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From: vicpylon@hotmail.com (vic)
Subject: Kermit macros
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 04:13:13 GMT
Organization: Internet Access Inc. NetA.Com
Message-ID: <379a8e93.9577696@news.neta.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hi,

Is there a way to have kermit execute a series of commands on the
computer it is connected to automatically. For example, can it utilize
a macro to do this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks,

Vic

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Kermit macros
Date: 25 Jul 1999 13:15:14 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7nf2l2$n7i$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <379a8e93.9577696@news.neta.com>, vic <vicpylon@hotmail.com> wrote:
: Is there a way to have kermit execute a series of commands on the
: computer it is connected to automatically. For example, can it utilize
: a macro to do this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
:
Yes, most of the popular Kermit versions have an entire script programming
language built in that lets you do this.  The script language is documented
in the appropriate manual:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html

- Frank



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From: "Tommy Martin" <tmartin@ls.net>
Subject: Re: How can I set the date and time
Message-ID: <CkKm3.64$Zw6.11853@news2.randori.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:14:39 -0400
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

On K95 version 1.15 someone must
<Press a Key to continue>
after a RUN.

Is there a switch I can send with the run so my script will continue
without a body a the keyboard.  Or another method of setting the clock.

Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <7ncbau$gap$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <pbim3.1886$Oe2.21748@news2.randori.com>,
>Tommy Martin <tmartin@ls.net> wrote:
>: I have a K95 script that dials and logs into an RS6000.  It then starts
>: Kermit Version 6 in server mode.  Then it  transfers a couple files both
>: ways.  I would like to set the date and time on the PC to the same as the
>: RS6000 without any extra key strokes.
>
>REMOTE QUERY KERMIT time
>RUN TIME \v(query)


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Message-ID: <379BD1A1.2369B0A4@hastdeer.com.au>
From: Rob Irvine <robi@hastdeer.com.au>
Organization: Hastings Deering
Subject: Re: default file destination after a reconnection.
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:10:26 +1000
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Thank you for your prompt reply,  I will look at your suggestions.

I have found that by doing

"set receive pathnames on"

on the server PC, any failed transmits, when they are eventually successful
(usually because the warehouse PC has been switched off and the on again), will
correctly send the first file to the right directory. Possibly the default used
to be "on" (I have noticed that with some other defaults e.g. exit warning).

Frank da Cruz wrote:

> In article <379288D1.6A692568@hastdeer.com.au>,
> Rob Irvine  <robi@hastdeer.com.au> wrote:
> : We use kermit to send files from a Sun Sparc 7 Unix kermit (6.0.192)
> : client to a Win95 Kermit 95 (1.1.17) server using the following 2
> : scripts.  This all works just fine with the Server PC being in a
> : warehouse.  My problem occurs if the PC is stopped for some reason and
> : the Unix client initiates the following script while it is stopped.  It
> : waits till the PC is brought up, but sends the first file to the default
> : c:\k95 directory instead of c:\scar\host. I have tried putting the whole
> : pathname\filename in the send line ,  but this doesn't make any
> : difference.  The second file is transmitted correctly.  As I have at
> : least 2 applications using the server I cannot use a server-side default
> : directory but need the file to go where I want it even if  there has
> : been an interrupted transmission.
> :
> : I have tried setting timeout to 0 but the client just goes to sleep and
> : never awakes and there doesn't seem to be any option to set retry to
> : forever (the limit is 999).
> :
> Timeout 0 means no timeout.  Retries refer to retransmission of corrupted
> packets.  If you have to retransmit the same packet 1000 times, you probably
> don't have a usable connection.
>
> If you are trying to catch the situation in which the PC's modem answers
> the phone but the PC is not running, a better approach is something like
> this:
>
>   while true {                         ; Loop forever
>       dial <phone-number>              ; Dial the PC's number
>       xif fail {                       ; No answer
>           pause 60                     ; Wait a minute
>           continue                     ; and try again
>       }
>       set retry 2                      ; Call was answered
>       for \%i 1 10 1 {                 ; See if the server is there
>           remote pwd                   ; This command has a short answer
>           if success goto haveserver   ; Got an answer
>           pause 60                     ; No answer - keep trying
>       }
>       hangup                           ; Still no answer - hang up
>   }                                    ; and redial
>
>   :haveserver
>   ...
>
> : Unix script
> :
> ; ( bnestt is a terminal server on our lan, with the PC connected to port 15)
> ;
> : set net tcp
> : set host bnestt 2015
> : set command bytesize 8
> : set terminal bytesize 8
> : set parity none
> : set duplex full
> : fast
> : set flow-control xon
> : set handshake none
> : set exit warning off
> : remote cd c:/scar/host
> :
> if fail stop 1 REMOTE CD c:/scar/host failed
>
> : send /usr/hd/vca/hdkrdn2686 C649745.PK2
> : if failure goto :noupload1
> : remote cd c:/bcar/host
> :
> if fail stop 1 REMOTE CD c:/bcar/host failed
>
> : send /usr/hd/vca/hdkrdn3686 C649745.DA2
> : if failure goto :noupload2
> : :quit
> : quit
> : :noupload1
> : echo  ERROR NO UPLOAD 1
> : goto :quit
> : :noupload2
> : echo  ERROR NO UPLOAD 2
> : goto :quit
> :
> Just use STOP 1 for all this - it does the same thing in one statement.
>
> : Win95 script
> :
> : ; FILE K95CUSTOM.INI -- Kermit 95 Customizations
> : assign \%a com1
> : set line \%a
> :
> if fail stop 1 can't open port \%1
>
> : set speed 9600
> : set parity none
> : :ok
> : set duplex full
> : set carrier-watch off
> : set handshake none
> : set flow-control xon
> : set terminal bytesize 8
> : set file display serial
> : set file collision overwrite
> : enable delete
> : fast
> : log transactions
> : show version
> : show comm
> : server
> : End ; of K95CUSTOM.INI
>
> Why not use an ANSWER command to have K95 wait for the phone call to
> come in?  Something like:
>
>   while true {
>       answer
>       xif fail {
>           hangup
>           continue
>       }
>       server
>   }
>
> The script looks OK.  I've suggested some changes for simplicity, robustness,
> and error-catching.
>
> I don't see anything that would explain the problem you have described except
> perhaps the possibility that c:/bcar/host exists on your PC, but c:/scar/host
> does not.  That's the most obvious explanation for why the first file goes in
> the wrong place and the second one goes in the right place.
>
> - Frank


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From: bks <bks@ms3.url.com.tw>
Subject: Did I can get detail protocol?
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:40:50 +0800
Organization: GCNet(Reach and Range Inc.)
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Hi

Does anyone know where to get the detail kermit protocol ?
I mean the document must detail descibe packet structure,
 funcion, exchange sequence etc. Not just how to use these
software. I am working on an project & must integreted
this protocol as part of my system.

Thanks.

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: How can I set the date and time
Date: 26 Jul 1999 04:14:24 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7ngnb0$4l7$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <CkKm3.64$Zw6.11853@news2.randori.com>,
Tommy Martin <tmartin@ls.net> wrote:
: 
: On K95 version 1.15 someone must
: <Press a Key to continue>
: after a RUN.
: 
: Is there a switch I can send with the run so my script will continue
: without a body a the keyboard.  Or another method of setting the clock.

When the command is used in a script or macro the prompt is not
issued.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Did I can get detail protocol?
Date: 26 Jul 1999 13:08:47 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7nhmkv$hvf$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <379BD8C2.8386992@ms3.url.com.tw>, bks  <bks@ms3.url.com.tw> wrote:
: Does anyone know where to get the detail kermit protocol ?
: I mean the document must detail descibe packet structure,
:  funcion, exchange sequence etc. Not just how to use these
: software. I am working on an project & must integreted
: this protocol as part of my system.
: 
See:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html

But usually there is no need to write a Kermit protocol implementation
from scratch, since Kermit software is already available for most platforms.

- Frank

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From: vicpylon@hotmail.com (vic)
Subject: Kermit and Linux
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 03:08:17 GMT
Organization: Internet Access Inc. NetA.Com
Message-ID: <379d2221.6532747@news.neta.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hello Again,

I have another question. If I dial into a remote computer, is there a
way for Kermit to execute a series of Linux batch files that are on
the local machine, but not on the remote machine? I am trying to
automate a series of tasks at my office that I must do every day at
the office. Any help or links would be greatly appreciated. 

Vic

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From: drhodes@deakin.edu.au
Subject: Flow control ???
Message-ID: <379d8dad.1654463@news.deakin.edu.au>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:45:19 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I am having a problem between a Linux 2.0.1 server and a 2400 baud
modem. In kermit I am setting the port speed to 2400 and setting the
handshaking to the required xon/xoff (which the dial up server
requires). Also parity is set to none.  

I then dial out using the standard ATDT commands.

The modem connects and echos the CONNECT back to the terminal, but
immediately after this garbage is printed. 

Can any-one suggest something I may be doing wrong?  Do I have to
program the modem to use xon/xoff or is this done when using the set
handshaking on command.

Any suggestions will be helpful

Thanks in advance

David Rhodes

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Kermit and Linux
Date: 27 Jul 1999 13:30:34 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <379d2221.6532747@news.neta.com>, vic <vicpylon@hotmail.com> wrote:
: I have another question. If I dial into a remote computer, is there a
: way for Kermit to execute a series of Linux batch files that are on
: the local machine, but not on the remote machine? I am trying to
: automate a series of tasks at my office that I must do every day at
: the office. Any help or links would be greatly appreciated. 
: 
You mean, you have a connection from A to B, and you want B to execute some
shell scripts that are on A?  The straightforward method would be (assuming
you have used Kermit on A to make the connection to B):

 1. Start Kermit on B, put it in server mode.
 2. Send the shell script files from A to B.

Then give "remote host" commands to Kermit A to tell it to tell the Kermit
server on B to tell B's shell to execute each script.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Flow control ???
Date: 27 Jul 1999 13:37:21 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <379d8dad.1654463@news.deakin.edu.au>,
 <drhodes@deakin.edu.au> wrote:
: I am having a problem between a Linux 2.0.1 server and a 2400 baud
: modem. In kermit I am setting the port speed to 2400 and setting the
: handshaking to the required xon/xoff (which the dial up server
: requires). Also parity is set to none.  
: 
: I then dial out using the standard ATDT commands.
: 
: The modem connects and echos the CONNECT back to the terminal, but
: immediately after this garbage is printed. 
: 
Because you didn't get a 2400 bps connection.  Probably the full message
was CONNECT 1200.  Immediately after printing this message, the modem
changed its interface speed to 1200.

: Can any-one suggest something I may be doing wrong?  Do I have to
: program the modem to use xon/xoff or is this done when using the set
: handshaking on command.
: 
Use C-Kermit's DIAL command instead of sending AT commands to the modem.
The DIAL command handles this situation automatically:

  set modem type hayes-2400  ; Tell Kermit what kind of modem you have
  set line /dev/cua          ; Specify the device
  set speed 2400             ; Specify the speed
  set dial display on        ; Watch the Kermit/Modem dialog
  dial 7654321               ; (replace with actual number)

The DIAL command is discussed in Chapter 5 of "Using C-Kermit".

Find current releases of C-Kermit at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

as well as information about manuals, script samples, etc.  And if, by
chance, you are trying to send a page, please see:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html

- Frank

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From: dold@13.usenet.us.com
Subject: Re: Flow control ???
Date: 27 Jul 1999 14:46:26 GMT
Organization: a2i network
Message-ID: <7nkgo2$rmn$1@samba.rahul.net>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

drhodes@deakin.edu.au wrote:
: I am having a problem between a Linux 2.0.1 server and a 2400 baud
: modem. In kermit I am setting the port speed to 2400 and setting the
: handshaking to the required xon/xoff (which the dial up server
: requires). Also parity is set to none.  

At 2400 baud, most newer modems will do MNP error correction.
If the system that you are dialing into is a "straight" 2400, the two won't
talk, and the protocol negotiation for MNP was poor.

You might need to turn off the MNP feature in your modem explicitly.
An indicator that this is the problem might be to try a 1200 baud
connection, where MNP isn't available.  If it works, then MNP is a likely
problem.  If it doesn't work, it could be that the other end won't work at
1200 anyway.

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: purvence@my-deja.com
Subject: About RFC ?
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:14:47 GMT
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I really want to know about "RFC".
RFCs are the documents of the definition of the protocols and policies
of the Internet,aren't they?
Who define the RFCs?
And I want to know how i can see the RFCs.

Thank you.


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Subject: Re: About RFC ?
Date: 28 Jul 1999 17:29:31 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <7nndpv$5mi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  <purvence@my-deja.com> wrote:
: I really want to know about "RFC".
: RFCs are the documents of the definition of the protocols and policies
: of the Internet,aren't they?
: Who define the RFCs?
: And I want to know how i can see the RFCs.
: 
Visit these sites:

  http://www.ietf.org
  http://www.rfc-editor.org/

- Frank

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From: "B.Won" <wonb@digiflex.ca>
Subject: 'send' doesn't work.
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:01:18 -0600
Message-ID: <37a1dc7e.0@news.cadvision.com>
Organization: CADVision Development Corporation (http://www.cadvision.com/)
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I am trying to transmit a file between 2 alpha VMS environment.  The
connection go thru a terminal server.

>From the host side, to connect I type in the following:
$ kermit
set line tta0
connect
 at
 atdt######
(connects to remote terminal server, logs into remote/client alpha)

at  the remote alpha, I entered the following:
$ mc kermit
server
 (message comes up to switch to host mode to transmit, etc...)
 (I entered the control combination keystrokes to switch to host)

at host kermit, I issue a 'send' command for a text file and nothing
happens...

Does anyone know why? Is there some settings not properly set?
My kermit knowledge is limited.

thanks.




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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: 'send' doesn't work.
Date: 30 Jul 1999 13:29:35 -0400
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7nsndv$ncc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <37a1dc7e.0@news.cadvision.com>, B.Won <wonb@digiflex.ca> wrote:
: I am trying to transmit a file between 2 alpha VMS environment.  The
: connection go thru a terminal server.
: 
: From the host side, to connect I type in the following:
: $ kermit
:
Is it C-Kermit?  Which version?  See:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html

for current version info.

: set line tta0
: connect
:  at
:  atdt######
: (connects to remote terminal server, logs into remote/client alpha)
: 
: at  the remote alpha, I entered the following:
: $ mc kermit
:
Which Kermit program and version is this one?

: server
:  (message comes up to switch to host mode to transmit, etc...)
:  (I entered the control combination keystrokes to switch to host)
: 
: at host kermit, I issue a 'send' command for a text file and nothing
: happens...
: 
So you escaped back and have the originating Kermit's prompt.  Did
you give a "receive" command?

: Does anyone know why? Is there some settings not properly set?
: My kermit knowledge is limited.
: 
See:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html

To find out how to get documentation.

- Frank


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From: "B.Won" <wonb@digiflex.ca>
Subject: Re: 'send' doesn't work.
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:32:58 -0600
Message-ID: <37a7282a.0@news.cadvision.com>
Organization: CADVision Development Corporation (http://www.cadvision.com/)
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Frank da Cruz wrote in message <7nsndv$ncc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <37a1dc7e.0@news.cadvision.com>, B.Won <wonb@digiflex.ca> wrote:
>: I am trying to transmit a file between 2 alpha VMS environment.  The
>: connection go thru a terminal server.
>:
>: From the host side, to connect I type in the following:
>: $ kermit
>:
>Is it C-Kermit?  Which version?  See:
>
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
>
>for current version info.
>


==>Kermit version at both ends are the same, C-kermit 6.0.192

>: set line tta0
>: connect
>:  at
>:  atdt######
>: (connects to remote terminal server, logs into remote/client alpha)
>:
>: at  the remote alpha, I entered the following:
>: $ mc kermit
>:
>Which Kermit program and version is this one?
>
>: server
>:  (message comes up to switch to host mode to transmit, etc...)
>:  (I entered the control combination keystrokes to switch to host)
>:
>: at host kermit, I issue a 'send' command for a text file and nothing
>: happens...
>:
>So you escaped back and have the originating Kermit's prompt.  Did
>you give a "receive" command?


==> after I type in 'send abc.txt' at the originating Kermit, I never go the
prompt back...

>
>: Does anyone know why? Is there some settings not properly set?
>: My kermit knowledge is limited.
>:
>See:
>
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html
>
>To found out how to get documentation.
>
>- Frank
>
>
>



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: 'send' doesn't work.
Date: 3 Aug 1999 17:48:51 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <37a7282a.0@news.cadvision.com>, B.Won <wonb@digiflex.ca> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz wrote in message <7nsndv$ncc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>...
: >In article <37a1dc7e.0@news.cadvision.com>, B.Won <wonb@digiflex.ca> wrote:
: >: I am trying to transmit a file between 2 alpha VMS environment.  The
: >: connection go thru a terminal server.
: >:
: >: From the host side, to connect I type in the following:
: >: $ kermit
: >:
: >Is it C-Kermit?  Which version?  See:
: >
: >  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
: >
: >for current version info.
: 
: ==>Kermit version at both ends are the same, C-kermit 6.0.192
: 
: >: set line tta0
: >: connect
: >:  at
: >:  atdt######
: >: (connects to remote terminal server, logs into remote/client alpha)
: >:
: >: at  the remote alpha, I entered the following:
: >: $ mc kermit
: >:
: >Which Kermit program and version is this one?
: >
: >: server
: >:  (message comes up to switch to host mode to transmit, etc...)
: >:  (I entered the control combination keystrokes to switch to host)
: >:
: >: at host kermit, I issue a 'send' command for a text file and nothing
: >: happens...
: >:
: >So you escaped back and have the originating Kermit's prompt.  Did
: >you give a "receive" command?
:
: ==> after I type in 'send abc.txt' at the originating Kermit, I never go the
: prompt back...
: 
Then that's why nothing happens.  Follow the instructions for how to transfer
files in the manual.  Very briefly, after you have given the SEND command to
the remote Kermit program, type Ctrl-\ (hold down the Ctrl key and press the
backslash key), then the letter C.  Now you have the local Kermit's prompt.
Now type "receive" and then press the Enter key.

: >See:
: >
: >  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html
: >
: >To found out how to get documentation.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: 'send' doesn't work.
Date: 3 Aug 1999 17:59:26 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7o7a23$4vc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <37a7282a.0@news.cadvision.com>, B.Won <wonb@digiflex.ca> wrote:
: : Frank da Cruz wrote in message <7nsndv$ncc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>...
: : >In article <37a1dc7e.0@news.cadvision.com>,B.Won <wonb@digiflex.ca> wrote:
: : >: I am trying to transmit a file between 2 alpha VMS environment.  The
: : >: connection go thru a terminal server.
: : >:
: : >: From the host side, to connect I type in the following:
: : >: $ kermit
: : >:
: : >Is it C-Kermit?  Which version?  See:
: : >
: : >  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
: : >
: : >for current version info.
: : 
: : ==>Kermit version at both ends are the same, C-kermit 6.0.192
: : 
: : >: set line tta0
: : >: connect
: : >:  at
: : >:  atdt######
: : >: (connects to remote terminal server, logs into remote/client alpha)
: : >:
: : >: at  the remote alpha, I entered the following:
: : >: $ mc kermit
: : >:
: : >Which Kermit program and version is this one?
: : >
: : >: server
: : >:  (message comes up to switch to host mode to transmit, etc...)
: : >:  (I entered the control combination keystrokes to switch to host)
: : >:
: : >: at host kermit, I issue a 'send' command for a text file and nothing
: : >: happens...
: : >:
: : >So you escaped back and have the originating Kermit's prompt.  Did
: : >you give a "receive" command?
: :
: : ==> after I type in 'send abc.txt' at the originating Kermit, I never go 
: : the prompt back...
: : 
: Then that's why nothing happens.  Follow the instructions for how to transfer
: files in the manual.  Very briefly, after you have given the SEND command to
: the remote Kermit program, type Ctrl-\ (hold down the Ctrl key and press the
: backslash key), then the letter C.  Now you have the local Kermit's prompt.
: Now type "receive" and then press the Enter key.
: 
Oops, sorry -- I didn't notice that you put the remote in server mode, so
instead of "receive" you should type "get filename", where "filename" is the
name of the file you want to download.

The escaping back part should have been clear since when you make the
connection it says:

  Connecting to (blah blah...)
  The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS)
  Type the escape character followed by C to get back,
  or followed by ? to see other options.

and then when you put the remote in server mode, it says:

  Entering server mode.  If your local Kermit software is menu driven, use
  the menus to send commands to the server.  Otherwise, enter the escape
  sequence to return to your local Kermit prompt and issue commands from
  there.  Use SEND and GET for file transfer.  Use REMOTE HELP for a list of
  other available services.  Use BYE or FINISH to end server mode.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: 'send' doesn't work.
Date: 3 Aug 1999 20:44:33 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <37a7529c.0@news.cadvision.com>, B.Won <wonb@digiflex.ca> wrote:
: ....
: But that's not what I want to do..  I wanted to send a file over to remote.
: Shouldn't I 'escaped back' to my local kermit, and type in 'send
: <filename>'?
: I
: 
We don't seem to be communicating very well.  Please follow the instructions
in the manual, and if you find them unclear or confusing, send email to
kermit-support@columbia.edu.  Similarly if you are actually operating Kermit
according to instructions (which is unclear from your messages so far) but
it is not working as expected.  In your messages, please describe the two
platforms (hardware, os, version), the version of Kermit on each, the kind of
connection that you have, and the commands that you gave to each Kermit.

For further details about submitting a problem report, see:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html

- Frank

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Subject: Re: 'send' doesn't work.
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:41:12 -0600
Message-ID: <37a7529c.0@news.cadvision.com>
Organization: CADVision Development Corporation (http://www.cadvision.com/)
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


Frank da Cruz wrote in message <7o7alu$5df$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <7o7a23$4vc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
>Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>: In article <37a7282a.0@news.cadvision.com>, B.Won <wonb@digiflex.ca>
wrote:
>: : Frank da Cruz wrote in message <7nsndv$ncc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>...
>: : >In article <37a1dc7e.0@news.cadvision.com>,B.Won <wonb@digiflex.ca>
wrote:
>: : >: I am trying to transmit a file between 2 alpha VMS environment.  The
>: : >: connection go thru a terminal server.
>: : >:
>: : >: From the host side, to connect I type in the following:
>: : >: $ kermit
>: : >:
>: : >Is it C-Kermit?  Which version?  See:
>: : >
>: : >  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html
>: : >
>: : >for current version info.
>: :
>: : ==>Kermit version at both ends are the same, C-kermit 6.0.192
>: :
>: : >: set line tta0
>: : >: connect
>: : >:  at
>: : >:  atdt######
>: : >: (connects to remote terminal server, logs into remote/client alpha)
>: : >:
>: : >: at  the remote alpha, I entered the following:
>: : >: $ mc kermit
>: : >:
>: : >Which Kermit program and version is this one?
>: : >
>: : >: server
>: : >:  (message comes up to switch to host mode to transmit, etc...)
>: : >:  (I entered the control combination keystrokes to switch to host)
>: : >:
>: : >: at host kermit, I issue a 'send' command for a text file and nothing
>: : >: happens...
>: : >:
>: : >So you escaped back and have the originating Kermit's prompt.  Did
>: : >you give a "receive" command?
>: :
>: : ==> after I type in 'send abc.txt' at the originating Kermit, I never
go
>: : the prompt back...
>: :
>: Then that's why nothing happens.  Follow the instructions for how to
transfer
>: files in the manual.  Very briefly, after you have given the SEND command
to
>: the remote Kermit program, type Ctrl-\ (hold down the Ctrl key and press
the
>: backslash key), then the letter C.  Now you have the local Kermit's
prompt.
>: Now type "receive" and then press the Enter key.
>:
>Oops, sorry -- I didn't notice that you put the remote in server mode, so
>instead of "receive" you should type "get filename", where "filename" is
the
>name of the file you want to download.
>
>The escaping back part should have been clear since when you make the
>connection it says:
>
>  Connecting to (blah blah...)
>  The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS)
>  Type the escape character followed by C to get back,
>  or followed by ? to see other options.
>
>and then when you put the remote in server mode, it says:
>
>  Entering server mode.  If your local Kermit software is menu driven, use
>  the menus to send commands to the server.  Otherwise, enter the escape
>  sequence to return to your local Kermit prompt and issue commands from
>  there.  Use SEND and GET for file transfer.  Use REMOTE HELP for a list
of
>  other available services.  Use BYE or FINISH to end server mode.
>
>- Frank


But that's not what I want to do..  I wanted to send a file over to remote.
Shouldn't I 'escaped back' to my local kermit, and type in 'send
<filename>'?
I


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From: ami@alt.net (Ami Bar-Yadin)
Subject: Kermit95 and proxy server
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:38:32 GMT
Organization: chaos
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

How do I tell Kermit to telnet via a proxy server?

As it is, sometimes I get through and sometimes I don't, and
sometimes it takes longer to get a login prompt.

Later,
--
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Subject: Re: Kermit95 and proxy server
Date: 4 Aug 1999 14:12:01 GMT
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In article <37a841e3.126425610@news.alt.net>,
Ami Bar-Yadin <ami@alt.net> wrote:
: How do I tell Kermit to telnet via a proxy server?
: 
: As it is, sometimes I get through and sometimes I don't, and
: sometimes it takes longer to get a login prompt.
: 

Kermit has no specific support for any brand of proxy servers.

If you get through sometimes and not others it would leave
me believe that your problem is not a proxy server.  Either
that or the proxy server should be replaced.

More than likely the host is attempting to perform a Reverse
DNS lookup and depending on the IP Address you are using it
cannot find one, and therefore rejects you by hanging up
the connection.



    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Subject: when are variables set?
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I am using K95 to telnet to a Qnx server.
I created a shortcut with the dialer (k95dial).
How can I (in the k95custom.ini file) know what the
name of the *.ksc file was ?

or how can I (in the k95custom.ini file) know what
kind of connection I am using.  It appears that the
variable \v(connection) isn't set until after k95.ini
is finished.

-Glenn Sherman
(reply address contains a SPAM filter)




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From: "Jenifer Nech" <jenifern@thegenius.com>
Subject: ver 7.0 C-Kermit
Date: 04 Aug 1999 08:22:50 PDT
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
Message-ID: <7o9lsa$4du@chronicle.concentric.net>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

after invoking the kermit server with command: kermit -x
I receive a prompt: KERMIT READY TO SERVE...

Do I use Get and Send? Send seemed to work but not Get. I know this is
sketchy but I feel I do not have the correct commands for this version.

I am using hyperterminal, ver downloaded from their site to upgrade the
version that ships with Win98.

I connect to the Sun system and enter all passwords. Communication is ok
except after I invoke the kermit server with kermit -x.

The people at this site, Muniview, are not very helpful and I can't seem to
get the communications techs to talk to me. Any help will be appreciated.



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: ver 7.0 C-Kermit
Date: 4 Aug 1999 15:30:01 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7o9m9p$q75$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7o9lsa$4du@chronicle.concentric.net>,
Jenifer Nech <jenifern@thegenius.com> wrote:
: after invoking the kermit server with command: kermit -x
: I receive a prompt: KERMIT READY TO SERVE...
: 
: Do I use Get and Send? Send seemed to work but not Get. I know this is
: sketchy but I feel I do not have the correct commands for this version.
: 
: I am using hyperterminal, ver downloaded from their site to upgrade the
: version that ships with Win98.
: 
: I connect to the Sun system and enter all passwords. Communication is ok
: except after I invoke the kermit server with kermit -x.
: 
: The people at this site, Muniview, are not very helpful and I can't seem to
: get the communications techs to talk to me. Any help will be appreciated.
: 
If you want to send a file to the server, use SEND.  If you want to get a 
file from the server use GET (and specify the filename).

How to do this in Hyperterminal is another question that, presumably, the
Hyperterminal documentation can help you with.

For detailed information on C-Kermit, we have a manual:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html

Of course we also have communications software for Windows that we support
and can help you with:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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From: ami@alt.net (Ami Bar-Yadin)
Subject: Re: Kermit95 and proxy server
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:33:47 GMT
Organization: chaos
Message-ID: <37ab7948.140607162@news.alt.net>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

On 4 Aug 1999 14:12:01 GMT, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey
Altman) wrote:

>In article <37a841e3.126425610@news.alt.net>,
>Ami Bar-Yadin <ami@alt.net> wrote:
>: How do I tell Kermit to telnet via a proxy server?
>: As it is, sometimes I get through and sometimes I don't, and
>: sometimes it takes longer to get a login prompt.

Thanks for the quick response.

>Kermit has no specific support for any brand of proxy servers.

I see.  I have no experience with proxy servers, but I assume this
answer implies that I need to tell the proxy server to allow the
telnet protocol to pass.

Again, thanks for your help and quick response.  I'll contact the
cable modem support and ask about setting a pass-thru for telnet
protocol.

>If you get through sometimes and not others it would leave
>me believe that your problem is not a proxy server.  Either
>that or the proxy server should be replaced.
>
>More than likely the host is attempting to perform a Reverse
>DNS lookup and depending on the IP Address you are using it
>cannot find one, and therefore rejects you by hanging up
>the connection.


Later,
--
Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@alt.net)

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Subject: Re: when are variables set?
Date: 4 Aug 1999 19:45:09 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <jOYp3.620$cL1.1528@newsfeed.slurp.net>,
Glenn Sherman <gsherman@no_spam.m20.net> wrote:
: I am using K95 to telnet to a Qnx server.
: I created a shortcut with the dialer (k95dial).
: How can I (in the k95custom.ini file) know what the
: name of the *.ksc file was ?
: 
: or how can I (in the k95custom.ini file) know what
: kind of connection I am using.  It appears that the
: variable \v(connection) isn't set until after k95.ini
: is finished.

The order of processing is 

  k95.ini
  k95custom.ini
  dialer generated script

the dialer generated script in turn
  loads the specified keymap script file
  makes the connection
  loads the specified login script file

so if there are things that you want done for a particular connection
before the connection is made, place them in the keymap file.

if you want them done after the connection is made, place them in
the login script file.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: ami@alt.net (Ami Bar-Yadin)
Subject: Re: ver 7.0 C-Kermit
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:17:03 GMT
Organization: chaos
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

On 4 Aug 1999 15:30:01 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da
Cruz) wrote:

>In article <7o9lsa$4du@chronicle.concentric.net>,
>Jenifer Nech <jenifern@thegenius.com> wrote:
>: after invoking the kermit server with command: kermit -x
>: I receive a prompt: KERMIT READY TO SERVE...
>: 
>: Do I use Get and Send? Send seemed to work but not Get. I know this is
>: sketchy but I feel I do not have the correct commands for this version.
>: 
>: I am using hyperterminal, ver downloaded from their site to upgrade the
>: version that ships with Win98.
>: 
>: I connect to the Sun system and enter all passwords. Communication is ok
>: except after I invoke the kermit server with kermit -x.
>: 
>: The people at this site, Muniview, are not very helpful and I can't seem to
>: get the communications techs to talk to me. Any help will be appreciated.
>: 
>If you want to send a file to the server, use SEND.  If you want to get a 
>file from the server use GET (and specify the filename).
>
>How to do this in Hyperterminal is another question that, presumably, the
>Hyperterminal documentation can help you with.
>
>For detailed information on C-Kermit, we have a manual:
>
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html

Note that this is an advertisment for a book, not the manual itself.


>Of course we also have communications software for Windows that we support
>and can help you with:
>
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
>
>- Frank


Later,
--
Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@alt.net)

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Subject: Re: ver 7.0 C-Kermit
Date: 4 Aug 1999 20:06:04 GMT
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In article <37ae918f.146822048@news.alt.net>,
Ami Bar-Yadin <ami@alt.net> wrote:
: On 4 Aug 1999 15:30:01 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
: >...
: >For detailed information on C-Kermit, we have a manual:
: >
: >  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html
: 
: Note that this is an advertisment for a book, not the manual itself.
: 
The book is the manual.  Sales of the book are what pay for us to be here
writing and developing C-Kermit, and for that matter, answering questions
about it, many of which are answered in, yes, the manual.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: when are variables set?
Organization: Granite State Software
Message-ID: <eW0q3.206$yW1.227@newsfeed.slurp.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:59:39 -0400
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <7oa585$9s8$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <jOYp3.620$cL1.1528@newsfeed.slurp.net>,
>Glenn Sherman <gsherman@no_spam.m20.net> wrote:
>: I am using K95 to telnet to a Qnx server.
>: I created a shortcut with the dialer (k95dial).
>: How can I (in the k95custom.ini file) know what the
>: name of the *.ksc file was ?
>:
>: or how can I (in the k95custom.ini file) know what
>: kind of connection I am using.  It appears that the
>: variable \v(connection) isn't set until after k95.ini
>: is finished.
>
>The order of processing is
>
>  k95.ini
>  k95custom.ini
>  dialer generated script
>
>the dialer generated script in turn
>  loads the specified keymap script file
>  makes the connection
>  loads the specified login script file
>
>so if there are things that you want done for a particular connection
>before the connection is made, place them in the keymap file.


I want to be able to make a decision in the k95custom.ini file.
   xif equal \v(SCRIPT_NAME) scriptname {

Is there a variable that contains the name of the dialer generated script?

>if you want them done after the connection is made, place them in
>the login script file.
>
>    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
>                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
>              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
>  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html *
kermit-support@kermit-project.org

Glenn Sherman
(reply address contains SPAM filter)



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Subject: Re: when are variables set?
Date: 5 Aug 1999 05:19:03 GMT
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In article <eW0q3.206$yW1.227@newsfeed.slurp.net>,
Glenn Sherman <gsherman@no_spam.m20.net> wrote:
: I want to be able to make a decision in the k95custom.ini file.
:    xif equal \v(SCRIPT_NAME) scriptname {
: 
: Is there a variable that contains the name of the dialer generated script?

There is no variable that contains the script to be executed in the
future.  A scriptname variable would contain the name of the script
that is currently executing which would be k95custom.ini.

If you know the order of the arguments on the command line 
then you can use the Argument Vector Array to find the script name.
See Using C-Kermit 2nd Edition page 353.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org


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From: "Steve Baus" <steve@baus-systems.com>
Subject: Troubleshooting non standard ports
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:59:27 -0700
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I know there exists a document that talks about troubleshooting non standard
ports and addresses.  I just can not remember what the name of the document
is.  Can anyone tell me?

Steve



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Subject: Re: Troubleshooting non standard ports
Date: 6 Aug 1999 13:38:44 GMT
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In article <rqjuhjglkur58@corp.supernews.com>,
Steve Baus <steve@baus-systems.com> wrote:
: I know there exists a document that talks about troubleshooting non standard
: ports and addresses.  I just can not remember what the name of the document
: is.  Can anyone tell me?
: 
It depends on which Kermit program and computer and operating system you have.
For example, if it is a PC with DOS, the document is KERMIT.BWR, Section 6.

If it is Windows 95/98/NT/2000 or UNIX or VMS, etc, then you have to resolve
such things as address and IRQ conflicts at the OS level, since these
operating systems isolate the hardware from application software.

- Frank

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Kermit.bwr...  thats it,

Thanks

Frank da Cruz wrote in message <7oeoh4$t4q$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <rqjuhjglkur58@corp.supernews.com>,
>Steve Baus <steve@baus-systems.com> wrote:
>: I know there exists a document that talks about troubleshooting non
standard
>: ports and addresses.  I just can not remember what the name of the
document
>: is.  Can anyone tell me?
>:
>It depends on which Kermit program and computer and operating system you
have.
>For example, if it is a PC with DOS, the document is KERMIT.BWR, Section 6.
>
>If it is Windows 95/98/NT/2000 or UNIX or VMS, etc, then you have to
resolve
>such things as address and IRQ conflicts at the OS level, since these
>operating systems isolate the hardware from application software.
>
>- Frank



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From: "Lawry Simm" <lawry.simm@heywood.llama.co.uk>
Subject: kermit -r -a problem
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:21:28 +0100
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Using Kermit 5A(197)Beta for AIX 3.1  I am able to do a kermit -r -a newfile
and recieve a file with a lowercase name, or kermit -r -a NEWFILE to recieve
with an uppercase name.

Using Kermit 6.0.192 for AIX 4.1, both commands return a file with a
lowercase name. Can anyone tell me how to get it out in uppercase in a
single command?

Thanks
Lawry Simm

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: kermit -r -a problem
Date: 10 Aug 1999 13:27:24 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <vunmo7.bts.ln@gate.heywood.co.uk>,
Lawry Simm <lawry.simm@heywood.llama.co.uk> wrote:
: Using Kermit 5A(197)Beta for AIX 3.1  I am able to do a kermit -r -a newfile
: and recieve a file with a lowercase name, or kermit -r -a NEWFILE to recieve
: with an uppercase name.
: 
: Using Kermit 6.0.192 for AIX 4.1, both commands return a file with a
: lowercase name. Can anyone tell me how to get it out in uppercase in a
: single command?
: 
This is a bug in version 6.0, fixed in 7.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

- Frank

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From: "quertyq@hotmail.com" <quertyq@hotmail.com>
Subject: Permission Denied msg with Windows
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:18:43 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Good morning everyone.I am getting a "Permission Denied" message with a
Kermit	xfer using Windows.What am I doing wrong?I have 2 computers that
have Kermit 95 version 1117 installed on them.Computer A  Computer B
Windows 95  PC	Windows 98 PC- dial USR modem	- Kermit  running in server
mode - when connected, do:  on COM1 ( modem port )   get /tmp/file.out
/tmp/file.out- hangup the connectionI am writing a polling program.
Computer B's code is as following:  set carrier off 	set line com1	set
baud 57600  set block 3  set send pack 256  set rec pack 256  set window
10  serverComputer A dials to computer B ( both are using USR modems )
Computer A does a "get"  file xfer  from Computer B to Computer A.Computer A
disconnects with the "hangup" command.The first time is successful.
Computer A dials and connects to computer B.Computer A does a "get" file
xfer  from Computer B to Computer A.Computer A returns a Permission Denied
message and cannot xfer the file.  The value \v(xfermsg) is "Permission
Denied".The file is still on Computer B, and the attributes have not
changed.Computer A has the setting "SET FILE COLLISION OVERWRITE".What
could I be doing to get a "permissions" message?Thanks again for all your
help -- I really appreciate it.Matt


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Permission Denied msg with Windows
Date: 11 Aug 1999 13:44:51 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <7ort79$63o$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
quertyq@hotmail.com  <quertyq@hotmail.com> wrote:
: Good morning everyone.  I am getting a "Permission Denied" message with
: aKermit xfer using Windows. What am I doing wrong?  I have 2 computers
: thathave Kermit 95 version 1117 installed on them.  Computer A Computer
: B Windows 95 PC Windows 98 PC - dial USR modem - Kermit running in
: servermode - when connected, do: on COM1 ( modem port ) get
: /tmp/file.out/tmp/file.out...
:
It's a little hard to decipher your message -- spaces seem to be missing
here and there.  You mean:

  get /tmp/file.out /tmp/file.out

???

: - hangup the connection I am writing a polling
: program. Computer B's code is as following: set carrier off set line com1
: setbaud 57600 set block 3 set send pack 256 set rec pack 256 set window10
: server Computer A dials to computer B ( both are using USR modems ) Computer
: A does a "get" file xfer from Computer B to Computer A. Computer A
: disconnects with the "hangup" command. The first time is successful.
: Computer A dials and connects to computer B. Computer A does a "get"
: filexfer from Computer B to Computer A. Computer A returns a Permission
: Deniedmessage and cannot xfer the file.
:
This probably means that Windows has the file open.  Windows doesn't let
you delete files that are open.

: The value \v(xfermsg) is
: "PermissionDenied". The file is still on Computer B, and the attributes
: have notchanged.  Computer A has the setting "SET FILE COLLISION
: OVERWRITE". Whatcould I be doing to get a "permissions" message?
: 
Find out why the file is open and adjust your procedure so it does not try
to replace open files.

- Frank

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From: "quertyq@hotmail.com" <quertyq@hotmail.com>
Subject: Permission Denied msg with Windows #2
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:38:30 GMT
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Good morning everyone.Sorry about the first post, the news service
reformatted my posting, then denied my canceling the post.Anyway...I am
getting a "Permission Denied" message with a Kermit xfer using Windows.What
am I doing wrong?I have 2 computers that have Kermit 95 version 1117
installed on them.Computer A~~~~~~~~~Windows 95  PC  - dial USR modem  
- when connected, do:  get /tmp/file.out /tmp/file.out- hangup the
connectionComputer B~~~~~~~~~Windows 98 PC- Kermit running in server
mode on COM1 ( modem port )I am writing a polling program.Computer B's
code is as following: set carrier off  set line com1 set baud 57600 set
block 3 set send pack 256 set rec pack 256 set window 10 serverComputer
A dials to computer B ( both are using USR modems )Computer A does a "get" 
file xfer  from Computer B to Computer A.Computer A disconnects with the
"hangup" command.The first time is successful.Computer A dials and
connects to computer B.Computer A does a "get" file xfer  from Computer B to
Computer A.Computer A returns a Permission Denied message and cannot xfer
the file.  The value \v(xfermsg) is "Permission Denied".Now both of these
computers are Windows; not UNIX.Computer A has the setting "SET FILE
COLLISION OVERWRITE".What could I be doing to get a "permissions" message?
Thanks again for all your help.


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From: stephenc@bnr.ca (Stephen)
Subject: [Q]: ats7=nnn
Date: 17 Aug 1999 22:47:52 GMT
Organization: Richardson, TX
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Greetings.

I'm working with C-Kermit 6.0.192 on Linux, and
something is telling Kermit to send ats7=nnn when
I setup Kermit up to dial or for auto-answer.
That's causing a problem with the modem I'm using,
and I'd like to turn that off, but I can't find
where that's coming from. I tried setting my own
modem type from "usrobotics" and "hayes," but
the ats7 string seems to be indepedent of that.
Anybody got any advice?

Stephen.




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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: [Q]: ats7=nnn
Date: 18 Aug 1999 14:03:31 GMT
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In article <7pcoqo$gr7$1@crchh14.us.nortel.com>,
Stephen <stephenc@bnr.ca> wrote:
: I'm working with C-Kermit 6.0.192 on Linux, and
: something is telling Kermit to send ats7=nnn when
: I setup Kermit up to dial or for auto-answer.
: That's causing a problem with the modem I'm using,
: and I'd like to turn that off, but I can't find
: where that's coming from. I tried setting my own
: modem type from "usrobotics" and "hayes," but
: the ats7 string seems to be indepedent of that.
: Anybody got any advice?
: 
What kind of modem do you actually have?  What commands
did you give?  Did you use the ANSWER command?

- Frank

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From: "Michael Hamelin" <hamelin@ici.net>
Subject: beta 6 Problem w/batch queue & USR-->USR Modem issue
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:33:22 -0400
Organization: The Internet Connection
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

1.) submiting a batch job into the vms queue, the displayed file
information..text version of the file transfer doesn't work. get can't open
tt: device
------

Beta 8 gives us...
%ckermit-w-notterm tt: is not a terminal
sorry can't open connecion tt::  error 0
???

Downloaded beta 9 for vms-55 (nonet) and got an error on image activivation
???

we are running batch jobs from fully priv account...not any issue under
version 5. 5 runs excellant as detailed...this failed in beta 195..not sure
if corrected yet. What we are saying here is that the computer spits out
TT: not an output device, where as version 5 works fine and you get to see
the file being transfered (serial transfer display). This is not the case
in BETA 195. NO DISPLAY is possible running from the batch queue. The same
username, script and command procedure run from version 5 and beta 195,
this is the issue we are now facing. Only change is the ckermit
version....Saw a not about this is the release notes, not sure what it
meant. Just giving you pre-post results..

2.) USR to USR still will not make a connect in ckermit. Ckermit is still
getting the data and starting the login process, instead of just making the
connect. We have solved it temp. by using a zoom modem as the dialer and
the usr sportsters 33.6k modems in the field (34 stores). ckermit makes a
connect and then the scripts appear to be fine after that.

(frank's comments)
>I don't understand the complaint.  What, precisely, do you mean by
>"connect"?
>You say "Ckermit is still getting the data and starting the login process,
instead of just making the  connect."  You don't want it to get the data and
start the login process?  I can't help but suspect that it is only doing
what
your script is telling it to do...

(us)
we sent you the scripts before...will send again if needed...we found a bug
in the handshaking of the login scripts for vmslogin. new stuff was added,
but the computer appears not to like it, so we used the logic from version
5 and it corrected the problem on login. The issue is still the same with
USR to USR. If we use the USR in the stores and the ZOOM , HAYES, Anything
but USR, CKERMIT does it thing correctly.

The USR Will connect ..handshake and start the login process on the vax
(waking the port up), the zoom and others only handshake and wait. The
modem settings on the USR are identical to the ZOOM and IDentical to the
remote modem. A Manual dial with USR to USR, will never get a connect
message...you will see data on the screen and the VMSLOGIN is confused and
the call complete never occurs. If you substitute the ZOOM for the USR as
the dialer, all is fine. We DONT CARE ANYMORE....but, Thought you might
want to know..since this is in BETA. We have bought ZOOMS as the dialers to
get away from the problem, BUT IT IS STILL A PROBLEM for others i am sure.

Dialer is ALPHA VMS 6.2-H3, receiver is VAX VMS 5.5-2...fyi...

any thoughts, comments.....



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: beta 6 Problem w/batch queue & USR-->USR Modem issue
Date: 19 Aug 1999 20:55:01 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7phqv5$qa3$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7phlm8$nj0$1@bashir.ici.net>,
Michael Hamelin <hamelin@ici.net> wrote:
> 1.) submiting a batch job into the vms queue, the displayed file
> information..text version of the file transfer doesn't work. get can't open
> tt: device
> Beta 8 gives us...
> %ckermit-w-notterm tt: is not a terminal
> sorry can't open connecion tt::  error 0
> ???
> 
That sounds like you're telling it to transfer a file on its controlling
terminal, which is, in fact, the batch stream.  If you're running Kermit in
the batch, file-transfer commands won't work unless you've successfully
opened some kind of connection (SET LINE, DIAL, TELNET, etc).  This, in
turn, suggests that a SET LINE or DIAL command that's in your script did
not succeed.

> Downloaded beta 9 for vms-55 (nonet) and got an error on image activivation
> ???
> 
The system where I built it was a bit strange.  By the time you get this
message, I will have put a replacement there that you can try.  Meanwhile,
are you sure you transferred it in binary mode?

> we are running batch jobs from fully priv account...not any issue under
> version 5. 5 runs excellant as detailed...
>
Version 5 of C-Kermit?

> this failed in beta 195..not sure
> if corrected yet. What we are saying here is that the computer spits out
> TT: not an output device, where as version 5 works fine and you get to see
> the file being transfered (serial transfer display). This is not the case
> in BETA 195. NO DISPLAY is possible running from the batch queue. The same
> username, script and command procedure run from version 5 and beta 195,
> this is the issue we are now facing. Only change is the ckermit
> version....Saw a not about this is the release notes, not sure what it
> meant. Just giving you pre-post results..
> 
Which note are you speaking of?

> 2.) USR to USR still will not make a connect in ckermit. Ckermit is still
> getting the data and starting the login process, instead of just making the
> connect. We have solved it temp. by using a zoom modem as the dialer and
> the usr sportsters 33.6k modems in the field (34 stores). ckermit makes a
> connect and then the scripts appear to be fine after that.
> 
> (frank's comments)
> >I don't understand the complaint.  What, precisely, do you mean by
> >"connect"?  You say "Ckermit is still getting the data and starting the
> >login process, instead of just making the connect."  You don't want it to
> >get the data and start the login process?  I can't help but suspect that it
> >is only doing what your script is telling it to do...
> 
> (us)
> we sent you the scripts before...will send again if needed...we found a bug
> in the handshaking of the login scripts for vmslogin. new stuff was added,
> but the computer appears not to like it, so we used the logic from version
> 5 and it corrected the problem on login. The issue is still the same with
> USR to USR. If we use the USR in the stores and the ZOOM , HAYES, Anything
> but USR, CKERMIT does it thing correctly.
> 
We get a lot of mail every day so it's best to give us the whole context.
Exactly what did the computer not like, and what did it like?

> The USR Will connect ..handshake and start the login process on the vax
> (waking the port up), the zoom and others only handshake and wait.
>
Maybe this will help.  Before version 6.0 of C-Kermit, DIAL and CONNECT were
done separately.  If you gave a DIAL command, you still had to give a CONNECT
command if you wanted to get an interactive online session.  But this was
too confusing for many people, so version 6.0 was changed so that DIAL
included an automatic CONNECT, but ONLY IF the DIAL command was given at
the prompt (interactively), not from a macro or a command file,

That's the DEFAULT behavior in C-Kermit 6.0 and later.  It can be changed
with:

  SET DIAL CONNECT { ON, OFF, AUTO }

AUTO is the default and works as I just described.  OFF means "never CONNECT"
automatically after successful dialing (the C-Kermit version 5 behavior), ON
means "always CONNECT".

Could it be that you have added a SET DIAL CONNECT of some form into your
script?

> The modem settings on the USR are identical to the ZOOM and IDentical to 
> the remote modem. A Manual dial with USR to USR, will never get a connect
> message...
>
So a USR-to-USR call is never completed, but a USR-to-anything-else call is
completed.  I have several USR modems here, including one connected to a VMS
system, and I dial out from them to other USR modems all the time.  What's
the difference?  As you know, USR modems have a series of DIP switches for
configuration.  Maybe yours need adjustment.  Maybe some kind of weird
profile has been set up and saved in NVRAM.

- Frank

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From: "Ghislain" <Ghislain.Lemaur@skynet.be>
Subject: HELP
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:53:30 +0200
Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hi,

I must transmit data by a serial port to and from a device that uses Kermit.
How can I do that in Visual Basic or Visual C++?
I'd need an ActiveX control or a piece of code, I don't know.
Thanks in advance,

Ghislain.



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From: mlevin@login3.fas.harvard.edu (Michael Levin)
Subject: how to send directory trees?
Date: 22 Aug 1999 12:05:13 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts
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Hello All -

   I have kermit version 6 running on 2 unix systems. I understand that it
has the ability to recursively send whole directory trees. How do I do
this? The send and msend commands don't seem to - when I say "send
directory1" it says "?File not readable - directory1". Also, I've read
that it has a "re-send" feature that allows you to finish sending files if
the modem connection is broken. Will this work on whole directory trees
also? Thanks in advance. If possible, please email me at
mlevin@fas.harvard.edu with any info on all this.

Mike Levin



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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: how to send directory trees?
Date: 22 Aug 1999 14:06:02 GMT
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In article <7pop1p$tlk$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>,
Michael Levin <mlevin@login3.fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
: 
: Hello All -
: 
:    I have kermit version 6 running on 2 unix systems. I understand that it
: has the ability to recursively send whole directory trees. How do I do
: this? The send and msend commands don't seem to - when I say "send
: directory1" it says "?File not readable - directory1". Also, I've read
: that it has a "re-send" feature that allows you to finish sending files if
: the modem connection is broken. Will this work on whole directory trees
: also? Thanks in advance. If possible, please email me at
: mlevin@fas.harvard.edu with any info on all this.
: 
: Mike Levin
: 
: 


Recursive directory transfers are supported beginning in C-Kermit 7.0.
See http://www.kermit-project.org/ck70.html

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: "kiran.k" <kirank@giasbma.vsnl.net.in>
Subject: make errors on RH6.0
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:05:09 +0500
Organization: VSNL
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

hi

on compiling c-kermit 7.0.195 Beta.09 on RH 6.0 this is the result----

| [slick@localhost ~] $ make linux
	. 
	. 
	.  
kuusx.c:30: term.h: No such file or directory 
ckuusx.c:3573: ncurses.h: No such file or directory 
make[2]: *** [ckuusx.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/slick' 
make[1]: *** [linuxa] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/slick' 
make: *** [linux] Error 2
--------------------------------------------- 
line 30 in ckuusx.c
reads---> #include <term.h> its the same for ncurses.h the same errors are
reported for "make linuxc/linuxnc/linuxa/linuxso" no files such as
ncurses.h or term.h exists on my system the only similar files are
ncurses.ph and term.ph

thanx -bye :-) 


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: make errors on RH6.0
Date: 23 Aug 1999 13:49:47 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.990823190228.21414A-100000@giasbma>,
kiran.k <kirank@giasbma.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
: on compiling c-kermit 7.0.195 Beta.09 on RH 6.0 this is the result----
: 
: | [slick@localhost ~] $ make linux
: 	. 
: 	. 
: 	.  
: kuusx.c:30: term.h: No such file or directory 
: ckuusx.c:3573: ncurses.h: No such file or directory 
: make[2]: *** [ckuusx.o] Error 1
: make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/slick' 
: make[1]: *** [linuxa] Error 2
: make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/slick' 
: make: *** [linux] Error 2
: --------------------------------------------- 
: line 30 in ckuusx.c
: reads---> #include <term.h> its the same for ncurses.h the same errors 
: are reported for "make linuxc/linuxnc/linuxa/linuxso" no files such as
: ncurses.h or term.h exists on my system the only similar files are
: ncurses.ph and term.ph
: 
I think you must have an unusual or modified Red Hat 6.0 setup.  I do believe
that the Linux File System Standard has, for the past several years, REQUIRED
the presence of ncurses.h.

Please read the ckuins.txt (C-Kermit for UNIX Installation text) file.
Search for "curses".  Find entries like:

 . For the curses-based fullscreen file-ransfer display, the curses or
   ncurses header file(s) and library, and probably also the termcap and/or
   termlib library.  Note that the names and locations of these files and
   libraries are likely to change capriciously with every new release of your
   UNIX product.  If you discover that the C-Kermit build procedure fails
   because your curses and/or termxxx headers or libraries are not named or
   located as expected, please let us know.  In the meantime, work around by
   installing symlinks.

and:

"Can't find shared library libc.so.2.1"
"Can't find shared library libncurses.so.3.0", etc...
  You are trying to run a binary that was built on a system that has
  different library versions that the local system, and the local system's
  loader is picky about library version numbers.  Rebuild from source
  locally.

and:

This problem only gets worse over time.  In the Linux and *BSD world, we
also have totally different libraries (each with their own names and
numbering systems) that cover the same territory; for example, curses vs
ncurses, libc versus glibc.  Combinations proliferate and any given PC might
have any combination.  For this reason it is becoming increasingly difficult
to produce a "Linux binary" for a given architecture (e.g. PC or Alpha).
There has to be a separate binary for (at least) every combination of curses
vs ncurses and libc vs glibc.

(end quotes)

I think you must have installed some other package that renamed your
ncurses.h and term.h files.  If you don't have these files available under
their normal names, you won't be able to build any software that uses
(n)curses, either.

I wouldn't even dare to guess how this might have happened, so I'm copying
the Linux newsgroup in case anybody there can offer an explanation.

Meanwhile, are you sure that "make linuxnc" didn't work?  That's the target
that omits everything to do with curses (linuxnc = Linux No Curses).

- Frank

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From: "James S. Johnson" <jjohnson@radium.ncsc.mil>
Subject: Downloading gz files using C-Kermit, Linux, & Lynx
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:20:18 -0400
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All,

I have a perplexing problem using C-Kermit to download files.

The local public library offers a Lynx connection to the internet. I
have three communications programs that I use to connect -
Hyperterm/Win95, C-Kermit/Linux(Slackware4.0), and MS-Kermit/Win95's
DOS. Both C-Kermit and MS-Kermit come from www.columbia.edu. I log in as
guest, and I cannot change settings on the library's Lynx setup. I am
able to examine downloaded files with a binary editor.

I can download *.exe files without a problem. However, I cannot
correctly download *.gz files. Under Hyperterm and MS-Kermit, the files
have a 0x0D (hexadecimal for 13) byte inserted before every 0x0A byte.
Under C-Kermit, the files have all the 0x0D's stripped. Except for the
fact that I can download *.exe files, this appears to be a problem with
the text/binary setting. I have tried everything I can think of to make
certain the setting is on binary, but without solving the problem.

One odd thing I have noticed - using C-Kermit I can turn the automatic
receive switch off, so I have to explicitly go to Kermit and start the
receive part of the transfer. When I do so, I see a banner that tells me
the transfer is in binary mode, but after about 10 packets are received
it switches to text mode. This is bewildering. It tells me that I am
indeed correctly putting Kermit into binary mode, but that (1) Lynx is
switching me back to text mode without my knowledge, (2) my C-Kermit has
an automatic switch set to change me back to text mode if it sees a
particular byte sequence in the incoming data, which is coincidentally
in the *.gz files I have attempted to download, or (3) the banner
doesn't actually reflect the setting of C-Kermit, but instead is just
notifying me that the file appears to be a text file. Just to make sure
(2) isn't the culprit, I've turned off all the automatic functionality I
can find, with no change in the final results - the received files under
C-Kermit still have the 0x0D's stripped. Also, HyperTerm appears to be
in text mode, too, even though I use the receive command, which the
HyperTerm documentation says is a binary transfer. So I don't believe
that C-Kermit is switching automatically, and I do believe that it is
set to binary mode when the transfer begins.

Frank DaCruz' _Using C-Kermit_ has a single (as far as I can find)
reference to Lynx. It is on pg. 536, I think, around the middle of the
page, and it refers to a problem running C-Kermit under VMS when
communicating with Lynx. Unfortunately I don't know what OS the
library's Lynx runs under. Does Lynx and C-Kermit have a known problem
when it comes to downloading *.gz files, or is there something else that
I should try to get the downloads to work?

James Johnson

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Downloading gz files using C-Kermit, Linux, & Lynx
Date: 23 Aug 1999 16:04:15 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <37C166B2.3F55@radium.ncsc.mil>,
James S. Johnson <jjohnson@radium.ncsc.mil> wrote:
: I have a perplexing problem using C-Kermit to download files.
: 
: The local public library offers a Lynx connection to the internet. I
: have three communications programs that I use to connect -
: Hyperterm/Win95, C-Kermit/Linux(Slackware4.0), and MS-Kermit/Win95's
: DOS. Both C-Kermit and MS-Kermit come from www.columbia.edu. I log in as
: guest, and I cannot change settings on the library's Lynx setup. I am
: able to examine downloaded files with a binary editor.
: 
: I can download *.exe files without a problem. However, I cannot
: correctly download *.gz files. Under Hyperterm and MS-Kermit, the files
: have a 0x0D (hexadecimal for 13) byte inserted before every 0x0A byte.
: Under C-Kermit, the files have all the 0x0D's stripped.
:
This indicates that C-Kermit is in text mode.

: Except for the
: fact that I can download *.exe files, this appears to be a problem with
: the text/binary setting. I have tried everything I can think of to make
: certain the setting is on binary, but without solving the problem.
: 
It won't do any good to put C-Kermit in binary mode if Lynx is sending
the file in text mode -- by the time C-Kermit gets it, it is already
corrupt.

: One odd thing I have noticed - using C-Kermit I can turn the automatic
: receive switch off, so I have to explicitly go to Kermit and start the
: receive part of the transfer. When I do so, I see a banner that tells me
: the transfer is in binary mode, but after about 10 packets are received
: it switches to text mode. This is bewildering.
:
This means that the Kermit program on the Lynx end has sent the file in
text mode and has announced that it is text in the file attribute packet,
which comes after several other preliminary packets.

: It tells me that I am
: indeed correctly putting Kermit into binary mode, but that (1) Lynx is
: switching me back to text mode without my knowledge...
:
Yes.

: (2) my C-Kermit has
: an automatic switch set to change me back to text mode if it sees a
: particular byte sequence in the incoming data, which is coincidentally
: in the *.gz files I have attempted to download...
:
No, C-Kermit doesn't do anything like that.  When receiving files, it
follows the file type announced by the sender.  The sender always governs
the transfer mode.

, or (3) the banner
: doesn't actually reflect the setting of C-Kermit, but instead is just
: notifying me that the file appears to be a text file.
:
No, the banner tells you the actual transfer mode.

: Just to make sure
: (2) isn't the culprit, I've turned off all the automatic functionality I
: can find, with no change in the final results - the received files under
: C-Kermit still have the 0x0D's stripped. Also, HyperTerm appears to be
: in text mode, too, even though I use the receive command, which the
: HyperTerm documentation says is a binary transfer. So I don't believe
: that C-Kermit is switching automatically, and I do believe that it is
: set to binary mode when the transfer begins.
: 
I don't think HyperTerm actually makes any distinction between text and
binary mode.  Old versions of MS-DOS Kermit didn't either (pre-3.0).

: Frank DaCruz' _Using C-Kermit_ has a single (as far as I can find)
: reference to Lynx. It is on pg. 536, I think, around the middle of the
: page, and it refers to a problem running C-Kermit under VMS when
: communicating with Lynx. Unfortunately I don't know what OS the
: library's Lynx runs under. Does Lynx and C-Kermit have a known problem
: when it comes to downloading *.gz files, or is there something else that
: I should try to get the downloads to work?
: 
I don't know a lot about Lynx, but I understand that its file-transfer 
options are configured at startup.  Its startup file contains lines like:

  DOWNLOADER:Kermit binary download:/opt/bin/kermit -i -V -s %s -a %s:TRUE
  DOWNLOADER:Kermit text download:/opt/bin/kermit -s %s -a %s:TRUE
  UPLOADER:Kermit binary upload:/opt/bin/kermit -i -r -a %s:TRUE
  UPLOADER:Kermit text upload:/opt/bin/kermit -r -a %s:TRUE
  UPLOADER:Kermit text get:/opt/bin/kermit -g %s:TRUE
  UPLOADER:Kermit binary get:/opt/bin/kermit -ig %s:TRUE

But this doesn't reveal anything about how it tells the difference between a
text file and a binary file.  I suspect that somewhere else in its
configuration, there is a list of binary filetypes (like ".exe") and text
filetypes (like ".txt").  Either (a) ".gz" is erroneously listed as text,
or (more likely) (b) ".gz" is not listed and the default for unlisted types
is text.

- Frank

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From: Jonathan Graham Harston <jgh@libdems.force9.co.uk>
Organization: Sheffield Liberal Democrats
Subject: XYZModem support in MSKermit 3.14
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:36:45 +0000
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Reading the blurb gave me the impression that MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14
supported X/Y/ZMODEM file transfer.

So, I downloaded a copy to play with to see if it would do what I need
(I'm developing some serial-based communications systems).

However, I couldn't for the life of me find out how to get it to do
an X/Y/ZModem file transfer.

The blurb also says that Kermit95 supports XYZ, but that's not
available for preview downloading; and I'm reluctant to send off money
for something if I don't actually know what it does.  I've already got
a cupboard full of useless software that I didn't need to have bought.

Can somebody give a definitive answer.  Does MS-Kermit 3.xx support
XYZ?  How do I get it to do it?

Thanks.
-- 
Cllr Jonathan Harston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk>
http://www.libdems.force9.co.uk/usr/jgh/
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Councillor for Walkley Ward, Sheffield City Council

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Subject: Re: XYZModem support in MSKermit 3.14
Date: 23 Aug 1999 17:45:54 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <37C186AD.AF342B71@libdems.force9.co.uk>,
Jonathan Graham Harston  <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: Reading the blurb gave me the impression that MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14
: supported X/Y/ZMODEM file transfer.
: 
What blurb?

: So, I downloaded a copy to play with to see if it would do what I need
: (I'm developing some serial-based communications systems).
: 
: However, I couldn't for the life of me find out how to get it to do
: an X/Y/ZModem file transfer.
: 
: The blurb also says that Kermit95 supports XYZ, but that's not
: available for preview downloading; and I'm reluctant to send off money
: for something if I don't actually know what it does.  I've already got
: a cupboard full of useless software that I didn't need to have bought.
: 
When the next version is ready, there will be a downloadable trial version.

: Can somebody give a definitive answer.  Does MS-Kermit 3.xx support
: XYZ?
: 
No.

: How do I get it to do it?
:
There might be some way you can get an external XYZMODEM protocol
implementation like DSZ to use the connection that MS-DOS Kermit has made,
but you're on your own for that (unless any readers who have experience with
it can offer instructions).

- Frank

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Subject: Re: XYZModem support in MSKermit 3.14
Date: 23 Aug 1999 17:46:25 GMT
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In article <37C186AD.AF342B71@libdems.force9.co.uk>,
Jonathan Graham Harston  <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: Reading the blurb gave me the impression that MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14
: supported X/Y/ZMODEM file transfer.
: 
: So, I downloaded a copy to play with to see if it would do what I need
: (I'm developing some serial-based communications systems).
: 
: However, I couldn't for the life of me find out how to get it to do
: an X/Y/ZModem file transfer.
: 
: The blurb also says that Kermit95 supports XYZ, but that's not
: available for preview downloading; and I'm reluctant to send off money
: for something if I don't actually know what it does.  I've already got
: a cupboard full of useless software that I didn't need to have bought.
: 
: Can somebody give a definitive answer.  Does MS-Kermit 3.xx support
: XYZ?  How do I get it to do it?
: 

MS-DOS Kermit does not support XYZmodem transfers.  For XYZmodem transfers
in MS-DOS Kermit you need to use an external implementation of those
protocols.

Kermit 95 does support XYZmodem transfers.  If you purchase Kermit 95
and it does not meet your needs return it for a refund.  If you are 
considering a bulk license then contact us at kermit-orders@columbia.edu
for a demo.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: Downloading gz files using C-Kermit, Linux, & Lynx
Date: 23 Aug 1999 17:44:05 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <7prrdv$asu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <37C166B2.3F55@radium.ncsc.mil>,
: James S. Johnson <jjohnson@radium.ncsc.mil> wrote:
: : I have a perplexing problem using C-Kermit to download files.
: : 
: : The local public library offers a Lynx connection to the internet. I
: : have three communications programs that I use to connect -
: : Hyperterm/Win95, C-Kermit/Linux(Slackware4.0), and MS-Kermit/Win95's
: : DOS. Both C-Kermit and MS-Kermit come from www.columbia.edu. I log in as
: : guest, and I cannot change settings on the library's Lynx setup. I am
: : able to examine downloaded files with a binary editor.
: : 
: : I can download *.exe files without a problem. However, I cannot
: : correctly download *.gz files. Under Hyperterm and MS-Kermit, the files
: : have a 0x0D (hexadecimal for 13) byte inserted before every 0x0A byte.
: : Under C-Kermit, the files have all the 0x0D's stripped.
: :
: This indicates that C-Kermit is in text mode.
: 
: : Except for the
: : fact that I can download *.exe files, this appears to be a problem with
: : the text/binary setting. I have tried everything I can think of to make
: : certain the setting is on binary, but without solving the problem.

The problem is in either the Lynx configuration or the HTML tagging 
for the download.  Lynx thinks that the file is a text file and 
therefore starts Kermit in TEXT mode.  It knows that .exe files are binary
and therefore starts Kermit in BINARY mode.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Subject: Re: XYZModem support in MSKermit 3.14
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Date: 23 Aug 99 13:31:02 MDT
Organization: Utah State University
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <37C186AD.AF342B71@libdems.force9.co.uk>, Jonathan Graham Harston <jgh@libdems.force9.co.uk> writes:
> Reading the blurb gave me the impression that MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14
> supported X/Y/ZMODEM file transfer.
> 
> So, I downloaded a copy to play with to see if it would do what I need
> (I'm developing some serial-based communications systems).
> 
> However, I couldn't for the life of me find out how to get it to do
> an X/Y/ZModem file transfer.

	The authorative answer is MSK does not support *modem file
transfers.
	Joe D. (the author)

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From: Jonathan Graham Harston <jgh@libdems.force9.co.uk>
Organization: Sheffield Liberal Democrats
Subject: Re: XYZModem support in MSKermit 3.14
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:46:00 +0000
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hmmm.  That's interesting.  The reply is dated 45 minutes before I
sent the query.  Time to bash my head on the system clock again...

Anyway...

Frank da Cruz wrote:
> Jonathan Graham Harston  <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> : Reading the blurb gave me the impression that MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14
> : supported X/Y/ZMODEM file transfer.
> What blurb?

I think here's what happened, to cut a long story
( http://www.libdems.force9.co.uk/usr/jgh/docs/Comp/Comms/FindXYZ )
short, I was tired, took some short cuts, forgot what I was doing.

Anyway,
Until K95 is available, which looks like it might be what I need, does
anybody know of a decent or semi-decent serial terminal program for
Windows 3/95/98 that supports bulk batch file transfer with, at a
minimum, X and YModem?  (ZModem optional).

Thanks.

[If I could rewrite what's at the other end, I'd put a Kermit server
there, but unfortunately, at the moment, I can't.]

-- 
Cllr Jonathan Harston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk>
http://www.libdems.force9.co.uk/usr/jgh/
Office IT Administrator; IT Working Group
Councillor for Walkley Ward, Sheffield City Council
Join me at the wall, and we'll bash our head against it.

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: XYZModem support in MSKermit 3.14
Date: 24 Aug 1999 12:47:47 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <37C285F8.AEDE8104@libdems.force9.co.uk>,
Jonathan Graham Harston  <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:

: Anyway,
: Until K95 is available, which looks like it might be what I need, does
: anybody know of a decent or semi-decent serial terminal program for
: Windows 3/95/98 that supports bulk batch file transfer with, at a
: minimum, X and YModem?  (ZModem optional).
: 

Kermit 95 is available with XYZmodem support for Windows 9x/NT and
OS/2.  What is not available is a "publicly available" downloadable
demo.  We will refund your money if you are not satisfied and will
provide demos (complete with printed manuals) to potential bulk
licensees.

Kermit 95 is not available for Windows 3.x.


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: Jonathan Graham Harston <jgh@libdems.force9.co.uk>
Organization: Sheffield Liberal Democrats
Subject: Re: XYZModem support in MSKermit 3.14
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:59:56 +0000
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Jeffrey Altman wrote:
> demo.  We will refund your money if you are not satisfied and will

Does that include the UK distributers, Software Paradise?
http://www.softwareparadise.co.uk

I think I'm sufficiently confident to dig out my cheque-book, it
should be ukp70 well spent.

-- 
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http://www.libdems.force9.co.uk/usr/jgh/
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Subject: Re: XYZModem support in MSKermit 3.14
Date: 24 Aug 1999 13:16:40 GMT
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In article <37C2974C.82E07D54@libdems.force9.co.uk>,
Jonathan Graham Harston  <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: Jeffrey Altman wrote:
: > demo.  We will refund your money if you are not satisfied and will
: 
: Does that include the UK distributers, Software Paradise?
: http://www.softwareparadise.co.uk
: 

I can't speak for the policies of individual distributors.  I can
only speak for orders that we fulfill.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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From: "kiran.k" <kirank@giasbma.vsnl.net.in>
Subject: Re: make errors on RH6.0
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:54:42 +0500
Organization: VSNL
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990824205405.17027B-100000@giasbma>
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On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, kiran.k wrote:

> on compiling c-kermit 7.0.195 Beta.09 on RH 6.0 this is the result----
> 
> 	.  
> kuusx.c:30: term.h: No such file or directory 
> ckuusx.c:3573: ncurses.h: No such file or directory 
> make[2]: *** [ckuusx.o] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/slick' 

hi frank, thanx for the reply.

You were right when you said that i had an incomplete distribution.
after obtaining and installing the ncurses-devel- package,it compiled with
no problems.

I was thinking on the lines that since ncurses is used in
dynamic lib. form,(which i did have),i did not understand why ncurses.h
was required.

also, "make linuxnc" was failing because the file <term.h> was not found
by "ckuusx.c".
 
thanx again.
bye:-)


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Pathworks - Kermit Problem
Date: 25 Aug 1999 13:31:26 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <19990824190826.15484.00001803@ngol07.aol.com>,
FrankK1414 <frankk1414@aol.com> wrote:
: I'm not sure that this the proper place for this but maybe somebody can
: set me straight. I was asked by my client to upgrade PATHworks on some
: Windows 95 PCs and to do some new installations on some other W95
: PCs. Part of my guidance was NOT to use DECnet. For the record I was
: installing/upgrading to V6.0.003. The existing version was V6.0.001.
: 
: The problem occurs when users invoke Kermit to transfer files. The PC
: immediately pops up an error window indicating, "RFA_API.DLL cannot be
: loaded".  The Client Message manual suggests checking the path --
: presumably the DOS Path -- and the existence of the file. These both check
: out OK. The path includes the PW directory and the file exists in that
: directory. Incidentally this occurs only on the new installations and not
: on the upgrades. I have no information on how the original installations
: were done. Also the terminal connections (via LAT) seem to work fine. I am
: at a complete loss. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
: 
With more information.  What Kermit program are you using?  Kermit 95?
Which version?  Most K95 users go straight to kermit-support@columbia.edu
for help -- you didn't know about it?

Anyway, my first suggestion would be to look at all the directories in your
PATH (and current directory) and see which ones have RFA_API.DLL in them.
Every time you install software on Windows, DLLs tend to pile up all over
the place.  If that doesn't help, get back to the Kermit support address.

Well, it probably won't since you say it only happens on new installations.
So please get back to us with details about your software.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: Pathworks - Kermit Problem
Date: 25 Aug 1999 15:16:29 GMT
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In article <7q0r7e$aqc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <19990824190826.15484.00001803@ngol07.aol.com>,
: FrankK1414 <frankk1414@aol.com> wrote:
: : I'm not sure that this the proper place for this but maybe somebody can
: : set me straight. I was asked by my client to upgrade PATHworks on some
: : Windows 95 PCs and to do some new installations on some other W95
: : PCs. Part of my guidance was NOT to use DECnet. For the record I was
: : installing/upgrading to V6.0.003. The existing version was V6.0.001.
: : 

Kermit 95 requires DEC Pathworks-32 Version 7.0 or higher.


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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From: yisroel <yisroel@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: C-Kermit hangs.
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:42:32 -0400
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I'm running the newest beta and older version of C-Kermit for Red Hat
Linux 6.0 and here
is the problem I have:

I'm doing a system call from a Perl script to run a kermit script. At
some point of Kermit script execution kermit process or sz call would
hang.
As soon as I try to strace my kermit process it would come alive.

Could someone please help me with it?


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Subject: Re: C-Kermit hangs.
Date: 26 Aug 1999 21:59:25 GMT
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In article <37C5B4C8.49147424@ix.netcom.com>,
yisroel  <yisroel@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: I'm running the newest beta and older version of C-Kermit for Red Hat
: Linux 6.0 and here is the problem I have:
: 
: I'm doing a system call from a Perl script to run a kermit script. At
: some point of Kermit script execution kermit process or sz call would
: hang.  As soon as I try to strace my kermit process it would come alive.
: 
The best technique is to decompose your procedure into its parts to
isolate the part that is giving you trouble.  Begin by removing Perl
and your Kermit script from the picture.

Can you make a connection with C-Kermit by hand and then transfer files 
over it with sz?  If it doesn't work by hand, it won't work in your
script.  Note that using sz as an external protocol over a connection
you have made with Kermit will work only if you have a version of sz
that uses stdio for file transfer.  Versions of sz produced since
about 1988 do NOT use stdio for this, and therefore C-Kermit can not
redirect them over the communications connection.  For further info,
see item 38 of the Kermit FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html

and/or read Chapter 14 of "Using C-Kermit" about external protocols.

