symbol. . Increased power in the scripting language. . New platforms supported. Find the full story at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html This page lists and describes the new features, and contains links to further information and to the software itself: source code, tar and zip archives, and selected individual binaries for many platforms. Special thanks to Jeff Altman for his key role in the design and development of many of C-Kermit 7.0's most important new features. Thanks also to the many contributors and testers, and to those companies, institutions, and individuals who provided other forms of assistance including manuals, equipment, advice, system access for building and testing, binaries, reports, suggestions, and encouragement. Please send any bug reports, remarks, or questions to: kermit-support@columbia.edu And if you can make any binaries that we can't make ourselves, please let us know. Thanks! - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 3 23:21:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25302 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA14565 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:13:12 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Antonio Azevedo" Subject: Unix C-Kermit questions Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 04:03:46 -0000 Organization: IGACARGO Message-ID: <79b65m$s7h$1@duke.telepac.pt> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I use Unix C-Kermit since since more than 10 years now. I began using it to transfer files ( and not only ) in the background, and to achieve that, I began using the c-Kermit uucp like script. During these years, I keep making new scripts in order to face the growing needs of more "jobs" being done in the background. Last year, we exchanged our old Philips P 9050 for an Digital Alpha, running Digital Unix 4.0. By than, I began working with the C-Kermit 6.0.192 version, and my mainly and only concern was to adapt all those scripts to this new ( for me ) version of C-Kermit, which I done after some work, and it has been working fine enough. Now, however, I decided to put my hands on C-Kermit again, trying to take the most of it in order to finish with those old scripts, and improve all the background "jobs" as I need. Well, after reading and studying the files I download with the C-Kermit, and using the "help ..." options, I think I got a quite nice idea about the way I can advance with my work. There are, however 2 questions I would like to clear out: 1) In the "ckuker.nr" file, I found, regarding the LOG command: a) In the "Program Management" section, LOG Open a log file -- debugging, packet, session, transaction. b) In the "File Transfer" section, LOG SESSION Download a file with no error checking The question is, if I use the LOG SESSION command at the beginning of a "take" file, does that means the files I will transfer after that will have "no error checking" ? 2) Using C-Kermit on-line, I have being receiving the "Last Error Message" --- Receive window full. Can anyone give me a clue about this ? To finish, a last request: I like to "learn by example", so, if some of you have "take" files or some other kind of stuff that I can use to learn of, It would be nice if you send it directly to iga.por@mail.telepac.pt. Thanks in advance for any help on the above and please accept my apologies for sending you a so long email. Best Regards Antonio Azevedo Porto Portugal From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 4 09:51:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03277 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13143 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:25:34 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Unix C-Kermit questions Date: 4 Feb 1999 14:25:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <79cakt$cqk$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <79b65m$s7h$1@duke.telepac.pt>, Antonio Azevedo wrote: : ... : 1) In the "ckuker.nr" file, I found, regarding the LOG command: : : a) In the "Program Management" section, : : LOG Open a log file -- debugging, packet, session, : transaction. : : b) In the "File Transfer" section, : LOG SESSION Download a file with no error checking : : The question is, if I use the LOG SESSION command at : the beginning of a "take" file, does that means the files I : will transfer after that will have "no error checking" ? : No, it means that all characters that arrive while LOG SESSION is active during CONNECT, INPUT, or SCRIPT command execution will also be recorded in the session log file. LOG SESSION can be used to "capture" remote text files, but you would only want to do this if you did not have a Kermit program on the other end of the connection, with which you could use the error-correcting Kermit protocol. No matter whether LOG SESSION is active, SEND/GET/RECEIVE, etc, still use the error-correcting Kermit protocol. : 2) Using C-Kermit on-line, I have being receiving the : "Last Error Message" --- Receive window full. : : Can anyone give me a clue about this ? : I suggest you try C-Kermit 7.0 Beta, announced yesterday. I hope you will not see this message any more in the new version: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 4 11:51:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08964 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21364 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:41:29 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: trachier@crrel.usace.army.mil (Gary Trachier) Subject: SET HANDSHAKE problem Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:08:22 -0500 Organization: USA CRREL Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi All, I am trying to use the SET HANDSHAKE XON command, but it does not seem to work. After issuing that command, I use SHOW COMMUNICATIONS to verify the handshake character. ASCII XON is decimal 17, so I would expect "17" to show up in the settings. What I find however is "36". I also tried SET HANDSHAKE CODE 17, but it remains "36". If I set handshake to NONE, then "none" appears in the settings. Can someone explain what is happening? I believe that I need to use a handshake character because I have a half-duplex connection between the two copies of Kermit. I am using MS-DOS Kermit version 3.15, patch level 0. Thanks for your help. -Gary -- Gary Trachier / U. S. Army Cold Regions Research & Engineering Laboratory Telephone: voice (603) 646-4303 fax (603) 646-4720 USnail: USA CRREL / 72 Lyme Road / Hanover, NH USA / 03755-1290 From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 4 11:51:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08968 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:51:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21520 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:46:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: SET HANDSHAKE problem Date: 4 Feb 1999 16:46:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <79cit9$l0e$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , Gary Trachier wrote: : Hi All, : : I am trying to use the SET HANDSHAKE XON command, but it does not seem to : work. After issuing that command, I use SHOW COMMUNICATIONS to verify the : handshake character. ASCII XON is decimal 17, so I would expect "17" to : show up in the settings. What I find however is "36". I also tried SET : HANDSHAKE CODE 17, but it remains "36". If I set handshake to NONE, then : "none" appears in the settings. : : Can someone explain what is happening? : : I believe that I need to use a handshake character because I have a : half-duplex connection between the two copies of Kermit. : : I am using MS-DOS Kermit version 3.15, patch level 0. : This is a bug. Please try MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 Beta 1: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 5 07:51:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA14302 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 07:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA12302 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 07:42:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: adam@orion.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Subject: K95 send matches file.txt~ to *.txt Date: 5 Feb 1999 12:42:07 GMT Organization: UIUC Department of Mathematics Message-ID: <79eouv$93g$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu When using a send command of the form 'send *.txt', K95 matches this to both file.txt and file.txt~ Why? Is this intentional? This is happening under Windows NT 4.0 on a FAT drive. The version of K95 is 1.1.17. I have set file names to converted. Is there a way to stop this? Thank you, A. Lewenberg P.S. K95 copies to clipboard with mouse1 drag, but I cannot copy from the clipboard with a mouse button2 double-click. Any thoughts? -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or lewenber@uiuc.edu From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 5 12:52:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21660 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27561 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:30:42 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Jeff Weik Subject: Mackermit Problems Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 17:24:41 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <79f9gd$3lm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I am having difficulties getting Mackermit on my Mac to recognise data sent from some lab equipment. Specifically, I have a HP 3390A Integrator hooked up to a Mac SE/30. I am trying to get Mackermit to receive the transferred data as it becomes available, however i cannot seem to configure Kermit to allow me to do this. What specific mode do i need to enter to receive the data? All I can seem to find is modes allowing the transfer of actual files, which is not what i need to do. Is there a way to configure Mackermit to receive a flow of data? How do I need to approach this? Is Mackermit even capable of this? I have version 0993 Pre-alpha. Any help would be greatly appreciated Jeff Weik jweik@grl.ars.usda.gov -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 5 12:52:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21679 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27882 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:36:11 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Mackermit Problems Date: 5 Feb 1999 17:36:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <79fa6a$r78$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <79f9gd$3lm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Jeff Weik wrote: : I am having difficulties getting Mackermit on my Mac to recognise data sent : from some lab equipment. Specifically, I have a HP 3390A Integrator hooked : up to a Mac SE/30. I am trying to get Mackermit to receive the transferred : data as it becomes available, however i cannot seem to configure Kermit to : allow me to do this. What specific mode do i need to enter to receive the : data? All I can seem to find is modes allowing the transfer of actual files, : which is not what i need to do. Is there a way to configure Mackermit to : receive a flow of data? How do I need to approach this? Is Mackermit even : capable of this? I have version 0993 Pre-alpha. Any help would be greatly : appreciated Jeff Weik jweik@grl.ars.usda.gov : As you probably know, Mac Kermit was never finished, and has not been supported at all for a great many years, due to the lack of qualified Macintosh programmers willing to work on the project. That said, the method for capturing data is to get to command window, and at the Mac Kermit> prompt, give the command "log session". This will log incoming characters to the session.log file. When you want to stop logging, go back to the command window and type "close session". If it works, fine; otherwise you'll need to find some other software. For further information read the ckmker.bwr file: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckmker.bwr - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 8 16:23:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22076 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11827 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:56:23 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Michel" Subject: Scrollback buffer must be disabled but how? Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:51:43 +0100 Organization: MultiAccess Message-ID: <918507091.314458@samba.news.big-orange.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu When users logged in the UNIX server using vt100 emulation, they accidently press PgUp keys in conjunction with SHIFT or CTRL. Then they are in the so called ScrollBack Buffer mode, but users have no idea what happened and thinking their computer is lockup and they shut down the computer. Can it be done to disable the scrollback keys??? Thanx Michel Krabshuis MCP Email: mjka@globalxs.nl From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 8 16:23:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22085 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12730 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:12:03 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Scott Nelson" Subject: Re: Transparent printing Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:11:40 -0600 To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Michel wrote in message <918507836.289598@samba.news.big-orange.net>... >With Kermit95 and tcp/ip direct ethernet connection, users >shutting down the pc accidently, will never connect again to their previous >telnet session. > >As you say in your atricle, there is some kind of utility to pick "old" >telnet sessions, something like >nvt (novell virtual terminal session) or something like that. I do not know anything about nvt, but the utility mentioned in the article was a utility that I wrote. It will allow the user to connect back to their session after any sort of lost connection. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 8 16:23:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22093 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12387 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:05:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Michel" Subject: Re: Transparent printing Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:03:59 +0100 Organization: MultiAccess Message-ID: <918507836.289598@samba.news.big-orange.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu After reading this article i have the following question": With Kermit95 and tcp/ip direct ethernet connection, users shutting down the pc accidently, will never connect again to their previous telnet session. As you say in your atricle, there is some kind of utility to pick "old" telnet sessions, something like nvt (novell virtual terminal session) or something like that. Thnx Michel Krabshuis MCP Email: mjka@globalxs.nl Scott Nelson heeft geschreven in bericht ... >I developed a utility similar to FSF's screen program so that our K95 >users connecting over the internet can re-connect to their "session" if >they get bumped off (phone line or internet problems). (It ended up >being easy to add "shadowing" features so that our customer support team >can connect and help someone). > > application ---- utility ----- user > >The link between the utility and the user can be broken and >reestablished without the application even knowing about it. Pretty >snazzy isn't it :-). It allows us to use our legacy application over >the internet, using kermit with encryption and authentication. The >application displays its data even if there is no connection on the >other end. When the user re-connects, the utility sends a "refresh the >screen" function key to the application and bingo - they are back where >they need to be. The reason I don't block data when the user >disconnects is that I don't know exactly when the user gets >disconnected. Sometimes, it's not until they login again. That's why I >let the data pass freely when disconnected and then have a simple >"refresh" fkey. > >My problem is printing. > >1) You loose printer output when disconnected; user must request report >again (and hopefully they stay online longer) >2) Long reports to the screen makes it impossible to use the screen. >3) We can't share the printer. (The data is sent directly by the >application; not by a spooler) > >What I would like to do is this: Have my utility read two pseudo ttys >instead of one; one from the application and one from the spooler. It >would then multiplex this output to the user. I could give the >application priority over the spooler. I guess I would also need to >interpret the application's output to prevent breaking up an escape >sequence. > >Any ideas on how I should do this? Originally I thought that I was >going to use only K95 in scoansi mode and could use a formula to >determine when an escape sequence ends, but now I have learned that I >need to support all terminals connected directly to the system (They >loved the customer support shadowing idea). > >Moreever, I don't have ANY solution to #1 above. > >Scott Nelson - Thermeon Corporation - St. Louis Office >sbnelson@thermeon.com From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 8 16:53:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02344 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:53:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14833 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:50:34 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Scrollback buffer must be disabled but how? Date: 8 Feb 1999 21:50:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <79nm78$efd$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <918507091.314458@samba.news.big-orange.net>, Michel wrote: : When users logged in the UNIX server using vt100 emulation, they accidently : press PgUp keys in conjunction with SHIFT or CTRL. : Then they are in the so called ScrollBack Buffer mode, but users have no : idea what happened and thinking their computer is lockup and they shut down : the computer. : : Can it be done to disable the scrollback keys??? : First, check to make sure that your users are using 1.1.17. If they are, then when they are in scrollback mode it says "[Scrollbackl]" on the window title bar and "SCROLLBACK" on the status line. Second, you can remap the scrollback functions with the SET TERM KEY VT100 command. Unmap the assignments you do not like. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 9 03:53:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01600 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA17280 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 03:31:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Michel Krabshuis" Subject: Re: Scrollback buffer must be disabled but how? Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:17:36 +0100 Organization: MultiAccess Message-ID: <918548361.531582@jive.news.big-orange.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman heeft geschreven in bericht <79nm78$efd$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <918507091.314458@samba.news.big-orange.net>, >Michel wrote: >: When users logged in the UNIX server using vt100 emulation, they accidently >: press PgUp keys in conjunction with SHIFT or CTRL. >: Then they are in the so called ScrollBack Buffer mode, but users have no >: idea what happened and thinking their computer is lockup and they shut down >: the computer. >: >: Can it be done to disable the scrollback keys??? >: > >First, check to make sure that your users are using 1.1.17. >If they are, then when they are in scrollback mode it says >"[Scrollbackl]" on the window title bar and "SCROLLBACK" on the >status line. > >Second, you can remap the scrollback functions with the >SET TERM KEY VT100 command. Unmap the assignments you do >not like. The users arent using a status line and are working full screen so there is nowhere an indication about the scrollback mode!!!! Which keys must i redefine? And is there something like a NULL mapping for the keys?? Thank you for your answer. Michel Krabshuis MCP From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 9 08:53:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00744 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA01313 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:26:13 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Scrollback buffer must be disabled but how? Date: 9 Feb 1999 13:26:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <79pd1k$18v$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <918548361.531582@jive.news.big-orange.net>, Michel Krabshuis wrote: : >Second, you can remap the scrollback functions with the : >SET TERM KEY VT100 command. Unmap the assignments you do : >not like. : : Which keys must i redefine? And is there something like a NULL mapping for : the keys?? : The keys to be redefined depend on the specific terminal emulation that you are using. For VT100 here is the procedure to use to determine the keys. . SET TERMINAL TYPE VT100 the terminal type is now VT100 . HELP KVERB UPONE . HELP KVERB UPSCN . HELP KVERB DNONE . HELP KVERB DNSCN . HELP KVERB ENDSCN . HELP KVERB HOMSCN these commands will list all of the current bindings for the kverbs that enter scrollback mode. For each keycode listed above . SET TERMINAL KEY VT100 \Kignore Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 9 14:53:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14808 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:53:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA22051 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:44:19 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Nathan Gordon" Subject: Kermit for linux Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:41:02 -0600 Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I need to install Kermit on a linux (redhat 5.2) computer. Where can I get it? Also, I use K95 and recently had to reinstall windows and lost the current version, where can I download the latest K95? Thanks Nathan kf9li@arrl.net From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 9 14:53:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14837 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA22434 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:53:51 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: kermit for linux Date: 9 Feb 1999 19:53:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <79q3oa$lsu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , Nathan Gordon wrote: : I need to install Kermit on a linux (redhat 5.2) computer. Where can I get : it? : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html : Also, I use K95 and recently had to reinstall windows and lost the : current version, where can I download the latest K95? : Send email to kermit-orders@columbia.edu explaining the situation and including your serial number or other proof of purchase. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 9 15:23:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23604 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA24002 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:23:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Need Help Using Kermit as a non-root user Date: 9 Feb 1999 20:23:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <79q5fb$ndt$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <79q2oq$1m0$1@ux2.accesscom.net>, Gregory I. Hayes wrote: : I am using aix 4.1.5.0. and C-Kermit 6.0.192. I have a C-Kermit script : called /usr/local/call-medb that dials out and transfers data to a remote : location and then recieves a response file. When it is run by root, it works : fine. The device that is being used for dial out is /dev/tty2. The problem I : am having is that tty2 is owned and in the group uucp. Whenever I try to run : the script with this setting not as root, I get the following error: : : Command file: /usr/local/call-medb, line 7 : /dev/tty2: Permission denied : Sorry, access to device denied: /dev/tty2 : Please read the C-Kermit installation instructions. You can find them in the UNIX appendix of "Using C-Kermit": http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html or in the ckuins.doc file. Briefly, most UNIX installations protect the dialout devices from users, so any program that access them needs to have the appropriate owner and/or group IDs (and suid and/or sgid bits) to grant read/write access to the device, and write access to the lockfile directory. This is true not just of Kermit, but also uucp, tip, cu, minicom, or any other program that needs to use a serial device. Do: ls -l /usr/bin/cu and then give the Kermit program (not the script) the same group and owner and permissions as cu. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 9 15:23:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23606 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23236 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:06:21 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Gregory I. Hayes" Subject: Need Help Using Kermit as a non-root user Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:52:00 -0600 Organization: AccessCom, THE New Orleans Internet Provider Message-ID: <79q2oq$1m0$1@ux2.accesscom.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I am using aix 4.1.5.0. and C-Kermit 6.0.192. I have a C-Kermit script called /usr/local/call-medb that dials out and transfers data to a remote location and then recieves a response file. When it is run by root, it works fine. The device that is being used for dial out is /dev/tty2. The problem I am having is that tty2 is owned and in the group uucp. Whenever I try to run the script with this setting not as root, I get the following error: Command file: /usr/local/call-medb, line 7 /dev/tty2: Permission denied Sorry, access to device denied: /dev/tty2 ?Sorry, you must SET LINE first Sorry, you must SET LINE or SET HOST first I tried setting the suid bit for the script and set the owner as root hoping this would give the script permission to do anything but it still gives the error. If I manually change the owner of tty2 to root and its group to system, It works fine ...but... the next time I run the script, the owner and group have been changed back to uucp. Nothing is using the line between dial outs. It is sometime used as a dial-in line, but this is rare. I have tried manually setting tty2 to crw-rw-rw. And this works...but ... when the script is finished it is changed to crw-rw--w- and the scrip fails when it is run. I have attempted to change the condition of tty2 via a unix chmod or chown or chgrp from kermit, but I get an error stating that this is not allowed. I've tried everything I know of Any one outthere have any idea why tty2 is being changed or how I can let a non root user run it ? The script is below: #!/usr/local/bin/kermit #run chmod a+rw /dev/tty2 cd /lin1/usr/ebill/mc log trans meb.transactions append set session log text set flow xon/xoff set modem type multitech set modem maximum-speed 19200 set modem dial-command ATDT%s\{13} set line /dev/tty2 set speed 19200 set dial retries 100 set dial interval 10 set terminal autodownload on # NOTE - Unix Kermit expects files to be terminated in LF only # our files are terminated in CRLF, hence the following line # [HERBR] 12-23-98 set file type text #set file end-of-line lf log session medb.session append delete response.emc dial 9,12252312251 input 360 Quit output 4\13 input 5 ... #send /lin1/usr/ebill/mc/medpartb send medpartb input 360 (Y/N) output Y #receive /lin1/usr/ebill/mc/response.emc receive response.emc hangup set line run /usr/local/reset.tty2 exit Gregory I. Hayes gihayes@bellsouth.net From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 9 16:53:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21196 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28438 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:40:49 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Denny Hardian Subject: Re: Need Help Using Kermit as a non-root user Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:24:35 -0500 Organization: Connix - The Connecticut Internet Exchange Message-ID: <36C0A792.99F6B4C0@aetna.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Greg, You have to include that non-root user as a member of uucp group so that it has permission to access /dev/tty2. HTH. Denny Gregory I. Hayes wrote: > I am using aix 4.1.5.0. and C-Kermit 6.0.192. I have a C-Kermit script > called /usr/local/call-medb that dials out and transfers data to a remote > location and then recieves a response file. When it is run by root, it works > fine. The device that is being used for dial out is /dev/tty2. The problem I > am having is that tty2 is owned and in the group uucp. Whenever I try to run > the script with this setting not as root, I get the following error: > > Command file: /usr/local/call-medb, line 7 > /dev/tty2: Permission denied > Sorry, access to device denied: /dev/tty2 > ?Sorry, you must SET LINE first > Sorry, you must SET LINE or SET HOST first > > I tried setting the suid bit for the script and set the owner as root > hoping this would give the script permission to do anything but it still > gives the error. If I manually change the owner of tty2 to root and its > group to system, It works fine ...but... the next time I run the script, the > owner and group have been changed back to uucp. Nothing is using the line > between dial outs. It is sometime used as a dial-in line, but this is rare. > I have tried manually setting tty2 to crw-rw-rw. And this works...but ... > when the script is finished it is changed to crw-rw--w- and the scrip fails > when it is run. I have attempted to change the condition of tty2 via a unix > chmod or chown or chgrp from kermit, but I get an error stating that this is > not allowed. I've tried everything I know of Any one outthere have any idea > why tty2 is being changed or how I can let a non root user run it ? The > script is below: > > #!/usr/local/bin/kermit > #run chmod a+rw /dev/tty2 > cd /lin1/usr/ebill/mc > log trans meb.transactions append > set session log text > set flow xon/xoff > set modem type multitech > set modem maximum-speed 19200 > set modem dial-command ATDT%s\{13} > set line /dev/tty2 > set speed 19200 > set dial retries 100 > set dial interval 10 > set terminal autodownload on > # NOTE - Unix Kermit expects files to be terminated in LF only > # our files are terminated in CRLF, hence the following line > # [HERBR] 12-23-98 > set file type text > #set file end-of-line lf > log session medb.session append > delete response.emc > dial 9,12252312251 > input 360 Quit > output 4\13 > input 5 ... > #send /lin1/usr/ebill/mc/medpartb > send medpartb > input 360 (Y/N) > output Y > #receive /lin1/usr/ebill/mc/response.emc > receive response.emc > hangup > set line > run /usr/local/reset.tty2 > exit > > Gregory I. Hayes > gihayes@bellsouth.net From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 9 21:53:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA14940 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA13648 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:25:00 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: brad.de.groot@gecits-ap.com Subject: Re: Help: Transmitting to Kermit TSO 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:25:41 GMT Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Message-ID: <36c0ecc4.16634566@news.aone.com.au> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Thanks for your help guys but I have still not been able to rectify the problem. I actually replicatated the ATOE, ETOA, TATOE and TETOA tables to match our previous working version of Kermit-TSO. My reson for doing this is that I thought if I could get the tables to match the old version of Kermit-TSO then it should work in the new version of Kermit-TSO 4.3.2. Am I correct in thinking this? Do you have any other sugestions that I could try to get this working. Thanks, Brad On 12 Jan 1999 17:49:05 GMT, pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) wrote: >Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >: In article <369a9176.10188882@news.ozemail.com.au>, >: wrote: >: : I previously had Kermit TSO 4.0 and have upgraded to Kermit TSO >: : 4.3.2. > >Note that 4.0 was not a production release of TSO Kermit. If you had it >working, it must have been considerably modified. > >: : I was sending the file at a speed of 9600. > >The SPEED setting in Kermit-370 has nothing to do with success or failure, >but is used only for the purpose of computing the throughput efficiency. > >: Checksum errors can be caused by data corruption or data loss. This is >: why we have checksums in the first place. > >: But in the IBM mainframe world, which uses parity, they can also be caused >: by a parity mismatch. Make sure your client program is set to use the same >: parity (even, mark, etc) that the mainframe (or its front end) expects. > >If your connection to the mainframe is in line mode, i.e., if TSO Kermit >says "Controller is TTY" or "Controller is VTAMTTY", then the most likely >cause of your problem is a mismatch between the ASCII/EBCDIC translation >tables used by the system (VTAM or whatever) and by Kermit. The corrective >action is to make the tables agree, most likely by installing a >SYS1.KERMINI or, if need be, by modifying Kermit itself. This procedure is >described in some detail in the user's guide for TSO Kermit. > > John Chandler From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 10 09:23:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14645 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA08891 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:20:30 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Help: Transmitting to Kermit TSO 4.3.2 Date: 10 Feb 1999 14:20:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <79s4jc$8lo$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36c0ecc4.16634566@news.aone.com.au>, wrote: : On 12 Jan 1999 17:49:05 GMT, pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John : Chandler) wrote: : : >Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : >: In article <369a9176.10188882@news.ozemail.com.au>, : >: wrote: : >: : I previously had Kermit TSO 4.0 and have upgraded to Kermit TSO : >: : 4.3.2. : > : >Note that 4.0 was not a production release of TSO Kermit. If you had it : >working, it must have been considerably modified. : > : >: : I was sending the file at a speed of 9600. : > : >The SPEED setting in Kermit-370 has nothing to do with success or : >failure, but is used only for the purpose of computing the throughput : >efficiency. : > : >: Checksum errors can be caused by data corruption or data loss. This is : >: why we have checksums in the first place. : > : >: But in the IBM mainframe world, which uses parity, they can also be : >: caused by a parity mismatch. Make sure your client program is set to : >: use the same parity (even, mark, etc) that the mainframe (or its front : >: end) expects. : > : >If your connection to the mainframe is in line mode, i.e., if TSO Kermit : >says "Controller is TTY" or "Controller is VTAMTTY", then the most likely : >cause of your problem is a mismatch between the ASCII/EBCDIC translation : >tables used by the system (VTAM or whatever) and by Kermit. The : >corrective action is to make the tables agree, most likely by installing : >a SYS1.KERMINI or, if need be, by modifying Kermit itself. This : >procedure is described in some detail in the user's guide for TSO Kermit. : > : > John Chandler : : Thanks for your help guys but I have still not been able to rectify : the problem. : : I actually replicatated the ATOE, ETOA, TATOE and TETOA tables to : match our previous working version of Kermit-TSO. My reson for doing : this is that I thought if I could get the tables to match the old : version of Kermit-TSO then it should work in the new version of : Kermit-TSO 4.3.2. : : Am I correct in thinking this? : It depends. The key points are that (a) the VTAM tables must be invertible, and (b) Kermit's tables must match the VTAM tables. : Do you have any other sugestions that I could try to get this working. : First confirm points (a) and (b) above. If transfers still do not work, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu detailing your setup -- which Kermit program you have on the other end, what kind of connection you have, how you are entering the mainframe (linemode, fullscreen, and if fullscreen, which kind of protocol converter), and include a packet log. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 10 12:54:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17518 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20801 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:53:31 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Subject: Re: Help: Transmitting to Kermit TSO 4.3.2 Date: 10 Feb 1999 17:53:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <79sh2k$in6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu brad.de.groot@gecits-ap.com wrote: : I actually replicatated the ATOE, ETOA, TATOE and TETOA tables to : match our previous working version of Kermit-TSO. My reson for doing : this is that I thought if I could get the tables to match the old : version of Kermit-TSO then it should work in the new version of : Kermit-TSO 4.3.2. One very important question: does the previous version of TSO Kermit work *now* in the same circumstances where the new version is failing? If not, then the requirements for the tables may have shifted (because of a change in VTAM, perhaps). If the old Kermit works, then it might pay to issue a TDUMP ATOE to both old and new and verify that the tables actually in effect do match (and ditto for the other tables). It is possible that the old version was modified to look in a different place for the system-wide INIT file, so that the tables are altered differently each time Kermit is started up. Similarly, it might pay to issue a SHOW to both old and new to see if anything else is different about the parameter settings. John Chandler From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 10 12:54:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17558 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20252 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:43:14 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: where is ckermit-6.0.192-7.i386.rpm Date: 10 Feb 1999 17:43:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <79sgfg$jop$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , Stuart R. Fuller wrote: : Chiyu Wang (chiyuwang@yahoo.com) wrote: : : Hello, : : : : I am trying to install "ckermit-6.0.192-7.i386.rpm" in my linux box. Can : : anyone tell what is the directory of this package in glint? Or, it can : : be found else where? : : ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/ckermit-6.0.192-7.i386.rpm : Assuming you want the Intel version. There are also versions for Sparc and Alpha. But at this point, C-Kermit 6.0 is nearing the end of its life cycle. Linux has changed significantly out from under it since 1996, and therefore C-Kermit 6.0 often fails to start or run under recent Linux releases or packages due to curses/ncurses and libc/glibc confusion, etc. Instead, I'd recommend you visit the Kermit website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ and pick up C-Kermit 7.0 Beta, which should work nicely on all Linux versions with all Linux packages (and if not, there's still time to fix it). It's not in RPM form yet -- it's distributed in tar.gz form during the test period. The website contains the download links and instructions for unpacking and building. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 11 04:24:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA08906 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA08253 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:17:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <36C2A00C.359312AD@accessone.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:17:01 -0800 From: Jeff Silverman Subject: Re: where is ckermit-6.0.192-7.i386.rpm Organization: Sense Networking Seattle (http://www.oz.net) To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu On behalf of the group and the planet: thank you, Frank, for a job well done. Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article , > Stuart R. Fuller wrote: > : Chiyu Wang (chiyuwang@yahoo.com) wrote: > : : Hello, > : : > : : I am trying to install "ckermit-6.0.192-7.i386.rpm" in my linux box. Can > : : anyone tell what is the directory of this package in glint? Or, it can > : : be found else where? > : > : ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/ckermit-6.0.192-7.i386.rpm > : > Assuming you want the Intel version. There are also versions for Sparc and > Alpha. But at this point, C-Kermit 6.0 is nearing the end of its life > cycle. Linux has changed significantly out from under it since 1996, and > therefore C-Kermit 6.0 often fails to start or run under recent Linux > releases or packages due to curses/ncurses and libc/glibc confusion, etc. > Instead, I'd recommend you visit the Kermit website: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ > > and pick up C-Kermit 7.0 Beta, which should work nicely on all Linux versions > with all Linux packages (and if not, there's still time to fix it). It's > not in RPM form yet -- it's distributed in tar.gz form during the test > period. The website contains the download links and instructions for > unpacking and building. > > - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 11 06:54:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22757 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:54:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA15478 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:38:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: ian@freedom01.demon.co.uk (Ian McNeill) Subject: starting external protcol from command line Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:38:50 GMT Message-ID: <36c2beb9.7700195@news.demon.co.uk> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu hi, I have ckermit7.0 running on a hp-ux system, and have got it set up to use zmodem external protocol from omen. It works find from within the ckermit program itself, the "SEND " works fine, but if I try to invoke ckermit a file name ie ckermit -s filename, ckermit fires up but the omen external protocol reports back with its usage info, which I take it means that it was not passed the filename to send. Regards Ian McNeill Noraut Ltd From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 11 10:24:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11256 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14546 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:10:21 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: starting external protcol from command line Date: 11 Feb 1999 15:10:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <79ursr$e6f$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36c2beb9.7700195@news.demon.co.uk>, Ian McNeill wrote: : hi, : : I have ckermit7.0 running on a hp-ux system, and have got it set up to : use zmodem external protocol from omen. It works find from within the : ckermit program itself, the "SEND " works fine, but if I try to : invoke ckermit a file name ie ckermit -s filename, ckermit fires up but : the omen external protocol reports back with its usage info, which I : take it means that it was not passed the filename to send. Might I ask a question? Why are you attempting to get calls to ckermit to send using Zmodem in this manner? If you want to send via zmodem from the shell just call 'sz'. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 11 11:54:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28150 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17889 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:30:41 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: remo.badii@deletethis.psi.ch Subject: Seyon users out there? Date: 11 Feb 1999 16:26:58 GMT Organization: Paul Scherrer Institute Message-ID: <79v0ci$agr$1@pss100.psi.ch> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Before asking specific ckermit questions, I'd like to know whether anybody is using it under Seyon, a terminal emulator/communication program for Linux. Thank you Remo ___________________________________________________________________ | Dr. Remo | __ _ Debian User | Paul Scherrer Institute | | Badii | / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __ | CH-5232 Villigen | | Nonlinear | / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / | Switzerland | | Dynamics & | / /__| | | | | |_| |> < | | | Stochastic | \____/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ | badii "at" psi.ch | | Processes | | www1.psi.ch/~badii | |____________|____________________________|_________________________| From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 11 23:54:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23131 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:54:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA17641 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:48:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jbowling@direct.ca (Jack Bowling) Message-ID: Subject: Re: where is ckermit-6.0.192-7.i386.rpm Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 04:48:01 GMT Organization: Canada Internet Direct, Inc. To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:17:01, Jeff Silverman wrote: > On behalf of the group and the planet: thank you, Frank, for a job well done. I echo this congratulation. When the annals of early computerdom are written, the people associated with the Kermit project will loom large, and none larger than Frank, Jeff, and Christine. ---------------- Jack Bowling jbowling@direct.ca From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 11 23:54:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23166 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA17516 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:44:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: imcneill@mccomp.demon.co.uk (Ian McNeill) Subject: Re: starting external protcol from command line Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 04:44:21 GMT Message-ID: <36c3b079.27818748@news.demon.co.uk> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: >In article <36c2beb9.7700195@news.demon.co.uk>, >Ian McNeill wrote: >: hi, >: >: I have ckermit7.0 running on a hp-ux system, and have got it set up to >: use zmodem external protocol from omen. It works find from within the >: ckermit program itself, the "SEND " works fine, but if I try to >: invoke ckermit a file name ie ckermit -s filename, ckermit fires up but >: the omen external protocol reports back with its usage info, which I >: take it means that it was not passed the filename to send. > >Might I ask a question? > >Why are you attempting to get calls to ckermit to send using Zmodem >in this manner? > >If you want to send via zmodem from the shell just call 'sz'. The version of sz I have doesnt seem to have a dailup/ line open & locking mechanism in it. It requires some other program to do that, and ckermit seems to perform this task well. Am I correct in assuming ckermit doesnt pass -s filename details onto the external protocol ? -- Regards---Ian. May the road rise up to meet you, Email to: May the wind be at your back, imcneill@mccomp.demon.co.uk May the sun always warm the side of you face, and may God always keep you in the palm of his hand From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 12 00:54:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA07676 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA20484 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:45:11 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: starting external protcol from command line Date: 12 Feb 1999 05:45:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7a0f55$k01$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36c3b079.27818748@news.demon.co.uk>, Ian McNeill wrote: : jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: : >Why are you attempting to get calls to ckermit to send using Zmodem : >in this manner? : > : >If you want to send via zmodem from the shell just call 'sz'. : : The version of sz I have doesnt seem to have a dailup/ line open & locking : mechanism in it. It requires some other program to do that, and ckermit : seems to perform this task well. Am I correct in assuming ckermit doesnt : pass -s filename details onto the external protocol ? So what you are doing is specifying a .kermrc file which dials a host and then you expect the -s command line to transfer the file with Zmodem? This is a bit unintuitive. The kermit command line options for file transfer are meant to be used to transfer files with Kermit protocol over the remote connection. The proper way to do this would be to not use the .kermrc file for dialing but to put this in another script. Then you could execute the script as: kermit dial-and-send-file-by-zmodem.ksc = where would be read as a parameter by the script and after a successful dial the script would say SET PROTOCOL ZMODEM SEND \&@[3] Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 12 16:55:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10203 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA07870 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:41:48 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: imcneill@mccomp.demon.co.uk (Ian McNeill) Subject: Re: starting external protcol from command line Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:07:06 GMT Message-ID: <36c489a5.3417308@news.demon.co.uk> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: >So what you are doing is specifying a .kermrc file which dials a host >and then you expect the -s command line to transfer the file >with Zmodem? > >This is a bit unintuitive. The kermit command line options for >file transfer are meant to be used to transfer files with Kermit >protocol over the remote connection. The proper way to do this >would be to not use the .kermrc file for dialing but to put this >in another script. Then you could execute the script as: > > kermit dial-and-send-file-by-zmodem.ksc = > >where would be read as a parameter by the script and after >a successful dial the script would say > > SET PROTOCOL ZMODEM > SEND \&@[3] Many thanks for you solution to my problem. Regards Ian McNeill Noraut Ltd. -- Regards---Ian. May the road rise up to meet you, Email to: May the wind be at your back, imcneill@mccomp.demon.co.uk May the sun always warm the side of you face, and may God always keep you in the palm of his hand From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 12 17:55:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21927 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA10638 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:43:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Subject: New release: TSO Kermit 4.3.3 Date: 12 Feb 1999 22:43:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7a2ara$8hl$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Kermit-370 for TSO has been updated with a minor bug fix. The fix undoes an inadvertant change in version 4.3.2 in regard to the time tag transmitted when TSO Kermit sends a file that happens to be a member of a non-ISPF PDS. In previous versions, and now again in 4.3.3, Kermit uses the modification date of the PDS, whenever available (and otherwise, the creation date). Under certain circumstances, version 4.3.2 would send the creation date even though the modification date was present and valid. For files maintained by ISPF, each member of the PDS has its own time tag, and the problem did not affect those files. The fix has been incorporated in the file iktker.upd (and described briefly in iktker.bwr). ik0aaa.hlp has been updated to reflect the new release number for TSO Kermit. The other files of the Kermit distribution for TSO remain unchanged. Note: as usual, changes in the TSO variant of Kermit-370 are also reflected in the ROSCOE variant. John Chandler From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Feb 13 07:55:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11688 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 07:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA19641 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 07:41:20 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Ilya Subject: Errors compiling kermit 6.0.192 on Linux 2.2.1 Organization: no place Message-ID: <36c541d0.0@calwebnnrp> Date: 13 Feb 1999 01:11:44 +0800 To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Trying to compile kermit 6.0.192 on Linux 2.2.1. Getting the following error: make linux .... kutio.c: In function `ttsspd': ckutio.c:4679: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function) ckutio.c:4679: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ckutio.c:4679: for each function it appears in.) ckutio.c:4685: `TIOCSSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function) ckutio.c: In function `ttgspd': ckutio.c:4833: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function) ckutio.c: In function `in_chk': ckutio.c:6092: warning: passing arg 3 of `select' from incompatible pointer type ckutio.c:6092: warning: passing arg 4 of `select' from incompatible pointer type make[1]: *** [ckutio.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/bin/kermit' make: *** [linux] Error 2 Any ideas? From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Feb 13 10:55:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03868 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26399 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:27:35 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Errors compiling kermit 6.0.192 on Linux 2.2.1 Date: 13 Feb 1999 15:27:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7a45l5$pot$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36c541d0.0@calwebnnrp>, Ilya wrote: : Trying to compile kermit 6.0.192 on Linux 2.2.1. : Getting the following error: : : make linux : .... : : kutio.c: In function `ttsspd': : ckutio.c:4679: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function) : ckutio.c:4679: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once : ckutio.c:4679: for each function it appears in.) : ckutio.c:4685: `TIOCSSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function) : ckutio.c: In function `ttgspd': : ckutio.c:4833: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function) : ckutio.c: In function `in_chk': : ckutio.c:6092: warning: : passing arg 3 of `select' from incompatible pointer type : ckutio.c:6092: warning: : passing arg 4 of `select' from incompatible pointer type : make[1]: *** [ckutio.o] Error 1 : make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/bin/kermit' : make: *** [linux] Error 2 : : Any ideas? : This is our most frequently asked question in recent weeks. Answer: Linux has changed significantly since C-Kermit 6.0 was released. Of course we have adapted, but this requires you try a newer version of C-Kermit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Feb 13 14:25:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24178 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07289 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:22:57 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Ilya Subject: Re: Errors compiling kermit 6.0.192 on Linux 2.2.1 Organization: no place Message-ID: <36c5d104.0@calwebnnrp> Date: 13 Feb 1999 11:22:44 +0800 To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In comp.os.linux.misc Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article <36c541d0.0@calwebnnrp>, Ilya wrote: > : Trying to compile kermit 6.0.192 on Linux 2.2.1. > : Getting the following error: > : > : make linux > : .... > : > : kutio.c: In function `ttsspd': > : ckutio.c:4679: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function) > : ckutio.c:4679: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > : ckutio.c:4679: for each function it appears in.) > : ckutio.c:4685: `TIOCSSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function) > : ckutio.c: In function `ttgspd': > : ckutio.c:4833: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use this function) > : ckutio.c: In function `in_chk': > : ckutio.c:6092: warning: > : passing arg 3 of `select' from incompatible pointer type > : ckutio.c:6092: warning: > : passing arg 4 of `select' from incompatible pointer type > : make[1]: *** [ckutio.o] Error 1 > : make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/bin/kermit' > : make: *** [linux] Error 2 > : > : Any ideas? > : > This is our most frequently asked question in recent weeks. Answer: Linux > has changed significantly since C-Kermit 6.0 was released. Of course we > have adapted, but this requires you try a newer version of C-Kermit: > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html > - Frank Thank you. kermit 7.0 compiled fine. Why is the binary called wermit? Ilya From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Feb 13 14:55:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02191 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07536 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:26:02 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Errors compiling kermit 6.0.192 on Linux 2.2.1 Date: 13 Feb 1999 19:26:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7a4jka$7bd$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36c5d104.0@calwebnnrp>, Ilya wrote: : In comp.os.linux.misc Frank da Cruz wrote: : > : ... : > : make: *** [linux] Error 2 : > : : > : Any ideas? : > : : > This is our most frequently asked question in recent weeks. Answer: Linux : > has changed significantly since C-Kermit 6.0 was released. Of course we : > have adapted, but this requires you try a newer version of C-Kermit: : : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html : : Thank you. kermit 7.0 compiled fine. Why is the binary called wermit? : So in case you already had a "kermit" binary, it won't write over it. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 15 12:56:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09792 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03910 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:38:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@92.usenet.us.com Subject: Scripting F1, Downarr Date: 15 Feb 1999 17:38:24 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7a9m2g$52e$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Okay, I finally have to do it. I've used a combination of MS-Kermit, Kermit-95 and CKermit on Unix to automate some of the drudgery in maintaining legacy phone systems. But I've stalled on two systems that use function keys and cursor positioning. What I need to do: login invoke consmenu0 wait for the last line of the first screen to show up cursor down four lines output f1 wait for another screen to paint output f1 I can't see a terminal independent way to output the \Kdnarr. When I run kermit interactively, I have all of the cursor control and function key usage that I need, but I can't seem to script those guys. I have the login, waitfor stuff okay, I do that on other systems. The only thing I am missing is the proper output for the function keys and cursor keys. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 15 14:26:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04538 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08382 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:10:21 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: llabash@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: Errors compiling kermit 6.0.192 on Linux 2.2.1 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:04:49 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7a9r4b$ufh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7a4jka$7bd$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > In article <36c5d104.0@calwebnnrp>, Ilya wrote: > : In comp.os.linux.misc Frank da Cruz wrote: > : > : ... > : > : make: *** [linux] Error 2 > : > : > : > : Any ideas? > : > : > : > This is our most frequently asked question in recent weeks. Answer: Linux > : > has changed significantly since C-Kermit 6.0 was released. Of course we > : > have adapted, but this requires you try a newer version of C-Kermit: > : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html > : > : Thank you. kermit 7.0 compiled fine. Why is the binary called wermit? > : > So in case you already had a "kermit" binary, it won't write over it. What if you already have "wermit"? -- Louis-ljl-{ Louis J. LaBash, Jr. } -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 15 14:56:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13883 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA10421 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:45:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Scripting F1, Downarr Date: 15 Feb 1999 19:45:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7a9tgk$a5h$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7a9m2g$52e$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : I can't see a terminal independent way to output the \Kdnarr. : When I run kermit interactively, I have all of the cursor control and : function key usage that I need, but I can't seem to script those guys. OUTPUT \Kdnarr : I have the login, waitfor stuff okay, I do that on other systems. : The only thing I am missing is the proper output for the function keys : and cursor keys. Assuming that you are using a VT terminal emulation there is no F1 key. Do you mean the PF1 key? \Kpf1 Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 15 14:56:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13885 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA10003 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 14:35:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Errors compiling kermit 6.0.192 on Linux 2.2.1 Date: 15 Feb 1999 19:35:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7a9sta$9og$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7a9r4b$ufh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : In article <7a4jka$7bd$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: : > In article <36c5d104.0@calwebnnrp>, Ilya : > wrote: : > : In comp.os.linux.misc Frank da Cruz wrote: : > : > : ... : > : > : make: *** [linux] Error 2 : > : > : : > : > : Any ideas? : > : > : : > : > This is our most frequently asked question in recent weeks. Answer: : > : > Linux has changed significantly since C-Kermit 6.0 was released. Of : > : > course we have adapted, but this requires you try a newer version of : > : > C-Kermit: : > : : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html : > : : > : Thank you. kermit 7.0 compiled fine. Why is the binary called wermit? : > : : > So in case you already had a "kermit" binary, it won't write over it. : : What if you already have "wermit"? : It will write over it. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 15 17:26:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22944 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17464 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:02:35 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@92.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Scripting F1, Downarr Date: 15 Feb 1999 22:02:09 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7aa5h1$86q$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <7a9m2g$52e$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : : I can't see a terminal independent way to output the \Kdnarr. : : When I run kermit interactively, I have all of the cursor control and : : function key usage that I need, but I can't seem to script those guys. : OUTPUT \Kdnarr : : I have the login, waitfor stuff okay, I do that on other systems. : : The only thing I am missing is the proper output for the function keys : : and cursor keys. : Assuming that you are using a VT terminal emulation there is no F1 key. : Do you mean the PF1 key? \Kpf1 Wait a minute... There is no \Kdnarr, nor \Kpf1, because in c-kermit, there is no "TERM". Interactively, I am a Vt100, today, coming from a K95 session. but running a batch from a unix box, I have no terminal type intrinsic to ckermit, right? So I have to output specific characters to make it work. since I know the program accepts VT100, and it's on a Unix box, in my batch (no terminal) script, I could output TERM=vt100 export TERM\013 and later output \027OP ; F1 transmit output \027OB ; downarrow transmit I had tried \Kdnarr, which works if invoked from Kermit-95, although I didn't manage to wind my way into the proper screen. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 15 18:56:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15872 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA22988 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:49:10 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Scripting F1, Downarr Date: 15 Feb 1999 23:49:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7aabpl$me9$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7aa5h1$86q$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Wait a minute... : There is no \Kdnarr, nor \Kpf1, because in c-kermit, there is no "TERM". : Interactively, I am a Vt100, today, coming from a K95 session. : but running a batch from a unix box, I have no terminal type intrinsic to : ckermit, right? : So I have to output specific characters to make it work. That is correct. : since I know the program accepts VT100, and it's on a Unix box, in my batch : (no terminal) script, I could : output TERM=vt100 export TERM\013 : and later : output \027OP ; F1 transmit : output \027OB ; downarrow transmit : : I had tried \Kdnarr, which works if invoked from Kermit-95, although I : didn't manage to wind my way into the proper screen. Correct. Althought, ESC O P is not F1, it is PF1. A VT100 unlike a VT520 does not have a F1 key. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 15 21:26:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04068 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA29642 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:14:12 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@92.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Scripting F1, Downarr Date: 16 Feb 1999 02:13:56 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7aak94$b7j$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Correct. Althought, ESC O P is not F1, it is PF1. A VT100 unlike a : VT520 does not have a F1 key. That's what got me back on the right track. It's been so long since I played with the keymaps. I've gleaned the key sequence desired from a combination of infocmp -1 on the target unix platform, and capturing keystrokes from a VT-whatever-it-is terminal that the system seems to like. Now I'm stuck in a different place. I can feed it appropriate down-arrows, and F1 keys to get through the menu, but the program itself seems to want a real terminal. If I take the .ksc up to the point where the program should be running, I can see that it is there (ps -f on Unix), but occupying no CPU time. If I "connect" from the script at this point, the output that I was expecting comes onto the screen, and it starts using CPU time. I really don't care about the output. I can check externally to see if the function completed successfully. In fact, in this one case, I'm only doing it because the program runs for over an hour, and I don't want to wait for it to finish ;-) If I'm at work, I just fire it off on an unused terminal, but from home, I can't quite get that to fly in the background. I tried "log debug", but that gives me too much info... I can't tell what I might need to do to make it run. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 15 22:56:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14395 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA03362 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:33:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Scripting F1, Downarr Date: 16 Feb 1999 03:32:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7aaotb$38v$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7aak94$b7j$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Now I'm stuck in a different place. I can feed it appropriate : down-arrows, and F1 keys to get through the menu, but the program : itself seems to want a real terminal. If I take the .ksc up to the : point where the program should be running, I can see that it is there : (ps -f on Unix), but occupying no CPU time. If I "connect" from the : script at this point, the output that I was expecting comes onto the : screen, and it starts using CPU time. : : I really don't care about the output. I can check externally to see if : the function completed successfully. In fact, in this one case, I'm : only doing it because the program runs for over an hour, and I don't : want to wait for it to finish ;-) If I'm at work, I just fire it off : on an unused terminal, but from home, I can't quite get that to fly in : the background. You might not care about the output but the host still needs it to be read. Otherwise, the host's output buffers will fill and the process will block while trying to write to stdout. Another possibility is that the host is sending queries that it expects the terminal to respond to. If it works with K95 but not with C-kermit this is a very strong possibility because K95's terminal emulator is active during the INPUT command and will send appropriate responses to terminal queries. (This behavior can be disabled in K95 with the SET INPUT TERMINAL OFF command.) You might want to continue this discussion via e-mail to kermit-support@columbia.edu as the turnaround will be faster. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 16 03:26:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA07754 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 03:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA17104 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 03:25:35 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Michel Krabshuis" Subject: Re: Scrollback buffer must be disabled but how? Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:19:46 +0100 Organization: MultiAccess Message-ID: <919153326.26751@samba.news.big-orange.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Thank you for your answer it works great. Grtx Michel Krabshuis MCP Jeffrey Altman heeft geschreven in bericht <79pd1k$18v$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <918548361.531582@jive.news.big-orange.net>, >Michel Krabshuis wrote: > >: >Second, you can remap the scrollback functions with the >: >SET TERM KEY VT100 command. Unmap the assignments you do >: >not like. >: >: Which keys must i redefine? And is there something like a NULL mapping for >: the keys?? >: > >The keys to be redefined depend on the specific terminal emulation >that you are using. For VT100 here is the procedure to use to >determine the keys. > >. SET TERMINAL TYPE VT100 > >the terminal type is now VT100 > >. HELP KVERB UPONE >. HELP KVERB UPSCN >. HELP KVERB DNONE >. HELP KVERB DNSCN >. HELP KVERB ENDSCN >. HELP KVERB HOMSCN > >these commands will list all of the current bindings for the kverbs >that enter scrollback mode. > >For each keycode listed above > >. SET TERMINAL KEY VT100 \Kignore > > > > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 18 10:27:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27939 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13727 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:09:41 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "W.Narr" <106006.664@nospam.compuserve.com> Subject: bug in ms-kermit-3.16beta1 (28-Jan-99)? Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:09:25 -0500 Organization: .. Message-ID: <36CC8185.5B7F@nospam.compuserve.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi, trying in my script the \fdate(name) function, there is no output. Works OK in version 3.15. Any Ideas? In the docfile I didnt find any hints. Thanks in advance, Wolfgang From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 18 20:57:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13435 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA13947 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:35:28 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: bug in ms-kermit-3.16beta1 (28-Jan-99)? Message-ID: Date: 18 Feb 99 14:45:54 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36CC8185.5B7F@nospam.compuserve.com>, "W.Narr" <106006.664@nospam.compuserve.com> writes: > Hi, > trying in my script the \fdate(name) function, there is no > output. Works OK in version 3.15. Any Ideas? In the docfile > I didnt find any hints. > Thanks in advance, > Wolfgang --------- It certainly is a bug. There were good intentions about it, however, when dealing with lists of files and directories. Alas, the single entry case lost the battle. I've fixed it here this morning and a beta 2 of MSK v3.16 will be available on both Columbia's archives and my netlab1/netlab2.usu.edu machines tonight or tomorrow morning. Thanks, Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 18 22:27:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26639 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA18070 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:09:56 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@89.usenet.us.com Subject: Default Upload Directory Date: 19 Feb 1999 03:09:30 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7aikla$57v$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Is there a default upload directory in K-95 (1.1.17)? I see the default download, and if I were doing individual shortcut/scripts for each connection I could make macros. Maybe that's what I need to do. My new users (1 so far) like the K-95 dialer screen, close-on-exit, good Wyse50 emulation, and autodownload to pre-configured directories, and they love the login scripts ;-) But I'm floundering on the upload directory, which, unfortunately, HyperTerm remembers, although there is no explicit setting. And, by the way... is the license per seat, or per concurrent user for K-95? -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 19 00:57:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16309 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA24930 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:34:11 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Default Upload Directory Date: 19 Feb 1999 05:34:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ait4a$oam$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7aikla$57v$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Is there a default upload directory in K-95 (1.1.17)? : I see the default download, and if I were doing individual shortcut/scripts : for each connection I could make macros. Maybe that's what I need to do. : : My new users (1 so far) like the K-95 dialer screen, close-on-exit, good : Wyse50 emulation, and autodownload to pre-configured directories, and they : love the login scripts ;-) : : But I'm floundering on the upload directory, which, unfortunately, : HyperTerm remembers, although there is no explicit setting. The current directory is the directory used for Uploads unless you are using a Kermit Server (such as when using the Auto-upload feature via a GET) then you can SET SERVER GET-PATH to specify where the files should be retrieved from. You can think of the CD command as Kermit's SET FILE UPLOAD-DIRECTORY command. : And, by the way... : is the license per seat, or per concurrent user for K-95? Per Seat. We do not have hooks in Kermit 95 for any of the commercial concurrent user management systems. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 19 02:57:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA24159 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA00547 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:40:19 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: znanie@best.com (Kirill Sapelkin) Subject: What modem type for Megahertz 14.4 pcmcia card? Date: 18 Feb 1999 23:38:15 -0800 Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hello ! I am trying to use a modem card in a ThinkPad 755C. It is a Megahertz 14.4 pcmcia card. What "modem type" should I use? My kermit ( 6.2 beta lists Megahertz but only the high speed ones. True it was compiled without the "old modem" option. Should I use an older kermit? Thanks for any help. Kirill Sapelkin From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 19 09:27:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29312 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA07470 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:08:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: What modem type for Megahertz 14.4 pcmcia card? Date: 19 Feb 1999 14:08:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ajr8o$79c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , Kirill Sapelkin wrote: : Hello ! : : I am trying to use a modem card in a ThinkPad 755C. It is a Megahertz : 14.4 pcmcia card. : : What "modem type" should I use? My kermit ( 6.2 beta lists Megahertz : but only the high speed ones. True it was compiled without the "old : modem" option. : : Should I use an older kermit? No. Reading the manuals ("Using C-Kermit" and your modem's) and using one of the Megahertz modem types as a template you should define your own "user-defined" modem type for use with your modem. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 19 11:57:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16076 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14635 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:48:46 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Richard Tessier" Subject: Connection thru CISCO router with PPP to unixware. File transfert problem ... Message-ID: <01be5c27$d8a00c00$acc909c0@rtessier.mfq.qc.ca> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:48:38 GMT To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu We installed a PPP conection and we intend to use TCP/IP protocol and make transfert file form unix machine to a PC. 1- The connexion works fine 2- file tranferts had problem to negotiate and download files . Does someone had an idea why ? From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 19 11:57:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16080 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14991 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:56:07 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Connection thru CISCO router with PPP to unixware. File transfert problem ... Date: 19 Feb 1999 16:56:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ak536$ekd$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <01be5c27$d8a00c00$acc909c0@rtessier.mfq.qc.ca>, Richard Tessier wrote: : We installed a PPP conection and we intend to use TCP/IP protocol and make : transfert file form unix machine to a PC. : : 1- The connexion works fine : 2- file tranferts had problem to negotiate and download files . : : Does someone had an idea why ? : Please send a more detailed report to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Which version(s) of Kermit software are you using, on what platform, what OS and version? What kind of connection? What commands did you give? - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 19 12:57:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05684 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20254 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:53:16 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Chris Jee Yen Tan Subject: Kermit & K6-2 incompatible? Date: 19 Feb 1999 17:52:57 GMT Organization: The University of Western Australia Message-ID: <7ak8dp$bfu$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I just ran Kermit 3.12 & 3.13 in a DOS box(Win98) on my K6-2 300 to test whether or not serial overruns were occuring due to the serial port or driver. However in both DOS box and restart to DOS it crashes reporting a "division by zero error". I remembered quite clearly running this program on my previous PC (Cyrix M2 PR166) quite fine. So is there some incompatible problem regarding Kermit and my PC. The only version that worked OK was Kermit 2.32 which did not crash. Anyone got any ideas as what could be wrong? Thanks for any help. J.Tan From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 19 13:27:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14461 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA21711 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:24:07 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit & K6-2 incompatible? Date: 19 Feb 1999 18:24:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7aka85$l6c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7ak8dp$bfu$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au>, Chris Jee Yen Tan wrote: : I just ran Kermit 3.12 & 3.13 in a DOS box(Win98) on my K6-2 300 : to test whether or not serial overruns were occuring due to the : serial port or driver. However in both DOS box and restart to : DOS it crashes reporting a "division by zero error". I remembered : quite clearly running this program on my previous PC (Cyrix M2 PR166) : quite fine. So is there some incompatible problem regarding Kermit : and my PC. The only version that worked OK was Kermit 2.32 which did : not crash. Anyone got any ideas as what could be wrong? : Since you are using Windows 98, you'll need Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 19 16:27:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09471 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29995 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:02:20 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: Kermit & K6-2 incompatible? Message-ID: Date: 19 Feb 99 13:55:32 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7aka85$l6c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <7ak8dp$bfu$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au>, > Chris Jee Yen Tan wrote: > : I just ran Kermit 3.12 & 3.13 in a DOS box(Win98) on my K6-2 300 > : to test whether or not serial overruns were occuring due to the > : serial port or driver. However in both DOS box and restart to > : DOS it crashes reporting a "division by zero error". I remembered > : quite clearly running this program on my previous PC (Cyrix M2 PR166) > : quite fine. So is there some incompatible problem regarding Kermit > : and my PC. The only version that worked OK was Kermit 2.32 which did > : not crash. Anyone got any ideas as what could be wrong? > : > Since you are using Windows 98, you'll need Kermit 95: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html > > - Frank ------- When you run very old code on very new machines you expect diffences. The current release of MS-DOS Kermit is v3.15, and v3.16 is in beta. Use one of those and there will be no such problem. Better yet, don't start the GUI. Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 19 16:27:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09478 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA00970 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:21:06 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit & K6-2 incompatible? Date: 19 Feb 1999 21:21:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7akkjv$u7$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , Joe Doupnik wrote: : In article <7aka85$l6c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > In article <7ak8dp$bfu$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au>, : > Chris Jee Yen Tan wrote: : > : I just ran Kermit 3.12 & 3.13 in a DOS box(Win98) on my K6-2 300 : > : to test whether or not serial overruns were occuring due to the : > : serial port or driver. However in both DOS box and restart to : > : DOS it crashes reporting a "division by zero error". I remembered : > : quite clearly running this program on my previous PC (Cyrix M2 PR166) : > : quite fine. So is there some incompatible problem regarding Kermit : > : and my PC. The only version that worked OK was Kermit 2.32 which did : > : not crash. Anyone got any ideas as what could be wrong? : > : : > Since you are using Windows 98, you'll need Kermit 95: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html : > : When you run very old code on very new machines you expect diffences. : The current release of MS-DOS Kermit is v3.15, and v3.16 is in beta. Use : one of those and there will be no such problem. Better yet, don't start the : GUI. : As Joe points out, the current version of MS-DOS Kermit does not get the divide overflow error, at least not when running under DOS. You can use MS-DOS Kermit under Windows 95/98/NT if you wish, but: a. It can not access Windows-specific devices such as Winmodems, Plug-n-Play modems, etc. b. It can not access TAPI devices, nor can it reclaim a TAPI device from another application that has registered for it, even when it is idle (e.g. a fax program). c. It can not use the Microsoft TCP/IP stack or other Windows-32 network services. d. It can not access long file names. e. It can not control the video adapter, e.g. for switching between 80 and 132 column mode. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 19 16:57:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18274 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01512 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:30:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@89.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Default Upload Directory Date: 19 Feb 1999 21:29:49 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7akl4d$i5j$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu dold@89.usenet.us.com wrote: That wasn't very bright... I was editting offline, and then posted the unchanged text ;-) What I meant to say was: If I create shortcuts for the different connections, I know that I'm left with .ksc files where I could put CD commands. I know I have a K95CUSTOM.INI where I could put "global" commands. But if I want to invoke different things from lines in the K95Dialer, how do I do that? If a script exists, to support a shortcut icon, is it invoked when the dialer line is used to make that connection? I suppose I could just check that. Is there a variable passed that I could use to separate some logic in K95CUSTOM.INI, where I would know which dialer entry had been used to start a particular kermit session? I would rather have the users presented with just one K95D screen, instead of a collection of individual icons. I could make macros in K95CUSTOM.INI, where the user would be expected to run a named macro, depending on where they needed to be for the different uploads (in these cases, there is no Kermit Server, or even real OS access at the other end of the connection). -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 19 16:57:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18278 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01410 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:28:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@89.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Default Upload Directory Date: 19 Feb 1999 21:28:28 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7akl1s$i4d$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <7aikla$57v$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : : Is there a default upload directory in K-95 (1.1.17)? : : I see the default download, and if I were doing individual shortcut/scripts : : for each connection I could make macros. Maybe that's what I need to do. : : : : My new users (1 so far) like the K-95 dialer screen, close-on-exit, good : : Wyse50 emulation, and autodownload to pre-configured directories, and they : : love the login scripts ;-) : : : : But I'm floundering on the upload directory, which, unfortunately, : : HyperTerm remembers, although there is no explicit setting. : The current directory is the directory used for Uploads unless you : are using a Kermit Server (such as when using the Auto-upload feature via : a GET) then you can SET SERVER GET-PATH to specify where the files : should be retrieved from. : You can think of the CD command as Kermit's SET FILE UPLOAD-DIRECTORY : command. : : And, by the way... : : is the license per seat, or per concurrent user for K-95? : Per Seat. We do not have hooks in Kermit 95 for any of the : commercial concurrent user management systems. : Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 : The Kermit Project * Columbia University : 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 : http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 19 16:57:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18281 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA02061 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:38:54 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Default Upload Directory Date: 19 Feb 1999 21:38:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7akll6$209$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7akl4d$i5j$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : dold@89.usenet.us.com wrote: : If I create shortcuts for the different connections, I know that I'm left : with .ksc files where I could put CD commands. : I know I have a K95CUSTOM.INI where I could put "global" commands. : But if I want to invoke different things from lines in the K95Dialer, how : do I do that? Place them in a login script or in the Login Textbox in the specific dialer entry. : If a script exists, to support a shortcut icon, is it invoked when the : dialer line is used to make that connection? No. The shortcut becomes independent from the dialer. : Is there a variable passed that I could use to separate some logic in : K95CUSTOM.INI, where I would know which dialer entry had been used to start : a particular kermit session? No. K95CUSTOM.INI executes before the dialer or shortcut script. : I would rather have the users presented with just one K95D screen, instead : of a collection of individual icons. : I could make macros in K95CUSTOM.INI, where the user would be expected to : run a named macro, depending on where they needed to be for the different : uploads (in these cases, there is no Kermit Server, or even real OS access : at the other end of the connection). The full script language is at your disposal. But I'm really not sure what you are attempting to solve. If you have a bunch of shortcuts, and for each session you want a specific default directory, specify in the shortcut that you want that directory to be the startup directory. If you want your users to have a single menu, then use the dialer. In each entry that you want to have a specific current directory place a CD command in the Login Textbox or in the Keyboard map script or textbox. How are your users performing the transfers? One would think that if they were changing to the command prompt they could say SEND to send the file that you want. If they are starting the transfer when connected to the host, specify a SERVER GET-PATH and have the user (or the host application) issue kermit -g and K95 will search the GET-PATH for the file you have requested regardless of the current directory. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 19 18:27:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27079 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA06597 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:01:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@89.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Default Upload Directory Date: 19 Feb 1999 23:01:15 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7akqfr$jcg$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu dold@89.usenet.us.com wrote: : But I'm floundering on the upload directory, which, unfortunately, I thought I wasn't doing it right, but actually it's one of the DOS/Windows problems ;-( The directory name, which I can't change, (and let's make no disparaging remarks about the second largest phone company in the world), is C:\Program Files\Worldcom\EDE Manager\Export cd C:\Progra~1\Worldcom\EDEMan~1\Export is what is required in the kermit login script. All better now ;-) -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 19 18:57:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01355 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA08506 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:37:19 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Default Upload Directory Date: 19 Feb 1999 23:37:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7aksjb$89n$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7akqfr$jcg$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : dold@89.usenet.us.com wrote: : : : But I'm floundering on the upload directory, which, unfortunately, : : I thought I wasn't doing it right, but actually it's one of the : DOS/Windows problems ;-( : : The directory name, which I can't change, (and let's make no disparaging : remarks about the second largest phone company in the world), is : C:\Program Files\Worldcom\EDE Manager\Export : : cd C:\Progra~1\Worldcom\EDEMan~1\Export : is what is required in the kermit login script. : : All better now ;-) You should not count on single backslashes. Here are your options: cd c:/progra~1/worldcom/edeman~1/export cd c:\\progra~1\\worldcom\\edeman~1\\export cd {c:/program files/worldcom/ede manager/export} cd {c:\\program files\\worldcom\\ede manager\\export} Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 19 21:27:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15407 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA15841 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:13:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Christopher Mosley Subject: Small mystery Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 02:13:48 GMT To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In various versions of mskermit/and on different computers when using the kermit prompt to dial a number, I sometimes get the message "cannot find dialing dir" (may not be exact message). After using the "cd" command without arguments on the kermit command line - the dialing directory _is_ found. Also I think the kermit command "cd ." (not a very sensible command) accomplishes the same thing. I have never noticed a pattern, that is something I have done previously that ensures that this error will occur or not occur. I always run kermit from the dir c:\kermit that contains the bin, dialups.txt, init files and the sub dirs: modems, pcfonts etc. (the dir you would have if you unzip the full 3.14). Although I am using 3.15 now. This is really more of a mystery than a problem. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Feb 20 02:27:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA12538 for ; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 02:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA28887 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 02:01:07 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: kchittur@nospam.che.uah.edu Subject: Re: where is ckermit-6.0.192-7.i386.rpm Date: 14 Feb 1999 18:00:00 GMT Organization: The University of Alabama in Huntsville Message-ID: <7a72v0$efm$1@info.uah.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In comp.os.linux.setup Jack Bowling wrote: > On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:17:01, Jeff Silverman > wrote: >> On behalf of the group and the planet: thank you, Frank, for a job well done. > I echo this congratulation. When the annals of early computerdom are > written, the people associated with the Kermit project will loom > large, and none larger than Frank, Jeff, and Christine. Hear Hear! I tell my students I use "kermit" from my home PC to dial into a modem on campus and read my mail - If they say eh? I tell them that I am not talking about kermit the frog but kermit the communications program! Thanks to the kermit team - THE communications program! From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Feb 20 11:57:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07584 for ; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24985 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:40:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <36CEE54B.37A02AF0@direct.A2000.nl> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:39:39 +0100 From: Job eisses Subject: HP-UX 10.20 with built-in modem To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I was surprised that the only large unix platform that includes kermit (6.0.192) in its distribution gives so much trouble when trying to use it for its internal modem on the 9000/800/K360. The first problem was to find the device name, for which a few hours scanning manuals was not enough. Finally someone remembered having seen that ports 0,1 and 7 meant something, and lo and behold: on /dev/tty0p7 we got OK when we typed "AT" into cu. But then none of my kermit scripts accomplished anything. "set line /dev/tty0p7" will not work, so i have to start kermit with "-l /dev/tty0p7" to talk to the modem, which works interactively, but "out ..." and "in ..." don't get me anything. Does this sound familiar to anyone ? Anything i can try ? -job From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 21 09:58:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13945 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:58:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27119 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:58:06 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Steve Grotheer" Subject: question on kermit error Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 07:51:00 -0700 Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Message-ID: <7ap6j4$rr6$1@fcnews.fc.hp.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I just purchased kermit95 and received an error message not found in the documentation. When trying to get a file, kermit says "refused, disposition". What does that mean. This seems to happen intermittently and usually, I can tranfer files just fine. I am using kermit on a windows 95 computer and connecting via serial port to an HP200lx using datacomm kermit protocal in server mode. Please reply to my email address as I don't log into news often: mailto:steve_grotheer@hp.com From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 21 10:58:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20001 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28508 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:30:29 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Sven Joensson" Subject: Kermit95 and two printers? Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:28:57 +0100 Organization: Enator Message-ID: <7ap8l0$s50$1@news1.enator.se> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I am using Kermit95 to run an application on a UNIX host. On the PC I have two printers connected to LPT1 and COM1 (one laser printer and one label/bar-code printer). Is it possible to let the application on the UNIX host direct printing to the two printers? I know I can do it from the command line in K95 with 'set printer ...', but it would be nice to be able to do this with an Esc-sequence from the application. /Sven Joensson From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 21 10:58:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20003 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29478 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:50:11 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Kermit95 and two printers? Date: 21 Feb 1999 15:50:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ap9vi$sp4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7ap8l0$s50$1@news1.enator.se>, Sven Joensson wrote: : I am using Kermit95 to run an application on a UNIX host. : : On the PC I have two printers connected to LPT1 and COM1 (one laser : printer and : one label/bar-code printer). : : Is it possible to let the application on the UNIX host direct printing : to the two printers? : : I know I can do it from the command line in K95 with 'set printer : ...', but it would be nice : to be able to do this with an Esc-sequence from the application. : : /Sven Joensson You host application can switch printers by using an APC sequence that includes the commands necessary to switch printers. You can read about APC in "Using C-Kermit 2nd Ed." page 278. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 21 10:58:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20006 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29238 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:46:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: question on kermit error Date: 21 Feb 1999 15:46:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ap9og$shj$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7ap6j4$rr6$1@fcnews.fc.hp.com>, Steve Grotheer wrote: : I just purchased kermit95 and received an error message not found in the : documentation. : : When trying to get a file, kermit says "refused, disposition". What does : that mean. : : This seems to happen intermittently and usually, I can tranfer files just : fine. : : I am using kermit on a windows 95 computer and connecting via serial port to : an HP200lx using datacomm kermit protocal in server mode. A disposition is store as a file, print the incoming data, or mail the incoming data. A "refused, disposition" error occurs when the receiver declines the file because it cannot "print" or "mail". Another possibility is that you tried to RESEND a file and the Kermit you are transfering to does not support RESEND. --- In the future, if you wish a private response send e-mail directly to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 21 16:28:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26396 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:28:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13995 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:02:34 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: HP-UX 10.20 with built-in modem Date: 21 Feb 1999 21:02:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7aps98$dl9$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36CEE54B.37A02AF0@direct.A2000.nl>, Job eisses wrote: : I was surprised that the only large unix platform that : includes kermit (6.0.192) in its distribution gives so : much trouble when trying to use it for its internal : modem on the 9000/800/K360. : : The first problem was to find the device name, : for which a few hours scanning manuals was not enough. : Finally someone remembered having seen that ports 0,1 : and 7 meant something, and lo and behold: on /dev/tty0p7 : we got OK when we typed "AT" into cu. : : But then none of my kermit scripts accomplished anything. : "set line /dev/tty0p7" will not work, so i have to start : kermit with "-l /dev/tty0p7" to talk to the modem, which : works interactively, but "out ..." and "in ..." don't get : me anything. : What about DIAL? : Does this sound familiar to anyone ? Anything i can try ? : Please start C-Kermit, give a "log debug" command, and then set up your port and try to dial. Assuming it fails, send in the resulting debug.log file to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 21 16:28:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26403 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:28:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA13861 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:59:47 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Small mystery Date: 21 Feb 1999 20:59:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7aps41$dh3$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , Christopher Mosley wrote: : In various versions of mskermit/and on different computers when using : the kermit prompt to dial a number, I sometimes get the message : "cannot find dialing dir" (may not be exact message). After using the "cd" : command without arguments on the kermit command line - the dialing directory : _is_ found. Also I think the kermit command "cd ." (not a very sensible : command) accomplishes the same thing. I have never noticed a pattern, that : is something I have done previously that ensures that this error will : occur or not occur. I always run kermit from the dir c:\kermit that : contains the bin, dialups.txt, init files and the sub dirs: modems, : pcfonts etc. (the dir you would have if you unzip the full 3.14). Although : I am using 3.15 now. : : This is really more of a mystery than a problem. : If you are using the standard MSKERMIT.INI, the dialing directory file name is kept in the variable, _DIALFILE, which you can refer to (and which the LOOKUP macro, used internally by DIAL, refers to) as \m(_dialfile). But since this is a DOS filename, typically "C:\KERMIT\DIALUPS.TXT", the fact that it contains backslashes might (should not, but might) cause some confusion. What happens, when a failure occurs, if you type "echo \m(_dialfile)"? - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 21 17:28:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10268 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17690 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:15:30 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Sven Joensson" Subject: Re: Kermit95 and two printers? Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:05:07 +0100 Organization: Enator Message-ID: <7apvrm$6jm$1@news1.enator.se> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu >You host application can switch printers by using an APC sequence >that includes the commands necessary to switch printers. You can >read about APC in "Using C-Kermit 2nd Ed." page 278. After a quest for an example of 2nd Ed. of "Using C-Kermit" I found all information I needed. Thanks! (K95 help files does mention APC, but refers to "Using C-Kermit" without mentioning "2nd Ed." A little confusing for us with only the first edition.) During my tests I soon got irritated by K95 going over to the command window when it executes what's sent in the APC string. Is there anything I can do to convince K95 to execute my command without switching to the command window? Regards /Sven From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 21 17:28:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA10271 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:28:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA18018 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:21:04 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit95 and two printers? Date: 21 Feb 1999 22:21:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7aq0sf$hj0$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7apvrm$6jm$1@news1.enator.se>, Sven Joensson wrote: : >You host application can switch printers by using an APC sequence : >that includes the commands necessary to switch printers. You can : >read about APC in "Using C-Kermit 2nd Ed." page 278. : : After a quest for an example of 2nd Ed. of "Using C-Kermit" I found : all information I needed. Thanks! : : (K95 help files does mention APC, but refers to "Using C-Kermit" without : mentioning "2nd Ed." A little confusing for us with only the first : edition.) : : During my tests I soon got irritated by K95 going over to the command : window when it executes what's sent in the APC string. Is there anything : I can do to convince K95 to execute my command without switching to the : command window? : No, sorry -- that's how it works at present. Commands are executed by the command processor, and we don't want the command processor and the terminal emulator running at the same time because this could lead to all sorts of complications. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 22 00:58:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29523 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA08839 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:29:54 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: James Lynch Subject: kermit for w3.1 Message-ID: Organization: Buffalo Free-Net Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 04:57:01 GMT To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I am running an old Tandy 2500sx with MSDOS 6.22 and Windows 3.1. I would like to know what version of Kermit I ned and where to get it. Thanks for any and all information. James Lynch ad232@freenet.buffalo.edu From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 22 08:58:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05986 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA20037 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:31:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: kermit for w3.1 Message-ID: Date: 22 Feb 99 06:17:01 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , James Lynch writes: > I am running an old Tandy 2500sx with MSDOS 6.22 and Windows 3.1. I > would like to know what version of Kermit I ned and where to get it. > Thanks for any and all information. > > James Lynch > ad232@freenet.buffalo.edu ---------- There isn't one written specifically for Windows 3.x. If you do not have a TCP/IP stack installed for Win3.1 then you can use MS-DOS Kermit talking to a Packet Driver interface while it runs in a DOS box. The distribution docs discuss such matters. If you do have a TCP/IP stack installed then you cannot also use the TCP/IP stack within MS-DOS Kermit. Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 22 09:28:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11002 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21717 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:01:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Richard Tessier" Subject: Re: What modem type for Megahertz 14.4 pcmcia card? Message-ID: <01be5e6c$09f54360$acc909c0@rtessier.mfq.qc.ca> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:01:50 GMT To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu You should look at tapi modem type. 1- create a dummy script with k95dial. It will generate a .KSC file. 2- Edit .KSC file and copy and paste the line that reference the tapi modem type you will have the proper signature and modem type. Kirill Sapelkin a écrit dans l'article ... > Hello ! > > I am trying to use a modem card in a ThinkPad 755C. It is a Megahertz > 14.4 pcmcia card. > > What "modem type" should I use? My kermit ( 6.2 beta lists Megahertz > but only the high speed ones. True it was compiled without the "old > modem" option. > > Should I use an older kermit? > > Thanks for any help. > > Kirill Sapelkin > From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 22 13:28:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23007 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:28:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA06111 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:26:13 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Matt Willman Subject: Timeout? Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:15:34 -0800 Organization: CNF Transportation Inc. Message-ID: <36D19EC6.ECF95468@cnf.REMOVE.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Using Kermit 6.0 on AIX 3.2.5. We have a problem with some users that cannot remember to terminate their connection. Is there some way to terminate their connection after a specified period of idle time? Looked through 'Using C-Kermit' but didn't see anything that caught my eye.... Thanks, Matt From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 22 14:28:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10595 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:28:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08006 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:06:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Timeout? Date: 22 Feb 1999 14:06:49 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7as9s9$4pg@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36D19EC6.ECF95468@cnf.REMOVE.com>, Matt Willman wrote: : Using Kermit 6.0 on AIX 3.2.5. We have a problem with some users that : cannot remember to terminate their connection. Is there some way to : terminate their connection after a specified period of idle time? Looked : through 'Using C-Kermit' but didn't see anything that caught my eye.... : That's a matter for the operating system. Most versions of UNIX have a facility for timing out idle jobs; I'm sure AIX has one too. By the way, C-Kermit 7.0 is now in Beta test: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html but I have not yet found anybody who could try building it on AIX 3.x. If you could do that, please let me know. Thanks! - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 22 15:28:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27953 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:28:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12100 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:16:10 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Matt Willman Subject: Re: Timeout? Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:06:17 -0800 Organization: CNF Transportation Inc. Message-ID: <36D1B8B8.F6B34F68@cnf.REMOVE.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Thanks for the info....I could compile it on one of our development boxes... If you're interested, send me an email at willman.matt@cnf.com Box is: 3.2.5, with IBM's compiler Thanks, Matt Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article <36D19EC6.ECF95468@cnf.REMOVE.com>, > Matt Willman wrote: > : Using Kermit 6.0 on AIX 3.2.5. We have a problem with some users that > : cannot remember to terminate their connection. Is there some way to > : terminate their connection after a specified period of idle time? Looked > : through 'Using C-Kermit' but didn't see anything that caught my eye.... > : > That's a matter for the operating system. Most versions of UNIX have a > facility for timing out idle jobs; I'm sure AIX has one too. > > By the way, C-Kermit 7.0 is now in Beta test: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html > > but I have not yet found anybody who could try building it on AIX 3.x. > If you could do that, please let me know. > > Thanks! > > - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 22 18:28:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19572 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21594 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:09:57 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Can C-Kermit be used to detect DTMF using a fax/data modem? Date: 22 Feb 1999 23:09:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7aso44$l2n$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7asn12$uic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : I've looked through the "Using C-Kermit" book by da Cruz for : any info on how to use the kermit command in interactive mode : to detect incoming DTMF from a fax/data modem (in my case a MT2834 with : enhanced V.34 data and fax). : : has anyone succeeded in this? Let me know. The modem supports incoming : DTMF detection according to the manual, but I just need to find a unix : command to help me prove it. : : Has anyone done anything like this using unix cu command. : C-Kermit is not a fax program and knows nothing about fax modems. You might want to try something like hylafax. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 22 18:28:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19575 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21083 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:00:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: apatnaik@aircom.com Subject: Can C-Kermit be used to detect DTMF using a fax/data modem? Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:51:14 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7asn12$uic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I've looked through the "Using C-Kermit" book by da Cruz for any info on how to use the kermit command in interactive mode to detect incoming DTMF from a fax/data modem (in my case a MT2834 with enhanced V.34 data and fax). has anyone succeeded in this? Let me know. The modem supports incoming DTMF detection according to the manual, but I just need to find a unix command to help me prove it. Has anyone done anything like this using unix cu command. I have a sparc running Solaris 2.5.1. I tried on a PC and it was easy and am looking for a sparc (unix) solution. Thanks! Email apatnaik@aircom.com -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 22 18:28:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19617 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA22280 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:22:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Can C-Kermit be used to detect DTMF using a fax/data modem? Date: 22 Feb 1999 23:22:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7asor7$lo4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7asn12$uic$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : I've looked through the "Using C-Kermit" book by da Cruz for : any info on how to use the kermit command in interactive mode : to detect incoming DTMF from a fax/data modem (in my case a MT2834 with : enhanced V.34 data and fax). : : has anyone succeeded in this? Let me know. The modem supports incoming : DTMF detection according to the manual, but I just need to find a unix : command to help me prove it. This question has nothing to do with Kermit. The answer to your question lies in your modem manual. If you modem supports the detection of DTMF (Dual Tone Multi Frequency) Touch Tone digits you need to figure out how to activate this mode in your modem. There is a good chance that when the DTMF mode is active you will not be able to read the output data as ASCII text. In which case C-Kermit will not be able to assist you in reading the output. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Feb 22 18:58:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28375 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA23264 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:38:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Don't want to send file if filesize grows Date: 22 Feb 1999 23:38:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7asppb$mmr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <19990222180043.02874.00001668@ng-fx1.aol.com>, OhOhTrubba wrote: : I have a directory called testdirectory. It has files constantly coming : into it 24 hours a day. I need to have a script send these files to : another directory on another filesystem; however, I have to make sure the : file is complete first otherwise I'll send over partial data. I'm : visualizing in my head something involving ls'ing the directory and : looking at the filesize bytes. Then five minutes later, looking at the : filesize again and if the filesize does NOT grow, send the file. If it : does grow, leave the file where it's at and check it again in another five : minutes. However, I'm new to Unix and don't even know where to begin. I : know ls could look at the files, awk could grab the filesize bytes and : cron could make something happen every five minutes, but other than that, : I'm clueless. HELP, please. : You didn't say how you are transferring the files, but tasks like these are easily accomplished (and automated) using C-Kermit scripts. The easiest approach is to send a file to Directory A, and then move it to Directory B after it is completely transferred. Or rename it to a name that indicates it has been fully transferred. For example, let's say a Kermit server is running on your AIX host, and its current directory is "tmp", which is parallel with "testdir". The client does: send blah ; ("blah" is the filename) if success remote rename blah ../testdir/blah This ensures that the file is moved to testdir if and only if it was transferred fully and successfully. Meanwhile your other process on the same AIX system is looking for files to appear in testdir. Let's say "testdir" is its current directory. It can do something like this: while true { assign \%n \ffiles(*,&f) ; Look for any files (1) xif > \%n 0 { ; There are some for \%i 1 \%n 1 { ; Loop through the list move \&f[\%i] ; Send each file (2) } } else { ; No files to send sleep 10 ; Sleep 10 seconds } } Notes: (1) \ffiles(*,&f) assigns the list of all files whose names match the pattern ("*" in this case) to the array \&f[]. C-Kermit 7.0 (currently in Beta test) is required to use this feature; somewhat less convenient methods are available in earlier versions. (2) The "move" command means "send the file and then, if and only if the transfer was successful, delete it". This ensures the same file won't be sent twice. Note that we don't care about failure here; if a file is not transferred successfully, we'll catch it again next time through the loop. More info about C-Kermit at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html And about C-Kermit 7.0 at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Feb 23 22:29:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24175 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA17118 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:01:56 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Tan Teik Boon Subject: difference between kermit protocol and ftp Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:59:07 +1000 Organization: Boon Message-ID: <7avpsi$hmt$1@usenet.usq.edu.au> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone tell me what is the difference between kermit protocol and ftp ???????? Thank you . From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 24 00:29:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA07238 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA23878 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:13:38 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: difference between kermit protocol and ftp Date: 24 Feb 1999 05:13:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7b01pl$na4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7avpsi$hmt$1@usenet.usq.edu.au>, Tan Teik Boon wrote: : Can anyone tell me what is the difference between kermit protocol and : ftp ???????? Thank you . : They are different protocols. FTP can only be implemented on a connection that is TCP end to end whereas Kermit can be implemented on any connection regardless of its reliability. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 24 02:59:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA22246 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:59:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA29876 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:58:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Christopher Mosley Subject: Re: Small mystery Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:58:13 GMT To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: > LOOKUP macro, used internally by DIAL, refers to) as \m(_dialfile). But since > this is a DOS filename, typically "C:\KERMIT\DIALUPS.TXT", the fact that it > contains backslashes might (should not, but might) cause some confusion. > What happens, when a failure occurs, if you type "echo \m(_dialfile)"? > - Frank I get C:\KERMIT\DIALUPS.TXT I discovered the dialing error occurs after a non-valid command is entered (the error message: "?word "some_non_valid_word" not useable here". Then when I try to dial, dialups.txt is not found even though I am in c:\kermit. "cd" , "cd .", or moving to another dir and back to c:\kermit corrects the problem. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 24 08:29:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16470 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:29:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA03383 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:03:54 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Christopher Mosley Subject: Re: Small mystery Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:03:46 GMT To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Christopher Mosley wrote: > Frank da Cruz wrote: >> LOOKUP macro, used internally by DIAL, refers to) as \m(_dialfile). But since >> this is a DOS filename, typically "C:\KERMIT\DIALUPS.TXT", the fact that it >> contains backslashes might (should not, but might) cause some confusion. >> What happens, when a failure occurs, if you type "echo \m(_dialfile)"? >> - Frank > I get C:\KERMIT\DIALUPS.TXT > > I discovered the dialing error occurs after a non-valid command is > entered (the error message: "?word "some_non_valid_word" not useable here". > Then when I try to dial, dialups.txt is not found even though I am in > c:\kermit. > "cd" , "cd .", or moving to another dir and back to c:\kermit corrects > the problem. this error only occurs when the (non-ambiguous) abbreviated forms of dial are used, that is d and di, there seems to be no problem with dia and dial. I have grown so used to just using just "d" I didn't bother using anything longer. geesh, this is so odd and trivial From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 24 13:59:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20539 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA21754 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:46:34 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Bob Mergner" Subject: Release The Modem Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:46:19 -0500 Organization: gte.net Message-ID: <7b1gfh$p8f$1@news-2.news.gte.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am running an automated dialer from a script file that fires up once an hour and delivers files to a remote machine. Now I have an additional remote machine that needs files. I have to be able to allow 2 instances of K95 to utilize the same modem to do this. Since previously I would loop on an error and try again. the second copy cannot get a hold of the modem if the first copy goes into an error and loops. To get around this, I want to put a pause into my error loop and let go of the modem, to give the second copy a chance to get in there and run. The only thing I could find that works is to issue a Set Line command telling it to grab a different device. For example, Set Line LPT1 allows the second job to get through, then when the second job is done, he sets line to LPT1 (or terminates) and the first job will Set Line back to the modem, and try again. Is there some other way to make the first job let go of the modem that's not such a hack? Thanks in advance for your help, Bob Mergner Healthworks Alliance, Inc. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 24 13:59:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20541 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA21842 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:49:38 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Release The Modem Date: 24 Feb 1999 18:49:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7b1hjv$laf$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7b1gfh$p8f$1@news-2.news.gte.net>, Bob Mergner wrote: : I am running an automated dialer from a script file that fires up once an : hour and delivers files to a remote machine. Now I have an additional : remote machine that needs files. I have to be able to allow 2 instances of : K95 to utilize the same modem to do this. Since previously I would loop on : an error and try again. the second copy cannot get a hold of the modem if : the first copy goes into an error and loops. To get around this, I want to : put a pause into my error loop and let go of the modem, to give the second : copy a chance to get in there and run. The only thing I could find that : works is to issue a Set Line command telling it to grab a different device. : For example, Set Line LPT1 allows the second job to get through, then when : the second job is done, he sets line to LPT1 (or terminates) and the first : job will Set Line back to the modem, and try again. : : Is there some other way to make the first job let go of the modem that's not : such a hack? : Yes: "close" (by itself). This closes the current connection (if any) and releases the device. K95 1.1.17 or later required. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 24 14:29:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28589 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:29:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA22849 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:07:27 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Setserial High Speed Help Date: 24 Feb 1999 19:07:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7b1il9$m9t$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7b191j$ss0$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, C Lance Moxley wrote: : I need a hand with setserial. I have installed a Lavaport PCI serial : card (UART 16650) on a RedHat 5.2 system with the default RedHat kernel. : I can talk to both new serial ports just fine, but I can't talk to them : with any speed over 115200bps. I installed this card to use with an : external ISDN T/A and I want to get the maximum throughput from the : serial port. What I don't understand is the "baud_base" and the "divisor" : options with setserial. How do I set these to allow 230400bps? I'd : like to use Kermit to talk to the T/A at that rate. : I don't know about setserial or your serial card, but C-Kermit 7.0 (currently in Beta test) supports high serial speeds in Linux in the normal POSIX way, i.e. without any of the hacks found in previous releases. C-Kermit's list of supported speeds on any particular platform comes from its scanning of the appropriate header files at compile time, and can be seen by typing: set speed ? at the C-Kermit> prompt. In Red Hat 5.2, where speeds are defined in /usr/include/termbits.h, serial speeds up to 460800 bps are supported. C-Kermit 7.0 can be found at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html By the way, if anybody would care to try building it on older Linux systems and/or on non-Intel platforms, please let me know. Thanks. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 24 15:59:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27745 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28542 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:55:05 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: C Lance Moxley Subject: Re: Setserial High Speed Help Date: 24 Feb 1999 20:54:51 GMT Organization: University of Illinois Message-ID: <7b1our$ekh$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In comp.os.linux.hardware Frank da Cruz wrote: > I don't know about setserial or your serial card, but C-Kermit 7.0 > (currently in Beta test) supports high serial speeds in Linux in the normal > POSIX way, i.e. without any of the hacks found in previous releases. I'm actually using Kermit (C-Kermit 7.0.195 Beta.04, 30 Jan 1999, for Linux). Here is what happens when I try to go to 230400bps: (/home/clm/) C-Kermit>set speed 230400 ?SET SPEED fails, speed is 110 It says that it is compiled to go to 460800: (/home/clm/) C-Kermit>set speed ? Transmission rate for /dev/cua2 in bits per second, one of the following: 110 1200 150 19200 230400 300 460800 50 600 9600 115200 134.5 1800 200 2400 38400 4800 57600 75 When I drop to 115200 it works fine. -- C Lance Moxley http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/clm From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 24 16:29:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05390 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29341 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:08:44 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Setserial High Speed Help Date: 24 Feb 1999 21:08:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7b1por$skq$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7b1our$ekh$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, C Lance Moxley wrote: : In comp.os.linux.hardware Frank da Cruz wrote: : : > I don't know about setserial or your serial card, but C-Kermit 7.0 : > (currently in Beta test) supports high serial speeds in Linux in the normal : > POSIX way, i.e. without any of the hacks found in previous releases. : : I'm actually using Kermit (C-Kermit 7.0.195 Beta.04, 30 Jan 1999, for Linux). : : Here is what happens when I try to go to 230400bps: : : (/home/clm/) C-Kermit>set speed 230400 : ?SET SPEED fails, speed is 110 : : It says that it is compiled to go to 460800: : : (/home/clm/) C-Kermit>set speed ? Transmission rate for /dev/cua2 in bits : per second, one of the following: : 110 1200 150 19200 230400 300 460800 50 600 9600 : 115200 134.5 1800 200 2400 38400 4800 57600 75 : : When I drop to 115200 it works fine. : The problem there is that, although the API for setting the speed to 230400 is legal, the driver for the particular device does not accept that speed, or it accepts it but misinterprets it; the failure message comes when, after attempting to set the speed as requested, it reads it back and the result does not match. So... Which kernel do you have? Which distribution and version? What kind of serial port is cua2? Does its driver support speeds in excess of 115200? I suspect it doesn't (or if it does, that it does so through nonstandard APIs). - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 24 18:59:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16628 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA08587 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:59:35 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Subject: Re: Setserial High Speed Help From: conover@inow.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:59:26 GMT To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu C. Lance Moxley writes: > > Here is what happens when I try to go to 230400bps: > > (/home/clm/) C-Kermit>set speed 230400 > ?SET SPEED fails, speed is 110 > > It says that it is compiled to go to 460800: > > (/home/clm/) C-Kermit>set speed ? Transmission rate for /dev/cua2 in bits per second, one of the following: > 110 1200 150 19200 230400 300 460800 50 600 9600 > 115200 134.5 1800 200 2400 38400 4800 57600 75 > > When I drop to 115200 it works fine. > I don't know, but it might be aserial card problem. I think the RS232 has a 115200 limit. John -- John Conover, 631 Lamont Ct., Campbell, CA., 95008, USA. VOX 408.370.2688, FAX 408.379.9602 conover@inow.com, http://www2.inow.com/~conover/john.html From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 24 19:29:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23528 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA09288 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:13:47 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Setserial High Speed Help Date: 25 Feb 1999 00:13:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7b24jk$924$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : C. Lance Moxley writes: : > : > Here is what happens when I try to go to 230400bps: : > : > (/home/clm/) C-Kermit>set speed 230400 : > ?SET SPEED fails, speed is 110 : > : > It says that it is compiled to go to 460800: : > : > (/home/clm/) C-Kermit>set speed ? Transmission rate for /dev/cua2 in : > bits per second, one of the following: : > 110 1200 150 19200 230400 300 460800 50 600 9600 : > 115200 134.5 1800 200 2400 38400 4800 57600 75 : > : > When I drop to 115200 it works fine. : : I don't know, but it might be aserial card problem. I think the RS232 : has a 115200 limit. : Not really. If there is any limit at all in the standard, last time I looked it was 20000 bps. The following issues are pertinent for each speed: 1. Is there an API to set the speed? 2. If there is an API, will the driver accept the speed? 3. If the driver accepts the speed, will the device be able to use it? 4. If the device can use it, will it work? The latter depends on electricity, information theory, etc. How long is the cable, what is its capacitance, how well is it shielded, etc, not to mention that every connection has two ends and its success depends on both of them. (With the obvious caveats about internal modems, is the cable really connected, interrupt conflicts, etc etc etc). In C-Kermit 7.0: 1. If there is an API to set the speed, the speed appears in the "set speed ?" list (determined at compile time). If a speed does not appear in the list, that means it was not found in the header files on the computer where Kermit was built. If your computer's header files include additional speeds, rebuild Kermit on your computer to pick them up. 2. If the driver does not accept the speed, or gets an error trying to set it in the device, Kermit reports an error (determined at run time). 3. If Kermit does not report an error, then the APIs have told Kermit that the speed was set successfully. But this still does not guarantee it will work, because no software can control factors outside the computer. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 24 20:29:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA08566 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA12621 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:19:23 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Mickey Stein Subject: Re: Setserial High Speed Help Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:19:19 -0800 Organization: CTS Network Services Message-ID: <36D4A517.F6F35A3E@cts.