From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 22 13:47:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29218 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA18767 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:17:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: New Kermit Script Library Date: 22 Apr 1999 17:17:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7fnlju$iad$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Now that C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.06 is available, which includes several new scripting features -- most notably the new ability (in UNIX) to to run Kermit scripts just like shell scripts (command-line arguments and all) -- we have added a new section to the Kermit website: The Kermit Script Library http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/scriptlib.html It should answer many of the more frequently asked questions as well as illustrate some newer programming techniques. Kermit users are welcome to submit their own scripts to the library (as some already have). If they are of general interest, illustrate some principal or function not already covered, and are well documented, we'd be glad to consider them, as well as suggestions for improvement of the site or the scripts themselves. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 22 19:17:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11401 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA07841 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:07:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: C-Kermit 7.0 for Stratus VOS Date: 22 Apr 1999 23:07:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7foa3i$7kv$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu C-Kermit 7.0 communications software is in the late stages of Beta testing. The latest test release (Beta.06) is available for VOS: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html Unlike the previous version (6.0) this one includes TCP/IP and X.25 networking support, so it can not only act as the file-transfer agent on connections to VOS, and make dialout connections from VOS, but now can make TCP/IP and X.25 connections from VOS too. On all these connection types it can: . Transfer files . Translate character sets . Execute scripts to automate anything you could do by hand. VOS users are encouraged to download and test it before the final release and report any problems to: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 22 22:47:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA21595 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA18259 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:42:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Chris Henschen Subject: Re: Kermit 95 with windows 98 local Printing Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:29:17 -0400 Organization: Wood County Internet Council Message-ID: <371FDAFC.961B16BB@wcnet.org> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've tried using the windows drivers, but they have always given me the a's for my lines. Seem like the character sets are different between the win98 and 95. Jeffrey Altman wrote: > Printing to DOS devices is not very well supported on Windows 9x. > If it works great, if not use a Windows Printer Queue. They are > much more reliable. > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 22 23:47:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29551 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA20260 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:27:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Kermit 95 with windows 98 local Printing Date: 23 Apr 1999 03:27:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7fopak$jp1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <371FDAFC.961B16BB@wcnet.org>, Chris Henschen wrote: : I've tried using the windows drivers, but they have always given me the a's for : my lines. Seem like the character sets are different between the win98 and 95. There are no character-set issues when printing to a Windows Print Queue as the printer is opened in RAW mode. The data from the host goes to the printer without editing. Send mail to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Confirm that you are using Kermit 1.1.17 and that when you set the printer to point to a file that you are getting the data in the file that you are expecting. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 23 22:18:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22842 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA17058 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:52:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Christopher Mosley Subject: resend command Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:52:34 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When downloading (solaris ckermit -> mskermit), the part of the file already downloaded is not subtracted from the size of the file to be downloaded (or equivalently added to the available download space), so an invalid comparison is made and an attempt to download can fail - even though there is enough disk space on the receiving machine. Any way around this ? Thanks From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 23 22:18:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22844 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA18190 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 22:14:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:11:00 -0700 From: fisch@badger1.net (Fisch) Subject: Kermit package? Message-ID: Organization: Newshosting.com To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anybody been using kermit out of the packages collection? I just built it on my NetBSD 1.3.2 unix box. It runs OK, but the escape key sequence (^\ - c) doesn't work to get me back to command mode. I actually have to kill off the xterm to get out of it once I connect. The control-\ key sequence has no effect whatsoever. the rest of the program seems to work fine. If I telnet to another computer and then log out, I get backto command mode OK, or if I set the line to /dev/tty00, then connect, I get to the modem fine. I can dial and send modem commands. But after I hang up the modem, there's no way to escape back to command mode. I tried setting the escape key sequence to something else with "set escape ^\" and also tried "set escape 28" Still no dice. [/home/roger] C-Kermit>sho escape Escape character: Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS): local only [/home/roger] C-Kermit> Any ideas? Thanks, From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 23 23:18:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29404 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA20486 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:01:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: resend command Date: 24 Apr 1999 03:01:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7frc5f$k03$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Christopher Mosley wrote: : When downloading (solaris ckermit -> mskermit), the part of the : file already downloaded is not subtracted from the size of : the file to be downloaded (or equivalently added to the available : download space), so an invalid comparison is made and an attempt to : download can fail - even though there is enough disk space on the : receiving machine. : Any way around this ? : : Thanks Between what versions of C-Kermit and MS-DOS kermit are you experiencing this problem? With what file collision options? Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 23 23:48:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03731 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA22051 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:35:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fb@enteract.com (Frederick Bruckman) Subject: Re: Kermit package? Date: 24 Apr 1999 03:35:12 GMT Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Message-ID: <7fre5g$q6b$1@eve.enteract.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , fisch@badger1.net (Fisch) writes: > It runs OK, but the escape key sequence (^\ - c) doesn't > work to get me back to command mode. I actually have to kill > off the xterm to get out of it once I connect. The control-\ > key sequence has no effect whatsoever. Try control-forward-slash. That works on the mac68k console, but in an xterm, kermit uses control-backslash. I suspect the remapping dates to before 101-keyboards were common, and has simply escaped notice. If you don't have a mac, you could look in the kernel sources to see what key ASCII 28 really maps to. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Apr 24 01:18:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA12725 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA26205 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:04:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Christopher Mosley Subject: Re: resend command Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:01:39 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman wrote: > In article , > Christopher Mosley wrote: > : When downloading (solaris ckermit -> mskermit), the part of the > : file already downloaded is not subtracted from the size of > : the file to be downloaded (or equivalently added to the available > : download space), so an invalid comparison is made and an attempt to > : download can fail - even though there is enough disk space on the > : receiving machine. > : Any way around this ? > : > : Thanks > Between what versions of C-Kermit and MS-DOS kermit are you experiencing > this problem? C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x and msk315 > With what file collision options? * rename on mskermit side backup on ckermit ( I don't this side important for download to pc?). From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Apr 24 02:18:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA18993 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 02:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA28061 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:55:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Christopher Mosley Subject: Re: resend command Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:54:25 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Christopher Mosley wrote: > Jeffrey Altman wrote: >> In article , >> Christopher Mosley wrote: >> : When downloading (solaris ckermit -> mskermit), the part of the >> : file already downloaded is not subtracted from the size of >> : the file to be downloaded (or equivalently added to the available >> : download space), so an invalid comparison is made and an attempt to >> : download can fail - even though there is enough disk space on the >> : receiving machine. >> : Any way around this ? >> : >> : Thanks when I say download, I mean resend not send. >> Between what versions of C-Kermit and MS-DOS kermit are you experiencing >> this problem? > C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x and msk315 >> With what file collision options? > * rename on mskermit side > backup on ckermit ( I don't this side important for download to pc?). I will try overwrite and other options but I would have thought that resend would have been independent of collision options because it in itself is a collision option that allows no other collision option. But perhaps it affects how the computation is done? I will see. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Apr 24 10:18:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25168 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19307 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:09:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: resend command Date: 24 Apr 1999 14:09:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7fsj9u$ir8$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Christopher Mosley wrote: : When downloading (solaris ckermit -> mskermit), the part of the : file already downloaded is not subtracted from the size of : the file to be downloaded (or equivalently added to the available : download space), so an invalid comparison is made and an attempt to : download can fail - even though there is enough disk space on the : receiving machine. : This sounds like a bug. We'll see if we can get it fixed in 3.16. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Apr 24 10:48:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03283 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19804 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:21:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit package? Date: 24 Apr 1999 14:21:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7fsk1d$jai$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Fisch wrote: : Has anybody been using kermit out of the packages collection? : What packages collection? Which version of C-Kermit? : I just built it on my NetBSD 1.3.2 unix box. : NetBSD on what? PC, Sparc, ...? Using which makefile target? : It runs OK, but the escape key sequence (^\ - c) doesn't : work to get me back to command mode. : I have heard a couple reports like this regarding various UNIX varieties on various kinds of workstations. Are you using the workstation console? Are you running it in an xterm? Are you running it from a remote access point (e.g. Telnet'd, Rlogin'd or dialed in)? It sounds to me like the console, window, or terminal driver is not delivering the Ctrl-\ character to Kermit. Some workstations don't let you type Ctrl-\, for example the NeXTstation. For those (i.e. the ones we know about we use a different escape character by default, such as Ctrl-]. Also note that in order to allow you to use Ctrl-\ as the escape character, we have to disable SIGQUIT (the Quit signal). Maybe your version of UNIX doesn't allow this. I doubt it, but it's a possibility -- I've recently encountered other UNIX versions that did not allow applications to disable certain keyboard-generated signals (or, at least, not with the regular APIs). : the rest of the program seems to work fine. If I telnet to : another computer and then log out, I get backto command mode : OK, or if I set the line to /dev/tty00, then connect, I get : to the modem fine. I can dial and send modem commands. But : after I hang up the modem, there's no way to escape back to : command mode. : Then that's another problem -- C-Kermit *should* pop back to the prompt automatically when the modem drops carrier, assuming you have used the DIAL command to make the connection in the first place, and have not given a SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF command. : I tried setting the escape key sequence to something else : with "set escape ^\" and also tried "set escape 28" : Try something besides Ctrl-Backslash. For example: set escape ^] ; or 29 In the meantime, please try C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.06: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html It should handle modems better, and if there are any further problems, that's the version we'd be fixing them in. Please follow up to: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat Apr 24 19:18:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10649 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA13726 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:02:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: resend command Message-ID: <9ahhS4tlQf7i@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Apr 99 13:07:35 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Christopher Mosley writes: > When downloading (solaris ckermit -> mskermit), the part of the > file already downloaded is not subtracted from the size of > the file to be downloaded (or equivalently added to the available > download space), so an invalid comparison is made and an attempt to > download can fail - even though there is enough disk space on the > receiving machine. > Any way around this ? -------- It's a bug. I will try to fix it this weekend and issue a new rev to MSK 3.16 beta. Thanks, Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon Apr 26 02:05:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20843 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA07193 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:46:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:41:11 -0700 From: fisch@badger1.net (Fisch) Subject: Re: Kermit package? Message-ID: Organization: Newshosting.com To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7fsk1d$jai$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article , >Fisch wrote: >: Has anybody been using kermit out of the packages collection? >: >What packages collection? Which version of C-Kermit? Oops, sorry. This was also cross posted to the "NetBSD" newsgroup. The packages collection is a collection of software with patches an makefiles ready to be built on NetBSD systems. Read up at www.netbsd.org for more info. > >: I just built it on my NetBSD 1.3.2 unix box. >: >NetBSD on what? PC, Sparc, ...? Using which makefile target? On a Macintosh >Are you using the workstation console? Are you running it in >an xterm? Are you running it from a remote access point (e.g. >Telnet'd, Rlogin'd or dialed in)? I was running it from an xterm, >: I tried setting the escape key sequence to something else >: with "set escape ^\" and also tried "set escape 28" >: >Try something besides Ctrl-Backslash. For example: > > set escape ^] ; or 29 I did try this. No dice. I'll try something else. thanks for the help. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 27 00:43:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA23075 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA11970 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:21:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3724858B.71617E56@kroli.is> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:26:03 +0100 From: Ingimar =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=F6lundarson?= Subject: Re: Kermit 2.1 <--> Kermit 3.14 compatibility To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Well, Symbol Technologies (www.symbol.com) only have this version of Kermit, or a program which they themselves developed, called TDREM (which is not supported under WinNT). I'll tell them to wake up and update their Kermit clone. Regarding my other problem, versions supported under Win95/98/NT: You being an expert on the matter, do you know of any newer version (than 3.14) which can be run under Win95/98/NT? // Ingimar Volundarson Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article <371B04D7.366E7DED@kroli.is>, > Ingimar =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=F6lundarson?= wrote: > : I'm using a direct clone of PC Kermit 2.1 ... > : > From 1982? > > : ... on a handheld portable data > : terminal. On the PC side, I'm using PC Kermit 3.14 (that's the newest > : version I've got to work on Win95, Win98 and WinNT, all running Kermit > : in a DOS window). > : My MSKERMIT.INI looks like this: > : ----- > : set port 1 > : set speed 38400 > : rem set receive packet-length 9000 > : set send packet-length 9000 > : ----- > : When I send a ZIP file to the handheld, I get efficiency up to 20-25%. > : Does anyone have any suggestions how I can boost it up? > : > I would suspect that "PC Kermit 2.1" is the limiting factor. It can > handle only 94-byte packets, no sliding windows, etc. There has been a > lot of progress in the last 17 years. > > On the other hand, I think you have to give credit for the fact that the > two do interoperate. How many other software makers offer you > interoperability between modern versions and 17-year-old ones? > > How did this ancient Kermit version find its way to your handheld unit? > > - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 27 09:13:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04455 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA06423 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:04:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit 2.1 <--> Kermit 3.14 compatibility Date: 27 Apr 1999 13:04:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7g4ckc$68l$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3724858B.71617E56@kroli.is>, Ingimar =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=F6lundarson?