- Frank

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From: "Michael Hamelin" <hamelin@ici.net>
Subject: Problem running Beta 6 on VMS55x
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:24:07 -0400
Organization: The Internet Connection
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I am getting an error from VMS when the image is run on VMS 5.5-2 machine.
Shareable image error on activation. Beta 4 runs..beta 6 doesn't...any
thoughts ?



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From: "Michael Hamelin" <hamelin@ici.net>
Subject: VMS batch not showing file transfer info ?? - BETA 6
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:26:39 -0400
Organization: The Internet Connection
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Ran beta 4...still no batch information being displayed...get TT error
message and no output.

version 5 - 188 was fine...scripts haven't changed, nor the account it runs
from. This is a problem with Version 7 - beta 4 & 6...is this fixed yet ?



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Problem running Beta 6 on VMS55x
Date: 31 Aug 1999 19:43:38 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <7qh62f$j76$1@bashir.ici.net>,
Michael Hamelin <hamelin@ici.net> wrote:
: I am getting an error from VMS when the image is run on VMS 5.5-2 machine.
: Shareable image error on activation. Beta 4 runs..beta 6 doesn't...any
: thoughts ?
: 
We're up to Beta 9 now.  Please pick up the current VMS 5.5 image and see if
it's OK:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

- Frank

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From: "Michael Hamelin" <hamelin@ici.net>
Subject: USR to USR fixed ?
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:31:26 -0400
Organization: The Internet Connection
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

We have tried using a USR Sportster 33.6k modem in the field and the same
modem as the sender. The USR connect on VMS ahead of schedule and the call
NEVER connects. The CKERMIT.INI never sees the connection. If you substitute
the USR sender with a ZOOM 56k fax modem and all went fine. Not sure why,
but no changes to software, other than telling the dialer it is a USR vs.
zoom, one works, one doesn't.......any clue ??? we are using this and works
for us, but usr to usr should work....



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: USR to USR fixed ?
Date: 1 Sep 1999 16:45:13 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7qh6g5$jjj$1@bashir.ici.net>,
Michael Hamelin <hamelin@ici.net> wrote:
: We have tried using a USR Sportster 33.6k modem in the field and the same
: modem as the sender. The USR connect on VMS ahead of schedule and the call
: NEVER connects. The CKERMIT.INI never sees the connection. If you substitute
: the USR sender with a ZOOM 56k fax modem and all went fine. Not sure why,
: but no changes to software, other than telling the dialer it is a USR vs.
: zoom, one works, one doesn't.......any clue ??? we are using this and works
: for us, but usr to usr should work....
: 
We have had this report sitting in our queue for some time (and have
responded directly to Michael about it).  We have a similar setup here
(VMS system with USR Courier on serial port) and can dial out to a number
which is answered by another USR modem (in this case, one of their
rackmounts), with no trouble whatsoever.

All I can suggest is to look at the detailed configurations (NVRAM, DIP
switches, and all) in the USR modems on each end and fool with it until works.

You should be using (and I know you are) VMS C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.05 or later for
dialing out, since earlier versions did not know they had to set &S0 in the
modem (a peculiarity of VMS).  And of course the dialout line must be
configured /MODEM /PERM.  See the CKVINS.TXT file for details (lots of them).

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: VMS batch not showing file transfer info ?? - BETA 6
Date: 1 Sep 1999 16:37:31 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7qh677$jah$1@bashir.ici.net>,
Michael Hamelin <hamelin@ici.net> wrote:
: Ran beta 4...still no batch information being displayed...get TT error
: message and no output.
: 
: version 5 - 188 was fine...scripts haven't changed, nor the account it runs
: from. This is a problem with Version 7 - beta 4 & 6...is this fixed yet ?
: 
I don't know what's broken.  If I create the following batch job:

  $ IF F$MODE() .EQS. "BATCH" THEN SET NOVERIFY
  $ write sys$output "Hello from Batch job"
  $ kermit
  def passwd xxxxxxxxxxx
  def userid fdc
  set prompt {}
  echo Hello from \v(program)
  asg prompt {\13\10$ }
  set exit warning off
  set login userid {}
  set input timeout quit
  set input echo on
  set host some.host.name.com
  input 20 login:
  lineout \m(userid)
  input 5 Password:
  lineout \m(passwd)
  input 30 \m(prompt)
  lineout cd tmp
  input 5 \m(prompt)
  lineout kermit -r
  input 5 READY TO RECEIVE...
  send foo.bar
  pause 1
  lineout exit
  pause 1
  exit
  $ write sys$output "Batch job finished"

and SUBMIT it, using C-Kermit 7.0.196 Beta.09 on VMS, it runs exactly as
expected -- that is, it logs into the remote computer and sends it a file,
and creates a batch log file containing a transcript of the session.

(Note that I don't recommend putting passwords in batch files, but that's
another matter.)

- Frank

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From: "Dale A. Dellutri" <ddellutr@enteract.com>
Subject: Re: VMS batch not showing file transfer info ?? - BETA 6
Date: 1 Sep 1999 20:49:28 GMT
Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:26:39 -0400, Michael Hamelin <hamelin@ici.net> wrote:
> Ran beta 4...still no batch information being displayed...get TT error
> message and no output.
> version 5 - 188 was fine...scripts haven't changed, nor the account it runs
> from. This is a problem with Version 7 - beta 4 & 6...is this fixed yet ?

Please note that the certain features of C-Kermit changed dramatically
from version 5-188 to version 7 beta 4, especially in the area of
  SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF or ON
You don't show your scripts, so I don't know what the trouble is.
If they depend on the old behavior of CARRIER-WATCH, they won't work
with any version of Kermit newer than 5A(190).
See the new manual (Using C-Kermit Communication Software, 2nd
edition).

-- 
Dale Dellutri -- ddellutr@enteract.com

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From: steward@granbury.com (Daniel Sigsworth)
Subject: Re: Can I get Kermit 95 to choose which DUN connection to use?
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 04:18:09 GMT
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where Can i get kermit for MS-DOS??
thankyou and Godbless,
Daniel
steward@granbury.com

In article <7kp8kl$t6g@netaxs.com>, stan@nextaxs.com says...
>
>    I am a very happy user of Kermit 95.  I would like to know if 
there is a
>way to get K95 to choose which
>Windows 95 Dial Up Networking connection to use?  I have three clients 
that
>I connect to via DUN.  I first have
>to start up the DUN connection, then fire up the correct K95 seesion 
to
>telnet into the remote machine.  Is there
>any way to tell K95 that when I fire up session A, use DUN connection 
A?
>
>    Thanks for any help,
>
>    Stan Barndt
>    HSB Consulting
>
>


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: Can I get Kermit 95 to choose which DUN connection to use?
Date: 2 Sep 1999 04:24:30 GMT
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In article <rsruk180j7136@corp.supernews.com>,
Daniel Sigsworth <steward@granbury.com> wrote:
: where Can i get kermit for MS-DOS??
: thankyou and Godbless,
: Daniel
: steward@granbury.com
: 
: In article <7kp8kl$t6g@netaxs.com>, stan@nextaxs.com says...
: >
: >    I am a very happy user of Kermit 95.  I would like to know if 
: there is a
: >way to get K95 to choose which
: >Windows 95 Dial Up Networking connection to use?  I have three clients 
: that
: >I connect to via DUN.  I first have
: >to start up the DUN connection, then fire up the correct K95 seesion 
: to
: >telnet into the remote machine.  Is there
: >any way to tell K95 that when I fire up session A, use DUN connection 
: A?

Not with any tools that come with Kermit 95.  If anyone has any suggestions
on how this would be done please feel free to let us know.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: a_ppi_s@my-deja.com
Subject: credit report pull - newbie
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 17:08:33 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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I'm trying to write a script to dial
into a major credit bureau to pull credit in an automated fashion.
Basically my plan is to use procmail to check incoming email and pull
specific fields as arguments to be passed to a script that will in turn
dial out to a processor... so with that in mind It looks like kermit
will work great for me.

So, my question is, how difficult is it to write a wermit program like
this?  Any pointers to get me started in the right direction?

-Thanks
Andy


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: credit report pull - newbie
Date: 2 Sep 1999 17:48:08 GMT
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7qmau4$pmb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  <a_ppi_s@my-deja.com> wrote:
: I'm trying to write a script to dial
: into a major credit bureau to pull credit in an automated fashion.
: Basically my plan is to use procmail to check incoming email and pull
: specific fields as arguments to be passed to a script that will in turn
: dial out to a processor... so with that in mind It looks like kermit
: will work great for me.
: 
: So, my question is, how difficult is it to write a wermit program like
: this?  Any pointers to get me started in the right direction?
: 
Start by reading the script programming chapters of the manual, Using
C-Kermit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html

(or other appropriate manual, depending on which platform you are developing
on).  And then look through the Kermit script library:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/scriptlib.html

for examples.

- Frank

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From: "Ye Huang" <ye.huang@zweig.com>
Subject: C-Kermit 6.0.192 performance on HP-UX 10.20
Message-ID: <aUVz3.198$_h3.4497@client>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:04:50 -0400
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hello:

      I use Kermit to upload files on both PC (using Procomm Plus 4.5), and
HP-UX 10.20. To upload a file of 60K size, the Unix side takes 8-9 minutes,
while the PC side only a couples of minutes. Modems are connected at the
same speed, 9600bps, and window-size both at 8. What can cause such a
drastic difference in performance?

    Please email me at ye.huang@zweig.com. Thanks a lot in advance!

Ye



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: C-Kermit 6.0.192 performance on HP-UX 10.20
Date: 3 Sep 1999 20:29:35 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <aUVz3.198$_h3.4497@client>, Ye Huang <ye.huang@zweig.com> wrote:
: Hello:
: 
:       I use Kermit to upload files on both PC (using Procomm Plus 4.5), and
: HP-UX 10.20. To upload a file of 60K size, the Unix side takes 8-9 minutes,
: while the PC side only a couples of minutes. Modems are connected at the
: same speed, 9600bps, and window-size both at 8.
: 
Are you talking about two separate setups?  If so, what is on each end of
each connection?  What are you uploading to?  Which program is sending and
which is receiving?  What communications and protocol parameters (besides
window size) have you set?

: What can cause such a drastic difference in performance?
:
Any number of things.  The book "Using C-Kermit" has a whole chapter that
goes into great detail about performance.  There are many factors that go
into the best performance on any particular connection -- primarily window
size, packet length, degree of prefixing, flow control.  Also, why restrict
yourself to 9600 bps?  Even if all you have is a V.32 modem, you should
still be able to set the serial interface speed 2-4 times higher and let the
modem's built-in compression work for you.

For starters, try giving C-Kermit the "fast" command before starting the
transfer.  C-Kermit 6.0 and earlier have conservative ("robust") tuning
by default.  See the manual for a complete explanation.

- Frank

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From: "Ye Huang" <ye.huang@zweig.com>
Subject: modem "messed up" after using C-Kermit on HP-UX
Message-ID: <29Yz3.269$_h3.6386@client>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:39:22 -0400
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hi:

    Another thing of using C-Kermit on HP-UX 10.20 to send a file via a
modem is that, I can no longer dial into the same modem attatched to the HP
machine (prompt characters are "messed up") unless I power cycle the modem.

    What needs to be set (or OS patched) to fix it?


Ye



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: modem "messed up" after using C-Kermit on HP-UX
Date: 4 Sep 1999 15:39:29 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7qrefh$h4g$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <29Yz3.269$_h3.6386@client>, Ye Huang <ye.huang@zweig.com> wrote:
: Another thing of using C-Kermit on HP-UX 10.20 to send a file via a
: modem is that, I can no longer dial into the same modem attatched to the HP
: machine (prompt characters are "messed up") unless I power cycle the modem.
: 
: What needs to be set (or OS patched) to fix it?
: 
This is more of an HP-UX system administration question than a question about
Kermit.  When a serial port is to be used for both dialout and dialin, the
process that controls port when it is not being used for dialout (such as
getty) has to "take back" the modem and reconfigure it for answering calls.
Some modem configuration might also be involved -- for example, setting its
profile to reload a call-answering configuration from NVRAM whenever a
connection is dropped and/or setting some DIP switches in a certain way,
depending on the make and model of the modem.

Let's see if we can get some specific answers from HP-UX system adminstrators.

- Frank

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From: John Pezzano <jpezz@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: modem "messed up" after using C-Kermit on HP-UX
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 17:53:47 -0400
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Frank da Cruz wrote:
> 
> In article <29Yz3.269$_h3.6386@client>, Ye Huang <ye.huang@zweig.com> wrote:
> : Another thing of using C-Kermit on HP-UX 10.20 to send a file via a
> : modem is that, I can no longer dial into the same modem attatched to the HP
> : machine (prompt characters are "messed up") unless I power cycle the modem.
> :
> : What needs to be set (or OS patched) to fix it?
> :
> This is more of an HP-UX system administration question than a question about
> Kermit.  When a serial port is to be used for both dialout and dialin, the
> process that controls port when it is not being used for dialout (such as
> getty) has to "take back" the modem and reconfigure it for answering calls.
> Some modem configuration might also be involved -- for example, setting its
> profile to reload a call-answering configuration from NVRAM whenever a
> connection is dropped and/or setting some DIP switches in a certain way,
> depending on the make and model of the modem.
> 
> Let's see if we can get some specific answers from HP-UX system adminstrators.
> 
> - Frank

Some modems to be "smart" remember the last callout speed by autosyncing
to the "AT" command. They then use this speed when you dial in. getty
does not send an AT command so the modem will not sync to the getty. The
best way to handle modems on HP-UX is to:

Use only one speed to dial out. Modems in this day and age will sync to
the modem at the other end (unlike the old days of wooden ships and iron
men and modems that were dumb). There is no reason to use multiple
speeds.

Use the dialout speed as the getty speed. For the same reason as above,
let the modems handle the speed differences.

Use the fastest speed possible. If you have a port that supports 115K
and a modem that does, use it. If you have an old type card that
supports only 19.2K, then make that the speed you use.


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From: Andrew Flack <andy.flack@MediDesk.co.uk>
Subject: ACK problem Filenames only wanted
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 14:44:43 +0100
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What do you do if K95 is sending an ack packet which includes the
filename of the file to be received at the K95 server end, and the other
end dosnt like it, just wanting the filename with no path data???


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From: "Mikael Varila" <Mikael.Varila@pp.inet.fi>
Subject: "refused: size" on a transfer
Message-ID: <WstB3.205$rp6.697@read2.inet.fi>
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 13:25:10 GMT
Organization: Sonera Ltd iNET services
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


I am trying to send a file to a K95 server over TCP/IP (port 2001)
from a unix box, and I get an error message in transfact.log:

Sending ...
mode: text
file character set ...
xfer character set ...
remote name: ...
refused: size
*** interrupted, sending discard request

Versions are: K95 v1.1 on a WinNT 4.0 SP3, C-Kermit 6.0.192
on a HP-UX 10.20.

There is plenty on disk space on target system, and no quota
checking should be activated.

So what gives? Any ideas?

                                Mikael Varila
                                Oy Softema Ab
                                eMail: Mikael.Varila@softema.inet.fi
                                Phone: +358 9 668 9230
                                Fax: +358 9 668 92 323




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From: cozzmo <john_cosimano@my-deja.com>
Subject: Kermit for ASCII file transfers
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 13:32:12 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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Background information:

I'm currently using C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Linux as a console
for 128 Suns and CMD RAID controllers. I'm running on a RedHat Linux 5.2
box with a pair of Cyclades multi-port serial cards. I'm quite happy
with the set up. I need to flash the firmware on my RAID controllers
(CMD 5440), and this is the area of my question.

The controller provides a facility to do an ASCII upload to itself. The
controller then converts the code to some binary format and then burns
it to the eeprom. The controller manufacturer provides instructions on
how to use Windows Terminal (terminal.exe) to do this, and it works
fine. I'd like to figure out a way to use kermit to avoid carrying a
laptop to about 40 RAID boxen. Here are the guidelines the manual
suggests:

1) use software flow control (easy: set flow-control xon/xoff)
2) must use ascii file transfer mode
3) must instruct terminal program to end each line of text with a
carriage return/line feed.

Items 2 and 3 have me a little confused. First, I'm not sure if kermit
can do straight ascii uploads. If this is the case, then I'll look
elsewhere. Second, for item 3, since I'm using a unix application (vice
windows), I'm not sure this applies to me.

So, based on these requirements does it seem that C-Kermit will do the
trick for me?

Thanks,
John


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Kermit for ASCII file transfers
Date: 8 Sep 1999 13:47:49 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7r5ogs$dtp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
cozzmo  <john_cosimano@my-deja.com> wrote:
: Background information:
: 
: I'm currently using C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Linux as a console
: for 128 Suns and CMD RAID controllers. I'm running on a RedHat Linux 5.2
: box with a pair of Cyclades multi-port serial cards. I'm quite happy
: with the set up. I need to flash the firmware on my RAID controllers
: (CMD 5440), and this is the area of my question.
: 
: The controller provides a facility to do an ASCII upload to itself. The
: controller then converts the code to some binary format and then burns
: it to the eeprom. The controller manufacturer provides instructions on
: how to use Windows Terminal (terminal.exe) to do this, and it works
: fine. I'd like to figure out a way to use kermit to avoid carrying a
: laptop to about 40 RAID boxen. Here are the guidelines the manual
: suggests:
: 
: 1) use software flow control (easy: set flow-control xon/xoff)
: 2) must use ascii file transfer mode
: 3) must instruct terminal program to end each line of text with a
:    carriage return/line feed.
: 
: Items 2 and 3 have me a little confused. First, I'm not sure if kermit
: can do straight ascii uploads.
:
It can, the command is TRANSMIT.  See Chapter 15 of "Using C-Kermit".

: If this is the case, then I'll look
: elsewhere. Second, for item 3, since I'm using a unix application (vice
: windows), I'm not sure this applies to me.
: 
If it does, use SET TRANSMIT LINEFEED ON (as opposed to OFF, which is the
default).  See the manual for complete instructions -- there is more to
"ASCII protocol" than the three items you listed above.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: "refused: size" on a transfer
Date: 8 Sep 1999 13:55:49 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <WstB3.205$rp6.697@read2.inet.fi>,
Mikael Varila <Mikael.Varila@pp.inet.fi> wrote:
: 
: I am trying to send a file to a K95 server over TCP/IP (port 2001)
: from a unix box, and I get an error message in transfact.log:
: 
: Sending ...
: mode: text
: file character set ...
: xfer character set ...
: remote name: ...
: refused: size
: *** interrupted, sending discard request
: 
: Versions are: K95 v1.1...
:
1.1-point-what?  1.1.17 is current:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

: ... on a WinNT 4.0 SP3, C-Kermit 6.0.192 on a HP-UX 10.20.
: 
: There is plenty on disk space on target system, and no quota
: checking should be activated.
: 
You'd need to send us a debug log if you want a diagnosis.  To work
around, tell one or both Kermit programs to "set attribute length off".

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: ACK problem Filenames only wanted
Date: 8 Sep 1999 13:53:04 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <37D6684A.5897@MediDesk.co.uk>,
Andrew Flack  <andy.flack@MediDesk.co.uk> wrote:
: What do you do if K95 is sending an ack packet which includes the
: filename of the file to be received at the K95 server end, and the other
: end dosnt like it, just wanting the filename with no path data???
: 
(a) Contact the maker of the Kermit program on the other end and let them 
    know their implementation is faulty and ask them to fix it.

(b) Replace the faulty Kermit implementation with one that works.

(c) Wait for Kermit 95 1.1.18, which will include a whole new set of
    features to let you adapt it to faulty Kermit file-transfer partners,
    since (a) rarely works.

In K95 1.1.18, the command will be "SET F-ACK-BUG ON".  It's also in
the C-Kermit 7.0 Beta test:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

- Frank

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From: "Mikael Varila" <Mikael.Varila@pp.inet.fi>
Subject: Re: "refused: size" on a transfer
Message-ID: <gkKB3.66$jn.59@read2.inet.fi>
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 08:36:28 GMT
Organization: Sonera Ltd
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


Okei, that worked. Thanks.

the K95 I use reports it's version as 1.1(192).

                                Mikael Varila
                                Oy Softema Ab
                                eMail: Mikael.Varila@softema.inet.fi
                                Phone: +358 9 668 9230
                                Fax: +358 9 668 92 323

Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:7r5pt5$df4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
> In article <WstB3.205$rp6.697@read2.inet.fi>,
> Mikael Varila <Mikael.Varila@pp.inet.fi> wrote:
> :
> : I am trying to send a file to a K95 server over TCP/IP (port 2001)
> : from a unix box, and I get an error message in transfact.log:
> :
> : Sending ...
> : mode: text
> : file character set ...
> : xfer character set ...
> : remote name: ...
> : refused: size
> : *** interrupted, sending discard request
> :
> : Versions are: K95 v1.1...
> :
> 1.1-point-what?  1.1.17 is current:
>
>   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
>
> : ... on a WinNT 4.0 SP3, C-Kermit 6.0.192 on a HP-UX 10.20.
> :
> : There is plenty on disk space on target system, and no quota
> : checking should be activated.
> :
> You'd need to send us a debug log if you want a diagnosis.  To work
> around, tell one or both Kermit programs to "set attribute length off".
>
> - Frank



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Subject: Re: "refused: size" on a transfer
Date: 9 Sep 1999 14:07:34 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <gkKB3.66$jn.59@read2.inet.fi>,
Mikael Varila <Mikael.Varila@pp.inet.fi> wrote:
: 
: Okei, that worked. Thanks.
: 
: the K95 I use reports it's version as 1.1(192).
: 

The original release from October 1995?  No wonder you are having problems.

Patches to the current release 1.1.17 are available from 

  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95patch.html

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org


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From: "Ye Huang" <ye.huang@zweig.com>
Subject: C-Kermit Connection frequently disconnected
Message-ID: <h3VB3.18$B35.586@client>
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:46:30 -0400
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hi:

    My C-Kermit connection from my HP-UX 10.20 to Compuserv often gets
disconnected after the "dial" command succeeds but before my kermit script
sees Compuserv's "Host Name:" prompt. It will display "OK" first and "NO
CARRIER" on the next line. But  a lot of times the script works.

    I use hayes, tty0p0, 19200 (or 9600), and I set "cautious", and
parity=space.

    1) Is this problem from my setup, noise line, or from Compuserv (say,
too many users?)
    2) How do I code my kermit script to recognize the fact that "NO
CARRIER" has occured after dialing succeeded and redial the number? Or is
there a way to avoid this problem?



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Subject: Re: C-Kermit Connection frequently disconnected
Date: 9 Sep 1999 20:56:55 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <h3VB3.18$B35.586@client>, Ye Huang <ye.huang@zweig.com> wrote:
:     My C-Kermit connection from my HP-UX 10.20 to Compuserv often gets
: disconnected after the "dial" command succeeds but before my kermit script
: sees Compuserv's "Host Name:" prompt. It will display "OK" first and "NO
: CARRIER" on the next line. But  a lot of times the script works.
: 
:     I use hayes, tty0p0, 19200 (or 9600), and I set "cautious", and
: parity=space.
: 
:     1) Is this problem from my setup, noise line, or from Compuserv (say,
: too many users?)
:
If this always happens at the same place, then my guess would be it is
Compuserve hanging up on your call, but maybe somebody who has a Compuserve
shell account could comment more intelligently.

:     2) How do I code my kermit script to recognize the fact that "NO
: CARRIER" has occured after dialing succeeded and redial the number? Or is
: there a way to avoid this problem?
: 
You should not have to do anything special in your script.  If you always
put IF FAIL commands after any i/o commands (like INPUT or OUTPUT), it
this should catch the disconnection.  SET CARRIER-WATCH should be left at
its default setting (in other words, SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF should not be
used).  The SET MODEM command should precede the SET LINE command, etc.

All of this is documented in the manual.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: OOP shell scripting
Date: 10 Sep 1999 17:29:30 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <7r9v08$obv$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
Kurt Harriger <kurbylogic@earthlink.net> wrote:
: Hi all, looking for a better way to use OOP patterns when doing shell
: scripting to make my scripts more reusable.
: 
: I was thinking some kinda . library plus a different scripting approach to
: call various functions such as eval and $obj.method when calling to support
: a limited polymorphic behavior.
: Any one ever done anything like this with shell scripting.  Maybe
: 
: Shell scripts seem more reusable then one large binary.  Java would work
: nice except that it requires the runtime be installed on many systems before
: any of my libraries are useful on those systems.
: 
If you use C-Kermit 7.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

as your script interpreter rather than ksh, bash, etc (don't laugh until
you've looked), the basic constructs of object oriented programming (classes,
containers, inheritance, semaphores, etc) are illustrated in the C-Kermit
script library:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: TVI955 terminal emulation client for Unix (Linux)
Date: 10 Sep 1999 22:01:10 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <7rbjq8$ot7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  <davidrice@my-deja.com> wrote:
: I connect to a system that uses tvi955 terminal emulation and I need to
: find a client program that does tvi955 terminal emulation on Unix
: (Linux or Solaris).  We currently use ProComm as our win32 solution,
: but we are attempting to come up with a Linux solution.
: 
: I found the file /usr/share/terminfo/t/tvi955 which looks like a
: terminfo file on my Redhat 6.0 system, but I can't figure out how to
: use it for client emulation.
: 
Is there an FAQ for this group?  This question should surely go into it...

UNIX is not DOS, Windows, or Mac OS.  A UNIX application, other than an
X server and the console driver, does not have direct access to the keyboard
and screen, and so it is not, in general or in any real sense, possible to
write a terminal emulator for UNIX.

Instead, the console (physical keyboard and "raw" screen + drivers) or the
xterm window give you what amounts to an actual TERMINAL.  Its characteristics
are what they are; you can't change them (except you can do some key mapping
in X which can affect xterm).

Now, besides the console and xterm, you can also access UNIX from Telnet,
Rlogin, dialin, or even a hardwired connection from another computer through
the serial port, or for that matter from an actual terminal (VT100, Wyse,
TVI, etc).  Obviously, when you come into UNIX this way -- i.e. from a remote
computer or terminal, UNIX applications REALLY have no direct access to
your keyboard or screen.

So the question is not what termcaps you can find on Linux -- that's
backwards.  The question is: what termcaps can you find on the system you
are connected to FROM Linux.  Then you have to set your terminal type on the
remote system where the application is to match the kind of terminal you
have on Linux, or that you are using to access Linux from.

The Linux console "emulates" The Linux Console.  It is its own terminal
type.  Xterm -- depending on which one you have -- emulates vt100 or vt220.
If you are coming into Linux remotely, then it's the kind of terminal or
emulator you have locally.

If the application you are accessing does not use termcap/terminfo/curses,
and is truly hardwired to TVI955, then you'll need a TVI 955 or an emulator
for one.  Since I doubt that anything like this is available for Linux -- at
least not for for free (it is possible, but not easy, to write a custom
xterm program that emulates some specific kind of terminal not emulated by
the xterms you normally can get) -- then you'll need to access Linux from an
actual TVI terminal or from a PC with DOS or Windows that has a TVI 955
emulator.

Another point about UNIX and terminal emulators that might not be obvious is
that in UNIX the communications function generally resides in SOME OTHER
program, such as kermit, cu, telnet, rlogin, etc.  In a typical scenario,
you start an xterm window, and then start (say) Kermit IN the xterm window
and have it make the desired connection.  Kermit provides the connection,
xterm provides the emulation.  (Ditto if you replace Kermit by cu, telnet,
rlogin, etc.)  Kermit also gives you file transfer, character-set
translation, and scripting on the connection.  More about Kermit at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

If you are using xterm, it is possible to change what certain keys send
by using xmodmap.  For example, the regular xterm probably does not support
high-number function keys, like F8.  So if you need to make F8 send what
(say) a DEC VT220 sends, you can (a) install Xfree86 xterm, which does this
already:

  http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey/xterm/xterm.faq.html

or use xmodmap to assign the appropriate sequence to the key.

Remember: Kermit, cu, telnet, and friends can't even SEE the F-keys, arrow
keys, Alt key, etc.  This is the price we pay for the cross-platform code
portability and openness of access that UNIX offers us.  In Windows we can
write terminal emulators because we can always get at the keyboard and
screen.  But Windows does not allow the other forms of access the UNIX does.
So in short: no, there is no Procomm for Linux.

These are tradeoffs.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: TVI955 terminal emulation client for Unix (Linux)
Date: 10 Sep 1999 22:39:17 GMT
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In article <37D97564.CD7DB3F6@GD-CS.Com>,
Scott G. Hall <Scott.Hall@GD-CS.Com> wrote:
: davidrice@my-deja.com wrote:
:
Looks like Scott & I posted detailed replies at the same time...

: What you need is some software that will translate between the TVI955
: personality for the second host, and the terminal type that you are using
: on your UNIX host.  There used to be posted a few years ago the UNIX
: program "pcomm", which was an implementation of Procomm for UNIX.  It
: would allow any of a number of different terminal emulations, like its
: PC cousin, and was written using termlib and curses so that it didn't
: care what your local terminal was.
:
This is a possibility too but not a good one.  Since pcomm is a regular
UNIX application, it can't get at the keyboard and screen any more than
telnet, cu, or kermit can.  Being driven by curses doesn't solve all the
problems.  First of all, the application still can't see the keys --
only whatever escape sequences the keys might generate.  But that's not
good enough for key mapping.

Second, curses might help in displaying the final result on the user's
terminal screen, but how is the incoming stream parsed and converted into
actions?  I don't think curses does that, so detailed and specific
emulations STILL have to be written into the application.  This is pretty
complicated stuff, and probably accounts for why we don't hear much about
pcomm any more.

Third, real terminals like the VT320, TVI955, etc, strain the curses model
beyond its design.  Ambitious applications written for these terminals
(that use, say, protected fields, character-set switching, function-key
loading, numerous report/request sequences, etc) won't be served adequately 
a curses-based translator.

More adequate products (if any exist) are going to be commercial and
expensive, since no terminal emulator for UNIX is going to get the kind of
market share that allows low prices, and they're just not easy enough to
write to be cranked out by volunteers -- and certainly not maintained by
them over the long term.

It would, indeed, be possible to write an xterm that supported a wide range
of terminal types, but who's going to do it?  Believe me, it is a LOT of
work.

- Frank

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Subject: C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.10 Ready for Testing
Date: 11 Sep 1999 16:16:06 -0400
Organization: Columbia University
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C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.10 for UNIX, VMS, Plan 9, and AOS/VS is ready for
testing (other platforms should follow later):

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

The main addition since Beta.09 (and hopefully the last major
addition before the final release) is Unicode support.

For those who haven't heard of it, Unicode (ISO 10646) is the new
Universal Character Set (UCS), which represents most of the world's
scripts (Roman, Hebrew, Cyrillic, Arabic, Greek, Chinese, Japanese,
Korean, etc) in a single (more-or-less) "flat" 16-bit encoding.  To
learn more about Unicode, visit:

  http://www.unicode.org/

Kermit protocol and software have included character-set
translation capabilities since the 1980s, allowing conversion of
text among the many "traditional" character sets like the ISO 8859
Latin Alphabets, PC code pages, IBM mainframe EBCDIC code pages,
ISO 646 national character sets, KOI sets, JIS sets, and assorted
proprietary sets (DEC, DG, Apple, NeXT, etc).

With growing acceptance of Unicode, there is increasing need for
importation of text in "traditional" encodings into Unicode platforms
or applications, and to a lesser degree for export of Unicode text to
non-Unicode environments.  C-Kermit now offers these services over a
wide range of platforms and communication methods.

 . UCS-2 and UTF-8 are now supported as transfer character sets
   (the small number of international standard character sets
   allowed "on the wire" in Kermit file transfer; each Kermit
   file-transfer partner converts between its local encoding
   and the transfer encoding) (UCS-2 and UTF-8 are two
   different representations of Unicode / ISO 10646).

 . UCS-2 and UTF-8 are now supported as file character sets.
   Incoming text can be stored in either UTF-8 or UCS-2, and
   UCS-2 or UTF-8 text can be sent with conversion to any
   appropriate transfer character set (including conversion of
   UCS-2 to UTF-8 or vice-versa).

 . C-Kermit's TRANSLATE command can be used to convert
   traditional files to UCS-2 or UTF-8 (and, to the degree
   possible, vice versa) on the local computer, as well as
   between UCS-2 and UTF-8.

 . C-Kermit can conduct UTF-8 terminal sessions, even when its
   local character set is not Unicode.  (It is also programmed
   to do the reverse -- i.e. make connections from a UTF-8
   console or Window to a non-Unicode host, but this has not
   been tested yet.)

 . C-Kermit's TRANSMIT command can perform "ASCII" (nonprotocol)
   uploads of text files, converting them to UTF-8 on the fly.
   Or it can upload UTF-8 or UCS-2, converting it to some other
   set, etc etc.

(Obviously whenever translating from Unicode to a smaller set,
Unicode characters that are not in the smaller set are lost, just 
like when converting from, say, Latin-1 to German ISO 646.)

C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.10 is available at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

The Web page lists all the other new features since the previous
release, 6.0, in September 1996.  Beta.10 should be the last, or
maybe next to last, test version before the final 7.0 release.  It
has already been built successfully on more than 130 different
platforms (prebuilt binaries are available and are listed at the end
of the Web page; if you can built others, please let me know).  Until
a new edition of the C-Kermit manual is published, the new features
of version 7.0 are documented in the (plain text) ckermit2.txt file;
Section 6.6 describes the new Unicode features.

Please send any questions or report any problems to:

  kermit-support@columbia.edu

Thanks!

Frank da Cruz
The Kermit Project
Columbia University

P.S. This announcement was originally posted nearly a week ago but
never seemed to get out to the newsgroups.  My apologies if you are
seeing it twice!

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Subject: How do I pass Kermit parameters?
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:51:56 GMT
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I want to pass Kermit parameters from my Visual Basic program.

Example:  If the user wants info about product 18, I want Kermit to
submit a program on an alpha machine which will get the info for
product 18.

In Visual Basic 6.0 I'm shelling the command...
                        f:\winappl.95\k95\k95 d:login.ksc

(d:login.ksc is the script I've written which runs on an NT box)

The script runs fine I just don't know where/how to tell it to run for
product 18.

Thanks,

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: How do I pass Kermit parameters?
Date: 14 Sep 1999 19:27:20 GMT
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In article <7rm5g7$v0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  <dixonan@my-deja.com> wrote:
: I want to pass Kermit parameters from my Visual Basic program.
: 
: Example:  If the user wants info about product 18, I want Kermit to
: submit a program on an alpha machine which will get the info for
: product 18.
: 
: In Visual Basic 6.0 I'm shelling the command...
:                         f:\winappl.95\k95\k95 d:login.ksc
: 
: (d:login.ksc is the script I've written which runs on an NT box)
: 
: The script runs fine I just don't know where/how to tell it to run for
: product 18.

You will add the appropriate commands to login.ksc to acquire the
information on product 18.  Whatever you would do manually to find
that information you would place into a script.  Use INPUT and OUTPUT
commands to read prompts from the host and send replies.  

See "Using C-Kermit" which came with K95 for details on how to write
scripts to interact with the host application.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: How do I pass Kermit parameters?
Date: 14 Sep 1999 22:10:25 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7rm5g7$v0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  <dixonan@my-deja.com> wrote:
: I want to pass Kermit parameters from my Visual Basic program.
: 
: Example:  If the user wants info about product 18, I want Kermit to
: submit a program on an alpha machine which will get the info for
: product 18.
: 
: In Visual Basic 6.0 I'm shelling the command...
:                         f:\winappl.95\k95\k95 d:login.ksc
: 
: (d:login.ksc is the script I've written which runs on an NT box)
: 
: The script runs fine I just don't know where/how to tell it to run for
: product 18.
: 
The methods for passing command-line arguments to a script are a bit
awkward, since K95 (and C-Kermit 6.0, upon which it is based) have
their own command-line arguments.  All of this will be simplified in the
next releases (C-Kermit 7.0 and K95 1.1.18), but for the time being, you
have two choices.  The first one is:

  <path>k95 <name-of-script-file> = <arg1> <arg2> ...

The "=" is a K95 / C-Kermit command-line argument meaning "ignore 
everything that follows but put it in the command-line argument array,"
which is described on p.353 and p.469 of "Using C-Kermit".  But then your
script has to loop through the command-line argument array looking for the
"=" sign, and then pick up its own arguments after the "=" sign.  Example:

  f:\winappl.95\k95\k95 d:myscript.ksc = 18

where myscript.ksc might contain:

  undef product
  for \%i 1 \v(args)-1 1 {
      xif equal {\&@[\%i]} {=} {
          assign product \&@[\%i+1]
          break
      }
  }
  if not def product stop 1 Product number required
  echo product = "\m(product)"

The other method would be to use the -C "commandlist" construction:  

  f:\winappl.95\k95\k95 -C "define product 18, take d:myscript.ksc"

Using either method, your script can refer to the product code as
\m(product).

- Frank

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From: Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net>
Subject: Re: Q: about scripts & .kermrc
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:21:42 -0700
Organization: Not Very Much
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

nigel@DELETE-NOSPAM.negin.nu wrote:
> 
> I'm using a shell script called 'dialout' which sets some environment varibales
> and then call a kermit script (starts with #!/usr/local/bin/kermit +  )
> which will go out and find the first available modem on a modem pool.
> 
> I also have a .kermrc file which doesn't appear to be executed when I run
> dialout to eventually load kermit.
> 
> Is there something I can put in the script to force kermit to load the
> .kermrc or am I missing something? I've looked around and havn't seen
> anything mentioned about it.
> 
> C-Kermit 7.0.196 Beta.10, 4 Sep 1999, for IBM AIX 4.1

This behavior is intentional.  See Ckermit2.txt, sec 7.19 a. Partially
quoted below.  If you don't need to pass command line arguments to the
script, you can remove the '+' from the end of the 'kerbang' line. 
Otherwise, you can put a 'take' command for .kermrc in the script.

a. The first line of the Kermit script must begin with "#!" immediately
   followed by the full pathname of the program that will execute the
   script (in this case, C-Kermit rather than a UNIX shell), followed by
   any Kermit command-line options.  To suppress execution of the C-Kermit
   initialization file and to make command line arguments available to the
   script, the final option should be "+":

   #!/usr/local/bin/kermit +



-- 
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:20:15 GMT
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Ahhh, ok. I got it.  I did grep for kermrc after browsing the docs, I guess I
should have thought of using a generic term.

Anyway, I appreciate your rapid response, thanks.

Regards
Nigel

In comp.protocols.kermit Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> wrote:
> nigel@DELETE-NOSPAM.negin.nu wrote:
>> 
>> I'm using a shell script called 'dialout' which sets some environment varibales
>> and then call a kermit script (starts with #!/usr/local/bin/kermit +  )
>> which will go out and find the first available modem on a modem pool.
>> 
>> I also have a .kermrc file which doesn't appear to be executed when I run
>> dialout to eventually load kermit.
>> 
>> Is there something I can put in the script to force kermit to load the
>> .kermrc or am I missing something? I've looked around and havn't seen
>> anything mentioned about it.
>> 
>> C-Kermit 7.0.196 Beta.10, 4 Sep 1999, for IBM AIX 4.1

> This behavior is intentional.  See Ckermit2.txt, sec 7.19 a. Partially
> quoted below.  If you don't need to pass command line arguments to the
> script, you can remove the '+' from the end of the 'kerbang' line. 
> Otherwise, you can put a 'take' command for .kermrc in the script.

> a. The first line of the Kermit script must begin with "#!" immediately
>    followed by the full pathname of the program that will execute the
>    script (in this case, C-Kermit rather than a UNIX shell), followed by
>    any Kermit command-line options.  To suppress execution of the C-Kermit
>    initialization file and to make command line arguments available to the
>    script, the final option should be "+":

>    #!/usr/local/bin/kermit +



> -- 
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From: fred smith <fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us>
Subject: Re: How do I pass Kermit parameters?
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:34:17 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <7rm5g7$v0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  <dixonan@my-deja.com> wrote:
: : I want to pass Kermit parameters from my Visual Basic program.
: :  <snip>
: The methods for passing command-line arguments to a script are a bit
: awkward, since K95 (and C-Kermit 6.0, upon which it is based) have
: their own command-line arguments.  All of this will be simplified in the
: next releases (C-Kermit 7.0 and K95 1.1.18), but for the time being, you
: have two choices.  The first one is:

:   <path>k95 <name-of-script-file> = <arg1> <arg2> ...
<snip>

What I've done, with both C-Kermit and MS-Kermit, when I had a whole
bunch of things I wanted to pass to a kermit script was to put a (on
Unix) shellscript or (or DOS) batchfile wrapper around the invocation of
Kermit. This shellscript/batch file takes its own parameter list and/or
things from its environment, and writes a kermit script which assigns
those values to kermit variables, then as the last thing it does invokes
kermit with appropriate arguments to cause kermit to 'take' that kermit
script. (This tends to be a 3-stage operation: 1) run the batch file,
which builds the kermit script, 2) invoke kermit which runs the
newly-constructed script, and 3) that on-the-fly script then tends to
invoke the "real" script, the one that actually does the work, once it
has completed processing the various commands created on the fly by the
batch file). This shellscript/batch file, then, is invoked from within
some other program that wants to do some kind of complex thing with
Kermit.

Fred
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: How do I pass Kermit parameters?
Date: 15 Sep 1999 16:34:16 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7rohq8$p46$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <FI3K15.E6F@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us>,
fred smith  <fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: : In article <7rm5g7$v0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  <dixonan@my-deja.com> wrote:
: : : I want to pass Kermit parameters from my Visual Basic program.
: : :  <snip>
: : The methods for passing command-line arguments to a script are a bit
: : awkward, since K95 (and C-Kermit 6.0, upon which it is based) have
: : their own command-line arguments.  All of this will be simplified in the
: : next releases (C-Kermit 7.0 and K95 1.1.18), but for the time being, you
: : have two choices.  The first one is:
: 
: :   <path>k95 <name-of-script-file> = <arg1> <arg2> ...
: <snip>
: 
: What I've done, with both C-Kermit and MS-Kermit, when I had a whole
: bunch of things I wanted to pass to a kermit script was to put a (on
: Unix) shellscript or (or DOS) batchfile wrapper around the invocation of
: Kermit. This shellscript/batch file takes its own parameter list and/or
: things from its environment, and writes a kermit script which assigns
: those values to kermit variables, then as the last thing it does invokes
: kermit with appropriate arguments to cause kermit to 'take' that kermit
: script. (This tends to be a 3-stage operation: 1) run the batch file,
: which builds the kermit script, 2) invoke kermit which runs the
: newly-constructed script, and 3) that on-the-fly script then tends to
: invoke the "real" script, the one that actually does the work, once it
: has completed processing the various commands created on the fly by the
: batch file). This shellscript/batch file, then, is invoked from within
: some other program that wants to do some kind of complex thing with
: Kermit.
: 
Like I said, (more than) a bit awkward! :-)  In the new releases, you'll be
able to pass command-line arguments directly to the script and refer to
them directly within the script.  You can see lots of examples in the
C-Kermit/K95 script library at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html

Also, the new versions let you have more than 10 arguments on the command
line.  (And inq UNIX, you can even designate Kermit as the "shell" to execute
a script, so you can run a Kermit script exactly the same way you would run a
shell script.)

(We are working hard on the new releases and will release them as soon as
they are ready.)

- Frank


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From: Enoch Wu <enochw@scn.org>
Subject: Screen echo on closing connection - C-Kermit7 b10
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:24:09 GMT
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Hi,

After closing modem connection and exiting out of Kermit, I was back to
my login shell.  At this point, I got ">" for each command I type on
the keyboard. However, commands got executed correctly.

What went wrong ?

Regards,
Enoch Wu
Platform Info:  UWIN 2.0 Unix for Windows.
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From: Enoch Wu <enochw@scn.org>
Subject: Re: Screen echo on closing connection - C-Kermit7 b10
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:35:42 GMT
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In article <7s0hrh$a7g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,

OOPS -- I meant to write "I got a '>' for each key (not command) I type
on the keyboard."

  Enoch Wu <enochw@scn.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After closing modem connection and exiting out of Kermit, I was back
to
> my login shell.  At this point, I got ">" for each command I type on
> the keyboard. However, commands got executed correctly.
>
> What went wrong ?
>
> Regards,
> Enoch Wu
> Platform Info:  UWIN 2.0 Unix for Windows.
> C-Kermit 7.0 beta10, compiled using GCC 2.95, by myself.
>
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Subject: Re: Screen echo on closing connection - C-Kermit7 b10
Date: 18 Sep 1999 18:47:30 GMT
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In article <7s0hrh$a7g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Enoch Wu  <enochw@scn.org> wrote:
: After closing modem connection and exiting out of Kermit, I was back to
: my login shell.  At this point, I got ">" for each command I type on
: the keyboard. However, commands got executed correctly.
: 
: What went wrong ?
: 
: Platform Info:  UWIN 2.0 Unix for Windows.
: C-Kermit 7.0 beta10, compiled using GCC 2.95, by myself.
:
You tried to run software for UNIX on Windows.  There is absolutely no
support for this.  If it works you are very lucky.  If it doesn't work, the
only advice you'll get from us is to use the software that we have spent
five years developing for your Windows platform.  This we can and do support.

- Frank

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From: Michael Newton <mnewton@omegafilters.com>
Subject: X.25 7E1, help?
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:26:05 -0400
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I am trying to use C-Kermit to communicate to a point-of-sale host. I am
using Comtrol Rocketmodems, multimodem cards that use Rockwell chipsets.

This is the extent of the information I have on the communications spec:

Transmission line speed: 200 BPS/1200 BPS, Async
Data formats: 7 bit, ASCII, even parity, 1 stop bit
Modulation: FSK carrier frequency - 1070/1270 Hz
Modem: Compatible with Bell 103/212a in originate mode, no error
correction.

The modem documentation speaks of the command ATB1 - "Choose Bell212A
connection at 1200 bps." I can't find any more on this command, but it
appears to have the effect of setting the modem up with no
error-correction or compression, which seems to be what I want. So I do
this in Kermit:

set modem hayes-1200
set parity even
set serial 7e1
set modem command init-string ATB1 X4\{13}
set line /dev/ttyX
set speed 1200

I'd hope this would set things up properly, with the X4 in there so i
can get error reporting (this is driven by an Expect script).

I am told that I am dialing into a UUNet X.25 Cloud. What I am told to
expect is an ENQ control character, after which I send my message, which
contains some alphanumerics and some other control characters, I get
something similar back, I send an ACK, get back an EOT, and we hang up.
The Expect/Kermit arrangment seems to be catching/sending control
characters properly, as far as I can determine so far.

However, there is something wrong, as I cannot seem to get through the
X.25 to the host. I dial, I get CONNECT 1200, i get a few characters,
one of which seems to be an ENQ, then it hangs up on me immediately.

Any insight is appreciated!

Thanks,
Michael

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: X.25 7E1, help?
Date: 20 Sep 1999 17:02:56 GMT
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In article <37E6520D.42C0C9EE@omegafilters.com>,
Michael Newton  <mnewton@omegafilters.com> wrote:
: I am trying to use C-Kermit to communicate to a point-of-sale host. I am
: using Comtrol Rocketmodems, multimodem cards that use Rockwell chipsets.
: 
We received your message by e-mail and replied to it directly before
your posting appeared.  Normally if you want tech support, you should send
email to kermit-support@columbia.edu, and we'll answer quickly.  If we
can't help you, the newsgroup would be a recourse.  Please don't send the
same help request to both the newsgroup and the email address -- one or
the other will do just fine.

- Frank

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From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler)
Subject: Updated installation procedure for CMS Kermit
Date: 20 Sep 1999 16:53:18 GMT
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The installation procedure for CMS Kermit-370, IKCINS EXEC contained
in the file IKCKER INS, has been updated to reflect the availability
of the "high level" assembler with recent releases of VM.  Now, if the
EXEC does not find HASM on the system, it looks for ASMA90 and ASMAHL
and uses the first one found as the default assembler for Kermit.  As
before, the installer may override the default with any desired
assembler during installation.

At the same time, the installation procedure no longer treats the
absence of HASM as a signal for the 370-mode-only option that was
offered with CMS release 7.

This update does not make any changes in Kermit itself -- only in the
automated installation procedure.  Other variants of Kermit-370 (such
as TSO) are not affected.

The revised file, like the previous version, is found in the "b" area
of Kermit distribution in all the usual places: ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu, email from kermsrv@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu, tape,
etc.

                                        John Chandler
                                        pepmnt@watsun.columbia.edu

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From: Enoch Wu <enochw@scn.org>
Subject: Re: Screen echo on closing connection - C-Kermit7 b10
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:11:58 GMT
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In article <7s0mo2$onv$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
  fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
> In article <7s0hrh$a7g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Enoch Wu  <enochw@scn.org>
wrote:
> : After closing modem connection and exiting out of Kermit, I was
back to
> : my login shell.  At this point, I got ">" for each command I type on
> : the keyboard. However, commands got executed correctly.
> :
> : What went wrong ?
> :
> : Platform Info:  UWIN 2.0 Unix for Windows.
> : C-Kermit 7.0 beta10, compiled using GCC 2.95, by myself.
> :
> You tried to run software for UNIX on Windows.  There is absolutely no
> support for this.  If it works you are very lucky.  If it doesn't
work, the
> only advice you'll get from us is to use the software that we have
spent
> five years developing for your Windows platform.  This we can and do
support.
>
> - Frank
>

I have not been quite so lucky.  It was pretty rough to get it
compiled. It was even harder to get it to communicate with the COM
ports.

For a price of $50+, I'd go with the Windows version.  That's a real
bargain.  Now let me go back to doing engineering. Let the pro do the
software programming.

Thanks for your support.

- EW


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From: "A. Moksel AG" <amokselag@t-online.de>
Subject: Kermit on SCO OS 5.0.5
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:06:59 +0200
Organization: T-Online
Message-ID: <37E774E3.C33EB50E@t-online.de>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hi,

I have the following problems on SCO OS 5.0.5.
I log in from one system (Windows, Unix, etc using Kermit, Hyperterm,
etc) into a SCO system via a modem connection (getty).
Now I would transfer a file, I call Kermit, do a send file.txt. At this
point I get a core from the kermit on the
SCO System.
But when I dial out from this machine into another system everything
works fine.
I tried this with a V6 and the new V7 beta Version of kermit.

Whats wrong here????

regards,

S. Nisslbeck.



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Kermit on SCO OS 5.0.5
Date: 21 Sep 1999 13:34:27 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7s81h3$l01$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <37E774E3.C33EB50E@t-online.de>,
A. Moksel AG <amokselag@t-online.de> wrote:
: I have the following problems on SCO OS 5.0.5.  I log in from one system
: (Windows, Unix, etc using Kermit, Hyperterm, etc) into a SCO system via a
: modem connection (getty).  Now I would transfer a file, I call Kermit, do
: a send file.txt. At this point I get a core from the kermit on the SCO
: System.  But when I dial out from this machine into another system
: everything works fine.  I tried this with a V6 and the new V7 beta Version
: of kermit.
: 
: Whats wrong here????
: 
Please be specific about versions.  Which V7 Beta version?  Did you get
a prebuilt binary from our website or did you build from source?  If so,
which compiler did you use?

If you got a prebuilt binary, did you get the right one?  That is, the
one that was built on and for SCO 5.0.5?

Can you get a traceback from the core file?

- Frank

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From: djprice@mindspring.com (David Price)
Subject: rzsz with C-kermit & Solaris
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:34:10 GMT
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
Message-ID: <37ea1ce0.176424958@news.mindspring.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I am attempting to use sz with C-kermit on a Solaris 2.6 X86 system
without much success.  The rzsz version is 3.49 from Omen Tech.
C-kermit is version 6.0.192.  The problem is as follows:

- I connect and login to the remote site successfully using kermit.
- I enter the following command within kermit:
	!sz -v file_to_send </dev/cua/b >/dev/cua/b
- The following is echoed back to the screen a few times:
	**B0100000000027fed4
- Finally, the following is echoed back:
	sz: timeout waiting for ZRINIT.
- This same thing happens if I enter the same sz command from the
shell once connected (without the ! of course).

I have made no modifications to the serial port via the Solaris
admintool or pmadm.

Any help or insight on this would be appreciated.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: rzsz with C-kermit & Solaris
Date: 23 Sep 1999 15:45:16 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7sdhuc$9hc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <37ea1ce0.176424958@news.mindspring.com>,
David Price <djprice@mindspring.com> wrote:
: I am attempting to use sz with C-kermit on a Solaris 2.6 X86 system
: without much success.  The rzsz version is 3.49 from Omen Tech.
: C-kermit is version 6.0.192.  The problem is as follows:
: 
: - I connect and login to the remote site successfully using kermit.
: - I enter the following command within kermit:
: 	!sz -v file_to_send </dev/cua/b >/dev/cua/b
: - The following is echoed back to the screen a few times:
: 	**B0100000000027fed4
:
This indicates that your version of sz does not work on standard i/o
and therefore cannot be redirected to Kermit's communications connection.

: - Finally, the following is echoed back:
: 	sz: timeout waiting for ZRINIT.
: - This same thing happens if I enter the same sz command from the
: shell once connected (without the ! of course).
: 
: I have made no modifications to the serial port via the Solaris
: admintool or pmadm.
: 
: Any help or insight on this would be appreciated.
:
Read any of:

 1. Chapter 14 of "Using C-Kermit": Using External Protocols.

 2. Item 38 of the Kermit FAQ:

      http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
      ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

- Frank

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From: djprice@mindspring.com (David Price)
Subject: Re: rzsz with C-kermit & Solaris
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:28:40 GMT
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
Message-ID: <37ea7bcf.200731823@news.mindspring.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:

>In article <37ea1ce0.176424958@news.mindspring.com>,
>David Price <djprice@mindspring.com> wrote:
>: I am attempting to use sz with C-kermit on a Solaris 2.6 X86 system
>: without much success.  The rzsz version is 3.49 from Omen Tech.
>: C-kermit is version 6.0.192.  The problem is as follows:
>: 
>: - I connect and login to the remote site successfully using kermit.
>: - I enter the following command within kermit:
>: 	!sz -v file_to_send </dev/cua/b >/dev/cua/b
>: - The following is echoed back to the screen a few times:
>: 	**B0100000000027fed4
>:
>This indicates that your version of sz does not work on standard i/o
>and therefore cannot be redirected to Kermit's communications connection.
>
>: - Finally, the following is echoed back:
>: 	sz: timeout waiting for ZRINIT.
>: - This same thing happens if I enter the same sz command from the
>: shell once connected (without the ! of course).
>: 
>: I have made no modifications to the serial port via the Solaris
>: admintool or pmadm.
>: 
>: Any help or insight on this would be appreciated.
>:
>Read any of:
>
> 1. Chapter 14 of "Using C-Kermit": Using External Protocols.
>
> 2. Item 38 of the Kermit FAQ:
>
>      http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
>      ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt
>
>- Frank

Frank,

Thanks for the pointers.  I have purchased your "Using C-Kermit" and
have found it an extremely useful and well written book.

Your item 38 in the Kermit FAQ has me somewhat confused.  In
particular, choice 3 to "License modern versions .... from Omen" - do
you mean simply to download the lastest version on Omen's web site or
is there some other version that must be purchased?  I have heard this
same thing from others as well from others.  Some have recommended
crzsz (I did try this and did not have any success).  

The above problem appears to have had nothing to do with Kermit and sz
- it was a basic scripting issue on Solaris.  I say "appears" because
I did see something going out the modem as well as in the /tmp/szlog
but have not yet been able to contact the remote technical contact to
verify the condition of the file I send.  The following redirection
metacharacters solved the above problem:

      !sz -v file_to_send </dev/cua/b >/dev/cua/b 2>&1



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: rzsz with C-kermit & Solaris
Date: 23 Sep 1999 20:00:00 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7se0s0$mqr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <37ea7bcf.200731823@news.mindspring.com>,
David Price <djprice@mindspring.com> wrote:

[asking about using rz/sz as an external protocol to C-Kermit...]

: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
: >
: >Read any of:
: >
: > 1. Chapter 14 of "Using C-Kermit": Using External Protocols.
: >
: > 2. Item 38 of the Kermit FAQ:
: >
: >      http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
: >      ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt
: 
: Thanks for the pointers.  I have purchased your "Using C-Kermit" and
: have found it an extremely useful and well written book.
: 
: Your item 38 in the Kermit FAQ has me somewhat confused.  In
: particular, choice 3 to "License modern versions .... from Omen" - do
: you mean simply to download the lastest version on Omen's web site or
: is there some other version that must be purchased?  I have heard this
: same thing from others as well from others.  Some have recommended
: crzsz (I did try this and did not have any success).  
: 
I don't know.  Omen Technology is its own company with its own policies
and products.

: The above problem appears to have had nothing to do with Kermit and sz
: - it was a basic scripting issue on Solaris.  I say "appears" because
: I did see something going out the modem as well as in the /tmp/szlog
: but have not yet been able to contact the remote technical contact to
: verify the condition of the file I send.  The following redirection
: metacharacters solved the above problem:
: 
:  !sz -v file_to_send </dev/cua/b >/dev/cua/b 2>&1
: 
If your sz program transfers files on standard input and standard output,
it can be redirected this way, or for that matter treated as an external
protocol by C-Kermit as described in Chapter 14 of the manual, in which
case you need only:

  set protocol zmodem

and then use regular file-transfer commands like SEND, etc.

Whether your sz program uses stdio is an issue you'll need resolve with
the supplier of your sz program.

I might suggest that if you could Kermit protocol instead of Zmodem in
this sitation, your task would be much simplified.  However, I can't speak
for Omen or its products.

- Frank

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From: no_spam@adams.patriot.net ()
Subject: CLEAR failure?
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:10:13 GMT
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Message-ID: <ruur5lke3i571@corp.supernews.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

This loop in my MS-Kermit 3.15 dialing script appears to be
infinite. Is there something I'm missing about the CLEAR and
REINPUT commands? I would expect REINPUT 0 <anything> to fail
after the input buffer has been cleared.
 
	clear
:clear_loop
	reinput 0 CARRIER
	if failure forward clear_exit
	echo DEBUG: Buffer did not clear
	clear
	pause 1
	if failure forward user_cancelled
	goto clear_loop
:clear_exit

Thanks,

David Winfrey
first_initial L last_initial at patriot dot net


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: CLEAR failure?
Date: 27 Sep 1999 13:32:58 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7snrma$gii$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <ruur5lke3i571@corp.supernews.com>,
 <no_spam@adams.patriot.net> wrote:
: This loop in my MS-Kermit 3.15 dialing script appears to be
: infinite. Is there something I'm missing about the CLEAR and
: REINPUT commands? I would expect REINPUT 0 <anything> to fail
: after the input buffer has been cleared.
:  
: 	clear
: :clear_loop
: 	reinput 0 CARRIER
: 	if failure forward clear_exit
: 	echo DEBUG: Buffer did not clear
: 	clear
: 	pause 1
: 	if failure forward user_cancelled
: 	goto clear_loop
: :clear_exit
: 
MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit/K95 differ somewhat in this area and
quite honestly, I'm not sure what CLEAR does in MS-DOS Kermit
when the subsequent keyword is omitted (the relevant options in
this case are are INPUT-BUFFER, DEVICE-BUFFER, or BOTH).

In any case, the addition of MINPUT makes REINPUT pretty much
superfluous.  See the sample scripts at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskscripts.html

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Subject: Re: CLEAR failure?
Message-ID: <MwRIAFVTXkAR@cc.usu.edu>
Date: 27 Sep 99 10:11:45 MDT
Organization: Utah State University
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <ruur5lke3i571@corp.supernews.com>, no_spam@adams.patriot.net () writes:
> This loop in my MS-Kermit 3.15 dialing script appears to be
> infinite. Is there something I'm missing about the CLEAR and
> REINPUT commands? I would expect REINPUT 0 <anything> to fail
> after the input buffer has been cleared.
>  
> 	clear
> :clear_loop
> 	reinput 0 CARRIER
> 	if failure forward clear_exit
> 	echo DEBUG: Buffer did not clear
> 	clear
> 	pause 1
> 	if failure forward user_cancelled
> 	goto clear_loop
> :clear_exit
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David Winfrey
---------
	The CLEAR command removes existing material. More importantly
REINPUT looks at existing material and there is no command above to get
fresh material. Thus a failure of REINPUT will persist. The better approach
would be to use INPUT rather than REINPUT.
	Joe D.


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From: tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Subject: (Q) Double linefeed
Date: 29 Sep 1999 03:59:12 +0100
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Message-ID: <7srva0$fjm$1@boole.maths.tcd.ie>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I am linking from one unix system to another,
using "kermit -j beta:7001"
to go through an annex terminal server (called beta)
to which the modem is attached.
It works quite well,
except that when I press ENTER I get 2 linefeeds on the remote machine.
When I press ^J I get just one.
Is this something I could correct with kermit?
Or is it a function of the terminal server?

Any suggestions or advice gratefully received.

-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: (Q) Double linefeed
Date: 29 Sep 1999 05:41:13 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7srva0$fjm$1@boole.maths.tcd.ie>,
Timothy Murphy <tim@maths.tcd.ie> wrote:
: I am linking from one unix system to another,
: using "kermit -j beta:7001"
: to go through an annex terminal server (called beta)
: to which the modem is attached.
: It works quite well,
: except that when I press ENTER I get 2 linefeeds on the remote machine.
: When I press ^J I get just one.
: Is this something I could correct with kermit?
: Or is it a function of the terminal server?
: 
: Any suggestions or advice gratefully received.


Try 

 SET TELNET NEWLINE NVT OFF

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: "quertyq@hotmail.com" <quertyq@hotmail.com>
Subject: K95 & Polling script
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:45:52 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Good Morning:

I am running Kermit 95 ver 1.1.17, and I just noticed on the kermit
web site that the "set file incomplete discard" and the
"set server idle timeout" functions may not be functional or
conditionally functional until the next version.

I am writing a polling program, so these 2 functions are quite
important to the program.  In the instance of "set server idle
timeout", it was recommended to "set reliable off".  What does that
do to the program?  ( I could not find that setting anywhere in the
manual )

Is there any news when that new version or patch may be?

Is this just Kermit 95 that is affected ( as opposed to C-Kermit
running on a UN*X platform )?

Thanks!

Matt


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Before you buy.

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: K95 & Polling script
Date: 29 Sep 1999 13:29:46 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7st48a$102$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7st1ls$vju$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
quertyq@hotmail.com  <quertyq@hotmail.com> wrote:
: Good Morning:
: 
: I am running Kermit 95 ver 1.1.17, and I just noticed on the kermit
: web site that the "set file incomplete discard" and the
: "set server idle timeout" functions may not be functional or
: conditionally functional until the next version.

As a registered user you may request access to beta builds that
include fixes to bugs that interfere with your use of the program.

: I am writing a polling program, so these 2 functions are quite
: important to the program.  In the instance of "set server idle
: timeout", it was recommended to "set reliable off".  What does that
: do to the program?  ( I could not find that setting anywhere in the
: manual )

Information on SET RELIABLE and Kermit Protocol Streaming mode is
available in the "Updates to Using C-Kermit 2nd Edition" that ships
on disk with Kermit 95.  Streaming mode improves performance by 
removing the ability to retransmit a Kermit packet if it has been
damaged.  This mode can only be used successfully if the underlying
transport mechanism is reliable (it won't loss or re-order data).
TCP/IP is such a transport layer.   When streaming is used in 1.1.17
all timeouts are disabled therefore the IDLE-TIMEOUT cannot be 
detected.

Under what circumstances are you using a SERVER idle timeout on a 
TCP/IP connection?  If you are concerned about the SET FILE INCOMPLETE 
DISCARD bug with its interaction with SET CARRIER-WATCH then you
are not using TCP/IP connections.

: Is there any news when that new version or patch may be?

The next version of Kermit 95 will not be released until after
C-Kermit 7.0 is finalized.  We do not have additional information 
beyond that.

: Is this just Kermit 95 that is affected ( as opposed to C-Kermit
: running on a UN*X platform )?

The current C-Kermit 7.0 Beta does not suffer from either of these bugs.  


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: "Rolin Meyer" <rmeyer@pactide.noaa.gov>
Subject: Single character translation during "log session"
Message-ID: <t7vI3.476$ZV1.19433@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:02:17 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I am currently running C-Kermit 6.0.192 for IRIX 6.X and am using "log
session" to capture remote data to file, then decode it.  I need to
translate incoming ASCII 000 (null) to ASCII 024 ($) in order to hold the
character placement and not corrupt the decoding process.  I have the "Using
C-Kermit" manual but only find character set translation.  Translating on
the file after the capture is too late, the null placement is already lost.
Any help is appreciated!



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Single character translation during "log session"
Date: 29 Sep 1999 21:53:11 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7su1o7$1db$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <t7vI3.476$ZV1.19433@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>,
Rolin Meyer <rmeyer@pactide.noaa.gov> wrote:
: I am currently running C-Kermit 6.0.192 for IRIX 6.X and am using "log
: session" to capture remote data to file, then decode it.  I need to
: translate incoming ASCII 000 (null) to ASCII 024 ($) in order to hold the
: character placement and not corrupt the decoding process.  I have the "Using
: C-Kermit" manual but only find character set translation.  Translating on
: the file after the capture is too late, the null placement is already lost.
: Any help is appreciated!
: 
Use:

  SET SESSION-LOG BINARY
  LOG SESSION <filename>

This preserves the NULs.

- Frank

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From: "obesatl" <kent.oberbeck@ndcorp.com>
Subject: Trouble sending file using CLEO Kermit Protocol to a C-Kermit Host...
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:04:10 -0400
Organization: National Data Corporation
Message-ID: <7t0tsi$17q3$1@snoopy.ndcorp.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hello -
     I am running CLEO A+ on a DEC Alpha connecting to a MVS system using
C-Kermit.  Each time that I try sending a zipped file, I receive the
following message:  "Bad packet count or chksum" and "Remote terminated with
error".  If I send the file unzipped, the transmission succeeds.  Any ideas
what may be causing this problem.  I have no problems at all using Procomm
Plus version 2.11.  Any suggestions would be appreciated...

Thanks,
Kent.
kentoberbeck@yahoo.com




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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Trouble sending file using CLEO Kermit Protocol to a C-Kermit Host...
Date: 1 Oct 1999 00:23:23 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7t0utr$ktf$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7t0tsi$17q3$1@snoopy.ndcorp.com>,
obesatl <kent.oberbeck@ndcorp.com> wrote:
: I am running CLEO A+ on a DEC Alpha...
:
And the Alpha is running what operating system?  VMS?  OSF/1?  Linux?
Windows NT?  Digital/Tru64 Unix? ...

: ... connecting to a MVS system using C-Kermit.
:
Do you really mean MVS?  Or do you mean VMS?  There is no straightforward
way to make a connection to an IBM mainframe with C-Kermit, except if the
mainframe allows linemode sessions.

: Each time that I try sending a zipped file, I receive the
: following message:  "Bad packet count or chksum" and "Remote terminated with
: error".  If I send the file unzipped, the transmission succeeds.  Any ideas
: what may be causing this problem.  I have no problems at all using Procomm
: Plus version 2.11.  Any suggestions would be appreciated...
: 
Shot in the dark: Try telling Kermit to "set parity space".

If that doesn't do it, please specify what software and version you have on
each end of the connection, and what kind of connection it is.

- Frank

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From: Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net>
Subject: Re: Sample Scripts
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:16:13 -0700
Organization: Not Very Much
Message-ID: <37F4439C.A84E0D74@value.net>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

"B. Shervey" wrote:
> 
> I need reference material on creating Kermit scripts (any sample will do).
> ftp to kermit.columbia.edu doesn't work.
> 
> Rookie!

See http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/scriptlib.html

(Also, comp.protocols.kermit is obsolete, use comp.protocols.kermit.misc
instead.)

-- 
Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: C-Kermit 7.0 for OpenStep and/or Mac OS X
Date: 1 Oct 1999 14:21:31 GMT
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


C-Kermit software (serial communications, Telnet, Rlogin, terminal
connection, file transfer, scripting, paging, character-set translation)
is due for a major new release; version 7.0 is in the late stages of
Beta testing:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

Although it has been built and tested on NeXTSTEP 3.1 thru 3.3, so far it
has not been exposed to the newer NeXTSTEP offspring: OpenStep, OS X,
Rhapsody.  Anyone who would be interested in trying to build C-Kermit on
any of these, please let me know.

Thanks!

- Frank

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From: "Tim O'Shea" <timos@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Modem Reset
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:01:44 +0100
Message-ID: <37f4ccff.0@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

When using the alphapage script to send messages to a TAP Pager, the modem
is either not reset, or is reset incorrectly, specifically, it won't allow
dial-in operations after sending the pager message.  How do I amend the
alphapage script to perform a reset to stored profile 0 after the message
has been sent?


--
Tim O'Shea
Systems Administrator - Managed Services
Lynx Financial Systems (UK) Limited
E-mail: timos@lfs.co.uk




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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Modem Reset
Date: 1 Oct 1999 16:18:40 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <37f4ccff.0@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net>,
Tim O'Shea <timos@bigfoot.com> wrote:
: When using the alphapage script to send messages to a TAP Pager, the
: modem is either not reset, or is reset incorrectly, specifically, it
: won't allow dial-in operations after sending the pager message.  How do
: I amend the alphapage script to perform a reset to stored profile 0 after
: the message has been sent?
: 
You are doing this on Unix?  As you can guess, bidirectional ttys are a
horrible nightmare in Unix.  Each Unix platform handles them differently,
if at all, and the modem must be configured with extreme care to (inter
alia) automatically restore some custom preloaded profile from NVRAM
whenever a call hangs up.  And then getty (mgetty, uugetty, etc etc blah
blah) is supposed to notice when this happens and seize control of the
modem once again.  The dialout program should not need to know anything
about this, and how could it?  Setups like this are always site-specific,
platform- specific, and modem-specific.

So the real answer is to look elsewhere: in the modem configuration and in
the platform's configuration for the device.

Of course you can always change the script to do something like:

  set carrier-watch off
  output AT&F0S0=1\13

or somesuch after hanging up the call, but that will break if the modem
changes.

- Frank

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From: "art1958" <artNOSPAM1958@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Modem Reset
Message-ID: <ye6J3.1648$%62.34851@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:32:14 GMT
Organization: Talkway, Inc.
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

You may wish to set the modem register &D3 which will reset the modem
to stored settings whenever DTR is dropped such as when C-Kermit
releases the tty or a dial in/out connection finishes.  For
Rockwell-v34 based modems on SCO UNIX it works well.  YMMV

On 1 Oct 1999 16:18:40 GMT fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
wrote:
> In article <37f4ccff.0@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net>,
> Tim O'Shea <timos@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> : When using the alphapage script to send messages to a TAP Pager, the
> : modem is either not reset, or is reset incorrectly, specifically, it
> : won't allow dial-in operations after sending the pager message.  How do
> : I amend the alphapage script to perform a reset to stored profile 0 after
> : the message has been sent?
> : 
> You are doing this on Unix?  As you can guess, bidirectional ttys are a
> horrible nightmare in Unix.  Each Unix platform handles them differently,
> if at all, and the modem must be configured with extreme care to (inter
> alia) automatically restore some custom preloaded profile from NVRAM
> whenever a call hangs up.  And then getty (mgetty, uugetty, etc etc blah
> blah) is supposed to notice when this happens and seize control of the
> modem once again.  The dialout program should not need to know anything
> about this, and how could it?  Setups like this are always site-specific,
> platform- specific, and modem-specific.
> 
> So the real answer is to look elsewhere: in the modem configuration and in
> the platform's configuration for the device.
> 
> Of course you can always change the script to do something like:
> 
>   set carrier-watch off
>   output AT&F0S0=1\13
> 
> or somesuch after hanging up the call, but that will break if the modem
> changes.
> 
> - Frank
--
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From: <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.19.10.2.11.48.20.2375661496.5870477@kincyb.com>
Subject: C-kermit PPP dialing
Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

(Probably best to also email any followup to this to me direct,
as well as posting it, since I read c.p.k.m sporadicly lately.)

This may be old hat, but I haven't seen anything similar 
in the docs spelled out explicitly, so here.......
There's some mention of using C-Kermit, with the redirect command, as
a PPP dialer in the doc files for recent versions, but below is the method
I've been using for a couple of months with Debian Linux 2.1.
The 'unused' parts of C-Kermit probably get swapped out to disk
while tied up with the redirect command, but this alternate method
works for me and this question can't come up.
I had this idea after looking at the docs on how to use
external file transfer protocols, and the variable \v(ttyfd).
Also, maybe this works because PPP is ignoring the lock files,
(maybe I don't understand them completely).
Anyway, here's the script:


# C-Kermit PPPd dialer script.
askq \%a {Password: }
mydial <ISP phone number here>
input 30 Login:
output <user-id here>\13
input 30 ssword:
output \%a\13
#   redirect pppd
#  quit
run nohup  pppd   <&\v(ttyfd)  >&\v(ttyfd)   &
pause 7
run ifconfig
# hangup        # works OK if hangup here



Regards, Dallas E. Legan II / dallasii@kincyb.com  / leganii@surfree.com



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From: David Stes <stes@pandora.be>
Organization: http://users.pandora.be/stes
Subject: no dialtone problem
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 12:28:39 +0200
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


Hello,

My cable television company is also offering me telephone service.  They
installed a Motorola modem and a telephone set (connected to the modem)
for this (in addition to a different cable modem for internet service).

I was trying to dial out now over that telephone line.

I do :

	set line /dev/ttyS1
	set speed 19200
	set modem type zoom
	dial <number>

which results in the Motorola telephone<->cable modem doing two clicks,
short after another, and then I get a no dial tone.  I've tried dialing
out with set dial ignore-dialtone but this makes no difference.  I've
tried both pulse and tone dialing.

With the telephone set on the other hand, that they installed for me,
when the telephone goes off the hook, I can hear the Motorola doing only
single click (and then indeed, I do hear a dialtone).

So setup is : cable <-> motorola modem <-> zoom pcmcia modem <->
computer 

Any suggestions on what commands I could issue to kermit to make this
work ? 

I've been thinking that maybe I should somehow connect the motorola
modem directly to my computer, but it only has "power", "coax" and
"telephone RJ-11" connectors, it seems.

Sorry, I have no idea what type of modem etc. this is.  Their support
site has no info on this.

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From: David Stes <stes@pandora.be>
Organization: http://users.pandora.be/stes
Subject: Re: no dialtone problem
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 13:47:48 +0200
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

David Stes wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> My cable television company is also offering me telephone service.  They
> ...
> Any suggestions on what commands I could issue to kermit to make this
> work ?


Never mind.  It looks like I now have no dialtone at all any more.
Also not with my telephone.

I used to have a tone with telephone, but not with modem ... but now
it's completely messed up.

Anyway, it's not a kermit issue.  Sorry for posting this.