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I know I missed 99% of this thread but I've got a 16750 UART and an ISDN modem. The UART is capable of 921,600 baud_total. The Modem is capable of 230400 via a special command to the modem. To setup the UART via setserial in Linux, I've got to use a "setserial /dev/ttySx UART 16750 baud_total 921600 baud_divisor 4 spd_cust" command but forgive me for the syntax errors since I'm not in linux at the moment. It's close to that command anyway. This allows the UART to operate at 921600 (which is the true top speed for the 16750) divided by 4 which is the divisor that'll give you 230400 and then spd_cust tells it that when you set the baud rate to 38,400 to REALLY run at 230,400. I know that sounds insane but do a man on setserial and check it out. No way can I do a setserial 230400 or ppp baud set = 230400 and get anything to work. The second part is whether you're using a modem on this serial port and if so : is it an isdn modem or some modem that is really designed to operate at 230400? There's only 2 isdn modems that I know of (bitsurfer and 3com iq) that'll run at this speed and even then they won't take typed in "AT" commands at that speed. As far as kermit goes , I'd think your only shot at getting it to work at 230k is via a null-modem cable direct connect. sorry if I missed the 'plot' to this story but I hope some of that stuff above is of some use. mick Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article , wrote: > : C. Lance Moxley writes: > : > > : > Here is what happens when I try to go to 230400bps: > : > > : > (/home/clm/) C-Kermit>set speed 230400 > : > ?SET SPEED fails, speed is 110 > : > > : > It says that it is compiled to go to 460800: > : > > : > (/home/clm/) C-Kermit>set speed ? Transmission rate for /dev/cua2 in > : > bits per second, one of the following: > : > 110 1200 150 19200 230400 300 460800 50 600 9600 > : > 115200 134.5 1800 200 2400 38400 4800 57600 75 > : > > : > When I drop to 115200 it works fine. > : > : I don't know, but it might be aserial card problem. I think the RS232 > : has a 115200 limit. > : > Not really. If there is any limit at all in the standard, last time I looked > it was 20000 bps. The following issues are pertinent for each speed: > > 1. Is there an API to set the speed? > > 2. If there is an API, will the driver accept the speed? > > 3. If the driver accepts the speed, will the device be able to use it? > > 4. If the device can use it, will it work? > > The latter depends on electricity, information theory, etc. How long is > the cable, what is its capacitance, how well is it shielded, etc, not to > mention that every connection has two ends and its success depends on both > of them. (With the obvious caveats about internal modems, is the cable > really connected, interrupt conflicts, etc etc etc). > > In C-Kermit 7.0: > > 1. If there is an API to set the speed, the speed appears in the > "set speed ?" list (determined at compile time). If a speed does not > appear in the list, that means it was not found in the header files > on the computer where Kermit was built. If your computer's header > files include additional speeds, rebuild Kermit on your computer to > pick them up. > > 2. If the driver does not accept the speed, or gets an error trying to > set it in the device, Kermit reports an error (determined at run time). > > 3. If Kermit does not report an error, then the APIs have told Kermit > that the speed was set successfully. But this still does not guarantee > it will work, because no software can control factors outside the > computer. > > - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 24 22:00:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25334 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA16151 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:32:05 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: C Lance Moxley Subject: Re: Setserial High Speed Help Date: 25 Feb 1999 02:31:55 GMT Organization: University of Illinois Message-ID: <7b2cmr$3er$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In comp.os.linux.hardware Mickey Stein wrote: > I know I missed 99% of this thread but I've got a 16750 UART and an ISDN modem. > The UART is capable of 921,600 baud_total. The Modem is capable of 230400 via a > special command to the modem. To setup the UART via setserial in Linux, I've got > to use a "setserial /dev/ttySx UART 16750 baud_total 921600 baud_divisor 4 > spd_cust" command but forgive me for the syntax errors since I'm not in linux at > the moment. It's close to that command anyway. This allows the UART to operate at > 921600 (which is the true top speed for the 16750) divided by 4 which is the > divisor that'll give you 230400 and then spd_cust tells it that when you set the > baud rate to 38,400 to REALLY run at 230,400. I know that sounds insane but do a > man on setserial and check it out. No way can I do a setserial 230400 or ppp baud > set = 230400 and get anything to work. This is the part that I need help with. My serial card has a 16650 UART. The manufacturer says that it will go 460800bps. So you're saying that if I set the baud_base to 460800 and the divisor to 2 I'll be able to get 230400bps if I use spd_cust and set my ppp to use 38400? I've poured over the setserial manual but didn't figure out that 38400 would really mean something else. > The second part is whether you're using a modem on this serial port and if so : > is it an isdn modem or some modem that is really designed to operate at 230400? > There's only 2 isdn modems that I know of (bitsurfer and 3com iq) that'll run at > this speed and even then they won't take typed in "AT" commands at that speed. As I have an Eicon Diva ISDN T/A. The manual says to drive the DTE at 230400 if you can and that's what I'm trying to do. I don't know if it will take AT commands at that speed or not. If not, then how do you really get it to run at 230400? I mean, you have to dial a number somehow. -- C Lance Moxley http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/clm From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Feb 24 22:29:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA27717 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA18082 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:09:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Mickey Stein Subject: Re: Setserial High Speed Help Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:09:30 -0800 Organization: CTS Network Services Message-ID: <36D4BEEA.D6047B94@cts.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu C Lance Moxley wrote: > In comp.os.linux.hardware Mickey Stein wrote: > > I know I missed 99% of this thread but I've got a 16750 UART and an ISDN modem. > > The UART is capable of 921,600 baud_total. The Modem is capable of 230400 via a > > special command to the modem. To setup the UART via setserial in Linux, I've got > > to use a "setserial /dev/ttySx UART 16750 baud_total 921600 baud_divisor 4 > > spd_cust" command but forgive me for the syntax errors since I'm not in linux at > > the moment. It's close to that command anyway. This allows the UART to operate at > > 921600 (which is the true top speed for the 16750) divided by 4 which is the > > divisor that'll give you 230400 and then spd_cust tells it that when you set the > > baud rate to 38,400 to REALLY run at 230,400. I know that sounds insane but do a > > man on setserial and check it out. No way can I do a setserial 230400 or ppp baud > > set = 230400 and get anything to work. > > This is the part that I need help with. My serial card has a 16650 > UART. The manufacturer says that it will go 460800bps. So you're > saying that if I set the baud_base to 460800 and the divisor to 2 > I'll be able to get 230400bps if I use spd_cust and set my ppp to > use 38400? Well it sounds like you're on the right track for setserial. I'd give that a try. > I've poured over the setserial manual but didn't figure out that > 38400 would really mean something else. Sorry: I thought it said that right on the man page for setserial. > > The second part is whether you're using a modem on this serial port and if so : > > is it an isdn modem or some modem that is really designed to operate at 230400? > > There's only 2 isdn modems that I know of (bitsurfer and 3com iq) that'll run at > > this speed and even then they won't take typed in "AT" commands at that speed. As > > I have an Eicon Diva ISDN T/A. The manual says to drive the DTE at 230400 > if you can and that's what I'm trying to do. I don't know if it will > take AT commands at that speed or not. If not, then how do you really > get it to run at 230400? I mean, you have to dial a number somehow. Maybe you need to slow down and get it working at 115K first. All of these isdn modems will talk to an async term emulator (like minicom or seyon or even the interactive mode of kermit) at 115, but I've yet to see one that'll talk to any modem at 230K. There's a trick (or what looks like a trick to me) and that usually consists of a special one-way only setup string for the modem when it's in autobaud(115) mode. I think on 3com's it's something like at $230000 or some such thing (that's definitely wrong... ) , but you need to work out the bugs of your hookup at 115 before you commit to a mode where you can't interactively communicate with the modem. Doesn't it say this stuff somewhere in your modem manual? Seems like it should. In windows, there's some driver code written that will allow switching back & forth via some tiny output i/o progs that just switch from 230k to autobaud and vice-versa. In Linux you're on your own. It shouldn't be very complex to figure out what was output and write your own little c program. I just never bothered and when I want to talk to the modem and see the result of at commands, then I reset it and it by default comes up autobaud and can be talked to without going nuts at 230k. There's some decent info over on the Pacific Turbocomm site about this stuff (look for their 230K switching program and linux info). Sorry but I don't have the url but just search "Pacific Turbocomm" on altavista or something. Anyway.. give that setserial the way you mentioned it a try and good luck with this thing. It can be done in linux and you should be able to get both b channels working too. Mick > > > -- > C Lance Moxley > http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/clm From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 25 08:30:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29204 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA17976 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:24:29 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: C Lance Moxley Subject: Re: Setserial High Speed Help Date: 25 Feb 1999 13:24:19 GMT Organization: University of Illinois Message-ID: <7b3iu3$8c5$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In comp.os.linux.hardware Mickey Stein wrote: >> This is the part that I need help with. My serial card has a 16650 >> UART. The manufacturer says that it will go 460800bps. So you're >> saying that if I set the baud_base to 460800 and the divisor to 2 >> I'll be able to get 230400bps if I use spd_cust and set my ppp to >> use 38400? > Well it sounds like you're on the right track for setserial. I'd give that a try. Did it and it works perfectly. Thanks a lot for the help. >> I've poured over the setserial manual but didn't figure out that >> 38400 would really mean something else. > Sorry: I thought it said that right on the man page for setserial. It does, but I didn't comprehend it until I read your message. I guess I just needed it said a different way to fully understand it. > Maybe you need to slow down and get it working at 115K first. All of these isdn modems > will talk to an async term emulator (like minicom or seyon or even the interactive mode > of kermit) at 115, but I've yet to see one that'll talk to any modem at 230K. There's a Actually I have a new 3Com/USR Courier V.90 external modem that also will talk to a DTE at 230400bps. That's what I used to make sure that I was actually talking 230400 through my serial port. If you do an &w followed by an i7 you will see the DTE speed that the modem is talking to the serial port at. It seems to do AT commands just fine at 230400 as does the Eicon Diva T/A. > Anyway.. give that setserial the way you mentioned it a try and good luck with this > thing. It can be done in linux and you should be able to get both b channels working > too. Again, thanks for clearing up what the setserial man page says. Everything is working like I expected it to now. -- C Lance Moxley http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/clm From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 25 13:30:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25416 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA04159 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:29:42 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Bob Mergner" Subject: Passwords in upper case Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:29:22 -0500 Organization: gte.net Message-ID: <7b43rb$74v$1@news-2.news.gte.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have a script that logs onto a system with a username, and a password that has been encrypted by k95dial's script generator. This password is lower case. On my windows98 system, the password works fine, but on my Windows NT 4.0 server system, the password gets sent upper case. On the host system in question, upper case makes the password fail. Is this a bug? Bob Mergner Healthworks Alliance, Inc. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 25 14:00:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04749 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:00:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05755 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:56:19 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Passwords in upper case Date: 25 Feb 1999 18:56:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7b46cg$5jn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7b43rb$74v$1@news-2.news.gte.net>, Bob Mergner wrote: : Hi, : : I have a script that logs onto a system with a username, and a password that : has been encrypted by k95dial's script generator. This password is lower : case. On my windows98 system, the password works fine, but on my Windows NT : 4.0 server system, the password gets sent upper case. On the host system in : question, upper case makes the password fail. Is this a bug? : The code is the same on Win98 and NT. The password is sent as it was entered in the dialer. Are you sure that it is the password that is being rejected by the host? Perhaps your userid is the wrong case. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 25 15:00:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24301 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08662 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:51:20 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Mickey Stein Subject: Re: Setserial High Speed Help Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:51:14 -0800 Organization: CTS Network Services Message-ID: <36D5A9B2.1C4B7A6F@cts.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Great -- Glad you worked it out,,, Mick C Lance Moxley wrote: > In comp.os.linux.hardware Mickey Stein wrote: > > >> This is the part that I need help with. My serial card has a 16650 > >> UART. The manufacturer says that it will go 460800bps. So you're > >> saying that if I set the baud_base to 460800 and the divisor to 2 > >> I'll be able to get 230400bps if I use spd_cust and set my ppp to > >> use 38400? > > > Well it sounds like you're on the right track for setserial. I'd give that a try. > > Did it and it works perfectly. Thanks a lot for the help. > > >> I've poured over the setserial manual but didn't figure out that > >> 38400 would really mean something else. > > > Sorry: I thought it said that right on the man page for setserial. > > It does, but I didn't comprehend it until I read your message. I guess > I just needed it said a different way to fully understand it. > > > Maybe you need to slow down and get it working at 115K first. All of these isdn modems > > will talk to an async term emulator (like minicom or seyon or even the interactive mode > > of kermit) at 115, but I've yet to see one that'll talk to any modem at 230K. There's a > > Actually I have a new 3Com/USR Courier V.90 external modem that also > will talk to a DTE at 230400bps. That's what I used to make sure that > I was actually talking 230400 through my serial port. If you do an &w > followed by an i7 you will see the DTE speed that the modem is talking > to the serial port at. > > It seems to do AT commands just fine at 230400 as does the Eicon Diva T/A. > > > Anyway.. give that setserial the way you mentioned it a try and good luck with this > > thing. It can be done in linux and you should be able to get both b channels working > > too. > > Again, thanks for clearing up what the setserial man page says. > Everything is working like I expected it to now. > > -- > C Lance Moxley > http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/clm From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 25 15:30:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04152 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09608 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:07:21 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Bob Mergner" Subject: Re: Passwords in upper case Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:07:04 -0500 Organization: gte.net Message-ID: <7b49ii$3f9$1@news-2.news.gte.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I checked the scrollback buffer, and the username is being sent in lower case. Again, the same script works when run on a 95/98 box but not on an NT box. I believe the host system is an IBM AIX. I ended up using the OUTPUT command in order to get my script working on both boxes, but of course, it's not encrypted in the script (but that really doesn't matter here, since nobody can get at it here in our offices). The host system states that the password is in upper case, and that that's why it's failing, but only when I run the script on our NT box. On my 98 box, I get right in. If you want me to, I can send you the script. Bob Mergner Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <7b46cg$5jn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <7b43rb$74v$1@news-2.news.gte.net>, >Bob Mergner wrote: >: Hi, >: >: I have a script that logs onto a system with a username, and a password that >: has been encrypted by k95dial's script generator. This password is lower >: case. On my windows98 system, the password works fine, but on my Windows NT >: 4.0 server system, the password gets sent upper case. On the host system in >: question, upper case makes the password fail. Is this a bug? >: > >The code is the same on Win98 and NT. The password is sent as it was >entered in the dialer. Are you sure that it is the password that is being >rejected by the host? Perhaps your userid is the wrong case. > > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 25 20:30:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21324 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA26739 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:22:46 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@15.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Passwords in upper case Date: 26 Feb 1999 01:21:57 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7b4svl$7rq$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Bob Mergner (rmergner@hworks.com) wrote: : I have a script that logs onto a system with a username, and a password that : has been encrypted by k95dial's script generator. This password is lower I recall that there was a special character that would indicate that the following characters were to be case-swapped. This is from long-long ago, but it might apply to AIX, where I have debugged some really odd old things. Is there anything in your name or password tht is not a "normal" character [a-z,0-9] ? -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Feb 25 21:00:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25413 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA27755 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:43:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Passwords in upper case Date: 26 Feb 1999 01:43:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7b4u7l$r38$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7b4svl$7rq$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Bob Mergner (rmergner@hworks.com) wrote: : : : I have a script that logs onto a system with a username, and a password that : : has been encrypted by k95dial's script generator. This password is lower : : I recall that there was a special character that would indicate that : the following characters were to be case-swapped. This is from : long-long ago, but it might apply to AIX, where I have debugged some : really odd old things. Is there anything in your name or password tht : is not a "normal" character [a-z,0-9] ? There are no special characters in Kermit's password. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 26 04:30:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA10741 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 04:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA17242 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 04:24:49 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Frankie Subject: Kermit for Linux Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:27:19 +0000 Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm from Spain and I'm tring to get Kermit for Linux. Does anybody could send me it. (*.rpm) ************************************************************************* * Francesc Esplugas i Martí * * * si05772@salleurl.edu * Red Hat Linux 5.2 Kernel 2.0.36 * * frankie@lettera.net * Linux Registered User # 102253-84867 * * * * ************************************************************************* From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 26 07:30:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA20709 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA14976 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:06:30 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Steve Coleman Subject: Kermit on Linux - termcap error. Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:06:24 +0000 Message-ID: <36D68E40.97AEA1FD@apageltd.demon.co.uk> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu When running kermit on red hat linux (new to me) I get the following : $ ./kermit "/etc/termcap", line 10445: col 0: terminal 'v3220', //.terminfo: non-existant or permission denied (errno 2) If I go superuser then it seems to work ok. Anybody any ideas? Steve. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 26 10:00:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17092 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA22305 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:35:54 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit on Linux - termcap error. Date: 26 Feb 1999 14:35:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7b6bg7$lov$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36D68E40.97AEA1FD@apageltd.demon.co.uk>, Steve Coleman wrote: : When running kermit on red hat linux (new to me) I get the following : : : $ ./kermit : "/etc/termcap", line 10445: col 0: terminal 'v3220', //.terminfo: : non-existant or permission denied (errno 2) : : If I go superuser then it seems to work ok. Anybody any ideas? : Please pick up C-Kermit 7.0 Beta and try it. Before testing, read the installation instructions, particularly Section 6 of ckuins.txt. If you have any problems with the new version, please report them to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 26 10:00:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17097 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA22118 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:33:52 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit for Linux Date: 26 Feb 1999 14:33:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7b6bcb$lj4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , Frankie wrote: : : Hi, I'm from Spain and I'm tring to get Kermit for Linux. Does anybody : could send me it. (*.rpm) : Short answer: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html In more detail: C-Kermit 6.0 is the current version of Kermit for UNIX (including Linux). It is distributed in source-code form, and there is also a large selection of prebuilt binaries for many platforms. There are also install packages for Red Hat, Debian, and Slackware Linux distributions as well as for other several other kinds of UNIX. However, the C-Kermit 6.0 package files (RPM, Debian, etc) are no longer appropriate for recent Linux releases. Linux has changed significantly out from under C-Kermit 6.0 (which was released in 1996): curses libraries have been shuffled around, there is the new libc vs glibc issue, serial port access has changed, etc. We have addressed these issues in C-Kermit 7.0, which is presently in Beta test. So please pick up C-Kermit 7.0 Beta instead. It should build and work correctly on all Linux versions, including the most recent ones, as well as all other known UNIX platforms, plus Plan 9, VMS, and others. You can find it at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html There are, as yet, no package/install files (RPM, DEB, etc). Quick start: Get the cku195.tar.gz file, gunzip it, tar xvf cku195.tar, and then "make linux". The resulting "wermit" file is the C-Kermit 7.0 Beta executable. Report any problems back to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 26 12:30:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03149 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00945 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:24:45 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@97.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Kermit on Linux - termcap error. Date: 26 Feb 1999 17:23:59 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7b6lbf$j1c$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Steve Coleman (stevec@apageltd.demon.co.uk) wrote: : When running kermit on red hat linux (new to me) I get the following : : $ ./kermit : "/etc/termcap", line 10445: col 0: terminal 'v3220', //.terminfo: : non-existant or permission denied (errno 2) : If I go superuser then it seems to work ok. Anybody any ideas? The "superuser" part isn't something I recall. I'm not using Linux anymore, but the problem was that the .rpm for ckermit 6.0, available from columbia.edu, addressed terminfo libraries that were moved. The beta 7.0 kermit fixes that, but you have to compile your own. The old rpm might work if you cd /usr/share ln -s terminfo ../lib http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html for the new one. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 26 13:00:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12850 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02907 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:58:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit on Linux - termcap error. Date: 26 Feb 1999 17:57:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7b6nb6$2qo$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7b6lbf$j1c$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Steve Coleman (stevec@apageltd.demon.co.uk) wrote: : : When running kermit on red hat linux (new to me) I get the following : : : : $ ./kermit : : "/etc/termcap", line 10445: col 0: terminal 'v3220', //.terminfo: : : non-existant or permission denied (errno 2) : : : If I go superuser then it seems to work ok. Anybody any ideas? : : The "superuser" part isn't something I recall. I'm not using Linux : anymore, but the problem was that the .rpm for ckermit 6.0, available : from columbia.edu, addressed terminfo libraries that were moved. : Perhaps the old library is still there but lacks read permission? : The beta 7.0 kermit fixes that, but you have to compile your own. : The old rpm might work if you : cd /usr/share : ln -s terminfo ../lib : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html for the new one. : Right. This is rapidly becoming our most frequently asked question. I've updated the website to steer Linux users away from version 6.0. Thanks. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 26 14:00:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02063 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05101 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:38:24 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: vek@pharmnl.ohout.pharmapartners.nl (Villy Kruse) Subject: Re: Kermit on Linux - termcap error. Date: 26 Feb 1999 19:38:10 +0100 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Message-ID: <7b6pmi$vpd$1@pharmnl.ohout.pharmapartners.nl> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7b6lbf$j1c$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: > >The beta 7.0 kermit fixes that, but you have to compile your own. >The old rpm might work if you >cd /usr/share >ln -s terminfo ../lib > You would need to do that if you are running any old programs, i.e. linked with libc5 instead of glibc. This is not a kermit issue per se, but rather a side effect of that kermit binary being linked with libc5. The linux distrbutor realy should have included that symbolic link. Villy From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 26 15:00:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20152 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:00:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08628 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:47:20 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Daniel W. Levi" Subject: Stopping Kermit programmatically Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:48:38 -0500 Organization: gte.net Message-ID: <7b6soa$a1p$1@news-2.news.gte.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi We are running the K95 host as a background app on NT server. Kermit is launched by a native NT service. It starts and runs fine, but we're having trouble making it stop. We can post a WM_QUIT message to it, but kermit does not exit. Is this by design? I've also tried using the the console functions (GenerateConsoleCtrlEvent()), with no success. How can I signal an instance of K95 to exit? Thanks DanL From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 26 15:30:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29519 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09391 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:02:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Stopping Kermit programmatically Date: 26 Feb 1999 20:02:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7b6ukn$95c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7b6soa$a1p$1@news-2.news.gte.net>, Daniel W. Levi wrote: : Hi : : We are running the K95 host as a background app on NT server. Kermit is : launched by a native NT service. : : It starts and runs fine, but we're having trouble making it stop. : We can post a WM_QUIT message to it, but kermit does not exit. : : Is this by design? K95 is not a GUI app. So I don't know where the WM_QUIT message would be processed. : I've also tried using the the console functions : (GenerateConsoleCtrlEvent()), with no success. : How can I signal an instance of K95 to exit? If K95 receives a CTRL_CLOSE_EVENT it will shutdown. CTRL_C_EVENT and CTRL_BREAK_EVENT only interrupt the current command. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 26 19:01:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02924 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21929 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:54:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Christopher Mosley Subject: Re: Small mystery Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:54:06 GMT To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Christopher Mosley wrote: > Christopher Mosley wrote: >> Frank da Cruz wrote: >>> LOOKUP macro, used internally by DIAL, refers to) as \m(_dialfile). But since >>> this is a DOS filename, typically "C:\KERMIT\DIALUPS.TXT", the fact that it >>> contains backslashes might (should not, but might) cause some confusion. >>> What happens, when a failure occurs, if you type "echo \m(_dialfile)"? >>> - Frank >> I get C:\KERMIT\DIALUPS.TXT >> >> I discovered the dialing error occurs after a non-valid command is >> entered (the error message: "?word "some_non_valid_word" not useable here". >> Then when I try to dial, dialups.txt is not found even though I am in >> c:\kermit. >> "cd" , "cd .", or moving to another dir and back to c:\kermit corrects >> the problem. > this error only occurs when the (non-ambiguous) abbreviated forms of dial > are used, that is d and di, there seems to be no problem > with dia and dial. I have grown so used to just using just "d" > I didn't bother using anything longer. >> >> I discovered the dialing error occurs after a non-valid command is >> entered (the error message: "?word "some_non_valid_word" not useable here". >> Then when I try to dial, dialups.txt is not found even though I am in >> c:\kermit. >> "cd" , "cd .", or moving to another dir and back to c:\kermit corrects >> the problem. > this error only occurs when the (non-ambiguous) abbreviated forms of dial > are used, that is d and di, there seems to be no problem > with dia and dial. I have grown so used to just using just "d" > I didn't bother using anything longer. Though this bug? is trivial, could someone confirm that it exists? 1. Deliberately enter an invalid command on the mskermit command line. 2. dial a number using the abbreviated forms of dial "d" or "di" Do you get error message: dialing script not found? (I made a mistake, the message is "dialing script not found" not "dialing dir not found"). Does using cd correct the problem: let you dial using just "d" or "di". Does using "dia" or "dial" avoid the problem. Thanks From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 26 20:01:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05257 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA25506 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:53:52 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@97.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Kermit on Linux - termcap error. Date: 26 Feb 1999 23:01:43 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7b794n$n4b$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Villy Kruse (vek@pharmnl.ohout.pharmapartners.nl) wrote: : The linux distrbutor realy should have included that symbolic link. I believe Frank's .sig used to have a line about "Linux standards, pick whichever one you like". I am amazed that they didn't include the symbolic link. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Feb 26 20:01:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05261 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA25670 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:56:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Jerold Burrow" Subject: (Novell ODI + BOOTP + MS-Kermit) * MyBossOnMyBack = Headache Date: 27 Feb 1999 00:56:10 GMT Organization: CTS Network Services Message-ID: <01be61eb$ad9d5250$0401a8c0@proxy> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hello. I am trying to use MS-Kermit as a DOS based telnet program for use w/286, 386, and 486 PCs. I would like the use of BOOTP or if possible DHCP for assigning IP addresses. From what I have heard, there is a way to do this over Novell's ODI driver. Could anyone provide a NET.CFG and MSKERMIT.INI that would do this? I am reading 'Using MS-Kermit', but am getting nowhere. Any thoughs would be appreciated. -- Jerold Burrow Systems Administrator Directions In Research, Inc. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Feb 27 09:31:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14209 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00848 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:07:20 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: (Novell ODI + BOOTP + MS-Kermit) * MyBossOnMyBack = Headache Message-ID: Date: 26 Feb 99 19:42:21 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <01be61eb$ad9d5250$0401a8c0@proxy>, "Jerold Burrow" writes: > Hello. > > I am trying to use MS-Kermit as a DOS based telnet program for use w/286, > 386, and 486 PCs. I would like the use of BOOTP or if possible DHCP for > assigning IP addresses. From what I have heard, there is a way to do this > over Novell's ODI driver. Could anyone provide a NET.CFG and MSKERMIT.INI > that would do this? I am reading 'Using MS-Kermit', but am getting > nowhere. > > Any thoughs would be appreciated. > > > -- > Jerold Burrow > Systems Administrator > Directions In Research, Inc. --------- The MS-DOS Kermit command controlling this is SET TCP/IP ADDRESS item, where a question mark for "item" will display choices such as an IP number, BOOTP, DHCP, RARP, and Telebit-PPP. The distribution kit for MSK contains examples of many setup files, including for ODI. Please see the Kermit distribution area on Columbia for the files. Note that beta 2 of MSK v3.16 is the preferred choice, which may be used with the MSK v3.15 documentation and support files. Note that choosing DHCP will also work fine with a BOOTP only server. Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Feb 27 13:01:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05106 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10436 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 12:38:07 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Luc De Cock Subject: Re: (Novell ODI + BOOTP + MS-Kermit) * MyBossOnMyBack = Headache Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:36:26 +0100 Organization: EUnet Belgium, Leuven, Belgium Message-ID: <36D82D1A.63C711C0@ping.be> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Jerold Burrow wrote: > Hello. > > I am trying to use MS-Kermit as a DOS based telnet program for use w/286, > 386, and 486 PCs. I would like the use of BOOTP or if possible DHCP for > assigning IP addresses. From what I have heard, there is a way to do this > over Novell's ODI driver. Could anyone provide a NET.CFG and MSKERMIT.INI > that would do this? I am reading 'Using MS-Kermit', but am getting > nowhere. > > Any thoughs would be appreciated. > > -- > Jerold Burrow > Systems Administrator > Directions In Research, Inc. The Waterloo TCP package for DOS has a TSR telnet server. WatTCP uses packet drivers and has build in support for BOOTP. Check out http://www.supro.com/wattcp/wattcp.html Luc. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 28 09:31:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17837 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09600 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:20:16 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: lsystemsd@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Lygo Systems") Subject: MS-Kermit /C-Kermit screen appearance Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:18:17 GMT To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I'm using MS-Kermit as a terminal emulator and it works just fine for the price. But I am now hoping to improve the look and feel and feel of the applications that I am writing. Question 1. Does anyone know of a way to save the current screen, go off and paint another screen and then be able to instantly refresh the first screen? Better still, is there a way to save several screens? More expensive emulators and many dumb terminals have this capability. I can't see any escape sequences in the manual, although there is manual back-paging. Are there any DOS or Linux utilities that can be called as a macro from Kermit without Kermit disrupting the function? Question 2. On a similar theme, is there a way to load onto the screen a screen "form" held on the local system? Although we are using TCP/IP, being able to retrieve the new screen from a local ramdisk via an escape sequence or macro would, I have thought, been faster. Question 3. Is there a way, using MS-Kermit or C-Kermit on Linux, to improve the "green screen" appearance? What I'm hoping for is something that cosmetically looks more like a GUI (sculpted boxes, different fonts, graphic images, backgrounds, etc), all by the use of escape sequences and/or macros. But I don't want to use a pointing device - this is for use in a retail environment. Obviously there is nothing in Kermit itself, but can it be "wrapped" in some cosmetic front end that can be controlled easily by the application? Question 4. Is it bad netiquette to ask so many questions in one message? If so, I apologise most profusely. Thanks in anticipation. Bill. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Feb 28 12:01:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02775 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA16178 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 11:31:56 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit /C-Kermit screen appearance Message-ID: <7ET5CdY3ddfZ@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Feb 99 09:27:29 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , lsystemsd@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Lygo Systems") writes: > I'm using MS-Kermit as a terminal emulator and it works just fine for the > price. But I am now hoping to improve the look and feel and feel of the > applications that I am writing. > > Question 1. > Does anyone know of a way to save the current screen, go off and paint > another screen and then be able to instantly refresh the first screen? > Better still, is there a way to save several screens? More expensive > emulators and many dumb terminals have this capability. I can't see any > escape sequences in the manual, although there is manual back-paging. Are > there any DOS or Linux utilities that can be called as a macro from Kermit > without Kermit disrupting the function? This begs the question of locus of control. When you are running MSK it seems to be in terminal emulation mode (CONNECT), and that does mean actions come from two sources: the user's keyboard (most info goes out the wire) and the remote host (which thinks this end is a VT320 terminal or similar). From your description you seem to be wanting a Point of Sale screen painting system with comms. That can be done, but the remote host would be responsible for triggering actions and painting screens. > Question 2. > On a similar theme, is there a way to load onto the screen a screen "form" > held on the local system? Although we are using TCP/IP, being able to > retrieve the new screen from a local ramdisk via an escape sequence or > macro would, I have thought, been faster. > A full text screen takes 4KB to represent, lots less if only some characters are written to a uniform background. That takes about four Ethernet packets, as fast as anything to the human eye. There is no user-designed screen save/fetch facility in MSK at this time. Such things are not part of terminal emulation. > Question 3. > Is there a way, using MS-Kermit or C-Kermit on Linux, to improve the > "green screen" appearance? What I'm hoping for is something that > cosmetically looks more like a GUI (sculpted boxes, different fonts, > graphic images, backgrounds, etc), all by the use of escape sequences > and/or macros. But I don't want to use a pointing device - this is for > use in a retail environment. Obviously there is nothing in Kermit itself, > but can it be "wrapped" in some cosmetic front end that can be controlled > easily by the application? Text mode uses the system video Bios for fonts and so on. To create special effects such as you describe requires full graphics mode with all the bulk that goes with it. MSK has a lot of graphics mode support for Tektronix and Data General terminal kinds, and one can write to those specs to create cosmetically advanced "text" screens. But the results won't be VT320 emulation and the host would have to send the drawing commands. The end result is screen updates are slower than text mode, but basically ok on today's equipment. Please keep in mind that retaining fonts and so on locally runs into severe memory constraint problems, there being only about 600KB to play with in real mode before MSK loads (which takes 300KB). > Question 4. > Is it bad netiquette to ask so many questions in one message? If so, I > apologise most profusely. No need; it is a good idea to get everything laid out at once. Joe D. > Thanks in anticipation. > Bill. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 1 13:32:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12302 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA20618 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:20:36 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jjk@la.la.land (Jan Just Keijser) Subject: Re: (Novell ODI + BOOTP + MS-Kermit) * MyBossOnMyBack = Headache Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 18:17:32 GMT Organization: Logica Inc Message-ID: <7beljs$g0d@romeo.logica.co.uk> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <01be61eb$ad9d5250$0401a8c0@proxy>, "Jerold Burrow" wrote: >Hello. > >I am trying to use MS-Kermit as a DOS based telnet program for use w/286, >386, and 486 PCs. I would like the use of BOOTP or if possible DHCP for >assigning IP addresses. From what I have heard, there is a way to do this >over Novell's ODI driver. Could anyone provide a NET.CFG and MSKERMIT.INI >that would do this? I am reading 'Using MS-Kermit', but am getting >nowhere. > Try setting the IP address to 0.0.0.0 in the NET.CFG file: PROTOCOL TCPIP IP Address 0.0.0.0 which should cause the Novell TCP/IP layer to use DHCP, BOOTP or RARP in that order. HTH, JJ ---------------------------------------------------------- *NOTE* My Email return address is not correct in order to avoid mass mailings... These are the correct addresses (but with dashes between all letters): Jan Just (JJ) Keijser Unix Support Engineer / Configuration Manager Logica BV - The Netherlands SMTP: K-e-i-j-s-e-r-J-J-@-l-o-g-i-c-a-.-c-o-m Just to confuse some of those junkmailers: jjk@la.la.land In a world without fences, who needs Gates? My views are my own... flames > /dev/null 2>&1 ---------------------------------------------------------- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 1 14:32:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02673 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:32:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA22962 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:02:29 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: (Novell ODI + BOOTP + MS-Kermit) * MyBossOnMyBack = Headache Message-ID: Date: 1 Mar 99 11:52:54 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7beljs$g0d@romeo.logica.co.uk>, jjk@la.la.land (Jan Just Keijser) writes: > In article <01be61eb$ad9d5250$0401a8c0@proxy>, "Jerold Burrow" > wrote: >>Hello. >> >>I am trying to use MS-Kermit as a DOS based telnet program for use w/286, >>386, and 486 PCs. I would like the use of BOOTP or if possible DHCP for >>assigning IP addresses. From what I have heard, there is a way to do this >>over Novell's ODI driver. Could anyone provide a NET.CFG and MSKERMIT.INI >>that would do this? I am reading 'Using MS-Kermit', but am getting >>nowhere. >> > > Try setting the IP address to 0.0.0.0 in the NET.CFG file: > PROTOCOL TCPIP > IP Address 0.0.0.0 > > which should cause the Novell TCP/IP layer to use DHCP, BOOTP or RARP in that > order. --------- Which misses the point entirely. The person is not using Novell's real mode TCP/IP stack; they are using MS-DOS Kermit with its own TCP/IP stack. Please see my previous message on details. Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 1 17:32:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00419 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04061 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:20:21 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: kiffney@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: (Novell ODI + BOOTP + MS-Kermit) * MyBossOnMyBack = Headache Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:14:58 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7bf3gp$9tu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu [posted and mailed] You can do this - read the NETWORKS.TXT readme with the kermit distribution. Basically you add lines to your network driver entry in net.cfg that look like this: protocol KERMIT bind #1 link driver 3c5x9 [or whatever] Protocol IPX 8137 Ethernet_II Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II then kermit can use your existing lsl, net driver, etc. DON'T try to load novell's tcpip or Kermit's stack will not work. BOOTP and DHCP are advertised to then work (about as well as BOOTP and DHCP ever work, anyway) "Jerold Burrow" wrote: > Hello. > > I am trying to use MS-Kermit as a DOS based telnet program for use w/286, > 386, and 486 PCs. I would like the use of BOOTP or if possible DHCP for > assigning IP addresses. From what I have heard, there is a way to do this > over Novell's ODI driver. Could anyone provide a NET.CFG and MSKERMIT.INI > that would do this? I am reading 'Using MS-Kermit', but am getting > nowhere. > > Any thoughs would be appreciated. > > -- > Jerold Burrow > Systems Administrator > Directions In Research, Inc. > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 2 13:02:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05750 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03100 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:49:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: David Stow Subject: ODI Link Support Layer Date: 2 Mar 1999 17:45:29 GMT Organization: Vancouver CommunityNet Message-ID: <7bh83p$11q$1@sylvester.vcn.bc.ca> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Is there a publicly available program that can provide the Link Support Layer for ODI? I use MS-Kermit or NCSA Telnet/FTP to transfer files between DOS workstations that have Ethernet cards and packet drivers. I'd like to add some Arcnet stations that have SMC PC500 (long board) cards, but I can only find ODI drivers for the cards. Thanks, David Stow From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 2 18:03:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07969 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19575 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:02:34 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: ODI Link Support Layer Message-ID: <+sJ0Q3uJSLcS@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Mar 99 13:53:16 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7bh83p$11q$1@sylvester.vcn.bc.ca>, David Stow writes: > Is there a publicly available program that can provide the Link Support > Layer for ODI? I use MS-Kermit or NCSA Telnet/FTP to transfer files > between DOS workstations that have Ethernet cards and packet drivers. > I'd like to add some Arcnet stations that have SMC PC500 (long board) > cards, but I can only find ODI drivers for the cards. > > Thanks, > David Stow -------- MS-DOS Kermit is an ODI native speaker. Thus you can use it over Arcnet boards which have an ODI driver. Novell supplies such a driver, named RXNET. The MSK docs ought to have advice on setting up net.cfg for them. Speaking formally, the ODI Link Support Layer, is named LSL, a part of the ODI material. Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 2 18:03:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07999 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19532 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:00:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: apatnaik@aircom.com Subject: question on kermit script Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:48:50 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7bhpsf$l17$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am attempting to write a kermit script that will initialize a modem, receive a call, wait for RING tone, and then output all the DTMF digits received. Note that modem is only expected to receive DTMF digits from an inbound call and not from another modem. It expects a digit of 9, in this case. I have been using the C-Kermit 6.0 book to build the commands. I have this script so far.. But all my INPUT commands fail... I tried this using interactive kermit and my commands worked. There is something about INPUT, MINPUT that is wrong. Appreciate any HELP!!! THANKS!! define TONERECEIVER { set modem type multitech set line /dev/ttya set speed 2400 set carrier-watch off ;set input echo on output connect\13 output at&fm0\13 clear input minput 20 OK {CONNECT} switch \v(minput) { :0, echo {No response }, break :1, echo {Succeeded in getting OK}, break :2, echo {Found CONNECT}, break :default, echo {Unexpected response: \v(input) } } clear input output ats0=0\13 minput 20 OK {CONNECT} switch \v(minput) { :0, echo {No response }, break :1, echo {Succeeded in getting OK WAIT FOR RING}, break :2, echo {Found CONNECT}, break :default, echo {Unexpected response: \v(input) } } clear input minput 20 RING {CONNECT} switch \v(minput) { :0, echo {No response }, break :1, echo {Succeeded in getting RING}, break :2, echo {Found CONNECT}, break :default, echo {Unexpected response: \v(input) } } clear input output ath1\13 minput 20 OK {CONNECT} switch \v(minput) { :0, echo {No response }, break :1, echo {Succeeded in getting OK WAIT FOR DIGIT 9}, break :2, echo {Found CONNECT}, break :default, echo {Unexpected response: \v(input) } } clear input output at>dt1\13 minput 20 DTMF9 {CONNECT} switch \v(minput) { :0, echo {No response }, break :1, echo {Succeeded in getting DTMF9}, break :2, echo {Found CONNECT}, break :default, echo {Unexpected response: \v(input) } } } -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 2 18:33:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16230 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA20167 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:10:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: question on kermit script Date: 2 Mar 1999 23:10:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7bhr4o$jm3$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7bhpsf$l17$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : I am attempting to write a kermit script that will initialize a modem, : receive a call, wait for RING tone, and then output all the DTMF digits : received. Note that modem is only expected to receive DTMF digits from an : inbound call and not from another modem. It expects a digit of 9, in this : case. : : I have been using the C-Kermit 6.0 book to build the commands. : : I have this script so far.. But all my INPUT commands fail... : I tried this using interactive kermit and my commands worked. There is : something about INPUT, MINPUT that is wrong. Appreciate any HELP!!! THANKS!! : : define TONERECEIVER { : set modem type multitech : set line /dev/ttya : What if this fails? You need an IF FAIL clause here. Otherwise your script will plow ahead even though it doesn't have the device open. : set speed 2400 : set carrier-watch off : ;set input echo on : output connect\13 : What is this? Why are you sending "connect" and carriage return to the modem? : output at&fm0\13 : clear input : minput 20 OK {CONNECT} : switch \v(minput) { : :0, echo {No response }, break : :1, echo {Succeeded in getting OK}, break : :2, echo {Found CONNECT}, break : :default, echo {Unexpected response: \v(input) } : } : This looks OK, but why are you looking for "CONNECT"? Is it supposed to be the echo of the "connect" string that you sent? Or is it because the modem might already be in answer mode even though you haven't sent it the ATS0=1 command yet? Well, I don't see anything obviously wrong with the script, except as noted. The most common cause of "it works when I do it by hand but it doesn't work when I run the script" is the inclusion of a CONNECT command in the script, but yours doesn't have one. But I also don't see how you are invoking the invoking the script -- maybe the procedure that is calling the TONERECEIVER macro is entering CONNECT mode? - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 2 20:33:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10548 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA26385 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:07:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "ÑØßØÐ¥" Subject: Looking for an ActiveX Kermit emulator Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:26:20 -0600 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Message-ID: <7bhprj$epb$2@remarQ.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for an ActiveX plug-in control which will allow me to emulate the Kermit terminal program from IE4. If anyone knows of such a item on the market, please email me at kellys@micgi.com. thanks. --Kelly From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 3 09:33:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28188 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:33:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA23831 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:19:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Looking for an ActiveX Kermit emulator Date: 3 Mar 1999 14:18:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7bjgcj$n8j$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7bhprj$epb$2@remarQ.com>, ÑØßØÐ¥ wrote: : I'm looking for an ActiveX plug-in control which will allow me to emulate : the Kermit terminal program from IE4. If anyone knows of such a item on the : market, please email me at kellys@micgi.com. : Many software makers ask us for Kermit software in special forms that can be embedded in their applications, to provide file transfer or other communications functions to their customers. But each software maker wants something different: . Connection establishment but no data transfer . Data transfer using pre-existing connection . Connection establishment and data transfer . File transfer only without "bells and whistles" . Scripting but not terminal emulation . Serial communication but not networking . Networking but not serial communications . Binary file transfer but not text . Greek character-set conversion but not Cyrillic . Access to shell escapes allowed . Access to shell escapes forbidden . A pretty display . No display at all and on and on. And they desire this functionality to be packaged as a link library for this or that platform, a DLL, an OCX, a VBX, an Active X control, a Delphi component, a Netscape Plugin, a Java object, etc etc etc. The combinations of functionality and interface are many, and there is no way we can satisfy them without warehouses full of programmers. Consequently we recommend that software makers who wish to embed Kermit functionality in their products (communications, scripting, file transfer, terminal emulation, character-set translation, etc) license and use the programs we already have available. The "API" (Application Program Interface) *is* the command language. It is more fully expressive, precise, comprehensive, and *portable* than any other API that could be designed (look at all the commands in C-Kermit or MS-DOS Kermit or Kermit 95; each one is there for a reason). As new releases of the Kermit program come out, your product can be easily updated and will benefit from all the new features, fixes, and speedups automatically. The recommended method of embedding Kermit in another application is via command-line invocation. The Kermit command line can contain a selection of simple commands, and it can also refer to more complex command files or scripts composed by your application. Kermit can be configured to create any kind of log you need, and it can return the status of its operations in various ways that can be used by your application. When you license Kermit software for embedding in your application, we are happy to work with you to ensure it meets your needs. And if Kermit protocol transfers are important to you, then it should also be important to you to come to the source -- we developed the protocol, we continue to improve it, we believe in it, and we stand behind it. Following this advice allows each party to concentrate on what they are good at, rather than unnecessarily duplicating efforts and "reinventing the wheel". You concentrate on your application; we'll do the communications. We support our software, you support yours, everybody is happy. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 3 10:33:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14977 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27494 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:27:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: mjs@darkstar.frop.org (digs) Subject: din8 > db9 [macpc] Date: 3 Mar 1999 16:18:20 GMT Organization: darkstar Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi- first let me say kermit -is- the utility to have in any good toolbox.. second i'am over the newbie stage but not by far. ok..last week end i bought a serial card & installed it configured the card *via* setserial /went without a hitch/ now i have linux on 3 other boxes thanks to mskermit. my problem is i have a macintosh classic that i would like to add to my homebrew network i have kermit installed on the mac & the *pc* nullmodem cable is ready, does anyone know where i can get an adapter to mate a din8pin to db9pin? i dont mind building it myself if thats the case but i cant find any info.. might anyone have a layman's pinout guide? btw...iksd=a darn good idea -- later on, digs work hard & make your mother proud. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQBNAzb5HYwAAAECAKvqxrE4bHNSjVIFx1ayaaDaASP78KB4pboRc0eRkEiFKRxR wmc0EKPh5NSznSkwA2pXeTIEtzy7kwgpUJI3Vw0ABRG0GWRpZ3MgPG1qc0BudHMt b25saW5lLm5ldD6JAFUDBRA2+R2ikwgpUJI3Vw0BAbUrAf9zioAei7CtUlDfSf0f H+XPVjJ9t/eJBT2XWI17+tkJSRo6QNPGrWJ3dXYxpNWCieHcpf5kDNPCGhwQ/2RJ /+nW =CkmX -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 3 11:03:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23402 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29155 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:00:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Daniel W. Levi" Subject: Re: Stopping Kermit programmatically Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:43:40 -0500 Organization: gte.net Message-ID: <7bjljg$6cf$1@news-1.news.gte.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Ok, i figured it out (well, partly) Under NT, if you post a WM_CLOSE to a console app, the system generates a CTRL_CLOSE_EVENT. This works for K95. Don't know if this works on 95. DanL From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 3 11:03:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23442 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28968 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:55:45 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: din8 > db9 [macpc] Date: 3 Mar 1999 15:55:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7bjm1v$s95$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , digs wrote: : first let me say kermit -is- the utility to have in any good toolbox.. : second i'am over the newbie stage but not by far. : ok..last week end i bought a serial card & installed it configured the card : *via* setserial /went without a hitch/ now i have linux on 3 other boxes : thanks to mskermit. : : my problem is i have a macintosh classic that i would like to add to my : homebrew network : : i have kermit installed on the mac & the *pc* nullmodem cable is ready, : does anyone know where i can get an adapter to mate a din8pin to db9pin? : i dont mind building it myself if thats the case but i cant find any info.. : might anyone have a layman's pinout guide? : btw...iksd=a darn good idea : Thanks! The standard advice is to use a regular modem cable on each computer. The modem end of such a cable should be a male DB-25 connector. Now buy a Female-to-Female Null Modem Adaptor (aka Modem Eliminator) at your local doo-dad store and plug each DB-25 into one end of it. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 3 12:03:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11898 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01557 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:48:47 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Stopping Kermit programmatically Date: 3 Mar 1999 16:48:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7bjp5d$1gi$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7bjljg$6cf$1@news-1.news.gte.net>, Daniel W. Levi wrote: : Ok, i figured it out (well, partly) : : Under NT, if you post a WM_CLOSE to a console app, the system generates a : CTRL_CLOSE_EVENT. This works for K95. : : Don't know if this works on 95. I doubt it. The Microsoft Knowledgebase contains several articles detailing the failures of Console mode to deliver CTRL_ events. You said in a previous posting that you were starting K95 from a service but on Win9x K95 cannot be run as a service because there is no concept of a service. Please send e-mail to kermit-support@columbia.edu describing exactly what it is that you are doing and trying to accomplish. There might be a better way. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 4 16:03:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10683 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA27422 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:41:29 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Maxine E. Sarjeant" Subject: Permission denied message Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:09:49 -0500 Organization: ACS Government Solutions Group, Inc. Message-ID: <36DEE88D.E545A3F8@earthlink.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu When I try to set line in kermit for Unix, I get a permission denied error message. Currently the permissions for the device (/dev/cua/0) are "600 uucp uucp". Could someone let me know what the correct permissions should be for the device that I am using to kermit out of? Thanks. ============================================ work: btimes@uis.doleta.gov, aim: max1nes home: maxines@earthlink.net, aim: mesarjeant homepage: http://home.earthlink.net/~maxines ============================================ From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 4 16:03:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10688 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA27910 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:51:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Permission denied message Date: 4 Mar 1999 20:51:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7bmro4$r84$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36DEE88D.E545A3F8@earthlink.net>, Maxine E. Sarjeant wrote: : When I try to set line in kermit for Unix, I get a permission denied : error message. Currently the permissions for the device (/dev/cua/0) : are "600 uucp uucp". Could someone let me know what the correct : permissions should be for the device that I am using to kermit out of? : C-Kermit must be installed with the same owner, group, and permissions as your other dialout programs -- cu, tip, uucp, minicom, seyon, etc. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 5 16:34:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20099 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29584 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:10:54 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: nmr103@my-dejanews.com Subject: running kermit from command line question Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:05:03 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7bpgto$c6n$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu We're using the following command to suck data off of a surface meteorological sensor we have installed on /dev/term/b, and we have kermit installed on solaris x86: kermit -l /dev/term/b -C "output \13avg\13, connect /quietly" > output.file This is working *great*, with one exception... the process is hanging. We feel like we should send some sort of break sequence after the \13avg\13 command we're sending to our device, but we've tried all sorts of permutations and combinations of \28, \c, \b, \B, and so forth. We've tried writing little wrapper scripts that kill the kermit process, but they don't work, and were serious kluges to begin with. Does anyone know how we can tack on a break sequence to the output command we're sending to our device, or otherwise, a switch to the command line command that tells kermit to disconnect and quit after about 5 seconds? Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated. Nicole ===================================================== * Nicole Radziwill * * NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory * * GPS-IPW Project -- http://ipwdev.fsl.noaa.gov * * * * NOAA, R/E/FS3 * * 303-497-6832 (Voice) 325 Broadway * * 303-497-6014 (Fax) Boulder, CO 80303 * ===================================================== -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 5 16:34:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20123 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA00022 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:19:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: running kermit from command line question Date: 5 Mar 1999 21:19:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7bphob$j$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7bpgto$c6n$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : We're using the following command to suck data off of a surface : meteorological sensor we have installed on /dev/term/b, and we have kermit.. : Which version? : ...installed on solaris x86: : : kermit -l /dev/term/b -C "output \13avg\13, connect /quietly" > output.file : : This is working *great*, with one exception... the process is hanging. : Because you didn't specify an completion criterion. So it just goes into CONNECT mode and stays there forever. : We : feel like we should send some sort of break sequence after the \13avg\13 : command we're sending to our device, but we've tried all sorts of : permutations and combinations of \28, \c, \b, \B, and so forth. We've tried : writing little wrapper scripts that kill the kermit process, but they don't : work, and were serious kluges to begin with. : : Does anyone know how we can tack on a break sequence to the output command : we're sending to our device, or otherwise, a switch to the command line : command that tells kermit to disconnect and quit after about 5 seconds? : The real way to do this is to write a script (see Chapters 17-19 of the manual) that does what you would do if you collected this data by hand, substituting OUTPUT, INPUT, and IF FAIL commands for the CONNECT command and your eyes, fingers, and brain. If you know when it should terminate, you can make the script terminate under the same conditions. If there is no clear "end of data" pattern from the device, you can make it terminate after a given amount of time, e.g.: set line /dev/term/b if fail set speed output \13avg\13 input 60 xxxx exit In this example we just soak up whatever comes in for 60 seconds (assuming "xxx" will never come) and then exit. The data is in the session log. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 6 13:04:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29476 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:04:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA28048 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:40:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Tim Hedger Subject: Screen Configuration Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 17:37:54 +0000 Organization: WestonPark Message-ID: <36E167F2.F4E553FA@globalnet.co.uk> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu --------------463D3601F42354A1D4B5BDFA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I start Kermit (under Redhat Linux 5.2), it complains about not being able to recognise my terminal type - I've tried all the obvious terminal types - which ones can I use? Or can I get it to recognise xterm? This is the output I get: Warning: terminal type unknown: "xterm" Fullscreen file transfer display disabled. Executing /etc/kermit/ckermit.ini for UNIX ... Sorry, terminal type unknown: "xterm" Executing /etc/kermit/ckermit.local.ini ... -- Tim Hedger --------------463D3601F42354A1D4B5BDFA Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I start Kermit (under Redhat Linux 5.2), it complains about not being able to recognise my terminal type - I've tried all the obvious terminal types - which ones can I use?  Or can I get it to recognise xterm?