= wrote: : Well, Symbol Technologies (www.symbol.com) only have this version of Kermit, : or a program which they themselves developed, called TDREM (which is not : supported under WinNT). I'll tell them to wake up and update their Kermit : clone. Regarding my other problem, versions supported under Win95/98/NT: You : being an expert on the matter, do you know of any newer version (than 3.14) : which can be run under Win95/98/NT? : Yes, Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 27 11:13:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09732 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13091 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:08:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: C-Kermit on NetBSD Date: 27 Apr 1999 15:08:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7g4jtn$cp0$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu C-Kermit 7.0 is in the late stages of Beta testing: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html NetBSD users who have reported problems with the previous version are encouraged to try the new version to see whether those problems have been fixed or still occur. Please send reports of compilation and/or linking problems as well as runtime problems to: kermit-support@columbia.edu I'd also like to get NetBSD binaries for non-PC platforms: PowerPC, Alpha, Amiga, MIPS, etc. (See the binaries at the aforementioned website.) If you can contribute one, please let me know. Thanks! - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 27 11:43:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19019 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14058 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:25:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: lnayvelt@my-dejanews.com Subject: DDE complient Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:13:43 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7g4k72$sfc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does any one know , if KERMIT is DDE complient? -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 27 11:43:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19022 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14801 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:38:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: DDE complient Date: 27 Apr 1999 15:38:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7g4ll5$eee$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7g4k72$sfc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : Does any one know , if KERMIT is DDE complient? : It depends what you mean by that. Do you mean, has it been certified by some kind of committee? No. Or do you mean, is there some kind of "Kermit API" that meets some kind of DDE specification? Probably not. Or do you mean, can it be used from within a DDE environment? Probably. What is the real nature of your question? What goal are you trying to accomplish? - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 27 12:13:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27440 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15337 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:49:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: lnayvelt@my-dejanews.com Subject: Kermit complience Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:27:15 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7g4l0c$tdu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does any one know if Kermit is DDE compliant? -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 30 16:44:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17414 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10187 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:32:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: lnayvelt@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: DDE complient Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:23:41 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7gd3gc$d0j$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank- We have purchased a Melita auto-dialer system, that need to CUT/PASTE an account number from Melita to a VT320 host screen. I believe the terminal emulator need to support either DDE or EHLLAPI. We have Kermit. Will it work? In article <7g4ll5$eee$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > In article <7g4k72$sfc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > wrote: > : Does any one know , if KERMIT is DDE complient? > : > It depends what you mean by that. Do you mean, has it been certified by > some kind of committee? No. Or do you mean, is there some kind of "Kermit > API" that meets some kind of DDE specification? Probably not. Or do you > mean, can it be used from within a DDE environment? Probably. > > What is the real nature of your question? What goal are you trying to > accomplish? > > - Frank > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 30 17:14:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22871 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA12018 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:00:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: DDE complient Date: 30 Apr 1999 21:00:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7gd5l5$bne$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7gd3gc$d0j$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : Frank- We have purchased a Melita auto-dialer system, that need to CUT/PASTE : an account number from Melita to a VT320 host screen. I believe the terminal : emulator need to support either DDE or EHLLAPI. We have Kermit. Will it work? : Here is the response we gave Alan Zipkin from Melita last week when he asked does Kermit 95 support DDE or EHLLAPI: No. K95 does not support either DDE or EHLLAPI at the present time. The reason for not supporting EHLLAPI is that I have never been able to find a specification for exactly what EHLLAPI is. If you have one I would be more than happy to consider implementing it. Is K95 being started from your application or independent of your application? Since you are working on NT it is possible for you to push keyboard events into the K95 Window's event queue. #include #include int main( int argc, char * argv[] ) { INPUT_RECORD k ; KEY_EVENT_RECORD * pKey=&k.Event.KeyEvent; DWORD count = 0; int rc=0, c, i ; HWND hWin = NULL; HANDLE hKbd = NULL; char title[128]; if ( argc >= 2 ) { sprintf(title,"%s - K-95",argv[1]); } else strcpy(title,"K-95"); hWin = FindWindow(NULL, title); if ( !hWin ) { printf("Unable to find window handle\n"); return(1); } hKbd = GetStdHandle( STD_INPUT_HANDLE ) ; while ( 1 ) { if ( WAIT_OBJECT_0 == WaitForSingleObject(hKbd,-1) ) { rc = ReadConsoleInput( hKbd, &k, 1, &count ) ; } if ( count && k.EventType == KEY_EVENT && pKey->bKeyDown) { PostMessage(hWin, WM_KEYDOWN, pKey->wVirtualKeyCode, (pKey->dwControlKeyState & ENHANCED_KEY?1:0)<<24 | pKey->wVirtualScanCode << 16 | 1 ); PostMessage(hWin, WM_KEYUP, pKey->wVirtualKeyCode, 1 << 31 | 1 << 30 | (pKey->dwControlKeyState & ENHANCED_KEY?1:0)<<24 | pKey->wVirtualScanCode << 16 | 1 ); } } return(0); } Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 3 14:15:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20783 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA21594 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 3 May 1999 13:47:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Tim Shoppa Subject: Re: Help w/ file transfer in RT-11 Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 13:46:10 -0400 Organization: Trailing Edge Technology Message-ID: <372DA8A2.10575DCF@trailing-edge.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Karl Beykirch wrote: > > I have inherited an LSI-11 computer running RT-11. I'm pathetically > ignorant about RT-11. I have lots of data files for which I have a > program that will output a summary to the terminal (a mac running term > emulation- VersaTerm Pro). I need the whole file, not just the summary. > The programmer who wrote the programs has left to do better things, and > suggests editing the FORTRAN code, recompiling and outputting > anything/everything. My problem: It has been over 14 years since I > have edited in RT-11, coded in FORTRAN, compiled-linked-debugged, and I > think those brain cells died. > > Since I know the format of the files, I think the easiest thing would be > to transfer them to the mac, where I can easily extract everything. The > only communication ports on the DEC are serial, so I tried something > like: COPY ABCDAT.123 TT: > > This causes lots of nice jibberish to dance all over the screen, but the > captured stream is incomplete. Seeing how you get jibberish all over your screen, the file is almost certainly a binary file. In order to move these files over a serial line, you want to use Kermit on both ends; Kermit for the RT-11 is available by anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu. If I recall correctly, VersaTerm Pro on a Mac has a rudimentary Kermit implementation in it. Alternatively, you can use physical media (floppy, tape, Zip cartridge, whatever is in common to both systems) to move the files, or put TCP/IP on both the RT-11 and the Mac and FTP the files in and out. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa@trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 3 14:45:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02130 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23443 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:15:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Karl Beykirch Subject: Re: Help w/ file transfer in RT-11 Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 11:14:45 -0800 Organization: University of California, Los Angeles Message-ID: <372DF5B2.AF9469C6@ucla.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tim Shoppa wrote: > > Seeing how you get jibberish all over your screen, the file is > almost certainly a binary file. In order to move these files over > a serial line, you want to use Kermit on both > ends; Kermit for the RT-11 is available by anonymous ftp from > kermit.columbia.edu. If I recall correctly, VersaTerm Pro > on a Mac has a rudimentary Kermit implementation in it. > > Alternatively, you can use physical media (floppy, tape, Zip > cartridge, whatever is in common to both systems) to move the > files, or put TCP/IP on both the RT-11 and the Mac and FTP the > files in and out. Thanks Tim. Our data is binary. I like the Kermit idea, but the PDP is on a communication island. No ethernet, 8" floppy, serial lines, no common media. I can download Kermit, but how do I get it on the PDP? Can I get it on an 8" floppy somewhere? Thanks again, Karl From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 3 14:45:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02137 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA24492 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:33:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Tim Shoppa Subject: Re: Help w/ file transfer in RT-11 Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 14:27:15 -0400 Organization: Trailing Edge Technology Message-ID: <372DB243.30E2335C@trailing-edge.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Karl Beykirch wrote: > > Tim Shoppa wrote: > > > > Seeing how you get jibberish all over your screen, the file is > > almost certainly a binary file. In order to move these files over > > a serial line, you want to use Kermit on both > > ends; Kermit for the RT-11 is available by anonymous ftp from > > kermit.columbia.edu. If I recall correctly, VersaTerm Pro > > on a Mac has a rudimentary Kermit implementation in it. > > > > Alternatively, you can use physical media (floppy, tape, Zip > > cartridge, whatever is in common to both systems) to move the > > files, or put TCP/IP on both the RT-11 and the Mac and FTP the > > files in and out. > > Thanks Tim. > > Our data is binary. > I like the Kermit idea, but the PDP is on a communication island. No > ethernet, 8" floppy, serial lines, no common media. I can download > Kermit, but how do I get it on the PDP? Rather detailed instructions can be found in krthex.mac, part of the KRT distribution in ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/b/ > Can I get it on an 8" floppy somewhere? Yes, I and others can run off copies for you. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa@trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 3 19:45:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA19743 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA11986 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:36:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Stuart Brook Subject: Re: Help w/ file transfer in RT-11 Date: 03 May 1999 16:35:54 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Message-ID: <372E32D6.5F01@concentric.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tim Shoppa wrote: > > Karl Beykirch wrote: > > > > Tim Shoppa wrote: > > > > > > Seeing how you get jibberish all over your screen, the file is > > > almost certainly a binary file. In order to move these files over > > > a serial line, you want to use Kermit on both > > > ends; Kermit for the RT-11 is available by anonymous ftp from > > > kermit.columbia.edu. If I recall correctly, VersaTerm Pro > > > on a Mac has a rudimentary Kermit implementation in it. > > > > > > Alternatively, you can use physical media (floppy, tape, Zip > > > cartridge, whatever is in common to both systems) to move the > > > files, or put TCP/IP on both the RT-11 and the Mac and FTP the > > > files in and out. > > > > Thanks Tim. > > > > Our data is binary. > > I like the Kermit idea, but the PDP is on a communication island. No > > ethernet, 8" floppy, serial lines, no common media. I can download > > Kermit, but how do I get it on the PDP? > > Rather detailed instructions can be found in krthex.mac, part > of the KRT distribution in > > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/b/ > > > Can I get it on an 8" floppy somewhere? > > Yes, I and others can run off copies for you. But the thing is that the binary files will not be a lot of use to you on the Mac, nor on a PDP if you transferred them back. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 3 20:15:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22803 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 20:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA13061 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 3 May 1999 19:59:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Karl Beykirch Subject: Re: Help w/ file transfer in RT-11 Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 16:58:24 -0800 Organization: University of California, Los Angeles Message-ID: <372E462B.9754C4ED@ucla.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Stuart Brook wrote: > > > Our data is binary. > But the thing is that the binary files will not be a lot of use to you > on the Mac, nor on a PDP if you transferred them back. I know the format of the binary files, and therefore can easily convert it on a mac or pc (we have macs in that particular lab) using Labview. Karl From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 4 00:45:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26142 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 00:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA27519 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 4 May 1999 00:36:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Bob Schor Subject: Re: Help w/ file transfer in RT-11 Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 00:37:56 -0400 Organization: University of Pittsburgh Message-ID: <372E79A4.289A9E8A@vms.cis.pitt.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tim Shoppa wrote: > > Karl Beykirch wrote: > > > > I have inherited an LSI-11 computer running RT-11. I'm pathetically > > ignorant about RT-11. I have lots of data files for which I have a > > program that will output a summary to the terminal (a mac running term > > emulation- VersaTerm Pro). I need the whole file, not just the summary. > > Since I know the format of the files, I think the easiest thing would be > > to transfer them to the mac, where I can easily extract everything. The > > only communication ports on the DEC are serial, so I tried something > > like: COPY ABCDAT.123 TT: > > > > This causes lots of nice jibberish to dance all over the screen, but the > > captured stream is incomplete. > > Seeing how you get jibberish all over your screen, the file is > almost certainly a binary file. In order to move these files over > a serial line, you want to use Kermit on both > ends; Kermit for the RT-11 is available by anonymous ftp from > kermit.columbia.edu. If I recall correctly, VersaTerm Pro > on a Mac has a rudimentary Kermit implementation in it. > > Alternatively, you can use physical media (floppy, tape, Zip > cartridge, whatever is in common to both systems) to move the > files, or put TCP/IP on both the RT-11 and the Mac and FTP the > files in and out. > If you really want to be "quick and dirty", for example, to see what you have there, there is nothing quite like DUMP/TERM filnam.ext, which will give you a nicely-formatted octal + Ascii dump of your data file, all of the bytes. If you want, you can add the /NOASCII switch to turn off the final Ascii column. This is probably NOT the way to go for doing any sizable amount of data, but to do a quick "reality check" on a file or two, it is quick, easy, and requires no extra hardware or software! Bob Schor RT-11/TSX+ User/Abuser P.S. -- In fact, I transfer mostly with FTP these days, though I've also used Billy Y's Kermit implementation, KRT, quite successfully. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 4 12:45:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11714 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03685 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 4 May 1999 12:27:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jburnett4096@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: Help w/ file transfer in RT-11 Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:06:34 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <7gn5u7$e9h$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <372E79A4.289A9E8A@vms.cis.pitt.edu>, Bob Schor wrote: > Tim Shoppa wrote: > > > > Karl Beykirch wrote: > > > > > > I have inherited an LSI-11 computer running RT-11. I'm pathetically > > > ignorant about RT-11. I have lots of data files for which I have a > > > program that will output a summary to the terminal (a mac running term > > > emulation- VersaTerm Pro). I need the whole file, not just the summary. > > > Since I know the format of the files, I think the easiest thing would be > > > to transfer them to the mac, where I can easily extract everything. The > > > only communication ports on the DEC are serial, so I tried something > > > like: COPY ABCDAT.123 TT: > > > > > > This causes lots of nice jibberish to dance all over the screen, but the > > > captured stream is incomplete. > > If you need a PDPtoFLT routine, post what language you will be using on the Mac. Regards, James S. Burnett jburnett@helstf.wsmr.army.mil Raytheon/SLBD/HELSTF -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 4 13:45:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01957 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA06986 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 4 May 1999 13:28:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Karl Beykirch Subject: Re: Help w/ file transfer in RT-11 Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:17:40 -0700 Organization: University of California, Los Angeles Message-ID: <372F2BB0.155C8747@ucla.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jburnett4096@my-dejanews.com wrote: > If you need a PDPtoFLT routine, post what language you will be using on the > Mac. > > Regards, > > James S. Burnett Thanks! But, once I get it to the Mac, I'm set. The software I will use to analyze the data (LabVIEW) has plenty of data conversion features. For this task, at least, I am competent. Karl From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 5 09:46:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19567 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 09:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29823 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 5 May 1999 09:37:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "OWENC" Subject: Can someone provide an explanation ? Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 14:33:19 +0100 Organization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK Message-ID: <7gphbf$ku1$1@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On the latest release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 one of the error corrections is : Failure to act upon 8-bit control codes SS2 and SS3 in VT220/320 terminal emulation, even though their 7-bit equivalents were implemented Can anyone explain what the control codes SS2 and SS3 do ? Cheers. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 5 09:46:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19569 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 09:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00438 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 5 May 1999 09:45:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Can someone provide an explanation ? Date: 5 May 1999 13:45:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7gpi26$dj$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7gphbf$ku1$1@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk>, OWENC wrote: : On the latest release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 one of the error corrections is : : : : Failure to act upon 8-bit control codes SS2 and SS3 in VT220/320 terminal : emulation, even though their 7-bit equivalents were implemented : : Can anyone explain what the control codes SS2 and SS3 do ? : They have to do with character-set selection. SS2 = Single Shift 2. Specifies that the next character is to be interpreted according to the G2 table. SS2 = Single Shift 3. Specifies that the next character is to be interpreted according to the G3 table. See ISO 2022 for a thorough explanation. See pp.289-290 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit" for an overview of ISO 2022. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 6 10:46:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19714 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20778 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:39:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Per Berger" Subject: if... input?? Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:25:52 +0200 Organization: Happy Surfers Message-ID: <926000750.668392@rosalyn.got.telia.se> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all! I've installed ckermit 7 on a FreeBSD box and it works fine. I've made a script that telnet a host, run some commands and disconnects. Works great... However, there is one problem. One of the commands generates a listing that might give a "More" that needs a space to proceed. I can always put that in manually but I would like to have some sort of "if input = "More" then send space, if not proceed" Any suggestions? Sorry to ask but I've got a headache from typing scripts today sooo... :-) Regards, /Per B From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 6 11:16:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28546 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22211 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:04:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: if... input?? Date: 6 May 1999 15:04:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7gsb29$lm0$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <926000750.668392@rosalyn.got.telia.se>, Per Berger wrote: : I've installed ckermit 7 on a FreeBSD box and it works fine. I've made a : script that telnet a host, run some commands and disconnects. Works great... : However, there is one problem. One of the commands generates a listing that : might give a "More" that needs a space to proceed. : Most commands that do this have a way to disable it. If the host is UNIX, maybe you can work around it by redirecting the output, e.g.: command > /dev/tty : I can always put that in : manually but I would like to have some sort of "if input = "More" then send : space, if not proceed" : As noted in the manual, this is what the MINPUT command is for; it looks for multiple targets at once. First use "set terminal debug on" to see exactly what characters are in the command's More prompt and in your system prompt, for example: More? and: $ Then do something like this: ouptut command\13 ; or, in C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.06, "lineout command" set flag off while not flag { minput 10 {\13\10More? } {\13\10$ } switch \v(minput) { :1, output { }, break ; Got more prompt - send a space :2, set flag on, break ; Got system prompt - done :default, break } } - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 6 13:46:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16951 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00406 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:28:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Subject: Re: Help w/ file transfer in RT-11 Organization: D Bit, Troy, NY From: wilson@dbit.com (John Wilson) Message-ID: <3731d132.0@news.wizvax.net> Date: 6 May 1999 13:28:18 -0500 To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <372DF5B2.AF9469C6@ucla.edu>, Karl Beykirch wrote: >I like the Kermit idea, but the PDP is on a communication island. No >ethernet, 8" floppy, serial lines, no common media. I can download >Kermit, but how do I get it on the PDP? Can I get it on an 8" floppy >somewhere? FYI, this comes up periodically so I decided to make a little 8" adapter board as a D Bit product (probably a no-profit one though). It has 34- and 50-pin connectors for the PC and 8" drive cables (works with straight-through ribbon cables, at least on my drive which is a Tandon), and an on-board PIC CPU which watches the drive bus for seeks and takes care of asserting the TG43 signal (which PC FDCs don't supply) appropriately for the currently selected drive. Also it has a second 34-pin connector wired for real DEC RX50 drives, which might come in handy in the future as 1.2 MB drives become harder to find. Current versions of PUTR and E11 don't support real RX50 drives yet, but I'll be working on that. They *do* support 8" drives though. Note that the ability to actually write RX01 disks (IBM 3740 style) still depends on the PC's floppy controller. Some can, some can't, but even ones that can't write RX01s may still be able to read them (the on-board FDC on my FIC VA-503+ motherboards can). RX02s won't work at all with regular PC FDCs though due to the weird low-level format. http://www.dbit.com/fdadap.html John Wilson D Bit From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 6 14:46:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06467 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA04011 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 6 May 1999 14:30:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: David Dyck Subject: Tek emulation resizes dos-box in kermit 3.14 Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:53:50 -0700 Organization: Fluke Corporation, Everett, WA Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use msdos kermit 3.14 and run it from the windows 95 command line kermit -f myscript I have updated the properties to set the window to about 42 lines. (I'm not near that computer now). This has worded fine for years, thanks Today, when I tried to use gnuplot to display a plot in the kc_tek40xx terminal type it was nice to see the graph, thanks again. When I exited gnuplot (or typed control-c) the screen exits the graphics mode, and gets reset to text mode, but now the screen is only displaying 25 line, and kermit seems to be confused. (the command prompt line is off the screen, perhaps as if kermit thinks there are still 42 lines to display in...) Repeat easier by using kermit 3.14 and set display properties to 42 lines, and connect to a host that has perl installed and execute the command perl -e 'print "\033\014\030\n"' Is this a known problem? Any ideas on a fix, so that I could return to 42 line mode after exiting tek mode. I tried to 'push' or run the mode program to change the number of lines, but kermit couldn't execute c:\command.com Thanks, David Dyck From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 6 19:46:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA05258 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20352 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:23:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: David Stow Subject: character translation after transfer? Date: 6 May 1999 23:21:35 GMT Organization: Vancouver CommunityNet Message-ID: <7gt85v$ovv$1@sylvester.vcn.bc.ca> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to use MSKermit as a filter to translate from one character set to another after the transfer has finished? I received a French text file that was written in Latin-1 from a computer that didn't give me command-line access to it's Kermit program. I couldn't force the sending computer to set the file type to text, so I have a binary file that only has the proper characters when I read it with Kermit's replay command. (I'm using a monochrome adapter that won't let me change the DOS code page). Can I use Kermit to rewrite the file so that DOS commands like "more" and "edit" will show the correct accented characters? Thanks, David Stow From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 6 19:46:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA05260 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20827 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 6 May 1999 19:31:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: character translation after transfer? Date: 6 May 1999 23:31:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7gt8nt$kao$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7gt85v$ovv$1@sylvester.vcn.bc.ca>, David Stow wrote: : Is it possible to use MSKermit as a filter to translate from one : character set to another after the transfer has finished? : No. C-Kermit and K95 have a TRANSLATE command for this, but MS-DOS Kermit does not have this feature. : I received a : French text file that was written in Latin-1 from a computer that didn't : give me command-line access to it's Kermit program. I couldn't force : the sending computer to set the file type to text, so I have a binary : file that only has the proper characters when I read it with Kermit's : replay command. (I'm using a monochrome adapter that won't let me : change the DOS code page). : Maybe "log session" and then "replay"? - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 7 01:17:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA19407 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 01:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA07434 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 7 May 1999 01:05:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: Tek emulation resizes dos-box in kermit 3.14 Message-ID: <5tLBqiOB8wuI@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 May 99 22:24:26 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , David Dyck writes: > I use msdos kermit 3.14 and run it from the windows 95 > command line > kermit -f myscript > > I have updated the properties to set the window to about 42 lines. > (I'm not near that computer now). > > This has worded fine for years, thanks > 42 text lines is a kludge in the system. It is a normal 80x24 sized screen (scan properties) and an 8x8 dot font extracted from the display adapter's ROM. Kermit does not try to deal with that and passes the affair to DOS and the Video Bios to cope with. Some adapters might have a special video mode for it and if so Kermit uses it to restore the video without knowning what it means. Win95 fakes everything (as we know, sigh) and takes over video work. Thus you are lucky to return from graphics mode back to text mode while running in a DOS box. That usually works from a full screen DOS box but not a window, and the reasons are best known to MS. > Today, when I tried to use gnuplot to display a plot in > the kc_tek40xx terminal type it was nice to see the graph, thanks again. > > When I exited gnuplot (or typed control-c) the screen exits the > graphics mode, and gets reset to text mode, but now the screen > is only displaying 25 line, and kermit seems to be confused. > (the command prompt line is off the screen, perhaps as if > kermit thinks there are still 42 lines to display in...) That's Windows not doing what DOS would have done. > Repeat easier by using kermit 3.14 and set display properties to > 42 lines, and connect to a host that has perl installed and > execute the command > > perl -e 'print "\033\014\030\n"' You set the display using the DOS MODE program plus ANSI.SYS, which does the font search etc business. Kermit doesn't use either and doesn't try the seach stuff. > Is this a known problem? > Any ideas on a fix, so that I could return to 42 line mode after > exiting tek mode. > > > I tried to 'push' or run the mode program to change the number > of lines, but kermit couldn't execute c:\command.com Then your DOS environment needs spiffing up to tell Kermit where to find command.com. That's the SHELL= material one sees with the SET command to the DOS prompt. Joe D. > Thanks, > David Dyck > From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 7 16:17:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03409 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12517 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:05:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Steve Walker" Subject: Multi-point Kermit? Date: 7 May 1999 20:01:49 GMT Organization: Inlink Message-ID: <01be98c4$73ced7a0$6f9787d1@nirc131> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone ever used Kermit over a multi-point setup like a rs-485 network? I've got many DOS-based computers doing data aquisition on an rs-485 serial network. I'd need some way to transfer files over the network to each dos-based node. Any Ideas would be appreciated. -Steve steve63366@yahoo.com From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 7 16:17:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03417 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 16:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11964 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 7 May 1999 15:55:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Communication: Download one! Get three !!! (C-Kermit) Date: 7 May 1999 19:55:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7gvgep$blp$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7gvf0n$qbc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wrote: : The classic communication software C-Kermit Beta 7.0.x for VOS is : downloadable from: : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/howtoget.html : Or, more directly: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html : Download that one, and you get the following three: : : 1. Communication including TCP/IP, X.25. : 2. Scripting language for a variety automation of manual tasks, locally : and remotely. : 3. Last but not least: Object-Oriented Programming. : Smalltalk will never be available for VOS, but C-Kermit does OOP a la : Smalltalk. : : With C-Kermit, life with VOS won't be the same anymore. : : Dat Nguyen : You can find Dat's OOP programming examples in the new C-Kermit scripts library: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/scriptlib.html <-- Kermit scripts in general http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html <-- C-Kermit scripts In the C-Kermit binaries section, you'll find binaries for Continuum hardware with VOS 13.3.3y and various combinations of TCP/IP and X.25 networking. Please note that the previous version of C-Kermit, 6.0, for VOS did not include any support at all for networking. The new version lets you make (and automate) not only serial connections, but also TCP/IP and X.25 connections if you have the corresponding Stratus products installed, and of course, also transfer and manage files when VOS is on the far end of the connection (and/or on the originating end). If anybody can make binaries for other VOS versions and/or other hardware platforms, please contact me. C compiler required. Thanks! Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 7 19:47:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06965 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA24067 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:39:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@87.usenet.us.com Subject: scripting against curses Date: 7 May 1999 23:26:36 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7gvsrc$no6$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I haven't even tried yet, so maybe this will be simple ;-) I need to develop a script to replace some manual entries to the SMS-800 database. I've done similar scripts, but this one is _very_ vt100-heavy. I don't know if I can 'input' for a set of text. Instead of a character string, like 8005551212, I get cursor position escapes around each character, at least that's what it looks like in a log session. I've been doing the logging from a K95 session, but I want to script it from ckermit 7, unix, and ignore the screen positioning stuff. Does 'input' ignore escape sequences for the TERM type that kermit is using, or am I going to have to look for the full string? -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 7 20:17:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14144 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA25110 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:01:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: Multi-point Kermit? Message-ID: <5eeWIN6yfLeC@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 May 99 16:10:01 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01be98c4$73ced7a0$6f9787d1@nirc131>, "Steve Walker" writes: > Has anyone ever used Kermit over a multi-point setup like a rs-485 network? > I've got many DOS-based computers doing data aquisition on an rs-485 > serial network. I'd need some way to transfer files over the network to > each dos-based node. > > Any Ideas would be appreciated. > > -Steve > steve63366@yahoo.com --------- Lessee now. RS-485 is HPIB in formal attire? My mind is a blank. There is no such support in MS-DOS Kermit. Rather than raising the bridge we can try the water-lowering strategy of using a shared medium with wide support: Ethernet. MSK has its own TCP/IP stack that runs over either Packet Drivers or Novell's ODI drivers for the boards. This means having separate Ethernet wiring and such, and you may have that already. If this is not satisfactory and you require RS-485 support then it becomes a contractual development effort and you should talk with us (Columbia and myself) directly. Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 7 20:17:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14147 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA25732 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:12:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: scripting against curses Date: 8 May 1999 00:12:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7gvvgn$p41$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7gvsrc$no6$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : I haven't even tried yet, so maybe this will be simple ;-) : : I need to develop a script to replace some manual entries to the SMS-800 : database. I've done similar scripts, but this one is _very_ vt100-heavy. : I don't know if I can 'input' for a set of text. : Instead of a character string, like 8005551212, I get cursor position : escapes around each character, at least that's what it looks like in a log : session. : : I've been doing the logging from a K95 session, but I want to script it : from ckermit 7, unix, and ignore the screen positioning stuff. : : Does 'input' ignore escape sequences for the TERM type that kermit is : using, or am I going to have to look for the full string? : No, INPUT sees all characters that come in (except NUL), so you would actually match against escape sequences. I'd recommend you begin by finding out how to tell when the screen is completely painted. Then: 1. CLEAR INPUT Clear the INPUT buffer (and the \v(input) variable). 2. OUTPUT xxx Where xxx is whatever you would type to make the thing put up a screen. 3. INPUT nn zzz Where nn is an upper bound on the number of seconds to wait for the screen to be completed, and zzz is some sequence you can use to identify when the painting is complete. At this point you have the whole screen in the \v(input) variable, or, more precisely, the sequence of characters that was sent to the terminal to make it paint the screen -- escape sequences and all. Now you can use string functions to parse it, as in the "modemtest" sample script in our new script library: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html Doing it this way ensures you don't lose stuff and it also frees you from dependence on the order in which the fields arrive. Just search for the appropriate tag (which in this case might be a CUP escape sequence) and then extract the following string. For example, suppose you're looking for a 10-digit phone number at cursor position [10,20] (row,column). The escape sequence would be [10;20H, so to extract the data you might do something like this (in C-Kermit 7.0 syntax)(*): .\%x ::= \findex(\27[10;20H,\v(input)) + 8 ; Find CUP[10,20] .\%s := \fsubstr(\v(input),\%x,10) ; Get 10 chars after it If you were using Kermit 95, you could take advantage of its built-in HLLAPI-like "screen scraping" functions, which are used *after* the terminal emulator has formatted the screen. In this case you could get the same effect with: \fscrstr(ny,nx,n1) ny = integer. nx = integer. n1 = integer. Returns string: The string at Terminal-screen coordinates (nx,ny), length n1, blanks included. In this case: .\%s := \fscrstr(20,10,10) The screen-scraping approach is ex-post-facto; it is applied after the data arrived and treats the screen like a matrix of characters; in this case escape sequences are long-gone and irrelevant, and you don't reference the INPUT buffer at all. In both cases, however, you need to know when it is safe to start looking, i.e. at what point the screen is completely painted. (*) For those of you who have not looked at C-Kermit 7.0 yet, the new assignment operators look like: . where: can be any kind of variable is: = To copy the literally. := To expand all variables in the value and then copy. ::= Like :=, but then treats the result as an arithmetic expression and evalulates it. So: .\%x ::= \findex(\27[10;20H,\v(input)) + 8 replaces \v(input) by the contents of the INPUT buffer, finds the position of "\27[10;20H" in it, adds 8 to it, and assigns the result to \%x. Of course you can do the same in earlier Kermit versions, but the syntax is a bit more awkward: assign \%x \feval(\findex(\27[10;20H,\v(input))+8) - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 7 21:17:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00438 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 21:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA27786 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:57:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@87.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: scripting against curses Date: 8 May 1999 00:49:31 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7h01mr$oq0$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : If you were using Kermit 95, you could take advantage of its built-in : HLLAPI-like "screen scraping" functions, which are used *after* the terminal : emulator has formatted the screen. In this case you could get the same : effect with: Screen-scrape would be enough to make it stay on K95, instead of batched from a cron job in unix. I used to be in an office near a whole group of HLLAPI developers... I think they gave up ;-) -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 11 12:48:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22213 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10242 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:34:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Michael Hamelin Subject: CKERMIT 1.90ALPHA - SCHOLAR REPLACE USROBOTICS Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:34:10 -0400 Organization: Foreign Autopart, Inc. Message-ID: <37385C02.34A6@worldnet.att.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HI... NEED SERIOUS HELP... We have an alphaserver 2100 running vms6.2-1h3 with ckermit-5a(190). Cuurently we use dec scholar 2400 talking to mv3100 running vms 5.3-5.5-2 with scholars or usrobotics (sportsters 33.6 faxmodems). we have written scripts to download data to our 33 stores and upload data from our stores in the afternoon. this environment works...take the dec scholar out of the picture and place a usrobotics in and change the fixed baud rate from 2400 to 19200 and the scripts breakdown. It connects and shows the user prompt, before the script is ready and the script never gets to log in ??? i have turned off modem error correction and data compression at both ends. anybody have a clue ??? this is crazy...two modems with fixed rates ?? it is acting like a handshake occured and some characters got to vms login section and shouldn't have ??? desperatly awaiting a reply... can email me for specifics: hamelinm@worldnet.att.net.. day # 781-784-1111 x219 thanks... From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 11 13:19:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01575 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA11434 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:54:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: CKERMIT 1.90ALPHA - SCHOLAR REPLACE USROBOTICS Date: 11 May 1999 16:54:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7h9nca$b57$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37385C02.34A6@worldnet.att.net>, Michael Hamelin wrote: : NEED SERIOUS HELP... : : We have an alphaserver 2100 running vms6.2-1h3 with ckermit-5a(190). : Cuurently we use dec scholar 2400 talking to mv3100 running vms : 5.3-5.5-2 with scholars or usrobotics (sportsters 33.6 faxmodems). we : have written scripts to download data to our 33 stores and upload data : from our stores in the afternoon. : : this environment works...take the dec scholar out of the picture and : place a usrobotics in and change the fixed baud rate from 2400 to 19200 : and the scripts breakdown. It connects and shows the user prompt, before : the script is ready and the script never gets to log in ??? i have : turned off modem error correction and data compression at both ends. : : anybody have a clue ??? this is crazy...two modems with fixed rates ?? : it is acting like a handshake occured and some characters got to vms : login section and shouldn't have ??? : Most likely your 2400-bps modem was slow enough to avoid data overruns in VMS, but 19200 is fast enough to cause them (in the absence of adequate flow control). In any case, a lot has happened to C-Kermit since 5A(190) came out in 1994. Pick up C-Kermit 7.0 from: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html Among other improvments, it knows how to set up a USR modem for dialing out from VMS exactly as it needs to be (modem signals, flow control, etc). - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 11 13:19:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01594 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12611 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:15:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Michael Hamelin Subject: Re: CKERMIT 1.90ALPHA - SCHOLAR REPLACE USROBOTICS Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:15:22 -0400 Organization: Foreign Autopart, Inc. Message-ID: <373865AA.21C2@worldnet.att.