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: no dialtone problem
Date: 3 Oct 1999 11:47:25 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7t7fod$m98$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <37F72FD7.46BD5642@pandora.be>, David Stes  <stes@pandora.be> wrote:
: 
: Hello,
: 
: My cable television company is also offering me telephone service.  They
: installed a Motorola modem and a telephone set (connected to the modem)
: for this (in addition to a different cable modem for internet service).
: 
: I was trying to dial out now over that telephone line.
: 
: I do :
: 
: 	set line /dev/ttyS1
: 	set speed 19200
: 	set modem type zoom
: 	dial <number>
: 
:<deleted>
: 
: Sorry, I have no idea what type of modem etc. this is.  Their support
: site has no info on this.

If you have no idea what type of modem it is, why are you using 
modem type 'zoom'?

You will need to find out what kind of modem it is in order to be able
to issue the correct commands to the modem to ignore dialtone.
Try using ATI0 to ATI12 to see what you can find out.



    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: David Stes <stes@pandora.be>
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Subject: Re: no dialtone problem
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 14:50:38 +0200
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Jeffrey Altman wrote:
> 
> If you have no idea what type of modem it is, why are you using
> modem type 'zoom'?

The pcmcia modem is indeed a zoom 56k modem.  I'm using it successfully
with Belgacom (traditional telephone company in Belgium).  I just can't
use it with Telenet (new telephone company here).

> You will need to find out what kind of modem it is in order to be able
> to issue the correct commands to the modem to ignore dialtone.
> Try using ATI0 to ATI12 to see what you can find out.

It is a zoom pc-card modem ... As I said, I have a zoom modem connected
to this "cable <-> telephone modem" that the cable company (telenet)
installed.

It's a bit complicated: the cable company installed two "modems" (1) a
modem for cable <-> ethernet, but that has nothing to do with the
current discussion, then there is (2) a modem for cable <-> telephone
and (3) there's my regular zoom modem (in my computer).

I thought I could connect (3) to (2) to make a call (to a BBS).

This may sound silly at first; you may say, why not using modem (1) for
internet access.  That's exactly what I'm doing now (via ethernet
connected to modem (1)).

But to dial-in into services that are not on the internet, but do have a
telephone number that I can dial to, I still need to go over a telephone
line.

Sorry if it all doesn't make sense ...


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From: "Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64)" <cyoner@americasm01.nt.com>
Subject: carrier-watch. How do I set it off???
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:10:58 -0400
Organization: Nortel
Message-ID: <37F8B572.F0134ECF@americasm01.nt.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I am running a script which starts kermit as follows:

kermit -C "log session $2, c, exit" -l /dev/$1 -b 9600

With kermt 7.0 beta (i am running Linux 6.0) it barks about the
"carrier" and I have to set it "OFF"
Yes I am just talking to a device ( not a modem) via TTYS1.
So am looking for a command-line option to add to the above kermit call

Thanks for any help
Clint


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: carrier-watch. How do I set it off???
Date: 4 Oct 1999 15:57:55 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7taiq3$442$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <37F8B572.F0134ECF@americasm01.nt.com>,
Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64) <cyoner@americasm01.nt.com> wrote:
: I am running a script which starts kermit as follows:
: 
:   kermit -C "log session $2, c, exit" -l /dev/$1 -b 9600
: 
: With kermt 7.0 beta (i am running Linux 6.0) it barks about the
: "carrier" and I have to set it "OFF"
: Yes I am just talking to a device ( not a modem) via TTYS1.
: So am looking for a command-line option to add to the above kermit call
: 
We don't have command-line options that correspond to every command and
setting.  That's what the -C "commandlist" escape clause is for:

  kermit -C "set car of, set lin /dev/$1, set sp 9600, l s $2, c, ex"

(Minimal abbreviations are used to keep the line length down.)  The trick is
to put everything in the command list, because when you mix a command list
with command-line options, the order of execution might not be what you
expect (see "Using C-Kermit", pp.461-462, for details).

C-Kermit 7.0 supports a new execution method, called the "kerbang" script,
in which Kermit scripts can be run as if they were shell scripts (or Perl
scripts, etc), with arguments passed on the command line.  Here is a sample,
which illustrates how to add robustness (arguments are checked for, errors
are handled, etc):

  #!/usr/local/bin/wermit +
  if not def \%1 exit 1 \%0: Device name required
  if not def \%2 exit 1 \%0: Logfile name required
  log session \%2
  if fail exit 1 Can't open logfile \%2
  set modem type none
  set carrier-watch off
  set line /dev/\%1
  if fail exit 1 Can't open /dev/\%1
  set speed 9600
  connect
  exit

Save it as "makeaconnection" and then you can:

  $ makeaconnection ttyS0 foo.log

For details, plus lots of examples of kerbang scripts, see:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html

- Frank

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From: "Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64)" <cyoner@americasm01.nt.com>
Subject: cut and paste problem in kermit only
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:51:35 -0400
Organization: Nortel
Message-ID: <37F90546.79C759A6@americasm01.nt.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


I am running kermit 7.0 beta on linux 6.0
The problem is cut & paste (in the kermit window) does not work when I
am running kermit.
Kermit is talking thru ttyS3 to a RS232 device ( not a modem)
If on the LINUX prompt I highlight text it pastes in NO problem.
But in the Kermit window it pastes in only part of the string (first 2
char and last char most of the time)

any comments?

Thanks in advance

Clint Yoner



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: cut and paste problem in kermit only
Date: 4 Oct 1999 21:13:26 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7tb59m$l0q$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <37F90546.79C759A6@americasm01.nt.com>,
Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64) <cyoner@americasm01.nt.com> wrote:
: 
: I am running kermit 7.0 beta on linux 6.0
: The problem is cut & paste (in the kermit window) does not work when I
: am running kermit.
: Kermit is talking thru ttyS3 to a RS232 device ( not a modem)
: If on the LINUX prompt I highlight text it pastes in NO problem.
: But in the Kermit window it pastes in only part of the string (first 2
: char and last char most of the time)
: 
There's no such thing as a Kermit window.  Kermit is a plain old regular
standard-in/standard-out application, which you run in some kind of
window -- xterm, console, whatever.  Kermit itself knows nothing about
copying and pasting -- this is a function of the window, completely
transparent to and independent of Kermit.

- Frank

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From: dkcombs@netcom.com (David Combs)
Subject: LEGAL-KERMIT: may an ISP put up KERMIT (free) for customer use?
Date: 5 Oct 1999 02:32:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Message-ID: <7tbnvv$46k@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Because the fellow who kept a recent and correctly-compiled
version of kermit has evidently abandoned using netcom,
there remains only a half-working version -- one that
downloads ok, but gets errors on uploading.

Mindspring (bought netcom) is saying that one of us
USERS has to put up a kermit, it we want one.

Well, they allow us only 5mb of disk; over that, they
CHARGE.

One person from mindspring was saying that their hands
were tied because your free-use license disallowed
any "commercial" use -- including, they inferred, as an
ISP, for their customers.

QUESTION:  just what IS the situation?

And, if there is a charge for "commercial" use (like by mindspring),
HOW MUCH of a charge is it?

Thanks!

David Combs

PS: that KERMIT is a WONDERFUL package indeed!

esp with all the error-catching it does, and the ability
to resume a download after a crashed session, and still
lose nothing.


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From: Bob McNamara <bob@mindspring.net>
Subject: Re: LEGAL-KERMIT: may an ISP put up KERMIT (free) for customer use?
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 23:19:28 -0700
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Inc./Netcom Transition Team
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

We continue to supply space for the NUGLOPS files. I'd imagine the
best place for this would be right in with those. 

Bob



On 5 Oct 1999 02:32:31 GMT, dkcombs@netcom.com (David Combs) wrote:

:>Because the fellow who kept a recent and correctly-compiled
:>version of kermit has evidently abandoned using netcom,
:>there remains only a half-working version -- one that
:>downloads ok, but gets errors on uploading.
:>
:>Mindspring (bought netcom) is saying that one of us
:>USERS has to put up a kermit, it we want one.
:>
:>Well, they allow us only 5mb of disk; over that, they
:>CHARGE.
:>
:>One person from mindspring was saying that their hands
:>were tied because your free-use license disallowed
:>any "commercial" use -- including, they inferred, as an
:>ISP, for their customers.
:>
:>QUESTION:  just what IS the situation?
:>
:>And, if there is a charge for "commercial" use (like by mindspring),
:>HOW MUCH of a charge is it?
:>
:>Thanks!
:>
:>David Combs
:>
:>PS: that KERMIT is a WONDERFUL package indeed!
:>
:>esp with all the error-catching it does, and the ability
:>to resume a download after a crashed session, and still
:>lose nothing.


Bob McNamara    bob@mindspring.net
Customer Advocate/Netcom Transition Team
MindSpring Enterprises Inc. 
1430 W. Peachtree Atlanta, GA 30309 (404) 815 0770 x 22205
http://www.mindspring.com
"A ship is safe in the harbor, but that is not why ships are built"

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From: "Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64)" <cyoner@americasm01.nt.com>
Subject: Re: cut and paste problem in kermit only
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 08:04:35 -0400
Organization: Nortel
Message-ID: <37F9E953.DE62769E@americasm01.nt.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Frank da Cruz wrote:

> In article <37F90546.79C759A6@americasm01.nt.com>,
> Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64) <cyoner@americasm01.nt.com> wrote:
> :
> : I am running kermit 7.0 beta on linux 6.0
> : The problem is cut & paste (in the kermit window) does not work when I
> : am running kermit.
> : Kermit is talking thru ttyS3 to a RS232 device ( not a modem)
> : If on the LINUX prompt I highlight text it pastes in NO problem.
> : But in the Kermit window it pastes in only part of the string (first 2
> : char and last char most of the time)
> :
> There's no such thing as a Kermit window.  Kermit is a plain old regular
> standard-in/standard-out application, which you run in some kind of
> window -- xterm, console, whatever.  Kermit itself knows nothing about
> copying and pasting -- this is a function of the window, completely
> transparent to and independent of Kermit.
>
> - Frank

Frank

First; thanks for the "carrier-watch" help

As for this issue, I guess I was not clear.

I am running kermit "IN" a xterm on linux.
If I run any other program (in another xterm) eg "pico";  "cut & paste" (
OK "select/highlight and paste") works fine.
But ONLY in the xterm running KERMIT "cut & paste" ( OK "select/highlight
and paste") does not work.
It pastes in just part of the selected text as noted above.

- Clint


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: cut and paste problem in kermit only
Date: 5 Oct 1999 13:50:28 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7tcvn4$9nt$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <37F9E953.DE62769E@americasm01.nt.com>,
Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64) <cyoner@americasm01.nt.com> wrote:
: As for this issue, I guess I was not clear.
: 
: I am running kermit "IN" a xterm on linux.
: If I run any other program (in another xterm) eg "pico";  "cut & paste" (
: OK "select/highlight and paste") works fine.
: But ONLY in the xterm running KERMIT "cut & paste" ( OK "select/highlight
: and paste") does not work.
: It pastes in just part of the selected text as noted above.

Does it paste the text to the C-Kermit command prompt?

If so, then your problem is flow control to the host.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: LEGAL-KERMIT: may an ISP put up KERMIT (free) for customer use?
Date: 5 Oct 1999 14:01:33 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7td0bt$a7d$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7tbnvv$46k@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>,
David Combs <dkcombs@netcom.com> wrote:
: Because the fellow who kept a recent and correctly-compiled
: version of kermit has evidently abandoned using netcom,
: there remains only a half-working version -- one that
: downloads ok, but gets errors on uploading.
: 
: Mindspring (bought netcom) is saying that one of us
: USERS has to put up a kermit, it we want one.
: 
: Well, they allow us only 5mb of disk; over that, they
: CHARGE.
: 
: One person from mindspring was saying that their hands
: were tied because your free-use license disallowed
: any "commercial" use -- including, they inferred, as an
: ISP, for their customers.
: 
: QUESTION:  just what IS the situation?
: 
See:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/commercial.html

All the restrictions are on the REDISTRIBUTION of Kermit software; in 
other words, on its commoditization.  There is no restriction against
an ISP putting it up on their own site for their customers to use for
file transfer.

Refer them to us if they have any questions:

  kermit@columbia.edu

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: cut and paste problem in kermit only
Date: 5 Oct 1999 13:55:47 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7td013$9ub$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <37F9E953.DE62769E@americasm01.nt.com>,
Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64) <cyoner@americasm01.nt.com> wrote:
: ...
: I am running kermit "IN" a xterm on linux.
: If I run any other program (in another xterm) eg "pico";  "cut & paste" (
: OK "select/highlight and paste") works fine.
: But ONLY in the xterm running KERMIT "cut & paste" ( OK "select/highlight
: and paste") does not work.
: It pastes in just part of the selected text [as noted above].
: 
Yes, but pico is running on the same machine where xterm is running.

Kermit, on the other hand, has a connection to another machine, and
therefore all the caveats of data communications apply.  For example, it is
possible that the text is indeed being pasted into the window, but then
Kermit has to send it to the other computer, and the other computer has to
echo it back, and Kermit has to read the echoes.  For this to work on (for
example) a serial connection requires the connection to be effectively flow
controlled end to end.

If I'm not on target, let's take this offline to kermit-support@columbia.edu.
Give more details about the connection, and what "state" Kermit is in
when you paste to it (command, connect, script execution, ...)

- Frank



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From: dkcombs@netcom.com (David Combs)
Subject: Re: LEGAL-KERMIT: may an ISP put up KERMIT (free) for customer use?
Date: 5 Oct 1999 14:24:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7td0bt$a7d$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>See:
>
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/commercial.html
>
>All the restrictions are on the REDISTRIBUTION of Kermit software; in 
>other words, on its commoditization.  There is no restriction against
>an ISP putting it up on their own site for their customers to use for
>file transfer.
>
>Refer them to us if they have any questions:
>
>  kermit@columbia.edu
>
>- Frank


Thanks, Frank, for the swift, and positive, reply.

I'll see what I can do.

I try to put up the latest six, then later the new seven.

David

PS: and again, thanks for writing/overseeing a wonderful program!



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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:18:22 -0400
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I agree, keep it here, unless there are things that should not be made public:
E.G. custom software code, etc.

Jim

David Combs wrote:

> In article <7td013$9ub$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
> Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
> ><SNIP>
> >If I'm not on target, let's take this offline to kermit-support@columbia.edu.
>
> Actually, it's nice having this conversation appear right here
> on the newsgroup.  You're both talking technical, stuff lots of
> us can learn from.
>
> No one HAS to read it -- just those who want to.
>
> (Just my 2 cents)
>
> David


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From: dkcombs@netcom.com (David Combs)
Subject: Re: cut and paste problem in kermit only
Date: 5 Oct 1999 14:29:46 GMT
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In article <7td013$9ub$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
><SNIP>
>If I'm not on target, let's take this offline to kermit-support@columbia.edu.

Actually, it's nice having this conversation appear right here
on the newsgroup.  You're both talking technical, stuff lots of
us can learn from.

No one HAS to read it -- just those who want to.

(Just my 2 cents)

David




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Subject: Re: cut and paste problem in kermit only
Date: 5 Oct 1999 15:32:47 GMT
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In article <37FA16BD.A8F03B56@tpsdata.com>,
Jim Whitby  <jim@tpsdata.com> wrote:
: David Combs wrote:
: > In article <7td013$9ub$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
: > Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: > ><SNIP>
: > >If I'm not on target, let's take this offline to
: > >kermit-support@columbia.edu.
: >
: > Actually, it's nice having this conversation appear right here
: > on the newsgroup.  You're both talking technical, stuff lots of
: > us can learn from.
: >
: > No one HAS to read it -- just those who want to.
: >
: I agree, keep it here, unless there are things that should not be made
: public: E.G. custom software code, etc.
: 
It's not a question of secrecy -- generally when matters devolve to this
level we start asking to see logs, which might be megabytes of gibberish,
not what you want to see on a newsgroup.  OK, so to be more specific (if
not Pythonesque): continue the discussion on the newsgroup if you wish, as
long as the messages do not contain voluminous logs.  If you post a message
to the newsgroup, please do not also send it to the kermit-support address,
and vice-versa.  The reason for that is simply that email tends to arrive
before news; since we reply to email quickly, the same question shows up in
news afterwards, and we have to answer it again.  In other words, stuff
that makes sense :-)

- Frank

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From: "Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64)" <cyoner@americasm01.nt.com>
Subject: Re: cut and paste problem SOLVED
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 15:39:30 -0400
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Thanks all for your interest.

Frank put me on the right track. I should have known that when i paste to kermit
what I see is the ECHO (or want the device recieved) not the "paste".
That got me thinking. I just did an upgrade to linux 6.0
The "setserial" commands in rc.local worked with REDHAT 5.1 but the default
setting must be changed for REDHAT 6.
So I added "autoconfig" to the end of the "setserial" commands and now it works.

Thanks again
-Clint


>


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From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg)
Subject: Kermit 95 as an ssh client?
Date: 5 Oct 1999 21:32:55 GMT
Organization: UIUC Department of Mathematics
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Kermit 95 is _almost_ perfect. The last feature I would really like is
for kermit to act as an ssh client. 

Any chances of this happening in the near future?

-- 
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Subject: Re: Kermit 95 as an ssh client?
Date: 5 Oct 1999 21:50:05 GMT
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In article <7tdqq7$6se$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
Adam H. Lewenberg <adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu> wrote:
: Kermit 95 is _almost_ perfect. The last feature I would really like is
: for kermit to act as an ssh client. 
: 
: Any chances of this happening in the near future?
: 
Not until the RSA patent runs out, the USA export law is changed, and
various other legal/export/licensing issues are resolved.

I notice you're posting from a large university.  SSH might not be the
best choice in such settings anyway, due to key management/recovery
issues (think about it).

- Frank

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: Kermit 95 as an ssh client?
Date: 5 Oct 1999 22:09:26 GMT
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In article <7tdqq7$6se$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
Adam H. Lewenberg <adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu> wrote:
: Kermit 95 is _almost_ perfect. The last feature I would really like is
: for kermit to act as an ssh client. 
: 
: Any chances of this happening in the near future?

Adam:

Its interesting that you are asking this question (again).
I replied to you on 1 October 1998 in detail as to why the Kermit
Project could not support SSH.  In the last year absolutely nothing
has changed.  The RSA patent is still valid and SSHv2 has still 
not been approved by the IETF.

In addition, it has become clear that SSH, when used with 
Public Key authentication, is a security nightmare when it is used
and the client machine becomes compromised.  While it may be an
acceptable risk for individual users, it is not an acceptable risk
for a system that supports thousands of users.  When a host becomes
root compromised all of the public key files that are found in the
home directories of users may be accessed and used to break into 
additional machines.  Unlike every other authentication mechanism
the SSH public keys cannot be revoked and their reuse cannot be 
prevented. 

As for using SSH to simply prevent the transmission of plain text
passwords, this only prevents a passive sniffer attack.  It does not
prevent an active man in the middle attack, nor does it protect against
a root compromised host stealing passwords when a compromised login
program is installed.  Passwords should never be sent across the network.  
Not when truly secure systems are so easily accessible:

. Secure Remote Password and other Zero Knowledge based systems
. Kerberos varients
. One Time Pads.

While we may very well implement SSHv2 when it is finished, it will
be only with very strong warnings against its use.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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From: rh720@aol.com (RH720)
Subject: getting stuck at SET LINE with AIX 4.1.5
Date: 05 Oct 1999 21:37:22 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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Hello,

I am using C-Kermit 6.0.192 with AIX 4.1.5 - cannot get past SET LINE - the
system always hangs.  I am a PICK applications programmer, so I am far from a
UNIX expert - I did turn getty off on the dev in question though, to no avail. 
Not sure what to do next.  I would appreciate suggestions.

Thanks

Robert Herbin

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From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg)
Subject: Re: Kermit 95 as an ssh client?
Date: 6 Oct 1999 00:11:37 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Message-ID: <7te43p$fqk$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Thank you for your thoughtful reply (again). I did learn something
new, namely the security limitations of ssh. I will look into this
more carefully. 

The advantage of ssh is that all of the machines I connect to have it,
while none of them have srp. As for kerberos, I have not been able to
figure out how to install it on my home machine. 


jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

>In article <7tdqq7$6se$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
>Adam H. Lewenberg <adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>: Kermit 95 is _almost_ perfect. The last feature I would really like is
>: for kermit to act as an ssh client. 
>: 
>: Any chances of this happening in the near future?

>Adam:

>Its interesting that you are asking this question (again).
>I replied to you on 1 October 1998 in detail as to why the Kermit
>Project could not support SSH.  In the last year absolutely nothing
>has changed.  The RSA patent is still valid and SSHv2 has still 
>not been approved by the IETF.

>In addition, it has become clear that SSH, when used with 
>Public Key authentication, is a security nightmare when it is used
>and the client machine becomes compromised.  While it may be an
>acceptable risk for individual users, it is not an acceptable risk
>for a system that supports thousands of users.  When a host becomes
>root compromised all of the public key files that are found in the
>home directories of users may be accessed and used to break into 
>additional machines.  Unlike every other authentication mechanism
>the SSH public keys cannot be revoked and their reuse cannot be 
>prevented. 

>As for using SSH to simply prevent the transmission of plain text
>passwords, this only prevents a passive sniffer attack.  It does not
>prevent an active man in the middle attack, nor does it protect against
>a root compromised host stealing passwords when a compromised login
>program is installed.  Passwords should never be sent across the network.  
>Not when truly secure systems are so easily accessible:

>. Secure Remote Password and other Zero Knowledge based systems
>. Kerberos varients
>. One Time Pads.

>While we may very well implement SSHv2 when it is finished, it will
>be only with very strong warnings against its use.

>    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
>                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
>              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
>  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org
-- 
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Subject: Re: Kermit 95 as an ssh client?
Date: 6 Oct 1999 00:38:36 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <7te43p$fqk$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>,
Adam H. Lewenberg <adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu> wrote:
: Thank you for your thoughtful reply (again). I did learn something
: new, namely the security limitations of ssh. I will look into this
: more carefully. 
: 
: The advantage of ssh is that all of the machines I connect to have it,
: while none of them have srp. As for kerberos, I have not been able to
: figure out how to install it on my home machine. 

Wait a couple of days and check http://web,.mit.edu/kerberos/www/
MIT is about to release Kerberos for Win32 2.0 which provides
Kerberos 4 and Kerberos 5 support for Windows NT and 9x clients.

If you have problems installing it post to comp.protocols.kerberos

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: getting stuck at SET LINE with AIX 4.1.5
Date: 6 Oct 1999 13:17:43 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <19991005173722.21026.00001355@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
RH720 <rh720@aol.com> wrote:
: I am using C-Kermit 6.0.192 with AIX 4.1.5 - cannot get past SET LINE - the
: system always hangs.  I am a PICK applications programmer, so I am far from
: a UNIX expert - I did turn getty off on the dev in question though, to no
: avail.  Not sure what to do next.  I would appreciate suggestions.
: 
Are you trying to set up a modem call?  Did you give a SET MODEM TYPE
command before the SET LINE command, as the manual says?

What does C-Kermit's greeting say when you start it?  It should mention
which AIX version is was built for.  If is says "AIX 3"-point-anything, then
you're running the wrong C-Kermit binary.

In any case, I'd recommend you try C-Kermit 7.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

If it doesn't make the problem go away, send email to
kermit-support@columbia.edu with details.

- Frank

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From: Jim Whitby <jim@tpsdata.com>
Subject: Re: cut and paste problem in kermit only
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 09:08:33 -0400
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Frank da Cruz wrote:

> In article <37FA16BD.A8F03B56@tpsdata.com>,
> Jim Whitby  <jim@tpsdata.com> wrote:
> : David Combs wrote:
> : > In article <7td013$9ub$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
> : > Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
> : > ><SNIP>
> : > >If I'm not on target, let's take this offline to
> : > >kermit-support@columbia.edu.
> : >
> : > Actually, it's nice having this conversation appear right here
> : > on the newsgroup.  You're both talking technical, stuff lots of
> : > us can learn from.
> : >
> : > No one HAS to read it -- just those who want to.
> : >
> : I agree, keep it here, unless there are things that should not be made
> : public: E.G. custom software code, etc.
> :
> It's not a question of secrecy -- generally when matters devolve to this
> level we start asking to see logs, which might be megabytes of gibberish,
> not what you want to see on a newsgroup.  OK, so to be more specific (if
> not Pythonesque): continue the discussion on the newsgroup if you wish, as
> long as the messages do not contain voluminous logs.  If you post a message
> to the newsgroup, please do not also send it to the kermit-support address,
> and vice-versa.  The reason for that is simply that email tends to arrive
> before news; since we reply to email quickly, the same question shows up in
> news afterwards, and we have to answer it again.  In other words, stuff
> that makes sense :-)
>
> - Frank

I hadn't thought about the log, etc data. And I do agree that they don't
belong here.
Maybe a compromise?

For questions posed here that are moved to email, at least post the
answer/solution?

I do see the solution posted. I'll maybe not remember it ( I don't run Linux
), but it may help somewhere else.

Thanks for the consideration.

Jim






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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Help with data transfer. Xenix - SCO Openserver
Date: 6 Oct 1999 13:40:58 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7tfjha$i4j$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <37fb2d5f.119086790@news.supernews.com>,
goldstar@starwon.com.au <RickI> wrote:
: Craig Norborg <doc@datacruz.com> wrote:
: 
: >	I have an old Xenix server that I need to get some data off of
: >and transfer it to a new SCO Unix system.  The problem is, the old
: >Xenix system has absolutely no documentation and I'm somewhat stumped.
: >
: >I am trying to hook them up via serial port to transfer between the
: >two systems, but am having problems using "cu" and setting it up so
: >that "getty" runs so I can log in from one system to the other, but
: >even then maybe there is a better way to do this, so I'm open to
: >suggestions.
: >
: Man, been there and done that !
: 
: Just get Kermit stuff -binaries for both OS's are available from Columbia.
: 
: Frank Da Cruz posted some simple notes on how to get it happening, which I
: will send to you if you like.
: 
: Unless you're a masochist, forget uucp.
: 
UUCP requires all sorts of arcane setup and configuration; doing this on
old platforms might be especially difficult.  You can get files moving
with Kermit without doing any system configuration at all.  Install the
appropriate Kermit binary on each computer, give it the needed user, group,
and permissions to access the serial port and lockfile directory, connect
the two computers with a null modem cable (or two modem cables that meet
at a modem eliminator).  In the first scenario, let's assume that neither
PC is set up for logins on a serial port, and you don't want to bother with
(or know how to) set up getty, etc.  On computer A:

  set modem type none
  set line /dev/tty0a   ; or whatever it is
  set speed 19200       ; or other
  set flow xon/xoff     ; (because RTS/CTS not available on Xenix)
  server                ; enter server mode

On computer B:

  set modem type none
  set line /dev/tty0a   ; or whatever it is
  set speed 19200       ; or other (same as on computer A)
  set flow xon/xoff

Now on computer B you can give REMOTE CD, REMOTE DIR, SEND, GET, and many
other commands for file transfer and management.

In the second scenario, computer B has a getty on one of its serial ports
and can be logged in to.  In this case you can do everything from Computer A:

  set modem type none
  set line /dev/tty0a   ; or whatever it is
  set speed 19200       ; or other
  set flow xon/xoff
  connect               ; Enter terminal mode

Here you log in to Computer B, start Kermit there, put it in server mode,
"escape back" with <Ctrl-\>C, and continue as in the first scenario.

C-Kermit 7.0 is in the late stages of Beta testing, I'd recommend you start
there:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

- Frank

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From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse)
Subject: Re: Help with data transfer. Xenix - SCO Openserver
Date: 6 Oct 1999 20:04:15 GMT
Organization: Echelon bv Consultancy & Software Development
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:40:58, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) 
wrote:

> In the first scenario, let's assume that neither
> PC is set up for logins on a serial port, and you don't want to bother with
> (or know how to) set up getty, etc.  On computer A:
> 
>   set modem type none
>   set line /dev/tty0a   ; or whatever it is
>   set speed 19200       ; or other
>   set flow xon/xoff     ; (because RTS/CTS not available on Xenix)
>   server                ; enter server mode

19200 is probably too fast for a Xenix box. I used to be very happy
if I could make 9600 work. If it's an old '386 system, you might have
to go down to 4800.  

-- 
Kees Hendrikse                               | email:     kees@echelon.nl
                                             | web:        www.echelon.nl
ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 48 36 585
PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax:   +31 (0)53 43 36 222

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From: "john" <ban1@patrol.i-way.co.uk>
Subject: kermit dos and windows 95
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:41:54 +0100
Organization: VBCnet GB Ltd
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

i am a novice trying to run kermit under a dos shell within w95 - for
collecting files from a dos machine nearby.

settings:

set port 1
set baud 115200
set file collision overwrite
set retry 3
remote login John
remote cwd c:\sdfdat
cd c:\posw\cdf
get *.cdf
exit



often kermit fails citing "cannot find port in bios, seeking another port"
( or similar...),
or "unimplemented bios" or " unimplemented Speed"

can anyone suggest what might be going wrong?

thanks desparate


john silver



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Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95
Date: 7 Oct 1999 13:34:08 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <37fc95ea.0@news.i-way.co.uk>, john <ban1@patrol.i-way.co.uk> wrote:
: i am a novice trying to run kermit under a dos shell within w95 - for
: collecting files from a dos machine nearby.  settings:
: 
: set port 1
: set baud 115200
: ...
: often kermit fails citing "cannot find port in bios, seeking another
: port" ( or similar...), or "unimplemented bios" or " unimplemented
: Speed"
: 
: can anyone suggest what might be going wrong?
: 
MS-DOS Kermit is not a Windows NT application.  If it works, fine.  If
not, we recommend you switch to Kermit 95, which is a native Windows NT
application:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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From: Jim Whitby <jim@tpsdata.com>
Subject: K95 shell function
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 11:17:47 -0400
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I have not had to do this yet, but the time is coming. I don't have the
K95 yet just the unix version.

If I have started k95 from a unix shell ( ksh, bash or ?? ) on a win95
machine. %COMSPEC still indicates command.com, not the unix shell. When
I do a shell command , which shell will be used? The parent or %COMSPEC?

Lemme restate that:

>From a dos prompt on w95, i'll start a "unix shell" ( bash.exe ), then
start K95, then need to do a shell command
from K95 ( E.G. sed < blah blah> ). Which shell will get used? %COMSPEC
or the parent "unix shell"?

I would suspect its %COMSPEC, but I've been wrong before!

Jim



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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: K95 shell function
Date: 7 Oct 1999 15:51:15 GMT
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In article <37FCB999.995D1432@tpsdata.com>,
Jim Whitby  <jim@tpsdata.com> wrote:
: I have not had to do this yet, but the time is coming. I don't have the
: K95 yet just the unix version.
: 
: If I have started k95 from a unix shell ( ksh, bash or ?? ) on a win95
: machine. %COMSPEC still indicates command.com, not the unix shell. When
: I do a shell command , which shell will be used? The parent or %COMSPEC?
: 
: Lemme restate that:
: 
: From a dos prompt on w95, i'll start a "unix shell" ( bash.exe ), then
: start K95, then need to do a shell command
: from K95 ( E.G. sed < blah blah> ). Which shell will get used? %COMSPEC
: or the parent "unix shell"?
: 
: I would suspect its %COMSPEC, but I've been wrong before!
: 
: Jim
: 
: 


K95 will first look for the SHELL environment variable and if that
is not found it will look for the COMSPEC environment variable.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Subject: Re: K95 shell function
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 14:36:11 -0400
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Thanks.

Jim


Jeffrey Altman wrote:
<snip>

> :K95 will first look for the SHELL environment variable and if that
> is not found it will look for the COMSPEC environment variable.
>
>     Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
>                  The Kermit Project * Columbia University
>               612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
>   http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org


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Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:49:51 -0700
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On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, john wrote:

> i am a novice trying to run kermit under a dos shell within w95 - for
> collecting files from a dos machine nearby.
> 

Why go through the null-modem route at all? MS-DOS 6.22 (and possibly
other versions) includes Interlink which allows you to connect two
machines via either serial (Com) or parallel (LPT) ports. It's easy to use
and you don't need any sort of terminal software.



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Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95
From: cangel@famvid.com
Message-ID: <gRiL3.2361$34.143942@news21b.ispnews.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:30:52 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I'm using the 3.14 version of MSKermit patched to level 9 and have tried
running the 3.16 beta MSK16 but it seems the APC control will _not_ shut
off?

I seem to recall reading that the 'set terminal apc on' and 'off' are reversed
or something?

Was this ever fixed and if so where would I find the patch file for this?

BTW: I am hoping to convince Kim Heino (author of LINUX BBBS) and the people
at Santronics (Wildcat BBS) to update the packet length in their software
implentations of the kermit protocol.  It is set 'standard' at 94 byte packets
and it CRAWLS.  I can do 9k packets no problem with UNIX systems that have
this packet length max'd out.  If Frank D. Cruz is reading this - how about
shooting them an email explaining that 94 byte packets is no longer the 'standard'
required for proper kermit transfers?  Maybe they would believe you and just
_do_ it rather than argue about it?

>
>     Charles.Angelich
>       @AngelFire.com
>          USA, MI


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95
Date: 8 Oct 1999 14:48:01 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <gRiL3.2361$34.143942@news21b.ispnews.com>,
 <cangel@famvid.com> wrote:
: I'm using the 3.14 version of MSKermit patched to level 9 and have tried
: running the 3.16 beta MSK16 but it seems the APC control will _not_ shut
: off?
: 
: I seem to recall reading that the 'set terminal apc on' and 'off' are
: reversed or something?
: 
Not that I know of.  Can you please state the sequence of events that leads
you to this conclusion?

: Was this ever fixed and if so where would I find the patch file for this?
: 
: BTW: I am hoping to convince Kim Heino (author of LINUX BBBS) and the people
: at Santronics (Wildcat BBS) to update the packet length in their software
: implentations of the kermit protocol.  It is set 'standard' at 94 byte
: packets and it CRAWLS.  I can do 9k packets no problem with UNIX systems
: that have this packet length max'd out.  If Frank D. Cruz is reading this -
: how about shooting them an email explaining that 94 byte packets is no
: longer the 'standard' required for proper kermit transfers?
:
There is no standard packet length.  All that's standard are the parameters
and procedures by which the length is negotiated.  The file receiver tells
the sender the maximum packet length (up to ~9K) it is prepared to accept.
The sender may not send packets longer than that but of course can send
shorter ones.

Most 3rd-party Kermit protocol implementations are limited to 94-byte
packets and 1 window slot because that's the bare minimum required by the
protocol definition, and the easiest to program.

: Maybe they
: would believe you and just _do_ it rather than argue about it?
: 
I'd recommend they simply make a provision to allow the owner of the BBS
to substitute C-Kermit as an external implementation of the Kermit protocol.
There is no reason for them to try to duplicate all the work we've put
into C-Kermit all these years, and then track changes in the future.  Let
them concentrate on the BBS aspects and let us concentrate on the Kermit
protocol.

Ditto for DOS-based BBS's -- if they can be configured to substitute external
protocols for built-ones, then MS-DOS Kermit can be used.  See the Kermit
News article:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html#bbs

- Frank

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Hi!

I have an application that must run in a DOS environment no a "586" class
processor. I do not have any particular need for file transfer in this
application, but I do need to be able to read from and write to two serial
ports, non-blocking, pretty much full-time. The data needs and rates should
be fairly reasonable, and I do not anticipate having any problems "keeping
up".

I would like to not have to write the application from scratch. I figure that
I should be able to handle everything I need to do within Kermit macro
language.

However, I haven't been able to find a reference to being able to have more
than one serial port active at a time. Is this possible?

Thanks!

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Ron.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Talking on 2 Ports?
Date: 8 Oct 1999 22:06:47 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <37fe44bc.1767178@news.mcs.com>,
Ron Heiby <heiby_u@falkor.chi.il.us> wrote:
: I have an application that must run in a DOS environment no a "586" class
: processor. I do not have any particular need for file transfer in this
: application, but I do need to be able to read from and write to two serial
: ports, non-blocking, pretty much full-time. The data needs and rates should
: be fairly reasonable, and I do not anticipate having any problems "keeping
: up".
: 
: I would like to not have to write the application from scratch. I figure that
: I should be able to handle everything I need to do within Kermit macro
: language.
: 
: However, I haven't been able to find a reference to being able to have more
: than one serial port active at a time. Is this possible?
: 
No.  Most Kermit software can only handle one connection at a time.  
One Kermit program, MS-DOS Kermit in fact, can handle multiple connections
simultaneously, but only TCP/IP connections, not serial ones.

In cases where people want to have multiple Kermit sessions, they normally
run multiple copies of Kermit, but of course that's not an option in DOS.

I was thinking it might be possible to write an MS-DOS Kermit script that
could jump back and forth between the two ports, opening and closing the
port each time, but the flaw there is that flow control would need to be
operational on Port 2 while Port 1 is open, and vice versa, and there's no
way to do that.

- Frank

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From: a_ppi_s@my-deja.com
Subject: login prompt problem
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 23:34:33 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Whats the difference between the two?

I'm trying to write a simple script that will login to
a unix machine by dialing in using kermit:
(OS used Linux C-Kermit 7.0.195 )
the login prompts are as follows:

when I dial in using this script below,
I am able to login manually without a problem (after commenting out the
input/ output lines)

But, when attempting to login automatically with the script below, I am
not able to anticipate the correct login sequence.

OK, here is a sample of a correct login session ( done manually )
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 0068HWR

Host Name:  aAnNdDyY

UIC: pPaAsSsSwWoOrRdD


Connected to 0138 CDD-RTT1
^L

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


#!/home/andy/kermit/wermit +
set line /dev/modem
set carrier-watch off
set speed 9600
set flow-control rts/cts
set stop-bits 1
set parity even
set command bytesize 7
set duplex half
set terminal echo local
set terminal cr-display normal
set session log text
log session
set modem type gen
set input echo on
set input timeout proceed
dial 9,5551212
output \13
pau 3
;input 5 ame:
;output Andy\13
;input 5 UIC:
;output password\13

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Now, when I uncomment the lines above, It is not able to sense
the correct login prompts,
Obviously I'm missing something here. Any ideas?

Also,
How do is send the following characters:

1.) CNTRL + S
2.) CNTRL + J ( or line feed )

Thanks,
-Andy


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From: Kevin McCarthy <sigma@mediaone.net>
Subject: Help - PIC's and XMODEM
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 09:54:25 -0400
Organization: Road Runner
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

	O.K, it's not Kermit, but could anyone point me to some source code (or
a good primer) on implementing XMODEM (standard, not CRC) on a PIC
(16C74)?  Thanks!

Kevin McCarthy

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From: "Dale A. Dellutri" <ddellutr@enteract.com>
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Talking on 2 Ports?
Date: 9 Oct 1999 15:34:17 GMT
Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

On Fri, 08 Oct 1999 19:28:16 GMT, Ron Heiby <heiby_u@falkor.chi.il.us> wrote:
> I have an application that must run in a DOS environment no a "586" class
> processor. I do not have any particular need for file transfer in this
> application, but I do need to be able to read from and write to two serial
> ports, non-blocking, pretty much full-time. The data needs and rates should
> be fairly reasonable, and I do not anticipate having any problems "keeping
> up".

You need BBS software.  You can probably get something free if you
search the web.

> I would like to not have to write the application from scratch. I figure that
> I should be able to handle everything I need to do within Kermit macro
> language.

As Frank said, Kermit can't do this.  You need BBS software.

-- 
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: login prompt problem
Date: 9 Oct 1999 16:54:07 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <7tlv28$crs$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  <a_ppi_s@my-deja.com> wrote:
: Whats the difference between the two?
: 
: I'm trying to write a simple script that will login to
: a unix machine by dialing in using kermit:
: (OS used Linux C-Kermit 7.0.195 )
: the login prompts are as follows:
: 
: when I dial in using this script below,
: I am able to login manually without a problem (after commenting out the
: input/ output lines)
: 
: But, when attempting to login automatically with the script below, I am
: not able to anticipate the correct login sequence.
: 
: OK, here is a sample of a correct login session ( done manually )
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
:  0068HWR
: 
: Host Name:  aAnNdDyY
: 
: UIC: pPaAsSsSwWoOrRdD
: 
: 
: Connected to 0138 CDD-RTT1
: ^L
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: 
: #!/home/andy/kermit/wermit +
: set line /dev/modem
: set carrier-watch off
: set speed 9600
: set flow-control rts/cts
: set stop-bits 1
: set parity even
: set command bytesize 7
: set duplex half
: set terminal echo local
: set terminal cr-display normal
: set session log text
: log session
: set modem type gen
: set input echo on
: set input timeout proceed
: dial 9,5551212
: output \13
: pau 3
: ;input 5 ame:
: ;output Andy\13
: ;input 5 UIC:
: ;output password\13
: 
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: 
: Now, when I uncomment the lines above, It is not able to sense
: the correct login prompts,
: Obviously I'm missing something here. Any ideas?
: 
I suspect that sometimes you might have to send more than one carriage
to get the prompt.  Try it this way:

set input echo on                ; So you can watch what happens
dial 9,5551212                   ; Dial the number
if fail exit 1 Call failed       ; Make sure the call was completed
for \%i 1 5 1 {                  ; Try 5 times to get a prompt
    output \13                   ; Send CR
    input 5 ame:                 ; Wait 5 sec for prompt
    if fail continue             ; If it doesn't come try again
    output Andy\13               ; Send name + CR
    input 10 UIC:                ; Wait for next prompt
    if fail exit 1 No UIC prompt ; Make sure it comes
    output password\13           ; Send password + CR
}

: Also,
: How do is send the following characters:
: 
: 1.) CNTRL + S
:
If this is for flow control purposes, your script shouldn't send it -- the
underlying terminal driver should.  But you are using rts/cts, so I guess
it's not for flow control?  (What's it for?)  In any case:

  output \19

: 2.) CNTRL + J ( or line feed )

  output \10

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Switching from Dos Kermit Vs. 3 to AIX Kermit Vs.7
Date: 9 Oct 1999 19:53:15 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <01bf1286$4f44f4a0$87c010ac@6484>,
Serge Bisson <sbisson@jri.ca> wrote:
: We used to connect from a Vax platform to a Dos platform. We now want to go
: from Vax to AIX.
: 
:  ...
: 
: We want to connect from the Vax server to an AIX server now
: We have changed it to the following .kermrc:
: 
: def vax set par non, set flo x, set hand no, set dupl ful               
:                                                                         
: local ttyport                                                           
: local rcvdir                                                            
: assign ttyport /dev/tty1                                                
: ...
: set line \m(ttyport)                                                    
: set receive rename-to /home/terminal/data_in                            
: set file type text         ; Set type of file to text                   
: set input echo on                                                          
:                                                
: set terminal echo local    ; So output goes in session log              
: cd \m(logdir)                                                           
: log session                ; Creates session.log in current directory   
: log transact               ; Creates transact.log in current directory  
: cd \m(tmpdir)                                                           
: do vax
: set carrier-watch off                                                      
:            
: server                                                                 
: ; (End)                                                                 
: 
: The tty1 port is set at 9600.
:
How do you know?

: This will work when going from the Dos machine to the Unix machine. But not
: from the Vax machine to the AIX machine. We get no response on the Unix
: machine and the Vax machine keeps on resending.
: 
: Any ideas why we are having this trouble with AIX?
: 
You're leaving too much to chance.  Try specifying everything:

  set modem type none
  set carrier-watch off
  set line \m(ttyport) 
  if fail exit 1 Can't assign \m(ttyport) 
  set speed 9600
  do vax ; (which implies SET FLOW XON/XOFF)

Now at this point, instead of entering server mode, give a CONNECT
command.  Ditto at the other end.  Now everything you type on the VAX
should show up on the AIX screen and vice versa.  If not, you have a
fundamental communication problem: wrong port, bad cable (is it a null-
modem cable?), flow-control mismatch, speed mismatch, etc etc.

The C-Kermit manual has a chapter on how to set up and check a direct
serial connection between two computers; follow the directions there.

- Frank

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From: "Serge Bisson" <sbisson@jri.ca>
Subject: Switching from Dos Kermit Vs. 3 to AIX Kermit Vs.7
Message-ID: <01bf1286$4f44f4a0$87c010ac@6484>
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:45:23 GMT
Organization: MTS Internet
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

We used to connect from a Vax platform to a Dos platform. We now want to go
from Vax to AIX.

Following was the ini file used on DOS:

echo Customizations...                                                  
set port 2                      ; Use COM2                              
do vax                          ; Set parameters for talking to a VAX  
set speed 9600                  ; Transmission speed                    
set parity none                                                         
cd P:\pgbw\cgcshunt                                                     
set bell off                                                            
echo Starting Monitor...Pause 5 seconds..                               
pause 5                                                                
                                                                        
get_file                                                              
       receive                                                         
       run copy expi90.dat CGC2JRI.NEW                                 
       echo Wait 2 Seconds...                                          
       pause 2                                                         
goto   get_file                                                        

We want to connect from the Vax server to an AIX server now
We have changed it to the following .kermrc:

def vax set par non, set flo x, set hand no, set dupl ful               
                                                                        
local ttyport                                                           
local rcvdir                                                            
assign ttyport /dev/tty1                                                
assign rcvdir /home/terminal/data_in                                    
assign tmpdir /home/terminal/temp                                       
assign logdir /home/terminal/log                                        
                                                                        
set line \m(ttyport)                                                    
set receive rename-to /home/terminal/data_in                            
set file type text         ; Set type of file to text                   
set input echo on                                                          
                                               
set terminal echo local    ; So output goes in session log              
cd \m(logdir)                                                           
log session                ; Creates session.log in current directory   
log transact               ; Creates transact.log in current directory  
cd \m(tmpdir)                                                           
do vax
set carrier-watch off                                                      
           
server                                                                 
; (End)                                                                 

The tty1 port is set at 9600.
This will work when going from the Dos machine to the Unix machine. But not
from the Vax machine to the AIX machine. We get no response on the Unix
machine and the Vax machine keeps on resending.

Any ideas why we are having this trouble with AIX?

Thanks,
Serge

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From: David Dyck <dcd@tc.fluke.com>
Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95 (solution to unimplemented bios/speed)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:46:39 -0700
Organization: Fluke Corporation, Everett, WA
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.9910092140110.11260-100000@dd.tc.fluke.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


I have been running kermit under dos shell under w95 for years
and have worked around the problem by repeating the port and speed
commands twice in my script -- never had a problem since then

start your script like this:

set port 1
set baud 115200
set port 1
set baud 115200


I know it's been suggested that you and I upgrade to using the
windows 95 version of kermit, but I prefer free software wherever
possible.  And the source to the w95 kermit isn't available either.

Dave

> i am a novice trying to run kermit under a dos shell within w95 - for
> collecting files from a dos machine nearby.
> 
> settings:
> 
> often kermit fails citing "cannot find port in bios, seeking another port"
> ( or similar...),
> or "unimplemented bios" or " unimplemented Speed"
> 
> can anyone suggest what might be going wrong?
> 
> thanks desparate
> 
> 
> john silver


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From: Art Wildman <wildman@mediaone.net>
Subject: set line: Sorry can't open connection
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 03:06:20 -0400
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Pretty basic stuff, but it's been a long time since I've setup serial devs...

While trying to test a port on HPUX...
C-Kermit> c
set line /dev/tty2a3
set speed 9600
parity=space
duplex=half

Can send string from pc com1 to hp tty2a3 OK.
"The quick brown fox..."

am unable to send same string from hp tty2a3 to pc using procomm-vt100-kermit
and have it display in procomm terminal/chat window.

while playnig around with port settings (duplex=full) I managed to lock up
kermit. killed processes, and abe to recover but now when I try to 
set line /dev/tty2a3
error: Sorry can't open connection on /dev/tty2a3

Is there a lock file or something somewhere keeping the port open and
unavailable? How do I clear this? What do I need to do to get kermit to transmit
to pc properly?

Manual is on order, any help in mean time is appreciated. -Thanks

-- 
   Art Wildman - wildman@mediaone.net

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: set line: Sorry can't open connection
Date: 10 Oct 1999 14:30:57 GMT
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In article <38003AEC.C6CA47FA@mediaone.net>,
Art Wildman  <wildman@mediaone.net> wrote:
: Pretty basic stuff, but it's been a long time since I've setup serial devs...
: 
: While trying to test a port on HPUX...
: 
What version of C-Kermit do you have?

: C-Kermit> c
: set line /dev/tty2a3
: set speed 9600
: parity=space
: duplex=half
: 
Those last two should be:

  set parity space
  set duplex half

: Can send string from pc com1 to hp tty2a3 OK.
: "The quick brown fox..."
: 
How do you know it's OK?  C-Kermit is in CONNECT mode and you see it on
the HP's screen?

How is the PC connected to the HP?  A null modem cable?  A *true* null
modem cable, or the fakeout kind?  Did you build it yourself?  How do you
know it's wired appropriately?

: am unable to send same string from hp tty2a3 to pc using
: procomm-vt100-kermit and have it display in procomm terminal/chat window.
: 
Obviously that's a question for the Procomm people.

: while playnig around with port settings (duplex=full) I managed to lock up
: kermit.
:
What makes you conclude it is locked up?  Are you saying it was in CONNECT
mode, and then you could no longer escape back?  Or that it was in command
mode and would no longer respond to commands?  Please be specific about what
state it was in and what you tried to do and what the response was.

 killed processes, and abe to recover but now when I try to 
: set line /dev/tty2a3
: error: Sorry can't open connection on /dev/tty2a3
: 
: Is there a lock file or something somewhere keeping the port open and
: unavailable?
:
If you have C-Kermit 6.0 or later, the problem would not be a lockfile.
C-Kermit detects and handles stale lockfiles, and anyway it prints an
informative message stating why the device could not be opened.

C-Kermit 6.0, while in CONNECT mode, runs in two forks (processes).  The
most likely explanation is that you killed one but not the other.

C-Kermit 7.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

runs in only one fork at all times (at least on HP-UX and most other modern
UNIX varieties), has better serial port handling, and better error messages.

: How do I clear this? What do I need to do to get kermit to
: transmit to pc properly?
: 
: Manual is on order, any help in mean time is appreciated. -Thanks
: 
The first question is: why not simply set up a getty on the HP-UX port and
then log in to it from the PC?  That's the normal way of connecting a PC
and a UNIX computer.

- Frank

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From: ALTEK Corporation <altek@clark.net>
Subject: Re: Help - PIC's and XMODEM
Organization: Clark Internet Services
Message-ID: <Vo7M3.3156$N64.65912@dfw-read.news.verio.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:18:45 GMT
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Kevin McCarthy <sigma@mediaone.net> wrote:
> 	O.K, it's not Kermit, but could anyone point me to some source code (or
> a good primer) on implementing XMODEM (standard, not CRC) on a PIC
> (16C74)?  Thanks!

Try asking in comp.arch.embedded; there are lots of PIC programmers there.
I've done XMODEM and PIC, but never XMODEM _on_ PIC.  You're going to have
a tight fit; it might be good to consider the pin-compatible 16C77, which
has twice the ROM and more RAM (but still no stack).

David Winfrey


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From: Art Wildman <wildman@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: set line: Sorry can't open connection
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:57:03 -0400
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Thanks for the quick response, I just found this group while looking for more
info on kermit & thought I'd ask.
Frank da Cruz wrote:
> What version of C-Kermit do you have?
Ver 6x comes with HPUX 10.20 I think, Not sure I'm doing this from memory...
> : C-Kermit> c
> : set line /dev/tty2a3
> : set speed 9600
> Those last two should be:
Right -again I'm doing this from memory
>   set parity space
>   set duplex half
> 
> : Can send string from pc com1 to hp tty2a3 OK.
> : "The quick brown fox..."
> :
> How do you know it's OK?  C-Kermit is in CONNECT mode and you see it on
> the HP's screen?
Yes
> 
> How is the PC connected to the HP?  A null modem cable?  
Yes
> A *true* null modem cable, or the fakeout kind?  
fakeout loopback on pc side rts-cts & dsr-dtr, but just using 3 wires to tty2a3
- 2, 3 & 7.
> Did you build it yourself?  How do you know it's wired appropriately?
Yes, and I was able to test 2way comms by enabling device using HP's SAM, then
respawning getty on same port set to 9600 hard-wired in inittab, init q  -now
able to hit rtn twice on pc procomm terminal and get login message. I was able
to login, verifying 2-way comms. I found a partial procedure to test a port
using kermit, and wanted to learn more about kermit.
 
> : am unable to send same string from hp tty2a3 to pc using
> : procomm-vt100-kermit and have it display in procomm terminal/chat window.
> :
> Obviously that's a question for the Procomm people.
Why? -No, its just a terminal (in emulation mode) and I think its set up
correctly or I wouldn't have been able to login using it. A laptop is easier to
carry around than a vt100 terminal.
Do I have to tell kermit to transmitt vs. receive? I should be able to open a
connection, and type/transmitt "The quick brown fox..." from hp to pc-terminal.
> : while playing around with port settings (duplex=full) I managed to lock up
> : kermit.
> What makes you conclude it is locked up?  Are you saying it was in CONNECT
> mode, and then you could no longer escape back? 
Yes it was in connect mode, I tried ctrl-\ c repeatedly, also ctrl-c and every
other key sequence I could think of... no response.
> Or that it was in command
> mode and would no longer respond to commands?  Please be specific about what
> state it was in and what you tried to do and what the response was.
> 
>  killed processes, and abe to recover but now when I try to
> : set line /dev/tty2a3
> : error: Sorry can't open connection on /dev/tty2a3
> :
> : Is there a lock file or something somewhere keeping the port open and
> : unavailable?
> :
> If you have C-Kermit 6.0 or later, the problem would not be a lockfile.
> C-Kermit detects and handles stale lockfiles, and anyway it prints an
> informative message stating why the device could not be opened.
All I get when I run kermit and try establish a new connection on this port is
Sorry can't open connection on /dev/tty2a3
> 
> C-Kermit 6.0, while in CONNECT mode, runs in two forks (processes).  The
> most likely explanation is that you killed one but not the other.
I saw two processes liste when I did
ps -ef | grep kermit
it listed 2 PIDs
Killing the first one didn't seem to have any effect so I killed the other, that
exited kermit and restored my hpux prompt.
I'll look for other running processes, but I don't think any more exist owned by
kermit. Is there something else I could look for?
> 
> C-Kermit 7.0:   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html
> runs in only one fork at all times (at least on HP-UX and most other modern
> UNIX varieties), has better serial port handling, and better error messages.
Thanks, I'll get 7.0, sounds like I may need it.
> 
> : How do I clear this? What do I need to do to get kermit to
> : transmit to pc properly?

> The first question is: why not simply set up a getty on the HP-UX port and
> then log in to it from the PC?  That's the normal way of connecting a PC
> and a UNIX computer.
Tried that it worked, but this port will be used for data ingest using custom
software, and I beleive the kermit protocol. So, I will have to turn off getty
an want some way of sending data manually to the port & verifying comms 2-ways.
Thanks again for your help and patience.
> - Frank

-- 
   Art Wildman - wildman@mediaone.net

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: set line: Sorry can't open connection
Date: 11 Oct 1999 13:35:18 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <3801600F.65ED7F54@mediaone.net>,
Art Wildman  <wildman@mediaone.net> wrote:

: Thanks for the quick response, I just found this group while looking for
: more info on kermit & thought I'd ask.
:
: Frank da Cruz wrote:
:
: > What version of C-Kermit do you have?
:
: Ver 6x comes with HPUX 10.20 I think, Not sure I'm doing this from memory...
: 
Right, C-Kermit 6.0 is included with HP-UX 10.00 and above.  But C-Kermit
6.0 is getting old and C-Kermit 7.0 is close to release.

: > : Can send string from pc com1 to hp tty2a3 OK.
: > : "The quick brown fox..."
: >
: > How do you know it's OK?  C-Kermit is in CONNECT mode and you see it on
: > the HP's screen?
:
: Yes
:
: > How is the PC connected to the HP?  A null modem cable?  
:
: Yes
:
: > A *true* null modem cable, or the fakeout kind?  
:
: fakeout loopback on pc side rts-cts & dsr-dtr, but just using 3 wires to
: tty2a3 - 2, 3 & 7.
: 
A true 9- or 10-wire null modem with all cross-connects (RxD/TxD, RTS/CTS,
DTR/CD, DSR/CD), as shown on p.494 of the C-Kermit manual, is recommended.
If the HP-UX port driver requires certain signals, and they aren't there,
then it's not going to let the application use the port.  This, in turn,
depends on which driver you are using.  You said "tty2a3".  OK, that's the
one for hardwired ports.  But maybe it needs DSR and your cable isn't
providing it.

: > Did you build it yourself?  How do you know it's wired appropriately?

: Yes, and I was able to test 2way comms by enabling device using HP's SAM,
: then respawning getty on same port set to 9600 hard-wired in inittab, init
: q -now able to hit rtn twice on pc procomm terminal and get login
: message. I was able to login, verifying 2-way comms. I found a partial
: procedure to test a port using kermit, and wanted to learn more about
: kermit.
:  
If you want to use Kermit on each end without a login on the HP port,
obviously you'll need to be logged in to the HP some other way.  Then try
the setup given in the manual for direct serial connections:

  set modem type none     ; Tell Kermit there is no modem
  set carrier-watch off   ; Don't require CD
  set flow none           ; No flow control
  set port /dev/tty2a3    ; Open the port
  set speed 9600          ; Set the speed
  connect

set up the PC the same way.

: > : while playing around with port settings (duplex=full) I managed to
: > : lock up kermit.
: >
: > What makes you conclude it is locked up?  Are you saying it was in
: > CONNECT mode, and then you could no longer escape back?
:
: Yes it was in connect mode, I tried ctrl-\ c repeatedly, also ctrl-c and
: every other key sequence I could think of... no response.
:
Then probably it was stuck in a system call (like read() on the port).
Try following the instructions above and this shouldn't happen.

- Frank

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From: "Eric J. Paulsen" <epaulsen@smls.org>
Subject: Direct Serial Connection - Unable to Set Line
Message-ID: <nAvM3.1823$C8.521394@homer.alpha.net>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:49:23 -0500
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I'm trying to connect my Linux box to our phone switch which has a simple
RS-232 serial port which dumps phone usage as the calls are handled by the
phone system. I have it connected to my 25 pin serial port (which was comm2
under windows) and have tried to set line to cua1 and ttyS1 and both give
this:

(/usr/bin/) C-Kermit>set line ttyS1
ttyS1
Sorry, can't open connection: ttyS1
(/usr/bin/) C-Kermit>set line cua1
cua1
Sorry, can't open connection: cua1

There are no gettys running on this, but it seems something is locking the
port. What can I check to start troubleshooting this?
TIA,
Eric



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Subject: Re: Direct Serial Connection - Unable to Set Line
Date: 12 Oct 1999 14:22:43 GMT
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In article <nAvM3.1823$C8.521394@homer.alpha.net>,
Eric J. Paulsen <epaulsen@smls.org> wrote:
: I'm trying to connect my Linux box to our phone switch which has a simple
: RS-232 serial port which dumps phone usage as the calls are handled by the
: phone system. I have it connected to my 25 pin serial port (which was comm2
: under windows) and have tried to set line to cua1 and ttyS1 and both give
: this:
: 
: (/usr/bin/) C-Kermit>set line ttyS1
: ttyS1
: Sorry, can't open connection: ttyS1
:
>From the form of the prompt, I assume you're using C-Kermit 7.0.

: (/usr/bin/) C-Kermit>set line cua1
: cua1
: Sorry, can't open connection: cua1
: 
: There are no gettys running on this, but it seems something is locking the
: port. What can I check to start troubleshooting this?
: 
Try "set modem type none" and "set carrier-watch off" before "set line".
If that doesn't work, type:

  log debug {| grep ttopen > debug.log}

at the C-Kermit> prompt and then try again.  If the answer isn't obvious 
from the resulting debug.log file, send it to kermit-support@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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From: Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net>
Subject: Re: Q: goofy dates with Kermit 5A(188) on AIX
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:32:52 -0700
Organization: Not Very Much
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Rob Wargaski wrote:
>         I have a serial multiplexer attached to an AIX server, and several
> Windows 95-based PCs attached to the mux.  Periodically, we need to
> upload files from a PC to the AIX machine; to do this, we open a
> HyperTerminal session and upload the files using the Kermit protocol.
> The AIX server has Kermit 5A(188) installed.

This is way out of date (but it isn't the problem here).  The current
version is 6.0 ( http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html ) and 7.0 (
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html ) is in the final stages of
beta test.

>         The entire file transfer process works flawlessly, but the uploaded
> files on the AIX machine all have a date of February 1, 1970.  I have
> confirmed that the date on the server is correct, and creating files
> from the command line (e.g. using `touch') produces a current time
> stamp.
> 
>         Has anyone else seen this?

I just tried it with Hyperterminal on my machine and it does the same
thing.  Hyperterminal is sending the file timestamp as 19970201 00:00:07
regardles of the actual timestamp on the file.

This is not the only problem with Hyperterminal's implementation of
Kermit protocol.  For a better implementation, you could try Kermit-MS
(http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html ) in a Dos window under
Win95, but this is not supported and may or may not work.  The real
answer is Kermit-95 ( http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html ).

-- 
Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From: "Chris H. de Dijker" <webmaster@copex.nl>
Subject: Problems with Exit from dail script to take script
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:20:31 +0100
Organization: Luna Internet
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I use the following simple (mskermit 3.15)-script for testing:

;download.scr
set modem bestdata
dial test
if failure goto notconnect
echo Connection successful
; rest of the script
hangup
exit

:notconnect
echo Connection failed
set errorlevel 2
hangup
exit

Now I start the script with the command: kermit take download.scr
Because I want to test the not connect status, I simulate a NO DIALTONE by
removing the line from the modem.
The bestdata.scr goes to the :FAIL Label and returns the END 1 command.
The program goes back to download.scr. and allways displays that the
connection was successful.

What's wrong ????

Please help me,

Regards,
Chris de Dijker
Email: chris.dedijker-AT-copex.nl










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Subject: Re: Problems with Exit from dail script to take script
Date: 13 Oct 1999 13:16:29 GMT
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In article <939806492.394521@perla.rotterdam.luna.net>,
Chris H. de Dijker <webmaster@copex.nl> wrote:
: I use the following simple (mskermit 3.15)-script for testing:
: 
: ;download.scr
: set modem bestdata
: dial test
: if failure goto notconnect
: echo Connection successful
: ; rest of the script
: hangup
: exit
: 
: :notconnect
: echo Connection failed
: set errorlevel 2
: hangup
: exit
: 
: Now I start the script with the command: kermit take download.scr
: Because I want to test the not connect status, I simulate a NO DIALTONE by
: removing the line from the modem.
: The bestdata.scr goes to the :FAIL Label and returns the END 1 command.
: The program goes back to download.scr. and allways displays that the
: connection was successful.
: 
: What's wrong ????
: 
The script looks right.  If the dialing scripts ends with END 1, then the IF
FAILURE test after the DIAL command should succeed, and control should be
transferred to the NOTCONNECT label.

MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 has a certain difference from earlier versions, namely
that DIAL is a built-in command.  Previously it was a macro.  Now, it
invokes a script if a script for the current modem exists, otherwise it
tries to place the call using the minimum set of AT commands and modem
signals.

Macro invocations definitely do pass along the success/failure status of
the macro (so END 1 from the macro makes the invocation fail; END 0 makes
it succeed), but it seems the DIAL command does not notice the failure
return from the dialing script.

This is a bug.  We will have to fix it in version 3.16.  Thanks for noticing
and reporting it.  In the meantime, you should be able to work around the
problem by testing for the CD signal after dialing:

  dial test
  wait 0 CD
  if failure goto notconnect

- Frank

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Subject: Re: Kermit script or program to monitor serial line?
Date: 13 Oct 1999 13:35:29 GMT
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In article <7u0a86$1idi$1@mars.mcs.net>,
Richard Jordan <rjordan@Mars.mcs.net> wrote:
: We're using a Routeabout Access EW as a central router in a frame relay
: configuration; there are 9 remote sites coming in, each on its own PVC.
: Some of the links have been problematic (its the telco having glitches
: but sometimes the routabouts just will not recover without being re-
: started).  The central site has an Alphacluster running OpenVMS V7.1
: and UCX V4.1 (latest ECO, and yes I wish I could upgrade them too).
: 
: After having some batch jobs sitting on the alphas regularly pinging the
: remote routers and notifying us on a ping failure, the fact that it'd be
: much less load on the system/links/etc if we could just leave a process
: telneted to the central router listening to the logging console (or 
: perhaps using a direct serial connection to the router console port
: doing the same thing) and sending notifications when the central router
: sees a topology change or other error (by error name/number).  We would
: determine which messages to enable to provide just what we needed and
: have the program parse all incoming messages.  Most would just be logged
: (no info messages, just warning and worse) and some would trigger an
: email/page/whatever.
: 
: I'm hoping someone has sample code (maybe in BASIC?) for this type of
: application, but I'd appreciate opinions on whether something like
: this can be handled using Kermit scripting...
:
Yes.

: ... or if I'd be better off
: dealing with UCX programming from BASIC (we do not have C... or any
: other language, available).
:
No.  Kermit has tens of thousands of lines of code already written to do
what you want.  Why duplicate all that?

I'd recommend you start with C-Kermit 7.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

which is in the final stages of Beta testing, and is far advanced over the
previous version in terms of scripting capabilties, and also has numerous
VMS-specific improvements.  Get a copy of the manual:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html

to learn the script language, and also read the 7.0 release notes to learn
about the new features:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/text/ckermit2.txt

In brief outline, your application would:

  set host <hostname-of-router>
  if fail exit 1 Can't reach router.
  while true {
      (wait for a line to come in)
      (parse the line)
      (if it's a significant event, handle it)
      (maybe make some kind of log entry)
  }

For lots of C-Kermit script examples, see:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html

- Frank

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From: "Mr. Scott" <scott_davis@my-deja.com>
Subject: ASCII character 186 killing transfer
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:41:53 GMT
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Synopsis:
Using C-Kermit 7.0.195.Beta.02 on AIX 4.2.1 to dial a serial modem into
a similar AIX box, then telnet from OS prompt to yet another AIX box.
Then try and transfer a file with an ASCII 186 in it.  The transfer
times out.  Don't know why, but removing that character removed the
problem.  There are other > 127 characters in other files that are
producing similar results.  What should I set things to?  It doesn't
look like I can prefix this character (or the other ones).  Suggestions
welcome.


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: ASCII character 186 killing transfer
Date: 13 Oct 1999 20:57:08 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7u2qqd$a2v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Mr. Scott  <scott_davis@my-deja.com> wrote:
: Synopsis:
: Using C-Kermit 7.0.195.Beta.02 on AIX 4.2.1...
:
We've issued 8 new Betas since then -- you might want to try the latest:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

: ... to dial a serial modem into
: a similar AIX box, then telnet from OS prompt to yet another AIX box.
: Then try and transfer a file with an ASCII 186 in it.  The transfer
: times out.  Don't know why, but removing that character removed the
: problem.  There are other > 127 characters in other files that are
: producing similar results.  What should I set things to?  It doesn't
: look like I can prefix this character (or the other ones).
:
In fact, that's probably what you need to do.

Transferring files through concatenations of connections is always
tricky, because any assumptions that each Kermit program makes by looking
at its connection are going to be wrong.

Try one or both of the following:

To prefix all 8-bit characters, use "set parity space".

To prefix all control characters, use "set prefixing all".

- Frank

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From: "Blair Bitonti" <bbitonti@axys.com>
Subject: zmodem info
Message-ID: <J97N3.3627$AN.325155@brie.direct.ca>
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:51:50 -0700
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hi there,

Is there an appropriate news group for people interested in developing ftp
applications  particularoliy zmodem. What I am looking for is a clear
protocol description/flowchart ect... besides the one from the author.

If anyone could help me or point me in the right direction I would
appreciate it.

Thanks in advance



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From: Art Wildman <wildman@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: set line: Sorry can't open connection
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:53:44 -0400
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Problem solved: Thought you'd like to know how it turned out...
1. True Null Modem wiring on both ends. (loopback 4-5, 6-8-20)
2. "Removing stale lock /var/spool/locks/LCK..tty2a3 (pid 6638 terminated)"

I had captured output of problem, over long weekend I knew I'd need it...

#/usr/bin/kermit
#Executing /usr/share/lib/kermit/ckermit.ini for UNIX...
#C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for HP-UX 10.00
#Default file-transfer mode is TEXT
[/] C-Kermit>set line /dev/tty2a3
[/] C-Kermit>set speed 9600
/dev/tty2a3, 9600 bps
[/] C-Kermit>set mode direct
[/] C-Kermit>set duplex half
[/] C-Kermit>c
#Connecting to /dev/tty2a3, speed 9600.
#The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS)
#Type the escape character followed by C to get back,
#or followed by ? to see other options.
TX> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog...
RCV< ....UNABLE TO RECEIVE TEXT TXMITTED FROM LAPTOP RUNNING PROCOMM....
# ctrl-\ c ...didn't work kermit appears hung...tried usual panic keystrokes...

# kill -9 kermitPID

[/] C-Kermit>set line /dev/tty2a3
Sorry, can't open connection: /dev/tty2a3
after kill -9 kermitPID  ???
... much pulling of hair ... left and went home...much later...

/usr/bin/kermit
Executing /usr/share/lib/kermit/ckermit.ini for UNIX...
Good Afternoon!
C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for HP-UX 10.00
Default file-transfer mode is TEXT
[/] C-Kermit>set line /dev/tty2a3
Removing stale lock /var/spool/locks/LCK..tty2a3 (pid 6638 terminated)
[/] C-Kermit>set speed 9600
/dev/tty2a3, 9600 bps
[/] C-Kermit>set mode direct
[/] C-Kermit>set duplex half
[/] C-Kermit>c
Connecting to /dev/tty2a3, speed 9600.
The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS)
Type the escape character followed by C to get back,
or followed by ? to see other options.
TX> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog...
RCV< the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog...
RCV< the quick brown fox died...
ctrl-\ c
(Back at local-host)
[/] C-Kermit>quit
# Test of comms completed successfully!!! 

Received C-KERMIT v-6 Book next day, now I'm real dangerous!
Let us know when you guys publish a new edition for v-7.
Thanks again Frank, so much for all your time and patience.

Frank da Cruz wrote:

> : > What makes you conclude it is locked up?  Are you saying it was in
> : > CONNECT mode, and then you could no longer escape back?
> :
> : Yes it was in connect mode, I tried ctrl-\ c repeatedly, also ctrl-c and
> : every other key sequence I could think of... no response.
> :
> Then probably it was stuck in a system call (like read() on the port).
> Try following the instructions above and this shouldn't happen.
> 
> - Frank

-- 
   Art Wildman - wildman@mediaone.net    
"Linux is user-friendly, it's just particular about who it's friends are."

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From: rjordan@Jupiter.mcs.net (Richard Jordan)
Subject: Re: Kermit script or program to monitor serial line?
Date: 13 Oct 1999 16:28:01 -0500
Organization: A private user of MCSnet
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

> In article <7u0a86$1idi$1@mars.mcs.net>,
> Richard Jordan <rjordan@Mars.mcs.net> wrote:
> : We're using a Routeabout Access EW as a central router in a frame relay
> : configuration; ...
> .
> : 
> : I'm hoping someone has sample code (maybe in BASIC?) for this type of
> : application, but I'd appreciate opinions on whether something like
> : this can be handled using Kermit scripting...
> .
> No.  Kermit has tens of thousands of lines of code already written to do
> what you want.  Why duplicate all that?
> 
> I'd recommend you start with C-Kermit 7.0:
> 
>   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html
> .
> 
> For lots of C-Kermit script examples, see:
> 
>   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
> 
> - Frank

Frank,
     I had looked at the Columbia script site and didn't see anything
directly applicable.  I will check it again.  I do have the more recent
C_Kermit book (purchased last December, I think its for V6) and, while it
has fine examples, I'm time limited enough right now to hope to locate a
piece of already-done code to base things on.

     I appreciate your taking the time to respond!  I will be looking at 
Kermit as the most likely solution to this problem...

Rich Jordan
rjordan@mcs.net



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Opening a tty for exclusive access
Date: 14 Oct 1999 13:11:31 GMT
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An interesting question came recently in the beta testing of
C-Kermit 7.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

How does one open a dialout (tty) device in QNX for exclusive
access?  In other forms of UNIX we have the hideous UUCP
lockfile mechanism, but not in QNX.

A user who was testing Kermit on QNX tried out the "find a free
dialout device" script:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/scripts/ckermit/getline

and it didn't work at all.  User A could grab /dev/ser1, make a
call, and be carrying on a session, and user B could open the
same device while user A's session is active.

I assume that QNX must have some API for opening a device (or
file) for exclusive access, but I don't know what it is.  Can
someone help?

Thanks!

Frank da Cruz
The Kermit Project
Columbia University

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: C-Kermit 7.0 for VOS
Date: 14 Oct 1999 13:02:03 GMT
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Thanks to some newly discovered VOS sites, C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.10 has
now been built -- and binaries are available -- for both Continuum and
mc680x0 (CISC) platforms.  All four configurations:

 . TCP/IP support included, but not X.25
 . X.25 support included, but not TCP/IP
 . TCP/IP and X.25 support included
 . No networking support included

have been built for each platform.  The results are available at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

However, we still have not located a build site for i860 (RISC).

It would also be good to get builds on older VOS versions, since some
of the binaries we have now might be too "advanced" for many VOS sites:

  CONT: 14.0.2g
  CISC: 13.3.3o

If you can build C programs on CISC and would like to make the needed
VOS C-Kermit binaries (it's relatively painless), please contact me.  

Thanks!

Frank da Cruz
The Kermit Project
Columbia University

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From: mgibby@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Recurring Print problems with k95
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:07:53 GMT
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I am having trouble with a user printing with the print screen key
while in a terminal session.  It prints, but also executes an
f3....This is causing problems on this end.   Are there any settings
or advice you can give me?  We have a substantial user base and this
seems to be a recurring problem.



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Subject: Re: Recurring Print problems with k95
Date: 14 Oct 1999 19:30:35 GMT
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In article <38062917.22287033@netnews.worldnet.att.net>,
 <mgibby@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: I am having trouble with a user printing with the print screen key
: while in a terminal session.  It prints, but also executes an
: f3....This is causing problems on this end.   Are there any settings
: or advice you can give me?  We have a substantial user base and this
: seems to be a recurring problem.
: 
The Print Screen key is not handled, or even seen, by Kermit.  Windows
handles this key itself.

Instead of Windows Print Screen, try Kermit 95's own print-screen function,
which is normally assigned to Alt-p.  (Use Alt-h to see a popup describing
some of K95's more important hot keys.)

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Subject: Re: Problems with Exit from dail script to take script
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Date: 14 Oct 99 18:17:09 MDT
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In article <939806492.394521@perla.rotterdam.luna.net>, "Chris H. de Dijker" <webmaster@copex.nl> writes:
> I use the following simple (mskermit 3.15)-script for testing:
> 
> ;download.scr
> set modem bestdata
> dial test
> if failure goto notconnect
> echo Connection successful
> ; rest of the script
> hangup
> exit
> 
> :notconnect
> echo Connection failed
> set errorlevel 2
> hangup
> exit
> 
> Now I start the script with the command: kermit take download.scr
> Because I want to test the not connect status, I simulate a NO DIALTONE by
> removing the line from the modem.
> The bestdata.scr goes to the :FAIL Label and returns the END 1 command.
> The program goes back to download.scr. and allways displays that the
> connection was successful.
> 
> What's wrong ????
> 
> Please help me,
> 
> Regards,
> Chris de Dijker
> Email: chris.dedijker-AT-copex.nl
--------------
	This was discussed off line and indeed there is a bug in MSK
such that the value passed by the END command within the DIAL macro
was being ignored. The fix is in MSK v3.16 beta 8, due at Columbia Friday.
	Joe D.