This is the output I get:

Warning: terminal type unknown: "xterm"
Fullscreen file transfer display disabled.
Executing /etc/kermit/ckermit.ini for UNIX ...
Sorry, terminal type unknown: "xterm"
Executing /etc/kermit/ckermit.local.ini ...
 
  

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  --------------463D3601F42354A1D4B5BDFA-- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 6 13:04:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29481 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA28742 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:55:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Screen Configuration Date: 6 Mar 1999 17:55:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7brq5r$s23$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36E167F2.F4E553FA@globalnet.co.uk>, Tim Hedger wrote: : When I start Kermit (under Redhat Linux 5.2), it complains about not : being able to recognise my terminal type - I've tried all the obvious : terminal types - which ones can I use? Or can I get it to recognise : xterm? This is the output I get: : : Warning: terminal type unknown: "xterm" : Fullscreen file transfer display disabled. : Executing /etc/kermit/ckermit.ini for UNIX ... : Sorry, terminal type unknown: "xterm" : Executing /etc/kermit/ckermit.local.ini ... : At startup, C-Kermit calls getenv("TERM") to find out your terminal type. Then it calls tgetent() on the result to make sure it can use the curses library, since if you try to initialize curses with an unknown terminal type, it can halt the application. However in your case, tgetent() says it never heard of "xterm". With all the confusion amongst Linux versions and packages over the [n]curses, terminfo, and termcap libraries (not to mention libc vs glibc), I'm not surprised, but there's not much I can do about it. It works everywhere else. It's a Linux configuration problem. "man tgetent" for further info. Hmmm, well I just tried that on RH 5.2 and there is no man entry. Nor is there an "info tgetent" entry. In any case, if there is some "new way" of determining in advance if it's safe to initialize curses in Linux, I'd like to hear about it. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 6 18:34:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20204 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 18:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14509 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 18:18:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Allan Adler Subject: kermit messages Date: 06 Mar 1999 18:14:25 -0500 Organization: MIT Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I am running kermit on a 80486 under RedHat 5.1 Linux. In downloading files, I frequently get messages about input overruns. I gather that this is a correctable error since the integrity of the file seems uncompromised after the file is downloaded. Today I started getting a new message in addition to the overrun message. It is: ll_rw_block: device 03:02: only 1024-char blocks implemented (4096) Again, it doesn't seem to have compromised the integrity of the file transferred. However, if these messages indicate that I should be doing something differently I would like to know about it. It would also be nice to know what they mean; I'm clueless. The file that gave the new message was a compressed tar file. When I left kermit and tried to uncompress the file, I got the same message: ll_rw_block: device 03:02: only 1024-char blocks implemented (4096) So maybe something else is going on, not specifically involving kermit. Ignorantly, Allan Adler ara@altdorf.ai.mit.edu From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 6 18:34:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20208 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 18:34:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA15158 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 18:31:29 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: kermit messages Date: 6 Mar 1999 23:31:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7bsdsg$epk$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , Allan Adler wrote: : : I am running kermit on a 80486 under RedHat 5.1 Linux. In downloading : files, I frequently get messages about input overruns. I gather that : this is a correctable error since the integrity of the file seems : uncompromised after the file is downloaded. : This means either: (a) You do not have an adequate flow-control method enabled between C-Kermit and the modem. If, however, you are using C-Kermit 6.0 or later with a modern modem, and following the instructions for dialing, then Kermit should be choosing RTS/CTS by default, and also setting it in the modem. Or: (b) Your serial port is an unbuffered kind (8250, 16450, etc) rather than a buffered one, in which case the Linux device driver itself loses characters when its attempt to flow control the modem are not fast enough. Or: (c) You have interrupt conflicts in your PC configuration. The Kermit protocol is designed to correct errors like this, and it's doing its job in your case. : Today I started getting : a new message in addition to the overrun message. It is: : : ll_rw_block: device 03:02: only 1024-char blocks implemented (4096) : : Again, it doesn't seem to have compromised the integrity of the file : transferred. However, if these messages indicate that I should be : doing something differently I would like to know about it. It would : also be nice to know what they mean; I'm clueless. : : The file that gave the new message was a compressed tar file. When : I left kermit and tried to uncompress the file, I got the same : message: : : ll_rw_block: device 03:02: only 1024-char blocks implemented (4096) : : So maybe something else is going on, not specifically involving kermit. : Which version of C-Kermit are you using? Newer versions do bigger disk writes. Version 7.0 might try to write anywhere from 4K to 32K at a time. Evidently your disk device driver doesn't handle large writes "atomically" and therefore puts up a warning message to let you know this. But from what you said, it also appears to recover from them by breaking large writes up into smaller ones internally. In C-Kermit 7.0 you can control the size of the disk output buffer with: SET FILE OUTPUT { { BUFFERED, UNBUFFERED } [ size ], BLOCKING, NONBLOCKING } Lets you control the disk output buffer for incoming files. Buffered blocking writes are normal. Nonblocking writes might be faster on some systems but might also be risky, depending on the underlying file service. Unbuffered writes might be useful in critical applications to ensure that cached disk writes are not lost in a crash, but will probably also be slower. The optional size parameter after BUFFERED or UNBUFFERED lets you change the disk output buffer size; this might make a difference in performance. Please report results back to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 7 00:05:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA21255 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29977 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:57:14 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: mjs@darkstar.frop.org (digs) Subject: compilation muse Date: 7 Mar 1999 06:01:29 GMT Organization: darkstar Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi- just a wild shot in the dark, gnu readline + kermit any thoughts? -- later on, digs work hard & make your mother proud. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQBNAzb5HYwAAAECAKvqxrE4bHNSjVIFx1ayaaDaASP78KB4pboRc0eRkEiFKRxR wmc0EKPh5NSznSkwA2pXeTIEtzy7kwgpUJI3Vw0ABRG0GWRpZ3MgPG1qc0BudHMt b25saW5lLm5ldD6JAFUDBRA2+R2ikwgpUJI3Vw0BAbUrAf9zioAei7CtUlDfSf0f H+XPVjJ9t/eJBT2XWI17+tkJSRo6QNPGrWJ3dXYxpNWCieHcpf5kDNPCGhwQ/2RJ /+nW =CkmX -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 7 10:05:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18536 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA23709 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:36:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Igor Sobrado Delgado Subject: C-Kermit 7.0 and Solaris 2.5.1 (x86) Date: 7 Mar 1999 14:36:22 GMT Organization: Universidad de Oviedo Message-ID: <7bu2t6$fd5$1@sci.cpd.uniovi.es> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, Will be available C-Kermit 7.0 for Solaris 2.5.1 (Intel edition) as binary in future? I don't want to recompile C-Kermit from source code if it is possible to get a binary directly from developers. I can recompile it, but I prefer to get a binary for 2.5.1 x86. BTW: when will be available C-Kermit 7.0 as final release? Thanks in advance for any help, Igor. -- Igor Sobrado Delgado (SysOp at condmat03) Physics undergrad student E-mail: sobrado@condmat2.ciencias.uniovi.es University of Oviedo Asturias (SPAIN) System Manager of the Theoretical and Condensed Matter Physics Clusters From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 7 11:35:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07324 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29332 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:25:41 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0 and Solaris 2.5.1 (x86) Date: 7 Mar 1999 16:25:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7bu9a5$ski$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7bu2t6$fd5$1@sci.cpd.uniovi.es>, Igor Sobrado Delgado wrote: : Will be available C-Kermit 7.0 for Solaris 2.5.1 (Intel edition) as : binary in future? I don't want to recompile C-Kermit from source : code if it is possible to get a binary directly from developers. I : can recompile it, but I prefer to get a binary for 2.5.1 x86. : The way we get binaries for platforms we do not have in-house is for people like you to build them for us. We currently have Solaris Intel binaries for Solaris 2.6 and Solaris 7, but not Solaris 2.5.1. You will note that we currently have 106 binaries for C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.04, the rather large majority of which were contributed from outside. If you or anybody else can send in a C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.04 Intel binary for Solaris 2.5.1 (or Solaris 2.4 or earlier), or any other platform for which a binary is lacking, I'd appreciate it and will add it to the collection: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html : BTW: when will be available C-Kermit 7.0 as final release? : When Beta testing is complete. The more people test it and send in success or failure reports, the faster we can finish it. Hopefully Beta.05 will be ready for testing soon. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 7 11:35:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07326 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28997 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:17:46 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: compilation muse Date: 7 Mar 1999 16:17:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7bu8r9$sa2$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , digs wrote: : just a wild shot in the dark, : gnu readline + kermit : any thoughts? : GNU readline is its whole own world, and so is Kermit's command parser. Each one has features lacking in the other. Obviously lacking in Kermit's is any kind of editing except from the right: no EMACS, VI, VMS, DOS, or other editing styles for editing within the line, and no remapping of editing keys. But readline would not know how to expand Kermit variables or execute its macros, and probably would not be able to provide keyword or file lists on "?", at least not without significant effort. Also, C-Kermit has parsing primitives not only for keywords and filenames, but also numbers, dates and times, switches, directories, invisible synonyms, invisible non-unique special abbreviations, etc. It allows for comments, continuation, and block structure. I'm not sure how much of this readline could handle. Its filename parser can handle not only file or directory lists from a given directory, but also recursive lists. (Much of this applies to C-Kermit 7.0.) So yes, there would be some advantages to substituting readline() for Kermit's command parsing, but we would also lose features essential to both interactive use and to scripting. Of course this leads us to the next (frequently asked) question: why doesn't Kermit use Tcl or Expect or Python or Rexx, etc etc, for its scripting language? Because (a) Kermit predates all of those; (b) C-Kermit's source code is designed to be portable to any platform, and in fact runs not only on UNIX (all varieties) but also VMS, AOS/VS, Stratus VOS, OS-9, the Amiga, plus several others that might not be currently supported but have been at one time: the Macintosh, the Atari ST, etc. It does not require ANSI C (I'm not sure if readline does) nor, in fact, any particular library or system API underneath except its own. And (c) readline uses curses (or something like it) since it sends and reads terminal-specific escape sequences, and curses is not available universally. But mainly (d) the amount of effort required to integrate readline in a way that provides 100% backwards compatibility to millions of existing scripts on all the platforms where C-Kermit runs or could run is most likely not worth the benefits. We are frequently asked to provide hooks to external scripting languages, and in fact have done so in one case: for Rexx in Kermit 95 on OS/2. But each combination of external language and platform presents a unique set of problems. Other combinations are on our long, long, long list of possible future projects. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 7 12:05:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13643 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29911 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:38:16 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: news@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov Subject: cmsg cancel <7bths9$lfd$13165@starburst.uk.insnet.net> Message-ID: Organization: http://www.msfc.nasa.gov Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:32:55 GMT To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Canceled by news@news.msfc.nasa.gov From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 7 18:35:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22420 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:35:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19442 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:12:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0 on SCO platforms Date: 7 Mar 1999 23:12:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7bv154$ivg$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <19990307153548.I908@jpradley.jpr.com>, Jean-Pierre Radley wrote: : Frank da Cruz averred (on Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 04:57:52PM +0000): : | C-Kermit 7.0 was announced for Beta testing about a month ago: : | : | http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html : | : | It has been built so far on the following SCO platforms: : | : | SCO UNIX 3.2v4.2 : | ODT 2.0 : | OSR5.0.5 : | Unixware 2.1.3 : | Unixware 7.0.1 : | : | If anybody can try building it on any other SCO platforms, especially : | Xenix, and report back (and hopefully also send in a binary), I'd : | appreciate it. : : Xenix is an obsolete product -- why do you care about it? : Because we are the champions of the users of obsolete products :-) About once a week we are contacted by somebody running some unbelievably ancient platform who desparately needs to move files off it, and Kermit is their only hope. Anyway, didn't I a see a discussion about Xenix right here just last week? Evidently there are proponents of keeping it alive, and our goal is to keep C-Kermit available -- and even current -- for every imaginable platform, as crazy as it might seem in these days of $400 Pentiums. : But, if you really do care, post your message in comp.unix.xenix.sco.misc. : OK, done, thanks! - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 7 21:35:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22650 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA29384 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:31:45 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: David Stow Subject: two packet drivers on one machine? Date: 8 Mar 1999 02:31:04 GMT Organization: Vancouver CommunityNet Message-ID: <7bvcp8$i3g$1@sylvester.vcn.bc.ca> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Can MSKermit send information between two packet drivers on the same machine? Suppose I have computers A and B at one location, C and D at another, and a dialed PPP link between B and C. All four have ethernet cards, all have MSKermit but not NetWare or any other network program, and I have packet drivers for the cards and for the PPP link. Can I send a file from A to D using only these pieces? If this is possible, how would I set computers B and C to pass data from the card's packet driver to the modem's? Thanks, David Stow From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 8 03:05:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA25622 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 03:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA13958 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 02:40:14 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: vek@pharmnl.ohout.pharmapartners.nl (Villy Kruse) Subject: Re: kermit messages Date: 8 Mar 1999 08:39:35 +0100 Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Message-ID: <7bvurn$fto$1@pharmnl.ohout.pharmapartners.nl> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7bsdsg$epk$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article , >Allan Adler wrote: >: Today I started getting >: a new message in addition to the overrun message. It is: >: >: ll_rw_block: device 03:02: only 1024-char blocks implemented (4096) >: >: ................snip >: >Which version of C-Kermit are you using? Newer versions do bigger disk >writes. Version 7.0 might try to write anywhere from 4K to 32K at a time. >Evidently your disk device driver doesn't handle large writes "atomically" >and therefore puts up a warning message to let you know this. But from what >you said, it also appears to recover from them by breaking large writes up >into smaller ones internally. This messages (ll_rw_block: ..etc...) is totally unrelated to kermit. It could be related to some strange IDE disk drive being used as a swap device. Device 03:02 is translated into /dev/hda2 with the major and minor device numbers being 3 and 2 respectively. As long as we don't know how /dev/hda2 is used we cannot guess on the reason for the ll_rw_block message. Kermit writes of whatever block size goes to the file system which will do its magic before putting the data on the disk. Villy From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 8 10:35:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19917 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26520 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:32:14 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: two packet drivers on one machine? Message-ID: Date: 8 Mar 99 08:23:16 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7bvcp8$i3g$1@sylvester.vcn.bc.ca>, David Stow writes: > Can MSKermit send information between two packet drivers on the same > machine? Suppose I have computers A and B at one location, C and D at > another, and a dialed PPP link between B and C. All four have ethernet > cards, all have MSKermit but not NetWare or any other network program, > and I have packet drivers for the cards and for the PPP link. Can I > send a file from A to D using only these pieces? If this is possible, > how would I set computers B and C to pass data from the card's packet > driver to the modem's? > > Thanks, > David Stow ------------ You can have multiple Packet Drivers on a given machine, each talking to separate hardware of course. Each must be assigned to a different software interrupt. Just tell MSK which interrupt to use, via SET TCP PACKET-DRIVER-INTERRUPT number. How a Packet Driver deals with PPP and your modem is a matter for the maker of that piece of software, not for Kermit. Notice your leading question does not make much sense: DOS is single tasking and thus there are not two communications programs running at the same time on different Packet Drivers on the same machine. Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 8 11:35:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08996 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29318 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:26:02 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "McCluskey, Dermot (EXCHANGE:IRE07:GD13)" Subject: Re: Looking for an ActiveX Kermit emulator Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:12:22 +0000 Organization: Nortel Message-ID: <36E3F6E6.6FF59F1D@europem01.nt.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I am interested in this approach as well. This is the third or forth time that I have seen this standard reply from the Kermit guys and i dont think it answers the bloody question. If I buy Kermit95 will there be a library that I can call from my visual C++ application that will alow me to use the Kermit Protocal. Yes or no If I have to go command line why dont I just download the msdos verions for free. instead of paying 60 pounds for Kermit 95 in Ireland.. .. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 8 11:35:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09011 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29058 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:17:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@73.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Screen Configuration Date: 8 Mar 1999 16:17:07 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7c0t63$f0p$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Tim Hedger (hedger@globalnet.co.uk) wrote: : When I start Kermit (under Redhat Linux 5.2), it complains about not : being able to recognise my terminal type - I've tried all the obvious : terminal types - which ones can I use? Or can I get it to recognise : xterm? Assuming that you can use full screen programs, this looks identical to the problem introduced by RedHat with 5.1. They moved the curses library, and didn't update the .rpm that was supplied on columbia.edu. To fix: cd /usr/share; ln -s terminfo ../lib -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 8 12:05:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18397 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00232 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:37:44 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Looking for an ActiveX Kermit emulator Date: 8 Mar 1999 16:37:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7c0ucl$74$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36E3F6E6.6FF59F1D@europem01.nt.com>, McCluskey, Dermot (EXCHANGE:IRE07:GD13) wrote: : I am interested in this approach as well. This is the third or forth time : that I have seen this standard reply from the Kermit guys and i dont think : it answers the bloody question. If I buy Kermit95 will there be a library : that I can call from my visual C++ application that will alow me to use the : Kermit Protocal. Yes or no : No. But refer back to the oft-posted reply. Which kind of library would you want to have? That does exactly what? And how many person-months of labor do you think it would take to produce it, not to mention all the other library formats and combinations of functions that everybody else wants? How much is all that work worth to you? Probably not 1/10,000th of what it would cost us. If I'm wrong, let's talk. : If I have to go command line why dont I just download the msdos verions for : free, instead of paying 60 pounds for Kermit 95 in Ireland.. : Because MS-DOS Kermit can not be relied upon to work on all Windows 95/98/NT platforms: It doesn't interface with Winsock; it can't see Windows-only devices (and therefore can't use the modems on most recent-vintage PCs); it can't access long filenames, etc etc. (These are not shortcomings of MS-DOS Kermit -- they are consequences of the fact that it is a DOS program, not a Win-32 program.) In any case, if you wanted to incorporate MS-DOS Kermit in an application that you would be supplying to your customers or clients, you would still have to license it, just as would Kermit 95. Finally, don't assume that the lack of a Buzzword-1.0-Compliant interface between Kermit 95 and your application prevents you from incorporating it into your application. Talk to us directly if you want assistance in this area: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 8 15:06:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14445 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11138 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:02:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Igor Sobrado Delgado Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0 and Solaris 2.5.1 (x86) Date: 8 Mar 1999 19:49:24 GMT Organization: Universidad de Oviedo Message-ID: <7c19k4$5ru$1@sci.cpd.uniovi.es> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In comp.protocols.kermit.misc Frank da Cruz wrote: [...] > If you or anybody else can send in a C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.04 Intel binary > for Solaris 2.5.1 (or Solaris 2.4 or earlier), or any other platform for > which a binary is lacking, I'd appreciate it and will add it to the > collection: I can compile C-Kermit 7.0 for Solaris 2.5.1 Intel using gcc 2.7.2.3. It is not the best option for this operating system (I was looking for a precompiled binary made with a better gcc release) but I can send you a binary on a few days if you think it is a good option. BTW: I need to sent the binary or a complete package (.pkg file)? Thanks for your answer, Igor. -- Igor Sobrado Delgado (SysOp at condmat03) Physics undergrad student E-mail: sobrado@condmat2.ciencias.uniovi.es University of Oviedo Asturias (SPAIN) System Manager of the Theoretical and Condensed Matter Physics Clusters From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 8 15:35:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23955 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11543 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:07:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0 and Solaris 2.5.1 (x86) Date: 8 Mar 1999 20:07:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7c1alj$b8l$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7c19k4$5ru$1@sci.cpd.uniovi.es>, Igor Sobrado Delgado wrote: : In comp.protocols.kermit.misc : Frank da Cruz wrote: : [...] : > If you or anybody else can send in a C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.04 Intel binary : > for Solaris 2.5.1 (or Solaris 2.4 or earlier), or any other platform for : > which a binary is lacking, I'd appreciate it and will add it to the : > collection: : : I can compile C-Kermit 7.0 for Solaris 2.5.1 Intel using gcc 2.7.2.3. : It is not the best option for this operating system (I was looking for : a precompiled binary made with a better gcc release) but I can send you : a binary on a few days if you think it is a good option. : It's the best offer so far :-) : BTW: I need to sent the binary or a complete package (.pkg file)? : Just the binary. Thanks! - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 9 06:06:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA10945 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA24809 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:03:50 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Henk Trommel" Subject: kermit use for normal user Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:52:30 +0100 Organization: News Service (http://www.news-service.com/) Message-ID: <7c2uek$582$1@news.news-service.com> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I want to use kermit as a normal user, when i give , for example, the command kermit -s filename and try to recieve the file nothing happens. When I log in as a superuser it works. What permissions do I have to change to make kermit available to all users. Henk From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 9 10:06:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13023 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA05886 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:37:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: kermit use for normal user Date: 9 Mar 1999 14:37:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7c3bnh$5nr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <7c2uek$582$1@news.news-service.com>, Henk Trommel wrote: : I want to use kermit as a normal user, when i give , for example, the : command kermit -s filename and try to recieve the file nothing happens. When : I log in as a superuser it works. What permissions do I have to change to : make kermit available to all users. : You are talking about C-Kermit? First, please consult our website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ and in particular: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html to find out what the current version is and what other resources are available, such as documentation. Second, the short answer to your question (assuming your are talking about C-Kermit in UNIX and not some other operating system) is: give the Kermit binary the same owner, group, and permissions as cu. However, this does not address the problem you are reporting, since "kermit -s filename" does not require any special permissions unless (a) the file you are trying to send is read-protected against you, or (b) your C-Kermit initialization file (~/.kermrc) contains a SET LINE command. For details, please consult the manual: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 9 13:06:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08972 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:06:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15837 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:38:41 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jeffkrintila@metronet.ca (Jeff Krintila) Subject: Problems with C-Kermit 6.0.192 on Solaris 2.6 Message-ID: <36e55bea.2163323044@news1.cal.metronet.ca> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 17:38:25 GMT Organization: MetroNet Communications Group Inc. To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I'm hoping someone can help shed some light on my problem with C-Kermit v6.0.192 running on an E450 Sun box using Solaris v2.6. On AIX I can utilize the sample script ckepage.ksc to dial a pager service and send a page to myself. However, when I try the exact same script and arguments on a Solaris box, it seems like the arguments that I am passing the script are not being passed. The service keeps saying that the pager ID is invalid or the page is being rejected. When I tried to modify the script to simply send the page in manual mode, it doesn't echo the \%1 or \%2 arguments. Is there some kind of trick or bug when using the ckepage.ksc script on Solaris? Any and all help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Jeff Krintila From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 9 13:06:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08984 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA16268 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:45:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Problems with C-Kermit 6.0.192 on Solaris 2.6 Date: 9 Mar 1999 17:45:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7c3mog$fsa$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36e55bea.2163323044@news1.cal.metronet.ca>, Jeff Krintila wrote: : I'm hoping someone can help shed some light on my problem with : C-Kermit v6.0.192 running on an E450 Sun box using Solaris v2.6. : To repeat our prior private correspondence: And it's the same pager ID as on AIX? I find it hard to believe that the paging service would say a valid ID is invalid, since the pager ID is sent in a checksummed block to the paging service. If there was data loss or corruption, it is highly unlikely (but still remotely possible) that the checksum would not have caught it. On the off-chance that an error slipped through the TAP protocol due to a data overrun, try increasing the output pacing in the APAGE definition. An updated paging script that requires C-Kermit 7.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html You can find at at ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/text/ckepage.ksc - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 10 02:06:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA19369 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA26074 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:03:52 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: alee@coldstorage.com.sg (Alvin Lee) Subject: Problems with terminating failed sessions when uploading files Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:25:13 +0800 Organization: Cold Storage Singapore Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu I'm hoping someone can enlight me with my problem. Currently I'm running Kermit95 on two Windows NT Servers. One running k95d.exe with listen to port 3000 using hostmode.bat and the other acts as an client to upload and download files over two routers using ISDN connections. I face problem when the current uploading session fail due to comms error (ISDN line down) and the session on the client can timeout and exit but on the server which running k95d.exe session still keep hanging there. As the result, I was not able to re-upload the file as the previous 'hang' session is still locking up the file. The only way that I could resolve this is to terminate the session on the server manually. I had tried to set all setting as follow: set server idle-timeout set server timeout set receive timeout set send timeout on both client & server scripts. but all this setting is effective on the client, not on the server. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Alvin Lee From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 10 10:06:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19516 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA07823 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:57:35 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Problems with terminating failed sessions when uploading files Date: 10 Mar 1999 14:57:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7c618r$7kc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article , Alvin Lee wrote: : I'm hoping someone can enlight me with my problem. : : Currently I'm running Kermit95 on two Windows NT Servers. : One running k95d.exe with listen to port 3000 using hostmode.bat : and the other acts as an client to upload and download : files over two routers using ISDN connections. : : I face problem when the current uploading session fail : due to comms error (ISDN line down) and the session on the : client can timeout and exit but on the server which running : k95d.exe session still keep hanging there. As the result, I was : not able to re-upload the file as the previous 'hang' session is : still locking up the file. : : The only way that I could resolve this is to terminate the session : on the server manually. I had tried to set all setting as follow: : set server idle-timeout : set server timeout : set receive timeout : set send timeout : on both client & server scripts. : but all this setting is effective on the client, not on the server. : : Any and all help would be greatly appreciated! : As Jeff replied to your identical kermit-support mail: TCP/IP does not provide any good indicator of a broken connection. In most cases, if you have a TCP connection from A to B, and A is waiting for data from B, but B crashes or is powered off, A's TCP/IP stack will wait for a very long time before returning a timeout error on the read. However, if it tries to write to a broken connection, it gets an error immediately. Your version Kermit 95 implements a new Kermit protocol enhancement called "streaming", which is used when both ends know they have a reliable (e.g. TCP/IP) connection. In this mode of operation, the file receiver does not send acknowledgements during the data transfer phase, and therefore never tries to write the connection. Furthermore, knowing the nature of Internet connections, it doesn't bother to time out, since sometimes it might take an hour for a packet to arrive. You can disable streaming with SET STREAMING OFF. This restores the normal Kermit protocol with its own timeouts and ACKs and NAKs, which will have the desired effect in your case. If the sender goes offline, the receiver will time out, send a NAK, and this will cause TCP/IP to report the connection has been lost. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 10 20:06:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23494 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA10102 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:50:29 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jwmanly+news@amherst.edu Subject: C-Kermit Scripting using INPUT and LOG SESSION Date: 10 Mar 1999 19:42:53 -0500 Organization: Amherst College Message-ID: <36e7118d.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi there. (This message refers to using C-Kermit 6.0.192 under VMS V7.1) I have some questions about how C-Kermit handles its internal buffers, because I'm seeing some behavior that suggests it is more complex than I thought. In particular, I see in the C-Kermit help that there are separate CLEAR command for DEVICE and INPUT, and I guess what I could use is some information on how these two buffers are related -- that is, how does information get moved from one to the other, and which one does LOG SESSION read out of? Basically, I'm trying to use C-Kermit to transmit some HTML form data to a web-server, and extract a portion of the resulting returned web page. I'm sending the form data via the TRANSMIT command. The web page that comes back looks like this: HTTP/1.1 200 OK blah blah blah