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <37385C02.34A6@worldnet.att.net>, > Michael Hamelin wrote: > : NEED SERIOUS HELP... > : > : We have an alphaserver 2100 running vms6.2-1h3 with ckermit-5a(190). > : Cuurently we use dec scholar 2400 talking to mv3100 running vms > : 5.3-5.5-2 with scholars or usrobotics (sportsters 33.6 faxmodems). we > : have written scripts to download data to our 33 stores and upload data > : from our stores in the afternoon. > : > : this environment works...take the dec scholar out of the picture and > : place a usrobotics in and change the fixed baud rate from 2400 to 19200 > : and the scripts breakdown. It connects and shows the user prompt, before > : the script is ready and the script never gets to log in ??? i have > : turned off modem error correction and data compression at both ends. > : > : anybody have a clue ??? this is crazy...two modems with fixed rates ?? > : it is acting like a handshake occured and some characters got to vms > : login section and shouldn't have ??? > : > Most likely your 2400-bps modem was slow enough to avoid data overruns in > VMS, but 19200 is fast enough to cause them (in the absence of adequate > flow control). > > In any case, a lot has happened to C-Kermit since 5A(190) came out in 1994. > Pick up C-Kermit 7.0 from: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html > > Among other improvments, it knows how to set up a USR modem for dialing out > from VMS exactly as it needs to be (modem signals, flow control, etc). > > - Frank thanks...will this help...i tried v6.0 and nothing mattered....if v7.0 will help (i guess it can't hurt), but do you think it will solve the issue ??? From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 11 13:49:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12497 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14216 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:44:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: CKERMIT 1.90ALPHA - SCHOLAR REPLACE USROBOTICS Date: 11 May 1999 17:44:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7h9qa5$ds3$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <373865AA.21C2@worldnet.att.net>, Michael Hamelin wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > Most likely your 2400-bps modem was slow enough to avoid data overruns in : > VMS, but 19200 is fast enough to cause them (in the absence of adequate : > flow control). : > : > In any case, a lot has happened to C-Kermit since 5A(190) came out in 1994. : > Pick up C-Kermit 7.0 from: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html : > : > Among other improvments, it knows how to set up a USR modem for dialing out : > from VMS exactly as it needs to be (modem signals, flow control, etc). : : thanks...will this help...i tried v6.0 and nothing mattered....if v7.0 : will help (i guess it can't hurt), but do you think it will solve the : issue ??? : Yes, version 7.0 should help; as noted, it has improvements in precisely this area. If it does not help, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 11 14:49:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01909 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17612 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:41:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Drew Robertson" Subject: Kermit95 as mini-BBS Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:43:39 -0500 Organization: SBC Internet Services To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to configure Kermit 95's host for multiple modems. Does anyone have any docs on this? Basically, I need to support multiple dial-up connections. Any help will be much appreciated. Drew From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 11 14:49:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01917 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17737 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:43:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jpbrahma Subject: How to transfer a file while in connected mode Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 18:25:11 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7h9sm3$dlr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HI I am new to kermit. Can anybody tell me how to transfer a text file while being connected to a serial port . OR what is the key board equivalent of the ' transmit command' Thanks in advance JP Brahma --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 11 14:49:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01920 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18110 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:48:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: How to transfer a file while in connected mode Date: 11 May 1999 18:48:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7h9u12$hlr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7h9sm3$dlr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, jpbrahma wrote: : I am new to kermit. Can anybody tell me : how to transfer a text file while being connected : to a serial port . OR what is the key board equivalent : of the ' transmit command' : Please visit the Kermit website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ to find out how to get Kermit software manuals. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 11 14:49:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01923 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17938 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 11 May 1999 14:47:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit95 as mini-BBS Date: 11 May 1999 18:47:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7h9tv8$hge$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Drew Robertson wrote: : I need to configure Kermit 95's host for multiple modems. Does anyone have : any docs on this? Basically, I need to support multiple dial-up : connections. : Kermit 95 1.1.17 comes with an online manual. You can access it through the Help menu on the Dialer. It contains a chapter on Host mode. There are a couple typos in the Kermit 95 1.1.17 host mode script as distributed, so you should download a corrected copy from: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/host.ksc - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 11 15:49:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21848 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19792 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:20:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Drew Robertson" Subject: Re: Kermit95 as mini-BBS Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:10:21 -0500 Organization: SBC Internet Services To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Those docs don't seem to address multiple modems. Are there other docs I am missing? Drew From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 11 15:49:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21852 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20039 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:27:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit95 as mini-BBS Date: 11 May 1999 19:27:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ha0ak$ji4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Drew Robertson wrote: : Those docs don't seem to address multiple modems. Are there other docs : I am missing? : Chapter 9: Host Mode. Read the whole chapter. Take special note of the section, "Starting and Stopping Host Mode". Start one copy of the host-mode listener on each of your ports. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 11 18:49:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17386 for ; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA00240 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 11 May 1999 18:24:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3738AD51.F3F@adldata.com> From: sol gongola Organization: adl data systems inc Subject: Re: CKERMIT 1.90ALPHA - SCHOLAR REPLACE USROBOTICS Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:24:07 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It has been awhile since i used vms v.5. I could be wrong, but i remember something about a vax not being able to do 19.2. Also make sure you are not getting a 14.4 connection. The vms systems i used could not set a terminal speed to 14.4. sol > > Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > > In article <37385C02.34A6@worldnet.att.net>, > > Michael Hamelin wrote: > > : NEED SERIOUS HELP... > > : > > : We have an alphaserver 2100 running vms6.2-1h3 with ckermit-5a(190). > > : Cuurently we use dec scholar 2400 talking to mv3100 running vms > > : 5.3-5.5-2 with scholars or usrobotics (sportsters 33.6 faxmodems). we > > : have written scripts to download data to our 33 stores and upload data > > : from our stores in the afternoon. > > : > > : this environment works...take the dec scholar out of the picture and > > : place a usrobotics in and change the fixed baud rate from 2400 to 19200 > > : and the scripts breakdown. It connects and shows the user prompt, before > > : the script is ready and the script never gets to log in ??? i have > > : turned off modem error correction and data compression at both ends. > > : > > : anybody have a clue ??? this is crazy...two modems with fixed rates ?? > > : it is acting like a handshake occured and some characters got to vms > > : login section and shouldn't have ??? > > : > > Most likely your 2400-bps modem was slow enough to avoid data overruns in > > VMS, but 19200 is fast enough to cause them (in the absence of adequate > > flow control). > > > > In any case, a lot has happened to C-Kermit since 5A(190) came out in 1994. > > Pick up C-Kermit 7.0 from: > > > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html > > > > Among other improvments, it knows how to set up a USR modem for dialing out > > from VMS exactly as it needs to be (modem signals, flow control, etc). > > > > - Frank > > thanks...will this help...i tried v6.0 and nothing mattered....if v7.0 > will help (i guess it can't hurt), but do you think it will solve the > issue ??? From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 12 07:49:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27302 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA26926 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:41:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: john_cosimano@my-dejanews.com Subject: Auto Connecting? Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:26:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7hbohv$s2e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I guess it should be easy enough, but my Using C-Kermit doesn't seem to cover it. I'm interested in having kermit autoconnect. In other words, at the [/tmp] C-Kermit> prompt, I would like a 'c' to issued automatically. The autoconnection script in the book seem to be for automating dialup stuff. Thanks for any info. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 12 09:49:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19354 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03230 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 12 May 1999 09:36:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Auto Connecting? Date: 12 May 1999 13:36:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7hc04m$34s$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7hbohv$s2e$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wrote: : I guess it should be easy enough, but my Using C-Kermit doesn't seem to : cover it. I'm interested in having kermit autoconnect. In other words, : at the [/tmp] C-Kermit> prompt, I would like a 'c' to issued : automatically. : Connect to what automatically? First you have to set up the connection, for example: set host blah or: set modem type xxx set port yyy set speed zzz dial nnnnnn : The autoconnection script in the book seem to be for automating dialup stuff. : Each of the more common types of connections (modem dialing, Telnet) includes an "autoconnect" feature anyway: . TELNET enters CONNECT mode automatically if the TCP/IP TELNET connection is made successfully. . RLOGIN enters CONNECT mode automatically if the TCP/IP RLOGIN connection is made successfully. . DIAL enters CONNECT mode automatically if the call is answered and the DIAL command was given at top level. If you tell Kermit to SET DIAL CONNECT ON, then DIAL always CONNECTs if the phone is answered, even if the DIAL command is given from a script. Other connection types can be handled with a macro. For example, X.25: define X25CONNECT { set network type x25 if fail stop 1 X.25 connections are not available set host \%1 if fail stop 1 Can't make connection to \%1 connect } - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 12 10:49:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08333 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA07966 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:48:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "MICHAEL HAMELIN" Subject: Re: CKERMIT 1.90ALPHA - SCHOLAR REPLACE USROBOTICS Date: 12 May 1999 14:47:54 GMT Organization: Foreign Autopart Inc. Message-ID: <01be9c86$7b2dc360$d8cb4e0c@hamelin> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu problem (more specific) is that ckermit issues the set modem , set line, set speed, dial xxxxx, and then the modem handshakes with destination and the vms login is sent back, before the connect command can be issued. I have tried this morning to use the set dial connect on and the results are still the same. we are getting the vms prompt back, without acknowledgement to alpha that connection is made and the connection times out. This only started when the baud rate was changed from 2400 to 19200 or 9600 at the remote and originating location. Both sides have noautobaud set and....if you cancel the script (with crtl-c) and at the ckermit prompt type connect, life goes on !?%$&*( ???? any idea.. thanks in advance.. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 12 11:19:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17343 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08090 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:51:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: CKERMIT 1.90ALPHA - SCHOLAR REPLACE USROBOTICS Date: 12 May 1999 14:51:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7hc4i0$7sn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01be9c86$7b2dc360$d8cb4e0c@hamelin>, MICHAEL HAMELIN wrote: : problem (more specific) is that ckermit issues the set modem , set line, : set speed, dial xxxxx, and then the modem handshakes with destination and : the vms login is sent back, before the connect command can be issued. I : have tried this morning to use the set dial connect on and the results are : still the same. we are getting the vms prompt back, without acknowledgement : to alpha that connection is made and the connection times out. This only : started when the baud rate was changed from 2400 to 19200 or 9600 at the : remote and originating location. Both sides have noautobaud set and....if : you cancel the script (with crtl-c) and at the ckermit prompt type connect, : life goes on !?%$&*( ???? any idea.. : Please send a copy of your script to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 14 08:20:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA20592 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA11458 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:04:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "DomBrown" Subject: Is there an Evaluation version? Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:03:19 +0100 Organization: GXSN Message-ID: <7hh3f3$jot$1@gxsn.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there an Evaluation version? If so where can I get it Cheers Dom From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 14 09:20:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29270 for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14845 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:19:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Is there an Evaluation version? Date: 14 May 1999 13:19:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7hh7th$efq$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7hh3f3$jot$1@gxsn.com>, DomBrown wrote: : Is there an Evaluation version? If so where can I get it : At present, except for Kermit 95, all versions of Kermit can be downloaded from our website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ or ftp site: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/ Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html presently is not downloadable. The forthcoming version, 1.1.18, however, will include a downloadable demo version. We hope it will be ready in a few weeks. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 17 22:21:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA16235 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA24646 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:02:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Subject: Trouble with AS-NAME switch in SEND Date: 18 May 1999 02:02:00 GMT Organization: UIUC Department of Mathematics Message-ID: <7hqhmo$g9f$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having trouble getting the send command to transfer files and preserve the literal filenames. Here is what happens: remote-computer> kermit -x Entering server mode. If your local Kermit software is menu driven, use the menus to send commands to the server. Otherwise, enter the escape sequence to return to your local Kermit prompt and issue commands from there. Use SEND and GET for file transfer. Use REMOTE HELP for a list of other available services. Use BYE or FINISH to end server mode. KERMIT READY TO SERVE... [E:\] ver (I am back on my home PC). Kermit 95 1.1.17, 18 June 1998, for 32-bit Windows Numeric: 601194 Type COPYRIGHT for copyright information. (The remote-computer is running C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x Copyright (C) 1985, 1996, ) [E:\] remote set file names literal [E:\] set file names literal [E:\] send /AS-NAME:README readme (Kermit now gives me the send screen where I see README => README => readme) Why is it converting the filename to lower case? Thanks, A. Lewenberg -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or lewenber@uiuc.edu From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 17 23:21:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA22528 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA28487 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:20:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Trouble with AS-NAME switch in SEND Date: 18 May 1999 03:20:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7hqm9l$rq4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7hqhmo$g9f$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: : [E:\] remote set file names literal : [E:\] set file names literal : [E:\] send /AS-NAME:README readme : : (Kermit now gives me the send screen where I see README => README => readme) : : Why is it converting the filename to lower case? Because of the many older file systems which only supported Upper case file names Unix C-Kermit converts an all upper case file name to lower case even when file names are literal. What you are seeing above is the K95 is translating from "README" to "README" and then C-Kermit is translating the file name to "readme". Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 18 08:21:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01975 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA21070 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 18 May 1999 07:58:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Subject: Re: Trouble with AS-NAME switch in SEND Date: 18 May 1999 11:58:29 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Message-ID: <7hrkl5$clu$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I realize what is happening, but why? Aren't the various versions of C-Kermit smart enough to realize if the file system they are running on differentiates between upper- and lower-case? Otherwise, what is the point of the set file names literal command? A. Lewenberg jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >In article <7hqhmo$g9f$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, >Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >: [E:\] remote set file names literal >: [E:\] set file names literal >: [E:\] send /AS-NAME:README readme >: >: (Kermit now gives me the send screen where I see README => README => readme) >: >: Why is it converting the filename to lower case? >Because of the many older file systems which only supported Upper case >file names Unix C-Kermit converts an all upper case file name to lower >case even when file names are literal. >What you are seeing above is the K95 is translating from "README" to "README" >and then C-Kermit is translating the file name to "readme". > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or lewenber@uiuc.edu From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 18 09:51:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19945 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA24884 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:24:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Trouble with AS-NAME switch in SEND Date: 18 May 1999 13:24:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7hrpmd$o9h$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7hqm9l$rq4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: : In article <7hqhmo$g9f$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, : Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: : : [E:\] remote set file names literal : : [E:\] set file names literal : : [E:\] send /AS-NAME:README readme : : : : (Kermit now gives me the send screen where I see README => README => : : readme) : : : : Why is it converting the filename to lower case? : : Because of the many older file systems which only supported Upper case : file names Unix C-Kermit converts an all upper case file name to lower : case even when file names are literal. : By default. : What you are seeing above is the K95 is translating from "README" to "README" : and then C-Kermit is translating the file name to "readme". : To fix, also tell the other Kermit (C-Kermit in this case) to "set file names literal". Also, note that "send /as-name:blah" overrides the FILE NAMES setting -- the as-name is always sent exactly as you specify it. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 18 11:21:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16162 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29655 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:00:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: BillMcG@surflinx.com (Bill) Subject: Tektronix Plotter with MS Kermit Message-ID: <37427ead.494505@news.surflinx.