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From: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>
Subject: C-Kermit for Plan 9
Organization: Columbia University
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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:09:28 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

C-Kermit communications software version 7.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

is nearing the end of its development phase.  As noted in a recent
posting, it will include UTF-8 support, allowing text files to be
imported and exported from/to Plan 9 to/from other platforms that use
different character sets.  It will also allow terminal sessions with
other computers that use "traditional" character sets like ISO Latin-1,
Latin-2, Latin/Cyrillic, Latin/Greek, Latin/Hebrew, the many ISO 646
national character sets, and numerous proprietary sets.

However, since Plan 9 has a different networking API than the other
platforms where C-Kermit runs (UNIX, VMS, VOS, AOS/VS, etc), it can't
be used as a Telnet or Rlogin client on Plan 9.  I understand that
the Plan 9 networking API is "trivial" (a network connection looks like
a file), and I had Plan'd to take care of it myself, but I have not had
any luck installing Plan 9 on any of the local PCs (still trying), and
don't have guest access to any Plan 9 systems either.

Would anybody like to give this a shot?  It shouldn't be too awful;
the network primitives (open, read, write, close) are well isolated,
and the Telnet and Rlogin protocol interpreters are totally isolated
from the networking code.

If we don't get networking into Plan 9 for 7.0, the next release
probably won't be for 2-3 years.

If you're interested, please send email.  Thanks!

- Frank

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From: Jay Weinshenker <jweinshe@concentric.net>
Subject: Capturing output to file from script (UNIX)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:57:00 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hello.

I'm running C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x    and
configuring it to run a script and that's it.  In this script, I've got
everything going well, except that at one point it downloads a file.

Now, the server I am connecting to prompts for a filename and upon my
script passing a filename and a carriage return, the server spews the
file to the screen (which is ok).  I'm having a DEVIL of a time getting
my kermit client to capture this output to a file - I've tried set
session-log binary, set session-log text, and also set printer
<filename> and I can't seem to get any of them to work - I *know* this
is possible...

Can someone help me with this?

Please e-mail any responses to jweinshe@concentric.net or post reply.

Thanks.

J



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Capturing output to file from script (UNIX)
Date: 15 Oct 1999 16:04:58 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <38074E30.2DBED3DB@concentric.net>,
Jay Weinshenker  <jweinshe@concentric.net> wrote:
: I'm running C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x    and
: configuring it to run a script and that's it.  In this script, I've got
: everything going well, except that at one point it downloads a file.
: 
: Now, the server I am connecting to prompts for a filename and upon my
: script passing a filename and a carriage return, the server spews the
: file to the screen (which is ok).  I'm having a DEVIL of a time getting
: my kermit client to capture this output to a file - I've tried set
: session-log binary, set session-log text, and also set printer
: <filename> and I can't seem to get any of them to work - I *know* this
: is possible...
: 
: Can someone help me with this?
: 
Let's suppose it's a text file, since it usually doesn't make sense to
spew a binary file to the screen.  Then all it should take is:

  log session capture.log
  output <filename>\13
  input 200 <xxx>
  if fail echo WARNING: INPUT timed out after 200 seconds
  close session

where <xxx> is what the server prints when it's finished spewing the file,
and let's hope it's not in the file itself.  The result should be in the
capture.log file.

Or is this an HTTP GET?  In that case there might be a better way.

- Frank

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From: ERA <era@usit.net>
Organization: ERA Computer Consulting
Subject: C-kermit scripts to poll remote sites?
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:10:17 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I just looked through the script repository -

http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html

- to see if there were any scripts upon which I could build a polling
process. Unfortunately I saw nothing.

I will soon be in the process of upgrading a client with four store
locations and will need this script by late November, early December.
I'm recommending they buy c-kermit (OpenServer 5.0.5) for the polling
system at the main store and one of the remotes and DOS-Kermit (IBM
PC-DOS 2000) on two of the remotes.

I don't look forward to trying to do this from scratch on top of all
the other upgrade work involved. If anyone has a polling script they
wish to share I would appreciate the help. I'm looking for something
with failsafes and redundancy for failed transmissions. E-mail me
anything you have or a message if you wish to discuss this with me.
TIA!
-- 
Gene Alexander <era@usit.net>
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Subject: Re: rzsz with C-kermit & Solaris
From: caf@agora.rdrop.com (Chuck Forsberg)
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Date: 17 Oct 1999 02:45:27 -0500
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In article <37ea7bcf.200731823@news.mindspring.com>,
David Price <djprice@mindspring.com> wrote:
>fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
>
>>In article <37ea1ce0.176424958@news.mindspring.com>,
>>David Price <djprice@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>: I am attempting to use sz with C-kermit on a Solaris 2.6 X86 system
>>: without much success.  The rzsz version is 3.49 from Omen Tech.
>>: C-kermit is version 6.0.192.  The problem is as follows:
>>: 
>>: - I connect and login to the remote site successfully using kermit.
>>: - I enter the following command within kermit:
>>: 	!sz -v file_to_send </dev/cua/b >/dev/cua/b
>>: - The following is echoed back to the screen a few times:
>>: 	**B0100000000027fed4

As explained in the DOC files that come with rz/sz,
you should be using crz/sz (client rz/sz) with Kermit.
The file is crrzsz.zip at http://www.omen.com


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Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95
From: cangel@famvid.com
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Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:52:07 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu



On 1999-10-08 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu(FrankdaCruz) said:

FD><cangel@famvid.com> wrote:
FD>: I'm using the 3.14 version of MSKermit patched to level 9 and
FD>have tried : running the 3.16 beta MSK16 but it seems the APC
FD>control will _not_ shut : off?

FD>: I seem to recall reading that the 'set terminal apc on' and 'off'
FD>are : reversed or something?

FD>Not that I know of.  Can you please state the sequence of events
FD>that leads you to this conclusion?

It auto-detects when I'm trying to upload and download and jumps to the
appropriate screen but with no directory information nor a filename to
upload.  I exit and it restarts about 7-8 times before finally giving up.

Version 3.14 does not do this using the same config files, just 3.16 beta
does this.  Nothing I've tried will persuade kermit to wait for me to
define a filename and or path.

FD>: Was this ever fixed and if so where would I find the patch file
FD>for this? :

FD>: BTW: I am hoping to convince Kim Heino (author of LINUX BBBS) and
FD>the people : at Santronics (Wildcat BBS) to update the packet
FD>length in their software : implentations of the kermit protocol.
FD>It is set 'standard' at 94 byte : packets and it CRAWLS.  I can do
FD>9k packets no problem with UNIX systems : that have this packet
FD>length max'd out.  If Frank D. Cruz is reading this - : how about
FD>shooting them an email explaining that 94 byte packets is no :
FD>longer the 'standard' required for proper kermit transfers? :

FD>There is no standard packet length.  All that's standard are the
FD>parameters and procedures by which the length is negotiated.  The
FD>file receiver tells the sender the maximum packet length (up to
FD>~9K) it is prepared to accept. The sender may not send packets
FD>longer than that but of course can send shorter ones.

FD>Most 3rd-party Kermit protocol implementations are limited to
FD>94-byte packets and 1 window slot because that's the bare minimum
FD>required by the protocol definition, and the easiest to program.

FD>: Maybe they
FD>: would believe you and just _do_ it rather than argue about it?

FD>I'd recommend they simply make a provision to allow the owner of
FD>the BBS to substitute C-Kermit as an external implementation of the
FD>Kermit protocol. There is no reason for them to try to duplicate
FD>all the work we've put into C-Kermit all these years, and then
FD>track changes in the future.  Let them concentrate on the BBS
FD>aspects and let us concentrate on the Kermit protocol.

I agree with your logic.  I will see if the authors of these BBS packages
can accept this as logical. 8)

FD>Ditto for DOS-based BBS's -- if they can be configured to
FD>substitute external protocols for built-ones, then MS-DOS Kermit
FD>can be used.  See the Kermit News article:
FD>http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html#bbs

Charles Angelich

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95
Date: 17 Oct 1999 14:29:19 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <rThO3.2675$i3.140443@news21b.ispnews.com>,
 <cangel@famvid.com> wrote:
: FD>: I seem to recall reading that the 'set terminal apc on' and 'off'
: FD>are : reversed or something?
: 
: FD>Not that I know of.  Can you please state the sequence of events
: FD>that leads you to this conclusion?
: 
: It auto-detects when I'm trying to upload and download and jumps to the
: appropriate screen but with no directory information nor a filename to
: upload.  I exit and it restarts about 7-8 times before finally giving up.
: 
: Version 3.14 does not do this using the same config files, just 3.16 beta
: does this.  Nothing I've tried will persuade kermit to wait for me to
: define a filename and or path.

MSK 3.15 support Autodownload in Terminal mode.

   set terminal autodownload {on, off}

This is a separate mechanism than APCs.  With authodownload the Kermit
packets are recognized and processed as if a Kermit SERVER was 
operational.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: C-kermit scripts to poll remote sites?
Date: 17 Oct 1999 15:18:11 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7ucpbj$bpu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <380913E3.37DB2EF3@usit.net>, ERA  <era@usit.net> wrote:
: I just looked through the script repository -
: 
: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
: 
: - to see if there were any scripts upon which I could build a polling
: process. Unfortunately I saw nothing.
: 
: I will soon be in the process of upgrading a client with four store
: locations and will need this script by late November, early December.
: I'm recommending they buy c-kermit (OpenServer 5.0.5) for the polling
: system at the main store and one of the remotes and DOS-Kermit (IBM
: PC-DOS 2000) on two of the remotes.
: 
: I don't look forward to trying to do this from scratch on top of all
: the other upgrade work involved. If anyone has a polling script they
: wish to share I would appreciate the help. I'm looking for something
: with failsafes and redundancy for failed transmissions. E-mail me
: anything you have or a message if you wish to discuss this with me.
: TIA!
:
A fair chunk of Chapter 19 of the manual:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html

is devoted to this topic.

- Frank

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From: "Eric J. Paulsen" <epaulsen@smls.org>
Subject: Logging Data on ttyS1 with Kermit
Message-ID: <M5qO3.2626$C8.742431@homer.alpha.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:13:07 -0500
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I have a phone switch connected to my RH5.2 Linux box via a serial cable. It
simply dumps phone usage data. I would like to have kermit upon system
startup connect to /dev/ttyS1 and log all data to /var/log/phonelog.

While I can get the connection started with a line like:

kermit -l /dev/ttyS1 -b 4800 -c

I'm not sure how to get kermit to write to the specified log file. Any help
would be appreciated. TIA.

Eric



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Logging Data on ttyS1 with Kermit
Date: 17 Oct 1999 20:27:32 GMT
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In article <M5qO3.2626$C8.742431@homer.alpha.net>,
Eric J. Paulsen <epaulsen@smls.org> wrote:
: I have a phone switch connected to my RH5.2 Linux box via a serial cable. It
: simply dumps phone usage data. I would like to have kermit upon system
: startup connect to /dev/ttyS1 and log all data to /var/log/phonelog.
: 
: While I can get the connection started with a line like:
: 
: kermit -l /dev/ttyS1 -b 4800 -c
: 
: I'm not sure how to get kermit to write to the specified log file. Any help
: would be appreciated. TIA.
: 
Try this:

  kermit -C "set line /dev/ttyS1, set speed 4800, -
  log session /var/log/phonelog, input -1 XXXX"

where "input -1" means "no time limit" and XXXX is some character string
that will never come.  (Note: the line is broken for news; put it all one
one line).

Better, however, to use a script.  The following is for C-Kermit 7.0:

---(cut here)---
#!/usr/local/bin/wermit +
set carrier-watch off                 ; If the device does not assert CD
set modem type none
set line /dev/ttyS1
if fail exit 1 Can't open /dev/ttyS1
set speed 4800
log session /var/log/phonelog append  ; Append to this log file
if fail exit 1 Can't open /var/log/phonelog
input -1 SOME-STRING-THAT-WILL-NEVER-COME
if fail exit 1 INPUT failed
exit 0 ; Theoretically this statement will not be reached.
---(cut here)---

Cut out and save the script, if necessary change the first line to reflect
the actual location of the C-Kermit 7.0 binary, give the script execute
permission, and run it as if it were a shell script.  Find C-Kermit 7.0 at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

- Frank

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Subject: [Q] how to take an action on closing network connection OR redefine a command
From: Matt Swift <swift@alum.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <m2ln91jmj0.fsf@aleph.swift.xxx>
Date: 18 Oct 1999 00:55:15 -0400
Organization: Shore.Net/Eco Software, Inc; (info@shore.net)
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


I want to use kermit to telnet to certain remote hosts via a local
port forwarded by ssh ("tunnelling").  Suppose I want to telnet to my
isp at shell.isp.com, and suppose I've defined `login' as a kermit
macro which supplies user and password.  This macro would bring up a
normal, insecure connection:

define isp -
  set host shell.isp.com,-
  login,-
  connect

Now I want to redefine `isp' so that I can use it in the same way but
it uses the tunelling method.  Suppose I write a shell script `tunnel'
that will establish the tunnel before exiting.

define isp,-
  run tunnel start isp,-
  set host localhost:9000 /telnet,-
  login,-
  connect

This works just fine, except that the tunnel must be shut down
manually.  I would like to improve this macro so that the tunnel will
be closed (by taken the action `run tunnel stop isp') automatically
when kermit closes the connection.  I do not see that there is any
direct way to do this with kermit, so I thought of redefining
the `close' command.  Unfortunately it does not seem possible.  I tried:

assign close-orig close
define close -
  echo a message,-
  close-orig

After this, `close' from the kermit prompt executes the command
`close' as usual.  It does not execute the macro `close' that I just
defined.  If I do this:

define my-close -
  echo a message,-
  close-orig

typing `my-close' from the kermit prompt works as expected.  But this
is not elegant or convenient IMO. 

I would much appreciate any advice on how to arrange that kermit will
take a definable action when a network connection is closed with
`close' -- or, prefereably, when it is closed for whatever reason, but
I though that this was a bit too ambitious to try to accomplish.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: [Q] how to take an action on closing network connection OR redefine a command
Date: 18 Oct 1999 13:18:33 GMT
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In article <m2ln91jmj0.fsf@aleph.swift.xxx>,
Matt Swift  <swift@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
: I want to use kermit to telnet to certain remote hosts via a local
: port forwarded by ssh ("tunnelling").  Suppose I want to telnet to my
: isp at shell.isp.com, and suppose I've defined `login' as a kermit
: macro which supplies user and password.  This macro would bring up a
: normal, insecure connection:
: 
: define isp -
:   set host shell.isp.com,-
:   login,-
:   connect
: 
: Now I want to redefine `isp' so that I can use it in the same way but
: it uses the tunelling method.  Suppose I write a shell script `tunnel'
: that will establish the tunnel before exiting.
: 
: define isp,-
:   run tunnel start isp,-
:   set host localhost:9000 /telnet,-
:   login,-
:   connect
: 
As an aside, this would work very nicely in C-Kermit with:

  pipe ssh <hostname>

except that the UNIX ssh client does not use standard i/o.  Go figure.
(You can pipe rlogin, various telnet clients, cu, etc, but not ssh.)
(And of course we can't put ssh in Kermit itself due to licensing and
legal considerations.)

: This works just fine, except that the tunnel must be shut down
: manually.  I would like to improve this macro so that the tunnel will
: be closed (by taken the action `run tunnel stop isp') automatically
: when kermit closes the connection.  I do not see that there is any
: direct way to do this with kermit, so I thought of redefining
: the `close' command.  Unfortunately it does not seem possible.  I tried:
: 
: assign close-orig close
: define close -
:   echo a message,-
:   close-orig
: 
: After this, `close' from the kermit prompt executes the command
: `close' as usual.  It does not execute the macro `close' that I just
: defined.  If I do this:
: 
: define my-close -
:   echo a message,-
:   close-orig
: 
: typing `my-close' from the kermit prompt works as expected.  But this
: is not elegant or convenient IMO. 
: 
You can't define a macro to supersede a built-in command.  Imagine the
mischief you could cause if you could...  If you really want to execeute
a macro whose name is the same as built-in command, use "do", as in
"define close ..." and then "do close".

: I would much appreciate any advice on how to arrange that kermit will
: take a definable action when a network connection is closed with
: `close' -- or, prefereably, when it is closed for whatever reason, but
: I though that this was a bit too ambitious to try to accomplish.
:
Something like this maybe?  (C-Kermit 7.0):

  define login <script login sequence>
  define shut <commands for shutting down the tunnel>

  define isp {
      run tunnel start isp
      set host localhost:9000 /telnet
      if fail end 1 Can't make connection
      login
      if fail end 1 Login failure
      while ( > \v(ttyfd) -1 ) {
	  connect
      }
      shut
  }

Before 7.0 is released, we might also be able to add an ON_CLOSE macro
capability, similar to the current ON_EXIT macro.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: [Q] how to take an action on closing network connection OR redefine a command
From: Matt Swift <swift@alum.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <m21zas3b4l.fsf@aleph.swift.xxx>
Date: 18 Oct 1999 12:08:10 -0400
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Thanks very much for your reply.

>>"F" == Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> writes:

    F> As an aside, this would work very nicely in C-Kermit with:

    F> pipe ssh <hostname>

    F> except that the UNIX ssh client does not use standard i/o.  Go figure.
    F> (You can pipe rlogin, various telnet clients, cu, etc, but not ssh.)
    F> (And of course we can't put ssh in Kermit itself due to licensing and
    F> legal considerations.)

I have heard several places that OpenBSD is developing an open-source
ssh replacement, and I saw a link yesterday that called the project
"psst".  Worth requesting the option for it to use stdio and thus work
with kermit's PIPE?  Perhaps this would only encourage more people to
use RSA public key over the better soln of a kerberized IKSD -- but
Kerberos has its own problems with open-source status, and I think
kermit would gain popularity if it worked with psst.

    F> You can't define a macro to supersede a built-in command.  Imagine the
    F> mischief you could cause if you could...  

For someone like me who has worked for a decade with TeX, such
"mischief" is a standard way to get things done.

    F> If you really want to execeute
    F> a macro whose name is the same as built-in command, use "do", as in
    F> "define close ..." and then "do close".

Aha, I thought there might have been something like this, and there it
is, staring me in the face on p. 216.

For the moment, I've gotten in the habit of all the time typing a
substitute for 'close' -- 'closet'.

    assign closet close
    def acslog {
        spawn tunnel start acs
        assign closet { run tunnel stop acs, close, assign closet { close }}
        set host localhost:9002 /telnet
        login
    }


    F> Before 7.0 is released, we might also be able to add an ON_CLOSE macro
    F> capability, similar to the current ON_EXIT macro.

It seems to me that such a thing would be useful in more situations
than the one I described.  It would make the macro additionally useful
if a variable were set indicating the cause of the close.  Since there
only seem to be a small number of possible reasons for a close
('close', 'hangup', a remote disconnect, a lost connection, ...) this
seems not a big change to many parts of the code to set a flag.  This
would permit, for instance, an ON_CLOSE macro to notify a user the
connection closed for an unexpected reason and to refrain from notice
if it was an expected reason.

    F> Something like this maybe?  (C-Kermit 7.0):

    F> define isp {
    F> run tunnel start isp
    F> set host localhost:9000 /telnet
    F> if fail end 1 Can't make connection
    F> login
    F> if fail end 1 Login failure
    F> while ( > \v(ttyfd) -1 ) {
    F> connect
    F> }
    F> shut
    F> }

I tried something like this, and it works as expected, but it does not
permit me to move back and forth from the connection to the Kermit
command line.  The first time you his ESC-c the connection is shut
down.

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From: Matt Swift <swift@alum.mit.edu>
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>>"M" == Matt Swift <swift@alum.mit.edu> writes:

    M> The 'tunnel' script I wrote is a very simple shell script, and could
    M> be improved 

...and then again, it's simple enough that it could easily be
implemented in kermit script.  i'll post here if i do this.

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From: Matt Swift <swift@alum.mit.edu>
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>>"M" == Matt Swift <swift@alum.mit.edu> writes:

>>"F" == Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> writes:

    F> Before 7.0 is released, we might also be able to add an ON_CLOSE macro
    F> capability, similar to the current ON_EXIT macro.

    M> It seems to me that such a thing would be useful in more situations
    M> than the one I described.  

Even if the free ssh replacement still won't work with PIPE, the
ON_CLOSE feature would make it almost as simple to use tunnelling.
The 'tunnel' script I wrote is a very simple shell script, and could
be improved to echo to stdout the machine:port actually used for the
tunnel, rather than relying on a convention as I have so far:

    ; errors/failures not caught in this simple version
    def isplog {
        open !read tunnel start isp
        assign ON_CLOSE { run tunnel stop isp }
        read \%p                 ; e.g., localhost:9002
        set host \%p /telnet
        login
    }

The machine echoed by 'tunnel' would always be "localhost", but maybe
in some circumstances 'tunnel' wants to tell you to go ahead and use
the actual remote machine -- maybe 'tunnel' knows it is secure or
something.

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Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95
From: cangel@famvid.com
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On 1999-10-17 jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu(JeffreyAltman) said:

JA> It  auto-detects  when I'm trying to upload and download and
JA> jumps  to  the  appropriate  screen  but  with  no directory
JA> information  nor  a  filename  to  upload.  I  exit  and  it
JA> restarts about 7-8 times before finally giving up. 

JA> Version  3.14  does not do this using the same config files,
JA> just  3.16  beta does this. Nothing I've tried will persuade
JA> kermit to wait for me to define a filename and or path. 

JA> MSK 3.15 support Autodownload in Terminal mode. 

JA> set terminal autodownload {on, off} 

JA> This  is  a separate mechanism than APCs. With authodownload
JA> the  Kermit  packets  are  recognized  and processed as if a
JA> Kermit SERVER was operational. 

    Ok, will try that command on 3.16 beta I have here. 

    I  assume work on the MSK-DOS versions has stopped but was there
    a  version  released  _after_  MSK316  or do I have the absolute
    last / final version _ever_? 

    What  compiler  was  the MSK-DOS version targeted for (in case I
    get  the  courage  to  muck  around  with  the  source  code and
    recompile). 

    BTW:  I  should've  mentioned  this  before  -  I was pleasantly
    surprised  when  I  did get MSK-DOS to work on my old 8086 here.
    It  is very stable and an extremely feature-rich program to have
    on  a  system as old and limited as this one. You gentleman have
    something  you can point to as an 'achievement'. I am anxious to
    get  my  other  systems  back  in  operation  and  see what your
    CKermit can do on 32 bit hardware - it must be AWESOME! 

>
>     Charles.Angelich
>       @AngelFire.com
>          USA, MI


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From: bkennelly@my-deja.com
Subject: File type attributes in Kermit 95
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 04:39:52 GMT
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Hi,

I am transferring files between TSO-Kermit (4.3.3) and Kermit 95
(1.1.17).  Kermit 95 seems to ignore the file type attribute when
TSO-Kermit is the sender.  It always tries to receive the files with the
file type defined on K95.  I tried turning off PATTERNS, but it didn't
help.  SET ATTRIBUTE ON, SET ATTIBUTE TYPE ON on both sides didn't help.

I can send the files by setting the file type explicitly to both sides,
but as I understand it the sender should be able to control the file
type.

I captured the transfer negotiations with SET DEBUG ON:


With SET FILE TYPE BINARY on TSO:
S: 8 S~% @-#&3~Z 4-0___F"I2C
R: 8 Y~/ @-#Y3~^$5$0___B"UN(
S: 2!FEXECRPT1.CNTL!>!
R: B!YC:/K95/DOWNLOAD/EXECRPT1.CNTL.T=
S: 8"A."I2"!B#(19990914@ /T4
R: %"Y.5!


With SET FILE TYPE TEXT on TSO:
S: 8 S~% @-#&3~Z 4-0___D"I2A
R: 8 Y~/ @-#Y3~^$5$0___B"UN(
S: 2!FEXECRPT1.CNTL!>!
R: B!YC:/K95/DOWNLOAD/EXECRPT1.CNTL.T=
S: F"A."I2"!A*'CI6/100/#AMJ#(19990914@ ! &
R: %"Y.5!

In each case, K95 had the opposite setting and ignored the file type
attribute.

Thanks,
Brian


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Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95
Date: 20 Oct 1999 05:46:15 GMT
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In article <sqbP3.3470$i3.181086@news21b.ispnews.com>,
 <cangel@famvid.com> wrote:
:     I  assume work on the MSK-DOS versions has stopped but was there
:     a  version  released  _after_  MSK316  or do I have the absolute
:     last / final version _ever_? 

Work on MSK continues with whatever limited time Joe Doupnik is able
to spend on it.

:     What  compiler  was  the MSK-DOS version targeted for (in case I
:     get  the  courage  to  muck  around  with  the  source  code and
:     recompile). 

MASM 6.11

:     BTW:  I  should've  mentioned  this  before  -  I was pleasantly
:     surprised  when  I  did get MSK-DOS to work on my old 8086 here.
:     It  is very stable and an extremely feature-rich program to have
:     on  a  system as old and limited as this one. You gentleman have
:     something  you can point to as an 'achievement'. I am anxious to
:     get  my  other  systems  back  in  operation  and  see what your
:     CKermit can do on 32 bit hardware - it must be AWESOME! 

Thanks go to Joe for that miracle.  Frank and I continue to try to make 
C-Kermit a valuable tool for the Internet age.  See 

  http://www.kermit-project.org/ck70.html

for the latest info on C-Kermit.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: File type attributes in Kermit 95
Date: 20 Oct 1999 14:23:27 GMT
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In article <7ujh2o$fre$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  <bkennelly@my-deja.com> wrote:
: I am transferring files between TSO-Kermit (4.3.3) and Kermit 95
: (1.1.17).  Kermit 95 seems to ignore the file type attribute when
: TSO-Kermit is the sender.  It always tries to receive the files with the
: file type defined on K95.  I tried turning off PATTERNS, but it didn't
: help.  SET ATTRIBUTE ON, SET ATTIBUTE TYPE ON on both sides didn't help.
: 
: I can send the files by setting the file type explicitly to both sides,
: but as I understand it the sender should be able to control the file
: type.
: 
: I captured the transfer negotiations with SET DEBUG ON:
: 
: With SET FILE TYPE BINARY on TSO:
: S: 8 S~% @-#&3~Z 4-0___F"I2C
: R: 8 Y~/ @-#Y3~^$5$0___B"UN(
: S: 2!FEXECRPT1.CNTL!>!
: R: B!YC:/K95/DOWNLOAD/EXECRPT1.CNTL.T=
: S: 8"A."I2"!B#(19990914@ /T4
: R: %"Y.5!
: 
: 
: With SET FILE TYPE TEXT on TSO:
: S: 8 S~% @-#&3~Z 4-0___D"I2A
: R: 8 Y~/ @-#Y3~^$5$0___B"UN(
: S: 2!FEXECRPT1.CNTL!>!
: R: B!YC:/K95/DOWNLOAD/EXECRPT1.CNTL.T=
: S: F"A."I2"!A*'CI6/100/#AMJ#(19990914@ ! &
: R: %"Y.5!
: 
: In each case, K95 had the opposite setting and ignored the file type
: attribute.
: 
Excellent report, but I can't reproduce the problem.  K95 obeys the
file type attribute from Kermit-370 on VM/CMS (I've taken the liberty
of lining up the corresponding fields, and highlighting the file-type
attributes):

Text:
  VM/CMS:  A!!1."I1"!A*'CI6/100/#AMJ#119911122 19:28:44@
  MVS/TSO: A   ."I2"!A*'CI6/100/#AMJ#(19990914@
                   ^^^
Binary:
  VM/CMS:  A!!1."I1"!B#119911122 19:28:44@
  MVS/TSO: A   ."I2"!B#(19990914@
                   ^^^
All of these packets containt well-formed attribute lists.

The only differences are that:
  . The VM/CMS version includes the "Length in K" (!) attribute, and:
  . The VM/CMS includes the time of day in the file's timestamp.

These should not affect the file type.

SET FILE PATTERNS OFF only affects the file sender.  The file sender
tells the file receiver the file type (text or binary) in the
attribute packets as shown above.  The file receiver will never ignore
this notification, no matter what its FILE PATTERNS, FILE TYPE, or
TRANSFER MODE.  If you have told either one of the Kermit programs to
SET ATTRIBUTES OFF, then the attribute packet won't be sent at all,
which is clearly not what happened in this case.  The only way you can
make the receiver ignore this notification would be:

  SET ATTRIBUTE TYPE OFF
  SET FILE TYPE { TEXT or BINARY }

But that's not what you did, right?

Let's resolve this one offline.  Please collect a debug.log file from
K95 for each case, as well as a list of all the commands you gave to
K95 (including in your K95CUSTOM.INI file) prior to the incident, and
send them to kermit-support@columbia.edu

Also, not that it should make any difference, please tell us if this
problem is new to K-370 4.3.3 (I can't see how it would be).

- Frank

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Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:05:15 +0930
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cangel@famvid.com wrote:

>     I  have been in contact with one of the (LINUX) BBBS sysops that
>     operates    the  PDN  headquarters  and  she  is  interested  in
>     installing  C-Kermit  as  her  external  protocol to replace the
>     internal  kermit  from  BBBS  authors.  Problem  is she is a bit
>     intimidated  by  the  C-Kermit  docs.  I  explained  to her that
>     C-Kermit  is  a telnet terminal, a Kermit server, and a protocol
>     and many of the 'settings' don't apply to use of the protocol.
> 
>     I  believe  she only requires the Kerlite for use as an external
>     protocol  and  a config file to set it up properly (packet size,
>     windows, prefix codes, etc.)?
> 
>     There  is  a  great  deal of confusion lately with BBS operating
>     via  telnet  and  programs  that  will not interface with packet
>     drivers  nor fossil drivers being included with those that will.
>     Just  want  to  be  certain  I am not directing her to the wrong
>     executable. 8)

For Linux-based bbs's, C-Kermit would be quite straightforward to setup,
similar in fact to setting up C-Kermit as an uploader/downloader in
Lynx. Setting up an Internet Kermit Server Daemon (IKSD) is similar to
setting up an FTP server.

For a DOS-based bbs, I've successfully setup the most recent beta of MSK
3.16 as an external protocol with Maximus and the Bluewave mail door.
MSK uses the FOSSIL interface of the bbs. It would be easier for you to
contact me at my Fidonet address (Arthur Marsh at 3:800/812) if you want
details of the MSK and Maximus configuration files.

> 
> >
> >     Charles.Angelich
> >       @AngelFire.com
> >          USA, MI

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95
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Date: 20 Oct 99 20:41:37 MDT
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <AxrP3.3593$i3.189343@news21b.ispnews.com>, cangel@famvid.com writes:
>     On    1999-10-20   jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu(JeffreyAltman)
>     said: 
> 
> ja> I  assume  work  on the MSK-DOS versions has stopped but was
> ja> there  a  version  released  _after_ MSK316 or do I have the
> ja> absolute last / final version _ever_? 
> 
> ja> Work  on  MSK  continues  with  whatever  limited  time  Joe
> ja> Doupnik is able to spend on it.
> 
>     Thank you Joe Doupnik - and hang in there! 8)

	You are welcome, and thanks in turn.

>     I'm  still  not getting the same response from MSK316beta that I
>     get    from  the  3.14  level  9.  I  added  the  'set  terminal
>     autodownload  off'  to  the  mscustom.ini  and  the  auto detect
>     stopped  but  when  I  do a manual upload it just sits there and
>     times  out (this same 'ini' macro works correctly using the 3.14
>     mentioned above). 
> 
>     I  looked  (but  not  extensively)  and have not found a version
>     3.15 yet. 

	I promised to ship a newer beta of MSK 3.16 to Columbia at the
end of last week, and I am still behind. Thursday morning for sure.
	Joe D.

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Subject: Re: File type attributes in K95
Date: 21 Oct 1999 16:33:30 -0400
Organization: Columbia University
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> I am sending the dialing script and startup files, along with the
> debug.log and packet.log for this problem.  The only other commands
> given to K95 were LOG DEBUG ON and LOG PACKETS ON.
> 
OK...  The login script is the standard thing generated by the Dialer.
Nothing in it would explain any kind of text/binary reversal.  The
K95CUSTOM.INI file is vanilla (but has that odd printer thing which is
not relevant here...)

> After sending the file from Kermit-TSO as TEXT, I escaped out and SET
> FILE TYPE TEXT on K95, then connected and sent the same file as binary.
> 
> In each case the file transfer display on K95 showed the wrong type.
> I can't honestly tell you if the problem is new with Kermit TSO 4.3.3, I
> don't currently have access to any older versions.  Previously, I used
> C-Kermit for OS/2 (191?) and Kermit-TSO  (4.3.1 I think - I remember
> fixing the PDS prefix bug).  I don't remember encountering this problem.
> 
I think the mainframe business is a red herring.  The logs show that
mainframe Kermit is doing everything right.  When you send in text mode,
mainframe Kermit announces text, sends legible ASCII text like:

 DCB=(RECFM=VB,LRECL=255,BLKSIZE=0)

(heavens, JCL!) and K95 receives it as text, in text mode.  When mainframe
Kermit sends in binary mode, it announces binary, and sends raw EBCDIC,
which of course looks like gibberish in ASCII:

 ~&@#N~$prvpp#Oaa~-@&D&C&B#~M#NYECFT&#~eB&kSYECS&#~upp&kBSRbIiE&#

and K95 stores it that way (after decoding the Kermit escapes).

> I have done some further testing.  I created a file with all possible
> hex characters and transferred in al possible modes.
> 
> I found that even though K95's transfer display reported TEXT (Latin1 =>
> CP437), it did not translate any characters on a binary transfer, so the
> problem is probably in the transfer display code, rather than the
> attribute recognition.
> 
That seems to be it.  This is 1.1.17, right?  If I'm not mistaken, we did
fix some bugs in that area, and so our working copy shouldn't do this.  If
you'd like to try it, let me know.

> BTW: Can I put in a request for pipe support at the K95 command line?
> It wouldn't let me enter 'SHOW PRINTER > printer.txt' or 'SHOW
> ATTRIBUTES > problem.txt'
> 
This is probably not in the cards any time soon, but of course you can
always scroll the screen back and copy & paste with the mouse.

- Frank


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Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95
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On 1999-10-20 jrd@cc.usu.edu(JoeDoupnik) said:

JD>You are welcome, and thanks in turn.

    I've  really enjoyed using a program that can do what MSK can do
    and  not require a mini-mainframe to do it. It impresses me each
    time I load and run it and I use it every day 7 days a week! 

JD> I  promised  to ship a newer beta of MSK 3.16 to Columbia at
JD> the  end  of  last  week,  and  I  am still behind. Thursday
JD> morning for sure. 

    I  will  be  checking for it and very interested in helping test
    it since I use it daily that part is easy. 8) 

    It  will  be  difficult  to  improve  on  perfection  but I look
    forward to admiring your work! 

Charles.Angelich@Angelfire.com


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On 1999-10-21 marsh@ties.itu.ch said:

CA>> I  have been in contact with one of the (LINUX) BBBS sysops
CA>> that  operates  the  PDN headquarters and she is interested
CA>> in  installing C-Kermit as her external protocol to replace
CA>> the internal kermit from BBBS authors. 

    --8<--cut 

AM> For    Linux-based    bbs's,    C-Kermit    would  be  quite
AM> straightforward  to  setup,  similar  in  fact to setting up
AM> C-Kermit  as  an  uploader/downloader in Lynx. Setting up an
AM> Internet  Kermit  Server Daemon (IKSD) is similar to setting
AM> up an FTP server. 

AM> For  a  DOS-based  bbs,  I've  successfully  setup  the most
AM> recent  beta  of  MSK  3.16  as  an  external  protocol with
AM> Maximus  and  the  Bluewave  mail  door. MSK uses the FOSSIL
AM> interface  of the bbs. It would be easier for you to contact
AM> me  at my Fidonet address (Arthur Marsh at 3:800/812) if you
AM> want details of the MSK and Maximus configuration files. 

    That would be: arthur.marsh@f812.n800.z3.fidonet.org ? 

    I  can  try.  FIDO mail, and netmail in particular has been iffy
    since  the  North  American  Backbone(Z1)  has  broken  off into
    'factions'.  There  are  3  'backbones'  in North America now (I
    know, oxymoron 3 backbones). 

    I'm  trying  to locate a telnet'able FIDO BBS in the UK, Europe,
    Asia,  Australia,  S.America, Africa, etc. since I cannot depend
    on  the co-operation of my countrymen to get FIDO mail delivered
    at this time. 8( 

>
>     Charles.Angelich
>       @AngelFire.com
>          USA, MI

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Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:49:31 +0930
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cangel@famvid.com wrote:
> AM> For  a  DOS-based  bbs,  I've  successfully  setup  the most
> AM> recent  beta  of  MSK  3.16  as  an  external  protocol with
> AM> Maximus  and  the  Bluewave  mail  door. MSK uses the FOSSIL
> AM> interface  of the bbs. It would be easier for you to contact
> AM> me  at my Fidonet address (Arthur Marsh at 3:800/812) if you
> AM> want details of the MSK and Maximus configuration files.
> 
>     That would be: arthur.marsh@f812.n800.z3.fidonet.org ?

Yes, I don't know if that will work.

>     I  can  try.  FIDO mail, and netmail in particular has been iffy
>     since  the  North  American  Backbone(Z1)  has  broken  off into
>     'factions'.  There  are  3  'backbones'  in North America now (I
>     know, oxymoron 3 backbones).
> 
>     I'm  trying  to locate a telnet'able FIDO BBS in the UK, Europe,
>     Asia,  Australia,  S.America, Africa, etc. since I cannot depend
>     on  the co-operation of my countrymen to get FIDO mail delivered
>     at this time. 8(

Although it's not up right at this moment, you can telnet to
cg.dircsa.org.au (202.14.187.122), and once registered and upgraded
(free), you could leave me mail there as I have an account on that
machine.

Obligatory On Topic Comment: cg.dircsa.org.au supports Kermit transfers.

Regards,

Arthur.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: DEC-C version 6 question (Kermit)
Date: 23 Oct 1999 15:36:09 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <38111B66.CF82EC1D@videotron.ca>,
JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz wrote:
: > Luckily, just as gcc has "-funsigned-char", DECC has /UNSIGNED_CHAR.
: > I'm not sure how far back it goes, but I added it to the C-Kermit build
: > procedure a few months ago and haven't had any complaints yet.
: 
: Well Mr da Cruz... the reason I started this whole migration was because the
: VAX-C compiler would abort with a strange error code while compiling the
: KERMIT source (7 build 196 which I picked up 2 days ago). I figured I should
: upgrade to DEC-C and get with the times....
: 
What version of the VAX C compiler?  As you can see from the list of binaries
at the end of:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

this same code was built on numerous VAX platforms going back to VMS 4.5 and
who-knows-what version of VAX C.  The idea of Kermit code is that it should
be buildable with any compiler; it should not force you to install some new
compiler (within reason of course -- for example if a certain version of
some compiler has a fatal bug, you'll want to upgrade it anyway).  The idea
of a Beta test is if you have problems with it, you should report them.

: And looking at CKVKER.COM that comes with it, when you select the "inboard
: make". the CC optiosn do not contain /UNSIGNED_CHAR :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
: 
Oops, you're right!  My working copy has it, but evidently it was added
after Beta.10 (which is still current).  Sorry!  I should have checked the
logs rather than relying on recollection. 

: Now, with the DECC compiler, 
: 
: CKWART compiles without errors.
: 
: But ckcmai ... well that is another story.
: 
: It generates plenty of ERRORS.  (as do the other modules).
: 
: It hates "u_int" and u_char.
: 
That's because you can't just add /UNSIGNED_CHAR without also making some
adjustments in the source.  This has all been done in the working copy.

I'll be issuing Beta.11 soon.  In the meantime:

 . If you want a crack at the working sources, which use /UNSIGNED_CHAR
   for DEC C, you can find them at:

     ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/special/vms.zip 

 . If anybody can tell me how far back /UNSIGNED_CHAR goes in the history
   of DEC C, it might save us some time and grief.

 . Additional VMS build sites are needed; if you can provide one, please
   let me know.

At present, I can build C-Kermit on the following platforms (or in a few
cases, others do the build and send it in):

Alpha:

  VMS 6.2,   no TCP/IP
  VMS 6.2,   UCX 4.0
  VMS 7.1,   no TCP/IP
  VMS 7.1,   MultiNet 4.0A
  VMS 7.1,   MultiNet 4.0B
  VMS 7.1,   MultiNet 4.1A
  VMS 7.1,   UCX 4.1
  VMS 7.2,   no TCP/IP
  VMS 7.2,   MultiNet 4.2A
  VMS 7.2,   UCX 5.0
  
VAX:
  
  VMS 4.5,   no TCP/IP
  VMS 4.7,   no TCP/IP
  VMS 5.5-2, no TCP/IP
  VMS 5.5-2, UCX 2.0
  VMS 5.5-2, MultiNet 4.1B
  VMS 7.1,   no TCP/IP
  VMS 7.1,   MultiNet 4.0B
  VMS 7.1,   Wollongong 3.5
  VMS 7.1,   UCX 4.2
  VMS 7.2,   No TCP/IP
  VMS 7.2,   UCX 5.0

If you can provide access to any combinations of hardware (VAX or Alpha),
VMS version, and TCP/IP product not listed above, and have DEC C, VAX C,
or GCC, or can do builds yourself, please contact me.

The ones needed most are:

  VMS 4.x on VAX (pre-4.5)
  VMS 5.x on VAX (pre-5.5)
  VMS 6.x on VAX (any)
  VMS 1.x on Alpha

I don't think it's possible to build C-Kermit on VMS 3.x or earlier but
then I don't know if anybody on earth is still running any version of VMS
prior to 4.0.

In any case, my objective is assemble the largest possible collection of VMS
binaries to provide the widest possible coverage for all conceivable VMS
configurations in C-Kermit 7.0.  (Others may be dropping support for VMS, but
the Kermit Project is not.)

Thanks!

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: KOI80-u (was DEC-C version 6 question)
Date: 23 Oct 1999 18:36:00 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <Pine.BSF.4.05.9910231910520.15947-100000@ff.dsu.dp.ua>,
Dmitry Pryanishnikov  <dmitry@digital.dp.ua> wrote:
: On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Frank da Cruz wrote:
: > :  255       FF      U042A      CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER HARD SIGN
: > : 
: > This is the first time I heard of KOI8-u.  How does it differ from 
: > KOI8-r?  Can you tell me where I can find a code chart for KOI8-u?
: 
:  Is suspect the full RFC is too large to post it here... So I put here
: just heading:
: 
Thanks.  This is somewhat off-topic for the VMS newsgroup (sorry) but...

KOI8 is a becoming a very confusing term!  The first KOI8 was GOST (USSR
Standard) 19768-1974.  It was published outside the USSR as ECMA-113
Edition 1.  In this version, the Cyrillic letters line up with the Roman
ones "by sound" (there is also a 7-bit version called Short KOI or KOI7,
in which Roman and Cyrillic exist side by side but only in uppercase, also
aligned by sound).

The original KOI8 was superseded by GOST 19768-1987 and published as
ECMA-113 Second Edition and as ISO 8859-5, the ISO Latin/Cyrillic Alphabet
(which, by the way, has the Ukranian and Belorussion characters).  This one
is sometimes also called "New KOI8" and the previous one is called "Old
KOI8".

Now I realize that Old KOI8 is used widely in netnews and email instead of
ISO 8859-5, and I understand why: if you don't have a Cyrillic font or code
page, you can strip off the 8th bit and still read Old KOI8 text in Roman
letters "by sound".  The part I did not realize before was that line- and
box-drawing characters had been added to Old KOI8 in columns 8 through B.
When did that happen?  Where is it documented?  (And how could graphic
characters be defined for columns 8 and 9, which are reserved for C1
control characters? -- This makes it incompatible with ISO 2022).  And what
do we call this Old KOI8 with box drawing?  "New Old KOI8?"

My other question is: RFC2319.TXT states that the four Ukrainian letters
(8 code points) are added at A4, A6, A7, AD, B4, B6, B7, and BD.  What
characters in "New-Old KOI8" were replaced, if any?

If I discover the answers to these questions, maybe I can add support for
KOI8-u and "New Old KOI8-r" to C-Kermit 7.0.  ("Old Old KOI8[-r]" is
already supported, as are ISO 8859-5, CP855, CP866, CP1251, Short KOI, and
now also the UCS).

- Frank

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Subject: One Step Upgrade from Kermit 95 1.1.4?
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:05:28 +0200
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In 1996 I started with K95 version 1.1.4, now I am running the latest
Kermit 1.1.17 - I went through all the different upgrade files wi11x-y.
Christmas is coming soon, and so is my new PC - perhaps.

Do I have to install on this new PC K95 1.1.4 first, and than all the
different upgrade files step by step?

Or do you plan to provide a one step upgrade from a random K95 version
to the latest version 1.1.17 or to the full-GUI release, at least for
registered users of Kermit 95?

Thanks
-- 
Michael Weinert, D-29633 Munster
mailto:Michael.Weinert@T-Online.de


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: One Step Upgrade from Kermit 95 1.1.4?
Date: 24 Oct 1999 15:22:07 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <38132038.9883CD3F@T-Online.de>,
Michael Weinert  <Michael.Weinert@T-Online.de> wrote:
: In 1996 I started with K95 version 1.1.4, now I am running the latest
: Kermit 1.1.17 - I went through all the different upgrade files wi11x-y.
: Christmas is coming soon, and so is my new PC - perhaps.
: 
: Do I have to install on this new PC K95 1.1.4 first, and than all the
: different upgrade files step by step?
: 
Only two steps are needed:

 1.1.4 -> 1.1.7 -> 1.1.17

: Or do you plan to provide a one step upgrade from a random K95 version
: to the latest version 1.1.17 or to the full-GUI release, at least for
: registered users of Kermit 95?
: 
When the GUI version comes, we will probably have another demarcation
point in the patches.  Anybody who does not already have 1.1.17 will need
to patch up to it first, before patching to the next version.

- Frank

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From: ERA <era@usit.net>
Organization: ERA Computer Consulting
Subject: Re: C-kermit scripts to poll remote sites?
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:49:41 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Frank da Cruz wrote:
> 
> In article <380913E3.37DB2EF3@usit.net>, ERA  <era@usit.net> wrote:
> : I just looked through the script repository -
> :
> : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
> :
> : - to see if there were any scripts upon which I could build a
> : polling process. Unfortunately I saw nothing.
[text deleted]

> A fair chunk of Chapter 19 of the manual:
> 
>   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
> 
> is devoted to this topic.
> 
> - Frank

Right, page 447+ has information on Nightly Polling but it seems to
deal mainly with logging in to systems that require logins (like unix
systems) and starting kermit once logged in. I don't see anything
dealing with dialing up a DOS box from a multiuser system for
polling. I may just not be reading between the lines enough. In any
case I was hoping someone had done this and could offer pointers or
send me a file that I could build on to set this up without having to
go through a trial and error process to poll the DOS systems. We have
used BLAST for this in the past but have not been happy with their
multiplatform "support" or their prices since their push toward
Microsoft's junk and have placed our faith in your products as a
result.

We've already sent in the money via Fed-Ex which you received on the
25th (our P.O.# 19991020-GA2) -

   Delivered To : Recept/Frnt desk
   Delivery Location :  NEW YORK NY 
   Delivery Date : 10/25
   Delivery Time : 09:48 
   Signed For By :  .TOM CALTHES 
   Status Exception : Payment Received

- to buy the C-kermit and DOS-kermit in the hopes that someone would
"come through" on this. I guess since this thread seems to have died
with your comment I am on my own. I am a bit disappointed with the
lack of response. Oh well, at least you have our money.

-- 
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: C-kermit scripts to poll remote sites?
Date: 26 Oct 1999 20:16:34 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7v5272$gan$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <381605B7.81B65D40@usit.net>, ERA  <era@usit.net> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz wrote:
: > 
: > In article <380913E3.37DB2EF3@usit.net>, ERA  <era@usit.net> wrote:
: > : I just looked through the script repository -
: > :
: > : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
: > :
: > : - to see if there were any scripts upon which I could build a
: > : polling process. Unfortunately I saw nothing.
: [text deleted]
: 
: > A fair chunk of Chapter 19 of the manual:
: > 
: >   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
: > 
: > is devoted to this topic.
: > 
: > - Frank
: 
: Right, page 447+ has information on Nightly Polling but it seems to
: deal mainly with logging in to systems that require logins (like unix
: systems) and starting kermit once logged in. I don't see anything
: dealing with dialing up a DOS box from a multiuser system for
: polling.
:
Countless scenarios are imaginable but they can't all go into one book!

: I may just not be reading between the lines enough. In any
: case I was hoping someone had done this and could offer pointers or
: send me a file that I could build on to set this up without having to
: go through a trial and error process to poll the DOS systems. We have
: used BLAST for this in the past but have not been happy with their
: multiplatform "support" or their prices since their push toward
: Microsoft's junk and have placed our faith in your products as a
: result.
: 
Thanks.  The nightly polling material in "Using C-Kermit" takes on the
general situation in which you have to make the connection, log in,
start Kermit, transfer data, and log out.  If you are making connections
to DOS systems, obviously there is less to it than that: there's generally
no question of authentication since DOS is a single-user open system without
users or passwords).  Furthermore, remote access to DOS is not possible
unless you are running some kind of special application on DOS that
provides it -- so DOS is not like UNIX, in that you don't get a login
prompt and a shell when you come in thru the serial port.

: ... to buy the C-kermit and DOS-kermit in the hopes that someone would
: "come through" on this. I guess since this thread seems to have died
: with your comment I am on my own. I am a bit disappointed with the
: lack of response. Oh well, at least you have our money.
: 
We answered your previous post -- this is the first time we've heard 
from you since then.  We don't read minds!

We also don't generally write your business applications for you, since
obviously if we did this, we'd have time for nothing else -- or even for
that, given the potential demand.  Instead, we provide the software and
the documentation, and we're glad to answer specific questions about it,
especially when the documentation isn't clear, since that would be our
fault.  Ditto if the software has bugs, etc.

If you want to sketch out your needs in more detail, we'll be glad to
offer suggestions.  I can't suggest anything specific now because I
don't know what software you have on DOS to answer the phone when
C-Kermit calls it.  If you don't know that either, then you might want
to consider MS-DOS Kermit, which runs a script that puts the modem in
answer mode, waits for a call to come in, and then enters server mode.
>From that point the C-Kermit script can take over.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0 BETA and AIX 4.2
Date: 26 Oct 1999 20:54:03 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7v54db$ii6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7v4c4e$1gq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
 <Andrew.Longtin@SunGardSS.com> wrote:
: We upgraded one of our machines this past weekend from 3.2 to 4.2 and
: had to get a new release of Kermit for a transmission we run, we
: couldn't get the version we were using to work. We downloaded the C-
: Kermit 7.0 BETA version off of the Columbia University web pages, it
: compiled ok and we tested it out and are now running it to get this
: transmission but we have a small problem with it. Once the transmission
: is completed it displays a small menu with something about "Esc to
: exit" and "1 - exit to Kermit"...
:
Kermit doesn't display this.  You have some program or script that
is putting up a menu, starting and stopping Kermit, etc.

: I'm sorry but I didn't save it, well no
: matter what we try you cannot get out of this screen and back to the
: "Kermit>" prompt to type "QUIT".
: 
: With the old Kermit and AIX we would do a <cntrl>\ and then "c" which
: would kick you back to the "Kermit>" prompt where you would enter
: "quit" which would kick you back to our script.
: 
It sounds from your description like you *are* back at your script.

: Is anyone out there using these two product together that knows what
: other things I can try??
: 
: The only thing we can do is to shutdown the dtterm screen for the user
: we are on and then log back on the user to finish the script, then we
: also need to SU to root and go delete the LCK..tty15 entry out of
: /etc/locks before we can run the transmission again..
: 
: I would appreciate any help or ideas you can give me, I did send this
: basic email to the Kermit support address at Columbia too.
: 
Yes, we're still confused.  You have to be a lot more specific about
exactly what components are involved.  I think you are assuming that we
can infer facts that are not in your message.

In a subsequent message you stated that you were accessing AIX from an NT
system with communications software called Hummingbird (or is it the other
way around?).  Are these all the pieces of the puzzle, or are other
computers involved too?  The reason I ask is that I don't see how Ctrl-\c
could ever have got you back to the C-Kermit prompt in the scenario you
seem to be describing, because you haven't said anything about using
C-Kermit to make a connection from AIX to anyplace else?

- Frank

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From: ERA <era@usit.net>
Organization: ERA Computer Consulting
Subject: Re: C-kermit scripts to poll remote sites?
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 05:23:54 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Frank da Cruz wrote:
> We answered your previous post -- this is the first time we've
> heard from you since then.  We don't read minds!

Ok, ok! I have had a crappy two days dealing with poor service from
our local U.P.S. drones and I took it out on you Frank. I apologize
for being out of sorts while reading and replying to usenet. ;-)
 
> We also don't generally write your business applications for you,
> since obviously if we did this, we'd have time for nothing else --
> or even for that, given the potential demand.  Instead, we provide
> the software and the documentation, and we're glad to answer
> specific questions about it, especially when the documentation
> isn't clear, since that would be our fault.  Ditto if the software
> has bugs, etc.

Understood. I am basically looking for scripts, pointers and/or help
from the c-kermit and dos-kermit community at large. The onus is not
on you or your team to provide the solution for me. If there is a
better forum for asking for scripts or help from *other* than the
Columbia U. Kermit team please tell me where I can find it.
 
> If you want to sketch out your needs in more detail, we'll be glad
> to offer suggestions.  I can't suggest anything specific now
> because I don't know what software you have on DOS to answer the
> phone when C-Kermit calls it.  If you don't know that either, then
> you might want to consider MS-DOS Kermit, which runs a script that
> puts the modem in answer mode, waits for a call to come in, and
> then enters server mode. From that point the C-Kermit script can
> take over.

We have ordered DOS Kermit and manual for same from you with the
aforementioned order. We should be getting 2 copies of DOS Kermit
and 3 copies of C-Kermit. I will be able to puzzle it out myself but
I'm putting in 12 to 15 hour days already and hoped to get a script
or two from someone which I could just tweak for this site and the
remotes without having to add another few hours typing and debugging
to what I'm already doing. Oh well, I can handle it, really ... I
can. It's amazing the perspective change three or four beers can
give one. ;-)
 
> - Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: C-kermit scripts to poll remote sites?
Date: 27 Oct 1999 13:32:41 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7v6utp$pph$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <38168C5B.4C870077@usit.net>, ERA  <era@usit.net> wrote:
: ... I am basically looking for scripts, pointers and/or help
: from the c-kermit and dos-kermit community at large. The onus is not
: on you or your team to provide the solution for me. If there is a
: better forum for asking for scripts or help from *other* than the
: Columbia U. Kermit team please tell me where I can find it.
:  
This is the right forum.

But I admit it has turned out differently than expected when we first
set it up.  I had hoped it would be more of a free-for-all where users
and developers would help each other out, people would post solutions
to problems, share scripts, etc, all in a polite and friendly way in
which no one need feel afraid of ridicule or flames.  Nothing is
preventing it.

(Except perhaps the fear of spam?  Personally, I just ignore it.  As
one who posts to a number of newsgroups on a regular basis without
disguising my email address, I can tell you it's not that bad -- there
are a great many things in life that are bad enough to make even
unending torrents of the stupidest spam pretty innoucuous by comparison.)

Similarly for the script library -- all and sundry are heartily
invited to submit scripts for it.  We have one regular contributor,
Dat Nguyen, whose stuff is at a fairly high level.  As this exchange
points out, we also need lots practical down-to-earth examples --
"this is how I poll my franchises every night", "here is how I control
my milling machines", "here is how I submit pharmaceutical insurance
claims to the formulary", "here is how I check all my network boxes
and send pages when something's amiss", ...  Perhaps we don't see such
things because they are business secrets, which is perfectly
understandable.

Nevertheless, if you have a script you'd like to publish, send it
in!  If you have a Kermit-related story you'd like to share, this is
the place.  There is an awful lot of effort being duplicated out there
behind closed doors -- this would be a good place to pool some resources.

- Frank

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From: Andrew.Longtin@SunGardSS.com
Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0 BETA and AIX 4.2 (problems solved)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:12:02 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

We found out that the CNTRL-\ worked but the "c" was not a valid
option. If you do CNTRL-\? then you get a help menu of the valid
commands and "q" for quit was on the list, so now when we do "cntrl-\q"
it exits Kermit which then drops us back to the script that called
Kermit to begin with. The other problem we had was with locks on the
tty15 device, the tty15 device was set to SHARE instead of DISABLE
which is what it should be..



Andrew B. Longtin
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SunGard Securities Systems
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0 BETA and AIX 4.2 (problems solved)
Date: 27 Oct 1999 14:29:06 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7v717f$usr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
 <Andrew.Longtin@SunGardSS.com> wrote:
: We found out that the CNTRL-\ worked but the "c" was not a valid
: option. If you do CNTRL-\? then you get a help menu of the valid
: commands and "q" for quit was on the list, so now when we do "cntrl-\q"
: it exits Kermit which then drops us back to the script that called
: Kermit to begin with.
:
OK...  But "c" is, of course, a valid option.  Here is the help message
when you press "?" after Ctrl-\.  Note the first line:

  Press C to return to (originating-host), or:
    ? for this message
    0 (zero) to send a null
    B to send a BREAK
    L to send a Long BREAK
    I to send a network interrupt packet
    A to send Are You There?
    U to hangup and close the connection
    Q to hangup and quit Kermit
    S for status
    ! to push to local shell
    Z to suspend
    \ backslash code:
      \nnn  decimal character code
      \Onnn octal character code
      \Xhh  hexadecimal character code
      terminate with carriage return.
   Type the escape character again to send the escape character, or
   press the space-bar to resume the CONNECT command.
  Command>

Perhaps the first line should be reformatted so the "C" lines up with
the other options.  In any case, I can assure you that "c" (or "C") is
a valid option.  As noted in the manual, It returns to the C-Kermit> 
prompt if Kermit if the connection was made from command level, or exits
if the connection was made from the UNIX command line (and no other
contravening command-line options, such as -S or -n, were given).

- Frank

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:45:34 GMT
Organization: WinStar GoodNet, Inc.
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I have a process that i need to replicate on 34 stores. I know i can use the
output command and then wait for the input.
One of my commands that i execute on the mainframe, will take from 4-5
minutes to process before coming back with
a prompt. I have given the input command a wait of 600. This is to wait for
10 minutes, worse case.. I have tried this
in my script and the thing waits 20 seconds and then goes to the next item
in the list. Since the next thing needs the
prior command to execute, the whole process dies...

The 20 second timeout is not a setting we have anywhere i can see. We are
running version 7, beta 10.
Any clues ????

The process i am executing is an unzip commanf that unpacks a very large
file  (2000 blocks), 1.5 meg of
data.

thanks in advance
hamelin@ici.net  (Mail address)




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From: Andrew.Longtin@SunGardSS.com
Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0 BETA and AIX 4.2 (problems solved)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:20:52 GMT
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Here are the mesages on the screen when we are trying to get back to
the Kermit prompt..
______________________________________________________________
      Percent Done: 100
//////////////////////////////////////////////////

...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100
      Elapsed Time: 00:01:48
Transfer Rate, CPS: 1363
      Window Slots: 1 of 3
       Packet Type: 8
      Packet Count: 110
       Error Count: 0
        Last Error:
      Last Message: SUCCESS. Files: 1, Bytes: 146014, 1363 CPS



      Esc to Exit
      AVAILABLE PROTOCOLS

      1 = kermit
      2 = xmodem
      3 = xon/xoff

      Which protocol ? [1]
________________________________________________________________________
______

We tried <ESC> and got nothing, we tried "1" and hit enter, nothing, we
tried cntrl-\c and got nothing.. It seems like the terminal will not
take any input. The person I was working with this on found the cntrl-
\? some how and noticed the "q" option so we have been using that and
it seems to work..



Andrew B. Longtin
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Input timings
Date: 27 Oct 1999 18:04:54 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <2TGR3.154$Pf.26871@news.goodnet.com>,
Michael Hamelin <hamelin@ici.net> wrote:
: I have a process that i need to replicate on 34 stores. I know i can use
: the output command and then wait for the input.  One of my commands that i
: execute on the mainframe, will take from 4-5 minutes to process before
: coming back with a prompt. I have given the input command a wait of
: 600. This is to wait for 10 minutes, worse case.. I have tried this in my
: script and the thing waits 20 seconds and then goes to the next item in
: the list. Since the next thing needs the prior command to execute, the
: whole process dies...
: 
: The 20 second timeout is not a setting we have anywhere i can see. We are
: running version 7, beta 10.
: Any clues ????
: 
Tell us what platform you are running C-Kermit on (OS and version) and what
kind of connection you have.  While you're at it, also describe the
mainframe.  Maybe also include a copy of your script, or the relevant
passage of it.

: The process i am executing is an unzip commanf that unpacks a very large
: file  (2000 blocks), 1.5 meg of data.
: 
See:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html

for hints on preparing a trouble report or tech-support request.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0 BETA and AIX 4.2 (problems solved)
Date: 27 Oct 1999 17:59:34 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7v7c9f$7vh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
 <Andrew.Longtin@SunGardSS.com> wrote:
: Here are the mesages on the screen when we are trying to get back to
: the Kermit prompt..
: ______________________________________________________________
:       Percent Done: 100
: //////////////////////////////////////////////////
: 
: ...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100
:       Elapsed Time: 00:01:48
: Transfer Rate, CPS: 1363
:       Window Slots: 1 of 3
:        Packet Type: 8
:       Packet Count: 110
:        Error Count: 0
:         Last Error:
:       Last Message: SUCCESS. Files: 1, Bytes: 146014, 1363 CPS
: 
:       Esc to Exit
:       AVAILABLE PROTOCOLS
: 
:       1 = kermit
:       2 = xmodem
:       3 = xon/xoff
: 
:       Which protocol ? [1]
: ________________________________________________________________________
:
: We tried <ESC> and got nothing, we tried "1" and hit enter, nothing, we
: tried cntrl-\c and got nothing.. It seems like the terminal will not
: take any input. The person I was working with this on found the cntrl-\?...
:
It doesn't have to be found -- it's documented in the manual and you get
message telling you about it every time you enter CONNECT mode.

: ... some how and noticed the "q" option so we have been using that and
: it seems to work..
: 
Let's be very clear about this.  You have a PC with NT running Hummingbird
as your terminal emulator.  With this you are connected to AIX, where you
are running C-Kermit to connect to yet a third computer:

  PC WinNT    ______   RS/6000  _____  Some other
  Hummingbird          C-Kermit        computer

Now when you see the following:

:       Esc to Exit
:       AVAILABLE PROTOCOLS
: 
:       1 = kermit
:       2 = xmodem
:       3 = xon/xoff
: 
:       Which protocol ? [1]

You are looking *through* two computers to a third.  Every character you
type is handled first by Hummingbird, which should send it to AIX.  Then
C-Kermit gets it, and if it is NOT the escape character (Ctrl-\) it sends
it to the third computer, the one whose menu you are looking at.

If you type Ctrl-\, Esc, 1, or any other character, Hummingbird should send 
it and C-Kermit should get it.  But I've never even seen Hummingbird so 
you'll need to verify this.  For all I know, Hummingbird traps Esc and goes
into some bizarre mode after you type it.

If you type Ctrl-\ and C-Kermit gets it, and C-Kermit is still in CONNECT
mode, which it appears to be from the "screen shot" you've enclosed above
unless you've omitted something between the file-transfer display and the
menu, , this is C-Kermit's CONNECT-mode escape character.  C-Kermit will now
wait for you to type the "escape-character argument", a second character,
which may be C, Q, U, ?, B, L, etc.  I can think of no reason on earth why
Kermit handle Q but not C, other than that you have some other link in the
chain you haven't told us about.

Again, all of these procedures are described in detail in Chapter 8 of the
manual.  Also, I'd recommend you visit our Support page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html

that explains the kind of information we need to give effective help.

By the way, please either post to the newsgroup or send email to
kermit-support@columbia.edu, but not both.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Automating FTP?
Date: 27 Oct 1999 18:38:31 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7v3gdd$63h$2@news.smart.net>,
Richard L. Hamilton <rlhamil@smart.net> wrote:
: In article <3813e65d.0@news.access.net.au>,
: 	jc@access.net.au (James Carter) writes:
: > Nick (nick_j@mailcity.com) wrote:
: >: I'm trying to write a script, that will automagically FTP a file to
: >: another server, I've tried doing it this way, but its just not
: >: happening:
: > 
: >: #!/bin/sh
: >: ftp 10.1.1.8 <<EOF
: >: anonymous
: >: asdf@asdf.com
: >: ascii
: >: send test.txt
: >: exit
: >: EOF
: > 
: >: Has anyone got any ideas for this? Thanks,
: >
: > try this:
: > 
: > #!/bin/ksh
: > FTPHOST="my.ftp.host.name"
: > FTPUSER="anonymous"
: > FTPPASSWD="jc@foo.bar"
: > ftp -inv ${FTPHOST} << EOT
: > user ${FTPUSER} ${FTPPASSWD}
: > ascii
: > put test.txt
: > quit
: > EOT
: > # --- END ---
:
: Problem with this is that the return code won't tell
: anything about the success of the transfer(s).
: 
Your typical FTP client was never designed for automation.

Here's an alternative -- don't laugh until you've finished
reading: Kermit.

C-Kermit 7.0, in late Beta, is about as fast as FTP on Internet
connections, and is fully programmable down to the tiniest
detail.  It allows the transfer of each file to be tested for
success or failure, it has an update feature (only transfer those
files that changed since last time), a recovery feature, flexible
file selection features (regular expressions, exception lists,
dates, sizes, etc), and special actions at the end of each file;
for example: move it, rename it (solving the old riddle "how
do I know when ftpd is finished receiving a file?").

Furthermore, the new version allows any mixture of text and
binary files to be transferred in the same operation, and it
allows recursive descent through the source directory, creating a
mirror image at the destination, EVEN IF THEY ARE DIFFERENT
PLATFORMS (such as UNIX and VMS), with on-the-fly character-set
translation (now including Unicode) for text files.

C-Kermit 7.0 can be configured as an Internet Kermit Service,
similar to FTPD -- really, more like a cross between ftpd and
telnetd.  It allows both anonymous and real logins, and supports
a wide variety of authentication types.

For more info see:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

and to see the Internet Kermit Service in action, start at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html

For samples of C-Kermit's scripting language, see:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html

If you haven't looked at C-Kermit recently you might be
surprised.

- Frank

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From: ERA <era@usit.net>
Organization: ERA Computer Consulting
Subject: Re: C-kermit scripts to poll remote sites?
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:21:29 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Frank da Cruz wrote:
> 
> In article <38168C5B.4C870077@usit.net>, ERA  <era@usit.net> wrote:
> : ... I am basically looking for scripts, pointers and/or help
> : from the c-kermit and dos-kermit community at large. The onus is
> : not on you or your team to provide the solution for me. If there
> : is a better forum for asking for scripts or help from *other*
> : than the Columbia U. Kermit team please tell me where I can find
> : it.

> This is the right forum.
> 
> But I admit it has turned out differently than expected when we
> first set it up.  I had hoped it would be more of a free-for-all
> where users and developers would help each other out, people would
> post solutions to problems, share scripts, etc, all in a polite and
> friendly way in which no one need feel afraid of ridicule or
> flames.  Nothing is preventing it.

This is what I'm looking for here!

> Nevertheless, if you have a script you'd like to publish, send it
> in!  If you have a Kermit-related story you'd like to share, this
> is the place.  There is an awful lot of effort being duplicated out
> there behind closed doors -- this would be a good place to pool
> some resources.
> 
> - Frank

All right. If there are no others than Dat Nguyen that will put up
scripts then once I get the polling working I'll post the script
here even if it's "ugly". If there is somewhere else I should send
it to get it on the scripts page let me know. I'll be more than happy
to share my work with the kermit community.
-- 
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From: Clarence Dold <dold@yellow.rahul.net>
Subject: Re: Input timings
Date: 27 Oct 1999 19:41:08 GMT
Organization: a2i network
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Michael Hamelin <hamelin@ici.net> wrote:

: a prompt. I have given the input command a wait of 600. This is to wait for
: 10 minutes, worse case.. I have tried this
: in my script and the thing waits 20 seconds and then goes to the next item

Let's get simpler.
I built a script "wait":
	run date
	input 600 f
	run date
Kermit
	take wait
I can type lots of characters...  If I avoid hitting an "f", I get two
time stamps, 10 minutes apart.

I haven't connected to anything.  If this works, then you might want to
connect to the other system, and run the take script again.  If it times
out while attached to some other system, then you need to do a log session,
to see what characters are causing your input to trip.

I had a system that was displaying the time, updated every few seconds,
which messed up my session logs for my purposes.  Perhaps something like
that is triggering the wait-for-prompt in your case.

-- 
---
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                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@yellow.rahul.net>
Subject: Re: Input timings
Date: 27 Oct 1999 23:52:21 GMT
Organization: a2i network
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Michael Hamelin <hamelin@ici.net> wrote:
: In my case, we are using a VMS AXP running ckermit7.0 beta 10
: connecting to another VMS machine. We log in, and then send DCL
: commands. One of the DCL commands is to have the VAX decompress
: (UNZIP) a file. If you do this on the machine manually..it runs
: for 2-4 minutes and then gives you back a prompt.  It does send a
: few lines of output back to the screen, but no $ that i know of or

Hey!
Do you have 
	input 600 $
in your script?
You can't do that ;-)
You need to look for another character for the input character.
This "input" is responding to the first character that comes in.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Input timings
Date: 28 Oct 1999 14:19:44 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7v837l$5vv$1@samba.rahul.net>,
Clarence Dold  <dold@network.rahul.net> wrote:
: Michael Hamelin <hamelin@ici.net> wrote:
: : In my case, we are using a VMS AXP running ckermit7.0 beta 10
: : connecting to another VMS machine. We log in, and then send DCL
: : commands. One of the DCL commands is to have the VAX decompress
: : (UNZIP) a file. If you do this on the machine manually..it runs
: : for 2-4 minutes and then gives you back a prompt.  It does send a
: : few lines of output back to the screen, but no $ that i know of or
: 
: Hey!
: Do you have 
: 	input 600 $
: in your script?
: You can't do that ;-)
: You need to look for another character for the input character.
: This "input" is responding to the first character that comes in.
: 
"input 600 $" is correct -- dollar-sign is a normal character to
Kermit.  The form of the INPUT command that waits for ANY character
is "input 600" (no character or string specified).  However, since
the "$" is so prevalent in VMS messages, perhaps (as suggested in the
manual) a better way to wait for the prompt would be:

  input 600 {13\10\$ }

"input 600 $" will, of course, succeed as soon as a dollar-sign comes
in, which could happen if there were any VMS prompts that hadn't
been read yet, or any of the messages from UNZIP contained dollar signs,
which we tend to find in VMS filespecs.

This thread has several independent lives; one here, others in direct
email, so nobody gets to see it all.  (So please when starting one of
these threads, post to the newsgroup or send email to the
kermit-support address, but not both, thanks.)

Anyway, this is a classic example of asking the wrong question.  The
real question is: "How do I use Kermit to send a file from A to B,
unzip it on B (which could take any amount of time at all), and then
go on to the next item in the list as soon as unzipping is finished?"
The answer would have been more like this:

 1. Make the connection from A to B (in this case both of them are
    VMS systems).

 2. Start Kermit on B and put it in server mode.

 3. Send it the ZIP file (Note: since both systems are VMS, so the two
    Kermits will go into "labeled" transfer mode automatically, thus
    making an image copy of the file with all RMS attributes preserved).

(Note: I am assuming that the file needed to be sent from A to B, and was
not on B already; this was unclear from the postings.  If this was not the
case then just skip step 3.)

 4. Give the command "remote host unzip <name-of-zip-file>".  Now here we
    have an innovation in C-Kermit 7.0 that you probably won't even notice
    unless you tried this in earlier versions.  The Unzip process takes a
    long time (you don't have to know how long, as you do with the INPUT
    method).  In previous versions, the Kermit client would time out when
    no response came from the server within a few seconds, and eventually
    would give up after too many timeouts.  The new version, however,
    sends "keepalives" while a REMOTE HOST command is executing to ensure
    the client doesn't lose patience, no matter how long the host command
    takes.

 5. Go on to the next item.  I believe you wanted to rename the original
    ZIP file?  So "remote rename <name-of-zip-file> <new-name>".

In other words, do the whole job in client/server mode.  As you can see,
there are advantages to doing it this way:

 1. No more synchronization problems.

 2. You can check each operation for success and failure in a 
    straightforward manner.

The script (after logging in) would look something like this:

  output kermit -x\13        ; (or "lineout kermit -x" in 7.0)
  input 20 READY TO SERVE... ; wait for confirmation
  if fail <do-something-appropriate>
  send somefile.zip
  if fail <do-something-appropriate>
  remote host unzip somefile.zip
  if fail <do-something-appropriate>
  remote rename somefile.zip something_else.zip
  if fail <do-something-appropriate>
  etc etc

As to why "input 600 $" appears to terminate early, we still don't know,
but we can't reproduce it either -- it works fine on our local VMS system.

"input 600 $" should not terminate early (and does not, in our experience)
unless (a) it gets a dollar-sign, or (b) the connection is lost.  This was
checked on a VMS-to-VMS connection with C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.10, same as you
have:

  DKA0:[FDC] C-Kermit>def xx echo, echo \v(time), input 600 $, status, -
   echo \v(time), show var in
  DKA0:[FDC] C-Kermit>xx
   0:36:57
    FAILURE
   \v(inchar) =
   \v(incount) = 1
   \v(inmatch) =
   \v(instatus) = 1
   \v(intime) = 600778
   \v(inwait) = 600
  DKA0:[FDC] C-Kermit>

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Linux as terminal for a "Data General" MV/7800 (AOS/VS)
Date: 29 Oct 1999 13:46:30 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <38195973.21BC7B9F@ifd-allensbach.de>,
Klaus Konzept  <kkonzept@ifd-allensbach.de> wrote:
: I want to use a Linux box as a terminal for an old "Data General"
: MV/7800, running AOS/VS. Unfortunately DG has it´s own propritary
: terminal modes. I think I would need a software emulating a DG410 (or
: similar) terminal.
: 
: I can connect from Linux to the DG by telnet, but the control sequences
: produce garbage on my Linux screen. 
: 
: Does anyone know where to get such a terminal emulation, or is there
: another possibility to manage this ?
: 
See:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckfaq.html

for why you don't find very many terminal emulators for Linux and other
UNIX varieties.  Usually the best you can do are the VT100 or VT220 of
stock xterm or Xfree86 xterm.  Of course all sorts of DG emulation products
are available for DOS, Windows, etc, such as:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html      <-- Kermit 95 for Win9x/NT
  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html <-- MS-DOS Kermit for DOS

In this case, you can use native DG DASHER terminal types such as D210,
D215, D217, D463, D470.