blah blah blah

THE DATA I WANT TO CAPTURE

blah blah blah

blah blah blah

What I want is to capture the "THE DATA I WANT TO CAPTURE

" piece in an external file for further processing outside of Kermit. I thought this would be pretty easy: Just connect to the server, transmit the form data to it, do an INPUT for the || string, turn on session logging, do another INPUT for the |

| string, turn off logging, hangup and exit. Well, needless to say it hasn't been this straightforward, and the results don't even seem to be consistent. It is as if the LOG SESSION command is working out of a buffer that is somehow different (or not synchronized) with the one the INPUT command is using. My actual script is down below, but before we get to that, I've stumbled over some other strangeness as I've tried to debug this issue, so let's go over those first. Consider the following script: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- set host www.qrz.com:80 set input echo off set transmit echo off set transmit prompt 0 clear transmit form.txt log session form.out pause 10 log session hangup exit --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This seems about as simple as it gets: transmit the form data, start logging the session, wait 10 seconds for everything to come through, exit. This should record everything that comes back. But it doesn't. In fact, it doesn't record anything. BUT, if I replace that "PAUSE 10" command with an "INPUT 10 XXXXXXX" string, THEN it works. Why is this? Why the necessity for the INPUT line? I assume it is to force C-Kermit to somehow "consume" or "process" the information, but is there any other, cleaner way to do that? (And is this the process of moving information between the aformentioned DEVICE and INPUT buffers?) OK, on to my real problem. Consider the script below, the one to solve the problem I describe at the start of my message: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- set host www.qrz.com:80 set input echo off set transmit echo off set transmit prompt 0 clear transmit form.txt input 10 log session form.out input 10

log session input 10 hangup exit --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This doesn't work reliably, though it does work sometimes. If I run this script six times, sometimes I get the data I want in the FORM.OUT file, and the other two times I get nothing. I've tried putting debugging statements in (to see, for example, whether the "INPUT 10

" command is failing, and sometimes it is), but they haven't helped me figure out what is going on here. I'm fairly confident that the remote side is returning the same information each time, so I'm thinking the problem has to do with the timing of exactly WHEN information from the remote side arrives. Should those subsequent INPUT command actually be REINPUT commands? What happens if I have the following commands in a script: INPUT 10 AAA PAUSE 1 INPUT 10 BBB and the string "BBB" comes in during the first 10 seconds. Will that second INPUT command succeed or fail? Final question: notice how I put that "INPUT 10 " command at the end of the script to flush out whatever other data comes back from the remote server following the part that I am intersted in? If I don't do this, when I hit the EXIT at the end of the script (even though it follows the HANGUP command), I get the "There may still be a connection open, OK to exit?" message when the script finishes. I assume this is because there is "unconsumed" data in the buffer. How do I tell Kermit to drop the connection regardless of whether there is anything left in the buffer or not, even if data is still streaming in? BTW, the FORM.TXT file that I'm transmitting to the remote server looks like this: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- POST /wrad/directory.cgi HTTP/1.0 Referer: http://www.qrz.com/ Connection: Keep-Alive User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Host: www.qrz.com Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, *.* Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded Content-length: 14 callsign=k1nor --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know I'm asking kind of complicated questions, and I'm having some trouble making them as straightforward as possible, but though I've been scripting Kermit for years and years, the buffer operations and interactions between the INPUT, REINPUT, CLEAR DEVICE, and CLEAR INPUT commands continues to mess me up. If someone could give me a quick rundown on how these things interact with each other and with the LOG SESSION command, I would be most grateful. That alone might be enough to let me solve my own problems with the above scripts. - John W. Manly From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 10 20:36:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01257 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA11089 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:08:21 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: C-Kermit Scripting using INPUT and LOG SESSION Date: 11 Mar 1999 01:08:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7c7523$aqe$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36e7118d.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu>, wrote: : I have some questions about how C-Kermit handles its internal buffers, : because I'm seeing some behavior that suggests it is more complex than I : thought. In particular, I see in the C-Kermit help that there are separate : CLEAR command for DEVICE and INPUT, and I guess what I could use is some : information on how these two buffers are related -- that is, how does : information get moved from one to the other, and which one does LOG SESSION : read out of? : The device buffer contains stuff that has not yet been read by Kermit. Kermit reads stuff out of the device buffer when it is in CONNECT mode or when you give it an INPUT command (and of course when you transfer files, DIAL, etc). The INPUT buffer (a.k.a. \v(input)) is Kermit's internal circular buffer that stores the characters most recently read by INPUT commands. : Basically, I'm trying to use C-Kermit to transmit some HTML form data to a : web-server, and extract a portion of the resulting returned web page. I'm : sending the form data via the TRANSMIT command. The web page that comes : back looks like this: : : HTTP/1.1 200 OK : blah blah blah

: blah blah blah

: : THE DATA I WANT TO CAPTURE

: blah blah blah

: blah blah blah

: : : What I want is to capture the "THE DATA I WANT TO CAPTURE

" piece in an : external file for further processing outside of Kermit. I thought this : would be pretty easy: Just connect to the server, transmit the form data to : it, do an INPUT for the || string, turn on session logging, do another INPUT : for the |

| string, turn off logging, hangup and exit. : : Well, needless to say it hasn't been this straightforward, and the results : don't even seem to be consistent. It is as if the LOG SESSION command is : working out of a buffer that is somehow different (or not synchronized) : with the one the INPUT command is using. My actual script is down below, : but before we get to that, I've stumbled over some other strangeness as : I've tried to debug this issue, so let's go over those first. : : Consider the following script: : --------------------------------------------------------------------------- : set host www.qrz.com:80 : set input echo off : set transmit echo off : set transmit prompt 0 : clear : transmit form.txt : log session form.out : pause 10 : log session : hangup : exit : --------------------------------------------------------------------------- : : This seems about as simple as it gets: transmit the form data, start : logging the session, wait 10 seconds for everything to come through, exit. : This should record everything that comes back. But it doesn't. In fact, : it doesn't record anything. BUT, if I replace that "PAUSE 10" command with : an "INPUT 10 XXXXXXX" string, THEN it works. : : Why is this? : Because after you "transmit form.txt", you are not executing any Kermit commands that read from the connection. : Why the necessity for the INPUT line? I assume it is to force : C-Kermit to somehow "consume" or "process" the information, but is there : any other, cleaner way to do that? : No. You have to think of INPUT as an analog for your eyes and brain. If you were in CONNECT mode, you'd watch the stuff coming in, and eventually you would see something that tells you it's done. No INPUT, no eyes (and no brain :-) (OUTPUT is an analog for your fingers, and some would say also for your brain, but others -- especially readers of certain newsgroups (not this one) might disagree :-) : OK, on to my real problem. Consider the script below, the one to solve the : problem I describe at the start of my message: : : --------------------------------------------------------------------------- : set host www.qrz.com:80 : set input echo off : set transmit echo off : set transmit prompt 0 : clear : transmit form.txt : input 10 : log session form.out : input 10