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:00:02 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sorry if this is a repost, Im not sure if the first one went through, It dosent show it on my server. I have aquired a Tektronix 4662 Plotter (old) After finding out there are not any drivers to just plug into a serial or parallel port on my PCand run the plotter that way, I did some searching for a Tektronix Terminal Emulator. I came across MS Kermit witch has a Tektronixs Graphics Emulator built into it. My question is, can I use MS Kermit to run my plotter from my PC Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Bill From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 18 16:51:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09162 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA16447 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 18 May 1999 16:40:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Joe H. Gallagher" Subject: K95; how to set colors in six screen elements Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:39:02 -0400 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <3741CFD1.62EE@ix.netcom.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In MSKermit, you control the screen colors with set terminal color n1, n2, n3, n4 At the bottom of page 35 of the Kermit 95, Communications Software for Windows 95 Manual, it states that "K95's terminal window has six major components; each one can have its own foreground and background color." And the issue of color is not addressed in C-Kermit, 2nd edition since color is (mostly) an issue with MS Kermit and K95. What is the syntax of the kermit commands to control the color of the command screen the terminal screen the status line the pop-up help screens the mouse selection the underline simulation? Joe H. Gallagher dtrwiz@ix dot netcom dot com gallagher@eisner dot decus dot org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 18 17:21:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18067 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17360 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:00:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: K95; how to set colors in six screen elements Date: 18 May 1999 21:00:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7hskcu$gue$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3741CFD1.62EE@ix.netcom.com>, Joe H. Gallagher wrote: : In MSKermit, you control the screen colors with : : set terminal color n1, n2, n3, n4 : : At the bottom of page 35 of the Kermit 95, Communications : Software for Windows 95 Manual, it states that "K95's terminal : window has six major components; each one can have its own : foreground and background color." And the issue of color is : not addressed in C-Kermit, 2nd edition since color is (mostly) : an issue with MS Kermit and K95. : : What is the syntax of the kermit commands to control the : color of : : the command screen : the terminal screen : the status line : the pop-up help screens : the mouse selection : the underline simulation? : >From "help set terminal": SET TERMINAL COLOR Sets the colors of the terminal emulation screen. may be any of the following: DEBUG, HELP-TEXT, REVERSE, SELECTION, STATUS-LINE, TERMINAL-SCREEN, or UNDERLINED-TEXT. and may be any of: BLACK, BLUE, GREEN, CYAN, RED, MAGENTA, BROWN, LGRAY, DGRAY, LBLUE, LGREEN, LCYAN, LRED, LMAGENTA, YELLOW or WHITE. The L prefix for the color names means Light. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 18 18:52:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12694 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21970 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 18 May 1999 18:39:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3741E973.D4C869AD@4ecp.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:28:03 -0400 From: Michael Roedig Subject: Kermit Variables Organization: OneNet Communications News Hub To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I need to log the name of each file transmitted to my system via Kermit. Is it possible to get the name of the file currently being transmitted from a variable? I'm familiar with \v(filespec) but if the user sends *.dat I only get the name of the last file transmitted. I need all the filenames that were transmitted. Any help will be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks Mike Roedig IS Director The Consult Inc. / ECP From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 19 09:51:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28585 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA22535 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:46:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit Variables Date: 19 May 1999 13:46:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7hufb9$m04$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3741E973.D4C869AD@4ecp.com>, Michael Roedig wrote: : I need to log the name of each file transmitted to my system via Kermit. : What system? Which Kermit program? What version? : Is it possible to get the name of the file currently being transmitted : from a variable? I'm familiar with \v(filespec) but if the user sends : *.dat I only get the name of the last file transmitted. I need all the : filenames that were transmitted. : This is what the transaction log is for. If you are talking about C-Kermit, then version 7.0, now in Beta test: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html offers a selection of transaction-log formats, including one that is compatible with the wu-ftpd log. It also has a new syslogging capability that includes keeping records of each file that was transferred. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 19 20:51:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14211 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA24678 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:40:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: reflib@garnet.nist.gov (Marietta L. Nelson) Subject: Email access via Kermit? Date: 20 May 1999 00:29:14 GMT Organization: NIST, Gaithersburg, MD Message-ID: <7hvl0q$pan$1@news.nist.gov> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been happily accessing email via my .gov account for many years, but since I have recently retired, I am about to lose this text-based access. I have a commercial account, but it relies on NETSCAPE, which frequently bombs out on me. Is there ANY email provider out there which allows me to just dial up via good old Kermit? If it matters, I live in Maryland. Thanks, I hope. reflib@nist.gov (Marietta Nelson--when my commercial account is working, I'm: benzonia@bellatlantic.net) From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 20 05:51:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA10081 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 05:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA18160 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 20 May 1999 05:28:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: douglas.bower@gecits-ap.com Subject: Why will my communication work at 9600 but not at 2400? Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:27:35 GMT Organization: Customer of OzEmail/Access One Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Message-ID: <3743d3af.641848@news.aone.com.au> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have recently upgraded a version of Kermit TSO to 4.3.2. Since i have done this, i am unable to download files at 2400 baud but it works at higher speeds such as 9600. See below the stat that is reported by Kermit TSO after the failed download. Bytes/pkt: S=2404 R=15 requiring 3 pkt Bytes/sec: S=180 R=1 requiring 40 sec Disk bytes/sec. 194 = 20% (SPEED is 9600) 5 repeat packets sent Optimum packet size: 3893 Missing start-of-packet Any help will be appreciated Thanks Doug From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 20 09:51:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24454 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00523 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:42:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Jim Agnew Subject: Re: Email access via Kermit? Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:24:14 -0400 Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Message-ID: <37440CFE.DF85D473@email.hsc.vcu.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I suspect that your real goal is for free email access.. Juno.com, hotmail.com are two examples. Having downloaded Juno, you can get textmode email for free, with the only drag of seeing adverts all the time. Frankly, I don't know about anything for Kermit. I'd contact the colleges and universities around you to see if they have free accounts for the public. i suspect if you know any sysadmins they may give you an account as long as you promise to behave!!! ;-) Jim Marietta L. Nelson wrote: > > I have been happily accessing email via my .gov account for many > years, but since I have recently retired, I am about to lose this > text-based access. > > I have a commercial account, but it relies on NETSCAPE, which > frequently bombs out on me. > > Is there ANY email provider out there which allows me to just > dial up via good old Kermit? If it matters, I live in Maryland. > > Thanks, I hope. > > reflib@nist.gov (Marietta Nelson--when my commercial account is > working, I'm: benzonia@bellatlantic.net) From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 20 10:21:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03372 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01688 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:02:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Why will my communication work at 9600 but not at 2400? Date: 20 May 1999 14:02:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7i14m9$1km$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3743d3af.641848@news.aone.com.au>, wrote: : I have recently upgraded a version of Kermit TSO to 4.3.2. Since i : have done this, i am unable to download files at 2400 baud but it : works at higher speeds such as 9600. : See below the stat that is reported by Kermit TSO after the failed : download. : : Bytes/pkt: S=2404 R=15 requiring 3 pkt : Bytes/sec: S=180 R=1 requiring 40 sec : Disk bytes/sec. 194 = 20% (SPEED is 9600) : 5 repeat packets sent : Optimum packet size: 3893 : Missing start-of-packet : : Any help will be appreciated : What Kermit software is on the receiving end? What does it report as the cause of the failure? Do you still have your older Kermit on TSO? Does it work at both speeds? My first guess is that the 2400 bps connection has no flow control, but the 9600 bps connection has RTS/CTS or some other kind of flow control that prevents data loss. Please follow up to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 20 10:51:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14107 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02884 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 20 May 1999 10:22:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Email access via Kermit? Date: 20 May 1999 14:22:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7i15qr$2q1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37440CFE.DF85D473@email.hsc.vcu.edu>, Jim Agnew wrote: : Marietta L. Nelson wrote: : > : > I have been happily accessing email via my .gov account for many : > years, but since I have recently retired, I am about to lose this : > text-based access. : > : > I have a commercial account, but it relies on NETSCAPE, which : > frequently bombs out on me. : > : > Is there ANY email provider out there which allows me to just : > dial up via good old Kermit? If it matters, I live in Maryland. : > : > Thanks, I hope. : > : > reflib@nist.gov (Marietta Nelson--when my commercial account is : > working, I'm: benzonia@bellatlantic.net) : : I suspect that your real goal is for free email access.. : : Juno.com, hotmail.com are two examples. Having downloaded Juno, you can : get textmode email for free, with the only drag of seeing adverts all : the time. : : Frankly, I don't know about anything for Kermit. I'd contact the : colleges and universities around you to see if they have free accounts : for the public. i suspect if you know any sysadmins they may give you : an account as long as you promise to behave!!! ;-) : Text-mode "shell accounts" are offered by increasingly few ISPs, which is a shame for the old timers who know how to use a UNIX shell and prefer it over GUIs. In a way, it is also a shame for the newcomers, since they are stuck with GUI email clients that might be pretty to look at, but are also probably the most frequent entree of viruses and other hostile invaders to your PC. (Here at Columbia U, those who use MM or Pine for e-mail rather than Exchange and friends happily went on about their business while everybody else suffered through the Chernobyl virus a few weeks ago.) GUI email clients also promote all sorts of antisocial behavior, often without the knowledge of the user, e.g. sending email to all and sundry in Microsoft Word format (even though the recipient might be on Linux, VMS, VM/CMS, etc), as well as numerous other formats and encodings -- HTML, HQX, Quoted Printable, etc -- that are often not understood by the recipient's mail client. This is especially annoying when the message was just plain ASCII text to begin with ("Could you PLEASE resend your message as plain text?" ... "But I DID send it as plain text!" ...) I think I remember hearing about lists of "text-friendly" ISPs, but I don't recall the exact reference. Maybe somebody out there can point to the info? Of course, once you have that shell account, you'll still be receiving more and more email in Word format. But then you can use Kermit to download it to your PC and decode it after you have had a chance to look at who it's from and satisfy yourself it's not a mail bomb :-) - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 20 16:52:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10936 for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26197 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:34:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@42.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Email access via Kermit? Date: 20 May 1999 20:33:21 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7i1rii$p7q$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Marietta L. Nelson (reflib@garnet.nist.gov) wrote: : Is there ANY email provider out there which allows me to just : dial up via good old Kermit? If it matters, I live in Maryland. What you want is a 'shell account' Peruse web pages of potential ISPs looking for that phrase. I see http://www.eskimo.com which offers $9 per month, I think... The page is a little confusing. This isn't a mainstream product tht you're after. You want an access dialup number near you, but it doesn't matter much where the ISP is actually located. Eskimo is located on the Puget sound, but does offer a Maryland Access number. If you have access for web surfing already, then you can use that connection, and Kermit-95 to reach a 'telnet' shell account, which could be located anywhere in the world. I might personally suggest http://www.rahul.net/guest (my provider) on that basis. Rahul also offers nationwide access, but it's $5 on top of the rate for San Jose access. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 21 15:22:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23439 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA27031 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:05:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Drew Robertson" Subject: Unexpected Error Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:44:12 -0500 Organization: SBC Internet Services To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When connecting to Kermit95 in host mode we get the following error upon file transer. Any clues? 9 EUnexpected packet typeM From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 21 15:22:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23441 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA27463 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 21 May 1999 15:17:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Unexpected Error Date: 21 May 1999 19:17:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7i4bg4$qq4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Drew Robertson wrote: : When connecting to Kermit95 in host mode we get the following error upon : file transer. Any clues? : : 9 EUnexpected packet typeM : When connecting from what? How did you initiate the file transfer? Which version of K95 is it? Does it always happen or only sometimes? Please follow up to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 21 23:52:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA16380 for ; Fri, 21 May 1999 23:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA22078 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 21 May 1999 23:45:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: rosseau@imap2.asu.edu Subject: Re: How to transfer a file while in connected mode Date: 22 May 1999 03:40:12 GMT Organization: Arizona State University Message-ID: <7i58us$nd1$1@news.asu.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <7h9sm3$dlr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, : jpbrahma wrote: : : I am new to kermit. Can anybody tell me : : how to transfer a text file while being connected : : to a serial port . OR what is the key board equivalent : : of the ' transmit command' : : : Please visit the Kermit website: : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ : to find out how to get Kermit software manuals. : - Frank -- Jpbrahma: It is most unfortunate that the individual who replied to your request could not provide a more detailed explanation. Perhaps the person is incapable of writing more than a sentance at a time. I think there is a friendlier way to respond to a request for information then simply a one sentence shrug-off. I suppose there is an excuse for such behavior. My favorite is: I'm too busy. Really. There are third-graders capable of a more lengthy and pleasant response then the one you received. I will attempt to be more convivial. Sending and receiving files is not painless business in Kermit. The individual who answered your question was right on that count, yet there certainly is a better way of saying it. However, if you are connected to a mainframe and you wish to transfer a file to your computer, and you have a version of kermit running on both the host and your computer, Entering the command "set file type text" on both your kermit command line on your computer, and on the kermit command line on the mainframe should certify that you are set up for transfering a text file. If you wish to transfer the file to your machine at home from the mainframe, return to the version of kermit on the host and type "send" followed by the name of the file you wish to send. Then return to your kermit and simply type "r", which is a simplified version of the "receive" command. If you are using Kermit 3.15 or higher, once you type the command to send a file, the version of kermit running on your computer should automatically start to recieve the file after a brief pause. A special screen will pop-up during file transfer to inform you of the progress. If you are transfering a file from your computer to the host, simply reverse the process. You will make some mistakes at first, but at least you will eventually become used to sending and receiving files. One final note, if you wish to send or receive a binary file {zip file for example), enter "set file type binary" instead of "set file type text." It has been my experience over the past 5 years at ASU that regardless of what version of kermit you are using, most of the default parameters between versions on both your computer and the host are the same ro close enough. There, a more intelligent response. And only in ten minutes of my precious time. And I am a slow typer. Please forgive any egregious spelling errors as I was trying to simulate a typical response to a query :-). Please do read the information that came with Kermit so that you will better understand how to best set up file transfers. Louie From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 22 14:52:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29024 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 14:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00251 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 22 May 1999 14:30:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: gqs@zip.com.au (Graham Smith) Subject: Carrier Detect problems Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 18:21:31 GMT Organization: Zip World Message-ID: <3746effd.1268253@news.zip.com.au> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have just set up CKermit 7 Beta 6 on SuSE 6.1 Linux and am having problems with the Carrier detection. I am using a V34 modem to dial a number of sites. If I dial another V34 modem I do not have any problems but if I call a 2400 baud modem the modem sends "CARRIER 2400" after the handshake tahes place. At this stage the CD lead is still low. Kermit appears to now check the CD lead and still being low issues a statemet saying that I have lost carrier. About 2 to 5 seconds latter the modem sets the CD lead high. If I run this as a script the modem is disconnected before the CD lead has been set high. It does not matter if I set CARRIER-WATCH OFF, the modem still disconnects. The script was working perfectly under Solaris X86 using CKermit 6.0.192 using the same modems. Any ideas as to what is going on? Regards, Graham Smith From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 22 15:22:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05842 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01906 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:04:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Carrier Detect problems Date: 22 May 1999 19:04:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7i6v3t$1rf$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3746effd.1268253@news.zip.com.au>, Graham Smith wrote: : I have just set up CKermit 7 Beta 6 on SuSE 6.1 Linux and am having : problems with the Carrier detection. : : I am using a V34 modem... : Make and model? : ... to dial a number of sites. : How are you dialing? With Kermit's DIAL command? Did you give a SET MODEM TYPE command prior to the SET LINE command? : If I dial another : V34 modem I do not have any problems but if I call a 2400 baud modem : the modem sends "CARRIER 2400" after the handshake tahes place. : At this stage the CD lead is still low. Kermit appears to now check : the CD lead and still being low issues a statemet saying that I have : lost carrier. : : About 2 to 5 seconds latter the modem sets the CD lead high. : Of course the modem should set CD high at the same time it prints the CONNECT message. If you are using C-Kermit's DIAL command, opens the device in the "don't require carrier" mode so it can send AT commands to the modem. After it gets the modem's CONNECT message (word or numeric result code) it changes the device to "require carrier" mode. If your modem really delays 2-5 seconds before turning on CD, then your script can PAUSE 5 seconds (more or less) before trying to do any i/o on the connection. Or you can use SET MODEM TYPE UNKNOWN, which ignores all messages from the modem and just waits for CD to come on. See the manual for details. : If I run this as a script the modem is disconnected before the CD lead : has been set high. It does not matter if I set CARRIER-WATCH OFF, the : modem still disconnects. : : The script was working perfectly under Solaris X86 using CKermit : 6.0.192 using the same modems. : : Any ideas as to what is going on? : If the above suggestions didn't help, please send a copy of your script to kermit-support@columbia.edu and we'll take a look at it. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 22 15:52:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14025 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03844 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 22 May 1999 15:50:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: gqs@zip.com.au (Graham Smith) Subject: Re: Carrier Detect problems Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 19:41:56 GMT Organization: Zip World Message-ID: <374704bb.6578990@news.zip.com.au> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 22 May 1999 19:04:29 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <3746effd.1268253@news.zip.com.au>, >Graham Smith wrote: >: I have just set up CKermit 7 Beta 6 on SuSE 6.1 Linux and am having >: problems with the Carrier detection. >: >: I am using a V34 modem... >: >Make and model? Maestro Executive E336V - Using the Rockwell Chipset. All the other modems called are Maestro Modems either V34 or old 2400 Baud ones. > >: ... to dial a number of sites. >: >How are you dialing? With Kermit's DIAL command? Did you give a SET MODEM >TYPE command prior to the SET LINE command? > Unfortunatly I'm not at the site and don't have a copy of the script with me. Will check later today after I get some sleep. Yes using the DIAL commad >: If I dial another >: V34 modem I do not have any problems but if I call a 2400 baud modem >: the modem sends "CARRIER 2400" after the handshake tahes place. >: At this stage the CD lead is still low. Kermit appears to now check >: the CD lead and still being low issues a statemet saying that I have >: lost carrier. >: >: About 2 to 5 seconds latter the modem sets the CD lead high. >: >Of course the modem should set CD high at the same time it prints the >CONNECT message. I think the CONNECT message comes after the CD is raised or nearly at the same time which is well after the CARRIER 2400 message arrives. > >If you are using C-Kermit's DIAL command, opens the device in the "don't >require carrier" mode so it can send AT commands to the modem. After it >gets the modem's CONNECT message (word or numeric result code) it changes >the device to "require carrier" mode. If your modem really delays 2-5 >seconds before turning on CD, then your script can PAUSE 5 seconds (more >or less) before trying to do any i/o on the connection. > >Or you can use SET MODEM TYPE UNKNOWN, which ignores all messages from >the modem and just waits for CD to come on. See the manual for details. > >: If I run this as a script the modem is disconnected before the CD lead >: has been set high. It does not matter if I set CARRIER-WATCH OFF, the >: modem still disconnects. >: >: The script was working perfectly under Solaris X86 using CKermit >: 6.0.192 using the same modems. >: >: Any ideas as to what is going on? >: >If the above suggestions didn't help, please send a copy of your script to >kermit-support@columbia.edu and we'll take a look at it. > >- Frank Thank you for your quick responce. I will give your suggestions a try latter today. Thanks, Graham Smith From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 22 16:22:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20698 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA04477 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 22 May 1999 16:04:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Carrier Detect problems Date: 22 May 1999 20:04:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7i72kb$4bq$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <374704bb.6578990@news.zip.com.au>, Graham Smith wrote: : On 22 May 1999 19:04:29 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) : wrote: : : >In article <3746effd.1268253@news.zip.com.au>, : >Graham Smith wrote: : >: I have just set up CKermit 7 Beta 6 on SuSE 6.1 Linux and am having : >: problems with the Carrier detection. : >: : >: I am using a V34 modem... : >: : >Make and model? : : Maestro Executive E336V - Using the Rockwell Chipset. : And what modem type are you telling Kermit that you have? I never heard of the Maestro Executive E336V, so unless its commands match one of Kermit's built-in modems, we might have some problems with the commands. (And in case this modem *does* have a unique command set, support for it could be added to C-Kermit 7.0 if you send me the command summary quickly enough.) : Unfortunatly I'm not at the site and don't have a copy of the script : with me. Will check later today after I get some sleep. : Yes using the DIAL commad : Remember, the sequence is: 1. SET MODEM TYPE xxx 2. SET LINE /dev/xxx (in that order) and then DIAL. : >Of course the modem should set CD high at the same time it prints the : >CONNECT message. : : I think the CONNECT message comes after the CD is raised or nearly at : the same time which is well after the CARRIER 2400 message arrives. : Hmmm... I looked at the source code. If you happened to "set modem type" to one of the Rockwell varieties, it treats "CARRIER xxxx" like "CONNECT xxx". Is that wrong? Are you saying that the modem first says CARRIER 2400 and then says CONNECT 2400? The Rockwell modem support was added to C-Kermit from documents, but without a real example to test on. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 22 17:52:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA12649 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 17:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA08160 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 22 May 1999 17:28:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: ruptured-duck@home.com Subject: Re: Serial File Transfer on 3.2r4.2 Organization: Ruptured Duck Consulting Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:27:57 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Frank. I thought I'd move this chat off the SCO group, so as not to offend the bandwidth gods. I just sent a file from my OpenBSD box to my Linux system with cps=4063! The piece I was missing was that I had to set up kermit to handle the login and get rid of the getty spawned tty session. Once that was done I could set line and speeds first on both ends, something I couldn't do once getty had taken possession of the line, and then set one end to server and let her rip. I haven't pushed the speed thing but that 4063 was with both ends set to 38400. (This is with a null modem cable.) Here's a question or two: why do I get a '?Login ignored' once I do login? And, I upgraded the Linux kermit to one of the 'cku195' binaries, and I seem to have lost a neat on-screen display of file transfers that my ver. 6 kermit provides. Thanks for the feedback. It's great moral support just to be able exchange messages with you. -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, Rhode Island, USA --==++*++==-- "RMS's "curmudgeon-like" griping that he didn't like the term "Open Source" looked silly to many last year; it's not looking so dumb today..." Christopher B. Browne From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 22 18:52:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27038 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA10381 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 22 May 1999 18:23:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Serial File Transfer on 3.2r4.2 Date: 22 May 1999 22:23:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7i7aor$a4a$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : Hi Frank. I thought I'd move this chat off the SCO group, so as not : to offend the bandwidth gods. : : I just sent a file from my OpenBSD box to my Linux system with cps=4063! : I don't think the bandwidth gods would object to the posting of a success story, especially when it dispels certain myths. : The piece I was missing was that I had to set up kermit to handle the : login and get rid of the getty spawned tty session. Once that was done : I could set line and speeds first on both ends, something I couldn't do : once getty had taken possession of the line, and then set one end to : server and let her rip. : I'm not an SCO sysadmin expert and so can't comment. If you are initiating the connection from Linux, the normal thing is to have a getty on SCO side, but I have no idea how to configure the port for 38400 bps and RTS/CTS when it's under getty's control. Since you can put your hands on both PCs at the same time, your solution ("set line" on each of them) is fine, as long as you can keep getty out of the picture. : I haven't pushed the speed thing but that 4063 was : with both ends set to 38400. (This is with a null modem cable.) : That's because C-Kermit 7.0 has fast tuning by default, rather than robustness, as previous versions did. When it works out of the box with fast tuning, it's nice. : Here's a question or two: why do I get a '?Login ignored' once I do login? : I have no idea -- I'm not sure exactly how you set up the connection. But this is probably an SCO sysadmin thing rather than Kermit thing. Or did you give the login command to Kermit? (If so, it wouldn't apply here -- it's for logging in to the IKSD.) : And, I upgraded the Linux kermit to one of the 'cku195' binaries, and I : seem to have lost a neat on-screen display of file transfers that my : ver. 6 kermit provides. : It's still there, but Kermit couldn't find it. Every Linux distribution has a different idea about where the curses library is and what it's called. See the comments in the makefile and in ckuins.txt. : Thanks for the feedback. It's great moral support just to be able exchange : messages with you. : I like to think one of the attractions of Kermit is that you can get support. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 22 22:22:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA15854 for ; Sat, 22 May 1999 22:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA20907 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 22 May 1999 22:20:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: ruptured-duck@home.com Subject: Re: Serial File Transfer on 3.2r4.2 Organization: Ruptured Duck Consulting Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 02:04:02 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In comp.protocols.kermit.misc Frank da Cruz wrote: > : Here's a question or two: why do I get a '?Login ignored' once I do login? > : > I have no idea -- I'm not sure exactly how you set up the connection. > But this is probably an SCO sysadmin thing rather than Kermit thing. Or did > you give the login command to Kermit? (If so, it wouldn't apply here -- it's > for logging in to the IKSD.) It hadn't dawned on me that as long as I'm logged in on each of the machines that I then could execute a file transfer via kermit without another login. I just saw 'remote login' as an option and assumed I had to do it. > : And, I upgraded the Linux kermit to one of the 'cku195' binaries, and I > : seem to have lost a neat on-screen display of file transfers that my > : ver. 6 kermit provides. > : > It's still there, but Kermit couldn't find it. Every Linux distribution > has a different idea about where the curses library is and what it's called. > See the comments in the makefile and in ckuins.txt. Pilot error again: I was using the no_curses version. -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, Rhode Island, USA --==++*++==-- "RMS's "curmudgeon-like" griping that he didn't like the term "Open Source" looked silly to many last year; it's not looking so dumb today..." Christopher B. Browne From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 24 20:52:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05869 for ; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21544 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 24 May 1999 20:30:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Mr. Scott" Subject: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:16:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7icq4s$qqk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have observed recently that if my network connection through which I am connected to my UNIX host (via telnet) goes down, my kermit session hangs around and must be killed when I log back on; that is, by hunting it down with ps. Any suggestions on how to make kermit die as well. It seems that other people are experiencing the same thing and as these "detached" processes build up they lock us out of the modems they are connected with until someone detects and kills them. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 25 09:22:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06656 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 09:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27543 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 25 May 1999 09:19:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Date: 25 May 1999 13:19:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ie80r$qsl$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7icq4s$qqk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mr. Scott wrote: : I have observed recently that if my network connection through which I : am connected to my UNIX host (via telnet) goes down, my kermit session : hangs around and must be killed when I log back on; that is, by hunting : it down with ps. : You mean, your kermit sessions on the UNIX host to which you have telnetted? : Any suggestions on how to make kermit die as well. : As well as what? Do the other process in the same process tree die, and Kermit is the only one that doesn't? Or are they all still hanging around? In the latter case, it is a well-known property of TCP/IP that broken connections are sometimes not detected until hours after the fact. For example if I make a Telnet connection from a PC to a UNIX server and then power off the PC, the UNIX login and process tree will not notice until several hours later. (Remember that TCP/IP was originally designed for military use, for survivability in a nuclear war, etc.) : It seems that other people are experiencing the same thing and as : these "detached" processes build up they lock us out of the modems they : are connected with until someone detects and kills them. : On the other hand, if the other processes in the same process tree are disappearing but Kermit is not, we have a problem. In that case, please follow up with details: UNIX OS and version, C-Kermit version. But first, please try C-Kermit 7.0 Beta and see if it exhibits the same problem: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html If so, then contact us at kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 25 13:22:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25038 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA09370 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 25 May 1999 12:55:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@99.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Date: 25 May 1999 16:20:10 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7ieijq$in8$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mr. Scott (scott_davis@my-dejanews.com) wrote: : It seems that other people are experiencing the same thing and as : these "detached" processes build up they lock us out of the modems they : are connected with until someone detects and kills them. You are talking about two different connections here, and Kermit lives by the rules of the OS for each of them. Frank already talked about TCP persistence. Modems have no such persistence. I'm not sure what you mean by "lock us out of the modems". Are you telnetting in, and then occupying outbound modems? If so, you are stuck with the TCP issues. If the modem that you dialed into doesn't break down, because you have a telnet connection still alive beyond it, then you are talking about a misconfigured modem at the host end. You also are probably not talking about a kermit-telnet connection, but an OS-telnet connection. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 25 13:52:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06367 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11672 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 25 May 1999 13:40:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Mr. Scott" Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:27:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7iemha$5ea$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It appears that this case isn't as cut and dry as I thought. I closed my telnet session on purpose (while using kermit connected remotely) and all processes died. I think what happens is that (for some unknown reason) the terminal stops responding (when connected to the remote site) and the standard escape keys don't come back to either a local kermit or UNIX prompt, so out of desperation we shut down our entire session. It is then when we log back in that kermit is still running. I'm not sure whether the shell that was it's parent still exists or not. I'll keep a close eye on that. I just have to wait for another unexpected lockup (which, thank goodness, happens infrequently). For the record, I am already using C-Kermit 7.0 Beta, on AIX 4.2. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 25 14:22:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15696 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13163 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 25 May 1999 14:10:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Date: 25 May 1999 18:10:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7iep2p$cr7$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7iemha$5ea$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mr. Scott wrote: : It appears that this case isn't as cut and dry as I thought. I closed : my telnet session on purpose (while using kermit connected remotely) : and all processes died. I think what happens is that (for some unknown : reason) the terminal stops responding (when connected to the remote : site) and the standard escape keys don't come back to either a local : kermit or UNIX prompt, so out of desperation we shut down our entire : session. It is then when we log back in that kermit is still running. : I'm having trouble understanding exactly what you mean here. If you mean your telnet session to AIX (from what?) is hung, so you shut down your local session, then it's what I said yesterday -- AIX has no way of knowing the connection is down, because neither side closed it, and so it leaves the processes running. : I'm not sure whether the shell that was it's parent still exists or : not. I'll keep a close eye on that. I just have to wait for another : unexpected lockup (which, thank goodness, happens infrequently). : : For the record, I am already using C-Kermit 7.0 Beta, on AIX 4.2. : Earlier versions of Kermit ran in two forks, and so under certain conditions could leave zombies behind. C-Kermit 7.0 on most UNIX versions (including AIX) now runs in a single process, so no more zombies left behind by Kermit. If Kermit itself is left behind, it is either because the shell from which it was invoked never tried to kill it (e.g. because it does not know the connection has gone away), or because it tried and failed. The latter might occur on certain OS's when Kermit is stuck in a system call that is not returning, and system calls can't be interrupted. I don't know for sure if there are any such platforms, and if so, whether AIX is one of them. - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 25 15:52:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17256 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17892 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 25 May 1999 15:44:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.07 Ready for Testing Date: 25 May 1999 19:44:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ieuje$hf1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.07 is ready for testing; please pick it up at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html give it a spin, and report any problems to me. This should be nearly the last Beta edit before the final release. Here's a brief summary of changes since Beta.06: General: . New TYPE command switches: /HEAD, /TAIL, /MATCH, /WIDTH, etc. . SET BELL { ON, OFF } -- applies to all bells (transfer, dial, etc). File Transfer: . SET TELNET TRANSFER-MODE ON/OFF: whether to force Telnet binary mode for file transfer. . Serial and CRT displays now wrap long filenames. Communications: . More Kerberos variables & controls. . "NO DIALTONE" and other fatal errors now cancel automatic redialing. . Software flow-control fixed for Microlink, Megahertz, & other modems. . Fixed some errors in the Compaq modem definition. . Raised presumed max speed for Compaq & USR modems to 115200. Scripting: . ARRAY operations: COPY, SORT, DESTROY, CLEAR, SET, RESIZE, ... . Maxiumum number of macros increased from 4K to 16K. . New IF conditions: IF WILD, IF QUIET, IF LOCAL, ... . IF DEFINED \m(composite-name), e.g. "if def \m(abc::\%1)". . Dial-modifier variables added that track modem type. . Modem-signal variables added that reflect current state of each signal. . New commands _INCREMENT, _DECREMENT, _EVALUATE. . EVALUATE command syntax changed to set the given variable to result. . SET EVALUATE { OLD, NEW } chooses old or new EVAL syntax. . \fsearch() for regular expression in a string. . \farraylook() for regular expression in an array. . \ftablelook() keyword lookup in a table. . \v(setlinemsg) has error message from most recent SET LINE/HOST command. . SET QUIET setting is now on the command stack. . SET QUIET ON now suppresses SET LINE / SET MODEM failure messages. . Script library examples updated to use new features. IKSD: . IKSD login/authorization improvements. . Authentication via PAM and shadow passwords. UNIX: . Uses realpath() to resolve pathnames on platforms that support it. . Digital UNIX SCREEN command fixed to use actual terminal type (Lucas Hart). . "make linuxc", "make linuxnotcp" targets fixed. VMS: . VMS C-Kermit REMOTE HOST keepalive feature now works (Lucas Hart). . Renewed Process Software TCPware support (with help from Hunter Goatley). . Wollongong/Attachmate Pathway support fixed (Brian Tillman). . SET FLOW KEEP fixed. OS-9: . Various source-code fixes (Martin Whitaker). . Recursive directory traversal added (Martin Whitaker). New platforms: . PDP-11 with 2.11BSD (command-line version only). Bugs fixed: . Some internal memory leaks plugged. . Various problems with parsing "kerbang" command lines. . Terminal modes during execution of Kerbang scripts. . END command dumping core when given at top level. . HP-UX 6 and 7 terminal-mode glitches fixed. . \fsplit() dumping core on empty strings. . Some problems accessing the top-level arg vector in a FOR loop. . if ( condition ) { commands } else if defined \%x { commands } didn't work. . Various problems with RETURN from inside an IF statement. . Failure to find specified init file did not give an error message. . Various commands were not getting into the command recall buffer. . Various problems with 'kermit -C ""'. . \frindex() was misinterpreting its optional 3rd argument. . Broken DIRECTORY command in Unixware 7. . Broken filename completion in UNIX for "./xxx". Thanks to Jeff Altman plus those mentioned above for their contributions to Beta.07, and to Peter Eichhorn and Dat Nguyen for extensive testing of Beta.06, and to everyone else who sent reports. And thanks to those who have already sent in Beta.07 binaries -- as you can see from the web page, we already have more than 120 of them. But we can always use more, so if you can make any that are not listed there, please upload them to: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/incoming/ or: iksd://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/incoming/ using the same naming conventions. Thanks! - Frank From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 25 20:22:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00717 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA08569 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:20:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Mr. Scott" Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:06:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7ifdug$nok$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Let me clear up what I've tried (and failed) to say by stating what happens in a step by step description. 