>From Linux, you can use C-Kermit in an xterm window as your Telnet client:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

When you log on to AOS/VS, give it this command:

  char/on/nas/xlt

This tells the DG you have a VT100.  Of course you could use regular Linux
telnet too; the advantage of C-Kermit is the scripting, charset translation
for your Umlaute (the DG has its own unique character set), etc, plus
convenient file transfer over the Telnet connection with the AOS/VS version
of C-Kermit.

For serial connections from Linux, all the same advice applies, since Kermit
handles both kinds of connections.

- Frank

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Subject: Q: can kermit interface with other programs ?
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 01:55:52 GMT
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Hello everybody

Can kermit read the exit codes of programs it kicks off ?
I am doing a download with kermit, and I want a perl program to do some
post processing on that. The perl program is kicked of from kermit, and
currently kermit gets the status of the perl program by flag files.
Interfacing with exit codes would be more elegant.


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From: "John Chewter" <john@chewter.f9.net.uk>
Subject: Kermit 3.14 beta not working with 486sx cpus
Organization: Crimond Consulting
Message-ID: <qlDS3.22212$5P2.33844@wards>
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 15:33:42 +0100
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I am getting errors with scripts that work fine with 314 on 486sx machines
These are like:-

?? enter a number between 0 and 255 ??

Presumably because of no floating point processor. I cant find a switch to
emulate fpu

Does this mean 316 does no longer support 486sx 386 etc?

Have I got the wrong version?



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Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 beta not working with 486sx cpus
Date: 30 Oct 1999 19:36:49 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <qlDS3.22212$5P2.33844@wards>,
John Chewter <john@chewter.f9.net.uk> wrote:
: I am getting errors with scripts that work fine with 314 on 486sx machines
: These are like:-
: 
: ?? enter a number between 0 and 255 ??
: 
: Presumably because of no floating point processor. I cant find a switch to
: emulate fpu
: 
: Does this mean 316 does no longer support 486sx 386 etc?
: 
No, it doesn't mean that.

: Have I got the wrong version?
: 
If you have Windows 9x or NT, you should be using Kermit 95:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

MS-DOS Kermit does not contain any floating-point instructions.  If you are
using DOS and you are getting strange errors, please send a report that
tells us what kind of PC you have, the operating system and version, and
which commands seem to be acting differently.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Q: can kermit interface with other programs ?
Date: 30 Oct 1999 19:33:34 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7vdj78$nu6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  <tilmanglotzner@my-deja.com> wrote:
: Can kermit read the exit codes of programs it kicks off ?
:
It depends on which Kermit program and version, on which operating system.

: I am doing a download with kermit, and I want a perl program to do some
: post processing on that. The perl program is kicked of from kermit, and
: currently kermit gets the status of the perl program by flag files.
: Interfacing with exit codes would be more elegant.
: 
If this is some form of UNIX, then C-Kermit 7.0 can do this:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

Example: Here is a file 'foo' that contains three lines:

  $ cat foo
  abc
  mno
  xyz
  $

Running grep from Kermit for a line that is in the file succeeds:

  $ kermit
  C-Kermit>define xx !grep \%1 foo, status, show var pexitstat
  C-Kermit>xx abc
  abc
   SUCCESS
   \v(pexitstat) = 0
  C-Kermit>

And doing the same for a line that isn't there fails:

  C-Kermit>xx blah
   FAILURE
   \v(pexitstat) = 1
  C-Kermit>

Thus IF SUCCESS or IF FAILURE can be used to test the success or failure
reported by the external command, and the variable \v(pexitstat) contains
its actual exit status code.

This didn't work very well in earlier C-Kermit releases.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 beta not working with 486sx cpus
Message-ID: <7w0ZfiWp0tO0@cc.usu.edu>
Date: 30 Oct 99 16:29:29 MDT
Organization: Utah State University
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <qlDS3.22212$5P2.33844@wards>, "John Chewter" <john@chewter.f9.net.uk> writes:
> I am getting errors with scripts that work fine with 314 on 486sx machines
> These are like:-
> 
> ?? enter a number between 0 and 255 ??
> 
> Presumably because of no floating point processor. I cant find a switch to
> emulate fpu
> 
> Does this mean 316 does no longer support 486sx 386 etc?
> 
> Have I got the wrong version?
--------
	We don't have the context of your difficulties, so answers will be
vague.
	MSK does not use floating point, never did, does not need to. It
will run on an 8088 cpu just as well but slower as on the fastest silicon
of today. Command syntax does undergo changes through time and that is
likely the source of the error message above. We would need to know what's
going on to address that.
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Transferring files from SCO Unix to QNX?
Date: 2 Nov 1999 14:21:32 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <Voyager.991101220548.2506B@qsolv>,
Ken Schumm  <kwschumm@qsolv.com> wrote:
: I don't think it's free, at least not the Columbia version. They
: do sell a QNX version that is fairly inexpensive though.
: 
: Previously, Igor Kovalenko wrote in comp.os.qnx:
: > I believe kermit for Unix/QNX is free and not beta. And works very well.
: >
: > > Previously, Tony L. Keith wrote in comp.os.qnx:
: > > > "David L. Hawley" wrote:
: > > > Has anyone transferred files from a SCO Unix box to a QNX 4.2X machine
: > > > using a dial-up connection?  I'm able to dial up, connect and login to
: > > > the SCO Unix machine, but unable to transfer files using most of the
: > > > known protocols (kermit, xmodem, zmodem..) Any ideas or suggestions?
: > > ...
: > > 
: > > There is a commercial version of kermit for qnx - and maybe even a beta
: > > to download.
:
Rather than speculate about whether Kermit is free, just visit the Kermit
Project website:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/              <-- Top
  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/kermit.html   <-- What Is Kermit?

In particular, look at the C-Kermit FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckfaq.html

Which contains a section "How Is C-Kermit Licensed?"

Here is where to find C-Kermit 7.0 (for QNX and SCO and other platforms):

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

As you will see you can download it and use it all you want.  The only sense
in which it isn't "free" is you can't make a product out of it or incorporate
it into a product, etc, without a license.

I hope this is all clear from the website, where anybody can go to find out
about Kermit software.

By the way, we go to some lengths to ensure that C-Kermit, in each release,
is available for QNX in both 32-bit and 16-bit versions.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Transfering files from/to mainframe/UNIX
Date: 2 Nov 1999 16:26:55 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7vn0it$2bh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, <shafiq.c@usa.net> wrote:
: Does anybody know who to transfer files between different platforms
: (UNIX/PC ASCII,IBM Mainframe-EBCDIC) without losing French
: and special characters?
: 
Yes: Kermit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

One of Kermit's unique features is the ability to transfer text files
between unlike platforms and convert their record formats and character sets
as part of the transfer process.

You'll need IBM Mainframe Kermit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k370.html

It is available for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS, etc.

For UNIX (Linux, SCO, Solaris, etc), C-Kermit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

For the PC with Win9x/NT/2000 or OS/2, Kermit 95:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

For the PC with DOS or Win3.x, MS-DOS Kermit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html

Example: to transfer a French-language text file from a PC, where it is
encoded in PC Code Page 850, to the IBM Mainframe, where it is encoded in
Country Extended Code Page 500, you would:

1. Tell Kermit on the PC to:

  set file type text
  set file character-set cp850
  set transfer character-set latin1

2. And tell Kermit on the mainframe to:

  set file character-set cp500

And then transfer the file.

- Frank


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From: Christopher Mosley <cmosley@voicenet.com>
Subject: Colors with vt220
Message-ID: <rX1U3.61$L4.4815@news3.voicenet.com>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 21:38:31 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I don't think vt100, vt220 are officially, explicitly color
terminals but there is color support in mskermit. Some unix text programs
that use color, not all but a few, do not work very well with vt220 emulation
(set term type vt220) but _do_ work with "set term type ansibbs" in mskermit.
I believe these same programs work well in various xterms in xwindows on
linux, I would have to check to be absolutely sure. I used scripts to
work around this in mskermit, using apc to change term type then running
program, then using apc to return to a vt terminal. Wondering generally
why this is?
                                                       Thanks
                                                  Christopher Mosley


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: Colors with vt220
Date: 3 Nov 1999 21:56:37 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <rX1U3.61$L4.4815@news3.voicenet.com>,
Christopher Mosley  <cmosley@voicenet.com> wrote:
: I don't think vt100, vt220 are officially, explicitly color
: terminals but there is color support in mskermit. Some unix text programs
: that use color, not all but a few, do not work very well with vt220 emulation
: (set term type vt220) but _do_ work with "set term type ansibbs" in mskermit.
: I believe these same programs work well in various xterms in xwindows on
: linux, I would have to check to be absolutely sure. I used scripts to
: work around this in mskermit, using apc to change term type then running
: program, then using apc to return to a vt terminal. Wondering generally
: why this is?

The VT220 does not have any support for color escape sequences.

The so called ANSI-BBS terminals implement a subset of the color 
sequences defined in the standard document ANSI X3.64.  These same 
sequences are implemented in many Unix console drivers: SCO ANSI, 
AT386, Linux, ...

But the fact that a terminal does or does not support the color 
sequences has little to do with whether or not two given terminal
types are compatible.  The VT terminals use a different line wrap 
rules than most of the Unix consoles excluding Linux.  The SCO ANSI 
and AT386 terminal drivers both support colors but have different 
rules for what happens when an attribute reset command is received.
One resets the colors as if they are attributes (bold, underline, blink,
...) and the other doesn't.

The reality is that each and every terminal and console driver is 
different and you need to use a emulator that understands each of
the different variations.  That is why Kermit 95 has so many terminal
definitions.


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org


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From: "Ray Slakinski" <thrawn@hub.org>
Subject: C-Kermit for BSD issues
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:45:19 -0500
Organization: Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Message-ID: <7vsd7v$1c82$1@hub.org>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hello all,

I have a quick issue, I installed kermit on my FreeBSD 3.0 box the other
day, and telneted to it using Procomm Plus to test it.  After I connected I
started up kermit, and told it to send me a file called test.txt that I had
created moments before.  The file transfer started, and procomm detected the
filename, but no file contents were transfered over and the whole thing
eventualy times out.

I thought this could be a Procomm plus issue until I tried with neterm and
got the same results (gets just past "Recieved an 'A' packet" then times out
just like procomm.

Is this something with my setup, or something else?

Ray
FYI: is there public sites that allow kermit xfers on the net that I can
test if its the client or server application?



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: C-Kermit for BSD issues
Date: 4 Nov 1999 16:59:04 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <7vse0o$622$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7vsd7v$1c82$1@hub.org>, Ray Slakinski <thrawn@hub.org> wrote:
: I have a quick issue, I installed kermit...
:
Which version of Kermit?  Where did you get it?  How did you install it?
Did you build from source code or did you install a prebuilt binary?
Which one?  For hints on preparing a Kermit tech support query, see:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support

: ... on my FreeBSD 3.0 box the other
: day, and telneted to it using Procomm Plus to test it.  After I connected I
: started up kermit, and told it to send me a file called test.txt that I had
: created moments before.  The file transfer started, and procomm detected the
: filename, but no file contents were transfered over and the whole thing
: eventualy times out.
: 
: I thought this could be a Procomm plus issue until I tried with neterm and
: got the same results (gets just past "Recieved an 'A' packet" then times out
: just like procomm.
: 
Unfortunately, the chance that two programs like Procomm and Netterm might not
handle Kermit transfers right are not that low, so this doesn't necessarily
prove anything...

: Is this something with my setup, or something else?
: 
We can help if you give us enough info.

: FYI: is there public sites that allow kermit xfers on the net that I can
: test if its the client or server application?
: 
Yes:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html

- Frank

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From: "Ray Slakinski" <thrawn@hub.org>
Subject: Re: C-Kermit for BSD issues
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:13:35 -0500
Organization: Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Message-ID: <7vslub$2h87$1@hub.org>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hi Frank,

> Which version of Kermit?  Where did you get it?  How did you install it?
> Did you build from source code or did you install a prebuilt binary?
> Which one?  For hints on preparing a Kermit tech support query, see:

wow, lots questions :)  ok, its "C-Kermit 6.0.192,6 Sep 96, For FreeBSD"  I
installed it by grabing the source, compiling it, then doing a "make
install"


> Unfortunately, the chance that two programs like Procomm and Netterm might
not
> handle Kermit transfers right are not that low, so this doesn't
necessarily
> prove anything...

shouldn't Procomm in this case support kermit fully? or is it just bad
coding on there parts?

> We can help if you give us enough info.

Thank you, any other info I am glad to devulge as much info as needed to
cure this issue.  I am sure its something I have missed myself.


> : FYI: is there public sites that allow kermit xfers on the net that I can
> : test if its the client or server application?
> Yes:
>   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html


Thank you, I tested Procomm with kermit.columbia.edu and it seems to work
fine, so it would appear to be something on my side.

RayS



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: C-Kermit for BSD issues
Date: 4 Nov 1999 19:34:35 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7vslub$2h87$1@hub.org>, Ray Slakinski <thrawn@hub.org> wrote:
: > Which version of Kermit?  Where did you get it?  How did you install it?
: > Did you build from source code or did you install a prebuilt binary?
: > Which one?  For hints on preparing a Kermit tech support query, see:
: 
: wow, lots questions :)  ok, its "C-Kermit 6.0.192,6 Sep 96, For FreeBSD"  
: I installed it by grabing the source, compiling it, then doing a "make
: install"
: 
I'd recommend you try 7.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

(In fact, you already did when you tried IKSD...)

: > Unfortunately, the chance that two programs like Procomm and Netterm 
: > might not handle Kermit transfers right are not that low, so this doesn't
: > necessarily prove anything...
: 
: shouldn't Procomm in this case support kermit fully? or is it just bad
: coding on there parts?
: 
We have no knowledge of third-party Kermit implementations, let alone any
control over them.  You can publish a protocol specification but that doesn't
guarantee correct implementations.

We have our own PC communications software that we support and stand behind:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html       <-- Win9x/NT/2000 and OS/2
  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html  <-- Win3x/DOS

: > We can help if you give us enough info.
: 
: Thank you, any other info I am glad to devulge as much info as needed to
: cure this issue.  I am sure its something I have missed myself.
: 
Please try 7.0.  If you still have trouble, send a report, including a
packet log ("log packets" before transfer, makes a file called packet.log),
by email to kermit-support@columbia.edu.

: > : FYI: is there public sites that allow kermit xfers on the net that 
: > : I can test if its the client or server application?
: > Yes:
: >   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html
: 
: Thank you, I tested Procomm with kermit.columbia.edu and it seems to work
: fine, so it would appear to be something on my side.
: 
The C-Kermit manual contains a whole chapter on troubleshooting file-transfer
failures, and other chapters on setup, configuration, data communications
overview, etc etc.  You didn't say what kind of connection you had.  For
example if it's a serial connection the first thing to look at is flow
control.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: C-Kermit for BSD issues
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:37:06 -0500
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> I'd recommend you try 7.0:

I just installed 7, and it seems to work like a charm.  Thanks for all the
info and help!

RayS




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From: Juho Joensuu <juho.joensuu@softsys.fi>
Subject: rlogin / telnet problems with Kermit 95
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:16:45 +0200
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hi,

I'm using (or actually helping another company) Kermit 95 in terminal
connections to QNX. The rlogin and telnet connections function a little
bit differently when handling the escape sequences and so far I have
found rlogin better. Now however I have a problem getting the connection
at all. It may happen that the first trial stays in login forever, i.e.
on QNX side I can see that the login has been started but never ends.
Every time I give login and password I get back to the login sequence.
When I thereafter start another terminal the connection can success.
Also it sometimes looks like I have a false terminal output on my
screeen, i.e. like I write to pseudotty 2 and see the output of
pseudotty 1 e.g.!

How to proceed to find out the reason and fix the problem?

Juho Joensuu
Softsys Oy


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Subject: Re: rlogin / telnet problems with Kermit 95
Date: 4 Nov 1999 21:24:06 GMT
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In article <382132DC.3165FD33@softsys.fi>,
Juho Joensuu  <juho.joensuu@softsys.fi> wrote:
: Hi,
: 
: I'm using (or actually helping another company) Kermit 95 in terminal
: connections to QNX. The rlogin and telnet connections function a little
: bit differently when handling the escape sequences and so far I have
: found rlogin better. 

They better not respond differently.  The emulation uses exactly the
same code for both.  However, telnet supports terminal type negotiation
and rlogin does not.  You might want to check what terminal type is 
being used on the telnet connection to ensure that it is indeed the
one you think it is using.

: Now however I have a problem getting the connection
: at all. It may happen that the first trial stays in login forever, i.e.
: on QNX side I can see that the login has been started but never ends.
: Every time I give login and password I get back to the login sequence.
: When I thereafter start another terminal the connection can success.
: Also it sometimes looks like I have a false terminal output on my
: screeen, i.e. like I write to pseudotty 2 and see the output of
: pseudotty 1 e.g.!
: 
: How to proceed to find out the reason and fix the problem?

I don't have a clue.  Are you performing this operation from the 
K95 terminal window or through a script?




    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: Mike <staff@ot.com>
Subject: Paging Script for Ckermit-6.0192
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 16:04:41 -0500
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Hello,
    Does anyone have a unix script for alphanumeric paging ?  I am in
the process of setting up Big Brother, but before that I need to have
Kermit successfully paging.  I can get it to dial out but when it gets
to the id request, it always times out, and I get the failed message.
    I have also check around on some sites but havent seen anthing to
point out what the problem might be.  If anyone has any suggestions, it
would be appreciated.


Thanks,
Mike


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Paging Script for Ckermit-6.0192
Date: 5 Nov 1999 21:31:26 GMT
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In article <38234654.F462803F@ot.com>, Mike  <founder@ot.com> wrote:
:     Does anyone have a unix script for alphanumeric paging ?  I am in
: the process of setting up Big Brother, but before that I need to have
: Kermit successfully paging.  I can get it to dial out but when it gets
: to the id request, it always times out, and I get the failed message.
:     I have also check around on some sites but havent seen anthing to
: point out what the problem might be.  If anyone has any suggestions, it
: would be appreciated.
: 
The best place to look is the Kermit site:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

Here you could search for "pager" or "alphanumeric page" and find what
you're looking for.  In particular:

ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/scripts/ckermit/alphapage
  The alphanumeric pager script for C-Kermit 7.0

ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/scripts/ckermit/alphapage6
  The alphanumeric pager script for C-Kermit 6.0

C-Kermit 7.0, now in late Beta, is recommended:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

Also be sure to read:

http://www.cc.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html
  "Kermit Software and Pagers"

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: UPS control on VMS, Kermit?
Date: 5 Nov 1999 21:44:18 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7vvddp$hum@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,
 <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote:
: Tripplite used to ship a program called PowerMon II with its Omnismart
: UPS, but no longer does and no longer supports that software.  There was 
: a CDROM that came from Compaq with our DS10, but it claims to support only
: Exide UPS systems.  That said, near as I can tell, it is a variant of
: Powermon II.
: 
: Anybody know of either a *supported* piece of UPS software or an 
: implementation that already runs on OpenVMS?
: 
: I took a quick look at some of the Linux stuff to see what would be
: involved in porting it.  As you might expect, both genpowerd and upsd are
: based on ioctl() (blech!)  Unfortunately ioctl() is not something that we
: can use on VMS to look at a serial line.  In fact, it's none too
: portable on Unix either.
: 
: The bottom line on all of these programs is that they talk to a modem like
: device on one of the serial ports.  Kermit will do that, I think, and
: Kermit has scripts.  That raises the possibility that maybe it would be
: possible to write a more portable implementation of a UPS monitor which
: runs entirely within Kermit. Initially all I want to be able to do is:
: 
:  1.  monitor the UPS
:  2.  start a shutdown when a power failure is detected
:  3.  cancel the shutdown when the power is restored
: 
If all that would be dialog-driven, it's entirely possible with Kermit.
It's also possible by monitoring certain modem signals.

: Eventually it would be nice to also be able to:
: 
:  4.  signal other systems to shut down as part of the final shutdown
:      sequence, either over a serial line or the network.
:      
This would be more complicated, since it must involve cooperating processes
on the other systems, but certainly possible.

: Any thoughts on this from more experienced kermit users?
: 
: If it can't be run entirely from within Kermit then how about a method,
: any method, for reading the serial port control lines?
: 
: Apparently the UPS devices signal on those rather than through the data. 
: Funny, in roughly 20 years with this OS I've never before had a need to
: read the control signals on a serial line directly.
: 
Here is a brief session with C-Kermit 7.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

that shows it can access the modem-control lines:

$ kermit
C-Kermit 7.0.196 Beta.10+, 30 Oct 1999, for OpenVMS Alpha
 Copyright (C) 1985, 1999,
  Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
Default file-transfer mode is AUTOMATIC
Type ? or HELP for help.
DKA0:[FDC] C-Kermit>set line tta0
DKA0:[FDC] C-Kermit>sho comm

Communications Parameters:
 Line: _ALPHA2$TTA0:, speed: 9600, mode: local, modem: none
 Parity: none, stop-bits: (default) (8N1)
 Duplex: full, flow: xon/xoff, handshake: none
 Carrier-watch: auto, close-on-disconnect: off

 Terminal bytesize: 7, escape character: 28 (^\)

 Carrier Detect      (CD):  Off
 Dataset Ready       (DSR): Off
 Clear To Send       (CTS): Off
 Ring Indicator      (RI):  Off
 Data Terminal Ready (DTR): On
 Request To Send     (RTS): On

DKA0:[FDC] C-Kermit>

C-Kermit 7.0 is recommended; I'm not sure if this stuff works at all in
earlier versions.  The command for monitoring modem signals is WAIT:


DKA0:[FDC] C-Kermit>help wait

Syntax: WAIT { number-of-seconds, hh:mm:ss } [modem-signal(s)]

Examples:
  wait 5 cd cts
  wait 23:59:59 cd

  Waits up to the given number of seconds or the given time of day for all
  the specified modem signals to appear on the serial communication device.
  Sets FAILURE if the signals do not appear in the given time or interrupted
  from the keyboard during the waiting period.  Also see HELP PAUSE.

Signals:
  cd  = Carrier Detect;
  dsr = Dataset Ready;
  cts = Clear To Send;
  ri  = Ring Indicate.

DKA0:[FDC] C-Kermit>exit
$

For sample Kermit scripts (but none of them relating specifically to UPS
control), see:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html

If you develop a script for this, feel free to contribute it to the C-Kermit
script library.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: Paging Script for Ckermit-6.0192
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 18:13:51 -0500
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Hi Frank and Thanks.
I have checked those sites however.  Recently though I did actually get the
page to go through, unfortunatly, only once.  The only  change I made to the
script was to set the modem speed to 1200.  Also of note, was the fact I
locked up the process, and reopened kermit and as I took the script took the
script to use apage, it dumped the previous spooled version, and that is the
only time it connected.  I dont know if that acutally effected the process,
but it was succesful.  I also tried to recreate the error and now recieve an
'invalid paging' message instead of the previous message which I cant recall
right off hand, i know that doesnt help a whole lot, sorry bout that.  So, I
think im going in the right direction, but any suggestions you could make
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks agian,
-Mike

Frank da Cruz wrote:

> In article <38234654.F462803F@ot.com>, Mike  <founder@ot.com> wrote:
> :     Does anyone have a unix script for alphanumeric paging ?  I am in
> : the process of setting up Big Brother, but before that I need to have
> : Kermit successfully paging.  I can get it to dial out but when it gets
> : to the id request, it always times out, and I get the failed message.
> :     I have also check around on some sites but havent seen anthing to
> : point out what the problem might be.  If anyone has any suggestions, it
> : would be appreciated.
> :
> The best place to look is the Kermit site:
>
>   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
>
> Here you could search for "pager" or "alphanumeric page" and find what
> you're looking for.  In particular:
>
> ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/scripts/ckermit/alphapage
>   The alphanumeric pager script for C-Kermit 7.0
>
> ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/scripts/ckermit/alphapage6
>   The alphanumeric pager script for C-Kermit 6.0
>
> C-Kermit 7.0, now in late Beta, is recommended:
>
>   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html
>
> Also be sure to read:
>
> http://www.cc.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html
>   "Kermit Software and Pagers"
>
> - Frank


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Subject: Re: Paging Script for Ckermit-6.0192
Date: 5 Nov 1999 23:29:22 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <3823647C.4D36816@ot.com>, Mike  <founder@ot.com> wrote:
: I have checked those sites however.  Recently though I did actually get the
: page to go through, unfortunatly, only once.  The only  change I made to the
: script was to set the modem speed to 1200.  Also of note, was the fact I
: locked up the process, and reopened kermit and as I took the script took the
: script to use apage, it dumped the previous spooled version, and that is the
: only time it connected.  I dont know if that acutally effected the process,
: but it was succesful.  I also tried to recreate the error and now recieve an
: 'invalid paging' message instead of the previous message which I cant recall
: right off hand, i know that doesnt help a whole lot, sorry bout that.  So, I
: think im going in the right direction, but any suggestions you could make
: would be greatly appreciated.
: 
Well, the stuff works for most people.  Why don't we take it offline -- 
you'll need to send details, logs, etc, before we can tell you what's wrong.

The most common problem is in the modem-to-modem negotiations.  If you've
got a whizz-bang V.34 or 56K or other fancy modem, all those initial
negotiations can drive some paging services nuts.  They really want you to
call them with a real, genuine, Hayes 1200 that knows nothing about
compression, error correction, or any of the rest.

I happen to have one of these -- they just keep on tickin' -- and in every
case where alpha paging failed consistently, or often, using the Hayes 1200
got the page through every time.

Of course you can't buy modems like this any more, so the next best thing
is to give your modem the commands needed to "dumb it down" to Hayes 1200
level: turn off all its features.  The APAGE script does this, provided 
you've truthfully identified your modem type to it.  If you tell the script
you have a Hayes 1200 when your really have (say) a Compaq 56K, all bets
are off.

If these hints aren't helpful, send details of your troubles by email to
kermit-support@columbia.edu.  First read:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html#hints

to get an idea of the level of detail we need.

Meanwhile, all readers are more than welcome to chime in with hints and tips
of their own (as always!).

- Frank

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From: stevenhill@aol.com (StevenHill)
Subject: SCO Unix 5.05 - setuid and setgrp errors
Date: 08 Nov 1999 16:35:31 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Message-ID: <19991108113531.00892.00002399@ng-fu1.aol.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

We have a situation where we are getting setuid and setgrp errors when C-Kermit
is called from our program. C-Kermit is supplied by a vendor of ours, and we
use it to transmit data to them. If we log in as root, or set it up so that
when a user logs in they go to a prompt rather than running our applicaion, and
then execute kermit from the command line, all works fine. We have about
seventy other clients, all running SCO Unix 5.05, that are not having any
problem at all. The one unique thing about this location is that their file
system is set up such that the directory that our application is run out of is
a virtual link to a partition. That is, our clients are usually set up so that
the application is run from /usr/medical on the root file system, this client
is set up so that the root file system is small, and the have a /dev/medical
file system that is mounted as /usr/medical (or some such thing). Their
hardware people say that /usr/medical is a virtual directory linked to the
/dev/medical file system. 

The application is written in C (the version of C that came with SCO Xenix
several years ago, never upgraded and a recent attempt to upgrade to the latest
version of C on SCO Unix resulted in thousands of errors, mostly due to missing
parameters to functions that have changed from then to now)

Any thoughts as to what we can do would be appreciated. If other info is
needed, I will do my best to acquire it. 

If you can, please respond to StevenHill@aol.com

Thanks in advance
Steven Hill
Buford, GA USA


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: SCO Unix 5.05 - setuid and setgrp errors
Date: 8 Nov 1999 16:59:07 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <19991108113531.00892.00002399@ng-fu1.aol.com>,
StevenHill <stevenhill@aol.com> wrote:
: We have a situation where we are getting setuid and setgrp errors when
: C-Kermit is called from our program. C-Kermit is supplied by a vendor of
: ours, and we use it to transmit data to them. If we log in as root, or set
: it up so that when a user logs in they go to a prompt rather than running
: our applicaion, and then execute kermit from the command line, all works
: fine. We have about seventy other clients, all running SCO Unix 5.05, that
: are not having any problem at all. The one unique thing about this location
: is that their file system is set up such that the directory that our
: application is run out of is a virtual link to a partition. That is, our
: clients are usually set up so that the application is run from /usr/medical
: on the root file system, this client is set up so that the root file system
: is small, and the have a /dev/medical file system that is mounted as
: /usr/medical (or some such thing). Their hardware people say that
: /usr/medical is a virtual directory linked to the /dev/medical file system.
: 
: The application is written in C (the version of C that came with SCO Xenix
: several years ago, never upgraded and a recent attempt to upgrade to the
: latest version of C on SCO Unix resulted in thousands of errors, mostly due
: to missing parameters to functions that have changed from then to now)
: 
: Any thoughts as to what we can do would be appreciated. If other info is
: needed, I will do my best to acquire it. 
: 
What version of C-Kermit is it?  What kind of connection are you trying to
make (dialed? network?).  See:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html#hints

for some pointers on what kind of info should be supplied in a tech support
question.

For dialup connections, please read the UNIX Appendix of "Using C-Kermit"
about the choices you have for giving C-Kermit access to the dialout devices,
how they work, and what the tradeoffs are.

- Frank

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From: stevenhill@aol.com (StevenHill)
Subject: Re: SCO Unix 5.05 - setuid and setgrp errors
Date: 09 Nov 1999 16:00:00 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Message-ID: <19991109110000.16565.00003490@ng-fn1.aol.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

>What version of C-Kermit is it?  What kind of connection are you trying to
>make (dialed? network?).

It is a dialed connection, and we are using 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96 for SCO Open
Server R5 according to the message that comes up when Kermit is started from
the system prompt. We have many accounts using this same set up and working
fine. As stated before, the only difference (besides data <g>) between the set
ups is that this account is set up with the drive segmented off into a number
of partitions and our application does not reside on the root partition, it is
in a directory that is what the hardware people are calling a virtual link to
where the application really is. (Our application depends on it residing in a
particular directory, although that is changing with the next release) 

I hope this information will allow you to help me with the question of getting
setuid and setgid (setgrp?) errors. These errors only happen if we execute
Kermit from our application, and only on this particular system. If you could
tell me what causes Kermit to execute these functions, then I might know what
we can do to stop them from being called. It seems that they are not called if
we run it from the command line. (no errors anyway, and Kermit has only
rwxrwxrwx permissions, no rws permissions, although we tried setting the
permissions to rwsrwsrwx and it made no difference)

Oh yes, we are supplied a binary and our vendor says that they do not have the
source either, so I quess it was acquired in binary format, not source.

Thanks for the reply.

Steven Hill
Buford, GA USA

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: SCO Unix 5.05 - setuid and setgrp errors
Date: 9 Nov 1999 17:23:49 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <19991109110000.16565.00003490@ng-fn1.aol.com>,
StevenHill <stevenhill@aol.com> wrote:
: >What version of C-Kermit is it?  What kind of connection are you trying to
: >make (dialed? network?).
: 
: It is a dialed connection, and we are using 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96 for SCO Open
: Server R5 according to the message that comes up when Kermit is started from
: the system prompt. We have many accounts using this same set up and working
: fine. As stated before, the only difference (besides data <g>) between the
: set ups is that this account is set up with the drive segmented off into a
: number of partitions and our application does not reside on the root
: partition, it is in a directory that is what the hardware people are calling
: a virtual link to where the application really is. (Our application depends
: on it residing in a particular directory, although that is changing with the
: next release)
: 
: I hope this information will allow you to help me with the question of
: getting setuid and setgid (setgrp?) errors. These errors only happen if we
: execute Kermit from our application, and only on this particular system. If
: you could tell me what causes Kermit to execute these functions, then I
: might know what we can do to stop them from being called. It seems that they
: are not called if we run it from the command line. (no errors anyway, and
: Kermit has only rwxrwxrwx permissions, no rws permissions, although we tried
: setting the permissions to rwsrwsrwx and it made no difference)
: 
Again, the different options for giving Kermit access to the dialout device
are explained in the documentation.  If the suid/sgid method doesn't work
for some reason, then you either have to figure out why (read the
documentation to see all the things that can go wrong) and fix it, or else
open up the lockfile directory and dialout device so suid/sgid is not
needed in the first place.

: Oh yes, we are supplied a binary and our vendor says that they do not have
: the source either, so I quess it was acquired in binary format, not source.
: 
This will sound mean, but then isn't this your vendor's problem?  There's no
way on earth I can know what your vendor did.  Presumably your vendor licensed
C-Kermit from us according to the terms and conditions at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/commercial.html

and if they did this, they know it is their responsibility to support their
customers (like you), and our responsibility to support them.  So in this
case, they should contact us instead of you, since they know what they did,
but you don't and neither do I.

If they did not license it, they should have.

- Frank

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From: Mike <staff@ot.com>
Subject: Re: Paging Script for Ckermit-6.0192
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 14:11:57 -0500
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hello Frank,
   Well, I have solved the problem.  I ran the modem through a series of paging
attempts at different rates.  Suprisingly, when I went to 9600 the page went
through rather quickly.  I tested this about 10 times and 10 times I recieved a
page, so I am up and running, thanks again for you thoughts.

-Mike Ritter

Frank da Cruz wrote:

> In article <3823647C.4D36816@ot.com>, Mike  <founder@ot.com> wrote:
> : I have checked those sites however.  Recently though I did actually get the
> : page to go through, unfortunatly, only once.  The only  change I made to the
> : script was to set the modem speed to 1200.  Also of note, was the fact I
> : locked up the process, and reopened kermit and as I took the script took the
> : script to use apage, it dumped the previous spooled version, and that is the
> : only time it connected.  I dont know if that acutally effected the process,
> : but it was succesful.  I also tried to recreate the error and now recieve an
> : 'invalid paging' message instead of the previous message which I cant recall
> : right off hand, i know that doesnt help a whole lot, sorry bout that.  So, I
> : think im going in the right direction, but any suggestions you could make
> : would be greatly appreciated.
> :
> Well, the stuff works for most people.  Why don't we take it offline --
> you'll need to send details, logs, etc, before we can tell you what's wrong.
>
> The most common problem is in the modem-to-modem negotiations.  If you've
> got a whizz-bang V.34 or 56K or other fancy modem, all those initial
> negotiations can drive some paging services nuts.  They really want you to
> call them with a real, genuine, Hayes 1200 that knows nothing about
> compression, error correction, or any of the rest.
>
> I happen to have one of these -- they just keep on tickin' -- and in every
> case where alpha paging failed consistently, or often, using the Hayes 1200
> got the page through every time.
>
> Of course you can't buy modems like this any more, so the next best thing
> is to give your modem the commands needed to "dumb it down" to Hayes 1200
> level: turn off all its features.  The APAGE script does this, provided
> you've truthfully identified your modem type to it.  If you tell the script
> you have a Hayes 1200 when your really have (say) a Compaq 56K, all bets
> are off.
>
> If these hints aren't helpful, send details of your troubles by email to
> kermit-support@columbia.edu.  First read:
>
>   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html#hints
>
> to get an idea of the level of detail we need.
>
> Meanwhile, all readers are more than welcome to chime in with hints and tips
> of their own (as always!).
>
> - Frank


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Subject: MSK317
From: cangel@famvid.com
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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 20:57:44 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Has the MSKermit v3.17 package been made available for download anywhere and
I missed it?

Charles.Angelich


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Date: 9 Nov 1999 21:19:04 GMT
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In article <cV%V3.56047$YB4.1462222@typ12.nn.bcandid.com>,
 <cangel@famvid.com> wrote:
: Has the MSKermit v3.17 package been made available for download anywhere 
: and I missed it?
: 
No and no.  MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 is current, 3.16 is in Beta, and 3.17 has
never even been mentioned, until now.

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html

- Frank

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FD><cangel@famvid.com> wrote:
FD>: Has the MSKermit v3.17 package been made available for download
FD>anywhere : and I missed it?

FD>:
FD>No and no.  MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 is current, 3.16 is in Beta, and 3.
FD>17 has never even been mentioned, until now.

Then it was 3.16 beta II cause Joe Doupnik did say he had a newer version he
was going to make available about 2 or 3 weeks ago?

Charles.Angelich


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Subject: Re: SCO Unix 5.05 - setuid and setgrp errors
Message-ID: <t2lW3.7127$L5.81819@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:01:13 GMT
Organization: Talkway, Inc.
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

> I hope this information will allow you to help me with the question of getting
> setuid and setgid (setgrp?) errors. These errors only happen if we execute
> Kermit from our application, and only on this particular system. If you could
> tell me what causes Kermit to execute these functions, then I might know what
> we can do to stop them from being called. It seems that they are not called if
> we run it from the command line. (no errors anyway, and Kermit has only
> rwxrwxrwx permissions, no rws permissions, although we tried setting the
> permissions to rwsrwsrwx and it made no difference)
> 
> Buford, GA USA

Try this (it works on all our SCO systems from Xenix to OS5.05)
locate the kermit binary
chown uucp kermit
chgrp uucp kermit
chmod 4755 kermit

You may also want to check the ownership/permission of the device the
modem is 
on to be sure it is owned by uucp.  Also try running /etc/uuinstall #5
to check the
consistency of uucp files/directories.
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From: Claude Comeau <cqcomeau@comeau.com>
Subject: DOS Kermit via TCP/IP over Novell is packet driver required?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:30:26 -0500
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I am using 486 Dell's with version 3.14 of Kermit to talk to a DEC Alpha
over a WAN.  Currently we are using Novell's Client32 and the packet
driver for the appropriate Intel NIC cards.  We would like to run just
TCP/IP through Novell and not use a packet driver.  Is this possible?
If so do I use the packet-driver... command in Kermit or some other
command to attach Kermit to Novell's TCP/IP.  Any answer or resource
that could help would be appreciated.  Thanks.


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From: Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net>
Subject: Re: FINISH command
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:43:11 -0800
Organization: Not Very Much
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

"Bond, James Bond" wrote:
> 
> I am connecting to a VMS machine running VT100.  They require Kermit
> protocol for uploads.
> 
> I am running a terminal program, that supports the Kermit protocol, on
> a Win98 PC.

Which terminal program?
 
> Everything goes perfectly until my file transfer finishes.  I am
> required to send the FINISH command.  I understand that this command
> is actually a key combination (ALT-?, or CTRL-?)

No, it is not a key combination.  It is a Kermit protocol packet
containing a FINISH command.
 
> 2 problems:  #1,  the program I am running seems to trap CTRL key
> combinations so I cannot even at the remote prompt.
> ( >Ctrl-g to quit does nothing)(No typed text is accepted)
> #2, I cannot find the command sequence for FINISH.

Some terminal programs which support Kermit protocol will offer a method
for sending a finish command.  It might be an item in the file transfer
menu or dialog.  It might be a keyboard entry of some kind.

Other "brain dead" programs such as HyperTerminal that comes with Win9x
offer no such method and are thus not very useful.

The real answer is to use a real Kermit implementation/Terminal
emulation program for Win9x, namely Kermit95 - see
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

Short of this, you might try faking a finish packet by typing the
following 6 characters:
1) start of packet character - usually ctrl-A
2) dollar sign '$'
3) space ' '
4) 'G'
5) 'F'
6) '4'

If you can't convince your terminal program to pass the ctrl-A, then
you're probably out of luck.

Another possibility is to look at the VMS end.  It appears to be acting
as a kermit server, thus the necessity for a finish command to end the
server mode.  Maybe there is some way to tell it to just receive one
file instead of going into server mode.

What is the Kermit program at the VMS end?  How do you tell it you're
going to transfer a file?

-- 
Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: auto-dial pager to alert of system trouble
Date: 16 Nov 1999 14:39:06 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <80rqaa$1oa$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <DI4Y3.59665$it.1466850@news2.rdc1.on.home.com>,
Myles Fudge <mfudge@christiegrp.com> wrote:
: > : I'm looking for a program that I can call from within a script which
: > : will dial my pager when there is system trouble.
: > :
: > C-Kermit:
: >
: >   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html
: >   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html
: >   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html
:
: It looks like your software will certainly accomplish what I am interested
: in.  There are way too many features that I am not interested in, however.
: Do I have to install the whole package just to send a numeric message?  I
: was thinking of a solution in the order of a few K if possible.
: 
You can build a custom version that omits many of the features you don't
need.  The method is described in:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/text/ckccfg.txt

Obviously you need communications i/o, dialing, and the command language.
Here is a quick suggestion for building a smaller executable:

  make xxxx "KFLAGS=-DNODEBUG -DNCSETS -DNOXFER -DNOCURSES -DNOHELP -DNONET"

where 'xxxx' is the appropriate target in the makefile.  This cuts the
executable size by about 50%.  Further reductions are possible.

- Frank

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From: Christopher Mosley <cmosley@voicenet.com>
Subject: mskermit ansi-bbs
Message-ID: <hLoY3.10$CM.1641@news2.voicenet.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 02:51:57 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I wrote a short time ago about various unix text programs
that have incorporated ansi color: gnu dir and ls, most, lynx, tin,
ncurses  demo programs (digital clock, fireworks etc). These program all
work fine in ckermit when run from the linux console or in an "rxvt" xterm
window (but not the xterm called xterm). They also all work in mskermit when
the term type is set to ansi-bbs (this is necessary, the kermit vt color
support is not adequate for some of these programs, especially since it
doesn't really exist ) and the termcap is a particular xterm-r5 terminfo
with the strings for ansi color added - set ansi foreground and background
etc. Since the ansi-bbs term type does not support the special graphic chars
of the vt100 and the terminfo does not specify a special graphics set, some
programs render box chars as the ascii chars | + -. It seems that by
specifying the acsc= string in the terminfo these ascii chars could
be replaced by the real box chars - this can be done.

So finally here is my Question .  The ansi-bbs charset starts out a
particular way but after some programs are run. It has inexplicably changed
(inexplicable to me) the 8bit chars have been remapped, now the first 8bit
char is the first char in the dos codepage (smiley face). The dos code page
has been replicated starting at the first 8 bit char. It can be reset
back to the original simply by resetting the ansii-bbs term type. Just
wondering why this is - why has the char set changed and not been returned
to its original state _or_ where can I find a description of the ansi-bbs
terminal emulation.
                                                              Thanks
   
      

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Subject: Re: mskermit ansi-bbs
Message-ID: <Z3d8eDZWNxFH@cc.usu.edu>
Date: 16 Nov 99 21:17:08 MDT
Organization: Utah State University
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <hLoY3.10$CM.1641@news2.voicenet.com>, Christopher Mosley <cmosley@voicenet.com> writes:
> I wrote a short time ago about various unix text programs
> that have incorporated ansi color: gnu dir and ls, most, lynx, tin,
> ncurses  demo programs (digital clock, fireworks etc). These program all
> work fine in ckermit when run from the linux console or in an "rxvt" xterm
> window (but not the xterm called xterm). They also all work in mskermit when
> the term type is set to ansi-bbs (this is necessary, the kermit vt color
> support is not adequate for some of these programs, especially since it
> doesn't really exist ) and the termcap is a particular xterm-r5 terminfo
> with the strings for ansi color added - set ansi foreground and background
> etc. Since the ansi-bbs term type does not support the special graphic chars
> of the vt100 and the terminfo does not specify a special graphics set, some
> programs render box chars as the ascii chars | + -. It seems that by
> specifying the acsc= string in the terminfo these ascii chars could
> be replaced by the real box chars - this can be done.
> 
> So finally here is my Question .  The ansi-bbs charset starts out a
> particular way but after some programs are run. It has inexplicably changed
> (inexplicable to me) the 8bit chars have been remapped, now the first 8bit
> char is the first char in the dos codepage (smiley face). The dos code page
> has been replicated starting at the first 8 bit char. It can be reset
> back to the original simply by resetting the ansii-bbs term type. Just
> wondering why this is - why has the char set changed and not been returned
> to its original state _or_ where can I find a description of the ansi-bbs
> terminal emulation.
>                                                               Thanks
------------
	The terminal emulators in Kermits aren't doing the change, clearly.
That leaves such things as sudden use of parity to contend with, and changes
on the remote host. There is also the unfortunate situation of no such thing
as an ansi-bbs terminal itself so specs are mostly snippets of this and that
mixed with some ANSI suggestions. That leaves plenty of room for end to end
misunderstandings. As if that weren't enough then add that VT style work
often underlays the ansi-bbs emulation and then VT commands can modify the
displayable character set. It's a muddle; one better avoided if possible.
	I'm not certain there is any doc that defines ansi-bbs, or if one
exists that it applies broadly.
	Logging what is sent is probably a more productive way of
understanding the problem at hand.
        Joe D.

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Subject: Re: mskermit ansi-bbs
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:31:30 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Christopher Mosley <cmosley@voicenet.com> wrote:

> (inexplicable to me) the 8bit chars have been remapped, now the first 8bit
> char is the first char in the dos codepage (smiley face). The dos code page
> has been replicated starting at the first 8 bit char. It can be reset
> back to the original simply by resetting the ansii-bbs term type. Just
> wondering why this is - why has the char set changed and not been returned
> to its original state _or_ where can I find a description of the ansi-bbs
> terminal emulation.
>                                                               Thanks
It just occurred to me that the 8 bit characters have become what they would
be if the 1 in 256s column was removed from the binary denotation of the
the character. Maybe the terminal has somehow become 7bit? 

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:43:27 GMT
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Christopher Mosley <cmosley@voicenet.com> wrote:


> So finally here is my Question .  The ansi-bbs charset starts out a
> particular way but after some programs are run. It has inexplicably changed
> (inexplicable to me) the 8bit chars have been remapped, now the first 8bit
> char is the first char in the dos codepage (smiley face). The dos code page
> has been replicated starting at the first 8 bit char. It can be reset
> back to the original simply by resetting the ansii-bbs term type. Just
> wondering why this is - why has the char set changed and not been returned
> to its original state _or_ where can I find a description of the ansi-bbs
> terminal emulation.
>                                                               Thanks
 It occurred to me this is what the 8bit chars would become if the
 1 in 128s column was removed in the binary denotation of the char.
 Maybe the terminal has somehow become 7bit.      
       

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From: "Yoner, Clinton [WDLN2:2X38:EXCH]" <cyoner@americasm01.nt.com>
Subject: Is there Kermit for the QNX OS?
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:33:02 -0500
Organization: Nortel Networks
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Is there Kermit for the QNX OS?

Thanks
-Clint


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Subject: Re: Is there Kermit for the QNX OS?
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:49:34 -0500
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Sorry. I found it.

Clint


"Yoner, Clinton [WDLN2:2X38:EXCH]" wrote:

> Is there Kermit for the QNX OS?
>
> Thanks
> -Clint


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Is there Kermit for the QNX OS?
Date: 17 Nov 1999 20:47:24 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <80v48s$9l2$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <383310FE.9CFB7000@americasm01.nt.com>,
Yoner, Clinton [WDLN2:2X38:EXCH] <cyoner@americasm01.nt.com> wrote:
: Is there Kermit for the QNX OS?
: 
Yes:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

- Frank


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: telnetting & international character sets
Date: 17 Nov 1999 20:59:54 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <3832DA08.1CDCEFAD@x9media.com>,
Frank Joerdens  <frank@x9media.com> wrote:
: When telnetting from one Linux box to another I cannot get the
: international characters to work properly. When logged in at the console
: on either box, I can display those characters just fine (German
: umlauts), but not in a telnet session. How do you control this behaviour
: with the Linux telnet program?
: 
Different computers and applications can use different encodings for the
same characters.  Most Telnet clients do not care about this, and so your
Umlaute turn into Abfälle.

It can even happen between two Linuxes, in which the local encoding might
be (say) PC Code Page 850, but the xterm window uses ISO 8859-1 Latin
Alphabet 1.

Use a telnet client that knows about character sets, such as C-Kermit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

If my guess about the character sets was correct, you would give it these
commands:

  eightbit
  set terminal character-set cp850 latin1
  telnet <hostname>

This means: use 8-bit data paths between the two computers, convert
between CP850 on the remote computer and Latin-1 on the local one, and
make a Telnet connection from the local to the remote.

- Frank

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From: "David L. Harfst" <harfst@cms-stl.com>
Organization: Computerized Medical Systems
Subject: Getting kermit SERVER command to stop when carrier is lost
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:12:00 -0600
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hello,

I'm setting up an application to transfer a file using 
C-Kermit  6.0.192 on HP-UX via modem another HP, using the
same C-Kermit version in server mode.

The server script is set up to ANSWER the modem and then go
into SERVER mode.

The client then issues the REMOTE LOGIN command, does a SEND,
and then FINISH.

The SERVER mode ends, the file is processed, and then the 
script is restarted and the ANSWER command issued again.

My problem is that if carrier is lost during the file transfer,
the SERVER command just sits and waits.  On the next incoming
call, a connection is made and a file can be transfered without
issuing the REMOTE LOGIN command.

I want the SERVER command to end when carrier is lost and I
can't find a way to do that.  The closest thing I've found
is the SERVER Idle-timeout command, which is not recongnized
by the version of kermit that I am running.  Even so, that's
just a workaround.  Ideally, SERVER should be able to stop 
immediately if the connection is broken. 

-- 
David L. Harfst                     Computerized Medical Systems
System Admin Manager        """""     http://www.cms-stl.com
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Getting kermit SERVER command to stop when carrier is lost
Date: 18 Nov 1999 18:30:51 GMT
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In article <38344170.CEF293BF@cms-stl.com>,
David L. Harfst <harfst@cms-stl.com> wrote:
: I'm setting up an application to transfer a file using 
: C-Kermit  6.0.192 on HP-UX via modem another HP, using the
: same C-Kermit version in server mode.
: 
: The server script is set up to ANSWER the modem and then go
: into SERVER mode.
: 
: The client then issues the REMOTE LOGIN command, does a SEND,
: and then FINISH.
: 
: The SERVER mode ends, the file is processed, and then the 
: script is restarted and the ANSWER command issued again.
: 
: My problem is that if carrier is lost during the file transfer,
: the SERVER command just sits and waits.  On the next incoming
: call, a connection is made and a file can be transfered without
: issuing the REMOTE LOGIN command.
: 
: I want the SERVER command to end when carrier is lost and I
: can't find a way to do that.  The closest thing I've found
: is the SERVER Idle-timeout command, which is not recongnized
: by the version of kermit that I am running.  Even so, that's
: just a workaround.  Ideally, SERVER should be able to stop 
: immediately if the connection is broken. 
: 
We have tried to address this problem in C-Kermit 7.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

Please try it and see if it works for you.

- Frank

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From: "Tim O'Shea" <timos@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Modem reset
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:16:14 -0000
Message-ID: <383bb3d3.0@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I have kermit paging me when a problem arises during the overnight batch run
(This is on AIX).  This works fine, but once the pager message is sent, the
modem isn't set correctly for dial in.  I am wondering if the reset is
restoring to factory defaults, rather than to the power on defaults, and if
so, how do I change it?

Thanks

--
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Systems Administrator - Managed Services
Lynx Financial Systems (UK) Limited
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: Modem reset
Date: 24 Nov 1999 14:01:07 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <383bb3d3.0@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net>,
Tim O'Shea <timos@bigfoot.com> wrote:
: I have kermit paging me when a problem arises during the overnight batch run
: (This is on AIX).  This works fine, but once the pager message is sent, the
: modem isn't set correctly for dial in.  I am wondering if the reset is
: restoring to factory defaults, rather than to the power on defaults, and if
: so, how do I change it?
: 

The problem is most likely that you are sending the reset at 1200 baud.
After hanging up the modem you must switch back to the baud rate the
getty is expecting and then issue 

  output AT\13

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Modem reset
Date: 24 Nov 1999 14:33:38 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <81gr33$cdr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <383bb3d3.0@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net>,
: Tim O'Shea <timos@bigfoot.com> wrote:
: : I have kermit paging me when a problem arises during the overnight batch
: : run (This is on AIX).  This works fine, but once the pager message is
: : sent, the modem isn't set correctly for dial in.  I am wondering if the
: : reset is restoring to factory defaults, rather than to the power on
: : defaults, and if so, how do I change it?
: 
: The problem is most likely that you are sending the reset at 1200 baud.
: After hanging up the modem you must switch back to the baud rate the
: getty is expecting and then issue 
: 
:   output AT\13
: 
But in general, the viability of the port for future arriving calls should
not depend on dialout programs leaving the port in the desired state (since,
after all, how should the communication program know what the desired state
is?).

Bidirectional modems are a big system administration headache, and the answer
to questions like this depends on exactly which operating system (AIX in your
case) and version, and the modem, and we don't pretend to know them all.

Kermit doesn't do anything when it dials out that any other program (like
cu or tip) doesn't do, so I imagine you would have the same problem after
dialing out with any other program.

The answer usually involves some detailed configuration of the modem and/or
the operating system.  Again, the details depend on the exact OS and version
AND on the modem.  Some modems can be set up for answer mode, and the
configuration saved in such a way that it is restored automatically any time
a call hangs up.  Other modems might not have this feature and then you'll
need to look into the many and varied getty variants and configurations.

- Frank

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From: "John K. Picken" <yg473@victoria.tc.ca>
Subject: Re: Modem reset
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:04:57 -0800
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Tim O'Shea wrote:

> I have kermit paging me when a problem arises during the overnight batch run
> (This is on AIX).  This works fine, but once the pager message is sent, the
> modem isn't set correctly for dial in.  I am wondering if the reset is
> restoring to factory defaults, rather than to the power on defaults, and if
> so, how do I change it?
> 
The modem reset command (usually) restores the modem to the settings last
stored in NVRAM using (again usually) the AT&W command. On many modems you
can have more than one reset command i.e. ATZ (=ATZ0) and ATZ1; in such a
case ATZ0 would restore the settings saved with AT&W0 while ATZ1 would
restore those saved with AT&W1. On some modems, you can select which of
two (or more) configurations are restored on a default (ATZ) reset using
AT&Yn (might just be ATYn) where n=0 or n=1 etc.

Factory settings are not necessarily the same since, as outlined, the
stored profiles can be modified. Usually, AT&Fn will restore factory
profile number "n".

Generally, power on will perform an ATZ so you should get the profile
stored in NVRAM rather than the factory defaults. But, not all settings
are saved in the profile in all modems eg. my Supra 14.4 works best with
S95 set to 47 but the value is not saved and has to be restored via
software each time I boot the modem. In your case, my guess would be that
the stored profile is not setting (probably) S0 correctly.

All the "usually"s and "probably"s are because there is no real
hard and fast standard for modems.

jkp



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From: "4You" <4you@mail.ru>
Subject: default printing
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:59:31 +0200
Organization: EUnet Estonia
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hi,
i am using Kermit 1.1.17 ver.
how i can print to defaut printer (in Win98)
set printer ????

thaks


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In article <81h2fm$lvl$1@galaxy.data.ee>, 4You <4you@mail.ru> wrote:
: Hi,
: i am using Kermit 1.1.17 ver.
: how i can print to defaut printer (in Win98)
: set printer ????
: 
: thaks
: 

set printer /windows-queue:


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From: Bob Bernstein <bobbern@delphi.com>
Subject: BBS and Kermit
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:39:07 GMT
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My local bbs, a Wildcat board, now has a telnet node, so I have been
trying to access it and grab qwk packets with Kermit. With K95, and
using the board's zmodem protocol, the packets come through nicely.

If I set the board to use its kermit protocol, then the packets come
through mangled and can't be unzipped. This even if I set K95 to "robust"
mode.

I get the same result using Kermit for DOS on another machine, i.e. qwk
packets sent to me via kermit get corrupted in transit.

I do notice some oddness at the end of the d/l; it's as if the board isn't
sure the packet d/l has been completed. I don't see this using zmodem.

I'm doing all of this via ethernet to a Linux box connected to a cable modem.

-- 
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From: Arthur Marsh <marsh@ties.itu.ch>
Organization: International Telecommunications Union - TIES user
Subject: Re: BBS and Kermit
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:07:54 +1030
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

It sounds as if the bbs' kermit implementation isn't sending the files
in binary mode. Can you try a conventional binary file download from the
bbs, rather than a .qwk packet? 

Bob Bernstein wrote:
> 
> My local bbs, a Wildcat board, now has a telnet node, so I have been
> trying to access it and grab qwk packets with Kermit. With K95, and
> using the board's zmodem protocol, the packets come through nicely.
> 
> If I set the board to use its kermit protocol, then the packets come
> through mangled and can't be unzipped. This even if I set K95 to "robust"
> mode.
> 
> I get the same result using Kermit for DOS on another machine, i.e. qwk
> packets sent to me via kermit get corrupted in transit.
> 
> I do notice some oddness at the end of the d/l; it's as if the board isn't
> sure the packet d/l has been completed. I don't see this using zmodem.
> 
> I'm doing all of this via ethernet to a Linux box connected to a cable modem.
> 
> --
> Bob Bernstein               http://members.home.net/ruptured-duck
> at                                   bobbern@delphi.com
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Subject: Re: BBS and Kermit
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:41:02 GMT
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Arthur Marsh <marsh@ties.itu.ch> wrote:
> It sounds as if the bbs' kermit implementation isn't sending the files
> in binary mode. Can you try a conventional binary file download from the
> bbs, rather than a .qwk packet? 

I watched the packet length while downloading a file listing, a zipped text
file. It jumped quickly between 80 and 81 but never seemed to vary from
those values. This suggests a 'file type text' setting is in place, no?

I was using K95 set to binary, packet length 94, and 'Kermit Robust'.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: BBS and Kermit
Date: 25 Nov 1999 16:40:20 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <vI5%3.1$f5.662@news1.wwck1.ri.home.com>,
Bob Bernstein  <bobbern@delphi.com> wrote:
: My local bbs, a Wildcat board, now has a telnet node, so I have been
: trying to access it and grab qwk packets with Kermit. With K95, and
: using the board's zmodem protocol, the packets come through nicely.
: 
: If I set the board to use its kermit protocol, then the packets come
: through mangled and can't be unzipped. This even if I set K95 to "robust"
: mode.
: 
: I get the same result using Kermit for DOS on another machine, i.e. qwk
: packets sent to me via kermit get corrupted in transit.
: 
: I do notice some oddness at the end of the d/l; it's as if the board isn't
: sure the packet d/l has been completed. I don't see this using zmodem.
: 
The Wildcat Kermit implementation has had this bug for years; I guess it
still has it.  For an explanation see Section 4.22 of:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/text/ckermit2.txt

(in particular, section 4.22.3).  The workaround described there is available
so far only in C-Kermit 7.0; the real solution, of course, is for Wildcat to
fix the bug.

But if you want fast and accurate Kermit files transfer, I'd recommend you
install a real Kermit program as the external Kermit protocol on your BBS.
For some hints (regarding DOS-based BBSs), see:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html#bbs

- Frank

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From: bobbern@delphi.com
Subject: Re: BBS and Kermit
Message-ID: <ute%3.407$f5.3516@news1.wwck1.ri.home.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:37:30 GMT
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:

> The Wildcat Kermit implementation has had this bug for years; I guess it
> still has it.

Roger that. <g>

> But if you want fast and accurate Kermit files transfer, I'd recommend you
> install a real Kermit program as the external Kermit protocol on your BBS.

I will forward the referenced texts, along with some of the MSDOS Kermit
docs to the sysop of the board. He's in a 'major-upgrade' mode so maybe I
can convince him that his new telnet node is not really complete until he
fixes Kermit!

Thanks Frank!

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From: spam@address.invalid (David Stone)
Subject: C-Kermit 7.0 and text file transfer on RH 6.1
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 10:59:18 -0500
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry
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Having a problem following a switch to a system running RH Linux 6.1
with C-Kermit 7.0 installed.  On text file transfers to a Mac, all
line feed and carriage return characters are getting stripped whereas
the previous system (HP-UX running an old Kermit) only the line feeds
were stripped.  Nothing has been changed on the local (Mac) side.

Does anyone have any clues about how to configure C-Kermit 7.0 to NOT
strip return characters during text transfer?

Thanks!

Please Cc: any response to dstone at chem dot toronto dot edu

-- 
David Stone  (post here if you need to contact me by email)

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0 and text file transfer on RH 6.1
Date: 26 Nov 1999 16:56:46 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <81me4e$dpq$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <spam-2611991059180001@csgmac.chem.utoronto.ca>,
David Stone <spam@address.invalid> wrote:
: Having a problem following a switch to a system running RH Linux 6.1
: with C-Kermit 7.0 installed.  On text file transfers to a Mac, all
: line feed and carriage return characters are getting stripped whereas
: the previous system (HP-UX running an old Kermit) only the line feeds
: were stripped.  Nothing has been changed on the local (Mac) side.
: 
: Does anyone have any clues about how to configure C-Kermit 7.0 to NOT
: strip return characters during text transfer?
: 
I'd need more details.  When a file is sent in text mode from Unix to
Macintosh, here is what happens: each Unix end-of-line, which is 
linefeed, is converted to CRLF (carriage-return+linefeed, the canonical
representation for line-end on the wire); the Macintosh is supposed to
convert these to CR.  So the obvious questions are:

 1. Do the Unix lines really end with LF?
 2. Is the file really being transferred in text mode?
 3. What software is receiving the file on the Macintosh?

To address (1) in case these are not normal Unix text files, you can
use the new SET FILE EOL command to tell Kermit how to detect end of line
in the source file.

- Frank



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From: spam@address.invalid (David Stone)
Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0 and text file transfer on RH 6.1
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:48:41 -0500
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry
Message-ID: <spam-2611991248410001@csgmac.chem.utoronto.ca>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I hate following myself up but...

In article <spam-2611991238050001@csgmac.chem.utoronto.ca>,
spam@address.invalid (David Stone) wrote:

> >  1. Do the Unix lines really end with LF?
> 
> Is there a utility that will let me check this on the Linux box?

The file on the remote host has EOL = LF.  For some reason, these are
not getting converted to CR during the actual transfer.

-- 
David Stone  (post here if you need to contact me by email)

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From: spam@address.invalid (David Stone)
Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0 and text file transfer on RH 6.1
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:38:04 -0500
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry
Message-ID: <spam-2611991238050001@csgmac.chem.utoronto.ca>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <81me4e$dpq$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
> I'd need more details.  When a file is sent in text mode from Unix to
> Macintosh, here is what happens: each Unix end-of-line, which is 
> linefeed, is converted to CRLF (carriage-return+linefeed, the canonical
> representation for line-end on the wire); the Macintosh is supposed to
> convert these to CR.  So the obvious questions are:
> 
>  1. Do the Unix lines really end with LF?

Is there a utility that will let me check this on the Linux box?

>  2. Is the file really being transferred in text mode?

As far as I can tell: certainly, the local client thinks it is receiving
in text mode, and the previous remote host sent in text mode. Is there
a command in Kermit to display the current settings for file transfers?

>  3. What software is receiving the file on the Macintosh?

A rather ancient copy of VT-Pro, for obscure (and mostly political)
reasons. The actual sequence is Mac IIx via dedicated serial connection
to serial/modem hub to Linux box via TCP/IP.

> 
> To address (1) in case these are not normal Unix text files, you can
> use the new SET FILE EOL command to tell Kermit how to detect end of line
> in the source file.

Well, I can at least play with that in the meantime!

-- 
David Stone  (post here if you need to contact me by email)

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: C-Kermit 7.0 and text file transfer on RH 6.1
Date: 26 Nov 1999 18:29:17 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <spam-2611991248410001@csgmac.chem.utoronto.ca>,
David Stone <spam@address.invalid> wrote:
: I hate following myself up but...
: 
: In article <spam-2611991238050001@csgmac.chem.utoronto.ca>,
: spam@address.invalid (David Stone) wrote:
: 
: > >  1. Do the Unix lines really end with LF?
: > 
: > Is there a utility that will let me check this on the Linux box?
: 
: The file on the remote host has EOL = LF.  For some reason, these are
: not getting converted to CR during the actual transfer.
: 
It looks like C-Kermit is sending in binary mode, so the Mac is getting
only LF, not CRLF, and is stripping LFs.

I'm not sure why C-Kermit would be sending in binary mode in this case,
but try this to force text mode:

  set transfer mode manual
  set file type text

And then send the file.

- Frank

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From: Mike <staff@ot.com>
Subject: Modem Speaker
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:45:27 -0500
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Hello,
   I am interested in shutting off my modem so that when it pages I dont
have to hear about it.  I know the AT command to shut it off, but where
do I put that in?   Does it go in the Modem setup in the script, and if
so, what is the actual line to use, exp. "set modem speaker ATM0"
Thanks, any help would be great.

Thanks,
Mike


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Modem Speaker
Date: 27 Nov 1999 15:29:29 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <383F0D57.B489918C@ot.com>, Mike  <founder@ot.com> wrote:
:    I am interested in shutting off my modem so that when it pages I dont
: have to hear about it.  I know the AT command to shut it off, but where
: do I put that in?   Does it go in the Modem setup in the script, and if
: so, what is the actual line to use, exp. "set modem speaker ATM0"
: Thanks, any help would be great.
: 
It depends on which software you are using, and what version.  C-Kermit 7.0
and Kermit 95 1.1.17 have the following commands:

  SET MODEM SPEAKER { ON, OFF }
  SET MODEM VOLUME { HIGH, LOW, MEDIUM }

These send the appropriate commands to the modem when dialing.  How or
whether they work, of course, depends on the modem.

- Frank

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From: zentara@gnat.net (zentara)
Subject: IBM 3101 emulation and C-kermit
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 08:34:05 GMT
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Hi,
I'm running linux and was told that C-kermit would
be my best bet on setting up a terminal emulator
for a dialup connection to a IBM mainframe with
3101 emulation. After reading some of the docs,
I get the impression that the emulation must be done in
the .Xmodmap of the xterm which kermit is running in.

Has anyone been able to do this successfully?	

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: IBM 3101 emulation and C-kermit
Date: 28 Nov 1999 20:41:46 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <3840dce9.35718@news.gnat.net>, zentara <""> wrote:
: I'm running linux and was told that C-kermit would
: be my best bet on setting up a terminal emulator
: for a dialup connection to a IBM mainframe with
: 3101 emulation. After reading some of the docs,
: I get the impression that the emulation must be done in
: the .Xmodmap of the xterm which kermit is running in.
: 
Correct.  C-Kermit is not a terminal emulator -- it's a
communication program that you view through a terminal
emulator.  For details see:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckfaq.html#term

Also, depending on what you mean by "IBM mainframe", the
3101 might not be what you want anyway.  Maybe you really
need tn3270?

- Frank

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From: zentara@gnat.net (zentara)
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 22:27:52 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

On 28 Nov 1999 20:41:46 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da
Cruz) wrote:

>In article <3840dce9.35718@news.gnat.net>, zentara <""> wrote:
>: I'm running linux and was told that C-kermit would
>: be my best bet on setting up a terminal emulator
>: for a dialup connection to a IBM mainframe with
>: 3101 emulation. After reading some of the docs,
>: I get the impression that the emulation must be done in
>: the .Xmodmap of the xterm which kermit is running in.
>: 
>Correct.  C-Kermit is not a terminal emulator -- it's a
>communication program that you view through a terminal
>emulator.  For details see:
>
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckfaq.html#term
>
>Also, depending on what you mean by "IBM mainframe", the
>3101 might not be what you want anyway.  Maybe you really
>need tn3270?
>
Well you are right the tn3270 seems to be an more
up-to-date standard; but the specific terminal type
offered when you log in is 3101, and it seems to work
the best. At least when using a windows based emulator
program like Crosstalk.
Thanks, I'll keep digging. Maybe I'll just try to
run Crosstalk under VMWARE. :-)

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: IBM 3101 emulation and C-kermit
Date: 29 Nov 1999 14:40:22 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <3841abb6.864306@news.gnat.net>, zentara <""> wrote:
: On 28 Nov 1999 20:41:46 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank
: da Cruz) wrote:
: 
: >In article <3840dce9.35718@news.gnat.net>, zentara <""> wrote:
: >: I'm running linux and was told that C-kermit would
: >: be my best bet on setting up a terminal emulator
: >: for a dialup connection to a IBM mainframe with
: >: 3101 emulation. After reading some of the docs,
: >: I get the impression that the emulation must be done in
: >: the .Xmodmap of the xterm which kermit is running in.
: >: 
: >Correct.  C-Kermit is not a terminal emulator -- it's a
: >communication program that you view through a terminal
: >emulator.  For details see:
: >
: >  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckfaq.html#term
: >
: >Also, depending on what you mean by "IBM mainframe", the
: >3101 might not be what you want anyway.  Maybe you really
: >need tn3270?
: >
: Well you are right the tn3270 seems to be an more
: up-to-date standard; but the specific terminal type
: offered when you log in is 3101, and it seems to work
: the best.
:
Then you are logging in through some kind of 3270-to-ASCII
protocol converter, in which case you can use any kind of
terminal type that is supported by the converter.  Since 3101
emulation is probably not supported by any Linux software,
you might tell your protocol converter to use VT100, and then
you run C-Kermit in your Xterm window and all will be well.

- Frank

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From: "amt.4243" <amt.4243@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Kermit and HP/UX
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:58:14 +0100
Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

i want to change parameters of n equipements in the same script.
i have no problem until the equpements respond to my request.
But when i have a "connection time-out" i go back to UNIX, so i can't
continue my script




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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Kermit and HP/UX
Date: 30 Nov 1999 15:01:38 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <820oh4$13v$1@wanadoo.fr>, amt.4243 <amt.4243@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
: i want to change parameters of n equipements in the same script.
: i have no problem until the equpements respond to my request.
: But when i have a "connection time-out" i go back to UNIX, so i can't
: continue my script
: 
You have to change your script to handle the "connection timeout".

I can't give you a more detailed answer without knowing more details about
the equipment, the connection, your script, etc.  But all the techniques
you need to write an effective script are presented in the manual, "Using
C-Kermit":

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html

Also see the sample scripts in the C-Kermit script library for examples:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html

- Frank

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From: Chris Henschen <chris@henschen.com>
Subject: Why does Cap Lock wants to always turn on
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 16:24:43 -0500
Organization: bright.net Ohio
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I've been having with the caplock always coming on, when I click outside
the kermit window session and return to it the caplock comes back on all
the time on some computers.  I'm using the latest verision of Kermit 95
v17.  Is there something I can modify in the script file for it to work?

Thanks
Chris Henschen
chris@henschen.com


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: Why does Cap Lock wants to always turn on
Date: 3 Dec 1999 22:46:10 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <3848351B.C6D11F8B@henschen.com>,
Chris Henschen  <chris@henschen.com> wrote:
: I've been having with the caplock always coming on, when I click outside
: the kermit window session and return to it the caplock comes back on all
: the time on some computers.  I'm using the latest verision of Kermit 95
: v17.  Is there something I can modify in the script file for it to work?
: 
: Thanks
: Chris Henschen
: chris@henschen.com
: 

>From the Bugs section of the Kermit 95 online manual:

 224. Caps Lock state can change when moving between windows (M)

 If you use the Caps Lock key to change the Caps Lock state from what
 it was when K95 was started, and then select another window, the Caps
 Lock state goes back to what it was when you entered the K95 window.
 Diagnosis: bug in CONAGENT.EXE.  Happens only in Windows 95, not in
 Windows NT.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: "Steve Baus" <steve@baus-systems.com>
Subject: Output command with USR modem
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:39:17 -0800
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I can not get an output command as part of a script to work:

output AT&F&.....

to work with a USR modem.  Any ideas why?

Thanks,
Steve



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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: Output command with USR modem
Date: 4 Dec 1999 04:37:17 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <s4grut61n20136@corp.supernews.com>,
Steve Baus <steve@baus-systems.com> wrote:
: I can not get an output command as part of a script to work:
: 
: output AT&F&.....
: 
: to work with a USR modem.  Any ideas why?

If you want an OUTPUT command to work prior to having a valid
connection to a host you must first

  SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF

Instead of issuing an OUTPUT command you should instead
be modifying the INIT string in your current modem definition
so that the string you desire is sent as part of the DIAL 
command.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: "Christian Jensen" <cejensen@winternet.com>
Subject: Changing directories/overwriting files
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:02:10 -0600
Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc.
Message-ID: <82bo81$l3d$1@blackice.winternet.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I am new to kermit, and am having trouble with a script that uploads files
from a CCI-DOS machine (running the newest MS-DOS kermit) to an HP-UX server
(running C-Kermit). I am attempting to upload files to one directory, cd to
another and upload files there, then cd to another and upload still more
files to this third directory. The code looks something like this:

cd /Net/go/dir1\13
send file1
output cd ..\13
output cd dir2\13
send file2
output cd ..\13
output cd dir3\13
send file3

Notice the three directories are all subdirctories off the same directory.
In my current script, the 'cd' commands all fail for some reason, and files
are all deposited in the same directory (the first one).

What's wrong with my code? Suggestions welcome.

Also, if a file is uploaded to a directory that already contains a file with
that name, rather than overwriting the original (which is what I usually
want), kermit renames the uploaded file by appending a ~1~ to the end of it.
How do I suppress this behavior?

I do have the kermit book, but have not found the answers to either of the
above in it.

Thanks!

--Chris

*****************************************
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Changing directories/overwriting files
Date: 4 Dec 1999 19:18:58 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <82bo81$l3d$1@blackice.winternet.com>,
Christian Jensen <cejensen@winternet.com> wrote:
: I am new to kermit, and am having trouble with a script that uploads files
: from a CCI-DOS machine (running the newest MS-DOS kermit) to an HP-UX server
: (running C-Kermit). I am attempting to upload files to one directory, cd to
: another and upload files there, then cd to another and upload still more
: files to this third directory. The code looks something like this:
: 
: cd /Net/go/dir1\13
: send file1
: output cd ..\13
: output cd dir2\13
: send file2
: output cd ..\13
: output cd dir3\13
: send file3
: 
: Notice the three directories are all subdirctories off the same directory.
: In my current script, the 'cd' commands all fail for some reason, and files
: are all deposited in the same directory (the first one).
: 
: What's wrong with my code? Suggestions welcome.
: 
Put C-Kermit in server mode, then change your script to:

  cd /Net/go/dir1\13
  send file1
  if fail stop 1 UPLOAD file1 failed
  remote cd ../dir2
  if fail stop 1 REMOTE CD dir2 failed
  send file2
  if fail stop 1 UPLOAD file2 failed
  remote cd ../dir3
  if fail stop 1 REMOTE CD dir2 failed
  send file3
  if fail stop 1 UPLOAD file3 failed

Maybe your original script failed because HP-UX Kermit was already in server
mode, and therefore needed client protocol commands rather than interactive
commands?

: Also, if a file is uploaded to a directory that already contains a file with
: that name, rather than overwriting the original (which is what I usually
: want), kermit renames the uploaded file by appending a ~1~ to the end of it.
: 
This is not the default behavior.  The default is to rename the existing file
and store the incoming file under the original name.