: log session : input 10 : hangup : exit : --------------------------------------------------------------------------- : : This doesn't work reliably, though it does work sometimes. : So maybe it's time-dependent. Something that takes 10 seconds one day on the Internet might take an hour on another day. You need IF FAIL tests after every INPUT. : Final question: notice how I put that "INPUT 10 " command at the end : of the script to flush out whatever other data comes back from the remote : server following the part that I am intersted in? If I don't do this, when : I hit the EXIT at the end of the script (even though it follows the HANGUP : command), I get the "There may still be a connection open, OK to exit?" : message when the script finishes. I assume this is because there is : "unconsumed" data in the buffer. : It's because the connection is still open, just like it says. The server closes the connection after all the data it sent has been acknowledged (at the TCP level). : How do I tell Kermit to drop the : connection regardless of whether there is anything left in the buffer or : not, even if data is still streaming in? : Like it says in the book: SET EXIT WARNING OFF There are some examples in the book that should clarify matters. E.g, how to read a line at a time from the host and write each line to file as it comes in. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 11 18:37:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17065 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:37:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18008 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:20:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jwmanly+news@amherst.edu Subject: Re: C-Kermit Scripting using INPUT and LOG SESSION Date: 11 Mar 1999 18:09:45 -0500 Organization: Amherst College Message-ID: <36e84d39.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: : : Why the necessity for the INPUT line? I assume it is to force : : C-Kermit to somehow "consume" or "process" the information, but is there : : any other, cleaner way to do that? : : : No. You have to think of INPUT as an analog for your eyes and brain. : If you were in CONNECT mode, you'd watch the stuff coming in, and eventually : you would see something that tells you it's done. No INPUT, no eyes (and : no brain :-) Got it. So how does LOG SESSION fit into this? That is, at what point does material coming in get written to the log file -- when it hits the DEVICE buffer, or when it gets moved from that buffer to the INPUT buffer? : : Final question: notice how I put that "INPUT 10 " command at the end : : of the script to flush out whatever other data comes back from the remote : : server following the part that I am intersted in? If I don't do this, when : : I hit the EXIT at the end of the script (even though it follows the HANGUP : : command), I get the "There may still be a connection open, OK to exit?" : : message when the script finishes. I assume this is because there is : : "unconsumed" data in the buffer. : : : It's because the connection is still open, just like it says. The server : closes the connection after all the data it sent has been acknowledged : (at the TCP level). And it's not acknowledged until it has been moved to the INPUT buffer by an INPUT command? Got it. This would seem to suggest some usefulness to some kind of FLUSH or PAUSE-WHILE-FLUSHING command -- you know, pause for 2 seconds and discard anything that comes in during that time. I've sometimes wanted to do that in the middle of a script, and doing a bogus "INPUT 2 XXXXX" seems a bit kludgy. While we're at it, some TELNET clients have a function (usually bound to a key) that does a "send mark and then flush to mark" function -- often called abort output. Does Kermit have anything like this that can be used from a script? : : How do I tell Kermit to drop the : : connection regardless of whether there is anything left in the buffer or : : not, even if data is still streaming in? : : : Like it says in the book: : SET EXIT WARNING OFF Hmmm. So HANGUP just tells the other end to close down, but doesn't actually close the connection. There's no straightforward way to tell Kermit to tell the other side to close down and wait for some number of seconds to see if the TCP connection is actually closed by the remote side? -- John W. Manly (Amherst College) From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 11 19:07:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23645 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19689 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:51:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: C-Kermit Scripting using INPUT and LOG SESSION Date: 11 Mar 1999 23:51:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7c9kta$j76$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu In article <36e84d39.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu>, wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : : : Why the necessity for the INPUT line? I assume it is to force : : : C-Kermit to somehow "consume" or "process" the information, but is there : : : any other, cleaner way to do that? : : : : No. You have to think of INPUT as an analog for your eyes and brain. If : : you were in CONNECT mode, you'd watch the stuff coming in, and eventually : : you would see something that tells you it's done. No INPUT, no eyes (and : : no brain :-) : : Got it. So how does LOG SESSION fit into this? That is, at what point does : material coming in get written to the log file -- when it hits the DEVICE : buffer, or when it gets moved from that buffer to the INPUT buffer? : Whenever C-Kermit reads from the device (really, from the device driver's buffer) while in CONNECT mode or executing an INPUT command, and a session log is active, it also writes the character to the session log. (There are a few more wrinkles during CONNECT mode, depending on your SET SESSION-LOG preferences.) : : : Final question: notice how I put that "INPUT 10 " command at the : : : end of the script to flush out whatever other data comes back from the : : : remote server following the part that I am intersted in? If I don't do : : : this, when I hit the EXIT at the end of the script (even though it : : : follows the HANGUP command), I get the "There may still be a connection : : : open, OK to exit?" message when the script finishes. I assume this is : : : because there is "unconsumed" data in the buffer. : : : : It's because the connection is still open, just like it says. The server : : closes the connection after all the data it sent has been acknowledged : : (at the TCP level). : : And it's not acknowledged until it has been moved to the INPUT buffer by an : INPUT command? Got it. This would seem to suggest some usefulness to some : kind of FLUSH or PAUSE-WHILE-FLUSHING command -- you know, pause for 2 : seconds and discard anything that comes in during that time. : PAUSE 2 CLEAR DEVICE : I've sometimes : wanted to do that in the middle of a script, and doing a bogus "INPUT 2 : XXXXX" seems a bit kludgy. Can you think of something that would be less kludgey? "Flush everything that comes in the next 2 seconds" is totally nondeterministic. : While we're at it, some TELNET clients have a function (usually bound to a : key) that does a "send mark and then flush to mark" function -- often called : abort output. Does Kermit have anything like this that can be used from a : script? : The next release will have a TELOPT command that lets you send any Telnet protocol command to the Telnet server. : : : How do I tell Kermit to drop the : : : connection regardless of whether there is anything left in the buffer or : : : not, even if data is still streaming in? : : : : : Like it says in the book: : : : SET EXIT WARNING OFF : : Hmmm. So HANGUP just tells the other end to close down, but doesn't actually : close the connection. : A network connection *is* closed by HANGUP. : There's no straightforward way to tell Kermit to : tell the other side to close down and wait for some number of seconds to see : if the TCP connection is actually closed by the remote side? : I wouldn't say that. HANGUP does this on a network connection. C-Kermit 7.0 has a CLOSE command ("CLOSE" by itself) that closes the connection. But it just does what HANGUP does now on a network connection. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 12 20:07:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02260 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA23643 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:52:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Antonio Azevedo" Subject: Help: binary C-kermit needed Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:49:08 -0000 Organization: IGACARGO Message-ID: <7cc5r1$u8d$1@duke.telepac.pt> To: kermit.misc@mailrelay2.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Sorry to bother you. I'm looking for a binary version of c-kermit to use in an (very) old Philips P9050, running UNIX AT&T sys3R5. The processor of this computer is a Motorola 68020. A few years ago I found it. and I loaded it. Unfortunatly, I don't have it anymore, and I cannot find it in the net. Any help / tips on this would be appreciated for a.azevedo@mail.telepac.pt or filmi@mail.telepac.pt Thanks in advance. Antonio Azevedo From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 14 00:14:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA22101 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA08633 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:57:04 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <36EB2F74.54237D70@usit.net> From: ERA Computer Consulting Organization: ERA Computer Consulting Subject: GPF trying to REXEC Kermit/2 under Warp 4 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 03:41:19 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am attempting to set up a script to automate retrieving .zip files off our ISP server in our home directory. This script should be able to be called from any system on our internal network using the REXEC Daemon on our DOD/NAT system running Injoy 2.0b on which Kermit/2 is loaded. Unfortunately I have hit a wall and need some assistance. Why do it this way? I only have one valid license for C-Kermit and this will allow me to stay legal until I can debug other problems on our network that keep downloads from working across the interal network thereby justifying purchase of additional licenses. Perhaps one of you C-Kermit guru's can help. Here is the output on the REXECD screen after the session fails: > Executing G:\K2\K2.INI for OS/2... > > Exectuing G:/K2/K2CUSTOM.INI for C-Kermit on era0 running 32-bit_OS/2 > > General Protection Fault exception occurred at EIP = 1D17989F on thread 0001. > Exception occurred in C Library routine called from EIP = 0007CA42. > Register Dump at point of exception: > EAX = 00000030 EBX = 0074ECC0 ECX = 00490000 EDX = FFFFFFFF > EBP = 0035E6C4 EDI = 00490000 ESI = 00226510 ESP = 0035E62C >  CS = 005B CSLIM = 1FFFFFFF DS = 0053 DSLIM = 1FFFFFFF >  ES = 0053 ESLIM = 1FFFFFFF FS = 150B FSLIM = 00000030 >  GS = 0000 GSLIM = 00000000 SS = 0053 SSLIM = 1FFFFFFF > Process terminating. > SYS1808: > The process has stopped. The software diagnostic > code (exception code) is 0005. > > FINISHED SERVICING REXEC CLIENT The 'k2.ini' is TAKEn from the script I created called 'getzip.ksc' and the 'k2custom.ini' is TAKEn when 'k2.ini' loads of course. In 'k2custom.ini' I have DEFINEd the NET Macro as shown in _Using C-Kermit Second Edition_ on p.416 which is used in 'getzip.ksc' to open a connection to our ISP server which then is used to login, start kermit server, retrieve the files and exit. I am attempting to debug this using logs but haven't been able to really pinpoint where everything fails. Two questions: 1. Am I "pushing the envelope" too much by trying to run this via REXEC and thus there is no way this will work? 2. Does anyone wish to review my scripts, minus login info of course, for a possible cause? If 1. then e-mail me and let me know. If 2. please e-mail me and we'll further correspond from there. TIA to any and all with positive suggestions and/or correspondence. -- Gene Alexander -- +==========================-=>Team OS/2<=-==========================+ # Owner and C.E.O. - ERA Computer Consulting - Jackson, TN USA # #Providing IBM OS/2 and SCO OpenServer Business Computing Solutions# # visit our www pages at http://www.townsendsupply.com/era/ # +===================================================================+ The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 46 Processes with 155 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 0h 51m 5s 934ms. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 14 00:44:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26388 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA09719 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:15:18 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Antonio Azevedo" Subject: Help: binary C-kermit needed Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:49:08 -0000 Organization: IGACARGO Message-ID: <7cc5r1$u8d$1@duke.telepac.pt> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Sorry to bother you. I'm looking for a binary version of c-kermit to use in an (very) old Philips P9050, running UNIX AT&T sys3R5. The processor of this computer is a Motorola 68020. A few years ago I found it. and I loaded it. Unfortunatly, I don't have it anymore, and I cannot find it in the net. Any help / tips on this would be appreciated for a.azevedo@mail.telepac.pt or filmi@mail.telepac.pt Thanks in advance. Antonio Azevedo From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 14 00:44:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26391 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA10062 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:30:04 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Re: Problem with K95 Alarm Problem Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:18:09 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7cfgqc$spq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7c3fl2$oq2$1@roslyn.tc.fluke.com>, paul@tc.fluke.com (Paul Lutt) wrote: > I would like to use K95 kermit on NT to log some info to a file and > periodically rollover the log file every night. I put together a script > that opens a session log, sets an alarm for 00:05:00 and then loops, > waiting for input. The script is shown below. > > My problem is that the alarm never seems to trigger. I've tried > changing the alarm time to something an hour or so ahead of when I start > the script and that works OK. However, I have not been able to get the > alarm to trigger with the 00:05:00 setting. This is a bug that has been fixed in the 1.1.18 test builds. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 14 00:45:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26394 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA09722 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:15:19 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: paul@tc.fluke.com (Paul Lutt) Subject: Problem with K95 Alarm Problem Date: 9 Mar 1999 07:44:34 -0800 Organization: Fluke Corporation, Everett, WA Message-ID: <7c3fl2$oq2$1@roslyn.tc.fluke.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to use K95 kermit on NT to log some info to a file and periodically rollover the log file every night. I put together a script that opens a session log, sets an alarm for 00:05:00 and then loops, waiting for input. The script is shown below. My problem is that the alarm never seems to trigger. I've tried changing the alarm time to something an hour or so ahead of when I start the script and that works OK. However, I have not been able to get the alarm to trigger with the 00:05:00 setting. I am running version 1.1.17 of K95. I notice that there is a bug fix in an earlier version of K95 for alarm problems at midnight, but that fix should be in the version I'm using. Any ideas why this isn't working? -- Paul Lutt Fluke Corporation (425) 356-5059 paul@tc.fluke.com ; ; logger.ksc - log com2 data to a file ; set port com2 if fail end 1 SET PORT failed set speed 9600 set parity none set flow none while true { log session c:/kermit/\v(ndate) append set alarm 00:05:00 while not alarm { input 10 \13 if failure end 1 } close session } From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 14 00:45:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26446 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA09924 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:25:46 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: GPF trying to REXEC Kermit/2 under Warp 4 Date: 14 Mar 1999 05:25:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7cfh8p$9m1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36EB2F74.54237D70@usit.net>, ERA Computer Consulting wrote: : I am attempting to set up a script to automate retrieving .zip files : off our ISP server in our home directory. This script should be able : to be called from any system on our internal network using the REXEC : Daemon on our DOD/NAT system running Injoy 2.0b on which Kermit/2 is : loaded. Unfortunately I have hit a wall and need some assistance. : : Why do it this way? I only have one valid license for C-Kermit and : this will allow me to stay legal until I can debug other problems on : our network that keep downloads from working across the interal : network thereby justifying purchase of additional licenses. Perhaps : one of you C-Kermit guru's can help. : : Here is the output on the REXECD screen after the session fails: K/2 is a console application. Does REXECD provide a full console environment for it to execute in? Or does it simply expect everything to happen via stdio? : The 'k2.ini' is TAKEn from the script I created called 'getzip.ksc' : and the 'k2custom.ini' is TAKEn when 'k2.ini' loads of course. In : 'k2custom.ini' I have DEFINEd the NET Macro as shown in _Using : C-Kermit Second Edition_ on p.416 which is used in 'getzip.ksc' to : open a connection to our ISP server which then is used to login, : start kermit server, retrieve the files and exit. I am attempting to : debug this using logs but haven't been able to really pinpoint where : everything fails. K2.INI is loaded when K2.EXE starts. There is no need to TAKE it from within your script. : Two questions: 1. Am I "pushing the envelope" too much by trying to : run this via REXEC and thus there is no way this will work? 2. Does : anyone wish to review my scripts, minus login info of course, for a : possible cause? Does the script work when you simply run it without REXECD? Does it only fail when you exec it from REXECD? When there is a program crash please address questions to kermit-support@columbia.edu. There is little that anyone else could do to help. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 14 06:15:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA14704 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA17854 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:11:52 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: oqzyex@fakeaddressforyourlist.com Subject: YOULL WANT TO CLICK HERE! 437 [1/2] Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:33:27 GMT Organization: Bell Solutions To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu CHECK OTHER POSTING FOR MESSAGE! vldnhqhylvbzobuwvpdbfomnjmsbgmcemknkhmzgnzfrzhqsbbtklxhri From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 14 09:44:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16572 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA22484 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:36:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <36EBC94F.EFFD60A4@usit.net> From: ERA Computer Consulting Organization: ERA Computer Consulting Subject: Re: GPF trying to REXEC Kermit/2 under Warp 4 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:38:22 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman wrote: > > In article <36EB2F74.54237D70@usit.net>, > ERA Computer Consulting wrote: > : I am attempting to set up a script to automate retrieving .zip files > : off our ISP server in our home directory. This script should be able > : to be called from any system on our internal network using the REXEC > : Daemon on our DOD/NAT system running Injoy 2.0b on which Kermit/2 is > : loaded. Unfortunately I have hit a wall and need some assistance. [deletia] > : Here is the output on the REXECD screen after the session fails: > > K/2 is a console application. Does REXECD provide a full console > environment for it to execute in? > > Or does it simply expect everything to happen via stdio? That is an excellent question to which I do not know the answer. I can perhaps get more info on REXECD in one of the comp.os.os2 groups. Unfortunately the online documentation provided with Warp is sorely lacking in its descriptions of REXEC/REXECD. > : The 'k2.ini' is TAKEn from the script I created called 'getzip.ksc' > : and the 'k2custom.ini' is TAKEn when 'k2.ini' loads of course. In [deletia] > > K2.INI is loaded when K2.EXE starts. There is no need to TAKE it > from within your script. I had wondered about this. Thanks for clearing that up. > : Two questions: 1. Am I "pushing the envelope" too much by trying to > : run this via REXEC and thus there is no way this will work? 2. Does > : anyone wish to review my scripts, minus login info of course, for a > : possible cause? > > Does the script work when you simply run it without REXECD? > > Does it only fail when you exec it from REXECD? > > When there is a program crash please address questions to > kermit-support@columbia.edu. There is little that anyone else could > do to help. Thanks for the quick response Jeffrey. I posted the message here in hopes there might be another OS/2 administrator that had attempted something similar. If so I hoped s/he could steer me in the proper direction. I'll continue my own debugging efforts in the meantime. Thank you again for the response. -- Gene Alexander -- +==========================-=>Team OS/2<=-==========================+ # Owner and C.E.O. - ERA Computer Consulting - Jackson, TN USA # #Providing IBM OS/2 and SCO OpenServer Business Computing Solutions# # visit our www pages at http://www.townsendsupply.com/era/ # +===================================================================+ The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 46 Processes with 155 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 11h 53m 55s 465ms. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 14 10:44:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22374 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24544 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:22:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: GPF trying to REXEC Kermit/2 under Warp 4 Date: 14 Mar 1999 15:22:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7cgk70$nut$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36EBC94F.EFFD60A4@usit.net>, ERA Computer Consulting wrote: : > Does the script work when you simply run it without REXECD? : > : > Does it only fail when you exec it from REXECD? : > : > When there is a program crash please address questions to : > kermit-support@columbia.edu. There is little that anyone else could : > do to help. : : Thanks for the quick response Jeffrey. I posted the message here in : hopes there might be another OS/2 administrator that had attempted : something similar. If so I hoped s/he could steer me in the proper : direction. I'll continue my own debugging efforts in the meantime. : Thank you again for the response. : Please determine if the problem occurs without using REXECD. Then try running K2 under REXECD with the -d flag. Send the resulting "debug.log" file to kermit-support@columbia.edu I do not like it when my program crashes. Regardless of the circumstances. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 14 11:14:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25886 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27497 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:14:04 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Help: binary C-kermit needed Date: 14 Mar 1999 16:14:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7cgn8c$qr6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7cc5r1$u8d$1@duke.telepac.pt>, Antonio Azevedo wrote: : I'm looking for a binary version of c-kermit : to use in an (very) old Philips P9050, : running UNIX AT&T sys3R5. : The processor of this computer is a : Motorola 68020. : : A few years ago I found it. and I loaded it. : : Unfortunatly, I don't have it anymore, and I : cannot find it in the net. : : Any help / tips on this would be appreciated for : a.azevedo@mail.telepac.pt or filmi@mail.telepac.pt : We don't have one here. If anybody has one of these systems with a C compiler and can make a binary from the C-Kermit 6.0 source code: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html or better still, from the C-Kermit 7.0 sources: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html please contact me so I can add it to the archive. For that matter, if anybody can make *any* C-Kermit binaries that are not listed in the aforementioned web pages, please let me know. Thanks! - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 15 01:15:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA01561 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA04803 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:56:23 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "David Bellamy" Subject: Script for paging to numeric beepers Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:54:28 -0800 Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am currently running a service guard cluster on HP9000 UNIX systems. I would like to know if anyone has a script that can beep people, so I can incorporate it into my service guard scripts. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 15 02:15:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA07041 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 02:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA07320 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:52:48 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <36ECADC1.86AA9007@usit.net> From: ERA Computer Consulting Organization: ERA Computer Consulting Subject: Re: GPF trying to REXEC Kermit/2 under Warp 4 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 06:54:08 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman wrote: > > In article <36EBC94F.EFFD60A4@usit.net>, > ERA Computer Consulting wrote: > : > Does the script work when you simply run it without REXECD? > : > > : > Does it only fail when you exec it from REXECD? > : > > : > When there is a program crash please address questions to > : > kermit-support@columbia.edu. There is little that anyone else could > : > do to help. > : > : Thanks for the quick response Jeffrey. I posted the message here in > : hopes there might be another OS/2 administrator that had attempted > : something similar. If so I hoped s/he could steer me in the proper > : direction. I'll continue my own debugging efforts in the meantime. > : Thank you again for the response. > > Please determine if the problem occurs without using REXECD. > > Then try running K2 under REXECD with the -d flag. > > Send the resulting "debug.log" file to kermit-support@columbia.edu > I do not like it when my program crashes. Regardless of the circumstances. I understand completely. However, I have already done quite a bit of debugging at this point and have modified the script to not TAKE the 'k2.ini' file. This cleared up the crash problem. Something broke due to my lack of knowledge regarding how Kermit/2 accesses the 'k2.ini' and my forcing kermit to reload the .ini files within the script. I cannot duplicate the crash now without undoing a lot of work so if you really want to see a debug log I'll have to try to remember how the script was set up and write a new one just for that. Let me know. I now have gotten much farther and no longer get a crash. I'm working on getting the script to not attempt to download the file if it does not exist on the server. I'm finding the c-kermit server mode on the ISP's release of c-kermit is lacking many commands I am wanting to use so I'm having to improvise by trial and error. Here is what 'sho ver' outputs on their system: > C-Kermit>sho ver > > Versions: > C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92 > Numeric: 501188 > UNIX Communications support, 5A(0102), 23 Nov 92 for AT&T System V R4 > UNIX File support, 5A(067) 11 Nov 92 for AT&T System V R4 > C-Kermit Protocol Module 5A(052), 23 Nov 92 > C-Kermit functions, 5A(080) 24 Nov 92 > Command package 5A(053), 21 Nov 92 > User Interface 5A(092), 23 Nov 92 > CONNECT Command for UNIX, 5A(049) 28 Nov 92 > Dial Command, 5A(046) 2 Nov 92 > Script Command, 5A(015) 2 Nov 92 As you can see their version is quite old. I have requested that they update to 6.0.192 but I'm told they have to get permission from Columbia U., install, test, do a study of the test and then ok or deny the upgrade. I'm told as well this will take up to six months to complete. :-/ So I'm muddling along. ;-) -- Gene Alexander -- +==========================-=>Team OS/2<=-==========================+ # Owner and C.E.O. - ERA Computer Consulting - Jackson, TN USA # #Providing IBM OS/2 and SCO OpenServer Business Computing Solutions# # visit our www pages at http://www.townsendsupply.com/era/ # +===================================================================+ The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 51 Processes with 174 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 3h 49m 24s 682ms. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 15 09:15:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13605 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16472 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:12:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Script for paging to numeric beepers Date: 15 Mar 1999 14:12:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7cj4gn$g2m$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , David Bellamy wrote: : I am currently running a service guard cluster on HP9000 UNIX systems. I : would like to know if anyone has a script that can beep people, so I can : incorporate it into my service guard scripts. : See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 15 09:15:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13613 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16035 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:03:24 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: GPF trying to REXEC Kermit/2 under Warp 4 Date: 15 Mar 1999 14:03:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7cj3va$fl0$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36ECADC1.86AA9007@usit.net>, ERA Computer Consulting wrote: : ... : As you can see their version is quite old. I have requested that they : update to 6.0.192 but I'm told they have to get permission from : Columbia U... : No, ISPs do not have to get permission to install Kermit for their users to use. : ... install, test, do a study of the test and then ok or : deny the upgrade. I'm told as well this will take up to six months to : complete. : Evidently they do not know that C-Kermit is one of the most widely tested and best supported software packages available to them. But I'm impressed that they would devote their legions of technical staff to such a rigorous testing program, to protect their users from contamination by bugs. I hope if they find any, they will report them to us. Of course by then 7.0 will be released... - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 15 12:15:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03745 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25694 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:05:32 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Tim Rhodes Subject: Carrier test Date: 15 Mar 1999 17:04:31 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia, USA Message-ID: <7cjeiv$cbi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm converting a Procomm script to a C-Kermit script. The Procomm script contains tests to determine carrier is up. Does kermit have a variable that can be tested for this? I've tried SET MODEM CARRIER-WATCH ON, but on an outstanding receive, carrier dropping does not seem to interupt or affect the script. BTW, I have the book ordered through our campus bookstore, but it will not arrive for two weeks. Thanks... -- .. Tim Rhodes ........................ http://rhodes.cc.vt.edu/~rhodes .. .. Lead Systems Engineer, Virginia Tech ............ Tim.Rhodes@vt.edu .. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 15 12:45:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14211 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26577 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:22:48 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Carrier test Date: 15 Mar 1999 17:22:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7cjfl8$pue$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7cjeiv$cbi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Tim Rhodes wrote: : I'm converting a Procomm script to a C-Kermit script. The Procomm script : contains tests to determine carrier is up. Does kermit have a variable : that can be tested for this? I've tried SET MODEM CARRIER-WATCH ON, but : on an outstanding receive, carrier dropping does not seem to interupt or : affect the script. : : BTW, I have the book ordered through our campus bookstore, but it will not : arrive for two weeks. Thanks... : -- : .. Tim Rhodes ........................ http://rhodes.cc.vt.edu/~rhodes .. : .. Lead Systems Engineer, Virginia Tech ............ Tim.Rhodes@vt.edu .. Syntax: WAIT { number-of-seconds, hh:mm:ss } [modem-signal(s)] Examples: wait 5 cd cts wait 23:59:59 cd Waits up to the given number of seconds or the given time of day for all the specified modem signals to appear on the serial communication device. Sets FAILURE if the signals do not appear in the given time or interrupted from the keyboard during the waiting period. Also see HELP PAUSE. Signals: cd = Carrier Detect; dsr = Dataset Ready; cts = Clear To Send; ri = Ring Indicate. However, if Carrier-Watch is ON and you are using INPUT commands the INPUT command will fail if Carrier-Detect has dropped assuming there is no data waiting to be read. Under what circumstances do you find that carrier-detect is not being noticed? What version of C-kermit are you using and on which operating system and version? Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 15 13:15:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22401 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29534 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:15:00 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Carlos Ramirez" Subject: automating a BBS download Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:15:41 -0600 Organization: gte.net Message-ID: <7cjhq4$evb$1@news-1.news.gte.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Good Day i am wanting to use Kermit to do a ymodem transfer from a BBS on a daily basis and I like to create a script for this. Can any provide me with a reference for information or provide assistance on how may accomplish this. This is a Solaris 2.5.1 box. The protocal for download is ymodem Carlos From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 15 13:45:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02459 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00505 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:34:28 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: automating a BBS download Date: 15 Mar 1999 18:34:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7cjjrk$fm$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7cjhq4$evb$1@news-1.news.gte.net>, Carlos Ramirez wrote: : i am wanting to use Kermit to do a ymodem transfer from a BBS on a daily : basis and I like to create a script for this. Can any provide me with a : reference for information or provide assistance on how may accomplish this. : This is a Solaris 2.5.1 box. The protocal for download is ymodem : The current version of C-Kermit for Solaris 2.5.1 can be found at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html The manual has a chapter (14) on using external protocols. Also see the item "Problems Using XYZMODEM External Protocols in C-Kermit" in the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 15 13:45:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02476 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00243 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:31:54 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Tim Rhodes Subject: Re: Carrier test Date: 15 Mar 1999 18:31:42 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia, USA Message-ID: <7cjjme$gd6$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman wrote: : In article <7cjeiv$cbi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, : Tim Rhodes wrote: : : I'm converting a Procomm script to a C-Kermit script. The Procomm script : : contains tests to determine carrier is up. Does kermit have a variable : : that can be tested for this? I've tried SET MODEM CARRIER-WATCH ON, but : : on an outstanding receive, carrier dropping does not seem to interupt or : : affect the script. : : : Syntax: WAIT { number-of-seconds, hh:mm:ss } [modem-signal(s)] : Examples: : wait 5 cd cts : wait 23:59:59 cd : Waits up to the given number of seconds or the given time of day for all : the specified modem signals to appear on the serial communication device. : Sets FAILURE if the signals do not appear in the given time or interrupted : from the keyboard during the waiting period. Also see HELP PAUSE. : Signals: : cd = Carrier Detect; : dsr = Dataset Ready; : cts = Clear To Send; : ri = Ring Indicate. : However, if Carrier-Watch is ON and you are using INPUT commands the INPUT : command will fail if Carrier-Detect has dropped assuming there is no : data waiting to be read. Under what circumstances do you find that : carrier-detect is not being noticed? : What version of C-kermit are you using and on which operating system : and version? Using C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x on Solaris 2.6. The app is fairly brain dead procedure when the server issues a login prompt and the client sends a login. Unsuccessful login is indicated by the server hanging up (the Procomm script waits 5 seconds and then tests to see if connection still has carrier detect). If still connected, the script attempts to receive a file (using kermit protocol). In my testing, I have SET MODEM CARRIER-WATCH ON. After login, the script issues a receive. The server may or may not have a file to be sent. If no file is available, the server hangs up. The outstanding receive does not notice carrier dropping. The script works by the receive failing with message "?Sent too many NAKs." and success/failure set properly. -- .. Tim Rhodes ........................ http://rhodes.cc.vt.edu/~rhodes .. .. Lead Systems Engineer, Virginia Tech ............ Tim.Rhodes@vt.edu .. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 15 16:45:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26086 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA11029 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:44:44 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Carrier test Date: 15 Mar 1999 21:44:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7cjv0a$aoi$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7cjjme$gd6$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Tim Rhodes wrote: : : However, if Carrier-Watch is ON and you are using INPUT commands the INPUT : : command will fail if Carrier-Detect has dropped assuming there is no : : data waiting to be read. Under what circumstances do you find that : : carrier-detect is not being noticed? : : : What version of C-kermit are you using and on which operating system : : and version? : : Using C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x on Solaris 2.6. : : The app is fairly brain dead procedure when the server issues a login : prompt and the client sends a login. Unsuccessful login is indicated : by the server hanging up (the Procomm script waits 5 seconds and then : tests to see if connection still has carrier detect). If still connected, : the script attempts to receive a file (using kermit protocol). : : In my testing, I have SET MODEM CARRIER-WATCH ON. After login, the : script issues a receive. The server may or may not have a file to be : sent. If no file is available, the server hangs up. The outstanding : receive does not notice carrier dropping. The script works by the : receive failing with message "?Sent too many NAKs." and success/failure : set properly. You can replicate the brain-dead behavior with PAUSE 5 WAIT 1 CD IF FAILURE END 1 No carrier signal present You should also try the C-Kermit 7.0 Beta. 7.0 does a significantly ' better job of handling carrier-detect loss during file transfers. The RECEIVE command should return immediately with it. http://www.kermit-project.org/ck70.html Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 15 20:15:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19060 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21672 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:09:27 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: infinitop@aol.com.nospam (InfinitOp) Subject: Mac user needs help with DOS kermit Date: 16 Mar 1999 01:09:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990315200906.17145.00001314@ng141.aol.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu i'll be the first to admit I have little idea what I'm doing, but here it goes.... - Using Kermit ifrom a DOS prompt - want to use the Transmit command to send a text file out of COM1 at 9660-8-N-1 how do configure, change appropriate settings, etc? anything else special I need to be aware of? yes, I have read the "Help" file, but got very confused. thanks --Tim remove ".nospam" when replying From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 15 22:15:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12935 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:15:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA27039 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:01:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: Mac user needs help with DOS kermit Message-ID: Date: 15 Mar 99 19:52:31 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <19990315200906.17145.00001314@ng141.aol.com>, infinitop@aol.com.nospam (InfinitOp) writes: > i'll be the first to admit I have little idea what I'm doing, but here it > goes.... > > - Using Kermit ifrom a DOS prompt > - want to use the Transmit command to send a text file > out of COM1 at 9660-8-N-1 > > how do configure, change appropriate settings, etc? > anything else special I need to be aware of? > > yes, I have read the "Help" file, but got very confused. ----------- First you need to configure the connection channel, COM1 in your case. SET PORT COM1, SET SPEED 9600, SET PARITY NONE. That's 9600 we presume. SHOW COMM to see current settings. If you have to dial a phone then use the dialer material shipped with MS-DOS Kermit. Once the connection is going then TRANSMIT filespec. If you are uncertain about what to type in a command then press the query mark (question mark) key to get all the things that fit at that point, even in the middle of a word. That's called context sensitive help. It's easier than it looks, the second time round. Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 17 11:45:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00651 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07936 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:35:44 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Help on C-Kermit ... Date: 17 Mar 1999 16:35:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7colkv$7nu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36EF3D5F.476665CC@tyr.mty.itesm.mx>, Victor Acevedo wrote: : I have a problem , I'm using C-Kermit to make a phone connection, but I : can't configure my modem properly, I think the problem is related to the : assignation of the port .. Any idea ? : What commands did you give? What error messages did you get? What version of C-Kermit do you have? On what hardware, OS, and version? What kind of modem? See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html for information about C-Kermit: the latest version, documentation, how to get support, etc. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 17 14:45:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02208 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18099 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:40:18 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Jeff Rapp" Subject: Kermit95 for NT on Microsoft Terminal Server w\Metaframe Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:38:59 -0500 Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland OH (USA) Message-ID: <7cp0ej$n1r$1@pale-rider.INS.CWRU.Edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings, Has anyone had any experience with running Kermit95 for NT on WTS w\Metaframe (or without Metaframe)? I have a client that has need to connect to an IBM RS6000 running AIX 4.3. Any Guidance would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeff Rapp BCG Systems, Inc. mailto:jeffr@bcgsys.com From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 17 15:45:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22722 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20029 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:18:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Kermit95 for NT on Microsoft Terminal Server w\Metaframe Date: 17 Mar 1999 20:18:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7cp2m0$jhq$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7cp0ej$n1r$1@pale-rider.ins.cwru.edu>, Jeff Rapp wrote: : Greetings, : : Has anyone had any experience with running Kermit95 for NT on WTS : w\Metaframe (or without Metaframe)? : I have a client that has need to connect to an IBM RS6000 running AIX 4.3. : : Any Guidance would be appreciated. : : Thanks, : : Jeff Rapp : BCG Systems, Inc. : mailto:jeffr@bcgsys.com : : : What is your question? K95 runs on NT Terminal Server just like any other Windows application. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 17 15:45:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22725 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:45:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20012 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:17:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <36F00DBD.F35865F8@usit.net> From: ERA Computer Consulting Organization: ERA Computer Consulting Subject: Re: GPF trying to REXEC Kermit/2 under Warp 4 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:18:50 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <36ECADC1.86AA9007@usit.net>, > ERA Computer Consulting wrote: > : ... > : As you can see their version is quite old. I have requested that they > : update to 6.0.192 but I'm told they have to get permission from > : Columbia U... > : > No, ISPs do not have to get permission to install Kermit for their users > to use. That is excellent news! I'm forwarding a copy of this to the sysadm contact at my ISP right now. > : ... install, test, do a study of the test and then ok or > : deny the upgrade. I'm told as well this will take up to six months to > : complete. > : > Evidently they do not know that C-Kermit is one of the most widely tested > and best supported software packages available to them. But I'm impressed > that they would devote their legions of technical staff to such a rigorous > testing program, to protect their users from contamination by bugs. I hope > if they find any, they will report them to us. Of course by then 7.0 will > be released... Granted. However, the person who told me the above was *not* a sysadm at the ISP but a helpdesk / help newsgroup employee so his information is suspect. I have yet to have a GA c-kermit binary cause me any trouble under Unix. -- Gene Alexander -- +==========================-=>Team OS/2<=-==========================+ # Owner and C.E.O. - ERA Computer Consulting - Jackson, TN USA # #Providing IBM OS/2 and SCO OpenServer Business Computing Solutions# # visit our www pages at http://www.townsendsupply.com/era/ # +===================================================================+ The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 46 Processes with 154 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 2h 4m 46s 900ms. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 17 19:15:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28539 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:15:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01521 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:52:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <36F02842.81F5FB94@direct.A2000.nl> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:10:10 +0100 From: Job Eisses Subject: Re: Help: binary C-kermit needed To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <7cc5r1$u8d$1@duke.telepac.pt>, > Antonio Azevedo wrote: > : I'm looking for a binary version of c-kermit > : to use in an (very) old Philips P9050, > : running UNIX AT&T sys3R5. > : The processor of this computer is a > : Motorola 68020. > : > : A few years ago I found it. and I loaded it. > : > : Unfortunatly, I don't have it anymore, and I > : cannot find it in the net. > : > : Any help / tips on this would be appreciated for > : a.azevedo@mail.telepac.pt or filmi@mail.telepac.pt > : > We don't have one here. If anybody has one of these > systems with a C compiler and can make a binary from > the C-Kermit 6.0 source code: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html > > or better still, from the C-Kermit 7.0 sources: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html > > please contact me so I can add it to the archive. > > For that matter, if anybody can make *any* C-Kermit > binaries that are not listed in the aforementioned > web pages, please let me know. There is a small chance that the ICL DRS400 version might work; it is (rather was) also a 68020 running sys5r2, might run on sys5r3 too (which is probably what you meant, i doubt if there ever was a sys3 on 68020). I can dig up a "4E" kermit binary, 129925 bytes , Jul 9 1993 - if you want to try, mail me. -job From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 18 17:45:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18600 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA07826 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:23:35 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Z-Modem Date: 18 Mar 1999 22:23:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7crud6$7kf$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36F17661.5697C0F5@luna-park.de>, Ulrich Wisser wrote: : really newbie. I didn't find in the docs how to send : files via z-modem. : I use c-kermit on Linux 2.0.36 : "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html Chapter 14, plus the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt Section on Zmodem. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 18 17:45:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18610 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:45:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA07508 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:18:56 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <36F17661.5697C0F5@luna-park.de> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:55:45 +0100 From: Ulrich Wisser Organization: luna-park, Bravo Sanchez, Vollmert, Wisser GbR Subject: Z-Modem To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, really newbie. I didn't find in the docs how to send files via z-modem. I use c-kermit on Linux 2.0.36 Thanks Ulli -- ----------------- Die Website Effizienzer ------------------ luna-park Bravo Sanchez, Vollmert, Wisser GbR Ulrich Wisser Tel +49-228-9654055 Alter Schlachthof, Immenburgstr. 20 Fax +49-228-9654057 D-53121 Bonn http://www.luna-park.de ------------------------------------------------------------ From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 19 00:45:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26780 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA28770 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:15:50 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Antonio Azevedo" Subject: Re: Help: binary C-kermit needed ( SOLVED ) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:07:55 -0000 Organization: IGACARGO Message-ID: <7csltg$k3h$1@duke.telepac.pt> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Thanks to all of you who answer me. It happened that I found a 10 y old backup with the binary on it ... I was lucky. If some of you need a copy of it, please send an email to me at a.azevedo@mail.telepac.pt and I will be glad to send it. Once again, many thanks. Regards Antonio Azevedo Porto Portugal From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 19 05:15:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA24050 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA10854 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:50:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: philip.hibbs@tnt.co.uk Subject: Procomm Kermit Nak Problem Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:36:32 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7ct5qv$g0k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using procomm plus for dos, connecting via a modem to a unix box, and doing Kermit file transfers. I'm getting a load of nak packets, and don't know what to do about it. Does anyone have any advice on how to diagnose the problem? I don't have any info on the procomm plus implimentation of Kermit, what options are availablt etc, or the unix side. Cheers, Phil. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 19 09:15:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26664 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13037 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:13:07 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <36F25B23.CD128D6A@usit.net> From: ERA Computer Consulting Organization: ERA Computer Consulting Subject: Re: Procomm Kermit Nak Problem Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:13:40 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Phil, Get MS-DOS Kermit (I don't know where to find that one) or since you are using Windows 9x/NT get Kermit-95 from Columbia U at - http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html <-general info http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95ofront.html <-order form Do away with the Procomm. In my experience the Kermit implementation in Procomm is poor and if you're using Procomm for Windows 9x/NT it's major bloatware. You might want to upgrade the Kermit on the Unix box as well if it's older than 6.0.192 if you have privilege to do so or have the ear of the Unix administrator(s). philip.hibbs@tnt.co.uk wrote: > > I'm using procomm plus for dos, connecting via a modem to a unix box, > and doing Kermit file transfers. I'm getting a load of nak packets, and > don't know what to do about it. Does anyone have any advice on how to > diagnose the problem? I don't have any info on the procomm plus implimentation > of Kermit, what options are availablt etc, or the unix side. > > Cheers, > > Phil. (message was posted and e-mailed) -- Gene Alexander -- +==========================-=>Team OS/2<=-==========================+ # Owner and C.E.O. - ERA Computer Consulting - Jackson, TN USA # #Providing IBM OS/2 and SCO OpenServer Business Computing Solutions# # visit our www pages at http://www.townsendsupply.com/era/ # +===================================================================+ The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 47 Processes with 159 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 23h 52m 5s 931ms. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 19 10:45:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24707 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17762 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:44:35 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@98.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Procomm Kermit Nak Problem Date: 19 Mar 1999 15:43:35 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7ctrb7$bc2$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ERA Computer Consulting (era@usit.net) wrote: : Get MS-DOS Kermit (I don't know where to find that one) or since you : are using Windows 9x/NT get Kermit-95 from Columbia U at - : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html <-general info : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95ofront.html <-order form Of Course MSDOS Kermit is available for free download from the same site... Just back off the name a bit. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit And while you're there, you might check to see if your unix version is the latest. There are binaries on line for most Unix systems. : Do away with the Procomm. In my experience the Kermit implementation : in Procomm is poor and if you're using Procomm for Windows 9x/NT it's : major bloatware. You might want to upgrade the Kermit on the Unix Procomm Plus... The Kermit implementation used to stink, but now it's okay, but bloatware is certainly an apt description. I am forced to use PCPlus for Win95 to keep AirTouch Paging happy. They won't accept pager activations from Kermit-95. Even though I _tried_ to do a custom install, only installing the terminal stuff, it still installed the PCPlus browser as my default web browser so I could view online help files. The only good thing about PCPlus is the ftp transfer, which is a nice Explorer-like GUI display of both systems directories. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 19 11:15:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03909 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17997 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:50:35 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@18.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Help: binary C-kermit needed ( SOLVED ) Date: 19 Mar 1999 15:45:27 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7ctren$bcj$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Antonio Azevedo (filmi@mail.telepac.pt) wrote: : If some of you need a copy of it, please : send an email to me at a.azevedo@mail.telepac.pt : and I will be glad to send it. I think Frank already asked for a copy to put online at columbia.edu At columbia, it would be easy to find, at the official source. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 19 11:45:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14134 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20625 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:43:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dn5006@my-dejanews.com Subject: Associative Array in Kermit 95 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:27:07 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7cttsc$47f$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Associative array is a very useful feature in scripting language, it enables Perl, Tcl etc. the implementation of comlex data structures. The following script demonstrates that associative array can also be crafted in Kermit 95. The script counts the unique words in a regular english, french, german, etc. text file. open read testfile.txt if fail end 1 Can't not open testfile.txt assign \%n 0 ; init register while true { read \%l ; read each line if fail break ; until the end of file while > \flength(\%l) 0 { assign \%w \fbreak(\%l,{ }) ; split on space xif defined \m(\%w) { ; word already seen? _assign \%w \feval(\m(\%w) + 1) ; incr count this word } else { _assign \%w 1 ; init count this word increment \%n ; next register _assign \%n \%w ; register this word } assign \%l \fltrim(\fright(\%l,\feval(\flength(\%l) - \flength (\%w)))) ; shift to next word } } for \%k 1 \%n 1 { assign \%w \m(\%k) ; get word from register echo <\m(\%w)> \%w ; display occurences } This approach avoids the use of array which has to be declared in advance. The script does not take into account the non alphanumeric characters. Dat Nguyen Airline Telecommunications and Information Services 770 Sherbrooke West Montreal, Quebec Canada H3A 1G1 Email dat.nguyen&sita.int -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 19 12:15:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22114 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA21965 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:08:50 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Associative Array in Kermit 95 Date: 19 Mar 1999 17:08:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7cu0b1$lea$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7cttsc$47f$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : Associative array is a very useful feature in scripting language, it enables : Perl, Tcl etc. the implementation of comlex data structures. The following : script demonstrates that associative array can also be crafted in Kermit : 95. The script counts the unique words in a regular english, french, german, : etc. text file. : : open read testfile.txt : if fail end 1 Can't open testfile.txt : assign \%n 0 ; init register : while true { : read \%l ; read each line : if fail break ; until the end of file : while > \flength(\%l) 0 { : assign \%w \fbreak(\%l,{ }) ; split on space : xif defined \m(\%w) { ; word already seen? : _assign \%w \feval(\m(\%w) + 1) ; incr count this word : } else { : _assign \%w 1 ; init count this word : increment \%n ; next register : _assign \%n \%w ; register this word : } : assign \%l \fltrim(\fright(\%l,- : \feval(\flength(\%l)-\flength(\%w)))) ; shift to next word : } : } : for \%k 1 \%n 1 { : assign \%w \m(\%k) ; get word from register : echo <\m(\%w)> \%w ; display occurences : } : : This approach avoids the use of array which has to be declared in advance. : The script does not take into account the non alphanumeric characters. : : Dat Nguyen : Airline Telecommunications and Information Services : 770 Sherbrooke West : Montreal, Quebec : Canada H3A 1G1 : Email dat.nguyen&sita.int : Excellent! I've had associative arrays on my list for quite a while, but the list so long and time so short. I've reformatted your script to fit in 80 columns. We plan to add a script library to the Kermit website -- this one will certainly go into it. Other submissions are welcome too; send them in! (Be sure to document the Kermit program and version and other relevant info.) A quick glance shows this script doesn't use any new (post-C-Kermit-6.0) features, some of which would make it simpler and faster, for example the new \fword() and \fsplit() functions for extracting words from strings, with specified break masks (e.g. to make sure punctuation does not count as part of word (e.g. "thing" and "thing."). Also you can convert each word to lowercase with \flower() so "Thing", "thing", and "THING" count as the same word, etc. Readers should take special note of the "_assign" verb, which is subtly different from "assign" (see p.457 of the manual). - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 19 13:45:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20949 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:45:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA25450 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:17:45 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Thomas" Subject: how to control speed of ftp under os/2 Date: 19 Mar 1999 13:45:47 GMT Organization: HKSTAR Internet Ltd. Message-ID: <01be720e$cbdfc120$eff252ca@default> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to control the speed of ftp under os/2? Is there any method? From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 19 14:15:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29385 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27118 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:51:43 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: how to control speed of ftp under os/2 Date: 19 Mar 1999 18:51:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7cu6bt$qfb$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01be720e$cbdfc120$eff252ca@default>, Thomas wrote: : I want to control the speed of ftp under os/2? Is there any method? You mean you want to limit the bandwidth of a process across a limited width tcp/ip channel? Unless your FTP client has a throttle to only send so many bytes per second you will have to wait until IPv6 is widely distributed. Using Kermit protocol you can place a SET SEND PAUSE to specify a certain number of milliseconds to wait between each packet is sent. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 19 15:45:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00387 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:45:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03092 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:44:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Jeff Rapp" Subject: Re: Kermit95 for NT on Microsoft Terminal Server w\Metaframe Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:41:45 -0500 Organization: BCG Systems, Inc. Message-ID: <7cucum$5qd$1@pale-rider.INS.CWRU.Edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Not all Windows programs run, or run unmodified, in Windows Terminal Server. The question is, can Kermit95 run unmodified in a client session? Does anyone have real, as opposed to theoretical, experience with this? If not, can I get a demo copy to test it before I recommend it to a 150 seat client? Jeffrey Altman wrote in message news:7cp2m0$jhq$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... > In article <7cp0ej$n1r$1@pale-rider.ins.cwru.edu>, > Jeff Rapp wrote: > : Greetings, > : > : Has anyone had any experience with running Kermit95 for NT on WTS > : w\Metaframe (or without Metaframe)? > : I have a client that has need to connect to an IBM RS6000 running AIX 4.3. > : > : Any Guidance would be appreciated. > : > : Thanks, > : > : Jeff Rapp > : BCG Systems, Inc. > : mailto:jeffr@bcgsys.com > : > : > : > > > What is your question? K95 runs on NT Terminal Server just like any > other Windows application. > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Mar 19 16:15:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09229 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03300 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:49:15 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit95 for NT on Microsoft Terminal Server w\Metaframe Date: 19 Mar 1999 20:49:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7cud8a$371$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7cucum$5qd$1@pale-rider.INS.CWRU.Edu>, Jeff Rapp wrote: : Not all Windows programs run, or run unmodified, in Windows Terminal Server. : The question is, can Kermit95 run unmodified in a client session? Does : anyone have real, as opposed to theoretical, experience with this? : Hopefully somebody who has first-hand experience will respond. : If not, can I get a demo copy to test it before I recommend it to a 150 : seat client? : We'll contact you offline about this. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 20 09:45:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29009 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA22656 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:41:58 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Doug News" Subject: Modem disconnect SCO 5.0.5 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:43:01 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <7d0c2v$pn8$1@camel15.mindspring.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am working with a SCO Open Server 5.0.5 system using kermit version 5A (189) 30 June 1993. It is used to dial into other SCO systems and transfer files and work online. It was working file with version 5.0.2 and now the system is been updated to 5.0.5.. The problem is when you disconnect the kermit session it does not disconnecty cleanly and leaves a lock on the port. When connected to the remote system and you exit it does not return to the command prompt and you have to hit Ctrl\+c several times and then it will quit but leaves a lock. Any Ideas? Do we need Kermit 6.0/7? Doug Satterfield From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 20 11:15:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13895 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA25885 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:57:31 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Modem disconnect SCO 5.0.5 Date: 20 Mar 1999 15:57:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7d0gha$p8q$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7d0c2v$pn8$1@camel15.mindspring.com>, Doug News wrote: : I am working with a SCO Open Server 5.0.5 system using kermit version 5A : (189) 30 June 1993. It is used to dial into other SCO systems and transfer : files and work online. It was working file with version 5.0.2 and now the : system is been updated to 5.0.5.. The problem is when you disconnect the : kermit session it does not disconnecty cleanly and leaves a lock on the : port. : : When connected to the remote system and you exit it does not return to the : command prompt and you have to hit Ctrl\+c several times and then it will : quit but leaves a lock. : : Any Ideas? Do we need Kermit 6.0/7? : Yes. Please try version 7.0 Beta: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 20 11:45:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22094 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27051 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:24:37 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: In need of VT320 terminal emulation on Linux Date: 20 Mar 1999 16:24:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7d0i44$qd8$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7cuco1$m9n$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : In article , : stufuller@usa.net wrote: : > Are you sure that you need a VT320 emulator? Most software of this ilk is : > happy with a VT200 emulator, or even a VT100 emulator. The VT320 is a : > superset of the VT100/200, but most software on VMS is geared toward the : > 100 or 200. Actually, most software on VMS is geared toward ANSI : > compilant terminals, which the 100/200/300 are. : > : > If you're using the X Window System, then "xterm" is probably sufficient : > for your needs. Just start up an xterm, and telnet from there. I believe : > that the Linux console is also sufficient. : : The VAX I'm connecting to specific states it runs VT320 emulation. I : believed that simple VT100/200/200/etc would work as well, but the : maintenance software for the card catalog system involves the use of the : "PF1" key to navigate menus as well as the keyboard keys. Using VT220 and : pressing the plain F1 key on the PC keyboard it reacts as if you pressed : "PF1" in the telnet session. After using, the menuing interface for a while, : however, the emulation stops working and the PF1 and arrow keys stop working. : It's a very old VAX system run by the government (surprise) to manage : school's library, grading, etc. systems. Perhaps there is a way to emulate : the keyboard or load another key map? I have found surprisingly few : commercial VT320 emulation packages too, though that would work if one : existed. : There are several aspects to VT terminal emulation: 1. To format the screen according to the incoming escape sequences (and to perform other escape-sequence driven operations, like printing, sending reports to the host, etc). 2. To map the PC keyboard to the VT terminal keyboard and then send what the PC keys would have sent. 3. To transmit and receive data to/from the host. On PC operating systems like DOS and Windows, these functions are handled by the same program (such as MS-DOS Kermit or Kermit 95). In UNIX (including Linux), however, items 1 and 2 are handled by your console driver or terminal window; item 3 is handled by a communication program like C-Kermit, cu, telnet, rlogin, etc (Kermit combines the functions of cu, telnet, and rlogin and adds scripting, file transfer, and character-set translation). Most PC UNIX console drivers are "ANSI" rather than VT. Most xterm windows are VT100 rather than VT220 or higher. Both ANSI and VT100 lack the keys of the VT220 / 320. However it is not clear that your VMS application needs them. Most VMS applications support any VT terminal, VT100 or higher, and sometimes also lower (VT52, VT50, etc, not to mention hardcopy terminals like LA34, LA36). Most VMS systems send a "what are you?" escape sequence when you log in to find out your terminal type. In case this didn't happen, you can also use SET TERMINAL /DEVICE=blah to tell it what kind you actually have. Note that VT100 and higher have PF1-4 keys. VT220 adds a bunch of other keys (F keys, editing keys, etc). A VT220 xterm is available from: http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey/xterm/xterm.faq.html Kermit is available from: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 21 04:15:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA28172 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA13518 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:06:58 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Tim Hedger Subject: Display Type Problem Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 09:04:35 +0000 Organization: WestonPark Message-ID: <36F4B623.2B864FE2@globalnet.co.uk> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I start Kermit, I get the following message:

Warning: terminal type unknown: "xterm"
Fullscreen file transfer display disabled.

I've tried every type of terminal I can think of - but I always get the same message.
What terminal types does kermit support?

(I'm sorry I have asked the question on this newsgroup before, but I've been away and I missed the reply) 

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  From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 21 11:15:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00252 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:15:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01673 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:55:36 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Display Type Problem Date: 21 Mar 1999 15:55:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7d34pm$1k6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36F4B623.2B864FE2@globalnet.co.uk>, Tim Hedger wrote: : : : When I start Kermit, I get the following message: :

Warning: terminal type unknown: "xterm" :
Fullscreen file transfer display disabled. :

I've tried every type of terminal I can think of - but I always get : the same message. :
What terminal types does kermit support? :

(I'm sorry I have asked the question on this newsgroup before, but I've : been away and I missed the reply) : 