1) I open up a version of Procomm Plus 4.7 on my Win 98 computer. 2) I tell it to telnet to our AIX box. 3) I log on. 4) I start kermit. 5) I establish a local connection to our CISCO modem bank by typing: use cisco. Explanation: This is a macro that does lots of things, such as set host 132.147.1.2:7001 set blah blah blah (all kinds of configs for using these modems) 6) I "dial" a client. 7) I do some work, then, all of a sudden, keypresses stop responding. At this point I really don't know where in the connection path (starting from my PC and ending up at our client) that a failure has occured, only that NOTHING unlocks the sudden "freeze" in communications. Procomm still reports that it is happily connected to our UNIX host, so I assume that part of the path is okay. The only thing I can do at this point is shut down Procomm and start it up again, but when I do the "kermit" process is still running from the last session. If I just shut down the Procomm session when everything is still responding then the kermit process dies just fine. Now we have another group of modems attached to traditional ttys. When a session hangs when connected to one of these, the lockfile on that tty does not release, and that tty is reported as unusable by kermit until the hung kermit process is killed. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 25 20:52:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05078 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA09234 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 25 May 1999 20:36:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Date: 26 May 1999 00:36:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7iffn9$90f$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7ifdug$nok$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mr. Scott wrote: : 7) I do some work, then, all of a sudden, keypresses stop responding. : At this point I really don't know where in the connection path : (starting from my PC and ending up at our client) that a failure has : occured, only that NOTHING unlocks the sudden "freeze" in : communications. Procomm still reports that it is happily connected to : our UNIX host, so I assume that part of the path is okay. And how is Procomm testing the connection to the host? The only reliable method to test the connection is a "Telnet Are You There?" query. If you are not testing the connection via this method you can make no assumption about the reliability of the connection. All you know at this point you are typing at the keyboard. : The only thing I can do at this point is shut down Procomm and start it : up again, but when I do the "kermit" process is still running from the : last session. If I just shut down the Procomm session when everything : is still responding then the kermit process dies just fine. Which indicates that your Telnet connection was no longer valid because the AIX box did not recognize that the connection was terminated. If the AIX box received the connection closure it would have terminated the shell, the kermit process, and anything else that you were running. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 25 22:22:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14164 for ; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA13706 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 25 May 1999 22:20:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@99.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Date: 26 May 1999 02:19:19 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7ifln7$q4v$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mr. Scott (scott_davis@my-dejanews.com) wrote: : The only thing I can do at this point is shut down Procomm and start it : up again, but when I do the "kermit" process is still running from the : last session. If I just shut down the Procomm session when everything : is still responding then the kermit process dies just fine. The parent process for the kermit session that is hung, is now important. If you still have a 'shell' attached to your disconnected telnet session, then we are back to the TCP persistence that Frank mentioned, which is between AIX and Procomm, and has nothing in particular to do with kermit. Is the modem server on the network, and you are using a kermit session to get from AIX to the modem server? Why not go from your ProComm directly to the modem server? Or better yet, directly from a Kermit-95 telnet session on your PC to the modem server. In this fashion, you could even run the same scripts that run on the AIX kermit, which Procomm can't do, if those are necessary to condition the modems on the modem server. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 26 12:22:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21399 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA13069 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:00:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Mr. Scott" Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:55:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7ih212$rvs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thank you for responding. Yes, it pretty much is a Procomm->UNIX issue because the shell is hanging around. I'm just incredulous that UNIX doesn't swiftly detect the broken connection; instead, waiting hours, days, or sometimes what seems like forever to finally realize that no-one is on the other end of a telnet connection. What's up with that? Can you explain why such dumbness would happen? I program sockets a bit, and it was my understanding that "send", "recv", or whatever returns a zero to indicate EOF when a TCP connection is broken. All the server programs I have written detect this condition immediately as the client shuts down, dies, terminates, whatever. Why doesn't the UNIX telnet/pty server program do the same? --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 26 12:22:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21417 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA12944 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:58:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Mr. Scott" Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:45:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7ih1du$rfg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > Which indicates that your Telnet connection was no longer valid because > the AIX box did not recognize that the connection was terminated. If the > AIX box received the connection closure it would have terminated the > shell, the kermit process, and anything else that you were running. Okay, now it's your turn to explain a bit more. Are you saying that my Procomm session disconnected without realizing it was disconnected and without sending some sort of message to UNIX saying "hey, i have disconnected", and therefore UNIX didn't clean up. Wouldn't UNIX sense a broken connection even though a nice, neat, "hey, I'm disconnected" message didn't arrive? One thing I can see clearly now, and thanks in advance for leading me to think it out myself. That is, I understand why kermit is hanging around. Obviously, if UNIX thinks I'm still running my shell, there's no reason to send a HUP to kill kermit. But why does it still think I'm running my shell when my session terminated? I know this goes back to the previous paragraph's question, and I await what I'm sure will be a very interesting answer. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 26 13:22:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09149 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15813 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 26 May 1999 12:54:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Date: 26 May 1999 16:54:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ih90o$fe2$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7ih1du$rfg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mr. Scott wrote: : : > Which indicates that your Telnet connection was no longer valid : because : > the AIX box did not recognize that the connection was terminated. If : the : > AIX box received the connection closure it would have terminated the : > shell, the kermit process, and anything else that you were running. : : Okay, now it's your turn to explain a bit more. : : Are you saying that my Procomm session disconnected without realizing : it was disconnected and without sending some sort of message to UNIX : saying "hey, i have disconnected", and therefore UNIX didn't clean up. : Wouldn't UNIX sense a broken connection even though a nice, neat, "hey, : I'm disconnected" message didn't arrive? : : One thing I can see clearly now, and thanks in advance for leading me : to think it out myself. That is, I understand why kermit is hanging : around. Obviously, if UNIX thinks I'm still running my shell, there's : no reason to send a HUP to kill kermit. But why does it still think : I'm running my shell when my session terminated? I know this goes back : to the previous paragraph's question, and I await what I'm sure will be : a very interesting answer. >From the standpoint of the Unix side of the connection everything is perfectly fine. It has not received any data in a long time but there is no requirement that it ever receive any data. Nor has it tried to send any data therefore as far as it is concerned everything is ok. >From the Procomm side, it looks to me that Procomm is not checking the error code of attempts to write to the socket. If it did it would eventually determine that the route between the PC and AIX is no longer functioning. The problem could be caused by extremely high packet loss rates over the Internet or a router which has been restarted. What Kermit 95 would do in this situation would be to check the error condition of each attempt to write data. The first attempt to send data on a broken connection would not report an error but all future attempts would fail. Once a failure was detected K95 would close the connection. However, this might not help you. If the cause of your problem is a router that is no longer functioning, there is no way for the PC to indicate to the AIX box that this particular TCP/IP connection is being closed. If you want the host to detect that the connection is no longer valid, the telnetd will have to be modified to attempt to send some message on a periodic basis to test the connection. This could be a telnet go ahead or a telnet data mark message. Anything that the client will process and not respond with real data. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 26 13:52:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA18655 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA18554 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:50:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@99.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Date: 26 May 1999 17:49:07 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7ihc6j$7s2$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : If you want the host to detect that the connection is no longer : valid, the telnetd will have to be modified to attempt to send some : message on a periodic basis to test the connection. This could be : a telnet go ahead or a telnet data mark message. Anything that the : client will process and not respond with real data. One of my customers offered Convergent computers to college libraries around the country, and they could check other campus' inventories. PCs would 'telnet' in and check stuff, and then quit improperly. I think it was early Macs that were at fault. Eventually there wouldn't be any more telnet processes/ports available for fresh logins. I recall that the limit by default was either 16 or 32. Telnetd was modified for this customer, but the mods were never moved into SVR2 releases. Later, this same customer changed what telnet did when it did get a proper disconnect. I don't recall the detail, but it was a fairly polite kill to child processes, that he wanted changed to a buffer-dumping merciless kill. Like lots of other things in unix, the default is very generic. If your situation has tighter requirements, it is possible to add more layers, without affecting the underlying stateless connection. I wrote a very simple 'killidle' that is invoked at login time, and monitors the "tty" associated with the login. If there's no activity for five minutes, it does a programmatic shutdown of the process that it knows was started... In my case, I know what the process is, and that it is okay to terminate it. That can't be the case generically. And, if you are using Procomm to AIX, then kermit out to a modem server, you should probably be doing the connection directly to the modem server in the first place. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 26 16:52:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12517 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA27989 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:30:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Mr. Scott" Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:22:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7ihl5i$atd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please see my post to Mr Altman. Do you have any comments? --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 26 16:52:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12520 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28014 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:31:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Mr. Scott" Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:20:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7ihl1n$asf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >From the standpoint of the Unix side of the connection everything is >perfectly fine. It has not received any data in a long time but there >is no requirement that it ever receive any data. Nor has it tried to >send any data therefore as far as it is concerned everything >is ok Hmmm, perhaps I had better study the TCP protocol better. I thought it was the nature of the TCP protocol to maintain a "connected" state through the (invisible to the socket programmer) use of some sort of "keepalive" packets. If the keepalive packets don't arrive after a time, the connection is deemed lost. That was my impression. So although no application data is needed or expected in either direction, the lack of keepalive messages should still flag the telnetd that the connection is no longer active and therefore notify the terminal driver to cleanup the session. Again, that is only my impression of how it works. Do you have anything to add? --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 26 16:52:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12523 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28263 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:33:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Message-ID: Date: 26 May 99 12:01:58 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7ih212$rvs$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mr. Scott writes: > Thank you for responding. > Yes, it pretty much is a Procomm->UNIX issue because the shell is > hanging around. I'm just incredulous that UNIX doesn't swiftly detect > the broken connection; instead, waiting hours, days, or sometimes what > seems like forever to finally realize that no-one is on the other end > of a telnet connection. What's up with that? Can you explain why such > dumbness would happen? I program sockets a bit, and it was my > understanding that "send", "recv", or whatever returns a zero to > indicate EOF when a TCP connection is broken. All the server programs > I have written detect this condition immediately as the client shuts > down, dies, terminates, whatever. Why doesn't the UNIX telnet/pty > server program do the same? ------- You've answered your own question. If there is nothing to say on the wire then with TCP/IP nothing is said, and that is by careful design. To sense a broken connection both sides have to say something and then look at the function status returns. One can pull the 10BaseT wire from an interconnection, go away for eons, put it back, and neither end knows this has occurred. Replace pulling wire with major nuclear event. Some systems provide a TCP/IP keep-alive probe, but it starts very late and is very patient. See your systems manager about details. In the end the problem is not Kermit but the rest of the environment. Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 26 17:52:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29573 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 17:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA01302 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 26 May 1999 17:32:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Message-ID: Date: 26 May 99 15:27:46 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7ihl1n$asf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mr. Scott writes: >>From the standpoint of the Unix side of the connection everything is >>perfectly fine. It has not received any data in a long time but there >>is no requirement that it ever receive any data. Nor has it tried to >>send any data therefore as far as it is concerned everything >>is ok > > Hmmm, perhaps I had better study the TCP protocol better. > I thought it was the nature of the TCP protocol to maintain > a "connected" state through the (invisible to the socket programmer) > use of some sort of "keepalive" packets. If the keepalive packets > don't arrive after a time, the connection is deemed lost. That was my > impression. So although no application data is needed or expected in > either direction, the lack of keepalive messages should still flag the > telnetd that the connection is no longer active and therefore notify > the terminal driver to cleanup the session. Again, that is only my > impression of how it works. Do you have anything to add? -------------- Unfortunately or not, TCP has no such facility. The keepalive I discussed today is a special feature on some systems that cuts in after say an hour of inactivity. There is normally no traffic when the apps have nothing to say, and it is a common misunderstanding that network connections are like telephone connections (where hanging up breaks an electrical circuit). As Jeff tried to explain, what happens after a stack tries to send and fails is up to that operating system to manage. The stack is often in the kernel and failure messages are passed up to the application. What happens next is up to the application, not up to the protocol stack. Thus they may be ignored up there and programs continue to be active. Some systems have an overriding inactivity timer, a looong one, which works on any connection in the manner that no activity will kill the login process and any available descendents. Many don't have this facility. Some, say VMS, snoop and notice the communications channel has declared a no-comms situation and shortly after will kill the login session. But it takes outgoing traffic to detect this event. Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 26 18:22:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07498 for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 18:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02679 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 26 May 1999 18:00:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Mr. Scott" Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:50:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7ihqba$f1h$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > In the end the problem is not Kermit but the rest of the environment. I agree. It was an enjoyable thread though. Thanks all for your thoughtful postings. Of course, if anyone has any in depth explanations they'd still like to offer, feel free to email me. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 27 14:23:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14672 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA04328 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:21:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Mr. Scott" Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:09:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7ik1om$1o9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thank you for the explanation. I learned something new today, and, after all, that's what the newsgroups are for! I vote for a new transport layer protocol that uses keep alive packets. But then again, I see why this wasn't done in the first place: network traffic. The perils of living in an imperfect world with imperfect solutions... --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 27 14:53:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25056 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05270 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:36:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Who has IBM AIXlink/X.25? Date: 27 May 1999 18:36:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ik3bs$54k$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu C-Kermit is communications software that offers a platform- and medium-independent approach to terminal sessions, file transfer, and scripting. It runs on UNIX (all varieties as far as I know), VMS, Stratus VOS, AOS/VS, and a bunch of other platforms, and it can make direct serial connections, modem connections, TCP/IP connections, and (on selected platforms, since there is no standard or common API for this) X.25 connections. One of the selected platforms is AIX, where the AIXlink/X.25 API is used. I am getting ready to release version 7.0 of C-Kermit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html but do not have access to an AIX system with AIXlink/X2.25 to build or test the X.25 features. Does anybody out there have such a platform? If so, and you're willing to try building the new version, please contact me. Thanks! Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7799 USA Email: fdc@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 27 14:53:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25058 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05028 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:34:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Who has SunLink X.25? Date: 27 May 1999 18:34:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ik36p$4t1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu C-Kermit is communications software that offers a platform- and medium-independent approach to terminal sessions, file transfer, and scripting. It runs on UNIX (all varieties as far as I know), VMS, Stratus VOS, AOS/VS, and a bunch of other platforms, and it can make direct serial connections, modem connections, TCP/IP connections, and (on selected platforms, since there is no standard or common API for this) X.25 connections. One of the selected platforms is Solaris (and SunOS), where the SunLink X.25 API is used. SunLink versions through 8.0 are supported. I am getting ready to release version 7.0 of C-Kermit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html but no longer have access to a SunLink X.25 site on SunOS or Solaris (any version) to build or test the X.25 features. Does anybody out there have such a platform? If so, and you're willing to try building the new version, please contact me. Thanks! Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7799 USA Email: fdc@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 27 19:23:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21005 for ; Thu, 27 May 1999 19:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA19388 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 27 May 1999 19:02:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: kermit process hangs around after terminal disconnect Message-ID: Date: 27 May 99 16:55:55 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7ik1om$1o9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mr. Scott writes: > Thank you for the explanation. > I learned something new today, and, after all, that's what the > newsgroups are for! > I vote for a new transport layer protocol that uses keep alive packets. > But then again, I see why this wasn't done in the first place: > network traffic. > The perils of living in an imperfect world with imperfect solutions... ---------- Yes, what you say is true deeper down too. Those folks who use telco lines with charging would appreciate not having hello pkts dialing up, those with ISDN lines wouldn't notice too much until the bill arrives, and those with lan connections would shrug and say bandwidth is someone else's problem. Alas, simply turning off/crashing the client takes awhile to notice even with probes (as a safety margin for flakey nets). And eventually we will be dinged by the packet if the commercial operators can manage it. In the meanwhile, Unix systems can implement overall timers to kick off inactive machines (even though network comms are fine, or otherwise). So please speak with your Unix system manager and above about this common feature. Keep in mind that other users may complain about lost work overnight when their jobs have no interaction for many hours. And the TCP/IP protocol stacks can be constructed to implement TCP (not UDP) keepalive probes. Same folks to talk with. Joe D. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 28 08:23:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26357 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA15544 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:04:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: goldstar@starwon.com.au (Richard I) Subject: Re: How to transfer a file while in connected mode Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:55:35 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Message-ID: <374e7565.155097851@enews.newsguy.com> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu rosseau@imap2.asu.edu wrote: >Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >: Please visit the Kermit website: >: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ >: to find out how to get Kermit software manuals. >It is most unfortunate that the individual who replied to your request >could not provide a more detailed explanation. Well, he wrote the manuals and probably doesn't want to do it all over again on the newsgroup :) Now, if I can only get hold of a manual .... Rick From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 28 14:53:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00450 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05106 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:27:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) Subject: Re: Who has SunLink X.25? Date: 28 May 1999 18:19:58 GMT Organization: home Message-ID: <7ik36p$4t1$1@cucumber.demon.co.uk> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7ik36p$4t1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >C-Kermit is communications software that offers a platform- and >medium-independent approach to terminal sessions, file transfer, >and scripting. It runs on UNIX (all varieties as far as I know), >VMS, Stratus VOS, AOS/VS, and a bunch of other platforms, and it >can make direct serial connections, modem connections, TCP/IP >connections, and (on selected platforms, since there is no standard >or common API for this) X.25 connections. One of the selected >platforms is Solaris (and SunOS), where the SunLink X.25 API is used. >SunLink versions through 8.0 are supported. I'm happy to try building, but I probably can't find time at the moment to do any testing (as it's not a package I have any experience with and there would probably be at least a small learning curve). I have SunLink X.25 on two old release systems (specifically for building our shipped products), with Sun's C compilers: Solaris sparc 2.3, SunLink 8.0 (plus patches I think) Solaris x86 2.4, SunLink 8.0.2 Let me know if this is of any use. BTW, the X.25 NLI API interface is pretty standard across most unixs, as most vendors' implementations are derived from the original Spider one, although there is one part of the interface which varies (selecting which link in the case of multiple X.25 links). The odd-ball unixs I've come across which don't conform to this are AIX and Digital Unix. -- Andrew Gabriel Consultant Software Engineer From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 28 19:53:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09704 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 19:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21998 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 28 May 1999 19:51:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <374F2BEB.587B58D5@usit.net> From: ERA Computer Consulting Organization: ERA Computer Consulting Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.07 Ready for Testing Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:54:11 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Excellent! When can we expect the new C-Kermit manuals to hit the market? I'll gladly buy another. What I've seen of 7.0 is way cool so far and I intend to keep it. Frank da Cruz wrote: > > C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.07 is ready for testing; please pick it up at: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html > > give it a spin, and report any problems to me. This should be > nearly the last Beta edit before the final release.... -- Gene Alexander -- +==========================-=>Team OS/2<=-==========================+ # Owner and C.E.O. - ERA Computer Consulting - Jackson, TN USA # #Providing IBM OS/2 and SCO OpenServer Business Computing Solutions# # visit our www pages at http://www.townsendsupply.com/era/ # +===================================================================+ The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 46 Processes with 166 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 2h 7m 1s 808ms. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 28 19:53:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09706 for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 19:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21638 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 28 May 1999 19:44:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <374F2A3D.EAB26503@usit.net> From: ERA Computer Consulting Organization: ERA Computer Consulting Subject: Re: How to transfer a file while in connected mode Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:47:01 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu rosseau@imap2.asu.edu wrote: > > Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : In article <7h9sm3$dlr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > : jpbrahma wrote: > : : I am new to kermit. Can anybody tell me > : : how to transfer a text file while being connected > : : to a serial port . OR what is the key board equivalent > : : of the ' transmit command' > : : > : Please visit the Kermit website: > > : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ > > : to find out how to get Kermit software manuals. > > : - Frank > > -- > Jpbrahma: > > It is most unfortunate that the individual who replied to your > request could not provide a more detailed explanation. Perhaps the > person is incapable of writing more than a sentance at a time. I > think there is a friendlier way to respond to a request for > information then simply a one sentence shrug-off. I suppose there > is an excuse for such behavior..... Yeah, newbie, the excuse is Frank da Cruz is one of the Authors, along with Christine Gianone, of the Using C-Kermit "nth" Edition. The answers to the majority of questions like the one above are covered in the manuals that PAY for this "free" software you dweeb! If one don't pay, one don't get answers. Duh! Sheesh, why don't ya just prove you're an ignoramus to the world in a world-wide newsgroup. -- Gene Alexander -- +==========================-=>Team OS/2<=-==========================+ # Owner and C.E.O. - ERA Computer Consulting - Jackson, TN USA # #Providing IBM OS/2 and SCO OpenServer Business Computing Solutions# # visit our www pages at http://www.townsendsupply.com/era/ # +===================================================================+ The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 46 Processes with 166 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 1h 52m 59s 277ms. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 29 00:23:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08082 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 00:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA04313 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 29 May 1999 00:21:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Marco Cintolesi" Subject: Sending Control-Z Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:59:58 +0200 Message-ID: <374ebc6f.0@news.dada.it> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, a stupid question from a kemit newbie.... how to send the combination Control-Z ? output {??????} Thanks m. From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 29 18:23:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06968 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA20974 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:05:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Brian K. White" Subject: cku195b07.sco234c crashing on reentry into server mode Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 05:42:59 -0400 Organization: Deja News Posting Service Message-ID: <374FB6A3.83E4DAF1@squonk.net> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Anyone else seeing this? hardware: 486-50, 16M ram, Digiboard PC/Xe (ISA, with 80186) software: Xenix 386 GT 2.3.4, digiboard driver v5.3.0, cku195b07.sco234c (also 195b05, will test old versions today) Recipe to get symptom: enter kermit enter server mode ctrl-c out of sever mode try to reenter server mode--->crash (detail of crash below, it doesn't have to crash, but will if you let it.) Symptoms: kermit hangs/crashes any time you try to reenter server mode without exiting-restarting kermit too. the first switch to server mode works fine, and the server works fine for as long as you care to leave it up, tested overnight so far. but if you exit server mode, and then reenter, it hang after printing two messages: "Now eneterin server mode on ttyi1h" "Press ctrl-c to quit" it gets one more linefeed after that, but doesnt clear the screen or redraw the server file transfer display. at this point, it is not necessarily crashed yet. it responds to a ctrl-c and you get back a kermit prompt, and command-mode and connect as client functions all work ok. if you try to go back into server mode the same thing happens. you can try and abort and retry as many times as you like. if, when it is hung as I described, you don't ctrl-c out of it, the hard drive becomes very active and the whole system (all tty's not just this shell) becomes unresponsive or very slow to respond as though under extreme load. this lasts about a minute or two untill kermit coredumps with the message: "Memory fault(coredump)" and the system returns to normal, and no harm is done other than the console that was running kermit must be logged out / back in to get the display working properly, but the shell itself is still accepting commands even. for the record: using the following scripts has been a perfectly functioning work-around the net effect i sthat you start the server with the shell script, and any time you stop the server, it exits all the way out of kermit, so you always restart with the shell script, and never enter server mode more than the first time. btw: this reminds me of a question: is #!/usr/local/bin/kermit supposed to work on xenix? it's working on open server 5.05, but I had to use the following two-file combo on xenix. /usr/local/bin/ks: ----start---- kermit /usr/local/lib/kermit/server ----stop---- /usr/local/lib/kermit/server: ----start---- set port /dev/ttyi1h !ditty fastbaud fastcook forcedcd -ixon -ixoff -ixany rtspace ctspace ttyi1h set flow keep set speed 110 eightbit enable all set server display on set server get-path / set server login abc abc server ----stop---- with the above setup, I can type "ks ctrl-c ks ctrl-c ks ctrl-c..." starting/stopping the server as many times as I want with no problems. notes on the above: ditty is a souped up stty that comes with the digiboard, and is used to set communications parameters outside of the stock xenix norm. the combination of setting 'fastbaud' on the port, and then asking for speed '110' set the port to 115200. this version of xenix does on it's own know about rts/cts, but this version of kermit does not, so I set rts/cts with ditty, and then tell kermit not to look at flow control at all. btw: the communication itself seems to be working quite nice, even at the breakneck speed. downloading files from the xenix box in server mode, to a Open Server box, running cku195b07.sco32v505netgcc also via a digiboard, using a short, hand-wired, sheilded, full null cable, I get about one retransmitted packet per megabyte and the cps rate is between 10,000 and 17,000 ! the files themselves arrive clean, accurate copies. (binary mode, including executables which ran (are running) fine.) also, setting the above ditty settings and just enabling the port for normal getty login, and logging in from the open server box with kermit works perfect, including lots of heavy ansi full color / upper ascii screen drawing. -- Brian~ From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 30 03:23:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA03256 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 03:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA14427 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 30 May 1999 03:23:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us (fred smith) Subject: Re: Sending Control-Z Organization: None! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 01:57:49 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Marco Cintolesi (mcinto@[NOSPAM]technets.net) wrote: : Hi all, : a stupid question from a kemit newbie.... : how to send the combination Control-Z ? : output {??????} I'd try: output \26 Fred -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ------------------------ ---- Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom. ----------------------------- Isaiah 40:28 (niv) ----------------------------- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 30 10:23:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23098 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 10:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02028 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 30 May 1999 09:54:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "John Chewter" Subject: Hi - Calling kermit 95 or 314 from another program - Help? Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 14:49:08 +0100 Message-ID: <37514879@news.power.net.uk> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi - because my customer has some special requirements, I have to write a program (VB5) to dial and negotiate the login protocol - this has been done. The problem is in trying to execute kermit send and get commands to the VAX VMS Ckermit server. I have tried using several comms libraries but they seem to do a receive not a get - at least it doesn't work. I can do it easily in Kermit95 or 314. So noting Franks recent comments and his web page (and three of his books which I have already purchased) It would appear that I should be able to establish the connection and then shell to kermit so do the transfer. The problem - kermit says port is busy if I establish connection with TAPI If I establish call with mscomm active control in VB5 and set kermit port to same baud/data/start and all that stuff and do a get *.* in the kermit ini file - it just sits there.......... Any clues (Im sure I will get there but and time saving help would be greatly appreciated) ? Does anyone know of any libraries that will do a GET~?? Thanks for any help John Chewter Milton Keynes, England From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 30 12:53:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09503 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 12:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08737 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 30 May 1999 12:26:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us (fred smith) Subject: Re: cku195b07.sco234c crashing on reentry into server mode Organization: None! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:19:00 GMT To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Brian K. White (linut@squonk.net) wrote: : Anyone else seeing this? : if, when it is hung as I described, you don't ctrl-c out of it, the hard : drive becomes very active and the whole system (all tty's not just this : shell) becomes unresponsive or very slow to respond as though under : extreme load. this lasts about a minute or two untill kermit coredumps : with the message: : "Memory fault(coredump)" and the system returns to normal, and no harm : is done other than the console that was running kermit must be logged : out / back in to get the display working properly, but the shell itself : is still accepting commands even. Boy, this rings a (faint bell). I've seen something like this before, waaaaay back when I ran Xenix at work. What it's doing is trying to allocate a gigantic chunk of memory, for some erroneous reason, and eating all the swap space. What I can't remember right now is what I used to do to fix it. I recall that it required compiling Kermit with some different options, but for the life of me what that difference is won't come back to me right now. Wild guess: it may be that the one you've got was compiled with -DDYNAMIC, if so maybe you can find or make one compiled without. : btw: this reminds me of a question: is #!/usr/local/bin/kermit supposed : to work on xenix? it's working on open server 5.05, but I had to use the : following two-file combo on xenix. As best as I can recall, Xenix doesn't support the #!/ mechanism. -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ----------------------------- The eyes of the Lord are everywhere, keeping watch on the wicked and the good. ----------------------------- Proverbs 15:3 (niv) ----------------------------- From news@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 31 00:53:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24937 for ; Mon, 31 May 1999 00:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA10427 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 31 May 1999 00:26:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Hi - Calling kermit 95 or 314 from another program - Help? Date: 31 May 1999 04:26:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7it31k$a5n$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <37514879@news.power.net.uk>, John Chewter wrote: : Hi - because my customer has some special requirements, I have to write a : program (VB5) to dial and negotiate the login protocol - this has been done. : : The problem is in trying to execute kermit send and get commands to the VAX : VMS Ckermit server. : : I have tried using several comms libraries but they seem to do a receive not : a get - at least it doesn't work. I can do it easily in Kermit95 or 314. : : So noting Franks recent comments and his web page (and three of his books : which I have already purchased) : : It would appear that I should be able to establish the connection and then : shell to kermit so do the transfer. : : The problem - kermit says port is busy if I establish connection with TAPI Because you are attempting to open the port a second time instead of passing the device handle from your open device to K95 via the command line. k95.exe -l _ -C "take