: How do I suppress this behavior?
: I do have the kermit book, but have not found the answers to either of the
: above in it.
: 
Explained on page 196.  ("File names, collision of" in the index.)

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Output command with USR modem
Date: 5 Dec 1999 21:08:47 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <s4ljctafqeg131@corp.supernews.com>,
Steve Baus <steve@baus-systems.com> wrote:
: The script file with the Output command is for the modem on the host.  In
: effect it is an init string.  This modem never does dial it simply waits for
: a call.  Here is the entire AT string:
: 
: output AT&F&C1&D2N0s0=1s37=9\13
: 
: USR says the way to do this is to:
: echo AT&... > com1
: Could not get it to work within the script.
: 
If you want to have Kermit answer a call, use the ANSWER command, rather
than OUTPUT or DIAL.

- Frank

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From: "Steve Baus" <steve@baus-systems.com>
Subject: Re: Output command with USR modem
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:43:56 -0800
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Jeffrey,

The script file with the Output command is for the modem on the host.  In
effect it is an init string.  This modem never does dial it simply waits for
a call.  Here is the entire AT string:

output AT&F&C1&D2N0s0=1s37=9\13

USR says the way to do this is to:
echo AT&... > com1
Could not get it to work within the script.

Steve


Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <82a5pt$fs0$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <s4grut61n20136@corp.supernews.com>,
>Steve Baus <steve@baus-systems.com> wrote:
>: I can not get an output command as part of a script to work:
>:
>: output AT&F&.....
>:
>: to work with a USR modem.  Any ideas why?
>
>If you want an OUTPUT command to work prior to having a valid
>connection to a host you must first
>
>  SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF
>
>Instead of issuing an OUTPUT command you should instead
>be modifying the INIT string in your current modem definition
>so that the string you desire is sent as part of the DIAL
>command.
>
>    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
>                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
>              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
>  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html *
kermit-support@kermit-project.org



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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: Output command with USR modem
Date: 6 Dec 1999 17:54:51 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <s4ntr7lgqeg40@corp.supernews.com>,
Steve Baus <steve@baus-systems.com> wrote:
: OK, I give up.  I have looked through my "Using MS Kermit with version 3.11
: included" and could not find anything on the Answer command.  Looked through
: my "Using C-Kermit" book and again nothing.
: 
: All I am trying to do is use a script file to setup a modem using AT
: commands so the modem auto answers, connects at 9600 etc.  Has worked on
: every modem I have tried except US Robotics.
: 


I don't think USR modems allow you to mix AT&F commands with other 
comands.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: "Steve Baus" <steve@baus-systems.com>
Subject: Re: Output command with USR modem
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:54:35 -0800
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Message-ID: <s4ntr7lgqeg40@corp.supernews.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

OK, I give up.  I have looked through my "Using MS Kermit with version 3.11
included" and could not find anything on the Answer command.  Looked through
my "Using C-Kermit" book and again nothing.

All I am trying to do is use a script file to setup a modem using AT
commands so the modem auto answers, connects at 9600 etc.  Has worked on
every modem I have tried except US Robotics.


Frank da Cruz wrote in message <82ek8v$980$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <s4ljctafqeg131@corp.supernews.com>,
>Steve Baus <steve@baus-systems.com> wrote:
>: The script file with the Output command is for the modem on the host.  In
>: effect it is an init string.  This modem never does dial it simply waits
for
>: a call.  Here is the entire AT string:
>:
>: output AT&F&C1&D2N0s0=1s37=9\13
>:
>: USR says the way to do this is to:
>: echo AT&... > com1
>: Could not get it to work within the script.
>:
>If you want to have Kermit answer a call, use the ANSWER command, rather
>than OUTPUT or DIAL.
>
>- Frank



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Output command with USR modem
Date: 6 Dec 1999 18:12:30 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <82guae$144$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <s4ntr7lgqeg40@corp.supernews.com>,
Steve Baus <steve@baus-systems.com> wrote:
: OK, I give up.  I have looked through my "Using MS Kermit with version 3.11
: included" and could not find anything on the Answer command.  Looked through
: my "Using C-Kermit" book and again nothing.
: 
Sorry -- you didn't mention which Kermit program you were using so I assumed
it was C-Kermit or K95.  You're right, MS-DOS Kermit does not have an ANSWER
command.  (But "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition -- the current one since 1997 --
does describe the ANSWER command; it's in the index, and the material is on
pp.73-74.

: All I am trying to do is use a script file to setup a modem using AT
: commands so the modem auto answers, connects at 9600 etc.  Has worked on
: every modem I have tried except US Robotics.
: 
As Jeff recommended, maybe you have to break up the commands in the init
string into individual AT commands.  It might also have something to do with
flow control.  As soon as you get the modem's attention, you should set up
mutual RTS/CTS flow control before doing anything else, to make sure the
commands you send to the modem are not lost or garbled.

Actually, a good starting point would be:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/scripts/mskermit/sport.kds

This is the updated MS-DOS Kermit US Robotics dialing script.  Maybe you
can just substitute ATS0=1 for the ATD command.

- Frank

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From: fake@toto.pas.net
Subject: Test
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 15:20:05 GMT
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Tis is only a test, i'm posting using only Kermit...

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.11 Ready for Testing
Date: 8 Dec 1999 01:56:44 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.11 is installed at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

and is ready for testing.  It was an long time coming because we REALLY
want this one to be the final Beta before release.  The biggest additions
are:

 . New "Open Source Friendly" license.
 . Pseudoterminal control (UNIX only) for SSH and tn3270 connections, etc.
 . SSL/TLS security (USA and Canada only).
 . HTTP client commands.

And here is what else is new (the top items in each category are the most
significant):

Internet Kermit Service Daemon:
 . Now available in Kermit 95 (but not released yet).
 . IKSD active-sessions database and display module.
 . Streamlined IKSD server-mode operation.
 . Additional management controls.
 . LOGIN and LOGOUT commands added to client for logging into IKSD.

Security (USA and Canada only):
 . Kerberos V support now compatible with MIT Version 1.1 release.
 . Secure Remote Password support now compatible with release 1.5.0.
 . SSL/TLS support finalized (details below)

Character sets:
 , New support for KOI8-R and KOI8-U as file and terminal character-set.
 . Full conversion between Japanese character sets and Unicode.
 . Better detection of invalid UTF-8 sequences.
 . Fixed some translations that were broken since last July.
 . Corrected ISO-8859-7/Unicode (Greek) mappings.
 
File Transfer:
 . SEND /ARRAY:\&a[] transfers the contents of an array.
 . Autodownload "pass-through" problem fixed.
 . Big performance improvements on certain kinds of connections.
 . Fixed SEND /TEXT and SEND /BINARY to work as documented.
 . Fixed server side of GET /RECURSIVE to not always switch into binary mode.
 . Explicit control for VMS file version numbers.
 . RELIABLE and CLEARCHANNEL status added to STATISTICS display.
 . ROBUST macro now also sets RELIABLE and CLEARCHANNEL appropriately.
 . SET CLEARCHANNEL AUTO fixed.
 . SET F-ACK-PATH { ON,OFF } for adjusting to MUMPS Kermit.
 . Avoidance of creation of multiple backup suffixes when receiving.
 . Stats for streaming downloads fixed.
 . Better filename transformation eliminates '.' in directory segments.
 . TRANSMIT completion status and error messages fixed.

Client/Server:
 . REMOTE SET FILE CHARACTER-SET <name> added.
 . REMOTE commands can now be longer than 84 characters.
 . Fix to long-standing problem in which REMOTE commands might print garbage.
 . Certain REMOTE commands that were not setting SUCCESS on success now do.

Scripting:
 . The INPUT command can now match regular expressions (patterns).
 . New ON_CLOSE macro traps connection loss.
 . New ON_OPEN macro traps connection establishment.
 . WAIT <time> FILE <filename> <event> waits for a file event.
 . New "compact substring" notation.
 . COPY /TOB64 and /FROMB64 to do Base-64 conversion.
 . Relaxed & more-consistent parsing of IF-ELSE, FOR, and SWITCH statements.
 . FOPEN /APPEND fixed to work also for nonexistent files.
 . \v(ctty) name of job's controllign terminal.
 . \v(filename) behavior more consistent.
 . \v(kbchar) keyboard character that interrupted PAUSE, SLEEP, WAIT...
 . \fstripb(s) strips enclosing braces, brackets, or parens from s.
 . \fhex2n(h) converts hex number h to decimal number (inverse of \fn2hex()).
 . \fhex2ip(h) converts hex string h to dotted decimal IP address.
 . \fip2hex(s) converts dotted decimal IP address s to hex string.
 . \fradix(n,r1,r2) converts number n from radix r1 to radix r2, radices 2-36.

Networks:
 . SET TELNET DEBUG { ON, OFF } for debugging of Telnet option negotiation.
 . /WAIT and /NOWAIT switches added for TELNET.
 . Improved detection of connection loss.
 . Improved handling of Telnet negotiation timeouts.
 . Don't switch to CLEARCHANNEL automatically on RLOGIN connections.
 . OPEN HOST now accepted as a synonym for SET HOST.

Modems and dialing:
 . New syntax for DIAL command allows specification of a list of numbers.
 . New modem type: Rockwell V.90.
 . Better error diagnosis in certain odd circumunstances.
 . Better defenses against being stuck in close() of serial device.
 . HANGUP prior to first DIAL fixed.
 . OPEN LINE now accepted as a synonym for SET LINE.
 . Connection log phone number now contains no spaces.
 . Misinterpretation of CARRIER message from Rockwell modems fixed.

UNIX:
 . REDIRECT /EXEC <command> allows C-Kermit to be your PPP dialer.
 . Wildcard expansion problems fixed.
 . Spurious "write access to UUCP lockfile directory denied" errors fixed.
 . A native form of line-locking was added for QNX.
 . Use new UUCP lockfile API on FreeBSD.
 . Fixed problem with modem interaction on NetBSD.
 . Timezone/DST computation fixed in BSDI.

VMS:
 . SET BACKGROUND OFF enables echoing of prompts and commands to batch log.
 . Fixed reading of image data in non-batch DCL command procedures.
 . "?" in a directory field now lists only directories.
 . DELETE /ASK and /LIST added.
 . Various problems with DELETE fixed.
 . Numerous filespec parsing improvements.
 . DECC builds now use /UNSIGNED_CHAR.
 . Fixed chopping off last char of filename obtained from logical name.
 . Fixed spurious interception of escape sequences in CONNECT mode.
 . MANUAL command now restores normal echoing.

General:
 . New ability to see invisible keywords with "?".
 . Certain obscure pattern-matching problems fixed.
 . Improved help and error messages.
 . PURGE /RECURSIVE added.
 . Problem with DIRECTORY command and unreadable files fixed.
 . UNIX makefile target now identified in SHOW FEATURES.
 . Better handling of command files whose last lines lack terminators.

Builds:
 . New Mac OS/X target.
 . New OpenStep 4.2 target.
 . New LinuxPPP target.
 . New targets for Trusted HP-UX.
 . Linux target updated for ncurses 5.0.
 . Consolidated NetBSD targets.
 . 16-bit QNX version resurrected.
 . Numerous syntax adjustments for picky compilers.
 . Protocol module reorganized to keep some compilers from blowing up.
 . Better grouping of Unix makefile targets; antique targets moved to end.

NEW LICENSE

The new C-Kermit license (FIRST DRAFT!) is in the file COPYING.TXT and also
seen when you type "version" or "copyright" at the C-Kermit> prompt.  The
intention is to allow C-Kermit to be included with "free" operating systems
like Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, etc, in the regular OS distribution.

PSEUDOTERMINAL CONTROL

This new feature, available only in UNIX (most, but not all, UNIX versions)
allows C-Kermit to control any program that you can run at your terminal.
Unlike the PIPE command (introduced in earlier Betas), which was restricted
to those commands or programs that use standard input and output, the new
PTY and SET HOST /PTY commands can control any text-mode program at all.
This allows C-Kermit to:

 . Make connections it could not make before -- ssh, tn3270, and so on --
   with full file-transfer, character-set translation, and scripting
   available, just as on its own built-in connection types.

 . Script local programs such as ftp, your mail client, lynx, even (with
   sufficient ingenuity) editors like Emacs and Vi, not to mention the
   many command system-administration tools.

In short, C-Kermit can now take advantage of the capabilities of other
programs in a way that can be fully automated, without having to code these
capabilities into C-Kermit itself.  In the case of ssh, for example, this
allows C-Kermit to make "secure" connections without having to incorporate
the patented, export-restricted SSH code or algorithms.

SECURITY

The experimental SSL/TLS features have been finalized after months of
discussions with IETF working groups, submission of Internet Drafts, and
cooperation with other workers in this area:

 . Uses OpenSSL 0.9.4 to provide SSL and TLS protocol.
 . Supports SSLv3 and TLSv1 connections for use with HTTP script commands.
 . Implements the IETF TN3270 Working Groups' Telnet START_TLS 
   option for negotiating secure telnet connections.  START_TLS
   may be used to provide an encrypted channel over which 
   Kerberos, Secure Remote Password, and other authentication
   methods may then be used for end user authentication.
 . Implements Tim Hudson's Telnet AUTH SSL suboption.
 . Supports both client and server side protocols.
 . Server supports client certificate verification and revocation.
   certificate to userid mapping functionality may be customized.
 . ~/.tlslogin files may be used to provide automated login to accounts.
 . Client supports server certificate verification and revocation.
 . Kermit's START_TLS support is fully compatible with the Unix Telnet[d]
   START_TLS implementation developed by Peter Runestig which is available 
   for download at ftp://ftp.runestig.com/pub/starttls/.

SSL/TLS and other security options are available only in the USA and Canada
due to USA export law.  To request the security modules, send email to
kermit-support@columbia.edu.

HTTP CLIENT OPERATIONS

C-Kermit can now contact and interact directly with Web servers using HTTP
1.0 protocol.  Now you can use C-Kermit's automation features to manage
websites; get files, put files, delete files, get and examine indexes or
other information, post forms-filling data, and so on, and this can be done
in a secure manner by using SSL/TLS (available only in the USA and Canada).

DOCUMENTATION, ETC

All the new features are documented in the ckermit2.txt file, plus:

 . iksd.txt, now including complete information about the IKSD database.
 . security.txt, which is current with Beta.11.
 . telnet.txt, ditto.

Thanks to those who sent in binaries, bug reports, and suggestions so far.
If you can can do the same for Beta.11, I'd appreciate it!  And of course
report any problems to:

  kermit-support@columbia.edu

Filenames of new binaries start with ck?196b11 (where ? is u, v, d, etc).

Thanks!

- Frank

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(previously posted to the old seder mailing list,
now sed users.)

The following sed script I've sometimes found usefull
to strip ANSI control sequences out of C-Kermit
log files if needed.  Maybe there is some better way
to do this, and I don't claim this to be perfect,
but it seems to work about as good as a DOS program
I tried out for the purpose, and is much more portable.

#!/bin/sed -f
#
#    ANSI2TXT.SED
#
#   sed script to strip out ANSI escape sequences
#
#      Dallas E. Legan II 04/12/98
#      dallasii@kincyb.com
#      leganii@surfree.com
#
#
#      based on ANSI escape sequences listed in
#      'Writing DR DOS Batch Files' by Ronnie Richardson
#      Windcrest/McGraw-Hill, (c) 1993, pages 169-170
#
#
#     Replace: 'ESC' with ASCII 27, the 'escape character'
#              ^M, ^@, ^H with their control characters
#                         on the last line
#              for a functional script.
#
:punct
#  worked with GNU sed 2.05 for OS/2:
#  s/ESC[[=?c]/ESC/g
#  
#  worked with GNU sed 3.02 with Debian 2.1 Linux:
s/ESC[[=?c]/ESC/g
t punct

s/ESC[0-9r]*[:;]/ESC/g
t punct

s/ESC[0-9fH]*[A-Za-z]//g
s/[ESC^A^H]//g



Regards, Dallas E. Legan 
         dallasii
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                  kincyb
                        .
                          com
         leganii
                @
                 surfree
                        .
                         com



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(sent to comp.protocols.kermit.misc, scoug-irc,
scoug-programming)

Below are some macros that are a first stab at writing
a simple IRC client as a Kermit script.
An envisioned use was as way to get fast help
when trying to recover from a system disaster
and running off of removable media or a 
maintenance partition.
I don't have access to my Warp system right now,
so I haven't spent to much more time on this,
because there seems to be a problem with getting
the EOLs properly interpreted by the Debian Linux 2.1
terminal properly, that didn't seem to show up with 
the first few stabs at this with Kermit/2,
where the terminal emulation is supplied by Kermit.
These hint at a possible use for a 
'set terminal nl-display crlf'
command. (or maybe someone more knowledgable about
UNIX/c-kermit can suggest an stty/setterm option to solve
the problem.)
Also, it should be possible to have automatic
ping/pong and some CTCP responses using
the 'trigger' feature of recent Kermit versions.


define self dallasK
define server irc.ca.webbnet.org
define iport 6667
define channel {#scoug}

define init set duplex half,  -
     set terminal newline-mode on,
;  run stty onlret


define link set host \m(server):\m(iport) /no-telnet-init ,  init, 
define nick    output nick \m(self)\13,
define greet output user leganii \v(ipaddress) \m(server) :Dallas (PHX)\13,
define join  output join \m(channel) \m(self)\13,
define pong  output pong \m(nick)\13,
define say   output privmsg \m(channel) : \%*\13,
#  link nick greet join  and you're connected to a chat channel



What I've had some success with using C-kermit is
to use the 'set network command' feature:

set network command
set host irc ......

and you can connect if the irc client uses termcap
for console i/o.
ircII works for this fine, but a better division of labor
seemed to be combining kermit with tinyirc, which is less
then 1/10th the size of ircii, at 20K.
The most recent versions of tinyirc use curses,
but using the Lycos ftp search engine an earlier
version that could be compiled using termcap was easily
found.
Toward the front of the C listing, add

#include <termcap.h>

and for Linux, the posix entry in the make file was changed 
from:


     $(CC) -O -DUSETERMIOS -o tinyirc tinyirc.c -ltermcap

to:

     $(CC) -O -DUSETERMIOS -DDO_CTCP -o tinyirc tinyirc.c -lcurses

Apparently, now the termcap.h include file is basicly a
interface to curses to provide support for the pre-curses
approach, hence the seeming contradiction of using 
TERMIOS   and the curses library simultaneously.
(I haven't tried this yet, but the 'gnu' choice
in the Makefile might work with the OS/2 EMX compiler
(if someone hasn't already done it) and DJGPP in DOS)
While I was at it I grafted the CTCP ping response from
the more recent versions of tinyirc into this version.
Now with 'set host tinyirc dallas irc.webbnet.org #scoug'
and connect, you go to the tinyirc screen,
^\-c returns to the kermit command line.
'cls' frees up the screen from the tinyirc settings
when at the Kermit command line, and ^W^W resets
the tinyirc status line when in kermit connect/terminal
session mode.
Kermit can supply logging and scripting capabilities,
while tinyirc essentially acts as a plugin for Kermit,
providing a 'tunnel' to IRC  handling the IRC specific
aspects of the communication connection.
One possible use that came to mind was to deliver a 
prepared 'speech' over IRC by setting the kermit pacing
to a reasonable interval and transmitting a file
to the chat channel (if you're working
in a full screen environment you can't just dump
the clipboard into your irc client input .).
(Just what the world doesn't need - a new media
for politicians to deliver their blather over! :-) )


I tried putting Lynx under similar control, 
and the video output came through ok, but apparently
the keyboard input is nonstandard and chokes, so it looks 
like the simplest thing to do might be to try using
w3.org's line mode browser, but then you can telnet into
one of those anyway....
(But I still like turning things upside down and having
a web browser plugin for my telnet client!)

Thanks to Nathan Laredo for writing tinyirc,
and the Kermit people at Columbia U. for adding the 
intresting new capabilities to Kermit, and 
Sector & crew at irc.webbnet.org for putting up  with 
my ravings.




Regards, Dallas E. Legan 
         dallasii
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                  kincyb
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                          com
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Frank da Cruz wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> And here is what else is new (the top items in each category are the most
> significant):
> 
> <snip>
>
> UNIX:
>  . REDIRECT /EXEC <command> allows C-Kermit to be your PPP dialer.
>  . Wildcard expansion problems fixed.
>  . Spurious "write access to UUCP lockfile directory denied" errors fixed.
>  . A native form of line-locking was added for QNX.
>  . Use new UUCP lockfile API on FreeBSD.
>  . Fixed problem with modem interaction on NetBSD.
>  . Timezone/DST computation fixed in BSDI.

Unfortunately the ISP that was running BSDI on it's shell account server
has
switched from BSDI to FreeBSD so I can't verify that the timestamp
problem
is fixed for me in BSDI, but I can verify that the same problem with the
exact
same symptoms existed in the FreeBSD 3.0 Kermits through beta 10 and is
fixed
in cku196b11.freebsd3c-i386-3.3.

Although I am no longer involved in software support professionally, I
was
for many years both a provider of support to a college computer center
and a recipient of support from vendors and I've never seen better
support
of a product over the long haul than that provided by the Kermit
project,
and this for a product that in most versions is provided free of charge.
You folks do an amazing job.  Thanks.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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(sent to comp.protocols.kermit.misc,
plug-discuss@plug.phoenix.az.us)

Below is an example from /etc/syslog.conf showing how
to send system logging to a virtual console as 
Jim Dennis (LinuxCare/Linux Gazette) described in his
talk while at PLUG (Phoenix, AZ, USA) last month.
Just uncomment the 'daemon...' parts and set the 
/dev/ttyX part to point to the desired virtual console
you want to watch the system logging on.

#
# I like to have messages displayed on the console, but only on a virtual
# console I usually leave idle.
#
#daemon,mail.*;\
#     news.=crit;news.=err;news.=notice;\
#     *.=debug;*.=info;\
#     *.=notice;*.=warn     /dev/tty8

#    to this:

daemon,mail.*;\
     news.=crit;news.=err;news.=notice;\
     *.=debug;*.=info;\
     *.=notice;*.=warn     /dev/tty48

I recently wanted to do the same thing with my C-Kermit
session logging.  (this could apply to any program that
keeps some kind of log, but this was the particular program
I wanted to do this with.)  Trying to do this directly
to one of the normal virtual consoles, from a non-root
userid ran into all kinds of permission problems.
I then tried starting one of the other programs Jim Dennis
was enthusiastic about, 'screen', and tried sending the 
kermit logging to it and again ran into permission problems.
A method I found that did work was to set up a link to
one of the screen supported virtual links:

$ln /dev/ttya2  portal

# start screen

$screen
$^A ^C      # activating ttya1
$^A ^C      # activating ttya2
$^A  1      # go to console #1 (ttya1)

$kermit     # starting c-kermit 

C-kermit> log session portal         # to simply send logging to ttya2

             or

 log session {| tee portal | tee session.raw | ansi2text.sed > session.txt}

to get fancy with it.
(At least this worked on my Debian 2,1 system. :-) )
ttya2 now keeps a pristine copy of the most recent screenfull of 
connect mode interaction, ungrunged by trips from the connect terminal 
session to the kermit command line and back.

The documentation for 'screen' prominently warns about problems using
screen with Kermit (and z-modem) transfers since the screen escape 
character, ^A is the same as the kermit packet framing character ^A.
More recent versions of C-Kermit have the capability to change
the start of frame character, as is documented in 
"Using C-Kermit", 2nd edition on pages 217-219, using
the 

set {send,receive} start-of-packet ^<some character>

command, so this should be a minor inconvenience for
serious use.

One other thing I do is use to the little documented 'tty'
command, in my bash startup scripts, to capture the 
console in use and stick in  my prompt so it's easier to
know which one I'm in.
($console = `tty`)

Much thanks to Jim Dennis for his willingness to share
his time, knowledge and enthusiasm.  I met him again at 
Sky Harbor airport the Friday after he spoke at ASU,
and he was graciously answering questions almost up
to the moment of boarding his plane!

Regards, Dallas E. Legan 
         dallasii
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                  kincyb
                        .
                          com
         leganii
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Subject: Re: kermit / tinyirc notes
Date: 8 Dec 1999 14:47:31 GMT
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In article <TCPSMTP.19.12.8.0.30.10.2375661496.5936661@kincyb.com>,
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: ...
: (sent to comp.protocols.kermit.misc, scoug-irc, scoug-programming)
: 
Thanks for your fascinating postings (C-Kermit and screen; stripping
ANSI sequences from session logs; IRC script...) -- it's always a treat
to see Kermit put to creative uses.  Version 7.0 Beta.11, announced
yesterday, should add a few new tools to your bag of tricks.

: I don't have access to my Warp system right now, so I
: haven't spent to much more time on this, because there
: seems to be a problem with getting the EOLs properly
: interpreted by the Debian Linux 2.1 terminal properly,
: that didn't seem to show up with the first few stabs at
: this with Kermit/2, where the terminal emulation is
: supplied by Kermit.  These hint at a possible use for a
: 'set terminal nl-display crlf' command. (or maybe
: someone more knowledgable about UNIX/c-kermit can
: suggest an stty/setterm option to solve the problem.)
:
The problem, I think, comes from SET HOST /COMMAND, which, although
quite portable, has the drawback that it bypasses the terminal driver.

C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.11 gives you an alternative, SET HOST /PTY, which does
the same thing as SET HOST /COMMAND, but uses a pseudoterminal rather
than just a direct pipe to the application; this way you get the
services of the terminal driver AND you can run applications (like ssh)
that don't use standard i/o.

The drawback of the PTY approach is that it is decidedly UN-portable.
We have it working in:

   . 4.4BSD, including BSDI/OS, NetBSD, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD
   . AIX 4.1 and later
   . DG/UX 5.4R4.11
   . Digital UNIX 3.2 and 4.0 (incl Tru64)
   . HP-UX 9.00 and later
   . IRIX 6.0 and later
   . Linux
   . NeXTSTEP 3.x
   . QNX 4.25 (except PTY process termination not detected)
   . SCO OSR5.0.5
   . SCO Unixware 7
   . SINIX 5.42
   . Solaris 2.x and 7
   . SunOS 4.1.3

: One possible use that came to mind was to deliver a
: prepared 'speech' over IRC by setting the kermit pacing
: to a reasonable interval and transmitting a file to the
: chat channel (if you're working in a full screen
: environment you can't just dump the clipboard into your
: irc client input .).  (Just what the world doesn't need
: - a new media for politicians to deliver their blather
: over! :-) )
: 
Or for you to give yourself an alibi while committing the perfect crime :-)

: I tried putting Lynx under similar control, and the
: video output came through ok, but apparently the
: keyboard input is nonstandard and chokes...
:
The pseudoterminal approach should help here too.

: Thanks to Nathan Laredo for writing tinyirc, and the
: Kermit people at Columbia U. for adding the intresting
: new capabilities to Kermit, and Sector & crew at
: irc.webbnet.org for putting up with my ravings.
: 
: 
Keep them up!  Let us know how "set host /pty" affects this application.

- Frank

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It looks like the timing of my post on irc was exactly
100% wrong.  With the announcement of the new Beta
of C-Kermit, it looks like bothering to dig up
an older version of tinyirc is not needed, C-Kermit should be
able to work with the latest versions, using pty.
Nonetheless, it seems like a good matchup to me! :-)
I'll try them out together ASAP.



Regards, Dallas E. Legan 
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(sent to comp.protocols.kermit.misc,
discuss@plug.phoenix.az.us)

I wanted to correct the below mistake, and appologize for
the rambling nature of my post, it was getting late:


$screen
$^A ^C      # activating ttya1
$^A ^C      # activating ttya2
$^A  1      # go to console #1 (ttya1)

Should read:

$screen
$^A  C      # activating ttya1
$^A  C      # activating ttya2
$^A  1      # go to console #1 (ttya1)


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I am trying to run kermit server(MS-DOS version) on an embedded system(DOS
6.22) that does not have a full keyboard. I would like to have the ESCAPE
key exit the server, but my only options appear to be CTRL-C or C.  Any
suggestions? Thanks, - Fred



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In article <82qmai$rgv$1@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com>, "Fred W." <fwestphal@compuserve.com> writes:
> I am trying to run kermit server(MS-DOS version) on an embedded system(DOS
> 6.22) that does not have a full keyboard. I would like to have the ESCAPE
> key exit the server, but my only options appear to be CTRL-C or C.  Any
> suggestions? Thanks, - Fred
--------
	Those are the only options to exit Kermit protocol server mode.
Changing the source code is an option, but it would be a little messy
because the keystroke handling involved is buried deeply and shared
with other controls.
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: generate umlaut over telnet?
Date: 10 Dec 1999 15:00:26 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <1999Dec10.091814.1@eisner>,
Bob Koehler <koehler@eisner.decus.org> wrote:
: 
:  I've noticed that I can generate the letter ü (u with an umlaut,
:  decimal 252) locally with no trouble (compose u "), but not over a
:  telnet connection.  The only real difference I can see is that the
:  local LAT connection is eightbit, and the remote telnet connection is
:  not.
: 
:  I know I can use specins in EDT to get this character into a file,
:  but is there any way to generate this character over a telnet
:  connection when I'm not using an editor?  So far all attemtps have
:  simply rendered |.
: 
:  It doens't have to return legibly over telnet (the one I inserted above
:  echos now in TPU as a reverse question mark over telnet, but when I'm at
:  DCL it echos correctly from TYPE'ing a file over telnet).
: 
It depends on your Telnet client.  I can speak for C-Kermit; if you tell
it to "set command bytesize 8" and "set terminal bytesize 8", this gives
a clear 8-bit path between your keyboard and screen and the remote host,
and you should be able to see your Umlaute.  (In C-Kermit 7.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

the shortcut command, "eight", makes all data paths be 8-bit.)

Furthermore, if the remote host uses a different character set than your
terminal or emulator, you can have C-Kermit convert for you.  For example,
if your local VMS character set is DEC Multinational, and the remote
computer uses (say) HP-Roman8, just tell C-Kermit to:

  set terminal character-set hp-roman8 dec-multinational

and then you'll have the right stuff on both ends, and it will look right
no matter which end you view it from.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: generate umlaut over telnet?
Organization: HST Flight Software
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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:50:04 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <82r4ia$a8b$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <1999Dec10.091814.1@eisner>,
>
> It depends on your Telnet client.  I can speak for C-Kermit; if you tell
> it to "set command bytesize 8" and "set terminal bytesize 8", this gives
> a clear 8-bit path between your keyboard and screen and the remote host,
> and you should be able to see your Umlaute.  (In C-Kermit 7.0:
> 

TELNET is defined as a 7-bit protocol.  Is Kermit encoding to get around
this, or just assuming that the 8 bits will go across correctly?  I have
no control over the TELNET server code, it appears to be Multinet
4.0(118), nor over the equipment in between.

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Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil Group
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Subject: Re: generate umlaut over telnet?
Date: 10 Dec 1999 21:23:19 GMT
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In article <82rqe8$7u2$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>,
Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:
: In article <1999Dec10.155004.1@eisner>,
: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:
: |> 
: |> TELNET is defined as a 7-bit protocol. 
: 
: Is this still true??  I haven't looked at the RFC, but the man page under
: FreeBSD seems to assume that 8 bit is possible.
: 
I forgot to mention that even if it were true (and it isn't) there are still
ways to get your Umlaute across 7-bit connections:

 1. Use German ISO 646 as your 7-bit character set instead of ASCII.
    Suppose, for example, you use DEC MCS on your local VMS computer;
    then tell VMS C-Kermit to "set terminal character-set german dec-m".

 2. Use ISO 2022 character-set designation and invocation rules, the
    most obvious rule in this case the one that uses SO and SI to switch
    between GL and GR.  Of course this requires something on the far end
    to do the switching; if you have such a service that you can connect
    to, C-Kermit handles the SO/SO switching on the client end, just as
    a VT-220 or higher would.

But again, none of this should ever be necessary.  Without actually going
back and looking at the RFCs, I believe that the NVT definition does not
restrict you to 7 bits, it only guarantees that you can use 7 bits, but
does not guarantee you can use 8.

- Frank

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From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Subject: Re: generate umlaut over telnet?
Date: 10 Dec 1999 21:13:44 GMT
Organization: Computing Sciences Department, University of Scranton
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In article <1999Dec10.155004.1@eisner>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:
|> 
|> TELNET is defined as a 7-bit protocol. 

Is this still true??  I haven't looked at the RFC, but the man page under
FreeBSD seems to assume that 8 bit is possible.

from the manpage:
------------

TELNET(1)               FreeBSD General Commands Manual              TELNET(1)

NAME
     telnet - user interface to the TELNET protocol

SYNOPSIS
     telnet [-8EFKLacdfrx] [-S tos] [-X authtype] [-e escapechar] [-k realm]
     [-l user] [-n tracefile] [host [port]]

DESCRIPTION
     The telnet command is used to communicate with another host using the
     TELNET protocol.  If telnet is invoked without the host argument, it en-
     ters command mode, indicated by its prompt (telnet>). In this mode, it
     accepts and executes the commands listed below.  If it is invoked with
     arguments, it performs an open command with those arguments.

     Options:

     -8      Specifies an 8-bit data path.  This causes an attempt to negoti-
             ate the TELNET BINARY option on both input and output.

--------------

bill

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: generate umlaut over telnet?
Date: 10 Dec 1999 21:11:12 GMT
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In article <1999Dec10.155004.1@eisner>,
Bob Koehler <koehler@eisner.decus.org> wrote:
: In article <82r4ia$a8b$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
: > In article <1999Dec10.091814.1@eisner>,
: >
: > It depends on your Telnet client.  I can speak for C-Kermit; if you tell
: > it to "set command bytesize 8" and "set terminal bytesize 8", this gives
: > a clear 8-bit path between your keyboard and screen and the remote host,
: > and you should be able to see your Umlaute.  (In C-Kermit 7.0:
: 
: TELNET is defined as a 7-bit protocol.  Is Kermit encoding to get around
: this, or just assuming that the 8 bits will go across correctly?  I have
: no control over the TELNET server code, it appears to be Multinet
: 4.0(118), nor over the equipment in between.
: 
Most telnet servers allow 8 bits.  Most clients use 7 by default, and some
of them give no option to use 8.  Kermit uses 7 by default but lets you use
eight, and if the server supports 8-bit data, you're in business.  If it
doesn't, you can force the connection into binary mode, which by definition
allows 8-bit data.  But I haven't yet encountered a situation where this is
necessary.

It works, really; I use 8-bit Telnet connections to work with text in
Spanish, German, even Russian all the time -- with a variety of hosts on
the far end -- VMS, UNIX, DG, ...  Kermit knows Telnet protocol and
escaping rules.

Another choice, if you don't trust Telnet, is Rlogin.  C-Kermit 7.0 is also
an Rlogin client.  But that requires privileges because in VMS and UNIX,
the Rlogin socket is privileged.

- Frank

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: generate umlaut over telnet?
Date: 10 Dec 1999 21:40:19 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <1999Dec10.155004.1@eisner>,
Bob Koehler <koehler@eisner.decus.org> wrote:
: In article <82r4ia$a8b$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
: > In article <1999Dec10.091814.1@eisner>,
: >
: > It depends on your Telnet client.  I can speak for C-Kermit; if you tell
: > it to "set command bytesize 8" and "set terminal bytesize 8", this gives
: > a clear 8-bit path between your keyboard and screen and the remote host,
: > and you should be able to see your Umlaute.  (In C-Kermit 7.0:
: > 
: 
: TELNET is defined as a 7-bit protocol.  Is Kermit encoding to get around
: this, or just assuming that the 8 bits will go across correctly?  I have
: no control over the TELNET server code, it appears to be Multinet
: 4.0(118), nor over the equipment in between.

Telnet is not a 7-bit protocol.  Telnet requires an 8-bit channel 
to send telnet commands.  What the telnet specification states is that 
the host and client are not required to be 8-bit devices.  That means 
that if MultiNET is placing an arbitrary 7-bit restriction on their
telnet server a bug report should be filed.

The other aspect of the Telnet protocol is the Telnet BINARY Option.
When the Telnet BINARY option is negotiated in addition to disabling
the NVT CR processing an 8-bit channel is guarranteed in the negotiated 
direction.



    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: "Joe H. Gallagher" <dtrwiz@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: K95 script/Windows set up problem???
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 10:15:26 -0500
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

With K95 (Version 1.1.11), when I enter

	K95> set port com2
	K95> set baud 19200
	K95> set carrier off
	K95> connect

	atdt some-number<cr>

an interactive session works just fine.  However, if I enter

	K95> set port com2
	K95> set baud 19200
	K95> set carrier off
	K95> output atdt\13

or enter any other OUTPUT script command, nothing gets to 
the modem.  And, of course, INPUT script commands fail
because nothing ever gets to the modem to cause it to
respond with OK, CONNECT, BUSY, or whatever.

I suspect that something is not set up correctly with
respect to the Windows system, the modem hardware,  
the modem driver, the device managers, etc.  [I am sure
that my K95 distribution media is 'good' as I have
tested it on several other systems where it works 
perfectly!]

I would appreciate any pointers or advice about what
is the problem with the K95 environment which is causing
this symptom.

Joe H. Gallagher

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: K95 script/Windows set up problem???
Date: 12 Dec 1999 15:53:17 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <830gdd$n8r$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <3853BBFA.6A02@ix.netcom.com>,
Joe H. Gallagher <dtrwiz@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: With K95 (Version 1.1.11), when I enter
: 
: I would appreciate any pointers or advice about what
: is the problem with the K95 environment which is causing
: this symptom.

More than likely your problem is the version of K95 you are running.
The current version is 1.1.17.  1.1.11 is several years old.  Please
update to the current version via the free patches available from

  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95patch.html

If you still have problems, send e-mail with your bug report to

  kermit-support@columbia.edu

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: w_sykes@my-deja.com
Subject: k95 output doesn't!!
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:15:22 GMT
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Hey !

Prepared for a stupid newbie question ?  I have an extremely simple
script, like so:

telnet 192.168.2.20
pause 3
output wonk\13
pause
output elvis\13

I know that I should be using inputs to identify the usename and
password prompts, but I removed them to try to determing the source of
the problem.  Well, this script happily connects to the host in
question, and then.... does nothing.  It never outputs the first text
string, "wonk".  If I control-c the session, it appears to want to try
to send the data after the session is closed.  It also does not work
without the pause (I tried removing it.).  With input statements in
place, same problem,  the script does not appear to ever get to the
point that it even evaluates the input. Just a connect, and then... a
coma.  Ideas ?  Am I connecting the wrong way ?

I am using k95, fully patched, including security on win98.  Kermit ini
is totally vanilla, nothing in custom.  Help!

                                          -will


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: k95 output doesn't!!
Date: 12 Dec 1999 21:26:33 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <830s88$p2j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  <w_sykes@my-deja.com> wrote:
: Hey !
: 
: Prepared for a stupid newbie question ?  I have an extremely simple
: script, like so:
: 
: telnet 192.168.2.20
: pause 3
: output wonk\13
: pause
: output elvis\13
: 
: I know that I should be using inputs to identify the usename and
: password prompts, but I removed them to try to determing the source of
: the problem.  Well, this script happily connects to the host in
: question, and then.... does nothing.  It never outputs the first text
: string, "wonk".  If I control-c the session, it appears to want to try
: to send the data after the session is closed.  It also does not work
: without the pause (I tried removing it.).  With input statements in
: place, same problem,  the script does not appear to ever get to the
: point that it even evaluates the input. Just a connect, and then... a
: coma.  Ideas ?  Am I connecting the wrong way ?
: 
: I am using k95, fully patched, including security on win98.  Kermit ini
: is totally vanilla, nothing in custom.  Help!

You have two problems:

(1) the "telnet" command immediately places you into CONNECT mode.
    if you want to script the connection you cannot use the TELNET 
    command.  You must use 

    SET HOST 192.168.2.20

    And you should check the result for success or failure.

(2) The PAUSE commands do not process any incoming data including the
    telnet negotiations.  You must use INPUT commands.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: w_sykes@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: k95 output doesn't!!
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:20:45 GMT
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu



Thanks Jeff.  That worked.  Anyplace I might have read that ?  I
have the Usking C Kermit book, bit didn't see any examples in the book
that specifically pertain to telnet.... any other examples out there ?

>     Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and
OS/2
>                  The Kermit Project * Columbia University
>               612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
>   http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html *
kermit-support@kermit-project.org
>


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Subject: Re: k95 output doesn't!!
Date: 13 Dec 1999 01:42:58 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <831e4q$50v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  <w_sykes@my-deja.com> wrote:
: Thanks Jeff.  That worked.  Anyplace I might have read that ?  I
: have the Usking C Kermit book, bit didn't see any examples in the book
: that specifically pertain to telnet.... any other examples out there ?

The TELNET command description on page 124 states that the TELNET command
enters CONNECT mode automatically.  The text on page 419 discusses why
the CONNECT command can not be used to automate the sending of text
to the host.

The use of the CONNECT (or commands that imply CONNECT) in scripts
is the most commonly made mistake in Kermit Script programming.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: C-Kermit and FreeBSD
Date: 14 Dec 1999 14:26:50 GMT
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From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch)
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:

> C-Kermit 7.0 Beta 11 was announced yesterday; this should be the last
> Beta before the final release.
[...]

> Also note the change in the license, which is specifically designed
> to allow C-Kermit to be included in Open Source *BSD and Linux
> distributions.

Due to this license change, we can now proudly announce that the next
version of FreeBSD (3.4), which is currently being prepared, will be
the very first one that now also ships a Kermit binary package.
(Hopefully, it's not yet released...)

Thanks go to Frank for being very cooperative here.

(Posting restricted to the FreeBSD group.  I don't know how and when
the other BSDs might pick this up.)
-- 
cheers, J"org

joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE
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From: a-mullen@uiuc.edu (Anthony J Mullen)
Subject: Changing the default login name
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:10:12 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Message-ID: <385682e8.2175244@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I am using Kermit 95 1.1.17 to connect to VMS and Unix servers.  I
have a different login name to the servers than I do to my PC network.
The variables that have my username are:
krb4principal, krb5principal, and userid.

When I use a simple script to connect to each server it responds to
the server login prompt with an incorrect username.

Is there a way to change the default so that it supplies the correct
username?  Or a way to have it not supply the username upon
connection?

Here's one of the highpowered scripts I use:
; Spectre.ini
set terminal type vt320
set flow xon/xoff
set term bytesize 8
set terminal color terminal-screen black lightred
set terminal color underlined-text red black
set terminal color selection lightred black
telnet spectre.ag.uiuc.edu

Thanks,

Tony -

ps - On a different topic.  When I log into the VMS boxen a show
terminal reveals a device type of vt200 series.  And a show variable
at the kermit prompt shows the terminal variable set to vt220.  But
I'd like it to be vt320.

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Subject: Re: Changing the default login name
Date: 14 Dec 1999 18:16:17 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <385682e8.2175244@news.cso.uiuc.edu>,
Anthony J Mullen <a-mullen@uiuc.edu> wrote:
: I am using Kermit 95 1.1.17 to connect to VMS and Unix servers.  I
: have a different login name to the servers than I do to my PC network.
: The variables that have my username are:
: krb4principal, krb5principal, and userid.
: 
: When I use a simple script to connect to each server it responds to
: the server login prompt with an incorrect username.
: 
: Is there a way to change the default so that it supplies the correct
: username?  Or a way to have it not supply the username upon
: connection?

SET LOGIN USER <name>

: ps - On a different topic.  When I log into the VMS boxen a show
: terminal reveals a device type of vt200 series.  And a show variable
: at the kermit prompt shows the terminal variable set to vt220.  But
: I'd like it to be vt320.

Your VMS box is not accepting VT320 as a valid terminal type and so it
negotiates the terminal type in K95 down to VT220.  You can try

  SET TELNET TERMINAL VT300

and see if that is properly recognized.




    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: (C-)Kermit(/2,-95) and Remote Control of DOS?
Date: 14 Dec 1999 23:13:27 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <3856CD8E.DC5AB959@usit.net>, ERA  <era@usit.net> wrote:
: I'm reading my C-Kermit Second Edition looking for a way to do remote
: control from C-Kermit, Kermit/2 or Kermit-95 similar to that of BLAST
: (BHOST) or PCAnywhere on a DOS system also running Kermit. If this is
: possible tell me what pages I need to read to get it set up.
: 
Not like pcAnywhere.  I don't know about BHOST.  However, you can put
MS-DOS Kermit in server mode, and then use C-Kermit as the client.
Then you can send REMOTE HOST commands from C-Kermit to DOS.  But this
works only for DOS commands that are one-liners and write to stdout.

It sounds like you want a Telnet server for DOS -- maybe that's what
you should be looking for.

Or if you're dialing up to DOS, try the CTTY COM1 command.

- Frank

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Subject: (C-)Kermit(/2,-95) and Remote Control of DOS?
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:07:51 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I'm reading my C-Kermit Second Edition looking for a way to do remote
control from C-Kermit, Kermit/2 or Kermit-95 similar to that of BLAST
(BHOST) or PCAnywhere on a DOS system also running Kermit. If this is
possible tell me what pages I need to read to get it set up.

Otherwise I'm going to have to figure out a way to do remote support
just using Kermit file transfers for these systems (shudder). I'll
futher ask - is a remote control implementation of Kermit available
anywhere?
-- 
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Subject: Re: (C-)Kermit(/2,-95) and Remote Control of DOS?
Date: 14 Dec 1999 23:15:32 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <3856CD8E.DC5AB959@usit.net>, ERA  <era@usit.net> wrote:
: I'm reading my C-Kermit Second Edition looking for a way to do remote
: control from C-Kermit, Kermit/2 or Kermit-95 similar to that of BLAST
: (BHOST) or PCAnywhere on a DOS system also running Kermit. If this is
: possible tell me what pages I need to read to get it set up.
: 
: Otherwise I'm going to have to figure out a way to do remote support
: just using Kermit file transfers for these systems (shudder). I'll
: futher ask - is a remote control implementation of Kermit available
: anywhere?

I'm not sure what you are looking for.  Kermit is not a Remote Control
program such as PC Anywhere.  In PC Anywhere the local desktop is 
redirected over the communications channel so that you have interactive
access.

Kermit also is not a Telnet Server that provides a remote interactive
command shell.  However, Kermit may be used to connect to a Telnet
Server that provides interactive command shells.  OS/2 comes with its
own Telnetd implementation as does Unix.  Windows on the other hand
requires that one be obtained from a third party.  Windows 2000 comes
with a built in Telnetd.

What is it that you are attempting to accomplish?  

If you are looking to remotely control GUI applications you will have
to purchase and install a product such as PC Anywhere.

If you are looking for the ability to execute interactive commands
in a text environment you can use Kermit to connect to a telnetd.

If you are looking to execute non-interactive commands then you could
use the Kermit Server's REMOTE HOST command.

Before we can help you further you will have to describe what it is you 
are attempting to do and from and to which operating systems you want 
to do it.


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu



I am having trouble dialing out of my Unisys 6000 system (running AT&T Unix
System V R 2) using a Motorol-Fastalk modem via kermit 6.0.192.  After
setting modem type to motorola-fastalk, setting line to proper device ; I
attempt to issue the dial command but get the message : DIAL Failure:
Timeout.

Is it something related to permissions or am I missing a setting in kermit?



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From: ERA <era@usit.net>
Organization: ERA Computer Consulting
Subject: Re: (C-)Kermit(/2,-95) and Remote Control of DOS?
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 03:17:07 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Jeffrey Altman wrote:
> 
> In article <3856CD8E.DC5AB959@usit.net>, ERA  <era@usit.net> wrote:
> : I'm reading my C-Kermit Second Edition looking for a way to do
> : remote control from C-Kermit, Kermit/2 or Kermit-95 similar to
> : that of BLAST (BHOST) or PCAnywhere on a DOS system also running
> : Kermit....
> 
> I'm not sure what you are looking for.  Kermit is not a Remote
> Control program such as PC Anywhere.  In PC Anywhere the local
> desktop is redirected over the communications channel so that you
> have interactive access.
> 
> Kermit also is not a Telnet Server that provides a remote
> interactive command shell.  However, Kermit may be used to connect
> to a Telnet Server that provides interactive command shells.  OS/2
> comes with its own Telnetd implementation as does Unix.  Windows on
> the other hand requires that one be obtained from a third party.
> Windows 2000 comes with a built in Telnetd.
> 
> What is it that you are attempting to accomplish?
> 
> If you are looking to remotely control GUI applications you will
> have to purchase and install a product such as PC Anywhere.
> 
> If you are looking for the ability to execute interactive commands
> in a text environment you can use Kermit to connect to a telnetd.
> 
> If you are looking to execute non-interactive commands then you
> could use the Kermit Server's REMOTE HOST command.
> 
> Before we can help you further you will have to describe what it is
> you are attempting to do and from and to which operating systems
> you want to do it.

I'm looking for interactive control of a NON-GUI IBM PC-DOS session
on a remote PC-DOS system via dial-up modem. The systems are located
50 and 80 miles from the home office of our client who needs a way to
interact with them daily via remote control from his SCO OpenServer 5
Enterprise server to run reports on his accounting package as the
administrator that he will then x-fer to the OpenServer 5 system for
import into his master database. He does not want to give out the
administrator password to anyone else and there is no way to automate
the reports under DOS for automated x-fer.

BLAST software has a DOS program called BHOST that allows interactive
remote control from another BLAST package running on Unix, etc. and I
was hoping there were something similar for DOS-Kermit. Our client
really likes your prices compared to BLAST and feature for feature
you come out ahead except in this one area.

I see you mention a telnetd. Is there such an animal for plain old
DOS? If so where do I find it?
-- 
Gene Alexander <era@usit.net>
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Subject: Re: (C-)Kermit(/2,-95) and Remote Control of DOS?
Message-ID: <wuN1jPHgjOax@cc.usu.edu>
Date: 14 Dec 99 21:03:49 MDT
Organization: Utah State University
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <385707FC.477B2AF3@usit.net>, ERA <era@usit.net> writes:
> Jeffrey Altman wrote:
>> 
>> In article <3856CD8E.DC5AB959@usit.net>, ERA  <era@usit.net> wrote:
>> : I'm reading my C-Kermit Second Edition looking for a way to do
>> : remote control from C-Kermit, Kermit/2 or Kermit-95 similar to
>> : that of BLAST (BHOST) or PCAnywhere on a DOS system also running
>> : Kermit....
>> 
>> I'm not sure what you are looking for.  Kermit is not a Remote
>> Control program such as PC Anywhere.  In PC Anywhere the local
>> desktop is redirected over the communications channel so that you
>> have interactive access.
>> 
>> Kermit also is not a Telnet Server that provides a remote
>> interactive command shell.  However, Kermit may be used to connect
>> to a Telnet Server that provides interactive command shells.  OS/2
>> comes with its own Telnetd implementation as does Unix.  Windows on
>> the other hand requires that one be obtained from a third party.
>> Windows 2000 comes with a built in Telnetd.
>> 
>> What is it that you are attempting to accomplish?
>> 
>> If you are looking to remotely control GUI applications you will
>> have to purchase and install a product such as PC Anywhere.
>> 
>> If you are looking for the ability to execute interactive commands
>> in a text environment you can use Kermit to connect to a telnetd.
>> 
>> If you are looking to execute non-interactive commands then you
>> could use the Kermit Server's REMOTE HOST command.
>> 
>> Before we can help you further you will have to describe what it is
>> you are attempting to do and from and to which operating systems
>> you want to do it.
> 
> I'm looking for interactive control of a NON-GUI IBM PC-DOS session
> on a remote PC-DOS system via dial-up modem. The systems are located
> 50 and 80 miles from the home office of our client who needs a way to
> interact with them daily via remote control from his SCO OpenServer 5
> Enterprise server to run reports on his accounting package as the
> administrator that he will then x-fer to the OpenServer 5 system for
> import into his master database. He does not want to give out the
> administrator password to anyone else and there is no way to automate
> the reports under DOS for automated x-fer.
> 
> BLAST software has a DOS program called BHOST that allows interactive
> remote control from another BLAST package running on Unix, etc. and I
> was hoping there were something similar for DOS-Kermit. Our client
> really likes your prices compared to BLAST and feature for feature
> you come out ahead except in this one area.
> 
> I see you mention a telnetd. Is there such an animal for plain old
> DOS? If so where do I find it?
> -- 
> Gene Alexander <era@usit.net>
-----------
	There's still room to slip between the cracks here. MS-DOS Kermit
has built-in Telnet over its own TCP/IP stack. But it does not pretend
to be a console interpretor for DOS (command.com does that). Even DOS
itself is largely unable to do that task with its CTTY command. 
	What you apparently need is a screen grabber/repeater and a
keyboard grabber/stuffer for the other direction, a la PCAnywhere. This
becomes particularly true if the application bypasses DOS itself for
video or keyboard (and many do, given what DOS offers). That means the
repeater pair must snoop within video display memory itself, and at the
other end the client side needs to grab keypress primatives within the
Bios or lower and stuff them into the matching keyboard simulator on
the other end. This is not the task Kermits engage in, hence the need
for a PCAnywhere program.
	There is an alternative worth looking at, which is the DOS
simulators which run under various versions of Unix. If, and I can't
predict the size of that "if" for your situation, the app were well behaved
enough then the Unix machine could support it and a regular Telnet session
would be what the doctor ordered. SCO Unix and SCO UnixWare, amongst others,
offer decent DOS simulators as options.
	Joe D.

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From: Lawrence Yeo S S <lawrence@acenet.com.sg>
Organization: AceNet Communication Pte Ltd
Subject: Kermit in Server mode?
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hi,

I'm trying to setup simple polling system where some dos terminal runs
kermit in server mode waiting for the a kermit client to call in and
transfer a file from the kermit server to client.  I'm having problem on
how to write the script for the server.  I have been looking up on the
net for days but no luck :-(

Anyone could help??

Thanks,
Lawrence
-- 
----------------------------------------------
Lawrence Yeo
AceNet Communication Pte Ltd         Singapore
lawrence@acenet.com.sg           Tel: 736 3282

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: Kermit in Server mode?
Date: 15 Dec 1999 08:00:53 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <38574816.5EB546CD@acenet.com.sg>,
Lawrence Yeo S S  <lawrence@acenet.com.sg> wrote:
: Hi,
: 
: I'm trying to setup simple polling system where some dos terminal runs
: kermit in server mode waiting for the a kermit client to call in and
: transfer a file from the kermit server to client.  I'm having problem on
: how to write the script for the server.  I have been looking up on the
: net for days but no luck :-(
: 

Which Kermit on which Operating System?

What type of connection: (direct serial, dialup, tcpip, other?)

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Subject: Re: Kermit in Server mode?
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


Sorry...  and how do I run the script??


Thanks

Lawrence Yeo S S wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to setup simple polling system where some dos terminal runs
> kermit in server mode waiting for the a kermit client to call in and
> transfer a file from the kermit server to client.  I'm having problem on
> how to write the script for the server.  I have been looking up on the
> net for days but no luck :-(
> 
> Anyone could help??
> 
----------------------------------------------
Lawrence Yeo
AceNet Communication Pte Ltd         Singapore
lawrence@acenet.com.sg           Tel: 736 3282

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Dial Failure: Timeout
Date: 15 Dec 1999 13:36:00 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <aJC54.313$Ni1.33425@sapphire.mtt.net>,
Grant <g_p@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
: I am having trouble dialing out of my Unisys 6000 system (running AT&T Unix
: System V R 2) using a Motorol-Fastalk modem via kermit 6.0.192.  After
: setting modem type to motorola-fastalk, setting line to proper device ; I
: attempt to issue the dial command but get the message : DIAL Failure:
: Timeout.
: 
What commands did you give to Kermit?

Tell Kermit to SET DIAL DISPLAY ON before dialing and then you can see
what happens.

In any case, you might want to try version 7.0, since nobody has reported
trying it yet on that platform:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

You'll need to build it with:

  make unisys5r2

You'll probably get lots of errors, but just send them to me and we'll
get it working after a couple tries.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Dial Failure: Timeout
Date: 15 Dec 1999 14:13:15 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <qhN54.390$Ni1.43166@sapphire.mtt.net>,
Grant <g_p@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
: Thanks Frank.  I will try the set dial display on for clues and look into
: kermit 7.0.  I initially issued these commands:
: 
: set line /dev/term/mp1/device#
: set modem type motorola-fastalk
: set file type binary
: dial phone#
: 
You need to reverse the first two commands, and you should also include
a SET SPEED command, or else dialing will be at some random speed:

  set modem type motorola-fastalk
  set line /dev/term/mp1/device#
  set speed 9600 ; or whatever
  set file type binary
  set dial display on ; to watch what happens
  dial phone#

As noted in the manual, the SET MODEM TYPE command must precede the
SET LINE command so Kermit can call tell the OS to allow the serial device
to be opened even though it is not presenting carrier.

- Frank

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From: "Grant" <g_p@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Dial Failure: Timeout
Message-ID: <8GN54.392$Ni1.43148@sapphire.mtt.net>
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:34:44 GMT
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Thx.  I will try this out.  Appreciate all your assistance on this.  Have a
nice day.

"Frank da Cruz" <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:8387lr$q57$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
> In article <qhN54.390$Ni1.43166@sapphire.mtt.net>,
> Grant <g_p@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> : Thanks Frank.  I will try the set dial display on for clues and look into
> : kermit 7.0.  I initially issued these commands:
> :
> : set line /dev/term/mp1/device#
> : set modem type motorola-fastalk
> : set file type binary
> : dial phone#
> :
> You need to reverse the first two commands, and you should also include
> a SET SPEED command, or else dialing will be at some random speed:
>
>   set modem type motorola-fastalk
>   set line /dev/term/mp1/device#
>   set speed 9600 ; or whatever
>   set file type binary
>   set dial display on ; to watch what happens
>   dial phone#
>
> As noted in the manual, the SET MODEM TYPE command must precede the
> SET LINE command so Kermit can call tell the OS to allow the serial device
> to be opened even though it is not presenting carrier.
>
> - Frank



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From: "Grant" <g_p@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Dial Failure: Timeout
Message-ID: <qhN54.390$Ni1.43166@sapphire.mtt.net>
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:08:22 GMT
Organization: Sympatico-Subscriber
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Thanks Frank.  I will try the set dial display on for clues and look into
kermit 7.0.  I initially issued these commands:

set line /dev/term/mp1/device#
set modem type motorola-fastalk
set file type binary
dial phone#

"Frank da Cruz" <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:8385g0$oh2$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu...
> In article <aJC54.313$Ni1.33425@sapphire.mtt.net>,
> Grant <g_p@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> : I am having trouble dialing out of my Unisys 6000 system (running AT&T Unix
> : System V R 2) using a Motorol-Fastalk modem via kermit 6.0.192.  After
> : setting modem type to motorola-fastalk, setting line to proper device I
> : attempt to issue the dial command but get the message : DIAL Failure :
> : Timeout.
> :
> What commands did you give to Kermit?
>
> Tell Kermit to SET DIAL DISPLAY ON before dialing and then you can see
> what happens.
>
> In any case, you might want to try version 7.0, since nobody has reported
> trying it yet on that platform:
>
>   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html
>
> You'll need to build it with:
>
>   make unisys5r2
>
> You'll probably get lots of errors, but just send them to me and we'll
> get it working after a couple tries.
>
> - Frank



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From: a-mullen@uiuc.edu (Anthony J Mullen)
Subject: Re: Changing the default login name
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:54:32 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

On 14 Dec 1999 18:16:17 GMT, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey
Altman) wrote:

>In article <385682e8.2175244@news.cso.uiuc.edu>,
>Anthony J Mullen <a-mullen@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>: Is there a way to change the default so that it supplies the correct
>: username?
>
>SET LOGIN USER <name>
>
>: ps - On a different topic.  When I log into the VMS boxen a show
>: terminal reveals a device type of vt200 series.  And a show variable
>: at the kermit prompt shows the terminal variable set to vt220.  But
>: I'd like it to be vt320.
>
>  SET TELNET TERMINAL VT300

These changes work perfectly.  Thank you very much.

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From: Lawrence Yeo S S <lawrence@acenet.com.sg>
Organization: AceNet Communication Pte Ltd
Subject: Re: Kermit in Server mode?
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Jeffrey Altman wrote:
[....]
> Which Kermit on which Operating System?

I'm using msdos-kermit ver. 3.15 on dos machine.

> What type of connection: (direct serial, dialup, tcpip, other?)

Dialup connection.

I have manage to get the simple kermit script to get the client/server
running :-p


Thanks,
Lawrence
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kermit take script.txt, server

Lawrence Yeo S S wrote in message <3857502B.15AE9C3D@acenet.com.sg>...
>
>Sorry...  and how do I run the script??
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Lawrence Yeo S S wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm trying to setup simple polling system where some dos terminal runs
>> kermit in server mode waiting for the a kermit client to call in and
>> transfer a file from the kermit server to client.  I'm having problem on
>> how to write the script for the server.  I have been looking up on the
>> net for days but no luck :-(
>>
>> Anyone could help??
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lawrence
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Subject: Re: Timeout / retry on send
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <s5l4gmh1qrs137@corp.supernews.com>, "Steve Baus" <steve@baus-systems.com> writes:
> I am using DOS ver 3.15 to automate a send and receive over a modem.
> Computer A is in server mode waiting for computer B to send a file.  Once it
> gets the file, computer A does some processing, creates a file, which may be
> a couple of hundred K in size, and tries to send that file.  If there is a
> problem with this send, I would like computer A to abort within a maximum
> time or retries.
> 
> My thought is since the file transfer may take multiple minutes, I should
> have it abort on too many retries like 20.  If I could set the time between
> retries to be say 2 seconds then in theory if I get a dropped connection it
> should abort in 40 seconds.  Looking through my Using MS-DOS Kermit book and
> C-Kermit I would think in my script I would simply have to set retries 20
> and set send timeout 2 and that should do it.  When I test this concept,
> every retry seems to take longer and longer, the first few zip right along
> then it takes a couple of seconds between and each one is longer than the
> last and when I set retries to 20, it abouts on retry 61, when I set retry
> to 8 it aborts on 25.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> Steve
----------
	Retry intervals are purposefully made exponentially longer because
the range of comms channel characteristics is very wide indeed. Usually
accepting only two or maybe three retries is fairly safe because one packet
may be dropped but not likely two or three. That will shorten the window
of detecting no-client. Also your modem will have hung up the connection
if the client side does so first.
	Joe D.

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In article <s5lfivgfqrs166@corp.supernews.com>, "Steve Baus" <steve@baus-systems.com> writes:
> I guess my concern on setting the retries to something fairly small like 2
> or 3 would be with a large file and somewhat noisy line, I may get a number
> of retries over the whole file.  So if the file is 150K in size and I get a
> retry ever 30K then I abort before it completes.  Is there a way to have the
> retry counter reset back to zero if I do get back on track during the
> transfer or maybe better is there a way to abort the Kermit Send if the
> phone line disconnects?
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve
--------
	Retry count limits are per Kermit packet.
	Enabling Carrier Detection should produce a failure signal in MSK
when the line goes away.
	Joe D.

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Subject: Announcing a new GPL'd Kermit program for UNIX
Date: 18 Dec 1999 01:49:54 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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This to announce a brief testing period for a new, compact, and GPL'd
Kermit program for UNIX.  The new program is called G-Kermit (GNU Kermit).
It is intended to meet the need for a Kermit protocol implementation
that is:

 . Stable and low-maintenance
 . Small and fast with no frills
 . Released under the GNU Public License

G-Kermit is command-line only (no interactive commands or scripting) and
remote-mode only (no making connections).  It has an extremely simple user
interface, and implements a large subset of the Kermit protocol in a small
amount of highly portable code.

It has been built and tested on a wide variety of UNIX platforms, ranging
from from early-1980s-era to up-to-the-minute, using both traditional C
and ANSI C.  It is designed to be as independent as possible of platform-
specific features, and therefore to be stable for many years if we resist
the temptation to add features to it.  The size of the binary ranges from
29K (on HP-UX 8.00) to 99K on Ultrix/MIPS, with an average size of 52K
over 37 builds, and a typical size of 34K on PC-based UNIXes.

It's easy to build, install, and uninstall.  It requires no privileges.
Documentation is included as a plain-text README file and a man page.

You can find G-Kermit 1.00 Beta.01 at:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/gkermit.tar.Z  (78K)
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/gkermit.tar.gz (53K)

Uncompress, untar, read the README file, and take it from there (in most
cases you just type "make" to build it).

Send test reports to kermit-support@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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Subject: Need C-Kermit 7.0b11 binaries for Solaris x86
Date: 18 Dec 1999 17:43:13 GMT
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C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.11 was announced on December 6:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

This should be the last Beta before final release.  Although it has
been checked out on Sparc for all Solaris versions from 2.4 to 7,
nobody has tried it yet on Solaris/Intel, or sent in binaries.  I'd
appreciate it if some of you could download and build this version
on your Solaris PCs with either Sun cc or gcc.  First get:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/tar/cku196src.tar.Z (or .gz)

Then uncompress (or gunzip), tar xvf cku196src.tar, and then:

  make <targetname>

where <targetname> is:

  solaris20   Solaris 2.0 (cc)
  solaris20g  Solaris 2.0 (gcc)
  solaris21   Solaris 2.1 (cc)
  solaris21g  Solaris 2.1 (gcc)
  solaris22   Solaris 2.2 (cc)
  solaris22g  Solaris 2.2 (gcc)
  solaris23   Solaris 2.3 (cc)
  solaris23g  Solaris 2.3 (gcc)
  solaris24   Solaris 2.4 (cc)
  solaris24g  Solaris 2.4 (gcc)
  solaris25   Solaris 2.5 (cc)
  solaris25g  Solaris 2.5 (gcc)
  solaris26   Solaris 2.6 (cc)
  solaris26g  Solaris 2.6 (gcc)
  solaris7    Solaris 7 (cc)
  solaris7g   Solaris 7 (gcc)

report any errors to kermit-support@columbia.edu.  If you get a usable
binary, please upload it to:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/incoming/cku196b11.<targetname>-i386

where <targetname> is solaris20, solaris20g, ...; whatever you used to
build it.

Thanks!

- Frank

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From: kermit-support@columbia.edu (Kermit Software Support)
Subject: Re: kermit dialout failure
Date: 18 Dec 1999 14:50:10 -0500
Organization: Columbia University
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> Hi Frank.  I tried your following suggestion [with C-Kermit 6.0
> on Unisys 6000 with System V R2], but still no luck.
>
> [/home1] C-Kermit>dial 18002373567
>  Trying: 18002373567...
>  Device: /dev/term/mp1/90, modem: att-dtdm, speed: 9600
>  Dial timeout: 31 seconds
>  To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C).
>  Hangup OK
>  Initializing: 22:45:22...
>  Dialing: 22:45:23...
> 18002373567
> DIAL Failure: 22:45:54: DIAL TIMEOUT interval expired.
> 
Hmmm.  Unfortunately I have no personal experience with the AT&T DTDM.
I'll see if anybody who reads the Kermit newsgroup might be able to help.

In the meantime:

 . Are you sure att-dtdm is the appropriate modem type?
 . Was Kermit ever able to dial this same way before?
 . Can Kermit dial other kinds of modems successfully?

> Perhaps I should try compiling kermit 7.0 to see what happens or maybe I
> am trying to use the wrong version of kermit ...
> 
So far nobody has tried building C-Kermit 7.0 on any System V release 
prior to 3.  If you or anybody wants to try it, I'll be glad to help get it
working, although it is not necessarily going to solve this particular
problem.

- Frank

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@yellow.rahul.net>
Subject: Re: Announcing a new GPL'd Kermit program for UNIX
Date: 19 Dec 1999 01:01:19 GMT
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Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:

: G-Kermit is command-line only (no interactive commands or scripting) and
: remote-mode only (no making connections).  It has an extremely simple user
: interface, and implements a large subset of the Kermit protocol in a small
: amount of highly portable code.

Is this the one I'm looking for?  I managed to lose my network connection
to a computer in Manhattan, and I need to transfer some files onto it.  I
remembered a small ckermit from days gone by that was small enough when
uuencoded to survive a text transfer.  Would this G-Kermit be a similar
tool?  The target is a Sun Ultra-10 running Solaris 2.6
Or maybe one of you guys could run over to West 66th from Columbia U?

-- 
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                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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Subject: Re: Announcing a new GPL'd Kermit program for UNIX
Date: 19 Dec 1999 05:57:43 GMT
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In article <83haov$jd8$1@samba.rahul.net>,
Clarence Dold  <dold@network.rahul.net> wrote:

: Or maybe one of you guys could run over to West 66th from Columbia U?

Just a little late.  I was attending an Opera at Lincoln Center tonight.
Could have dropped off anything you needed.  :-)

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: "Matthew" <phyxx@netscape.net>
Subject: kermit scripting GUI capabilities?
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:21:05 +1000
Organization: University of Queensland
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I want to find a telnet program that can offer scripting capabilities. At
the moment I am using Zoc (www.emtec.com) but the scripting capabilities
offered by Zoc are limited by its lack of GUI options. The most it has is a
one line input box or a box with a selection of buttons. Does Kermit offer a
little more flexability in its scripting?



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: kermit scripting GUI capabilities?
Date: 19 Dec 1999 15:17:41 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <83ilup$9r$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>,
Matthew <phyxx@netscape.net> wrote:
: I want to find a telnet program that can offer scripting capabilities. At
: the moment I am using Zoc (www.emtec.com) but the scripting capabilities
: offered by Zoc are limited by its lack of GUI options. The most it has is a
: one line input box or a box with a selection of buttons. Does Kermit offer a
: little more flexability in its scripting?
: 
Kermit has a very flexible scripting language with variables, arrays, block
structure, functions, regular expressions, etc, but it's not a GUI builder; it
is stricly text oriented.  See:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/scriptlib.html

for samples.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: Announcing a new GPL'd Kermit program for UNIX
Date: 19 Dec 1999 15:30:08 GMT
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In article <83haov$jd8$1@samba.rahul.net>,
Clarence Dold  <dold@network.rahul.net> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: 
: : G-Kermit is command-line only (no interactive commands or scripting) and
: : remote-mode only (no making connections).  It has an extremely simple user
: : interface, and implements a large subset of the Kermit protocol in a small
: : amount of highly portable code.
: 
: Is this the one I'm looking for?  I managed to lose my network connection
: to a computer in Manhattan, and I need to transfer some files onto it.  I
: remembered a small ckermit from days gone by that was small enough when
: uuencoded to survive a text transfer.  Would this G-Kermit be a similar
: tool?  The target is a Sun Ultra-10 running Solaris 2.6
:
Here's an example for Linux on the the PC:

[fdc@yclept gkermit]$ ls -l gkermit
-rwxrwx---   1 fdc      fdc         32317 Dec 17 20:36 gkermit
[fdc@yclept gkermit]$ gzip gkermit
[fdc@yclept gkermit]$ ls -l gkermit.gz
-rwxrwx---   1 fdc      fdc         15101 Dec 17 20:36 gkermit.gz
[fdc@yclept gkermit]$ uuencode gkermit.gz gkermit.gz.uue > gkermit.gz.uue
[fdc@yclept gkermit]$ ls -l gkermit.gz.uue
-rw-rw----   1 fdc      fdc         20839 Dec 19 10:18 gkermit.gz.uue
[fdc@yclept gkermit]$

The Sparc binary is about 50% bigger (RISC vs CISC).

Of course a bare minimum receive-only Kermit is possible too, which would
be only a few K.  Someday when I have nothing else to do maybe I'll make
one (again).

- Frank

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From: rrodriguez <rrodriguez@ulster.net>
Subject: Keermit/95 cut/paste and firewall problems
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 01:43:17 GMT
Message-ID: <s5r2dl7mee6176@corp.supernews.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

   Has anyone found a good way to cut text from Lotus Notes windows
and paste it into a Kermit session using Win/95 or Win/98 Kermit version
1.17? It used to work ok with OS/2 and Kermit 1.17, but if I try to
paste text into the window, nothing shows up, although it works using
the standard Telnet client in Win95. 

   Another problem I'm having is with a firewall product IBM is using
to allow connections from a non-IBM ISP to their network. It's the
Aventail Connect tool, with a special digital secure ID key to sign on
with using a one-time password. When using Kermit to connect this way,
it's ok as long as the IP address is fully specified, but if you use 
a host name on either the ibm net or the external internet, it
resolves the address to "0.1.0.6" or something similar always starting with
0.1.0. I turned reverse DNS resolution off but that didn't help. It 
works with Win98 Telnet. Have you had any experience with this firewall
to see what might be wrong?
 


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: Keermit/95 cut/paste and firewall problems
Date: 20 Dec 1999 02:10:31 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <83k36n$haf$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <s5r2dl7mee6176@corp.supernews.com>,
rrodriguez  <rrodriguez@ulster.net> wrote:
:    Has anyone found a good way to cut text from Lotus Notes windows
: and paste it into a Kermit session using Win/95 or Win/98 Kermit version
: 1.17? It used to work ok with OS/2 and Kermit 1.17, but if I try to
: paste text into the window, nothing shows up, although it works using
: the standard Telnet client in Win95. 

Cut the text from Lotus Notes; switch to the K95 window; press Shift-Insert
or double click the right mouse button.

:    Another problem I'm having is with a firewall product IBM is using
: to allow connections from a non-IBM ISP to their network. It's the
: Aventail Connect tool, with a special digital secure ID key to sign on
: with using a one-time password. When using Kermit to connect this way,
: it's ok as long as the IP address is fully specified, but if you use 
: a host name on either the ibm net or the external internet, it
: resolves the address to "0.1.0.6" or something similar always starting with
: 0.1.0. I turned reverse DNS resolution off but that didn't help. It 
: works with Win98 Telnet. Have you had any experience with this firewall
: to see what might be wrong?
:

Is the name of the host equivalent to the name of a service?

Is the name of the host numeric?

what is the name of the host?

What are the DNS Search paths that are configured on your host?


Reverse DNS lookups only are used to determine the real name of the host 
after the IP address is determined by the name you specify.  This is 
frequently necessary when authenticating using X.509 certificate or
Kerberos tickets that associate a specific key with a particular host 
name.  If the host name used during authentication is that of an alias
instead of the true name, the logon may fail.  



    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: "Itzak Ademic" <itzak.ademic@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Announcing a new GPL'd Kermit program for UNIX
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 03:26:30 -0500
Organization: Unattractive Data Associates
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

why isn't this posted on news:comp.protocols.kermit.announce?
Is there a kermit newsgroups protocol faq that partitions the topics?
PMSBIJAN


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Subject: Re: Announcing a new GPL'd Kermit program for UNIX
Date: 20 Dec 1999 16:51:05 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <83lmfn$b4j$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
Itzak Ademic <itzak.ademic@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: why isn't this posted on news:comp.protocols.kermit.announce?
:
Because it's only a Beta.

: Is there a kermit newsgroups protocol faq that partitions the topics?
: 
No, but the announce group is used only to make announcements of new
releases.  Anyway, the traffic on both groups is so small that it's
hardly worth having two of them.