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:   : This is a bug that will be fixed in C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.05, to be announced shortly. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 21 12:15:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14292 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05202 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:10:06 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "T.E.Dickey" Subject: Re: In need of VT320 terminal emulation on Linux Date: 21 Mar 1999 17:08:59 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA Message-ID: <7d393b$89b$1@callisto.clark.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In comp.os.linux.networking Frank da Cruz wrote: > There are several aspects to VT terminal emulation: > 2. To map the PC keyboard to the VT terminal keyboard and then send what > the PC keys would have sent. This is a point that most people miss - XFree86 xterm usually is run on a PC keyboard, so people expect it to do odd things with the delete (and backarrow) keys. Numlock is another problem. (No one's entirely happy with the compromises). -- Thomas E. Dickey dickey@clark.net http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 21 17:45:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06379 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA20711 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:33:06 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.05 Ready for Testing Date: 21 Mar 1999 22:33:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7d3s30$k6h$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In case you didn't look at C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.04 (the first public Beta, announced on January 30th), see the C-Kermit 7.0 Web page for list of what's new since C-Kermit 6.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html Here is what's new in Beta.05: File Transfer: . Default file type changed from TEXT to BINARY. . RESEND and REGET commands now include an implicit /BINARY switch. . Ditto for SEND /RECOVER and GET /RECOVER. . Like-to-like transfers are now binary unless character sets translated. . Added GET and RECEIVE /MOVE-TO: and /RENAME-TO:, allowing incoming files to be moved or renamed when and only when they have been received successfully. . SET RECEIVE PATHNAMES AUTO lets SEND /RECURSIVE automatically set RECEIVE PATHMAMES RELATIVE in the receiver. . SET FILE INCOMPLETE AUTO added: keeps incompletely received files only for binary-mode transfers. . SEND /DOTFILES and SEND /NODOTFILES added for UNIX. . SHOW TRANSFER added to display all SET TRANSFER items. . Ctrl-Z added to default prefixing list for old UNIX hosts and/or Kermits. . LF added to default prefixing list for "rlogin in the middle" connections. . Ctrl-D and Ctrl-U prefixed by default for rlogin-in-the-middle. . Transaction log is now unbuffered (e.g. for "tail -f transact.log") . Hints added for file-transfer failures, etc, plus SET HINTS { ON, OFF }. Communications: . Better support for dialing without flow control. . Automatic redial no longer unnecessarily re-initializes the modem. . Kermit/Modem dialog streamlined. . SET FLOW [ { /REMOTE, /MODEM, /TCP, /DIRECT, ... } ] allows flow control to be specified separately for each kind of connection. . Kerberized Rlogin (ask us about this -- it's not in the public files). . Numerous Kerberos/SRP/etc improvements (ask about these). File Management: . New PURGE command for deleting excess backup files. . DIRECTORY command performance improvements. . Better handling of symlinks in UNIX DIRECTORY command. VMS: . New support for PRN files in VMS. . { DIRECTORY, SEND, ... } /RECURSIVE added for VMS. . Various other corrections and adjustments to VMS DIRECTORY command. . VMS search list now recognized as a directory, e.g. in CD SYS$MANAGER. . Connection log enabled for VMS. . Filenames in VMS fullscreen transfer display streamlined to fit better. Miscellaneous: . Various IKSD improvements. . Updated HELP text, docs, etc. . Many new #ifdefs to accommodate missing library functions, etc. . New ability to build a scripting-only version with no file transfer (!). . Improved "make install" target for UNIX. New platforms: . VMS 7.2 . SCO XENIX 2.3.4 . DG/UX 5.4R3.10 and R4.11. . DYNIX/ptx 4.4.2 Bugs fixed: . File collision / backup-file name calculation on 14-char file systems fixed. . Erroneously-converted filenames on like-to-like REGETs fixed. . Numerous problems with dialing out from a VMS serial port fixed. . VMS IKSD client fixed. . VMS/UCX TCP/IP transfers hanging at end fixed. . VMS "show communications" failure to show serial speed fixed. . VMS build procedure fixed to autodetect needed for u_int. . Server side of REMOTE DIRECTORY sometimes omitted some fields, fixed. . Various Telnet protocol bugs fixed. . Numerous problems with recursive UNIX directory traversal fixed. . Loss of command echoing after file transfer on Linux and AIX 4.1 fixed. . Broken window-size change interrupt (SIGWINCH) handling fixed. . Inconsistent formatting of \v(lockdir) fixed. . HP-UX 5.00 + Wollongong TCP/IP build was broken in Beta.04, now fixed. . Numerous complaint-reduction adjustments to syntax. . UNIX version now ignores BRKINT (BREAK/RESET key, e.g. on HP workstation). . UUCP line locking was broken in AIX 3.2. . Pointless "Unknown terminal type: blah" message removed. . Spurious "DELETE is Disabled" message removed. . Spurious "Session Limit Exceeded" message removed. . Still More Spurious "OK to exit?" messages removed. . Inconsistent horizontal lines around CONNECT/command transitions fixed. . Core dumps when attempting to write wtmp record and peer not in DNS. . Occasional core dumps when debugging. Known problems: . Switch names / options for DELETE and PURGE are inconsistent. . Hint after failed network connections erroneously assumes Rlogin. . VMS version crashes when told to "telnet blah 0". . Problems with \v(model) variable in some HP-UX versions. Special thanks to Peter Eichhorn & Lucas Hart for their thorough and painstaking analysis, reports, and suggestions (and from Lucas, also new code for the VMS version). And to Hunter Goatley and Richard Levitte for lots of help and advice with VMS. Ditto to JP Radley for SCO. And to those who provided guest IDs on platforms I don't otherwise have access to for building and testing. And as always to Jeff Altman for his many contributions to the design and the code, and for finding and fixing so many bugs. To get the new files, including about individual 80 prebuilt binaries (so far), visit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html Please report any problems to kermit-support@columbia.edu. If you can contribute any binaries that are not already listed on the Web page (or that are not at Beta.05 level), please let me know. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 22 02:45:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA22126 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 02:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA16220 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 02:20:17 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Mark Sapiro Subject: Re: Associative Array in Kermit 95 Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 23:10:29 -0800 Organization: Not Very Much Message-ID: <36F5ECE5.5E8A07D1@value.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: >> In article <7cttsc$47f$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : Associative array is a very useful feature in scripting language, it enables : Perl, Tcl etc. the implementation of comlex data structures. The following : script demonstrates that associative array can also be crafted in Kermit : 95. The script counts the unique words in a regular english, french, german, : etc. text file. : : open read testfile.txt : if fail end 1 Can't open testfile.txt : assign \%n 0 ; init register : while true { : read \%l ; read each line : if fail break ; until the end of file : while > \flength(\%l) 0 { : assign \%w \fbreak(\%l,{ }) ; split on space : xif defined \m(\%w) { ; word already seen? : _assign \%w \feval(\m(\%w) + 1) ; incr count this word : } else { : _assign \%w 1 ; init count this word : increment \%n ; next register : _assign \%n \%w ; register this word : } : assign \%l \fltrim(\fright(\%l,- : \feval(\flength(\%l)-\flength(\%w)))) ; shift to next word : } : } : for \%k 1 \%n 1 { : assign \%w \m(\%k) ; get word from register : echo <\m(\%w)> \%w ; display occurences : } : : This approach avoids the use of array which has to be declared in advance. : The script does not take into account the non alphanumeric characters. : : Dat Nguyen : Airline Telecommunications and Information Services : 770 Sherbrooke West : Montreal, Quebec : Canada H3A 1G1 : Email dat.nguyen&sita.int : Excellent! I've had associative arrays on my list for quite a while, but the list so long and time so short. I've reformatted your script to fit in 80 columns. We plan to add a script library to the Kermit website -- this one will certainly go into it. Other submissions are welcome too; send them in! (Be sure to document the Kermit program and version and other relevant info.) A quick glance shows this script doesn't use any new (post-C-Kermit-6.0) features, some of which would make it simpler and faster, for example the new \fword() and \fsplit() functions for extracting words from strings, with specified break masks (e.g. to make sure punctuation does not count as part of word (e.g. "thing" and "thing."). Also you can convert each word to lowercase with \flower() so "Thing", "thing", and "THING" count as the same word, etc. Readers should take special note of the "_assign" verb, which is subtly different from "assign" (see p.457 of the manual). - Frank >> There is a problem with the above approach to implementing associative arrays. Namely, if one of the 'words' used as an index happens to be equal to or an initial substring of a pre-defined macro (e.g. "cautious" or "robust") or one of the macros that gets defined implicitly when certain programming constructs are used (e.g. "break " or "continue"), the "xif defined" test gives the "wrong" result and the word doesn't get counted (although the macro 'word' does get (re-)defined, most likely with an error message from \feval()). This problem could probably be avoided by prepending some prefix to each word before using it as a macro name. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 22 11:16:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14226 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02385 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:10:28 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dn5006@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: Associative Array in Kermit 95 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:02:44 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7d5pit$on3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36F5ECE5.5E8A07D1@value.net>, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Frank da Cruz wrote: > >> > In article <7cttsc$47f$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: > > : Associative array is a very useful feature in scripting language, it enables > : Perl, Tcl etc. the implementation of comlex data structures. The following > : script demonstrates that associative array can also be crafted in Kermit > : 95. The script counts the unique words in a regular english, french, german, > : etc. text file. > : > : open read testfile.txt > : if fail end 1 Can't open testfile.txt > : assign \%n 0 ; init register > : while true { > : read \%l ; read each line > : if fail break ; until the end of file > : while > \flength(\%l) 0 { > : assign \%w \fbreak(\%l,{ }) ; split on space > : xif defined \m(\%w) { ; word already seen? > : _assign \%w \feval(\m(\%w) + 1) ; incr count this word > : } else { > : _assign \%w 1 ; init count this word > : increment \%n ; next register > : _assign \%n \%w ; register this word > : } > : assign \%l \fltrim(\fright(\%l,- > : \feval(\flength(\%l)-\flength(\%w)))) ; shift to next word > : } > : } > : for \%k 1 \%n 1 { > : assign \%w \m(\%k) ; get word from register > : echo <\m(\%w)> \%w ; display occurences > : } > : > : This approach avoids the use of array which has to be declared in advance. > : The script does not take into account the non alphanumeric characters. > : > : Dat Nguyen > : Airline Telecommunications and Information Services > : 770 Sherbrooke West > : Montreal, Quebec > : Canada H3A 1G1 > : Email dat.nguyen&sita.int > : > Excellent! I've had associative arrays on my list for quite a while, but > the list so long and time so short. I've reformatted your script to fit > in 80 columns. > > We plan to add a script library to the Kermit website -- this one will > certainly go into it. Other submissions are welcome too; send them in! > (Be sure to document the Kermit program and version and other relevant > info.) > > A quick glance shows this script doesn't use any new (post-C-Kermit-6.0) > features, some of which would make it simpler and faster, for example > the new \fword() and \fsplit() functions for extracting words from strings, > with specified break masks (e.g. to make sure punctuation does not count > as part of word (e.g. "thing" and "thing."). Also you can convert each > word to lowercase with \flower() so "Thing", "thing", and "THING" count as > the same word, etc. > > Readers should take special note of the "_assign" verb, which is subtly > different from "assign" (see p.457 of the manual). > > - Frank > >> > > There is a problem with the above approach to implementing associative > arrays. Namely, if one of the 'words' used as an index happens to be > equal to or an initial substring of a pre-defined macro (e.g. "cautious" or > "robust") or one of the macros that gets defined implicitly when certain > programming constructs are used (e.g. "break " or "continue"), the > "xif defined" test gives the "wrong" result and the word doesn't get > counted (although the macro 'word' does get (re-)defined, most likely > with an error message from \feval()). > > This problem could probably be avoided by prepending some prefix to > each word before using it as a macro name. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > That's right, and I was about to improve the script as follows (but it still won't eliminate the collision 100%): open read testfile.txt if fail end 1 Can't not open testfile.txt assign \%n 0 while true { read \%l if fail break echo \%l while > \flength(\%l) 0 { assign \%w \fbreak(\%l,{ }) xif defined \m(word_count[\%w]) { _assign word_count[\%w] \feval(\m(word_count[\%w])+1) } else { _assign word_count[\%w] 1 increment \%n _assign word_reg[\%n] \%w } assign \%l \fltrim(\fright(\%l,- \feval(\flength(\%l)-\flength(\%w)))) } } for \%k 1 \%n 1 { assign \%w \m(word_reg[\%k]) echo <\m(word_count[\%w])> \%w } Dat Nguyen Airline Telecommunications and Information Services 770 Sherbrooke West Montreal, Quebec Canada H3A 1G1 Email dat.nguyen&sita.int -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 22 11:46:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25757 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04063 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:27:45 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: trb@user2.teleport.com (Tony R. Bennett) Subject: modem pool Organization: Teleport Internet Services Message-ID: <7d5r06$kgv$1@user2.teleport.com> Date: 22 Mar 1999 08:26:46 -0800 To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Platform: C-kermit 6.0 running on AIX 4.3.1 Has anyone created a kermrc file that will perform a 'set line' command from a 'pool' of ports...??? If not (I can do it from a script) is there a way to from within Kermit to run a UNIX 'script' and capture the UNIX script's output and use it as the device in a 'set line' command ??? Thanks, Tony -- Anti-spam filter: I am not root@localhost trb@teleport dot com COM Public Access User --- Not affiliated with Teleport From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 22 11:46:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25771 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA03469 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:20:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dn5006@my-dejanews.com Subject: Matrix Operations in Kermit 95 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:12:25 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7d5q50$p86$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ; MATRIX IS AN ESSENTIAL ELEMENT OF MANY COMPUTING AREAS. ; KERMIT 95 CAN DO MATRIX OPERATIONS PLEASENTLY EASILY. ; THE FOLLOWING SCRIPT CREATES TWO MATRICES A AND B, ; THEN COMPUTES THEIR SUM: MATRIX C. ; THE USER-DEFINED FUNCTION display_matrix REQUIRES ONLY ; THE NAME OF THE MATRIX. THE SAME IS WITH undefine_matrix. assign row 4 assign col 9 ; CREATE MATRIX A AND MATRIX B for \%r 1 \m(row) 1 { for \%c 1 \m(col) 1 { _assign A[\%r][\%c] \feval(\%r + \%c) _assign B[\%r][\%c] \feval(\%r * \%c) } } ; CREATE MATRIX C = SUM OF MATRIX A AND MATRIX B for \%r 1 \m(row) 1 { for \%c 1 \m(col) 1 { _assign C[\%r][\%c]- \feval(\m(A[\%r][\%c]) + \m(B[\%r][\%c])) } } ; GIVEN THE NAME OF A MATRIX, DISPLAY IT IN ROWS & COLUMNS ; NO NEED FOR THE DIMENSION OF THE MATRIX define display_matrix { local \%r \%c \%z assign \%r 1 assign \%c 1 while define \m(\%1[\%r][\%c]) { while define \m(\%1[\%r][\%c]) { assign \%z \%z \m(\%1[\%r][\%c]) increment \%c } echo \%z undefine \%z increment \%r assign \%c 1 } } echo Matrix A display_matrix A echo Matrix B display_matrix B echo Matrix A + Matrix B display_matrix C ; GIVEN THE NAME OF A MATRIX, UNDEFINE IT. ; NO NEED FOR THE DIMENSION OF THE MATRIX define undefine_matrix { local \%r \%c \%z assign \%r 1 assign \%c 1 while define \m(\%1[\%r][\%c]) { while define \m(\%1[\%r][\%c]) { _define \%1[\%r][\%c] increment \%c } increment \%r assign \%c 1 } } undefine_matrix A undefine_matrix B undefine_matrix C Dat Nguyen Airline Telecommunications and Information Services 770 Sherbrooke West Montreal, Quebec Canada H3A 1G1 Email dat.nguyen&sita.int -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 22 13:46:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04791 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11058 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:30:20 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: modem pool Date: 22 Mar 1999 18:30:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7d627l$apd$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7d5r06$kgv$1@user2.teleport.com>, Tony R. Bennett wrote: : Platform: C-kermit 6.0 running on AIX 4.3.1 : : Has anyone created a kermrc file that will perform a 'set line' command : from a 'pool' of ports...??? : It's very easy, but first you have to know the names of the ports in the pool. Then just do: set line /dev/tty01 if success goto ok set line /dev/tty02 if success goto ok ... :OK Of course you can also get the device names from a file: set modem type generic ; Specify some kind of modem open read xxx ; Where xxx is the filename if fail stop 1 Can't open devices file while true { read devname if fail break echo Trying \m(devname)... set line \m(devname) if success goto ok } close read stop 1 No devices are available - try again later :OK set speed 57600 ; Have device - set it up. To be even fancier, you can read the UUCP Devices file and parse it to get the device name, speed, and modem type. Left as an exercise to the reader :-) (Feel free to post. But note that these files tend to vary in format from platform to platform, version to verion). : If not (I can do it from a script) is there a way to from within Kermit : to run a UNIX 'script' and capture the UNIX script's output and use it : as the device in a 'set line' command ??? : You can do that too in C-Kermit 7.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html The new functions \fcommand(unix-command) and \frcommand(unix-command) return the output from the UNIX command supplied as an argument. See the ckermit2.txt file that comes with C-Kermit 7.0 (currently in Beta test) for details. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 23 09:46:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20783 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA12470 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:23:04 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: [Fwd: Using Kermit] Date: 23 Mar 1999 14:23:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7d8847$c5j$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <36F71A74.2532327A@tyr.mty.itesm.mx>, Victor Acevedo wrote: : Has anyone written any script useful for making a dial up : connection with perl and C-Kermit... : You don't need Perl, you can do it just with Kermit. : or has any idea of where can : I find any good "manual" online? : The manual is a book: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html : What I'm trying to do is specifically send a message to a pager , : using the TAP/IXO protocol with C-Kermit, but I'm having trouble : to make it interactive when the remote terminal asks me about : Username and password. : That's not TAP/IXO. That's calling an alpha page service and having an interactive online dialog, which is different. C-Kermit 6.0 comes with a script to send alphanumeric pages using TAP/IXO; you don't have to write anything: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html And for more info about using Kermit to send pages, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 23 10:16:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28085 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:16:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14437 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:00:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dn5006@my-dejanews.com Subject: Object-Oriented Programming in Kermit 95 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:45:09 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7d89dj$tq3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ; OBJECT-ORIENTED PROGRAMMING IS VERY EFFECTIVE IN DESIGNING ; AND MAINTAINING SOFTWARE. ; KERMIT 95 PROVIDES MECHANISMS TO IMPLEMENT ELEGANTLY SOME ; OBJECT-ORIENTED FEATURES. ; THE FOLLOWING SCRIPT DEFINES A CLASS PERSON WITH TWO DATA ; ATTRIBUTES age, job AND TWO METHODS introduce, destroy. ; ALL DATA ATTRIBUTES AND METHODS ARE PUBLIC. define person { _assign \%1.age \%2 _assign \%1.job \%3 _assign \%1.introduce { echo My name is \%1 echo I am \\m(\%1.age) years old echo I am a \\m(\%1.job) } _assign \%1.destroy { _define \%1.age _define \%1.job _define \%1.introduce } } ; RECENTLY I MET MARK, A 36 YEARS OLD TRUCK DRIVER person mark 36 {truck driver} ; HE INTRODUCES HIMSELF mark.introduce ; HE IS WITH HIS GIRL FRIEND, JANE, A 28 YEARS YOUNG SECRETARY person jane 28 secretary ; SHE ALSO INTRODUCES HERSELF jane.introduce ; THEY ARE OFF ON VACATION, I ERASE THEM FROM MY MEMORY mark.destroy jane.destroy ; FOLLOWING IS THE CLASS ANIMAL define animal { _assign \%1.sound \%2 _assign \%1.introduce { echo I am a \%1 ... \\m(\%1.sound) } _assign \%1.destroy { _define \%1.sound _define \%1.introduce } } ; IN FRONT OF NY HOUSE, THERE ARE A DOG animal dog wow ; AND A CAT animal cat miaou ; THE DOG TRIES TO BE FRIENDLY dog.introduce ; THE CAT REPLIES cat.introduce ; I CLOSE THE WINDOW AND FORGET ABOUT THEM dog.destroy cat.destroy ; Different objects react differently to the same message, it's polymorphism! ; If you want to modify the behavior of all the objects in the same class, ; do it in the class definition, no need to browse through the code to update ; them. That's efficiency. Dat Nguyen Airline Telecommunications and Information Services 770 Sherbrooke West Montreal, Quebec Canada H3A 1G1 Email dat.nguyen&sita.int -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 23 12:16:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03541 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20963 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:46:34 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Andre Nadeau" Subject: K95 +Client 32 3.1 of netware very slow ??? Message-ID: <01be754c$889234c0$c6c909c0@pc-anadeau.mfq.qc.ca> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:44:23 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi ! Since i install the new client32 3.1 the K95 on my Win95 was very slow, i seach to Netware and i found that when we install this new client ,netware upgrade the Winsock Version to 2.0 but sometimes customers has problem with this new version of Winsock. The documention give a URL on Microsoft on how to remove the new version of Winsock, I do that and now the K95 run correctly. Do you have a patch for this, because when we remove this new version of Winsock we are not able to run the native IP services, we will like to upgrade to Netware 5. Thanks André Nadeau From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 23 12:46:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13485 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA22633 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:19:41 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: K95 +Client 32 3.1 of netware very slow ??? Date: 23 Mar 1999 17:19:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7d8ifb$m35$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01be754c$889234c0$c6c909c0@pc-anadeau.mfq.qc.ca>, Andre Nadeau wrote: : Hi ! : Since i install the new client32 3.1 the K95 on my Win95 was very slow, i : seach to Netware and i found that when we install : this new client ,netware upgrade the Winsock Version to 2.0 but sometimes : customers has problem with this new version of Winsock. : : The documention give a URL on Microsoft on how to remove the new version : of Winsock, I do that and now the K95 run correctly. : : Do you have a patch for this, because when we remove this new version of : Winsock we are not able to run the native IP services, : we will like to upgrade to Netware 5. : : Thanks : : André Nadeau : : : The problem is not in K95. It is in Winsock 2.0 for Windows 95. The Winsock 2.2 update does not have these same problems. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 23 15:46:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10361 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:46:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04515 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:37:20 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@09.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: K95 +Client 32 3.1 of netware very slow ??? Date: 23 Mar 1999 20:25:14 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7d8tba$ot6$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Andre Nadeau (anadeau@mfq.qc.ca) wrote: : Since i install the new client32 3.1 the K95 on my Win95 was very slow, i : seach to Netware and i found that when we install I am running K95 on a Win98 box, connected to a NetWare 5.0 box, using Client32 3.1 I didn't notice any change in performance for K95. Perhaps, on Win95, you should upgrade the TCP from Microsoft. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 23 17:16:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07458 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08468 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:48:18 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: K95 +Client 32 3.1 of netware very slow ??? Date: 23 Mar 1999 21:48:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7d9270$88i$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7d8tba$ot6$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Andre Nadeau (anadeau@mfq.qc.ca) wrote: : : Since i install the new client32 3.1 the K95 on my Win95 was very slow, i : : seach to Netware and i found that when we install : : I am running K95 on a Win98 box, connected to a NetWare 5.0 box, using : Client32 3.1 : : I didn't notice any change in performance for K95. : Perhaps, on Win95, you should upgrade the TCP from Microsoft. : Win98 comes with Winsock 2.2. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 24 06:16:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA02997 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:16:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA17440 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:59:48 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Eric Tonissen" Subject: Kermit and protection. Date: 24 Mar 1999 10:55:31 GMT Organization: PharmaPartners B.V. Message-ID: <01be75e4$f1ea9af0$456f6f0a@pp-016> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a question ?? Is it possible to control the files c.q. directories the user may access. This user all login with the same name, but depending on the tty-port they are different. Now is the procedure Unix user > login : > kermit On Pc-side > Start a kermit-programma (such as Mirror). Give in the name of the file on the Unix-side to transfer. Transfer. The problem is that the name of the Unix-file can be a absolute filename. So they are able to transfer files, which they are not allowed to. I tried to use the restricted Shell, but this did not restrict kermit. What now ?? Eric. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 24 09:16:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12749 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA15795 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:47:37 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Kermit and protection. Date: 24 Mar 1999 13:47:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7daqdm$fdg$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01be75e4$f1ea9af0$456f6f0a@pp-016>, Eric Tonissen wrote: : I have a question ?? : : Is it possible to control the files c.q. directories the user may access. : This user all login with the same name, but depending on the tty-port : they are different. User access to the file system is controlled by userid and groupid. If all of your users have the same userid then you are ignoring the most secure mechanism available to you for restricting access. : Now is the procedure : Unix user > : login : : > kermit : : On Pc-side > : Start a kermit-programma (such as Mirror). : Give in the name of the file on the Unix-side to transfer. : Transfer. : : The problem is that the name of the Unix-file can be a absolute filename. : So they are able to transfer files, which they are not allowed to. : I tried to use the restricted Shell, but this did not restrict kermit. This is documented in the manual. To restrict users from accessing system commands from within Kermit you should either recompile Kermit with the NOPUSH #define; issue the "nopush" command in the .kermrc file; or define the CK_NOPUSH environment variable before starting Kermit. Instead of giving the end user command line access in Kermit insist that they use a Kermit Server with DISABLE CD active. Then absolute paths will be refused. Of course, in order to use a Kermit Server your client software will have to provide a mechanism to issue a FINISH command to send the Server. Kermit software from the Kermit Project has this capability. I have never heard of "Mirror". Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Mar 25 17:17:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21425 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26899 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:50:37 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dn5006@my-dejanews.com Subject: Number with a personality Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:35:22 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7dea6q$6r3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ; OBJECT-ORIENTED PROGRAMMING IN KERMIT 95 ; THE FOLLOWING SCRIPT DEFINES A CLASS NUMBER WITH A RANGE define number { local self assign self \%1 _assign \m(self).get { echo \\m(\m(self).val) return \m(\%v.val) } _define \m(self).set { local \%v assign \%v \fbreak(\v(macro), .) \%v.range_check \%1 \m(\%v.max) \m(\%v.min) if not success end 1 _assign \%v.val \%1 echo \m(\%v.val) return \m(\%v.val) } _define \m(self).add { local \%v \%s assign \%v \fbreak(\v(macro), .) assign \%s \m(\%v.val) assign \%s \feval(\%s + \%1) \%v.range_check \%s \m(\%v.max) \m(\%v.min) if not success end 1 _assign \%v.val \%s echo \m(\%v.val) return \m(\%v.val) } _define \m(self).range_check { if > \%1 \%2 end 1 too big if < \%1 \%3 end 1 too small } _assign \m(self).destroy { _define \m(self).val _define \m(self).get _define \m(self).add _define \m(self).set _define \m(self).range_check } \m(self).range_check \%2 \%4 \%3 xif not success { \m(self).destroy) end 1 } else { _assign \m(self).val \%2 _assign \m(self).min \%3 _assign \m(self).max \%4 } } ; THIS IS MY FIRST NUMBER THAT HAS AN INITIAL VALUE 18, ; ALLOWABLE RANGE 5 ... 20 number first_number 18 5 20 ; I CHANGE ITS VALUE FROM 18 TO 9 first_number.set 9 ; I ADD 5 TO IT first_number.add 5 ; I TRY TO SET IT TO 30 and FAIL first_number.set 30 ; I TRY ADD 21 TO IT AND FAIL first_number.add 21 ; ITS VALUE IS STILL 14 first_number.get ; I ERASE IT first_number.destroy ; This is rather smalltalk or C++, Kermit 95 - what a cute language! -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 27 09:48:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11993 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:48:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16062 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:21:05 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jf3@my-dejanews.com Subject: setting up kermit Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:13:18 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7dip1q$vb9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello all, I am a somewhat newbie at kermit and I was hoping that someone could answer my question. We had kermit running on a Solaris 2.5.1 box with a script that would page people. That machine has died and I am trying to get it to run on a linux box. I have a fresh install of Red Hat 5.2 with an external modem. I have put the modem on com2/cua2. When I run minicom, I am able to dial out and connect to other computers with no problems. However, when I try to run the script from my old Solaris box it tell me that it cannot open the connection to the modem. I have tried /dev/cua1, /dev/cua2, /dev/modem, to no avail. Here is my script: ------------------------------------------- set input timeout proceed set modem hayes set dial dial-command atdt%s\{13} set dial display on set local-echo on set duplex full set line /dev/cua0 set speed 19200 set parity even set script echo -------------------------------------------- Is there a difference between the new beta 7 and the old 6 when seetting the line? I think that that is where my problem is at. However, I really do not have a clue. This is the error message that I am getting. ------------------------------------------------ ?Connection on /dev/cua0 is not open. ?Connection on /dev/cua0 is not open. Trying again ?Connection on /dev/cua0 is not open. ?Connection on /dev/cua0 is not open. Trying again ?Connection on /dev/cua0 is not open. ?Connection on /dev/cua0 is not open. ----------------------------------------------- Any help would be much appreciated! TIA! Jeremy T. Finke -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 27 18:48:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10543 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA12171 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:33:47 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Karl Davies" Subject: Ref: help. A better question Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 23:26:47 -0000 Organization: Virgin News Service Message-ID: <7djpof$3sq$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please help, How do I exit from MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 without hanging up or breaking the RS232 connection? cheers, Karl Davies karl.davies1@virgin.net From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 27 19:48:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16908 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:48:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15175 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:38:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Karl Davies" Subject: Please Help Problem with kermit Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 23:04:12 -0000 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Message-ID: <7djodi$68a$1@nclient1-gui.server.virgin.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please help with my project, I am using Kermit 3.15 as a terminal emulator to download to a 68HC11 microcontroller. The microcontroller is to be left in a continuous loop outputting data to the PC. When I exit from Kermit the data seems to be corrupted. This happens intermittently. how do I exit from Kermit and keep the microcontroller assembler program operating correctly. Cheers, Karl Davies karl.davies1@virgin .net From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Mar 27 19:48:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA16910 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA14763 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:32:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: Ref: help. A better question Message-ID: Date: 27 Mar 99 17:18:02 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7djpof$3sq$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net>, "Karl Davies" writes: > Please help, > > How do I exit from MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 without hanging up or breaking the > RS232 connection? > > cheers, > Karl Davies > karl.davies1@virgin.net ------- Just exit MSK. It leaves the serial comms port intact. Example: while in Connect mode (terminal emulation) press the ALT-x keys to return to the Kermit prompt, and then type EXIT at the prompt. Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 28 03:48:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA07736 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 03:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA06849 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 03:23:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us (fred smith) Subject: Re: setting up kermit Organization: None! Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:44:05 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jf3@my-dejanews.com wrote: : Hello all, : I am a somewhat newbie at kermit and I was hoping that someone could answer : my question. We had kermit running on a Solaris 2.5.1 box with a script that : would page people. That machine has died and I am trying to get it to run on : a linux box. I have a fresh install of Red Hat 5.2 with an external modem. : I have put the modem on com2/cua2. When I run minicom, I am able to dial out : and connect to other computers with no problems. However, when I try to run : the script from my old Solaris box it tell me that it cannot open the : connection to the modem. I have tried /dev/cua1, /dev/cua2, /dev/modem, to : no avail. What does 'ls -l /dev/cua2' look like? also ls -l output of your kermit? If the serial port is something like mine: crw-r----- 1 uucp uucp 5, 67 Mar 27 12:09 /dev/cua3 then the kermit should look like: -rwsr-xr-x 1 uucp uucp 807668 Jan 1 21:33 /usr/local/bin/wermit note that both are owner/group uucp, AND (and this is important!) the kermit is setuid uucp! Kermit should NOT be setuid to root, it is smart enough to notice, and will refuse to run that way, but it must have access to the port as the port's owner. The one above is 6.1.193, the one below is 6.1.195 beta.04, note its permissions are slightly different: -rwsrwsr-x 1 uucp uucp 971853 Feb 10 21:51 wermit -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ----------------------------- The eyes of the Lord are everywhere, keeping watch on the wicked and the good. ----------------------------- Proverbs 15:3 (niv) ----------------------------- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Mar 28 10:18:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27960 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24920 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:17:10 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: Please Help Problem with kermit Message-ID: Date: 27 Mar 99 16:39:41 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7djodi$68a$1@nclient1-gui.server.virgin.net>, "Karl Davies" writes: > Please help with my project, > > I am using Kermit 3.15 as a terminal emulator to download to a 68HC11 > microcontroller. The microcontroller is to be left in a continuous loop > outputting data to the PC. When I exit from Kermit the data seems to be > corrupted. This happens intermittently. how do I exit from Kermit and keep > the microcontroller assembler program operating correctly. > > Cheers, > Karl Davies > karl.davies1@virgin .net ----------- I don't understand your problem. Terminal emulation is entered by saying CONNECT. While there one pushes keys to send to the comms link, and MSK reads the comms link to put material on the screen. This isn't a "download" situation. I have no idea of what you mean by the data seems to be corrupted, because there is insufficient detal to understand the environment and what handles data where and and so forth. And I presume the 68HC11 controller program runs on that chip and not on the IBM PC. And what o/s is running on the PC? Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 29 10:19:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26013 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24156 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:08:37 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Bob Parkhurst Subject: Re: Ref: help. A better question Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:02:43 GMT Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 27 Mar 1999, Joe Doupnik wrote: > In article <7djpof$3sq$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net>, "Karl Davies" writes: > > Please help, > > > > How do I exit from MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 without hanging up or breaking the > > RS232 connection? > > > > cheers, > > Karl Davies > > karl.davies1@virgin.net > ------- > Just exit MSK. It leaves the serial comms port intact. > Example: while in Connect mode (terminal emulation) press the ALT-x > keys to return to the Kermit prompt, and then type EXIT at the prompt. > Joe D. > > Did you set the port in any way while you were in kermit? In other words if you change the baud rate or the flow control settings while you are in kermit they will revert back to their default settings when you exit kermit. This might then make anything else received appear to be corrupted, or hang up or break the RS232 connection. -- Bob Parkhurst E-mail: bobp@world.std.com Data Intelligence Systems Corp. Phone : (978)667-1600 Fax : (978)670-5696 From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 29 10:49:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07260 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:49:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26367 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:45:15 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: setting up kermit Date: 29 Mar 1999 15:45:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7do765$pns$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7do5ok$9ra$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : Thanks for the hints... however, I am still getting the same errors. I : have tried setting both the user and group owner of wermit to uucp. I : played with the SUID and SGID bits on wermit. I tried changing the : owner of /dev/cua1 from root to uucp. But I am still getting: : : ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. : ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. : Trying again : ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. : ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. : Trying again : A script should test commands like "set line" for success or failure: set line /dev/cua1 if fail exit 1 Can't assign /dev/cua1 The "set line /dev/cua1" should give you an error message saying why it failed: no such device, device is in use, access to lockfile directory denied, etc. Find the cu program on your computer. Make sure it works with the same device. Then (as root) give the Kermit program the same owner, group, and permissions as cu. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 29 10:49:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07263 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:49:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA25960 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:38:49 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jf3@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: setting up kermit Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:21:01 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7do5ok$9ra$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks for the hints... however, I am still getting the same errors. I have tried setting both the user and group owner of wermit to uucp. I played with the SUID and SGID bits on wermit. I tried changing the owner of /dev/cua1 from root to uucp. But I am still getting: ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. Trying again ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. Trying again Any other ideas?? Thanks!! Jeremy In article , fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us (fred smith) wrote: > jf3@my-dejanews.com wrote: > : Hello all, > > : I am a somewhat newbie at kermit and I was hoping that someone could answer > : my question. We had kermit running on a Solaris 2.5.1 box with a script that > : would page people. That machine has died and I am trying to get it to run on > : a linux box. I have a fresh install of Red Hat 5.2 with an external modem. > : I have put the modem on com2/cua2. When I run minicom, I am able to dial out > : and connect to other computers with no problems. However, when I try to run > : the script from my old Solaris box it tell me that it cannot open the > : connection to the modem. I have tried /dev/cua1, /dev/cua2, /dev/modem, to > : no avail. > > What does 'ls -l /dev/cua2' look like? also ls -l output of your kermit? > If the serial port is something like mine: > > crw-r----- 1 uucp uucp 5, 67 Mar 27 12:09 /dev/cua3 > > then the kermit should look like: > > -rwsr-xr-x 1 uucp uucp 807668 Jan 1 21:33 /usr/local/bin/wermit > > note that both are owner/group uucp, AND (and this is important!) the > kermit is setuid uucp! Kermit should NOT be setuid to root, it is smart > enough to notice, and will refuse to run that way, but it must have > access to the port as the port's owner. > > The one above is 6.1.193, the one below is 6.1.195 beta.04, note its > permissions are slightly different: > > -rwsrwsr-x 1 uucp uucp 971853 Feb 10 21:51 wermit > > -- > ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ----------------------------- > The eyes of the Lord are everywhere, > keeping watch on the wicked and the good. > ----------------------------- Proverbs 15:3 (niv) ----------------------------- > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 29 13:19:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27829 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA04015 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:05:56 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dn5006@my-dejanews.com Subject: Inheritance in Kermit 95 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:57:20 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7do7sr$bm9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ; NO OBJECT-ORIENTED PROGRAMMING LEAVES HOME WITHOUT INHERITANCE. ; THE FOLLOWING SCRIPT DISPLAYS INHERITANCE IN KERMIT 95. ; ; CLASS PERSON IS THE BASE CLASS. ; ; CLASS EMPLOYEE DERIVES FROM CLASS PERSON. CLASS EMPLOYEE HAS ; ALL ATTRIBUTES AND BEHAVIOR OF CLASS PERSON AND SOME EXTRAS ; ; CLASS MANAGER DERIVES FROM CLASS EMPLOYEE. CLASS MANAGER HAS ; ALL ATTRIBUTES AND BEHAVIOR OF CLASS EMPLOYEE AND SOME EXTRAS ; ; THE KEY OF OBJECT-ORIENTED PROGRAMMING IN KERMIT 95 IS ; THE PROPER USAGE OF: ; ; ASSIGN ; _ASSIGN ; DEFINE ; _DEFINE ; ; ASSIGN EXPANDS ONLY R-VALUE VARIABLE. ; _ASSIGN EXPANDS BOTH L-VALUE AND R-VALUE VARIABLES. ; DEFINE EXPANDS NEITHER L-VALUE NOR _R-VALUE VARIABLES. ; _DEFINE EXPANDS ONLY L-VALUE VARIABLE. define person { local self assign self \%1 _assign \m(self).age \%2 _assign \m(self).job \%3 _assign \m(self).introduce { echo My name is \fcap(\%1) echo I am \\m(\m(self).age) years old echo I am a(n) \\m(\m(self).job) } _assign \m(self).destroy { _define \m(self).age _define \m(self).job _define \m(self).introduce _define \m(self).destroy } } define employee { local self super \%s assign self \%1 assign super person ; DERIVES FROM PERSON \m(super) {\%1} {\%2} {\%3} ; CREATE BASE COMPONENTS assign \%s \m(self).introduce ; SAVE SUPER CLASS METHOD ; introduce _assign \m(self).introduce { ; OVERLOAD METHOD introduce \m(\%s) ; EXEC SUPER CLASS METHOD FIRST echo I work for \%4 ; AND THIS EXTRA } } define manager { local self super \%s assign self \%1 assign super employee ; DERIVES FROM EMPLOYEE \m(super) {\%1} {\%2} {\%3} {\%4} ; CREATE BASE COMPONENTS assign \%s \m(self).introduce ; SAVE SUPER CALSS METHOD ; introduce _assign \m(self).introduce { ; OVERLOAD METHOD introduce \m(\%s) ; EXEC SUPER CLASS METHOD FIRST echo I am a manager ; AND THIS EXTRA } _define \m(self).fire { ; ADD THE NEW METHOD fire echo {\%1, you are fired} } _define \m(self).offer { ; ADD THE NEW METHOD hire echo {\%1, I would like to offer you \%2} } } ; JANE IS A 27 YEARS YOUNG STUDENT person Jane 27 student Jane.introduce echo ; MARK IS A 36 YEARS OLD PROGRAMMER WORKING FOR BT&T employee Mark 36 programmer BT&T Mark.introduce echo ; MARIO IS A 24 YEARS OLD PROGRAMMERS WORKING FOR METAS employee Mario 24 programmer METAS Mario.introduce echo ; BOB IS A 47 YEARS OLD ENGINEER WORKING FOR METAS AS A MANAGER manager Bob 47 Engineer METAS Bob.introduce echo ; MARIO KNOWS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DEFINE AND _DEFINE. ; Bob DECIDES TO FIRE HIM: Bob.fire Mario echo ; MARK KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ASSIGN AND _ASSIGN. ; Bob DECIDES TO MAKE HIM AN OFFER: Bob.offer Mark 100K echo Dat Nguyen Airline Telecommunications and Information Services 770 Sherbrooke West Montreal, Quebec Canada H3A 1G1 Email dat.nguyen&sita.int -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 29 13:49:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09340 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA06194 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:45:53 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: setting up kermit Date: 29 Mar 1999 18:45:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7dohoo$61d$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7doh16$k8c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : Ok here is some information that I figured out.... : : THis is my script: : ------------------------------------------------------------ : set input timeout proceed : set modem hayes : set dial dial-command atdt%s\{13} : set dial display on : set local-echo on : set duplex full : set line /dev/cua/b : set speed 19200 : set parity even : set script echo : echo : clear : goto main : :tryagain : echo Trying again\7\13 : hangup : :main : OUTPUT ATDT9,4250824\13 : INPUT 40 CONNECT : IF FAILURE GOTO tryagain : INPUT 15 ID= : OUTPUT M\13 : INPUT 15 ID, : OUTPUT 4353389\13 : INPUT 15 essage : OUTPUT uagent is running on spruce fir cedar willow and poplar\13 : hangup : exit : --------------------------------------------------------- : : If I type in the first half by hand (all of the set statements) and then I : type dial 94250824. It works like a charm and I can get it and manually do : all of the things that my script does. However if I manually type in the : OUTPUT ATDT line then I get the same error message: : : ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. : ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. : Trying again : : So that would say to me that there is a problem with the OUTPUT line?? Does : this make sense?? Has the scripting changed from version 6 to 7?? : There is a difference between OUTPUT and DIAL. DIAL is special because it does not require the carrier signal to be present on the serial device; after all, how can it be, since the connection has not yet been made? OUTPUT, on the other hand, does require carrier unless you first tell it not to with "set carrier-watch off". Why not just use the DIAL command? - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 29 13:49:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09350 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05845 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:40:32 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jf3@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: setting up kermit Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:33:11 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7doh16$k8c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ok here is some information that I figured out.... THis is my script: ------------------------------------------------------------ set input timeout proceed set modem hayes set dial dial-command atdt%s\{13} set dial display on set local-echo on set duplex full set line /dev/cua/b set speed 19200 set parity even set script echo echo clear goto main :tryagain echo Trying again\7\13 hangup :main OUTPUT ATDT9,4250824\13 INPUT 40 CONNECT IF FAILURE GOTO tryagain INPUT 15 ID= OUTPUT M\13 INPUT 15 ID, OUTPUT 4353389\13 INPUT 15 essage OUTPUT uagent is running on spruce fir cedar willow and poplar\13 hangup exit --------------------------------------------------------- If I type in the first half by hand (all of the set statements) and then I type dial 94250824. It works like a charm and I can get it and manually do all of the things that my script does. However if I manually type in the OUTPUT ATDT line then I get the same error message: ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. Trying again So that would say to me that there is a problem with the OUTPUT line?? Does this make sense?? Has the scripting changed from version 6 to 7?? Thanks for any more tips that anyone may be able to give me! Jeremy In article <7do5ok$9ra$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, jf3@my-dejanews.com wrote: > Thanks for the hints... however, I am still getting the same errors. I have > tried setting both the user and group owner of wermit to uucp. I played with > the SUID and SGID bits on wermit. I tried changing the owner of /dev/cua1 > from root to uucp. But I am still getting: > > ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. > ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. > Trying again > ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. > ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. > Trying again > > Any other ideas?? > > Thanks!! > > Jeremy > > In article , > fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us (fred smith) wrote: > > jf3@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > : Hello all, > > > > : I am a somewhat newbie at kermit and I was hoping that someone could answer > > : my question. We had kermit running on a Solaris 2.5.1 box with a script > that > > : would page people. That machine has died and I am trying to get it to run > on > > : a linux box. I have a fresh install of Red Hat 5.2 with an external modem. > > : I have put the modem on com2/cua2. When I run minicom, I am able to dial > out > > : and connect to other computers with no problems. However, when I try to run > > : the script from my old Solaris box it tell me that it cannot open the > > : connection to the modem. I have tried /dev/cua1, /dev/cua2, /dev/modem, to > > : no avail. > > > > What does 'ls -l /dev/cua2' look like? also ls -l output of your kermit? > > If the serial port is something like mine: > > > > crw-r----- 1 uucp uucp 5, 67 Mar 27 12:09 /dev/cua3 > > > > then the kermit should look like: > > > > -rwsr-xr-x 1 uucp uucp 807668 Jan 1 21:33 /usr/local/bin/wermit > > > > note that both are owner/group uucp, AND (and this is important!) the > > kermit is setuid uucp! Kermit should NOT be setuid to root, it is smart > > enough to notice, and will refuse to run that way, but it must have > > access to the port as the port's owner. > > > > The one above is 6.1.193, the one below is 6.1.195 beta.04, note its > > permissions are slightly different: > > > > -rwsrwsr-x 1 uucp uucp 971853 Feb 10 21:51 wermit > > > > -- > > ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ----------------------------- > > The eyes of the Lord are everywhere, > > keeping watch on the wicked and the good. > > ----------------------------- Proverbs 15:3 (niv) > ----------------------------- > > > > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 29 16:19:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02578 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:19:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA13072 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:53:46 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: Ref: help. A better question Message-ID: <39R0bXDCBTcT@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Mar 99 08:37:24 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bob Parkhurst writes: > On 27 Mar 1999, Joe Doupnik wrote: > >> In article <7djpof$3sq$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net>, "Karl Davies" writes: >> > Please help, >> > >> > How do I exit from MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 without hanging up or breaking the >> > RS232 connection? >> > >> > cheers, >> > Karl Davies >> > karl.davies1@virgin.net >> ------- >> Just exit MSK. It leaves the serial comms port intact. >> Example: while in Connect mode (terminal emulation) press the ALT-x >> keys to return to the Kermit prompt, and then type EXIT at the prompt. >> Joe D. >> >> > > Did you set the port in any way while you were in kermit? In other words > if you change the baud rate or the flow control settings while you are in > kermit they will revert back to their default settings when you exit > kermit. This might then make anything else received appear to be > corrupted, or hang up or break the RS232 connection. ---------- No, they are not restored when exiting. MSK leaves the serial port in its current state as MSK exits. Some folks think that two programs can use the serial port at one time, by starting one program, pausing it while the other runs, and then running the first some more. That generally fails badly because the second clobbers what the first configured. MSK does restore the previous interrupt handler, however. Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 29 17:19:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23822 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:19:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17645 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:19:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: setting up kermit Date: 29 Mar 1999 22:19:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7dou98$h7a$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7doss4$vi6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : I had tried DIAL earlier and while I could use it when I was manually : dialing and everything worked (I could interact with the paging service), : when I put it into a script it would dial, but then it seemed the the next : OUTPUT statement would not send anything out. My terminail would say : something like "call ended at time:day". Then it would redial and try : again. : : However, when I put in the "set carrier-watch off", the whole thing works : like a charm! Thanks for your help!! : Well, when dialing a numeric pager, the DIAL command won't succeed because it's looking for a CONNECT message (and/or Carrier Detect) from the modem, which of course never happens if it's not dialing another modem. I had forgotten that you were trying to send a numeric page. What I should have done was refer you to: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html which shows you the real way to do this, namely with the PDIAL rather than DIAL command: set modem type hayes set line /dev/cua set speed 2400 pdial 7654321@123456# or if your modem does not support the "wait for quiet answer" feature (@): pdial 7654321,,,,123456# - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Mar 29 17:19:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23825 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17227 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:11:02 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jf3@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: setting up kermit Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:55:21 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7doss4$vi6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank- I had tried DIAL earlier and while I could use it when I was manually dialing and everything worked (I could interact with the paging service), when I put it into a script it would dial, but then it seemed the the next OUTPUT statement would not send anything out. My terminail would say something like "call ended at time:day". Then it would redial and try again. However, when I put in the "set carrier-watch off", the whole thing works like a charm! Thanks for your help!! Jeremy T. Finke System Administrator University of Evansville In article <7dohoo$61d$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > In article <7doh16$k8c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: > : Ok here is some information that I figured out.... > : > : THis is my script: > : ------------------------------------------------------------ > : set input timeout proceed > : set modem hayes > : set dial dial-command atdt%s\{13} > : set dial display on > : set local-echo on > : set duplex full > : set line /dev/cua/b > : set speed 19200 > : set parity even > : set script echo > : echo > : clear > : goto main > : :tryagain > : echo Trying again\7\13 > : hangup > : :main > : OUTPUT ATDT9,4250824\13 > : INPUT 40 CONNECT > : IF FAILURE GOTO tryagain > : INPUT 15 ID= > : OUTPUT M\13 > : INPUT 15 ID, > : OUTPUT 4353389\13 > : INPUT 15 essage > : OUTPUT uagent is running on spruce fir cedar willow and poplar\13 > : hangup > : exit > : --------------------------------------------------------- > : > : If I type in the first half by hand (all of the set statements) and then I > : type dial 94250824. It works like a charm and I can get it and manually do > : all of the things that my script does. However if I manually type in the > : OUTPUT ATDT line then I get the same error message: > : > : ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. > : ?Connection on /dev/cua1 is not open. > : Trying again > : > : So that would say to me that there is a problem with the OUTPUT line?? Does > : this make sense?? Has the scripting changed from version 6 to 7?? > : > There is a difference between OUTPUT and DIAL. DIAL is special because it > does not require the carrier signal to be present on the serial device; after > all, how can it be, since the connection has not yet been made? > > OUTPUT, on the other hand, does require carrier unless you first tell it not > to with "set carrier-watch off". > > Why not just use the DIAL command? > > - Frank > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Mar 30 11:49:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08089 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13704 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:43:29 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dn5006@my-dejanews.com Subject: Container in C-Kermit/Kermit 95 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:05:25 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7dqsnu$m0v$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ; CONTAINER IS A KEY CONCEPT IN OBJECT-ORIENTED PROGRAMMING. ; SMALLTALK, C++, etc. HAVE STANDARD LIBRARIES OF CONTAINERS. ; THE FOLLOWING SCRIPT DEFINES THE CLASS BASKET IN C-KERMIT/KERMIT 95. ; BASKET OFFERS A RICH USAGE INTERFACE: ; ; basket basket_name ; create a new object identified as basket_name. ; ; basket_name.set key value ; deposit into the object basket_name the element ; identified by 'key' that has the content 'value'. ; Both key and value can be alpha, numeric, alpha-numeric. ; ; basket_name.get key ; query the element identified by 'key'. ; ; basket_name.size ; query the number of the elements in the basket_name. ; ; basket_name.head ; position to the first element of the basket for query. ; ; basket_name.tail ; position to the last element of the basket for query. ; ; basket_name.pairs ; query all the pairs key => value in the basket_name. ; ; basket_name.step_pair ; query each pair key => value in the basket_name. ; ; basket_name.values ; query all the values in the basket_name. ; ; basket_name.step_value ; query each value in the basket_name. ; ; basket_name.keys ; query all the keys in the basket_name. ; ; basket_name.step_key ; query each key in the basket_name. ; ; basket_name.reset ; remove all the elements in the basket_name. ; ; basket_name.destroy ; remove the basket_name itself. define basket { local self assign self \%1 _assign \m(self)_size 0 _assign \m(self)_value 0 _assign \m(self)_key 0 _define \m(self).set { local \%s \%i if NOT define \%1 end 1 ... missing 1.param if NOT define \%2 end 1 ... missing 2.param assign \%s \fbreak(\v(macro),.) xif NOT defined \m(\%s_value[\%1]) { ; key not yet used? assign \%i \m(\%s_size) ; get previous key index increment \%i ; make next key index _assign \%s_size \%i ; save this key index _assign \%s_key[\%i] \%1 ; save key } _assign \%s_value[\%1] \%2 ; save value echo \m(\%s_value[\%1]) } _define \m(self).get { local \%s assign \%s \fbreak(\v(macro),.) echo \m(\%s_value[\%1]) return \m(\%s_value[\%1]) } _define \m(self).step_value { local \%s \%i \%k \%r \%n \%m assign \%s \fbreak(\v(macro),.) assign \%m \m(\%s_size) assign \%n \m(\%s_value) assign \%n \feval(\fmod(\%n, \%m) + 1) _assign \%s_value \%n assign \%k \m(\%s_key[\%n]) assign \%r \m(\%s_value[\%k]) echo \m(\%s_value[\%k]) return \m(\%s_value[\%k]) } _define \m(self).step_pair { local \%s \%i \%k \%r \%n \%m assign \%s \fbreak(\v(macro),.) assign \%m \m(\%s_size) assign \%n \m(\%s_value) assign \%n \feval(\fmod(\%n, \%m) + 1) _assign \%s_value \%n assign \%k \m(\%s_key[\%n]) assign \%r \m(\%s_value[\%k]) echo \%k => \%r return \%k => \%r } _define \m(self).pairs { local \%s \%i \%k \%r \%n \%m \%z assign \%s \fbreak(\v(macro),.) for \%i 1 \m(\%s_size) 1 { assign \%k \m(\%s_key[\%i]) assign \%v \m(\%s_value[\%k]) assign \%z \%z\%k => \%v\v(newline) echo \%k => \%v } return \%z } _define \m(self).size { local \%s assign \%s \fbreak(\v(macro),.) echo \m(\%s_size) return \m(\%s_size) } _assign \m(self).head { _assign \m(self)_value 0 _assign \m(self)_key 0 } _define \m(self).tail { local \%s \%t assign \%s \fbreak(\v(macro),.) assign \%t \m(\%s_size) _assign \%s_value \feval(\%t - 1) _assign \%s_key \feval(\%t - 1) } _define \m(self).reset { local \%s assign \%s \fbreak(\v(macro),.) for \%i 1 \m(\%s_size) 1 { assign \%k \m(\%s_key[\%i]) _define \%s_key[\%i] _define \%s_value[\%k] } _assign \%s_size 0 _assign \%s_value 0 _assign \%s_key 0 } _define \m(self).step_key { local \%s \%i \%k \%r \%n \%m assign \%s \fbreak(\v(macro),.) assign \%m \m(\%s_size) assign \%n \m(\%s_key) assign \%n \feval(\fmod(\%n, \%m) + 1) _assign \%s_key \%n assign \%k \m(\%s_key[\%n]) echo \%k return \%k } _define \m(self).keys { local \%s \%z assign \%s \fbreak(\v(macro),.) for \%i 1 \m(\%s_size) 1 { assign \%k \m(\%s_key[\%i]) assign \%z {\%z\%k } } echo \%z return \%z } _define \m(self).values { local \%s \%z \%v assign \%s \fbreak(\v(macro),.) for \%i 1 \m(\%s_size) 1 { assign \%k \m(\%s_key[\%i]) assign \%v \m(\%s_value[\%k]) assign \%z {\%z\%v } } echo \%z return \%z } _define \m(self).destroy { local \%s \%n \%i \%v \%k assign \%s \fbreak(\v(macro),.) \%s.reset _define \%s_size _define \%s_value _define \%s.size _define \%s.set _define \%s.get _define \%s.head _define \%s.pairs _define \%s.step_pair _define \%s.tail _define \%s.reset _define \%s.step_key _define \%s.keys _define \%s.step_value _define \%s.values _define \%.destroy } } Dat Nguyen Airline Telecommunications and Information Services 770 Sherbrooke West Montreal, Quebec Canada H3A 1G1 Email dat.nguyen&sita.int -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 31 04:20:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA02720 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 04:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA03314 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 04:11:53 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Patrick Quaedackers Subject: Kermit Specs Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:56:18 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7dsnve$bfq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! I'm searching for Kermit Protocol documentation/specs for writing a program that recieves data from an other device. That device (a barcode reader) sends its data to my workstation, by using the Kermit Protocol. In order to recieve the data correctly, I need to understand the Kermit Protocol. I have to know how long a frame is, how the frameheader is built etc. Who can help me? Greetings, Patrick Quaedackers -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 31 09:50:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22460 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA08301 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:25:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit Specs Date: 31 Mar 1999 14:25:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7dtb8h$83b$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7dsnve$bfq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Patrick Quaedackers wrote: : I'm searching for Kermit Protocol documentation/specs for writing a program : that recieves data from an other device. That device (a barcode reader) sends : its data to my workstation, by using the Kermit Protocol. In order to recieve : the data correctly, I need to understand the Kermit Protocol. I have to know : how long a frame is, how the frameheader is built etc. : See the Kermit website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Note, however, that you probably do not need to write a Kermit protocol implementation for your workstation -- there is almost certainly a Kermit program available for it already, such as: UNIX C-Kermit http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html VMS C-Kermit http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html Windows 95 Kermit 95 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Windows 98 Kermit 95 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Windows NT Kermit 95 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html OS/2 Kermit 95 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html etc etc. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Mar 31 11:20:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21243 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13731 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:59:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dn5006@my-dejanews.com Subject: SWITCH statement considered harmful Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:09:20 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7dtdqo$tg8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ; In languages such as Kermit script, Tcl script, C, etc. , the switch ; statement could be the source of subtle bugs caused by the intentional or ; unintentional omission of the break statement. ; ; 'Using C-Kermit' 2nd, page 385, displays a classical usage of the switch ; statement with the intentional omission of the break statement to achieve a ; "fall-through". ; This programming way is error prone and should be avoided. ; ; Consider the following alternative which is more defensive and maintenance ; friendly, since: ; 1. New cases if any can be added easily. ; 2. No break statement is needed to terminate a case. ; 3. Fall through is explicit through the specification of the targeted case, ; which can be any of the possible cases, even backward, skip intermitten ; cases, whatever. ; 4. Each case label is expressive. ; 5. Default statement is replaced with the check on fail. ; 6. No subtle bugs caused by the implementation of the switch statemnet. ; ; Kermit scripting language is not C. When programming in Kermit, use Kermit ; idioms, don't mimic C. define weekday { local day_0 day_1 day_2 day_3 day_4 day_5 day_6 define day_0 { echo Sonntag } define day_1 { echo Montag und uebermorgen ist, day_3 } define day_2 { echo Dienstag und zunaechst kommt ..., day_3 } define day_3 { echo Mittwoch } define day_4 { echo Donnerstag } define day_5 { echo Freitag und gestern war, day_4} define day_6 { echo Samstag und da ist schon wieder der, day_0} day_\v(nday) if fail echo Invalid day - \v(nday) } ; This is object-oriented programming in the small, the day_ is generic, when ; appended with a case specific value, it yields the name of a predefined macro, ; and get executed. This flexibility is very effective. Dat Nguyen Airline Telecommunications and Information Services 770 Sherbrooke West Montreal, Quebec Canada H3A 1G1 Email dat.nguyen&sita.int -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 2 12:51:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21968 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04557 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:33:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: art1958@yahoo.com (Art L.) Subject: Re: Kermit Script Question Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 17:27:19 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Message-ID: <3704fd1e.80390229@news.tiac.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu You need to use the open !read command followed by read statements as described in "Using C-Kermit, 2nd ed" page 408. On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:16:46 -0800, Matt Willman wrote: >Got a little scripting question, thought one of you could help. Running >Kermit on Aix. > >In a Kermit script file I have something similar to the following > >define \%m /usr/blah/blah/MODEM >define GETLINE { run awk -F: '{ print $3 }' \%m } > >How do I assign the output of GETLINE to a Kermit variable? For example >\%L, or >whatever I decide the name should be? > >Thanks, > >Matt > From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Apr 3 10:52:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26752 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08288 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:48:45 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <71qj3m$aut$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: I need your help... hexify me! Organization: Columbia University Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 15:45:02 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : Is there someone that would be so glad to hexify a kermit32.exe (VMS 5.3, : MicroVAX 3400) and send it to me via email? : You don't need anyone to do this. You can find it, prehexified, at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/b/vmsmit.hex Transfer in text mode. : Just to let you know, the working MACRO source of hexify/dehexify I've found : say, on top: : --- : .TITLE HEXIFY : .SBTTL Stuart Hecht and Eric McQueen : .LIBRARY /SYS$LIBRARY:STARLET/ : .LIBRARY /SYS$LIBRARY:LIB/ : .IDENT /1.1.00/ : --- : You know, I'm start thinking that each version of hexify avaliable on the : net has a different output format. : VMSHEX format (as produced by this program) is not a simple conversion to hex digits of the file contents. It is a way to encode *any* VMS file at all in such a way that dehexifying it with the companion dehexifier program will restore it to its original form, RMS attributes and all. So you can use these programs to hexify not only featureless executables, but also BACKUP savesets, indexed files, you name it. This is similar to C-Kermit's Labeled File format and to VMS ZIP with its -V option or whatever it is, except the result is (a) printable, and (b) has short (< 80 char) records, and so can pass through the most restrictive transports, e.g. BITNET mail. The VMSHEX and VMSDEH programs are at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/b/vmshex.* ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/b/vmsdeh.* Transfer in text mode. Then: macro vmsdeh link vmsdeh run vmsdeh and at the prompt, type "vmsmit.hex" to make it dehexify the Kermit-32 executable. Then use Kermit-32 to transfer VMS C-Kermit into your system and you're all set. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Apr 4 12:23:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04554 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17138 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:18:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Is it possible to script a telnet session with bash? Date: 4 Apr 1999 16:17:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7e83bi$gnf$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37062a83.6682275@news.iea.com>, Michael Langley wrote: : I am wondering if it is possible to script a telnet session with bash? : The best way to script a telnet session is with a telnet client that includes a built-in scripting capability, such as C-Kermit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html This way you don't have to worry about interactions or misunderstandings between the shell, Perl, Expect, etc etc, and the Telnet client and server. Here's a short example: define host xyzcorp.com define user fred undef password set network type tcp/ip set host \m(host) if fail stop 1 Can't open connection to \m(host) ; Prompt locally for password -- it's not good to put passwords ; in scripts. while not defined password { askq password { Password for \m(user) at \m(host): } ; (doesn't echo) } input 20 login: if fail stop 1 Timed out waiting for login: prompt output \m(user)\13 input 10 Password: if fail stop 1 Timed out waiting for Password: prompt output \m(password)\13 connect The \m(blah) notation indicates variable expansion, and \13 is the code for carriage return. The "connect" command at the end puts you online with the remote host so you can interact with it directly. Instead of "connect" you can, of course, also script any interactions with the host that you could do by hand, plus many that you could not, like transferring files. C-Kermit also can make dialup and other types of connections, so the same scripting works for many connection types on many platforms. Secure authentication methods (Kerberos, SRP) will be available in the forthcoming 7.0 version. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Apr 5 09:24:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24049 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 09:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29428 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 09:04:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: vadim Subject: window title Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 15:58:24 +0300 Organization: EUnet Estonia Message-ID: <3708B36F.D56BAD94@usa.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, how i can change Kermits window title. for example now "host.com:telnet k-95" i using Win95. thank You. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Apr 5 10:54:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21677 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00697 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:46:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: window title Date: 5 Apr 1999 14:45:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7eaiak$lh$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3708B36F.D56BAD94@usa.net>, vadim wrote: : Hi, : how i can change Kermits window title. : for example now "host.com:telnet k-95" : : i using Win95. : : thank You. : SET TITLE Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 6 14:54:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20342 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01755 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:36:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Kevin Handy Subject: Dialing on VMS Ckermit Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 12:46:03 -0600 Organization: Software Solutions, Inc Message-ID: <370A566B.E4B00C83@srv.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having a lot of problems with a VaxStation 3100 dialing using a fairly new modem, and (I believe) ckermit 192. If I set the port (TTA2:) as 'set term tta2:/perm/nomodem', the modem will refuse to talk to me. It will echo characters, but completely ignores them. If I set the port to 'set term tta2:/perm/modem', then it will talk to me, and accept commands, until I try to dail out. It then will let the phone ring once, and then dies with a 'no carrier' error. If I set 'set carrier off' then it gives me a 'disconnected' error at that point. No matter what options I've tried, I can only rarely get it to actually connect to an outside system. I can't find any settings on the modems I've tried to fix the carrier (Recent USR robotics 56K modem), and it appears that the modem is just randomally flashing the carrier signal and confusding everything. Anyone know of a setting on these modems to fix the modem so that it will talk without setting the port to '/modem', or a setting on the VAX so it doesn't hang up the modem in the middle of a call? From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 6 14:54:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20346 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02136 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:44:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Dialing on VMS Ckermit Date: 6 Apr 1999 18:44:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7edklg$22c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <370A566B.E4B00C83@srv.net>, Kevin Handy wrote: : I'm having a lot of problems with a VaxStation 3100 dialing : using a fairly new modem, and (I believe) ckermit 192. : : If I set the port (TTA2:) as 'set term tta2:/perm/nomodem', : the modem will refuse to talk to me. It will echo characters, : but completely ignores them. : Your serial speed is 19200 or less? : If I set the port to 'set term tta2:/perm/modem', then it : will talk to me, and accept commands, until I try to dail : out. It then will let the phone ring once, and then dies : with a 'no carrier' error. If I set 'set carrier off' then : it gives me a 'disconnected' error at that point. : The VAX 3100 serial port offers special challenges. : No matter what options I've tried, I can only rarely get it : to actually connect to an outside system. I can't find any : settings on the modems I've tried to fix the carrier (Recent : USR robotics 56K modem), and it appears that the modem is : just randomally flashing the carrier signal and confusding : everything. : : Anyone know of a setting on these modems to fix the modem : so that it will talk without setting the port to '/modem', : or a setting on the VAX so it doesn't hang up the modem : in the middle of a call? : Please try the VMS version of C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.05: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html One of its new features is improved support for dialing from VMS serial ports. Please follow up with any further problems to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 6 17:54:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20313 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11711 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:47:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: David Hauck Subject: MSK in W95 Message-ID: <370A6667.1501DC84@boeing.com> Organization: Phantom Works Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:54:15 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having some difficulty using MSK in the Win95 and WinNTW environments. We are using MSK version 3.10 to communicate with computer controlled milling machines. The machine controls are running kermit server as a background process. We use a W95 application to pull a file out of a DataBase to a temporary file on the workstation, then initiate Kermit from a batch file using the temporary file name. Sometimes the transfer works ok, other times it just seems to hang with the first packet, and other times there are many retries before the transfer completes. When Kermit is called from the W95 application several messages appear in the DOS window "?This port will be operated through the Bios as BIOS1" and "Unimplemented speed" when 19200 is selected as the baud rate. When I change the port settings from BIOS1 to COM1 the file transfers every time. Is there a way to override the BIOS1 setting from a batch file? Would K95 be a better choice to do file transfers in a W95 environment? From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 6 18:24:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27880 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA12625 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:01:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: MSK in W95 Date: 6 Apr 1999 22:01:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ee079$cae$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <370A6667.1501DC84@boeing.com>, David Hauck wrote: : I am having some difficulty using MSK in the Win95 and WinNTW : environments. We are using MSK version 3.10... : >From 1991. The current version is 3.15, with 3.16 in Beta test: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html : ...to communicate with : computer controlled milling machines. The machine controls are running : kermit server as a background process. We use a W95 application to pull : a file out of a DataBase to a temporary file on the workstation, then : initiate Kermit from a batch file using the temporary file name. : Sometimes the transfer works ok, other times it just seems to hang with : the first packet, and other times there are many retries before the : transfer completes. When Kermit is called from the W95 application : several messages appear in the DOS window "?This port will be operated : through the Bios as BIOS1" and "Unimplemented speed" when 19200 is : selected as the baud rate. When I change the port settings from BIOS1 : to COM1 the file transfers every time. Is there a way to override the : BIOS1 setting from a batch file? : Wherever the Kermit commands are coming from, you should be able to include "set port com1" among them. But the real question is... : Would K95 be a better choice to do file transfers in a W95 environment? : In most cases, and increasingly as PCs are built specifically for Windows and are full of Windows-only or Plug-n-Play devices: yes. MS-DOS Kermit can usually work in Windows 95 with perfectly standard COM ports as long no other application (e.g. a fax receiver) has "registered" for them with TAPI, but otherwise all bets are off. Actually all bets are off in just about every case, since problems like the one you are reporting are the rule rather than the exception, the moreso with newer PCs. Our recommendation when you run into trouble with with MS-DOS on Windows 95 (98, NT, or OS/2) is to use Kermit 95, which runs native on those platforms. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 6 22:54:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17366 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA26639 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 22:33:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: MSK in W95 Message-ID: Date: 6 Apr 99 20:29:49 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <370A6667.1501DC84@boeing.com>, David Hauck writes: > I am having some difficulty using MSK in the Win95 and WinNTW > environments. We are using MSK version 3.10 to communicate with > computer controlled milling machines. The machine controls are running > kermit server as a background process. We use a W95 application to pull > a file out of a DataBase to a temporary file on the workstation, then > initiate Kermit from a batch file using the temporary file name. > Sometimes the transfer works ok, other times it just seems to hang with > the first packet, and other times there are many retries before the > transfer completes. When Kermit is called from the W95 application > several messages appear in the DOS window "?This port will be operated > through the Bios as BIOS1" and "Unimplemented speed" when 19200 is > selected as the baud rate. When I change the port settings from BIOS1 > to COM1 the file transfers every time. Is there a way to override the > BIOS1 setting from a batch file? Would K95 be a better choice to do file > transfers in a W95 environment? ---------- What is happening is MSK's detection of serial port hardware is failing because either Windows proclaims ownership or Windows introduces long enough time delays between Kermit machine instructions that things seem to fail. When the test fails Kermit retreats to using the Bios, and that is good only for 300 bps modems and the like. One suggestion is to ensure Windows has no knowledge of the serial port. That includes not using any "Winmodem" software. Another is to SET PORT COM1, and then do it again, more or less as you did by hand. The first time to probe, and the second to probe again if Windows has backed away. Kermit95 is a Windows only program, and it communicates to the serial port though the drivers of Windows. Thus it is not in competition with Windows for access. Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 7 18:25:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19092 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA12500 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:13:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Job Eisses Subject: Re: Setting Auto Answer with 3.14 on USR 56K Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 00:11:38 +0200 Organization: A2000 Kabeltelevisie en Telecommunicatie Message-ID: <370BD81A.D92D02AB@direct.A2000.nl> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Steve Baus wrote: > > I am having a heck of a time getting auto answer set on a USR Courier V > everything using a kermit script file that simply sets the port, speed does > an ATX and then issues an AT&F...S0=1\13 using the output command. Comes > back with an OK but the AA light does not come on. I stayed away from these because I could not talk "hayes" to them. Are you sure they should understand ATS0=1 ? -job From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 15 15:58:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07015 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA27195 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:52:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: john_cosimano@my-dejanews.com Subject: Can kermit take its configuration from stdin? (Unix) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:39:24 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7f5f9b$2vp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to figure out if there is a way to have kermit take its configration file from stdin. I am running on RedHat Linux 5.2. Basically, I am running a multiport serial board (256 serial connections), and I want to avoid writing 256 configuration files. The only configuration directive that needs to change from file to file is the set line /dev/ttyC#. I figured it would be nice if I could have a template file and construct the full configuration file based on an argument or two I pass to a wrapper script I have written for my application. My idea, however, will only work if one can force kermit to take its config from stdin. A cursory glance through the documentation didn't show anything promising. Is this possible? Thanks, John -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 15 16:28:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15292 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA27706 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:02:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Can kermit take its configuration from stdin? (Unix) Date: 15 Apr 1999 20:02:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7f5gkv$r1o$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7f5f9b$2vp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : I am trying to figure out if there is a way to have kermit take its : configration file from stdin. : : I am running on RedHat Linux 5.2. Basically, I : am running a multiport serial board (256 serial connections), and I want to : avoid writing 256 configuration files. The only configuration directive that : needs to change from file to file is the set line /dev/ttyC#. I figured it : would be nice if I could have a template file and construct the full : configuration file based on an argument or two I pass to a wrapper script I : have written for my application. : : My idea, however, will only work if one can force kermit to take its config : from stdin. A cursory glance through the documentation didn't show anything : promising. Is this possible? : No. Why not just pass the device name on the command line? Example: kermit -l /dev/ttyS0 Or in a shell script: kermit -l $1 This way, the initialization file is independent of the device. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 15 21:28:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11687 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA14724 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:03:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: john_cosimano@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: Can kermit take its configuration from stdin? (Unix) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:37:45 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7f60oo$ihc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7f5gkv$r1o$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > In article <7f5f9b$2vp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > wrote: > : I am trying to figure out if there is a way to have kermit take its > : configration file from stdin. > No. Why not just pass the device name on the command line? Example: > > kermit -l /dev/ttyS0 > > Or in a shell script: > > kermit -l $1 Yeah, that's what I'm doing now. I have a bunch of configuration files, and I wrote my wrapper script so that kermit gets called like: `kermit -y /usr/lib/kermit/configs/some_config_file`. The problem I was looking to solve is that if I want to make a change to the configuration files, I now have 256 files on which to make the change. I figured if I could make kermit get it's configuration from stdin, I would only have one file... Oh, well, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Thanks for following up. --John -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 15 21:28:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11689 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA15858 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:25:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Can kermit take its configuration from stdin? (Unix) Date: 16 Apr 1999 01:25:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7f63ht$ffa$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7f60oo$ihc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : In article <7f5gkv$r1o$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: : > In article <7f5f9b$2vp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, : > wrote: : > : I am trying to figure out if there is a way to have kermit take its : > : configration file from stdin. : : > No. Why not just pass the device name on the command line? Example: : > : > kermit -l /dev/ttyS0 : > : > Or in a shell script: : > : > kermit -l $1 : : Yeah, that's what I'm doing now. I have a bunch of configuration files, and I : wrote my wrapper script so that kermit gets called like: `kermit -y : /usr/lib/kermit/configs/some_config_file`. The problem I was looking to solve : is that if I want to make a change to the configuration files, I now have 256 : files on which to make the change. I figured if I could make kermit get it's : configuration from stdin, I would only have one file... : : Oh, well, there is more than one way to skin a cat : Indeed. If you can describe the actual problem you are trying to solve, maybe I can be more helpful. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun Apr 18 13:51:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06882 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 13:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA06748 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 13:32:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Mark Sapiro Subject: Re: Can kermit take its configuration from stdin? (Unix) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:34:56 -0700 Organization: Not Very Much Message-ID: <371A17C0.3894FCEE@value.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: >>> In article <7f60oo$ihc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: >>> In article <7f5gkv$r1o$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > In article <7f5f9b$2vp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > wrote: > : I am trying to figure out if there is a way to have kermit take its > : configration file from stdin. > > : > No. Why not just pass the device name on the command line? Example: > > kermit -l /dev/ttyS0 > > Or in a shell script: > > kermit -l $1 Yeah, that's what I'm doing now. I have a bunch of configuration files, and I wrote my wrapper script so that kermit gets called like: `kermit -y /usr/lib/kermit/configs/some_config_file`. The problem I was looking to solve is that if I want to make a change to the configuration files, I now have 256 files on which to make the change. I figured if I could make kermit get it's configuration from stdin, I would only have one file... Oh, well, there is more than one way to skin a cat <<< Indeed. If you can describe the actual problem you are trying to solve, maybe I can be more helpful. - Frank <<< John's original post said "The only configuration directive that needs to change from file to file is the set line /dev/ttyC#." If this is in fact the case, it is hard to see why simply removing the set line directive from the configuration file and using the -l option on the command line won't work. However, if there is really a need to have kermit read a dynamically built initialization file, why not just build it in the wrapper script and then write it to say /tmp/process-number.ksc and then invoke kermit with "kermit -y /tmp/process-number.ksc". -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Apr 19 07:52:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA10200 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA19024 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:27:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <371B04D7.366E7DED@kroli.is> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:26:32 +0100 From: Ingimar =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=F6lundarson?= Subject: Kermit 2.1 <--> Kermit 3.14 compatibility To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using a direct clone of PC Kermit 2.1 on a handheld portable data terminal. On the PC side, I'm using PC Kermit 3.14 (that's the newest version I've got to work on Win95, Win98 and WinNT, all running Kermit in a DOS window). My MSKERMIT.INI looks like this: ----- set port 1 set speed 38400 rem set receive packet-length 9000 set send packet-length 9000 ----- When I send a ZIP file to the handheld, I get efficiency up to 20-25%. Does anyone have any suggestions how I can boost it up? // Ingimar From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Apr 19 09:52:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12578 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25488 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:23:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit 2.1 <--> Kermit 3.14 compatibility Date: 19 Apr 1999 13:23:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ffao9$osd$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <371B04D7.366E7DED@kroli.is>, Ingimar =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=F6lundarson?= wrote: : I'm using a direct clone of PC Kermit 2.1 ... : >From 1982? : ... on a handheld portable data : terminal. On the PC side, I'm using PC Kermit 3.14 (that's the newest : version I've got to work on Win95, Win98 and WinNT, all running Kermit : in a DOS window). : My MSKERMIT.INI looks like this: : ----- : set port 1 : set speed 38400 : rem set receive packet-length 9000 : set send packet-length 9000 : ----- : When I send a ZIP file to the handheld, I get efficiency up to 20-25%. : Does anyone have any suggestions how I can boost it up? : I would suspect that "PC Kermit 2.1" is the limiting factor. It can handle only 94-byte packets, no sliding windows, etc. There has been a lot of progress in the last 17 years. On the other hand, I think you have to give credit for the fact that the two do interoperate. How many other software makers offer you interoperability between modern versions and 17-year-old ones? How did this ancient Kermit version find its way to your handheld unit? - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Apr 19 10:22:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20355 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28265 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:07:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: manning@execpc.com (Steve Manning) Subject: Re: Can kermit take its configuration from stdin? (Unix) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:59:10 GMT Organization: ExecPC Internet - Milwaukee, WI Message-ID: <7ffcre$34v@newsops.execpc.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mark Sapiro wrote: >Frank da Cruz wrote: >>>> >In article <7f60oo$ihc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > wrote: >>>> > >Yeah, that's what I'm doing now. I have a bunch of configuration files, and I >wrote my wrapper script so that kermit gets called like: `kermit -y >/usr/lib/kermit/configs/some_config_file`. The problem I was looking to solve >is that if I want to make a change to the configuration files, I now have 256 >files on which to make the change. I figured if I could make kermit get it's >configuration from stdin, I would only have one file... > >Oh, well, there is more than one way to skin a cat ><<< > >Indeed. If you can describe the actual problem you are trying to solve, >maybe I can be more helpful. > >- Frank ><<< > >John's original post said "The only configuration directive that >needs to change from file to file is the set line /dev/ttyC#." > >If this is in fact the case, it is hard to see why simply removing the >set line directive from the configuration file and using the -l option >on the command line won't work. > >However, if there is really a need to have kermit read a dynamically >built initialization file, why not just build it in the wrapper script >and then write it to say /tmp/process-number.ksc and then invoke kermit >with "kermit -y /tmp/process-number.ksc". The generated script file could be as short at two lines: 1. "set line /dev/whatever" 2. "take /path/to/kermit/lib/master.ksc" Using this approach, you could also actually go through the excercise of creating all 256 scripts one time and then never have to worry about them again. Make any changes to master.ksc. I use this sort of approach with some kermit scripts that start up telnet sessions. I actually have some generic scripts for attaching to applications and another script that just does a "set host". To set up a PC at a new site I copy the basic template scripts along with the site-specific script and everything just works. (Yes, we do have a bulk license. Best money we've spent. Apart from our DSL connection to the 'net.) Good luck. Steve Manning Systems Administrator Mega Marts Inc. Milwaukee, WI USA manning@execpc.com From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Apr 19 14:22:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03902 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13809 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:04:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Help on shell script doing ftp Date: 19 Apr 1999 18:04:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ffr73$dfe$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7ff65g$f9d$1@news1.global-one.dk>, Jan Fjeldmark wrote: : Stefan A. Deutscher wrote: : >On Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:05:20 -0500, steve VanArsdale : > wrote: : >>i am looking for a workaround for ftp in an batch AIX shell script. : >> : >>Specifically, we need the script to open an ftp session to a remote AIX : >>system with both the login and the password, check for the existence of : >>a file, and if not present, put the file on the remote directory. If : >>the file is present on the remote directory the script must record an : >>error and exit without putting the file. : >> : >>ftp always prompts for the password, and we can't figure out how to : >>make the script conditional on the presence of the file in the remote : >>directory. : > : >Unless it _has_ to be ftp/ftpd you could try a small kermit script. : >That's at least what I'd do. Cheer, Stefan : : Like telnet, ftp uses .netrc to login to foreign hosts. Put this line in : .netrc: : : machine myhost login myname password mypw : : Now ftp won't prompt for userid or password. : : To test for presence of a specific file on the remote host and act : correspondingly, you wil have to run ftp several times and analyse the out : using grep or similar. : Or as Stephan suggests, you can use Kermit instead of FTP. : >>Specifically, we need the script to open an ftp session to a remote AIX : >>system with both the login and the password, check for the existence of : >>a file, and if not present, put the file on the remote directory. If : >>the file is present on the remote directory the script must record an : >>error and exit without putting the file. : Here's an illustration using C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.06: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html --(cut here)-- #/usr/local/bin/kermit + define fatal { hangup, exit 1 \%1 } set network type tcp/ip if fail exit 1 { Sorry, this version of C-Kermit does not support TCP/IP.} while not def \%1 { ; If hostname/address not supplied ask \%1 { Host: } ; prompt for one until we get it. if > \fsplit(\%1) 1 { ; Allow only one "word" here. echo Just the address please. ; E.g. no TCP port number. undef \%1 } } if not def \%2 { ; If username not supplied ask \%2 { User [\v(user)]: } ; Prompt for one, but default if not def \%2 assign \%2 \v(user) ; to local user ID. } echo Connecting to \%1 as user \%2... set host \%1 23 if fail exit 1 Can't open Telnet connection to \%1. ; Prompt for password if necessary only after connection is made ; (because there's no point in asking for it if the connection failed). while not defined \%3 { askq \%3 { Password for \%2 at \%1: } } set input echo off ; Don't echo scripted interactions. ; Get any of several possible login prompts: minput 20 login: Username: Password: {Password for \%2:} if fail exit 1 Timed out waiting for initial prompt: \v(inwait) sec. if ( = \v(minput) 1 || = \v(minput) 2 ) { lineout \%2 ; User ID required - send it. minput 10 Password: {Password for \%2:} if fail exit 1 Timed out waiting for Password prompt: \v(inwait) sec. } lineout \%3 ; Send password undef \%3 ; Erase password from memory set exit on-disconnect on ; Exit automatically if connection broken. ; Start Kermit server on the remote end ; lineout kermit -x ; From this point all commands are issued from the client. ; ; Let's say the directory in question is /tmp/test ; and the filename is foo. Of course you could use variables here. ; log transactions ; Keep a record of file transfers remote cd /tmp/test if fail fatal {Can't CD to /tmp/test} remote query files(foo) if = \v(query) 0 { writeln transactions File "foo" already exists on server. echo File "foo" already exists on server - quitting... exit 0 } send foo if fail fatal {Upload failed} bye exit 0 Upload succeeded ---(cut here)--- Save this file under whatever name you want, give it execute permission, and then run it as if it were a shell script. The host, username, and password can be given as arguments on the command line; if they are not given, the script prompts you for them. You can simplify the upload part considerably by telling the server to "set file collision discard" -- meaning if the client tries to send it a file whose name is the same as a file already present at the server, the server rejects it. Other options include "set file collision update", meaning to accept the incoming file only if it is newer than the existing one. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Apr 19 18:22:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21453 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA28437 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:02:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.06 Ready for Testing Date: 19 Apr 1999 22:02:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7fg951$roj$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In case you haven't seen C-Kermit 7.0 yet, it's described at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html Here is what's new in Beta.06: General: . PURGE, DELETE, DIRECTORY, and related commands now have consistent switches for file selection and listing options. . New notation for relative dates (+3days, -6months, yesterday, tomorrow) now accepted in any command where a date can be given, e.g. "delete /before:-5days *.txt" (or SEND, or DIR, or MOVE, etc). . Ctrl-L at prompt clears the screen. File Transfer: . ADD SEND-LIST now defaults text/binary according to filename patterns. Communications: . New built-in modem type for Motorola Codex 326X Series (*). . SET DIAL METHOD AUTO defaults tone or pulse by country code. . Assorted Telnet protocol improvements. (*) Last call for adding new built-in modem types to C-Kermit 7.0. If there is a modem you would to have included, please contact me. Scripting: . Expanded command buffer length to allow bigger macros, variables, etc. . New support for compound Boolean expressions. . New Boolean operator != (arithmetically not equal). . IF and XIF merged (so ugly XIF is no longer needed). . New IF conditions: IF OPEN CONNECTION and IF OPEN CX-LOG. . "kerbang" scripts now take arguments from the command line. . New SCREEN command for screen clearing & cursor positioning. . DIR /ARRAY:&a assigns file list to given array. . \fword() and \fsplit() fixes and improvements. . New math operator: prefix ! = logical (not bitwise) NOT. . Improved diagnostics for function-related errors. VMS: . Now can receive files that have name-parts longer than 39 characters. . Skewed autodownload fullscreen file-transfer display fixed. Miscellaneous: . Lots of work on Kerberos/SSL/TLS/etc (ask about this if you're interested). . Various spurious "hints" removed, other hints improved. . Cleaned up SCO makefile targets. . Lots of new symbols for easier correction of compile-time problems. . Closed a timing window in which ^C could cause a crash just after file xfer. . Improved HELP texts. New platforms: . Stratus VOS! (Thanks to Dat Nguyen for building it.) Bugs fixed: . "get /etc/hosts x.x" didn't work (unless you were root :-) . Broken streaming transfers on HP-UX when in remote mode. . FAST, CAUTIOUS, and ROBUST commands were broken in Beta.05. . Macro parameter substitution by empty values did not work. . Kermit on HP-UX 8.00 thought it was in the background after CONNECT. . SEND from SEND-LIST ignored the text/binary mode given in the ADD command. . Local (automatic) arrays could become global under certain conditions. . Several memory leaks plugged. . Various glitches in IKSD. To pick up a copy and/or for further details, visit the C-Kermit 7.0 web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html Report problems to: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 20 17:52:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20333 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA13883 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:33:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: john@chewter.powernet.co.uk Subject: Connecting pc anywhere to c-kermit server Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:21:30 GMT Message-ID: <371ceed4.12751985@news.powernet.co.uk> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu server doesnt respond to pc-anywhere send file/receive file commands - yes it it set to kermit protocol pc-anywhere's help line asked me how to spell kermit!!!! any clues anyone? ms-kermit works without a hitch ps why does Kermit-95 cost $54 in the us and £54.00 in uk from their authorized distributor - good markup eh? thanks in advance john chewter From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 20 22:22:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA27334 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA29738 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:08:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Chris Henschen Subject: Kermit 95 with windows 98 local Printing Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:45:20 -0400 Organization: Wood County Internet Council Message-ID: <371D2DB0.929E3A3C@wcnet.org> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having a problem with local printing to laser printers with windows 98. My dataBase on SCO Unix when local printing with windows95 works fine, but windows 98 prints weird a symbols instead of lines. When I set the kemit on the 98 to print locally to lpt2 which is networked to a 95 machine it prints fine. Is there something different between the 95 and 98. I'm using the same print drive on both systems and same printer, with the same internal settings. Also the printer prints all the win98 applications fine. Kermit is set to print to the DOS device. Thanks Chris Henschen chrish@wcnet.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 21 01:22:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA18026 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA09550 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:53:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Kermit 95 with windows 98 local Printing Date: 21 Apr 1999 04:53:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7fjlk0$98l$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <371D2DB0.929E3A3C@wcnet.org>, Chris Henschen wrote: : I'm having a problem with local printing to laser printers with windows : 98. My dataBase on SCO Unix when local printing with windows95 works : fine, but windows 98 prints weird a symbols instead of lines. When I : set the kemit on the 98 to print locally to lpt2 which is networked to a : 95 machine it prints fine. Is there something different between the 95 : and 98. I'm using the same print drive on both systems and same : printer, with the same internal settings. Also the printer prints all : the win98 applications fine. Kermit is set to print to the DOS device. : : Thanks : Chris Henschen : chrish@wcnet.org : Printing to DOS devices is not very well supported on Windows 9x. If it works great, if not use a Windows Printer Queue. They are much more reliable. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 21 11:02:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16953 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA12108 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:36:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Modems, Xmodem, VMS, etc. ????? Date: 21 Apr 1999 14:36:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7fknpf$bqa$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <371DD6A2.808B11A@email.hsc.vcu.edu>, Jim Agnew wrote: : Paul Lentz wrote: : > : > Dale A. Dellutri wrote: : > > : > > On Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:51:45 -0500, : > > Paul Lentz wrote: : > > > I need to pick up a file from a bank's info service using XMODEM. : > : > > Use C-Kermit. The most recent version for VMS is 7.0.195 Beta.05, : Beta.06 was announced on Monday: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html : > Sorry Dale, Like I said it needs to be XMODEM and I have no control over : > the other end. : XMODEM is not exactly a robust protocol for financial transactions. The bank should think again. : hhmm... i'm aware under dos kermit it's possible to run zmodem and : xmodem under the kermit program... : It's possible under C-Kermit too, at least in UNIX. For the past several years, C-Kermit has had a "set protocol" command to let you set up external protocols. This works in UNIX when the external protocol program uses standard input and output. This frequently requested feature has not been implemented in the VMS version of C-Kermit yet. However, it's not too late to get it into C-Kermit 7.0. Any VMS C programmers who would like to help and are comfortable with sys$qio..(), subprocess manipulation, etc, please contact me. Meanwhile, as noted in the current VMS C-Kermit documentation, there is a way to accomplish the same thing "by hand". Quoting from CKVKER.BWR: You can use the ZMODEM SZ and RZ commands as "external protocols" over a connection you have established with C-Kermit, to a host or service that does not support Kermit protocol. Start the file transfer on the remote end, escape back to C-Kermit, give the SPAWN command, and then (for example): $ define tt xxx: $ rz where xxx is the designation of the terminal device (TT or LTA) that you have dialed out on. When the transfer is complete, LOGOUT from the SPAWN'd subprocess and you'll be back at the C-Kermit prompt. (End quote) - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 22 13:47:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29218 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA18767 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:17:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: New Kermit Script Library Date: 22 Apr 1999 17:17:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7fnlju$iad$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Now that C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.06 is available, which includes several new scripting features -- most notably the new ability (in UNIX) to to run Kermit scripts just like shell scripts (command-line arguments and all) -- we have added a new section to the Kermit website: The Kermit Script Library http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/scriptlib.html It should answer many of the more frequently asked questions as well as illustrate some newer programming techniques. Kermit users are welcome to submit their own scripts to the library (as some already have). If they are of general interest, illustrate some principal or function not already covered, and are well documented, we'd be glad to consider them, as well as suggestions for improvement of the site or the scripts themselves. - Frank