- Frank

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From: rrodriguez <rrodriguez@ulster.net>
Subject: Keermit/95 cut/paste and firewall problems
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:21:42 GMT
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

The cut/paste suggestion worked; thanks for the help. As for the name
resolution problem, the host name doesn't seem to matter. I was trying
netcom17.netcom.com with my name server pointing at 208.148.73.5, but
I think the firewall has a special name server for the internal IBM
network. 

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From: "Brian Ward (Harveys MIS)" <Harveys.mis@dial.pipex.com>
Subject: Carrier Detect Over a VMS LAT Protocol
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:15:43 -0000
Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom
Message-ID: <83lo03$e53$1@lure.pipex.net>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hi there,

I am using an Alpha server running OpenVMS 6.2

I have setup a LAT port that is talking to the modem O.K. and is talking to
the outside world O.K.

I can't do a set term/perm/modem to enable modem controls in VMS 6.2

My problem is I need to do a
WAIT 1 \CD
to check for carrier detect in my .INI file
this just falls over immediately

PLEASE HELP

HOW CAN I CHECK FOR CARRIER DETECT USING A LAT DEVICE

Many Thanks

Brian Ward
Production Systems Manager
Harveys Furnishing plc

Phone    : (+44) 1708-521177
Fax        : (+44) 1708-520985




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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Carrier Detect Over a VMS LAT Protocol
Date: 20 Dec 1999 17:20:21 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <83logl$irl$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <83lo03$e53$1@lure.pipex.net>,
Brian Ward (Harveys MIS) <Harveys.mis@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
: I am using an Alpha server running OpenVMS 6.2
: 
: I have setup a LAT port that is talking to the modem O.K. and is talking to
: the outside world O.K.
: 
: I can't do a set term/perm/modem to enable modem controls in VMS 6.2
: 
: My problem is I need to do a
: WAIT 1 \CD
: to check for carrier detect in my .INI file
: this just falls over immediately
: 
: PLEASE HELP
: 
: HOW CAN I CHECK FOR CARRIER DETECT USING A LAT DEVICE
: 
So this is a question about C-Kermit?  Which version?  The current version
is 6.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html

soon to be replaced by 7.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

Anyway, I'm not sure if this works.  The best way to tell is to give
commands like like this:

  set line ltannn  (replace with actual port name)
  show comm
  show modem

Does it show modem signals, or does it say "Modem signals not available"?

If it shows modem signals then you can use WAIT to test for them, but
you have to omit the backslash -- just use "wait 1 cd".

If it says "Modem signals not available", that means it asked VMS for
the modem signals and VMS returned an error.

But are you really asking the right question?  What are you trying to
accomplish with "wait 1 cd"?  Is this part of a dialing sequence?  If so,
did you know that you can just use the DIAL command?  All of this is
explained in the manual:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html

- Frank

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: Keermit/95 cut/paste and firewall problems
Date: 20 Dec 1999 17:48:55 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <s5spd6h7rg327@corp.supernews.com>,
rrodriguez  <rrodriguez@ulster.net> wrote:
: The cut/paste suggestion worked; thanks for the help. As for the name
: resolution problem, the host name doesn't seem to matter. I was trying
: netcom17.netcom.com with my name server pointing at 208.148.73.5, but
: I think the firewall has a special name server for the internal IBM
: network. 


I asked all of the questions because I am not clear what the problem is.
You are asking K95 to 

   TELNET netcom17

and you are telling me that this is resolving to 0.1.0.6 (or something 
similar.)  And yet you are telling me that

  TELNET netcom17.netcom.com

works.  And that Microsoft Telnet is able to telnet to the host if you
only specify "netcom17".

K95 does not perform the DNS search.  It simply passes on the request to 
gethostbyname() which then returns the IP address.  If this IP address
is wrong it should be wrong for Microsoft Telnet as well.  


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach)
Subject: Re: kermit scripting GUI capabilities?
Date: 20 Dec 1999 23:21:03 GMT
Organization: NETCOM / MindSpring Enterprises, Inc.
Message-ID: <83mdkv$q3c$1@nntp8.atl.mindspring.net>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

If all you want is to script telnet rather than scripting telnet or 
serial connections, may I suggest using Perl.  Perl has a very useful
telnet module that makes scripting easy.  You can also use the Tk module
to create a GUI.

Matthew


In article <83isul$g9f$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <83ilup$9r$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>,
>Matthew <phyxx@netscape.net> wrote:
>: I want to find a telnet program that can offer scripting capabilities. At
>: the moment I am using Zoc (www.emtec.com) but the scripting capabilities
>: offered by Zoc are limited by its lack of GUI options. The most it has is a
>: one line input box or a box with a selection of buttons. Does Kermit offer a
>: little more flexability in its scripting?
>: 
>Kermit has a very flexible scripting language with variables, arrays, block
>structure, functions, regular expressions, etc, but it's not a GUI builder; it
>is stricly text oriented.  See:
>
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/scriptlib.html
>
>for samples.
>
>- Frank



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From: Binx Bolling <collibf1@jhuapl.edu>
Subject: Re: (C-)Kermit(/2,-95) and Remote Control of DOS?
Date: 20 Dec 1999 19:41:31 -0500
Organization: Needs improvement.
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

ERA <era@usit.net> writes:

> I'm looking for interactive control of a NON-GUI IBM PC-DOS session
> on a remote PC-DOS system via dial-up modem. 

Have you considered using VMware? You could run a virtual dos machine
remotely. It has a lot of advantages over pcanywhere. But it does
require a host macine running Linux or NT.


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From: ERA <era@usit.net>
Organization: ERA Computer Consulting
Subject: Re: (C-)Kermit(/2,-95) and Remote Control of DOS?
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:54:56 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Binx Bolling wrote:
> 
> ERA <era@usit.net> writes:
> 
> > I'm looking for interactive control of a NON-GUI IBM PC-DOS
> > session on a remote PC-DOS system via dial-up modem.
> 
> Have you considered using VMware? You could run a virtual dos
> machine remotely. It has a lot of advantages over pcanywhere. But
> it does require a host macine running Linux or NT.

For now I've convinced the business owner to allow one other person
at each store to have admin access to generate the reports he wants.
I mentioned the ability to automate all the transfers at night if
done this way and he capitulated, not very reluctantly I might add.
Now I just have to implement a password changing scheme and get the
dialup scripts working from his OpenServer 5 box.

What is VMware and how does it relate to using Kermit to remote
control PC-DOS? Further as you can see in my .sig I am an OS/2 and
OpenServer reseller so answers with "NT" in them cause me to raise my
hands and place my forefingers in the sign of the cross. Because "NT"
is not the "answer" to any question *I* wish to ask to resolve a
problem. ;-)

My client already has BLAST and the ability to R.C. DOS from
OpenServer using it but the cost to upgrade his BLAST to the latest
version for all his stores is much more than he has paid to buy
DOS-Kermit and C-Kermit from Columbia U (on my recommendation).

BTW, if this is about to stray far off the beaten Kermit path let's
move it to e-mail.

-- 
Gene Alexander <era@usit.net>
-- 
+==========================-=>Team OS/2<=-==========================+
#   Owner and C.E.O. - ERA Computer Consulting - Jackson, TN USA    #
#Providing IBM OS/2 and SCO OpenServer  Business Computing Solutions#
#         visit our www pages at http://eracc.bizland.com/          #
+===================================================================+
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: crypt.h missing - C-Kermit 7.0 Beta 11 and K5 v1.1.1
Date: 24 Dec 1999 01:14:45 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <8EA5B830Aferlazzohomecom@192.168.1.2>,
Kevin Ferlazzo <ferlazzo@home.com> wrote:
: Help!!  <Grin>
: 
: I have downloaded both MIT Kerberos v5 rel. 1.1.1 and C-Kermit 7.0 
: Beta 11 and am trying to create a Kerberized C-Kermit according to 
: the directions in the C-Kermit SECURITY.TXT file
: 
: K5 has built without a problem (and you all know how often packages 
: build without problems!!), and I can successfully get a ticket from 
: my KDC.
: 
: My problem is that when I build C-Kermit using the linux+krb5 
: makefile target I get the following error immediately:
: 
: >> In file included from ckcmai.c:91:
: >> ckcdeb.h:5009: crypt.h: No such file or directory
: >> make[1]: *** [ckcmai.o] Error 1
: 
: I've looked through my original Linux CDs, and both of the C-Kermit 
: and K5 distributions.  I don't have a crypt.h file, or a crypt 
: library anywhere.
: 
: Can somebody point me in the right direction here?
: 
: Thanks!
: Kevin Ferlazzo
: ferlazzo AT home DOT com

crypt.h should be in /usr/include in your Linux distribution.  It is 
not a part of Kerberos or C-Kermit.

Which Linux are you using?  What revision?


Follow-up to comp.protocols.kermit.misc

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: "Joe H. Gallagher" <dtrwiz@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: K95 script/Windows set up problem???
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 10:52:28 -0500
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
Message-ID: <3864E832.5E8F@ix.netcom.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Jeffrey Altman wrote:
> 
> In article <3853BBFA.6A02@ix.netcom.com>,
> Joe H. Gallagher <dtrwiz@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> : With K95 (Version 1.1.11), when I enter
> :
> : I would appreciate any pointers or advice about what
> : is the problem with the K95 environment which is causing
> : this symptom.
> 
> More than likely your problem is the version of K95 you are running.
> The current version is 1.1.17.  1.1.11 is several years old.  Please
> update to the current version via the free patches available from
> 
>   http://www.kermit-project.org/k95patch.html
> 
> If you still have problems, send e-mail with your bug report to
> 
>   kermit-support@columbia.edu
> 
>     Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
>                  The Kermit Project * Columbia University
>               612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
>   http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

Thanks, Jeffrey.

Upgrading from K95 V 1.1.11 to V 1.1.17 solved the problem.
Apparently, Windows-95A works differently from Windowns-95.

Joe H. Galalgher

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Subject: Re: crypt.h missing - C-Kermit 7.0 Beta 11 and K5 v1.1.1
From: ferlazzo@home.com (Kevin Ferlazzo)
Message-ID: <8EA8D0948ferlazzohomecom@192.168.1.2>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 01:41:16 GMT
Organization: @Home Network
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote in 
<83uhe5$qte$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>:

>
>crypt.h should be in /usr/include in your Linux distribution.  It is 
>not a part of Kerberos or C-Kermit.
>
>Which Linux are you using?  What revision?
>
>

Jeffrey,

I should have made it clear in my original post to the 
comp.protocols.kermit group that I didn't expect to find crypt.h or 
the crypt library in the C-Kermit distribution.  I thought it 
would be more likely to have been in the Kerberos distribution which 
is why I posted in that newsgroup and not here.

I am using Slackware version 3.2 (an extremely old version I got in a 
MIS Press book on Linux).  I have just now looked at the SlackWare 
site and they have just released version 7.  :)

I will download that and upgrade my Linux box and see if I don't 
magically gain the files I need.  :)

Thanks!  Hope your XMas was Merry and that your New Year's will be 
Y2K Compliant!

Kevin Ferlazzo
ferlazzo AT home DOT com

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: crypt.h missing - C-Kermit 7.0 Beta 11 and K5 v1.1.1
Date: 27 Dec 1999 04:48:00 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <846r20$o1p$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <8EA8D0948ferlazzohomecom@192.168.1.2>,
Kevin Ferlazzo <ferlazzo@home.com> wrote:

: I should have made it clear in my original post to the 
: comp.protocols.kermit group that I didn't expect to find crypt.h or 
: the crypt library in the C-Kermit distribution.  I thought it 
: would be more likely to have been in the Kerberos distribution which 
: is why I posted in that newsgroup and not here.
: 
: I am using Slackware version 3.2 (an extremely old version I got in a 
: MIS Press book on Linux).  I have just now looked at the SlackWare 
: site and they have just released version 7.  :)
: 
: I will download that and upgrade my Linux box and see if I don't 
: magically gain the files I need.  :)
: 
: Thanks!  Hope your XMas was Merry and that your New Year's will be 
: Y2K Compliant!
: 
: Kevin Ferlazzo
: ferlazzo AT home DOT com

If you received Slackware from the back of a book the publisher might
have been afraid to include crypt because of U.S. export laws.  But
I wonder how they are protecting passwords if they did not include
crypt.


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Announcing G-Kermit 1.00
Date: 27 Dec 1999 21:19:05 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


G-Kermit 1.00 is released.  The web page is:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html

For those who missed the Beta test, G-Kermit is small, fast, and
portable Kermit protocol implementation for UNIX released under
the GPL.

Prebuilt binaries are available for over 40 hardware/OS/version
combinations:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html#down

If you can send in binaries that are not listed, please let me
know.  After allowing a few days for more binaries to come in,
we'll make a wider announcement.

- Frank

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From: "DGlenn" <d_glenn@excite.com>
Subject: gkermit speed
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 10:56:59 -0700
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I am using the prebuilt binary for G-Kermit v1.00 on SCO Openserver 5.0.5.

My problem is that it is running very slow (600 cps maximum).  I read the
FAQ about how to increase the speed and, among other commands, it says:

"Give the following command to the file receiver:
      SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000  ; (or other length)"

How do I get to the "file receiver" to type in the command?  Do I need to
compile my own version and specify these commands in a file somewhere?

For your info:  The server has an external Multi-Tech 33.6 multi-modem and I
am connecting with a 56k USR sportster.

Any info would be much appreciated.

David



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: gkermit speed
Date: 30 Dec 1999 13:09:41 -0500
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In article <s6n76tq85k284@corp.supernews.com>,
DGlenn <d_glenn@excite.com> wrote:
: I am using the prebuilt binary for G-Kermit v1.00 on SCO Openserver 5.0.5.
: 
: My problem is that it is running very slow (600 cps maximum).  I read the
: FAQ about how to increase the speed and, among other commands, it says:
: 
: "Give the following command to the file receiver:
:       SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000  ; (or other length)"
: 
: How do I get to the "file receiver" to type in the command?  Do I need to
: compile my own version and specify these commands in a file somewhere?
: 
What is your terminal emulator?

: For your info:  The server has an external Multi-Tech 33.6 multi-modem and I
: am connecting with a 56k USR sportster.
: 
In this case you can't use streaming because it's not a reliable connection
so, as you have inferred, the only way to boost the speed is to tell the
file receive to use bigger packets.  How to do that (or whether it's possible)
depends on what software it is.

- Frank



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Subject: Re: gkermit speed
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:56:30 -0700
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Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote in message
news:84g755$ca0@watsun.cc.columbia.edu...
> In article <s6n76tq85k284@corp.supernews.com>,
> DGlenn <d_glenn@excite.com> wrote:
> : I am using the prebuilt binary for G-Kermit v1.00 on SCO Openserver
5.0.5.
> :
> : My problem is that it is running very slow (600 cps maximum).  I read
the
> : FAQ about how to increase the speed and, among other commands, it says:
> :
> : "Give the following command to the file receiver:
> :       SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000  ; (or other length)"
> :
> : How do I get to the "file receiver" to type in the command?  Do I need
to
> : compile my own version and specify these commands in a file somewhere?
> :
> What is your terminal emulator?
>
> : For your info:  The server has an external Multi-Tech 33.6 multi-modem
and I
> : am connecting with a 56k USR sportster.
> :
> In this case you can't use streaming because it's not a reliable
connection
> so, as you have inferred, the only way to boost the speed is to tell the
> file receive to use bigger packets.  How to do that (or whether it's
possible)
> depends on what software it is.
>
> - Frank
>
>


So far I have only tried Win98's Hyperterminal.  Should I try something
different? If so, any recommendations?  preferrably cheap!

Thanks



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: gkermit speed
Date: 30 Dec 1999 20:24:27 GMT
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In article <s6ne6vun5k259@corp.supernews.com>,
DGlenn <d_glenn@excite.com> wrote:
: ...
: So far I have only tried Win98's Hyperterminal.  Should I try something
: different? If so, any recommendations?  preferrably cheap!
: 
Obviously we recommend Kermit 95 for Windows 9x/NT.  Kermit implementations
in third-party software like Hyperterminal are unknown to us, whereas we
wrote Kermit 95 ourselves and can support it.

As a general rule, however, third-party Kermit implementations are minimal,
perfunctory, slow, and sometimes buggy, occasionally even totally
nonfunctional.

- Frank

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From: escargo@mirage.skypoint.com (David S Cargo)
Subject: Re: Announcing G-Kermit 1.00
Date: 28 Dec 1999 16:03:56 GMT
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <848l49$pdr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>
>G-Kermit 1.00 is released.  The web page is:
>
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html
>
>For those who missed the Beta test, G-Kermit is small, fast, and
>portable Kermit protocol implementation for UNIX released under
>the GPL.
>

Sounds good.  I had to read down to section 14. Design and Implementation
Notes before I found out WHY there was a G-Kermit (I somehow overlooked
the beta test announcements).  It sounds like years (if not decades) of
experience in what works and what doesn't, and what's necessary and what
isn't have gone into selected the necessary features.

David S. Cargo



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From: awouk@syzygy.nilenet.com (Arthur Wouk)
Subject: c-kermit for solaris 2.6 and beyond?
Organization: NileNET, Ltd.
Message-ID: <_zfb4.1545$wv4.220358@den-news1.rmi.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 04:41:30 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

the files contain nothing beyond solaris 2.5.1. before upgrading to
2.6 (easily made y2k compliant) is would like to have a functioning
c-kermit for the new setup. is there place where the new beta
distribution is available for this os?

-- 
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conformity in order to protect  the capitalist upper classes from interference
by the masses. -  noam chomsky
	to send me email, remove 'syzygy.' from my address

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: c-kermit for solaris 2.6 and beyond?
Date: 1 Jan 2000 14:44:52 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <_zfb4.1545$wv4.220358@den-news1.rmi.net>,
Arthur Wouk <awouk@syzygy.nilenet.com> wrote:
: the files contain nothing beyond solaris 2.5.1. before upgrading to
: 2.6 (easily made y2k compliant) is would like to have a functioning
: c-kermit for the new setup. is there place where the new beta
: distribution is available for this os?
: 
Of course Solaris 2.6 came out after C-Kermit 6.0, so C-Kermit 6.0 does
not support Solaris 2.6.  But C-Kermit 7.0 does -- it's in Beta but will
be released shortly:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html

- Frank

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From: Clarence Dold <dold@yellow.rahul.net>
Subject: Re: c-kermit for solaris 2.6 and beyond?
Date: 1 Jan 2000 20:33:24 GMT
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Arthur Wouk <awouk@syzygy.nilenet.com> wrote:
: the files contain nothing beyond solaris 2.5.1. before upgrading to
: 2.6 (easily made y2k compliant) is would like to have a functioning

I was using the Solaris version of the 7.0 beta, on Solaris 2.6,
Ultra1,5,10, with Y2k patches.  I fetched the pre-built binary from
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/cku196b11.solaris26-sparc
See http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html for source code.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
Date: 1 Jan 2000 22:51:55 GMT
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In article <010100173225not-2-disclose@the.net>,
 <not-2-disclose@the.net> wrote:
: ...  Most unfortunately, `Kermit' doesn't included the
: `ZMoDem' file transfer protocol (with control-character escaping & all);
: making it less than "complete", somewhat.  I would welcome postings from
: people who happen to be doing fine `ZMoDem'/`Kermit' transfers using no
: more than the minimum setup i described above.  I tried a lot of packet
: drivers and ~TelNet~ "shims" but nothing goes beyond D/L cps rates of a
: mere 9k6/19K2 bps connection.
:
Kermit protocol is is a fast as Zmodem if both Kermit partners support
a fairly decent implementation of it.  Most non-Kermit-Project Kermit
implementations do not.  Of course a 4.77MHz CPU would also be a bottleneck
but that's true for Zmodem too.

: I discovered that i could access my ~POP3~ server on ~IP~ port #25 but
: `Kermit' is the only program not to allow me such access if i try!  Why?
: 
MS-DOS Kermit blocks connections to port 25 to prevent mail spoofing.

: In the same way that i found ~TelNet~ can be made usefull for doing a
: lot of InterNet stuff, i have written a small set of `Kermit' scripts to
: read the ~News Groups~ "On-Line".  The problem here is that my postings
: are reformated somehow and i also have trouble with some kind of "memory
: low" error (too many routines accumulate or something like that).  Would
: somebody be kind enough to look at the following set of macros and tell
: me what i'm doing wrong???  So far, i already found that some characters
: pose a problem when found at the end of the line;  "dash" is one...
: 
Dash at the end of a line means the line is continued.

- Frank

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From: not-2-disclose@the.net
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
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Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 22:45:24 GMT
Organization: Sympatico
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hi everybody,

I introduce myself, i'm a DOS_InterNet user and spent about the last two
years lurking/participating to the same-name echo of the `FidoNet'
amateur messaging network.

Since the last four years or so i looked for DOS INet FreeWare/ShareWare
programs in hope that i'd get my hands on some piece of software which
can be run even on a minimum setup, meaning:

- 8088 4,77 Mhz ~CPU~
- 640 Kb ~RAM~ memory (512 Kb if possible!)
- No Hard-Disk
- Two 5.25"/360 Kb diskette drives or a single 3.5"/720 Kb unit
- A crude 8250 ~UART~ serial-port
- A V.42Bis MoDem or better (i tied up an external 56K MoDem to a 8088!)
- DOS v3.3 (v3.0 compatibility would be fine but not required)

[...]

I have three topics in mind today:


*1*

I am trying to have some working `ZMoDem' and/or `Kermit' file transfer
protocols for when accessing ~TelNet~ BBSes.  To upgrade the hardware or
to switch to protocols like ~FTP~/~HTTP~ *IS NOT* an option.  `MS-Kermit
v3.16' is the best thing i seen, so far.  It can outperform practically
any DOS ~BIOS INT-14~ and/or ~FOSSIL~-capable terminal emulator i could
find because it INTEGRATES the packet-driver interface, AND the ~TelNet~
protocol as well...  Most unfortunately, `Kermit' doesn't included the
`ZMoDem' file transfer protocol (with control-character escaping & all);
making it less than "complete", somewhat.  I would welcome postings from
people who happen to be doing fine `ZMoDem'/`Kermit' transfers using no
more than the minimum setup i described above.  I tried a lot of packet
drivers and ~TelNet~ "shims" but nothing goes beyond D/L cps rates of a
mere 9k6/19K2 bps connection.  If only i were able to DownLoad some .ZIP
files at over 1K cps or so using a ~TelNet~ "shim" that can be "shared"
between `Kermit' and an external `ZMoDem' protocol, euh...  i guess that
would be a good enough.  Any idea?!  I saw fragmented informations about
the DOS Novell ~NASI~ v3.03k interface, what about it?  :^o  I tried all
these ~TelNet~ "shims" so far:  `INT14', `Net14', `TCPPort', `TelAPI',
`TNGlass' (`RLFossil' too but it's not for 8088/8086 machines)...  Isn't
there any MS-DOS `Kermit' update in preparation that will offer `ZMoDem'
file transfer capability?!  8^o


*2*

I discovered that i could access my ~POP3~ server on ~IP~ port #25 but
`Kermit' is the only program not to allow me such access if i try!  Why?


*3*

In the same way that i found ~TelNet~ can be made usefull for doing a
lot of InterNet stuff, i have written a small set of `Kermit' scripts to
read the ~News Groups~ "On-Line".  The problem here is that my postings
are reformated somehow and i also have trouble with some kind of "memory
low" error (too many routines accumulate or something like that).  Would
somebody be kind enough to look at the following set of macros and tell
me what i'm doing wrong???  So far, i already found that some characters
pose a problem when found at the end of the line;  "dash" is one...

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::[ MSKermit.INI ]:
CLS
SET FILE TYPE BINARY
SET FILE COLLISION RENAME                ; or APPEND
;SET FILE COLLISION NO-SUPERSEDE         ; is this prone to the Y2K bug?
SET PARITY NONE
SET BLOCK-CHECK-TYPE 3
SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 6608
SET WINDOW 5                             ; or 32 (max.)
SET LOCAL OFF
SET PROMPT Kermit>
SET TERM ANSI
SET TERM CURSOR BLOCK
SET DISPLAY REGULAR 8-BIT
;

; TCP/IP - TelNet section
;
SET TCP/IP PACKET-DRIVER-INTERRUPT \x60  ; or ODI if `LWP4DOS' instead?
;
SET CONTROL UNPREFIXED ALL               ; It's to enhance the D/Ls.
SET CONTROL PREFIXED 0 1 129             ;
;
SET FLOW NONE                            ; Because TCP/IP is used...
;
; N.B.:
;
; Using ® BOOTP ¯ via `EPPPD' should work but sometimes it doesn't;  so,
; i found that a few DOS environement variables can be helpfull here...
;
SET TCP/IP ADDRESS \$(MYIP)              ; Those DOS environement
SET TCP/IP GATEWAY \$(REMIP)             ;  variables are defined thru
SET TCP/IP SUBNETMASK \$(NETMASK)        ;  IP-UP.BAT (made by `EPPPD').
SET TCP/IP DOMAIN \$(DOMAIN)             ; Some more DOS environement
SET TCP/IP PRIMARY-NAMESERVER \$(DNS1)   ;  variables need be defined in
SET TCP/IP SECONDARY-NAMESERVER \$(DNS2) ;  YOUR own .BAT command-file.
;

; Syntaxt:  "News"
;           "News comp.protocols.kermit.misc"
;           "News demon.ip.support.pc capture.log"
;
; N.B.:  a) 4 of the NG macro-keys are located on the NUMERICAL keypad.
;        b) Some older hardware may have to use different scan-codes;
;           the "SET KEY" command helps finding a scan-code replacement,
;           the same may be true of the 4 other macro-key combinations.
;
DEF News SET PORT TCP/IP news1.qc.sympatico.ca 119 VT100, - ; ~NNTP~
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT100, PAUSE 0, IF FAIL END, -         ; server.
IF NOT DEF \%1 DEF \%1 demon.ip.support.pc, -            ; Default
ASSIGN _Group \%1, -                                     ; News Group.
:ChkGroup, ECHO News Group:  \M(_Group)\10, -            ; Validate the
ASK _Reply {Is this correct? }, -                        ; News Group
IF EQU {\FSUBSTR(\M(_Reply),1,1)} {Y} GOTO GotGroup, -   ; with user's
ASK _Group {News Group: }, GOTO ChkGroup, -              ; acknowledge.
:GotGroup, -                                             ; News Group
DEF _LogFile News.CAP, -                                 ; is OKay, set
IF DEF \%2 ASSIGN _LogFile \%2, -                        ; log (capture)
PAUSE 1, OUTPUT Group \M(_Group)\13, CONNECT             ; file-name.
;
SET KEY \330 \KLast       ; Press the num. [Minus] key   ; Show previous
DEF Last IF DEF _Group OUTPUT Last\{13}Head\13, -        ; article
IF NOT DEF _Group OUTPUT \45, CONNECT                    ; heading.
;
SET KEY \334 \KNext       ; Press the num. [Plus] key    ; Show next
DEF Next IF DEF _Group OUTPUT Next\{13}Head\13, -        ; article
IF NOT DEF _Group OUTPUT \43, CONNECT                    ; heading.
;
SET KEY \4365 \KBody      ; Press the num. [Enter] key   ; Read
DEF Body IF DEF _Group OUTPUT Body, OUTPUT \13, CONNECT  ; the article.
;
SET KEY \338 \KGetNews    ; Press the num. [Insert] key  ; Save article:
DEF GetNews IF NOT DEF _Group GOTO SkipSave,-            ; the heading
LOG SESSION \M(_LogFile) APPEND, -                       ; and the text
OUTPUT Article\13, INPUT 3600 \13\{10}.\13\10, -         ; to log-file.
CLOSE SESSION, -                                         ; Press a key
:SkipSave, IF NOT DEF _Group OUTPUT \338, CONNECT        ; to quit.
;
SET KEY \2351 \KView      ; Press the [Alt]+[V] keys     ; Run external
DEF View RUN List.COM, CONNECT                           ; viewer.
;
SET KEY \2322 \KEdit      ; Press the [Alt]+[E] keys     ; Run external
DEF Edit RUN Edit.EXE, CONNECT                           ; editor.
;
SET KEY \2329 \KPost      ; Press the [Alt]+[P] keys     ; Write & post
DEF Post IF NOT DEF _EMail GOTO GetAddr, -               ; an article.
:ChkAddr, ECHO E-Mail address:  \M(_EMail)\10, -         ; Get E-Mail
ASK _Reply {Is this correct? }, -                        ; address and
IF EQU {\FSUBSTR(\M(_Reply),1,1)} {Y} GOTO AddrOK, -     ; validate by
:GetAddr, ASK _EMail {E-Mail address: }, GOTO ChkAddr, - ; acknowledge.
:AddrOK, ASSIGN _Year$ \FSUBSTR(\V(NDate),5,2)-          ; Prepare the
\FSUBSTR(\V(NDate),7,2)\FSUBSTR(\V(NDate),3,2), -        ; header's
ASSIGN _NTime$ \FSUBSTR(\V(Time),1,2)-                   ; data.
\FSUBSTR(\V(Time),4,2)\FSUBSTR(\V(Time),7,2), -          ;
OPEN WRITE EMail.TXT, WRITE FILE From: \M(_EMail), -     ; Write the
WRITE FILE \13\{10}Date: \V(Date) \V(Time) EST-          ; new article's
\13\10, WRITE FILE Newsgroups: \M(_Group)\13\10, -       ; header and
WRITE FILE Subject:\13\10, WRITE FILE Message-ID: -      ; footer.
<\M(_Year$)\M(_NTime$)\M(_EMail)>\13\10\13\10-           ;
\13\10.\13\10, CLOSE WRITE, RUN Edit.EXE EMail.TXT, -    ; Edit message.
OUTPUT Post\13, PAUSE 2, ASCII Email.TXT, CONNECT        ; Send message.

SET KEY \2334 \KASCII     ; Press the [Alt]+[A] keys     ; ASCII UpLoad.
DEF ASCII IF NOT DEF \%1 GOTO GetFName, -                ; Verify that a
ASSIGN _FName \%1, GOTO FNameOK, -                       ; file-name was
:ChkFName, ECHO File to send:  \M(_FName)\10, -          ; given and get
ASK _Reply {Is this correct? }, -                        ; one if it was
IF EQU {\FSUBSTR(\M(_Reply),1,1)} {Y} GOTO FNameOK, -    ; not...
:GetFName, ASK _FName {File to send: }, GOTO ChkFName, - ; Validate with
:FNameOK, IF NOT EXIST \M(_FName) GOTO GetFName, -       ; acknowledge &
OPEN READ \M(_FName), -                                  ; check that it
:NewLine, -                                              ; does exists.
DEF ChrIndex 1, READ OneLine, IF FAIL GOTO EndType, -    ; Set pointers,
ASSIGN LineEnd \FLENGTH(\M(OneLine)), -                  ; get one line.
INCREMENT LineEnd, - ;GOTO Scan, -                       ; <- THIS is a
SET OUTPUT PACING 2, OUTPUT \M(OneLine), MSLEEP 10, -    ; short & easy
OUTPUT \13, MSLEEP 15, XECHO \10, MSLEEP 45, -           ; macro - jump
IF FAIL STOP 1 * User abort! *, GOTO NewLine, -          ; to this line
:Scan, -                                                 ; <- HERE for
SLEEP 0, IF FAIL STOP 1 * User abort! *, -               ; sending text
IF < \M(ChrIndex) \M(LineEnd) GOTO NewChr, -             ; *1* character
OUTPUT \13, GOTO NewLine, -                              ; at a time...
:NewChr, -                                               ; Initialize
DEF Out$, -                                              ; sub-routine.
ASSIGN \%c \FCODE(\FSUBSTR(\M(OneLine),\M(ChrIndex),1)), - ;
IF = \%c 32 ASSIGN Out$ OUTPUT { }, -                    ; Send output
IF NOT DEF Out$ ASSIGN Out$ OUTPUT \\{D\%c}, -           ; and look for
Out$, INCREMENT ChrIndex, GOTO Scan, -                   ; exceptions...
:EndType, -                                              ; Text-file has
CLOSE READ                                               ; been sent.
;

; To avoid typing long SET PORT TCP/IP commands, define a macro for each
; host you usually connect to.  Type the defined name to connect to it!
;

DEF Doc SET PORT TCP/IP bbs.docsplace.org 23 ANSI, -     ; ANSI allows
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE ANSI, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT   ; some drawing.
DEF Juxta SET PORT TCP/IP juxtaposition.dynip.com 23 ANSI, - ; Those two
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE ANSI, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT       ; Relayeurs
DEF Mysteria SET PORT TCP/IP mysteria.dynip.com 23 ANSI, - ; are carying
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE ANSI, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT   ; Canada-Media.
DEF Juge SET PORT TCP/IP juge.com 23 ANSI, -             ; This place is
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE ANSI, SET TELNET NEWLINE RAW, -     ; excellent for
PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT                              ; Kermit D/Ls!
;
DEF BCN SET PORT TCP/IP bcn.boulder.co.us 23 VT220, -    ; Those ® WEB ¯
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT220, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT  ; "TelNettable"
DEF Sailor SET PORT TCP/IP sailor.lib.md.us 23 VT220, -  ; browsers do
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT220, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT  ; ® FTP ¯ also.
DEFINE TRFN SET PORT TCP/IP trfn.clpgh.org 23 VT220, -   ; All of them
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT220, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT  ; got `Kermit'.
;
DEF IRC SET PORT TCP/IP 193.49.200.149 6677 VT100, -     ; VT100 _IS_
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT100, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT  ; needed here.
;
DEF AirPower SET PORT TCP/IP airpower.dynip.com 23 ANSI, - ; Now added a
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE ANSI, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT     ; WEB BBS...
;
DEFINE BBSWorld SET PORT TCP/IP bbs.bbsworld.com 23 ANSI, - ;
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE ANSI, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT      ;
;
DEFINE ConChBBS SET PORT TCP/IP conchbbs.com 23 ANSI, -  ;
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE ANSI, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT   ;
;
DEFINE CyberSpace SET PORT TCP/IP cyberspace.org 23 ANSI, - ;
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE ANSI, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT      ;
;
DEFINE LoneStar SET PORT TCP/IP sdf.lonestar.org 23 ANSI, - ;
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE ANSI, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT      ;
;
DEF NightMare SET PORT TCP/IP 206.106.145.5 23 ANSI, -   ; A WC-5 BBS...
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE ANSI, SET BLOCK 2, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT ;
;
DEFINE SStar SET PORT TCP/IP sstar.com 23 ANSI, -        ;
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE ANSI, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT   ;
;
DEFINE TFhBBS SET PORT TCP/IP tfhbbs.trends.ca 23 ANSI, - ;
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE ANSI, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT    ;
;
DEFINE ToltBBS SET PORT TCP/IP toltbbs.com 23 ANSI, -    ;
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE ANSI, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT   ;
;
DEFINE UnNamedBBS SET PORT TCP/IP unnamedbbs.com 23 ANSI, - ;
SET TELNET TERM-TYPE ANSI, PAUSE 0, IF SUCCESS CONNECT      ;
;

SHOW NET
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::[ EOF ]:

[...]

Thanks for your attention reading me.  Happy new millenium!...  8-)

Michel Samson


P.S.:  I'm new to this media;  will somebody tell me the real dangers
of disclosing my ~E-Mail~ address and the ways to defeat them?


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
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Date: 1 Jan 00 19:00:06 MDT
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <010100173225not-2-disclose@the.net>, not-2-disclose@the.net writes:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I introduce myself, i'm a DOS_InterNet user and spent about the last two
> years lurking/participating to the same-name echo of the `FidoNet'
> amateur messaging network.
> 
> Since the last four years or so i looked for DOS INet FreeWare/ShareWare
> programs in hope that i'd get my hands on some piece of software which
> can be run even on a minimum setup, meaning:
> 
> - 8088 4,77 Mhz ~CPU~
> - 640 Kb ~RAM~ memory (512 Kb if possible!)
> - No Hard-Disk
> - Two 5.25"/360 Kb diskette drives or a single 3.5"/720 Kb unit
> - A crude 8250 ~UART~ serial-port
> - A V.42Bis MoDem or better (i tied up an external 56K MoDem to a 8088!)
> - DOS v3.3 (v3.0 compatibility would be fine but not required)
>
	486 and Pentium motherboards are basically free for the asking
from just about everywhere, memory included.
 
> [...]
> 
> I have three topics in mind today:
> 
> 
> *1*
> 
> I am trying to have some working `ZMoDem' and/or `Kermit' file transfer
> protocols for when accessing ~TelNet~ BBSes.  To upgrade the hardware or
> to switch to protocols like ~FTP~/~HTTP~ *IS NOT* an option.  `MS-Kermit
	
	If running under DOS then 640KB is the program space. However,
MSK can and will use memory above 1MB to store terminal emulation rollback
screens, and that will not be available on 808x machines. Similarly parts
of DOS can be loaded above 640KB on newer hardware. Step up to 386 and above
for that.
	The serial ports in old hardware might well be superior to those
in today's motherboards because they were the real UARTs rather than a
near approximation in a big square chip. The 16550A variety are good for
high speed; the 8250 kind can't cope well at high speed.

> v3.16' is the best thing i seen, so far.  It can outperform practically
> any DOS ~BIOS INT-14~ and/or ~FOSSIL~-capable terminal emulator i could
> find because it INTEGRATES the packet-driver interface, AND the ~TelNet~
> protocol as well...

	It's not because it is integrated, so much, as because the MSK code
is designed to be swift. There is a difference.

  Most unfortunately, `Kermit' doesn't included the
> `ZMoDem' file transfer protocol (with control-character escaping & all);

	Correct. Nor any plans to introduce it. As Frank commented, the
Kermit protocol is just as fast and a lot more robust and clever than
x/y/zmodem protocols.

> making it less than "complete", somewhat.  I would welcome postings from
> people who happen to be doing fine `ZMoDem'/`Kermit' transfers using no
> more than the minimum setup i described above.  I tried a lot of packet
> drivers and ~TelNet~ "shims" but nothing goes beyond D/L cps rates of a
> mere 9k6/19K2 bps connection.  If only i were able to DownLoad some .ZIP
> files at over 1K cps or so using a ~TelNet~ "shim" that can be "shared"
> between `Kermit' and an external `ZMoDem' protocol, euh...

	That's not to be. That bunch of protocol material is far beyond
being a "shim." The intrinsic speed of MSK is basically set by the cpu
in the machine. We've tested it to half a MB/sec over regular Ethernet
as full Kermit protocol file transfers with a 100MHz Pentium processor.
The same code, minus the lan driver part, is used with serial connections,
and we know serial data is vastly slower on the telco wires than Ethernet. 
Thus MSK is not the bottleneck. The cpu part is a problem at 4.77MHz, however,
when using serial ports because there are not enough cycles to do much. So
again, grab a surplus motherboard.
	With a more modern motherboard you can also consider the higher
speed serial comms now available in many areas. To Kermit those are all
very very slow and thus not a problem for Kermit to keep up with.

>  i guess that
> would be a good enough.  Any idea?!  I saw fragmented informations about
> the DOS Novell ~NASI~ v3.03k interface, what about it?  :^o  I tried all
> these ~TelNet~ "shims" so far:  `INT14', `Net14', `TCPPort', `TelAPI',
> `TNGlass' (`RLFossil' too but it's not for 8088/8086 machines)...  Isn't
> there any MS-DOS `Kermit' update in preparation that will offer `ZMoDem'
> file transfer capability?!  8^o

	Forget the network terminal server stuff (NASI et al) and related
shims. They are way beyond what you are dealing with and yield no advantage.
 
> 
> *2*
> 
> I discovered that i could access my ~POP3~ server on ~IP~ port #25 but
> `Kermit' is the only program not to allow me such access if i try!  Why?
>
	By design, to help supress forged email. 
> 
> *3*
> 
> In the same way that i found ~TelNet~ can be made usefull for doing a
> lot of InterNet stuff, i have written a small set of `Kermit' scripts to
> read the ~News Groups~ "On-Line".  The problem here is that my postings
> are reformated somehow and i also have trouble with some kind of "memory
> low" error (too many routines accumulate or something like that).  Would
> somebody be kind enough to look at the following set of macros and tell
> me what i'm doing wrong???  So far, i already found that some characters
> pose a problem when found at the end of the line;  "dash" is one...
> 
> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::[ MSKermit.INI ]:
> CLS
> SET FILE TYPE BINARY
> SET FILE COLLISION RENAME                ; or APPEND
> ;SET FILE COLLISION NO-SUPERSEDE         ; is this prone to the Y2K bug?
> SET PARITY NONE
> SET BLOCK-CHECK-TYPE 3
> SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 6608
> SET WINDOW 5                             ; or 32 (max.)

	Window sizes greater than 2 or 3 are useful only on long delay
high speed paths (long fat pipes). Otherwise one is just wasting memory.

> SET LOCAL OFF
> SET PROMPT Kermit>
> SET TERM ANSI
> SET TERM CURSOR BLOCK
> SET DISPLAY REGULAR 8-BIT
> ;
> 
> ; TCP/IP - TelNet section
> ;
> SET TCP/IP PACKET-DRIVER-INTERRUPT \x60  ; or ODI if `LWP4DOS' instead?
> ;
> SET CONTROL UNPREFIXED ALL               ; It's to enhance the D/Ls.
> SET CONTROL PREFIXED 0 1 129             ;
> ;
> SET FLOW NONE                            ; Because TCP/IP is used...
> ;
> ; N.B.:
> ;
> ; Using ® BOOTP ¯ via `EPPPD' should work but sometimes it doesn't;  so,
> ; i found that a few DOS environement variables can be helpfull here...
> ;
> SET TCP/IP ADDRESS \$(MYIP)              ; Those DOS environement
> SET TCP/IP GATEWAY \$(REMIP)             ;  variables are defined thru
> SET TCP/IP SUBNETMASK \$(NETMASK)        ;  IP-UP.BAT (made by `EPPPD').
> SET TCP/IP DOMAIN \$(DOMAIN)             ; Some more DOS environement
> SET TCP/IP PRIMARY-NAMESERVER \$(DNS1)   ;  variables need be defined in
> SET TCP/IP SECONDARY-NAMESERVER \$(DNS2) ;  YOUR own .BAT command-file.
> ;
> 
> ; Syntaxt:  "News"
> ;           "News comp.protocols.kermit.misc"
> ;           "News demon.ip.support.pc capture.log"
> ;
> ; N.B.:  a) 4 of the NG macro-keys are located on the NUMERICAL keypad.
> ;        b) Some older hardware may have to use different scan-codes;
> ;           the "SET KEY" command helps finding a scan-code replacement,
> ;           the same may be true of the 4 other macro-key combinations.
> ;

	Below, there is a problem. The line continuation character - is one
only if it is the last character on a line. Your trailing spaces and comments
make that not true.

> DEF News SET PORT TCP/IP news1.qc.sympatico.ca 119 VT100, - ; ~NNTP~
> SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT100, PAUSE 0, IF FAIL END, -         ; server.
> IF NOT DEF \%1 DEF \%1 demon.ip.support.pc, -            ; Default
        ...

	Joe D.

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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
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Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 06:41:32 GMT
Organization: Sympatico
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hi Frank,
Hi everybody,

MS> Most unfortunately, `Kermit' doesn't include the `ZMoDem' file
MS> transfer protocol (with control-character escaping & all)...
FDC> Kermit protocol is is a fast as Zmodem if both Kermit partners
FDC> support a fairly decent implementation of it.  Most non-Kermit
FDC> -Project Kermit implementations do not.  Of course a 4.77MHz CPU
FDC> would also be a bottleneck but that's true for Zmodem too.

The differences seem to be enhanced in some interresting way, in extreme
testing conditions...  Many months ago, i tried a number of things on a
"legacy" (old) `GridCase II' 8088 4,77 Mhz PC (equiped with only 512 Kb
~RAM~ memory and one 3.5"/720 Kb diskette drive, a 8250-like ~UART~ and
an external MoDem which reported a computer-MoDem "CONNECT" rate of 9K6
bps.  At the time, the only working solution which i found was to load a
packet-driver called `EPPPd.EXE v0.6 Beta' (from the `DOSPPPd' package);
then to load `Kermit' on top of that - DOS was v3.30, for lightliness...
At the time, i got .ZIP-file DownLoads of about 431 cps (D/L to a remote
~RAMDisk~ via `InterLink' - i.e. no writes to a slow mechanical device).
I found no equivalent `ZMoDem'-equiped terminal emulation program that
would have been able of doing the same, at the time, and i doubt it will
ever happen.  Since 431 cps as a bare minimum may seem to be a promising
prospect when one considers using a somewhat better hardware (i.e. 16550
~UART~, 640 Kb ~RAM~ memory), euh...  i must confess i'd be very curious
to see "de facto" how fast a "fairly decent implementation" of `ZMoDem'
would get.  I know too well how `Kermit's DIRECT packet-driver interface
can help, i wish i had the same for doing `ZMoDem' transfers.  Since it
is often said the later should run as fast as `Kermit', i suppose that
it might attain a reasonable-enough rate, enough to be able to get/send
message packets to/from BBSes!  My question is this:  since `Kermit' is
most probably amongst THE LAST PROGRAMS OF ITS KIND to have remained in
*ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT*, lately;  since the latest `Win 9x' version already
integrates the `ZMoDem' file transfer protocol, euh...  would you happen
to be aware of any project related to the development of a future MS-DOS
`Kermit' version that will integrate the `ZMoDem' protocol as well?  :^)

[...]

MS> I discovered that i could access my ~POP3~ server on ~IP~ port #25
MS> but `Kermit' is the only program not to allow me such access...
FDC> MS-DOS Kermit blocks connections to port 25 to prevent mail
FDC> spoofing.

Oups!  Actually, my notes tell me this would be my ~SMTP~ server...  %*)
I may have to check about ~IP~ port #110 and ~POP~ server.  %*o  Anyway.

Mail "spoofing"???  Hummm...  Seen from here, it sounds almost as bad as
"Spaming".  I'm afraid i don't know what mail "spoofing" is as of yet...
One thing i know is that i can read/write ~E-Mails~ with `{Commo}' so if
that's all a mail "spoofer" requires, then, euh...  i guess the bad guys
are still free to operate and me i still have to use a separate program
just for the ~E-Mail~ part.  Can i be "spoofing" without knowing?!?  8-o

[...]

MS> In the same way that i found ~TelNet~ can be made usefull for doing
MS> a lot of InterNet stuff, i have written a small set of `Kermit'
MS> scripts to read the ~News Groups~ "On-Line".  The problem here is
MS> that my postings are reformated somehow...  ...i already found that
MS> some characters pose a problem when found at the end of the line...
FDC> Dash at the end of a line means the line is continued.

Yes, i had that one figured out but what if i need to write a line in my
article which does end with an hyphen indeed?!  Isn't there any function
for sending a one-byte character which can be 1 out of the 256 possible
values?...  Something like "OutPut$ \m(_DecValue)" where a user variable
would determine what character is going to be output, directly, with no
interference?...  8-o  I tried "Transmit" but it won't do and "OutPut"
refuses to send some characters if they are not expressed directly, in
decimal, from the script's command-line - no variable works.  %-o  Also,
i can't have paragraph idents with the actual setup and i don't know how
or why they get striped in the 1st place...  Finally, there's this "TOO
MANY ACTIVE TAKE FILES AND MACROS" thing;  i think i must be terminating
macros incorrectly but i fail to see how.  %-)  A hint, anybody?...  8*)

Please!  8-o  Help!...  ;-)

[...]

Thanks very much Frank for the attention you paid reading me.  :)  I met
`Kermit', for the first time, around 1991 when i came to buy my Hewlett
Packard `HP-48' calculator and that many years later i can see why they
chose that particular file transfer protocol!  Heck, i sometimes attain
a rate of almost 4K cps with my 386-16 Mhz PC in a ~TelNet~ session and
i never get better than about 3K5 cps with `ZMoDem', in a "DialUp" one!
Who would have known!  I couldn't suspect i'd be using the same `Kermit'
terminal/protocol (after some up-grades passed), when i'd finally start
using it in ~TelNet~ sessions, years later!  Talk about longevity!  8-)

Long live `Kermit'!!!

:-)

As i witness that kind of *performance*, i wish `ZMoDem' were included
into `MS-Kermit' because that one, surely, would be made equally great
as well!  Isn't there any chance we can see this happen in the future?

:^o

Mmmm?...

8^)

Anyway, i wish you well!  Have fun, have a very nice New-Year time!  :-)

Michel Samson


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
Date: 2 Jan 2000 17:49:50 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <010200013343not-2-disclose@the.net>,
 <not-2-disclose@the.net> wrote:
: ...
: *ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT*, lately;  since the latest `Win 9x' version already
: integrates the `ZMoDem' file transfer protocol, euh...  would you happen
: to be aware of any project related to the development of a future MS-DOS
: `Kermit' version that will integrate the `ZMoDem' protocol as well?  :^)
: 
No.  In Windows we do not have a 640K address-space limit.  Anyway, this
is the *Kermit* Project.

: Finally, there's this "TOO
: MANY ACTIVE TAKE FILES AND MACROS" thing;  i think i must be terminating
: macros incorrectly but i fail to see how.  %-)  A hint, anybody?...  8*)
: 
You can't expect a tiny program in a restricted memory space to be able
to do big things.

The business about line continuation in data files...  This has been
discussed before, but quite honestly I don't recall the outcome.  When
MS-DOS Kermit is using OPEN and READ to get data from a file, it should 
not treat '-' as a continuation character, as it does when executing
commands from a file, but I know it did at one time; this might have been
fixed in 3.15 or 3.16.

- Frank

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Subject: Announcing C-Kermit 7.0
Date: 3 Jan 2000 22:03:11 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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C-Kermit 7.0 is a new release of C-Kermit communications software for UNIX
(all versions), VMS, VOS, QNX, OS-9, Plan 9, AOS/VS, and other platforms.
It replaces C-Kermit 6.0 of September 1996.  If you have Web access, you can
skip the rest of this message and go here:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html

for a more complete presentation, complete with download links.

The major new features of C-Kermit 7.0 include:

A new license
  o Allows inclusion of C-Kermit with Free UNIX distributions

Making and Using Connections
  o Internet Kermit Service Daemon (IKSD) - client and server
  o Kerberos IV, Kerberos V, SRP, and SSL/TLS security
  o HTTP client commands
  o A new and improved Telnet protocol engine
  o TELNET protocol option debugging
  o Support for IBM AIXLink/X.25
  o Connections via external programs like ssh or tn3270
  o PPP dialing in UNIX
  o Give multiple phone numbers to the DIAL command
  o New support for 8 data bits + parity on serial connections
  o New ability to select number of stop bits on serial connections
  o Dialing improvements (10-digit dialing, blind dialing, PBXs, etc)
  o SET DIAL MACRO for last-minute phone number manipulations
  o 20 new built-in modem types
  o New all-purpose "generic-high-speed" modem type.
  o Higher serial speeds in VMS, IRIX, SCO, BSDI, Linux, . . .
  o Hardware flow control for more platforms

File Transfer and Management
  o FAST Kermit protocol settings are now the default
  o New streaming protocol for FTP-like speeds on reliable connections
  o Binary mode is now the default for file transfer, rather than text
  o File-transfer command switches (e.g. for file selection)
  o File-transfer pipes and filters
  o Automatic per-file text/binary mode switching (by name)
  o Transfer and preservation of file permissions
  o Ability to transfer directory trees even between unlike systems
  o Ability to move or rename each file after successful send or receive.
  o High-precision timers and statistics
  o New display and log formats
  o New options for coping with broken Kermit protocol partners

Character Sets
  o Automatic transfer/file character-set matching in file transfer.
  o Unicode / ISO-10646 Universal Character Set
  o Full conversion between Japanese character sets and Unicode
  o KOI8-R (Russian) and KOI8-U (Ukrainian) character sets
  o ISO 8859-7 Latin/Greek Alphabet (= ELOT 928)
  o ELOT 927 Greek, CP869 Greek code page
  o ISO 8859-15 Latin Alphabet 9 (includes Euro and OE)
  o Bulgaria-PC (code page)
  o Mazovia (Polish PC code page)
  o CP855 (Cyrillic PC code page)
  o CP858 (West European PC code page, includes Euro)
  o CP1250, 1251, 1252 (Windows code pages, include Euro)

Logs
  o New syslogging option for UNIX
  o New connection log
  o New brief transaction-log format option
  o New FTPD-like transaction-log format option
  o Time-critical debugging with millisecond timestamps.
  o Unbuffered transaction log (e.g. for UNIX "tail -f")

Script Programming
  o A new general-purpose file i/o package
  o Floating-point numbers and arithmetic
  o Associative arrays
  o Ability pass arguments to command files as well as macros
  o Pattern matching in the [M]INPUT command
  o Ability to pass more than ten arguments to a macro or command file
  o Expanded command buffer length to allow bigger macros, variables, etc.
  o Maximum number of macros increased.
  o New support for compound Boolean expressions.
  o "kerbang" scripts now take arguments from the command line.
  o New built-in Array operations: COPY, RESIZE, CLEAR, SET, SORT, ...
  o SEND an array as if it were a file
  o New SCREEN command for screen clearing & cursor positioning.
  o Date conversion functions (Julian dates, etc)
  o Timed ASK commands
  o New IF conditions
  o Automatic arrays
  o Array initializers
  o Assignment operators
  o New TRACE and SHOW STACK commands for debugging scripts.

New platforms
  o IRIX 6.2, 6.3, 6.4, and 6.5
  o AIX 4.2, 4.3 (including X.25)
  o DG/UX 5.4R4.11
  o Solaris 2.6 (including X.25 support)
  o Solaris 7
  o SCO OpenServer R5.0.0 through 5.0.5
  o SCO Unixware 7
  o HP-UX 10.01, 10.10, 10.20, 10.30, 11.00
  o Trusted HP-UX
  o Mac OS/X
  o OpenStep 4.2
  o Red Hat Linux 5.1 through 6.1
  o Slackware Linux 3.5 through 7.0
  o SuSE Linux 6.0
  o MkLinux DR3
  o New OpenBSD/NetBSD/FreeBSD versions
  o Siemens Nixdorf Reliant UNIX 5.43 and 5.44
  o Sequent DYNIX/ptx 4.4
  o Stratus VOS with TCP/IP and X.25 support
  o VMS 7.2

This is just a brief list; you can find more detail on the new C-Kermit
7.0 web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html

The complete story runs to more than 200 printed pages, and can be found in
the ckermit2.txt file, which is a supplement to Using C-Kermit, 2nd Edition,
until the new 3rd Edition is ready, probably about 6 months from now.

Thanks to the hundreds of people who contributed to the development and
testing of this new release over the past 3+ years, especially Jeffrey
Altman, Peter Eichhorn, Lucas Hart, Peter Mauzey, Fred Smith, Christian
Mondrup, Gerry Belanger, Clarence Dold, Graham Jenkins, William Bader,
Martin Whitaker, Nigel Roles, Dat Nguyen, Dragan Milicic, Steve Walton,
Nelson Beebe, JP Radley, Joe Doupnik, Ted T'so, and Carl Friend, with
apologies to anybody I forgot to list!

We have made and/or collected over 100 individual binaries so far; if you
can make any that are not listed as current on the web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html#bin

please let me know.

If you have any problems getting or using the new version, send email
to kermit-support@columbia.edu.

Frank da Cruz
The Kermit Project
Columbia University

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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
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Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 06:26:59 GMT
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Hi Frank,
Hi everybody,

MS> ...i'm a DOS_InterNet user...  ...i looked for DOS INet FreeWare/
MS> ShareWare programs in hope that i'd get my hands on some piece of
MS> software which can be run even on a minimum setup, meaning:  8088
MS> 4,77 Mhz ~CPU~  640 Kb ~RAM~ memory (512 Kb if possible!)  No Hard
MS> Disk  Two 5.25"/360 Kb diskette drives or a single 3.5"/720 Kb unit
MS> A crude 8250 ~UART~ serial-port  A V.42Bis MoDem or better (i tied
MS> up an external 56K MoDem to a 8088!)  DOS v3.3 (v3.0 compatibility
MS> would be fine but not required)  I am trying to have some working
MS> `ZMoDem' and/or `Kermit' file transfer protocols for when accessing
MS> ~TelNet~ BBSes.  To upgrade the hardware or to switch to protocols
MS> like ~FTP~/~HTTP~ *IS NOT* an option.  `MS-Kermit v3.16' is the best
MS> thing i seen, so far.  Most unfortunately, `Kermit' doesn't include
MS> the `ZMoDem' file transfer protocol (with control-character escaping
MS> & all)...  Isn't there any MS-DOS `Kermit' update in preparation...
MS> ...since the latest `Win 9x' version already integrates the `ZMoDem'
MS> file transfer protocol, euh...  would you happen to be aware of any
MS> project related to the development of a future MS-DOS `Kermit'
MS> version that will integrate the `ZMoDem' protocol as well?  :^)
FDC> No.  In Windows we do not have a 640K address-space limit.  Anyway,
FDC> this is the *Kermit* Project.

Euh...  "No", you don't happen to be aware of any project related to the
development of a future MS-DOS `Kermit' version that will integrate the
`ZMoDem' protocol?  Or does it mean that the `Kermit' project droped its
DOS component?  (Or `ZMoDem' is just a "bonus" feature for `Win' users?)
I'm sorry but i'm not sure what `Kermit' project is or is not, actually.

In any instance, can a user obtain the source-code of the latest/minimal
`Kermit' file transfer protocol (for inclusion into other programs)?...

MS> ...there's this "TOO MANY ACTIVE TAKE FILES AND MACROS" thing;  i
MS> think i must be terminating macros incorrectly...
FDC> You can't expect a tiny program in a restricted memory space to be
FDC> able to do big things.

Big things?!!  If it weren't for the lack of an integrated packet-driver
interface, an integrated ~TelNet~ protocol and a `Kermit' file transfer
protocol - in a program like `{Commo} v7.7' which uses less than 200 Kb
of ~RAM~ memory, in its actual form...  and, considering its *VERSATILE*
macro language, euh...  i guess that i'd have all i can dream of and i'd
be finished with implementing my On-Line ~NG~ reader in no time.  `Conex
v7.5' happens to integrate all these things but one:  it doesn't have a
comparable script/macro language...  (At least, it has a half-acceptable
implementation of the `ZMoDem' protocol)...  :o  In short, I DON'T THINK
THAT THE SUM OF THE BEST FEATURES FOUND IN ALL THOSE PROGRAMS REQUIRES A
BLOATED EXECUTABLE...  It's more like `Kermit' is complaining to me FOR
RUNNING ONE MACRO AFTER ANOTHER WITHOUT ME CLEARING THE UNUSED SPACE;  i
can't but just wonder how i'm supposed to prevent that kind of build up!

As for what's supposed to be a "restricted memory space", i've looked at
a number of possible solutions and memory requirements depend on the DOS
pilot ~PPP~ software (it may vary by almost 100 Kb, from the best to the
worst case)...  Amongst some others, i've noticed the driver files which
are found inside the Caldera `DR-WebSpyder' ShareWare archive, the Klos
`PPP-Share v1.4x' ShareWare archive and the `DOSPPPd v0.6 Beta' FreeWare
archive.  The 1st 2 packages both happen to be compatible with Novell's
`NetWare' DOS ~ODI~ environment;  `EPPPD'/`DOSPPPd' emulates the popular
`EtherNet'/Class-1 ~WatTCP~ interface.  Both interfaces are supported by
`Kermit v3.14+', the `NetWare' suite is the less memory-hungry of all...
Klos's ~PPP~ pilot is slightly bigger but it appeared to allow for 10 %
faster D/L rates.  :)  `EPPPD' isn't bad;  only, that one once gave me a
tough time when i tried to run it on a machine where there was an ~IRQ~
conflict.  Also, when it comes to using it on an `XT's which are equiped
with only a 8250 ~UART~, Klos `PPP' can be as bad as `EPPPD'...  I don't
know how the `NetWare' suite behaves in presence of a 8250 because the
8088 on which i made the test had an internal MoDem with its own 16550.
Euh...  Anyway.  %*o  Overall, memory consumption is approximately like
this - from the lightest to the heaviest:

LSL.COM (21/28 Kb), NCOMX.COM (11/12 Kb), NWRemote.COM (21/26 Kb).
EPPPD.EXE (66 Kb).
LSL.COM (21/28 Kb), Klos PPP.EXE (57/63 Kb).

Moreover, when you consider that i'm conducting my preliminary `Kermit'
macro tests on a 386 equiped with ~XMS~ memory management, euh...  and
considering that i still have some 260 Kb left of free ~RAM~ memory when
i type "Run Mem" at the `Kermit' command-line, euh...  8-o

Frankly, it's quite hard to see how i'd be in need of more memory here!!
If i may, i have this persistent impression that my problem comes from
within! - after `Kermit' has been loaded;  following a limited number of
macro-key presses!...  %-o  Each time i run one of my macros some more
memory is being gobled up and i just don't know how it can be released.

Help!

[...]

Again.  Thanks for your attention reading me.  :)

Michel Samson


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On 2000-01-01 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu(FrankdaCruz) said:


fd>: ...  Most unfortunately, `Kermit' doesn't included the
fd>: `ZMoDem' file transfer protocol (with control-character escaping
fd>& all); : making it less than "complete", somewhat.  I would
fd>welcome postings from : people who happen to be doing fine
fd>`ZMoDem'/`Kermit' transfers using no : more than the minimum setup
fd>i described above.  I tried a lot of packet : drivers and ~TelNet~
fd>"shims" but nothing goes beyond D/L cps rates of a : mere 9k6/19K2
fd>bps connection. :

fd>Kermit protocol is is a fast as Zmodem if both Kermit partners
fd>support a fairly decent implementation of it.  Most
fd>non-Kermit-Project Kermit implementations do not.  Of course a 4.
fd>77MHz CPU would also be a bottleneck but that's true for Zmodem too.

Zmodem is needed for two reasons.  1) Many BBS have crippled 'clones' of
the kermit protocol hard coded to 94 bytes per packet.  As per your own
website for Columbia Kermit the 'team' deciding to use 94 bytes as the
default install for many years has given many the impression that kermit
is _supposed_ to use 94 byte packets.  The 'WORD' is not getting out to
authors of BBS software.  2) Many BBS simply do not have a kermit transfer
and the owners are not knowledgeable enough to implement the C-Kermit config
files for an external kermit transfer (I know, I've tried and they just can't
do it). 8(

If MSKermit would allow access to it's TCP/IP stack via the 'int 14h' fossil
interface then zmodem could be added to MSKermit as an external protocol. 8)

fd>: I discovered that i could access my ~POP3~ server on ~IP~ port
fd>#25 but : `Kermit' is the only program not to allow me such access
fd>if i try!  Why? :

fd>MS-DOS Kermit blocks connections to port 25 to prevent mail
fd>spoofing.

What is "mail spoofing"?

Charles.Angelich


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Date: 4 Jan 2000 14:17:42 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <cRgc4.2429$S3.130329@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>,
 <cangel@famvid.com> wrote:
: ...
: Zmodem is needed for two reasons.  1) Many BBS have crippled 'clones' of
: the kermit protocol hard coded to 94 bytes per packet.  As per your own
: website for Columbia Kermit the 'team' deciding to use 94 bytes as the
: default install for many years has given many the impression that kermit
: is _supposed_ to use 94 byte packets.  The 'WORD' is not getting out to
: authors of BBS software.
:
It's not for lack of trying.  See, for example, the article on BBS's in
Kermit News #6:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html#bbs

: 2) Many BBS simply do not have a kermit transfer
: and the owners are not knowledgeable enough to implement the C-Kermit config
: files for an external kermit transfer (I know, I've tried and they just can't
: do it). 8(
: 
If you need help, just ask.

- Frank

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From: Gunter Steinbach <steinbac@labs.agilent.com>
Subject: msk315 vs. ckermit 7 question
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 10:14:42 -0700
Organization: Agilent Labs
Message-ID: <38722A81.C2949098@labs.agilent.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Hello Kermit Gurus:

I have just started using Kermit again to communicate between an HP48
calculator and a PC.  Things work just fine under Win95, using msk315 -
Kermit v.3.15 I suppose - as downloaded from hpcalc.org.  However for use
under Linux I downloaded the very latest CKermit 7 from columbia.edu, and it
does not work right.  The difference is, as near as I can tell, that the old
version jumps into the full-screen progress display as soon as I type
"server" or "receive" into it, whereas the new one waits a long time, and
goes to full screen only after a timeout.  By that time the calculator has
also timed out of trying and gives me an error.  But when I then try the
transfer again (either direction, initiated from the calculator), it works. 
So I assume the calculator with its surely minimal Kermit implementation
does not know how to put the remote Kermit into the transfer mode, but all
is well if it's aleeady in that mode.

So here is my question:  What can I do in my setup to make CKermit 7 behave
like teh old version 3, jumping to the transfer screen as soon as I locally
tell it "send", "receive", or "server"?

Background:
The calculator is an HP48S bought in 1992 or so.  The interface is 3-wire,
no handshake lines.
The DOS Kermit has no ini file (yet), I manually did set the COM port and
speed.
The Linux Kermit gets set up by ~/.kermrc
	robust
	set line /dev/cua1
	set speed 9600
	set file type bin
	set modem carr off
	set rec pack 94
	set send pack 94
	set window 5
	set control-character prefixed all

Thanks for any help.

P.S.:  I just downloaded GKermit and will try that also.
-- 
        Gunter Steinbach                   gunter_steinbach@agilent.com

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: msk315 vs. ckermit 7 question
Date: 4 Jan 2000 18:09:42 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <38722A81.C2949098@labs.agilent.com>,
Gunter Steinbach  <steinbac@labs.agilent.com> wrote:
: ...
: under Linux I downloaded the very latest CKermit 7 from columbia.edu, and it
: does not work right.  The difference is, as near as I can tell, that the old
: version jumps into the full-screen progress display as soon as I type
: "server" or "receive" into it, whereas the new one waits a long time, and
: goes to full screen only after a timeout.  By that time the calculator has
: also timed out of trying and gives me an error.  But when I then try the
: transfer again (either direction, initiated from the calculator), it works. 
: So I assume the calculator with its surely minimal Kermit implementation
: does not know how to put the remote Kermit into the transfer mode, but all
: is well if it's aleeady in that mode.
: 
: So here is my question:  What can I do in my setup to make CKermit 7 behave
: like teh old version 3, jumping to the transfer screen as soon as I locally
: tell it "send", "receive", or "server"?
: 
First off I'd recommend you visit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/hp48.html

and read all the hints and tips there.

If none of that helps, contact us by email to kermit-support@columbia.edu
and we'll figure out what's wrong by looking at logs, etc.

: P.S.:  I just downloaded GKermit and will try that also.
:
G-Kermit is not a communications program -- you can't open a port with it.
It's only for use on the "far end" of the connection, but that's where
the calculator is.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
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Date: 4 Jan 00 10:39:27 MDT
Organization: Utah State University
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <cRgc4.2429$S3.130329@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>, cangel@famvid.com writes:
> On 2000-01-01 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu(FrankdaCruz) said:
> 
> 
> fd>: ...  Most unfortunately, `Kermit' doesn't included the
> fd>: `ZMoDem' file transfer protocol (with control-character escaping
> fd>& all); : making it less than "complete", somewhat.  I would
> fd>welcome postings from : people who happen to be doing fine
> fd>`ZMoDem'/`Kermit' transfers using no : more than the minimum setup
> fd>i described above.  I tried a lot of packet : drivers and ~TelNet~
> fd>"shims" but nothing goes beyond D/L cps rates of a : mere 9k6/19K2
> fd>bps connection. :
> 
> fd>Kermit protocol is is a fast as Zmodem if both Kermit partners
> fd>support a fairly decent implementation of it.  Most
> fd>non-Kermit-Project Kermit implementations do not.  Of course a 4.
> fd>77MHz CPU would also be a bottleneck but that's true for Zmodem too.
> 
> Zmodem is needed for two reasons.  1) Many BBS have crippled 'clones' of
> the kermit protocol hard coded to 94 bytes per packet.  As per your own
> website for Columbia Kermit the 'team' deciding to use 94 bytes as the
> default install for many years has given many the impression that kermit
> is _supposed_ to use 94 byte packets.  The 'WORD' is not getting out to
> authors of BBS software.  2) Many BBS simply do not have a kermit transfer
> and the owners are not knowledgeable enough to implement the C-Kermit config
> files for an external kermit transfer (I know, I've tried and they just can't
> do it). 8(
> 
> If MSKermit would allow access to it's TCP/IP stack via the 'int 14h' fossil
> interface then zmodem could be added to MSKermit as an external protocol. 8)

	That is a far more complicated problem than you may realize and one
which is not desirable to solve that way.
	If the BBS folks want to sell to customers using a better Kermit
protocol implementation then they can either improve their code themselves
(the specs have always been public) or they can contract someone like myself
to improve their code. 
	Joe D.

> Charles.Angelich
> 

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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
From: cangel@famvid.com
Message-ID: <7Uzc4.5217$S3.230092@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>
Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 04:37:23 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


fd>: *ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT*, lately;  since the latest `Win 9x' version
fd>already : integrates the `ZMoDem' file transfer protocol, euh...
fd>would you happen : to be aware of any project related to the
fd>development of a future MS-DOS : `Kermit' version that will
fd>integrate the `ZMoDem' protocol as well?  :^) :

fd>No.  In Windows we do not have a 640K address-space limit.  Anyway,
fd>this is the *Kermit* Project.

Ah but when W95 enters the picture it's the Kermit/Zmodem Project? 8)

fd>: Finally, there's this "TOO
fd>: MANY ACTIVE TAKE FILES AND MACROS" thing;  i think i must be
fd>terminating : macros incorrectly but i fail to see how.  %-)  A
fd>hint, anybody?...  8*) :

fd>You can't expect a tiny program in a restricted memory space to be
fd>able to do big things.

OS9, QNX, and others operate in 64k of memory and do do 'big' things.

Is there no way to free the memory for additional 'take' commands to be
used or does it just load up one time and thats it?

Charles.Angelich


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
Date: 5 Jan 2000 14:31:09 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <7Uzc4.5217$S3.230092@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>,
 <cangel@famvid.com> wrote:
: ...
: Is there no way to free the memory for additional 'take' commands to be
: used or does it just load up one time and thats it?
: 
In the end, work is done by those who want to do it, and are able to.
The source code is published.  If you want to make enhancements to MS-DOS
Kermit, feel free to do so and send your changes back to us and we will
consider them for the next release.

The Kermit Project must pay for itself, so the people who work in the Kermit
Project full time are constrained to devote themselves mainly to projects
that will appeal a broad audience and therefore will generate some revenue.
Those who have other interests, however, often contribute some very
interesting and useful items, which you can find in our archive.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <7Uzc4.5217$S3.230092@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>, cangel@famvid.com writes:
> fd>: *ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT*, lately;  since the latest `Win 9x' version
> fd>already : integrates the `ZMoDem' file transfer protocol, euh...
> fd>would you happen : to be aware of any project related to the
> fd>development of a future MS-DOS : `Kermit' version that will
> fd>integrate the `ZMoDem' protocol as well?  :^) :
> 
> fd>No.  In Windows we do not have a 640K address-space limit.  Anyway,
> fd>this is the *Kermit* Project.
> 
> Ah but when W95 enters the picture it's the Kermit/Zmodem Project? 8)
> 
> fd>: Finally, there's this "TOO
> fd>: MANY ACTIVE TAKE FILES AND MACROS" thing;  i think i must be
> fd>terminating : macros incorrectly but i fail to see how.  %-)  A
> fd>hint, anybody?...  8*) :

	So simplify, and try not loading everything at once. Use SET
TAKE DEBUG ON to see what happens as Take files are loaded, though
the screen may zoom too quickly. And the take files will use conventional
memory to be stored unless your system has extended memory available
(which 808x machines do not provide).
	Added bonus: Did MSK crash? Nope. Did it die otherwise? Nope.
Did it keep on going? Yup. That's not an accident.
 
> fd>You can't expect a tiny program in a restricted memory space to be
> fd>able to do big things.
> 
> OS9, QNX, and others operate in 64k of memory and do do 'big' things.

	Beg to differ. 64KB buys little room to do "big" things.
	Joe D.
 
> Is there no way to free the memory for additional 'take' commands to be
> used or does it just load up one time and thats it?
> 
> Charles.Angelich


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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Kermit 95 1.1.18 - Looking for testers
Date: 5 Jan 2000 22:45:12 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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With the release this week of C-Kermit 7.0 after an almost three year
effort the Kermit Project is proud to announce that is about to 
release a patch for Kermit 95 that brings it up to date with 
C-Kermit 7.0.

This patch will provide:

. The client side functionality to interact with the Internet 
  Kermit Service

. All of the improvements to C-Kermit 7.0 scripting

. All of the improvements to Kermit file transfer

. Support for the latest MIT Kerberos distribution for Windows 9x,
  NT, and Windows 2000

. Support for the latest Secure Remote Password distribution (1.5.0)
  from Tom Wu at Stanford.

. Support for the IETF's Telnet START_TLS protocol.  Kermit 95 can
  now be used with OpenSSL to establish secure connections for 
  Telnet and HTTP using client and host X.509 certificates.

. Support for HTTP commands such as GET, PUT, POST, HEAD, ... to
  allow scripting of HTTP based file transfers

. A new Telnet protocol engine which is allows connection policies
  to be assigned to each telnet negotiation.

. Unicode file transfers and UTF-8 character set support for 
  terminal emulations.

. New modems, character-sets, commands, ....

. Support for the Microsoft VTNT terminal type and NTLM authentication
  method for use with the Microsoft Windows 2000 Telnet Service.  Unlike
  the Microsoft provided Telnet client, Kermit 95 may be used on 
  Windows 95/98 or NT to communicate with the Windows 2000 Telnet Service.

. Enhancements to TVI, Wyse, SNI-97801, QNX, and other terminal
  emulations.

. Printer support now incorporates built in Text to Postscript translation
  so K95 may be used with Postscript printers on Windows

. Support for the Pragma Systems Telnetd that allows Kermit 95 to transfer
  files through the telnet connection in the same way that C-Kermit does
  on Unix

. Support for encrypted Rlogin connections

and much much more.  Depending on the timing of the Internet Assigned
Numbers Authority there may even be a feature which will automatically
protect X Windows session data much the same way that SSH does.

Warning: this is not the much delayed GUI release.  That will follow in
a very short time now that C-Kermit 7.0 is complete and released. 
However, the C-Kermit 7.0 development cycle has prevented us from
releasing the incremental updates that we were shipping to Kermit 95
users every three to four months.  It has now been 18 months since the
last release and we know there are lots of users waiting on various
bug fixes, new features, and compatibility with updated software.  
So we feel that we must get this functionality out to you as soon as
possible.

Registered users who would like to help us test the 1.1.18 release
before we ship it should send e-mail to Kermit Support

  mailto:kermit-support@columbia.edu

with a subject line of "K95 BETA TESTER".  Please provide the following 
information in the body of the e-mail:

  K95 Serial Number:
  Operating System and Version:
  A brief description of how you use Kermit 95:
  Have you applied the K95 Crypto patch:

Note: you must have the release version of K95 1.1.17 installed on
your machine to take part in this test.  1.1.18 will be shipped only
in patch form.  User's who have received interim test builds to correct
problems with have to restore the original K95 executables in order
to take part in this test; and to install the final 1.1.18 upgrades.

All efforts will be made to ship the initial GUI version of K95 in
a short period of time after the release of 1.1.18.  It is our hope
that the 1.1.18 testing period will be extremely short.  1.1.18 is 
built on top of 1.1.17 and C-Kermit 7.0.  

Thanks and Happy New Year!!!

Jeffrey Altman

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
From: cangel@famvid.com
Message-ID: <xDZc4.7632$S3.363493@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>
Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 09:54:37 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


On 2000-01-04 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu(FrankdaCruz) said:

FD>Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
FD>In article <cRgc4.2429$S3.130329@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>,
FD><cangel@famvid.com> wrote:

FD> :  ...  :  Zmodem  is  needed  for  two reasons. 1) Many BBS have crippled
FD> 'clones'  of  :  the kermit protocol hard coded to 94 bytes per packet. As
FD> per  your  own : website for Columbia Kermit the 'team' deciding to use 94
FD> bytes  as  the  :  default  install  for  many  years  has  given many the
FD> impression  that kermit : is _supposed_ to use 94 byte packets. The 'WORD'
FD> is not getting out to : authors of BBS software. : 

FD> It's  not  for  lack  of trying. See, for example, the article on BBS's in
FD> Kermit News #6: 

FD> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html#bbs 

Yes,  and  when Gunter tells you he is still using 'robust' on a null cable at
94  bytes  you  did  not bother to inform him that 94 byte packets are nowhere
_near_ optimum for his setup???? 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: Gunter Steinbach <steinbac@labs.agilent.com>
Subject: msk315 vs. ckermit 7 question

The Linux Kermit gets set up by ~/.kermrc
	robust
	set line /dev/cua1
	set speed 9600
	set file type bin
	set modem carr off
	set rec pack 94
	set send pack 94
	set window 5
	set control-character prefixed all

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'm only one person and no one is willing to just take my word for it. 

I  seldom see this 94 byte packet mistake mentioned here or anywhere else even
when  a  user  _tells_  you  he  is _still_ using 94 byte packets! How is this
"trying"? 

FD> :  2)  Many  BBS simply do not have a kermit transfer : and the owners are
FD> not  knowledgeable  enough to implement the C-Kermit config : files for an
FD> external  kermit  transfer  (I  know,  I've tried and they just can't : do
FD> it). 8( 

FD> If you need help, just ask. 

I  did  ask  for  some  members of the 'team' to become more pro-active and at
least  drop  an  email to the _authors_ of BBS software informing them that it
is  OK  to  go  to  2500  bytes or so rather than the 94 bytes they believe is
mandatory  for  kermit. An email from the Columbia team might convince them. A
message from C.Angelich means ZIP. 8( 

>
>        ,                          ,
>      o/      Charles.Angelich      \o       ,
>     <|        @AngelFire.com        |>  __o/
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From: arthur marsh <marsh@ties.itu.int>
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:23:01 +0100
Organization: International Telecommunication Union (ITU)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.10001061418300.19801-100000@ties.itu.ch>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I think that Gunter was trying to move files between a Linux machine and
an HP 48 calculator, which has a quite limited kermit implentation. I'm
sure that Frank and Joe were suggesting the best setup for communicating
with an HP 48 calculator.

On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 cangel@famvid.com wrote:

> Yes,  and  when Gunter tells you he is still using 'robust' on a null cable at
> 94  bytes  you  did  not bother to inform him that 94 byte packets are nowhere
> _near_ optimum for his setup???? 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> From: Gunter Steinbach <steinbac@labs.agilent.com>
> Subject: msk315 vs. ckermit 7 question
> 
> The Linux Kermit gets set up by ~/.kermrc
> 	robust
> 	set line /dev/cua1
> 	set speed 9600
> 	set file type bin
> 	set modem carr off
> 	set rec pack 94
> 	set send pack 94
> 	set window 5
> 	set control-character prefixed all
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> I'm only one person and no one is willing to just take my word for it. 
> 
> I  seldom see this 94 byte packet mistake mentioned here or anywhere else even
> when  a  user  _tells_  you  he  is _still_ using 94 byte packets! How is this
> "trying"? 
> 
> FD> :  2)  Many  BBS simply do not have a kermit transfer : and the owners are
> FD> not  knowledgeable  enough to implement the C-Kermit config : files for an
> FD> external  kermit  transfer  (I  know,  I've tried and they just can't : do
> FD> it). 8( 
> 
> FD> If you need help, just ask. 
> 
> I  did  ask  for  some  members of the 'team' to become more pro-active and at
> least  drop  an  email to the _authors_ of BBS software informing them that it
> is  OK  to  go  to  2500  bytes or so rather than the 94 bytes they believe is
> mandatory  for  kermit. An email from the Columbia team might convince them. A
> message from C.Angelich means ZIP. 8( 
> 
> >
> >        ,                          ,
> >      o/      Charles.Angelich      \o       ,
> >     <|        @AngelFire.com        |>  __o/
> >     / >          USA, MI           < \   __\__
> 
> 
> 


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From: thebluesbrothers@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:55:13 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.
Message-ID: <852oe9$88e$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <010400011923not-2-disclose@the.net>,
  not-2-disclose@the.net wrote:
> As for what's supposed to be a "restricted memory space", i've looked
at
> a number of possible solutions and memory requirements depend on the
DOS
> pilot ~PPP~ software (it may vary by almost 100 Kb, from the best to
the
> worst case)...  Amongst some others, i've noticed the driver files
which
> are found inside the Caldera `DR-WebSpyder' ShareWare archive, the
Klos

A little off topic, but I was hoping someone could tell me where to
find this "Caldera `DR-WebSpyder' ShareWare archive"??

Thanks!

Jake


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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
Date: 7 Jan 2000 06:18:32 GMT
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In article <V5fd4.1478$%K1.90543@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>,
 <cangel@famvid.com> wrote:
: 
: 
: FD> The  Kermit  Project  must pay for itself, so the people who
: FD> work  in  the  Kermit  Project  full time are constrained to
: FD> devote  themselves  mainly  to  projects  that will appeal a
: FD> broad  audience  and  therefore  will generate some revenue.
: FD> Those  who  have  other interests, however, often contribute
: FD> some  very  interesting and useful items, which you can find
: FD> in our archive. 
: 
:     That explains the Zmodem in your W45 version huh? 

Yes it does.  But not the part that you think.  "Contribute" is 
the magic word.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
From: cangel@famvid.com
Message-ID: <V5fd4.1478$%K1.90543@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>
Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 05:47:34 GMT
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


On 2000-01-05 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu(FrankdaCruz) said:
FD> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
FD> In article <7Uzc4.5217$S3.230092@tw12.nn.bcandid.com> ,
FD> <cangel@famvid.com>  wrote:

FD> :  ...  :  Is there no way to free the memory for additional
FD> 'take'  commands  to  be  : used or does it just load up one
FD> time and thats it? 

FD> In  the  end,  work  is done by those who want to do it, and
FD> are  able  to.  The source code is published. If you want to
FD> make  enhancements  to MS-DOS Kermit, feel free to do so and
FD> send  your  changes back to us and we will consider them for
FD> the next release. 

    Is  there  a  'magic  name'  for the recent version of MSKermit?
    There are quite a few files there now to wade through. 

FD> The  Kermit  Project  must pay for itself, so the people who
FD> work  in  the  Kermit  Project  full time are constrained to
FD> devote  themselves  mainly  to  projects  that will appeal a
FD> broad  audience  and  therefore  will generate some revenue.
FD> Those  who  have  other interests, however, often contribute
FD> some  very  interesting and useful items, which you can find
FD> in our archive. 

    That explains the Zmodem in your W45 version huh? 

    Right  now  I'm  fighting an aging compiler but I'll take a look
    at it. 8) 

>
>        ,                          ,
>      o/      Charles.Angelich      \o       ,
>     <|        @AngelFire.com        |>  __o/
>     / >          USA, MI           < \   __\__


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
Date: 7 Jan 2000 15:02:31 GMT
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In article <V5fd4.1478$%K1.90543@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>,
 <cangel@famvid.com> wrote:
:     Is  there  a  'magic  name'  for the recent version of MSKermit?
:     There are quite a few files there now to wade through. 
: 
Do you have a Web browser?  Our website organizes the chaos sufficiently
for most people to find what they are looking for, I hope:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

- Frank

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From: Stones@mindless.REMOVE.com
Subject: Kermit 314 - 315 date {bug}
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 15:57:41 GMT
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu



Hi,

Has anyone noticed problems regarding date changes whilst running these 2 versions of
kermit for DOS?

Briefly:

PC running MSDOS 6.22 and Kermit 3.15 patch0. 

When the PC is left running kermit, in server mode on a 
Friday (say Friday 25th June), on Monday morning, the PC thinks it's 
Saturday (in this case Saturday 26th June). The PC time is correct 
however. So it has "ticked over" only once.

If an identical PC is left on running kermit 3.14 in server mode, it will report
Monday 28th June  - ie correct.

Any ideas?




-Rob
stones at mindless.com
(return address anti-spammed)


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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
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Date: 7 Jan 00 10:54:57 MDT
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <V5fd4.1478$%K1.90543@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>, cangel@famvid.com writes:
> On 2000-01-05 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu(FrankdaCruz) said:
> FD> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
> FD> In article <7Uzc4.5217$S3.230092@tw12.nn.bcandid.com> ,
> FD> <cangel@famvid.com>  wrote:
> 
> FD> :  ...  :  Is there no way to free the memory for additional
> FD> 'take'  commands  to  be  : used or does it just load up one
> FD> time and thats it? 

	Take command files are literally Kermit commands, one after
the other. The file is not stored in Kermit, the lines are read and
processed one at a time. Macros and variables result in storage,
however, and there are limits on their quantity. Storage for values
of them are taken from DOS free memory. An MS-DOS Kermit command
line works in a buffer and hence has physical limits (1000 bytes
in round numbers).
	Joe D.

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On 2000-01-06 xDZc4.7632$S3.363493@tw12.nn.bcandid.com said:

NN> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc

NN> I think that Gunter was trying to move files between a Linux
NN> machine and an HP 48 calculator, which has a quite limited kermit
NN> implentation. I'm sure that Frank and Joe were suggesting the best
NN> setup for communicating with an HP 48 calculator.

Last I knew a calculator could handle binary 10xs the speed of a computer.
I don't use the HP but I doubt the 94 byte packet size that is KILLING
the Kermit transfer is appropriate.

>
>        ,                          ,
>      o/      Charles.Angelich      \o       ,
>     <|        @AngelFire.com        |>  __o/
>     / >          USA, MI           < \   __\__


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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
Date: 7 Jan 2000 20:26:31 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <Ktrd4.2181$%K1.141172@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>,
 <cangel@famvid.com> wrote:
: 
: On 2000-01-06 xDZc4.7632$S3.363493@tw12.nn.bcandid.com said:
: 
: NN> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
: 
: NN> I think that Gunter was trying to move files between a Linux
: NN> machine and an HP 48 calculator, which has a quite limited kermit
: NN> implentation. I'm sure that Frank and Joe were suggesting the best
: NN> setup for communicating with an HP 48 calculator.
: 
: Last I knew a calculator could handle binary 10xs the speed of a computer.
: I don't use the HP but I doubt the 94 byte packet size that is KILLING
: the Kermit transfer is appropriate.

The limitation is the I/O interface to the calculator and the poor
implementation of Kermit that is built into the calculator.

Please read http://www.kermit-project.org/hp48.html for further 
information.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
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Date: 7 Jan 00 13:43:36 MDT
Organization: Utah State University
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <Ktrd4.2181$%K1.141172@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>, cangel@famvid.com writes:
> On 2000-01-06 xDZc4.7632$S3.363493@tw12.nn.bcandid.com said:
> 
> NN> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
> 
> NN> I think that Gunter was trying to move files between a Linux
> NN> machine and an HP 48 calculator, which has a quite limited kermit
> NN> implentation. I'm sure that Frank and Joe were suggesting the best
> NN> setup for communicating with an HP 48 calculator.
> 
> Last I knew a calculator could handle binary 10xs the speed of a computer.
> I don't use the HP but I doubt the 94 byte packet size that is KILLING
> the Kermit transfer is appropriate.
--------
	HP calculators are popular. Some have Kermit protocol within, and
it is used by happy customers. We like happy customers. We also provide
plenty of knobs for folks to spiff up their file transfers as they wish;
we do not do that for them, there being far too many "thems" and personal
settings of knobs. Flexibility implies making choices, and some folks are
bothered by that process.
	Joe D.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: C-Kermit 7.0 Case Study #01 - Cleaning Out Beta-Test Binaries
Date: 7 Jan 2000 23:53:58 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


As time permits, we're going to try to show off some of C-Kermit 7.0's
new features in a series of case studies posted here.  If you'd like
to post your own stories, feel free -- that's what this newsgroup is
for!  Ditto if you'd like to suggest a topic to be presented.

Today's case study shows how C-Kermit 7.0 can be used to clean up after
itself.  As those of you who have been following our neverending saga
know, the C-Kermit 7.0 release was preceded by a long series of Alpha
and Beta tests, in each of which we tried to make binaries available for
as many platforms as possible.  For example, the Solaris 2.5.1 Intel
test binary names look like:

  cku193a03.solaris25-i386-2.5.1  <-- Edit 193 Alpha Test 03
  cku195b07.solaris25-i386-2.5.1  <-- Edit 195 Beta  Test 07
  cku196b11.solaris25-i386-2.5.1  <-- Edit 196 Beta  Test 11

And then the final release binary for this platform is called:

  cku196.solaris25-i386-2.5.1

Within a few days after release, we had about 170 final binaries (keep
'em coming!), and hundreds more test ones, each binary consuming about
a megabyte of disk space.  Before long, our server disk was running out
of space.

Problem: Given about 600 C-Kermit binaries, how to remove test binaries
for builds that have a final release, but preserve test binaries for
the other platforms that we don't yet have final builds for?

Here's how to do it with a Kermit script (the lines are tagged by letters
that are not part of the script):

  a. #!/usr/local/bin/kermit +
  b. cd /pub/ftp/kermit/bin/
  c. space
  d. .\%n := \ffiles(ck?196[-.]*,&a)
  e. for \%i 1 \%n 1 {
  f.     .\%f := \&a[\%i]
  g.     echo \%f...
  h.     .\%g := \freplace(\%f,196,19[3-6][ab][0-9][0-9]*)
  i.     .\%m := \ffiles(\%g,&b)
  j.     if ( > \%m 0 ) {
  k.         echo { MATCHES: \%g: \%n}
  l.         for \%j 1 \%m 1 {
  m.             ; echo {   \flpad(\%j,2). \&b[\%j]}
  n.             delete /verb \&b[\%j]
  o.         }
  p.     }
  q. }
  r. space
  s. exit

Here's a line-by-line explanation:

 a. This line is used in UNIX to make the script directly executable
    from the shell prompt, just like a shell script.  For details,
    see the ckermit2.txt file, Section 7.19.

 b. We set our current directory to the Kermit binaries directory.

 c. The SPACE command tells how much disk space is used and free.

 d. This line shows a bunch of new stuff.  ".\%n := " is a new
    way of assigning values to variables, explained in ckermit2.txt
    Section 7.9.  It means the same as "assign \%n ".  There are
    several other forms too, each for a different purpose.  The value
    in this case is whatever is returned by the call to the built-in
    function \ffiles(), namely the number of files that matches the
    given pattern.  This function has been with us for years, but 
    there are two new things to notice in the argument list.  First,
    the pattern supports [xy] notation for characters in a set, and
    second, the new second argument specifies an array to be loaded
    with the names of all matching files, in this case all the
    C-Kermit 7.0 final release binaries ("ck" followed by any single
    character ('?') followed by "196" followed by either a hypen "-"
    or a period ".", followed by other stuff "*").

 e. Now we loop through the \%n filenames in the \&a[] array.

 f. For ease of notation, we assign the current array element to \%f.

 g. Print the current filename.

 h. Now we construct a pattern to match all test versions of the same
    build.  We do this by replacing the '6' of "196" in the original
    filename by a pattern that matches '3', '4', '5', or '6' followed
    by 'a' (for Alpha) or 'b' (Beta), followed by two digits.  For
    complete details on Kermit's new pattern-matching syntax, see
    Section 4.9 of ckermit2.txt.

 i. We set the variable \%m equal to the number of files that matches
    this pattern, i.e. the number of test binaries we can delete for
    this build.

 j. If \%m is greater than 0 we have some test binaries to delete.
    Note the enclosing parentheses; these are optional (in this case)
    but in more complicated situations they can be used for grouping
    and precedence, e.g. in compound Boolean expressions used as IF
    and WHILE conditions.  Also note the use of IF rather than XIF --
    the distinction is no longer necessary.  See section 7.20 about
    new IF syntax and Boolean expressions.

 k. We print the pattern and the number of matches.

 l. And we loop through the files whose names matched the pattern.

 m. This statemet was used instead of DELETE while debugging but then
    was commented out for the real run (you can also use DELETE /SIMULATE
    for this purpose).

 n. We delete the old test binary "verbosely", i.e. with a message.
    Lines o-q are the closing brackets on the various loops and if's.

 r. We find out how much space we freed (a lot!).

 s. An EXIT command is included; otherwise Kermit issues its prompt
    and waits for more commands.  Kerbang scripts are typically
    terminated by EXIT.

Note that the arrays created by the \ffiles() function did not need to
be declared; they were created dynamically.  The array-loading functions
are explained in Section 4.11 and 7.10 of ckermit2.txt.

We run this script simply by typing its name.  No need to start Kermit
first; in fact, we never even *see* Kermit.

This is a rather simple script.  In fact it could have done more; for
example, removing ALL extraneous files, such as older test binaries for
which newer test binaries exist, but not a final release binary.  Tasks
like this are illustrated in some of the file management scripts in the
C-Kermit script library:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Case Study #2: Kerbang Scripts
Date: 8 Jan 2000 20:56:09 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


Today's topic is Kerbang scripts.  This discussion is oriented mainly to
UNIX users, and was alluded to in yesterday's posting.  Here is a fuller
explanation.

A nice feature of UNIX is the ability to run shell scripts just if they
were compiled binary programs or built-in shell commands, just by typing
their names and, optionally, including command-line arguments.  For
example, suppose that as a common task you need to move some files to the
/usr/local/etc/ directory; your shell script might look like this:

  for i in $*; do
      echo $i =\> /usr/local/etc/$i
      mv $i /usr/local/etc/$i
  done

If you saved this script as a file called (say) "move" in a directory
that is in your PATH, and gave it execute permission:

  chmod +x move

then you could type commands such as:

  move foo.bar
  move *.log
  move file1 file2 file3 ...

at the shell prompt, and the script would move all the files whose names
were given on the command line (wildcards are automatically expanded by
the shell into a list of matching files).

The shell gives us various mechanisms to refer to command-line arguments
within a script: $* is replaced by all the arguments, $# is replaced by
the number of arguments, $1 is replaced by the first argument, $2 by the
second, and so forth.  There is also a "shift" command that can be used
(e.g.) to access arguments beyond $9.

Now suppose you need some features in your script that were only available
in a particular shell, which might not be the default shell.  Most UNIXes
let you include a "special comment" as the first line of a script, which
starts with the characters "#!" and then gives the full pathname of the
shell which is to execute the script, e.g.:

  #!/bin/ksh

This is sometimes called the "shebang" line ("she" for shell and "bang" is
Unix slang for the exclamation mark).  It is not indented; the shebang
line must be on the left margin (indentation is used here to set examples
off from text).

Happily, this convention can be applied to any program at all, Perl for
example, so Perl scripts generally have execute permission and a first
line like:

  #!/usr/local/bin/perl

This lets us run Perl scripts just as if they were shell scripts or, for
that matter, precompiled programs or built-in shell commands.

C-Kermit 7.0 extends this idea to Kermit scripts.  In this case the
shebang-line contains the full path of the Kermit program, followed by
a space and then a plus (+) sign:

  #!/usr/local/bin/kermit +

and the last line in the script is usually EXIT, to make C-Kermit exit
when the script is finished (the plus sign means "treat command-line
arguments as arguments for the script, not arguments for Kermit").  We
call these Kerbang scripts.

Here is a simple Kerbang script that prints its arguments:

  #/usr/local/bin/kermit +
  echo Hello from \%0
  for \%i 0 \v(argc)-1 1 {
      echo \%i. "\&_[\%i]"
  }
  exit 0

In Kermit the number of command line arguments (including the name of
the script itself) is in the \v(argc) variable.  The "argument vector"
is a special array, \&_[], having \v(argc) elements, 0 through \v(argc)-1.
The loop above prints each argument.

Save this file as (say) "showargs", then give it execute permission and
run it:

  $ chmod +x showargs
  $ ./showargs one "this is two" three

The script displays its arguments:

  Hello from /usr/olga/showargs
  0. "/usr/olga/showargs"
  1. "one"
  2. "this is two"
  3. "three"

Notice that shell quoting rules, not Kermit ones, apply to the command-
line arguments since you are, indeed, typing this command to the shell,
which parses the arguments and passes them along to Kermit.

Kermit scripts give you the same ways to access the command line arguments
as shell scripts do, but with different syntax:

  Shell   Kermit        Description
   $#      \v(argc)-1     The number of command-line arguments
   $*      \%*            A string containing all the command-line arguments
   $0      \%0            The name of the script
   $1      \%1            The first command-line argument
   $2      \%2            The second command-line argument
   $3      \%3            The third command-line argument
   ...     ...            ...
   $9      \%9            The ninth command-line argument
   shift   shift          Shift the command-line arguments
   (???)  \&_[]           The entire command-line argument vector,
                          even if there are more than 10 elements.
   $?      \v(status)     Completion status of previous command.

Of course you can put any commands at all into a Kerbang script.  It can
read and write files, make connections, transfer files, anything that
Kermit can do -- because it *is* Kermit.  And of course, Kerbang scripts
can also be executed from the Kermit prompt (or from another script) with
a TAKE command; the Kerbang line is ignored since it starts with "#",
which is a comment introducer to Kermit just as it is to the UNIX shell.
In VMS and other non-UNIX platforms, the Kerbang line has no effect.

An especially handy use for Kerbang scripts is to have the C-Kermit
initialization file itself be one.  Since the standard initialization file
is rather long and time-consuming to execute (setting up your services
directory, etc), it is often overkill if you want to start Kermit just to
transfer a file.  Of course there is a command-line switche to suppress
initialization-file execution but another approach is to "run" the
initialization file when you want its features (notably the services
directory), and run C-Kermit directly when you don't.  A setup like this
requires that (a) the C-Kermit initialization file is configured as a
Kerbang script (has #!/path../kermit as first line), has execute
permission, and is in your PATH; and (b) that you don't have a .kermrc
file in your login directory.

Almost all of this is new to C-Kermit 7.0, and there are lots more
wrinkles to it.  Of course Kerbang scripts can be used in VMS and other
non-Unix platforms, but the methods for invoking them are different.  For
details, see the ckermit2.txt file, Sections 7.5 and 7.19.  To see lots of
sample Kerbang scripts, many of them quite practical, visit the C-Kermit
Script Library at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html

- Frank

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From: Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net>
Subject: Re: Case Study #2: Kerbang Scripts
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 14:16:19 -0800
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Frank da Cruz wrote:
> 
> Today's topic is Kerbang scripts.  This discussion is oriented mainly to
> UNIX users, and was alluded to in yesterday's posting.  Here is a fuller
> explanation.
<big snip>

Frank,

Is there any plan to collect these case study posts and make them
available on the Kermit website?

I think this would be useful.

Or perhaps you've already started to do this and I just missed where
they are.

/Mark

-- 
Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Case Study #2: Kerbang Scripts
Date: 8 Jan 2000 22:34:07 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <3877B733.56654AB1@value.net>,
Mark Sapiro  <msapiro@value.net> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz wrote:
: > Today's topic is Kerbang scripts.  This discussion is oriented mainly to
: > UNIX users, and was alluded to in yesterday's posting.  Here is a fuller
: > explanation.
: <big snip>
: 
: Is there any plan to collect these case study posts and make them
: available on the Kermit website?
: 
See the updated C-Kermit web page (as of 30 seconds ago):

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html

It now contains an index to the case studies (all both of them so far);
the index will be updated as new ones are posted.

And if you'd like contribute some yourself, be my guest!

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Case Study #03: Autodownload
Date: 9 Jan 2000 15:32:17 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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Today we're showcasing C-Kermit's "autodownload" feature.  Kermit 95
and MS-DOS Kermit have this feature too.  If you use Kermit as a terminal
emulator (or in C-Kermit's case, to make terminal connections) AND for
file transfer, autodownload makes file transfer ridiculously easy.

First, recall the contortions needed when you don't have this feature: you
have to tell Kermit on the host to send (or receive), then "escape back" to
your terminal emulator, tell it to receive (or send), wait for the transfer
to complete, and then tell your terminal emulator to resume terminal
emulation.  Four steps, not counting the waiting.  With autodownload,
there's just one step.

To illustrate, let's say you have a Linux PC on your desk, and you use
C-Kermit 7.0 there to place a call (or make a Telnet connection) to a VMS
host, which also has C-Kermit.  You log in, read your mail, etc, and then
when you want to send (download) a file, say "oofa.txt", from VMS to Linux,
you just tell VMS C-Kermit to send it; assuming VMS C-Kermit is installed
correctly, you simply type:

  kermit -s oofa.txt

at the DCL prompt.  Ditto if this were UNIX instead of VMS, except in
UNIX it's the "shell prompt".  Ditto for AOS/VS, except there it's the "CLI
prompt", and so on.  (Of course you could also start C-Kermit and type
"send oofa.txt" at the C-Kermit> prompt, and then exit when done, but who
needs the extra steps?)

Now, after a second or two (or more -- we'll discuss the delay below),
Kermit on the host sends its first file-transfer packet, and C-Kermit on
your desktop PC recognizes it and instantly switches from terminal mode to
file-transfer mode, in which it puts up a running progress display, in most
cases complete with thermometer and other info.  When the transfer is
complete, C-Kermit automatically goes back to its terminal screen.

That's it; that's autodownload.  Try it!  Notice that, after making the
initial connection, you never had to interact directly with your desktop
Kermit again.  Even when (eventually) you log out from the host, your
desktop Kermit pops back to its prompt automatically when the connection
closes.  Thus, you control everything from within the terminal screen by the
commands that you give to the host.  All that confusing "escaping back" and
"reconnecting" is no longer needed.

What about uploading?  It works exactly the same way, except in this case
you have to tell the host Kermit to GET a file, rather than to SEND one. 
Suppose you have just saved a web page from your Web browser on your PC
(as, say, "oofa.html") and you want to upload it to the host.  Just give the
following command at the DCL (shell, CLI, ...) prompt on your host:

  kermit -g oofa.html

(Or equivalently, start C-Kermit on the host, tell it to "get oofa.html",
and then exit when done.)

When your desktop Kermit sees the first packet, it automatically pops back
to file-transfer mode and awaits further instructions from the host Kermit,
which then sends the name of the file it wants; your desktop Kermit sends
the file and then returns to the terminal screen automatically when done.

Now let's talk about the delay.  If it takes a little while for the transfer
to start, it's because (a) the host Kermit is processing its initialization
file; (b) it has its DELAY parameter set to some annoying number of seconds,
like 5 or 10 or 20; or (c) both.  The DELAY parameter is there for the
benefit of terminal emulators that don't have the autodownload feature.  It
gives the user time to manually put the emulator into the appropriate
file-transfer mode.  But we don't need a delay if we are autodownloading.
The way to get rid of it is to include:

  set delay 0

in the host Kermit's initialization or customization file, or to include
the equivalent "-D 0" command-line option:

  kermit -D 0 -g oofa.html

Now let's consider the host Kermit's initialization file.  The standard
C-Kermit initialization file is rather big -- it defines all sorts of macros
and services that you won't need in this situation.  However, it also
"chains" to your customization file, where you might well have set some
performance-enhancing parameters to override Kermit's (former) conservative
default settings.

But C-Kermit 7.0, unlike its predecessors, uses fast settings by default
because computers and connections are much faster and more reliable now
than they were when the Kermit protocol was first designed.  So C-Kermit on
the host doesn't need to execute its initialization file -- or your
customization file -- at all, unless you are actually making a connection
FROM the host to somewhere else.

There are two ways to start host Kermit without executing its initialization
file.  First, you can change the name of the standard initialization file so
C-Kermit won't find it automatically (and then explicitly execute it any
time you actually need it), and second you can give the -Y (uppercase)
command-line option, which tells C-Kermit to skip its initialization file:

  kermit -YD 0 -g oofa.html

If the host is VMS, you have to enclose uppercase command-line items in
doublequotes:

  kermit "-YD" 0 -g oofa.html

Since the -Y option does not take an argument, it can be "bundled" before
the -D option.  But it need not be; the following is OK too:

  kermit -Y -D 0 -g oofa.html

Finally, if the remote host is UNIX, you might consider using G-Kermit there
instead of C-Kermit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/gkermit.html

It's perfect for use with a Kermit autodownload-capable terminal emulator on
your desktop -- in fact, that's what it's designed for.  G-Kermit is small,
its delay is 1 second, and it has no initialization file to slow it down:

  gkermit -s oofa.txt
  gkermit -r oofa.html

In most cases, G-Kermit goes just as fast as C-Kermit.

Still reading?  OK...  Are there any situations where autodownload is a 
BAD thing?  Indeed there are.  First, consider a multihop connection in
which both your desktop computer and the intermediate one are capable of
autodownloads.  When the remote(st) Kermit sends its first packet, BOTH
Kermits see it at the same time, both automatically enter file-transfer
mode, and both reply to it.  This can't work.  C-Kermit 7.0 solves this
problem by filtering out "autodetected" packets and not passing them down
the line, but earlier versions don't do this.

A second scenario in which autodownload is inappropriate is when you are
using your terminal emulator to look at a C-Kermit packet log on the host.
(Try it some time :-)

In such situations, you can disable autodownload in C-Kermit with the
command:

  SET TERMINAL AUTODOWNLOAD OFF

You would also do this on a multihop connection when you want the
intermediate C-Kermit to be the transparent one, and autodownloads to go
through it to your desktop.  There is, by the way, a (new) C-Kermit
command-line option that tells it to be 100% transparent, intended for
exactly this situation: "C-Kermit in the Middle":

  kermit -0

(that's hyphen followed by digit 0).  This sets TERMINAL AUTODOWNLOAD OFF,
disables the escape character, APC, and everything else.

Still there?  Perhaps you're wondering if autodownload works with external
protocols like Zmodem?  In a word, yes.  If you have a Zmodem program that
works with C-Kermit as an external protocol, then C-Kermit will indeed start
it up automatically when you initiate a Zmodem download from the host.
AutoUPloads, however, are not possible with Zmodem.  External protocols are
described in detail in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", Chapter 14.

- Frank

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From: creider@julian.uwo.ca (c.a. creider)
Subject: Rejecting file: date/time
Date: 10 Jan 2000 17:48:26 GMT
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Canada
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Trying to send a file from C-Kermit 5A (189), 30 June 93, Solarix 2.X to
MS-Kermit 3.14, 21 May 95, patch level 9 message is: Rejecting file: date/
time.  Both the Sun and the MSDOS machine show Jan 10, 2000.  I've SET
FILE COLLISION OVERWRITE, but this doesn't help.  Can anyone explain,
suggest a fix?

Thanks,

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Subject: Re: Rejecting file: date/time
Date: 10 Jan 2000 18:04:24 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <85d61a$k45$1@panther.uwo.ca>,
c.a. creider <creider@julian.uwo.ca> wrote:
: Trying to send a file from C-Kermit 5A (189), 30 June 93, Solarix 2.X to
: MS-Kermit 3.14, 21 May 95, patch level 9 message is: Rejecting file: date/
: time.  Both the Sun and the MSDOS machine show Jan 10, 2000.  I've SET
: FILE COLLISION OVERWRITE, but this doesn't help.  Can anyone explain,
: suggest a fix?
: 
As noted on our web site:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

In particular at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/year2000.html

The first Y2K-ready version of C-Kermit is 6.0 (1996); 7.0 is now
current:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html

The first Y2K-ready version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.15:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html

Of course you can also work around the problem by telling either one or
both Kermits to "set attribute date off".

- Frank

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From: Charlie Sears <charlie@matsch.com>
Subject: Question on ckermit 7 redirect in background
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:22:47 -0500
Organization: Msen, Inc.
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

I would like to use kermit to read ascii text from a serial port and
dump the text into a file (or pipe it to another command).  I need to
run the entire process in the background so it can start automatically
when an unattended system boots.  

I considered using the connect command and piping the output, but this
doesn't work in the background:
# nohup kermit -l /dev/ttyS0 -b 9600 -B -C "c" > file 2>&1 &
[1] 1131
# 
[1]+  Stopped (tty output)    nohup kermit -l /dev/ttyS0 -b 9600 -B -C
"c" >file 2>&1

The redirect command also works fine when running kermit interactively,
but when running in the background no data is written to the file.  Any
thoughts would be appreciated.

This is using C-Kermit 7.0.196 Beta.11, 6 Dec 1999, for Linux (RedHat).

TIA
Charlie

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Question on ckermit 7 redirect in background
Date: 11 Jan 2000 01:15:54 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <387A77D7.52E5B806@matsch.com>,
Charlie Sears  <charlie@matsch.com> wrote:
: I would like to use kermit to read ascii text from a serial port and
: dump the text into a file (or pipe it to another command).  I need to
: run the entire process in the background so it can start automatically
: when an unattended system boots.  
: 
: I considered using the connect command and piping the output, but this
: doesn't work in the background:
: # nohup kermit -l /dev/ttyS0 -b 9600 -B -C "c" > file 2>&1 &
: [1] 1131
: # 
: [1]+  Stopped (tty output)    nohup kermit -l /dev/ttyS0 -b 9600 -B -C
: "c" >file 2>&1
: 
: The redirect command also works fine when running kermit interactively,
: but when running in the background no data is written to the file.  Any
: thoughts would be appreciated.
: 
: This is using C-Kermit 7.0.196 Beta.11, 6 Dec 1999, for Linux (RedHat).
: 
First grab the final 7.0 release:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html

Then code your application as a kerbang script:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html#studies

Don't enter CONNECT mode.  Use LOG SESSION for recording and then INPUT to
wait for (a) the desired amount of time, (b) a string that should terminate
logging, or (c) forever.  To log forever, use INPUT -1 XXXXX, where "XXXXX"
is a string that will never come.

- Frank


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Case Study #4: Automatic text/binary mode switching
Date: 11 Jan 2000 02:03:46 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <85e322$k0k$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


Today's topic is automatic text/binary file-transfer mode selection.

The manual goes into some detail about just what "text" and "binary"
mean, and what the consequences might be for choosing the wrong mode.
This discussion assumes you know all that.

One of the hallmarks of C-Kermit 7.0 is that it tries to do the right
thing for most people automatically whenever possible, by default, rather
than making everybody cope with myriad settings to accomplish what they
want.  It's not exactly artificial intelligence, more like layer upon
layer of tricks and ruses based on years of experience.

A common source of aggravation to users of any file-transfer software
(FTP, Zmodem, or Kermit) is when find you have transferred a file in the
wrong mode -- text when it should have been binary, or vice-versa.  The
fact is that on most platforms, application software has no good way of
telling the difference between a "text file" and a "binary file" on its
own.  That's why file-transfer programs have commands that make you do it.

Back in the old days, Kermit's rules were simple, modeled on those of FTP:
all files were transferred in text mode by default.  If you wanted want to
transfer files in binary mode, you had to give a command, SET FILE TYPE
BINARY.  From this point, all files would be transferred in binary mode
until you gave another SET FILE TYPE command to change the mode back to
TEXT.

In C-Kermit 7.0, the rules have changed, and in fact have become quite
complicated.  But since now it is all supposed to "just work", most people
will never need to know what they are.  A couple of new advances make this
possible:

 1. Kermit protocol now includes a provision for "automatic peer
    recognition".  If Kermit A is on Linux and Kermit B is on Solaris,
    they say "we are both on UNIX so we are alike" (modern versions of
    FTP do this too).  In this case, they automatically transfer
    everything in binary mode except when character-set translation has
    been requested.  When the two Kermits are not alike (e.g. some
    pairing of Unix, VMS, Windows, OS/2, OS-9, VM/CMS, etc), or if one
    of the Kermit partners fails to identify itself, then the
    text/binary file distinction is important.

 2. When the two Kermits do not have an "all-binary" connection (e.g.
    Unix-to-Unix without character-set translation), the file sender can
    switch automatically between text and binary mode on a per-file
    basis based on each filename.  The sender informs the receiver of
    transfer mode of each file (this works with all but the most
    primitive Kermit implementations).

The upshot is, if you send files from C-Kermit 7.0 to C-Kermit 5A or later
(on Unix, VMS, or other platform), to Kermit 95 (any version) or MS-DOS
Kermit 3.00 or later, the right stuff should happen.

When the two platforms are alike, all files are transferred in binary mode
unless you go out of your way to force text.  When the text/binary
distinction is significant, C-Kermit picks the mode for each file by
comparing its name with lists of text and binary filename patterns.  If a
filename doesn't match any of the patterns, then the file is sent in the
prevailing (SET FILE TYPE) mode, which, by new default, is BINARY.

Default lists are built in that catch the well-known types; you can see
them by typing SHOW PATTERNS.  Here's an example for UNIX:

 File binary-patterns:
  *.gz *.Z *.tgz *.gif *.tar *.zip *.o *.so *.a *.out *.exe *.jpg
  *.jpeg *.tif *.tiff *.pdf *.so.* *.class *.rpm *.bmp *.bz2 *.BMP
  *.dll *.doc *.vxd *.pdf *.xl* *.lzh *.lhz [wk]ermit

 File text-patterns:
  *.txt *.c *.h *.r *.w *.cpp *.ksc *.bwr *.upd *.html *.htm *.mss
  *.tex *.nr [Mm]akefile *.hex *.hqx *.for *.f77 *.f *.F *.s *.pas
  *.java *.el *.lisp *.sh *.perl *.awk *.sno *.spt *.sed *.TXT
  *read.me *READ.ME .* */.*

Of course you can change the lists by adding, removing, or replacing
patterns.

The utility of this feature becomes apparent when you want to transfer a
mixed group of files.  For example, suppose you want to propogate a
directory that contains a mixture of C source files, binaries, and ZIP or
compressed tar archives to a variety of platforms.  Now, for the first
time, "send *" does it right.

This is just an introduction.  For complete details on this topic, read
ckermit.txt Section 4.3, plus Section 4.9 about pattern syntax.

- Frank

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From: Anders Faltros <Anders.Faltros@lu.erisoft.se>
Subject: Question on lockfiles...
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:40:18 +0100
Organization: Ericsson Erisoft AB
Message-ID: <387AFA82.9797A1CE@lu.erisoft.se>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


Hi!

We are using kermit in a lab, and it sometimes happens that someone
terminates kermit in some erroneous way and the lockfile in
/var/spool/locks remains after the program terminated.

We have no root access on the machines, so we can't just remove the
lockfiles.

Is there a way to tell kermit that other users should be able to remove
lockfiles, or is this perhaps a unix-question? Solaris 2.6 is used, ang
changing umask has no effect...

Hope someone can answer my stupid question =)

Thanks!
//Anders

qplanfa@lu.erisoft.se

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Question on lockfiles...
Date: 11 Jan 2000 14:54:37 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <85fg7d$o01$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <387AFA82.9797A1CE@lu.erisoft.se>,
Anders Faltros  <Anders.Faltros@lu.erisoft.se> wrote:
: We are using kermit in a lab, and it sometimes happens that someone
: terminates kermit in some erroneous way and the lockfile in
: /var/spool/locks remains after the program terminated.
: 
: We have no root access on the machines, so we can't just remove the
: lockfiles.
: 
: Is there a way to tell kermit that other users should be able to remove
: lockfiles, or is this perhaps a unix-question? Solaris 2.6 is used, ang
: changing umask has no effect...
: 
The Unix idea of using "lockfiles" to arbitrate access to serial
devices is just plain stupid.

Having said that :-) ...  Any program that deals with lockfiles should know
how to handle stale ones.  Kermit does.  Just start Kermit again, give it
a "set line" command for the same device, and it will remove the stale
lockfile and create a new one.  Then exit from Kermit and it will remove
the lockfile it just created.

cu, uucp, and all the others should behave exactly the same way.

See Appendix III of the manual and Sections 10 and 11 of the ckuins.txt
file for lots of details on this topic.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: FTP over C-kermit
Date: 11 Jan 2000 22:18:36 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Message-ID: <85ga7s$gc4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <387BA8C9.40F54E02@seanet.com>,
Peter Burkholder  <peter@geophys.washington.edu> wrote:
: Can I use C-kermit to pick up files from an 
: FTP server?  I'd like to use C-kermit to 
: access a set of seismic data loggers.  When 
: I connect to the loggers using telnet protocol,
: I can specify the data I want, and I'm supplied
: with a filename that I can pick up over ftp.
: 
: Clearly, I'd like to automate all this using
: kermit - making the request, getting the filename
: and picking up the file using ftp.  But it's the
: last step that confuses me.
:
And well it might!

Although FTP uses a Telnet connection for its
control channel, it uses a separate connection for
data.  So, unfortunately, you can't script a session
with an FTP server in Kermit.

Built-in FTP support is an oft-requested feature and,
like many others, it's on our list.

- Frank

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From: Peter Burkholder <pburkholder@seanet.com>
Subject: FTP over C-kermit
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:03:53 -0800
Organization: University of Washington
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

Can I use C-kermit to pick up files from an 
FTP server?  I'd like to use C-kermit to 
access a set of seismic data loggers.  When 
I connect to the loggers using telnet protocol,
I can specify the data I want, and I'm supplied
with a filename that I can pick up over ftp.

Clearly, I'd like to automate all this using
kermit - making the request, getting the filename
and picking up the file using ftp.  But it's the
last step that confuses me.  Any hints out there?

Thanks,

Peter
-- 
_____________________________________________________________________
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Case Study #5: Directory Recursion
Date: 11 Jan 2000 22:11:47 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu


Today let's look at another new C-Kermit feature: directory recursion.

What's recursion?  "In order to understand recursion, first you must
understand recursion."  (That's the joke that CS professors always use to
introduce their lecture on recursion.)  As far as directories are concerned
it's the familiar idea of thinking of some particular directory as the root
of a tree, and then having a way to refer to (visit, list, send, ...) all
the files in all the directories within the tree.  For example, as we do in
DOS with "DIR /S", in Unix with "ls -R", or in VMS with "dir [...]".

Now C-Kermit can do this too.  To see directory recursion in action, start
C-Kermit 7.0, CD to a directory that has some subdirectories (which in turn
might have their own subdirectories, etc), and give it the following command:

  directory /recursive

This, by the way, illustrates not only directory recursion, but also
C-Kermit's new built-in DIRECTORY command, and the idea of "switches", or
command modifiers.  In this case "/recursive" is a switch.  The DIRECTORY
command has lots of other switches too; type "dir ?" to see what they are,
and "help dir" for a short description.  As with any C-Kermit command, you
can abbreviate keywords (and switches are a kind of keyword) to any length
that distinguishes them from any other keyword that can appear in the same
position (and you can always get a list with "?"); for example:

  C-Kermit>dir /r? File specification;
   or switch, one of the following:
   /recursive  /reverse
  C-Kermit>dir /rec

Try "dir /rec" from different directories to see how it works.  The key idea
of recursion is that it repeats itself indefinitely until it runs out of
things to do; in this case, until it runs out of subdirectories to visit.

The most important application for directory recursion in Kermit is file
transfer.  C-Kermit's three main file-transfer commands -- SEND, GET, and
RECEIVE -- each now include a /RECURSIVE option (switch), among many others.
When you include it, you can send or receive entire directory trees, rather
than just one or more files from a single directory.

Some of you might be wondering: "What's the big deal?  I could already do
that by making a Tar or Zip or Backup (etc) archive and transferring it."
True, but in general this only works between compatible platforms, and
Kermit always likes to handle the general case and promote and embrace
diversity :-)

When moving text files between different platforms, it is usually necessary
to convert their record format and/or character set.  Zip (but not Tar or
Backup) can take care of record-format conversion if you tell it to, but
there is usually no good way to mix text-files-to-be-converted and
binary-files-NOT-to-be converted within an archive.  No known archiving or
file-transfer method besides Kermit handles character-set conversion, but
this is important to anybody who writes in any language besides English (or
Dutch or Latin) and needs to move files between platforms that use different
character sets, such as Windows and Unix.

In yesterday's posting we saw how C-Kermit can go through a group of files
and automatically switch between text and binary mode for each file.  You
can test this feature without transferring any files with the command:

  directory /xfermode [ filespec ]

This adds a notation "(T)" or "(B)" to each file whose name matches a Text
or Binary pattern, and therefore will be sent in the corresponding mode; the
rest are sent in the prevailing mode, which is binary unless you changed it.
Now when you give a SEND /RECURSIVE command, C-Kermit sends each file,
switching between text and binary mode automatically.  When it encounters a
directory, it enters the directory and sends files from it; when sending
files from a lower directory, the pathname (relative to the original
directory) is included in the name that is sent to the other Kermit; the
process repeats for all directories in the tree.  The other Kermit uses the
path information to replicate the original directory tree.  This works if
each of the two Kermits is C-Kermit 7.0, Kermit 95 1.1.17 or later, or
MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 (currently in Beta test), and it works between any
combination of Unix, DOS, Windows, OS/2, or VMS.  File dates are preserved
and, except in DOS-like file systems, so are file permissions (within
reason).  I think this is a first.

By the way, just because you include the /RECURSIVE switch on a
file-transfer command doesn't mean Kermit has to transfer ALL the files in
the directory tree.  Of course you can give a filename or wildcard (or
list of them) to select certain files, and there are also lots of new
file-selection criteria available on each end; files can be selected by
date, size, etc, and checked against exception lists.  For a quick idea
of what's possible, here's a list of the new SEND switches:

 C-Kermit>send ? Filename, or switch, one of the following:
  /after:         /except:        /nodotfiles     /recursive
  /array:         /filter:        /not-after:     /rename-to:
  /as-name:       /filenames:     /not-before:    /smaller-than:
  /before:        /larger-than:   /pathnames:     /starting-at:
  /binary         /listfile:      /print:         /subject:
  /command        /mail:          /protocol:      /text
  /delete         /move-to:       /quiet
  /dotfiles       /nobackup       /recover
 C-Kermit>

You can combine all this with the SET FILE COLLISION feature at the receiver
to achieve all sorts of effects.  Perhaps the most useful in this regard is
SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE.  This lets you run the same transfer periodically
(say, every day, week, hour, whatever) and transfer only those files in an
entire directory tree that changed since last time; thus synchronizing two
directory trees, even if they are on incompatible file systems, even if they
contain a mixture of text and binary files, even if the text character sets
are different.

Well, this was a bit long, but even so it only scratches the surface.
For more on this topic, see:

  ckermit2.txt Section 1.5 on command switches
  ckermit2.txt Section 4.5.1 on the new DIRECTORY command
  ckermit2.txt Section 4.7 on file-transfer command switches
  ckermit2.txt Section 4.9 on the new wildcard syntax
  ckermit2.txt Section 4.11 on directory tree transfer

- Frank

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Subject: Re: FTP over C-kermit
Date: 11 Jan 2000 22:53:01 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <85ga7s$gc4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <387BA8C9.40F54E02@seanet.com>,
: Peter Burkholder  <peter@geophys.washington.edu> wrote:
: : Can I use C-kermit to pick up files from an 
: : FTP server?  I'd like to use C-kermit to 
: : access a set of seismic data loggers.  When 
: : I connect to the loggers using telnet protocol,
: : I can specify the data I want, and I'm supplied
: : with a filename that I can pick up over ftp.
: : 
: : Clearly, I'd like to automate all this using
: : kermit - making the request, getting the filename
: : and picking up the file using ftp.  But it's the
: : last step that confuses me.
: :
: And well it might!
: 
: Although FTP uses a Telnet connection for its
: control channel, it uses a separate connection for
: data.  So, unfortunately, you can't script a session
: with an FTP server in Kermit.
: 
: Built-in FTP support is an oft-requested feature and,
: like many others, it's on our list.

Actually until we have built in FTP support you can use C-Kermit 7.0
with its scripting and PTY support to handle the job on most Unix 
platforms.

First, automate the Telnet connection using 

  SET NETWORK TYPE TCP/IP
  SET HOST <host> telnet

followed by INPUT and OUTPUT commands to retrieve the name of the 
file to be retrieved.  Once you have the filename you can close the
telnet connection and use the new PTY support to control FTP.

  CLOSE CONNECTION
  SET NETWORK TYPE PTY
  SET HOST ftp <host>

The ftp application has now been started under the control of Kermit's
script language.  You now use Kermit's INPUT and OUTPUT commands to
script the session

  INPUT 5 ftp>
  IF FAILURE END Could not start FTP
  OUTPUT open <host>\10
  INPUT 5 Name
  OUTPUT anonymous\10
  INPUT 5 Password
  OUTPUT yourname@host\10
  INPUT 5 ftp>
  OUTPUT get \v(myfile)\10
  INPUT 5 226 Transfer complete
  OUTPUT quit\10
  CLOSE CONNECTION

This code is not complete and does not perform all of the error checking
that should be performed but it will give you the general idea.  PTY
support is provided on all of the major modern Unix distributions
include Linux, AIX, Solaris, SunOS, HPUX, ...



    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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From: JODY@lib.haifa.ac.il
Subject: Arabic support in Kermit
Date: 12 Jan 2000 11:33:44 GMT
Organization: University of Haifa Library
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Hello,

I am trying to find out about support for Arabic in Kermit, in particular the
version for Windows 95/98. 

Currently, we display Arabic records from our bibliographic catalog on
terminals capable of displaying a special font. But we are gradually phasing
out our terminals, replacing them with PCs, and there the font won't work.
There is a terminal-emulation program, Reflection, that supports Arabic well
enough, but the cost for the number of stations we'd need to install it on 
is prohibitive. So, the idea came up of checking out Kermit.

The website at Columbia implies that Arabic is not yet supported (it's on the
wish-list), but I wondered whether there have has been any work done, by the
Kermit staff or outside collaborators.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: Arabic support in Kermit
Date: 12 Jan 2000 14:50:43 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <85hoqo$ouc$1@techftp.technion.ac.il>,
 <JODY@lib.haifa.ac.il> wrote:
: Hello,
: 
: I am trying to find out about support for Arabic in Kermit, in particular the
: version for Windows 95/98. 

There is currently no support for Arabic in Kermit 95.

: Currently, we display Arabic records from our bibliographic catalog on
: terminals capable of displaying a special font. But we are gradually phasing
: out our terminals, replacing them with PCs, and there the font won't work.
: There is a terminal-emulation program, Reflection, that supports Arabic well
: enough, but the cost for the number of stations we'd need to install it on 
: is prohibitive. So, the idea came up of checking out Kermit.
: 
: The website at Columbia implies that Arabic is not yet supported (it's on the
: wish-list), but I wondered whether there have has been any work done, by the
: Kermit staff or outside collaborators.

In order to support Arabic two things must happen:

 . we must complete the GUI version (which has taken us much longer
   than we could ever have expected.)

 . the internal virtual display model must be modified to support
   arbitrary double width characters.

 . someone is going to have to pay for the development of the
   Arabic portion of the Unicode font to be used

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Arabic support in Kermit
Date: 12 Jan 2000 15:21:23 GMT
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In article <85i4c3$les$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: In article <85hoqo$ouc$1@techftp.technion.ac.il>,
:  <JODY@lib.haifa.ac.il> wrote:
: : 
: : I am trying to find out about support for Arabic in Kermit, in
: : particular the version for Windows 95/98.
: 
: There is currently no support for Arabic in Kermit 95.
:
Except, of course, to the extent that Kermit 95 supports Unicode.

: : Currently, we display Arabic records from our bibliographic catalog on
: : terminals capable of displaying a special font. But we are gradually
: : phasing out our terminals, replacing them with PCs, and there the font
: : won't work.  There is a terminal-emulation program, Reflection, that
: : supports Arabic well enough, but the cost for the number of stations
: : we'd need to install it on is prohibitive. So, the idea came up of
: : checking out Kermit.
: : 
: : The website at Columbia implies that Arabic is not yet supported (it's
: : on the wish-list), but I wondered whether there have has been any work
: : done, by the Kermit staff or outside collaborators.
: 
: In order to support Arabic two things must happen:
: 
:  . we must complete the GUI version (which has taken us much longer
:    than we could ever have expected.)
: 
:  . the internal virtual display model must be modified to support
:    arbitrary double width characters.
: 
:  . someone is going to have to pay for the development of the
:    Arabic portion of the Unicode font to be used
: 
Arabic support can come in different levels.  Proper Arabic support that
would be acceptable to people who read and write Arabic does indeed require
all sorts of complex context-sensitive shaping and rendering (and therefore
a GUI screen), and possibly also implementation of bidirectional writing
algorithms by the terminal.  As Jeff says, this is no trivial undertaking,
and one for which we, on our own, lack the needed expertise.  And as Jeff
says, there is the matter of the font.  There is still, as far as we know,
no monospaced Unicode font suitable for terminal emulation that includes the
glyphs needed for Arabic -- let alone Armenian, Hebrew, Georgian, or for
that matter full VT100 graphics.  (Let alone Chinese, Japanese, and Korean!)

At the opposite extreme is "character-cell Arabic", similar to how Hebrew,
or for that matter, Greek, Russian, or English are handled by a terminal.
In this case the host character set would be something like ISO 8859-6 and
the local one would be something like PC Code Page 864 or 1008, and writing
direction is handled by the host application.  This we could do in short
order, but of course the font would still be an issue.  The only reason we
haven't done this so far is that nobody has ever indicated they would be
satisfied with it (and many have indicated they wouldn't).

Somewhere in the middle is a duospaced character-cell approach, in which
each Arabic character occupies either one or two cells on the terminal
screen, and there is some agreement between terminal and host about how
how this is done.  Something like this will probably also be needed for
Chinese, Japanese, and Korean.

As you can see, it's a complicated question -- or at least a complicated
answer!

- Frank

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 05:57:21 GMT
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On 2000-01-07 jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu(JeffreyAltman) said:

JA>The limitation is the I/O interface to the calculator and the poor
JA>implementation of Kermit that is built into the calculator.

JA>Please read http://www.kermit-project.org/hp48.html for further
JA>information.

I am interested now and will read the article - thanks.

Charles.Angelich


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On 2000-01-07 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu(FrankdaCruz) said:

FD> Is  there  a  'magic  name'  for the recent version of
FD> MSKermit?  There are quite a few files there now to wade
FD> through.

FD> Do you have a Web browser?  Our website organizes the chaos
FD> sufficiently for most people to find what they are looking for, I
FD> hope.

I generally use LYNX as my browser, yes I have one.

I was referring to the source code for MSKermit.  Is that also listed on
the website?

I found two files that I assume are source for v315.  One with the extension
`UUE' which I understand and another with `BOO' which I do _not_ understand.
What is a `BOO' file?

Are there archives of the v316 there or no?

Charles.Angelich

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On 1900-01-07 jrd@cc.usu.edu(JoeDoupnik) said:

JD>> Last I knew a calculator could handle binary 10xs the speed of a
JD>>computer.  I don't use the HP but I doubt the 94 byte packet size
JD>>that is KILLING  the Kermit transfer is appropriate.

JD>HP calculators are popular. Some have Kermit protocol within, and
JD>it is used by happy customers. We like happy customers. We also
JD>provide plenty of knobs for folks to spiff up their file transfers
JD>as they wish; we do not do that for them, there being far too many
JD>"thems" and personal settings of knobs. Flexibility implies making
JD>choices, and some folks are bothered by that process.

What I'm getting from the above is "Yes the HP can do better than 94 byte
packets" _but_ "if they don't ask we don't force it on 'em".  Right?

Charles.Angelich


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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
Date: 13 Jan 2000 06:07:01 GMT
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In article <cPdf4.3607$KP.188008@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>,
: With such a rich macro language it would be `nice' to be able to reuse
: the available memory so that more complex macros could be written and
: used while online without an `exit / reload' being required.

There is and has been for years

  define foo echo hello

allocates memory

  define foo

undefines the macro and releases the memory.  The limitation is that you
can only have so many macros defined at a given time.  It is the 
responsibility of the script write to undefine those that s/he does not
need.

: While I have your attention:  I've been compiling and fiddling with the
: WATTCP package which claims to have a part of it's code inside MSKermit.

WATTCP and Kermit's TCP stack parted company many Moons ago.  They
are hardly compatible anymore.


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 05:57:28 GMT
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On 1900-01-07 jrd@cc.usu.edu(JoeDoupnik) said:

JD>> FD> Is there no way to free the memory for additional
JD>> FD> 'take'  commands  to  be used or does it just load up one
JD>> FD> time and thats it?

JD>Take command files are literally Kermit commands, one after
JD>the other. The file is not stored in Kermit, the lines are read and
JD>processed one at a time. Macros and variables result in storage,
JD>however, and there are limits on their quantity. Storage for values
JD>of them are taken from DOS free memory. An MS-DOS Kermit command
JD>line works in a buffer and hence has physical limits (1000 bytes
JD>in round numbers).

With such a rich macro language it would be `nice' to be able to reuse
the available memory so that more complex macros could be written and
used while online without an `exit / reload' being required.

While I have your attention:  I've been compiling and fiddling with the
WATTCP package which claims to have a part of it's code inside MSKermit.

MSKermit is many times more stable than the demo apps that come with the
WATTCP source (operation online is `intermittent' with send being exremely
poor and receive seems locked into something less than 9k6).  MSKermit
OTOH seems to move right along using the same packet driver and achieves
90% of theoretical max transfers on a regular basis.

Question: could you direct me to any particular part of the WATTCP based
code in the MSKermit source that would reveal how MSKermit seems to be
so much better than the `origninal'?

BTW: I know what the `UUE' extension is but what is the `BOO' extension
used on the v315 source code zip files?

Charles.Angelich


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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
Date: 13 Jan 2000 06:11:26 GMT
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In article <3Pdf4.3605$KP.188008@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>,
 <cangel@famvid.com> wrote:
: 
: On 1900-01-07 jrd@cc.usu.edu(JoeDoupnik) said:
: 
: JD>> Last I knew a calculator could handle binary 10xs the speed of a
: JD>>computer.  I don't use the HP but I doubt the 94 byte packet size
: JD>>that is KILLING  the Kermit transfer is appropriate.
: 
: JD>HP calculators are popular. Some have Kermit protocol within, and
: JD>it is used by happy customers. We like happy customers. We also
: JD>provide plenty of knobs for folks to spiff up their file transfers
: JD>as they wish; we do not do that for them, there being far too many
: JD>"thems" and personal settings of knobs. Flexibility implies making
: JD>choices, and some folks are bothered by that process.
: 
: What I'm getting from the above is "Yes the HP can do better than 94 byte
: packets" _but_ "if they don't ask we don't force it on 'em".  Right?

No.  Joe is saying that Kermit protocol has lots of features that may
be implemented in different ways providing different capabilities.
The HP calculators in particular having varying implementations each
which provide a different level of performance.  In most cases the
calculators are limited to 90 character packets and require an ACK
for each packet as it is sent because the flow control either is not
implemented at all or is done very poorly.  This has little to do with
the strengths or weaknesses of the Kermit protocol but on the design 
of the calculator.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
Date: 13 Jan 2000 15:14:17 GMT
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In article <fPdf4.3608$KP.188008@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>,
 <cangel@famvid.com> wrote:
: ...
: I was referring to the source code for MSKermit.  Is that also listed on
: the website?
: 
As noted in a previous posting, the source code for MS-DOS Kermit is:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/a/ms*.{c,h,asm}

: I found two files that I assume are source for v315.  One with the extension
: `UUE' which I understand and another with `BOO' which I do _not_ understand.
: What is a `BOO' file?
: 
UUE is for uuencded binaries.  BOO is for "boo" encoded binaries, an encoding
we made up a long time ago, which is now pretty much obsolete since since
uuencode and base64 are fairly universal.

- Frank

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In article <85i65j$muu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
I (Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>) wrote:
:... there is the matter of the font.  There is still, as far as we know,
: no monospaced Unicode font suitable for terminal emulation that includes the
: glyphs needed for Arabic -- let alone Armenian, Hebrew, Georgian, or for
: that matter full VT100 graphics.  (Let alone Chinese, Japanese, and Korean!)
: 
I should have looked again before I spoke.  Matters are improving after all.
Microsoft's Courier New supports Hebrew and Arabic after all.

For a survey of Unicode fonts, visit:

  http://www.hclrss.demon.co.uk/unicode/fonts.html

To see sample text in many languages in both proportional and fixed fonts,
visit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/utf8.html

No Arabic there yet, but only because nobody has sent us any.  (If you can,
we'd be happy to add it, and any other language too.)

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
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Date: 13 Jan 00 11:46:22 MDT
Organization: Utah State University
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <cPdf4.3607$KP.188008@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>, cangel@famvid.com writes:
> On 1900-01-07 jrd@cc.usu.edu(JoeDoupnik) said:
> 
> JD>> FD> Is there no way to free the memory for additional
> JD>> FD> 'take'  commands  to  be used or does it just load up one
> JD>> FD> time and thats it?
> 
> JD>Take command files are literally Kermit commands, one after
> JD>the other. The file is not stored in Kermit, the lines are read and
> JD>processed one at a time. Macros and variables result in storage,
> JD>however, and there are limits on their quantity. Storage for values
> JD>of them are taken from DOS free memory. An MS-DOS Kermit command
> JD>line works in a buffer and hence has physical limits (1000 bytes
> JD>in round numbers).
> 
> With such a rich macro language it would be `nice' to be able to reuse
> the available memory so that more complex macros could be written and
> used while online without an `exit / reload' being required.

	As Jeff noted, undefine a variable or macro by giving it an
empty definition.
 
> While I have your attention:  I've been compiling and fiddling with the
> WATTCP package which claims to have a part of it's code inside MSKermit.

	Wattcp and MSK are now very different animals for TCP/IP work.
That divergence started when Erick very generously offered his code to
the project. The gulf spread very quickly very widely. Today there is
little resemblence. The MSK TCP/IP stack is modern and robust, but it
is not a library or other exportable form. Its internal applications,
such as say the DHCP client, are also modern.
 
> MSKermit is many times more stable than the demo apps that come with the
> WATTCP source (operation online is `intermittent' with send being exremely
> poor and receive seems locked into something less than 9k6).  MSKermit
> OTOH seems to move right along using the same packet driver and achieves
> 90% of theoretical max transfers on a regular basis.

	The MSK code is designed to work solidly with Packet Drivers and
Novell's ODI drivers. It's not a series of approximations. It is robust
by design.
 
> Question: could you direct me to any particular part of the WATTCP based
> code in the MSKermit source that would reveal how MSKermit seems to be
> so much better than the `origninal'?

	Please see commments above.
	Joe D.

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From: "Steve Baus" <steve@baus-systems.com>
Subject: USB and internal modems
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 15:09:58 -0800
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I a trying to work with someone with a Win 98 PC that currently has a com1
and an internal modem that says it is on com2:.  In the control panel -
system, there is no listing for a com2:  Nobody can tell me for sure but the
internal modem sounds like a winmodem.  If I have them pull out the internal
modem and install another non-win, non-rpi modem will Kermit 3.15 work even
without a com2:?

Any recommendations for the modem to install?  If I tell them to get a non
win, non rpi they will ask which one.

Steve



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Case Study #6: Streaming
Date: 14 Jan 2000 00:50:40 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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One of the goals for C-Kermit 7.0 was to make Kermit file transfer
comparable in speed to FTP on TCP/IP connections.  Early experiments using
long packets and large window sizes gave excellent results when certain
platforms were involved.  But with other platforms, the results were
discouraging -- throughput was only about 10% of what we expected.

To make a rather long story short, this severe degredation in speed was
caused not by anything in Kermit itself, but rather by the underlying
TCP/IP stack when it implemented certain heuristics such as the Nagle
Algorithm and/or Delayed ACK.  These are triggered when the file receiver
sends a Kermit ACK (acknowledgement packet), which is quite short.  The
TCP stack hangs on to it for some amount of time -- say 200 milliseconds --
before letting it go, in hopes that by then it will have something more
to transmit.

But 200 milliseconds is a long time on a ten-million-bit-per-second
connection.  It's long enough to transmit 2,000,000 bits of data.  Once
the file sender is blocked waiting for a delayed Kermit ACK, which happens
as soon as its send window fills up, throughput takes a nosedive.

The only way around this problem is for the file receive NOT to send ACKs.
Then the file sender can "stream" the data continuously -- just like FTP
does.

But if the file receiver doesn't send ACKs, there can be no error
recovery.  Errors can be detected, but if any occur, they are fatal.  But
since it's a TCP/IP connection there are not going to be any non-fatal
errors, by the very definition of TCP.

So we introduced streaming in the latest round of Kermit releases:
C-Kermit 7.0, G-Kermit 1.00, Kermit 95 1.1.17, and MS-DOS Kermit 3.16
(still in Beta).  Streaming is used automatically when, both Kermit
programs know about it and the Kermit program that made the connection
tells the Kermit on the far end that the connection is reliable; the two
Kermits agree to stream.  And when they stream, transfers go fast.

Exactly how fast depends on how you made the connection.  If it's a Telnet
or Rlogin connection, it's going through several layers of overhead that
FTP doesn't have: the Telnet or Rlogin server -- and the pseudoterminal
and driver -- on the far end.  The amount of overhead depends on the
implementation.

On the other hand, if you have a direct socket-to-socket connection
between two Kermit programs, you should get about the same speed as FTP.
How do you get a direct socket-to-socket connection?  One way, which is
not terribly convenient, is described on page 127 of "Using C-Kermit" (the
"set host *" method).  But now there's a better way: the Internet Kermit
Service (IKSD).  We'll talk about that in a future installment, but in the
meantime you can visit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cuiksd.html

for an introduction.

Streaming can be used not only on TCP/IP connections, but any other
reliable transport, such as X.25.  But it is not -- and should not be --
used on serial connections; even if you are using error-correcting modems,
there is no guarantee of reliable transport between the modem and the
application -- for example, there can be flow-control failures.

For more about streaming, read Section 4.20 of the ckermit2.txt file.

- Frank

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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Subject: Re: USB and internal modems
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Date: 13 Jan 00 20:07:25 MDT
Organization: Utah State University
To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu

In article <s7smdr6boj8114@corp.supernews.com>, "Steve Baus" <steve@baus-systems.com> writes:
> I a trying to work with someone with a Win 98 PC that currently has a com1
> and an internal modem that says it is on com2:.  In the control panel -
> system, there is no listing for a com2:  Nobody can tell me for sure but the
> internal modem sounds like a winmodem.  If I have them pull out the internal
> modem and install another non-win, non-rpi modem will Kermit 3.15 work even
> without a com2:?
> 
> Any recommendations for the modem to install?  If I tell them to get a non
> win, non rpi they will ask which one.
> 
> Steve
---------
	MSK will work with real modems on COM1 and/or COM2. Ensure the system
Bios is configured correctly and there are no IRQ conflicts. If the Bios
does not show the serial port then MSK will likely not find it either because
something is wrong on the motherboard.
	Joe D.

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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
From: cangel@famvid.com
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On 2000-01-13 jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu(JeffreyAltman) said:

JA> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc

--8<--cut

JA> define foo

JA> undefines the macro and releases the memory.  The limitation is
JA> that you can only have so many macros defined at a given time.  It
JA> is the responsibility of the script write to undefine those that
JA> s/he does not need.

Good to know, that will work. 8)

JA> While I have your attention I've been compiling and fiddling
JA> with the WATTCP package which claims to have a part of it's code
JA> inside MSKermit.

JA> WATTCP and Kermit's TCP stack parted company many Moons ago.  They
JA> are hardly compatible anymore.

Did the author of WATTCP assist when the code _was_ used many moons ago or
was it a `maintainer' of the code?

>
>        ,                          ,
>      o/      Charles.Angelich      \o       ,
>     <|        @AngelFire.com        |>  __o/
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
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On 2000-01-13 jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu(JeffreyAltman) said:
 JA>Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
 JA>In article <cPdf4.3607$KP.188008@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>,
 JA>: With such a rich macro language it would be `nice' to be able to
 JA>reuse : the available memory so that more complex macros could be
 JA>written and : used while online without an `exit / reload' being
 JA>required.
 JA>There is and has been for years
 JA>define foo echo hello
 JA>allocates memory
 JA>define foo
 JA>undefines the macro and releases the memory.  The limitation is
 JA>that you can only have so many macros defined at a given time.  It
 JA>is the responsibility of the script write to undefine those that
 JA>s/he does not need.
 JA>: While I have your attention:  I've been compiling and fiddling
 JA>with the : WATTCP package which claims to have a part of it's code
 JA>inside MSKermit.
 JA>WATTCP and Kermit's TCP stack parted company many Moons ago.  They
 JA>are hardly compatible anymore.
 JA>Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
 JA>The Kermit Project * Columbia University
 JA>612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
 JA>http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html *
 JA>kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
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On 2000-01-13 jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu(JeffreyAltman) said:

JA>: On 1900-01-07 jrd@cc.usu.edu(JoeDoupnik) said:

--8<--cut

JA> What I'm getting from the above is "Yes the HP can do better than
JA> 94 byte packets" _but_ "if they don't ask we don't force it on
JA> 'em".  Right?

JA> No.  Joe is saying that Kermit protocol has lots of features that
JA> may be implemented in different ways providing different
JA> capabilities. The HP calculators in particular having varying
JA> implementations each which provide a different level of performance.
JA> In most cases the calculators are limited to 90 character packets
JA> and require an ACK for each packet as it is sent because the flow
JA> control either is not implemented at all or is done very poorly.

How does the number "9x" keep popping up?  A universal size that `fits all'?

JA> This has little to do with the strengths or weaknesses of the
JA> Kermit protocol but on the design of the calculator.

I did not make a reference to the entire kermit protocol, only to the
choice, or lack thereof, for the packet size.

>
>        ,                          ,
>      o/      Charles.Angelich      \o       ,
>     <|        @AngelFire.com        |>  __o/
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
Date: 14 Jan 2000 06:40:07 GMT
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In article <uuyf4.3235$0l4.86605@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>,
 <cangel@famvid.com> wrote:
: 
: How does the number "9x" keep popping up?  A universal size that `fits all'?

The original Kermit protocol implementation had a max packet length
of 94 bytes.  Unfortunately, this is all that most third party implementors
choose to support.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
From: cangel@famvid.com
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 07:19:31 GMT
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On 1900-01-13 jrd@cc.usu.edu(JoeDoupnik) said:

JD> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc

--8<--cut 

JD> > While  I  have your attention: I've been compiling and fiddling with the
JD> > WATTCP package which claims to have a part of it's code inside MSKermit.

JD> Wattcp  and  MSK  are  now  very  different  animals for TCP/IP work. That
JD> divergence  started  when  Erick  very  generously offered his code to the
JD> project.  The  gulf spread very quickly very widely. Today there is little
JD> resemblence.  The  MSK  TCP/IP stack is modern and robust, but it is not a
JD> library  or  other exportable form. Its internal applications, such as say
JD> the DHCP client, are also modern. 

More reasons to view the source code. 8) 

JD> > MSKermit  is  many  times  more stable than the demo apps that come with
JD> > the  WATTCP  source  (operation online is `intermittent' with send being
JD> > exremely  poor  and  receive seems locked into something less than 9k6).
JD> > MSKermit  OTOH  seems  to  move right along using the same packet driver
JD> > and achieves 90% of theoretical max transfers on a regular basis.

JD> The  MSK code is designed to work solidly with Packet Drivers and Novell's
JD> ODI drivers. It's not a series of approximations. It is robust by design. 

JD> > Question:  could  you  direct  me  to  any particular part of the WATTCP
JD> > based  code  in the MSKermit source that would reveal how MSKermit seems
JD> > to be so much better than the `original'? 

I  would  be  making  a  mistake  to  _not_  view the source code for MSKermit
considering all that you've said. 

The  problem  is  that  one v315 is in BOO which I have no way to decipher and
the other is a UUE of over a meg. 

Is  there a binary archive of this source code anywhere that I can download or
am I going to need a way to decode a 1meg+ UUE?  Why would the MSKermit source
code be in two ASCII formats when kermit itself has no problem doing binary
transfers nor do any other protocols I am of aware of since the '80s?

>
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>     <|        @AngelFire.com        |>  __o/
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
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On 1900-01-13 jrd@cc.usu.edu(JoeDoupnik) said:

JD> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc

--8<--cut 

JD> > While  I  have your attention: I've been compiling and fiddling with the
JD> > WATTCP package which claims to have a part of it's code inside MSKermit.

JD> Wattcp  and  MSK  are  now  very  different  animals for TCP/IP work. That
JD> divergence  started  when  Erick  very  generously offered his code to the
JD> project.  The  gulf spread very quickly very widely. Today there is little
JD> resemblence.  The  MSK  TCP/IP stack is modern and robust, but it is not a
JD> library  or  other exportable form. Its internal applications, such as say
JD> the DHCP client, are also modern. 

More reasons to view the source code. 8) 

JD> > MSKermit  is  many  times  more stable than the demo apps that come with
JD> > the  WATTCP  source  (operation online is `intermittent' with send being
JD> > exremely  poor  and  receive seems locked into something less than 9k6).
JD> > MSKermit  OTOH  seems  to  move right along using the same packet driver
JD> > and achieves 90% of theoretical max transfers on a regular basis.

JD> The  MSK code is designed to work solidly with Packet Drivers and Novell's
JD> ODI drivers. It's not a series of approximations. It is robust by design. 

JD> > Question:  could  you  direct  me  to  any particular part of the WATTCP
JD> > based  code  in the MSKermit source that would reveal how MSKermit seems
JD> > to be so much better than the `original'? 

I  would  be  making  a  mistake  to  _not_  view the source code for MSKermit
considering all that you've said. 

The  problem  is  that  one v315 is in BOO which I have no way to decipher and
the other is a UUE of over a meg. 

Is  there a binary archive of this source code anywhere that I can download or
am I going to need a way to decode a 1meg+ UUE?  Why would the MSKermit source
code be in two ASCII formats when kermit itself has no problem doing binary
transfers nor do any other protocols I am of aware of since the '80s?

>
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>      o/      Charles.Angelich      \o       ,
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit, more capabalities
Date: 14 Jan 2000 08:13:16 GMT
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In article <66Af4.3341$0l4.96678@tw12.nn.bcandid.com>,
 <cangel@famvid.com> wrote:

: Is  there a binary archive of this source code anywhere that I can download or
: am I going to need a way to decode a 1meg+ UUE?  Why would the MSKermit source
: code be in two ASCII formats when kermit itself has no problem doing binary
: transfers nor do any other protocols I am of aware of since the '80s?

>From the web page 
  
  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html

  "The source code for MS-DOS Kermit is in the

    ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/a/ 

  directory. The filenames all start with "ms" and end 
  with ".asm", ".h" and ".c"."


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

